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Michigan Revote Plan Up in the Air, and Up to Obama

Updated 7:51 p.m.
By Peter Slevin
WASHINGTON --The fate of Michigan's Democratic presidential delegates remained unclear Tuesday ahead of consultations between state politicians and strategists for Sen. Barack Obama.

Obama's approval is central to a proposal from state lawmakers to hold a June 3 primary that would replace the results from January, when Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton was the only major Democrat on the ballot.

Clinton has agreed to the re-do, which would be run by the state and underwritten with as much as $12 million in private funds. The Obama campaign has remained noncommittal, asking for time to study the plan.

A source said a conference call is scheduled for this evening between several key Michigan political figures and the Obama campaign. The same Michigan players are scheduled to consult with state Democratic and Republican caucuses on Wednesday.

Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said the Illinois senator's campaign would not rush a decision "on a day when Michigan legislators themselves have indicated that there isn't enough legislative support for a re-vote."

"As others in Michigan have pointed out," Vietor said, "there are valid concerns about the proposal currently being discussed, including severe restrictions on voter eligibility and the reliance on private funding."

Vietor also noted that local election officials have worried aloud that there may not be enough time to stage a primary properly.

"We have raised these concerns, as legislators in Michigan did today," Vietor said, "and we're waiting to see if these issues can be resolved by the legislature."

"A revote is the only way Michigan can be assured its delegation will be seated," Clinton strategist Harold Ickes said recently.

The dispute began last year, when Michigan defied the Democratic National Committee and moved up its primary to Jan. 15. The DNC responded by ruling that Michigan's 156 delegates would not be seated at the party's August nominating convention in Denver.

None of the Democratic candidates campaigned in Michigan, honoring a demand from leaders in the four states awarded early slots on the campaign calendar.

Clinton left her name on the ballot while Obama, former Sen. John Edwards and others removed theirs. She won 55 percent of the vote, while "Uncommitted" received 40 percent.

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Posted by: huzrnsgv jwqzlf | April 16, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Isn't the reason we have rules and laws is to follow them. The public was aware that their votes wouldn't count. Its just not fair to revote when everyone else followed the rules. NO REVOTE

Posted by: lrogers | March 20, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama recently sent out a mailing in which the subject line read "More voices". If the voices of Michigan voters are not heard because the plan does not receive Obama's okay even after he said he would abide by what the DNC said, then his call for more voices in the election process seems like an empty call.

Former Michigander

Posted by: llong51 | March 19, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama recently sent out a mailing in which the subject line read "More voices". If the voices of Michigan voters are not heard because the plan does not receive Obama's okay even after he said he would abide by what the DNC said, then his call for more voices in the election process seems like an empty call.

Former Michigander

Posted by: llong51 | March 19, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Michigan,
You are full of intelligent, informed Americans. Please do not accept Hillary's declaration that MI's loss of delegates is somehow Obama's fault. I have read many reasons why a re-vote may not accurately reflect your choice; it's a chaotic mess that occurred without the voice of the Michigan people. But, it's done. Please, please, do not fall into the prey of Hillary's scam. Let this one go and please celebrate with us when Obama wins the general election.

Posted by: tlkraft5 | March 19, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse


Please spare us more of the blood sport the Clintons' are playing. I hope that the Obama campaign does not agree to any kind of "re-do" in Michigan and especially now that Florida has decided not to do a "re-do". It is pointless because it 1) would sacrifice principle, 2) will not change the numerical outcome, 3) and in the case of Michigan not doing a "re-do" won't have any long-term ramification, 4) would contaminate what has been, so far, a clean process.

If the Clintons had the numerical advantage that Obama has they would not agree. As you read this, they are trying to sabotage an honest process in Texas. They were refused a request to delay announcement of the results of the caucus in Texas, knowing full well that will move Texas to the Obama column.

This is where the Obama campaign needs to show tact and toughness.

Posted by: nm2pluto | March 19, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Please spare us more of the blood sport the Clintons' are playing. I hope that the Obama campaign does not agree to any kind of "re-do" in Michigan and especially now that Florida has now decided to go that way. It is pointless because while the Democrats would be going through a futile exercise that ends up either 1) would sacrifice principle, 2) will not change the numerical outcome, 3) and in the case of Michigan not doing a "re-do" won't have any long-term ramification, 4) would not contaminate what has been, so far, a clean process.
If the Clintons had the numerical advantage that Obama has they would not agree. As you read this, they are trying to sabotage an honest process in Texas. They were refused a request to delay announcement the results of the caucus in Texas.
This is where the Obama campaign to show tact and toughness.

Posted by: nm2pluto | March 19, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

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"Wright is like an uncle you love and respect"
IT'S WAY TOO LATE OBAMA, NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR YOUR LIES AND EXCUSES OR A SPEECH SOMEONE WROTE OR STOLE FOR YOU! YOU HAVE CLAIMED TO BE A MEMBER FOR 20 YEARS, YOU KNOW FULL WELL WHAT THIS RACIST ANTI-AMERICAN PREACHES EACH WEEK, YOU CAN BUY THE DVDS ON THE WEBSITE, and THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW YOU'RE RASING YOUR YOUNG DAUGHTERS? YOU ARE MOST CERTINALLY NOT THE LEADER FOR THIS GREAT COUNTRY! No one says Obama can't attend any church he wants, or practice Muslim religion, he can be as racist as his "not proud of America" wife Michelle, or even the anti- American as Wright and his churches "man of the year award" Farrakhan! The problems he is running to be President for ALL people of the U.S. not just white American haters! He is not fit to be in public service! He should have disowned Wright & Farrakhan before this week or left that church years ago if he didn't agree with his anti-American, anti white preaching. He is teaching his daughters the same type of anti American racism by attending that church and continuing to support and follow his spiritual advisor Rev Wright! Obama can't persuade his way out of this one with that extremely lame speech!
IT'S TIME OBAMA GET OUT OF THE RACE!!! DROP OUT! WE DO NOT NEED OR WANT YOUR CHANGE BACK THE RACIAL DIVIDE OF THE 60'S...SHAME ON YOU OBAMA!


Posted by: dyck21005 | March 19, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Jeez... you people that bought into the "it's Obama's fault" thing really blow my mind.

#1 it's the STATE's and SUPERDELEGATE's fault this all went down.

#2 EVERY OTHER nomineed BUT Hillary publicly opposed the DNC's decision to strip their right to vote by removing themselves from the balot.

#3 HRC only decided to care when there was NO OTHER way to possibly win.

She doesn't care about Michigan, Florida, or any other state. She only cares about herself, her own glory, and her own legacy.

Obama's response has been as simple as I'll let them decide their own fate and this is perceived as Obama "digging his heels in" just because Hillary said so??? For all you HRC supporters that go on and on about how we Obama supporters are blindly strayed by words, consider the evidence supporting HRC's own.

It doesn't exist.

Posted by: jencm | March 19, 2008 7:18 AM | Report abuse

I'd like NY to have a re-vote. Apparently some districts in Harlem gave Obama 0 votes.

Posted by: sassooni | March 19, 2008 5:21 AM | Report abuse

No wonder Hilary backs a re-do!! because it fits her own Self Interest! as always. Florida have said No! that should be the same answer clear from Michigan today.

You can't go around changing rules that you agreed to just for your own interest. I agree this error has to be corrected, but that is for the next election not now.

Posted by: jaybs1 | March 19, 2008 5:10 AM | Report abuse

It is interesting that some people think that the one candidate in the entire presidential race that has the most popular votes and highest delegate total is unelectable. I consider myself non-partisan. However, I do believe that Obama has a better chance at winning the election because he inspires the people that support him in such a manner that many of them will be incredibly hurt if he does not win the nomination. Many will blame his failure on the unfair politics that Clinton is using in her final plea of desperation. The record number of Democrats that Obama inspired will definitely not waste their time voting for her in Nov.

Posted by: rollins | March 19, 2008 3:34 AM | Report abuse

This whole thing is amusing. Thank you Hillary for providing so much entertainment. It is painfully obvious to any political observer that neither Michigan nor Florida will have re-votes. Hillary is so upset that Obama stole her chance at the presidency that she is willing to hurt the democrat's chances in the general election by staying in the race, trying to change the rules, and attempting to villianize Obama by her hateful attacks (despite his likelihood of being the nominee is greater than 99%). If this is what she calls diplomacy it's no wonder she is so unpopular.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

Posted by: sassooni | March 19, 2008 3:34 AM | Report abuse

Nothing but desperate attacks as the race gets further and further out of Hillary's grasps...

Oh mighty Clinton, dost thou lie so low?

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 19, 2008 3:14 AM | Report abuse

Why should the votes not count when Obama has dug in his heels for every solution to have a re-vote?

Does he care about Democrats winning? I don't think so. I think all he cares about is himself. He's not fair and he's not a team player.

As for his speech I'd say what sums it up for me, is you can't chhose your family or Uncles but you can choose your Church and spiritual advisors, at least adults can.

Obama can never win at this point against McCain and I feel Hillary can. Hillary has worked her entire adult life for change and civil rights. I think she really cares about going down in history as a great President, and will work hard. Obama seems to have no history of working for change, but I did read he tried to trademark change you can believe in. He seems insincere, and I don't trsut him anymore. He has a JFK speech writer, and is a great orator, so what he's going to be a figurehead like Bush? If we want a Black actor maybe we should elect Denzel Washington at least he won't have a racist reputation following hi around.

Obama is not electable, if he cares about Democrats winning he should sues his hypnotic skills to get his followers to ELECT HILLARY, ELECT HILLARY, ELECT HILLARY...

Obama promised the people of Illinois he would serve his entire term, and make change happen, he should do that. What's so bad about Obama retuning to his job in the Senate, if he's so talented, why not focus on making change happen in the Senate and then run again.

Posted by: CassZives | March 19, 2008 2:21 AM | Report abuse

By not supporting a Michigan and Florida re-do, Senator Obama reveals that he is an old school politician after all, more interested in winning than in letting these important states be heard in what is the most important Democratic Primary in history because of all the problems facing the nation from the economy to foreign policy.

Posted by: Evelyn5 | March 19, 2008 2:05 AM | Report abuse

This is RIDICULOUS. What is so hard to understand?

BEFORE they held their elections, Mi.and Fl. were told if they went ahead, their elections wouldn't count. They did it anyway- broke the DNC rules. Those in favor of seating their delegates anyway are probably the parental types that let their kid get away with anything, raising little brats. Mi. and Fl. are the little brats of the Democratic party.


It's called consequences. Grow up.

Posted by: julieds | March 19, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

This is RIDICULOUS. What is so hard to understand.

BEFORE they held their elections, Mi.and Fl. were told if they went ahead, their elections wouldn't count. They did it anyway- broke the DNC rules. Those in favor of seating their delegates anyway are probably the parental types that let their kid get away with anything, raising little brats. Mi. and Fl. are the little brats of the Democratic party.


It's called consequences. Grow up.

Posted by: julieds | March 19, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

How convenient for Clinton to have a primary in June when college students are gone for the summer. On the other hand, the Clinton seniors who went to Florida for the winter will be back in Michigan. With the exclusion of Obama's youth vote and the exclusion of all the people who voted in the Republican primary because Obama wasn't on the ballot, any "redo primary" in June would be custom designed for and by Clinton, and a fraud from the start.

Posted by: sgsleuth | March 19, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

How convenient for Clinton to have a primary in June when college students are gone for the summer. On the other hand, the Clinton seniors who went to Florida for the winter will be back in Michigan. With the exclusion of Obama's youth vote and the exclusion of all the people who voted in the Republican primary because Obama wasn't on the ballot, any "redo primary" in June would be custom designed for and by Clinton, and a fraud from the start.

Posted by: sgsleuth | March 19, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Michigan has rules that will block out voters from voting on the revote.

LANSING, Mich. -- One of the sticking points holding up a possible do-over election in Michigan is a rule that would ban anyone who voted in the Republican presidential primary from voting again.

That ban would apply even to Democrats or independents who asked for a GOP ballot because Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton was the only major candidate left on the Jan. 15 Democratic ballot.

Obviously this means those who wanted to vote for Obama would not be allowed to vote. If Hilary really wants a "fair" revote and she is truly concerned about voters being disenfranchised not just voters who are voting for her then she and her people need to push this issue. Michigan is putting in place rules to favor a particular candidate. That is not right. I thought the whole idea of a revote is to get a fair vote for Michigan. If it is than this issue needs to be addressed. Obama has every right to be concerned that the plan being proposed now is not fair. It isn't.

Posted by: marinafalls | March 18, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

There is no way to count Michigan or Florida. Hillary herself said, "These elections will not count for anything."

The only fair way to handle this is seat the delegates and split them down the middle OR re-vote. Florida is not re-voting and I doubt Michigan will either per John Conyers statement today.

The elections as they took place have no validity and the Clinton campaign knew it and said it before it happened. They can not change the rules now that they are losing.

Winning without integrity is what the GOP does best, Hillary shouldn't go there.

Posted by: milicare | March 18, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

The only fair Michigan re-vote is to allow all Michigonians to cast a ballot regardless of their previous vote in a primary whose results they were told would not count!

Posted by: j2winston | March 18, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

FLorida should be counted as is since millions showe dup and both candidates were on the ballot. Extra deleagtes should be made indendent to vatoe at will.

All Michigans delegate should be made superdelegates. That would dfree them all up and settle the issue.

My 2 cents.

Posted by: hhkeller | March 18, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

The politics of this are crystal clear. The Obama campaign did not want a Michigan re-vote or a Florida re-vote.

Does Obama stand to lose more if he does not agree to a Michigan revote?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1898

.

Posted by: jeffboste | March 18, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

this isn't accurate
as far as i know the issue lies with the Michigan democratic party, and members will vote for it, but the concern already is that they may not get enough votes 2/3 to get it done

Posted by: Phoenix4 | March 18, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Hillary need Michigan, especially with her web statistics improving as of late;

Obama vs Clinton vs McCain - a Web Comparison:

http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=76

Posted by: davidmwe | March 18, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

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