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Monday's Ad Only Beginning for MoveOn


Sen. John Cornyn brandishes the controversial MoveOn ad. (Reuters).

After MoveOn.org ran an ad in Monday's New York Times depicting General David Petraeus as "General Betray Us," Republicans pounded the ad during hearings this week. Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, whose campaign MoveOn spent millions on in 2004, called it "over the top" and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said on "Good Morning America," "I would have preferred that they won't do such an ad."

MoveOn is, well, moving on to its next plea to end the Iraq War, planning an ad for later this week that will slam Bush but also criticize congressional Democrats for not pushing hard enough to end the war. And the liberal group isn't at all apologetic about its fiery tone in attacking Petraeus.

Eli Pariser, the executive director of Moveon.org, said the goal of the ad was to take on Petraeus's credibility before he spoke and that was achieved, even with the backlash.

"Our whole goal was to open up this conversation about these numbers," he said, referring to the statistics Petraeus offered in his testimony to suggest progress was being made in Iraq, which MoveOn called "at war with the facts" in its ad.

The GOP presidential candidates jumped on the MoveOn ad to attack the Democrats, with Arizona Senator John McCain putting out a statement saying "I remain deeply disappointed by the failure of leading Democrat presidential candidates to personally and publicly denounce the smear tactics used against General Petraeus by MoveOn.org. There is no greater slander to a soldier than an accusation of betrayal to his nation. I do not understand why those seeking to be commander-in-chief have yet to forcefully denounce, in their own words, this McCarthyite attack on our commander. I hope they would reconsider their silence and not let this slander of an exceptional American stand."

Pariser said he doesn't mind attacks from McCain or even the Democrats.
"We're not accountable ultimately to the Democrats," Pariser said. "We're accountable to people who want a swift end to the war and that's the end goal here." Tellingly, the 2008 Democratic campaigns all issued statements that emphasized their desire to end the war, but stayed away from criticizing MoveOn, a group that is increasingly powerful in the party.

The ad was the latest example of the complicated relationship that MoveOn has with the Democrats. Founded back in 1998 for Congress to "move on," from trying to impeach President Clinton, MoveOn has long asserted itself in liberal causes, vocally opposing the Iraq War and spending millions to get Democrats elected in 2004 and 2006. The group has an e-mail of list of several million that helps raise money for Democratic candidates, and as it has become increasingly influential, the Democratic establishment has in many ways accepted MoveOn into the fold. Democratic leaders meet with Pariser and top MoveOn leaders and ask the group to raise money for particular candidates in tough races.

At the same time, MoveOn acts independently, such as in 2006 when it backed Ned Lamont, because the group thought Lamont's opponent, sitting Democrat Sen. Joe Lieberman, was too pro-war. Earlier this year, after MoveOn argued that FOX News was biased against Democrats, the party's 2008 candidates dropped out of a debate that would have been aired on FOX. Democrats backed out even though it meant irking another powerful part of the party, the Congressional Black Caucus, which was hosting the debate.

--Perry Bacon Jr.

By Washington Post editors  |  September 12, 2007; 7:37 PM ET
 
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The reasons for the 2002 Authorization to Use Military Force in Iraq, are not valid today. The resolution was based on lies that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction, which were not found. Iraq does not appear to be a threat to any other nation and does not have the capability to threaten bordering nations. Saddam Hussein was captured and executed. The 2002 authorization does not authorize the Iraq occupation.

George Bush has repeatedly demonstrated his dishonesty, incompetence and inability to manage a hurricane relief operation or a military occupation. The Iraq occupation is illegal and unconstitutional. ONLY CONGRESS CAN DECLARE WAR Congress needs to stand up to Bush and defend the Constitution.

Here is a letter sent to the Washington Post, by twelve courageous Army Iraq veterans, who value our nation, more than their careers. They have told the truth, about the Iraq occupation:

The Real Iraq We Knew
By 12 former Army captains
Tuesday, October 16, 2007; 12:00 AM

Today marks five years since the authorization of military force in Iraq, setting Operation Iraqi Freedom in motion.

Five years on, the Iraq war is as undermanned and under-resourced as it was from the start. And, five years on, Iraq is in shambles.

As Army captains who served in Baghdad and beyond, we've seen the corruption and the sectarian division. We understand what it's like to be stretched too thin. And we know when it's time to get out.

What does Iraq look like on the ground?

It's certainly far from being a modern, self-sustaining country. Many roads, bridges, schools and hospitals are in deplorable condition. Fewer people have access to drinking water or sewage systems than before the war. And Baghdad is averaging less than eight hours of electricity a day.

Iraq's institutional infrastructure, too, is sorely wanting. Even if the Iraqis wanted to work together and accept the national identity foisted upon them in 1920s, the ministries do not have enough trained administrators or technicians to coordinate themselves. At the local level, most communities are still controlled by the same autocratic sheiks that ruled under Saddam. There is no reliable postal system. No effective banking system. No registration system to monitor the population and its needs.

The inability to govern is exacerbated at all levels by widespread corruption. Transparency International ranks Iraq as one of the most corrupt countries in the world. And, indeed, many of us witnessed the exploitation of U.S. tax dollars by Iraqi officials and military officers.

Sabotage and graft have had a particularly deleterious impact on Iraq's oil industry, which still fails to produce the revenue that Pentagon war planners hoped would pay for Iraq's reconstruction. Yet holding people accountable has proved difficult. The first commissioner of a panel charged with preventing and investigating corruption resigned last month, citing pressure from the government and threats on his life.

Against this backdrop, the U.S. military has been trying in vain to hold the country together. Even with "the surge," we simply do not have enough soldiers and marines to meet the professed goals of clearing areas from insurgent control, holding them securely and building sustainable institutions. Though temporary reinforcing operations in places like Fallujah, An Najaf, Tal Afar, and now Baghdad may brief well on PowerPoint presentations, in practice they just push insurgents to another spot on the map and often strengthen the insurgents' cause by harassing locals to a point of swayed allegiances. Millions of Iraqis correctly recognize these actions for what they are and vote with their feet -- moving within Iraq or leaving the country entirely.

Still, our colonels and generals keep holding on to flawed concepts.
U.S. forces, responsible for too many objectives and too much "battle space," are vulnerable targets.

The sad inevitability of a protracted draw-down is further escalation of attacks -- on U.S. troops, civilian leaders and advisory teams. They would also no doubt get caught in the crossfire of the imminent Iraqi civil war.

Iraqi security forces would not be able to salvage the situation. Even if all the Iraqi military and police were properly trained, equipped and truly committed, their 346,000 personnel would be too few. As it is, Iraqi soldiers quit at will. The police are effectively controlled by militias. And, again, corruption is debilitating. U.S. tax dollars enrich self-serving generals and support the very elements that will battle each other after we're gone.

This is Operation Iraqi Freedom and the reality we experienced. This is what we tried to communicate up the chain of command. This is either what did not get passed on to our civilian leadership or what our civilian leaders chose to ignore. While our generals pursue a strategy dependent on peace breaking out, the Iraqis prepare for their war -- and our servicemen and women, and their families, continue to suffer.

There is one way we might be able to succeed in Iraq. To continue an operation of this intensity and duration, we would have to abandon our volunteer military for compulsory service. Short of that, our best option is to leave Iraq immediately.

A scaled withdrawal will not prevent a civil war, and it will spend more blood and treasure on a losing proposition.
America, it has been five years. It's time to make a choice.

This column was written by 12 former Army captains: Jason Blindauer served in Babil and Baghdad in 2003 and 2005. Elizabeth Bostwick served in Salah Ad Din and An Najaf in 2004. Jeffrey Bouldin served in Al Anbar, Baghdad and Ninevah in 2006. Jason Bugajski served in Diyala in 2004. Anton Kemps served in Babil and Baghdad in 2003 and 2005. Kristy (Luken) McCormick served in Ninevah in 2003. Luis Carlos Montalván served in Anbar, Baghdad and Nineveh in 2003 and 2005. William Murphy served in Babil and Baghdad in 2003 and 2005. Josh Rizzo served in Baghdad in 2006. William "Jamie" Ruehl served in Nineveh in 2004. Gregg Tharp served in Babil and Baghdad in 2003 and 2005. Gary Williams served in Baghdad in 2003.

Posted by: clifwest | October 20, 2007 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Moveon is speaking for many veterans of Iraq and other wars. Many have emailed Moveon, since the pathetic criticism of the Moven expose of the Petraus report. Here is what some of them told Moveon:

I have given a son to this country. My brother, my father, my uncle have all served honorably and bravely. I am a loyal American. I am outraged and sick to death of the tactics this administration uses to try to silence dissent to a war that is unjust, built and maintained on lies, political power, and greed. I was content to let others fight more loudly, but no more.
-Sharyn W., NC
I am a prior soldier who served in Iraq for 13 months, and am now an expecting mom with a husband who is deployed in Baghdad. I don't think I can ever forgive the Bush administration for the lies that tricked America into this war and hurt my family so badly. I am ashamed of those American politicians who would condemn an organization for practicing the Freedom of Speech that so many soldiers have died for.
-Danielle B., OH
As a US Navy veteran and an Iraq war veteran of over a year I want to ask, What has happened to us? What has happened to our voice? Where is this country going with stopping free speech and free press? ... Every time I think of the long nights I had in Anbar remembering what I was fighting for, well here it is....
-Ahmad H., LA
I've had three nephews serve since 2002, one of whom was killed in Anbar Province. I have a fourth nephew at Quantico training. I want this war over before he is deployed and before any more of our soldiers are sacrificed.
-Michele R., NE
Three members of my family are military. Two Marines have served in Iraq and an Army Lt. is deploying in November. If we had all spoken out when the administration used General Powell perhaps we would not be in this mess.
-Carol B., PA
As a Marine I served for many reasons but one of them was to allow people the freedom of speech, whether I agreed with it or not. Wearing a uniform does not mean someone isn't a shill, is spewing propaganda, and downright lies. MoveOn has every right to buy an ad and say what they want about a public figure. This administration has lied to us, deceived us, misled us and when posed with a challenge this is how they respond?
-Keith G., VA

Posted by: clifwest | September 22, 2007 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Newt Gingrich warned Republicans to make a clean break from supporting the corrupt, disgraceful, ineffective Bush administration or face a colossal defeat, in 2008. It appears Congressional Republicans and Presidential campaign frontrunners are listening to their wealthy corporate sponsors, instead of the voters and they will be soundly defeated, in 2008.

They appear to be relying on a Bush veto of electronic balloting reforms, in consideration, by Congress. About 18,000 electronic votes appear to have been deleted, in a Florida Congressional Race, in 2006, where the alleged Republican candidate, Buchannon, "won," by about 100 votes. Massive election fraud appears to have "elected" Bush twice, but many states, including Florida have already enacted verifiable paper ballot trails. Jeb Bush is no longer Governor of Florida.
Charlie Crist, who replaced Jeb Bush has already succeeded in effectively reducing homeowner insurance premiums, funding stem cell research and obtaining the verifiable electronic ballot reforms, which provide verifiable paper ballots. A new wind is already blowing, in Florida.

Bush will almost certainly claim we cannot afford to replace defective electronic balloting equipment, since he has managed to squander about 1.2 trillion dollars, on his endless Iraq war, in an effort to protect the Iraq borders, while he fails to protect the United States borders, from terrorists.

What we can not afford are the disastrous policies of King George Bush, Dick Cheney, their corrupt corporate cronies and war profiteers.

Log on to the Impeachment websites, sign the impeachment petitions, put Impeach Bush bumper stickers on your autos, write your Congressional Representatives, blog for Impeachment and write letters to the editor. We are the silent majority and we need to be seen and heard.

Posted by: clifwest | September 21, 2007 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Moveon is one of the most democratic organizations in the United
States and one of the best hopes for our democratic republic, which is increasingly corrupted by war profiteers and large multinational corporations. Moveon polls members to decide priorities and goals and does not require expensive dues and fees, like the Republican and Democratic Parties.
Moveon extensively uses the internet to educate the public, effectively bypassing more established magazines, newspapers, radio and television, which are increasingly biased toward the businesses and corporations who advertise in them. Moveon may be our best possibility to take back control of our government from the lobbyists and corporations, who are increasingly controlling it, for private gain. George Washington warned us to beware of foreign entanglements and Dwight Eisenhower warned us to beware of the military-industrial complex. Moveon is becoming one of our most effective protections, from both of the dangers, these Presidents warned us about.

Posted by: clifwest | September 19, 2007 6:12 PM | Report abuse


STOP THE VETO - IMPEACH BUSH

Disfavor for Bush Hits Rare Heights
In Modern Era, Only Nixon and Truman Scored Worse, Just Barely

By Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 25, 2007; Page A03

President Bush is a competitive guy. But this is one contest he would rather lose. With 18 months left in office, he is in the running for most unpopular president in the history of modern polling.
Stop the veto - Impeach Bush


The latest Washington Post-ABC News survey shows that 65 percent of Americans disapprove of Bush's job performance, matching his all-time low.

In polls conducted by The Post or Gallup going back to 1938, only twice has a president exceeded that level of public animosity -- Harry S. Truman, who hit 67 percent during the Korean War, and Richard M. Nixon, who hit 66 percent four days before resigning.

The historic depth of Bush's public standing has whipsawed his White House, sapped his clout, drained his advisers, encouraged his enemies and jeopardized his legacy. Around the White House, aides make gallows-humor jokes about how they can alienate their remaining supporters -- at least those aides not heading for the door. Outside the White House, many former aides privately express anger and bitterness at their erstwhile colleagues, Bush and the fate of his presidency.

Bush has been so down for so long that some advisers maintain it no longer bothers them much. It can even, they say, be liberating. Seeking the best interpretation for the president's predicament, they argue that Bush can do what he thinks is right without regard to political cost, pointing to decisions to send more U.S. troops to Iraq and to commute the sentence of I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff.

But the president's unpopularity has left the White House to play mostly defense for the remainder of his term. With his immigration overhaul proposal dead, Bush's principal legislative hopes are to save his No Child Left Behind education program and to fend off attempts to force him to change course in Iraq. The emerging strategy is to play off a Congress that is also deeply unpopular and to look strong by vetoing spending bills.

Posted by: clifwest | September 18, 2007 6:26 PM | Report abuse

IMPEACH CHENEY FOR HIGH CRIMES CHENEY COMMITTED

Fortunately, Alberto Gonzales has resigned, along with Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Meirs and Rove. Their resignations are a good beginning, but inadequate to repair the damage done to our nation, constitution, Bill of Rights and democracy. The Nixon White House collapsed quickly, when Congress began issueing subpoenas and holding hearings. Congress should not fear a backlash from impeachment. Democrats gained the Presidency when they impeached Nixon - Republicans gained the White House when they impeached Clinton.

Impeachment of Cheney and Bush is vital to restoration of the republic. The Bush administration apparently is operating an illegal politically motivated domestic spying program, in violation of the fourth admendment, and Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. President Bush has written over 700 unconstitutional "signing statements."

The Iraqi civil war continues, with no end in sight and Bush continues to veto every bill Congress passes to limit spending for this disastrous military misadventure. Dick Cheney knew invading Iraq would be a mistake, in the 1990's and went on record, explaining why, in this televised interview.
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=2879&id=10983-4283714-qFj.aJ&t=2


Congress has been unable to accomplish anything significant, since Bush vetoes any meaningful laws passed by Congress. The minimum wage increase was passed but was so minimal and obviously inadequate that it is not significant. Nancy Pelosi is wrong - Cheny and Bush must be impeached, if Congress is to accomplish anything significant.

Here is one of many specific high crimes, which was commited by Vice President Cheney:

George Bush and Dick Cheney passed false information to Congress about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction capabilities, to wit, their possession of chemical weapons, biological weapons, and delivery systems. Furthermore, George Bush and Dick Cheney passed false information to Congress by falsely stating that Iraq was an imminent threat to the United States and that military action was therefore necessary. The false statements are detailed, on Dennis Kucinich's website.

Law violated:
18 USC 1001.


Whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of any department or agency of the United States knowingly and willfully falsifies, conceals or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact, or makes any false, fictitious or fraudulent statements or representations, or makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any false, fictitious or fraudulent statement or entry, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

Eighteen Representatives have now cosponsored H Res 333, Articles of Impeachment for Dick Cheney. Even a poll paid for by Republicans found a majority favored Impeachment of Cheney. Adequate evidence of high crimes and misdeameanors already exists and more will emerge, with investigations.

I do not believe 34 Republican Senators would be willing to risk their seats, by opposing a Cheney conviction in the Senate. Twenty two Republican Senators are up for relection, in 2008. Republican Congressmen persuaded Gonzales to resign, before he was impeached. Republicans will force Cheney to resign, to avoid repeated coverage of Congressional investigations of Cheney's crimes and probable political advertisements, emphasizing Cheney's crimes.

If Cheney is not removed before the Democratic and Republican National Conventions, next August, both parties will be targeted with daily Impeachment demonstrations. Republicans will want to avoid this and prevent losing even more Senators. Loss of 22 Senators, supporting Dick Cheney would be disastrous to the Republicans, in 2008, with a Democratic president, Democratic House of Representatives and Democratic Senate.

It is time to circulate Resolutions for Impeachment petitions locally, at the city, county and state level, to help our cowardly Congress find courage to perform their constitutional duty.

The founding fathers pledged their lives, fortunes and sacred honor, with a firm reliance on divine providence, to establish this republic. When will the House of Representatives take an effective stand against the culture of corruption, in the Republican administration, by passing Articles of Impeachment?

Posted by: clifwest | September 17, 2007 11:38 PM | Report abuse

when most of MSM content is an AD, we spend all this time futzing about a paid AD by an organization that tells more truth with one AD than the MSM could even recognize in all it's fact-checked writing?

admittedly, i just check WaPo headlines, since there isn't "news" there anymore, therefore if read, there is no belief. It is just another AD for the war effort, after all. don't even factor in Faux Noose, that's a travesty.

posting is the only fun to be had on MSM boards. mcclatchey and mining the net for some reality is the only way to fact check for me.

Posted by: jett1 | September 15, 2007 2:07 PM | Report abuse


It has now become accepted knowledge, if we pull out of Iraq there will be chaos. The truth is things would imporve dramatically if we leave. The Iraqis hate our occupation of their country and so do their Muslim neighbors.
The president, congress, and the generals have forgotten who runs this country. The last time I checked we were a democracy and fully seventy percent of the American people want this war to end NOW.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for
such time as the State can shield the people from the political,
economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes
vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress
dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by
extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
Joseph Goebbels, Propaganda Minister, Third Reich


Posted by: timechange28 | September 15, 2007 6:51 AM | Report abuse

Thanks Move ON!! Betray us is another Bush poodle trying to lie to us,
about how things are better in Iraq now. What a liar! The BBC and 2 other
European surveys show it has gotten worse, by people in Iraq! If you
believe in a lying adminstration again and again, then you are have
either suspended your judgement or wallow in ignorance.

Posted by: v_pathma | September 15, 2007 4:34 AM | Report abuse

For those who missed it! One of the best analyses of General Betray Us was done by the Daily Show with Jon Stewart. They presented video of Betray Us at the hearing followed by a past video of Bush - speaking on three major points, the words they used were almost identical. Either Betray Us is listening very closely to his commander-in-chief and staying the course or they are both using the same speech writer! Sorry I don't have a link; it aired Wednesday 9/12/07.

Posted by: rramirez | September 14, 2007 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Finally, at last, a truly patriotic voice for Americans. Just as the corporate and Republican goose stepping powers thought they had succeeded in locking up the country for their own pocket books.

Not a minute too soon MoveOn - keep up the good work. You've shown me hope that the American dream isn't totally dead.

Posted by: WP11231 | September 14, 2007 3:34 PM | Report abuse

All I can say after ready all the comments
about the MoveOn.Org ad is that there are
a lot of people out there that are following a man, George Soros, who has sold
them on his political agenda!! Do you know
or care that he was kicked out of England
for causing problems with their financial
markets and politics?? Now he is trying to
do the same thing in the U.S. with you idiots that are carrying the water for him!! It is frightening that someone with
a lot of money can come here and buy politicians and the public with their money
while their trying to influence our politics with their own agenda!!
Wake up and look into who you think you
are following, he does not have our country's best interest at heart!! You
have all been duped!!
This is not Bush's war. He was given
congresses approval to go to war in Iraq
and there were Democrats who voted for it.
The U.N. also backed it. Saddam signed an
agreement after Desert Storm which he had no intention of keeping. He violated that
agreement for ten years which made it null and void! We could have taken him out then
during Desert Storm but we had him sign the
agreement instead!
There are way too many people with too many
opinions trying to run this war and our enemies are watching all this closely like
opportunists!! We have become our own worst enemies and I think this will be our downfall.

Posted by: SCSOCAL | September 13, 2007 11:07 PM | Report abuse

It's funny. I've read several stories on the moveon ad in the top papers in the country and not one journalist has taken the time to analyze the claims in the ad. It's the same he said/she said journalism that leaves the audience uniformed.

Posted by: townsend94 | September 13, 2007 10:55 PM | Report abuse

I didn't hear Sen Cornyn complain about the Swift Boat ads. Typical hypocrite Repub.

Posted by: caesarganz | September 13, 2007 7:49 PM | Report abuse

All I can say is that I feel that my 50 dollars sent to help with the MoveOn ad was well spent. WAKE UP, AMERICA! It is only RETIRED Generals who will disagree publically with Bush. And they are doing so in droves. The "die-in" in Washing D.C. on September 15th should be very interesting. It is being led by Iraq war vets who disagree with our current policy (and are still alive to say so.)

Posted by: sheridan1 | September 13, 2007 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I hope this is still a free country where we can speak out our opinions. For the last 7 years anyone who spoke against the war or Bush has been labeled a traitor or liar or something awful. Only GOPs, pro Zionists or some other form of America and Israel should decide what forms of government should exist in all the countries of the world, many of whom were stuffing billions in war profits in their pockets. Please allow the freedom to have opinions and countries to determine their own destinies. When one country interferes with other counries internal affairs, maybe something should be done, but not always by the US. If you want a better world, desolve the UN security council and replace it where the select few cannot veto something unilaterally.

Posted by: lowell_001 | September 13, 2007 7:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm a proud member of MoveOn. This organization recognized the mendacity of the Bushies from the beginning and after organizing an antiwar rally in February 2003, it grew to millions of members, all dedicated to bring an end to the bellicose posturings of the Bush warmongers. MoveOn will not be intimidated by the corrupt Republican politicians not it will abide by the pleadings of the cowardly Democrats.
Long live MoveOn!

Posted by: cafrimo | September 13, 2007 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Anybody who watched the swiftboat cowards smear Kerry and the Republican draft dodgers trash veterans like Max Cleland and John Murtha should put their hypocritical outrage where the sun don't shine...these guys were happy to dish it out but you see how chickensh!t they are when the shoe's on the other foot...keep it coming MoveOn.org...give those punks a taste of their own bile...

Posted by: Jerryvov | September 13, 2007 6:51 PM | Report abuse

The Bush strategy is as clear as it ever was:

Smear and Fear to support their strategy of Lyin' and Dyin'.

Anybody who opposes their slaughter of innocents and enslavement of the (illegal alien especially) masses is branded as 'helping al qaeda'. It is all a ruse. A huge Orwellian ruse.

Posted by: Heerman532 | September 13, 2007 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Way to go Moveon. Democrats have a good chance at taking back the white house in 2008 but with your greediness they may be on the same side of the electoral college as they were in 2000 and 2004.

Posted by: thegribbler1 | September 13, 2007 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Carry on, MoveOn! Petraeus and Crocker are agents of the White House, and doing its bidding. They are fair game for criticism and witty remarks about their names. Generals have been coming forth with all kinds of politcal opinions. If they cannot stand the heat of political dialogue, then stop being lackeys of this corrupt regime. MoveOn is a great contrast to the spineless congressional Democrats.

Munir

Posted by: Munir1 | September 13, 2007 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Nothing dishonors the troops than bringing their corpses home in the dead of the night! Where was the outrage when heroes like Murtha, and Kerry were smeared? The dems have nothing to apologize for in the MoveOn ad. Petreaus has been used as a political ploy, and the Commander guy hides behind the general's medals. I thought our military takes orders from civilian leadership.

Posted by: abiodunaodeleye | September 13, 2007 4:22 PM | Report abuse

One more thing, I'm sick and tired of the spineless Democrats all too eager to eat their own. They lack the intestinal fortitude to stand up to a reckless, feckless President and his party. This Bush administration marched us into dangerous, misguided war never missing an opportunity to politicize the military. Both Bush and Petreasus are locked into a "Folie a Deux", and their shared delusion, despite abundant information to the contrary, will cost more American and Iraqi lives.

Read Jane Hamsher's support of Moveon.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/in-defense-of-moveon-n_b_64234.html

Posted by: jerseymissouri | September 13, 2007 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Are these Republicans who want MoveOn denounced the same guys who slandered war hero and double amputee Senator Max Cleland in their cynical move to add one more Republican to the Senate? Those guys? Just who in the world are THEY to complain about political attacks?

Posted by: ancient_mariner | September 13, 2007 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I guess only Republicans have first amendment rights. Why else would they demand censure of individuals and organizations that don't agree with their point of view? Gen. Patreasus got what he deserved, he sided with the Republican politicians over the military chain of command.

CentCom Chief Fallon: Petraeus Is 'An A$$-Kissing, Little Chickensh*t,' 'I Hate People Like That'

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/09/12/webb-fallon/

Posted by: jerseymissouri | September 13, 2007 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Awe! What's the matter Sen. John Cornyn?
I thought you just loved preemptive strikes and band aids with purple hearts on them. No?
Incredibly hypocritical to be "outraged" over attacks on military men, when you turned a blind eye in 2004, don't you think Senator Cornyn? Suck it up!

Posted by: Soldiers_Mom | September 13, 2007 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Thank you MoveOn.org for your bile filled words of hate and destruction. They encourage more and more RIGHT thinking people to stand up and be heard. Continue to collect your George Soros blood money, just like the rest of the corrupt members of your beloved Democratic Party. You can yell and scream all you want, but there isn't any politician out there with the stones to stand up for you... only the sound of silence at the mention of your name. You are the worst kind of fowl being, the one that feeds on the weakness and fears of the ignorant... and you have managed to drag a few good Democrats down the drain with you. It is time for you to MOVE ON!

I wonder how much Norman Hsu money is on your hands too? Too much, I'm sure.

Posted by: dennispro | September 13, 2007 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, the more in-synch the Democrats are with Moveon, the less I have in common with the party with which I have been affiliated for 27 years.

Guess it's time for me to move on and be one of those independents on whom the Dems can't rely to push the "D" button in every local, state, and national election.

Alas, the Dems will once again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Posted by: CntrvilleCitoyen | September 13, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Move On! I will continue to support you. You are truely "moving" things towards peace. We must all be as brave as this organization! Enough America, enough.

Posted by: loricardille | September 13, 2007 1:43 PM | Report abuse

This is a beautiful counterpoint to the GOPs Swiftboat campaign against Senator John Kerry. I don't recall and GOPers denouncing that smear attack. In fact, most of them were smirking gleefully.

Posted by: fdawei | September 13, 2007 1:32 PM | Report abuse

MoveOn made me sign up. someone's got to tell the truth here. our own country has sunk into fascism and if MoveOn doesn't exist, we're goose-stepping, keep it UP, and MOVE ON!

Posted by: jett1 | September 13, 2007 1:20 PM | Report abuse

I hope Moveon say more, of the truth. About time if not to late to awaken the people of this country by someone with some guts to speak the truth about this adminstation, and its president.

Posted by: Hudcrissy | September 13, 2007 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I loved Eli on CNN yesterday a.m. saying the reason moveon.org is doing the ads is cause the media is and hasn't done their job. He was cool and to the point.
He said we are just doing what our membership wants us to do. So keep up the good work , moveon.org. I am with ya all the way.
The rethugs suck. big time.

Posted by: lgb2931 | September 13, 2007 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Email your republican member of congress.
Here's a link with a map. Just click on your state and it will list all of your reps with their email addresses.
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
TELL ALL REPUBLICANS - there is a way to leave Iraq and not leave chaos behind. (See Obama plan) We have to get out NOW! Even if they are for the war, the military is exhausted. There are no more troops to be had. You can't give what you don't have.

Posted by: mageduley | September 13, 2007 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Yes MoveOn.org please continue.
Your stench is starting to reach everyone.
"We'll keep the light on for you" if you promise to keep it up!

Posted by: CM1515 | September 13, 2007 10:29 AM | Report abuse

What for conservatives and any sensible American is the war on terror, has become for the left and many Democrats a war on the personal reputation and integrity of any one who believes we are in a war. If you believe in or fight for anything that the President or conservatives believe, you are the enemy to be destroyed every way except physically. Some on the left even call for that. What a nation we are becoming.

Posted by: jcvitucci | September 13, 2007 10:28 AM | Report abuse

You gotta love repuglicans. Why in the world would Dems denounce Move on's ad? While the wording of the ad may be more powerful than the dems of congress could possibly use themselves - the meaning of the ad was evident. Dems agree with move on. They grilled Gen Pet on the very same cherry picked information that move on had identified.

Attention Democrats: Don't call and gripe to your democratic representative, there is only so much they can do with their slim majority. CALL YOUR REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN!!!! It is not the Dems we have to convince. That's just preaching to the choir. Congress wants to do what their constituents want! Flood the your republican's offices with your concerns! If they get enough of them...they will listen. I say again...if you want to get out of this war. CONTACT YOUR REPUBLICAN SENATORS and REPRESENTATIVES!!!!! Tell everyone you know to call them too.

A friend from the EU once told me "Its funny you Americans call yourself a democracy. Here, the government is afraid of the people. We will speak out loudly for what we want. They do what we want. You American's are afraid of your own government"

Sad but true. What ever happened to "We the people"?

Posted by: mageduley | September 13, 2007 10:26 AM | Report abuse

my fellow republicans HAVE YOU NO SHAME IN IRAQ WHERE THE BLISTERING HEAT FROM DESERT WINDS BLOWTHE ROWS OF CROSSES GROW AND GROW THE CASKETS COME HOME IN THE DEAD OF NIGHT OUT OF SIGHTMY FELLOW REPUBLICANS HAVE YOU NO SHAME WHOS GETTING RICH ANHD WHOS DYING????
WHOS CRYING??THE MOTHERS THE FATHERS THE WIVES THE CHILDREN AND THE BROKEN BODIES AND MINDS AT WALTER REED
I HEARD OF ONE GUY IN THE OIL BUSINESS WHOS FEELING NO PAIN HE CAME HOME WITH 400 HUNDRED MILLION AND THAT SOME HELLAVA CAPITOL GAIN

Posted by: bernybell | September 13, 2007 7:31 AM | Report abuse

I second Teddy - Go MoveOn - Americans should fund a MoveOn account so it can place a NYT ad every week until the Iraq War debacle is ended.

Congress has no shame and a lot of chutzpah to criticize MoveOn for disrespect - what greater disrespect than for Congress to ignore the American people's will and demand that the Iraq War debacle end, NOW!

Posted by: daphiner | September 13, 2007 6:32 AM | Report abuse

After the wretched performance by Bush's Park Police, whose horseback charge on Sept. 7 of a tiny contingent of impeachment supporters and press in front of the White House, the comment of John McCain that all democratic presidential candidates should denounce Move.on's attack on Gen. Petraeus is just ludicrous. What is the connection? The connection is the lockstep attempt to deny free speech to anyone critical of the Iraq war, of Congress's cowardly supine inability to deal with the encroaching military dictatorship orchestrated by the White House, and most tellingly, anyone's testing of the basic credibility of high-ranking military officers. Republicans evidently believe that militarism is a religion and criticism of it is anathema. Even speaker Pelosi has gone all smarmy on these issues. Religiously speaking, if we must, America has apparently lost its soul to fear of terrorism.

Posted by: peter_clk | September 13, 2007 1:40 AM | Report abuse

Go MoveOn !

More, please.

Posted by: TeddySanFran | September 12, 2007 11:03 PM | Report abuse

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