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IRS Investigating Obama's Church

By Jacqueline L. Salmon
The United Church of Christ, Sen. Barack Obama's spiritual home, is in hot water with the Internal Revenue Service over a speech Obama gave to its national convention last June.

The IRS has notified the UCC that it has opened an investigation into Obama's address at the UCC's 2007 General Synod in Hartford, Conn., the UCC said yesterday.

According to a copy of an IRS letter that the church received Monday, the IRS is launching the inquiry "because reasonable belief exists that the United Church of Christ has engaged in political activities that could jeopardize its tax-exempt status."

Under federal law, churches are barred from becoming directly or indirectly involved in campaigns of political candidates.

According to a text of the speech posted on the church's Web site, Obama promised to sign a universal health care bill in his first term as president, and he denounced the Iraq war.

"I have a plan that would have already begun redeploying our troops with the goal of bringing all our combat brigades home by March 31st of next year" according to the text. He also said "our conscience cannot rest" until genocide in the Darfur region of Sudan is stopped and 12 million illegal immigrants get a chance to earn their citizenship.

An IRS spokesperson declined to comment. But a UCC spokesman, the Rev. J. Bennett Guess, said the investigation is "disturbing news."

"We went to great lengths to make sure no laws were broken," he said.

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Oh, good. Now the IRS can tell me why it never investigated the tax status of Elizabeth Dole's church. She announced her last bid for the Senate here in NC at a meeting at the church. Seemed like a pretty political kind of activity to me. I think it was a local Methodist Church, I reported it at the time but I guess the IRS must have lost my report. I'm going to look it up and send it to them again. I'm sure it was just an oversight on their part. No way the IRS would be using their power and authority to investigate Obama's church and not Dole's.

Posted by: Susan E. | May 9, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

You can bet this, that if the churches, including Wright's church, were preaching pro USA government policies rather than questioning them, the IRS wouldn't say a thing.

You don't have to be a blind conservative not to see it, just an ignorant one to deny it.

Posted by: Dennis | May 9, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

The IRS has a legitimate case for inquiry. All church's should follow the law of the land. Obama's church is no exception to the rule; even if he thinks he's Gods gift to our nation. God's gift? Well more like Satan's gift. I see alot of attempts to dupe voters and alot of secret agendas . All this preoccupation with Africa? We are concerned with our nation. Which is going through a crisis of the human spirit ; as well as the human condition. Personally; I am afraid of the sudden blindness of Americans which is tempered by what they want to hear and see. Not what is really going on. Not to sound like a cynic, but Germany was going through a crisis before they embraced a man who spoke eloquently and promised them the world....... Be careful America. Lest you grab at a trickster and end up losing your souls..........

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Posted by: wycf yedp | April 11, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

Obama's efforts to connect to the Republican Party, specifically Bush, and Dick Chaney, of the Halliburton Company, dates back to the Presidents Grandfather, Prescott Bush, and indeed Chaney was once an executive officer of Halliburton.

The American military pounds Iraq with Artillary, bombs, and the like, destroying large sections of cities, and infra-structures, then Halliburton comes in to rebuild. Halliburton and Halliburton associated companies have raked in ten's of billions.

Obama is just like the BIG HALIBURTAN. Haliburton has contracted to build detention centers in the U.S. similiar to the one in Quantanammo Bay, Cuba. Halliburton does nothing to earn the Two Dollars for each meal an American Serviceman in Iraq eats.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

Halliburton was scheduled to take control of the Dubai Ports in The United Arab Emiirate. The deal was canceled when Bush was unable to affect the transfer of the American Ports.

Now we see what some might suspect as similiar financial escapading from the Democrats.

Two years ago, Iraq's Ministry of Electricity gave a $50 million contract to a start-up security company - Companion- owned by now-indicted businessman (TONY REZKO) Tony Rezko and a onetime Chicago cop, Daniel T. Frawley, to train Iraqi power-plant guards in the United States. An Iraqi leadership change left the deal in limbo. Now the company, Companion Security, is working to revive its contract.
Involved along with Antoin "Tony" Rezco, long time friend and neighbor of Democratic Presidential hopeful Barack Obama, and former cop Daniel T. Frawley, is Aiham Alsammarae. Alsammarae was accused of financial corruption by Iraqi authorities and jailed in Iraq last year before escaping and returning here.

LIKE FATHER LIKE SON --
Recently, Obama's campaign staff have been vetted by the IRS to disclose his connection to the criminal money generating underworld. Besides, his connections to the REZCO MAFIA types, his up-coming tax fraud charges -- Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and disclose Obama's MUSLIM Farrakhan mob connection to Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ. Its minister, and Obama's spiritual adviser, is the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. In 1982, the church launched Trumpet Newsmagazine; Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive editor. Every year, the magazine makes awards in various categories. Last year, it gave the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award to a man it said "truly epitomized greatness." That man is Louis Farrakhan. Farrakhan and Chicago's Trinity United Church are trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. Obama should stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It's time to introduce this false, fake Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke "GLORK" Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek. He is MAD!!! --

OBAM YOU'RE NO JFK --

"GLORK" Obama looks like Alfred E. Newman: "Tales Calculated To Drive You." He is a MUSLIM "Glork" He's MAD!!! Alfred E. Neuman is the fictional mascot of Mad. The face had drifted through American pictography for decades before being claimed by Mad editor Harvey Kurtzman after he spotted it on the bulletin board in the office of Ballantine Books editor Bernard Shir-Cliff, later a contributor to various magazines created by Kurtzman.
Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It's time to introduce this false, fake "GLORK" Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek.

Michelle Obama should be ashamed.

"GLORK" Michelle Obama should be ashamed of her separatist-racist connection to Farrakhan and Chicago's Trinity United Church trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. If Michelle Obama new what her husband -- the Hope-A-Dope, Fonster Monster -- Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama did in Harlem, she would wash her wide-open, Hus-suey loving MUSILM mouth out, with twenty-four (24) mule-team double-cross X-boX-BorraX. He is a MUSLIM "Glork" It's time to introduce this false, fake "GLORK" Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek. He's MAD!!!

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

THE SPEECH --

The Apologia has arrived and once again the self-indicting, separatist-racist Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama, promises to heal the wounds of the world. The speech is the rude awakening of mass messianism of his campaign. Apologetically, Obama the MUSLIM double-cross X-boX-BorraX has an astonishingly empty two-prawn echelon explanation of his misjudgment.
In the first prawn: with regard to his connection to separatist-racist Rev. Wright; Obama summons voodoo and juju to express slavery as beginning and ending with the Rev. Wright.
In the second prawn: Obama's speech takes credit for Ashley's dream. A dream of unity Martin Luther King, Jr. borrowed from Ashley for his historic "I Have A Dream" speech. In Obama's speech, the connective bond Ashley, the elderly black man and Obama's grandmother share; represents Obama's self-indicting rise to the Harvard Yard. For Obama, the grand flag of language is the semi-fore of words, bestowed upon our nation by the messiah-alumni from Harvard. Obama's Swoon-Song Apologia to the nation represents a failed hymn -- a hymn that fails to heal the nation, repair the world, or make this time different than all the rest. Obama's speech is a brilliant failure.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

Posted by: jreno12 | March 20, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

The very thought that I am allowing a so called church, and I don't care if its black, white, yellow, red or any other color to make statements at tax payer expense to incite this type of anger and hate amount the people of our country is beyond reason.
Life, death and taxes are pretty tough on everyone, I doubt anyone ever used the N word when referring to me but then I do believe I have been called whitee, fat, old, crude, to mention just a few...so why would it be right for me to inspire this sick kind of racial hate?
I believe churches who are exempt from paying takes are incorperated in the state where they reside, therefore they are an entity of the State and therefore the State has the right to close their doors, if you don't think so then do some research on Arkansas when Bill Clinton was running for president and a church located in Little Rock was being threatened of having their doors closed by the State of Arkansas for making derogatory statements about Bill Clinton.
Why do we allow so called black churches or black men who proclaim themselves as ministers to continue making these kind of racial statements in our news, and through tax free venues? Sure I get it "freedom of speech" I attended churches most of my adult life and I never ever heard a white minister make such hate filled statements either in church, outside church or in private conversation, it would defy the very principal on which they obtained their ordination and basic charge to present and defend the gospel. Like man get a clue and practice the word your supposed to be preaching... for now get out from behind the pulpet because you don't belong there, on the contrary you need to spend some serious time reading the gospel and humble yourself.
For now how can we believe the likes of Obama who suggest in 20 years of sitting in that church that he never heard such a racially charged sermon. Well Mr. Obama what was it your wife said just a few weeks back, something that suggested changes would be coming and as I recall it came across like Black people of our country would be super empowered in some way. Did that come from your minister? How can you sit under that for 20 years and not be brain washed in some way? Perhaps you should examine your true motives for why you want to become president of the United States.

Posted by: lrrylmbrt | March 16, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jreno7 | March 8, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Our pastor atttended the conference in Hartford. He noted that in addition to Sen. Obama, speakers included Lynne Redgrave and Bill Moyers. He noted the Senator's remarks did not concern politics.

He did state there were some campaign tables but they were well outside the conference facilities and were on public sidewalks.

This would all seem to be well outside the IRS scrutiny.

As tax time does draw near for many Americans, these controversies are also reminiscent of Christ's Tax Return itself as noted by that First Century CPA Saint Matthew, in The Gospel According to Saint Matthew 17:24-27 .

'... "What do you think, Simon?" he asked. "From whom do the kings of the earth collect duty and taxes - "from their own sons or from others?"

"From others," Peter answered.'

Peter and Jesus had to go fishing for their tax money.

Maybe this time it is the IRS which has nothing to do but fish.

:-)

Posted by: bobcampbell | March 5, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama's efforts to connect to the Republican Party, specifically Bush, and Dick Chaney, of the Halliburton Company, dates back to the Presidents Grandfather, Prescott Bush, and indeed Chaney was once an executive officer of Halliburton.

The American military pounds Iraq with Artillary, bombs, and the like, destroying large sections of cities, and infra-structures, then Halliburton comes in to rebuild. Halliburton and Halliburton associated companies have raked in ten's of billions.

Obama is just like the BIG HALIBURTAN. Haliburton has contracted to build detention centers in the U.S. similiar to the one in Quantanammo Bay, Cuba. Halliburton does nothing to earn the Two Dollars for each meal an American Serviceman in Iraq eats.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

Halliburton was scheduled to take control of the Dubai Ports in The United Arab Emiirate. The deal was canceled when Bush was unable to affect the transfer of the American Ports.

Now we see what some might suspect as similiar financial escapading from the Democrats.

Two years ago, Iraq's Ministry of Electricity gave a $50 million contract to a start-up security company - Companion- owned by now-indicted businessman (TONY REZKO) Tony Rezko and a onetime Chicago cop, Daniel T. Frawley, to train Iraqi power-plant guards in the United States. An Iraqi leadership change left the deal in limbo. Now the company, Companion Security, is working to revive its contract.
Involved along with Antoin "Tony" Rezco, long time friend and neighbor of Democratic Presidential hopeful Barack Obama, and former cop Daniel T. Frawley, is Aiham Alsammarae. Alsammarae was accused of financial corruption by Iraqi authorities and jailed in Iraq last year before escaping and returning here.

LIKE FATHER LIKE SON --
Recently, Obama's campaign staff have been vetted by the IRS to disclose his connection to the criminal money generating underworld. Besides, his connections to the REZCO MAFIA types, his up-coming tax fraud charges -- Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and disclose Obama's MUSLIM Farrakhan mob connection to Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ. Its minister, and Obama's spiritual adviser, is the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. In 1982, the church launched Trumpet Newsmagazine; Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive editor. Every year, the magazine makes awards in various categories. Last year, it gave the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award to a man it said "truly epitomized greatness." That man is Louis Farrakhan. Farrakhan and Chicago's Trinity United Church are trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. Obama should stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It's time to introduce this false, fake Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke "GLORK" Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek. He is MAD!!! --

OBAM YOU'RE NO JFK --
"GLORK" Obama looks like Alfred E. Newman: "Tales Calculated To Drive You." He is a MUSLIM "Glork" He's MAD!!! Alfred E. Neuman is the fictional mascot of Mad. The face had drifted through American pictography for decades before being claimed by Mad editor Harvey Kurtzman after he spotted it on the bulletin board in the office of Ballantine Books editor Bernard Shir-Cliff, later a contributor to various magazines created by Kurtzman.
Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It's time to introduce this false, fake "GLORK" Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek.
http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

Posted by: jreno2 | March 1, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Wow there are some real raving idiots on this post. First of all, whoever says all churches should be shuttered is a complete and total moron. Churches, Synagogues, Mosques and, yes, even mormon and Jehova's Witness congregations do far more good than the bad apples do bad. Yes, a lot of fundamentalists watch Fox News and prefer ignorance to enlightenment, but the church and the search for the divine is not something to be disparaged. Its a choice, and its...somewhere... in the "Constitution" i think... oh Yeah, THE FIRST AMENDMENT "no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" Get over yourselves. Just because you're incapable or choose not to search for anything beyond the physical does not mean you should insult the billions of people who do. Further, Many might consider Church a pursuit of Happiness too which.... would place it squarely.... in THE FIRST LINE OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.

So, you're gonna have to find a different place to live if you want freedom FROM religion. Try Space.

And Fixitj - grow up. Seriously, you stumble through one story about child molesting priests and suddenly every church in America (despite the fact only 1/4 of them are Catholic) is a haven for child abusing priests. Gimme a break, you're an idiot and a bigot.

While I'm on a roll here,LOONEYBIN2000 - BTW (by the way) thanks for that clarification (explanation) of what "rue" means. I can't wait (to pause in expectation) to cast my vote for Farakhan and Oprah, they're both on the ballot this year right? What in the hell ( a place of fire and brimstone - slang in this context) are you talking about. The one's a racist (to be prejudiced without cause against a race of people - see "LOONEYBIN2000") anti-semite who was roundly (wholly, completely, emphatically) rejected at Tuesday's (the third day of the Roman calendar week) debate (a sanctioned argument between two or more contestants), and Oprah is a talk (to use the voice in communication)show host, the richest woman (the child-bearing gender of the human animal) in the world (a place, large, round, blue) and a donor of hundreds of millions of dollars (the currency of the United States) to charitable causes. As far as Oprah and Obama getting tax free status - again - what are you talking about? That not implied at all in the story, and, uh They don't. Obama has made his tax return public - go check it out. Oh, and you're an idiot (fool, slaggard, to be slow in wit and pitiable in communication) too.

Posted by: Nemotoad | February 28, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

USAalways - regarding your statement of Obama as being unpatriotic -- When did you serve in the military? How have you contributed to society? What have you done in your community? How have you served people outside your family?

Posted by: dotheresearch | February 27, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

eclecticelder

I agree. It is a waste of the tax payers money.

Posted by: dotheresearch | February 27, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

The media needs to address the fact that Obama belongs to a church whose minister, Obama's mentor, Dr Wright has close ties to Farrakhan, whom he nominated for a lifetime Man of the Year award. Dr Wright has traveled to Africa with Farrakhan.
It would NOT surprize me if the Obama camp planted the obama in african garb picture and then blamed the Clinton Camp. That picture sure took the heat off of the Farrakhan endorsement. To all of the Senators backing Obama, do you guys do any reading up on a person before endorsing them. It makes me wonder how you are keeping America SAFE. I will NOT forget anyone who is so UN Patriotic as to stand by Obama.

These video's take a minute to watch but tell us plenty about Obama.

1- Click here- Trinity United Church of Christ
2- Click here: You Tube - Obama Communist Flag In Office!
3- Click here: You Tube - Obama and the National Anthem
4- Click here: Media Matters - Hannity guest on Obama's church: Its "scary doctrine" is "something that you'd see in more like


IF Obama holds Cuba's Flag closer to his heart than ours than he is NOT fit to be our President, Senator, Police Officer of any other Govt. Job

Posted by: USAalways | February 27, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

corridorg4 - I apologize for all the ignorance and disrespect shown on this blog toward your Church and unfortunately I am sure you will probably get more. Blessings to you and yours. Continue to do what you are doing for your community, young people, fellow Christians and fellow man. I pledge to pray daily for your congregation, this country, and Senator Obama because it will probably get worse before it will get better.

Posted by: dotheresearch | February 27, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Loonybin - God sees and knows all and He always protects his children. Realize what you say, always comes back to you. Double.

If you are okay with that . . . it is on you.

Posted by: dotheresearch | February 27, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Let the IRS do their job as it won't be an issue and they are actually doing him a favor by validating to all the naysayers that there is no wrongdoing. So by all means . . . this is not a big deal.

Regarding Obama speaking at his home church . . . . I say AMEN. I hope he continues to speak out for the oppressed and continues to encourage us to extend a hand to help each other and the world.

Others - there is nothing wrong with being a Muslim. There are many Muslim Americans in our country who are hard working, have children, are productive citizens. Now you are relagating them to less than second class citizens and they are erroneously pushed to feel ashamed of their culture as if they are to be held responsible and punished for 9/11. It is wrong to discriminate against someone because of the color their skin or their religion. Do not offend all Muslims by comparing them to Farakahn. Be careful on how you depict all Islam and their religious beliefs. All these racist posts (which btw are available for all the world to read) speaks to other countries as if Americans are uncaring, arrogant, are divisive, believes that they alone can determine what others think, how they should worship, and how they should live.

You aren't helping to build the case that we can be trusted, can show empathy, or are willing to learn about other cultures. Think about our soldiers, where they are, and the sacrifice they make everyday. Besides, a reader could interpret some of these hateful posts as a reflection of America's concept of foreign policies and how we handle foreign relationships with others. At least think about it . . .

Posted by: dotheresearch | February 27, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

It is about time the IRS start investigating church(s) over its tax-exempt status.

Posted by: ginger1283 | February 27, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I hope is not too late to save the democratic party. Obama is all talk, he has no experience to run our country, and nobody has yet gone through his closet. i bet is got some good ones.!!!!

Posted by: jfiat | February 27, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like a witch hunt to me -go chase the guys on Wall Street.

If I remember my history right slavery was legal at a time when some church's and parishioners were opposing it from the pupit -I guess if we had IRS in those days they would have been going after the church's who were not political correct or opposed to slavery .

I remember that a lot of preaching against the the Vietnam War went on by politicians and ministers from the pulpit in the late 60's and no one mentioned their tax exempt status .

Posted by: garyjones1941 | February 27, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

benglett wrote:

"For all of you who seem to think that this action was taken by or in some way influenced by President Bush or the Republican party, you must be reminded that the IRS is not and never has been a part of the United States Government."

http://www.irs.gov/

I suppose that "gov" just came from nowhere then....

Posted by: robford2k5 | February 27, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I am disgusted by the people attacking my denomination. We were at the front lines of the abolitionist movement in the 1800's, and the front lines of the civil rights movement in the 1960's. We loudly and proudly denounce the Iraq War, the war on the poor and disadvantaged in the country and support the idea that justice should be equal. This does not make us a radical cult, or a bunch of freaks. It means we actually CARE about our fellow human beings. I wish I could say the same for the posters on the website.

Posted by: corridorg4 | February 27, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cesar2000 | February 27, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

You crazy Americans who will vote for Obama,Farrakon and Oprah will rue (regret) the day.

I would, and I am certain this thought has crossed lots of minds, like to know if these 3 mentioned above, are protected from tax payments thru their affiliation with this church - well here comes the dirt, just the tip of the iceburg, but it is going to be very informative if do their jobs and have enough shovels to dig for the down and dirty, which probably includes R.Novak the Prince of Darkness

Posted by: LOONYBIN2000 | February 27, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

hhkeller said:
"All churches should be shuttered since they spawn too many terrorists and corrupt politicians."

If we close all the churches, where will the child molesters find work? And what about all the gay haters and racists?Without their religious books to endorse their hatred, they just look evil and stupid!

And just where will we send all the people who can't deal with reality if you close all the churches? The land of Oz? Hmmm...maybe they all can live with Bush at his new 100,000 acre Paraguay Ranch, where Bush is KING!

Posted by: fixitj
_____________________________________

I wish there were a third major party where Christians could vote for someone like Obama without being associated with the many God hating fools who align themselves with the Democratic party. It is you fools who are doing all the hating. As Christians, we still love you, but do not expect us to take this type of disrespect laying down.

Posted by: WallyWutMD | February 27, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Ms Salmon, first you should retrack the statement Barack's "church". When referencing someone's church one is typically referencing the place where they worship. UCC is not where he worship. It is the denomination/organization that his church "Trinity" is under. I believe it is important to be accurate with info that is disseminated so that readers are informed correctly.

I read Farahkans address at their national meeting and he did not say he was endorsing Barack. Google it for yourself and read it so that you can get your info correct.

Posted by: gaines_pl | February 27, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I am a DEMOCRAT, but I will never VOTE for Barry HUSSIEN MADRASA Obama. (مدرسة )

I love the obama's pic trying out his sucide Bomber belt.

Vote HRC 08

Nadar08

Posted by: ermias.kifle | February 27, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

But Huckabee can preach at fundy churches all he wants, and they never say a word...

Posted by: thomasmc1957 | February 27, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I support the separation of church and state and therefore support the "tax exempt" laws that penalize church organizations when they are used for direct political purposes. Individual's religious feelings, attitudes, and morality absolutely have a place in public life and politics. And, people should be able to gather as a group (no matter what ties them together: religion, race, work, gender, age) and form political alliances. However, church organizations as a charitable "tax exempt" entity need to stay true to the charitable mission which gives them their tax status.

So, Obama needs a slap on the wrist. Mr. Huckabee needs many slaps on the wrists. He has been preaching "Presidential sermons" every week for months now.

Posted by: md__sl | February 27, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

For all of you who seem to think that this action was taken by or in some way influenced by President Bush or the Republican party, you must be reminded that the IRS is not and never has been a part of the United States Government.

No one in any official office has any control or influence upon their actions. They are an independent entity with the sole purpose, in this case, of governing the right of an organization to continue to collect tax free income from its constituents.

If you really care about the innocent being taken advantage of, then consider the millions of dollars they collect each year from their congregants, while promoting their own political agenda.

Posted by: benglett | February 27, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Obama camp says, "The Rev. Wright is a man who has brought hope to many. Obama hasn't distanced himself from Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. of his home congregation in Chicago, whose church's magazine gave an award to the notorious Louis Farrakhan. Obama has called for engaging Iran. Daniel Ayalon, Israel's former ambassador to the United States, told the New York Sun he is concerned Obama would want to negotiate with a "Hitler-like" regime. Some of Obama's policy advisors of various stripes, such as Samantha Power, Robert Malley, and Zbigniew Brzezinski, have come under attack for their views on Israel. World Jewish Congress President Ronald Lauder fears, it's only a matter of time before the president becomes anti-Israel Howard Friedman, the president of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, said the leading presidential candidate are all interested in continuing close ties with Israel. But yesterday's online frenzy about a picture of Obama in traditional Somali muslim garb brought these questions back to the fore Obama is a closet Muslim.Louis Farrakhan praised his follower Barack Obama. "We are witnessing the phenomenal rise of a man of color in a country that has persecuted us because of our color," the leader of the Nation of Islam, who many accuse of being anti-Semitic, said Monday at a rally in Chicago. This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better," Farrakhan said at the rallyObama's spiritual adviser, J Wright gave Trumpeter Award to a man it said "truly epitomized greatness. Louis Farrakhan. maybe for Wright and some others, Farrakhan "epitomized greatness." For Americans, Farrakhan epitomizes racism, particularly in the form of anti-Semitism. Over the years, he has compiled an awesome record of offensive statements, even denigrating the Holocaust by falsely attributing it to Jewish cooperation with Hitler "They helped him get the Third Reich on the road." His history is a rancid stew of lies. Any praise of Farrakhan heightens the prestige of the leader of the Nation of Islam. His anti-Semitism and particularly his false insistence that Jews have played an inordinate role in victimizing African Americans. Farrakhan's dream has vilified whites and singled out Jews to blame for crimes large and small, either committed by others as well or not at all. (A dominant role in the slave trade, for instance.) He has talked of Jewish conspiracies to set a media line for the whole nation. He has reviled Jews in a manner that brings Hitler to mind. And yet Wright heaped praise on Farrakhan. According to Trumpet, he applauded his "depth of analysis when it comes to the racial ills of this nation." He praised "his integrity and honesty." He called him "an unforgettable force, a catalyst for change and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose." These are the words of a man who prayed with Obama just before the Illinois senator announced his run for the presidency. Will he pray with him just before his inaugural?
The New York Times recently reported on Obama's penchant while serving in the Illinois legislature for merely voting "present" when faced with some tough issues. Farrakhan, in a strictly political sense, may be a tough issue for him. This time, though, "present" will not do.
A number of Jewish and pro-Israel voters have raised questions about Barack Obama during the 2008 campaign. In case you haven't followed this ongoing issue, here's a brief summary of the complaints:

Posted by: dyck21005 | February 27, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Even with out obamas speech.

It looks like a Racial activist group, or movement, more than a Church.

I guess they have to claim it as a church to make it look non-profit.

Posted by: seah | February 27, 2008 7:52 AM | Report abuse

hhkeller said:
"All churches should be shuttered since they spawn too many terrorists and corrupt politicians."

If we close all the churches, where will the child molesters find work? And what about all the gay haters and racists?Without their religious books to endorse their hatred, they just look evil and stupid!

And just where will we send all the people who can't deal with reality if you close all the churches? The land of Oz? Hmmm...maybe they all can live with Bush at his new 100,000 acre Paraguay Ranch, where Bush is KING!

Posted by: fixitj | February 27, 2008 5:49 AM | Report abuse

Any -ism is cancer in a democracy because as soon as you start believing you stop reasoning !!

Posted by: jwholtkamp | February 27, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Loulor, you are a gem for mentioning the greatest president this country ever voted into office; Dwight D. Eisenhower. His presidency has been studiously ignored by the neo-cons because of his enlightened governance. I have been recently researching some background on his presidency and was amazed by the civil rights initiatives that he constantly tried to have enacted but was rebuffed by the still-entrenched Dixiecrats who would have none of that. His handling of the economy which was largely restorative in regards to the working people of this country was very stand-up. One could go on and on comparing him to the serpents who describe themselves as republicans these days but the disparities are glaring. You are so right when you say he would run those gangsters out of town.

Posted by: shrdlu | February 27, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

IT seems that the Obama has caught up his church in the debate of the last 50 years. It is one that has engaged the secular humanists in his Democratic base against the fundamentalists of the Republican base. Can Church and State mix in politics?

When McCain told the FCC to resolve that issue of a license, he did not take one side or the other. What he did do was to tell the FCC to sent him a written memo explaining why they had not made a decision yea or nay.

The TV station was told by the FCC to get approval they could not "proselytize." They violated their First Amendment Right to both speech and religion. The group seeking the license refused. The deal they had been working with a company fell through.

Will Obama support his church with the IRS? Will he let them catch the brunt of this? Time will tell. In the end, I expect us to know what Obama Nation will look like.

Posted by: omarkhyam1951 | February 27, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Makes sense to me. Hillary announced she would do anything to win. Worked with Peter Paul, now let me sic 'em on Obama. The people that have voted for her know Bill lied under oath to the Supreme Court and I hope no one complains when she or McCain bring back the draft. Especially the news that fill the headlines with her drams to distract from her yes vote on Iran, her plan to garnish wages and her conflict of interest in Dubai.

Posted by: alyceclover | February 26, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

This is a non-story.

Isn't it any different from fundamentalist churches handing out voting guides? Catholics being told abortion is wrong? Jews supporting Israel?

It's funny, Obama must be really getting to some folks, I guess.

I read, or tried to read, the City Edition article. An amazing fantasy. Either you have moles spying for you within the inner circle of the GOP or there really is some residual LSD in your fair city's drinking water?

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | February 26, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Of course, you're kidding, aren't you? Let me see if I've got this straight: The IRS is investigating Obama's church over its tax-exempt status?

Then tell me this: How did IRS investigators clear their caseloads so damn quickly of those thousands of fundamentalist churches across this great land that threatened to expel the faithful if they didn't vote Republican in 2000 and 2004. Catholic leaders are still telling the faithful how to vote and for whom.

Someone tell those Republican hacks, and I do mean HACKS, running IRS and other key government agencies,to get a life. Their hypocrisy and political audacity is enough to make a dead man gag!!!

If Eisenhower were still alive, he'd drive the entire lot of these punk thug neocons and their groupies out of town before sunset.

Posted by: loulor | February 26, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

brigettepj wrote, "OMG! Might Rev. Wright, Oprah, Michele and Barack who all belong to this church be outed as Louis Farrakhan loving racists?"

The only racist I see here is you. How was the hammerhead skins Thor concert you went to yesterday?:) Quit your bigoted rants.

The IRS is known to investigate churches from time to time regarding their tax exempt-status. This helps keep the church and state separate, which the typical right-wing extremist opposes except when the IRS is going after a "liberal" church. Often churches pay a fine and that's the end of the matter. So this is not a major blow to anybody. No need for anyone to get depressed or celebrate.

Posted by: DrSubtle | February 26, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

The seperation of church and state is "silly" as many have stated.

Posted by: lylepink

Didn't you learned anything in history?

Posted by: Aeldas | February 26, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

What an outrage. And what a complete and utter abuse of power on the IRS' part. Where have they been for the past eight years when white fundamentalist churches host de facto campaign rallies for George W. Bush and Mike Huckabee, pastors essentially endorse them hither and thither, and threaten their flock with hellfire and damnation if they don't vote Republican? And where wer they when the Catholic Church meddled in the 2004 election, making all kinds of pronouncements and judgments on John Kerry? NO PROBLEM FOR THE IRS. AS LONG AS THEY ARE RIGHT WING WHITE CHURCHES, THEY CAN DO AS THEY PRETTY PLEASE.

I guess we'll get this kind of abuse of power until the country is mercifully rid of George W. Bush's Theocracy and the miserable shame his backwardsness has thrust upon this country. Sickening.

Posted by: B2O2 | February 26, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Seperation of church and state is "silly" you say,.....? Get a clue !

Posted by: elise871 | February 26, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Where have we seen that kind of politically inspired IRS investigation before?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/18/AR2005111802501.html

"The Internal Revenue Service is examining the tax-exempt status of a liberal church in Southern California because its former pastor delivered a fiery antiwar sermon that criticized President Bush by name on the Sunday before the 2004 presidential election."

IRS later admitted the complaint had no merit.

Posted by: factorfiction | February 26, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

This article is misleading. First, The United Church of Christ is not the church Senator Obama attends. It is his denomination. He attends Trinity United Church of Christ. He spoke at the Synod of the denomination.

Posted by: wmw9967 | February 26, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

sboyd18 wrote: "If the people you mention are such Farakhan-loving as you claim, why are they members of a church who has millions of white members, a church which is Christian."

Obama's church, Trinity United Church of Christ (www.tucc.org)is a member of the UCC association which is predominantly white. Obama belongs to a church with an all black congregation in a predominanly black neighborhood. His church is racially segregated like a lot of churches in this country.

I can guarantee you that the UCC association has not visited the church.

The fact is that Obama is friends with Louis Farrakhan and members of the Nation of Islam. Please stop calling them Muslims. They do not have the same beliefs as mainstream Muslims. I would go as far as to call them a cult. Check out their web site (www.noi.org)and form your own opinion.

Farrakhan has endorsed Obama before and he has endorsed him again. Obama could not have won his Illinois state senate seat without Farrakhan's support because it represents the Hyde Park neighborhood which is a Nation of Islam stronghold.

Obama's relationship is not illegal. It's his right to worship where he wants. It's also his right to be friends with some one who is a racist and black seperatist.

None of it is illegal - it's just not presidential. But it's all a moot point. Obama is going to be the Democratic nominee and the country is going to have to decide if they want him to be President.

As an independent African-American male voter, I just cannot support Obama's candidacy, but I wish him well.

- unfilteredopinion.com

Posted by: team-davis | February 26, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

This is as ridiculous a waste of taxpayer dollars and federal employees' time as the congressional steroid investigation farce!!

It would be just as ridiculous if it were McCain.

We don't have enough inspectors to keep filthy meat off American tables and lead-loaded toys out of our children's hands, but there is no crying foul about money spent on this?? C'mon!!!

Posted by: eclecticelder | February 26, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

All churches should be shuttered since they spawn too many terrorists and corrupt politicians.

Posted by: hhkeller | February 26, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

No church or other house of worship is willing to give up its tax exempt status. Most cannot survive without it.

But they're just being investigated at this point and it's very unlikely that the IRS will go that far.

Posted by: Beatrix1 | February 26, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

The seperation of church and state is "silly" as many have stated.

Posted by: lylepink | February 26, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Under Federal Criminal Law, a Presidents Political Advisor, KARL ROVE .. Should Not Be Running Federal Justice Department.. Firing State Federal Attorney Generals to Prosecute Democrats before 2004 and 2006 Elections... OD BE FIRED!

Ordering Missippi assistant Attorney General to FABRICATE and Pusue Democrat Govenor.

BUT Bush-Chenry-Rove Administration DID IT !

Posted by: rmcnicoll | February 26, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, one more thing. Woo, Hoo!!! If there is a conspiracy here (hee,hee) This sure steps on the Obama is a "muslim, terrorist, manchurian candidate, who is really going to kill christians in their beds" meme that that the Republicans were hoping to run on. Kinda falls apart when the government goes after Obama's Christian church.

Posted by: ellenhamm | February 26, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the IRS should investigate Pat Robinson and just about every Evangical Christian Church in this Country. How many churches preached from the pulpit about not voting for John Kerry in 2004. Being a good Christian is becoming something hard to defend.

Posted by: mummum | February 26, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

When I gave food to the poor they called me a saint. When I asked why the poor have no food they called me a communist. --Dom Helder Camara

There is a fine line between the political and the theological. Thank go the UCC is willing to walk it

Posted by: baseballguy | February 26, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

brigittepj: If the people you mention are such Farakhan-loving as you claim, why are they members of a church who has millions of white members, a church which is Christian. Why don't you poster who wear your hatreds on your sleeves at least try to make logical political arguments? Do you post just to get your pet prejudices out into the blogosphere? Why don't you stick to the merits of your candidate's positions and policies rather than just blast away with stupid comments? Let's have a little civility here. Oprah's not running for political office, just Obama, Clinton, Huckabee, and McCain. Whew! You should really be interested in their policies on education.

Posted by: sboyd18 | February 26, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I would hope that the UCC fights this vigoroustly. I don't think that the IRS has a leg to stand on here because Obama didn't speak in a UCC church, but at a convention of church members off church property.

I guess since the Bush Admin is still in charge of the Treasury Dept, the politics of personal distruction still holds, right? And this from the Administration who so co-opted the religious community in Ohio in close electoral districts giving pastors 'walking-around money' in 2004? David Kuo, where are you? Time to speak out, buddy.

Posted by: ellenhamm | February 26, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | February 26, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I think every Democrat should take a deep breath and read this:

Bamboozling the American electorate again

http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archive/Winter08/2008Election.html

The Karl Rove Trojan horse divide, conquer and destroy strategy has worked quite well.

Posted by: D3Haskins | February 26, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Atten: Ms. Salmon. Re: Your column of 2-26-08. If the Church is willing to give up
its tax exempt status, then it should be allowed to enter politics. Fair is Fair.
Cyrano

Posted by: Cyrano | February 26, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

It´s about time. How about all those other candidates (mostly Democrat) speaking from church pulpits during Sunday service? That also is a violation of IRS tax exempt status. Churches should stick to supporting or opposing issues, not endorsing particular candidates or political parties. Some conservative pastors also stray over the line, endorsing Republicans.

Posted by: rf49 | February 26, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

While we're talking about this one, it probably wouldn't hurt to discuss former Alabama Gov. Siegelman -- literally a political prisoner.

George Bush Republicans are determined to turn the U.S. into a third world, weak-kneed, pseudo-Democracy.

This instance too seems to be a case of heavy handed, selective enforcement of the law. Par for course for the loyal Bushies and Bush Republicanism.

Posted by: JPRS | February 26, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

OMG! Might Rev. Wright, Oprah, Michele and Barack who all belong to this church be outed as Louis Farrakhan loving racists? More at eleven.

Posted by: brigittepj | February 26, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

They are also investigating a Baptist minister who they claim went over the line with his politicking for Huckabee. I bring this up just in case the Obamaniacs start whining about being picked on.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23155264/

Posted by: hitpoints | February 26, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

zukermand and/or emmancipator:

What do your comments have to do with the topic of THIS thread "IRS Investigating Obama's Church"?!

Posted by: JakeD | February 26, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

You wrote:
Under federal law, churches are barred from becoming directly or indirectly involved in campaigns of political candidates.

Actually, churches (and in this case, denominations) can engage in political activities all they like. However, they are barred from doing so IF they want to maintain their tax-exempt status. What's at issue here is not the legality of churches engaging in politics. Rather, the issue is the legality of a tax-exempt organization dabbling in politics. If churches are willing to waive their tax-exempt status, they can get involved in politics all they like.

That being said, is feeding the poor a political act? Is proclaiming liberation from oppression a political act? Is prophesying that the mighty - the political class, the ruling class - will be toppled from their thrones a political act? If so, then most churches are engaged in politics every single week.

Posted by: chrisduckworth | February 26, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

people who support impeachment should become member of World Can't Wait Drive Out The Bush Regime, feature at the oscars might I add.

www.worldcantwait.org

Posted by: emmancipator | February 26, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

We will be years scrubbing the unprofessional GOP scum from the nooks and crannies of our government. It's important we get to work on this as soon as possible. That is why I support immediate impeachment of both Pres Bush and VP Cheney. It's the right thing to do.

Posted by: zukermand | February 26, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

WOO HOO!!! Will this come up during the debate?

Posted by: JakeD | February 26, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

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