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Clinton Gets Her Irish Up

By Perry Bacon Jr.

Pittsburgh-- Senator Hillary Clinton, facing criticism this week for allegedly overstating her role in some of the successes of her husband's administration, today defended campaign statements from her campaign that she helped along the peace process in Northern Ireland and the creation of a health care program for low-income children here in the U.S.

"I actually went to Belfast more than Bill," Clinton said
on the Northern Ireland question. In describing her role in the State Children's Health Insurance Program, Clinton told reporters on her campaign plane "I was very much involved in helping create it."

Her influence in Northern Ireland was a particularly important topic as the New York Senator courted the Irish-Americans in Pennsylvania today. She appeared at St. Patrick's Day parades in Pittsburgh and Scranton in her fourth day in Pennsylvania in just the last week. The Keystone State holds the next Democratic presidential primary on April 22.

After Clintons wins in Texas and Ohio last week, Obama aides and the press have increasingly focused on Clinton's claims about her experience during her husband's White House terms. Clinton visited more than 80 countries as First Lady but she did not have a foreign policy staff (Clinton had aides who worked on domestic policy) or have any major initatives on foreign policy like she had in health care, where she essentially directed White House policy during the administration's first two years.

Her role in Northern Ireland seems to have been as engaged participant in the peace talks but not one of the chief negotiators. She says she has remained involved in the issue, meeting with Britain's secretary of the state for Northern Ireland earlier this week.

On health care, Senators Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch provided much of the energy behind getting the children's health care bill signed, although the Clinton administration and the former First Lady supported the idea. Clinton declined to directly answer about whether SCHIP would have become law had she not been in the White House, instead noting she was "very much involved."

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Comments

Chezqua,

That's a mighty long read, but a highly informative one. It certainly helps put the lie to Hillary's ridiculous exaggerations about her "foreigh policy accomplishments." The senator is a true fabulist--or to put it in less flowery terms, a now-proven liar.

All of which makes me question why the WaPo isn't doing some actual in-depth reporting on these and other Clinton distortions instead of posting these stupid, shallow blog entries. Once upon a time, the Post was a real newspaper. Now it seems to be an empty shell of its former self, at least online. Katharine Graham would be ashamed.

Posted by: whatmeregister | March 16, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Martin...

It's a common tactic to force someone else to take on one's burden of proof. It was not my obligation to read your biography before posting. It was your responsibility to bring a specific charge. You then resort to attacking me as an uneducated poster (along with a gratuitous slam at the Clinton campaign). My news sources include the Post, the BBC, C-Span (great for unfiltered discourse), and the Economist amongst others. A range of voices foreign and domestic. Sorry if your writings for a conservative magazine fails to impress me. You're a bomb-thrower. Nothing more.

I see that you also abandoned your claim that the Lewinsky scandal forced parents to have THAT talk. Then again, if it got a few ostriches to take their heads out of the sand, Bill did us a national service.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 16, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Of course she is padding her resume, I did that many times, I've read such resumes many times. Basically it doesn't do any good, because somehow such resumes sound slightly awry. I never got a job based on a touched up resume.

I am increasingly worried, however, about the self destructive path of the Democratic Party. You can perfectly see it in threads like this. The discussions are increasingly aggressive and some of the commenters behave outright trollish.

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/16/peak-bile/

Posted by: old_europe | March 16, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

svreader-you should be called sv-nonreader. It is obvious that you only know what the Clinton propaganda line is and you have no facts.

Posted by: majorteddy | March 16, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of Irish, the Irish exposed her resume padding this week.They said she had really nothing more to do with the Northern Ireland peace talks tan a photo op. And now comes her exposure over the S-CHIP bill passage. The senators really behind that said she had nothing to do with writing that either. Cut out the fluff Hillary. Just give us the facts. Like we want to see the tax forms for you and Bill for 2000-2007 where you and Bill actually received the $50million , even if they are Xerox copies!

Posted by: majorteddy | March 16, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

what kind of person she is. Dishonest.

Posted by: jjacobs_msn
==========================================

Are you saying Obama is honest. My goodness, he is a career politician. They're all dishonest to a degree. They are talking to fools, don't you know.

Posted by: bnw173 | March 16, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Interesting WashPo how you ignored the stunning and very warm reception Hillary received thru the whole parade. This was not a staged event and it shows that Obama mania never made it to Pa. We know BS when we hear it. We will save the Dem party from itself and the many Independents who helped Obama win other states. This is a closed primary.
-- -- --
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton transformed the annual St. Patrick's Day parade into a blocks-long campaign rally as she was marched and waved before an almost uniformly welcoming crowd.

Mrs. Clinton was flanked by a show of her Pennsylvania support, Gov. Ed Rendell, Lt. Gov. Catherine Baker Knoll, County Chief Executive Dan Onorato and Mayor Luke Ravenstahl, as she was cheered without interruption under a gray sky.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08076/865599-85.stm

And check the photo caption! They are a bit early but eventually will be right.

"Democratic presidential nominee, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, appeared in the St. Patrick's Day parade Downtown yesterday. She was accompanied by Allegheny County Chief Executive Dan Onorato on her right and Gov. Ed Rendell on her left."

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 16, 2008 1:40 AM | Report abuse

svreader, thanks for the information. I may not agree totally with you at the political level, but we favor democrats and that is what is important. Raising two daughters who became MD is something very significant. If this is true, all my congratulations!

Posted by: Logan6 | March 16, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

How anyone can say the teachings of Reverend Wright in the name of Christianity are okay is beyond me.
I am so sick of hearing this crap about it being a black thing, that whites don't understand.
I understand that the blacks were mistreated. I understand that minorities have been mistreated, all minorities. I understand that women have been treated as property and mistreated.
But I did not mistreat any black person and no black person making these racist remarks was themself a slave.
They are Americans, the same as I am an American. When other people come to our country and become American citizens they take an oath to this country.
Why is it okay for the people of this church to swear allegiance to Africa but enjoy all the benifits of being Americans.

Racism is not one-sided.
I am white and was raised in the South Philadelphia slums. I went to an all black school and let me tell you, the blacks even when I was in first grade were already filled with hate towards me because I was white. Little kids, 7 years old would surround me and say give us your milk money, and when I said no they would say "we gone git you after school."
When I was in Junior High School I used to get a permission slip to leave school 5 minutes early so I wouldn't get beat up on the way home.
I lived in a family that did not believe in racism but that didn't matter to the kids at school because at home they were being taught racism.
I have a sister who married a black man, and a nephew who is bi-racial and I do not see people by the color of their skin.
We have to move past this racial divide, but people like Reverend Wright and people who want to be a part of this kind of organization do not do anything to put this divide behind us.

I cannot accept that Barrack Obama does not share these views that were expressed in his Church while he sat there for 20 years.

Racism still lives in our society and it will not be eradicated by constantly living in the anger and hate of our ancesters of any race. We are all Americans.
If you don't love this country and want to give your allegiance to another country than that is where you should live.

I love my country and although it is not perfect, I would not want to live anywhere else. I will not vote for a racist for my President.

Posted by: chersplace | March 16, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

svreader are you afraid? I don't have a PHD certainly you can out-debate me.

what are Clintons qualifications for president?

with no response I'll just assume she is unqualified for the job.

-- Patrick

Posted by: contactozzy | March 15, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

More and more Hillary seems to be holding a live grenade in a Democratic party and warning that if she doesn't get the nomination, we will be sorry ...

No Ma'am, we are sorry, but not over that.

We are sorry the way you and your husband disgraced the presidency and the Party, playing victim while you passed us the bill.

Now we are saying, your latest check has bounced for insufficient funds--you have no more credit after the race baiting, the blatant misrepresentations, and your failure to even come close with a stacked deck ...

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 15, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

logan6 --

Nope. Both are MD's.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

We need some facts from the Clintons and their supporters... We need the Clintons' records (tax returns, White House records, list of big donors to their foundations). With these facts, the Clintons will go to jail and Barack will move on with McCain.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 15, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade:

You say "baseless charge" to my comment:

"Not for those of us who gave up promising careers to throw our bodies in front of the tank of corruption being driven by the Clintons."

Type my name into Google and the word "whistleblower."

Just for giggles, at in the name "Reno".

See what you come up with.

You should educate yourself before you make claims such as you did ... but of course, with trained seals running the Clinton campaign, what could one expect?

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 15, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse


svreader,

get some help!

or better yet post everywhere, pretty soon everyone who reads your diatribes will vote for Barack.

oh yeah, by the way where are those facts? I guess they just don't exist.

Thanks,
Patrick.

Posted by: contactozzy | March 15, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Martin...

Oh yes. Bill having an affair is the reason that millions of American children were exposed to... wait for it... SEX. I wonder what sort of conversations parents today have been having about internships, wide stances, and proper wiring of money for call girls. I suspect that the conversations held on Sept. 12, 2001, were far more serious and disturbing.

You've let yourself be distracted by trivia.

Now to more substantive charges

"Not for those of us who gave up promising careers to throw our bodies in front of the tank of corruption being driven by the Clintons."

Baseless charge.

"And not for those proud of the Democratic Party's record on civil and human rights; the Clinton campaign engaging this time around in race coding/baiting, and Hillary just two years ago justifying torture."

You know damn well that the first charges were sent out by the Obama campaign. To be precise, the reference to MLK's dream was a comparison of Kennedy & Johnson (as evidenced by Teddy being livid over her comments). The Obama campaign made it matter of race.

Race and gender were inevitably going to play a role in this campaign. With the exception of Bill's clumsy comments following the S. Carolina primary, this has largely been an honorable campaign by both candidates. Ferraro stepped over the line. As did Wright. I judge both candidates by their own statements. I'll be delighted to support either of them. When it came time to cast my ballot, I voted for Clinton on the basis that I believed she'd be a more effective president.

Judging from the infighting within her campaign, I've reconsidered that judgement. However, those hurling baseless charges against her, damage the party and themselves.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 15, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

I was a great admirer of President Clinton. Barring the sex scandals involving Monica Lewinsky, Paula Jones etc.,his presidency was, by an large, something every American should be proud of. In the last stretch of his tenure, he came very close to clinching a peace deal in the Israeli-Palestinian dispute.

But in his entire presidency, there was not one significant moment where it was reported that his wife Hillary played any noteworthy role in the conduct or management of his foreign policy. Many of those involved in the Northern Ireland peace deal have refuted her claim that she played any major role or direct involvement in that peace process.

As for her experience in Health care issue, one can safely say that the failure of the Health Care programme during her husband's presidency was largely due to her lack of skills and diplomacy in bringing together lawmakers from both sides of the aisles.

She cannot make claim on any major success of any significant endevour, other than being a champion for women's rights, during her period as First Lady. Therefore, all this claim that she is the most experienced among the three canidates vying for the presidency is nothing but a mere hot air! If at all, if there is anyone with the most experience, it would be John McCain, followed by Barak Obama. Hillary can only be a poor third!!

Posted by: jisantiago | March 15, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

McCain is the perfect man for WW-III. But we are not there yet. There are people that need jobs, better cooperation that need to be established between nations to face the immediate challenged of denuclearisation of Iran and North Korea, fight against terrorism networks, etc. McCain would be perfect in conventional warfare. But at the beginning of this 21st century, there are other problems that need to be dealt with.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 15, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

If Oprah had not endorsed - and then campaigned for - Obama, we'd have forgotten this guy many months ago. He'll always owe his political life to Oprah Winfrey! Will you guys wake up? Obama's a kid! Four years as a senator and he's qualified to be president? You've GOT to be kidding! McCain has 27 years of military experience (while Obama was too good to join the military); yet Obama wants to be commander-in-chief? Scarry! Hillary has her baggage to be sure but she's forgotten more about politics and government than Obama will ever know.

Posted by: sgk1212 | March 15, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

FarlingtonBlade-So?

They are not MY Fault!

My Senators are John Cornyn and Kay Bailey-Hutchison! :-)

I have GOOD Senators! Ha-Ha! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Not at all irrelevant, my dear FairlingtonBlade.

Not for parents who had to have THAT conversation with their pre-teen children thanks to Bill, and Hillary, for she knew what goods we were being sold in 1992, and kept on hawking them.

Not for those of us who gave up promising careers to throw our bodies in front of the tank of corruption being driven by the Clintons.

And not for those proud of the Democratic Party's record on civil and human rights; the Clinton campaign engaging this time around in race coding/baiting, and Hillary just two years ago justifying torture.

And those are just a few reasons. But they should be sufficient.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 15, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Martin...

Nice quote, if irrelevant. I'll spot you the negatives of the 90s if you'll give Sen. Clinton credit for everything that went well.

You can't have it both ways. She can't be responsible for everything bad in the 90s (I'm still waiting to hear what was so horrible about the 90s) and simultaneously told that none of that counts for experience. Either you're not a Democrat or you're a hypocrite.

I'm a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. Clinton I (with help from a Republican congress from 94 onwards) was both. Bush II is neither. I'll take Clinton II over McBush III.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 15, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Quoting the Rat "until recently I felt that Both Hillary and Barack could be Senators-we have had worse."

Umm, Rat, they ARE senators. But, you're right. We have had worse. Vitter. Stevens. Craig. A true honor roll...

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 15, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

FairlingtonBlade:

"The struggle of man against power is the struggle of memory against forgetting."

-- Milan Kundera

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 15, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse


EGObama EGObama EGObama

NObama NObama NObama

Obama is calling for "Unity" today. Rings.... empty!!! As he fights tooth and nail against Florida and Michigan voters rights.

Everything he does is so "convenient" - for himself.

Invoking JFK and RFK today, once again Obama steals the words of great men to promote himself. Men who would be able to see through him in a heartbeat. Men Obama's life doesn't hold a birthday candle to. He has a lot of nerve - a lot of ego.

He might want to ask permission from RFK Jr. before using his father's words. RFK Jr. is a strong and adamant Hillary supporter.

He thinks he's going to tell us what to think and do. He's going to change the conversation from his lies, his cockiness, his lack of a resume, his inexperience, his unelectability, his kitchen sink full of his own dirty dishes. He thinks over a weekend he's going to step up and tell us what to think, say this say that and wave that famous magic wand of his and all his troubles and any consequence of them are are going to disappear. Everyone will BELIEVE every word he says. Boy, his mother must have given him the wrong idea about responsibility.

We aren't at all all enamored with him.

What Mr. Obama needs to do is to retire with his "spiritual adviser" and his wife. Maybe they'd all prefer Africa. They are very popular over there and they don't have to pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States. They could be proud of where they are. Hate for them to be false or anything. It should help them if they're living in their favorite land. Maybe the Kenyan flag would be easier to get that hand over your heart for?


Kind of a hard life - aspiring to everything white, yet hating and cursing it on Sunday! And through Christ no less!

Posted by: Thinker | March 15, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

I am so sick of people questioning Hillary Clinton's credentials. Her 35 years of experience include:

1. Worked for a corporate law firm. She was unfairly entangled in billing disputes.
2. Served on WalMart board. She had no issues with the labor policies there.
3. Formulated a health-care plan. The vast ring-wing conspiracy made it a disastrous health care plan that postponed universal coverage for years.
4. Travelled to over 80 countries. She had tea with foreign leaders.
5. She has extensive experience in the senate and voted for the war in Iraq.
6. Scandal after scandal. Why oh why?
7. Within a couple of years managed to lose both the house and the senate due to vindictive and divisive politics of the Clintons.

With experience like this, who needs Republicans to harm the Democratic party?

Posted by: BethesdaMD | March 15, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Martin... You seem to be obsessed with the wrong Clinton. Sen. Clinton has compiled a decent record of working across party lines. I know. It would be a shame to return to that horror that was the 90's for the U.S. Rising incomes. Reduced poverty. The horror. The horror.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 15, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

svreader,

no one likes to be personally attacked. but you do it all the time.

then you act offended when you get put in someone's sights ...

don't you see the parallel to your own well-developed sense of victimhood and that of the never-responsible-for-their-actions Clintons?

time passes, awareness grows.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 15, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

svreader-until recently I felt that Both Hillary and Barack could be Senators-we have had worse.

The Lawyer Hillary I still think could master the ropes. But, as the Executive, Nope! Reasons stated!

As for the America Damning Socialist-I hear Dubayy still has some nice lofts available, and they are even getting a Six Flags! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I've finally figured out why Hillary has been claiming all this first-lady experience: she's paving the way for Michelle in 2016 or 2020! Actually, after hearing her speak, we could do a heck of a lot worse... at least she's not schizophrenic.

Posted by: hypo | March 15, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Dr. svreader, I assume that your daughters are fervent Obama's supporters, is'nt it? Do they have Ph.D. too?

Posted by: Logan6 | March 15, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

In a thread of too many posts to read, I decided to search for the term "Hussein". What a shock, our resident xenophobe rat. At least Remy could cook.

Svreader - I see you've moved on from attacking the character of Sen. Obama to that of anyone who votes for him. As someone who didn't, please go away. You turn off anyone who would consider voting for Sen. Clinton. At least, please don't post until after Pennsylvania votes.
BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 15, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Martin --

You're in love with a fantasy.

Barry Obama is bad news.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

rat-the --

Also, don't believe what you hear about Hillary.

She's one classy lady.

I don't know a VC firm that wouldn't give anything to have her as a partner, or to run their hottest company.

She's got a steel-trap mind.

She's the smartest person I've met in Washington, and I know a lot of people there.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

In 1960, speaking of another classy Illinois Democrat, Gene McCarthy begged his fellows not to turn their backs on a man who had made them all proud to be Democrats.

Do not, he said, leave this prophet without honor in his own party.

Today, the Democratic Party is faced with the choice to honor its wonderful traditions, or lurch backwards to a legacy that can be summed up in two phrases that should put teeth on edge:

The Reaganesque, "The time for big government is over."

And the burlesque: "I did not have sex with that woman."

Let's get the Party back on track, and the country moving again, by getting behind Barack Obama.

There is no other real alternative for Democrats proud of their heritage.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 15, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

rat-the --

I know mitt personally.

Trust me. You don't want him.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

svreader, I DO have an issue with what Slick did, and what both Dem. Contenders want as far as Amnesty.

At LEAST McCain will NOT appoint Libbie Judges, and at least he IS qualified for half the Job(Commander in Chief).

BUT, Clinton's de-regulation of the Banks, and EO 13166 have done very greivious harm to ME, and Our Country in general!

If you have not figured it out yet,

I DEMAND Mitt ROMNEY as the Vice Presidential Candidate! IF, McCain does not get him in, the RepubliCANS, might not! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

gene9 --

I don't have the time. Far from it.

I became a Democrat after having a "near death experience"

I decided to focus my efforts on getting Universal health care passed.

Although I can afford to pay for pretty much anything I want out of my pocket many people can't.

As a country, we can't do everything, but I feel that at least we can ensure that no American dies alone, in pain, in the gutter.

I started posting here because I believed I could make a difference.

Its clear all I've done is waste my time, energy, and emotion.

One of my daughters is an emergency room physician.

I asked her about her work and she said that most people who come in with gunshot wounds are mean and nasty to the Doctors trying to save their lives.

What I've learned from interacting with Obama supporters is that many of them act like infantile, heartless, thugs.

I'm starting to believe that I was wrong about Democrats and the Democratic Party.

I hope that's not the case, but Obama's supporters insult anyone who disagees with them and care more about winning at any cost than they do about human suffering.

Obama's supporters are arrogant and cruel.

I want no part of them.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Yguangzhao,

I hope the Clinton camp is still paying you well for your pro-Hillary postings. Nice work if you can get it.

Posted by: mykolas1 | March 15, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse


Hi Svreader,

I think we have all gathered that you don't care for Obama. Noted.

Why should someone vote for Clinton for president? What positive traits does she have?

Are you afraid to respond to this question and the others I've posted?

Are all Clinton supporters this timid in defending the qualifications of their candidate?

-- Patrick.

Posted by: contactozzy | March 15, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Mr. SVreader, where do you get the time to spend to do all these postings? Just scanning them quickly turns up scores of them. If you DO have a PhD., I've always heard that we all know what BS stands for, and PhD means "Piled Higher & Deeper." Is that correct?

Posted by: gene9 | March 15, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Cant you even link the right story or are you too biased in favor of Clinton Wapo

Posted by: paulnolan97 | March 15, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

rat-the --

I'm starting to get convinced.

If Hillary's the Democratic Candidate, I fund her and vote for her.

If Obama's the Democratic Candidate, I'll vote for McCain.

Obama's supporters act like ignorant thugs.

I want no part of them.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Martin- I suspect that Chelsea's Mother does have some Irish.
But, for Single Women that were unfortunate enough to have been born without,

They CAN, always still get some in them! ;~)

And for those who cannot appreciate a little humor about St. Patty's,

Pugah Ma Hon! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

"So long, farewell Auf wiedersehen goodbye. Hillary, you lie and exaggerate about your experience and so know you lose and must return to the Senate. Goodbye. Goodbye. Gooooodbyyyye..."

Posted by: mykolas1 | March 15, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

For "god dam- America" Pastor Wright and Sen. Obama's relationship:

Pastor for 20 years,
Friend,
Mentor,
Spiritual leader,
Gave inspiration to write a book, 'Audacity of Hope',
Was married by him,
Baptized two daughters by him,
Thanked him after he won the Senate seat,
Consulted him before deciding to run for president,
Prayed privately with him before announcing his candidacy,
Member of his campaign team (resigned today),
And was like an uncle.

Posted by: va-us | March 15, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY HAD TWO GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT OR RATHER FAILURES: 1. SHE FAILED TO STOP MONICA 2. HER HEATLTH CARE PLAN COLAPSED BECAUSE HER AOOGAMCE.

Posted by: bluelagoon21 | March 15, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Caminito:

I'm glad you read the links and came to your own conclusion. That's all I'm trying to do.

Posted by: mnteng | March 15, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse


Hi WhitmanArtGroup,

In the interest of disclosure, I am an independent not a Democrat. I vote for a candidate not a party.

I don't vote on either race or gender lines. If Hillary was the best candidate I would vote for her. The presidency is about the future of America, its not about electing a woman or a minority.

Prior to Clinton's race baiting I would have voted for her. The way her campaign has been run is reason enough not to vote for her. To me, Clinton looks like GW, there appears to be nothing she wont do or say to get the presidency. And like GW, what has she said that is really true?

Equating Barack Obama to George Bush is ridiculous. Barack is highly educated, George Bush is not. Barack is a self made man from a poor background, GW has been given everything all his life. Barack has shown leadership on the war, GW has not. GW is radical and a fear monger, Barack is not. GW claims to talk to God! (You have got to be %$@! kidding!). Barack was president of the Harvard Law Review, GW didn't even get in to Yale!

The comparison is ridiculous, drop it.

Would you provide some details about the supposed arrogance you've seen in Barack Obama? I just don't see it. He has gone out of his way to avoid the race issue. He has gone out of his away to renounce supporters that attack his opponents on a personal level.

In fact, McCain, in my opinion, deserves some praise for renouncing the bigots and racists in his own party. But, to me, it appears that Clinton has a hard time separating herself from bigoted supporters (Geraldine Ferraro for example).

Are you seriously suggesting that Clinton is more likely to stop the Iraq War than Barack?! Or that Barack wouldn't stop the war? And why is the war a feminist issue? Does one need to be a woman to oppose war?

-- Patrick

Posted by: contactozzy | March 15, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Hillary has any "Irish" to get up.

I understand that even the Leprechauns and their ladies are preparing ladders so that all the wee folk can vote for Barack Obama for president!!!

Happy St. Patrick's Day to all posters of good faith and cheer.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 15, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

And the beat goes on. Someone get me a blanket, I'm still feezing in Chicago.

Posted by: jovitman | March 15, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

svreader,

your postings ooze with the intellectual dishonesty, bile and politics of personal destruction so typical of the Clintons and their disfunctional clique.

thank god the times they are a'changing.

so get some rest, and give it a rest.

you have discredited yourself so many times that people are going to think hillary might pick you for a running mate.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 15, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Hillary often claimed to have been fully tested by the republicans. The real testing will happen when Hillary will agree to release her records (tax returns, White House records, list of big donors to the Clinton foundation). Hillary is not cooperating to release these records because they will probably highlight numerous scandals. For the interest of the majority, it would be best to pressure the Clintons to release these records as soon as possible so that Barack can move on to the next stage of the election with McCain.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 15, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

svreader's breaking out of the BOX! :-)

LOL! There is MORE to life than hating one Racist Liar!

Now, svreader, consider this beautiful thought:

Military Competent McCain, embraces a Brilliant Independent Washington Out-Sider, who is BOTH a Legal and Business Genius, to Balance the Executive Ticket PERFECTLY!

A man who will be giving his salary to Charity!

A VERY Decent Man, with a Lovely Family!

McRomney is what this Country NEEDS in '08! :-)

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are the best tool for recruiting Republicans in the history of the Republican Party.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

A vote for Hillary today helps John McCain this fall ...

Think about it.

The Democrats need to move on now.

Even Eliot Spitzer showed personal accountability by taking responsibility and resigning ...

Bill Clinton didn't, and he and a bunch of GOP yahoos plunged the country into one of the ugliest periods in American politics.

Hillary can't win the nomination, and even if she did, there would be massive desertions from core Democratic constituencies that still believe in fairness and government accountability.

Net result?

McCain as president.

Is that what real Democrats want, the type that helped Roosevelt and Kennedy offer the country, first a message of hope, then new vistas of accomplishment?

Real Democrats believe in personal responsibility and government accountability.

The Clintons do not.

Time to move on ... before we get slam dunked with a past the Clintons foisted upon us.

Presidential politics is not some sleezy Jerry Springer pagent ... the Clinton White House was, and would be again, if people are dumb enough to let that happen.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 15, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

meldupree:

You're welcome. Anything I can do to raise the level of discourse here.

Posted by: mnteng | March 15, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Dear NICK HARDY

I am fortunately not retarded

But you should be careful with your qualifications, especially because you have not read carefully my post and therefore not realized that I was being
sarcastic with my obsrvation regarding scoundrels !!

You owe me an apology !!

CAMINITO

Posted by: caminito | March 15, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I and every other thoughtful, caring, person who posts here are wasting our time.

Obama-nuts are like the "Hitler Youth" or Mao's "Red Guards"

You are madly in love with their "leader", but they have no idea what kind of a guy he really is.

I feel sorry for their parents.

Obama's "groupies" are going to have to learn the hard way.

I'll leave them with one simple promise.

If Obama gets the nomination, McCain will win the election.

Obama nuts have angered so many Democrats, so deeply, that we'd rather elect a Republican than to see you be rewarded for your infantile behavior.

If McCain gets elected, I'll pay less taxes, as will most large Democratic donors.

Maybe its time for us to re-consider our party.

If people like Obama's supporters are the future of the Democratic Party it will become even worse than the Republican party is now.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Caminto,

The clintons are as pure as the driven snow, almost angelic. And so honest. I hope my daughter meets omeone so decent, heck she only meets scoundrals so far...
God bless that lucky girl Chelasea.
Who incidently is now older tha Monica was at the time....
Scoundrels... no way ....

Posted by: Nick.Hardy | March 15, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I and every other thoughtful, caring, person who posts here are wasting our time.

You Obama-nuts are like the "Hitler Youth" or Mao's "Red Guards"

You are madly in love with their "leader", but they have no idea what kind of a guy he really is.

I feel sorry for your parents.

You Obama's "groupies" are going to have to learn the hard way.

I'll leave you with one simple promise.

If Obama gets the nomination, McCain will win the election.

Obama nuts have angered so many Democrats, so deeply, that we'd rather elect a Republican than to see you be rewarded for your infantile behavior.

If McCain gets elected, I'll pay less taxes, as will most large Democratic donors.

Maybe its time for us to re-consider our party.

If people like you are the future of the Democratic Party it will become even worse than the Republican party is now.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

As I look hard for Hillary's claimed 35 years of foreign experience, I only saw Emperor's Clothes on her. Here is one response from Ireland.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml


Nobel winner: Hillary Clinton's 'silly' Irish peace claims

By Toby Harnden in Washington
Last Updated: 9:30am GMT 08/03/2008
Page 1 of 2

Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province.

"I don't know there was much she did apart from accompanying Bill [Clinton] going around," he said. Her recent statements about being deeply involved were merely "the sort of thing people put in their canvassing leaflets" during elections. "She visited when things were happening, saw what was going on, she can certainly say it was part of her experience. I don't want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player."

If one must lie to get by, she doesn't believe in herself. How can she lead? She is not qualified for the Oval Office.

Posted by: dummy4peace | March 15, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Caminto
"never had scoundrels afriends.." Are you retarded or something? What sort of person would you say a woman who knowlingly has an ongoing affair with amrried man is?
Obviously not a scoundrel. And the Intern?
Speaking of scoundrels...pan towards the camera please. raise youidignant little fingera dn declare before the world ...
"I did not have .......with that woman"

No nothing scoundrel like there at all..

Posted by: Nick.Hardy | March 15, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

i thought this was supposed to be about the SEVEN additional delegates barack obama picked up in IOWA today...????

THANK YOU IOWANS!!!

OBAMA '08!

Posted by: caligirl1 | March 15, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

The folks who claim that Hillary's experience as first lady cannot count are the same people who claim that Hillary had been harboring greater political ambition from the time she was in the womb.

To not have absorbed anything being that close to the action for eight years one has to be a total moron, a person devoid of any ambition, or a combination of both. Why the two Mrs. Bush's fall in the above category is left to the reader as an exercise.

You can say a lot of things about Hillary, but it is abundantly clear from her biography that Hillary is neither a moron nor lacked political ambition. She had been actively involved in politics right from the time Bill ran first for Governor. She wasn't baking cookies back at home.

So, the people who gratuitously compare this situation to a cheer leader wanting to play quarterback don't know what the heck they are talking about. They are only flaunting their ignorance. It is more like a junior partner in a law firm or an accounting firm. Every experience counts if not directly then by osmosis.

And the fact that she was not directly involved in some decision making does not negate the experience either. Only a fool would want to learn everything by making his or her own mistakes. Hillary is no fool. It is much better to learn from others' mistakes.

Posted by: kblgca | March 15, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Great news. Obama has broad appeal and I hope he wins.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | March 15, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Nick.Hardy --

At this point, I'd be almost as happy to vote for McCain.

You and the other Obama supporters need a swift kick in the butt, and the Republicans are just the people to give it to you.

I used to feel sorry for you guys.

Now I feel you get exactly what you deserve.

And, no, I'm not talking about people of any particular race, color, or creed.

I'm talking about the infantile jerks that shill for Obama without ever bothering to find out who he really is or what he did back in Chicago.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

to mnteng

The SUN TIMES writes:

"But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 (whole $1000 !?)to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building'

It is obvious that the author is not an Obama friend. But what he writes, i.e. that Reszko was able to come up with $ 1000(!!) for the campaign of THE NEWLY ELECTED state senator seems to document that OBAMA could not be accountable for Reszko's misdeeds!!

And that he knew this guy from school times on he told repeatedly to anyone.

SO WHAT !! I, as anybody, had also some friend with become a bad guy, but is this my problem as long as I didn't help him
to do his misdeeds ?? And, on the political lebel, I, who was in college a leader of the anti-communist students, had nevertheless a friend who was a communist ??
And what is so bad in respecting religionwise a priest with outrageous social opinions ??

And of course: Bill and Hillary had never friends which were scoundrels, which, as said, would have been no problem as long they were not involved in business with them !!

CAMINITO

Posted by: caminito | March 15, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Its beacause of people like svreader that Obama has every chance of becoming President. Please svreader you keep showing us what it means to be a support of HRC. Are you really a Democrat?

Posted by: Nick.Hardy | March 15, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are infantile.

The cover their eyes and ears to keep out information they don't want to hear.

I and other readers have posed links to news reports from Chicago TV and newspapers about Obama's slums.

No matter how much evidence Obana's supporters see, they just cover their eyes and ears and sing "LA LA LA"

The truth is in the public record.

The evidence has been posted over and over.

Obama supporters are just afraid to face it.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Dear svreader,
I am new to reading blogs but I quickly learned to look at the name of the blogger and when I see your name, just don't even bother to read them anymore. It'a obvious that you hate Obama. Do us all a favor and don't vote for him. Save us all from your irational thinking. Join me other bloggers, ignore svreader and go to the next blog. Don't make any comments regarding his blogs. Why inflate this person's ego by even paying any attention to him.
Ann D

Posted by: adellair | March 15, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

mian --

Please watch the Video.

Barry Obama isn't the kind of guy you think he is.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Would we be listening to a male candidate in the sam manner if his wife had been sleeping around and he kept saying, you know it is about our families and kids..

I doubt anyone will respond as svreader has seemingly become a candidate...

Posted by: Nick.Hardy | March 15, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama is every bit as qualified, if not more qualified to be president than Hillary. Look, Obama served eight years in the Illinois Senate. Lincoln served eight years in the Illinois Senate. Obama served three years in the U.S. Senate and Lincoln served one year in the U.S. House of Representatives. Lincoln, along side Franklin D. Roosevelt, is considered one of the greatest, if not the greatest U.S. president. That is because of his judgements, judgements about preserving the union, fighting the Civil War. As Obama says, he(Obama)has shown good judgement on one of the most fundamental issues of our time, to go or not to go to war in Iraq. Hillary showed extremely poor judgement and approved George Bush's very, very bad decision to go to war. And she has backed the Bush administration on almost every vote that dealt with the war. She has also shown poor judgement on other key issues, like how she handled health care. Being a former president's wife who has made a lot of bad judgements does not add up to being the most qualified to be president. Oh yes, on that 3 a.m. telephone call. Hillary did answer, but the call was really for Bill. "Bill, it's THAT woman," she said. She is still with Bill. Talk about bad decisions?

Leon,
In OHIO

Posted by: l.stennis | March 15, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I think both Clinton and Hillary are fantiastic candidates. Obama is just better of the tow. He is one in a life time candidate.

Posted by: mian | March 15, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

svreader, Hillary threw a lot of women under the bus with Bill's "bimbo eruptions." What kind of woman would kick another woman when her husband tries to sexually harass her? A power-hunger woman like HRC.

Posted by: meldupree | March 15, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

mnteng,

thank you (and no thanks to svreader) for the links. I can read them and make my own decisions.

Posted by: meldupree | March 15, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

So there you have the scoop the good readers of The Post have a heads up on what will be coming out in the NYT..
Good work svreader...

Posted by: Nick.Hardy | March 15, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

svreader: Fair enough. I'm open minded and persuaded by facts and if your allegations about Senator Obama will be reported on in the NY Times and washington Post, I will take a careful and dispassionate look at the facts as I do with all candidates.

Posted by: jovitman | March 15, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

ME: Hey Bam! Those are ugly shoes man!
BAMA: YOU RACIST S O B!

Posted by: harried | March 15, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

jovitman --

Never ask for something, you might get it.

Expect to see lots of reports about Obama now that his "Teflon" is gone.

Once the NYT publishes their exposee about Obama, I expect we'll see something in the Washington Post as well.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

sv reader: Help me, somebody help me as I'm feezing. Someone get me a blanket, I'm freezing. I live in a Barack Obama project in Chicago!

Simple question svreader: Why haven't I heard from any newspapers like the Washington Post or the NY Times the allegations you keep making ad nauseum about Senator Obama being a Chicago slum lord politician? If this is so, why is he then still so popular in the poorest neighborhoods in Chicago? Do you know something they don't know or that you simply appointed yourself as the all knowing philosopher king who has to tend to the wanton ignorance of the poor and victimized?

Please spare me the stale and predictable conspiracy of the MSM response as to why your allegations haven't been widely reported and give me an intelligent response.

Posted by: jovitman | March 15, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

mnteng --

I didn't copy the link from you.

Obama supporters have more arrogance, and less to be arrogant about, than group I've ever run into in my life.

Obama supporters arrogantly claim that only they can bring "change"

Their claim is so childish it's infantile.

Every candidate running for President will bring "change"

The question is, what kind of "change" would each candiate bring?

What kind of "change" do they care about?

Barak Obama has shown himself to be completely without any concern for the poorest of the poor who voted for him and elected him in Chicago.

Obama let the very same people who elected him and trusted him rot in unheated slums.

Is that the kind of man we want as President of the United States of America?

There is only one possible answer.

The answer is NO.

Say NO to Obama's empty hype and cruel treatment of the poorest of the poor.

Say NO to Barry Obama.

Lots of people in Chicago wish they had.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

svreader, what is so infantile about asking you to back up your claims and arguments? You try to obfuscate the argument? Where are your primary sources, doc? You have neither primary sources nor a Ph.D.

Posted by: meldupree | March 15, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Did svreader get his qualifications from the Chicago newspapers, seems to be all he can quote...
Heres and idea, maybe he can quote the artciles from the Washington Post which show ho HRC is coming underfire for her stories, err...make that 'claims'.

Posted by: Nick.Hardy | March 15, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Hilary has been campaigning for president too long --since November 2000 at least. She gave enough adresses to contradict herself on just about every subject. It's difficult to see her governing when all we have seen is campaigning as far as my memory goes. It does not mean she would not be a good president. But this is getting very old.

Posted by: RegisUrgel | March 15, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

svreader- Consider THIS:

At this time, I would LOVE to have Barack try to win against McCain! ;~)

LMFAO! :-o

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

rat-the, logan6 --

I hate Obama because I hate self-righteous hypocrites that prey on the weak, young, and foolish.

With you guys, Obama's clearly hit the trifecta.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

TO LEICHTMAN

I plea guilty regading your CAPITAL LETTER observation

But you shall tell me where in my post there was even a hint of a menace ?? Or
do you call such my unwillingness to continue to discuss with somebody unwilling to acknowledge facts ??

This is my last post to you, unless you explain yourself with facts (you are free to say this is a menace !!)

caminito

Posted by: caminito | March 15, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

And I think it was Hilary Clinton who removed removed Excalibur from the stone.

Posted by: Nick.Hardy | March 15, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

meldupree and contactozzy:

Looks like svreader finally got around to reading the links I posted on a different thread a couple of days ago. I'll take the blame for the Sun-Times post. Here's the link to what he copied:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/rezko/353829,CST-NWS-rez23.stng

Here's the index of stories.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/rezko/index.html

Of course, Rezko's on trial for something unrelated to his developments on the South Side of Chicago.

And yes, I'm a Ph.D. too.

Posted by: mnteng | March 15, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Logan6, well, let's be fair here. Hillary Clinton has brand-name recognition, a husband stumping for her as a former president and titular head of the DNC, the blessings of the party's heads, and she had a $137M war-chest to boot. In addition, HRC has a formidable political machine that grinds her opponents to nothing.

Here come this upstart junior senator who has none of the advantages except the gift of oratory (or gab, to his detractors), a vision and the ability to organize diverse people groups. Senator Obama's campaign outhustles and outmuscles HRC and leads in numerical metrics that stuns political junkies and experts alike. No one is more stunned than Clinton, who tries time and again to minimalize Obama to no avail. Her sense of entitlement means she engages a scorched earth plan ("if I can't have the nomination, you can't either) and tries to throw Obama under the bus for McCain (a stupid move not lost on too many Dems). By his campaign skills alone, Obama has shown himself a worthier standard-bearer for the DNC.

Posted by: meldupree | March 15, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

logan6 --

FDR's litle dog "fala" would be a better candidate than Chicago Barry Obama, and that dog's been dead a long, long, time.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

svreader-I must say, I am becoming concerned for you.

What will you do if Obasama leaves the Race, and the Senate? Your ENTIRE purpose in life will be gone.

TRY, to give it a break, spread out your obsessions, or possibly seek help.

I, Bite anyone, and Everyone-That gets in my line of fire. I do it to point out Problems/solutions/and in some cases just to vent.

I question your motives/ reasons for your obsession about Barack Hussein.

Did he uninate in your Cherios, or something?

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

How long will the Democratic Party have to risk choking to death on the Clintons' sour grapes?

Their argument, that they should be allowed to steal it fair and square, would cause a massive defection from the Democrats by several constitutencies, including anyone concerned with honesty and transparency in government (definitely not a Clinton core support group).

Time to move on ...

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 15, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

svreader, I understand your frustrations... In general, it's very hard to find facts to supports claims; it's an intellectual challenge. But when you need to find facts to support claims that Hillary is a better candidate than Obama for the presidency, then it's an impossible task. Even for those with Ph.D. (or in my case someone working on it).

Posted by: Logan6 | March 15, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

meldupree --

You are just as inept as Obama is when he tries to cover up the truth, or explain away his disgusting actions.

You have no credibility on these boards, and neither do any of your fellow cult members.

You just make fools of yourselves.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I am glad that the media is focusing it's attention on the candidates claims/policies. This gives HRC an opportunity to discuss her accomplishments. I like this type of politics better than the personal attack stuff.

Posted by: 12345leavemealone | March 15, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

DISPATCHES FROM THE GROUND WAR ...

LINDY MCDOWELL REPORTS IN THE BELFAST TELEGRAPH:

What's really the Troubles with Hillary's peace claims

[Published: Wednesday 12, March 2008 - 15:57]

The comedian Spike Milligan once published an autobiographical work about his Army service in World War II entitled Adolf Hitler: My Part in His Downfall.

Spike, it goes without saying, was playing for laughs.

Not so Hillary Clinton, who as part of her current campaign for the Democratic nomination in the US has staked her own claim to fame in the always contentious field of foreign conflict resolution.

The Northern Ireland Troubles: My Part in Sorting Out That Lot.

As Hillary herself put it during a recent interview on CNN: "I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland."

Beat that Barack Obama.

Hillary Clinton - Ireland's Dalai O'Lama.

The role Hillary played in our peace process was, it seems, low-key, so low-key, in fact, that David Trimble, who jointly won the Nobel Prize for, er, helping bring peace to Northern Ireland can't quite remember it.

Lord Trimble, as he now is, says that frankly she had no direct role in the process and that she is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating her input.

Scathingly he adds: "She visited when things were happening, saw what was going on, she can certainly say it was part of her experience. I don't want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player."

Ouch!

In fairness, it should be pointed out that Lord Trimble's fellow Nobel winner John Hume has countered: "She played a positive role for over a decade in helping to bring peace to Northern Ireland. She visited Northern Ireland, met with very many people and gave very decisive support to the peace process." The thing is - "visiting Northern Ireland", "meeting with very many people" and giving "very decisive support" - just about every touring celeb and his or her granny could claim that.

In fact, I can't recall a single visiting head of state, spouse of visiting head of state, pop singer, actress, potential investor or fading soap star who dropped in during that period, who did not show 'very decisive support' for peace. Let's face it, they were unlikely to argue against it.

Hillary, however, would seem to infer she went a bit beyond mere cheerleading.

In her autobiography she describes a meeting at a cafe on the Lower Ormeau hosted by the late Joyce McCartan and attended by representatives from women's groups from both sides of the community.

Nothing new there, of course. Contacts between such groups have long been the norm here. Although an outsider mightn't guess that, the way Hillary tells it €

"I remember a meeting that I pulled together in Belfast, in the town hall there, bringing together for the first time Catholics and Protestants from both traditions, having them sitting a room where they had never been before with each other ... "

I know. Don't laugh.

I remember the visit to the cafe (town hall!) well. It was what's known in the business as a photo opportunity. Something to keep the presidential spouse occupied while the actual office bearer was getting down to business.

It was a short, staged event 'pulled together' by local organisers. Amid all the security men and Press photographers it was hardly conducive to real business.

Instead, a bit like David Beckham's recent trip to Africa to play footie with small children thus raising the awareness of UNICEF's role there, the point of the cafe visit was to underline the good work already being done here. Cheerleading just about sums it up.

Ironically, drawing attention to past Clinton visits, only raises the spectre of an episode Hillary might prefer to forget.

When Bill arrived here in 1998 it was claimed in some quarters that the trip had rather conveniently helped him escape media attention back in the US where L'Affaire Lewinsky was then at its height.

If she's what really drove him here, shouldn't Monica also be eligible for peace-processing honours?

It's no less tenuous than Mrs Clinton's claim for credit.

Your piece in our peace?

As the intern might have said, you were close Hillary ...

But no cigar.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 15, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

"Her role in Northern Ireland seems to have been as engaged participant in the peace talks but not one of the chief negotiator."

Really? Is that what she is saying? Do you know very much about the peace process?
The Good Friday accords at Stormont were hammered out over a period of time and were quite painstaking. When exactly did Hillary Clinton participate in those talks and by what authority?
Is accompanying her husband to meet with local dignitaries and having her picture taken being an "engaged participant" ?
Given, appearances by Tony Blair and Bill Clinton and their wives created background noise that change was on the way.
But that isn't what you are saying here or apparently what Clinton is saying either, because the campaign is apparently your source.
Check the coverage in your own paper in 1998, and even in January 2008 to see who the active participants were.
It's St Patrick's Day, not April Fools Day.

Posted by: walshgen48 | March 15, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters like meldupree are infantile.

medupree and other members of the "cult of Obama" cover their eyes and ears to keep out information they don't want to hear.

I and other readers have posed links to news reports from Chicago TV and newspapers about Obama's slums, including reports from Chicago's Channel 5 news, and articles from the Chicago Sun-Times, but cult members like meldupree continue to claim that "there's no evidence" or "no citation of where the evidence is from", even though the people posting the information have provided all of that.

No matter how much evidence Obana's supporters like meldupree see, they just cover their eyes and ears and sing "LA LA LA"

The truth is in the public record.

The evidence has been posted over and over.

The truth will be the end of the "cult of Obama"

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I do not think anyone should be surprised that Hillary exaggerated her claims to anything she thinks would help her campaign. This kind of dishonest behavor is a trait that has hounded the Clintons from day one in Washington and elsewhere in their political life, and seems likely to continue if Hillary gets her conronation.

Enrique

Posted by: archie136 | March 15, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

WhitmanArtGroup, did Jesus worked on the street of Illinois as an activist, trying to find jobs to laid off stell workers? Well maybe. Then maybe Obama is Jesus! But Obama certainly does'nt think so. If you believe that he is arrogant, then maybe the problem is that you are too quick at juging people with preconceived idea... that a black has no place running as president? I am not sure what is you bias. But Obama is not arrogant. Hillary is... Her campaign was organised in fonction that she was supposed to be the nominee. After Iowa she was supposed to be crowned... and there after super-tuesday... If this is not arrogance I do not know what is.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 15, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

svreader, please offer citations and primary sources, not the rehash you have been peddling like a drug dealer. Dates, pages, sources of the primary kind, please.

Posted by: meldupree | March 15, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

SVREADER,

Son you need to go out and get some fresh air. And while you are at it, make some real friends. You can't have a relationship with your keyboard and think that its a real person. Its not!!

Posted by: fwasti | March 15, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me svreader, that your lack of citation skills are equivalent to Hillary Clinton's foreign policy record. Makes good reading, but there is nothing there.

Posted by: meldupree | March 15, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

In a few weeks, Obama won't be leading anywhere.

Anyone who supports Obama has no clue who he really is.

Watch the Video.

Obama is a real jerk.

Obama let the people who elected him in Chicago rot in slums when he was supposed to get them decent housing and he funneled $100M to his friend Rezko.

It was Obama's responsibility to make sure his voters got what they paid for.

He didn't do his job.

He didn't care what happened to them.

He only cared about himself.

Does winning the primaries mean so much to Obama's groupies that they abandon all principle?

How can they even THINK of supporting a man who did what Obama did in Chicago to the poorest of the poor who elected him???

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Channel 5, Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the real Obama is a really bad guy

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

From the Chicago Sun Times:

For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago's South Side.

It was just four years after the landlords -- Antoin "Tony'' Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru -- had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.

Rezko and Mahru couldn't find money to get the heat back on.

But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building....

The building in Englewood was one of 30 Rezmar rehabbed in a series of troubled deals largely financed by taxpayers. Every project ran into financial difficulty. More than half went into foreclosure, a Chicago Sun-Times investigation has found.

"Their buildings were falling apart,'' said a former city official. "They just didn't pay attention to the condition of these buildings.''

Eleven of Rezko's buildings were in Obama's state Senate district....

Rezko and Mahru had no construction experience when they created Rezmar in 1989 to rehabilitate apartments for the poor under the Daley administration. Between 1989 and 1998, Rezmar made deals to rehab 30 buildings, a total of 1,025 apartments. The last 15 buildings involved Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland during Obama's time with the firm.

Rezko and Mahru also managed the buildings, which were supposed to provide homes for poor people for 30 years. Every one of the projects ran into trouble:

* Seventeen buildings -- many beset with code violations, including a lack of heat -- ended up in foreclosure.

* Six buildings are currently boarded up.

* Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.

* Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.

* At least a dozen times, the city of Chicago sued Rezmar for failure to heat buildings.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters like logan6 are infantile.

Logan6 and other members of the "cult of Obama" cover their eyes and ears to keep out information they don't want to hear.

I and other readers have posed links to news reports from Chicago TV and newspapers about Obama's slums,
but cult members like logan6 continue to claim that "there's no evidence"

No matter how much evidence Obana's supporters like logan6 see, they just cover their eyes and ears and sing "LA LA LA"

The truth is in the public record.

The evidence has been posted over and over.

The truth will be the end of the "cult of Obama"


Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

WhitmanArtGroup,

Liar, Liar pants on fire!!!

PhD in what?? Stupidity??

Posted by: fwasti | March 15, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

I have no doubt that Hillary Clinton had much, much more than the traditional role of First Lady while in the White House during her husband's time as President, both in terms of influence and in terms of conceptual policy input... but it still seems a stretch to me to equate this to actual elected Executive experience.

I will vote for either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama come November as I simply can't bear the idea of yet more Belligerent White Man foreign policy and absurdly skewed tax-breaks-for-the-richest as cure-all domestic policy.

But... my god, I hope the Democrats don't just throw away this very real chance for America and the world to change course....

Posted by: seankirk | March 15, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

P.S. I am Ph.D. candidate. This should be obvious by the facts I put forward to support my claims.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 15, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

svreader still no facts to support a Clinton candidacy?

I understand you dislike Obama, but what is your candidate for?

Why should I vote for Clinton over a Republican candidate?

Come on, your apparently some kind of CEO / PHD type, you must be able to ariculate why your candidate should be elected to the presidency?

Posted by: contactozzy | March 15, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

What kind of experience does Obama have? Obama is sort of like a freshman in high school comparing a freshman University student... they are both not as seasoned - but really there is a BIG difference between the two.

Posted by: EastSideLove | March 15, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

If svreader has a Ph.D. then svreader should know that a claim must be supported by facts. If svreader can not put forward facts, then svreader has problably no Ph.D. or svreader is full of ....

Posted by: Logan6 | March 15, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are infantile.

The cover their eyes and ears to keep out information they don't want to hear.

I and other readers have posed links to news reports from Chicago TV and newspapers about Obama's slums.

No matter how much evidence Obana's supporters see, they just cover their eyes and ears and sing "LA LA LA"

The truth is in the public record.

The evidence has been posted over and over.

The truth will be the end of the "cult of Obama"

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I Hate Obama and if he is the nominee I will leave the Democratic Party after 32 years!

I am a true Democrat, a yellow dog Democrat. My extended family are Democrats. I have voted for every Democratic nominees since I turn 18 and voted for Jimmy Carter. Well I have had it with Democratic party if Obama is chosen as the nominee. Yes, I will vote for John McCain.

I grew up in countryside in Kentucky near Nashville; I always felt that I was dumb and uneducated, (although I just received my PhD at 51.) Well America is real dumb.

They went crazy for the unknown fool George Bush; that had bankrupt everything he was ever involved in. He was placed on a Throne- and with all the lies, injustices, incompetence in the Bush Reign- America is once again ready to give the keys to a 'stranger'- that has reframed Democrats and Republicans working together. (Hell that was Hillary Clinton's idea 2 years ago.)

Anyway I hate Obama, for many reasons and the main one is his arrogance. He is the new Jesus and America's blind are following once again into the land of the unknown.

I am disappointed that woman are not seeing the historic nature of electing Hillary Clinton as Madam President. It would raise the status of women worldwide. It would bring a fresh non-testosterone perhaps we could finally end war? It would be change.

Posted by: WhitmanArtGroup | March 15, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

is svreader a thinly duguised seperatist?

Posted by: Nick.Hardy | March 15, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I noticed that the Clintons' supporters rarely put forward factual details to support their claims against Obama.

I also noticed that the Clintons are not putting forward their White House records to support their claims about Hillary's experience, and their tax returns and list of big donors to their foundation to contradict claims that they are not mixed up in businesses with lobbyists and dirty money. How should we interpret the following facts...

The Clinton foundation received recently a $31.3 million donation after Bill expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader's, undercuting both American
foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights:

Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

In january 2008, the Clintons received $20 million from business deals with Dubai in the Middle East:

Source:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/22/bill-clinton-severs-ties-_n_82616.html

The Clintons need to release their records if they want us to stop thinking that they are mixed up in dirty businesses and that Hillary does not have the experienced that she is claiming to have.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 15, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

In svreader's world, facts are fiction and fiction is face (reminds me of "Alice in Wonderland").

Posted by: meldupree | March 15, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters arrogantly claim that only they can bring "change"

Their claim is so childish it's infantile.

Ever candidate running for President will bring "change"

The question is, what kind of "change" would each candiate bring?

What kind of "change" do they care about?

Barak Obama has shown himself to be completely without any concern for the poorest of the poor who voted for him and elected him in Chicago.

Obama let the very same people who elected him and trusted him rot in unheated slums.

Is that the kind of man we want as President of the United States of America?

There is only one possible answer.

The answer is NO.

Say NO to Obama's empty hype and cruel treatment of the poorest of the poor.

Say NO to Barry Obama.

Lots of people in Chicago wish they had.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Hi Svreader, thanks for your response, although it appears off topic.

I don't see any facts that support her presidency. I see no facts in your response that demonstrate her integrity, experience, qualifications, judgement or what she believes in.

Come on support your candidate.

Posted by: contactozzy | March 15, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

jd5024...

I will vote for you and I believe all the Hillary supporters will vote for you as well since you match their criteria for experience and so forth!

Posted by: fwasti | March 15, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, and pigs have wings.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 15, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Folks, get ready, because I can hear it now!

"I was FOR Obama, before I was against Him"

LOL! By "Guess Who"? ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

svreader, when you cite a source, you are to give the title (which you did), date and page number. See the Chicago Manual of Style (15th Ed). But you have a Ph.D. (so you claim), so you should know how to cite references.

Btw, Obama will make a great President of the United States!

Posted by: meldupree | March 15, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

I am taking this opportunity to announce my candidacy for president.

I run on my foreign policy experience. I have visited many countries, and am instrumental in everything good that has happened in them.

Everything bad that happened was the Republicans fault.

For example, the economic boom is Spain coincided with my goodwill tour there, when I boosted the economy and strengthened American relations by spending freely at the nightclubs and bars.

I will continue to do this as your President.

Thank you.

Posted by: jd5024 | March 15, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Reading through these comments, I see a trend of a country in distress. There are two currents. One current that is afraid of change because they are afraid of loosing their current privileges (the clinton supporters). Although they profoundly know that the people they support are part of the problem, they keep being blind and hope that the problems will go away by themselves.
The second current (the current of change) is composed of distressed people who feel there is a need for change that may help resolve the issues without that much sacrifices. Both block are to blame for the current gridlock.
It is no surprise that the current of change is driven by young people willing to bet on the future. The current of change was visible in both parties, republicans with Ron Paul and Democrats with Obama. The republicans missed the chance to renewal by electing the old guard with Mc Cain. The democrats are one the verge of committing the same mistake.
One must assume that the americans can read human history and see for themselves.
The more you postpone the change, the painful is gets later.

Posted by: iheitsch2 | March 15, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

typing in all caps and making threatening remarks does not make your statements any more valid.

Trying to explain to you dnc guidelines about superdelegates and how they don't fit your nice little box on what they MUST DO to accomodate you doesn't worknor does your type in all caps.

And somehow asking you why your candidate has suddenly asked for 2 debates this week and has absolutely no answer to Pastor Wright in April 2007 doesn't fit permissable discussion. Grow up, get out of the sandbox and attempt intelligent debate without trying to censor those of us who dare disagree with you or your candidate.

Posted by: leichtman | March 15, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

""The forthcoming book "Obama's Slums" contains heart-breaking stories from the families and friends of people who "froze to death" in "Obama's Slums" as well as graphic pictures of the bodies of the victims.""

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I have heard that AP is reporting that Hillary just came out of the closet. Supposedly an African American woman in her 30s. Is that correct???

Posted by: fwasti | March 15, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama picks up 7 of Edwards' delegates from Iowa as half of Edwards' delegates switched. Hillary got ZERO new delegates.

DES MOINES, Iowa - Democrat Barack Obama expanded his fragile lead in delegates over rival Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday, picking up at least seven delegates as Iowa activists took the next step in picking delegates to the national convention.

Half the 14 delegates allocated to John Edwards on the basis of caucus night projections switched Saturday and Obama got most, if not all, of them.

Iowa Democratic Party officials said that with more than 86 percent of the delegates picked, Obama claimed 52 percent of the delegates elected at county conventions on Saturday, compared to 32 percent for Clinton. About 16 percent of the delegates picked at Saturday's conventions were sticking with Edwards, even though he's dropped from the race since Iowa held its caucuses in January.

Democratic Party projections said the results mean Obama increased by seven the number of delegates he collects from the state, getting a total of 23 compared to 14 for Clinton and seven for Edwards, with one to be decided.

Posted by: infuse | March 15, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama picks up 7 of Edwards' delegates from Iowa as half of Edwards' delegates switched. Hillary got ZERO new delegates.

DES MOINES, Iowa - Democrat Barack Obama expanded his fragile lead in delegates over rival Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday, picking up at least seven delegates as Iowa activists took the next step in picking delegates to the national convention.

Half the 14 delegates allocated to John Edwards on the basis of caucus night projections switched Saturday and Obama got most, if not all, of them.

Iowa Democratic Party officials said that with more than 86 percent of the delegates picked, Obama claimed 52 percent of the delegates elected at county conventions on Saturday, compared to 32 percent for Clinton. About 16 percent of the delegates picked at Saturday's conventions were sticking with Edwards, even though he's dropped from the race since Iowa held its caucuses in January.

Democratic Party projections said the results mean Obama increased by seven the number of delegates he collects from the state, getting a total of 23 compared to 14 for Clinton and seven for Edwards, with one to be decided.

Posted by: infuse | March 15, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama picks up 7 of Edwards' delegates from Iowa as half of Edwards' delegates switched. Hillary got ZERO new delegates.

DES MOINES, Iowa - Democrat Barack Obama expanded his fragile lead in delegates over rival Hillary Rodham Clinton on Saturday, picking up at least seven delegates as Iowa activists took the next step in picking delegates to the national convention.

Half the 14 delegates allocated to John Edwards on the basis of caucus night projections switched Saturday and Obama got most, if not all, of them.

Iowa Democratic Party officials said that with more than 86 percent of the delegates picked, Obama claimed 52 percent of the delegates elected at county conventions on Saturday, compared to 32 percent for Clinton. About 16 percent of the delegates picked at Saturday's conventions were sticking with Edwards, even though he's dropped from the race since Iowa held its caucuses in January.

Democratic Party projections said the results mean Obama increased by seven the number of delegates he collects from the state, getting a total of 23 compared to 14 for Clinton and seven for Edwards, with one to be decided.

Posted by: infuse | March 15, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

From the "Chicago Sun-Times"

For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago's South Side.

It was just four years after the landlords -- Antoin "Tony'' Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru -- had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.

Rezko and Mahru couldn't find money to get the heat back on.

But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building....

The building in Englewood was one of 30 Rezmar rehabbed in a series of troubled deals largely financed by taxpayers. Every project ran into financial difficulty. More than half went into foreclosure, a Chicago Sun-Times investigation has found.

"Their buildings were falling apart,'' said a former city official. "They just didn't pay attention to the condition of these buildings.''

Eleven of Rezko's buildings were in Obama's state Senate district....

Rezko and Mahru had no construction experience when they created Rezmar in 1989 to rehabilitate apartments for the poor under the Daley administration. Between 1989 and 1998, Rezmar made deals to rehab 30 buildings, a total of 1,025 apartments. The last 15 buildings involved Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland during Obama's time with the firm.

Rezko and Mahru also managed the buildings, which were supposed to provide homes for poor people for 30 years. Every one of the projects ran into trouble:

* Seventeen buildings -- many beset with code violations, including a lack of heat -- ended up in foreclosure.

* Six buildings are currently boarded up.

* Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.

* Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.

* At least a dozen times, the city of Chicago sued Rezmar for failure to heat buildings.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

I AGAIN SUGGEST TO IGNORE POLITELY POSTERS LIKE "SVREADER" AND SUGGEST ADD LEICHTMAN IFHE CONTINUE TO POST SUCH KIND OF POSTS !!

CAMINITO

Posted by: caminito | March 15, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

contactozzy, you are not going to get any facts or truth from svreader! With respect to the youtube video he keeps posting the link for, I have asked svreader for the primary sources so I can do my own fact-checking. Nothing except the usual name-calling and shrills from his keyboard. So trust me, don't hold your breath waiting for facts from svreader; you could rewrite "War and Peace" and "Democracy in America" long before that!

Posted by: meldupree | March 15, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Obama is Victor Friesz(Mr. Freeze).

Posted by: CaptClown | March 15, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY CLINTON'S DIRTY DONOR INFO - SHE IS TRYING TO HIDE FROM USA


News lead on Hillary Clinton's Donor who is black mailing DNC

His name is Chris Korge

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2008-01-24/news/hillary-clinton-s-money-man/

He has a bad past of deals :

Some of Korge's deals that raised questions at county hall include:


• In 1992, he was the lobbyist for Sirgany International, which was vying for a contract to run airport newsstands. Korge business associate Sergio Pino, a Cuban-American, was a minority partner in Sirgany's proposal. Though the joint venture was ranked second and third in two impartial evaluations, the county commission chose it for a 10-year contract. A 2002 Miami-Dade Office of the Inspector General (OIG) report concluded that minority involvement in the deal was "neither real, meaningful, nor legitimate."

• The next year, Dade Aviation Consultants, a consortium of engineering firms overseeing Miami International Airport's maligned and oft-delayed $6.2-billion expansion, paid Korge, Barreto, and a third lobbyist each $16,000 a month. A 2002 investigation by the OIG claimed the trio received $1.3 million over nine years whether they worked or not.


The OIG report terms the county relationship with Dade Aviation "unhealthy for the long term."
• Though a county study in 1994 showed airport passengers would spend millions more if gift shops offered better merchandise, two years later Korge persuaded airport officials to block opening a Disney retail store that would compete with Sirgany's gift shops.
But perhaps most controversial was the airport's $40-million food and beverage concessions contract, which county commissioners in 1998 awarded to Host Marriott Services Corp. and a minority joint venture known as World Wide Concessions, which were represented by Korge and Barreto, respectively.


Four years later a federal grand jury began to probe allegations the deal was rigged to circumvent minority participation rules. County and federal public corruption investigators discovered both Host Marriott and the minority firm had privately agreed to give Korge and Barreto 10 percent of their profits, according to grand jury information reported by the Miami Herald and New Times in 2004. In addition, World Wide Concessions received $33,225 per month to do virtually nothing.

The investigation came to an abrupt halt when then-Miami-Dade Police Director Carlos Alvarez clashed with Marcos Jimenez, then-U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida. Jimenez accused the police department's detectives of leaking information about the sensitive investigation, which Alvarez denied.

The police director then yanked his underlings from the case. Alvarez, who is now county mayor, said he believed Jimenez was afraid or unwilling to bring criminal charges against some of the most powerful political players in Miami-Dade.

No one was ever charged with a crime, and the case was closed in the summer of 2006, says Korge's former law partner and criminal defense attorney Steven Chaykin, who contends his friend (and client in this case) was a victim of politics and jealousy. "The more success you have, the more people can take shots at you to take you down a few notches," Chaykin says. "The airport investigation bothered him a great deal."

Subject(s): presidential elections, campaign fundraising, Hillary Clinton, Chris Korge
After all, in 2000 -- two years after the Host Marriott deal was inked -- Korge quit the lobbying business and became national finance chairman for Al Gore's campaign. Since then, he has worked hard to refashion his image into that of a successful businessman who's simply interested in the direction of the Democratic Party.


And it has generally worked. On March 12, 2006, New York Times Magazine reporter Matt Bai wrote, "If you harbor serious thoughts of running for the presidency, the first thing you do -- long before you commission any polls or make any ads, years before you charter planes to take you back and forth between Iowa and New Hampshire -- is to sit down with guys like Chris Korge. A real-estate developer in Coral Gables ... Korge is one of the Democratic Party's most proficient 'bundlers.'"

Yet Korge critics remain. One of them is his first cousin and a former Miami Beach mayor, Alex Daoud. "He's a phony," Daoud hisses. "The guy is an absolute fraud. I would love to see him face-to-face in the street or in the ring."
The 65-year-old ex-pol served as a Miami Beach commissioner and mayor from 1979 to 1991. Just days before his final term ended, the feds indicted him on 41 counts of bribery, obstruction of justice, and tax evasion.

Two years later, a jury found Daoud guilty on one count of bribery; he later pleaded guilty to four counts of obstruction of justice and tax evasion. He served 18 months in federal prison.
This past December, Daoud and a partner self-published a memoir, Sins of South Beach, which details how as a city commissioner he circumvented nepotism rules by maneuvering the Miami Beach City Attorney's Office into hiring Korge.


"When he was unemployed and needed a job, I helped him," Daoud writes. "When I went to trial, I never gave up his name and I did everything to protect him."
Shortly after Daoud's release from prison 11 years ago, he visited Korge at his law practice, Daoud says. "I was persona non grata," he grouses. "He didn't want to know me. He kept asking me if the feds were looking at him."
The two still don't get along. "We can have a charity boxing match," Daoud says.


"Maybe we can give the money to Hillary."
And she just might take it. Clinton has accepted -- then returned -- donations from California businessman and Pakistani immigrant Abdul Rehman Jinnah, who fled the country last March after prosecutors accused him of steering more than $50,000 in illegal donations to a political action committee associated with Clinton. Then there was the $825,000 she was forced to return that was raised by convicted felon Norman Hsu. Clinton's campaign office ignored four requests for comment about Korge.

Chaykin explains, "Chris has had a lot of success because he is an extremely persuasive fellow. In all the years I have known him, I have never seen him do anything that would adversely affect my opinion of him."

Posted by: lesliedesign2k | March 15, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

LICHTMAN

SO YOU CALL SUGGESTING TO SUPERDELEGATES NOT TO REVERSE THE POPULAR WILL AS
" B U L L Y I N G " ????? !!

SUPERDELEGATES WERE INVENTED FOR THE CASE THAT THERE WERE THREE
OR MORE CANDIDATES AND NONE OF THEM WERE ABLE TO REACH 51% OF THE P L E D G E D DELEGATES (EVEN BY ENDORSEMENT OF ANOTHER
OF THE CANDIDATES)

CAMINITO

Posted by: caminito | March 15, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Interesting interview from MSNBC correspondent in Iraq. She interviewed Iraqis in uniform and asked about the US election for president. Both Democrats received sentiments but ZERO of these Iraqi soldiers were for McCain. Their reason was that they've had enough of the Republicans' war.

Posted by: infuse | March 15, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

First of all President Clinton lost the democratic congress due to Hillary's push for Universal healthcare. She did it behind close doors and even the dems didn't support the whole idea because it was simply insane.
I remember President Clinton had to hide her when he ran for office the second time around because all his advisors told him that she became the biggest political liability for his campaign.
All the legislations are passed in the Congress before they go to the President. None of the branches could do whatever they want to do without working together. She has a history ( experience) of polarizing not uniting. Without the support of the congress hers will be a lame duck Presidency.
For all the Hillary supporters- there is a piece of land that I would like to sell you.

Posted by: fwasti | March 15, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

First of all President Clinton lost the democratic congress due to Hillary's push for Universal healthcare. She did it behind close doors and even the dems didn't support the whole idea because it was simply insane.
I remember President Clinton had to hide her when he ran for office the second time around because all his advisors told him that she became the biggest political liability for his campaign.
All the legislations are passed in the Congress before they go to the President. None of the branches could do whatever they want to do without working together. She has a history ( experience) of polarizing not uniting. Without the support of the congress hers will be a lame duck Presidency.
For all the Hillary supporters- there is a piece of land that I would like to sell you.

Posted by: fwasti | March 15, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

First of all President Clinton lost the democratic congress due to Hillary's push for Universal healthcare. She did it behind close doors and even the dems didn't support the whole idea because it was simply insane.
I remember President Clinton had to hide her when he ran for office the second time around because all his advisors told him that she became the biggest political liability for his campaign.
All the legislations are passed in the Congress before they go to the President. None of the branches could do whatever they want to do without working together. She has a history ( experience) of polarizing not uniting. Without the support of the congress hers will be a lame duck Presidency.
For all the Hillary supporters- there is a piece of land that I would like to sell you.

Posted by: fwasti | March 15, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

leichtman:

RCP also has BHO up 160 pledged delegates. The more troubling thing for the D's is that both BHO and HRC trail McC in PA, OH, and FL polls.

Posted by: mnteng | March 15, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

still no facts from 'svreader', you certainly have an opinion but where are the facts?

Come on there has to be something out there after 35 years! Perhaps something that demonstrates her integrity? Her qualifications? Her experience? Her judgement? Her convictions?

I've looked and found nothing that strongly supports her having any of these traits.

Posted by: contactozzy | March 15, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

svreader, you are on steroids or something today.

The fact of the matter is that Hillary Rodham Clinton has zero experience save for her husband's curriculum vitae. Many of her claims went well beyond the pale and I am glad to see media finally asking Hillary to back her claims up. In short, Hillary has neither a pot nor a window.

What are you going to do when Hillary fails to get the nomination, svreader? I can give a referral to a good therapist so you can get with the reality and work your mind around the concept. We can get you to the detox clinic to get you off the Clinton punch and stuff. But first you must leave the states of denial, confusion and delusion.

Posted by: meldupree | March 15, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

don't know why the system tripple posted.

Posted by: leichtman | March 15, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

SVREADER,

Please let me in on how I can make $ posting crap like you on the blogs. I could make some serious extra cash for gas.

Posted by: jlm062002 | March 15, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

B.O,'s new inspirational message according to Logan is vote for me its about the Math which may suddenly evaporate and Pastor Wright's unity message. Logan if your campaign is so sure that they already have 2,025 delgeates which you seem to totally ignore why were they suddenly begging the Clinton campaign for more debates this week? You can spin all you want but the last 2 weeks the problems have been building for the B.O. campaign and those 800 superdelegates which you deride but need have certainly paid attention to.

Posted by: leichtman | March 15, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

B.O,'s new inspirational message according to Logan is vote for me its about the Math which may suddenly evaporate and Pastor Wright's unity message. Logan if your campaign is so sure that they already have 2,025 delgeates which you seem to totally ignore why were they suddenly begging the Clinton campaign for more debates this week? You can spin all you want but the last 2 weeks the problems have been building for the B.O. campaign and those 800 superdelegates which you deride but need have certainly paid attention to.

Posted by: leichtman | March 15, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

B.O,'s new inspirational message according to Logan is vote for me its about the Math which may suddenly evaporate and Pastor Wright's unity message. Logan if your campaign is so sure that they already have 2,025 delgeates which you seem to totally ignore why were they suddenly begging the Clinton campaign for more debates this week? You can spin all you want but the last 2 weeks the problems have been building for the B.O. campaign and those 800 superdelegates which you deride but need have certainly paid attention to.

Posted by: leichtman | March 15, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

vreader wrote:
gandalf --

Americans will not elect a man who let the poorest of the poor, who elected him, freeze to death.

*****************
THIS JUST IN-----

Cook County Illinois authorities confirm that thank's to a crimestopper tip from internationally known Hillary Drone - SVREADER - a full investigative sweep of all properties in South Chicago - reveals -- NO FROZEN BODIES. Rumors of the infamous villian, the Penguin, roaming Gotham City prove unture.

Come on SVReader- give it a rest and give us a break. />>>>

No one will vote for him???

My God, man - 93% of the African-Americans in Illinois just voted for the guy in the Presidential Primary. And, 57% or all White voters in Illinois voted for him.

Apparently they do not believe that Obama is the Penguin.

The level of intellectual discourse on these boards is seriously diminished when you start all this nonsensical copy/paste of such silly stuff.

What happened to the old SVREADER who used to wax eloquent about global warming and computer modeling of climate change? What happened to the Ph.D. from Silicon Valley who used to post in this paper about geting Al Gore to help heal the environment?

How about giving us all a break and stop the breathless ranting.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | March 15, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

contactozzy (and others):

Here's a link to a column by Carol Marin (the reporter in svreader's YouTube clip) about Obama's sit-down with the Chicago press.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/marin/844638,carol031508.article
Lots of other links on the web page if you're interested. Judge for yourselves -- the truth will set you free.

Posted by: mnteng | March 15, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey SVREADER, don't forget to come around midnight! There will have a panel discussion on your case.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 15, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

For the pledged delegate count, go to http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/

Obama: 1,404
Hillary: 1,243

Difference: 161

But Obama's site indicate 1,411 pledged delegate (7 delegates not yet counted by CNN). This gives Obama an even bigger margin.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 15, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

what amuses me is that SVREADER takes th bait and responds evertime... he would be great in a board nmeeting down in the valley.....
SVREADER makes me laugh.....lots..
(he will probably respond to this lol ...:) )

Posted by: Nick.Hardy | March 15, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

131 actual delegate lead, logan, less what happens in Michigan,Fla, Pa where she leads by 16% points according to Real Clear Politics.

Posted by: leichtman | March 15, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Clown --

Nobody pays me to do this.

You and your fellow cult members are like the "Hitler Youth" or Mao's "Red Guards"

You are madly in love with your "leader", but have no idea what kind of a guy he really is.

I feel sorry for your parents.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I would be polite and not insult SVREADER.

For my part, I will simply ignore him and advise other as LABC and CaptClown to do the same.

CAMINITO

Posted by: caminito | March 15, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

caminto you once again proved my point. With Fla and her superdelegate advantage she is down 80 delegates w/o Pa or Michigan. And again you feel that you can bully the superdelegates some of whom I have personally spoken to, and do EXACTLY what YOU DEMAND.

And of course Sen B.O. already has 2,025 delegates, right b/c you KNOW you can bully the superdelegates who incidentally will probably not be thrilled to have learned that Sen B.O. ignored Pastor Wright's recommendations for 11 months, right?

Posted by: leichtman | March 15, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

As I indicated above, the Clintons received many millions from lobbyists... they have plenty of money to pay people like "svreader" for posting.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 15, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Rectification to what has been said above... OBAMA is currently ahead by "161" pledged delegates according to CNN.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 15, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

svreader how much are getting paid to post? Do you get paid by how many words you post or is it by the hour?

Posted by: CaptClown | March 15, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

LABC --

Not that you'd be able to understand, but some of us want to give something back and do what we can to make the world a better place.

Clearly, any time I spend trying to have an intelligent conversation with you is a total waste.

Have fun with your cult.


Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 07:30 PM
*********************************
svretard, the only thing good that you could for the world is become a big source of methane gas. Since you stink up a board like nobody's business. You have never tried an intelligent conversation on this board at anytime. You are bitter loser and you repeat the same tired sh*t day after day. I already have to deal with an older person with Alzeimer's - I get more out of her repeating stuff than I do out of reading posts by a unmitigated douche like you...

Posted by: LABC | March 15, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

LEICHTMANN says:

OBAMA is ahead in the primaries "marginally and without counting Pa, Florida, and 800 independent superdelegates who your side is convinced that can bully into agreeing with you"

Are you serious ??

OBAMA is ahead by ca. 151 pledged delegates

If FLORIDA would count proportionally to the flawed January polls, she would get 50% of 185 = 93, Obama 33% = 62, Difference 31.
SO OBAMA WOULD STILL BE AHEAD BY 120 !!!!!

And if you hope that the superdelegates will reverse the voters will, you are hoping that McCain will be the next president, as AT LEAST 50% OF OBAMA'S SUPPORTERS AND CERTAINLY NEARLY NO INDEPENEDENT WILL VOTE FOR A "PLOT BETWEEN
OLD WASHINGTON POLITICIANS' APPOINTED PRESIDENT!!

CAMINITO

Posted by: caminito | March 15, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Sure, that Hillary is a 'lying *****' is exactly what the Obama campaign wants the public at large to believe. So much for the unifying bit mr. Obama.... I mean, who actually still believes him? Apart from those who think he is the new messiah....

Posted by: mike-straight | March 15, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Hatch, a prominent senator who worked on SCHIP said recently that to his knowledge, Hillary had nothing to do with this program. That he was appaled that she was taking credit for participating to it.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 15, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

LABC --

Not that you'd be able to understand, but some of us want to give something back and do what we can to make the world a better place.

Clearly, any time I spend trying to have an intelligent conversation with you is a total waste.

Have fun with your cult.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

SVREADER:

Quit wasting your time here, and go help the poor people of Chicago that you claim to be representing.

Here are some things that you could do for them:

1. Organize a food drive.
2. Organize a clothes drive.
3. Organize a job fair.
4. Start a fund .

The sky is the limit. Brainstorm away....
*****************
Now, everybody remember that svretard claims to be a CEO in silicon valley with connections in Washington...I know! I spit juice out laughing so hard. But if he was really a CEO who cares so much about the people of the Chicago slums who Obama hurt so much, you would think he would be out there helping...
I know...svretard a CEO and this deluded...it never stops being funny!

Posted by: LABC | March 15, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

merican: actually it was Donna Shalala and David Gergen who have stated publicly that it was Hillary that was reponsible for getting bill behind SCHIP in '97. You are correct that Bill was not entirely behind it b/c he felt it would bust his finally balanced budget that took 5 years for him to accomplish and 6 months for W to bust, so your point reinforces her involvment in SCHIP.

please don't tell me that there is any B.O. who would support Pastor Wright's inflamatory statement saying gd america. And again Pastor Wright told B.O. in April 2007 to distance himself from his statements and for 11 months he refused to even take Pastor Wright's own prsecient advise. What does that say about B.O.'s judgment which is the raison d'etre of his campaign?

Posted by: leichtman | March 15, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

With these records, the Clintons should be put in jail, not in the White House.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 15, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Members of the Cult of Obama --

I've posted the facts over and over.

You're clearly too far gone for me or anyone else on these boards to help you.

You need a good de-programmer.

Good luck.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Here is a part of the Clintons' records:

The Clinton foundation received recently a $31.3 million donation after Bill expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader's, undercuting both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights:

Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

In january 2008, the Clintons received $20 million from business deals with Dubai in the Middle East:

Source:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/22/bill-clinton-severs-ties-_n_82616.html

These are facts. And there are many more of them in the records that Hillary does not want to release such as tax returns, White House records, list of big donors to their foundation used to buy superdelegates' votes.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 15, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Joe Wilson (Valerie Plame's diplomat husband) wrote about Senator Clinton's diplomatic experience for the Huffington blog in December 2007. You might be interested in his assessment if you have an open mind on the subject. He accompanied the Clinton's on their mission to Africa and he gives Senator Clinton full credit for organizing and initiating that mission. More importantly, Obama supporters might reconsider their attacks on Senator Clinton's foreign diplomatic experience because it doesn't have the effect that they desire. Whatever Senator Clinton's experience in this area, Senator Obama has less. By attacking her experience, it just underlines his total lack of foreign diplomatic experience. I continue to marvel at the vicious attacks by the supporters of the "unity candidate." Doesn't it occur to Obama supporters that this isn't consistent w/ their candidate's message? Doesn't it occur to you that it makes your candidate look rather hypocritical?

Posted by: YellaDog | March 15, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

If Oprah had not endorsed - and then campaigned for - Obama, we'd have forgotten this guy many months ago. He'll always owe his political life to Oprah Winfrey! Will you guys wake up? Obama's a kid! Four years as a senator and he's qualified to be president? You've GOT to be kidding! McCain has 27 years of military experience (while Obama was too good to join the military); yet Obama wants to be commander-in-chief? Scarry! Hillary has her baggage to be sure but she's forgotten more about politics and government than Obama will ever know.

Posted by: sgk1212 | March 15, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

With her records, it is understable that Hillary does want to release them, that she has to embelish the stories, and that the republicans want McCain to run against her. Hillary is their best hope to have a clean sweep with the White House and the congress.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 15, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

come on 'svreader', please, give us the facts, I'm waiting.

(this should be fun, how long will it take?)

Posted by: contactozzy | March 15, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Sv Thanks for proving my point.

I admit it, you're no idiot. An idiot is a stupid person with a mental age below three years, while a moron is a stupid person with a mental age of between seven to twelve years. I'll let people make their own decision on that.

Obama--and his much maligned church and pastor--have worked and sacrificed on the Chicago's south side for decades. Read There Are No Children Here if you want to understand the depth of the problems in that part of the city.

I am sure the pain you feel for Obama's slums is great, but try to work through it just a wee bit. Read contactozzy--you might learn something.

Posted by: kazou | March 15, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

svretard, Obama like Jim Jones? Man, you are unstable...

Posted by: LABC | March 15, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

So basically, Hillary Clinton's never accomplished anything except for taking credit for other people's successes, and her entire experience consists of vague and nonessential "show-horse" roles and a Bush-enabling record.

Posted by: scharb | March 15, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Beign a wife (or a husband) is not experience. Would you trust the wife of your surgeon to practice a surgery to you? Would you hire Michael's Jordan for your basketball team? Would you fly in a plane flight by the pilot's wife? If it's about experience, neither HRC nor Obama have anythingo to do agains McCain. It is about something else, about skills and capacities.

Posted by: DanyMillan | March 15, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

We could ask here old mentor Moynihan who is responsible for SCHIP, but he's dead. He had some harsh words for the Clinton administrations milk toast support for SCHIP back in 1997.

Posted by: Merican | March 15, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

SVREADER:

Quit wasting your time here, and go help the poor people of Chicago that you claim to be representing.

Here are some things that you could do for them:

1. Organize a food drive.
2. Organize a clothes drive.
3. Organize a job fair.
4. Start a fund .

The sky is the limit. Brainstorm away....

Posted by: vehansen | March 15, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

will someone please explain to me what crime has obama done to make me ot vote for him?? this guilt by association thing is tired.

Posted by: friskee1 | March 15, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

to svreader:

it would be nice if you subtstatiate your
tirade.
But anyway, as you only say that he is worse than Hillary, WHICH DOESN'T MAKE HER MADE ANY A BETTER PRESIDENT, I AM GLAD YOU AGREE WITH ME THAT THE ONLY SOLUTION IS TO VOTE FOR McCAIN. or do you favor NADAR ??

caminito

Posted by: caminito | March 15, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

bob said:

"Clinton isn't owed the nomination."
no she and her volunteers are working tirelessly to earn it. Actually it is the B.O. supporters who come here day after day and tell us that B.O. is owed the nomination and if we don't agree we are evil.

"Obama is ahead in states, in delegates, in money, and in new voters. He chose a 50 state strategy, an inclusive strategy and a grass roots strategy..and it was a successful strategy."

marginally and without counting Pa, Florida, and 800 independent superdelegates who your side is convinced that can bully into agreeing with you.

"She can't win." .. tell her to withdraw and get behind Obama."

that sounds pretty arrogant and bullying from a camapign still almost 500 delegates short of the nomination but we have gotten used to your side's stomping their feet and trying valiantly to bully their way to being annointed.

Posted by: leichtman | March 15, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

svreader for what could Obama be possibly be indicted? Facts, not your usual bluster. Facts or just be quiet.

Posted by: contactozzy | March 15, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

No Obama. Too much Drama. If Dems select him, lots of Trauma. McCain will send him back to Mamma!!!

The real Obama is a real Jerk.

Barry Obama let the poorest of the poor who voted for him and put him into office in Chicago freeze to death in some of the worst slums in the world, after funneling $100M to his chief campaign contributor Tony Rezok to repair or replace them.

The work was never done.

The slums were never even touched.

Barry was too busy figuring out how to fool people into voting for him for President to do his job like he was supposed to.

Poor people of every color suffered and died in "Obama's Slums"

That's the coldest thing I've ever seen.

Barry Obama belongs in Jail!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

By way of commentary, I would like to post the words of another commentator in another Internet venue:

"They (Hillary's team) said she showed leadership by giving a SPEECH in China about women's rights. Have they no shame, or at least a dictionary with the word 'irony' in it?"

Bruce | 03.01.08 12:02 AM

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/02/pregnant_pause.html

Posted by: rfpiktor | March 15, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton may not be a saint, but Barry Obama's a real Devil.

What Obama did to the poorest of the poor in his Chicago Slums who made the mistake of trusting him, and voted for him, is the coldest thing I've ever seen.

He doesn't deserve a single vote from anyone.

He should be in prison.

I hope he gets sent there.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

The claim of experience based on being the
wife of a president is outrageous. NEXT TIME A LADY WHO WAS A PRESIDENT'S SECRETARY WILL SEEK THE NOMINATION, CLAIMING, NOT INACCURATELY, THAT A SECRETARY HAS MORE INSIGHT IN HER BOSSES DEALINGS AS HIS WIFE !!

But what IS EVEN MORE OUTRAGEOUS !! THE MEDIA UPTO NOW HAS AVOIDED TO COMMENT THAT
HER CLAIM IS SPUREOUS.

And what IS OBVIOUS; IF THE ALLEGED AND SOLE DOMINANT REASON FOR SUPPORT IS HER ALLEGED EXPERIENCE, IF THIS WERE TRUE AND DECISIVE,
LETS CLOSE THE CAMPAIGN AND GO TO VOTE FOR McCAIN !!!

caminito

Posted by: caminito | March 15, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of Hillary's experiences, it is far better to elect a former first lady than Obama, an apprentice over seventeen years of a fanatic religious leader Rev Wright of the Trinity church in Chicago. Rev Wright wants to start a revolution to turn the whole country into anarchy and chaos. Obama is just not electable after all the truth about him comes out.

Posted by: johnycheng1 | March 15, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

NO MORE DRAMA: VOTE FOR OBAMA!


Posted by: vehansen | March 15, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

contact --

I don't work for Clinton or anyone else.

I work for myself and these posts cost me a fortune in lost time.

I do it for the poor frozen people who made the mistake of trusting Obama in Chicago.

Scroll-up. Watch the Video.

Barry Obama is bad news.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

President Bill Clinton used his power under the U.S. Constitution to grant pardons and clemency to 456 people, thus commuting the sentences of those already convicted of a crime, and obviating a trial for those not yet convicted. On January 20, 2001, he pardoned 140 people in the final hours of his presidency - including:

Susan H. McDougal, one of the few people who served prison time as a result of the Whitewater controversy in the United States, though fifteen individuals were convicted of federal charges. She is most notorious for refusing to answer "three questions" for a grand jury about whether President Bill Clinton lied in his testimony during her Whitewater trial,

Roger Clinton, Jr. Cocaine charges(half-brother of President Bill Clinton),

Dorothy Rivers - lead official in Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, plead guilty to theft of 1.2 million dollars in federal grant money, and

Antonio Camacho Negron - FALN militant.

Once again, if Hillary takes credit for Bill's accomplishments, she must also share in the blame for his crimes.

Posted by: jhzeyemd | March 15, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

thebobob --

The only thing Barry Obama is going to be eligible to win is "Inmate of the month"

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

I think 'svreader' is indicative of the Clinton campaign and the GW campaigns. All rhetoric, no facts. Trying to use repetition and fear over logic.

Prove to me Clinton is the better candidate, lets see some facts, not this Republican fear mongering game. Those who use fear and not facts, cannot be trusted. i.e. GW, Karl Rove, Cheney, 'svreader', etc.

Clinton supporters should be careful. When it comes to Clinton vs. McCain, I trust McCain to be more honest and use better judgement. Clinton continues to plays the race card, while McCain challenges the racists in his own party.

Three months ago I would have voted for Clinton over any of the Republican candidates, but her campaign speaks volumes about her character or, in my opinion, lack thereof.

-- Patrick.

Posted by: contactozzy | March 15, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Foreign policy is influencing people through knowledge, acquaintance and discussion. The First Lady is absolutely a representative of the US, whether or not she holds an official State Department office. Does it matter that Hillary Clinton made headlines while attending the Beijing Women's Conference? Yes, it did.

Does it matter that she took an active interest in foreign policy, traveling to more than 80 countries. Yes, it does. She was and advocate for U.S. policy and the cause of women and children.

By contrast, Mr. Obama's foreign policy experience consists of elementary school abroad and a trip to see his father's family home.

Posted by: djstates | March 15, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

No Obama.

To Much Drama.

If Dems Select Him, Lots of Trama.

McCain will send him Back To Mamma!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Ohio --

Dr. Barry Obama's patented "Poor People Popsicles" bother more than Clinton's taxes ever could.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Clinton isn't owed the nomination. She doesn't get to inherit the nomination. She WAS the presumptive nominee until the voters were asked. Clinton chose a big state strategy, a 50%+1 strategy, a Party "leaders" strategy...a failed strategy. Obama is ahead in states, in delegates, in money, and in new voters. He chose a 50 state strategy, an inclusive strategy and a grass roots strategy..and it was a successful strategy.

She can't win. Her divisive, slimy political attacks will undermine the Democratic Party nominee. The superdelegates need to forcefully tell her to withdraw and get behind Obama.

End the Drama!

Posted by: thebobbob | March 15, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

harried --

You need to take one of Barry's chill pills.

You're way to harried.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

kazou --

You're wrong. Obama is good looking, gives great speeches, lots of people think he's God, but he's totally evil.

Based on what they say about the anti-christ in the bible, Barry Obama fits the specification to a "T"

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-k-wilson/clinton-by-far-worst-abus_b_84102.html

Here's why Clinton doesn't want to turn in her tax returns. Look at the earmarks! I'm guessing there is money involved.

Posted by: ohio4580 | March 15, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama's supporters are very young.
But the olde bone aches!

Certain concepts are still very difficult for them to grasp.

Here are two of them.

1. You've lost. I'm confiscating your balloon!

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 06:30 PM
SVREADER, YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE SALIVA A BREAK!

Posted by: harried | March 15, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: websmith1 | March 15, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Here's something that will get everyone with a heart or a soul to run from Obama like the Bubonic Plague:

Please watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Channel 5, Chicago's most respected TV news.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the real Obama is a really bad guy
Obama's supporters are still in denial about Obama's slums.

There's no sane reason to elect a man who let the poorest of the poor, the people who elected him, freeze to death.

It's not going to happen.

Hillary will win the next primaries by a landslide, or Obama will drop out of the race before that.

People know about Chicago. People know about Obama's slums.

The real Obama's a really bad guy, and now people know it.

Its over.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Can we get some grown ups to come down here to the Wash Post? Newsflash: Neither of these candidates is the antichrist. Yes, we need BS detectors for all politicians. and preachers. and especially bloggers and posters who hijack discussions like these.

Obama showed his mettle in dealing with this tempest, and it too shall pass. Hillary? If she can get away from the idiots she hired to run her show, she could still win in November and gain some of the experience she has been blowing so much smoke about that might make her an effective leader.

But for now, it is safe to say that the next prez will be another old white guy. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

If you are looking for political advice on this thread...flip a coin or two instead. For my money, the more shouting I hear the more certain I am that svreader and others are scared, really scared that with a little help, Barack just might change things for the better.

Posted by: kazou | March 15, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Here's a little something from Dallas that will get everyone's Irish up regarding the Texas delegate count:

Clinton: Delay the Delegate Count (Because I'll Lose)

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/03/clinton-delay-the-delegate-cou.html

Posted by: YankeeClipper | March 15, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Barry Obama = MR FREEZE

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

SVREADER=Karl Rove


Posted by: vehansen | March 15, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

How can we voters be so short-sighted as to forget the dishonesty and deceit provided by ex-President Clinton. We must be crazy to invite that pair back to the White House. They stole the china and silverware too.
He left office broke and disgraced by his own misdeeds. As his final legacy he pardoned Marc Rich , members of the FALN, and others.
His and her records while in office are kept secret in his presidential library because their release will expose the truth about their sordid past.
Hillary will not release her tax returns nor the source of her campaign contributions (including thousands of dollars each from poor workers in Chinatown where names and addresses don't even exist).
Don't forget Whitewater and Hillary's direct participation as a member of the Rose Law Firm that represented Jim and Susan McDougal. She does have experience, but not the kind anyone with a good memory wants any part of.
Imagine how many favors she owes to big business and lobbyists in Wash D.C.
We've had twenty years of the Bush's and Clinton's - it's time for a change.

Posted by: jhzeyemd | March 15, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama's supporters are very young.

Certain concepts are still very difficult for them to grasp.

Here are two of them.

1. You've lost.

2. Obama will be lucky if he doesn't wind up in jail after what he did in Chicago, now that his Teflon is gone.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Shame on you media. Clinton made it very clear that she has been vetted. Questioning her experience, asking for her tax returns, asking to see her documentation of her time as first lady--why that just isn't fair. You're only supposed to investigate Obama.

Posted by: kaliw | March 15, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I think the point that Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright made in his speech in 2006 was a valid and true one - "racism is how this country was founded and how this country was run . . ." Posted by: jordy1 | March 15, 2008 06:20 PM_________________
__________________________

I THINK WE'D BEST STEP BACK, STAND UP, and LOOK AROUND---------

Posted by: harried | March 15, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

kevin --

Barry Obama is as far from being a decent person as he is from the next galaxy.

He's the coldest, most self-absorbed, crooked politician I've ever seen.

ven -

Nope. Drugs is Barry Obama and his desciples "hobby", not mine.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

or is SVREADER getting paid by the Clinton camp to post nonsense?

Posted by: vehansen | March 15, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

A comment not directly on point, but of great concern. If I am not mistaken, the same day of the Pennsylvania primary the North Carolina and Indiana primaries are being held. Combined, they have more delegates than Pennsylvania. So why is PA the "next primary"? The media is ignoring NC and IN. When will this poor reporting, arguably biased towards Senator Clinton, end. (Obama leads in NC).

Posted by: ecurbyrf | March 15, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons have played the racist card all their political lives, beginning with Bill arrogantly declaring himself "the first Black President". They pandered to the Blacks, they pandered to the Hispanics. Bill even moved his office to Harlem to pander to the Black vote. Now they finally reap what they sewed with their divisive tactics: disgusted voters and a destroyed party.

Posted by: dunnhaupt | March 15, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

SVREADER..............

.........is on drugs...............

Posted by: vehansen | March 15, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

WHAT HAPPENS TO YOU, IF YOU'RE DECENT??

well,

they killed the Kennedy brothers.

they killed Martin Luther King.

.....and now, they are trying to "kill" Obama.

WHY?

Because he's a decent person.

Posted by: kevinlarmee | March 15, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

jordy1 --

I have a life. Its great.

I'm mad as hell about the poorest of the poor in Chicago who lost their lives because of the arrogance, incompetence and totaly lack of concern for other people of Barry Obama.

The time I spend posting here costs me a fortune in lost work that I get paid a lot of money to do.

I post because the people who died because of Barry can no long post for themselves.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

You fight, for your Child!
A point well taken Hillary!

Posted by: harried | March 15, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

svreader - get a life!

I think the point that Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright made in his speech in 2006 was a valid and true one - "racism is how this country was founded and how this country was run . . ."

After all, slavery was legal in America from 1654 until 1865. Slavery is after all the most horrible form of racism.

Posted by: jordy1 | March 15, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Really, Senator Clinton? That's great and I am glad to hear that you have had such important foreign policy experience. Now if we could just verify? Oh, that's right. You're not releasing those records. I remember somethinga bout vetting???

Posted by: jlaprise | March 15, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Dog --

Only God can help Obama, and God's not very fond of racists, so Obama's out of luck.

You need to find a new cult to join.

Why don't you try EST, Lifespring, or the Landmark Forum?

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

starbuck1 You got it right. the evidence clearly documents the dishonest claims of 35 years of experience.
Hillary will lie cheat and steal to win.
If she gets the nomination, I'll vote for McCain.

Posted by: jhzeyemd | March 15, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Hillary needs to stop responding to the bait. Let the comments go and get with an agenda.

Posted by: JohnAdams1 | March 15, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

svreader said: Lets add up all the times he bought, sold, and used hard drugs...
-----

The more you say idiot over-the-top stuff like that (that Obama sold drugs), the more you make people realize that the stuff being said about Obama is pure B.S. So carry on, dude! You're helping Obama more than hurting.

Posted by: DogBitez | March 15, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

cbi --

Scroll-up.

America has pledged to never offer Barry Obama any position ever again.

Only his cell-mate will be able to offer that.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Actually there is an Edward Kennedy quote in 90s where he said that it is unlikely that SCHIPPS would have ever passed without the help and leadership of Hillary. I posted that EK quote here last week.

Posted by: leichtman | March 15, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Taken from the C&L Blog:

The following information gathered from the Library of Congress on the Legislative experience Junior Senator Hillary Clinton and Junior Senator Barack Obama. Please Feel free to check these records for yourself and draw your own conclusion.
Senator Clinton, who has served only one full term, which is 6 years and another year campaigning, has authored and passed 20 twenty pieces of legislation in her term of six years into law. These bills can be found at (wwwhomas.loc.gov). Senator Clinton has passed.
(1) Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.
(2) Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.
(3) Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.
(4) Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
(5) Name courthouse after James L. Watson.
(6) Name post office after Jonn A. O'Shea.
(7) Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
(8) Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
(9) Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
(10) Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
(11) Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
(12) Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.
(13) Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
(14) Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.
(15) Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.
Only five of Clinton's bills are, more substantive.
(16) Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
(17) Pay for city projects in response to 9/11
(18) Assist landmine victims in other countries.
(19) Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
(20) Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness preservation system.
She has a nice list, but note that these are The Fact's straight from the Senate Record; Therefore, it is not made up.
Now, It is time to post Senator Obama's record from the Library of Congress.I have to mention that Senator Obama's list is too substantive, one is coalesced to categorize. Since its alot, remember you can go to the Library of Congress website, and check it out yourself, but I am just summarizing his first 8 months.
During Senator Obama's first 8 eight months of elected service he sponsored over 820 bills.
He introduced 233 bills regarding healthcare reform,
125 bills on poverty and public assistance,
112 bills on crime fighting,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
15 gun control,
6 veterans affairs and many others.
In his first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These included:
(1)the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 that became LAW,
(2)The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act that became LAW, (3)The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act that passed the Senate,
(4)The 2007 Government Ethics Bill that became LAW,
(5)The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill that is in committee just to name a few.
In all since he entered the U.S. Senate, Senator Obama has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096. An impressive record, for someone who supposedly has no legislative record. Read the facts and not emotion.
The Pennsylvania Working Man (Sent Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:24 PM)

Posted by: patricesanders | March 15, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

"Like all Obama supporters"? That generalization isn't too sweeping, is it?

Hillary has substantial experience at tax fraud, real estate scams, phony suicides, document destruction, secret meetings, no-bid government contracting and throwing friends and supporters under the bus when they cause problems. Hmmmm, I'm surprised Cheney hasn't found a spot for her on his staff.

Now she's demonstrating her sore-loser streak and her blood lust for ill gotten electoral power. Let's finish her off before she gets out of the coffin again.

Posted by: matthew__delaney | March 15, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey svreader,

If Obama is so evil, then why did your gal Hillary offer him a VP spot. Sounds like another case of bad judgement on her part. Or are you really secretly in love with Obama, but lashing out because he does not return your affections?

You should really think about getting a life, you're sounding pretty sad.

Posted by: cbl-pdx | March 15, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

"I trusted him (Rezko)," so Mr. Obama says according to yesterday's Chicago Tribune interview. Well, so much for his superior judgment skill, which, beside his ability to stitch big words together, has been the only selling point of Mr. Obama's candidacy. Apparently, in spite of his newly proven ability for poor judgment, Mr. Obama still wants people to trust him. Indeed, if Mr. Obama has his way he would have us be to him as he was to Tony Rezko; that is, naive, clueless, and blind. Needless to say, so far Obama admirers are living up to his expectation. They are well advised to stop projecting their hope and yearning on a man they hardly know, especially a man coming out of Chicago ward politics that runs on graft and kickbacks as its fuel.

Mr. Obama is a pushy, cocky, imperious character who will use these attributes to the detriment of the country (and himself in the end) if he were to become the President of the United States. Much of Mr. Obama's vaunted legislative record (all accomplished in a single year) in the Illinois legislature came about as the result of the Democratic Illinois Senate Majority Leader Emil Jones Jr. assigning most of the high profile legislation, which other legislators had been working on, under Mr. Obama's name. And Mr. Obama was brazen and duplicitous enough to take the full credit without sharing any of it with the originators of the legislation.

This is real Barack Obama, the harbinger of new politics and future hope of America, the man of integrity. Democrats, nay, all Americans, should be warned that it is not Florida and Michigan voter disenfranchisement (which Mr. Obama, true to his form, is working hard to ensure behind the scene, as if he is back in his good old days in the Illinois legislature) that will be the train wreck that they fear, but the Obama presidency that will be.

Posted by: GeorgePS | March 15, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I am experienced, just try me in office, I can do it, sounds familar... Go here to see...


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A03E4D71030F93BA15755C0A9669C8B63

Posted by: cav03 | March 15, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

gene9 --

Like all Obama supporters, you have no idea who you really are.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

slim2 --

We'd be glad to tell you, but Obama supporters clearly can't read, so it would just be a waste of everyone's time.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

the country is in a recession, and obama's resume now looks emptier than ever.

Posted by: sd71 | March 15, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry. As SVReader I have been posting anti Obama stuff, but I am secretly an Obama fan. Please don't elect Shrillary, please.

Posted by: gene9 | March 15, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

harried --

Don't forget to make the check out to the "Obama/Rezko legal defense fund"

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Other than public humiliation at the hands of a philandering husband and a failed and laughable health care "plan", her experience for head of state is?

Posted by: slim2 | March 15, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

YO-----------------!!!

Ya'll give em Hell Hillary!!!!
It's ABOUT TIME!!!

Posted by: harried | March 15, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Get ready for a bump in Obama's fundraising. I'm going to donate a dollar for everyone of svreader's rants. Anyone care to do the same?

Posted by: stburke40 | March 15, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters just don't get it.

Its over.

The fat lady has sung.

She's singing Eric Clapton's "COCAINE"

It's Barry Obama's theme song.

Just wait till Rezo sings.

He's song will be "Bye, Bye, Barry"

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

alee21 said: Don't demean the role of First Ladies as a goodwill ambassador for the US.
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"Goodwill ambassador" is still NOT a policy maker, not someone with high security clearance, not someone sitting at the table when negotiations are happening. Angelina Jolie is a goodwill ambassador... I'm not quite ready to vote her into office, are you? Laura Bush has functioned as First Lady for as many years as Hillary did... and I'm not voting Laura into office, either. However you want to spin it... First Lady is nothing more than a (hopefully) charming spokesperson lending a bit of softness and civility to a harsh political landscape. They have their benefits, but they aren't THE key factor in any policy negotiations. Sure, they voice outrage at abuse, make it known they favor women's/children's right... but every Hollywood celebrity does the same thing when they travel to these countries. Oh, hell... let's just bring Bono in for President, huh?

Posted by: DogBitez | March 15, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama can have it both ways when he starts his new job at "burger king" while he's waiting to be shipped to the Supermax.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Two comments.

(1) It is perfectly legitimate to question the relevance of Hillary Clinton's 20 years "experience" as a first lady of the U.S. and Arkansas (which is the bulk of her experience).

(2) If her experience comes from the Clinton administration, she needs to be judged for the bad as well as the good: Defense of Marriage Act, Don't Ask-Don't Tell, the failures of NAFTA, evisceration of the labor movement, damage to the movement for universal healthcare. She also needs to take more credit for distractions during Bill Clinton's years in office, like Travelgate. . . and wasn't there something about land deals?

The point is, Hillary Clinton is trying to have it both ways and Obama (and every other Democrat) should not let that stand. She is either a relative neophyte with 8 years of Senatorial experience (very similar to Obama's 4 years), or she is an extension of the Clinton adminstration -- both the good and the bad.

Posted by: MShake | March 15, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Experience in national security? Grace under pressure? Let's look at her run up to the New Hampshire primaries. The phone rings at 3 a.m. and the President of the United States cries.

Posted by: afshome | March 15, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama talks a lot about a "new kind of politics" but he's crooked as a horse-shoe.

That's what really yanks my chain about both Obama and his supporters.

Obama and his supporters are bigger hypocrites than even Bush and the Republican's are, and that's saying a lot.

Just like the fall of Spitzer, the fall of Obama will be swift and brutal.

Nobody likes a self-righteous hypocrite.

They're the worst kind of fraud.

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Channel 5, Chicago's most respected TV news.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

I'm sorry to burst his disciples bubble, but the real Barry Obama is a really bad guy

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's 35 so-called years of experience is overstated and come from her husbands presidency. To all of her supports, how can you be first lady with no authority what so ever. Never held an elected office before the Senate run. And don't credit people when it's due or say "I'm sorry". Lies, lies and more lies this woman believes are true, even when they are flushed out......... Tell the TRUTH and relese those papers and tax records over the last 5 or 6 years. Where did that money come from?????? Hillary makes me sick!

Posted by: QuietStormX | March 15, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enMWfQl_Qeg

I wonder if anyone else watching this video of Reverend Wright noticed the man at the end of the video. It looks to me like this is Barrack Obama.

I would like anyone else's view on whether or not it is. You can only see it on the very last frame and have to stop and start it to actually get a still image to look at. Anyway, I would love to know what others think.

Posted by: chersplace | March 15, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

What record? Why is this news? Who cares?

Posted by: paulnolan97 | March 15, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama has great experience using hard drugs.

Obama's new campaign slogan --

"I'd like to teach the world to snort"

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

USA not United of big and litle States of America. USA is United States of America.
If any of litle states declare indepedendence will it be litle or big?

Posted by: Gandra | March 15, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Average Jane

You must be an Obama supporter. Why else would you call me a name instead of just answering the question.

After seeing the videos of his Minister I can understand now why he generates such and angry following.

Posted by: chersplace | March 15, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton's real experience is at deceiving. She does it with grace and ease. Her husband was president, so she --she has experience! Wanna buy bridge cheap?

Vote for me. My father was a Marine, I visited a Marine base, and I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.

Posted by: afshome | March 15, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Exacly what cabinet or ambassador post did Hillary hold in the Clinton administration? Someone please remind me for I have forgotten.

Posted by: OscarMayer2 | March 15, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse


AverageJane

I am just asking a question, I didn't make the video it was played on the news.

I noticed something and am asking a question. That's how we learn, by asking questions.

If you look at the ticker across the bottom of the screen it continues through the clip.

I am not even saying for sure it is Obama I just would like to know.

Would you?

Posted by: chersplace | March 15, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama will be a great "prison trustee" and "leader of his cell block"

Hillary's nobody's "sock puppet", but Barry Obama will be a really good "hand puppet" for his fellow prisoners.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Comparing Obama to JFK is like comparing Jim Jones to JFK.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I am 30 years old. I support Obama because I feel he is a self made person and because I feel he can unite the two parties to get things done for the country. I support him over the other two candidates because I feel Mccain is a war monger and he is way too old to function effectively in the presidential role. Hillary is nothing more than Bill Clinton's puppet. She is NOT a leader. End of story.

Posted by: rai215 | March 15, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama is toast.

He should go to jail for a long, long, time for what he did in Chicago.

For Obama's cell-mate's enjoyment, I hope Obama lands "buttered side up"

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse


the bill and hillary team want to try and make this election about race. they want to divide up the country.

bill and hillary are as bigoted as george bush is.

if hillary gets the nomination, I WON'T VOTE.

we need CHANGE in this country.. not bill and hillary OR mccain.

i think the most meaningful endorsement Barack Obama received was from Caroline Kennedy and Maria Shriver.

i do see a young JFK in Obama's ideas and inspirations.

Posted by: presGWBfanclub | March 15, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I'd just like to post a couple of quotes that appeared in a NY Times article back on January 20, 1997 regarding Hillary Clinton's role as First Lady and her role as Advisor to the President. Then other people can decide if she has had more exposure and experience than either McCain or Obama in dealing with both domestic and foreign policy issues in the Executive Branch of our Government.

The Headline of the article is: 'Hillary Clinton, an Evolutionary Tale ' It was written by James Bennet on January 20 1997. Here are three quotes from the article.

1) "But while the White House may lump her various causes under the anodyne rubric of ''children's issues,'' Mrs. Clinton is still pursuing a far broader agenda of causes -- including foreign development, immunization in the inner cities and expanding financial credit for women -- than almost any predecessor in the undefined role of First Lady."

2) "Mr. Clinton's aides acknowledge that she remains among the President's most powerful advisers, and Administration officials credit her with fighting internally to preserve or increase their budgets."

3) "At the Agency for International Development, Brian Atwood, the administrator, said of Mrs. Clinton's grasp of complex development issues: ''She understands these issues better than 90 percent of the people who operate within the foreign policy community.'' "


Posted by: BecJensen1 | March 15, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The reality seems to be that Clinton has already been pushed to the sidelines. McCain directs his campaign only against Obama, and the general discussion among voters deal with Obama vs. McCain. Hillary appears to be the hateful, divisive hardline defender of yesterday's old party line, while McCain and Obama both try to deal with a future for ALL Americans, even reaching across party lines.

Posted by: dunnhaupt | March 15, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

To make peace Clinton bombed Serbia 1999. Bush 2008 recognized Kosovo. That is medicine for peace.
Serbia vs Kosovo = GB vs Nothern Ireland
Give indepedance Notehern Ireland like USA gave it Kosovo.
GB also recognize Kosovo, so there is not any problem GB recognize Nothern Ireland, without bombing.
Stop doble standards. Peace in Nothern Ireland after Kosovo independance is illusion.

Posted by: Gandra | March 15, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

If you say something negative about Obama, you're racist or hateful. Would we pout and whine when South Korea or Russia throw insults his way? I thought the Obama camp said that his campaign was NOT a fairy tale. So, stop dreaming.

Posted by: Susan9 | March 15, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

She's dishonest...less electable than Obama...behind in delegates...employs whispering gossipeers like Penn that make up absurd spins on disasters...sold out long ago to clinch onto power...has exhibited craziness and a penchent for playing the victim...and would bring along a string of scandals and an unfaithful loose-canon into the oval office...

Oh Lord please spare us 8 years of this!

Posted by: pdurand | March 15, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

For the idiot posting that youtube video about Obama, there's just one thing you forgot to change. The people at Wright's sermon are mostly Black and the Church doesn't look like that background. Obama isn't wearing a jacket? All of the men appear to be. And why are all the people facing Obama if Wright is giving the speech.

Your swift boat just sunk.

Posted by: AverageJane | March 15, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Her nose is growing...

Posted by: jprice | March 15, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Her nose is growing...

Posted by: jprice | March 15, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

We all know Hillary real well. What do we really know about Obama. I don't buy a "pig in the poke".

Hillbillie

Posted by: cornfield | March 15, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I refuse to stay in a political party that is stupid enough to nominate Barack Obama. This is no small statement considering the legions losers that we've nominated over then last 30 years.

I stuck with them through the "we want to be nice republicans" period, the "we agree with Bush" period and the "we are going to keep making meaningless points on Iraq" period. But if they nominate this fast talking, empty suit who isn't qualified to manage a McDonalds, I'm done.

I don't know if I'm more concerned that he will screw up bad in the general election or screw up bad as President. Either way, the country and the party loses big.

Posted by: lpeter59 | March 15, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

"Involved?" If she was involved with everything William J. did in office, does that include Monica?

Posted by: Spitfires | March 15, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I agree. Letting poor people freeze to death is a hateful thing

Barry Obama should get life.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

How much irony is there with Obama saying Clinton is inflating HER experience? And a speech qualifies you for President, Barack? Way to change the subject.

Posted by: Susan9 | March 15, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

so many, many hateful people. Get a life!

Posted by: maj | March 15, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I agree with all the Obama fans that Obama won Texas.

IN fact we should adopt this sytem for the real presidential election. We need to scrap the winner take all approach of the electoral college system, and move to a proportional allocation. Then, in some selective states like Utah, Wyoming, and Alaska, we need to a 2nd caucus. This caucus should only be open to people making more than $200,000 per month, and who have both a Ph.D. in Astrophysics and a JD from Harvard. And this special caucus should be help only from 2AM to 3AM and also at Wednesday afternoon 2PM-3PM where riff raff like shift workers are at work and the feeble old people may be sleeping. But, who cares, we all know those kinds of people are weak, and not deserving of voting power anyway.

In the final tally, the caucus of these 3 states should represent 50% of the entire electoral college, with the election for the rest.

Posted by: intcamd1 | March 15, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters bring up a good point.

With all the Coke Obama did, he's still be up at 3:00am.

On the other hand, he might have a heart-attack when the phone rings...

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

what record? prior to being elected to the senate it consisted of 16 years serving as state and the nations first lady.YOU MEAN TO TELL ME SERVING TEA CAKES AND COFFEE SERVES AS EXPERIENCE IN THIS COUNTRY TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER A CALL AT 3AM.

Posted by: ronaldtennillegeorgia1 | March 15, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enMWfQl_Qeg

I wonder if anyone else watching this video of Reverend Wright noticed the man at the end of the video. It looks to me like this is Barrack Obama.

I would like anyone else's view on whether or not it is. You can only see it on the very last frame and have to stop and start it to actually get a still image to look at. Anyway, I would love to know what others think.


Posted by: chersplace | March 15, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters must be comedians.

They have no standing to ask anything from anyone.

Obama's going to be asking the judge for a shorter sentence.

I hope the judge throws the book at him.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

My boss has 40 years of experience, she's still a lousy boss.

So good luck with the experience thing, sometimes it clouds your judgement.

Posted by: AverageJane | March 15, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

When areBill and Hillary going to release their tax forms for the years 2000-2007 so we can see where they got all that money from the Ukrainian and Kzakh gangsters?

Posted by: majorteddy | March 15, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

What surprises me, while she was first lady, she claims to have been responsable to many decisions. I thought Bill was the president (and a lair under oath), can you trust lairs? Hillary is power hungry with a very cold and forced smile. Obama at least worked from the very botton up to where he is today. No one is perfect, but out of the two, I would prefer Obama.

Posted by: hamtron | March 15, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are dreaming if they think America will elect Barry Obama to any public office, ever again.

Obama and his supporters really need to give up drugs.

Especially all the LSD and MDMA they take when they wake up and before they go to bed.

Obama and Wright's dreams are America's nighmare.

Soon our national nightmare will be over.

America is waking up.

Obama is history.


Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Hillary "if I knew now what I knew then" Clinton seems to defend everything under the sun that favors her own agenda - except her vote to fund and pursue Bush's War.

She's all gung ho about Bush's tax refund too. The whole pointless, futile refund dwarfs Clinton and Bush's eventual trillions to be spent on the war she approved. This unchecked bleeding from the US Treasury certainly is a factor in the economic woes the US faces now.

I want to hear her defend this - most likely to hear the disingenuous, desperate, Clinton pull something out of her hat of speech tricks to twist this around too.

Posted by: WashingtonisFullofKnuckleheadsinTheirCars | March 15, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

It's ludicrous for Obama to attack Clinton's experience. He doesn't have a single legislative accomplishment. The GOP is going to make mince-meat of him, using interviews like the following as evidence:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23256713#23256713

Posted by: howdy999 | March 15, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

The facts are that Clinton does have extensive foreign policy experience, while Obama has none. Obama supporters are simply trying to argue that its not enough experience and use this to mask thinly veiled sexist comments about her being First Lady, being married to Bill, etc., etc. But, the fact remains that her foreign policy experience is far better and more extensive than Obama's.

Posted by: mo897 | March 15, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Majorteddy wrote:

Hillary must have taken a George O'Leary short course on resume padding.
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Hillary has been honest about her role in the Ireland peace talks. She said she worked with women to be able to reason with them to come together for the good of their people.

They may not have been the decision makers - Hillary never said they were, but the women there were the "voice" that brought the conversation and the violence to a peaceful conclusion. \

Good job, Hillary. gw.
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Also, along the line of "resume padding," you must have missed the fact that Jones, the President of the Illinois State Senate, and nicknamed "Kingmaker," yanked high profile legislation from other lawmakers who had worked for years on the bills, and put Obama's name on them, to "enhance his political resume."

That was very dishonest of Obama to allow Jones to do that and not tell the truth to the American public. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 15, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Two tags for Clinton: dishonest, insincere.

Posted by: StaggoLee | March 15, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

If you went to a church for 20 years is it possible not to know that your minister is a bigot?

Posted by: lpeter59 | March 15, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama has dreams about his father. Clinton has dreams that she actually saved the world during her husbands reign of terror over the interns and receptionists. She dreamed that she rode in on a white horse and waved a magic wand and solved the standoff in Northern Ireland, although no one else remembers it that way. She remembers how she authored S-Chip, although the senators actually sponsoring the bill say she was against it. I bet she was even there to sign the Declaration of independence , but that darned Trent Lott gave her a pen with invisible ink.

Posted by: majorteddy | March 15, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Thinker,

this is some of Hillary's experience and behind-the-scenes work:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travelgate

Posted by: wolfi101 | March 15, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

ATTN: Looking for a few good men and women to join our "Commander-in-Chief School of Hypocracy". Our one week intensive course will teach you how to answer phone calls on your 'red phone' in the middle of the night and help you overstate your prior experience convincingly.

Please email your resumes to www.hypocrats-r-us.com. No prior lying experience necessary!

Posted by: smatken | March 15, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton has more experience in public life than Barack Obama will ever achieve. This is the guy who lied on his resume to claim he's a former law professor when he was merely a non-tenured lecturer at the Chichago U. School of Law. This is the guy who as a part-time Ill. state rep. voted "present" 130 times. This is the guy who claims good judgment based on one speech he made opposing the Iraq War and has since done nothing to back up his fine words. This is the guy who started running for the presidency the day after he was elected to the Senate. This is the guy who as chair of a senate subcommitte on foreign affairs hasn't had time to hold a single oversight hearing on Afghanistan because, he explains, he's been too busy campaigning for the presidency.

This is not a guy that I will ever vote for to be president of the United States. Barack Obama is not qualified to be president - period.

Posted by: ichief | March 15, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama's resume of buying, selling, and using hard drugs, stealing from the poor to give to the rich, shafing his voters, letting people freeze to death, and being a lacky for a slumlord is truly impressive.

He deserves a lifetime appointment.

The supermax is the perfect spot for him.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Go Hillary!!!

20 years of hearing his pastors sermons and now after it made "some" of mainstream media he rejects it...? A little to late!

Obama should dropout! He could NEVER win against McCain now!

Posted by: glamourchild1 | March 15, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Interesting how although people are crashing Youtube watching anti-American racist hate speeches by Obama's Minister, the establishment press (WaPo, NYT) barely covers Obama's belated attempt to distance himself from this creep, and tries to shift the focus back to some supposed fault of Clinton. This time it just isn't working. The Obama-as-traitor story has a life of its own now.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | March 15, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Senator John McCain, NOW, that the Dimocrat Socialists have handed you the White House on a Silver Platter,

What are you going to do?

"I'm going to Euro-Disneyland"! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Pathina: Obama is a fraud, like a snake-oil salesman who used too much cocaine. He doesn't know the difference between Wright and wrong.

The media has been showing the sermons of Rev. Wright all weekend. People are finally getting to see what many of us knew all along, that Obama is not out to unite us. Obama is out to "divide and conquer."

There are stories about this strategy on Google - "Divide and conquer." It is a ploy to win elections when you are not fit to win elections. As is the case with Obama. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 15, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Hillary must have taken a George O'Leary shortcourse on resume padding. 1) I spent 17 years working very hard on hiding evidence from the press. 2) I spent 17 years trying to tick off the press. 3) I spent 17 of the best years of my life trying to stave off a vast right wing conspiracy(which that darned Obama has now joined up with).4) I spent so much time hissing at Repuiblicans that I now have buckteeth.

Posted by: majorteddy | March 15, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

The only thing Obama has more experience than Hillary Clinton in is buying, selling, and using "hard drugs"

We should give Barry Obama full credit for that experience.

Every single year, as defined by statue, under federal and state law.

Barry Obama should be elected to a lifetime appointment in the Illinois State Pen.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton should include as part of her "experience" the time she spent as a "Goldwater Girl." The six years she spent on the board of directors of Wal-Mart fighting attempts by employees to unionize. The time she spent at the Rose Law firm making a lot of bucks on the White Water land deal, the Travelgate experience. After all, they are part of the "35 years of experience" she is always crowing about. (copy and paste URL below.

www.berkeley.edu/news/berkeleyan/2000/04/26/hillary.html

Posted by: rhbate | March 15, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Well I'm going to say this guys " GIVE ME MAMA NOW "!!!!

Posted by: harried | March 15, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

No matter how much you slice and dice it. Hillary has more federal experience than Obama. She has formed more alliances in Congress, knows first hand how the White House interfaces with the military, Supreme Court and Congress and knows far more heads of states and power brokers in other countries on a first name basis.

Obama has been on the federal scene for less than three years and most of that was spent running for President.

This lame argument, by the Obama cult, that his experience is comparable to hers is silly.

Posted by: lpeter59 | March 15, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"Sen. Bob Kerrey of Nebraska, a maverick Democratic leader and frequent critic of President Clinton, has publicly accused Mr. Clinton of being "an unusually good liar."

Just more of the two-fers' White House experience.

Posted by: infuse | March 15, 2008 04:18 PM

How good of a lier can Hillary be when she is caught on tape proving she lied:

The Shocking Video Hillary Does NOT Want You To See!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&feature=related

Clintons to face fraud trial
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56868


Posted by: macboy4u | March 15, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama and his supporters are chiding Hillary Clinton for claiming foreign policy experience.

An obvious question is, well Barack, what foreign policy experience do you have? I know you lived in Indonesia when you were 6-10 years old, but I think that this hardly counts as foreign policy experience.


Posted by: David2007 | March 15, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Doing charity work overseas as a matron does not equate to foreign policy.

The biggest international issue in 1993 was the WTC bombing. Did Hillary raise a finger to build a defensive strategy against Al Qaeda?

The Clintons could have prevented Iraq.

They didn't.

Many died because of Hillary and her negligence while "on the job".

Posted by: jabailo | March 15, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm convinced. Hllary has at least enough Washington experince to disqualify her from being president. Obama might also, but there's at least a chance he's inexperienced enough.

Who has better judgement I don't know. But Obama is more even-tempered, a quality I would highly value in someone with their finger on the button.

Plus, what really matters is wisdom - to surround yoourself with the right type of people. Judging by their campaigs, which realise is not optimal, Obama appears to be the only one of the two with this thype of wisdom.

Posted by: rschmieder | March 15, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

mehuwss wrote:
rslip wrote:

"Had the media done it's job of properly vetting this man [Obama], and made people aware of how his persona was shaped by this hate-monger, I believe that many people would not have voted for him. Now the damage has been done and he enjoys a delegate lead and a popular vote lead that is very questionable.
This Wright thing will destroy the Democratic party's chances in November."
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There is still time. If people vote for Hillary in the remaining primaries, the superdelegates can make up the difference,if any, in favor of Hillary.
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In California, years ago, my children said to me one night - (Lovingly, of course.)
What are mother's good for? The next morning, bright and early while we were all still asleep, a strong earthquake hit. My four children all landed in my bed in one fell swoop.

I was able, then, to tell them, "Now, you know what mother's are good for."

A little story to wake people up to what the super delegates are good for - this sudden deflation of the American people's hopes about Obama. The super delegates are thoughtful, rational thinkers - if they weren't, they would have jumped on one bandwagon or the other by now.

They will help us sort this thing out for the collective good of the American people.

It is too bad that Obama joined the ranks of the down and dirty, corrupt politicians of Chicago - his mother was a very international lady - very well educated and downright smart.

Obama got some of his qualities from her, but he cut his teeth on Chicago corruption and self-need and self-greed. Now, he has disappointed a nation.

I have to add that I have had such respect for David Gergen all these years, but now, he is just another disappointing biased Obama defender, no matter what Obama has done. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 15, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Lets follow the rules.

Obama used Cocaine repeatedly.

Each use is a felony, punishable by time in the state Penn.

Lets add up all the times he bought, sold, and used hard drugs, and give him every year he deserves for it.

Like Obama's supporters say.

RULES ARE RULES!!!

RIGHT???

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Just who are the people- group- who are ochestrating personal attacks on Barack Obama?
If you do an audit on these type of sites you will see that the personal attack strategy whcih Clinton's camp used overtly in the beginning; they appear to be now covertly working to do this.
Whilst no-one of real principle can become President because of the need to sell themsleves ot the highest bidder, if Obama is being personally attacked by Clinton so visciously he must be doing something right.
Much of the money for his campaign comes from ordinary people- her's come from the powerful lobby groups...she is in thrall to too many to be even remotely indipendent.
I would not buy a used car off her.

Posted by: pathina | March 15, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary's recent claims to the invalid results of the Michigan primary show what kind of person she is. Dishonest."
Posted by: jjacobs_msn | March 15, 2008 02:12 PM

This really stinks as a fix. It will face serious complaints that it is a tainted process precisely because both states voted once already in clearly unsanctioned fashion, and yet, Clinton was declared the leader. The people in theses states especially Florida know of Hillary. Many are from Hillary's home state, NY. Because it was declared unsanctioned, no fault of Obama's, he was not allowed to campaign there. His name was NOT even on the Michigan Primary. The results also showed that many democrats (many that may have voted for Obama) did not go to the polls because they were told their votes would not count toward the National Convention. Hillary did go to Florida for fund raisers. If this is the democratic way, then I and many others will turn away. Obama has brought a huge movement of people for change to the 2008 election process. Numbers that have not been seen before. Do this and get ready for a huge movement away to the other side. It looks to me and many others I'm sure, that the Democratic Party wants Hillary to steel this election. Very interesting that this wasn't an issue until Hillary and the party realized she had no chance to win. The number of delegates are not in her favor, with no hope to catch Obama. So now they want to change the rules.
Ya, I smell a rat. In-fact the hole process has become a big rat hole.
Rules are rules, follow them!

Posted by: macboy4u | March 15, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama and his supporters have overplayed their hand.

Obama's real record is dismal.

Clinton should demand Obama release detailed records of his hard drug use, including a list of all the people Obama bought hard drugs from, used them with, and sold them too.

America will never knowingly elect a President with a history of abusing hard drugs like cocaine or heroin.

While she's at it, Clinton should demand Obama release a full list of his prior sex partners of both sexes.

Since Obama supporters are always accusing Hillary of being a Lesbian, which she is not, Clinton supporters should return fire and force Obama to tell American know just how "exotic" his own sexual history is.

Obama is a fake and a fraud.

The sooner the American people find out the truth about Obama, the sooner his campaign of hype and guilt-tripping everyone will blissfully end.

Lets start with full disclosure of his relationship with Rezko.

The one he lied about on national TV during the debates.

Video of Obama's LIE be re-played over and over if Democrats make the mistake of nominating Obama for anything.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

svreader,
Every day is the same with you. Please stop being such a tiresome bore.

Posted by: mack1 | March 15, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama/Rezko/Jail '08

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: maq1 | March 15, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama's "astro-turf" efforts are organized and dangerous.

What looks like "grass-roots" support is carefully managed as any military operation.

The goal is to silence any negative information about cult-leader Barry Obama.

Obama's got more in common with Stalin and "Jim Jones" than washington or lincoln.

Obama is far worse and dangerous a guy than almost anyone imagines.

The mainstream press has been complicit in this fraud, rather than doing their job and exposing it for what it is.

Obama's cult of personality is the farthest thing from the principles of our founding fathers that one can imagine.

Its closer to facism than idealism.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Bob Kerrey of Nebraska, a maverick Democratic leader and frequent critic of President Clinton, has publicly accused Mr. Clinton of being "an unusually good liar."

Just more of the two-fers' White House experience.

Posted by: infuse | March 15, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The most disconcerting part of Clinton's overblown experience claims is that those are the kind of qualities that we generally find with really ineffective leadership. High achieving leaders do not take credit when it does not properly belong to them -- they have enough humility to assign credit where it is actually due.

The last time I checked there is a good reason HRC did not receive a Nobel Prize for her work brokering peace in Northern Ireland. The hard work was done by many others over the course of several years. Clinton's role in that situation was at best tangential.

In more recent years her judgment on Iraq, Iran, and Pakistan calls into question whether her judgment (never mind the "threshold" fantasy that she's attempted to perpetuate). She has yet to articulate a clear, coherent, foreign policy agenda. On the other hand, Obama, by focusing on energy independence, nuclear non-proliferation, and his early cautions about the Iraq War has shown judgment that is at least a half a decade ahead of the more experienced Clinton and McCain.

Posted by: JPRS | March 15, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

The truth: Hillary failed early on in the Clinton administration with her health care disaster. After that, she was kept far away from anything that mattered... ANYTHING!

If she had succeeded with Hillarycare, then of course she would have had a completely different trajectory (and she would have had real claims to successes) but sadly she is now forced to treat the scraps as if they were meat.

Posted by: brownsca | March 15, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons are not cooperating with the White House for the release of their records; during a debat in Ohio, Hillary had told Tim Russel that the delay was coming from the slow process at the White House but the White House has replied that they were still waiting for the Clintons to request the release of their records!!

So, if Hillary wants to defend her records, she should probably begin by cooperating with the White House for the release of her records. We will then know exactly what is the extend of her experience related to her journey in the White House.

The Clintons should also cooperate to release their other records: in particular tax returns and list of big donors to their foundations. They are often accused to be in dirty businesses with lobbyists. These records would help determining if this is true. There are reports indicating that this might be true:

The Clinton foundation received recently a $31.3 million donation after Bill expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader's, undercuting both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights:

Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

In january 2008, the Clintons received $20 million from business deals with Dubai in the Middle East:

Source:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/22/bill-clinton-severs-ties-_n_82616.html

The Clintons should release their records so that we don't end up in a situation where Hillary is nominated and fall in disgrace after scandals come to light from these records.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 15, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Will you guys wake up? Obama's a kid! Four years as a senator and he's qualified to be president? You've GOT to be kidding! McCain has 27 years of military experience (while Obama was too good to join the military); yet Obama wants to be commander-in-chief? Scarry! Hillary has her baggage to be sure but she's forgotten more about politics and government than Obama will ever know.

Posted by: sgk1212 | March 15, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Not one single post here from Obama's supporters listing Barack Obama's role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland -- or ANY foreign policy experience on his part, for that matter.

Barack Obama's experience in U.S. foreign affairs consists of sending out his campaign workers to denigrate another American's service to her country.

This is a "new kind of politics" on BO's part????? Whew.

Posted by: freespeak | March 15, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

As usual, Obama and his supporters are full of drugs.

They have a really great new slogan --

Vote for Obama and we'll get you high!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Shrink2-LOL! YOU would have to mention the friggin Turtles and Kaneohe Bay!

Across from the Morgan Ranch, is a windward Break called "Rainbows" just windward of Razorbacks. On typical Days with strong winds, I would try to make my drop, and there would be all the Board Trashing stupid Turtles Grinding on the Friggin Jellyfish below! :-o

Probably how I learned to hang onto the faces!

On Kona days, one of the most perfect spots on the Rock!

Surprised you did not mention Flat Island. Lanikai(Sp?) /Kailua one of the best spots in the World. Sure helped the Nash's! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

As usual, Hillary is full of blarney. It's about time someone actually checked out what she claims. People who were there say her claims of shaping foreign policy are phony. If she was really had a key role, she should prove it (release all those White House records already!, not just ask people to rely on the squishy claims of "involvement" by partisans like George Mitchell. You can't believe a word of what Hillary says. Even Bernstein, in his valentine of a book on her, calls her a chronic dissembler. Just like Bill.

Posted by: CTSKINSFAN2 | March 15, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Lets be fair to Obama.

He started a major non-prescription drug program for himself and his friends.

They only sold "hsrd drugs", but that's ok for Obama's supporters.

A few big lines of coke and a some LSD and they're fine for the whole day.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

In campaign speeches, Clinton describes the State Children's Health Insurance Program, or SCHIP, as an initiative "I helped to start." Addressing Iowa voters in November, Clinton said, "in 1997, I joined forces with members of Congress and we passed the State Children's Health Insurance Program." Clinton regularly cites the number of children in each state who are covered by the program, and mothers of sick children have appeared at Clinton campaign rallies to thank her.

But the Clinton White House, while supportive of the idea of expanding children's health, fought the first SCHIP effort, spearheaded by Senators Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, and Orrin G. Hatch, Republican of Utah, because of fears that it would derail a bigger budget bill. And several current and former lawmakers and staff said Hillary Clinton had no role in helping to write the congressional legislation, which grew out of a similar program approved in Massachusetts in 1996.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/14/clinton_role_in_health_program_disputed/

Posted by: infuse | March 15, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Lets hear it for a third term for Bill Clinton.

He turned a Republican Deficit into a Democratic Surplus.

The stock market went through the roof.

The middle-class got rich.

When Obama and Rezko got rich, poor people died.

I'd rather take Bill Clinton any day.

Lets give him four terms.

Just like FDR.

He was pretty good too.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The more Hillary Clinton claimes "experience" of the first lady as a (almost) equal partner of Bill Clinton presidency, the more scary it becomes. It sounds like next Clinton presidency (if happens) will be the third term of Clintons. Bill will certainly be the partner of Hillary (WHY NOT! We have already seen it's unstoppable.) Even constitutional legitimacy will be in question.

Posted by: batteauframing | March 15, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Barry Obama has lots of connections with the middle-east.

Unfortunately, not of it is with countries that are allies of America.

May he and his buddy Rezko can start an import-export business.

Barry sure knows how to buy and sell things.

He bought a great house from Rezko and sold a totall "bill of goods" to the American people.

He certainly knows how to sell young kids on his cult

Obama should be elected President of Amway.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Are her lips moving? If so, just like her husband, she's lying.
The more indignant she gets, the more assured you can be that it's untrue. Exaggeration and deceit are the Clintons' trademark. Contemptible skags.

Posted by: LarryG62 | March 15, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Dear Mr./Mrs./Ms. "svreader":

Is it your view that knowing a Syrian person is sufficient to give a person "connections to countries like Syria" in any non-trivial sense of "connection"?

More generally, is it your view that, in general, knowing a person of a given ethnicity gives one "connections" to that person's country of origin?

Posted by: vartan1 | March 15, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

rat-the

I'm 52 with toddlers now and it looks like I am the only psychiatrist here even though everybody is telling somebody to take psych drugs.

Ah, Kaneohe Bay...in the late eighties I would take a big windsurfer out there and stay over night far out there. Bring a little water and food. Lots of turtles, I remember.

I grew up in Minnesota and...now I just got married to a woman from Borneo. How'd we meet? Surfing of course.

Anyway, lets get back to making fun of each other!

Posted by: shrink2 | March 15, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

So, who do we believe? Hillary or everybody else-the people who did the real work. Why would Lord Trimble who won a Nobel peace prize for his work in bringing peace to Northern Ireland call Hillary a "wee bit silly" for suggesting that she was anything more than a cheerleader. Why would there be absolutely no record anywhere (including in Hillary's own book) about the meeting she said last week on CNN that she had bringing women's groups together at the Belfast Town Hall? It turns out that she had a tea at a nearby restaurant and she didn't call these people together-they met regularly. How inconvenient for Hillary that they opened the borders of Macedonia the day BEFORE she got there to partake in the negotiations to open the borders of Macedonia. And my personal favorite-that dangerous trip she took to Bosnia! Too dangerous for Bill to go on---so she took 15 year old Chelsea?!?
Experience in lies, deceptions and exxagerations we don't need. We've had them for the last 15 years!

Posted by: stburke40 | March 15, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

The depth of Barry Obama's experience in buying, selling, and using hard drugs is no exaggeration.

He's a real pro.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Cant we have a campaign without exaggerated claims of experience.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | March 15, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Lets talk about Obama, then.

I've heard the Coke he snorted was really good stuff.

We should ask him where he got it from because all supporters seem to be on some really good stuff too.

Maybe we can make Obama head of the DEA?

If anybody knows hard drugs, its Barry Obama!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Well, I guess after last week events the numbers will drastically change. Comments on Obama-Wright issue published today exceeded 1,000 and going on and on...

Hillary never presented herself as an expert in foreign policy. We all know that foreign policy plays minor role in US presidential election.

At the same time - compared to Obama's absence of vision of outer world - she is the expert.

Posted by: vanitsky | March 15, 2008 03:42 PM

HUH? That's all Hillary talks about. She has been touting her foreign policy experience from the beginning. Where have you been?

Posted by: banshee16 | March 15, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

America should distance itself from Barry Obama.

Obama should distance himself from earth.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

The vitriol on both sides of this debate is amazing and shameful. The simple fact of the matter is all of this infighting will guarantee another 4 years of the Bush crowd. No single fact is as important as the losses the dollar has suffered at the hands of Bush; or the constitution for that matter.

Come on, Democrats, don't join the Republicans in your criticism of either candidate, as either one would be an enormous improvement over Bush/McCain. I like Obama because he is smart and a good leader. Either characteristic is a prime reason for voting for anyone.

Posted by: banshee16 | March 15, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Well, I guess after last week events the numbers will drastically change. Comments on Obama-Wright issue published today exceeded 1,000 and going on and on...

Hillary never presented herself as an expert in foreign policy. We all know that foreign policy plays minor role in US presidential election.

At the same time - compared to Obama's absence of vision of outer world - she is the expert.

Posted by: vanitsky | March 15, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

To joy2 on quoting Greg Craig:
I won't put too much trust into what Craig has to say. Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia on just what kind of person Craig is.

"Mr. Craig has had many controversial and high profile clients during his career. In one of his first high-profile cases, Mr. Craig represented John Hinckley, Jr., the would-be assassin of President Ronald Reagan in 1981-1982. Craig was the architect of Hinkley's successful insanity defense.[8]

He represented his former boss, Senator Edward Kennedy, during the 1991 rape trial of William Kennedy Smith.[9]

Greg Craig also represented the Cuban father of Elián González during the 2000 child custody dispute that ended in the forcible seizure by U.S. Marshals of Elián González from the Miami, Florida home of his relatives.[10]

Attorney Craig represented United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan during the Volker Commission's investigations in 2004 surrounding the Oil-for-Food Programme scandal.

Most recently, he has been representing Pedro Miguel González Pinzón, a Panamanian legislator who is wanted in the United States for the murder, in 1992, of a U.S. Army soldier and the attempted murder of another. In light of his representation of González Pinzón, the Dallas Morning News called on Senator Obama to distance himself from attorney Craig.[11] Attorney Craig had previously represented the Government of Panamá during the 1990 trial of Gen. Manuel Noriega[12] and had sought the return to Panamá's treasury of funds stolen by Noriega."


Here is an Obama surrogate who Obama really should try to distance himself from.

Posted by: alee21 | March 15, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

djwinfield-My Meds?
Rat- the
I have just been waiting Patiently(Get it? PATIENT-ly), for Billary's renowned Health Care Reforms that will make all the Insurance Companies rich beyond our wildest nightmares! :-o

And waiting, and Waiting, and.... ;~)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Good One I like that :o)

Posted by: djwinfield | March 15, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama's Supporter don't like to hear about Obama's connections with countries like Syria and Lebanon.

Sorry guys and gals.

The show's just starting to get good.

Everyone in American wants to know all about con-man Barry Obama's history.

He's a really interesting guy.

Just like any other big-time criminal.

He's going to go down in history for what he did in Chicago.

Just like Al Capone, that other great Chicago "Public Servant"

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

DogBitez
Good One but try this - which one could do more harm to the Security of America and how American people view it's government. The Government do not want us to know that they bombed these countries it may cause an outcry for more investigation as to why these countries hates the US. Also these countries have Oil!!!

I do not like what Rev Wright said but he was right about the Bombing!!!!

Posted by: djwinfield | March 15, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Clinton again feels that she must substantiate her resume, although her evidence of "experience" is skimpy and devoid of the documentation necessary to establish credibility. Instead we receive empty assertions. Will public disclosure of proper documentation precede the Pennsylvania primary, or must we wait until after June for Republican leaks of juicy tidbits on how Ms. Clinton didn't matter, or how by brittleness, temperament or other personal qualities she subverted the very outcome she sought?

Take health care, for instance; on this Clinton once again rises to take credit for essentially directing White House policy during the administration's first two years. With what result? Was failure truly the fault of some "vast right-wing conspiracy," or does responsibility rest largely with Ms. Clinton herself? Eight years is a long time to have waited fruitlessly for even marginal improvement in the health care of needy individuals and families.

On the provision for children's health care, "Senators Ted Kennedy and Orrin Hatch provided much of the energy behind" getting the bill signed, even though "the Clinton administration and the former First Lady supported the idea."

Beyond the spectacle of an inflated resume, we are left with the thought that the next time we expect health care we may require that Barack O'Bama lead the way.

Posted by: FirstMouse | March 15, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama's supporters don't need to worry about getting enough "Press coverage"

Until Barry Obama drops out of the race, lots and lots of people will be glad to help Americans find out just how great a con-man Barry Obama is, and all the wonderfull things he did for the people who voted for him in Chicago right before they froze to death in his slums.

Its going to the "The Barry Obama Show" 24/7

America can hardly wait.

Its going to make "Jerry Springer" look tame by comparison!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"svreader" refers in his/her latest ugly explosion to "Syrian Slumlord Rezko".

Sheesh. Just out of curiosity, what does Rezko's ethnicity have to do with anything that's up for -- let's be charitable -- call it *discusson* -- here?

Posted by: vartan1 | March 15, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

FACT CHECK: Hillary's Adventures Abroad

We find some exaggerations in Clinton's claims of foreign policy experience.

By Joe Miller | Newsweek Web Exclusive

On March 6 Hillary Clinton claimed that, unlike Barack Obama, she and likely Republican nominee John McCain have "cross[ed] the commander-in-chief threshold." In a CNN interview the day before, Clinton had listed five foreign policy accomplishments. We can't determine how much behind-the-scenes work Clinton did while first lady, and she certainly took an active interest in foreign policy when her husband was president. Moreover, her time as first lady plus her longer Senate career do give Clinton more foreign policy experience than Obama. But the public record of her actions shows that many of Clinton's foreign policy claims are exaggerated.

Clinton claims to have "negotiated open borders" in Macedonia to fleeing Kosovar refugees. But the Macedonian border opened a full day before she arrived, and her meetings with Macedonian officials were too brief to allow for much serious negotiating.

Clinton's activities "helped bring peace to Northern Ireland." Irish officials are divided as to how helpful Clinton's actions were, and key players agree that she was not directly involved in any actual negotiations.

Clinton has repeatedly referenced her "dangerous" trip to Bosnia. She fails to mention, however, that the Bosnian war had officially ended three months before her visit - or that she made the trip with her 16-year-old daughter and two entertainers.

Both Bill and Hillary Clinton claim that Hillary privately championed the use of U.S. troops to stop the genocide in Rwanda. That conversation left no public record, however, as U.S. policy was explicitly to stay out of Rwanda, and officials say that the use of U.S. troops was never considered.

Clinton's tough speech on human rights delivered to a Beijing audience is as advertised, though Clinton herself has been dismissive of speeches that aren't backed by solutions.

Analysis:

Over the past two weeks - beginning with that well-known 3 a.m. ad where she calls herself "tested" - Hillary Clinton has been arguing that she has significantly more foreign policy experience than Barack Obama, her rival for the Democratic nomination. On her Web site, Clinton cites five specific examples of her foreign policy experience: her assistance in bringing peace to Northern Ireland; her work to help open Macedonia's borders to Albanian refugees; her trip to the Bosnian war zone to promote U.S. policy; her speech on women's rights delivered in Beijing; and her public statements on Rwanda. Obama's camp has fired right back with charges that Clinton is exaggerating her foreign policy experience. And when initially pressed to name a "moment" when Clinton was "tested in crisis" her two chief spokespeople responded with an awkward silence.

Officials from Bill Clinton's administration are largely divided as to the extent and effectiveness of Hillary Clinton's foreign policy role as first lady. For example, Richard Holbrooke, a former assistant secretary of state and ambassador to the U.N., claims that Clinton's "intense efforts" in Macedonia "contributed to saving many lives." On the other hand, Susan Rice, also an assistant secretary of state during the Clinton administration, argues that Clinton was never asked to do any "heavy lifting" and says that Clinton's role was more about "gentle prodding or constructive reinforcement." That Holbrooke and Rice would remember Clinton's role differently is unsurprising: Holbrooke is a foreign policy adviser to the Clinton campaign, while Rice has the same role with Obama's campaign.

Indeed, the New York Times recently reported that, as first lady, Clinton did not hold a security clearance nor did she sit in on meetings with the National Security Council. We examined some of the specific examples of Sen. Clinton's experience and found that most of them are weaker than advertised.

Border Patrol:

In a March 5 interview on CNN, Clinton said that she "negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo." Clinton is referring to her May 14, 1999, trip to Macedonia, which shares a border with Kosovo. According to her Web site, Clinton "traveled to the international border on the edge of the war zone" before meeting with Macedonia's president and prime minister.

We note, first, that Clinton's claim that the refugee camp was "on the edge of a war zone" gives an exaggerated picture of the risk involved. Traveling to the Kosovo border was more dangerous than remaining in Washington, and the trip did involve some risk. But Clinton did not land in the middle of an active combat zone, and the risks that she did take were not exceptional: Prior visitors to the refugee camp included Richard Gere and Bianca Jagger. For that matter, much of the "war" in Kosovo consisted of NATO airstrikes against the Yugoslav troops who had forced thousands of ethnic Albanians to flee Kosovo, and the nearest NATO ground troops were deployed in Albania, more than 100 miles away from Clinton.

More significantly, Clinton did not in fact "negotiate on matters such as opening borders for refugees during the war in Kosovo." Macedonia had reopened its border to Kosovar refugees the day before Clinton's arrival, as has been widely reported. Clinton now says that she pressed for opening the borders "much wider." In a written statement that the Clinton campaign has circulated widely, Holbrooke, the Clinton administration's chief negotiator on peace in the Balkans, says that there is "no doubt" that Hillary Clinton's actions saved lives.

So how much "pressing" did Clinton actually do? According to her official travel schedule, Clinton was in Macedonia for less than nine hours, nearly half of which she spent touring refugee camps. Clinton was scheduled for photo ops with the prime minister at the residence of the U.S. ambassador at 2:20 p.m. At 2:50 p.m., she had a photo session with Macedonia's president at his residence, followed by a 3:20 photo op with the first lady. That would leave a total of 30 minutes for negotiations, minus time for photos. Indeed, at the time, the New York Times reported that Clinton's trip was so scripted that "Administration officials chose which refugees Mrs. Clinton would speak with." News reports on Clinton's own Web site characterize the first lady's visit as "sweeping through Macedonia" offering "publicity" and "aid."

A Proponent of Peace:

Clinton has taken an interest in the Northern Ireland peace process, visiting the area seven times between 1995 and 2004 - making five of those trips as first lady. Clinton has said that she "helped bring peace to Northern Ireland." Of course, "helped" is a fairly weak claim, one that could be made by nearly anyone who contributed in a way that didn't actively hinder the process. Clinton was not directly involved in the peace negotiations that eventually led to the Good Friday Agreement. Her work focused on encouraging Irish women to take a more active role in the male-dominated peace talks. There is universal agreement that Clinton "helped." The dispute is about how much she helped.

Figures close to the negotiations are split in their assessments. Clinton's campaign has been busy sharing some responses with the press. For example, former Sen. George Mitchell - the lead U.S. negotiator - told the Chicago Tribune that Clinton's visits were "very helpful" and that her work with women was a "significant factor" in contributing to the success of the process. And in a written statement, John Hume, who shared a Nobel Peace Prize with David Trimble for their work on the Good Friday Agreement, said that Clinton provided "decisive support" for the process. Sinn Féin President Gerry Adams agreed, telling the Irish Times that "Senator Clinton played an important role in the peace process" and praising her as "extremely well informed on the issues."

But not everyone agrees. Trimble, for instance, remembers things differently, saying that Clinton's role was mainly that of "cheerleader" and not one of "principal player." One of Hume's aides - perhaps inadvertently showing why the peace process really did need to have more women involved - opined that Clinton was active "in a classic woman politicky sort of way," although he said that Clinton was "certainly investing some time." And an Irish historian who has written extensively about the peace process told the Tribune that Clinton's work was "nice" but also "ancillary to the main thing."

Key players agree that Clinton was an active behind-the-scenes supporter of the peace process and that she was an important player in getting women involved in the negotiations. Getting parties to the table is a crucial part of any peace process. But we note that many could claim foreign policy credentials for bringing principal figures together, including U2's Bono - who convinced Hume and Trimble to appear together for the first time during the referendum campaign and whose photo with the two Irish politicians has been called "one of the enduring images of the peace process."

Dodging Bullets with Sinbad:

Clinton has also touted her March 1996 visit to war-torn Bosnia as evidence of her foreign policy experience, and her campaign has made references to a Washington Post article that described the visit as "the first time since Roosevelt that a first lady has voyaged to a potential combat zone." In a December campaign stop, Clinton recounted a harrowing trip, with her aircraft engaging in a tight corkscrew landing to avoid potential sniper fire. As Clinton explained, the unofficial White House policy was, "If it's too dangerous, too small and too poor, send the first lady."

We can't speak to what may or may not have happened on the military transport that delivered Clinton to Bosnia. She is right, though, that she visited a potential combat zone. But what she fails to mention is that the Dayton Peace Accords - which officially ended a year-and-a-half of war in Bosnia and Herzegovina - had been signed in December 1995. So by the time of Clinton's March 1996 visit, the war itself had been over for three months. Indeed, the accords were so successful that by June 1996 Anthony Lake, a member of President Clinton's national security team, could say with confidence that predictions of "renewed fighting" in Bosnia had turned out to be unfounded. Clinton also correctly quotes the Post. But she leaves out the part of the article that discusses Pat Nixon's visit to a Saigon field hospital in 1969 and Barbara Bush's Thanksgiving celebration with American troops in Saudi Arabia during Desert Storm.

Moreover, Clinton's visit was part of what the New York Times described as a "good-will tour." Other stops included a meeting at Baumholder Army Base in Germany with the families of military personnel who were deployed to Bosnia and meetings in Turkey and Greece to promote women's rights. Chelsea Clinton, then 16, accompanied her mother on all the stops; on the Bosnian leg of the tour, they were joined by singer Sheryl Crow and the comedian Sinbad, who came with a host of donated items, including a big screen TV and candy bars, designed to boost the troops' morale.

Rwandan Pillow Talk:

At a campaign stop in Iowa in December 2007, Bill Clinton told a gathering of potential caucus-goers that Hillary advocated the use of U.S. troops to stop the genocide in Rwanda. When asked whether it was true, Hillary Clinton replied with an unequivocal, "It is."

We're hardly in a position to dispute a private conversation between Bill and Hillary Clinton. It is worth noting, however, that the conversation doesn't seem to have had any sort of verifiable effect. The conversation is not recorded in the memoirs of either Clinton. And there is no record of the former president raising the possibility of deploying troops with any of his advisers. Prudence Bushnell, the State Department official who held the Rwanda portfolio during the Clinton administration, told the Tribune that the U.S. did not ever consider a military intervention in Rwanda. Bushnell is not affiliated with any campaign. For that matter, the U.S. took an active role in removing the few international peacekeeping forces that had been in place. According to an article in The Atlantic by Samantha Power of Harvard (and author of a Pulitzer Prize-winning book on America's role in combating genocide), "staying out of Rwanda was an explicit U.S. policy objective." Power, of course, was an Obama adviser until her celebrated reference to Clinton as a "monster," but Power's article was written in September 2001 - well before Obama ran for the U.S. Senate.

Chinese Rights:

On March 5, Clinton told CNN that "I've been standing up against ... the Chinese government over women's rights and standing up for human rights." Clinton is referring to a speech (you can watch it here) that she delivered in 1995 as part of the United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women. Clinton was critical of China's record on human rights generally and on women's rights in particular, and her forceful remarks drew praise at home from Republicans and Democrats alike. The Chinese were less pleased; her remarks were blacked out, and only 5,000 party members were permitted to hear the speech. Moreover, Clinton's speech achieved a diplomatic end: As incentive for the first lady to come to China, the Chinese government released Harry Wu, a human rights activist whom the government had jailed following his conviction on spurious espionage charges.

Clinton is exactly right as to the details of her China speech. Does a tough speech count as foreign policy experience? Clinton frequently says that Obama "offers speeches" while she "offers solutions," so by her own standards, the China speech doesn't deserve much consideration. We'll leave it up to you to determine how much China's human rights situation improved between 1995 and 2007.

Republished with permission from factcheck.org.

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Posted by: chezqua | March 15, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

No matter how the Obamaites slice it and dice it, Hillary still has more experience in and more exposure to foreign policy. Don't demean the role of First Ladies as a goodwill ambassador for the US.

Posted by: alee21 | March 15, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Ehhh. Who cares. Hillary will be the nominee. After this latest stuff about Obama's Pastor the guy is done.

You can't have your wife and your mentor making anti-american comments and expect to win the presidency. That's just life. Deal with it.

Voters are leaving him in droves.

Posted by: ghokee | March 15, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

The assertions that Hillary made about her
experience are grossly over-stated. Time magazine recently wrote an article about it. If they are lying about her,why doesn't
she just sue them? Also can Clinton explain the picture of her, president Clinton and Rezko? How much money did he
donate to the Clinton campaign? Had to be sizeable in order for the president of the US and his wife to pose with him in a formal picture.

Posted by: leslridl | March 15, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

djwinfield-My Meds?

I have just been waiting Patiently(Get it? PATIENT-ly), for Billary's renowned Health Care Reforms that will make all the Insurance Companies rich beyond our wildest nightmares! :-o

And waiting, and Waiting, and.... ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Bake201

You can not take credit for what some one else have done. Will you hire some one who's resume experience does not equal their actual work experience NO - so stop trying to make a case because you like Hillary. If she is wrong she is wrong. Just vote for her because you like her and not because she overstates her resume.

Posted by: djwinfield | March 15, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Odd how this topic has received such little attention this week. When WAPOST finally decides to do an article... it's the weekend. CNN had it buried as a small article in their Political Ticker. Instead, we had endless coverage of Obama's pastor. What was/is more important for voters to know is Hillary's deceptions and exaggerations of her "experience". She's padded her resume, that's for sure. But since anything remotely negative about Hillary hits on the weekend (when people are less apt to follow the news) and anything negative about Obama hits on weekdays... voters will never see the full picture and Hillary will never be fully vetted. Grossly unfair MSM coverage between the two candidates -- much leeway given to Hillary, while Obama is scrutinized.

Posted by: DogBitez | March 15, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters use any act of kindness as a "shiv" to shove into the back of other Democrats.

Before I knew about "Obama's Slums" I tried to make peace by suggesting a unity ticket.

Now that I know what a crook and con-man Barry Obama is, I wouldn't vote for him for dog-catcher.

Democrats now speak with a single voice --

"We wouldn't vote for Obama for dog-catcher, let alonee VP"

"We're sorry we almost made the mistake of inviting Barry Obama onto the ticket"

"We will never to offer Barry Obama any position on any Democratic Ticket, every again!!!"

That's a promise you can take to the bank.

Just like Obama did with Syrian Slumlord Rezko's Money!!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

starbuck1

We've read all of this about Hillary you don't have to post it again and the latter about OBama is YOUR opinion not facts. Let's discuss issues not insults or opinions please!!!

Posted by: djwinfield | March 15, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Ok, let me get this straight. The Obama people are questioning Hillary's statements on her experience( which she has a truck load compared to Sen. obama's ...what 6 months experience in the Senate before he decided to run for president, and after that is fairly inconclusive)? And, the media, still a little weak-legged for Obama( even after the Power comments and his close friend and pastor's foaming at the mouth comments about "America") grab on to this "Hillary doesn't have experience issue" like a hungry dog. Well , I can see that this certainly is fair!?
Are you kidding me? Do they not read their own copy?
I have so little respect for institutions that don't look in the mirror before they leave the house.
This is like watching the New England Patriots playing fooball and knowing that, not only they are taping the othe team, but that the commissner will distroy any tapes that they have to protect them.
This would be funny if it wren't so sad, and so important to the coutry'd future.
What a political system we have created, when the press has more power the candidates.

Posted by: bake201 | March 15, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

1. Today's Chicago Tribune, having interviewed Obama for 90 minutes on the Rezko tempest-in-a-teapot, declares itself satisfied:

"We fully expect the Clinton campaign, given its current desperation, to do whatever it must in order to keep the Rezko tin can tied to Obama's bumper. When we endorsed Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination Jan. 27, we said we had formed our opinions of him during 12 years of scrutiny. We concluded that the professional judgment and personal decency with which he has managed himself and his ambition distinguish him.

"Nothing Obama said in our editorial board room Friday diminishes that verdict."

2. Again, it's either incompetence or dishonesty (or some combination) that allows Perry Bacon, Jr., and other WaPo writers claim that Clinton "won" Texas.

Posted by: vartan1 | March 15, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Wha... What about all the good things Hillary has done?

Posted by: filoporquequilo | March 15, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters always attack anyone who points out how big a fraud their tin god Barry Obama is by saying "take your meds"

They've got it backwards, as usual.

Obama and his groupies are the ones that are on drugs.

The people who see through Obama's are stone cold sober.

That's why we see him for the fraud he is.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

SV Reader -- here is evidence that your mental health is deteriorating -- read your own posts from just 45 days ago...

svreader wrote:
The current situation with Clinton and Obama is a critical test of Obama's ability to turn his claims of "changing the tone" and bi-partisanship into reality.

The first group we need to unify is the Democratic Party.

The only way to do that is Clinton/Obama.

Will Obama and his supporters be willing to "put their money where their mouth is"
by supporting the Clinton/Obama ticket and voting for Hillary on Tuesday?

That's the real test.
2/3/2008 1:45:55 PM

svreader wrote:
We Democrats can win in November and take back America for the middle-class, but only if both Clinton and Obama supporters work together. Its simple mathematics. Clinton and Obama supporters each represent approximately half of the Democratic Party. We can't win by half of us losing.

We can only win if we all pull together.

That means Clinton/Obama.

When you vote for Clinton you're voting for the entire team.

Vote for Hillary Clinton!!!

Clinton/Obama '08!!!
2/3/2008 1:37:37 PM

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | March 15, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse


hillary will do and say ANYTHING to get the power of the presidency.

is a candidate who LIES while running for the white house who you want to win?

i've been LIED to enough by GEORGE BUSH.. i don't want to be lied to anymore.

no thank you hillary. take that big lying mouth of yours and your sleazy husband that can't seem to keep his zipper up and TAKE A HIKE.

Posted by: presGWBfanclub | March 15, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

rat -the

ARE YOU AWARE THAT YOU NEED YOUR MEDS???

Posted by: djwinfield | March 15, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Several members of the Clinton Administration have spoken out in the media validating Hillary Clinton's claim that she has passed "the Commander- in-Chief test" is supported by her record.

There is no doubt that Hillary Clinton played an important domestic policy role when she was First Lady. It is well known, for example, that she led the FIRST effort to pass universal health insurance. There is EVERY reason to believe, that she was a key player in foreign policy during the Clinton Administration. She WENT TO IRELAND TO ENCOURGAE WOMEN TO GET INVOLVED IN THE PEACE PROCESS. There is evidence that she participated in the decision making that occurred in connection with SEVERAL crisis. As far as the record shows Senator Clinton never CLAIMED TO HAVE answered the phone either to make a decision on any pressing national security issue - not at 3 AM or at any other time of day. THE SHOLE POINT OF THE AD WAS TO POSE THE QUESTION OF WHO IS BETTER QUALIFIED TO ANSWER AT 3AM!!

When asked to describe her experience, Senator Clinton has cited a handful of international incidents where she says she played a central role. ANY IGNORANT OBAMA SUPPORTER would conclude that Senator Clinton's claims of foreign policy experience are exaggerated.


Northern Ireland:

Senator Clinton has said, "I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland." It is a gross overstatement of the facts for her to claim even partial credit for bringing peace to Northern Ireland. She did travel to Northern Ireland, it is true. First Ladies often travel to places that are a focus of U.S. foreign policy. But at no time did she play any role in the critical negotiations that ultimately produced the peace. As the Associated Press recently reported, "[S]he was not directly involved in negotiating the Good Friday peace accord." With regard to her main claim that she helped bring women together, she did participate in a meeting with women, but, according to those who know best, she did not play a pivotal role. The person in charge of the negotiations, former Senator George Mitchell, said that "[The First Lady] was one of many people who participated in encouraging women to get involved, not the only one."

News of Senator Clinton's claims has raised eyebrows across the ocean. Her reference to an important meeting at the Belfast town hall was debunked. Her only appearance at the Belfast City Hall was to see Christmas lights turned on. She also attended a 50-minute meeting which, according to the Belfast Daily Telegraph's report at the time, "[was] a little bit stilted, a little prepared at times." Brian Feeney, an Irish author and former politician, sums it up: "The road to peace was carefully documented, and she wasn't on it."


Bosnia:

Senator Clinton has pointed to a March 1996 trip to Bosnia as proof that her foreign travel involved a life-risking mission into a war zone. She has described dodging sniper fire. While she did travel to Bosnia in March 1996, the visit was not a high-stakes mission to a war zone. On March 26, 1996, the New York Times reported that "Hillary Rodham Clinton charmed American troops at a U.S.O. show here, but it didn't hurt that the singer Sheryl Crow and the comedian Sinbad were also on the stage."


Kosovo:

Senator Clinton has said, "I negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo." It is true that, as First Lady, she traveled to Macedonia and visited a Kosovar refugee camp. It is also true that she met with government officials while she was there. First Ladies frequently meet with government officials. Her claim to have "negotiated open borders to let fleeing refugees into safety from Kosovo," however, is not true. Her trip to Macedonia took place on May 14, 1999. The borders were opened the day before, on May 13, 1999.

The negotiations that led to the opening of the borders were accomplished by the people who ordinarily conduct negotiations with foreign governments - U.S. diplomats. President Clinton's top envoy to the Balkans, former Ambassador Robert Gelbard, said, "I cannot recall any involvement by Senator Clinton in this issue." Ivo Daalder worked on the Clinton Administration's National Security Council and wrote a definitive history of the Kosovo conflict. He recalls that "she had absolutely no role in the dirty work of negotiations."


Rwanda:

Last year, former President Clinton asserted that his wife pressed him to intervene with U.S. troops to stop the Rwandan genocide. When asked about this assertion, Hillary Clinton said it was true. There is no evidence, however, to suggest that this ever happened. Even those individuals who were advocating a much more robust U.S. effort to stop the genocide did not argue for the use of U.S. troops. No one recalls hearing that Hillary Clinton had any interest in this course of action. Based on a fair and thorough review of National Security Council deliberations during those tragic months, there is no evidence to suggest that U.S. military intervention was ever discussed. Prudence Bushnell, the Assistant Secretary of State with responsibility for Africa, has recalled that there was no consideration of U.S. military intervention.

At no time prior to her campaign for the presidency did Senator Clinton ever make the claim that she supported intervening militarily to stop the Rwandan genocide. It is noteworthy that she failed to mention this anecdote - urging President Clinton to intervene militarily in Rwanda - in her memoirs. President Clinton makes no mention of such a conversation with his wife in his memoirs. And Madeline Albright, who was Ambassador to the United Nations at the time, makes no mention of any such event in her memoirs.

Hillary Clinton did visit Rwanda in March 1998 and, during that visit, her husband apologized for America's failure to do more to prevent the genocide.


China

Senator Clinton also points to a speech that she delivered in Beijing in 1995 as proof of her ability to answer a 3 AM crisis phone call. It is strange that Senator Clinton would base her own foreign policy experience on a speech that she gave over a decade ago, since she so frequently belittles Barack Obama's speeches opposing the Iraq War six years ago. Let there be no doubt: she gave a good speech in Beijing, and she stood up for women's rights. But Senator Obama's opposition to the War in Iraq in 2002 is relevant to the question of whether he, as Commander-in-Chief, will make wise judgments about the use of military force. Senator Clinton's speech in Beijing is not.

Senator Obama's speech opposing the war in Iraq shows independence and courage as well as good judgment. In the speech that Senator Clinton says does not qualify him to be Commander in Chief, Obama criticized what he called "a rash war . . . a war based not on reason, but on passion, not on principle, but on politics." In that speech, he said prophetically: "[E]ven a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences." He predicted that a U.S. invasion of Iraq would "fan the flames of the Middle East," and "strengthen the recruitment arm of al Qaeda." He urged the United States first to "finish the fight with Bin Laden and al Qaeda."

If the U.S. government had followed Barack Obama's advice in 2002, we would have avoided one of the greatest foreign policy catastrophes in our nation's history. Some of the most "experienced" men in national security affairs - Vice President Cheney and Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and others - led this nation into that catastrophe. That lesson should teach us something about the value of judgment over experience. Longevity in Washington, D.C. does not guarantee either wisdom of judgment.


Conclusion:

The Clinton campaign's argument is nothing more than mere assertion, dramatized in a scary television commercial with a telephone ringing in the middle of the night. There is no support for or substance in the claim that Senator Clinton has passed "the Commander-in-Chief test." That claim - as the TV ad - consists of nothing more than making the assertion, repeating it frequently to the voters and hoping that they will believe it.

On the most critical foreign policy judgment of our generation - the War in Iraq - Senator Clinton voted in support of a resolution entitled "The Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of U.S. Military Force Against Iraq." As she cast that vote, she said: "This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction." In this campaign, Senator Clinton has argued - remarkably - that she wasn't actually voting for war, she was voting for diplomacy. That claim is no more credible than her other claims of foreign policy experience. The real tragedy is that we are still living with the terrible consequences of her misjudgment. The Bush Administration continues to cite that resolution as its authorization - like a blank check - to fight on with no end in sight.

Barack Obama has a very simple case. On the most important commander in chief test of our generation, HE GOT LUCKY, HE WAS NOT EVEN THERE TO VOTE. In truth, Senator Obama has foreign policy experience AS A CHILD LIVING IN INDONESIA, much more than Ronald Reagan had when he was elected. Senator Obama has NOT worked to confront 21st century challenges like proliferation and genocide on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He DOES NOT possess the personal attributes of a great leader - He has the appearance of a drug induced even temperament, willingness to STEAL OTHER PEOPLE'S WORDS AND IDEAS, the ability to give an inspiring speech written by someone else, lack of conviction and courage.

And Barack Obama uses false charges, personnal attacks and exaggerated claims to play politics with national security.

Barack Obama has a very simple case. On the most important commander in chief test of our generation, HE GOT LUCKY, HE WAS NOT EVEN THERE TO VOTE. In truth, Senator Obama has foreign policy experience AS A CHILD LIVING IN INDONESIA, much more than Ronald Reagan had when he was elected. Senator Obama has NOT worked to confront 21st century challenges like proliferation and genocide on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He DOES NOT possess the personal attributes of a great leader - He has the appearance of a drug induced even temperament, willingness to STEAL OTHER PEOPLE'S WORDS AND IDEAS, the ability to give an inspiring speech written by someone else, lack of conviction and courage.

And Barack Obama uses false charges, personnal attacks and exaggerated claims to play politics with national security.

Posted by: starbuck1 | March 15, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I was a "Townie".

Graduated Hawaii Loa-now Hawaii Pacific U., at Kamehameha/ Pali Hwy.'s in Kaneohe.

AKA-Prawndog! ;~)

Howzit!

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

svreader if God do not have a religion why do people worship??? Did you take your meds today???

Posted by: djwinfield | March 15, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama Supporters --

Don't worry about who won Texas.

Now that the truth is out about Obama, he'll lose every primary from now on by a landslide.

Barry Obama will never be elected to any office, anywhere in America, ever again.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Perry Bacon,

Clinton did NOT win Texas. Obama won Texas. Why do you continue with this lie?

If you say that we don't know for certain who won Texas, then don't say Clinton won as you wait for the certified results. It's still a lie.

Your opinion of our caucus is irrelevant. It is the system with which the candidates and we had to work, and it, combined with the primary, is how our delegates are allocated. Obama is the projected winner, based on the delegates awarded. Obama won Texas.

Posted by: kurtrk | March 15, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Uhhh, michaelfairbanks-

Are you aware that Texas is a RED State?

Oh G'D@mn it! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

rat-the

Unlike the rest of these sock puppets and trolls, you make me laugh.

Say, here is a wild guess, do live near Makaha?

Posted by: shrink2 | March 15, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has a short memory. She seems to have forgotten the six years she spent at Wal-Mart fighting the employees who were trying to organize a union; the time she spent as a "Goldwater Girl; the time she spent on the White Water land deal, the Travelgate deal, the time she spent trying to spy on her cheating husband. I mean, do you really want an ex-con like BILL CLINTON back in the White House. It took a long time to get the stench out; we don't need to go through that again.

Posted by: rhbate | March 15, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"After Clintons wins in Texas and Ohio last week"


Another example of crappy journalism.

When all the delegates were added up from the primaries AND caucuses in Texas (Texas two-step), OBAMA WON TEXAS.

The MSM, a corporate entity (including the Post) is backing Hillary, the Republican-lite candidate (or as a friend said, the Republican Undercover Candidate).

Posted by: michaelfairbanks | March 15, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

If Obama wins the delegates and Hillary gets the nomination, I will vote Republican for the rest of my life - and I have not voted for one yet - and I am 56.

Posted by: jennifermcbride | March 15, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Why does the WaPo keep saying that Clinton "won" Texas?

And why does the WaPo keep giving her a free pass on her secrecy and silly and lame excuses about her and her husband's taxes?

Posted by: vartan1 | March 15, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Barry Obama doesn't have any religion.

He thinks he's God himself.

So do the members of his cult.

That's why neither he nor his supporters should ever be elected to anything.

Otherwise, we'll all wind up like the people who froze to death in Obama's slums in Chicago!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Barry Obama doesn't have any religion.

He thinks he's God himself.

So do the members of his cult.

That's why neither he nor his supporters should ever be elected to anything.

Otherwise, we'll all wind up like the people who froze to death in Obama's slums in Chicago!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh dahhh svreader is not calling Senator OBama a muslim wowwww Senator Obama has moved up!!!!!

Posted by: djwinfield | March 15, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

The best news is that the public is starting to wake up.

More and more Americans have seen the news reports and articles about Obama's slums.

More and more Americans are learning about Obama's racist church and spiritual advisor.

More and more Americans are standing up to attempts by Obama cult members to silence them.

The sooner Barry Obama is thrown into Jail for what he did in Chicago, the better for all Americans.

Obama's cult of personality is as anti-American as anything can be.

Obama's the worst thing to happen to US politics since Joseph McCarthy.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Shrink2-But, we are talking about the NEW, IMPROVED, HIND-SIGHT ENABLED CLINTONS!

You get 2, TWO for the ridiculously low price of ONE, Clintons!

Twice the Pardoning Power than Before! ;~)

Twice the Amnesty!(or is it Amnesia?)

Seriously though;

RAT/ Chelsea 2012! :-)

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Starbuck1 wrote
This is an inaccurate article and does not provide all of the facts. Hillary was specifically involved in getting the Irish women into the peace initiative. In that respect, she was very instrumental in providing support for the Irish peace process. She never said she was in the talks themselves or signed any peace
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Yeah just like I support O Bama but it doesn't mean I can take credit for running his campaign!!

Posted by: djwinfield | March 15, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

The cult of Obama calls anyone who does not worship their "god" racist.

Obama cultists are real racists.

They make personal attacks on anyone who doesn't worship their cult leader as a way to scare them into silence.

Obama's cult of personality is just like Stalin's or Mao's' and they use the same techniques to suppress dissent so in order to maintain contol of their cult leader's carefully crafted image.

Their tactics have no place in America.

Freedom of speech is the cornerstone of our Democracy.

You make some of the most intelligent and thoughtful posts on these boards.

Keep posting.

The truth needs to be told before its too late.

Barry Obama is like Jim Jones.

He's a dangerous cult leader.

He should be in Jail.

He's bad news.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

I don't buy the 35 years of public experience by Hillary. That is mischaracterization of what she did. However, I would grant that she had 35 years of exposure that would be relevant to being president. She has exposure on the issues that will be pertinent to govern, and this is very important. Her record has been scrutinized at least 18 years, and I must say that she has a very good resume.

Anyway... the news for the week is Obama. First was that Obama funneled taxpayer money to a friend to the tune of $8 million. Not often mentioned was the Obama attempted to funnel $1 million of taxpayer money to his wife. Next was that Obama misled the public about how much Rezko contributed to his campaign. Then, after 20 years of close friendship, Obama is disassociating himself with his racist pastor. That is 20 years and it is not as if the pastor just became racist recently. What happened to the "JUDGMENT TO LEAD"? It is pure rhetoric just like "CHANGING WASHINGTON". Funneling taxpayer money to friends and the wife... it seems to me that in less than 2 years, Obama has become adept in playing the Washington game.

BTW... let's divert our attention to Spitzer. Doesn't Obama remind you of Spitzer? Then these bad news came out... I wonder what else the public does not know about Obama....

Posted by: CPCook | March 15, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

But is Hillary's campaign using the money from Bill's Kazakh uranium deal? Will she say it was a mistake and give it back?

Lets see...Obama's buddy Rezko, an incompetent, small time real estate speculator from Chicago versus and international criminal buying uranium with Bill Clinton's help 5 months ago, who then donates big money to Bill's campaign.

Obama won't do corrupt friends anymore, he knows how to bring money in the right way.

The Cliontons have no other option, corruption is a way of life. Look at their fat cats threatening the DNC, trying to extort delegate concessions.

Soon, we'll have to ask Hillary about her very brief, but awfully profitable career investing in cattle futures. Back in the day of Bill as President, that was not considered "relevant". Well, it is now.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 15, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

gandalf --

Anybody who would call themselves "gandalf" is so full of themselves its not worth spending time trying to reason with them.

The fact that you joined the cult of Obama proves you have no judgement of any kind.

You and the rest of your cult members need professional help and a kick in the rear.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Washington Post please please get rat t and svreader off your blogs forever and ever. These people are racist, hateful and stupid. Let's talk issues and not insults!!!

Posted by: djwinfield | March 15, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

THE CASE OF HILLARY'S EXPERIENCE IS GREATLY OVERSTATED. SHE IS IN FACT A NEWLY ELECTED SECOND TERM SENATOR. NOTHING MORE, THE HEALTH CARE PLAN THAT SHE DID FOR BILL WAS KILLED BY HER ON PARTY THAT SHOULD TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT HER EXPERIENCE.

Posted by: usaII | March 15, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Whilst the number of attacks on civilians has gone down recently, there are many other reasons apart from the extra 27,000 US troops that have caused that. The main one is that the Sunni Arabs of Anbar Province, west of Iraq, are fed up with Al-Qaeda, and they are telling Al-Qaeda that they don't want their tactics of suicide car bombs on Shia civilians and blowing up mosques. General Petraeus has been intelligent enough, to see that these people are allies, so if the US enemy is Al-Qaeda, it's also the enemy of the Sunni Arabs. Now they're working together.

It's also become harder to kill people. The mixed neighborhoods of Baghdad, where Sunni and Shia used to live side-by-side without ever worrying or even knowing what sect their neighbor was, have all broken down, because minority Shia living in a Sunni area, have now moved out, and vice versa. There's a kind of sectarian relocation that's gone on that makes it harder for death squads to come in and kill people, because local vigilante groups are protecting them.

The Iraqi people were very, very torn about whether they wanted this invasion. This issue of "is it a liberation? is it an occupation?" is dominant. After the Saddam statue was toppled and having got rid of Saddam, they were already asking why the Americans were staying on, why didn't they go? Naturally, there's patriotic resentment, that anybody would have if they saw tanks in their streets from a foreign country and this turned into armed resistance. This would happen in the US if it was invaded too.

There has to be a timetable for withdrawal and that would change the entire political dynamic in Iraq. Once Iraqis realized that the Americans are on the way out, they would be able to concentrate on their own issues. Al-Qaeda is at a disadvantage now, because the Sunni Arabs don't like them. Once the Americans are known to be leaving and there's evidence that it's not a trick--they really are beginning to pull out--Al-Qaeda's so-called rationale for being in Iraq completely falls away.

Iraqi people are living much more uncertain lives now. More people have been killed on an annual basis during these last five years than under the thirty years of Saddam. Bush, who says the great thing is we toppled Saddam (which was a good thing) has actually increased the rate of killing for Iraqis than Saddam was doing.

Posted by: francinelast | March 15, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

SV reader -

The only con-man in these posts is YOU!

You've posted 1000's of angry rants in this paper for months about everything you can imagine and fictionalize. You have nothing new or specific - just amoral and immoral generalized blather about cults and such.

Over 13,000,000 people in this country have already voter FOR Obama --and you are calling them cultists. How silly.

You need to get some mental health assistance.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | March 15, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama does have one additional area of experience.

Obama also has lots of experience buying, selling, and using hard-drugs.

That's a great message to send to our kids, isn't it?

"Snort this, kid."

"Trust me, It'll make you president some day!!!"

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

hilary
You can not count the time you spent in bed with a Governor and a President as
political experience. The experience you hype is just a lot road dressing, or
(horse -hit). WE all know if you try to tell a lie over and over you will get caught in the end. OH. Do your self a favor. Stop that fake smile. It is getting sickening.

Posted by: pete7519 | March 15, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

hilary
You can not count the time you spent in bed with a Governor and a President as
political experience. The experience you hype is just a lot road dressing, or
(horse -hit). WE all know if you try to tell a lie over and over you will get caught in the end. OH. Do your self a favor. Stop that fake smile. It is getting sickening.

Posted by: pete7519 | March 15, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

This is an inaccurate article and does not provide all of the facts. Hillary was specifically involved in getting the Irish women into the peace initiative. In that respect, she was very instrumental in providing support for the Irish peace process. She never said she was in the talks themselves or signed any peace policy.

Posted by: starbuck1 | March 15, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama has lots of experience being a hustler, con-man, and master manipulator.

He doesn't know squat about anything but how to manipulate people.

Barry Obama is like Jim Jones.

He's a dangerous cult leader.

Just like Jim Jones.

He's a con-man.

Nothing more.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I had a friend, who I trust very much, who once saw Obama walk on water. Again, I trust my friend. In any case, I saw with my own eyes Obama cure people of leprosy, AIDs in Africa, and heck, he even cured himself of all the ill effects of smoking tobacco and any thing else all those years.

If Obama's pastor said mean things about those non-African American monsters, it must be because those are monsters. No reason to fault Obama on that, even if Obama went to listen to that man's sermons for 20+ years.

ANd why are the Hillary CLinton supporters dumping on Obama? We all know HRC is a secret agent for Osama (not to be confused with Obama), has poisoned children's lunches, and worked steadfastly to take away senior's medications. She also killed Foster wth her own hands, was in the same room when Bill was doing naughty things to Monica, and we all know Chelsea is not even her own daughter.

If Michelle Obama said she is not proud of AMerica, so what - only when the US elects Obama to be its President do AMericans have anything to be proud of - till then, we all need to bow our heads in shame.

Posted by: intcamd1 | March 15, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Stop worring about McCain.

Even though his joke about Janet Reno being Chelsea's mom was funny at the time, he is nuts. Declaring Autism likely to be caused by immunizations, for example.

That was considered possible a decade ago. But long after mercury/thimerosal was removed from immunizations, autism rates continued to climb. The data are all in. There is no controversy. Not even the desperate parents of autistic kids buy McCain's opinion/pandering.

McCain and rat-the are a perfect match, dopey and funny in an ugly way (Chelsea looks more like her Dad than Janet Reno, by the way), but not exactly leadership material.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 15, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

By the way, the sub-heading to the story on the front page states: "Senator REFUTES criticism she overstated her role in successes of her husband's tenure."

REFUTES means to prove something to be erroneous or false. She did no such thing; she simply offered a contrasting opinion.

For god's sake . . . this is a newspaper. You should, at a minimum, be able to correctly use words.

Posted by: jeff.cronin | March 15, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

like it or not, being a church first lady to your hubby as pastor, even for 30 years, does not qualify one to be the pastor. probably explains why when pastors die or leave, their first lady spouse isn't thought of as the next pastor.

like it or not, being the wife of a pilot doesn't make one qualified to be a pilot.
i can go on with many other examples.

thus, her EXPERIENCE, is limited just as obama's and mccain's.

Posted by: kedavis | March 15, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Interesting that a member of Barack Obama's staff has to denigrate the service of Hillary Clinton instead of offering voters the details on what Barack Obama did to help bring about peace to Northern Ireland.

Maybe the media should find out what Obama defines as HIS experience in foreign affairs, instead of simply allowing the Obama campaign to be disrespectful and dismissive of other people.

Posted by: freespeak | March 15, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

LOL! I must have gained foresight! :-)

I can already see to the Year 2010. Libbies crying on these very pages about how Iran was better off before Iran shed their Theocracy and became a Major Player in the World economy, challenging the US like it does!

And how it was all McCain's Fault! How did we ever elect McCain?

And ME, having to point out that it was because just like the Lurch debacle put Bushie Back in, O'Billary guaranteed McCain would win!

Of course, McCain getting the Brilliant Mitt Romney on board really helped a great deal too! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

This article is yet another attempt by the "in the tank for Obama" washington post to take the focus off of Obama's latest fiasco.

The pro-Obama, anti-Clinton bias of the Washington Post does nobody any favors.

The Republicans have so much dirt on Obama it would clog all the Vacuum cleaners ever made since the dawn of time.

Even Dyson himself couldn't swallow all of Obama's dirt.

Barry Obama doesn't have even a single quark of morallity, and never has.

He doesn't care about anybody but himself and never has.

The sooner he drops out of Politics, the better for America.

The guy's a world-class jerk, and always has been.

Just look at what he did in Chicago.

As far as Barry's concerned, he's the only person that matters on the planet.

He's a world-class con-man, nothing more.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

This 1st comment is terrible. It's something. Yeah, well everything is something. Overblown experience is experience? Yeah, bad experience. Hilliary will do and say anything to get ELECTED, not govern, not lead, not do the right thing because it's the right thing. She's all about getting what SHE wants, not what America needs. Obama '08!

Posted by: elvis313 | March 15, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

None, gene9, she is not meant to be elected, her presence in this campaign should guarantee the election of McCain; and, again, it should guarantee war(s).
the very disgusting story, is it not?

Posted by: aepelbaum | March 15, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Hillary is the Exaggerator in Chief. Shouldn't her record be examined carefully. The Republicans sure will. Remember how Gore got hounded for being an exaggerator? That helped to cost him the election. And don't forget how she defended Bill Clinton about his affair with Gennifer Flowers in the 1992 campaign. If Obama is getting criticized for not knowing what his Pastor said, then why shouldn't Hillary who stayed with Bill even after he lied under oath and was caught abusing his power with an intern? I say stop the double standard. And by the way, what about Cindy McCain stealing prescription medication from her own charity when she was addicted in the 90's? Why was she never prosecuted for that? It goes on and on. I say it is relevant whether Hillary is exaggerating her claims to experience, because of that all important threshold she has talked about. As to Cindy and Bill and Pastor Wright... I say that it is more important what the candidates themselves do than what their wives, husbands or pastors do. So lets really look at Hillary's record and get it straight.

Posted by: goldie2 | March 15, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse


You know, I recall hearing all sorts of things when Bill Clinton was President - about Hillary and how she wasn't elected but had influence and was always at WORK behind the scenes. That's because there was TRUTH to that. I always felt pretty good about getting two brilliant people for the price of one.

We all KNOW Hillary and her incredible intelligence were a strong influence with her husband. Certainly she was proud of America and saluted the flag all over the world. She was an emmisary of peace and influenced the world during those years. Her entiere LIFE has been one of helping and improving other peoples lives every day of her life.

In stark contrast -

WOW. If you're not useful to Obama - he hits that big old EJECT BUTTON without missing a beat! He takes responsibility for NOTHING.

What should be "controversial" is the ease with which Obama OUSTS anyone who isn't convenient to him today but used to be valuable to him yesterday.

A few months ago he referred to Pastor Wright as his "spiritual adviser". Now he's a crazy "old uncle". Nice. Convenient. 20 years he never heard anything like this? Right. And I know a great bridge in Brooklyn you'd all just love to buy.

Mr. Rezko? When he met with reporters did he discuss the eleven unheated buildings in Obama's Chicago district that were condemned while Rezko received 100 million dollars in taxpayer money to renovate them? Was he concerned that nothing was done IN HIS DISTRICT with that kind of money? That it didn't arrive back to the benefit of his district? He says he didn't know, and isn't "involved"? Well - HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN and HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED. If that kind of money is supposed to be improving those buildings and peoples lives in your district and your constituents are freezing and living in squalor - I guess IT'S YOUR JOB TO KNOW about it. Unless someone is funding your campaigns with that money and that money makes you conveniently turn your head the other way. He was a lazy do nothing. That's how come he thinks all things are supposed to come easy now. Mr. Obama has been helped along his whole life. Now it's the DC White Haired Trolls boys club helping him. Dashel, Kerry, Dodd - who all voted the same as Hillary on the war vote.

Mr. Obama's relationship with Mr. Rezko - his campaign bank roller - was more important - more VALUABLE - to him than his constituents. Plain as day.

Here is the video from Chicago TV report: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related


And just imagine what he's going to owe big contributors after this gig he's running now is over. Wow.

Answers from Mr. Obama are NOT answers we can "BELIEVE" in.

From Mr. Obama: Answers = Excuses and spiritual advisers and SENIOR foreign policy advisers are disposable. All long time friends and supporters - so what? Obama takes no responsibility - just hits that big old easy eject button and keeps walkin.

Now watch out - here comes his white mom and grandparents from the cedar chest for PA, FL and Michigan. He's had them tucked away for SC and Mississippi. But now they'll come in REAL useful. He's shameless. Such ego.

GERALDINE!!! Didn't you know the only one in this picture who can use race is Mr. Obama!? Now didn't anyone TELL yo that? You don't have a race - only black people have a race card. They can use it to make you feel bad about something you had nothing to do with. They will never give up that card. So you may as well give up any guilt you might have - it isn't yours. You're forgiven Geraldine. Don't be hoodwinked.

Mr. Obama uses EVERYONE. His life and accomplishments don't hold a birthday candle to Martin Luther Kings. He just Xeroxed the man's words and speeches. His life doesn't come close.

Posted by: Thinker | March 15, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

You are right, kevinlarmee, and all reired generals endorsed Obama, clearly indicating that USA can't successfully finished the current wars, not mentioning to undertake another war with Iran. And both-Clinton and McCain -are war mongers. USA already lost its place of the first world's economy, so what is next? And this climate's changing, green gases, etc., etc., etc..

Posted by: aepelbaum | March 15, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has experience planning menus for White House dinners, travelling as a coddled tourist to a flock of countries on her husband's coattail, and dealing with an unfaithful spouse. Now which of these qualifies her to be President of the USA?

Posted by: gene9 | March 15, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

kevinlarmee-LOL!

Obama WHO?

Are you talking about that Racist America Hater who meteored out of the Contest?

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Let's see!!!

Obama was a prophet becasue he opposed the war in from of his core constituency (coming from bluest of blue states). Obama had no idea how new yorkers felt. Case in poin is his pastor's statement blaming everything on US policy rather than the murderous islamists.

But his judgement was superb. Just a speech to 200 people but all actions were opposite afterwards. Including the statement from his foreign policy adviser, who advised not to take his words seriously. people take off your blind fold. I hope God or someone else in his place will help you.

Posted by: VoterfromIL | March 15, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

We'd all like to know why Bill Clinton's wife thinks it is ok to take credit for what he has done. So why didn't she go with him to Kazakhstan to help an international criminal negotiate his first big uranium deal?

She sure got a huge contribution from Giustra. Oh wait, Bill did, sorry.

www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html

Well isn't that nice. Thanks Bill and Hillary. I am sure all that uranium will only be used for medical isotopes and reactors for the poor. Kazakhstan? You kidding me?!

If Hillary had half a brain she would have rejected and condemned her husband a long time ago. Imagine, taking credit for what Bill has done. Kind of boggles the mind.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 15, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

The basic premise of the Clinton campaign is that she has experience. If her time as first lady counts as experience, then Laura Bush should be more qualified as the Republican nominee than John McCain.

The only policy-making experience she can rightly claim as her own is as a Senator, and the work delegated to her by her husband on the failed health care plan, where she couldn't even unite Democrats, much less Republicans.

Clinton's experience is considerably lacking when compared to Obama, who worked for years as a community organizer, constitutional law professor and state senator before becoming a U.S. Senator.

And if Clinton's only talking point is experience in Washington, how can she expect to win against John McCain, who has a much longer record of experience in Washington?

Posted by: kmcnyasha | March 15, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

CNN - Former Clinton State Department official Greg Craig continued to take aim at Hillary Clinton's foreign policy claims Friday, telling the National Journal that the former first lady has "grossly exaggerated the nature of her experience."

"If you're running for president on the basis of your claims of experience, when you then cite examples, you should be careful to be accurate," Craig said. "The evidence should be accurate. And my point is that Senator Clinton and her supporters have in serious ways overstated, if not grossly exaggerated, the nature of her experience."

"I think she is misleading the American public on the nature of her experience," he also said.Craig, a supporter of Barack Obama, was the director of policy planning at the State Department under former President Clinton.

He was a top adviser to former Secretary of State Madeline Albright and served as counsel to former President Clinton during the impeachment hearings.

Posted by: joy2 | March 15, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

WHO'S POSTING ANTI-OBAMA SMEARS?

you may think that it's just a couple of "loonies"....but it's not.

It's an organized campaign.

And it's the same people who campaigned for the war in Iraq (and now Iran)

(their methods, smears; their signature is unmistakable)

It's not a couple of "loonies", instead it's an organized campaign

and the purpose is not (just) to promote Hillary, or McCain...

(either of whom would be fine for them)

The real purpose is to promote WAR

Posted by: kevinlarmee | March 15, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Her experience claim is seriously overblown. It's about time she got called on it (ironic, since she's been claiming media bias!). And we'll see if she ever releases her tax records, (ironic again, since she claims to be vetted).

Hillary still has a lot to hide, and more scandals along the way...

Posted by: k_hamsun | March 15, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's recent claims to the invalid results of the Michigan primary show what kind of person she is. Dishonest.

Posted by: jjacobs_msn | March 15, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

It is still experience and that says something. It also appears people on the Internet are looking more into Hillary as of late as well;

Clinton vs. Obama:
The Google Factor...

http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=57

Now, does Hillary drink beer?

Posted by: davidmwe | March 15, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

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