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Obama Shrugs Off Clinton Plagiarism Charge


Supporters cheer for Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., during a rally Monday, Feb. 18, 2008, in Youngstown, Ohio.(AP.)

By Peter Slevin
NILES, Ohio -- Sen. Barack Obama made clear this afternoon that he is decidedly unimpressed with the flap over his decision to borrow a few memorable lines about speechmaking from Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick (D).

Talking with reporters at a titanium plant near Youngstown, Obama said Patrick is a friend and supporter who suggested the lines in answer to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's implication that he offers the nation little more than a pretty voice.

All things considered, Obama said, he should have given Patrick credit for the lines he delivered Saturday night at the Wisconsin Democratic Party's dinner in Milwaukee.

"Well, look, I was on the stump," Obama said when asked why he didn't attribute the lines. "He had suggested we use these lines. I thought they were good lines. I'm sure I should have. Didn't this time."

Obama said he does not think "this is too big of a deal."

Alluding to the fact that it was Clinton's campaign that first alerted the media to the shared language, Obama had something to say about Clinton's own campaign language, including her use of the signature Obama rallying cry, "Fired up! Ready to go!"

"When senator Clinton says, 'It's time to turn the page,' in one of her stump speeches or says she's fired up and ready to go, I don't think that suggests that she's not focused on the issues she's focused on."

Obama said it's not as though he can't turn a phrase without help.

"I've written two books. Wrote most of my speeches," Obama said at a planned press conference after touring RTI Titanium. "Deval and I do trade ideas all the time and he's occasionally used lines of mine and I...used some words of his. And, I would add, on occasion Sen. Clinton has used words of mine as well.

"And I don't think that's really the kind of stuff the workers here are concerned about."

Obama motored to a packed gymnasium at Youngstown State University, where he again defended the power of words -- although not with any of Patrick's lines.

"So, just be clear, speeches don't put food on the table," Obama said, referring to one of Clinton's recent criticisms. "But the only way that we're going to bring about change is if all of you get excited about change....So I make no apologies for being able to talk good. I make no apologies for getting people excited about their government, because I believe that government can work."

Speaking in Milwaukee on Saturday night, Obama drew a standing ovation for a speech that included a defense of speechmaking -- and his appeal to a sense of hope -- as worthy leadership tools. He said, "The most important thing we can do right now is to reengage the American people in the process of governance and get them excited again....

"Don't tell me words don't matter. 'I have a dream.' Just words? 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.' Just words? 'We have nothing to fear but fear itself' -- just words? Just speeches?''

During the 2006 campaign for governor, Patrick drew fire from his Republican opponent, who said his stylish speechmaking disguised a lack of substance. Among his responses was this one:

" 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.' Just words? Just words? 'We have nothing to fear but fear itself.' Just words? 'Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.' Just words? 'I have a dream' -- just words?"

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Obama's efforts to connect to the Republican Party, specifically Bush, and Dick Chaney, of the Halliburton Company, dates back to the Presidents Grandfather, Prescott Bush, and indeed Chaney was once an executive officer of Halliburton.

The American military pounds Iraq with Artillary, bombs, and the like, destroying large sections of cities, and infra-structures, then Halliburton comes in to rebuild. Halliburton and Halliburton associated companies have raked in ten's of billions.

Obama is just like the BIG HALIBURTAN. Haliburton has contracted to build detention centers in the U.S. similiar to the one in Quantanammo Bay, Cuba. Halliburton does nothing to earn the Two Dollars for each meal an American Serviceman in Iraq eats.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

Halliburton was scheduled to take control of the Dubai Ports in The United Arab Emiirate. The deal was canceled when Bush was unable to affect the transfer of the American Ports.

Now we see what some might suspect as similiar financial escapading from the Democrats.

Two years ago, Iraq's Ministry of Electricity gave a $50 million contract to a start-up security company - Companion- owned by now-indicted businessman (TONY REZKO) Tony Rezko and a onetime Chicago cop, Daniel T. Frawley, to train Iraqi power-plant guards in the United States. An Iraqi leadership change left the deal in limbo. Now the company, Companion Security, is working to revive its contract.
Involved along with Antoin "Tony" Rezco, long time friend and neighbor of Democratic Presidential hopeful Barack Obama, and former cop Daniel T. Frawley, is Aiham Alsammarae. Alsammarae was accused of financial corruption by Iraqi authorities and jailed in Iraq last year before escaping and returning here.

LIKE FATHER LIKE SON --
Recently, Obama's campaign staff have been vetted by the IRS to disclose his connection to the criminal money generating underworld. Besides, his connections to the REZCO MAFIA types, his up-coming tax fraud charges -- Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and disclose Obama's MUSLIM Farrakhan mob connection to Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ. Its minister, and Obama's spiritual adviser, is the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. In 1982, the church launched Trumpet Newsmagazine; Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive editor. Every year, the magazine makes awards in various categories. Last year, it gave the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award to a man it said "truly epitomized greatness." That man is Louis Farrakhan. Farrakhan and Chicago's Trinity United Church are trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. Obama should stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It's time to introduce this false, fake Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke "GLORK" Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek. He is MAD!!! --

OBAM YOU'RE NO JFK --

"GLORK" Obama looks like Alfred E. Newman: "Tales Calculated To Drive You." He is a MUSLIM "Glork" He's MAD!!! Alfred E. Neuman is the fictional mascot of Mad. The face had drifted through American pictography for decades before being claimed by Mad editor Harvey Kurtzman after he spotted it on the bulletin board in the office of Ballantine Books editor Bernard Shir-Cliff, later a contributor to various magazines created by Kurtzman.
Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It's time to introduce this false, fake "GLORK" Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek.

Michelle Obama should be ashamed.

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http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

Posted by: jreno8 | March 8, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama's Cure From Plagiarism

During this 2008 campaign, Hillary Clinton has accused Sen. Barack Obama of plagiarizing her speech and rhetoric. That discredits out-and-out the allegation circulating in the news sometime ago that Obama "wasn't black enough". If it is seen perfectly acceptable and legal that Martin Luther King Jr. plagiarized other people's work uncontested, it is also so for the junior Senator from Illinois.

Let's also not forget Jason Blair from The NY Times and recently Madonna G. Constantine of Teachers College, the professor who was the apparent target of a hate crime last October at Columbia University, when a noose was left on her office door. She has been sanctioned for plagiarizing her student's work.

Have we forgotten what month this is? It's not plagiarism folks, it's "Voice Merging" and part of black culture. We should "understand" and promote a "Martin Luther King, Jr. Award" for black plagiarists.


Here is a copy of Hillary's planned speech for the future Democratic Convention this summer that somehow Senator Obama's camp got a hold of, through undisclosed sources:


"As Democrats we will keep our word and do what we promise

only fools and dreamers believe that

we will not move one finger to fight immorality and crookedness

For something we are sure of, is that

honesty and transparency are fundamental

to fulfill our agenda

We will completely dissolve the belief that

Government will be run by corruption and special interest groups

as par for the course

We assure you without any doubt that

cut spending, and that accountability will be the main goal of our mandate

Still, there are naive people who think it is possible to

continue governing with the same cunning tricks and dishonesty of the old politics

When we come to power we will commit with all our might to

the end of the welfare state, illegal immigration and privilege to minorities

We will not allow in any way, shape or form

a bankrupt America that hopelessly surrendering her sovereignty becomes a third-world nation

We will fervently endeavor to advance our program until

all economic resources in America are exhausted

We will use all our power until

it is plain and evident that from now on

We are the 'New Change'"

The thing is that in order to avoid being found out, Mr. Obama thought of copying Hillary's message in reverse starting from the end. Read back starting from the bottom up to learn why the Senator changed his mind and unfortunately was deterred and deprived from being black enough.


Posted by: incitatus | February 24, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

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"Hey, Hillary, go F#$K Yourself!"

William Jefferson Clinton, 1989

Posted by: LeftwithNochoice | February 19, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: LeftwithNochoice | February 19, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: LeftwithNochoice | February 19, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Hussein Obama, you say "words don't put food on the table", then what was your reason for stealing others work and passing it as your own to fool the American nation in order to get their votes. THIEF.

Posted by: maheekappus | February 19, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Hussein Obama, once you say words don't put food on the table, then why bother stealing it from others to impress people and get their vote. THIEF.

Posted by: maheekappus | February 19, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Words do matter. I remember many years ago that when I went to coolege that if you did not give credit to the original writer that was called plagerism. You could get toosed form college. As far as I am concerned this is more proof that Obama is an empty suit. There are many "actors" around that can read or recite a speech. The ability to recite a speech clearly does not qualify you to be President. Yes words matter and so does substance. When Obama uses these words they are not backed uo with substance. Obama is an empty suit. Three years in the Senate does not qualify one to run the country. Yes I know Obama supporters he voted no to the Irag War. I caould have voted no to the Iraq war that woudln;t qualify myself to be president eithr. HRC is the MOST qualified to take charge as Commander and Cheif day one and get the US out of there in the most efficent and least disruptive way. Obama is the most qualified to recite someone elses speech.

Posted by: politicalobserver1 | February 19, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

It's not just about Plagiarism. It's more about what the act represents.

Because Obama advertises himself as a a candidate of change you can believe in -- it is very disappointing that his ways are no different from any pretentious politician. Because he advertises himself as a man with good judgment -- it is a shock that he had a lapse of judgment on a very basic guideline about speech writing/giving. Never mind the legality or personal permission by a friend -- What is disgusting is Obama's posturing of authenticity and passing the borrowed words to look like his own.

The issue here is what Obama said and failed to do. Any defense outside of this issue are mere hateful rhetorics that mirror another contradiction -- Obama's inability to inspire rational unity. If his call for unity is anchored on hate for another. America is pathetically hopeless.

Much of Obama's candidacy rests on mere words. And yet, he cannot hold his own with mere words. No wonder he cannot hold his own for substance. There is an old saying: You cannot give what you do not have. Well, Obama can not give substance because he does not have it. Now we find out he cannot give words without snatching from someone.

If you have to steal from someone else's words to have the edge, you would steal from some else's whatever and would be capable of stealing in bigger ways to have the edge.

Obama is just another politician in a new wrapping. He has no substance that we can believe in. And the words he utters cannot be trusted. His act of snatching words and passing a speech to look like his own, makes him guilty of the same accusations he makes against his opponents -- lacking in credibility and full of hypocrisy.

Obama cannot hold his own in substance and even in words. Perhaps, he is the image of what America is doomed to be - a nation that would not be able to hold its own anymore in the world stage.

Posted by: readingbetweenlines | February 19, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

"There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be fixed by what is right about America," Mrs Clinton, in a speech to a Hispanic group this week.

"There is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right with America,", Bill Clinton - 20 January 1993.

Posted by: JayKay2 | February 19, 2008 5:10 AM | Report abuse

The Clintons figured that they had the Presidency all wrapped up a long time ago. So , now that a real candidate has come forward to tell us what his ideas and our efforts can do to make things better for all instead of the selected few;they will find everything negative to 'make a mountain out of a mold' in order to sway our attention. People, "Open your eyes". I sincerely hope that the people in Wisconsin,Hawaii,Ohio and Texas vote with the vision of hope and make the change sooner rather than later.

Posted by: ds_cenpak | February 18, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

So let me get this straight. It's Hillary's fault that Barack lifted entire paragraph(s?) from someone else?

If only she hadn't used a ghost writer, Barack would never lifted parts of Patrick's speech. Heheh.

So typical of venomous Hillary haters. Obama logic. Heheh.

Posted by: PhilTR | February 18, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Wow,
Hillary seems to think that we have forgotten the controversy over her book "It takes a Village". I will tell you that I got the following passage from Wakipedia so that I am not accused of Plagiarism.

Clinton has been criticized for not giving credit to a ghostwriter in connection with It Takes a Village. The majority of the book was reportedly written by ghostwriter Barbara Feinman.[8] When the book was first announced in April 1995, The New York Times reported publisher Simon & Schuster as saying "The book will actually be written by Barbara Feinman, a journalism professor at Georgetown University in Washington. Ms. Feinman will conduct a series of interviews with Mrs. Clinton, who will help edit the resulting text."[9]

Feinman spent seven months on the project and was paid $120,000 for her work.[10] Feinman, however, was not mentioned anywhere in the book. Clinton's acknowledgment section began: "It takes a village to bring a book into the world, as everyone who has written one knows. Many people have helped me to complete this one, sometimes without even knowing it. They are so numerous that I will not even attempt to acknowledge them individually, for fear that I might leave one out."[11] During her promotional tour for the book, Clinton said, "I actually wrote the book ... I had to write my own book because I want to stand by every word."[2] Clinton stated that Feinman assisted in interviews and did some editorial drafting of "connecting paragraphs", while Clinton herself wrote the final manuscript in longhand.[2]

This led Feinman to complain at the time to Capitol Style magazine over the lack of acknowledgement.[12] In 2001, The Wall Street Journal reported that "New York literary circles are buzzing with vitriol over Sen. Clinton's refusal, so far, to share credit with any writer who helps on her book."[13] Later, in a 2002 article for The Writer's Chronicle,[14] Barbara Feinman Todd (now using her married name) related that the project with Clinton had gone smoothly, producing drafts in a round-robin style. Feinman agrees that Clinton was involved with the project, but also states that, "Like any first lady, Mrs. Clinton had an extremely hectic schedule and writing a book without assistance would have been logistically impossible." Feinman reiterates that her only objection to the whole process was the lack of any acknowledgement. A 2005 Georgetown University web page bio for Barbara Feinman Todd states that It Takes a Village was one of "several high-profile books" that she has "assisted, as editor, writer and researcher."

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones...oops who said that.

Posted by: mxf9999 | February 18, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

samuel19406 said: " The fact is he passed off someone's work as his own. Its plagiarism, its cheating. "

If he did it once, he probably did it more than once. He too cavalier about it. Too glib. Too smug.

Posted by: PhilTR | February 18, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

The way Obama rants on and on about Hillary he is starting to sound like that Penelope character on Saturday Night Live, I do everything better, I did that before you did, I already said that, I invented that before you did. What's next? is Obama going to tell Al Gore he invented the Internet first and so he already did that too and it was better?

Hillary All the Way

Posted by: Hillary08 | February 18, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

It doesnt matter. The fact is he passed off someone's work as his own. Its plagiarism, its cheating.

Try submitting your best friend's essay in school... its still cheating even if your friend gives you permission. Thta's why your mommy cant write your essays for you.

You cant pass off someone's work as your own. period.

CHEATERS CHEATERS CHEATERS CHEATERS CHEATERS CHEATERS

Posted by: samuel19406 | February 18, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

SEC Opens Investigation of Company Headed by Key Supporter of Clintons

By Matthew Mosk
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, November 22, 2007; Page A03

The Securities and Exchange Commission has launched an investigation into InfoUSA, a Nebraska company that used corporate funds to fly Hillary Rodham Clinton around the country, and one of only two companies to put Bill Clinton on its payroll after he left the White House.

The firm, a major provider of database-processing services, disclosed little about the nature of the probe in a filing to shareholders released yesterday.

The two-sentence filing said only that InfoUSA received a letter last week "informing the Company that the SEC is conducting an informal investigation . . . and is requesting the voluntary production of documents relating to related party transactions, expense reimbursement, other corporate expenditures and certain trading in the Company's securities."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/21/AR2007112102280.html

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

"Asked if the campaign was considering returning any of that additional money, campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson said the campaign was not. "We didn't keep track of the contributions in the same way so we do not know which contributions to credit to Mr. Hsu," Wolfson said."

How convenient...

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I love this one:

Ties to Hsu Severed, Some Funds May Remain


Among the more revealing tidbits buried within the the campaign finance reports of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is a list that offers the fullest look to date into the political and financial world of Norman Hsu.

Clinton's report includes the names of 249 people whose contributions were credited in whole or in part to the fundraising efforts of Hsu, a "Hill-Raiser" who was believed to have brought more than $800,000 in donations into the Clinton campaign treasury.

Clinton severed her ties to Hsu after revelations that he was wanted on a 15-year-old warrant stemming from a fraud case. His case gained more notoriety as allegations surfaced that, while he was raising money for Clinton, he was engaged in an elaborate Ponzi scheme that defrauded investors out of more than $60 million.

Many of the Clinton donors whose contributions were refunded last month were alleged to have been strong-armed by Hsu, or reimbursed by Hsu for the checks they wrote, according to a criminal complaint filed by the Justice Department. A federal fraud case that the U.S. attorney for New York's Southern District unsealed against Hsu says that he "pressured victims" into making the contributions "in an effort to raise his public profile and thereby convince more victims to invest in his fraudulent investment scheme."

A closer look at the political activity of those Hsu donors suggests their contributions to Clinton's presidential campaign did not mark their first donations to the senator from New York. Hsu's donors gave $256,945 to Clinton's senate campaign since 2005, and $40,000 to her political action committee, "Hill Pac" during that period.

Some of that money may have eventually found its way into Clinton's presidential accounts, because she transfered about $10 million from her senate fund into her presidential coffers.

Asked if the campaign was considering returning any of that additional money, campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson said the campaign was not. "We didn't keep track of the contributions in the same way so we do not know which contributions to credit to Mr. Hsu," Wolfson said.

--Matthew Mosk

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

WARNING!!!!

Paid HillShill >>>>> bhatttt

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

bhatttt said: "I wish they would do their job. But then again they are having so much fun in bed with Obama. Our country does need to change, but unfortunately I think the most important change needs to be in the media."

Hillary hate and Barack worship sells tickets (ad space) to the hoped for knife fight between Barack and McCain.

Hillary is so yesterday. Barack is much more appealing to our lascivious interests.

Posted by: PhilTR | February 18, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary's campaign continues to use these tactics to discredit her opponent and win the Democratic nomination, she will get crushed in the general election because the "Obama Democrats" will not show up to vote for her in November. I am an Independent who was leaning towards Obama but was willing to vote for Hillary in November if she won the Democratic nomination. But now, I have developed a gut reaction against the "Clinton tactics" and her divisiveness, and I find it very hard to support her. I'm sure I'm not the only "Obama Independent" who feels this way. What the Clinton campaign has done today was just awful and will not help them in the long run.

Posted by: kflee | February 18, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Mr Wolfson's comments are insulting - when he says that Obama is running on the strength of his rhetoric and promises. Both Obama and Clinton have plans and policies and because neither have won the Presidency - the policies for both are now only promises. Obama is not running on rhetoric - he might be able to give a good speech, but it is not the only strength he has - and so it is insulting to spin him as rhetoric and promises. Clinton is also running on the strength of her rhetoric, promises and changing her promises week to week to fit the audience. Only problem is - she's not as good at it.

Posted by: JayKay2 | February 18, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I think the most important question now is, what else has he "borrowed". Since the speeches are what is driving his candidacy, this is big blow. I think most people, myself included, were proud that he was so original and authentic. This to many of us is a betrayal. I am very interested on finding out if more ideas were taken without giving credit. Most importantly he needs to be an honest person from here on. His biggest selling point was "change we can believe in" . I am really disappointed to say that we cannot believe in someone who has been feeding us someone elses lines. The elephant in the room here is that total honesty was his selling point. This is certainly not honest. I hope that he comes out and tells us about what else he has "borrowed" before we find out somewhere else. If we find out that he has ripped off more stuff, we will be sure that our media is a bunch of garbage. They spend most of their time fantasizing about Britney Spears and Tom Cruise. I wish they would do their job. But then again they are having so much fun in bed with Obama. Our country does need to change, but unfortunately I think the most important change needs to be in the media.

Posted by: bhatttt | February 18, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

According to Barack, words matter ... that is ... except when they're borrowed from someone else.

Of corse the hate-mongering Barack supporters magically rationalize this by directing their venom at Hillary blaming her for Barack's screw-up. So typical.

These more venomous Barack supporters sound eeriely like the the right wing racist hate machine, only without the patently racist language.

What these poor rubes fail to realize it that the right wing hate machine is proud to be racist. For them it's a badge of honor.

Should be interesting if Barack gets the nod. Very interesting.

Posted by: PhilTR | February 18, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Destroy INSPIRATION & HOPE.... Create DENIGRATION & DESPAIR... Hillary '08

Is that a winning theme, or what??

Posted by: jameswhanger | February 18, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

camasca-

Please read "The Audacity of Hope". His words. His vision. His thoughts.

And yes, it got me riled up enough to work on his campaign. Can't say the same about anything Hillary has written or done. Frankly, I'd be ashamed to be associated with that group after seeing the depths to which they will stoop. Dirty politics. No vision. Recycled ideas.

Haven't we had enough of that?

Posted by: kuhar352 | February 18, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe that he said 'no big deal'. What's kind of role model does he project to the college students who adore him? that plagiarism is ok? He also does not understand plagiarism by claiming that he owns the phrase 'yes, I can' and accuse Clinton of borrowing that phrase. OMG, this is the candidate who wants to be our president?

Posted by: cybervote | February 18, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Jsindic - a careful reading reveals she said "in my ADULT lifetime," and that she was "REALLY proud."

Posted by: thrapp | February 18, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

DON_153

I think the bigger questions are whether the words Obama is using are his.

When we get all riled up, is that he who thought the words and said them? Or is he reading a teleprompter?

If Obama people have no problem with the authenticity of his words, then I guess his next speech he should just recite the Gettysberg Address.

Posted by: camasca | February 18, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Well, it's pretty clear now: When the going gets tough, Bill/Hillary get negative. They remind me more, with each new mudsling, of the Current Occupant and his tactics. For the love of God, do we want or need more of that?
Hillary talks of "being tough" and "fighting." She just doesn't get it. Americans are sick of fighting! Sick of "being tough." And we're sure sick of down and dirty politics!
This is not to say we do not need to be STRONG, and anybody who's really listening can see that Obama believes in that. They can also see that he believes strength comes from UNITY.
His cabinet will not be filled with sycophantic yes-men skilled in infighting (as we've had for 8 years now) and he has said as much. Rather he will surround himself with people of vision, people of positive mind willing to reach out across the aisles, to do whatever it takes to really begin tackling the enormous problems facing this country.
Obama's focus will never be on the specifics of solutions, but rather on the PROCESS of working out those solutions.
Folks, we are at a crossroads. We need, perhaps more than ever in our history, a statesman - a leader with integrity, wisdom and sound judgment who will ALWAYS put the nation's interests ahead of his own or his party's - a leader committed not just to beginning to clean up the mess we're in but to ENDING THE MINDSETS THAT GOT US INTO IT.
Barack Obama is one of those rare leaders who comes along only once in several generations. People, we have the historic chance to put aside the incredible cynicism eight years of Bush, the Republicans, and the big money interests have foisted upon us, and for once, to do the right thing. For our kids and grandkid's sake, for our country's sake, let's elect this extraordinary man.

Posted by: thrapp | February 18, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Maybe with such cheap shots she scores with the less educated demographic which is rumored to have a soft spot for her.

Posted by: frankadiga | February 18, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

What a fraud!

All he got are speeches and now we know they are not even original.

Here are some lovely words from Michelle Obomba:

"What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback. And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country."

She is 44 years old. And Today for the first time in her life she is proud of her country????

Posted by: jsindc | February 18, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Yeah ocean73_2000, his friend actually suggested he use the lines. So what's wrong with that? This is getting ridiculous. Hillary is toast if this is the most serious charge she can level at Obama. Bring on McCain.

Posted by: mjo1 | February 18, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

This is the most ridiculous act of desperation from the Clinton campaign yet. It is a non-issue and will go no where. I suspect she loses more votes than she gains from this. The Clinton's must think that we are all too stupid to see this for what it really is...desperation.

Posted by: dondlinger | February 18, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Clinton has nothing better to do with her time than be petty - I guess this is to make other people stop voting for Obama and vote for her....she must still think the voters are stupid! And, since when do we elect petty little girls to the office of President of OUR United States???

Posted by: ndolan622 | February 18, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

O.K. Folks....one more time. By definition,
Plagiarism is the UNAUTHORIZED USE.....All the rest of this is crap!
Let's get to the issues, please!
Peace....

Posted by: DON_153 | February 18, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

and there is this "selective (Obama) lapses of memory"...taken from the New Statesman web site.

Even dedicated political operators such as the Clintons, for example, did not publish self-promoting memoirs at the age of 33 - but that is exactly what Obama did, revealing his use of cocaine ("a little blow") before anybody else could beat him to it, for example. In those memoirs, Dreams from My Father, he burnished a personal and political résumé that, in places, seemed almost unbelievable - so I was not surprised to read in his introduction to the reissued edition of "selective lapses of memory" and "the temptation to colour events in ways favourable to the writer".

I'll provide two brief examples of how Obama did just that. He wrote movingly of a turning point in his life when, as a nine-year-old, he read in Life magazine of a "black man who had tried to peel off his skin". But the Chicago Tribune - it and the Chicago Sun-Times being honourable exceptions to the media quiescence I have described - reported that "no such Life issue exists", and an exhaustive search of similar magazines failed to find any article remotely similar to the one Obama had described.

http://www.newstatesman.com/200801100000

whata hoot, eh!?

Posted by: whatahoot | February 18, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Well, I've heard that some unscrupulous politicians stoop so low as to use GHOST writers -- people who pen their wors and then the politicians just pass those words off as their own, without giving the GHOST writers so much as credit. This thing about using the lines of a friend, even with his permission, is almost as bad. In any case, let's hope that Hillary and Obama can do enough damge to each other to allow McCanin to sqeak by with a win.

Posted by: johnnormansp | February 18, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I

And the American Democrats forgot what it was all about. And they gifted the world with a few more years of a GWB incarnate in the form of a woman. And she filled the world with hate and spitefulness. And she lied even more and more. Intensifying conflict and entrenching Guantanamo. And the scandals of one William Jeferson Clinton came thick and faster than Monicah Lewinsky.

Posted by: frankadiga | February 18, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

That's it, if Clinton wins I'm moving to Europe.

Hold on a sec, I'm already in Europe. Probably got something to do with being British.

Oh well, at least I'm making more sense than half the people on this thread. Night.

Posted by: bloodynewspapers | February 18, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Kalli.ming-

I think if you compare, over the course of the campaign, the two candidate's speeches, you'll find that Obama's tone and content remain consistent. Hillary, on the other hand, over the past 2-3 weeks, has been steadily using Obama's material (see my earlier posting regarding the Jefferson-Jaskson dinner).

I find it laughable that a woman who would come out onto that stage in Richmond and give a speech using lines directly lifted from earlier Obama speeches now has the gall to pull this.

Clinton politics. Figures.

Posted by: kuhar352 | February 18, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

The "political pimps" from MSNBC ( Chris Matthews, Keith Dobberman) just reported that there is no issue about Obama's plagiarism. They are coming hard on Hillary using a line from Bill Clinton who took it from the scriptures.

Also, hello , where is the main stream media on Michelle Obama's pride in her country...

Posted by: vs_sv | February 18, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow. obama plagiarized the oh so original idea of quoting famous speeches to convey the point that words have the ability to inspire...so who did he plagiarize? Patrick? or FDR, JFK and MLK?

Posted by: ussamsarmy | February 18, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Wow. obama plagiarized the oh so original idea of quoting famous speeches to convey the point that words have the ability to inspire...so who did he plagiarize? Patrick? or FDR, JFK and MLK?

Posted by: ussamsarmy | February 18, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Obama is a plagarist and his supporters say it doesn't matter. I wonder since when college students and other educated people believe that plagarism does not matter. It matters plenty! First he plagarized the word "Yes we can" and "Si se puede" from Dolores Huerta (a 1973 slogan), the community organizer of United Farm Workers Union (everyone thinks that this phrase is his creative thought process), then he borrowed Clinton's Health care policy and put in the last minute alternation (that is the reason he could not defenc 15 million people still uninsured) and he wants to be Reagan. Remember GWB stole "No children left Behind". People with limited ideas should not try to become a leader of a very important country. Shame on Obama, a Harvard and Columbia grad, and a professor nonetheless. Shame on the people who dismiss it as non-issue.

Posted by: kalliming | February 18, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

I was always under the impression that plagiarism refers to written work and without consent/reference. Senator Obama received permission to use a few lines from a political ally. Consent and acknowledgement can be argued in a court of law - the accusation of plagiarism will be a loser in court. So, when all our politicians who make use of anonymous speech writers and then fail to give credit to the writer, is that plagiarism? Using ideas from others (also called advisers) are part of political life worldwide.

FYI: Senator McCain used Senator Obama's "fired up, ready to go" slogan in one of his victory speeches - I believe it was during his latest victory. You can ask Fox News for a copy of his speech. I did not hear any accusations of plagiarism.

Please see an explanation of plagiarism below.
Excerpt from www.dictionary.com from the encyclopedia section

"Plagiarism (from the Latin "plagiarius," meaning "a plunderer" or, an older term, "plagium," meaning "kidnapping," or possibly "plagiare," which is "to wound") is the practice of claiming or implying original authorship of (or incorporating material from) someone else's written or creative work, in whole or in part, into one's own without adequate acknowledgement. Unlike cases of forgery, in which the authenticity of the writing, document, or some other kind of object itself is in question, plagiarism is concerned with the issue of false attribution. Plagiarism can also occur unconsciously; in some cultures certain forms of plagiarism are accepted because the concept can be interpreted differently.

Within academia, plagiarism by students, professors, or researchers is considered academic dishonesty or academic fraud and offenders are subject to academic censure.

Public figures commonly use anonymous speech writers. If a speech uses copied material, however, it is the public figure who will be embarrassed. Delaware Senator Joe Biden was forced out of the 1988 US Presidential race (but remained in the US Senate) when it was discovered that parts of his campaign speeches were plagiarized from speeches by British Labour party leader Neil Kinnock and Robert Kennedy."

Go Obama - Do not be distracted but correct the record - which he did!

Posted by: felicitymason | February 18, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

HRC and "Team Clinton" are absolutely ridiculous and stooping to new lows with this accusation.

I had the chance to hear both candidates speak on February 9th at the Jefferson-Jackson dinner in Richmond. Clinton was the first speaker, and I was shocked at how "Obama" her speech sounded and how many lines she had "lifted" from his previous speeches.

Perhaps someone should review her speeches...I think we'd find out that the real plagarizer here is the accuser.

Thanks for taking what was a decent race to a disgusting level. At least we still have one candidate with dignity left. Obama, all the way.

Posted by: kuhar352 | February 18, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Wow, there sure are a lot of really dumb people here getting upset about this supposed "plagiarism."

Posted by: RyanMcC1 | February 18, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Check article below for more information on what Obama's first year of Presidency might look like!!!

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/12/31/after_soaring_entry_a_mixed_first_year_for_patrick/?page=3

What we the people need to ensure is that although excited about the possibilities we are always on guard.

Another one from Michelle Obama...
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/02/18/michelle-obama-hasnt-been-proud-of-america-in-at-least-26-years/

Posted by: ram_prabhala | February 18, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Plagiarism--using someone's original writing or ideas without giving credit to that person--is a form of theft. Instead of making excuses for what he did, Senator Obama should treat his plagiarism seriously and acknowledge that it was wrong. Even if Governor Patrick did suggest that Mr. Obama use a few lines from a speech that the governor delivered in 2006, the senator still should have given him credit for those words, because by not giving credit Obama gave the impression that the words and ideas were his own (or his speechwriter's) creation. By not attributing those lines, Obama set an especially bad example for the thousands of young people who have flocked to his campaign. Students need to understand that it is never acceptable to borrow another person's work without giving credit where credit is due.

Posted by: pesta | February 18, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I would love some of whatever the Clinton campaign is smoking if they think this is going to stick. A 30-second bit that Obama borrowed from a close friend, which mostly consists of quoting great phrases in history to make a point. He's credited Patrick over and over on the campaign trail, and simply forgot to do so this one time.

Totally different ballgame from Biden, who lifted passages wholesale from Kinnock and presented them as if they had happened in his life.

So yeah, Obama looks a little silly here, but looking through the various MSM sites you're crazy if you think this is more than a footnote.

Posted by: Nissl | February 18, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

When McCain sang "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb-bomb Iran" to the tune of "Barbara Ann" wasn't he plagerizing the Beach Boys? Shouldn't he have to pay some sort of copyright to them? But probably the uber armaments industrial families, like the Bushs and Cheneys, will reimburse him, since really these attitudes are SO GOOD for their inventory turnover.

Posted by: johnnormansp | February 18, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Lots of people say fired up and ready to go. Big Deal.

Obama lifted whole paragraphs from Deval and passed them off as his own. And the slogan "Yes We Can" comes from Cesar Chavez and the United Farmworkers who coined it in 1972 and own the copyright.

Moreover the Obama line "you've been hoodwinked, you've been bambboozled, you've been given the okey doke" comes from Spike Lee's move Malcolm X.

Plus he has taken Hillary's idea for Green Collar jobs. Pretty soon he will take her idea for universal healthcare.

Can't he come wup with anything original?

Posted by: sunnyday1 | February 18, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

About the comment made here:

"to quote Kurt Cobain, there is nothing anyone can say that hasn't been said before."

He actually PLAGERIZED that from the Beatles in the song "All You Need Is Love" -- I quote:

"There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can say but... "

Posted by: johnnormansp | February 18, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

forevervocal,

I am going to skip right over everything you said and ask the question that came to mind when I read your little rant:

What are you on?

Posted by: orik9 | February 18, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama really just needs more inventive speechwriters. As reported (elsewhere) earlier in the campaign --

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/01/obama_borrows_f.html

Posted by: littlestormcloud | February 18, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Wisconsin,
Please think before you vote for Obama. He says that Rhetoric does matter...
He says he is for the poor and middle class but he voted for Cheney's oil bill. He says he is for stopping lobbyist and Corporate greed, but his campaign donations list looks like the Whos who of lobbyist and Corporate America. Ask him for a list! He says he is for stopping and helping Americans with keeping their homes and the forecloure crisis, but he accepted huge sums of money from Citibank; one of the largest lenders in the mortgage crisis. He says his mother was more concerned with her healthcare cost during her terrible battle with cancer, but his health care plan leaves her and those like her out. He accepys endorsements from unions but is on record in Chicago as ANTIunion. He says he has a plan for the economy and used Hillary Clinton's plan word for word. He says he is for ALL Americans, but attends a church that lists a ten point system and one of these points is empowering black americans and people from Africa. All?He accepts hundreds of thousands of dollars as well as assistance to get an expensive home at a discount from a contributor; now that the contributor is under indictment he says he barely knew him. He says he is a new and different kind of politician, and then accepts endorsements from "old guard" democrats. He says Florida should not count because he did not campaign there, but it is on record that he advertised during and up to the primary as well as had his office call Florida voters to give him campaign contributions. He says that the Super Delegates should be fair but has given them huge sums of money. He says he has experience as a U S Senator, but votes "present" over 100 times and hits the "wrong button" when he does shows up to do the job he was elected to do. But he was not there often, limiting his experience as a first time Senator; as his only true goal is to be named President. Now he says he coined "fired up" and "change" (ha!) to combat flat out plagerizing an actual economic plan by Hilllary Clinton that actually required knowledge of the American economy. And the list goes on and on and on. He has been protected from the media. But slowly we will hear the truth. He counts on the youth vote, as he assumes they will not question his rhetoric, but I hope they surprise him and do. As for the rest of us...the more you know the more you know NOT to vote for this man.

Posted by: Texan2007 | February 18, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

It's not just about Plagiarism. It's more about what the act represents.

Much of Obama's candidacy rests on mere words - full of hype and inspiration - yes, but still just words. And yet, he cannot hold his own with mere words. No wonder he cannot hold his own for substance.

There is an old saying: You cannot give what you do not have. Well, Obama can not give substance because he does not have it. Now we find out he cannot give words without snatching from someone.

If you have to steal from someone else's words to have the edge, you would steal from some else's whatever and would be capable of stealing in bigger ways to have the edge.

Obama is just another politician in a new wrapping. He has no substance that we can believe in. And the words he utters cannot be trusted. His act of snatching words and passing a speech to look like his own, makes him guilty of the same accusations he makes against his opponents -- lacking in credibility, originality, and hypocrisy.

Obama cannot hold his own in substance and even in words. Perhaps, he is the image of what America is doomed to be - a nation that would not be able to hold its own anymore in the world stage.

Posted by: readingbetweenlines | February 18, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should worry more about whether she can say anything anyone ever WANTS
to plagiarize.

Hillary is not ready for the Presidency, perhaps she could be Secretary of Partial Birth Abortion.
LOL..what the devil does the first sentence mean? It is BO that in no way shape or form should be pres. He has nothing what so ever to offer. All he knew how to say was , YES WE CAN or CHANGE. Not one person can say what it is they think he will do as pres..as he has not once ever said what he would do. He is a total inexperianced waste. He wants to get rid of minumum sentences which will totally destroy us. He wants to give ILLEGALS a drivers license. He wants to spend a billions of dollars to build low income housing, more welfare, more food stamps, more rent subsidy and more medicaid. He will bankrupt us within one year..and he wants to give gays the right to marry and more money for aids and tons of money to send to Africa...so please tell which of these do you agree with..and it is he that approves partial birth abortions and wants gangstas to have free access to guns. What a great PRESIDENT! Are you ppl that are supporting him all demented?

Posted by: forevervocal | February 18, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

It's not that we worship him, it's that we believe he can do something for us.

Is it so bad to finally have a politician that gives us hope? What is it about seeing people filled with passion over a political cause that makes so many suspicious?

Posted by: orik9 | February 18, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Have you ever heard of winning the battle and losing the war? Hillary's camp is making much ado about something that just stirs the waters in favor of Republicans. Let her win if she can, but when Democrats tear each other down, it is not good for the party, or good for the country, unless you think four eight more years of Republican rule is a good thing. [Just for the record, "Winning the battle and losing the war" and likewise "Tear each other down" are not original turns of phrase by the present writer -- I just thought I should be honest and let you know that. Oh an, "Much ado about something" is almost a dead ringer for one of Shakespeare's plays. Not that it matters, because McCain will likely be elected by about the 1/2% that this little miserly snipe by Hillary's camp will cause to Obama's cause.]

Posted by: johnnormansp | February 18, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

And who is your Messiah bhatttt?

Posted by: orik9 | February 18, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Who cares. It's not like it was a law review article. It was a stump speech. At this point in history, to quote Kurt Cobain, there is nothing anyone can say that hasn't been said before.

Posted by: AngryLiberal | February 18, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't really like any politicians but started to like Obama. When Obama said that he borrowed Governor Deval Patrick's words and forgot to mention they were Patrick's, I think that was totally dishonest. We all know it. He should admit the mistake. The fact that he had to lie to cover up a significant error showed a serious character flaw.

Michelle Obama today said "this was the first time she was really proud of the United States." What the heck does she mean by this? I have always been proud of my country. Is this the type of leadership we want in the White House? At the least, be a proud American. Is that too much to ask for? This is an unfortunate comment. The media has largely blacked this out because they are having a love affair with Obama.

I see a lot of Obama cult members posting here. How can someone debate any of you about your Messiah. You are the faithful. I feel sorry for you because your Messiah will one day disappoint you.

Posted by: bhatttt | February 18, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/02/michelle_obama_first_time_shes.html

Well, looks like Michele Obama has a foot in the mouth disease. She said today that" she is proud of her country for the FIRST time" . She has a lot of explaining now !!!!

Posted by: vs_sv | February 18, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

James Whanger,

But the Clintons only pointed to the truth.

Obama even admitted it!

Obama used Duval's words in defense that words matter!

I think they made an excellent point.

This story doesn't call Obama any names, just points out a fact. So I don't know what people are talking about with character assassination. This is not swiftboating.

Obama admitted to it.

Posted by: camasca | February 18, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

How is it that every single day people (including the almighty Hilldog) are allowed to qoute others and get away with it. Why are we allowed to say the Pledge, why are we allowed to say prayers, why are we allowed to sing along to songs we all know, and noone cares?

Why is all that acceptable, but Obama quoting SOMEONE WHO SUPPORTS HIM AND TOLD HIM TO USE THE LINES, is not? Can anyone explain this blatant attack on common sense?

Posted by: orik9 | February 18, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

What we have here is a failure to communicate...

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Talk about plagerism, you know that "I have a Dream" speech by Martin Luther King? He just lifted it right out of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, just by changing one word, when Sherlock Holmes says, "I have a hunch..."

Posted by: johnnormansp | February 18, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Well, looks like Michele Obama has a foot in the mouth disease. She said today that" she is proud of her country for the FIRST time" . She has a lot of explaining now !!!! Here is the link

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video_log/2008/02/michelle_obama_first_time_shes.html

Posted by: vs_sv | February 18, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

How is it that every single day people (including the almighty Hilldog) are allowed to qoute others and get away with it. Why are we allowed to say the Pledge, why are we allowed to say prayers, why are we allowed to sing along to songs we all know, and noone cares?

Why is all that acceptable, but Obama quoting SOMEONE WHO SUPPORTS HIM AND TOLD HIM TO USE THE LINES, is not? Can anyone explain this blatant attack on common sense?

Posted by: orik9 | February 18, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

What we have here is a failure to communicate...

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Well, McCain just said today, "No new taxes." So it looks like he plagarized George Bush senior. Must be an epidemic of plagaritus going around.

Posted by: johnnormansp | February 18, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

If a student plagerizes, there are dire consequences, if a journalist plagerizes, it ends a career, if an employee plagerizes, there is direpute. How can Obama, the supposed mesiah of a new type of politics, not be held accountable.

Obama is a false man with many words that are not his own but draws mostly from the spirit of others living and dead - like a cool looking device that players others people's music and calls it his own. A sad fad and hypocrite.

Obamatrons, stop driniking the Kool-Aid it is making you blind, venomous and un-cool.

Vote Hilary 08

Posted by: truthteller52 | February 18, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Well, looks like Michele Obama has a foot in the mouth disease. She said today that" she is proud of her country for the FIRST time" . She has a lot of explaining now !!!!

Posted by: vs_sv | February 18, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

If you want to search sth online, you can google it.
If you want copy&paste sth, you can obama it.

Thanks for obamaing the above onto internet.

Posted by: hgogo | February 18, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Are Democrats going into self destruct mode to get McCain elected? "Anyone" was slated to win against Bush in 04, and they lost it with John Kerry. Now, Hillary is coming out to smear and detract from who just might be the contender against McCain. Way to go Hillary!! Republicans are pretty slimy, but they can always count on Democratic ineptness to get them sworn into the Whitehouse.

Posted by: johnnormansp | February 18, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

I would like to know why the Clinton campaign (and quite a few of you her) are so hung up over debates. Just because Obama doesn't accept every single petty debate invitation from Clinton doesn't mean he is affraid.

Perhaps (and considering the fact that he is running an actual campaign here, unlike some), he actually has someplace better to be, like at rallies, talking to actual people and not answering questions from barely human pundits and trying to breathe under the spew of halfbaked attempts at logic Clinton manages to fill the room with.

He has attended several debates and there are already more coming up, so stop complaining about the lack of debates and find a new nonissue to focus all you attention on.

Posted by: orik9 | February 18, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I have been a fan of President Clinton as I enjoyed the popularity of the US worldwide during his administration. I don't believe Sen. Clinton can do the same for us. Sen. Obama is fresh, honest, clean, and he will make our great nation into a better place for all of us. Lack of experience? He has many experienced, good people available to serve as cabinet members and advisers. All he needs is common sense and intelligence, and he has an ample supply of both. Sen. Clinton is getting desperate, she can see the nomination slipping away from her. We will see much more negative campaigning from her camp in the days to come. Let's not lose sight of the important matter! We need Senator Obama as our next President!

Posted by: menot.pete | February 18, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Some of you are mocking Obama for saying "talk good", but if you were at the rally, you would understand that he used it in the context of mocking those who criticize him for being just a good orator. He is fine with grammer, he was making fun of someone else's words.

Oh wait, is that plagiarim?

Posted by: orik9 | February 18, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

OMG! There is a video now making the rounds of Hillary giving a speech where she uses the phrase "Fired up and ready to go", clearly plagiarizing Barack Obama! LOL!! What a bunch of pathetic desperate hypocrits the Hillary campaign is. America deserves better. Obama 08!

Posted by: zb95 | February 18, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

On the trends front:

Her is a look at Texas.
http://www.google.com/trends?q=Barack+Obama%2C+Hillary+Clinton&ctab=0&geo=US&geor=usa.tx&date=2008-2&sort=0

(BEWARE THIS HAS BEEN PLAGERIZED)

Obama has once again taken a commanding lead in the number of people searching for him, compared to Hillary Clinton. We can see that this started a couple weeks before and continued right through Super Tuesday, which is very interesting.

(BEWARE THIS HAS BEEN PLAGERIZED)

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Big News. I never heard Clinton give credit to her speech writers. Or does this mean that she is writing them all by herself. And I am sure that she came up with her policies on healthcare etc. all by herself. Never heard her give credit to her advisors.

I hope that next time Mrs. Clinton does the Pledge of Allegiance, she will not forget to mention that these are not her own words .

Posted by: spamerissimo | February 18, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

The Hillary campagin gets uglier and nastier by the day. I suspect the Dem party leaders are not too happy with her bashing the probable Dem nominee.

Posted by: zb95 | February 18, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

What in the hell are you Hillary supporters talking about?!?! Is this the type of solutions the Hillary campaign is in the business of? I think many Hillary supporters are just ignorant or have short-term memory. So the Clinton camp is trying to get everyone up in arms about Obama using lines from his friend and one of his advisors Governor Deval. I wonder if any folks notice the mild "intellectual slap" he swung back at his Clinton campaign accusers. To paraphrase, Obama said he had written two of his own books and most of his speeches. This is in sharp contrast to Hillary Clinton and her book "It takes a Village" which Hillary failed to mention the author Barbara Feinman. Ms. Feinman was pissed off at Hillary for this.

http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/wiki/Barbara_Feinman/

Posted by: ajtiger92 | February 18, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

It seems that the laugh quotient on this latest Clinton "attack" indicates that it's a story that would have been more appropriately reported by Jay Leno than the Washington Post.

World New Tonight with Charles Gibson just blew the lid off of Hillary's even more glaring "plagiarism" problems, showing her clearly ripping off John Edwards' "Block Buster" statement (along with several other good ideas that she has stolen).

And the laughs go on...

Posted by: miraclestudies | February 18, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

bhattt:
OBAMA WAS SMART TO LIMIT THE DEBATE SCHEDULE. WHY SHOULD HE GIVE THE BROKE CLINTON CAMPAIGN FREE AIR TIME. WHY DO YOU THINK SHE IS USING EVERY CHEAP TRICK SHE CAN COME UP WITH TO GRAB FREE PRESS. SHE'S USED TO CHEAP TRICKS THOUGH...HER HUSBAND HAS DATED THEM FOR YEARS! TRUTH BE KNOW HE PROBABLY CAN'T STAND HER EITHER. POLITICS MAKES STRANGE BED FELLOWS. UNFORTUNATELY FOR BILL HE GOT STUCK WITH HER.

Posted by: ED_SCOTT | February 18, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

camasca,

That is disingenuous and I have to say, desperation is not attractive. But, keep it up. Every time the Clinton campaign does these things, it increases the odds for Obama.

Posted by: jameswhanger | February 18, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Best blogger award goes to......


Martin Edwin Andersen

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Rachel Sklar is a hottie!

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Rachel Sklar is a hottie.

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Rachel Sklar is a hottie.

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters who talk of character assassination by the Clintons, is it no different with Obama?

Obama supporters first response to a Hillary attack on Obama is that she is basically scum.

Tavis Smiley went after Obama, kind of, he was just mad that Obama wouldn't come to his event, and even Tavis got quite a few attacks for being scum.

Obama makes references to breaking with the past, and points to Hillary being divisive. Uh huh, and that's not character assassination.

But anyways, he copied a speech. Nobody in the audience knew it, that's important. Especially for someone on the pedestal as being a great and inspirational "leader".

Maybe he's just an inspirational orator.

Posted by: camasca | February 18, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

When Hillary Clinton used a ghostwriter for her book "It Takes a Village" she did not credit her anywhere in the volume.

Maybe Hillary's next book should be "It takes a Thief."


Martin Edwin Andersen

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | February 18, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

bhattt,

That's hilarious. Sad. But funny nonetheless.

Posted by: jameswhanger | February 18, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Maybe not a twit...

Maybe like the others of his ilk, a paid shill...or a HillShill...

...or just a plain old person who partakes in Shillary.

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Some people are calling Obama a Messiah. I used to support Obama before he became the front runner. I can happily say that I am off the bandwagon now. This man is a fraud. I thought he was totally authentic at first. I am saddened by his dishonesty. I hope the media stops being a cheerleader and campaigner for him. I understand that the Obama cult is a reality and people think of him as a God, but I do not. He is nothing but big talk and no action. Obama, you should have accepted the debates. It would have showed your stature. Your excuse for not debating was silly and showed you were afraid. I guess I understand why Obama couldn't debate. He is a rehearsed person. Unfortunately he's another fake con artist.

Posted by: bhatttt | February 18, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Just an observation from reading the posts.

washington4 is a twit.

NOUN: 1. The act or an instance of twitting. 2. A reproach, gibe, or taunt. 3. Slang A foolishly annoying person.

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Looks like half his speeches are ripped.
Im a bit disappointed

Posted by: hhkeller | February 18, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

It is settled. When I showed my 10 year old son the Patrick and Obama video, he said it is a copy. So it passes the smell test of plagiarism. Parents are supposed to teach kids not to copy verbatum from websites while doing their homeworks unless you quote them

Stop arguing like kids and let the Obama Moonies admit a mistake amd move on. If there is a pattern, then Obama is finished....

Posted by: vs_sv | February 18, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

According to an ABC report, Obama says he "usually gives credit when quoting people or using ideas, but he insisted that he is friends with Patrick."

Wow that's something remarkable. Let's go back and check the Harvard Law Review articles written by Obama -- I wonder if he borrowed a few paragraphs from his friends. And so it begs the question, can you really be plagarizing when in fact you are not writing the speeches in the first place? And therefore is it the words that inspire Obamaniacs or the VOICE? If it is the words, then who are you voting for Ted Sorenson? Makes you wonder.

Posted by: krutkow75 | February 18, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

It's the Clinton's and their managers, Wolfson and Lanny Davis. They have no shame whatsoever. And, interestingly they don't seem to recognize they are actually undermining her support. I love it!!

Posted by: jameswhanger | February 18, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

FOLLOW THE VENOM...

Remember this?

"There is no place in our campaign, or any campaign, for this kind of politics. A volunteer county coordinator made the mistake of forwarding an outrageous and offensive chain e-mail. This was wholly unauthorized and we were totally unaware of it. Let me be clear: No one should be engaging in this. We are asking this volunteer county coordinator to step down and are making it clear to every person involved in our campaign that this will not be tolerated."

LOL - That was from from Clinton campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle when it turned out that the whole e-mail smear campaign claiming that Mr. Obama was a secret Muslim had, after all, in fact been initiated by the Clinton Iowa county chair (Hillary Clinton - of course - didn't know anything about that...LOL)

And then there was the "cult of personality" spin from a mysterious caller (who - no doubt - had nothing to do with the Clintons campaign, or if the caller did, I am sure Hillary Clinton didn't know anything about that either - right?):

CALLER: They have all these people that follow him like a blind cult, like he's a one-man Grateful Dead concert. I call them the "Obamunists," the people that follow Barack Obama the Obamunists.

RUSH: It is strictly a cult of personality. It has nothing to do with the issues. You could go down every list of liberal things he supports.

And speaking of plagiarism, I am sure it is a pure coincidence too that Paul Krugman, picked up the ball on this and run with it in his Feb. 11 op-ed piece in the New York Times - I quote:
"I'm not the first to point out that the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality. We've already had that from the Bush administration -- remember Operation Flight Suit?"

WOW. How underhanded...and disingenuous. (I discovered a side there to Mr. krugman that I was not aware of.)

There is a clear pattern here: this kind of stuff has been going on non-stop from the Clintons's campaign from the comment about Mr. Obama's kindergarten's record to, now, this non-sense about plagiarism. So much for Hillary Clinton's claim that she is running on "substance" and "experience." Or maybe the "experience," Hillary Clinton is running on is that of "gutter politics" and character assassination - the kind of "experience" that gives Washington politics a bad name and, quite frankly, the kind of "experience" most people would be happy to do away with - I know I do.

You know, maybe, I'll leave the conclusion to Mr. Krugman here:

"character assassination are all ways of distracting voters from the issues, and people who care about the issues have a shared interest in making the politics of hatred unacceptable."

I couldn't agree more.

Posted by: marnie_bowen | February 18, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Ready on day one should properly be attributed to Paris Hilton

Posted by: majorteddy | February 18, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

How can it be plagiarism when the "author" knew about it? Get over it folks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/us/politics/18video.html?scp=2&sq=deval+patrick&st=nyt

Is it any wonder why people develop a disdain for "The Clintons" when they resort to these types of baseless, personal, character-assassination attacks.

Posted by: Eyzwidopn | February 18, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

*Opposed to INSPIRATION & HOPE

*Pro DENIGRATION & DESPAIR

**CLINTON '08

Posted by: jameswhanger | February 18, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama's got nothing right now. He's left saying, "well you plagerized too!".

He's getting down in the mud.

So much for the high road.

Take Public Funding?.....maybe not.

So much for the high road.

Let's get down in the mud!

Posted by: camasca | February 18, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

IS THERE NO DEPTH TO WHICH HILLARY WILL SINK. MAYBE SOMEONE SHOULD DO A SIDE BY SIDE VIDEO OF HER AND MITT ROMNEY CLAIMING TO BE HUNTERS. SHE GETS MORE UNLIKEABLE EVERYDAY. I'M SURE HER NAME REMAINING ON THE MICHIGAN BALLOT IN THE ABSENSE OF ALL THE OTHER DEMS WAS NO ACCIDENT. SHE DOESN'T DO ANYTHING THAT ISN'T CALCULATED. NOW SHE WANTS THOSE DELEGATES TO COUNT TOWARD HER NOMINATION! WHEN THIS STARTED I FAVORED OBAMA BUT WOULD HAVE SUPPORTED HILLARY IF THAT WAS THE WAY THE CARDS FELL. NOW I'M THINKING FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE OF VOTING FOR THE REPUBLICAN IF SHE GETS THE NOMINATION. SHE IS SHOWING THAT SHE IS A SNAKE NOT THAT SHE HAS THE INTEGRATY OR CHARACTER TO BE OUR PRESIDENT.

Posted by: ED_SCOTT | February 18, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING: The Obama campaign is now distributing a video to the media that shows Hillary giving a speech where she uses the phrase "Fired up and ready to go", clearly plagiarizing Barack Obama.

Posted by: zb95 | February 18, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

ATTENTION HILLARY LOVERS:

The superdelegates are watching. I suspect they do not like the Hillary campaign trashing the probable Dem nominee. She better be careful or they may pull the plug on her even before she has a chance on March 4th.

Posted by: zb95 | February 18, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton campaign is opposed to INSPIRATION & HOPE and for DENIGRATION & DESPAIR .

Posted by: jameswhanger | February 18, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons disgust me.

Posted by: zb95 | February 18, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons will DO ANYTHING, SAY ANYTHING, and CHEAT their way to the nomination if they have to.

Posted by: jameswhanger | February 18, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ocean73_2000 | February 18, 2008 05:40 PM

Obama supporters make me sick. You guys can't defend your guy, so instead you fling mud at Hillary. Obama is a plagirizer and thats the bottom line. He borrowed exact lines from his friend, the Mass governor during his election run in 2006. Obama robots should just admit what happened and move on. Look at Obama's reponse to this. He admits that he should have given credit to who originated the speech. You, guys love your idol so much that you just can't come to grips that he screwed up big time in responding to Hillary's claim that his speeches are just hollow. He proved that with his speech. =

Posted by: ocean73_2000 | February 18, 2008 05:40 PM

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Take the needle out of your arm!

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Plagerism makes a dramatic headline, but just like the "snub" brouhaha of two weeks it is far more important as an illustation of the continuing Rovian tactics of the Clinton campaign. It reminds me of the old story (told by Orson Welles among others)of the frog and the scorpian. Fleeing a forest fire, a frog and a scorpian come to a swift flowing river. the frog says two the scorpian "Get on my back, I'll get to you to safety on the other side" Halfway across the river, the scorpian bites the frog who, dying, says "Why? You will die too" And the scorpian says: "But I cannot change my nature"

Posted by: Phrank1 | February 18, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton has not had an original inspiring quote in her life. What a pathetic loser candidate. She needs to drop out before she destroys the party.

Posted by: zb95 | February 18, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M6x1H08aFc

Looks like a total ripp to me

Posted by: hhkeller | February 18, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"Yes We Can" was used by the immigrants in their marches a couple of years back. Some couple 100,000 strong.

They said,

"Si se puede!" Yes we can. It was heavily attended by Illinois Washington pols.

So of course he shrugs off copying something. The whole campaign is based on borrowed rhetoric.

I believe Bill Clinton used "Hope" in his run.

That's why Obama is nothing new.

Posted by: camasca | February 18, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Who wrote "It Takes a Village"?
Barbara Feinman

Whose name is on the cover?
Hillary Rodham Clinton

What color is the pot calling the kettle?

Posted by: ablackstormy | February 18, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

conbrio,

The only FAIRYTALE in this campaign, is that Bill CLinton pretends that he's not been cheating on Hillary for the past 6 years. The sad part of that FAIRYTALE is that it suggests incredibly POOR JUDGMENT on the part of Hillary. Naive???

Posted by: jameswhanger | February 18, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

rickhoncho says, "I'm wondering if Obama will give credit to Hitler since he stole whole paragraphs from some of his speeches. Here are 4 examples," then refers to a site that gives four quotes it attributes to Hitler. A couple of questions, however: (1) Maybe Hitler said them, as the website claims; but when did Obama say them? (2) Didn't Hitler say whatever it was he said in German?

More mindless drivel from the Clintonites!!

Posted by: thrh | February 18, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

This charge of "plagiarism" is simply a distraction - a clear sign of desperation on the part of Hillary Clinton. I am glad senator Obama has treated it dismissively. He needs to stay focussed and march on to victory

Posted by: joedaly | February 18, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters make me sick. You guys can't defend your guy, so instead you fling mud at Hillary. Obama is a plagirizer and thats the bottom line. He borrowed exact lines from his friend, the Mass governor during his election run in 2006. Obama robots should just admit what happened and move on. Look at Obama's reponse to this. He admits that he should have given credit to who originated the speech. You, guys love your idol so much that you just can't come to grips that he screwed up big time in responding to Hillary's claim that his speeches are just hollow. He proved that with his speech. =

Posted by: ocean73_2000 | February 18, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons make me hate them more and more. And they are completely turning me off to politics. Is this really what it has come down. Obama could have been accused her of plagarizm!!! No one can deny that she has used lines of his on the stump! John McCain just said "Fired up and ready to go" just the other day. And it was all over the news, and no one accused him of plagarizing. God, is this really America. Give me a break. This is why the Clintons need to go, and anyone associated with them. This is the politics that we've seen in George Bush the last seven years. Democrats wake up and vote her out!

Posted by: lashandajackson | February 18, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

If his zealous sheep-like supporters will take one sober moment to reflect, they"ll shake off the spell of demagoguery that Obama has cast, aided by the unquestioning media that fabricated him. Some say he''s riding on nothing but great oratory. Today we learn it''s great plagiarized oratory. I"ll go a step further-he''s a second-rate speaker with meaningless lines that insult our intelligence, who stutters his way through debates and interviews. Great orator? The new JFK?? Talk about audacious! To paraphrase an orator who tells it like it is: "this whole thing is the biggest fairytale I"ve ever heard!"

Posted by: conbrio127 | February 18, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Insincerity is sooo unattractive.

Posted by: jameswhanger | February 18, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Hilarious!! James Carville, one of the least ethical people in this world is accusing Obama of being so. TOOOO FUNNNY!!

Posted by: jameswhanger | February 18, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty sure Hillary didn't rip off "the empowerment of solutions" from anyone. I can't imagine anyone with an IQ above seven mouthing such a phrase without breaking down into fatal giggles.

Posted by: thrh | February 18, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton campaign makes me sick with these stupid trash attacks. They need to back off and let the party and this country move forward. I once admired the Clintons and I voted for Bill twice but now I am starting to despise them.

Posted by: zb95 | February 18, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm wondering if Obama will give credit to Hitler since he stole whole paragraphs from some of his speeches. Here are 4 examples

http://smithfiles.com/2008/02/17/uncovering-aldolf-obama/

Posted by: rickhoncho | February 18, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Give me a break. Are you telling me that anyone expects every word that comes out of a president's mouth to be his own? That's why they have speechwriters. I went into the primaries happy to have the opportunity to actually have at least two candidates I thought I could support instead of the prospect of voting for the lesser of two evils. My only advice to Obama at this point is not to get down in the mud to wrestle with a pig: both of you get dirty and the pig likes it. Plagarism Alert: I swiped that saying from my Dad, who swiped it from someone else. That doesn't make it any the less true.

Posted by: ken | February 18, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

These charges are laughable compared with the Kurtz allegation Hillary is telling the American public one thing and, off the record, telling the press corp something different.

"On her campaign plane, Clinton started coming back to the press section for off-the-record chats, usually harmless but sometimes including comments that contradicted what she was saying publicly, according to participants. Two weeks ago part of the media contingent revolted, saying the conversations did them no good if they couldn't use the information."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/04/11/LI2005041100587.html?hpid=topnews


Why is the press covering this story up? Becuase this is what happens when you try to report honestly about the Clintons:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0907/5992.html

Posted by: staxnet | February 18, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

It's just desperation time for Hillary, folks. She's definitely grasping at straws. When you think you are entitled to the post of commander-in-chief because you are married to a former president it's tough to face the facts.

She's so desperate she's now saying she eats Mexican hot peppers to ward off colds. Automatically, that should get the Latino vote, right? Wrong!

Posted by: eslynch | February 18, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Ahhhh, so this is what desperation smells like. PMSL with these charges, after Patrick said 'why don't you use this'. lol

Posted by: JayKay2 | February 18, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Charges of plagiarism from the wife of the single greatest thief of every good Republican idea to come down the pike during his administration? What's the world coming to?!? lol

You know what Hillary Clinton's worst problem is? There isn't a single nasty thing she can accuse Barack Obama with that either she or her husband (or both) haven't done FIRST AND BIGGER!

And that's a really BIG problem for her (and that's not the media's "fault").

Posted by: miraclestudies | February 18, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 05:05 PM
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I can see it with McCain, but what makes you so sure that the Indies will become disenfranchised?

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Because if he follows any of the plans he (or his advisers) are proposing, he will need to pay by raising taxes for upper middle class. This was discussed at length during the last Dec. and first Jan. Dem. debates, but nobody seems to remember it now. Clinton also raises taxes, but for wealthier individuals. Most independents are upper middle class, not wealthy, not blue collar. Interestingly, Clinton's plans target the core democratic base, although she has a history of being more centrist. Looks like Clinton's supporters DO know what she proposes, because she attracts exactly those people. Some (most?) of Obama's followers are the complete opposite of what it should be based on his position on issues.

Posted by: dmarcule | February 18, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

The good news is that this gives Obama some experience dealing with nasty attacks like he will get from the Repubs during the general election. Thank you Hillary for being Obama's sparring partner.

Posted by: zb95 | February 18, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Are you serious?? Has the Clinton camp sunk so low as to do anything to win no matter how disgusting and underhanded it might be? Plagarism?? Are you serious?? If this is the bar that Hillary's hack opertive Wolfson sets then everyone in America is gulity of it. How many people in America repeated the phrase "Where's the beef?". We heard it in songs and commericals and everyday people on the street. It almost became a phenomenon on its own. And yet you didn't hear the average Joe say "Where's the beef?" and then follow it with a footnote that someone else actually first said this on such a date. It is incredibly ridiculous and nobody cares. How is this debate providing healthcare for everyone and helping strengthen the middle class?

At least Obama knows where he got the sentence from and even got permission from Gov. Deval to use the sentence in his speeches. I have no idea who first coined the phrase "Where's the Beef" but that hasn't stopped anyone in America from using this phrase.

Posted by: ezne1son | February 18, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

This is all part of the Clinton campaign theme of DENIGRATION and STAGNATION. DENIGRATION of Obama and STAGNATION of the Democratic party.

Posted by: jameswhanger | February 18, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

plagiarize (merriam webster): to present the ideas or words of another as one's own. You would think a professor of law would be well versed on this subject. I wonder if he has ever had a student that had this type a problem........people actually loose jobs over this one! He dodges debates because as the nuts and bolt of issues enter the picture.....he bolts!!!!

Posted by: cbl0213 | February 18, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Senator Hillary Clinton is really pulling for straws, isn't she?

This has got to rank as one of the most irrelevant and impertinent political arguments. Is it possible that Chelsea is a "practicing thespian" and her brother is a known "homo sapiens"?

We'll need to start CGI-ing our politicians so that they can be squeaky clean, brush with Pepsodent and walk with giants.

(doink!)

Posted by: cubanbach | February 18, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

This is why so many people hate politics. This is a non-story turned into story by the Clinton spin machine and the media much like the handshake snub. I know the Clintons ar desperate to deflate the "words" of Obama but this is really a cheap shot. They shoud be ashamed.

Posted by: zb95 | February 18, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

This is more of the Clinton campaign engaging in the OLD POLITICS. They will do it until they destroy the Democratic party.

Did you see the Clinton campaign staffers above pretending to be Republicans. It's vile, but not surprising.

Posted by: jameswhanger | February 18, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: washington4 | February 18, 2008 05:04 PM

In reference to bkmhawaii:

You say, In first year in senate, Hussien Obama "authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427"...

Posted by: washington4 | February 18, 2008 05:04 PM

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Really adult like with the Hussein cheap shot. What's your point using his middle name? Are you trying to pander to the fears of the ignorant, by aluding to some mythical muslim background.

You are the atypical Hillary supporter. Slinging your anti-futuristic pro staus-quo rhetoric, all in hope of increasing your demographic.

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: washington4 | February 18, 2008 05:04 PM

In reference to bkmhawaii:

You say, In first year in senate, Hussien Obama "authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427"...

Posted by: washington4 | February 18, 2008 05:04 PM

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Really adult like with the Hussein cheap shot. What's your point using his middle name? Are you trying to pander to the fears of the ignorant, by aluding to some mythical muslim background.

You are the atypical Hillary supporter. Slinging your anti-futuristic pro staus-quo rhetoric, all in hope of increasing your demographic.

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Clinton's mindless distractions are an insult to the intelligence of the American people. Next she'll try to convince us that Obama just stole his ideas from Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt, and John F. Kennedy. Sorry, Mrs. Clinton. These are American ideas. They're not for sale. They belong to all of us.

Clinton's campaign is a nasty joke. I hope the Democratic party doesn't fall for it.

Posted by: maq1 | February 18, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

this is so silly. first off, the words " i have a dream, " MLK "we have nothing to fear but fear itself, " FDR " we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal " Declaration of Independence --aren't patrick's either, these are all widely used phrases in our national lexicon. for example when someone tells you to " never give up " (do they need to site winston churchill) ? -- obama was using an rhetorical argument used by patrick- and you can't plagiarize an argument. this is really desperate from the HRC camp- and shows that her hired guns really do lack ideas, and solutions that will connect with the american people.

Posted by: jacade | February 18, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

pup,

Hillary has more similar characteristics to Jimmy Carter than Obama does, and the notion that knowledge of policy is ENOUGH to succeed in the Whitehouse is just silly. If she can't inspire cooperation, ALL the POLICY KNOWLEDGE in the world is USELESS.

Posted by: jameswhanger | February 18, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's Supporters are grasping at straws with this, and it is understandable, Hillary's campaign is admittedly not where it thought it would be year ago at this stage of the campaign. But this does not phase Obama supporters, and for independence who read all the facts about this and put it in its proper context, will conlude this "gotch moment" is all about nothing, and just politics as usual.

Posted by: heyrichardabraham | February 18, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: dmarcule | February 18, 2008 05:01 PM

Since everybody seems to ride the Obama wagon, we can expect 4 more years of failure: McCain who wants us to stay in Iraq indefinitely or Obama who will disenfranchise the independents that now are worshiping him. I hope I'm wrong, but I've seen this happening too many times.


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I can see it with McCain, but what makes you so sure that the Indies will become disenfranchised?

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary loses both WI and TX, its over folks. Even James Carville has said this.

Posted by: zb95 | February 18, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

bkmhawaii
You say, In first year in senate, Hussien Obama "authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427". wow! One bill every 2 days! Yeah, gore, invented the internet. And of course Hillary did not cosponsor any of them! Buddy, senate runs on seniority!

Stop whatever you are smoking, in that hole you live in.

Posted by: washington4 | February 18, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Maybe this might explain why the Hillary campaign is acting so desperate:

Barack Obama has expanded his lead over Hillary Clinton in Wisconsin to 13 points, according to Public Policy Polling's latest survey in the state.

Also, a new CNN poll show them tied in TX.

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Wow. Obama!!!!

Posted by: zb95 | February 18, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

washington4 said: "Folks:
Please post more dirt on Hillary, so in the outside chance she wins, we can use that to mudsling her!"

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Do what you hate mongers usually do, make stuff up. If you say it 1000 times it becomes true.

Posted by: PhilTR | February 18, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

bkm:

How long have we been in Korea?

Posted by: JakeD | February 18, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

It's media's fault for picking up on this (worthless) story. Aren't there other more important things left in this campaign?

What puzzles me is the dichotomy between Obama's voting record (liberal - check votesmart.org, Obama's composite liberal score is 86 vs. Clinton's 70) and his campaign message (centrist). This is the reason why he is not talking about his proposed policies in his stump speeches and sends people to his website. This clearly shows that people are not choosing based on what each candidate can do, but on likability - which others call "inspiration." Karl Rove was a master of producing a great campaign for Bush Jr., but clearly that didn't translate into a great presidency. I am sure that the three candidates really left in the race are better than Bush Jr., but from "better" to "great" is a long way.

Since everybody seems to ride the Obama wagon, we can expect 4 more years of failure: McCain who wants us to stay in Iraq indefinitely or Obama who will disenfranchise the independents that now are worshiping him. I hope I'm wrong, but I've seen this happening too many times.

Posted by: dmarcule | February 18, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

You can either vote for a President who will:

1. Unify the country
2. Bring more people into the Dem Party
3. Give America a new face to the world and bring us into the future.
4. Bring the Indies into the fold
5. Be able to bring moderate Repubs into the equation
6. Has a real vision as to the possibilities that America can achieve


OR a President that can:


1. Unify the GOP
2. Return us to the past
3. NOT bring the Indies in to the fold
4. Not bring moderate Repubs into the fold
5. Bring many suitcases of baggage with them
6. Have an air of disdain by half the country

Hmmmm...

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

All power corrupts. Thats why we have the 22nd amendment limiting persons to 8 years as President. Two for the price of one for 8 more years is why Hillary is wrong.

But we better realize that "personhood" should include the spouse as well, or we may find past presidents marrying whoever is electable!

What if George Bush divorces Laura and marries Mitt Romney in Massachusetts to become the next "first consort"? When power to spend $3T is at stake, greedy men will do anything!!! :)

Posted by: bnscientist | February 18, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

John McCain's only hope is that the Clintons prevail in stealing the nomination by their nefarious tactics, and in doing so, divide the Democratic party in the fall. I know that I won't be voting for Billary in any case. She is "politics as usual," and will keep the lobbyists in business if she is able to win with her negative campaign. What will Bill do if left alone in the White House without adult supervision?

Posted by: cwcascales | February 18, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

bkmhawaii said: "During the first (8) eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced"

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And how many of these failed, failed because they were watered down, passed?

Posted by: PhilTR | February 18, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Seems much ado about nothing. Politicians do this all the time. This is a speech not a disertation. That line Barack said had about 5 different people who made those original quotes. To quote every single one of them would be rediculous. I know the Cintons are desperate to stop Obama but this is a bit much.

Posted by: zb95 | February 18, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Folks:
Please post more dirt on Hillary, so in the outside chance she wins, we can use that to mudsling her!

Also any more dirt on "O"bama please post. We will come here to create more neat swift boat ads. heh, heh, heh! Oh I forgot, we will start calling him "Barack Hussien Obama" from now on or "Barack Hussein" Or "Hussein Obama"

Posted by: washington4 | February 18, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand those of you who are on Clinton's side on this one. Here is the Random House definition of "plagiarism":

"The unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work."

This was not "unauthorized use." The original "author" of the words himself, Deval Patrick, has made that clear. Either he and Obama were talking about how to respond to Clinton's criticism that "words aren't action," or Axelrod, who advised both people, wrote the words himself and suggested them to Obama. Either way - no "unauthorized use" here. This makes it different from the Biden case. This is a non-issue!

Posted by: troyed | February 18, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Smart one, James, that's why polls show McCain either tied or losing to either of Democrats. You've lost the House, you're losing this election, and have lost the firm support of the people...all in the span of eight years. You can have your 100 years in Iraq...the military and the people will turn on you far before the end of this century. Best of luck in your hole, hiding in fear.

Posted by: kunanibeach | February 18, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bkmhawaii | February 18, 2008 04:46 PM

I DID NOT WRITE THIS! THESE ARE NOT MY WORDS. DON'T ACCUSE ME OF PLAGERISM.

BUT I THINK THEY ARE RELEVANT TO THE ARGUMENTS AT HAND.

IT TOOK ME 35 YEARS TO FIND THIS!


Here's an article to clarify points of what Clinton's "experience" has brought us...straight from the Washinton Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/31/AR2006123101004.html

And, thanks to my friend Analu, here is the counterpoint of the Clinton "experience" argument:

"Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.

These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress (www.thomas.loc.gov), but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you.

1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.
2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.
3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Hon
4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.
6. Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea.
7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.
13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.
15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.
Only five of Clinton's bills are more substantive:

16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11
18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.
19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.

There you have it-the facts straight from the Senate Record.

Now, I would post those of Obama's, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize.

During the first (8) eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced:

233 regarding healthcare reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.

His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These inculded:

**the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),
**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),
**The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,
**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),
**The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee), and many more."

[stats quoted from comments section of http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/02/04/obama-campaign-memo-re-february-5th/}

Posted by: bkmhawaii | February 18, 2008 04:46 PM

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

There is a real issue buried beneath this non-issue. It is the question of wether words alone ARE enough. Obama is right, a revolution starts with words, but a revolution only succeeds by the efforts of competent people who rebuild a nation from a dream.

Is Obama competent? He probably is, but he is unproven. Mrs. Clinton may be an uninspiring battle-axe but her competence is hard to doubt.

Obama could be another JFK, but he could also be another Jimmy Carter. Clinton of course is, well, Clinton. The 90's were a good decade. I stand by Hillary even when she makes a silly accusation like this one.

Posted by: pupplesan | February 18, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I love this! Democrats are going to lose!

Why? If Obama wins, lot of Hillary supporters are going to stay off the polls and Big "O" will be just a 0 against Sen. McCain. You cannot survive without Latinos and white middle aged women!

If Hillary wins, most african americans will stay away and Hillary will lose!

Ultimately this proves race matters. Why? "O"prah Winfrey who made money talking up women's issues, chose race over another women. She invited Obama but would not invite anyone else? Folks for a public talk show host, is that not discrimination? Its OK for a black female to discrimate (supported by advertisements, but not for a white person?)

Code words will fly. You got to win the south buddy. Sure you won the south where only black voters and some white democrats vote. Remember reagan used code words. Willie Horton here I come. "Cocaine user" here i come. Affirmative action here I come. Welfare here I come. More effective passionate "swift boat" ads here I come. It will NOT be "republicans" but rush limbaugh and other folks. Oh, LA burning riots (Rodney king) here I come! all the asian store owners who got looted, will vote John McCain. Woo hoo! Its a election for democrats to lose and they are doing it in spades. Go Republicans! The media which has been coddling Obama, cannot shield him from "precise targeted red button attack ads". Survive the pissed off Hillary voters, face Ann Coulter, Bill Oreilly, Hannity and Limbaugh!

Loser democrats. They could not change a single thing 43rd Bush asked for though they were in the majority!

Even if you defeat Mcain (hats off), you will face a hostile military (you never served in one, did you?). You have stagflation, subprime-rate issue (most of them lower economic class folks) to bail out. Have fun! You also have to face the senate with filibuster powers. Also the supreme court is firmly in the RIGHT! Ha ha ha!

I love to see the losers maim each other! Go go go! who thought the republicans will win 4 more years with such a pathetic field?

James

Posted by: washington4 | February 18, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton's attacks against Obama reek of a candidate that is desperately trying to remain in contention and remain relevant to the campaign. Its clearly not working - even having the opposite effect.

Her attacks are part of the same tired political strategy of trying to tear down an opponent when you cannot beat them. Its the same old divisive Clinton style of politics which Americans are desperately seeking to avoid.

Clinton apparently feels that since she is unable to maintain front runner status she must drag the front runner down to her level of desperation.

Fortunately, her tactics are failing in that Obama refuses to stoop to her low level campaign tactics, and, by staying on the high road, proves that he can be the candidate that truly brings the change that Democrats and all Americans are seeking.

Clinton's divisiveness and hunger for power is giving voters in remaining primary states more and more proof that she does not have the leadership abilities necessary to be a serious candidate to oppose McCain, let alone succeed as President.

She might as well quit the race now and campaign for Obama as her current tactics amount to about the same thing. With every attack, Clinton makes the case for supporting Obama stronger and stronger.

Posted by: ricroe | February 18, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

"we have two oilmen in the White House" -- Hillary Clinton, today

"we have two oilmen in the White House" -- Nancy Pelosi, August 26, 2006

You can google just about anything any of the candidates say and someone has said it before. I really can't believe the US media can make a big story out of this.

Two years from now, regardless of who wins the presidency, there will be a major crisis with difficult decisions to make. We'll look back to see what was said about it during the election, but instead of substance we'll see that the US media was focused on whether something already has been said.

Sad times for journalism.

Posted by: rwb111 | February 18, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Take Obama's words out and the Emperor is naked. Plagiarism is serious because it involves a) integrity b) originality c) capacity and d) judgment. All qualities required for a president. The democratic campaign is stressful and it is supposed to be to eliminate the weak candidates. This is as close to a Howard Dean's as we are going to get. In sum, Obama cracked under pressure. Republicans will explore his weakness to the full extent. Again, his lack of experience will require a strong VP. Not great for Obama supporters.

Posted by: ckewu | February 18, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Phil6

"Realistically, Obama should step down because plagiarism is a serious charge, one that was also brought against MLK, Jr. and seriously tainted his legacy. Obama has been speaking at college campuses, if a college student did this in a speech or a paper, he would be expelled, no questions asked. As has been mentioned earlier, Biden was forced to drop out of an earlier presidential race due to plagiarism. This story has real legs....developing....

Posted by: Phil6 | February 18, 2008 04:14 PM

You and the rest of the Hillary Shills need to get off this little boat. If this argument is all that the Hillary campaign has left...arrgghhh! Drop out of the race for something like thins? What are you smoking?

There are serious issues at hand, and for someone who proports that she is an issues gal, well, were are they?

Giving speeches about how giving speeches isn't the same as solutions, and then crying about such a petty little jab.

hahaha...please!!!

Posted by: CitizenXX | February 18, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

A few words of my own, a few excerpts, feel free to plagiarize!! This was to be expected of Hillary, start throwing dirt.

Obama is a far more beautiful person than Clinton. He's beautiful on the inside. What kind of example is a woman who stays with a cheating husband? Who will say or do anything to get elected? Hillary Clinton has always had a victim mentality, anyone who understands people can see this. This is not a stable person. In comparison, how incredible is Michelle Obama? Isn't she a better female role model than Clinton? Hillary Clinton's experience is mired in controversy, ranging from:

1) turning $1,000 into $100,000 in cattle futures while working for the Rose law firm. She received tips from James B. Blair who was outside counsel for Tyson Foods in Arkansas. In one day she made over $10,000 on day trading which would point to insider knowledge from within Tyson Foods.

Washington Post (please check my references if you like)


2) to Whitewater, a 1980s land deal that went bad and revealed that 1) Bill Clinton exerted pressure on an Arkansas businessman, David Hale, to make an illegal loan that would benefit him and the owners of Madison Guaranty; and 2) that an Arkansas bank had concealed transactions involving Clinton's gubernatorial campaign in 1990.


3) to Travelgate, the 1993 firing of seven longtime employees of the travel office, which handles travel arrangements for reporters and television crews covering the president. Hillary Rodham Clinton, who is alleged to have pressured White House lawyers into dismissing the travel office staff and bringing in the FBI to investigate them, so that friends of the First Family could enjoy the office's patronage spoils.

Columbia Journalism Review/New York Observer


4) In the aftermath of the apparent suicide (yes, it gets ugly!) of her former partner and closest confidant, White House Deputy Counsel Vincent Foster, Hillary Clinton ordered the overturn of an agreement to allow the Justice Department to examine the files in the dead man's office. Her closest friends and aides, under oath, have been blatantly disremembering this likely obstruction of justice, and may have to pay for supporting Hillary's lie with jail terms.

New York Times

5) In August 2000, during her first Senate run, Clinton met with the Hasidic community in New Square, where many members were working to obtain clemency for four members of their community who had been convicted of stealing tens of millions of dollars from the state and federal government.
She refused to talk about the controversial pardons of the four New York Hasidic Jews by her husband. New Square voted 1359-10 for the first lady - although other nearby Hasidic enclaves voted 3480-152 for Clinton's GOP opponent, former Rep. Rick Lazio.


New York Times

6) Hillary Clinton's brother Hugh Rodham , was paid approximately $200,000 from Almon Glenn Braswell, whom President Clinton pardoned for mail fraud and perjury, as was Carlos Vignali, whose sentence for cocaine trafficking was commuted. News of his involvement in the pardon controversy prompted an outrage in Washington, D.C.

"I knew nothing about my brother's involvement in these pardons," Sen. Clinton said at the time. "I knew nothing about his taking money for his involvement."

The Clintons asked Hugh Rodham to return the cash, which he did.

Time Magazine

7) Hillary Clinton's brother Tony Rodham was paid $244,769 over 2½ years by a carnival company, United Shows of America, owned by Edgar and Vonna Jo Gregory. The Gregorys had been convicted of bank fraud and were seeking pardons. Tony Rodham has said he mentioned their pardon application to his brother-in-law, who ultimately granted the Gregorys a pardon. But Rodham said he was not paid for anything having to do with the pardon.

Boston Globe

8) Peter Paul has business relationship with Clintons that goes bad. Clintons steal one of his clients and he retaliates turning Clinton in for violating campaign regulations during a fundraiser he held for her to the tune of $1 million. The FEC formally determined that Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign treasurer, Andrew Grossman is legally responsible for the three false FEC reports that Hillary's finance director, David Rosen, was criminally charged and tried for in mid-2005. Mr. Grossman signed a "Conciliation Agreement" with the FEC on December 13, 2005, admitting his culpability, and agreeing to pay a civil fine and amend his false reports to reflect the $721,000 that he failed to report since October, 2000.

Wall Street Journal


9) Pastor Got $1.5 Million in Clinton Earmarks Before Endorsement

Widely reported


10) Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton gives large earmarks of $1 billion in government-backed financing for a development project called Destiny. Robert Congel, the owner of Destiny, then turned around and financed and campaigned for her.

Robert J. Congel, his family and associates affiliated with his development have donated $40,000 to Clinton's state and national campaigns since she first ran for office in 1999.

Congel co-hosted a Syracuse fundraiser for her, an event said to have raised an additional $50,000. Lobbying firms hired by Congel in connection with Destiny and other ventures also donated more than $200,000 to various Clinton campaign funds, records show.

LA Times

11) New School in New York City, which received $1.6 million in earmarks in this year's defense budget and $6 million previously, is particularly well-connected. Its president, former Sen. Bob Kerrey (D-Neb.), campaigned for Clinton in Iowa. Three school trustees are among Clinton's most prominent backers, having each raised at least $100,000 for her campaign. A former trustee is Norman Hsu, who was indicted on fraud charges. After Hsu's criminal past was revealed last summer, Clinton returned $850,000 he raised for her.

LA Times


12) to falsely attacking Obama as a pro-life candidate for voting "present" in New Hampshire.


13) Her husband Bill Clinton says he consulted her on every major decision. Does that include Rwanda, and his decision to stand by and watch genocide kill hundreds of thousands of people? She is firmly entrenched with Bill and the establishment, at best a dirty politician who knows everything there is to know about our political system. A vote for her is a vote for the status quo. The Republicans are so sure she is the next Democratic nominee that there's even a movie set to release.


14) http://www.hillarythemovie.com/


15) btw Bill Clinton is an experienced sexual predator with at least half a dozen rapes or assaults on women reported.

Posted by: greg_martin8 | February 18, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Just, Wow!
I'm crushed. I just can't believe it.
I was a big supporter of Obama's, but now I realize how much of my preference was based on his ability to turn a moving phrase. Given that I can no longer assume that phrase isn't cherry picked from speeches of other politicians, I'm just plain embarrassed I could have been such a sucker.

Posted by: zukermand | February 18, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Here's an article to clarify points of what Clinton's "experience" has brought us...straight from the Washinton Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/31/AR2006123101004.html

And, thanks to my friend Analu, here is the counterpoint of the Clinton "experience" argument:

"Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term (6yrs.), and another year campaigning, has managed to author and pass into law, (20) twenty pieces of legislation in her first six years.

These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress (www.thomas.loc.gov), but to save you trouble, I'll post them here for you.

1. Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.
2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.
3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Hon
4. Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
5. Name courthouse after James L. Watson.
6. Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea.
7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.
13. Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.
15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.
Only five of Clinton's bills are more substantive:

16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11
18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.
19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.

There you have it-the facts straight from the Senate Record.

Now, I would post those of Obama's, but the list is too substantive, so I'll mainly categorize.

During the first (8) eight years of his elected service he sponsored over 820 bills. He introduced:

233 regarding healthcare reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.

His first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These inculded:

**the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 (became law),
**The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, (became law),
**The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate,
**The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, (became law),
**The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill, (In committee), and many more."

[stats quoted from comments section of http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/02/04/obama-campaign-memo-re-february-5th/}

Posted by: kunanibeach | February 18, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Here are some details from the Massachusesetts mandatory health care program which Clinton wants to make national:
"What are the costs? Costs are determined by family size to be covered, age of adults to be covered and income level. A single person must pay the FULL COST of insurance premiums if their income is greater than $30,636. A couple must pay the FULL COST of insurance premiums if their income is greater than $41,076. A family, 1 couple with one child, must pay the FULL COST of insurance premiums if their income is greater than $51,516, and so on. Government assistance is provided to those making less than the stated income level within each family size mentioned above. To get more information on the assistance provided, you may go to www.mahealthconnector.org . This assistance may be changing soon, as indicated by this recent article in the Boston Globe. www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/02/15/health_plan_rates_may_rise_by_14/
Below is a table with premium costs PER MONTH of plans currently available within numerous categories:
Single making more---------------------Insufficient------------------Good---------------------
than $30,636/year--------Age----------Coverage-----------------Coverage------------------
---------------------------------30--------------$199.40--------------$347.69 - $473.42
---------------------------------40--------------$201.30--------------$396.00 - $577.00
---------------------------------50--------------$253.20--------------$441.50 - $826.06
---------------------------------60--------------$398.81--------------$695.39 - $946.83

Couple making more--------------------Insufficient------------------Good---------------------
than $41,076/year--------Age-----------Coverage-----------------Coverage------------------
---------------------------------30--------------$428.72--------------$747.54 - $1060.80
---------------------------------40--------------$579.84--------------$884.00 - $1252.29
---------------------------------50--------------$586.87--------------$942.00 - $1717.43
---------------------------------60--------------$857.43--------------$1144.00 - $1906.63
Family, 1 child more--------------------Insufficient------------------Good---------------------
than $51,516/year--------Age-----------Coverage-----------------Coverage------------------
---------------------------------30--------------$618.15--------------$1077.85 - $1572.00
---------------------------------40--------------$792.48--------------$1390.71 - $1673.67
---------------------------------50--------------$845.23--------------$1475.49 - $1915.00
---------------------------------60--------------$1139.53------------$1984.00 - $2415.07
About this table - The column titled "Insufficient Coverage" is the monthly premium for the cheapest plan available within all categories. The reason I titled it "Insufficient Coverage" is that I believe it is just that! This plan has a $2000 deductible per person, or $4000 for a family. It only covers 20% of hospital stays after the deductibles are met. I don't believe this is a worthwhile health insurance plan because the premiums don't justify the high deductibles, and because what we uninsured really need is protection against a huge unexpected hospital bill. I included this option in the table, however, to be honest about the lowest cost plans that are available. The column titled "Good Coverage" is the monthly premium for a range of different plans that have low or no deductibles, and 100% coverage for hospital stays. To see all the plans available for every family size and age, you can go to www.mahealthconnector.org . "

Posted by: bluefusion | February 18, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Seeing the way Hillary is behaving these days, may be Hillary''s parents should have.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqKWXirsU

Posted by: bigbubbatx | February 18, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Are we now being taught ethics and morality by the Clintons? The same Clintons of the Lewinsky era? How stupid do they think we are???

Posted by: Formerrepublican | February 18, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Seeing the way Hillary is behaving these days, may be Hillary''s parents should have.....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqKWXirsU

Posted by: bigbubbatx | February 18, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

According to Barack, words matter ... that is ... except when they're borrowed from someone else.

Posted by: PhilTR | February 18, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

It's time to harness the excitement we're seeing among Democrats for BOTH amazing candidates and go into November as a unified party. Sign the petition to Howard Dean and the DNC at http://www.16yearplan.com

Posted by: steven4 | February 18, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

i think he probably said "talk good" to sound folksy and appeal to the blue collar workers he was speaking to. or he said it with an ironic grin (showing he was kidding) but that kind of thing gets lost in a plain old transcript.

Posted by: liagoloff | February 18, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clintons Plagerism
John Edwards
And it's all just very personal for me now. I have no idea whether it's politically popular - probably not - it's just what I feel

Hillary Clinton a few weeks later in NH

"This is very personal for me,it's not just political, it's not just public ? I see what's happening. We have to reverse it."

Hillary Clinton "Fired up and Ready to Go"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rweVOO-fhug


Hillary Clinton saying "Yes we will"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRQD-MsSpfI


Hillary Clinton did not write her book "It takes a Village"
http://www.awpwriter.org/magazine/writers/btodd01.htm

Posted by: TennGurl | February 18, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

The Howard Wolfson and Mark Penn team is PRECISELY the reason why I stopped supporting Hillary last summer. They wouldn't know how to tell the truth and stay positive if their lives depended on it. There was NO WAY I was going to support a candidate who surrounded herself with such awful people. It's more than electing a Pres; it's also the administration, and these two would no doubt get prominent posts. Obama's Axelrod, on the other hand, has been a class act all the way. Hope he'll be Obama's Chief of Staff when he's Pres. They've stayed on message and remained as positive as Clinton has allowed them to be.

Posted by: irreverently | February 18, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

By the way, the plagiarism charges aren't about the "I have a dream," etc, they're about the fact that Patrick used them in exactly the same way, in exactly the same context in his 2006 campaign. Silly people. Try reading the articles. Or look up "Just words, Just not Obama's" on youtube.

Posted by: fufu4life | February 18, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

If this the "best" that Hillary and whatsis-face can come up with, that is indeed pathetic. Shows what they have to resort to when they have nothing more authentic to offer. They are just not connecting with the democrat constituency in general. It is my sincere hope that Obama NOT select Hillary as a running mate!! God forbid something should happen... we'd have two whatsis-faces in the White House.

Posted by: wishdr | February 18, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Since when plagerism is reffered to as "barrowing lines" mr. obama. In my daughter's economic class seven kids were failed for barrowing lines from others without naming the source. It is embaressing for a young harvard garaduate to resort in plagerism in order to impress people. This gives me the indication that you probably made your way through harvard by "barrowing lines" as well, right. shame on you. shame on you, shame on you.

Posted by: maheekappus | February 18, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary Clinton gets the nomination, I'm voting for McCain.

Posted by: mutual2 | February 18, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

AMERICA WE NEED TO BE REALISTIC WE CANNOT LIVE ON SPEECHES ALONE PLUS COPIED!!

SENATOR HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON OFFERS SOLUTION!!

VERSUS

SENATOR BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA GIVES SPEECHES WITHOUT SUBSTANCE!

AND AFRAID TO HAVE A DEBATE WITH SENATOR CLINTON IN WISCONSIN.

WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID FOR?

DEBATE IS ONEWAY OF GAUGING OR FINDING OUT WHAT KIND OF CANDIDATE YOU ARE ELECTING FOR PRESIDENT? UNLESS YOU ARE AFRAID THAT VOTERS WILL FIND OUT YOUR WEAK POINT.

AS OF NOW AMERICA IS LOOKING FOR A STRONG LEADER AND EXPERIENCE WHO CAN DELIVER NOT JUST PROMISES! WE CANNOT HAVE ANOTHER GEORGE W. BUSH PART 2. WE CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER MISTAKE IN ELECTING A WRONG PRESIDENT AGAIN!

VOTERS ITS ALL IN YOUR HAND - DON''T BELIEVE IN ALL YOU READ AND HEAR, DON''T BELIEVE ON MEDIA MANIPULATION, SPIN DOCTORS, PUNDITS, POLLSTERS, UNION ENDORSERS, CELEBRITY ENDORSERS, POLITICIAN ENDORSERS.

VOTERS YOU DECIDE - DON''T ANYBODY DECIDE FOR YOU.

YOU ARE THE DECIDING FACTOR AND YOU KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR OUR COUNTRY. THERE'S A LOT AT STAKES HERE. AMERICA CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER BLOW!

DON''T BELIEVE EVERYTHING WHAT THE MEDIA IS FEEDING YOU - THEY ARE VERY BIAS AND MANIPULATORS.

VOTERS MAKE A CONSCIOUS DECISION WHO YOU WANT TO VOTE THAT WILL BEST SERVE OUR COUNTRY FIRST AND FOREMOST.

VOTE WISELY AND PRUDENTLY.

God Bless America!!!!

Posted by: samrlim | February 18, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

We love you Hillary. Keep coming on. If he can't take the heat needs to get out of the fire. We all know Axlerod ran Patrick's campaign in Mass. and what a mess Patrick has made of Mass. These are Axelrod's words. The true mastermind of a campaign based on speeches which go for a feel good vibe rather than substance. Kind of like what a drug addict goes after. Short term pleasure without thoughts of future consequences.

Keep those punches coming....he can't shrug off everything. Now everyone wtil be looking for more instances of using others words for his own gain. I am sure they are out there.

Posted by: dejsw9 | February 18, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton charge of Obama's plagiarism is a bit thin. "I have a dream" and "all men are created equal" are famous statements that are part of the public domain.

Posted by: saelij | February 18, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

very simple to parse this.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Plagiarism
1. the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work.

I'd say that virtually everyone currently running for president in either party has done that... in the last 30 seconds.

This is not news, nor even newsworthy.

Posted by: benstack | February 18, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's problem is that the chickens are coming home to roost. When did she lose this election? When she abused numerous White House workers, when she said unecessarily rude things to FBI agents investigating whitewater when she insulted the security detail looking after her as First Lady. We know you for who you are, Hillary - and we don't like it!

Posted by: Ian.Thompson | February 18, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I live in Massachusetts and voted for Deval Patrick. It scares me that Barak Obama might replicate the pattern of Govenor Patrick. Patrick gave soul-stirring stump speeches in his campaign for governor, but has accomplished nearly nothing in his first year in office, and this is with an overwhelmingly Democratic legislature. Nationally, it's a real gamble hoping that a one term senator who uses other's words can get us out of the Bush/Chenney mess.

Posted by: mark_schuman | February 18, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

If this is plagiarism and is a serious charge and if such a candidate cannot continue their campaign then Hillary would have been the first to be eliminated.
No candidate can campaign if this the rule because whatever words & phrases that make sense is already spoken some where, some time in our history.


Posted by: pk_here | February 18, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I like how he apologizes for not giving him credit in Wisconsin, like it was just that once. He definitely used the same exact lines in Va Beach last sunday.

Phenomenal grammar, by the way. I don't apologize for being able to talk good either. Speaking well, on the other hand...


Posted by: fufu4life | February 18, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Boy, Clinton camp desperate and hypocritical much? I know they've heard of talking points because all their dittoheads say nearly identical statements. Even Bill and Hill say exactly the same things on the stump, verbatim. So is Bill plagiarizing Hill or vice versa? Or maybe it's just that they speak often and think similarly, kind of like Deval Patrick and Obama? Move on, folks. Nothing to see here.

Posted by: irreverently | February 18, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama and Governor Duval have been close political allies. That Obama has used some of Duval's phrases and talking points (many raised in discussions between them) was always publicly acknowledged. As an ordinary citizen, I had read about this shared dynamic a long time ago. One may think of Obama and Duval as co-speechwriters for each other. Duval has said that he revels in Obama's deployment of his phrases. As for Hillary and her surrogates, she/they has/have stolen so many lines from Obama (turn the page, yes, we can/will, etc) that it has raised speculation by some media commentators that she should be hauled up for grand lacerny. When Obama quotes MHK, Pres. Kennedy, FDR, their words are in common circulation, and we quote these words all the time without being accused of plagiarism. Many of us are so very sick and tired of these negative attacks and the panicked old politics of personal destruction. Talk to the issues and stop gaming the public discourse with really dumb desperate negative accusations. Hillary, have you no shame?

Posted by: shirleylim | February 18, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Plagiarism charges? For three lines? From a supporting governor? These are the things Clinton supporters are up in arms about?

If this is motivational tools for the Clinton supporters, let them have it. She's attempting to plagiarize his whole movement. She's trying to run as the candidate for change? Please....her experience argument? Obama has three times as many bills written, co-authored and sponsored in his time in the Senate while she was pre-planning her failed run at the Presidency. Flip-flopping? Hello, she flip-flopped on the war! Flip-flopped on NAFTA. Flip-flopped on Florida and Michigan. Flip-flopped on her own team of support staff and campaigners. The list goes on and on....

I love it, Clinton supporters. Keep bringing the baseless empty arguments...you only make yourselves look more and more foolish, and your candidate is doing a great job putting nails in her own political coffin. A great job unifying the country, Hillary....bang up job.

If this is her experience, she can have it.
OBAMA '08!!!

Posted by: kunanibeach | February 18, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a candidate whose campaign has mostly been exciting and motivating crowds. That's not necessarily bad, but what the Clinton camp is saying (and I have been saying all along) is that there needs to be some substance to those words. Words should only take you so far. But they have seemed to have gotten him the nomination. So the Clinton campaign needs to neutralize this strength of Obama's (and thank God they're trying, because I don't want just a speech giver for a president) and that's what they're allegation of plagiarism is doing.

Obama is emotionally charging folks with what some may say is false hope built only on talk or words.

And come on people, don't lie to yourselves, Obama used an entire segment of Deval's speech almost word for word.

Ridiculous.

I'm on the Clinton's side on this one. And so should every American be - because any one running for president should have to show multi dimensions. And they are attempting to make him to do so - but the media is continuing to protect Obama just like he is tephlon. He seems to be Mr. Untouchable. Don't dare say a bad thing about poor ole Obama. Hmmmm, remember that Bush tactic (got us in a war))))))))))))

Posted by: derrickhemphill | February 18, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

The desperate strategy we're seeing from the Clintons is like being in last 15 seconds of a football game, trailing by 8 pts, on their own 20 yard line. It's called, the "Hail Mary." Oops, now I'm guilty of plagiarism, since that term has been uttered before...

...so sue me!

Posted by: pdxflint | February 18, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"Yes we can". These are NOT Obama's words either. This is from the united farmworkers union and they support Hillary.

Posted by: ragindemo | February 18, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

What a Cheap Shot.
Obama is the best yet in the past 15 years to run for president...Give the guy a break...Hillary has had 16 years of support now she is like a drowning man...clutching to a straw.

Posted by: shamarking2003 | February 18, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

This is 'much to do about nothing'. Oops, who do I attribute that too? I don't want a Clintonian monitor of this site to blurt out dpi2Dan is doing what Obama did. YO!
He did not do anything wrong! Take a chill pill for God's sake!

I was for Clinton before seemingly, petty stupid things like this forced me over to Obama who frankly is better in EVERY way that she is not. Why is the Youth taking an interest? They can relate to what he exposes. Why are all diversities climbing on board? They hear, see and aknowledge that this is just not politics anymore. It is a crusade! A crusade that never in the past was created from nothing to be this tidal wave of hope!

Clintonians...take these words and you know where you can put them.

Posted by: dpi2Dan | February 18, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Do you think maybe Hilary has had anyone write a few lines for her own speeches? I'm sure she doesn't write them all herself. Besides, she's not above "borrowing" Obama's lines if she thinks they're working. Lately, it doesn't seem like she's above anything at all. The lower her polls get, the lower she stoops. She could have come out of this race noble. Instead, she has lost me and so many others.

Posted by: rose_la | February 18, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

What am I missing? 'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.'
'We have nothing to fear but fear itself.' Just words?
'I have a dream'

We all know where all these words came from. What's the big deal???? Obama was just quoting these great men. What's that? 10 words out of 10,000?? Give me a break. Cintonites are so freaking desperate. Sheesh.... get a life!

Posted by: larry_vandemeer | February 18, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton Campaign is in free fall... how pathetic.
How completely pathetic.

Posted by: PulSamsara | February 18, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

The more light that the media shines on Obama the more we see that the emperor has no clothes.
Borrowed lines from a speech-
Flip flopping on a financing pledge-
Paying off super delegates $700,000-
Inadequate health plan coverage-
Lack of experience-
129 present votes-
And so it goes...


For me, Hillary Clinton 2008!!!!

Posted by: FredCDobbs | February 18, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I am a poet and language is free as long as you are not in violation of the copyright of someone else's material. And if someone gives you permission to use that material to enhance on your own there is nothing wrong with it.

Isn't the Clinton camp now using "Yes We Will?" Which is a spinoff from Obama's "Yes We Can?"

Let's not get petty people, let's stay with the real issues!

Posted by: blklovette | February 18, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's got brass, citing Obama for "plagiarism"... she's the one who's been co-opting Obama's and Edwards' messages shamelessly... "change", "turn the page", "yes we can", and even in her acting performance in NH, she tearfully used John Edwards' words "this isn't just politics for me - this is very personal"... Now she's turning around to whack Obama for using some lines from an ally of his. Give us a break, Hillary.

Posted by: b_wythoff | February 18, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I love the reference to 'Clinton, Inc'. She/he/they are despicable and will search for anything to raise the level of cacaphony so as to distract from ... anyone?? THE REAL ISSUES!! Several others made the point about the weak/losing grasping at straws when desparate. We are finally getting someone of substance (OBAMA) and she/he/they are trying to cut him down.
Another bunch of words - WE SHALL OVERCOME!

Posted by: kob789 | February 18, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I honestly can't believe that this subject is getting so much play at this stage of a hotly contested primary. I understand that MSNBC is going to run a special on this subject this evening? OMG. Is Hillary Clinton really THIS desperate? Senator Obama won't debate me for the 19th time in Wisconsin and he borrowed lines from a friend of his in one of his speeches. Let's get real people. I thought Hillary wanted a campaign focussed on the issues!

Plagerism? There is absolutely nothing wrong with borrowing a line or two from a friend and collegue. How is that any worse than reading a speech that you paid some speech writer to write for you. The lines that Senator Obama borrowed from his Massachusettes Governor friend were actually involving quotes from Franklin Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, and Martin Luther King, as I recall. Name me a politician stumping for office, especially for President, who hasn't quoted all of these people before. I seem to recall Hillary "borrowing" some line from at least a couple of these men earlier in this campaign herself.

Senator Obama was absolutely correct in alluding to the fact that others in this campaign have "borrowed" lines from his campaign. For a while, virtually every candidate from both parties adopted "Change" as their theme and their own personal philosophy after Obama's win in Iowa (including Hillary Clinton). She basically plagiarized Senator Obama's Slogan; changing a word to make it her own. Now she is using, "Yes we will" which is clearly stealing from Obama's, "Yes we can". Just yesterday, I read where Hillary is now closing her stump speech with a stolen adaptation of "Fired Up - Ready to Go"; leading the chant, Obama-style to stir up her supporters at campaign rallies. And she dares leveling charges of plagiarism against Senator Obama? GET A LIFE, HILLARY!

Posted by: diksagev | February 18, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton employed a Ghostwriter for her book "It Takes a Village" and didn't acknowledge the writer in any way in the book.
I remember the Washington Post covering that episode.

In light of that history why would she ever jump on Barack Obama for using a couple lines from a friend??

Posted by: jvmurrell | February 18, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Realistically, Obama should step down because plagiarism is a serious charge, one that was also brought against MLK, Jr. and seriously tainted his legacy. Obama has been speaking at college campuses, if a college student did this in a speech or a paper, he would be expelled, no questions asked. As has been mentioned earlier, Biden was forced to drop out of an earlier presidential race due to plagiarism. This story has real legs....developing....

Posted by: Phil6 | February 18, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

The larger issue here is integrity (or lack thereof). A pattern is emerging:

"If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election." - Barack Obama

He is now waffling on this. Why?

Posted by: brigittepj | February 18, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

So far it seems like the commentariat has decided that Obama's use of Patrick's "good lines" is not that big of a deal. But I don't see how it's not. He borrowed a whole rhetorical section of Patrick's speech in a way that made it sound like it was his own. To me that's a pretty lame thing to do. It's also lame when Hillary says she's "fired up and ready to go" or proclaims that "yes, we will." But those are such common expressions that I don't think it's quite as egregious -- as a matter of plagiarism, at least (although, as I said, it's pretty darn lame). Obama borrowed a whole line of argument, and reeled off Patrick's words almost verbatim. I do think it cuts into his authenticity claim. He has (rightfully) mocked Hillary for getting caught planting a question at a rally, but now he's out there using someone else's material. It's an act that would be judged unacceptable in a high school election. Obama should not get a pass on this one.

Posted by: kozmikdj | February 18, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I see, Obama is blamed for using uplifting words while Bill Clinton is busy uplifting skirts and taking $30 million from guys who trade with dictators in Kazahkstan.

No more Clinton's or Bush's trashing our democracy, thank you.

Posted by: Fjet2020 | February 18, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

This is seriously ridiculous! There is a war going on, we are probably into a recession, the country is probably in the worst shape it has been in decades and that's all the Clintons have.
If nothing else, it shows desperation from their part and also the media for devoting much time to it.
Either discuss the issues or stay at home.

Posted by: zahulays | February 18, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Another plagarist.

I wonder if he plagarized in collge too.

Posted by: hhkeller | February 18, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Like a fighter losing in the 12th round, she throws wild punches, hoping something will land.

Enough about the speeches. If Hillary (or anyone else) had such oratory skills, she'd be "finding her voice" all over the place. Obama is so good in that area that Hillary has no choice but to convince the public that good speeches are a sign of shallowness. Good luck with that.

Also, Hillary's latest claim that Obama avoids specifics in favor of rhetoric is itself a vague and generalized slur. What has he been unspecific about? What do we need to hear more of? Energy policy, economics, foreign affairs, health care? If she named an area, people could say, "I remember him talking about that, what does she mean?" With this line of attack she also unwittingly insults more than half of democratic voters so far as gullible dupes who have fallen for his act. The experience issue is a fine one for her to highlight, but this "all hat no cattle" ruse is silly.

Posted by: MShaughn | February 18, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and the Clinton's just make me Sick. What a bunch of liers and scam artists they are! "I never had sex with that women!" - What a shameless person lies to the entire world. If Hillary had any descency, she would have left Bill years ago, but NO she knew all along that one day she would be running for President herself and therefore it was OK to let Bill cheat, lie and God knows what else. Then, the Clinton's are worth 35 Million!? Please explain to me where you came up with that money - Why don't they disclose their Tax Returns for the public to see if they are not hiding something? Every Speak Hillary gives is taken right from Obama himself - what a copy-cat? Even in debates, she always waits for Obama to give his answer, then she repeats word-for-word - then she turns around and accuses Obama for Plagiarism? - WHAT A JOKE?

Posted by: mo_fu_broke | February 18, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I honestly can't believe that this subject is getting so much play at this stage of a hotly contested primary. I understand that MSNBC is going to run a special on this subject this evening?OMG. Is Hillary Clinton really THIS desperate? Senator Obama won't debate me for the 19th time in Wisconsin and he borrowed lines from a friend of his in one of his speeches. Let's get real people. I thought Hillary wanted a campaign focussed on the issues!

Plagerism? There is absolutely nothing wrong with borrowing a line or two from a friend and collegue. How is that any worse than reading a speech that you paid some speech writer to write for you. The lines that Senator Obama borrowed from his Massachusettes Governer friend were actually involving quotes from Franklin Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, and Martin Luther King, as I recall. Name me a politician stumping for office, especially for President, who hasn't quoted all of these people before. I seem to recall Hillary "borrowing" some line from at least a couple of these men earlier in this campaign herself.

Senator Obama was absolutely correct in alluding to the fact that others in this campaign have "borrowed" lines from his campaign. For a while, virtually every candidate from both parties adopted "Change" as their theme and their own personal philosophy after Obama's win in Iowa (including Hillary Clinton). She basically plagerized Senator Obama's Slogan; changing a word to make it her own. Now she is using, "Yes we will" witch is clearly stealing from Obama's, "Yes we can". Just yesterday, I read where Hillary is now closing her stump speech with a stolen adaptation of "Fired Up - Ready to Go"; leading the chant, Obama-style to stir up her supporters at campaign rallies. And she dares leveling charges of plagerism against Senator Obama? GET A LIFE, HILLARY!

Posted by: diksagev | February 18, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Man, I was for Clinton for awhile, but this is over the top. expressing sentiments using "words" is not plagarism. First off, plagarism implies grades, or publishing fees. You are not not "plagarising" if you recite shakespeare in the park. only if you publish it and claim it. Obama is conveying a feeling to a crowd. It's like a rock star announcing every line of a song, and then having to footnote, during the song, parts of the song that are form older songs. Nonsense. If Clinton says "i am not a crook," does that mean she's stealing Nixon's line?????

Posted by: owlk | February 18, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

This goes to INTEGRITY and PROVES that Obama's campaign really is "just words". My two grandchildren laughed when they watched the speeches youtube; they have to submit their essays to an online service that checks for plagiarism, why don't we hold a presidential candidate to the same standard?

Posted by: ragindemo | February 18, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should worry more about whether she can say anything anyone ever WANTS
to plagiarize.

Hillary is not ready for the Presidency, perhaps she could be Secretary of Partial Birth Abortion.

Posted by: JaxMax | February 18, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm really not sure why this is such a big deal. Deval supports Barack, and one of Partick's chief advisors (David Axelrod) is now working for Obama. Patrick himself says he has no problem with it, and that he even encourages it. I'm no fan of Obama's, but Hillary's attacks on this particular matter seem to be a cheap trick to, ironically, do the same thing she has accused Obama of doing all along -- ignoring substantive issues.

mishte hit the nail on the head a couple reponses ago...

Posted by: mtdurand | February 18, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Sticking to the issues would be nice.

Posted by: rfuller24 | February 18, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Inc. is desperate, having exhausted its search through Barack's kindergarten records.

Clinton Inc. can now document and confirm that Obama has plagiarized the 26 letters of the alphabet.

"All of Obama's speeches use the 26 letters of the alphabet!!" a breathless Clinton thug stated.

"And all 26 letters of the alphabet have been used by Hillary before Obam was born!!!"the Clinton Inc. thug concluded.

Posted by: JaxMax | February 18, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

The NYT has Patrick's response, which completely bursts this petty little bubble. Interesting that Clinton has the poor judgment to slam Obama for this the same day she is being slammed for copyright infringement over her YouTube video song (a Jackson 5 rip-off, from what I've heard)

Distraction is a well-known tactic for one who knows he's weak and losing.

Can we please get back to other things? Like the ISSUES?? I don't like the fact that the voters' time keeps getting wasted with all this drivel. We need to get to the point, Mrs. Clinton. If you don't have one, please stop interrupting the process. Thank you.

Posted by: mishte | February 18, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Why does this matter? Because Obama is running his campaign on words! They're not even his. How cheap. What a fraud.
Clinton '08

Posted by: Susan9 | February 18, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama should say, "Mrs. Clinton should not be upset, f Mrs. Clinton ever says something memorable, I will plagiarize it also, to be fair."

Posted by: JaxMax | February 18, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the mud is flying high now. Hillary needs to change the way things are going, thus expect more and more seemingly petty actions like this.

These "charges" have some merit though (nothing like Biden though), yet only if it is a repeated pattern or a blatant instance.

Will this help Hillary, really help her?

Barack vs. Hillary- The Google Effect:
http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=47

Posted by: davidmwe | February 18, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"Talk good" should probably be "speak well". Joe Biden was unable to shrug off these same type of charges in 1988.

Posted by: JakeD | February 18, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

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