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Clinton Weighs in on Wright Controversy


Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) speaks prior to holding a discussion on the economy, Tuesday, March 25, 2008, during a campaign stop at the University of Pittsburgh in Greensburg, Pa. (AP.)

By Anne E. Kornblut
Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, speaking for the first time directly about the association between the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Sen. Barack Obama, said "getting up and moving" would have been the right response to hearing the preacher's fiery sermons.

Wright "would not have been my pastor," Clinton said during an interview with the conservative editorial board of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, whose endorsement she is seeking. "You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend," she said. Obama refused to disavow Wright even as he said he disagreed with some of his sermons.

Clinton had declined for many days to talk about the Wright controversy, which escalated to such an extent that Obama delivered an address on race in Philadelphia last week. Her advisers, during a conference call on the state of the Democratic race, declined on Tuesday to fan the flames. But Clinton, speaking in Pittsburgh, cited her earlier condemnation of radio host Don Imus, after he insulted the Rutgers' women's basketball team, as an example of how Obama should have reacted to his pastor's words.

"You know, I spoke out against Don Imus, saying that hate speech was unacceptable in any setting, and I believe that," the paper quoted Clinton as saying. "I think you have to speak out against that. You certainly have to do that, if not explicitly, then implicitly by getting up and moving."

Bill Burton, an Obama spokesman, issued a response: "After originally refusing to play politics with this issue, it's disappointing to see Hillary Clinton's campaign sink to this low in a transparent effort to distract attention away from the story she made up about dodging sniper fire in Bosnia. The truth is, Barack Obama has already spoken out against his pastor's offensive comments and addressed the issue of race in America with a deeply personal and uncommonly honest speech. The American people deserve better than tired political games that do nothing to solve the larger challenges facing this country."

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Let me straighten somethings out. An Organizer is one who bring people together. The Reverend Wright's "Church Congregation" increase from several hundred to several thousands. It got to the point where some of Wright Sermons were outdated. In the 80's the Congregational loved to hear his Sermon "The White man created the Aid virus to combat the black man", because Racial rejudice were higher then. Today in the 21 century the average black person knows that's not so. Today only a few of the Wright Sermons are effective, but he still is popular.

Jim Jones of Guyana ( The Johnnston Massacre was an Organizer), because of his Speeches he was able to have 408 people to commit mass suicide.

Barack Obama is an Organizer who follow him or read his books are Brainwashed also.

Here are the Facts. Obama has no Resume, he has only one Accomplishment. His accomplishment came after the Republican Governor of Illinois ( Ryan) Banned the Death Penalty for 156 death row inmates, after he was elected to apply the death penalty. Later under a Democratic Governor in 2003 Obama passed his Legislature under the new Democratic Governor Rod Blagojevich about utilizing cameras in interrogation rooms. Obama was not the Savior of the 156 inmates, the Republic Governor Ryan was.

Obama first published his Book " Dreams from My Father in 1995. Tha tbook had two pictures on it. Supposely his African sister (who he was close to) and himself.

In 2004 Obama Republished "Dreams from my Father". This time for political gain ,he put three Photos on the Cover and Deleted 51 pages of "ERRORS".
This was the beginning of Obama Case to present himself as a Military Vet and to run for the Presidency... Acording to Obama in one of the Debate he first started to run for the Presidency about 1.5 years back. This is a LIE. According to the date of publication Obama's "RUN" for the white house began more than 3 years ago. In Obama Book " The AUDACITY of HOPE he uses military phrases numerous times trying to brainwash people that he was a Soldier.

In Conclusion,Obama need to watch out for the IRS, if he didnot include in his 2007 Income for the First of a $1.9 million dollar 3 book deal " The AUDACITY of HOPE,then he may be Organizing behind bars.

According to his book " The Audacity of Hope" there are two many Lawyers and not enough Engneers. Well Barry I am one of those Engineer.

I am a problem solver and also believe in Solutions. I am a SUPER-SUPER DELEGATE I am supporting HILLARY for President.

Posted by: ecbmtrumpeter | March 31, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for expressing the noetics and ideates of millions of Americans!

Posted by: hlmencken | March 31, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I have commented heretofore regarding the inspired "Catholic Catechism" of motivation of feelings of extreme maudlin and einfuhlung in Senators Casey's endorsement of senator Obama; that is not his to give away, in that he demonstrates no ownership of the American female struggle for freedom for female body independence ! Is Hillary required to abandon her historic female rights presidential campaign to assuage the feelings of a few?

Moreover, senator Kerry's insulting audacity that his advice to Hillary to withdraw is viewed by Hillary supporters as emanating from a miserably failed presidential candidate and is is a bit presumptuous on his part that smacks of perpetuating a male patriarchy American political hegemony that demonstrates typical male puissant! agression There is a world of difference in the political philosophies of extreme liberal Kennedy American democrats and moderate Clinton democrats!

There has always been a rivalry hidden and submerged beneath the public Senate surface! The Kennedyites are the neophilllia self appointed American aristocrats who unquestioningly are latté drinking self proclaimed superior Homo sapiens! These folks exemplify superior education and opportunity offered them since birth and after experiencing the opportunity of being born on third base, politically scamper home occasionally upon our American political stage!Bur invariably inveigle and wheedle a way to arrange an array of econumums to be bestowed upon their egos of greatness!
While the Clintonites are boring American proletariats of typically hard working Americans that mind their own business pay their bills and utilize their natural tribal abilities in choosing a political candidate with the exercise of natural ratiocinations![that is who is the most experienced and qualified? They decide which candidates are disadvantaged by and through the actions of the American press and its corporate controllers!

The last advice needed by democrats this year is strategy and advice from candidates that have failed; including but not limited too Joe Lieberman who is pursuing the folly that American declare war upon Iran in order to preserve and protect Israel! Old Joe better decide if he is an American or a citizen of Israel?

In addition Hillary supporters now fully and completely comprehend the reason that Dick Chaney flipped the "bird" at pat Lahey on the floor of the Senate!"He is an intrusive bumptious bastard" says Dick! Hillary surrogates offer a rejoinder with the added feature "insensitive also"! "He has done nothing or offered anything sensible since he has been here"! He could be replaced by a Republican without political cost to the party!
senescent narcissistic male senators such as Lahey are horribly insensitive an dismissive of female political rights and endeavor to substitute their own personal dreams of ultimate body freedom for females with their own oneiric dream of a black president! [and the doors of heaven will open with choirs of angels singing and all will be right with the world and we will live happyly ever after! but most importantly the Kennedyites will be forgiven]
The antiquated senescent Chris Dodd of Connecticut is nothing and offers nothing to the neophilia America of the 21st century! [hey Obama surrogates I thought change was your byword-Chris is embarrassingly passage?]
Moreover states containing white majorities have a right to chose their candidate and are entitled to as much courtesy and consideration from the American Press as those states containing black majorities with the same kind of news coverage! This is about to occur and the Obama supporters are afraid of the results! Hillary will be the democratic party nominee not because of american racial prejudice but rather because she is more qualified and experienced and will make a better President! The audacity of these white males is insufferable!

Hillary and her surrogates should sacrifice their goal of electing a female Homo sapiens to the American presidency because of an overwhelming feeling of guilt being experienced by leading male catholic politicians-who deny the existence of a hegemony of a dominating male political zeitgeist that has existed since the Mayflower!

LETS SEE HOW THE REMAINDER OF AMERICANS FEEL! PENNSYLVANIA, INDIANA,OREGON, WEST VIRGINA, NORTH CAROLINA PUERTO RICA ! then WE WILL KNOW!

Posted by: hlmencken | March 31, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton's pastor was convicted of child molestation, some writers have observed. If Hillary had spent twenty years listening to her pastor advocate child molestation from the pulpit and then continued to consider him her mentor and almost a member of the family, then the analogy between her pastor and Obama's mentor would work. Otherwise, the analogy is stupid.

Posted by: orray | March 31, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton's pastor has convicted of child molestation. If Hillary had spent twenty years listening to him advocate child molestation from the pulpit and considered him her mentor and almost a member of the family, then the analogy between her pastor and Obama's mentor would work. Otherwise, the analogy is stupid.

Posted by: orray | March 31, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I have been hearing so much about Hillary's awful,vile, unchristian remarks. Would someone please tell me exactly what she has said that is so awful?

Posted by: akaldenberg | March 31, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

What a sad, race driven country we live in. The most segregated hour in america is sunday mornings at 11am. Pastor Wright's comments(3 years ago at that) should not be the driving force behind an attack on Obama. Focus on the economy, war or whatever but it seems that Pastor Wright is right. America is full of hatred and is stooping to its lowest denominator. What is the difference between Strom Thumond, Jesse Helms or Hillary Clinton?? All are white and all have run some of the most vile, un-Christian, un-anything human campaigns in U.S. history.

Posted by: mackmusic78 | March 30, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

What a sad, race driven country we live in. The most segregated hour in america is sunday mornings at 11am. Pastor Wright's comments(3 years ago at that) should not be the driving force behind an attack on Obama. Focus on the economy, war or whatever but it seems that Pastor Wright is right. America is full of hatred and is stooping to its lowest denominator. What is the difference between Strom Thumond, Jesse Helms or Hillary Clinton?? All are white and all have run some of the most vile, un-Christian, un-anything human campaigns in U.S. history.

Posted by: mackmusic78 | March 30, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I wish Hillary Clinton would give a speech on sexism in America. It affects half us us, after all, including all women of color.

A thought experiment, for the men in the crowd. Two new employees join your company. One is a middle-aged White woman; the other is a Black man, younger than her, but not a kid.

Who do you want as your partner on the next project? Who are you going to invite for drinks after work?

Just wondering. Women have it a lot harder than you think, plus we get raped a lot just because we are women. In this day and age I am certain that violent crimes against women because they are women, by men, far exceed violent crimes against Blacks because they are Black, by white people.

Women are afraid to walk outside in the evening; not because they are afraid of being arrested, but because they are afraid of being kidnapped and tortured.

Give a speech, Hillary. This country needs to be reminded that what you have accomplished is extremely impressive for a women of your or any generation. You were not a "looker" in college in the way handsome Barry was, but you busted your way into law firms and boardrooms. I can almost guarantee that a lot of men didn't like having you around. As an accomplished female I know all the phenomena; my comments ignored at faculty meetings, only to be parroted by a male colleague a few minutes later to much praise. "I just said that..."

Hillary, you make many people nervous with your brains and ambition, but your hard work trumps any amount of jaw flapping by BHO.

Posted by: heathertml | March 29, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Corrrection, The Audacity of Hope is on Page 292 of his book Dreams from my Father.

Posted by: ecbmtrumpeter | March 29, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

That's nice to know about Michele, however, we are talking about the Presidency of Barack Obama.

Barack would have made a great president if he would have waited another 4 more years (2012) and let his Resume as Senator speak for him, instead of his Books and Speaches.

First of all, Barack is a Liar. According to page 293 of Dreams of My Father The Reverend Wright Sermons of Sharpville and HIROSHIMA and the Policy making of the white house is the reason he joined the Reverend Wright Church. The Reverend Wright was and still popular both in Chicago and out of the State of Illinois. Wright a great organizer and still is. Both Oprah and Colin Powell were members of the Wright Church but they left. Apparently they must have disagreed with some of the tones of the Wrights Sermons.

According to Barack, the first Sermon that the Reverend Wright preached, when he first attended his church, was "The Audacity of Hope" ( page 293). This is the title of Obama second book ( The Audacity of Hope). Obama cannot and willnot distance himself from the Reverend Wright, he owes a lot to him and the Wright Church. And maybe Wright is as close to him as a brother, because most of his half brothers were raised in Africa and he saw little of them.

Posted by: ecbmtrumpeter | March 29, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

MICHELE OBAMA'S MILITANT RACISM REVEALED
In her senior thesis at Princeton, Michele Obama, the wife of Barack Obama stated that America was a nation founded on "crime and hatred". Moreover, she stated that whites in America were "ineradicably racist". The 1985 thesis, titled "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community" was written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson.

Michelle Obama stated in her thesis that to "Whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, she will always be Black first..." However, it was reported by a fellow black classmate, "If those "Whites at Princeton" really saw Michelle as one who always would "be Black first," it seems that she gave them that impression".

Most alarming is Michele Obama's use of the terms "separationist" and "integrationist" when describing the views of black people.

Mrs. Obama clearly identifies herself with a "separationist" view of race.

"By actually working with the Black lower class or within their communities as a result of their ideologies, a separationist may better understand the desperation of their situation and feel more hopeless about a resolution as opposed to an integrationist who is ignorant to their plight."

Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her "further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant."

Michele Obama clearly has a chip on her shoulder.

Not only does she see separate black and white societies in America, but she elevates black over white in her world.

Posted by: ladya2004 | March 28, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ladya2004 | March 28, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

How can Obama unify a country when he has allegiance to a 'hate" preacher

God damn America!! ???that does not sound like an inspiration to unify America.

How can we believe that Obama has had this pastor for 20 years and yet does not know how hateful and divisive his views are??

Posted by: skrish98 | March 28, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton says you "don't choose your family." Actually spouses do choose their family, at least in part. I think Clinton's statement re Obama and Wright is essentially equivalent to Obama saying that Hillary should have left Bill because by standing by him she was ... take your pick: sending the wrong message to young women, setting back women's rights. There are a number of ways to spin it (just see one of the dozens of recent editorials re Mrs. Spitzer).

I think any statement like that, or what Clinton said about Obama (who obviously has a deep personal connection to Wright) is way out of line. And a lot of Democrats will remember in November if she is the nominee.

Posted by: MShake | March 28, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I am glad Hillary is speaking out about Obama's pastor. Most people I speak with feel like I do--how can Obama be really for a GREAT UNIFIED AMERICA after listening to the likes of Wright preach against all whites. It is matter of racism
whether we like it or not and Obama stuck right with Wright until it caused a snag in his campaign. He does not deserve to be President and beside that he is totally unqualified for the job. Wake up Americans

Posted by: hopefultwo | March 28, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I am glad Hillary is speaking out about Obama's pastor. Most people I speak with feel like I do--how can Obama be really for a GREAT UNIFIED AMERICA after listening to the likes of Wright preach against all whites. It is matter of racism
whether we like it or not and Obama stuck right with Wright until it caused a snag in his campaign. He does not deserve to be President and beside that he is totally unqualified for the job. Wake up Americans

Posted by: hopefultwo | March 28, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey Umbria, you're exactly right - those aren't "just words". They are uncomfortable truths about our history. I'm sorry that some of you desperate Clinton fanatics, and your political brethren at RushLimbaugh.com and FauxNews, cannot yet face them. Good luck with the alcoholism. I hope you get through the denial stage eventually.

Posted by: B2O2 | March 28, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Just like she failed to read the NIE before voting to take the country into the worst military blunder since Vietnam, Sen. Clinton has neglected to actually LISTEN to the entire sermons that the FauxNews soundbites came from. This time, however, I guess I can cut her some slack, given that the MEDIA HASN'T EITHER. Not, I'm sure, the pro-Clinton Anne Kornblut.

If you actually GO to youtube, and listen to them, you might learn something entirely surprising that our circulation-starved in-business-to-drum-up-a-story newspapers haven't told you:

1. That the "God D*** America" line that FauxNews and its Clinton-Limbaugh coalition viewers were celebrating so much, came at the end of a sermon that was ENTIRELY about American GOVERNMENTS. American ADMINISTRATIONS, that is, most of which Wright points out have been harmful to African Americans. The corporate media has parroted FauxNews and let millions of white Americans think Wright was dissing them personally, when it was decidedly NOT. THE. CASE.

2. That the "chickens come home to roost" sermon referring to how our foreign policies directly fed into the 9/11 attack, was QUOTING EMBASSADOR PECK, a WHITE embassador who was pointing out the uncomforable truth that our Big Fat Alcoholic American Family still does not want to focus their defensive little consciousness on. Ron Paul, though I don't care for his bare-bones idea of government, was widely demagogued-over at the GOP debates for having the nerve to bring up this very same unfortunate truth. And it's hardly any surprise that our corporate media does not want to approach a subject that they know will be unpopular.

Rev. Wright had it slighly wrong: the most important message here is, "GOD DAMN OUR WORTHLESS AMERICAN MEDIA. SHAME ON THEM. THEY HAVE ZERO PROFESSIONALISM AND OUGHT TO BE PEDDLING FLOWERS AT STOPLIGHTS RATHER THAN SELLING FAKE NEWS LIKE THIS."

Posted by: B2O2 | March 28, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

It comes as no surprise to me that Hillary has moved from the "Kitchen Sink" phase to the "Nuclear Option". She'll definately go down swinging. As she has nothing new to bring to the table, I expect more negativity from here to the convention, interspersed with occasional bouts of trying to appear "presidential".

If she really cared about the party, seems like she could run at least run a clean race, instead of attempting to create doubt about the likely nominee.

Posted by: postfan1 | March 28, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Reading through the other comments leaves me with a couple of impressions. The first is that "hate speech" is fine when it is directed against a woman. It is apparently okay to call a woman a hag, a crone and similar specifically woman-targeting epithets. I am dismayed at the evidence of sexism of the most egregious kind by purported members of the Democratic party.

This is compounded by the fiction we all seem to need to preserve that the First Ladies of this country are and always have been meek little cookie-baking "helpmeets" who are not intimately involved in government and policy. Take an hour and read a little history, people, and disabuse yourself of this ridiculous notion. From Abigail Adams to the current First Lady, you will find strong, smart women forced by the chains of sexism to do their work in the background and the shadows of their husbands. Hillary Clinton is excoriated because she is seeking power. Everyone who runs for president is seeking power, but seeking power is only a bad thing if you are a (shrill, shrieking, grasping) hag and a crone.

Secondly, I am amazed at the vicious remarks about Senator Clinton's personal choice to remain married to her philandering husband, which reduces both her and Bill Clinton - in my opinion a *great* president and, surprise, surprise a flawed human being - to objects of the prurient, judgmental, hypocritical scorn of a whole lot of other flawed human beings. The stance seems to be "go ahead, ruin the economy, plunge the nation into war and recession, make life worse for millions of Americans - as long as you are faithful to your wife!" The only husband whose fidelity I care about is my own - everyone else's is none of my business and completely devoid of interest to me. I want a president who runs the country well and don't give a rat's patooty about their private lives.

It is a good thing that Americans are cognizant of and feel so guilty about their racist past that they are very careful about what they say on the race issue and how they say it. Wrongs have been committed that probably cannot be redressed, but repeating them can be avoided. I only hope that Americans will soon become cognizant of and guilty about their sexist PRESENT and start taking the same tack when it comes to woman-bashing.

Hillary Clinton graduated from Yale Law School when Barack Obama was 12 years old. If it wasn't for the work Senator Clinton and others like her did in the 60s and 70s, Senator Obama would very likely not be in the position he is in today. What a hag, huh?

Posted by: rosemary | March 28, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Regardless of what happens; it is the media that will continue this story for one simple reason: the power elite, money brokers and the silent majority that controls this country are going to do anything and everything to give Hillary Rodham Clinton and Bill Clinton the Democratic nomination.

They will compromise our morals, values and even our faith to manipulate this campaign.

Everything that is happening is a farce. Everything that is being reported is a distraction for the super delegates to broker this campaign from Barack Obama.

It has nothing to do with this Pastor. It has to do with what the power elite, money brokers and media will be able to compromise the vote for one simple reason Hillary Rodham Clinton and Bill Clinton cannot do what the power elite, money brokers need to be done as Senator and a traveling speaker.

They need them to manipulate the very truth of this campaign and deter real change by any means necessary.

The day America realize this is all a game and that even though Barack Obama was obedient to where God had placed him, as long as we can stoop to the lowest level of questioning a man's faith and religion, we must admit, we are in the bowels of the most racist and bias campaign that America has never experienced because Bill and Hillary Clinton must do anything and everything to get back into The White House.

All we should be asking is "Why do they really want to return to The White House? Who needs them to stay in this election campaign?

Look at everything that has happened in the last 20 - 50 years. America is at a crossroad. It desperately needs "real change" in order for it to survive. It will not be able to survive with business as usual; with the same old rhetoric, lies and manipulation. They know it and we know; it must change.

If Bill and Hillary Clinton really care about America, they would humble themselves and realize their time is up. It is not about them.

They may try to sabotage this election campaign with all these racial tactics. But they have forgotten. God is still in control and He sees and knows everything.

Posted by: vgw22 | March 28, 2008 2:57 AM | Report abuse

Regardless of what happens; it is the media that will continue this story for one simple reason: the power elite, money brokers and the silent majority that controls this country are going to do anything and everything to give Hillary Rodham Clinton and Bill Clinton the Democratic nomination.

They will compromise our morals, values and even our faith to manipulate this campaign.

Everything that is happening is a farce. Everything that is being reported is a distraction for the super delegates to broker this campaign from Barack Obama.

It has nothing to do with this Pastor. It has to do with what the power elite, money brokers and media will be able to compromise the vote for one simple reason Hillary Rodham Clinton and Bill Clinton cannot do what the power elite, money brokers need to be done as Senator and a traveling speaker.

They need them to manipulate the very truth of this campaign and deter real change by any means necessary.

The day America realize this is all a game and that even though Barack Obama was obedient to where God had placed him, as long as we can stoop to the lowest level of questioning a man's faith and religion, we must admit, we are in the bowels of the most racist and bias campaign that America has never experienced because Bill and Hillary Clinton must do anything and everything to get back into The White House.

All we should be asking is "Why do they really want to return to The White House? Who needs them to stay in this election campaign?

Look at everything that has happened in the last 20 - 50 years. America is at a crossroad. It desperately needs "real change" in order for it to survive. It will not be able to survive with business as usual; with the same old rhetoric, lies and manipulation. They know it and we know; it must change.

If Bill and Hillary Clinton really care about America, they would humble themselves and realize their time is up. It is not about them.

They may try to sabotage this election campaign with all these racial tactics. But they have forgotten. God is still in control and He sees and knows everything.

Posted by: vgw22 | March 28, 2008 2:57 AM | Report abuse

Regardless of what happens; it is the media that will continue this story for one simple reason: the power elite, money brokers and the silent majority that controls this country are going to do anything and everything to give Hillary Rodham Clinton and Bill Clinton the Democratic nomination.

They will compromise our morals, values and even our faith to manipulate this campaign.

Everything that is happening is a farce. Everything that is being reported is a distraction for the super delegates to broker this campaign from Barack Obama.

It has nothing to do with this Pastor. It has to do with what the power elite, money brokers and media will be able to compromise the vote for one simple reason Hillary Rodham Clinton and Bill Clinton cannot do what the power elite, money brokers need to be done as Senator and a traveling speaker.

They need them to manipulate the very truth of this campaign and deter real change by any means necessary.

The day America realize this is all a game and that even though Barack Obama was obedient to where God had placed him, as long as we can stoop to the lowest level of questioning a man's faith and religion, we must admit, we are in the bowels of the most racist and bias campaign that America has never experienced because Bill and Hillary Clinton must do anything and everything to get back into The White House.

All we should be asking is "Why do they really want to return to The White House? Who needs them to stay in this election campaign?

Look at everything that has happened in the last 20 - 50 years. America is at a crossroad. It desperately needs "real change" in order for it to survive. It will not be able to survive with business as usual; with the same old rhetoric, lies and manipulation. They know it and we know; it must change.

If Bill and Hillary Clinton really care about America, they would humble themselves and realize their time is up. It is not about them.

They may try to sabotage this election campaign with all these racial tactics. But they have forgotten. God is still in control and He sees and knows everything.

Posted by: vgw22 | March 28, 2008 2:56 AM | Report abuse

According to Obama Book Dreams from My Father( page 201), Not only did Obama support the Reverend Wright Sunday Sermons, he also supported Minister Farrakhan Newspaper "The Final Call". Topic like CAUCASIAN WOMAN ADMITS: WHITES ARE THE DEVIL ,which caught his eye, he would buy.

Posted by: ecbmtrumpeer | March 27, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mjno | March 27, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

It appears that Mrs. Clinton has been silent until now to deflect attention from her "Unsavory Religious Affiliations. Copy and paste the URL in your browser:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/20/opinion/main3955108.shtml

The title of this news report: "Hillary's Nasty Pastorate, The Nation: When It Comes To Unsavory Religious Affiliations, Clinton Is A Lot More Vulnerable Than..."

Posted by: bdianam | March 27, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

-- Obama's speech seemed to satisfy the Press --

-


No, those media geeks in the tank for
Obama, were mesmerized and called him
Lincoln. Others like Balz, took a more
removed view and called the praise
unearned, for a speech required of him
for his political neck.

Others, called it for what it was - a
simple attempt to change the subject from Obama attending the church of a racially
divisive crazy-man for 20 years, to
a "discussion on race in America".

-- - your error is in equating Obama as the same person as Wright --

Clank! Reread. Didn't say that.


-- Your statements suggesting Obama is a racist are ridiculous. --

Clank! Reread. Didn't say that.

Here is the problem. One More Time -
slowly for the mesemerized. It's not
hard;


Rev. Wright spewed extremist, racially
divisive ideology, with malice in his
voice.

Barack Obama, the proclaimed racial uniter
to whom words matter, attended.

At worst, he subscribed to it. At best, he
looked the other way. For 20 years.


Next...


;-)

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Posted by: straightmedia | March 27, 2008 2:54 AM | Report abuse

cjflucker, why you need long explantion? It is simple answer, Obama associated with anti-white and anti-America over 20 years, he had Wright as spiritual advisor, he lied to us he never heard that kind of sermon before, wife is proud of being American first time, refused to wear American flag pin, reject to respect toward The Pledge and Anthem, two years Senator has 8 million dollors house, got the money from the criminal Rezko, are those behavior not enough to drop out campaign? His action doesn't match with his words, Obama is disqualified for the President, that's the answer.

Posted by: kreisch | March 26, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

In 1983 Barack Obama graduated from Columbia University and while still in his mid twenties began working as a community organizer on the south side of Chicago. Having grown up without a father and in a non religious environment, it was then that Barack Obama began attending Trinity United Church of Christ and met the pastor of the church, Rev. Wright, a black man 20 years his senior, who became influential in his life and became part of his family, his "adopted uncle", and who helped Barack Obama become a Christian believer.
Barack Obama has strongly denounced Wright's hyperbolic, 1960s style radical rhetoric that Wright has used in a few of his sermons that is based on Wright's extreme anger and bitterness which Obama understands but doesn't share. But Barack Obama has refused to disown his "adopted uncle" simply for political expediency.

Posted by: bobwestafer | March 26, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

I cannot believe some of you people. If Obama's pastor, or anybody's pastor used your name specifically in a sermon of racism and anti white and anti America {i.e. "Hillary has never been call a N----R, because, etc.) would't you have the right to make a statement? I think so. If he would just leave that church, more people would rally around him so fast, including ME...nonniepoppy

Posted by: philfran2 | March 26, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Clinton's Washington, DC pastor this

morning endorses Rev. Wright:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/25/pastor-of-clintons-forme_n_93418.html

Personally, it's great!

At least the Ministers are showing unity.

Posted by: Iwantmyvoicetobeheard | March 26, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Ms. Clinton's Washington, DC pastor this

morning endorses Rev. Wright:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/25/pastor-of-clintons-forme_n_93418.html

Personally, it's great!

At least the Ministers are showing unity.

Posted by: Iwantmyvoicetobeheard | March 26, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Dem's

It is important for each and every person to take responsibility for themselves and read everything they need to read about all of the issues above, inter alia and decide for themselves who you want to vote for.

It might help to stop listening to other people and omit the smear camps. Some of the smear camps and bloggers sound like Republican trolls trying to anguish you. NOT to say ALL Republicans are trolls, just a few. SO Please! Stop being misguided by trolls. Too much hate being spewed here.

Your choice should be based on your collective knowledge of facts. Not hearsay or smears and definitely not too many blogs. Blogs are inundated with trolls.

From reading so many blogs I tend to find Hillary's people fight for her and will even mention her name and say things in favor of her. Barack's people do the same thing, but tend to be more protective of him and they generally sign off with, Go Obama.

If the above is not visible, I ignore them.

I don't believe Hillary or Obama are racist. Obama enjoyed getting our young people involved in politics and has done a great job doing so. Hillary and Obama are pretty good at addressing issues. Makes politics exciting.

As a Democrat, I would love to see Obama and Clinton on the same ticket.

We are Democrats and their are a lot of racist Republicans on the blogs trying to up-set the party by bringing divisivness
into our camps.

First eliminate watching pasted YouTube links, they are generally debasing, whether
it's directed at Hillary or Obama.

Please. Let's stick together Dem's. and stop the hyperbole.

Posted by: Iwantmyvoicetobeheard | March 26, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Dem's

It is important for each and every person to take responsibility for themselves and read everything they need to read about all of the issues above, inter alia and decide for themselves who you want to vote for.

It might help to stop listening to other people and omit the smear camps. Some of the smear camps and bloggers sound like Republican trolls trying to anguish you. Please! Stop being misguided by trolls. Too much hate being spewed.

Your choice should be based on your collective knowledge of facts. Not hearsay or smears and definitely not too many blogs. Blogs are inundated with trolls.

From reading so many blogs I tend to find Hillary's people fight for her and will even mention her name and say things in favor of her. Barack's people do the same thing, but tend to be more protective of him and they generally sign off with, Go Obama.

If the above is not visible, I ignore them.

I don't believe Hillary or Obama are racist. Obama enjoyed getting our young people involved in politics and has done a great job doing so. Hillary and Obama are pretty good at addressing issues. Makes politics exciting.

As a Democrat, I would love to see Obama and Clinton on the same ticket.

We are Democrats and their are a lot of racist Republicans on the blogs trying to up-set the party by bringing divisivness
into our camps.

First eliminate watching pasted YouTube links, they are generally debasing, whether
it's directed at Hillary or Obama.

Please. Let's stick together Dem's. and stop the hyperbole.

Posted by: Iwantmyvoicetobeheard | March 26, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

JackD.
Who the heck is Glenn Thrush, and what are his credentials? More garbage, two steps removed, and dripping out as if Politico were the source. Where is the research, and where is the empirical evidence, not just urban myth?

I can say that the moon is made of green cheese; if said enough times, people will believe it. That's the problem here, folks.
No sourcing, just junk, trash, non-journalism. Fit for fools and thieves, all of it. You would get an F for your hard work. It is simply trash from a blogger, and you believe it. That's truly sad my friend. Truly sad.
Suppose it were you or me that couldn't speak what they felt it was their duty to speak. Am I wrong? Is it not a free country? Or is it free for some, and limited or none for the rest? That's what we're dealing with. A nation of sheep.
When it happens to you, you may think and feel differently. Until then, think before you use not a primary or secondary source, but the worst kind - illiterate and non-factual.

Posted by: thesfg1 | March 26, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Our society needs to be color blind. Racist statements made by people of any color need to be condemned whether they are from Rev. Wright, Don Imus, David Duke or Farrakhan. This is the only way the country can move forward.

Does anyone here really think that Bill and Hillary Clinton would not have walked out of any church in America that denigrated one race in favor of another? The whole concept is absurd.

So why didn't Barak Obama show the same strength of character and resolve that we know most intelligent americans would have shown?

The only problem is that she should have gone after Obama on this in the stretch between Iowa and Super Tuesday. Then we democrats wouldn't be in this mess!

Posted by: boothe | March 26, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Well, thank God she finally said something about it! She sat back and said nothing while he attacked her again and again in his speech, bringing up Ferraro numerous times, while Hillary said nothing. It's about time she said something. The only reason she has waited this long was because she DIDN'T want to be more divisive, but with Obama in the mix, there is no hope for that. He is dividing this country. Yes, she chose to stay married to her husband (a private affair), but there is no way anyone can call themselves a true American and listen to Wright's words for 20 years. And if you are talking about spouses, how about Michelle Obama, who has publicly stated, despite all the priviledges she has had, that she is just now proud to be American? That is far more damaging to this country than what Bill Clinton did in the past, which was between a husband and wife and her choice to stay or leave. Do we really want that woman as an ambassador for our country? Get real people.

Posted by: tkarol3 | March 26, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

I agree with most posters. Rev. Wright if you take the time to watch more than a soundbyte he didn't say anything that I found anti white. I really don't know where you people are getting that from. I think the people making a stink about this are either close minded GOP's or Hillary supporters. You can't find anything with Obama directly so now we are trying to blame him for what was said at a couple sermons that he didn't even attend. Nice try. Obama '08.

Posted by: Carolp23 | March 26, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | March 26, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

JakeD;
Are you referring to the 30 second splice and dice that the Tarmac Terror mentioned, or something else?
Give me a reference; if not, go look it up.

Posted by: thesfg1 | March 26, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

So, who was Wright QUOTING when he said: "Italians Look Down Their Garlic Noses ... Gave Jesus Public Lynching Italian Style"?

Who was Michelle Obama QUOTING when she said: "It's easier to hold on to your own stereotypes and misconceptions, it makes you feel justified in your own ignorance...That's America"?

Posted by: JakeD | March 26, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

"Well, if jeremiah Wright is an example of this, so help us GOD. This man is a downright racist." Jennilozer

Is your head a substitute for your rear? Did you take the time to actually read the transcript of the sermon(s) you so glibly object to, or look at the full-length sermon, out of which came the simpleton slice from Hannity? What if your father or mother were accused of quoting someone, and because of that quote they lost their job, or were thrown out of the church they were in, or had their children taken from them, or, I don't know, maybe some really nasty thing like taking away their citizenship, or getting a dishonorable discharge, or losing their pension, or their social security, or their health insurance, or a host of other things; what if it was your own family who that might have happened to? Would you so glibly toss it off, blame it on someone else, leave the family, maybe?
Would you think that you'd want to ask a few questions, or does it matter to you, or any of the other small minded people in this playground?
Do your research, learn a little about the subject, make all the comments you want to, but please don't tell other people what they SHOULD have done, as the Tarmac Terror (candidate Clinton) did.

Posted by: thesfg1 | March 26, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Why shouldn't Hillary comment on this issue? You can bet this alone has nearly eliminated Obama's chance to win in November. Remember, he knee-capped himself with Wright by sitting in the pews for 20 years, etc. If Obama is identified as the nominee the Repulicans will immediately start their full scale assult on this issue and McCain will win in a landslide. Therefore, in my humble opinion, Hillary better do everything she can to get the nomination or, we the democrats, are doomed again in November. So MSM, if Sen. Obama isn't able to get our nomination because he continues to get an all but free pass, doesn't it behoove us all to find that out now, before it is too late? Or do some the good ole' boys in the MSM, RNC, and possibly the DNC fear a female as "Commander in Chief" so badly that your willing to concede the general election to anyone, as long as it's not Hillary? America really needs her. She is the best choice we have to restore our standing at home and abroad. I am far from alone in that opinion. Take a look at her position papers, plans, and solutions for America, then you decide. After that you will vote Hillary. I know I am. Thank you for considering America first. KY

Posted by: maryobryan | March 26, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Pastor Wright is not a racist.


WORTH READING:

Since you like to quote Dr.King (as do I), here's one that ran in the Washington Post news paper column last week. It speaks to today's situation just as much as it spoke to the Vietnam War generation, and it reads to me as a more sanitized version of Rev. Wright's oft-viewed "G-D America" clip:


"God didn't call America to engage in a senseless, unjust war. . . . And we are criminals in that war. We've committed more war crimes almost than any nation in the world, and I'm going to continue to say it. And we won't stop it because of our pride and our arrogance as a nation. But God has a way of even putting nations in their place...[God will say:] And if you don't stop your reckless course, I'll rise up and break the backbone of your power."

We let these SMEAR CAMPS get us all worked - up. . . actually they laugh at your re-actions.

People need to listen to the whole sermon and not just snippets of it.

Listen and judge for yourself.

Posted by: Iwantmyvoicetobeheard | March 26, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Kelvin25 you said" Together, black religion and Marxist philosophy may show us the way to build a completely new society."

Well, if jeremiah Wright is an example of this, so help us GOD. This man is a downright racist. Marist philosophy is a fiasco and has no place in the USA

Posted by: jenilozer | March 26, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Well said.

Posted by: Iwantmyvoicetobeheard | March 26, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Clinton says you can't choose your family but she signifcantly leaves out the one family member you DO choose -- your spouse.

Clinton made a decision to stay with her husband even after he was exposed as a cheater and a liar. She chose to continue to let her daughter be raised by a man controlled by his lusts. She stood by a man who threw the nation into turmoil because he would not admit to his sins. She stayed with him through a long history of sexual misconduct allegations and lawsuits until it culminated in an embarassing incident for the entire nation. Then she blamed it all, not on her husband, but on the "right-wing conspiracy", saying "Ignore the sins of my husband. Attack those who expose such sins".

Why did she stay with her husband? Maybe it was political expediance. She wanted the power. Maybe she saw more goodness in Clinton than the media would have suggested in 1998. Maybe her history with him had convinced her that he was a good man and the sum of his parts was more than a sexual affair and deceit.

But now Clinton attacks Obama for believing in the goodness in Wright. That there's more to Wright than a minute of YouTube video. She feels that that minute, culled over decades, is worse than the good Wright has done for the people of Chicago and elsewhere. She questions why Obama did not cast Wright off.

There is an old saying about glass houses and stones. Clinton would be wise to heed it rather than act self-righteous.

Posted by: iofiel | March 26, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama/Richardson/Edwards'08

Posted by: Iwantmyvoicetobeheard | March 26, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama/Richardson/Edwards'08

Posted by: Iwantmyvoicetobeheard | March 26, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama/Richardson/Edwards'08

Posted by: Iwantmyvoicetobeheard | March 26, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Clinton '08!

Posted by: evan2 | March 26, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

RESPONSE TO: Posted by: hhkeller |
March 26, 2008 01:37 PM

Hillary plays the groupies like a fiddle. Throwing White's around like a pet rabbit. Even if she should win the nom she'll lose a good third of dems and most indies in the process. Her Preacher, Rev. William Procanick, SEE BELOW is just the tip of Hillary's inner problem iceberg. She suffers from some kind of personal psycosis which probably started as a kid but maybe she. . . drug use enhanced.
Bush had similar psyche issues that weren't resolved.


HILLARY'S - PASTOR, convicted of child molestation.
READ:
When the Rev. William Procanick put his hand on the Bible during his sex-abuse trial in Oneida County Court earlier this year, he swore to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. But as the former Clinton pastor was sentenced Friday to three years in prison for inappropriately touching a 7-year-old girl at his home last March, Judge Michael L. Dwyer said Procanick sacrificed his honesty the day he testified.

Okay, so now that Clinton's pastor has been convicted of child molestation, will see see the same furor directed at Hillary that Obama has had to endure these last few days? - M. R.

½
½

IF A CANDIDATE IS KNOWN BY THE PASTOR THEY KEEP ......
Then you need to email this article to everyone you know. Here the CLINTON'S Pastor is convicted of child molestation.


See throwing stones is not the answer!

Posted by: Iwantmyvoicetobeheard | March 26, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

When Hillary was a member of the board of directors for six years at Walmart (which she does not list on her resume, but is included in her "35 years of experience"), and one of her mentors and fellow board members said "Labor unions are nothing but blood-sucking parasites living off the productive labor of people who work for a living."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4218509&page=1

Why is it that Hillary didn't quit the board of directors immediately? It's true you can't choose your family but you can choose your church. Hillary may have heard, though, that tolerance, compassion and forgiveness are "supposed" to be major parts of any religion. Hillary would quit her church if she disagreed with her pastor but would happily stay for 6 years as Wal-mart directors call labor union members "blood-sucking parasites."

Is this who you want running the country?

I think we need a new word for Hillary: hyperactive hypocrisy = hypercrisy.

Posted by: menospaamthereaper | March 26, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Hold it Roy3,

If the question about Rev Wright in Pittsburg was just raised by a random journalist, then why was she reading a prepared script as her answer? Just more of the same devisive desperate tactics from a lost cause.

Posted by: rfling | March 26, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary has a "USE" for you, I really don't think she cares what color you are.

So...You are useful to her at the moment.

Big deal being used, huh.

Posted by: Iwantmyvoicetobeheard | March 26, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse


Obama plays the groupies like a fiddle. Throwing the race card around like its a pet rabbit. Even if he should win the nom he lost a good third of dems and most indies in the process. His Wright mentor is just the tip of Obamas inner problem iceberg. Obama suffers from some kind of personal psycosis which probably started as a kid but may be drug use enhanced.
Bush had similar psyche issues that weren't resolved.

Posted by: hhkeller | March 26, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama's church pushes controversial doctrines
Margaret Talev | McClatchy Newspapers
last updated: March 20, 2008 06:50:02 PM

WASHINGTON -- Jesus is black. Merging Marxism with Christian Gospel may show the way to a better tomorrow. The white church in America is the Antichrist because it supported slavery and segregation.

Those are some of the more provocative doctrines that animate the theology at the core of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, Barack Obama's church.

Obama's speech Tuesday on race in America was hailed as a masterful handling of the controversy over divisive sermons by the longtime pastor of Trinity United, the recently retired Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.

But in repudiating and putting in context Wright's inflammatory lines about whites and U.S. foreign policy, the Democratic presidential front-runner didn't address other potentially controversial facts about his church and its ties.

Wright has said that a basis for Trinity's philosophies is the work of James Cone, who founded the modern black liberation theology movement out of the civil rights struggles of the 1960s. Particularly influential was Cone's seminal 1969 book, "Black Theology & Black Power."

Cone wrote that the United States was a white racist nation and the white church was the Antichrist for having supported slavery and segregation.

Today, Cone, a professor at Union Theological Seminary in New York, stands by that view, but also makes clear that he doesn't believe that whites individually are the Antichrist.

In an interview, Cone said that when he was asked which church most embodied his message, "I would point to that church (Trinity) first." Cone also said he thought that Wright's successor, the Rev. Otis Moss III, would continue the tradition.

Obama, 46, who's biracial, joined Trinity in his late twenties when he worked as a community organizer. He says he'll continue to worship there.

He and other Chicagoans have praised Trinity's role as a melting pot that brings together blacks and some whites from all levels of wealth and education, boasts a joyous and energetic choir, and is deeply involved in community work, such as helping the homeless, the incarcerated and those touched by HIV and AIDS.

But Trinity has a history. Its affiliation with the United Church of Christ makes it part of a liberal, mostly white denomination that was the first in America to ordain gays, women and blacks as ministers.

Trinity goes further, embracing black liberation theology and its emphasis on empowering oppressed groups against establishment forces.

In that and related doctrines, the church and some of its guiding thinkers at times have been socially ahead of the curve and other times outside the mainstream of American religious and political thought.

For example, the 8,000-member congregation embraces the idea that Jesus was black. It's historically supported left-wing social and foreign policies, from South Africa to Latin America to the Middle East.

Wright, who hasn't been giving interviews since the controversy broke, told conservative TV talk-show host Sean Hannity last year that Trinity's black value system also had parallels to the liberation theology of laypeople in Nicaragua three decades ago. There, liberation theology became associated with Marxist revolution and the Sandinistas, and split the Roman Catholic Church.

White America today embraces Nelson Mandela, and he won the Nobel peace prize. But in the early 1980s, when the U.S. government considered Mandela's anti-Apartheid African National Congress a terrorist organization because of its support from communists and use of violence, Trinity became one of the first U.S. churches to support the group.

It isn't clear where Obama's beliefs and the church's diverge. Through aides, Obama declined requests for an interview or to respond to written questions about his thoughts on Jesus, Cone or liberation theology. Trinity officials also didn't respond to requests.

Obama's Illinois state and U.S. Senate voting records and his speeches suggest that, if elected president, he'd take a liberal but mainstream line and seek partisan bridge-building rather than agitation as his style.

It's possible that Obama joined Trinity as much because it gave him credibility as a newcomer to south side Chicago's black community as for its particular theological teachings.

"As a community organizer, would people join Trinity? Yes!" said Dwight Hopkins, a Trinity member and liberation theology professor at the University of Chicago's divinity school. (He said he'd contributed $25 to Obama's campaign.)

However, "someone who wanted to run for public office would think twice about intentionally using Trinity as a leverage," Hopkins said. "When it's Election Day, all the politicians come to Trinity. But not every day."

Cone, the Union professor, said he didn't know Obama personally. He supports his candidacy and considers the senator's worldview as set out in books and speeches "certainly not alien to black theology.

"But it doesn't have as much of a radical edge to it," Cone said of Obama's view. "He couldn't succeed with my message. He speaks less of the hurt and the pain of African-American history. I think his own life has been less of that."

But Cone stands by his message, and sometimes Obama echoes it.

Consider this passage: "Hope is the expectation of that which is not. It is the belief that the impossible is possible, the 'not yet' is coming in history."

Those words sound as if they were pulled from Obama's latest campaign speech. Instead, they're from a memoir Cone wrote in the 1980s. In it, Cone said blacks shouldn't limit their hope to what the Republican and Democratic parties stand for. Then he posited a thought that voters are unlikely to hear from Obama:

"Together, black religion and Marxist philosophy may show us the way to build a completely new society."

Posted by: KEVIN25 | March 26, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

I 100% support Sen. Hillary Clinton, she is the best candidate to become our first female president of the United States of America. VOTE ONLY FOR HILLARY.!!!!

Posted by: akber_kassam | March 26, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

To answer to Jake (2nd posting):
OK, Obama's middle name is HUSSEIN, and so what?

Posted by: samyaa | March 26, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Clinton on Bosnia, Obama on his days as a"community activist" or the legislation he has gotten "passed" or "what he knew and when he knew it" on Reverend Wright.

They all sound like fish stories to me.

Posted by: lithium452 | March 26, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

fmlndn71:

She DID comment on the behavior of her NY superdelegate who recently resigned: "I'm deeply saddened by this turn of events and my thoughts are with Governor Spitzer's family during this painful time."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-03-12-spitzer-superdel_N.htm

Were you referring to some OTHER NY superdelegate who recently resigned?

Posted by: JakeD | March 26, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY WANTS TO REVENGE ON BILL CLINTON !!!!

Hi Folks, there is something most of you fail to understand.... WHY HILLARY DESPERATELY WANTS THE WHITE HOUSE !!

Remember BILL and MONICA,

HILLARY WANTS TO DO IT ALSO IN THE OVAL OFFICE WHILE BILL IS IN THE LIVING QUARTERS.

GUESS WHO THE GUY IS??

Posted by: ayuk_o | March 26, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

So Sen. clinton would choose a church based on the sermans she WANTS tho hear.
The United Methodist church thinks the pastor should preach what the congregation NEEDS to hear.
"The Lord was with me; I'll never be invited back there again." -- John Wesley

Posted by: F_L_Palmer | March 26, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Unity! :-D

Posted by: rat-the | March 26, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

figcole:

That "logic" holds only if you equate racism with adultery.

Posted by: JakeD | March 26, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

RUTHLESS!!! That is HRC. She admitted in her speech that it was a personal matter that Obama had to deal with; she continued to comment on it. It's obvious she still hasn't listened to Obamas speech or the sermon by Wright. The underlying message in his sermon - When Government acts like GOD; GOD will put you back in your place.
She is a HYPOCRITE! Why isn't she commenting on the behavior of her NY superdelegate who recently resigned. HRC is a LIAR!! No doubt about it.

Posted by: fmlndn71 | March 26, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Senator Clinton states that Senator Obama should have gotten up and moved from the Reverend Wright's church. If one follows the logic of Clinton's aguement,one must ask Clinton why she did not get up and move from the White House when her husband was conducting his sordid affair there, denying it to the American public, and trashing the White House and the office of the Presidency. th


Posted by: figcole | March 26, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Senator Clinton states that Senator Obama should have gotten up and moved from the Reverend Wright's church. If one follows the logic of Clinton's aguement,one must ask Clinton why she did not get up and move from the White House when her husband was conducting his sordid affair there, denying it to the American public, and trashing the White House and the office of the Presidency. th


Posted by: figcole | March 26, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

For the first time in my life I'm actually impressed with Clinton; usually white liberals will hold the liberal standard that only white people can be racist.
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Posted by: Brad8 | March 26, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Perhaps Sen. Clinton is angling for the GOP VP spot. McCain-Clinton would be a "dream team" for the GOP.

She would:

1) help him among women
2)provide an experienced foreign policy advisor with a similar voting record on the issues
3) allow him to stay above the fray as she attacks Obama's patriotism, inexperience and blackness

Posted by: steveboyington | March 26, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

It's easy and very convenient for Senator Clinton to say she'd change pastors. But perhaps if it really happened in her life, she'd consult her faith, pray and decide to stick by him even though he was obviously wrong. I'm pretty sure if Bill Clinton pulled half the stunts he pulled, most women on the outside looking in would say Bill "would not have been their husband."

Maybe Hillary should get some sleep and start getting the facts of her own life right instead of weighing in on Rev. Wright.

Posted by: bjensen | March 26, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Ms. Clinton's Washington, DC pastor this morning endorses Rev. Wright:

"The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader whom I have heard speak a number of times," Snyder wrote. "He has served for decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society. To evaluate his dynamic ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave injustice to Dr. Wright, the members of his congregation, and the African-American church which has been the spiritual refuge of a people that has suffered from discrimination, disadvantage, and violence. Dr. Wright, a member of an integrated denomination, has been an agent of racial reconciliation while proclaiming perceptions and truths uncomfortable for some white people to hear. Those of us who are white Americans would do well to listen carefully to Dr. Wright rather than to use a few of his quotes to polarize."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/25/pastor-of-clintons-forme_n_93418.html

Posted by: lexi1 | March 26, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

alesterp...I totally agree with you. This whole Rev. Wright escapade just reinforces my belief that the media can control the thought processes of a lot of people. I read responses on this posting about things such as Rev. Wright is racist, anti-semite, anti-American or Obama's kids go to this church so he is raising a generation bigots.

Even the Clinton's own former pastor in D.C. defended Rev. Wright's 30+ years in the ministry as well as former Republican candidate Mike Huckabee. Heck, Rev. Wright was invited to (and met Bill Clinton) the White House to attend a prayer breakfast prior to the Lewinski trial. If Rev. Wright is such a bigot, racist, anti-American, and anti-semite, why in the hell would a sitting President invite him to the White House in on of the most darkest days in Bill Clinton's political and public life?

Secondly, in all the these 3 or 4 10-second videos clips of Rev. Wright's sermon there are no children in the pews. So for political pundits like Pat Buchanan to make these claims of children hearing some of the more fiery sermons of Rev. Wright is not true.

Posted by: ajtiger92 | March 26, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Why is Hillary responding to this? Who cares what Hillary Clinton thinks? Barack Obama's decision to stay as a member of Rev. Wright's church has to be a decision between him and God. It's not anyone elses business. His spiritual leader has to do with his soul, not his politics. And anyone, and I mean anyone who believes that Barach Obama or any other African-American is one-dimensional and unable to separate church and state, in sorely misinformed. Taking little bites of Rev. Wright's sermon and making it the sum of his totality is ridiculous. Let this go. Let's get on with the business of eliminating the ills in America...the failing economy, jobs being shipped overseas, health care, the war in Iraq and the loss of American servicemen and women, the long terms of deployment for our servicemen and women, etc.

Posted by: alesterp | March 26, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

If many voters share the Chicago pastor's view of America and white folks, they are a long way from the white house. Many immigrants who are expected to out grow them in numbers do not share their views - so they can pretend that Obama will win and every person who voted for him will live happily ever after. Blacks and whites do not make up all of the electorate. Many immigrants do and will outnumber them. So living in the past - where blacks and whites were the only voting Americans- will not help - Obama is neither black nor white - he is using both to be President - as far as changing anything - look at the folks who run his campaign - losers like Daschel, Kerry, etc.

Posted by: hrao | March 26, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Good, candidates are supposed to criticize each other. Goody two-shoes Obama is not going to change that.

I have had a pastor for many years. That is because I agree with him in the main. No one sticks with a pastor they find whose sermons they find repulsive. So, not so goody two-shoes after all.

Obama is toast now for a general election. Thanks to the morons who voted for him, we may lose the White House, AGAIN.

Superdelegates, do your job.

Posted by: Chicago1 | March 26, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Has it gotten to the point where Obama supporters are so hyper defensive that Hillary Clinton can't even suggest what course she might have taken had she been in Obama's place with regard to Rev. Wright?

This has to be among the most absurd reactions from the Obama camp, right up there with shouting racist every other comment Hillary or Bill Clinton has made during this campaign until finally Obama was personally forced to hang his head publicly and admit the Clintons have an impeccable record on civil rights issues.

Posted by: ichief | March 26, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Has it gotten to the point where Obama supporters are so hyper defensive that Hillary Clinton can't even suggest what course she might have taken had she been in Obama's place with regard to Rev. Wright?

This has to be among the most absurd reactions from the Obama camp, right up there with shouting racist every other comment Hillary or Bill Clinton has made during this campaign until finally Obama was personally forced to hang his head publicly and admit the Clintons have an impeccable record on civil rights issues.

Posted by: ichief | March 26, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Hillary is shameless, this we know. But her continuing to drag down the party is now the responsibility of party leaders who are letting her do it. They simply can throw their support to Obama and she's gone. Asking her to step down is idiotic as she only wants personal power and won't relinquish it until she's been beaten.

Why this story about her comment on Wright is meaningful is that she's been asked for 10 days to comment on the Wright story and she refused. Now, all of a sudden because she was asked a question, that legitimizes a response? Bull! She got in trouble for her lies about ALL of her supposed foreign policy experience and she had to change the topic. She is not strong, she is Bushonian. That's not what this country needs, a Bush in Democratic clothing. Be gone old hag.

Posted by: DeboG | March 26, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: lexi1 | March 26, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

THE "BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY" OF REV. WRIGHT AND THE TRINITY UCC IS THE THEOLOGY EMBRACED BY BARACK OBAMA, WHO HAS REFUSED TO REPUDIATE WRIGHT OR THE THEOLOGY OF WRIGHT. WRIGHT OPENLY PROCLAIMED THE THEOLOGY AND IDEOLOGY OF JAMES CONE IS THE THEOLOGY OF TRINITY UCC AT LEAST SIX TIMES IN INCESSANTLY REFERRING TO THE THEOLOGY OF JAMES CONE WHEN SPEAKING TO SEAN HANNITY IN THE OFTEN REPLAYED CABLE INTERVIEW WITH WRIGHT. THAT THEOLOGY IS AN AFRO-CENTRIC THEOLOGY AKIN TO THE QURAN'S MANY PASSAGES PROCLAIMING ISLAM AS THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION AND PROMOTING DIVISIVENESS WITH OTHER THEOLOGIES. SEE, E.G., QURAN, SURA 5: 51: "O you who believe, do not take certain Jews and Christians as allies; these are allies of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them. GOD does not guide the transgressors. " AGAIN, HERE IS SOME OF JAMES CON'S TEACHINGS:

"If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy." (James Cone, quoted in William R Jones, 'Divine Racism," in African-American Religious Thought: An Anthology, ed. Cornel West, Eddie Glaube, 2003)

James Cone, whom Rev Wright highly admires, goes on further: "Whiteness, as revealed in the history of America, is the expression of what is wrong with man. It is a symbol of man's depravity. God cannot be white even though white churches have portrayed him as white . . . When we can see a people who are controlled by an ideology of whiteness, then we know what reconciliation must mean. The coming of Christ means a denial of what we thought we were. It means destroying the white devil in us. Reconciliation to God means that white people are prepared to deny themselves (whiteness), take up the cross (blackness) and follow Christ (black ghetto)." (James Cone: Black Theology and Black Power, 1997).


IT IS APPARENT THAT THE PRESS HAS NOT DONE ITS JOB IN EXPLORING BARACK OBAMA'S PROFESSED "BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY" AND HIS POLITICS. WHY? OBAMA HAS REPEATEDLY STRESSED HIS "CHRISTIANITY" AND HIS SPIRITUAL CONNECTION WITH WRIGHT AND HIS CHURCH, BUT THE PRESS HAS NOT DELVED INTO THE "BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY" PRACTICED BY OBAMA AND HIS WIFE MICHELLE FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS. HOW DOES OBAMA RECONCILE THE RACIST AND DIVISIVE HATRED ESPOUSED BY JAMES CONE AND PRACTICED BY JEREMIAH WRIGHT WITH OBAMA'S PUBLICLY PROFESSED VISION OF UNITY. IF OBAMA TRULY BELIEVES IN UNITING AMERICA WHY HAS HE NOT LEFT THE TRINITY UCC FOR ANOTHER CHRISTIAN CHURCH THAT PROMOTES UNITY, SUCH AS ROMAN CATHOLICISM, SINCE HE WAS EDUCATED IN CATHOLIC SCHOOLS IN JAKARTA AND HONOLULU. IS IT BECAUSE "OBAMA'S CHRISTIANITY " DOES NOT ACCEPT MORE INCLUSIVE CHRISTIAN SECTS THAT PROMOTE NON-AFRO-CENTRIC THEOLOGY.

OBAMA CLEVERLY TURNED AN ISSUE ABOUT HIS RELIGIOUS ASSOCIATIONS AND THEOLOGY INTO A DEBATE ON RACE. MOREOVER, THE PRESS WAS APPARENTLY SO BEGUILED BY OBAMA'S MARCH 18 SPEECH THAT NO MEMBER OF THE PRESS WOULD DELVE INTO THE INCONSISTENCIES PRESENTED BY OBAMA THE UNITY CANDIDATE AND OBAMA THE CONGREGANT OF AN AFRO-CENTRIC CHURCH. THAT THEOLOGICALLY IS UNDENIABLY DIVISIVE AND RACIST. WHY WOULD A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE EMBRACE SUCH A PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY?

HOW CAN A PROFESSED "CHRISTIAN" WHO IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT ON A PROMISE OF UNITY PROCLAIMING, "THERE ARE NO RED STATES OR BLUE STATES, THERE IS ONLY THE UNITED STATES" BE ANYTHING BUT A SLICK IMPOSTOR IF HE HAS EMBRACED THE IDEOLOGY AND THEOLOGY OF JAMES CONE FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS? ACCORDING TO JAMES CONE AND REV. WRIGHT, "Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy." (James Cone, quoted in William R Jones, 'Divine Racism," in African-American Religious Thought: An Anthology, ed. Cornel West, Eddie Glaube, 2003)

WOULD HILLARY CLINTON BE EXCORIATED IN THE PRESS IF SHE ESPOUSED A DIVISIVE AND EXCLUSIVE WHITE GOD ONLY CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY?

LET THIS SERIOUS PUBLIC DEBATE ABOUT BARACK OBAMA'S IDEOLOGY AND ELECTABILITY BEGIN IN EARNEST. AMERICA NEEDS AN OPEN NATIONAL DEBATE ABOUT THE IDEOLOGY AND THEOLOGY OF THE DEMOCRATIC FRONTRUNNER.

Posted by: KEVIN25 | March 26, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

THE "BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY" OF REV. WRIGHT AND THE TRINITY UCC IS THE THEOLOGY EMBRACED BY BARACK OBAMA, WHO HAS REFUSED TO REPUDIATE WRIGHT OR THE THEOLOGY OF WRIGHT. WRIGHT OPENLY PROCLAIMED THE THEOLOGY AND IDEOLOGY OF JAMES CONE IS THE THEOLOGY OF TRINITY UCC AT LEAST SIX TIMES IN INCESSANTLY REFERRING TO THE THEOLOGY OF JAMES CONE WHEN SPEAKING TO SEAN HANNITY IN THE OFTEN REPLAYED CABLE INTERVIEW WITH WRIGHT. THAT THEOLOGY IS AN AFRO-CENTRIC THEOLOGY AKIN TO THE QURAN'S MANY PASSAGES PROCLAIMING ISLAM AS THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION AND PROMOTING DIVISIVENESS WITH OTHER THEOLOGIES. SEE, E.G., QURAN, SURA 5: 51: "O you who believe, do not take certain Jews and Christians as allies; these are allies of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them. GOD does not guide the transgressors. " AGAIN, HERE IS SOME OF JAMES CON'S TEACHINGS:

"If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy." (James Cone, quoted in William R Jones, 'Divine Racism," in African-American Religious Thought: An Anthology, ed. Cornel West, Eddie Glaube, 2003)

James Cone, whom Rev Wright highly admires, goes on further: "Whiteness, as revealed in the history of America, is the expression of what is wrong with man. It is a symbol of man's depravity. God cannot be white even though white churches have portrayed him as white . . . When we can see a people who are controlled by an ideology of whiteness, then we know what reconciliation must mean. The coming of Christ means a denial of what we thought we were. It means destroying the white devil in us. Reconciliation to God means that white people are prepared to deny themselves (whiteness), take up the cross (blackness) and follow Christ (black ghetto)." (James Cone: Black Theology and Black Power, 1997).

IT IS APPARENT THAT THE PRESS HAS NOT DONE ITS JOB IN EXPLORING BARACK OBAMA'S PROFESSED "BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY" AND HIS POLITICS. WHY? OBAMA HAS REPEATEDLY STRESSED HIS "CHRISTIANITY" AND HIS SPIRITUAL CONNECTION WITH WRIGHT AND HIS CHURCH, BUT THE PRESS HAS NOT DELVED INTO THE "BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY" PRACTICED BY OBAMA AND HIS WIFE MICHELLE FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS. HOW DOES OBAMA RECONCILE THE RACIST AND DIVISIVE HATRED ESPOUSED BY JAMES CONE AND PRACTICED BY JEREMIAH WRIGHT WITH OBAMA'S PUBLICLY PROFESSED VISION OF UNITY. IF OBAMA TRULY BELIEVES IN UNITING AMERICA WHY HAS HE NOT LEFT THE TRINITY UCC FOR ANOTHER CHRISTIAN CHURCH THAT PROMOTES UNITY, SUCH AS ROMAN CATHOLICISM, SINCE HE WAS EDUCATED IN CATHOLIC SCHOOLS IN JAKARTA AND HONOLULU. IS IT BECAUSE "OBAMA'S CHRISTIANITY " DOES NOT ACCEPT MORE INCLUSIVE CHRISTIAN SECTS THAT PROMOTE NON-AFRO-CENTRIC THEOLOGY.

OBAMA CLEVERLY TURNED AN ISSUE ABOUT HIS RELIGIOUS ASSOCIATIONS AND THEOLOGY INTO A DEBATE ON RACE. MOREOVER, THE PRESS WAS APPARENTLY SO BEGUILED BY OBAMA'S MARCH 18 SPEECH THAT NO MEMBER OF THE PRESS WOULD DELVE INTO THE INCONSISTENCIES PRESENTED BY OBAMA THE UNITY CANDIDATE AND OBAMA THE CONGREGANT OF AN AFRO-CENTRIC CHURCH. THAT THEOLOGICALLY IS UNDENIABLY DIVISIVE AND RACIST. WHY WOULD A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE EMBRACE SUCH A PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY?

HOW CAN A PROFESSED "CHRISTIAN" WHO IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT ON A PROMISE OF UNITY PROCLAIMING, "THERE ARE NO RED STATES OR BLUE STATES, THERE IS ONLY THE UNITED STATES" BE ANYTHING BUT A SLICK IMPOSTOR IF HE HAS EMBRACED THE IDEOLOGY AND THEOLOGY OF JAMES CONE FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS? ACCORDING TO JAMES CONE AND REV. WRIGHT, "Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy." (James Cone, quoted in William R Jones, 'Divine Racism," in African-American Religious Thought: An Anthology, ed. Cornel West, Eddie Glaube, 2003)

WOULD HILLARY CLINTON BE EXCORIATED IN THE PRESS IF SHE ESPOUSED A DIVISIVE AND EXCLUSIVE WHITE GOD ONLY CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY?

LET THIS SERIOUS PUBLIC DEBATE ABOUT BARACK OBAMA'S IDEOLOGY AND DELECTABILITY BEGIN IN EARNEST. AMERICA NEEDS AN OPEN NATIONAL DEBATE ABOUT THE IDEOLOGY AND THEOLOGY OF THE DEMOCRATIC FRONTRUNNER.

Posted by: KEVIN25 | March 26, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Hillary could have been a little more subtle, instead she sounded a little more desperate. The classic rejoinder to the Wright debacle as far as Obama is concerned, is to leave the decision up to the voter. If Clinton had said: "It's a matter of personal conscience, which each voter has to decide for his or her self" she would had led the electorate to an inevitable judgment: what Wright said is so abhorrent, Senator Obama should have decried his remarks long before the comments erupted into an election issue. But Hillary chose to play the blame game, leaving less room for each voter, giving the Obama camp the opportunity to charge her with playing politics. This is just one in a host of campaign trail mistakes Hillary has made over the past weeks: the suggestion that Obama would be a good VP candidate after declaring that he was not equipped to answer that three AM White House call: Lying about the landing of her plane in Bosnia, ("misspoke," "Exaggeration" is nonsense) which she then has to recant. Frittering away $120-million in campaign funds through February and then unable to field a ground force in subsequent Primary States that enabled Obama to ravage the countryside with lopsided victories. It is disappointing when a truly brilliant person like Hillary Clinton shows that she has the experience to make crucial basic mistakes.

Posted by: bigdave1 | March 26, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

For 20 years he sat through the radical and racist rant from that man.He took his young impressionable children to ensure that they learn the black liberation theology well.He made sure that there will be a new generation of follower that believe in this kind of racial hatred.If he doesn't believe everything this guy says,why did he bring his whole family there? I know I stop going when the guest speaker said something offensive about another religion and it took me less than 2 seconds to tell my son never to believe that pastor.Not 20 years.Please fellow democrats,stay home or vote McCain.(just make sure you vote democrat for senate and congress).let's not allow this bigot to lead this country he and his wife are not proud of.

Posted by: tony1161 | March 26, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

It is not an issue of FORGIVENESS and HEALING. Is it so difficult for everyone to understand that we are electing a President and we are all entitled to see their associations and the importance that this could play in their qualifications?

Posted by: Hispana | March 26, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

To kevin25:

Your points were so well put together!!! Please help us enlighten the public by posting your comments in the various newspapers!!!

Posted by: Hispana | March 26, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

It was a bad day for forgiveness and healing.

Go OBAMA

Posted by: grandstreetfund | March 26, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Barack Obama's "A more Perfect Union" speech may have delighted the media mavens who yearn for America to move past the racial divide by electing a candidate that promises to bring us together and to unify the nation with his oratory, but it did little to eradicate the danger facing the Democratic Party if Obama is its nominee. Why? Because the press has not critically vetted Barack Obama. Nevertheless, the conservative cable talk show hosts have just begun to seriously attack by feeding the press the inflammatory rhetoric of Obama's Pastor. If the press had done a modicum of due diligence on Obama it would have raised the issue of whether the Barack Obama candidacy is viable given his past and present associations and actions that contradict his purported transcendent candidacy. Simply put, there is ample undisputed evidence available to raise the question: "Is Barack Obama an impostor?" The delving I have done indicates that the press has lost its edge in the Twenty First Century. Glitz is in and critical analysis is out. Look, for example, at the failure to uncover the Enron, WorldCom and other financial frauds such as the sub prime "liar" loans that went unreported on for the most part.

As I see it, the Republican party operatives, immediately following Obama's nomination, will launch a fact based attack on Obama's theology, as practiced by Mr. and Mrs. Obama as members of a church whose pastor consistently stressed to Sean Hannity in an often aired television interview that Obama's church is guided by the teachings of James Cone. In that interview Pastor Wright harped on the fact that his church has followed the "Black Liberation Theology" of theologian James Cone. Indeed, Rev. Wright cited James Cone, another proponent of black liberation theology, as his theological inspiration. Here are just a few of James Cone's quotes: (1) "To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people." (2) "While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism." (3) "All white men are responsible for white oppression." (4) "Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil." (5) "If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it." (6) "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."

Barack Obama has stressed how Rev. Wright brought him to Christianity and that Obama embraced the teaching of Trinity church as a congregant in his campaign and in his published writings. These teachings are fundamentally racist and divisive. Obama has chosen to belong to this "Black Liberation Theology" church for almost 20 years. Hannity, no friend of Democrats, has been airing Wright's May 2007 interview incessantly to eventually emblazon the association of Wright, Obama and the divisive theology of James Cone on the American body politic once Obama secures the nomination.

The problem is that Obama, in his eloquent speech of Tuesday March 18, did not reject the Afrocentric theology of the Trinity United Church of Christ, nor the application of that theology as practiced by Pastor Jeremiah Wright. Moreover, not only did Obama fail to repudiate Wright, Obama failed to explain how he could belong to a church since the early nineties and embrace its "Black Liberation Theology" on one hand and run for the highest office in the land on the other.

It appears certain that comparing the attacks on Obama's association with divisive theology for almost 20 years following Obama's nomination will make "swiftboating" an inapplicable metaphor. Indeed, it appears almost certain that the damage that will be done to the Democrats following Obama's nomination could make the 1972 McGovern choice of Tom Eagleton as Vice Presidential running mate pale by comparison to 2008 election politics of juxtaposing sexy sound bites and undisputable facts.

Obama's ties to radical "Black Liberation Theology" will be just the beginning. The attack dogs will tie Obama's theology and his actions to radical African politics because the overwhelming majority of the press have not looked into Obama's associations with radical African politicians and Obama's actions in support of those radicals. For example, one only read the stories published in the New York Sun (http://www.nysun.com/article/69273 ) on January 10, 2008 entitled "The Kenya Connection" and Investors Business Daily of January 15, 2008 (http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?status=article&id=285292746454291&secid=1501 )( discussed below) to realize that there is plenty of ammunition available to render Obama's nomination cannon fodder for conservative talk show hosts and television hit pieces that could make "Willie Horton" commercials look like political cream puffs.

Will Obama's ties to radical African politicians such as Raila Odinga, whose political campaigns have been funded by Muammar Gaddafi of Libya and who has forged alliances with fundamentalist Islamic factions cause the Democrats to lose the usually reliable Jewish vote? Will working class whites embrace a black Obama? Will an all out attack on Obama resulting in his defeat in the general election spawn riots across America's inner cities?

These are troubling questions that deserve to be discussed now because the news media and particularly the traditional press have appeared to abdicate their responsibility to have vetted candidate Obama with the healthy skepticism that has long been the hallmark of the free press in America. It behooves us all to raise these issues now rather than become intoxicated with a candidate's oratorical skills and hopeful rhetoric only to later find out that the promise was far different than reality.

Posted by: KEVIN25 | March 26, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

So many of you are downplaying the importance of Obama's connection to Rev.Wright ,church and fringe individuals that are promoting so many troubling ideas in our society. This goes beyond freedom of religion and it should be named for what it is. A group of individuals that here right before our eyes promotes TERRORISM. These HATRED, ANTI-SEMITIC, PRO-HAMAS values and support DO NOT REPRESENT our values and need to be exposed and remembered by all of us.

The Media is responsible for playing a game of ignoring this agenda because of their blind support of this candidate and it is about time that the rest of us take action to continue denouncing Obama for what he represents: LEFTWING RADICAL IDEAS that are extremely dangerous.

No, Obama IS NOT by any means the chosen candidate as the will of the people will be heard. These remaining primaries need to be held to allow people to express their opinion. And Florida and Michigan need to re-vote.

This morning it was so sad to hear Joe Scarborough apologize for mentioning the Wright issue again. I can see how the great majority of liberal pundits have agreed to bury the issue. So, folks it is incumbent on us to take away their power and continue raising this issue.

Posted by: Hispana | March 26, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: FirstMouse | March 26, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Update: 52% who heard speech less likely to vote for Obama? March 2008

All the obama supporters defending him staying with his spiritual camp advisor and TCC, ALL the black ministers defending Wrights so-called preaching of hate simply tells ALL Americans they support his feelings of anti-America and white hatred that the church endoreses. Why else would a parent continue to raise his young daughters in that atmosphere if he didn't have the same beliefs! No one says Obama cant attend the church for 20 years, or raise his daughters to be racist like his wife, what we ARE SAYING is that HE CANNOT REPRESENT ALL OF AMERCIA AS U.S. PRESIDENT! Rev Wright was and most likely still is a paid advisor on Obamas campaign??? Obama and David Axelrod insisted that Obama be the black candidate early in SC when they tried to spin it on Bill Clinton, it worked for the biased tabloid media like CNN cronies, since then, we ALL have come to realize Obama has problems with the truth and we learned this week for sure where his faith and true beliefs are, its obvious THERES ABSOLUTLY NO CHANGE WITH OBAMA, HE WILL DRAG U.S. BACK TO THE 60'S RACIAL DIVIDE at a time our country needs to unite. He cannot do that, no matter how many black news casts tell you he can.

OBAMA STANDS BEHIND SPIRITAL ADVISOR WRIGHT!
"Wright is like an uncle you love and respect" As imperfect as he may be, he has been family to me for so many years, I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community, said Obama. The man who believes and preaches the U.S. government formulated the HIV AIDS virus to commit genocide against blacks also preaches "We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye on 9/11. This is the same man Obama had as advisor on his Presidential staff until this week. Rather than break ties with his demagogic, anti-American pastor, Obama used a speech on the non-back race to excuse his behavior and sweep the controversy under the rug. Passing the buck. Obama supposedly condemning Wright's shocking verbal assaults against the U.S and White Americans, but April last year; Obama was the first and quickest to demand Imus' ouster for making a racially insensitive remarks. His opinions and issues change with the weather, he is too UNSTABLE and proven he cannot make a decision or stay with one. Next we have ALL corrupt campaign financers, business and personal friends as indicted Rezko, former Dallas Mayor Hill, Rep. Rick Renzi and Mr. Auchi, leading supplier of arms to Saddam's regime convicted for corruption in France, the same British-Iraqi billionaire lent millions and millions of dollars to Obama all coming out of the woodwork. ALL this from the half black ex-Muslim who touts change and claims to be a uniter of all people? Proof he is just another in-experienced Washington politician that the media has like CNN has given a free pass at the great risk of our great country! There will soon be allot more video of Rev Wright and Obama coming, all this has proven without doubt if he is the nominee the democrat voters he cannot win the general election, just the black vote will not do it. Its time for Obama to leave this race and take his not so proud of America racist wife, spiritual advisor and anti white church with him..

Barack Obama: What You REALLY Need To Know Before You Vote!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe0frz7_xrk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEMZHQsQJ6Y

Posted by: dyck21005 | March 26, 2008 7:41 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton's former pastor:

"The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader whom I have heard speak a number of times," Snyder wrote. "He has served for decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society. To evaluate his dynamic ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave injustice to Dr. Wright, the members of his congregation, and the African-American church which has been the spiritual refuge of a people that has suffered from discrimination, disadvantage, and violence. Dr. Wright, a member of an integrated denomination, has been an agent of racial reconciliation while proclaiming perceptions and truths uncomfortable for some white people to hear. Those of us who are white Americans would do well to listen carefully to Dr. Wright rather than to use a few of his quotes to polarize."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/25/pastor-of-clintons-forme_n_93418.html

Posted by: dutchess2 | March 26, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

Hillary has her own religion problems:

Clinton fell in with the Family in 1993, when she joined a Bible study group composed of wives of conservative leaders like Jack Kemp and James Baker. When she ascended to the senate, she was promoted to what Sharlet calls the Family's "most elite cell," the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast, which included, until his downfall, Virginia's notoriously racist Senator George Allen. This has not been a casual connection for Clinton. She has written of Doug Coe, the Family's publicity-averse leader, that he is "a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html

Posted by: dutchess2 | March 26, 2008 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Something like 30 million people have voted in the Democratic primary already. Yet the difference between these two candidates is only about 700k.

13,355,239
12,637,963

Almost as many people have voted for Hillary Clinton as have voted for Barack Obama. She enjoys support around the country that is very VERY close to the amount of support he enjoys. But she has been the subject of relentless ridicule in the press and the left-wing blogosphere. Humiliating op-ed commentaries and a general scorn for the Clinton years and Clintonian tactics and dishonesty and duplicity and all the rest.

But instead of standing up and trying to defend this former first lady and an icon of the Democratic party, the Obama campaign has contributed to the denigration of her and of the Clinton legacy. Nothing new there, I've been saying that for months.

But what I'm saying now is look at that 12,637,963 people who have voted for Clinton. They obviously believe in her over him. When you denigrate her or stand by quietly savoring her being denigrated and humiliated by the press in an election this close and running against a former two term first lady, you are committing party sepuku. You're ignoring that support and you're siding with the enemies of your friends.

Hillary is no fringe candidate. Statistically speaking you're pretty much talking about HALF of your party being against you. Instead of being careful about that and being POLITICALLY responsible and respectful of that base support for the wife of a two term president, the Obama campaign has pulled out every stop to destroy the Clintons' legacy in America.

When the postmortems are done on this election cycle, the recklessness with which Obama, a newcomer on the national political scene, trashed, and participated in the trashing by outsiders, of two icons of the Democratic party, and by extension the massive loyal support the Clintons still enjoy among Democrats in this country... I predict some enterprising political writer will cash in on the thesis I've described.

Posted by: jammerbirdi | March 26, 2008 7:15 AM | Report abuse

Of course- that's why she and Bill are still looking for a church to join- one that only believes in 8 of the 10 Commandments - rejecting "Thou shall not commit adultery " and Thou shal not bear false witness against thy neighbor."

Posted by: chuckruch | March 26, 2008 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Of course- that's why she and Bill are still looking for a church to join- one that only believes in 8 of the 10 Commandments - rejecting "Thou shall not commit adultery " and Thou shal not bear false witness against thy neighbor."

Posted by: chuckruch | March 26, 2008 7:06 AM | Report abuse

And Roy - she could have chosen to say she did not wish to comment on the situation - that was her choice.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 26, 2008 6:47 AM | Report abuse

THE ISSUE WAS RISED BY A JOURNALIST! The media fellow ALONE is to be blamed. She was asked about the flap when she met with the editorial board of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review today. The only thing she did was to give a direct answer to this question.

Posted by: Roy3 | March 26, 2008 6:42 AM | Report abuse

Can you imagine Hillary not using such a Wright issue in her campaign? it can't happen! Remember--this is Hillary! She will blow up and out if she didn't use it. I am only sorry for the poor, serious, middle class Americans who are being deceived by do-anything-to-win politicians who are careless about the nation. We better vote for this man Obama or keep suffering!!!

Posted by: strongblood | March 26, 2008 6:15 AM | Report abuse

Correction: March 2008

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 26, 2008 5:57 AM | Report abuse

HuckFinn: McCain is a formidable opponent?

'So, Senator Obama, you said you opposed the war in Iraq and one of the reasons was that there were difficult tribal and religious alliances in Iraq and one should be careful about unleashing those discordant oppositions - is that correct'?

'Yes sir, that is correct'

'Senator McCain - how are we to believe that you will be a President that makes good judgments in Iraq when you traveled there in March 2007 and during the course of that visit more than once you made the error of saying that Iran was training Al Qaeda - an enemy aligned to Sunni interests, and not to Shiite (Iranian) interests? How are we to have confidence in your ability to deal with the situation in Iraq if you appear ignorant of the most basic religious tensions in the area'?

'Well does it matter? Let's just bomb em all - have some good old muslim genocide and make off with their oil'.

'Err, ok - next question'.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 26, 2008 5:56 AM | Report abuse

So many Hillary Clinton supporters declare they will vote for Republican John McCain if Hillary doesn't win the DEMOCRATIC nomination.

WOW!

Is there no difference between Hillary and McCain? If not, please figure out a way to get them on the same ticket.

There will be no Republican, certainly not McCain, elected as president. Everybody knows the country is not, "going there."

We are all winners with Barack.

It's time to close the books on the Clinton's brand of politics, both they and the Republicans have done enough damage.

It's time to get serious about our "collective direction" instead of all this other stuff that gets in the way of our politics (to restate words of the Mr. Clinton).

Posted by: regleoboy | March 26, 2008 4:58 AM | Report abuse


MISSPOKE....

Just like OBAMA misspoke when he hadn't heard any controversial comments at his racist, separatist, american hating church....and then two days later he said he DID hear controversial comments.

At least with Senator Clinton you can excuse it because it was over 12 years ago. Obamas was only two days old.

So Obama should be the last one throwing stones.

Obama is also the one who has exaggerated his work on legislative bills and has exaggerated in his book....as his own characters have attested.


Obama claimed credit for a nuclear bill that was NEVER passed

Obama claimed credit for an immigration bill when in reality he wasn't that involved.

Obama claimed that he hadn't heard any controversial statements at his racist. hatred, anti-american church....and then two days later he said that HE DID hear controversial statements.

So if the best thing you can throw at Senator Clinton is that she made a mistake regarding Bosnia......then you need to focus on ALL the misspeak or lies that Senator Obama has said through out the campaign.

There are so many more Obama misspeak/lies if you want them I will be more than happy to list them for you!

Obama is not what America needs....we cannot trust him with America

Posted by: chulanow1 | March 26, 2008 4:57 AM | Report abuse

OK. It's now official: Mrs. Clinton has just made HER "spiritual mentor" legitimate campaign fodder.

Please just google "Doug Coe" and check him out.

(And just where is our "ever-so-eager to uncover the cult leader" media on this one?)

Posted by: miraclestudies | March 26, 2008 4:48 AM | Report abuse

The headline should be "Hillary's 'Dukakis Tank' moment" She lied about dodging bullets, which was an attempt to burnish her "commander-in-chief" image.

http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0309/lm10.html

Why is your headline about her changing the subject? What else on her resume is inflated?

Posted by: bnscientist | March 26, 2008 4:35 AM | Report abuse

He will be a very formidable opponent for Obama.

Posted by: HuckFinn | March 26, 2008 04:23 AM

I do not dispute that. But he believes in endless war and Bush-o-nomics. In my mind, that makes him insane.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 26, 2008 4:27 AM | Report abuse

Its funny how whiny people are always whining about other people whining. This is fun, isn't it?:>

Posted by: rebeccajohnson1 | March 26, 2008 4:27 AM | Report abuse

Well, the double standard continues to march on between gender/race or Clinton/Obama. Both mainstream and cable news carried the story about Clinton's 'mispoke about Bosnia' while only Fox carried the Wright's story. Clinton was called 'liar' while Obama was hailed as giving a history speech when he is not only killing the party, he is also divisive, by not answering these real questions:
1. why do you stay for 20 years?
2. why do you still appoint Wright your adviser even though you remove him from the big event of announcing your candidacy?
3. why do you still let your children go to the church to hear Wright's anti-white and anti-american preaching?
4. why do you not wear an American flag pin any more more?
5. why do you pick a new pastor who also believes in Wright teaching?
6. why do you do throw your grandma under the bus with a 'typical white person'
7. why do you incite the Blacks and throw them under the bus by making it sound like all Blacks believe in Wright teaching?
8. why do you contribute large sum of $ to Wright?
On top of this, Dean and Nancy who are anti-Clinton, are doing everything to tip the scale towards Obama including disfranchising Florida and Michigan.
Given this blatant discrimination, Clinton should be commended for fighting back! She may end up the 'savior' for the democrats because of many people are now very concerned about Obama's anti-american and anti-white's belief.

Posted by: cybervote | March 26, 2008 4:26 AM | Report abuse

** Anyone that would vote for McInsane regardless of circumstances
** is voting for 4 more years of Bush.
** Posted by: meg54136

There are two Republicans in the world I would even consider voting for: McCain & Lugar.

I really respect McCain for taking a sane position on Immigration, and in a damn election year!

I've voted for a Democrat for every office, in every election, for 30 years. If the Dem party comes back together, of course I will stick with it.

Meg, your characeture of "Insane McCain" is comical. I have followed and admired him for years, he is extremely intelligent and reasonable.

McCAin has been a high visibility person for 15 years, always on news shows and such. No amount of campaign name-calling will be effective. He will be a very formidable opponent for Obama.

Posted by: HuckFinn | March 26, 2008 4:23 AM | Report abuse

Uhhh, look, the bottom line is nobody can convert pledge delegates, there is no secret ballot, it won't happen.

Posted by: HuckFinn | March 26, 2008 04:09 AM

I agree, I'm just saying that Hillary and her campaign keep suggesting it. It speaks to her/their predisposition for changing the rules.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 26, 2008 4:21 AM | Report abuse

What is truly remarkable is the incapacity of those stupid "latte liberals" to get down from their Ivory Tower of wine and pastries and take some responsibility here.

Posted by: rebeccajohnson1 | March 26, 2008 03:52 AM

Just for the record rebecca, I'm a 52 year old white male who worked in paper mills for 25 years before going back to school after being downsized. I am hardly an Ivory Tower wine and pastries "latte liberal"

You on the other hand, are just another sad stupid Clinton drone with poor spelling and a whiny attitude.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 26, 2008 4:17 AM | Report abuse

@Meg:
Oh, that's right, Obama spell Nazi. I think you are confusing me with someone else

Posted by: rebeccajohnson1 | March 26, 2008 4:13 AM | Report abuse

** Even elected and caucus delegates are not required to stay
** with whomever they are pledged to.
**
** She said it, not me.
** Posted by: meg54136

I can't say for sure what she means. Pledged delegates are allowed to switch candidates after the first or second vote, perhaps that is what she is refering to.

Most likely her intention is to raise uncertainty in a general sense, but if specifically challenged, she would say that pledge delegates are bound by rule on the first ballot.

I can't exactly analyze what she said, probably just blowing smoke. I can say that the last time we climbed up this hill, about a month ago, it was clearly a false alarm.

Uhhh, look, the bottom line is nobody can convert pledge delegates, there is no secret ballot, it won't happen.

Posted by: HuckFinn | March 26, 2008 4:09 AM | Report abuse

I will probably be voting for McCain next fall, I don't think the moderate dems are welcome in the new regime.

Posted by: HuckFinn | March 26, 2008 04:01 AM

Anyone that would vote for McInsane regardless of circumstances is voting for 4 more years of Bush.

Again, that's your right Huck.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 26, 2008 4:07 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton is original. She will fight for the American people. She has the knowledge and the no how to put her plan's into action!
As president Hillary Cilnton will make this country great again....

Posted by: rebeccajohnson1 | March 26, 2008 03:52 AM


Hillary is original? LOL Hardly.

What is truly remarkable is the incapacity of those stupid "latte liberals" to get down from their Ivory Tower of wine and pastries and take some responsibility here.

Posted by: rebeccajohnson1 | March 26, 2008 03:52 AM

No how? Know how? How now brown cow?

rebecca really. You should learn to take responsibility for your own spelling before calling others stupid and regurgitating idiotic insults.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 26, 2008 4:02 AM | Report abuse

Why I like Hillary Clinton It's because she is an original. Hillary is not like JFK, she's not like MLK , and she's not like LBJ, She is like no one we have ever seen before.
** Hillary Clinton is original. She will fight for the American people.
** She has the knowledge and the no how to put her plan's into action!
** As president Hillary Cilnton will make this country great again....
** Posted by: rebeccajohnson1

Wonderful post! It has the side effect of making me very sad though, because it is highly unlikely that Hillary is going to win nomination.

I'd be quite satisfied to see Clinton as Obama's VP. I have a very high opinion of HRC, and think she would be a huge asset to Obama, both in uniting the party, and as a nuts-and-bolts leader once in office. She has a great reputation for working with people in the Senate. And she was a key advisor to a president for 8 years.

I'm very sad for the democratic party. It's going through a total melt down. I will probably be voting for McCain next fall, I don't think the moderate dems are welcome in the new regime.

Posted by: HuckFinn | March 26, 2008 4:01 AM | Report abuse

The Sins of the South- I was an Obama supporter until I really started to listen to the victimology of what the Obamas teach.
Why does Michelle make speeches and act like she was born in the turn of the century? She and her husband talk a lot of being victims! If the Obamas are in their forties, then that means they grew up in 1970s and 80s! .... They got all kinds of help growing up. I just got real turned off by the whole "I'm a victim" speech.
I woke up. I don't want to help a movement of victims. Like our country owes the Obamas something. I always liked Hillary, but now Hillary is my hero! We love her and we will fight with her all the way!
I wouldn't support or vote for the kkk .
Our country does not need to be run by victims crying about it all the time....
That somehow now all Americans should pay for the sins of the south.
I thought that is why Lincoln fought the Civil War !
Over Six Hundred thousand died. Didn't they pay with their blood and their lives.
Didn't Lincoln's assassination pay enough of a price for the sin of the south: slavery.
The assassination of one of the greatest men in American history, Dr Martin Luther King jr- was this not enough of a price? So many people have sacrificed payed with their lives making things right in this great and incredible country
The mindset of the Obamas and their pastor is wrong, wrong, wrong !
It is an underlining undertoe of a downward thought of hate and evil!
Dr Martin Luther King jr Would NOT have accepted this teaching, this preaching.

Posted by: rebeccajohnson1 | March 26, 2008 4:01 AM | Report abuse

The "converting pledge delegates" business was a false news story, as far as I can decipher.


Well actually it was Hillary herself who said this today:

In an interview with Newsweek, Hillary Clinton raised the specter of pledged delegates, nominated by voters, switching their votes at the Democratic Convention.

Q: How can you win the nomination when the math looks so bleak for you?


Hillary: It doesn't look bleak at all. I have a very close race with Senator Obama. There are elected delegates, caucus delegates and superdelegates, all for different reasons, and they're all equal in their ability to cast their vote for whomever they choose. Even elected and caucus delegates are not required to stay with whomever they are pledged to.

She said it, not me.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 26, 2008 3:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm a lifelong Democrat my very first vote was for Jessie Jackson. Why I like Hillary Clinton It's because she is an original. Hillary is not like JFK, she's not like MLK , and she's not like LBJ, She is like no one we have ever seen before.
Hillary Clinton is original. She will fight for the American people. She has the knowledge and the no how to put her plan's into action!
As president Hillary Cilnton will make this country great again....

Posted by: rebeccajohnson1 | March 26, 2008 3:52 AM | Report abuse

** We hear about Rev. Wright's racism 24/7, but there's nary a peep about
** Clinton's former pastor who's been convicted for sexual child abuse.
** posted by: robrtm2

Jeremiah WRight is a pretty unique situaton. His unpleasantness (as many perceive it) was right out in the open, over many years.

The wacko religous supporters, or the pastor's with secret dirty laundry, that stuff hardly compares.

And to be honest, Obama is a member of an all-black church, which is a little uncomfortable to some people. There's a big white-black cultural clash in style.

Posted by: HuckFinn | March 26, 2008 3:49 AM | Report abuse

I hate how Obama flits effortlessly between a Scoundrel and a Saint so effortlessly. This whole race issue is a perfect illustration of it.

The race row really started when Bill Clinton called Obama's Iraq stand a "fairy tale". Apparently this phrase "fairy tale" is racist in any context. Where was Obama's high flown pedantry when Bill was being cruelly turned into a racist over this?

Hillary tried to say that activists (such as MLK) require Presidents/legislators (LBJ) to convert policies into law. According to Obama this statement is tinged with racism. Where was Obama's contextualizing and preaching for forbearance then?

Another one of his spiritual advisors from Harvard writes an op-ed saying the 3am ad is racist! For the first time in my life I saw even Obama supporters uncomfortably shrugging off that claim. Did we hear anything from Obama? Any post-racial calls?

Geraldine Ferraro at worst was crudely trying to say that Obama wouldn't have come this far in the race without 80-90% of the African-American vote. Perhaps an imprudent statement but it was made in a paid speech in an insignificant forum and would hardly have been noticed if Obama's camp had not pushed it. She is merely one of Hillary's hilariously big finance team. Where was Obama's mature outlook towards race then? What was especially galling was Obama, in his dysfunctional union speech, trying to equate Wright's hateful, anti-American speech with Ferraro's remarks! Whoa! This guy is positively reptilian. I mean, chameleons have more consistency than this multi-faceted slickster. To compare the hate speech of a mentor/spiritual advisor of 20 years with mildly insensitive remarks of a woman tangentially connected to Hillary's campaign is really something. And he wanted Ferraro to resign straight-away. He came with hatchets at her. Look at the cold-blooded nature of people like David Axelrod who sought and got Ferraro's support several times in the past for minority candidates and is known to be her friend. No benefit of doubt for a friend. No respect for a former democratic vice-presidential nominee.

That Obama's candidacy is not dead right away (it soon will be, believe me) is to the "we know what is good for you" attitude of mainstream press like New York Times and Washington Post. That such intellectuals should be so naive is what is galls me. Did they really think a person who ginned up a real estate deal with a top-notch crook to add a 10 square foot of land to a $1.5 million dollar home is of any remarkable probity? How ding-dong in the head do you have to be to expect that such a person wouldn't be upto all sorts of other crookery?

And, of course, so it has been the last few weeks. All kinds of crookery. He relentlessly beats up Hillary for being supportive of NAFTA while his top economic aide comforts Canada - ah, don't worry, it's all campaign rhetoric. Approaching Iowa, he viciously beats up Hillary for not having a firm Iraq withdrawal date, for suggesting that such a date is hard to predict not knowing what she would inherit as president. Meanwhile, his top foreign-policy aide tells another ally that Obama wouldn't be relying on some withdrawal plan he has for the campaign trail!

I mean, in terms of crookery, Nixon, Rezko, Norman Hsu have nothing on this guy.

What is truly remarkable is the incapacity of those stupid "latte liberals" to get down from their Ivory Tower of wine and pastries and take some responsibility here. It is time, poets and star-gazers, to put aside sentimentalizing, and give us a hand as we throw this guy overboard. There is a policy on this ship, folks. No rats allowed. Put Hillary down, she's not the one and give us a hand over here.

Posted by: vishalg_99 | March 25, 2008 06:06 PM

***** 5 STARS THANKS

Posted by: rebeccajohnson1 | March 26, 2008 3:47 AM | Report abuse

** You mean like describing Obama supporters as bedazzled
** uninformed cultists supinely following their messiah?
** Something like that?
** Posted by: meg54136

you have a good sense of humor for an Obama supporter.

There is some truth to the "Messiah" cut, the devotion to him is intense.

I honestly think a joint ticket is the ONLY way out. I don't see any problem with the candidates making it work.

Posted by: HuckFinn | March 26, 2008 3:44 AM | Report abuse

So Clinton says, "[Wright] would not have been my pastor..You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend."

But it's OK for her old pastor to be a convicted sex abuser of a girl? Try this one on for size, Hillary:

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/election08/80486/

We hear about Rev. Wright's racism 24/7, but there's nary a peep about Clinton's former pastor who's been convicted for sexual child abuse.

Posted by: robrtm2 | March 26, 2008 3:39 AM | Report abuse

** Really? The Clinton camp has actively tried to diminish
** the significance of caucus states, small states, numerous states,
** popular vote, and now is suggesting basing the nomination on
** Electoral College rules and/or "converting" pledged delegates.
** Posted by: meg54136

Most of what you are talking about here are arguments made to the SuperDelegates, which really are subjective. They can choose to argue that Clinton has superior fashion sense if they care.
The "converting pledge delegates" business was a false news story, as far as I can decipher.

Clinton has been on shaky ethical grounds in arguing that the early primary votes should count. I assumed it to be just a bargaining position, but regardless, she has looked foolish.

Of course, now that Barack has blocked revotes, her shady position is certainly no more unfair than OBama's!

It's "politics as usual" on all sides.

Posted by: HuckFinn | March 26, 2008 3:37 AM | Report abuse

If Obama wants to win the election next fall, he and his supporters will have to reach-out to Clinton voters rather than demonize them.

Posted by: HuckFinn | March 26, 2008 03:29 AM

You mean like describing Obama supporters as bedazzled uninformed cultists supinely following their messiah?

Something like that?

Posted by: meg54136 | March 26, 2008 3:34 AM | Report abuse

** Your false indignation is your right Huck. Go vote for McInsane then.
** He's pro war just like Hillary, not much of a stretch for you.
** Posted by: meg54136

Actually, I will likely be taking you up on your suggestion!

There are plenty of moderate dems who like John McCain very much. And zillions of such people in the states of OH, MI and PA, states that Obama has to carry next fall to have an electoral college prayer.

I don't like McCain's war position, but frankly, I doubt the Dems can act much differently in the next four years. The U.S. President is constrained by facts on the ground.

If Obama wants to win the election next fall, he and his supporters will have to reach-out to Clinton voters rather than demonize them.

Posted by: HuckFinn | March 26, 2008 3:29 AM | Report abuse

The notion that Clinton tried to rewrite rules, or break rules, is rubbish.

Posted by: HuckFinn | March 26, 2008 03:21 AM

Really? The Clinton camp has actively tried to diminish the significance of caucus states, small states, numerous states, popular vote, and now is suggesting basing the nomination on Electoral College rules and/or "converting" pledged delegates.

You seem like an intelligent person, but with all due respect, that seems like selective rule observance or changes to me.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 26, 2008 3:29 AM | Report abuse

** Compromise to the Clintons means changing the rules
** and the metrics whenever it suits them. The state legislatures
** in Michigan and Florida are responsible for the problem.
** Sorry Huck, but you're as full of it as your Messiah Hillary.
** Posted by: meg54136

Meg, I was not thinking of you in particular in regard to Messiah talk.

The people responsible for the problem are politicians in the states, the DNC, and especially Howard Dean.

Having revotes in MI or FL would have been a fair correction to the problem. Barack is responsible in large measure for killing the revotes. They weren't a sure thing even with his cooperation, but they were impossible without his endorsement. Again, a long story, and one that hasn't been well documented in the press, but the facts and quotes are out there.

Hillary would have done the same thing if she had been in Obama's position, no doubt in my mind. You can't expect candidates to mediate their own election in the heat of battle, they will go for tactical advantage rather than fairness.

But Barack is stuck being the grubby politician this time.

Oh, and as far as "rules" go, Clinton never broke any rules, either did Obama, or any of the other candidates. The notion that Clinton tried to rewrite rules, or break rules, is rubbish.

Posted by: HuckFinn | March 26, 2008 3:21 AM | Report abuse

My Prayer is God bless and remember America. Though not American, like the rest of the World we have followed this particular election with the keenest of interest. It is evident this is a momentous and defining moment for America. Much as I have no doubt of the greatness of America as a Nation I have become increasingly concerned at the racial slurs being peddled in the name of patriotism. Please stop stooping that low. Its not easy but its possible.

I am Kenyan and have some first hand experience at how racial (ethnic, clanism etc) biases create blindspots and render the would be patriot ineffably myopic. That has been my greatest concern as I peruse most of Americas comments. WAKE UP AMERICA! Let not this madness overtake thee!

Praying Kenyan

Posted by: mwabsohms | March 26, 2008 3:18 AM | Report abuse

I personally don't give a damn about the Reverand. But don't expect him to go away, he will be a big focus next fall, paired with Michele's "first proud moment."

Posted by: HuckFinn | March 26, 2008 03:08 AM

And of course, you personally never watched the full videos of his sermons did you?

And you probably didn't see the interview with the Clintons former pastor.

Your false indignation is your right Huck. Go vote for McInsane then. He's pro war just like Hillary, not much of a stretch for you.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 26, 2008 3:17 AM | Report abuse

** Obama's speech seemed to satisfy the Press, but Clinton is hoping
** to drag it out again.
** Posted by: UrbanHillbilly

UrbanHillbilly, I think you are missing the big picture: The media LOVED Obama's speech and fawned over it for an entire week. Obama's ace-in-the-hole has been an adoring press core. But that doesn't reflect what is going-on among the public.

Regarding Jeremiah WRight: I keep hearing the strange argument that the ugly video clips only cover a few sermons, and aren't representative of the man's career. The more realistic view is that only a small percentage of his diatribes were captured and distributed on video - one wonders what else he's had to say when the cameras weren't rolling!

I personally don't give a damn about the Reverand. But don't expect him to go away, he will be a big focus next fall, paired with Michele's "first proud moment."

Posted by: HuckFinn | March 26, 2008 3:08 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: HuckFinn | March 26, 2008 02:50 AM

I have never suggested Obama is a Messiah. Unlike the odious Carville suggesting such prominence to Hillary the Liar.

Compromise to the Clintons means changing the rules and the metrics whenever it suits them. The state legislatures in Michigan and Florida are responsible for the problem.

Sorry Huck, but you're as full of it as your Messiah Hillary.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 26, 2008 2:59 AM | Report abuse

Umbria,

No not "Just Words" rather much closer to "Just the Truth" along with the hope that Reverend Wright's comments about AIDS are not eventually proven to be true as the Tuskegee Experiment was only proven to be true long after the actual fact of it.

Reverend Wright, as a Christian Minister, views America as a self-proclaimed Christian nation that is still requiring to be challenged to live up to the promise it was founded on and whose citizens sometimes mistakenly places its belief in its government above its belief in God.


What I find interesting is that in the "soundbite" sermons continuously being aired without context by the media, none of the media people opinionating or for that matter Senator Clinton herself offer an opinion as to what Reverend Wright is actually advocating his church members to do as a result of his fiery rhetoric. Listening to the "9/11" and the "God **** America" sermons in their entirety (for purpose of actually putting these selected soundbites in context) one will find that in the 9/11 sermon he ask them to take the time and undertake a self-examination of their individual relationship with God and a self-examination of their relationship with their immediate family and fellow church members given the understanding that as demonstrated in 9/11, tomorrow is promised to no one. He then asked them to give thanks to God for allowing them to live and spend another day with their family unlike all those who sadly perished on 9/11.

In reference to the volatile "God **** America" sermon, at the end of it he ask our government to consider making war to bring an end to racism, to improve the quality of education offered to our children, to provide quality health care for all Americans, and to lift up the poor from the depths of poverty rather than make war on a country and its people which and who had not attacked us.

In context, I do not believe his beliefs or advocacy is so different from the beliefs and advocacy embraced by a great many Christian Ministers whether they are black or white. Reverend Wright is a lot more forthright in his fiery delivery of this message but the message itself embodies more than less the same meaning as his more sedate peers put forth in theirs.

But when unnecessarily taken out of context for divisive political purposes, the true meanings of Reverend Wright's sermons are not only lost but easily deemed something they are not.

As far as Senator Clinton, she only needs to be reminded that Senator Obama's Reverend Wright is the same Reverend Wright that President Clinton invited to her own White House for the purpose of unburdening his sins upon and in turn asked forgiveness. Reverend Wright was one of one hundred selected highly regarded religious leaders of our nation invited to the White House (after obviously being vetted) to share breakfast and prayer with President Clinton at the time of his greatest soul-searching need for absolution.

This is an actual visit that apparently Senator Clinton has forgotten much like she has forgotten what her actual visit to Bosnia was like.

It is both sad and true that only Senator Clinton is insisting upon having both sides of anything and everything go her way at the same time regardless of the actual context or the actual truth of the issue of the moment.

Posted by: csfoster2000 | March 26, 2008 2:56 AM | Report abuse

** Tell Jocelyn and Michael in Michigan to complained to their Governor
** and state legislature about their asinine actions
** which caused all this non-sense.
** Posted by: ajtiger92

ajtiger92, you gave a detailed account of all the misteps that led to the fiasco in MI. Fine, people screwed up and should be held accountable.

But you're missing the point: a fair remedy to the fiasco was available, and it was within the existing rules. And Barack blocked it for his tactical reasons.

Maureen Dowd's column today chided Clintonites for comparing this situation to Florida 2000. I actually find Obama's deeds more nakedly cynical! At least the Supreme Court had the cover of some reasoning involving Equal PRotection.

The media has given Obama a pass on this outrage. Imagine the furor if Clinton had blocked revotes!! Good Lord! But the issue will not go away because the columnists ignore it, too many people are furious.

Barack Obama's supporters fancy themselves as uniters. But what they mean by "unite" is to join them and unite behind their Messiah. The reality of unity is more difficult: compromise, working with people you don't like, not completely demonizing and vanquishing other groups.

If Obama was a uniter, he would have INSISTED on counting votes in FL & MI to unify the party and legitimize his nomination.

If Obama was a uniter, he would not have responded to Clinton's hints about a split ticket with manufactured indignity: "How insulting to offer me the VP!" She never said anything about him being the VP.

The Obama crowd can't win without the moderate democrats, the Hillary voters they call "the fat people." Will they be wise enough to form a partnership? Doesn't look promising.

Posted by: HuckFinn | March 26, 2008 2:50 AM | Report abuse

I will never forget how OB, really feels.

Posted by: rebeccajohnson1 | March 26, 2008 02:37 AM

You never knew or will know how Obama feels because you aren't interested in learning the facts.

Myself, I will never forget that your queen Hillary voted for Bush's War, and refuses to renounce it.

So vote McInsane if it makes you feel better.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 26, 2008 2:49 AM | Report abuse

Hey mul how are your elk doing? I could show you an actual elk farm if you ever visit Wisconsin LOL

Posted by: meg54136 | March 26, 2008 2:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: oneworld67352 | March 26, 2008 02:23 AM

OK to the VRWC nuts. Hillary did not bang Monica or any women we know about.

Bill has a Dic* - Hillary does not.

Bill and Hillary did bang the GOP twice and got the stilt man elected vs your moron.

Again if you voted or thought about voting for bush you can not be on political blogs.

Posted by: mul | March 26, 2008 2:40 AM | Report abuse

500 Venomous, Slanderous, Biting, Acidic, Hateful, and DESTRUCTIVE Comments from one group of Libbies against Another! :-O

I cannot yet bring myself to say I Love you!

But I am AROUSED! I am so exited, I can't Stand up!-on my feet! ;~)

You KNOW what turns me ON! :)

Posted by: rat-the | March 26, 2008 2:38 AM | Report abuse

I think this Bosnia story is in a twisted way is good for Hillary. It reminds everyone that she was there she was everywhere. Been there done that. Hillary looks good in the old Bosnia vido clips. she has done more for Americans as First Lady then Bush ever could of as President!
The BO, Rev. Wright story will go down in the history books as what not to say about race.
For BO, to say" Typical White person" saying his grandmother made him cringe! But not by his pastor words of hate! It's going to be the infamous" the pastor disaster" This won't go away folk's. I will never forget how OB, really feels.

Posted by: rebeccajohnson1 | March 26, 2008 2:37 AM | Report abuse

I'm so fed up with the Clinton's it just makes me sick to think of them. Her campaign keeps coming up with scenarios in which she MIGHT win. How many more of these, "must win" scenarios do we need to see her through? If we wnated her as our candidate, the deal would be done. You and I both know that there is no way the DNC and the media would have let Barack linger and be this kind of drag on the process if he were in her situation.

We are being empathetic to a weaker candidate and it is all because she is a woman. The more patient we are with her, the weaker we also appear as a party and we also now know that she and her husband and that group of hoodlums called a campaign could care less about what it is doing to the party.

If ever I would run for a political office I surely would have sought the counsel of James Carville until his statement regarding Gov. Richards. I liked Carville but now I see something about him that has just turned me away.

I have never seen so many people who come before us with such straight-faced, thinly vieled diviseness.

This is beyond political gamesmanship; this is DIVIDE AND HOPE TO CONQUER from within and I hope,this time, it fails.

I don't want to see the Clinton's carrying on this mess in Washington which they will because this is what they know best; that which is the worst for the rest of us.

I'm sick of them and their tactics.

Posted by: regleoboy | March 26, 2008 2:26 AM | Report abuse

tony: were you in that church for every sermon that Obama and his children attended from the point that even the oldest child was old enough to understand what was being said from the pulpit? Do you know, without doubt, that Obama's children was present in sermons of the like that you are suggesting and were old enough to process the content therein?

If not - may I politely suggest that you shut your pie hole.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 26, 2008 2:26 AM | Report abuse

This is Hillary Clinton: Whitewater, Travelgate, Monica Lewinsky and impeachment, renting out the Lincoln bedroom, the loss of the Rose Law Firm billing records for nearly 2 years until they were miraculously found in the White House living quarters, removing files from Vince Foster's office following his suicide and before investigators could get there. Her stalling to release her full tax returns and earmark requests from her time in the Senate, as well as her Clinton library donors. Her apology to the African American community (for her campaigns racist comments) which came days too late. Her decline to return $170,000 in campaign contributions from individuals at International Profit Associates, or IPA accused of widespread sexual harassment, and whose CEO is a disbarred lawyer with a criminal record. Lets not forget her campaign eventually returned some $850,000 to Hong Kong businessman Norman Hsu who was found to be a fugitive in a 15-year old theft case. He was indicted for fraud related to his campaign contributions in 2007. Her failed inclusion and diplomacy with congress on her universal health care bid. Her subsequent surrender and alignment to the health care industry. Her flip flop on NAFTA. Her flip flop on Iraq. Her flip flop on Florida and Michigan. Her exaggerated foreign policy experience. Playing the race card better than Republicans could. Clinton photo with Rezko. Clinton photo and prayer breakfast with Rev Wright. Her lie about Bosnia. Her failure to get the endorsement of close friend Bill Richardson. Her flip flop on pledged delegates and superdelegates. Encouraging party elite to vote against the will of the people - "I believe strongly that in a democracy, we should respect the will of the people and to me, that means it's time to do away with the Electoral College and move to the popular election of our president." - Hillary Clinton in 2000

Posted by: oneworld67352 | March 26, 2008 2:23 AM | Report abuse

After SNL made fun of Obama

"Why Me"

Posted by: mul | March 26, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

The Tonya Harding metaphor is unbelievably apt.

Posted by: davestickler | March 25, 2008 11:49 PM

After Obama got found out in one of his lies and lost Ohio.

"Why Me"

Posted by: mul | March 26, 2008 2:20 AM | Report abuse

It seems Obams Preacher has gone into hiding to avoid the Press. The black David Duke can yell & scream about white people but he's scared to face the Press. Why doesn't the Press ask Obama his feelings towards Whites. They're probably the same as his Preacher Rev Wright. Do all Black Churches preach Hate ?

Posted by: gatorsn09 | March 26, 2008 2:17 AM | Report abuse

no straightmedia - your error is in equating Obama as the same person as Wright, an erroneous conclusion if ever there was one.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 26, 2008 2:09 AM | Report abuse

Meg - the 2 million donors is a point I am very happy to be corrected on :)

For and by the American people - accountable to the American people - democracy as it should be.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 26, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

straightmedia: the unfortunate reality is that the majority of American people have demonstrated short-sightedness and stupidity - not just in the past, but at threat of perpetuating now.

There is a healthy population of enlightened Americans, though I fear their numbers are not strong enough against the ignorant and self destructive members of the populace who allow themselves to be manipulated - via their prejudices, simple thinking, conditioning and lack of attention - against their own better interests.

If I could, I would create a new island or continent for those good and aware Americans to live on so that they don't have to have their reputation held to ransom by those whose actions and attitudes harm them - I feel for them so deeply.

That is why the world had the blight of another 4 years of Bush cast upon them. To say we are beyond the end of our rope is an understatement. The American public MUST show more responsible voting or the world simply cannot trust America as a guiding light anymore - there will be a turning away and reinvesting in other relationships.

I know that many Americans are insular within their own country, within the propaganda fed out to it, but you also need to realize that this election is not just a referendum on the Bush administration but on America. The rest of the world has made their preference for Obama clear - they've heard what he has to say about what needs to change and 100% he is the only one that has hit the nail on this.

Your choice is very simple. Choose Obama and restore America's greatness in the world, or choose otherwise and learn to accept the coldness of the world shoulder presented to you.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 26, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: straightmedia | March 26, 2008 01:34 AM

Are you svreader's clone? Your statements suggesting Obama is a racist are ridiculous. Operator and charlatan? You must mean Hillary of course.

Hate to break it to you but Hillary's already lost. She needs 65% of all the remaining primaries and 70% of the remaining superdelegates. And if she somehow stages a party coup, she can't win the general anyway.

Hillary is unelectable. Now go put on your McInsane button like the other good little trolls.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 26, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Wright's speeches worked so well for Clinton, she just wanted to stir up the whole thing again. Obama's speech seemed to satisfy the Press, but Clinton is hoping to drag it out again. Pretty much, when the Media is done with something, it's done. Now the Media may just start focusing on Clinton's desperation. When a canpaign starts calling on pledged delegates to defect, it's over. Were Clinton a strong candidate, Obama would have never had a chance.

Posted by: UrbanHillbilly | March 26, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

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With a little "Deep Analysis" of the Jerimiah Wrights "branding" (to borrow Carvilles Slave era term)by Fox News, A deep thinker might ask would why would any church grow as this one did? To listen to the same 30 second loop repeated twice per minute for up to 45 minutes would be an extremly hard sermon to sit through for one Sunday. So why does FOX News insist that anyone (let alone Obama) could tolerate that torture for 1024 Sundays. How could this message repeated 92,160 times(90/sunday x 1024 Sundays) be enough to grow that church or any church.

It is an insult to ones intelligence to even try to conceive that the message from the Pulpit of that church was the same 30 seconds that I saw in the Loop-fest. My theory is Fox News particularly Bill O'rielly wants Blood in the Streets. This building "Race War" against the Black Church is brewing and no one wants to admit it. The constant badgering by O'rielly and his network on Jerimiah Wright and his church is an obvious declaration of War on Black People. All commerce will stop save up your money your medicines make sure you are protected. At the rate things are going by this summer Fox news will have caused the Great Melting pot to "Boil Over".


Who would have thought the serious chance of a "Mixed race" president would be the igniter of such racial attacks. O'rielly has got the "Green Light" from NewsCorps to whip up White hate for Blacks on his program. There is no way to stop the momentum of his actions and he will not stop. The Power of the Fox News on black life in America will be monumental, O'rielly has sent out marching orders to radical goons who wait in the shadows. O'rielly is dangerous that's just a fact.


Posted by: Thatwasntfunny | March 26, 2008 1:38 AM | Report abuse


The flap over the Reverend Wright has really hit Obama hard:

In the week before the media frenzy over Wright, Obama and McCain were essentially tied in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.

Less than a week later, and two days after Obama's speech, McCain had opened a seven-point lead over Obama. Significantly, by Thursday's polling, McCain had pulled slightly ahead of Obama among unaffiliated voters. McCain also enjoys unified support from Republican voters while Obama only attracts 65% of Democratic votes at this time.

Obama's favorable ratings have also fallen below the 50% mark since the world learned of his former Pastor. This can be seen as part of a larger trend that began shortly after Obama's victories in the Wisconsin Primaries. At that time, just before Hillary Clinton began raising questions about her competitor, Obama was viewed favorably by 56% of voters nationwide. That had slipped to 52% just before Pastor Wright's views became big news and to 47% just before Obama's speech. Two days after the speech, Obama's favorables remain at 48%.

What is most shocking are Obama's favorable/unfavorable ratings. Back in January, Obama had an unfavorable rating of 36%. The fact that it is now over 50% tells us something very significant; the more voters get to know Obama, the less they like him.

This really throws a monkey wrench into the Democratic race. There is virtually no chance that Hillary Clinton will be able to surpass Obama in pledged delegates by the end of the primary season although she may come very close in popular vote.


http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/03/mccain_rising_obama_tanking_in.html

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Posted by: straightmedia | March 26, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

jaykay I applaud your insightful posts, but I slightly disagree on one small point.

The fact: Obama's campaign is 100% owned by the American people, over 1.5 million small donors. Not only has this been successful but it has set fund raising records.

I believe it's actually going to be over two million donors this week. :)

Posted by: meg54136 | March 26, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

-- I came to the conclusion that humankind had forgotten its kinship to one another and that unity and reconciliation was our only saving grace. ---

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Rev. Wright has held and spewed a racially
divisive ideology, that Obama attended for
20 years. First he tried to say he hadn't
heard it before he announced 1/07, then
he changed his story to admit he'd been
in the pews for "some" of it.

Obama could have objected, taken a stand,
left. Instead, he looked the other way.

Some unity candidate / leader of men.

The guy tried to work both sides of
the political table. It blew up on him.
He is an operator and charletan, not
a warrior of convictions.

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Posted by: straightmedia | March 26, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

And for those of you having the gall to suggest that Obama has benefited from having a darker shade of skin or that double standards are at play - if you were honest with yourself you would know that the double-standards have been played against Obama, not the reverse:

1/ The status quo says: 'you cannot run an election without the traditional way that funds are raised - through Corporations, special interests and the like'.

The fact: Obama's campaign is 100% owned by the American people, over 1.5 million small donors. Not only has this been successful but it has set fund raising records. Politicians DO NOT need corporate/special interest buy offs to compete in an election.

2/ Obama has only won based on the support of African Americans.

The fact: Alaska, Wisconsin, Colorado, Iowa, and others belie this as a truth.

3/ Clinton is more electable than Obama.

The fact: primary polls to date, even after the Wright controversy, have shown Clinton losing to McCain. While the Wright controversy had a negative impact on Obama, he still performed better against McCain. Therefore, Clinton is hurting Obama without improving her own position. This is a poisonous path for the Democratic party - one that needs to be immediately nipped in the bud.

4/ Clinton camp still maintains that the nomination is winnable by her and worthwhile months more of intra-party bloodshed to prove true.

The fact: Obama has an unassailable lead in earned delegates - he is the clear winner, having won 30 contests to date - already a majority of the contests. If Edwards was in this position, would Clinton have continued?

5/ The remaining 10 primaries will be a judgment about how strong Obama is positioned as a candidate to lead the country.

The fact: The Clinton camp is double teaming with the Republicans on Obama. Republican voters, their nominee decided, have - since and including TX and OH - been infecting the outcomes of the Democratic Primaries and will continue to do so whether those primaries are open or closed (note - Reps wanting to muddy Dem waters had until 24th March to switch party to meddle). In what past election cycle has this been an acceptable practice that the super-delegates did not act against?

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 26, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Actually I think the whole mess is the DNC's falut, specially in Florida. The whole process should be changed anyway. Caucuses are archaic and ridiculous, everybody should have the right for privacy when they want to vote.
It would be very easy to establish a timeline by lottery and than not the same 2 or 3 tiny states would decide who will be the next president.

Posted by: evelyn3091 | March 26, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Anyone that have the poor (horrible) judgment to take his young children to a church that preach such bigotry towards their fellow citizens do not deserve to lead this country.He is guilty of creating a new generation of bigots like his pastor.While the country was still grieving the tragedy of 911,his pastor blamed america for it and he refuse to denounce this pastor.This democrat who lived in NY will never forget that day and will never vote for Obama.Hillary or McCain is our only choice.

Posted by: tony1161 | March 26, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

straightmedia...the anger you are expressing is mis-directed. You are blaming Obama for following the rules of the DNC. Hillary was in favor of those rules when she was the "inevitable" nominee.

The DNC laid out the penalties for Michigan and Florida if they moved there primaries ahead of February 5th. Florida under a Republican Governor and state legislation moved up their primary. The Florida Democrats in the state legislature could have voted against this legislation and kept the final document from being signed by the Republican Florida Governor. More importantly in Michigan, the Michigan Democrats in the state legislature could have voted against this legislation and kept the final document from being signed by the Democratic Michigan Governor. Another roadblock could have come from the Democratic Governor of Michigan. She could have vetoed the legislation, but being a Hillary supporter she didn't.

Tell Jocelyn and Michael in Michigan to complained to their Governor and state legislature about their asinine actions which caused all this non-sense.

Posted by: ajtiger92 | March 26, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

-- Well isn't that sweet. They voted. With only Hillary on the ballot. --

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The petition is to revote MI and FL.

The couple from MI whom I cited, make
the point that Obama opposes them getting
another chance.

Golly, wonder if that could be related
to the fact that Obama loses every big
state except IL...


http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/seatourdelegates/signatures.html


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Posted by: straightmedia | March 26, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

For six weeks, from the beginning of December, I embarked upon learning about ancient civilization up to modern times. At the end I came to the conclusion that humankind had forgotten its kinship to one another and that unity and reconciliation was our only saving grace.

It was only then that I learnt enough about Obama to put together his responses to my challenges to Clinton (aligned) and his message of unity being needed. This came together for me in January and I have fought for him ever since. I expect him to he held accountable to deliver on these things, at the very least to set the pathway forward that is likely to exist beyond his lifetime. I support him because I know neither Clinton or McCain 'get it' and we desperately need a leader that does.

I've also come to respect his intellect, the more that I have learnt about him.

Both Clinton and McCain are ill choices to follow this foul wind that represents the last 8 years for America and the rest of the world.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 26, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

-- First, I can't believe she, a professed democrat, would re-open an issue that was eloquently CLOSED. --

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LOL. If you think the electorate has
forgotten that Obama spouted racial unity
while he patronized a racially divisive
lunatic for 20 years, locate a clue.

Check the blogs: still on it even when
the topic is Hillary, Richardson, or
any political matter.

He is a hypocrite, and Americans know
one when they see one.

After Obama is blown out in PA, check
back here and tell us all how he "will
be president"...


;-)

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Posted by: straightmedia | March 26, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: straightmedia | March 26, 2008 12:55 AM


Well isn't that sweet. They voted. With only Hillary on the ballot. Sign away, along with the obviously intelligent Jocelyn and Michelle. Join the GOP. You won't be missed.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 26, 2008 1:06 AM | Report abuse

Here is an entry from the MI / FL petition;

Jocelyn and Michael in Michigan - We are so furious with Barack Obama at this point in time that we have both made a pact NOT to vote for him in November if he is the nominee for the Democrats. We've had enough of this absurdity. We VOTED. And this freshman rookie Senator from Illinois doesn't want our votes to count? To hell with him.

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There you have it. Sign at;

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/seatourdelegates/signatures.html


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Posted by: straightmedia | March 26, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

Once again a very detailed a long post from me has not posted properly on this discussion board.

svreader, this was posted by me on the Des Moines Register in mid July 2007. At the time I posted it I was behind Clinton:

'What I would like to also see on there is a review of foreign policy in the past - including policy and it's impacts prior to the Bush Administration. It would also be good to see an interest in discussing with various countries what America could change in regards to its foreign policy that would lead to restoring its reputation and raise its international regard - including in middle eastern countries.

There also needs to be an honest review of the extent to which a small group of people from big money corporations and financial institutions have been influencing American foreign policy and political agendas. They have always been big contributors to political campaigns but this creates a real conflict of interest. I think there needs to be greater separation between governance and these institutions. It would be good to see more initiatives that aim to build capacity within America that a large number of average American people have a stake in and through which they can democratically vote for contributions to political campaigns. This would give the politicians running for office the funds they need while also still representing the voice of the people of America and not just the goals of a select few.'

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 26, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

HILLARY - YOU'RE A LIAR. Don't ask us to believe you are taking some sort of "moral" stance on the Obama/Wright issue. Worry about your own church and your own soul.

Posted by: MarthaP1 | March 26, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

HILLARY - YOU'RE A LIAR. Don't ask us to believe you are taking some sort of "moral" stance on the Obama/Wright issue. Worry about your own church and your own soul.

Posted by: MarthaP1 | March 26, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

HILLARY - YOU'RE A LIAR. Don't ask us to believe you are taking some sort of "moral" stance on the Obama/Wright issue. Worry about your own church and your own soul.

Posted by: MarthaP1 | March 26, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

On a more serious note, I really hope everyone is watching the current Frontline series on Bush's War.

You know, that little 6 year conflagration in Iraq that Hillary voted for, and her qualified pal McCain voted for, and she STILL will not disavow?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/

Horrifying it its detail.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 26, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Svreader,

I'm really impressed with those great Washington contacts. Why, with such great inside info, are your posts so uniformly content free?

Posted by: orrg1 | March 26, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, why? Why are you the way you are?

First, I can't believe she, a professed democrat, would re-open an issue that was eloquently CLOSED. Now, she looks petty.

Second, she has no ground to talk. Her "chosen" husband was accused of rape!! Rape!! Not to mention, he enterntained an intern that was less than half his age. Why didn't she "choose" someone else?

Everyone, Obama is going to be the next President. I am glad that Hillary is always around to remind us why.

Posted by: ChrisStewart | March 26, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, why? Why are you the way you are?

First, I can't believe she, a professed democrat, would re-open an issue that was eloquently CLOSED. Now, she looks petty.

Second, she has no ground to talk. Her "chosen" husband was accused of rape!! Rape!! Not to mention, he enterntained an intern that was less than half his age. Why didn't she "choose" someone else?

Everyone, Obama is going to be the next President. I am glad that Hillary is always around to remind us why.

Posted by: ChrisStewart | March 26, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Hillary, Hillary, Hillary, why? Why are you the way you are?

First, I can't believe she, a professed democrat, would re-open an issue that was eloquently CLOSED. Now, she looks petty.

Second, she has no ground to talk. Her "chosen" husband was accused of rape!! Rape!! Not to mention, he enterntained an intern that was less than half his age. Why didn't she "choose" someone else?

Everyone, Obama is going to be the next President. I am glad that Hillary is always around to remind us why.

Posted by: ChrisStewart | March 26, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Anyone that takes their young children to listen to this kind of racial hatred is only creating a new generation of bigots.Don't despair all of you who believe Obama is not fit to lead this country,stay home or vote McCain.This democrat is doing exactly that.

Posted by: tony1161 | March 26, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton is the most dirty politician among democrats in recent history. Her negative campaign based on deceptions and lies should disgust any decent democrat, or voter in general, to vote for her for the nomination or during a general election.

Fortunately, even insiders in her campaign confirm that the chances for her to win the nomination are slim to none: see the articles

CLINTON'S CHANCES VIRTUALLY NIL...

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?bid=45&pid=301838

STORY BEHIND THE STORY: THE CLINTON MYTH

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9149.html

So Hillary now understands that she will not win the nomination and she is playing for 2012 by making sure that the democrats will lose in 2008.

Let's hope that the superdelegates will put an end the campaign of this kamikaze who believes in ressurection; after all, she is supposed to be Jesus or one of his associates if Bill Richardson is Judas.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 26, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Enough of fighting and divisiness of the Democratic Presidential Nomination process! Nancy Pelosi said one week ago that any hopes of an Obama/Clinton or Clinton Obama ticket is dead and that the Superdelegates should not overturn the primary and caucus results. Harry Reid said today that the nomination will be settled after the primaries are over and way before the national convention.

If I read between the lines the uncommitted superdelegates are starting to lead towards Obama. If Obama wins 6 of the 10 voting contests left (including NC and Indiana), then the superdelegates flock to Obama by the time Puerto Rico voting is done.

My fellow democrats we all need to put aside these personal attacks on each other's candidate. This primary campaign timeframe has slipped into the gutter because Obama is leading in all categories as laid out in the DNC rules, and Hillary is not. At the end of the day, one of these two democrats (hopefully Obama) will be running against a 5-foot 7-inch, 71-year old POW Republican who will look like a Bush-Cheney Republican.

Posted by: ajtiger92 | March 26, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 26, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Svreader quotes from the Sun-Times, about a supposed scandal that looks pretty thin on the face of it:

Here is what the Sun-Times, which certainly is no friend of Obama's, had to say after he sat down for a recent 80 minute interview in which no question was off limits:

"Better late than never.

Barack Obama came home Friday and faced up to the questions about his friend Tony Rezko that he's been ducking for more than a year.

I'm sure he'd disagree with the characterization he's been ducking, but, either way, I don't think anybody at this newspaper can make the claim any longer that he hasn't answered our inquiries after an exhaustive 80-minute interview session Friday evening. I won't.

He patiently took all comers, and, when it was over, the biggest outstanding question was why he hadn't done so sooner.

....................

One of the things we learned in the process of preparing to talk with Obama is that even the reporters and columnists at the Sun-Times have a difference of opinion as to the important avenues of inquiry in the Rezko story. The more minds, the better. Just the same, even if he holds a press conference, I doubt the others will get much further than we did.

Obama made the point that if this is the worst thing we can find about him after 12 years in Chicago politics, then he's done pretty well.

Admitting he made a mistake with Rezko, Obama added: "Does it speak to a trend of mine? No.""

http://www.suntimes.com/news/brown/844635,brown031508.article

and

"Watching Obama as he answered questions from this paper's reporters and editorial board, I was struck by two things.

One, how much better it would have been if he had offered these details earlier. Because the senator's description of his relationship with Rezko is entirely plausible.

"My guard would have been up had I seen a pattern of him asking for favors, or even being obtrusive. He wasn't one of these people who wanted pictures taken all the time," said Obama, "or was calling you to show up for things. He was a very gracious individual."
Then again, Obama admits with regard to the land deal, "There is no doubt, it was a mistake."

There were clearly a lot of things about Rezko that should have been setting off alarms somewhere in the vicinity of the senator or the law firm with which he was associated. The low-income housing Rezko was developing was going belly up, and some of it was in Obama's district. But for whatever reason, Obama didn't know.

I believe that too."

http://www.suntimes.com/news/marin/844638,carol031508.article

Hmmm, but doesn't this go to Obama's bad judgement? Oh crap, I have to admit the guy's not omniscient! Guess what, some of us here don't think he's running for God, despite svreader's patronizing comments.

Posted by: orrg1 | March 26, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

It costs me a fortune in lost time to post here.

Good luck finding a job.

You're charming.

Posted by: svreader | March 26, 2008 12:34 AM

LOL in other words, spewing lies and smears on the internets is the only job you can get.

You go Doc, you're quite the peach yourself LOL

Posted by: meg54136 | March 26, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

Good night, Obama supporters.

Enjoy talking to yourselves.

Posted by: svreader | March 26, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

SNIPER FIRE coming down. Wanting to look International & Presidential, Hillary Clinton lies about something like this. How does someone forget something such as being Shot at But even worse, HOW Does someone imagine they were shot/Sniper fired AT when it never happened ? Is this a Alzhemier's moment ?? What's going on ?

I know, I know, it's the kitchen sink strategy, do anyting to get elected.

Posted by: cscfr | March 26, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

meg --

It costs me a fortune in lost time to post here.

Good luck finding a job.

You're charming.

Posted by: svreader | March 26, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

wly --

I researched all the candidates in detail, and used my contacts in Washington to get detailed references on all of them.

The references on Obama were uniformly negative.

They all said he spent all of his time focusing on his image and didn't care at all about policy issues.

Its moot anyway.

He's toast.

Posted by: svreader | March 26, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Hey svreader, a serious question.

After I get my doctorate in June, where can I get a job posting lies and garbage 24/7 on my home computer, and how much does it pay?

I only ask because you obviously got one. Not that I'm really interested, but maybe the bottom has fallen out of the PhD job market when I wasn't looking.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 26, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

svreader, you are misled and hopeless. But that is your problem. My advice is to read up with a mind that is not predjudiced for either candidate and then make a decision.
I'm off to bed and will be hoping that you will take this advice to heart. If not, just think, I will not support a liar that is ruining my party. Good Night.

Posted by: wly34 | March 26, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

People are finding out who Barry Obama really is and they don't like what they see.

He's a slick, slimy, Chicago politician.

The only color he cares about is the green of money.

Obama constantly took credit for bills he wasn't even involved with, starting back in Chicago, and he showed he has absolutely no shame by grabbing the microphone and talking about getting up for 7am meetings about bills that he never even went to.

Obama lied about Rezko on national TV during the debates.

Obama lied about Rev. Wright.

Barry Obama has pulled the biggest "con-job" in history by using his "new kind of politics" pitch to stop the press from looking into his past.

Republicans won't be the least bit shy about doing what the press has failed to do so far.

If we Democrats nominate him, we're going to lose by a landslide.

He's a slick politician.

Just like Bush.

He got elected in Chicago by forcing everyone else off the ballot.

Now he's trying to prevent FL and MI voters from having their votes count.

Just like Bush did with Florida.

There is no way Obama's going to win any national election after his "typical white person" comment.

It shows what he thinks of whites, and it obvious that he doesn't think much of them.

It doesn't matter how many votes or delegates he had before.

Now that people know what's in his heart, there's no way he can win a national election.

Republicans would loop his "typical white person" quote over and over and over.

And it would be over for Democrats.

Posted by: svreader | March 26, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Hillary CLINTON'S Experience:

- FBI files misappropriated by the White House: c. 900
- Estimated number of witnesses quoted in FBI files misappropriated by the White House: 18,000
- Number of witnesses who developed medical problems at critical points in Clinton scandals investigation (Tucker, Hale, both McDougals, Lindsey): 5
- Problem areas listed in a memo by Clinton's own lawyer in preparation for the president's defense: 40
- Number of witnesses and critics of Clinton subjected to IRS audit: 45
- Number of names placed in a White House secret database without the knowledge of those named: c. 200,000
- Number of women involved with Clinton who claim to have been physically threatened (Sally Perdue, Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey, Linda Tripp, Elizabeth Ward Gracen, Juantia Broaddrick): 6
- Number of men involved in the Clinton scandals who have been beaten up or claimed to have been intimidated: 10

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 26, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Tell me who your friends are and I will tell you who you are.When the GUEST pastor spoke derisively about another religion,it took me less than 2 seconds to sternly tell my son beside me to never listen to that pastor. He sat there for 20 years while his guru spoke harshly about the country he is seeking to lead as commander in chief.all this while ground Zero is still contained the bodies of those brave firemen.And took his young children to hear this guru spew hatred upon the people that he said he will unite.What kind of father possess such poor judgment and claims to have the right judgment from day one.it nauseates me to think that this bigot might reside in the white house.God save America indeed.

Posted by: tony1161 | March 26, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

meg --

Your posts discredit you so completely there's nothing I can do to make you look any worse.

Posted by: svreader | March 26, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

How can you be sure that what a liar tells you today isn't just another lie? Can Hillary convince us that she is not lying this time when she says that she would have left Rev. Wright's church? Two things make me believe that she is lying one more time. First, she said that, while we don't choose our relatives, we choose our church and friends. That is true. But she forgot to mention that we also choose our spouses. Why didn't she leave Bill Clinton when Bill's sexual misconduct with Monica Lewinsky became a fact? Yet Bill is not Hillary's relative, but a spouse she chose and whom she can leave anytime she wants to! What difference is there between Hillary's decision not to leave Bill and Obama's decision not to leave Rev. Wright's church? At least Obama denounced rev. Wright's discourse in the strongest terms. But Hillary never denounced Bill's sexual misconduct. Second, when everybody in America was talking about rev. Wright's issue, Hillary said she would keep off the discussion. Today, in an attempt to divert the public mind from her lie about her Bosnia experience, she wants to resuscitate and get involved in rev. Wright's discussion. This begs one question: Was Hillary truthful or lying when she said that she would not get involved in any discussion about rev. Wright? There is an old saying about this: "you cannot chase the wind, and you cannot change a person's natural character". A liar will always lie, no matter how hard she/he tries to do the opposite. Hillary is a liar. She has lied too many times and one of her lies has just been established with regard to her self-claimed experience in Bosnia.

Posted by: ngoma12 | March 26, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

wly --

Nothing can save Obama's campaign.

Its over.

That's good for the country.

He would have been even worse than Bush.

Look at the NYT article about his time in the senate.

They tried to put it as kindly as possible.

Look at the WP article on his grabbing credit for Bills he never worked on, and the comments he did the same thing in Chicago.

He's a very slick politician, that's all.

He's not the guy you thought he was.

Posted by: svreader | March 26, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

And, let's not forget, the congress was controlled by Republicans during the Clinton administration. They came into power shortly after he was elected and were still in power when he left. They make the laws and control the budget, not the executive branch.

And no, I'm not a Republican.

Posted by: wly34 | March 26, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

34, you'd be crazy to vote for mccain. I just don't understand that! So, you're saying you'd rather have the likes of mccain than Obama in the white house rather than Obama. I don't know who you are but I sure don't believe you're what you say you are...A democrat. No dem should put a republican in the white house. That's just doesn't make sense...No, not at ALL.

Posted by: x4faith | March 26, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

If you are, I'm not very impressed by their choice of students if your way of discussing things is typical of your fellow grad students.

Posted by: svreader | March 26, 2008 12:05 AM

And I'm not very impressed by the approval or disapproval of a liar and smear monger as to my school.

Tell me svreader, who at UC-Berkeley actually approves a dissertation by a copy and paste liar?

Is there a doctoral program in Noxious Propaganda at UCB nowadays?

Posted by: meg54136 | March 26, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

svreader, the economy during the Clinton reign were due to the dot.com boom and his cutting of money for the military. If you think otherwise, you are mistaken.

Posted by: wly34 | March 26, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

JayKay --

JayKay --

Obama supporters often sound like stoned college students.

They think trivial things are deep, and deep things, trivial.

America has serious problems.

We need people who know what they're doing.

Like a lot of Obama supporters, you're in love.

That's not the way to choose a President.

Posted by: svreader | March 26, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

RECORDS SET by Clintons

- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 26, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

The second Bush held the world to ransom, the second Clinton is attempting to do the same.

The world can ill afford the mistake of the last 8 years to be repeated by the mistake of the coming 8.

Obama is the leader that you need. It has little to do with the color of his skin, but rather the quality of his character and the calibre of his mind.

A candidate chosen by prejudice bears the fruit of the prejudice that carried them. Given that Obama cannot be the President without the support of a diverse coalition of Americans, he cannot be a candidate chosen by simple prejudice - but a candidate chosen for quality and character. The world needs you to make the quality choice and to not fall for the tactics that got you into hot water in the first place.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 26, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Quote: "20 years will that racist pastor.17 with his corrupt financier.these are the people that Obama has chosen to surround himself and his young children with by choice.let us not make the mistake of electing this bigot to the white house.this democrat will vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee."

Well, there is one vote for McCain. Obama has not been accused of anything in the Rezco affair. Listen to Rev. Wrights complete sermons before you speak. Obama is not on trial. Wright is not on trial. The Clintons are on trial in California for fraud and when all is finished in April, she will be thrown out by her own party.

Posted by: wly34 | March 26, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

svreader...I bet you haven't seen the major part of that sermon in which the one 10-second sound bite was taken that's been playing over-and-over again on FOX NEWS, and major media outlets last week.

svreader...I'm sure you are the perfect human who has never made any mistakes and never said anything that could be perceived as racist, anti-semitical or anti-American. You still probably believe Bill Clinton when he pointed his finger and said on national TV "I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN, MS. LEWSINKI!" And Hillary had been married 27 years to Bill Clinton and had no idea Bill was having affairs and sexual harrassment allegations against him in the 1980s and 1990s. Talk about dishonesty and poor judgement. No self-respecting woman would allow herself to be made a fool of as Hillary Clinton has from 1980s to 2000.

Posted by: ajtiger92 | March 26, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

why34 --

Scroll up to see my post on the Rev Wright Video, which contains a link to one of his videos. There are many of them.

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Channel 5, Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

How do you explain away the fact that Barry Obama never followed up on the 11 slums that his friend Rezko was supposed to repair in Obama's district in Chicago, and continued to do nothing about the 40 slums that Rezko was supposed to repair or replace in Chicago, even after Obama joined the US Senate?

From the Chicago Sun Times:

For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago's South Side.

It was just four years after the landlords -- Antoin "Tony'' Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru -- had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.

Rezko and Mahru couldn't find money to get the heat back on.

But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building....

The building in Englewood was one of 30 Rezmar rehabbed in a series of troubled deals largely financed by taxpayers. Every project ran into financial difficulty. More than half went into foreclosure, a Chicago Sun-Times investigation has found.

"Their buildings were falling apart,'' said a former city official. "They just didn't pay attention to the condition of these buildings.''

Eleven of Rezko's buildings were in Obama's state Senate district....

Rezko and Mahru had no construction experience when they created Rezmar in 1989 to rehabilitate apartments for the poor under the Daley administration. Between 1989 and 1998, Rezmar made deals to rehab 30 buildings, a total of 1,025 apartments. The last 15 buildings involved Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland during Obama's time with the firm.

Rezko and Mahru also managed the buildings, which were supposed to provide homes for poor people for 30 years. Every one of the projects ran into trouble:

* Seventeen buildings -- many beset with code violations, including a lack of heat -- ended up in foreclosure.

* Six buildings are currently boarded up.

* Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.

* Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.

* At least a dozen times, the city of Chicago sued Rezmar for failure to heat buildings.

Posted by: svreader | March 26, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

svreader: nothing could be further from the truth of Obama supporters being arrogant and close minded.

Do you see how America has bled these past decades - the unraveling of all that made her great? Do you see or hear the voices ringing out in America and all across the world, yearning for a leader like Obama?

Do you see this energy - so very wide spread - and yet wish to demean it as empty?

If you do not see, Sir, perhaps you need to reflect on whether you are closed minded.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 26, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

And who is it that goes around and accuses the brethern? Figure that one out and you will know who Clintons really are and whose name they come in. Woe to they who accuse the brethern

Posted by: MissClarty | March 26, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

DEMOCRATS...Can WE please unify? If we don't we'll sure give the republicans the White House. Put aside Rev. Wright (for a moment) and focus on the issues at hand. JayKay...Thank you for your post. Now, my father was a minister (much like Rev. Wright) and often spoke with the same fire as Rev. Wright, but it prompted us to do more and be more becuase more is required for blacks than whites. This is what Rev. Wright was trying to convey. You must (before judging) watch the complete message. Please dems stop giving the republicans and Hillary more to put out there. If she's the nominee, I'll vote for her because I'm a democrat (although I favor Obama), I first and foremost want us to take back the white house. This notion that Obama is not a Christian is CRAZY! Ask yourselves this. If that were the case then this would have come up at the time he ran for senate...Then state senate.

Also ask yourselves if Hillary was really that important and or prepared for president...Why didn't she run after Bill instead of running for the ny senate.

These are the two questions that, if answered honestly we'll ALL know that Barack is the better choice. HOWEVER, if not than I'll support Hillary...Period! I challenge each of you to answer these questions and to STOP the FIGHTING and lets rally behind our democrated party!

Posted by: x4faith | March 26, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

And who is it that goes around and accuses the brethern? Figure that one out and you will know who Clintons really are and whose name they come in. Woe to they who accuse the brethern

Posted by: MissClarty | March 26, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

svreader, Clinton's lies are all here for everyone to see. Sniper fire, NAFTA, the Irish peace plan. All proved to be lies. The proof is in the records and the tapes. Now lets have your proof about your Obama statements.

Posted by: wly34 | March 26, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

svreader: nothing could be further from the truth of Obama supporters being arrogant and close minded.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 26, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

i think this whole campaign speaks to our inner feelings towards women and african americans. we've completely lost sight of whats important here and are projecting our psych problems on our candidates. there are major issues at stake here and i don't believe any of these candidates have eluded to them in any valuable way. where is al gore?

Posted by: azzurra9999 | March 26, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

You know what is so bizarre about all of the comments, now coming in desperation from Clinton herself, about Rev. Wright's sermons? Obama has been in the public eye for 10 years. There is no need to guess his beliefs, and worry that he is some kind of radical black power America hater. All you need to do is look at his speeches and public actions to know that this is completely ridiculous. And hyperventilating about exposing his children to this? Wright is a guy who did a heck of a lot for his community, unlike a lot of the religious aggrandizers on the right. Sit in the pews for 20 years and then come and talk to me about it.

So what is this really about? Some of us aren't morons here. We didn't for a minute fall for the Swiftboating of John Kerry, when some claimed that he faked getting wounds in Vietnam to bolster a Presidential run decades in the future. But you either did fall for it, or you repeated the lies yourselves.

Because that's all that this is - swiftboating. And you've been called on it, and you know who you are - go crawl back in your holes. Your type gave us Bush for two terms, and we say no thanks, we've had enough of that already. I don't think the country could take much more, but thanks anyway.

Posted by: orrg1 | March 26, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

20 years will that racist pastor.17 with his corrupt financier.these are the people that Obama has chosen to surround himself and his young children with by choice.let us not make the mistake of electing this bigot to the white house.this democrat will vote for McCain if Hillary is not the nominee.

Posted by: tony1161 | March 26, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

svreader, you just made your own advice look foolish.

And now, your proof of your statements about Obama. Proof of each one please. Just because you publish them doesn't make them so.

I would thing an intelligent person (as you say you are) could do better.

Posted by: wly34 | March 26, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

meg --

I've posted articles from the Chicago Sun-Times, Videos from Chicago Channel 5 news
regarding "Obama's slums"

I've posted links Rev Wright's own videos.

Obama's own words are the most damming to him.

His comment about "typical white people" shows how ingrained his racism is, and how casual and natural it is to his thinking.

All you do is insult me.

I doubt you're very far along in your program, if you're in a Ph.D. program at all.

If you are, I'm not very impressed by their choice of students if your way of discussing things is typical of your fellow grad students.

Posted by: svreader | March 26, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Clinton Will Soon Have the Lead in the Race

by David Epstein

There's an article making the rounds in Politico claiming that, in fact, the race is already over, and only Hillary's pull with the national press (oh really?) is stopping them from stating the obvious. Add this to similar pieces in Slate and the NYT, and we have a small boomlet of journalists trying to make it seem like the race is essentially over.

But as these articles point out, these calculations depend on completely ignoring the results in Michigan and Florida, which seems absurd. In Florida, both candidates had their names on the ballot. In Michigan, Clinton, Kucinich, Dodd and Gravel were on the ballot, Obama, Edwards, Richardson and Biden were off the ballot. So putting all the "uncommitted" votes in Obama's column is certainly giving him more than he deserves, but so be it.

With these two states added in, Obama's total vote lead shrinks from 700,000 to about 70,000. So it's likely that Clinton will take the total vote lead after the Pennsylvania primary. Then it would be up to Obama to explain why the fact that the delegate apportionment formulas give him more delegates than Clinton should override the majority vote so far in the primary season. After all, we usually associate democracy with a system where the candidate with more votes wins, so how would having the convention select Clinton be "overturning" the primaries?

No, the votes in Florida and Michigan were not perfect, and redoing them would be the best solution possible. But if that doesn't happen, we are left only with a series of imperfect measures of the candidates' popularity. None is ideal, but is it really better to throw the states out entirely? It seems that after Pennsylvania Obama's claim to front-runner status will be entirely tied up in this point of view, which is tenuous, to say the least.
http://www.reflectivepundit.com/reflectivepundit/2008/03/clinton-will-so.html?cid=108301390#comment-108301390

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 26, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

I support Obama, but I do believe my posts will show that I am neither arrogant or close-minded.

I am educated enough to know better than to make that kind of a generalized statement.

I have seen both Obama AND Hillary supporters better than that. I've seen supporters whom don't spend all day attempting to persuade others with constant negative messages. I've seen supporters on both sides whom are on the general team for progress regardless which candidate is nominated. How's that for open-mindedness.

Obama or Hillary '08

Posted by: Obama2008 | March 26, 2008 12:04 AM | Report abuse

It is clear to me from so many of the reactionary comments concerning Rev. Wright that precious few of the commentators have ever set foot in a black church, or have any significant acquaintances that have. If they did, they would realize that Rev. Wright is not an anomaly in the black community. In fact, his ethnicity aside, he is not really an anomaly in evangelical Christianity. First, to call Wright and those like him racist or anti-American is ludicrous. Yes folks, many black pastors lace their messages with imagery and hyperbole that tie scriptural accounts of struggle and triumph to the struggles of their parishioners. This is an act of relevancy. It is not racist. There is no call for retribution. There is no call for violence. There is no call for hatred. There is no call for incivility. Rather, the call is to reflection, repentance, and dedication to God and his principles.

Please hear this - when a black minister points out the existence of institutional racism in the greater society, or the ungodly acts of our government, he is attacking the passivity and apathy of his listeners. To what end? In the Christian message, change begins within, not through external acts like violence. This message calls the hearers to personal accountability. It teaches them that they cannot depend on the greater society to solve all of their problems nor to rescue them. It reinforces to them that there may even be cases where either the government or government-supported industry may disregard their safety or well-being - as in the Syphilis experiments on blacks. It teaches them that those in power don't always have their best interests at heart, but that God does! This continues to be an important message is some corners of the black community, especially those where blacks may have been victimized due to their prior passivity or undue trust in the supposedly benign acts of the greater society, i.e., whites. It is this message of personal responsibility, of pride, of enduring faith, and yes, of strength that draws young black men to the church. No doubt, Senator Obama connected with some aspect of this message as a young community organizer in Chicago, and once settled in his new "church family," felt no need to leave, despite the occasional odd comment from the pulpit.

http://prevailingwins.blogspot.com/

Posted by: mrvivic | March 26, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Is this the same Clinton who said "the sky will open and celestial chiors will sing and there will be light" laughing and mocking the Lord they God. She expressed her depth of spirituality when her attempt at invalidation (very Marxist) of Mr. Obama values was instead breaking the First Commandment "Thou shalt not mock the Lord thy God". So who is the evil one, I think not the good Pastor. No matter how he expresses himself he is a man of God a concept to yet be learned by Clinton. Oh, my goodness the good Pastor isn't perfect and in the eyes of God he yet unfinished but at least he has started his imperfect spiritual walk

Posted by: MissClarty | March 26, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

meg --

All you do is hurl personal insults.

What year are you in?

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 11:54 PM

All I do is call you on your daily stream of lies, distortions, and smears.

Someone that does that has questionable credibility, at best.

If that hurts your sensitive feelings, cry me a river. Try sticking to factual information and dispense with the transparently ridiculous bs you insist on spouting every day on every blog you inhabit.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 26, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

jazzgrlll, what a great post. Thank you for making some sense out of all this mess.

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Great post oneil. From what I understand of Obama's style - he takes an approach where he will listen to opinions across the broad continuum of opinions on any given issue. He says - I want to know what this person on this extreme of the continuum says, I want to know what this person on the other extreme end of the continuum says, I want to know what people in the middle say and those with degrees on either side. From all of these people - what is their view, their evaluation of the problems and their suggested solutions.

Now let me take all of this information and consider it carefully and come back with a weighted conclusion about the best course of action that is as inclusive as possible.

THAT is the kind of problem solving sorely needed. THAT is the sort of decision making that enables a leader to say 'I have considered opinion from a broad spectrum and these are the issues and beliefs along that continuum. After much deliberation, I believe that this is the workable path forward'.

Part of Obama's history is as an academic. In academia we are encouraged to understand the spectrum of any given situation in order to come to a weighted and considered conclusion. Wright and others like him may contribute knowledge about some of the more ill feelings that exist within society but this does not mean Obama wholeheartedly ascribes to them. Nor does it mean that Obama's relationship with Wright was more political than spiritual.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 25, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

DENIAL? Here's a taste of REALITY:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/opinion/25brooks.html

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Hillary-supporters are being played. All this constant talk about Wright and Obama's church is distracting the public. Obama picked up another superdelegate endorsement out of Indiana.

I equate Hillary's "misspeak" to a lie. If I were a student at Virginia Tech who publicly said "I remember running and hiding behind chairs while shots ranged out." What would you think about me? Oh that poor student? Wow, what an ordeal to go through? Now imagine me getting airplay with video footage of me in the background running up the Virginia Tech Shooting crime scene one hour after it happened. What would you think of me?

Hillary didn't need to lie. Her presence there would have been a powerful tool for the election. But what can you expect after staying married so long to a liar and adulterer.

Posted by: ajtiger92 | March 25, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are in denial.

They just don't "get it"

The fact that Obama allied himself with someone who spouts anti-white, anti-semitic, and anti-American rhetoric is a "deal breaker"

Its the number #1 topic of water cooler conversation around the country.

Most "Typical White People" had no idea that stuff like this has been going on.

People are really, really, angry about it.

Obama's supporters try to spin it into being about a single sermon.

Its not.

Its about a 20 year relationship.

Its about Obama choosing Wright to be his "Spritual Advisor"

It's about Obama's lies.

Its about Obama talking out of"both sides of his mouth.

Obama presented himself as a paragon of virtue and someone on a higher ethical plane than other candidates.

He's repeatedly shown through his actions that he isn't.

He's like a human chameleon.

He turns into a completely different person depending on what group of people he's with.

He's lied to us and fooled us over and over.

America doesn't trust him anymore.

He's toast.

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm close minded because they view race-baiting as a BAD THING?? Interesting.

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention that Hillary Clinton's recent talk on the mortgage crisis sounds as if it was taken word for word from Obama's letter to the Fed Chairman of a year ago.

svreader, you need to read up.

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

meg --

All you do is hurl personal insults.

What year are you in?

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

enough already...anyone can mirror the devil in 60 second soundbites...i am a southern white woman on the dark side of my forties...i am not a democrat, nor am i a bleeding heart liberal...i cannot imagine what it possibly could have been like to grow up in wright's world...sitting in the balcony at movies, separate facilities, refusal at diners,ect....denied so many basic freedoms that make one's life bearable, if not enjoyable...not to mention the daily heartbreak and rage of simply not being acknowledged, but with abuse and prejudice...what would that do to anyone?...if his sermon is to be watched in its full form, i think you might find a different twist to this mess...he seems to be a man who loves his country, but is torn by the shame of much that we, as a nation, have done, and our lack of accountability for it...he has every right to be mad...and, obama obviously loves him and has a link with him, in that it was wright who brought him to christ...he has eloquently and directly stated his views on the matter.

and as to this race, why is it being touted as close?...look, here is a guy who has come out of nowhere and run the board against a supposedly seasoned opponent...that in itself is quite telling...he is winning on every count, despite the nonsense of clinton's or clintons' "audacity of desperation"....i don't see why democrats don't see him and embrace him for what he has shown himself to be...presidential in stature, calm and direct under pressure, unifying and inspiring beyond anyone in the recent past...have we been so quick to forget the past of clintons' less than honorable behavior, that we are doomed to soon repeat it?...i can't believe we're being subjected to their madness again, and she isn't even winning...she has no leverage...the democratic party needs to cut out this dead wood, nip it in the bud, whatever, and get to the matter at hand...focus is being lost with the convoluted shenanigans of hillary and her colorful, delusional, pie in the sky eyed, "i am better than you" memories...get that empress some clothes.

Posted by: jazzgrrrl25 | March 25, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Why34 --

That's the south side of campus.

The north side is pretty conservative compared to the south side.

In general, though, more intelligent and more educated people do tend to be more liberal.

Bill Buckley was a great exception.

He was brilliant, but as much as I respected his intellect, I never agreed with him on anything.

Lots of people felt that way.

Obama supporters are arrogant but closed-minded.

That's a very bad combination.

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Its a pretty good school.

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 11:42 PM

No disagreement there. I have several friends and colleagues from UC-Berkeley that are highly intelligent and capable.

Obviously, a PhD doesn't guarantee anything.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

The Tonya Harding metaphor is unbelievably apt.

Posted by: davestickler | March 25, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Svreader,

Your unsupported statements don't bear up very well. I know that facts are tough things to deal with.

You say

"The problem we see over and over with Obama is lack of foresight.

He doesn't see problems until after the crisis is over."

What problems are you talking about? I'll skip over an insignificant crisis called the Iraq war, that would make some of us slightly skeptical of your conclusion. How about the letter on the subprime mortgage crisis that Obama sent to chairman of the Fed Bernanke more than a year ago? With very specific requests for actions that were never taken?

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/obamas-year-old-letter-to-bern.php

And as for global warming, I know you're going to claim that Obama is a shill for the coal companies, but the fact is that Obama gets a higher score from the League of Conservation Voters than Clinton does. The facts there speak for themselves:

http://www.lcv.org/voterguide/

The truth is, Obama would make a heck of a good President. People like you act like he's too young and inexperienced. Well, he's older now than Bill Clinton was when he was elected to his first term. Now, people have differences of opinion, and I completely respect that. But you are actively misstating facts, and I have trouble understanding why. And you're not going to convince anybody when it's so easy to refute your contentions.

Posted by: orrg1 | March 25, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

A good friend of mine taught law at Berkeley - he is an Obama supporter to the end.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 25, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

j9zig1: I imagine that Obama is a second choice for a lot of Paul supporters. I cannot fathom why you would choose Clinton.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 25, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons are becoming inconsequential and they cannot stand it.

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "I've never seen a more arrogant group, with less reason to feel arrogant, than Obama supporters."

You just did what you advise against, svreader.

What is wrong with saying "that says it" about UC Berkley?? It is well known that it and the U of Wisconsin are the most liberal colleges in the nation.

Again, If the shoe fits, wear it.

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

wly --

We're usually tied with MIT and Stanford for #1 in EE and CS, overall.

In some areas, like the one I did my Ph.D. in, we're always #1.

At one point, UC Berkeley had two less Nobel prizes than the Soviet Union.

We had a poster that said "Berkeley threatens Russia"

Its a pretty good school.

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: JayKay2
American can ill afford to turn away a candidate that promises to lead you back to the constitution of the founding fathers.
----

Yeah, I thought of voting for Ron Paul too but since McCain locked up the GOP nomination I am now a registered Dem in Pennsylvania to vote for Hillary. :P

As Bill Clinton said, wouldn't it be nice to have 2 candidates who love America discussing important issues? Instead we have a hateful man who calls Grannie a typical white person. He hides it well, it just took a little digging by the fawning media to blow this campaign of cards down.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 25, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama, has stated from very early on in his campaign that he had many disagreements and serious debates with his pastor. This is important. It is possible to respect someone you disagree with. For anyone who attended university or has had a job I'm sure that's not a foreign concept. It's terribly easy to run away from a problem but it takes a real leader to stand up and debate with someone you respect and to stand your ground and fight for what you believe in. This is what Obama has done and he continues to have my full support and respect. To those of you piling on based on a clip, please track down the full video so you can actually have an informed opinion and leave the soundbytes to the "if it bleeds it leads" press. thank you.

Posted by: oneil | March 25, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

I find it amazing that Clinton supporters AND republicans wear their IGNORANCE of the realities of our world with such PRIDE. It would be rather entertaining, if it weren't so disconcerting for the future of our country. Although, one might take solace in the fact that they are actually the PAST.

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Ohhh - since we are citing our credentials - I have a Ph.D. in Social and Life-Span Pyschology. No Ivy League school for me though, but my supervisors were educated in Oxford, Yale and Cambridge.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 25, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

svreader, if only you and some other Clinton supporters would take your advice.

Senator Clinton lied not once but several times, and you all are finding a way to condone it.

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Insulting people who disagree with you is exremely immature.

It reflects badly on you.

Clinton supporters sometimes make the mistake of lowering ourselves to your level by responding to your insults, but we shouldn't.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Every child learns that, but far too many people forget it.

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 11:34 PM

I do not insult people merely on the basis of disagreement Doc. I call them on spouting lies, smears, and garbage, which pretty much describes almost everything you post. People like you are an exTreme embarrassment to the Clinton campaign, if that is possible these days.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Some of us refuse to understand the purpose of Obama's use for points.

During his speech, he did not mention his grandmother with any intent to disrespect her. He loves his family and he is proud of his family if that wasn't clear.

Second, he simply referred to his grandmother as a true credible source to strengthen his points. Among those whom are educated, it should be known that you don't present weak points when you're trying to deliver messages especially to a crowd. It is known that when referring to a person or people to strengthen your points, you use credible sources. His grandmother is credible simply for that reason, she is family. He did not do that out of disrespect, but to help people understand. He spoke the truth. He loves his family. I wonder what news station is spreading the ill message behind Obama referring to his grandmother has a source during his speech. He is very proud of his family, and they support him (evident when they attended his rally in my state).

How dare people take information and distort it, especially with disrespect involving his family.

Obama or Hillary '08 -united we need to be for the good of this country and our military. By all means, we need to see past these distractions and focus on the main goal this year (White House).

Posted by: Obama2008 | March 25, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Imagine a white pastor saying anything like Wright. Such double standards. Hillary WILL triumph.

Posted by: jamesclicktr | March 25, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Sure, might as well create a bonfire of 5 dollar bills given what the Bush/McCain/Clinton team have created for the economy.

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

American can ill afford to turn away a candidate that promises to lead you back to the constitution of the founding fathers.

Do you see how far removed America has become from the ideals it attaches much of its pride to?

This is a critical test for the nation. Restore to your roots or continue the great unraveling. In the unraveling there is no more basis upon which to attach American pride to the ideals America was created upon.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 25, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Oops, in 2004 Obama talked about showing up at church regularly. Did he sleep thru the tirades? I would think that impossible.
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"These days, he says, he attends the 11 a.m. Sunday service at Trinity in the Brainerd neighborhood every week -- or at least as many weeks as he is able. His pastor, Wright, has become a close confidant.

snip

Another person Obama says he seeks out for spiritual counsel is state Sen. James Meeks, who is also the pastor of Chicago's Salem Baptist Church. The day after Obama won the primary in March, he stopped by Salem for Wednesday-night Bible study.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/falsani/726619,obamafalsani040504.article

Who is James Meeks you ask?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM2M11BsA3g
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Daley may be a crook - aren't all Chicago Dems - but a "slave master"?!!?! Called political opponents "house n*****s" from the pulpit!?! Amazing... I am now informed by Meeks that n***** is a "term of endearment" in the black community. Hmmm...

Bye bye Barry...I hadn't realized what hellhole Chicago is.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 25, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

I've never seen a more arrogant group, with less reason to feel arrogant, than Obama supporters.

Insulting people who disagree with you is exremely immature.

It reflects badly on you.

Clinton supporters sometimes make the mistake of lowering ourselves to your level by responding to your insults, but we shouldn't.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Every child learns that, but far too many people forget it.

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people."

Just Words?

"God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people ... God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

Just words?

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye."

Just words?

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

Just words?

"We started the AIDS virus ... as a means of genocide against people of color."

Just words?

In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial."

Yes, just words.

What a fake. Folks, show your indignation regarding these comments by helping Hillary's campaign - even if it is just $5.
https://contribute.hillaryclinton.com/form.html?sc=2390

Posted by: Umbria | March 25, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "I went to UC Berkeley."

Well, that says it all.

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

I went to UC Berkeley.

Ph.D., EECS.

What are doing your doctorate in?

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 11:17 PM

Sure you did. Dodge any sniper fire on your way in? LOL

I'm in Educational Policy Studies. Most of the doctoral students and PhD's I know are pretty circumspect about continuously spewing unsubstantiated lies. Not good on the old resume Doc.

But I know there are exceptions. Hillary and her troll minions come most immediately to mind.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Interesting Politico article - the people AND media need to get LOUDER and LOUDER and LOUDER so as to force this madness to end. Clinton needs to step out of the race and the Democrats need to unify.

I don't care how much the media thinks 'Ohhh, won't it be fun to see if this goes to the convention and some big scandal happens, can Clinton pull it off despite these odds? Will the Democratic Party be destroyed?'

THAT MAKES ME SICK!!!!!! THERE IS FAR TOO MUCH AT STAKE TO PLAY SUCH GAMES WITH THE FUTURE OF AMERICA - CLINTON - BEGONE!

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 25, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Some of these posters are living proof that the exit polls were correct. The Clinton supporters are the least educated.

Sorry, if the shoe fits, wear it.

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

svreader,

When did IGNORANCE become a political point of view, the virtues of which worth extolling?

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

I went to UC Berkeley.

Ph.D., EECS.

What are doing your doctorate in?

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jkallen001
[i]
HAHAHA clinton supporters (and paid campaign staffers!) are such sheep. that and they clearly work during the day in some sort of non-professional position (no computer/internet access) because i was checking the blogs all day and none of these stupid, ignorant, sheepish pro-clinton comments were infecting these blogs like they are now.[/i]

Wow. Of all the inane Obamabot blather I have read during this campaign, this beats all! Imagine, people who support Clinton actually WORK during WORK and don't spend all their time on blogs! Imagine that.

Keep givin' 'em hell Hillary...their fearless leader is at the beach, hiding before he says something else stupid like snidely calling grandma a 'typical white person'. I imagine her friends are horrified that he would drag her name thru the mud with irrevered wright. No class.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 25, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse


"I want my party back the way it was.

Who are these crazy people."

Our party is gone the way it went in Texas 30 years ago. Used to a Republican primary was not even held in a lot of races, because there were not a handful of Republicans. Now every major elected office in the state is held by Republicans. Now Texas is a Republican state.And the Democratic party in Texas brought it all on themselves with the same type of stuff that is going on now. The Sharpstown Scandal, the way LBJ was elected to the senate by dead voters, the Billy Ray Estes scandal, etc.

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

meg --

What do you do for a living?

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 11:10 PM

I'm a doctoral student in at the University of Wisconsin.

What do you do for a living, besides trolling of course?

And where in the world did you find an institution that gave you a PhD?

Maybe I could save some money.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

"You know, I spoke out against Don Imus, saying that hate speech was unacceptable in any setting, and I believe that," the paper quoted Clinton as saying. "I think you have to speak out against that. You certainly have to do that, if not explicitly, then implicitly by getting up and moving."

Didn't detect any movement toward stopping Carville for his hate speech about Bill Richardson ("Judas"). Nor has there been any speaking out by her against character assassination of fellow Democrats like the Governor of New Mexico.

Posted by: FirstMouse | March 25, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

meg --

What do you do for a living?

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

JayKay2, try this for one. Just google and you will find entire sermons not just the clips that the media want you to hear.

http://tinyurl.com/2b2f5s

I'm not a Rev. Wright supporter, but he deserves a fair listen. By the way, Bill Clinton used him when he thought he might help him.

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

He sounds like Hitler raging against Jews, blaming them for all of Germany's problems.

Its frightening.

It makes Obama unelectable, that's for sure.

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 11:03 PM

Now a Hitler analogy Dr. svPhD?

Where did you get that PhD, clown college? Or Bob Jones U?

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons are in DENIAL. A dose of REALITY:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9149.html

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

If you go to youtube, there are many videos of Rev Wright that shows what Obama's "spiritual advisor" thinks of "white people"

Here's just one of them, and its one of the more tame ones, unedited.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcOOSpvC2JI

It doesn't matter what the current vote count is.

There's no way Obama can win a national election after this.

Its not going to go away.

I'm white, and I never knew this was going on in Black Churches.

It's extremely disturbing.

I never knew such organized racial hatred existed in the 21st century.

He sounds like Hitler raging against Jews, blaming them for all of Germany's problems.

Its frightening.

It makes Obama unelectable, that's for sure.

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

since we are assigning guilt by association when it comes too obama and his pastor and whether he should drop his support of wright's church, let's make a deal.when the millions of followers of the catholic church drop their support of an institution which protects pedophiles then we will ask obama to drop his church.

Posted by: crook4205 | March 25, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

You and your elk got the beat down by Clinton number 1 and are now going to get the number 2.

HRC

Posted by: mul | March 25, 2008 10:29 PM


Elk. Heh. That's still funny. Actually I'm from Wisconsin, so I'm more Badger than Elk.

Totally off topic, but Go Bucky!

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons are in DENIAL. A dose of REALITY:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9149.html

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

wly34: I missed what Wright said - have you got a link to it?

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 25, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

vThe problem we see over and over with Obama is lack of foresight.

He doesn't see problems until after the crisis is over.

Hillary saw the need for universal health care long before it became a "hot button issue"

Al Gore did the same thing with Global Warming.

In highly technical areas, it takes a lot of time and a lot of effort to educate yourself to be able to make good decisions.

You have to like that kind of thing.

Hillary does.

Obama is a marvelous speaker, but he's the farthest thing in the world from a wonk.

We've got tough problems.

We don't need flowery speeches.

We need people who know their stuff.

Hillary knows the problems we face and the tradeoffs of the possible solutions better than any other candidate.

She can guide us through the difficult times ahead.

That's what our country needs.

There are many reasons she has my vote.

That's the strongest one.

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm, and she said she was against NAFTA all along. Her record released show that she was attending Pro-NAFTA meetings.

Who lied again??

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 10:36 PM

Its a bit of a pattern for Hillary it seems.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

I want my party back the way it was.

Who are these crazy people.

Posted by: mul | March 25, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

"If Wright has made statements ugly at times, then it is Obama's job to say he is not in line with those particular statements - but it is Wright's job to apologize for those statements if they cast too wide a net and were insulting to people."

Obama already has and Wright already has. Next. Read the news.

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

This is REALITY. The Clintons are in DENIAL.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/opinion/25brooks.html

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

"OK, other than the God Damn America part, how is this any different than what JW said? No wonder WJC had him over to the White House. Seems hypocritical to me for HRC to condemn Wright for statement her husband essentially made."

Yep, I'm beginning to worry about the Clinton's sanity. Call the people with the white coats. This "got to be crowned president at all costs" is beginning to be a bit sick.

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

jenilozer: That's right - a descendant of Madison, one of the four founding fathers and the major author of the constitution who wrote in the checks and balances against special interests gaining too much power in Government.

Madison also being the founder of the Republican party - I would wager the Republican party was much different then to what it has become today - where under the Bush Administration we saw so crystal clear how much the special interests drove the Government agenda. Madison would weep.

The last major country taken over by the colonists was New Zealand. The New Zealand Maori, having been undisturbed for 1000's of years, still lived their spiritual life by the old ways. Their creation stories were similar to those in ancient Greece and Egypt and Sumeria - with small cultural variations.

They believe in a sacred relationship between mankind and the earth - our responsibility to be thoughtful custodians of it. They honored their ancestors through the concept of 'whakapapa' - translated as 'the rope of mankind'. Each life in the present is a link in a rope extending back into the past and forward into the future.

Maori, as with many ancient cultures, believed that the spirits of their ancestors guided them - their imprint in our DNA but also their spiritual energy watching over us.

It is interesting that Obama's ancestral connection to Madison has come up now. It was not previously known by Obama - these are new revelations. However, something guided that young man to study constitutional law and to ultimately run a campaign funded by the people, shunning the influence of the special interests. I find that very interesting.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 25, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

OK lets count votes.

She is 700,000 back. She kas 300,000 in Florida so she is about 400,000 votes back. Lets see what HRC can do - stop telling her to get out.

Obama and end it by winning IN and NC.

Posted by: mul | March 25, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Clinton supporters,Republicans and the press corp have targeted Obama for his "pastor's voice"....but interestingly American politicians and the press are quiet about Libya's leader Ghadaffi for suggesting the Bible was forged as it didn't mention the Prophet Muhammad.....Is that because of the influence special interest and big oil wield on American politicians and the media?

Posted by: red27 | March 25, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama's relationship with Wright should be fairly evaluated as much more deeper and complex than you can extrapolate from these sound bites formulated to do maximum destruction.

If Wright has made statements ugly at times, then it is Obama's job to say he is not in line with those particular statements - but it is Wright's job to apologize for those statements if they cast too wide a net and were insulting to people. No reasonable person expects Wright to have always conducted himself personally, to have not always risen above anger and angry language, but we can expect him to apologize for over-stepping the line.

We CANNOT expect that it is fair and right for Obama to be judged on his pastors weak moments.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 25, 2008 10:23 PM


Thank you jaykay. Excellent post.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

This is REALITY. The Clintons are in DENIAL.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/opinion/25brooks.html

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

"Bill Clinton, the former president, said yesterday that terror has existed in America for hundreds of years and the nation is "paying a price today" for its past of slavery and for looking "the other way when a significant number of native Americans were dispossessed and killed."
"Here in the United States, we were founded as a nation that practiced slavery, and slaves quite frequently were killed even though they were innocent," said Mr. Clinton in a speech to nearly 1,000 students at Georgetown University's ornate Gaston Hall.
"This country once looked the other way when a significant number of native Americans were dispossessed and killed to get their land or their mineral rights or because they were thought of as less than fully human.
"And we are still paying a price today," said Mr. Clinton, who was invited to address the students by the university's School of Foreign Service."

OK, other than the God Damn America part, how is this any different than what JW said? No wonder WJC had him over to the White House. Seems hypocritical to me for HRC to condemn Wright for statement her husband essentially made.

Posted by: gbooksdc | March 25, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Do votes count for anything?

Posted by: mul | March 25, 2008 10:23 PM

Now I have a question. Are you really that ignorant or are you just playing dumb?

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 10:31 PM

I am just being Funny. This is the most inane election I have ever seen.

I like good "make the world a better place libs", democracy, not invading other countries, and puppies.

Obama is like the George Wallace of White Latte drinkers. Brings out the worst in them (because he is one of them). See post from his supporters as prof - they sound like the VRWC except harmless.

Oh well maybe 2012 will be our year.

Posted by: mul | March 25, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "Now I have a question -

Do votes count for anything?"

Yep, and Obama is ahead. The superdelegates are noW worrying about Hillary and her lies, Obama won in Texas it was announced, she is threatening to sue her own party there, and hey Ohio she lied to you about NAFTA.

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

You and your elk got the beat down by Clinton number 1 and are now going to get the number 2.

HRC

Posted by: mul | March 25, 2008 10:29 PM

ELK? Sorry but I am neither elk nor moose, nor the ubiquitous american whitetail.

LOL You're really funny occasionally mul. BTW are you from the mul-deer family? :)

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

svlair --

Way to evade recognizing your girl's latest pack o' lies, while repeating a post from another article to this section, which has nothing to do with what you're posting about.

Both Togo West and Chelsea lied to back up Hillary's lie. D'ya think they did that on their own, or did they get together beforehand to get their lies straight? Cause what does it say about a mother who gets her daughter to lie?

Posted by: gbooksdc | March 25, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

You and your elk got the beat down by Clinton number 1 and are now going to get the number 2.

HRC

Posted by: mul | March 25, 2008 10:29 PM

ELK? Sorry but I am neither elk nor moose, nor the ubiquitous american whitetail.

LOL You're really funny occasionally mu-deer.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm, and she said she was against NAFTA all along. Her record released show that she was attending Pro-NAFTA meetings.

Who lied again??

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

There's a good article on global warming in today's post that brings home the point I made earlier about the importance of having a chief executive who knows the details of the difficult issues we face.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/25/AR2008032501418.html?hpid=artslot

I've posted several comments there.

If you don't read anything else about global warming today, please read the report I link to below.

I'd like to encourage everyone to look at this report from Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute regarding the danger of abrupt climate change and what it could mean for humanity, and then to contact your senators and representatives and demand the government take strong action to dramatically reduce carbon emissions before its too late for all of us.

Its clear, candid, and extremely disturbing.

http://www.whoi.edu/page.do?cid=9986&pid=12455&tid=282

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

First off let me agree with the Obama people that SEX is bad. Sex is really bad with young (future Obama supporter) Girls - they suck.

Hillary Married the president - what was she thinking. She could have stayed at home and pretended Obama was her boyfriend.

Second you must understand the typical white people inflate there war record (see bush) to make up for the fact they were not in the Il senate doing the bidding of the Daily Machine for 1 year - and doing nothing the rest of the time but going to church to hear about Jesus.

Now I have a question -

Do votes count for anything?

Posted by: mul | March 25, 2008 10:23 PM

Now I have a question. Are you really that ignorant or are you just playing dumb?

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

All in the Family!!

Read this:
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/chelseas.htm

Posted by: dan8 | March 25, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

All in the Family!!

Read this:
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/chelseas.htm

Posted by: dan8 | March 25, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

All in the Family!!

Read this:
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/chelseas.htm

Posted by: dan8 | March 25, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

Posted by: democraticvoter

Did you vote or ever think about voting for Bush. IF so you should not ever post on the political blogs again.

You and your elk got the beat down by Clinton number 1 and are now going to get the number 2.

HRC

Posted by: mul | March 25, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

Posted by: democraticvoter

Did you vote or ever conceder voting for Bush. IF so you should not ever post on the political blogs again.

You and your elk got the beat down by Clinton number 1 and are now going to get the number 2.

HRC

Posted by: mul | March 25, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Here's another Hillary whopper:

Nobel winner: Hillary Clinton's 'silly' Irish peace claims

By Toby Harnden in Washington
Last Updated: 9:30am GMT 08/03/2008
Page 1 of 2

Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml

A wee bit silly? That's classic polite British for she's lying....oops....sorry sv.....misremembering...misspeaking...

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

RECORDS SET

- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

I just finished watching the Clinton vs Sinbad video on abcnews.com. They trotted Togo West out to back up HRC's lie -- unfortunately for them both, there was video.

I wonder if the press will ask Secy. West why he said what he said. I'll bet they won't...as for Sinbad, he may be a comedian, but he got his facts straight!

Posted by: gbooksdc | March 25, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Clintons and Clintonians are putting our Country on the edge of a Civil War, thanks to all their hate and lust for power. First they called for all the African-Americans to be hanged on a high tree, just because they support Obama. Now they are calling for mass deportation, as Richardson is supporting Obama, and the primaries ended in Texas (she lost the delegate count btw...), so Latinos have no use for the Clintons on their putsch to take DC by force...
Who's going to be the next? Who is going to be the next enemy of the Clintons' schizophrenic campaign for re-election? She started to LIE even before she becomes the official Dem candidate... Think about what she can do when she follows Billie footsteps on this field of LIES...

Posted by: mp2007 | March 25, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm - my last post didn't show up - grrr - took me awhile to type it too.

Short version - Wright has 37 years in church service. Has said inflammatory things during that time - though no fair person could characterize that as a 24/7 thing over 37 years. People need to be mature enough to realize that combing sermons for inflammatory language, pasting them together in sound bites for maximum negative effect, this is not a fair basis upon which to judge Wright, and indeed only God will judge Wright, bringing in all check and balances.

Obama's relationship with Wright should be fairly evaluated as much more deeper and complex than you can extrapolate from these sound bites formulated to do maximum destruction.

If Wright has made statements ugly at times, then it is Obama's job to say he is not in line with those particular statements - but it is Wright's job to apologize for those statements if they cast too wide a net and were insulting to people. No reasonable person expects Wright to have always conducted himself personally, to have not always risen above anger and angry language, but we can expect him to apologize for over-stepping the line.

We CANNOT expect that it is fair and right for Obama to be judged on his pastors weak moments.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 25, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

svliar --

You remind me of the old Richard Pryor joke: "He'd tell a lie, then she'd tell a lie, then they'd compliment each other's lie!"

Pay attention, now. Your girl Hillary's foreign policy "experience" has been outed as a LIE. It's fiction, imaginary, much like most of your posts (who'd died in Obama's Slums, svliar? Where's the book, svliar? How come a "Ph.D." can't spell chameleon correctly in two tries?). The "35 years"? It's a fiction? Your girl's steel-trap mind? Looks like an early onset of Alzheimer's.

Posted by: gbooksdc | March 25, 2008 10:13 PM

Still laughing. Last night I wondered who had the honor of sitting through Dr. svreader PhD's dissertation.

That must've been a long day indeed, if it actually happened.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

First off let me agree with the Obama people that SEX is bad. Sex is really bad with young (future Obama supporter) Girls - they suck.

Hillary Married the president - what was she thinking. She could have stayed at home and pretended Obama was her boyfriend.

Second you must understand the typical white people inflate there war record (see bush) to make up for the fact they were not in the Il senate doing the bidding of the Daily Machine for 1 year - and doing nothing the rest of the time but going to church to hear about Jesus.

Now I have a question -

Do votes count for anything?

Posted by: mul | March 25, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: x32792 | March 25, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Chuck Todd is saying that many superdelegates are getting very nervous about the tone of the campaign - thank you Hillary - and Obama may see a super swing in his direction.

The sooner the better.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

svliar --

You remind me of the old Richard Pryor joke: "He'd tell a lie, then she'd tell a lie, then they'd compliment each other's lie!"

Pay attention, now. Your girl Hillary's foreign policy "experience" has been outed as a LIE. It's fiction, imaginary, much like most of your posts (who'd died in Obama's Slums, svliar? Where's the book, svliar? How come a "Ph.D." can't spell chameleon correctly in two tries?). The "35 years"? It's a fiction? Your girl's steel-trap mind? Looks like an early onset of Alzheimer's.

Watch the video again. Note the animated speech. She REALLY believed it (or, like her husband, she's "an unusually good liar"). I bet Geo. W. really believed that bit about Iraq and WMD, too.

Her latest move has underlined and bolded her writing off the black vote in 08. How is she going to campaign in a black church now? Who will invite her? Exactly how many black preachers do you think are telling their congregation all is fine and dandy in the US when black college grads earn less than white HS grads? When white CONVICTS get hired at higher rates than blacks with no criminal record? Do you NOT think black preachers will rally around Wright?

Like your girl, you are delusional. "running with our heads down", indeed. But what a surprise -- you (of all people) are not condemning her lie. How long until you compliment it?

Posted by: gbooksdc | March 25, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

chersplace, Again. Rev. Wright is not on the ballot. Rev. Wright is not on trial. Obama is not on trial.

The Clintons are, for fraud in California, and when all is through, she will be forced to resign by her own party.

Think on that and try not to worry about Rev. Wright.

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

They are calling this the Clintons' "Tonya Harding Option." It didn't work for Tonya, Hillary. It won't work for you.

Posted by: johnsonc2 | March 25, 2008 09:56 PM

Its a great analogy. Does that make Bill, Carville, Penn and Wolfson Jeff Giloolies(sp)?

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Rev Wright was a guest in the Clinton White House and Bill sent him a thank you note. The Clintons courted Rev Wright when the needed the Black vote and now he is unacceptable? Gee, it's so hard to keep up with who's in and who's out in the Clinton Camp.

Posted by: x32792 | March 25, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Once again, I have to bow in amazement to svreader's incredible grasp of the issues. I mean, just listen to this

"Barack Obama doens't know what he's doing, and I mean that in a literal sense, with respect to the problems we face as a nation."

Boy, he sure "doens't"! Why, I just came across this letter to Ben Bernanke from Senator Obama warning about the subprime mortgage crisis more than a year ago!

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/obamas-year-old-letter-to-bern.php

This incredibly detailed letter is BORING! And furthermore, it came out on March 22, 2007! Who the heck cared about the subprime crisis then? What a waste of time, please, DON'T BOTHER reading it!

Hillary, on the other hand has just agreed with one of Obama's suggestions, to hold a summit, but now, WHEN IT REALLY MATTERS!

But what is really great, what really shows off her amazing perception, is that her main prescription is to bring Alan Greenspan back in! Because his interest rate policies absolutely had nothing to do with creating this mess! And just listen to her reasoning:

"he has a calming influence still to this day on Wall Street -- don't ask me why because I never understand what he's saying -- but nevertheless people respond to that Delphic oracle approach."

http://www.attytood.com/2008/03/clintons_delphic_oracle_alan_g.html

Man, svreader, you are spot on!

Posted by: orrg1 | March 25, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

He is now a descendant of Madison

Posted by: jenilozer | March 25, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Well, I should expect that from someone that think that she is the Almighty herself... I have some serious political divergences with my Church's Pastor, however I won't leave my Church, as they are my community, and my faith is more important for me than my political divergences. It is a matter of Spirit over the worldly things.
But I don't think "the Devil" might have had any commitment with any Church, as The LORD said "she came to steal, kill and destroy..." and "she has been a LIAR since the beginning..."
Also, if Pr. Wright must be truthful to the Holy Word he won't admit "the Devil" as one of the sheep under his overseeing. She admitted PUBLICLY that SHE LIED about the Bosnian visit incident. As someone posted on another blog, she admitted that she lied but she hasn't done it with her hand over the US Constitution, like her hubby Billie... at least not yet...

Posted by: mp2007 | March 25, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Don't let the name misguide, Obama is my number one preference, but I will vote for Hillary should he somehow fail to continue. He is on similar issues as Hillary and McCain (even as direct he may be, he is on total different stances on issues most important to this country in my opinion) McCain simply isn't in my opinion. McCain, in my opinion, has been direct about continuing further damage supported by Bush (talking about the war).

I am personally against both of their stances on abortion (save certain cases in my opinion), but that is not for me to judge them or those whom are pro-abortion. As a woman, that is not for me to judge other women whom support that idea in general. I lack certain experiences that others have had. My faith calls me to be humble and attempt to be fair in judgment. I understand that there is no perfect person on this planet, including pastors obviously. It is my understanding that the pastor is not the church, nor is the building where church is gathered, the church. It is my understanding, however, that the church is the people. It is my understanding that no pastor is more perfect than each of us individuals.

(Note to all readers: I am just as disturbed with some of Wright's comments. I have not watched all of his sermons in full to make a judgment after collecting the full facts than the chopped bits and pieces presented. I cannot understand the USKKKA statement. My brow did raise on that and I am not at all attempting to defend him as there are things that I don't even understand in regards to some of those comments).

I believe that Obama couldn't have been any more blunt with his speech, whether people liked all of it, some of it, or none. He laid the information out and where he stands on it. I can imagine I'd be disturbed too. I didn't walk in Obama's shoes to understand the good he sees in this man beyond this man's imperfection. That tells me that Obama perhaps has more understanding than I do. The preacher can tell the crowd his views, but not all of them have to accept it. Obama has said he disagrees with Wright on some things, but he still loves this man. I respect that. Apparently he's had some good history with that church, that the church has done some good, regardless of outrageous statements made by his pastor. He can choose what church he attends, but he cannot control what his pastor says. We'd prefer he attended somewhere else, but Obama doesn't. He may have good established relationships with other members of the church there and enjoy their company while they share their faith. Maybe his choice of staying at the church goes beyond the pastor himself even. If he chooses to remain there, he does not have to accept every word that comes out of his pastor's mouth. If it took this imperfect preacher for Obama to hear The Good News, then I applaud that. However, it is Obama's job to know Obama's faith first and foremost. He may choose to attend the church, but he's educated enough, and with his background, his vision, his opinions, he does not have to accept every word his pastor speaks. Furthermore, Obama has ultimately done NO HARM simply by attending this church which many of us disapprove.

That my friends, this portion of his personal life (I know I'm going to strike some nerves but I DO NOT MEAN IN ANY WAY to raise any of your feathers or to insult) has nothing to do with his stances on The Issues which this country as a whole faces - Especially with the fact that his stances aren't far from Hillary's. So what if he refuses to leave that church. He's done no harm, but rather set out in Action to rally everyone together to focus on our common goals. He's told us what he believes in and what he doesn't. If he didn't care about this country, he wouldn't be running for presidency, visiting just about every state to talk of ways the country can improve and fixing the mess of Bush's administration. If he didn't care about this country or about our military individuals beyond their signed contracts, he may as well endorsed McCain instead of running with his ideals of improving the ills of this country. In my opinion, Obama's personal choice of church has about as much to do with his presidential capabilities on The Issues as Bill Clinton's cheating issue had on his outstanding capabilities. Zero to do with the ills of this country.

Speaking to fellow Christians (not to offend anyone else), it is my understanding that God used the imperfect to do His will and that shall serve as credibility.

I like Bill Clinton a lot, and not at all meant as an insult, but Pastor Wright was invited to the White House and received a "thank you" note for praying for Bill after his confession. I'm not defending Wright because I don't understand why he made some statements. However, attempting to think with a fair mind, he may have some opinions which he is entitled to but what if he isn't all that bad of a pastor? Imperfect, yes. However, he extended himself for Bill Clinton. When Bill needed someone to talk to, he was there. I disapprove of some of Wright's statements, but I don't think he's as bad a person as the media seems to portray. I will wait to collect further information.

Obama or Hillary '08

Posted by: Obama2008 | March 25, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

""Isn't a church suppose to preach the word of God. Or, are we to hate the world while preaching GOD's WORD. Well, it makes me sick, so sick to hear what is going on in Jeremiah Wright church.And, worse still, for 20 years, this man has been preaching anti- american, racist hate""

Again, have you read the entire sermons. By the way, Rev. Wright is not on the ballot. If I voted the way my pastor preaches sometimes, we would be in worse shape than we are.

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

wly34 |
I have listened to the entire sermons and I cannot justify the behavior that I have asked about.
You obviously don't want to answer my question.

Any minister insulting a young girl who was murdered from the pulpit is unacceptable to me.
Any minister gyrating and imitating a sexual act from the pulpit while insulting President Bill Clinton is unnacceptable to me.
The pulpit is not the place for this kind of behavior and it is anything but christian.

Posted by: chersplace | March 25, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Hillary would have split from Rev Wright except she was under heavy sniper fire.

Posted by: x32792 | March 25, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

This is an incredibly diaphanous double-standard. Sen. Obama himself lost no time in protesting to Mr. Don IMUS' Network registering his appropriately strong objections to Mr. Imus' demeaning, disgustingly SEXIST remarks on the young RUTGERS College women stating that Imus' hurtful comments were "stereotypical" and unacceptable RACIST remarks.

The question remains: Where were Obama's objections in over 20 years and of allowing his two young impressionable little girls sit in and witness the lewd on-the-pulpit gyrations of his pastor while shouting to the congregants with clenched fist: "Bill Clinton loves us like he loves Monica"!... Was that an appropriate 'lesson' for his girls to witness while getting their Sunday School catechism in the form of "Hate Thy Neighbour" with passion? Where was his Parental Judgment in allowing his kids to absorb such unorthodox 'Christian' indoctrination messages? Surely, he could have given a private "speech" to his uncle Jeremiah much sooner to start the 'racial Healing'conversation, rather than be forced to give a politically expedient Speech to the whole nation 20 years later! Where was the Love? Where was the Judgment?!...

Posted by: MSakel | March 25, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

""- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court""

And his own state, by the way.

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Isn't a church suppose to preach the word of God. Or, are we to hate the world while preaching GOD's WORD. Well, it makes me sick, so sick to hear what is going on in Jeremiah Wright church.And, worse still, for 20 years, this man has been preaching anti- american, racist hate

Posted by: jenilozer | March 25, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

I saw the "Tanya Harding" syndrome comparison today. It fits.

If you can't win, break their kneecaps.

Hillary, you have become a laughing stock. Get out while you still can pretend to be someone who cares.

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

RECORDS SET by CLINTON Presidency

- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Quopte: "If you have listened to the comments of Reverend Wright and found them to be justified. Please explain to me the following. Reverend Wright is supposed to be a Christian minister preaching the teachings of Christ."

OK, I'll answer. Have you read the entire speeches or sermons. They are available. Or have you read the 10 second cuts on the media that the Clintons want you to read??? Hmmm???
I'm no Wright fan, but the entire speeches make sense to me. Read 'em before you speak.

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Does Clinton really understand what it takes to be a president? The presidents only doctrine is the Constitution, and you must treat ALL citizens bigots, racists, neocons, liberals, conservatives, fundamentalists equal under the law. They are all Americans.

This has proved Obama has demonstrated he maintains his core decency no matter who he associates with. Those who are incapable of being their in charge of their will sway with whomever is in their lives. The reason Hilary, the habitual liar, is not capable of recognizing this, living too long with another liar, she is incapable of maintaining her integrity.

Posted by: FebM | March 25, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

And who will the BLUE DRESS Democrats vote for?

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

They are calling this the Clintons' "Tonya Harding Option." It didn't work for Tonya, Hillary. It won't work for you.

Posted by: johnsonc2 | March 25, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Does Clinton really understand what it takes to be a president? The presidents only doctrine is the Constitution, and you must treat ALL citizens bigots, racists, neocons, liberals, conservatives, fundamentalists equal under the law. They are all Americans.

This has proved Obama has demonstrated he maintains his core decency no matter who he associates with. Those who are incapable of being their in charge of their will sway with whomever is in their lives The same cannot be said about Hilary, the habitual liar, perhaps for living too long with another liar, and being incapable of maintaining her integrity.

Posted by: FebM | March 25, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Hillary says she couldn't stay in a church with a minister who says radical things, but she stayed in a marriage with a man who did sinful deeds. Nobody has accused the Rev. Wright of actually sinning, but Hillary's husband has been proven to have lied about committing adultery -- two big sins. What is worse: Hillary's continued association with Bill the sinner or Obama's continued association with a minister who has violated none of the 10 commandments. When Hillary divorces she will have a moral justification for criticizing Obama for listening to (or dozing through) some provocative statements from an angry preacher.

Posted by: jparks99 | March 25, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

RECORDS SET by the CLINTONS

- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama cuts a pathetic figure. His claim to "experience" is at best delusional and at worst an outright fabrication. It will not work. Most blue-dog Democratics will vote for McCain.

Posted by: Skinsfan1978 | March 25, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Geffen was right. His concern is that the Clintons "mis-speak" so easily.

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

RECORDS SET by THE CLINTONS

- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Messages from the Underground: Sen. Chuckie S. is in a pickle. Polling shows that when questions are put to voters about black theologist James Cone's quotes the overwhelming majority of likely non-AA voters say they would not support nor vote a candidate who embraces such theological positions. It gets worse when more pointed questions are asked.

Moreover, the politically initiated know that Sean Hannity will utilize the Obama-Wright-James Cone connection following the Democratic convention. Assuming Bill Richardson is the V.P. nominee, allowing him to move up on the ticket and select a V.P. does no good.
Bill Clinton wants Hannity to go nuclear before the Penn.Primary in late April, but Hannity is holding his power dry. Bill's comments in N.C. about two candidates who love their country were aimed at super delegates and the confidential discussions between Clinton's camp and the party old timers. What has Charlie R. been saying in private about the theology issue? Will Clinton go nuclear to cause Obama to crash and burn? That is the ultimate question.
The smart money says that Obama's speech was great, but no one questioned his ideology or theology and that is Obama's soft underbelly.
The Jewish vote and money is all but lost according to polling if this gets the play Wright's snippets got. Was Obama offered V.P. on the understanding that he would resign if post convention events forced the Dems. to stop the bleeding? I have been informed that Obama thinks he can survive and told Clinton operatives to watch him control the issue and turn it to his advantage. Is that accurate? I do not know, but public hints were made that seemingly did not make sense. Perhaps they do make sense.

The Jewish vote craters if the theology of Cone and trinity UCC is exposed, as per the pooling. Did Jewish Senators discuss these issues with their doners? I have been told it may have been the quiet topic of electability discussions. I know that the Indo-American doners have been very POed by the Kenyan atrocities and the revealation by thug Raila Odinga that Obama is Odinga's first cousin. Indo-Americans have the highest per capita income and have been loyal Clinton supporters. Ask your friends whether they would vote for a candidate who church is guided by the following principles:
1) "To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people." (2) "While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism." (3) "All white men are responsible for white oppression." (4) "Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil." (5) "If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it." (6) "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."

If Bill C. drops the bomb McCain profits, but the thinking is that the Black vote will not have anywhere to go and vote for Hillary in the general election. People theorize that Obama is a young man who can jettison Pastor Wright, apologise to America for his association with Black Liberation Theology and rehabilate himself to run in the future.

You make the call. What should we do. I saw this coming. In my opinion, you cannot win a general election if you ideology or theology is base upon the divisive pillars of Cone's theology.

Will the Democratic Party once again grasp defeat from the jaws of victory?

If and when some, if not all, of this comes about just remember the the East Indians who were murdered, mutilated, and gang raped and sodomized by Luo tribesmen(who do not practice circumcision and have the highest group rate of HIV in Kenya), who supported Obama's cousin Raila Odinga blood thirsty quest for power.

Posted by: KEVIN25 | March 25, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

RECORDS SET by THE CLINTONS

- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters, slow down.

We know you want your candidate to win.

There's an old rolling-stones song

"You don't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you get what you need"

We need Hillary Clinton.

Al Gore would be an excellent alternative.

Barack Obama doens't know what he's doing, and I mean that in a literal sense, with respect to the problems we face as a nation.

This isn't about winning a game.

Its about making a decision that can affect all of our lives.

Barry Obama is a "salesman" like Bush.

We need a policy expert.

We need someone who likes that kind of thing.

Barry doesn't.

Hillary does, and she's really, really good at it.

That's what we need.

Sometimes, it just comes down to knowledge.

She's got it. He doesn't.

Choose wisely.

The live you save may be your own.

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Simple - Wright is racist

Posted by: GeneWells | March 25, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

We should clearly pay attention to levelheaded, astute comments such as those of svreader. By contrast, I'd like to acquaint you with these fanatical, unreasoned words from Hillary Clinton's former pastor, The Rev. Dean J. Snyder, Senior Minister of Foundary United Methodist Church:

http://www.foundryumc.org/pdfs/Statement%20concerning%20Rev.%20Jeremiah%20Wright.pdf

"The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader whom I have heard speak a number of times. He has served for decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society. He has been a vocal critic of the racism, sexism and homophobia which still tarnish the American dream. To evaluate his dynamic ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave injustice to Dr. Wright, (and) the members of his congregation....
No matter which candidates prevail, let us use this time to listen again to one another and not to distort one another's truth."

Hillary should disavow these racist slandering words from her former pastor at once!

Posted by: orrg1 | March 25, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary saw the need for universal health care long before it became a "hot button issue"

And she was laughed at even by her own party whom she refused to consult with in the past on her national health plan. She has even said that she might garnish wages to pay for her health plan. If you thought medical care was expensive before, wait till Hillary makes if "Free".

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

That's what our country needs.

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 09:45 PM

Sorry Dr sv. Beyond her lies and mudslinging, Hillary voted for Bush's War and STILL has not adequately justified or apologized for it.

That's definitely not what this country needs.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

So she'd leave a church if she disagreed with the pastor on certain points, but WOULDN'T leave a husband who was so incompetent in covering his philandering that it became a national joke.

Uh....ok. Get enough sleep last night, Hil?

Posted by: Marcus3 | March 25, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

exhooper

I am not sure what you were trying to say to me except that you thin I am a racist.

I am not now nor have I ever been a racist. If Barack Obama were the best candidate I would vote for him and be thrilled. When the election season started I looked into both candidates in order to make a decision. I based my decision on the information I was able to find out about in from his books and whatever other sources I could find. What I found made me feel that there are too many questions regarding this man to risk putting him in our countries highest office.
Maybe in 4 or 8 years I will find that he is a great candidate, at this point I will not voter for him if he is the democratic candidate.

ANYONE... I WOULD LOVE AN OBAMA SUPPORTER TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION


If you have listened to the comments of Reverend Wright and found them to be justified. Please explain to me the following. Reverend Wright is supposed to be a Christian minister preaching the teachings of Christ.

How do you justify what he said regarding Natalee Holloway.
He said "Black women are being raped in Africa but some white girl gets drunk and gives it up on some foriegn beach and it's in the news for months".
How do you justify that. He could easily have made the same point without the reference to her getting drunk, or the reference to her giving it up. This young girl was murdered. This young girl has family who lost their child.

And how do you justify Reverend Wright standing on the church pulpit and gyrating in imitation of a sexual act, while insulting President Bill Clinton. Acting like he was having sex while screaiming "He was ridin dirty".
I thought is was disgusting, and totally inappropriate from the church pulpit.

Tell me how these comments are Christian.
Tell me how these comments are acceptable.

Hillary Clinton did not make an issue of this. She was asked a question about how she would react and she answered it honestly.
Watch the interview instead of the way the media is spinning it.
You are defending Wright by saying you have to hear the whole sermon, at least have the same courtesy, and listen to the whole interview before you once again condemn Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: chersplace | March 25, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Hillary did not tell the truth on NAFATA.
Didn't tell the truth on the Sniper fire.
She don't have the ability to tell the truth on anything. Her, Bill, Dracula(Carvell) and all these terriable males around her are weapons of mass destruction for the Democratic party. When will these super delegates without backbone take charge? It is your seats that are on the line and you are letting power hungry self centered win at any cost(your seats)lose your big chance to take over Washington and the country. All because you have no backbone. You cowards deserve Billary.

Posted by: stanjax3 | March 25, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

And the "kitchen sink" has arrived. Will this be the norm until Penn. - and beyond?

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: parkerfl | March 25, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Foresight would be seeing that Bill is a womanizer and misogonyst. JUDGMENT ANYONE??

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

For anyone actually interested in the non-Faux Noise/Hillary/GOP version of what Reverend Wright was really saying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ&feature=related and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw&feature=related

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

PS. Clinton is related to Celine Dion, Angelina Jolie, Madonna and Prince Charles second wife - Camilla Parker Bowles.

McCain in related to um - no one of any past significance except GWB's wife Laura.

In total Obama is related to 6 former presidents - lol, and Brad Pitt and Winston Churchill.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 25, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

McPeak was right. The Clintons are SHAMELESS!

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

The problem we see over and over with Obama is lack of foresight.

Hillary saw the need for universal health care long before it became a "hot button issue"

Al Gore did the same thing with Global Warming.

In highly technical areas, it takes a lot of time and a lot of effort to educate yourself to be able to make good decisions.

You have to like that kind of thing.

Hillary does.

Obama is a marvelous speaker, but he's the farthest thing in the world from a wonk.

We've got tough problems.

We don't need flowery speeches.

We need people who know their stuff.

Hillary knows the problems we face and the tradeoffs of the possible solutions better than any other candidate.

She can guide us through the difficult times ahead.

That's what our country needs.

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I am amazed that she says that the right response is "getting up and moving", when those words so clearly could be applied to her relationship with husband. She stayed with a habitual philanderer who lied and humiliated her. I can't say why Obama stayed with his church, but I think Hillary stayed with Bill because she wanted to become a senator and then president. She would never have been elected in New York if she had divorced Bill Clinton.

Posted by: LoisHK | March 25, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

You also choose the dresses you leave on the floor of the oval office.

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Quote: 'To webg... As far as I am concerned, Obama and Clinton are still vying for the nomination, although given Obama's character flaws and inexperience, the Democratic party is better off with him withdrawing from the race"

Well, there is living proof that the exit polls are correct. Clinton supporters have the least education. Talk about character flaws with Sen. Clinton. Read this thread.

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Devil with a blue dress... devil with a blue dress... on the floor of the oval office.

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

cjfluker
I agree with you. I am appalled that Mrs. Clinton totally disregard the content of Obama's Pennsylvania speech, as well as Rev. Wright's total sermon in its entirety. If anyone who can say Obama's speech as double talk he/she is an idiot. And Mrs. Clinton came down to right at that level. It is almost unethical as a leader. OR Had Hillary ever READ or WATC?HED these two speeches? Did she really get down to the issues of races, and patriotism? OR she is just appealing to the idiot level? At least, her answers showed true ignorance and insensitivity. Not only to African Americans, but also to educated Superdelegates! It is appalling!

Posted by: humblesage | March 25, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Shame on you, Hillary Rodham Clinton! Get out, and get out now. If this is all you have to offer, then "no thanks." If you drop out before you do any more damage to the Democratic nominee, maybe he will make you his roving ambassador. You could go around the world to dangerous trouble spots that he'd be afraid of going to. You could even bring Chelsea along, too. Her policy assistance might be useful, now that she's been through college. Maybe Sinbad and Cheryl Crow are still available, but we could leave it to you to put together your crack team of experts.

Posted by: johnsonc2 | March 25, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

"just found out that Obama is descended from James Madison"

If that is true, why is he hanging out with Wright, a descendent of Satan?

Posted by: GeneWells | March 25, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

He wouldn't be her pastor because he doesn't offer a discount on cleaning stains from blue dresses.

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 25, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Now she is saying she was "sleep-deprived" and mis-spoke.

So much for the 3AM phone call commercial. She would be too "sleep-deprived" to take it.

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Had Obama gotten rid of his long time friend and pastor for politcal gain, we'd be complaining about that also. I am sure we all have friends and, yes, family who have done or said some outrageous things but we still have affection for them and don't kick them out of our lives. I'm sure manyof you have friends and family that you agree to disagree with them. Personally, I would have less respect for anyone who would give up a friend for political or monetary gain.

Mrs. Clinton could have taken the high road and refused to comment on the issue. I also applaud her for not giving up on her marriage - people do make mistakes.

My point is that they both have some qualities that are undesirable - I believe it is a prerequisite for a politician to bend the truth. The trick is deciding who is more or less truthful.

To be honest, I think America is a great country, faults and all - and she does have her faults. The beauty is that we Americans have the right to criticize her without reprisal. Have I always been proud of America - No. Do I love her with all - unequivocally - Yes. Do I have to wear a pin of the american flag on my lapel to show my patriotism - No. A cheap pin that's probably made in China can not capture the love I have for this dysfunctional America.

Posted by: republicrat | March 25, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "I don't know about the rest of you concerned citizens, but I for one am now certainly concerned about the mental/emotional/spiritual health of the Clintons."

Ain't it the truth. Surely she knows that every movement that she makes is being filmed and that lying about her experience in Bosnia, to enhance her chances, will come back to bite her. She has made the same comment several times and just last week to reporters. It was made in a written speech, so she didn't "mis-speak". Maybe she thinks her supporters are so ignorant that they won't know the difference or maybe she thinks they just don't care. And she is probably right on that one.

Posted by: wly34 | March 25, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Cool - just found out that Obama is descended from James Madison - father of the constitution who initially wrote in the checks and balances to protect America against the influence of special interests.

All these many years later and now here is Obama, a constitutional lawyer - working to put Madison's checks and balances back to rights. Call it the will of the ancestors. Obama is meant to be the next president.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 25, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Hillary/McCain ticket?

well, why not? She has joined forces with Swift Boat Veterns and FoxNews.
since she isn't going to get the Florida or Michigan vote, since she is behind in the count, AND now that she is AND has been LYING about Bosnia, she'll do anything to attempt to win, even if it means blowing up her own party.

Dean, take her to the wood shed!

Posted by: wkmerryman | March 25, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

It must have been hard for him to avoid Christianity before, he spent most of his life in the US. I don't know much about his grandparents but I assume they celebrated some of the holidays, and if not than probably his friends. The US still is a Christian country and it was a lot more so when he was growing up.

I copied this from the mission statement..

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.
http://www.tucc.org/about.htm

Posted by: evelyn3091 | March 25, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Copy paste. Lie smear. Fling feces. Whine. Repeat.

Posted by: meg54136 |

Is this the Obama campaign's list of procedures?

Posted by: edanddot | March 25, 2008 09:26 PM

No my poor reading dot. That's Dr. svreader PhD's syllabus. And the rest of you Hillary/GOP trolls.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

To webg... Please don't confuse Obama as being the Democratic nominee. He is not. As far as I am concerned, Obama and Clinton are still vying for the nomination, although given Obama's character flaws and inexperience, the Democratic party is better off with him withdrawing from the race

Posted by: CPCook | March 25, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm not surprised by Hillary's comments. Hillary is unattractive and divisive as a candidate. Why do you think Bill Clinton cheated on her numerous times (at least 4)in the past?

The attack on Rev. Wright is unfair. This constant attacking has shifted from Obama to his church and faith. I recall the constant issues surrounding Mitt Romney's Mormon faith which prompted him to a speech entitled "Faith in America". To all my fellow Christians, Democratic, Independent, and Republican, we must not tolerate the constant attacks of the media on religion. Of all the remaining candidates, Obama has the most faith focused insight of them all.

Posted by: ajtiger92 | March 25, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I am glad that Hillary spoke on the issue. By being silent, one could assume that it was okay to be racist. Hillary's comments were right on since the issue about Rev Wright is Obama's response. I was so disappointed with the media after it gave Obama yet another pass on his character issues.

Congratulations to Hillary for addressing the issue as it is, and not giving some speech that does not address the questions.

Posted by: CPCook | March 25, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

The context I saw when I watched the video of Wright was a guy shucking and jiving and seeming to celebrate 9/11 and he wiggled around while he said the chickes had come home to roost. A bad dancing racist.

Posted by: GeneWells | March 25, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

I agree with CLINTON, She unlike OBAMA answers questions. I want to know why the media isn't informing voters about OBAMA's PRO-HAMAS stance???????????????? IS the media also anti-semitic?

http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=27120

Posted by: mjno | March 25, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Copy paste. Lie smear. Fling feces. Whine. Repeat.

Posted by: meg54136 |

Is this the Obama campaign's list of procedures?

Posted by: edanddot | March 25, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

For anyone actually interested in the non-Faux Noise/Hillary version of what Reverend Wright was really saying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ&feature=related and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw&feature=related

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

"Clinton WEIGHS IN on Wright Controversy"? Uh, didn't her campaign initiate it?

Tsk tsk.

But I bet if Obama's pastor had been Jerry Falwell, or Pat Robertson, or John Hagee she'd have nothing bad to say, right?

Why the double standard?

Posted by: poortrekker | March 25, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Wright is a hate mongering racist. I don't believe Hillary or any of her aides are preaching hate and racism. I believe it was Barry who gave us the now infamous quote "THE TYPICAL WHITE PERSON." You Kool-Aid drinkers are really desperate now. Comparing Hillary's exaggeration to Barry's 20 year relationship with his pastor who spews hate and racism.

Posted by: edanddot | March 25, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Are these Clinton supporters really Dems? They sound like Dittoheads. Except meaner. Go Obama!

Posted by: lance_monotone | March 25, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Hillary wasn't sitting in a racist, hate America church for 20 years. She was working hard for all Americans. Do-nothing Obama can talk all he wants, but action is better than words. Hillary loses the nomination, and like many other Democratic Floridians, I'm voting for the other Democrat, John McCain.

Posted by: jubran1 | March 25, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

LOL Dr. svreader PhD

Copy paste. Lie smear. Fling feces. Whine. Repeat.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

"Not clear why Obama went to an afro-centric church at all"

Evelyn, this is the church that fostered his community organizing on the south side of Chicago, which involved getting unemployed folks & folks in the projects to take control of their lives.
He worked with this church & its parrishoners to improve the lives of people in the area. It was his first intimate exposure to Christianity.

Posted by: SoldiersMom | March 25, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are in denial.

They just don't "get it"

The fact that Obama allied himself with someone who spouts anti-white, anti-semitic, and anti-American rhetoric is a "deal breaker"

Its the number #1 topic of water cooler conversation around the country.

Most "Typical White People" had no idea that stuff like this has been going on.

People are really, really, angry about it.

Obama's supporters try to spin it into being about a single sermon.

Its not.

Its about a 20 year relationship.

Its about Obama choosing Wright to be his "Spritual Advisor"

It's about Obama's lies.

Its about Obama talking out of"both sides of his mouth.

Obama presented himself as a paragon of virtue and someone on a higher ethical plane than other candidates.

He's repeatedly shown through his actions that he isn't.

He's like a human chameleon.

He turns into a completely different person depending on what group of people he's with.

He's lied to us and fooled us over and over.

America doesn't trust him anymore.

He's toast.

He deserves to be.

The real Barry Obama is a really bad guy.

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Hey tom - if the Clinton's want McCain to win then whatever - they need to step aside, let the American people decide - because they are not going to win against McCain. It's not for them to destroy Obama and hand a win to McCain - which would make them no small traitors to the Democratic Party.

They need to suck up their egos and go away. The American people have spoken loud and clear enough now - they don't want the Clinton's back. They had their 8 years, they now need to back off.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 25, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

For anyone actually interested in the non-Faux Noise/Hillary version of what Reverend Wright was really saying:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ&feature=related and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw&feature=related

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Hillary wouldn't have left the church. She would have just 'misremembered' what the pastor said.

Anyway, apparently she's been involved with a fairly rightwing prayer group in Congress with Santorum and Brownbeck - are we to believe they've NEVER said anything questionable? Or can we count on Hilary's memory to be a bit off on that as well?

You know, there's something wrong with the picture when one's first reaction to just about anything Hillary says is...is that really true? I'm just sayin'....

Posted by: TomJx | March 25, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

I cannot help but respond to that idiot jkallen001.

Yes that intellectual genius who insults Clinton supporters like me. A man so small that he could not make a honest political discourse without resorting to venom.

What a pompous and shallow individual. He thinks that having a $400 dollar computer and$ 10 dollar internet access already makes him superior to everybody.You may consider yourself a professional but you are nothing but a worm. That is why I am in favor of abortion. The world would have been far better if this man was aborted while still in his mother's womb.

Posted by: tim591 | March 25, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

P.S. You have to scroll down to the March 21 entry.
Peace --Blanca

Posted by: SoldiersMom | March 25, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

P.S. You have to scroll down to the March 21 entry.
Peace --Blanca

Posted by: SoldiersMom | March 25, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Hilary should've kept her d*nm mouth shut. Not only about Rev. Wright but about her Bosnia expedition. At least Wright spoke the truth no matter how distasteful it was for others to swallow. She is a flaming hypocrite and a compulsive liar.

Posted by: tydicea | March 25, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

It is a fair assumption that somebody is racist if he is voluntarily listening to racist speeches for 20 years. If it is true that all or most black churches are like that we have a big problem and we should be able to discuss it in a civilized way.
Not clear why Obama went to an afro-centric church at all. His ancestors were not slaves, his father applied to come here to study and got some kind of stipendium to boot. It is not exactly being used by the white people.
He was accepted by the best universities in the country so it is hard to understand where, why and how he got the "rage" except for political purposes.

Posted by: evelyn3091 | March 25, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

LOL Dr. svreader PhD

Copy paste. Lie smear. Fling feces, Whine. Repeat.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 25, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Anne E. Kornblut

Wow...didn't expect such biased reporting at the Post........can any politician make a mistak? Or only Hilary Clinton!

What were you doing 12 years ago....PLEASE!

CNN needs you on their staff...along with the other homophobic women they occasionally let speak!

Posted by: accountability_in_gov | March 25, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

This is really sad for HRC. She used to stand for something. She's discredited herself. She's desperate, and trying to revive the fading Wright scandal because she was caught in a lie about Bosnia. It's pathetic.

And bigotry like this has no place in the Dem party.

Posted by: al75 | March 25, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

If obama is nominated, I feel that the presidency will go to the Republicans. The big blue states will turn red.

Posted by: milton_dsilva | March 25, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

I would have posted a comment sooner but I was dodging sniper fire in my yard. Hillary's way better on the issues than McCain but she sure is making it hard to consider voting for her should she get the nomination.

First, she is bashing a rising star in her own party. Second, she would be asking for my vote in the general election even though she will have lost the popular vote, number of states, and pledged delegate count to Obama. But maybe most problematic is her arrogance.

Can we have a discussion on the issues instead of these personal attacks, please?

Posted by: grassy123 | March 25, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are in denial.

They just don't "get it"

The fact that Obama allied himself with someone who spouts anti-white, anti-semitic, and anti-American rhetoric is a "deal breaker"

Its the number #1 topic of water cooler conversation around the country.

Most "Typical White People" had no idea that stuff like this has been going on.

People are really, really, angry about it.

Obama's supporters try to spin it into being about a single sermon.

Its not.

Its about a 20 year relationship.

Its about Obama choosing Wright to be his "Spritual Advisor"

It's about Obama's lies.

Its about Obama talking out of"both sides of his mouth.

Obama presented himself as a paragon of virtue and someone on a higher ethical plane than other candidates.

He's repeatedly shown through his actions that he isn't.

He's like a human chameleon.

He turns into a completely different person depending on what group of people he's with.

He's lied to us and fooled us over and over.

America doesn't trust him anymore.

He's toast.

He deserves to be.

The real Barry Obama is a really bad guy.

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

As an Independent voter, I was leaning to Obama but now I'm not so sure. I'd like to know him a bit better before I commit to him. And I'd like to see ALL the voters cast their ballots before we chase Hilary out of the race.

Chance are I'll continue to be an Independent voter up to the time of the election. I might vote for McCain or the Democratic nominee or not vote at all.

Just my two cents.

Posted by: itchoo18 | March 25, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Will folks PLEASE listen to 10 minutes of Rev. Wright's sermons? They are NOT hate-speech. They call us to account for our sins (as Americans), get our OWN house in order, before we think about going off on a revenge crusade against Muslims.
Please, listen for 10 minutes if you care about America.http://blogs.tampabay.com/media/

Posted by: SoldiersMom | March 25, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

If sleep deprivation causes Hillary to act this bizarre, what will she do when she gets the 3 a.m. call?

Posted by: middlerd1 | March 25, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Hahahahahahaha - she couldn't resist it.

I tell ya, the Clinton camp definitely had a hand in getting this Wright swiftboating attempt jump-started - swiftboating is all they have got now to try and secure the nomination - scary eh?

Except it didn't work as well as she had hoped, so now she is out there warts and all, twisting the knife, trying to make it stick.

You know the perfect comeback for this? Obama saying 'if I was a woman and had a husband who cheated on my repeatedly, he would no longer be my husband - even if it was more politically advantageous to me not to divorce him'. But then, that won't happen, cos Obama's got class.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 25, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is right. I agree with her.

Posted by: nguyenpost | March 25, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Oscar --

Not true. Most Democrats love both Bill and Hillary Clinton.

Obama played the media like a cheap violin.

He tricked them into failing to check him.

Once the press realizes its been "played" they'll dig into his background and that will be the end of him.

He's not a very nice guy, to say the least.

His supporters will realize that they too have been played for fools, and his support will drop like a rock.

Obama supporters don't really hate Hillary, they just want to get rid of her because they see he as being in the way of Obama.

Once they realize Obama has fooled them, they'll remember that they liked Hillary all along.

Republicans are afraid of Hillary.

That's why they pushed so hard to make sure Obama would be the candidate.

They can't beat Hillary.

They would have crushed Obama.


Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

The time is ripe for a third political party in the United States and the prediction does not include political lunatics such as Nader. America repines for closure of this Presidency due to Bush's hostile environment with policies contradictory to his professed values. His grandiose and arrogance is similar to that of Nader and Obama. The options of John McCain or novice Barak Obama will prove to be the downfall of the Democratic Party. Americans will not elect Obama to be the President of the United States. On the other hand, the Democratic Party will lose their core members due to the horror of watching Pastor Wright, the anti-American sentiments of Mrs. Obama, and the poor judgment of Barak Obama. The inimical environment created by Axelrod and Obama and will not be forgotten, and Obama's assault for the presidency will destroy the Democratic Party.

Posted by: Cantabrigian | March 25, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I am a Republican of 38 years who has gone down to change registration because of this injustice. The main stream media has jumped on the bandwagon with the right wing media to castigate Barack Obama for what I found to be a message that was right on the money. It is absurd to make judgements on the content of the 35 minute sermon unless you take the time to listen to it. If you do, and if you are a Christian, you will see that the Reverend Wright was right on (no pun intended). I will vote for Obama on June 3 in the South Dakota primary and again in the general in November. He is the only hope we have to move away from the status quo in Washington, and God knows we need to do something different in our government. Go Obama!

Posted by: ammo | March 25, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse


God, she's dirty. Nothing is beneath her.

Her repretoire is getting even, padding her
miserable lack of experience and lashing out. What HAS she ever done, when you get down to it? Her debacle on health care?

Marry Bill? And fail to notice as he
molested or had affairs with any woman in the WH who was standing still?

The international press is
hooting at her. She's making a fool of herself. She'd have such respect traveling abroad.

Posted by: whistling | March 25, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Why does Barack obama need Secret Service Protection?
Because they fear he might be in danger.
Does that mean that he is in danger?
Is it possible that when landing in Bosnia there was that same fear even though at that particular moment there was no sniper fire.
Watch the video. This is not a leisurly stroll. They are not running, but they are surrounded by military and there is no big greeting ceremony. She talks to the little girl and that's about it.
I am willing to give Hillary Clinton the benifit of the doubt. There are people who see it one way and those who see it another. Lissa Muscatine gave a statement confirming Hillary's recollection.
Hillary has said that her statement wasn't totally true, but I don't believe it was totally false.
Be careful how much Joy you get from this, you never know, tomorrow we may get confirmation of her statement. The fact is that none of us can probably give exact details of things that happened years ago and two people at the same event will have a different memory of it based on their perspective. The others on the plane may not have been privy to information that Hillary had. If this is the only lie or exageration she has made, then she is a much better choice than Obama who lies all the time and talks out of both sides of his mouth.
The media are very biased in Obama's favor and unless they are forced to they will not cover anything negative about him.
I believe there will be much more information about Barack Obama that the media will not be able to ignore. So if you support Obama, you might want to tone down the Frenzy over this.

Posted by: chersplace | March 25, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Why did Andrea Mitchell, who was with Clinton when she was NOT dodging snipers, not call Hillary on her lies? Is it because her husband, Alan Greenspan is close to the Clintons, and Hillary has hinted she will use Greenspan to "fix" the economy?

Posted by: middlerd1 | March 25, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Senator Cinton cuts a pathetic figure. Her claim to "experience" is at best delusional and at worst an outright fabrication. The best she can muster is a scurrilous attack against Obama by attacking his minister for words Obama has already repudiated.

It will not work. Most new Democratics will stay home if Senator Clinton somehow manages to swing the Democratic nomination.

Posted by: OscarMayer2 | March 25, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

IT'S JUDGEMENT STUPID!

ANY IDIOT WOULD HAVE LEFT WHEN PASTOR WRIGHT WAS PREACHING HIS HATE. BUT BARACK H. OBAMA STAYED FOR 20 YEARS. HOW CAN TWE ELECT TO THE PRESIDENCY SOMEONE WITH SUCH A BAD JUDGEMENT?

Posted by: barajo | March 25, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

So now HRC is trying to pin her habitual lying on her Methodist upbringing?!?!?

When will the madness stop!

Posted by: JPRS | March 25, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

People are finding out who Barry Obama really is and they don't like what they see.

He's a slick, slimy, Chicago politician.

The only color he cares about is the green of money.

Obama constantly took credit for bills he wasn't even involved with, starting back in Chicago, and he showed he has absolutely no shame by grabbing the microphone and talking about getting up for 7am meetings about bills that he never even went to.

Obama lied about Rezko on national TV during the debates.

Obama lied about Rev. Wright.

Barry Obama has pulled the biggest "con-job" in history by using his "new kind of politics" pitch to stop the press from looking into his past.

Republicans won't be the least bit shy about doing what the press has failed to do so far.

If we Democrats nominate him, we're going to lose by a landslide.

He's a slick politician.

Just like Bush.

He got elected in Chicago by forcing everyone else off the ballot.

Now he's trying to prevent FL and MI voters from having their votes count.

Just like Bush did with Florida.

Posted by: svreader | March 25, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

BARACK H. OBAMA IS A LOSER AND WILL NOT BE ELECTED. BUT THE DEMOCRATS WILL NOMINATE HIM ANYWAY JUST AS THEY NOMINATED MCGOVERN, MCCARTHY, KERRY, DUKAKIS. MARK MY WORDS, MCCAIN (HERO TO MANY, WILL EAT HIM ALIVE)

Posted by: barajo | March 25, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

katmandu1:

I read both the links you provided (articles) and I don't have a clue as to what you would find objectionable.

On one (from years ago) the minister said he will never say the "n" word again, and on the other (also several years ago) Obama was talking about his faith.

Where's the controversy? Please explain.

Posted by: nandssmith | March 25, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse


I don't know about the rest of you concerned citizens, but I for one am now certainly concerned about the mental/emotional/spiritual health of the Clintons.

Sure we can make fun of all the delusional lying and distortions of the truth from the Clinton campaign; and

...Yes, I know, every hour it seems there's another twisted example of another version of something or other demonstrating a dwindling grasp of reality,

But I submit we should show compassion and try to get the Clintons into a loving, professional, healing environment where they can figure out how they've become so miserably corrupt and ruthless and careless and cruel after so many years of service to others.

Posted by: skyriak | March 25, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

The opportunities for Senator Clinton to preserve her honor and reputation by withdrawing from this race and uniting the party around its front-runner -- rather than trying, as she is doing now, to destroy him and the party's chances in November if necessary -- are rapidly fading. History will look favorably on Hillary Clinton if she stops this Republican-style assault on Barack Obama now. It will condemn her if she does not.

Posted by: AntonioV | March 25, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse


I don't know about the rest of you concerned citizens, but I for one am now certainly concerned about the mental/emotional/spiritual health of the Clintons.

Sure we can make fun of all the delusional lying and distortions of the truth from the Clinton campaign; and

...Yes, I know, every hour it seems there's another twisted example of another version of something or other demonstrating a dwindling grasp of reality,

But I submit we should show compassion and try to get the Clintons into a loving, professional, healing environment where they can figure out how they've become so miserably corrupt and ruthless and careless and cruel after so many years of service to others.

Posted by: skyriak | March 25, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama people are getting uglier by the day...particularly saying they don't agree with Wright. What's the matter? You mean Obama didn't know his minister was a racist? Obama got married by Wright and his kids got confirmed. Give me a break.

Posted by: board5walk51 | March 25, 2008 08:17 PM
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If Obama is a racist because Wright said something racist, then should Hillary also be considered a criminal because of Hsu and Peter Paul?

Posted by: middlerd1 | March 25, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

let's call HRC's comments what they were - a lie. There was at least no lie in Jeremiah Wright's sermon. You may not like his delivery, but he did not tell a single lie. cfc Posted by: carlsonchaf | March 25, 2008 07:55 PM

So whites gave blacks drugs just to put them in jail? I personally would prefer not to have my money spent on feeding, clothing and caring for criminals. Better not swear on a bible any time soon - you may get the shock of your life.

Posted by: dl569 | March 25, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has no business telling people who they should associate with. Did she have such high standards when she and her husband kept compay with the McDougals? Shillary is such a fraud, who can believe anything she says, except she will do anything to win.

Posted by: RealChoices | March 25, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Bill Burton and his cohorts in the Obama campaign are so funny.

They keep on looking for dirt on Sen. Clinton and now they complain when a painful truth is made on their candidate.

No! No! No! Your candidate wallowed in the mud with the Rev. Wright and this mud will stick to him forever.

Okay, Bill Burton and company, let us sing
"GODDAM AMERICA, LAND THAT I LOATH....

Posted by: tim591 | March 25, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

chersplace the truth hurts....even when it happen to be a black man stating facts....you thought they were animals but they can read and they are open to interpretation......and they don't hate whites they just love black people more.....and all the BS blacks have gone through to get America to this point ....they have the right to love themselves....and if you think that they are gonna swallow everything that the government pushes you have another thing coming ......they didn't do it when they were oppressed and you think its gonna happen as free acting citizens all of America will never be ready for a black president but there is enough of us free thinking people black white brown green orange and yellow to see past this opaque cloud of mischeif

Posted by: exhooper | March 25, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

chersplace the truth hurts....even when it happen to be a black man stating facts....you thought they were animals but they can read and they are open to interpretation......and they don't hate whites they just love black people more.....and all the BS blacks have gone through to get America to this point ....they have the right to love themselves....and if you think that they are gonna swallow everything that the government pushes you have another thing coming ......they didn't do it when they were oppressed and you think its gonna happen as free acting citizens all of America will never be ready for a black president but there is enough of us free thinking people black white brown green orange and yellow to see past this opaque cloud of mischeif

Posted by: exhooper | March 25, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

There's a Palestinian-American businessman by the name of Ali Abunimah who had met with Obama & his wife at a fundraiser at Rashid Khalidi's (may have been PLO activist). He has been quoted as saying that Obama told him that he felt the US favored Israel way too much and wanted to do something about it. Abunimah said that Obama said he had to be quiet on the issue in order to get into a position to do something about it. And Obama also has Robert Malloy as a foreign policy advisor. This man has blamed Israel in the past and wants to do business with Hamas. I don't think Obama can be trusted.

Posted by: dl569 | March 25, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Obama people are getting uglier by the day...particularly saying they don't agree with Wright. What's the matter? You mean Obama didn't know his minister was a racist? Obama got married by Wright and his kids got confirmed. Give me a break.

Posted by: board5walk51 | March 25, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

WE,THE PEOPLE KNOWS:
HILLARY MOUTH IS SHAPED LIKE YOUR MOUTH...

HOWARD DEAN, ASK BARACK OBAMA TO NAME HIS VICE-PRESIDENT.....

AIN'T NO STOPPING US NOW...HILLARY LIES AIN'T WORKING NOW..

PEOPLE GET READY!! HEAR COMES "TRICKY DICK" IN 2008!!! HOWARD DEAN, YOU WANT THE WHITE HOUSE TO GO TO THE REPUBLICANS...

THE GAMES ARE OFF....READ 1 CORINTHIANS 14:38 AND 1 CORINTHIANS 14:40

RIGHTEOUSNESS WIL WIN IN THE END...GET RIGHT OR GET LEFTTTTTTTTTT

Posted by: ifwallscouldtalkk | March 25, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

And, Velostrummer, you are really a piece of work! You are obviously so ignorant that there is no hope for you. (and, obviously, you have both sexual and racial identity issues of your own to deal with).

Posted by: mo897 | March 25, 2008 08:12 PM
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So, essentially, you don't have an answer to Velostrummer, so you call him gay. Yep, sounds like a Hillary supporter

Posted by: middlerd1 | March 25, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

WE,THE PEOPLE KNOWS:
HILLARY MOUTH IS SHAPED LIKE YOUR MOUTH...

HOWARD DEAN, ASK BARACK OBAMA TO NAME HIS VICE-PRESIDENT.....

AIN'T NO STOPPING US NOW...HILLARY LIES AIN'T WORKING NOW..

PEOPLE GET READY!! HEAR COMES "TRICKY DICK" IN 2008!!! HOWARD DEAN, YOU WANT THE WHITE HOUSE TO GO TO THE REPUBLICANS...

THE GAMES ARE OFF....READ 1 CORINTHIANS 14:38 AND 1 CORINTHIANS 14:40

RIGHTEOUSNESS WIL WIN IN THE END...GET RIGHT OR GET LEFTTTTTTTTTT

Posted by: ifwallscouldtalkk | March 25, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Reverand Wright was there to support Bill Clinton at the White House in his hour of need after he perjured himself (and his wife lied to cover it up) about the Monica Lewinski affair.

Even McCain and other top Republicans refused to critize Obama or Reverend Wright over this recent flap.

Hillary Clinton. I started out supporting you for the Democratic nomination. I will now NEVER vote for you; no way, no how. No I will not vote for McCain or the Republican party. The only choice left for me (if Hillary steals the nomination) is to write in Obama; then I will switch to an Independent status.

Posted by: nandssmith | March 25, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

WE,THE PEOPLE KNOWS:
HILLARY MOUTH IS SHAPED LIKE YOUR MOUTH...

HOWARD DEAN, ASK BARACK OBAMA TO NAME HIS VICE-PRESIDENT.....

AIN'T NO STOPPING US NOW...HILLARY LIES AIN'T WORKING NOW..

PEOPLE GET READY!! HEAR COMES "TRICKY DICK" IN 2008!!! HOWARD DEAN, YOU WANT THE WHITE HOUSE TO GO TO THE REPUBLICANS...

THE GAMES ARE OFF....READ 1 CORINTHIANS 14:38 AND 1 CORINTHIANS 14:40

RIGHTEOUSNESS WIL WIN IN THE END...GET RIGHT OR GET LEFTTTTTTTTTT

Posted by: ifwallscouldtalkk | March 25, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama has a whole new controversy coming up, assuming the MSM doesn't give him a pass on it. One of Obama's other religious confidants was the Rev. Meeks, as pointed out in this Chicago Sun-Times article.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/falsani/726619,obamafalsani040504.article

"Another person Obama says he seeks out for spiritual counsel is state Sen. James Meeks, who is also the pastor of Chicago's Salem Baptist Church. The day after Obama won the primary in March, he stopped by Salem for Wednesday-night Bible study.

"I know that he's a person of prayer," Meeks says. "The night after the election, he was the hottest thing going from Galesburg to Rockford. He did all the TV shows, and all the morning news, but his last stop at night was for church. He came by to say thank you, and he came by for prayer."

Here's a local news report on Meeks, which is on You Tube, and which is as highly charged as Wright's video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM2M11BsA3g

Here's the CBS News print story about Meeks:

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/James.Meeks.Mayor.2.330967.html

Posted by: katmandu1 | March 25, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

The time is ripe for a third political party in the United States and the prediction does not include political lunatics such as Nader. America repines for closure of this Presidency due to Bush's hostile environment with policies contradictory to his professed values. His grandiose and arrogance is similar to that of Nader and Obama. Obama's flimsy resume is actually less than that offered by Nader. The options of John McCain or novice Barak Obama will prove to be the downfall of the Democratic Party. Americans will not elect Obama to be the President of the United States. On the other hand, the Democratic Party will lose their core members due to their horror at watching Pastor Wright, the anti-American sentiments of Mrs. Obama, and the poor judgment of Barak Obama. The inimical environment created by Axelrod and Obama will not be forgotten, and Obama's assault for the presidency will destroy the Democratic Party.

Posted by: Cantabrigian | March 25, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

And, Velostrummer, you are really a piece of work! You are obviously so ignorant that there is no hope for you. (and, obviously, you have both sexual and racial identity issues of your own to deal with).

Posted by: mo897 | March 25, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Why is Hillary Clinton attacking the Democratic nominee? Isn't that something only Republicans should be doing? Don't tell me Obama isn't the nominee. He will be, even if Clinton tears him to pieces in the hope that superdelegates will think he can't win.

Posted by: webg | March 25, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse


Please be honest at least once in this campaign, HI-LIAR-Y

Posted by: ericamekan | March 25, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Clinton said recently "those are the rules of the Democratic Party. Now if you don't like the rules, change them going forward but those are the rules. "

So, Mrs Clinton, what about Michigan and Florida? Do the rules apply, if you think they are no good, should we try to change them going forward or should we dump THOSE rules now because they aren't convenient for you?

Posted by: middlerd1 | March 25, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

These comments are an individual patriotic American voter's opinions, not affiliated with the campaign. There is no KKK in Hillary's closet. There is an Anti-Semitic, militant revolutionist, who is most certainly a racist. These are facts, not bitterness, which ought to be used to judge who occupies the highest political office in this great country. We do not want a dishonest, bigot in the White House. No Obama NO NO NO

Posted by: JACRUZ1 | March 25, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

I really have to question Barak's patriotism:

Here's BHO's resume:
1) stopped wearing american flag lapel pin as US Senator, stating it was 'false patriotism'
2) chooses to leave islam to worship with Rev Wright for 18 yrs, who encourages congregation to sing "g-d d-amn america'
3) Ivy league wife of ivy league senator BHO gets a $200000 raise the day he is elected to the senate as a 'community outreach' officer for a Chicago Hospital. When her hubby wins the Iowa primary, she states she is proud of America for the first time in her life.

BHO is professional chip on shoulder type.


Posted by: rahaha | March 25, 2008 07:40 PM
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Obama was never a Muslim. Therefore, he did not "leave Islam."

There doesn't appear to be any evidence Obama sat through "g-d d-amn america" sermons at his church.

Why do you care if he or his wife attended an Ivy League school, or what their salary is?

Last time I checked, Bill and Hillary Clinton are both Ivy League grads. And their salary is a lot higher than the Obamas. Do they also have a chip on their shoulder?

Posted by: smc91 | March 25, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

It is my understanding that Clinton's minister has DEFENDED the Rev. Wright. I'm interested in in hearing why she is staying in her own congregation.

Posted by: Phrank1 | March 25, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I would like someone on this post who has said that now that they listened to the complete comments by Wright, they don't see a problem with them, to answer this.

How do you justify what he said regarding Natalee Holloway.
He said "Black women are being raped in Africa but some white girl gets drunk and gives it up on some foriegn beach and it's in the news for months".
How do you justify that. He could easily have made the same point without the reference to her getting drunk, or the reference to her giving it up. This young girl was murdered. This young girl has family who lost their child.

And how do you justify Reverend Wright standing on the church pulpit and gyrating in imitation of a sexual act, while insulting President Bill Clinton.
I thought is was disgusting, and totally inappropriate from the church pulpit.

Tell me how these comments are Christian.
Tell me how these comments are acceptable.

Hillary Clinton did not make an issue of this. She was asked a question about how she would react and she answered it honestly.
Watch the interview instead of the way the media is spinning it.
You are defending Wright by saying you have to hear the whole sermon, at least have the same courtesy, and listen to the whole interview before you once again condemn Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: chersplace | March 25, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse


Yo, Billary:

We have a choice when it comes to who our presidents are,

... and it most certainly is NOT you.

It's not McBush either.

Posted by: skyriak | March 25, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Democrats are a bunch of fools.....you should all vote republican....another thing some white are a trip and some blacks are just as bad....but to be divide on words that did not come out of the mans mouth is very dumb.....Hillary lied and as bad as Barracks situation has gotten he has'nt point fingers he has tried to share his bicultural life.....but some people whiteness or blackness doesn't allow this to happen....it is funnyt because as much as you don't want to believe it he is white too.....he goes to a black church because his wife is black.....now all the men can understand this.....pick your battles...she can have church..I'm watching football after.....this is real life stuff.....Wright brought him to God....what is funny once you know God you don't need someone to speak to him for you...so why would any God loving Christian make Wright's words Obamas......oh I know why because hes racist....and the other 8000 members including the whites that attend church.......at my church we are triple racist because no whites go to my church........you dummies keep supporting Hillary and your children or grandchildren will have a roadside bomd in their future......Hillary 08

Posted by: exhooper | March 25, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

JACRUZ1,

clearly empathy isn't in your vocabulary nor can you relate to people who are "different" from you or had a different up-ringing... take the silver spoon out of your a$$ and wax out of your ears so what little grey matter you have can actually soak up what is going on around you...

Posted by: jkallen001 | March 25, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

The Obamabot high schoolers are at it again. So, Hillary answers a question about how she would react to Wright's comments and she is accused of playing the race card. Her answer is what any responsible person would have done (except for Obama). Hey Johnson2, what a bunch of BS from you!! And, another Obamabot that wants to criticize Hillary for the Bill/Monica issue. Hey Chunkymunkey1, what a bunch of BS from you!! (you obviously have some deep seated sexual issues of your own to deal with).

Hillary Clinton is the best qualified candidate to be President. Unfortunately, for you Obamabots, you can't talk about qualifications for Obama, since he has none, so you take cheap shots at Clinton. But, the voters will vote and they will tell you decisively what they think of Obamabot BS in the upcoming primaries.

Posted by: mo897 | March 25, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Actually, this whole racism thing started when Bill Clinton gratuitously compared Obama's SC win to Jesse Jackson. Remember that guy? For all you Shrillary fans that have such short term memories, Rev. Jackson was the guy that "counseled" President Clinton after he finally had to admit to lying to the country about that woman, Ms. Lewinsky, because apparently it was true that there was a huge semen stain on a famous blue dress. Bosnia is Shrillary's SEMEN STAIN and all she is doing now is trying to change the story away from her great big SEMEN STAIN OF A LIE ABOUT SNIPER FIRE!!

Posted by: VeloStrummer | March 25, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

"Here's another narcissistic clown who thinks that two-faced liar Obama is the Democratic Party. "
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Waitaminit, I didn't know that it was Obama who claimed to have dodged snipers' bullets. Hmmm... maybe he "misspoke"?

On a more serious note, I think the Clinton's realize that they are done. That is why they are repeatedly talking about how McCain is so great. They realize that it is going to be Obama vs. McCain and they want McCain to win, so they can run in 2012 with an "I told you so".
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Posted by: middlerd1 | March 25, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

The rest of the country has moved on from this garbage. If Hillary thinks this is a rational argument, I'd like to ask her why she is with Bill Clinton, after he has cheated on her repeatedly? Hillary?

This is over. The queen has no clothes. Someone please ger Her Majesty a mirror so we can end this insanity.

Posted by: BethesdaMD | March 25, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHA clinton supporters (and paid campaign staffers!) are such sheep. that and they clearly work during the day in some sort of non-professional position (no computer/internet access) because i was checking the blogs all day and none of these stupid, ignorant, sheepish pro-clinton comments were infecting these blogs like they are now. you guys have always been pretty ignorant of most things but now you are also BITTER as well... a disgrace to this country indeed.

Posted by: jkallen001 | March 25, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

We don't want Hillary.

Lying Hillary.

Racist Hillary.

Bill's joke wife Hillary.

Go back to your job at Walmart, Hillary,

and continue to press for the corporate right to destroy unions and outsource jobs.

You and Bill were really good at destroying the Democratic Party--

you still are.

Posted by: lichtme | March 25, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

What is one slightly misrepresented fact (the snipers were there!) compared to being anti-Semitic, Anti-American and Racist. That's what Jeremiah Wright is and that's what Barack Obama was for 20 years. Let's be realistic shall we?

Posted by: JACRUZ1 | March 25, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not ready for the Repuglican attack machine. Beside, have you noticed he looks like J Fred Muggs? HRC will be ready to hit the ground running on Day One. You Go Girl.

-Harold Icky

Posted by: rahaha | March 25, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

So nice to see all of the Shrillary enablers out here trying to lay down some heavy cover fire for their beloved liar of a candidate. The depths these people will go to to support and enable this pathological liar is unbelievable.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | March 25, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

And you can pick your husband too. So where was her moral high ground when Bill was sexually harassing his entire female staff?

Now that is funny!!!

Posted by: clarence | March 25, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

How about this}"for the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country". isn't unpatriotic or racist. "God D**n America" three straight times isn't unpatriotic or racist. "Dr. King had great dreams and did great things but it still took Johnson to make his dreams come true" is racist. My goodness, I've heard about codes but this is ridicolous.

Posted by: bnw173 | March 25, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

spot on, carlsonchaf.

Hillary is done, and these are her last throes.

Posted by: thecrisis | March 25, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

let's call HRC's comments what they were - a lie. There was at least no lie in Jeremiah Wright's sermon. You may not like his delivery, but he did not tell a single lie.

cfc

Posted by: carlsonchaf | March 25, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Shame on you, Hillary Clinton! For playing over and over and over again the race card in your desperate, clawing attempt to become President. Get out now. You are destroying the party and putting our country at risk with your tactics.

Posted by: johnsonc2 | March 25, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA SUPPORTERS: Do you agree with these statements made by Rev. Wright's mentor, James Cone, which discuss the nature of Obama's religion, black liberation theology? 1. To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people. 2. While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism. 3. All white men are responsible for white oppression. 4. Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil." 5. If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it. 6. "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community . . Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love." ** All of these statements are taken directly from Cone's seminal work on black theology entitled "Black Theology and Black Power." This is the "theology" to which Obama has been subjecting his innocent children.

Posted by: theplanner | March 25, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama's church is now supporting Hamas' beliefs that Israel shouldn't exist.

Good going, Democrats, for even thinking about making this racist, anti-American, anti-Semitic Obama your president.

He'll never be mine.

Posted by: dyend | March 25, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Hillary had the opportunity to pack her bags and move on when Bill Clinton chose Monica over Hillary to fool around with in the white house. Bill Clinton even mentioned on a couple of talk shows that he asked Hillary to move on with her life. But she didn't. Now she is pointing fingers at Obama that he should have moved on from his church. What a hypocrite she is.

It is time for Hillary to throw in her towel and move on. Otherwise she is bascally spending all the democratic campaign donations to help McCain win. The more time she tries to paint Obama with mud, the more divisive she becomes to the democratic party. She has no chance to win.

Posted by: ChunkyMonkey1 | March 25, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Thank God Hillary is finally discussing Obama's racist and anti-American "mentor and spiritual adviser," the "honorable" Rev. Wright. Obama is on the verge of perpetrating a most heinous hoax on the American people, and he must be stopped.

Posted by: theplanner | March 25, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

iowatreasures --

You assert a lot of charges that I am honestly unaware of. It's my understanding that Obama has never denied attending the Trinity Church; it was just a question of whether he'd heard the sermons.

But leave all that aside. Assume that everything you say is true. Would that excuse or minimize Hillary Clinton's lying in this instance? Does anything? Doesn't it trouble you that she is capable of telling herself a set of facts that is convenient to her interests and then repeating it, with such verve? Because a lie is a lie, even IF you believe it is true.

Posted by: gbooksdc | March 25, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama belongs to this church for 20 years, this is anti American, anti Jewish, racist church. If you are not a racist, anti American or anti Jewish do not vote for Obama. Hillary is RIGHT you can't choose your family but you can choose your church.

Posted by: JACRUZ1 | March 25, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Commentary: Hillary Also Has Skeletons
in Her Church Closet

by Paul Kengor, guest columnist

Religious supporters use sacred hymn to compare her one-time opponent to Satan.

Hillary Clinton has been conspicuously silent regarding the political fallout created by Barack Obama's pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. I suspect two primary reasons for this: 1) She may be adhering to what the late Republican political strategist Lee Atwater used to call "the Napoleonic maxim: Never interfere with the enemy when he's in the process of destroying himself." 2) Senator Clinton's campaign may be aware of her own vulnerability in this area.

This second point is much less obvious. I'm aware of it only because I've written a book on the faith of Hillary Clinton, during which I repeatedly encountered the often explosive situations involving Mrs. Clinton in African-American churches -- situations utterly ignored by the media.

One of my favorite examples took place at Emmanuel Baptist Church in New York City before the 2000 election, in which Mrs. Clinton was running against Congressman Rick Lazio, R-N.Y., for the U.S. Senate seat from New York. On that morning, Mrs. Clinton was introduced by co-Pastor Darlene Thomas McGuire. After McGuire issued the standard claim that she was not speaking for the church -- so as to suggest that her tax-exempt church was not making a political endorsement, a claim that any honest ACLU lawyer would laugh right out of the courtroom -- the Rev. McGuire issued a religious proclamation to her congregation: Hillary's opponent was evil.

Actually, Congressman Lazio was judged much worse than that. In a rousing hymn for the faithful, McGuire substituted Hillary's opponent for no less than the Prince of Darkness. Immediately after claiming, "I'm not speaking for the church today," McGuire led Hillary and the entire congregation in a unique rendition of an old-time hymn:

I told Satan, get thee behind
I told Satan, get thee behind ...
Victory today is mine!

The good reverend then made a seamless transition, leading her flock in a revised second verse, belting out the new lyrics loudly and proudly:

I told Lazio, get thee behind!
I told Lazio, get thee behind! ...
Victory today is mine!

The hymn, Victory is Mine, about Jesus Christ defeating Satan, was transformed into a political hymn about Hillary Clinton defeating Rick Lazio.

This was a unique integration of church and state. Now, granted, Rev. Jeremiah Wright has said some crazy things behind the pulpit at Barack Obama's church, but he has yet (to my knowledge) to dub Obama's political challenger -- Hillary Clinton -- Lucifer.

This display of Christian charity from the Religious Left was transcribed for political posterity by Beth Harpaz, a New York reporter who traveled with the Hillary campaign in 2000. To her credit, Harpaz -- who shared a van with a group of sycophantic "reporters"/Hillary advocates who long ago tossed all objectivity out the window -- figured that making a direct analogy between the Catholic Lazio and the Devil might be just a tad over the top, and stopped to ask the former first lady what she thought of the new lyrics. "She paused for a second," recorded Harpaz, "then smiled and replied, 'I love hymns.' "

So did the press, which, uplifted by that old-time religion, was experiencing an old-fashioned conversion. Not one of the usual liberal pundits, like the Washington Post's Dana Milbank -- who flipped his lid when President Bush in 2003 was introduced as "our friend and brother in Christ" by a group of fellow Christians -- or The New York Times' Maureen Dowd, who accused Gov. Bush of "playing the Jesus card" when he cited Christ as his favorite philosopher in Iowa in 1999, complained about how Hillary Clinton's supporters were comparing her opponent to Satan.

For that matter, fast-forwarding to 2008, Barack Obama has not complained, either. Sen. Obama has not made an issue of such documented church moments by Sen. Clinton. Hillary Clinton (thus far) has gotten away with this kind of thing, including the occasions in which she was just as divisive as the Leftist pastors who fawned over her. One might recall the occasion of Martin Luther King Jr. Day 2006 -- a day of national unity on race -- when Sen. Clinton stepped to the pulpit of the Canaan Baptist Church of Christ in Harlem and claimed the Republican leadership was running the U.S. House of Representatives "like a plantation."

I've cited only a couple of examples. Beth Harpaz counted 27 churches in which Mrs. Clinton campaigned in the two months prior to Election Day 2000. There have been many more since then. The names of many, if not most, of those churches are known, as well as their pastors. One must wonder if the Obama campaign has looked into these churches to see if there is video of a Rev. Wright at one of them -- one who could be used to embarrass Mrs. Clinton, if she seeks to make hay of Rev. Wright.

I'm not being conspiratorial. This is how political campaigns think. And it may help to explain why Mrs. Clinton's political team is not expressing outrage over the unhinged remarks by Obama's pastor, including Rev. Wright's nasty remarks (and body gestures) regarding Mrs. Clinton's husband's sessions with Monica Lewinsky, which surely must have made Bill Clinton's blood boil when he (like the rest of us) first caught the video on Fox News. Mrs. Clinton herself no doubt hopes to keep the door shut on more than one church closet. Barack Obama is not the only Democratic frontrunner with some skeletons.

Paul Kengor is professor of political science at Grove City College in Grove City, Pa. His recent books include God and Hillary Clinton (HarperCollins, 2007) and The Judge: William P. Clark, Ronald Reagan's Top Hand (Ignatius, 2007).

Posted by: nandssmith | March 25, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey Hillary,

What's the matter did you start your own fire in the kitchen with your grossly exagerated experience in Bosnia? We'll forgive you because we understand you can be suffering from Post Traumatic Stress. Dodging those flowers from the little girl must've been horifying.

And James Carville says Gov. Richardson's endorsement of Obama is likened to Judas selling out Jesus for 30 pieces of gold?

Well James, how many of Hillary's supporters are selling out their country because their souls belong to the Clintons?

Posted by: AverageJane | March 25, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who will not vote for Obama after he wins that is a Clinton suppoter now is foolish.....for allyou who want to see Americas youth sent to Iraq for greed....vote for McCain.....I know I am not having any children to call themselve Americans....our social policies and foreign are something thatas an American I could never be proud of.....church people wanna get bent out of shape about church.....well then all the catholics should quit going too......cuz the alterboys buttholes are sore and have been for years but the catholic church swept that under a rug and made it taboo to speak about.....Hillary better not be a catholic? Cuz I would rather be labeled a racist rather than a pedophile

Posted by: exhooper | March 25, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

It is about damn time Hillary spoke out about it! It should be addressed, oh but that's right, she should not say anything about it, she is not allowed to comment on anything is she? She is a woman she should know her place.

In addition to that she is white and if she dared to say anything she is a racist, isn't that Wright? (no pun intended)

In the words of a loyal American "God damn America"

Posted by: kathymac1 | March 25, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

I really have to question Barak's patriotism:

Here's BHO's resume:
1) stopped wearing american flag lapel pin as US Senator, stating it was 'false patriotism'
2) chooses to leave islam to worship with Rev Wright for 18 yrs, who encourages congregation to sing "g-d d-amn america'
3) Ivy league wife of ivy league senator BHO gets a $200000 raise the day he is elected to the senate as a 'community outreach' officer for a Chicago Hospital. When her hubby wins the Iowa primary, she states she is proud of America for the first time in her life.

BHO is professional chip on shoulder type.

Posted by: rahaha | March 25, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Clinton is an armchair psychopath. She will not get out of the election even if Obama wins the electoral and popular votes.
She is a narcistic cow, without the mental faculties, to realize when she has lost an election. Even if she loses....in her mind she hasn't lost. No wonder Jack Nicholson of, "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest," supported her.

She belongs in the asylum, with all the other narcistic nuts, who look in the mirror admiring themselves all day.

Hillary can't get enough of autographing her own pictures for herself. Set her up with free medical care in a little white room. She will be the first to need the free care.

Posted by: bzzpd | March 25, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

you people keep missing the point. even if obamas pastor is gone his church still preaches black liberationtheology which is nothing less than 1960's radical marxism,also very close to islams way of doing things.

Posted by: 12thgenamerican | March 25, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

What about Hillary's association with impeached president Clinton, rapist, philanderer, disbarred lawyer? What about Vince Foster, Whitewater, Travelgate, cattle futures, and so on?

I'm ready to vote for McCain just out of spite if she manages to weasel her way to the nomination. She's a !@#$% disgrace to the Democratic party.

Posted by: alarico | March 25, 2008 07:15 PM
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Hillary Clinton and her campaign like to pretend none of this happened, that she's been "vetted." However, a person's penchant for shady deals and (im)morality doesn't just go away. I'm waiting to see Hillary and Bill's tax returns. My guess is that the wheeling and dealing only became more pronounced when Bill left office.

Posted by: smc91 | March 25, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Obamabots, I am sick of your whining that your candidate has not been coronated, like a king. This is a democracy and the primary is not over. Your candidate has not won the primary. Your candidate has disenfranchised the voters of Florida and Michigan because he is afraid to let them vote. Because he knows that he will lose those states. That's called cheating to win in my book.

Hillary has the right to comment on this racist preacher that your candidate supports if she wants to. Get over it.

And she has the right to stay married to the father of her child if she wants to. Get over it.

Try to act like mature adults. Not like spoiled children throwing a tantrum because you don't get what you want.

Posted by: jes991 | March 25, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I can attest to the latest local polls Obama's Jewish support here in New York is rapidly fading.

Obama has been here trolling for our money, telling us he's pro-Israel, but, like his affliation with the anti-Semitic Rev. Wright, Obama failed, lied, about his pro-Palestinian positions he supported in Illinois.

State wide polls here show McCain closing the gap, trailing Clinton & Obama now within single digits here in true blue New York.

If we can't have Hillary. better McCain than that Jew-hater Obama.

Posted by: dyend | March 25, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

His comments were bad enough but now I've read that Obama's church reprinted a Hamas terror manifesto in their July 2007 newsletter.

Here's what World Net Daily reported:

Sen. Barack Obama's Chicago church reprinted a manifesto by Hamas that defended terrorism as legitimate resistance, refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist and compared the terror group's official charter - which calls for the murder of Jews - to America's Declaration of Independence.

The Hamas piece was published on the "Pastor's Page" of the Trinity United Church of Christ newsletter reserved for Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr.

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How can Obama ever consider this guy a mentor? There's something wrong about a man whose first mentor was a Communist and whose second mentor was this guy.

Posted by: dl569 | March 25, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

and a women gets to pick who to marry and whether to stay with her husband.

Explain that one Hillary

Posted by: ben2 | March 25, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

This woman has a lot of nerve. She KNOWS there is more context to the Wright footage. She KNOWS there is information before and after these comments that explain what the media has done regarding the inflammation of Wright story. She heard his explanation from his speech. She KNOWS he denounced the comments. She KNOWS ALL OF THIS, yet she choses to fuel the fire. Unbelievable. She's playing dumb but the sad thing is, her supporters just are, so the parrots keep chirping away about 20 years in a pew. THIS IS SICK.

Posted by: LAJonathan | March 25, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

While I am totally disturbed by the comments made by Rev. Wright, I am just as disturbed by the loud chorus of "Fake Patriots" screaming about "anti-Americanism" in light of the fact that this country was based founded on principles of racial inequality and classism, disguised as so-called "Christianity". For a country that was supposedly founded on Christian ideals, it's rather ironic that we justify lying about being under "enemy fire", while we are photgraphed getting off a plane, smiling, waving, kissing and greeting! It's funny how we go and bring down a rogue dictator in Saddam, but don't address the human rights violations that have existed in China for centuries! It's ironic how we occupy foreign land for the sake of our own good fortune (or bad, as is the case now), go in the homes of these people and try to force democracy on them, totally disrupt their lives, and then tell them it's on them to get their act together! But I guess for me to speak on these indignations is "anti-Americanism"!

Posted by: delfranklin4 | March 25, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

"From hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee." - Moby Dick (and of course, Wrath of Khan)

The moment that Bill Clinton refused to resign for having sex with an intern in the Oval Office it was clear that the Clintons valued neither the Country nor the Democratic Party. (BTW, all of you feminist Hillary supporters, anyone want to defend Bill's sexual harassment?)

Consider this hypothetical: if Bill resigned would President Al Gore have beaten Bush in 2000? Where would the country be if Bill had done the right thing and stepped aside?

Hillary is doing the same thing today that Bill did in the 90s. Her campaign has been a joyless slog through the mud. She has lost. Period. Her defeat has been her own doing. She hired the wrong team. She based her campaign on the wrong principles and values. Her experience led her to this defeat, just as her experience led her to vote for Iraq, just as her experience led to the Health Care Disaster in the 90s.

And yet, from the depths of her defeat, she channel her hatred and her craven lust for power by lashing out at Obama and - by extension - the Country. Simply stated, her refusal to step aside and make way for the future will deliver John McCain to the White House while destroying the Democratic Party.

Let's stop judging her by her words. Let's just her by her actions. And based on those actions it is clear she simply doesn't care about the Democratic Party or its principles. Her warm words about helping the Lower and Middle Class mask the cold reality that her actions favor the Wealthy.

Anyone else notice that she wants Alan Greenspan, the architect of our current financial crisis, to come back and fix it. The fact that she even thinks putting Greenspan back in power is Exhibit 1 in the case that she lacks the judgment to be President.

Exhibit 2 would be her refusal to condemn Mountain Top Removal.

Exhibits 3 through 4003 are the 4000 dead US Servicemen and Women who have died in the War She Supports.

How many more Americans have to die or see their economic futures destroyed while the Clintons play out their psychodrama on the Nation? Both of them, through word, action, and deed, have proven themselves incapable of governing with judgment or wisdom.

Time to step aside Bill and Hillary. You've done more than enough to destroy yourselves, don't take us down with you.

Posted by: choskasoft | March 25, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Good for you, Hillary. I am surprised the press even covered this story. They have been fawning over the empty suit Obama for so long, it is surprising they would give you any coverage. That is despite the fact you have won the elections in almost every large state while your opponent wins caucuses. In the end you will prevail because you are more intelligent, visionary, and honest than Obama. As soon as Democrats get out of their induced Obama coma, they will realize they he should have left that church 20 years ago. I, for one, am tired of his baloney. That is all he spews out. Go getum, Hillary!!!!!

Posted by: afellow1 | March 25, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Once again, Hillary makes John McCain look like a saint. She is so low I can not believe it.

And was it YOU Hillary who stayed married to that predator who molested someone's TEENAGE daughter who was sent to the Whitehouse to work as an Intern. Is it YOU Hillary who basically made a mockery of all women by staying with your cheating husband time after time, and paying off women in Arkansas not to talk about their relationships with him through your law firm to make sure he got elected. (Gee you missed Genifer Flowers and Paula Jones.)

It is YOU Hillary who pardoned all the imprisoned CRIMINALS that were your brother's ex-business partners and helped Bill pardon his Criminal stepbrother before you (both) left office. The Republicans have a WHOLE movie on Hillary and the Clinton's corrupt associations and SCANDALS. They are just WAITING to see if the Superdelegates are stupid enough to support her.

GEE, WHY WON"T SHE RELEASE HER TAXES FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS???

HILLARY, electable? Yeah, right!!!!!!

Posted by: Olisa | March 25, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, she could have kicked him when he was down and she did not Kick!
But the way he got up was a foul,
or even worse--- a "CAUCUS" win in ---Idaho!

The person that is in it for himself is not going to see a Political Party as anything but a group of people banded together for "THEIR" good!

Posted by: harried | March 25, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Hillary Clinton by attacking now Sen. Barack Obama's relationship with Rev. Wright is beyond any comprehension. She should be getting some professional medical mental help. What she is doing is causing a very severe damage to the Democratic party. She is an embarrasing to the National Democratic Party (NDP) and to the American People who still believe in good moral values and people who respect all people regardless of their color. Can someone please tell her to stop her vicious personal attacks on Sen. Obama and to just give up? She does not have any credibility or standing on issues regarding Sen. Obama's Christian religion. I doubt very serious whether she knows what a true Christian is. For starters, when she states that she would never seat in Rev. Wright's pews, she is opening the door for more public opinion about where she stands towards minorities, i.e., Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. Also, her secret "sinful" life is questionable when she professes to be a "Christian." Sen. Clinton must realize that in 2009 she will have to address Sen. Obama as Mr. President Obama.

Posted by: doctormiguel | March 25, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Hillary Clinton by attacking now Sen. Barack Obama's relationship with Rev. Wright is beyond any comprehension. She should be getting some professional medical mental help. What she is doing is causing a very severe damage to the Democratic party. She is an embarrasing to the National Democratic Party (NDP) and to the American People who still believe in good moral values and people who respect all people regardless of their color. Can someone please tell her to stop her vicious personal attacks on Sen. Obama and to just give up? She does not have any credibility or standing on issues regarding Sen. Obama's Christian religion. I doubt very serious whether she knows what a true Christian is. For starters, when she states that she would never seat in Rev. Wright's pews, she is opening the door for more public opinion about where she stands towards minorities, i.e., Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. Also, her secret "sinful" life is questionable when she professes to be a "Christian." Sen. Clinton must realize that in 2009 she will have to address Sen. Obama as Mr. President Obama.

Posted by: doctormiguel | March 25, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Please, someone in the media ask the question of Hillary about her involvement in the "Fellowship" aka "The Family". This is a secretive organization that appears to be very conservative Christian and includes people like Ashcroft, Brownback and Inhofe. Hillary has been involved since 1993. This group has had ties in the past with dictators like Suharto. What is she doing involved with this group? Since she made the comment about Wright and that she would not have stayed in his church, I want to know why she has stayed so long with this group.

Posted by: goldie2 | March 25, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

I have felt for sometime now that Obama is the one person that 'Frightens Me'. I believe the Bible has warned us that 'A man will come from the East that will be charismatic in nature and have proposed
solutions for all our problems and his rhetoric will attract will many supporters. When will our pathetic
Nation quit turning their back on God and understand that this man is 'A Muslim'....First, Last and
always....and we are AT WAR with the Muslim Nation,whether our bleeding-heart, secular,Liberal friends believe it or not. This man fits every description from the Bible of the 'Anti-Christ'! I'm
just glad to know that there are others that are frightened by this man. Semper Fidelis, Chuck 'Saepius Exertus, Semper Fidelis, Frater Infinitas' 'Often Tested, Always Faithful, Brothers Forever' -
United States Marines - Who is Barack Obama? Very interesting and something that should be considered in your choice.If you do not ever forward anything
else,please forward this to all your contacts...this is very scary to think of what lies ahead of us here in our own United States...better heed this and pray
about it and share it.

snopes.com ' confirms this is
factual. Check for yourself Who is Barack Obama? Probable U. S. presidential candidate,Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from
Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from Wichita , Kansas. Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii. When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo
Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia. When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocate to Indonesia. Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also
spent two years in a Catholic school.Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, 'He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic
school.'Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that that he is not a radical. Obama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best.In
reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's education. Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham,
introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta. Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim
terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in
the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background. ALSO, keep in mind
that when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran. Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor will he show any reverence for our flag.While others place their hands over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches. Do you want someone like this as your PRESIDENT Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected
presidential candidacy. The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level -through the President of the United States, one of
their own! Would you want this man leading our country?......
NOT ME!!!

Posted by: cnick68188 | March 25, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of getting up and leaving why didn't Hillary leave her scum bag of a husband Bill Clinton for the way he used women? The man literally abused women, one even accussed him of raping her. Hillary is no fighter for women, she's a pretender. A joke if you ask me. No woman in this world deserves to be assualted. And the man she proclaims to sleep next to everyday was an abuser of women. Get me a break Hillary, maybe before you speak you should clean out your own house first. Disgraceful.

Posted by: lumi21us | March 25, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Good for you, Hillary. I am surprised the press even covered this story. They have been fawning over the empty suit Obama for so long, it is surprising they would give you any coverage. That is despite the fact you have won the ELECTIONS in almost every large state while your opponent wins CAUCUSES. In the end you will prevail because you are more intelligent, visionary, and honest than Obama. As soon as Democrats get out of their Obama-induced coma, they will realize they he should have left that church 20 years ago. I, for one, am tired of his baloney. That is all he spews out. Go getum, Hillary!!!!!

Posted by: afellow1 | March 25, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Both Clintons are practiced liars, and now they have also shown themselves to be race baiting rats. No wonder Reverends like Wright have to howl on in the wilderness. These were supposed to be friends of black people, not disguised members of some oligarchic KKK.

Posted by: queenskid | March 25, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Both Clintons are practiced liars, and now they have also shown themselves to be race baiting rats. No wonder Reverends like Wright have to howl on in the wilderness. These were supposed to be friends of black people, not disguised members of some oligarchic KKK.

Posted by: queenskid | March 25, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Both Clintons are practiced liars, and now they have also shown themselves to be race baiting rats. No wonder Reverends like Wright have to howl on in the wilderness. These were supposed to be friends of black people, not disguised members of some oligarchic KKK.

Posted by: queenskid | March 25, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

To Hillary Clinton:
It's ABOUT TIME you spoke out on this very disturbing and controversial issue. Do not be afraid to speak out against this racist (Rev. Wright) and Senator Obama's continued support of him.
One thing is certain Senator Clinton, if you don't win the Democratic nomination, my vote is going to John McCain. I would rather vote for a "middle of the road" Republican like John McCain then a Democrat like Barak Obama, who continues to support and associate with a known bigot.

Posted by: txslatino2003 | March 25, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Jewish group wants Obama to remove Gen McPeak as his military advisor and national campaign co-chairman.

"Rather than putting the blame where it belongs -- on the Palestinian leadership and their continued reliance on terror, General McPeak finds it more convenient to blame American Jewry and their perceived influence," said Brooks. "This is the same dangerous and disturbing canard being promoted by the likes of Jimmy Carter and authors Mearsheimer and Walt in their book, The Israel Lobby."


In addition, Gen. McPeak has a long history of criticizing Israel for not returning to the 1967 borders or returning the Golan Heights to Syria, as he wrote in Foreign Affairs in April 1976.


"Senator Obama continues to surround himself with advisors holding troubling and disturbing anti-Israel bias. General McPeak's views are alarming. We call on Senator Obama to immediately remove General McPeak from his campaign leadership role and as a key advisor," said Brooks.

Another reason Obama will lose the Jewish vote and with it New York as well as other states normally won by Democrats.

Posted by: Skinsfan1978 | March 25, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Is this statement appropriate, Clinton: "I think given all we have heard and seen, he would not have been my pastor"?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1957

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Posted by: jeffboste | March 25, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton is absolutely correct in saying that "getting up and moving" should have Obama's response to racially divisive sermons from Wright. Instead he attended the church for twenty years and also subjected his children to these weekly anti-American and racially divisive rants. Even the most ardent Obama supporters must realize that the senator's judgement is in question.

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | March 25, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

What about Hillary's association with impeached president Clinton, rapist, philanderer, disbarred lawyer? What about Vince Foster, Whitewater, Travelgate, cattle futures, and so on?

I'm ready to vote for McCain just out of spite if she manages to weasel her way to the nomination. She's a !@#$% disgrace to the Democratic party.

Posted by: alarico | March 25, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary divorced Bill Clinton during the Monica Lewinsky Scandal and ran for NY senator, she would be called duplicitous. She didn't leave Bill, and she is called duplicitous.

If Hillary voted against the Resolution Authorizing the Use of Force in 2002, she would have been pandering to the Liberal Democrats and be called duplicitous. She voted for the resolution, and she is called pandering to the political right

If Hillary didn't speak about MLK and LBJ during her stay in SC, she would be a racist. She praised both MLK and LBJ and she is a closet racist

If Hillary didn't speak on the Wright issue, she duplicitous since she knows she shouldn't touch this issue politically. Hillary now spoke on it, and she is called duplicitous!

Amazing how the list of Hillary's duplicity keeps multiplying, I wonder why....

Posted by: logicaldoubtofhumansanity | March 25, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Hillary said, "I just don't think this is over yet, and I don't think that it is smart for us to take a position that might disadvantage us in November."

"And also remember that pledged delegates in most states are not pledged. You know, there is no requirement that anybody vote for anybody. They're just like superdelegates."

"Even elected and caucus delegates are not required to stay with whomever they are pledged to."

"I think what Mrs. Clinton was trying to make clear was that no delegate is required by party rules to vote for the candidate for which they're pledged," said Ickes.

"I mean obviously circumstances can change, and people's minds can change about the viability of a particular candidate and that's permitted now under our rules ever since the 1980 convention."

Ickes added that while the rules allowed a campaign to petition pledged delegates to "flip," the Clinton camp had not sought to do so.

Obama is toast, he just don't know it yet!

Posted by: Skinsfan1978 | March 25, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

I would simply ask Clinton why she did not stand up and walk out five years ago when she authorized the current war. Doesn't she now disagree with the war? If that's true, and if she regrets her vote on it, then why don't we ask whether she really is a leader we want, who will cow-tow to a war-monger instead of standing up for our rights. At least Obama's association with the pastor didn't get 4,000 people killed, and cost us some $3 trillion. I'll take a mistake about a pastor any day to Clinton's.

Posted by: alterego1 | March 25, 2008 07:01 PM

I agree with you alterego1
What about her comments on Nafta thats on tape? Does that count for anything. And don't forget the refusal to address the war issue until she didn't have a choice.


Posted by: MILLER123 | March 25, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama trying to "get past" the Rev. Wright controversy is like people forgetting that Gore lost in Florida due to Republican shenanigans.

Some things are never forgotten. Rev. Wright's rants is one. And the fact that Obama took his wife and children to that church to learn hatred of the U.S. Those poor kids must really be confused by now with their mother never being proud of this country at the same time their dad is running for the presidency, "to protect and defend. . . ." - gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 25, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Before all of you Obamaniacs get your pens all ready and take a deep long breath to yell "Racism", take a look at the transcript.

Its at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/us/politics/25clinton-text.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1206486019-MMJdceLHtAX6iF25H4qRQA

She was responding to a question. But for the question posed she would not have had any comment on the good Reverend Wright.

IT was the third question in the interview and the exchange is as follows:

"QUESTION: Now that Senator Obama has released his tax returns, will you release yours prior to April 15th, and will you release the entire documents along with the schedules and everything?

CLINTON: Well, I anticipate being able to release them shortly, I hope within the next week. And I am pleased that Senator Obama has released his tax returns. I think that's a good first step. Now he should release his records from being in the state senate and any other information that the public and the press need to know from his prior experience, because I think that, you know, we should continue to make available the information that we have. And I will be releasing my tax returns.

QUESTION: Should Barack Obama have left his church after Jeremiah Wright made the comments that he did?

CLINTON: Well, I answered a question in an ed board today that was very specific about what I would have done. And, you know, I'm just speaking for myself. And I was answering a question that was posed to me.

But I think, given all we have heard and seen, he would not have been my pastor.

I gave a speech at Rutgers, about a year ago, that was triggered by the Don Imus comments. And I said that it was time for standing up for what is right, for saying enough is enough, for urging that we turn a culture of degradation into a culture of empowerment, for saying that, while we, of course, must protect our right to freedom of expression, it should not be used as a license or an excuse to demean and humiliate our fellow citizens.

Senator Obama spoke eloquently, at that time, as well.

You know, we don't have a choice when it comes to our relatives. We have a choice when it comes to our pastors and the churches we attend. Everyone will have to decide these matters for themselves. They are obviously very personal matters. But I was asked what I would do if he were my pastor. And I said I think the choice would be clear for me.

QUESTION: Are you not satisfied with Senator Obama's explanation about his relationship with his pastor, in his speech, then?

CLINTON: I was asked what I would do.

QUESTION: Are you not satisfied with his response...

CLINTON: Well, that's a question that goes to him. I was asked what I would do. And I answered what I would do.

QUESTION: Senator, now that you're talk about this a little more publicly than you have, does this mean this is on the table, when you talk to superdelegates?

Is it on the table in the Democratic primary?

CLINTON: I was asked what I would do. And I answered the question."

So all of you conspiratorists out there who are willing to believe that Hillary was the charter member of Hell itself, ya'll just calm down, stop sipping the Kool-Aid and go back to listening to your loop of Obama speaking on whatever the hell he talks about all the time.

Posted by: pkmc83a | March 25, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

hillary fans Obama speak wasn't about Monica being done while Hillary was in the white house ......you can choose your church you can choose your husband.....Hillary bites but she does not know when to bite.....she blew it again.....sniper sniper sniper......Wright made a white house appearance you should ask her about that too....she will probably say she was hiding in the basement trying to avoid the sniper......john McCain just got a massage with a happy ending on that......Hillary keeps hooking up the real opposition.....trying to blind those who really seek the truth....not this sniper bs.....to be honest and American I don't think I would attend Wrights church but he was pretty accurate......especially after reading the whole sermon and putting it into context...........Hillary lied last week.....Imus tried to be a gangster rapper and call powerless schoolgirls...nappy headed hoes.....Wright criticized American policies from the black perspective.....6 to 3 years ago....I am not trying to justify anything but facts are facts.....and Hillary lied and someone close to Obama is angry.....but Obama has been 100% more transparent
Obama 08

Posted by: exhooper | March 25, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I would simply ask Clinton why she did not stand up and walk out five years ago when she authorized the current war. Doesn't she now disagree with the war? If that's true, and if she regrets her vote on it, then why don't we ask whether she really is a leader we want, who will cow-tow to a war-monger instead of standing up for our rights. At least Obama's association with the pastor didn't get 4,000 people killed, and cost us some $3 trillion. I'll take a mistake about a pastor any day to Clinton's.

Posted by: alterego1 | March 25, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

So does being attacked make you lose your memory? Does it bring on Alzheimer's? Seriously, because if her mental faculties have been diminished, rightly or wrongly, she does not need to be President.

Posted by: gbooksdc | March 25, 2008 06:04 PM
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What say ye about Obama "forgetting" that he went to the radical, separatist, anti-Israel Church, The Trinity, Rev. Wright presiding?

What does it say when Obama "forgot" every single person he went to school with, lived with, or who he was friends with when he went to school at Columbia U. in NYC.

What does it say when Obama "forgot" he met Auchi and that Auchi contributed to his senate campaign?

(Auchi was Saddam's closest ally in Iraq - he is the 13th richest man in Britain now, and gets involved in lots of money making schemes - big money making schemes such as theft of money from the UN Oil for Food Program, and used the money for arms for Saddam, plus laundered money for Saddam Hussein.)

It begs the question, is Auchi and Rezko somehow funneling contributions through companies, etc., for Obamas Presidential campaign.

I remember once someone asked him how he could accept contributions from drug companies, and he said, "Oh, those were from the employees."

Also, he has received contributions from corporations involved in nuclear power plants in Iraq, and from the nuclear power plant corp in Illinois.

The Corporation didn't contribute money, but the CEO did.

Obama has so many shady deals and past mistakes and poor choices, it is difficult to keep up. Even John Kerry was involved in contributions from Rezko and Kerry and Obama were tight buds in Chicago, long before Kerry said he endorsed him because of his superior work in the U.S. Congress.

Obama didn't even show up for one meeting about the war in Afghanistan. And he was the head of the committee. He was too busy running his campaign.

Once, he was too busy to vote in the Illinois State Legislature because he was "vacationing" in Hawaii.

And the clincher of all - Emil Jones, President of the Illinois State Senate, dubbed "the kingmaker," yanked high profile bills from other lawmakers who had worked on some for years, and put Obama's name on them to "enhance his resume."

How calculating, dishonest and deceitful is that? gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 25, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Hillary was right to comment on this issue in response to a direct question. All the Borat supporters are feigning indignation, and claiming that she's tearing the Democratic party in two - absolute rubbish! Hillary Clinton doesn't owe Borat anything, he has run a duplicitous campaign, calling foul at every turn, and most of the MSM have fallen over backwards to accommodate him and his slimy tactics. Remember, this is the guy who was happy to have Pres Clinton smeared as a racist, flying in the face of Bill's lifelong record that spoke to the contrary. Weeks later, we discover that Obama has been a member of a black separationist church, whose minister, the Rev Wright, is on record making racist sermons! America has a perfect right to know where Hllary stands on this issue, and I would suggest that it is time for Obama to bow out of this election for the good of the party, because if he is the nominee, the GOP will shred him as a result of his poor judgment. His supporters are whining about Hillary's tactics, they make me laugh, just wait until he comes up against full on Rovian tactics - owwww it hurts!

Posted by: bessmount | March 25, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

No real RACIST thinks they are racists.

After recognizing a set of features, a group subset may find patterns in differrent combinations of the features.

( I hear Rose and Teal is only good under a coconut tree )

It's the fear of "DIFFERENCE" & "DEATH"!

The real true RACIST sees it this way!
IT'S NOT JUST TALK!!!

Posted by: harried | March 25, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

In April 1967 I heard Martin Luther King counter the rantings of the Hoover Institute faculty about his lack of support for the Vietnam war. I believe the clergy in the USA aside, in general, from many, many African American clergy as Rev. Wright have been SILENT on the sins of the USA vis-a-vis Iraq and other nations. I would advise HRC to condemn most of the clergy of the USA for being "Silent Shepards" who has betrayed the trust of MLK Jr. Rev Wright has not betrayed the trust of MLK Jr. regarding condemnation of acts of violence. He is in the mainstream of the non-violent protest movement.

HRC is playing the pseudo-patriotism card as the BIG BILL. They are both pseudo-pseudo patriots. Obama is the true patriot, especially with his speech on race that addressed the issue in the true spirit of MLK Jr. HRC probably would have said that we students at Stanford should have "walked out" on MLK Jr. based on her current pseuo-patriotic "belief system". Perhaps it is also a defense mechanism against the SIN she committed in giving Bush the go ahead to start an UNCONSTITUTIONAL conflict that has resulted in the ethnic cleansing of millions and the death of hundreds of thousands of innocents. Can't face the reality of your own sins huh Hillary?

Posted by: cbday | March 25, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

After being ask for comments all week concerning Rev. Wright, today after being caught for mis-speaking on several occassions touting her foreign policy, she decides to issue her comments on Wright and Obama. This kind of game is what the country doesn't need. The issue was about foreign policy experience, now its back on Wright, Obama and Imus. All of us are not ignorant! And I can't stand it when someone thinks that we are!

Posted by: MILLER123 | March 25, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

After being ask for comments all week concerning Rev. Wright, today after being caught for mis-speaking on several occassions touting her foreign policy, she decides to issue her comments on Wright and Obama. This kind of game is what the country doesn't need. The issue was about foreign policy experience, now its back on Wright, Obama and Imus. All of us are not ignorant! And I can't stand it when someone thinks that we are!

Posted by: MILLER123 | March 25, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

There are 116 United Church of Christ churches in the Chicago area. There are over a dozen within 10 miles of Barack & Michelle Obama's home. Why that church? As a private citizens if your family is fine with a pastor and church who holds as even a small part of there views anti American, Anti Semitic, Pro Hamas Terrorist organization, Anti white as part of the ministry it is your right to stay as members and be feed spiritually there and if that is what feeds your soul, fine we as fellow Americans support your rights to that. As to America being OK with our President being a member of such a church, we say no way! No one has ask you to change faiths but a change in church fellowship and spiritual advisers of which you have 116 other churches and pastors to choose from is totally within a reasonable request for someone running to be the next President of the United States! Thank you Barack Obama for your radio address where you let us know you and Michelle have chosen to continue being spiritually feed from that specific church and pastor with ALL there messages. We will support your right to that as a private citizen but we will not elect you as our President. Change & Unity are more then words they require action and hard work! The kind of solutions to serious problems we face is what Hillary Clinton offers us and is the real change and unity we are looking for. You may speak the words about these things but your actions do not.

Posted by: snags85 | March 25, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Don't tell me Words Don't Matter!," Barack Hussein Obama.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72B3tUAqpo4

Posted by: mci252002 | March 25, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

She said you can't pick your relatives. Does that mean the next round will be about her two brothers helping to broker pardons as Bill was leaving office.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | March 25, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

After being ask for comments all week concerning Rev. Wright, today after being caught for mis-speaking on several occassions touting her foreign policy, she decides to issue her comments on Wright and Obama. This kind of game is what the country doesn't need. The issue was about foreign policy experience, now its back on Wright, Obama and Imus.

Posted by: MILLER123 | March 25, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

After being ask for comments all week concerning Rev. Wright, today after being caught for mis-speaking on several occassions touting her foreign policy, she decides to issue her comments on Wright and Obama. This kind of game is what the country doesn't need. The issue was about foreign policy experience, now its back on Wright, Obama and Imus.

Posted by: MILLER123 | March 25, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

For those who wish to have a serious discussion, check out the full sermons before pronouncing judgement.

I definitely do not like some of Wright's style, and his specific personal bashing and conspiracy theory paranoia is something I have heard before and hope eventually works its way out of black community. Wright and the old guard don't help in that regard. However, the most offensive sermons regarding 9/11 and GD America have been taken entirely out of context and have little relation to what he was actually trying to say.

YOUTUBE videos
http://www.youtube.com/user/TRINITYCHGO
More info
http://truthabouttrinity.blogspot.com/

Posted by: cain097 | March 25, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

It is hard to believe, all ye supporters of Obama, that you despise divisive politics. Everytime I review your comments, not only are the dimwitted, they are immensly divisive. Because Hillary answered a questions that a reporter asked, that means she is running a "sleazy" campaign.

Get real. The only sleaze in this whole mess involving Pastor Wright, is Wright himself, and Obama for refusing to severe ties with him. And I am not buying this crap, that it wasn't Obama who espoused Wright's views, so therefore he shouldn't be held accountable.

Obama should be held to the same account that he has held HRC throughout this campaign. When you play the role of the perfect angel and preach "holier than thous", it is only fitting, that you should be held to the moral standards that you yourself set. Obama set the tone, now he must also be judged by it.

It wasn;t HRC's comments and associates that is causing Obama problems. This problem is one of his own making.

Posted by: PeteIlly | March 25, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

If I have to choose between Obama and McCain in November, I will choose McCain. I think he is ready to be president and I don't think Obama is. I didn't think he was ready before Clinton's comments, the 3:00 a.m. speech, or the Wright flap.

As a Florida Democrat, I feel screwed by the DNC and Obama regarding the DNC's decision about the seating of Florida's delegates. Having been screwed by the Republican Party and the U.S. Supreme Court in 2000, I will say that it feels much worse when it is your own party that is screwing you.

Bluntly I don't think Obama or Clinton can win in November. Neither campaign has enough support within the Democratic Party to win without partisan super delegates. This may be the fault of the DNC's obviously stupid and defective way of awarding delegates. None the less, it is the truth. Neither campaign has garnered enough support to win outright the DNC's nomination. Both campaigns have deeply offended the other side's voters. They can't win in November without all of those voters. Obama and his supporters need to acknowledge that reality. Nancy Pelosi should also be honest and acknowledge that she is an Obama supporter and that her interpretation of the delegate system is HER interpretation. That is the trouble with all of the Obama/Dean/Pelosi supporters. It feels as though they are trying to cram him down my throat and act as though I have no choice. When put in that position, I will choose McCain just to avoid having Obama rammed down my throat.

If the DNC had any sense, they would ask both candidates to withdraw for the "good of the party" since we are already rolling in blood. Then they could appoint a 3rd person who hasn't split the party. I don't see any coming together in November. If Obama is the nominee, I will vote for McCain. I know many Obama supporters feel the same way if Clinton is the nominee. That translates into "How do you say President McCain?"

I think the party is already split. And the fault belongs, in equal shares, to the Clinton campaign, the DNC leadership (ha), the biased media, and the Obama campaign. The only thing that I am certain of is that Howard Dean and Nancy Pelosi should fire themselves now.

Posted by: hope34 | March 25, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I just leaned about a book called The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power. Unlike svliar's imaginary Obama's Slums, this is a real book you can find on Google and Amazon. Quoting from Barbara Ehrenreich: "Just when we thought the Christian right was crumbling, Jeff Sharlet delivers a rude shock: One of its most powerful and cult-like core groups, the "Family," has been thriving and even drawing in Democrats like Hillary Clinton."

There's more at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html. Query: should DEMOCRATS be interested in nominating a fellow traveler of the Christian Right?

Posted by: gbooksdc | March 25, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama has no one to blame but Michelle, his country-hating accomplice of a wife, and his racist pastor. Obama knew the hate and racism his pastor was spewing for decades, yet he just kept on donating and clapping his hands in cheer each Sunday.

The fact this this typical politician who happens to either be or support a racist has nothing to do with the Clintons or McCain you Obama lemmings. i'll be damned if the anti-U.S., African-committed, charlatan of a "unifier" is going to get my vote.

Posted by: mci252002 | March 25, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I guess Miss Anne got there too late to catch Mrs. Clinton's comments about the previous report of hers about Bosnia. If she hadn't missed it I'm sure she would have reported on it. Oh yeaaah.

Hank

Posted by: hankvreeland | March 25, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

This racist old crone and the self serving blathering nutjobs that support her have split the Democratic Party. I, for one, will NEVER support a feminist nor gay rights issue again and intend to join conservatives in voting down tax increases for any government agency who's employees are represented by AFSCME. They chose their side in this war and will pay for it for years to come. I never thought I could loath anyone as much as I do this woman and now that loathing extends to her supporters. Every Obama supporter needs to target Cantwell and Shumer and all the rest of the hacks that support this toxic hag for defeat; oppose them in the primaries and deny them your vote in the general. Something these swine, all of them, understand apparently is loosing and loose they all will.

Posted by: mibrooks27 | March 25, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama should leave this one alone. Clinton accepted the mistake. He has not rejected his "God Damn America" pastor. Its like choosing between the lesser evils here. He first lied when he said he didnt know about Wright's rhetoric and still refuses to reject his hate sermons. Obama cant win on this argument.

Posted by: Kelvin1 | March 25, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama should leave this one alone. Clinton accepted the mistake. He has not rejected his "God Damn America" pastor. Its like choosing between the lesser evils here. He first lied when he said he didnt know about Wright's rhetoric and still refuses to reject his hate sermons. Obama cant win on this argument.

Posted by: Kelvin1 | March 25, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama should leave this one alone. Clinton accepted the mistake. He has not rejected his "God Damn America" pastor. Its like choosing between the lesser evils here. He first lied when he said he didnt know about Wright's rhetoric and still refuses to reject his hate sermons. Obama cant win on this argument.

Posted by: Kelvin1 | March 25, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

So what do we know about the Pastor
Clinton did choose?

Clinton's former pastor sentenced to prison for sexually assaulting a 7 year-old girl.

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/6117

Posted by: uniteusnow | March 25, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Mrs. Clinton says you cannot choose your relatives and she would have left that church. But you can choose your spouse. Question: why did you put your political career ahead of your family and not leave a serial philanderer?

Posted by: jsherm45 | March 25, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

People still believe this big mouth liar!!

The Clinton Chronicles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7dtVm9-Z5M

Hillary: The Movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqQ6PYcKseM

Posted by: mooremoneypower | March 25, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

That one, about the "ARISTOCRATS", that's pretty good RAT-THE!

How's it hanging Rat?

Posted by: harried | March 25, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Clinton's former pastor sentenced to prison for sexually assaulting a 7 year-old girl

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/6117

Posted by: uniteusnow | March 25, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton knows she is going to have to pull a Tonya Harding in order to win this and that is exactly what she is doing. So sad.

Posted by: lisa8 | March 25, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

She said you can't pick your relatives as part of her remarks. Does that mean we now get to talk about her two brothers role in the going out of office pardon sale. And how about her religion and ties to fundamentalist Republicans?

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | March 25, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

It's incredible that McCain and Huckabee are both on record explicitly saying that Wright should not be an issue, yet Hillary can't resist getting her dig in about a pastor about whom she most likely knows next to nothing.

Posted by: davestickler | March 25, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Whitewater, Vince Foster, Monica Lewinski, peace in Northern Ireland, and Bosnia to name a few. As Bill Clinton said a few months ago, "Give me a break." For Hillary Clinton to criticize Barack Obama's relationship with his Pastor, Rev, Wright, makes me wonder if the Clinton's even believe in God!

Posted by: atinaebud | March 25, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Mrs. Clinton was responding to a direct question. She has every right to say that Mr. Wrong would not be her pastor and her response would have been to get up and move. I bet the peson who asked the question must have been planted by Obama campaign.

Posted by: chimanrao | March 25, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Mrs. Clinton was responding to a direct question. She has every right to say that Mr. Wrong would not be her pastor and her response would have been to get up and move. I bet the peson who asked the question must have been planted by Obama campaign.

Posted by: chimanrao | March 25, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

This gets her some free press. If she had money, the American way of doing it is to put the Wrights and Obama's sound bites dramatically side-by-side on TV starting a week before every primary. This ensures Obama's unelectability. If Clinton don't do that, McCain, the RNC, or the conservative affilate groups will do that after he becomes the nominee. I am sorry for those who supports Obama, but this is the reality.

Posted by: work2play | March 25, 2008 06:23 PM
_________________________________________

This strategy is complicated by the disproportionate number of black in the Dem party. Blacks are over 20% of the base, and progressives probably at least as numerous. Play the race card, you lose blacks nationwide, which hurts ALL Democratic candidates. That's the pickle she's in -- she's already p**sed off blacks who feel she's turned on them. (Remember, at the depths of his Presidency, blacks were Bill Clinton's most loyal constituency.) Everything she does for the short term has a long-term price. She was already compromised for dealing the race card in January. Now she cannot campaign in a black church in the fall without getting booed out of there, and that is because of today's comments re: Wright. Can you imagine the reporters bombarding her after she leaves one? And who would have her? Wright's condemnation of US policy re: foreign policy and civil rights was (a) generally factually accurate and (b) not outside the mainstream in black churches.

So jumping on Wright offers a short-term benefit -- distract the suckers from her lies re: Bosnia -- but offers a long-term price in alienating even more blacks long-term. Who's she expecting to vote for her come November? White males?

Frankly, that Clinton's under 55% in PA polls convinces me more than ever that she's a loser nationwide. Her opponent could not have been cast in a more unfavorable light, and he's still running with her.

Posted by: gbooksdc | March 25, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

It's unfortunate that Senator Clinton chose to comment on this matter. It probably hurts more than it helps, the issue isn't germane to the campaign, and it wasn't necessary for her to get involved. The entire episode is ugly, and it's time for everyone to move on to issues of genuine importance.

Posted by: keith_in_seattle | March 25, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

When will all well-meaning democrats call on DNC to rein in this selfish, shameless, two-faced liar, religious bigot and hypocritical person(we do get to choose our spouses).

Howard Dean and other superdelegates are watching while democratic party goes down because of one woman's over-ambition.

May God save America should this woman becomes the president.

Posted by: gbemiga1 | March 25, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

According to Obama, "When these statements first came to my attention..."

"Came to my attention" is a wonderful phrase. That's the sort of artistry that earns Harvard-trained lawyers their hundreds of dollars an hour rates. "Attention" requires an active psychological engagement. If Wright routinely makes such statements, Obama would pay no attention to them because they are almost boilerplate. Israeli state-sponsored terrorism? Why bother paying attention? Wright has been attacking Israel for years. God damn America? Wright has been railing against this country for the 23 years Obama has sat presumably "non-attentivel" listening. Who pays attention to routine stuff?

Obama campaigns that he can be a strong leader. Did he exhibit any hint of leadership over the 23 years he sat in Reverend Wright's pews, each Sunday? But what could he have done aside from, after the cat was out of the back, denounce but not disown his beloved adviser?

1. Did he bother to stand up to his personal adviser about Wright's hate-filled sermons?

2. Did he threaten to resign from the congregation?

3. Did he send a letter of protest to his pastor and spiritual mentor and personal advisor?

4. Did he express outrage to the church's governing body?

What did he do? Well for aside from denying he ever heard any of this, even if in his own book "Dreams from My Father," he calls mentions Wright's anti-US speeches on Hiroshima. Well, instead he chose to donate tens of thousands of dollars to a church whose leader has awarded Louis Farrakhan an anti-semitic, anti-White racist a Lifetime Achievement Award.

Good thing, Obama just has to use the race card and do a "high tech TV lynching" on race in America to win everyone back and beat the media into silence.

Posted by: mci252002 | March 25, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

When will all well-meaning democrat call on DNC to rein in this selfish, shameless, two-faced liar, religious bigot and hypocritical B**ch.

Howard Dean and other superdelegates are watching while democratic party goes down because of one woman's over-ambition.

May God save America should this woman becomes the president.

Posted by: gbemiga1 | March 25, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

LOL! The "ARISTOCRAT" Party! :-D

Posted by: rat-the | March 25, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Roy3:

Obama's lawyers are not to blame for Michigan and Florida. The state parties and legislatures are to blame. They were the ones who broke the DNC rules, which, btw, Harold Ickes supported until it affected his candidate.

Obama's campaign agrees the voices of the voters should be heard -- but only in a fair way -- free of fraud.

The Michigan proposal was funded by huge Clinton supporters. Not exactly representative of a fair election, now is it?

The Florida mail-in vote was rejected by BOTH campaigns due to the high risk for mail-voter fraud.

Get over it. Lay blame where it lies: The STATE parties and legislatures.

Clinton, once again, is using this to manipulate.

Posted by: VoiceofReason5 | March 25, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Roy3:

Obama's lawyers are not to blame for Michigan and Florida. The state parties and legislatures are to blame. They were the ones who broke the DNC rules, which, btw, Harold Ickes supported until it affected his candidate.

Obama's campaign agrees the voices of the voters should be heard -- but only in a fair way -- free of fraud.

The Michigan proposal was funded by huge Clinton supporters. Not exactly representative of a fair election, now is it?

The Florida mail-in vote was rejected by BOTH campaigns due to the high risk for mail-voter fraud.

Get over it. Lay blame where it lies: The STATE parties and legislatures.

Clinton, once again, is using this to manipulate.

Posted by: VoiceofReason5 | March 25, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Roy3:

Obama's lawyers are not to blame for Michigan and Florida. The state parties and legislatures are to blame. They were the ones who broke the DNC rules, which, btw, Harold Ickes supported until it affected his candidate.

Obama's campaign agrees the voices of the voters should be heard -- but only in a fair way -- free of fraud.

The Michigan proposal was funded by huge Clinton supporters. Not exactly representative of a fair election, now is it?

The Florida mail-in vote was rejected by BOTH campaigns due to the high risk for mail-voter fraud.

Get over it. Lay blame where it lies: The STATE parties and legislatures.

Clinton, once again, is using this to manipulate.

Posted by: VoiceofReason5 | March 25, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans have begun their mischief already.

Check out You Tube's "Is Obama Wright?" for chuckles galore.

Obama says when he's done chillin' in St. Thomas he'll be returning with a speech about the four thousand dead & the fifth anniversary of the war in Iraq.

Uh...duh?, I do believe he's missed the boat on that one by a week.

While Obama's been relaxin' in the Caribbean, "reading scripture" to his daughters, that old man McCain has returned from his upteenth trip to Iraq. I guess McCain didn't need to chill.

Maybe Obama might consider making his first trip there to access the situation before telling us what he's gonna do.

Obama's been to his homeland Kenya, however. He says things are bad there too. So far, no plan on solving that problem either. But he's from there, or actually his deadbeat Dad, whom he dreams of often, is.

But, as Obama will remind you constantly, he was, as millions of other citizens who also had NO vote in the matter, against the war in Iraq.

He said so, in 2002, in Illinois, to his "spiritual mentor" the Rev. Jeremiah.

And the reverend blessed him & annointed him the New Messiah.

Posted by: dyend | March 25, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

First, she was asked a question and then she answered it. I think she answered it sincerely. I don't see how anyone can say she is keeping a smoldering fire burning by answering. She corrected herself on the Bosnia plane ride but you must realize that jumping off the back end of a C-17 was a bit different than her normal exit to waiting crowds, a chance to see the First lady. There's no crowd in that footage but I do see a lot of people with guns.

But, let's ask Obama a question: what was his comments last year on the Don Imus?
"I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus," Obama told ABC News, "but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude."
I'd say he's a little bit softer when race issues are a bit closer to home.

Posted by: Dave25 | March 25, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

This gets her some free press. If she had money, the American way of doing it is to put the Wrights and Obama's sound bites dramatically side-by-side on TV starting a week before every primary. This ensures Obama's unelectability. If Clinton don't do that, McCain, the RNC, or the conservative affilate groups will do that after he becomes the nominee. I am sorry for those who supports Obama, but this is the reality.

Posted by: work2play | March 25, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

j_thinks

I thinks you have Obamanitis, you are exhibiting the "censorship" symptons of the affliction

Posted by: lndlouis | March 25, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

This was Clintons answer to a direct question made by a journalist: "He would not have been my pastor," Clinton said. "You don't choose your family, but you choose what church you want to attend." If anyone should be blamed it´s your fellow journalist.

Barack Obama is calculating in a rather cowardly way. He is not even reliable. As a matter of fact he really is a divider in a very concrete sense - exact opposite of what he is preaching. Two great states are now separated from the "democatic union" thanks to Barack Obama.

Quotation: "OBAMA´S LAWYERS (daddies) SUCCESSFULLY PREVENTED RE-VOTES IN FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN (my comment: the nicest daddies in the world). That means it would be virtually impossible for Clinton to take a lead in either elected delegates or total primary votes"!

When Obama has grown up he may be able to speak for himself, or...........................?

Posted by: Roy3 | March 25, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Which Hillary are we listening to? The one who "misspoke" (LIED) about Bosnia, the one who led the health care fiasco, the one who brought race into the campaign, the one who has so little respect for herself that she still lives with a wandering husband, or the one who does not recognize that the lower in the gutter she goes with her comments, the more her negatives, already near 50%, just go up, guaranteeing the old man of AZ will win in November.

But, go ahead, Hillary, keep it up because you deserve to be President, maybe of the PTA but not of MY nation!


Posted by: swanieaz | March 25, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Come on, people.

Do you think the retired pastor Wright is running for president?

Do you like being manipulated by the mass media?

What affects you more: Rev. Wright's soundbites -- who is NOT a candidate and is retired;

or Hillary Clinton, whose campaign is based on "Experience," which is based on nothing but lies?

Remember, President Clinton and G. W. Bush both ran White House Admins. based on lies. Is this what you want to see more of?

Posted by: VoiceofReason5 | March 25, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I had a dream last night that Hillary backed out of the race because she saw that she could not win without wrecking America's future. I found her noble.

Then I wake up and read this extension of her attack on Obama. Character is destiny. Who ever, ever, called this woman ruthless, cold and calculating? It is there for all Democrats to see.

Democrat women, please wake up and stop clinging to Hillary Clinton because she is a woman. She is a horrible person. She and her campaign have shown it over and over. All she can do is try to make Obama a chocolat man, a one-race candidate, and mock the fact that he speaks in clear, intelligent, realistic, heart-felt sentences! Not just pathetic but disgusting. To the point most of us Democrats will, if she is nominated, vote for McCain as the only liberal in the race.

Posted by: walden1 | March 25, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people."

Just Words?

"God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people ... God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

Just words?

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye."

Just words?

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

Just words?

"We started the AIDS virus ... as a means of genocide against people of color."

Just words?

In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial."

Yes, just words.

What a fake. Folks, show your indignation regarding these comments by helping Hillary's campaign - even if it is just $5.

https://contribute.hillaryclinton.com/form.html?sc=2390

Posted by: Umbria | March 25, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Hillary gave the correct response to a reporters' question today. I totally agree with her. I would not have Jeremiah Wright as my "pastor" either. He's a racist. I would not have Obama's new "pastor' Moss as my pastor either. He's no better. Check out Moss giving his Easter "sermon" on youtube. It's appalling. This "church" is a disgrace.

What kind of man, what kind of father would continually subject his own two part white children to the racist Jeremiah Wright, who is anti-white, anti-semitic, anti-American, pro-Farakhaan, black supremecy, nation of isam supporter who believes that "The U.S. Govt created AIDS to kill black people" and that the U.S. brought 9/ll on ourselves. THIS is the man Obama calls his "mentor"??

It calls into serious question the character and judgment of Barack Obama.

Not only should he completely disassociate himself from this "church", the question remains why did Obama choose this church in the first place? Chicago is chock full of mainstream churches of all faiths that do not preach racist, anti-American hate.

Obama has not answered this issue. Obama's negatives will continue to rise with Wright, Moss, Rezko, Crown, Exelon, etc.

Obama is unelectable.

**VOTE SMART! VOTE HILLARY!**

Posted by: TAH1 | March 25, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

YES!!!! Finally!! Now we need a "More Perfect Hypocrite" speech from Hillary that shows what an opportunistic scam artist Obama is. Shame on her if she goes back into the shell on this topic. It is time for her to stop being a nice little girl. Being a sweet girl won't win her the respect of all the misogynists on this forum (and elsewhere) who think it is a crime to be racist but cute to be a woman hater.

Posted by: aamittal | March 25, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Couple more things for those who are mis-guided:

a) you've taken sound bites out of context
b) Wright's commentary is repulsive to the white general public (and I am one), but it is TYPICAL of African American sermons. Because their world view is born of slavery and Jim Crow days, they take a critical eye to our nation in hopes of IMPROVING it. Its' a cultural divide.
c) Obama is WHITE. Obama is BLACK. He understands both cultures, so he can bridge the huge gap.
d) Are you bi-racial?
e) What could be more American than someone bi-racial who helps those in need, and understands the melting pot issues of our nation??? Obama is more American than you or I.
f) DO NOT JUDGE UNLESS YOU HAVE WALKED IN ANOTHERS SHOES

g) CLINTON IS TRYING TO GET US TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT OFF HER LYING ABOUT HER SO-CALLED EXPERIENCE. Don't fall for it, or you'll get 4 more years of lying. Weren't the last eight enough?

Wake up.

Posted by: VoiceofReason5 | March 25, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Couple more things for those who are mis-guided:

a) you've taken sound bites out of context
b) Wright's commentary is repulsive to the white general public (and I am one), but it is TYPICAL of African American sermons. Because their world view is born of slavery and Jim Crow days, they take a critical eye to our nation in hopes of IMPROVING it. Its' a cultural divide.
c) Obama is WHITE. Obama is BLACK. He understands both cultures, so he can bridge the huge gap.
d) Are you bi-racial?
e) What could be more American than someone bi-racial who helps those in need, and understands the melting pot issues of our nation??? Obama is more American than you or I.
f) DO NOT JUDGE UNLESS YOU HAVE WALKED IN ANOTHERS SHOES

g) CLINTON IS TRYING TO GET US TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT OFF HER LYING ABOUT HER SO-CALLED EXPERIENCE. Don't fall for it, or you'll get 4 more years of lying. Weren't the last eight enough?

Wake up.

Posted by: VoiceofReason5 | March 25, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

previous post--typo--must read superdelegates--not supercandidates

Posted by: bn1123 | March 25, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's in trouble for lying about Bosnia, so now she's dragging everyone back into the gutter.

LIAR, LIAR, PANTSUIT ON FIRE !!

Posted by: greener_pastures | March 25, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

You may have only heard three minutes of sound bites, but Barak heard 20 years of this crap and should have said something or at least, left the church rather than risk the democratic bid for the white house against the "psuedo patriotic republicans".

Hillary can comment on whatever she likes. Obamanitis is a serious affliction for those who have it because one of the side effects appears to be "censorhsip".

Barak, like Hillary spoke out against Imus's remarks, and Barak also called for the firing of Don Imus and said "if anyone in my camp said anything like that, they would be fired"
yet his pastor spews hateful anti-american, anti-white racists bigotry and he sat and listened and didn't say a word.
Double standard I say. Is this the kind of free speech our soldiers are dying for?

He brings a hugh liability to democratic bid for the white house thru his "lack of judgement" in assessing just how much this would be damaging the democratic party. If this had come out earlier, which Hillary could have done but didn't, he never would have gotten as many votes as he did, so he is skating on thin ice.
Hillary did not "do this to Barak", Barak "did this to himself by not handling this years ago."

When he went to run for president, that day, he should have said something like this:

"I am running for President and can no longer participate in a church that spews hate against this country, as I want to be the leader of this country." or something like that.

But no, he believed in the fairy dust theory about himself and ignored it thinking that he is so great no one will care. But people do care and the republicans are going to have a hey day. A gift given to them by Barak.

Instead of a speech, he should have done a press conference and stuck it thru until the end of the press conference and the issue would be handled. Twisting this situation by a speech to be the problem of the "country's racism" just accentuated his inability to handle this siutation. A situation of his doing.

So Hillary saying she would never have a pastor like that mirrors why Oprah left the church, because of the rhetoric. Should we just give Obama a free pass because he is Barak Obama?

We know that Barak and Hillary felt the same way about Imus and both spoke out. What is the difference in Hillary commenting on Wright? None. Why is it wrong for Hillary now? because everything Hillary does is wrong.

Rev Wright is instilling hate for America into the minds of american children who are going to grow up prejuidiced against their own country and will use "white" as an excuse not to try. I wouldn't have him as my pastor either and I am considered radical by some standards.

Posted by: lndlouis | March 25, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's in trouble for lying about Bosnia, so now she's dragging everyone back into the gutter.

LIAR, LIAR, PANTSUIT ON FIRE !!

Posted by: greener_pastures | March 25, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I AGREE WITH HILLARY ON THIS! ... this NObama church thing is a BIG ISSUE and shows the type of character he has ... also, since he and his wife only gave less than 1% of their income to charity ... what kind of Christian is that??? ... this is pretty darn cheap!!

Posted by: paris1969 | March 25, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

This is beyond ridiculous. The Senator and her campaign were completely silent on the very real Wright issue that Senator Obama has. She did not weigh in--she was asked a very pointed question and answered it according to what she thinks.
This is as much hype as we see on the issue of the role of superdelegates. Clinton opponents can stand on their heads and then some--but the fact is that supercandidates were created in order to add some judgment of party officials to the decisions of rank and file voters--a large part of them not even registered Democrats.
Read on this, if you care:
http://www.reflectivepundit.com

Posted by: bn1123 | March 25, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad to see that Hillary is working hard as ever to be a uniter not a divider... Do we really want four years of this type of leadership?

Posted by: thomjo4018 | March 25, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

It is sad when everybody today already knows how it is or how it was with these sermons. Originals were torn apart apart and public receive only what FOX News or some similar idiots wanted us to hear. I care less about who is visiting which church or some pastor talks but I care about fairness...are you people so stupid or brainwashed to refuse the truth?
Rew. Wright sermon 9/11 had nothing to do with anti- American ideas. Rev. Wright was just referring to Ambassador Peck and his hate speech...nothing else. Do you get it?
Even John McCain said he wanted to talk about issues which are important. Oh well sleazy ball like HRC and her campaign team will win even if nobody takes a piece of bread from Democrats for many years to come.

Posted by: Jarda1 | March 25, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

lndlouis - grow up

Posted by: J_thinks | March 25, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

If Clinton wants to play that card, I would like to ask her why she chose to have Billy Graham play a "pastoral" role in her life. After all, Rev. Graham was caught on tape making anti-semitic comments and that HIV/AIDS was a judgment from God. We can all play this game, but it diverts us from the issues. We have a failing economy, a war in Iraq, and 40+million uninsured and she wants to harp on the Rev. Wright issue? Give me a break. Move on Hilary...and while your at it, move over so that we can begin to rebuild the Dem. part in preparation for the general election.

Posted by: msmarsh | March 25, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama is NOT Reverend Wright. Obama is NOT a sheep.

Why does Obama support EX-pastor Wright's Trinity congregation? Because Obama SUPPORTS THE POOR AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY THAT Wright's CONGREGATION SERVES. Obama attends the congregation to support the African American community in Chicago. Nothing more.

Obama honestly faced this issue in his speech, head on. I admire his honesty.

Why is Hillary running such a sleazy campaign? Because dishonesty is a-ok in her family, obviously. I do not admire Clinton's DIS-honesty.

This is more evidence that she will do ANYTHING to a) get the nomination; b) tear down her party; c) ensure McCain's presidency.

To those who cannot see this: wake up -- or it's over for the Democrats.

I once admired Clinton. Not any more. I cannot vote for her. And I am an over-40 white woman.

Obama 08!

Posted by: VoiceofReason5 | March 25, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama is NOT Reverend Wright. Obama is NOT a sheep.

Why does Obama support EX-pastor Wright's Trinity congregation? Because Obama SUPPORTS THE POOR AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY THAT Wright's CONGREGATION SERVES. Obama attends the congregation to support the African American community in Chicago. Nothing more.

Obama honestly faced this issue in his speech, head on. I admire his honesty.

Why is Hillary running such a sleazy campaign? Because dishonesty is a-ok in her family, obviously. I do not admire Clinton's DIS-honesty.

This is more evidence that she will do ANYTHING to a) get the nomination; b) tear down her party; c) ensure McCain's presidency.

To those who cannot see this: wake up -- or it's over for the Democrats.

I once admired Clinton. Not any more. I cannot vote for her. And I am an over-40 white woman.

Obama 08!

Posted by: VoiceofReason5 | March 25, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

PS - And I never begrudge anyone from answering a question (which this was). So she can answer anyway she sees fit. Its when they do not want to answer or make things up is what is annoying.

Posted by: J_thinks | March 25, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I hate how Obama flits effortlessly between a Scoundrel and a Saint so effortlessly. This whole race issue is a perfect illustration of it.

The race row really started when Bill Clinton called Obama's Iraq stand a "fairy tale". Apparently this phrase "fairy tale" is racist in any context. Where was Obama's high flown pedantry when Bill was being cruelly turned into a racist over this?

Hillary tried to say that activists (such as MLK) require Presidents/legislators (LBJ) to convert policies into law. According to Obama this statement is tinged with racism. Where was Obama's contextualizing and preaching for forbearance then?

Another one of his spiritual advisors from Harvard writes an op-ed saying the 3am ad is racist! For the first time in my life I saw even Obama supporters uncomfortably shrugging off that claim. Did we hear anything from Obama? Any post-racial calls?

Geraldine Ferraro at worst was crudely trying to say that Obama wouldn't have come this far in the race without 80-90% of the African-American vote. Perhaps an imprudent statement but it was made in a paid speech in an insignificant forum and would hardly have been noticed if Obama's camp had not pushed it. She is merely one of Hillary's hilariously big finance team. Where was Obama's mature outlook towards race then? What was especially galling was Obama, in his dysfunctional union speech, trying to equate Wright's hateful, anti-American speech with Ferraro's remarks! Whoa! This guy is positively reptilian. I mean, chameleons have more consistency than this multi-faceted slickster. To compare the hate speech of a mentor/spiritual advisor of 20 years with mildly insensitive remarks of a woman tangentially connected to Hillary's campaign is really something. And he wanted Ferraro to resign straight-away. He came with hatchets at her. Look at the cold-blooded nature of people like David Axelrod who sought and got Ferraro's support several times in the past for minority candidates and is known to be her friend. No benefit of doubt for a friend. No respect for a former democratic vice-presidential nominee.

That Obama's candidacy is not dead right away (it soon will be, believe me) is to the "we know what is good for you" attitude of mainstream press like New York Times and Washington Post. That such intellectuals should be so naive is what is galls me. Did they really think a person who ginned up a real estate deal with a top-notch crook to add a 10 square foot of land to a $1.5 million dollar home is of any remarkable probity? How ding-dong in the head do you have to be to expect that such a person wouldn't be upto all sorts of other crookery?

And, of course, so it has been the last few weeks. All kinds of crookery. He relentlessly beats up Hillary for being supportive of NAFTA while his top economic aide comforts Canada - ah, don't worry, it's all campaign rhetoric. Approaching Iowa, he viciously beats up Hillary for not having a firm Iraq withdrawal date, for suggesting that such a date is hard to predict not knowing what she would inherit as president. Meanwhile, his top foreign-policy aide tells another ally that Obama wouldn't be relying on some withdrawal plan he has for the campaign trail!

I mean, in terms of crookery, Nixon, Rezko, Norman Hsu have nothing on this guy.

What is truly remarkable is the incapacity of those stupid "latte liberals" to get down from their Ivory Tower of wine and pastries and take some responsibility here. It is time, poets and star-gazers, to put aside sentimentalizing, and give us a hand as we throw this guy overboard. There is a policy on this ship, folks. No rats allowed. Put Hillary down, she's not the one and give us a hand over here.

Posted by: vishalg_99 | March 25, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

I love Bill Clinton still do and think Al Gore made a mistake by not allowing Bill more exposure in his campaign. Most people love Bill Clinton still do except for the Obamanites who want Obama to win and see Bill as another way to attack Hillary.

I never found his remarks to be racist and always saw that one as Obama playing the race card.

The fairy tale comment was correct in that Barak was being given a pass in the press as the always against the war candidate and then when he got to the Senate, he voted for the war everytime and voted exactly as Hillary, this was never mentioned in the press - so the fairy tale comment was true. Eat it and bite me Obamanites.

Give it to Obama and lets see how the rest of the country likes the 20 year association with Wright and lets see what the republicans do with Wright and Michelles comments. I don't condone the tactics they will use, it's just that i have not got rose colored glasses on and I can see the writing on the wall.

Barak has brought a "hugh liability" to the democrats in this election. But thats ok, this has all been good for Baraks career, and that is the most important thing - to Barak.

Posted by: lndlouis | March 25, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

From abcnews.com:

"On "Good Morning America" Tuesday, Democratic strategist and Clinton supporter James Carville said "it happens" with regards to Clinton's misstatement.

"She's been in public life for a long time. She's been subjected to some rather vicious attacks. Some of them have taken a toll."

So does being attacked make you lose your memory? Does it bring on Alzheimer's? Seriously, because if her mental faculties have been diminished, rightly or wrongly, she does not need to be President.

Posted by: gbooksdc | March 25, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Wow - Okay so she commented on it, so what. I am sure their will be plenty more of this over the next few weeks might want to get used to it. But always remember goose/gander...there are multiple items due out in the next few weeks.

Taxes, taxes, taxes - and nothing leaves a trail like good ol fashion money.

Posted by: J_thinks | March 25, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

"After originally refusing to play politics with this issue, it's disappointing to see Hillary Clinton's campaign sink to this low in a transparent effort to distract attention away from the story she made up about dodging sniper fire in Bosnia."

So -- for those keeping score at home --

a) she lied about Bosnia

b) she would have kept on lying about Bosnia, but there was video so

c) she's trying to change the subject by bringing up

d) comments made, not by Obama himself, but by his long-time pastor.

Disgusting. Can anyone EVER remember taking responsibility for any promise she didn't keep, any situation that turned out bad? Do people really want THIS in the next President? Haven't 16 years been enough?

Posted by: gbooksdc | March 25, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

THE ISSUE WAS RISED BY A JOURNALIST! "She was asked about the flap when she met with the editorial board of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review today". The only thing she did was to give A DIRECT ANSWER to his question. The media fellow is to be blamed!

Posted by: Roy3 | March 25, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Clinton. If Obama and his supporters doesn't like Hillary's comments, its their problem .. If Obama can condemn Imus's remarks then why not his pastor ? Is his pastor more important to him that racial equality ? Sen Obama would take us back to 1800's. we don't a president that take country back to 1800's, we want someone who has vision for future and that's Hillary .. GO Hillary

Posted by: IndependentAmerican | March 25, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama is an apostate muslim that converted 20 years ago to the Black Liberation Theology.

Posted by: jdcw | March 25, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I knew she couldn't resist saying something. Anything to win including tearing down your own party eh Hillary?

Posted by: cmsatown | March 25, 2008 05:47 PM
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Here's another narcissistic clown who thinks that two-faced liar Obama is the Democratic Party. Somewhat ought to clarify to this ding-dong that our Party can never belong to a Pied-Piper who has for a spiritual adviser a person who asks God to damn America. A person who accuses America for inventing the AIDS virus to kill off America. If that is the Democratic Party then bring me the Republican Party application because there is no difference between the two anymore.

I have been very, very supportive of Hillary throughout. But if she doesn't have the spine to take up the Wright issue and put left, right and center then I will not support her anymore.

Posted by: tuscany1 | March 25, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

You want to know why I am glad to see Hillary comment on this issue?

As she tried to stay out of it, she was accused by Obama supporters as being the one who caused the story.

Hillary should speak out on an issue like this.

I am very disappointed that Obama tried, and it seems he was successful, to paint this as a racial issue in order to have it disappear. Rather than being a racial issue, this is an issue of anti-Americanism. Obama refused to view or address it in those terms.

Obama has revealed himself, not as the healer or new kind of politician he wants us to believe he is, but rather, as just an old-time politician, unvetted, unproven, unknown and unelectable.

Problem is, I think we are stuck with the Obama nomination on the Democratic side, which means we will have a Republican in the white house for the next four years.

I respect Hillary as a candidate and as a person. I resent hearing so much Hillary bashing. It is not good for our party, our politics, or our country. If Obama was the healer he says he is, we would hear him speak out against the racism that has been spawned by his own campaign and supporters.

Bud Curtis
Miami, OK

Posted by: bcurtis | March 25, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Has it ever dawned on anyone that Bill and Hillary Clinton wouldnt mind Mc Cain being president? Her whole base of supporters are the Reagan democrats. Mc Cain will win the white house because the reagan democrats will never support obama. Neither will the heartland of blue collar white church goes accept Obama endorsing his black panther style church. Just like Obama has sent messages about 'hoodwinking and bamboozled' to his malcom x supporters, both clintons have made it clear they prefer mc Cain to Obama. Do you blame them? Obama is an empty suit who has lied and said anything to con democrats into thinking he was the second coming. He has torn the party in half, backed by LOSERS Kerry and Kennedy. The clintons are the only winners in the party. Obama will be just yet another LOSER democratic candidate.

Posted by: tom1966 | March 25, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

I am glad Hillary finally decided to speak up on the Wright issue. I was getting sick and tired of her playing coy on this. She needs to aggressively take up this issue and not be a wimp.

Posted by: tuscany1 | March 25, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Check out Rev. Wright's sweet real estate deal at this web site:

www.revjeremiahawrightjr.com

Kenneth Lewis sells the land and then Wright sells it to the church with a 10 million dollar mortgage at 8.2%interest.

Posted by: jp31901cg | March 25, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I knew she couldn't resist saying something. Anything to win including tearing down your own party eh Hillary?

Posted by: cmsatown | March 25, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people."

Just Words?

"God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people ... God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

Just words?

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye."

Just words?

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

Just words?

"We started the AIDS virus ... as a means of genocide against people of color."

Just words?

In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial."

Yes, just words.

What a fake. Folks, show your indignation regarding these comments by helping Hillary's campaign - even if it is just $5.

https://contribute.hillaryclinton.com/form.html?sc=2390

Posted by: Umbria | March 25, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

And you can pick your husband too. So where was her moral high ground when Bill was sexually harassing his entire female staff? Why didn't Hillary speak out against his actions or get up and move then? And why is she refusing to return over $170,000 in campaign contributions from a firm whose top executives are all under pending litigation for sexual harassment.

As is typical of her, she will always do what is politically convenient at that time. She makes my skin crawl. If she gets the nomination, I will vote Republican in the general! She is George Bush with boobs!!!

Posted by: shaicai | March 25, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

These remarks come just as polls show that Obama is gaining back some ground with whites in NC:

http://ccpsblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/new-nc-poll-suggests-obamas-speech.html

Wonder if they will undermine the gains he has made.

Posted by: MAB4 | March 25, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I am deeply disappointed and saddened by the latest remarks by Senator Clinton. She is so intelligent that it truly shocks me that she would make comments as ignorant as those she has made in Pittsburgh. Comparing the remarks by Don Imus that were clear racist and sexist slurs about a group of college basketball players to one clergyman's albeit not very popular commentary on a history of what he views as bad domestic and foreign relations are very different.

Senator Clinton, her advisors and her communication team should know better and do better. What a person sees and how he or she interprets it is based on his or her own individual beliefs and life experiences. The assertion that individual's perceptions are based on their personal experiences is reinforced by standpoint theories. Standpoint theories are based on the idea that the world looks different based on your social standing. These vantage or standpoints are the result of a person's field experiences as defined by social group membership. Interracial communication scholars suggest people often see life drastically different based on the social standing of their racial or ethnic group membership and that different racial standpoints potentially generate contrasting perceptions of reality and reasoning. Further, they suggest that standpoints affect how people communicate as well as perceive the communication of others and understanding of differing racial standpoints could enhance interracial communication consequently improve race relations dialogue in the United States.

Throughout the history of the United States African Americans have developed views on domestic and foreign policy that have been in contrast to the mainstream. Among the policy issues that have generated differing standpoints are the United States government's role in military action abroad and their reasoning to initiate or support such actions, particularly on nations where the majority of the population is people of color.

That is vastly different from the comments made by Don Imus. Right now Senator Clinton, I think you should tell your communication team and all of your advisors that if this is the advice they are giving you - they should be the ones getting up and moving!

Posted by: cjfluker | March 25, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

This is just getting absurd. McCain gets to take the high road on issues like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3-WQ1vX3PE&NR=1) while the Clinton campaign tries to drag Obama farther through the mud. Same with Obama and the stupid "sniper fire" issue.

John McCain is going to keep rising in the polls as long as he gets to rise above the fray while Hillary and Barack go at each other for another three months. It's getting ridiculous, and since Clinton has no real chance to get the nomination now, she needs to suck it up and drop out for the good of the country. David Brooks had a really good column about this today: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/opinion/25brooks.html.

Posted by: ManUnitdFan | March 25, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I was initially very disturbed by the quotes of Rev. Wright's words that wound up in the newspapers, but then I watched longer clips of his words in context and I don't feel he was out of the mainstream for a Christian minister.
http://blogs.tampabay.com/media/2008/03/rev-jeremiah-wr.html
My ministers have always expressed themselves more sedately, but always called sinners (all of us) to account for our sinful thoughts, words, and deeds. I don't expect to be patted on the head for being a wonderful patriot in church.

Posted by: mviise | March 25, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Hilary, it's over. You can do the work for the Republicans if you like. Scorched earth, Tonya Hardy solution, whatever you want to call it. Don't play the, "if I can't have it no one can" game. If you back out now, you don't even have to reveal your Income Tax forms. Play the gracious loser, don't go down in flames, we need you on the team in the Senate to help fix the mess the Republicans, your real enemies, made. Please.

Posted by: thebobbob | March 25, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Mrs. Clinton is trying to dodge another bit of "sniper fire" by getting into the middle of this -- or she might be trying to divert attention from her personal "pastorgate" connection to the fascist leaning "Family" bible study group on Capitol Hill (maybe she should have realized trading Bible verses with pols like John Ashcroft, Ed Meese and Rick Santorum might not be too smart). This underground group is examined in this recent Huffington Post piece:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-nasty-pastorate_b_92361.html

Mrs. Clinton? Maybe getting into the middle of Obama's pastor's controversy, as you have these ugly connections of your own, is yet another "misspeak."

Posted by: Omyobama | March 25, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

I agree that "getting up and moving 9to a different church)" would have been the right response to hearing the preacher's fiery sermons. Barack HUSSEIN Obama condemned Don Imus, right?

Posted by: JakeD | March 25, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Dimocrats-They have gone beyond being the Democrats!

They, are NOW;

The ARISTOCRATS! :-D

Posted by: rat-the | March 25, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

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