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A History Lesson With Dr. Paul


Rep. Ron Paul and Sen. John McCain at last week's Republican debate. (Getty).

CONCORD, N.H. -- One of the many quirks of Ron Paul's unexpectedly vigorous campaign for the Republican presidential nomination has been that he has been able to generate such a fervent following despite a campaign manner that verges on the grandfatherly. But in a brief interview in New Hampshire a few days ago, Paul showed that he is capable of delivering a barbed line or two, albeit wrapped in a kindly septuagenarian smile.

Asked what he made of John McCain's comments at last week's GOP debate comparing Paul's opposition to the war in Iraq to the appeasement of Hitler in the 1930s, Paul let loose, saying that McCain was "confused historically."

"People in the 1930s who didn't want war didn't cause World War II. I think Hitler caused the war, not the Americans who argued for a pro-American foreign policy," he said.

"I don't think [McCain] understands the difference between isolationism and non-intervention. How can he condemn it if the Founders believed in it? George Washington, Jefferson, this was their strong advice."

Paul concluded with this zinger, saying with a smile and a shrug that he was "not too surprised" by McCain's invocation of Hitler: "I think he's angry and emotional. I think he sees his campaign coming to an end and is sort of striking out."

On another subject, Paul defended the small Indiana outfit that produces "Liberty Dollars," an alternative currency backed by gold and silver and marketed to skeptics who fear that the U.S. monetary system is on the verge of collapse. The outfit, which is also selling "Ron Paul Dollars" to honor the candidate, was raided last month by federal authorities. Paul said he did not know the group's founder and leader, Bernard von NotHaus, but said he saw nothing wrong with the group's use of Paul's name to market its medallions.

"My position on money is that I don't like the fiat. I want to get rid of it but I don't want to get rid of it overnight," he said. "I want a competing currency. I want to legalize the Constitution, use gold and silver tender and let people have a choice. But what do we do? We arrest the guy and steal his money. It's an interesting subject. I don't even know the guy so I don't know any of the legal aspects of it, but he's certainly invited to use my image and my name on his coin."

--Alec MacGillis

By Washington Post editors  |  December 6, 2007; 4:05 PM ET
 
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end the taxing stealing terrorist government here in the USA! VOte for RON PAUL! ITS OUR ONLY HOPE TO SAVE OURSELVES FROM THIS MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX TERRORIST GOVERNMENT!

Posted by: mickrussom | December 11, 2007 3:18 AM | Report abuse

Do you want to own your self instead of the Government owning you? Well if you do then you need to vote for Ron Paul. Do you want to retain the priveledge of free speach? Well if you do then you need to vote for Ron Paul. Do you want the UN telling you what you can and can't do? Well if you don't then you need to vote for Ron Paul. Do you want continuous war. Well if you don't then you need to vote for Ron Paul. He is the only one out there that can put America back on the right track and save America. VOTE FOR RON PAUL.

Posted by: billpaul70 | December 9, 2007 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Any other candidate or person that disagrees with Ron Paul doesn't understand the constitution at all.

Whether freedom of speech, or sound money, or right to bear arms, to limited government and non-intervention, no other candidate cares more about the PEOPLE and NOT the corporations, than Ron Paul.

There is no argument against him. He is the perfect candidate from the right, left, or center.

When fascism goes to sleep at night, it checks under the bed for Congressman Ron Paul.

Posted by: xdream | December 9, 2007 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I believe Dr. Paul is not talking about wooden nickels, but gold ones instead.

You can bet that whatever coin he is allowing to use his likeness will be solid silver or gold.

The difference between money that is made of gold/silver and money that is made of paper is something to be considered. If one has the capacity, one would be wise to read up on "fiat currency" and discover who really calls the shots.

You know they can just print more of the stuff whenever they want, right?

Posted by: news3 | December 7, 2007 11:49 PM | Report abuse

TomdeSabla,

still have that article on health insurance? I would like to read it.

Posted by: cfl24 | December 7, 2007 8:41 PM | Report abuse

US-Citizen, right on with the empty pot analogy. i used to read that book to my kids at bedtime. the rest of the field is just politicians. their sole focus is to get elected. ron paul is a statesman. huge difference. even if he's not the republican nominee, his message is out there. that's the hope he brings. and what's up with all the smirking at the debates? look at the smirk on mccains face. in earlier debates you could hear rudy snickering into his microphone. these buffoons are just high-paid paper-weights milking a beaureaucracy that is bloated on one end and bled dry on the other. thanks for the article, alec.

Posted by: negator365 | December 7, 2007 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I do have a lot of respect for John McCain. His sacrifice and service for our country give him the standing to support the Iraq War, if that is what he feels he must do. Dr. Ron Paul also served a few years in the military as an Air Force flight surgeon. In that job, he saw a lot of young pilots sent on missions from which they never returned, and for what?

Senator McCain admitted in the debates that the Vietnamese communists "did not follow us home" after we withdrew from their country. I am old enough to remember very well the mantra repeated over and over by supporters of that war that "if we don't fight them over there, we will be fighting them in the streets over here."

If the communists in Vietnam, China, the Soviet Union, Cuba, and North Korea were not able to follow us here, then how in heaven's name are a handful of Islamic terrorists going to defeat us on our home ground?

Ron Paul has been totally vindicated by his opposition to the Iraq War from war before Bush's foolish invasion. He has been vindicated on his stance against going to war in Iran. John McCain is a good man, but he is totally wrong on the way to approach the problems in the Middle East. The answer is not more war, but rather Congressman Paul's Jeffersonian vision of peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations.

Posted by: txpenguin | December 7, 2007 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that every time that rat-the opens his mouth, nothing but manure comes out. I haven't read one intelligent word from him yet. Evidently, when someone stands up for what this country should be about, they get nothing but criticism from him. Rat-the, you're certainly welcome to leave this country and let us who believe in what the founding fathers put into place that we need to restore it from the politicians and corporations that are destroying it. I find Ron Paul one of the very few who deserve the position of being the president of this country.

Posted by: Coz1 | December 7, 2007 12:46 PM | Report abuse

McCain should read David Andelman's book called A Shattered Peace, now that is a history lesson that all neo-cons, neo-libs and all politicians should read and hopefully learn the valuable lessons from that book. It is probably one of the most important books written on the subject of the consequences of interventionism.

Posted by: Republicae | December 7, 2007 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Ron, Rob, Ralph, Rick, none of the Pauls have a shot ;)

One last note: I would urge anyone who thinks ill of John McCain to go out and see him in person, if the opportunity ever arises. If you do so, I highly doubt you would come away with anything less than respect for the man's character. Even if you still don't agree with him politically, you'll come away impressed with the man.

And I say all this as a very undecided voter at this point.

Posted by: bigkam17 | December 7, 2007 11:41 AM | Report abuse

bigkam17, you must be confused!

It's RON PAUL not ROB PAUL. You should try searching for the right guy, this might give you a better shot at finding more accurate information
;)

VOTE RON PAUL!

Posted by: caminegret | December 7, 2007 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Mr. McCain would love someone to come after him on "fiscal responsibility". The guy has been one of the few Republicans who has fought against the outlandish pork-barrel spending and special interests in Washington over the last few years. They all know better than to bring that up at the debates, especially when you have liberal spenders like Rudy and Mitt on the stage who would have to answer for their histories. I also find it funny that people have commented on McCain silently falling behind Bush's policies. These people should pay attention that he has been one of the most critical in this race when it comes to Bush and his actions over the last few years. I'm not sure where all this hatred for McCain comes from, but it's truly sad that a very good candidate and man is being attacked the way he is in this discussion.

And anyone who thinks Rob Paul is going to win the nomination is ignoring the facts. The guy is hanging on in national polls by his thumbnails. No chance, whatsoever.

Posted by: bigkam17 | December 7, 2007 10:09 AM | Report abuse

As a Scot in the wee country of Scotland I have an intense interest in this campaign because the result will affect the entire world for years to come.

Americans are at their Rubicon, but in reverse. For the less classically minded, the Rubicon is a river at the border of Italy. If a Roman general crossed it with his army it was a sign of revolt and he would have to continue to Rome to overthrow the government. The event from which the term comes to us was when Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon with his army and, subsequently, ended the Republic and initiated the Empire. In 2008 Americans can cross the Rubicon, end the Empire and restore the Republic.

This is a watershed time for the entire world. Only President Ron Paul can restore the Republic. Americans literally have the future of their nation and the world in their hands this year. This is their moment of truth. They have no more "get out of jail cards free" left. If they fail this test then ...

Read Carl Fiser's post, visit Dr. Paul's website, join the rEVOLution.

A wellwisher in Scotland. FREEDOM!

Posted by: Jeremiah1 | December 7, 2007 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Great story, Carl.
You should collect stories like that ... and publish a book. Remember stupid harmful children book " Why my Mommy is a Democrat"?. Your story is so pure and wonderful. Please go for a book

Posted by: millazin | December 7, 2007 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Great story, Carl.
You should collect stories like that ... and publish a book. Remember stupid harmful children book " Why my Mommy is a Democrat"?. Your story is so pure and wonderful. Please go for a book

Posted by: millazin | December 7, 2007 8:39 AM | Report abuse

True freedom is the freedom to make it on your own, or starve. Is Ron Paul for or against that concept?

Posted by: Ys_Old_Owl | December 7, 2007 8:27 AM | Report abuse

1. Ron Paul can't win.
2. I don't think Ron Paul can win.
3. Ron Paul shouldn't win.
4. Can Ron Paul win?
5. Ron Paul has a chance to win.
6. Ron Paul Wins
7. President Paul to Give State of the Union Speech Tonight

Posted by: Fazsha | December 7, 2007 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Back in 2000 John McCain was very critical of the Bush policy in Irac. That is until Bush invited him to a meeting at the White House. All of a sudden he is backing Bush's policies. Was he promised something in 2008 for his servitude? What little respect I had left for McCain was lost after that exchange with Ron Paul during the debate. He is obviously a desperate man seeing his dream disappear. It is sometimes frightening to see what men will do or say to achieve power!

Posted by: anyedwards | December 7, 2007 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Carl Fiser:
A wonderful story!
Bravo!

Posted by: highlen | December 7, 2007 6:38 AM | Report abuse

Only thinking people vote for Ron Paul.

Posted by: jims57s | December 7, 2007 3:04 AM | Report abuse

Don't we have way too many laws in this country? If that is true, then we've got to remember that those laws are the "accomplishments" that other politicians have, that Ron Paul doesn't have.

With "accomplishments" like that - who needs mistakes? So, when people say he "hasn't done anything" - to me that means that he hasn't contributed to the problem of too many laws and too much government.

He knows what he's talking about. Sometimes you have to say no. In fact, saying so is exactly what both Americans and their government(s) have forgotten how to do.

It's been a long time since we've had an opportunity to elect a leader with the guts and the brains to explain that to us. God knows the Post is doing very little to help. They seem to be allergic to libertarian concepts in delivering the news. A fluff piece every couple years, but that's about it.

Really Post - it must be over 40 letters and opeds I've submitted over the last 3-4 years. Nothing published. And it's not as if I suck, because I've had 10-15 or so pieces published in the Wash Times during that same time span.

I put just as much diligence into my Post submissions as everything else I do, so I really feel slighted. Who else points out that gridlock can't be solved by slowing down? Apparently nobody in your paper. Who else points out that insurance is not supposed to lower the overall costs of health care in a society? Apparently nobody.

Think about it - how could an army of middlemen who do no doctoring, testing, nursing, drug making, or equipment manufacturing exist (and get paid) without adding to the overall costs of health care? Answer is - they can't.

Wrote a whole oped on it, covered every important aspect top to bottom, but NOooo, the Post "wasn't able to use" it.

I think that if Jesus Christ existed and came down to earth in the flesh, the Post wouldn't see Him, and wouldn't be able to use His oped either, unless they discovered He was really PC liberal (like MaryScott O'Connor) and had powerful friends (Like Prohibition Granny Joyce Nalepka).

They'd be like, "So, Mr. Christ, are you affiliated with any groups? What's your interest here? Is big oil paying you? Are you a climate change denier? Cause we don't print them. Not a libertarian are you? I hope not, they're a bunch of wacko's. This one guy debabla or something, he keeps sending us his opeds. It's all 'freedom this, and freedom that' - the guy thinks he's some kind of expert or something. Ha ha, if he was smart he would have figured out 2 years ago that we WERE NEVER GOING TO PRINT HIM, hah hah.

So, yeah, there ah, Mr. Christ, we'll certainly give your submission careful scrutiny, and if we're going to use it we'll call you back with more questions."

See? Gems. Gem after gem, dog. They just keep coming, better and better all the time, and the Post will not publish me.

ARRRRRGGGGHHHH!!!!

Posted by: TomdeSabla | December 6, 2007 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm surprised no one has hammered McCain in the debates when he discusses fiscal responsibility. He couldn't even manage his campaign funds. Why trust him with a budget just a tad bit larger.

Posted by: mfrayman | December 6, 2007 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Now let's take a look at the structure of our fiat monetary system and then determine just how stable it is and if it can sustain itself. First, it is imperative that we understand how our fiat monetary system works. Every dollar is debt and is loaned into the general circulation, however because interest is attached to each dollar as it is lent into circulation it takes far more to repay that debt than the amount of currency placed in circulation. For simplicity sake we will say one is the periodic circulation principle and the other is the periodic interest. In order for the economy to grow, the circulation of the currency [money supply] must be expanded, but with that expansion comes an equal amount of debt, plus the periodic interest attached to that debt. The debt, under a purely fiat monetary system, can never be repaid and, in fact, it was never intended to be repaid. When the government makes a payment on the periodic circulation principle and the periodic interest it must then turn right around and borrow an equal amount as it just paid off because if not then there will be a contraction within the economy equal to that debt payoff. The reason for this is that when debt is paid, money is taken out of circulation and an equal contraction occurs within the economy. Now because the debt can only be multiplied, it becomes irreversible under this system since we are forced to re-borrow any payments made toward the principle and interest obligations just to keep the economy growing. Eventually the multiplication of debt becomes insoluble and a rapid decent begins to occur and the economy will suffer systemic collapse.

Under the current system, the debt can only be multiplied proportionally to the circulation and thus the economy can only grow proportionally to that circulation however, since the debt is not only multiplied, but increased due to the interest added to that debt eventually the debt requires servicing at greater proportions than economic growth can provide. Basically, what will happen is the massive irreversible debt [the periodic principle and periodic interest] will consume the circulation as it demands to be serviced.

At this stage, we are seeing the beginnings of the demand the debt is placing on the economy, in other words we reached what can be considered the Practical Peak of the Fiat Currency Lifespan. This stage is a relatively short period in the history of the Fiat Currency Lifespan and leads to the final stage or the Maximum Possible Lifespan where the system becomes terminal. It is a mathematical eventuality since the escalating costs associated with servicing the debt will increase proportional failures within the economy.

Another thing to consider about the Fiat System is the decimation of the purchasing power of the currency. This has occurred because in such a system the expansion of the money supply dilutes the purchase exchange value of each dollar to the point that it eventually enters negative value. Today, for instance, it takes over $20,000.00 to purchase what $1,000.00 purchased in 1913 prior to the formation of the Federal Reserve. It is not that the prices of goods and services have increase to such proportions, but that the measure of exchange has been weakened by inflationary dilution. To understand this we need to look at an ounce of gold as a relative measure of value. In 1913 an ounce of gold was approximately valued at 20 dollars per ounce, so one dollar represented 1/20th of an ounce; today however, one dollar represents approximately 1/800th of an once of gold.

The entire system will eventually and everything that is built upon that system will suffer the same fate. Now, the question is: what is built upon that fiat system? EVERYTHING WE CALL AND KNOW AS CIVILIZED SOCIETY!

VOTE RON PAUL...HE IS THE ONLY CANDIDATE THAT REMOTELY UNDERSTANDS WHAT THIS NATION IS FACING.

Posted by: Republicae | December 6, 2007 9:44 PM | Report abuse

It would be wise for all President Bush War supporters, and those presidential candidates who would support the continued occupation of Iraq, to pay attention...

The jig is up...

President Bush has been caught in fear mongering lies in his attempt to lead us into war with yet another Middle East Country.

Maybe we should try the following foreign policy:

Peace, Commerce, and Honest Friendship...

RON PAUL for President. He is the only candidate who can be trusted to repair the damage done by the Bush administration.


Posted by: jinveninato | December 6, 2007 9:34 PM | Report abuse

ps. Bin Laden was a patsie and is now still a tool.

Additionally, if liquid petro fuel (i.e. jetfuel) fire could Melt steel (to bring down a skyscraper) then Bin Laden could actually "Stand down" our Air defense system (NORAD) so "a plane" can hit the ACCOUNTING department at the Pentagon! AND "islamic terrorists" could actually hijack airplanes with "boxcutters." And exhaust manifolds all over the world would melt AND Bush would actually legitimately become elected president BY the people AND The US Government might represent the people. AND the media may carry the actual "NEWS"
Amazing!

Posted by: herbie8228 | December 6, 2007 8:31 PM | Report abuse

I like McCain but his apropos-to-nothing-at-the-moment Hitler-baiting was not very presidential. It had all the markings of a desperate campaign hoping to grab NH independents back.

And it's pretty compelling that while McCain, Giuliani, Romney, Clinton and others were beating their chests over a tactical nuclear strike against Iran taking "no options off the table" Ron Paul was calmly explaining that Iran is no threat to the US and suggesting we try talking to them.

Turns out Iran quit whatever nuclear ambitions they had about 5 years ago.

No air force, no navy, no nuclear program, no threat to America and yet these candidates are banging the drums of war? I call that playing fast and loose with the lives of our brave men and women in uniform.

Ron Paul is the president they deserve - right about Iraq, right about Iran, right about the economy and right for America.

Posted by: zen269 | December 6, 2007 8:26 PM | Report abuse

First off let me say that I do appreciate the coverage. Second, however this article does contain the same [getting] old[er and older] fascist/empire slant, that among other things "The State" (or "Gov") [shall] reign(s) supreme over the individual. I am convinced however that it is not the writer(s) or reporter(s) fault(s). This is a (supremacy) disease in thinking that is epidemic in America. It has been promoted by a 'controlling' faction of our country that has continued to consider themselves alone above any 'law'(by control I mean they have and have had control of all the resources media 'law' enforcement 'military' and wealth for some time). The same way Germany's consciousness became polluted during Hitler such has happened here. FEAR OR GREED, the devil himself has taken us for a ride.

Freedom is such that it is intimately intertwined with freedom. The founders knew this. The bible speaks of this. The two are inseparable. Attack freedom and sacrifice humanity itself. Look at what these people have done (TORTURE KILLING INNOCENTS). Paul and all of us who have awakenED to the truth of the matter help those in UNECESSARY FEAR to see the LIGHT. I myself have always maintained my faith in the individual, individual responsibility, democracy and, therefore, humanity and FREEDOM not kingdom, not serfdom, not neoslavery. LIFE, LIBERTY AND THE FREE PURSUITS OF HAPPINESS. The tighter this "empire" tries to control and squeeze (repress) the individual the more we will like hamburger slip out between it's talons. Freedom is and will always be OMNIPOTENT (all powerful) and OMNIPRESENT (always there here and everywhere). We don't need to police the world to promote this. Policing is in conflict to this. It is inherent.

Pauls message is an imperative because the path we've been on other than being an utter hoax, fraud and a farce, like the war on drugs, has been tearing the very fabric of humanity, from such a hypocritical corner as "standing for freedom."

Have faith, believe in and allow the change for a necessary for this all important rEVOLution. The stealth empire must give way to the individual (the benevolence of the individual) and democracy. Don't believe the evil focus that comes from your mindbox (TV). Believe what you know in your heart to be true.
"We The People" and Ron Paul love, faith, peace, goodness and prosperity wins in 2008!
Sincerely,
In Peace & Freedom

Posted by: herbie8228 | December 6, 2007 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh Rat, you hilarious little rodent. How can I top that!!! You know I am just one of those oddball, miscreant, "Paultards", a physician like Dr. Paul, though working at the FDA and with undergraduate degrees in English and Philosophy and a second graduate level degree. Your riposte though was so clearly devastating how may political debate continue. To be quite honest I am even a bit concerned at how much I like Congressman Paul's positions, he has challenged me as I never expected a politician might do. It sort of reminds me of when I first read Dostoyevsky, I know this is good stuff but it is difficult and I darn well better try and digest it slowly. But now I am rambling, rat, unlike your excellent and pointed parrot analogy - hope that parrot doesn't spot you in the corner.

Anywho, by all means, keep posting rat, I don't think RP would mind and it would not at all surprise me if each of your missives brings dozens into the Ron Paul camp.

RP= Republican Party.

Posted by: ZebraPDM123 | December 6, 2007 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Squawwk! LOL! Squawwk!

Dr. NO Dr. NO! Ron Pauls Dr. No-NO!

Squuuawk! NO-NO! No-NO Dr. NO-NO! Sqaauuwk!

No-NO!!! NO-NO-NO-NO!

LOL! He did not accomplish anything because he is against everything, and that makes him someone we should want for President?!!!

Squuawwk-NO-NO!

Posted by: rat-the | December 6, 2007 7:16 PM | Report abuse

http://www.pledgeforpaul.com
Don't forget your PRIMARY responsibility

Posted by: washpost | December 6, 2007 6:49 PM | Report abuse

newagent99 an example of what you call ignorant in America. I do not need special rights just because I am a woman nor does my husband because he is Puerto Rican. I just love the uninformed, they make so much sense it amazes me. Here we go - history 101.

The Declaration of Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights; that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

The Gettysburg Address by Abraham Lincoln:
"Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.

I'm sorry did both of them say "that all men are created equal." We should just rip them up and throw them away too. I mean they are just a piece of paper.

Get the facts. Read the issues. Vote Ron Paul 2008.

Ron Paul is the best candidate for this country.

Posted by: tyracorp | December 6, 2007 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Finally someone in the Media picked up on this.

What do you think of John McCain equating Ron Paul's "isolationism" with appeasing Hitler?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1180

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Posted by: jeffboste | December 6, 2007 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Kudos to the Washington Post for this fact-based report.

Kudos to the above Ron Paul supporters for your logic and historical perspective.

Go Ron Paul!

Posted by: wm1123 | December 6, 2007 6:04 PM | Report abuse

For those that don't know....GWB's grandfather Prescott Bush help secure loans for Hitlers party. Just as IBM helped keep track of the Jewish people who were forced into their current state known as Israel. Obscure information straight from the horses mouth is available, if you want to know that is.

Posted by: shawnoel | December 6, 2007 5:59 PM | Report abuse

To newagent. Maybe you should read up on what freedom and liberty is. Same rights for whites, blacks, women, men, bi's, gays and little green people; No special rights to any of them or to any groups. Can you conceive that? Got a problem with that? So lets see, balancing the budget and bringing home American soldiers ASAP is also a bad idea? Having a metal or value based dollar rather than play money , which is worthless is also a bad idea? Getting rid of the Income tax and disbanding the thugs at the IRS is also a bad idea, but allowing China to continue to flood this country with their tax and duty free products while we go dowwn the tubes is a great idea, especially since we borrow money from them to keep fighting these wars? Lets keep the borders open too; all the way and let the whole world in so they can all get a pathway to American citizenship and suck up our kids' and grandkids' future. Maybe you should read some history? Sad to see how many hoodwinked Americans there are, either that or it's just selfishness and greed.

Posted by: libertynow | December 6, 2007 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Washington Post once again for writing a great piece on Ron Paul. I feel really sorry for people like newagent99 who make posts with no back up, and do not read about a candidate. By the way I am a female, I am not white, and I do support and will vote for Ron Paul. Ron Paul obeys our Constitution, and the Laws of our Land. Liberty and Freedom is what we need and he is the only Presidential Candidate that is offering that.

Tess, California

Posted by: tess101 | December 6, 2007 5:43 PM | Report abuse

McCain has proven himself to be just another neocon. His gravitas died the day he decided honesty was no match for the opportunity to empower himself over others.

As always, principle precedes pragamatism, otherwise there is nothing worthwhile to achieve.

If McCain truly loved America, he would lead the charge against the neocons, rather than destroy it for a seat at their table.

Posted by: georgewill | December 6, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Hey newagent99,

You obviously have not researched what Ron Paul's Proposals are based upon.

Gender and race are divisions of people. Ron Paul is for treating all people equally and letting you decide your own fate be it good or bad.

His positions do not lend themselves to sound bite answers. The positions take a greater intellectual examination of the logic and reasoning behind them to understand.

Once you understand what liberty and freedom mean you will understand what he stands for. I assure you he does not stand for anarchy and the transition will not result in 1776 America.

It is about stopping the rampant Tyranny and Socialism that is killing the American Expeiriment.

The Message Is More Important Than The Man; Educate Yourself. If you rely on others for your education you risk being led to incorrect conclusion.

I Vote For Virtue; Core Character Counts.

Save The Republic; Vote Ron Paul.

Posted by: PainfullyAware | December 6, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

newagent99, no offense, but I think you missed the whole point of Dr. Paul's message. Check out his writings and his stances on the issues at ronpaul2008.com.

Posted by: vinniep | December 6, 2007 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Newage. you are so wrong. I guess you will keep voting for the BUshies because you have your head in the sand same as them.
You have not done y our homework. Ron wants just the opposite. He is not against those things. He was every individual to be able to choose for themselves what they want without prejudice. Understand? Without prejudice.

Posted by: Chance1 | December 6, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

newagent,

that's a rather silly comment.

any basis AT ALL for those remarks.

If so, I'd love to here them.

Posted by: islandflyer | December 6, 2007 5:21 PM | Report abuse

ron paul, for the rights of straight white males everywhere..

women ... absolutely not

minorities.... absolutely not

take things back to the way they were!

Posted by: newagent99 | December 6, 2007 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Presidential Candidate Ron Paul Bears Empty Pot For Americans
December 6, 2007
Carl Fiser
(Smithtown, N.Y.)

Many contend that Ron Paul, although an honest, plain-talking man, comes to the 2008 presidential campaign podium without a lot of achievement. While in office, he hasn't steer-headed proposed legislation into law, or galvanized broad-based support for this national agenda or that, or even been on board with most post-911 bills and actions. For almost twenty years, he's been a dedicated representative for his Texas District and has not a potpourri of achievements about which to boast on the presidential campaign trail. Is this exactly true? How could someone serve for so long, and have so little to show for it?

At this time, I should share a story I heard from two entertainers at my son's grade school. The entertainers were turning books from different parts of the world into short, little plays, in order to spark the children's interest in reading.

The following story took place centuries ago in the Far East.

The wise, old emperor was keenly aware that he was getting along in years, and he worried about finding a suitable replacement to lead the people. One day, he solicited the young people of his kingdom to gather, and he shocked them by telling them that he would be stepping down and that he would choose one of them to be his successor. "I am going to give each one of you a seed today, a very special seed. I want you to plant the seed, water it and come back here one year from today with what you have grown from the seed. I will then judge the plants that you bring, and the one I choose will be the next emperor!"

One young man named Ling, a son of a farmer, was there that day, and he was certain that he could cultivate that seed better than anyone else. He got a pot, filled it with rich soil and watered it carefully. Day after day, he checked the pot. Weeks passed by, then months, and still nothing had grown. Other youths from the kingdom began to talk about their plants and flowers and trees, but Ling said nothing. He was sure that he somehow had killed the seed.

After a year had passed, all the youths of the kingdom brought their plants to the emperor for inspection. Ling's first inclination was not to attend, but he showed up that day, sick to his stomach. He was amazed at the plants that the others had brought. They were of all different varieties and all so beautiful. Some of the others made fun of Ling's empty pot and others felt pity for him. Ling stood toward the back of the crowd.
The emperor looked over the vast array and seemed pleased. Then, he spotted Ling standing at the back of the room with his empty pot, and he ordered his guards to bring the young man to the front. Ling was led grudgingly, fearful that he may be punished for his utter failure. The emperor asked his name. "My name is Ling," he replied. Now, all the youths were laughing and making fun. The emperor then announced to the crowd, "Behold your new emperor! His name is Ling!"

The emperor continued,
One year ago today, I gave everyone here a seed. I told you to take the seed, plant it, water it and bring it back to me today. But I gave you all boiled seeds which would not grow. The rest of you substituted your own seeds for the one I gave you, but Ling was the only one with the courage and honesty to bring me a pot with my seed in it. Therefore, he is the one who will be your new emperor!

Ron Paul, like Ling, is a great truth-teller. His voting record is one of the most consistent this writer has ever seen. No flip-flops are to be found. As well, he is a courageous and wise man, and a heck of an economist. Just ask the Wall Streeters. However, he bears to his fellow countrymen (and countrywomen), an empty pot. He can't claim to have brought you wars or higher taxes, which we now have. He never brought you an unbalanced budget, which is a perennial joke. He never voted himself a wage increase and, to this day, gives back part of his salary every year. He has always voted to preserve the Constitution, cut government spending, lower healthcare costs, end the war on drugs, secure our borders with immigration reform and protect our civil liberties. Sorrowfully, he was outvoted or shot down on all measures.

The Constitution has been chiseled down, government spending is through the roof, healthcare costs are out of control, the war on drugs keeps getting less effective, immigration issues remain unresolved and our civil liberties have been crimped for our own safety. I'll just throw in that Ron Paul opposes regulation of the internet, which has been a revolution in the exchange of ideas, this article being a case in point.

The eye-popping reality of the situation is this. No longer can it be said that Ron Paul is running for President. Amazingly enough, his candidacy has been hijacked, and it appears now that the people are running for President. . . through Ron Paul! That's the true revolution about which your neighbors are speaking.

So, do you want the plants and flowers that your other government representatives have cultivated for you year after year, or do you want an open and honest effort at change, not for the powerful interests, but for you and for members of your family yet to arrive. If you want to see an unprecedented effort at change - starting with the only man on the campaign trail who is not afraid to tell you the truth - your action must start now. Get informed. Get angry. Get talking to your neighbors. Then, get to the voting booths!

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Posted by: US-Citizen | December 6, 2007 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Great little insightful piece on Paul's persona. I think McCain has the edge in personal gravitas but the magnitude of Paul's ideas has done a much better job of inspiring legions of volunteers in his cause via the Internet.

Posted by: jimmcclarin | December 6, 2007 4:50 PM | Report abuse

rat-the -- I think you are completely confused by the workings of the business.

See, when you purchased medallions from Liberty Dollar they didn't send you wooden coins. The money that was sent was made entirely out of 100% pure Gold, Silver or Copper.

Gold, Silver and Copper are liquid all over the world, regardless of whose image is on the front of it.

Posted by: adam1mc | December 6, 2007 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I had a great deal of respect for John McCain in 2000, but his attempt to compare Iraq to Nazi Germany and Paul to a Hitler-appeaser was shameful. This was a clear attempt to discredit Paul as he gains momentum in New Hampshire. John McCain is no longer the honest straight-talker he once was.

Posted by: aleweston | December 6, 2007 4:45 PM | Report abuse

The big difference between McCain and Paul is McCain wants to add to the debt and Paul wants to balance the budget. McCain keeps saying it is working in Iraq but never says how he will pay for it because he won't he will throw the burden on the next generation. That is NOT leadership. Ron Paul offers a plan to balance the budget. McCain is the sequal to George W Bush, if you like Bush then you will love McCain.

Posted by: info4 | December 6, 2007 4:44 PM | Report abuse

LOL! Get your Ron Paul Wooden Nickles right Here!

Wooden Dollars are inscribed as Dr.NO!

Oh, but there is Bullion behind them! We even moved it to Switzerland for "Safe Keeping"!

Posted by: rat-the | December 6, 2007 4:37 PM | Report abuse

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