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Obama Condemns Pastor's Remarks

Updated 7:53 p.m.
By Peter Slevin
CHICAGO -- Sen. Barack Obama, a Christian who has battled rumors that he is Muslim, is now facing criticism for the fiery sermons of his former pastor at Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ, which he has attended for nearly 20 years.

The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., who presided over Obama's wedding and supplied Obama's signature line, "the audacity of hope," is the focus of a fresh spate of news reports and commentary, including a report on ABC's "Good Morning America" and an opinion piece in Friday's Wall Street Journal that was circulated by the campaign of Sen. John McCain.

In the Journal op-ed, author Ronald Kessler quoted a January 2006 speech at Howard University, where Wright said "racism is how this country was founded and how this country was run...We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in god."

Obama's association with Wright, said Kessler, "raises legitimate questions about Mr. Obama's fundamental beliefs about his country."

In a statement sent to The Huffington Post this afternoon, Obama sought to put some distance between himself and Wright, calling his comments "inflammatory and appalling."

"All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn," Obama wrote in a letter that discussed his early connections to Wright and his support for the church, one of Chicago's largest and most prominent. "They in no way reflect my attitudes and directly contradict my profound love for this country."

Obama repeated the view, which is his standard response on the campaign trail, that voters should focus on what he himself believes, not the words of his longtime pastor, who retired in February.

Late Friday, Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor alerted reporters that Wright will no longer serve in an unpaid and largely ceremonial role on an Obama campaign leadership committee. "Rev. Wright is no longer serving on the African American Religious Leadership Committee," said Vietor in an e-mail.

Yesterday, a reporter for the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review asked Obama about Wright's 2003 remarks that Americans should sing "God damn America" instead of "God bless America," because of the country's treatment of African-Americans and for acting "like she is god and she is supreme."

"Here is what happens when you just cherry-pick statements from a guy who had a 40-year career as a pastor," Obama replied. "There are times when people say things that are just wrong. But I think it's important to judge me on what I've said in the past and what I believe."

Charlie Black, a senior adviser to McCain, said the Arizona senator, who is gearing for a race for the White House against Obama or Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, said he does not believe McCain "wants to get in the middle of a discussion about Sen. Obama's former pastor and his faith."

"When somebody endorses you or befriends you," Black said, "they're embracing your views, the candidates' views, not the other way around."

Obama has written in "Dreams from My Father" that Wright had a profound influence over him in the 1990s, when his faith was reaffirmed. Wirght's sermon on the audacity of hope, Obama writes, took a passage about Hannah from the Book of Samuel and moved from a mediation on a fallen world to the uplift of a painting called Hope.

"Hope!" Wright said, according to Obama. "Like Hannah, that harpist is looking upwards, a few faint notes floating upwards towards the heavens. She dares to hope...She has the audacity...to make music...and praise God...on the one string...she has left."

Obama has made hope in the face of adversity a central theme of his candidacy.

Wright married Barack and Michelle Obama and baptized their two daughters. He was due to give a public invocation on the day in February 2007 when Obama launched his presidential bid on the steps of the old state capitol in Springfield, Ill. But in a sign interpreted by some -- including Wright --- as an effort by the Obama campaign to create some distance, the public appearance did not happen.

In his Huffington Post letter Friday, Obama said he first knew Wright as a "respected biblical scholar" and a retired Marine. He said he first learned of Wright's controversial remarks -- which Obama called "these statements" -- at the start of his presidential campaign.

Because of Wright's imminent retirement, he said, and the Obama family's strong ties to Trinity and its community, "I did not think it appropriate to leave the church."

"The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation," Obama wrote.

"Most importantly, Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life. In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he's been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn."

Obama concluded, "With Rev. Wright's retirement and the ascension of my new pastor, Rev. Otis Moss, III, Michelle and I look forward to continuing a relationship with a church that has done so much good. And while Rev. Wright's statements have pained and angered me, I believe that Americans will judge me not on the basis of what someone else said, but on the basis of who I am and what I believe in; on my values, judgment and experience to be President of the United States."

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Posted by: duchos | April 25, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: scuko | April 12, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

While Obama may denounce his pastor's remarks as inflammatory, much of Obama's message is rooted in that same philosophy of social injustice that he has been listening to for the last 20 years in church.

He just puts it in more polite terms and reduces it to impassioned rhetoric.

Same philosophy, same sentiment, same arrogance. Why else would he be running for office?

Posted by: pbr1 | March 18, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

This is Clinton's social gospel endorser. Is she to distance herself from Rev. Butts because of his statements over many years. There are many articles in NYTimes dicussing him in terms of racism in the country.


FROM NEW YORK TIMES:


Throughout the 1992 campaign, Butts continued to criticize the two major parties, telling the New York Times, "The Republicans have ignored people of African descent. The Democrats have taken us for granted." He endorsed little-known independent Ron Daniels while conceding that most blacks would end up voting for Clinton, saying, "The two best reasons for voting for Bill Clinton and Al Gore are [President] George Bush and [Vice president] Dan Quayle."
Certainly, when the issue has suited him, Butts has delivered inflammatory rhetoric. For instance, when cigarette and alcohol manufacturers advertised their products on Harlem billboards in the face of evidence that their products were harming blacks disproportionately to the rest of the population, Butts called on them to stop. When they refused, he began a program of whitewashing the billboards. Fortune magazine quoted him as saying of G. Heileman Brewing, manufacturer of a malt liquor with high alcohol content that is favored by blacks, "This is obviously a company that has no sense of moral or social responsibility.


More on Rev. Butts:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/16/nyregion/16church.html

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/b/calvin_o_butts_iii/index.html

Posted by: whatdoesthismean | March 17, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know if Rev. Wright's church produced thousands of racists in his church and Chicago community? Do you know if they are lurking the streets and their places of employment to secretly devour those who wronged them?

Does anyone know why Obama could be elected to the Illinois Senate, his home state, and the U.S. and no one seemed to judge him by the church he attended?

Posted by: whatdoesthismean | March 17, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

The idea that the US is not racist is ridiculous when it is more significant that the new NY Governor is black than blind. If you had 6 kittens of differing colors 1 of which was blind would you point out the various colors of each or the blind one? The answer is obvious. If you are blind and achieved what this man has and live in world where his color is what is noted running along the bottom of the TV screen?????...we live in a racist world folks. A black president may help but it is out there like the air we breathe...better for sure but assuredly not over. Hmmmm state the obvious and somehow you are a part of the problem. Why? I think we know the answer?

Posted by: zemeode | March 17, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

there is only one question to answer....
did Obama passively attend this church for 20 years and not participate as a member of this community? If he did, then he had a direct impact in determining who the pastor was of HIS community. If his choice was not affirmed, he could choose to leave or stay. There is no evidence (that I know of) that he attempted to change the leadership of his community. That implies acceptance. Like it or leave it, that is your choice. He made his, and as all of us come to learn in life, there are consequences for our choices. He is finally paying his for his continued membership in this community.

Posted by: one | March 17, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

By Ricardo Rose

A Constitutional Framework for Good

America is populated by multi-ethnic and cultural groups from all parts of the world. We are a global populace base of diverse cultures that has evolved for the last 40,000 years or more. Too often, frivolous discriminations in gender, race and ethnicity subvert the greatness of America. Enduringly, tolerance of one-another is inevitable! Inclusion is the great objective reality!!!

I often meditate on how routinely we publicize to the world . . . that we are the most powerful nation on earth. A super power! A nation governed by the rule of Law! The most advanced democratic-republic in the known civilized world! And yet so often, we undermine the very core principles of our own democracy that we espouse to the world community, as absolute principles for establishing true freedom, liberty and justice for all. Essentially, whenever contradictions and double-standards arise in our policies and treatment of others, it is viewed as insincere and condescending.

It's no wonder that the de-facto leader of the free world (USA) is impetuously diminishing the value of our esteemed credibility, and respect, at home and abroad. What has happened to our vision of America as the land of compassion, of sharing and of equality before the law? This vision was a "to be goal" to be realized by All! The great democratic experience in our "Constitution" was and is unfolding in the hearts, minds, and souls of men, women and children. Overtime, until the fulfillment of this magnificent vision became realized in an unjust society, the challenge of who would speak for the voiceless still remained? Who would defend the defenseless still remained? Who would speak to the powerful, and yet, possess not power themselves still remained? Well, throughout time, among all people, named and nameless voices did arise to fulfill the need, and they were not of the favored!! And until this very day, they are not the favored!

Bear in mind, a very short time ago, African Americans were slaves and could not vote. It is fair to say that people who were not slaves, did benefit from a sub-human-free labor slave system. And until this very day, a great many of them effortlessly contend that even though slavery was wrong, and inhumane, they felt that shattle slavery was good as compared to elitist governments and their treatment of slaved Africans around the world. And yet, if divine providence were to reverse the roles of the slave and the slave master, surely, a greater sense of justice and fairness would unequivocally give voice and wings to the subjugated!

Generations of freed men and women, during and subsequent to slavery never truly understood the voices and sentiments of slaves and ex-slaves and their ancestors, as they deemed the evils of shattel slavery was so inhumane and generational horrific, that it shall never be repeated in any form, no-where on God's good earth or the universe. To have been a victim of shattel slavery for whatever the cause, is universally evil, and unjust to the entire planet and the universe.

Therefore, any inhumane system conceived, organized or supported by men/women of nations shall objectively aim for higher goals of raising humanity's condition to a most excellent state of existence, and to eradicate world hunger, disease, slavery, intolerance, hatred, greed, divisiveness, corruption and ignorance.
Let's reflect on an unpretentious but very important fact, and that fact is, the world is observing our behavior of-one-another all the time, as we are observing them all the time! You can verily measure how civil and just a people are by the treatment that they tender to their own! Nationwide, the prison population grew by 25,000 last year, bringing it to almost 1.6 million, after three decades of growth that has seen the prison population nearly triple. Another 723,000 people are in local jails. One in 36 adult Hispanic men is behind bars, based on Justice Department figures for 2006. One in 15 adult black men is, too, as is one in nine black men ages 20 to 34.

If there is any one sentence that made America great--as a nation, it is a line from the Preamble to the Constitution of the United States that reads.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

The body of the Constitution sets forth a means by which the various cultures of immigrants could be preserved to meld into a uniquely American culture...one that stubbornly refuses to give precedence to any religion, literature, music, art or social institution from any country of origin of the People of the United States. I read the Constitution of the United States with great pride; the Bill of Rights and the various Amendments to it since 1789 make it a world class document.

It is the Constitution of America which protects and encourages the flowering of individual and groups of people out of whom come the real greatness of America; its rich, enlivening and enjoining music, art, science, drama, cinema, literature, comedy, religion and playtime activities.
That being said, exactly, what makes America Great, and what is the role the USA plays at home and on the world stage? How can we extend a greater understanding as to who we are and what we stand for?

Well, let's reflect on at least one present day dilemma that potentially can be worst, or better; there are 1.5 Billion Muslims in the world. Of which, the overwhelming majority are peaceful and civil. And yes, they are not at war with the USA!! And yet, the media consistently demonizes, well over "1 Billion muslims"!! What ever happened to treating others, as we would have them treat us?? This type of anti-social behavior is very unproductive to international and world relations with diverse cultures, some of which are American citizens.

The question about Senator Obama has been is he a Muslim, yes or no? He's not a muslim, however, what if senator Obama or senator Clinton were, what's the problem? In the make believe world of Hollywood, writers and producers create good and bad guys by the dozens everyday. Good guys and bad guy themes help drive the emotions of the consumer, and the movie industry makes a lot of money. So does the media!! At what expense to American citizen's? Muslims are not an evil to America! Evil is evil, and hurts us all!

The Constitution in clear written language establishes the facts that, stubbornly refuses to give precedence to any religion, literature, music, art or social institution from any country of origin of the People of the United States. The Constitution of America provides that only age and citizenship shall be a test for public office; not wealth, not gender, not race nor yet not ethnic origin.

The Constitution of America protects Americans from the power and purpose of government officials. And yet, politicians, the mass media, the religious community and individuals exploit and abuse these principles of accord. Hopefully, with such potential greatness from free thinking just and balanced minds, we should all affirm our allegiance to the Constitution of the USA and not to our own demise!

Senator Barack Obama taught Constitutional Law, and verily, it is a part of his being. We all have very good reason for electing this highly qualified leader to preside as President of the United States. Consider the fact that he will be leading with the strength and insight of our Constitution. This perfect document is waiting for the right leader to be guided by its principles. Finally these invaluable principles can help create a perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity. This country will be well served with Senator Obama's leadership as a proverbial walking constitution.


Posted by: ricardo_rose | March 17, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

the us did bomb nagasaki.
hirsoshima.
supported apartheid.
are these lies?
smallpox in blankets to native americans.
slavery.
segregation.
the tuskegee experiment.
vietnam
the contras

america does some wicked stuff.
is this guy lying?
i think it is the tone that gets people upset.
some of it is not proven, but much of what he said is true.
anyone want to challenge that the us is the only nation to use nuclear weapons? i know, they were trying to stop the war. i have heard that before. he should not have "damned" anyone in my view but people should know, MLK Jr. isn't everyone's role model in black america.

Posted by: isometruman | March 17, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse


Mr. Obama is a snake charmer - no, he's the snake.

NAFTA wink-wink LIAR

Rezko bank roller 125K, 150K, now $250,000 - LIAR

Afghanistan braggart, "too busy" not one meeting - LIAR

Twenty years in church - wasn't listening - LIAR

Kitchen sink wah wah - his own dishes!! - LIAR

Iraq pull out, European wink wink interview with Powers - LIAR

Black in South Carolina, White in Kansas - LIAR

Deval Patrick's speech word for word - LIAR

Martin Luther King, JFK, Jefferson, RFK - steals words - LIAR

CAUGHT IN ALL THESE LIES AND STILL DENIES !!


This man is a pathological LIAR !

Arrived with no resume. Refused to answer questions until he had delegates in his bag. LIAR and a CHEAT

Says he is DIFFERENT but surrounds himself with old boy democratic TROLLS.

Hoodwinker. Here are his best references:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU


UNQUALIFIED SNAKE CHARMER NOMINEE = PRESIDENT JOHN McCAIN

Rove can't wait.

Posted by: Thinker | March 17, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

obama is a multi-racial, multi cultural person raised largely by a loving white mother and loving white grandparents. any suggestion he has a problem with whites is silly. his attraction to rev white and his church was probably a way to connect to the black community who quite honestly had a different perspective from his own upbringing.
there is no question that rev wright's comments were wild and over the top, and obama was right to step away from those comments. but is important to take them w/ a grain of salt. rev white is a vet who served the country, and not unpatriotic or hateful. what rev white was doing is a tradition in the black church of social commentary and venting ( blowing off steam at the same time). it might be abrupt to some in style- but seriously it's nothing to be concerned about. blacks after all have fought for the right to fight and die for the country,and civil rights. rev wright is from that tradition. so again it's important to take the statements with a grain of salt. obama, however is right to step away from those statements, because some will be offended by them. what he or the church should do is list the their community accomplishments, partnerships in multi-faith initiatives, and sermons showing wright at his rhetorical best. i have faith that americans are practical enough to realize that obama is existentially and all manners post-racial and a superior leader for our new challenges as a nation.

Posted by: jacade | March 17, 2008 2:53 AM | Report abuse

This Wright-thing unmasks Obama. He can use beautiful words but people won't believe in him. What a shame he is.

Posted by: chienannahou | March 16, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

People should understand there's a difference between a Man called from God to deliver his word and a pompous motivational speaker. Most so-called preachers are just pulpit-hoggers using the people's need for divine inspiration to serve their own ego. Mr. Obama could have wanted the spirital aspect of the Church, itself, not the rantings of the preacher. My mom "made" me attend Church every Sunday to listen to a preacher who had a great spirital message, but he was a womanizer. He talked about things that just shouldn't be talked about in the pew. I weeded all of that stuff out and just took away from his sermon the word of God. The fair test for anyone who wants to Guilt Obama by Association with the preacher is to look at Obama the man, the individual person and say "Have I heard Obama parrot anything close to what that preacher has said?" The answer is N-O. NO! No way is Obama like that preacher. Obama is not loud and screaming hate. Obama is peaceful and has a whole different demeanor. I have studied Obama. I have watched and waited for any slip-up. I refuse to allow "ANY" candidate to BS me. This man is human. He falls down. He makes mistakes just like the rest of us. I want a real person for president; not a perfect little porcelain doll or a president sooo detached from his country that he doesn't know that gas is $4 (or higher) a gallon. If Obama is going to get the GBA arrow shot at him, then Clinton is the biggest racist for her friendship with Ferraro and she has to be a rapist for being married to Billy. Obama has said that he DOES NOT argree with the "foolish" things that the preacher said. Some of the preacher's rants are understandable; from the point of an angry man, but the pulpit is not the place to spout his hurt. Obama has denounced this man's rants and that is good enough. Unless someone shows that Obama wrote those sermons or shows where he has parroted the preachers personal beliefs (not the word of God), he should not have to defend -one more day- his association with that Church. I personally saw some people looking very embarrassed in that Church. The people clapping probably didn't even know what the preacher said! Most people are so into the spirit of the sermon that they aren't aware when the preacher has gone off course into a rant. What would you do? Sit there and just hope that he gets back to The Word? or storm off? I've sat through many sermons scratching my head as to why the preacher was saying what he was saying, but I never left. Obama has said he wasn't even there when the preacher had those rants. Who's to say what Obama should have done? Why is Obama taking an a@@ kicking for someone else? Wright isn't running for president; just like Billy isn't running. Fair is Fair. There are some foolish men who can say good inspirtional things and there are some good men who can say some foolish things! Fair and balance is the only way to deal with any situation. The Obama drama is just corny media stuff! "REAL" people have enough sense not to ruin a man for the words of an other. Clinton can't become the beneficiary of this through votes. Disagreement does not transform into votes. Hilly has gotten too many votes she hasn't deserved from such knee-jerk reactions.

The goal is to get the Democratic Party united and healthy. There will not be a Clinton on the ticket. That era is over! Hail to November 4, 2008!

Posted by: livefreeor | March 16, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"I'm not black, but there's whole lots of times I wish I was not white." --Frank Zappa.
I'm not black, and I don't support any of the three candidates. I also don't see anything wrong with what the good Reverend said. You just have to look at the Constitution to see how the country was founded on slavery. You can look at the date of the Equal Housing Act to see that the country continued to be run in the same way (or you could look at the pictures of lynched black people hanging from trees).
We all know they crucified John Lennon for saying that the Beatles were bigger than Jesus. One could go to any church in the U.K. and see that that was true. If Rev. Wright wants to believe in white supremacy and black inferiority as being the motivating force in the running of this country, I can hardly challenge his statement, coming from his perspective. Racism certainly won out over the Constitution for years on end. The effects of that are still with us. "God Damn America?" Bitter, but our AMERICAN CONSTITUTION allows us to say such openly, and without being penalized. One would never accuse Rev. Wright of not sticking up for people of his race. The folks who run around criticizing such statements have NEVER been to jail for being a minority, or their own political remarks. This country made dissidents out of an entire race for no reason that any of those dissidents could do anything about. People who criticize the Rev. ought to walk a mile in his shoes. They would say the same thing.
I'd like to say one other thing: does your preacher speak for you? Do you agree with everything he says? I would be careful about atrributing statements made by someone else to any candidate. Religion and Politics are two clear different things in this country, and we should be thankful for that. That's called "Guilt By Association" and we shouldn't convict Obama any more than we would convict on the basis of McCarthyist tactics.
Mindless Americanism is not Americanism at all. Our CONSTITUTION allows us to criticize: its how we make our nation better. Rev. Wright's part of the nation needs more than words, and more than just "programs", and Urban Renewal. It needs to be allowed to criticize, even if the criticism hurts sometimes.
Some countries elect people who DO go to jail for their beliefs. America is not a nation with such courage, except in the blacker places in the country. With all the problems and the terrible leadership we have had recently, it is time we listened to, and respected, critics who respond with something less than lollipops. We need more than feelgood to solve this country's problems.

Posted by: bong_jamesbong2001 | March 16, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

SENATOR Obama does not live in the real world
what is he thinking u can't lie again and again he knows that if u attends the services
for 20 years and he used the same vile to run
for state service he knew the remarks and
he should withdraw from the race

Posted by: lorenamireyazamora | March 16, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama may denounce, discard, or even burn in a bonfire the hate rhetoric tailored by Rev Jeremiah Wright, the acknowledged spiritual guide of Mr. Obama, like some old clothes that do not serve his purpose any longer, but he cannot alter, hide, or erase the fact that he had worn the undergarment for 20 years in apparent comfort until the world finally noticed it.

As Mr. Obama's lofty rhetoric of racial harmony and unity begins to crumble into the shape of a rhetorical artifice to snare the naïve and the gullible to propel him into the job of his lifelong ambition, we find the man of "change" listening surreptitiously to the sound of a different drum--a thundering sound of hate and discord, far removed from the call for racial harmony and unity. We must then ask ourselves, in spite of Mr. Obama's vehement and categorical castigation of "some" of the Rev Wright's hate speech, if the man who has been inhaling such noxious and corrosive fumes for the past 20 years can be cleansed in short order to be entrusted the highest office in the land, nay, the world.

Let us be realistic of one thing: the issue of Mr. Obama's 20-year association with Rev. Wright, whose toxic brew of inflammatory, anti-American, anti-white tirade has been well known for a couple decades (but oddly not to Mr. Obama by his own account), may abate, but it will not go away and is sure to return with force and fury that will sink a swift ocean liner.

Indeed, it is likely to become the most heated singular issue that would beset Mr. Obama challenging his patriotism if he were the Democratic nominee opposing John McCain, a man of impeccable patriotism. The appeal to the American people to stick to the "issues," the Obama camp's trump card, will not do since patriotism is an immensely important issue to most Americans. Worse, as he tries to extricate himself from this fatal error of association, the extrication itself will beget more elaborate and equally dubious explanations, thus damaging his credibility further.

Realistically, one cannot credibly argue, even if he is a top-notch lawyer like Barack Obama, to be a member of a church, located a short driving distance away from where he lived for most of the 20 years he had been a member, actively assisting its proselytizing efforts with large financial contributions (to the tune of $22,500 in 2006 alone), by professing not to know what the church's pastor had been saying much of the time, unless Mr. Obama claims that Rev Wright customized his sermons on the days Mr. Obama was in attendance ("Oh, Barack is in the pews, I'd better not give out this brew today"). Otherwise, this is outright fraud, or to be more charitable, an attempt at such; an attempt no less phony than a man who lived next to an active railroad track for 20 years claiming to have heard no trains passing by. The guilt by association? Absolutely; the trains went by him every day.

The truth of the matter is that Mr. Obama himself calls Rev Wright "crazy uncle," indicating his knowledge of the pastor Jeremiah's "crazy," lunatic preaching, yet, in spite of his claim to a superior capacity for judgment fit for a US president, he failed to foresee the danger of being anywhere near an anti-American lunatic asylum, much less supporting it with contributions, knowing fully well that the director of the asylum was a lunatic himself. Poor judgment does not even begin to explain Mr. Obama's inexcusable failure of 20 years to uphold American ideals in deed that he is so well disposed in word; and if that were to be his explanation then the fact of it would disqualify him to be the next president of the US.

It ought to be clear, in spite of Obama supporters' attempts to control the damage, that Mr. Obama's credibility has been irreparably harmed, not merely by his association with Rev Wright but through his questionable attempts at extrication, as he cannot convincingly erase his 20 years of commitment to an organization whose propositions are clearly at odds with Mr. Obama's claims of what America should be with an abrupt public denunciation that was forced upon him by public outrage--hardly a sign of a scrupulous mind.

The anti-Americanism of Mr. Obama's mentor, Jeremiah Wright, possesses a potent power that will surely undermine Obama candidacy in the general election. Thus, the concerned Americans, particularly the Democrats, are urged to press Mr. Obama to withdraw his candidacy from the Democratic presidential nomination race as his candidacy has been fatally compromised, far more so than John Kerry's ill-fated 2004 presidential bid. If he were a white candidate who had kept a membership in a white church equally obsessed with racial consciousness and acrimony as Mr. Obama's church, he would have certainly been asked to withdraw. Failing such, the Democrats will ensure another defeat at a presidential election. Mr. Obama must go.

Posted by: GeorgePS | March 16, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Between Rezko and his church there is no way Obama can win in the general election. It's time to support Clinton. She is strong and viable. Let's do what's right before it's too late.

Posted by: TALVES | March 16, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Dear Umbria,

You raise understandable concerns. Nonetheless, I remain a staunch supporter of Obama, and here's some reasons why.

1. Fact: Trinity church is one of Chicago's largest and most prominent churches.

A church doesn't reach that stature with continual sermons of "hate," and it's highly improbable that the huge congregation comprises racists. Clearly then, Wright preached about issues of faith more than he did hate. Indeed, the sermons in question (which you admit are only "several") are the exception, not the rule.

2. Fact: Others have preached with words of hate, including Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell ~ two people who highly influenced the conservative "Christian" thinking that elected Bush.

Indeed, when Falwell died, Bush declared a national day of mourning(!) and called him a "a man who cherished faith, family, and freedom." Yet here's Falwell's preaching about 9/11: "I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians ... all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say: you helped this happen.

As for McCain taking his family to Falwell's church, there's a perfect example in John Hagee. He's a staunch McCain-supporter, who claims that American foreign policy towards Palestine is causing God to attack the United States with terrorists.

McCain has refused to reject Hagee's support, saying, "I think it's important to note that pastor John Hagee who has supported and endorsed my candidacy supports what I stand for and believe in. When he endorses me, it does not mean that I embrace everything that he stands for and believes. And I am very proud of the Pastor John Hagee's spiritual leadership to thousands of people and I am proud of his commitment to the independence and the freedom of the state of Israel. That does not mean that I support or endorse or agree with some of the things that Pastor John Hagee might have said or positions that he may have taken on other issues. I don't have to agree with everyone who endorses my candidacy. They are supporting my candidacy. I am not endorsing some of their positions."

(The Huffington Post summarizes Hagee's preachings quite well. You can read more at
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/29/john-hagees-mccain-endor_n_89189.html )


3. Fact: The media's focus on Hagee/McCain is disproportionately low compared to the coverage of Wright/Obama and Farrakhan/Obama.
Indeed, the mainstream media have never truly scrutinized Hagee, and major politicians ~ including Joe Lieberman as well as McCain ~ have freely associated with him.

Is the fixation on this Wright issue truly warranted or just another manipulation by the media?

4. Fact: As you say, the title of Obama's book "Audacity of Hope" is from the Pastor's sermon. And it's a truly beautiful sermon. I strongly urge you to read it, and you can find it here: http://www.preachingtoday.com/sermons/sermons/audacityofhope.html


5. Fact: It is very clear that your biggest concern is the 20 years that Obama has known and associated with Wright, which leads to your quandary about Obama's judgment.


The truth is that Wright indeed "had a profound influence over Obama in the 1990s, when his faith was reaffirmed."

First and foremost, Wright helped Obama reaffirm his faith. Now anyone who truly seeks faith is going to question it at times. It's only logical, therefore, that Obama went to his preacher for guidance. It is not logical to assume that those discussions were indoctrinations of hate toward white people and this country. If they had been, I have no doubt that Obama would have distanced himself from the preacher. I say trust your first and long-held instincts about Obama's character. The presence of evil and deception can be felt and heard, and millions of people can't all be wrong in their instincts about him.

Second, the close affiliation with Wright occurred in the 90s. What hasn't been covered in the news is when Wright's comments were made. It is well within reason that Obama never actually heard them. I admit, however, that it's hard to believe he didn't know about them.

Still, that makes Obama the kind of friend I'd like to have. He has said that Wright was "like an old uncle who sometimes will say things that I don't agree with." Would you prefer that he disparage those who love him? Would you cast judgment on a friend who has helped you through soul-searching times?

When you love someone, you can let them have their opinions and faults even though you don't agree with or condone them. How else do Democrat-Republican marriages survive? How else do people reconcile with parents they have serious issues with?


I think Obama's lack of judgment of Wright reveals his good heart. He has abided by the Golden Rule "to do unto others what you would have done to you." He has refrained from casting stones.
He has taken to heart the Christly tenants of love and acceptance. In short, he has exercised good judgment by not sitting in judgment ~ a right that countless Christians should remember belongs only to God.

Finally, Obama said he first learned of Wright's controversial statements at the start of his campaign. Wright was to give a public invocation when Obama launched his presidential bid. But to impose some distance, Wright's appearance was canceled. Obama has also said that he rejects Wright's statements. And he has rejected and denounced Farrakhan's statements as well.

That's way more than Bush and McCain have done. And still people and the media want more skin from Obama's hide. When will hate stop ruling this country?

Posted by: lindakinne | March 16, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Dear Umbria,

You raise understandable concerns. Nonetheless, I remain a staunch supporter of Obama, and here's some reasons why.

1. Fact: Trinity church is one of Chicago's largest and most prominent churches.

A church doesn't reach that stature with continual sermons of "hate," and it's highly improbable that the huge congregation comprises racists. Clearly then, Wright preached about issues of faith more than he did hate. Indeed, the sermons in question (which you admit are only "several") are the exception, not the rule.

2. Fact: Others have preached with words of hate, including Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell ~ two people who highly influenced the conservative "Christian" thinking that elected Bush.

Indeed, when Falwell died, Bush declared a national day of mourning(!) and called him a "a man who cherished faith, family, and freedom." Yet here's Falwell's preaching about 9/11: "I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians ... all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say: you helped this happen.

As for McCain taking his family to Falwell's church, there's a perfect example in John Hagee. He's a staunch McCain-supporter, who claims that American foreign policy towards Palestine is causing God to attack the United States with terrorists.

McCain has refused to reject Hagee's support, saying, "I think it's important to note that pastor John Hagee who has supported and endorsed my candidacy supports what I stand for and believe in. When he endorses me, it does not mean that I embrace everything that he stands for and believes. And I am very proud of the Pastor John Hagee's spiritual leadership to thousands of people and I am proud of his commitment to the independence and the freedom of the state of Israel. That does not mean that I support or endorse or agree with some of the things that Pastor John Hagee might have said or positions that he may have taken on other issues. I don't have to agree with everyone who endorses my candidacy. They are supporting my candidacy. I am not endorsing some of their positions."

(The Huffington Post summarizes Hagee's preachings quite well. You can read more at
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/29/john-hagees-mccain-endor_n_89189.html )


3. Fact: The media's focus on Hagee/McCain is disproportionately low compared to the coverage of Wright/Obama and Farrakhan/Obama.
Indeed, the mainstream media have never truly scrutinized Hagee, and major politicians ~ including Joe Lieberman as well as McCain ~ have freely associated with him.

Is the fixation on this Wright issue truly warranted or just another manipulation by the media?

4. Fact: As you say, the title of Obama's book "Audacity of Hope" is from the Pastor's sermon. And it's a truly beautiful sermon. I strongly urge you to read it, and you can find it here: http://www.preachingtoday.com/sermons/sermons/audacityofhope.html


5. Fact: It is very clear that your biggest concern is the 20 years that Obama has known and associated with Wright, which leads to your quandary about Obama's judgment.


The truth is that Wright indeed "had a profound influence over Obama in the 1990s, when his faith was reaffirmed."

First and foremost, Wright helped Obama reaffirm his faith. Now anyone who truly seeks faith is going to question it at times. It's only logical, therefore, that Obama went to his preacher for guidance. It is not logical to assume that those discussions were indoctrinations of hate toward white people and this country. If they had been, I have no doubt that Obama would have distanced himself from the preacher. I say trust your first and long-held instincts about Obama's character. The presence of evil and deception can be felt and heard, and millions of people can't all be wrong in their instincts about him.

Second, the close affiliation with Wright occurred in the 90s. What hasn't been covered in the news is when Wright's comments were made. It is well within reason that Obama never actually heard them. I admit, however, that it's hard to believe he didn't know about them.

Still, that makes Obama the kind of friend I'd like to have. He has said that Wright was "like an old uncle who sometimes will say things that I don't agree with." Would you prefer that he disparage those who love him? Would you cast judgment on a friend who has helped you through soul-searching times?

When you love someone, you can let them have their opinions and faults even though you don't agree with or condone them. How else do Democrat-Republican marriages survive? How else do people reconcile with parents they have serious issues with?


I think Obama's lack of judgment of Wright reveals his good heart. He has abided by the Golden Rule "to do unto others what you would have done to you." He has refrained from casting stones.
He has taken to heart the Christly tenants of love and acceptance. In short, he has exercised good judgment by not sitting in judgment ~ a right that countless Christians should remember belongs only to God.

Finally, Obama said he first learned of Wright's controversial statements at the start of his campaign. Wright was to give a public invocation when Obama launched his presidential bid. But to impose some distance, Wright's appearance was canceled. Obama has also said that he rejects Wright's statements. And he has rejected and denounced Farrakhan's statements as well.

That's way more than Bush and McCain have done. And still people and the media want more skin from Obama's hide. When will hate stop ruling this country?

Posted by: lindakinne | March 16, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Dear America,

Forget Pastor Wright.

As a U.K. citizen looking in on this election campaign from the outside I must applaude Senator Obama as both a human being and a man of his word.

Senator Obama has clearly demonstrated an incredible level of restraint, despite the lowest form of political mud-slinging and provocation resorted to by the Clinton campaign.

A level of restraint that would be required daily, by the next President of the United States, the leader of the free world.

I would suggest to the broader American public, and particularily to those States still to vote for their preferred Democratic nominee (Pennsylvania included), that such restraint should never, EVER, be seen as a sign of weakness. This IS strength.

This is a MAN of strength. Senator Barack Obama is a MAN of strength. Senator Barack Obama is a Christian MAN of strength. Senator Barack Obama is an AMERICAN CHRISTIAN MAN of Strength.

I WOULD TRUST SENATOR BARACK OBAMA WITH THE CARE OF MY CHILDREN.

I WOULDN'T TRUST MRS HILLARY CLINTON WITH THE T.V. REMOTE CONTROL, NEVER MIND ANSWERING THE PRESIDENTIAL TELEPHONE AT 3 AM.

The restraint shown by Senator Obama recently, in the face of outright lies and misleading remarks, is indeed the sign of an intelligent, considerate leader, concerned with making the RIGHT decision, and not simply just 'a' decision.

Poor decision making at Presidential level by George W Bush (gun holder) and Mrs Hillary Clinton (supplier of bullets for that gun in 2002) has led to the catastrophe for Americans' that is Iraq.

1. Thousands of brave American lives lost. For what?

2. America,'the home of the brave', relentlessly bombing some of the poorest children in the world from the safety of 50,000 feet. For what?

3. Trillions of American Dollars spent funding No's 1 and 2. Dollars that could have been spent on such lofty ideals as free Health Care for every single American and investment in American communities to create jobs for American citizens. For what?

George W Bush has presided over the horror show that is Iraq.

MRS HILLARY CLINTON FULLY SANCTIONED THIS HORROR SHOW WITH HER INABILITY TO MAKE THE CORRECT DECISION ON IRAQ IN 2002.

Mrs Hillary Clinton's actions FAILED AMERICA , FAILED THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, and FAILED THE WORLD on an unimaginable scale and at a time when it mattered the most. With the blood of those brave soldiers and those children on her hands, can she be trusted? Can she?

I THINK NOT!

The United States' ability to restore itself to former glories must surely rest on the broad, restrained, articulate, considerate, common sense shoulders of Senator Barack Obama.

Mrs Hillary Clinton displayed so much personal weakness and failure on matters of integrity during the Texas and Ohio campaigns that she must surely never be trusted.

Why did she allow her campaign to trot out 'that picture' of Senator Obama?

She is weak, and rested her political fortune and reputation, with that of white supremacists pandering to the lowest common denominator.

SHAME ON MRS HILLARY CLINTON! SHE SHAMED HERSELF, AMERICA, AND HUMANITY BY STOOPING TO THAT INCREDIBLE LOW.

You can only blame so much on a shambolic campaign strategy team.

Mrs Hillary Clinton must accept personal responsibility for the worst example of fear mongering and subliminal racism I have seen in my entire adult life. It was disgusting.

This fear mongering and subliminal racism was designed, constructed and deployed via the media by Mrs Hillary Clinton's campaign to manipulate the free thinking minds of the American public. I know it, YOU know it, and they including Mrs Hillary Clinton KNEW it!

(Even I can see that from here in Scotland, thousands of miles away)

Have the Mrs Hillary Clinton campaign team really resorted to such lows as doubting Senator Obama's devotion to the Christian Church, in order to 'win' some votes?

YES THEY HAVE. SHAME ON THEM, AND HER.

Mrs Hillary Clintons' failure to confirm this unequivocal fact is abhorrent at best.

Have they assessed (wrongly I hope), that the majority of Americans believe the Fox 'News' channel is fact?

IT WOULD APPEAR SO.

If this is how Mrs Hillary Clinton reacts, responds and decides at a time when her own political future is at stake, what DISASTROUS decisions will she make and sanction if she ever becomes occupier of The Whitehouse?

AMERICA!

I believe in freedom, real freedom.

Your country is being scared to death by sections of your media.

MRS HILLARY CLINTON IS TRYING TO SCARE YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN.

Don't succumb to that fear.

You are braver than that.

YOUR COUNTRY DESERVES MORE.

YOUR COUNTRY DESERVES THE OUSTANDING NOMINEE THAT IS SENATOR BARACK OBAMA.

YOU'RE LUCKY TO HAVE HIM.

EMBRACE HIM AS A NATION, SIT BACK AND WATCH YOUR COUNTRY FLY.

yours truly

j.dreczkowski@hotmail.co.uk

Posted by: j.dreczkowski | March 16, 2008 5:16 AM | Report abuse

Not only Obama should apologize to America for misleading and creating a divisive party, he needs to drop out of the presidential race as well resigns from the Senate. There is no room for a public official to have a mentor who preaches this deep hatred for America.

Posted by: cybervote | March 16, 2008 2:25 AM | Report abuse

Although what Rev. Jeremiah Wright is preaching might hurt Sen. Barack Obama, because it does not go along with Obama's message of unifying the nation. Still, some what the Rev. is saying is the truth. And we American don't like to be reminded to hear the truth. We like to remember the good things about our country. However, if we want to learn from our mistakes and remember the past, even if the past is not always pleasant or excused by others, we will make this mistakes over and over again.

Posted by: peter138 | March 16, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

hgogo said - "Before the Damn Gate event, I didn't know blacks hate America so much."

Be real. They're just returning the favor, and you know it.

Posted by: treetopflyer | March 15, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Yes, but does he condemn, reject, repudiate, scoff at, denounce and take personal responsibility for them as though he made them himself? Does he not only denounce his pastor, but disown him, cut him off, actively loathe, and pray fervently every waking moment for him to be sent to hell? Does he carry a sheaf of his photos so he can spit on them and rip them up? Does he rend his garments, fall to his knees and, bewailing his spiritual poverty, confess his sins in the public square? Is he broken in body, mind and spirit, ready to be remolded into the perfect form of self-abnegation??? Does he hate himself more than we hate him ourselves, and is he ready to thank the court for bringing him to justice?!?! WILL HE FIND HIMSELF ALONE IN A DREARY RESTAURANT, DRINKING OILY VICTORY GIN, LOVING BIG BROTHER, A GOODTHINKFUL CITIZEN OF OCEANIA GRATEFUL FO THE DEATH OF HIS SOUL?????!!!!

Won't do any good; we still won't forgive him.

Posted by: treetopflyer | March 15, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Hypothetical Question: What do you think would be the reaction be if it were suddenly discovered that Hillary Clinton's mentor, spritual advisor and pastor, and intimate associate of the past twenty years, WHOM SHE STILL REFUSES TO REPUDIATE, is an avowed member of the Ku Klux Klan?

Answer: She would be finished - immediately and forever. But the media still somehow blindly gives Obama the "benefit of the doubt". Truly unbelievable. And you fools want to trust our families and our country to this guy? Unbelievable.

Posted by: jhncrsp | March 15, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

It is extremely difficult to believe that person like Sen. Obama who is very intelligent, highly educated and running for the highest office in the world - PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA couldn't judge his pastor for 20 (twenty) years, considered him has his mentor, someone who married him and his wife and baptized his daughters, privately prayed before announcing candidacy, was almost like a father. My wife and I supported Sen. Obama and now we're really really really disappointed by his judgment, we've lost our faith in any candidate.

Posted by: whocarestoyo | March 15, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

because the congregation was seen dancing,laughing and in general agreeing with all that Pastor Wright said,I think Obama's run for the white house is over.....the hate and the agreement,will be taken very badly by those that vote,i wouldnt be surprised if hillary wins every state from here and gets all the big boys votes at the convention....i will still vote for OBAMA but fox runs the speech every hour,it wont go away,many that were going to vote wont now...but those of us that know OBAMA to be a good man and the best person for the job,could turn this tide if we dont talk anymore about it,support him with cash,and point to what bush has done and that mccain is a CLONE,WE MAY PULL IT OFF YET

Posted by: rd1064 | March 15, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Before the Damn Gate event, I didn't know blacks hate America so much. It's like an eye opener. Since it is a view shared by almost 100% black churches throughout the country (according to a black FoxNews guest), it explains the overwhelming anti-socieity tendency of the black community.

Posted by: hgogo | March 15, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Correction: the article title should read "Obama Condemns Pastor's RACIST Remarks". After all we apply the label to one, we must apply it fairly to all. Don't want to appear RACIST, right?

Posted by: historicbruno | March 15, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

The pink elephant that wanders the room, however, is that because the Obama campaign, rightfully, will not lower itself to the garbage flinging attacks by both the Clinton campaign and the conservative Republicans some Obama supporters may feel they need to fill in the gap with attacks of their own where the official campaign does not choose to do so. It is a temptation many of us have had and we applaud Senator Obama for raising us all out of that mire.

Posted by: bobcampbell | March 15, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I HOPE PEOPLE WAKE UP AND SEE THIS "CHANGE" THAT BARACK IS TALKING
ABOUT. AS A BLACK FEMALE I DONT EVEN WANT TO VOTE FOR BARACK, I THINK
HE IS TWO FACED AND CATERS TO WHOEVER HE IS SPEAKING TO AT THAT TIME.
BLACK PEOPLE BETTER WAKE UP AND GET A CLUE IF THEY THINK THAT BY
VOTING BARACK IN, THE WHITE HOUSE WILL BE ALL BLACK AND THEN THEY CAN
HOLD THEIR BLACK MILLION MAN MARCH BLAH BLAH BLAH. BLACKS ARE NOT THE
ONLY RACE IN AMERICA. BARACK SPEAKS ON ALL THIS CHANGE BUT CAN
SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME "WHAT THIS CHANGE CONSISTS OF?" PEOPLE BETTER
START DRILLING HIM ON TRUE ANSWERS. HE'S RIDING OFF IN THE SUNSET
WITH THIS "CHANGE" SLOGAN AND THEN PEOPLE WILL COMPLAIN LATER WHEN
THE ACTUAL CHANGE TAKES PLACE. YOU BETTER FIND OUT WHERE HE PLANS ON
GETTING ALL THIS MONEY TO FIX THE DEFICIT AND BRING THE TROOPS HOME,
AND CREATE JOBS AND FIX THE ECONOMY AND HEALTH CARE BEFORE YOU JUST
RELY ON THIS "CHANGE". ONCE HE TAKES AWAYS PROGRAMS THAT WE NEED AND
CREATES MORE TAXES TO ACCOMPLISH "THIS CHANGE" I THINK PEOPLE WILL
FEEL STUPID. HILARY HAS MORE DEFINITE PLANS, SHE HAS MORE EXPERIENCE,
SHE'S BLUNT AND TO THE POINT INSTEAD OF CRAZY PROMISES. PLEASE WAKE UP
PEOPLE. WHERES AL SHARPTON AND THE NAACP NOW TO RALLY AGAINST THESE HORRIBLE
STATEMENTS MADE BY WRIGHT?? ITS FUNNY HOW BLACK PEOPLE PLAY GHOST
ONCE THEY RUN OFF AT THE MOUTH AND OFFEND PEOPLE BUT IF ANYONE OF A
DIFFERENT RACE MAKES STATEMENTS THEY WANT AN APOLOGY AND WANT THEM
CRUCIFIED. I WOULD THINK THEY WOULD WANT WRIGHTS CHURCH TO BE SHUT
DOWN. AND I AM BLACK MYSELF AND HIS COMMENTS SOUNDED CRAZY.


Posted by: xiomaraxxxx | March 15, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

bluedoggiedemocrat-While you are correct about every Latin American Country getting at least one Illegal in, over 90% are Guatemalan, Salvadoran, or Honduran. Mexicans are already flooding in big time legally. This is due to our Nutso Worker Visas, and the Familia re-unificado priority system the Insane Immigrations clowns have allowed! Seems the Millions that were Legalized in the First incredibly stupid Amnesty, were All related to all the remaining Mexicans. NOW, they are appealing to be reunified with the ones who don't want to stay!

Another Amnesty for the current Invaders? Say hello to the rest of the States Bordering Mexico-Then...(System continues South until Penguins are sneaking in!)...

Then, you are right about "Hispanic" not being accurate. AMERINDIAN is the better term!

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

If the witch hunt keeps up, pretty soon each Dem campaign will have only Michelle and Bill left for Obama and Hillary, respectively.

This is terrific for McCain.
I will say thanks for him.

Posted by: dummy4peace | March 15, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

This guy Wright quit his job for Obama, now comes the shiv. New politics? Obama travels more than 45 blocks especially to hear him. Wright's "sermons" are notorious here for his nutcase remarks. These remarks are not "cherry-picking"; they are the norm.

Quit lying Obama. Groupies, quit deluding yourselves.

I trust the IRS will be successful in removing this "church"'s tax-exempt status.

Why are the media just now reporting what has been lying in plain sight all during Obamania? While they were fixing his pillows for him, they were paving the way for Clinton to lose and McCain to win.

Posted by: Chicago1 | March 15, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Well a good point made by a pro-Obama poster that you have to be aware of these problems before you can fix them and Obama has ingratiated himself with this church and this pastor.

Its a pretty good argument for Obama except for two things:

1. After 20 years Obama has had no impact on Rev. Wright to heal his pain or his white hatred; and,

2. Obama has claimed ignorance. He says that he never knew that Rev Wright harbored such ideas, much less ever expressed them from his pulpit. Obama said he never heard them.

Well let's see, Obama said that he never talked to the Canadian Ambassador either to assure the Canadians that his NAFTA schtik was just campaign BS.

True, Obama did not talk to the Ambassador. Obama's chief economic advisor talked to the Canadian Consul.

So now Obama never heard Wright God Dam America from the pulpit, lets see that means that Michelle Obama could have, or his kids, or maybe Obama stepped out to the bathroom when Wright preached this sermon.

I remember Iran - Contra when Bush Senior was charged with being aware of Oliver North's comments with regard to his efforts to operate the Contra's in an off the shelf operation. George Bush I's response, "I do not remember that, I must have stepped out to the bathroom when Ollie said that."

Sorry folks, these excuses are pure BS. The snake oil salesman caught with his hand in the snake oil and he is like John Luvitts trying to sell something, anything that gullible people wanting to believe him can believe.

You could almost see the hatred coming from his campaign. Never from the Candidate, who has been the Prophet of Unity, but always from the people around him and you had to wonder what the source of the disconnect has been between the Candidate and his Operation.

Now it is becoming clear that this Wright fellow is near the core of the essence of Obama.

It is not the same as McCain and his preacher. Obama did not have a strong male figure in his life when he was growing up. His mother married men who did not hang around. So Obama was raised by a White Grandfather who apparently had no idea of what it was like to be Black and then Rev. Wright for the past 20 years. Obama is only 47 years old, so Wright has been an influence on Obama since he was 17 years old, that is, for Obama's entire adult life.

We are to now believe that Obama, having known, admired and considered this man his spiritual mentor from age 17 is a person that he repudiates, whose ideas Obama repudiates??

Ochem's Razor says that the simplest explanation of any unknown issue is usually the correct explanation.

It is more intellectually honest to say that these two share many of the same beliefs and ideas. It is also intellectually honest to believe that the influence of the older man on the young man who was in need of direction was strong and enduring.

It is to deny reality to come to the conclusion that the spiritual mentor's strongly held ideas did not find a home in the soul of the younger man who was molded by the older very persuasive man.

This is why this story is important. Obama is such a blank slate and we are being asked to put this man into the office of the Presidency. We all need to know who and what he is.

His apologist explain this as part of the African American experience. But I know many Black ministers who would never say these things because they do not believe these things. Even Chris Matthews, a guy with a man-crush on Obama had a Black preacher on who said that this is outside the mainstream of Black churches and the Black message from the Gospel.

I have been in many Black Churches in the inner city and the message is uniformally one of building up the individual, encouragement that he or she is important in God's eyes and to move forward by loving each other.

This guy is preaching excuses. Blacks are not moving because of White Devils and the implication is to hate White Devils. That is out there on the fringe, not mainstream in the Black commmunity.

And that is where Obama is too.

And does anyone think that the Republicans will not play this? Does anyone think that the Republicans will not ask us to consider what it will be like to have Rev. Jeremiah Wright giving the invocation at the Barak Obama Inaugeration?

What will happen down ticket to have Obama and his judgment at the top of our ticket. The guy whose preacher yells "God Dam America" and blames us for 9/11 to lead us from the White House to the Courthouse in the Fall?

It will be a Red Massacre.

Obama can say that he repudiates the comments, but that leaves the 3000 pound elephant in the middle of the room -- Why did he wait until his campaign was put into jeopardy before doing so, if he really does repudiate the sentiments expressed?

We are left with the conclusion that either Obama is very insincere with this, that he is ignorant of what is going on in his own church and with his spiritual mentor, or that his judgment is so poor that he could not see this coming, or a combination of all of the above.

Do we want that person in the Oval Office making Presidential Decisions??

Posted by: pkmc83a | March 15, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Saturday, March 16, 08.

Barack WHO? ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

It's beginning to look as though America will continue to be run by rich white people, that there will be no changes in the foreign policies that inspired a bunch of Saudi fanatics to kill thousands of us, that we will have two deeply flawed major party candidates who have never been called [N-word]s, and that a large segment of the electorate may have valid cause to sing "G-D America".

White critics of Rev. Wright are doing so based on a lack of knowledge of the black church as an institution and an inherent inability to understand or identify with Black Liberation theology. They are projecting their own view of what religion is or should be on a group of people who have a different perspective. They are doing so based on a few minutes of collected snippets from hundreds of sermons over many years, spliced together and promoted for maximum misleading effect by certain media at the urging of rich white people.

I am a middle-aged white Southerner who would like to vote for Barack Hussein Obama in November, but the corporate powers that be are apparently determined to deny me that opportunity.

Posted by: flarrfan | March 15, 2008 7:20 AM | Report abuse

crozetproject :

Oh I see...he's this relentlessly positive because he's actually so full of hate, he has to get to the White House, then he can unleash it on all of us in this big wave. A real Manchurian Candidate for black people! Wow. That's just so sinister.

--------

well, he would meet America's enemy leaders unconditionally in his first year in office.

Just wonder why?

Posted by: va-us | March 15, 2008 3:11 AM | Report abuse

Out of the three nominee,s who would be best fit to heal our race problems in this country? It is going to take a president to lead the way.Does the president take on these issues, pretend they don't exist.

Posted by: javell74 | March 15, 2008 2:17 AM | Report abuse

Can't we all just get along.

Posted by: javell74 | March 15, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

Hispana with the influx of illegal aliens coming to the United States by the millions from Peru, Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Dominican Republic, Brazil, Venezuela, Chile, Bolivia, Ecuador, Panama, Cuba, Costa Rico, Belize, Honduras, Argentina, and Colombia have out numbered black U.S. citizens. If Africans and black West Indians were allowed to come to the United States illegally by the millions, blacks would be the so called largest minority in these country.

I don't see Hispanics as being a minority since many of their birth certificates states white, not "NEGRO" or "COLORED". Hispanic is not a race, but a culture. The late Afro Cubana Celia Cruz was of the black race, but her nationality was Cuban. Many of these groups of people don't get along and come from many cultures where the Spanish is different. I assure you, there will be a "Civil War" in this country in the near future.

Posted by: BlueDogDemocrat | March 15, 2008 1:44 AM | Report abuse

Hispana, since you went there, I am a black man born of black Puerto Rican parents from Santurce, Puerto Rico. There is racism in Puerto Rico and with some Puerto Ricans. I suggest, you read the book "Down These Mean Streets" by Piri Thomas a black Puerto Rican or Black and Latino in Boricuas Infulential Puerto Rican Writings an Anthology by black New York born Roberto Santiago. Hispana, many Hispanics and some Puerto Ricans are in denial about racism within the Hispanic culture. I find many Hispanics to be the most racist people on the planet. I can't tell you how many times I have been called a moyo in Spanish by Puerto Ricans, not knowing I too speak Spanish. Moyo is a negative term use towards blacks.

Posted by: BlueDogDemocrat | March 15, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

It's a little late for Barack Obama to try to distance himself from Pastor Wright. He's been a member of the church for 20 years now, and called the pastor his "spiritual advisor". And now he claims the sermons do not reflect his attitudes?

How can a person choose a church and remain a member for 20 years if they feel the opinions and attitudes of the pastor and congregation do not reflect their own? And I'm not buying that after 17 years of listening to Pastor Wright's sermons, he NEVER heard anything like those we have been listening to. Wasn't one of them a Christmas sermon? I think he is lying.

I suppose we'll soon be hearing the "just a case of bad judgement" excuse again. And he'll probably get away with it.

Posted by: SMD | March 15, 2008 1:33 AM | Report abuse

The Catholic Church supported slavery. Many Catholic Priest are homosexuals and pedophiles. I was born and raised a black Catholic, but I have visited mostly white or Hispanic parishes and did not feel welcome. Let's face it, black and white churches in the United States have been segregated for centuries. Hispana, you and white Hispanics like Senators Robert Menendez (D-NJ) and Mel Martinez (R-FL) have never endured racism as blacks in this country based on having nappy hair and our Negroid features. We were seen by many White Americans as Apes or sub human. Today, some whites in the United States still view blacks in this way. Racism today is more on the down low. Sometimes I wish I could make myself invisible and go into the homes of white Americans and hear what their true feelings are about blacks. WE ALL HAVE TO REAP WHAT WE SOW IN THIS LIFE ON EARTH!

Hispana has changed her screen name to Hillary08. LOL

Posted by: BlueDogDemocrat | March 15, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

A little education to those questioning the meaning of Hispanics versus Latinos in identifying our constituency. Latinos come from the word LATIN and it encompasses a portion of our population mostly of European descent. The Real Academy of Spain, who oversees our spanish language adopted the term Hispanic to reference all the members of our group as it is more inclusive so those of us that follow the Academy use the term Hispanic or Hispana(o) to reference ourselves.

We are a mixture of European descent, indian, black and white. I come from Puerto Rico and I am proud to say that we all have in our blood a mixture of all of the above. We are proud to say that this gives us a great advantage in that we are mostly color blind and learn from little how to appreciate each other. I do not agree with the Democratic position on Immigration as I believe that everyone who comes here needs to do it legally. As a Puerto Rican, I am a citizen by birth just like you (Puerto Rico is a Commonwealth) and we learn to speak and write English and Spanish, so we are fully bilingual. I am sensitive to the plight and needs of the folks that are here illegally, but insist that our position needs to be to follow the laws of this country. And I totally disagree with your point that we are racist towards blacks. This is a fabrication by outside groups. You would find that Hispanics bring forth a culture of family values and hard work to this country and we are NOW the largest minority group in this country. Thanks and enough said on the subject!!!

Posted by: Hispana | March 15, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

Obama's buddies Louis Farrakhan and Reverend Wright make Hillary's very worst supporters look SAINTLY. Just words Barack? it's not just words when they are Reverend King's words, but when it's just silly "old Uncle Rev Wright" now that's a different story right? those are just some words. I think this should put a pretty permanent dent in any credibility Obama had left. Between Rezko, Farrakhan, Rev Wright and that other hater of America Michelle Obama, I think it's becoming very clear Obama has made some very poor decisions in his life. So much for making the right choices on day one huh Obama?

Hillary is the One, always was and always will be, it's not too late America.

Posted by: Hillary08 | March 15, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Indiebot, I agree but Colombians, Mexicans, and other Central/South American counties you didn't mention citizens see themselves as white base on hair texture and the color of skin. When I watch all three Spanish speaking local television stations here in D.C., I see all white faces. I failed to mention, the white racist Cubans in Miami. Afro Cubanos or black Hispanics are not accepted as Latino by the Latino community. Many poor uneducated Salvadorans think they are white and look down on middle class blacks. You two so called Hispanic Senators are white men. It seems you blacks in the United States and on this planet is doomed. Hispana appears to be one of these racist white Hispanics who's birth certificate states white or Caucasian on it.

Posted by: BlueDogDemocrat | March 15, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Indiebot, I agree but Colombians, Mexicans, and other Central/South American counties you didn't mention citizens see themselves as white base on hair texture and the color of skin. When I watch all three Spanish speaking local television stations here in D.C., I see all white faces. I failed to mention, the white racist Cubans in Miami. Afro Cubanos or black Hispanics are not accepted as Latino by the Latino community. Many poor uneducated Salvadorans think they are white and look down on middle class blacks. You two so called Hispanic Senators are white men. It seems you blacks in the United States and on this planet is doomed. Hispana appears to be one of these racist white Hispanics who's birth certificate states white or Caucasian on it.

Posted by: BlueDogDemocrat | March 15, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Indiebot, I agree but Colombians, Mexicans, and other Central/South American counties you didn't mention citizens see themselves as white base on hair texture and the color of skin. When I watch all three Spanish speaking local television stations here in D.C., I see all white faces. I failed to mention, the white racist Cubans in Miami. Afro Cubanos or black Hispanics are not accepted as Latino by the Latino community. Many poor uneducated Salvadorans think they are white and look down on middle class blacks. You two so called Hispanic Senators are white men. It seems you blacks in the United States and on this planet is doomed. Hispana appears to be one of these racist white Hispanics who's birth certificate states white or Caucasian on it.

Posted by: BlueDogDemocrat | March 15, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Indiebot, I agree but Colombians, Mexicans, and other Central/South American counties you didn't mention citizens see themselves as white base on hair texture and the color of skin. When I watch all three Spanish speaking local television stations here in D.C., I see all white faces. I failed to mention, the white racist Cubans in Miami. Afro Cubanos or black Hispanics are not accepted as Latino by the Latino community. Many poor uneducated Salvadorans think they are white and look down on middle class blacks. You two so called Hispanic Senators are white men. It seems you blacks in the United States and on this planet is doomed. Hispana appears to be one of these racist white Hispanics who's birth certificate states white or Caucasian on it.

Posted by: BlueDogDemocrat | March 15, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Indiebot, I agree but Colombians, Mexicans, and other Central/South American counties you didn't mention citizens see themselves as white base on hair texture and the color of skin. When I watch all three Spanish speaking local television stations here in D.C., I see all white faces. I failed to mention, the white racist Cubans in Miami. Afro Cubanos or black Hispanics are not accepted as Latino by the Latino community. Many poor uneducated Salvadorans think they are white and look down on middle class blacks. You two so called Hispanic Senators are white men. It seems you blacks in the United States and on this planet is doomed. Hispana appears to be one of these racist white Hispanics who's birth certificate states white or Caucasian on it.

Posted by: BlueDogDemocrat | March 15, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

The Pastor that appeared in Chris Matthews offers a sharp contrast to the hatred and vitriol that Wright promotes. Wright is expected to follow the Christian commandments and unite his followers teaching love and forgiveness and who is a FOOL to accept any of his preachings as regular discourse? Are we having a different definition of these Christian concepts? I find it so amazing that some of you take this as a common thing in your churches. This is quite revealing that HATRED and RACISM is the common doctrine in your churches!!!

Posted by: Hispana | March 15, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Hispania: "I watched Chris Matthews this evening and he brought an excellent black Pastor from Boston who totally denounced Obama and challenged this MADMAN called preacher."

So.... what's your point? It's important to watch the interview because it was another pastor who denounced Wright's comments? Or because the pastor was black? Or because of a combination of the two? You might find it newsworthy, but not all pastors agree with each other. And guess what (gasp!) not all blacks agree with each other either.

Posted by: jspeyton | March 15, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

BlueDogDemocrat:

That is because a great deal of Hispanics are white, not Latino. The whole mess of who is Latino and who is Hispanic was started by the US Census Office sometime back in time.

Argentina, Chile and Uruguay are in South America and most people down there are of European decent. And Spaniards are European, yet they are also Hispanic.

Posted by: indiebot | March 15, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Hispana: Yeah. Whatever. Go write the follow up to the Lord of the Rings. You got all dramatic skills for it.

Boooring.

Posted by: indiebot | March 15, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Hispana, why are you constantly pushing Hillary. Let's talk about how racist Mexicans and Central/South Americans are against blacks. In a study conducted by Duke University and UNC at Chapel Hill found, Mexicans before arriving in Durham, N.C. had racist views of blacks before coming to Durham. Many Mexican Americans didn't participate in the Civil Rights Movement along with blacks, whites, and Jews, because many Mexicans stated they were white, not Negro or colored.

Most Hispanics identify with being of the white race. Blacks have been the most loyalist to the Democratic Party, but two faced Hillary and Bill Clinton have pushed blacks aside to get the Hispanic vote as all the candidates are doing.

I am not voting for Obama, Clinton, or McCain, because each support giving illegal aliens citizenship and amnesty.

Posted by: BlueDogDemocrat | March 15, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

crozetproject: Excellent logic. Bravo.

I wonder who are these right wingers are trying to fool with this outrage. Really. What are these cats smoking?

See, you have to understand the religious white people: They do not think on their own. They get their marching orders from their parties and churches and go at it without ever questioning the validity, honesty and purpose of such orders. That is how we got into Iraq and all that jazz.

Look, there you have one guy posting now what his mother supposely taught him....As if ANY of us did not grow up disagreeing with our parents on anything? Are you kidding?. The only person so would actually consider this a factor when voting for some one is either a flat out hypocrat, a lier or simply a simpleton who basically grew up to be a perfect photocopy of his parents....

This is all a non issue.

Posted by: indiebot | March 15, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

I watched Chris Matthews this evening and he brought an excellent black Pastor from Boston who totally denounced Obama and challenged this MADMAN called preacher. So, listen to it!!!

Posted by: Hispana | March 15, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

The BLINDNESS of some of you could be WORSE!!
It leads to DISASTERS!!!Learn a bit about history!!!

Posted by: Hispana | March 15, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Please do not waste your time blaming the Republicans and FOX News for this expose as it is out in the open for over a year in the Chicago News. I have been mentioning these issues in my comments for quite some time. Obama does not have a great record in Chicago and his questionnable relationship wit Rezco will create a bigger scandal than this. I feel sorry for those of you that rushed to judgement and casted your vote for this individual who is finally unraveling and not thanks to the national media who has been so intent on getting this candidate a major pass without checking his credentials.

Hillary, let's forge ahead with your campaign as we know you are our best bet!!!

Posted by: Hispana | March 15, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Hispana: Sure we can. He is still the same person he was yesterday. And as far what the preacher said...Not any less hateful as some speech that comes form plenty white churches all across teh US, specially in the south. As far as I am concerned, religious leaders of any ilk need not be listened.

All this "fake" outrage by the right wingers would seem comical if it was not so dangerous.

Posted by: indiebot | March 15, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

So the Obama response is that after 20 years of attending that church, one that he joined by the way because of Rev. Wright, he didn't know that Wright preached these kinds of sermons??

Isn't that like Bush claiming ignorance about almost every issue over which he has displayed poor judgment. Ignorance is a poor cover for poor judgment.

If the core theme of your candidacy is your claimed ability to end the divisions that exist in the country, to unite Democrats with Republicans so that the country's problems can begin to get solved, then you are selling to the country your core, your essence as a human being.

Obama has said that Wright is his spiritual mentor. But Wright spews such hatred for the country, even blames the victims of 9/11 for being the cause of their own deaths in those buildings and he God Damns America from his pulpit.

I would invite all readers to go to this site in the Asian Times that reports on Obama's world view as given to him by his mother:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa01.html

That view is of a person who hates America. His mother did. His wife has only recently become proud of the country and his spiritual mentor hates the country.

I see a disturbing pattern here that suggests that Rev. Wright's sermons were not some alien thing to Obama, but the ideas expressed therein are actually what drew Obama to that particular church and to that preacher. It was the familiar sermon that he had received from his mother and reinforced by his wife.

It is true, Obama cannot separate himself from Wright. He is too good a politician not to have done so if separation were possible. But Obama cannot divorce himself from that which he is. He is a believer in the Gospel according to Rev. Wright.

He has been playing people like they were experimental specimens, much as his mother did in studying primative human communities. Obama's cool detachment has been that of a scientist, like his mother. The same scientific method at play.

I've got nothing against science. I think it is the path to the future, but to turn science and the scientific method on your fellow citizens as a tool to manipulate them and their emotions so that you can get them to support you, well no I am not for that.

A vote is an informed decision. I voter should be informed by his conscious thinking rational logical mind, not by emotions, neither the emotion of fear that Bush played on, nor elation as Obama has tried to work on the people. Both blur reason and logical judgment.

This preacher has destroyed Obama's bid for President.

How can Obama go to the Super Delegates now and ask for support?

How can Obama argue about his superior judgment?

How can Obama campaign now for change without the question being asked, What Change?

How can White people come to vote for this guy?

How can the vast majority of our fellow African Americans citizens who do not share this hatred of America vote for this guy?? THE most loyal Americans, the first ones to go off to war to fight and die for her are our fellow African Americans.

Shame on Obama for playing such a cruel game not just on his fellow Americans but especially on his fellow African Americans. They want this crap even less than white Americans.

Posted by: pkmc83a | March 15, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

I don't quite understand how this is supposed to play out. Obviously if anyone says anything to me, I instantly believe it, take it into my heart, and make it my own creed. I get that part. Words are instant contagion; they go straight to the brain and get to work.

What I'm missing here is, if Obama imbibed all this hate from Wright, then how is he expressing it? A respected career in the state senate? The US Senate? His two books tracking his uplifting journey? His relentlessly positive campaign? Why hasn't he tried to pass the "Hate America" act, or the "America is Racist" act? Or written about his 20 years of programmed hate?

Oh I see...he's this relentlessly positive because he's actually so full of hate, he has to get to the White House, then he can unleash it on all of us in this big wave. A real Manchurian Candidate for black people! Wow. That's just so sinister.

Oh, and you all suuuuuck! LOL

Posted by: crozetproject | March 15, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

jameswhanger wrote:
Did ANYONE pay attention to the issues Katrina raised??? Is anyone REALLY surprised that a black man of that age is ANGRY at the POWERS THAT BE for RACISM that was not ONLY the NORM during his lifetime, but it was the LAW??

I'm a 43 year old white man, who went to private schools and can't possibly understand what it feels like to be a member of an OPPRESSED minority. BUT, I sure as HE11 can understand why someone who IS, might not be happy about the way in which his country has behaved towards people that look like him.

James Whanger, I am glad as a white U.S. citizen, you had the courage to admit the atrocities on blacks in this country since African slaves were brought to these shores up to the present.

As a registered Democrat, I am neither a Obama or Clinton supporter. I am concerned with the personal attacks by some within the Democratic Party against Obama. Hopefully blacks will open their eyes to see how racist some are within the Democratic Party. Blacks have been brain washed to think, Republicans are the racist. On the issue of Rush, I listen to his show, but sometimes he come across as being unstable. The same goes for Sean Hannity. Sean have discussed his being a Catholic. I was born and raised Catholic, but their is racism within the Catholic Church. I experience racism from Priests and Nuns growing up within the church. Sometimes it's hard for whites to see themselves as being racist or making racist remarks, because racism has been embedded in America for centuries. I don't walk around blaming the white man for all the troubles in my life, but as a black man, I have to endure things in society most white males don't experience.

Posted by: BlueDogDemocrat | March 15, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Unca Wright, so long!

Posted by: electress | March 15, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Racism OBVIOUSLY comes from both sides and those of us who have made the huge step to erase as much of that ugliness from our attitudes are feeling particularly sad this week. What with Ferraro and Wright, we are seeing that racism is alive and well on both sides. Granted both of them have more to their lives than the 30 second clip when they said the most stupid thing in their lives. But instead of the huge issues that face our country, we are obsessed with personalities as if this was tabloid fodder. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are fine candidates. However their abilities become clouded and they are blamed for statements they themselves did not make.
I am sure Obama told Wright to go out there and ruin my chances.

"It is not whites that continue to fan the flames of racism. It is individuals like Rev Wright that choose to preach anti-American and anti-white hate speech,"

Posted by: lynettema | March 15, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Folks, Obama could be preaching a message of Unity and Hope, but certainly anyone with common sense has to see that at this point, Obama's credibility, judgement and character has become a MAJOR issue.

His statements today were done after all this pressure and if you watched him closely I saw hesitation that spoke louder than words. So, can we believe him?

Posted by: Hispana | March 15, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

I am amazed that someone here is comparing the works of a MADMAN to Frederick Douglass. Excuse me and go and really read his work!!!

I guess this VITRIOL and ANTI-CHRISTIAN HATRED is common in some churches. Do not tell me that folks other than FANATIC ZOMBIES accept this behavior that borders on TREASON!!!

Posted by: Hispana | March 15, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Let me say this, the Democratic Party is in serious trouble. I have never seen an election that has been so mean spirited with racist overtones. I think, if Hillary Clinton get's the Democratic nomination, many black voters will not cast their votes in November. We all will have to reap what we sow in this life on earth!

Posted by: BlueDogDemocrat | March 15, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

After reading the comments from this preacher I am so upset that I can tell you for a fact that should Barack Obama become the Democratic nominee for President that this 40 year die hard Democrat will in fact vote for McCain for President. I will NEVER vote for Barack Obama after now learning about his true views. His spiritual advisor says "god damn America" and I, a combat veteran who has seen Americans of all races shed their blood and lives for this country, can only say in response, God Bless America and God Bless the soldiers, airmen, sailors, and Marines who have died in order to allow this man to be able to preach his hateful sermons.

Posted by: alappleberry | March 15, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

To Indiebot - I respect what you're saying about the idiots that have endorsed McCain. However, the biggest difference is that these 2 gentlemen do not present themselves as spiritual mentors to McCain. These idiots do not have a relationship with McCain that spans over 20 years. McCain is not a member of either of these men's churches. It's entirely different.

This is what Obama had with Wright. I am not saying that Obama agrees with Wright. I do think it's a stretch that a man as intelligent as Obama is would not know that his minister spewed such hatred comments occasionally on Sundays. It takes a huge leap of faith to believe that of Obama.

www.unfilteredopinion.com

Posted by: team-davis | March 15, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Look,
I hate McCains politics- no way I vote for him- but don't compare apples and oranges- those guys are vaguely connected to the McCain campaign- it is doubtful that he has been working closely with them for 20 years, that they married him, baptized his kids or inspired his books...he didn't thank them after he won his senate seat- this is not the same thing- don't try to minimize this. This could easily be the Republicans swift boat attack on Barak- but he has nowhere to go on this one- the record is with the attackers.
Leon

Posted by: nycLeon | March 15, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

rebeccajohnson1, everyone certainly has the right to vote for whomever they want. However, you seem to be confused. Barack Obama and his pastor are not the same person. The anti-American comments came from his pastor not him. If you want to attack Obama on his association with said pastor, do so (though I think that argument is incredibly flimsy), but don't make the mistake of conflating the two as if they are one man. They are not.

Secondly, perhaps you didn't make yourself clear when you wrote, "Our country does not need to be run by victims crying about it all the time." As it stands, that reads as if you agree that there are victims in this country, you just don't want them to "cry about it all time."

Thirdly, surely you don't believe that the Civil Rights Movement cleansed America of racism. If you do, I can tell you that you're wrong. Dead wrong. I was born in the eighties, well after MLK and I've been called the N-word more than once to my face. The fact that the Obama's came of age in the 70s means nothing at all. Sure, maybe they've never experienced a lynching but that doesn't mean they've never been victims of racism.

Lastly, I'm curious as to where you get this message of victim-hood. ALL Barack talks about is unity and mutual uplift (i.e. hope). He has fought hard to keep race out of the campaign, despite the efforts of a well-known few. In fact, if Obama's message was one of racism and victim-hood I doubt his former pastor's comments would be as much of a news story as they currently are.

Posted by: jspeyton | March 15, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Folks, IT IS NOT TOO LATE to make a difference in the votes of the remaining 10 states. You can help by blogging in these states newspapers, making calls on behalf of Hillary and hopefully the people in these states have seen the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, more than ever, Florida and Michigan are instrumental. Let Howard DEAN know that the DNC could lose this election. The Super Delegates could be infuencial if they see that Hillary wins by a significant majority the popular vote. So, Pennsylvania here we go!!!

Posted by: Hispana | March 15, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

INTERESTING.....

So now CNN is reporting how McCain has his own share of religious nutjobs like Rob Parsley and the other fatzo... John something...Anyway, he is there on the stage shaking hand with one and the being endorse by the other.... And openly thanking them for their support

These two guys, the two most hateful extreme right tele-evangelists on TV, the ones that, like Pat Robertson and the Westboro Church, blame all natural disasters and wars on things like gay rights, pro-choice, evolution, etc, etc.

And this guy what... Gets a pass on that?. Yes?


Posted by: indiebot | March 15, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

I respect everyone's opinion here but after reading those that are disavowing these FACTS being finally presented since Sunday evening it totally amazes me your gullibility or lack of common sense and YES it makes me shiver because FANATICS like these have been the ones that have preceded major disasters in our world history.

Looking at the preachings of this MADMAN and followers makes me wonder about Obama and his speeches and reaction from his followers, the only difference is the deliverance taught by Harvard.

If some of you still do not have any doubts about the influence of this extremist church, at least begin to open your eyes and be receptive to the fact that Obama might not be who he claims to be our our wisest choice for a candidate. This would not fade away and THERE IS MORE coming our way.

Judgement, character and credibility are major QUESTIONS now. Just imagine how the general elections would be!!!

Posted by: Hispana | March 15, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

It is disingenuous of Barack Obama to say that after 20 years of close association with this pastor, he didn't know the nature of the sermons he preached.

It is irrelevant that the pastor is retiring (how convenient!). The pastor may retire from the church, but his views don't retire from him. In any case, the criticism of Obama in this case would be for his past association with the pastor, not his future association with his uncle, as he considers him.

There is some effort at compating this pastor's comments to what Geraldine Ferraro said the other day. Hogwash! What Geraldine Ferraro said doesn't even register on the scale to be used for Rev Wright's wrong views, and his exuberant sermons preaching them.

All of this puts Michelle Obama's comment that she "for the first time in her adult life, is proud of the country", in a new light.

Posted by: pKrishna43 | March 14, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Rev. Wright is using rhetoric familiar to black prophetic religious tradition. Read David Walker of 1830, Frederick Douglass of the 1850's. Read white abolitionists William Lloyd Garrison who called for the destruction of the Constitution because of its 3/5hts compromise advocating slavery, an institution with which most white Americans of his day were comfortable. I am sure his sermons consist of more of the total two minutes that are shared over the airwaves. He has spoken out strongly against sexism and homophobia. How many in Christian traditions have done that?

Posted by: YTYT | March 14, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

kevinlarmee, Is your real name Mel Gibson. I saw you in Conspiracy Theory. You were great.

Posted by: Skinsfan1978 | March 14, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Moving beyond this Obama kerfuffle, what's so wrong with what Wright said? America was founded on racism. Much of our agrarian economy was based on slavery. The Constitution said an African slave was legally three fifths of a man. It's just a true statement. America was founded on racism. After that, after the civil war, we had 100 years of racial terror against black people. Also fact. That legal regime ended in 1965. It's effects are ongoing. Have you looked at legal outcomes when blacks and whites are tried for similar crimes? I mean, have you been to the South Side of Chicago? Last time I was there, I saw people living in buildings that were half-burnt-out. And that was public housing. You look around there, you live there, you might not always find yourself subscribing to the Disneyland America everyone thinks we should just be praise praise praising, like it's the hourly parade. I don't find Wright's comments surprising or untrue at all. I find it weird that white people would think that black people should just forget about all this, say everything's fine now. That a black person isn't allowed to feel or express anger at history and its effects. I'm white; I think such expressions are fine, healthy, and good for the rest of us to hear. If only we could listen better.

Also, I have to say in 2003 I was feeling plenty of "God Damn America" myself. Turns out though that God didn't need to damn us - we damned ourselves with a foreign policy disaster that's sucking our economy dry, pushing our military into the red zone, and allowing Al Qaeda to do an end run around us in Pakistan. So I guess Preacher Wright was a little off base in that sense.

Posted by: crozetproject | March 14, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that I have a feeling that many people felt thaat they have been had? Is it because yesterday Obama was forced to admit that he successfully funneled taxpayer money to a friend (was it $8million?) and tried to funnel taxpayer money to his wife ($1 million)? Or is it because that his staffer was caught last week that Obama did not mean what he said on TV? Or finally Obama admitting today that he actually know and received more money from Rezko? Or that he chose to stay with his preacher who is such a bigot?

Oh well... Ferraro is right. If Obama were a white man, he would not be were he is.

Posted by: CPCook | March 14, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Garbo,

First of all HRC had nothing to do with this one- it was all your guy.

Secondly- for all of you who went on the "well W did this or that"- since when is W our criterion to live up to?

Thirdly- This is not just some associate saying things- this is a "sprititual advisor", one of the first people he thanked after winning the senate seat, someone he said inspired him and helped him find his way in his books, and someone actively involved in his family.

Lastly, These comments are not debatable- even if some have elements of truth in them- they mean what they mean. When Donna Brazille created called Bill a racist based on the "fairytale" speech, which was about media coverage- it left a lot of us scratching our heads- where, how? but it stirred up the conversation that killed HRC in SC and revived Baraks campaign. When Ferraro said that a white man would not have gotten this far with Obama's record- it did not directly insult Obama- it was her opinion as to why someone with such a lack of experience was allowed to get this far when the press had KILLED her for lack of experience in 1984- she did not actually give him responsibility Barak responsibility for heinous acts or say anything about his character. When this close advisor/friend/inspirational leader/mentor of Barak speaks, multiple times he says things not open to interpretation- the US is responsible for and deserved 9/11; AIDS and crack cocaine were designed by the government to work against AAs, etc. This stuff is not a "slip" in public. This is different. This is Barak's close friend and associate. He wrote about his importance in "dreams of my father" and used a sermon line to name "The audacity of hope". This is about Barak.

I don't mind what the minister said, but I am a life-long leftist and live in NY- i will still vote for him if he is the nominee- although that will be my last Democratic vote-how will this go over nationally when you are running against the war-hero?

Posted by: nycLeon | March 14, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

JakeD responded with: So, you DON'T think that Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus etc... worship a false god? Or, just that they do, but won't rot in hell?

You are missing my point entirely. I wouldn't attend a church that spewed such hatred, regardless of religious conviction, race, ethnicity, and so forth. And BTW, I am an HRC supporter. I believe you are a McCain supporter, but perhaps I am wrong.

Posted by: kathy_dave | March 14, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

WHO'S POSTING THESE ANTI-OBAMA SMEARS?

you may think that it's just a couple of "loonies"....but it's not.

It's an organized campaign.

It's the same people who campaigned for the war in Iraq (and now Iran)

It's ab organized campaign, and the purpose is not (just) to promote Hillary, or McCain...(either of whom would be fine for them)

the real purpose is to promote WAR

Posted by: kevinlarmee | March 14, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Did ANYONE pay attention to the issues Katrina raised??? Is anyone REALLY surprised that a black man of that age is ANGRY at the POWERS THAT BE for RACISM that was not ONLY the NORM during his lifetime, but it was the LAW??

I'm a 43 year old white man, who went to private schools and can't possibly understand what it feels like to be a member of an OPPRESSED minority. BUT, I sure as HE11 can understand why someone who IS, might not be happy about the way in which his country has behaved towards people that look like him.

Posted by: jameswhanger | March 14, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Well, about one of the speeches in question talking about AIDS and how the US government invented it to infect black men:

Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment comes to mind.

I gather if I was black, I would probably believe too.

This has the stench of a Republican operator all over it.

Posted by: indiebot | March 14, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

(1) The candidates beliefs and actions are what is important, not someone else's. Posted by: LouiseFletcher
So now every Presidential candidate is disqualified because of something someone else has said. . And Obama's pastor has said terrible things about white people. So let's not vote for a president, because it looks like no one can live up to the scrutiny. Or instead, we can look at the candidates themselves. I don't like Clinton's ethics. I don't like McCain's policies. So I will support Obama. Posted by: goldie2 |
Obama did not say those words and after all the pastor has rights to free speech. Posted by: mbahal
Obama is NOT his pastor. Obama is NOT a sheep nor a lemming. He has sound judgement, and thinks independently -- which is what we need. Pastors often say things that are alarming. Why? To evoke emotion. It's showmanship. I'm not approving of what was said; just dis-approving at everyone's burn-at-the-stake attitude. Obama is NOT his pastor. Obama is NOT a sheep. He can think for himself. I still support him. Especially since he doesn't represent the toxic politics-as-usual. (Which, btw, is why this country is in the toilet.) Think, people. Posted by: VoiceofReason5
Listen to what the man says and watch how he lives his life - then pass judgment. Another White Man for Obama Posted by: johnsonc2
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Oh to be so oblivious. The relationship of Obama and Wright was not a case of attending the closest church of one's faith because the next church of the denomination was miles and miles away and one puts up with the minister there at that time. He DELIBERATELY choose that church and the minister. He became DEEPLY INVOLVED with the minister. Obama has called him a 'major influence' and has said that Wright was close counselor and guided him. He gave thousands upon thousands of dollars. Wright was involved in his decision to run - and if you think someone like Wright didn't pay special attention to a young black politician in his congregation, you are delusional.
It would be utterly impossible to be associated with someone on at least a weekly basis for over 20 years and NOT know what that person thought about political issues, race relations and anything else of general concern. Absolutely can NOT happen.
Further no one can live in Chicago all that time and NOT know about Farrakhan. No one could attend that church and be that closely associated with the minister and NOT know what he thought about Farrakhan and his views.
Obama choose a racist church. Obama choose a racist minister. Interestingly he choose a BLACK racist church - and he routinely ignores and downplays the fact that he is half-white. It is almost like he is trying to be 100% black and more 'black' than anyone else.
And that is how he exercises his judgment and lives his life. And for that he should be judged unworthy and an appalling choice.
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(2) Just because you disagree with some of your pastor's sermons does not mean you leave the church. First of all, the church is not the Pastor's. To criticize Obama because his Pastor preached some sermons or even held some theological views that are controversial and with which Obama does not agree is absurd.
Posted by: fruthven

Yes one DOES leave when the ministry veers in to hate, crackers conspiracy theories and virulent diatribes. One's continued presence and financial support is an implict acceptance and furtherance of such things.
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(3) No one on either side of the issue seems to believe Obama when he says he didn't know about Wright's speeches and opinions. He's either incredibly unaware, trusting and naive, or he's not telling the truth. Which of those qualifies him for the presidency?
Posted by: nlynnc

Thanks. You got in one. How could Obama not know the world view and statements of his minister? Pretty much every one in Chicago does. He is either lying or stupid - and both render him unfit.

Posted by: eabpmn | March 14, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

(1) The candidates beliefs and actions are what is important, not someone else's. Posted by: LouiseFletcher
So now every Presidential candidate is disqualified because of something someone else has said. . And Obama's pastor has said terrible things about white people. So let's not vote for a president, because it looks like no one can live up to the scrutiny. Or instead, we can look at the candidates themselves. I don't like Clinton's ethics. I don't like McCain's policies. So I will support Obama. Posted by: goldie2 |
Obama did not say those words and after all the pastor has rights to free speech. Posted by: mbahal
Obama is NOT his pastor. Obama is NOT a sheep nor a lemming. He has sound judgement, and thinks independently -- which is what we need. Pastors often say things that are alarming. Why? To evoke emotion. It's showmanship. I'm not approving of what was said; just dis-approving at everyone's burn-at-the-stake attitude. Obama is NOT his pastor. Obama is NOT a sheep. He can think for himself. I still support him. Especially since he doesn't represent the toxic politics-as-usual. (Which, btw, is why this country is in the toilet.) Think, people. Posted by: VoiceofReason5
Listen to what the man says and watch how he lives his life - then pass judgment. Another White Man for Obama Posted by: johnsonc2
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Oh to be so oblivious. The relationship of Obama and Wright was not a case of attending the closest church of one's faith because the next church of the denomination was miles and miles away and one puts up with the minister there at that time. He DELIBERATELY choose that church and the minister. He became DEEPLY INVOLVED with the minister. Obama has called him a 'major influence' and has said that Wright was close counselor and guided him. He gave thousands upon thousands of dollars. Wright was involved in his decision to run - and if you think someone like Wright didn't pay special attention to a young black politician in his congregation, you are delusional.
It would be utterly impossible to be associated with someone on at least a weekly basis for over 20 years and NOT know what that person thought about political issues, race relations and anything else of general concern. Absolutely can NOT happen.
Further no one can live in Chicago all that time and NOT know about Farrakhan. No one could attend that church and be that closely associated with the minister and NOT know what he thought about Farrakhan and his views.
Obama choose a racist church. Obama choose a racist minister. Interestingly he choose a BLACK racist church - and he routinely ignores and downplays the fact that he is half-white. It is almost like he is trying to be 100% black and more 'black' than anyone else.
And that is how he exercises his judgment and lives his life. And for that he should be judged unworthy and an appalling choice.
____________________
(2) Just because you disagree with some of your pastor's sermons does not mean you leave the church. First of all, the church is not the Pastor's. To criticize Obama because his Pastor preached some sermons or even held some theological views that are controversial and with which Obama does not agree is absurd.
Posted by: fruthven

Yes one DOES leave when the ministry veers in to hate, crackers conspiracy theories and virulent diatribes. One's continued presence and financial support is an implict acceptance and furtherance of such things.
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(3) No one on either side of the issue seems to believe Obama when he says he didn't know about Wright's speeches and opinions. He's either incredibly unaware, trusting and naive, or he's not telling the truth. Which of those qualifies him for the presidency?
Posted by: nlynnc

Thanks. You got in one. How could Obama not know the world view and statements of his minister? Pretty much every one in Chicago does. He is either lying or stupid - and both render him unfit.

Posted by: eabpmn | March 14, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

jspeyton:

I am always interested in teaching little known facts. For instance, did you know that McCain's middle name was SIDNEY (just like his father, and grandfather)?

kathy_dave:

So, you DON'T think that Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus etc... worship a false god? Or, just that they do, but won't rot in hell?

Posted by: JakeD | March 14, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

garbo wrote, "And before the low IQ reactionaries respond I'm a white conservative in Arizona, but even I can see this is a hatchet job."

So, you are taking a page from the Wright/Obama playbook by using condenscending language. I understand it may be hard to believe but there are Hillary supporters with degrees. It would be a "hatchett job" if there was no evidence to support the claims. It does not take a high IQ to see the truth but sometimes high IQ's get in the way of common sense.

Posted by: Skinsfan1978 | March 14, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

That's what I thought of when Geraldine Ferraro (correctly) noted that Obama is VERY LUCKY to be who he is.

Posted by: JakeD | March 14, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, that excuse was, I'm sorry to say, laughable. What bearing could or should someone's middle name have on their campaign? If you think it should have any bearing at all then I've just waisted precious neurons typing this response. And if you think it has no bearing whatsoever, once again, I wonder why you'd bother to include it in the first place. I don't know why you do it, but the fact that you feel the need to I find suspect.

Posted by: jspeyton | March 14, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

I attend a conservative church steeped in tradition, but I can guarantee you that if my priest said: "By the way my pastor thinks Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus etc... worship a false god and they will rot in hell, purgatory" I would be out of there in a minute. If your pastor speaks like this during sermons, what kind of a person is this. I believe in a loving God, and am thankful that my priest does as well.

Posted by: kathy_dave | March 14, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

The Sins of the South. I was an Obama supporter until I really started to listen to the victimology of what the Obamas teach.
• Why does Michelle make speeches and act like she was born in the turn of the century? She and her husband talk a lot of being a victims! If the Obamas are in their fourties, then that means they grew up in 1970s and 80s! .... They got all kinds of help growing up. I just got real turned off by the whole "I'm a victim" speech.
• I woke up. I don't want to help a movement of victims. Like our country owes the Obamas something. I always liked Hillary, but now Hillary is my hero! We love her and we will fight with her all the way!
• I wouldn't support or vote for the kkk .
• Our country does not need to be run by victims crying about it all the time....
• That somehow now all Americans should pay for the sins of the south.
• I thought that is why Lincoln fought the Civil War! Over Six Hundred thousand died. Didn't they pay with their blood and their lives. The Obamas and their pastor, and that mindset is wrong, wrong, wrong ! It is an underlining undertoe of a downward thought of hate and evil ! Martin Luther King Would NOT have accepted this teaching this kind of preaching.

Posted by: rebeccajohnson1 | March 14, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

jgeber:

You DON'T believe that Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus etc... worship a false god and they will rot in hell?! Are you SURE you aren't too? Perhaps it's time you should find a different church?

Posted by: JakeD | March 14, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Apparently the "Blame America First" crowd feels it's OK to comment negatively on McCain's race and age.

Posted by: amazd | March 14, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps maybe, just perhaps, Obama is good at math. Perhaps he knows that pastor Wright is 62 years old. Meaning that he was born in 2008 - 62 years, that would be 1946.

You might remember 1946 as having been 18 years before 1964. Why might you ask would 1964 be so important? Well as many of you probably went to public school here in America, I don't expect you to know that 1964 was when the civil rights act was passed. This was landmark legislation in that it offered minorities, African Americans like pastor Wright, the protections of the federal government, at least in the letter of the law.

So for pretty much his entire childhood, Mr. Wright was considered a second class citizen. He was considered this by America, by the elected government of the United States of America. He and his parents were abused, intimidated, and segregated, left out in the cold in this great country of opportunity.

So perhaps Mr. Wright is MORE JUSTIFIED IN his denouncement of America, then America is in it's denouncement of him. After all his first and most egregious crime was being born black. So perhaps Barack Obama can understand this pastor's point of view, perhaps he doesn't agree but he understands. Yes just perhaps he's using some judgment. Perhaps it would be incredibly STUPID of Mr. Obama to not understand this pastor.

Just my 2 cents as someone who can relate!

By the way my pastor thinks Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus etc... worship a false god and they will rot in hell, purgatory ... As I'm sure many other religious leaders believe the same about him ... I would sure hate to be judged as agreeing with him, because I attend his church.

God Bless!

Posted by: jgeber | March 14, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

garbo762003:

That's Barack HUSSEIN Obama to you.

RealChoices:

Answer the question, please.

Posted by: JakeD | March 14, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

adamhyoung wrote, "Where is the "progress" that whites love to talk about."

It is not whites that continue to fan the flames of racism. It is individuals like Rev Wright that choose to preach anti-American and anti-white hate speech, damning our children to hell. Our society will never be color-blind as long as we allow African American leaders like Wright to define what acceptable bahavior is for anyone not black. This election has shown a deeper devision of race within the Democratic Party than I wanted to believe. Has there always been this underlying race problem within the Democratic Party that has surfaced during this election. The common enemy was the Republican Party but these primaries has shown the world the racial divide within the party and it is not pretty.

Posted by: Skinsfan1978 | March 14, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

jspeyton:

I just want people who don't know his middle name to learn about that -- I capitalize Hillary DIANE Clinton and John SIDNEY McCain too -- why do you think I do it?

Posted by: JakeD | March 14, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

I am heartsick about this. Tonight was Senator Obama's opportunity to bring us together as one America and to be the President of the 21st century, but his response was too muted, too "nuanced."

The day one has to make the often necessary and difficult decision to break with past associations that are in conflict with one's own integrity and values comes in every person's life and is part of evolving maturity. That day has arrived in Senator Obama's life.

Posted by: willowbarcelona | March 14, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations to the media, HRC, McCain. You all have finally succeeded in making Obama into the scary black guy next door. Bravo, well done. You know the funny thing there are plenty of things to rail against about this country. Yes we are hypocritical, yes we did prop up apartheid (Remember Reagan, hmmm?), yes we did carpetbomb Vietnam and kill MILLIONS of women and children (guess what folks they weren't all soldiers in the bombed out N Vietnam cities), we have supported dictators at every chance where it is in our best interest and to make some $$$$. We do a lot of really bad things without ever blinking an eye. And before the low IQ reactionaries respond and say well if you don't like it leave, there is a lot to love about this country to, and I guess this is what Barack Obama represents the dicotomy of America. We stand at a crossroad, we know about the terrible, horrible things our country has done, and that awareness surrounds us. But we also know what we still can be, and what we stand for even if what we stand for occasionally gets tarnished by our imperfect actions. We can acknowledge that and HOPEfully move to a better future, or we can continue to live in denial, and keep business as usual. I'm a white conservative in Arizona, but even I can see this is a hatchet job. So America the choice is yours, I think we all know what direction Americans will take when confronted with a challenge. When in doubt punt, and we will have an old white dude as president with no chance of anything better happening. GBA

Posted by: garbo762003 | March 14, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, the fact that you feel the need to capitalize Barack's middle name to draw attention to it (care to explain why?) makes anything say suspect, quite frankly. I don't care who you voted for.

Posted by: jspeyton | March 14, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

The ironic part of this entire episode is how poor Obama's judgment has been for the past 20 years and especially the past year. He wants to be President, claims he has the experience and judgment to be ready on day one for the job. However, he had the opportunity to attend over 1,000 of Rev. Wright's sermons and didn't know of his hate and racism preached from the pulpit? He said on Fox News tonight that if he had been present during one of these sermons he would have left the church immediately. He also said in the fox interview that he found out about Wright's racist sermons when he started his run for president. Now why didn't he leave the church at that time? Just because he wasn't at the actual sermons (do we really believe this?) doesn't excuse him from holding to his remark that he would have left the church had he known. Well he did know a year ago about the racist sermons, by his own words, and never left the church. In fact, HE IS STILL A MEMBER TODAY! Obama is an empty suit with nothing but untrue words to offer. A person that truly wants to be a uniter of the races needs to begin by attending a church that preaches love and not hatred and racism. As the old saying goes, "If you lie down with dogs don't complain about getting fleas". Right now Obama is scratching with a vengeance.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | March 14, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

RealChoices --

Please watch the video about "Obama's Slums"

The poorest of the poor put their faith in Barry Obama and paid the ultimate price.

If you don't like Hillary, vote for McCain.

This isn't about Clinton vs. Obama.

Its about a guy who's so self-absorbed and incompetent that people died.

Obama is colder than any politician I've ever seen.

I guarentee you, he doesn't care about you any more than he cared about the people who voted for him in Chicago and wound up freezing to death.

Posted by: svreader | March 14, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

RealChoices:

What skinsfan1978 just said!

But, seriously, I don't believe that Obama rushes to hear this guy's every sermon, but he's heard SOME of it first hand -- I would be shocked if he didn't know the rest a long, long time ago, yet never left the church -- BTW: Isn't Barack HUSSEIN Obama's "judgment" his ONE BIG issue?

Posted by: JakeD | March 14, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

RealChoices wrote, "do you think Obama rushes to hear this guy's every sermon, get real. He knew the guy had a history of making wild comments, at least recently, but he probably wasn't sitting in the pew every Sunday."

Obama calls him Uncle
Obama was married by Wright
Obama's children were baptised by Wright
Obama calls Wright his mentor and inspiration for his book
Obama wants us to believe, he never heard any hate speech from Wright until he ran for President
Yet, he still makes him a part of his campaign and prays with him before his Presidential speech
Obama and Wright knew a year ago that this may happen and Obama still did nothing
The Obama media did not want this story to reach the public
Get real

Posted by: Skinsfan1978 | March 14, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

svreader, give it a rest. Shillary is the most self-absorbed candidate out there. Any past agreement or rule is supposedly to be simply waved aside so Hillary can get nominated. No thanks. Both candidates have some ugly supporters but Obama is far better person than Hillary.

Posted by: RealChoices | March 14, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

This minister has been key to Obama's poltical career and cannot be separated from him now. If it was someone he learned from as he was exploring his views as a young person it would be different. However, he attended the Church for 20 years and considered him a mentor. He can't leave him behind right now, he could have done it year ago but then he would not be where he is today. This is his delimma.

It makes a joke of his message of Unity. How is this UNITY?

"What I value most about Pastor Wright is not his day-to-day political advice," Obama said. "He's much more of a sounding board for me to make sure that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible and that I'm not losing myself in some of the hype and hoopla and stress that's involved in national politics."
"" - Chicago Tribune Jan 2007
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What kind of 'sounding board' and 'truthful speaking' can a person who wants God to damn America and believes that white people create AIDS to kill black people inspire?
Is THAT the source of Obama's much vaunted 'judgement'?

Posted by: tenthmailbox | March 14, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

husimon:
So, from several people's logic who've written in who may be Catholic, I should presume they are child molesters or at least unopposed to pedophilia since some of their pastors have been and their church turned a deaf ear--or worse covered it up--for decades?
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If your pastor is a child molester, do you want him be your friend for 20 years?

If you want, forget public postion.

Posted by: va-us | March 14, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

What does David Duke have to do with this? His racism was his own, not that of a supporter's. Are you Shillaryites so desperate you are going to attribute statements to Obama that he never made?

Posted by: RealChoices | March 14, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

andym108:

I voted for John F. Kennedy -- he was a DEMOCRAT last time I checked -- does that make me a "right-wing nut" too?

Posted by: JakeD | March 14, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Not everyone can say they support any (political) thing their Pastor says so why would ANYONE hold Obama to a different standard WRIGHT or wrong?

http://OsiSpeaks.com

Posted by: KYJurisDoctor | March 14, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Any remaining Obama Supporters --

Please watch the video.

Obama's not the kind of guy you think he is.

This isn't about Clinton vs. Obama.

Its about a guy who's so self-absorbed and incompetent that people died.

Barry Obama is bad news.

He doesn't care about anyone but himself.

He doesn't deserve your support, or anyone else's for that matter.

The real Obama really is really bad news.

Posted by: svreader | March 14, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

RealChoices:

Isn't Barack HUSSEIN Obama's "judgment" his ONE BIG issue?

Posted by: JakeD | March 14, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, do you think Obama rushes to hear this guy's every sermon, get real. He knew the guy had a history of making wild comments, at least recently, but he probably wasn't sitting in the pew every Sunday.

Posted by: RealChoices | March 14, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

I heard that David Duke, while still a member of the Klan, had condemned the statements of the former Grand Klugle(?). Can he run for governor again? Seems like it's all water under the bridge--right?

Posted by: amazd | March 14, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

People are missing the real issue here. Nobody outside the far right and a few rabid HRC supporters honestly believes Barack Obama hates America. And I don't think most critics in the media are suggesting that. The issue is judgment: why would Obama continue to attend a church whose preacher had such a hateful message. One answer is that Obama, like many Americans, compartmentalizes Wright's ministry. He loves the Jesus, faith and family stuff but he hates the politics. That would put him in line with most Catholics in America who also loathe much of the message from the alter but still cherish the tradition and community.

But that's not Obama's defense. He says he really didn't know Wright was this much of a jerk in the pulpit. Obama says he wasn't in the pews to hear any nasty remarks and seems genuinely shocked at the severity of the sermons. So this is an honesty test. Obama says if he'd heard them, he would have told Wright he thought they were wrong and to stop. If Wright continued he would have left the church. That's Obama's position. So, either that's true and there's no reason why Obama should be tarnished with this, or he's lying. I see no reason at this point to think he's lying.

Posted by: aaron.astor | March 14, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.

I've been one of Obama's biggest supporters, but I can't do it anymore after this. Obama is just a racist who played us all. I'm voting for Hillary.

Posted by: AverageJane | March 14, 2008 07:25 PM

Sen. Obama told the New York Times he was not at the church on the day of Rev. Wright's 9/11 sermon. "The violence of 9/11 was inexcusable and without justification," Obama said in a recent interview. "It sounds like he was trying to be provocative," Obama told the paper.

Rev. Wright, who announced his retirement last month, has built a large and loyal following at his church with his mesmerizing sermons, mixing traditional spiritual content and his views on contemporary issues.

"I wouldn't call it radical. I call it being black in America," said one congregation member outside the church last Sunday.

"He has impacted the life of Barack Obama so much so that he wants to portray that feeling he got from Rev. Wright onto the country because we all need something positive," said another member of the congregation.

Posted by: aamittal | March 14, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Ho hum. Another forum for the wingnuts to weigh in, claiming that they're "Democrats" who will vote for McCain because of some BS that Obama's pastor has said. NEVER MIND THAT OBAMA HIMSELF HAS NEVER PREACHED ONE WORD OF HATE TOWARD WHITE PEOPLE IN HIS ENTIRE LIFE. WE'LL IGNORE THAT.

Obama addressed this recycled non-"issue" in the same way he's addressed other controversies: Calmly and deliberately.

If Obama keeps his cool, eventually these hate-inspired attacks will die of their own weight. If these idiots posting here ever voted for a Democrat in their entire lives to begin with, his name was likely George Wallace.

Posted by: andym108 | March 14, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Someone mentioned Hitler. I think by rule we are officially finished with the comments now. Thanks, all.

Posted by: wharwood | March 14, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

This is water under the bridge. Wright is out of the picture, Obama condemns his statements. This isn't the first time a candidate has had an ugly supporter and it won't be the last. Let's get back to the issues.

Posted by: RealChoices | March 14, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Well...now that thats all settle...ahemmm..we can move on. Move along now...nothing to see here.

Posted by: matrox | March 14, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

If Hitler was Black, how long would it take Obama to kick him out of his campaign. Would he do so at all absent press criticism? Obama is a moral coward and a hypocrite. You have been listening to his preachings for 20 years, and cannot claim to be surprised as to his views. If you believe in the man, defend him. If not, he never should have been part of your campaign in the first place. The time to "disavow" him was when he was saying and doing these things all of these years, not when you were experiencing a drumbeat of media criticism for keeping him around. Shameful.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | March 14, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse


This guy Married Obama?

Sounds like the "Audacity of Hate."

Posted by: EastSideLove | March 14, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

HUSSEIN wasn't in church for the sermon on the Sunday after the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, when Wright suggested the United States deserved to be attacked?

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Wright said. "We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

HUSSEIN wasn't in church for the 2003 sermon, when he said blacks should condemn the United States?

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people. God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

HUSSEIN wasn't in church for the sermon in December comparing Obama to Jesus, promoting his candidacy and criticizing his rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton?

"Barack knows what it means to be a black man to be living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people," Wright told a cheering congregation. "Hillary can never know that. Hillary ain't never been called a n*gger."

Posted by: JakeD | March 14, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Let me see. In a private conversation, Billy Graham said that he thought Jews had a "stranglehold" on American news media.

Jeremiah Wright said in a public address that the the US Government created AIDS to exterminate African Americans. And his congregation should sing "God dam America" rather than God Bless America.

Not really too similar...but then the Obama team got the press to accept the spin that Gerry Ferraro was a racist when she commented that race was a factor in Obama's obvious success with Black votes (92%).

Posted by: amazd | March 14, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

The irony is that Dems USED to crusade against guilt by association. Now they campaign on it.

Posted by: gbooksdc | March 14, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

BLOGGERS FOR WARS

anyone familiar with the "blogs" will detect that the anti-Obama posts that one read & sound exactly like those that pushed this country into the Iraq war...
and is pushing for an attack against Iran.

notice, that they're not really pushing for hillary...just destroying Obama.

(the whispering campaign that he's a Muslim...now, about his pastor)

And (like when they pushed for Iraq) an organized campaign...(it's not just a couple of crazed loonies)

the "tone", the repeat of words...everything has their signature...

Kind of interesting, no?

my guess, is that they are as comfortable with Hillary, as they are with McCain...

Evidently, both Hillary & McCain would promote the wars that they want...evidently, both are in the pocket of their (war)lobby.

I guess, Obama, must be different.

Posted by: kevinlarmee | March 14, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I think some folks are living with blinders...Rev. Wright represents about 1 in 5 black folks in the US...in that he pissed off at the treatment of black people over the history of this country...and vocalizes it in a what that scares the hell out of some folks.

Based on history it is not surprising that he said these things, its just disappointing that they have to be associated with Barack. I have plenty of friends that think this way and I don't hate them for it because I understand the source. I do not think it is all that constructive, as Barack has pointed out.

Keep your heads in the sand if you like.

Posted by: brian | March 14, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

white america's denial about its long history of white supremist idealogy is amazing. everytime someone points out america's history of LEGAL rerpession of all non-whites, that person is somehow called racist. I always doubted that there were enough enlightened white americans to give Obama a real chance. Even though he is clearly the best candidate with the best persepctive on the issues there are white people who would never vote for any minority no matter what their message was. Where is the "progress" that whites love to talk about. Barack Obama receives racist death threats all of the time. He could use this politically, but has refused. Yet some how the right wing bnigots call him a racist with a straight face.

Posted by: adamhyoung | March 14, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

From some idiot above: "Because it is true, if Obama was white, black would not be voting for him and his second rate Health Care Plan. The only reason he's getting 90% of the black vote is because he's black."

First of all, I love how people conveniently forget that his mother is WHITE. Why doesn't that make him white? Oh, but we've progressed so far in this country that having a black father makes you black, period.

Second of all, at the onset of this race I, like so many other blacks I know and have spoken to, supported both Clinton and Obama. We care about the issues just as much as anyone else and if it came to it the majority of blacks would not vote for someone, black or white, who they felt did not adequately represent what they believed. I am sick and tired of black voters being represented as an unthinking herd which blindly follows the shepherd who happens to look like them. Are we incapable of making a judgment based on the issues? Do we not have concerns that lie outside the realm of race? Apparently not, according to some people.

Blacks, like so many others, had hoped that for once it might be possible for a man who looks African-American to run for president without his race being issue. Now, it seems that that's all we can talk about. Is he racist? Is he not? Who's more racist - Hilary or Obama? It's either, "Hillary, because her supporter said some things we didn't like" or "Obama! Because his pastor said some things we didn't like." I'm tired of it all, and this (and the ugly comments that have come with it) is just another stone in my heart.

I don't believe either candidate is racist (or McCain, for that matter), despite some of the inflammatory comments Hilary's supporters have made or the offensive statements made by Obama's pastor. There is not enough evidence on either side to support such a vile accusation.

I was hoping that this election year would provide proof of how far we have come as a nation when it comes to the issue of race. Unfortunately, it has only proven of how far we have yet to go. I'm not disappointed in Obama, I'm disappointed in us.

Posted by: jspeyton | March 14, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Barack HUSSEIN Obama said in a Fox News interview that the views he (finally) denounced didn't reflect the kinds of sermons he had heard from the Rev. Jeremiah Wright while attending services at Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ -- yeah, right -- how long before there's video of YouTube of him clapping along in the front row during one of Wright's tirades?

Posted by: JakeD | March 14, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

The way Obama is been treated is really disgusting and shameful. This is America after all, when did guilt by association become a way to destroy someone.

Posted by: lumi21us | March 14, 2008 10:21 PM
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Guilt by association?! Be careful, lumi21us, you might give some rational fool a stroke with that yawning, springtime synopsis of Obama's relationship with his Pastor.

Pick up a chilled Bud, roll it against your forehead and listen to what an earlier poster said:

"There is an undeniable close knit 20 year relationship between the
pastor and Obama. I gather, the Pastor married Barrack and Michelle,
baptized his children, dedicated Obama's house, has been his "sounding
board" for all that time. The title of Obama's book "Audacity of Hope"
is from the Pastor's sermon. From WSJ I gather, the Pastor was one of
the first people Obama thanked after his election to the Senate in
2004. That, Obama consulted him before deciding to run for president
and prayed privately with him before announcing his candidacy last
year. How can one distance oneself from this deep and this long a
relationship? That would be akin to trying to distance yourself from
half your life. Won't it?"

Let me sum it for you. Obama is running to be the President of USA. And his spiritual advisor of 20 years is a guy who feels USA (God damn that country) is basically worse than Hitler.

Posted by: aamittal | March 14, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

deminFLA:

The "Reverend" Wright was simply polling too high of negatives for the Obama campaign anymore, that's all -- politics like normal.

Posted by: JakeD | March 14, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Good question, marnes1 ; )

Posted by: JakeD | March 14, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters: the difference between Falwell, etc and Wright is that George Bush didn't call someone who is a racist and hates America his "spiritual" advisor nor did he attend such a person's church for 20 years. It is not okay for a future president of the US to have not left that church, to have not renounced that man sooner. Obama's entire campaign has been about uniting..he can't unite now. So don't compare Wright's relationship to Obama to Falwell or Billy Graham. Wright has been Obama's mentor and a man he admires. It can only follow that he respects his views. It's just not the same thing as past presidents. He can't be president and belong to a church that EVER went after white americans as this church has.

Posted by: deminFLA | March 14, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Third World, here we come! ... women and children first!

Posted by: trace-sc | March 14, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Let's give Obama the benefit of the doubt. Let us believe that he had no idea of the racist views and statements of his minister of 20 years. If he was unaware what was going on in his own church, can we count on him to know what is going on in the rest of the world. Can we trust someone so unaware, so blind to keep us safe from the dangers we face. Just a question.

Posted by: marnes1 | March 14, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

There are many white people in America that would never vote for Obama no matter what his credentials stated. No matter what Obama's pastor stated (much of which is true) The majority of bigots will always be white.

Posted by: adamhyoung | March 14, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

The contrived controversy regarding Pastor Wright is to counter the effects of the racebaiting done by the Clinton campaign. First, take a close look at Pastor Wright. He is not African American. He is bi-racial like Sen. Obama. Also, Pastor Wright is a retired marine. How many real African American were in the Marines who are the same age as Pastor Wright? I would imagine if the newsmedia would release pictures of Pastor Wright when he was younger, you'd probably only with great difficulty be able to tell the difference between him and the white marine standing next to him.

Second, as an extremely fair skin "black person" Pastor Wright has had advantages I didn't have as a dark skin African American. Many people, both black and white can accept his racially tinged social justice rhetoric because most people understand that it comes out of his rejection by both black and and whites in America. No newsmedia outlet is going to acknowledge this fact because to acknowledge Pastor Wright is bi-racial is to give credence to his claims on the one hand and to show how ridiculous they are on the other. Pastor Wright has benefited from his light complexion.

Sen Obama did not grow up in black America. He doesn't have the same sense of rage that many black men have. He embodies the change in mindset that I would like to see many, many African American men embrace. Even though Clinton has used race to dismiss him, to fearmonger to whites, to challenge his competency, he still believes that if he doesn't win the nomination its because of the issues and not the color of his skin. Now how amazing is that?

Sen. Obama represents the best of African American and American European culture. He is a good husband. He is a good father. He is hard working. He demonstrates his values through his actions. He got rid of the policy adviser who called Clinton a monster. He removed Pastor Wright from his campaign and responded in detail about how he felt about Pastor Wright's remarks and sermons.

I don't think he should disown Pastor Wright his friend and "play uncle". Just like I wouldn't suggest Clinton leave her husband after cheating on her over and over again and humiliating her as First Lady.

I was a lifelong Republican and changed my party affiliation to caucus for Sen. Obama. Everytime he's been confronted with what the newsmedia referred to as a crisis, he's handled it in a very presidential way. He's the kind of president that I want. I don't need perfect. I need someone that will take responsibility for both the good and bad. He's done that and continues to do that. I think he's amazing. I just wish I was just a little bit like him.

Hillary Clinton is not going win another primary or caucus contest. Someone is going to unload on Hillary and Bill and it won't be Sen. Obama. I imagine it will be some of their very, very wealthy contributors.

Posted by: gametheory | March 14, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama has sat in this pastor's church, heard his sermons for two DECADES, but now, suddenly, he is shocked at his pastor's views. If the liberal media had trained just 1% of the microscope they've had Hilary under, this would have come out much sooner and Hilary would be the nominee already.

It's definitely not too late to elect a true individual and leader, but it had better not be Obama--for all our sakes.

Posted by: Bi1lMe | March 14, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama and those that try to defend him and his church are racist anti-Americans. Period!! Give it up, Obamabots, he will not be President!

Posted by: mo897 | March 14, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

With Michelle Obama's thesis on "white oppressors" and now this, it's clear where the Obamas stand. They're dividers-not uniters. His voting record confirms this.

Posted by: Digitalman08 | March 14, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse


Obama acknowledges indicted businessman helped raise up to $250,000 for his campaigns

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/14/ap/politics/main3940981.shtml

Posted by: vammap | March 14, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

By the way, thanks to Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld et.al, we already are a second class country on human rights!

Posted by: trace-sc | March 14, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Read about the Bush go to guy for God... he is none other than the "beloved" Billy Graham who sat around in the White House with Nixon and made scathing remarks about the Jews... http://www.rense.com/general20/billy.htm
After that he was the spiritual adviser for the Bush family and even helped W kick booze or so we are told.

Posted by: Rosa2 | March 14, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

What Mr. Obamba said about his minister is not enough. He did not disavow that person totally... Its not enough... What that preacher said was racist and anti-semetic. Mr.Obamaba has to disavow the man entirely like the white folk did to the KKK. Mr Jackson and Mr. Sharpton need to disavow this indivdual...This is not enough by teh man that wants to be our next President. This is not a video game he is fast learning...

Posted by: robinhood2 | March 14, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Democrats Seek Condemnation of Bob Jones University
By Bob Melvin
CNS Evening Editor
29 February, 2000

(CNSNews.com) - Democrats pushed for a resolution on Tuesday to condemn Bob Jones University, the Christian school in South Carolina that has been at the core of an uproar involving GOP presidential candidate George W Bush.

The resolution, introduced in both the House and the Senate, is likely to cause a partisan fight with Republicans, most of whom are backing the Texas governor.

Wire services report that Bush has been under fire since he appeared at the school while campaigning for the South Carolina primary earlier this month.

Democrats insisted lawmakers have a duty to denounce the school. Some complained that Bush's apology didn't go far enough because he did not address the school's position on minorities.

"I think it's important for the Congress of the United States to have the last word," said Senator Robert Torricelli (D-NJ).
Added Senator Harry Reid (D-NV), "George W Bush's stop at Bob Jones University has turned over a rock under which has lived all sorts of bigoted practices."

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=%5CPolitics%5Carchive%5C200002%5CPOL20000229h.html

Posted by: amazd | March 14, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Now let's have a cheer for GEORGH WALKER BUSH---!

MAY IT NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Having George Bush as President and D1ck Cheney as VP has lowered american standards, values and expectations, but the longer the campaign goes on it becomes evident that we are getting into a real mess.

How come we arrived to the conclusion that among the three characters still in the race, is the best person to lead the country, restore American values and stand for the so called Free World?

These days anything goes, and that is scary! Perhaps Bush and Cheney are beginning to realize they could have a better paragraph in history and to think: After us, chaos!

Having said that, the remaining question is: which member of this trio will be able to provide the safety net and keep us away from this nightmare?

There is no room for platitudes or fancy scenarios. Either we make the right decision or we are at risk of becoming the first Superpower transformed into a second rate country by a fast-track process and it's own will!

Posted by: trace-sc | March 14, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama's 20 plus year involvement in a church that teaches racism, hatred of America, anti-semitism, close affiliation with Louis Farakhan, Libya among many other things is very alarming at the least. This man can never, ever become President of the United States...

Posted by: charko825 | March 14, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

That's a great quote from Charlie Black, by the way, about how endorsers are required to support their candidate's words, not the other way around. McCain's candidacy will be a refreshing change of pace from the gutter politics that the electorate seems to take for granted these days.

Posted by: davestickler | March 14, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

GEEZ, THIS OVERKILL!!!
Barack, listen up-----
VP? TAKE IT!!!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

"Young voters voted in droves for Anderson and were tricked into hating Carter. So they got Reagan for 8 years. Dumb is repeated generation after generation."

No joke. They voted in droves for Eugene McCarthy, George McGovern and Bobby Kennedy... then they got an assination, a really screwed up convention, a riot, and finally they got Hubert Humphrey going down in flames to Richard Nixon.

Posted by: plaza04433 | March 14, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

That what happens when u hang around religious freaks....all religious freaks are same ....They think they entitled to say what ever they want...

Posted by: avazi10 | March 14, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

How many turds in the punch bowl do you idiots need to find before you realize that Obama is not who he says he is?

Posted by: Digitalman08 | March 14, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

The way Obama is been treated is really disgusting and shameful. This is America after all, when did guilt by association become a way to destroy someone.

Posted by: lumi21us | March 14, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Young voters voted in droves for Anderson and were tricked into hating Carter. So they got Reagan for 8 years. Dumb is repeated generation after generation.

Posted by: hhkeller | March 14, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

When the pastor in your church says things that you "vehemently condemn", you usually walk out and go to another church in town the next Sunday. Not only did Obama keep going to the church for 20 years, he gave thousands in donations.

Posted by: Digitalman08 | March 14, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

We can't have a president who is not accountable for his actions.

Posted by: katieryan01 | March 14, 2008 08:53 PM
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Where have you been the last seven years sweetheart?


Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 08:57 PM

Harried, sweetheart, your mockery belittles the issue.

Posted by: katieryan01 | March 14, 2008 10:09 PM

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ISSUES?

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm more convinced than ever that Obama represents an historical change of an immense proportion.

It's not a case that Obama will get the overwhelming majority of the young votes and is inspiring a lot of new voters in November.

Most of the posts here still makes me think America is going backwards instead of forwards... But HISTORY never goes BACKWARDS.

So we have three choices: make a step towards the future or make a step towards the future or make a step towards the future. And tell me sincerely what the hell have the Clintons and the Republicans in common with the future?

It's time for a new coalition of voters!

Posted by: stearm | March 14, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

"If we were to ascribe guilt by association to all presidential candidates.."

That is true, and that is not the point. The point is that Obama has lied about stuff he really didn't have to. What other lies will he tell?? How is that for an issue?

Posted by: plaza04433 | March 14, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.'s explanation of the 9/11 attacks is correct.

He undoubtedly understands that no explanation justifies or excuses them.

Posted by: billappledorf | March 14, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

We can't have a president who is not accountable for his actions.

Posted by: katieryan01 | March 14, 2008 08:53 PM
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Where have you been the last seven years sweetheart?


Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 08:57 PM

Harried, sweetheart, your mockery belittles the issue.

Posted by: katieryan01 | March 14, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

My first post was so spot-on, I thought I'd post it again:

So we're supposed to believe that after 20 years and after thousands of dollars in donations by Obama that he did not have any indication of Wright's radical veiws? If that lie isn't bad enough, it's even worse that Obama is selling out his own "peeps" by conveniently disassociating himself with Wright.

What a coward. It's hell being trapped in your own web of lies, isn't Obama?

Posted by: Digitalman08 | March 14, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

I once belonged to a church that did allow women or blacks to be elders and let me tell you it did not take me 20 years to find another church. More like less than a month. Religion is supposed to teach love and quality and NOT be divisive. When you keep going to a church for 20 years it is pretty unbelievable that you would not know what values they espouse. Gee Obama sounds more and more like your typical politician. Yada yada yada

Posted by: consignjp | March 14, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

If we were to ascribe guilt by association to all presidential candidates with ties to some disagreeable person or other, then there would be nobody left to run the country.

Obama has repudiated Wright's comments, Clinton has repudiated Ferraro's comments, McCain has repudiated Cunningham's comments.

Enough is enough. Can we get back to discussing the issues please?

Posted by: gregguevara | March 14, 2008 09:54 PM
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OK! I THINK THE NEW YORK YANKEES ARE STUPID AND THE NEW YORK METROPOLITANS ARE SMART! I'm 6 MONTHS OLD AND I NEED A CHANGE!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | March 14, 2008 10:04 PM

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

What is this? I feel as De Niro in Awakenings!

Posted by: trace-sc | March 14, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

This does not bother me as much as Obama changing his story three times since Nov of 2006 about Tony Rezko. First, he has barely heard of him. Then he remembers he does know him. Now he's admitting to using Rezko's house at Geneva Lake, having dinner parties with his, jeez. First its $50,000 dollars he got from Rezko, then $168,000, and now its "$250,000, I don't really know."

Right. He has been lying his ass off about this guy, and is trying to use this flap about this psyco pastor to "bury" the real story today... that so far he has consistently lied about his relationship with Rezko.

He could have come clean up front, but he didn't. Protecting his bid for president was more important that leveling with the public, even though so far (yeah, who knows what other shoe will drop) it appears he was only stupid to get involved with Rezko, and did not (hopefully) do anything worse.

Obama's a Lightweight.

Posted by: plaza04433 | March 14, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

So we're supposed to believe that after 20 years and after thousands of dollars in donations by Obama that he did not have any indication of Wright's radical veiws? If that lie isn't bad enough, it's even worse that Obama is selling out his own "peeps" by conveniently disassociating himself with Wright.

What a coward. It's hell being trapped in your own web of lies, isn't Obama?

Posted by: Digitalman08 | March 14, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Well,now I guess we know what Obama meant by CHANGE. He's going to CHANGE the way America really is, to the America that Wright's twisted mind talks about. We can ALL hate one another; we can ALL hate our neighbors, we can ALL hate our country.

Now I get it.

Posted by: waterfrontproperty | March 14, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Adam,

Often in the US in the past- we had a "parade lookig for a leader"- we had issues, we knew what they were (civil rights, ending poverty, etc.) and we the people came together and found the right leaders (Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Kennedy (although his actual presidency wasn't all that good- LBJ got the rest of his agenda done).

The Obama thing is not a parade looking for a leader. It is a leader believing that he is the leader of a parade, and the paraders following him- what are his issues? Change- sorry, during my lifetime, McGovern, Carter, Reagan, Dukakis, Clinton, Perot, and George W have run on the word change. Change is not a policy- it is a theme. When policies are lacking to implement change than it is no more than rhetoric. A slogan.

Obama's campaign has been run brilliantly in the most political sense- since he is the ultimate politician. He has promised the MTV generation, with it's goldfish like attention span some undefinable meaning in their lives. But there is no there there. This is not a movement- this is one charismatic guy getting a whole lot of people to rally behind him for an undefined something. That is why this preacher is important. In his book, he talks about the importance of Rev. Wright to his life- this is a man of influence. I don't think that the Rev. is all wrong- but I think that the majority of Americans would disagree with him. This is not his economics aid slipping and giving the campaigns real underlying theme about her or a former vice presidential candidate slipping and giving an honest opinion about why he is where he is despite his shortcomings- this is a major factor in his life. If he is the nominee, expect the sermons to run on the television from August through November.

Leon

Posted by: nycLeon | March 14, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

The forceful repudiation is a little bit too late. Mr Wright doesn't make such comments for first time. Barack Obama heard a lot of such comments, or even stronger, at the South Side church he has called home for two decades, but more likely was agreed with. Why he did not repudiate it then??? Why he stayed there for 2 decades listening rasist, antisemitic, and such as "God damn USA" comments??? Now it's become understandable why Michele Barack said that only right now she become proud of the USA, not before, when she and her husband listened to Mr. Wright for 2 decades. If they repudiated Mr. Wright remarks at first time they heard it, it would be in time. But to repudiate it now with "anger and pain", 2 decades later, is ridicously wrong and very, very late.

Posted by: shayan_ | March 14, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I urge any fair minded person with time to listen to the audio tapes of the Chicago tribune's extensive interviews with Obama.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-obama-rezkomar15,0,2968927.story

Posted by: collacch | March 14, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

If we were to ascribe guilt by association to all presidential candidates with ties to some disagreeable person or other, then there would be nobody left to run the country.

Obama has repudiated Wright's comments, Clinton has repudiated Ferraro's comments, McCain has repudiated Cunningham's comments.

Enough is enough. Can we get back to discussing the issues please?

Posted by: gregguevara | March 14, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey Svreader guy: I wanted Edwards in 04 so my chump change went to him. One thing about Barack I can't figure. WHERE DID ALL THAT MONEY COME FROM? -- 9,000,000 $/Min?

WHEN YOU SEE BIG MONEY YOU SEE BIG SIN!!!!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

This is utterly nuts. I am sure a majority of people disagree with their clergyman's sermons much of the time.

Posted by: wehwalt | March 14, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Its truly frightening that some Obama supporters are so entranced that they'd forgive him for anything.

The fact that people post in favor of Obama when presented with repeated evidence of just how horrible a human being he is shows how dangerous a "cult of personality" can become.

The rise and fall of Obama will go down in
history as a warning to future generations.

Posted by: svreader | March 14, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

someone posted:
"As a member of Trinity United Church of Christ, I like to know if anyone could disprove any of Dr. Wright has said in the clips of his sermons that the media has shown?"
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It is hard to disprove insane rantings...where does one begin?

Now excuse me while I get some AIDS and drugs and give it to some black people.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 14, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

I never heard any of this. Ever. Not in my church!

Democrats have given up the presidency which was theirs for the taking. How badly bungled!

Posted by: postlogin | March 14, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually really glad this conversation is occurring now. There's a radio duo here in LA, Frangela on Saturdays that has discussed this pastor (one or both comes from Chicago). They said that his congregation did incredibly good things in the community -- food banks, health initiatives etc. all sorts of social action, not just talk, BUT also said that his revolutionary theology used strong, divisive afro-centric language. So this had to come out and it's best it happened at this lull in the campaign and on the heels of the Ferraro debacle. Now I'm a Catholic -- and I'll be damned if I'd want to be judged by some of the kooky pronouncements of some of my prelates. And I just saw Sen. Obama on Keith Olbermann and he said he'd try to use this episode to actually have a REAL conversation about race in America -- dicy but probably necessary after the last couple of weeks. He noted the pastor as being a former Marine but also a veteran of the Civil Rights struggle -- and noted that the pastor had an anger borne of Jim Crow laws and discrimination that Obama himself has never experienced. Quite a concept, to perhaps use a potentially divisive moment to unite, or at least build bridges that some can walk over, or not. I am a middle aged white woman; I'm originally from Kansas, spent 20 years in DC and now live in a lily white LA suburb. My father was a vocal racist (although I never saw him treat a black person rudely --all talk, no action) and my visceral hatred of that bigotry has informed my outlook. I credit my years living and working among DC's strong black middle and professional classes as reinforcing my views, but also giving me a broader understanding of the costs of racism. If anything has been proven true in these issues being raised is that here in America we really haven't been able to have open discussions about race -- there is no trust to permit anything but pc discussions, on both sides. Because I'm white, it's easier for me to say that historical costs of racial stereotypes are still alive and kicking; to say that it's not surprising that an older black man could be angry at being held in contempt by much of this country for much of his life; and not an outrageous possibility that alienation could be bred from such anger. I can also say that such anger, expressed so bluntly, makes white people nervous; serves as silly justification for those many retorts to the Black Panther revolutionary slogans of the '60s (well why don't you go back to Africa, then; America, love it or leave it); and serve as cannon fodder for 527s from here to November. It's sort of funny -- for a man that up to now has had to fight Internet rumors that he is a Muslim, this deeper dagger comes precisely because of his Christian faith. As I said, I'm hopeful that Sen. Obama can use this ugly rhetoric to start a real conversation and deeper healing. I still believe, just as I don't think the Clintons should be condemned because of embracing Billy Graham despite his anti-semitic talk, nor John McCain tarred because of the anti-Catholic insane theology of John Hegge (not to mention Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson et al's serial inanities over the years), that none of these candidates should be crucified because of the language of their supporters. As McCain said, the pastors are endorsing the candidates, not the other way around. Sen. Obama is directly responding to this and it will not diminish him. Yes we can!

Posted by: Omyobama | March 14, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama was not aware of Wright's beliefs on racism, zionism, AIDS, and the like until the press broke the story.

Kool.

Eliot Spitzer should have just claimed he didn't know "Kristen" was a prostitute until he read it in the Times. He could still be governor.

Posted by: WylieD | March 14, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Sen Obama,
Thank you for taking the time to express to us your thoughts and concerns. I really appreciate your efforts.
I knew that eventually certain Americans would do everything they could to undervalue, underestimate, and marginalize you.
My advice to you is to keep campaigning. Keep reaching out. Keep letting America hear you message.
In conclusion, I leave you with the words of the famous runaway slave Frederick Douglass:
"If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning."
Now I'm off to donate $100 more dollars...

Posted by: ggenerations | March 14, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama has a cute smile and a few good one liners (mostly borrowed). Don't look at his record of not fixing the housing in Chicago. Don't look at his votes to continue the war without oversight. Just be a dope and vote.

Posted by: hhkeller | March 14, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Full meltdown.

His run is over.

Posted by: postlogin | March 14, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Let's see----Oh yeah, I will now perform my magic trick----from Mom-to-Mom----,,,WHATEVER!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually really glad this conversation is occurring now. There's a radio duo here in LA, Frangela on Saturdays that has discussed this pastor (one or both comes from Chicago). They said that his congregation did incredibly good things in the community -- food banks, health initiatives etc. all sorts of social action, not just talk, BUT also said that his revolutionary theology used strong, divisive afro-centric language. So this had to come out and it's best it happened at this lull in the campaign and on the heels of the Ferraro debacle. Now I'm a Catholic -- and I'll be damned if I'd want to be judged by some of the kooky pronouncements of some of my prelates. And I just saw Sen. Obama on Keith Olbermann and he said he'd try to use this episode to actually have a REAL conversation about race in America -- dicy but probably necessary after the last couple of weeks. He noted the pastor as being a former Marine but also a veteran of the Civil Rights struggle -- and noted that the pastor had an anger borne of Jim Crow laws and discrimination that Obama himself has never experienced. Quite a concept, to perhaps use a potentially divisive moment to unite, or at least build bridges that some can walk over, or not. I am a middle aged white woman; I'm originally from Kansas, spent 20 years in DC and now live in a lily white LA suburb. My father was a vocal racist (although I never saw him treat a black person rudely --all talk, no action) and my visceral hatred of that bigotry has informed my outlook. I credit my years living and working among DC's strong black middle and professional classes as reinforcing my views, but also giving me a broader understanding of the costs of racism. If anything has been proven true in these issues being raised is that here in America we really haven't been able to have open discussions about race -- there is no trust to permit anything but pc discussions, on both sides. Because I'm white, it's easier for me to say that historical costs of racial stereotypes are still alive and kicking; to say that it's not surprising that an older black man could be angry at being held in contempt by much of this country for much of his life; and not an outrageous possibility that alienation could be bred from such anger. I can also say that such anger, expressed so bluntly, makes white people nervous; serves as silly justification for those many retorts to the Black Panther revolutionary slogans of the '60s (well why don't you go back to Africa, then; America, love it or leave it); and serve as cannon fodder for 527s from here to November. It's sort of funny -- for a man that up to now has had to fight Internet rumors that he is a Muslim, this deeper dagger comes precisely because of his Christian faith. As I said, I'm hopeful that Sen. Obama can use this ugly rhetoric to start a real conversation and deeper healing. I still believe, just as I don't think the Clintons should be condemned because of embracing Billy Graham despite his anti-semitic talk, nor John McCain tarred because of the anti-Catholic insane theology of John Hegge (not to mention Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson et al's serial inanities over the years), that none of these candidates should be crucified because of the language of their supporters. As McCain said, the pastors are endorsing the candidates, not the other way around. Sen. Obama is directly responding to this and it will not diminish him. Yes we can!

Posted by: Omyobama | March 14, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully Obama will drop out by tomorrow.

Now that his teflon is gone, the floodgates are going to open.

Obama has done things far, far, worse than this.

The sooner he drops out, the less stuff about him will come out in the press.

He's actually lucky its ending this way.

It could have been much, much, worse.

Thank God its over!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 14, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Much ado about nothing. All a big misremembering.

Posted by: postlogin | March 14, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Is this a guy we really want a pres - his pastor hates the US, his wife is in the same boat until he started running for pres. Maybe Rev should do some checking first- the Irish came over as indentured servants/slaves; the English brought them over and they died in the thousands building this country and then in fighting a war against the South. So, please, spare me the racist/hatred/you owe me crap. Another thing, the Rev ranks right up there with the evangelical hpocrits - I think God said it best - Judge not less you be judged. Meaning - keep your hands off his territory, stuff your narrow minded thoughts and leave the big stuff to someone much better at it than you.

Posted by: zendrell | March 14, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Stuttering now. Tripped up by the facts again.

Posted by: postlogin | March 14, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm wondering how many folks posting to this actually go to church on a regular basis. I think if you did you would realize that the sermons from the video tapes are perhaps three out of a 40 year preaching career. No one preaches the same sermon or the same tone every week.

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May not the same sermon...but they preach the same theme.

Posted by: badger3 | March 14, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS GONNA GET UGLY REAL FAST!!!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

He's like my Uncle.

Posted by: postlogin | March 14, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama is double talking and squirming badly on Fox right now.

Posted by: postlogin | March 14, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse


"It's impossible to justify 20 years, and only just now do something about it..."

Wrong, possible to justify. How representative were those quotes to his usual sermons?? You don't know and that is a fact! Obama says it wasn't.

Posted by: info23 | March 14, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Wow.

Racists gone wild.

The serious prospect of a colored person, let alone a negro, becoming the next President of the United States.

His supporters and his haters lose it.

Fox will have Ferraro v. Wright with Sharpton and Savage as moderators.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 14, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

"Barack Obama either agreed with what was preached from the Trinity pulpit, or he tuned it out and stayed around pretending to for political reasons. To say he stayed for 20 years but doesn't agree with Wright's preaching is incredible denial. It'd be like a man buying White Sox season tickets for 20 years, attending the games, and saying he's not a fan." -anon

Taking his kids every week to hear sermons of hate is child abuse.

Posted by: hhkeller | March 14, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Young Obama supporters...The majority of the population just aren't as enlightend as you. Most of America will find the sermon extremely offensive. This is not a guy that simply endorsed your Messiah...this is the Messiah's John the Baptist.....

The Right Wing will not let go of it. The middle class will be appalled by it. Heck even the Liberal elites may not be real comfortable with it. The rest of you Obama supporters...you're by yourself.

Posted by: badger3 | March 14, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I CAN PUT THIS DEBATE TO BED RIGHT NOW WITH THREE WORDS: stem cell research.

Catholics, Baptists, Jews, Muslims, etc, all disagree with stem cell research EVEN WHEN THE STEM CELLS ARE HARVESTED FROM THE UMBILICAL CORDS of naturally born, living children.

70% of the country agrees with it. You CAN disagree with the leadership of your church and still be a great guy.

I think that Catholics who disagree with me should have justify the Church's handling of the child abuse crisis.


TO: trace-sc, March 14, 2008 06:23 PM

I'm glad you wouldn't take a glass of water from Obama in the "dessert". But, that would be hard because dessert is the course that comes after the entree.

Posted by: illclinton | March 14, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Do Obama's children hate America?

We know his wife is ashamed of America.

His pastor hates America.

What lies in Obama's soul? He is too smart to say the truth like his wife.

Obama's children have been subjected to this abusive words and thoughts through out their life.

Forget about Presidency, is Obama fit to be parent of his children?

Posted by: SeedofChange | March 14, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

"And I agree with the ideas behind what Wright expressed. Just not the way he said them."

I totally disagree with Wright's statements, but they sound a lot better on paper than in audio. Reading them in news accounts, they seem like typical leftist stuff. Blame America etc.

I totally disagree with this, although of course America is not perfect and has done some bad stuff, especially to minorities.

I wonder if black commentators wll relate more to his comments. It's obviously easy for a bunch of white people who have never been discriminated against, made fun of, excluded to point fingers at all the anger. But there's got to be a reason for the anger. I'm willing to bet that a lot of the FoxNews outrage is from white people who have no black neighbors and of course have never been in a black church. Many black communities are hurting, and white America mostly ignores it, and that's a fact.

What's amazing is Obama himself doesn't seem to be harmed by racism. It's all the more remarkable how well adjusted, confident and basically nice he is. I think that is part of his appeal -- he seems to promise that maybe we can overcome it too. As we've seen in this campaign, easier said than done.

Posted by: info23 | March 14, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

Controversial Minister off Obama Campaign

It's impossible to justify 20 years, and only just now do something about it...

Posted by: vammap | March 14, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, Obama chooses poor mentors and friends. In addition to the Wright situation, there was Frank, the man he refers to in his books. He was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. Obama also had a relationship with a socialist's organization in Illinois dating back to 1996. And, of course, there's the Tony Rezko relationship that's in question. Rezko got money from a money launderer for Saddam Hussein shortly before Rezko and Obama purchased adjoining real estate on the same day. While Rezko was donating money to Obama's campaign, he was leaving low-income residents of Chicago with horrible living conditions in the building he had received federal funds to renovate and maintain. It's hard enough to imagine that someone so bright would choose these kind of people as mentors and friends. It's even harder to imagine that he would maintain these relationships over that long a period of time.

Posted by: dl569 | March 14, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Duh....

The only thing that an Obama supporter can do at this point, when all illusion is negated, is chuck the political signs and go home. The relief that they will find is that they did not contribute any more time to this man and his hidden evil political
agenda.

Come on, you have at one point seen a film clip of Jim Jones, Hitler, Mussolini, Maharishis or Idi Amin leading the innocent
who long for peace and unity down the primrose path to disaster. You are not uneducated.

Twenty three years of sermons-incendiary, rabble rousing, racist, anti American, anti-white, anti-European, et al sermons-that is what inspired Barack Hussein Obama.He tied Obama and his wife's knot, christened his 2 children, was at the new home for the moving in and for dinners. He even gave him the title of his book.

The only problem is that word got out about who this scum bag "pastor" is. Of course he is going to denounce his father figure pastor-he is so close to the presidency!Duh...

What do we know?

1-Barack's wife hates her country. Her views more than likely mirror the "pastor's."

2-Barack just announced that he took more money from Rezko than previously announced. Rezko is the indicted extortionist, money launderer payoff guy for the mob. He claims that it was a lapse in judgement. I think that most people know mob money when they get it from someone whom they personally know.

3- Obama's house purchaseand an extra lot was arranged by Mr. Rezko. Hundreds of thousands of dollars less than market were shaved off by the mob-backed Rezko.

4-He has friendships with known terrorists who hate America and have proclaimed that they wish they had destroyed more when they could-members of the "Weathermen"-terrorists. He socializes with them.

What is the "Audacity of Hope?" It is the audacity of any American of hoping that this
unmasked actor, trained by his "pastor" in fiery speech, is anything other than a Machiavellian, America-hating demon in sheep's clothing (this is the person whom the saying was made for) who will bring great evil upon our nation if citizens do not inform themselves and reject the possible terrorist.

How much clearer does it have to be?

Posted by: usa1citizen | March 14, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the wackos are out in force, I see. Let me just say that Barack Obama responded perfectly to this 'controversy.' I'm more impressed with him all the time.

Posted by: info23 | March 14, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse


Now how can anyone expect to believe Barack HUSSEIN Obama... he has distanced himself from his former pastor.

As my old daddy said, " something ain't right in the wood shed'. Hussein Obama attends the SAME church for over 20 years, takes his wife to church (she is FINALLY proud of being American, seems to be anti-white because of the way she MAY have been treated growing up.) And HUSSEIN Obam, and then he can not support his pastor.

Now what is wrong with that picture, EITHER
HUSSEIN Obama or his WIFE believed in what his Partor was preaching on Sundays... or THEY WOULD HAVE gone to another CHURCH.

Another klink in the SHINNING KNIGHTS ARMOR..

Mainstream media will down play this with some more smoke and mirrors and the Clintons will be at fault.

Our will this be someone else playing the 'race card.'

Bet HUSSEIN Obama tape dances out of this one as well... OR BLAMES THE CLINTONS..

Posted by: miller51550 | March 14, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Stop it.

I grew up in a convent. Posted by: shrink2 | March 14, 2008 09:00 PM

___________________________

Now this INTRO is a first!!!!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

What about McCain's pastor, John Hagee..He's put out some wacky ideas also, but he's not being torn apart by the media..talk about hypocrisy.

Posted by: Gary_3603 | March 14, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm extremely disappointed in Obama.

In fact, there's nothing wrong about Wright's comments, and there's absolutely nothing for Obama to apologize for or even distance himself from.

I'll go even further: Obama should invite Wright along on his campaign appearances, so he can spread his spiritual guidance to all of America.

Obama is a true fighter for justice, and as president he'll be sure to put Wright's advice to good use running the country!

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | March 14, 2008 06:44 PM

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I am a Hillary supporter and I totally agree with your post. Please please please Obama take the Rev along with you on your campaign appearances.

Posted by: badger3 | March 14, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Another Obama supporter who can't make a cogent point. Many of us, hopefully do not all live or abide by hillcountry's ethics. It's the same thing as enduring abuse, when you have the choice not to; we have choices. What this tells a great number of people is that Obama's connections to anti-white, anti-Jew, anti-American leaders in the Black community, constitutes a moral and ehtical problem that at least half of the country could not ignore.

Posted by: vammap | March 14, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Imagine if the Clinton's went to the same Church for 20 years and their minister preached such incrediable racist and hate filled sermons. She'd be forced out of the campaign.

I think this is a fatal blow for his campaign. His core supporters won't think so because their love for him is undying. What matters is what the general popululation thinks of him. I wonder what the people in PA think of the tape?

Posted by: badger3 | March 14, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. --- is a six year veteran of the U.S. Marine Corps and United States Navy. He is a civil rights era preacher who recently stepped far over the line in his sermons about the country he served in uniform. His remarks have been repudiated by Barack Obama and Rev. Wright is retiring from his spiritual leadership of the 6000 member congregation in which Barack Obama and his family were regular church attendees.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | March 14, 2008 09:10 PM
___________________________

When you stand up and say "THIS IS WRONG" the people who did and do "THE WRONG" will try and silence you!!!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Its good that Obama's dropping out of the race.

The probem I have is that he should have been forced to drop out long ago because of what he did in Chicago.

What Obama did, and failed to do, in Chicago, led to suffering and death for the poorest of the poor.

Isn't causing suffering and death by failing to do your job worse than insulting someone by your words?

What kind of values do we have as a nation?

Posted by: svreader | March 14, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

.......you kind of wonder who are going to all these blogs and posting this sh*t.

the whispering campaign that obama's a Muslim

(he's not, but who cares?)

.....now about his pastor.....(as if anyone cares?

geez, who are these people???

I have my guess...some, of course are hillary's people...

some, of course, are McCain's supporters.


..........but I think the vast majority don't really care if it's McCain or Hllary...'cause both are in their lobby's pockets.... but they're afraid of Barack...'cause he's not.

....just another reason I'll be working for OBAMA!

Posted by: kevinlarmee | March 14, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

It's a sad day, when as a Democrat, the only news channel taking this seriously and asking the hard questions is Fox News.

I think I just threw up a little bit.

Oh Obama... how disappointing. I thought you were different.

Posted by: jkwuaccounts | March 14, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. --- is a six year veteran of the U.S. Marine Corps and United States Navy. He is a civil rights era preacher who recently stepped far over the line in his sermons about the country he served in uniform. His remarks have been repudiated by Barack Obama and Rev. Wright is retiring from his spiritual leadership of the 6000 member congregation in which Barack Obama and his family were regular church attendees.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | March 14, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Well we still got "UNCLE REMUS"!!!
ZIPP-a-DEE-Do_DA---ZIPP-a-De-A!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obamma must fight back! He can't win if he just keep say'n " YA'LL JUST A BUNCH OF WHITE HONKIES"! Even if it is the thruth!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Would someone please break svreader's keyboard so he/she/it stops posting the same message over and over and over and...

Posted by: wj_phillips | March 14, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

For those of you that say this does not matter.......... you are not running for President for ALL of the people of AMERICA, Obama is! He has had a free pass. And it is over. He should concede! NOW! We do not want his type of unity leading our country! Period!

Posted by: Texan2007 | March 14, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Let's see... Obama has been a member of this "church" for how long now? And he only now "condemns" the Reverend Wright's remarks?

Let's turn this around. If Hillary Clinton had attended a controversial church, she would have been crucified. But the media are only now grabbing on to this story.

This is a perfect example of the free ride Sen. Clinton has been talking about. The mainstream media have been tacitly and implicitly endorsed Obama without hesitation. This is the "vetting" Clinton has talked about for a long time.

I can already see the commercials on TV from the GOP. It starts with a newsclip of Reverend Wright screaming at the top of his lungs, "God damn America." It will be repeated mercilessly, and at the end of the commercial, the announcer will say, Obama. "Is this who you want to be your next president?"

This is not an inconsequential story. It goes to the heart of Obama's judgment that he so frequently talks about. His only "judgment" so far is he gave a speech about his opposition to the Iraq war and he chose to remain a member of an all-Black church that preaches racism.

Ah... racism. Isn't this what Obama supporters have been crying about? It's OK to attend a racist church, but Geraldine Ferraro can't make comments about Obama? This is the double standard that's prevalent in this country. We have been accustomed to being "politically correct" in fear of being labeled a racist.

It's time to tell the truth about Obama, and the truth ain't pretty. If he's allowed to become the Democratic nominee, we can begin saying "President McCain" on Jan. 20, 2009

Posted by: robcmor | March 14, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Politico is now reporting that Rev. Wright has left Obama's campaign.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Wright_leaves_Obama_campaign.html

Posted by: autowx | March 14, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Stop it.

I grew up in a convent. I could get in line for one of those catholic church suits, sorry to say.

While Mr. Obama is just now going to decide; he needs to figure out how to leave his church.

I can say this.

Obama learned why people hate at his church.

The Bush crowd learned what to hate
(worship your money - destroy the enemy).

The Clintons. It is all about the Clintons. They are the church of the Clintons.

Obama will now either despise his church, or he will die a deserved death.

Hate is the disaster.
Love is the answer.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 14, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Never mind which of the pastor's sermons Obama agrees or disagrees with. What I want to know is, if Wright is now advising Obama in come capacity or other, what advice is Obama listening to?

Posted by: billmosby | March 14, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Just simply put! My fellow Americans, Barack Obama is the most dangerous presidential candidate that has ever set foot on the political stage in America. This is only the "tip of the iceberg" and much more is forthcoming. Be prepared to accept reality, because this Obama fella is a threat to our Republic and all of our democratic principles. He will almost single-handedly destroy this nation with the help of Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Ted Kennedy. This is no joke! Our nation's survival hangs in the balance and Obama supporters had better wake up. He is an empty suit, but he has an extremely sinister agenda and if elected President of the United States, it is going to be very, very ugly for all of us.

Posted by: LarkinGMead | March 14, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

American's have been BS'ed for so long they no longer know the truth when they see it.

Wright/Ferraro in '08

Posted by: thc1138 | March 14, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Well as an Obama supporter, I am appalled!!

This settles it!!!!!

I AM NOT VOTING for Obama's PASTOR !!

(of, course, his big crime is telling the truth)


(I am, of course, voting for Obama!)

Posted by: kevinlarmee | March 14, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm wondering how many folks posting to this actually go to church on a regular basis. I think if you did you would realize that the sermons from the video tapes are perhaps three out of a 40 year preaching career. No one preaches the same sermon or the same tone every week.

Posted by: fruthven | March 14, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

We can't have a president who is not accountable for his actions.

Posted by: katieryan01 | March 14, 2008 08:53 PM
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Where have you been the last seven years sweetheart?

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, Obama is SHOCKED, SHOCKED that the Rev. Wright ever said such things. Shocked, I tell you, SHOCKED!

Posted by: thinking2 | March 14, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

The fact that AMERICA dropped the bomb that incinerateded 100,000 and cancered generations. Oh that, it's progress!
The fact that America has starved Cuban children for fifty years, oh that, that's Political.
The fact that George Walker Bush is not dead, oh that,--- it's entitilement!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama must have slept through all the sermons.

Posted by: vettpf | March 14, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Here's the problem with Obama: No matter how strongly he rejects Rev. Wright's anti-American sentiment, his actions speak louder than his words. And, Obama's campaign is constantly telling voters to listen to his words, not his actions. We can't have a president who is not accountable for his actions.

Posted by: katieryan01 | March 14, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

A black man will be President but not this racist, America hater.

Posted by: postlogin | March 14, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

LOL

I go to Westboro Batist Church in Kansas. My pastor Fred Phelps is like an old uncle. He says some things I don't agree with. After 20 years, none of the things he says that I disagree with have rubbed off on me. Why would it matter what he says? He's just my pastor. That should not be a reflection on me!"

Posted by: hillcountry

Posted by: Alan5633 | March 14, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

My one solace is that most of the folks posting on this thread are folks that have posted approximately a million anit-Obama posts, many of which contain numerous falsehoods and lies.

Anyone who reads the WaPo regularly recognizes how pathetic these people are.

Who the heck cares about a guy's pastor, really? Sheesh.

If you want to wrap up all your anti-Obama rantings around this one thing and get some traction, go at it.

Posted by: steveboyington | March 14, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

dmooney,

You are as gullible as you are naive. The right wing is attacking Obama because he is the presumptive nominee. If HRC was leading by 100 delegates right now- and the superdelegates feared reprisals for not putting her over the top- then McCain would be attacking her. It is called electoral politics in the US. Welcome to it. If you paid any attention to history of anything else rather than just jumping on a bandwagon, maybe you would've known that.

Why are you using this format to talk about tax returns. That seems a little bit like not wanting to deal with an issue. Although I am a HRC supporter, I have educated myself on all of the candidates- which is what one should do when they are choosing- not with hearsay, but by getting on their web lists to see what they say, by looking through their websites and by reading anything they have written. So when you get a chance, read "Dreams of My Father". He talks about finding reverand Wright and the church and feeling connected. I don't think that the Rev. is all wrong, or should be silenced. His views, however, are not in agreement with the majority of Americans- and it will make it hard for Barak if he is the nominee, which at this point seems the most likely situation.

Leon

Posted by: nycLeon | March 14, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Really, who thinks this country will vote for a BLACK MAN? It's sad but true, this melting pot must boil over!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Txslatino2003,

Thanks for your response. Your point that racism does not justify racism is well taken.

However, what I was really wondering was whether Wright's remarks should be seen as racist at all. While he may be somewhat of a radical, it doesn't seem racist to me to point out that America is white supremacist. It seems like fact.

Perhaps I missed something. Did Wright say something that isn't mentioned in this article that is racist against white people?

-- Claudia

Posted by: claud334 | March 14, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Even if people are willing to concede the point that Wright's thoughts and beliefs aren't Obamas, that Wright's words aren't Obama's, etc. . .

No one on either side of the issue seems to believe Obama when he says he didn't know about Wright's speeches and opinions. He's either incredibly unaware, trusting and naive, or he's not telling the truth. Which of those qualifies him for the presidency?

Posted by: nlynnc | March 14, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

There's an obvious double standard at work here. When you think that Spitzer is getting more press because he had an extra marital affair, rather than vetting a Presidential candidate whose associative past has everything to do with the formation of his beliefs and values, it's a shocking failure of the media. That he is backing away from it now when it's politically imperative is disengenuous, pathetic.

Posted by: vammap | March 14, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Maybe this is the info the Clinton campaign said they had last fall on Obama.

Regardless, I'm saddened.

2008 held such promise.

Posted by: wsealsjr | March 14, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Just Curious,

What is this man's role in the Obama campaign?

Posted by: OneFreeMan | March 14, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

All of this criticism of Obama because of sermons his Pastor preached is bogus. Preachers, and I am one, are the only ones responsible for what they say from the pulpit. Preachers are called to be prophetic in their preaching which means speaking truth to power. While I would not endorse how Rev. Wright went about doing this, it was his right as the Preacher speak truth to power in the way he chose. Of course not everyone in a church agrees with all of our sermons and often we are roundly challenged and criticized for what we preach. Just because you disagree with some of your pastor's sermons does not mean you leave the church. First of all, the church is not the Pastor's. In fact, the Pastor is not even the main reason people belong to a church. Christ is the head of the Church, and those who belong are bound together in community with one another and with Christ striving to live faithfully and often falling short. To criticize Obama because his Pastor preached some sermons or even held some theological views that are controversial and with which Obama does not agree is absurd.

Posted by: fruthven | March 14, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Oh, you poor Obamanuts! The truth hurts. Your hero is just a glib crass lying politician with feet of clay!

You went to his medicine shows. Drank his snake oil and became intoxicated with his "wonderful" words.

The sober reality is beginning to hit you, and you feel betrayed. You remind me of the woman who asked the viper why he bit her after she cared for it, and the snake replied: you knew I was a snake when you picked me up.

All that is left for you to do is to drink the Kool Aide. My heart does not bleed for you Obamanuts. You're getting the betrayal your deserve!

Posted by: wj_phillips | March 14, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

It would be an obama-nation for him to get the nomination now. Obama is asking us to suspend our commonsense. No one goes to a church as radical as this, and is not aware of these types of comments.
Oprah should be ashamed for setting people up with Obama. She should, at the very least, research her political candidates as much as she does her book authors!

Posted by: paris1969 | March 14, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

This Rev. Wright and Obama fire storm is nothing compared to what will happen when the true story of Auchi (Saddam Hussein's money launderer and arms procurer with money stolen from the UN Oil for Food Program) - Auchi used the money to bribe foreign governments and to lend Rezko 3.5 million dollars illegally, some of which was spent to help Obama get the mansion that he and Michelle wanted but couldn't afford.

This story will be so hard on Obama. This story about Rev. Wright will be nothing compared to Obama's down and dirty Chicago political works. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 14, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

As a Republican I would like to thank Obama for ensuring that we will get four more years in the White House! Obama is toast! All the Republicans need to do is run these clips with the script running across them that this is Obama's spiritual advisor for the past twenty years.
There is NO WAY that Americans will elect this guy as their President! Sure he will carry the black vote and a few fringe white America haters but he don't have a prayer to win!

Posted by: algibbs | March 14, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Preachers, priests, ministers, et al, are never wrong. Just ask them. Then duck if you disagree. I still have sore spots from challenging the nuns.

The best thing that all politicians can do is stay the hell away from them. Don't campaign in their churches and keep them off of campaign committees. The "wall of separation" should start at the campaign level in order to prevent pervasive influence of an administration.

Posted by: dubhlaoich | March 14, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama's denunciation of Wright's horrific and outrageous statements should have made long time ago. His effort here is politically motivated and disingenuous on two fronts. First, it is impossible that all this time Obama has been a member Mr. wright has not made any offensive statements, because this all this guy does. Second he has made a number of statements since Obama has started running and only now Mr. Obama found time to address this issue probably due to the realization that he was loosing the white vote.
Obama's pastor has revealed Obama's true spiritual beliefs and this apologetic statement by Obama is all poltical maneuvering. He doesn' mean it, just like he didn't mean that he was against NAFTA.

Posted by: hbissias | March 14, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

It is the "Church" (Christan Scholars) duty to admonish it's preachers (leadership)when their messages get off track with what Jesus brought. Parishioners have a duty also to walk out on those who spend time in the pulpit not representing scripture in the best of tradition. Barack Obama has done this in strong terms. We are waiting to hear from the Church Scholars. Barack Obama is a Uniter. Church leadership as well as all right minded Believers could follow the example of parishioner Obama. I agree with Obama. I am one who understands the emotional message of personal hurt and blame. If no scriptural remedy is part of the message, then the message fails as it does with Reverend Wright. G'd is the Priority, His Forgiveness is Greater than His Punishment. We need to hear from those also who claim to disagree with the message, if they are serious about their "outrage" beyond Obama's condemnation. Failure to do so is worse than that which has caused such a furor. Again Barack has shown Presidential qualities in addressing what is a non story sensationalized to be something that has nothing to do with the issues.

Posted by: dmscontractor | March 14, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Give Obama a break . . . he's getting between 80 and 90% of the black vote already, why should he want to stir things up anymore and run the risk of looking bad.

However if the white vote was going to Hillary at just 70%, we'd be hearing about those bigioted white voters voting for the more experienced candidate. . . . . Remember how the media ranted and ranted and ranted on Bill Clinton for suggesting the obvious, that Obama's campaign was a little like Jessie Jackson's? . . . . Let's face it, if you're white ie Ferraro, you better not whisper about what is correct and obvious or you'll be accussed of playing the "race card". . . . Although Obama is a walking race card, just by being himself.

Of course Obama can't help it, but then why hammer people close to Hillary whenever they point out the obvious. Because it is true, if Obama was white, black would not be voting for him and his second rate Health Care Plan. The only reason he's getting 90% of the black vote is because he's black.

Posted by: coldcomfort | March 14, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

McCain - you should be ashamed.

The implicit treatment of black people who suffered slavery and yet they cannot refer to this with anger. Black people have dispropotionately fought for the USA in war and this is what they get. Hillary's tactics are working and McCain wants to run against Clinton so that the USA can finally bankrupt itself on the cost of the Iraq war which according to McCain could be 100 years. I watched an Iragi man with no legs due to a bomb and saw his poor wife looking after him on CNN - hundreds of thousands of Iraqis killed because of the USA led war and millions of family members feeling tragedy. Does he have a right to be angry with the USA? Barack transcends race - see the picture of his White mom holding him and listen to this man who is being subject to the attacks of vengeful people. I am Catholic and am saddened and angry with what some priests do but on the whole there is so much good done by the Church. I had a priest who was both good and bad. And yet I respected him for the good that he did. I loved my father even though he was bad and good to our family. Only when you see beyond black and white, can you see the rainbow.

Posted by: arete1 | March 14, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

gbooksdc --

You have repeatedly violated washington post rules and have repeatedly libeled me.

You have continued to do so, even after I have asked your repeatedly to stop.

Why don't we end this conversation with this post.

The appropriate people are following up on this issue.

Please do not make things any worse for yoruself by continuing to post personal attacks on me or anyone else.

Posted by: svreader | March 14, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Rather than "hoodwink" in my comment below, I should have said "bamboozle" which is a favorite Obama word thrown at those that have figured him out.

"Obama was on MSNBC this evening and said that he did "not repudiate" the comments or positions of Wright. Obama is a racist, anti-American hypocrit that is trying to be elected as President. He is nothing more than an ambitious politician that is trying to hoodwink the American people."

Posted by: mo897 | March 14, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

LouiseFletcher- knew I would find a Barak supporter that could read this and talk about HRC- I'm sure it was her fault that he wrote in "Dreams of My Father" about how this was the pastor/church that finally connected with him, where he had not felt connected before. I'm sure she is to blame for the Republican attacks that will run from August until November if he is nominated. Stop hating her so much and blindly following him. Really look at your candidate, his real positions, not the rhetoric; his real experience, not the rhetoric; his real choices and "judgements", not the rhetoric. If you still like what you see than vote for him, but don't just drink the Kool-Ade and blame everything on her. She is a really good person and a really good candidate. If you can honestly compare them and favor him, than vote for him. Stop the hating. Increase the peace.

Leon

Posted by: nycLeon | March 14, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

gbooksdc --

You have repeatedly violated washington post rules and have repeatedly libeled me.

You have continued to do so, even after I have asked your repeatedly to stop.

Why don't we end this conversation with this post.

The appropriate people are following up on this issue.

Please do not make things any worse for yoruself by continuing to post personal attacks on me or anyone else.

Posted by: svreader | March 14, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

gbooksdc --

You have repeatedly violated washington post rules and have repeatedly libeled me.

You have continued to do so, even after I have asked your repeatedly to stop.

Why don't we end this conversation with this post.

The appropriate people are following up on this issue.

Please do not make things any worse for yoruself by continuing to post personal attacks on me or anyone else.

Posted by: svreader | March 14, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

gbooksdc --

You have repeatedly violated washington post rules and have repeatedly libeled me.

You have continued to do so, even after I have asked your repeatedly to stop.

Why don't we end this conversation with this post.

The appropriate people are following up on this issue.

Please do not make things any worse for yoruself by continuing to post personal attacks on me or anyone else.

Posted by: svreader | March 14, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Umbria's claim to be an Obama supporter suddenly shaken by this episode rings a little hollow. The whole thrust of his/her entry is to attempt to sew doubts about Obama based on something inflammatory one of his pastors once said. If this thing is going to change anyone's vote they should have their head examined.

Posted by: AntonioV | March 14, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

gbooksdc --

You have repeatedly violated washington post rules and have repeatedly libeled me.

You have continued to do so, even after I have asked your repeatedly to stop.

Why don't we end this conversation with this post.

The appropriate people are following up on this issue.

Please do not make things any worse for yoruself by continuing to post personal attacks on me or anyone else.

Posted by: svreader | March 14, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

"I go to Westboro Batist Church in Kansas. My pastor Fred Phelps is like an old uncle. He says some things I don't agree with. After 20 years, none of the things he says that I disagree with have rubbed off on me. Why would it matter what he says? He's just my pastor. That should not be a reflection on me!"

Posted by: hillcountry | March 14, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Rather than "hoodwink" in my comment below, I should have said "bamboozle" which is a favorite Obama word thrown at those that have figured him out.

"Obama was on MSNBC this evening and said that he did "not repudiate" the comments or positions of Wright. Obama is a racist, anti-American hypocrit that is trying to be elected as President. He is nothing more than an ambitious politician that is trying to hoodwink the American people."

Posted by: mo897 | March 14, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

gbooksdc --

You have repeatedly violated washington post rules and have repeatedly libeled me.

You have continued to do so, even after I have asked your repeatedly to stop.

Why don't we end this conversation with this post.

The appropriate people are following up on this issue.

Posted by: svreader | March 14, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Give Obama a break . . . he's getting between 80 and 90% of the black vote already, why should he want to stir things up anymore and run the risk of looking bad.

However if the white vote was going to Hillary at just 70%, we'd be hearing about those bigioted white voters voting for the more experienced candidate. . . . . Remember how the media ranted and ranted and ranted on Bill Clinton for suggesting the obvious, that Obama's campaign was a little like Jessie Jackson's? . . . . Let's face it, if you're white ie Ferraro, you better not whisper about what is correct and obvious or you'll be accussed of playing the "race card". . . . Although Obama is a walking race card, just by being himself.

Of course Obama can't help it, but then why hammer people close to Hillary whenever they point out the obvious. Because it is true, if Obama was white, black would not be voting for him and his second rate Health Care Plan. The only reason he's getting 90% of the black vote is because he's black.

Posted by: coldcomfort | March 14, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

TO ALL THE POSTERS MAKING THE CATHOLICISM ANALOGIES.

This is not like blaming a catholic because a priest molested a child.

This is like criticizing someone who attended a catholic church for 20 years WHERE THE PRIEST PREACHED THAT IT'S RIGHT TO MOLEST YOUNG BOYS.

You have to agree, we would be right to associate that person with the Priest's messed up teachings.

Posted by: Alan5633 | March 14, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

i'm truly embarrassed to be sharing the same genes with some of you.

Posted by: stonelamb | March 14, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

It's frightening to me that Obama's spiritual counselor is militant, racist, viscious, unpatriotic and divisive. Obama as of 8 pm tonight on Keith Obermann's show refuses to diassociate himself from this.

This pastor officiated his wedding and baptised his two daughters.

I do not believe the story that Barak did not know how racist and unpatriotic Jeremiah Wright was.

Posted by: jkwuaccounts | March 14, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

THE MEDIA KEEPS DENYING THAT IT HAS used different yardsticks when judging the candidacies of Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama. Just yesterday I saw MSNBC's Courtney Hazlett on Joe Scarborough's morning program discussing Saturday Night Live's recent skits of a slavish press fawning over Senator Obama. Hazlett reported that Michael Lorne denies SNL is endorsing Clinton as president, but expressed her own view that the skits prove otherwise. Yet Lorne rejected the criticism in a New York Times interview. "That obviously is not the case,'' he told Bill Carter. "We don't lay down for anybody." He said most of the show's writers are Obama supporters, but that the show's skits had touched on a truth that the media was denying.But until it is able to tackle the uncomfortable truths about the differing standards of race from all sides of the debate, racial resentments will continue to simmer just beneath the surface, to occasionally boil over in riots, protests or the "Bradley Effect."
http://www.crabbygolightly.com. Taking a dim view of celebrity, media and power.

Posted by: crabbygolightly | March 14, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

I will say this until this election is over - Obama cannot and would not sit in a church and listen to sermons such as these for over 20 years if he did not believe some of the rhetoric.

Obama would not choose Wright to be his spiritual mentor if he did not agree with some of Wright's beliefs.

I don't care if Wright is retired and the sermons were given years ago - so what. Obama was still in his congregation and listened to the crap. He's going to have to say more than "the crazy uncle" bit to get me to believe him.

America - you better wake up before it's too late. You already chose Obama over Clinton because you believed his message of "change". Don't make the same mistake with McCain. At least I know he loves the U.S.

By the way, I'm black, so it's okay to talk about race without being racist. Right? I mean, we all know that black's can't be racist because we have had so many racist acts committed against us - right?
www.unfilteredopinion.com

Posted by: team-davis | March 14, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

One question for the media on the Pastor comments? What if this was made by an Iman at a local Mosque or a monk at a local temple? Would not there be a bigger outcry? Front page news?????
I would not attend my local Church if my priest made such comments, even for 1 day, forget about 20 years. Shame on this Pastor and Obama. Where is the so called Judgement on the part of Obama. 20 years!!!!! No excuse for saying, I have not heard this hateful rethorics.It's disrespectful to the Millions of people who have sacrified to be part of this country and are proud to be an American to the point of shedding their blood for America. The message of the Pastor should not be allowed to stand. It is not an issue of race, color or creed. Anti American rethoric should not be allowed to stand. Period.

Posted by: njhunsue | March 14, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama was on MSNBC this evening and said that he did "not repudiate" the comments or positions of Wright. Obama is a racist, anti-American hypocrit that is trying to be elected as President. He is nothing more than an ambitious politician that is trying to hoodwink the American people.

Posted by: mo897 | March 14, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

It is difficult for Barak to distance himself from this pastor when, if you read his biography (Dreams of My Father) he talks about feeling connected to what this particular pastor said. He named his second book (The Audacity of Hope) based on the sermon name. I am not a Barak supporter- and don't totally disagree with some of what his pastor said. What I don't like is the disingenuinous of this. If you have made this pastor a major part of your life- distancing yourself at this point seems very artificial. In my mind, this is like everything else in the campaign- there is what is presented for example his(undefined)"change", and "unity" although he has no record of bringing parties together.

I wonder how the press would have reacted if it was HRC who had close family relationships with someone who said such things- I don't think the press, or most of his supporters, would be so easy on her.

I'm just waiting to scroll down the comments and see one of the Obama supporters blaming HRC for this. To some, any bad thing is somehow her fault.

Leon

Posted by: nycLeon | March 14, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Just imagine if Hillary or McCain attended a church like that! The media would go beserk but they have given Obama a pass.
Posted by: Linda7 | March 14, 2008 07:46 PM

Linda7 You have it exactly right!

This is the real story. The media are not challenging Obama on anything. The media simply are not doing their jobs!

We the people are asking the tough questions of the Senator, not the so called "journalists" in the media.

We will not let important information about this little known guru-candidate who is mesmerizing everyone with "change" and "yes we can".

Maybe we can get the lazy reporters off their duffs to do their jobs! I'm sure they can squeeze in a question or two for this guy in between attacks on Clinon and McCain.

Why are the media so afraid of Obama anyway?

Posted by: chicago77 | March 14, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Most of those clips were taken totally out of context. Also, saying that Obama is somehow responsible for the things his pastor says is like saying that the catholic parishioner is responsible for the Priests that abused young boys.

Posted by: katie11 | March 14, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

For anyone who cares, svreader is a liar. So his posts should be read with that in mind.

As proof:

He has posted repeatedly that (a) Dr. King was a hero ("I grew up listening to Dr. Martin Luther King Dr. Martin Luther king was a personal hero of mine." 1/12/2008 9:21 PM EST), (b) he is a CEO, (c) he has a Ph.D. in EECS from UC/Berkeley, (d) he is a millionaire, (e) that he "complies" software and (f) he is Jewish. Today, he claimed his whole family was killed by the Nazis in the Holocaust.

BUT --

when someone replied, if your whole family was killed, how did you get here, he said, his grandfather escaped. (How did he overlook THAT little point in weaving his tale of woe?) Whatever. If his grandfather escaped in 1945, and immediately had a child, and THAT child had a kid 20 years later, that means svreader would have been 3 when Dr. King was shot. Which makes it hard for him to have been his hero.

As it happens, UC Berkeley DOESN'T OFFER a Ph.D. in EECS. They offer Ph.D.s in CS or EE, or Engineering (EECS). It's a detail no real Ph.D. would have gotten wrong.

What CEO can you think of who would waste time blogging to a paper's web site 3000 miles away?

What CEO do you know spends time programming (which is what you're doing when you "compile" code) instead of looking after the business as a whole?

He also said God was a Democrat, denied it ("total BS"), but when confronted with the link (a) called me a liar, then said (b) it was a "lighthearted comment". I could go on and on, but point being, svreader's whole story doesn't hold up. He's just a propagandist (hopefully being paid by the Clinton campaign, it would be a pity if he were so stupid that he did this for free) to congest these comments sections with spam (he posts the same posts over and over and over) trying to conceal the fact that real Democrats are solidly supporting Obama.

Now you know.

PS He's changed his story, now claiming that "I said every member of my family in europe. I didn't say every member of my family. My grandfather was already here.""My grandfather was already here" is inconsistent with "My grandfather was the only one who escaped" which is, of course, inconsistent with "Every member of my family in europe -- every single man, woman and child, were coldly murdered and wiped off the face of the earth by the Nazis".

Posted by: gbooksdc | March 14, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

If you grew up in this country a black person, living in a poor community, you would understand why Rev. Wright said what he said. Pointing out the truth does not make you a racist, who hate america. Why should we love america, we don't have the same doors open to us, we don't have the same rights as white america. When Rev. Wright talked about 9/11 I think he meant that you reap what you sow. If you ask 10 African American people if they were truly proud to be an American, I bet 8 of them would tell you NO! Why should they be proud? we hve been treated bad in this country, I know, I have experienced racism, poverty, feeling like you are second class citizen, and made to feel like nothing.

Posted by: dgrl24 | March 14, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

There is one simple fact folks: THIS SOCIETY WAS BUILT UPON SLAVERY. THAT IS A FACT!!!
One must read Frederick Douglass, and Shakespeare, Orthello was!!!
The Black Man is not a threat. He can't help it cause the Lawd gave him a big un!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

There is one simple fact folks: THIS SOCIETY WAS BUILT UPON SLAVERY. THAT IS A FACT!!!
One must read Frederick Douglass, and Shakespeare, Orthello was!!!
The Black Man is not a threat. He can't help it cause the Lawd gave him a big un!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

There is one simple fact folks: THIS SOCIETY WAS BUILT UPON SLAVERY. THAT IS A FACT!!!
One must read Frederick Douglass, and Shakespeare, ---Orthello outside with Ophelia making "THE BEAST WITH TWO BACKS"!!!
The Black Man is not a threat. He can't help it cause the Lawd gave him a big un!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

There is one simple fact folks: THIS SOCIETY WAS BUILT UPON SLAVERY. THAT IS A FACT!!!
One must read Frederick Douglass, and Shakespeare, ---Orthello outside with Ophelia making "THE BEAST WITH TWO BACKS"!!!
The Black Man is not a threat. He can't help it cause the Lawd gave him a big un!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Although the words of Rev. Jeremiah Wright may seem outright bombastic and racist. And we should all condemn them. Of course we knew this stuff would come to the forefront. But to a degree good portions of his statements ring of truth and reality about Amereican supporting the violence against the Palestinians and the bombings during WWII. And true American political and military activities overseas have caused some of the hate which drove the 9-11 terrorists But we cannot accept his views about the 911 incident as being justified. For years such bombast has been associated with Minister Farrakhan of the nation of Islam. But as you can see there are more Black preachers who share Farrakhan's views. Senator Obama has denounced Wright's statements. We just hope that this will pass. We have devoted too much time to it. Lets be thankful that it came out now and not in August when it could have been more damaging to his as the party's nominee.

Posted by: Lcolvin1 | March 14, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

There is one simple fact folks: THIS SOCIETY WAS BUILT UPON SLAVERY. THAT IS A FACT!!!
One must read Frederick Douglass, and Shakespeare, ---Orthello outside with Ophelia making "THE BEAST WITH TWO BACKS"!!!
The Black Man is not a threat. He can't help it cause the Lawd gave him a big un!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

There is one simple fact folks: THIS SOCIETY WAS BUILT UPON SLAVERY. THAT IS A FACT!!!
One must read Frederick Douglass, and Shakespeare, ---Orthello outside with Ophelia making "THE BEAST WITH TWO BACKS"!!!
The Black Man is not a threat. He can't help it cause the Lawd gave him a big un!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

There is one simple fact folks: THIS SOCIETY WAS BUILT UPON SLAVERY. THAT IS A FACT!!!
One must read Frederick Douglass, and Shakespeare, ---Orthello outside with Ophelia making "THE BEAST WITH TWO BACKS"!!!
The Black Man is not a threat. He can't help it cause the Lawd gave him a big un!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

There is one simple fact folks: THIS SOCIETY WAS BUILT UPON SLAVERY. THAT IS A FACT!!!
One must read Frederick Douglass, and Shakespeare, ---Orthello outside with Ophelia making "THE BEAST WITH TWO BACKS"!!!
The Black Man is not a threat. He can't help it cause the Lawd gave him a big un!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

There is one simple fact folks: THIS SOCIETY WAS BUILT UPON SLAVERY. THAT IS A FACT!!!
One must read Frederick Douglass, and Shakespeare, ---Orthello outside with Ophelia making "THE BEAST WITH TWO BACKS"!!!
The Black Man is not a threat. He can't help it cause the Lawd gave him a big un!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

There is one simple fact folks: THIS SOCIETY WAS BUILT UPON SLAVERY. THAT IS A FACT!!!
One must read Frederick Douglass, and Shakespeare, ---Orthello outside with Ophelia making "THE BEAST WITH TWO BACKS"!!!
The Black Man is not a threat. He can't help it cause the Lawd gave him a big un!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

So people are willing to argue that america was NOT founded on racism? Really? I have a hunch those people arent natives.

Posted by: billy8 | March 14, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Look past the rhetoric and you'll find the greater appeal.

I was raised in Elijah Muhammad's Muslim schools and Black nationalist rhetoric and indoctrination doesn't get more intense than that. (see stories from what we learned at www.sonsyrea.com). So, that was my childhood indoctrination, which was beyond my control. The first thing I wanted to do as an adult was distance myself from what to me was clearly non-sense, and I did. Of course I understood why my grandparents joined such a divisive, Black supremist organization in the 1950s. They had been marginalized and oppressed and Elijah Muhammad's rhetoric did not create division, it reflected the divisiveness they suffered as African Americans. Jerimiah Wright and many other Black ministers came from that same mind-set.

Listen to many of the old-school Black pastors around the country and you'll hear remnants of that rhetoric. It's what they know, but it's not all they know. Speaking what they know gives them a brand of authenticity that's respected.

Fast forward 20 years from my days in Elijah Muhammad's Black nationalist schools and you'll find me matriculating at Pat Robertson's ultra conservative (some say down-right racist) graduate school. Why? Because beyond the non-sensical rhetoric he espouses his commitment to Christian-based career work and Christian-based community service was quite appealing. Of course some of my mentors (African American men and women) could not understand why I would "subject myself to such conservative schooling), but it's now several years since I've graduated and I'd do it all again.

Go beyond the rhetoric - the Black nationalist rhetoric, the White conservative rhetoric - and you'll find a commitment to principles and service that appeals to many.

Posted by: LovinLife1 | March 14, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Let's see, it's only March and the wingnuts are pumping hard on the slime hoses.

The last time you believed these fools, you ended up with George Bush.

You wouldn't want to repeat that mistake, would you?

This 'story' is nothing but horrid slander and false insinuations. If the American people don't reject such tactics, then we are surely doomed.

Posted by: stivgdgy | March 14, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing how some of the posters here are trying to imply that Hillary is responsible for somehow "outing" Rev Wright! Come on people, this is just like getting angry because someone said Obama did "cocaine". Obama went to this church, which most of us on the blogospere already knew about just as he admitted to doing cocaine in his book. This is not Clinton's doing, it is Obama's.

If it takes him out, that is also his fault. Out of all the churches in Chigago, Obama chose to be a member of this particular one for over 20 years. I don't think Hillary was twisting his arm.

Posted by: brigittepj | March 14, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

The tremendous influence and HOLD this preacher over Obamas is very clear from:
1) the style of Obama speeches which seems to be very similar to preachers sermons
2) Michelle sounded just like the Rev. when she admitted that she was not proud of America (how could she after hearing her preacher talk about everything wrong with America)

Posted by: lotus_med | March 14, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Charlie Black's comments are very mature and wise. Rare to see this kind of sentiment in U.S. politics today!

Posted by: RamuR | March 14, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Voiceofreason5, I am thinking.

I think a presidential candidate knows that he'd better be careful about what he says during a presidential campaign.

That's why you don't listen to only what the candidate said. The fact that he went to this guys church for 20 years, donated tens of thousands of dollars, had a close relationship with him, and appointed him to his campaign committee tells you a lot about his views.

If you ignore this, you are being willfully blind. You have some agenda you're pushing here, and I don't trust you.

Posted by: Alan5633 | March 14, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Voiceofreason5, I am thinking.

I think a presidential candidate knows that he'd better be careful about what he says during a presidential campaign.

That's why you don't listen to only what the candidate said. The fact that he went to this guys church for 20 years, donated tens of thousands of dollars, had a close relationship with him, and appointed him to his campaign committee tells you a lot about his views.

If you ignore this, you are being willfully blind. You have some agenda you're pushing here, and I don't trust you.

Posted by: Alan5633 | March 14, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I am thoroughly enjoying how both the Clinton and Obama campaigns are providing McCain with free attack advertising. To see the politically correct crowd debating whether they would rather be seen as being racist or sexist is beyond poetry. Great to sit back and watch the Democratic Party pull itself apart. Pass me the popcorn...

Posted by: patch0206 | March 14, 2008 07:58 PM
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Where do you live! We have the "NEW IMPROVED" version wih chrome electrodes!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I am thoroughly enjoying how both the Clinton and Obama campaigns are providing McCain with free attack advertising. To see the politically correct crowd debating whether they would rather be seen as being racist or sexist is beyond poetry. Great to sit back and watch the Democratic Party pull itself apart. Pass me the popcorn...

Posted by: patch0206 | March 14, 2008 07:58 PM
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Where do you live! We have the "NEW IMPROVED" version wih chrome electrodes!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I am thoroughly enjoying how both the Clinton and Obama campaigns are providing McCain with free attack advertising. To see the politically correct crowd debating whether they would rather be seen as being racist or sexist is beyond poetry. Great to sit back and watch the Democratic Party pull itself apart. Pass me the popcorn...

Posted by: patch0206 | March 14, 2008 07:58 PM
_________________________

Where do you live! We have the "NEW IMPROVED" version wih chrome electrodes!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

What if Barack Obama's wife cheated on him (repeatedly) and did so publicly, bringing great turmoil to him, his family, and the whole country? Would you vote for him then?

Posted by: terry1960 | March 14, 2008 07:45 PM
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If she forgave him, then yes. How are we a better judge of what he is than his wife?

Now, having said that, if he held my nation responsible for
deliberately spreading AIDS and causing world genocide/9-11/Mandela's imprisonment and apartheid/Palestinian
plight/killing of innocents to bring down Castro & Libya. Then I would try to get him shot for treason.

Posted by: Umbria | March 14, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

As a member of Trinity United Church of Christ, I like to know if anyone could disprove any of Dr. Wright has said in the clips of his sermons that the media has shown? I have been a member for over 12 years and I agree with Barack when he states that rev (as we affectionately call him) preaches on loving God and one another, although he points out facts on what is going on in the world, he has never said anything about hating America or white people, in fact I remember Dr. Wright telling us that everybody black aren't our friends and everybody white aren't our enemies. His sermons were taken out of content and I don't think he hates America, he hates the way the government is ran.

Posted by: dgrl24 | March 14, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

This election should be about THE ISSUES. It's the issues that will affect us, not somebody's pastor.

btw - Obama is NOT his pastor. Obama is not a sheep who cannot think for himself.

This guilt-by-association or, rather, murder-by-tabloids is no way to run a presidential campaign. Reminds me of Brittney Spears coverage. Don't fall for it, people. Otherwise, you'll get more Republican rule. More dirty politics as usual.

Obama IS independent. Obama offers real hope. Don't fear change for the better.

THINK, people.

Posted by: VoiceofReason5 | March 14, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

This is a great opportunity to note that Barack Obama can listen to someone he disagrees with without compromising his own principles. We have become so used to only listening to folks who are telling us what we already feel to be true that we've forgotten that simply listening to someone doesn't mean we have to agree. Obama found common ground with Tom Coburn, R-Oklahoma- who is probably the single most conservative Senator. Their wives even like each other and have socialized. Barack was able to play poker with Republicans in Illinois because he's not threatened by someone who disagrees with him. Lately, in America, we've tended to switch the channel until we find someone who tells us what we like to hear. We've even begun to believe that if someone says something nice about us we must disavow anything they've ever said that contradicts our beliefs. We're polarized. And we're getting exactly the fruits of polarization: a war that costs 2or 3 trillion dollars, 110 dollar a barrel oil, a falling dollar, rising inflation, a healthcare affordability crisis, a failed energy policy. So, we have the choice to keep doing what we're doing and hope it somehow gets better- or we can choose to BE different in our choices, and vote for someone who is not afraid to talk or listen to those who do not necessarily agree with him. And only one person in this race has that strength of character: Barack Obama

Posted by: ladyvet | March 14, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Finally, finally, the truth is slowly leaking out. I guess we needed more proof other than Obama's refusal to wear the flag pin that his patriotism is non existent. I hope this is the end of him, bye, bye, racist...Whether it be HRC or McCain, at least they love America, the land of the free. Yet, this might blow over, the Obama boy might smooth it out, with the help of the adoring media, and America, with him at the helm, will be toasted. Shame of the black racists. Can't blame Hillary for this, can you?

Posted by: mkgnor2004 | March 14, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

First Spitzer, now Obama!
And don't get me wrong Folks, I'm voting Democrat come November, even if it's WC FIELDS for POTUS!

BARACK MUST FIGHT NOW, OR FIGHT NEVER!!!

HILLARY MUST HELP!!!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 07:58 PM

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Some of the morons on this Board need to take an anger management class or get a life.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | March 14, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

First rule of politics to destroy a movement is to find a way to discredit the person leading the movement. Link his pastor to him and say he is racist, unpatriotic, and bigot. Seek any way make that person look like slime. Seek to destroy a person character that plays on the fear of your own bigotry and hate. Create a message that plays to those fears and unleash the mob.

This is where Ferro comes in, her role was to scare poor low information white voters claiming Obama was the affirmative action candidate. Second step, follow it up with an angry black man giving a sermon taken out of context to continue to play on your racist fears. Look Look, Obama is the hypocrite because listens to the ideas of the radical. Listening to some of those ideas means he is a bigot.

Americans die for the freedom of speech and the freedom to express those ideas from the fear of persecution of those ideas.

Barack Obama character is a amazing this unruly mob of commentors is not.


Posted by: adam.clemmons | March 14, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama, along with his family has affiliated themselves w/ Mr. Wright & his congregation for 20 years. He chose to have this man marry him and his wife Michelle. He chose to have his daughters baptized by him. The key word is "Chose". Another key word is judgment, which Obama strongly states he has the "right" judgment. Well, he definitely had the right judgment about the War, but he ABSOLUTELY made the wrong judgment to affiliate himself and his daughters w/ this church. When basing my decision on who should be our Commander in Chief, the highest position held in the US, I absolutely look, not only, at accomplishments, but character and judgment. I believe Obama to be a great man, but cannot understand why he would subject himself & his family to this environment. It is very disturbing.

Posted by: tvenuso | March 14, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

JPRS, you can't expect a candidate to come out and say he hates whites and america because then he'd never get elected. That's why you have to look at more than just what the candidate has told the public.

If I went to a church where the pastor was preaching such hateful things, I would walk out and never come back. The fact that Obama went for 20 years, donated 10s of thousands of dollars, appointed the guy to serve on his campaign, and had the guy serve as a spritual advisor shows you what Obama really thinks.

If you rely only on what a candidate explicitly says, you'll get hoodwinked.

Posted by: Alan5633 | March 14, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Look lots of people are not proud of America. You dont have to be the brightest bulb in the Universe to see we are sinking in our own pride and stupidity. I dont care what Michelle Obama said, because I am not proud of Bush and not proud of the war. We have failed our people for the past 8 years miserably and the press hasnt helped either.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | March 14, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

AUDACITY! Yep,

THERE, is the PERFECT Word,

For someone who supports a Minister who Blames the US for all the World's problems, and wants God to DAMN us ALL,

and tries to become Our President!

AUDACITY INDEED! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 14, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I am thoroughly enjoying how both the Clinton and Obama campaigns are providing McCain with free attack advertising. To see the politically correct crowd debating whether they would rather be seen as being racist or sexist is beyond poetry. Great to sit back and watch the Democratic Party pull itself apart. Pass me the popcorn...

Posted by: patch0206 | March 14, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

This nonstory matters not a whit. It only matters to crazy blatherers who want to impugn character. If you don't like a man's minister then choose another church. Frankly I am not impressed with the religiousness of any of our recent presidents except Carter, and doubt any of them frequented church regularly except Carter. And he wasnt a better President because of that.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | March 14, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Obama says "I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies." Does this mean that he denounces Mrs. Obama's statement about never being proud of America until recently?

Posted by: donna1000 | March 14, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

What a stupid story, with a meaningless by line. Guilt by association. Lets get all the morons who hate to post here about this and that. Wonderful. This really helps to pick a president. The lowest common denominator isnt the candidate and his choice of pastor, its the people who like to roll in the gutter throwing stones at others.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | March 14, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

It is mind boggling to me that anyone can label inciting racial divide as trivial...we need unity in this country...

Posted by: bward2000 | March 14, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

It is unbelievable that some bloggers blame the Clintons for Obama and Wright's racism, anti-Americanism and hate mongering. The racism and hate by Wright and Obama (through is support of Wright) that is directed against anyone that is non-black or non-Christian (whites, latinos, jews, muslims, etc., etc.) is absolutely unacceptable.

Posted by: mo897 | March 14, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

The media has suppressed this information untill they had to break it..because it was already public, on You Tube, the blogs.

It's a stunning failure, but not surprising.

Unfortunately there's no wiggle room in this for Obama. This is not comparable to having someone in your campaign lose their cool and use an inappropriate word; it's also not comparable to Geraldine speaking a truth: he would not be running or winning if he wasn't black.

That's not a racist slight; it's a factual statement. One which has become very apparent: the hatred has been under the radar, but it's seeping through the cracks....


And it's clear that he has not made his case for winning the white vote, the blue state vote..

Posted by: vammap | March 14, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't what it is SVREADER, but I feel my self slipping to Barack.
It would be great if Hillary would come out and lay it on "THE ONE ARMED BOMB THROWER"! That sort of move would show "THE CLASS OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY"!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Alan5633, actually this entire debate is similar to the kind that you might find in a 3rd world theocracy.

The developed world has distinguished itself based on the fact that we actually make an effort to keep religion OUT of the public sphere.

A man should be judged by HIS words and actions. Not by those of tangentially related associates -- especially ones who have no direct role in the campaign, and who will have no role in an Obama administration.

If we're going to obsess over this stupid issue, then we might as well talk about Bush's spiritual adviser who bought methamphetamine for a gay prostitute out in Colorado -- or even Hagee in Texas who calls Catholics (30% of the U.S.) members of a untrue religion -- and who provides material support to extremists in the Middle East who are trying to foster armagedon. The whole discussion becomes absurd if we go down this road -- and none of America's problems will get solved.

Of course with all the debt that Washington politicians have dumped on future generations over the past 6 years, a mis-managed economy, and a disastrous war, I can understand why some might be hankering for an irrelevant distraction along these lines.

Posted by: JPRS | March 14, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Idea for a new bumper sticker:

"No one reads your blog posts"

Posted by: treetopflyer | March 14, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Look at the type of comments here, for all the feigned concern about religion, its mostly predjudice, hate, bigotry, and bias. Is it any wonder that the United States is falling apart, with people who are unable to solve problems?

Posted by: paulnolan97 | March 14, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Fear and Envy are rearing their heads.

"AUDACITY OF HOPE"
is one of the freshest takes on politics. I haven't been able to put it down.

I guess if my opponent had written something that has excited politcs in a way it hasn't been in over 40 years, if he had energized the nation and the world again - I too may go on an attack of Fear and Envy.

The challenge would be to attacks Barack OBAMA's own book, his own words.

People can't. And they can't stand it. I recommend dealing with their own Envy issues - as opposed to take it out on a nation embracing CHANGE.

Posted by: OBAMA08 | March 14, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Haven't you ever been close, maybe even for many years, to someone who said and did a lot of very good things, but also said some bad things? How about your parents? Or grandparents?

Please try to keep some perspective here. This pastor might have changed over the years. After all, he just retired. I doubt pastors retire before they're seriously fatigued in one way or another. It's a calling, not just a job. You don't retire to get off the treadmill and collect your pension.

Posted by: DoTheMath | March 14, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama made his choice on this when he stayed with this minister.

Yes, voters do need to know that he was a member and apparently this guy is important to him.

I would like an apology from Obama, indeed from his minister. I would like assurances that Obama respects all people, and respects this country.

Why is that there is so much about how bad white America is, but nothing about the good America, and whites have done in this world?

Posted by: win1 | March 14, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

What if Barack Obama leveraged a national tragedy with a barrage of lies in order to overthrow the main who threatened his daddy, costing the nation upwards of 4,000 service men and women and possibly 3 trillion dollars? Would you vote for him then?

Posted by: terry1960 | March 14, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

People, what do you expect? African Americans are not necessarily going to have the attitudes to the U.S. that others will have because they have a totally different history. If Pastor Wright has been exceedingly harsh in his condemnation of America's racism at times, if he acknowledges the good works in getting young men off of drugs and alcohol by a bigot like Farrakhan, does that mean that Barack Obama must leave a church that has done so much for black people in Chicago? Barack Obama has left behind divisiveness and is working hard to encourage inclusiveness. He is not an "old school" black preacher, but he has the maturity to respect what is good and sound about a man like Pastor Wright. Now he is being dragged backwards for political reasons by his opponents. Listen to what the man says and watch how he lives his life - then pass judgment.

Another White Man for Obama

Posted by: johnsonc2 | March 14, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Let's see,

He Prays with the Guy,
Receives Contributions from the Guy,
Was Married by the Guy,
Had him Baptize their Children,
Invites him into his Home and labels Him "Uncle",
Supports His Church for TWENTY YEARS,

and MORE!

But, Disagrees with what he says.

LMFAO-At ANYONE who supports Barack, or defends Him and believes his denouncements! :-o

Posted by: rat-the | March 14, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

American politics is like demolition derby. Crash into other cars until only one car is left standing. I really dont care about this trash. Look at Bush, he didnt have a wild eyed pastor, but hes blown our credibility in the world. Maybe the press will stop publicizing trash if the people keep supporting their candidates.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | March 14, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Please explain why.

Posted by: terry1960 | March 14, 2008 07:41 PM

Stop the repetitive comments dude.

Posted by: chicago77 | March 14, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

A day late and a dollar short! Obama should be going on Meet the Press instead of Olbermann (that is sure to be a softball interview). He has listened for 20 years to his nut-case mentor and pastor, who actually sounds more like a radical Muslim than a Christian (hate-speech against Jews, Whites, and America). Just imagine if Hillary or McCain attended a church like that! The media would go beserk but they have given Obama a pass until now.

Posted by: Linda7 | March 14, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

As far as I know Yeshau did not write anything down! What I've been able to put together was this Man who came out of the Benedication and whipped the Money Changers, hid out in the desert mountains for forty days, returned, was tried, found guilty, and Cruxcified!
This man lived?

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

What if Barack Obama's wife cheated on him (repeatedly) and did so publicly, bringing great turmoil to him, his family, and the whole country? Would you vote for him then?

Posted by: terry1960 | March 14, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

I could care less about Obama's Pastor. I only care what the candidate thinks. This matters not a whit to me.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | March 14, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

"Obama's an uncle Tom." That's what Clinton's been saying all along. She has balls. He don't. I'm switching to Hillary.

Posted by: xango | March 14, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

And the Barack Hussein Die-Hard supporters walk ignorantly on,

singing:

Dee-Dee-Dee, Dee-Dee-Dee....


in Perfect Harmony! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 14, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

What if Barack Obama left his ill wife (who raised his children while he was away) and married his young mistress? Would you vote for him then?

Posted by: terry1960 | March 14, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

I want to see how Obama talk himself out of this one,unless he says, "my fellow Americans you have mistakened me for another person, my name is Barack Obama, not Barack Hussein Obama, and I want to be your president."

Posted by: johnycheng1 | March 14, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Why on earth would he make a comment about his pastors' remarks on the Huffington Post, which has enough hate-filled lunatics to make Obamas' pastor seem rather pleasant? The Huffington Post is not a website you want to be associated with, especially when you're running for the office of the president of the United States. What a dumba**!

Posted by: cschotta1 | March 14, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Are there any Evangelicals out there? Please explain why?

Posted by: terry1960 | March 14, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Who someone associates with says loads about their judgment and character. Who someone chooses as their spiritual leader says even more.

Posted by: donna1000 | March 14, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Are there any corporate employees out there? Please explain why.

Posted by: terry1960 | March 14, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

This whole conversation is depressing. I can't wait for this campaign to be over so we can get busy fixing some stuff.

Posted by: epinchicago | March 14, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Terry 1960, just being a catholic isn't analogous. An apt analogy would be going to a Church where the Priest advocated molesting children. Would you look down on a candidate if you found out they went to and donated to this church for 20 years? Not only that, but this Priest, who advocated boy molesting, sat of their campaign's religious committee, had baptized their children, had married them, and provided the title for their book? Wouldn't you find that messed up?

I'm sorry, but it's impossible to disassociate Obama from this.

Posted by: Alan5633 | March 14, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

THIS SHOWS JUDGEMENT AND CHARACTER AND WHEN YOU ADD HIS WIFES STATEMENT THAT SHE HAS BEEN ASHAMED TO BE AN AMERICAN MOST OF HER ADULT LIFE YOU GET THE PICTURE. WE WILL THINK OF BUSH AS JESUS IF THIS GUY EVER GETS IN.

Posted by: tahirn | March 14, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Denouncing Now? Obama, you are 20 years too late! You took your children to this church and let them hear your minister and "mentor" spew words of hatred of other Americans and America itself! Your children's country!!! Concede! We don't need your type of unity! Not for one more day!

Posted by: Texan2007 | March 14, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Are there any Jews out there? Please explain why.

Posted by: terry1960 | March 14, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

What a joke!

This is the height of political expediency and it will not fly.

After 20 years of listening to and embracing that anti-American racist preacher, Obama finally rebukes the jerk.

The vast majority of Americans are not going to buy this one bit.

Posted by: chicago77 | March 14, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Are there any Baptists out there? Please explain why.

Posted by: terry1960 | March 14, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

This is sad.

Completely taken out of context. Why are Americans so quick with the "guilt-by-association" thing?

Obama is NOT his pastor. Obama is NOT a sheep nor a lemming. He has sound judgement, and thinks independently -- which is what we need.

Pastors often say things that are alarming. Why? To evoke emotion. It's showmanship. I'm not approving of what was said; just dis-approving at everyone's burn-at-the-stake attitude.

Obama is NOT his pastor. Obama is NOT a sheep. He can think for himself.

I still support him. Especially since he doesn't represent the toxic politics-as-usual. (Which, btw, is why this country is in the toilet.)

Think, people.

Posted by: VoiceofReason5 | March 14, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Are there any Catholics out there? Please explain why.

Posted by: terry1960 | March 14, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

One again it is clear, neither the Post, nor your liberal colleagues will abide any criticism of your candidate. Let me say, there is more evidence that Obama has a Muslim and black racist background than there was that Nixon was connected to the Watergate breakin. Yet you worked that investigation until you go the truth. Why aren't you moving in on Obama???? Why will no one check this guy out? Even his pastor's hate and racist ravings are blamed on what whites did to blacks decades ago. Get real! All I ask is that you check this guy out as thoroughly as you do Republican politicians. Pastor Wright's comments do not represent the Christian religion. This has been Obama's church of choice for more than 20 years. If this is Obama's religion it is far from Christian--it reflects the hatred of the Muslim religion.

Posted by: wilsonj1 | March 14, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

There's a pattern of denial: his wife in saying her remarks were not meant to be unpatrotic, when she stated she felt like an American for the first time, and then she backed away from that comment. Now this disavowal of a lifetime relationship tied to family and children, which comes across as VERY inauthentic.

An LA Times writer accused them both of being unpatrotic because they didn't use the word. But, my sense is that he was only casting his line...

Posted by: vammap | March 14, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

The fact that this issue is receiving any media attention is a demonstration of just how trivial our political discourse has become.

Posted by: JPRS | March 14, 2008 07:32 PM
____________________

Trivial yourself! You are here right?
Go dangle your doodle !!!!!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Truth hurts, so when the Reverend speaks the truth as he is a man of God we all say he needs not say inflammatory statements.
We want only lies and not truth,as we see this everyday. Please stop the Obama bashing, he is a Muslim, his Reverend says bad things of what the establishment did to Blacks( it is the truth). Victory to Obama(actually President Obama)

M Singh

Posted by: isingh | March 14, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama often claims to have "worked on community organizing on the streets of Chicago."

When Obama was doing that work, his office was in Reverend Wright's Trinity Church. It makes one wonder what kind of "organizing" was Obama doing? Recruiting for the church on the streets and homes of Chicago?

If you go to google/trinity Church/ you will see that the Church says it wants its doctrine taught in every black home, every black church, every black school . . .

It is clearly a racially-biased church. This attitude of Rev. Wright and the Trinity Church does not surprise me.

I watched the Black Union Conference last month, and Hillary was the only candidate who had the guts to go.

Some people supported Hillary, but the rest of those attending were driving the bus back across the bridge to the past with hatred in their eyes and retribution in their hearts.

I didn't hear one "thank you" for anyone that has worked long and hard on civil rights, human rights and women rights. It was all about how the world has wronged them.

There is nothing conciliatory about how many AA's feel. This election is about race for many of the AA's. That is obvious in the 90 to 10% voting ratio.

Michelle Obama opened the door to the racial divide when she was on the morning talk shows saying, "They need to know that this is possible." She said that when they were still in Iowa, long before anyone else said anything.

And, Barack, when he was still in Chicago politics was chided by people, calling him "vanilla," because he spoke like a white person. When Obama began campaigning, he adopted the MLK tone very quickly, for effect. Now, what effect would we be talking about? gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 14, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I do want to say, that if most American's heard that from their minister, yes, I believe they would reject that. They would reject the minister and find another church.

Posted by: win1 | March 14, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: consignjp Me thinks Mr. Olbermann owes Hillary Clinton an apology or at least another diatribe this time on Barack Obama and his minister.
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Obama is on Olberman tonight. 26 minutes from now. I'm sure they will figure a way to blame Hillary.

Posted by: bnw173 | March 14, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

The fact that this issue is receiving any media attention is a demonstration of just how trivial our political discourse has become.

Posted by: JPRS | March 14, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

So this guy preaches that

the government created HIV to kill blacks and all the rest of this, yet we are not supposed to take seriously the choices Obama has taken for the last 20 years regarding this guy?

Jeesh, no way. I certainly hope Obama can do better then this.

Posted by: win1 | March 14, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

This had to happen!
I vote Democrat come November, even if they have to exume Jimmy Carter.
I just don't know how Barack should respond, but I know he must respond. Once these NEOCONS get you down they stomp you!!!!!!!!!!
No JOHN KERRY WUSSING! FIGHT MAN! FIGHT!!!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Get out of that church or you are toast.!!

Posted by: ddcegan
_________________________________________

Too late. He should have done it when he entered the campaign. He is toast now. What fool would believe him now? He was close friends, friend, not acquaintance, with Rezko. Didn't know he was a crook. Everyone in Ill. did but not Obama. Now Wright. I don't know how well he knew Farrakan or Ayers, but that is disturbing too. He is really naive or stubborn loyal? Kinda like Bush.

Posted by: bnw173 | March 14, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Me thinks Mr. Olbermann owes Hillary Clinton an apology or at least another diatribe this time on Barack Obama and his minister. It is interesting that every time a question comes up re someone like Rezko or Wright he says they are not people in his inner circle any longer. And this is the candidate that is going to change politics in Washington????
Give me a break. The only thing he is going to change is the Democrats chance of winning the White House in 2008.

Posted by: consignjp | March 14, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Most of you forget that the reactionary portion of the American Electorate has the attention span of a kindergartner. "Did you hear the horrible things that Rev...oh look, American Gladiators is on.

Posted by: JoeBewildered | March 14, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Disgusting: Both the minister and Obama should step down.

Posted by: lounatick8 | March 14, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

The crimes Obama committed against the poorest of the poor who voted for him in Chicago and trusted him to represent them are far, fsr, worse than the fact that Obama is a member of a racist church.

Because of Obama's arrogance, incompetence, and failure to perform his job, innocent people who voted for him suffered and died.

That's far worse than any words could ever be.

Posted by: svreader | March 14, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Children forced to listen to hate speech-

Is it child abuse?

Is this the judgement Obama has as parent?

Now we know where Michele Obama's hatred for America kept feeding from.

Judgmenet- Obama does not have any

Posted by: SeedofChange | March 14, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

claud334,
If your bit of history on racism in this country is to justify the racist views of Jeremiah Wright....it is NOT justifiable.
I was raised in South Texas, in the Corpus Christi area, in the 1960's and believe you me, as a Mexican-American, I felt the sting of racism growing up in this part of the country.
With immigration at the forefront of issues in today's politics, that racist mentality towards Latino Americans is alive and well today, in this country. However, I don't believe it's ok to justify racism with racism. There are better ways to deal with racist hatemongers such as the Jeremiah Wrights, Louis Farrakhans and the David Dukes of this world. Why stoop to their levels?

Posted by: txslatino2003 | March 14, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama has acknowledged many times the close relationship that he has with his pastor. His pastor is an extraordinary racist, anarchist and anti-American. Those of you that wish to ignore this in your blind support for Obama can certainly do that, but your naivete is unbelievable. If Obama offers you a free vacation in British Guyana, with unlimited kool-aid refreshments, go for it!!

Posted by: mo897 | March 14, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

As a 52 yr. old white male who grew up in southeast Texas. I can say with a true heart and love for my country that the comments of Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., are for a fact true and correct. What's also true is the fact that our country still has a lot of white people who have always been racist and bigots who for the first time are coming out of the closet for fear a black man could become president. All I can say is..YES WE CAN!

ObamaforUSPresident.com

Posted by: tc1123 | March 14, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

You cannot have a double standard here. What Geraldine Ferraro said was wrong (although I suspect that she did not express herself well. Perhaps she meant what I also observed, namely, that Senator Obama has not been scrutinized by most of the mainstream media and others as thoroughly as white candidates). Senator Clinton denounced Ferraro's statement categorically.
On the other hand, the pastor of Senator Obama's church has made comprehensible racial comments for decades during which the Obamas were members of and contributors to his congregation. The Senator's belated and qualified distancing himself from this racial minister who bestowed an award on the Black Nation of Islam's leader Louis Farakan was unfortunately less categorical than I had hoped for.

Posted by: bn1123 | March 14, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I am furious with the media for sitting on this so long.

You could have shown this six months ago and kept us from nominating someone who's completely unelectable.

But no, you were intent on having Obama as the nominee, and wouldn't do it until after Fox news played it over and over.

Now what does the party do? If the supers give it to Hillary, blacks are furious. If Obama gets the nom, middle america gives the McCain the win.

The media has sure screwed us over with its agenda.

Next time, JUST CONCENTRATE ON REPORTING THE NEWS FAIRLY

Posted by: Alan5633 | March 14, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like the pastor is a America hating racist and if Obama has been going to his church for 20 years then he has got to have heard some of this stuff. Maybe that explains alot of Obama's wife's comments ...like calling Americans "sloths" !!! They can take take their dog and pony show somewhere else if they do not like it in this country. Makes me sick.

NOBAMA!

Vote Hillary!

Posted by: cleocat | March 14, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

The Reverend's remarks are filled with so much racism and hate it takes my breath away. We need to question Obama's judgment in associating himself and his family with Rev. Wright.

Let there be no mistake about the association of Obama to the Reverend. Obama has been attending the Reverend's church for more than twenty years and has had both of his children baptized there.

This isn't change. The hate shown by Reverend Wright takes us all back thirty years.

Posted by: crazymonkey1 | March 14, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama can not seperate himself from Wright as this was the greatest personal judgement call he made for 20 years.

Obama funded Wright with his money.

Obama got married by Wright.

Obama children listened to Wright every Sunday.

Obama and Wright are inseperable. Wright is not just a hired or voluntary campaing person.

Wright is Obama's inspiration.

Wright inspired Obama's "The audacity of (false) hope"

Posted by: SeedofChange | March 14, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Well, I guess this means all you Glenn Beck,John Gibson, Bill Oreilly, Rush Limbaugh, Michael Savage followers are going to suddenly renounce these guys for their unrelenting hate speech against anybody that disagrees with them, or are you really that hypocritical?

Posted by: JoeBewildered | March 14, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

America is getting fed up with the race baiters and hate mongers on the left.

What needs to happen is a congressional resolution denouncing this creep's comments - and Obama's relationship with him.

Lets just look back at what happened to Trent Lot.

What's fair is fair - and what's right is right.

We cannot have such a hater connected to our government.

We don't tolerate it on the right, and the days of tolerating on the left should be over.

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | March 14, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Open Letter to Mr. Obama:

Hasn't anyone ever told you that people who live in glass houses should not throw rocks??????????

Posted by: consignjp | March 14, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

As an Obama supporter, I'm really disappointed with his judgment to associate a militant preacher and pathetic self-serving excuse now.

In other words, Obama also used to be an angry black guy? Certainly he is not qualified for US president. Period. Too bad.

Posted by: sukkee | March 14, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

This is what Obama's response to the questions about his crazy pastor should be...

Jeremiah Wright and a whole lot of other old angry black civil rights leaders and preachers grew up in a brutal and segregated America. Lynchings and hangings and beating were common in the south. They had to bear repeated insult and injury and an unfair shake from the law and society at large.

The bitterness and anger of a lot of these men, has unfortunately not changed with the times. And it is a large part of the reason why they make boneheaded comments today. It is tragic, because America has grown a lot and their anger prevents them from seeing it as such. So it is important to categorically denounce their divisive and hateful language. While racism still exists, America has made great bounds in fairness towards women and minorities and most people are ready to judge others on the content of their character, not the color of the skin, or gender.

The legacy of the oppression still exists in the infrastructure of our society, in poor schools and neighborhoods etc and should be addressed. but for the most part, anyone, black, white, woman, Hispanic, native American who tries hard enough can make the American dream for themselves.

Posted by: vernyuy | March 14, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

This is not just the pastor of the church where Obama attended but his mentor....The statements of his mentor give new meaning to the remarks made by Michelle Obama about how for the first time she was proud to be american....Hate is divisive. We live in the greatest country in the world if people don't like it here they should leave instead of preaching divisive messages of hate. The only way this great country stays united is when all citizens regardless of religious beliefs, color, and sex quit defining themselves by beliefs,sex and color.....no one should be african american, asian american, white american, american indian etc... we should all just be AMERICANS.

Posted by: bward2000 | March 14, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

There was a New York Times article a year ago in which Rev Wright told Obama that he won the primary than Obama may have to distance himself from Wright which Obama agreed. A YEAR AGO! Obama was well aware of Wright's hate speech and knew this would be a problem. Instead of renouncing Wright last year and making this a non-issue, Obama choose to stick with Wright. It leads one to think Obama was in agreement with Wright's speeches and gambled it would not come out until after the primaries. POOR JUDGEMENT!

Posted by: Skinsfan1978 | March 14, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, folks it's FRIDAY NIGHT FIGHTS!
We got, wearing White shorts with Black stripes in the Challenger's corner Preacher Shoes Barack-----And in the Odds On Corner we have the best little in fighter this world has known-- Brown Pants Hillary!

And yeah, taking a nap at RINGSIDE is the ONE ARMED BOMB THROWER John DA DRIBBLE McCAIN!!!

DEMOCRACY? I LOVE IT!!!!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

to nlynnc, quoting:

It is equally simplistic to reduce a 20 year friendship and mentoring relationship to a simple church membership. If all 10,000 members are racist bigots - and I'm not suggesting they are, but that's actually their right. They're not running for election to our highest office.

I am not saying this. It is simplistic to assume that only exemplary individuals (and not those deep contradictions, including being possibly racist) can and should inspire people. That's simplistic.

Believe me, I know. My father inspired many people (many of them black) because he was genuinely convinced of his mission to love, etc. he was still a racist who never saw them as equals. I certainly don't condemn those he inspired as racists. And I don't one should vote for a President based on the beliefs of someone else.

Posted by: janeblevins | March 14, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

I'll preface this by saying that I am a big Obama supporter, so disregard if you want.

When I was Catholic, I know my priests lead contingencies to protest the School of Americas. I don't know what they said, but I suspect it wasn't as calm as the vast majority of their sermons. I know I wouldn't want it tied to my (hypothetical) political career.

One of my closest advisers is a radical feminist legal theorist. I'm pretty incrementalist and practical in my approach to gender issues, but I find it to be important and invigorating to bounce thoughts off of someone who is so different from me. I've heard her say some rather radical things, and she could relatively easily be described as anti-male (though I think she is just anti-patriarchy).

My thesis adviser as an undergrad was a communist. He was also a great guy and wonderful at challenging me and nurturing my ability to research and think critically. I wrote a pretty mundane paper on Indian politics (his specialty).

Some of my friends are opposed to all prisons. Some of my friends are actively working to end the legal concept of gender. Some of my friends think I am going to hell for my unbelief. I bring this all up because we all have a varied group of friends and advisers who differ from us, but are intellectually challenging and stimulating.

I do think Obama should be questioned on these issues. Your influences are certainly fair game. I think it is disastrous to intellectual honesty and discourse, though, to crucify people for a willingness to talk and sometimes find value in radical places. We should question the degree to which he agrees, certainly. This is informative and insighteful stuff. But are we actually looking for answers in this case? Are we instead really asking politicians to only talk to people who say measured, moderate things?

Posted by: monitajb | March 14, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

I WANT TO KNOW
WHAT OBAMA HAS DONE X HIS STATE????????
WHAT OBAMA HAS DONE X AFRICAN-AMERICAN(REAL ONES)?????
WHAT ARE HIS LEGISLATIVE VOTING RECORD????
IN OTHER WORDS:HOW DOES HE HANDLE HIS JOBS RESPONSABILITIES????
WHO ARE THEM AND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IN THE PASS:BRZENZSKI,RICE,AXELROD?????
IF WE DO NOT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT OBAMA, COULD IT BE BECAUSE HIS TEAM IS DOING SOME KIND OF PRESSURE ON THE MEDIA????
WHY DOES HE AVOID THE PRESS LIKE THE BLACK PLAGUE????
THEN ABOUT HIS SPIRITUAL MENTOR, WELL THIS IS A BIT COMPLICATED????

Posted by: storytellers13 | March 14, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

I know that all of you criticizing Barack Obama for what Pastor Wright has said are either absolutely unaffiliated or all-believing fundamentalists. Or hypocrites. Me, I'm an atheist. I just hope that I don't have to defend every jerky thing that Christopher Hitchens says!

Posted by: terry1960 | March 14, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Now we know how Michelle Obama learned how to hate America.

Michelle Obama: "For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country."

You can not blame America and cash in $360,000.00 annual paycheck.

Here in rural America , it takes TEN families to earn that kind of money. And we still love America!

Sorry, Michelle Obama lost this election for Barack.

Posted by: YesWeCanForFREE | March 14, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

How will Obama unite people when he attends a church whose members seem to hate about 60-70% of Americans?

Posted by: cjones210 | March 14, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Well, another reason to doubt the electibility of Obama. We would have known this sooner if the media had done its job and not given Obama a pass!

We can only wonder what other surprises await should this man with no experience and poor political judgement get the nomination.

Let us light a candle that Obama is not the nominee!

Posted by: FredCDobbs | March 14, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Barrack Obama along with his America hating wife and their America hating, racist preacher who HATE America and white people are NOT what America needs! VOTE FOR HILLARY!! Before it is too late. THIS is an OUTRAGE.

Obama's Mentor --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxM

Posted by: Hillary08 | March 14, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Look out people----- HERE IT COMES!!!!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Want to see the REAL OBAMA???

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Channel 5, Chicago's most respected TV news program and you'll see what the REAL Obama is REALLY LIKE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

How can anyone, especially any person of color, still support Obama knowing that he let the people of color who voted for him in Chicago freeze to death in horrible slums?

It doesn't make any sense.

How could anybody support a man who shafts his own people after promising to protect them?

That's cold as can be.

Obama doesn't deserve ANYONE'S support!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 14, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Watch new Obama video, 'We are the Change':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxM

Posted by: Umbria | March 14, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

And Clinton put up with Bill despite how he treated her and all those women. She enabled him, by lying about his affair with Flowers. And the whole Democratic party put up with Bill Clinton despite his lies about his women. Should we blame Hillary for Bill's actions? I guess if Obama should have had the judgment to leave his church, even though he didn't know about these comments, then I suppose Hillary did worse by staying married to Bill. It was a closer relationship after all, and she would be bringing him back to the White House. Perhaps she should pledge to divorce Bill before becoming President.

Posted by: goldie2 | March 14, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

About these people that are threatening me with voting fo McCain. Go ahead!!!!
We will see! If Barack stands and fights, we will see.
No way I vote for a one armed geezer!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Let's actually critically analyze the statements that Wright made for a moment.

According to the article, he said "racism is how this country was founded and how this country was run...We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in god." What this statement basically says is that America was founded by racists and continues to be racist today. Is this not the case?

America was founded when imperialist whites stole the land of the Native Americans who lived there before us and deliberately gave them smallpox to wipe them out by the millions. We fought a civil war over whether slaves should be accepted only 150 years ago. Much of America's early economic success was due to the exploitation of slave labor. We put American citizens of Japanese ancestry in internment camps within the last hundred years. (Read A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn for more examples.)

In America today, Blacks are less likely to be offered job interviews, and when they do they earn lower wages for the same jobs. They are more likely to be sent to prison, and are condemned to the death penalty at extraordinarily higher rates. We talk about equality in this country, but rich White people and their children clearly have more power than poor Black people. Furthermore, much of this country's economic success is predicated on this exploitative relationship.

It's racist to deny the truth, because it continues to perpetuate these inequalities. Those who feel to face with America's racist past and present might do well to look into their own prejudices.

Posted by: claud334 | March 14, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Oh what a difference a day makes in politics: Yesterday Obama was on the fast track for the nomination and possibly the Presidency; tomorrow he will be lucky if Hillary will have him as her vice Presidential candidate.

customsjs

Posted by: customsjs | March 14, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

So, from several people's logic who've written in who may be Catholic, I should presume they are child molesters or at least unopposed to pedophilia since some of their pastors have been and their church turned a deaf ear--or worse covered it up--for decades?

Listen to what the CANDIDATE says and believes and has done in HIS LIFE, not to what others have said. This guilt by association is totally absurd!

Posted by: husimon | March 14, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Its nice to see the Wall St. Journal, Fox News and Rush Limbaugh joining with John mcCain all pulling out the stops to crush the Hope of Obama...

Posted by: dmooney | March 14, 2008 06:52 PM
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Crush the hope of Obama! How delusional are you dmooney. I mean, are you of this world? This guy's spiritual advisor of 20 years, his sunday preacher of close kinship, over several sermons has been asking God to Damn America, accusing America of world genocide, of having earned 9/11, caused AIDS, murdered women and children to bring down Castro and Gadafi, nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki out of mere spite. He has called our country the US of KKKA. And you think Obama is a person of Hope and UNITY? Are you kidding me?!

Posted by: Umbria | March 14, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Neither a quick change of leadership at Obama's church made just in time for Obama's presidential bid nor the belated denunciation of Jeremiah Wright made only after public outrage helps Obama's cause. Indeed, the change of leadership might be construed by some to indicate how closely Obama and the church's leadership work together. To be fair, Obama is not responsible for what Rev Wright has been saying. But Obama is certainly responsible for his 20-year association with Rev Wright's controversial church whose fame rests on the Reverend's anti-American, anti-white diatribes.

Why would Obama, a man who, to quote Obama's spokesman, "profoundly disagrees" with Rev Wright's ideology continue to attend the pastor's inflammatory sermons and contribute $22,500 to the church in 2006 so that the revered pastor could continue his tirade against America?

To the detriment of Obama, the evidence of his large contribution stands against his mealy-mouthed explanation of his innocence and casual involvement with the church; after all, when a member of the church gives this kind of money, it would have to be justly assumed that the giver approves of what the Reverend does and wishes the church to promulgate the teachings of its pastor.

It should be noted that if any white presidential candidate is associated with a white-ethnocentric church as Obama is with his Afro-centric church, he would be considered unfit to be the President of the US. So why should Obama be exempt from the same standards? The fact of the matter is that despite his grand call for racial transcendence and integrity in politics, he fails to consider his 20-year association with a racist church as a blatant double standard and dismisses his critics for being racially motivated.

Clearly then, in spite of Obama's lofty rhetoric of racial unity, his behavior and past does not support his contention. Furthermore, his failure to dissociate himself completely from the organization that promotes the ethnocentric view of a particular race disqualifies him from becoming the next president of the United States, as such dissociation is a fundamental requirement for any US president.

The fact that Obama was forced to denounce what is apparently racist rhetoric of Rev Right only after it became politically expedient to do so is indicative of his person as a man of opportunity, not of principle. The American people are well advised to stop projecting their hope and yearning on a person they hardly know.

Posted by: GeorgePS | March 14, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

A couple of months ago, I made the following comments, on a blog called Texas Politics and on here in a Washington Post story, as well, as to why I supported Hillary Clinton instead of Barak Obama. Here it is.

"I would first like to say that I am expressing my views and am NOT trying to sway or encourage anyone to vote for either Democratic candidate. I like and respect Barak Obama, but I am supporting Hillary Clinton, not because she's a female or the wife of President Bill Clinton, but because I believe wholeheartedly that she has a better understanding and would work harder for the needs of Latino-Americans all across this country. Senator Obama, I too believe, would take the interests of Latinos seriously, but my fear is if he surrounds himself with African-Americans that have baseless discriminatory views, about Latinos (and there are many in this country who will NOT admit to it publicly), in the end he might bow to those views himself and Latinos would lose out.
Living in Houston, TX for almost 13 years, I saw and heard those discriminatory, and at times, very racist views, perceptions and reactions many African-Americans in that city had towards Latinos, especially towards those born "south of the border". Especially irritating was the constant referral to ALL Latinos as "Mexican". This has made me very skeptical of the honest views of African-American politicians, as well, towards Latinos.
Ironically, I admired how African-Americans were so united when it came to issues relating to their community, but it eventually turned to fear. Fear that when it came to issues affecting other minority communities, Latinos in particular, those issues were not relevant in comparison to issues affecting their own. To many, my own views might be construed as racist, but I don't believe they are. They are a transformation of a person seeing, hearing and experiencing what I have. I have fought with these feelings but in the end, it has swayed my vote this election year.
How would I vote in the November general election should Barak Obama win the nomination? I can state with no doubt, I would vote for Senator Obama, but admittedly, with much trepidation."

Although the pastor's vile, racist comments are aimed at White Americans, I can only imagine what he privately expresses towards Latino Americans. His views and beliefs aren't changing anytime soon, rest assured. The fact that Senator Obama continues to surround himself with racists such as Jeremiah Wright only solidifies my feelings.
One thing I'm sure of now, I WILL NOT vote for Barak Obama in the general election as long as he, not only, EMPHATICALLY repudiates this man's teachings, but completely separates himself from racists such as Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan.

Posted by: txslatino2003 | March 14, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

This is ridiculous. How about reporting on the things being said by the candidates and by people who work for the campaigns. The rest is irrelevant. Must you people in the media continue to turn this into a ridiculous circus?

Posted by: Arjuna9 | March 14, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Considering what African-Americans go through in our country, I think it is unfair to criticise them for reacting in sometimes "socially incorrect" ways.

When I was a student at Purdue University in West Lafayette, Indiana, I twice heard vicious remarks addressed to African-Americans. One time a normal-looking female student spoke viciously to a young black woman who had her little daughter with her. Another time a young man on a motorcycle yelled "n----r!" at a young black man (who was dressed quite conservatively in a white dress shirt and black slacks).

No one, including me, who has not had to endure such poisonous remarks themselves, can comprehend how they eat at the soul.

And, by the way, I am a Clinton supporter-- I just think Obama is too young for 2008.

Posted by: dotellen | March 14, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Responding to janeblevins quoted here:

"As a racist preacher's daughter, now an adult, I can only say that it is reductive and simplistic to make an association between a member of a church and the pastor. So are you ready to condemn all 10,000 members of Trinity church of christ as racist bigots?"

It is equally simplistic to reduce a 20 year friendship and mentoring relationship to a simple church membership. If all 10,000 members are racist bigots - and I'm not suggesting they are, but that's actually their right. They're not running for election to our highest office.

I don't know if Obama himself is a racist, I think the idea is arguable, but I do think he tolerates hate speech and inflammatory rhetoric amongst his closest and most intimate friends and associates. That's not a quality I want in a president - and it's one of the reasons I so loathe Bush - I'm certain he's at best, a jingoist.

Posted by: nlynnc | March 14, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS GOING TO GET REAL UGLY, REAL FAST!!!!

Posted by: harried | March 14, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry Obama but you've been going to and contributing to that church for 20 years. You could have chosen a pastor who doesn't hate america and hate white people, but you didn't. That tells us a lot about you and says something you could never say during your campaign.

This is just too much. If Obama gets the nom, I will jump parties and vote McCain.

Posted by: Alan5633 | March 14, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Its nice to see the Wall St. Journal, Fox News and Rush Limbaugh joining with John mcCain all pulling out the stops to crush the Hope of Obama simply to make sure that Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee. Does that say something about what they think about her chances to win. Or - in the slight chance she beats John McCain - she will actually change the status quo in Washington?

And by the way, where are those tax returns? Is it possible that she and Bill did not file them? What else explains their inability to fire up the copy machine and explain to the rest of us how a person who has slavishly served the public good for 35 years accumulated $5 million in cash to write a check to her campaign.

Posted by: dmooney | March 14, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Looks like all the knives and guns are out. All those who have wanted to bring Obama down are salivating that this might be the opportunity they've been looking for. It's a shame that political destruction by asscioation is where we've reached in this country. But then again no one said winning the presidency was going to be a cakewalk. Obama 08!

Posted by: lumi21us | March 14, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

To quote a post at Firedoglake.com
It goes without saying that the crowd which for the past 30 years has embraced a bunch of theocratic, flatearther, homophobic, snake-handling, anti-Catholic, anti-woman, anti-science,anti-everyone-but-white-American-evangelicals--- and whose nominee currently seeks their approval and endorsement --- has absolutely no moral standing whatseover to object to anyone else's inflammatory religious rhetoric. Ever. Period.

Posted by: jswallow | March 14, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Watch new Obama video, 'We are the Change':

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0mNDANincEU

Posted by: ac11 | March 14, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

As a racist preacher's daughter, now an adult, I can only say that it is reductive and simplistic to make an association between a member of a church and the pastor. So are you ready to condemn all 10,000 members of Trinity church of christ as racist bigots?

People choose to attend churches for reasons that go far beyond the pastor himself. Churches are complex organisms and pastors don't walk around with big badges saying I'm a racist, I love Louis Farrakhan, etc: they preach three times in a week and the things they say, especially in such a large congregation are rarely, if ever, heard by everyone. So I think everyone should calm down and realize that Obama is not a bigot because his pastor is and that his decision to remain in this church 20 years isn't necessarily a bad one.

Thank goodness there were good and generous people in my church, I would hate to have been left with only those who agreed with my Dad.

Posted by: janeblevins | March 14, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

All this is BOGUS..... we should stop asking for standards oneself cannot maintain... Enough with these REJECTIONS AND REPUDIATIONS. Let's talk about people losing there homes and jobs rather than petty politics. Obama did not say those words and after all the pastor has rights to free speech.

Posted by: mbahal | March 14, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Obama can still wiggle out of this. His campaign can always say.

1. Rev. Wright was brought in by Sen. Clinton to torpedo his run for the presidency.

2. The remark of Geraldine Ferraro is much more racist than that of Rev. Wright.

3. Rev. Wright's sermon was taken out of context.

4. Sen. Obama could not recall or have no recollection that Rev. Wright made a similar remarks in twenty years of attending his church.

5.The supposed sermon of Rev. Wright including the tapes circulating around were all made up by Sen. Clinton and her minions.

5.Sen. Obama is not aware of any wrongdoing that Rev. Wright did in his twenty years of
association just like he was not aware of the sleazy character of his friend Tony Rezco.

I am sure this will work on all those fools that could not believe that this man is nothing but a charlatan.

Posted by: tim591 | March 14, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.html

On My Faith and My Church
Barack Obama

The pastor of my church, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who recently preached his last sermon and is in the process of retiring, has touched off a firestorm over the last few days. He's drawn attention as the result of some inflammatory and appalling remarks he made about our country, our politics, and my political opponents.

Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.

Because these particular statements by Rev. Wright are so contrary to my own life and beliefs, a number of people have legitimately raised questions about the nature of my relationship with Rev. Wright and my membership in the church. Let me therefore provide some context.

As I have written about in my books, I first joined Trinity United Church of Christ nearly twenty years ago. I knew Rev. Wright as someone who served this nation with honor as a United States Marine, as a respected biblical scholar, and as someone who taught or lectured at seminaries across the country, from Union Theological Seminary to the University of Chicago. He also led a diverse congregation that was and still is a pillar of the South Side and the entire city of Chicago. It's a congregation that does not merely preach social justice but acts it out each day, through ministries ranging from housing the homeless to reaching out to those with HIV/AIDS.

Most importantly, Rev. Wright preached the gospel of Jesus, a gospel on which I base my life. In other words, he has never been my political advisor; he's been my pastor. And the sermons I heard him preach always related to our obligation to love God and one another, to work on behalf of the poor, and to seek justice at every turn.

The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments. But because Rev. Wright was on the verge of retirement, and because of my strong links to the Trinity faith community, where I married my wife and where my daughters were baptized, I did not think it appropriate to leave the church.

Let me repeat what I've said earlier. All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn. They in no way reflect my attitudes and directly contradict my profound love for this country.

With Rev. Wright's retirement and the ascension of my new pastor, Rev. Otis Moss, III, Michelle and I look forward to continuing a relationship with a church that has done so much good. And while Rev. Wright's statements have pained and angered me, I believe that Americans will judge me not on the basis of what someone else said, but on the basis of who I am and what I believe in; on my values, judgment and experience to be President of the United States.

Posted by: info23 | March 14, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I emailed the DNC and told them I don't think he can withstand the republicans who will attack without mercy, AND RIGHTLY SO on this one.

anti american, anti white, and the "audacity" to call Hillary a racist for Geraldine, but it's ok for Barak to have a racist bigot for a minister for 20 years.

E mail the DNC.

Posted by: lndlouis | March 14, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

As a black male, I have to say Obama is pathetic. The dude married u, baptised your kids, he's u're pastor and now u're rejecting him. That's just cold. Obama's a snake.
With that said, I will say this is just like America. Everytime a black male speaks his mind, u try to lynch him. U want all of us to be uncle toms. To all my negroes out there, be real. stop being fake to these white fools, its like a 21st century minstrel show. We need the truth. TruthSeekersUnion. The truth is this, white ppl are racist, hispanic ppl are racist, asians are racist, indians are racist. all these groups are racist to blacks. U will get what's coming to u. They say 1 in 2 black teenagers have an STD. Well, keep giving it to these white folks, and then we'll start having some equality;-). White ppl u better watch out. Our time has come, u're time is up. Move over. 1

Posted by: DivanteJackson | March 14, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

We all know very little about Obama. It was and it is the issue.
And that's one (just one) of reasons I support Hillary Clinton.
Her past is transparent and clear: she had enough in the 90ies.
If Obama is nominated - the Republican mindblowing machine will tear him apart and eat him alive.
To vote for Clinton is a safer choice.

Posted by: vanitsky | March 14, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm extremely disappointed in Obama.

In fact, there's nothing wrong about Wright's comments, and there's absolutely nothing for Obama to apologize for or even distance himself from.

I'll go even further: Obama should invite Wright along on his campaign appearances, so he can spread his spiritual guidance to all of America.

Obama is a true fighter for justice, and as president he'll be sure to put Wright's advice to good use running the country!

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | March 14, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama has known this man for 20 years. For 20 years, Obama has known of Wright's fervent admiration for Lewis Farrakhan, one of the planet's most legendary racists and the spewer of the kind of virulent anti-Semitism characteristic of 19th century Czarist Russia, and which helped fan much of the anti-Semitism that is a well-known problem in the black community today. For 20 years, Obama has had Wright as a friend and mentor. And now, Obama wants us to believe that he only learned of Wright's inflammatory views and statements in 2007??!!! What do these politicians take us for, idiots? Obama tolerated his mentor's opinions, which have been well-known for a very long time, and by tolerating them, acquiesced in them. What you don't condemn, you support. Clearly, these opinions didn't bother Obama enough to remove himself from Wright's circle, and to prevent him from allowing Wright to baptize his children. Obama's disclaimers are a day late and a dollar short, and are strictly the result of political expediency. Tell it to the Marines! Liz Renant

Posted by: ksmb2 | March 14, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama's response is disingenuous at best. There is no way he can have been so profoundly moved by a sermon on the audacity of hope and at the same time not have heard a single inkling of the other talk.

It's 100% okay for Obama, as an American citizen to worship at this church and to befriend this pastor and to believe and speak any way he wishes.

But it's not okay for a US presidential candidate to be so closely allied with this sort of rhetoric. It's not okay for a US Senator who has been an active member of this church for 20 years and a friend of the pastor to be so unaware of this message.

I don't think Senator Obama will be making speeches about his bigger numbers much longer.

Posted by: nlynnc | March 14, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

What we are missing is the comment by Mr Obama that Rev Wright has not made these type of comments in his presence. This I find very hard to believe. Rev Wright has been his pastor and mentor for over twenty years and this goes to the credibility of his campaign.

Posted by: y2kidd | March 14, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

What a country!

It's A OK to go on ad. nauseum about "the" holocaust- as if no other group has ever suffered- but it's not OK to bring up the horror of the US's slave trade and oppression of it's African Americans...

Posted by: pathina | March 14, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain is circulating this? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? Coming from the campaign who's long time supporter hates Catholics, when is John McBain going to apologize to Catholics? He probably won't because all the ChristoFascists that he is sucking up to think my religion is a cult.

When is this garbage going to stop?

Posted by: VeloStrummer | March 14, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

So now every Presidential candidate is disqualified because of something someone else has said. McCain's supporters are right wing pastors who say terrible things about other groups. Hillary's supporters say terrible things about black people. And Obama's pastor has said terrible things about white people. So let's not vote for a president, because it looks like no one can live up to the scrutiny. Or instead, we can look at the candidates themselves. I don't like Clinton's ethics. I don't like McCain's policies. So I will support Obama.

Posted by: goldie2 | March 14, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

ChrisDC-YOU need this,

Soooooo, here is a CLUE!

Barack Hussein SUPPORTS Minister al-Wright!


The Nut-Job Evangelical Moron Haggee, claimed Support for Senator McCain!

Are you capable of UNDERSTANDING the DIFFERENCE? :-/

Posted by: rat-the | March 14, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama has been hearing this preacher for years and suddenly he condemns him.

What a joke!

I wouldn't take a glass of water from the Prophet in the dessert!

Posted by: trace-sc | March 14, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Oh, please. Haven't we had enough of this for the last 3 weeks? This is entirely irrelevant, not only as an indicator of Obama's judgement or character, but also the Ferraro nonsense re. Clinton and the Hagee nonsense re. McCain.

All it proves, along with most of the comments posted thus far, is that there are a lot of loopy people out there, and the voters, media, and candidates would be better served by focusing on actual issues that will affect this country for the next 4-8 years, and beyond.

In short: Hillary supporters, McCain supporters, and Obama supporters:

PLEASE JUST STOP IT WITH THE OPPORTUNISTIC ATTACKS! PLEASE JUST STOP.

Sheesh.

Posted by: ChrisDC | March 14, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I have worked for Obama, sent him money and want him in the White House. But this will not do.
Leave this church today Barack!!! I do not care if Wright is retired, or that he married you or baptized your children. The Repubs will use this till the cows come home. Do not give the superdelegates a reason to vote for HRC, who will take us down to defeat.
Get out of that church or you are toast.!!

Posted by: ddcegan | March 14, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

The candidates beliefs and actions are what is important, not someone else's.

Why isn't the media instead pillorying Hillary for claiming that she didn't agree to not count the Michigan primary? Even though she agreed with the other candidates and the DNC that it wouldn't count, she now claims her 55% win against UNCOMMITTED is a fair and valid result that should be used for the nomination.

How on earth can any self-respecting Democrat give such a cheater the time of day?

Posted by: LouiseFletcher | March 14, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

LOL! "Uncle" al-Wright, the Radical Cleric! ;~)

al-Sadr, and al-Nasrallah could learn from "Uncle"!

Someone should see if al-Wright has a Militia! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 14, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

All the news blogs are linking to the HuffPo piece, and the comments I've seen so far include two points:

1) Falwell, Robertson and the rest made some pretty shocking sermons and remarks after 9/11 (as well as Katrina), and they weren't exactly excommunited from the Republican Party.

2) At least this might get the attention of the 13% of Americans who (according to a recent poll) think Obama is a Muslim.

My reaction? The next person I know who agrees with everything their minister says, will be the first. Same with any teacher/educator. At times they all say shocking things for effect, just to get their audiences thinking and talking. Who even knows what they actually believe themselves? Sometimes it's exaggeration, sometime's it's playing "devil's advocate".

I'm certainly not going to base my vote on what someone's minister says. I don't even know who Clinton's and McCain's ministers are - does anyone?

Posted by: TomJx | March 14, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Rev. Wright baptized Obama's children, got him married and was his counselor for twenty years. He needs to address these inflammatory statements. A statement sent to The Huffington Post simply wont do. He knew about these statements before hand and did not denounced them until it all came out in the open.

Posted by: Kelvin1 | March 14, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Here's the text of it though:

By now everyone has seen some of the exceedingly provocative clips from
Mr. Wright's (Obama's pastor) sermons. As an Obama supporter I am
assailed by the following questions/confusions regarding the fallout of
this episode. I have tried my hardest (believe me it's been excruciatingly hard)
to objectively confront the implications of our candidate's
relationship with his pastor. I persuaded myself to face these
questions by telling myself that one is nothing if one is not
intellectually honest:

1. There is an undeniable close knit 20 year relationship between the
pastor and Obama. I gather, the Pastor married Barrack and Michelle,
baptized his children, dedicated Obama's house, has been his "sounding
board" for all that time. The title of Obama's book "Audacity of Hope"
is from the Pastor's sermon. From WSJ I gather, the Pastor was one of
the first people Obama thanked after his election to the Senate in
2004. That, Obama consulted him before deciding to run for president
and prayed privately with him before announcing his candidacy last
year. How can one distance oneself from this deep and this long a
relationship? That would be akin to trying to distance yourself from
half your life. Won't it?

2. The Pastor called US the number one killer, held US responsible for
AIDS/9-11/Mandela's imprisonment and apartheid/Palestinian
plight/killing of innocents to bring down Castro & Libya - I mean,
it goes on and on over, not one or two, but several sermons. How do you
explain how you presumably sat through such incendiary sermons with
your family? Or, at a minimum, continued having a spiritual
relationship despite such rhetoric?

3. Then I read that these clips directly contradict some of the things
Obama has been saying about the pastor. It seems Obama said clearly
that he does not regard his church to be "controversial". While
addressing the Jewish Leaders he apparently explained his pastor's
anti-Zionist statements as being rooted in Israel's support for South
Africa when it seems those statements were never qualified as that. I
don't know if anyone has more insights on this.

4. Our candidate's primary counterpoint to Hillary's Experience has been his Judgment. If people question his judgment for keeping close kinship with someone who was asking God to damn America, how will he respond? What will he say?

5. Obama's candidacy is significantly based on his crossover appeal.
That is, his appeal to Republicans and Independents. He may yet get the
nomination but is his appeal not fatally compromised? How can he hold
on to the mantle of being the less divisive candidate while having an
unapologetic 20 year spiritual relationship with such a radical
preacher? I feel so hopeless about this point. I mean, how would we
feel if McCain was taking his family most Sundays to Jerry Falwell's
discourses?

6. Obama's appeal to the young and the "latte liberals" has been his
fresh-faced sincerity and honesty. To me, I know, that has been his
primary appeal. Now, how do I reconcile this with what his detractors
will call: the hypocrisy of calling, say, Ferraro as divisive? I mean,
folks, what is more divisive than the things the Pastor said about
"white folks", even clearly lambasting Europeans.

7. Of all the incendiary things one can say about race and society and
country where is an Obama supporter or surrogate who now has the moral
high ground to accuse the opponent's surrogates for being divisive.
What is disheartening here is that Obama has forever ceded that high
ground to Clinton/McCain.

I may be wrong - do persuade me that I am. It is very hard for me to
vote for Hillary but now I am thinking about the general election and
finding it really hard to figure out how Obama can keep his
constituencies, his image of being a uniter. How can he? I am seeing
those Republican ads running day and night showing a montage of all the
different ways this Pastor has denounced America and Europeans and
Israel, punctuated by Obama in his own words "I don't think actually
that my church is particularly controversial". I mean, Judgment,
Moderation, Sincerity - can they be Obama's defining pillars anymore?
This is so disheartening. Where do we go from here?

Posted by: Umbria | March 14, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

A very, very interesting summary from an Obama supporter. He/she sounds truly shaken. Here's the link if you wanna sound-off:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/obamas-judgment-wright-or-wron.php

Posted by: Umbria | March 14, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

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