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Small Snag in Kucinich's Impeachment Quest

On Capitol Hill this afternoon, a vote on the motion to table Democratic presidential candidate Rep. Dennis Kucinich's privileged resolution on the impeachment of Vice President Richard B. Cheney stretched well beyond the 15 minutes it would normally take, with over an hour of debate on the issue.

It was a lengthy discussion that Kucinich fans and foes off the Hill were unable to have themselves, as a planned conference call on the subject hit its own snags. A scheduled call to discuss the impeachment of Vice President Cheney was put off due to "technical problems stemming largely from the overwhelming volume of calls from interested citizens," according to the Kucinich campaign Web site.

The Kucinich camp explained that it had "significantly underestimated the number of call-ins" and that interest in talking about impeachment simply exceeded "technological capacity."

The call is set to be rescheduled shortly.

House Democrats, meanwhile, eager to avoid block Republican attempts to goad them into a full-blown floor debate on the measure, are currently working to refer it to committee.

--Rachel Dry

By Washington Post editors  |  November 6, 2007; 4:25 PM ET
 
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Reedbetweenthelines comments above compares Cliton to Cheney and asks: "Let's examine Cheney. He is being charged with...what?" and then makes no real objective comparison. Cheney and Bush manufactured the need to go to war in Iraq, costing us Billions and killing over 1 Million Iraqis. Reedbetweenthelines, are you blind? Clinton's lie cost us far less and could really have been called a Witch hunt if compared to Bush and Cheney's lies.

If you are confused about why HR333 was passed and why there will be further proceedings on the matter go to Kucinich's web site: http://kucinich.house.gov/SpotlightIssues/documents.htm.

Posted by: timcusick72 | December 3, 2007 3:43 PM | Report abuse

An independent perspective:

Bush, Cheney, and everyone that continues to support their agenda are shameful examples of the worst America has to offer.

Friends, neighbors, countrymen... ask yourself: Whose interests do they represent?

Posted by: nunuva.yerbizness | November 27, 2007 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Or maybe we should wait til next year when the Bush/Cheney crime family launches a nuclear attack on Annandale, NJ in the name of Iran. Then we can enjoy martial law and a permanant dictatorship for Bush/Cheney.
Step in the truth.

Posted by: dickinsong | November 12, 2007 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Please support Dennis for president.
Please impeach Bush and Cheny and also send them and all their cronies to Iraq to be prosecuted under Iraq law for mass murder.

Posted by: dickinsong | November 12, 2007 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Impeach Him for what?

Posted by: ldjons | November 12, 2007 5:09 PM | Report abuse

The issue of impeachment is a serious one. It usually involves high crimes and misdemeanors. It should not be used because we don't necessarily agree with a political party. (We have elections every four years for that purpose.)

Let's analyze the Clinton impeachment, and the proposed Cheney impeachment.

Clinton was accused of rape, sexual assault, and perjury.

That was not grounds for impeachment.

However, he actively prevented the victims from seeking redress through the courts. When confronted with this, he committed perjury in front of a grand jury.

That is grounds for impeachment.

You see, every person is equal under the law. To use the force of law to prevent victims from even being heard is oppressively totalitarian. (To intimidate, threaten, and assault them into silence goes beyond Stalinesque tactics. But that is the Clinton legacy, enabling sexual predators to terrorize women.)

Let's examine Cheney. He is being charged with...what?

That he obeyed the orders of his President? That he faithfully and vigorously defended the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic?

If we were going to prosecute people for having the integrity to protecting the union even if it was unpopular, then our nation has fallen to the level of a Kucinich.

Thomas Jefferson once had a newspaper on prominent display in his office while he was President. When one of his visitors viewed it, he was shocked to discover that it contained the most salacious, libelous, and blatant lies in attacking the character of any man, let alone Jefferson. When Thomas Jefferson was asked why he had such a thing on display, he answered with a smile.

"So that no one will doubt me when I defend the freedom of the press and supporting people with ideas that are different than my own."

You see, our founding intellectual father of our country strongly supported the belief that, "I might not agree with your opinion, but I will defend your right to have it, to the death."

What happened to intellectual honesty? If Kucinich has a charge, let him make it, rather than assuming that the charges must be true, just because he has made them.

Our country is founded on the theory that we are a disparate and contentious bunch of hooligans that will ALWAYS disagree with each other...but our patriotism places our individual differences beneath our vows to our nation.

Let's examine the truth, and not believe the Kucinich. (Used as in, "When you walk through a cow pasture, don't step in the Kucinich.")

Posted by: reedbetweenthelines | November 12, 2007 12:44 PM | Report abuse

The only thing about Dick Cheney prompting an impeachment attempt by Socialists is the fact he isn't a Socialist. Kucinich bumper stickers are on all the electric scooters here. Most are on welfare, have lost their drivers licenses because they are probation or parole, and a scooter is better than walking. A ten here is a 5 with a car and a job. Kucinich is their hero, and yours too it appears.

Posted by: bethanybay7 | November 12, 2007 12:29 PM | Report abuse

DK is an idiotic lap dog for former communists who are afraid to admit what they really are at heart.

Posted by: skwoltz | November 12, 2007 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Kucinich and the crazies that make up the Democrat Party base have been playing with and stiring their Kool-Aid for a long time. The Republicans have just dared them to drink it in front of the whole country. I want to watch!!

Posted by: welgeauto | November 12, 2007 1:32 AM | Report abuse

We are in a world filled with evil.
It is amazing how many of you nuts simply refuse to recognize that fact.
The United States of America fights the good fight.
Our enemy's goal is to consume and convert our nation, to leave behind a world of slaves to their religion.
Your mothers, sisters and daughters will be mutilated and relegated to a life of ignorance and home imprisonment. You fathers, brothers, and sons will deal with the threat of being hung or beheaded for simply wearing the wrong clothes or having the wrong hair cut.
Rep. Dennis Kucinich and all the freaks that support him out there just strengthen the evil that creeps towards us.
I wish I had the writing skills to properly express my disdain for all of you liberals, internationalist, apologists, and out right traitors to you home and nation.
The evil is out there, and it is not the president.

Posted by: mortensonrd | November 11, 2007 10:55 AM | Report abuse

I will believe Democrat complaints of this administration's secrecy when Hillary Clinton releases her White House records held in the Clinton Library. Prior to the election would be good. Also it would be helpful to get the papers back that Sandy Berger stole from the National Archives IN HIS PANTS. What are in those papers? Secrets??? The Clintons are no longer in office and will not release their records so why should current office holders ENTITLED by the constitution to EXECUTIVE PRIVILIGE release every little bit of info that partisans in the Congress demand. And if we are talking about the Administration's low polling numbers let us not forget that the approval numbers for Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid's Congress are EVEN LOWER. An actual ALL TIME low. So really should we impeach Pelosi and Reid because they are unpopular? Should Hillary be allowed to even run for President without releasing her former records? I do not hear any of this from the Impeach Cheney and Impeach Bush crowd. Which administration is the Secretive one? They were talking about this prior to the last election and Bush still won so I truly doubt Impeachment is what the American electorate wants. And don't give me the people are too uninformed to understand, that old chestnut is pulled out when the public does not agree with the Liberal idea of what is the 'correct' answer. Give it a rest people!

Posted by: bpdmburton | November 11, 2007 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Rep. Dennis Kucinich is engaging in pure pipe dream pie in the sky. Just like all of the pointless hearings (read fishing expeditions) that Rep. John Conyers has launched, I find it nothing but fodder for all of the barking moonbats that seem to inhabit the Democrat party these days. It's a shame and a waste of time and money.

Posted by: everett.l.lunday | November 10, 2007 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Hello to all of you in liberal la-la land. Please stay there with Kucinich looking at UFO's and the GOP will continue to win. Thanks for your support of the Grand Ole Party. By the way Clinton didn't get impeached for having sex in the Oval Office. He got impeached because he lied under oath.

Posted by: montaltob | November 10, 2007 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Former Senator Fred Thompson is the only candidate that gets it. He makes decisions based on principles. Principles don't change. You have to stand for something and not change who you are based on the polls. That is what Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani have done and all of the Democrats do it. Give me a leader that will stand by his principles anyday versus someone that stands for everything.

I know many Republicans and conservatives that will stay home if Rudy Giuliani is the candidate. He does not represent our values as conservatives, and never will. Millionaire Mitt Romney is a Republican-in-name-only (RINO ) that simply has everything else and nothing to do. "I guess I'll just try to buy the presidency". The White House isn't for sale! Conservatives will simply stay home and the Democrats will pick up additional seats in the House and probably get the 60 seats in the Senate they need to completely destroy our Country. Nice picture huh?

However, I think Fred can bring America back together, if that's even possible. America needs a rebirth of patriotism and honor. Republicans also need a rebirth. President Reagan was our last rebirth and he can never be duplicated. Fred Thompson will bring his own down-to-earth common sense to this country. If a conservative runs as a conservative, he will win!

Think of it this way: Eight years of another Clinton White House? Now if that is not a sufficient enough reason to pull together as a nation, and fight this socialist liberal takeover of our government, what is?

Folks, we are in for the fight of our lives, just as our young men and women are fighting for our freedoms in Iraq and Afghanistan, we must fight for our nation right here and now! I truly believe Fred Thompson is the one man who can pull this nation back together! Rudy Giuliani will just tear us apart.

Posted by: fkpaxson | November 10, 2007 7:01 AM | Report abuse

It's funny how the lib's forget history-Clinton was (is) a pathologic liar who molested women and more importantly, the presidency. It was him who push his corrupt administration to lie and withhold information during Ken Starr's investigation. The lib's also are so full of BDS (Bush derangement syndrome) that they cannot see their own comical attempts to attack him. Face it, we are a capitalistic society and always will be. If you are a socialist (ie Lib), move to Canada, France, etc. and free us of your stupid ideas that are destroying this great country.

Posted by: rickroen | November 9, 2007 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and can he get me a deal ona few cases of QUISP, the energy cereal from outer space? I hear he's all plak-tow with the main distributor.

Word up!

Posted by: notyourbusiness2 | November 9, 2007 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Kucinich the guy that brought a visual display to show on the air during a radio interview? And talks to little green men?
What America really wants to know is whether or not he can get me the email address for that blue chick from Jabba the Hutt's palace. She's cute!

Posted by: notyourbusiness2 | November 9, 2007 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Why is Kucinich unelectable? Because he's short? He represents the values that almost all Dems say they want.

Truth is, most Democrats are quite a bit further to the left than the Democratic party. We hate Cheney with a passion, he is a liar and war criminal, and yet we are going to leave him in office to do more damage? What nonsense.

Impeach Cheney, and ask him some pointed questions, under oath, about 9/11. He is guilty of treason, he should hang.

Posted by: swampthing2 | November 8, 2007 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Kucinich is a hero for standing up to that fascist criminal. Regardless of the Democrats' pathetic, cynical "leadership", at least it is now in the permanent historical records that at least one Congressman stood up to the evil that has transformed our America into a hollow shell of noble principles for which it once stood.

Posted by: dlikar | November 7, 2007 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The effort is admirable, but it seems a bit too late.

Do you believe Presidential Candidate Dennis Kucinich's efforts to force a debate on impeaching Vice President Dick Cheney self serving?
--> http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=900

Posted by: PollM | November 7, 2007 7:37 AM | Report abuse

The House ended up doing the right thing in delaying the Cheney impeachment until after we get the spending bills worked out. Nobody wants a government shutdown. The Republicans' juvenile attempt to debate the issue on the house floor could have backfired terribly. Have they seen Cheney's polling numbers?!?! This debate would have been gold for the Democrats - especially if Republicans took the hit for neglecting the spending bills.

Of course being down in the polls wouldn't justify impeaching somebody, but if Cheney lied about intelligence that got us into this poorly-managed war, he should be impeached, and impeaching Cheney first is the right order to proceed.

Posted by: edhere | November 6, 2007 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Lblair's comments above (5:45 pm) deserve to be corrected as follows:

[Cheney]ostensibly believes all the [right-wing, fascist] horseplop he can spew.

That is a sad commentary on the intellectual quality of our [Vice President] and the [President he managed] to provide.

It looks like it [has been] more a case of "put up or shut up" when it [comes] down to actually arguing the "facts".

Repeating a lie ad nauseum does not make it true.

[We Don't Torture. No Child Left Behind. We're Fighting Terrorism] etc, etc.

Mental illness has now taken on a new manifestation called [totalitarianism]."

In the interest of brevity I'll spare you the proofreading that was necessary to create these modifications.

Posted by: fltnsplr | November 6, 2007 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to those two - over 800,000 Iraqi people (including tens of thousands of little children) have been killed, and over a million crippled for life.

Impeachment of both Bush and Cheney would be the wisest way to fight terrorism. Because of all the needless bloodshed, and because an estimated 800 Iraqi doors get busted down by u.s. forces every night, they have countless reasons to hate us.

We need to impeach (and imprison) those two war criminals, apologize to the Iraqi people, find a way to make it right, and also fight a way to make sure that such a horrible thing is never repeated.

Shame on the oligarchy! Their days in power are numbered.

Posted by: jr_oneill | November 6, 2007 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Impeachment is the Constitutional imperative, and anyone who cannot see it comes from the same Bushian wrong-side-of-the-tracks. Only 24% of Americans currently support this administration, yet they still bully their way as if they have a distinct majority. Meanwhile, the media portray the true majority's outrage and opposition to this president as if we are lunatic fringe. Have you read George Orwell lately? From "1984":

"In accordance to the principles of Doublethink, it does not matter if the war is not real, or when it is, that victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won. It is meant to be continuous. The essential act of modern warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labor. A hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. In principle, the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects. And its object is not victory over Eurasia or Eastasia, but to keep the very structure of society intact. Are you awake? There is truth, and there is untruth. To be in a minority of one doesn't make you mad."

Impeach Cheney/Bush now. They are whom prophet Orwell warned us about. Anything short of impeachment signals that our long national nightmare has only just begun.

Posted by: QUONDAMVIA1 | November 6, 2007 7:54 PM | Report abuse

There will be no impeachment because Amerika is already a fascist state. Democrats will do nothing to move for impeachment because they, along with the Republicans, are complicit in the enslavement of this nation's people to our corporate rulers.

Wake up people. America R.I.P.

Posted by: gryphondanu | November 6, 2007 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Kucinich stands alone in a senate that is owned by special interest groups and corporations. He is a national hero that the media will minimize and ignore only to be replaced by the next sports story, car crash or drunken pop star. Vote while you still can.

Posted by: cohnsloans | November 6, 2007 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Kucinich is the only presidential candidate with the strength and conviction to stand up and defend our Constitution with action, not hollow rhetoric. Dennis Kucinich is a true American hero of the kind we desperately need in this country today! We are not living in normal times, these are times of crisis. We don't have time to waste on political posturing like every other candidate and most of congress - it's time for action, and Dennis is ready to take action and save our great nation. He is the only candidate that my conscience will allow me to support.

Posted by: rldipaolo | November 6, 2007 6:58 PM | Report abuse

If we do not impeach this administration; not only will we loose any moral standing in the world the next administration will continue to pass laws that impead our rights as citizens.
Since money is the only power that politicians understand it would be great to send some to Kuncinich even if its a small amount, to show support for his effort to improve USA standing in the world against a lawless administration and almost useless Congress and Senate.
beene

Posted by: jimmiewb | November 6, 2007 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Democrats promised to END THE WAR IN IRAQ.
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Instead Democrats FUND THE WAR IN IRAQ and play stupid games.
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OUR CHILDREN'S BLOOD IN ON YOUR HANDS!
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Posted by: computer1 | November 6, 2007 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Bravo to Dennis Kucinich, a rare politican who will stand up and do what the people want. Cheney, the man who was most responsible for gaming the intelligence on the Iraq War, and for pushing torture against all treaties and laws, should have been impeached years ago now.

Posted by: jeffkaye | November 6, 2007 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I just can't get past that Clinton can be impeached for sex in the closet but investigating Cheney would be heresy.

Posted by: zurn | November 6, 2007 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I think Kucinich is to be lauded for his authenticity and humanity that are represented in this and his platform in general. I fear that the attitude represented in "duerhome's" comment, dropping to ad hominem assaults on Kucinich, is exactly the a-factual approach that has us falling from factual considerations into emotional reactions.

I would challenge any (as I just challenged myself) to read his responses in the washingtonpost.com Q&A's they have been doing with the candidates--in a word, it is substantive, in a few more it's humane and compassionate and a lot more, check it out--http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/10/05/DI2007100502319.html

What he represents would be massive changes for the US, but as you consider them you may realize like I feel I did, that change is good when it's changing from the oft-overlooked issues that are bringing so many to question how much of any "dream" is actually being met in full by avg. Americans.

Posted by: bhoconnor | November 6, 2007 6:08 PM | Report abuse

The only way this administration's stranglehold on truth and justice will ever be broken is if impeachment hearing are held. This administration has broken our government, our constitution, our economy, our military, our world standing, our future, and handed out hundreds of billions of dollars to their buddies and elite while letting its citizenry hold the bag. And even though Kucinich is "Not Electable" I voiced my support for his willingness to stand up and speak truth for the constitution and its people, by sending his campaign a check for $50.00. Maybe it is not much but it is more than I can really afford at this time. And I would urge anyone else to do the same, because I believe that we as a nation need to hear more straight truth instead of the triangulated, obfuscated platitudes of the other corporate sponsored candidates, i.e. clinton, obama, biden, etc.

Posted by: foundinaloha | November 6, 2007 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Impeachment of Cheney is a no-brainer--our ancesters demand it and future Americans will ask why we didn't. The bigger concern is how complacent and indifferent over 40% of American's have become to dishonest, secretive, deceptive practices by current leaders.

The waste of money, lives and US reputation is beyond belief. If we don't re-establish a standard of behaviour for our nation's highest office, the US is doomed to more dishonesty,trouble, chaos and a downward spiral for decades to come. IT is unbelievable any American would hestitate to pursue this very correct course of action.

Posted by: jnpr77 | November 6, 2007 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Kucinich,ostensibly believes all the Marxist, leftist horseplop he can spew. That is a sad commentary on the intellectual quality of our congress and the Presidential candidates it manages to provide.
It looks like it was more a case of "put up or shut up" when it came down to actually arguing the "facts".
Repeating a lie ad-nauseum does not make it true. Stalin's worker's paradise. Hitler's master race etc, etc.
Mental illness has a now taken on a new manifestation called liberalism.

Posted by: lblair | November 6, 2007 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Sure. And we'll know the truth when we hear it because it will agree with our preconceived notions. Right.

Posted by: duerhome | November 6, 2007 5:36 PM | Report abuse

What a waste of time and taxpayer dollars. The whole Congress should be impeached!

Posted by: tagoffie | November 6, 2007 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Kucinich is like the Chinese kid standing up against the tank in Tiananmen Square --- but this tank of repression is driven by both the phony two-party Republicans and Democrats committed to maintaining the global corporate Empire behind this facade of 'Vichy America'.

The question now will be whether the media powers in that 'Vichy America' also continue to oppress and repress the growing outrage of average American people to see their government restored to the real democracy against Empire that our founding fathers envisioned and died for --- or whether the media will also rebel against this stacked-deck of Empire and report the real truth to the American people.

Posted by: macturna1 | November 6, 2007 5:28 PM | Report abuse

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