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Huckabee Says Flying Confederate Flag a State Issue


The Confederate flag still flies on the grounds of the S.C. state capitol. (Reuters).

By Perry Bacon Jr.
FLORENCE, S.C. -- Former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee is taking a different tone from his rival, Arizona Sen. John McCain on a controversial issue: the display of the Confederate flag.

"You don't want people from outside the state coming in and telling you what to do with your flag," Huckabee said in Myrtle Beach. "If somebody came to Arkansas and told us what to do with our flag, we'd tell 'em what to do with the pole."

In 2000, McCain said he thought the display of the flag on the Capitol dome was a statewide issue. After the campaign, he has said that the flag should actually not be displayed there.

Earlier this week in South Carolina, McCain said he "could not be more proud of the majority of the people of this state" who had backed his view that the flag should not be displayed.

In July 2000, the state passed a law removing the flag from atop the dome, but it remains on statehouse grounds.

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And, there were 93,000 free blacks who fought for the south. Although the north will say it's a lie, you can look at pictures from back then and see for yourself. Yes, the north had blacks too. But, there was one difference you can clearly see in the pictures, in the north the army was segregated, in the south IT WAS NOT. Then, after the north won, segregation went into law. WAKE THE HELL UP!

Posted by: trcy_burleson | February 11, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

That beautiful southern cross stands for a hell of a lot more than the stars and stripes does! The north wants you to believe the crap that the south fought to enslave blacks and that they hated freedom. If you believe that BS, you're too stupid to even talk to. Your southern ancestors fought to free you from the federal government in Washington who still today rules you with and iron fist and taxes you to death. No matter if every single person in America is against something, the government can still override them, THAT IS NOT A DEMOCRACY!!!! The southern government is still in power in the south, doesn't every state have its rights? Or so we think? The laws in the south are different from that of the north, as is all culture and beliefs. We are different. North and South can't get anything done because we can't agree on anything, wouldn't we be better off divided? That site is historic and the flag should stand everywhere in the south. A lot of southerners probably spilled their blood on those grounds. Did the Confederate give any less than the Union? Imagine a flag that millions died for. Imagine it being taken down, disgraced, ripped to shreds and burned. Now, imagine it was the USA flag. See how it feels?

Posted by: trcy_burleson | February 11, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

GO TO CSAGOV.ORG

The Confederate flag displayed in S.C. is the battle flag known as the St. Andrews cross - not the "Stars and Bars" which is the name for the First Confederate flag with a circle of stars and 3 bars.

The 3rd national Flag is still the official flag of the CSA which is still a nation - never surrendered, no peace treaty. Army Generals cannot surrender a nation, only Presdient Davis and he never did. CSA remains under occupation of US forces.

Constitution is only a compact between the states and each state is sovereign.

Posted by: akinlawoffice | January 22, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Huckabee...its not that it is the rebel flag-its the point that people just come in and tell you what to do with things you own...u have the freedom to fly any flag you wish....im from Arkansas--and he was right u tell us what to do with ANYTHING-not just our flag...we would tell you were to stick it!!...but people shouldnt tell them what they have to do with their property...especially people that dont even live in that state!

Posted by: bryanttennis09 | January 19, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

It has been reported that Huckabee wants to Restart the Civil War on Martin Luther King day weekend no less.......Basically tells South Carolina that rebel flag is his flag too...... Funny I thought there was only one flag... The one I learned to pledge allegiance to as young boy growing up in the middle of Ohio....... I do recall from history class that there was a flag that was put down in defeat in a great civil war... .....That flag has one place...In a museum...with all the other relics of that war.... I can't believe this guy has the nerve to run for President of "The United States of America" under what he must consider the wrong flag ?

Go Back to Arkansas..... they probably don't want you anymore either....

Posted by: Thatwasntfunny | January 19, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

Because if he meant it the way I did, he'd issue a caveat saying "while I don't support flying the confederate flag... blah blah blah." Instead Huckabee's using it as a wedge issue against McCain who was for the flag before he was politically lynched in that state, and decided to give some straight talk and say what it really symbolizes.

Still POSSIBLE you may think. Not POSSIBLE, I think.

Ask him on Super Tuesday when he's campaigning in California what he thinks of the flag.

Posted by: enkidu1 | January 19, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Mike Huckabee: "If somebody came to Arkansas and told us what to do with our flag, we'd tell them what to do with the pole. That's what we'd do."

"Go erect that pole in my neighbor state of Mississippi and hang their flag."


Posted by: mr_verification | January 19, 2008 6:08 AM | Report abuse

It has been reported that Huckabee wants to Restart the Civil War on Martin Luther King day weekend no less.......Basically tells South Carolina that rebel flag is his flag too...... Funny I thought there was only one flag... The one I learned to pledge allegiance to as young boy growing up in the middle of Ohio....... I do recall from history class that there was a flag that was put down in defeat in a great civil war... .....That flag has one place...In a museum...with all the other relics of that war.... I can't believe this guy has the nerve to run for President of "The United States of America" under the what he must consider the wrong flag ?

Go Back to Arkansas..... they probably don't want you anymore either....

Posted by: Thatwasntfunny | January 18, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

TomJx:

Have you ever watched "The Colbert Report"? He has ENDORSED Huckabee!!!

enkidu1:

So, when you just "agree[d] it is a state issue to decide to put the confederate flag on the state flag", was that also "pandering"? Why is it not POSSIBLE that Huckabee meant it exactly as you did?

Posted by: JakeD | January 18, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I'd agree; it is a state issue to decide to put the confederate flag on the state flag. I'd also agree that it is a state issue to decide to place a giant middle finger on the state flag, pretty much the same thing as the confederate flag in this case.

Huckabee's pandering now because he thinks it will help him. If he becomes the candidate, look for him to disavow the confederate flag and say he'd never support putting it on the Arkansas flag.

Not exactly a profile in courage.

Posted by: enkidu1 | January 18, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, jackson - my sentiments exactly. I find it doubly offensive that people like DocHowdy want to celebrate a "way of life", a "heritage" that involved enslaving people and almost destroyed the United States of America. That flag has consistently been used as a symbol of oppression and sedition. It belongs in a museum.

Posted by: LABC | January 18, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Anyone defending the Confederate flag is a treasonist and terrorist at heart if not in action. The confederate battle flag (it's not the real flag of the Confederate states) is a flag that was flown to inspire those who sought to kill U.S. soldiers during a war. Thousands upon thousands of our men in uniform gave the ultimate sacrifice to prevent that flag from flying and to free an enslaved people, as well as keep this great nation together. It is the flag of a stated enemy of the United States. It is the flag of a group that sought to keep the right to enslave humans. It is a flag of a group that sought to destroy the unity of the the greatest nation on earth. I rank anyone waving that flag with al quada, Hamas, and any other group that sought the destruction of the U.S. of A.

Posted by: jacksonsdc | January 18, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

The confederate flag is a symbol of treason against the government of the United States. Why on earth should it be allowed to fly over a state Capitol building?

Posted by: lobe96 | January 18, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

With all his references to Hollywood 'action' actors, Huckabee seems to be running against Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert in some Comedy Central race. Maybe he just wants his own TV show out of this - he had his own radio show before.

Posted by: TomJx | January 18, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

The KKK has the right to speak freely, they do not have the right to use tax dollars for the purpose of spreading hatred.
State properties are tax dollars.
The confederate flag is state property as well, as many taxes were used to design it, and to perpetuate its meaning. I would suggest that the use of a tax-created symbol by any person is not protected under "free" speech - as it incurs a cost to those who pay, or have paid, taxes.

Posted by: Benjamin2007 | January 18, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I wholehearedly agree with those who criticise Huckabee. The man is a dangerous loon.

Two weeks ago, in the journal Foreign Affairs, he criticised Bush foreign policy for its "arrogant bunker mentality", adding that "American foreign policy needs to change its tone and attitude, open up, and reach out".

Yesterday, in SC, he told GOP supporters:
"Ladies and gentlemen, we'll practice the Billy Jack school of foreign policy: This heel, on that side of your face, and there's not a thing you can do about it."

What a fraud, hypocrite and panderer.

Having said that, McCain gets off too lightly for his flip-flopping and pandering on the Stars and Bars issue. The only determinant of McCain's current position is which state's electorate he is trying to woo. Just another phony.


Posted by: Bud0 | January 18, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

2nd- Brandywine there is nothing wrong with comenting that there is a more appropriate way to word Gov. Huckabee's sentence.

Posted by: montypython2009 | January 17, 2008 11:22 PM

Montypython,
Thanks, for responding but the questions was not posed to you.
I don't see the significance in "brow-beating the comment. Shouldn't we really be more concerned about "pivoting issues" that affect most Americans instead of wasting time on blather by singling out revision of statements?

Personally, I don't want a SBC in the White House, they tend to be too rigid, dogmatic with their beliefs, and care more about the results of an issue then caring about how the results will affect the individuals.

Many times, SBC are the least people to show unconditional love, compassion, and understanding when people face difficult situations. They are not realist in the sense that if one confesses to be a Christian perfection is expected. If they want perfection let them look to God and not man; humans make mistakes it is an unfailing law.

I'm leaning toward Edwards for the WH, but still pondering the issue.

Best regards

Posted by: brandywine | January 18, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Bong Hits 4 Huckabee

Posted by: Uoughtano | January 18, 2008 7:36 AM | Report abuse

The Confederate States of America existed from 1861 to 1865. During this time, NOT ONE SLAVE was ever brought to North America under the flag of the Confederacy. Every slave ever brought to America was transported under one of three banners: 1. the British Union Jack, 2. the Portugese flag, or 3. The Stars and Stripes of the United States of America. Since no slaves were ever brought to this continent under a Confederate flag (EVER), does this mean the American flag (under which thousands of slaves came) is a racist symbol?

The First National Flag of the Confederacy was Red, White, and Blue, just like its Union counterpart. During the battle of First Mannasses (Bull Run), there was a lot of confusion because both armies were trying to rally around a red, white and blue banner. Therefore, a Confederate General decided to use a more distinctive flag to resolve the confusion. The "X" in the Confederate Battle Flag has its roots in the flag of Scotland, which is the same design, only different colors (yellow and green versus red and blue). Also, "X" is the first letter in "Christ" in the koine greek of the New Testament. Therefore, the design of the battle flag was in part due to the 75% Scotch/Irish population of the South at that time, as well as the overwhelming Protestant influence in the South. Therefore, you can make the arguement that the Confederate Battle Flag is acutally a Christian flag, couldn't you?

Finally, at the time of the War of Northern Agression (it wasn't a "Civil War" because the participants were independent, sovereign nations), only 5% of the CSA population were slave owners. If slavery was the root cause of the war, is it logical to assume that 95% of the population went to war so that the other 5% could keep their slaves? Sounds like somebody has been revising history, doesn't it?

Posted by: DocHowe | January 18, 2008 6:31 AM | Report abuse

The great majority of the men who fought, bled and died for that flag had NOTHING to do with slavery. They were fighting to keep from being enslaved by Washington. Racists, black and white, have used the flag to cause unnecessary controversy over it by telling lies about what it meant and means. Governor Huckabee is the only one in this field who has had the guts not to pander to them. McCain showed his lack of principles back in 2000, when he first said the issue was up to SC, then, after he lost in SC, called for the banning of the flag, admitting at the time that he, in his own words, "compromised his principles to get votes." My question is "what principles?" People who hate the Confederate flag are merely ignorant of what it meant to the men who died for it...or deliberately lying to pervert its meaning and stir up unnecessary controversy. Oh, and quite a few men who served under that flag were black Southerners. It is an insult to their memory to insult the flag.

Posted by: jfpankow | January 18, 2008 5:44 AM | Report abuse

I Love this Country, and Will Stand up for it. The USA is the best country in the world as far as I am concerned, however we do have a dark past with the indians, the South, and others.
Mike Huckabee stands up for the unborn, for States Rights, and for the Freedom of Religion, not the Freedom from Religion.

He has my vote.

Posted by: cwfarms | January 18, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

I Love this Country, and Will Stand up for it. The USA is the best country in the world as far as I am concerned, however we do have a dark past with the indians, the South, and others.
Mike Huckabee stands up for the unborn, for States Rights, and for the Freedom of Religion, not the Freedom from Religion.

He has my vote.

Posted by: cwfarms | January 18, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

I Love this Country, and Will Stand up for it. The USA is the best country in the world as far as I am concerned, however we do have a dark past with the indians, the South, and others.
Mike Huckabee stands up for the unborn, for States Rights, and for the Freedom of Religion, not the Freedom from Religion.

He has my vote.

Posted by: cwfarms | January 18, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

When He becomes President, I am sure he will visit Lee's farm that his wife, Martha Washington's granddaughter inherited. Because Arlington is now a National Cemetary and is an honored place, North and South

Posted by: cwfarms | January 17, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Long live the Party of the Confederacy! What did you expect a Republican to say? I'm surprised Huckabee didn't visit Robert E. Lee's tomb. Only in America do rebels and slaveholders still get to wave their flag 150 years after they got their butts kicked.

Posted by: vfazio | January 17, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Well said cwfarms, it is good to see another informed individual. but it is late and i do not feel like arguing with the incompetents anymore.

Posted by: montypython2009 | January 17, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

3rd- Nestamanchris, yes Huckabee was referring to his own state of Arkansas if you couldnt tell by reading the sentence. SC was not part of the issue. And just because your friends think it should be taken down doesnt mean that there are others in different parts of the state that think differently. Humans tend to group with other individuals who share their views and therefore it is logical that your aquaintances probably share most of your opinions.

4th- Californialiberal Lincoln was closer to Hitler than Huckabee is. Lincoln committed genocide against the Native Americans and also became a dictator-of-sorts in his terms of office. He is no Hitler but he is much much closer than any President I can think of. And dont descriminate against Baptists, nor any other religion for that matter, while you try to trashtalk another individual, you may just find it makes you out to be a hypocrite.

5th- Spectator 2 you never responded to my previous question because you are an ignorant fool and have no counter-argument

Posted by: montypython2009 | January 17, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

We all know that there were 8 different succession attempts before 1861, all from the north, and that each state held the right to succession as condition of approving the constitution. Lee freed his slaves before the war, Grant held on to his even after the war, Jeff Davis had the slaves on his plantation to form a democracy with elected positions, and a judical system all by the slaves. Huckabee was correct about States Rights, and that the Federal Gov. should remember. There was no talk of war 20 years before The Southern States succeded when New York held a Succession Convention which was unsuccessful.

Also why would anyone think that the Confederate Battle Flag had anything to do with racism. The history of the flag has to do with freedom, going back to Scottland, even during the time of Braveheart, with a similar flag flying centuries before the war of Northern Agression. The North invaded a soverign country, burned, raped, and destroyed a people, and yes it is over, and the south lost, however the federal government still needs to remember that the States were given rights in the Constitution, and no the War was not about slavery, it took three years before they even brought it up. The North's plea was to preserve the Union, but what they really wanted was the goods to supply the industrial factories in the North. I think that Mike will be a great President

Posted by: cwfarms | January 17, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Wow is there a lot of clearing up to do. 1st- officermanusco im sorry if i seemed sarcastic in my remark but i was being sincere. I was truly curious as to whether someone out there both knew, and celebrated, both holidays. By the way i agree with all of your sentiments wholeheartedly, except for your placing Lee in the same sentence as Grant and Lincoln. Grant and Lincoln, although undoubtedly geniuses in their own areas of expertise, were bigger white supremecists and bigots than many Southern officials and generals. Lincoln was in favor of deporting all the newly freed slaves to Liberia or Haiti. He shared the sentiment of most Northerners that slavery was as hated as the black race was. Lee, meanwhile, freed all the slaves that he inherited from his wife. And that was long before the war.Grant kept his own slaves until the 13th ammendment was passed, and his policy of "total war" is despicable to me.
2nd- Brandywine there is nothing wrong with comenting that there is a more appropriate way to word Gov. Huckabee's sentence.

Posted by: montypython2009 | January 17, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it folks, this clown's name is Huckabee. Eventually the trailer park goober redneck is going to come out.

Sha-ZAM, he's a moron!

Posted by: Spectator2 | January 17, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Who knows, maybe that good ole boy Huckabee keeps the stars and bars next to his white sheet, besides that picture of Hitler, and a copy of Mein Kampf stacked on top of his Baptist Bible...

Posted by: californialiberal | January 17, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

"You don't want people from outside the state coming in and telling you what to do with your flag," Huckabee said in Myrtle Beach. "If somebody came to Arkansas and told us what to do with our flag, we'd tell 'em what to do with the pole."
_______________________________

I'm from SC and I hardly know a handful of people who would even remotely consider the confederate flag "their" flag. In fact, I know more who'd like to see it removed altogether, or who are at least glad it isn't flying over the statehouse. I sure don't consider it my flag.

It sounds like Huck's referring to the Arkansas state flag. If so that's nowhere near a logical comparison. If "they" were telling "us" to remove the SC state flag, I would have a problem, but that's not the issue.

Just another reason to vote Obama on Jan 26 and hopefully November...

Posted by: nestamanchris | January 17, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

"If somebody came to Arkansas and told us what to do with our flag, we'd tell 'em what to do with the pole.

I'd have thought a man who passes himself off as a Christian minister could have come up with a more felicitous expression of this sentiment."

Posted by: officermancuso, January 17, 2008 09:11 PM

Excuse me officermancuso where is the wrong in what Huckabee said? No, don't tell me it is evident that your judgment came from a self-righteous pompous egomaniac that is void of any wrongdoing.

How do you know that Huckabee wouldn't have said, "take your pole and bury it some where?" When you stop "PLAYING GOD" then perhaps you will start thinking logical again and not like King Nebuchadrezzar, out of touch with reality!

I am not a fan of Huckabee's either but pal you need a reality check. NEWSFLASH, THE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND YOU AND YOU OPINION IS NOT OMNIPOTENT.

Please forgive me in advance if I misjudged you in that you do not know any better then to bash people's character, put them down, and degrade. But your constant degrading of people shows that you have a poor self-image and you need to look like "the know it all and the be all in everything." ANOTHER NEWSFLASH, THAT TYPE OF ATTITUDE IS WHAT DRIVES PEOPLE AWAY.

Posted by: brandywine | January 17, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

"Huckabee Says Flying Confederate Flag a State Issue"


So was the Civil War, Mr. Huck.... .

Huckabee isn't the only one...I'm listening with all ears and cannot believe the garbage that I hear.

Is the American body politic really this dumb?

The stuff coming outta the mouths of demos and repos is a pandering to thems the lowest and those of the lowest lacka knowledge base.

I've driven through Arkansas many a time along I-40. I stop for a glance at a town, a local newspaper and a bite to eat.

And I've learned that flags notwithstanding the people are generally wholesome, friendly and good.

I've also learned that gov. huckxxx lost a lot of weight. And made state weight a priority of his administration. Made nutrition a mission. And for this govhuck should be commended.

But the stuff his says as a presidential candidate...a representative of the usa in the world arena...no. Flat out no.

Saw FRIED PIE on a menu. Real fried pie. Probably apple.

I've never seen that before. Never heard of it. So I ordered.

Kinda like voting for Huckxxx outta curiosity.

So I took one look at the fried pie, one sniff of the fried pie, and one small taste of that fried pie. Paid for it and left.

Let's not do the same when electing a president.

Let's not buy into that fried pie.

Posted by: jato1 | January 17, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Montypython, you are perhaps having fun at my expense, but I gladly celebrate Dr. King, General Lee and General Jackson together.

Here's how they seem to me to fit. Those who lost in the civil war did not advocate bitterness against the victors - I'm speaking primarily of Lee here. And the Rev. Dr. King called this country to be true to its roots in the Declaration of Independence, and called on his own followers to be insistent but nonviolent.

We are lucky to live in a place where the leaders of opposing stripes have been so generous with their adversaries. Grant. Lee. Lincoln. King. We don't have the bitterness that exists to this day in, say, northern Ireland, or Lebanon. We should be thankful that this is the case, and each do our part to ensure that the USA does not *become* a place like those.

Posted by: officermancuso | January 17, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

War Between the States please, and yes by the way it was a states issue. I fail to see your point, however. Thomas Jefferson was a strict constructionist of the Constitution and would have been appalled at the violations against this document that were being committed in the antebellum period of the war. Mr. Huckabee, although somewhat crude in his defense of the issue, is simply upholding the same beliefs that old TJ stood for.

Posted by: montypython2009 | January 17, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

"Huckabee Says Flying Confederate Flag a State Issue"


So was the Civil War, Mr. Huck.... .

Posted by: jato1 | January 17, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Ah infuse but that is the ignorance that is omnipresent in todays society. Because Hollywood has misrepresented the Southern Cross as a racist symbol, everyone seems to believe it to be so. Truly, the Confederate Flag is no more racist than any other flag, yet because everyone wants to appear "intellectual" they seize views of other people on TV and use them as their own. Call me crazy, but i think that actors are not the most intelligent people in the world.

Posted by: montypython2009 | January 17, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I've often been curious about why one flag can symbolically represent such resentment, but another, equally symbolic representation does not. Which flag flew over the Trail of Tears? And why is there no discussion of its symbolism of death, destruction, hate and bigotry that continues upon the Cherokee Nation today? Or the need to remove that symbolism from anywhere?

Posted by: infuse | January 17, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Well said officermanusco - Shall you,like me, be celebrating two holidays this Monday? For those of you who dont know, Martin Luther Day falls on the same day as Lee Jackson Day. I am no racist, and the celebrated and eloquent Martin Luther King Jr. shall be remembered and respected alongside my true southern heroes, Lee and Jackson. All three were truly great men who died with dignity and reside now in God's kingdom.

Posted by: montypython2009 | January 17, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Ironically, Martin Luther King, Jr. Day (I wonder why I've never made that connection before?).

Posted by: JakeD | January 17, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

CORRECTION: Jackson would have been 183-year old next Monday, January 21st.

Posted by: JakeD | January 17, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Spectator2: You said;
The rights to own slaves, that is. What other rights were allegedly being usurped by the government?

Please open a history book and you would realize the stupidity of your question. The North actually offerred to pass an amendmant letting the South keep slavery indefinitely if they came back to the Union. They refused. Did you know that the South tried to free their slaves in return for independence? Of course the North rejected this compromise. The war was not about slavery. Slavery played a role, yes, but as a figurehead for states rights. The tariff was the real problem. And as far as someone saying they changed their excuse for secession after the war... What?!? He is truly an ignorant propaganda blinded Yankee. But i do not want to lecture on history. The flag, as much as I respect it, should not fly above state buildings. I believe they should fly over any memorial to the brave Southern soldiers (80% of whom never owned a slave) as well as in museums. As to my SCV brothers, I suggest we fly the Stainless Banner or the Stars N Bars. Flying the Southern Cross will oneday get us killed by the perpetual ignorancy that has been born in this parentage of "political correctness".

Posted by: montypython2009 | January 17, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Jake, yeah! And a hearty curse on anyone who says crap like "south carolina proves once again that it is a land of ignorant redneck backwater scum. the rebel flag is a racist symbol of a past that all in this country should hang their heads in deep sorror (if black) or shame (if white). I see it as no different than a swastika."

Posted by: officermancuso | January 17, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

1180:

Any STATE has the right to fly the swastika too. What part of the CONSTITUTION are you people not understanding?!

Posted by: JakeD | January 17, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Well, maybe, but "Stonewall" Jackson would be 183-years-old today, so maybe dementia would have at least set in by now?

Posted by: JakeD | January 17, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

south carolina proves once again that it is a land of ignorant redneck backwater scum. the rebel flag is a racist symbol of a past that all in this country should hang their heads in deep sorror (if black) or shame (if white). I see it as no different than a swastika.

Posted by: 1180 | January 17, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Jake, what I most remember about Robert E. Lee is the incident after the war where a black person went forward to receive Holy Communion in his parish, and no white person would rise to follow. Robert E. Lee stood and went to the communion rail.

What I most remember about Thomas J. Jackson is his pre-war violation of Virginia's laws by teaching black children to read in Sunday school so that they could learn to read the Bible.

I am certain that Lee and Jackson would today ask for a decent respect for the terrible sacrifices made by Confederate soldiers during the Civil War - and that request involves a decent respect for the flag they carried into the battles in which so many lost their lives.

I am even more certain that they would be appalled that some people who seem unable to accept the outcome of that war use the flag beneath which Confederates fought as an excuse for continuing to cause hard feelings concerning what is now a settled matter.

Think, again, of Lee going forward to receive Holy Communion. I'm not so sure that, given time, Lee wouldn't have stood tall for interracial marriage.

Posted by: officermancuso | January 17, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

They should restrict the Confederate flag to its natural habitat, Nascar races.

Posted by: InvisibleSprite | January 17, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I think the flag should be alowed to stay on the capitol grounds because the cs flag does not represent slavery it represents heritage and this is comeing from chicago so dont bother callin me trailer trash

Posted by: godfather459 | January 17, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

P.S. to officermancuso -- Episcopalian Robert E. Lee and Presbyterian Thomas J. Jackson would have been offended by inter-racial marriage too -- so?

Posted by: JakeD | January 17, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

LOL -- I say above that it's the "morally right" thing to take the flag off the building (but simply point out there's not legal prohibition) and I'm a "racist"? This is going to be a very interesting race if Obama indeed gets the nomination.

Posted by: JakeD | January 17, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Jake, once you read enough to learn that Episcopalian Robert E. Lee and Presbyterian Thomas J. Jackson would have been offended by the huckster's comments, you'll find that you have elected to occupy a very, very narrow slice of ground.

Posted by: officermancuso | January 17, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

This is why he can't be president:
He has lost his sense of right and wrong.

Posted by: vigor | January 17, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

You attend one of those Blacks-only churches up in the Chicago area, by chance?

JakeD, you keep up that tenacious strict-constitutional persona as long as you can, but eventually the far-right racist peeks out. Had to happen eventually.

Incidentally, whether a state has the right to fly the Confederate flag is irrelevant -- it's a moral question, not a legal one.

Posted by: words_and_music | January 17, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

ita8111:

Here, in America, there's this thing called the Constitution and the FIRST AMENDMENT which protects even reprehensible speech -- the words "world community" do not appear in said document -- let me know if you have any further questions.

Posted by: JakeD | January 17, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Racism and symbols of racism are not "State" issues, they are "world community" issues also.

There is no place for racism in this world.

Just as you would balk at a flag with a swastika being displayed any where in the world, the confederate flag is a symbol of "racism" and should be banned from all forms of display.

BTW did Huckabee really say that part about the flag pole?

Reprehensible!

Posted by: ita8111 | January 17, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

You attend one of those Blacks-only churches up in the Chicago area, by chance?

Posted by: JakeD | January 17, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Jake, not a joke I'd care to hear in my church.

Posted by: officermancuso | January 17, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

It's a joke, Officer -- lighten up, why don't ya?

Posted by: JakeD | January 17, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

"If somebody came to Arkansas and told us what to do with our flag, we'd tell 'em what to do with the pole."

I'd have thought a man who passes himself off as a Christian minister could have come up with a more felicitous expression of this sentiment.

Posted by: officermancuso | January 17, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

first instance of "political correctness" was the effort by secessionists after the Civil War to say that it was really about "states' rights," when the same people before the war were spewing about Yankee efforts to interfere with their personal, "God-given" rights to own other human beings . . .

Plenty of books show the change, using newspaper editorials, speeches, sermons, and other public expressions.

Posted by: sdeleve | January 17, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Mike Huckabee is an Idiot he would be a very good Clown in Cheif. I am not voting Democrat ever but, if an evangelical like Mike Huckabee gets in I am sitting out this year.

Posted by: irizarryrafael | January 17, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

A majority of South Carolinians never voted to remove the flag from the dome. If there has been a referendum to do so, it would have been soundly defeated. The legislature passed the bill and the governor signed it. That's why he was voted out of office the next election. The legislature was simply bought off by the Chamber of Commerce, which never met a dollar it wouldn't sacrifce any principle for.

The bill was a compromise: the flag was to be moved from the top of the dome to the grounds. Now the Rap revisionists want to welch on the deal.

McCain is a sleaze with no principles. Witness the Keating affair. The press corps loves him because he is free and easy with quotes they can't get from anyone else. He would be nowhere without the fawning media elite.

Posted by: threedy | January 17, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

You've got to give it to Huckabee. "We will tell what do with the pole," this must be the quote of year. Just hilarious.

Posted by: tevste | January 17, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Somebody ask McCain again, NOW, whether he thinks it's a matter of states' rights.

Ask him before the primary whether he thinks that flag should be flying on the capitol grounds.

Then ask him again, after the primary.

Posted by: Bud0 | January 17, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

meatshield:

I'm pretty sure these people have never read the 10th Amendment ; )

Posted by: JakeD | January 17, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

postbad567:

I guess you think it tells us all a lot about me, as well, since I don't think it's a federal issue either (see above).

Posted by: JakeD | January 17, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

"The rights to own slaves, that is. What other rights were allegedly being usurped by the government?"

General states' rights as a matter of principle perhaps?

Posted by: meatshield | January 17, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

My ancestors, on both sides, fought in the Civil War on the side of the South. But, geez, that was 160 years ago. Get over it. Today, flying that flag is just bigotry, plain and simple. The 'state's rights' thing is just another way of saying that a bigoted majority somehow has a 'right' to insult a minority. Majorities are not guaranteed to be right, and rarely are. They almost always revert to 'protect our tribe against them outsiders, since we're in the majority.' This isn't state's rights, whatever that once meant -- this is bigots holding on for dear life to a past they will not recognize is gone. The good governor or Arkansas is hoping for the votes of those people, since those in the minority in SC aren't likely to be considering him as an option. Where else is he getting votes. The problem is, he has no shame. Tells us all a lot about him.

Posted by: postbad567 | January 17, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

jm917:

As I said above, I would love to see the Supreme Court cite holding that STATES cannot fly whatever flag they want under the Stars & Stripes? This is NOT a federal issue. Read the Constitution.

Posted by: JakeD | January 17, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Huckabee's going to do very well in places where they're still fighting on the wrong side of the Civil War. You can't go wrong appealing to the lowest common denominator.

Posted by: dfc102 | January 17, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

"South Carolineans, and others in the South and many in the North fought for their own rights."

The rights to own slaves, that is. What other rights were allegedly being usurped by the government?

Posted by: Spectator2 | January 17, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Governor Huckabee, this is NOT merely a state affair.

First: The Confederate flag is the symbol of a state-sanctioned rebellion against the United States of America. For the state that once was in the forefront of nullification and secession to give official sanction to flaunt this banner of Disunion should be an insult to patriotic Americans.

Second, in the twentieth century the Confederate flag was appropriated (not inappropriately) as the acknowledged symbol and rallying device of white racists. It has about the same meaning for African Americans and other minorities (including Jews and Roman Catholics) as the swastika for those who suffered under Nazism. For a state to sanction its official display is not merely insensitive, but in-your-face offensive.

Privately flying the Confederate flag ought to be protected under the same free-speech rules that also permit flag burning. Both are distasteful but (unless carried out in the manner of a shout of "Fire!" in a public venue) harmless eccentricities.

But keep that bloody rebel rag away from public buildings! And let the bones of John C. Calhoun moulder in his grave.

Posted by: jm917 | January 17, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Can't we just burn the damn flag and forget about it! Go Rudy 2008

Posted by: irizarryrafael | January 17, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Stone Mountain this site of annual KKK rallies elected a black mayor in the recent past. Using the N word is looked at publicly with astonishment if a white person uses it and is getting its fair criticism in rap. For many blacks the Confedate flag equates to oppression. The state sensibly removed it from its flag.

Posted by: jameschirico | January 17, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

We have endured 8 years of Sleaze, Scandal, and Corruption under Bill and Hillery followed by 8 years of Arrogance, Corruption, Criminal Incompetence and Gross Stupidly under Bush Jr.. and Chicken Hawk Chaney. Either party cares about our Constitution and the rule of Law, Their priorities are self first, the party second, special interests third, American Citizens and the Future of this Nation is not even on their list until election time then they pull out their spin, lies and attack ads again to get elected, after which they go back to their priorities.

It is increasingly looking like this Nation cannot survive more years of the same type of Corrupt, Lying, Self serving, Worthless Politicians that support and allow the largest invasion of a Nation in world history. While ignoring Article IV Section IV of our Constitution against invasion, and our Immigration laws. They have refused to aide by our Constitution, refused to enforce the very laws they passed and dishonored their oath of office!

Now both parties seen to have the nearly the same type candidates seeking our vote. From the polls it seems we have learned very little in the least 16 years and seem to prefer Sleaze, Corruption and Lies over Honor, Principles, our Constitution, and the Rule of law or Ron Paul would win the election by a wide margin.

I alone with millions of others are sick of both Clinton's and Bush's they have did more than enough damage to this Nation. Let them begone!

Posted by: american1 | January 17, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

setting aside the issue of race, black reaction and slavery for 2 seconds (god forbid we do it longer than that), any of you who have bothered to read any contemporary writings during the War Between the States will readily acknowledge that slavery was by far from the only issue. South Carolineans, and others in the South and many in the North fought for their own rights, and believed as in the case of the Commonwealth of Virginia, that they were being invaded to be conquered. Spend a little time with the history books, people, not just with what is considered politically correct today. You will have a far better understanding of what the Union really stands for.

Posted by: forces | January 17, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

mnjam:

Why would they want to "kill me" for fighting for their rights?! BTW: I don't have "Pure tolerance" on everything -- for instance, I am 100% anti-abortion and special homosexual rights -- when it comes to the First Amendment, however, I would even fight to the death for someone's right to advocate the REPEAL of said free speech rights.

Posted by: JakeD | January 17, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

The confederate flag belongs in a museum. Nowhere else. They tried to break-up the Union, for heaven's sake.

Posted by: AMviennaVA | January 17, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Would you agree that even Klan members are protected under the First Amendment -- I may disagree with what they stand for, by I would fight to the death for their right to free speech. JakeD | January 17, 2008 05:45 PM

Jake D;

Noble sentiments but also sentiments that the KKK might want to kill you for. Pure tolerance is the enemy of toleration.

Posted by: mnjam | January 17, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

The "Stars and Bars" is not the SC State Flag.

It is the flag of the Confederate States of America.

It's all about "pride." But pride in what? Slavery? Destroying the United States in order to preserve slavery? Or what?

Perhaps people in South Carolina should take pride in the pivotal role played by the South in from the United States to begin with. Perhaps they should fly the American Flag.

Apparently, South Carolinians have come to conclusion. It takes a trailer park trash demagogue and barbarian like Huckabee to see it otherwise.

Posted by: mnjam | January 17, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

parkerfl:

Would you agree that even Klan members are protected under the First Amendment -- I may disagree with what they stand for, by I would fight to the death for their right to free speech.

Posted by: JakeD | January 17, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Very nice for a man of God to take the side of hateful bigots on a non-issue in the rest of the country. I'm all for heritage, but flying the CS flag above any important government building - let alone the state capitol - is ridiculous. Besides, that was 5+ years ago. Drop it.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl | January 17, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

TomJx:

No, I don't see the difference -- I'd love to see the Supreme Court cite holding that STATES cannot fly whatever flag they want under the Stars & Stripes? Of course, if you think such a question could only be asked by a "fake" and "liar" then no need to provide the cite : )

Posted by: JakeD | January 17, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

There are actually two issues here which have been conflated.

Should the Confederate fly OVER the dome of a state capitol?
Correct answer: No. A flag flying over a state's executive, legislative or judicial buildings implies the government symbolized by that flag is in charge. Therefore, that IS a federal issue to a certain extent. The U.S. and (current) state flags are the only appropriate flags to fly in this position and manner.

Should the Confederate flag fly elsewhere?
Correct answer: That's up to each state. If the citizens of that state want a Confederate flag elsewhere on state government grounds, or in history museums, that should be of no overriding interest to the federal government.

Do you see the difference?

Posted by: TomJx | January 17, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not saying Sen McCain changed his position"

...like Perry Bacon, Springfield High Gazette's star reporter, tries to insinuate he did.

Posted by: zukermand | January 17, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"But Huckabee... said it was a state issue."

Of course, this is nonresponsive.

And I'm not saying Sen McCain changed his position, although he does that as often if not more than the rest, just that the 2000 position, and Huckabee's, are typical GOP pandering to the racist base.

Posted by: zukermand | January 17, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"In 2000, McCain said he thought the display of the flag was a statewide issue. After the campaign, he has said that the flag should not be displayed. "


That's not possible. Sen McCain is universally regarded as a "Straight Talker".

It says so right on the side of his bus.

Posted by: zukermand | January 17, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

It is a State issue though -- I agree the majority of the STATE's citizens made the morally right choice too -- if you haven't yet read about the LIMITED powers granted to the federal government, I highly recommend you read it some day.

Posted by: JakeD | January 17, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

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