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Hillary Clinton's Spitzer Problem


New York Governor Eliot Spitzer addresses the media with his wife Silda Wall Spitzer at his office in New York, March 10, 2008. (Reuters.)

By Peter Baker
For a supporter, New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer sure hasn't done Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton any favors lately.

After all, it was Spitzer who in the view of her advisers started the slide that led her to where she is today, fighting from behind for the Democratic presidential nomination. A question about his proposal to let illegal immigrants get driver's licenses tripped her up in a debate at the end of October and ended 10 months of unquestioned dominance in the nomination race.

Now, his apparent involvement with a prostitution ring has not only distracted from her efforts to take down the front-runner, Sen. Barack Obama, it has brought back unhelpful memories of her own husband's dalliances in office. There on cable television again were pictures of Bill Clinton hugging Monica Lewinsky. And the image of Spitzer's wife standing painfully by his side while he acknowledged unspecified wrongdoing could not help but remind some viewers, and voters, of Hillary Clinton's own stand-by-her-man moment.

How this will all play out remains unclear, of course. Spitzer chose not to step down yesterday in the face of some pretty sordid allegations, much as Bill Clinton resisted calls for his resignation in 1998 after news of his trysts with the onetime White House intern, which can only guarantee that the story will live on for a while, particularly in the hungry vortex of cable television, talk radio and the Internet. It may be that most voters long ago discounted Bill Clinton's infidelities when making their minds up about his wife's qualifications for president. It may be that voters conclude that Spitzer's indiscretions have nothing at all to do with whether Hillary Clinton can effectively serve as president. And it may be that Spitzer ultimately does resign, allowing the political dialogue to move on.

Yet this certainly is not the way Clinton's strategists would have mapped out this week on the campaign trail. They want voters to be thinking about that 3 a.m. phone call in terms of who is ready to handle a crisis in the White House, not in terms of where an unfaithful husband might be catting around town. And, sure enough, the late-night comedians wasted little time linking the Spitzer case to the Clintons. Jay Leno joked last night that Spitzer's scandal "means Hillary Clinton is now only the second angriest woman in the state of New York." David Letterman offered a Top 10 List of excuses Spitzer might cite, including the number one excuse: "I thought Bill Clinton legalized this years ago."

Hillary Clinton was asked about the case late yesterday and, predictably enough, tried to brush it off without comment. "I obviously send my best wishes to the governor and his family," she told reporters. Still, it is hard to imagine that will be the last time she is asked about it. She could hardly want to be there on camera, once again being asked to account for yet another man in her life who can't live up to his marriage vows. And what will Bill Clinton say if and when he is asked to comment?

Spitzer has been a bad-luck charm for Hillary Clinton to this point. His illegal immigrant driver's license proposal arguably became the first time she was thrown off her stride in this campaign. Fairly or not, her muddled answer at a debate in Philadelphia about whether she supported it or not played into a narrative promoted by her opponents that she is more about calculation than principle. That led to a bad patch for her that lasted all the way through the Iowa caucuses. Her advisers pinpoint that inartful two-minute answer as the moment when the race turned.

Now Spitzer may throw her off stride again at a moment she needs to keep her momentum going. And on top of that, even if he does spare her by resigning soon, that has a cost too -- one fewer superdelegate for her at the convention.

Posted at 11:08 AM ET on Mar 11, 2008  | Category:  Morning Cheat Sheet
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God help us if that happens. Oh my bad they took him out.

Posted by: MADRED | April 17, 2008 5:55 PM

My sister told me 2 people can be president at the same time. do you think thats what Bill & Hillary have in mind.....so whoever their vice president is doesn't have a chance unless the both of them were gone.....

Posted by: MADRED | April 17, 2008 5:54 PM

Too cute, trying to tar Hillary with Spitzer's sexual shenanigans. What ever will you do when the next big Obama scandal breaks? It's been percolating on "The Internets" and now the Republicans are getting ready to dump it on the open market. Remember, the sauce you prepare for the goose just might end up drenching the gander instead.

Posted by: MikeinBoston | March 17, 2008 8:09 PM

Didi I get this right? An exert from the article:

"Spitzer has been a bad-luck charm for Hillary Clinton to this point. His illegal immigrant driver's license proposal arguably became the first time she was thrown off her stride in this campaign. Fairly or not, her muddled answer at a debate in Philadelphia about whether she supported it or not played into a narrative promoted by her opponents that she is more about calculation than principle. That led to a bad patch for her that lasted all the way through the Iowa caucuses. Her advisers pinpoint that inartful two-minute answer as the moment when the race turned".

"Now Spitzer may throw her off stride again at a moment she needs to keep her momentum going. And on top of that, even if he does spare her by resigning soon, that has a cost too -- one fewer superdelegate for her at the convention".

"...a narrative promoted by her opponents that she is more about calculation than principle". And what has Hillary done to offset this belief? She has used plenty of tactics, but they ALL lead to the same label--that Clinton will do ANYTHING to win. And what a reminiscent scene, a wife standing by her politically powerful husband caught in infidelity! And you wonder why much of the American population doesn't want to relive the Clinton years.

Posted by: jrev7620042000 | March 12, 2008 10:35 PM

Hillary said Spitzer's licenses-for-illegals proposal "made a lot of sense" in light of the Bush administration's lack of leadership on comprehensive immigration reform. She never endorsed the policy proposal.

Obama, on the other hand, came out fully in support of licenses for illegals. If he gets the Dem nod, he'll be backtracking the whole time and will snap like a generic toothpick.

Posted by: TahoeEditor | March 12, 2008 1:37 PM

Svreader:

Check out the link to your beloveds and Rezko. Hate to burst your bubble (as you would say...the only thing you can say). Hypocrite.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/25/the-rezko-clinton-connection/

HAHA!

Posted by: KAM3 | March 12, 2008 2:57 AM

I too am now suffering from Bush/Clinton fatigue. I like you Hillary, but its time to move on.

Posted by: aronbeezley | March 12, 2008 12:46 AM

Hillary has a Spitzer problem because:

1) Pennsylvania is a big state and she needs Bill's help cover it. However, now everytime Bill shows up everyone's thinking about the Clinton truthfullness. Don't shake your finger and tell me what to beleive.

2) Between Monica, Jennifer Flowers and Paula Jones, Hillary couldn't keep her marriage on track. How can she manage the country?

3) Why didn't Hillary get a divorce, get away from Bill? Is possible Hillary was hurt but not so hurt she didn't see the potential of riding Bill's coattails as far it would take her?

P.S. Sara Bergstein, thank you for sharing what the press doesn't talk about. There's been talk about influence peddling from Saudi Arabia and China. It does make you wonder why Clinton can't seem to get her tax records ready for release but she can afford $5 million for consultants. Pay a CPA from the donut and pizza fund.

Posted by: xmassan | March 11, 2008 11:57 PM

First of all, Hillary rocks. Secondly, I'm having a hard time voting for Obama if he wins the primary. People say the young who voted for Obama and have never had to vote for a president before won't vote for Hillary.

Actually there are polls that say older folks, especially older white women, will never vote for a black man which makes sense. As proven in Mississippi, white southerners just aren't ready to vote for Obama. It's the truth.

Conversely, many men will not vote for a woman, black or white, as the a-holes in the media constantly remind us with their sexist remarks.

Finally, those who say it's not about race and gender are just plain stupid. 90% of blacks vote for Obama. How is that NOT about race? Please spare me the ignorance.

Posted by: twotier97 | March 11, 2008 11:39 PM

Spitzer's campaign slogan in 2006 was that he would be (yup) "Ready On Day One". I do not recall her ever giving him credit for using it... but regardless, I hope, she does not intend to run her office in the same manner.

Bill did.

Posted by: wolfi101 | March 11, 2008 11:01 PM

Posted by: JakeD | March 11, 2008 9:54 PM

SECTION B. Alternates & Vacancies
1. Replacement of Pledged Delegates:
(a) A permanent vacancy occurs when a delegate resigns or dies prior to or during the National
Convention and the alternate replaces the delegate for the remainder of the National Convention. Any
alternate permanently replacing a delegate shall be of the same presidential preference (including
uncommitted status) and gender of the delegate he/she replaces, and to the extent possible shall be from
the same political subdivision within the State as the delegate. The Delegation shall make the selection of
a permanent replacement consistent with this provision.
(b) A temporary vacancy occurs when a delegate is to be absent for a limited period of time
during the National Convention and an alternate temporarily acts in the delegate's place. Any alternate
who temporarily replaces a delegate must be of the same presidential preference (including uncommitted
status) as the delegate he/she replaces, and to the extent possible shall be of the same gender and from the
same political subdivision within the State as the delegate. A delegate temporarily absent from the
Convention may select an alternate consistent with this provision.

Posted by: JakeD | March 11, 2008 9:53 PM

Get rid of Governor Spitzer and bring in a good guy!!! Rudy Giuliani for Governor of New York.

Posted by: irizarryrafael | March 11, 2008 9:38 PM

greatnotion (and anyone else I missed on this topic above):

Does Spitzer lose his "super delegate" status if he resigns?

Posted by: JakeD | March 11, 2008 9:21 PM

It is unfortunate that the private indiscretions have become matters of national concern. Prostitution should be made legal (or permitted) just like in most of the European and Asian countries. After all sex is the most potent sense of life (human beings or animals). At the same time the profession should be regulated to avoid coercion or forcing under aged people. Extra benefit is these people will pay taxes and don't have to live in fear. And also it will be an outlet for people that cannot obtain sex by other means. I am sure this will reduce the incidence of rapes, incests etc.

Besides this, why is Hillary refusing to come out clean and make her tax returns public? There must be something really insidious if she is guarding her returns so passionately. And it is scandalous that Bill has joined hands with all kinds of people peddling his influence, giving speeches through out the world and collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars for each speech. If he is making all this money as a discredited ex-president, can you imagine what he will do as the spouse of a sitting president? And also every one has seen the multiple personalities of Hillary, you never know what she is going to say or do next. One day she is sweet feminine self, and next day she behaves like the legendary Medusa. No, We cannot afford to have a person of this fickle nature to be our president. Obama may have some of his short comings but he is much much better person than Hillary. All these feminists and racists should look at their inner self and do what is best to the country. It should not matter whether the person is black or white, man or woman, sexual orientation. The only thing that should matter is who will make a good president, that is all. All this talk about the 3:00 AM phone call is nothing but rhetoric and self serving. What will Hillary do if she is the president and the red phone by her bed side rings at 3:00 AM? Is she going to press the red button on the other side of the bed launching the missiles? Does she have a plan of what she should do in various scenarios? Every plan should have a back up and and exit plan. Did she think about any of those when she voted for the Iraq war? It was with the premise that Iraq had WMD's and nuclear weapon developing ambition. Did they have a plan of what would be the action if they DO NOT find any weapons? No, they did not have any alternative plan at all. That makes them (including Hillary) a worst kind of General. We don't want her as our commander-in-chief. We want some one that can think with cool head, always try to find a honorable diplomatic solution. this sabre rattling should stop. We need some one that can repair our tarnished image abroad and resoret the past honor and glory.
And shame on you Hillary for the lies and half truths, and wink winks!!

Posted by: kesava2000 | March 11, 2008 9:02 PM

JakeD --

But the the NY State Lieutenant Governor is *already* a superdelegate so either the NY Democratic party elects another "super", or Hillary gets one less delegate.

Posted by: greatnotion | March 11, 2008 8:13 PM

Posted by: shah1000 | March 11, 2008 06:36 PM
Who Wrote:
Something on the side is moral issues. Soliciting and transporting prostitute is illegal in the US.

I'm all for legalizing but until then its illegal. You should be put in jail for that let alone run a public office.
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Yesss...and your point is? I dont disagree at all. What posts are you reading? Not mine, i havent said anything to the contrary

Posted by: feastorafamine | March 11, 2008 6:49 PM

Has any democrat or republican sought more detailed answers from hillary about stories such as:

• Norman Hsu and his bundling of money for hillary campaign?

• How "dishwashers, waiters and others" poured "$1,000 and $2,000 contributions into Clinton's campaign treasury?"

• Bill's trip to Kazakhstan with Canadian magnate, Frank Giustra, that netted Giustra $3 billion and Bill's foundation a $131 million contribution from Giustra?

• How powerful foreign donors to Bill's presidential library, such as the Saudis, may pose a serious conflict of interest to Hillary's foreign policy actions as president?

• How Bill's tangled ties to an investment concern of Clinton friend, Ron Burkle, and it's dealings with Dubai may yet, again, threaten to compromise Hillary Clinton's execution of foreign policy as president?

• The fact that with all of these questionable financial dealings, the Clintons have been unwilling to release their tax returns, especially in light of Hillary Clinton claiming that the $5 million she lent the campaign was "her own money?"

• And, finally, though we, as Democrats, don't care who Bill schtupps (and, no, none of us believe he has kept his fly zipped the last seven years), you can be damn sure the Republicans will be digging hard (no pun intended) to see just what Bill has been up to since leaving office.

Posted by: Sara_Bergstein | March 11, 2008 6:45 PM

feastorafamine:

Something on the side is moral issues. Soliciting and transporting prostitute is illegal in the US.

I'm all for legalizing but until then its illegal. You should be put in jail for that let alone run a public office.

Posted by: shah1000 | March 11, 2008 6:36 PM

wow, most of you dc libs are lightweights.

First off, it won't do HRC any good simply because of all the shenanigans of her husbands administration. We'll all get to re-live it now.

Second, it'll showcase the typical do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do democrat attitude. They all know better than us. His arrogance at that press conference was breath taking. He needs to man-up and do the right thing.

Let's make it simple...He broke the public trust. The public "trusts" an elected official with the power to bring to bear the full weight of the states power against other citizens. The trust is that this person will do right. So for all his railing against prostitution, he was a year long customer. How about laundering money? He used many of the same tactics to try and obscure his activities yet that is what got him in the end.

So we are left with a question: "He lied to his wife and the public. Showed serious lack of judgment managing his affairs. Where else has he lied or used similarly bad judgement?"

That, is why he's toast.

Posted by: hr | March 11, 2008 6:01 PM

TOO BAD ABOUT ELIOT. SEXUAL-EMOTIONAL NEEDS SURE TO CAUSE MANY PEOPLE SERIOUS PROBLEMS.
IF HE WERE REALLY WISE AND IN CONTROL, HE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO HILLARY FOR RELIEF. WOULD HAVE HARDENED THE COMMITMENT. BUT THEN, RENDEZVOUS WOULD HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM.

Posted by: jdavid.welsh | March 11, 2008 5:55 PM

From what we read about CEOs in the papers and tv - they were hiring smart crooks only. Looking at our CEO from Silicon Valley - they are hiring generally insane people as well.

Posted by: titindgp | March 11, 2008 5:52 PM

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 05:30 PM
Wrote:
The self-righteous hypocrisy of Obama supporters that are "shocked, shocked" about Bill Clinton's BJ is usually only seen in closeted gay republicans.

Give the rest of us a break, fellas.

We know that most if not all of you have gotten something on the side at some point in your lives.

If you haven't, its probably because you're so ugly that nobody's offered.

Americans care a lot more about Obama's Cocaine abuse than Bill's BJ.

Watch Obama's numbers drop like a stone when Middle America finds that one out.

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Once again you post the same thing over and over. In your earlier posts you list a bunch of garbage like the Larry Sinclair thing (Who failed the polygraph)and you keep posting this cocaine thing. Obama is HORRIBLE person for being transparent and being honest about trying the drug in his youth. How vile LOL. Accourding to your own logic "Obama's numbers will drop like a stone" when his dirt gets found. I though you already listed all the dirt? Why are the numbers not dropping? If Spitzer can sink like a stone in 15 minutes where is your smoking gun for Obama?
I got news for ya...nobody cares about Bills BJ, nor his "I didnt inhale" nor Obama trying drugs as a youth. Nobody cares about Spitzer being "linked" with Clinton either because its a lame argument. NOBODY cares about any of those things (Or shouldn't) Because again they arent policies. It's just hate hate hate from both Hillary supporters and Obama supporters. Sad indeed.

Posted by: feastorafamine | March 11, 2008 5:48 PM

Something strange is happening. Obama has increased his superdelegate count by 2 a day. Are CNN, Reuters and the Assocaiated Press manufacturing these increases. We need to investigate. Something is really strange when Hillary's number are decreasing by one a day. Is this media bias or reality?

Posted by: sbgamatt | March 11, 2008 5:43 PM

Posted by: svreader
quote:
The real Obama isn't a very nice guy, or a very honest one. He's as crooked a politician as they come and he let his supporters rot in slums while he got rich.

Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Chicago's most respected TV news program.
:end quote
I watched your clip and it doesn't support any of your accusations. There is no connection between Obama and any of the "slum" properties in question other than the fact that some of them happened to be in the State Senator's district. Nor is there any connection of Obama to the $100M that you mention. As usual, you're just slinging unsubstantiated mud.

As far as the property deal is concerned, the *facts* are not that damaging to Obama.

"Feb. 18 (Bloomberg) -- The couple who sold Barack Obama his Chicago home said the Illinois senator's $1.65 million bid ``was the best offer'' and they didn't cut their asking price because a campaign donor bought their adjacent land, according to e-mails between Obama's presidential campaign and the seller....Rezko's wife, Rita, also an Obama donor, bought the adjoining plot in Hyde Park from the couple, Fredric Wondisford and Sally Radovick, for the $625,000 asking price

In January 2006, Rita Rezko sold the Obamas one-sixth of the lot, for $104,500, to expand their yard. She later sold the rest of the land to Michael Sreenan, who said by e-mail yesterday that he bought it in late December 2006 for $575,000."

source:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aR8NLIoQEDc4

Rita Rezko make a quick $54,500 profit on the deal and even made a slight profit on Obama's purchase price, so enough about the Rezko land deal already. There is nothing there that will burn Obama any more than it already has.

I could care less about one of her sleazy, hippocritical political supporters.

The question remains, why doesn't Hillary Clinton release her tax returns. What is she hiding?

Posted by: Absolute_0-K | March 11, 2008 5:41 PM

Tying HRC to Spitzer is just grasping at straws.

The real issue is that HRC is a hard-worker who fights for what she believes in and Obama is a dilettante with a lackluster senatorial record. If you want someone with the experience of Bush and the work ethic of Reagan, then by all means, Obama is your guy.

Posted by: chi-town | March 11, 2008 5:40 PM

Most all the people on here do not know what they are talking about. I worry what is happening to my country. The change most people on here want will send this country in a tailspin. America is not perfect, but it is better than any of the other countries, and you want to send it downhill with Obama. I'm independent, but I could vote for McCain or Hillary because I think they want to keep the values we have enjoyed through the years since 1776. We are not perfect but we are the best ever. Think about it.

Posted by: barefootboy | March 11, 2008 5:38 PM

Eliot Splizer is WHO?
He may be a an orthodox Christian or Jew but not a Muslim? Otherwise, not his family alone but his place of worship might have been researched by the American media!!!!

Posted by: citysoilverizonnet | March 11, 2008 5:36 PM

Hillary's experience - Pass it on

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZNpq_CDIdw&NR=1

Posted by: sbgamatt | March 11, 2008 5:35 PM

Clinton/Spitzer for President. Excellent
Go Hill

Posted by: leslridl | March 11, 2008 5:34 PM

I AM HILLARY CLINTON AND I APPROVE THIS MESSAGE: WE HAVE TO THROW SPITZER UNDER THE BUS QUICKLY BEFORE THIS WAVE ARRIVES IN PENNSYLVANIA.

Posted by: absurdistan2007 | March 11, 2008 5:32 PM

The self-righteous hypocrisy of Obama supporters that are "shocked, shocked" about Bill Clinton's BJ is usually only seen in closeted gay republicans.

Give the rest of us a break, fellas.

We know that most if not all of you have gotten something on the side at some point in your lives.

If you haven't, its probably because you're so ugly that nobody's offered.

Americans care a lot more about Obama's Cocaine abuse than Bill's BJ.

Watch Obama's numbers drop like a stone when Middle America finds that one out.

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 5:30 PM

Yes, by all means LET'S bring back the Lewinsky scandal! After all, if Slick Willy HAD KEPT HIS PANTS ZIPPED, Al Gore would have been president all this time, something would have been done about global warming, bin Laden would possibly have been caught or killed by now, we would still have honor in the world, have the respect of our allies, and the Iraq war never would have happened! One can only wonder WHAT ELSE will happen if Hillary wins. What will happen to Willy? Who will keep him in check? How much would he try to influence her presidency? Will he wear a chastity belt? Clinton should drop out RIGHT NOW, and allay all those fears.

Posted by: archiesboy | March 11, 2008 5:27 PM

Posted by: cherylwilson7911 | March 11, 2008 05:16 PM
Wrote:
Hillary 08, if not then McCain

Haters can keep texting on their blogs and stay home and out of site where they belong, because they sure don't spend time in church. This behavior is unacceptable. We do not need your kind of help, hope or change.
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Yet AGAIN another person who seems more motivated by anger rather than policies. Hillary or nothing? Hillary or MCCAIN??!! Kooky Kooky. Support McCain? then.. how do you feel about the appointment of conservative judges to the bench to overturn Roe V Wade? How do you feel about the Privatization of Social Security? How do you feel about the prospect of a war with Iran? How do you feel about stringing the Iraq war out for years and years on end? How do you feel about even greater corporate and special interest control of our democracy? I could go ON and On with this list. POLICIES people. Stop the Hating and start finding some UNITY. All that being said realize i LOVE Hillary so there is NO bias here. Except if you count that YEs you are right i DO NOT go to church. Sorry i dont need a church for a moral compass. Just a difference of opinion there.

Posted by: feastorafamine | March 11, 2008 5:26 PM

What the hell happened to his face! Is he plastic man? Hillary's buddy.

Posted by: johng1 | March 11, 2008 5:23 PM

Okay, I need to preface this by saying that I am a fervent Obama supporter who believes that he is exactly what this country needs right now. I have also been pretty uniformly disgusted by the campaign Sen. Clinton has run to date. She clearly seems to prefer poisoning Obama's image and seeing McCain win in November so that she can run against him in 2012.

That said... I have to say that this article by Peter Baker is pure insanity (and inanity). This quote in particular sums up either how inane the journalist is, or how little he thinks of the intelligence of his readers:

"It may be that voters conclude that Spitzer's indiscretions have nothing at all to do with whether Hillary Clinton can effectively serve as president."

May be? MAY BE? Golly, I dunno. If I put on my thinking cap and think REAL hard, maybe I'll be able to figure out that Eliot Spitzer's indiscretions with a prostitute have nothing at all to do with how Sen. Clinton would govern as a president. It's a stretch, but on a good day with the wind blowing in the right direction, I might be able to figure that out. Geez, this is what journalism has sunk to these days. And Baker is an experienced WaPo political writer. WTF?

Posted by: B2O2 | March 11, 2008 5:23 PM

to swiming lessons!

Posted by: trace-sc | March 11, 2008 5:17 PM

I have never seen more hatred in an election than by Obama supporters and surrogates. And you try to justify behavior by saying the Hillary campaign is racist and sexist?

If you supporters of Obama are displaying the hope and change that he has talked to you about in speeches, and you cast your vote for this kind of change, then I want no part of it and I don't want my small children to witness it.

You judge Hillary by what her husband did while he was in office. You judge Hillary by her age, you judge her by stating that she is part of old politics, you judge her by what she wears, how she laughs, and her private life. You judge her by a tax return and by some other horny politician's inability to play by the moral rules.

Obama's surrogates and strategists have also stated more hated things on the news shows than anyone else's campaign overall. You can see the hatred in their faces as they speak on TV. Kerry, McCaskill, Ann Rice (especially), Jamal whatever on CNN, Dick Morris, and the list goes on and on.

If this represents turning the page, the Obama is definitely reading from the wrong book. This judgment that all you have cast is not what America seeks.

If writing hateful things in these blogs make you feel like you are playing your part in politics, you are as sad as Obama wants us to think America seems and he is encouraging it. You are embracing the audacity in which he and wife Michelle have brought to this campaign and not the hope. This is not what America seeks.

I would rather have a fighter working for me than a hater ... any time, any year.

Hillary 08, if not then McCain

Haters can keep texting on their blogs and stay home and out of site where they belong, because they sure don't spend time in church. This behavior is unacceptable. We do not need your kind of help, hope or change.

NOBAMA, NO HATE

Posted by: cherylwilson7911 | March 11, 2008 5:16 PM

svreader

LOL. Driving Mr. Daisy!

Posted by: trace-sc | March 11, 2008 5:15 PM

sbgamatt wrote:
"What do the three have in common Governor Jon S. Corzine (D), Governor Ed Rendell (D), Governor Eliot Spitzer (D). They are all superdelegates supporting Hillary Clinton and all of them had extramarital affairs and all are adulterers."


Oh well the, there you have it, proof positive.

You're an idiot.

Posted by: jd-winterbottom | March 11, 2008 5:12 PM

CNN, FOX, MSNBC....More fuel and oxygen,.....please run more clips and show us more of Monica and Bill. We just love Bill. That'll do it. More sympathy for Hillary!!

Posted by: sbgamatt | March 11, 2008 5:12 PM

Ok let me get this straight...
Hillary is a demonic witch.
And Obama is a crook with nothing but words.
And ummmmm these are comments from democrats?
LOL. The hatred is AMAZING. There is little to no POLICY difference between the two. Get over yourselves Hillary haters, get over yourselves Obama bashers. This mud slinging is LAME. Its degrading to both candidates, and it has NOTHING to do with policy. Isn't this what Repubs usually do? Talk about everything/anything but the issues? Ask yourself the following question...IF the candidate you support, either Obama OR Hillary does NOT win the Nomination, who will you support then? Nobody? McCain? Either one of those two answers is simply a product of insanity. Vote for policies; don't get caught up in a heated primary only to become a puff of vapor come time for the general election. Vote for policies, and in turn realize both Hillary and Obama have almost identical policies.

Posted by: feastorafamine | March 11, 2008 5:11 PM

LABC --

You're just making yourself look foolish.

But you are right about one thing.

Its a waste of my time to try to reason with you.

You're in love.

Get a room!!!


Posted by: svreader
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well, svretard/CEO, I am sorry that a busy, successful, well connected guy like yourself doesn't have time to discuss things with me, with your invention of the hottest thing in the market "stuff". And I would count the number of comments made about you, your pathetic, retreaded allegations/lies and I would say that you are not a person to be reasoned with. You have said nothing worth discussing, except that you feel the need to counter your worthless opinions with your "resume".

Posted by: LABC | March 11, 2008 5:09 PM

Bill Clinton on spotlight now. Monica. Monica.


Clinton/Spitzer for PRESIDENT.

Posted by: tariqahmed | March 11, 2008 5:09 PM

Moral character ... blah blah blah!

Posted by: trace-sc | March 11, 2008 5:07 PM

Governor Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania, a Hillary supporter and superdelegate got money from the mob and won't return it. What else is new? Sleaze and slime surround Hillary.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/penn-officials-won-t-part-tainted-cash

Posted by: sbgamatt | March 11, 2008 5:06 PM

trace --

Maybe Teddy can drive Obama home...

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 5:05 PM

You guys hung up on Clinton-Spitzer. For Christ's sake Obama's best buddy is on trial in Chicago on a 12 count indictment. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Obama needs to withdraw , for the good of the party. Clinton had a big lead before he crashed the party. Where is and was his party loyalty then. Hillary can.t win the primary but neither can Obama. She has won most of the big blue states with most of the Super Ds. With all his supposed class he should withdraw and take the VP. Better something than nothing for either.

Posted by: bnw173 | March 11, 2008 5:04 PM

I guess Obamites are thrilled with Ted Keenedy's support for his prohpet having in mind his outstanding role in Chapaquidick!

Posted by: trace-sc | March 11, 2008 5:04 PM

What do the three have in common Governor Jon S. Corzine (D), Governor Ed Rendell (D), Governor Eliot Spitzer (D). They are all superdelegates supporting Hillary Clinton and all of them had extramarital affairs and all are adulterers. I wonder why women voted for Hillary? Is it because of sympathy. It seems that Hillary's Cabinet will consist of adulterers and feminists.

Posted by: sbgamatt | March 11, 2008 5:02 PM

Peter Baker wrote:
"Now, his apparent involvement with a prostitution ring has not only distracted from her efforts to take down the front-runner, Sen. Barack Obama, it has brought back unhelpful memories of her own husband's dalliances in office"

It hasn't distracted her efforts to contrast her credentials with those of Obama. It hasn't brought back painful memories, except perhaps in your mind and in the rest of the press core who loathe her.

You sir, are an unprincipled jerk. You goal is to use this issue to trash a candidate of whom you disapprove. You're gutless.


Posted by: jd-winterbottom | March 11, 2008 5:02 PM

Birds do it, bees do it, Republicans and Democrats do it! To heck with tax returns!

HRC and Obama need to show us their credit card and bank statements along with their telephone logs and email!!!

Posted by: plaza04433 | March 11, 2008 4:52 PM

Eliot Spitzer's conduct should have every bit as much impact on the Democratic primary election as a fake red phone ringing while a little girl is shown sleeping. That is to say, it should not have much impact, but it will have a bit. And when the contest is close--every bit matters.

Posted by: AgathaX | March 11, 2008 4:52 PM

She's got a bigger problem than this -- her inability to discipline surrogates who issue racist, ethnocentric, and religiously charged statements and misstatements.

How come Senator Clinton demands firings, when she won't say much more than "oh people say things they don't mean," or words to that effect.

And while she does that both Senator Obama and Senator McCain, reject and denounce?

Two faced, hypocritical, cynical conduct tolerated by the media successfully cowed by the Clinton campaign in giving the campaign free rides.

Posted by: philcave | March 11, 2008 4:52 PM

This is actually helpful to Hillary b/c it will deflect attention from her and Bill's ridiculous "Obabma for VP" campaign.

Posted by: assface | March 11, 2008 4:51 PM

The self-righteous hypocrisy of Obama supporters that are "shocked, shocked" about Bill Clinton's BJ is usually only seen in closeted gay republicans.

Give the rest of us a break, fellas.

We know that most if not all of you have gotten something on the side at some point in your lives.

If you haven't, its probably because you're so ugly that nobody's offered.

Americans care a lot more about Obama's Cocaine abuse than Bill's BJ.

Watch Obama's numbers drop like a stone when Middle America finds that one out.

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 4:50 PM

What about Geraldine Ferraro's racist comments regarding Sen. Obama.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/11/AR2008031101614.html

Sen. Clinton should denounce, reject, and terminate Geraldine from her campaign but I doubt we'll see that kind of moral consistency from Clinton. Who is Ferraro to talk anyway? She and Mondale were absolutely *CRUSHED* in a record breaking landslide defeat by Reagan. She needs to shut up and just fade away!

Posted by: Absolute_0-K | March 11, 2008 4:47 PM

Mr. Baker,

Today, there isn't much difference between journalism and prostitution!

Posted by: trace-sc | March 11, 2008 4:46 PM

Hillary tell his Wife to stand by her man. After all us voters are not stupid we all realize most of you Politicians are bottom feeders and scum that care nothing about this Nation or its Citizens! The voters only exist to be lied to, manipulated and spun. This man is no worse than You, Mcnut or Obama!

Posted by: american1 | March 11, 2008 4:42 PM

Mr. Baker

You are just a pile of trash and do deserve a place in the toilets!

Posted by: trace-sc | March 11, 2008 4:37 PM

Spitzer's prosecuting prostitution is like Bill's firing his Surgeon General Jocelyn Elders for talking masturbation in sex education. How sad!

Posted by: dummy4peace | March 11, 2008 4:34 PM

I realize New York and the East Coast think they are the center of the universe, but few people know or care who Eliot Spitzer is. He is not a gangster and shakedown artist like Obama's friend Rescko who helped Obama buy his house, that is for sure.

Posted by: Chicago1 | March 11, 2008 4:31 PM

If Hillary is elected president, and Bill in the white house with all those interns and nothing to worry about. It sure would become an American Caligula palace.

Posted by: shah1000 | March 11, 2008 4:31 PM

electress,
don't be foolish.

It is the daughters who are damaged in these two cases and Hillary owed it to Chelsea to leave at the first humiliation.
If you don't think these girls are damaged, do some homework.

Hillary's was and still is an unforgivable decision, just as certainly as Bill is unforgivable.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 11, 2008 4:29 PM

Let me make this perfectly clear, what follows is everything that is Hillary's fault, what she is responsible for:

pimples, lazy people, burnt apple pie, every man who has ever been unfaithful to his wife, menstrual cramps, all wars from the year 1917 until now, poverty, male chauvinism, race riots, anti war protests, pro life rallies, lousy paint jobs, asbestos (can't spell that one) mispelled words, ignorance, any child left behind, using an old telephone in an ad, decaying schools, Hurrican Katrinia (not the aftermath, the actual Hurricane)

and in the interest of allowing others to jump in , please - continue the list so we can all make an informed voting decision

Yes - for Spitzer also because of the New York connection

Posted by: lndlouis | March 11, 2008 4:29 PM

LABC --

You're just making yourself look foolish.

But you are right about one thing.

Its a waste of my time to try to reason with you.

You're in love.

Get a room!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 4:25 PM

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 04:15 PM
Wrote:
Obama won't have a clue without Hillary's homework to copy off of.

The only reason his policies are similar is that he copied hers.

Obama is a "fast follower" not a leader.

He's not Presidential or VP material.


AGAIN i ask the same question over and over. Are you saying you will vote for McCain if Hillary doesnt get the Nom? I do not beleive Obama is a follower (Just look at his anti-stance on the war during his run for Senate. It could have costed him the election given the popularity of the war at the time)However this is still a mute point to me. THe policies are not that different. Are you going to vote for McCain? How do you feel about the appointment of conservative judges to the bench to overturn Roe V Wade? How do you feel about the Privatization of Social Security? How do you feel about the prospect of a war with Iran? How do you feel about string the Iraq war out for years and years on end? How do you feel about even greater corporate and special interest control of our democracy? I could go ON and On with this list. Policies SVreader. How will you vote, for policies or with some heated anger generated by a tough primary election cycle?

Posted by: feastorafamine | March 11, 2008 4:25 PM

Does winning the primaries mean so much to Obama's groupies that they abandon all principle?

How can they even THINK of supporting a man who did what Obama did in Chicago to the poorest of the poor who elected him???

Posted by: svreader
*************************
uhh, svretard/CEO, I think you should be on the cokehead part of your endless, repetitious posts. God, you must bore the s**t out of your *cough* employees in a meeting.

Posted by: LABC | March 11, 2008 4:22 PM

It may be time for a woman to take presidency, but definitely not the wife of Bill. The past has proven that Hillary had no idea how to find him at 3 AM to help her deal with red button phone calls.

Power corrupts people. Spitzer and Bill alike just cannot resist the power on their hand.

Posted by: dummy4peace | March 11, 2008 4:19 PM

There are millions upon millions of men,so many incidents, of men including those in the power houses, who engage in this behavior. They have gotten away with this
for thousands of years.

Why is it that the wife is the one we as a society want to attack, we shatter her,
and when the focus should be on the guilty one, the husband.

I'll tell you one thing, Hillary had little time for self pity. She picked herself up, and she is a much stronger
woman because of it all. You have to give
her some respect for that!

Posted by: electress | March 11, 2008 4:15 PM

feast --

Obama won't have a clue without Hillary's homework to copy off of.

The only reason his policies are similar is that he copied hers.

Obama is a "fast follower" not a leader.

He's not Presidential or VP material.

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 4:15 PM

Posted by: bobbobcat | March 11, 2008 04:03 PM
Wrote:
"...the Dems could offer up a dirty diaper and most likely still win the general election."

-----------------------------------------

That is the exact thinking that has cost us the past two elections.

Again how many times must i say this....there is a 2 to 1 voter turnout in the primaries, through the entire election cycle. I dont care if the Dems lost the last 5 elctions. Math Math Math. Is Mccain going to somehow inspire TWICE his voter base to vote? How? His great speeches? His overwhelming support from the right wing base? (LOL) I am not overconfident here, there is ONE way the Dems could lose. If many of these first time voters, or innactive voters cry like babies because their candidate didnt get the Nomination, then decided NOT to vote or worse, act like brainless babies and vote for McCain, then yes the election would be closer or near the point of peril for Dems. I will say it over and over. Vote for policies. The differences between Hillary and Obama are minimal in that respect.


Posted by: feastorafamine | March 11, 2008 4:14 PM

It is so funny to hear Hillary and her supporters tell people not to be duped and that GOP members are voting for Obama because they think Obama is more easily beatable. That has to be the most asinine thought in the history of mankind. Anyone who knows anything about politics knows that Hillary comes into a general election at a distinct disadvantage because many people simply do not like her. No potential presidential candidate before Hillary has had as many people with a negtive view of her. If anything GOP voters are voting for Obama because they want him bloodied up for the general election.

Posted by: areid45 | March 11, 2008 4:13 PM

Interesting comments.

Why it is if some man can't keep his pants zipped it is some woman's problem?

I get it - choices are important. Bad choice in one part of a person's life could indicate bad choices in other places in a person's life. But come on - how does Hilary fit into this particular equation?

Are you maybe suggesting the Gov consulted Hilary before he made these choices SO she then could make better choices about whether he was an appropriate political associate?

We have such bigger issues. Personally I wonder how is it that some personal indiscretion is worse than something like:
2. The sub-prime crisis perpetrated by the party in office today;or

3. Being manipulated into conducting a war that has now lasted longer than our involvement in any other war to date?

Maybe if guys can't get it together the previous commenter is correct - better to elect a woman.

Posted by: johnsonc77 | March 11, 2008 4:13 PM

Browsing the comments I have to wonder what planet some of the writers are on! Between one-trick-ponies (sorry) and serial deniers (so sorry), this is still one hell of a horse race. I don't personally see how Clinton can possibly survive much longer given the numbers and that she's running not running a 50 state race while the Democratic party operates in all 50 states... The superdelegates come from all 50 and elections for state office are 2 years away. Who wants to support a candidate who ran strong in the big blue states but threw the red and purple ones away?

Posted by: markshepherdstown | March 11, 2008 4:09 PM

Anyway you slice it...Spitzer got caught. That's the thing...HE GOT CAUGHT. So funny how these people go around pointing fingers at others and prosecuting,etc.
Then they go to the Mayflower and throw a party and all of their skeletons are in attendance. He was a man of power who thought he could have his c*^%( and eat it too...lol.

Oh by the way ....What momentum does Hillary have?

Posted by: PolitikalPrincess | March 11, 2008 4:07 PM

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 03:56 PM
Wrote:
feast --

When the phone rings at 3:00am, the last person in the world I want making the decision on what to do about it is Barry Obama.

He wouldn't have a clue what to do.

Fear mongering but fine i will again address it.
I have asked you MANY times in this blog what are the differences in policy between Obama and Clinton? Are you saying that Obama would wake up, answer the phone and make some collasal mistake without consultation? Would Hillary make the same mistake? Do you think McCain would handle the crisis in a manner befitting to your policies and beleifs? Are you cool with McCain getting the call? This is a guy who sings "Bomb Bomb Iran" to the beach Boys tune onstage during his candidacy for President. Want him to take the call? Again you seem to allow an emotional kneejerk reaction to guide your judgement. Instead of looking at the similiar policies between Obama and Clinton, you seem to be content with merely hating Obama. No offense, you seem like a Dem and i respect you on general principle but i wouldnt want you to answer the phone. You seem to be an all or nothing guy, and we have had that for the last 8 years.

Posted by: feastorafamine | March 11, 2008 4:07 PM

Posted by: SeedofChange | March 11, 2008 11:58 AM
Obama's muslim mother and father:

1. Mother married a muslim man who already had multiple wives in Kenya
2. Mother married a second muslim man to help bring up her "only child" after first husband left her
3. Mother moved her "only child" to Indonesia to provide a muslim environment and life style for her only child. Indonesia is the largest muslim country in the world and site of "Bali bombing". Indonesia is a terrorist hot bed.
4. Obama has no record of participating in Christian church activities in his early age
5. Obama has no record of participating in Christian church during college years.
6. Obama has no record of church activities after his graduation
7. Obama started church activities after he decided to run for public office and started participating in voter sign up activities. His church leader is friend with Farrahkhan
8. Obama's relation with Farrahkhan is unknown at this time

Obama can not win a general election


Last I checked our country was founded on:
Church being seperate from State

not , as your post indicates, that you atleast, believe so.

So history of Religious anything is only a plus when dealing with the Neo-Crusaders war we have on our hands. The fact that his history is Islamic is icing. Seeing that the islamic world is exploding with state funded murder and death left and right, maybe its about time we have a leader who can speak the language of the world community. Instead of the 'Blitzkreig ur Oils' clique.

I don't have any use for Farrahkhan, or Fartwell or even the pope for that matter. I will not vote for Hillary because of her Panic --yes PANIC-- during this election. A leader who is in panic is just another sheep in the stampede.

Posted by: chronosex | March 11, 2008 4:06 PM

Its going to be interesting to see how Obama supporters react when they finally learn the truth about the guy they've been supporting.

Right now, they're in denial.

I've posted a link to a news story from Chicago about Obama, Obama's slums, and Rezko, but I'm betting most of Obama's supporters that post on this board haven't even bothered to look at it.

That's a fatal mistake.

The rest of the country will follow the Rezko case with extreme interest, because they will want to know what kind of guy Obama really is.

Once the see the real Obama, they'll never vote for him for any office, ever again.

If he can so coldly screw the poorest of the poor in Chicago, how can we depend on his heart, or his judgement about anything.

People who have know Obama since childhood say the same thing over and over.

The only person Barak Obama has ever cared about is Barak Obama.

He's a super-salesman. Nothing more.

From a character standpoint, he's even worse than Bush.

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 4:06 PM

Spitzer is not a superdelegate because he is governor but because he is a Democratic bigshot. If he resigns the governorship, he remains a superdelegate. Even if he is impeached, that would not change anything. Look at Bill.

Posted by: dunnhaupt | March 11, 2008 4:06 PM

When will all the assorted morons realize that the Muslim argument against Senator Obama is not only NOT playing, it's becoming BORING. All you Archie Bunker types just head on back to Kelsey's bar and let the thinking people of the country worry about the election.

Posted by: lhummer | March 11, 2008 4:05 PM

Hillary doesnt have a problem with the Spitzer situation, her problem is that her primary opponent Mr. Obama has already wrapped up the Democratic nomination. Her problem is trying to get enough superdelegates to hijack the nomination.

Posted by: areid45 | March 11, 2008 4:04 PM

Posted by: davestickler | March 11, 2008 4:03 PM

"...the Dems could offer up a dirty diaper and most likely still win the general election."

-----------------------------------------

That is the exact thinking that has cost us the past two elections.

Posted by: bobbobcat | March 11, 2008 4:03 PM

DON'T BE DUPED!!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very fast.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don't want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care. So they can make more profit for them-self.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama's. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON'T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket now! All democrats need to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton. So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

Fortunately the Clinton's have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton's. Only the Clinton's are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

You should be angry America. "This is not a game" (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith...

Posted by: JackSmith1 | March 11, 2008 4:03 PM

svreader.


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Posted by: treetopflyer | March 11, 2008 4:02 PM

JakeD,

Yes, Paterson is a Clinton supporter. But the thing is that Paterson is already a super delegate on account of being a member of the DNC. He has openly declared that he will support Clinton at the convention.

When Spitzer quits as Governor, he ceases to be a super delegate. Paterson moves up and becomes Governor and thus will be a super delegate for 2 reasons. But no matter how many factors qualify you to be a super delegate, you only get one vote.

And that is why Spitzer's resignation means that Hillary Clinton is losing a delegate.

Posted by: JacksonLanders | March 11, 2008 3:59 PM

Great picture.

Posted by: speedycampbell | March 11, 2008 3:59 PM

Senator Hillary Clinton is a strong candidate. She was not involved on Governor Spitzer's indiscretion. She will survive.
Keep moving forward.

Posted by: mmarii | March 11, 2008 3:59 PM

We have to ask ourselves, even though Bill Clinton was good for the economy, can we really go back to the politics of self-destruction? Isn't it time to have a fresh face, a fresh mind, an uncorrupted one to Washington?

Think about it. We would go back to the same politics of constant rivalry and cat fights with the republicans and nothing will get done in Washington. Do you see how Mrs. Clinton and her staff are treating Obama? The republicans will not buy into that; they will fight back with arms and teeth.

The solution is to get any Clinton out of any presidential ticket and have someone who can re-conciliate the country.

Posted by: urevtyr | March 11, 2008 3:58 PM

Spitzer has given Hillary the ultimate weapon - a situation to blame on McCain!

Posted by: speedycampbell | March 11, 2008 3:58 PM

Spitzer did not trip up HRC over the undocumented immigrant driver's license proposal--rather, HRC is so out of touch with the conservative right's extreme views on immigration, it never occurred to her such a proposal would set off a firestorm.


For all who claim the democrat's nomination race is over--I say, not by a long shot! I'm not a HRC supporter, but even I see the race is far from over.

Michigan and Florida will have "do-overs"; it's just a matter of the states and the DNC working out the logistics and $$$ issues. The votes in these two states will have an impact on the front runner status.

The super-delegates will then weigh in on the matter. Once the super-delegates step into the fray, it will be cut-throat, backroom politics the likes of which we have not seen since the election of 1800.

Posted by: txgall | March 11, 2008 3:57 PM

feast --

When the phone rings at 3:00am, the last person in the world I want making the decision on what to do about it is Barry Obama.

He wouldn't have a clue what to do.

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 3:56 PM


Has anyone asked Mr. Obama what he thinks of Spitzer's problem? Or his own problems? NO!

Mr. Obama DID NOTHING BOLD, CHANGED NOTING AT ALL, PROPOSED NOTHING DIFFERENT, PLAYED POLITICS AS USUAL ALL ALONG HIS WAY TO TODAY.

Mr. Obams is a PHONY.

Here are three great sites that will show you Mr. NObama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU

http://rezkowatch.blogspot.com/2008/02/how-close-were-barack-obama-and-tony.html

Posted by: chrishh | March 11, 2008 3:55 PM

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 03:45 PM
Who Wrote:
All Obama supporters do is attack Hillary for not throwing Bill Clinton under the bus like they try to do to both of them.

Meanwhile, they give Obama a "get out of jail free card" for his repeated use of cocaine and for totally shafting the poorest of the poor in Chicago who voted for him.

Obama supporters never talk about policy issues, because they neither follow or care about them.

Obama and his supporters don't have a strategy for defeating John McCain, their only platform is to dive bomb bird droppings onto the best President since JFK and the finest female statesman of our time.

If Obama gets the nomination, McCain will get the oval office.

Even Obama can't fool all the people all the time!!!


Earth to svreader...
With a voter turnout of nearly 2 to 1 in favor of the Dems through the ENTIRE election cycle, coupled with 8 years of failed conservative politics (And lowest Pres. approval rating in history) the Dems could offer up a dirty diaper and most likely still win the general election.
As for the cocaine, Obama admitted to trying it as a youth, WOW a politician admitted to something! Shocker. Lets crucify him for that right? I for one find this blantant transparancy and honesty UNFORGIVABLE. LOL
He let down the poor people who voted for him? WOW i would think that would be ALL OVER the news as well. We live in the times of 15 minute destruction. Just look at Spitzer for evidence of this. Obama was a community organizer and HELPED a ton of folks. He could have gone on to make tons of dough with his Law degree but instead returned to Chicago and got paid peanutts instead. Strange you mention policies....tell me besides a wrinkle in the mandates within healthcare reform what policy DIFFERENCES exist between Obama and Clinton? Not much really. I find your bias unsettling to say the least. Vote for policies. Does McCain refelct your policies?

Posted by: feastorafamine | March 11, 2008 3:54 PM

We can expect Hillary to make every effort to destroy the reputation of the hooker, castigate the FBI, accuse Republicans who make a comment about the tryst as playing dirty and not, I repeat NOT, make any negative comment about the villain - just like she did for Bill. Hillary has a history of bashing women victims of DOM and claims she stands up for women. She, of course, being the role model!

Posted by: speedycampbell | March 11, 2008 3:54 PM

First off, let me say that I am an Obama supporter. In my opinion, Hillary Clinton does not have a Spitzer problem in the main way the Peter Baker suggested. Spitzer's stupidity has nothing to do with Hillary and any sordid images it may conjure up of past problems the Clinton's had would be wrong.

She does have a superdelegate problem though. I know for a fact that David Patterson is not happy about being drawn into backing Hillary Clinton and is one of those SDs that could very well say one thing a vote another way. When she won NH, he was on the stage with her and was furious that they had called and asked him to be there. He has done the political thing and backed the senator from his state, but privately, he is not a big fan. Despite articles to the contrary, he is not a staunch supporter of Sen. Clinto which could result in one less SD for her. In a race this close, that could be a problem.

Posted by: dtsb | March 11, 2008 3:53 PM

CEOsvreader, isn't time for your afternoon meeting with all your staff to launch the "stuff" phone?

Posted by: LABC | March 11, 2008 3:53 PM

Some dolt said Obama proved himself unelectable!!!
That's clumsy Rovian turnabout...put your weakness onto your opponent full force...

He's got the most votes, most delegates, he's got the best judgement, best speaking abilities, and best shot at appealing to independents (unless those folks happen to support the Iraq war, thankfully they are a small minority). He's capable of authorizing missle-launches at terrorists. He is "not opposed to all wars just dumb wars". That will cause McCain to do some dancing.

Posted by: pdurand | March 11, 2008 3:49 PM

Will be that Hillary is realy experienced?

All people know that Spitzer is a big Clinton's supporter. What will say Clinton now? I have certain that Clinton will deny and will reject your big friend and supporter now. The Clinton are same old politics. They are true hipocrites! They are scandals, scandals, scandals and more scandals...Wake up USA!!!!
Brazil and the World are with Obama to president from USA.

Hugs from Brazil

Posted by: Dalmo1 | March 11, 2008 3:47 PM

I have said it before and i will say it again...
STOP the infighting. Start realizing that your candidate for the Nom MAY lose. Either Obama or Clinton would make a far far better president than McCain. Vote for POLICIES. I am tired of watching Hillary supporters call Obama a good orator but without merit. Tired of listening to Obama supporters call Hillary a demonic witch. Tired of what seems to be a lot of first time voters, who only got off their butts to vote in the first place because they liked ONE person and ONE person only. Cry babies all of you! Whah Whah Whah, my candidate didnt win so now I am not going to vote or even worse for for McCain???? WOW. INSANE. Policies people, realize that even if you hate Hillary, or hate Obama, that their policies best represent your views. For any Dem to consider voting for McCain i ask you this: How do you feel about the appointment of conservative judges to the bench to overturn Roe V Wade? How do you feel about the Privatization of Social Security? How do you feel about the prospect of a war with Iran? How do you feel about string the Iraq war out for years and years on end? How do you feel about even greater corporate and special interest control of our democracy? I could go ON and On with this list. POLICIES people. Stop the Hating and start finding some UNITY. The only way the Dems could lose the general election (Considering 2 to 1 voter turnout for Dems over Repubs) is if any one of you Dems act like babies and choose not to vote if your candidate doesn't get the NOM. Find some unity and insure progressives regain the White House.

Posted by: feastorafamine | March 11, 2008 3:46 PM

All this drivel with Spitzer and Hillary is neither here nor there. I am not voting for Hillary because she voted for the war in Iraq. And secondarily, after listening to the -------- who support her spouting irrational, stupid, untrue, and bigoted statements about Obama, I am convinced that I am with the right group. If you want to talk about issues, fine. But to spew remarks that make you look like a skinhead, then it is on you.

Posted by: richardb1 | March 11, 2008 3:46 PM

JenQ,

I think the question over why Hil never left Bill becomes raised once again. It becomes a question over what really matters to her? Principle: if she the strong independent feminist who doesn't waste time *baking cookies* as she onced proclaimed, she probably should have left her womanizing sexually harrasing husband. Political Gain: staying with Bill because of the political benefits of their sybiotic relationship and looking the other way every time Bill cheated and/or sexually harrased the women on his staff.

Also, I havn't heard/read Obama or his campaign staff even bring this up.

Posted by: clamb1 | March 11, 2008 3:46 PM

Clinton's problem again?

The Washington Post seemed to have trouble finding anybody else's problems. Why didn't you find out W. Bush's Irag problem? His torture problem? His human rights problem? His AWAL problem? His drinking problem?

Or, Obama's NAFTAgate problem? Obama's Iraqi double talk problem? His Rasko problem? His sweetheart real estate deal problem? His Reagan Democrats problem? His large-state problem?

Please give some consideration about your own integrity problem, your fairness problem.

Posted by: gwshening | March 11, 2008 3:45 PM

All Obama supporters do is attack Hillary for not throwing Bill Clinton under the bus like they try to do to both of them.

Meanwhile, they give Obama a "get out of jail free card" for his repeated use of cocaine and for totally shafting the poorest of the poor in Chicago who voted for him.

Obama supporters never talk about policy issues, because they neither follow or care about them.

Obama and his supporters don't have a strategy for defeating John McCain, their only platform is to dive bomb bird droppings onto the best President since JFK and the finest female statesman of our time.

If Obama gets the nomination, McCain will get the oval office.

Even Obama can't fool all the people all the time!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 3:45 PM

Does winning the primaries mean so much to Obama's groupies that they abandon all principle?

How can they even THINK of supporting a man who did what Obama did in Chicago to the poorest of the poor who elected him???

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 3:40 PM

"I believe the current (for now) Lt. Gov. of New York is a staunch Hillary DIANE Clinton supporter too ; )"

JakeD's not too sharp. So much for that 1961 Stanford law degree he keeps gabbing about.

Paterson is already a superdelegate, so Hillary would be down a superdelegate if Spitzer steps down.

Duh.

Posted by: crd203 | March 11, 2008 3:40 PM

To paraphrase Sen. Clinton on whether Obama is a Muslim-

"As far as I know" Hillary is not invloved in the Spitzer ring. That is strictly - "As Far as I know" - now there is stuff I do not know.

Would be really interesting, if this IRS investigation finds donations from Spitzer's "suppliers" to Hillary's campaign. Bet you 10 bucks, she won't give that money back!

Posted by: titindgp | March 11, 2008 3:38 PM

No more sleaze. No more scandal. No more Clintons.

Posted by: JPBrown56 | March 11, 2008 3:37 PM

Obviously the "contributions" here are not screened for literacy, relevance, worthiness.

I am surprised by some of th vile dreck that makes it here.

Posted by: rpmcestmoicoxnet | March 11, 2008 3:37 PM

Senator Clinton got mentioned as a red phone racist in the New York Times today and it seems that her husband and Governor Spitzer have irrational (red phone alert quality) infidelity in common. Maybe Senator Clinton has judgment and character problems.

Posted by: terrybrady | March 11, 2008 3:33 PM

May I humbly remind Mr. Baker that one of Hil surviving Bill's impeachment intact actually struck a sympathetic tone with female voters?

Could it be possible that too much attacking of Hil this week while all of this is going on will actually serve to make her more - not less - sympathetic with these very same women who remember that *none* of what happened with Bill was her fault?

I dunno...I think Camp Obama is playing this completely wrong going on the offensive while the Spitzer stuff is in the news. Just my thoughts.

Posted by: JenQ | March 11, 2008 3:31 PM

Posted by: beerfilmclub | March 11, 2008 3:29 PM

To TAH1:

Obama has proven himself unelectable? I guess that's why he's won more states, delegates and leads in the popular vote. Boy, that's horribly unelectable. I bet Hillary wished she was so unelectable that she had more delegates, led in the popular vote and had won the most states.

Oh, yeah, some of Obama's victories were caucus states. And her husband never did well in a caucus. I'm sorry. She's right. We should void all the results from the caucus states because she didn't win them and Bill Clinton didn't do well in them, either.

Oh, yes, some of the states Obama won were red states. We should void those states. In fact, next primary season only California, NY, NJ, Texas, Fla and Ohio should be allowed to vote because only big states really count.

Oh, but wait, Ohio is a red state. Texas is a red state. Florida is a red state. Perhaps we should void those results as well.

Maybe what we should do is just ask Bill and Hillary who should be the candidate and whatever they decide goes.

Sorry, mate. If Hillary was the best candidate she would be winning.

Posted by: edzo2 | March 11, 2008 3:29 PM

I have to question the fiscal responsibility of an elected official who would spend $5,000 on something he could get for free.

Posted by: saraz1 | March 11, 2008 3:24 PM

I agree - this is irresponsible journalism. People in the press often like to bring up questions in their own minds as thought they're out there in the public at large, when in fact the public doesn't think about them until someone under a deadline who has to come up with something fast raises them. "Don't think of an elephant!" It's just like the opinion piece in the times saying the 3 AM ad wasn't just fear-mongering but racist. Puh-leeze. Don't go universalizing your own anxiety closet.

Spitzer is not Hillary, Hillary is not Spitzer. The connection between Spitzer and Clinton only exists because the media says it does. Kind of like the connection between Peter Baker's Inquisition-like examination of Spitzer and Spitzer's own self-righteousness before he was caught dallying with prostitutes. Hmmmmmmm...

"Don't think of an elephant!"

Posted by: treetopflyer | March 11, 2008 3:22 PM

Sure, everyone will forget about this lowlife hypocrite. Why? Because this is accepted behavior for liberal democrats. Hillary enabled old slick willie's preying for years, for just such a time as this, her own run for the White House.
Sleaze abounds in the democrat party. By the way, all you Clinton supporters get the applictions filled out do your daughters and gand daughters can be White House interns under Willi er Hillary.

Posted by: LarryG62 | March 11, 2008 3:21 PM

Every time there is a sex scandal there will be a replay of Bill Clinton saying, "I did not have sex with that woman." Reminding voters that he did and Hillary's main experience during the Clinton presidency was dealing with Bill's sex with a young intern. Do we want another 4 years of the Clintons and their shady past? I think not.

Posted by: info4 | March 11, 2008 3:20 PM

The Democratic race was over before all this sordid Spitzer news came out, and it remains over. I realize the media likes the idea that Hillary's campaign is afloat and competitive -- it's good for ratings and sales, I'm sure -- but it is simply a fanciful notion. I hate to see any story like this Spitzer mess, but if there's any silver lining, hopefully it's that it will do some little part to push the focus on the presidential race to where it really should be: Obama vs. McCain.

Posted by: aircardinal | March 11, 2008 3:18 PM

This article is a reach that suggests a slow news day. Spitzer will be gone quickly. His crime reflects very badly on him. But it is not a political crime. It will not tarnish any of his political associates. By the time the Democratic convention rolls around, nobody will remember his name. New York is Hillary Clinton's home state and she won it in the primary. Most likely Spitzer's replacement will support her as well. But, in any case, it is not likely that her fate will hang on a single vote.

Posted by: dnjake | March 11, 2008 3:17 PM

Comedians just lost their best lines, You can`t beat the "COMEDY" of the Democrats this election year! Spitzer, Billyary, Hill, all down "Hill!" Can`t wait for the "Realality show with them" and Spitzer the "Elliot Ness" as host. Look out "Hollywood" you`ll be out of bussiness! What a delight to watch.

Posted by: eye_fly_2 | March 11, 2008 3:16 PM

Senator Clinton wouldn't even stand up for herself when she was humiliated before the world. What makes anyone think she would stand up for someone else?

Posted by: visigoth58 | March 11, 2008 3:15 PM

Why is it I'm finding the Obama supporters to at least have some semblance of an argument, and his detractors very little grasp of fact and reality? Haters really should get themselves together before spouting off - you're making your opponents look good.

Anyway, getting to Clinton/Spitzer, my guess is it won't do much, maybe remind a couple people who were seriously on the fence anyway of a less than glorious period a decade ago. I find ericp331's thoughts at the top of the page especially astute. Barring team Hillary's making a mess of this, it shouldn't be much of an issue.

Posted by: BABucher | March 11, 2008 3:13 PM

Do you think Hillary will reject or renounce Spitzer's support??? Because that is important to her right?

Also, if Spitzer is client 9, which client is Bill?

Posted by: clamb1 | March 11, 2008 3:13 PM

svreader, I see how Hillary supports her friends; Hillary got Spitzer and his endorsement off her website faster than a Los Angeles drive-by shooting. What does Hillary do with her ever-compounding image problem? First, it's Bill (after cracking on Tammy Wynette's "Stand By Your Man"), now it's one of her (soon-to-be former) superdelegates. What do you tell your puppet-master to do now?

Posted by: meldupree | March 11, 2008 3:13 PM

Governor Spitzer please do not resign. Hillary needs your superdelegate vote. Stay put unless Hillary rejects and dennouces your support. You should not resign because of the right wing conspiracy.

Posted by: sbgamatt | March 11, 2008 3:12 PM

CNN and Fox. .....more oxygen to the fire. We need more pictures of Bill and Monica. That'll do!!!

Posted by: sbgamatt | March 11, 2008 3:02 PM

Irresponsible journalism to link the two. And to the Obama supporters who say it is anything but, one needs to look in one's own Superdelegate backyard before casting stones.

Ted Kennedy any one?

Posted by: mamiller35Post | March 11, 2008 3:01 PM

Posted by: collacch | March 11, 2008 2:59 PM

Hillary has the ethics to support Bill in his lifetime of mistreatment of women. He is a misogynist supported by an avowed feminist. And you wonder why we find her campaign disingenuous?

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 11, 2008 2:58 PM

Stokes1: You are right, Hillary is surrounded by a bunch of scoundrels, liars and adulterers. I wonder what would her cabinet consist of - womanizers and femisnists?

Posted by: sbgamatt | March 11, 2008 2:57 PM

IF by association Clinton has a Spitzer problem

THEN by association Obaman has a Farrakhon problem

Really? Not unless she both denounces and rejects!!!! She can't win unless super delegates cheat for her.

Posted by: zurch901 | March 11, 2008 2:56 PM

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 02:28 PM
If Obama gets the nomination, its going to wind up being President McCain.

From Obama's repeated use of cocaine, to the guy on the net who accuses Obama of having a homosexual affair with him and has now passed a lie detector test to the fact that Obama let the people who supported him rot in slums, Obama has way too many negatives to get elected.

Republicans were scared of this election turning into a referendum on Bill Clinton vs. George Bush, which Republicans would lose and what will happen if Hillary is the candidate, even though netiher Bill Clinton nor George Bush is running.

The real Obama is a real jerk.
People in Chicago know that already, and the rest of the country will know it soon.

The question is whether the rest of the country will wake up in time.

The real Obama isn't a very nice guy, or a very honest one. He's as crooked a politician as they come and he let his supporters rot in slums while he got rich.

Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Chicago's most respected TV news program.

Earth to svreader...
With a voter turnout of nearly 2 to 1 in favor of the Dems through the ENTIRE election cycle, coupled with 8 years of failed conservative politics (And lowest Pres. approval rating in history) the Dems could offer up a dirty diaper and most likely still win the general election.
As for the cocaine, Obama admitted to trying it as a youth, WOW a politician admitted to something! Shocker. Lets crucify him for that right?
As for Mr. larry Sinclair, get your facts straight..He FAILED the lie detector test. Do a simple Google search before you want to present something as fact. The mainstream media hasnt touched this story because its a joke. See story below
http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/4799
He let people rot in slums? WOW i would think that would be ALL OVER the news as well. We live in the times of 15 minute destruction. Just look at Spitzer for evidence of this. Obama was a community organizer and HELPED a ton of folks. He could have gone on to make tons of dough with his Law degree but instead returned to Chicago and got paid peanutts instead. If you want to have a discussion about policies or FACTS then so be it. We might disagree or agree along those lines but please do some research before posting. As for your youtube video i can find a video on ANY political figure. There is an endless amount of media available to fit any bias. Yours is plain to see...saying all of this I have NO bias except for being a Democrat. Either Hillary Or Obama is a fine choice by me considering the policies of John McCain.

Posted by: feastorafamine | March 11, 2008 2:56 PM

The Democratic Party is toast. It has been split right down the middle. On the one hand we have classic honorable liberals and moderates, black voters, the college educated, and people of faith - Obama supporters. On the other hand, you see illegals, angry feminists left over from the 1960's, liars, cheats, entitlement bums, Geraldine Ferraro, the garbage heap of humanity - Clinton supporters. No self respecting Obama supporter will ever again support *anyone* who sides with the toxic hag. I certainly wont. If Clinton somehow succeeds in stealing the nomination, we will see to it that the Democratic Party is punished across the board. The recent special Congressional election in Illinois showed the sort of poweer we have, the votes we can turn out. Count on us turning against the feminist old guard, against illegals, against the Party in general, if this wretched toxic hag and the hysterical mob she has enlisted are somehow allowed to steal the nomination from Obama. Imagine 1500 to 2000 Obama deligates walking out of the convention, of massive nation wide street protests, of anger boiling over on a level that will make 1968 look like a picnick.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | March 11, 2008 2:55 PM

If Spitzer resigns, and Hillary wins the Presidency, they'll need a new NY Senator, right? Maybe Patterson will appoint Mrs. Spitzer.

Posted by: oldabandonedbeachhouse | March 11, 2008 2:53 PM

The fact that Charley Crist wants a do-over in FL tells you everything about the respective electability of the Dems in the general. Its Obama (because he might win a state of two in the deep south even if he looses OH). Anyway, between Rendell (whose fidelity to his wife was questioned while he was mayor of Philly) and the romantic misjudgments of governor Corzine, this is quite the collection of governors we have here in the old Middle Atlantic.

Posted by: stokes1 | March 11, 2008 2:52 PM

I can't believe the shallowness and downright stupidity shown by some of the comments posted here. First, the fact is that if Eliot Spitzer resigns Hillary will be down one superdelegate, as the current lieutenant governor is already pledged to her.

Second; the crud that is purported to show Obama is a Muslim. Not only is this stupidly wrong, but it constitutes a "so what?". The constitution says there can be no religious test for federal office.

It's time to get real folks and think about the problems that we face in Iraq and with the economy.

Posted by: banshee16 | March 11, 2008 2:52 PM

Eliot Spitzer's story reminds us all very vividly of the sleaze and slime during the Clinton's years. We expect the same old slime and sleaze again in the White House with Bill Clinton as the de facto President. Let us all remind voters in all the remaining primaries of the dangers of voting for the Clinton's. This is something that is going to happen again. Hillary calls it the right wing conspiracy. Voters should be reminded of the ugliness, slime and sleaze of the Clinton years. Voters should be reminded of thugs and criminal who rented the Lincoln bedroom in the Whitehouse. Enough of this dirt. We need a fresh start with Obama. We need a breath of fresh air.

Posted by: sbgamatt | March 11, 2008 2:51 PM

I have long believed that the soul of America is afflicted with a condition, that for lack of better description, I call "as**ole is king". That is that our country (in politics, business, academia, you name it) richly rewards those that are willing to be the least civil, the least honest, and the least ethical. The ascendency of GWB to the presidency is the clearest illustration. In short, our country is run by as**oles.

This reality IMHO makes it nearly impossible for truly decent people to achieve national office. I believe it is the appearance of civility and decency in Senator Obama that has attracted so many to him. His lofty rhetoric is nice, but I wasn't born yesterday. The basic change that he is advocating is that the federal government be run with civility, reason, and to the extent possible, consensus. I believe this approach to governing to be vastly superior to the current approach of lie, demonize, misrepresent, and spin.

I place the possibility of returning decency and civility to the federal government at the top of my list of reasons for supporting Senator Obama. Even if all the horrible innuendos about him that are flung about in these forums proved true, it would make him no worse than his competitors.

Posted by: JoeBewildered | March 11, 2008 2:49 PM

There is a cost to these messy family dramas. Bill Clinton issued the failed missile strike against Bin Laden while embroiled in the Lewinsky investigation. You have to wonder if the world would look differently had he not been distracted. The White House doesn't need any more Clinton family dramas.

Posted by: brooksofsheffield | March 11, 2008 2:49 PM

Hillaru have to be our president.
Baraq Hussein Obama will a be a nice vice-president

Posted by: archdecoyahoocom | March 11, 2008 2:49 PM

There is something Shakespearean in this whole episode, particularly as it relates to Senator Clinton. The last 2 weeks her campaign went negative with innuendoes about Senator Obama's faith, veracity and ability to be President and then wham Governor Spitzer gets caught in a prostitution ring and this sordid tale brings us back to the tale of President Bill Clinton's serial infidelity and the Clinton soap opera.

If Senator Clinton has so much experience and good judgment as she incessantly reminds us, isn't it fair to ask on a personal level how she never figured out or knew or about her husband's serial infidelity that was so obvious to others that knew them. Senator Cliton got all full of herself these last 2 weeks about her alleged experience and judgment and then like a Skakespeare play, the governor of her home state commits the sin of adultery and reckless judgment, reminding us of the Clinton years.

I think there is poetic justice in this world.

Posted by: jovitman | March 11, 2008 2:49 PM

Hillary have to be our President. She is the right person, no doub about it.
Baraq Hussein Obama can be a nive vice-president

Posted by: archdecoyahoocom | March 11, 2008 2:47 PM

I call on Hillary to immediately "repudiate, renounce and REJECT Spitzer's support for his crimes against women. I thought Hillary was big on women's rights -- but she stands idly by while Spitzer's pays for the right to satisfy his fleshly desires with women, violating multiple laws in the process. No surprise though because she stood idly by while Bill use his position and power to engage in sexual activities with a young intern.

Shame on you Hillary!

Posted by: waynewurzer | March 11, 2008 2:47 PM

WHY????????
HILLARY IS NOT SELLING ETHICS
SHE HAS PROVEN ETHICS
AND SHE IS NOT SELLING
ISSUES THAT COULD NOT BE PROVEN

THAT I WOULD LEAVE FOR SAMPLE
OF SOMEBOBY ELSE
THIS IS STORY OF PREACHER OF ETHICS
THAT IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE CAREFULL
WITH POLITICIANS DOBLELIFE

Posted by: storytellers13 | March 11, 2008 2:46 PM

This Eliot sex-gate is a blessing for Hillary. That's why Eliot should not resign. The more CNN, MSNBC and Fox show the clips of Bill Clinton groping Monica's breast outside the May Fair Hotel yeap the same hotel Eliot had his thing, the more it will help Hillary's campaign. More and more women will feel sorry for Hillary and vote for her. It's to Hillary advantage and I won't rule out a conspiracy theory here. The Republicans and The FBI are helping Hillary win the nomination by wire tapping Governor Spitzer.

Posted by: sbgamatt | March 11, 2008 2:45 PM

IF by association Clinton has a Spitzer problem

THEN by association Obaman has a Farrakhon problem

Posted by: lndlouis | March 11, 2008 2:45 PM

The FBI should investigate more on this prostitution ring because l am sure client #10 will be Bill Clinton, if Gov Splitzer is client #9.

Afterall birds of the same feathers flock together.

Posted by: nkgilb | March 11, 2008 2:45 PM

@ccoblas

Mrs. Spitzers has now the same amount of experience compared with mrs. Clinton, but not on the same level. She can run for Governor of New York, not for president.

Posted by: procread | March 11, 2008 2:44 PM

Given the array of freaks, weasels, and lunatics constantly posting incoherent nonsense; why does the Washington Post even bother to maintain a comments section?

Posted by: fyad | March 11, 2008 2:43 PM

Obamans: get off your high horses. Now, how does Clinton's Democratic Party connection to Spitzer compare to Obama's connection to Pastor Wright & Farrakhan? OBAMANS ARE DEEP IN HATRED, DENIAL AND HYPOCRISY!!!

Posted by: frankyrey | March 11, 2008 02:40 PM
*******************
what stage of grief are we in at this point?

Again, if he is all these awful things, why does Clinton want him on her ticket?

Here, hold my saddle...

Posted by: LABC | March 11, 2008 2:43 PM

I can't believe how ugly some of you are... how utterly hateful and counter productive towards moving our country beyond what has been an ugly 20 years in American history...

Be accepting of one another, work for one another, and help us all move forward.

Posted by: villenine | March 11, 2008 2:41 PM

Obamans: get off your high horses. Now, how does Clinton's Democratic Party connection to Spitzer compare to Obama's connection to Pastor Wright & Farrakhan? OBAMANS ARE DEEP IN HATRED, DENIAL AND HYPOCRISY!!!

Posted by: frankyrey | March 11, 2008 2:40 PM

"The real Obama is a real jerk." - And Hillary still wants him as VP?!
The "jerk" may either be Hillary or whoever posted this, or both; but not Obama...

Posted by: titindgp | March 11, 2008 2:40 PM

Personally, I don't think this will help or hinder Hillary in any way. She is too busy plotting and scheming how to win the nomination to let this little story stand in her way.

This primary season is nowhere near over and she will do anything and everything to get the nomination.

I love the great comments on Obama--his drug use, his alleged homosexual affair (WTF???), his slum lord connections, his plotting to overtake the world, etc. They are completely hilarious especially with the over-the-top comments like "When will America WAKE UP?" If those comments are indicators of Hillary (or anyone else's for that matter) campaign....you are welcome to stay in that campaign.

Posted by: pflegel | March 11, 2008 2:39 PM

asja:

You are not including Florida and Michigan in those totals.

rgs_tn:

"DIANE" is Hillary's middle name -- am I being racist" or "sexist" or some other "-ist" using that as well?

Posted by: JakeD | March 11, 2008 2:39 PM

LABC --

You're probably using my stuff right now.

The very though of it brings a smile to my face.
***************************
Yeah, master of universe, I am so sure you are a CEO and people use your "stuff". Because that is what Steve Jobs, Bill Gates and other real CEOs call their brand - "stuff". You're smiling? Did you get your meds in time? Good.

Posted by: LABC | March 11, 2008 2:36 PM

Hillary should stand by Eliot Spitzer. She should not ask for him to resign. As she stood by Slick Willy , she should also support Spitzer. She should not renounce or reject Eliot's support for her either. Eliot Spitzer should not resign. Bill Clinton did not resign even though he was impeached by Congress. Bill Clinton's crime is bigger than Governor Spitzer. When Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas, his security guards were his pimps. Well, we can also expect the same thing when Hillary is President. Her security guards will be pimps for slick Willy. I am sure Bill will be chasing virgin interns in the White House again.

Posted by: sbgamatt | March 11, 2008 2:35 PM

The Clintons should just invite the Spitzers over for dinner and drinks and of course a little wife swapping..........

Posted by: FLvet | March 11, 2008 2:32 PM

LABC --

You're probably using my stuff right now.

The very though of it brings a smile to my face.

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 2:31 PM

Hillary supporters are in denial. They do not recognize that she is in 2nd place, that her staff and supporters are flawed. They are not committed to what is best for the country, for the Democratic Party, or for any one but the Clintons. Her supporters continue to call other Democrats names, and yet fail to explain why it is the highly educated Democrats and our youth who support the "empty suit". Entitlement is not a redeeming quality in anyone.

Posted by: WLHSMom | March 11, 2008 2:29 PM

LABC --

From your post, you seem more like a lunatic.

svretard, is this assessment based on your experience as a "CEO"? I'm not the one sceaming about Obama hating his supporters, listing a bunch of nonsense or bringing up Rezko like a good little soldier. How is your deal with Bill Gates going? Maybe you should call your contacts in Washington to move it along...maybe they can tell you that Senator Obama doesn't wash his hands when he goes to the bathroom.

Posted by: LABC | March 11, 2008 2:29 PM

If Obama gets the nomination, its going to wind up being President McCain.

From Obama's repeated use of cocaine, to the guy on the net who accuses Obama of having a homosexual affair with him and has now passed a lie detector test to the fact that Obama let the people who supported him rot in slums, Obama has way too many negatives to get elected.

Republicans were scared of this election turning into a referendum on Bill Clinton vs. George Bush, which Republicans would lose and what will happen if Hillary is the candidate, even though netiher Bill Clinton nor George Bush is running.

The real Obama is a real jerk.
People in Chicago know that already, and the rest of the country will know it soon.

The question is whether the rest of the country will wake up in time.

The real Obama isn't a very nice guy, or a very honest one. He's as crooked a politician as they come and he let his supporters rot in slums while he got rich.

Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 2:28 PM

To Seedsofchange.

How ignorant can one person be? Have you lived with Obama at any point in his life? How could you possibly know what his religious affiliations have been throughout his life? On top of that, since when is being a Muslim a bad thing? Did you know that there are 6,000,000 practicing Muslims in the US? In fact 21% of the world's population is Muslim and 33% are Christian. I guess they don't matter to you. I guess in your mind they are all terrorists.

Posted by: mharrell | March 11, 2008 2:25 PM

Maybe Spitzer's wife will decide to run for President. After all, the Big Dog's adulterous affair with Monica is the essence of why HRC is where she is today.

Posted by: ccoblas | March 11, 2008 2:24 PM

prostitution = illegal (well, in most states, and certainly across state lines)

consenting adult sex = NOT ILLEGAL

Bill Clinton = NOT SPITZER

Please, this has jack squat to do with Hillary Clinton. Drop the loose comparisons and grow up or the Repubs will just use this to smear the Dem party LATER, regardless of the nominee, like later, meaning NOVEMBER.

Posted by: jack9 | March 11, 2008 2:24 PM

After the constant attacks Obama supporters make on Hillary for standing by Bill, I can't wait for Obama's first sex scandal.

He's a smooth talker and a good looking guy.

Do you Obama-nuts really believe st. Obama has never had sex with anyone but Michelle?

Boy are you in for a rude suprise!

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 2:23 PM

Spitzer's fall which splashed mud on the Clintons will pale when their billionaire supporter and (former) friend Jeffrey Epstein gets his day in prostitution court followed by multiple civil suits from 16 year old girls.

Posted by: bnscientist | March 11, 2008 2:22 PM

Reply to Seed of Change:
Since when did being a Muslim, which Barack Obama is not anyways, prohibit someone from being the President?
Maybe we should examine the moral underpinning of Mr. Eliot Spitzer, who this article is ABOUT more closely.

Posted by: northbetty | March 11, 2008 2:21 PM

LABC --

From your post, you seem more like a lunatic.

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 2:20 PM

nathan.h.abbott: Abramoff? He was elected to which office?

Dumbass ^2

Unfortunately, the Hil camp is right now pleading with Spitzers wife _not_ to divorce him and to stand by her cheating/lying man. If she does the right thing and divorces him, that would bode very poorly for HIl. It would just further demonstrate her marriage of convenience to Willie. Which is the real reason no one wants to see her elected.

Posted by: rahaha | March 11, 2008 2:20 PM

If Spitzer were supporting Obama, we'd be reading about the Clinton campaign telling him that he needs to reject his support.

Where's the denunciation and rejection, Hillary?

Posted by: Charlene-K | March 11, 2008 2:19 PM

svretard writes: "I am a CEO who lives and works in Silicon Valley and have excellent contacts in Washington."

LOL!!!! Yeah, sure you do. And I invented silicon and dug the valley out with my spoon. I personally know every single person in Washington and they all think you are a loser.

You are sounding more shrill and deluded everyday, sv...

Posted by: LABC | March 11, 2008 2:19 PM

Posted by: SeedofChange | March 11, 2008 11:58 AM
Obama's muslim mother and father:

1. Mother married a muslim man who already had multiple wives in Kenya
2. Mother married a second muslim man to help bring up her "only child" after first husband left her
3. Mother moved her "only child" to Indonesia to provide a muslim environment and life style for her only child. Indonesia is the largest muslim country in the world and site of "Bali bombing". Indonesia is a terrorist hot bed.
4. Obama has no record of participating in Christian church activities in his early age
5. Obama has no record of participating in Christian church during college years.
6. Obama has no record of church activities after his graduation
7. Obama started church activities after he decided to run for public office and started participating in voter sign up activities. His church leader is friend with Farrahkhan
8. Obama's relation with Farrahkhan is unknown at this time

Obama can not win a general election.


What? LOL. Pathetic. Not even the GOP is peddling this hogwash. Get a life and do some real research, instead of collecting your bumper sticker propaganda. Whats next Obama is a commie for not wearing a flag lapel pin? Please for Gods sake just stick to facts and truth. Dislike him or ridicule him for policies or something substanative. At least then we can have an honest discussion as opposed to a short cut to thinking.

Posted by: feastorafamine | March 11, 2008 2:19 PM

Drivers licenses for ILLEGAL immigrants?? What kind of bozo IS this guy? That should have been a clue to his demented morality.
Impeachment and IMPRISONMENT is the only solution for this horrid type of illegal activity and corruption. What a slime ball.
This has nothing to do with being a democrat. Is has to do with a total lack of morality and respect for women.

Posted by: northbetty | March 11, 2008 2:18 PM

joe --

Most, but not all ;-)

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 2:17 PM

Too much stuff for the right to brainwash americans on Clinton and Obama...McCain wins...Game over!

Posted by: terrill | March 11, 2008 2:17 PM

Gee whiz, this is really such a shame for Hillary.

Posted by: richardb1 | March 11, 2008 2:16 PM

"Obama's a world class jerk and so are most of his supporters".

Good luck winning people over with that line.

Posted by: JoeBewildered | March 11, 2008 2:15 PM

HILARY HAS FOUND HER RUNNING MATE IN SILDA WALL!!!!!

(Well if Silda decides not to divorce her hubby to run the next election!).

Posted by: chowdhury.zahid | March 11, 2008 2:15 PM

It's over already for Hillary; she just won't admit it. As Bill handed his head to the Republicans on a platter when caught fooling around with that young female intern, Mrs. Clinton all but handed the election over to Senator McCain by stating that he was better qualified to act as commander in chief than her rival, Mr. Obama.

An act of despiration, and not the conduct of a candidate who seeks her party's endorsement for President of the United States. Thus, we the people may be in for four more years of Republican blundering and arogant behavior. God hlep us!

Posted by: scottshot | March 11, 2008 2:15 PM

SeedofChange - You are a liar, and you know it. Obama joined his church at least 8 years before he ever ran for office. He has *no* relationship with Farrakhan, and has publicly rejected *and* denounced him for his racist views.

Posted by: HowardsJohnson |
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Hey, Howard:
seedless is just a tool (in every sense of the word) for the racist websites and blogs strategy - since they are being monitored by several organizations who work with the FBI, they cannot all out advocate harming him. What they are doing instead is spreading falsehoods via emails and some blogs. As the monitors note, these attacks by dupes like seedless are an attempt to demonize Obama and encourage others to take action. They are also monitoring public boards like these as these racist sites encourage "spreading the word." It is sad, in this day and age, but the internet is a weapon as well as a tool.

Posted by: LABC | March 11, 2008 2:13 PM

Rather ironic for someone labeling Clinton supporters for spreading innuendo, to then do exactly that. How about some links to European press sources?

Posted by: hitpoints | March 11, 2008 2:13 PM

Hillary does not have a "Spitzer" problem.

This game is OVER.

Hillary has proven she can win big in the big states that are the must wins for the Dems in November.

Obama has proven himself UNELECTABLE.

Posted by: TAH1 | March 11, 2008 11:27 AM
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So by winning more states, more votes, and more delegates than Clinton Obama has proven himself un-electable? OK, if you say so.
I say Hillary has proven she only has the support of the mentally handicapped and the career criminals and that's not enough to get her elected. All she can do now is get John McCain elected.

Posted by: eco-pharm | March 11, 2008 2:12 PM

OK; so Spitzer paid a hooker 4300, she must have been fantastic, SO What... How many males here, if they could afford it, would not have. Does having sex with a woman make you unfit to govern?

Posted by: ashruff | March 11, 2008 2:11 PM

I have read many of the posted comments from the many Hillary Haters. Sad to say, the Haters always take every opportunity to rage against her? They are afflicted with a mental problem that is apparently incurable? And since they all proclaim to be Obama supporters, it appears many of Obama supporters are also "mental" cases! I believe most of his supporters think he can win in America? False, America is not likely to vote for a black man for president. No matter how fundamentally wrong McCain is for America. It's called "Racism"! America is Racist! They always were, and will be for a long time to come. In the same way they are puritanical, hypocritical, and condemning of any one who is not of the same cloth as themselves, they will not elect Obama!!

Posted by: charmenone1 | March 11, 2008 2:07 PM

mibrooks --

Like all Obama supporters you viciously attack anyone who doesn't worship him as a god.

Like all Obama supporters, you lie as easily as you breathe.

I am a man. I support Clinton because she's worlds better than Obama.

I am a CEO who lives and works in Silicon Valley and have excellent contacts in Washington.

They all say the same things about Obama.

He's an egotistical jerk with a messiah complex.

Just like Bush.

Obama totally screwed over the poorest of the poor in Chicago who voted for him.

He funneled $100M to his buddy Rezko while the people who voted for him rotted in slums.

Obama's a world-class jerk and so are most of his supporters.

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 2:07 PM

Human failings are painful to watch. The dinasaur political class apparently has other things on their minds than governing to solve our state and national problems, needds and goals.

They operate from personal desire, greed, and ambition.

Hillary IS the dinasaur political class' president.

That's why an honorable and ethical President Obama would be so refreshing, and why we need to support and vote for massive changes in how business is conducted in DC.

Vote Obama for President!

Posted by: onestring | March 11, 2008 2:03 PM

How does having been a POW qualify you for President? Another President with another secret ax to grind? A war hero is not what this country needs, it is in desperate need of a Peace Hero. How much peace do you think this country will have with McCain ... running primarily as a military President, Commander and Chief? What do you think he's going to do in the White House, sit around twiddling his thumbs? I don't think so. Some how I see him wanting to play with tanks and soldiers and air craft carriers. Buyer beware.

Posted by: ac11 | March 11, 2008 2:03 PM

I see the "energizer bunny" of smear is here. Why is it that all of Clinton's supporters resort to racist remarks, innuendo and outright lies? Why is it that the Post, especially after long exposure to these toxic fools, even allows them to be published? We don't know if svreader is a man or a woman, a lesbian or whatever...he/she/it has claimed to be all of those things at various times, on various posts. What we do know, is that svreader is a Clinton hack lacking any sort of morals, a sociopath much like the "toxic hag" it worships like some loyal dog.

Gov. Spitzer is just the tip of the ice burg here. There have been reports, at least in the European press, that "Bubba's" name and voice are in the files on this. Washington is awash with reliable information that **A LARGE NUMBER** of senior Clinton staffers and elected supporters have their voices on tape and the fed's have id'd them. Now, I don't want to wait until after the nomination tpo know that, I want to know it NOW. I also want to know how the Cltinon's got their money - release those tax returns, where the laundered campaign contributions to her campaign came from (no one believes thousands of immigrants from India and China, working as minimum wage dishers, all gave $2300 donations to the Clinton campaign - the LA-Times has traced that monye back to the *government* of India and China and to enormous companies in those countries), where the "donations" to the Presidential library came from, how much money she and Bill got from corporations for providing outsourcing services and tens of thousands of Indian H1-B workers. And, while we're at it, lets actual demand to know about the missing White House records, the money that changed hands for those last minute pardons by the Clinton White House, and on and on. The fact is, Hillary Clinton is the single most corrupt politician in modern history. Her history of misusing government powers to award friends and punbish enemies ought to disqualify her from being dog catcher, mcuh less a U.S. Senator. Nominating her as President would mark the end of the Democratic Party. But, of course, the Clinton's and the idiots supporting them all know that. I wonder what they're really up to?

Posted by: mibrooks27 | March 11, 2008 2:02 PM

As usual today the Post is full of all the problems that Clinton has without a single story with regard to any problems that Obama may have with regard to being President. Shall we offer him another pillow?

Posted by: politicalobserver1 | March 11, 2008 2:01 PM

While I think losing White House emails, outing a CIA agent, torture and lying about reasons for starting an unnecessary and costly war are worse crimes than seeking the services of a prostitute, and I don't know how this will play for Hillary, but it is hardly irrelevant. One can't see that news conference and not be reminded of the soap opera the Clinton presidency became. I'm mad at Spitzer in the same way I was and still am mad at Clinton, not because I am the morality police, but because they both knew there were bigger fish to fry and they both knew they had serious enemies and they both let their own weaknesses take a lot of people down. Clinton set us back as a country with his little zipper problem in the same way Spitzer has hurt the good people of New York who voted for him in unprecedented numbers.

How any man can get national security clearance is beyond me.

Posted by: SarahBB | March 11, 2008 2:00 PM

The secret weapon that Hillary can't talk about but voters know is there is Bill.

Bill Clinton was the best President since JFK.

He turned a Republican deficit into a Democratic surplus.

Hillary and Bill have worked as a team since the beginning of Bill's career.

For high achievement professional men that's more often the case than not.

The NYT tried to be polite, but the bottom line is that the only thing special about Obama is his ethnicity.

Obama has done very little in the Senate and has a very poor reputation there.

Obama supporters are in love with the idea of "Obama" but know nothing about what a jerk Obama really is.

He's arrogant, self-centered, and doesn't care about anyone but himself.

He laughs at his own supporters.

From a character standpoint, he's even worse than Bush.

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 1:59 PM

"Eliot Spitzer's story reminds us all of the sleaze and slime during the Clinton's years."

Why? Why doesn't it remind you instead of Jimmy Swaggart, or Larry Craig, or Ted Haggard, or any number of prominent people caught in a sex scandal?

And Obama people like to compare BHO to JFK. Why doesn't John Kennedy's philandering remind them of Bill Clinton, hmm?

Posted by: hitpoints | March 11, 2008 1:59 PM

Attention: Sen Hillary Clinton has opened up a new testing center for the "Commander in Chief" test. She conducts the test herself, she is the examiner as well. A number of pre-qualifications apply. Following is a sample:
1. You have to be the spouse of a former president so that by virtue of doing nothing, you can feel and be important.
2. You must be able to take the phone call at 3am in the morning to know that your promiscuous spouse was found unconscious with a blue dress beside him, in a DC hotel room.
3. You must show that you can cajole former criminals into donating huge amounts to your campaign in exchange for a presidential pardon
4. You must be able to sit on the board of the worst employers of the planet and espouse your support for underpaid, overworked workers.
5. You must be able to raise gazillions from all kinds of lobbyists, then raise your rhetoric against lobbyists, and finally meet behind closed doors with those lobbyists to hammer out sweet deals for them.
6. You should not be ashamed of sending our military to a war without any cause whatsoever; you should not apologize to those mothers who have lost their sons and daughters, for your responsibility in voting for such a war.
And a ton more....

Problem is there is only one person who fits the bill. No wonder Sen. Obama doesn't qualify!

Posted by: titindgp | March 11, 2008 1:59 PM

The problem with the Lt. Gov. being a Hillary supporter, delegate-wise, is that he is already a superdelegate as a DNC member. He cannot vote twice... so if he takes over as Governor, he loses that DNC vote.

It's certainly possible the DNC would give the then-open at-large superdelegate slot to a Hillary supporter, but if they do not fill it (or if it were to go to an Obama supporter--not all that likely), then yes, Spitzer represents a loss of a superdelegate for Hillary.

Posted by: exerda | March 11, 2008 1:59 PM

While I agree that this episode does not concern Hillary, it has been Hillary supporters who have been vociferously advancing the "guilt by association" argument against Obama (Rezko, Rev Wright, Farrakhan). As such, I find it highly likely that she will be repeatedly forced to answer for this. Hoisted by her own pitard, eh svreader?

Posted by: JoeBewildered | March 11, 2008 1:59 PM

"Voters should be reminded of thugs and criminal who rented the Lincoln bedroom in the Whitehouse. Enough of this dirt. We need a fresh start with Obama. We need a breath of fresh air."

Yes. Oh my YES. Much better to have a corrupt "Fixer" whom is backed by a convicted Iraqi thug than to leave the possibility of sexual dalliance open.

What exactly does this say about the importance of issues? I mean if BC gets some on the side well that will most likely not effect me. On the other hand (no pun intended) if a convicted Iraqi criminal gets to indirectly finance wonder boy's house that could very much affect me. I'll stick with the former rather than the latter.

Posted by: RetCombatVet | March 11, 2008 1:58 PM

The following story is tied into Cinton not releasing her tax returns. As well as Bill making multi million dollar deals in Kazikstan with the Russians (on behalf of a Canadian)for his library. Consulting for the Prince of Saudi Arabia(more major $$$$) over getting around US laws concerning US ports. We all know how expert both Clintons are at getting around the law. These "deals" Bill made are against US foreign policy. Wake up America!!!Before it's too late.


While Hillary Clinton battles Barack Obama on the campaign trail, a judge in Los Angeles is quietly preparing to set a trial date in a $17 million fraud suit that aims to expose an alleged culture of widespread corruption by the Clintons and the Democratic Party.
At the conclusion of a hearing tomorrow morning before California Superior Court Judge Aurelio N. Munoz, lawyers for Hollywood mogul Peter F. Paul will begin seeking sworn testimony from all three Clintons - Bill, Hillary and Chelsea - along with top Democratic Party leaders and A-list celebrities, including Barbra Streisand, John Travolta, Brad Pitt and Cher.
Paul's team hopes for a trial in October. The Clintons' longtime lawyer David Kendall, who will attend the hearing, has declined comment on the suit.
The Clintons have tried to dismiss the case, but the California Supreme Court, in 2004, upheld a lower-court decision to deny the motion.

Bill Clinton, according to the complaint, promised to promote Paul's Internet entertainment company, Stan Lee Media, in exchange for stock, cash options and massive contributions to his wife's 2000 Senate campaign. Paul contends he was directed by the Clintons and Democratic Party leaders to produce, pay for and then join them in lying about footing the bill for a Hollywood gala and fundraiser.
The Clintons' legal counsel has denied the former president made any deal with Paul. But Paul attorney Colette Wilson told WND there are witnesses who say it was common knowledge at Stan Lee Media that Bill Clinton was preparing to be a rainmaker for the company after he left office.
Paul claims former Vice President Al Gore, former Democratic Party chairman Ed Rendell and Clinton presidential campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe also are among the people who can confirm Paul engaged in the deal.


Paul claims Rendell directed various illegal contributions to the DNC and Hillary Clinton's campaign and failed to report to the Federal Election Commission more than $100,000 given for a Hollywood event for Gore's campaign and the Democratic National Committee in 2000. McAuliffe, Paul says, counseled him in two separate meetings to become a major donor to Hillary Clinton to pave the way to hire her husband. Paul asserts top Clinton adviser Harold Ickes also directed him to give money to the Senate campaign but hid that fact in "perjured testimony" during the trial of campaign finance director David Rosen.
Rosen was acquitted in 2005 for filing false campaign reports that later were charged by the FEC to treasurer Andrew Grossman, who accepted responsibility in a conciliation agreement that fined the campaign 35,000. Paul points out the Rosen trial established his contention that he personally gave more than $1.2 million to Clinton's campaign and that his contributions intentionally were hidden from the public and the Federal Election Commission.
Rosen, accused of concealing Paul's in-kind contribution of more than $1 million, was acquitted, but Paul contends the Clinton staffer was a scapegoat. Paul points out chief Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson told the Washington Post he was aware of the donation, yet he never was called as a witness in the Rosen trial.
Paul contends his case will expose "the institutional culture of corruption embraced by the Clinton leadership of the Democratic Party," which seeks to attain "unaccountable power for the Clintons at the expense of the rule of law and respect for the constitutional processes of government."
The complaint asserts Clinton has filed four false reports to the FEC of Paul's donations in an attempt to distance herself from him after a Washington Post story days after the August 2000 fundraiser reported his past felony convictions. Clinton then returned a check for $2,000, insisting it was the only money she had taken from Paul. But one month later, she demanded another $100,000, to be hidden in a state committee using untraceable securities.
"Why wouldn't that cause someone to inquire?" Paul asked. "Especially since it was days after she said she wouldn't take any more money from me."
Paul has the support of a new grass-roots political action group that is helping garner the assistance of one of the nation's top lawyers
Republican activist Rod Martin says his group plans to highlight Paul's case as it launches an organization based on the business model of the left-wing MoveOn.org but rooted in the principles and political philosophy of former President Reagan.
Martin's group also is assisting in Paul's complaint to the FEC asserting that unless the agency sets aside the conciliation agreement and rescinds immunity granted the senator, it will "have aided and abetted in the commission" of a felony.
Paul's case is the subject of a video documentary largely comprised of intimate "home movies" of Hillary Clinton and her Hollywood supporters captured by Paul during the period.

Posted by: marthadavidson | March 11, 2008 1:56 PM

Leave it to the Post to make this an issue. This paper should be on payroll for the Obama campaign. I'm sure that some of his Superdelagates have skeletons in their own closets.

And JakeD, what's with the DIANE? What's that about?

Posted by: rgs_tnr | March 11, 2008 1:56 PM

Silda Wall Spitzer for President!

Posted by: MrM1 | March 11, 2008 1:54 PM

Hillary's men--Bill, the President of the US, the mayor of Los Angeles, the Governor of NY--can't keep their pants zipped the way the Queen of Mean can't keep her lies zipped. Rush Limbaugh's call for Republicans to cross over to vote for Mrs. Clinton to keep the race going and "bloody" Obama brought out over 4% of the so-called Hillary voters in Texas, and this fact has been supported by both Hillary precinct folks and exit polls. Hillary is dirty-gaming the system, wink, wink, playing the gender, race and poor-me-class (but I loaned myself five million of my own money as a good investment to win the presidency) cards.

Posted by: shirleylim | March 11, 2008 1:54 PM

I think the real issue is if: Can Hillary apply for the presidential comand when she has standed the same betray from her own husband?

A. Diaz.

Posted by: ariana.diaz01 | March 11, 2008 1:54 PM

Hillary has the best view on this this matter. Our country has much bigger problems then who is sleeping with who. She has gotten past the rhetoric and trash by choosing to stand by the man she loves through thick and thin knowing life is just not a bowl of cherries. Personal relationships are just that and not the nations concern. See:
http://salem-news.com/articles/october172007/repub_scandals_10_17_07.php
These are human event which test our relationship with or mate. When the nation, religious groups, meddle in our relationship at home it just creates pressure on the people who are doing all they can to get through the little time we have on this planet. Mr. & Mrs. Spitzer can get past this by taking a lesson from Mr. & Mrs. Clinton by honoring the responsibility to one another as their vows demand when they promised to love and cherish one another through the good times and the bad. How is it that this is somehow reflective on Hillary? Bill a good wife is hard to find. Nice work dude! Kudos go the Mrs. Spitzer for standing by her man on national TV even though our sex seeking law enforcement community has made America's bedrooms their business for profit. How long will we have to live with Johnny law between our sheets.

Posted by: Keith_Richard_Radford_Jr | March 11, 2008 1:52 PM

TAH1 (whom I respectfully submit is clearly innumerate) wrote:

This game is OVER.

Hillary has proven she can win big in the big states that are the must wins for the Dems in November.
Obama has proven himself UNELECTABLE.

Well, I have news for you, from the 13 largest Primary contests held so far, Obama leads 8-5. And most of his delegate count comes from large states, not small. Hillary's 3 biggest wins, CA, TX and NY are hardly swing states by any measure and any Democrat that runs a campaign as efficient as Obama's would win them (or lose them in the case of Texas) by a margin. The figures don't lie and here they are:

State . . . . . . . Obama . . . . . . . .Clinton
California . . .2,126,000 . . . . . . .2,553,000
Texas . . . . . 1,358,000 . . . . . . .1,459,000
New York. . . . . 698,000 . . . . . . .1,003,000
Illinois. . . . 1,302,000 . . . . . . . .662,000
Ohio . . . . . . 982,000. . . . . . . 1,212,000
Georgia . . . . . 704,000 . . . . . . . .330,000
New Jersey. . . . 492,000 . . . . . . . .603,000
Virginia . . . . 627,000 . . . . . . . .350,000
Washington . . . 354,000 . . . . . . . .316,000
Massachusetts . . . . 512,000 . . . . . . . .705,000
Minnesota . . . . 142,000 . . . . . . . .69,000
Missouri . . . . 405,000 . . . . . . . .395,000
Wisconsin . . . . 646,000 . . . . . . . .453,000

Total of Big 13 . . . . . 10,348,000 . . . . . . .10,108,000
Popular Vote...13.4 million... 12.7 million
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California . . . 167 . . . . . . 203
Texas . . . . . 99 . . . . 94
New York . . . . . 93 . . . . 139
Illinois. . . . 104 . . . 49
Ohio . . . . . . 66. . . 75
Georgia . . . . . 60 . . . 27
New Jersey. . . . 48 . . . . 59
Virginia . . . . 54 . . . . 29
Washington . . . 53 . . . 25
Massachusetts ... 38 ...55
Minnesota ... 48 ... 24
Missouri ...36 ...36
Wisconsin ...34 ...29
Total . . . . . 900 . . . 844

Unless America's demographics are very different from what we know to be true, these numbers kill the "black voters argument" the "vice president argument" the "small states argument" the "unelectable" argument and the "caucuses" argument. I can see why there is a correlation between lack of clear, factual analysis and strong support for Hillary Clinton. Most people voting for her are voting for her name and familiarity.

Posted by: asja | March 11, 2008 1:52 PM

"Who would you rather vote for, the coke head or the war hero?"

America picked a incompetent cokehead in '04 over the war hero. Now it's time for a competent one.

Posted by: BlahBlahBlah314 | March 11, 2008 1:52 PM

Clinton is done given the math. If she takes it, she will have stolen it. One more super delegate isn't going to mean a hill of beans to her.

Posted by: ac11 | March 11, 2008 1:52 PM

Posted by: julieds | March 11, 2008 1:51 PM


Someone said here that the old man(my friend) ,McCain is a man of integrity, but you should check the reason why he and his first wife were DIVORCED. Besides, McCain needs to be evaluated for his spontaneous outbursts for "anger". Do you need someone like this in the white house, as you will see missiles flying all over.......................

Posted by: daxjen13 | March 11, 2008 1:50 PM

Hillary doesn't have a spitzer problem.

Obama has a COCAINE problem.

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 1:50 PM

"Hillary does not have a "Spitzer" problem.
This game is OVER.
Hillary has proven she can win big in the big states that are the must wins for the Dems in November.
Obama has proven himself UNELECTABLE."

So Hillary is going to win Texas in November, and Obama could lose New york and Cali? Are you serious? Are you forgetting Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri and possibly Kansas where Obama dominated Hillary as opposed to the big states where the votes were tight? What does her campaign feed you supporters to be so delusional? Look at the scoreboard.

Posted by: BlahBlahBlah314 | March 11, 2008 1:48 PM

"Obama does have a past, and it is going to come back and bite him."
"He couldn't even handle the job of being a State Senator.
Why would anyone in their right mind trust him with the Presidency?"

As of late night yesterday, Hillary still wants Obama to be her VP - despite this?! WOW!

Posted by: titindgp | March 11, 2008 1:45 PM

It's a bit interesting that these Rockefeller guys are beginning to fall. Let's see if they manage to get Parsons appointed as the next mayor so they can continue to have us subsidize illegal immigration.

Who cares about the sex. The banks are colluding with the IRS to watch what you are doing with your own money. If you take $4,000 cash out of your account to buy your kid a used car, your wife a piece of jewelry, or help a strapped relative, they will be notified.

The stock market is continuing its downward spiral, the price of oil hit a record high, the dollar is continuing to fall, and the U.S. is trying to start a war with Iran. Let's stay on task.

Posted by: websmith1 | March 11, 2008 1:42 PM

When I heard from my Republican contacts many months ago that they wanted Obama as the candidate for the Democrats because they knew they could beat him no matter what, I didn't know why they were so confident.

Now I do.

Obama does have a past, and it is going to come back and bite him.

Obama betrayed the trust of the poor people in Chicago he swore to look out for.

While he was focusing on how to get to the Whitehouse, the people who trusted him were getting screwed "big time"

Republicans have done an amazing amount of background research on Obama, and there is no way in the world he's going to be elected to anything once they get done with him.

"Who would you rather vote for, the coke head or the war hero?"

is only the tip of the iceberg.

Chicago is Obama's Waterloo.

He couldn't even handle the job of being a State Senator.

Why would anyone in their right mind trust him with the Presidency?

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 1:40 PM

Don't you guys have any sympathy to the painful wife of the governor? I think this is going to help Hilary instead of hurting her.
It's more evident now that we need woman president. Who knows what scandal BO will bring to white house!

Posted by: ystao17 | March 11, 2008 1:40 PM

Sen Clinton needs to distance herself from Spitzer & take a distinct stance on how what he did was wrong. The "my thoughts are with the gov and his family" line is not helpful. Her problem, obviously, is that she can't criticize Spitzer for infidelity, having given Bill a pass on that charge. Therefore she has to focus on the difference between Bill & Eliot: the cash. She needs to clearly state her disappointment in the Governor's apparent/alleged lawbreaking behavior, suggest he might step down & thank him for his prior support, which she no longer expects, due to his focus on more immediate, personal issues.

Posted by: bsimon | March 11, 2008 1:38 PM

Hillary isn't a leader. It's time to smarten up America - McCain is the answer. A true leader, a person of integrity, ethics, morality, and courage. He has the most experiece of anyone. No more Marc Rich's of the world. Enough. Hillary is just obsessed with being president, and America isn't ready for that in today's world.

Posted by: pc12 | March 11, 2008 1:38 PM

OMG!!! IT COULD HAVE BEEN BILL!!!

Posted by: oneofcolor | March 11, 2008 1:38 PM

TAH1: With an imagination like yours, who needs facts or logic?

Posted by: DoTheMath | March 11, 2008 1:38 PM

The Spitzer story could hurt Hillary to the extent it brings the Clintons' complicated history to the fore of voters' minds. Unfortunately, the Clinton's baggage does not begin or end with the Lewinsky affair. There has never been a first husband before, let alone one who is a former president. Bills words, deeds, financial dealings and the like will come right along with Hillary if she is elected, and the risk of unproductive distractions is quite real. They do nothing to quell this concern by concealing White House documents and joint tax returns.

Posted by: MShaughn | March 11, 2008 1:36 PM

There's not a doubt in my mind Hillary will succeed to the nomination even though her Governor will be out by Friday... but I wouldn't count on anybody but McCain putting his feet up in the Oval Office. The Democrats don't deserve it after this fiasco they call their campaign.

Posted by: scotty5720 | March 11, 2008 1:36 PM

TAH1 - you know, just because you put words in capital letters doesn't make them any more accurate.

ichief - I am not even slightly interested in "amplifying this trash" because it is disgusting and pathetic and as a former New Yorker I had a lot of respect for Governor Spitzer. I'm hard pressed to understand what exactly is sexist about this story, or why you think the press would ignore it or fail to mention that he is a major supporter of Clinton. You know what trash ISN'T getting amplified at the moment? The vicious and ignorant comments Geraldine Ferraro made about Obama's race. Perhaps if Clinton's supporters weren't conducting themselves so poorly, the "pundits" wouldn't have trash to discuss. Give 'em trash, they'll take it. We need the best people to serve these roles, not the shadiest. The bums will be thrown out.

REPUBLICAN & INDEPENDENT PA FOLKS - Re-register to vote in the Democratic Primary here:http://www.dos.state.pa.us/voting/lib/voting/02_voter_registration_applications/onlinevoterregformblank.pdf - it needs to be postmarked by March 24!

Posted by: squintz | March 11, 2008 1:35 PM

This is the relation between Spitzer and Clinton in a nutshell:
Hillary has touted the role of superdelegates because of their superior judgment to mere mortals who vote in primaries or caucuses. She believes that superdelegates are there to make superior judgments to the mere mortal voters, who are not as enlightened and savvy.
So we look at a poster child of a Clinton superdelegate, Mr. Spitzer, plastered all over the media at this critical time. And we say, "Yup, there's that superior judgment at work." LOL!

Posted by: ginnymci | March 11, 2008 1:35 PM

If Obama gets the nomination, its going to wind up being President McCain.

From Obama's repeated use of cocaine, to the guy on the net who accuses Obama of having a homosexual affair with him and has now passed a lie detector test to the fact that Obama let the people who supported him rot in slums, Obama has way too many negatives to get elected.

Republicans were scared of this election turning into a referendum on Bill Clinton vs. George Bush, which Republicans would lose and what will happen if Hillary is the candidate, even though netiher Bill Clinton nor George Bush is running.

The real Obama is a real jerk.
People in Chicago know that already, and the rest of the country will know it soon.

The question is whether the rest of the country will wake up in time.

Will Obama supporters wake up before its too late?
crusade"

The real Obama isn't a very nice guy, or a very honest one. He's as crooked a politician as they come and he let his supporters rot in slums while he got rich.

Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 1:34 PM

Here's a list of the potentially damaging documents that WILL eventually be public: Clinton tax returns (haven't released any to the public in 7 years), Bill's sketchy business deals with dictators/terrorist states (Kazakhstan uranium deal, and just today it came out Bill's advising a Brazilian company accused of human rights violations and caught in an ethanol scandal), there's also the thousands of white house documents that the Clintons don't want to release, and there's Bill's donor list to his foundation which may have donors from terrorist countries, and then ofcourse there's the women Bill has been seeing since leaving the white house. News Corp's (Fox News, Wall Street Journal) Rupert Murdoch claims he has a list of these woman and he's waiting for the fall to release them. All I'm saying is: that's a lot of potential for scandal - and its not like Clintons haven't already proven to be scandal prone (whitewater, cattle futures, illegal campaign cash, monica lewinsky). Voters should seriously think: do we really want the Clintons back in the white house? The GOP will make sure voters have are focused on this question in November.

Posted by: the964kid | March 11, 2008 1:34 PM

Three points

First, and most important, could the gov. have looked any more GOOFY in that photo if he tried? Is he doing an impression of a wooden dummy?

Second, this is meaningless for Clinton. No one cares, at least not anyone who he would impact.

Third... I'm with hhkeller, we're not worried about the Bush administration but we're worried about who this guy paid to get his knob polished? Our priorities are, well, a little skewed, no?

Posted by: fake1 | March 11, 2008 1:33 PM

As is obvious from Clinton supporter comments on this board, the Clinton campaign in morally bankrupt. They are losing and can't stand it.

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 11, 2008 1:32 PM

If Obama gets the nomination, its going to wind up being President McCain.

From Obama's repeated use of cocaine, to the guy on the net who accuses Obama of having a homosexual affair with him and has now passed a lie detector test to the fact that Obama let the people who supported him rot in slums, Obama has way too many negatives to get elected.

Republicans were scared of this election turning into a referendum on Bill Clinton vs. George Bush, which Republicans would lose and what will happen if Hillary is the candidate, even though netiher Bill Clinton nor George Bush is running.

The real Obama is a real jerk.
People in Chicago know that already, and the rest of the country will know it soon.

The question is whether the rest of the country will wake up in time.

Will Obama supporters wake up before its too late?
crusade"

The real Obama isn't a very nice guy, or a very honest one. He's as crooked a politician as they come and he let his supporters rot in slums while he got rich.

Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

Posted by: svreader | March 11, 2008 1:32 PM

This is another one of the skeletons that will continue to crawl out of the Clinton closets. The Clintons have been surrounded by corruption since their days in Arkansas. People seem to remember the good things that happened in the 90's but haven't we been embarrassed by our President enough? We need someone to return dignity to the whitehouse again.

Posted by: vhorlick | March 11, 2008 1:31 PM

Hillary is LOSING and CANNOT win. This just highlights her baggage, which she failed to manage well.

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 11, 2008 1:31 PM

"Bad luck charm"?

Is that what passes for cogent analysis these days at the Washington Post? My goodness.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | March 11, 2008 1:30 PM

i'm not a HRC supporter and, even to me, this article is ridiculous. reaching a bit? report news, don't try to make news.

Posted by: mahoghoney | March 11, 2008 1:30 PM

It was all the buzz last night as to why Spitzers wife was standing with him, rather than having her own press conference. Having said that, it is no wonder that he would endorse Clinton, He is her kind of man. Piously going after others for the same things he does. Just as Clinton attacks Obama over NAFTA with the Canadians, when her campaign made some phone calls to the Canadians at the same time. Not a meeting, but you can communicate with a phone call just as effectively. Clinton is not "denouncing or rejecting" Spitzers endorsement. No one in her campaign is either. THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES!!

Posted by: marthadavidson | March 11, 2008 1:29 PM

Anyone that thinks they might vote for Hillary should read the chapter on Bill Clinton in Gregg Jackson's book, Conservative Comebacks to Liberal Lies. All FACTS about Bill that cannot be denied! And we would vote to put another Clinton in office? I think not.

Posted by: jillsadesigner | March 11, 2008 1:29 PM

Questions:
Hey... was Ken Starr involved in this some way?
Does Monica Spitzer Swallows?
Will Mrs. Spitzer run 10 years from now accusing a right-wing conspiracy behind the prosecution of her husband?

Posted by: AB68 | March 11, 2008 1:27 PM

why do the idiotic hillbilly Hillary supporters keep buying into Hillary's attempt to steal the election with her "I won big states" argument. Her argument is BS. The voters she's had in those big states are hard core, solid democrats that aren't voting republican in the fall. Obama has pulled in more independents then her, who most likely would not vote for her in the general. Obama will win the big democratic states in the general.

Posted by: vflex | March 11, 2008 1:22 PM

cybervote - You're right that the Governor's position gives him superdelegate status, but his Lt. Governor is also already a superdelegate as a DNC member. So unless the Lt. Governor resigns his DNC position and someone else is appointed, Clinton loses a superdelegate if Spitzer resigns.

Also, as an Obama supporter, I agree that Hillary Clinton should be left out of the Spitzer story. She has nothing to do with his personal failings and should not be unfairly tainted by them.

Posted by: HowardsJohnson | March 11, 2008 1:21 PM

I like how Spitzer gets caught soliciting prostitutes and it's Obama's fault for "unearthing" the Clinton and Lewinsky scandal.

You Clinton supporters have a dubious sense of logic. And the frank parallel between men of power (Spitzer and Clinton) soliciting sex is so clear that we'd have to wonder about your IQ if it didn't immediately come to mind.

Posted by: bhuang2 | March 11, 2008 1:21 PM

What a B.S. article. Somehow Spitzer = Bill = Hillary. That's patently false and degrades a wonderful candidate for president. If you can't check your prejudice against women then please don't write for a national newspaper, you belong in an alley writing for rats.

Posted by: twotier97 | March 11, 2008 1:20 PM

SeedofChange - You are a liar, and you know it. Obama joined his church at least 8 years before he ever ran for office. He has *no* relationship with Farrakhan, and has publicly rejected *and* denounced him for his racist views.

Posted by: HowardsJohnson | March 11, 2008 1:17 PM

Dear JakeD

Uh. No. Even counting the popular votes in Florida and Michigan (and how you can count the popular votes in Michigan when he wasn't on the ballot because of an agreement is beyond me), Obama still leads in the popular vote if you include Iowa, Nevada, Washington and Maine's popular vote (which has not been released) in the totals (the difference is more than the 19,000 vote "lead" that Clinton has after counting Michigan and Florida), and his lead is larger if you also count the "unpledged" votes in Michigan for Obama. And of course, after tonight, that 19,000 vote "lead" is going to be erased in any event.

Its a "sophist" argument based on careful selection that allows Clinton to generate her only claim of lead.

Posted by: dcraven925 | March 11, 2008 1:17 PM

Spitzer is just another criminal clinton supporter. It doesn't unfairly color her or smear her - it accurately defines her.

She can rid herself of the criminal element is she so choses - but it is easier and more profitable to keep them, and their money, and blame the attention focused on their criminal activity on the vast right wing conspiracy.

It has worked in the past.

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | March 11, 2008 1:12 PM

I think that for Obama and his supporters to un-earth Clintons' marital problems are the worst kind of politics. Obama should focus on the new issues that both Hillary and him have raised, issues that affect our lives. If it is a new scandal about a candidate then we need to know, otherwise, it is just a tabloid tactics.

Posted by: cybervote | March 11, 2008 1:11 PM

Hillary's comment is appropriate since she understands the pain of having your personal life exposed because of their public service career.

The superdelegate's vote rests with the gov's office, not with Spitzer himself. I hope that I understand it correctly.

Posted by: cybervote | March 11, 2008 1:08 PM

gideon102002:

Did you mean to say "he is not UN-electable"? If so, please see my next comment.

egc52556:

Hillary would be in the lead if Florida and Michigan were counted. Just wait until all those GOP / Independent McCain voters in the upcoming States re-register just to vote for Hillary DIANE Clinton one time and permanently split the Democratic Party in half ; )

Posted by: JakeD | March 11, 2008 1:04 PM

tah1 --

Where's Bill today? Laying low?

You bring up Obama's (supposed) unelectability -- what number was Bill on the client list?

And, what about the McClatchy News reports about that dirty Wall Street guy the Clintons are tight with -- Ruckles, or something?

Or the Republicans' promise to re-open Whitewater?

Or the Clintons' STILL secret tax returns and prez library papers? And Hillary's college paper from Wellesley -- sealed (after all these years -- why?) and the only student's who is?

Hmmmmm . . . yes, you make a good point about unelectability. The Clintons sure are that -- unelectable!

Posted by: nads1 | March 11, 2008 1:02 PM

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Ahh, the titillating glee of a good political sex scandal.

But seriously, even as an Obama supporter, I don't think Spitzer will bring much harm to Clinton. It may help her because if Spitzer resigns then the Lt. Governor of NY, David A Paterson, would (probably) become the Governor and a superdelegate. He is a black man and has already very publicly endorsed Hillary Clinton. I'm sure Clinton could make hay out of that.

State of the horse race (from Wikipedia):
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1st Place: Obama w/1594 delegates, 49.1% popular vote, 31 states

2nd Place: Clinton w/1470 delegates, 47.1% popular vote, 15 states

* Note: winning "big" states hasn't helped Clinton lead the popular vote. This "big state" argument just continues to piss off those of us who live in "small" states. We're ignored year after year by the bi-coastal politicians, but to be dissed by a candidate who wants to be "my president" is insulting and appalling.

Peace.

Posted by: egc52556 | March 11, 2008 12:56 PM

I think that this is relative to Hillary's campaign because it looks an awful lot like foreshadowing. Another Clinton Administration is certain to contain new scandals of all shapes and sizes.
Hillary is the worst hand we could be dealt at this point, with McCain coming in at a close second worse.
The sad part is, Obama is actually a wonderful candidate... unfortunately for us most of the nation isn't smarter than a fifth grader and thus cannot recognize this fact.

Posted by: formlessness | March 11, 2008 12:53 PM

TAH1 are you delusional. Obama has won more states, more popular votes and more delegates, and he's not electable. Please, wake up and smell the cappucino

Posted by: gideon102002 | March 11, 2008 12:52 PM

You don't need a pundit to write this. First thoughts in my mind when I heard this was Bill Clinton. Are you kidding me? Anytime I see the "I am sorry" speech with wife standing by reminds me of the Clintons. I was reminded of that when the NJ governor gave his too.
How will that play in the mind of voters? I have no clue. I know it does not help Hillary!
If he stays it should help Barack. The GOP will be talking about Spitzer, not Barack, the press will be talking about Spitzer, not Hillary. Both are bad news for Hillary. That's the implications I see. Implication I said, not connection.

Posted by: al_164_1999 | March 11, 2008 12:49 PM

Lets' ask Billery "show us your Tax return" and also the money $50 million or so, Bill received from Kazahkstan for his foundation, all these people are crooks and cheaters and they are all tied together in one group...

Posted by: pwalterkumar | March 11, 2008 12:41 PM

Lets' ask Billery "show us your Tax return" and also the money $50 million or so, Bill received from Kazahkstan for his foundation, all these people are crooks and cheaters and they are all tied together in one group...

Posted by: pwalterkumar | March 11, 2008 12:41 PM

hhkeller:

Truman kills 220,000 in Japan (with only two bombs) and gets a free pass from the American public too.

Posted by: JakeD | March 11, 2008 12:38 PM

Hillary's BIG NY Supporter. Her 'SUPERDELEGATE' Spitzer the John.

How close were you to SPITZER Hillary?

It's time you told the truth.

Posted by: PulSamsara | March 11, 2008 12:37 PM

As a man, I feel sorry for Mrs. Spitzer. Why she would allow herself to be on stage with Gov. Spitzer while he announces wrongdoing is beyond me?!?! Obama should continue to stay above the fray of petty politics, but let some of his surrogates chime in. His surrogates could play up the need to keep any future scandals out of the White House, and point to how distracting this is to the country and the problems we face.

Obama in 08!

Posted by: ajtiger92 | March 11, 2008 12:31 PM


Bush kills 350,000 in Iraq and gets a free pass from the American public.
War criminals are real criminals.

Americans and the American Press is a joke.

LOL

Posted by: hhkeller | March 11, 2008 12:30 PM

Lord knows how many more Spitzers are lurking behind (or in other anatomical locations) re: Hillary herself.

Posted by: JakeD | March 11, 2008 12:25 PM

Obama has the popular vote, he has more delegates and will keep more elected delegates through the remaining states and he has won more states. To the person who mistakenly commented he was unelectable....perhaps the facts don't fit your reality but to the MAJORITY of Americans? He fits theirs just fine. Thanks anyway :)
As for this affecting Hillary? I would hope that it would not. It has no place in this race though one does have to consider the possibility of Bill Clinton's influence with Hillary and this sad connection of infidelity. He talked her into keeping him after over 20 "stepping outs" so his influence is great. Do we really want to take this chance? In that respect it may hurt her in some manner along with the rantings of women all over the country who made the same decision she did when it came to "Staning by her Man"....regardless of the cost to her own self respect.

Posted by: Bulldoglover100 | March 11, 2008 12:22 PM

Lord knows how many more Spitzers are lurking bbehind the scenes of Hillary's campaign.
These are the guys, that will hold high offices in a Clinton whitehouse.These are the guys we will trust our futures, our security with? These are the hypocrites and sycophants that represent the rot - A rot that Sen. Obama is fighting.

Posted by: titindgp | March 11, 2008 12:21 PM

Hillary Clinton can't be blamed for the men who disappoint her. She can, however, be blamed for her pantsuits.

Posted by: listats | March 11, 2008 12:19 PM

This is news because the same governor who rode to albany on the promise of ethics in state government, and one who personally prosecuted multiple prosecution rings ended up being involved in one.

He has no more mandate and any times that he would spend as governor from now on is wasted time.

As far as how this relates to Clinton - I can't POSSIBLY be the first person to at least think Bill Clinton in relation to what Spitzer did. And that association for better or worse, is something that hillary will have to deal with.

Posted by: perryair | March 11, 2008 12:18 PM

Trevor Wynne wrote: "The focus on Spitzer's legal problems as they might relate to the presidential race is wrong."

Sorry to say, but you need to get over yourself and read the specifics of the article. YES, Hillary has a "Spitzer" problem. #1.) Unfortunately, it clearly creates "negative" publicity around one of her highly visible supporters, and reminds the public of Bill Clinton's own infidelity. #2.) He's a Super-Delegate, and a possible resignation removes a super-delegate from Clinton's column in a race where every delegate counts. #3.) She will be asked distracting questions about it by the media for the next few days, and more, as additional details and breaking news develops. Trying to "control" the news cycle is a constant battle for the candidates, and you always want to keep your image in the right context.

News like this is never welcome, but don't become so blind as to realize how the world works and how things relate simply because you don't want it to relate that way. That's just naive.

If Spitzer had endorsed Obama, this would be a story about how its Obama's "problem" (regarding the potential loss of a delegate and support), yet touching on how Clinton will likely want to steer clear of the topic matter in attacks him.

Posted by: washingtonpost | March 11, 2008 12:18 PM

JakeD: Still on the middle name huh?

Oh how the mighty have fallen!

All of you HRC supports - What say you?
Should Silda 'be some Tammy Wynett standing by her man' like HRC?

You can take all of the comfort you'd like in David Patterson....he was already a hill super (not that it will matter)...so she is dn 1! No way around it. Nice reminder of the 'fighter'.

SHE IS GONZO!!!!!!

Too bad this story surpassed the renewed scrutiny of her so-called foreign affairs experience.

Obama/Biden 08!

Posted by: dab23 | March 11, 2008 12:15 PM

"Hillary has proven she can win big in the big states that are the must wins for the Dems in November.
Obama has proven himself UNELECTABLE."

This is some of the worst rhetoric I've heard this whole campaign. According to this sort of so-called "logic," only the states where Hillary can win ...matter, and the other 39 states do not. Obama has won twice as many states as Hillary and is winning in delegates and in popular votes. This makes the "Obama is unelectable" meme as ridiculous as the "Obama is a muslim who won't answer the phone after midnight" meme.

As regards Spitzer ...He's just another example of the kind of fine choices the Clintons like to surround themselves with. Put him in the same pile with Peter Paul, Norman Hsu, James Levin and David Rosen ...not to forget her favorite paid liar, Howard Wolfson. Yeah, let's bring back the good ol' days of Clintonian scandals ...We haven't had enough of that these past 7 years.

Posted by: alamantra | March 11, 2008 12:15 PM

"Yet another reason why it is time for a woman to take over the presidency." Huh? How is Spitzer's wandering winky a reason to have a female president? The man is obviously a moral hypocrite, but how does this make gender the new litmus test? We still have all the old ones; gay marriage, stem cell research, race, religion, do you love Jesus and abortion...all still great "wedge issues."

Posted by: x32792 | March 11, 2008 12:14 PM

My comments aside, I am backing Obama. I'm just not naive enough to believe his Teflon coating won't wear off within a few years of being elected.

With apologies to the few in Washington who are the exeption to this rule, sleaze and slime are endemic to politics. I get sick of hearing act like Slick Willy was the first to use his power to get BJ.

Seriously, is anyone actually shocked by this? A politician using prostitutes--stop the presses!

When are we going to get over our faux-puritanism? How long can we exist as a society in which pop culture and advertising push scantily-clad underage women down our throats while we gasp and drop our monacles whenever anyone in the public eye actually gets caught having sex?

I'm not saying we should let Spitzer off the hook here, but damn... this is news?

Posted by: nathan.h.abbott | March 11, 2008 12:12 PM

If congressman Vitter isn't resigning because of a hooker connection, why should Spitzer? Maybe we should reevaluate these puritanical laws that are obviously anti-free market?

Posted by: larryecoffey | March 11, 2008 12:11 PM

How does Hillary combat the suspicion that "she is more about calculation than principle" when it comes to her refusal to comment on the Spitzer case? Whether or not Hillary joins the crowd calling for his resignation, will she demand his resignation as a superdelegate?

Will Bill be asked about all of this? And as an aspiring co-President, will he answer?

Posted by: FirstMouse | March 11, 2008 12:09 PM

To say that Spitzer is somehow a problem for HRC is, quite simply, absurd. Will it be more of a problem when an even more vocal supporter, an African American to boot, assumes office?

Posted by: johnvirginia881 | March 11, 2008 12:09 PM

Wow, sbgamatt. Insightful comments. I'd forgotten that Bill Clinton was the only politician who was caught doing something sleazy and slimy recently. Of course.

In that light, I'm happy to clear up some misconceptions:

Mark Foley, head of the caucus for missing and exploited children, was NOT caught sending text messages to underage congressional pages looking for measurements of their sexual organs. David Vitter, who ran his campaign around family values, did NOT show up in the D.C. Madam's phonebook. Larry Craig, who spent a large part of his career restricting gay rights, is clearly not gay at all, and does not seek sex in public restrooms, so we can forget about that one as well.

Then, of course, there's the non-sexual Republican scandals that never happened: Renzi and Stevens and their FBI investigations are, of course, purely fictional. And of course, everybody's favorite, Jack Abramoff, we all know he's merely a character in J.K. Rowling's books.

Now we all know the truth. All sleaze comes from the Clintons.

Dumbass.

Posted by: nathan.h.abbott | March 11, 2008 12:04 PM

James Carville is right. This is a vast Republican conspiracy to take down a prominent governor and Clinton supporter. Did the FBI repeatedly drug Governor Spitzer, then convince him to solicit escorts over the 'phone on multiple occasions, arrange rather hefty financial payments and coordinate their travel plans? Is the same unit that got Lewinsky her unpaid gig at the White House and loaned her money to buy pizza? Did they appoint New Jersey's homeland security coordinator to the McGreevey administration? Maybe it's not just Democrats: could this same FBI team have convinced Senator Vitter to repeatedly dial the DC Madam? Did they entrap Senator Craig in Minnesota?

Posted by: InspectorOh | March 11, 2008 12:04 PM

Yet another reason why it is time for a woman to take over the presidency.

Posted by: jdsinillinois | March 11, 2008 12:00 PM

I do not think it is unfair to tie Clinton to this or for her and Bill to be asked to comment. He is a superdelegate that is supporting them. It does speak of the kind of people they attract. Birds of a feather flock together!! I hope the press does not let her get away with that comment, she needs to properly answer. She should also REJECT HIS SUPPORT!!!!!

Posted by: melissawoodsnp | March 11, 2008 12:00 PM

TAH1. Which is it? Obama is unelectable because he's a BLACK MAN and Hillary is a WHITE WOMAN, or Obama is good enough to be my VP...the person capable and ready to be President if Hillary gets run over by a bus on DAY ONE? The more she talks, the more desperate, deceitful and untrustworthy she reveals herself to be.

Posted by: x32792 | March 11, 2008 11:59 AM

The only tie to Hillary that should be seen is her denouncing and rejecting him, which isn't happening. Why the double standard? :p

Posted by: Charlene-K | March 11, 2008 11:59 AM

Hillary cannot win now, even if she were to win the nomination. In the same way that Senator Kerry was connected by Republicans (to bring out the reactionary right) to the Massachusetts Supreme Court decision to recognize the right of gay persons to marry, Senator Clinton will be connected to Governor Spitzer's indescretion. And it will be code-worded. The Republicans will continually talk about the "character issue" with respect to Senator Clinton and allow the listener to fill in the blanks, connecting her with President Clinton's indescretion with Ms. Lewinsky as well as Governor Spitzer's alleged connection with a prostitute.

Senator Obama will _not_ be a fresh start. Republican campaigns are filled with innuendo and they'll try to link Senator Obama with Muslim extremism, Malcolm X and the Black Panthers, and anything else they can -- all the while using code words to indicate their racist stance. And this is what Senator Clinton has been trying to telegraph to the Obama campaign all along.

I believe that, in light of Governor Spitzer's ill-timed indescretion (or the timing of the investigation), Senator Clinton will never be able to fully deflect "character issue" attacks no matter how skilled she is. And, were Obama chosen to lead the ticket, he'll need Senator Clinton's help in deflecting attacks aimed at him.

Posted by: mhollis55 | March 11, 2008 11:59 AM

Obama's muslim mother and father:

1. Mother married a muslim man who already had multiple wives in Kenya
2. Mother married a second muslim man to help bring up her "only child" after first husband left her
3. Mother moved her "only child" to Indonesia to provide a muslim environment and life style for her only child. Indonesia is the largest muslim country in the world and site of "Bali bombing". Indonesia is a terrorist hot bed.
4. Obama has no record of participating in Christian church activities in his early age
5. Obama has no record of participating in Christian church during college years.
6. Obama has no record of church activities after his graduation
7. Obama started church activities after he decided to run for public office and started participating in voter sign up activities. His church leader is friend with Farrahkhan
8. Obama's relation with Farrahkhan is unknown at this time

Obama can not win a general election.

Posted by: SeedofChange | March 11, 2008 11:58 AM

Do I see another tear welling up? I wish the slimy dirt carrying Clintons would go home and pull down their shades.

Posted by: shacktoe | March 11, 2008 11:56 AM

Only in the mind of Peter Baker, one can associate this to Hillary Clinton's campaign. The public long ago voted for her knowing all about her past. The ones that still want to punish her for the behavior of her husband are with Obama or somebody else.

Posted by: jcarlosluna | March 11, 2008 11:55 AM

Eliot Spitzer's story reminds us all of the sleaze and slime during the Clinton's years. We expect the same old slime and sleaze again in the White House with Bill Clinton as the de facto President. Let us all remind voters in all the remaining primaries of the dangers of voting for the Clinton's. This is something that is going to happen again. Hillary calls it the right wing conspiracy. Voters should be reminded of the ugliness, slime and sleaze of the Clinton years. Voters should be reminded of thugs and criminal who rented the Lincoln bedroom in the Whitehouse. Enough of this dirt. We need a fresh start with Obama. We need a breath of fresh air.

Posted by: sbgamatt | March 11, 2008 11:48 AM

Birds of the same feather flock together.

Dems and Republicans are no different.
Power corrupts so we must set term limits to the Oval Office, including "term limits to the same couple".

You can't blame the Clintons for taking the White House as their permanence home and the furniture inside.

If it's not a theft of $190,000 of White House furniture, this means Hillary could not manage moving out of the White House.
How can Hillary manage and never mind lead the nation?

Now Mrs. Spitzer is qualified to run for the White House. You have to think positively.

Posted by: dummy4peace | March 11, 2008 11:47 AM

It is unfair to tie this scandal to HRC. The problem though is that these scandals turn to dominate news and the governor's line of work to the point where we get nothing done. Why don't we just move on.
Let's turn the page with Obama and write a new chapter. Its time to move on. The Clintons will continue distracting us and fighting with the GOP and we will never get anything done. Its time to move on.

Posted by: bobor1 | March 11, 2008 11:46 AM

Hillary should come out swinging on this one, for, as James Carville said yesterday, this is clearly a Republican plot to discredit a prominent Hillary supporter, with FBI cooperation. Nothing more than a "vast right wing conspiracy," she should say, and stand firmly behind yet another unfaithful husband.

Posted by: gene9 | March 11, 2008 11:43 AM

The ugly attempt in this post to smear Hillary Clinton by linking her to the Spitzer episode is typical of a punditry that knows no limits to its destructive, sexist, misogynist assaults on the first serious female candidate for the presidency. Republicans and Obama supporters across the internet will be having a field day amplifying this trash in their comments on every message board.

Posted by: ichief | March 11, 2008 11:35 AM

One can only wonder if Gov. Spitzer is going to become the Clinton campaign's scapegoat. This article somehow seems to tie the Governor with Sen. Clinton's muffed answer in the debates, which could hardly be the case. Sen. Clinton needs to stand on her own two feet, if possible, when responding to questions, and to have viable answers available for questions without blaming others for her own inadequacies. Both of these politicos have stumbled on the illegals question, and have been broadly accompanied by the rest of the candidates, but NOT by the public, which seems to have better sense than the fools it elects to represent it. For the number of candidates who initially were in the campaign, our politics have brought forward a crop of candidates all across the board which has been the weakest in the past 150 years of American Presidential politics, bowing and scraping to what they suggest is the popular will while showing a mass lack of good common sense and a strong disconnection with the genuine interests of the American people. ALL branches of our government now are extremely weak and unfit to serve in the capacities, and this is reflected in the disregard shown for them all in every poll that is taken. This MUST reflect a basic flaw in our candidate selection process, and this flaw is almost certainly related to campaign financing and the over-representation of monied interests in the process. We change, or we fall as a nation. It's as simple as that.

Posted by: bong_jamesbong2001 | March 11, 2008 11:31 AM

Hillary does not have a "Spitzer" problem.

This game is OVER.

Hillary has proven she can win big in the big states that are the must wins for the Dems in November.

Obama has proven himself UNELECTABLE.

Posted by: TAH1 | March 11, 2008 11:27 AM

The focus on Spitzer's legal problems as they might relate to the presidential race is wrong. Such topics should be our focus to use against Republicans in November, not against Democrats. At least it's coming out now, though, and not near the election. We can be sure that the good stuff against McCain is being saved for an October surprise like we used in 2000.
-Trevor Wynne
Washington, DC

Posted by: trevorwynnewhitehouse | March 11, 2008 11:24 AM

Can't it also be a an eventual plus for Hillary? I'm not saying for the presidential, but if she loses the nomination to Barack, then she's still the junior senator from NY, with Schumer the senior senator and also the DSCC chair.

If Barack maintains enough of a pledged delegate lead, even with PA and re-votes in FL and MI, and goes onto November, then Hillary will most likely look at how she could become part of the Senate leadership.

That's where the Spitzer scandal could help Hillary. Schumer wants to be governor of NY. If Spitzer ends up resigning, Schumer could end up running in 2010 instead of for re-election to the Senate. That would mean that Hillary becomes the senior senator in NY.

Look at the Senate leadership. Reid, Durbin, Murray, Dorgan, and Schumer are all their states' senior Democrats. Seems to me that junior senators don't get into leadership (which wouldn't bode well for Rockefeller or Kerry -- examples of two longtime senators who are junior to even more long-term senators in Byrd and Kennedy).

Posted by: ericp331 | March 11, 2008 11:22 AM

Mr. Baker:

I believe the current (for now) Lt. Gov. of New York is a staunch Hillary DIANE Clinton supporter too ; )

Posted by: JakeD | March 11, 2008 11:20 AM

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