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Obama and Casey's Mutually Helpful Friendship

By Shailagh Murray
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Hopefully Ted Kennedy isn't the jealous type, because it looks like Barack Obama has a new best friend: Sen. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania.

Their weekend road show across the Keystone State stopped at factories, hot dog stands, sports bars and bowling alleys, where the two kept score as "Bar" and "Bob." The freshmen senators played basketball, milked cows in matching new Timberland boots, and shared the stage here Sunday at Penn State University before 22,000 cheering fans.

Casey's surprise endorsement last week brightened what had been a bleak electoral landscape for Obama in Pennsylvania. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton remains the clear favorite to win the state, but this is an alliance that looks beyond the April 22 primary and it could yield dividends for both men.

For Obama, Casey is the gatekeeper to the older, working-class, white voters who form the core of the Clinton constituency and who must turn out strongly in November for Obama, should he emerge as the Democratic nominee. These so-called "Casey Democrats" revered Casey's late father, former governor Bob Casey Sr., and helped Casey Jr. easily defeat Republican Sen. Rick Santorum in 2006.

For Casey, Obama's base of college students, African Americans and upper-income voters are vital to broadening the 47-year-old former state auditor's appeal beyond the smokestack set, should he run again for governor. In 2002, Casey lost a bitter Democratic primary battle with Edward Rendell, the former Philadelphia mayor, for his father's old job. Rendell won the general election and now backs Clinton in the Democratic presidential race.

Before Casey endorsed Obama, "I didn't know anything about him," said Penn State student Molly O'Rourke. An Obama volunteer, O'Rourke, 19, grew up Philadelphia, and this is her first foray into politics. But now, she said, Casey also is on her radar screen.

Casey's presence eased what could have been some awkward moments during a weekend of small events and spontaneous drop-bys through the Clinton heartland of western Pennsylvania. At the Altoona, Pa., bowling alley, Obama rolled a gutter ball on his first try - but so did Casey. The two worked the lanes to greet locals, even crashing Sweet 16 and birthday parties to say hello.

"I think it's wonderful he came," said Jean Montgomery, 57, co-owner of the Pleasant Valley Recreation Center. "He's very friendly. ... Probably now that he came in, I will support him."

The camaraderie between Casey and Obama is not surprising. They are about the same age, they both have daughters, and they represent a new generation of lawmakers in Washington who are less ideologically rigid than their forebears.

Like his father, Casey is staunchly pro-life. Bob Casey Sr. refused to endorse Bill Clinton in 1992 over the issue of abortion and was denied a speaking role at the Democratic convention as a result. His son, however, does not view Roe v. Wade as a political litmus test. "If you talk about only one issue, that's going to prevent you from solving a lot of problems," he said in an interview.

Obama spoke gushingly of Casey at the Penn State rally: "He is not just smart, not just dedicated, not just hardworking -- one of the finest senators we have -- but he's also a decent, moral, kind person, and you don't always find that in politics."

Casey, low-key and serious around the Capitol, sounded dazzled by his new friend: "I've been around politics my whole life. I've been through some rough, rough politics. And I must say, he's inspired me."

Other than his father, Casey added, "I've never believed in any national politician like this, not even close."

That doesn't mean Obama will win Pennsylvania. The primary may not even be close, Casey said, given the Clintons' deep roots in the state. "Hillary Clinton chaired several health care hearings here in 1993. Think about it -- that's almost a generation ago," said Casey. "But the reaction at that bowling alley, it was intense. People really wanted to meet him."

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Majorteddy - you're obviously mistaking Al Qaeda and terrorists with all of Islam. Grow a brain.

Posted by: T | April 22, 2008 1:21 PM

I'm not worried about Obama beating John McCain. Obama will beat him 60-40 - and that's my prediction after all the Republican mudslinging.

Posted by: Jeanie | April 14, 2008 1:45 AM

From 'The Audacity Of Hope, "I WILL STAND WITH THE MUSLIMS should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
From The Audacity Of Hope, "WE ARE NO LONGER JUST A CHRISTIAN NATION," "WE ARE ALSO a Jewish nation, A MUSLIM NATION, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers." Obama is telling us plainly that he APPROVES of Islam. DENY THAT HE ISN'T! He tells us how proud he is of his brother who converted to Islam!!
(by the way, his brother is a radical Islamic in Africa!) He tells us that he looked to his stepfather for guidance and that he was a MUSLIM. He tells us blatantly that HE WILL STAND WITH THE MUSLIMS*************BRAVO!.....the truth is raising its ugly head finally against Obama.IS ANYONE LISTENING????......Let me add a little tidbit more of truth! .... Obama declares he's not a muslim cause he's belonged to a Christian Church for 20 years......A church that preaches hate for the U.S. & for anyone who is not of their race or beliefs......Now this is a church that gladly accepts practicing muslims as members without having to denounce Islam. Islam has declared they will destroy All Christian Nations.....Obama sat right next to muslims screaming God Damn America ... for 20 years, his children were forced to sit & listen to these indoctrines their entire lives.(are they allowed to think for themselves, or have they been brainwashed like good muslim females)? Obama's wife has stated shes hated the U.S. but NOW if you vote for her husband & make her first lady, she'll start to like it better. They refuse to denounce their mentor & pastor because they cannot do so with a clear conscience? They have a new pastor who spouts the same hatred & racism the old one did. Obama now states that he would have left the church if the old pastor hadn't retired ...... but his pastor & mentor is still a member of the church board & can preach whenever & whatever he chooses.....Has he really retired or is he just staying out of the limelight for a while? Obama knows this & yet he still sits in the same pew listening to the same phew that is taught there.....Let me see now, ASK HIM THE QUESTION "WHY ARE YOU STILL IN THAT CHURCH..YOU SAID YOU'D LEAVE?" Now this is the family that wants to be our First Family...they want you to believe in their honesty & integrity? They want to change this country BUT INTO WHAT? WHO ARE & WHAT ARE THE OBAMA FAMILY .... What do they really stand for?????? Anyone who dares to ask him anything that might harm his political career or steer people in the direction of a little truth, are just dismissed with the "you're just a racist". He & his supporters claims him to be half white & half black...(where did the 43.75%Arab go?).... Methinks that even Pepe le Phew (spell?) would say this black/white man stinks & as my Cherokee & Choctaw ancestors would say..He speaks with a forked tonque!!!!!!! Any US Native American who caused hardship for the tribe was kicked out of the tribe, exiled forever!......Maybe we should take a page out of history & do as our ancestors did in times such as these????

Posted by: CarolTate2 | April 1, 2008 5:46 AM

Hillary===solve the Health care crisis=pay the premiums for your campaign workers that have gone unpaid for two months.

Posted by: majorteddy | March 31, 2008 7:37 PM

ON BEING MANIPULATED

A select group of graduates of Harvard, Yale, and Princeton plus fewer graduates of other universities like Georgetown and the University of Pennsylvania dominates our real government, the elite members of the financial/industrial/military complex, CEO's of multinational corporations, and some religious sects. These are the power mongers who have the money and connections to elect their people to public office and to control them after they are sworn into office; their alto ego is the mainstream media.

It seems obvious that they will take all steps necessary to elect the candidate they can best control once in office. They are hawks, that is where the money is, so it is obvious that none of the candidates are going to campaign on the promise to bring the troops home. They are the pharmaceuticals so it is obvious that they will favor the candidate whose projected plans least intrude on their profit margins. They are imperialists if not outright neocons so they are going to support the candidate that most supports globalization. They are not patriots in the sense of supporting the Constitution, international treaties, in short, the rule of law, so they are not interested in a candidate who if elected would honor his or her oath of office, to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution.

If one studiously studies the support, direct or by inference, that the mainstream media is giving to a candidate, by either support or demonization, it is obvious that the least desirable in their mind is Senator Clinton.

For those who note that Senator Clinton went to Yale, she, like most of the students who were admitted for reasons other than family heritage, was not a member of the inner circle, secret societies like the Skull and Crossbones to which so many of the power mongers belonged.

Posted by: Anonymous | March 31, 2008 06:56 PM

Posted by: marrobcastle | March 31, 2008 7:08 PM

Disclaimer: I think Hillary would be a horrible president. She made the wrong call on Iraq, she has no qualms about bending the truth when it suits her, and she ran her own presidential campaign into bankruptcy way back in January, the first month of primary season. Not someone I want as commander-in-chief, not someone I want representing our country, and not someone I want in charge of our nation's economy.

HAVING SAID THAT... In the last few days I have come to hope that she will stay in the race. Hillary Clinton has worked very hard to discredit Senator Obama and to turn her supporters against the Democratic Party. The result is that many of Clinton's supporters are convinced that Barack Obama is the devil and that John McCain would make a much better president. This is why I want her to stay in the race: she needs to hang on until she is fully, 100% discredited. Until it is blatantly obvious that she is acting purely out of personal ambition. Until she becomes such a longshot that even her most tenacious supporters are embarrassed for her. I want her to stay in the race so that she can make increasingly desperate moves: tales of her Bosnian heroism were the start, but there are preliminary signs that she's starting to play the gender card by having her surrogates launch accusations of sexism. She needs to become desperate to the point of foolishness, then she needs to make ridiculous excuses for why she didn't win, and then she needs to concede gracelessly.

In short, she needs to stay in the game until she has completely discredited herself, so that after she is gone her former supporters will question the things she told them: that Barack is worthless, that McCain would be a good president. The Democratic Party can still come together -- it can come together over the smouldering remains of Hillary Clinton's political reputation.

So you go, Hillary. Run like you've never run before. Launch your "kitchen sink" attacks. Convince your donors to threaten Pelosi. Tell your supporters to vote Republican. Regale us with war stories from Bosnia. And whine about how the mean old boys won't let you be president. Don't hold back. Simple failure is not good enough -- you need to go out in a blaze of inglorious silliness, and you seem to be making every effort to do so. More power to you.

Posted by: fjfjdvdv | March 31, 2008 3:44 PM

DON'T BE DUPED !!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. "Carpe diem" (harvest the day).

I think Hillary Clinton see's a beautiful world of plenty for all. She is a woman, and a mother. And it's time America. Do this for your-selves, and your children's future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don't want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama's. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

Hillary Clinton has been out manned, out gunned, and out spent 2 and 3 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON'T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

I think Barack Obama has a once in a life time chance to make the ultimate historic gesture for unity, and change in America by accepting Hillary Clinton's offer as running mate. Such an act now would for ever seal Barack Obama's place at the top of the list of Americas all time great leaders, and unifiers for all of history.

The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton's have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton's. Only the Clinton's are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

"This is not a game" (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith...

Posted by: JackSmith1 | March 31, 2008 2:29 PM

YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT:-)

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)

Best regards

jacksmith...

Posted by: JackSmith1 | March 31, 2008 2:28 PM

Hey Planner..since you are apparently a Clinton campaign plant..try these..

It's refreshingly nice to see the better angels of America's character prevailing as voters reject the racial, religious and ethnic slurs being spewed by the divisive supporters of Clinton, Limbaugh and Hannity.
The campaign manager also mentioned a recent "60 Minutes" interview in which Clinton said Obama wasn't a Muslim "as far as I know." "She has shared prayer breakfasts with Sen. Obama and knows without a shadow of a doubt that he is a Christian," Plouffe said. "These kinds of evasions and misleading of voters causes a real 'character gap.'"
The Clinton family - Bill, Hillary and Chelsea will soon be in a Los Angeles court facing corruption and fraud charges themselves. Most of her campaign donors - Norman Hsu, David Rosen, Mauricio Celis, Richard "Dickie" Scruggs, Chinese arms dealer Wang Jun, Grigory Lutchansky, drug dealer Jorge Cabrera, Abdul Rehman Jinnah, are in jail or indicted, she will be next. What about the 'Clintons' Multi-Million Dollar Dubai Conflict -of-Interest Bill's $20 million payoff from the United Arab Emirates. This is one of the reasons she refused to release her tax returns.
"Senator Clinton twice met with Denise Rich at charity events in October and Nov. 2000, at a time when Rich was seeking pardon for her billionaire ex-husband Marc Rich, partner of Viktor Bout (the merchant of death, who had fled the U.S.on tax charges. Clinton pardoned Rich in the last hours of his administration in Jan. 2001 without the customary approval of the Justice Department. Is this her foreign policy experience? Will Hillary "reject" contributions or compensation from persons she pardons unlike her husband Bill. Like Rich and associates of her brother Hugh Rodham.
KOSOVO: "I negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo."
Robert Gelbard, who was presidential envoy to the Balkans at the time offers an opposing view.
"I cannot recall any involvement by Senator Clinton in this issue," he said. "The person who was able to get the border opened was Mrs. Sadako Ogata," the U.N. high commissioner for refugees. Gelbard said he had questioned other U.S. officials directly involved and none remembered involvement by Clinton.
There were no public reports at the time of Clinton negotiating to keep the border open.
CHINA: "I've been standing up to the Chinese government over women's rights." referring to a speech she gave at a U.N. Conference on Women in Beijing in 1995. Some standing up..She did not even mention china . Today China is not only a leading contributor to environmental pollution and global warming, it's also pushing up oil and other commodity prices, taking our jobs and stealing our intellectual property. What has Hillary said for the last 16 years.
Nancy Pelosi did stand up to China, recently condemning their atrocious behavior in Tibet and meeting the Dahli Lama.

When did Hillary Clinton during her 8 years in the Senate deliver health-care reform, or demonstrate her economic wisdom and foresight while Alan Greenspan was warning of irrational exuberance as the subprime housing loans were created. The stock market crashed in March 2000 while her husband was in office, and from which it has not fully recovered.. Where was she and her judgment and experience? Or when her husband supported China's entry into the World Trade Organization without any conditions such as protecting the environment or labor and property rights to levels that are comparable to western standards?
"Why would the Clintons' traditional adversaries in the public policy debate arena, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, now embrace Hillary Clinton and support her as the Democratic Party's nominee?
The Clintons would have us believe that Hillary and Bill have been thoroughly vetted. If that were true, then why don't we have answers for:
FOREIGN: How will Hillary know whether Bill's advice serves U.S. interests or the interests of his Russian, Chinese, Indian, Kazakhstan, Dubai, Qatar, Kuwait, Oman or Brunei clients?
MONEY: My question is why has no one questioned Hillary's relationship with Peter Paul during the 2000 Senate Election, and ongoing California Lawsuit involving the same matter. Not to mention her relationship with Norman Hsu. And Bill's funny chinese money connections during his campaigns.
Do the tax records for the Clintons and the Clinton Foundation, Clinton Library and Clinton campaign show a proper accounting for the sources and uses of funds?Assailing the Clintons' refusal so far to release any recent tax returns or the names of donors to the William J. Clinton Presidential Library, Plouffe asked, "What are the Clintons scared of? Why won't they release this information? ... What's lurking there?"
PARDONS: Will Hillary "reject" contributions or compensation from persons she pardons unlike her husband Bill who accepted contributions from Marc Rich, partner of Viktor Bout (the merchant of death), and her brother Hugh Rodham who accepted compensation from drug lords who were pardoned by Bill?
If experience, wisdom and judgment may be relied upon to judge a presidential candidate's abilities to solve problems, then let's look at the records of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.
2007 - While Barack Obama promoted a restoration of balance between work and wealth and criticized special interests for distorting U.S. tax codes, Hillary Clinton and her husband liquidated their blind trust of the nearly $50 million amassed during their years in public office.
2002 - While Barack cautioned that without clear rationale an invasion of Iraq would encourage the worst impulses of the Arab world and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda, Hillary told Larry King she didn't regret her vote on the Iraq war resolution because like the Bush administration, the Clinton administration viewed Saddam Hussein as a threat to the international community.
1999 - While Barack secured bipartisan support for health-care reform and passage of low-income tax credits and child care subsidies in the Illinois legislature, Hillary supported her husband's Iraq "regime change" policy in order to divert public attention from the president's marital, legal and ethical infidelities.
1989 - While Barack Obama served as the Harvard Law Review's first black president, Hillary Clinton then wife of the Arkansas governor received payments from a law firm that was doing the state's business and received board of director payments from Wal-Mart where she remained silent about Wal-Mart's anti-labor union practices.
1979 - While Barack Obama was actively involved in the South African divestment movement to end apartheid, Hillary reaped profits of almost 10,000% in the futures markets and left taxpayers with her real-estate losses in the Savings & Loan bailout.
When political and military judgment mattered most to U.S. military personnel and the American people, John McCain and Hillary Clinton failed as U.S. Senators to demonstrate any commander-in-chief qualities when without competent questioning, they both accepted the faulty intelligence used to justify the Iraq war and misjudged the Bush administration's competencies to lead the war.
Barack Obama on the other hand demonstrated his superior judgment and commander-in-chief qualities when he took an unpopular position and cautioned that without clear rationale an invasion of Iraq would encourage the worst impulses of the Arab world and strengthen Al Qaeda's recruitment.
Now, John McCain advocates maintaining U.S. troops in Iraq indefinitely which does little to incentivize the Iraqi government to deliver the political reforms needed to promote civil unity whereas Barack Obama's threat to withdraw U.S. troops is an incentive for the Iraqi government to deliver the necessary reforms

This would be just the beginning of November for her. In fact maybe her next Senate race. Look forward to the next Clintonista propaganda.

Posted by: patrick2020 | March 31, 2008 1:11 PM

TO: "the planner"
She claimed "I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland."
In fact, this claim comes from a time she was invited to attend one meeting of a cross-community womens' group that had been meeting regularly for nearly two decades. She gave a brief speech, left, and now claims to have brought these women together. Far from helping them, she is trying to claim credit for what they did. They brought themselves together years before Hillary had even heard of Northern Ireland.

Everyone in Britain finds Hillary's claims either laughable or offensive.
Here are the words of David Trimble, who won a NOBEL PEACE PRIZE for his work in ending the Troubles:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml
Nobel winner: Hillary Clinton's 'silly' Irish peace claims
'Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province.

"I don't know there was much she did apart from accompanying Bill [Clinton] going around," he said. Her recent statements about being deeply involved were merely "the sort of thing people put in their canvassing leaflets" during elections. "She visited when things were happening, saw what was going on, she can certainly say it was part of her experience. I don't want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player."'
She was not directly involved in negotiating the Good Friday peace accord.
Former Democratic Sen. George Mitchell, who brokered the peace accord, who is neutral in the presidential race.said "She was one of many people who participated in encouraging women to get involved, not the only one."

But others in Northern Ireland say Clinton overstates her role.
"The road to peace was carefully documented, and she wasn't on it," says Brian Feeney, an author and former leading Belfast politician from the same party as Hume.

HEY PLANNER...like most of your posts, you seem to have Hillarys ability to stretch the truth at best, and be outright dishonest at times...that is why she is behind...of course you support her.

Posted by: patrick2020 | March 31, 2008 12:20 PM

African-American superdelegates said Thursday that they'll stand up against threats, intimidation and "Uncle Tom" smears rather than switch their support from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton to Sen. Barack Obama.

"African-American superdelegates are being targeted, harassed and threatened," said Rep. Emanuel Cleaver II (D-Mo.), a superdelegate who has supported Clinton since August. Cleaver said black superdelegates are receiving "nasty letters, phone calls, threats they'll get an opponent, being called an Uncle Tom.

"This is the politics of the 1950s," he complained. "A lot of members are experiencing a lot of ugly stuff. They're not going to talk about it, but it's happening."

After civil rights icon Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) switched his support from Clinton to Obama earlier this week, other black superdelegates have come under renewed pressure to do a similar about-face. A handful have bowed to the entreaties in recent weeks, including Georgia Rep. David Scott, but many say they are steadfast in their support for Clinton and resent strong-arm tactics to make them change.

Rep. Diane E. Watson (D-Calif.), a black lawmaker and Clinton backer, said the intense lobbying for Obama would not alter her vote.

"I've gotten threatening mail," Watson said. "They say, 'Your district went 61-29 Obama and you need to change.' But I don't intimidate. I can hold the ground. ... I would lose my seat over my principles."

Neither Watson nor Cleaver faces a strong reelection threat at this time. Cleaver's Kansas City-area district narrowly supported Obama in Missouri's Feb. 5 primary.

Black superdelegates are getting heavy pressure from such groups as ColorOfChange.org, a grass-roots organization whose members overwhelmingly support Obama.

"Some [Congressional Black Caucus] members are threatening to vote against their constituents, and perhaps against the will of the American people, by casting their superdelegate vote for Sen. Clinton," the ColorOfChange.org website reads. "We can prevent this from happen by letting black leadership know we're watching."

But Watson said that she could not see switching her vote simply because Obama is black.

"I don't support one type of person above all others. How would that message resonate with Koreatown?" she asked. Watson's Central Los Angeles district is 35 percent Latino, 30 percent black and 12 percent Asian-American, including many Korean-Americans.

The Clinton campaign, for its part, has been working hard to keep its superdelegates on board. On a conference call with reporters Thursday afternoon, Clinton adviser Harold Ickes said he and campaign manager Maggie Williams had "spent a lot of time talking to our superdelegates over the past week," and that they are "holding fast."

The Clinton camp released a statement Thursday touting the defection of Obama supporter Veronica Escobar after polls in Texas, Escobar's home state, showed Clinton leading among registered Hispanic voters by 62 to 21 percent.

Rep. Gregory W. Meeks (D-N.Y.), a Black Caucus member, said he is still "very strong" for Clinton even in the wake of Lewis's turnaround. He was unmoved by discord in his Queens district, which backed Obama in the New York primary.

"Some people threw out flyers. That doesn't faze me at all. If someone wants to run against me, that's democracy," he said. "Sen. Obama is a very inspirational person. People in the district are proud. I'm proud. You can't not be proud being an African-American... But I have to do overall what's in the best interests of my district."

Cleaver questioned why white superdelegates such as Massachusetts Sens. Edward M. Kennedy and John F. Kerry weren't being targeted to support Clinton after she carried their state.

"If white people were being harassed and threatened because they were not supporting a white candidate, we'd see headlines," he said.

Cleaver said he did not believe the Obama campaign was behind the disturbing e-mails and phone calls he has received.

"I refuse to believe that Sen. Obama gave orders for something like this to happen. This is a contradiction of the new politics that Sen. Obama is running on," he said. "My fear is with all of the nastiness, we're going to have a whole lot of kissing and making up to do as a party."

Editor's note: This story has been updated to reflect the fact that Veronica Escobar is not a superdelegate. The story has also been updated to reflect the fact that while a majority of ColorOfChange.org's members support Barack Obama, the organization has not endorsed him.

Posted by: artysmarty | March 31, 2008 12:01 PM

REV. WRIGHT'S THEOLOGY IS FUNDAMENTALLY RACIST:
The "theology" that Wright teaches at his church is nothing like Christianity as most people understand it. The brand of theology which Wright has been teaching Obama and the others at his church is called "black liberation theology." Wright admits this and it is stated on the church's website. Black theology is based upon the premise of the white oppressor against the black oppressed. This is why, for example, that Wright refers to Jesus as black, and his killers as white. This is the only way the story of Jesus fits within this brand of "theology." Rev. Wright cites James Cone, another proponent of black liberation theology, as his theological inspiration. Here are just a couple of James Cone's quotes: (1) "To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people." (2) "While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism." (3) "All white men are responsible for white oppression." (4) "Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil." (5) "If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it." (6) "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love." *** These teachings are fundamentally racist and divisive. Obama has chosen to belong to this racist church for 20 years, and now because of exposure by the press, he tries to fool the American public once again.

Posted by: theplanner | March 31, 2008 10:23 AM

"all you young people who call us evangelical christians a pain in the butt had better check out this obama's religeon. black liberation theology. and it don't include white libs. don't get fooled."
Posted by: 12thgenamerican

Black Liberation doesn't mean white enslavement, if that's what you're getting at. And White Liberation makes no sense, considering whites have had the whip hand for 400 years. Moreover, evangelicals put the Bush administration into power and gave him both houses of Congress and the current Supreme Court. And you supposedly had God on your side. But even with God's help, all you did what screw up, big time. So who's the fool? Anyone heeding your words definitely would be,

Posted by: edwcorey | March 31, 2008 9:58 AM

Oh God I cannot stop laughing at this silly
looney toons Barack Hussein Obams and Casey
Bowling Tour,Cow Milking Exhibiition,even
dining with Barry,as this looks like Obama
must have put Windsurfer John Kerry in
charge of Obama's New Campaign Style. And
so,can expect to see a Barack Obama and
Windsurfer John Kerry Going Windsurfing
together with each other and will Barack
Obama and John Kerry be going hunting
Together real soon as well? Oh well anyone
remember the results after John Kerry did
his famous Windsurfer gig and his phony
hunting deal,now then? John Kerry Lost!
So Hillary Stick Around Obama is really
getting desperate,expecting Howard Dean,
Nutso Nancy Pelosi,John Kerry,Teddy Lush
Kennedy and Bill Judas Richardson to save
his butt! Obama needs to drop out! And
Liar Crooked Con Artist Barack Obama also
needs to resign from tne US Senate too.
So all you Toxic Obama Kool Aid Cultists
Get Used Saying President Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: redheadclaudine | March 31, 2008 8:08 AM

Typical Obama supporter;

"Gee, I didn't know anything about him until I saw him on The Tube. He's so coool!!!"

Yeah, she's the change we've been waiting for.

Posted by: dyend | March 31, 2008 5:59 AM

Before Casey endorsed Obama, "I didn't know anything about him," said Penn State student Molly O'Rourke.
----

Classic doofus Obama supporter.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 31, 2008 2:40 AM

Before Casey endorsed Obama, "I didn't know anything about him," said Penn State student Molly O'Rourke.
----

Classic doofus Obama supporter.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 31, 2008 2:40 AM

you're not going to get a balanced, civil debate


when the CIA is involved.

READ THIS BOOK on NATIONS BREAKING...

you're living in one...

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man:

How the U.S. Uses Globalization to Cheat Poor Countries Out of Trillions


JOHN PERKINS: Basically what we were trained to do and what our job is to do is to build up the American empire. To bring--to create situations where as many resources as possible flow into this country, to our corporations, and our government, and in fact we've been very successful. We've built the largest empire in the history of the world. It's been done over the last 50 years since World War II with very little military might, actually. It's only in rare instances like Iraq where the military comes in as a last resort. This empire, unlike any other in the history of the world, has been built primarily through economic manipulation, through cheating, through fraud, through seducing people into our way of life, through the economic hit men. I was very much a part of that.


so that's basically insider washington,

and don't think the repulsive scammers haven't infiltrated both camps...


you think media , pollsters , support services


don't have agents in them ????


the polarization here says that they do.


there has never been a two term democrat since after WWII


but Bill Clinton.


JFK was assassinated.

Jimmy Carter was backstabbed by the Director of the CIA William Casey, George H.W. Bush before he was elected president, and the current secretary of Defense of all things....Robert M. Gates...

SEARCH on Paris, Iran Contra, Russians, October Surprise, Carter


TREASON, unprosecuted and unpublished


why ???


because the CIA isn't a Carter, Kennedy, or Clinton family tool


Bush Cheney Rumsfeld Wolfowitz have worked together over 50 years


George W. went to school with Wolfowitz, Negroponte and his last appointed Director of the CIA Porter Goss


all of those men have featured heavily in work with his father and the last 7 years...

6 years George W. went without vetoing JACK


think that might have something to do with the ECONOMY COMING APART AT THE SEAMS ?????


indeed.


indeed.

.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 31, 2008 1:39 AM


Posted by: meg54136
Sleep tight in your hood and robe.
----------------

His words not mine dear. My how sensitive you sheep become when the words are turned around. If grandma is a typical white person, is he a typical black person? Typical mulatto person? Offended? You should be - just as thinking people are offended by Obama and his unproud wife.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 31, 2008 1:35 AM

I never realized how racist the African Americans are.
this is what they learn in church and than go out and steal, kill, carjack, deal drugs
what a great education from wright and company.
we cannot bring the ghetto to the white house

Posted by: lanny2 | March 31, 2008 1:31 AM

awuh

chicken are yah, can't understand eh?


not got the stuff eh!


all mouth and no brain eh!


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 31, 2008 1:31 AM

Posted by: meg54136
Sleep tight in your hood and robe.
----------------

His words not mine dear. My how sensitive you sheep become when the words are turned around. If grandma is a typical white person, is he a typical black person? Typical mulatto person? Offended? You should be - just as thinking people are offended by Obama and his unproud wife.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 31, 2008 1:31 AM


Posted by: meg54136
Sleep tight in your hood and robe.
----------------

His words not mine dear. My how sensitive you sheep become when the words are turned around. If grandma is a typical white person, is he a typical black person? Typical mulatto person? Offended? You should be - just as thinking people are offended by Obama and his unproud wife.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 31, 2008 1:26 AM

awuh

chicken are yah, can't understand eh?


not got the stuff eh!


all mouth and no brain eh!


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 31, 2008 1:26 AM

awuh

chicken are yah, can't understand eh?


not got the stuff eh!


all mouth and no brain eh!


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 31, 2008 1:16 AM

I never realized how racist the African Americans are.
this is what they learn in church and than go out and steal, kill, carjack, deal drugs
what a great education from wright and company.
we cannot bring the ghetto to the white house

Posted by: lanny2 | March 31, 2008 1:16 AM

Obama not a racist...MY arse... BRED into him perhaps?

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 31, 2008 01:00 AM

Sleep tight in your hood and robe.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 31, 2008 1:09 AM

Obama not a racist...MY arse... BRED into him perhaps?

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 31, 2008 01:00 AM

Sleep tight in your hood and robe.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 31, 2008 1:09 AM

Obama not a racist...MY arse... BRED into him perhaps?

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 31, 2008 01:00 AM

Sleep tight in your hood and robe.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 31, 2008 1:08 AM

here in PA we vote for a president that loves america not a divider that hates whites, jews italian....
VOTE FOR CLINTON OR MCCAIN

Posted by: lanny2 | March 31, 2008 1:00 AM

"The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity," Obama said on WIP. "She doesn't. But she is a typical white person who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, there's a reaction that's been BRED into our experiences that don't go away, and that sometimes comes out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society."

Obama not a racist...MY arse... BRED into him perhaps?

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 31, 2008 1:00 AM

Can't you do any better than that?

Posted by: theplanner | March 31, 2008 12:37 AM

Circular argument? You said But then again I'm not a racist? implying of course that Obama is.

Please thinker, have your fun, but try blowing your putrid smoke up someone else's arse. Your own opinion of your quasi-intellectual debating skills notwithstanding. I'm so impressed.

The only people buying it are your troll brethren. See a_big_one and svreader.


You're so transparent you're bordering on the ridiculous.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 31, 2008 12:57 AM


Here's some irony for you - The Clinton Global Initiative, part of the Clinton Foundation, has secured partnerships for the following initiatives:
$271,000,000.00 over a 5-year period for educational opportunities for 7.5 million children in Africa and Asia.
$40,000,000.00 over 5 years for critical education needs for 3,000,000 girls in Africa.
$12,000,000.00 over 8 years to improve schooling and health outcomes for girls 10-14 in Southern Africa.


Posted by: theplanner | March 30, 2008 08:41 PM

theplanner .... now explain carefully from whom the Clinton Foundation received these funds. Big numbers for a family worth only a million 7 1/2 years ago! Is this why they want to deep 6 the tax returns? What do they owe for all these dollars? Philanthropy isn't free.

Posted by: leftinthesticks | March 31, 2008 12:54 AM

ah, so the goebbels girl,


will fully misinterprets someone elses post,


and calss it "making a point,"


how torll meg.


hehehhehhehhehehhehhehhehehehehehhee


oh my, such a little mewtpoint.

.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 31, 2008 12:44 AM

meg54136: So, your proof that I'm a racist is my opposition to the racism of Rev. Wright. Don't you think that that's a rather circular argument? Can't you do any better than that?

Posted by: theplanner | March 31, 2008 12:37 AM

actually,

there's some interesting stuff out there...
but most really don't have a clue at what they're looking at...

it's sort of like the "Contact" movie with Jodie Foster, where she realizes that the data is coming in embedded with codes...actually it was repeating patterns in four dimensions that had be interpreted that way...

parallel, most people can't think in parallel...

they're all into serial, and even that is divided up into sentences and paragraphs according to the existing syntax...each portion of time has an extension into the language...blah blah blah

predictable cliches,
most people use the same 600 words over and over again in predictable patterns, most people can't follow more than, hold more than seven thought processes coexistently...

it's a limiting factor.

if you learn to flow, to let the world arrange itself, you don't have to hold onto anything, reality arranges itself
you learn to shift focus/attention
you only have "so much" attention, what are you going to spend it on, "the pattern," or "seeing the pattern,"

most people spend it on "the pattern," meeting expectations, staying within the currently accepted standard of behavior, "being right,"

or left or conservative or goth or tatooed or whatever...

patterns to adhere to
just think of me as a human box cutter

gesundheit


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 31, 2008 12:34 AM

Please post one statement from me that you consider racist. I will be waiting. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Posted by: theplanner | March 30, 2008 11:50 PM

How's this for starters:

So what. The fact that Hillary's minister has defended Wright does not change the fact that he's a racist. And, Obama's 20 year close relationship with his racist and anti-American "mentor and spiritual adviser," speaks volumes about his character and judgment. Would you attend a racist church for 20 years and consider its racist minister your "mentor and spiritual adviser?" I know I wouldn't. If I stepped into a church, the first time the pastor made a derogatory statement about "black people" I would be out of there, never to return. But then again, I'm not a racist.

Posted by: theplanner | March 30, 2008 11:17 PM

So your contention is that Obama is a racist? And of course you cloak your racism in obfuscation, projection, and overall lack of comprehension.

I'm a 52 year old white male from Wisconsin, and I don't quite see how your whiny false outrage and subsequent venting of your own racism over 30 second soundbites disqualifies the best presidential candidate I've seen in my lifetime.

You're slightly more slippery than than average republo-troll, but go ahead, vote for McInsane if you want. I sincerely doubt you were voting Democratic anyway.

As far as your name, you should start thinking about what you're going to do after the trolling fees dry up.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 31, 2008 12:33 AM

cantabb is noone....and exert no influence...

he waves his joke that somone else made and says

I am playing too.


how about explaining the relationship between the current US envoy to the UN


and Condoleeza's appointment as Secretary of State.


show some Beeg Boy skills.


show me what o baaaaaaa man is made of .


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 31, 2008 12:31 AM

Sen. Casey..you mean Senator Who? Oh, they probably had to wake him to tell him that the primary is coming up soon. This is the most he has traveled the state himself since he has been elected. What a zero.

I'm sure Obama donated mega-bucks to his campaign committee and made all sorts of promises to him, otherwise he would have had NO other local or state elected officials taking their sorry pictures with him. It would've just been him and the 2 retired running backs...

Even Obama's campaign is a pander-ama. Bowling, hot dog stands and the slinky factory. Ugh. Go back to the Chicago sewer you came from Obama. Lies and pandering...

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 31, 2008 12:28 AM

actuallythose who use labels.

liberal, conservative, neocon, ALCU_as_a_swear_word, dems, repubs
I could care less what you call yourself if you tell me the truth.

you lie to me, I'll take you apart like you were never together...

I get with bored to people that think that the world is _one_ way

(hard to believe I would write that way on purpose, eh?)

when it's multiple things working together simultaneously.

part of the reason that I post the way that I do is because people have to stretch themselves to read it...most find it irritating...too ambiguous, too many half finished ideas...leaves them wondering...stretching
most people can't/couldn't come up with anything significant to post but what someone else said...

that's what adhering to pattern is about...training

you want to dispell the illusion, you penetrate it by destroying the training.

the most significant thing goin on now is that the people are actually beginning to see what they're dealing with...

a group of people using the United States Government as their personal toy...

the military as their rentacops and the people of the United States as their serfs...

that they owe nothing to..

and that's what they'll be paying you for your patriotism....

beleeme
and we still have a chance, it hasn't ended in a screaming nightmare yet...

hopefully, some very _nice_ people will be executed for treason. Some congress people and some members of the executive branch and thepresident/rumsfeld/cheyney/negroponte will go before the Hague on WAR CRIMES...it seems _real_ possible...

and that makes me smile, it's lovely when I smell evile frying...

crisping up
break out the pliers, we'll be eating some long pig afore this month is over....
with greens...


some down home cooking, fried green tomatoes...

.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 31, 2008 12:24 AM

dbolaji: Within your post, you said: A true Christian in Hitler's Germany and in the occupied countries should have defied the false and counterfeit state.

I absolutely agree. That is why we speak out against the racist theology of Rev. Wright. Racism is wrong, no matter who practices it.

Posted by: theplanner | March 31, 2008 12:18 AM

So, it looks like those great Democrat
political experts and losers Teddy Kennedy
and Windsurfer John Kerry as well as this
Sen Casey,with a Windsurfer John Kerry type
Charm Offensive,so now we know OBama cannot
bowl,barely can milk a cow,and that all also makes me wonder,with a John Kerry &
Barack Hussein Obama Hunting Trip be in
the offing and a Winsurfer thingy? And do
the Obama Cultists plan on old lush Teddy
Kennedy giving Obama driving lessons?

Posted by: SherryKay2004 | March 31, 2008 12:17 AM

Hillary is a Huckabee !

Like Huckabee, she too must believe in 'Miracles', rather than 'Math'.

She has a right to believe in that.

She'll stay around till 'math' overtakes 'miracle'.

Bravo, Hillary and Bill !

Posted by: cantabb1 | March 31, 2008 12:16 AM

yeah, I'm really impressed with the versatility of those


obemymanphanaticks...


dey got duh braincells likka dem gomer pyle shuckies...


dey embress me gratelly


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 31, 2008 12:09 AM

Debate as Crabs in a bucket:

A hawaiian friend of mine once pointed out that you could leave crabs in a bucket without the lid on, that they wouldn't get out. "Why?" I said. She said that as soon as one got near the top the others would pull it down to try and stand on top of it. Cooperating a number could have gotten out but, in their zeal to be the first one, no one ever got out.

In a Socratic Dialogue everyone gets out of the bucket.

One thing that is necessary though is to get semantics out of the way first and additionally try to attain a real understanding of how your own personal perception flavored your view of reality and then attempt to determine how our perceptions of realities differed, and adjust for them, or work with them. Doing these things would be imperative in a true discussion, to my way of thinking.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 31, 2008 12:05 AM

Found this somewhere on line, pls. check out the facts..i did. This is a quoted piece.
"When Senator Obama's preacher thundered about racism and injustice Obama suffered smear-by-association. But when my late father -- Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer -- denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr.
Every Sunday thousands of right wing white preachers (following in my father's footsteps) rail against America's sins from tens of thousands of pulpits. They tell us that America is complicit in the "murder of the unborn," has become "Sodom" by coddling gays, and that our public schools are sinful places full of evolutionists and sex educators hell-bent on corrupting children. They say, as my dad often did, that we are, "under the judgment of God." They call America evil and warn of immanent destruction. By comparison Obama's minister's shouted "controversial" comments were mild. All he said was that God should damn America for our racism and violence and that no one had ever used the N-word about Hillary Clinton.
Dad and I were amongst the founders of the Religious right. In the 1970s and 1980s, while Dad and I crisscrossed America denouncing our nation's sins instead of getting in trouble we became darlings of the Republican Party. (This was while I was my father's sidekick before I dropped out of the evangelical movement altogether.) We were rewarded for our "stand" by people such as Congressman Jack Kemp, the Fords, Reagan and the Bush family. The top Republican leadership depended on preachers and agitators like us to energize their rank and file. No one called us un-American.
Consider a few passages from my father's immensely influential America-bashing book A Christian Manifesto. It sailed under the radar of the major media who, back when it was published in 1980, were not paying particular attention to best-selling religious books. Nevertheless it sold more than a million copies.
Here's Dad writing in his chapter on civil disobedience:
If there is a legitimate reason for the use of force [against the US government]... then at a certain point force is justifiable.

And this:

In the United States the materialistic, humanistic world view is being taught exclusively in most state schools... There is an obvious parallel between this and the situation in Russia [the USSR]. And we really must not be blind to the fact that indeed in the public schools in the United States all religious influence is as forcibly forbidden as in the Soviet Union....

Then this:
There does come a time when force, even physical force, is appropriate... A true Christian in Hitler's Germany and in the occupied countries should have defied the false and counterfeit state. This brings us to a current issue that is crucial for the future of the church in the United States, the issue of abortion... It is time we consciously realize that when any office commands what is contrary to God's law it abrogates it's authority. And our loyalty to the God who gave this law then requires that we make the appropriate response in that situation...
Was any conservative political leader associated with Dad running for cover? Far from it. Dad was a frequent guest of the Kemps, had lunch with the Fords, stayed in the White House as their guest, he met with Reagan, helped Dr. C. Everett Koop become Surgeon General. (I went on the 700 Club several times to generate support for Koop).
Dad became a hero to the evangelical community and a leading political instigator. When Dad died in 1984 everyone from Reagan to Kemp to Billy Graham lamented his passing publicly as the loss of a great American. Not one Republican leader was ever asked to denounce my dad or distanced himself from Dad's statements.
Take Dad's words and put them in the mouth of Obama's preacher (or in the mouth of any black American preacher) and people would be accusing that preacher of treason. Yet when we of the white Religious Right denounced America white conservative Americans and top political leaders, called our words "godly" and "prophetic" and a "call to repentance."
We Republican agitators of the mid 1970s to the late 1980s were genuinely anti-American in the same spirit that later Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson (both followers of my father) were anti-American when they said God had removed his blessing from America on 9/11, because America accepted gays. Falwell and Robertson recanted but we never did.
My dad's books denouncing America and comparing the USA to Hitler are still best sellers in the "respectable" evangelical community and he's still hailed as a prophet by many Republican leaders. When Mike Huckabee was recently asked by Katie Couric to name one book he'd take with him to a desert island, besides the Bible, he named Dad's Whatever Happened to the Human Race? a book where Dad also compared America to Hitler's Germany.
The hypocrisy of the right denouncing Obama, because of his minister's words, is staggering. They are the same people who argue for the right to "bear arms" as "insurance" to limit government power. They are the same people that (in the early 1980s roared and cheered when I called down damnation on America as "fallen away from God" at their national meetings where I was keynote speaker, including the annual meeting of the ultraconservative Southern Baptist convention, and the religious broadcasters that I addressed......" it continues...
.

Posted by: dbolaji | March 31, 2008 12:00 AM

I can see there's some real deeply despairing adulationists out there tonight...

selling you their bologna...it's what they do...


they want to be paid. it's what they long for, love, life, caring relationships....not so much...


they want some pink time with Karl Rove...


but, for now, let's examine the context within which much of Washington D.C. is working...


LOOK AT THE LAST PARAGRAPH...


and DO A SEARCH on


BUSH, Walker, MONEY LAUNDERING

In 1953, Bush got money from Brown Brothers Harriman and, with partners Hugh and Bill Liedtke, formed Zapata Petroleum. By the late 1950s they were millionaires. Bush bought subsidiary Zapata Off-Shore from his partners and went into business on his own in 1954. By 1958, the new company was drilling on the Cay Sal Bank in the Eastern Gulf of Mexico. These islands had been leased to Nixon supporter and CIA contractor Howard Hughes the previous year and were later used as a base for CIA raids on Cuba. The CIA was using companies like Zapata to stage and supply secret missions attacking Fidel Castro's Cuban government in advance of the Bay of Pigs invasion. The CIA's codename for that invasion was "Operation Zapata." In 1981, all Securities and Exchange Commission filings for Zapata Off-Shore between 1960 and 1966 were destroyed. In other words, the year Bush became vice president, important records detailing his years at his drilling company disappeared. In 1969, Zapata bought the United Fruit Company of Boston, another company with strong CIA connections.


In 1964, Bush campaigned against the Civil Rights Act. He lost that election but was elected to Congress in 1966 and again in 1968. He was defeated in the race for Senate by Democrat Lloyd Bentsen in 1970.

He served as Gerald Ford's Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) from November 1975 to January 1977. As head the CIA, Bush was answerable only to President Ford. He was supposedly the first CIA "outsider" to hold the agency's top position. During his tenure as DCI he maintained a policy of disinformation and secrecy, despite a public show of cooperation with congressional investigations of CIA abuses such as assassination plots using Mafia hit men. In September 1976, Chilean dissident leader Orlando Letelier was assassinated in Washington D.C. by agents of DINA, Chile's secret police. The CIA knew of such plots, and the two assassins entered the U.S. using fake Paraguayan passports. But the FBI was kept in the dark about this information.

In 1979, the year before he campaigned for the Republican nomination for president, Bush claimed a nuclear war was winnable. Ronald Reagan won the 1980 nomination and chose Bush as his running mate. As vice president, Bush cast three tie-breaking votes to renew chemical weapons production, supported sale of missiles to "terrorist" Iran and the illegal arming of the Nicaraguan contras and other paramilitary groups he called "freedom fighters.


He also chaired The Presidential Task Force on Deregulation which, according to Mary Fricker in her book Inside Job, "set the tone" for bank deregulation which led to the savings and loan financial disaster of the 1980s.


interesting....eh!? sounds a little like subprime mortgages and predatory lending practices...

or Union Banks money laundering of the BUSH families nazi investments in WWII by Allen Dulles, the father of the CIA.


WE THE PEOPLE

pay their salaries, and YET they refuse to do the work that they were hired to do.....

SERVE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

fire them en masse....being a rethuglican is no longer a necessary thing...

let's extinct them....


thank you so much...let's just get rid of them.... 4 evuh.

good idea, the world didn't end, they are not necessary, the work that _they_ do is fill their pockets with the nations money...


bury them....let history eat them.


.
see the difference between me and the "rest of you,"


is I want change and I know how it gets done.

the person doesn't matter to me, their capacity, and capabilities do...


duh Bama man is a function not a manager, he's all interview and no delivery


.I've hired people like him before, because one of my team talked me into it...


that guy never earned his keep, but he did CYA 24/7

as far as he was concerned _that_ was his job, not deliverables.


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 30, 2008 11:54 PM

meg54136: Good thing I ducked, or that race card would have hit me. You truly have picked up a lot from your mentor, Obama. As is common, when Obama fans have no argument, they bring out the race card. It is especially ironic in the case of my posts, because what I am talking about in them is my OPPOSITION to racism. Please post one statement from me that you consider racist. I will be waiting. Thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Posted by: theplanner | March 30, 2008 11:50 PM

It says it's about science but it's really about perception and ideas attached after the fact.......just some new noise

Hi -

you (unknown fellow) wrote:


No. Art, Theology, even Baseball can be a model of the world. Science is
different for other reasons.

I wonder:

Suppose you had a string of material suspended between two points.

Suppose this string was spinning at a constant velocity and had a standing wave occuring on it of 1.5 wavelengths (three humps), air makeup is constant at PV = nRT unchanging. Suppose this string was alive
and sensitive to news reports about Russia and could pick them out of the
air and as a direct response, changed it's density. You would need to move the
two end points constantly to achieve the standing wave of 1.5 wavelengths. If
the truth was 1.5 wavelengths it would still exist, but would require you to
respond to changes to achieve it - and if you were really good it would always
"exist."

Your not being able to achieve it would not be proof of it's non existence
only of your inability to prove it. The point is that there is a physical
unchanging principal here relating to the wavelength - it is embedded in another principal, reaction to news about Russia, a more difficult item to quantify, but one which is discussable none the less. Your PERCEPTION of changes in the density of the string either kinectically or visually
enable you to react most appropriately without knowing about the connection
with Russian news, but doesn't enable you to dicuss it. Once the connection
were known then you could probably hook up a device to react appropriately
(control theory, feedback). If the sensitivity to the topic changed to
another topic, say prune production, your machine would collapse but not the "truth"
of the underlying principal -> reaction to a news topic. Once the topic is nailed down it becomes science, beforehand sports? I realize the complexity
of human movement is much greater - my point is there is not "no science"
when there is only "some science." True insight occurs when you can move the two
points as a matter of fact and maintain the same viewpoint - picking the pattern/relationship out of the background noise as it 'twere.

SCIENCE equals PATTERN RECOGNITION period,
not truth,
it is always based upon theory,
truth is ALWAYS opinion.
Your turn.

truth is resonance with(in) the fabric of reality.

obviously.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 30, 2008 11:47 PM

JDavid,
wow- now obamites don't only suggest the Lady McBethian image they actually use Lady McBeth quotes

Obamopaths- do you actually think that the Republicans only hate the Clintons and that Barak, with the same basic stances on issues- is going to get a pass? Are you really that naive? The warfare between the Republicans and Dems will go on regardless of who is in the Whitehouse- perhaps if the Dems pick up 9 Senate seats things will be easier- but I wouldn't hold my breath for that to happen. They are merciless in driving their agenda. Oh well, live and learn...

Leon

Posted by: nycLeon | March 30, 2008 11:46 PM

meg54136

ah, I see, you like many others before you are in love with my beauty...


sorry I don't mess with tripe...


continue your lovefest as a Goebbel's girl...


see if you can understand this:

"A man who was easily angered realized after man years that all his life he had been in difficulties because of this tendancy. One day he heard of a dervish deep of knowledge, whom he went to see, asking for advice.

The dervish said: "Go to such-and-such a crossroads. There you will find a withered tree. Stand under it and offer water to every traveller who passes that place." The man did as he was told. Many days passed, and he became well known as one who was following a certain discipline
of guidance and self control, under the instruction of a man of real knowledge.

One day a man in a hurry turned his head away when he was offered the water and went walking on along the road. The man who was easily angered called out to him several times: "Come, return my salutation! Have some of this water, which I provide for all travellers!" But there was no reply.

Overcome by this behavior, the first man forgot his discipline completely. He reached for his gun, which was hooked in the withered tree, took aim at the heedless traveler and fired. The man fell dead.

At the very moment that the bullet entered his body, as if by miracle, the tree burst joyfully into blossom. The man who had been killed was a murderer, on his way to commit the worst crime of a long career.

There are you see two, kinds of advisers. The first kind is the one
who tells you what should be done according to certain fixed principles,
repeated mechanically. The other kind is the Man of Knowledge. Those who meet the Man of Knowledge will ask him for moralistic advice, and will treat him as a moralist. But what he serves is Truth, not pious hopes.

...The Sufi does not attempt to "cure" the man of his difficulty. Rather he attempts to align his dominant characteristic with a more comprehensive perception of the current activity, and places him in a spot where his "difficulty" may be of some use. It may also be of some use here to consider the Sufi teacher, the man, the withered tree, and the other elements of the story as the aspects of one single personality.

Within Sufism there is no adulation of the Final Mystic Experience, or the retired life of the ascetic on a mountaintop....If one were to "wake up" and remain in bed, then what is the use of awakening? How would the awakener be any different from those also in bed, but asleep?

For the Sufi, the "return to the world" is the return to and alignment with active life as it is lived, which distinguishes the full development of man."

So what does that mean ???


and how is it relevant ????


25 words or less....I imagine that there's probably 2 or 3 people that could even begin to understand what it means...


and none that could apply it.


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 30, 2008 11:43 PM

DISPATCHES FROM THE GROUND WAR ...

POLITICO.COM OFFERS A LOOK AT HOW HILLARY WOULD RUN THE GOVERNMENT ...

Cash-strapped Clinton fails to pay bills

By KENNETH P. VOGEL | 3/30/08 7:00 AM
Clinton camp puts off paying bills for months, earning campaign a reputation as a deadbeat in some small-business circles. ...

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 30, 2008 11:42 PM

But then again, I'm not a racist.

Posted by: theplanner | March 30, 2008 11:17 PM

Of course you are. Exactly who do you think you're convincing with your 24/7 ignorant prattle troll boy?

Just admit it and crawl back under your rock.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 30, 2008 11:41 PM

Wow, I stopped reading this about a week ago and just poking back in. Looks like I didn't miss much.

The usual professional shills, vitriol and virtuosic displays of poor spelling.

And the news? Been the same for a week... this race is over, it's just reality TV at this point. PA, IN, NC and the others will have the same effect on the nomination as who wins at Survivor or American Idol.

And getting boring, too, though the bowling sounds cute. Still, I wish we Dems could move on and start debating John McLame...

Posted by: sickofspam | March 30, 2008 11:38 PM

PA is tough, but I hope Obama can close the gap.

Obama and Casey are both a new generation of leadership that we need. It's a new world out there.

Posted by: info23 | March 30, 2008 11:31 PM

Posted by: a_bigone | March 30, 2008 10:56 PM

You need help. Your incoherence is only matched by your stupidity.

You're definitely a-bigone though.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 30, 2008 11:19 PM

ne_voice: So what. The fact that Hillary's minister has defended Wright does not change the fact that he's a racist. And, Obama's 20 year close relationship with his racist and anti-American "mentor and spiritual adviser," speaks volumes about his character and judgment. Would you attend a racist church for 20 years and consider its racist minister your "mentor and spiritual adviser?" I know I wouldn't. If I stepped into a church, the first time the pastor made a derogatory statement about "black people" I would be out of there, never to return. But then again, I'm not a racist.

Posted by: theplanner | March 30, 2008 11:17 PM

Obama is polluting my former school.

Please do not become cult members my blond haired brethren (lots of Germans-Americans there). The kids are so white there they think Obama is black. Lots of 'girls' with bad boyfriends there as well so they may be weak to his charms.

Gore aids are now talking about getting Mr. Loser himself the nomination. Al Gore to the rescue - something wrong with that picture.

There is an story in Newsweek about how Hillary can get the popular vote - from someone who can count. Cultist you should read it (on line) so you don't make fools of yourselves.

Like Obama my parents met at a civil rights march in GD Michigan.

Posted by: mul | March 30, 2008 11:10 PM

The senior minister at Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington D.C., a church that the Clintons attended while in the White House, has risen to the defense of Barack Obama's former minister Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

Snyder released a statement praising Wright as an "outstanding church leader" who has been "a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society."

Posted by: ne_voice | March 30, 2008 11:06 PM

I would personally like to talk to Barack Obama,

call him out...


do it here, I don't care.....


looka here, I'm not much...come to poppa


you can take me son, just show up...


make an old dawg happy...


I'd crush like a an empty coffee cup...


I wouldn't even be nice. but really the truth would crush you and your lack of understanding of what you're walking into would be glaringly apparent...


and son, we're all black according to our mitochondria...

hey Mr. Cosby.


chill out, I just want to stretch him a little...he ain't been stretched yet.

.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 30, 2008 10:56 PM

or how about ziss !?

first of all


__________THERE____IS____NO________WAR____________

there is an occupation to steal another country's resources....


that is ordinarially called an

ANTAGONISTIC OCCUPATION, by enemy troops

to stage a COLONIAL OCCUPATION...

al QUEADA is bushCO and CRONYs...


the "drunk indians," in this particular _ILLEGAL_ action against yet another indigenous peoples...


and besides that bush is paying people to attack US soldiers...

Results 1 - 10 of about 402,000 for bush funding al qeada sunni. (0.27 seconds)

Annals of National Security: The Redirection: Reporting & Essays ...Al Qaeda is Sunni, and many of its operatives came from extremist religious .... Flynt Leverett, a former Bush Administration National Security Council ...
www.newyorker.com/printables/fact/070305fa_fact_hersh -


Think Progress » Blog Archive » Hersh: U.S. Funds Being Secretly ...If covertly funding violent Sunni groups isn't a high crime or misdemeanor, what is? ...... Bush is funding al Qaeda! -

can you say, collusion and treason?????

.

and to o baaaaaaaa man, "this is about the past."

but without understanding who the people running Washington for themselves actually are,


he won't know who to listen to.

Will he listen to just the likable people that don't talk about the past and stroke his ego, agreeing with him as they hide programs and tell him not to worry about this or that...


or will he come in and be decisive without knowing what the truth is because he is going to decide based upon emotion.


Hillary will do what is best for AMERICA starting on day one, whether she's likable or not....


and I agree with Tina Fey, and the SNL crewe from this weekend...


it takes a bee_atch...


you got a problem with that ???


if AL GORE had been one in 2000, she wouldn't have to be one now.


AND THE United States would have IRAQI OIL as an option, because


the IRAQIs _LIKED_US_ wanted to be like us, which is the case for pretty much


all of the world until the little lord georgie [ famous salaami swallower and Karl Rove's wife ] w. buschiesster

tanked our reputation...

Posted by: a_bigone | March 30, 2008 10:42 PM

okay,

how's this?

Please,

let's be real.

if all the black people in the United States vote it will be about 7 percent.

If all of the women vote it will be about 56 Percent.

My personal insight is that about 18 PERCENT of Obama voters are republican....and it's only for the nomination, not for the presidency...


When Duke Cunningham went to jail and lost his seat in California


the RAPETHEPUBLICAN party, went to bat for that seat, to make sure that the public didn't think things could be changed....that CORRUPTION WOULD BE TOLERATED, and hadn't attached to the party...

they spent 15 TIMES MORE THAN HAD BEEN SPENT FOR ANY OTHER COMPARABLE SEAT...to make sure that a repulsive scammer got elected to that seat...George W. Bush put out a personal message voicemail and thedichcheenie also put out a personal voicemail that got sent to each and every republican voter in that district to get out and vote....


HOW MANY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF PORK and WAR PROFITEERING do you all think are at stake here ????


$746 $BILLION$ DOLLARS...


you think the embedded corruption in charge right now, is going to walk away from that ?????


they will do what ever it takes to keep things from changing...


tanking HILLARY, is what they are trying to do now...

by unfair, spamming, dishonest methode


and YOU THE PEOPLE, have to see through it,


or perish.


.ask the people of Ecuador or Panama


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 30, 2008 10:40 PM

Casey is a has been! His endoresement does nothing for Hussein.

Obama's true colors are beginning to show! He now wants Hillary to stay in the race!

Mmm. How about FL and MI, Hussein?

You are a Jew hater and anti-American bastard!

Posted by: nnia | March 30, 2008 10:39 PM

gandalfthegrey, you sound more like the BallHog...

National Lampoon Bored of the Rings, Limited Edition...read it if you can find it...

you sir, or not Gandalf...you're more of a gollum

type....trying to get the ring


from Frodo


"come to me my preciousssssssssssssssss"


.give it up toad boy.


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 30, 2008 10:36 PM

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

To Those Who Continue to Beat the Rev. Wright Issue:

We listened, we pondered and we decided. Those who were swayed by the controversy were sway. Those who were not swayed are not going to be swayed. One thing for sure, everyone has moved on.

The Wright news is so old, so stale, and so run its course. Please talk about something more interesting and insightful.

Posted by: txgall | March 30, 2008 10:33 PM

Why the Clinton supports always call Obama's supporters names. They called Oprah betray women, called Richardson Judas, called Casey taking revenge for his father's not being allowed to speak at a convention, etc. etc. The Clintons are very narrow minded. Don't they understand that we are all free to choose whom what want to support.

Posted by: sauyinzhi | March 30, 2008 10:31 PM

Obama isn't the only one "gushing". WaPo "reporter" Shailagh Murray continues her effort to avoid asking any politician anything approaching a question.

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | March 30, 2008 10:29 PM

sorry, I read kevinlarmee crap too quickly...


he bonehead.....


if he approved of being SHINTO, or Pawnee it would be okay...

it's called freedom of religion.

the NEOCON are zionists....they are the minority in ISRAEL,


as the NEOCON aka war profiteers aka BIG OIL GRABBERS killers of presidents in countrys where the oil is nationalized...in order to seize the resources...


that is why the president of IRAN was deposed by the shah of Iran,

and the president of Ecuador was killed and why Chavez is soooooooo


hated by BIG OIL families like the Rockerfellers, The Houses of Bush, Sabah, and Maktoum and others...


that can cut deals and cut nations out of the profit from their own resources...


SADDAM died so that BIG OIL could steal the 3rD largest OIL RESERVES IN THE WORLD...

'course bush and cheenie and James Baker the III will get some big skimming money


YOWWWWWWWWWWWZAH !!!


you kevinlarmee, are an abomination


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 30, 2008 10:28 PM

kevinlarmee, used to be KevinSchmidt, aka Karl Rove

pay attention,


"the Clintons,"


are the only democrats to have held the Whitehouse for two consecutive terms since WWII...


the others...

JFK, was assassinated...some say because of animosity about The Bay of Pigs

Mafia, CIA, Florida, Cubanos, OIL

shortly after he was assassinated the bush family moved to Texas and retained ties with the Florida communities...ZAPATA OIL was the name of George W. Bushes oil company, supposedly involved in the attempted assassination of Castro...something that is actually _illegal_ by INTERNATIONAL LAW, Prescott Bush...George H.W.'s father colluded with Nazis...and helped set up the CIA.

Jimmy Carter was backstabbed by the CIA, by the REPUBLICAN CIA

and didn't get a second term...


SEARCH ON Iran CONTRA, October Surprise, Paris, Russian, George H.W. Bush


there are 5 or 6 good versions of it out on the net...

TREASON, unprosecuted whyzzat ???


well, how can they sit here and make up crap about Hillary w/impunity ????


George W. apparently gives BJ's in the white House and you've heard naught of it have yah???


you'd think people in the news business would want to cover _that_ scandal...


wouldn't you?


doubt me? think I'm a bush hater???


it's several layers and years deep.


SEARCH on Victor Ashe, George W. Bush, Guckert, Gannon, Karl Rove, Trent Lott, Ken Mehlman Head of RNC, ALL GAY LIPs


you may find the picture of George W. kissing Gannon at a news conference...


if you're lucky.


.

See the Bushes have been around Washinton over a hundred years...

Bush and Cheney worked together since Nixon...60 years together...James Baker the III right alongside of them with 4 presidents...

He is the Bushes and the Bin Laden families LAWYER...

how cool is that ???


why don't you know that AMERICANS !!!!


are things hidden from you ???


except the color of Hillary's last poop ???

why izzat ???

.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 30, 2008 10:14 PM

WHO DEMOCRATS NEED TO TRY A LITTLE HARDER TO LOOK THROUGH THE

PROPaGANDA Stroorm...wake up little people...it's your time to be awake !!!

WHY CARTER DIDN'T GET A SECOND TERM, THOUGH HE HAD A SUCCESSFUL PRESIDENCY...

the CIA ACTED PARTISANLY, against a sitting president...read it yourselves, there are several sources for it...

The Russian Report

On Jan. 11, 1993, Russia's Supreme Soviet sent a secret cable to the U.S. Congress. The cable claimed that Russian national security files held evidence that two U.S. Presidents and two CIA directors had committed an act of treachery with Iran's radical Islamic government in 1980.

Despite its explosive potential, the document was kept from the American people. It was buried in a pile of cardboard boxes, left behind with a host of other unclassified and secret papers in an obscure storage room on Capitol Hill: a real-life "X-Files."


October Surprise X-Files (Part 1): Russia's Report

By Robert Parry

WASHINGTON -- On Jan. 11, 1993, the nation's capital was readying itself for the Inauguration of President Bill Clinton, the first Democrat to sit in the Oval Office in a dozen years. Temporary grandstands were going up along Pennsylvania Avenue. The city brimmed with a celebratory air that fills the capital whenever a grand event like an Inauguration takes place. But in an obscure set of offices near the U.S. Capitol, a congressional task force was coping with another problem, one that had seeped out over those same twelve years to stain the Republican victory that had last changed party power at the White House, in 1980.

The House task force was concluding a year-long investigation into claims that Ronald Reagan's 1980 presidential campaign had interfered with President Carter's negotiations to free 52 Americans held hostage in Iran. A mixed bag of Iranian officials, foreign intelligence agents and international arms dealers had alleged a Republican deal behind Carter's back. But the task force had decided there was "no credible evidence" to support allegations that the Reagan campaign had blocked Carter's possible "October Surprise" of an election-eve hostage return.

[ ... ]

But the Republicans were making separate overtures to the Iranians, also in Europe, the Russians claimed. "WILLIAM CASEY, in 1980, met three times with representatives of the Iranian leadership," the Russians wrote. "The meetings took place in Madrid and Paris."

At the Paris meeting in October 1980, "ROBERT M. GATES current Secretary of DEFENSE, at that time a staffer of the National Security Council in the administration of JIMMY CARTER and former CIA director GEORGE H.W. BUSH, TREASONOUS SON OF NAZI COLLUSIONISTS, also took part," the Russians said. "In Madrid and Paris, the representatives of Ronald Reagan and the Iranian leadership discussed the question of possibly delaying the release of 52 hostages from the staff of the U.S. Embassy in Teheran."

SEARCH on paris, iran contra, october surprise, russians


it's your country, and the repulsive scammers are trying to spin you wrong...


.again.


wake up sheep ple baaaaaa baaaaaa baaaaa


Posted by: a_bigone | March 30, 2008 10:12 PM

I am a reason over feelings person, Obama doensn't inspire people like me.

Posted by: globe_scout | March 30, 2008 10:12 PM

Listen to this Christian Rhetoric. Again the opposite of truth. Obama wants to make our nation Global -- The Oil business is global. Bush and his cronnies are in partnership with Arab sheiks and Obama caters to Farrakhan. It's all a scam to advance wall street Oil and Defense profits and change nothing for the better.

Everything Obama says is the opposite of what he's really about. Frankly I respect all religions and all this Christian rhetoric scares me too. Obama is disengenuous, and trying to cater to wing nuts and evangelicals, but he's really a wall street globalist and a friend to Bush. He is Bush, only taller and better looking and supposedly a Democrat.

Posted by: artysmarty | March 30, 2008 10:05 PM

Yes, Obama gives lofty speeches about hope and unity. And, Obama can read a teleprompter better than anyone since Ronald Reagan, but his 20 year close relationship with his racist and anti-American "mentor and spiritual adviser," speaks volumes about his character and judgment. Would you Obama supporters attend a racist church for 20 years and consider it's racist minister your "mentor and spiritual adviser?" I know I wouldn't. If I stepped into a church, the first time the pastor made a derogatory statement about "black people" I would be out of there, never to return. But then again, I'm not a racist.

Posted by: theplanner | March 30, 2008 10:05 PM

HILLARY NOT ONLY VOTED FOR WAR AUTHORIZATION IN 2002, BUT SHE VOTED WITH BUSH TO OPPPOSE SENATOR LEVIN'S AMMENDMENT IN 2003 TO ALLOW INSPECTORS BACK INTO IRAQ. WHITE HOUSE LOGS SHOW SHE WAS AN EARLY SUPPORTER OF NAFTA AND VIDEO SHOWS SHE LIED ABOUT HER VISIT TO BOSNIA DUCKING UNDER A HAIL OF BULLETS. HILLARY IS A CRAFTY POLITICIAN WHO WILL SAY ANYTHING TO GAIN THE NOMINATION EVEN IF IT LEADS TO A DEMOCRTATIC DEFEAT IN NOVEMBER.
DANIEL VISTA CA.

Posted by: go4dan0 | March 30, 2008 10:01 PM

The planner. Think about it Rezko has fundraised for both obama and Bush. Bush and Obama had meetings early on and Bush praised him. The FL voting fiasko was caused initially by a Republican Governor and Obama's financing comes from Wall Street, Big Banks and swiss banks. His goal is to stop Hillary.

He wants to pull Democrats Right and bring Republicans into his cabinet to make their agendas easy. He's scamming everyone.


Posted by: artysmarty | March 30, 2008 10:01 PM

THE NEW NAZIS

(aka NeoCons who like Clinton, like McCain, but don't like Obama)

........"Muslim" is their new slur. They pretend that they're American (you know, "freedom of religion, etc.")........but in truth, they're Nazis....... their bigoted philosophy is the same.... the only difference is that "MUSLIM" has replaced "JEW".

example below from this comments column:

"From The Audacity Of Hope, "WE ARE NO LONGER JUST A CHRISTIAN NATION," "WE ARE ALSO a Jewish nation, A MUSLIM NATION, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."
Obama is telling us plainly that he APPROVES of Islam"

Posted by: kevinlarmee | March 30, 2008 9:58 PM

Don't you love the way the vicious Obamaites scorn Hilary and claim their Bush clone is not Negative.

Ever been conned by a really good con man. Obama is the Golden Boy of wall Street, He wants Republicans in his cabinet. He wants to make money for wall Street and that math ads up to ever higher fuel prices and continual war to bring in defense profits.

He's not the first charming lying politicians and won't be the last. Eve look at his voting record, it's the opposite of what he says. Just like the way he says Hillary attacks him when he's the one, using surrogates to attack her 24/7. Wake up. Obama is a nightmare. Everything he says is the opposite of who he really is. He's a Bi-racial BUSH!!!!!!

Posted by: artysmarty | March 30, 2008 9:56 PM

Every single article analyzing Obama's prospects in Pennsylvania should begin with the fact that Hugh Rodham was born there. So any catching up he does is just a bonus. On the other hand he had the same advantage in Kansas.

Posted by: aisrael | March 30, 2008 9:51 PM

artysmarty: Your post about Obama being a lot like Bush may not be far from the mark. Remember how the press treated Bush for much of his Presidency -- no criticism, just free passes for all his mistakes and blunders. Almost no coverage at all which was negative. Does it remind you of anything -- yes, the way Obama has gotten a free pass from the press during this nomination process. I've found out that there are many blogs which will censor comments critical of Obama, such as CNN, MSNBC, the Huffington Post, the Los Angeles Times, the Washington Post, and the Boston Globe. Are we stupid enough to think that it's all just a coincidence. I doubt it.

Posted by: theplanner | March 30, 2008 9:51 PM

Barack Obama
Obama and Casey's Mutually Helpful Friendship
By Shailagh Murray
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Hopefully Ted Kennedy isn't the jealous type, because it looks like Barack Obama has a new best friend: Sen. Bob Casey of Pennsylvania.

Their weekend road show across the Keystone State stopped at factories, hot dog stands, sports bars and bowling alleys, where the two kept score as "Bar" and "Bob." The freshmen senators played basketball, milked cows in matching new Timberland boots, and shared the stage here Sunday at Penn State University before 22,000 cheering fans.

Casey's surprise endorsement last week brightened what had been a bleak electoral landscape for Obama in Pennsylvania. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton remains the clear favorite to win the state, but this is an alliance that looks beyond the April 22 primary and it could yield dividends for both men.

For Obama, Casey is the gatekeeper to the older, working-class, white voters who form the core of the Clinton constituency and who must turn out strongly in November for Obama, should he emerge as the Democratic nominee. These so-called "Casey Democrats" revered Casey's late father, former governor Bob Casey Sr., and helped Casey Jr. easily defeat Republican Sen. Rick Santorum in 2006.

For Casey, Obama's base of college students, African Americans and upper-income voters are vital to broadening the 47-year-old former state auditor's appeal beyond the smokestack set, should he run again for governor. In 2002, Casey lost a bitter Democratic primary battle with Edward Rendell, the former Philadelphia mayor, for his father's old job. Rendell won the general election and now backs Clinton in the Democratic presidential race.

Before Casey endorsed Obama, "I didn't know anything about him," said Penn State student Molly O'Rourke. An Obama volunteer, O'Rourke, 19, grew up Philadelphia, and this is her first foray into politics. But now, she said, Casey also is on her radar screen.

Casey's presence eased what could have been some awkward moments during a weekend of small events and spontaneous drop-bys through the Clinton heartland of western Pennsylvania. At the Altoona, Pa., bowling alley, Obama rolled a gutter ball on his first try - but so did Casey. The two worked the lanes to greet locals, even crashing Sweet 16 and birthday parties to say hello.

"I think it's wonderful he came," said Jean Montgomery, 57, co-owner of the Pleasant Valley Recreation Center. "He's very friendly. ... Probably now that he came in, I will support him."

The camaraderie between Casey and Obama is not surprising. They are about the same age, they both have daughters, and they represent a new generation of lawmakers in Washington who are less ideologically rigid than their forebears.

Like his father, Casey is staunchly pro-life. Bob Casey Sr. refused to endorse Bill Clinton in 1992 over the issue of abortion and was denied a speaking role at the Democratic convention as a result. His son, however, does not view Roe v. Wade as a political litmus test. "If you talk about only one issue, that's going to prevent you from solving a lot of problems," he said in an interview.

Obama spoke gushingly of Casey at the Penn State rally: "He is not just smart, not just dedicated, not just hardworking -- one of the finest senators we have -- but he's also a decent, moral, kind person, and you don't always find that in politics."

Casey, low-key and serious around the Capitol, sounded dazzled by his new friend: "I've been around politics my whole life. I've been through some rough, rough politics. And I must say, he's inspired me."

Other than his father, Casey added, "I've never believed in any national politician like this, not even close."

That doesn't mean Obama will win Pennsylvania. The primary may not even be close, Casey said, given the Clintons' deep roots in the state. "Hillary Clinton chaired several health care hearings here in 1993. Think about it -- that's almost a generation ago," said Casey. "But the reaction at that bowling alley, it was intense. People really wanted to meet him."

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I HOPE that Obama comes back real hard in Pennsylvania. I am so tired of this race without a reason. I've argued with people like Hillary Clinton and its just annoying. The FACTS don't matter.

I voted for Clinton in 1992 and 1996. I voted for Hillary in NY twice. I can't imagine listening to her and the Republicans fight for 4 years (she wouldn't win a second term) if she could win in November. We want a government that works for US not for the party or candidate only.

I came to this country from a place where there was no democracy at that time (Uganda in 1973) and I think we take democracy for granted. If Hillary decided to suspend, but watch she could still be the nominee if Obama really messed up. However, she would have the benefit of not having to say "out out damn spot" if Obama loses in November. I couldn't imagine that she would have that level of self sacrifice in her though.

Posted by: jdavid61 | March 30, 2008 06:01 PM

Well heck, if he can milk cows - must be able to run a country. Doesn't take much - woman running the rec center is voting for him - cause he came in. I love my fellow voters!

Posted by: darleneann | March 30, 2008 06:37 PM

This is a good sign. THIS is how we are going to win in November. Good for Casey, Richardson and the rest who are strong enough to go with Obama now and face the possibility of being accused of being a "Judas." That is NOT the way to win in November. Both sides need to keep it positive. If Hillary can gain momentum with a positive campaign, she deserves a look from the super delegates. If she tries to somehow win ugly, everyone loses.

Posted by: johnsonc2 | March 30, 2008 06:38 PM

As an independent voter, I have watched from afar as Mrs. Clinton distinguished herself as an effective legislator from N.Y. It seems obvious that Senator Hillary Clinton is a politically astute legislator who understands how to fight for her priorities and help to shape voter perceptions on issues she sees as important. She is especially fierce when it comes to dealing with those she characterizes as the "right-wing conspiracy" ...including the Republican "machine."

To counteract the Right-wing Machine, Mrs. Clinton and her husband, have built a Clinton Machine... which seems to this independent voter as every bit as hard-nosed and dedicated to beating the "right-wing" as they are to beating her. The Clinton machine can match the Right-wing at every level...hitting back mercilessly when attacked and working the "system" to gain every advantage in what both sides think is a struggle for America.

But, it is not a struggle for America.

They engage in a struggle to win - at all costs.

It is a struggle to crush the other side.

Forged in the self-inflicted wounds of the 1990's they fight for survival. Both sides - angry and dug in.

Well, I am tired of this zero-sum approach to national politics.

I'm tired of Tom Delay and Dick Cheney, and yes - I'm very weary of the Clintons.

The real goals of both the Republican and Clinton machines are simply irrelevant to our national purpose. Mean and angry - red states and blue - they split the nation in half along ideological positions and we go absolutely nowhere as a nation in tough times.

To them it is always "payback time."

Furthermore, these ideological warriors are ignorant of our true American national promise ... a people united to make our country healthy, strong and good for our kids. We can be tough on defense and kind to each other - at the same time.

We've just seen what happens when one side suddenly gets into power...the neo-con driven approach to Iraq has failed miserably because the warrior camp under Cheney and Rumsfeld had no thoughts beyond the first step - crushing the enemy. (Now Patreaus is tamping down violence - but for how long - and then what? Just pull out?)

I fear the same will be true if the Clinton Camp returns to power...swept along by the nation's disgust with the Bush administration. The Clinton pendulum will swing too far in its quest to crush the enemy... it will alienate the 50.1% American who voted Republican in the 2004 election.

Left to her own devices, and without her deep-seated anger, Hillary might be a good President -but she will never, ever be left to her own devices...she is part of the machine warfare that practices what might be characterized aptly as the politics of ideological rage.

Furthermore, she thinks that she has to prove to us that she's "tough" - so much so that she has imagined sniper bullets in Bosnia and breaking down borders in Macedonia.

And then there is her husband, the former President, who seems destined to play the "Cheney role" in her administration.

He's gone over the edge -unrestrained by the limits of his former Office, he is degenerated into a mean spirited "attack" dog for the "machine."

Yes, he's now smiling and bowing and apologizing...but Bill Clinton wants to win - at any cost. And that motivation includes crushing Obama - if he stands in the way.

A Clinton Presidency will just add to the politics of hate and rage that is poisoning our national political dialogue. A Clinton Presidency will merely add to the level of nastiness that have caused many, many elected officials on both sides of the aisle to attempt to distance themselves from the machines.

That's exactly why more folks like me are independents.

In this first decade of the 21st Century, highly partisan politics is not going to help America, either domestically or internationally.

We need to disarm the haters - take away their raison d'êtres. We need to get beyond the "conspiracy wars" of the 1990's.

I think that we need to thank the Clintons for their service, let Hillary go back to the Senate where she can craft major legislation, and Mr. Clinton can go back to his private affairs - and stay out of the White House.

With due respect, (and I voted for him - twice) the Clintons are from the past.

We have been looking for a new direction and a new energy. Let's look beyond the Clintons.


Posted by: gandalfthegrey | March 30, 2008
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gandalthegrey: I have seen you on other blogs and you have never been for the Clintons. You are an Obama Axelrod "swiftboat crew member," aren't you? Fess up. You are here to win. Hillary is here to win. I think Hillary will win. gw

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 30, 2008 9:49 PM

Gandalf, thank you for a thoughtful post. It almost made scrolling though these screeds worthwhile.

I don't read them enough to know, but I do wonder: do all these Hillary boosters and Obama haters (not necessarily the same posters) come up with original misspellings, misinformation, and bile each time they post, or do they just cut and paste?

And if it's the latter, moderators, please, can they be blocked for being boring?

Posted by: thaimex | March 30, 2008 9:49 PM

Is New always better. Is inexperienced a better bet. Obama hangs with kennedy the Oldest Old Boy in DC and is now traveling in PA with a second generation politician.

Obama is a con man, wake up!

Posted by: artysmarty | March 30, 2008 9:48 PM

Is New always better. Is inexperienced a better bet. Obama hangs with kennedy the Oldest Old Boy in DC and is now traveling in PA with a second generation politician.

Obama is a con man, wake up!

Posted by: artysmarty | March 30, 2008 9:48 PM

GraceMN: You brought up Hillary's Ireland Story. Here is an account from a newspaper last week: While much credit needs to go to the people of Northern Ireland, Great Britan, and the Republic of Ireland, credit must go to the Clinton Administration as well. President Bill Clinton appointed former Senator and Federal Judge George Mitchell to lead an international body to assist the participants in the peace process. Mitchell was the right person, at the right time for this job. His skills were evident when he learned the last person signed the agreement. Mitchell called a meeting of all parties 15 minutes later. That proved to be the right move to build relationships necessary to move the process along over the last decade. But there is another person to thank for the ten year peace. That person is Hillary Clinton. She's got women involved in the process. Many observers beleive that it was the women's involvement that was the turning point in the negotiations. George Mitchell said Hillary Clinton's role was "significant." Gerry Adams of Sinn Fein, John Hume of the Social Democrat and Labor Party, and David Trimble of the Ulster Unionists have said that Hillary Clinton was helpful in bringing the parties together. They not only say that now, but they said it back in 1997. Hillary Clinton visited Northern Ireland seven times, and knew - by name - the ninety members that were party to the negotiations. I'm a John McCain supporter. But after hearing Barrak Obama and Dick Morris dismiss Hillary Clinton's role in the peace agreement as ceremonial, I just had to set the record straight." *** Obama desperately wants to change the subject from his own lies and affiliations. Is this the "change" he's been talking about?

Posted by: theplanner | March 30, 2008 9:47 PM

Obama and his All Speech No Solutions, adds up in my mind as someone very gifted in motivational speaking but not honest about his motives and intentions.

I really have faith in Hillary to work hard to deliver the change Americans want and deserve and to restore the USA to peace and prosperity.

I hope you will look into Obama's background and voting record and not let his charm sway you to thinking everything he says is true, or that he will really bring change you can believe in.

At 47, most of his career has been spent climbing the ladder and not working for change. He promised the people of Illinois he would do his full term in the Senate. Frankly I'd like to see what change he's bring as a Senator, before trusting him to be President.

Hillary gives me confidence as a capable leader Obama seems like a charming person, with a lot of ambition but who is not really the nice guy at all. He's a Bush clone, just taller better looking and Bi-Racial. His motives are driven by Wall Street and Oil and defense profits. He's another deceptive politician, nothing more.He uses race as a shield and a sword, and it's underhanded. I've never seen a Black politician shut down the press so effectively. I was called racist for the first time in my life just because I don't believe in him. Tha fact is his voting record does not match his rhetoric, which says lying politician nothing more.

Posted by: artysmarty | March 30, 2008 9:45 PM

I am so sick of hearing about how Obama inspires people. I don't need to be inspired - I'm already inspired. I need a politician who can get stuff done and if it's between Clinton and Obama I'm choosing Clinton. I'd never even heard of this guy before January. Besides he's proven himself to be a hypocrit. I wish he would and his wife would just go away.

Posted by: TALVES | March 30, 2008 9:42 PM

Obama supporters attacking Hillary are worse than the GOP? Give me a break. Let's hear Hillary's story again about her near-death trip to Bosnia or her helping with the peace accord in Ireland. I want to see Hillary go bowling and milk a cow. This country needs to move forward with a new generation of leaders. We don't need to go back to the 90s with the Clintons.

Posted by: GraceMN | March 30, 2008 9:41 PM

Hey, Dems!

Chew on this a bit:

Dems Presidential Losers Club since 1964:
Humphrey
McGovern
Carter(1980)
Mondale
Dukakis
Gore
Kerry

Last Dem President to be re-elected since the two term Bill Clinton:

Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Now, exactly what red states are the bumbling Dems going to turn blue?

Be specific, and cite your reasons.

Posted by: dyend | March 30, 2008 9:39 PM

We New a Bush Clone was coming sooner or later. A man who Schmoozes like a pro, and claims to be what he is not. A nice campaign with Kind words to ttug on our sense of morality... someone who has surrogates do his dirty work and says things like No Child Left Behind, or a Kinder Gentler America.

Someone who looks good and sounds good and thinks like a Republican but claims to be New and different. Someone who shuts down voters in FL to swing a Presidential election, and lies about his financing and is the Golden Boy of Wall Street... Who like to have Republicans in his cabinet to pul;l Democrats Right so wars will go on forever and Oil prices will soar, because that's what Wall street wants.

Someone who will lie with a straight face and laugh with abandon as they screw the USA for Wall Street, and personal advantage. Who would have though he would be a Democrat, Bolstered by Oprah, an Chioago Political Machine, and Mayor Daly, and would advance as if he is Jesus himself to undermine Freedom, and exploit racism, and screw us just like Bush.

His name is Obama and the nigh mare is here.

Posted by: artysmarty | March 30, 2008 9:35 PM


If Obama is the "new" politics and "hope" why does he attract such vicious supporters?

Their attacks on Hillary are worse than anything the GOP swift boaters have done.

Obama's "kiddie corps" act like junior high reform school inmates!

Posted by: wj_phillips | March 30, 2008 9:30 PM

If Obama had been any other candidate, with the least experience in modern politics of anyone to run for President, and all the false claims and game playing and scandals, he's have been long gone.

Yeah, rigging an election and playing a shell game with 2 States and millions of people's right to Vote -- in America -- who would have believed it. Yeah... this is change but nothing I can believe in.

Posted by: artysmarty | March 30, 2008 9:23 PM

The writer of this article should stop name calling with voters like "smokestack voters" Voters have been subjected to all sorts of name calling this election year, "lunch bucket voters" "lower class" "upper class" "angry old white women" etc. STOP. We are all part of the human race.

Obama himself continually engages in racism and sexism at his own peril. Throwing his own grandmother under the bus calling her a "typical white woman" who is afraid of black men. Wow. His campaign surrogates continually attempt to marginalize and denigrate Hillary supporters as "uneducated, lower class, blue collar voters". It's disgusting and untrue. Everyone knows the alpha males vote for Hillary and the wussies losers like Kerry, Kennedy, Daschle, Richardson and Casey support Obama. Ha.

Obama's obnoxious wife Michelle who warned black americans to "wake up" and "it's now or never". Wow.

Barack Hussein Obama is unelectable. No amount of 24/7 media promotion is ever going to change that fact.

**VOTE SMART!! VOTE HILLARY!!**

Posted by: TAH1 | March 30, 2008 9:22 PM

Bush / Clinton / Bush -- enough already. I have Bush fatigue, I have Clinton fatigue. She can't win without it being handed to her and the superdelegates have no business handing it to her. She and her supporters will continue with the politics of destruction as long as there is any hope, no matter how irrational. Take it away from her and let's move on before people get so entrenched they stay home if their candidate doesn't prevail. The longer this slime fest continues, the more likely it is opinions will harden.

Posted by: zorro2 | March 30, 2008 9:22 PM

Sadly, we Democrats have found out that Pelosi, Dean and many other Democratic leaders are no better than their counterparts in the Republican Party. It's really all about politics, not the will of the voters. So, what we find is a party hierarchy which sanctions and supports the disenfranchisement of millions of voters in Michigan and Florida, the inherent unfairness of the caucus system, and the obviously inappropriate bias of the leadership against Hillary Clinton. The hypocrisy of some of these charlatans is mind boggling. Take Kerry, for example. He lost the election in 2004 amidst charges of voter fraud in Ohio. Now, he wants to support Obama, who's lawyers have actively prevented a revote in Michigan and Florida, just to further his selfish political ambitions. Since when has the Democratic Party become the party of disenfranchisement; the party of making excuses for the racist and anti-American rants of a Rev. Wright? Since when has the rank and file of the party also endorsed these things, so long as they help their candidate win the nomination? No, there doesn't appear to be much difference after all between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party, at least when it comes to fairness and voter rights. I have been a lifelong Democrat, as has my family, but the actions of the party have destroyed our faith.

Posted by: theplanner | March 30, 2008 9:12 PM

ddraper81: Yours is a typical response from an Obama supporter; all insults, no content. It would be refreshing if just once, one of you actually made an intelligent argument.

Posted by: theplanner | March 30, 2008 8:58 PM

I find it totally boggling that anyone thinks that Obama will magically get the Republicans to agree to liberal Democratic policies. There are even enough Democrats elected on the party borderline to cause them to vote against Obama. If everyone was smart enough to take that dream off the table we could make decisions based on reality.

Posted by: thetruth31 | March 30, 2008 8:57 PM

Meanwhile, Hillary can't pay her campaign bills and is stiffing the small vendors to be able to finance her misleading media.

Just say "no" to Full Metal Jacket Hillary and The Dear Hunter Bill, and their pretentions to entitlement.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 30, 2008 8:55 PM

Wonderful.

Obama allies himself with another right-winger.

He speaks as glowingly about Casey as he did about Lieberman.

Obama is a big phony folks.


Posted by: lennyjazz | March 30, 2008 8:54 PM

theplanner give it a rest. A lot of hot air - - unimportant in what is going on. Of course, if you want to stay stuck there - - stay stuck. After all be honest - - YOU WERE NEVER GOING TO VOTE FOR Barack Obama - - is that not true? Sounds like because if you were you would not be ranting on and on about insignificant matters.

Posted by: ddraper81 | March 30, 2008 8:51 PM

kendreik just what are you talking about? Your comments are so shallow. There is more about Barack Obama, other than his race, that are excellent reasons to voter for him. Come on "get your head out". Find yourself capable, if you can, or being so closed and single minded. The man is super intelligent and proposes solutions to issues that are plaguing the country and there you are sitting in some dark hole focusing on the insignificant. Don't worry about why Oprah and Stevie Wonder are supporting him - - you need to focus on who you are supporting and why. Be an adult and start behaving like you are older than my 5 yr old nephew. I am totally sick and tired of children walking around in adult bodies spewing off nonsense and think that other adults are suppose give you any credence to participate in an intelligent process and conversation.

Posted by: ddraper81 | March 30, 2008 8:46 PM

FAMOUS LEO IN HOROSKOPE:
SLOBODAN MILOSEVICH,THE DICTATOR OF KAZAKSTAN-NURSULTAN NAZARBAYEV AND BARACK HUSSEIN FROM USA...!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: kendreik | March 30, 2008 8:46 PM

Hey there all you wonderful folks in Pennsylvania supporting Obama. Now is the time to speak with your friends, families, strangers etc., and tell them what a better country this will be if they vote for Obama. Put up signs, make phone calls, get the vote out.

Thank you,

A California supporter of Obama with relatives in Pa.

Posted by: bdm1brulin | March 30, 2008 8:42 PM

Here's some irony for you - The Clinton Global Initiative, part of the Clinton Foundation, has secured partnerships for the following initiatives:
$271,000,000.00 over a 5-year period for educational opportunities for 7.5 million children in Africa and Asia.
$40,000,000.00 over 5 years for critical education needs for 3,000,000 girls in Africa.
$12,000,000.00 over 8 years to improve schooling and health outcomes for girls 10-14 in Southern Africa.
Maybe someone should tell Barack Obama that trying to label Bill Clinton a "racist" is contrary to everything he has ever done in his life, and is not only dishonest, it is disgusting.

Posted by: theplanner | March 30, 2008 8:41 PM

Barnum and Bailey? Almost every one saw Robert Redford's movie "The Candidate". It was a very nice movie. The young candidate winning over the more experienced opponent by his savvy style of campaigning. Who can forget the few last lines of the movie?
This sound so familiar at present. A new face and good rhetorics doesn't make a good leader. America needs a figure who can't only unify but will also deliver. Change is not a domain of one person and so is the word unify. A boxer can unify a whole country, a beggar can bring change to a society but it doesn't mean that are also good leaders.
America needs a sure hand to guide it. It needs the leadership of a person not a committee or of advisers. The last word resides on the ability of the sole leader to see through the unfolding events. Being "present" is not enough. You should be able to decide to resolve a conflict at present even if some of its effects will not be very good later. People who are afraid to make decisions because it might make them look bad later are not leaders. They are losers.


Posted by: bobbyvalenz | March 30, 2008 8:38 PM

grikalee: Yes, Wright is a racist. I challenge you to dispute any of the following (and not just with idiotic insults): The "theology" that Wright teaches at his church is nothing like Christianity as most people understand it. The brand of theology which Wright has been teaching Obama and the others at his church is called "black liberation theology." Wright admits this and it is stated on the church's website. Black theology is based upon the premise of the white oppressor against the black oppressed. This is why, for example, that Wright refers to Jesus as black, and his killers as white. This is the only way the story of Jesus fits within this brand of "theology." Rev. Wright cites James Cone, another proponent of black liberation theology, as his theological inspiration. Here are just a couple of James Cone's quotes: (1) "To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people." (2) "While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism." (3) "All white men are responsible for white oppression." (4) "Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil." (5) "If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it." (6) "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love." *** These teachings are fundamentally racist and divisive. Obama has chosen to belong to this racist church for 20 years, and now because of exposure by the press, he tries to fool the American public once again.

Posted by: theplanner | March 30, 2008 8:37 PM


We knew it was coming if he was nominated. The slurs, the innuendoes, the wink-wink nod-nod of subtle racism, the outright attacks of not so subtle racism. There would be whispers about religion and questions about his background. There would be slime and dirt, Swift Boaters and stupid jerks. What the smear-experts didn't know, they would make up. What they didn't make up, they would borrow from others who did. Never based on fact nor substance, the attacks would be relentless and the nastiness would make decent people cringe.

We knew where it would be coming from. We knew the political party that would do it. We thought we knew which rock they crawl out from under and which cable news network they would use. We knew it all...thought we.

Oh....how wrong we were!

The enemy was within..... clothed in familiar suits (and pant suits) we had seen before. We might not have liked them all that well....but they were one of us...the good guys...."The first Black President".....and the champions of the minorities and the downtrodden. We are all brothers and sisters, said we, and we knew who the enemy was.

Oh.....how wrong we were.

They thought that the Black vote in America was theirs for the taking and the poor white folks could be scared into submission as the Republicans had done for years. Victory was in sight....and the road to another Co-Presidency was a sure thing. Then something happened along the way. A young brilliant African-American upstart challenged the inevitable and opposed the "same-old." Ordinary people got excited, ordinary people started to believe again, and ordinary people started to have hope. Ordinary people, rich and poor, Black & white, Hispanic, and Native American started to think that they themselves could actually make a difference in their own lives.

The Challenger had to be stopped before it was too late. The attacks were quickly choreographed. The "first Black President," a master of race & politics in America, began the subtle stuff implying a Jesse Jackson rerun. Yet...maybe it was too late for subtle implication and the all-out attacks, the "kitchen sink" and the down and dirty began. "The bigger the lie...the easier it is to believe." It isn't the Democratic party they're for, it isn't the people who matter, it isn't even about saving The United States of America. It is all about them...the power hungry.


We watched as thousands of people, more white than black, cheered a man of color. We saw the hope in their eyes and saw their dreams of a better America...one no longer divided by race or ideology.

What kind of person or persons would squash such dreams---destroy such hope? What is the most troubling is....are they succeeding?

So here we are with our hopes and dreams and those of the generations before us... and the ones to follow us. It's up to us. It's our job and responsibility to keep those hopes and dreams alive while there's still time.

Hold fast to dreams
For if dreams die
Life is a broken-winged bird
That cannot fly.

Hold fast to dreams
For when dreams go
Life is a barren field
Frozen with snow.
Dreams---Langston Hughes

Posted by: rfgtile | March 30, 2008 8:37 PM

Meanwhile, Hillary can't pay her campaign bills and is stiffing the small vendors to be able to finance her misleading media.

Just say "no" to Full Metal Jacket Hillary and The Dear Hunter Bill, and their pretentions to entitlement.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 30, 2008 8:37 PM

This is really sweet. We are watching "Hypocrite vs. Hypocrite". Just this morning I commented on a post that "I used to think that the Republicans had a monopoly over hypocrisy, but now I see that the Democrats are even more blatant about it and are as spineless as ever. Just look at how Kennedy, Kerry, Napolitano, Richardson, Casey (where Hillary is very likely to win) are overturning the will of the people of their states. Even the nutcase Nancy is supporting Obama against the overwhelming wish of the will of the California people. Add to that how Obama ends up with more delegates in Nevada and Texas even after winning the popular votes and everyone applauds. All this in the name of Democrats, they should change their symbol to rat, come to think of it, a pack of rats will be even better." I guess I was prescient.

Posted by: schatter003 | March 30, 2008 8:37 PM


We knew it was coming if he was nominated. The slurs, the innuendoes, the wink-wink nod-nod of subtle racism, the outright attacks of not so subtle racism. There would be whispers about religion and questions about his background. There would be slime and dirt, Swift Boaters and stupid jerks. What the smear-experts didn't know, they would make up. What they didn't make up, they would borrow from others who did. Never based on fact nor substance, the attacks would be relentless and the nastiness would make decent people cringe.

We knew where it would be coming from. We knew the political party that would do it. We thought we knew which rock they crawl out from under and which cable news network they would use. We knew it all...thought we.

Oh....how wrong we were!

The enemy was within..... clothed in familiar suits (and pant suits) we had seen before. We might not have liked them all that well....but they were one of us...the good guys...."The first Black President".....and the champions of the minorities and the downtrodden. We are all brothers and sisters, said we, and we knew who the enemy was.

Oh.....how wrong we were.

They thought that the Black vote in America was theirs for the taking and the poor white folks could be scared into submission as the Republicans had done for years. Victory was in sight....and the road to another Co-Presidency was a sure thing. Then something happened along the way. A young brilliant African-American upstart challenged the inevitable and opposed the "same-old." Ordinary people got excited, ordinary people started to believe again, and ordinary people started to have hope. Ordinary people, rich and poor, Black & white, Hispanic, and Native American started to think that they themselves could actually make a difference in their own lives.

The Challenger had to be stopped before it was too late. The attacks were quickly choreographed. The "first Black President," a master of race & politics in America, began the subtle stuff implying a Jesse Jackson rerun. Yet...maybe it was too late for subtle implication and the all-out attacks, the "kitchen sink" and the down and dirty began. "The bigger the lie...the easier it is to believe." It isn't the Democratic party they're for, it isn't the people who matter, it isn't even about saving The United States of America. It is all about them...the power hungry.


We watched as thousands of people, more white than black, cheered a man of color. We saw the hope in their eyes and saw their dreams of a better America...one no longer divided by race or ideology.

What kind of person or persons would squash such dreams---destroy such hope? What is the most troubling is....are they succeeding?

So here we are with our hopes and dreams and those of the generations before us... and the ones to follow us. It's up to us. It's our job and responsibility to keep those hopes and dreams alive while there's still time.

Hold fast to dreams
For if dreams die
Life is a broken-winged bird
That cannot fly.

Hold fast to dreams
For when dreams go
Life is a barren field
Frozen with snow.
Dreams---Langston Hughes

Posted by: rfgtile | March 30, 2008 8:37 PM


We knew it was coming if he was nominated. The slurs, the innuendoes, the wink-wink nod-nod of subtle racism, the outright attacks of not so subtle racism. There would be whispers about religion and questions about his background. There would be slime and dirt, Swift Boaters and stupid jerks. What the smear-experts didn't know, they would make up. What they didn't make up, they would borrow from others who did. Never based on fact nor substance, the attacks would be relentless and the nastiness would make decent people cringe.

We knew where it would be coming from. We knew the political party that would do it. We thought we knew which rock they crawl out from under and which cable news network they would use. We knew it all...thought we.

Oh....how wrong we were!

The enemy was within..... clothed in familiar suits (and pant suits) we had seen before. We might not have liked them all that well....but they were one of us...the good guys...."The first Black President".....and the champions of the minorities and the downtrodden. We are all brothers and sisters, said we, and we knew who the enemy was.

Oh.....how wrong we were.

They thought that the Black vote in America was theirs for the taking and the poor white folks could be scared into submission as the Republicans had done for years. Victory was in sight....and the road to another Co-Presidency was a sure thing. Then something happened along the way. A young brilliant African-American upstart challenged the inevitable and opposed the "same-old." Ordinary people got excited, ordinary people started to believe again, and ordinary people started to have hope. Ordinary people, rich and poor, Black & white, Hispanic, and Native American started to think that they themselves could actually make a difference in their own lives.

The Challenger had to be stopped before it was too late. The attacks were quickly choreographed. The "first Black President," a master of race & politics in America, began the subtle stuff implying a Jesse Jackson rerun. Yet...maybe it was too late for subtle implication and the all-out attacks, the "kitchen sink" and the down and dirty began. "The bigger the lie...the easier it is to believe." It isn't the Democratic party they're for, it isn't the people who matter, it isn't even about saving The United States of America. It is all about them...the power hungry.


We watched as thousands of people, more white than black, cheered a man of color. We saw the hope in their eyes and saw their dreams of a better America...one no longer divided by race or ideology.

What kind of person or persons would squash such dreams---destroy such hope? What is the most troubling is....are they succeeding?

So here we are with our hopes and dreams and those of the generations before us... and the ones to follow us. It's up to us. It's our job and responsibility to keep those hopes and dreams alive while there's still time.

Hold fast to dreams
For if dreams die
Life is a broken-winged bird
That cannot fly.

Hold fast to dreams
For when dreams go
Life is a barren field
Frozen with snow.
Dreams---Langston Hughes

Posted by: rfgtile | March 30, 2008 8:36 PM

To Posted by: theplanner | March 30, 2008 07:27 PM:

Your supposition has no basis in fact. It would have merit only if whites had the multi-generational, hundreds of years of experience that blacks have had. If whites had been enslaved, if whites had been subject to Jim Crow, if whites had been subject to pervasive racism (I'm white and have been with black friends and have had table service denied, I've heard too many times people say they wouldn't rent or sell to a black man...things I've seen and heard for myself).

This is not to say there is not racism from blacks toward whites. Humans of any color have the unfortunate ability to hate for any reason. Even still, your argument is just completely baseless, because again, you can't compare the historical white experience to the black experience.

Posted by: ExpatAsia | March 30, 2008 8:34 PM

big_ez: It is uninformed people like you who explain the extent of Obama's support. Look it up: It was Obama who contacted the Canadian embassy behind the backs of Ohio supporters; he originally denied that any such contact had been made; but, when the memo of the contact surfaced, he had to admit the contact. Then, his changing story was that although the contact had been made, the contents of the memo were inaccurate. PLEASE get you facts straight so that you may make an intelligent choice in this race.

Posted by: theplanner | March 30, 2008 8:28 PM

big_ez: It is uninformed people like you who explain the extent of Obama's support. Look it up: It was Obama who contacted the Canadian embassy behind the backs of Ohio supporters; he originally denied that any such contact had been made; but, when the memo of the contact surfaced, he had to admit the contact. Then, his changing story was that although the contact had been made, the contents of the memo were inaccurate. PLEASE get you facts straight so that you may make an intelligent choice in this race.

Posted by: theplanner | March 30, 2008 8:27 PM

Hispana - you sound like another child left behind.....
Its Obama time, American time.

Posted by: FebM | March 30, 2008 8:27 PM

I agree with everything my Senator (Casey) said today. Obama inspires me, and I am an old white guy. But an old white guy votin' for Obama in PA.

Posted by: vilberg | March 30, 2008 8:27 PM

I agree with everything my Senator (Casey) said today. Obama inspires me, and I am an old white guy. But an old white guy votin' for Obama in PA.

Posted by: vilberg | March 30, 2008 8:27 PM

Hispana - another child left behind.....
Its Obama time, American time.

Posted by: FebM | March 30, 2008 8:27 PM

Clinton should drop out. Now.

Posted by: nezbangi | March 30, 2008 8:21 PM

Clinton should drop out. Now.

Posted by: nezbangi | March 30, 2008 8:21 PM

@ THEPLANNER:


First, Rev. Wright is NOT racist-- he is well respected and admired; if you CHOOSE to get your knowledge from 10-second looped soundbites on a biased, neocon "news" network, rather than listen to the sermon in context and get to know why Black and Brown people feel the way they do about this country, then you will forever remain ignorant about such things.

Second, Hillary was a fervent supporter of Barry Goldwater-- need I say more...
Hillary and Bill's longtime mentor WAS A KNOWN KLANSMAN AND SEGREGATIONIST, James William Fulbright-- they rewarded him with statues and awards!!
Several of Hilary's surrogates, including her husband have made blatant racist remarks against Obama, and seem especially fond of bringing up his race when it suits them.

THIRD, Rev. Wright's church is unashamedly Black because Black Americans were stripped of their history, culture and ethnic heritage due to American slavery. White people in this country know their ethnicities and heritage-- therefore a "white" centered church would be moot by comparison; however an "Irish" or "Polish", etc. church would be comparable to the reasoning for a "Black" centered church.


----

I'm sure though, you will find some reason to remain prejudice even after having your question thoroughly answered.

Posted by: grikalee | March 30, 2008 8:21 PM

The people in Ohio got duped by Hillary and it was learned that it was her campaign that contacted the Canadian's on NAPTA and that she in fact suported NAPTA.I bet the people in Ohio wished they had their vote back now. April 15 is when Hillary states she will show her tax return,I tell the people in Penn that if she gives an excuse why she can't show them, I'm sure the people in Penn will do the right thing. Don't make the same mistake Ohio did.

Posted by: big__ez | March 30, 2008 8:16 PM

Thank you, Senator Casey, for your judgment in supporting Senator Obama's campaign. We need to turn the page to a younger generation of politicians and voters, and you and Obama will help move our nation to a better future for all our children. We are all hoping your great state of Pennsylvania will strike for freedom from the Clinton dynasty's money and dirt machine. Say no to Lady Hillary Macbeth and her character assassinations.

Posted by: shirleylim | March 30, 2008 8:14 PM

all you young people who call us evangelical christians a pain in the butt had better check out this obama's religeon. black liberation theology. and it don't include white libs. don't get fooled.

Posted by: 12thgenamerican | March 30, 2008 8:11 PM

STORY BEHIND THE CLINTON MYTH

One big fact has largely been lost in the recent coverage of the Democratic presidential race: Hillary Rodham Clinton has virtually no chance of winning.

Her own campaign acknowledges there is no way that she will finish ahead in pledged delegates. That means the only way she wins is if Democratic super delegates are ready to risk a backlash of historic proportions from the party's most reliable constituency.

Unless Clinton is able to at least win the primary popular vote -- which also would take nothing less than an electoral miracle -- and use that achievement to pressure super delegates, she has only one scenario for victory. An African-American opponent and his backers would be told that, even though he won the contest with voters, the prize is going to someone else.

People who think that scenario is even remotely likely are living on another planet.

As it happens, many people inside Clinton's campaign live right here on Earth. One important Clinton adviser estimated to Politico privately that she has no more than a 10 percent chance of winning her race against Barack Obama, an appraisal that was echoed by other operatives.

In other words: The notion of the Democratic contest being a dramatic cliffhanger is a game of make-believe.


Politico's top editors draw on their experience at the nation's largest news organizations to pull back the curtain on coverage decisions and the media mindset.


Journalists have become partners with the Clinton campaign in pretending that the contest is closer than it really is. Most coverage breathlessly portrays the race as a down-to-the-wire sprint between two well-matched candidates, one only slightly better situated than the other to win in August at the national convention in Denver.

One reason is fear of embarrassment. In its zeal to avoid predictive reporting of the sort that embarrassed journalists in New Hampshire, the media -- including Politico -- have tended to avoid zeroing in on the tough math Clinton faces.

Avoiding predictions based on polls even before voters cast their ballots is wise policy. But that's not the same as drawing sober and well-grounded conclusions about the current state of a race after millions of voters have registered their preferences.


The antidote to last winter's flawed predictions is not to promote a misleading narrative based on the desired but unlikely story line of one candidate.

There are other forces also working to preserve the notion of a contest that is still up for grabs.

One important, if subliminal, reason is self-interest. Reporters and editors love a close race -- it's more fun and it's good for business.

The media are also enamored of the almost mystical ability of the Clintons to work their way out of tight jams, as they have done for 16 years at the national level. That explains why some reporters are inclined to believe the Clinton campaign when it talks about how she's going to win on the third ballot at the Democratic National Convention in August.

That's certainly possible -- and, to be clear, we'd love to see the race last that long -- but it's folly to write about this as if it is likely.

It's also hard to overstate the role the talented Clinton camp plays in shaping the campaign narrative, first by subtly lowering the bar for the performance necessary to remain in the race, and then by keeping the focus on Obama's relationships with a political fixer and a controversial pastor in Illinois.


But even some of Clinton's own advisers now concede that she cannot win unless Obama is hit by a political meteor. Something that merely undermines him won't be enough. It would have to be some development that essentially disqualifies him.

Simple number-crunching has shown the long odds against Clinton for some time.

In the latest Associated Press delegate count, Obama leads with 1,406 pledged delegates to Clinton's 1,249. Obama's lead is likely to grow, as it did with county conventions last weekend in Iowa, as later rounds of delegates are apportioned from caucuses he has already won.

The Democratic Party has 794 super delegates, the party insiders who get to vote on the nomination in addition to the delegates chosen by voters.
According to Politico's latest tally, Clinton has 250 and Obama has 212.
That means 261 are uncommitted, and 71 have yet to be named.

An analysis by Politico's Avi Zenilman shows that Clinton's lead in super delegates has shrunk by about 60 in the past month. And it found Clinton is roughly tied among House members, senators and governors -- the party's most powerful elite.

Clinton had not announced a new super delegate commitment since the March 4 primaries, until the drought was broken recently by Rep. John P. Murtha
(D-Pa.) and West Virginia committeeman Pat Maroney.

Clintonistas continue to talk tough. Phil Singer, the Clinton campaign's deputy communications director, told reporters on a conference call Friday that the Obama campaign "is in hot water" and is "seeing the ground shift away from them."

Mark Penn, the campaign's chief strategist, maintained that it's still "a hard-fought race between two potential nominees" and that other factors could come into play at the convention besides the latest delegate tally -- "the popular vote, who will have won more delegates from primaries [as opposed to caucuses], who will be the stronger candidate against McCain."

But let's assume a best-case scenario for Clinton, one where she wins every remaining contest with 60 percent of the vote (an unlikely outcome since she has hit that level in only three states so far -- her home state of New York, Rhode Island and Arkansas).

Even then, she would still be behind Obama in delegates.

There are 566 pledged delegates up for grabs in upcoming contests. Those delegates come from Pennsylvania (158), Guam (4) North Carolina (115), Indiana (72), West Virginia (28), Kentucky (51), Oregon (52), Puerto Rico (55), Montana (16) and South Dakota (15).

If Clinton won 60 percent of those delegates, she would get 340 delegates to Obama's 226. Under that scenario -- and without revote in Michigan and Florida -- Obama would still lead in delegates by 1,632 to 1,589.

The only remote possibility of a win in delegates would come if revote were held in Florida and Michigan -- which, again, would take a political miracle.
If Clinton won 60 percent of the delegates in both states, she would win 188 delegates and Obama would win 125. Clinton would then lead among pledged delegates, 1,777 to 1,757.

The other elephant in the room for Clinton is that Obama is almost certain to win North Carolina, with its high percentage of African-American voters, and also is seen as extremely strong in Oregon.

Harold Ickes, an icon of the Democratic Party who is Clinton's chief delegate strategist, points out that every previous forecast about this race has been faulty.

Asked about the Obama campaign's contention that it's mathematically impossible for Clinton to win, Ickes replied: "They can't count. At the end of it, even by the Obama campaign's prediction, neither candidate will have enough delegates to be nominated."

This is true, as a matter of math. But even the Clinton campaign's own best-case scenario has her finishing behind Obama when all the nominating contests are over.

"She will be close to him but certainly not equal to him in pledged delegates," a Clinton adviser said. "When you add the super delegates on top of it, I'll think she'll still be behind him somewhat in total delegates -- but very, very close."

The total gap is likely to be 75 to 110, the adviser said.

That means Clinton would need either some of those pledged delegates to switch their support -- which technically they can do, though it would be unlikely -- or for the white-dominated group of super delegates to join forces with her to topple Obama.

To foster doubt about Obama, Clinton supporters are using a whisper and pressure campaign to make an 11th-hour argument to party insiders that he would be a weak candidate in November despite his superior standing at the moment.

"All she has left is the electability argument," a Democratic official said.
"It's all wrapped around: Is there something that makes him ultimately unelectable?"

But the audience for that argument, the super delegates, will not easily overturn the will of the party's voters. And in fact, a number of heavyweight Democrats are looking at the landscape and laying the groundwork to dissuade Clinton from trying to overturn the will of the party rank and file.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who has not endorsed either candidate, appears to be among them. She told Bloomberg Television that super delegates should "respect for what has been said by the people." And she told ABC's "This Week" that it would be "harmful to the Democratic Party" if super delegates overturn the outcome of elections.

A Democratic strategist said that given the unlikelihood of prevailing any other way, Clinton now must "scare" super delegates "who basically just want to win."

The strategist said Clinton aides are now relying heavily on the controversy over Obama's retiring minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, to sow new seeds of doubt.

"This issue is the first thing that's come along that I think is potentially fatal to his electability argument," the strategist said.

"They're looking ahead and saying: Is it possible this thing is just going to drip, drip, drip, drip -- more video? Where does that leave us if he's our presumptive nominee and he's limping into the convention and the Republicans are just ready to go on him, double-barreled?"

The strategist also said Clinton's agents are making more subtle pitches.

"I've heard people start to say: Have you looked at the vote in Ohio really carefully? See how that breaks down for him. What does that portend?" said the strategist. "Then they point to Pennsylvania: In electoral important battleground states, if he is essentially only carrying heavy African-American turnout in high-performing African-American districts and the Starbucks-sipping, Volvo-driving liberal elite, how does he carry a state like Pennsylvania?"

Her advisers say privately that the nominee will be clear by the end of June. At the same time, they recognize that the nominee probably is clear already.

What has to irk Clintons' aides is that they felt she might finally have him on the ropes, bruised badly by the Wright fight and wobbly in polls. But the bell rang long ago in the minds of too many voters.

Posted by: marthadavidson | March 30, 2008 8:09 PM

You know what the problem with Oprah and The View and all those identity politics is? It caters to the idea that women are stupid and can be led to opinions by equally stupid people. And they're supposed to be feminist? Got a good cooking show for us all?

Posted by: thrh | March 30, 2008 8:04 PM

american1: got a life, or just a foul mouth?

Posted by: thrh | March 30, 2008 7:59 PM

Bill Clinton said it would be nice to have two people who loved America in the race.

Here's BHO's resume:
1) stopped wearing american flag lapel pin as US Senator, stating it was 'false patriotism'
2) chooses to leave islam to worship with Rev Wright for 18 yrs, who encourages congregation to sing "g-d d-amn america'
3) Ivy league wife of ivy league senator BHO gets a $200000 raise the day he is elected to the senate as a 'community outreach' officer for a Chicago Hospital. When her hubby wins the Iowa primary, she states she is proud of America for the first time in her life.

So it appears BC was right this time. BHO is 'typical affirmative action' empty suit with a major chip on shoulder.

Posted by: rahaha | March 30, 2008 7:57 PM

Clinton apologists (supporters) have NO room to criticize any other candidate!! NONE, whatsoever...

For every ONE supposed negative you can "come up with", Billary has 10. Let's get real people...

the Clinton's lies, deceit, scandals, manipulation and self-serving agendas greatly outnumber anyone else's in this race... Why do people ignore this?

Posted by: grikalee | March 30, 2008 7:55 PM

It is a great story; a week of Obama and Casey meeting real people and experiencing Pennsylvania life! Good for both of them.

Obama continues to do the right things. After he lost Ohio and the primary in Texas (but not the caucus or the total delegate count from Texas) he needed to get grass roots again by meeting and talking with voters and by moving beyond his stump speach to address issues more deeply. He is doing both.

This long primary season has definitely helped him. He is a better candidate now.

I'm sure Hillary will go negative at the very end in Pennsylvania - she has in every other state so why stop now? - but I think people are on to her negative politics now and they are ready to move on. If Obama can stay within 10% in Penn the pressure will build on Hillary to drop out. If she doesn't win both NC and Indiana a few weeks later, she'll have to.

I've been writing this for weeks: there are only two questions left for Hillary;
1) when (not if) will she drop out?
2) how low will she go in the meantime?

I'm looking forward to the Obama Administration.

Posted by: matt_ahrens | March 30, 2008 7:53 PM

Here is how James Meeks and his "{relationship with Obama were described in a 2004 Men's News Daily report during Obama's 2004 US Senate campaign:
Obama's closest religious advisers -- Fr. (Michael) Pfleger, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ, and Illinois State Sen. James Meeks, who moonlights as the pastor of Chicago's Salem Baptist Church - may have quotes from Scripture always handy, but are theologically closer to Karl Marx and black nationalism, than to Christianity."

And the hetero anti-homo crazies coonhound hunter honkey klansman posters say??

Posted by: thrh | March 30, 2008 7:51 PM

Cool. They've been campaigning together all weekend. Hillary has had plenty of news this weekend. If you don't like it, then go to another website. Obama is in Pennsylvania campaigning and he had a 22,000 person crowd waiting for him. Hillary and her husband represent the old days of politics. It's time for the new days. Get used to it.

Posted by: R_ainy | March 30, 2008 7:49 PM

To Hispana:

If you know anything about math, Obama is not running nervous about PA., he knows he won't win that state, but at this point, as long as he keeps the delegate lead, it's really over...

NC will cancel the PA. win for Clinton...
Also, check the 1960 election scenario....

Posted by: sss1219 | March 30, 2008 7:47 PM

Obama is more than a Left Wing Loony..................Obama is m... He is a American hating, bigot and Racist!
Obama From Dreams of My Father,
" I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASISVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER'S RACE". Barack Hussein Obama
From 'Dreams of my Father', "The emotion between the races could never be pure, even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race (WHITE) would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart." Barack Hussein Obama
From Dreams Of My Father: "That hate hadn't gone away," he wrote, BLAMING "WHITE PEOPLE - some CRUEL, some IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives." Barack Hussein Obama
From 'Dreams Of My Father', "There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs," he wrote. "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on,to show your LOYALTY TO THE BLACK MASSES, TO STRIKE OUT and name names" Barack Hussein Obama

OBAMA EXPRESSES HIS ADMIRATION FOR ISLAM: &g t; Quote from Barack Obama's book, Dreams Of My Father: "THE PERSON WHO MADE ME THE PROUDEST, though, was [HALF BROTHER] Roy .. HE CONVERTED TO ISLAM"
From 'Dreams of my Father', "IN INDONESIA I SPENT TWO YEARS IN A MUSLIM SCHOOL" "I STUDIED THE KORAN"
From 'Audacity of Hope: "Lolo (OBAMA'S STEPFATHER) FOLLOWED ISLAM...."I LOOKED TO LOLO FOR GUIDANCE".
From 'The Audacity Of Hope, "I WILL STAND WITH THE MUSLIMS should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."
From The Audacity Of Hope, "WE ARE NO LONGER JUST A CHRISTIAN NATION," "WE ARE ALSO a Jewish nation, A MUSLIM NATION, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers."
Obama is telling us plainly that he APPROVES of Islam. DENY TH AT HE ISN'T! He tells us how proud he is of his brother who converted to Islam!!
(by the way, his brother is a radical Islamic in Africa!) He tells us that he looked to his stepfather for guidance and that he was a MUSLIM. He tells us blatantly that HE WILL STAND WITH THE MUSLIMS. He tell us that he DID attend a Muslim school, although his handlers have tried to deny it. He is telling us that America is no longer a Christian nation- that western civilization which owes its greatness and strength from the morality outlined in the Bible, and by Jewish teachings is no more!!
What do you think might be the possible consequences of electing a president with admiration for Islam??
Mass immigration of radical Muslims?? Yes. He wants an open border! Amnesty for the invading horde!

Posted by: american1 | March 30, 2008 7:45 PM

Pennsylvania voters are mostly conservative in their values and with a good christian foundation. A good number of them are average americans and they are focused on the economy which is a major issue on the state. The great majority of folks would pick the candidate that has a record of accomplishment versus one that only has promises in his pedigree. So, they will vote for Hillary.

Posted by: Hispana | March 30, 2008 7:39 PM

Bravo to Senator Casey for backing the candidate who can take us to a better day for America. HRC would set us back and not bring about the CHANGE we need. Time to get out of Iraq and stop letting my veteran brothers die and get maimed. Time to stop spending the trillion and counting to support infrastructure and a puppet government we installed. Senator Casey like many other super-delegate types are lining up and by June 4th we will know that Barack Obama is our nominee. time then to take on Senator Mc War with his lack of economic knowledge. Beware the fear factor card the Republicans will undoubtedly play. They will put up a boogeyman and wish for us to think that only their our way or the highway world is real.
Barack Obama is someone with a better jaw than most thought and will be tough and spill our blood only for real proven good reasons. i will never forgive Hillary or the others who backed George W. lies. Go to the nearest veterans hospital or go see the movie stop loss so you understand better why I support Senator Obama.

Barack and Roll in 2008

Posted by: pedraza1 | March 30, 2008 7:39 PM

You are right about how selective the Post is in choosing its articles. Folks, see through this. Obama's camp is running nervous because the Primary in Pennsylvania is approaching. What do you think there is that is common among these 2 candidates? NOTHING.

Bob Casey had to make a choise and family loyalties prevented him to go with Clinton or Rendell. Obama will not succeed in Pennsylvania at all!!!

Posted by: Hispana | March 30, 2008 7:34 PM

I like the fact that Casey isn't afraid to stand up to the intimidation machine of Billary. Lord knows everyone else is terrified of being labelled a Judas by the hideous and demonic Carville.

Posted by: nezbangi | March 30, 2008 7:33 PM

Maybe they'll take a shot at milking Hillary!!!

Posted by: nezbangi | March 30, 2008 7:29 PM

HERE IS A QUESTION I HAVE YET TO HAVE ANSWERED BY AN OBAMA SUPPORTER: If Hillary had been going to a "white centered" church for 20 years; the fundamental theology of the church was one of white versus black; the pastor of the church often made racist remarks against blacks, and blamed all of society's ills on black people; the pastor of the church gave David Duke a lifetime achievement award; and Hillary considered this pastor her "mentor and spiritual adviser"; would you give her the pass that you are giving Obama. I doubt you could answer this question honestly, so I'll tell you what would happen: The righteous indignation of Obama and the media would rise up, the demand would be made that Hillary withdraw from the nomination process immediately, and Hillary's political career would be over, period.

Posted by: theplanner | March 30, 2008 7:27 PM

Typical media fluff piece. Obama goes bowling! Obama milks cows! Obama goes to a diner and wows woman! Obama plays basketball! Obama and Casey engage in silly male bonding. Give your readers some credit.

Posted by: brewstercounty | March 30, 2008 7:26 PM

To: "gandalfthegrey"


Very well stated. I appreciate you insight and approach to this election.

Posted by: alexanderweber | March 30, 2008 7:20 PM

Why headline this lame bowling, young male senator bonding sotry when sidelining the Rendell opinion and Richard Scaife's "Clinton reevaluated" op ed piece? There were some key things coming out of Pennsylvania today, and the Washington Post found a way to focus on Obama. In the Richard Scaife story, this was a very interesting note from the heart of the "vast right wing conspiracy" media empire, issuing a favorable political and personal view of Clinton!

How strange that this lame story about Obama and Casey bowlign is the one the Post picked as being national news of note.

"Hillary, reassessed"
by Richard Scaife at the Pittsburg Tribune
pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_559659.html

Posted by: AsperGirl | March 30, 2008 7:07 PM

Obama's Bible Study Class

James Meeks - an Illinois state senator, pastor of one of the largest churches in the state and a declared Spiritual Adviser for Obama - came under fire for comments rebroadcast last week calling white American mayors "slave masters" and referring to black preachers and politicians who "protect" the "white man" as "house n-ggers."

"We don't have slave masters, we got mayors," Meeks said in an August 2006 sermon broadcast on a Chicago community television channel.
Aside from his senatorial duties, Meeks is an Illinois Superdelegate pledged to Obama and also presides over Salem Baptist Church, described as the largest church in Illinois.


In 2006, Meeks informed his church during a sermon he may run for Illinois governor. He was recorded telling the mostly black congregation any "white Christian" who doesn't vote for him is a "racist." Speaking from his pulpit Meeks said, "if I don't have every white Christian vote in the state of Illinois, I will stand on top of the Sears Tower and call every one of y'all racist."

Meeks is also notorious for his strong anti-homosexual platform, although Obama is campaigning for the "gay" vote. Meeks has routinely voted against pro-homosexual legislation and has been quoted during sermons referring to same-sex attraction "an evil sickness."

Obama told the Sun-Times that he is an attendee of Meeks' Salem Baptist Church for Wednesday night Bible Study.

According to Illinois State Board of Elections records, Rezko's businesses, Rezmar Corp. and Rezko Concession, contributed to Meeks' campaign funds.

A recent Meeks endorsement is touted on Obama's campaign website.

Here is how James Meeks and his relationship with Obama were described in a 2004 Men's News Daily report during Obama's 2004 US Senate campaign:
Obama's closest religious advisers -- Fr. (Michael) Pfleger, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ, and Illinois State Sen. James Meeks, who moonlights as the pastor of Chicago's Salem Baptist Church - may have quotes from Scripture always handy, but are theologically closer to Karl Marx and black nationalism, than to Christianity.

Posted by: olandug | March 30, 2008 7:06 PM


With 163 of 284 convention results counted, it appears that Obama has taken the TX caucuses with 56% of the delegates to 44% for Hillary (and 87% of total delegates counted).

Posted by: CarolBG | March 30, 2008 7:03 PM

Copyright Reverend Irving Wright with twenty years of Amens from Barry Obama

While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us repudiate a land that's so called free,
Let us all be hateful for a land that's so called fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer.

God Da-mn America,
Land that I loathe.
Stand astride her, yet despise her
With a chip on a shoulder from above.
From the plantations, up to Harvard
To the Jews rich from our blood
God Da-am America, keepin' us down down down.

Posted by: rahaha | March 30, 2008 6:59 PM

Get real! Hillary can dodge bullets even an imaginary ones, Obama can't do taht no matter he is much more skinnier than Hill

Posted by: bluelagoon21 | March 30, 2008 6:56 PM

Casey's endorsement is simply anti-Clinton and is a sad statement of Casey's insecurity in the Clinton camp. So the social conservative Casey endorses the most liberal candidate for President...doesn't that tell you something else? "Casey Democrats" are "Santorum independents" and will vote solidly with McCain in the fall election. Pennsylvania may even go Republican this time around if Obama is the candidate in the general election. Congrats again to the DNC for sticking with another loser (Obama) and electing a Republican to succeed Bush. Let Michigan and Florida re-vote, for God's sake.

Posted by: nugentja2 | March 30, 2008 6:49 PM


Oprah: A Sister, or a Sistah?

Oprah Winfrey has been dubbed a "traitor" by some of her female fans for supporting Barack Obama instead of Hillary Clinton...In the original post, a reader called austaz68 said... "For the first time in history we actually have a shot at putting a woman in the White House and Oprah backs the black MAN. She's choosing her race over her gender."

White women thought Oprah was their sister, but they found out she's a sistah first.

Oprah recently attended a celebrity-studded Obama rally that included pop music legend Stevie Wonder.

OK, why is even Stevie Wonder supporting Obama? I mean, if anyone should be color-blind, it's Stevie Wonder.

Posted by: kendreik | March 30, 2008 6:47 PM

PA may have been fond of Bill, but this is a new generation, a new era, a decision between the past ver the future. and the choice is clear. Reclaim America for the young by engaging them now with Barack's bottom up call for change.

Posted by: FebM | March 30, 2008 6:44 PM

As an independent voter, I have watched from afar as Mrs. Clinton distinguished herself as an effective legislator from N.Y. It seems obvious that Senator Hillary Clinton is a politically astute legislator who understands how to fight for her priorities and help to shape voter perceptions on issues she sees as important. She is especially fierce when it comes to dealing with those she characterizes as the "right-wing conspiracy" ...including the Republican "machine."

To counteract the Right-wing Machine, Mrs. Clinton and her husband, have built a Clinton Machine... which seems to this independent voter as every bit as hard-nosed and dedicated to beating the "right-wing" as they are to beating her. The Clinton machine can match the Right-wing at every level...hitting back mercilessly when attacked and working the "system" to gain every advantage in what both sides think is a struggle for America.

But, it is not a struggle for America.

They engage in a struggle to win - at all costs.

It is a struggle to crush the other side.

Forged in the self-inflicted wounds of the 1990's they fight for survival. Both sides - angry and dug in.

Well, I am tired of this zero-sum approach to national politics.

I'm tired of Tom Delay and Dick Cheney, and yes - I'm very weary of the Clintons.

The real goals of both the Republican and Clinton machines are simply irrelevant to our national purpose. Mean and angry - red states and blue - they split the nation in half along ideological positions and we go absolutely nowhere as a nation in tough times.

To them it is always "payback time."

Furthermore, these ideological warriors are ignorant of our true American national promise ... a people united to make our country healthy, strong and good for our kids. We can be tough on defense and kind to each other - at the same time.

We've just seen what happens when one side suddenly gets into power...the neo-con driven approach to Iraq has failed miserably because the warrior camp under Cheney and Rumsfeld had no thoughts beyond the first step - crushing the enemy. (Now Patreaus is tamping down violence - but for how long - and then what? Just pull out?)

I fear the same will be true if the Clinton Camp returns to power...swept along by the nation's disgust with the Bush administration. The Clinton pendulum will swing too far in its quest to crush the enemy... it will alienate the 50.1% American who voted Republican in the 2004 election.

Left to her own devices, and without her deep-seated anger, Hillary might be a good President -but she will never, ever be left to her own devices...she is part of the machine warfare that practices what might be characterized aptly as the politics of ideological rage.

Furthermore, she thinks that she has to prove to us that she's "tough" - so much so that she has imagined sniper bullets in Bosnia and breaking down borders in Macedonia.

And then there is her husband, the former President, who seems destined to play the "Cheney role" in her administration.

He's gone over the edge -unrestrained by the limits of his former Office, he is degenerated into a mean spirited "attack" dog for the "machine."

Yes, he's now smiling and bowing and apologizing...but Bill Clinton wants to win - at any cost. And that motivation includes crushing Obama - if he stands in the way.

A Clinton Presidency will just add to the politics of hate and rage that is poisoning our national political dialogue. A Clinton Presidency will merely add to the level of nastiness that have caused many, many elected officials on both sides of the aisle to attempt to distance themselves from the machines.

That's exactly why more folks like me are independents.

In this first decade of the 21st Century, highly partisan politics is not going to help America, either domestically or internationally.

We need to disarm the haters - take away their raison d'êtres. We need to get beyond the "conspiracy wars" of the 1990's.

I think that we need to thank the Clintons for their service, let Hillary go back to the Senate where she can craft major legislation, and Mr. Clinton can go back to his private affairs - and stay out of the White House.

With due respect, (and I voted for him - twice) the Clintons are from the past.

We have been looking for a new direction and a new energy. Let's look beyond the Clintons.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | March 30, 2008 6:42 PM

This is a good sign. THIS is how we are going to win in November. Good for Casey, Richardson and the rest who are strong enough to go with Obama now and face the possibility of being accused of being a "Judas." That is NOT the way to win in November. Both sides need to keep it positive. If Hillary can gain momentum with a positive campaign, she deserves a look from the super delegates. If she tries to somehow win ugly, everyone loses.

Posted by: johnsonc2 | March 30, 2008 6:38 PM

Well heck, if he can milk cows - must be able to run a country. Doesn't take much - woman running the rec center is voting for him - cause he came in. I love my fellow voters!

Posted by: darleneann | March 30, 2008 6:37 PM

I HOPE that Obama comes back real hard in Pennsylvania. I am so tired of this race without a reason. I've argued with people like Hillary Clinton and its just annoying. The FACTS don't matter.

I voted for Clinton in 1992 and 1996. I voted for Hillary in NY twice. I can't imagine listening to her and the Republicans fight for 4 years (she wouldn't win a second term) if she could win in November. We want a government that works for US not for the party or candidate only.

I came to this country from a place where there was no democracy at that time (Uganda in 1973) and I think we take democracy for granted. If Hillary decided to suspend, but watch she could still be the nominee if Obama really messed up. However, she would have the benefit of not having to say "out out damn spot" if Obama loses in November. I couldn't imagine that she would have that level of self sacrifice in her though.

Posted by: jdavid61 | March 30, 2008 6:01 PM

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