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Clinton Camp Plans Continued Battle

By Dan Balz
Like a good lawyer and political street fighter, Harold Ickes came to breakfast with a case to make and argued it with gusto.

"This is no compelling reason to shut this process down," the senior adviser to Hillary Clinton told a group of reporters at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor, "and there's no compelling reason not to allow the remaining states to vote and register their preferences, and there are very compelling reasons to keep the process going longer and have more voices heard."

But Ickes is both a tough advocate and a realist. If his candidate were to lose Ohio and Texas to Barack Obama next week, then what, he was asked? "I think if we lose in Texas and Ohio, Mrs. Clinton will have to make her decision as to whether she goes forward or not," he replied.

That question was for another day. Ickes's Monday morning mission was clear -- to stop the rolling narrative that suggests the race between Clinton and Barack Obama is all but over, to buy time between now and next Tuesday and to hope that his candidate can fend off Barack Obama in Texas and Ohio and live to fight another day.

The Clinton campaign knows what others think -- that she is struggling -- but Ickes said she is well positioned in both those states. Ickes used everything in his bag to make the case that perceptions of the Democratic race are misplaced and that calls to consider calling it over are just plain wrong.

The nomination battle is in month two of a five-month process, he said. Sixteen states and almost 1,000 delegates are still to be selected in the primaries and caucuses, he said, pointing out that the number still outstanding is almost half of what's needed to win the nomination.

The Obama campaign argues that even if Clinton narrowly wins Texas and Ohio, she will still trail Obama in pledged delegates. Ickes brushed aside that argument as Obama propaganda. Neither candidate, he argued, can emerge after the June 7 primary in Puerto Rico with enough pledged delegates to win the nomination.

Then the superdelegates -- or as Ickes calls them "automatic delegates" -- will come into play, and their role, he said, is exercise their own judgment, not be bound by who may lead in pledged delegates, as the Obama campaign has argued. "They are not sheep," he said.

Those superdelegates will have to evaluate the candidates on the basis of who can win in November. "Who will make a good, hopefully a great, president, and very, very importantly, who will be the strongest, most effective candidate again the Republican in the general election?" he asked. "Who can best withstand the relentless Republican attack machine, which is lying back there in the bushes ready to go and turn its full fire on our candidate."

In his estimation, the choice is clear. "Hillary Clinton is fully vetted," he said. "There' s nothing left to vet. In terms of Senator Obama, in my opinion, the vetting process has just begun." And to punctuate that point, he urged reporters to dig into Obama's background, to explore further his relationship with Tony Rezko and to examine his promises for inconsistencies.

"I'm not passing judgment on these in any way, shape or form," he said, to laughter from the reporters. "You all can laugh," he added. "But this is serious business."

Ickes even went so far as to argue that, had there been superdelegates at the 1972 Democratic convention, George S. McGovern, who lost in a landslide to Richard M. Nixon, might not have ended up as the party's nominee.

Ickes could not offer a plausible scenario under which Clinton would emerge from the primaries and caucuses with a lead in pledged delegates. When he said that the number of delegates left to be chosen represents almost half the number needed for the nomination, what he didn't say was that more than 70 percent of the total number of pledged delegates have already been selected.

After next Tuesday, only 20 percent of delegates will remain to be selected. Even if Obama narrowly loses Ohio and Texas, he may not lose much of his lead in the delegate count. That makes it ever harder for Clinton to emerge from the primaries with a lead or even tied with Obama no matter what happens in Texas next week.

"I understand that the Obama people want to lay down markers that we've got to win 65 percent here and 85 percent there and 70 percent there. Those markers are nice to play games with, but they're not serious markers," Ickes said.

Those are next week's problems. Ickes knew he could later deal with these problems if he can help make it possible for his candidate to prosper next Tuesday. After all, Ickes has been on both sides of the issue of the dispute over decisions by Michigan and Florida to move up their primaries.

As a senior adviser to Clinton, he wants the two delegations seated, despite a ban imposed by the Democratic National Committee. "We are talking about slapping two critically important states in the face and giving a wide opening to the Republicans," he said. "Now that doesn't make a lot of sense."

As a member of the Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws Committee, however, Ickes voted with others to strip the two states of their convention privileges. "At the time [of the DNC vote], we were worried about the calendar," he told the incredulous reporters. "That aspect is over."

Ickes will have new arguments next week if Clinton wins Ohio and Texas -- and the race will certainly look different if she does break Obama's winning streak. For now, Ickes acknowledged that he and the Clinton campaign are battling perceptions as well as realities.

At one point, he laid out his view of how the campaign might unfold. "That's our view," he said. "You may disagree. Let's see what happens."

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http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4204413

For some reason, the breaking news stories with new details about the Obama Rezko ties (Obama is now disclosing details he withheld that are very bad indicators.) This post is not rhetoric in favor of any candidate but informative of facts regarding one candidate that could result in years of investigations and scandal for our country.

Please, do decide on the facts. Look at the money ties. Look for phrases like "$3.5 million wire transfer from a bank in Beirut, Lebanon " "money came from a company, General Mediterranean, owned by a British-based Iraqi billionaire, Nadhmi Auchi, who was convicted in France on fraud charges"...

While I am not a fan of conspiracy theory and hype, these facts alarm me greatly with the recent admission of close ties and friendship between Obama, Rezko, and company.

Posted by: marion160 | February 29, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse


Oh yes, Obama is a racist. Go here and see his videotaped speech where he is so thick in his black voice he thinks he's a preacher. He doesn't seem to be giving any credit to his white mother and white grandparents - who brought him up and put him through college. Oh no. I guess we're not in Kansas anymore Toto. But it was convenient to be white there along the trail. Now we are real black, voice and all, courting the black-like-me-voice.

This man is shameless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r-XG_VJZDw&feature=related

Of course, he will speak perfect English tonight. He speaks fifty languages - at least - he speaks whoever you are, wherever you're from.

The Republicans are going to peel back his smiley face and it isn't going to be pretty. After his dirty tricks and lies I'll enjoy that unfortunately.

Posted by: Thinker | February 26, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Despite all her negatives, there is ample evidence that Mrs. Clinton is an above avg politician in her own right; hence it is tragic that she is in a state of utter denial. However, the probability of a candidate's advisory group comprising exclusively of rank idiots is miniscule and she managed that! For God's sake, her campaign/policy gurus come across as a bunch of mercenary thugs hired to overthrow democracy in some banana republic. Echoing an earlier post here, HRC would do well to remember that "unlike the clowns she hired, she has a future in the Senata".

Posted by: subburamakrishnan70 | February 26, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

LATEST POLL OF DEMOCRATS:


"... In a new national USA TODAY/Gallup Poll, those surveyed predict by 73%-20% that Obama will be the Democratic nominee."
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Posted by: kevinlarmee | February 26, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Give Hillary Clinton credit. She has taught me a very valuable lesson and changed my mind concerning the practicality of SUPER DELEGATES.

I was initially very offended by the entire concept of Super Delegates, which have been described as professional politicians who by the very nature of their position within the Democratic National Cammittee have a better sense of what it takes to nominate the best candidate and were dreamed up as an insurance policy against dumb old voters in this country choosing the wrong candidate.

I didn't think there was a valid reason in the world to have Super Delegates, regardless of how they voted or who they voted for; but Hillary has finally showed me the light. At this stage of the campaign, with Hillary and Bill showing the world that they are hell bent for leather to destroy the Democratic Party for having the audacity to let another steal the nomination that should rightfully be theirs, it is up to the Super Delegates to rise up as one and shut down the Clinton Campaign once and for all. After all - their real job is to protect the party in this process and the only thing the Democratic Party needs protection from at this time is the destructive tactics of the Clinton's "scorched earth" policy. They failed to support Al Gore (or the Democratic Party) in 2000 and they failed to support John Kerry (or the Democratic Party in 2004. The Clinton's have always been all about the Clinton's and nobody else really matters in their mind. It is time for the Super Delegates to stand shoulder to shoulder (with the obvious exception of Bill Clinton, Harold Ickies, and other members of Hillary's Camapign and others who have been promised jobs in another Clinton White House) to tell Hillary and Bill that Democrats have had enough of their selfish disregard for the party and that it is time for them to hit the road!

Posted by: diksagev | February 25, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Have you seen this hilarious Hillary spoof?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGMgxFE6bms

Posted by: KYLECOPE | February 25, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Although I am not the one who used the word "crass" to describe Hillary, it is my pleasure to serve up the definition you asked for anyway.

Main Entry: crass
Pronunciation: \ˈkras\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Latin crassus thick, gross
Date: circa 1625
1 a: gross 6a; especially : having or indicating such grossness of mind as precludes delicacy and discrimination b: being beneath one's dignity c--used as a pejorative intensifier
2: guided by or indicative of base or materialistic values


Posted by: diksagev | February 25, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

After Wisconsin, it was clear that if anybody loves Hillary, he or she would help her get out of this race before she does herself and her party real harm. 2 days later Bill stepped up and said that if Hillary lost either Texas of Ohio it would be over. He was announcing previous policy of scorched earth all the way to the convention was a nonstarter.

In the Texas debate she seemed to stay on that track. Then it seems like Penn and company got a hold of her. Their days at the rich feed bag will end when Hillary 2008 ends, and it is hard to believe their services will be much sought after in the future.

Bill has got to take Hillary aside and explain to her that unlike the clowns she hired to run her campaign, she can have a real future in the Senate.

If she doesn't net a whole lot of delegates a week from Tuesday and she insists on going on, then Democrat rank and file by the millions will have to jump on the super delegates and have them take action which will end Hillary's and our misery.

Posted by: philmerrill | February 25, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is finsihed. Somebody tell her.

Posted by: nezbangi | February 25, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Qualifications for Commander in Chief under an Obama presidency:

Probably the strongest experience I have in foreign relations is the fact that I spent four years living overseas when I was a child in southeast Asia," said Obama, according to a Los Angeles Times report.

Posted by: brigittepj | February 25, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

SOUTH TEXAS IS SIMILIAR NORTHEST BRAZIL

I read the article of the NY Times yesterday, and I did imagine how many time the poor latinos are deceived for old politics there.
The south Texas is similiar the Northest Brazil. It's a poor region with big economic and social problems.
The northest region from Brazil is known as the pen or enclosure of old politics.
They explore the ignorance and poverty of people, living in this region, with promisses during election's moment to win votes of them.
In truth, they never wanted or solved the problems of this region, because they explore the poverty to win votes at elections.
I read also an other article of the NY Tymes, and it said who the Clintons participate of elections in this region since 1972, working for democrates campaign. Then I make one question for all: Why did the clintons solve not the problems of this region?
South Texas, it's time of changes and hopes... It's time of latinos to say "No" for old politics exploring for long time the ignorance and poverty of this region.

OHIO AND TEXAS READ IN THE NY TIMES WHAT MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN EXPATRIATES WANT TO PRESIDENT. THEY KNOW BETTER THE IMAGE FROM USA IN THE WORLD.

NY TIMES - Senator Barack Obama won his 11th straight nominating contest on Thursday, carrying the Democrats Abroad global primary by a 2-to-1 margin over Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton and prevailing among American expatriates in every region of the world.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/make-that-11-for-obama/

Hugs from Brazil

Posted by: Dalmo1 | February 25, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

I voted for Hillary and i regret it!
I think she should become a republican...
She probably hired Carl Rove as an adviser

Posted by: avazi10 | February 25, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

LYnching of Michelle Obama
I love to listen to Orally radio in my way driving home . Orally brings bone chilling, heart beating, important, yet frighting issues that effect our nation. Just the other day he had a debate with listeners who couldn't wait to express their opinions about whether or not to join lynch part against Michelle Obama. I was curious to where Orally founds his frighting yet brilliant topics, until i came across "tell from the crypts."
Half way through my nails, Orally potentially debated with the caller about how, where, when and why Michelle Obama should be lynched. I had a sigh of relieve when Orally said " I don't want to go on a lynching party against Michelle Obama unless there's evidence, hard facts...." Thank God i said to myself.
Right when I though that there 'll be no lynching of a black woman, then caller claimed that she got evidence, hard facts, and that Michelle Obama is a "angry and militant woman." Orally was not convinced, no sir. He went on to say "If thats how she really feels...thats legit. we'll crack it down."
By the time i reached home , i was frighten, shaken and left my seat all soaked. I couldn't escape the nightmares of Lynching Michelle Obama. Now every time i hear the word Obama, I crawl under my blanket

Posted by: avazi10 | February 25, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Hillary, dont drop out! We're gonna need a viable candidate soon:

CHICAGO (AP) -- Political fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko must remain behind bars while he goes to trial on corruption charges, a three-judge federal appeals panel said Monday.

The judge who will preside over his trial, due to get under way March 3, was right to revoke his bond and jail him as a precaution against the chance that Rezko might skip out beforehand, the appeals court said.

Rezko, 52, who bankrolled the campaigns of Sen. Barack Obama and Gov. Rod Blagojevich, had grumbled that life on his floor at the Metropolitan Correctional Center was so miserable that inmates had to share underwear.

U.S. District Judge Amy J. St. Eve jailed Rezko Jan. 28, saying he had disobeyed her order to keep her posted on his financial status.

Among other things, he failed to tell her about a $3.5 million loan from London-based Iraqi billionaire Nadhmi Auchi -- a loan that was later forgiven in exchange for shares in a prime slice of Chicago real estate.

Rezko gave $700,000 of the money to his wife and used the rest to pay legal bills and funnel cash to various supporters.

Questions?

Posted by: brigittepj | February 25, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Well, the Drudge photo answers the question of how far she or her supporters will go. Its just disgusting behavior, an attempt to "Willie Horton" when nothing else is working. Ultimately, the sheer hypocrisy after her "Shame on you, Barack Obama" speech is unbearable. Oh, and the gall of Maggie Williams to come out and condescendingly (as usual) accuse the Obama campaign of being divisive is absolutely RICH. Are they trying to regain the moral high ground by claiming to be naive about the impact of the photo?? They know as well as anyone that some pea brains will be reminded of Obama's "foreignness" and react accordingly. Obama divisive? Puh-leeze. Actually, I had been sitting on the fence with a slight tilt towards Obama. Either way, I had admired Hillary and would have supported her 120% for Persident. Unfortunately, this incident has changed my mind. I hope HRC loses the Dem nomination, and humiliatingly so. If she turns out to be the candidate, I am now likely to abstain, or even vote Republican - something I thought could NEVER happen. That is how disgusted I am by this. And I know I'm not alone. So, if Hillary wins, a large bloc of people like me could well sit out/defect. If Obama wins, a large bloc of marginal xenophobes will likely sit out/defect. Well done Clinton campaign. You just lost the Dem party the Presidency. Morons.

Bapi

Posted by: bapi.maitra | February 25, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

What a loathsome, unctuous man!
Mr. Ickes's proclamations reflect a man of repellent morality and compromised ethics.
Mr. Ickes reflects his anserine, clotted ignorance of all that is decent and honourable in civic discourse.
Do sue me, Mr. Ickes -- I welcome the occasion to use truth as a defence against humans of reptilian aspect.

Posted by: Suvarnarekha | February 25, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

!!!GNUS FLASH!!!

CONNECTION BETWEEN THE CLINTOONS AND DRUDE INDISPUTABLE!

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editorblog/054

Posted by: kevinschmidt | February 25, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Buzzflash.com says:

'Senator Hillary Clinton Continues Slander Campaign. She is Going Down the Tubes in the Tradition of Lee Atwater by Using Drudge to Smear Obama with Photo. The Clinton "Brand" Maybe Tarnished Beyond Repair.'

Unless the Clintoon "Brand" is trying to become, "The Spoiler Light."

Right Mr. Nader?

Posted by: kevinschmidt | February 25, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

In her latest lunatic tirade, Hillary has shown us she has more personalities than Britney Spears. This latest screed has only pushed away more supporters from her(as if she has any more to lose). Face it, Hillary, your days are numbered, and all of Bill's horses and all of Bill's men won't put your lousy campaign back together again. What a phony. Thank god America woke up in time to avoid another Clinton trainwreck.

Go Obama!!!!


Posted by: nezbangi | February 25, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

"God Help Us from these Three Gangesters"


Obama's pastor disses Natalee Holloway

'White girl goes off and gives it up' in Aruba, preacher pal says


Posted: January 27, 2008
6:49 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com


Sen. Barack Obama's longtime friend and spiritual adviser trashed the memory of a missing and presumed dead American teenage girl, according to church publications reviewed by WND.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the controversial minister of Obama's church in Chicago, cited the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba in complaining about what he sees as the media's bias in covering white victims of crime over black victims.

"Black women are being raped daily in Darfur, Sudan, in the Congo and in Sub-Saharan Africa. That doesn't make news," Wright said in the August 2005 edition of Trumpet Magazine, a publication of his Trinity United Church of Christ.

But, "One 18-year-old white girl from Alabama gets drunk on a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and 'gives it up' while in a foreign country, and that stays in the news for months!" he added. "Maybe I am missing something!"

The circumstances involving the coed's disappearance remain unclear, and the case remains unsolved. Holloway left Mountain Brook, Ala., on a May 2005 senior class trip to Aruba.


Barack Obama

Attempts to reach her family for comment were unsuccessful. But her mother, Beth Holloway, has written a book, "Loving Natalee," in which she reveals her daughter named Jesus Christ as one of the most influential people in her life in a trove of writings she found in her bedroom.

In the same 2005 church publication, Wright suggested "white America" had the 9/11 attacks coming, while calling for business "divestment from Israel," which he refers to as a "racist" state along with America.

"In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01," he wrote on page 7. "White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared,' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns."

Obama says he is "proud" of Wright and values their 20-year friendship.

Though Wright has nurtured Obama's political career as a close adviser and mentor, the Democrat presidential hopeful says they don't agree on everything. Wright married Obama and baptized his daughters.


Louis Farrakhan

In the November/December 2007 issue of Trumpet, Wright sang the praises of Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who has described whites as "blue-eyed devils" and Jews as "bloodsuckers."

"He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest," Wright said. "Minister Farrakhan will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African-American religious experience."

Wright then held Farrakhan up as a pillar of "integrity."

"His integrity and honesty have secured him a place in history as one of the nation's most powerful critics," he continued. "His love for Africa and African-American people has made him an unforgettable force, a catalyst for change and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose."

Farrakhan's photo is splashed across the cover of the church magazine, which gushes "the Minister truly epitomized greatness."

On Nov. 2, 2007, Wright presented Farrakhan with a "lifetime achievement" award during a Trumpet gala held at the Hyatt Regency Chicago. The tribute included a three-and-a-half minute video lionizing "the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan."

"For his commitment to truth, education and leadership, we honor Minister Louis Farrakhan with the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Lifetime Achievement Award," the video announces

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | February 25, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

"God Help Us from these Three Gangesters"


Obama's pastor disses Natalee Holloway

'White girl goes off and gives it up' in Aruba, preacher pal says


Posted: January 27, 2008
6:49 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com


Sen. Barack Obama's longtime friend and spiritual adviser trashed the memory of a missing and presumed dead American teenage girl, according to church publications reviewed by WND.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the controversial minister of Obama's church in Chicago, cited the case of Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba in complaining about what he sees as the media's bias in covering white victims of crime over black victims.

"Black women are being raped daily in Darfur, Sudan, in the Congo and in Sub-Saharan Africa. That doesn't make news," Wright said in the August 2005 edition of Trumpet Magazine, a publication of his Trinity United Church of Christ.

But, "One 18-year-old white girl from Alabama gets drunk on a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and 'gives it up' while in a foreign country, and that stays in the news for months!" he added. "Maybe I am missing something!"

The circumstances involving the coed's disappearance remain unclear, and the case remains unsolved. Holloway left Mountain Brook, Ala., on a May 2005 senior class trip to Aruba.


Barack Obama

Attempts to reach her family for comment were unsuccessful. But her mother, Beth Holloway, has written a book, "Loving Natalee," in which she reveals her daughter named Jesus Christ as one of the most influential people in her life in a trove of writings she found in her bedroom.

In the same 2005 church publication, Wright suggested "white America" had the 9/11 attacks coming, while calling for business "divestment from Israel," which he refers to as a "racist" state along with America.

"In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01," he wrote on page 7. "White America and the Western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just 'disappeared,' as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns."

Obama says he is "proud" of Wright and values their 20-year friendship.

Though Wright has nurtured Obama's political career as a close adviser and mentor, the Democrat presidential hopeful says they don't agree on everything. Wright married Obama and baptized his daughters.


Louis Farrakhan

In the November/December 2007 issue of Trumpet, Wright sang the praises of Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, who has described whites as "blue-eyed devils" and Jews as "bloodsuckers."

"He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest," Wright said. "Minister Farrakhan will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African-American religious experience."

Wright then held Farrakhan up as a pillar of "integrity."

"His integrity and honesty have secured him a place in history as one of the nation's most powerful critics," he continued. "His love for Africa and African-American people has made him an unforgettable force, a catalyst for change and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose."

Farrakhan's photo is splashed across the cover of the church magazine, which gushes "the Minister truly epitomized greatness."

On Nov. 2, 2007, Wright presented Farrakhan with a "lifetime achievement" award during a Trumpet gala held at the Hyatt Regency Chicago. The tribute included a three-and-a-half minute video lionizing "the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan."

"For his commitment to truth, education and leadership, we honor Minister Louis Farrakhan with the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Lifetime Achievement Award," the video announces

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | February 25, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

WOW! Check out Obama's record in Congress vs. Hillary's.

Obama clearly comes out on top:

'Clinton is a frequent co-sponsor on many of Obama's bills. So is Ted Kennedy. So are a number of Republicans.

Finally, Obama appears to have a better record last year in the Senate on getting his bills and amendments passed than does Clinton. I've listed everything that passed the Senate for each them at the end in boxes. But check out Thomas.loc.gov for yourself.'

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/20/201332/807/36/458633

Posted by: kevinschmidt | February 25, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Prediction: If she wins both Ohio and Texas, even by tiny margins, she will march on. She will continue even if she loses Texas and wins Ohion by 5 or more points. The only way she'll get out for sure is if she loses them both. Hopefully, the voters will understand this and give Obama the nod. If not, this is a fight which could destroy the hopes of Democratic president come November since Democratic money will be spent doing Republican homework.

Unless she can carry both Texas and Ohio by 5 points each, the party elders need to step in and remove her.

Posted by: chris | February 25, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

The Clintoons grow more desperate every day. Now that they are backed into a corner, they are behaving exactly like a wild desperate animal, lashing out with reckless abandon:

Do America a favor HillBillies, drop out now. Otherwise you will be despised much more than Ralph "The Spoiler" Nader.

Here is what Yahoo has to say about the latest Clintoon childish Karl Rove prank showing Obama dressed as a Muslim, even though he has been a Christian his whole life:

'So essentially camp Clinton is saying: it may or may not have been us, but even if it was us, that's fine, because the media is biased in favor of Barack Obama.

Does the end always justify the means? A stunt like this is almost guaranteed to backfire on Clinton, like so many of the campaign's previous attacks.

It was in poor taste to begin with, and the spin thereafter was clumsy and incoherent, reinforcing the fears among many Democrats that Clinton may attempt to tear apart Obama on the road to defeat."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080225/cm_thenation/45290136

Posted by: kevinschmidt | February 25, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I have No experience as a poliitical positionist. But this Joe-Ward guy from Marysville, Ohio 43040 does have one thing in common with other American Patriots,- I Believe in Our Founding Father's Principals, and Our Constitution,- creating - This Democratic Constitutional "Republic"! We The PEOPLE (not the corporations), of the United States of America,- Must exercise Our RIGHT of Sovereign Citizens to - "Take Back America Now"! Anti-American Globalist's have invaded Our Country. - They Are very smart,(da!) and extreme in the most under-handed ways. WE have possibly the last chance to CHANGE the Process of being taken over by the 'World Royal Families'! Call this a Time of Catastrophe or 'Heresy',- We Must somehow Unite as a PEOPLE against these Global Controller's. Laugh at me or ignore Our Founding - Father's Warnings; we could possibly be at the Turning-Point!? I am Just One Individual PATRIOT.(no Madison or Adams, I wish). The International Banking Elite, which DO rule the world right now, are afraid that We May possibly find a WAY to Unite and spoil their' agenda of world domination!? - Think this is a joke, - then continue to lay back and accept the $Economic Policies of these behind-the-scenes DEBT/INTEREST manipulators. My life has been threatended many times, and I have been told numerously that it is inevitable, peon! Please American Citizens,- "YOU" are the Only Hope, and this Is No laughing matter. I may be contacted for sharing ideas and/or HOPE,- for if there ever was a time in the history of ManKind;- thru - " jward52 ", maybe. -- "Grassroots-on-Fire", - {or let the jerks take over, & I hope I die fighting}!

Posted by: jward52 | February 25, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

The centerpiece of Obama's campaign is CHANGE. That goes two ways. Voters in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Texas can also effect CHANGE. These three states are in a unique position to make a CHANGE that will slow down Obama's momentum just long enough to give Democrats time to find out more information about Obama. If the voting in these states results in Obama becoming the nominee, the Republicans will be the ones who will find out what Democrat voters should have known before casting their vote.

1. What is behind the Obamas' original decision to keep voters from reading Michelle's college senior thesis by temporarily withdrawing it from all viewing or duplication until the day after the general election? Princeton reported that this restriction is scheduled to be lifted no later than Nov. 5, 2008.

The Obama campaign recently released a copy of the thesis to politico.com who posted it in a Feb. 22 article titled, Michelle Obama thesis was on racial divide. The link is: www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8642.html Her thesis gives the results of a study that she did at Princeton, using replies from questionnaires that she sent to black Princeton graduates.

2. Oprah said she is for Obama because he is brilliant. Voters should read an article in the Los Angeles times about some of his oops votes in the Illinois senate. The link is: www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obamavotes24jan24,1,7079399.story

3. Obama lets supporters believe that in 2002 he voted against the Iraq war. He was in the Illinois senate in 2002. When a reporter asked him how he would have voted, he said he didn't know. Why didn't he just say he would have voted no?

4. He spoke out against the IRAN resolution, but he stayed on the campaign trail and dodged the vote. When a reporter asked him why he missed that important vote, he said he apologizes for that.

5. When he was questioned about buying a piece of property next to his house from Tony Rezko's wife, he calmly said that was a bonehead mistake. He also downplayed his association with Rezko. Maybe there's more to his association with Rezko and maybe there's not. However, voters should be able to find out one way or another.

6. With Obama's oops votes in the Illinois senate, his letting people who are supporting him think he voted against the war, his tendency to worry about what his official voting record shows, and his dodging the vote on the Iran resolution are issues that voters should think about.

7. If Obama wins the presidency, he will run for a second term in four years. He missed the Iran resolution vote because he wanted to make sure that his voting record didn't show any vote. That way, his opponents would not be able to use a no vote against him in case that wasn't the right way to vote...and his opponents won't be able to beat on him like he has been beating on Hillary. Obama supporters can only hope that if he is elected president, his decisions will be geared toward what is best for our country and not what is best for getting re-elected in four years.

Please take the time to go to the links referred to above.

Posted by: mafox1 | February 25, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

WELL, THE CLINTON FANS HAVE GIVEN UP

"The air of inevitability that once surrounded Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton has shifted to challenger Barack Obama. In a new national USA TODAY/Gallup Poll, those surveyed predict by 73%-20% that Obama will be the Democratic nominee."

Posted by: kevinlarmee | February 25, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

I echo everyone who just asks that Obama's record be examined. He has never taken a stand against the most corrupt political culture in the US (Chicago, IL). He just used it to climb the ladder. He says he's against the war, then has the Crown family (owners of General Dynamics) as his chief fundraisers. He won't disavow Farrakhan. He's a user and a climber, and millions of Americans are falling for it.

Posted by: jaywpat | February 25, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse


Actually, if one has been closely looking at the lead stories in "The Washington Post" and "New York Times," at their respective websites since at least early February, the coverage has clearly favored Hillary Clinton.

The Clinton campaign has been using some of the same smear tactics as Republicans in recent years. I voted for Bill Clinton in 1992 and admired Hillary during the 1990's.
Yet I am very disappointed by their very negative campaign, which will only improve John McCain's chances of winning.

Experience is not the most important qualification to be president. To give but one example, then Stephen Douglas should have been elected president over Abraham Lincoln, whose only previous political experience had been in the Illinois state legislature and a single term in the House of Representatives.

Barack Obama is not perfect, I am disappointed with his opposition to free trade, but he is overall a far better candidate to be president than either Hillary Clinton or John McCain.

Posted by: Koreen | February 25, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

John Shorthall - When the Supreme Court and the voters chose G. W. Bush as our president, I remember thinking that they had just invoked the Peter Principle.

The Peter Principle is a colloquial principle of hierarchiology, stated as "In a hierarchy every employee tends to rise to his level of incompetence."

He was a part-time governor in Texas which afforded him minimal experience. When he was put into a situation that was above his intellectual level, the net effect was that he had to rely on others to give him guidance, starting with the basics. Hence, we ended up with the shadow president, Dick Cheney, and others such as Karl Rove.

Powerful words affect people emotionally and make them feel good, but experience does matter!

Posted by: mafox1 | February 25, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

We don't need to be lectured to by Republcan conservatives like Kristol. If he wants a flight over fag pins, it show what a small minded person he is.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | February 25, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Way back then when it didn't matter and Ickes thought his Hillary was going to be done by Super Tuesday, it was just fine with him to exclude Michigan and Florida because they didn't play by the rules. Now Hillary is in very serious trouble, Ickes knows it, and Ickes is reversing his position: Michigan and
Florida should be included. This one little bit of behavior typifies the entire Clinton operation. It is hard not to have a fair amount of contempt for Ickes and his current boss.

Posted by: lstrauss2 | February 25, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

We dont need to take our cues from Republicans, if you want to elect candidate who has a flag lapel then vote for McCain. All the sports teams now are brainwashed to have the flag on their uniforms, which demeans the democracy and right to have your own individual freedom that soldiers died for.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | February 25, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

yeah: like stories like: Hillary on the ropes", or "Hillary should quit", or Hillary struggles on"... or...

No, not media bias, just the truth. When this is over....Virgina was the beginning of the end...and Wisconsin was the end (of Hlllary)

It's over!
Obama is the Nominee

Posted by: kevinlarmee | February 25, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Political Science 101:

Clintons never loose!

Political Science 102:

Clintons are stronger as underdogs!

Posted by: Bar123 | February 25, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Political Science 101:

Clintons never loose!

Political Science 102:

Clintons are stronger as underdogs!

Posted by: Bar123 | February 25, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Democrats dont need to be lectured to by Kristol or have the bizzar spectacle of Hillary pretending to ut hawk the GOP. My President doesnt have to wear a bloody flag lapel, he has to honor the constitution. SOmeting tha has been in short supply with both Bush and Hillary.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | February 25, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Why is every featured article in the "Trail" about the Clintons? Every one, without exception. The media bias in favor of the Clintons is nothing short of staggering.

Posted by: rmorris | February 25, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

A preview of the general election argument by, Kristol, columnist in New York Times, published 2/25

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/25/opinion/25kristol.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Well, since we have not reached general elections, Democrats could still steer to a better fate.

Posted by: sangliu | February 25, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

To the Clinton supporters who like to complain that she is constantly maligned by the media while Barack Obama gets a free ride: Give us a break!

Has it occured to you that this is because the majority of what Obama has said during the course of his campaign is found to be factual and conversely, Clinton's statements are found to be misleading or in some cases just not true?

The Obama campaign has taken great pains to only state facts while Clinton's campaign says whatever they think will work which seems to change minute to minute. It seems that changing her story is the kind of change that Hillary Clinton is about.

Posted by: pfondiller | February 25, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

A while back I thought it would be a good idea to have a woman as president. I thought if we had someone without testosterone we might not have so many wars and become a kinder, gentler nation. But as I watched the debates and Hillary Clinton's antics I changed my mind. Maybe a woman would be ok, but not Hillary. Why? Watch closely at her finger wagging and jabbing while she is admonishing someone or confronting them on an issue. Then look at her husband and you'll see the same finger wagging and jabbing. I'll bet they do this a lot at home when they have a disagreement. Hillary is too confrontational, too abrupt, too stubborn and too coarse. I don't think she would be able to get into meaningful dialect with adversaries when things are not going her way. I don't think this will play out well in International relations. I believe Obama can hold his cool and use his intellect and reason to a far greater degree than she.

Posted by: jonsid | February 25, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Wild Card

I think it curious that no one is talking about the "cross-over" voters in these primaries.

Now that McCain is the likely Republican winner....how many Republicans are hedging their bets by voting for the Democratic nominee?

My guess, is that there's a lot. And my gues is that they're voting anti Hillary.

I suspect that it's an important factor in these open primaries (like Texas & Ohio). ...and maybe has accounted for the surge in votes "for" Obama in Virginia and Wisconsin...much higher (pro-Obama or Anti-HIllary) votes than the polls had predicted.

Posted by: kevinlarmee | February 25, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

A preview of the general election argument by, Kristol, columnist in New York Times, published 2/25

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/25/opinion/25kristol.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Well, since we have not reached general elections, Democrats could still steer to a better fate.


Posted by: sangliu | February 25, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

It wouldn't be the first time the Clintons did their best to destroy the Democratic party.

If Bill had one once of character he would have resigned for the good of the country and his party when Monica produced her blue dress. But he didn't have it in him and neither does Hillary. It's all about them and always has been.

Arguably the most experienced VP ever to run for the presidency after the most benign 8 year period in US history was defeated by a one term gov of Texas because the country was appalled at the way Bill had disgraced the office of the presidency and the Dems didn't have the guts to oust him like the Republicans did to Nixon.

The only thing that has brought the Democrats back was the complete incompetence of Dubya - and back come the Clintons - ready to lower the boom once again.

If Hillary wins the nomination the Dems may not get a whiff of the oval office again in this century.

Posted by: orourke6 | February 25, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is clearly the better man(person) of the two running for the Dems. There is no doubt that Obama is going to have a lot of things vetted that will make him look bad. I question "how" he is going to bring the nation together. Is he going to kill all the White people and make rape legal? That is what Robert Mogabe did in South Africa. Does anyone read history books. Abe Lincoln wanted to send the slaves home. That was why he freed them. Now Obama has come along and wants to run the United States of America and he has no experience at all. We may as well elect Nader because Nader would be honest and not a Muslim.

Posted by: Scruffy1970 | February 25, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

no she is not going to quit she would rather go down fighting in the gutter than retire like a lady.

Posted by: usaII | February 25, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

beccago: None of us knows exactly who gave the picture of Obama to the press. It could have been Hillary's camp OR Obama's camp. It's well known that candidates put things "out there" against themselves and blame the other candidate for it so that their supporters will get angry with the other candidate. It's been going on for years, and unfortunately it works. Whenever I read anything like this, I automatically ignore it until I get some factual proof of who did it.

Posted by: mafox1 | February 25, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

The Editor
The Washington Post

Dear Sir,

The current media coverage on the 'fight' for the Democratic presidential nomination between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama creates stimulating television viewing. The major TV corporations are having a field day, with wall to wall insider political reports and up to the minute in-dept analysis. Each day brings breaking news, with the big story on one candidate or the other - this is reality TV at its best. To the casual viewer or non-politically minded, this may feed a gentle curiosity, a virtual moment between Lost or Desperate Housewives, but to the more attentive observer of World politics, this is a defining moment, a time to decide, a time to pay attention.

As I write this article, my peripheral vision is distracted momentarily by a Fox News live coverage of Hillary Clinton, addressing a major rally. It reminds me of a scene from the Gladiator, with the crowd urging on their champion to perform more heroic acts, in order that they may achieve a higher euphoric state; a moment of ecstasy. Switch later, in between the commercials and you can witness Barack Obama, the new evangelist, the new 'Pop Idol' addressing 'change' to the World, with his spellbound audience chanting for more. This all makes for exciting visual entertainment, but unfortunately not good politics. A time for 'change' we hear the speaker urge his captive audience with perfect rehearsed timing and the skill of an Oscar nominee. The orator climbs a couple of more octaves and begs his subjects once again, 'are you ready for change' and just like scenes from any rock concert, a duly and predictable consenting roar descends from the rallying crowd. The adoring fans cry out for more and more they get, but the real question is, what is it exactly that they are seeking from their new found hero and what in reality are they likely to get? What is this change precisely, how is it going to be achieved and is this change for better or for worse and who really benefits?

The more disquieting issue is whether, this charismatic advocator of change has the credentials or maturity to assume the rank of commander-in-chief of the most powerful armed forces on the planet and what changes dose he advocate in the theatre of the Middle East conflict and other troubled neighborhoods, where change is mostly a non negotiable commodity. What experience does this aspirant young senator rely upon, to initiate ground-breaking political and economic changes, to bridge the gap between those who have most and those who have little, or to bring about 'changing America and changing the World'.

I find it interesting that when one contemplates the appropriateness of a nominee for appointment to high office in any corporate organisation, it is generally a prerequisite for the applicant to demonstrate qualifications for the post, with a proven track record in the particular field of engagement. Consider this; would the likable and stylish Barack Obama be appointed head coach to one of the major American football teams, by merely advocating 'change' to an assembly of the fans?

I will continue to watch with interest this political contest and trust that the American people will make the right decision on their candidate of choice, not merely because he or she has 'Pop Idol' or 'Gladiator' appeal, but in fact will have the ability to do the job.

Yours truly,

John Shortall

Posted by: jshortallconsultants | February 25, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

every move the clintons make is trash. they are trash. billary and hilliam.

Posted by: isometruman | February 25, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and Bill supposedly cut their teeth in George McGovern's Presidential campaign, which was doomed by the efforts of the pro- Vietnam War, Humphrey/Scoop Jackson wing of the party to prevent McGovern from leading a united party out of the 1972 Convention. But what lesson did they learn from that disaster for Democrats? Apparently Harold Ickes is contemplating the same type of "salt the earth" effort to undermine an Obama candidacy. If Billary and their team can't win, they want to make sure that Obama loses in November, giving the aging Hillary one more chance to reclaim her entitlement in 2012.

Posted by: dmooney | February 25, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Vote for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hillary Clinton is a vindictive, old shrew, a Goldwater girl masquerading as a Democrat, and a person totally consumed with obtaining power, punishing her enemies and getting rich from bribes. She's hiding millions of dollars in corrupt deals with foreign governments by her husband and her.

Barack Obama is crack smoking, drug-dealing, gay, black Muslim extremist. He is totally under the control of Louis Farakhan and Osama bin Ladin, who write his speeches and give him his marching orders every day. Obama can't even read or write and is just mouthing fancy words fed to him through a hidden earpiece while pretending to read from notes or a teleprompter.

Vote for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Write in "mnjam."

Or the people writing his garbage about Obama or Hillary may want to take a big drink and many deep breaths. Or possibly megadoses of thorazine.

Posted by: mnjam | February 25, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

It's not that Obama is a messiah. It's just that he's so much better than the other candidates.

Look at their pathetic attacks. The GOP attacks him because he doesn't wear a flag lapel pin, and was once pictured during the national anthem with no hand on his heart. They prove again that patriotism is the last refuge of a party of scoundrels.

And Hillary, sending Matt Drudge photos of Obama "lookin' forrin" to get the xenophobe vote. Did she learn this stuff campaigning for Barry Goldwater as a teenager? Is she going to accuse Obama of having a black baby?

Posted by: Bud0 | February 25, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

For sure, sheer desperation has beset the Billary campaign.

They can't decide who Hillary ought to be from one day to the next. They script this cute Hillary moment at the end of the last debate with all intentions of using it in a TV ad. (Incidentally, I believe the "teary Hillary" bit on NH Primary Eve was also scripted.) Now they want to seat MI and FL delegates despite they agreed with the DNC's decision to not seat them.

The Clinton campaign looks more like the bush 2000 campaign every day! Screw the rules! Win at any cost! Ridicule, lie and cheat!

Show Barack Obama in traditional Somali clothing! Yep, that'll scare everybody!

What a sorry, arrogant bunch of people are these Clintons. In lies and fear-mongering, their behavior may historically very well put bush and his buddy rove to shame. What a party republicans must be having with this Clinton debacle.

Tomorrow night's debate should be quite interesting, indeed. On the part of Hillary, I expect a textbook display of schizophrenia.

Posted by: binkynh | February 25, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

rsesdees,
If you have an urge to apologize to someone for anything , please apologize for your own lack of mental acuity.
If you have fallen prey to the vacuous rhetoric of this empty suit , you should apologize to your children for passing on your deficient genes.
If as you suggest , I led "those of my ilk" in an exodus from this country , along with the capital we have invested in the country's economy , you could have your Utopian socialistic country like Cuba.
Be careful what you wish for , you may get it!

Posted by: algibbs | February 25, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Clinton supporters... how can you read the lines up there and gag?

The guys slings mud with that old "Rezco" thing- how quick would he pretend to be aghast if someone brought up Whitewater? Being 'vetted' is only good if you're found to have NO skeletons in your closet

Then, the clincher- the guy who HELPED strip Florida and Mich. of their delegates, trying to keep a straight face when NOW insisting that they should count; despite a written statement from Clinton in the beginning that they would NOT count.

You know, I'm starting to really despise Clinton. I can't vote for McCain because of his policies, but it's more and more likely that if Hillary steals this election (Obama has gotten more than a million more votes popularly), I'm staying home. I bet a lot of others will too.

Posted by: fake1 | February 25, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Do you think HRC would run as an Independent? Way more credibility than Ross Perot and an easy way to a "fresh" start - particularly with the campaign organization already in place (albeit with some new, competent faces).

Posted by: bpkern | February 25, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Once more, we hear the argument from Senator Clinton's camp that she is the only candidate able to weather the "Republican attack machine."

Have her supporters ever considered the fact that this fearsome machine runs in a large part on the high octane fuel provided by her?

Posted by: jd5024 | February 25, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

As a 53 year old professional white male, I would like to apologize for algibbs and the many other white males like him. Hopefully, he will take his own advice and leave the country when Barack is elected, like a Pied Piper taking his ilk with him .

As a resident of Illinois I could not be more proud of Barack Obama if he were white, green or red, white and blue.

Posted by: rsesdees | February 25, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry that you are losing your mind because you planed your campaign to end on Super Tuesday February 5, 2008. Oh yea, It's the new Super Tuesday March 4, 2008...whats next.

Please go seek some mental help after next Tuesday since it is apparent the you are in need of it. Sorry that the CLINTONS are the most hated people in America today.

It is all Bills fault. You would have more of the Black vote if you would have campaign on your own.

Posted by: MsRita | February 25, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

"Ickes used everything in his bag to make the case that perceptions of the Democratic race are misplaced and that calls to consider calling it over are just plain wrong."

This is what troubles me; not that Clinton pulls out all the stops, but that she has to so often. No reserves, not in cash, credibility, or anything that matters. She's an incredible fighter, but she doesn't know how to pick her fights. The whole pamphlet thing (who do you know who actually reads mailers? and remembers them?) would have given Barack far fewer votes if she hadn't brought it to the attention of a TV audience, where like it or not most people get their news. TV is long on subtext (facial expressions, gestures, tone of voice) and short on policy detail. She needlessly pulled the fight out of her homefield and into Barack's. That is not what I call intelligent. That's not the kind of person I want fighting for me, someone who'll exhaust every last ounce of strength where it shouldn't be spent and be left with nothing for the important battles.

Barack knows how to fight intelligently. The fact that he's made most of what Clinton's thrown at him boomerang back on her is proof that he'll be able to handle McCain and the Republicans in Congress (of which there will be fewer than if Clinton's elected).

Posted by: treetopflyer | February 25, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

What Ickes means to say is, "there is no compelling reason for HRC to stop paying me."

Posted by: Felipe_M | February 25, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Remember the Cincinnati Bengals of yesteryear? Their running back, Ickey Woods, would dance after scoring a touchdown.

It was called the Ickey shuffle.

Now, instead, in Ohio we get the Ickes Hustle.

He sure is earning his exorbitant salary.

After Texas and Ohio, I hope he'll accept a personal check.

Posted by: steveboyington | February 25, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

If her campaign is for us, why is Hillary "reassuring" her donors. I don't think Obama has to reassure his $25-50 donors after the so-called loss in New Hampshire. Its Obama whose campaign if for us not Hillary. Her campaign is for professional consultants ike Ickes who make their livelihood off of democratic politics.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | February 25, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

After seeing Clinton's behavior in the primaries, I would vote for McCain before I would vote for her, and this is coming from a life-long Democrat.

I wonder how Bill feels about her trashing his legacy.

Posted by: wideblacksky | February 25, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Who needs to win any states to win the nomination? Not Hillary.

Just ask her strategist.

Posted by: steveboyington | February 25, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Who's money is she wasting?

Ickes? He's the McGovern guy right? Went from 72 to 17 in the polls under Harold's stewardship.

The race is over. Whose gonna oppose obama in 2012?

Posted by: robertell | February 25, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Hillary, you might WIN if you run to the right of Obama (pretty easy to do), after all that is where the American people are. Instead, all this vetting nonsense. Maybe Socks should run, is he still alive?

Posted by: merganser | February 25, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

This sucks...Im a democrat and If she is not in the ballot, well, I'm voting for McCain. I don't think Obama has the backbone to be an assertive president. My 2Cs.

Posted by: dreamspellarts | February 25, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

sgr_astar wrote:

"You just emulated Obama by saying you want knock a lady out?"

We are not talking about a boxing ring, which is barbaric no matter what the gender of the opposing fighters. You cannot claim equality for women and complain about someone who figuratively wants to "knock a lady out" - would it be any different if one spoke of knocking a man out? You cannot have it both ways; she is equal or she is not.

Posted by: spinotter | February 25, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Newsweek's Alter: Hillary Should Get Out Now

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http://www.newsweek.com/id/114725

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Totally agree. She has already done way to much damage to the party and has virtually no chance of winning. What's the point?

Posted by: zb95 | February 25, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

It seems Hillary has more troubles, actually big trouble. God seems to have decided to bless "Her" son from Illinois.

In what the "Hillary and Bill Campaign" billed as a major foreign policy speech to be given by Hillary at George Washington University today, in reality turned out to be another crude anti-Obama speech. About half way through the speech, Hillary lost her voice, had to drink water, and spoke with a raspy voice barely above a whisper (as reported by ABC news tonight.) As ABC reported, in four days Hillary went from nice, to scolding, to mocking, to anger. The Gods are not happy with her antics over the last 72 hours.

You think she'll plead illness for the debate tomorrow and ask Bill to step in?

Posted by: NewEra | February 25, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's not afraid to fight, because she's fighting for you!

Posted by: niksiz | February 25, 2008 03:36 PM

That is the problem I don't want Hillary fighting for me I want her to inspire the country to be the best it can be!

If I want a person who knows how to fight I would vote for McCain

Posted by: scootab | February 25, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama up 16% nationally, now up 4% in Texas, closing the gap in Ohio. THAT is reality, not spin. Hillary is peeing into the wind.

Posted by: gmundenat | February 25, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Louis Farrakhan endorsed Obama today!! Yeah!!!!!

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Its a big tent. Can't exclude anyone who is willing to come in out of the cold.

Posted by: zb95 | February 25, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

NAFTA is killing Hillary in OH. That is why she freaked over the mailers that were factual and accurate.

Posted by: zb95 | February 25, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

zb95,
MOre good news for Obama!

Louis Farrakhan endorsed Obama today!! Yeah!!!!!

Posted by: brigittepj | February 25, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

This nonsense about the Pledge of Allegiance and the National Anthem and the bodily contortions appropriate to both is really too absurd. When in 100 years (or 200 years, etc.) all of the present nations in the world have been subsumed into one world government, perhaps with regional languages and customs, won't our descendants be amazed at the parochial customs prevailing in our times? "They were able to split the atom and they argued about whether to place their hand over their heart when a piece of tribal music was being played!!!!!" Strange universe.

Posted by: spinotter | February 25, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

What Hillary and her supporters fail to realize is that the "Supers" are watching and I am sure they do not like what they see. I suspect many are ready to pull the plug on Ms Clinton before she does anymore damage.

Posted by: zb95 | February 25, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I hope Hillary keeps fighting - she is clearly the best candidate. As for the squeals of Obama's chosen people, he has fought a negative, snide campaign - he totally dismissed Bill Clinton's tenure as President, whilst approving Reagan's legacy. The total farce of the Iraq war vote - I expect most of his voters actually believe he voted against it, but news flash - he wasn't a Senator. Why does he claim to have clean hands when he has voted to continue the funding?
As for NAFTA, perhaps someone should point out to Obama that the majority of jobs are going to China and India - nothing to do with NAFTA at all - ask Sen Obama how he plans to deal with the real issues and get him to explain that to the unemployed in Ohio.
Of all the negative tricks he's pulled the worst one is the race issue - I am astounded that he's managed to get away with smearing Bill Clinton as a racist, and that it went unchallenged by the MSM and all the so-called Democrats who have allowed this slur to go unchallenged. It is a disgrace and if Obama can only rise to the top by trashing the facts, it will come back to haunt him.
Obama said we're in the 'silly season' that's the first thing he's said that I agree with, and the silliest thing of all is that he has convinced so many people that he's the right candidate for President.

Posted by: bessmount | February 25, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

At this point in the primary election season, only about 30% of registered Democrats voters have voted in these past primaries, and Obama and Clinton have split this 30% - 15% each. It is my pet theory that Obama's 15% is mostly comprised of the same sort of left-wing liberals who derailed Joe Lieberman's bid for the Democratic Party's 2006 nomination to the U.S. Senate. As you most likely know, Sen. Lieberman ran as an independent and won reelection by a wide margin over Ned Lamont, the Democratic Party nominee.
Democrats, beware, there may be another hijacking - by your leftist radicals - going on here.

Posted by: ajp1474 | February 25, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

She's hanging in because we need an electable candidate:

Obama says he found religion and Jesus Christ through Reverend Jeremiah Wright, whom he met in the mid-1980s. Wright, who is refusing all interviews, is the pastor of Trinity church .
Obama has been attending Wright's church regularly since 1988.

In 1991, Obama joined the church and walked down the aisle in a formal commitment of faith. Wright later married Obama and Michelle Robinson and baptized their two daughters.

The two are so close that Obama chose the title of his bestseller "The Audacity of Hope" from one of Wright's sermons. Wright is one of the first people Obama thanked after his election to the Senate in 2004.

Just before Obama's nationally televised campaign kickoff rally last Feb. 10, the candidate disinvited Wright from giving the public invocation. Wright explained: "When [Obama's] enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli" to visit Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi with Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan, "a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell."

According to Wright, Obama then told him, "'You can get kind of rough in the sermons, so what we've decided is that it's best for you not to be out there in public.'" But privately, Obama and his family prayed with Wright just before the presidential announcement.

Though, ignored so far by the MSM, all year Wright has been attracting attention on right-wing websites for describing the September 11 attacks as a "wake-up call" to America for ignoring the concerns of "people of colour", and for claiming that Americans "believe in white supremacy and black inferiority . . . more than we believe in God".

They point out that Wright and Trinity church and subscribe to the "Black Values System", which preaches self-reliance but claims "middle-classness" is ensnaring blacks.

Posted by: brigittepj | February 25, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

The bad news just keeps on coming for Ms Clinton:

Cincinnati Mayor / Superdelegate Mark Mallory Endorses Obama

http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/gov/2008/02/mallorys-statement-on-obama.asp

Posted by: zb95 | February 25, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Hillary's latest focus group polling has her doing the John Kerry prayer in the pic for this article. Did she credit him? Seems unlikely that she would have his permission, given that he is right now out stumping for Obama. Embarrassing.

Posted by: gmundenat | February 25, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

More bad news for Hilary:

Former Cleveland mayor Michael R. White switches from Clinton to Obama.

http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/02/former_cleveland_mayor_michael.html

Posted by: zb95 | February 25, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's big campaign strategy today from her million dollar strategists: Send photo of Barack in turbin to Drudge. That should turn the tide. LOL!

Posted by: zb95 | February 25, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

I have a take Mr. Balz. Get a pair and start doing some reporting on your own rather than reiterating word-for-word the latest from the Clinton spinsters. It seems everyday that the press is more interested in regurgitating the latest 'exclusive' conference call from the carefully planted and fully scripted campaign aid. I have an idea, it's called REPORTING. The idea of this REPORTING, is to go out, ask people questions, explore facts, test them if they make sense or not, and present a detailed fact filled story, representing if you will multiple perspectives, not simply the campaign aid that gave you a hand job this afternoon.

Thanks so much, but you gotta' earn that dolla'.

Posted by: muaddib_7 | February 25, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

And when you thought it could not get any worse:

Gennifer Flowers is putting the tapes of her recorded conversations with Bill Clinton during their 12-year affair on the auction block, Vegas Confidential learned Monday.

http://www.lvrj.com/columnists/normclarke/breaking_news/15949272.html?normBN=true

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What a joke this campaign is becoming with the Clintons involved.


Posted by: zb95 | February 25, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

New national Gallup poll: Obama leads Clinton 51-39. -- More bad news for Hillary!!!

Posted by: zb95 | February 25, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Remind me again just what HER experience is.

Fist lady and a bad one at that: no baking cookies (arrogant, dismissive), travelgate (corrupt and incompetent), heath care debacle (grossly incompetent), republican landslide (corrupt, lack of leadership, not like by America), letting Bill play with interns, corrupt to the core. (disgusting)

Experience shaking down Marc Rich for cash in exchange for a pardon from her husband. Destroying records subject to an investigation, Whitewater corruption, a small investment that magically turns into a fortune, and on and on.

If that's experience we can count on, then let's all run the other way and reject this dishonest, arrogant, mean, vindictive, self-pitying, thin skinned, vicious hack. Also, we have to keep Bill out of the White House so he doesn't attempt to sexually abuse any more interns.

Cigar anyone?

Posted by: ben2 | February 25, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

PPP Poll: Obama Surging in Ohio - Clinton's lead cut to four points (50%-46%) -- WOW!!!!

Posted by: zb95 | February 25, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Breaking CNN Texas poll: Obama 50, Clinton 46.

More bad news for the Clintonians!!!!

Posted by: zb95 | February 25, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Holy sh*t!!

NYT/CBS National poll Obama 54 Clinton 38

Message to Hillary: Negative attacks are not working.

Posted by: zb95 | February 25, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

The best thing that could happen is for the political insider class aligned with Clinton to be given their walking papers by the voters. Its about time they made an honest living. When they had the chance they didnt change a thing, just about ruined the Democratic presence in Congress though. I say fight all you want, but like rats on a sinking ship good riddance.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | February 25, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Ohg and wdsoulplane,

You want us to go to Daily Kos to read about Obama's senate record? Have you ever been on DK. It has lost all its credibility, to include Markos, it's founder, and has become nothing but an Obama lovefest where Clinton supporters are unashamedly bashed. Nothing there is true, it's all Obama propaganda.

Posted by: brigittepj | February 25, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

BRING PATTI BACK....BRING PATTI BACK!!

Posted by: maddogjts | February 25, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

ds11: I wish there would be a revote in MI and FL but the Clintons don't want it because now Obama has he momentum and will probably win both. The states don't want it because of the cost. Seems MI and FL made their choice and now they must pay the price. They will be seated eventually but not until the nominee is determined.

Posted by: zb95 | February 25, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

This story is so telling of the underlying problem in this campaign. The reporters "laughed" when Ickes suggested they should dig deeper into Obama's background? Really?

Well, somebody better do it before the right wing media get a hold of him and we find out something that makes Obama unelectable. Maybe they are laughing because they already have the goods on him. Who knows?

Posted by: brigittepj | February 25, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Phil5,

Your comments about Chelsea are extremely offensive. Please refrain from these kind of comments for the sake of our country. We are having a serious discussion here, there is no room for such comments here.

Thanks.

Posted by: ezboy03 | February 25, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Harold Ickes sounds like a crook to me, but birds of a feather usually do flock together.

Stripping Florida and Michigan of their delegates made sense to Harold Ickes when he and the Clinton campaign agreed to it and now Ickes admits that was before the votes were meaningful.

At the time [of the DNC vote], we were worried about the calendar," he told the incredulous reporters. "That aspect is over."

WHATEVER!

Posted by: InHarmsWay | February 25, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary wins Texas and Ohio, she should:

1. Demand a revote in Michigan and Florida. Offer to pay for a portion of the costs for a re-do on the primary.
2. Ask Senator Obama to support this revote in the interest of the Democratic party.
3. Relentlessly point out that she's won California, New York, Florida, Michigan, Ohio, Texas, the biggest states in the country.

The only scenario I can envision which ends in her nomination is for her to sweep Ohio, Texas, and then, Pennsylvania.

Then, assuming a revote, she wins Florida and Michigan again.

She holds her own in the remaining states, preventing an Obama runaway.

She uses the electability argument to try to swing enough superdelegates her way.

Not really likely, but it could happen. The key is to push for the revote.

Posted by: ds11 | February 25, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton moves the bar once again. Before, they needed to win big in Texas and Ohio, now Ickes suggests that just win one or the other and they say they are still in it. They are twisting reality. Without big wins in Ohio and Texas she cannot make it close. Obama has a 150+ pledged delegate lead. That is huge, probably insurmountable with just a few big states left. The Clintons are in desperation mode just trying to hang on as long as they can hoping for some miracle. In the meantime they are bashing Obama and ripping apart the Democratic party.

Posted by: zb95 | February 25, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey ezboy03

You're an O-Bot

You need some C*H*A*N*G*E

232 years of BOYS running the show

Let's try a GIRL

Posted by: mike | February 25, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Poor Hillary

She can't beat Obama on the high ground so she decided to drag him into the gutter where she feels comfortable. Reminds you of someone else who is presently in office.

Posted by: paradocs375 | February 25, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Google "Clinton convicts" and see the results, that is the legacy of the Clintons from the 90s.

HRC's campaign assumes that we are stupid and dull, hence the Hillary is fully vetted nonsense -
1. Clintons have refused to release the names of donors to the Clinton Library fund
2. Clintons have refused to release their tax returns.
3. The $5 million Hillary loaned her campaign comes from a joint account with Bill, who is in bed with all kinds of crooked businessmen and felons he pardoned on his way out of office for Cash.

Fully vetted indeed. America deserves better, Reject the Clintons.

Posted by: ezboy03 | February 25, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Chelsea has Herpes from her dad.

Posted by: Phil5 | February 25, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I wish Linda Tripp had sent those tapes to Sadam Hussein and just forgot about it. Bill was having sex with Monica in the Oval Office while Yasser Arafat waited in the Rose Garden. Chelsea went to an elitist school. And Hillary is a viable candidate. How messed up the DemoRats are.

Posted by: Phil5 | February 25, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

eine1, it's is the contraction for "it is".
I stated "If you aren't it's (it is) dumb.
You are incorrect!

Posted by: algibbs | February 25, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

You just emulated Obama by saying you want knock a lady out? Thank you! Each time you say something like that, Hillary get two more votes.

Posted by: sgr_astar | February 25, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I wish Barry would change his suit. He's been wearing the same suit for more than a year. How about them Khakis that he was wearing in Kenya - what happened to them?

Posted by: mike | February 25, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

She needs to wake-up and smell the meatloaf her husband's current lover is cooking! It's all but over. Sadly, the wanna-be Socialist Queen seems incapable of a graceful exit. And, even if she did win the nomination, there's no way she could ever beat McCain - Obama maybe, her - never.

Posted by: chrisjholt | February 25, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

@AlGibbs

"The church at which both of them worship is unabashedly Afrocentric an racist. The church recently honored Louis Farrakhan who is a known racist."

For one Obama has publicly said he doesn't agree with his church magazine's choice of giving Farrakhan an award.

"As I have said earlier , if you are black I understand your support of Obama. If you aren't it's dumb!"

You are a clear example of the fact that having a college education doesn't confer upon you common sense or the ability to reason. And might I add, for someone with two graduate degrees from a good school, you should know when to use "its" instead of "it's".

Posted by: eine1 | February 25, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Clinton proving not to be "Presidential" enough! After an early poll lead provided by the liberal news media, Clinton engaged in non issues, distractions, candidate Vs. candidate attacks, and avoided all but a few selected issues, and her husband even caused disfavor... Her rhetoric caused a decline in her acceptance with voters, thus she is behind. Obama, even though he did likewise, was somewhat "forgiven" due to his youth and inexperience. Overall the Dems. are proving to be non Presidential! The Republicans have stayed on message for the most part addressing most of the issues. Their messages and positions are mush more clear to voters, who must have the facts on issues and positions in order to cast an educated vote. Therefore, the Republicans win on issues, however, they better register more voters if they expect to win the election! Monty Ousley Weddell TX

Posted by: jhutt123 | February 25, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

yeswecan, I'm not a liar. If you will go to the wapo postings for "williepete 1" for yesterday he posted four websites where you can access her entire thesis.
I read it yesterday. It is available if you wish to take a little time and check williepete1's posting from yesterday.

Posted by: algibbs | February 25, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Is it not painfully obvious to all that Harold Ickes is nothing but a slippery, slimy paid weasel? It seems to me that the press has exercised unusual restraint by not bluntly calling him on it...

Posted by: mvkniat | February 25, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

For all of my 63 years, I guess I have been an unpatriotic American. When the national anthem is played, I always stood and removed my hat, if I was wearing one. I never put my hand over my heart nor did anyone else around me. When I said the Pledge of Allegiance, then I placed my hand over my heart.
Well, I guess when a campaign is void of any ideas or a coherent strategy, they have to use whatever is available even if it is a manufactured and false issue.

Posted by: NewEra | February 25, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

yeswecan 1, Jeez guy , you really aren't too smart are you??
"You called me on it" LOL Are we playing some kind of poker?
I'm not real sure what "trying to sway the determination" means?? Is that Ebonics or something?
What is a "desiring need for intelligence"?
Maybe you can translate that into English for me.
As for your "diversity" , That is just another code word for giving blacks special rights to things they can't earn.
Finally , I won't need your invitation should the country be stupid enough to put Obama in the white House. I'll put my money offshore and do the expatriate thing for his tenure. You see I may not be for diversity , but I have been very successful in my lifetime!!

Posted by: algibbs | February 25, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

"As a senior adviser to Clinton, he wants the two delegations seated, despite a ban imposed by the Democratic National Committee."

"As a member of the Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws Committee, however, Ickes voted with others to strip the two states of their convention privileges."

What an assinine, two-faced Jerk Hillary has hired.

Posted by: Absolute_0-K | February 25, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

algibbs....you are a liar and I'm calling you on it. Princeton has confirmed that Michelle Obama's papers are on lock and key and with two graduate degrees....you should know that unless a student or alumi gives the institution approval to release their papers, via past or present..that institution can't release the papers. I too have a graduate degree and seeking a PhD. I have been asked by my past university on a few occasions permission to use my papers as a guide...

Posted by: YesweCan1 | February 25, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I am just ready for Hillary to go away. The more I listen to her speak, the more I watch her on television the less she looks anything like a President/Commander In Chief. I know the Republicans are praying for her to become the nominee because John McCain will win. The Republicans already know how to handle a Clinton. They're not quite sure yet what to do with an Obama.

Posted by: sweetynsc | February 25, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

eine 1 , I missed no bus , short or otherwise. I have two graduate degrees from a good university , I'm financially independent and don't need your affirmation or approval to be comfortable .
I have observed the Obamas for the last few months very closely. I have read the college papers that She wrote for credit at Princeton.
Unlike some of the ardent supporters of Obama my perception is quite good.
He has played the race card deftly and often ,and Michelle has displayed her racism in writing in her "paper" at Princeton.
The church at which both of them worship is unabashedly Afrocentric an racist. The church recently honored Louis Farrakhan who is a known racist.
As I have said earlier , if you are black I understand your support of Obama. If you aren't it's dumb!

Posted by: algibbs | February 25, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

algibbs....you are a racist and I called you on it....stop trying to sway the determination.....your lack of common sense and your constant rhetoric displays your desiring need for intelligence. Once Obama wins the nomination and shortly after, the Presidency....for all of those acinons like yourself...if you don't like it and can't stomach the change and diversity (after all this is what America is all about) and the end to the Iraq war, pack your unpatriotic bags and hit the road, move to Germany, hell somewhere....just get the heck out of America! America don't need you and certainly don't need anymore jacka** making us look stupid with thier racist rhetoric.....

Posted by: YesweCan1 | February 25, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

LIFE IN THE BUNKER

It is easy to predict when Hillary will exit the race.

When she has to spend HER money.

She "loaned" her campaign $5 million, then she repaid herself BEFORE paying small business owners owed money by the campaign-deli owners etc.

If the Titanic is fine-why has the Captain boarded the lifeboat?

Sleeze, slime and crime. All Clinton -All the time.

Posted by: JaxMax | February 25, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey Billy7
Sounds like you're a Racist too!!

Posted by: mike | February 25, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

RyanHealey

Ahhh, I remember back in the day when Bill was the media's darling...

NO ONE has an argument with Hillary fighting for her campaign. She should be fighting and giving hell. But she's not calling Obama on issues that matter i.e. issues, policies, "media bias." The flyer was out weeks ago like it was something new.

I voted for Hillary, but i must say she's looking pretty pitiful. And spare me the "women can't be seen mad" rhetoric...i learned it all in women's studies class.

Posted by: Keliza64 | February 25, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

algibbs
40 states, Pal. only you and you're white hooded friends don't seem to get it. We, as a nation are no longer at a lunch counter in Selma.......It isn't the 60's anymore. My guess is that you have a lot of junk cars in the back yard of the lot you park your trailer on

Posted by: Billy7 | February 25, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

yeswecan1 , I'm curious about what I said that would make you think I hate Jews , Hispanics , or women.
I love women! I have great admiration for the Jewish people as a whole , they are probably the most intelligent people , as an identifiable group , in the world!
I have absolutely nothing against Hispanics , that are in this country legally ,or in their own country. So your comment simply says that you are sadly lacking in perception , or are prone to making rash judgements!

Posted by: algibbs | February 25, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

@AlGibbs
You not only have missed the bus, but you must have missed the short bus. Obama's mother is WHITE. How can this guy be racist against white people when his own mother was white and he was raised by his white grandparents.

But then again given your posts in this article your ignorance on the subject is not surprising.

Posted by: eine1 | February 25, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary Clinton is fully vetted," he said. "There' s nothing left to vet."

If that is so,

1. Release your income tax returns, Mrs. Clinton. As you said, Americans have a right to fully vet you. We need to see your tax returns, particularly now that you have gone from being impoverished to a multimillionare. Otherwise, it appears that you might have something to hide.

2. Release your records from from the National Archives from when you were in the White House. Your excuses on this subject don't agree with your statements about being "fully vetted." As you said, Americans have the right to fully vet you. Release the records!

Posted by: markshepherdstown | February 25, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Billy7, I wasn't aware that I was in the closet. It's your boy who is a closet racist. He and Michelle are both racist. I have seen enough to make that determination easily.
I'm confident that the country will pick up on that fact before November.

Posted by: algibbs | February 25, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

algibs.....you are a white racist so what's the difference....too bad you aren't running for President....by the way your racist comments aren't patriotic either....are you a supporter of Hilter and the arian nation?....You don't sound like a true american...you sound more like a Hilter supporter who hates Jews, blacks, hispanics, and women). Or better yet, since you seem to speak so much on behalf of the south and white vote, are you from Jena?

Posted by: YesweCan1 | February 25, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

What I find interesting about Clinton supporters is that they keep complaining about an Obama "cult," but their posts consist of three basic lines of attack:

1) regurgitate Clinton's campaign slogans;
2) Post statements of abject support like "go girl" or "Go Hillary!!!!!!!" as though they were arguments
3) attack those that don't agree with them as not "understanding" their position, or seeing the "truth" in their statements.

These tactics seem much like a cult's actions to me - reiterate the leader's points, demonize your opponents, and think that those who don't follow don't "get it." I hereby dub this phenomonen the Gospel According to Clinton. Let them lambast the so-called "cult of Obama" if they want, but recognize that the Clintons have their own cult of personality to cling to.

Posted by: alterego1 | February 25, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

'Carl' Rove LOL

Posted by: maddogjts | February 25, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

The race IS over. Obama is the face of the future. His voters are the future of the Democratic Party. The Super Delegates know this and, for the good of The Party, will go with Obama. Let's put the dream team together. Obama/Richardson in the WH, Edwards as AG Hilary in the Senate and Bill being a good ex-president. Think of what they could accomplish working together!

Posted by: thebobbob | February 25, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey
eine1

Yah C*H*A*N*G*E

232 years of BOYS running the show

Let's try a GIRL

Posted by: mike | February 25, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Billy7 , I wish you was a betting man and had lots of money! I'd love to place a substantial wager on your 40 states for Obama assertion. LOL Which southern state do you think Obama can carry? I'll tell you NONE!That fact alone would do your 40 state prediction in!
He will get the east coast (north of Virginia) , and the left coast (the land of fruits and nuts) and lose the fly over country in between plus the south!
Get used to saying president McCain.
There is going to be a lot of residual angst with the Hillary folks after the primaries that will hurt Dem turnout and whether you believe it or not race will play a huge role in the fall race.
Republicans should retain the WH. I just can't imagine the country being so dumb as to elect a black racist as President!

Posted by: algibbs | February 25, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I believe it best for Hillary to stay in and get knocked out. It would be messy for Obama to win by a decision. When he knocks her out there will be nothing to talk about. As far as the next challenger; if it's McCain, it will be a good fight also; and he will be defeated likewise. This is a New Day. Everyone is having their chance to make their case even Nader and Cynthia McKinney. Obama "08" will put to rest all these pretenders to the Presidency.

Posted by: dmscontractor | February 25, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Algibbs.....you are a prime example of a Clintonian supporter, uneducated, bigot, racist, and states opinionated comments with no supporting facts....Got a suggestion for you.... read a credible book...Racism kills the brain....

Posted by: YesweCan1 | February 25, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

4 out of 5 blacks vote for Barry. THAT's Racism friends

Posted by: mike | February 25, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

@Mike

"Change? Vote for a GIRL"

That is patronizing and insulting to call Senator Clinton a GIRL. She is a grown woman and should be addressed as such. The same way that it would be patronizing and insulting for people to call Obama, "Boy."

Furthermore, it is borderline treasonous to suggest that people should vote for her because of her sex. No, if you vote her, let it be because you think she is the best candidate for the job.

I personally do not believe she is but I hope that people are fair in judging her, whether it be good or bad.

Posted by: eine1 | February 25, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I really feel sorry for Hillary and a lot of her racist and pathetic supporters. I hope that when all of this is over and she does loose that she seeks medical attention. Because it's evident that she is on a meltdown....she is beginning to act like Britney Spears. OMG!! That's ashame...this saddens me...

Posted by: YesweCan1 | February 25, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

The country has an historic chance to elect its first woman president, and frankly Hillary should never, ever, ever give this up until every last possible option is exhausted at the convention. This is about more than this campaign, it is about history and overcoming the patriarchy in this country, and for these reasons alone, Hillary will never quit.

Posted by: brendan03us1 | February 25, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Here's the skinny for those of you too slow to pick up on it:

Obama is the future.
Hillary is the past.

Posted by: nezbangi | February 25, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

The desperate and inaccurate comments by the Clinton Campaign are contributing ammunition to the McCain group and are wounding the democratic party. It's coordinated and a great deal of it consists of calling in iou's for past favors and future promises by Bill and the Senator. Mrs. Clinton has contributed so much to so many positive efforts. I still hope she will call up her finest voice and speak for the future of the country and not her own priorities.

Posted by: Millington1 | February 25, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey algibbs,
Why don't you just say you're a racist and get out of the closet?
Obama got three time the vote of all the republicans combined
in K A N S A S ! ..........duh

Posted by: Billy7 | February 25, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

HRC and her group of attack dog advisers are quickly expending all confidence anyone may have had with this candidate at the onset of this campaign.

When this fiasco began the media had already "crowned" her with the nomination -what the media misread was the mood and the opinions of the voting public. They had her picture on the front page of nearly every newspaper in the nation.Now there are those in the HRC camp "blaming" the "left leaning" media for flip flopping (the very same tatic she utilizes) and jumping on the Obama bandwagon. Newspaper, and all the media, only intend to be on what appears to be the winning side (at least at the time).

Whether or not Obama would grow into being a good/great/adequate president if elected is not determinable at this time. What we do not need, at least in my estimation, is another 4-8 years of the Clintons any more than we need another 4-8 of the Bush dynasty. HRC is interested in only one thing and that is the Clinton legacy and to satisfy here ego. We deserve more than that.

We should also keep in mind that whoever is elected is going to have to do battle with the most entrenched and corrupt group of people in the country and that is the Congress of the United States. Attempting to alter their despicable conduct will require the intestinal fortitude of an elephant. Nothing any president may wish to present or change must go through them and they can and will destroy anyone or anything that is not palatable to the "good old boy" system that has run amuck these past 16 years.

As one who has viewed politics since the '36 election of FDR I find the conduct of HRC the most divisve the Democrat party has ever had the privilege to view.

I sincerely hope that the young voters see through this quagmire and demand more of their elected officials than they are now receiving.

Posted by: dharper | February 25, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

What happened to Michelle? No more speaking in public?
Wonder why?

Posted by: mike | February 25, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

The repulicans would attack the Pope with dirty tricks if it would serve their purpose. John McCain lost to Geo. Bush. Bush has flunked at every turn and has the record to show it. McCain has been a Bush supporter. I think the voters of this Country are finally wise to The right wing BS.....Independents and crossover Republicans will give Obama 40 states. Hillary couldn't pull that off. Kiss right wing talk shows goodbye. They are stuck with McCain.

Posted by: Billy7 | February 25, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

At first I thought it strange that there were so many Obama supporters on this site , then I realized , after all this is "Washington D C !" Last time I was there it appeared to be 80 to 90% black so of course D C readers of a Washington paper would support a black candidate.
I'm betting that by the time the general election rolls around the rest of the country will wake up to just what this guy is all about and McCain will win handily.
I just can't believe that the country has suddenly gone brain dead enough to put this friend of Farrakhan in the White House.

Posted by: algibbs | February 25, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

A new day a new personality for Hillary. So sad, almost pathetic.

Obama says "Yes we can" and I believe. Hillary says in essence "No we can't."

Actually, it should be "no she can't.[be president]"

Posted by: gwbush2323 | February 25, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

yeah right nezbangi

Do you think Barry and Michelle don't want power? Do you thin they just want to HELP us. Grow up.

Posted by: mike | February 25, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is now nothing more than a waste of oxygen. Sure, she's planning to cheat like crazy and deprive the democrats of their first truly great candidate in 45 years, but she could care less. All she cares about is power. She won't even release her tax returns that would reveal all the dirty money she has received from arab shieks over the years. She's owned lock, stock, and barrell by the very interests she claims she wants to defeat. Insurance companies have been pulling her strings for years, but America has finally woken up to her phony baloney ways. Obama is the great hope of these states, not you, Hillary. Go back to your mansion in new york and keep an eye on Bill. The rest of us will be just fine without your shrill, disagreeable haggery.

Posted by: nezbangi | February 25, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

The WashPo is run by O-Bots. Not ONE story investigating Barry the boy-wonder. Giants in journalism. No worries, you guys can all go work at Fox News with the other Hillary haters for the next 8 years.

Change? Vote for a GIRL

Posted by: mike | February 25, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama seems a lot more mature and smarter than the posters here. It must be halloween because all the patriot gobblins are coming out with their dire predictions. My suggestion is look around and visit some other countries too, you might find out that we have not been progressing here for a long time. You know what happen to Greece, Rome, England. As for me, I am happy to support Obama who appears to have the maturity to deal with a country that has gone off the deep end lately with Bush and Hillary.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | February 25, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Here's a prediction...there will be far, far more Hillary supporters (both major supporters and average voters) who will support Obama than the other way around. If he isn't the candidate, she would have to take me to lunch, divorce her tiresome husband, and lose smug punks like McAuliffe and Ickes before I would give her a nickel.

Posted by: Jaxxon | February 25, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

mbuterba , You are simply wrong! he has refused to pledge allegiance to the flag , and I have seen the photograph where he Ms Clinton , and another lady were standing on a platform during the pledge. He was mute (according to those there at the time)and had his hands clasp in front of him while the ladies were saying the pledge and had their hands over their hearts. (as is the American custom)
He refuses to wear a flag lapel pin of the flag!
He belongs to a racist Afrocentric church!
Michelle stated that 'for the first time in her adult life" she was proud of her country. She is 44.
She wrote a paper while at Princeton that is so blatantly racist that it made my blood boil!
If you are black I can understand your support of this couple. If you are not black , supporting them is downright stupid!
I don't think this country is that stupid , but if it is , like I said I can live anywhere I want to ...and with them in the WH it won't be here!!

Posted by: algibbs | February 25, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Germany "battled" in Berlin in the closing days of the war. Much the same as Hillary and her goosesteppers are "battling" now. It has been over for some time now, Hillary cannot win.

Posted by: gmundenat | February 25, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama definitely has a history of aggressive and dirty politics. Much of his background is not widely known to the public, but will be if he runs for president.

From a story about how Obama first gained public office in the Illinois State Senate (Chicago Tribune April 4, 2007):

The day after New Year's 1996, operatives for Barack Obama filed into a barren hearing room of the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners.

There they began the tedious process of challenging hundreds of signatures on the nominating petitions of state Sen. Alice Palmer, the longtime progressive activist from the city's South Side. And they kept challenging petitions until every one of Obama's four Democratic primary rivals was forced off the ballot.

His overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office, even if that meant elbowing aside an elder stateswoman like Palmer.

A close examination of Obama's first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it.

One of the candidates he eliminated, long-shot contender Gha-is Askia, now says that Obama's petition challenges belied his image as a champion of the little guy and crusader for voter rights. "He talks about honor and democracy, but what honor is there in getting rid of every other candidate so you can run scot-free? Why not let the people decide?"

Had Palmer survived the petition challenge, Obama would have faced the daunting task of taking on an incumbent senator. Palmer's elimination marked the first of several fortuitous political moments in Obama's electoral success: He won the 2004 primary and general elections for U.S. Senate after tough challengers imploded when their messy divorce files were unsealed.

Obama contended that in the case of the 1996 race, in which he routed token opposition in the general election, he was ready to compete in the primary if necessary.

Asked whether the district's primary voters were well-served by having only one candidate, Obama smiled and said: "I think they ended up with a very good state senator."

And he defended his use of ballot maneuvers: "If you can win, you should win and get to work doing the people's business."

So, Obama eliminated his competition, ran unopposed, rather than letting the people decide, and quickly rose to power.

Posted by: carolee1 | February 25, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Many years ago, when I was a small child in China, watching Olympics games on TV for the first time. I saw something really strange: If an American team won, they always won in streaks with great confidence. If they lost, there is nothing to stop them from keep loosing. We have an adage which says failure is the mother of success. In america, failure seem to be the mother of more catastrophic falure.

In this election, I saw for the first time, an American, who have the spirit to keep fighting, regardless of all the losses, all the betrayals from her own party and her friends, and all the prejudice against her. She is the American that I respect, and can be the real winner in this world.

Posted by: sgr_astar | February 25, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

algibbs -- i guess you did not see that he does pledge allegience to the flag. I know I don't hold my hand over my chest when at a game and the national anthem is on, nor do all those that sitting around me, we are singing. Your answer boasts ignorance, pleas educate yourself.

A patriotic American would not leave Osama Bin Laden go free by attacking Iraq based on lies, costing another 3000 American lives for a war totally based on oil and fat Haliburton contracts. That is UNpatriotic!

Posted by: mbuterba | February 25, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Mr Ickes , with all do respect - advise your candidate it would be in HER best interest to get out with dignity . Oh wait , after this weekend and today...she doesnt HAVE ANY ! But u made millions , congrats on your failure.

Posted by: soflindie | February 25, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

After seeing Obama standing during the national anthem with his hands clasp low in front of him , seeing Michelle say how she is only now proud of her country , and reading her paper written while she was at Princeton , which was blatantly racist, I can't imagine why any patriotic American could vote for the Obamas.
If the country is stupid enough to put this pair in the White house , I am going to give some serious consideration to moving my money and my home address to somewhere else for the duration of their tenure!!!

Posted by: algibbs | February 25, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I urge readers to look at this.


Obama's Africentric Ideas Need Further Examination


http://caglepost.com/column.aspx?c=5510&pg=1

Posted by: FPecar4525 | February 25, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

On SUNDAY??
OH No She Didn't.??

SHAME ON YOU HOLLARY !!!
For Todays (SUNDAY) Sacrelege, blasphemy, and Atheism..
Mocking the Christian belief in Salvation.
Poking fun and Sarcasm at Believing that Heaven can Open up the sky to those who believe. Laughing at the notion that there are Celestial Angelic Choirs in the Heavens, Hurling sarcasm at those who would believe they can hear. Laughing at Hope.. Laughing at GOD..!!!
Hillary..Can you say Moses?
Did he not part the Red Sea and free his people from the Pharoh?
Who are you Hillary Rodham to tell us all not to believe that all things are possible through our Lord Our God?
It is dillusional to Hope The Lord God would ever extend his ever redeeming, ever forgiving ever everlasting Love to Our Nation? To America and her United States Citizens??
Its dillusional On SUNDAY to think this could be possible ?? 2/24/08
One thing is certain..It won't be possible under your leadership. You are a non-believer.
I suppose that deceased Dallas Police Officers family should abandon any HOPE for his Salvation. His life was lost performing a difficult and demanding job too. There aint NO GOD coming for him either. Right Hillary??
May God have mercy on your immortal soul Hillary Rodham.
SHAME ON YOU HILLARY RODHAM
The Lord works in mysterious ways....
And today God exposed your true dark soul to the world. And In so doing, the Nation and the World will be better served.

Posted by: tsimsis | February 25, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Give me a break. Since when is soaring speeches a crime? You would think Hillary is against Teddy Kennedy, Mario Cuomo and every democrat who ever inspired other democrats to vote. What exactly is the media supposed to say that they are not? That Hillary has better written position papers? This is a context for President of the US, not student body president at Wellesley. Democrats are sick and tired of the losing, uninspiring self contradicted candidates like Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter and now Hillary. They want to try something new and why not. Its not like Hillary did the slightest thing to stop the war or move legislation in Congress. All name and no action.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | February 25, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Hillary did not have to go Negative to win. There was another way, but I am sorry that She did not have the intelligence and wisdom to know what to do. The reason why Obama is winning because he is not about this GOT-CHA politics, but chooses to debate the issues. Believe me, as all of us know, he could bring up all kind of Dirty things on the Clintons, but this is negative politicking, politics that tears you down and not build you up. Obama is not about this, he wants a more uplifting and unifying tone to dominate Washington, so we can get some things done. Time waits for no one and we must measure up to our times. We must find newer and more positive ways to do things and address our problems. It's called problem solving. And Obama has over 20 years of experience coupled with Judgement.
"
I Found the BEEF - Senator Obama's Senate Record"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/21/164117/783/290/461422

Posted by: wdsoulplane | February 25, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The recent "attacks" from Hillary pale in comparison to those that Obama can expect from the Republicans. There are 527 groups just waiting to unload on him. If he is now whining because Hillary is finally challenging him, then he has absolutely zero chance against the Republicans. To think that what Hillary is throwing at him is tough, is living in the fairy tale land that Obama speaks about.

Posted by: danielvinson | February 25, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

At one time I liked Hillary Clinton. I thought she dealt with the public embarrassment of her husband's messing around with real class, but the more I see of her, the more I just see a person absolutely desperate to be president. Not for the good of the country, but to prove something. Now she's completely bonkers - crying and screaming and raging and accusing. She's gone bonkers. I'm tired of Bushes and Clintons. Let's move on.

Posted by: lsoiseth | February 25, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that Hillary Clinton has tried to pull out of the race a couple of times now, only to have others, with their own agendas, coax her to fight on and on.

Posted by: TigerPaw1 | February 25, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

There are several compelling reasons for Ms. Clinton to stop her quest now.

She can't win without the super delegates overturning what is obvious to any unbiased observer: Democratic and independent voters prefer Obama over Clinton.

Her continued run is increasingly likely to fracture the Democratic Party, leading to a loss across the board for Democrats, as well as alienating a new generation of the voting age population.

Finally, with her out of the race, Obama can focus on defeating McCain in November and helping elect more Democrats to positions across this country.

Reasons for her to stay in the race? Self-serving interests, an inability to accept reality and a lack of respect for the voters of America.

Posted by: CaptainJohn2525 | February 25, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY CLINTON HAS NO CHOICE! For months now Obama has made soaring speeches and gone totally unchecked by the media who is in love with him. Now, because he has been allowed to say anything and never be challenged he could end up getting the Democratic nomination and then be exposed by the Republicans as totally unprepared for the job of President nor having any idea what to do once elected risking a Republican win in November. The Clintons are having to the Media's work for them by exposing Obama's flaws. Shame on the media for not doing it's job sooner. Bashing Hillary at very turn while hugging Obama every day is not evenly enforming the public.

Posted by: RyanHealey | February 25, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Harrold Ickes is a jerk, just like Karl Rove is a jerk. Why should anyone listen to this hack who isnt likeable and would tear down the party to help Hillary win. Its not going to work. Lets take the political wind out of the sails of the cynical types. Let them fight against the wind and lose, and send them packing from Washington. Anyone who believes Hillary is fighting for us, is delusional. She is the most egotistical, paper position driven candidate who is not likeable and divides everyone. She is in it for her ego and the Clinton's.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | February 25, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I agree 100 percent with beccajo's comments. The Hillary double-talking Smear Express left the station a long time ago and will do everything legal and illegal to win the nomination that is owed to the Clinton dynasty. We Dems are so repulsed by Hillary's campaign tactics that she has lost a good number of us party loyalists. And so with the Democratic Party if she becomes its nominee. By playing such hardball dumb-ball, the Clintons may just succeed--pulling every string in the party machine, playing dirty and dirtier each disgusting day. And I and hundreds of thousands like me will turn to a third party--the Independents Party.

Posted by: shirleylim | February 25, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Clinton campaingn is in its last throes, and is throwing out anything to see if it sticks. HRC tactics, most observers will view, as insult to collective intelligence of the electorate and will sure to backfire on HRC. She tried shedding crocadile tears on the eve of New Hampshire primary, HRC's now discredited husband attempted divisive tactics of race mongering before SC primary, called foul before Nevada cacuses for allowing cacusing in the casinos and now she is throwing temper tantrums. She now looks unelectable because her behavious appear schizophrenic. HRC's tactics seems to indicate that she wants to get the nominations by any means, even if its divisive; but does not understand that she is driving dems amd independents away from her. She has now become an object of ridicule.

Posted by: ramu1 | February 25, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's not afraid to fight, because she's fighting for you!

Posted by: niksiz | February 25, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary Clinton is fully vetted," he said. "There' s nothing left to vet."
--From the candidate who refuses to release current tax information...until the nomination is hers.

Posted by: Dave20707 | February 25, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Lets just stick with the rules that are in place, the young voters who are in this game now will be highly discouraged otherwise.

The country should accept whomever wins the race - but keep to teh rules. The next generation (and the world) is watching.

Posted by: J_thinks | February 25, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I am a democrat. I have been committed to voting for Obama, but would have accepted Hillary in the event she won the primary. However, now there is no way I will vote for her. After she has turned on him like a vicious attack dog, and her people have published the picture of him in his African robes,etc., I will have nothing to do with her campaign. This is mean and dirty and smacks of Carl Rove. Democrats are not supposed to act like that and I am ashamed of her

Posted by: beccajo | February 25, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton Campaign is a Sleaze Factory.

Posted by: PulSamsara | February 25, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

"If" Hillary wins Texas and Ohio. That is a big "if" with reports like this abound:

Texas Primary- Hillary vs. Barack:
http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=50

I'll give her credit though, she sure is not giving up (she is working hard), although some of the tactics seem a bit odd-ball.

Posted by: davidmwe | February 25, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

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