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Of Pillows, Protectionism, and That SNL Parody

Sens. Hillary Clinton (N.Y.) and Sen. Barack Obama's (Ill.) argued over each other's proposed health care plans at the Democratic debate Tuesday night at Cleveland State University in Ohio.

By Alec MacGillis
CLEVELAND -- Halfway into the 20th -- and potentially final -- Democratic presidential debate, this much is clear: Hillary Clinton opted to come with a much tougher tone tonight than she did last week in Texas, protectionist sentiment rules the day in Ohio, and Barack Obama takes great umbrage at the notion that his opposition to the Iraq war was "just a speech."

Getting the biggest reaction in the press filing room, though, was the postmodern touch offered by Clinton, who objected to receiving the first question twice in a row at the outset, and invoked a Saturday Night Live skit from last weekend as evidence of a pro-Obama media bias.

"Maybe we should ask Barack if he's comfortable or needs another pillow," she said.

The candidates began their latest back and forth on their health insurance plans, which covered just about the same ground as their past three or eight such debates, except that it ran even longer. Even after 16 minutes, Clinton seemed eager to go even longer in pressing her case that universal health coverage can be achieved only with individual mandates, and that Obama was imperiling a key Democratic goal by criticizing the mandates.

The debate broke some new ground, though, on trade issues, where both Clinton and Obama were prodded into even deeper protectionist territory by Tim Russert, saying they would threaten full withdrawal from NAFTA as a way to amend the agreement. Obama had some help from Russert in holding Clinton to her past positive statements about NAFTA.

There was a fuller airing than in most prior debates on the pair's differences on Iraq. Clinton charged Obama with taking undue credit for opposing the war, noting that he lacked the responsibilities she had when he spoke against the war in 2002 and had voted much the same as she had since joining the Senate. Obama countered with a fuller response on this score than he often has in the past. "My objections to the war in Iraq were not simply a speech," he said, arguing that he was in the midst of a Senate campaign at the time and thus was putting himself at some risk with his opposition. This is not entirely accurate, since his campaign for Senate was only just beginning, and it was clear that he would be pursuing the votes of liberal Illinoisans who could be expected to back his position. But he then went on to deliver a stronger defense than he has in the past of his Iraq votes in the Senate, saying that once the war began and Iraq had fallen into chaos, there were strictures on what Congress could do.

"The fact was this was a big strategic blunder," he said. "Once we had driven the bus into the ditch, there were only so many ways we could get out."

By Web Politics Editor  |  February 26, 2008; 10:17 PM ET
Categories:  Barack Obama , Hillary Rodham Clinton , The Debates  
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Posted by: cdoykpjf gafyjxh | April 16, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Obama's efforts to connect to the Republican Party, specifically Bush, and Dick Chaney, of the Halliburton Company, dates back to the Presidents Grandfather, Prescott Bush, and indeed Chaney was once an executive officer of Halliburton.

The American military pounds Iraq with Artillary, bombs, and the like, destroying large sections of cities, and infra-structures, then Halliburton comes in to rebuild. Halliburton and Halliburton associated companies have raked in ten's of billions.

Obama is just like the BIG HALIBURTAN. Haliburton has contracted to build detention centers in the U.S. similiar to the one in Quantanammo Bay, Cuba. Halliburton does nothing to earn the Two Dollars for each meal an American Serviceman in Iraq eats.

http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/

Halliburton was scheduled to take control of the Dubai Ports in The United Arab Emiirate. The deal was canceled when Bush was unable to affect the transfer of the American Ports.

Now we see what some might suspect as similiar financial escapading from the Democrats.

Two years ago, Iraq's Ministry of Electricity gave a $50 million contract to a start-up security company - Companion- owned by now-indicted businessman (TONY REZKO) Tony Rezko and a onetime Chicago cop, Daniel T. Frawley, to train Iraqi power-plant guards in the United States. An Iraqi leadership change left the deal in limbo. Now the company, Companion Security, is working to revive its contract.
Involved along with Antoin "Tony" Rezco, long time friend and neighbor of Democratic Presidential hopeful Barack Obama, and former cop Daniel T. Frawley, is Aiham Alsammarae. Alsammarae was accused of financial corruption by Iraqi authorities and jailed in Iraq last year before escaping and returning here.

LIKE FATHER LIKE SON --
Recently, Obama's campaign staff have been vetted by the IRS to disclose his connection to the criminal money generating underworld. Besides, his connections to the REZCO MAFIA types, his up-coming tax fraud charges -- Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and disclose Obama's MUSLIM Farrakhan mob connection to Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ. Its minister, and Obama's spiritual adviser, is the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. In 1982, the church launched Trumpet Newsmagazine; Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive editor. Every year, the magazine makes awards in various categories. Last year, it gave the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award to a man it said "truly epitomized greatness." That man is Louis Farrakhan. Farrakhan and Chicago's Trinity United Church are trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. Obama should stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It's time to introduce this false, fake Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke "GLORK" Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek. He is MAD!!! --

OBAM YOU'RE NO JFK --
"GLORK" Obama looks like Alfred E. Newman: "Tales Calculated To Drive You." He is a MUSLIM "Glork" He's MAD!!! Alfred E. Neuman is the fictional mascot of Mad. The face had drifted through American pictography for decades before being claimed by Mad editor Harvey Kurtzman after he spotted it on the bulletin board in the office of Ballantine Books editor Bernard Shir-Cliff, later a contributor to various magazines created by Kurtzman.
Obama needs to disclose why he is a MUSLIM "PATWANG-FWEEE" and stop suppoting our intervention in IRAQ. It's time to introduce this false, fake "GLORK" Xerox - X box Obama and invite the self-indicting thief plagiarizing pipsqueke Xerox - X box to meet the Buffalo "GAZOWNT-GAZIKKA" Police Department Buffalo Creek.

Posted by: jreno2 | February 28, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse


Hillary won the debate because she showed she was must experience and knowledgable. Hillary does get asked the questions first and Obama piggy back off her answers because he has not a clue what's going on. For Example, the successor of Putin, Hillary answered the question and the Obama said Hillary pretty much said everything and then he began talking about Bush looked into Putin's eye and saw his soul...what the hell that has to do with anything. Hillary had to inform him that denoucing Farrakahn's message and rejecting his support are two different things. He finally jumped on the bus and denouced and rejected with the help of Hillary. Oh yes, Hillary won the debate hands down.

Hillary 2008

Posted by: butterfly2 | February 27, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Jake D:

No, I did not see the new thread on McCain slaming Obama...need to check it out. I really do think McCain could eat Obama for breakfast! I think he would have a much harder time with Hillary....of course, based on their shared interests in certain projects over the years, I think it would be a lively debate. People who are personally involved tend to have more to talk about. They each know the ends and outs of each others policy. I feel there is alot of truth in one of the earlier bloggers talking about a staple of Obama's being cotton candy! We will see.....
How do you feel on the response from some out there that say that electing Obama would be like having George Bush in the White House for potentially 8 more years? Curious to know your thoughts......

Posted by: crichardson | February 27, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

crichardson:

Today's LA Times/Bloomberg poll shows John SIDNEY McCain beating BOTH Dem hopefuls -- we have a long way to go until Novemeber -- did you see the new thread about McCain slaming Obama on his Iraq war answer?

Posted by: JakeD | February 27, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

crichardson:

Today's LA Times/Bloomberg poll shows John SIDNEY McCain beating BOTH Dem hopefuls -- we have a long way to go until Novemeber -- did you see the new thread about McCain slaming Obama on his Iraq war answer?

Posted by: JakeD | February 27, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I really disliked the way Tim Russert badgered both candidates to commit to a trade position on TV. It would be stupid for any President to pull out of the NAFTA treaty before even negotiating it. It's time the Meet The Press show went back to a corps of press asking questions, and not just one blowhard who is more concerned with his own ego than getting useful information from his guests.

Posted by: TigerPaw1 | February 27, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Boy, you guys that are calling Hillary "whiney"....you should take a look at some of your comments! Talk about appearing whiney!! Maybe we should all stop whining and intellectually, get our heads on straight. This is not a beauty contest or American Idol! When I read these posts, that is what I think about. You Obama supporters...is this really the person that you want to lead the country? Does he have the experience - really? Do we know everything there is to know about him? Do some of us favor him because he is a man? Do you like being part of a "political movement"? Are we,in fact,so bored with our lives that we are itching to build and join a cult?
As for Hillary, could she lead the country? Does she have the expertise? Don't you think if she is going to be our candidate that she needs to be tough and agressive? Do we want Little Bo Peep and Little Lord Fauntleroy as our nominees? I actually thought the pillow thing was great...she can be tough as nails when she wants to be. And boy, with the shape our country is in right now, you better hope that whoever we elect is strong enough and experienced enough to get us through it. I personally feel like whoever is elected has got a long, hard road ahead of them. As for Clintons tax returns, get real! Is this the issue we are going to make our decision on. Face it, people...the Clintons are very well off. Get over it. Look at what Bill has done in the last eight years...yes, he has profited but so have many charitable organizations. Also, look at what he has done in promoting global repoire. Leave there personal money out of it! I am so sick of that!
I am not trying to be snide here...I will vote Democratic no matter who gets the nod...but I am a Hillary supporter. But, this is not the JFK era over again...actually, we better hope it's not....that was a very unsettled time in our history - Bay of Pigs, Vietnam War, 3 assasinations; an angry place was the world! Now, I must say that at least people were involved, speaking out and making a difference but I also can't help but feel that at times we threw caution to the wind and that may not have served the greater good.
Look, lets all stop being petty! Give these 2 candidates the credit each deserves, but don't make your decision based on a state of mind. Be energetic and enthusiastic, but also, temper your actions with intelligent, unbiased, informed decisions. The media has taken control of this elections and I am so saddened by that.
I give Obama much credit, even though I am still wary of him...but he is a brilliant man and would be a asset to our government. Hillary Clinton is one of the most brilliant women of our time. She is a survivor and she is tough, but there is a whole lot more to Hillary that even we can see...I think if she was the nominee, she would get things done!!! I am adamant about my belief in that fact.
As for McCain, Hillary could handle him. I am so afraid that McCain could "eat Obama for breakfast".
Sorry to be long winded....I am just very passionate about this election.

Posted by: crichardson | February 27, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

You can see the SNL skit (and read a partial transcript) here:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/24/obamas_bffs_with_press_passes.html

Posted by: JakeD | February 27, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I am a DEMOCRAT, but I will never VOTE for Barry HUSSIEN Obama(مدرسة )
I love the pic, Obama with his sucide Bomber belt.

HRC 08

Posted by: ermias.kifle | February 27, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I am a DEMOCRAT, but I will never VOTE for Barry HUSSIEN MADRASA Obama. (مدرسة )

Vote HRC 08

Nadar08

Posted by: ermias.kifle | February 27, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

"Well, can I just point out that in the last several debates, I seem to get the first question all the time," Mrs. Clinton said. "I don't mind, you know, I'll be happy to field them. But I do find it curious. And if anybody saw 'Saturday Night Live,' maybe we should ask Barack if he's comfortable and needs another pillow."

Awww, poor thing. It's just not fair. Okay women of Texas and Ohio, that's your cue. Care to bail Hillary out?

Posted by: katefranklin60 | February 27, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

SNL has been over for about 20 years now! Using a skit from the showed how out of touch and desperate the Clintons are becoming. Hopefully it will be over next week and we can move on with Bush and Cheney's retirement.

Posted by: barnardj1 | February 27, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

gmtiffany:

Perhaps you are unaware that in a debate one side saying he "concedes" on Farrakhan means a point scored for the other side? Those who think Obama won on substance or that it was a draw are not scoring via Oxford Debate rules, that's for sure. I say that as someone who would not vote for Hillary in a
million years.

Posted by: JakeD | February 27, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

dear dan in canada who asks: If a sick child is taken to the hospital in America is money really an issue?


it is not, I have worked as a licensed social worker/advocate in hospitals and in the community for over twenty years and have never heard of anyone being denied medical care for monetary reasons. People have, however, died in emergency rooms due to incompetence and overcrowding. monies are available for catastrophic conditions should one be uninsured, but more attention needs to be paid to maintainence and testing. lest you think our system is base on magnanimousness, however, remember we are the most litigious nation on the planet.
james

Posted by: jganymede | February 27, 2008 6:03 AM | Report abuse

Remember Chris Matthews gets AROUSED when he sees Obama talk. He admitted his knees start wobbling when Obama opens his mouth. MSNBC has become a gutter station. The women of America need to understand how Hillary has been mistreated by the male dominated media..

Posted by: vs_sv | February 27, 2008 5:52 AM | Report abuse

"Maybe we should ask Barack if he's comfortable or needs another pillow," she said.

most of us need pillows when Hillary continues her boring blathering. She could help with the conservation effort by going on television every night at 11 and putting the nation to sleep. the SNL sketch wasn't much of a stretch.

james

Posted by: jganymede | February 27, 2008 5:50 AM | Report abuse

Billary and the whining/tantrums. . . . SHEESH!

Posted by: loved1 | February 27, 2008 2:56 AM | Report abuse

In Canada I elect to pay for the universal health care plan which costs me $44 per month in 2008, as a child, and young adult, it (health care)was paid for by my responsible parents in a Family Plan. It is also discounted for lower incomes and students. Mr. Obamas' ideas sounds similar.
Even for those who do not subscribe I can not imagine anyone being refused medical care nor can I image the fines as Mrs. Clinton suggests.

On this subject the greed of capitalization appears to have trumped compassion and common sense in America.

If a sick child is taken to the hospital in America is money really an issue?

This concept is absolutely foreign to me.

Thank you for your time. Good luck.

Dan in Canada

Posted by: dddupre | February 27, 2008 2:40 AM | Report abuse

The show-down;

Hillary's Personal Alamo:
http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=53

It all comes down to Texas, Ohio aside.

Posted by: davidmwe | February 27, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

SHE CLAIMS TO BE READY ON THE VERY FIRST DAY, HOWEVER SHE JUST PROVED HOW SCARED SHE IS TO BE ASKED THE VERY FIRST QUESTION.

Posted by: hpierre60 | February 27, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Gwen would certainly be appreciated. Nonetheless, Mathews' remark was clearly not meant to be sexist. In addition to the nice Hemingway tie in, most anglers revere the big fish that almost always gets away. Millions of stories are told of the big one. There is, however a very tasteless, sexist, repulsive explanation for how someone might use the remark disparagingly. I find myself incapable of describing that explanation so I will encapsulize it by including a brief attempt at a joke which I had read or heard decades ago as a pre-teen.
The blind man tipped his hat and greeted the fishmonger with a hearty " Good morning miss."

Posted by: culpeppers | February 27, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Actually, the Tina Fey bit on SNL was extremely pro-Hillary. I missed the other one.

Obama wins on substance? Well, if you consider cotton candy a square meal. Looks like he'll win the primary and we will have another 8 years of a Republican in the White House. At least this one will know what he is doing.

Posted by: Chicago1 | February 27, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Who won the MSNBC Democratic Debate in Cleveland Ohio?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1788

.

Posted by: jeffboste | February 27, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Hillary had no direct answers and side stepped left and right.

No explanation for her sudden change in tone 48 hours after the Texas debate. [Check you mailbox, the flyers had been out days before the debate]

No idea how the photo of Obama was released to Drudge, to her knowledge. [Can you say, plausible deniability?]

Promised to create 200,000 jobs in upstate New York and lost 30,000 instead. No she's promising to create 5,000,000 new jobs if elected. [Didn't Hillary criticize Obama for spreading false hope?]

Praised NAFTA in her Senate run but now claims she was always against it even in the Clinton White House. Stammered when asked if she get out NAFTA in six months [..because that would kill her Texas campaign.]

Balked at the idea of being able to produce her tax returns in a week as well as 10,000 pages of other documents when she was first lady. [It's on the top shelf next to White Water, Castle Grande and Travel Gate]

Criticized Obama for wanting to bomb Pakistan to get bin Laden or al Qaeda. Huh? We already have a standing policy to bomb Pakistan if bin Laden is spotted because the Clinton White House failed to kill him when he was spotted by an aerial drone.

The debate showed how erratic and inconsistent Hillary has been on so many points. Hillary, don't go away mad, please, just go away!

Posted by: xmassan | February 27, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Another thing I am sick of with Hillary...when asked about her tax return..she tries to avoid it by talking about her campaign donations...which has nothing to do with the question. She has done this many times in these debates..veers away from what she dont want to answer. But hooray for the questioner..he wouldnt let it drop. Oh and dont think she will come out with her tax forms...it isnt going to happen. Hey you think she wants the average American shmuck to know how much money she has made off of overseas deals and so on.

Posted by: Webster51 | February 27, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

oh -- and Hillary needs to fire whoever keeps handing her those scripted "jokes". The SNL stuff was awful (like the Xerox stuff last week) and really beneath her, particularly with the awkward segue from complaining about getting the first question. That really should be an advantage to her since she was able to immediately bring up healthcare, which she clearly wanted to do.

Posted by: gmtiffany | February 27, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Snide, sarcastic, condescending and angry. Yup. Just what I want in a president. Oh yeah! That's what we've got right NOW.

Hillary - more of the same (but in a pantsuit). Yeah. She "won." In what universe?

Posted by: miraclestudies | February 27, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Yep Hillary is experienced and ready to lead this country...oh did I forget to mention that she didnt even know the name of the new leader of russia? And what an answer becoming of a presidential candidate...mega.megav..whatever. Now who is the experienced candidate. I am sick of her whining...she is like a child that isnt getting her way. And I dont know if anyone noticed her body language...smug and uppidity is what I saw. This woman belongs no where near the presidency.

Posted by: Webster51 | February 27, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Here's how you know that *nothing* really happened in that debate: the folks on this board who supported Hillary before this debate are overwhelmingly convinced that she won. The ones that supported Obama are convinced that he won the debate.

What that means for the Clinton campaign is that it likely wasn't enough to sway many voters not already committed to her. There was no big gaffe by Barack Obama or big punch landed by Hillary Clinton. And when she tried to land a punch (like with the Farrakhan stuff) he was pretty adept at deflecting it.

Posted by: gmtiffany | February 27, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Clearly, someone in Hillary's campaign (maybe the candidate herself?) thinks that, somehow, the Saturday Night Live sketch will prove the turning point in the campaign. Only Colbert can save Obama from the inevitable doom that will follow. Debate was roughly a draw, although the way Hillary tends to barrel over whoever the moderator is (besides Russert, who is pathological in fighting for control) was a major turn-off for me. I can't imagine this debate giving hillary what she needs.

Posted by: priestd | February 27, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Petty....small minded...reactionary...DESPERATE!!! That is what Clinton has become. Not only did she fail to win this debate, she demonstrated for the millionth time what needs to change in POLITICS. Talk about the issues...stop the mudslinging comments. When she started to whine about being asked questions first...I thought to myself..."This is the person people are considering to be the leader of the free world? This is the voice of experience?" She sounded like a petulant 3 yrd old screaming NO FAIR! NO FAIR! So much for experience in world diplomacy!! Try that tactic when you are staring down a hostile foreign leader!

Hillary is out!!! Time for her to step aside and let Obama lead this country to greatness!!

Obama 08!!!

Posted by: Volakis | February 27, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Hey, sorry for all that posting, my computer acted up!

Apologies!

Posted by: hillmannic | February 27, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Elinor---I don't think the fish comment was meant to be sexist. It was in reference to The Old Man and the Sea by Hemingway and the attempt to attain an unreachable goal, in this case, Russert attempting to get Hillary to admit a mistake in her Iraq vote. Maybe silly and clumsy, but I'm a woman, too, and I didn't take it as sexist at all (and honestly, can't see how a woman is like a fish? Did you mean trophy-ism?)

However, in trying to illustrate a comparison, using the term "monkey" and Obama in the same sentence was racist and inappropriate. I get what you were trying to do, but please don't go there! You could have just said "if they would have used a racist metaphor for Obama" rather than spelling it out in such a crude way......yuck.

Posted by: hillmannic | February 27, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

People, wasnt it OBVIOUS? HILLARY WON THE DEBATE. She was far more articulated and experienced than Obama. It is really shameful how the moderators were constantly persecuting her on this debate. She stood up, as an independent, brilliant and compassionate woman. Obama was insecure, nervous and silly. Hillary needs our support in Texas! and she will deliver real change.

Posted by: lozag541 | February 27, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Elinor---I don't think the fish comment was meant to be sexist. It was in reference to The Old Man and the Sea by Hemingway and the attempt to attain an unreachable goal, in this case, Russert attempting to get Hillary to admit a mistake in her Iraq vote. Maybe silly and clumsy, but I'm a woman, too, and I didn't take it as sexist at all (and honestly, can't see how a woman is like a fish? Did you mean trophy-ism?)

However, in trying to illustrate a comparison, using the term "monkey" and Obama in the same sentence was racist and inappropriate. I get what you were trying to do, but please don't go there! You could have just said "if they would have used a racist metaphor for Obama" rather than spelling it out in such a crude way......yuck.

Posted by: hillmannic | February 27, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Elinor---I don't think the fish comment was meant to be sexist. It was in reference to The Old Man and the Sea by Hemingway and the attempt to attain an unreachable goal, in this case, Russert attempting to get Hillary to admit a mistake in her Iraq vote. Maybe silly and clumsy, but I'm a woman, too, and I didn't take it as sexist at all (and honestly, can't see how a woman is like a fish? Did you mean trophy-ism?)

However, in trying to illustrate a comparison, using the term "monkey" and Obama in the same sentence was racist and inappropriate. I get what you were trying to do, but please don't go there! You could have just said "if they would have used a racist metaphor for Obama" rather than spelling it out in such a crude way......yuck.

Posted by: hillmannic | February 27, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Elinor---I don't think the fish comment was meant to be sexist. It was in reference to The Old Man and the Sea by Hemingway and the attempt to attain an unreachable goal, in this case, Russert attempting to get Hillary to admit a mistake in her Iraq vote. Maybe silly and clumsy, but I'm a woman, too, and I didn't take it as sexist at all (and honestly, can't see how a woman is like a fish? Did you mean trophy-ism?)

However, in trying to illustrate a comparison, using the term "monkey" and Obama in the same sentence was racist and inappropriate. I get what you were trying to do, but please don't go there! You could have just said "if they would have used a racist metaphor for Obama" rather than spelling it out in such a crude way......yuck.

Posted by: hillmannic | February 27, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

Obama lost again - I refuse to watch Keith and Chris anymore because of their slants to "His Holiness". I used to watch MSNBC 3 hours a day as a life long Democrat. If Obama runs I will sit this one out. I will not be a part to a coronation by the MSM. We Democrats are proving that Rush, Ann C. and FOX News has been right all along. We should be ashamded with how we are favoring one candiadate over the other. I generally give $2,000 a year to the Democratic party - I make in excess of $150,000 a year and can afford it. Not a penney this time until we live up to our ideals. - Disgusted Democratic Party Member

Posted by: bmcclo6978 | February 27, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Obama lost again - I refuse to watch Keith and Chris anymore because of their slants to "His Holiness". I used to watch MSNBC 3 hours a day as a life long Democrat. If Obama runs I will sit this one out. I will not be a part to a coronation by the MSM. We Democrats are proving that Rush, Ann C. and FOX News has been right all along. We should be ashamded with how we are favoring one candiadate over the other. I generally give $2,000 a year to the Democratic party - I make in excess of $150,000 a year and can afford it. Not a penney this time until we live up to our ideals. - Disgusted Democratic Party Member

Posted by: bmcclo6978 | February 27, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Hillary actually turned red-faced when she was asked about her tax returns. Then she tried to dodge the question and went on that long evasion about campaign donations. She's clearly hiding something.

Posted by: mwfree | February 27, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Obama won. I hope he will also win Texas and Ohio.

There is an irony; any other candidate in Hillary's poll position right now without the last name of BushClinton, would not be given the huge media attention that she still gets daily...

Posted by: saxman_scott | February 27, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Is this an election or a persecution?

Posted by: dcurrieus | February 27, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

"Oh my goodness! Was I the only person who was offended when Sen. Clinton was likened to a big FISH"

Um, probably. I have no idea how that can be twisted into a sexist remark. I'm sure that the Clinton campaign will try to somehow.

Somebody needs to tell Hillary that "Saturday Night Live" is a comedy show -- it is not real. It is extremely bizarre for somebody who is campaigning to be the leader of the free world to be so obsessed by it. Is that all she does -- watch T.V.?

Posted by: ESR1 | February 27, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

"Maybe we should ask Barack if he's comfortable or needs another pillow," she said.

Wow. The thought of releasing someone like this onto the world stage to conduct diplomacy is disturbing. What a petty twit.

Posted by: kcscout423 | February 27, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Draw on the debate...slight lead to Obama on substance, slight lead to Clinton on aggressiveness (which isn't necessarily a positive).

Final result: lacking a positive standout performance, Clinton failed to slow Obama's momentum.

Now, with a week of debating through the press ahead, Clinton's will likely proceed with a "scorched earth" policy.

Analysis: without Clinton scoring overwhelming victories--defined as greater than 15% margins--in both TX and OH, this race is nearing a finish.

Thankfully.

Posted by: eunomian | February 26, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

PEOPLE,

QUIT ALLOWING THE MEDIA TO DECIDE YOUR VOTE

NOT ALL THAT IS REPORTED IS TRUE OR ACCURATE

THIS IS NOT A CONTEST FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT
THIS DECISION IS OUR FUTURE AND THE FUTURE OF OUR CHILDREN

RESEARCH THE FACTS

Posted by: jcarpe5 | February 26, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Oh my goodness! Was I the only person who was offended when Sen. Clinton was likened to a big FISH (..on the deck) by Moderator Chris Mathews to fellow Moderator Tim Russert? Russert agreed with Matthews that he had essentially 'landed the big fish' by getting the NY Sen. to concede that she would retract her "yes" vote on authorizing the Iraq action, if she could.
As a woman, perhaps I am too sensitive on this issue. Let us imagine that Matthews had refered to Obama as a monkey who had been treed by some question. How long would it have taken for the commentators to cry foul? Honestly, I am disgusted at the lack of insight and sensitivity by Matthews and Russert. Can we get Gwen Ifill in the room for just a minute?

Posted by: elinorwalker | February 26, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Being rejected by her own party has Hillary close to a breakdown. Whining like a child about getting the first question; a nasty comment about pillows. She was wound so tight, when she crossed her legs, her jaw snapped open. It's called sex Hillary, try it.

Posted by: gmundenat | February 26, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's claim that she took a political risk with her 'rejecting' an Arab endorsement during her NY senate race is misleading. In New York, and especially after her Arafat blunder at the time, it was THE political move. She HAD to reject it.

Posted by: jstein11211 | February 26, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's claim that her 'rejecting' an Arab endorsement during her NY senate race is misleading. In New York, and especially after her Arafat blunder, she HAD to reject it. It was THE political thing to do.

Posted by: jstein11211 | February 26, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Hillary was snide and divisive. I was particularly offended by her condescending and sarcastic statements about hope and vision. I thought she looked rather desperate as well. I believe that Barack won the debate.

Posted by: jjmckenna | February 26, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad it's over and I hope that Hillary will now step aside. Her tax return is a secret yet she can afford to lend her campaign (herself) 5 million dollars! How can Hillary relate to the average American?
The woman even complained about getting the first question...lol. She had to go negative, it's in her nature. The pillow for Barack? Saturday night live? Give us a break, Hillary! Obama was very respectful and clear in his answers. Hillary tried to bring him down to her level but she failed again. Obama 2008!

Posted by: Debmood | February 26, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

SNL was right on the money as usual!

The post debate analysis by the comedy twins - Keith and Chris: they both went right for Clinton's jugular.

Chris didn't like the health care coverage which he referred to Brigadoon Like. Nice talk for a man with a multi-millon dollar contract with MSNBC and no doubt a gold plated health care plan for he and his family.

How about the millions in this country without coverage? Matthews hits a new low!!

Posted by: FredCDobbs | February 26, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's pretty tough when she's not in the ring with Obama but when her opponent's sitting right there, she wimps out. How would she handle America's enemies?

Posted by: art | February 26, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama won the debate hands down. Hillary was simply not upto the mark and did not come across as presidential. Obama was extremely unflappable and showed the kind of president he would be. And, I like what I saw from him.

Posted by: bugmenot | February 26, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

knew you'd be here.

Why doesn't Sen. Clinton want the voters to see her tax return?
Yeah, she's for the little people for sure.
Just don't ask where she comes up with
5 million dollars for her campaign.

Posted by: bhotchkin | February 26, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I thought Hillary's "pillow" comment was just plain nasty.
Does she think that kind of snide comment works?
Can you IMAGINE, if Obama had made the same comment?
Hillary's head probably would have exploded.


Posted by: julieds | February 26, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Hillary DID NOT win this debate.
What a laugh!

Obama won, hands down.

Posted by: julieds | February 26, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I thought Hillary won this debate too.

Posted by: JakeD | February 26, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

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