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A Biden-Obama Deal?

Updated 1:58 p.m.
By Shailagh Murray
DES MOINES -- Sen. Joseph Biden wants to beat New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson tonight. And Sen. Barack Obama could help him do that.

A source close to the Biden campaign described a possible arrangement, now under discussion between the two camps, that could apply to certain precincts where Biden can't meet the 15 percent viability threshold, but where he is backed by local officials with the clout to move Biden supporters to Obama. In return, Biden could capture some of Obama's overflow in precincts where the Illinois senator has more than enough support to win.

Of course the details are secret, but team Biden knows exactly how much support it needs, and where, for the Delaware senator to finish fourth, ideally in double digits. Biden's poor showing in one public poll after another has confounded many Hawkeye political observers, given the large and enthusiastic crowds he draws, along with his impressive foreign policy resume. But while Biden was unable to raise the money needed to build the statewide ground organization needed to contend here, he did cultivate key relationships across rural Iowa. And some of these state and local officials have informed the campaign that they are backing Obama as their second choice.

A fourth place finish would not turn Biden into a favorite for the nomination, but it would allow him to participate in the Democratic debate on Saturday in New Hamsphire, one last chance for the political veteran to make his mark.

The Biden source described the possible Obama deal as "viability for victory." An Obama source confirmed that discussions had taken place, but that nothing had been decided.

But as of this afternoon, it appeared no agreement could be reached. Biden campaign Iowa State director Danny O'Brien said "there are no discussions underway and there will be no deal with any campaign. We believe Sen. Biden is strong enough on his own."

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Obama's efforts to connect to the Republican Party, specifically Bush, and Dick Chaney, of the Halliburton Company, dates back to the Presidents Grandfather, Prescott Bush, and indeed Chaney was once an executive officer of Halliburton.

The American military pounds Iraq with Artillary, bombs, and the like, destroying large sections of cities, and infra-structures, then Halliburton comes in to rebuild. Halliburton and Halliburton associated companies have raked in ten's of billions.

Obama is just like the BIG HALIBURTAN. Haliburton has contracted to build detention centers in the U.S. similiar to the one in Quantanammo Bay, Cuba. Halliburton does nothing to earn the Two Dollars for each meal an American Serviceman in Iraq eats.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

Halliburton was scheduled to take control of the Dubai Ports in The United Arab Emiirate. The deal was canceled when Bush was unable to affect the transfer of the American Ports.

Now we see what some might suspect as similiar financial escapading from the Democrats.

Two years ago, Iraq's Ministry of Electricity gave a $50 million contract to a start-up security company - Companion- owned by now-indicted businessman (TONY REZKO) Tony Rezko and a onetime Chicago cop, Daniel T. Frawley, to train Iraqi power-plant guards in the United States. An Iraqi leadership change left the deal in limbo. Now the company, Companion Security, is working to revive its contract.
Involved along with Antoin "Tony" Rezco, long time friend and neighbor of Democratic Presidential hopeful Barack Obama, and former cop Daniel T. Frawley, is Aiham Alsammarae. Alsammarae was accused of financial corruption by Iraqi authorities and jailed in Iraq last year before escaping and returning here.

LIKE FATHER LIKE SON --
Recently, Obama's campaign staff have been vetted by the IRS to disclose his connection to the criminal money generating underworld. Besides, his connections to the REZCO MAFIA types, his up-coming tax fraud charges -- Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and disclose Obama's MUSLIM Farrakhan mob connection to Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ. Its minister, and Obama's spiritual adviser, is the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. In 1982, the church launched Trumpet Newsmagazine; Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive editor. Every year, the magazine makes awards in various categories. Last year, it gave the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award to a man it said "truly epitomized greatness." That man is Louis Farrakhan. Farrakhan and Chicago's Trinity United Church are trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. Obama should stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It's time to introduce this false, fake Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke "GLORK" Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek. He is MAD!!! --

OBAM YOU'RE NO JFK --

"GLORK" Obama looks like Alfred E. Newman: "Tales Calculated To Drive You." He is a MUSLIM "Glork" He's MAD!!! Alfred E. Neuman is the fictional mascot of Mad. The face had drifted through American pictography for decades before being claimed by Mad editor Harvey Kurtzman after he spotted it on the bulletin board in the office of Ballantine Books editor Bernard Shir-Cliff, later a contributor to various magazines created by Kurtzman.
Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It's time to introduce this false, fake "GLORK" Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek.

Michelle Obama should be ashamed.

"GLORK" Michelle Obama should be ashamed of her separatist-racist connection to Farrakhan and Chicago's Trinity United Church trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. If Michelle Obama new what her husband -- the Hope-A-Dope, Fonster Monster -- Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama did in Harlem, she would wash her wide-open, Hus-suey loving MUSILM mouth out, with twenty-four (24) mule-team double-cross X-boX-BorraX. He is a MUSLIM "Glork" It's time to introduce this false, fake "GLORK" Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek. He's MAD!!!

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

Posted by: jreno8 | March 8, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

THis is sure old news. For those of you so down on Biden, you simply haven't done your homework. Biden would have made a great president, so if Obama is chosen, nothing would be better for him than to chose Biden as his running mate. I'd like to see Obama's choices for his cabinet, as well. It would give us some insite as we prepare to vote. In fact, this should be a prerequisite for the winner in both parties. Are we still waiting for Hillary and Bill's tax returns for 2007? Last I knew they had not reported on their financial situation, which is compulsory........... I suppose that Hillary's 5 or 6 million she put into her campaign coffer can go as a tax reduction for them. Poor babies... She is such a thorn in my side........in fact, several. It's your option to vote for her, but you'll be sorry. She'll never put her actions where her mouth tells you. She only tells you what you want to hear, and you fall for it.......

Posted by: janetb1 | February 11, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I was a precinct captain for Senator Biden in the Iowa Caucuses.

Joe Biden believes there are some principles that are more important than politics, things a candidate should be willing to lose for.

Senator Joe Biden has integrity. Barak Obama won the Iowa Caucus fair and square. Senator Biden did his best with the funds he had to work with, never broadcast a negative add about his Democratic opponents, refused to make back-room deals, and has gracefully bowed out of the race.

Every Democrat running is more qualified to be President than what we currently have. I believe that what we Democrats need to do now is look to November and support whoever our party nominates.

The last thing we need is another Republican in the Whitehouse!

Posted by: risejugger | January 4, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

well, the NYTimes beat you out again, WAPO. The deal is Obama and Richardson. Fascinating, since it sure looked like Richardson was angling for Hillary's VP...Seems like no love for Hillary among the second tier Dems. BTW, in answer to bflobillw's post, which read:

Vimpy,

Did you read all that on FOX News or make it up yourself?

Sigh. No wonder this country got stuck with W for eight years.

Posted by: bflobillw | January 3, 2008 02:50 PM

Had to have heard it on Faux News, since he can't read.

Posted by: mike38 | January 3, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

excuse me, ny times is reporting obama richardson deal

Posted by: amenotti | January 3, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

poor richardson...nytimes is reporting a biden-obama deal so biden can beat richardson. looks like richardson got two timed here.

Posted by: amenotti | January 3, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

This further reinforces my view that the Iowa caucuses are a crazy ridiculous joke.

How does a deal like this enhance the democratic process? Absolutely it doesn't.

For once the Republicans get something right- a secret ballot is simple and better.

Posted by: sanjay08544 | January 3, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I can't imagine Obama cottoning to Biden, a plagiarist and "résumé-enhancer." Of course, Dodd would be worse, Fidel Castro's voice in the Senate.

Posted by: filoporquequilo | January 3, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

BE PATIENT GANG. WATCH AND SEE HILLARY COME OUT ON TOP.

Posted by: bak5496 | January 3, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

What a joke...Biden can't get enough votes so he trades them with Obama?...What, do they think the voters are idiots? This is why Biden never has been and never will be elected president...and Obama, who poses as an outsider, is shaping up to play a classic insider...

Posted by: ttj1 | January 3, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

How can we as a people say we want free and fair elections, when we ok certain deals as long as it is "our" favorite candidate?

In a democracy individuals must have the right to choose whomever he or she wants without coercion from anyone.

Posted by: LadyEagle | January 3, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama/Biden? Naivete and arrogance uber alles! Come on Democrats - certainly you can do better than this - no wonder your congressional toadies cannot enact the "mandate" the stooges at moveon.org worked so hard to ellect them to. And can it be coincidence that their approval rating can only be described as abysmal? What silly sods. If only it were a Daily Show skit and not one of the major political parties.

Posted by: tgerwin | January 3, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Our Florida absentee ballots are sitting here waiting for the first results to come in. This is the first time we do not have a favorite candidate. We do not want to waste a vote but we would really like to vote for Chris Dodd and/or Joe Biden. Everyone seems to treat this as a done deal for Clinton, Obama, and Edwards. We resent that supposition. This is not giving candidates a fair chance

We urge Iowans to not be persuaded by anyone and vote for the candidate you choose.

Posted by: WhatAWonderfulWorld | January 3, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Here's thought from up the thread that seems to me prescient:

"this story alone conveys to Biden supporters to vote Obama on the second ballot, which to me is very significant even as a rumor of a dead deal."

To me an Obama-Biden ticket appeals as a winning electionable team and a hopeful augury for our troubled world. A strong second choice signal might be sufficient, though something more formal still appears to be under consideration.

But great prospects from the Democratic stable abound. Biden could serve as an outstanding Secretary of State, with someone else (Chris Dodd perhaps) as VP. Senator Clinton would make an excellent Majority Leader or might fruitfully head a commission on immigration reform. (It's most unlikely there'll be as many as 60 Dem Senators in the new Congress, so everything will be a major challenge, even with President Obama's skill and commitment.)
Bill Richardson has no peer at settling two-party disputes, it seems. He will be a valuable asset and ought to be tapped to perform his magic from a higher platform than before, unless he chooses to serve his state further as Governor or as Senator.

How about Sam Nunn as Secretary of Defense? Michael Bloomberg or Dennis Kucinich as Secretary of the Interior? Rubin again at Treasury? Hagel as Secretary of Commerce?

Posted by: FirstMouse | January 3, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"Biden campaign Iowa State director Danny O'Brien said "there are no discussions underway and there will be no deal with any campaign. We believe Sen. Biden is strong enough on his own."

ANOTHER STORY ABOUT NOTHING!

Posted by: Katy7540 | January 3, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

There will be no deal. The United States Of America is NOT ready for a "Barak Hussein Obama" to be it's leader. While Hillary is standing in for him to make it legal, Bill Clinton will be the next President of the United States for another 8 years; no doubt about it!!! :->)

Posted by: bak5496 | January 3, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"Biden campaign Iowa State director Danny O'Brien said "there are no discussions underway and there will be no deal with any campaign. We believe Sen. Biden is strong enough on his own."

ANOTHER STORY ABOUT NOTHING!

Posted by: Katy7540 | January 3, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I can't believe a WaPo journalist could be so wrong, twice in one week.

If you are going to make up stories and call them "news" you should work for the National Enquirer...they would love to see your work in print.

I have absolutely no evidence that what you said in your article this afternoon is true; the Biden campaign has issued a statement early this morning from Iowa State Campaign Director Danny O'Brien:

"There are no discussions underway and there will be no deal with any campaign. We believe Sen. Biden is strong enough on his own. Everyone knows that Sen. Biden is a popular second choice for the supporters of all the other campaigns. We remain confident that Sen. Biden will surprise folks this evening."

So we'd all be especially interested in learning who your "source close to the Biden campaign" is.......

Posted by: Eyerishize | January 3, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

An Obama/Biden ticket. That would cinch it for me. Great combination. "Nuff said"

Posted by: 23bemcleod | January 3, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to the main stream media, we've got "top tier" candidates that have been pushed on the public for months. Biden and Dodd are better than a couple those riding high in the polls. Biden is my first choice, and I am looking for him to make a much better than expected showing in Iowa. See you on the flip side!

Posted by: EuroTrash60 | January 3, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I will bet that most of you Ds are dissatisfied with Harry Reid, if for no other reason than that he has his foot firmly planted in his mouth. Yet the Senate Ds seem to "like" him. Why? Does not Chris Dodd seem like someone who would be a more effective Senate Majority Leader?

Posted by: mark_in_austin | January 3, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

lylepink - with all due respect, I think you have it backwards. Most of those I know, who tend to vote Dem, believe that Hillary is the only Dem who can be defeated. I understand their point as I am a good example. While I am not a registered Dem, I would vote for Obama, Edwards, Dodd, Kucinich or Biden. If Hillary is the nominee, I would vote 3rd party or stay home.

And before anyone lables me as sexist or anti-Hillary, I did vote for her for US Senator when she ran against Rick Lazio. Is it just that, IMHO, while she can be an effective Senator, I believe she will be a disaster in the White House.

Posted by: bflobillw | January 3, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Great Scott! Is it true that Obama and Biden are cutting a deal to insure their standings in the Iowa Caucus tonight. Get real naysayers because politicians have been cutting deals since time immimorial.

I pray this allegation is true because a Obama/Biden ticket is what we Demos need to prevail in the 08 Prez election. What a wonderful balanced combination: Obama the inspirational, change agent, articulate and creative candidate, and Biden steeped in foreign affairs, national security, economics and the panoply of social issues of critical importance to the Nation candidate.

Enough, Enough, Enough of Shrillary and her belief that proximity to Slick Willy for eight years somehow provides her with an entitlement to be our candidate. Baloney, we need Obama/Biden to straighten out the domestic and international mess Bush and company have created! Forrest Gerard

Posted by: fgerard | January 3, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

For all of you who are Joe Biden supporters, and really think that "Joe Biden" should be, but plan to caucus for another (because you want to go with a "winner"), with choosing Joe as your second choice - that is going to be dependent on your precinct turnout and how you choose - where will Joe benefit in comparison.

Unfortunately, most people outside of Iowa (and some new Iowa caucusers) do not understand how this Iowa caucus process works. If you really believe in Joe Biden, then you should adamantly stand up at your precinct tonight and Caucus for Joe Biden - first. Then, if there is a need for a second round to realign, do so with your preferential second choice. It is so vital that Joe Biden get a well-represented voice from those who really think Joe Biden is the best candidate.

By all means, he deserves to be included in the debate in New Hampshire on Saturday, as does Chris Dodd. In all of the previous debates, they have answered the question asked. And the front-runners who have been invited to the debate and don't need that 15% showing - well, they themselves have answered the questions by saying "Joe is Right" on numerous occasions.

I hope and pray, and have faith that the typical 125,000 +/- past Iowan caucusers will turnout tonight, with a clear message based on first-hand knowledge and facts about their chosen candidates, instead of what the MSM and others are predicting.

Michele, Biden supporter from IL

Posted by: mickeyc777 | January 3, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Of course, I would prefer Biden-Obama...

Posted by: mark_in_austin | January 3, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

The only problem I have with this scenario is that Biden or Obama cannot win in 08. I thought for a long time about any Dem could win in 08, and now I am almost 100% sure Hillary is the only Dem that can. I kinda joke about my "Crystal Ball" at times, but from what I have seen and heard over these past few months, the Repubs only "FEAR" Hillary in the GE, and that is why so many Repubs are supporting Obama because they know they can beat him and not Hillary.

Posted by: lylepink | January 3, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

There is another obvious talent of Biden's that Obama could use. In a divided Senate, a VP who could be an active presiding officer with strong personal relationships across the aisle would be a plus. Think VP LBJ for a parallel - LBJ served two purposes in JFK's Admin: President of the Senate, and ramrod of NASA. We all think Obama would try to work with Congress in a way we have not seen for a while.

It could work.

Posted by: mark_in_austin | January 3, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

These deals are smart because Biden could get a ticket out of Iowa and Obama could seal first place, but its too difficult to arrange. You would need an accountant at every caucus. But this story alone conveys to Biden supporters to vote Obama on the second ballot, which to me is very significant even as a rumor of a dead deal.

Regarding the continued smears, when I first read about it a couple months ago I actually cried because it offended me so much. I am an Irish Catholic but my great grandmother was a non-christian Cherokee. Would that mean that I am somehow not really Catholic? So it angered and saddened me. But today I read the smears in this thread and I smiled at how weak and desperate these tactics are. That is the power of Obama's infectious optimism, wisdom, and character. He could have easily gotten just as nasty, but he took the high road and there is a good chance that road is leading to a victory tonight.

God bless America, Obama and all the candidates who want to make America better.

Posted by: singleagainat27 | January 3, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Vimpy,

Did you read all that on FOX News or make it up yourself?

Sigh. No wonder this country got stuck with W for eight years.

Posted by: bflobillw | January 3, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

bsimon: "Not too hard. . . . A simple email blast or even phone tree would be sufficient to publish the strategy to a campaign's ground people."

This is one of those things that looks easy to organize on paper but is much more difficult to execute in real life.

First, it would a bad idea to create an e-mail that provides written evidence of a deal because those supporters not satisfied with the deal could leak it to the press or other campaigns.

Also, by this point in the process, Iowans are routinely deleting e-mails and hanging up on phone calls from the candidates. So it is not clear how effective an e-mail blast would be.

Once the caucus goers get inside the caucus they are just as likely to be influenced by their friends and neighbors than by campaign staffers instructions.

Even if such a deal were made, it would be a good effort to get ten to twenty percent complience with it. Maybe that would be enough to make a difference.

Even the best campaigns I have seen have still been pretty disorganized so it would be a tall order to pull something like this off.

Posted by: danielhancock | January 3, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

graysce101, please shut up.

Posted by: thecrisis | January 3, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Personally, I think Biden/Obama would be better. Then we would have 8 years of Biden, and then 8 years of Obama. Obama could use some seasoning and I don't think his ride is going to be so smooth when the Republicans go on the attack. Obama does has links to big time lobbyists in Illinois and he hasn't been about change when it comes to Illinois politics.

Posted by: nosyllao | January 3, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I love the idea of an Obama/Biden ticket. Just perfect! Biden could have the whole foreign affairs portfolio and act as National Security Adviser with a compliant SecState. In many ways it would be a joint presidency with Biden fully engaged in solving the foreign problems he has spent his entire life preparing for while Obama gets the domestic agenda and a seasoned counselor at his right arm.

The cynics out there will point to Bush-Cheney and mock the idea. Please! The situation I'm describing involves leaders doing their best for their country.

Posted by: optimyst | January 3, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

To reply to post of royalarc2005, who said "the VP is like an ambassador or something". Surely you have not been keeping up with Dick Cheney, who is apparently co-president...unlike any VP we have ever had before. I really like Joe Biden, and I also don't understand why people can't see and appreciate his talents for repairing the US reputation around the world. I will now vote for Obama, and hope that he chooses Joe Biden for his VP. This would be an awesome ticket.

Posted by: beccajo | January 3, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

It's not just Biden and the second-tier candidates who face the viability dynamics. The top three are all at around 25 percent statewide. Pockets of strength and weakness abound for Clinton, Obama, and Edwards. Anywhere that differs 10 percent or more from the state average can fail viability, and we all know from general election returns how easy it is for the local results to differ from the statewide average. Viability is a critical issue for every candidate running in the Democratic caucus.

Posted by: blasmaic | January 3, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama-Biden would be a great ticket -- Biden complements Obama well, and if you saw the debate a couple weeks ago, it was a lovefest between the two.
Also, Biden comes off as a legitimate tough guy and can be an effective attack dog (as is usually the VP role).

Plus, the VP can be very influential in national security policymaking -- he is mandated as one of the "principals" in the National Security Council, and I'd want a President Obama to have an uber-experienced right hand man for national security and foreign affairs.

(in a non-Cheneyesque way, of course...)

Posted by: flynnb | January 3, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

This "inside story" has Clinton dirty tricks written all over it. This is just the sort of under handed garbage Bill and she have undertaken over the years and painting everyone else with the same broad brush allows them to step back and say "See, everybody else does it, too". Well, they don't, and none of us will vote for Clinton NO MATTER WHAT.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | January 3, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Here's the Republican propaganda for the salesman:

Is it obvious that they let this rookie to have a free ride about his record?

Is it obvious that the Republicans aim the attack only to Hillary Clinton?

Is it obvious that most of the Independents (Republican) are voting for this rookie?

Republicans know they will eat him alive if he is the Democrat nominee. These are the issues (facts) to be raised against him:

..Muslim blood. Muslim's sons are Muslims for life. Blood is sticker than water.
..refused to say the Pledge of Allegiance. He did not want to offend ISLAM so he refused.
..claims he's running on his record.. He did not even know how to cast a "Yes" or "No" vote. What a coward?
.. had 17 years' old unpaid outstanding parking tickets. He should spend sometime in jail.
.insisted that his health care provides care to everyone, does he know what universal means?
..a fabulous orator, but we need more than words; we need a doer not a talker
..he says one thing and does another
..will meet with enemies without preconditions (what a Joke!)
..he said that he was not taking money from the Lobbyists. Yeah right?
..playing old politics as usual, after he promised hope and change....
..used to be a drug addict or a pusher?
..inexperienced, lack of accomplishments

For my fellow Democrats, please don't waste your vote to a rookie! Please be smart.

Posted by: graysce101 | January 3, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

As I see it, this is a better deal for Obama than for Biden. The problem is that Obama isn't going to be way ahead in very many places, but Biden should be under 15% in many if not most. That means that under the agreement, Obama is going to get a lot of Biden supporters. Since the 15% threshold is there, when Biden has under 15%, those people have to go elsewhere. On the other hand, Clinton and Edwards would stand to gain some of the other under 15% candidates' supporters, so Obama will probably not have an assured victory anywhere.

Posted by: philb1 | January 3, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama/Biden would not be good. It would be a waste of talent. The VP is like an ambassador or something. Biden needs to be Secratary of State. His foreign policy experience is way more than any candidate, But he's not in the top tier so if Obama wins (and I do mean if) Biden should be his only choice for SOS. Then he will win the POTUS hands down because he would have some of Obama gold dust sprinkled on him. lol. lol. lol. Now this is contiengent on Obama winning the Democratic Nom. and The Presidency. but who knows....

Posted by: royalarc2005 | January 3, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

It should be a Biden/Obama ticket. Biden is obviously the most experienced candidate with the strongest foreign relations experience, which is exactly what we need right now. Obama probably won't win if he is the democratic nominee (He's my second choice behind Biden, but I think the ghost of prejudice is alive and well in too many parts of the US. See vimpy's post above), but if he gets the experience now as VP, he's in a great position for the next time around.

Posted by: crazedcow | January 3, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

wimpy wrote:

ANYONE BUT OBAMA..... THE GLIB SMOOTH TALKER!!!(nothing Bush like here) ANOTHER BUSH IN THE MAKING...(there's only ONE Bush) WOULD BE THE FIRST MADRASA EDUCATED (could be an asset), DRUG USER (he wouldn't be the first, this must be where he was truly like Bush and don't forget Clinton) SELLER (not), ABUSER (not), MUSLIM (not), BLACK CANDIDATE TO BE THE US PRESIDENT !!! CHRIST SAVE US PLEASE !!!!!!!
(salvation's not that hard)

Posted by: valskeet | January 3, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The "Obama is a Muslim/al qaeda sleeper agent" rumor is alive and well by looking through these posts. Slimebag faux news runs it as if it was actual news knowing full well that it is a lie, then refuses to retract when called. And more insidiously, scumbags continue to forward the slime email making the outrageous claims about Obama's past. All you conservative leaning folks need to wake up to the fact that the gop elite is CONNING YOU over and over again. What is it that bush said? fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, and shame...we ... we won't get fooled again....
The problem the Democrats have is that any one of the candidates running would be a good president. The problem the rpeublicons have ius that not a single one of their candidates has the remotest possibility of making a moderate president, more liekl they would just be worse versions of the idiot the gop has foisted on the nation for the past long long long seven years.

Posted by: John1263 | January 3, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I too have no way of knowing where this rumor comes from or if there is any truth to it; but let me assume (dream) for just a moment that it is true.

What excites me about the possibility of something like this report actually being true is the potential for a future deal bewteen exactly these two candidates. Joe Biden would be my second choice for President from the field of Democratic and Republican Candidates. If you ignore the polls and the money situation with the Biden camapaign, he only becomes that much more exciting. Obama/Biden has been my dream ticket for months. They have similarities that make them very compatible; yet they have the right differences to make them a very complimentary team. I think Democrats who have there eye on putting a Democrat in the Oval Office should be very excited about the possibility of an Obam/Biden ticket. I think Independents and all those who want the best leadership available for America should be positively salivating over the dream ticket of Obama/Biden!

We are still within the Twelve Days of Christmas, aren't we?

Posted by: diksagev | January 3, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me but there is no overflow in Iowa Caucuses. The delegates are alloted proportionally. Therefore your story makes no sense. The only deal that could have been struck is If Obama is unviable in any precint his supporters will be asked to go to another camp, but there are no guarentees and Iowa caucus goers ultimately can be pursuaded by anyone in the room and can make up their own minds.

Posted by: slbk | January 3, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Vimpy, you're way off on your assessment / comparison of Obama to Bush. Obama doesn't lack for cranial activity whereas our sitting President is joyfully called The Village Idiot by many and for good reason.

I agree with the post concerning potential deal making and that it would be virtually impossible to coordinate the movement of votes...

Posted by: pstein1360 | January 3, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

"Even if a deal were made it would be quite an exercise in logistics to monitor all the precincts and determine which ones are the ones where Biden support should be shifted to Obama and where Obama support should be shifted to Biden"

The way I understand 'the deal', the campaigns would work with their 'ground people' in the appropriate districts. While we don't have the info, the campaigns know which districts they're doing best in; for Biden this means picking several districts where he has the best chance of achieving 15% and getting a couple of Obama's ground people to convince a handful of folks to join the Biden folks. Not too hard. In the inverse (i.e. most of the state), where Biden isn't close to 15%, his ground people try to influence the Biden supporters to move to Obama in round 2 (i.e. once Biden's viability is proven insufficient to survive). The whole point of building the 'ground' organizations is to facilitate such moves. A simple email blast or even phone tree would be sufficient to publish the strategy to a campaign's ground people.

Posted by: bsimon | January 3, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey, maybe Obama learned a little something about politics up in Chicago after all!

Posted by: fpc | January 3, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I've been saying Obama/Biden '08 for like three months now.

They'd be a savage one-two punch in a general election. Obama's spirit and conviction with Biden's experience, straight-talk and fierce strength in debates and in the media. Talk about a crushingly awesome presidency.

Posted by: thecrisis | January 3, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I to believe that all these stories about deals are based more in rumor than in fact.

Even if a deal were made it would be quite an exercise in logistics to monitor all the precincts and determine which ones are the ones where Biden support should be shifted to Obama and where Obama support should be shifted to Biden. Then it would have to be communicated to the precincts.

Then you would have to make the assumption that all the people at the caucus are just robots that would automatically comply with the instructions of the campaign staffers.

The people who are attending these caucuses are political junkies of the first degree and unlikely to march in lockstep with any instructions.

if a candidate can make a deal like this and make it work all over Iowa then I will vote for that candidate.

Posted by: danielhancock | January 3, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

It's a travesty that someone as knowledgeable as Biden is not at the top of the heap. This is not a democracy, but a representative repulic and it's representative of the republic with the majority of the money.

Posted by: shag11 | January 3, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

As a reminder of the time when presidential candidates actually had to know something about foreign policy and how government works, Biden deserves to survive tonight's chaos and stay in the race. Eventually, he may be somebody's Secretary of State:

http://ajliebling.blogspot.com/2008/01/joe-bidens-last-hurrah.html

Posted by: connectdots | January 3, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

ANYONE BUT OBAMA..... THE GLIB SMOOTH TALKER!!! ANOTHER BUSH IN THE MAKING... WOULD BE THE FIRST MADRASA EDUCATED, DRUG USER, SELLER, ABUSER, MUSLIM, BLACK CANDIDATE TO BE THE US PRESIDENT !!! CHRIST SAVE US PLEASE !!!!!!!

Posted by: vimpy | January 3, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

If Biden doesn't win the presidency, which I think he should. Joe Biden should at least be the Head of the State Department as he has an imppecable grasp of foreign policy.

Posted by: tazmodious | January 3, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Ohio is the only state that matters, and no one in the Republican line up can win Ohio in the General Election. The only thing any democratic nominee has to do is win the Kerry 2004 states and Ohio, again which no one of the current Republican yahoos can win in 2008.

/game over. suck it up princess and good riddance to the Republicans in Congress who will get rofl-stomped at the polls.

Posted by: HillRat | January 3, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Interesting -- very different support groups. I imagine experience is a big appeal for Biden supporters, might then seem strange for a 2nd choice Obama. Similarity is both are very positive candidates, even their digs don't sound like digs.

Feeling the possibilities of a ticket though.

Posted by: petertu | January 3, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

oh. hell. yes. obama/biden '08 is the best possible ticket of ANY matchup.

in the words of smokin' joe himself: "god love 'im."

Posted by: esles2000 | January 3, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Where did this "trading insights" come from? I bet that from Mrs. Clinton's campaign staffers. Her famous handwriting of dirt pouring is all over this information. After the failure in Iowa, she, probably, would fire another staff member for the dissemination of this gossip.

Posted by: aepelbaum | January 3, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Somehow this new politics doesn't look all that new.

Posted by: jbrooks | January 3, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

They don't call politics "horse-trading" for nothing.

Posted by: JakeD | January 3, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

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