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McCain's GOP: Big Tent or Badly Fractured?


Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Arnold Schwarzenegger: The new faces of the GOP? (Dan Balz).

By Dan Balz
LOS ANGELES -- The leaders of a new Republican Party gathered on the factory floor at a solar energy facility in Los Angeles Thursday morning: John McCain, Rudy Giuliani and Arnold Schwarzenegger. It was a tableau that makes the old Republican Party shudder.

The three Republicans used the factory as a backdrop for Schwarzenegger to lend his support to McCain's presidential campaign. After his victory in Florida on Tuesday and Giuliani's endorsement on Wednesday and more endorsements to come, McCain is now rolling toward wrapping up the Republican nomination as early as next Tuesday.

If he does so, it will cap his remarkable comeback, one of the more astonishing resurrections in the modern history of presidential nomination battles. McCain's determination and durability have carried him through multiple setbacks that produced enough predictions of his imminent demise to leave egg on the faces of nearly every political strategist and commentator around.

But the scene here Thursday morning pointed to a raging question inside both the Republican and Democratic parties: Will a McCain nomination leave the GOP fractured, with its base demoralized, or is he the ideal candidate to field against the Democrats after eight years of President Bush?

It took only seconds for the question to arise at McCain's joint press conference with Schwarzenegger and Giuliani. Is there a downside to this image, he was asked?

"You will see a flood of endorsements across the country...both liberal and conservative," McCain responded. "I am prepared and succeeding in uniting [the Republican Party]. We need all parts of our party together if we're going to win in November. I believe our party is beginning to realize that."

The Arizona senator's upbeat appraisal of the state of his party reflects the aspirations of someone who has spent the better part of the last four years attempting to move from maverick to establishment Republican. Now in the final stages of locking down the nomination, he believes the consolidation he long has sought is beginning to happen.

Others have a different view. "Arnold coming in really brings the conservative coalition together," GOP strategist Greg Mueller said with a laugh during a phone interview just before the McCain-Schwarzenegger event. "My view is that there obviously continues to be a rocky relationship between Senator McCain and conservatives."

Democratic pollster Mark Mellman sees a major rift brewing within the dispirited Republican Party, which he said is far different from what Democrats are likely to face even after the intense and sometimes nasty personal battle between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

"John McCain is winning without the base of the Republican Party," he said. "Without evangelicals. Without conservatives. He's going to have a much more fractured, much more divided party than are we."

The Democratic race, he argued, is far different. "It's personal," he said. "Both are trying to win. Elbows get thrown. But on the Republican side it's fundamental and ideological."

The Florida results help to underscore the divisions within the GOP as McCain, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee and Ron Paul continue campaigning for votes in the 21 states with GOP contests next Tuesday.

McCain ran third among white evangelical Christians. He ran 20 points behind Romney among those Florida voters who described themselves as very conservative. He won moderate Republicans handily while splitting with Romney those who said they were "somewhat conservative."

The primary was limited only to registered Republicans. Among those who called themselves Republicans, McCain split the vote with Romney. Among those registered Republicans who called themselves independents, McCain won overwhelmingly. McCain lost among the two-thirds of Florida Republican voters who had positive feelings toward President Bush but won among those with negative feelings.

Those divisions -- coupled with the vociferous opposition of conservatives like Rush Limbaugh -- suggest that McCain has considerable work ahead of him, should he effectively wrap up the nomination, to reassure the party's conservative base that he will be true to its values.

McCain will take an early step toward healing his division with the right by appearing at the annual Conservative Political Action Conference next month -- an event he notably skipped last early during the early stages of the nomination battle.

McCain advisers are confident that over time he will unite the party -- and, more important, that he will be able to do so without compromising his ability to appeal to independents in a general election.

The senator addressed those twin priorities on Thursday morning, asserting that he hopes to create a truly big-tent Republican party in the image of "Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and Ronald Reagan." He predicted that conservatives ultimately will support his candidacy in part because of his hawkish views on national security and the threat of Islamic radicalism.

But he was quick to remind those within the Republican coalition that they alone cannot win the presidency for any GOP nominee. "I also have been able to gain the support of independents," he said, "which is vital to winning any national election.

Glen Bolger, a Republican pollster, said in an email message Thursday that those independents are critical to the party's hopes of winning, especially after their shift to the Democrats in 2006.

"A difficulty our party faces is that party ID [identification] has shifted the last two years in favor of the Democrats, instead of being tied," he wrote. "So we need a nominee who can appeal to independents."

Bolger also made the point that other Republicans have noted recently. "Nothing will unite the Republican party base better than the prospect of a Hillary Clinton presidency," he added. "The big mistake a lot of GOP campaigns made in 2006 was ignoring independent voters and focusing on the base. If she's the Democratic nominee, Senator McCain or governor Romney will be able to focus on swing voters for the general election."

Some findings from a recent NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll underscore the belief that Clinton is the great GOP unifier. Among all voters, her image was 47 percent positive, 41 percent negative -- the best she's recorded since 2001. Among Republican evangelical Christians, it was 8 percent positive and 81 percent negative. Seventy-five percent of straight-ticket Republican voters and 68 percent of Republican evangelicals said they had "very negative" views of the New York senator.

"If McCain is the nominee, the gnashing of teeth and rending of garments will come from the professional, inside-the-Beltway conservatives, not from heartland conservatives who actually matter because their only agenda is making sure Hillary Clinton won't be president," Bolger argued.

Even if Obama is the Democratic nominee, argued some GOP strategists Thursday, the Republican Party will be unified if only because his liberal voting record will stand in stark contrast to McCain's generally conservative views. The challenge, as they see it, will be to hold the base and reach out to swing voters.

But other GOP strategists worry about possible lack of enthusiasm with a McCain nomination. The nomination battles have highlighted the enthusiasm gap between the two parties, with Democrats seemingly much more energized than Republicans. In a close election, a demoralized or even tepidly enthusiastic base could cost the Republican nominee dearly in battleground states.

McCain's endorsement strategy sends a politically potent message as he seeks to finish off the competition with Romney next week, and if he is correct that over time he will have a bundle of endorsements from all wings of the party, that too will be an important symbol.

But his history with the party's conservative wing is one of antagonism, distrust and suspicion. That won't fade without an effort on his part to kiss and makeup -- a process that might make him less attractive to some of those independents he believes he'll be able to woo and win in a general election.

By Web Politics Editor  |  January 31, 2008; 3:05 PM ET
Categories:  Dan Balz's Take , John McCain  
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All three have one thing in common. They could all stand as "Old School" Democrats. Pre-Teddy. While the GOP has absorbed many of these moderates due to the leftist tendencies of the Socialist Democrats, this group is try very hard to splinter the GOP Base by pulling the Stunt they are. Mavericks? I would call them Dissenters and Seditionists. They need to stop trying to buck the Party, or admit they are out to make a Statement, not win an Election.

FACT, being Old, a Senator, a Limited knowledged Military/ National Security Expert, and a Legislator-McCain has VICE Presidential Quality, Written all over him!

As the 51Rst Senator, he is perfect! As the Executive Statesman, he is left "Wanting"!

A "Forced" "Shotgun Wedding", between McPain and Mitt, would heal the Fracture, and unite the base with BOTH Qualified Candidates where they both BELONG! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | February 1, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I would rather vote for the Wolf (Hillary or Obama) then the wolf in sheep's clothing (McCain). At least with the Dems, we know what we are getting and can stand against it. With McCain, he will slowly but surely move the party left.

Posted by: pccu | February 1, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

pstylee,

As an artillery man myself, I absolutely agree with your comments. Yet, while I do not support McCain in his "principles" if you can call them that even though they are wrong. This war is not a personal war. It is a war of democracy and preserving our right to live in freedom along with the rights of others to have the same God given rights. So, in principle, John McCain, who panders to the left and to the right to win votes will likely destroy his own country in the name of destroying the radical jihadists. I understand what it is like to loose friends in war. Out of my high school graduating class of 363, 38 of my class mates are now dead from wars in Iraq and in Kewait. Being in the military is a long standing family tradition that goes back to the American Revolution with General Greene who originated the concept of sniper attacks.

Posted by: ceo1 | February 1, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

John McCain is incapable of uniting the Republican party to him. There are to many of us who would vote for Bilary Clinton just to make a point even though we detest her stand on perspectives. Quite frankly, she tells us she is a liberal. John McCain is ashamed of that term in reference to his political ideologies even though he is liberal in his positions. At least with Clinton, you know what you are getting. With John, he is all over the place pandering to what people in the middle want to hear.

Senator Clinton will have a field day with Senator McCain and I will likely help in order to preserve the values of the Republican Party. The base must be preserved and valued. In business, core values are those things that you hold onto even when it becomes a strategic disadvantage such as obtaining a copy of one of your major competitors' strategic plan and giving it back without using any of it against them. While Clinton will likely destroy America, so will McCain. To me, they might as well be running from the same Democratic ticket.

There is little difference between them. Oh sure, McCain wants to stay in Iraq and start another war with Iran. Clinton wants to pull all of our military out of the Middle East. While I would prefer to have our troops in the Middle East dealing with the radical Jihad, I have a hard enough time dealing with a radical Republican here in America as our President.

Posted by: ceo1 | February 1, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Senator McCain has no chance for my vote in November. He has no chance of uniting the party towards him. He will fail miserably, at least this Republican will never unite behind such a dishonest man. I will however, have my United States Senators and Representatives appose him on every single issue he wants and they are all Republicans.

Posted by: ceo1 | February 1, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

It is sad to see the Republican Party turn its back on the conservative base - the base that sustained this party for the last 25 years. That image of Rudy, McCain, and Arnold standing next to each other really reflect what this race is all about. Do we want the party moving to the liberal wing of it? If McCain is the nominee, our party platform will move steadily to the left. It is not too late! Let's stand up on Tuesday and take back our party. Vote for Mitt Romney!! At this point, a vote for Huckabee is a vote for McCain. Let's rally around Romney and shut up the most liberal part of our party.

Posted by: pccu | February 1, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

To all true conservatives...It is time to show the nation that the republican party is conservative. Everyone who is a true conservative must not only go out to vote on tuesday, but get all their friends and family and aquantances that support our last conservative (Mitt Romney) out to vote. We as the republican base and heart need to take a stand and get this done on the ground. Get every one you can...call everyone you can...email everyone you can...This could cost the republicans 25 years of conservatism. If you believe in true conservative principles now is the time to tell McDirty and the rest of the establishment that we the people are still here.

True Conservative taking a stand and doing something about it.

Posted by: maxharker | February 1, 2008 1:33 AM | Report abuse

All my life I have voted republican without a second thought. However, McCain as president scares me. He is too pro war and knows nothing about the economy. If he wins I will be forced to consider the other candidate. We can't afford to have a McBomb in the white house.

Posted by: skippygold092 | February 1, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

I disagree with those who say Huckabee as VP would help McCain's situation. It might with "some" religious voters -- voters who are pretty sure McCain will die sometime soon, either from old age or having one of his daily aneurysms.

But I certainly wouldn't be appeased by a Huckabee vice presidency. That would be going from bad to worse.

Unlike Romney, McCain can't work with people. It's not like his VP will have any meaningful input.

Posted by: carolm62 | February 1, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

The liberal media is sooo trying to convince us that McCain will unite the Republican party. And so is McCain. He keeps saying that we will forget how much we loathe him should he win the nomination.

He's so wrong. He is not likely to be transformewd into an honest man any time this century, so I'm already doing my research on the Dems and awaiting the announcement for a third party candidate.

Posted by: carolm62 | January 31, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

LOL McCain and Rudy are both Neo-Cons

Rudy Sentence = Noun, Verb, 9/11

McCain Sentence = Noun, Verb, Surge

McCain is not a conservative - never was, he cannot unite the GOP, he can only ruin it.

McCain wont admit going into Iraq was a mistake. I can understand arguing we have a responsibility there now, but you need to admit it was wrong or else people will think that McCain will make the same mistake with Iran, that Bush made with Iraq.

If fighting terror and securing this country is the goal, then why is our money rebuilding Iraq - a country that never attacked us, had no WMDs and wasnt even close to being the biggest country that sponsors terror?

Why didnt that money go to securing our borders and our ports? Our borders and ports are still Wide Open!!

McCain = Amnesty, pre-emptive war, permanent occupation.

I am a conservative and I will never vote for McCain.

Posted by: hannibal81 | January 31, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

LOL!!! Absolutely great post "Peter from NH"! That's the great thing about being a Mitt Romney fan. If you don't like Mitt's position on a particular issue, just wait a week or two, because it'll change. Sooner or later, he'll come up with one that you DO like! :-0

Posted by: danram | January 31, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is united in the GOP except the Mitt supporters who are mind numbed robots of Rush.

Posted by: TrueHawk | January 31, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Trust me, once the nomination battle is settled and John McCain is the nominee, the thought of either ...

1) "President Hillary Rodham Clinton"

or

2) "President Barack Hussein Obama"

... will be more than enough to unite the Republican Party.

Posted by: danram | January 31, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

LOL McCain and Rudy are both Neo-Cons

Rudy Sentence = Noun, Verb, 9/11

McCain Sentence = Noun, Verb, Surge

McCain is not a conservative - never was, he cannot unite the GOP, he can only ruin it.

McCain wont admit going into Iraq was a mistake. I can understand arguing we have a responsibility there now, but you need to admit it was wrong or else people will think that McCain will make the same mistake with Iran, that Bush made with Iraq.

If fighting terror and securing this country is the goal, then why is our money rebuilding Iraq - a country that never attacked us, had no WMDs and wasnt even close to being the biggest country that sponsors terror?

Why didnt that money go to securing our borders and our ports? Our borders and ports are still Wide Open!!

McCain = Amnesty, pre-emptive war, permanent occupation.

I am a conservative and I will never vote for McCain.

Posted by: hannibal81 | January 31, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Wah wah wah.

I didn't get my way so I am taking my ball and going home.

This is utter nonsense. The fact is that the "conservatives" have been having a juvenile tantrum jihad on McCain because he dares to lead. Could anyone imagine the Gipper listening to Rush to figure our what position to take? Who made Rush/Hugh/Sean the pope to define what is and isn't conservative.

The argument that McCain is not a conservative has ALWAYS been phony and does not stand up to fact and reason. The fact is that McCain has demonstrated the capacity to lead. Leaders in McCain's words "are makers of history, not its victim". That scares the hell out of those benefiting from pretending that they alone define the terms of conservatives. They would much rather spout improvable philosophy that no one could follow. No matter what happens they can piously stand arms folded and say in a whiny voice "its because they are not following the religion".

This is exactly like the Pope using inquisition to try to keep control. That failed and so will the allege power of the AM Talkers. It's time for the GOP reformation and age of enlightenment. They can sit back and watch a leader because the people of this great nation have had ENOUGH! The people are speaking and the GOP better listen.

Posted by: peterfromnh | January 31, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Telegram from Real Change Florida /stop/ We are Sorry America.

Florida's blue-hair's and snow birds just had a tragic senior moment. They flocked to John McCain's pitiful lies and angry scare tactics /stop/

Governor Mitt Romney nearly beat McCain in Florida 35-31%, but the nasty little old senator turned even uglier, if that's possible /stop/

Mitt Romney needs your help to bury McAmnesty on Super Tuesday /stop him now.

Conservatives every where have rejected John McCain, but with Huckabee splitting republican votes, well, here we are. /stop/stop/stop voting for Huckster.

You must derail McCain's nomination to make it a real Super Tuesday. Conservatism's very survival now depends on you. Act accordingly. Please /GO/ Vote Mitt Romney!

Posted by: hallamb2001 | January 31, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Mitt is Toxic

Abortion rights
"I will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose and am devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that regard."
Boston Herald Debate, 10/29/02

"Roe v. Wade continues to work its destructive logic throughout our society This can't continue."
Speech to the Massachusetts Citizens For Life Mother's Day Pioneer Valley Dinner, 5/10/07

Immigration reform
"With these 11 million people [here illegally], let's have them registered, know who they are....those that are here paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process towards application for citizenship."
Lowell Sun, 3/30/06

"One simple rule: no amnesty.If that [Kennedy-McCain bill] is not a form of amnesty, I don't know what is."
New York Times, 6/4/07

Gun laws
"We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them. I won't chip away at them; I believe they protect us and provide for our safety."
Romney in 2002 gov. debate, Boston Globe, 1/14/07

"I have a gun of my own. I go hunting myself. I'm a member of the NRA and believe firmly in the right to bear arms."
Boston Globe, 1/14/07

Amendment to ban gay marriage
"Mitt does not support it...As far as Mitt is concerned, it goes farther than current law, and therefore it's unnecessary."
Romney spokesman, Boston Globe, 3/22/02

"When I was Governor, we took every conceivable step within the law to stop, block or slow down this unprecedented court decision."
Speech to National Right to Life Convention, 6/15/07

"No new taxes" pledge
"I'm not intending to, at this stage, sign a document which would prevent me from being able to look specifically at the revenue needs of the commonwealth"
Associated Press, 3/27/02

"Signing the pledge now sends a very clear message to those in Washington who have voted against tax relief and for tax hikes that such actions will never grow our regional and national economies."
Romney spokesman, Boston Globe, 1/5/07

Minimum wage
"I think the minimum wage ought to keep pace with inflation. I think the minimum wage is a good thing to have in our economy and I think it ought to be updated."
Boston Globe, 10/17/94

"[T]he challenge with raising the minimum wage excessively is it is a hurt to those that are entering the work force, the very poor, those that are trying to get early jobs, get those first jobs."
Associated Press, 7/25/06

Cutting Social Security
"I don't think you go back and rewrite the contract the government has with people who've retired."
Boston Globe, 10/17/94
"Personal accounts would be a big plus."... [Romney]also said changing the retirement age could be considered, as well as basing the Social Security cost of living adjustment on a different inflation gauge.
Union Leader, 6/7/07

Adoption non-discrimination
Governor Mitt Romney and a legislative leader yesterday delivered unwelcome news to the Catholic bishops of Massachusetts, who plan to seek permission from the state to exclude gay and lesbian parents from adopting children through its social service agencies. The governor said he was not authorized to give such an exemption...
Boston Globe, 2/17/06

"And then another slide along the slippery slope. The Catholic Church was forced to end its adoption service, which was crucial in helping the state find homes for some of our most difficult to place children... Now, even religious freedom was being trumped by the new-found 'right' of gay marriage."
Speech to National Right to Life Convention, 6/15/07

Stem cell research
[Romney]endorsed embryonic stem cell research, saying the controversial science might one day help treat his wife's multiple sclerosis...."I am in favor of stem cell research. I will work and fight for stem cell research. I'd be happy to talk to [President Bush] about this, though I don't know if I could budge him an inch."
Boston Globe, 6/14/02

"FACT: Governor Romney Opposes Using Taxpayer Money to Fund Embryo-Destructive Research."
MittRomney.com A Record of Protecting Life

Bush tax cuts
Governor Mitt Romney refused yesterday to endorse tax cuts at the heart of President Bush's economic program...In addition to refusing to endorse the president's tax cut, the governor surprised several people at the meeting by saying he is open to a federal increase in gas taxes.
Boston Globe, 4/11/0

[Romney] said it was "absolutely critical" to renew tax cuts proposed by President George W. Bush. Letting them expire would result in a "massive tax increase" that would retard economic growth, Romney said.
Detroit Free Press, 2/8/07

Reagan Republicanism
"I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I'm not trying to return to Reagan-Bush."
Boston Herald, 10/27/94
"Ronald Reagan is ... my hero. ... I believe that our party's ascendancy began with Ronald Reagan's brand of visionary and courageous leadership."
Boston Globe, 1/19/07

Desire to serve in Vietnam
"I was not planning on signing up for the military. It was not my desire to go off and serve in Vietnam..."
Boston Herald, 5/2/94

"I longed in many respects to actually be in Vietnam and be representing our country there and in some ways it was frustrating not to feel like I was there as part of the troops that were fighting in Vietnam."
Boston Globe, 6/24/07

Posted by: peterfromnh | January 31, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

To CNN and Mr. Anderson Cooper
- My wife and I are avid watchers of your TV show, But after watching how poorly and out of balance tonight's GOP debate was mediated one can only come to the conclusion that something went wrong.
We give you the benefit of the doubt because after all this time of watching your TV show we thought the American people were getting news of importance and it was presented by you in ways which are fair and not biased.
Tonight's GOP debate unfortunately cast a shadow on your persona and we believe something needs to come from you to ALL of your avid audiences explaining what transpired. We strongly believe that ALL candidates should get EQUAL time as well as be allowed to respond the question presented.
If you watch the show you will notice that the cameras were also manipulated when it came to the other two candidates to respond "Paul and Huckabee" and it was nuisance and quite frankly an insult to the American people's intellect.
We were under the impression this type of issue was a FOX news behavior but perhaps it is not and it is sad.

If possible we would love to hear something from you that will ease not just my wife and I but hundreds of thousands of avid viewers like us and with it restore the confidence in your character which unfortunately got dimmed.

Respectfully yours,

Posted by: politiciannc | January 31, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

I find the "Republican Purity" folks an amusing lot. "If we nominate McCain, I will sit the election out. I have to make a statement!" The Limbaugh Limbo. Vote for Romney -- a "true conservative." Since when? Since he decided he'd better make some adjustments before facing the crowds. Sure, Massachusetts always votes for conservative purity.

That is the sort of ego-trumps-common-sense attitude that will put a Democrat in the White House. What's more, that Democrat could well be Billary.

Such could be the fruits of stiff-backed "purity."

Posted by: Alb3 | January 31, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I will never vote for him after the amnesty deal! If he ends up the nominee, I will switch to the green party. MCAIN IS NOT A REPUBLICAN.

Posted by: BJE500 | January 31, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I will never vote for him after the amnesty deal! If he ends up the nominee, I will switch to the green party. MCAIN IS NOT A REPUBLICAN.

Posted by: BJE500 | January 31, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

I am sticking with Romney. He has PRESIDENT written all over him.

Posted by: poliscistudent | January 31, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm a McCain supporter, and I'd like to see him keep the White
House in the Republican column this November. I am very concerned, however, about who he picks as his running mate. The Dems are set to "make history" by picking either a woman or a black man as their party's nominee for the Presidency. I think McCain would be wise to try and deflect this in some way.

It's been said that if Hillary is the Democratic standard bearer, the evangelicals will be propelled to come out and vote Republican for that reason alone. Therefore, the value of having Huckabee on the ticket is nullified. And, frankly, I think if Obama is nominated and more scrutiny is paid to his religious affiliations (which are very important to the evangelicals)--Obama's church preaches a kind of 'black nationalist' version of Christianity that a lot of white people (let's face it) will find to be both alien and disquieting--, they will still flock to the Republican banner. And, again, Huckabee's presence on the ticket becomes unnecessary.

Therefore, I would highly urge the McCain folks to consider someone like former governor and Cabinet member Christy Whitman for the Vice Presidential nominee.

Posted by: cocktails42 | January 31, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

What's with the stuff on this (and other)blogs that a vote for HR Clinton is the continuation of 16 years' of divisive politics?

News Flash! The divisive politics under Bill Clinton occurred because the Republicn controlled Senate and House used every means possible to undermine the President. When faced with a period of almost unparralleled peace and prosperity the Republican political machine looked to the persosal morality of the President - and found what they thought was sufficient dirt to undermine him. The Republican political machine muck-racked, with the hypocrisy of their leadership knowing no bounds. Remember that even as he was decrying the President's personal life Gingrich has now admitted that he too was involved in an extra-marital relationship.

I'm not defending Bill Clinton's behaviour: he had only himself to blame for trying to avoid being exposed in the way he finaly was. But he was not the first President who had broken his marriage vows - not even in the first 10. It was only because the muck-raking Republican political machine decided to make political capital out of it that it became an issue.

Who started the divisiveness? The Republicans. Will that change REGARDLESS of who the Democrats nominate? I suspect not. The Obama supporters who think that it will be a kinder gentler process if he is nominated are deluding themselves. Read the Rove and Gingrich political play hand-books. The issue is not about being right: it's about being in power.

No, I'm not dismissing what Bill Clinton did. But I am reminding us all that 16 years' of divisiveness was begun and still continues because of the Republicans.

So if we want an end to the divisiveness of the last 16 years what we have to do is demand that the Republican Party Bosses discover the meaning of the word "honorable" and begin acting by it. I believe that the choice of McCain will enhances the chance for that. I believe choosing the best Democratic nominee is the best thing the Democrats can do. For me that is HRC.

Posted by: anthonyrimell | January 31, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Arnold has done zilch about illegal immigration; he has become a girlie-man, in his own right.

CA has an illegal immigration problem that exceeds the population of more than half of the states. That's what you call a large problem.

CA also has a 14.5 billion dollar state budget deficit.

The deficit can be entirely attibuted to the cost of the FREE BENEFITS that illegal immiigrants receive.

The deficit is on the backs of California taxpayers, and what does Arnold do??

Arnold, girlie-man, that he has become, DOES NOTHING!!

Did someone say RECALL??

Posted by: buzzm1 | January 31, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Wow. A lot of highly rational posters here.

Yes. Everyone you disagree with is a raving madman or madwoman bent on the destruction of the universe. All Republicans are money-hungry, corporate stooges who want to slaughter innocent civilians and kick homeless veterans down a flight of stairs.

John McCain is a traitor to God and country, hell-bent on turning the country over to the Mexicans and getting his own sons (one is currently fighting in Iraq - the other is in the Naval Academy) killed in NEEDLESS WARS.

Hillary Clinton is a godless lesbian, hungry for power and eager to turn the United States into a socialist armpit.

George W. Bush is clearly Hitler. That evil s.o.b. is actually using call records from the phone companies to try to track down calls made to known Al-Qaeda numbers. The HORROR. Next thing you know, the fascist will be tapping the phones of terrorist suspects. It's like INTERNMENT all over again.

Posted by: ds11 | January 31, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

If it's McCain versus Hillary, I will vote for a write in.

I could care less what party McCain says he is in, all I know is I will never vote for someone who wants to allow 20 million immigration violators to circumvent the law.

McCain wants us to stay in Iraq 100 years when we told the Iraqi people we would leave as soon as they asked us to. I don't think they were thinking 100 years, I know I wasn't.

McCain, Hillary and Obama would further ruin this country.

Posted by: fighterDC | January 31, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Dear John McCain,

We sent your saddle home.

Posted by: buzzm1 | January 31, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

We have an arrogant, incompetent, illiterate, and inept fool in the White House, a demoralized and decimated military, plundered treasury, trashed world standing, trampled rule of Law and Constitution. While the nation is sinking under debt and the market is in a free fall while an tidal wave of Uneducated Illegal Aliens are waving the Mexican flag, demanding their rights, while sucking at the trough of Public Welfare, as they Kill, Rob, and Rape thousands of American Citizens each year. While most of the Candidates are pandering for the Latino vote by implying or promising Amnesty!

We as a nation can survive fools in our White House. What we CANNOT survive is fools both in our Congress and white house like Bush, McCain, Hillary, Obama, etc. Each promising a new American, rebuilding the middle class and taking care of the poor. But what they refuse to acknowledge or recognize is no single Nation or people is rich enough to lift the 100,s of millions of poor out of poverty. In others words American & American taxpayers cannot bear the cost of becoming the welfare state for Mexico and Latin American. To attempt to do so will only reduce all Americans to poverty equaling what the uneducated invaders are fleeing from in their home countries. The poor and criminals pouring across our Borders have an average of an six grade education. Each person with less than a high education is a net cost of 20k per year for American taxpayers. So the displaced compassion, flawed logic, or just pandering for votes, endorsed by Edwards, Obama, McCain, Hillary . is deeply flawed. Failure to close our border or to give Amnesty to the 12 to 30 millions of Illegal Aliens in this country will in the long run, with the Chain Immigration result in adding 100 to 160 millions poor citizens to our welfare rolls. Their high school drop out rates exceed 50 percent with a high crime rate and a very high illegitimate birth rate, this is very combination that keeps Mexico & Latin American a cesspool of crime, corruption, poverty & misery!

Maybe the results is what the multinational companies and the rich dream of, a Nation full of poor docile labors like China, India, Mexico, but I do not believe it is the future most Americans aspire to for their children and grand children!

In all, my country, a potential benefactor and beacon for all the world - is headed right off a cliff and to an third world status!

In my view - - this has all come to pass because the Politicians, the elected and sworn stewards of this country, both Republicans & Democrats have allowed it to happen. Surely they should have known better when they build bridges to nowhere, when they wasted 100,s of billion in pork and sold their votes to the highest bidder....when they refused to abide by the Constitution against invasion or enforce the very laws they passed, they have disgraced and dishonored their oath of office and brought shame upon our Nation. One way this Nation can start to recover is for the lot of them to be gone from those hallowed halls of Congress and the White House, because most of them have become a house of party-bound Prostitutes paid by the special interests, swirling and partying, amidst the rubble of their own malfeasance - taking this Nation right down in the gutter with them.

If the Politicians with the Citizens support, decide they must do more for the worlds poor then they must find a way like an Marshall plan for Latin American. What they must not be allowed to do, though flawed logic, false compassion, or by criminal intent is to turn this Nation into a Cesspool of Crime, Corruption, Poverty, and Misery by continuing the open borders policy and Amnesty for the millions of uneducated peons pouring across our borders.

As a proud and concerned American that proudly served my Country in time of War as did my Father, my two brothers and my son. I am appalled and very angry at what self severing, stupid/corrupt politicians have done to my country!

Posted by: american1 | January 31, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I will never vote for McAmnesty. I don't trust McCain... and I don't like him always winking at me! Instead, I will vote for Obama in protest of his disregard for the Republican Party's conservative base. (Note: It makes more of a statement of my utter disgust than just staying home... and If I do vote, then I can complain, right?) Respectfully, 100% Conservative - socially, fiscally, national security... and no amnesty.

Posted by: ChrisFischahs | January 31, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

McCain is in a tough spot. While a Republican candidate may need every vote he can get from the conservative wing, I still think it shows in the larger picture that the Evangelical and Limbaugh nut-case wing receives far more credit than it deserves. In this election, he may need them, but as a whole, the Evangelicals and Radio heads are far out of touch with the mainstream. There are more pragmatics out there than extremists on either side. My only hope is that both exremes become marginalized in this process.

Posted by: tdub55 | January 31, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

McCain is in a tough spot. While a Republican candidate may need every vote he can get from the conservative wing, I still think it shows in the larger picture that the Evangelical and Limbaugh nut-case wing receives far more credit than it deserves. In this election, he may need them, but as a whole, the Evangelicals and Radio heads are far out of touch with the mainstream. There are more pragmatics out there than extremists on either side. My only hope is that both exremes become marginalized in this process.

Posted by: tdub55 | January 31, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

McCain is in a tough spot. While a Republican candidate may need every vote he can get from the conservative wing, I still think it shows in the larger picture that the Evangelical and Limbaugh nut-case wing receives far more credit than it deserves. In this election, he may need them, but as a whole, the Evangelicals and Radio heads are far out of touch with the mainstream. There are more pragmatics out there than extremists on either side. My only hope is that both exremes become marginalized in this process.

Posted by: tdub55 | January 31, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

I will never vote for McAmnesty. I don't trust McCain... and I don't like him always winking at me! Instead, I will vote for Obama in protest of his disregard for the Republican Party's conservative base. (Note: It makes more of a statement of my utter disgust than just staying home... and If I do vote, then I can complain, right?)

Posted by: ChrisFischahs | January 31, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

McCain is in a tough spot. While a Republican candidate may need every vote he can get from the conservative wing, I still think it shows in the larger picture that the Evangelical and Limbaugh nut-case wing receives far more credit than it deserves. In this election, he may need them, but as a whole, the Evangelicals and Radio heads are far out of touch with the mainstream. There are more pragmatics out there than extremists on either side. My only hope is that both exremes become marginalized in this process.

Posted by: tdub55 | January 31, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I think it would be healthy for the Republican party to divide into two entities.

The first group would be the Pat Buchanan / Paul Craig Roberts types who would form the "Rational Conservative Party".

The second group would be made up of the Limbaugh, Hannity and Fox News audience; the trailer park foamers; the Pat Robertson/Fred Phelps rapture monkeys; the American Nazis and other assorted White Supremists and the Clinton conspiracy/chem trail types.

This second new party could be called the "Screaming Wingnut Hate Brigade". Ann Coulter could serve as the first chairman and they could nominate Mike Savage for President. When he didn't win, they could whine about their victimhood and blame it on the MSN.

Everyone would be happy as a clam.

Posted by: MorganaLeFay | January 31, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Is McCain the best candidate the Republican Party can offer? Pretty sad. McCain is out of touch with America. People are looking for someone to help lead them out of a funk; McCain is unpresidential, uninspiring and offers nothing for people to rally around, and his war stance (his only stance, it seems) is really ugly. Obama beats him easily in the general election.

Posted by: nonagon | January 31, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Wow the Busheviks are placing all their hope in the right-wing vendetta against Hillary Clinton. Sounds like more of their navel-gazing analysis, they never could tell the difference between looking though a window and looking in the mirror.

They should consider her re-election campaign in New York State .. where she did quite well in Republican districts, because as they got to know her, as their Senator, they came to like her.

I'd rather Edwards or Obama, but Hillary Clinton would certainly be a competent president, probably able to change course in response to new information, and vastly more honest than the insecure little git we have now.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | January 31, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

McCain has stated we will be in Iraq 100 years. That 100 years X $265 Million per day is $9,672,500,000,000 of our money. Another Republican for fiscal prudence.

Posted by: kat2 | January 31, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I think McCain has a decent chance of winning, more than any other Republican running this year. Running against Hillary helps him immensely. The conservatives may not love him, but they hate Hillary with a passion. The conservatives who might stay home in disgust at McCain's "betrayal" of conservative positions will not be able to resist the urge to cast a vote for whoever is running against Hillary. They will show up in full measure. And McCain will get votes from moderates and independents who might otherwise vote Democratic this year. I think the combination of Hillary running against McCain is the worst possible matchup for the Democrats. People who are sick and tired of the Bush - Cheney sleaze machine are not going to want to vote for Hillary, and McCain is seen as the candidate with the most integrity. There are so many factors pushing people to vote Democratic this year that the "wave" may overwhelm any Republican candidate. But McCain is probably the only hope the Republicans have of winning because of his appeal to moderates.

Posted by: taxguru | January 31, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

My team has destroyed over 11000 pounds of Chemical and Biological weapons, that Saddam used on his own people.
Posted by: pstylee
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hahahahahhaha

YOU are NUTS.

First of all I don't think you've been any closer to Iraq than the upstairs of your parents' house.

Second of all, your logic is twisted .. had Saddam used these "WMDs" on his own people, how would they still be around for your "team" to "destroy?"

Bombs and nerve gases are like soft drinks .. once "used" they are "gone."

(descending whistle)

Posted by: chrisfox8 | January 31, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

McCain has spent the last 4 years pandering to, and trying to emulate, George Bush. Not to belabor the obvious, but the guy looks like walking death, so old is face is as grey as his suit and hair. Americans have seen where that kind of "old man thinking" gets us, and that is to outsourcing and never-ending war.

Posted by: gasmonkey | January 31, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

"...who allowed him to mislead without calling him on his lies."

The moern habit is to call every statement that one will not agree with a lie. Keeps things simple.

Posted by: gary4books | January 31, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

McCain will be an easy candidate for the Democrats to beat. He wants to keep troops in Iraq for 100 years; he wants more war; he doesn't know a lot about and doesn't seem to care about the economy; and he has real problems with the GOP base.
As he is not a southerner, the South would open up for the Democrats.

It would be a very easy campaign for the Democrats to frame. He's basically Bush's proxy for the 2008 election. Even though McCain polls better against the Democratic candidates in trial heats, that's only because of his name ID. After the Dems get through with him, the choice will be very clear and the voters will choose the future over a continuation of Bush's policies.

Posted by: khyber900 | January 31, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

I would vote for Bin laden before i would vote for that sorry S.O.B! He promises us 3 things Illegal Aliens stay and get rewarded for invading our country and committing numerous felonies. Our good Jobs are gone forever, Wars without end! The man is an Moron on par with Bush Jr. I think 4 more years of Corrupt, Gutless,W worthless Pandering politicians like McCain, Hillary & Obama will about drive the final nail in our destruction and we cannot avoid becoming a corrupt bankrupt third world Nation!

Posted by: american1 | January 31, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

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If AMNESTY-JOHN gets the nomination we can change the name of the Republican Party to the "Democratic-Lite Party". Our two party system will then consist of Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber!

AMNESTY-JOHN is the poster old-man for MANDATORY age limits for ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS. Just think how embarrassing it will be for Americans when AMNESTY-JOHN wets himself -or worse- in meetings with leaders of other countries. It would be just as bad as having a total moron representing America, and EVERYBODY knows how humiliating that has been.

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Posted by: ImpeachNOW | January 31, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter which Hypublicrit gets the nomination; if any one of them gets elected it will mean 4 more years of war, 4 more years of debt, 4 more years of tax breaks for the wealty, 4 more years of the SOS. No health care, no pascription drugs, no good jobs, and no CHANGE!

Posted by: TheSage1 | January 31, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Thanks ARNOLD!!!! You have endorsed McCain before the rest of the party has had a chance to pick him. Bold -- maybe not. Stupid - yes indeed. We have now found a reason to not like you or your ideas. Bonehead!

As a part of the conservative wing of the Rep party, your endorsement will cause the fires of separation to be fueled and support thrown to a candidate better able to inspire and win an election. What is worse voting for McCain in the final election or hitting your thumb with a hammer? I will take the pain of hitting my thumb since I know it will go away after putting some ice on it.

Yes I am a Romney supporter and no I will not support @+&%% McCain!!!!!

Posted by: enzospice | January 31, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Just as the Democrats committed political suicide every four years by nominating a far left candidate until Bill Clinton the Republicans are now marching off a cliff to oblivion by lining up behind way too old way to grouchy McCain who speaks like his jaw is wired shut and looks pissed when ever asked a question in a debate by the another candidate.

McCain's loss in the general will make Bob Dole look popular.

Perhaps it is poetic justice that McCain's help the democrat union "fund raising reform" will now be used by the big unions to take him down while he runs around trying to match their hundreds of millions in forced political donations by calling on individual republicans.

McCain's ego has cast a shadow over America's future and will now put in power a leftist Democrat who will promptly dismantle America's military advantage over the next Hilter coming out of Russia, China or the Middle East.

Posted by: msmithnv | January 31, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

McCain would lose in a landslide against either Hillary or Obama. He is a one issue president, he isn't running for president, he is running for Commander in chief, he wants to be head of the military. He knows nothing about the economy. He is willing to stay in Iraq forever at a cost of $2 billion a week, bankrupting the country, the guy has no idea about economics and would lose in historic numbers. Romney is more appealing to independents than McCain. I don't care for either of them but McCain would lose bigtime.

Posted by: info4 | January 31, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

It would be this man's opinion that the biggest asset going for the Republican Party and it's probable nominee is the fifteen year hatred of Hillary Clinton and he husband. McCain, himself, is not going to inspire the Conservatives or the Evangelicals. The idea of another Clinton in the White House might motivate them, even if his record doesn't. Democrats can hope that the Christian Right and Conservative Right don't bother, but I think they hate Mrs. Clinton too much to show their dissatisfaction with McCain and his VP candidate, most likely Rudy Giuliani.

Posted by: HaroldFCrockettJr | January 31, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

pstylee - back at you son:

Many of us can deeply respect what you and your fellow warfighters do for us everyday - and still disagree with the political decisions made to get us into wars that risk our greatest national treasure - our sons and daughters.

I am not over there now, but I enlisted in 1957 and retired 30 years later. My son had his leg shot off in the first Iraqi War (a war I totally supported) and my grandson is on his way over there now...My son-in-law has just returned from his 5th tour in-country.

We have earned a right to voice our condemnation of the politicians who start wars when they do not need to be fought! Doing so does not dishonor those who took our places on the line. To you we extend our respect and gratitude.

Don't be too hard on the civilians who are trying to hold our leaders accountable for their decisions.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | January 31, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

McCain can defeat Hillary Clinton in the general election. Obama can defeat McCain. Dems better hope that Obama carries the day on Super Tuesday. Hillary as a nominee will get the evangelicals off the couch and into the voting booth in November to elect McCain.

Posted by: maupin1 | January 31, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to question the veracity of your post pstylee, but if US forces had destroyed thousands of pounds of WMD, wouldn't anyone like, say, Donald Rumsfeld or George Bush, have mentioned it?

Nice try.

Posted by: steveboyington | January 31, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

pstylee,

Amen, brother. Thanks for your service and "welcome home."

Posted by: hisroc | January 31, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

From this agressively independent voter's perspective it looks as though the only Republican nominee with any chance at defeating the Democrats is John McCain. And, the Democratc with the most likelihood of winning the general election and gaining the White House is Senator Barack Obama.

I believe that these two would offer America the best contrast for 2008.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | January 31, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

wj_phillips...This one is for you.

Have you ever been to Iraq, and served this country?

If you haven't let me fill you in on something that us military people know first hand that the rest of the country doesn't seem to accept. Hillary was one of the many democraps who supported the war in Iraq, when it was first mentioned. She has since then changed her views. And to call it "Borderline Criminal" just shows your ignorance. I am an Explosive Ordnance Disposal Technician, and in case you don't know what that means I am a bomb/weapons expert.

My team has destroyed over 11000 pounds of Chemical and Biological weapons, that Saddam used on his own people. Those are weapons of mass Destruction. And to say that this is Bush's personal war is ludicris. We are the only country that could stop Saddam from his reign of terror, to his own people and region. The rest of the world was affraid of him.

In all honesty none of the candidates that are running, make any real sense. There should be more emphasis on education, the budget, and health care. What does it matter to you that my fellow Soldiers, Sailors, Marines and Airmen will have to spend time over there? You won't. If you want to change anything than you run for President, instead of taking for granted everything that this country and my fellow service mates do for you.

OPEN YOUR EYES, BEFORE YOU MAKE IGNORANT STATEMENTS!!!!!!!

Posted by: pstylee | January 31, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

No one will look much beyond McCain's war heroism and his image as a maverick, straight-talking guy who stands up for his principles, regardless of the consequences, so McCain would likely win the presidency against any Democratic opponent. McCain's voting record in the Senate suggests that he would be one of the most conservative presidents since Coolidge or Hoover. Maybe McCain is not conservative compared to, say, Francisco Franco, but that's about it. It serves only to show just how rabid and extreme the Republican party has become that they can't embrace McCain as the nominee, especially given that flip-flopper Romney is now their only realistic alternative. Take a good look at John McCain. He's probably our next president. The Republicans surely deserve to be tossed out both the White House and the Congress, but given McCain's appeal to independent voters, he's probably a near-lock to be elected. How unfortunate.

Posted by: Bob22003 | January 31, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

If McCain gets the nomination, Huckabee is the VP.

After last night's debate, I'm of the opinion the party would be more united if Huckabee would name McCain as his VP.

Huckabee had the final answer to the Reagan endorsement question and it was spot on. You could see it in Nancy's eyes.

Posted by: aaron | January 31, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

As a Obama supporter I fully hope McCain gets the nomination. It will be a cake walk to defeat a old man who seems to be in poor mental health.

Posted by: Holcombe1 | January 31, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Yes people are going to organize free van rides for reluctant voters in their excitement over an endless Iraq occupation, their zeal for more corporate tax cuts, and their determination to imprison women who get abortions.

And McCain's riveting speaking style is sure to keep up the enthusiasm for nine more months...


Sorry, I can't go on. It's too implausible to be good sarcasm.

Posted by: chrisfox8 | January 31, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"Arnold Schwarzenegger will be McCain's VP selection." -SteelWheel1

Sorry SteelWheel1, I appreciate Schwarzenegger's moderate positions but he can't be the VP because he wasn't born in the United States.

Posted by: sequoiaqueneaux | January 31, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Arnold Schwarzenegger will be McCain's VP selection. Arnold is very popular in California so much so that I believe he could carry that state for McCain, who can't win it if he selects one of those nut case Right-Wingers.

Senator McCain needs to reside himself in the understanding that he will not get the support of evil right-wingers like Rush Limbaugh. Trying to do so will require him to be a major flip-flopper like Romney and it will kill him in the general election.

As I see it now, Senator McCain has done quite well without the hard-right support . So why bother now?

Posted by: SteelWheel1 | January 31, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

IF McCAIN WINS WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER WAR WITH IRAN!!! WE WILL NEVER GET OUT OF IRAQ AND THE COUNTRY WILL BE BANKRUPT IN LESS THAN 4 YEARS. I TOO DON'T WANT TO SEE HILLARY AS PRESIDENT, BUT I CAN'T IN ALL CONSCIOUS VOTE FOR McCAIN AFTER HE SAID HE WOULD KEEP US IN IRAQ FOR A HUNDRED YEARS AND MADE A JOKE ABOUT BOMBING IRAN. OBAMA IS THE ONLY WAY TO GO. HE CAN REACH OUT TO ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF PEOPLE AND BRING PEACE!!

Posted by: gtownes | January 31, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

We're stuck in a crap war that we can't afford to lose and the auto jobs are not coming back to Detroit. Maybe McCain has hit on something here like the truth.

Posted by: jfahnert | January 31, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I agree. The one thing that will rally the GOP around McCain is Hillary Clinton as the Democratic nominee. I work in a fairly conservative environment (corporate finance), and none of my colleagues will even remotely consider voting for Hillary even though none of them like McCain. All of them are considering Obama - and we're talking former Bush supporters here. The country is sick of the acutely partisan politics of the last 16 years and is desperately looking for a new direction. Obama is the only candidate that offers that. If it's McCain v. Clinton, we'll be fighting Vietnam all over again for yet another election. If you want more voter cynicism and apathy, then Hillary is your candidate. She's proven that she is willing to exploit that cynicism to her political benefit no matter the consequences to her party or to the country.

Posted by: jps78 | January 31, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

How old IS this clown?

The face of the GOP was born in 1936.

Only a republican could see this and call it change.

Posted by: kase | January 31, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse


LOL @ Insane McCain!

Posted by: sequoiaqueneaux | January 31, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Life Long Republican. Very Conservative. If McCain wins the Republican Nomination. I will vote Democrat. Either Hillary or Obama are better candidates. I'm pulling for Obama to get the Democratic Party nomination.

Posted by: StarsAndStripesForever | January 31, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

The Divider and not the Uniter vetoed the SCHIPs Bill twice. The House was unable to override the President's veto not once but twice. I would say there is more sanity in the Senate than in House of Representatives.

I also think that Republicans could do better than Whitehouse patsy McConnell as leader of minority party in the Senate. Oh well, Lieberman turned out to be a Whitehouse patsy too.

Since the confirmation process of John Bolton was corrupted, Voinich of Ohio has detached himself from the Whitehouse, good for him. Bully politics, probably coming from Cheney abusing assets for political gain, allowed some to see the light.

You know, I am impressed by numerous Arab Kings and Leaders who "take care of their own". We could criticize certain Kingdoms however ask their general populations about life on a day to day basis, it must be good. In Jordon a grevious and heart wrenching attack at a wedding did not go unpunished through the Rule of Law and apprehension of the condemned in an appropriate manner.

From a global perception, we can judge our society by how well we take care of our own. That is why I have upgraded an old line from British Monarchy, "Let them eat cake" when the people had no bread to "Let them eat Twinkies".

Posted by: truthhurts | January 31, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Another poster coined him perfectly, "John McVain."

Posted by: tabernas66 | January 31, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

McCain's biggest challange is to convince those of us who would have voted for him in 2000, that he is not over the hill.

His unwavering support for Bush's personal war of revenge on Saddam for Saddam's 1993 death plot on Daddy has me thinking he can no long see the forest for the trees.

The Iraq war was more than a mistake, it is borderline criminal on the part of Bush. That McCain fails to see this has me doubting his ability to lead the country.

Pledging no withdrawl and no plan to get us out Iraq hardly makes him an unrealistic choice for president.

Bloomberg, get your effort in gear. We need a choice other than Obama or McCain!

Posted by: wj_phillips | January 31, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

McCain knows so _nothing_ about the economy that it is scary:

http://ronpaul.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=42

I have heard many Republicans say that they would be fine with Hillary, if push came to shove.

Posted by: davidmwe | January 31, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

McCain sounds more "populist" than Hill-O-Bama.

Posted by: jabailo | January 31, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Video:

Scarborough: McCain's Platform Is 'Less Jobs And More Wars'


During the coverage of this evening's Florida primary results, MSNBC's Joe Scarborough discussed the impact of John McCain's victory with Pat Buchanan. The Republican establishment will rally around McCain and say "he's the guy," Buchanan said, but he cautioned that McCain's vision for America was foreboding. "What does he say?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1657


.

Posted by: jeffboste | January 31, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

If McCain gets the nomination, he should send fruit baskets to all the "reporters" who allowed him to mislead without calling him on his lies. He'll probably have to reserve a couple million just for that.

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | January 31, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Republicans don't want Hillary or Obama in the White House, so they'll reluctantly stand firm behind McCain in the general. They love his war stance...

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl | January 31, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

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