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"How 'Bout the USA?" Romney Is Asked
In Emotional Exchange on Health Care

MANCHESTER, N.H. -- Mitt Romney was about a minute into an answer about his commitment to fighting the global spread of AIDS and health care diplomacy on Wednesday when a waitress behind the counter yelled out a question.

"What about our nation? How 'bout the USA? C'mon!" yelled Michele Griffin, a 12-year veteran behind the counter at one of Manchester's most famous eating establishments.

She turned to walk away, but the former Masschusetts governor and Republican presidential candidate called her back, sparking an emotional and confrontational 10-minute exchange about health care and the needs of the working class. The already hot diner got even hotter fast.

The exchange took place at the Red Arrow, one of two diners the Washington Post will be visiting repeatedly during the next six months.

One of the things I'm proud of doing in my state is putting on track a plan that gets everybody health insurance," Romney began, seeing an opening for his standard stump speech about his efforts as governor of Massachusetts.

But Griffin was in no mood for platitudes, and interrupted.

"After we pay our huge deductibles for our insurance and our cost for our prescriptions, there's nothing left," she said.

"Are you a Massachusetts resident?" Romney asked.

"No I'm a New Hampshire resident," Griffin said, and then added, before Romney could jump in, that "we pay over $1,000 a month for our insurance. Then we have co pays. Every time you go to the doctor, it's $50 a visit. Then you have co-pays for our prescriptions. Can you tell me what your co pay is?"

"Yes," Romney said. "$10 for each prescription."

"That's very nice isn't it?" Griffin answered dryly.

"Yes. What are yours? Romney asked.

"Mine are like $30-$50. I have three sick children."

A moment later, Romney tried to get back to Massachusetts and his stump speech. "One of the things I thing is important to do--as you've heard me do as governor across the border--is to find a way to get health insurance for all our citizens..."

Griffin interrupted again.

"Yeah, but how are all your citizens..."

"You know," Romney quipped, "if you'd like me to answer the question I will."

"Well," Griffin said, "but how much are your citizens paying for deductibles? Same as you?"

"Well, how much?" Romney stumbled for a moment, then got his footing as he used the question to launch into an explanation of the need for choice in health care. "Everyone has their own plan. Because in my state there is private insurance and we get to choose the policy we'd like."

The pair quibbled for a few more minutes as a small crowd of diner patrons, reporters and Romney aides listened in the cramped, little diner. At one point, Griffin criticized Democratic Sen. Hillary Clinton, saying that as First Lady "she had a plan and she never followed through. Now, she wants to be president."

Romney was quick to say he didn't like Clinton's plan and opposed taxes to pay for health care subsidies, but that prompted a question from another patron. "Who's paying for the subsidies if it's not the government of Massachusetts?"

Another chance to pull out the script: "We found it cost us more money to be giving free care out at hospitals than to help people buy their own private care," Romney said, sweating a bit by this point.

A couple of other questions - another on AIDS, one on education - and he was, mercifully, out of the diner. Aides looked relieved, but said they were always happy to have tough questions.

Meanwhile, a tearful Griffin said after he left that she heard nothing to make her feel better about her plight or the health care situation for working class people. She said one of her daughters has Crohn's disease and another is a diabetic.

"I just want him to start taking care of us Americans," she said. "You know? Stop worrying about everyone else right now."

Romney is not the first candidate to hear of Griffin's plight. Griffin described her situation to Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware, a Democrat, when he was last in the diner, according to Joe Klein of Time Magazine. Biden touched his forehead to hers, Klein wrote, "an awkward but touching gesture, and she shuddered into deep sobs. He hugged her."

-- Michael D. Shear

By Bill Hamilton  |  August 3, 2007; 6:00 AM ET
 
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I am a right wing conservative who is a landscaper with health insurance provided by my company. I have a wife and two kids that my company doesn't cover. My wife works as well and does not receive coverage from her employer. For her to go work for someone offering coverage would mean expensive day care cost for us that would negate any financial benefit of her job except insurance for her without coverage for the kids. The fact is, due to the high cost of insurance i can not both feed and insure my family. Should i then ask the government to feed my family as well? Should they pay my child care cost? This is a ridiculous question! Increased services mean increased taxes! Increased taxes means the cost of goods and services we need will go up! If you don't believe it look at the European economies. They are hurting in a big way and they are starting to cut many health care benefits to stop the economic bleeding that is happening. The demand for government provided health care is ridiculous. The increase in the cost of goods and services to people like me as companies struggle to cover the increase in taxes would push me over the edge into the poor house. Make insurance cheaper and i could afford to insure my family. Do that by reducing the mandatory benefits like in vitro fertilization. Allow the insurance companies to compete in the benefits market as well as the price market. In short, get the government out and let the insurance market be a true competitive market. And, oh, Ms. Griffin and i are not a victims. She made choices like i did. They may not have been great choices but they are our choices. The beautiful part of America is we do have the opportunity to do better. Unfortunately, most people don't feel they should have to sacrifice to better.

Posted by: sslyons | September 3, 2007 10:06 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201364033&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1364033%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I see so many saying that Ms. Griffin made bad decisions, that she is "a whiner." Let me ask you this: when do you think she to have her children stricken with Crone's Disease and diabetes? When did she decide to become a waitress instead of a CEO? When did she decide to live a life free of error, every decision a perfect one, as apparently, so many of you have done?
We are not talking about buying Ms. Griffin a car, or a tv, or a vacation house in the Hamptons. We are talking about the lives and health of her children. Make no mistake - according to the laws of the free market, she is a bad investment, end of story. If that is the sort of system we want, then we should be honest with her; tell her she has failed in the race of life, and that the lives of her family are simply not our concern. We can do this. But if this is what you believe, do not call yourself compassionate, and certainly do not call yourself a Christian. Because you are closer, in truth, to a Roman.

Posted by: petekwando | August 27, 2007 4:05 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201337206&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1337206%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

For the person that wrote, she should not have four kids if she could not support them. What planet are you on. When and if you plan a family, you do not know what God throws at you, whether a health child, mildly handicap child, or whatever. I am sure this parent could easily afford her family and comfortable life if it was not for all in bureaucracy of the government. The taxation, the payoff's and not held accountable Government of the United States.
United what does that mean? Stand together? Well not the United States. United in Laws, nope, everyone one has their own, United it Education, nope, everyone has their own standard, United equality nope, average people do not have the convenience of loop holes, or the finances to get around things like the government people. What are we United in? BRY of b-burg IN.

Posted by: minxster | August 25, 2007 9:53 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201330689&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1330689%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Geee...he looks like one....he talks like one and he acts like one. He must be a politician!

Are people still falling for this "I need to go to Washington to change the ways things are done there" line?

That has got to be one of the most generic overused political BS lines in the history of mankind...and Romney is using at every stop and turn.

Listen all you bloggers who are being paid by the Romney campaign to post comments glorify his "ideas" and candidacy esp. on here, tell him to stop using generic messages to try to reach us. It demonstrates an inability to connect with people on the spot and in real time as demonstrated in this video and we are reading through it. Talking points points are not "message"...don't confuse the two.

Posted by: geraldrojek | August 23, 2007 1:59 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201323512&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1323512%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Joe Biden has a heart of gold and came from blue collar beginnings im told. His hug of the waitress says it all about this genuine US Senator from Delaware. I am voting for Joe in the Democratic Primary. Also, you republicans can switch you party affilation to vote for Joe too in the Primary. Do it fast or we may have the embarassment of Hillary in the General election and the spectre of the Oval Office being besmirched again with Bill and his BS talk like 'it depends on what the meaning of "is" is. Cut me a brake.

Posted by: mdore | August 15, 2007 9:37 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201305516&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1305516%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Why does virtually every 1st world country except the USA have health care for all citizens? Why does the USA rank so low on objective measures of overall quality of health care? Why do people blame the poor for needing health care?

How can someone state/ask "This person has four kids and it sounds like she can't support them so why does she have four kids to begin with?" as if she knew one would be diabetic and another have ADHD? Was she supposed to euthanize her child when the diabetes was diagnosed? Send the kid to an orphanage? Why do people blame others with serious diseases and specific health problems when they are unable to afford health care?

Posted by: rfcnola1 | August 7, 2007 1:15 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201284849&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1284849%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The reporter and the commenters are unaware of the fact that, as a bishop (the volunteer, unpaid head of a local congregation of several hundred members of the Chursh of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) for several years, Mitt Romney was involved in providing financial aid to people just like this waitress, for ten or more hours every week, whose medical out-of-pocket costs exceeded her ability to pay due to chronic illness.

That aid within the LDS Church is paid for by the members of the Church fasting (not eating) for 24 hours on the first Sunday of each month and donating the money they save (and as much more as they can afford) into a fund that is used to help the poor, first in the local congregation, and then outward within the city and the rest of the Church. It's like a mutual insurance fund, though it is completely voluntary and confidential, being paid in closed envelopes.

The LDS Church also maintains clearinghouses for job placement, including for those not members of their church.

The LDS Church also provides food aid to the unemployed and working poor through a national network of farms and food processing, packaging and distribution operations, in which much of the labor is donated by Church members and those who receive the aid.

Second hand clothing is also collected, cleaned, repaired, and either sold through second hand stores in areas of high LDS population, or shipped in bulk to areas hit by disasters along with food and medicines. When Katrina hit the Gulf Coast, the local branches of the LDS food and aid network provided help within a day after the storm subsided, before FEMA showed up, and LDS volunteers were on scene helping people dig out, with more aid and workers coming in from outside the region over the following days.

Mitt Romney has been involved in this kind of hands-on compassionate help for the poor all of his life. He doesn't brag about it because Mormons are taught not to seek personal aggrandizement for giving others help (per the Sermon on the Mount). I would venture to guess that he has personally put more time into caring for the personal needs of people like this waitress than all of the commenters combined, and that he has donated personally from his income more than the total charitable contributions of all the commenters, because that is what Mormons do, especially those who have been local bishops and leaders of several congregations, as Romney has been.

You who criticize Romney for not being compassionate enough with what is really other people's tax money are pikers compared to the face-to-face compassion of that man and his family.

As for medical insurance: Care of good quality and quantity costs money. You would not want the government to basically draft you into whatever job you do and not pay you. The same is true for doctors, nurses, hospitals, pharmacists, and those who manufacture medical supplies and equipment. The nations that have "free" medical care are paying for it through massive taxes and rationing of services that lets a faceless bureaucrat make decisions about your family's medical care, that you can do little to change. If you think some insurance company is treating you badly, just wait until a government employee, who gets rated based on how little money he spends rather than how much service he provides, takes over.

As a retired Air Force veteran, let me make some observations.

The VA health care system has improved markedly in recent years. That is because more funds are going in to pay for better poeple and equipment. VA care is not "socialized medicine" because it is clearly compensation to those who provided service to the government, namely military veterans. It is literally an employer-paid program.

The medical system for active and retired military members and their families is the same thing, an employer-provided care plan. It has also improved due to more funding by Congress and more efficient management of claims. Nevertheless, the level and quality of care you get can vary tremendously, especially for family members. What really made it tolerable was the fact that, when they could not handle a problem, they would refer you out to civilian doctors and pay for it.

Both the military and VA programs only work because they operate in the context of a large private economy of medical care providers. If they were part of a government monopoly, if there were not alternative to serve as a standard, all of the bad aspects of those systems would be magnified and the good deteriorate. Every long term care facility could have the quality of the one at Walter Reed.

Posted by: gwu84llm | August 6, 2007 7:01 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201284309&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1284309%26blog_id=322">Report abuse


To insure prompt and adequate treatment it is necessary to train more doctors, nurses, and technicians. I understand the American Medical Association lobbies to limit the number of the preceeding. Meanwhile many who can barely afford treatment resort to going to other countries for less expensive treatment. Our entire education system suffers from excessive privatization while other countries subsidize education to a greater extent. India teaches English free, teaches computer and possibly medical training free. American students must compete by paying thousands of dollars for education.

Posted by: edwardrswick | August 6, 2007 6:39 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201284262&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1284262%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

All y'all whining that the waitress has four kids - how many of you, I wonder, would be kicking up a fuss if she'd aborted any of them?

Since when did children become a privilege of the rich?

Funny, I thought working mothers were what republicans wanted - since they're always up in arms about "welfare queens".

Once more, with feeling - Societies are created by people in an attempt to better everyone. They're natural, as are governments. Providing for the common good IS THE BASIS OF A SOCIETY.

And an essential common good is seeing that all members of society are healthy.

Individuals who want to do it alone and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps are welcome to move to a deserted island and create a civilization of one, rather than battening on to my society and acting the leech.

Posted by: prophetking | August 6, 2007 6:12 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201284209&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1284209%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I thank God that my company offers full health care. What our government owes it's citizens is what George Bush has taken away by giving the wealthiest citizens tax breaks out of all proportion to what they give to the nation. If this wasn't for the nation we live in they would not have the ability to attain the riches they have. Dont they owe something back? Why is that you don't hear those making under $50,000 a year complaining about paying their taxes. It always seems to be those who are living comfortably.

Posted by: JustAnotherIdiot | August 6, 2007 5:29 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201284100&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1284100%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Lots of people talk about un-earned "entitlement" and the evils of "social medicine" until they or their loved ones are struck with a disease that has a crippling effect on their finances. What the hell ever happened to empathy? What if that waitress was a friend of yours or even your sister?

Yes, many Americans seem to be headed in the direction of wanting more and more without necessarily working for it. But if we CAN give everyone decent health care with a universal system, why shouldn't we? Because we'd rather not help out our neighbors and fellow Americans? How selfish have we become?

And for those folks worried about their taxation and money: how much more could you be paid if your company/employer didn't have to pay for your health care? How much more could small businesses expand? Doesn't that help the economy?

Posted by: beigeinisde | August 6, 2007 12:38 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201283038&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1283038%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Well, the most important component of a country is its people. Some of writers here don't care about the future of USA when blame the people for their health care problems. I believe the government has a responsability in educating its own people in how to have a healthy life. We know how corporations are free to make big profits poisoning us but we need to find ways to solve our problems giving more profits to them. More people die every year for lack of health care than for the 9/11 attacks, however, billions of dollars are allocated to the war in Iraq without our consent. This is a very effective way to destroy our country.

Posted by: luisedgardoramirez | August 6, 2007 11:37 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201282842&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1282842%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

It is quite easy for those who don't have to deal with chronic diseases on an everyday basis to point fingers and lay blame. I agree with those that have posted above me - its sickening that it is getting turned around on the waitress and her children. I'm also very amused by the people who claim that the waitress wants nothing but a hand out and follows the "what about mine" mentality. Clearly they are putting their wants and needs before any thing else - how is saying "I don't want to put money towards someone else's health care" any different then saying "I wish the government would do something about this mess of a health care system"?

How selfish.

Posted by: calotype | August 6, 2007 10:32 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201282630&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1282630%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

So easy for those that have to be critical and elitist. So many of the arrogant remarks posted here come from hypocrites who believe there is something special about themselves for their having their coverage and something so declasse about those who don't. Makes me ashamed to be among such so called Americans who even probably consider themslelves to be Christian as well. We are here not to waste our wealth and blood on moronic wars but to care and to help one another and not to feel smug that "I've got mine." Reason I hold the Republican party in contemt is this attitude of damn the poor and give me more. Shameful, shameful and quite frankly Fascist.

Posted by: ROBERJBO | August 6, 2007 7:36 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201282321&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1282321%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

As a British reader of this thread (and a user of "socialized" - sorry NATIONAL health) I am always amazed at how rabidly some Americans seem to hate the poor and blame them for their poverty.

Quite interesting considering how noisily the Christian nature of the USA is trumpeted - how does it go, "Love thy neighbour as thyself"?

Posted by: kjn1961 | August 6, 2007 2:53 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201282231&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1282231%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The Republican health care system is based on the premise that whatever enriches the insurance companies is good for health care. This is the system we have NOW, and it survives because Republicans have protected it with every trick and lie in the book. It will take a president and congress who are not afraid of or beholden to this powerful special interest to kill it, and kill it they must. You only have to look at where the money goes in the Republican-spawned Medicare prescription drug program to see that. Talk about transfer of wealth....

I'm sure Romney wishes he were president, so he could screen his audiences like bushie boy does. That waitress would've been outta there.

Posted by: davidhaarberg | August 5, 2007 3:47 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201281586&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1281586%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I am a Manchester, New Hampshire resident. I eat at the Red Arrow Diner periodically though I do not know this particular waitress.

My take on this situation:
Politicians of both parties regularly go into restaurants like this to provide local color. It is about time that someone stepped out of the scenery and voiced their opinion.

Mrs. Griffin, I appreciate your honesty and hope your situation gets better. I spoke with the owner of the diner and she said that so far there has been many more positive email reaction than negative.

Posted by: mickbw | August 5, 2007 10:13 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201281297&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1281297%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I am stunned by the hatred being directed at the waitress in the story. Must be easier for some people to dehumanize her than to allow themselves to feel compassion for her or her children.

As has been mentioned in othe posts, she is obviously working, she has health insurance, and nowhere does the article indicate she is single. It doesn't even say she is "poor". The fact is that an increasing number of middle-class families are beginning to find themselves overwhelmed by medical costs.

Someone indicated that her job as a waitress was an indication of "poor choices". Please. With four children, some with serious health problems, a job with flexible hours is probably the only kind of job she'd be able to take. And to those who have commented about her teeth --if it's all you can do to afford essential medical care for your family, dental care is probably pretty much out of the question.

It must be reassuring to assume that ony lazy, unmotivated, promiscuous single parents can find themselves faced with medical bills they can't afford. But that's just not reality, and as health care costs rise, it becomes less and less true each year. At the rate we're going, I really fear that in a decade or so it will be a rare family that DOES have good insurance and CAN afford the health care it needs.

And if the lady in the artcile was single mother, so what? Even if (for the sake of argument) she was the most irresponsible single mother you could imagine, does that mean her CHILDREN shouldn't receive adequate health care? They didn't do anything wrong. Those making callous remarks such as "WE didn't tell her to have those kids, why should WE pay for their health care?" should consider what they're really saying: that kids born to parents who aren't wealthy and well-insured (or even those born to parents who ARE wealthy and well-insured but then lose a job and/or lose insurance, or find themselves on a skimpy health plan that can result in large out-of-pocket expenses, etc.) should just do without decent health care. If they develop a serious medical condition? Oh well. Guess they should have picked richer parents. What should they do? Just die rather than take up taxpayer money? (I hope no one making these arguments is pro-life.)

It's an absolute embarrassment that the United States of America can't manage to do what just about every other industrialized country has managed to do -- provide universal health care to all its citizens. Other countries' health care systems may not be perfect, but they sure don't seem to be itching to trade them in for the US "system" (if it can even be called that). Wonder why?

Posted by: lauracf | August 5, 2007 1:26 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201281067&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1281067%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The answer to the health-care problem is simple: REQUIRE the "Right-to-lifers" to provide health care "out of their pockets". Either the "right-lo-lifers" will "pay up" or declare abortion a sacament. Most likely thew second option will happen

Posted by: Dish15204 | August 4, 2007 9:27 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280848&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280848%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

COMPETITION won't work because, when it comes to life and death we will not look at what is the cheapest, we will look at who is the most skilled and has the best success rate. These people have the ability to charge the highest rates.

The best care should be made available to all citizens. This is a question of equality. Plain and simple. The prejudice issue that we will face in the 21st century will be an economic one. Is Mitt Romney more deserving of a 10 dollar deductible than a working waitress? No.

And for everyone that is griping about her having kids: you have absolutely no argument. It defeats all sense of idea of "consequences for actions" to let the children pay the consequences for their mother's irresponsibility. You might as well be sticking up for her. Sad.

Posted by: heathermcewen | August 4, 2007 7:44 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280745&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280745%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Since when did any government ever get anything right, but we think they won't totally screw up (worse than it is) health care?? People in Canada have to come to America (and pay out of pocket after they've already paid the health care taxes) to get decent treatment without waiting 4 months to see a cancer or heart specialist. And...it's ILLEGAL for them to buy the health care that the government pretends to provide for them (Canada's Private Clinics Surge as Public System Falters)

Oh, and for all the folks who like to point out that we provide public schools for the children, so why not the health care...do you have children that attend these schools?...because they suck. My children spend more time watching movies than they do anything else and aren't even taught basic math skills...they use a calculator now (which is why you give the cashier the seven cents after they've punched in the amount paid the cashier is unable to figure out the correct change)...and not to mention the 3 teachers that have been fired in 5 years for sexual misconduct with students or child pornography...or the day my son came home to tell me that they showed the unrated version of the 40 Year Old Virgin at school that day...have you seen the unrated version???

No matter how much we pay in taxes (and how much control over our lives we give to the government) the fact that some people will have more than others WILL NEVER CHANGE. And that's okay. People are different, they have different wants, needs, priorities, and different levels of ambition and intelligence. The fact remains that IF THEY WANT TO, America is probably the only place left in the world where you can go from poor to rich in one lifetime. As an example, I was a high school dropout, and was a single mom with 2 children by the time I was 21 and worked as a waitress (without health insurance). We lived in a 1 bedroom, 600 sq ft apartment because that's what we could afford. When I was 30 I finally got tired of living like that and decided to change my life. I went to technical school and worked my way up to a job on Wall Street and a house in the 'burbs. The opportunity to change your life is why thousands of people come here every year...if poor people wanted crappy socialized health care they would immigrate to Canada. This whole manufactured issue is just another push to gain more control over our money and lives.

Posted by: mitchannie | August 4, 2007 6:31 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280669&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280669%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

This woman is responsible for her life, her 'career' and how many times she chose to get pregnant and have children. This is not the goverment's fault.

If you're an adult working at a diner, you have probably made several bad choices in life. Maybe she should have tried harder in school, found a way to attend college (I grew up dirt poor, but was able to work my way through college), or find a skill / trade that pays better...maybe join the military or Coast Guard. Just because she made bad choices in life, the government isn't obligated to pay for her healthcare.

If her husband has to work two jobs, all the above applies to him as well.

The U.S. Goverment is not responsible for 'babying' us. It should create a stable and safe environment that allows business to flourish and the citizens to live free and safe. This is precisely what President Bush is doing now.

And, by the way, for all you Bush haters. Did you read about the latest find of chemical weapons in Iraq? The coalition has on numerous occasions found chemical, biological and nuclear material hidden in that country...so it's time to stop repeating the lie of 'no wmds' in Iraq.

Have a nice day!

Posted by: tbellott | August 4, 2007 6:22 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280651&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280651%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

To all those ignorant fools who complain about using tax dollars to pay for healthcare in this country: Wake Up! You already are havinbg your tax dollars pay for other's healthcare. Senators, Congressmen, and the Military get FREE healthcare courtesy of you the tax payer. So stop quibbling about that and realize that We need to stop wasting our tax dollars in the middle east and start takling care of our fellow countrymen. For if we don't start supporting infrastructure here, there will be no need to worry about Terrorists invading becuase we'll have done thier damages all on our own - willingly.

Posted by: eflynn | August 4, 2007 3:05 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280466&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280466%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

you want to know what is going on?

you gotta president and COMPLICIT CONGRESS, that want to line their pockets...with the money generated from touting an OCCUPATION as a war...

you have bushCO & CRONYs

that want the United States to falter so they and their international friends can gain control of our country....

they want you to "look over here" as they keep piling their van full of loot.

take them down.

what does that have to do with HEALTHCARE...

to them, it's an either or situation....

spend the Nations' MONEY ON THEMSELVES OR THE NATION???


I think you can see where the money is being spent?


no competition bids in IRAQ and KATRINA....

7,000 trailers full of blacks parked behind an EXXON MOBIL facility in Baton Rouge....


how many parcels of land are going to fall into developers hands because the blacks are being allowed to move back into New Orleans? Think Trent Lott or his CRONY George smallbeans Bush have anything to do with the land theft occuring in New Orelans...


how they gonna pay taxes on their land parked in a trailer????


accident, or another chime of serendipity like the WTC getting blown up when


the bushCO & CRONYs needed a reason to invade IRAQ....


how stupid are you AMERICA????


davie???

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Posted by: afraidofme | August 4, 2007 12:38 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280315&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280315%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

you want to know what is going on?

you gotta president and COMPLICIT CONGRESS, that want to line their pockets...with the money generated from touting an OCCUPATION as a war...

you have bushCO & CRONYs

that want the United States to falter so they and their international friends can gain control of our country....

they want you to "look over here" as they keep piling their van full of loot.

take them down.

right, healthcare...


should be part of a package that is included in citizenship. how that is achieved is less important right now than saying that it needs to happen.


outsourcing needs to stop, today.

companies that manufacture products overseas for their AMERICAN headquarters, need to be considered FOREIGN COMPETITION...

URBAN living needs to become safe and getting around needs to be managed as an infrastructure issue....


our highways were improved during WWII, and during the WPA programs to bring us out of the Depression...


our country works well to get things done as a nation...

then the people in charge decide to run the country


for their own selfish needs, while pretending that stealing oil is a "patriotic duty,"

we don't have a need for oil so bad, that we need to kill innocent civilians that would probably cut a deal for it easily...but since George W. bush and cronies want to make bank selling bombs 'n stuff...they create the facade of a war during their occupation.


About a billion dollars a day is poured into destroying the infrastructure and QUALITY OF LIFE for IRAQIs...

How would AMERICA look if we spent that much money on repairing and adding to the INFRASTRUCTURE OF AMERICANS???


think any money would find it's way into the citizens pockets, would the country be richer???


how about arresting the EMPLOYERS OF ILLEGALS, so that our U.S. of A. marginalized citizens all of a sudden become a commodity that gets refined into a useful product?


as an engineer, I know when something is working or not...

George W. Bush and his ilk, stand for the destruction of AMERICA...


stop affording him and his cronies the opportunity to line their pockets with the citizens monies....

and spend those monies on our INFRASTRUCTURE...that my friends is a NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE,


not some hogwash about CIA trained terrorists "all of a sudden," being the enemy...

you believe that I have a bridge in BROOKLYN for sale,


grow up and smell the B.S.

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Posted by: afraidofme | August 4, 2007 12:23 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280300&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280300%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

It's a shame when you see the poor and middle-class people parroting the rightwing mantras. Don't you folks realize they are taxcuting and scaring you right into non-existence.
What about your quality is actually getting better? Your children's education; healthcare; energy costs; city streets. You folks need to wakeup, they are using you.

Posted by: shag11 | August 4, 2007 12:00 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280271&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280271%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

We hear very often that one of the answers to high health care costs is preventive medicine. I am 60 years old, retired and on a fixed income. Part of my preventive care is colon test, blood work, and chest x-rays. These procedures were a part of my health care plan at no cost to me. In the past two years my health care provider has begun to charge me a portion of all these tests. When I go to the doctor now, I am reluctant to get some of the tests he thinks are required because I cannot afford the additional costs. My point is that health care costs need to be brought under control. Preventive care may sound attractive but health care providers, without any controls, will begin to raise prices and make more money from any and all solutions to our "health care crisis".
I worked at the same company for 30 years. Now health care costs eats at my pension more that anything else.

Posted by: uncle274 | August 4, 2007 11:44 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280258&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280258%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I have many European friends and they have nothing but disdain for our so-called healthcare. They think our government pretty much just likes to use our tax dollars to, in essence, kill people. After all, the US spends HALF the whole world's defense dollars.

I'm sure ther's a lot that could be trimmed there, but as all the republican men seem to have terminal penis envy (big cars, big guns, small...).

Posted by: bird52 | August 4, 2007 11:38 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280253&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280253%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The right wingers who are lambasting the waitress for being a welfare mom clearly don't read the newspaper any more carefully than they read the Bible

a closer read reveals that she has been working for 12 years and the video reveals that her husband works two jobs. Is she looking for a handout or for a level playing field? Her children developed health problems after they were born. What do you want her to do? When the pharma and insurance companies have the govt in heir pockets and healthcare decisions are made with the welfare of those industries in mind, not the welfare of the citizens, the taxpayers.

When are the repubs going to start grousing about corporate welfare which has much more far reaching costs to this country than they complain about poor citizens?

janet

Posted by: janet | August 4, 2007 11:28 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280240&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280240%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Medicare and Medicaid ar not socialized medicine. VA is and works very well when funded properly. The doctors work for the Govt, hospitals are run by the Govt, and perscriptions averare 40% less than private plans to the Govt. That is socialized medicine. And you know what? The New England journal of medicine says this is the best medical around and the users of the system are more satisfied than any othe plan! my next post will explain how private insurance is the least efficient and most costly available.

Medicare for all is private insurance. My next post will explain it completely!!!

Posted by: marden | August 4, 2007 11:11 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280212&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280212%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

universal health care guarantees the horribly high prices the so called health providers already are charging thanks to present health insurance is to me, the big problem. what needs to be targeted is the m.d.'s (m. diety), hospitals, pharmaceuticals, medical supply facilities, etc. and stop this horrible gouging. just another version of corporate greed. whether we have the best health care system is certainly debatable. look at the palatial buildings. hint, hint. try and get an appointment with an m.d. some are not even taking new appointments. ouch! and what is the first thing you are asked?! huge lobbies funded by the medical profession. and yes, our congress, is probably the largest of all corporate greed. and we keep voting them in. my mama was right-->i should have been a doctor!

Posted by: bsander1 | August 4, 2007 10:10 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280174&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280174%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I am sick and tired of this conservative straw man called "socialized medicine". Saying these words apparently is meant to end the argument as though having socialized medicine is akin to nuclear holocaust. We, it isn't. Socialized mail delivery seems to be working pretty well. Socialized library services don't seem to be harming us very much. Socialized police and fire departments are doing a pretty damn good job. Socialized road construction seems to work for the most part. WTF! The government actually does things pretty well when it is allowed to get things done without some idiotic, baseless complaining. I would rather have my taxes pay for everyone's healthcare, than pay an insurance company that tells me whether I can have my medication or not.
Socialized healthcare does not mean our hospitals will be run by the Kremlin, but that is the image these idiots are trying to evoke. Just give it up. We will have universal healthcare. It will happen in my lifetime. It has taken too long because these fools buy a party line that has no benefit for them.
The funny thing is that millionaires and billionaires can afford their healtcare without insurance companies. Middle class and poor people cannot afford their healthcare because of insurance companies. So who benefits from insurance companies? THOSE WHO OWN THEM!
Government run by people who believe in government will run well. You A#$%#%ole conservatives need to get your heads out of your asses and start thinking of your own self-interests.

Posted by: vstefano | August 4, 2007 10:01 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280166&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280166%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

WHY DO PEOPLE ASK WHY PEOPLE HAVE CHILDREN IF THEY ARE SICK? HOW STUPID! FIRST THE RELIGIOUS FANATICS ARE TRYING TO MAKE ABORTION ILLEGAL, SECOND MOST CHILDREN AREN'T DIAGNOSED WITH ILLNESSES THE SECOND THEY ARE BORN. IT MAY TAKE YEARS OR MONTHS FOR AN ILLNESS TO SHOW UP THAT IS WHY SOME CHILDREN IN THE SAME FAMILY ALL HAVE THESE GENETICALLY PREDISPOSED DISEASES. DOES ANYONE ASK A PERSON INVOLVED IN A CAR ACCIDENT WHY THEY WERE DRIVING AND TELL THEM IT IS THEIR FAULT FOR HAVING SOMEONE HIT THEM. WE ARE PAYING HUGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY FOR HEALTH INSURANCE AND THE COMPANIES ARE MAKING HUGE PROFITS. TOO BAD THE PEOPLE PAYING THESE PAYMENTS AREN'T GETTING THE TREATMENT NEEDED OR REQUESTED BY THE DOCTORS. PEOPLE SITTING BEHIND DESKS MAKE THE DECISION ON HOW MUCH THEY WILL ALLOW YOU TO SPEND AND THE LESS THEY ALLOW THE BIGGER THEIR BONUSES. THE HEALTH INSURANCE BUSINESS IS INTERESTED IN PROFIT FOR THEIR CEO'S AND CFO'S AND DON'T GIVE A RAT'S BUTT ABOUT YOUR HEALTH.

Posted by: ZIMMY1002 | August 4, 2007 9:04 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280122&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280122%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Crohn's disease normally kicks off at about 15 years old and occurs in 1 in 1000 of the population. Sometimes it is diagnosed in error as an explanation for the symptoms of Coeliac's disease (occurs 1 in a 100). Coeliac's disease is so cheaply treated that the Pharma profit driven US system has all but forgotten it.

http://www.nhsdirect.nhs.uk/articles/article.aspx?articleId=105

Has this woman's child been tested for Coeliac's? The working class American diet would be hell for a Coeliac.
Could someone reading this drop the lady a note, at worst it could cause some anger or embarrassment, at best some help for the child.

Posted by: paddy | August 4, 2007 8:58 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280115&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280115%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Ancient Mariner first got it right! Cut out the insurance companies. Once they no longer parse, examine, weasel or quibble about medical procedures that may have been mis-coded by a transposed digit or any other excuse they can invent from siritual (not whole) cloth - we will have aso many unemployed people here in the U.S. that the meat packers, Landscapers, Lawn Services, Farmers and other importers of illegal aliens won't need Mexicans or other Latinos any more and the excuse of the Republicans and others for a supply of cheap labor will be eliminated.

Posted by: NoTrumpKing | August 4, 2007 8:56 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280114&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280114%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Mitt Romney's Health Care Plan: the status quo.

The profitteers in the health insurance business are bleeding you, me, and the people who employ us. It's time for some radical thinking to fix this. There are working models of national health care systems in every other western democracy. Surely we can see what works well and what doesn't and come up with a plan of our own.

Posted by: WWWexler | August 4, 2007 7:59 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280082&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280082%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Aetna, Cigna, and all the other so-called healthcare providers have killed more people since the early 1970s by denying them basic heath care than Hitler ever did in his concentration camps, and they have become rich in doing so.

Posted by: coelacanth198 | August 4, 2007 7:44 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280074&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280074%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Sure videotape the toothless one who's probably out humpin anyone that would dare do such a sin to their private parts.

The reporter who filmed that 50 a day burger gulping sweathog s/b fired for disturbing my lunch here at work. One look at the toothless one made me ill.

Chevy

Posted by: chevy55sc | August 4, 2007 7:14 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280066&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280066%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I would like for the person who said we have the best healthcare in the world to prove that. Statistics on infant mortality, in hospital fatalities due to care 'errors', no-care for the folks who can't pay (check free clinic availability), unsuccessful diagnoses/treatment, etc. I don't believe we are the best - probably not even in the top five. Folks are going to India, Canada, England, France, and other better care places for less cost including travel. Most of these countries have a state paid for system to insure quality care for all no matter how many children some have and no matter how alone or greedy or disinterested or generous or rich anyone may be. It's called human rights through egalitarian practices.

Posted by: nraydt | August 4, 2007 6:45 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280061&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280061%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

what do you want this guy to do walk on water? Can you even imagine how much tax dollar must go into medicare and medicaid. Romney's right. We can use those same tax dollars to help subsidize the people. I don't think there is a candidate in the field that can fix all the problems we have, but i like his solution on our healthcare crisis... no free ride. That woman should have done a better job of listening. His plan would benefit her family, and most others as well. Mitt Romney is the only candidate that will serve the people... all the people. I truly believe he can make our government more efficient. He has got the resume to back it up... You cannot say that about any other candidate. If you don't like he because he so called flip flops, or his looks, or his family, thats one thing. but if you don't like him because he is a mormon... big mistake... peace to all.

Posted by: rakee63 | August 4, 2007 5:36 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201280031&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1280031%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

RE:

The secret to not being poor is for women to keep their legs together until marriage.

Posted by: dwroberts_03860 | August 3, 2007 09:50 AM

You copied this word for word from that brilliant hate monger, Ann Coulter. Please, if you're going to post outrageously idiotic ideas, at least let them be original ones.

Posted by: mr.wildwildwest | August 4, 2007 2:53 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279986&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279986%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

plain and simple Mitts a toon!!!! really not only is everything he says made up, power pointed and poll tested ......... he's nothing but perfect hair and a technicolor suit.

Posted by: willjolley | August 4, 2007 1:43 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279957&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279957%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

To all those rambling on about serfdom - you're already there. Do you think because YOU have a decent home, a decent car, etc., that you're not?

The comprehension of those who attacked a working woman is pathetically dismal.

Like this comment:
I'm tired of people begging the government(sic) to take care of them. If it's the goverment's(sic) job to pay for your health insurance, why don't they buy you a refrigerator, pay for your groceries and provide you with a car to boot?

Right up front, the working woman states that they (apparently she & her spouse) pay big bucks for a deductible, plus copays to the physician, plus copays for medications.

Bullsh*t. Take a basic civics lesson to determine the role of various forms of government.

Do you even have an original thought? Do you read anything? Do you watch anything beyond Fox News - which isn't. The talking points are exactly what the ReThugs are handing out and you parrot them. They count on your ignorance and sloth. They count on you buying into their bullsh*t and lies, and you do because you're too lazy to think on your own, read or investigate.

Exactly right - Medicare, Medicaid - the VA system of medicine are prime examples of something akin to socialized medicine.

I'd even lay money down that the parrots don't even the tenets of socialism.


Posted by: ecophem | August 4, 2007 12:58 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279916&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279916%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Obviously all the anti-universal health care posters here have never been screwed over by their health insurance providers. Trust me, you WILL be. It's not a matter of IF. It's a matter of WHEN. THEN let's see you heartless hypocrites sit in judgment on this woman.

Repugs never cease to amaze me.

Posted by: ccatmoon | August 4, 2007 12:26 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279888&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279888%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

How much fun it must be to kick a hard working waitress with sick kids and medical bills that consume her. The American white male that bows down to Rush and Bill 'O to spew his hatred for anyone who doesn't look or think like him is the subject of a great quote by Scottish poet Robert Burns, "Man's inhumanity to man makes thousands mourn". Please, all of you, see "Sicko" when it comes out on DVD. The movie's major point is that America is a nation of "ME" and all the other industrialized nations have universal health care because they are nations that value "WE". If you are young enough and desire to have a family in a country that actually has family values, you best get to Canada before they close their borders to the Americans wishing to escape the fascists who destroyed the Constitution, and thus our once great democracy. This country is going to Hell in the proverbial hand basket. This lady speaks the truth to the powerful, who don't give a damn about her or her sick kids. Shame on America!

Posted by: allen11 | August 4, 2007 12:23 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279886&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279886%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Kudos to WaPo for showcasing this exchange between Romney and a real person out here living in a real world.

Some folks sneer about this woman having the audacity to demand that Romney cut the B.S. and get real -- they snicker about "socialized medicine" and "welfare" -- yet gladly do these folks stuff the have and have-mores pockets by supporting various billion-dollar enterprises with nary a furrowed brow about the CORPORATE welfare these various billion-dollar businesses receive on our backs in the form of paying little to no taxes. (Murdoch's News Corp. for one).

On whose backs do these people think it will now fall to sort out this sub-prime mortgage mess? Look in the mirror -- it's only a matter of time before big business will line up to receive corporate welfare to bail them out of yet another fine mess they've made.

In any case, the exchange between this woman and Romney was not about welfare, but about Romney cutting the B.S, and getting real; Romney came out the loser of that debate -- why? His barely-concealed contempt for the woman does him no favors.

Posted by: janedrake | August 3, 2007 11:58 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279853&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279853%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The Christian right condemns abortion but will deny mothers affordable health care by blaming her for bringing sick children into the world. The reason they believe everyone is evil is because they are evil.

Posted by: ldp1 | August 3, 2007 11:53 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279847&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279847%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

This is a spiritual issue. Many conservative Republicans, at a deeper level than they even realize, fear and dislike their fellow Americans and so feel no responsibility toward the common good. There is no reasoning with them. Conservatives, particularly 'Christian' conservatives, resent 'liberals' because liberals represent a standing rebuke to their selfishness and un-Christian attitudes. It's basically the same dynamic that goes on in school when the angry, suspicious, sullen kids from bad families bully and make fun of the kids from good families who are polite and perform well. Bush (notorious in high school and college for being emotionally stunted, intellectually limited, shallow, cowardly, and an underhanded bully) is the virtual prototype for this type of person. They are fundamentally deficient as human beings, but they comprise half the electorate. This is the USA, we have to deal with it.

Posted by: lgltch | August 3, 2007 11:42 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279843&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279843%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I actually stopped a die-hard Faux Noise-spouting Republican in a discussion the other day by linking three events: the bridge collapse, Bush threatening to veto the SCHIPS legislation and the War on Terror.

You see, from a historical perspective, for any nation to successfully wage and win a war, that nation requires a healthy citizenry (to be foot soldiers, officers, support, etc.) and a healthy infrastructure (manufacturing, transportation, electrical grids, bridges, etc.).

Thus, anything (or anyone) that undermines the potential "peak" health of a nation's citizens and a nation's infrastructure actually aids and abets that nation's enemies, by weakening a nation, instead of strenghtening it.

Which is exactly what the "no new taxes, cut taxes" Grover Norquist branch of the Republican Party has done. A withered branch dripping poison that has sapped our nation's strength and actually endangered all of us (including them).

This is what stopped my Republican friend in his tracks.

In Bush's "eternal" War on Terror, our nation needs all the healthy citizens humanly possible as well as a healthy infrastructure.

Plus, our nation needs a highly-educated citizenry.

Anything (or anyone) that undermines our being in "peak" fighting condition therefore must be undermining our ability to wage and win Bush's "eternal" War on Terror.

The "Grover Norquist" Republicans have attacked our nation's tax-base. They've attacked everything "public," in an attempt to privatize everything, with them being the new "owners" of our democracy, something they have designated as their "ownership society."

Thus, they've attacked public health initiatives, public schools, public roads, public bridges, public libraries, our public military, our public Constitution, our public Bill of Rights...everything public...in an attempt to convert everything meant for the public good into their "privatized" nest egg.

Which has actually sabotaged our nation's ability to wage and win Bush's "eternal" War on Terror...or any war, for that matter...including the war Bush started in Iraq.

Crazy, eh?

Posted by: wizard2000 | August 3, 2007 10:50 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279778&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279778%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

My health care is socialized. It's paid for 100 percent by the US Government/US Taxpayer. I get free physicals, free medicines, free glasses, free hearing aids (if needed), etc. I can apply for free lasik eye surgery. I get my regular paycheck when I'm at home recuperating from an illness/and or surgery. All this courtesy of socialize medicine. I'm ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY. If free health care is good enough for me, it should be the standard in America.

Posted by: robkelly2000 | August 3, 2007 9:54 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279711&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279711%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

It's not that a woman had four children and can't afford the outrageous costs our healthcare system imposes. The problem is that there are four kids who can't afford adequate healthcare.

These heartless Republicans would have us concentrate on the mother. The children are the issue, however. Republicans find it very easy to ignore children once they're born. Until they're born, even the lowliest embryo is worth fighting to the death for, but once that child is born, Republicans say, "Screw 'em!"

Posted by: washpost.20.arfarf | August 3, 2007 9:51 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279709&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279709%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Privatization allows companies to screw the people on a routine basis. It's happened over and over. Just consider the privatization in Iraq. Haliburton is obscenely ripping off the US taxpayer at a record rate.

It would not work as well as a government run program.
Consider two government run programs as examples - Medicare and Social Security. They run like clockwork. People get their checks without fail, and they get healthcare without problem. What is a problem is funding.
However if we can waste a trillion on this Iraq boondoggle, we can certainly take care of our own people. Priorities.........

Posted by: seustis | August 3, 2007 9:34 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279687&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279687%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Here is the ultimate insult to tax paying Americans. Mrs Griffin, a waitress who struggles paying her medical bills pays taxes which funds the Medicare and Medicaid programs. Yet, she as a solid middle class working woman gets nothing for it.

The beauty of single payer depends on the founding principle of taxation without representation or in this case, taxation without benefits. If we are to pay taxes, let's get something for our money. Under single payer everyone pays, but everyone also benefits. That is a strikingly fairer system and ironically, is also the cheapest way of providing universal health care for all Americans. It is time to stop propping up the insurance industry and recognize that they are the biggest obstacle to universal health care.

Posted by: macman2 | August 3, 2007 9:14 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279664&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279664%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

hey mikecarew13,

your stupidity is astonishing... how about you take care of that...????

little puddle maker.


we don't live seperated in the world...and you are no one....I am okay with that.


What I am not okay with is stupid selfish people spending all of the tax dollars that come in on their B.S.


WAR FRAUD programmes....you got a problem with that? we can talk about it.


1 TRILLION DOLLARS SPENT ON OUT OF COUNTRY WELFARE FOR BILLIONAIRES....


I gotta problem with that, when I see people with jobs and bad teeth that have been working at the same factory since the early 70's and their salary, and benefits have been cut back sooooooo much that they can't afford to get their teeth fixed and all of manufacturing is overseas...

wanna talk about it? mikecarew13, I will skin you and wear you around town...


let me know punk.

.

Posted by: afraidofme | August 3, 2007 9:01 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279650&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279650%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

First let me say I'm a Canadian living in China. When I hear about the evils of socialized medicine I must laugh. The costs in the USA are the highest in the world sucking the life out of the economy. Yes and please don't get thhose evil drugs from Canada who knows how they are made????

Everyday I see new plants being constructed and jobs flowing from the USA. Why well yes you pay lower taxes than most western governments but then really do you what are your health premiums????? What are you educational costs in universities ???

Soon USA health care will be on the par with China very bad except for those who have $$$$$ oh well thats already happened.

Condeming a hard working mother who likely would be better off on welfare is dispicable. Right wingers like pro family except if its quality of life, health care and education.
Cam

Posted by: cam_zymac | August 3, 2007 9:01 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279649&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279649%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Mikecarew13 said: "Wow. Have we as a nation become THAT pathetic. Mommy government must take care of me. Absolutly sickening!"

I think you are missing the point. Our nation isn't protecting us from over companies that are supposedly out there for the 'greater good' who are charging people like me an arm and a leg for basic life sustaining perscriptions. I need insulin injections to live and I have been told that I couldn't not re-fill the perscription that I NEEDED then and there because I had already filled my quota for the month - which left me paying $80-100 over the counter. I don't need a mom-and-pa-country. I need someone to step up to these bullies and ask for what is right. So that I, and other people like me with chronic illnesses, don't have to worry anymore!

Posted by: calotype | August 3, 2007 8:59 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279648&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279648%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

it's not so hard to do things so that our citizens have decent lives

there are alternatives to existing systeme

leaders that look a little bit more intelligently disposed towards making America work...

by making changes to legislation, social process, and education as well as supporting sustainable domestic energy policies...

I've already outlined a few examples of how I would change things...

with intervention in
schools, prisons....

a
reclaiming of abandoned resources, marginalized citizens.

interrupting the cycle of children raising children...with intervention....

training prisoners in counciling, anger management, 12 step programme, requiring that they work in prisons or halfway houses as terms for early release...
like that....

smart use of resources, not throwing dollars at it....

we don't need richer criminals we need people that can fish
as in give a man a fish, and he's hungry after that meal is gone
teach a man to fish, and he feeds himself...

without middle class blue collar work, you're future fishermen are bound to become brigands.

I'd probably use ENGINEERS, to look at the existing problems from a perspective of context... how to solve a situation within context of available resources..

like this:
when building a house you use the materials at hand...

desert houses are made from mud, sand, orgainic filler...straw
houses in the mountains from stone...

within the context of the problem,
what solution would make an ecologically sound response...

stages, multiple points working toward solution, pilot studies in parallel...

with communication between the programme.

I'd look at drugs, and work with that as a symptom rather than a problem, and address the problem(s)....

and ways to work with that...the solution would be a systeme of response....

not some testosterone driven stupid response like "Zero Tolerance" which filled our prisons with first time offendors and users... and was actually creating a demand for the drugs that George H.W. Bush was bringing in_country...

doubt me? good SEARCH on Gary Webb, Parry, George H.W. Bush, CIA, crack cocaine

I would remove DHS, and arrest Chertoff.

I'd make a stronger with INS, and ask that,

Countries at our borders start adhering to a code of conduct that would attract their people into staying in their countries...

and start creating policy to create that effect...

thoughtfully...

I'd put up tarrif barriers almost immediately,

with a 120 day warning period for withdrawing manufacturing from overseas....

I would require that laws passed to regulate be reviewed every periodically by a methode suggested by people on the projects....

in engineering feed-back loops, allow for adjustment of an ongoing process to correct for changes,

we need those in legislation.
I'd apply engineering principles to economies....

I would nuetralize people, that appealed to emotion, by exposing them as demagogues, preachers with a mission to increase their sunday take.

there is no reason for failure except that someone is skimming along the pathway....

If I had a chance I would order "enclosed safe-pillory" time for the senators that voted for "comity" and denyed the funds awarded to the Alaskan Bridge to Nowhere to Katrina rebuilding.

I would order an investigation by the FBI into Mississipi and Louisiana corruption....

and would establish FBI offices in New Orleans like they did in Atlanta...

I would order INS agents to be trained in terrorist and drug defense and I would remove the Bureau of Homeland Security and Bring the National Guard Home....

and a few other things that have to do with exposing religious _belief_ as something that is abhorrent to the working of the government....


there is no room for dogma in a flexible system....

And I would establish a system of legal intervention that would establish suggested basis for avoiding situations that were likely to develop _before_ they developed....

they would make recommendations....

like U.S. Companies being required to adhere to the same standards offshore that they have to meet here....


to avoid foreign competition from domestic companies, for preventing those same companies from damaging other environments, and so on...


other things like,
internet fraud, spamming by paid posters on websites as_if their opinions were independant...as a form of regulation of FRAUD...

that crimes, aren't covered by law yet, but resemble current offenses...there is no reason to presume that they are a different class of crime...they should be covered as soon as people start complaining...not through lawsuit...


I would make it so that being an American was something that people aspired to being like, but making sure that all countries were required to develop their own form of it and

quit doing business with theives as theives....like the BushCO CRONYISM for richkids do.

I would reward honesty and punish dishonesty....

I would talk to the Dali Lama.

I would hold Town Hall meetings and allow people to discuss things publically as a way of life....

I would encourage discussion, as a way of getting people involved and I would move towards restoring leisure time as a NECESSARY quality to avoiding being sold down the river again,

and along those lines I would reestablish a significant middle class and work towards college for all that wanted it...

I would also do something about suburban sprawl and the destruction of farmland by huge houses that had two people living in them, I would make city living so attractive that the problem would solve itself....

no commute time, real rail systems....

walking, biking like in Europe in-the-city...'

Portland Oregon is an example of a city that is beautiful, safe to live in and exercise is real part of everyday life for most....and salmon still run in the river that goes through the middle of the city....

I would restore image with reality....and remove image as a reliable judge of content....

I would teach the difference between the package and the content....

so we didn't have to learn this lesson again....that selfish people LIE


the truth,
it supports itself it doesn't need spin..

that's the truth

that what the neoCON artists that manipulate need to have happen to them...the truth...

you could help if you weren't so deep in your own ego....

Posted by: afraidofme | August 3, 2007 8:54 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279646&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279646%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"I just want him to start taking care of us Americans,"

Wow. Have we as a nation become THAT pathetic. Mommy government must take care of me. Absolutly sickening!

Here's an idea, how about I take care of myself and you take care of yourself?

Posted by: mikecarew13 | August 3, 2007 8:47 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279635&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279635%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

It is astonishing to see how much we've lost the concept of community. "To hell with the ...[insert something you are not here]." The notion that the mother with sick children made poor choices to get where she is is simplistic and demeaning. There are Mrs. Griffin clones being made hourly by irrational public and corporate policy that has seen a swelling of the ranks of the poor and the under-insured. Yet the moment an alternative to wasteful corporate greed is advanced, a moniker like "socialized medicine" is applied by those with no knowledge of the profound depth of the problem. Funny, I never see the term "socialized highway" or "socialized stoplight" to describe a vital system we all use, administered by a government agency.
The thoughtless, immature comments that excoriate an individual who cannot claim robust "mountain man" status and go through life devoid of governmental assistance, come from selfish individuals who ignore the fact that they enjoy orderly traffic, police and fire protection, safe medications, and thousands of safeguards that might once have been labeled "socialized." In another time, a horrified Bishop wrote, "they came for the Jews, but I wasn't Jewish, so I did not speak up."
He learned the hard way that community means more than our own tight clique. We must respect the Mrs. Griffins in our society, and many others who, by no fault of their own, suffer from the ignorance and greed of those more powerful than they. Even though you are not Mrs. Griffin, you must speak up.

Posted by: gwishon | August 3, 2007 8:44 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279631&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279631%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Someone suggested that drug companies do R&D only for common diseases. My mother was a victim of a horribly painful "orphan" disease. No existing medicine could cure or slow the disease. Each year she was more and more confined to her bed. No research, nothing.

When her doctor wanted her to go to the hospital for some testing that might help, her insurance was cancelled as soon as the company heard about it, before she could even get to the hospital. My father, a self-employed businessman, used all his savings trying to save my mother.

The only person who cared other than her family was her doctor, who made regular house calls and never sent a bill.

She died, but at least neither the insurance company or the drug companies had to pay out any money for her benefit. I'm sure the CEOs were happy to have the extra bonus money for cutting costs.

This is health care in America.

Posted by: ja.bowen | August 3, 2007 8:42 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279626&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279626%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

pv2333 , maybe you should learn to spell Carlyle Group, and maybe you should learn to use more than 600 words...

people like you that speak as_if everyone is either a liberal or a conservative, don't really have the thought capacity to adapt to change...

I have already said:

1. stop outsourcing.

2. arrest the EMPLOYERS of _ILLEGALS_

3. make it so that Corporations that used foreigners for manufacturing processes, were treated as

FOREIGN competition...


those three things would make for major change.

As would arresting those Complicit Congress people, and the WhiteHouse Con's piracy group...

IRAN CONTRA [thugs for drugs]
PNAC, AEI, AIPAC, JINSA [jews for genocide]
War Profiteers as an avocation...[whether we needed a war or not]

and Sand Bros. Collusionists [treason artists] James Baker III, George H.W. Bush and sons, Sununu...and so on...

the very fact that you ignore this cancer, speaks to your level of involvement and dishonesty....

the Republicans are acting against the best interests of the country....period.


I am pretty sure, that your party is going to disappear for that reason...

.

Posted by: afraidofme | August 3, 2007 8:40 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279623&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279623%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

How much worse can it get.How much more broken can our system get.I realize the universal health care model is not perfect as practiced now, but, is a system that allows 47 million to go uninsured working? Creates such havoc and inefficiency as our working? I , as a provider, am acutely aware of the stress of coping with this "mafia" system in our health care today. "Mafia" in that the collusion and corruption is rampant. To be specific, the dictates that force a patient to obtain medication via mailorder (to say nothing of the idiocy of procuring medication that way), the constraints and mandates on medications prescribed and when, to physicians by insurance companies, the circuitous, complex hoops that patients have to cope with to obtain health care, the control insurance has over payments given to every level of providers - it goes on and on.
Ok, the universal health care is problematical, challenging, well, so is Medicare, and it is essentially a 'universal health care plan', with the main parameter of age to qualify, and, it is imperfect, but working. Create a universal health care plan - this would allow the dissolution of all state welfare, dissolution of the expensive, punitive, inefficient insurance cartel, remove the need for so many well meaning but unnecessary indigent patient programs,charities,benefits(e.g. shriners, veterans health care, sample programs, and such a myriad of others - many of which could be absorbed and still utilized in a well run universal health care system), and, then levy a health care tax to everyone, including the 47 million uninsured, according to ability. I think we would all welcome it. Imagine, only being concerned with getting well ! Instead of worrying about insurance, lack thereof, etc,etc,! We all know many people, especially elderly and young, cannot cope with, understand the insurance programs and benefits of today, and, many workers unhappy with benefits are unable or too vulnerable to complain or fight the system given to them. It absolutely has to change ! I know that a lot of lobbying money will be gone for the legislators,but, there is still plenty left in the other fields - utilities, oil, etc. - let us fix health care now! No American should have to cope with this horrible system - it insults our intelligence to say it cannot work!

Posted by: mgiordano80 | August 3, 2007 8:25 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279615&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279615%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The woman is married and has 3 kids. Isn't that what the right wing Christianists want? A family? She's worked at the diner for 12 years, and her husband works 2 jobs. Get off this woman's back and give her some credit for doing the right thing in the face of all that adversity. Diabetic supplies without insurance are not cheap. Insulin, which we depend on to live, is now over $100 a bottle. Then you have to pay for your syringes, your blood glucose testing supplies (so you can stay in good control and not become blind with kidney failure and neuropathy or retinopathy). I think her point is "why can't I get the $10 co-pay for my prescriptions?" The folks who are so hellbent on calling names and telling us they should have the support her kids are way off the mark. She's not asking you to support her kids, she asking for the same benefit that Mr. "Family Man" Romney has. Why shouldn't she? As an insulin-dependent diabetic myself, I identify with her in many ways. If I didn't have health insurance provided by my employer (and it's still not as good Mr. Romney's), I'd be dead. I was raised as a Catholic, and I'm pretty sure that the message I was supposed to take away from it all is: love God, love each other, and care for those among you who need help (you're also supposed to visit folks in jail, but ...). Frankly, if Joshua came back and read the posts by our right wing friends, who do you think he would not allow into heaven? All you creeps should apologize to that woman for the hateful and ignorant things you are saying. Compassionate conservatism. Just another fraud perpetrated on the United States by the President and the Republican Party. Washington needs an enema is a huge way. Throw ALL the bums out. Hopefully, they can take their rotten constituents with them.

Posted by: kasenenkop | August 3, 2007 7:42 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279567&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279567%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

A famous conservative (Classical liberal) said that each person only has the right to take from the commons what he can use (need). He influenced the founders much. His name was John Locke.

Posted by: jlz0712 | August 3, 2007 7:27 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279533&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279533%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

afraidofme...Yes, I am afraid. Close minded morons like you scare me. Ideologues like you prevent real change in this country. There is no discussion, only attacks. So there are never solutions, only victories for one side against the other. You are sad. You obviously have spent a lot of time reading the many posts on this board, some very hateful, no doubt, yet instead of giving ideas you attack and insult...the same lib "Halliburton!!! Carlisle Group!!! garbage. To quote you...puleeeeze. Grow up and give us some ideas.

Posted by: pv2333 | August 3, 2007 7:07 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279496&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279496%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Where's my post? Do we have some kind of an inane censor on these blogs?

Posted by: igorvitch33 | August 3, 2007 7:05 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279493&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279493%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Maybe if Republicans like Romney got out of bed with the insurance companies we'd get somewhere with health care in this country. My daughter's a physician and she absolutely detests the interference and mickey mouse rules of the insurance companies. Tell me. Why can Romney have a measly $10 co-pay on meds while the rest of us get held up for our medicines? The answer's simple: Republicans are suck-ups to the drug companies also.

You know, Some of the posts by Republicans towards this lady with legitimate problems and backbreaking medical bills are simply the antithesis of what so many self-righteous conservatives claim to be: can you imagine Jesus giving her the kind of crass and totally lacking in compassion responses some of these hypocrites did. I'm not into name-calling as so many Republicans are, but there is a LARGE difference from talking Christianity and living it, and merely talking it and then treating people as if they were dirt because they are poor and working so hard to make ends meet is blatant HYPOCRISY.

Actually, it comes as a major surprise that in all of these "nice" and almost always staged Republican gatherings they forgot the waitress might not fit in with the rest of the crowd. Outspoken common people who have her kind of concerns are usually excluded.

As long as I'm venting, I'm from Minnesota, the state that just experienced a horrifying, disastrous major bridge collapse. Our wonderful new Senator Amy Klobuchar commented that in America there should not be bridges falling down. Well, folks, because of these taxpayer associations who virtually control conservative politics, we've opted to give totally needless tax cuts to the ultra-rich while ignoring for years the infrastructure of this country that benefits ALL Americans and, as we've sadly learned with both Katrina and the bridge catastrophe keeps them safe also. Our need for more and more personal wealth and luxuries has co-opted our traditional and patriotic duty to invest in our country. Our parents and grandparents would look at us as spoiled, greedy children who demand more and more from our country and want to give less and less, and they would be right! Wake up Americans! All the hollow political rhetoric about how great America is not actual patriotism. Our love for our country demands that we put our money where our phony mouths are. You don't grow and improve a business without investing in it, nor do you do the same for a country without investing in it.

Posted by: igorvitch33 | August 3, 2007 6:59 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279480&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279480%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Any fool could see that was a hack job. She never stated who she was paying a 1,000 a month to (nice round off the top of her head figure) proves she's a liar. Not once did she state what plan she had to make 30 dollar co-payments.

That lyin-toothless 50 a day hamburger gulping sweathog should be bent over a John Deer hood with engine running and horse whipped

King Chevy

Posted by: chevy55sc | August 3, 2007 6:57 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279475&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279475%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

It is obscene and immoral that the USA, the richest country in the world, has one of the poorest health care systems in the industrialized world. Meanwhile, we allow our government to spend billions on a war that is designed to protect rich Americans and corporations to assure that we can access oil in Iraq. Is that called socialized domestic aid? Let us cut through the crap about socialized medicine, the boogyman manufactured by republicians and medical-insurance-industrial lobbiests who want to make sure they can keep American families dependent on them. Government, meaning you and me, must contribute money---our money---to reduce the costs of staying alive and healthy in the USA. Call it what you want. Low and middle income Americans need financial help to survive this national disgrace.

Posted by: wjb122272 | August 3, 2007 6:52 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279466&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279466%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

While it is irresponsible to have more kids than you can afford (and no, just because you can have kids does not mean people should support you), the state of our health care is monopolistic at best. I've been to developing countries where its citizens have better and cheaper (fraction) access to medicine and drugs. The conglomorates and drug cartels (Pharm companies) are smart to limit foreign generic drugs while keeping the price sky high. Of course they will try to scare you (along with the Congressional lobbyist in their backpocket) that these drugs are 'unsafe', etc. It is bunch of bullcrap - 99% of drugs made here or elsewhere are chemically identical. The combination of beauracracy and greed is the problem. Sometimes greed isn't so good if it is controlled by a few for the benefit of the few. That is exactly the situation with our health care in our country.

Posted by: crdiner | August 3, 2007 5:58 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279374&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279374%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Adults reflect the value systems of their parents. Therefore, we must forgive all of the "strict father morality" types for their irreligious opinions. It is not their fault that they are hypocrits. Even so, one does have to wonder how many goodies they are receiving from the government for which they have not paid.

Posted by: marrobcastle | August 3, 2007 5:58 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279372&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279372%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

we have never, since the Great Depression or during, seen this lack of thoughfulness,


in governance....this CLASS SELFISHNESS.

The destruction of the middle class by out sourcing.


Beleeme, the Beltway surrounding D.C. does not contain the entire U.S. economy....

that right now, it is the only economy that the Congress seems aware of is apparent in the amount of dollars in Tax Dollars going into DoD or related causes _IS_ where

the bulk of U.S of A. dollars are going needs to be discussed. USSR went under by putting all of it's eggs in DoD...


that worked for them right? And we do have the smartest and most insightful WhiteHouse that we have had since JFK right???


pu leeeeeeeeeeze.

.

Posted by: afraidofme | August 3, 2007 5:57 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279367&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279367%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Take a look at the posts like those from King Chevy and his type. We all knew them in school...the neanderthal bully types.
Now give these worms an education, make them videogenic.... and we see them on TV or hear them on radio. Their names are O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, Bush, Cheney,and that psycho blond attack poodle Ann Coulter who somehow gets on TV (because hate sells!) as a commentator.
the names are different, but the sickness of the soul is the same. It seems somehow that they never got over their sibling rivalry. They whine about anything that is not for them, and might help somebody else.
Someday Conservative Cognitive Personality Disorder (Yes I just made that up! CCPD for short!) will be recognized as a true illness with delusional/paranoid thinking.
ANY RESPONSIBLE JOURNALISTIC ORGANIZATION WOULD BAN THEM.

Posted by: rh1037b | August 3, 2007 5:54 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279358&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279358%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I am sorry,


you don't consider the ILLEGAL OCCUPATION OF IRAQ,

to be charity?


how stupid are you?

who is benefiting?


Haliburton, Bechtel, Carlyle Group, Blackwater...


and what are they delivering?


show me the cost benefits analysis


....or STFU


.

Posted by: afraidofme | August 3, 2007 5:51 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279347&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279347%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

This is really an issue of the role of government. Should charity be legislated? For those who say yes, please remember you do not have to wait for tax increases to pay extra to the government or any other organization. What are you waiting for? Do you really give as much as you can afford to help those in need? Please think about that answer before you demand that others pay more. Aren't the two largest philanthropers Gates and Buffet? They give by choice and set a great example. Should their taxes be higher, or do we like the BILLIONS they have given by their own choice and in the ways they choose. If our taxes were lower and we had more money to do with what we choose, would more people give within their own community? Isn't that a better option than letting the goverment try to dole it out? Food for thought.

Posted by: pv2333 | August 3, 2007 5:42 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279317&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279317%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

the WEALTHIEST COUNTRY ON EARTH spends all of its money supporting the wealthiest 1/3 of 1 PerCENT of the people living in the United States....

Canada88 sayz: "The conservatives and right-wingers who comment on this blog thread distort the facts, spout hateful rhetoric, and display such selfishness.

Is that what America has become?"

no, just the wealthiest 1/3 of 1 PerCENT...who control the United States Economy,

by stacking all of the legislation in their favor.


we even fund their business ventures in which they control the largest OPIUM/HEROIN CROP IN THE WORLD as well as steal oil from yet another indigenous population and they get to call it....


"supporting the war effort"

Posted by: afraidofme | August 3, 2007 5:40 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279312&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279312%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Politicians take 50 words to say what could be said in 5 all to avoid answering the question, "straight talk express" included. Snake oil salesmen.

Posted by: ashabot | August 3, 2007 5:38 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279307&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279307%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

According to Time magazine:

The waitress came rushing out of the diner in Manchester, N.H., with a guest book for Joe Biden to sign and stayed to tell a story. Her name was Michelle Griffin, and she had just returned to work after being ill for two years. Her husband was working two jobs.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1644834,00.html

She is not on welfare, she is a working mother. She is not single, but married to a man who works two jobs.

What do conservatives, Republicans and Libertarians want? The current compassionate conservative Republican administration wants to preserve marriage; overturn Roe v. Wade; encourage people to lift themselves out of poverty; and not mandate business to provide health coverage.

What should that woman have done after a third child, if, in fact, she had another? Abortion? You right-wingers want to deny the right to choice to other Americans? If she didn't want to have another child, should she get divorced and be abstinent? I thought you were in favor of families?

The conservatives and right-wingers who comment on this blog thread distort the facts, spout hateful rhetoric, and display such selfishness.

Is that what America has become?

Posted by: Canada88 | August 3, 2007 5:28 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279276&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279276%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

in quality of healthcare in the world today...

the United States ranks at 37th.


the WEALTHIEST COUNTRY ON EARTH spends all of its money supporting the wealthiest 1/3 of 1 PerCENT of the people living in the United States....


by stacking all of the legislation in their favor.


we even fund their business ventures in which they control the largest OPIUM/HEROIN CROP IN THE WORLD as well as steal oil from yet another indigenous population and they get to call it....


"supporting the war effort"


think I am crazy about Cheney, BushCO connection to drug running good.


search on Gary Webb, Parry, Letter of Understanding...

read the letter of understanding that gives the CIA permission to run drugs in Central and South America and AFGHANISTAN and not have to report on the particulars or PROFITS...

I understand, AFGHANISTAN will be worth about $342 BILLION DOLLARS this year alone...


are you AMERICANS paying for any HEROIN ADDICTED ADDICTS THAT CHENEY IS MAKING MONEY OFF OF?????

READ THIS:
Just as the Iran-Contra scandal evolved to include drug smuggling, the Iraq War also is closely related to drug smuggling. While the Bush regime has so far managed to keep the drug smuggling aspects of the war from reaching the media, evidence is beginning to emerge. The evidence comes largely from a former FBI translator turned whistle-blower, Sibel Edmonds. Hired to translate intercepted messages soon after 9/11 this Turkish lady first blew the whistle on the FBI for dragging its feet. She has state emphatically that she has seen documents that prove the Bush administration was fully aware of the terrorist attack before 9/11. While ATTORNEY GENERAL JOHN ASHCROFT, has imposed a gag order on her, this courageous lady has only been able to speak in generalized terms. However, she has repeatedly stated that when viewed as an international drug smuggling operation the picture becomes clear.

Sibel Edmonds has provided a huge clue in her generalized statements, a clue that points directly at the BUSH FAMILY and DICK CHENEY. Haliburton the oil services company formerly headed by CHENEY has a long history of involvement in drug smuggling and gunrunning especially through its Brown and Root subsidiary. Brown and Root also has a long history of providing cover for CIA agents. In the late 1970s Brown and Root was implicated in drug smuggling and gunrunning from oil platforms in the Gulf of Mexico built by Brown and Root and using ships owned by Brown and Root. In the 1990s Brown and Root was implicated in smuggling heroin to Europe through Russia. The heroin originated in Laos.

The Russian incident surfaced in 1995 after thieves stole sacks of heroin concealed as sugar from a rail container leased by Alfa Echo. Authorities were alerted to the problem after residents of Khabarovsk, a Siberian city became intoxicated from consuming the heroin. Alfa Echo is part of the Russian Alfa group of companies controlled by Mikhail Fridman and Pyotr Aven. The FSB, the Russian equivalent of the FBI firmly proved a solid link between Alfa Tyumen and drug smuggling. The drug smuggling route was further exposed after the Ministry of Internal Affairs raided Alfa Eko buildings and found drugs and other compromising documentation. Under Cheney's leadership of Haliburton, Brown and Root received a taxpayer insured loan through the Export-Import Bank of $292 million dollars for Brown and Root to refurbish a Siberian oil field owned by Alfa Tyumen. The Alfa Bank is also implicated in money laundering for the Colombian cocaine cartels.

THERE IS $80 BILLION IN UNRECORDED PROFITS IN THE FIRST STEP OF AFGHANI OPIUM COLLECTION, refinement...three steps later it could be worth $400 BILLION, in unrecorded profits...

Posted by: afraidofme | August 3, 2007 5:25 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279265&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279265%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I can't believe the gall of anyone questioning an honest, working person's decisions about having children.

As someone mentioned before, the line about the US having the best health care in the world is propaganda. Do a little hard research. Just as one example, in a comparison based on many different measures of health & health care, the British spend half as much as Americans and are twice as healthy.

I'm also sick of people pointing a finger and crying "Socialism" like it's an insult. The developed countries with the highest standards of living and best educated citizens are all mixed systems. There are socialist and capitalist aspects of their economies.

I am also sick of people acting like if the government does anything besides wage war, it is stealing and overreaching its authority. The same people who run that line are also eager to use eminent domain to demolish your house for a shopping mall, do away with habeas corpus, and generally restrict the freedom of anyone other than a corporation.

Our government (and it is OUR government, not THE government) exists for the common defense, yes. But it also exists to provide for the shared interests of all its citizens that would not be effectively delivered otherwise.

The fire department, the roads, and the school that prepare our kids for a top tier college as well as high priced prep schools are just a few examples of these things(Yes, when not sandbagged by counterproductive, right-wing required bureaucracy, the schools work much better than the propaganda would have you believe; I speak from experience. But education is a whole other rant.). Health care, history is showing, is another one.

Do a rigorous ROI analysis of what our government delivers in exchange for what we pay it. It gives us a hell of a lot more value than private companies trying to do the same thing. If you doubt it, ask to see the invoices Halliburton and Blackwater present to our government for the private portions of the Iraq war.

Handing these things over to private corporations rather than the democratic institution that answers to its people is not a Great Efficiency or an advance. It is a sneaky route back to feudalism, only this time your overlords are called C-level executives instead of Kings.

I am in favor of private business conducted in a free society; our prosperity depends on it. But it seems to me that that is not exactly what is going on. When the only clause in the social contract is "every man for himself," we are all poorer in both our spirits and our bank accounts.

Posted by: blue.mook.47 | August 3, 2007 5:12 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279226&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279226%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Ok, does anybody here know how to report someone and get them blocked? IS ANYBODY FROM THE WASHINGTON POST READING CHEVY'S POSTS, OBVIOUSLY HE NEEDS TO BE BLOCKED.

Posted by: rh1037b | August 3, 2007 5:09 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279217&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279217%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

King Chevy, still waiting on your response.
(rjww66).

What's a matter, not quick enough or not smart enough.

You know how to scroll up don't you?

Posted by: rjww66 | August 3, 2007 5:04 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279202&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279202%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

what a lot of you fail to acknowledge is that those who want the government to work in a way that most favors them are asking for is socialized government...


tailored to meet their personal needs..


what Chevy, degrader of women isn't telling you is that he is


deeply invested in war profiteering....he wants you to fund the IRAQ OCCUPATION...


he hides that behind his "soft" feelings of patriotism...


the only difference between the people that care about people and Chevy is that Chevy only cares about himself....and he is willing to jerk the government around to get his needs met, even if they are not legitimate...


as in the illegal invasion and occupation of country on false pretenses to acquire OIL....


Chevy and others here are all for that, spending your TAX dollar on their contracting company....falsely, with no good effect from it....

gas won't be cheaper, the BushCO Crony company will have control of it and you the people that funded the acquisition will not benefit from their control of it


BushCo CRONY INCORPORATED will...


that is what CHENEY, Chevy and Kabuki are not telling you...
.


.

.

CHEVEY isa bleeding heart for getting your tax dollars spent on his private interests, upto and including defrauding you...


he needs to be plowed under and have his estates liquidated to redress the invasion of another country as a business venture...

he needs to lose his freedom and cough up your tax dollars that he defrauded you out of...


if he was a car salesman, he would face a lawsuit, if anyone died because of his actions he would at the very least face manslaughter charges...if he knew that they would die, it could be murder he was charged with...


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these same people are posting here, talking trash about working poor

.


they ought to be taken to the cleaners and start over with nothing, if they are not executed for their crimes.

.

Posted by: afraidofme | August 3, 2007 5:04 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279199&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279199%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Please NO more news stories from 50 a day burger gulping toothless sweathogs. God what a sickening sight. WaPo you ever and i do mean EVER show a pig like that again while I'm eating lunch you and I are going to tumble.

King Chevy

Posted by: chevy55sc | August 3, 2007 4:59 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279183&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279183%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

chevy55sc
Real Name: Chevy
Nickname: Chev
Location: Rockland, NY
Age: 163
Marital Status:
Married
Sex: Male
Occupation: Plowing Women
Hobbies: Plowing Women, Digital Photography, Reading the Enquier & Globe, going to Church
Favorite Quote: If only stupidity was painfull

I guess it hurts being you Chevy!
I think you suffer from the same illness all neocons suffer...



Posted by: rh1037b | August 3, 2007 4:40 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279128&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279128%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Chevy, post a picture please. I have a mental one of a fat, beer-drinking, NASCAR-loving red-neck with poor sanitary habits. Am I close? "Plowing women" it is my experience that men who talk like this are getting their loving from PALMula HANDerson!

Semmi, sure smaller government, less taxes sounds good, but is it worth taking a chance on botulism everytime you eat. Do you care if your infant is playing with toys with leaded paint, do you want to take your life in your hands every time you cross a bridge? These are the things are government should be doing for us. Which of these services would you get rid of?

Posted by: rjww66 | August 3, 2007 4:39 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279122&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279122%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

semmes , you go and ask the church to help in your health care bill ? how do you enjoy the news that bush subsidises oil companies with 10 billion in quarterly profits. isnt it fun ?

Posted by: ResidentofUnitedStates | August 3, 2007 4:28 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279087&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279087%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Sure videotape the toothless one who's probably out humpin anyone that would dare do such a sin to their private parts.

The reporter who filmed that 50 a day burger gulping sweathog s/b fired for disturbing my lunch here at work. One look at the toothless one made me ill.

Chevy

Posted by: chevy55sc | August 3, 2007 4:22 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279059&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279059%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Buncha friggin' rightwing hypocrites!!! No, they don't want socialized medicine - as if ANYONE who has used that term here even knows what it actually means - until it's them or someone they care about who needs it.

THEN the government is responsible for EVERYTHING! And they sure better get what they've "paid" for with their taxes all these years! Medicare! Medicaid! Veterans' benefits! Social Security! But only for us righties - the rest of you can go screw yourselves!

I am SICK of you rightie scumbags. But I can't afford insurance for THAT illness either!

Posted by: richmiles | August 3, 2007 4:20 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279053&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279053%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

peghop,
sorry you aren't wealthy. neither am i. but we drive on. family, church, friends--all these can help you. but it's dangerous to ask the government to assume your care. so many others would have to surrender their property and their rights to provide you with "free" care. let the government stay out of it. who buys your groceries or your gas? not the government.
we should be decreasing the size of gov't, not increasing it.

Posted by: semmes | August 3, 2007 4:15 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279037&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279037%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

In the last 50 years we've seen a huge increase in the occurances of cancers, heart disease, obesity and auto-immune diseases. This is commonly the in all western, affluent lifestyles.

A focus on the causes and preventions would ease the burden now placed on our personal health care system. In the long term, medications are not the solution.

It really comes down to how you want to live the last 20 years of your life. If we want it to be pleasant and vibrant, we will need to focus on the FAB FIVE: 1. Eat the best foods (less meat/dairy and more whole foods/plant based), 2. Daily exercise, 3. Good nights sleep 4. 20 min. of sunshine everyday, and 5. 6-8 glasses of water a day.

What we need are more solutions to life's issues that can be solved by individuals. If that doesn't work, then they should look for help from family, church, community and lastly the state.

Posted by: jskousen | August 3, 2007 4:13 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279032&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279032%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

glenp55
i agree with the biblical exhortations.
however, they are directed to individuals, not governments.
but i'm all for private charities, like the free health clinic here in my small town that takes all comers.

Posted by: semmes | August 3, 2007 4:11 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201279023&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1279023%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

To semmes: I am a single mother who WAS married...I AM NOT - a sobbing single mom who decided to have kids without taking husband. Your ignorance is obvious by the comment you made. I have provided for my children on one salary but because there are businesses out there like the insurance companies who are making as much money as they can without providing a service that is affordable, you will have people crying for help! You MORON!

Posted by: peghop | August 3, 2007 3:56 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278975&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278975%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Our Fire Dept's, Police Dep's and Schools are "Socialized" It is up to the Government to care for it's people. There is no more competition left to drive prices lower, so they will continue to rise.

When I was in Italy, I was treated at the hospital for free, yes it can happen here if politicians will just grow a pair.

Posted by: tyross | August 3, 2007 3:52 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278961&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278961%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

what good is health insurance when it can and is denied with regularity and high handed impunity bu the very people whose girlfriends have gotten boob jobs and live in houses 100 percent paid for by poor people who were and are constantly lied to by a bunch of worthless non productive SOCIALIST style MANDATED LEACHES. That is the socialist way ,force people to pay and give them nothing for their trouble but inferior or no care at all. Medicine is poor in this country. At least see the movie "SICKO" before you shoot your meaningless MSM party line slogans which are largely based on the stupid lies and propaganda of fellow leaches and their joint suck clubs.

Posted by: kipathan | August 3, 2007 3:49 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278946&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278946%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

She's a married working mother of three; her husband works two jobs. According to Time magazine:

The waitress came rushing out of the diner in Manchester, N.H., with a guest book for Joe Biden to sign and stayed to tell a story. Her name was Michelle Griffin, and she had just returned to work after being ill for two years. Her husband was working two jobs. They were putting two daughters through college.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1644834,00.html

Posted by: Canada88 | August 3, 2007 3:44 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278929&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278929%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Chevy, seriously, shouldn't you be focusing on your upcoming predator trial? How was meeting Chris Hanson? "plowing women"? BWHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAA! Does playstation really count? Shoo fly...

Posted by: LABC | August 3, 2007 3:44 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278924&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278924%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Response to rjww66
You're hearing from part of the right, but not the Christian right.

Galatians 6:2,5 verse 2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. (help each other with burdens that are too heavy for one person) verse 5 For each one shall bear his own load. (carry your own fair share, a load like a back-pack that might require effort but is managable) NKJV
Notes in parenthases relate to the original meaning in the original lanquage.

Posted by: glenp55 | August 3, 2007 3:42 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278911&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278911%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

To see what Congressman Kucinich is working toward, visit http://www2.kucinich.us/issues/universalhealth.php
The new Kucinich web site is at http://www.dennis4president.com/, but they're still building it. In any case, Kucinich is an inspiration. At least one of our candidates is doing something.

Also, visit Michael Moore's website at /www.michaelmoore.com. You can send your story.
Regards,
Bob

Posted by: rjjd | August 3, 2007 3:40 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278904&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278904%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Semmes said: "I meant pay the doctor with your money instead of the insurance company."


Well that would be all fine and well. I visit the doctor every three months to monitor my blood sugar levels and to make sure that my body is still in good shape.

Let us now review the medications that I am on without the assistance of a co-pay:
I am on two types of insulin - Lantus ($80 per vial, each vial lasts about a month/month and a half), Novolog (Penfill - $120 every month/month and a half), test strips that I use to test my blood sugar ($80 for 100 strips, I go through about two boxes every month because of the diabetes care regime I'm under currently. I have to been in tight control the maintain my health)

Then I have lab work. Every three months when I see my doctor I have to do a HA1c. They also check to make sure that I don't have protein my urine, as that would be a sign of a major malfunction. Thus far I have been lucky.

Then we have the hospital. When I get..let's say a flu (with vomiting, etc) I have to go to the hospital for a little visit that might span a few days. Why? Because if I can't keep food down, then I can't control my blood sugar. That means I have to be hooked up and monitored at the hospital - I can't do it at home. That can be really expensive out of pocket.

So tell me Semmes, where can a girl with administrative/graphic design/marketing skills and a four year degree get a job making 100K+ a year? I figure that would be the amount I would need to make in order to off set all of these medical expenses that I am paying for out of pocket. I have to have insurance - and all I am asking for is for it to be easier to obtain it, even with my pre-exiting. Cheaper drugs! Cheaper co-pays! I'm fairly certain that is what this waitress wants too.

Posted by: calotype | August 3, 2007 3:39 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278900&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278900%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

what a lot of you fail to acknowledge is that those who want the government to work in a way that most favors them are asking for is socialized government...


tailored to meet their personal needs..


what Chevy, degrader of women isn't telling you is that he is


deeply invested in war profiteering....he wants you to fund the IRAQ OCCUPATION...


he hides that behind his "soft" feelings of patriotism...


the only difference between the people that care about people and Chevy is that Chevy only cares about himself....and he is willing to jerk the government around to get his needs met, even if they are not legitimate...


as in the illegal invasion and occupation of country on false pretenses to acquire OIL....


Chevy and others here are all for that, spending your TAX dollar on their contracting company....falsely, with no good effect from it....

gas won't be cheaper, the BushCO Crony company will have control of it and you the people that funded the acquisition will not benefit from their control of it


BushCo CRONY INCORPORATED will...


that is what CHENEY, Chevy and Kabuki are not telling you...

.

Posted by: afraidofme | August 3, 2007 3:39 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278899&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278899%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Wow, these comments from conservatives are starting to depress me. "Why four kids?" Are you pro-abortion or pro-life? Please make up your minds. Did she know they were going to have medical problems? If she did, should she have aborted at that time. An uninsured pox on the lot of you. I thought the Right was claiming to be the moral party and the Left were the "Godless". I think the righties that have been responding to this blog should take out their bibles when they get home and ask themselves "What would Jesus do about the uninsured?"

Posted by: rjww66 | August 3, 2007 3:30 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278858&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278858%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

A candidate being confronted. Opposed. Drawn in to a give-and-take with someone who isn't a supporter.
Does anyone remember the first four years of Bush's presidency? How RARELY he addressed the public. To this day, his public-speaking venues are filled with approved seat-warmers. Maybe this moment of truth for the waitress -- and this election cycle -- will be a reminder to all Americans that politicians work for US, answer to US, and can be fired by US. No more filtered commentary. No more voter-fear of being chastised at best, arrested at worst. Simply, no more. I hope everyone wakes from their 6-year sleep and remembers what it means to live in a true democracy. It's our right and our responsibility to participate as citizens -- caretakers -- of America.

Posted by: slmccall | August 3, 2007 3:25 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278838&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278838%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Everyone in Congress has socialized medicine. I would gladly settle for the quality of care they get as well as the cost.

The cost for my family is now $1150/month and I was just advised that it would go to $1336, plus the co-pays.

I applaud that woman's question: "What about my family?" It is a question I repeatedly ask everytime I hear a Republican candidate or many Democrats spout classic drivel about being pro-family. What about my family?

An elderly neighbor of mine, twice divorced, just began collecting her first husband's social security payment because he passed away several months back. This widow can now stay in her home and she previously thought she might be be forced to sell.

My partner of 35 years and I do not have that financial security, courtesy of a caring government. Still we pay hefty double social security taxes because we are self-employed. WHAT ABOUT MY FAMILY?

As for the mean-spirited, nasty comments I have seen posted here concerning the situation of the waitress in New Hampshire: Shame on you. Whatever happened to love thy neighbor?

Posted by: alanm444 | August 3, 2007 3:21 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278825&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278825%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Everyone in Congress has socialized medicine. I would gladly settle for the quality of care they get as well as the cost.

The cost for my family is now $1150/month and I was just advised that it would go to $1336, plus the co-pays.

I applaud that woman's question: "What about my family?" It is a question I repeatedly ask everytime I hear a Republican candidate or many Democrats spout classic drivel about being pro-family. What about my family?

An elderly neighbor of mine, twice divorced, just began collecting her first husband's social security payment because he passed away several months back. This widow can now stay in her home and she previously thought she might be be forced to sell.

My partner of 35 years and I do not have that financial security, courtesy of a caring government. Still we pay hefty double social security taxes because we are self-employed. WHAT ABOUT MY FAMILY?

As for the mean-spirited, nasty comments have seen posted here concerning the situation of the waitress in New Hampshire: Shame on you. Whatever happened to love thy neighbor?

Posted by: alanm444 | August 3, 2007 3:21 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278823&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278823%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I love how the libs keep reposting their same talking points over and over. Keep chanting the mantra, maybe someone will actually believe it if they hear it enough times. I wonder how many of these repetitive posters are actually who they say they are? Roger D Hamer MD, I'm looking at you. Most likely the vast majority are regular posters on DailyKos. That seems to be the norm nowadays, these unemployed losers have nothing better to do, instead of looking for work, they flood internet forums with their twisted viewpoints. Its as true here as it is on youtube.

Posted by: AndrewKSurprise | August 3, 2007 3:18 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278818&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278818%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Which way is it going to be Conservatives?

The right to life and the demonizing of contraceptives or ridiculing someone and blaming their plight on their decision to have four children? You can't have your cake and eat it too here.

How dare you people criticize this working class woman with a real life problem? She didn't choose to have kids with diseases that need medication. Worry about the 2x4 in your own eye before you start complaining about a toothpick in someone else's.

It's called compassion, learn it sometime.

Posted by: rpesold | August 3, 2007 3:18 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278817&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278817%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"What's in it for me? What's in it for my family?"

Well, you were just two years on disability. Who paid for that? She has two children with diseases. Now she wants us to pay for that more of that. Sorry, life is a journey and she got the bargain package.

Life isn't easy for everybody. Romney probably doesn't need health insurance but he probably has the best. He is rich.

The world isn't fair. She will have to struggle her whole life. So will her kids. Romney didn't make the rules. Romney didn't pick his place in the world. It just happens.

I'm entitled to a good life with no worries and lots of TV and beer. Bull. You are free to pursue happiness but that does not guarantee you'll catch it. C'est la vie (that's for Pres. Sarkozy).

The people who hold her up as a shining example of Romney getting flattened by a citizen are outof their minds. She was loud dullard who parroted the questions that have been handed to her by the left and which actually have no substance.

And to the author of the article, MA does have mandatory health requirements. It is going to take a miracle to ever get a non-conservative to ever, EVER give Mitt credit for that.

Jaxon1 - right on, end the subsidies. If you can't make it, you disappear.

Posted by: dana.thurston | August 3, 2007 3:17 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278812&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278812%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

semmes you open up another aspect to the debate.

Choose not to have insurance? Fine, but what about those folks who are turned down for insurance because of pre-existing conditions or those who could get insurance through a union guaranteed health plan? I could do that but it would cost me $8000 each year without any guarantees that changes won't be made to the plan, such as redistributing the costsharing of the pharmacy benefit to favor common generic drugs and penalize for usage of non-preferred brand or self-injectible meds...the very same meds from drug companies who file in court for patent extensions and who tout their "blockbuster" meds to their stockholders.

Then regarding savings. In general we are told to save our money (choosetosave.org). We are told to take control of our retirement (remember those privitization pushes). We are encouraged to be entrepreneurs but are then doubled-taxed and not granted equal breaks compared to large corporations.

If you go out and get private insurance (non-group), then the state is responsible for directing the minimum benefit coverage which the insurance company must provide. However, often the state may direct that the insurance provider must include pharmacy benefit, but how that is to be structured is up to the insurance company. Or live in a state which does not allow for a self-employed person to create a group of one as some states do as group coverage falls under federal review.

Then, if you dare develop a chronic illness for which there is no cure and the cause is unknown, you were wise to save and be financially responsible. Because you may have been mildly successful and were looking out for your future, you are not considered needy. If you have any resources, including IRAs, you must exhaust those resources and sometimes be dragged so deep in debt that bankruptcy is the only option and not an advisable one at that.

It is absolutely possible that you might earn 250% federal poverty level and still be expected to pay out-of-pocket at least 50% of your income for just a portion of your healthcare needs.

Don't be so arrogant to think that those persons who want to support single-payer health insurance are simply wanting government handouts. I listened to the advise coming out of Congress and the White House to take charge of my own future. And what did it get me? To be able to request assistance in obtaining the medical care I need, I must never earn more than 200% poverty level while I live in an area where the mean income level is closer to 800-900% federal poverty level.

Does that sound about right to you?

Posted by: lkemrich | August 3, 2007 3:15 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278807&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278807%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"Great! I should just start saving up right now..oh wait. Can't. Insurance companies refuse to insure me."

I meant pay the doctor with your money instead of the insurance company.

Posted by: semmes | August 3, 2007 3:13 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278800&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278800%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

semmmes - "..."No question you can get the best care here..." An urban legend. Health care in the United States ranks at the BOTTOM of Western countries in terms of quality of service. The WHO runs an annual study of this and every year since 2000, we have been ranked right down there with the Sudan. The best health care in the world is available in France, followed by Italy, Spain, Oman, Austria Japan, Denmark, Sweden, and Norway. Among developed countries, the U.S. ranks at 48 this year, down from 37 in 2000: http://www.who.int/inf-pr-2000/en/pr2000-44.html
Similar studies, reported by the BBC and other European media sources, give similarly poor ranking to our health care system in terms of quality, availability of service, response time, etc. By *any* standard system of measurement, our entire health care system is an abysmal failure. It fails for everyone, at all economic levels, except for the very top 2% of income earners. Not just that, of the Western countries with much much better service, the average expenditure on health care is 3% of GNP, whereas ours is more than 9%. It's rather like that other urban legend of Canadian citizens, covered by their universal health care program, scampering across the border to the U.S. for some life saving surgery because of a long waiting list. I don't know who started/fabricated this to begin with, but I am a health care statistician and we cannot find even ONE case of this happening. It is an outright lie and if you cannot prove this, you have no business passing this utter rot along as "factual". Please check your facts before inflicting right wing opinion, nonsense really, on us disguised as "facts". It isn't factual and never will be. Romney and Guliani and the rest of the hacks running for President stating it merely demonstrates their ignorance and utter contempt for and isolation from the people of this country.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 3, 2007 3:13 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278798&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278798%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Please take a look at how Google/You Tube buffers their video. Your slow down load/caching was painful.

Nick

Posted by: nick_radonic | August 3, 2007 3:13 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278794&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278794%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

10 years ago, I would never have said that we need some form of socialized health care, but the greed of the insurance companies and drug manufacturers has gotten so outrageous, that I now believe it is the only answer. My opinion is formed from my own experiences. I am a single mother of three working for a small company. I have been a single mom for 15 years. Last year, the rates of the insurance that the company provided us were raised so high, that the president had no choice but to find coverage elsewhere for his employees. I got a letter stating that my children and I had been accepted into a new plan, and that information and medical cards would be sent within a few weeks. My share of the cost would be a little over $500.00 per month. In those two weeks before I even knew what kind of coverage I now had, my 17 year old daughter developed an ovarian cyst, and my 16 year old son developed appendicitis. I brought the letter of acceptance to the hospital both times, so they would know that we are insured. Possibly, because I was insured, they ran more tests than necessary (do you really need both an MRI and a CT scan for an ovarian cyst?). Everything being said and done, sugery on my son and pain meds for my daughter, I received the information on my coverage. My deductible for each person was $7,500.00 before they would begin paying 70% for the services that were covered. That left me with a bill for $4,200.00 for my daughter, and $10,200.00 for my son. At $7,500.00 per person, I, as a single mother of three, was expected to have an "extra" $30,000.00 to pay for deductibles each year. I am making monthly payments and will be out of debt to the hospital in about 7 more years. To those that are thinking that I should not have had children if 30,000.00 is too much for me each year, I will tell you that I was married to the father of my children. When my husband started becoming abusive, I filed for divorce. He swore that I would never see a dime of child support, and that he would work "under the table" getting paid in cash, so that I could not garnish his wages, and could keep telling the courts that he was unemployed. After about 5 years of court dates, one judge finally said that he had 30 days to find a job or he would be put in prison. He left the state and has not been seen since. That was about 10 years ago. To those that think people like me are looking for a handout, we are not. I have worked almost every day of my life since age 14. I know that I have to pay a premium to get health care for myself and my children. That is a non-issue. What is an issue is the extreme greed of these companies, making huge profits from families that are working hard to pay their bills and raise their children. I have managed to keep my head above water on my own, but that might not be the case if one of my children, or I,get sick again. This is weighing heavily on my mind right now, because I cut my finger last month, and it became infected with two drug resistant strains of bacteria. The medication from Pharmacia/Upjohn that I will have to take for at least two more weeks, costs $1,200.00 per week. I understand that having a patent on a medication that a company has spent money and time developing is the incentive to continue research and development, but $1,200.00 for 15 pills is not recouping your costs with a small profit. That is the definiition of greed.

Posted by: yorktown | August 3, 2007 3:10 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278784&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278784%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Semmes, I agree that the $49 million is misleading, but we need to find a balance. Did you see my post at 2:18?

Posted by: glenp55 | August 3, 2007 3:02 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278759&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278759%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

These days I'm increasingly amused by right wing "talking point" arguments - you know, all point, no substance. Here they blather on about why should the government "subsidize" citizens healthcare and in doing so, would raise all our taxes...

Well, I've got a solution. Cut all the corporate subsidies to the pharamaceutical manufactures, OIL companies, corporate farms-agriculture, war profiteers (Halli-bush, inc.), and HMO's, etc.. I'm sure that those cost savings would more than enough for the United States of America to take care of her own people.

Business and capitalism is not bad or evil, just the politicians who are bought and paid for by the corrupt.

Posted by: Jaxon1 | August 3, 2007 2:59 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278749&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278749%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Semmes said: "If you can't afford a house, does the government buy one for you? No, you save your money until you can buy one. If you can't afford health insurance, then create a savings account and pay yourself a couple hundred dollars a month and use that for any future doctor's visits. No one says life is free. Give up the Escalade and the XBox and Twinkies Family Pak and spend your money more wisely."


Great! I should just start saving up right now..oh wait. Can't. Insurance companies refuse to insure me. I can't pay them to give me coverage. She is an example of why the insurance companies need to be reevaluated. She might be barred from getting cheaper insurance because of her children's conditions. It's not hand outs, why can't you see that? We just want what everyone else access to - affordable health care.

Posted by: calotype | August 3, 2007 2:56 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278730&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278730%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

10 years ago, I would never have said that we need some form of socialized health care, but the greed of the insurance companies and drug manufacturers has gotten so outrageous, that I now believe it is the only answer. My opinion is formed from my own experiences. I am a single mother of three working for a small company. I have been a single mom for 15 years. Last year, the rates of the insurance that the company provided us were raised so high, that the president had no choice but to find coverage elsewhere for his employees. I got a letter stating that my children and I had been accepted into a new plan, and that information and medical cards would be sent within a few weeks. My share of the cost would be a little over $500.00 per month. In those two weeks before I even knew what kind of coverage I now had, my 17 year old daughter developed an ovarian cyst, and my 16 year old son developed appendicitis. I brought the letter of acceptance to the hospital both times, so they would know that we are insured. Possibly, because I was insured, they ran more tests than necessary (do you really need both an MRI and a CT scan for an ovarian cyst?). Everything being said and done, sugery on my son and pain meds for my daughter, I received the information on my coverage. My deductible for each person was $7,500.00 before they would begin paying 70% for the services that were covered. That left me with a bill for $4,200.00 for my daughter, and $10,200.00 for my son. At $7,500.00 per person, I, as a single mother of three, was expected to have an "extra" $30,000.00 to pay for deductibles each year. I am making monthly payments and will be out of debt to the hospital in about 7 more years. To those that are thinking that I should not have had children if 30,000.00 is too much for me each year, I will tell you that I was married to the father of my children. When my husband started becoming abusive, I filed for divorce. He swore that I would never see a dime of child support, and that he would work "under the table" getting paid in cash, so that I could not garnish his wages, and could keep telling the courts that he was unemployed. After about 5 years of court dates, one judge finally said that he had 30 days to find a job or he would be put in prison. He left the state and has not been seen since. That was about 10 years ago. To those that think people like me are looking for a handout, we are not. I have worked almost every day of my life since age 14. I know that I have to pay a premium to get health care for myself and my children. That is a non-issue. What is an issue is the extreme greed of these companies, making huge profits from families that are working hard to pay their bills and raise their children. I have managed to keep my head above water on my own, but that might not be the case if one of my children, or I,get sick again. This is weighing heavily on my mind right now, because I cut my finger last month, and it became infected with two drug resistant strains of bacteria. The medication from Pharmacia/Upjohn that I will have to take for at least two more weeks, costs $1,200.00 per week. I understand that having a patent on a medication that a company has spent money and time developing is the incentive to continue research and development, but $1,200.00 for 15 pills is not recouping your costs with a small profit. That is the definiition of greed.

Posted by: yorktown | August 3, 2007 2:56 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278728&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278728%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"No question you can get the best care here--if you can afford it. 49 million Americans can't."

Not accurate. How many of those choose not to purchase insurance (like I did for many years)? How many of those are only temporarily between insurance coverage?

If you can't afford a house, does the government buy one for you? No, you save your money until you can buy one. If you can't afford health insurance, then create a savings account and pay yourself a couple hundred dollars a month and use that for any future doctor's visits. No one says life is free. Give up the Escalade and the XBox and Twinkies Family Pak and spend your money more wisely.

BTW I have 4 kids, wife doesn't work, only one job and I get it done. You don't see me begging shady politicians for handouts.

It's a sad day in America when so many people look to the feds to be their saviors for every little daily item. Never saw that happen in the first 100 years of our nation's history.

Posted by: semmes | August 3, 2007 2:49 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278702&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278702%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

From the looks of that toothless burger-gulping sweat-hog she'd spread her legs for any male attn. she could get and now wants me to pay for the residue of her one-night stands.

I hope her boss fires her.


Posted by: chevy55sc | August 3, 2007 2:47 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278700&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278700%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

You know my Daughter holds dual citezenship in the US and Norway and lives in Norway. Norway has Universal Health Care. And, although they do individually pay high taxes, it is largely based on consumption of goods and services. In other words, the more resources one consumes the more one pays. But wages are are higher to compensate for that fact.

They do pay directly for eye and dental but everything else is covered after a modest co pay. No system of government is totaly perfect but I think that the diffrence is that the Norwiegian government, again not perfect, seems to make decisions based on the needs of its citizens. I for one would like to return to a government that did this very thing. A coporation IS NOT A PERSON nor should it be treated like one when it comes to decisions like health care.

In Norway and at one time in the US there was a social contract between the well off and the rest. Wealth carries a responsibility to improve the life of those whom one is responsible for employing in addition to it's stockholders. That is a true family value and a true Contract with America. This is message that the American citizen shoud be sending when they speak with candidates and represenatives or when thet go to vote.

Posted by: markwl1957 | August 3, 2007 2:45 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278688&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278688%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

10 years ago, I would never have said that we need some form of socialized health care, but the greed of the insurance companies and drug manufacturers has gotten so outrageous, that I now believe it is the only answer. My opinion is formed from my own experiences. I am a single mother of three working for a small company. I have been a single mom for 15 years. Last year, the rates of the insurance that the company provided us were raised so high, that the president had no choice but to find coverage elsewhere for his employees. I got a letter stating that my children and I had been accepted into a new plan, and that information and medical cards would be sent within a few weeks. My share of the cost would be a little over $500.00 per month. In those two weeks before I even knew what kind of coverage I now had, my 17 year old daughter developed an ovarian cyst, and my 16 year old son developed appendicitis. I brought the letter of acceptance to the hospital both times, so they would know that we are insured. Possibly, because I was insured, they ran more tests than necessary (do you really need both an MRI and a CT scan for an ovarian cyst?). Everything being said and done, sugery on my son and pain meds for my daughter, I received the information on my coverage. My deductible for each person was $7,500.00 before they would begin paying 70% for the services that were covered. That left me with a bill for $4,200.00 for my daughter, and $10,200.00 for my son. At $7,500.00 per person, I, as a single mother of three, was expected to have an "extra" $30,000.00 to pay for deductibles each year. I am making monthly payments and will be out of debt to the hospital in about 7 more years. To those that are thinking that I should not have had children if 30,000.00 is too much for me each year, I will tell you that I was married to the father of my children. When my husband started becoming abusive, I filed for divorce. He swore that I would never see a dime of child support, and that he would work "under the table" getting paid in cash, so that I could not garnish his wages, and could keep telling the courts that he was unemployed. After about 5 years of court dates, one judge finally said that he had 30 days to find a job or he would be put in prison. He left the state and has not been seen since. That was about 10 years ago. To those that think people like me are looking for a handout, we are not. I have worked almost every day of my life since age 14. I know that I have to pay a premium to get health care for myself and my children. That is a non-issue. What is an issue is the extreme greed of these companies, making huge profits from families that are working hard to pay their bills and raise their children. I have managed to keep my head above water on my own, but that might not be the case if one of my children, or I,get sick again. This is weighing heavily on my mind right now, because I cut my finger last month, and it became infected with two drug resistant strains of bacteria. The medication from Pharmacia/Upjohn that I will have to take for at least two more weeks, costs $1,200.00 per week. I understand that having a patent on a medication that a company has spent money and time developing is the incentive to continue research and development, but $1,200.00 for 15 pills is not recouping your costs with a small profit. That is the definiition of greed.

Posted by: yorktown | August 3, 2007 2:42 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278674&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278674%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

No question you can get the best care here--if you can afford it. 49 million Americans can't. This is a problem!

So now we are down to insulting this waitress's appearance. Pathetic.

Posted by: ItshotinPHX | August 3, 2007 2:37 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278662&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278662%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

chevy55sc's responses are so intelligent. Go look at his first and last responses on his yahoo profile under the same screen name as he uses here...."Plowing women" and "Going to Church" That about sums him up. Posted by: rh1037b | August 3, 2007 02:34 PM

Jesus now I have a stalker!! What next??

Chevy

Posted by: chevy55sc | August 3, 2007 2:37 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278661&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278661%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

If we could stop yelling at each other long enough, and stop rewarding politicians that yell at each other and talk in sound-bites, we could implement a solution that cares for more people, helps our economy, rewards responsiblity, and doesn't let the government control health care delivery. (think about Katrina)

Posted by: glenp55 | August 3, 2007 2:36 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278655&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278655%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"First off, that's not mainly a federal issue. It's a state issue. I live in Maryland and work in DC. My JOB provides health insurancea and I pay $180.00 per month for an HMO for family coverage. Then I only pay $5.00 copay with $5.00 prescriptions. Private Insurance and Government funded insurance is not the same. That was very rude of this person to be so nasty as she was. He is trying to run for president he isn't the president. And futhermore she should be talking to her local officialas and state governors and senators. You voted them into office now they have to fight for you in DC. Everyone isn't going to have it their way."

Not all JOBS offer the same kind of insurance, and with at least two (not sure about the third in this scenario) kids with major diseases that require a LOT of doctor visits, prescriptions, etc that ADDS up. I hate that people are looking down on her for having the profession that she does. Perhaps there aren't many job opportunities for her where she lives. MAYBE she works that job because it allows her to spend more time with her children. Don't throw what your JOB offers in the face of people who work hard to serve YOU. The service industry is a rough one to be in, and anyone who is in it has my respect. Get off your high horses and join us regular folk for a while. Might give you some perspective on a very REAL problem.

Posted by: calotype | August 3, 2007 2:35 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278653&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278653%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I challenge all doctors to find a way to drop out of the system and boycott...Rodger D. Hamer MD"

Yeah you don't like it because these Ins companies will only pay you $20,000 verses the $40,000 you bill in the OR for 45 minutes work. You're a thief and have the gall to come on here and post your BS. I see right through your BS

If what you wrote that the Ins. companies were making a killing was true it would be reflected in their stock price PE fool (price to earning). So go spread your BS somewhere else.

Posted by: chevy55sc | August 3, 2007 2:34 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278647&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278647%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

chevy55sc's responses are so intelligent. Go look at his first and last responses on his yahoo profile under the same screen name as he uses here...."Plowing women" and "Going to Church"

That about sums him up

Posted by: rh1037b | August 3, 2007 2:34 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278644&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278644%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Single payor health insurance is the only rational solution to paying for health care.

Health insurance is not difficult to understand. There are four easy parts and one hard part. The easy parts are: accounts receivable (receive the premiums), accounts payable (pay the doctors and hospitals), actuarial (statistics of disease) and security (fraud, computers, etc.). The hard part is policy, how to deal with rare diseases, levels of payment, essentially the difficult decisions since all resources are finite. Profit is the corrupting factor. It is simply overhead paid to corporations, shareholders, perks and so on.

How to pay? Easy: regular payroll deductions with limits at the bottom and top. Everyone has a health identification and everyone with means helps pay. The key? Everyone is in the insurance pool. The largest insurance pool is minimizes individual cost. Without the overhead of profit and an efficient administration, apparently how Medicare and Medicaid work now, premiums should be less then they are now. And that is the basic justification.

Posted by: padams | August 3, 2007 2:33 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278642&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278642%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I have been a physician for almost 30 years. The truth is simple to understand when simply stated. Mitt Romney is giving his canned corporate puppet speech using fast talking to overcome clear thought. He is lying to protect the party line and ultimately his owners...the Medical Industrial Complex. He and his ilk will say anything to continue the scam that is raiding the households of every American family. We are in the Robber Baron times and capitalism run amok. As far as I know all of the candidates other than Dennis Kucinich want to leave the insurance companies in control to extend their windfall profits. All the rest are in bed with our enemies. I challenge all doctors to find a way to drop out of the system and boycott...I challenge all the patients to try to patronize those doctors, and I challenge all progressive venture capitalists to try to be creative in financially supporting those physicians who want to go cold turkey.
Rodger D. Hamer MD
Baldwin, NY

Posted by: rh1037b | August 3, 2007 2:28 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278628&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278628%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Thank you jskousen

I had not heard about "the china study" and will check it out, as I will the mcdougall website. I am about to reach 12 months without a MS relapse. :) And receiving agressive treatment for the RA has solved most of my Carpal tunnel problems (yeah...no surgery for me!!)

Posted by: lkemrich | August 3, 2007 2:28 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278627&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278627%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Lensch--
What's it going to be? Colombia or the US for your heart surgery? Colombia is ranked 15 spots higher than the US on your WHO list.

Posted by: anjos | August 3, 2007 2:26 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278620&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278620%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

To those who argue, why should I pay for someone else's healthcare? They should get a different job, or get more education! First, you should pay for it because it's in the public good. We pay taxes for a lot of things for the public good. Why should I pay taxes for a fire Dept and Police Dept.? I never use them. If some rich person can't afford to protect their precious baubles, why should I subsidize them? Why should my taxes go to pay for an idiotic war in Iraq?

It is also time to recognize that all people are entitled to a certain level of health no matter what their position in life. Face it, there are a certain number of people who will never get doctorate degrees. If the average IQ is 100, then have the people are below that number. Is that their fault? No, that's just the hand they were dealt. Some people are born with disabilities that prevent them from working. Is that their fault? Some kids have leukemia and deserve care without there being fundraisers and contribution jars, so their parents can find the care and maybe don't go bankrupt. To all the smug commenters out there, I hope none of your loved ones are diagnosed with brain cancer, MS, Lou Gehrig's disease, or any other debilitating disease so you have to learn what it's like to walk a mile in someone else's shoes.

Posted by: buley | August 3, 2007 2:25 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278619&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278619%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

From the looks of that toothless burger-gulping sweat-hog she'd spread her legs for any male attn. she could get and now wants me to pay for the residue of her one-night stands.

I hope her boss fires her.

Posted by: chevy55sc | August 3, 2007 2:25 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278616&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278616%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I have been a physician for almost 30 years. The truth is simple to understand when simply stated. Mitt Romney is giving his canned corporate puppet speech using fast talking to overcome clear thought. He is lying to protect the party line and ultimately his owners...the Medical Industrial Complex. He and his ilk will say anything to continue the scam that is raiding the households of every American family. We are in the Robber Baron times and capitalism run amok. As far as I know all of the candidates other than Dennis Kucinich want to leave the insurance companies in control to extend their windfall profits. All the rest are in bed with our enemies. I challenge all doctors to find a way to drop out of the system and boycott...I challenge all the patients to try to patronize those doctors, and I challenge all progressive venture capitalists to try to be creative in financially supporting those physicians who want to go cold turkey.
Rodger D. Hamer MD
Baldwin, NY


Posted by: rh1037b | August 3, 2007 2:25 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278613&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278613%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The government delivers our mail, no matter where we live. The government provides clean water. The government provides schools. The governmant provides highways. The government forced telephone companies to provide service to everybody. The governmant helped pay for railroads. The government provides airports. The government pays farmers cash. The government provides electricty in the west and south.

The government can and should ensure all citizens have health care. It is essential to the economic and socila health of the nation. Free enterprise does not solve all problems.

Posted by: Nardwilly | August 3, 2007 2:25 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278611&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278611%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

It's hard to have respect for someone who shouts someone down in mid-sentence like this woman did. Especially when she's the size of Jabba the Hutt--doesn't look like she's starving poor. Nobody owes her anything except herself. Babies who want government to provide their every need from cradle to grave need to move elsewhere.

BTW, if our healthcare system is so bad, why do all foreign dignataries and celebrities fly to Johns Hopkins or the Mayo Clinic when they really need care?

Posted by: semmes | August 3, 2007 2:24 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278607&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278607%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Kabookey and Semmes, you are two of the meanest people I've ever seen post on the Post blog. The waitress was MARRIED and EMPLOYED and her husband worked TWO JOBS.

Husbands have been known to walk out and dump their responsibilities for their children. Or be abusive to their wives and/or children. So don't lump all single moms in one place. George Washington was raised by a single mother!

I'm sure the waitress and her husband didn't plan of having children with diabetes, ADD, and Crohn's disease. Bad things happen to good people. What do you think we should do, tell them to let their kids suffer and perhaps die (i.e., diabetic coma, intestinal degradation)?

Even the "stiff upper lip" Brits take care of their own. I lived in the UK for two years and not only did I have instant access to healthcare, the docs actually made house calls.

The rest of the world manages to provide healthcare for their citizens. Why shouldn't the US? Cut the "socialized medicine" crap already. The AMA sounded that horn back when Medicare was introduced and guess what? The AMA is running commercials urging an expansion of SCHIP because--(drumroll) IT COVERS UNINSURED KIDS!

I don't know how you live with yourselves, you two are so mean-spirited.

Posted by: ItshotinPHX | August 3, 2007 2:23 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278599&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278599%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

All these comments saying "this woman deserves what she has in life" and "she made her own decisions in life, she should have to deal with it" are disgusting. Sure, she has four kids, but these people who keep bringing up the fact she cant afford her children and its her problem should think about the cost. $1000 a month plus co-payment for every medicine and visit is expensive for anyone. She is working, and she says her husband has two jobs. They are trying, and I think the government should be there to help its citizens. Why have a government if they are not here to help us? I think a lot of people hate the poor. This is sad, because the poor, and this woman, deserve the help of the better off, we are all Americans. For all these people posting their disdain for the poor, look at the military. Almost all of the troops you are claiming to support come from lower middle class and poor families. It is okay for them to fight and die for this country, but get nothing back? And why not raise taxes. I'm sure there are a decent amount of people out there who would rather pay higher taxes and get something for it. I only see money coming out of my paycheck, and nothing for it.

Posted by: joshua.w.drake | August 3, 2007 2:22 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278598&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278598%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I agree with the woman. All politicians are the same. Empty promises election after election. We shall see what is in store for us with the upcoming election. Good for her to stand up and voice her opinion.

Posted by: Jotas | August 3, 2007 2:21 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278593&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278593%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Some biblical wisdom on when and how to help

Lev 19:9-10 "'When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the alien. I am the LORD your God. NIV (give those who are able to work a fair opportunity to succeed)

Jas 1:27 Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world. NKJV (help people who are vulnerable and can't care for themselves)

Galatians 6:2, 5 2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ. (help each other with burdens that are too heavy for one person) 5 For each one shall bear his own load. (carry your own back-back) NKJV

2 Th 3:10-11 For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. (lazy people should go hungry until they learn to be responsible) NKJV

1 Th 4:11-12 make it your ambition to lead a quiet life and attend to your own business and work with your hands, just as we commanded you, so that you will behave properly toward outsiders and not be in any need. (We should take care of our own business if we can) NASU

Eph 4:28-29 Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need. NKJV



Posted by: glenp55 | August 3, 2007 2:18 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278580&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278580%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Dear lkemrich,

You should read "The China Study" for your MS. I have MS too but I've been able to shut down the progression because of what is recommended in the book. Also, check out www.drmcdougall.com for specific articles on MS, specifically the causes of auto-immune diseases.

Posted by: jskousen | August 3, 2007 2:17 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278577&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278577%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

right, healthcare...


should be part of a package that is included in citizenship. how that is achieved is less important right now than saying that it needs to happen.


outsourcing needs to stop, today.

companies that manufacture products overseas for their AMERICAN headquarters, need to be considered FOREIGN COMPETITION...

URBAN living needs to become safe and getting around needs to be managed as an infrastructure issue....


our highways were improved during WWII, and during the WPA programs to bring us out of the Depression...


our country works well to get things done as a nation...

then the people in charge decide to run the country


for their own selfish needs, while pretending that stealing oil is a "patriotic duty,"

we don't have a need for oil so bad, that we need to kill innocent civilians that would probably cut a deal for it easily...but since George W. bush and cronies want to make bank selling bombs 'n stuff...they create the facade of a war during their occupation.


About a billion dollars a day is poured into destroying the infrastructure and QUALITY OF LIFE for IRAQIs...

How would AMERICA look if we spent that much money on repairing and adding to the INFRASTRUCTURE OF AMERICANS???


think any money would find it's way into the citizens pockets, would the country be richer???


how about arresting the EMPLOYERS OF ILLEGALS, so that our U.S. of A. marginalized citizens all of a sudden become a commodity that gets refined into a useful product?


as an engineer, I know when something is working or not...

George W. Bush and his ilk, stand for the destruction of AMERICA...


stop affording him and his cronies the opportunity to line their pockets with the citizens monies....

and spend those monies on our INFRASTRUCTURE...that my friends is a NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE,


not some hogwash about CIA trained terrorists "all of a sudden," being the enemy...

you believe that I have a bridge in BROOKLYN for sale,


grow up and smell the B.S.

.

Posted by: afraidofme | August 3, 2007 2:17 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278573&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278573%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

FACT: Healthcare skyrocketed when the Gov't started dishing out $$$ in medicare and medicaid. Once the Gov't starts paying abuse runs rampant.

The best way to beat the system is to steal your money back from the gov't via a service or product.

Posted by: chevy55sc | August 3, 2007 2:17 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278572&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278572%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

afraidofme: You're right. GWBush is all for more illegal immigrants coming in. It's nothing more than welfare for corporations. Lots of people who can be paid low wages with no benefits that the taxpayers will have to pay for when they go to the hospital.

But it wasn't Democrats who stopped the latest "Comprehensive" illegal immigration let-em-all-in bill. It was angry Republican taxpayers, turning against GWB and the RINOs in Congress, inundating the phones on Capitol Hill with their opposition.

This woman is right. Whether we send our tax dollars out of the country to provide free medical care or import lots of poor people who will get free care, the working poor like this woman get screwed.

Help on healthcare for Americans. Not one dime for illegals.

Posted by: calmom | August 3, 2007 2:13 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278559&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278559%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I am shocked by all the folks who are basically saying pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Now let's see she is paying $1000.00 a month for her insurance and paying deductibles of $30.00 - 50.00 and people here are blaming her, and Mitt Romney says he is only paying $10.00 for his deductible and you know he isn't paying $1000.00 per month for his insurance, so where is the parity here? Hmm she is paying for her health care, which is costing her 12,000 per year with her deductibles and all the conservatives can say is she is a welfare mother and she shouldn't have so many children! I am shocked at the little you all care for her and her children and amazed that you seem to think she deserves it? Well why should the rich guy pay basically nothing for his health care, and since he is a politician he has contributed very little to society and a woman who is working as hard as she can paying too much for too little and that is OK! Conservatives are nothing more than Social Darwinist Tories. And since you are all probably Christians I will ask you, What would Jesus do? I suspect he would be very angry at those who protect the rich and trod on the poor.

Posted by: teresa_mccarthy | August 3, 2007 2:12 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278548&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278548%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

That sweat-hog was an idiot. Looks like she plows down 50 burgers a day and then expects me to pay for her healthcare. One can only imagine what her kids pork up to be. She eats so many burgers she's missing some teeth as evidenced from the video.

What a loser

Posted by: chevy55sc | August 3, 2007 2:07 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278537&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278537%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

If find it very interesting when Republicans start throwing out the word "socialism" to describe universal healthcare as if socialism was tantamount to death. Just what is it about socialism that is so scary? Few, if any of you throwing the term around even understand what it means. Plenty of other countries in this world have survived very well by taking care of their citizens.
Also I think it is interesting that Republicans are willing to accept their social security check each month. A social security program could not get through congress today because people would be yelling "socialism." Also Republicans are willing to accept their medicare benefits and medicare is socialism. Better yet, lots of Republicans take advantage of lower drug costs in Canada and I believe Congress just passed a bill allowing drug imports from other countries with lower drug costs. Now who do you think is subsidizing those lower drug costs - their socialized governments! Funny how that works. Here in our country low taxes or no taxes is the mantra. For all of the pontificating from the religious right, this is not a nation that any longer believes that we are our brother's keeper. We are all about ourselves and the heck with anyone else.

Posted by: cmwarner01 | August 3, 2007 2:06 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278529&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278529%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

To Mussina4 - I'm sorry but the last statement in one of your posts is stupid. You said if someone doesn't have the skills to get a job that provides decent healthcare, they should improve their skills to get that better job. If they can't afford simple medical care, how are they supposed to afford college or vocational schools to improve their skills? I think it's funny that people complain about the poor complaining. If it wasn't for the backs of the poor, most people would have nothing. Somebody has to do those low paying jobs or you wouldn't be served in fancy restaurants. Knowing that most of the low paying jobs are needed to keep the luxuries of this country going, it's surprising that people think equality of access is not important. As long as you got yours right? Disgusting. No, we don't need to subsidize peoples personal decisions, but we do need equal access. God forbid you or anyone else has a child with a life threatening disease you didn't "plan" on.

Posted by: mamahr | August 3, 2007 2:04 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278522&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278522%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

hey, grogman...


I noticed that you neglected to mention that the reason "our borders" are so poreous, is because

George W. Bush, is not enforcing the law.


Either at the border, or by arresting the employers of _ILLEGALS_ .


GEORGE W. BUSH AND THE CORPORATE WORLD ARE ALL FOR _ILLEGALS_ COMING IN AND TAKING OVER THE UNITED STATES, because it means that they have CHEAPER LABOR...


so let's put the problem at the doorstep of the cause of _ILLEGAL_ PROLIFERATION...which is based upon not wanting to pay fair labor prices...


which is why all of the factories are closed and the blue collar people are out wanting the _ILLEGALS_ to disappear, because the _ILLEGALS_ are willing to do the same work, for much less money... which is okay with the people hiring...

they get to have two classes of peasants bidding to get the same job...they just hire the cheapest labor.


the problems with _ILLEGALS_ would evaporate, if they couldn't get hired. they would take their children and "go home." the _ILLEGALS_ send $40 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR OUT OF THE UNITED STATES ECONOMY, and it never finds it's way back in...


WE NEED TO WORK ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.


and GEORGE W. BUSH is responsible for our borders being open, and no enforcement occuring....


you would have thought after 911, that it would be impossible to come into the United Sates,


if there were really a terrorist threat...


what threat level are we at now, "brown" for B.S.


.please, your stupidity and sheep like nature is annoying.

.Davie

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Posted by: afraidofme | August 3, 2007 2:03 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278517&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278517%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Right on danhamrick.

Republicans stop caring about people the minute they are born. Sadly enough this applies to their religious leaders as well. Whatever happened to feed the poor and heal the sick? That must be some lefty liberal Jesus.

Posted by: MarcMyWords | August 3, 2007 2:03 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278513&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278513%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

There is opportunity in this country for all who work for it, make wise decisions and set goals to move themselves in the right direction. One doesn't need to depend on the government to take care of personal problems. However, everyone needs help sometime or another, and there is nothing wrong with that. All in all, I think that Romney does have a lot to offer the woman. His accomplishments are valid strengths to him and I think the woman could benefit from his being president. We need to evaluate our lives and ask ourselves if we are spending our time asking what our country can do for us, or what we can do for the country. The secret to a great life is in what we give, not what we receive.

Posted by: jordankstephenson | August 3, 2007 2:02 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278507&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278507%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Shame on all of you that belittle this woman and her family! I challenge you to look at a few simple facts:

Preventative care cost less then going to an emergency room.

The baby boomer generation did not have as many children as there parents therefore we have a smaller population of young people then before. While baby boomers are living longer who is going to pay into social security? Keep our economy going?

Speaking from experience there are plenty of educated people with out proper insurance especially in the Washington DC Metro area. Especially after alot of the big companies decided to send jobs over seas!

Do people honestly think that just because they have "Good insurance" they are not paying for it. I have a friend who is a federal government employee with a BS who makes 10 dollars an hour. I saw her same job with a contracting company and they were pay $15-17. This is because they offer no insurance.

The same ones preaching not having the kids are the ones standing in front of the Abortion clinic. I love America, but we are way to busy fighting a pointless war to take care of our sick and hurt at home which includes the Soldiers!

Posted by: afarrow | August 3, 2007 2:00 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278496&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278496%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

We already have "socialized" medicine. We just don't call it that. I'm self-employed, successful, and me, my wife, and my 2 kids are all pretty healthy. I, however pay over $1000 per month just for basic health insurance. after paying co-pays, deductibles, and everything else, I pay well over $15,000 a year on health care. Why is it so high?

Well, first off is the profits of the insurance Co., and the outrageous salaries of their executives. Next, and most important is that people who pay for insurance subsidize those that don't have insurance. Doctors and hospitals bill those with insurance more than those with Medicaid or Medicare. Why? because they have to make up for the money they lose when people go bankrupt because they can't pay their bills. A typical hospital has about 30% to 40% of uncollectable account receivables. To stay in business, they have to charge more to those that can pay.

Since Drs won't see uninsured patients or even those with Medicaid, when those people get sick they go to the only place they can, which is the hospital emergency rooms. they usually go when their symptoms are so severe they have to go. So a problem that could have been dealt with cheaply if it had been dealt with early, becomes a very expensive problem later. We now have the most inefficient system possible.

We have "socialized" medicine. I pay more, just as everyone who has insurance pays more, to make up for those who can't pay. If we had a single payer system, though, costs would be more widely spread, there would be more preventative care available, and people wouldn't have to utilize emergency care because there's nowhere else to go.

Posted by: buley | August 3, 2007 2:00 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278494&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278494%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Most of you don't understand what this waitress was trying to say, our tax dollars support most of the 3rd world countries, I don't think she was asking for a handout, but if that is what most of you think, the solution is give us the right to not pay taxes that way we could probably afford health care, then you wouldn't have to ask a politician for anything. Because if you are not paying taxes you have no right to complain about where the money goes.

Posted by: renardo.offord | August 3, 2007 1:58 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278489&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278489%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I'm really surprised at just how mindless some of the conservative posters are here, not to mention heartless. This goes double for clodhoppers like Romney and Guliani. My daughter is a waitress. On a very good night, she makes maybe $100 in tips. The average is more like $25. Add in her minimum wage salary, the fact that employers of service workers only use them when they need them - so she gets around 25 hours of work a week, and she makes between $325 and $390 a week. That $390 is for a 6 day work week, mind you. Then, because these monsters would rather give tax breaks to the wealthy, rather than the working poor, who really need them, the government steps in and takes about 20% of that. There are millions of people, citizens, of this country, who make about the same amount. "Not buy a refrigerator" isn't an option. The option is paying the rent and utilities, feeding themselves and their child, putting enough gas in the car to get to work and back, paying for childcare, etc. $100 a month for healthcare isn't even an option for my daughter or for millions of other working poor. It is an outrage, outright shameful, that we do not provide universal health care in this country. It is an outrage, also, that we even allow self serving wealthy twits to not pay their fair share of taxes. Romney has just shown himself to be completyely and utterly heartless, a fool, someone who doesn't deserve to be elected dog catcher, much less President. I hope someone filmed that entire exchange and that it haunts him and ends his "crusade for the wealthy". What a jerk!

Posted by: mibrooks27 | August 3, 2007 1:58 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278487&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278487%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I hear ya doc, but you know what its like to get other docs to ban together. Herding cats

Posted by: jjrglobal | August 3, 2007 1:57 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278484&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278484%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

God bless you, Mrs. Griffin, and I sincerely hope we have someone in the White House who really can help you out in a couple of years. Keep up the pressure and make yourself heard, you deserve to be heard.

Posted by: westmaas | August 3, 2007 1:56 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278478&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278478%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

dboc_99 said: The republicans want to open the market for health care so that prices drop through competition.

So lets see the Republicans controlled all branches of government for 6 years and the cost of health care soared through the roof. When exactly were they planning to get around to it?

Posted by: MarcMyWords | August 3, 2007 1:55 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278475&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278475%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

kudos to the 12,000 $ a year fella. My lowest income was 5,000 with our first child. It was a good thing I had stocked up on shotgun shells because I hunted wild game to feed my family that entire year. Things got a little better and we were blessed with four children. All of which we raised and some have been to college. The oldest is a RN and the other three haven't made it through. They are having a tough time trying to afford college. And once they don't attend a semester we can't carry them on our insurance. One of my daughters has married and my son is trying to find a profession that is not exported. The whole thing is this. We can look down our nose at people and make ourself feel good or we can help someone and feel good about that. I chose to be a paramedic and it makes me feel good. I am not rich but I have had rich patients. They all get the same treatment. Why doesn't our insurance treat people the same way? Is it MONEY?
Ken Barnett

Posted by: kenbarnett62 | August 3, 2007 1:55 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278468&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278468%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

First off, that's not mainly a federal issue. It's a state issue. I live in Maryland and work in DC. My JOB provides health insurancea and I pay $180.00 per month for an HMO for family coverage. Then I only pay $5.00 copay with $5.00 prescriptions. Private Insurance and Government funded insurance is not the same. That was very rude of this person to be so nasty as she was. He is trying to run for president he isn't the president. And futhermore she should be talking to her local officialas and state governors and senators. You voted them into office now they have to fight for you in DC. Everyone isn't going to have it their way.

Posted by: tagl322 | August 3, 2007 1:52 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278460&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278460%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I have been a physician for almost 30 years. The truth is simple to understand when simply stated. Mitt Romney is giving his canned corporate puppet speech using fast talking to overcome clear thought. He is lying to protect the party line and ultimately his owners...the Medical Industrial Complex. He and his ilk will say anything to continue the scam that is raiding the households of every American family. We are in the Robber Baron times and capitalism run amok. As far as I know all of the candidates other than Dennis Kucinich want to leave the insurance companies in control to extend their widfall profits. All the rest are in bed with our enemies. I challenge all doctors to find a way to drop out of the system and boycott...I challenge all the patients to try to patronize those doctors, and I challenge all progressive venture capitalists to try to be creative in financially supporting those physicians who want to go cold turkey.
Rodger D. Hamer MD
Baldwin, NY

Posted by: rh1037b | August 3, 2007 1:50 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278452&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278452%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The arrogance of many commentors is amazing and those who show true understanding of the issues about the healthcare debate are my heroes. I'm self-employed, have completed post-doctorate work, obtained a private individual health insurance policy 7 years ago and passed the underwriting process successfully. Living in NoVA, there were only 2 choices available to me: Kaiser HMO or Carefirst PPO. I chose Carefirst (although it was Capital Care at the time). My premiums are reasonable, $237 monthly for 38yo female with $100 deductible and $25 copays (in-network of course), and I was satisfied with my coverage for several years.

But the year I was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis, I found that my coverage was severely lacking and my out-of-pocket expenses topped $8K. When my doctor prescribed a MS med (which costs $20K each year), I discovered my insurance only pays $1500 for meds each year and I was referred to the appropriate PAP. I was only awarded a 50% award, in part, because my AGI from the previous year was $27K and I had been saving for retirement. (I do not own a home as I cannot afford to.) I appealed...was denied. Exhaustive research and applications resulted in more denials and only one Fairfax Co. grant towards meds for $1K. So I end 2006 earning $19K and paying $16K out-of-pocket for healthcare for only myself. Finally these numbers qualified for coverage of that one MS med for 12 months. In March, I was diagnosed with Rheumatoid Arthritis which requires new meds. For these, I have applied to appropriate PAPs and have been denied; one because the med prescribed is included in a cancer fund, not the RA fund for this particular Foundation; another because the drug company, Pfizer, uses Line 22 on the 1040 as proof of income. However, being self-employed and not provided with the same tax breaks as large corporations, Line 22 does not reflect the amount I am able to pay myself, Line 37 (AGI) represents my pre-tax earnings.

I would really like to spend less than 50% of my earnings on healthcare and spend fewer hours discovering that promotions of organizations (whether they be insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, lobby groups, or even the non-profit charities) DO NOT REFLECT THE REALITY of a hard-working individual trying to get necessary assistance.

And to those who might assume otherwise...I am single, no children, college educated, financially responsible (debt-free), hard-working. I am a freelance musician and teach private music lessons, providing a service which is vital to the education of our youth.

Posted by: lkemrich | August 3, 2007 1:49 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278449&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278449%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

jhorstma said: We have the world's best health care system, and it ain't cheap

What planet are you from? When measured scientifically we come out around #26...right below Poland! If you want to drink the kool-aid thats fine but it might be better if you got your facts straight.

Posted by: MarcMyWords | August 3, 2007 1:49 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278444&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278444%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Are you saying that I am just imagining that my malpractice is going up and my reimbursements down?

Posted by: jjrglobal | August 3, 2007 1:48 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278440&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278440%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The cogent points remain:
The waitress is MARRIED,
her husband works 2 jobs.
Her problem is that AFTER paying $1000 a month for health insurance,
she then has to pay $50 per office visit, and
$30-$50 per prescription.

She has 3 sick children, and numerous prescriptions to fill,
Resources are slim: waitress' salary, and her husband's 2 jobs.

I don't want cradle-to-grave care from my government, but I do expect that we could eliminate the efficiency-reducing impact of interposing a profit-driven insurance company in all of my medical decisions and treatment. In the world of accounting, insurance (which adds no value to the equation) is termed overhead and it's the worst kind because they do all the things that they do ultimately for the wrong reason - profit. For an insurance company it is not about my or your health. It's the bottom line.

Like the waitress, I have experienced ever-decreasing coverages, along with ever expanding premiums, co-pays, etc. The US is directionally incorrect as a nation on this one, and we better turn around soon or as my dad used to say "it's devil catch the hindmost."

One more observation: We often hear the founding documents quoted on other subjects, but I'd like to quote part of the beginning of our Declaration of Independence: "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. -- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men...".

It seems to me that the first and third of these rights are totally dependent on one's health, and further, that the Declaration anticipated that Government would have a strong role in securing Life and the Pursuit of Happiness for its citizenry. It is no giant leap, therefore, to understand that we were meant to be a caring nation first, beaurocratic insurance company profits notwithstanding!

Posted by: mkidwell | August 3, 2007 1:48 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278437&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278437%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

talking to someone from BRITAIN, she said that


basic services are provided for everyone, if you want a liver transplant

you have to have private insurance for that...


both things are in place, as options.

.

Posted by: afraidofme | August 3, 2007 1:47 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278433&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278433%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Her question is important: "How about the USA?"

Romney should have answered that the Democrats want to provide healthcare free to every person who manages to illegally get across the border. Just look at the SCHIP bill that just passed. Free heathcare for illegal immigrant children. And they have no intention of making that trip across the border difficult.

How high are Americans taxes going to have to go to pay for free treatment for the entire Third World?

Posted by: calmom | August 3, 2007 1:47 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278432&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278432%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The comments posted here are depressing. Just a few facts: America does not have the best health care in the world as someone said, just like America is not the "greatest country in the world". The first claim is false and the second meaningless.

The health marketplace drives prices down? This so false as to be obscene. But no presidential candidate is going to fight the existing insurance company hold on America. Too bad.

The government can't do it better with one unified system? So many other countries do! America should try it some time instead of listening to Republican self-fulfilling prophesies of government failure. Bush is not only destroying the Constitution but the operational government at all levels.

What kills me is that even the Democrats are running against the government, a la Bush. How can you have the CEO of a company say repeatedly that his company stinks so I'm going to destroy what little good is left of it?

So much for enlightened self interest. The posts here show how really ignorant the American people are, no question about it.

Posted by: walden1 | August 3, 2007 1:45 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278424&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278424%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

right, healthcare...


should be part of a package that is included in citizenship. how that is achieved is less important right now than saying that it needs to happen.


outsourcing needs to stop, today.

companies that manufacture products overseas for their AMERICAN headquarters, need to be considered FOREIGN COMPETITION...

URBAN living needs to become safe and getting around needs to be managed as an infrastructure issue....


our highways were improved during WWII, and during the WPA programs to bring us out of the Depression...


our country works well to get things done as a nation...

then the people in charge decide to run the country


for their own selfish needs, while pretending that stealing oil is a "patriotic duty,"

we don't have a need for oil so bad, that we need to kill innocent civilians that would probably cut a deal for it easily...but since George W. bush and cronies want to make bank selling bombs 'n stuff...they create the facade of a war during their occupation.


About a billion dollars a day is poured into destroying the infrastructure and QUALITY OF LIFE for IRAQIs...

How would AMERICA look if we spent that much money on repairing and adding to the INFRASTRUCTURE OF AMERICANS???


think any money would find it's way into the citizens pockets, would the country be richer???


how about arresting the EMPLOYERS OF ILLEGALS, so that our U.S. of A. marginalized citizens all of a sudden become a commodity that gets refined into a useful product?


as an engineer, I know when something is working or not...

George W. Bush and his ilk, stand for the destruction of AMERICA...


stop affording him and his cronies the opportunity to line their pockets with the citizens monies....

and spend those monies on our INFRASTRUCTURE...that my friends is a NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE,


not some hogwash about CIA trained terrorists "all of a sudden," being the enemy...

you believe that I have a bridge in BROOKLYN for sale,


grow up and smell the B.S.

.

Posted by: afraidofme | August 3, 2007 1:43 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278415&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278415%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Republicans and their fellow travelers, the Radical Right, want to take care of the fetus from conception to deliver. After that, everyone is to engage in survival of the fittest or the richest.

Posted by: danhamrick | August 3, 2007 1:43 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278414&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278414%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Our fire department, like those in surrounding cities, is 100% volunteer. As for medical care, I think all insurance has done is take me to the cleaners and give me NOTHING in return. I can feel this woman's anger and pain. Politicians think you can shop around for insurance? Try it once you have what insurance companies like to call a "pre-existing condition" or when you have something so chronic, long-term and constantly painful insurance companies decide it's too expensive to fix. They put it on a list (which grows longer every year, by the way) they call simply, "non-covered conditions". Easy for them to say. A lifetime of debt for you and your children to pay for...in fact, I'm convinced my grandchildren will still be paying for my medical expenses, and they are NOTHING I did to myself. I have never smoked, had a drink or taken an illegal drug. I try to help my society, but I'm not even a consumer anymore. I can't afford to be; everything I buy is second hand. Kaiser Health Insurance is the ONLY one I ever had that even paid for my surgeries. That was when we lived in California, but they don't have Kaiser where we live now. I think if someone figured out a way to make Kaiser nationwide and dump all the other money-grubbing frauds, we'd stand half a chance. I'll never forget what a Kaiser woman said one day when I was just beside myself; "Why, you in pain, darlin? We'll jus' have to fix that." and they did. I went several years after that surgery with no pain at all. It was like heaven. Then I tripped on a sidewalk that was under construction but unmarked, and had to sue State Farm Insurance to reconstruct my jaw. They decided they would rather fight it. They spent over $20,000 on lawyers and drug the case out for seven years, so none of the witnesses remembered anything. My little attorney didn't stand a chance. I lost. I'm in constant pain, and I will never be able to afford the surgery I need. I'm teaching my children how to self-insure, so they never have to depend upon a company that is NOT "like a good neighbor". State Farm is NOT there. As for Mitt Romney, I think he has a few things to learn yet, but looking at the present stable, he's got my vote as President.

Posted by: ikjirstin | August 3, 2007 1:43 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278409&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278409%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

News flash from Canada:

The expense of our public insurance system is less than 2% of the total cost of health care. Compare that with what you have - overhead costs of 30% or more. It makes no sense to me that everyone doesn't see the American health insurance industry for what it is: a vast, wasteful, unnecessary army of private bureaucrats and gatekeepers whose job it is to prevent their clients from getting care. Vast resources, which could be spent directly on actual health care, are wasted in order to keep sick people out of a given insurance company's risk pool, or to deny treatment to existing clients - all in the name of profit, to keep the bloated, inefficient insurance companies in business.

In a public single-payer system all this is redundant. There is no need to exclude anyone from treatment in order to improve the profitability of a company's risk pool. Everybody is in the same risk pool. There are no gatekeepers. There is no such thing as a "pre-existing condition" that disqualifies someone from getting coverage. There is no redefinition of your risk and increase in premium if you actually get sick.

Medical insurance in Canada is NOT free. It is NOT something the government "gives" to citizens. Everybody understands that the medical system is funded from their taxes. In my province, we pay insurance premiums in addition to taxes. Most people have their premiums deducted from their paycheques. I'm self employed, so I pay directly (if I were poor, I could apply for a subsidy). It costs me $54 per month (couples pay $96, families $108). That covers all doctor visits, all hospital costs. There are no co-pays, deductibles or user fees. I have separate insurance through my professional association for prescriptions, private hospital room, eye care, physio, etc.

Waiting lists are far less of a problem in Canada than Americans are told. They are no worse than the norm at most HMOs. I was recently referred for an MRI scan. I waited a month, which was not a problem. If it had been an emergency, or if I had been in pain, I would have had the scan within a couple of days. Same with surgery.

We Canadians are capitalists just like you. We aren't freedom-hating, choice-averse Socialists. Our doctors are almost all in private practice and are self-employed. We can choose to go to any doctor we want, unlike patients at American HMOs.

To all the die-hard Republicans out there: Nobody in Canada has to go to a government bureaucrat to ask for health care (this is something Americans have to deal with all the time, through their private insurers). I deal with one person, and one alone, in regard to all diagnoses and treatments: MY DOCTOR. Period.

What we have is NOT "socialized medicine", if that term is understood to mean comprehensive government control of health care. The next time you hear somebody use that term as a criticism of public health insurance, ask them exactly what they mean. Chances are they won't be able to define their argument. In fact, public health care is different in every country that provides it. There is not a single, monolithic model. Most western countries combine public and private insurance. "Socialized medicine" has so many different meanings that it is meaningless.

I consider that it is Americans who have "socialized medicine", not Canadians - "corporate-socialized medicine", that is. Ironically, patient care decisions in America's free-market system are determined all too often by non-medical factors relating to insurance coverage.

I'll keep what I have, thanks.

Posted by: acmeautoparts | August 3, 2007 1:42 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278405&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278405%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Why should we take care of those who are less fortunate? Because we CAN. I am tired of these defeatists that say Government can't do anything right. Who says? Why not try and implement a system that does work? They say, "The parts of the world with Universal Healthcare don't work. There are long lines and waits and everyone pays high taxes.". So you're saying we can't do it better? Why give up so easily? Where is this me me me ideology coming from? How can you look at a family going through hard times and turn away? Does your heart even go out to them? The simple thought of, better them than me? The world isn't fair and our government and HMO's are corrupt. Where else should we turn? Take a walk in someone else's shoes before you judge them.

Posted by: kyleframe | August 3, 2007 1:42 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278403&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278403%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Why is it that when we use our tax money for coporations we call it an incentive but when we use tax money to pay for the basic needs of people it is called waste? As with the waitress, so many people need help with health care (and education) expenses for their children. They are working. They work hard. The only difference is that they are not being paid a livable wage for their labors. This is not welfare.

Posted by: steelej1 | August 3, 2007 1:42 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278402&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278402%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Moore never said our country wasn't envied for our medical technology. Romney needs to see the film before he speaks out.....it just makes him look stupid to say things like he did in this video.

Bravo to the woman that spoke out. Unfortunately, she didn't get any answers from the politician but at least she got her concerns out in the open.

Romney's plan in Mass STILL only makes the private insurers rich AND people like this lady and myself get stretched beyond belief trying to make ends meet.

I'm with Moore....let's take the profit factor OUT of heathcare!

Posted by: flipper828 | August 3, 2007 1:37 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278387&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278387%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Those of you who want a single payer health system have it exactly backward: we need as many payers in the system as possible.

We need to do away with employer provided healthcare and create tax free, interest bearing private health accounts so that every American is paying. The more consumers, the lower the price.

By having employers provide healthcare, that takes a huge number of people out of the competitive market and keeps prices high.

A single payer system for anything that is a demand based industry is simply the worst idea imaginable.

Posted by: prezin25 | August 3, 2007 1:36 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278382&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278382%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

O.K. here's another urban myth.
1. There is no correlation between medical malpractice inurance premiums and malpractice payments over $250,000. (I picked this number because this is the limit proposed by many.)
2. In NJ, if there had been a law requiring the insurance cos. to return to the doctors a sum equal to all the payments they made in excess of over $250,000 in 2003, each physician would have received $15.
3. There is a good correlation between medical malpractice insurance rates and the negative of interets rates. i.e. rates go down, premiums go up.

This is not the reason for high medical costs in the US. The 3 main reasons are the time wasted by physicians filling out over 2,000 different forms for insurance and Part D (about $200,000,000,000 per year), the high overheads (>15%) of private insurance cos. (about $100,000,000,000 per year) and high drug prices (don't know how much).

Posted by: lensch | August 3, 2007 1:36 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278380&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278380%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

With regards to talented youth, My son was Valedictorian and was actually the first person to ever graduate from his high school with all 100's. He had an offer to Baylor and actually wanted to go pre-med, that was until our little discussion about reality and how it is financially irresponsible to go into medicine. He is now enrolled at MIT and medicine is not even an option with him anymore. How many more of America's best and brightest are being turned away from medicine. As a physician, I can't allow someone with his potential to go through this BS that is getting worse every year. Everything is going up, especially malpractice insurance, while the reimbursements to physicians continue to dwindle.

Posted by: jjrglobal | August 3, 2007 1:33 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278369&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278369%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

You guys are all missing the point. Forget welfare, government responsibility etc. The real fact is. Most other industrialized countries have single payer health systems. This takes the burden off of their businesses. Thus the USA can't effectivly compete with this kind of foreign subsidy. Romney's plan in Mass is going to fail because it doesn't do anything to hold costs in. IE one form for every Ins company.

We need a single payer system.

We have to get a government that cares about the American people and not special interests.

Posted by: rlsrd | August 3, 2007 1:32 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278366&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278366%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"The democrats simply want to socialize medicine. period. The republicans want to open the market for health care so that prices drop through competition.

"The democrats are stuck in the 70s."

Yeah, much as we have "sociaized" police departments, fire departments, schools, defense, etc.

There is PLENTY of competition in the isurance industry and prices NEVER go down, yet 31% of our healthcare dollars go to profits and overhead (i.e. advertising and commissions, etc.).

You call it "socialized" medicine, I call it single payer insurance. If you have a great employer paid (read "subsidized) health insurance plan, you probably "just don't get it," but your employer is your insurance "socializer."

I'll make you a deal: let's set up a system where we have a single payer system (i.e., universal Medicare)alongside the current system and let's see where the free market takes us. Even if we were taxed up to the amount we are now paying for health insurance, I'd be willing to bet the insurance industry would soon go the way of the buggy whip.

The insurance industry has done this to themselves when they started becoming for profit entities instead of mutual insurance entities and then started putting profits ahead of people.

Posted by: hj.hayes | August 3, 2007 1:32 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278364&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278364%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

What is UP with all the vitriol being aimed at the working woman who asked a question of someone who came into the place where she worked LOOKING for people to ask him questions? Is it because she dared actually to FOLLOW-UP?

And what's up with so many painting her "welfare mother" when THE WHOLE STORY TRANSPIRES WHILE & WHERE SHE'S (say it with me, now) W O R K I N G!! HELLO, Limbaugh-Clones?!?

I have epilepsy and have had to fight with insurance companies all my life just to get them to help pay bills they have said they would. I have had seizures since I was 12 and worked full-time since I was 15. My parents had no idea I would be born with a seizure disorder. Ms. Griffin could not have known her daughters would develop Croan's disease or diabetes.

Why is is that insurance company profits continue to grow year-on-year, while care availability declines, doctors receive lower reimbursements and patients pay ever-larger amounts in deductibles and co-payments for decreased coverage? So that insurance company profits may continue to grow year-on-year. It's disgusting and immoral to value corporate profit over human health.

Posted by: tiredgirlie | August 3, 2007 1:31 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278362&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278362%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I'm a republican. I made about $12,000 last year. I don't have health care insurance, and I don't want it given to me by the government. I did have to go to the hospital in 2005. I paid the hospital, the doctor, and for my medicine. I paid it off over a period of 11 months. I would rather do that than have to go to the hospital and wait in line for some government bureaucrat to tell me to wait in another line. There is one quote to sum up the thought of government provided healthcare:

Give me liberty, or give me death.

Posted by: prezin25 | August 3, 2007 1:30 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278359&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278359%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

There is a reason why executives of large HMO's and pharmacuetical companies are being paid salaries in the Millions and sometimes Billions while our health care overall is ranked 36th-38th in the world.
When our government gives billions away to benefit wealthy corporations, I don't hear conservatives screaming about socialism and gvmt handouts and "they made their own problems, let them stew in them". Why is this?
The laws passed in recent years were written by the industry to favor the industry and we're expected to just keep quiet and pay the tab. Most of us are one health-care crisis away from losing everything we've worked for and at the mercy of our HMOs to grant the medical care we pay through the nose for every month.
Medi-Care has an overhead around 5% and their patients are treated by private physicians. The American public needs to wake up and demand that we get a system similar to Medi-Care, paid for through our taxes. I'd gladly pay the $550 per mo
I pay now to an HMO and not worry that they're going to deny me medical coverage due to a "prior condition" I didn't even know existed.

Posted by: a.strk | August 3, 2007 1:29 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278354&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278354%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

There is a reason why executives of large HMO's and pharmacuetical companies are being paid salaries in the Millions and sometimes Billions while our health care overall is ranked 36th-38th in the world.
When our government gives billions away to benefit wealthy corporations, I don't hear conservatives screaming about socialism and gvmt handouts and "they made their own problems, let them stew in them". Why is this?
The laws passed in recent years were written by the industry to favor the industry and we're expected to just keep quiet and pay the tab. Most of us are one health-care crisis away from losing everything we've worked for and at the mercy of our HMOs to grant the medical care we pay through the nose for every month.
Medi-Care has an overhead around 5% and their patients are treated by private physicians. The American public needs to wake up and demand that we get a system similar to Medi-Care, paid for through our taxes. I'd gladly pay the $550 per mo
I pay now to an HMO and not worry that they're going to deny me medical coverage due to a "prior condition" I didn't even know existed.

Posted by: a.strk | August 3, 2007 1:29 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278353&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278353%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Kabookey,

Did you bother to watch the video? Within the first few sentences the woman uttered, she said "my husband works 2 jobs"! Where do you get the idea she's a "welfare mother"? And, with what the Clinton administration did with the welfare system, there are a whole lot of "welfare mothers" left! You need to get you head out of you butt and see the world as it really exists, not as Rove, Chaney & Bush (in that order) define it for you.

Posted by: bilfoy | August 3, 2007 1:28 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278348&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278348%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Kabookey,

Did you bother to watch the video? Within the first few sentences the woman utter, she said "my husband works 2 jobs"! Where do you get the idea she's a "welfare mother"? And, with what the Clinton administration did with the welfare system, there are a whole lot of "welfare mothers" left! You need to get you head out of you butt and see the world as it really exists, not as Rove, Chaney & Bush (in that order) define it for you.

Posted by: bilfoy | August 3, 2007 1:28 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278347&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278347%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

In this debate versus an actual person Romney came out okay, for a politician. I'd like to see the Biden clip, too.

Posted by: superyeadon | August 3, 2007 1:26 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278335&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278335%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Only in America are people so filled with such a spirit of exceptionalism that they refuse to entertain any ideas from other countries.

Here's the stats, folks, Take Canada, the per capita spending on health care is approx. 55-60% of the US. Canadian average life expectantcy is about 20 months longer than the US. European numbers are similar to the CDN ones.

Sounds like a more efficient system to me.

The second guy who used a wheel didn't reinvent it.

Posted by: gelliott | August 3, 2007 1:26 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278336&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278336%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The entire health care debate is lacking in some critical information. 48 million people may be uninsured but how many of those have elected to not purchase insurance and choose to pay as you go? There are many fixes available in the current system to reduce costs such as a common insurance billing method so that large staffs are not required to process insurance billing. Malpractice award reform that would reduce insurance premiums on doctors and hospitals. A disincentive for people to overuse services. For example if you go to the doctor with a cold to get an anitbiotic prescription neither the office visit nor prescription would be coverd. When a third party is paying the freight most people tend to over use services. Government run universal health care does achieve some savings but the majority of those savings comes at the price of restricting access. If you need an MRI or a biopsy of a tumor in the US you will have it done in a few days. In Canada or Britan you will wait weeks or months just to see a specialist. Canada faces a severe shortage of primary care doctors because of low pay and long working hours. I think before we jump into the single payer health care system we need a lot more information and careful study. Health care access might not be the reason for higher infant mortality and lower life expectancy. It could well be related to inner city violence, drug use and high school drop out rates. None of which are related to health care systems

Posted by: donjbrown | August 3, 2007 1:25 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278325&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278325%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

JC_VA and Bevjims, I agree with your points of view. Clearly some folks want healthcare to be a right and some folks want it to be a privilege. I know what I want for America. Even the most selfish person MUST understand that if we do not control disease and sickness it will spread over into the world of the rich and healthy. How can anyone want to hold America's progress back to selfishly. Are we to be the last country on the planet to place citizen's health over a few people's wealth. The greed often exhibited by opponents of healthcare progress is disgusting and foul.

Posted by: free-donny | August 3, 2007 1:23 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278321&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278321%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

A pediatrician told me that mothers in Medicaid took their children to see him much more often than mothers who have private insurance. If we have universal health care, do we have enough doctors to take care of everyone?

Posted by: pli1 | August 3, 2007 1:22 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278315&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278315%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Bevjims are you aware that our highly efficient government can't account for trillions of dollars every year. In 2001 the day before 9-11 Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference and announced that the DOD could not account for 2.7 Trillion dollars. It just vanished, so effecient is not even close to appropriate to use as a definition of this government

Posted by: jjrglobal | August 3, 2007 1:18 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278306&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278306%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

katakaha, here are some statistics for you to chew on (don't tell the guy who doesn't believe in statistics). The average big drug company spends 11% of its budget on research and development, 19% on profit (twice the average of all industries) and 34% on marketing. This marketing includes not only the annoying ads on TV & magazines, but also the pushers who bug physicians to use their drugs and payments to doctors, both direct and indirect (fancy vacations in the guise of conferences). The main purposes of marketing is to get physicians to prescribe new expensive drugs even when older cheaper drugs are better.

You might also consider that drug companies to very little basic research. All the ground breaking discoveries come from the government (NIH, etc.) and the Universities.

Posted by: lensch | August 3, 2007 1:17 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278299&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278299%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Bevjims are you aware that our highly efficient government can't account for trillions of dollars every year. In 2001 the day before 9-11 Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference and announced that the DOD could not account for 2.7 Trillion dollars. It just vanished, so effecient is not even close to appropriate to use as a definition of this government

Posted by: jjrglobal | August 3, 2007 1:16 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278295&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278295%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Boy, talk about class warfare. It's not hard to identify the wealthy and the working in this discussion.

Them that has, gets. Them that don't, don't. And that is especially true of health care in this country.

Posted by: realworld51 | August 3, 2007 1:14 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278286&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278286%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Kaoboobey, I am sure that others have given you an impassioned and intelligent rebuttal to your comments. Mine is simpler and more in line with your intelligence level - F**k you and your opinion too!

Posted by: LABC | August 3, 2007 1:14 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278281&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278281%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The analogy of the fire department is not a good example. Fire departments are local entities run by the city government. The constitution was set up to have states and local governments run programs more effiently than the federal government. When it comes to the federal government their duty is largely to regulate trade and protect the country in defending it's freedoms, not get into and control and solve all of people's problems. The order to that is: self, family, church, community and then state. Keep it local and you'll have more control. Keep it in Washington and you will have no control.

Posted by: jskousen | August 3, 2007 1:13 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278273&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278273%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

This hard working woman indicated that she had a husband who works two jobs. And I only heard her mention having three children not four. But somehow she has morphed in the minds of many posters to this Board into a single welfare mother with four children! She didn't even indicate that she lacked health care; she only complained about its high initial cost and the high cost of deductibles.

What does this situation and the ungenerous response of so many people tell us about how out of touch many Americans are with the plight of the working class in this country?

The people who are reading this article on the internet are generally not hard working blue collar workers and they clearly have no understanding of their plight. Such blindness must at some level be chosen.

It is far easier to feel superior and judgmental about those who are worse off than ourselves than it is to feel compassion. But it is a sign of poor character. And don't the Republicans always go on and on about the importance of character? And what about the Christians who have made their home in the Republican party? The seem to have forgotten their master's love of the poor and downtrodden.

Posted by: mwhall | August 3, 2007 1:12 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278270&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278270%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

What people don't seem to understand is that the cost of health care is high only because the insurance companies and the pharmacutical companies like it that way. The politicians are living in the pockets of these lobbies, and are paid well to scare the American people into believing that universal health care is the spawn of the devil. While universal health care is funded by taxes, I doubt that those taxes are any higher than the amount of money that the insurance company collects from the paychecks of those who are lucky enough to have it. As a health care provider, I have seen insurance companies fight and harrass both patients and physicans, (including myself) to keep from having to pay for services. People are denied payment for emergency surgeries, and the insurance policy is cancelled or the premiums go so high that the people can no longer afford them. Medicare part D is a joke. The pharmiceutical companies are making out like bandits. The sad thing is--even if this country did try to enact universal health care, our government is too corrupt to do it right! And I love the argument about people having to wait forever in other countries for their surgery and needed care. Do you really thank that this doesn't happen in the USA? Many people with or without insurance are left in constant pain and frequently die, waiting for "approval". With universal health care (done right) it is the decision of the physician and the patient, not some insurnace company Dr that is paid to deny.

Posted by: katmacpa | August 3, 2007 1:11 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278266&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278266%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Why is it when poor people need help other people call it"begging the government to take care of them" but when the wealthy get government assitance its called good business practice even though the return to the governemnt or the people can be minimal at best. I think most people only want some help nothing wrong with that, THEY ONLY WANT SOME HELP and are not being asked to be taken care of by any means. All you lugheads that rant and rave against the poor should remember that no one makes it on their own everybody that is successful received some help in some shape, form, or fashion.

Posted by: kewlair | August 3, 2007 1:10 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278258&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278258%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

It is appalling to me that The United States of America is still in the dark ages in caring for its citizens. We are spending a trillion dollars on this Iraq thing. I think that would be more than enough for top notch health care fo all Americans. I know that big HMO's and big pharmaceutical don't want it, but I say: Screw 'em. Call it "socialized medicine" if you want, but we need it!

Posted by: jerbo1 | August 3, 2007 1:09 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278253&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278253%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

A lot of our most talented youth go into medicine because it pays well. Greed is more reliable than altruism. Treating difficult diseases is expensive, and developing treatments is ridiculously expensive. The major drug companies make huge profits, but small pharmaceuticals die all the time, and even the big outfits rely on a very narrow pipeline of new drugs that they spend an enormous amount of money on to keep trickling. If you have a cold, you'll probably have better access to adequate care in Cuba. If you have intractable rheumatoid arthritis, or Crohn's Disease for that matter, no one in Cuba is going to provide you with Etanercept. You are going to suffer until you die, not only from your disease, but also from complications of the cheaper, less specific drugs they will give to you. Because we pay so damn much, our system provides the incentives to develop new treatments that would otherwise never be developed. These treatments eventually come off patent, and they become available for much less forever. In this way, we subsidize drug discovery for the entire world. On the other hand, it leaves a lot of people priced out of the market. Thus, the Mass. plan sounds like a reasonable compromise. If we're going to spend money on anything, why not health care? Instead of getting upset, jump on the wagon and get a job in the health care sector. There is such a high demand for nurses that we import huge numbers of them; doctors, too. Nursing school is not very long. The work is hard, but it pays well, the benefits are good, and it is a portable skill.

Posted by: _kt_ | August 3, 2007 1:07 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278241&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278241%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

While I whole heartedly agree with the politics of blaming the woman for having four children she can't afford , we mustn't forget to blame her sick children for being born in the first place. Hopefully they will learn an important lesson while they suffer.
Just something to think about, see you in church! God bless!

Posted by: mack1 | August 3, 2007 1:07 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278237&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278237%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

To say that Government does not have a responsibility to its people makes me wonder why we even have a government. I feel that it is the job of the government to take care of it people. We continually seem to be grasping for an answer that satisfies the critics to our way and at the same time allows us to look at ourselves in the mirror. I for one think that the only way to fix our problem, with both healthcare, social problems, and infrastructure failures is to believe in government again. It is not the only answer but should at least be among the choices.

Posted by: hansenderred | August 3, 2007 1:06 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278236&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278236%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

To say that Government does not have a responsibility to its people makes me wonder why we even have a government. I feel that it is the job of the government to take care of it people. We continually seem to be grasping for an answer that satisfies the critics to our way and at the same time allows us to look at ourselves in the mirror. I for one think that the only way to fix our problem, with both healthcare, social problems, and infrastructure failures is to believe in government again. It is not the only answer but should at least be among the choices.

Posted by: hansenderred | August 3, 2007 1:06 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278233&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278233%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I constantly amazes me that the Americans so against "socialized" medicine have no problem living with and using their "socialized" fire departments. You know , those government run ones where they tax people based on their ability to pay, then they supply fire protection to everyone.

Sounds positively communistic to me.

Posted by: gelliott | August 3, 2007 1:05 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278229&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278229%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"Yeah, I'm not sure another inefficient government bureaucracy is the best approach."

Why this expectation that government bureaucracy is inefficient? Saying it over and over does not make it so. Have you heard of late Social Security checks? Wrong amounts? Did the IRS send you the wrong refund, or forget to send it at all? How about the FBI, NOAA, NASA and others who we consider well trained and very competent? Do you worry when you fly because a government bureaucracy (FAA) is managing take offs and landings and flight routes?

Come on people, the government can be very efficient and well run. Taking hundreds of private healthcare plans that care only about profits and switching to a universal plan overseen (not necessarily run) by the feds will bring efficiencies you cannot imagine. The current system is wholely innefficient, unfair, unequal and in short a total mess. To say government would be worse ignores the very good government programs that have sustained themselves over the years to the point we just expect them to be run very well.

As a simple example consider the fate of patients who require dialysis. There were few dialysis machines in the 1960s and hospitals had to decide who got dialysis and who did not (died). This was wrenching for all involved. The solution was to have the federal government step in. Also consdier the issue of orphan drugs, drugs that treat diseases that are so rare it makes no economic sense for the drug manufacturer to develop or even produce the drug. In both cases the government stepped in to subsidize or otherwise "fix" the problem with the totally capitalistic based healthcare system. Also consider the billions the feds hand out to researchers to do research that otherwise would not be done in our capatalistic society. Capitalism is wonderful but it has its limits. Capitalism would never have gotten us to the moon and never would have provided dialysis machine for every American who needs one nor produced orphan drugs.

So get over this notion that all other countries with socialized healthcare sucks while our capitalistic model is a beacon of perfection. Our system is already partly socialized. The argument is over socializing it more to provide healthcare cheaper and more equally. I'm paying through the nose for my healthcare and I have $40 co-pays and some procedures are not covered. A fried pays less, has NO copays and procedures that mine will not cover his does. Can I switch to his insurer? No, its not offered by my company. What a beautiful system.

Posted by: bevjims1 | August 3, 2007 1:05 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278228&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278228%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

First and foremost we the people are the govenment and if you haven't noticed, the government has been doing it's best to take care of big business/corporations not the people. The theory that privatization of government business will be more cost effective and efficient has been disproved by our healthcare system and the Iraq war. Healthcare for profit began during the Nixon administration and they have brought us to the lofty position of ranking 38th in the world for healthcare for the world's MOST EXPENSIVE healthcare system!

Wake up and smell the coffee. I am sure you "conservatives" expect your government to build and maintain bridges, provide for a defense system, build your roads, and make sure your food is safe and I haven't heard anyone calling that socialism or a government hand out. The cost of healthcare in this country is outrageous--and a darn greedy business. And to the person who criticized the waitress for having children she couldn't afford -- shame on you. 1) You haven't a clue about the histroy of the woman and 2) what kind of human being are you that thinks any child or any human being doesn't deserve to see their children well taken care of. She is not asking for a house with a swimming pool, she is asking to be able to raise her children with affordable healtcare. In England and France - she need only take them to the doctor. Have we have become an "I've got mine, too bad for you" nation? I don't care if the guy at the next table travels in a $30,000,000. personal jet and I fly coach--but healthcare is a different deal. And, by the way, business is so good for some people you can't get a delivery position at Bombardier for a $30,000,000. jet until 2011 and it's pretty much the same at Gulfstream. How much is your gas bill affecting your household budget?

Posted by: wards | August 3, 2007 1:05 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278227&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278227%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

First and foremost we the people are the govenment and if you haven't noticed, the government has been doing it's best to take care of big business/corporations not the people. The theory that privatization of government business will be more cost effective and efficient has been disproved by our healthcare system and the Iraq war. Healthcare for profit began during the Nixon administration and they have brought us to the lofty position of ranking 38th in the world for healthcare for the world's MOST EXPENSIVE healthcare system!

Wake up and smell the coffee. I am sure you "conservatives" expect your government to build and maintain bridges, provide for a defense system, build your roads, and make sure your food is safe and I haven't heard anyone calling that socialism or a government hand out. The cost of healthcare in this country is outrageous--and a darn greedy business. And to the person who criticized the waitress for having children she couldn't afford -- shame on you. 1) You haven't a clue about the histroy of the woman and 2) what kind of human being are you that thinks any child or any human being doesn't deserve to see their children well taken care of. She is not asking for a house with a swimming pool, she is asking to be able to raise her children with affordable healtcare. In England and France - she need only take them to the doctor. Have we have become an "I've got mine, too bad for you" nation? I don't care if the guy at the next table travels in a $30,000,000. personal jet and I fly coach--but healthcare is a different deal. And, by the way, business is so good for some people you can't get a delivery position at Bombardier for a $30,000,000. jet until 2011 and it's pretty much the same at Gulfstream. How much is your gas bill affecting your household budget?

Posted by: wards | August 3, 2007 1:05 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278226&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278226%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

But if you think the insurance companies hire idiots, deal with morons at the medicaid office. They make the insurance boobs look like Harvard Grads

Posted by: jjrglobal | August 3, 2007 1:04 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278222&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278222%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

But if you think the insurance companies hire idiots, deal with morons at the medicaid office. They make the insurance boobs look like Harvard Grads

Posted by: jjrglobal | August 3, 2007 1:04 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278221&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278221%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Reading responses from heartless right-winger, they assume anyone that does not make six figures should have kids! They are against abortion and birth control. They are "pro-life" but don't value LIFE if it's not born in a wealthy family.

The War In Iraq Costs $449,819,540,599. That amount could have insured 270 million kids for a year. We could have built 4,100,000 additional housing units. We could have hired 7,778,094 additional public school teachers for one year. We could have paid for 59,446,346 children to attend a year of Head Start. We could have provided 21,757,807 students four-year scholarships at public universities.

Posted by: JC_VA | August 3, 2007 1:03 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278219&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278219%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Daniel said "All three conditions are being treated with drugs, not with diet. She should stop shoveling the S on a shingle at the diner and tell her children to eat their vegetables."

I can't agree more with your statement about getting children to eat better. However, in regards to the diseases listed..diet isn't really going to do much for them, I fear. I can't say I have experience, or even much knowledge of ADD or Chrons..but I have 13 years experience with Type one diabetes under my belt. If she is saying that her child has diabetes then there is an excellent chance that the child has type one, and not type two. Type two, yes, is often the result of poor diet. Type one is not. I am a fairly healthy person, given my circumstances. I eat right and have all of my life. But I still have diabetes. No amount of diet is going to change that. It frustrates me that people make blanket statements like that - there is no quick fix for these problems. You can't just look down upon her and her children and tell her that she is somehow not giving them what they need. It is no fault of their own that they have the diseases that they have. They need affordable health care. They need lower monthly payments and cheaper co-pays. Not a lecture from some one who clearly isn't even familiar with any of the diseases that this poor woman has to deal with day in and day out.

Posted by: calotype | August 3, 2007 1:00 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278204&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278204%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Just to clarify something, we do not have a free market healthcare system in this country. I would define it as "corporate socialized medicine" The fact is the insurance companies are robbing the American public and they are robbing the physicians as well. As premiums go up, reimbursement goes down. Not only does the reimbursement continue to steadily decline year after year, but they find new and clever ways to deny claims. One of my favorite is the timely filing deadline of 90 days. What happens is a parent (we are a pediatric clinic) comes in and gives us the insurance info, we verify, perform the necessary treatment, bill the insurance company, claim is denied 60 or 70 days later because the other parent had insurance on the child too. By the time you work your tail off to finally get to the bottom of which insurance is actually responsible, oops to late, denied due to timely filing. It appeared that clearinghouses were going to be somewhat of a savior, since it would offer digital proof of timely filing. Guess what, the insurance companies bought the clearinghouses. You want to know why healthcare costs so much, there you go. One need look no further than the CEO of United Healthcare and his pension of 1.7 billion dollars to determine why we pay so much. Why cant we just have a free market with health insurance for catastrophic events. You don't claim your home owners every time you break a window, so why would you claim every time you see your primary care provider. In an open market prices would fall dramatically, for the lady paying the fifty dollar copay, well thats what we actually charge our cash paying patients. If a person comes in our clinic with a fifty dollar copay for a regular sick visit, the insurance company's payment to the doctor would not be more than $30 max avg is $16. That gets eaten up pretty quick in administration costs dealing with the incompetent boobs that they intentionally employee.

Posted by: jjrglobal | August 3, 2007 12:59 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278198&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278198%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Good for the people in New Hampshire!

We live in a time where the cost of acheiving a basic standard of living is getting harder and harder. Even for those of us who are perceived to have the best of it.

Health Care, like shelter, food and clothing is not a privilage, it is a right. Without these things, individuals can not be productive citizens and produce more wealth.

Shame on Romney for falling back on a stump speech when he had an opportunity to address an importland public issue from the heart!

Posted by: justinlgottlieb | August 3, 2007 12:59 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278194&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278194%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

What else do we have a government for if it is not there to take care of the citizens? I'd rather my taxes go to help the poor in this nation, even the laziest of wefare cheats, than to bomb humans in other countries or give corporate thugs tax breaks.

Posted by: meowomon | August 3, 2007 12:58 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278187&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278187%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

All the comments about government help in private insurance are from folks with good health insurance (and probabaly all Christian). Best read The Christ's admonitions about the way to heaven.

Posted by: jaafl100 | August 3, 2007 12:58 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278175&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278175%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

First and foremost we the people are the govenment and if you haven't noticed, the government has been doing it's best to take care of big business/corporation not the people. The theory that privatization of government business will be more effective has been disproved by our healthcare system and the Iraq war. HMO's (healthcare for profit) began during the Nixon administration and they have brought us to the lofty position of ranking 38th in the world for healthcare.

Wake up and smell the coffee. I am sure you "conservatives" expect your government to build and maintain bridges, provide for a defense system, build your roads, and make sure your food is safe and I haven't heard anyone calling that socialism or a government hand out. The cost of healthcare in this country is outrageous--and a darn greedy business. Have we have become an "I've got mine, too bad for you" nation? I don't care if the guy at the next table travels in a $30,000,000. personal jet and I fly coach--but healthcare is a different deal. And, by the way, business is so good for some people you can't get a delivery position at Bombardier for a $30,000,000. jet until 2011 and it's pretty much the same at Gulfstream. How much is your gas bill affecting your household budget?

Posted by: wards | August 3, 2007 12:53 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278156&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278156%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

It's not quite correct to say that US medical care is poor. (Quality of care is spotty, but that is another story. Finding a good physician is harder than finding a good mechanic.) It is more accurate to say that the US population is sicker than that of most other industrialized countries. If you look deeper, you find that this is largely due to diseases of excess such as heart disease and type II diabetes, and with myriad problems associated with our blighted inner cities. If we kept everyone too poor to afford meat, candy, drugs, and alcohol, and forced them to exercise regularly, most of our public health problems would go away. If lack of insurance were the only cause of our poor stats, people on Medicaid would be a whole lot healthier than they actually are. Poor patient compliance with medical instructions is the bane of care delivery, especially with type II diabetes. Our system treats medical care as a commodity, and since payment is dominated by insured people, people don't economize and there is less incentive to offer discount services. It is like a transportation system that only offers fine automobiles; no buses, trains, or Hyundais. This has advantages and disadvantages. If you are really sick with some exotic or very difficult condition, and need the world's best care, you're going to want to go to someplace like Johns Hopkins Hospital. At the same time, Baltimore City has the third lowest life expectancy of any county in the nation (see Murray CJL et al. PLoS Medicine Vol. 3, No. 9, e260.)

Posted by: _kt_ | August 3, 2007 12:52 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278148&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278148%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Health care is a luxury, not a right. The medical establishment, marketing and politics have skewed reality. In a society that allows each of us to persue life, liberty and happiness, none of us are guaranteed any of them. Only the opportunity. Any government involvement in the redistribution of its citizens hard earned dollars, is contrary to our founding pricipals. Welfare, corporate or individual is simply wrong. Our government has been wrongfully turned into a warehouse of public assist. Where were all of these "social safety nets" when the pioneers were crossing the plains? What? You mean that those people had to take care of themselves? Somehow life goes on.

Posted by: tgordon | August 3, 2007 12:50 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278137&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278137%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

To use a phrase from Dick Cheney, "There is no doubt" that we are without universal health insurance because of the plutocratic effect of the insurance lobby. What Ms. Griffin said is more representative of the feelings of the real America than the corporation-pleasing proposal put forth by Romney. The despicable manner in which this country handles the issue of affordable health care is inexcusable for such a wealthy nation founded with a republican vision. The only explanation is that this new Gilded Age has concentrated extraordinary power in the hands of the few plutocrats who really don't care as much about Ms. Griffin as the "bottom line." Just consider how much money they spend to make prostitutes of our politicians!

Posted by: sjenn | August 3, 2007 12:50 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278133&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278133%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Does one person's perceived need automatically translate into a claim on another person's income/property? Answer: No, unless you think that it's all right to steal. And doesn't one of the Ten Commandments say something about stealing?

Posted by: briantfarmer | August 3, 2007 12:48 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278123&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278123%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

AndrewKSurprise, I am a mathematician and I am afraid you are the one who needs to look at your faulty math. In 1950 when SS was started there were 16 workers per retiree. Now, as you say there are 3.3. BUT the SS system now has the biggest yearly surplus in history; the trust fund is the largest in history. So somehow we managed to survive a 85% decrease in your statistic with flying colors, Futhermore, if we did O.K. with an 85% decrease, why should we worry about about a coming 35% decrease? The point is there are many other factors and some of them overwhelm the demographics. Almost everything else you say is also wrong. I would advise you to read what Dr. Goss, chief actuary of the SS Administration has to say about the difference between projections (what he does) and predictions which is how you are using his projections which are useless as predictions.

Posted by: lensch | August 3, 2007 12:45 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278113&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278113%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I have a real problem with the debate taking place over this question. How can there be any question whatsoever about the Federal Government's responsibility to provide care for it's populace. Why do we have a government except to take care of those problems that are bigger than what we as individuals can take care of?
Why is it important to worry about whether this waitress, who is working, has a child with Chroehns and another with diabetes is getting more of a free ride than someone else?
Profits need to take a second chair to the welfare of the individual and it is neither healthy or in anyone's welfare to run this country like an ecconomic track meet where only the fittest survive.

Posted by: aeschonfeld | August 3, 2007 12:43 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278108&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278108%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I have a real problem with the debate taking place over this question. How can there be any question whatsoever about the Federal Government's responsibility to provide care for it's populace. Why do we have a government except to take care of those problems that are bigger than what we as individuals can take care of?
Why is it important to worry about whether this waitress, who is working, has a child with Chroehns and another with diabetes is getting more of a free ride than someone else?
Profits need to take a second chair to the welfare of the individual and it is neither healthy or in anyone's welfare to run this country like an ecconomic track meet where only the fittest survive.

Posted by: aeschonfeld | August 3, 2007 12:43 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278109&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278109%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I have a real problem with the debate taking place over this question. How can there be any question whatsoever about the Federal Government's responsibility to provide care for it's populace. Why do we have a government except to take care of those problems that are bigger than what we as individuals can take care of?
Why is it important to worry about whether this waitress, who is working, has a child with Chroehns and another with diabetes is getting more of a free ride than someone else?
Profits need to take a second chair to the welfare of the individual and it is neither healthy or in anyone's welfare to run this country like an ecconomic track meet where only the fittest survive.

Posted by: aeschonfeld | August 3, 2007 12:43 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278107&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278107%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I have a real problem with the debate taking place over this question. How can there be any question whatsoever about the Federal Government's responsibility to provide care for it's populace. Why do we have a government except to take care of those problems that are bigger than what we as individuals can take care of?
Why is it important to worry about whether this waitress, who is working, has a child with Chroehns and another with diabetes is getting more of a free ride than someone else?
Profits need to take a second chair to the welfare of the individual and it is neither healthy or in anyone's welfare to run this country like an ecconomic track meet where only the fittest survive.

Posted by: aeschonfeld | August 3, 2007 12:43 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278106&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278106%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I have a real problem with the debate taking place over this question. How can there be any question whatsoever about the Federal Government's responsibility to provide care for it's populace. Why do we have a government except to take care of those problems that are bigger than what we as individuals can take care of?
Why is it important to worry about whether this waitress, who is working, has a child with Chroehns and another with diabetes is getting more of a free ride than someone else?
Profits need to take a second chair to the welfare of the individual and it is neither healthy or in anyone's welfare to run this country like an ecconomic track meet where only the fittest survive.

Posted by: aeschonfeld | August 3, 2007 12:43 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278102&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278102%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I wasn't going to comment on this, because it's much too long, but some dimwit mentioned Australia. I am a nurse who worked at many hospitals in America, and I now work at a big-city government-run hospital in Melbourne, Australia. And you know what, mates? It's better here.

NO AUSSIE WORRIES THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE CARED FOR IF THEY'RE SICK. Got that? NO AUSSIE WORRIES! People might wait a long time for hip and knee replacements, but if they fall and break a hip, or if they have a heart attack, they come to hospital and get treated straight away. The medicines, equipment and treatment protocols are the same as they are in the U.S.

What's different is that people don't worry that they're going to go broke, or that they won't be able to afford their medicine. They also aren't bum-rushed out of hospital before they're ready to go home. And when they do go home, they get visits from medical people courtesy of their local council of the Royal District Nursing Service.

You see, Australia takes care of its people. Citizens are regarded as having value as human beings. The hate-filled attitude I see here from right-wingers is that they want less-fortunate Americans to suffer and die. That's sick. People like them remind me of why I left the country.

Australians pay high taxes, but they get good service. And the service is better in the government hospitals than the private ones. I've heard that from patients who have been in both facilities. The private hospitals tend to take the easy cases, while anything complicated goes to the public system. My hospital operates both a public and private side, so I see it happening.

So all you scrooges saying "I hate socialised medicine. I hate taxes" let me ask you: Do YOU have health insurance? Are YOU satisfied? If YOU got sick, with a chronic condition like Crohn's, what good would your low taxes do you? Wouldn't you rather be in Australia, or Canada, or some part of the civilised world?

Posted by: Bukkonen | August 3, 2007 12:41 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278090&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278090%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The US might have the best healthcare in the world but only the select few who are rich or have Congressional health insurance can access it. I know I cannot eventhough I have insurance. I cannot cover the deductable and co-pays and I have a good job.

Now for all the conservatives, if you want to say 'put money in a Medical (Flexible) Savings account to cover costs'...I say to you, how can I afford to save $2000 each year for my deductable, then save 20% of a major surgery which could very easily be $10,000 or more? And even if I could do that, I lose that money at the end of every year. Why should I lose what I worked hard to earn?

The Federal government was intended to provide common services for all citizens that were deemed for the common good. Healthcare is a common service that benefits us all. All you have to do is think about The Plague getting a foothold here in the US. How quickly will it infect us all, even the rich with great insurance, if we have people running around without insurance and unable to see a doctor? The ability to seek medical help asap is key to keeping our country free and great.

So if I have to pay more in taxes to get healthcare, I will, provided I can get it without deductables, co-pays, and all the other crap designed to make money for the insurance companies.

Posted by: skramsv | August 3, 2007 12:41 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278089&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278089%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Interesting, how the author of this article and some of the responders are dismissing Romney's answers as "canned" and "scripted." What, that's all? It seems to me that Romney answered all of Griffin's questions. He just didn't give her the answer she wanted to hear, that everything would and should be free.

It really amazes me how people don't seem to mind paying big bucks for clothes, or Internet and cable TV service, or a car. But we expect the professionals who care for our bodies and save our lives to work for charity. Huh?

It's already been decided, by liberals and conservatives alike, that we aren't going to withhold care from those who can't afford it. Human compassion mandates that we care for each other. And so we take patients with life-threatening conditions, treat them, and figure-out how to pay for it later.

Human responsibility mandates that we expect everyone to do what they can to help, too. Romney's Massachusetts plan allows people to choose their preferred plan, while mandating that all residents have SOME plan and contribute to it. That is certainly reasonable ... every bit as reasonable as paying for rent, phone service, or groceries. It's everyone contributing their fair share. A deductible for a simple doctor's visit is reasonable. Insurance was never intended to pay for all routine medical expenses ... just catastrophic expenses that would wipe-out a patient financially, and place an unusually high and heavy burden on them, if not doom them to unpaid medical debt for the rest of their lives.

So instead of beating on Romney because we don't like the SOUND of his answers, let's look (as Romney asked Griffin to) at the facts, his policy, and how it has worked in Massachusetts.

Is Romney canned and scripted, or PREPARED? It all depends on whether you're already against him or not.

Posted by: qas | August 3, 2007 12:38 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278077&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278077%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Why are people clamoring for a status quo that is an incomplete mish-mash of people falling through cracks, on both the private side and the public side. We already have socialized medicine, just the most incompetent implementation of it in the industrialized world. That's one thing we can get from this federal government, incompetence. Either lead or get out of the way.

Posted by: jay1 | August 3, 2007 12:38 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278075&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278075%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The difference between the waitress and Romney is the difference between the vast majority of "real" people and a plastic programmed politician with his talking points.

Posted by: jfob | August 3, 2007 12:38 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278072&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278072%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Every American alive knows that REPUBLICAN run governments will spend their way into enormous deficits if the flow of cash is for them or their cronies. Ask for health insurance, or disaster relief (Katrina), or anything to benefit ordinary citizens and it's song and dance time. Romney wants to continue Bush's enormously costly war while Americans go without. Romney is a liar intent upon jerking around the citizenry with fictitious plans and theories about the ways in which Republican run governments care for us. He got caught serving up his BS in a diner in NH.

Posted by: MaryLouHarper | August 3, 2007 12:37 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278067&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278067%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

so is Mr. Flip Flop Romney proposing what the democrats all have been asking for National Healthcare...The same National Healthcare that the Republicans keep voting down and the President promises to veto??? National Healthcare? or is he going to Flip-Flop AGAIN?

Posted by: Elvis1 | August 3, 2007 12:36 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278063&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278063%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Medicare and Medicaid along with Social Security are part of the entitlement society. They are bankrupting the system, and people that have payed into the system, are now getting more money back through these programs than they ever payed in.

These programs are are becoming an ever increasing portion of the budget. Medicare alone is now 12% of the federal budget. This is going to increase exponentially over the next decade with the retirement of baby boomers.

3.3 workers are today paying for the Social Security benefits of 1 retiree. By 2020 there will be only 2 workers paying for each retiree's benefit. The portion of your paycheck paying for someone else's retirement is going to become ever larger. By the time Generation X retires the system will be utterly broke. There will be no money left for today's workers to retire.

The liberal politicians of this country either cannot do simple math, or they refuse to acknowledge the obvious. Even knowing full well that the system is broken, and to allow it to continue on its current course is a recipe for disaster. The moment anyone mentions reform the Democrats dig in their heels. They are beholden to special interest groups, and continue to buy votes with promises of continued welfare/SS/medicare benefits. They utterly rejected private retirement accounts, and refuse to make citizens take responsibility for their own lives. Big Brother was nothing compared to what the left intends to do in this country.

If you want to see what socialized medicine leads to, just look at Great Britain and Canada. Their systems are utterly broken, its takes months and even years to see a doctor or schedule a surgery in those nations, all the while your health is deteriorating. This is what the Democrats desire for America.

Romney is correct in everything he said, private insurance is the only way to ensure continued quality healthcare for the vast majority of Americans. States need to make plans that are suitable for their citizens. There is no one size fits all plan that the federal government can enforce.

Aditionally Social Security either needs to be privatized, or the feds need to allow for private retirement accounts. Otherwise the system will go bankrupt in less than two decades. When President Bush and the GOP attempted this the Democrats blocked it with ever tactic they could conceive. It would have saved the system, but it also would have taken away one of the Democrats biggest campaign issues. They are truly repugnant human beings, sacrificing our nations future for political power....

Posted by: AndrewKSurprise | August 3, 2007 12:35 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278055&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278055%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I will have to sign off after this one to take care of my grandson. I am a Christian.I feel the extreme right wing of the Republican Party has hijacked Christians to push their political agenda. We are slipping back to 1900 when the barons controlled the country. But they forgot what the poor and middle class did in response. We came extremely close to becoming a one party country. Our freedom is more important than any party. We should pay more attention to what the people want and not what the barons want. Perhaps our democracy will survive, perhaps not.
Ken Barnett

Posted by: kenbarnett62 | August 3, 2007 12:34 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278052&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278052%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"I for one, and I'm a government employee, have no desire to see the government running a national health care plan; however, we should expect of our government to provide certain minimum services to the stakeholders"

Yeah, I'm not sure another inefficient government bureaucracy is the best approach.

"In the end, it's not the governments' fault - we only have to look in the mirrors as we continue to allow our representatives to act in their best interests and not ours."

I agree 100%!

Posted by: jasreilly | August 3, 2007 12:33 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278048&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278048%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I'm not a Romney fan (at least not yet) but I think he did a good job handling an ambush from a lady who is justifiably concerned.

Posted by: pofr | August 3, 2007 12:30 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278030&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278030%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

We have not always had some form of "socialized medicine". We had people dying by the thousands in the flu epidemic of 1918. We had children sent to sanitariums to die without care until WWII as pauper graves flurished. If you want to sanitize society of the lazy, the weak, the poor, then we're on the right track. "Socialized medicine" is a convinent term for those who don't want to help their neighbors, community or "those people." It's class-ism in its ugliest form.

We have had a social contract with our poor for decades. If you can get to an emergency room, they will take care of you, charge the bill to the State or Fed and pass the cost to taxpayers. This contract is breaking down due to increased population, lack of doctors and nurses and a growing uninsured population. And worst of all, corporate greed.

Resulting in "for profit" hospitals, restrictive employee benefits, pre-existing contract clauses, sky-rocketing medicine prices and wind-fall malpractice awards.

A national heath plan is needed for our country. The system is broken. So let's avoid the term "socialized medicine" people until someone accually proposes Government hospitals and doctors earning the minimum wage.

Posted by: pandabreath | August 3, 2007 12:30 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278029&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278029%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

We have not always had some form of "socialized medicine". We had people dying by the thousands in the flu epidemic of 1918. We had children sent to sanitariums to die without care until WWII as pauper graves flurished. If you want to sanitize society of the lazy, the weak, the poor, then we're on the right track. "Socialized medicine" is a convinent term for those who don't want to help their neighbors, community or "those people." It's class-ism in its ugliest form.

We have had a social contract with our poor for decades. If you can get to an emergency room, they will take care of you, charge the bill to the State or Fed and pass the cost to taxpayers. This contract is breaking down due to increased population, lack of doctors and nurses and a growing uninsured population. And worst of all, corporate greed.

Resulting in "for profit" hospitals, restrictive employee benefits, pre-existing contract clauses, sky-rocketing medicine prices and wind-fall malpractice awards.

A national heath plan is needed for our country. The system is broken. So let's avoid the term "socialized medicine" people until someone accually proposes Government hospitals and doctors earning the minimum wage.

Posted by: pandabreath | August 3, 2007 12:30 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278028&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278028%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

To all the people who have been questioning the quality of socialized medicine in Canada and Europe, I would pose this question: How come you never read in any major international publications, about people in Canada, the EU, etc, clamoring for a privatized system? I occasionally hear some calls for reform, but I have never heard a demand for an American like system. Read the Economist (which I think most anyone would agree is a centrist to conservative news mag) and you will get a fairly accurate portrait of single player systems. Do they have their flaws? Yes. But the quality of care for the vast majority of people goes up.

Posted by: andetcetera | August 3, 2007 12:27 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278009&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278009%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

My fellow Americans, please don't listen to the drivel from people like 'mussina4' on this board and elsewhere. I'm sorry sir (or ma'am), but you don't know what your talking about. I am an American that has experienced healthcare in 3 countries -the US, UK, and France. I'm sorry to say that I'd take the systems in the UK and, preferably, France ANY day of the wk over the US system (yes even though I have to pay more in taxes - heaven forbid!). I've lived in these countries...you haven't. You have no right misleading people with some nonsense that you read in some wacko, tabloid article about Australia. In the UK and France I NEVER have had to wait an unreasonable amt of time to see a physician (and I go fairly regularly). In the UK and France I NEVER experienced 5 five minute doctor's visits b/c my HMO doctor was so overloaded he could only devote a limited amount of time to each patient...as many on this board know, is an unfortunate reality in the US.

Trust me, I am a strong advocate of free markets and competition, but I believe this approach works best in markets that are structured in such a way where they can truly be 'open'. We all know that the complexity of the US healthcare system, prevents free information from passing to consumers which shifts the power from the consumer to the insurance companies, drug manufacturers, etc. Given this and because it's frankly too risky to play with peoples lives (which is what we're doing now), there has to be some stakeholder that controls against these inefficiencies...this is the rationale (and frankly a good one) for the government to have some level of involvement.

Finding a better job as a solution is a load of hogwash as well...It is well known that corporations (like what's happening with the auto industry) are drowning under increasing costs of health coverage for their workers, which, will result (and has started to result) in decreased coverage, increased premiums, etc. It's truly a crime that we let a flawed system continue and are so hesitant to do right thing by finding a way to cover the uninsured and underinsured.

Posted by: tsb2 | August 3, 2007 12:26 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278005&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278005%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Did anyone actually watch the video?! She isn't a welfare mom. She is frusturated with her situation, and rightfully so. In fact she is so frusturated that she is like an angry person on a customer service call. Mitt isn't responsible for her healthcare problems, but he explained a way to bring down healthcare costs which he implemented in MA and I think he did a good job actually addressing her question. She was just to frusturated with insurance that any mention of the word insurance turned her automatically off. We have to THINK instead of complain about what we can do to solve healthcare.

Posted by: MarilynSmiles | August 3, 2007 12:26 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201278004&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1278004%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

All you people condemning Ms Griffin for having kids should stop being so damn male-Republican in your attitude. We don't know why she's a single mom. Maybe her spouse is dead. Maybe she is divorced from a batterer. Maybe she had them on her own. Who knows? But don't judge her. She is struggling to support her family regardless.

And as a government official (or now a retired gov't official) Romney, you can be sure, doesn't pay a dime for health insurance despite all his money. We the tax payers pay it for him. Same can be said for my retired Army Colonel cousin who rails against "Hillary, that damned Socialist" and her proposed government healthcare system. This from a guy who at age 75 has NEVER paid a dime for health insurance in his life, gets it free from the government and yet doesn't see the conflict of his convictions. He, like Romney and most Republicans, is a hypocrite.

Posted by: Bobach | August 3, 2007 12:25 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277999&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277999%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

All you people condemning Ms Griffin for having kids should stop being so damn male-Republican in your attitude. We don't know why she's a single mom. Maybe her spouse is dead. Maybe she is divorced from a batterer. Maybe she had them on her own. Who knows? But don't judge her. She is struggling to support her family regardless.

And as a government official (or now a retired gov't official) Romney, you can be sure, doesn't pay a dime for health insurance despite all his money. We the tax payers pay it for him. Same can be said for my retired Army Colonel cousin who rails against "Hillary, that damned Socialist" and her proposed government healthcare system. This from a guy who at age 75 has NEVER paid a dime for health insurance in his life, gets it free from the government and yet doesn't see the conflict of his convictions. He, like Romney and most Republicans, is a hypocrite.

Posted by: Bobach | August 3, 2007 12:24 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277998&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277998%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"Jeez Mitt - $ 10.00 for each prescription---Wal-Mart sells them for $ 4.00."

Tell that to the waitress!

Posted by: jasreilly | August 3, 2007 12:24 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277996&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277996%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Ancient Marnier is absolutely right. When is it going to sink in that to have for-profit companies in charge of the health care of our nation represents a profound and deeply unethical conflict of interest. Because basically, either the insurance company exec gets a bonus, or I get my healthcare. It can't be both ways. The more claims they deny,the more money they make. This is economics at its most basic. I have lived all over the world, and had my children in Britain and Finland, and I can tell you that whatever the insurance lobbyists want you to believe, those countries doing healthcare well: both the "health" part and the "care" part.
I can see why so many people fear the government administering such an enormous program. So why not require any company that wants to deal in health insurance make themselves into a non-profit. The government can take over basic healthcare: wellness checks, immunizations, same day sickness and so on, and leave the rest - the hip replacements and heart by-passes to non-profits. --lkdobbs

Posted by: msdobbs2 | August 3, 2007 12:24 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277995&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277995%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

It's astounding how nasty, small-minded, and factually inaccurate comments the so-called "conservative" responses to this story are. For instance, the repeated references to this woman as being single, and a welfare mother - she is married, has a husband who works, and she works, as anyone who watched the video would know. She is paying for her inadequate health insurance with its obscene deductibles. Then we have the specious statements about America's healthcare system being the best in the world. First, we do not have a healthcare system, we have a healthcare bazarr in which shaddy merchants sell healthcare to the highest bidder. Yes, we have the world's technically best trained physicians, and we have the best medical technology, but if our so-called system were the world's best, we wouldn't have infant mortality rates and other standard health indicators that put us on a par with impoverished African nations.

Enough of the "freedom of choice" nonsense - we haven't had "freedom of choice" medical care in this country since the early 1950s, if we even had it then. It's time we recognized the realities of modern healthcare, and recognized that access to affordable healthcare is a basic human right.

Posted by: bdcolen | August 3, 2007 12:22 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277983&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277983%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Mitt said, "One of the things I'm proud of doing in my state is putting on track a plan that gets everybody health insurance." Excuse me!? "His" state!? He spent the last two years of his term traveling around the country -trashing- Massachusetts and making fun of it as a liberal backwater. He was -not- trying to bring business into Massachusetts and he clearly didn't care one wit about getting jobs for these people. Massachusetts is NOT Romney's state -- he quite clearly telegraphed his contempt for the people that put him in office and it is disgusting and dishonest to, now that he's running for president, try to use that time as an example of positive accomplishments. Disgraceful.

Posted by: carl.roller123 | August 3, 2007 12:21 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277981&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277981%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

God Bless Michelle, but we can see where the problem is. She has three children on medication, and she may be on medication herself. One with Chron's Disease, One with ADD and one with Diabetes.
All three conditions are being treated with drugs, not with diet. She should stop shoveling the S on a shingle at the diner and tell her children to eat their vegetables.
Blaming other is a refuge for her, makes her feel safe.
Yes, we need universal healthcare, but the first problem is the expense, and the grip that the pharmaceutical companies have on our government, healthcare and consciousness.
Give me a side of bacon and some restless leg syndrome please.

Posted by: daniel | August 3, 2007 12:21 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277980&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277980%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

tearoad, the church most commonly referred to as "Mormon," the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, gave up polygamy over 100 years ago, and preaching or practicing polygamy will get you excommunicated immediately. There is a very strong strain of self-reliance in their culture and preaching, not surprising for a group that came of age in the hard-scrabble frontier of the Rocky Mountain West. I don't know who your relative married, but it sounds more like a splinter group of some kind. As best as I can tell, these splinter groups and the main church look at each other with mutual loathing.

Posted by: _kt_ | August 3, 2007 12:21 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277978&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277978%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

In response to joedausch's comment:

"I think far too often this is seen and thought of as "if you have a problem, it's your job to solve it." And while I think a good dose of that is appropriate, I think an equally important corollary is, "if my neighbor has a problem, let us as individual neighbors who know and care for her, do what we can to help her, instead of relying on the government, an impersonal force primarily concerned with keeping itself in power, to help her." That is a concept that, I fear, is too widely ignored by both left and right in this country."

-I don't necessarily agree with your specific point, although I understand your larger message. I think you're probably onto something but it will take more than the goodwill of others to get anything long-lasting done.

But as a liberal, I appreciate that you laid out your more conservative case in a thoughtful and logical way as opposed to resorting to name-calling and immaterial points like so many others on this board.

If thoughtful, genuine people from your stripe and mine could work together in an intelectually honest way, I think we wouldn't be in as much trouble with healthcare as we are.


Posted by: bryandevaney | August 3, 2007 12:20 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277974&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277974%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I think the most distressing thing for me in this whole debate is the wild polarity on both sides of the issue. For most commenters so far, it's either the woman's fault, or the government's fault, and nowhere in between. Probably the only thing I can say for certain is that virtually nobody who has posted so far has got it right, and we should all stop being so sure of ourselves.

I consider myself socially liberal and somewhat fiscally conservative. Yes, I think the government does have some responsibility to look after the general welfare of the populace. Yes, I think individuals should be responsible for their decisions.

Where I would start is by looking at why health care is so expensive. For instance, drugs are so expensive partly because companies spend so much marketing them. They claim it's to offset R&D costs. Perhaps they could receive tax breaks on R&D in exchange for shorter patent periods, allowing cheaper generic versions to come on the market sooner. Perhaps the FDA can streamline their acceptance process. Perhaps penalties in class-action suits can be reined in.

Once costs are reined in, having governemnt provided insurance (not necessarily free for the recipients) for those who need it might seem more viable. Either way, I think we need to move beyond "It's all the government's fault" and "It's all the individual's responsibility".

Posted by: douglas.rohde | August 3, 2007 12:18 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277969&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277969%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

And here I would think all of the "Christians" who claim to know Jesus personally would be FOR healing the sick, feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, and housing the poor.

The charity of the good people among all of the selfish individuals is not enough to help everyone in need of help...so what are we supposed to do? Just shrug and claim we tried, say it's just bad luck for the needy who were too far back in line to be covered by the limited umbrella of charity?

The GOP "Christians" have no problems writing laws that try to force certain moral behaviors on others...as long as doing so does not touch the individual finances (or immoral behavior) of the self-righteous. Yet when it comes to something like healthcare, they treat it like the most evil thing in the world. Take money from the People to redistribute to defense contractors, but don't you dare take money to redistribute to the needy among us, right?

Posted by: eegeebee | August 3, 2007 12:13 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277955&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277955%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

That was very unfair of anyone to pick on that poor woman who works in the dine for having four children. You don't know her circumstances. The Conservatives should be supporting her, not criticizing her as she didn't abort the children - they should be very glad and helpful.

And, please stop being critical of Republicans whoever you are. The party was temporarily taken over from us 'Party of Lincoln' moderates by the Conservatives. Please refer to them as Conservatives, not Republicans, as they are Conservatives first and Republicans second.

Neither party is doing anything much at the moment. The way it works in politics is that nobody wants to do anything unless it becomes a crisis. There is no glory in doing preventive fixing. The bridge in Minnesota is a fine example of that.

Bob M

Posted by: ram13 | August 3, 2007 12:13 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277954&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277954%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

God bless this lady--she's a hero for standing up and questioning Romney. Of course, we need universal healthcare for our country. This is a no-brainer whose time has come. If we can squander a trillion dollars on a useless war, we can surely fund healthcare for every American citizen.

Posted by: jsquires | August 3, 2007 12:11 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277950&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277950%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

To push through legislation Democrats will have to have a bigger majority and a president with some common sense. That wont happen until 2009. It's all in the numbers folks. The Republican party would be just as hard put to pass anything with a minor majority. So what do we do? Give it back to the Republicans or give the Democrats the power to really change things. My guess would be the Democrats will regain power until the screw things up as the Republicans have.
Ken Barnett

Posted by: kenbarnett62 | August 3, 2007 12:10 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277942&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277942%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

In his inimitable style, Mitt got flustered when he was challenged with a spotaneous question. He's best when spouting off some canned response.

I think the woman in the vid was obviously stressed about her family's situation, but what was interesting to me was Mitt's reaction. Fluttering eyelids, stuttering and stammering doesn't a leader make! he obviously doesn't like to be contradicted. Haven't we had enought arrogance in Washington?

Posted by: atomicdesign | August 3, 2007 12:10 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277941&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277941%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The reason that the country with the largest GDP in the world has over 45,000,000 citizens with no health insurance can be summed up in one word: GREED.

The richest people in the USA have outstanding health care -- the best in the world. And they do not want to part with any of their wealth to help the bottom 20 % of the people get health care.

It is a matter of priorities. The rich want their money more than they want to help their fellow Americans.

Posted by: AdrickHenry | August 3, 2007 12:09 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277939&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277939%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The sheer stupidity of a good part of the American public still amazes me.
*The woman who confronted Romney is working is not a "welfare mom". She's probably working a lot harder than the blow hards who are criticizing her.
*Those blow hards remind me of the morons who sat at home and were happy to see other young men and women go to die in Iraq because of Bush's lies & his stupidity.
* We do not have the wonderful health care system some of you imagine. We rank very low in the ratings of health care systems in developed nations. I believe 39th, just above Slovenia and below Cuba(a very poor country-and no I am not moving to Cuba). France & Italy, I believe rank one & two.

*Our infant morality rate (even excluding our immigrant population) is very high compared to other nations (especially European nations - and yes I might want to immigrate to franc or Italy)

*Many European nations have longer life spans than we do and that seems to be the trend--so change back to French fries instead of freedom fries couch potato

* The bottom line - which I'm sure all you financial geniuses will appreciate is that we pay more for less quality health care than do a number of countries with so called "socialized medicine" I know that those 2 words frighten you 2 fisted American macho men but that's becuse you've been fed a line of BS and you've bought it.

*Under our present mercenary medical care system there is no real competetion. The big insurance companies control the prices & you pay through the nose. As another blogger said,premiums don't go down, only up. Even you who have been otherwise hoodwinked know that,at least.

*Under the HMO system you don't really have your choice of physicians, particularly when it comes to specialists. PHYSICIANS ARE OFTEN PAID MORE MONEY BY INSURANCE COMPANIES IF THEY DON'T REFER YOU TO A SPECIALIST. FURTHERMORE, MANY ESSENTIAL PROCEDURES ARE DEEMED ELECTIVE OR EXPERIMENTAL AND AS A RESULT MANY AMERICANS DIE - HOWEVER,
YOU ARM CHAIR GENIUSES MAY NOT GIVE A HOOT ABOUT THAT.

*PARADOXICALLY,MANY APPLICATIONS BY PEOPLE IN NEED OF HEALTH CARE ARE DENIED BY INSURANCE COMPANIES SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DO NEED HEALTH CARE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

*APPLICATIONS ARE ALSO DENIED OR BENEFITS DENIED BECAUSE OF "PRIOR HEALTH PROBLEMS" THAT SEEMS TO ME TO BE ANOTHER PARADOX.

*CLAIMS ADJUSTERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO DENY CLAIMS, EVEN VALID ONES, JUST SO THE INSURANCE COMPANY CAN MAKE A PROFIT. GOOD IF YOU'RE A SHARE HOLDER BUT TOO BAD IF YOU'RE IN DIRE NEED OF AN OPERATION.

*AS LONG AS PROFITS COME BEFORE PEOPLE WE WILL ALL SUFFER BY CONTINUING TO PAY MORE FOR LESS AND EVEN POSSIBLY DYING BECAUSE OF THE INEQITIES IN THIS SYSTEM. THAT INCLUDES YOU WHO BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE TOTALLY INDEPENDENT AND SELF RELIANT.

*REMEMBER "NO MAN IS AN ISLAND. SO DON'T ASK FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS. IT TOLLS FOR YOU MANKIND."

Posted by: gatrial | August 3, 2007 12:09 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277935&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277935%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The sheer stupidity of a good part of the American public still amazes me.
*The woman who confronted Romney is working is not a "welfare mom". She's probably working a lot harder than the blow hards who are criticizing her.
*Those blow hards remind me of the morons who sat at home and were happy to see other young men and women go to die in Iraq because of Bush's lies & his stupidity.
* We do not have the wonderful health care system some of you imagine. We rank very low in the ratings of health care systems in developed nations. I believe 39th, just above Slovenia and below Cuba(a very poor country-and no I am not moving to Cuba). France & Italy, I believe rank one & two.

*Our infant morality rate (even excluding our immigrant population) is very high compared to other nations (especially European nations - and yes I might want to immigrate to franc or Italy)

*Many European nations have longer life spans than we do and that seems to be the trend--so change back to French fries instead of freedom fries couch potato

* The bottom line - which I'm sure all you financial geniuses will appreciate is that we pay more for less quality health care than do a number of countries with so called "socialized medicine" I know that those 2 words frighten you 2 fisted American macho men but that's becuse you've been fed a line of BS and you've bought it.

*Under our present mercenary medical care system there is no real competetion. The big insurance companies control the prices & you pay through the nose. As another blogger said,premiums don't go down, only up. Even you who have been otherwise hoodwinked know that,at least.

*Under the HMO system you don't really have your choice of physicians, particularly when it comes to specialists. PHYSICIANS ARE OFTEN PAID MORE MONEY BY INSURANCE COMPANIES IF THEY DON'T REFER YOU TO A SPECIALIST. FURTHERMORE, MANY ESSENTIAL PROCEDURES ARE DEEMED ELECTIVE OR EXPERIMENTAL AND AS A RESULT MANY AMERICANS DIE - HOWEVER,
YOU ARM CHAIR GENIUSES MAY NOT GIVE A HOOT ABOUT THAT.

*PARADOXICALLY,MANY APPLICATIONS BY PEOPLE IN NEED OF HEALTH CARE ARE DENIED BY INSURANCE COMPANIES SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DO NEED HEALTH CARE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?

*APPLICATIONS ARE ALSO DENIED OR BENEFITS DENIED BECAUSE OF "PRIOR HEALTH PROBLEMS" THAT SEEMS TO ME TO BE ANOTHER PARADOX.

*CLAIMS ADJUSTERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO DENY CLAIMS, EVEN VALID ONES, JUST SO THE INSURANCE COMPANY CAN MAKE A PROFIT. GOOD IF YOU'RE A SHARE HOLDER BUT TOO BAD IF YOU'RE IN DIRE NEED OF AN OPERATION.

*AS LONG AS PROFITS COME BEFORE PEOPLE WE WILL ALL SUFFER BY CONTINUING TO PAY MORE FOR LESS AND EVEN POSSIBLY DYING BECAUSE OF THE INEQITIES IN THIS SYSTEM. THAT INCLUDES YOU WHO BELIEVE THAT YOU ARE TOTALLY INDEPENDENT AND SELF RELIANT.

*REMEMBER "NO MAN IS AN ISLAND. SO DON'T ASK FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS. IT TOLLS FOR YOU MANKIND."

Posted by: gatrial | August 3, 2007 12:08 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277933&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277933%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"Taxes are what we pay for a civilized society."

Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.

Health care is a human right as far as I'm concerned. Not to mention the fact that everyone would save money if we were to go to a universal system. For all the talk about private industry being more efficient, the government could provide the same services to the public for a tiny fraction of what the big HMOs charge.

Posted by: andetcetera | August 3, 2007 12:04 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277921&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277921%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

How DARE anyone criticize this woman's having 4 children and present her as one who sits on her butt and sponges off the government? That is a gross exaggeration, at best, and anyway, it is so far off the topic of the discussion that it is pathetic. She is talking about health care for all and asking Romney what he wants to do about the situation that now exists. The fact is that if we were to stop wasting all these billions of dollars in Iraq trying to pillage their natural resources, and start spending that money on health care for all, we would have plenty of money left over. Why SHOULDN'T we have a health care program comparable to the programs in other civilized countries? It's so, so easy for some of you people to throw out the emotionally-tinged term "socialized medicine" and run away. So-called "socialized medicine" works in many other countries. Ms. Griffin, thank you for having the courage to speak out and stop this guy from just spewing out his canned rhetoric.

Posted by: luvmanycats | August 3, 2007 12:04 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277920&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277920%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Why are you going to diners? How many working people do you know that go to diners? It is quaint but not a true representation of the American population. If you want a real cross section go to a mall on a Saturday afternoon. Most Americans are busy working ten hour days and don't have time to sit and waste at a diner. As for health care subsidies we subsidize corporations, farmers, salmon fishermen etc. but it's wrong to subsidize the health of Americas citizins? This arguement is morally bankrupt and is just cover for insurance companies.

Posted by: jesussaysyousuck | August 3, 2007 12:03 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277917&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277917%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

***If it's the goverment's job to pay for your health insurance, why don't they buy you a refrigerator, pay for your groceries and provide you with a car to boot?***

Like they already do for big corporations by way of tax breaks, exemptions, deductions, write-offs and every other tax boondoggle know to man?

Somehow that's prefectly OK but ask for something for common working folks and the answer is 1) We can't afford it.
2) Government is too big.
3) Class warfare.

Wise up people...we are being screwed royally by these political clowns.

Posted by: Jerryvov | August 3, 2007 12:01 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277898&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277898%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

It's incorrect to say we have the "world's best healthcare system." It's not a partisan opinion, it is objectively true by almost any measure.

In response to some of the earlier comments about how "it is not the responsibility of the government to give things away" (or something along those lines), you're only partially correct.

It is the purpose of government to "govern," meaning step in when necessary. 99 percent of the countries needs are served quite well through private industry. However, health care has proven to be the exception to the rule.

Using faux scary terms like "socialized medicine" don't do the debate justice. By that rationale, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid etc. are all "socialized." Does that mean we should abandon them entirely due to esoteric semantics?

Its about time the right-wing start debating this and other issues responsibly and not in a defamatory or distracting way. Disagreeing over politics and policy is totally appropriate and encouraged, but so much of the comments I read are simply based on half-truths and faulty logic its no wonder we're in a deadlock. It's like half the country is determined to be ignorant and inflammatory.

Posted by: bryandevaney | August 3, 2007 12:01 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277897&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277897%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I saw nothing, as this was written, that addressed whether this woman had been married to the father of the four kids. To assume she had kids, unmarried and to four different men, is shameful. Perhaps her religious practices should have been explored by all those who said she should have used birth control, as the current Catholic structure doesn't allow this now. Her sick children could have caused their father to abandon them and her, as both Crohn's Disease and juvenile diabetes are extremely difficult medical conditions to manage, physically, emotionally, and financially. This woman is part of the working poor in this country. If folks want to attack anyone in this situation, let it be the males who are the fathers of children who have no health insurance. Shouldn't they be paying both child support and for health insurance for their offspring? Romney's answers to this woman indicated he hasn't a better clue than George H.W. Bush did about what things cost in real life. In this instance, what the real people pay in terms of health care. I grew up during WWII, during which time the county health department saw that I got the immunizations I needed. The county nurse checked my vision and my hearing, weighed me to see if I was growing as I should. i don't have a clue what happened, if something was wrong, but I don't think all counties in the US give free shots to all kids, not just those whose mothers are on "welfare."

Posted by: DixieCherokee | August 3, 2007 12:00 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277896&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277896%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The question I have may seem off topic, but please bear with me.

Did we go to Iraq to address a immediate security concern or did we go there to lead them to a stable democratic nation.

"I just want him to start taking care of us Americans," she said. "You know? Stop worrying about everyone else right now."

Are we as a nation willing to spend billions (to trillions in the long term) to play nurse-maid to Iraq when we won't spend pennies on the dollar to address one of our nations most pressing issues. Are we really afraid of universal /socialized health care or is there something else wrong.

Posted by: iwilliamson | August 3, 2007 12:00 PM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277892&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277892%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Anjos,

subsidized loans only go so far - my husband will be going back to school this fall and even though I definitely consider us too poor for this area, we only qualified for about a quarter of the total to be covered by government loans. My salary alone is definitely not enough for us to live on, so he will still have to work part time just to cover our living expenses - so where is the rest of the tuition not covered by the government loans supposed to come from?

Posted by: EAR0614 | August 3, 2007 11:59 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277889&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277889%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

This lady is right. We spend so much money as policemen of the world and doing it alone that I think it is time we take care of our own people and country. Mental hospitals for example need some much more than what they have now. And the said part is that the rest of the world won't care as to what we do. I don't see France, Germany, and other countries doing anything. America needs to take care of its own people first and utmost.

Posted by: gerrypoire | August 3, 2007 11:57 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277880&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277880%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

with due respect kabooki, what type of silly question is that to ask about why this lady has 4 kids? For one thing, up until a while back, 4 kids would be normal and humans, as far as I know, are preprogrammed to want to have kids!!!! It's called society.

By the way, she didn't say she couldn't pay, just that the bill is enormous.

Your statement arrogantly pre-supposes that this seemingly hard working lady cannot support her kids. There are a frickin 100 million things that might precipitate a person not being able to support herself as much as she would like to. Not everyone drives an SUV or has a summer house. There is a full spectrum of how well people support their kids. If you yourself have kids, how well do you support them? Is yours the gold standard of care or support for your kids? Could you be doing better?

So what if this lady has chronically sick kids? Chronically sick? What if her other wage earner in the family died? Or is in Iraq and cannot send much money home? Or did one of the kids get paralyzed in a car crash? Did she just lose her job in a Wall Street firm and just have her house burned down and her hedge fund lose all her savings? Any one of those could be the reason she is on hard times!!!! A bit of understanding please!

Millions of Americans work their butts of (harder than many white collar workers) on 1 or more jobs every day of the week and still cannot pay for medicine.

Denigrating this lady is outrageous and your selfish comments show why this country is failing it's citizens and quickly losing the title of Great that was once gladly bestowed on it by other nations across the world.

Everyone in this country depends on each other for safety, security, happiness, life. To say otherwise is to live in la-la-land.

Posted by: dominic_crotty | August 3, 2007 11:57 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277879&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277879%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

We have socialism for the rich- always have - and capitalism for the poor. Look at Cheney: no taxes, while Hallibrton makes billions on no-bid contracts. Competition? Don't make me laugh. Kabookey and Semmes, et al. may say people are responsible for themselves, but the rich have never believed that. We get to pay for them, and ourselves as well. If you believe we should all take care of ourselves, then why let rich kids inherit from rich parents? Doesn't that kill their incentive to struggle to survive? Of course that will never happen. The U.S. needs to grow up and protect all the people instead of just the rich. There is nothing more pathetic than a poor conservative who believes the lies he is spoon-fed by the rich. Other nations have efficient, high-quality health care. Next to them, the U.S. looks pathetic. We have long ago stopped being number one in anything but nukes and gullible conservatives.

Posted by: jmb1694 | August 3, 2007 11:56 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277871&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277871%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

A waitress in New Hampshire gave Mitt Romney got a tough ride - good! In Ireland's recent elections, similar issues about the Irish healthcare system were ignored by the Irish media, and were left untouched by the Irish electorate when they had the chance to ask what the Irish media was either too scared or too lazy to ask. What this encounter also shows, interestingly, is the chronic inner conflict in America between its domestic pressures and (maybe unwanted) international preoccupations.

Posted by: donnchadhmorgan | August 3, 2007 11:55 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277868&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277868%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

As many respondents who have lived in Europe have already said "SOCIALIZED MEDICINE IS NOT THE ANSWER" the U.S. does indeed have the best medical care in the world. Sure it's expensive and not everyone can afford it; other alternatives need to be found. Unfortunately, Socialized Medicine is not one of these.

Posted by: udo.schaller | August 3, 2007 11:54 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277860&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277860%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"We have the world's best health care system, and it ain't cheap."

Wrong. We have the 37th best health care system. But you are right that it isn't cheap...we also have the world's most expensive health care system.

Posted by: bob.wellhoefer | August 3, 2007 11:52 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277855&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277855%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"We have the world's best health care system, and it ain't cheap."

Wrong. We have the 37th best health care system. But you are right that it isn't cheap...we also have the world's most expensive health care system.

Posted by: bob.wellhoefer | August 3, 2007 11:52 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277853&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277853%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

asd2 and the others who are so hysterical about Bush need to remember: WE NOW HAVE A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS --- HAVE YOU SEEN THEM DO ANYTHING SO FAR EVEN REMOTELY RESEMBLING AN EFFORT TO FIX HEALTH CARE. Or are you waiting for Hillary to do it? Just like the wonderful plan she proposed as "co-president" with Bill and which even members of her own party were disgusted with. I agree we need to do something to "fix" the healthcare problem --- I am 64 years old and my wife and I pay $1804 per month for insurance, so I am not happy with the current situation. However, all the comments by former residents of countries with socialized medicine should be enough to give anyone a concern about that type of plan. I would like to see a limit on malpractice awards and some sort of limit on premiums, but we can't simply decide to make sure the insurance companies can't make a profit --- if we do, there will be no insurance companies and then we will be forced to have the government provide healthcare and we all know what a wonderful job they do at running things, don't we?

Posted by: mrdocuman | August 3, 2007 11:51 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277847&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277847%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Republican posters on here act as if everything in life is a choice. It is not. How do we know what circumstances occured with the waitress? She is not asking for gold platted care, just help by the government that is supposed to provide for the general welfare instead of this every man for themselves mentality. The Republican Party is showing itself to be anti-American and helping us become a thrid world country.

Posted by: acindc007 | August 3, 2007 11:50 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277844&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277844%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I hate to state the obvious, but if we spent the cost of the war in iraq on providing a free health care system we could have solved this problem 5 times over. What is really strange and troubling is that this country, especially the right, would just as soon die as they would allow this kind of expenidture for something like health care. Yet they gladly sent this country to war and devoted themselves to securing a blank check for this kind of nonsense. Isn't it crazy that it is harder to imagine this country devoting a blank check to taking care of its people than a blank check for an untimely and worthless war?

Posted by: jmaloney | August 3, 2007 11:49 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277839&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277839%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Kudos to Michele Griffin. She's a hero in my book. Those who believe that healthcare in the US is okay just as it is are out of touch with reality. And to those individuals who deride Ms. Griffin for having 3 children, those comments are deeply offensive and off the wall. There are many reasons why a person would have 3 children and at the same time be struggling to care for them medically. The facts are not in the story, yet there are many ready to prosecute this woman. It could be that she was married to a man and they both had excellent combined income at one time. Who knows what the facts are? Don't jump to conclusions. The offensive part for me is that, as a Democrat, I have some liberal views, but as a Catholic, I also understand that there are many who follow the Church's teaching on contraception. I really like how some conservatives are quick to throw away their values if it means keeping more money in their pockets. Be that as it may, you don't subjugate children with severe medical conditions to a lower status because you don't like the fact that this woman has 3 kids and can't afford their medical care.

Posted by: john_haynes72 | August 3, 2007 11:48 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277836&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277836%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I read the Republicans talking about Democratic plans being lost in the past. The Republicans are lost in the era of robber barons - the 19th century. The privatization plans we hear so much about are merely like the Bush tax cuts another way for the wealthy to get wealthier. In much the same way they give tax breaks to companies to move their operations overseas and oil companies to make even more money.

Posted by: tkubick | August 3, 2007 11:46 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277822&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277822%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

First of all, I think most of you people seem to forget where you come from. And because of that, you start to say stupid things. That woman had no idea that when she had her children, that they were going to have the health issues that they have. I say she is an honest woman, doing a hard days work, standing on her feet all day, putting up with some pretty rude people all day long, just to make ends meat, to feed her family. To me that woman, come from a home just like you and me. Our parents worked hard, if u did not have a washing machine you had a scrub board. And I am willing to bet bloody knuckles to go with it. None of us are different. So what if someone made it farther in life then someone else. We are still the same. We are all people. I respect this woman for saying what she had to say, she said more then most of you would if you seen someone running for The President of the Untied States. I am willing to bet half of you if you were lucky enough to even be in that situation, would sit on you thumb, and sit and spin. I know where I come from. And if I deserve only one thing in life, it would be Respect. I could care less if your rich or poor or in the middle somewhere. It's time for all of you before you say crap. To stop and remember where you came from. Some struggle some don't. No matter how hard I have had it in life. I still respect every person in the world. Never say crap you will be sorry for someday. What goes around comes around. One way or another.

Posted by: pegboard1 | August 3, 2007 11:46 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277821&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277821%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

JEEZ Mit--$ 10.00 for each prescription---Wal-Mart sells them for $ 4.00. Such a deal! Just another example of rich disconnet!

Posted by: pow452 | August 3, 2007 11:45 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277820&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277820%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

JEEZ Mit--$ 10.00 for each prescription---Wal-Mart sells them for $ 4.00. Such a deal! Just another example of rich disconnet!

Posted by: pow452 | August 3, 2007 11:45 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277817&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277817%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Bottom line, the GOP and right wing line that all working poor want is a 'what can government do for me' health care plan is wrong on several levels:

hypocrisy; this administration and its enablers have increased the size of of government more than any group in the history of humanity, in order to bulk up the military-industrial complex to the detriment of both our infrastructure and middle-income standard of living.

heartlessness; our working poor are bearing the burden of our ambitious foreign policy both professionally by serving in the military and personally by being in families and towns where the military operates. The military health care plan is atrocious, and so is the burden on people who are working poor or in the middle class.

greed; robbing the treasury without increasing revenues? in the name of 'trickle down economics'?

The GOP line and party are broken and have not transitioned from the minority party to a ruling party since the class of '94 gave them power. They are now reaping the punishment for their lack of leadership.

Posted by: herderick.2 | August 3, 2007 11:44 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277812&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277812%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The government has a responsibility to regulate private enterprise so the PEOPLE are not screwed. The opposite has occurred with this administration. When this happens insurance companies can claim if you ever had a headache you have a preexisting condition to any illness. Perhaps we should enforce a fairness clause that protects PEOPLE not big business.
Ken Barnett

Posted by: kenbarnett62 | August 3, 2007 11:43 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277809&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277809%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

djoelt1 wrote: "What if, due to the distribution of intelligence and energy in a population, that is all she could do? Should she deny a god given urge to procreate?"

ROFLOL! God-given urge to procreate? Okay so that's what the USA is all about: Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiniess and pursuit of procreation!

I believe the "urge" you are referring to is not procreation, but the act that leads - often unintentionally - to procreation. That's something, my friend, that we as individuals must take responsibility for ourselves!

Posted by: smarty_pants | August 3, 2007 11:43 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277808&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277808%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Even if you have health insurance you are not safe. Some companies deny your benefits after the fact citing pre-existing conditions that weren't reported. Some people are denied coverage all together because they are already sick. Our system is terrible. It leaves people open to losing everything. Hospital bills can easily reach a million dollars these days for those who are very sick or in the hospital for a long time. No one can live without health insurance and yet many are forced too. It is so expensive. So if you can't afford the insurance, than all you can do is die? Why worry about terrorists when our health care system is killing so many?

Posted by: goldie2 | August 3, 2007 11:41 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277800&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277800%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Even if you have health insurance you are not safe. Some companies deny your benefits after the fact citing pre-existing conditions that weren't reported. Some people are denied coverage all together because they are already sick. Our system is terrible. It leaves people open to losing everything. Hospital bills can easily reach a million dollars these days for those who are very sick or in the hospital for a long time. No one can live without health insurance and yet many are forced too. It is so expensive. So if you can't afford the insurance, than all you can do is die? Why worry about terrorists when our health care system is killing so many?

Posted by: goldie2 | August 3, 2007 11:41 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277799&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277799%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Memo to dboc_99: I wish we were "stuck in the 70s". Health care costs - which, by the way, have risen faster than any other cost over the last 30 years - is "open" and essentially unregulated (just as you want). Sure is working great, isn't it?

Posted by: droth1952 | August 3, 2007 11:39 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277792&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277792%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I hear over and over again criticism that a universal health care plan is socialized medicine. Well, what is wrong with socialized medicine? We have a socialized defense budget, why not socialized medicine?

Posted by: nyrunner10 | August 3, 2007 11:38 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277781&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277781%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

First, thank God that New Hampshire is at the front of the line for primaries or the rest of the nation would never see interactions like this with their canidates. We'd be stuck with the glossy sound bites that dominate campaigning now.

As far as the healthcare issue, it's one that I face myself right now. I am self-employed and pay over $500/month just for myself with a $1500 deductible.

Given that, the last thing I would ever want is to have the goverment decide when, where, and what healthcare treatment I could receive.

I believe something like Romney's plan in MA would be a better alternative than what I currently have.

If you really want affordable healthcare, then you've got to cut costs like stop providing free healthcare for illegal aliens.

If you want affordable prescriptions, then stop making the drug companies subsidize cures for diseases that don't affect 95% of our population.

Posted by: capitola200 | August 3, 2007 11:35 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277765&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277765%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Is that waitress always that rude? Does she interrupt everyone just so she can be heard? If i were her boss, I would require that she attend sensitivity training. If a white man did that to a black person, he would be roundly denounced by the media news (the Post's agenda).
We had four children. I worked 2 jobs, my wife also worked 11 p.m. to 7 a.m. We paid for our insurance, paid whatever co-pay was required, etc. We never received government handouts, which seems to be the norm these days. My wife and I took responsibility for our children. Why should I pay for yours?
For those of you who advocate socialized medicine, Swedes pay about 70% of their salaries in taxes to support government subsidized programs. I'm sure miss rude would gripe about that also.

Posted by: tlar1000a | August 3, 2007 11:34 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277764&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277764%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

First of all, let's have some equity. It's time for our "leaders" to lead by example. Right wingers scream about government paying for the poor. Who do you think pays for the healthcare of the President of the U.S. and our Congressional office holders? That's right, the government (i.e., the taxpayers). Let's do something really radical and sensible. Give everyone the same health plan that the government big shots have. What could be fairer than that?

Posted by: shortsw | August 3, 2007 11:33 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277760&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277760%26blog_id=322">Report abuse


I do believe that the Ms. Griffin, said that she has three (3) sick children. It is obvious by the tone and COMPLETE unfeeling comments as to this American Woman, was "less than". The ones who put her down, were for the most part MEN, who do not have a clue what is is like to raise three children. No one knows why she is a single mom and those that made comments, GO FU** yourselves. Now I do realize this comment is not PC. We as a nation are quickly becoming a Have and Have not Nation. The American Dream, make as much money as one can. How many funeral Hearse's have a U-Haul behind it?

Tango Yankee

Posted by: alan_lrg | August 3, 2007 11:33 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277756&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277756%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Everybody here has done a wonderful job debating the quality of health care in the United States. The arguments are plentiful and the facts are adaptable to many viewpoints. However, there is an issue we are ignoring as a Washington Post community, as well as throughout the nation: accountability.

It begins with our government, but it extends to our largest private organizations. Our health care providers are UNACCOUNTABLE. Their practices protrude from the framework with greed and deception.

If we cannot correct our healthcare providers, we cannot correct private healthcare.

Posted by: g.pollack | August 3, 2007 11:32 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277752&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277752%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Mitt Romney hasn't a clue.

I'm with the waitress - I'm sick of the fancy clothes & cars too.

God I wish he'd just go away.... and take the big pharmaceuticals, HMO's and special interest groups with him.

Posted by: grannymiller | August 3, 2007 11:32 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277748&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277748%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

First, Romney could not answer her question with any degree of honesty..typical politician style. Second, if the republicans could take back 50% of the money they spent on the war in Iraq they could buy health care for every person in this country that is underprivileged.

Posted by: w4vr | August 3, 2007 11:30 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277743&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277743%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

@ dwroberts_03860

Because the Bush administration doesn't Federally fund programs in schools that teach birth control so we have a whole generation of young people growing up without access to educational information to arm themselves.

I do agree, however, this nation is a nation of whiners.

Posted by: mbrewer821 | August 3, 2007 11:29 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277740&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277740%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Let's make this a very simple solution. Every legal american citizen should be entitled to the same heath care and coverage that is given to each congressman, senator and president. Each elected politican should be paid federal minimum wage. These elected officials seem to forget that they are elected to represent the people, not the other way around.

I mean that is why they got into politics right, to serve the people.

Posted by: justjunkemail | August 3, 2007 11:27 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277733&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277733%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

There are widows, possibly from Cheney's war, out there with kids, there are women whose husbands split and left the woman holding the "bag", and there are women who have left abusive husbands, and a woman who works for a living doing the best she can, deserves your abuse? While the richest get tax breaks ? This isn't the most balanced, Jesus-loving, representative of the right in my humble opinion. FWIW.

Posted by: duncan66 | August 3, 2007 11:26 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277723&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277723%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Why all the hate on this hard working American? She pays over 1,000.00 per month for her insurance. I think it is time to de-regulate the insurance industry and let the competition set the market price (just like the oil companies).

Posted by: ole6320 | August 3, 2007 11:25 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277720&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277720%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

To those who think the Republicans support "free market" health care-- the Republican's multi-billion dollar bill to add drug coverage to Medicare was written to forbid negotiations with pharmaceutical companies to lower prices thru bulk purchases. And when the Democrats offered an amendment to allow negotiations to lower the price (as the VA does) the Republicans voted against the amendment. The only capitalism this administration believes in is crony capitalism.

Posted by: carmensf | August 3, 2007 11:25 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277718&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277718%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Wow, Semmes, because a woman creates a baby on her own?

Clearly babies can be created outside of marriage - but it still takes 2 people. And whether they are married or not, both parties are equally responsible for the care of this child. Why say women who choose to have children without taking husbands, why not say the problem is "men who refuse to take responsibility for contraception" or "men who refuse to take responsibility for the children they create" or "men who decide to reproduce without marrying the mother"? Both parents are equally responsible, we can't put the blame on the mothers. They seem to be the ones taking care of the children to at least the degree that they can. Somehow people conveniently forget that for any woman who decides to have a baby that she can't take care of, a man was involved too. We also have to consider, many single mothers are the result of divorce and a few are widows. So its not fair to say all children of single mothers were born outside of marriage.

Posted by: EAR0614 | August 3, 2007 11:22 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277713&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277713%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I do think it's mean-spirited to somehow imply that this woman is to blame for her children being unusually ill. She clearly is in difficult straits, and I do feel sorry for her. However, her response to the question, what are you going to ask him, was just so off-putting: "What is he going to do for me?" And while this woman may be more deserving than most for some government relief, when government responds to every plea/demand like this and lets them determine what society-wide policies are, government starts to sink under its own weight and become nothing more than a gigantic, bureaucratized charity. This woman's plight is regrettable and deserving of sympathy, but the answer is to have a fundraiser for her, not implement a radical change in a mostly good (though obviously with its problems - which should be addressed) health care system. I am obviously conservative leaning, and I generally agree with that philosophy's emphasis on individual responsibility. However, I think far too often this is seen and thought of as "if you have a problem, it's your job to solve it." And while I think a good dose of that is appropriate, I think an equally important corollary is, "if my neighbor has a problem, let us as individual neighbors who know and care for her, do what we can to help her, instead of relying on the government, an impersonal force primarily concerned with keeping itself in power, to help her." That is a concept that, I fear, is too widely ignored by both left and right in this country.

Posted by: joedausch | August 3, 2007 11:20 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277700&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277700%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Wake up America, we as a nation are at a competitive disadvantage with the antiquated "fringe benefit health care system". Large multinationals are no longer willing to foot the bill for the double digit annual increases in health care costs. The workers are being squeezed to pick up the tab. Self employed or those employed without health care benefits better not have a pre- existing medical condition because they are uninsurable by the underwriting system existing. To get government assistance one has to have assets less than $2000.So those that have been impoverished due to the broken system are now on welfare having to ask for help in all the other areas of life such as food and shelter. I agree with the waitress. Let them pay $1000/mo for a basic plan that costs hundreds more per month for copays and visits. We need a march on Washington and all the state Capitols for Universal Health care.

Posted by: tbdey | August 3, 2007 11:19 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277697&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277697%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

johnbsmrk: You can call the VA socialized medicine but it is the promise we gave to our vets for the sacrifices they made. I am in favor of taking care of them any way possible. Maybe the rest of the citizenry can recognize this too. Many put their lives on the line and I will fight to maintain their medical benefits all I can. You'd rather take it away from them to save a few bucks.

Posted by: washingtonpost819 | August 3, 2007 11:18 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277693&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277693%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The point here is that working Americans cannot afford health care, and that the quality of health care in America is decreasing. It has very little to do with what "type" of job you have. The lady at the diner was just caught in the middle of it. And honestly, how can you say being a waitress is less of a job than any other?

I worked in government for the past 10 years- I was covered by BCBS and I had to wait almost 8 months to have a regular primary care doctor. Otherwise, I would have to just take whichever doctor was given to me every time I schedule an appointment. If one knows anything about the quality of health care, one would realize that having the same doctor over a period of time serves the patient much more effectively and efficiently. (not a new doctor each time who has no idea about your medical history, and where yes, you truly are just a number)

Also, if you listened carefully to what Mitt Romney was saying, he basically told the lady to MOVE TO MASSACHUSETTS.
Her frustration about politicians and their empty promises, while understandable, was a wee misplaced in this instance, considering she was talking to Mitt Romney-who as governor completely revamped the health insurance system in Massachusetts and now their low co-pay is enjoyed by all residents. Give him credit, at least he did something about it in his own state. Whether he can replicate that nationally remains to be seen.

This is the best bet for folks who are really struggling with health care-move somewhere where health insurance is a priority in the state, because there's no telling how much longer you'll need to wait if you rely on the feds.

Speaking of the feds, the simple fact is the health care is simply not a priority for this administration.

For some, unfortunately health care just doesn't sound like one of those critical issues when you first hear it, rather than *fear* * fear*
*catastrophic* TERRORISM *red alert*

And one doesn't have an accurate feel for the extent of the problem until you do have a life-threatening disease, and you are at the mercy of the health insurance companies. I thank God that neither I nor any member of our family has been in that position(yet!)

If you can't move or don't want to move to another state, for God's sake, educate yourself about all the presidential candidates, research the issues, and

VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!

Then, hold your public officials accountable.

Posted by: felixia | August 3, 2007 11:18 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277692&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277692%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

It really bothers me when I see people making claims that people who want universal health care are "begging the government" for something. We spend more money on our military than every other country in the world combined, and yet we are unwilling to provide a halfway decent method to ensure the children of America are healthy. It seems that many Americans can justify bombing children in other country before giving our own children what they need. We do not exist to benefit the government, the government exists to benefit us for crying out loud!! Look at our infrustructure... our roads and bridges are falling apart, our drinking water is substandard, and we have a horrid healthcare system. The USA has moved out from the light of Lady Liberty's torch, and moved into the shadows of the military industrial complex. Anyone who thinks healthcare should not be provided to all Americans, deserves the diseases which many cannot afford the treatments. The time for universal healthcare is LONG overdue.

Posted by: theburnman | August 3, 2007 11:18 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277691&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277691%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

dwroberts_03860

Let them eat cake huh? To all you fascist republicans who think you deserve a tax break from the government for being who you are but a poor person does not deserve a fair price for health insurance because of who they are, thats fascism. Plain and simple. Its UNAMERICAN! There was a time when america was not filled with wealthy yuppies who thought their income status gave them entitlements that they are soo willing to exclude from others. There was a time when most of america was middle class to poor but could still live the american dream. How could they you fascist ask? Because they did not have to pay Wall St. driven inflated prices for goods and services, thats why. Are we that dumb down and in our own little worlds that we have become fascist without even noticing ourselves? Things cost too much these days, even if you CAN afford them, they still cost too much. From healthcare to energy to housing prices are driven from the top down so only the people at the top of the pay scale can afford them and the people in the middle class are being force into poor status and the poor are being forced into poverty, but the welthy and rich don't want to deal with whats happening so they come up with these lame theories on how its not industries responsibility to keep prices of goods and services fair but the middle class and poor responsibility to get richer. Like I said, FASCISM. Remember, its these very people that you demonize like this woman that keeps america's economy going and pay the bulk of america's taxes, not the people who can afford Escalades and Porsches.

Posted by: gdavis4 | August 3, 2007 11:17 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277690&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277690%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The diner is right. She is asking for affordable health insurance. The government has it's own plans for health and retirement.

It is the government's fault because they favor the big drug companies who give them hugh contribtions and let them lobby our lawmakers. For instance, I just rean an article which said Medicare cannot negoiate drug prices but let's the VA Administration. That means that a drug say Zocor or Lipitor bought by medicare costs something like $700-$1400 per year for an individual while the same prescription for the VA is $120.00!

It's the drug costs driving up the healthcare to some extent.

Also, whoever thought up these high deductible plans must be insane. My deductible was $2,000 while I am 60 and in pretty good health I have to pay that whole deductible every year. This leaves a person literally uncovered so a cold becomes pnuemonia because the doctor charges $200 per visit.

This has got to stop. My vote will go to the person who will lobby the government to lower healthcare costs.

Posted by: Chance1 | August 3, 2007 11:16 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277685&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277685%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Some of have correctly noted that the US has the developed world's WORST healthcare. The highest cost: 150% to 200% higher as a percentage of GDP than in Aus., Can., Jap., UK, Fr., Ger., Sp., It. according to the OECD and WHO, even though the the percentage of US citizens over 65 is lower than these other countries. The worst care: lower life expectancy at all ages, including nearly third world infant mortality rates, Ibid, and 225,000 deaths per year from medical error, including 80,000 from avoidable hospital infection, according to the Journal of the AMA.

The pseudo-patriotic boosters who have echoed chauvinistic claims by pandering politicians that we have the "best" healthcare are feeding a self-destructive delusion which has help to make our healthcare the WORST and lagging further behind with each passing year.

The main reason is our system is FEUDALISTIC due to "our peculiar institution," private health insurance. Just as medieval farmers were tied to the local lord's land to get security from barbarian marauders, Americans are tied to unwanted jobs and careers in order to get private health insurance. Providers (hospitals, doctors etc) do not compete for patients based on quality and cost; rather they compete for private insurer patronage based on ability to boost the profits of private insurers, who have no means and even less incentive to promote provider competition on quality and cost. Thus our unique combination of wildly escalating cost and plummeting quality -- the opposite of what a truly free, capitalist market should and would produce.

We will not have a CAPITALIST healthcare system -- one in which providers (doctors, hospitals, drug makers) compete on quality and price for patients -- until we have single payer insurance system, just as public roads were needed for and produced capitalist car manufacturing.

Romney's FASCIST healthcare -- mandates to buy private insurace -- will make things worse: even less incentive by providers to compete on price and quality and even higher cost due to (1) less constraint on premium inflation and (2) even more money diverted from actual care to administrative cost, including a new bureacracy to detect and punish those who refuse to buy private insurance.

Posted by: mnjam | August 3, 2007 11:15 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277678&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277678%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The diner is right. She is asking for affordable health insurance. The government has it's own plans for health and retirement.

It is the government's fault because they favor the big drug companies who give them hugh contribtions and let them lobby our lawmakers. For instance, I just rean an article which said Medicare cannot negoiate drug prices but let's the VA Administration. That means that a drug say Zocor or Lipitor bought by medicare costs something like $700-$1400 per year for an individual while the same prescription for the VA is $120.00!

It's the drug costs driving up the healthcare to some extent.

Also, whoever thought up these high deductible plans must be insane. My deductible was $2,000 while I am 60 and in pretty good health I have to pay that whole deductible every year. This leaves a person literally uncovered so a cold becomes pnuemonia because the doctor charges $200 per visit.

This has got to stop. My vote will go to the person who will lobby the government to lower healthcare costs.

Posted by: Chance1 | August 3, 2007 11:14 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277676&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277676%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The diner is right. She is asking for affordable health insurance. The government has it's own plans for health and retirement.

It is the government's fault because they favor the big drug companies who give them hugh contribtions and let them lobby our lawmakers. For instance, I just rean an article which said Medicare cannot negoiate drug prices but let's the VA Administration. That means that a drug say Zocor or Lipitor bought by medicare costs something like $700-$1400 per year for an individual while the same prescription for the VA is $120.00!

It's the drug costs driving up the healthcare to some extent.

Also, whoever thought up these high deductible plans must be insane. My deductible was $2,000 while I am 60 and in pretty good health I have to pay that whole deductible every year. This leaves a person literally uncovered so a cold becomes pnuemonia because the doctor charges $200 per visit.

This has got to stop. My vote will go to the person who will lobby the government to lower healthcare costs.

Posted by: Chance1 | August 3, 2007 11:13 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277665&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277665%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

i want to pick my doctor, my hospital & dentist, i don't want the government telling me where to whom by what..there is too much government interference now brought on by the liberla-socialists out there ..starting with the media..you get what you pay for.you complain about health care then take better care of your health. that waitress is typical they want something for nothing. it's not my fault your child has chrons or diabetes its mostly genetic..how about some personal responsibility.take the blame dont blame others. especially in aids..the liberals dont tell you that to prevent the spread of aids "USE A CONDOM BE SMART WITH YOUR PARTNER". THROWING MONEY WILL NEVER CURE IT ,..SELF CONTROL WILL.aids is preventable but the gay community doesnt want to do anything about it. back in the 80's the gay community in frisco was warned to close the bath houses to stop the spread of the disease but they refused so who's fault is it..mine?.. no yours for not being responsible..

Posted by: stan1 | August 3, 2007 11:12 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277663&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277663%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

i love the comment about this woman, "deciding not to take a husband." NO WHERE does it say that she is a single mother, and even if she is, i doubt that's by choice. get over yourselves people. you're disgusting. god forbid someone in your family ever gets sick and you experience what it's like to have provide care for them. even in wealthy families, this is still a burden.

Posted by: courtney.howe | August 3, 2007 11:11 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277657&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277657%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

You know...we wouldn't have as many health issues today if we didn't have such an unhealthy country. We are consumed by consumption. The fact is, many health issues are a result of leading unhealthy lifestyles. Who wants to pay extra taxes for medical care for a chain smoker with lung cancer, a fat guy that developed type-2 diabetes from overeating or an intravenous drug user with HIV? Nobody wants that. Fix the problems and health care costs will go down. Then providing universal health care won't be such a bad thing.

...there should always be universal care for kids though...something Bush is currently trying to veto, believe it or not...

Posted by: hallv | August 3, 2007 11:10 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277651&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277651%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"Why isn't anyone noting that Mormons are the greatest abusers of the "free" (as in paid by the taxpayers of the United States) welfare/medical system."

I do not like Mitt Romney and his brush off style he gave this woman. However, you are confusing crazy people who live in the desert with people who are LDS. I lived with LDS people for five years in Utah and they do not have two wives, etc. It is against their religion to do so. Also, the church really does take care of their people. The members know to go there first before they sign up for social services. They even have a "welfare" farm where they grow vegetables, etc that can be used by parishioners when times get tough. Please do not bash a whole religion and a whole lot of nice people because of what you see on 20/20 or because one politician shares their faith.


Posted by: Irishgirl74 | August 3, 2007 11:10 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277649&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277649%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I am DREADFULLY OFFENDED by the CALLOUSNESS of PEOPLE WHO USE TOO MANY CAPITAL LETTERS!!!!

When I get VERY ANGRY about AMERICAN POLITICS it makes me MORE RIGHT!!!!!!!!!

EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: JiffyMoo | August 3, 2007 11:07 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277628&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277628%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

In response to tearoad's comments about mormons, you're quite ignorant. Mormons are actually much less likely to live on government assistance because the Mormon church has it's OWN welfare system. Trust me... I live in Utah and I see a lot of people who avoid government assistance because of the assistance they get from the church. And your comment about these mormons milking the system along with their "wives"... you're wrong. Those people are NOT mormons. Mormons do not practice plural marriage and haven't for almost 120 years!

And you think Romney is going to stack his administration with Mormons? You're an idiot. Look at what he did when he was Governor. Heck, one of his apointees was a homosexual! This man knows how to work with others. His children aren't obligated to go into the military. They all served 2-year service mission for their Church and decided to persue other interests. They should not be looked down upon for having decided another course for their lives aside from joining the military. Last I checked, our military is a VOLUNTEER military. Don't degrade those who decide to persue other courses.

And you say that Romney's health plan is nothing more than another tax... when was the last time you paid taxes and that tax provided you with health insurance??? People save money by paying for insurance policies rather than paying 100% of their own bills. It's a personal responsibility that we all should carry and if people choose not to get insurance but instead let other tax payers pay for their medical services, they should lose out on benefits. Mitt Romney's got good ideas. I don't feel the Presidential Candidates should have to have EXACTLY how they're going to do things because as they are campaigning, you CAN'T take the time to develop intricate details of how you're going to accomplish everything you talk about. All we can do in this nation is progress toward a solution and Mitt Romney's got the best ideas in every category right now.

Posted by: mpetriewfg | August 3, 2007 11:04 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277620&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277620%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

timbrandes

Stop that! Interjecting your actual facts and, for Heaven's sake, nonpartisan "reason" into a debate on a real problem.
Posting a moderate, reasonable point-of-view that is not based on a strictly conservative or liberal viewpoint to the exception of common sense has no place in american political debate.
You should be ashamed of yourself! :)

Posted by: jacksonsdc | August 3, 2007 11:03 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277614&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277614%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Even from a conservative point of view, their are three strong arguments for a single payer and/or obligatory insurance. First is quality. Second is cost. And Third is reality.

Quality: It is insufficient to simply say "Rah, rah, we're the best" when, as jheath53 noted, the US health care system is comparable only to 3rd world systems, not the "finest in the world". This is supported by every quality measure available including life expectency, infant mortality, access to care, etc. Whatever the solution to the abysmal quality of health care in the U.S., it is obviously not Stay the Course. Increasing numbers of americans ARE indeed traveling to Mexico, India and other purportedly inferior health care nations specifically to have both the basic and advanced treatments unattainable in the U.S.

Cost: Not because of it costing two and half times the worldwide average. That's a weak statistic that would have to be adapted to earnings and quality of care to have any significant meaning. The pertinent cost factor is the cost of carrying the uninsured. The last tabulation I saw indicated that 1/3 of the dollars spent on health care in the U.S. goes to cover the cost of treating the uninsured when their medical conditions reach emergency status. While there is a wide range of estimates, every estimate indicates that it would be a lot less expensive to simply fork over the cash and insure them than to continue embedding it in the cost to others, which is what we do now through additional taxes, higher insurance premiums and higher copays.

Reality: It has been repeatedly demonstrated in the U.S. and world wide that when those unable to provide themselves with insurance are given the medical advice and reproductive counseling available to the insured, they do indeed choose to have fewer children and do indeed reduce their economic dependence on society at large.

Likewise, there are multiple liberal arguments for single payer and/or obligatory insurance. They have been already addressed above, and the liberal community has already arrived at the consensus that the current system is unworkable and needs to be modified or replaced. So, enough said.

Just as the Welfare Reform enacted in the 90's recognized that we couldn't just wave a conservative wand and make the problem go away or continue with the liberal status quo, in dealing with health care, we need to look for a solution that improves on the current situation. Given political and economic realities, it is unrealistic to hope for a perfect solution that makes everything sweetness and light. However, it shows a decided disrepect for american ingenuity and business acumen to resign ourselves to the view that we can't do better than the current crippled system.

Posted by: timbrandes | August 3, 2007 10:58 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277595&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277595%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

very telling article and comments.

I am a Canadian, and I'm constantly amazed at how universal health care is portrayed as "too expensive" by those who defend drug and insurance company ransacking of average people's bank accounts.

Most of the people in America want universal care. That is serious political will if it can get concentrated.

I just had my 7 year old in for care yesterday. Clinic, follow up X-ray, follow up call to come in for MRI, pain management, diagnosis, therapy, all efficiently delivered. Let taxes pay for this. Aversion to responsible collection and disbursement of taxes is immature and unworthy of a citizenry. You will find very few Canadians who have significant complaints about our level of taxation or our quality of health care.

Company stock price overrides public interest every time in this debate and that prevails in party politics and media discussions. This is a singular instance of an ordinary person and their feelings being taken seriously.

Posted by: stef | August 3, 2007 10:55 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277582&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277582%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

blutozson said:
Did you see how he talked over that woman? She's talking about real, hard problems and instead of connecting with her he rolled his polished, blow-dried, BS talking points right over her.

How do you think Bubba would have handled that encounter? He'd have ate it up...with a slice of pie and a coffee.
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Absolutely. Slick Willie would have had a good cry right there with her and would have left the diner with a group hug and a dozen more votes in his pocket.
Now, that doesn't mean he would have solved her problems, but he definitely would have capitalized on that incident instead of looking like a weasel in the headlights, ala Mitt Romney.
Biden handled it okay, it sounds like, but I bet Obama has now penciled that diner into his route the next time he's in New Hampshire. He's the only candidate so far with the personal savvy to be able to really capitalize on that opportunity to connect with voters.

Again, doesn't mean any of them will actually solve the problem, but empathizing has always gotten votes, and none of the Republican candidates have any skill at that at all with the exception of Ron Paul, who will never win the primary.

Posted by: jacksonsdc | August 3, 2007 10:55 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277581&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277581%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I am so dismayed by all the comments here. I don't think anywhere in that article does it state this woman's circumstances...everyone seems to be on a wild goose chase of assumptions about her being poor, on welfare, children out of wedlock, and so on. I don't really think her circumstances are the issue here. The issue is affordable health care...notice the use of affordable here, not free.

Health care is not a consumer product so it really doesn't fall into a category where competition is going to drive lower costs...it skyrockets in cost every year with no end in sight. The middle-class are now being priced out of the system--we'll table the discussion of the working poor. I have no children and work 3 jobs so I can afford my health care, mortgage, car insurance, escalating electric and gas costs, and so on and so on. As most americans, I am not looking for a handout. I am asking for affordable. I am asking for a system that doesn't demand I give them 30% of my wages and then fight me and bury me in bureaucratic paperwork on every turn to deny my health care claims. Premiums, co-pays, out-of-pocket expenses, deductibles and the list of my health care expenses goes on. What exactly does my premium pay for anyway? With our present system, a health care crisis has the potential to send even the very-well insured into a financial tailspin and possibly bankruptcy. And oh, do most of you realize, they can report failure to pay your medical bills on your credit report...even if the failure to pay is a dispute with the insurance company? Not really fair is it? I used to be in commercial lending and I have seen FICO's plummet by as much as 200 points because of something as little as a $50 past due health insurance claim dispute. There is just so much wrong with our present system, I could write for days.

Most of the country does not have the luxury of living in the land of big business and goverment contractors, where salaries are high and benefits way above average. The DC area is a little insulated that way. Step into the rest of the country, where it is small, struggling businesses and low-wage jobs.

Affordable and fair does not equal free. When you have to decide between putting food on the table or paying your health insurance premium, then you can pass judgement on others who on a daily basis have to make those kinds of decisions.

Posted by: deborahfitzpat | August 3, 2007 10:54 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277579&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277579%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Why isn't anyone noting that Mormons are the greatest abusers of the "free" (as in paid by the taxpayers of the United States) welfare/medical system. one of my relatives married a mormon and now there are five children and two "wives" and the father, all receivng "free" medical as well as paid daycare, food stamps, and other services. what romney needs to be asked is some hard questions about the notorious sucking of the system by mormons. what this waitress needs to learn, is what mormons already know --how to work the system.

and why doesn't anyone ask romney some interesting questions, like why aren't any of his children in the military or why aren't any of his children married to non-Mormons. if you think he wouldn't stack the government with Mormons, then you haven't lived among them. they discriminate worse than any group in the United States and Romney was clearly given the Massachusetts governorship as some kind of political graff.
otherwise why would such a blue state elect him.

romeny also takes credit for a health system in massachusetts that is nothing more than a grab at taxpayers income. forcing taxpayers to purchase anything is nothing more than another tax...

Posted by: tearoad | August 3, 2007 10:54 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277572&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277572%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Sorry to destroy the flow of rhetoric by bringing facts into the discussion, but how about if people at least accurately present what happened in the video. The waitress asked Romney a question about what he would do about health care, and he answered, quite reasonably, by describing the health care plan he helped put in place when he was governor of Massachusetts. He was answering the question by referring to something he actually did. The waitress did not listen and chose to treat the answer as boilerplate, much like the Post reporter describing the video. Mitt Romney prefers a free market approach, but the plan he is describing is actually in place, it is not fiction, and it is not just something he made up to put in a press release, like the other candidates. As a matter of fact, a lot of conservatives were not that thrilled to have him offer the plan. When he was a governor, he took the lead and fashioned a plan that addressed a problem. Isn't that what you want a politician to do?

Posted by: timw_collins | August 3, 2007 10:51 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277563&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277563%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The women only asked why are we taking care of everybody else in the world, and not our own. After all she is a working mother(12 years at this job)and paying taxes,and wants to know why not help the people who do work and pay taxes. Not send the tax money to other countries.

Posted by: john_r_draper | August 3, 2007 10:50 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277562&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277562%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

to the extent anyone actually reads this...

Romney don't doesn't have it, doesn't get it and can't get elected.

Did you see how he talked over that woman? She's talking about real, hard problems and instead of connecting with her he rolled his polished, blow-dried, BS talking points right over her.

How do you think Bubba would have handled that encounter? He'd have ate it up...with a slice of pie and a coffee.

A real politician would have walked right over to her, looked her in the eyes, truly listened, address her as a human being and let her know he was going to do something about it.

Oh yes, at the end, she said his dumb-ass visit cost her money for lost tables and you just know his campaign didn't pick up that tab...

Romney won't win.

Posted by: blutozson | August 3, 2007 10:47 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277550&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277550%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

In response to dboc_99, we've had a republican government for the past seven years. I haven't seen my health costs go down - have you?

Posted by: jcurrie2 | August 3, 2007 10:47 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277551&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277551%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

You know, the fact that people on the right assumed she was a single mother on welfare is telling. She's married, both her and her husband are working, and there were three children, not four.
The fact that the folks on the right assumed she was on welfare, single and even threw in an extra child for good measure, shows you everything you ever need to know about them. Fortunately, they can't take those first posts back, so you can see all their ugliness laid bare.
No amount of back-tracking and recasting of their argument can save them.
I think that's one of the reasons the Right has been so resistant to the internet. It is a living record of things they've said that can't be erased or changed to suit their malleable reality.
The Mitt Romneys of the world can't go back and just erase or respin their previous comments on abortion or gay marriage, no matter how hard they try. Guiliani can't go back and change the democrats plans to "make" them into socialized medicine plans, no matter how much he tries.
This is why they gravitate toward radio, where fact is determined by volume and repetition, instead of record.

Posted by: jacksonsdc | August 3, 2007 10:46 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277546&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277546%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

There is no such thing as "free healthcare". The only people with good, guaranteed care are the gov. employees and elected officials - ensuring they will do nothing to impede the profitable insurance market. We need an option for universal healthcare - it could be handled as many states handle mandatory car insurance. You can buy private insurance, if you can't get it, or it is too expensive, you can buy the state insurance at reasonable premiums. We all are paying for the care of the uninsured already - through our taxes. As the premiums go up, the number of uninsures goes up, and the number of people paying for it goes down.

Posted by: litlatilla | August 3, 2007 10:45 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277543&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277543%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

My 2 cents: I'm married, have 2 children and excellent health insurance through my husband's federal job. I had one of my kids in England under the NHS, socialized medicine. My other child was born in the US under our insurance.

The care I got in England was much, much better than the care I got here. We stayed in the hospital an extra day when my son was ill (minor issue) after being born, without having to clear it was anyone. A midwife come to our house to check me and the baby every day for a week after we got home from the hospital. Then every few days for another few weeks. I could walk to my doctor's office and get an appointment almost any time I asked. Prescriptions were about $14 each, no matter what the medicine. When my son had a possibly serious problem I got a referral and appointment right away. There was no paperwork and all the records were computerized.

Here I have to drive 40 minutes to the doctor, and if I don't call 10 minutes after they open their sick appointments are used up. We have tons of paperwork and copays etc. My husband's coworker with the same insurance has a seriously ill child. He is struggling to afford care for her, despite having really good insurance. Dealing with the paperwork and denied claims and all the garbage is almost a full time job for his wife.

Health care is going to be my #1 priority deciding who to vote for next election.

Posted by: nabelk | August 3, 2007 10:44 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277538&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277538%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Why isn't anyone noting that Mormons are the greatest abusers of the "free" (as in paid by the taxpayers of the United States) welfare/medical system. one of my relatives married a mormon and now there are five children and two "wives" and the father, all receivng "free" medical as well as paid daycare, food stamps, and other services. what romney needs to be asked is some hard questions about the notorious sucking of the system by mormons. what this waitress needs to learn, is what mormons already know --how to work the system.

and why doesn't anyone ask romney some interesting questions, like why aren't any of his children in the military or why aren't any of his children married to non-Mormons. if you think he wouldn't stack the government with Mormons, then you haven't lived among them. they discriminate worse than any group in the United States and Romney was clearly given the Massachusetts governorship as some kind of political graff.
otherwise why would such a blue state elect him.

romeny also takes credit for a health system in massachusetts that is nothing more than a grab at taxpayers income. forcing taxpayers to purchase anything is nothing more than another tax...

Posted by: tearoad | August 3, 2007 10:43 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277536&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277536%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The issues are that health costs are skyrocketing. Who's making the profit and who's paying for that profit? Insurance companies provide no value added to the health needs of the country. They make huge profits based on the needs of every American. Health costs have risen above the reach of a goodly percentage of Americans. Eliminate the insurance companies first. Establish a system of care for all Americans based on their ability to pay. Along with the provided health care, Americans who smoke or are overweight, for example, should be penalized (monetarily)and encouraged to live a healthy lifestyle. Another sin tax if you will. Mandatory annual physicals will catch many problems early on so some situations will not reach the critical stage. Many Americans suffer before they go to a health provider simply because they can't afford it. Good health is good for America. Reduce the military budget by half and we can pay for health, infrastructure and education with a few bucks left over.

Posted by: cahalatb | August 3, 2007 10:43 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277534&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277534%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

KABOOKEY

I dont think this lady is looking for a handout, she is looking for a fair price. I hate it when the people that can afford the inflated prices of goods and services blame the poor for being unable to afford inflated prices. To these people its not the medical industry or insurance industries responsibilty to put the needs of the common public ahead of ever inflated profit goals in order to keep of with shareholders ambitions but its the poor persons fault for not making enough money to keep of with wall st. Dont you think its easier to demand fair prices from the industries than it is to tell a mother to undue her family or take the blame for not being able to keep up with industry greed? She is not a welfare mom, she is a working mom. Now, tax breaks for these very companies she is unable to afford to pay for health services from is welfare, corporate welfare. How high must insurance get before its the company's fault?

Posted by: gdavis4 | August 3, 2007 10:41 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277525&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277525%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Repubs are a bunch of scrooges who don't give a damn about people. Bush is threatening a health insurance program for poor children. What happened to "no child left behind", "family values" and "compassionate conservatism"? Our healthcare system SUCKS. Calling better systems "socialism" or socialized medicine" does nothing to solve the very real life and death problem we have in this country. I would gladly take a nationalized healthcare system over what we have now --and I have good insurance with low co-pays! I just find it disgusting that we have people in this country suffering and dying because of their wealth and employment status. I'm tired of living in a backwards third world country!

Posted by: PepperDr | August 3, 2007 10:41 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277524&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277524%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

anjos - No, I'm just being realistic about my situation. I don't have the time to go back to school, because I do work. I literally do not have the time to even take an evening class due to my work load. I'm trying to stay afloat, just like everyone else. It would be nice if I could take classes in evening, sure. But it just isn't an option. Kind of falls into that "easier said then done" category.

Posted by: calotype | August 3, 2007 10:39 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277522&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277522%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

So long as profit is a motivating factor in Health Care, you can't have single payer, nor a really free market program.

No one ever asks why HC rises more than 4x's the rate of inflation each year...that's those feeding off the system stuffing their pockets.

All hospitals should be non-profit,basic clinic care should be free across the board, and non-emergency use of emergency rooms should be illegal.

A hybrid or both public and private is where we're heading.

50% more for HC than the rest of the world is obscene by any standard

Posted by: mjzahara2004 | August 3, 2007 10:39 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277517&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277517%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

People like the world to be fair and just: If Mrs. Griffin is poor and needy, even if she works as a waitress, then it's her fault.

Then everyone feels great again and the world is fair and just again.

I have worked as a waitress--it isn't easy--my mother worked as a waitress for years, and my parents tried to run three different restaurants. All failed for one reason or another. Eventually my mother began clipping dogs and started her own business. But she was lucky. To some extent we make our own luck, but with sick children.

Our children are our future.

The working poor must have health insurance. However, that is accomplished, it must be done.

Our children are our future.

And the point about taking care of our country is a good one--as everyone knows, our infrastructure needs help. It's not saving the world for democracy, no one wears a flight suit, and it's not something politicians can brag about--I got money to repair your bridge!

Wow! Let's send you money for your campaign.

Posted by: Hannahjones | August 3, 2007 10:38 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277510&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277510%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

ThommyL - I don't know in what country or what decade you grew up, and I'm sorry about your hernia. But I spent all of last year living in Belgium and every time I needed to see a doctor to get a prescription filled, I walked around the corner from my apartment, saw the doctor without an appointment, paid 10 euros, and walked two doors down to get the prescription filled. And I hadn't even signed up for one of the govt. sponsored but privately administered insurance plans (which as a resident alien I was allowed to do). The cost was so cheap I didn't mind paying out of pocket. On top of that - the doctor was paid a salary, not per service, so the visit wasn't rushed and we were able to discuss my prescription (the differences between the European and the American formulations, etc).

We are suffering from the twin sins of ignorance and pride. As a nation, we're almost completely ignorant of how much better health care is managed in comparable Western and Northern European countries. And we're too proud to let go of this "we're the best" mentality, which precludes seeing things clearly.

What's really sad is that the ignorant clowns who just want to blame people for their problems without offering solutions and who break a sweat when they hear the word "socialized" are bringing down the rest of us.

Posted by: lurkingcanary | August 3, 2007 10:36 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277505&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277505%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

There are three main varieties of universal health insurance, true socialized medicine (Great Britain, the Veterans Administration), single payer (Canada, Medicare), and private insurance with subsidies based on income, a requirement that everybody join, and no rejections of coverage based on "prior conditions" (the Netherlands, Germany, Israel, Massachusetts). The best system of all, in France, provides basic insurance to everybody on a single payer basis, but encourages people to take out supplementary insurance to get better coverage and lower copays. I don't think I'd like a British style system, and I think both the British system and pure single payer are unobtainable for political reasons. I'd be quite happy with either the French system or the systems used by the Dutch, Germans, and Israelis.

Posted by: sjj | August 3, 2007 10:35 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277499&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277499%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

In my humble opinion, health care in the U.S. should not be a "For Profit Business".
All U.S. Citizens should have health care provide by the Government and we as a nation should be willing to pay for this.
T.M.McG.

Posted by: TOM | August 3, 2007 10:33 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277495&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277495%26blog_id=322">Report abuse


My two cents is this...Start with prevention. Put money into education, specifically health education. If you want less medical issues, educate people on healthier lifestyles. Educate our young women on respecting themselves and our young men on responsibility. When you do that you'll have a population with less health issues and less people making babies that have no way to take care of them.

Finally, children should never be punished because of adult issue. All children should have access to health care. Period. ...and healthy meals while we're at it. You want to fix problems? Prevent them from happening instead!

(by the way, I AM amused by Romney's inability to answer a tough question...maybe that's why he's ducking the YouTube debate).

Posted by: hallv | August 3, 2007 10:33 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277494&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277494%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Republicans are health care terrorists.

Posted by: mhammel22 | August 3, 2007 10:32 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277493&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277493%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

In response to dwroberts_03860:

Or maybe the secret to not being poor is for men to learn how to think with the head on their shoulders instead of the one in their pants.

Posted by: vegas1007 | August 3, 2007 10:31 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277486&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277486%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Private health insurance costs continue to sky rocket. Everyone feels the pinch - employers, employees, individuals. A person with any past history of cancer, heart problems, etc., can just forget trying to buy health insurance at any cost. And, if you aren't poor enough, most states don't have any options either. It's time for universal health care. Not this class system we have now where the insurance companies call the shots.

Posted by: joy2 | August 3, 2007 10:31 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277485&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277485%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The healthcare "industry" in this country is sickening. And so are Republicans. They have no problem blowing up $300,000,000 A DAY in Iraq, but when it comes to treating American citizens as human beings over the needs of corporations, suddenly they don't want to spend their precious tax dollars to make OUR society more healthy and just. Disgusting. Every single American citizen should have full access to affordable healthcare, PERIOD. It's a human right, but I guess you have to be human to understand that.

Posted by: sequoiaqueneaux | August 3, 2007 10:31 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277484&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277484%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Calotype--
You're living in the '30's when it comes to education options. I was in a similar situation to yours and did an evening master's program. It's hard because you have to put in 12-14 hour days for 3 years, but in the long run it was sure worth it. My two bits. There are also things called grants and subsidized loans that help a lot. With a few exceptions, people who say that they would like to go back to school but can't afford it either haven't really looked into their options or are just looking for an excuse to not go back to school.

Posted by: anjos | August 3, 2007 10:29 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277477&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277477%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

There are 2 separate problems that people tend to lump together.

One is universal coverage. We use an employer based system that no other country does. Hence we have many people who don't have any coverage at all. A government run plan would cover everyone. Most likely it would be cheaper on taxpayers to provide some minimal level of insurance for everyone which covers preventive care than to pay the huge costs of acute care when people who don't get preventive care get sick. The people who oppose this are being penny wise and pound foolish.

The other problem is cost. That is only going to be solved when everyone realizes that we cannot afford to provide every procedure known to medical science to every person who needs it. One way or another we are going to have to ration health care.

Countries with national health insurance tend to ration by creating long waiting lists. They don't tell people "sorry, you cannot have the procedure". They tell people they will have to wait on line for the procedure. In the interim, some people recover by themselves and others die. Either way, that procedure never gets done.

Recently Oregon announced it would ration by cost / benefit ratio. So immunizing kids would be provided universally because it is cheap and prevents expensive disease and the patients have many years of productive work ahead of them. Whereas hip replacements for 90 years would be denied, because it is hugely expensive and provides small benefit to people who have few productive years of work ahead of them and the treatment may itself create medical complications.

The problem is not really "how do we cover everyone". The problem is that we can't afford to give everyone everything, so how do we decide what things to give to everyone and what things to give to no one (except rich people who can afford to pay for it outside of their insurance policy)?

Posted by: taxguru | August 3, 2007 10:28 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277475&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277475%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

i happen to work for two very successful people who are business owners. the husband has a preexisting health condition; therefore, he doesn't have health care because insurance companies either won't cover him or will only do it for an outrageous cost that even they can't afford.

please, someone explain to me how that means the free market system is working.

Posted by: xcorley | August 3, 2007 10:28 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277472&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277472%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"Looks like this lady can afford snack food okay. She's not wasting away by any means." -- semmes

Nice comment!

Tell you what: You eat Top Ramen and microwave burritos for six months, never work out, never take a vacation, and we'll see what kind of shape you're in, okay?

Nutritious food and exercise are expensive.

Posted by: bloom111 | August 3, 2007 10:27 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277469&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277469%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

My sister was flat broke due to her own life choices and had two kids from a previous marriage. She started out catering and then opened a successful "carry out" restaurant. If you are poor, it does not do you or your situation any good to shack up or marry someone who is equally poor.

Posted by: kmccorma | August 3, 2007 10:25 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277463&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277463%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I don't see where people get the idea that she's some poor mother who is begging the government to save her. I think her frustration is coming from the fact that we are sending billions for the health of people in other countries while people at home struggle - even those with insurance. It is a fair point. Those tax dollars come from her check, too.

Posted by: misterchristopher | August 3, 2007 10:23 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277455&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277455%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Looks like this lady can afford snack food okay. She's not wasting away by any means.

Wonder how many Playstations her kids have.

We just have a warped sense of priorities in America. We provide ourselves and our families with all the pleasures in the world and then expect our neighbors to pay for our "necessities."

Personally, I would never ask someone else to provide for my family's needs, especially if I were the personal embodiment of gluttony. I'd be embarrassed.

Posted by: semmes | August 3, 2007 10:20 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277440&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277440%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"Look folks, healthcare is expensive. I don't doubt this woman is paying over $1,000 a month for herself and her children. The fact that she made the decision to have these children given that her career is relatively "unskilled" is another debate. Sure, some form of socialized medicine (including what Romney accomplished in Massachussets) would benefit workers like these, but someone somewhere has to pay - likely those of us who worked our buts off in college and and in our careers so that we could earn a higher wage, and who have chosen to minimize the number of children we have to what we can actually afford. I'm not knocking universal care necessarily, but it is a form of wealth redistribution -- also known as socialized medicine."

But don't you enjoy having someone make breakfast for you? What if no one accepted a wage low enough that you could go out to eat breakfast? What if you were the one making breakfast? What if, due to the distribution of intelligence and energy in a population, that is all she could do? Should she deny a god given urge to procreate?

Posted by: djoelt1 | August 3, 2007 10:20 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277439&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277439%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"It is this woman's own fault that she can't afford to take care of her own kids. She has been a waitress for 12 YEARS!!! Why does she not OWN HER OWN RESTURAUNT by now??? This is America. Start you own business and provide yourself with your own insurance."

Money, money. Money. Money. It all comes down to money. Starting your own restaurant is expensive and clearly she is already struggling with her children and their diseases - where is she going to find time to open her own business, hmm? It's hard being a mom! And, even as a 'business' you can buy your own insurance but at a high price. Since she will be dealing with the pre-existing condition problem she will be paying a LOT more for her companies insurance. They penalize you when you claim someone in a high risk group.

Posted by: calotype | August 3, 2007 10:18 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277427&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277427%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Where can i see the video of Sen. Biden head-butting Ms. Griffin?

Posted by: ceb3d | August 3, 2007 10:17 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277426&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277426%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

vote republican, for the welfare of iraqis.

somebody find some oil in minnesota and tell governor pawlenty to start gassing his people so we can invade that place and finally fix it up.

i believe we'll find he's hiding his wmds in lake minnetonka.

Posted by: xcorley | August 3, 2007 10:16 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277420&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277420%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"The republicans want to open the market for health care so that prices drop through competition."

Uh... right, how well has that been working so far? Enron, anyone?


I tend to blame people for being in the stupid situations they end up in (4 kids generally = stupid unless you're very well off to take care of them) BUT simply blaming people isn't really solving the problem. We have to wonder what those 4 kids are going to be to society. We can just say the mother is an idiot who needs to use birth control (perhaps true), but we also need to try and help the kids so that they don't make the same mistakes. I promise, unless you're willing to watch people starve to death, giving help to the kids is the best chance to see them become productive rather than having them end up in jail, etc.

Posted by: noregistration | August 3, 2007 10:14 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277415&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277415%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"would benefit workers like these, but someone somewhere has to pay - likely those of us who worked our buts off in college and and in our careers so that we could earn a higher wage, and who have chosen to minimize the number of children we have to what we can actually afford."

I worked my butt off in college too, and as someone who is trying to stay afloat in post collegiate America I still have a hard time trying to support my diabetic butt. I can't change jobs because I can't be without health insurance. I can't go back to school to 'better' myself - get that shiny Masters that I've had my eye on - because I can't afford to pay COBRA and I can't work and go to school at the same time. It isn't that easy people. Your solutions are so superficial. Get a better job? Go back to school? How - and WHERE is the money for those things going to come from if you have to pay out for treatment every month?

Posted by: calotype | August 3, 2007 10:13 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277413&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277413%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

That would be Crohn's disease Michael. Please check your facts.

Posted by: thumbikat | August 3, 2007 10:12 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277411&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277411%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

lensch--
Come back to reality. You're stuck in a meaningless statistic. So what you're saying is, if you were sick, you would just as soon go to Bolivia or Slovenia for care? If you needed heart surgery for example and happened to be in Bolivia at the time, are you seriously saying that you are going to stay in Bolivia for the surgery rather that come back to the US? Have you ever left the US, or do you just experience life through statistics and rankings from international organizations? Not a great foundation for proposing policy on comparative grounds.

Posted by: anjos | August 3, 2007 10:10 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277401&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277401%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"Read the 10th amendment if you want to know why America is different from Russia, France or Cuba. We place limits on our government. Paying your doctor bills with your neighbors paycheck should not be a function of American government--even though it satisfies your own selfishness."

Agreed. I shouldn't pay for my neighbor's health care.

Question: for the person that tiles your new bathroom, that can't afford to buy insurance or pay the doctor directly, who pays when they break their leg? Who pays for anitbiotics when their child is ill? Is the service they provided you so worthless that their child's life isn't worth your concern? Shouldn't they make enough - and shouldn't you be happy to pay enough - that they don't have to watch their child die for lack of medicine?

Posted by: djoelt1 | August 3, 2007 10:09 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277398&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277398%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

hey, i've got a great idea.

instead of spending billions of dollars to improve healthcare, infrastructure and education in our country, lets spend those billions doing that in some other country.

oh, that's right...iraq.

sorry, my bad.

Posted by: xcorley | August 3, 2007 10:08 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277394&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277394%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

A few comments from one of those rare types--a social liberal with a belief in fiscal responsibility.

In many of these posts we see comments made about the government not being in the insurance business. Agreed. As an employee of a large multi-national corporation, it astonishes me that everyone--from government to business--continues to believe the proper debate should be about how to pay for health insurance. And that's because the cost of our health care in America rises at double-digits annually, far out of pace with any other sector of our economy, while our *general* level of morbidity and mortality--the most reliable measures of health care delivered to the entire populace--do NOT improve, and have actually fallen below levels in other industrialized nations.

Given this, talking about how to pay for health insurance is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. The delivery system itself is broken, focused on paying huge amounts for catastrophic and restorative care--which is the most lucrative end of the medical business--rather than intervention for health maintenance.

No, the government should NOT be involved in *paying* for health care. The government should take the lead role in *providing* health care.

Socialized medicine? Yeah, OK . . . I've got no problem with that term. We have a socialized transportation infrastructure now, don't we? Federal highway safety, national interstate system, etc. Because it was considered in the national interest to do so. How is basic health care any less in the "national interest?"

Posted by: d.lincourt | August 3, 2007 10:08 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277390&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277390%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

IF YOU THINK HEALTHCARE IS EXPENSIVE NOW, JUST WAIT UNTIL IT'S "FREE". 8-)

P.J. O'Rourke

Posted by: lt1z28 | August 3, 2007 10:08 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277391&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277391%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

It is this woman's own fault that she can't afford to take care of her own kids. She has been a waitress for 12 YEARS!!! Why does she not OWN HER OWN RESTURAUNT by now??? This is America. Start you own business and provide yourself with your own insurance.

Posted by: kmccorma | August 3, 2007 10:06 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277384&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277384%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Look folks, healthcare is expensive. I don't doubt this woman is paying over $1,000 a month for herself and her children. The fact that she made the decision to have these children given that her career is relatively "unskilled" is another debate. Sure, some form of socialized medicine (including what Romney accomplished in Massachussets) would benefit workers like these, but someone somewhere has to pay - likely those of us who worked our buts off in college and and in our careers so that we could earn a higher wage, and who have chosen to minimize the number of children we have to what we can actually afford. I'm not knocking universal care necessarily, but it is a form of wealth redistribution -- also known as socialized medicine.

Posted by: smarty_pants | August 3, 2007 10:05 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277380&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277380%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"The democrats simply want to socialize medicine. period. The republicans want to open the market for health care so that prices drop through competition."

What is the proper amount of competition that will lower prices? It doesn't seem to be working now.

And price is not the only problem. There are many problems, such as all companies refusing to offer coverage at any price to a growing number of people. My wife and I were retroactively dropped from Blue Shield two weeks before she gave birth. Tell me please, exactly what kind of competition would have prevented this?

Did you know that in CA, a 2 person group that is a company gets rates no more than 10% higher than the average, and they cannot refuse coverage to anyone regardless of preexisting conditions. Reduce the 2 to 1, and the companies can refuse to offer coverage because you had a hangnail. The system is broken and competition is not the answer-competition does not work now.

Posted by: djoelt1 | August 3, 2007 10:05 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277377&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277377%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"The democrats simply want to socialize medicine. period. The republicans want to open the market for health care so that prices drop through competition."

What is the proper amount of competition that will lower prices? It doesn't seem to be working now.

And price is not the only problem. There are many problems, such as all companies refusing to offer coverage at any price to a growing number of people. My wife and I were retroactively dropped from Blue Shield two weeks before she gave birth. Tell me please, exactly what kind of competition would have prevented this?

Did you know that in CA, a 2 person group that is a company gets rates no more than 10% higher than the average, and they cannot refuse coverage to anyone regardless of preexisting conditions. Reduce the 2 to 1, and the companies can refuse to offer coverage because you had a hangnail. The system is broken and competition is not the answer-competition does not work now.

Posted by: djoelt1 | August 3, 2007 10:04 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277376&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277376%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Let's get some clarification on definitions here. "Socialized medicine" is when the government owns and runs the hospitals and clinics and doctor's offices, and doctors and nurses are government employees. Very few people in America are calling for that kind of system. What they are calling for is single-payer universal health care coverage, in which the insurance would be provided by the government but the delivery of health care services would remain as it is now: dispersed among the private, non-profit and, in some few cases, public sectors. In other words, your health care won't change, but the way you pay for it would (and it would save you money).

To call single-payer health insurance "socialized medicine" is disingenuous. However, I forgive these right-wing ranters posting here, for they know not what they do--they've been fed that BS line by Limbaugh for nineteen years now and they don't know any better.

Posted by: pruark | August 3, 2007 10:02 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277373&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277373%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

If you believe the government shouldn't subsidize health care, that argument is fine if you also believe that our government should subsidize Saudia Arabia with 30 BILLION dollars in weapons.

It makes no sense for us to spend BILLIONS of dollars in the middle east, but can't offer those in our own country with help.

Posted by: coolbob | August 3, 2007 10:01 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277366&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277366%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

sounds like someone just looking for a handout.

Posted by: Jeff.Miklos | August 3, 2007 10:00 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277363&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277363%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Given your dislikes for the current administration, I assume you have removed all US products from your household, and personal usage.


The US still makes products?

Posted by: Irishgirl74 | August 3, 2007 10:00 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277361&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277361%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Robcmor,

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but we already have what you're proposing. What more could we do that does not in essence socialize the system?

Posted by: anjos | August 3, 2007 9:58 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277356&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277356%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Those right wingers who call universal health care socialized medicine don't have a clue about the state of health care in this country compared to the rest of the world. The US now ranks something like 37th in terms of the quality of care received while we pay almost double what the rest of the world pays in health care.

Worried about competitiveness? The US, with only a small minority receiving government health benefits, and 40 million people with no health insurance at all, pays more than 15% of GDP annually on health care. Meanwhile, Canada, Great Britain, France, and Germany, all having universal care, pay less than 10% of GDP on health care. That 5% differential acts like a tax on every good we try to export overseas.

Worry about the quality of care? As I pointed out before, the US ranks about 37th in quality of care, and near the bottom of industrialized nations in infant mortality and longevity. Worried about rationing? Heard all the scare stories about having to wait for surgery in Canada? In Canada, nobody has to wait for necessary surgery, only for elective surgery. Most Americans would find Canada's system an improvement over our oen at this point. What do you think HMOs are, but rationed health care?

The US health care system has gone to hell in a handbasket, courtesy of the drug and insurance lobbies, who have bought politicians in both parties, but own the GOP lock, stock and barrel. That's why you won't hear a single GOP presidential candidate propose any real solutions on health care. They don't want to upset their golden goose.

Those who wanted market based health care reform could have had it with the Clinton plan in 1994, but it was killed off with a disinformation campaign run by the insurance lobby and their stooges in the GOP. Now, here we are, 13 years later, and the US health care system is in crisis. Time to ditch the market based approach, which has demonstrably failed, and go with a single payer system.

Posted by: jheath53 | August 3, 2007 9:57 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277355&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277355%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

It's a shame how callous and heartless we "Americans" are. Where is our compassion? She and her HUSBAND are working. He has TWO jobs and two of her THREE children are sick. All she wants like the rest of us and all of our ancestors who came to this country is equal opportunity to provide for their family. She didn't ask to become a millionarie or fly on the moon or even for the government to give her healthcare. She talked about what she and her HUSBAND pay for health insurance and medicine a month and the fact that the governor can't even begin to understand because he pays next to nothing. She wants equal access to be able to have the basic needs of life so she and her HUSBAND can appropriately provide for her family.

But we rush to defend freedom overseas? But we are quick to keep our own people in bondage? I'm confused.

Everyone isn't born with a silver spoon. Somebody has to pick up the trash and serve YOU your food. Someone has to grow the food and drive the delivery truck. Every working real American deserves equality. We are our brother's keeper. If we would spend more time caring for each other and not being so selfish and self-righteous, our country wouldn't be morally decling the way it is.

Posted by: jayanap | August 3, 2007 9:57 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277354&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277354%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

A Message for jasonjallen

I am so happy you are in Canada.

Given your dislikes for the current administration, I assume you have removed all US products from your household, and personal usage.

I remember that following the reelection of our current President, a number of celebrities, and I think it even included Barbara Steisand, promised to migrate to Canada.

Well nearly 3 years have passed and these folks still maintain their residence in the US and have not shown any signs of moving to Canada. I guess Canada isn't as great as you northerners would like us to believe it is.

As for you, do us Americans a favor and don't come to enjoy the beauty and wealth the US has to offer we wouldn't want you to have a terrible time.

Posted by: thommy1 | August 3, 2007 9:56 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277348&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277348%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

There are a number of false statements being made in this discussion that should be addresed.
1. The US has the best health care in the world - If you look at the 13 developed countries and rank them according to the 16 basic public health statistics (life expectency, birth weight, etc.), the US ranks 12th or 13th in each one. No other of these countries does nearly so badly. As a check on this result, WHO has rated all the countries on health care. The US ranks 37th right there with Slovenia and Bolivia.
2.Our system is efficient - If you look at the average per patient cost of the other 12 developed countries, you will see the US pays 2.5 TIMES as much. We pay much more for much worse health care.
3. Other countries have severe problems with health care - Most of these complaints are exaggerated. The ones that are true are caused by the country in question not spending enough money, not by the fact they have a more efficient single payer system. Can you imagine the problems of our system if we cut expeditures by 60%? Notice, however, that as we have seen above in spite of their not spending a lot of money, they are getting better health care.
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Go to www.pnhp.org for a lot more facts that show a single payer system is just more efficient. We can't afford our present wastful health care system. We need Medicare for all!

Posted by: lensch | August 3, 2007 9:56 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277343&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277343%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

So if this lady said she had difficulty buying clothes for her kids, should the government take over the apparel industry, raise taxes, take away freedom of choice and institute price controls on clothing?

That's what some of you are proposing with Hillarycare. The leftist media like to highlight whiners and then blame the rest of us for not "caring,"--i.e. not agreeing to a Soviet-style system of government.

You cite the VA system as socialized medicine. Well, in a sense it is. And look how "well" it's doing. How's that Social Security thing working out for everybody?--that's "socialized retirement accounts." It's going bankrupt.

Don't you see the government wants more and more power? And they'll only get it by scaring you into thinking they can handle all areas of commerce better than you.

Read the 10th amendment if you want to know why America is different from Russia, France or Cuba. We place limits on our government. Paying your doctor bills with your neighbors paycheck should not be a function of American government--even though it satisfies your own selfishness.

Look at Rudy's health care ideas if you want to know what will work for the future.

Posted by: semmes | August 3, 2007 9:55 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277341&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277341%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

All the GOP lovers on this blog think their party has the answer. Well they dont, they take all the money that drug companies shower upon them and do nothing for the American people. I dont care which party straightens it out as long as it gets fixed. For someone on this blog to say the GOP has all the answers i say pull your head out of your you know what and get with reality. And for those who attack this woman becasue she has 4 kids shows just how low people will go to attack hard working americans....

Posted by: rharring | August 3, 2007 9:55 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277340&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277340%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

This article highlights the massive inequity between rich and poor, the haves and the have-nots. Hooray to the waitress for speaking her mind and not allowing an arrogant know-it-all politician interrupt her.

Ther real question is when will we take this issue seriously? For those who can afford for private health insurance or for those who receive it as part of their job benefits, there is no issue. But for the rest of Americans, who through no fault of their own, are caught in an endless web of trying to survive, they feel no one cares about them.

It's not about so-called socialized medicine. We're not talking about the healthcare available in the UK, Australia or Canada. We're talking about a U.S. version of universal healthcare -- in other words -- the ability to procure some type of access to a program where even the poorest of the poor can be treated.

There are no easy answers as Sen. Clinton found out during the early days of her husband's administration. We must pressure our elected officials to work harder toward a real and viable compromise.

Posted by: robcmor | August 3, 2007 9:54 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277338&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277338%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

No, we don't have the best health care. Even the insured have worse outcomes than people in other countries.

Posted by: barg | August 3, 2007 9:53 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277330&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277330%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Guess what? We don't have a free market system of health care; our non-system does not deliver care to a large pool of people; our health care costs are almost double those of other industrialized nations; new drugs can cost as much as a new auto for one year's supply and more than an average home over five years. We have priced ourselves out of the market.

The system has failed to be economical and efficient. We need some change. We can start by cutting administrative costs which are in the 30% of expenditures range--the rest of the world spends 15% or less.

Posted by: pagoff | August 3, 2007 9:52 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277328&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277328%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

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I think a lot of people REALLY miss the point -- REPUBLICANS DO NOT CARE ABOUT POOR PEOPLE!!!

And, why should they? The poor Red State rednecks are surely not going to vote for Democrats because they perceive them as being soft of crime, terrorism, etc., even though they aren't. There's no reason for Republicans to give stupid poor rednecks anything when they are getting the vote already. And, poor blacks are going to vote for Democrats regardless of what republicans do so doing something for them is pointless.

The republican party is about nothing more than power and cold hard cash. Yeah, they pander to the morons who follow Jerry Fellwell, Don Wildman and the AFA, but that just for appearances.

And, those poor red state rednecks LOVE this war. It's funny and sad to see those idiot parents from flyover proudly talking about how their first born son died in Iraq, and now they are hoping that the war lasts long enough for his brothers to go over there and die too.

So, we are now seeing the result of what happens when stupid people vote because Bush and Cheney are DEFINITELY the dumb@$$es' dumb@$$es.

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Posted by: asd2 | August 3, 2007 9:52 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277326&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277326%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

There was a report released today bout how Americans are not the tallest and fittest in the world anymore. It's directly related to the amount of uninsured and underinsured people in this country, along with the lack of preventative and prenatal care, processed and fast food, and lack of fresh produce in certain (urban) areas of the country. There are about 20 countries performing better than the US.

Posted by: heruborn7 | August 3, 2007 9:52 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277323&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277323%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I love the people who say "govt was not created to etc. etc." -- the passive construction there is revealing.

Question: Says who?

Our government is expected to serve the common good as expressed in elections. (Naturally, of course, this doesn't much happen, as our government has been thoroughly bought.) Still and all, the argument that govt should only deliver the mail and raise armies is outdated, boring, and not persuasive. In case you didn't notice, our country faces a number of very complex problems, many of which can't be addressed simply by the application of the profit motive.

Posted by: bloom111 | August 3, 2007 9:50 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277315&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277315%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The secret to not being poor is for women to keep their legs together until marriage.

Posted by: dwroberts_03860 | August 3, 2007 9:50 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277314&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277314%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

yes, we do have the best health care... if you can afford it. Then people complain about socializing medicine. Why does't anyone complainabout the fact ha our police force is socialized? And why should life-or-eath situations be a for-profit business? Doesn't make much sense to me.

Posted by: mcmahon10 | August 3, 2007 9:50 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277312&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277312%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

It is just so easy to judge, really. I'm willing to bet that those of you who think the health care system is fine as it is don't have a serious disease to contend with. It is expensive to be sick in this country. My co-pays are $50 dollars. My medications, and as a diabetic I'm on about 6 different ones, cost $20-25 per pop. I have to refill 2 to 3 of them once a month. That adds up. It isn't about planning - you can't plan what diseases your children have, just like you can't plan what diseases you might have some day. The problem is that people who are doing their best to get by can't because of situations like these. All they are asking for is fair treatment. Lower co-pays! Insurance for everyone, not just those of you who don't fall into a high risk group! Hand outs aren't the answer, fixing the system is.

Posted by: calotype | August 3, 2007 9:47 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277304&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277304%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

If you watch the video, you will hear the woman say her husband works two jobs and she has just come back to work after being on disability. This woman and her family are hard working, middle class people with health problems. How is this her fault? She doesn't want a free ride. She is asking for fairness and for the government to help change the system so that the insurance companies aren't lining their pockets. If government can give tax breaks to the wealthiest, why can't they also intervene in a corrupt system that takes advantage of the weakest among us? I don't understand how people can support the trillion dollars spent in Iraq, or tax cuts for corporations and millionaires, but point the finger at average Americans and say "it's your fault that you're sick and can't pay for it. don't have children!" Stop listening to Rush Limbaugh and think for yourself!

Posted by: perelandra21 | August 3, 2007 9:47 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277301&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277301%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

To all the supporters of socialized medicine. I grew up in a European country that offers socialized medicine and let me tell you it is not what the candidates supporting socialized medicine what you to believe it is.

Under the socialized medicine program, I had to wait for 10 months to get a bed in a hospital for a simple hernia operation. When my father offered to pay for the operation out of his pocket, a bed was provided the next day. And by the way, the amount an employee contributes per year out of his paycheck, although capped, is still close to $8,000 per year. So is this really the healthcare system America should strive to offer it's citizens?

All I can say is don't listen to the US press on socialized medicine abroad. Take a close look at the individual systems, and I don't mean by that go watch Michael Moore's movie, but ask the average European on the street and you will find out a socialized medicine program would be a detriment to the US healthcare system.


You be the judge!!!

Posted by: thommy1 | August 3, 2007 9:46 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277295&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277295%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

As long as insurance companies cannot discriminate between those people living a healthy lifestyle and those that don't, you don't have a free market system. Insurance should be based on actuarial science, the current system is mostly an income redistribution scheme. Why should I pay the same premium as someone who slugs down fast food every day?

Posted by: wapo2 | August 3, 2007 9:43 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277289&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277289%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

As some one who is in the middle of this issue, and have read about it. I recommend something I think anyone can agree with.

Get rid of the damn lobbyists for insurance companies, and stop out of control frivolous lawsuits.

We are paying far too much money for the care we receive because the insurance companies are justifying it by claiming liabilities are to high.

Also it would stand to reason a cap or some restrictions be put on health care companies to ensure that profit isn't their only goal. I know some adjusters and they are supposed to turn anyone down they legally can, with no regard for right or wrong.

Posted by: bobby8405 | August 3, 2007 9:42 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277283&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277283%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Canadian living in Canada here. It's very sad to watch what's happened to your country's people. It's as if the country's turned its back on its poorer. I think your country used to be such an inspiration to the world, but unfortunately, your reputation has become the joke heard 'round the world since GWB took office. You were once so great, but your government let the special interest groups and corporations take over. Come back, USA.

Posted by: jasonjallen | August 3, 2007 9:42 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277279&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277279%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Having received medical treatment in two different European countries and Canada, I would advise all those who believe socialized medicine is the cure for our health care woes to reconsider. Khrons and diabetes are two tough conditions to live with, but at least her kids have been correctly diagnosed and are receiving the correct treatment. Under a socialized system, her children would be diagnosed with something like seasickness, given some dramamine, and sent on their way. (I'm not exaggerating here). Having just had a baby, I deplore the fact that our doctors have discovered that when it comes to health care, pricing is governed by inelastic demand. It seems wrong to me that every doctor I know has two houses and a boat, but socializing the system is not the answer. As absurd as they are, sumptuary laws would honestly be a better solution. From appearances, this woman has an adequate income to be able to eat. She has enough for food, health care, and a roof over her head. If she wants to be able to buy her kids a Nintendo, she can do what the rest of us do, go to school and get a better job.

Posted by: anjos | August 3, 2007 9:41 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277276&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277276%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Why is health care paid by an employer pre-tax dollars? Health care paid for by an individual or family is paid for with after-tax dollars. It is time Congress fixed this inequity in the system! ALL HEALTH CARE DOLLARS SHOULD BE PRE-TAX!

Posted by: jcard14 | August 3, 2007 9:41 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277274&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277274%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Why is health care paid by an employer pre-tax dollars? Health care paid for by an individual or family is paid for with after-tax dollars. It is time Congress fixed this inequity in the system! ALL HEALTH CARE DOLLARS SHOULD BE PRE-TAX!

Posted by: jcard14 | August 3, 2007 9:41 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277273&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277273%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

i agree with you lambc. Who ever said more competition for health care provider will lower prices is totally gullable and brain washed by these republicans. I'm not saying we should hand out freebies. These republicans would rather waste our money on their wasteful, ill-planned war then help poor and needy Americans. And they say their compasionate conservatism. What an oxymoron and bs

Posted by: loewsing | August 3, 2007 9:40 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277270&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277270%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

i agree with you lambc. Who ever said more competition for health care provider will lower prices is totally gullable and brain washed by these republicans. I'm not saying we should hand out freebies. These republicans would rather waste our money on their wasteful, ill-planned war then help poor and needy Americans. And they say their compasionate conservatism. What an oxymoron and bs

Posted by: loewsing | August 3, 2007 9:40 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277269&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277269%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

There's a reason why the rest of the civilized world has adopted socialized medicine: healthcare, like food and water, is essential for the continuation of life to occur. American health "insurance" companies are allowed to directly control their profit margins by simply saying no to the guy who needs an expensive bone marrow transplant in order to stay alive. We need look no further than BC/BS's annual profit and loss statements for the last few years for the proof.

The fact is, it's hard to live. It's hard to grow up and always make the right choices, so at times many of us find ourselves in need of a leg up. The wealthy can complain all they want but as Jesus said, "The poor you will have with you always". We can take care of our own, or we can let them die so our taxes don't go up. It's our choice.

Posted by: s-walker.3 | August 3, 2007 9:39 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277267&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277267%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

As long as people are eating twinkies, drinking alcohol, and smoking cigarettes (or worse), I have no interest in paying to restore the health they themselves are hell-bent on damaging.

It was her decision to have kids, and now she wants me to pay for their medical care? That's what the poor seem to want... someone else to pay for their own bad decisions.

Posted by: dude_wheres_my_country | August 3, 2007 9:38 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277264&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277264%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The government was not created to take care of everyone. This is not what the government was established to do. Socialized healthcare does not work. 3 years ago I was in Australia and their was a picture of a man who had a hernia the size of a basketball on his right side on the front page of the paper. In their socialized system that was considered an elective surgery and he to wait about 2 to 3 months but because he was on the front page and their was an outpour he got the surgery within a week. If this happened in the states with or without insurance that hernia would not have gotten that big. Australia also has private health insurance where you will get better service than someone who is using socialized healthcare. Free healthcare does not work Read the articles and listen to the people in England and look at the statistics. We all here free healthcare and go wow its free sign me up but most americans don't ever research what impications it has and don't research what kind of healthcare you really get and just don't understand how bad it really is in othe rcountries. The reason healthcare is so expensive is because of the amount that is paid by Doctors and hospitals to be insured. Malpractice lawsuits is what is driving up the price. Doctors need to be held accountable for their mistakes and when they are that 50 million dollar settlement or 100 million dollar affects everyone who uses the healthcare system. We are all paying for a doctors mistake. Another thing to consider you are not just paying for the treatment you are paying for the supplies, personnel saleries, the building, utilities etc etc etc. Give you another example A doctor or nurse uses one 4x4 sponge on you you are not paying for that one sponge you are paying for the whole box where that one sponge came from. Healthcare does need to be fixed and people shopuld have better access to healthcare but it is not the governments responsibility to provide. If you don't have the skills to get a job with a business that has healthcare coverage than you need to aquire the skills to get a better life for yourself or your family

Posted by: mussina4 | August 3, 2007 9:38 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277263&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277263%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Abortion is the only answer to the problems addressed by the diner. Abort! Abort!

Posted by: goodblackpipe | August 3, 2007 9:37 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277259&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277259%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Well, this discussion just proves that people hear what they want to here. The waitress is MARRIED, her husband works 2 jobs. Her problem is that after paying $1000 a month for health insurance, she then has to pay $50/ office visit, and $30-$50/ prescription. With 3 sick children, not her fault her children are ill, and many prescriptions to fill, that's tough to handle on a waitress salary, even with her husband's 2 jobs. She wants someone to rein in the insurance companies, and I agree. My insurance used to be great, $10 copays, $10 prescriptions. It's now $25 copays, and the prescriptions start at $25, but most of ours are $60, because they aren't on the preferred list. And the price we pay for this rapidly diminishing return goes up ever year.

Posted by: sparks3 | August 3, 2007 9:33 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277240&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277240%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

As of 8/2/07, the United States of America is spending approximately $2 BILLION a week in Iraq. $2 BILLION!!! If we can find money to support war and colonization of other countries, we should first find money to address the issues that affect the majority of Americans here in the USA, such as healthcare, education, jobs, homelessness, city infrastructures (e.g., water supply, roads, public transportation, bridges, etc.), and security. WHERE ARE OUR PRIORITIES?!? Thanks goodness for that waitress at the Red Arrow diner; we need more Americans stepping up and saying "ENOUGH!!!" to canned stump speeches that will continue the same ole, same ole. Let's hold every political candidate to a high standard to address real problems with with real solutions.

Posted by: smt1968 | August 3, 2007 9:32 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277237&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277237%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Democrats are not just looking to take everyone's tax dollars to help the poor with health care. Obama said the government should help the auto industry, which spends billions of dollars on their retirees health insurance. If they spent that money on R&D, they wouldn't be trailing foreign automakers in quality and mpg. But here are high-dollar former employees, draining the Big 3 of billions for their health care. And a Democratic presidential candidate wants to give this one industry taxpayers' money to help them stay afloat. Let the retirees pay their own health care, just like most other retirees in the nation. The Big 3 should be the best in the world. But when they overspend (billions) for retiree health care, when their well-paid employees could have bought their own, Obama is rewarding management incompetence and union greed by suggesting taxpayers foot the Big 3s bills. This is not helping your fellow man; this is trolling for UAW votes.

Posted by: llrllr | August 3, 2007 9:31 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277235&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277235%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

| so why does she have four kids to begin with

So you're saying what we need is a good time machine? Unfortunately, time moves in a forward direction and we need to solve problems as they occur. At the very least, demonstrate some compassion.

Posted by: jv20155 | August 3, 2007 9:31 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277234&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277234%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Oh sure, I'm sure it's as simple as you make it out to be. I'm sick of this right-wing hypocrisy. Until you put your money where your so-called "values" are, I don't want to hear a word about this woman's decision to have four children. Guess what--condoms break. Do you know how much prescription birth control costs when you don't have insurance? How about the doctor's appointment you have to make in order to get a prescription for it? And let's not even get into the liabilities of abstinence-only sex education or the restrictions on access to a legal and safe abortion due to an unwanted pregnancy. Until your party starts using some logic, you have no feet to stand on. Get real.

Posted by: angelomer683 | August 3, 2007 9:30 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277232&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277232%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

When you have a pre-existing condition like diabetes you can't just go buy insurance. A lot of states have rules and regulations in place that allow private insurance companies to deny a diabetic person, for example, coverage. That is where I stand right now as a diabetic. If I lose my job, I have to put $600+ a month into COBRA, and that isn't a small amount! If I lose coverage then I can be denied coverage in the future because I'm in a high risk group. Those of us who need to have access to medical care the most are often the ones who get screwed over by insurance companies! This woman didn't seem to be asking for a hand out - she was asking for equal treatment! When dealing with a subject like health care, you can't look at it from the viewpoint of someone who is in perfect health, as a lot of you seem to be doing.

Posted by: calotype | August 3, 2007 9:29 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277228&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277228%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Ah, come one, the righties are totally right on this one!

We really needed that last 800-Billion-Dollar nuclear sub! How else are we going to protect ourselves in the --dear me!-- War Without End!

All you waitresses with sick kids, just remember: the money that could have been spent providing quality care for you and yours is patrolling the murky depths of distant seas. So, be comforted by that, okay?

Or don't you get it? Welfare is for the Pentagon. And it's Social Darwinism for the rest of us.

Posted by: bloom111 | August 3, 2007 9:24 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277217&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277217%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

This story refers to Michele Griffin's three children, but previous comments refer to four. Could someone please point me to the source of that information? Also, I didn't read anything in the story about her marital status or the fatherhood of her children; and she has worked at this diner for 12 years. However, some comments refer to "welfare mothers" and unmarried mothers. She is a working mother, according to the article.

Posted by: CherieOK | August 3, 2007 9:22 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277212&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277212%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The state of America is deplorable and yet we maintain that because we're still "the superpower" that we have to assert our influence across the globe. BS. Our education system is in shambles, our healthcare system is top-notch and expensive (double-edged sword), our social security system is absolutely broken and we're losing our jobs to overseas companies while illegal immigrants take over the rest. I think we have enough problems at home. I don't like to think of myself as an isolationist because that has gotten us into enough trouble in the past but the point of government is to take care of the people over whom it is sovereign and assure their security. Global affairs MUST wait because American society is suffering.

Posted by: hegemon4ever | August 3, 2007 9:21 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277210&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277210%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

"I didn't tell her, or Mitt Romney didn't tell her to have four kids. Why didn't she take some responsibility and use birth control? She's made bad decisions all her life and now she wants the government to stuff lard down her throat and make everything all better."

So it's also her fault that one of them is a diabetic and one of them has Khrons Disease? Because I'm sure that drives the costs up a bit. Maybe she is more than able to support 4 healthy children, but two happen to be decidedly unhealthy. Maybe she was married and financially stable and her husband ditched her with the kids. You people are so selfish and callous - it makes me nauseous just reading it.

Posted by: modestproposal81 | August 3, 2007 9:20 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277207&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277207%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Yes, people can and should help the downtrodden. But not the government. The government has no businees reaching into the pockets of wage earners and deciding which charities to help. Reduce taxes and let people decide what to do with their own money and which charities to give to. It just might not be the global war on AIDS.

Posted by: onobleL | August 3, 2007 9:20 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277206&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277206%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Well, to all the folks who seem intent on placing blame and attacking this waitress for simply expressing her opinion - did you read about her children having diabetes and Krohn's? I suppose that is this woman's fault too?

Posted by: kenzoan13 | August 3, 2007 9:19 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277204&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277204%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Gov Romney did excellent in the improptu question and answer session.

He got his point across well but may be he needed to show a little more compassion.

Posted by: rkkorrapa | August 3, 2007 9:17 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277201&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277201%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

So what some are saying is that the government should just sit by and watch some of its citizens wither away? That makes a ton of sense. Nobody is saying the government should be responsible for any one person's problems, but when government makes it damn near impossible for those with problems, to fix them. That is when it becomes the government's problem.

Posted by: rdy4all2000 | August 3, 2007 9:17 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277199&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277199%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

It's amazing to listen to the great divide in opinions, on health care as well as every other divisive issue in this country! Should the government be responsible for insuring the 48 million plus Americans that have no access to health care? Conservatives say: "It's there own damn fault - get a job that offers health insurance." Guess that's one way to look at. Liberals want the government to cover everyone, regardless of the cost. It's funny, but the majority of Americans continue to be unrepresented in the political spectrum - the moderate majority that has to choose between whacko candidates that pander to the extremes on the left and right.

Why can't the government ensure (not insure) that all Americans have equal access to obtaining reasonable health care? I for one, and I'm a government employee, have no desire to see the government running a national health care plan; however, we should expect of our government to provide certain minimum services to the stakeholders (i.e., the people that elect them to represent us). In the end, it's not the governments' fault - we only have to look in the mirrors as we continue to allow our representatives to act in their best interests and not ours.

Posted by: seanasbury | August 3, 2007 9:17 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277198&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277198%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

It's amazing to listen to the great divide in opinions, on health care as well as every other divisive issue in this country! Should the government be responsible for insuring the 48 million plus Americans that have no access to health care? Conservatives say: "It's there own damn fault - get a job that offers health insurance." Guess that's one way to look at. Liberals want the government to cover everyone, regardless of the cost. It's funny, but the majority of Americans continue to be unrepresented in the political spectrum - the moderate majority that has to choose between whacko candidates that pander to the extremes on the left and right.

Why can't the government ensure (not insure) that all Americans have equal access to obtaining reasonable health care? I for one, and I'm a government employee, have no desire to see the government running a national health care plan; however, we should expect of our government to provide certain minimum services to the stakeholders (i.e., the people that elect them to represent us). In the end, it's not the governments' fault - we only have to look in the mirrors as we continue to allow our representatives to act in their best interests and not ours.

Posted by: seanasbury | August 3, 2007 9:17 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277196&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277196%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

It's amazing to listen to the great divide in opinions, on health care as well as every other divisive issue in this country! Should the government be responsible for insuring the 48 million plus Americans that have no access to health care? Conservatives say: "It's there own damn fault - get a job that offers health insurance." Guess that's one way to look at. Liberals want the government to cover everyone, regardless of the cost. It's funny, but the majority of Americans continue to be unrepresented in the political spectrum - the moderate majority that has to choose between whacko candidates that pander to the extremes on the left and right.

Why can't the government ensure (not insure) that all Americans have equal access to obtaining reasonable health care? I for one, and I'm a government employee, have no desire to see the government running a national health care plan; however, we should expect of our government to provide certain minimum services to the stakeholders (i.e., the people that elect them to represent us). In the end, it's not the governments' fault - we only have to look in the mirrors as we continue to allow our representatives to act in their best interests and not ours.

Posted by: seanasbury | August 3, 2007 9:17 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277197&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277197%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I didn't see anywhere in the article where it said she was on welfare or "didn't take a husband." Parents die, spouses leave, and some people don't have jobs that offer them health care or enough money to buy insurance. Meanwhile, Mr. Romney and his friends in the upper crust have great insurance policies and actually PAY LESS for prescriptions. How is that fair? She isn't asking for a handout, she's asking for the SAME quality and price of health care as Mr. Romney gets. And the same right wing that is saying, "why did you have four kids?" is the same one that would deny her affordable birth control --or, if the pro lifers have their way, any access at all! Isn't the whole point of freedom that a woman can choose to have four children? Does "freedom" mean only that we must slave for as much money as possible and never live? What an impoverished view of human life.

Posted by: rcs39 | August 3, 2007 9:13 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277181&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277181%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Yeah, life is rough, isn't it? I'll drone on about my problems sometime.

Posted by: jethro1 | August 3, 2007 9:10 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277176&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277176%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Where did it say that this woman was poor and on welfare?

This is person who, no fault of her own, has the dumb luck to have two kids who are very ill. With health care as it is today, if you don't work for a large company that offers superb health care insurance, the cost of medical care for the severely ill could wipe out the best of us.

Posted by: TheNewMe | August 3, 2007 9:10 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277172&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277172%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Take a look at the above comments. Road to serfdom. She shouldn't have had four kids to begin with. Are these people slightly crazy. Do they propose shutting down the Veterans Administration which is one of the purest forms of socialized medicine in the world. Are they going to shutter Medicare which is a single payer sytem that operates through a private sector delivery structure. The simple facts are these. This country is spending about twice as much on healthcare as the rest of the western world and producing inferior outcomes in many cases. The most glaring of these is that about 45 million people have no health insurance but there are others like higher infant mortality rates and lower life expectancy. Even worse it is making large swathes of our manufacturing industry uncompetitive. According to folks like the author of the serfdom comment the answer does not lie in a single payer sytem but the free market. What this blithely ignores is that we have the free market now and it's largely responsible for the mess the system is in. And it's going to get much worse because at current rate of cost increase and with the boomer retirement surge our total expenditure is forecast to double in the next ten years so that we would then be spending over 30% of our GDP on healthcare. This is simple unsustainable. Instead of trotting out mindless slogans like road to serfdom we need to recognise there is huge problem here and yes govt has got a responsibility for the health of its citizens in a 21st century society. Serfdom lies in turning the clock back not facing today's problems.

Posted by: johnbsmrk | August 3, 2007 9:08 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277169&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277169%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

It's not our job to take care of other countries either, but we do. People fall on hard times and she doesn't have four kids she has three. She isn't asking for a handout, she works by the way, she is asking for a little bit of help and a lot of respect. Respect for the people who built this country and the ones who keep it going--the middle class.

I didn't see where the article said she was a single mom either, but even if she is, single mothers are not the only people in this country struggling and with out healthcare. Old people who have worked all their lives are struggling; young kids right out of college are struggling, the people who built your cars are struggling (maybe not, maybe you don't buy American) the people who grow your food and feed it to you are struggling.

If the government wouldn't let all the jobs be shipped off to China, import low skilled workers who break the law by coming here, and in general, do everything they can to screw the people of this country, then maybe people like her wouldn't be asking for some help.


Posted by: Irishgirl74 | August 3, 2007 9:07 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277162&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277162%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

New Hampshire's motto is "Live Free or Die". Well, she's living free of government interference, right? She also gets the benefit of no state sales tax and no state income tax. Yet she wants the government to take care of her.

Posted by: nanunanu | August 3, 2007 9:06 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277157&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277157%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

semmes & KABOOKEY - siamese twins or just sharing a brain?

The simple fact, now obvious to all but the completely blind, is that the wealthy have gutted this country to the point that we can no longer even support our infrastructure. This mindless adoration of greed has left us with a country where no one wants to do any job that will not make them a millionaire in six months. Those who do those jobs get the shaft and then people like you mount disdain upon them.

Our economy is crashing under the weight of thieves who steal and then respond that their victims simply should have been more careful. Meanwhile, those who actually work for a living are insulted and laughed at by wealthy criminals. Insurance companies are some of the worst thieves. I'm pretty sure we can solve the entire health care "crisis" by simply jailing the lot of them and distributing their bloated wealth to the medical community so they can actually provide MEDICAL services.

Why do I get the feeling, from your responses, that when the American people finally tire of being crime victims, that you two will be among the first arrested.

Posted by: Ogman | August 3, 2007 9:06 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277156&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277156%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I just don't understand why people keep using the words "socialized medicine" as if it is a bad thing. Medicare and Medicaid are socialized medicine. America needs to stop leaving people behind.

I think it is criminal that people can actually go bankrupt having to pay medical bills when we can spend so much money on other pretty useless things.

Without certainty in healthcare American economic competitiveness is just going to get worse and worse. Does business really prefer to spend ever increasing money on health insurance when an increase in taxes would be easy to predict and adapt to.

Posted by: richardl78 | August 3, 2007 9:05 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277154&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277154%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

All of the righteous righties line up, as always, to blame other people for the failure of our society to provide reasonable healthcare.

Obviously, either all of them have generous healthcare insurance or have never gotten sick. Good for them, and it makes it so much easier to spew out their "social Darwinism" as if it was somehow relevant to the discussion.

Healthcare premiums have NEVER EVER dropped due to competition. Ever. As someone who worked for HMOs and insurance companies for twenty years until he wanted to vomit and quit, I assure you more money may be spent on marketing, but premiums do not ever go down.

Prove otherwise or keep your self-servient platitudes to yourselves.

Posted by: lambcannon | August 3, 2007 9:04 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277152&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277152%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Oh New Hampshire! Such genius to schedule your primary so that your little mountain state somehow becomes the sounding board for our future leaders! You have to wonder about a system that gives a diner waitress multiple moments in the spotlight while the vast majority of Americans of all classes never get to meet their own congressman, let alone presidential candidates.

Posted by: jeremyweiss | August 3, 2007 9:01 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277147&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277147%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

This election is about the electorate being in a "Give me, Give me, Give me mode." This waitress embodies exactly what this country has become, a nation of whiners. I didn't tell her, or Mitt Romney didn't tell her to have four kids. Why didn't she take some responsibility and use birth control? She's made bad decisions all her life and now she wants the government to stuff lard down her throat and make everything all better. Phooey on that. Trouble is the Democrats are only too hapyy to oblige.
Go Romney for having the poise to deal with this cry baby.

Posted by: dwroberts_03860 | August 3, 2007 9:00 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277141&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277141%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

We have the world's best health care system, and it ain't cheap. We all share the cost, either from private plans or some public plan. Really it all comes down to what line item in our paystub is for healthcare - healthcare or taxes? And if taxes, then we're talking about entitlements to the poor (nothing bad about that), with general clinics for the poor and private clinics for the rich. Which is pretty much what we have now. So the real question becomes, do we want to maintain our high quality/price of care?

Posted by: jhorstma | August 3, 2007 8:59 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277138&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277138%26blog_id=322">Report abuse


The democrats simply want to socialize medicine. period. The republicans want to open the market for health care so that prices drop through competition.

The democrats are stuck in the 70s.

Posted by: dboc_9911 | August 3, 2007 8:59 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277137&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277137%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

There are a lot of heartless people posting about this article that are labeling this woman a welfare mother and assigning the blame for her situation to her. I am tired of this selflessness. These are nothing more than excuses to allow people to turn their backs on their responsibilities. That's right, I send it, we are our brothers keeper is the sense that we have a moral obligation to care for those less fortumate then ourselves. We who are blessed have a responsibility to those that our culture exploits. And now the warning, if we do not soften our hearts the wealth that God has granted this nation will be withdrawn.

Posted by: wjj_johnson | August 3, 2007 8:59 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277136&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277136%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

Response to Kabooky's Comments: When you right wingers decide on your own what is in the best interest of a woman and refuse to allow abortion, and let kids be born, that is the time you need to take responsibility as an american,as an human being, as a fellow citizen. Please don't criticize that waitress for having four kids. She is not on welfare, she is working, just trying for a fair deal. Why should rich people get all the breaks. Trust me the next elections will put people like yo and all the odd ball republicans lie Romney into th eice age. Your ideas and days are fast nearing to an end.

Posted by: smatken8 | August 3, 2007 8:58 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277134&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277134%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I'm tired of people begging the government to take care of them. If it's the goverment's job to pay for your health insurance, why don't they buy you a refrigerator, pay for your groceries and provide you with a car to boot? Government doesn't exist to give you things. Government exists to protect your liberty to pursue the things you want. The so-called "single payer system" is nothing but socialized medicine. But with all the sobbing single moms who decided to have kids without taking husbands, I'm sure we'll end up marching down that road to serfdom.

Posted by: semmes | August 3, 2007 8:47 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277106&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277106%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

The time for universal single-payer health insurance is now. Every other industrialized country in the world has it. We are already paying (through the nose) for it, but what we get instead, as Griffin points out, are deductibles, copays, coverage caps, and various other weasly devices to put money in the hands of the insurance companies. Let's cut these guys out of the picture, pronto!

Posted by: ancient_mariner | August 3, 2007 8:38 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277087&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277087%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

I agree we should be helping people at home first but I also agree that government is not the answer. This person has four kids and it sounds like she can't support them so why does she have four kids to begin with and then why is the government's (mine and yours) fault. Jesse Ventura had the best response to a welfare mother some years ago about this in telling her why is it his fault for her problems.

Posted by: KABOOKEY | August 3, 2007 8:35 AM | In Emotional Exchange on Health Care%20%20|%20%201277081&body=%0D%0D%0D%0D%0D================%0D?__mode=view%26_type=comment%26id=1277081%26blog_id=322">Report abuse

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