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'Good People' Given Chance
In Giuliani Immigration Plan

In 2004 at the Republican National Convention, Giuliani addressed the crowd with Lady Liberty behind him. (Melina Mara/The Washington Post)

Does either Rudy Giuliani or Mitt Romney have a practical and immediate solution for dealing with the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States?

That question has been lost in the escalating debate between the two Republican presidential candidates this week over whether Giuliani was soft on illegal immigration as mayor of New York. Romney's attack on Giuliani reflects his campaign's emerging strategy after the former Massachusetts governor's victory in the Iowa straw poll last Saturday.

Romney's advisers have two goals. The first is to narrow the race as much as possible to a contest between Romney and Giuliani. The second is to cast Romney as the conservative and Giuliani as out of the GOP mainstream. They hope that will open up a path to the nomination by allowing Romney to seize the conservative mantle before voters have a chance to make a real judgment about the conservative bona fides of Fred Thompson, who won't enter the race officially before September.

Romney can't easily question Giuliani's support for abortion or gay rights because that brings back questions about his own conversions on those issues. Immigration, still a hot button among Republican primary and caucus voters, is his chosen issue.

All week, Romney has hammered his rival for policies Giuliani supported as mayor. Those policies that allowed children of illegal immigrants to go to school, receive medical care and report crimes without facing deportation. Giuliani is firing back with vows that he knows how to get control of the borders.

In reality, both candidates have views on immigration that are more complicated than the tone of the debate this week suggests.

Giuliani outlined his views about immigration during a recent campaign appearance in Boone, Iowa. The issue arose when Boone resident Maxine Redeker asked him what he would do about the illegal immigrants whose children, having been born in the United States, are citizens. She asked, will the parents of those children be allowed to remain in the United States?

Giuliani's answer, in its most simplistic form, was yes, if they're good people. If they're not, they will be sent home.

"Look at the ones who are productive, decent people," he said. "Give them a card, get them to pay taxes. Those people who have children who are here -- fine, no problem. The ones who are committing crimes, we have to throw out of the country. No matter whether they have children or not."

"I don't know how you're going to do that," Redeker told Giuliani.

"You can do that," he said. "You let them come forward. You let them come forward, you identify them, you figure out who they are. The ones who don't come forward, you find them and throw them out. But in order to do that you have to first have control over your borders."

Giuliani emphasizes border control whenever he is talking to audiences on the campaign trail, and argues that he could effectively close down the borders to illegal immigration in 18 months to three years.

I asked him after his exchange with Redeker about his broader views, particularly his willingness to allow many illegal immigrants to remain in the country and become citizens. That, I suggested, sounded very similar to the kind of comprehensive immigration package President Bush and John McCain pushed with no success earlier this year.

"I don't think comprehensive reform is politically possible right now," Giuliani replied. "I've come to the conclusion in studying this now for six months or eight months... It seems to me you first control the borders. Give everyone a little relief from the debate for awhile. Then we revisit in it a situation of more order, more confidence the border can be controlled. Then we have to say what's the best answer to deal with the people who are here."

Giuliani described himself as "very pro legal immigrant, very anti illegal immigrant, but I think I'm also practical about illegal immigration..."

His goal, he said, is a "practical, sensible solution" to the millions here illegally that is "humane and has us like other countries -- that doesn't have us doing anything excessive."

Assuming he could make good on his vow to get control of the borders within three years off becoming president, would he then follow up on his solution for dealing with those here illegally? "I would try to do it," he said.

The Giuliani plan could allow many millions of the illegal immigrants now in the country to stay and perhaps even become citizens. "Good people would be given a chance," he said. "They'd have to earn it, they'd have to pay penalties and back taxes, they'd have to be able to read, write and speak English before they could become citizens. Bad people, or not such good people, would be thrown out depending on how you decided that."

Romney, who has played the role of aggressor in the debate with Giuliani, takes a passive approach to the question of the 12 million illegal immigrants in the country. He believes they will eventually leave the country of their own volition. "I wouldn't round them up as one big group and try and bus them all home at once," he said.

Romney envisions that, as the federal government cracks down on employers who hire illegal immigrants, the word will spread and illegal immigrants will conclude they won't be able to get work and will begin to return to their native countries.

"Realistically they will attrite, they will return to their homes and they will be replaced over time with legal workers," Romney explained to reporters during a June campaign appearance in New Hampshire.

"The idea is a gradual and humane replacement of illegal workers with either U.S. citizens or legal immigrants. We don't want to put ourselves in a setting where we hurt our own economy."

But Romney's plan, even under an optimistic set of conditions, likely would take many years to work. In his approach, there would be no immediate effort to round up or try to deport illegal immigrants.

"This is not real hard," he said. "Simply enforcing the laws as they exist...will begin the process... I think we're going to see a significant increase in legal immigrants as we have illegal immigrants leave and that's a great thing."

The Romney-Giuliani debate this week obscures their views -- and their differences -- on what remains the most politically treacherous issue in the illegal immigration debate: what to do about those already here. Giuliani sounds closer to the president and McCain than Romney, but Romney begs the question of whether his "gradual and humane" approach is either practical or effective.

The president and others in the Republican Party have worried that a policy that aims simply at securing the border and deporting illegal immigrants would have long-term consequences for the GOP in its aspiration to attract more support from Hispanics. I asked Giuliani whether that concerned him.

"I can't tell you," he replied. "I don't know."

--Dan Balz

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Sorry but the latest study out of S. Carolina shows that yest, illegals are taking jobs from Americans.

Even the farm produce jobs. I was chatting with a lady on line who said all her sons and their friends during college picked in the fields until they were kicked out by lower paid illegals. You should note, even with the so called crisis in agriculature, they are not advertising for Americans. They want their cheap taxpayer subsidized illegal labor.

And everyone said that only illegals would work in the meat packing business. When Swift was raided, the next day there were a line of Americans for the jobs, and they are working there now. Same thing with Tyson.

The construction industry is the latest group to kick out Americans for lower paid taxpayer subsidized illegals. Americans asked for $20 per hour plus standard benefit and deductions etc. Illegals get paid $10 under the table so the employer has no additonal cost.

It is also moving into truck driving and warhehouse work. Again Americans are being replaced by cheaper illegal labor. U believe it is Colorado who has now passed a law that if an American loses his job he can sue his ex employer if the exployer is using illgal labor.

And it is not just employees that are ticked off. Law suits are starting by legal businesses who do not cheat with illegal labor who are suing those businesses who have lower costs because they do cheat. They are alleging unfair business competition.

No, illegal are not doing us any favors.

Posted by: Bettybb | August 19, 2007 6:55 PM | Report abuse







Posted by: Bettybb | August 19, 2007 6:43 PM | Report abuse

its so shame full anchor baby,how saying that,babys all angels.what kind of mind is that.out of control?

Posted by: zeynepkimil | August 18, 2007 9:57 PM | Report abuse

some illegal immigrants paying tax. some of them owner bussines.and home,some people came here 10 years and 15 years ago.they living in fear its not easy for them they earning familys future.some americans using them ,cheap labor re bulding homes 7 dolars hour its not right but homeowners very happy .they saying why ill paying 14 dolars a hour legall workers.illegal immigrants needs amnesty some of them if they have family and childrens.

Posted by: zeynepkimil | August 18, 2007 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Can we all say, "DEPORTATION"!!! Tom Tancredo, Rep. Congressman from Colorado, is running for President and has fought illegal immigration for NINE years! Check his Save America campaign at He'll build a three tier fence along the entire border, end automatic birthright citizenship for babies of illegals, make English our official language, end taxpayer benefits to illegals and DEPORT anyone who is here illegally who won't deport themselves!

Giuliani's law firm is legal counsel for the Spanish firm that's been granted the right to operate the toll road (NAFTA Superhighway). He declared N.Y.City a sanctuary city as governor! He's as close to the Dems as he can get.

Romney has flipped on so many issues, he doesn't know where he stands!

Why doesn't this article include Tom Tancredo's views on the illegal immigration issue? Is La Raza controlling this newspaper too???

Posted by: tancredosupporter | August 18, 2007 7:17 PM | Report abuse

>>>Giuliani actually HAS a plan, whereas Romney has nothing, as usual

Excuse me? Giuliani has served up amnesty. Romney has a plan that relies on economics and makes far, far more sense. If you go after the employers who hire illegals, enforce the law, and take away the profit in hiring them, the illegal problem will begin to take care of itself.

Romney has also put an emphasis on bringing skilled workers into our economy. We're already facing a pinch from the aging Boomer generation. We're solving nothing by bringing a bunch of illiterate immigrants with no desire to even learn our language.

The US's strength is its technological fortitude. So bring in engineers, not garden boys. And engineers who speak English. Romney is absolutely right in this regard.

As for illegals taking the jobs Americans don't want, that's nonsense. I picked and planted strawberries to pay for my summers as a college student. Who is going to fill these jobs? Why, the same people who always did before the illegal invasion. Though perhaps not for minimum wage. And perhaps not by receiving cash under the table and refusing to pay taxes.

Posted by: cheyennepress | August 17, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Vote for Guiliani and we will be fighting anmesty all over again.

Posted by: Texas11 | August 17, 2007 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Back in the 60's the Federal Government came into the public schools and brainwashed us as little children with the message that the children we were about to have were unwanted because the population was rising so fast. They launched a program called, "Zero Population Growth". They pushed Family Planning and birth control pills. I think you and I now both know that you only have to trick people for their few child bearing years and there is no going back.

Many of us never had a say in the future of our unborn.

I am the result of two living cells. One from each of my parents. They are the result of two living cells, one from each of their parents. I wasn't just born. I am a continuation of life. I am a living thing that reaches back into time perhaps 400 million years and the result of billions of joining of pairs of cells. It is possible that if you were to follow my cells back to my parent's cells and beyond that my family tree touches every living thing here on earth. That is if we limit ourselves to believing life was created here on earth. If it rained down from the immensity of the universe it could reach back into that immensity of time and space, and who knows what relationships and who knows what species.

At least until I came up against the Federal Government and their plan to control the population.

I have seen the Federal Government do little else to control the population.

The open border, United States laws only apply to some, is a serious slap in the face. No, not a slap in the face, it reaches well beyond that. Maybe back to the beginning of time and stretch to the bounds of the universe.

Posted by: Stokeybob | August 17, 2007 8:44 AM | Report abuse

You sound so ignorant and bigoted, it's almost shameful. First of all, why do you refer to illegal immigrants as hispanics? Illegal immigrants in this country come from all over the world including European countries ( Irish, russians, italians, poles etc. etc.) There are many, many more hispanics that are citizens than are illegal immigrants, so for those of you who dream of ridding this country of hispanics, let me tell you: Sorry, not gonna happen! Perhaps, it would be a better idea to rid this country of ignorant xenophobes like many of you, or better yet maybe all you should move with your prejudices to some other planet or some place far, far away and let the rest of us who want to live in peace side by side with everyone do so without having to hear or read your stupid comments.

Posted by: anpani | August 16, 2007 11:18 PM | Report abuse

You sound so ignorant and bigoted, it's almost shameful. First of all, why do you refer to illegal immigrants as hispanics? Illegal immigrants in this country come from all over the world including European countries ( Irish, russians, italians, poles etc. etc.) There are many, many more hispanics that are citizens than are illegal immigrants, so for those of you who dream of ridding this country of hispanics, let me tell you: Sorry, not gonna happen! Perhaps, it would be a better idea to rid this country of ignorant xenophobes like many of you, or better yet maybe all you should move with your prejudices to some other planet or some place far, far away and let the rest of us who want to live in peace side by side with everyone do so without having to hear or read your stupid comments.

Posted by: anpani | August 16, 2007 11:18 PM | Report abuse

I support rudy I hope he wins.stop the hatred give them a path to citizenship,achor baby are no ,still human have a heart this is not the american way. GOD BLESS AMERICA

Posted by: rlue2326 | August 16, 2007 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Politically, merganser said it all. The idea that "having a plan" which, if anything close to realistic, would require trade-offs, is wholly anathema to GOP voters. Why else would Republican candidates still be talking about irresponsible tax cuts while in the same breath talk about this "global war on terror" which is the calling of our generation?

If there's one thing these Bush Republicans seem to agree on is that you can have guns, butter AND tax cuts, and the bill will never come do. A responsible plan from Republicans that requires compromise, or trade-offs? I'd love to see it.

Posted by: piper190 | August 16, 2007 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Conservative people sound like a bunch of despots. They're pretty much devoid of humanity.

Posted by: zyber1999 | August 16, 2007 8:24 PM | Report abuse

All this heat and smoke signify nothing. We will become a Hispanic nation in just a few more generations. Enjoy it.

Posted by: Tupac_Goldstein | August 16, 2007 8:14 PM | Report abuse

So Rudy thinks illegl immigrants are " good people"? Right. They have broken the law by entering the USA. Some have been deported and come back again and again, and ignored US court orders.

And of course, if they are working, the id of choice is a stolen USA SSN. The American can have their credit ruined, lose the possibilty of buying a home, and have their government benefits which they earned, permanently reduced. Identity theft is theft, and a felony. Any illegal engaging in it should do their time in jail and be deported. Nope, these are not good people.

Posted by: Bettybb | August 16, 2007 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Rudy is nothing more then a two face jackass
this man was a good friend of Mexico's last
president valencia fox the only reason we
hear about this dumb ass CLOWN is the trash
talk of 911 he exploited the 911 VICTIMS
And there families Do we really wont this
Idiot for president ? HELL NO !!!!!!!

Posted by: worried | August 16, 2007 7:16 PM | Report abuse

GTHSTONEMAN-Asked, when are we ever going to hear the Dim's Views?

LOL! I hope this person does not actually Vote!

GTH-Asside from a Dual Nationality Mexican in New Mexico-(Pro-Invasion), the others all all Congressional Reps! They all voted for Amnesty due to selective amnesia!(God it was a dissaster last time!)!

Even as I write to this column, They are blocking HR:1940-Birthright Citizenship Act(Designed to stop US citzenship to Illegals and "Transients"), and trying to slip in an Agricultural Amnesty Program that everyone knows will be abused by Hispanics in other industries as well!-Never mind the FACT, nobody wants even the Pickers, to be rewarded for forcing wages down and locals off the farms!

Dims-Pro Invasion! Lots and Lots of stupid, uneducated, have-nots gullible enough to vote for Elitist Lawyers who con them all about how much they give a damn about them!

Hint-Billary cares to pay them Half what she should to clean her toilet!

I hear Dims shouting "Bring em on!"

Posted by: rat-the | August 16, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Who's going to take all those low paying jobs? No one, because without a tax payer funded alternative to hiring American workers, employers will be forced to compete for available workers. We should all remember that the majority of these low paying jobs, still employ American workers. Maybe college students will once again work part time to help with their schooling. Maybe your own children, or heaven forbid, you yourself will have to slide off the couch, or skip a few "tanning bed" sessions to mow the yard. Maybe, just maybe, all the unemployed who've just stopped trying will once again enter a labor market if they see that employers will compete to get and keep the workers they need. We should never forget that this is how it once was in America, before corporations and small businesses alike decided that low wages, and no benefits were the only means of making a profit. We no longer innovate, produce, market or manage effectively, and we won't, so long as "cheap labor" remains the preferred method of pumping up the bottom line.

Posted by: edweirdness | August 16, 2007 5:40 PM | Report abuse

It's ridiculous to use zero sum math in deciding what to do with the enormous illegal alien population already in the United states. Attrition through enforcement will address a large part of the problem. If illegals can't find work, can't rent or buy a place to stay, and are denied tax payer funded benefits, they will self deport. Those who don't would forfeit their assets to assuage the cost of deportation. Sooner or later, the population of illegals will be reduced or eliminated entirely. Ending the much abused chain migration and anchor baby policies will dramatically reduce the number of illegals anchored by a family member. Etimates of approximately $19,000 per year in tax payer funded benefits per illegal, as well as remittances home, would remain in our economy. Once illegals have been sent home, the tax payer funded benefits stop entirely, forever. American wages will rise, hopefully at a commensurate rate with the increase in cost of goods and services. Businesses that cannot survive without tax payer subsidized alternatives to hiring American and legal immigrant workers, have neither the products, services, or management skill sets necessary to remain an ongoing concern. Certainly these businesses should not be allowed to remain in business at the expense of America's tax payers, or our social and cultural interests. Costs of products and services can only rise to the point where consumers no longer find value, and stop buying. New products and services, new ways of thinking, marketing and doing business soon rise to fill the void. Overproduction in the agricultural sector has killed the family farm, yet we see no "price wars" at the grocery store. One need look no farther than the dumpster behind the local grocery store, school, hospital, military base, or foo pantry to realize that we already produce far more than we can consume, obese as we American's are. Indeed, most of the produce we purchase at local stores isn't grown locally, and in a lot of cases, isn't even grown in the United States. Most of our produce arrives from hundreds if not thousands of miles away. A gallon of milk still costs more than a gallon of gas. Many illegal immigrant supporters contend that if illegals are constrained to leave, our economy would be devastated, yet they fail to accept clear economics in doing so. Illegals, even by the most extreme extimates, comprise approximately 5% of our workforce. These illegals, their families and dependents burden our welfare, social service, health care and education sectors. Crowding, congestion, urban sprawl, vanishing green space, water and pollution concerns, all quality of life issues are impacted negatively by any scenario of more people chasing fewer resources. Reducing our population by tens of millions of illegals cannot possibly have the negative consequences that our unconstrained population growth guarantees.

Posted by: edweirdness | August 16, 2007 5:29 PM | Report abuse

First of all, its really sick to hear how this world has come to be so racist and selfish!! Immigrants dont take anybodys jobs, they work at jobs none of you guys picking crops under the blazing SUN, come on be realistic when they deport all "illegal" immigrants whose going to do all those low paying jobs?? I know none of you guys are going to do that, SO STOP FIGHTING FOR JOBS YOU DONT WANT!! If they do get deported i for sure know this country will go broke!!
I'm tired of everyone attacking HUMAN people that only come here to work, work, WORK!!! so stop blaming them for taking your jobs, ((the better man wins))

I think government officials should be concerned about important issues like this war that just keeps going and going...and doesn't stop. Worry about issues that are actually affecting and killing HUMANS...this is the key word "HUMAN"
Why do people act like they are superior to anybody else or any other race??
WE all end up in the same place wich is 6 feet under ground...why dont you guys try to take "YOUR COUNTRY" with you when that happens...

Posted by: princezz187 | August 16, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Don't have to send 12,000,000 people to jail. If they can't get jobs, they'll self-deport.

Posted by: navrongo | August 16, 2007 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Rudy needs to go mexico ? an run ! he might have chance ! but not here !take hillery with him ! please !!


Posted by: mgilfoy | August 16, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Well....Guiliani has a better plan for illegal immigrations than Hilary or Obama.

But that's not saying much.

Ron Paul '08!

Posted by: Tirade1 | August 16, 2007 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Here's my question:

When will the Post begin reporting on the DEMOCRAT'S "position" on illegal immigration?

We know that both Giuliani and Romney are running campaigns asserting that they will halt illegal immigration and we know that Democrats were unanimous in their support for President Bush's amnesty plan, but SOMEHOW, neither the Democrats, nor the Post is providing ANY commentary on the positions of the various DEMOCRATIC candidates on this VERY important issue.

Posted by: gthstonesman | August 16, 2007 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Giuliani has a continue with the status quo that is. It is ridiculous for him to even pretend to be tough on immigration. What kind of standard is "good people stay" and "Bad people go"? That is the same type of amnesty hog-wash that was just shot down.

We already have the framework to fix the problem and Romney has the best and simplest plan, enforce the laws on the books. Then the illegals would leave on their own with no access to jobs or free benefits. The government would not have to spend millions deporting people because they will go on their own.

If the government should do anything it is what Romney is suggesting, that we grant more legal work visas and encourage people to come into the country legally. That and get rid of the anchor baby rule. For people that say we are destroying the families of these "undocumented americans", they did it themselves when they broke the law, I have as much pity for them as I do for a person who steals from others to better their situation and got caught.

Go Mitt!

Posted by: DCWill | August 16, 2007 3:23 PM | Report abuse

OK, so first sent to prison 12,000,000 people .
What is the cost for keep a person person in jail?

Then, the government has to send them to their country. What will be the cost?

A lot of billions.

Posted by: abejorros | August 16, 2007 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Good people, having a plan is the death knell for Republicans! The only things their base demands is to cut taxes and take extreme right wing positions on social issues. Platitudes and bromides are what wins nominations--and sadly elections. Having actual policies and plans for America, why that for the "liberals".
Romney will win, he has the package--a Washington "outsider", lots of money, good looks and executive experience as governor and businessman. To further confirm my belief, I visited my mother-in-law in California, an independent and news junkie who usually votes Democratic. She told me, as of today, she will vote for Romney. I asked why, and the answer was "I like him, he seems Presidential." That folks, is it in a nutshell, who else among the Republican field seems Presidential? Perhaps Thompson hopes to fit the bill, but he tells people want they want to hear also, witness the swooning piece from Broder in Post today.

Posted by: merganser | August 16, 2007 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Get it right! We Democrats are as opposed to nboth legal and illegal immigrants that take jobs from Amercian's, use up limited money for social services, and commit crimes. The Bush-KENNEDY "immigration reform" legislation was shot down recently, not just by Republican's, but by Democrats. We are ALL concerned about job losses, wage and benefit depression and deceases due to immigration. As the current economic mess spreads and voters become even more iinsecure about their jobs, THIS issue (and the related "global" economy) is going to become the defining issue upon which candidates win or loose the upcoming elections. If you are a Democratic candidate and you are tied to the Kennedy-Clinton corporate wing of the part, be afraid, be very afraid!

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 16, 2007 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Giuliani has a Plan! LMAO!!!!

Talking about how HE can magically Seal the Borders, is no Plan! It is a delusional Pipe Dream! Only a New Yorker could come up with such a ridiculous notion!

Romney, dispite not being a great Choice for the Exectutive Seat, at least understands the problem.

Half of it at least.

There are two factors at work. One is the bad situation we are allowing in letting Employers hire Un-Documented Workers-Who can't file for Un-employment, clain Workmans comp, cost Payrolling and Employer Taxes, Etc., with NO FEAR OF CRIMINAL PERSECUTION! This has CREATED a DEMAND for Illegal Workers.

What I find AMAZING, is the Exact same Communities that are abused by the employers shorting them Tax revenues and dumping injured workers into emergency rooms-Never mind all the costs associated with their oversized(END THE ANCHOR BABY GARBAGE-Cripes Folks, EVERY single and Married hispanic woman is PREGNANT RIGHT NOW!)Families, That these same Community's Leaders are the ones declaring themselves Sanctuaries and opening Multiple Day Labor Sites spreading the criminal activity(Actually Aiding and Abbetting!).

The second goes back to Every Single and Married hispanic Woman of Child Bearing Age being Pregnant! Look AROUND!

It's an INVASION! When Congress and Ray-Gun granted amnesty and citizenship to the MILLIONS of Invaders in the 80's, They opened the Gates of Hell!

Where once US Citizens were getting beneficial help from a smaller group of Illegals, the Illegals then became Legal.

Now, the shoe is on the other FOOT Big Time! These newly legalized Hispanics knew many others back home. They applied for and got Work Visas for every Family member who could qualify, while using the Family Re-unification wrongheaded policy of INS, to get all the others in front of the applicants who did not have family members here! As this huge flood of Hispanics began snowballing in, entire Cities and Towns were engulfed! They overstayed their visas, and since they were already embedded with Legal family in Jobs and communities, nobody was able to just say-Oh, those two people in your family arn't supposed to still be here-they are illegal!

Now, let's add in the Battle of the Crib, with US Taxpayers paying for it!

What was 12,000,000 Invaders, became 36,000,000 with the Children being Dual Nationality anchors!

Enforce the EXISTING LAWS!

Arrest and Fine Giuliani's who declared their communities "Sanctaries" in violation of the Federal Laws the jerk thinks we are foolish enough to believe he will actually enforce like he would pledge to(Mr. Bush-Remember your Promise to us?).

(They already have them, they are Called INDUSTRIAL TEMPORARY HELPS!)

Get Ninny Peloser to introduce HR:1940-Birthright Citizenship Act-Pass it, and make it Retro-active to 2000, or all the way back to the huge mistake in the 80's.

The Invasion has ticked me and A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER AMERICANS OFF! It is a war of Sovereignty-WE ARE LOSING DUE TO OUR OWN STUPIDITY!

Posted by: rat-the | August 16, 2007 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Technically, they already don't apply to persons in the US who are not "living here with the intent to remain under US jurisdiction".

Illegals are here living outside of the law. Most are sending the bulk of their funds back home with the intent of returning at some vague point in the future, therefore they are not immigrants in the traditional sense. It is valid to deny citizenship to children born to such people.

Posted by: JamesPDBuchanan | August 16, 2007 2:39 PM | Report abuse

If illegal immigrant parents are to be allowed to stay simply because they have US-born children, then why not just be honest and state that our immigration laws do not apply to fertile women all of whom therefore are welcome to come, reside, and work in the US if they so choose?

Posted by: navrongo | August 16, 2007 2:34 PM | Report abuse

gthstonesman writes
"Giuliani actually HAS a plan, whereas Romney has nothing, as usual."

Perhaps. Though it would also appear that part of Giuliani's plan is an 'amnesty' program - not unlike the one that was a significant factor in scuttling the McCain campaign.

All of which explains why so many Republican primary voters apparently can't find a candidate to support. The Republican party doesn't seem to have a cohesive plan, and certain core constituents have diametrically opposed on some key issues (like immigration). It will be curious to see what the Republican party looks like in 6 months - not to mention in 18 months...

(none of which is meant to imply the Dems are having much more luck in defining themselves)

Posted by: bsimon | August 16, 2007 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Giuliani actually HAS a plan, whereas Romney has nothing, as usual.

Further evidence of why Romney has ZERO chances of earning the Republican nomination.

Posted by: gthstonesman | August 16, 2007 1:49 PM | Report abuse

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