The Trail: A Daily Diary of Campaign 2008

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DNC made a mistake in not having some compromise before the election with Michigan and Florida regarding pledged delegates as was done by the RNC. Now, without making further complications they should accept the result. In Michigan they should give all the blank votes to Obama because, if his name was in the ballot he might have got those votes. In Florida the result should be accepted. Obama's complaint that if he had campaigned in these states, he would have got more votes is not correct. None of the other candidates campaigned there either. He campaigned more vigorously in Texas and Ohio and still did not win them.

In future, the primary election rules should be same as national election rules. Then, there will not be this long political circus!

DON'T BE DUPED!!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. "Carpe diem" (harvest the day).

I think Hillary Clinton see's a beautiful world of plenty, and comfort for all. She is a woman, and a mother. And it's time America. Do this for your-self, and your children's future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don't want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-self.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama's. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

Hillary Clinton has been out manned, out gunned, and out spent 2 and 3 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON'T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket now! Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

I think Barack Obama has a once in a life time chance to make the ultimate historic gesture for unity, and change in America by accepting Hillary Clinton's offer as running mate. Such an act now would for ever seal Barack Obama's place at the top of the list of Americas all time great leaders, and unifiers for all of history. But the time to act is soon.

The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton's have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton's. Only the Clinton's are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

"This is not a game" (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/04/us/politics/04florida.htm
Seeking an Edge, Florida Changes Its Primary Date
By ABBY GOODNOUGH
Published: May 4, 2007

MIAMI, May 3 -- Casting more uncertainty over the presidential nominating process for 2008, the Florida Legislature on Thursday moved the state's primary up to Jan. 29, ignoring the threat of sanctions from the national Republican and Democratic parties.

Political leaders here hope it will give Florida, the most populous swing state, a bigger role in choosing presidential nominees.

Under Democratic Party rules, the candidates can also be penalized, losing the delegates they won in the rule-breaking state.

But Florida officials scoffed at those threats, calling the conventions little more than a formality.

"We have people who get invited to a big party where they drop a balloon and people wear funny hats," said Marco Rubio, speaker of the State House of Representatives. "But they don't have any role to play."

"At the end of the day," said Mr. Rubio, a Republican, "the truth of the matter is that the nominee of either party is going to want to make sure they have not offended the big donors and the biggest activists in the most important state in the country that is electorally available."

The Florida House voted UNANIMOUSLY to move it up on Thursday, a week after the Senate approved the measure.

dyinglikeflies,

You said:

"And after Pennsylvania, he (Obama) may not be ahead by much if at all. Florida and Michigan can break the deadlock. As of now, he simply has not won and can't win. If Florida and Michigan re-votes, he will either win or lose. All the tactics in the world short of actually winning will not give Obama or Clinton the nomination. Let's do this sooner rather than later. Whoever wins, wins, and we can all finally shut up."

Let me deal with this point by point:

1. "And after Pennsylvania, he (Obama) may not be ahead by much if at all."
Pure Clinton Camp Fantansy! Obama has a 163 pledged delegate lead right now according to Real Clear Politics. If she wins 60% of the 158 available delegates in PA, that would net her 32 delegates (95 to 63), and his lead would be 131. Even if you throw her current 36 superdelegate lead in there his lead would be 95 delegates. So, how exactly is 131 pledged delegates and 95 overall delegates "not much" of a lead, "if at all"?

2. "Florida and Michigan can break the deadlock. As of now, he simply has not won and can't win."
Since there won't be a deadlock after PA (as I've shown above), the most Florida and Michigan could do is get her closer, not "break the deadlock". And how is it he "can't win" in Michigan, a state where his name wasn't on the ballot of their Soviet-style primary and where he didn't campaign at all. Some polls have shown him very close in Michigan. Rasmussen has it even as of March 7.

3. "If Florida and Michigan re-votes, he will either win or lose."
I will grant you this profound point.

4. "All the tactics in the world short of actually winning will not give Obama or Clinton the nomination."
I agree, but if one candidate had the most delegates, votes and states, would you consider that candidate the winner? I would, and unless Clinton can win 60+% in every remaining state, that candidate will be Obama, who has a 700,000 overall vote edge right now and has won 26 states to Clinton's 14.

5. "Let's do this sooner rather than later. Whoever wins, wins, and we can all finally shut up."
Again, I don't know how to counter this impeccable logic, but I think you might be a bit disappointed about who the "winning winner" will be when all primaries and caucuses are completed, including Florida and Michigan. Barring a 60+% performance by Clinton in EVERY REMAINING STATE, Obama will lead in votes and pledged delegates (he's already wrapped up the most states). Since she's only done 60+% in Arkansas, the likelihood of that is remote at best.

Since most Clinton supporters seem mathematically challenged, I'm not expecting you to buy my arguments.

But take the word of someone who isn't so mathematically challenged. The only way for Clinton to win is to steal the nomination via superdelegates. I have a better chance of overtaking Obama on pledged delegates and total votes than she does.

Hillary Clinton... We will fight you in the streets... we will fight you in the hills ... we will fight you everywhere !

-Democratic Grass Roots - Organizing against Clinton's - Campaign against America.

We will FIGHT YOU Everywhere !

EVERYWHERE !

"We think that's the kind of political maneuvering and calculation that voters are tired of" - he who says that to CNN today should ask for the will of the citizens of Michigan and Florida.

To me it seems impossible to rob 5 000 000 citizens in two states their right to vote.

In a developed country it should be a comprehensive goal (law) that everybody who are allowed to vote must be given that posssibility - whoever the candidates are.

To oposse such a procedure is "maneuvering and calculation"!

TEST

"Eager to be able to claim victory in Michigan and Ohio"

attn editor: change to "Michigan and Florida"

HRC is desperate....esp after losing another super from NY. :)

Many of these posts just prove one republican talking point to be true...

racism is not a partisan issue...

...still on JakeD?

Going shamelessly negative over six weeks may even be a strfetch for the Hillary camp, especially with most of he "Bomb Throwers" either gone or or on probation. Of course since she is "Ready on Day One" perhaps we will get to see some of that administration leadership from her, to try and make her campaign relevant. I just don't know how the Hillary camp will deal with themselves over such a long period. It will be interesting to see if the Tax Returns and White House Papers will appear.

These absolutely should not be seated unless split in half and superdelegates removed. None of the candidates at the time got a chance to really campaign there, although Hillary did a bit of schmoozing. It would still be a wrong outcome. Hillary keeps changing the rules, moving the goalposts...disgusting.

Everytime Billary opens her mouth, I get a headache. On her campaign website right now - on "The Fact Hub" link (quotes intentional) http://facts.hillaryhub.com/
She is talking about how Barack Obama co-sponsored a mail-in ballot initiative. On that page, she gives links so that you, too, can enjoy reading about the initiative. But, the point of her "fact" (again, quotes intentional) is to say that now Senator Obama thinks that there could be issues with mail-in balloting - if that is what is decided to do with Michigan and Florida. OK - so a person cannot have reservations about a particular aspect of an initiative, even though he believes in the initiative itself? For the love of God, people! One of the pundits said it best yesterday - we cannot even guarantee that an 'in-person' re-vote in Florida would be secure, how in the world are they going to setup the systems and procedures to guarantee that a mail-in re-vote would be secure AND accurate!
Please don't elect Billary the two-faced monster!

Perry Bacon Jr. wrote: "Eager to be able to claim victory in Michigan and Ohio, Hillary's Clinton campaign is aggressively pushing Barack Obama to reach an agreement for a re-vote in those states ..."

Um, Mr. Bacon? I think you mean "Michigan and Florida".

Oy.

Go ahead and divvy up the pledged delegate of both MI and FL. Just break it out evenly and then get them seated, BUT the superdelegates who caused this whole mess must be stripped.

The MI and FL superdelegates, elected officials who approved moving up the primary date, cannot be seated or they will be rewarded for causing this fiasco. It is their fault and they should pay for it. The consequence being they are stripped and don't get seated.

This is fair, seat pledge delegates equally between Obama and Clinton thus allowing the voters to have their say and punish the appropriate parties.

I think that it's bizarre that the Clinton campaign tries to respond to Obama's assertion that he has won a broader coalition of diverse voters by saying:

"the path to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue goes through Pennsylvania, so if Barack Obama can't win there, how will he the general election?"

That statement makes absolutely no sense whatsoever in two respects. one rather simple one, and one that is a slight bit more complex.
1. The Pennsylvaina primary has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that the white house's address is on Pennsylvania Avenue.
2. The Clinton campaign asserts that because HRC has won so many of the important election swing states, then she would be the one to beat John McCain in the general election. However, I believe the raw numbers of the election at this moment prevent HRC from sufficiently satisfying a majority of the populace; if she were to somehow attain the democratic nomination without the greatest number of pledged delegates and the fewest votes significant numbers of voters might feel as if their nominee was swept away by the political system. It might mean that this upcoming election will be drasticially different from any election previous.

I am an Obama supporter, but I would vote for Hillary Clinton if she is the democratic nominee for president.

Either way, I'm going to have fun watching it all happen.

I repeat... why replace GW Bush with GW Clinton???

It's not a secret that the only way she can win the nomination is on a technicality - the superdelegates - a rule intended to be a tie breaker. However, there is no tie. Obama is leading on all fronts (# of contents, %age of popular votes) and is closing the superdelegate lead.

The likelihood of HRC winning the popular vote might be technically possible but not logically so.

The last person to willingly accept a win without the popular vote was Bush. And look where that got us!

hint hint

Obama doesn't have much of a choice. He doesn't have enough delegates to win and unless he can threaten or blackmail Clinton-leaning superdelegates to break away, he can't close this deal. And after Pennsylvania, he may not be ahead by much if at all. Florida and Michigan can break the deadlock. As of now, he simply has not won and can't win. If Florida and Michigan re-votes, he will either win or lose. All the tactics in the world short of actually winning will not give Obama or Clinton the nomination. Let's do this sooner rather than later. Whoever wins, wins, and we can all finally shut up.

Perhaps Barack HUSSEIN Obama wants a re-vote in Ohio too? Why can't every State that voted after Florida and Michigan wait for the new results and then demand a re-vote too? This is a mess!

Talk about "Double Talk"

We should Honor the Vote-OR, hold new Primary Elections, because EVERY Vote should Count*

* Unless, we want to Re-Count, or Not Count, or count with no representation, or....;~)

Maybe Barack HUSSEIN Obama wants a re-vote in Ohio?

Clinton gets some great news in Pennsylvania, where she is ahead by a quite massive 19%. Link: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2008/03/wednesday-polls-clinton-way-ahead-in-pa.html

Indeed, Hillary has several challenges, as we all know, which also show through her web statistics against Barack;

Hillary vs. Barack:
The Google Factor...

http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=57

She has the proving to do. Then again, these states would help her and a big win in PA could be possible.

When did grasping at straws become a reasonable campaign strategy.

Florida and Michigan should be able to re-vote, but even if they do, and even if Hillary wins in PA, she still will likely be behind in votes, delegates, and states won.

She needs to, right now, establish how she can win the nomination. Or get out of the race and stop killing the Democratic party.

The media's insistence that she remains a viable candidate is absurd. What is her path to victory? Under what circumstances will she step aside? These questions need to be answered, for the good of the Democratic party and the good of the country.