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Obama: I'm No V.P.


Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., shakes hands as he enters a town hall meeting at the Mississippi University for Women in Columbus, Miss., Monday, March 10, 2008.(AP.)

By Peter Slevin
COLUMBUS, Miss. -- Sen. Barack Obama set out this morning to puncture the idea of a Clinton-Obama ticket, calling the suggestion an example of "gamesmanship" and "doubletalk" by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and former president Bill Clinton, who said here Saturday that a ticket with Clinton on top and Obama as vice president would be "an almost unstoppable force."

The very idea is presumptuous, Obama said, pointing out that he has won more states, more votes and more Democratic delegates than Clinton. He also said, with evident delight, that their notion undermines the Clintons's central challenge to his candidacy -- that he is not prepared to be president.

"I don't understand," Obama said, playing the moment as the crowd cheered, "if I'm not ready, how is it you think I would be such a great vice president?"

Obama pointed to a CBS News interview in May 1992, when candidate Bill Clinton said his most important criterion in choosing a vice president was "someone who would be a good president if, God forbid, something happened to me a week after I took office."

"You all know the okey-dokey, when someone's trying to bamboozle you, when they're trying to hoodwink you?" Obama said to the crowd at the Mississippi University for Women. "You can't say that, 'He's not ready on day one unless he's willing to be your vice president, then he's ready on day one.'"

He went on, to growing crescendos of cheers, "I want everybody to be absolutely clear. I'm not running for vice president. I'm running for president of the United States of America! I'm running to be commander in chief."

Less than two hours earlier, Clinton campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson found himself in the position of saying that Obama has not proven his ability to be president, but could be on the Democratic ticket if Clinton overtakes him and wins the nomination in Denver in August.

"Senator Obama has not passed the commander in chief test," Wolfson said before adding that an invitation to become vice president "is not something that she would rule out at this point."

Asked what Obama could do to prove his worth by August, Wolfson avoided the question.

Although the Clintons insist the idea of a Clinton-Obama ticket is genuine -- "that may be where this is headed," Hillary Clinton said last week -- the notion has always been implausible, at best.

Obama and Clinton have become fierce rivals in the past 13 months, barely disguising their growing disdain for one another. Their positions on many issues are strikingly similar, from health care to strategies to end the Iraq war, yet their approaches to leadership and to the campaign itself could hardly be more different.

The message of the Clintons's recent offensive is that he does not have enough experience to be president. A Clinton campaign advertisement asking voters whom they would trust to answer a ringing White House telephone at 3 a.m. was the most prominent element of her effort to raise doubts.

"This was designed to feed into your fears," Obama said at a campaign event in Wyoming on Friday. "I mean, what do people think I'm going to do? I'm going to answer the phone. I will find out what's going on. And I won't be browbeaten into launching a war that was not necessary."

Twenty-five minutes into his stump speech here in Mississippi, which holds its primary on Tuesday, Obama paused to add a fresh riff telegraphed by his advisers. He said he had heard that the Clintons "repeatedly talked about how I would be a great vice president."

Boos from the crowd of more than 1,700.

"First of all, with all due respect, I've won twice as many states as Senator Clinton."

Loud ovation, cheers.

"I've won more of the popular vote than Senator Clinton," Obama went on. "I have more delegates than Senator Clinton. So, I don't know how somebody who's in second place is offering the vice presidency to somebody who's in first place."

Standing ovation.

Obama went on to describe Bill Clinton's 1992 interview, then targeted talked about why he is running for president, and commander in chief.

"The reason I'm running to be commander in chief is because I believe that the most important thing when you answer that phone call at 3 in the morning is what kind of judgment you have, not how long you've been in Washington...And I believe that I have shown better judgment than Senator Clinton."

He talked about Clinton's vote to authorize the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq and her decision to target Iran's Republican Guard, which he called saber-rattling, then concluded with a another reference to the talk of an Obama vice presidency.

"This kind of gamesmanship" Obama said, "is exactly the kind of doublespeak, doubletalk, that Washington is very good at, that people who spend a lot of time in Washington have a lot of experience at. But it's not going to solve the problems of the country."

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Comments

the hillary crowd is definitely the past... ignorant, grouchy and loud. your days of living off fat, lies and fear are over.

the world is in deep trouble and we the young diverse and enlightened are now stepping in to tackle the problems you 20th century types created.

so back off, we have work to do. you'll be thanking us in 20 years.

Posted by: telyawot | March 12, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

msophia writes: "Nice site Pastor Gene but I wasn't saying anything about election polls. I said Electoral. As in Electoral College.

Here's a site for you to do your own math at.... without Mi or Fl it's 226 Hillary, 176 Obama."

msophia, allow me to update your political education. Electoral College math only applies in the general election and not in the primaries. In the general election it will not be Hillary vs. Obama. It will be either Hillary or Obama vs. McCain. So the electoral vote polls are the most relevant measure of that. Winning or not winning a state in the primaries is not necessarily predictive of a win or loss in the general election. The dynamics are vastly different.

So yes, in the general election it is electoral votes that determine the winner. But in the primaries, it is the number of delegates won. Those two processes need to be kept clearly distinct from one another.

Posted by: PastorGene | March 11, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

kamilia - luv it!!! thanks for the homework... :)

& AB68 - hahaha!! Our friend Eliot just showed how much, exactly, he has in common with Bill!!! hahahahaha...

Posted by: jencm | March 11, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Major Political Scandal!!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very fast.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don't want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care. So they can make more profit for them-self.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama's. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON'T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket now! All democrats need to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton. So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

Fortunately the Clinton's have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton's. Only the Clinton's are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

You should be angry America. "This is not a game" (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith...

Posted by: JackSmith1 | March 11, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

A better politician would answer and the correct answer would be:

"Let the people of Democratic Party decide who is running for the president, and I am here to serve the country and the people."


Posted by: foreveryoungiv | March 11, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a self-center, selfish, arrogant and perhaps most inexperienced that I have seen in the last 3 decades. He is unfit for being the President of the US. Unfit to be my president! Unfit to be president of the Americans!

1. In the time of international turmoil and national economic uncertainty, he is unwilling to give himself. He ridiculed at the hint of being a VP of the United States, disregard that his role could help the Democratic Party to win the election, and to change the country. How would he serve the country? For the country or for his SELF-INTEREST?

2. His rhetoric of change and dream are great in speech and book, but change in politic requires compromising, dealing and working with people from inside. He has only 7-yr of experience at state level of politic (Illinois), 4-yr at national (US Senate) --inexperience and lack of inside network for making effective changes.

3. He never went to war. He has never being in war. He has no experience in defending the United States. He is unwilling to offer himself for the cause, and taking no considerate for greater cause to HELP our country. He thinks only of himself.

I was awaiting for the Democrat Party to propose the platform of Clinton and Obama vice versa, but at this point in time, Obama is unfit for being a president and EVEN UNFIT for a VICE-PRESIDENT. I am ashamed of the Democrat Party for allow such petty rivalry to go on when we had a better reason to unite. Millions of dollars went to waste.

Posted by: foreveryoungiv | March 11, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Sadly, Obama shows his naiveté [or naïveté n. The state or quality of being inexperienced or unsophisticated.]

He should just pretend to be flattered and keep on gliding, navigating above the fray, as he did at the beginning of this race. People are trying to bully him into being tough. BUT Barack WAS tough, before, when nothing could touch his gentlemanly manners. But now he comes out swinging and he just looks grouchy and arrogant.

He was unbeatable while he was still using his manners.

Posted by: thinktank | March 11, 2008 5:37 AM | Report abuse

masterconnieiam is an idiot
get some rest

Posted by: hhkeller | March 11, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

If Barack Hussein Obama wins...He will start World War III for our Country...
What is not tell all his fans...Is what he really has in store for our is he will become a leader in a Third World county too; his goal is to unite the other Third World countries and then he will have the powers to BREAKDOWN THE UNITED STATES WITH NUCLEAR WEAPON JUST LIKE HUSSEIN WANTS HIM TO DO TO US AMERICAN PEOPLE AND OUR COUNTRY....JUST THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE IT CAN HAPPEN TO US....BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS AN IRANIAN AGENT FOR HUSSEIN...SO ALL YOU OBAMA FANS JUST THINK ABOUT THIS...
PRESIDENT BUSH JUST COULD BE SO TRUE....

Posted by: masterconnieiam | March 11, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

If Barack Hussein Obama wins...He will start World War III for our Country...
What is not tell all his fans...Is what he really has in store for our is he will become a leader in a Third World county too; his goal is to unite the other Third World countries and then he will have the powers to BREAKDOWN THE UNITED STATES WITH NUCLEAR WEAPON JUST LIKE HUSSEIN WANTS HIM TO DO TO US AMERICAN PEOPLE AND OUR COUNTRY....JUST THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE IT CAN HAPPEN TO US....BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS AN IRANIAN AGENT FOR HUSSEIN...SO ALL YOU OBAMA FANS JUST THINK ABOUT THIS...
PRESIDENT BUSH JUST COULD BE SO TRUE....

Posted by: masterconnieiam | March 11, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

If Barack Hussein Obama wins...He will start World War III for our Country...
What is not tell all his fans...Is what he really has in store for our is he will become a leader in a Third World county too; his goal is to unite the other Third World countries and then he will have the powers to BREAKDOWN THE UNITED STATES WITH NUCLEAR WEAPON JUST LIKE HUSSEIN WANTS HIM TO DO TO US AMERICAN PEOPLE AND OUR COUNTRY....JUST THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE IT CAN HAPPEN TO US....BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS AN IRANIAN AGENT FOR HUSSEIN...SO ALL YOU OBAMA FANS JUST THINK ABOUT THIS...
PRESIDENT BUSH JUST COULD BE SO TRUE....

Posted by: masterconnieiam | March 11, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

If Barack Hussein Obama wins...He will start World War III for our Country...
What is not tell all his fans...Is what he really has in store for our is he will become a leader in a Third World county too; his goal is to unite the other Third World countries and then he will have the powers to BREAKDOWN THE UNITED STATES WITH NUCLEAR WEAPON JUST LIKE HUSSEIN WANTS HIM TO DO TO US AMERICAN PEOPLE AND OUR COUNTRY....JUST THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE IT CAN HAPPEN TO US....BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS AN IRANIAN AGENT FOR HUSSEIN...SO ALL YOU OBAMA FANS JUST THINK ABOUT THIS...
PRESIDENT BUSH JUST COULD BE SO TRUE....

Posted by: masterconnieiam | March 11, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

If Barack Hussein Obama wins...He will start World War III for our Country...
What is not tell all his fans...Is what he really has in store for our is he will become a leader in a Third World county too; his goal is to unite the other Third World countries and then he will have the powers to BREAKDOWN THE UNITED STATES WITH NUCLEAR WEAPON JUST LIKE HUSSEIN WANTS HIM TO DO TO US AMERICAN PEOPLE AND OUR COUNTRY....JUST THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE IT CAN HAPPEN TO US....BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS AN IRANIAN AGENT FOR HUSSEIN...SO ALL YOU OBAMA FANS JUST THINK ABOUT THIS...
PRESIDENT BUSH JUST COULD BE SO TRUE....

Posted by: masterconnieiam | March 11, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

If Barack Hussein Obama wins...He will start World War III for our Country...
What is not tell all his fans...Is what he really has in store for our is he will become a leader in a Third World county too; his goal is to unite the other Third World countries and then he will have the powers to BREAKDOWN THE UNITED STATES WITH NUCLEAR WEAPON JUST LIKE HUSSEIN WANTS HIM TO DO TO US AMERICAN PEOPLE AND OUR COUNTRY....JUST THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE IT CAN HAPPEN TO US....BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS AN IRANIAN AGENT FOR HUSSEIN...SO ALL YOU OBAMA FANS JUST THINK ABOUT THIS...
PRESIDENT BUSH JUST COULD BE SO TRUE....

Posted by: masterconnieiam | March 11, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

If Barack Hussein Obama wins...He will start World War III for our Country...
What is not tell all his fans...Is what he really has in store for our is he will become a leader in a Third World county too; his goal is to unite the other Third World countries and then he will have the powers to BREAKDOWN THE UNITED STATES WITH NUCLEAR WEAPON JUST LIKE HUSSEIN WANTS HIM TO DO TO US AMERICAN PEOPLE AND OUR COUNTRY....JUST THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE IT CAN HAPPEN TO US....BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS AN IRANIAN AGENT FOR HUSSEIN...SO ALL YOU OBAMA FANS JUST THINK ABOUT THIS...
PRESIDENT BUSH JUST COULD BE SO TRUE....

Posted by: masterconnieiam | March 11, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

If Barack Hussein Obama wins...He will start World War III for our Country...
What is not tell all his fans...Is what he really has in store for our is he will become a leader in a Third World county too; his goal is to unite the other Third World countries and then he will have the powers to BREAKDOWN THE UNITED STATES WITH NUCLEAR WEAPON JUST LIKE HUSSEIN WANTS HIM TO DO TO US AMERICAN PEOPLE AND OUR COUNTRY....JUST THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE IT CAN HAPPEN TO US....BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS AN IRANIAN AGENT FOR HUSSEIN...SO ALL YOU OBAMA FANS JUST THINK ABOUT THIS...
PRESIDENT BUSH JUST COULD BE SO TRUE....

Posted by: masterconnieiam | March 11, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

If Barack Hussein Obama wins...He will start World War III for our Country...
What is not tell all his fans...Is what he really has in store for our is he will become a leader in a Third World county too; his goal is to unite the other Third World countries and then he will have the powers to BREAKDOWN THE UNITED STATES WITH NUCLEAR WEAPON JUST LIKE HUSSEIN WANTS HIM TO DO TO US AMERICAN PEOPLE AND OUR COUNTRY....JUST THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE IT CAN HAPPEN TO US....BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS AN IRANIAN AGENT FOR HUSSEIN...SO ALL YOU OBAMA FANS JUST THINK ABOUT THIS...
PRESIDENT BUSH JUST COULD BE SO TRUE....

Posted by: masterconnieiam | March 11, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

If Barack Hussein Obama wins...He will start World War III for our Country...
What is not tell all his fans...Is what he really has in store for our is he will become a leader in a Third World county too; his goal is to unite the other Third World countries and then he will have the powers to BREAKDOWN THE UNITED STATES WITH NUCLEAR WEAPON JUST LIKE HUSSEIN WANTS HIM TO DO TO US AMERICAN PEOPLE AND OUR COUNTRY....JUST THINK ABOUT IT PEOPLE IT CAN HAPPEN TO US....BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS AN IRANIAN AGENT FOR HUSSEIN...SO ALL YOU OBAMA FANS JUST THINK ABOUT THIS...
PRESIDENT BUSH JUST COULD BE SO TRUE....

Posted by: masterconnieiam | March 11, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

He's cute and can cut a paste a great speech but I odubt he will live up to he words. He's already signed onto Bushes extended war. He's already back pedaling on his NAFTA talk. Obama is more ego and theatre than problem solver.

His one vote to extend the war with no strings attached was the clincher for me.

Posted by: hhkeller | March 11, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

What is it with all the Hillary surrogates. Norman Hsu was a fugitive Clinton confident. He went to jail. Now the Governor of her state new York who is a Hillary surrogate is going to go to jail for running a prostitution ring.

Posted by: JohnMcCormick | March 11, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

So, Senator Obama isn't ready to serve as Commander-in-Chief, on Day One, especially in the event that the red phone in the White House rings at 3a.m. But, he is ready to serve just a heartbeat away from the presidency - as Hillary's vice president.

Bear witness, America, to the irrational judgement that 35 years of plotting and scheming yield.

Put it all in a slammin' TV ad, Senator Obama. ASAP.

Posted by: j.sankey | March 11, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Barack Hussein Obama is not fit to be a Senator and not to mention the next President of our Country.....
If he become our President there will be World War III on this Country hand not good at all.
What he is not telling the American People...What he really has in store for us is..His main goal is to unite all the Third World countries....and then War will began for United States... This comes from my heart and deepest feeling I have for this Man... I just wish others would see this too. Thank you for your time Connie


Posted by: masterconnieiam | March 10, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Barack Hussein Obama is not fit to be a Senator and not to mention the next President of our Country.....
If he become our President there will be World War III on this Country hand not good at all.
What he is not telling the American People...What he really has in store for us is..His main goal is to unite all the Third World countries....and then War will began for United States... This comes from my heart and deepest feeling I have for this Man... I just wish others would see this too. Thank you for your time Connie


Posted by: masterconnieiam | March 10, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

what are the MEN AND WOMEN IN IRAQ DYING AND LOSING BODY PARTS FOR??????

OIL and drug trafficking...

AND !!!,

are the United States Soldiers getting a cut, of _t_h_a_t_

____________________ M O N E Y ? _____________________no

no, they are getting their legs blown off, getting medals of honor and waiting two years to be declared disabled as they lose homes that they can't make mortgage payments on.

READ THIS:
Just as the Iran-Contra scandal evolved to include drug smuggling, the Iraq War also is closely related to drug smuggling. While the Bush regime has so far managed to keep the drug smuggling aspects of the war from reaching the media, evidence is beginning to emerge. The evidence comes largely from a former FBI translator turned whistle-blower, Sibel Edmonds. Hired to translate intercepted messages soon after 9/11 this Turkish lady first blew the whistle on the FBI for dragging its feet. She has state emphatically that she has seen documents that prove the Bush administration was fully aware of the terrorist attack before 9/11. While ATTORNEY GENERAL JOHN ASHCROFT, has imposed a gag order on her, this courageous lady has only been able to speak in generalized terms. However, she has repeatedly stated that when viewed as an international drug smuggling operation the picture becomes clear.

Sibel Edmonds has provided a huge clue in her generalized statements, a clue that points directly at the BUSH FAMILY and DICK CHENEY. Haliburton the oil services company formerly headed by CHENEY has a long history of involvement in drug smuggling and gunrunning especially through its Brown and Root subsidiary. Brown and Root also has a long history of providing cover for CIA agents. In the late 1970s Brown and Root was implicated in drug smuggling and gunrunning from oil platforms in the Gulf of Mexico built by Brown and Root and using ships owned by Brown and Root. In the 1990s Brown and Root was implicated in smuggling heroin to Europe through Russia. The heroin originated in Laos.

The Russian incident surfaced in 1995 after thieves stole sacks of heroin concealed as sugar from a rail container leased by Alfa Echo. Authorities were alerted to the problem after residents of Khabarovsk, a Siberian city became intoxicated from consuming the heroin. Alfa Echo is part of the Russian Alfa group of companies controlled by Mikhail Fridman and Pyotr Aven. The FSB, the Russian equivalent of the FBI firmly proved a solid link between Alfa Tyumen and drug smuggling. The drug smuggling route was further exposed after the Ministry of Internal Affairs raided Alfa Eko buildings and found drugs and other compromising documentation. Under Cheney's leadership of Haliburton, Brown and Root received a taxpayer insured loan through the Export-Import Bank of $292 million dollars for Brown and Root to refurbish a Siberian oil field owned by Alfa Tyumen. The Alfa Bank is also implicated in money laundering for the Colombian cocaine cartels.

THERE IS $80 BILLION IN UNRECORDED PROFITS IN THE FIRST STEP OF AFGHANI OPIUM COLLECTION, refinement...three steps later it could be worth $400 BILLION, in unrecorded profits...

for the bush family and friends...


selling drugs to your poor, as you pay for their addictions....


whoooooooooooooooooweeeeeeeeeeeee !

Posted by: a_bigone | March 10, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

REMEMBER the current fiasco/regime STARTED?

probably not, it was actually more than a few years ago.

key player:
GEORGE H.W. Bush Sr., son of NAZI SUPPORTERS DURING WARTIME, hehas purportedly been involved inthe CIA since BAY OF PIGS, Zapata OIL days....connections through his fathers and families interests and CIA/MAFIA/OIL/DRUGS since the early 1950's...

George H.W. Bush Sr.:
sent APRIL GLASPIE to Iraq, who with a nod and a wink told Saddam that his border dispute with Kuwait could be settled with military force and the U.S. would look the "other way." a lie, aruse, a deceit.

Saddam invades Kuwait, we now have an official reason to be there....HOT DAWG!!!
looks like we'll establish a presence in Kuwait, we already have one in Saudi/Turkey...our CIA trains al QUEADA, did bushes CIA train the 9/11 pilots.

Saudi Royals were given the rights to Saudi Arabia by the Brits after WWII, the SAUDI Royals were put into power BYTHEBRITS...

Protecting the Kuwaiti's??????????:
We go into Iraq with Stormin Norman....and kill 400,000 thousand Iraqis and

STOP SHORT OF Bagdhad....you know why, WE'RE GOING BACK...that's why we stopped...


and now that we occupy, are embedded in Kuwait,
we put the country of Iraq into a stasis with embargoes, until we need to harvest it,

the world economy is shifting and things are ripe....China Pakistan, and India are emerging...

THEN, the family needed to intervene....in this case the international riche, which includes the Saudis, Kuwaitis, and the US Affluent that stand to make a bit of cash....mind you the Germans, English and French have their hands in this...but your buddy dubya, is the gawdfathers only VISIBLE son....but the others worked behind the scences...opening security systems, fixing elections...


so U.S.A. intervenes on NATIONAL TELEVISION...bombs going off, constant coverage, city surrounded, surveillance on every living thing that's bigger than a booger..


and somehow, miracle of miracles, like the virgin mary turning up on your french toast:
Saddam escapes from Bagdhad with THREE [3] tractor trailer LOADs of cash.

$9 BILLION$ in CASH right? Anyone in dubyas extended family gotten riche lately?

the museums were emptied right? ha ha ha...that's rich.

as far as conspiracy goes,

there never was a CIA/NORIEGA/BUSH Sr. connection right? and the Chilean president wasn't asassinated in DC with full CIA knowledge, while POOPPY WAS DIRECTOR, and where'd that white up George W. Bushes nose come from? NORIEGA????

the thing of it is,
the United States suckered, under George H.W. Bush, Saddam Hussein into attacking Kuwait, so we could be the "heroes", and become military occupiers...to lead us to this point....


walking down the road with no impetus to replacing our dependence on oil, a non-renewable resource....because it's not to the benefit of the countries leaders

this has a lot to do with _families_ working together _not related by blood_, as well as politics that don't include you as a positive recipient of thier efforts, as well as...

helping you to understand that it isn't all cowboy hats and honesty leading you...

Saddam was deliberately mislead into attacking Kuwiat, by President George H.W. Bush, we indicated that we would look the other way if Saddam wanted to reacquire some land and oil wells that he thought the Kuwiatis had taken.....so we would have an excuse to extend our influence.

did we tell Saddam Hussein the truth?

no.

it wasn't to our advantage.

the bushes intimately understand the middle eastern tribe mentality, they have trbal mentality, they protect and work with their own....they use the government to get what they want for their tribe

ps. you're not included in their tribe....

morons in charge and morons voted them in...using demagoguery as a political tool needs to be exposed....predjudice as a tool.

you want a better country quit pandering to morons and pandering to hate.....

the point of it is, the bush family, is trying to bury some information that needs to be understood

the ultimate threat to this country is dis_information and people who spew it.


I would suggest that those who would use thier governmental office for personal gain at the expense of the citizens lose thier citizenship, and be charged with treason and their properties confiscated....

intimidation as control shouldn't be tolerated....
read the bill of rights, the right to bear arms was specifically inserted into the Bill of Rights to prevent the United States from being taken over from within, which is what has happened....

that's the point, a dictatorship and a congress that takes advantage of citizens, doesn't deserve to serve....

Posted by: a_bigone | March 10, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

It is an aweful dumb idea to vote for someone because of the person's race. That is one heck of a presidential qualification. I entirely wish our system was not based on such symbolism. I think that is a major slap in the face for the mother who carried him in her womb and helped give him life. Half of Obama's family is white. Therefore, he is mixed.

I wish the news would stop talking about the black voters as though they're the only ones voting for Obama. There are scores of whites, asians, whatever races exists whom are voting for Obama by the numbers with the same vision and he couldn't have gotten where he is today without them altogether.

Noone makes such statement with all the other candidates and suddenly this here man runs, and suddenly it's a racial factor.

That's like saying how Hillary would look, being a female, if her policies weren't skewed toward women.

Grant it, there are some controversies that still exists today, but there's bigger things going on right now and they're both proposing to take on the tasks. Obama's no less qualified than Hillary though, only he's not married to a former president if that's the case.

There's no way McCain's taking office with the things he speaks of, well unless some of these people hand the nomination to him condemning people of this country. Where are the senses??

Posted by: Obama2008 | March 10, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Hillary offer the vice presidency to Barack Hussein Obama,not he is qualified, it is to prevent the Democratic Party from splitting, thus McCain will have a chance.It takes a mature and courageous person to do that. What die she get in return? nothing but insults. What a spoiled brat! Obama will never be my prsident. If Obama gets nominated, I will definitely vote for McCain, and I have not voted for GOP all my life. Obama is not even to fit shine Hillary's shoes,so there.

Posted by: johnycheng1 | March 10, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

oh,

here's that a major teddy article I was looking for:

Voice of the White House February 28, 2005
TBR News.org February 28, 2005

"An absolute non-issue with the American print and TV media is the control by very powerful gays of the top policy levels of the White House. Growingly pointed comments inside the Beltway social clubs, homes and watering places about Karl Rove's "good friend" 'Jeff Gannon' are being very thoroughly ignored by the mainline press.

There are two reasons for this crashing silence. One is the fact that a large number of powerful and wealthy Republicans are gay and do not want their wives and children to discover that they put on leather underwear and spend their spare time at the Eagle over on New York Avenue or getting rough trade action at the Crew Club. Fat Karl Rove was seen by one of my people entering a private homosexual orgy at a five-star Washington hotel over the Mid-Atlantic Leather (MAL) weekend last year. All the self-hating loyal Republican gays at the no-pants party, many of them Senatorial aides and military types, of course pretended they didn't recognize him, and who can blame them - imagine how repulsive Fat Karl must look without his clothes. The report that came back was that Fat Karl greatly enjoyed the supervision of a certain hairy 350-lb.

Leather Dominator, who had won the

Miss Virginia Daddy Bear

title at the MAL festivities.

Karl used hang out at JR's, which is on 17th between P&S, before he became so well-known. This is a "respectable" gay bar for discreet people who do not wear mesh panties, high-heeled pumps and wear terrible wigs. How many people know about these activities? In Washington, a hell of a lot of the prominent. But very few of them dare to open their mouths because of their own small problems.


.small problems.


Obama Accuses Clinton of Deception ?????

tax records???? wow is it APRIL 15th already...this is serious, I've lost a whole month...FOAD


how about let's look at the books for

Halliburton
Bechtel
KBR
DynCorp
Blackwater
Carlyle Group????

you repulsive scammers posing as democrats

it won't happen if you don't elect Hillary, 'cause the bama saying it don't mattah


you know after Nixon was ousted in the 70's


everyone wanted someone that wasn't crooked and had no Washington D.C. connections...

listen closely, no Washington D.C. connections or understanding translates to


no support.


Jimmy Carter was a great thinker, and ahead of his time in working towards peace. He was the antithesis of a war monger. He didn't fit in with the Washington D.C. Military Industrial Complex, though he had been a commander of a submarine and had a degree in engineering.


He thought that because he had been elected President that people in Washington would treat him special, and with respect.


they didn't.


I don't want to waste four years with Obama finding out that it takes more than rhetoric to survive and get things done. And a democratic congress made up of elitists forging for thier own class isn't much better than a repulsive scammer congress....spending every dime on themselves.


Obama, hasn't faced what it takes to be president in these transitory times. Slamming the one person willing to address "today," as a person living in the past shows


his ignorance.


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Posted by: a_bigone | March 10, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

ABOUT TERRORISM, and fooling you oncet'

If personal motives, such as control of public perception, existed for the president to have covered up his "indirect" involvement with Sheikh Mahfouz, then Bush's claimed reason for the 911 report censorship could be a lie. Willful presidential deception would have occurred when Bush stated as the reason for his censorship, the need "to protect intelligence 'sources and methods'".

In politics, truth is often stranger than fiction: Sheikh Mahfouz's sister is actually one of four wives of Osama bin Laden, making the two men brothers-in-law, a fact that former CIA Director James Woolsey revealed in 1998 Senate testimony. Thus, Osama bin Laden is sleeping with the sister of Bush's business partner. Really.

Oil-related business deals between George W. Bush and several powerful Saudi Sheikhs, from 1979 to 1991, lacked both ethical integrity and Congressional intelligence oversight, since Bush used the same Saudi-controlled global banking network that was also used by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency and by Osama bin Laden. once a CIA asset. Yet, several abbreviated FBI and Congressional investigations later, this explosive truth still remains mostly hidden from the American public.

Consider the facts. For decades the current President's father, former President George H. W. Bush, has had publicly close ties to the oil-enriched Saudi royal family in regards to both politics and business. Then consider that the bin Laden family is the most entrusted of all families by the Saudi Royal household. For many decades, every Saudi King has granted the bin Laden's giant construction conglomerate exclusive contacts to restore all castles and holy sites within the country, and for numerous public works and infrastructure projects.

Also, consider that soon after bin Laden's September 11 attacks, it was public knowledge that 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, as was critical funding for bin Laden's al Qaeda network and for his earlier Arabic anti-Soviet fighters in Afganistan. Al Qaeda's predecesor was, in fact, bin Laden's 50,000 highly disciplined "Arab-Afghan" mujahideen, who were the most elite among Ronald Reagan's famous "freedom fighters", that were covertly given massive U.S. CIA support.

What is not generally known is that in years past, George W. Bush had several important business relationships with principle cohorts of Osama bin Laden's long-term financial sponsor, the powerful Saudi multibillionaire and banker to the king, Sheikh Khalid bin Mahfouz.

Bush's Deal with Saudi Sheikhs: A Reason to Cover-Up
This amazing story centers around and begins with the fraud-enshrouded Saudi National Commercial Bank (NCB), until recently owned by Sheikh Mahfouz. Following Osama bin Laden's U.S. Embassy bombings in Africa in 1998, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright told the Saudi Arabian Defense Minister, Prince Sultan, that Mahfouz had channelled tens of millions of dollars into terrorist accounts in London and New York. While treasurer to the Saudi King, Mahfouz plundered 2 billion dollars of the 21 billion dollar National Commercial Bank, of which he was then president.

The Saudi National Commercial Bank was affiliated with a global network of many Mahfouz-connected banks, including the InterMaritime Bank of Geneva and New York, whose vice-president brokered a 25 million dollar investment into George W. Bush's Harken Oil and Gas in 1987. Thus, the InterMaritime Bank was once related to the current President Bush through its Mahfouz-connected VP, a man named Dr. Alfred Hartmann. The InterMaritime Bank was also involved in multiple covert CIA operations.

During the 1980's, Sheikh Mahfouz's banking syndicate performed major CIA-inspired banking operations for such former CIA assets as Osama bin Laden, as well as for Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega and other drug dealing generals, such as in Pakistan. Much of this is documented in the 1992 U.S. Congressional testimony of Senator John Kerry.

George W. Bush, for his part, had important business relationships not only with Dr. Hartmann, but with a total of nine prominent individuals that are central to Mahfouz's financial empire, including both the "Godfather of Saudi Intelligence" and his partner, a billionaire Bush campaign donor.

If George W. Bush and Sheikh Mahfouz were ever coexisting in each others financial network, then the question is begged as to whether any personal or political reasons exist for the President to have censored the Saudi section of the Senate's report on bin Laden's September 11 attacks.

When two principal individuals are directly connected to the same group of nine persons --

with each of the the eighteen subsequent relationships having ZERO degrees of separation --

then one would say that a "network" exists that profoundly connects the two principals in question.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ????


COLLUSION w/bush families and the SAUDIS

Posted by: a_bigone | March 10, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

HEAD OF DHS, "We support terrorism as a way of avoiding jailtime."

Chertoff is a master of cover-up. He defended a financier of Osama bin Laden and kept him out of jail. He looked the other way during the investigation into the death of White House lawyer Vince Foster. Chertoff advised the White House and CIA on the legality of torture. No one said a word about any of this, and now Chertoff is in Bush's Cabinet as Director of Homeland Security.

The 9/11 Money
The June 20, 2000 Bergen County Record reported that attorney Michael Chertoff defended Dr. Magdy Elamir, a suspected terrorist financier. Dr. Elamir's HMO was sued by the State of New Jersey to recoup $16.7 million in losses. At least $5.7 million was unaccounted for, funneled "to unknown parties ... by means of wire transfers to bank accounts where the beneficial owner of the account is unknown."

Magdy Elamir financially supported the Al Salam Mosque, where the blind Sheikh Omar Abdel-Rahman preached before he was arrested for his alleged role in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

This is the same Dr. Magdy Elamir who was featured in the Dateline NBC investigation with Randy Glass. In fact, Glass said he had spoken with Dr. Elamir as part of his under-cover infiltration of the ISI-linked arms dealers. "Dateline" reported that intelligence reports accused Dr. Elamir of having "had financial ties with Osama bin Laden for years." During a recorded telephone conversation with Glass Elamir's brother, Mohamed, tried to purchase "small arms and ammunition."

In the words of attorney Lynne Stewart, even the most despicable deserve representation. But as Stewart knows, unless you have White House connections, defending the despised carries a high price. Stewart faces 30 years in prison for actions taken in defense of the Blind Sheikh. Dr. Elamir was a suspect in a highly-monitored, sensitive operation at the center of the secret history of 9/11. But thanks to Michael Chertoff, Elamir was not charged.

"Dateline" reported that Dr. Elamir and his corporations paid at least $5,000 to arms dealer Diaa Moshen. In an ambush interview on camera, Dr. Elamir referred to Moshen as "a family friend."

"By the time Operation Diamondback culminated in arrests in the summer of 2001, Michael Chertoff was the assistant attorney general in charge of the criminal division. Operation Diamondback would have fallen under his purview since it was a criminal case and not a counterterrorism case," said researcher Allan Duncan.

That means that after defending an alleged financier of 9/11, Chertoff became a prosecutor who should have prosecuted the same financier. In fact, there was a brief period before the verdict on Elamir came in and after Chertoff was nominated, in which there was an overlap between the two.

Chertoff served as assistant attorney general of the Criminal Division at the Department of Justice from 2001 to 2003. The post is the same one Robert Mueller held when he stymied Senator John Kerry's investigation into BCCI.

Master of Finances
In October 2001, fresh from his defense of El-Amir, Chertoff was picked by the White House to head Operation Green Quest, the multi-agency initiative to target sources of funding for terrorist organizations. Chertoff told the Associated Press on Oct. 25, 2001 that, "The lifeblood of terrorism is money, and if we cut the money we cut the blood supply."

Two years later, former White House terrorism expert Richard Clarke stated, "The US effort to shut down financial support for terrorist networks is being seriously hampered by a government reorganization that has left the most experienced agencies without any real power." Clarke was a counter-terrorism expert in the Clinton and Bush administrations until he left government in disgust in 2003. "The decision to put the Federal Bureau of Investigation in charge of terror finance investigations, and to give new powers to the Department of Homeland Security, [has] set the campaign back." (1)

In Congressional testimony, Clarke seemed to agree with Glass's assessment of the FBI: "Having the current structure where the FBI is in charge and tells everybody else what to do, is a recipe, I think for failure...The FBI by tradition doesn't co-operate well with other federal agencies and it doesn't share information. It treats other federal agencies as second-class participants in the overall effort."

While head of Green Quest, Michael Chertoff played a central role in formulating U.S. anti-terrorism policy, which included a vast expansion of police powers and the secret detention of hundreds of Middle Easterners in the United States.


Chertoff was one of the chief architects of Title III of the USA PATRIOT Act, also known as the International Money Laundering Abatement and Financial Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001.


_______________________________

Chertoff and Bush know all about Money Laundering,


and HILLARY knows all about _them_


does, the 'bama gama yama

.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 10, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

The Houses of Bush, Sabah, and Maktoum
By Wayne Madsen

February 21 -- The Houses of Bush, Sabah, and Maktoum. The Bush Crime Family's close business dealings with the royal houses of Kuwait (the Sabah family) and Dubai (the Maktoum family) either borders on or is treason according to information received from U.S. military and Persian Gulf sources by WMR.

The Sabah family and their business cohorts are reportedly SKIMMING 100's of $MILLIONS$ of dollars from the shipping of UNITED STATES MILITARY material, directed to go through KUWAIT BY THE BUSH FAMILY, as the material passes through Kuwait to UNITED STATES forces in stationed in IRAQ.

Moreover, much of this SKIMMED money is being used to FUND the Sunni insurgency in Iraq that is directed against U.S. troops...causing many to be maimed and killed.

______________________________________________________

so who is making money off of IRAQ,


the bush crime family and friends and they ain't all american


are they ??????

SEARCH ON BUSH, HARKEN OIL

SEARCH ON BUSH, cuba, mafia


ps. you couldn't make this stuff up. and any middle schooler could find the bush family and friends doing the


war profiteer dance since the late 1800's and back to 1790, if you knew where to look...

they don't know how to work, they do know how to INFLUENCE PEDDLE...

what does war profiteering have to do with O'bama being a inadequate personality to be president ?????

he calls history "the past," instead of


what he has to work with.


What does he think? The Military Industrial Complex is going away overnight ???? Ask JFK how he feels about the Military Industrial Complex...


you can't? why is that?


.could I fix it? yes. could Hillary and her team fix it? yes.


Could Obama fix it?


how? to him the problem doesn't exist. it's below his radar he'll fix it when he gets elected....how the same way he fixes things in Chicago


he outsmarts some stupid ordinary people...


like he's convincing the people to vote for image alone


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Posted by: a_bigone | March 10, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Monica for President!!!

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

cheersdk,

Bill spent many nights on the couch and in bed with other women as well.

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

If Democrats want to win back the White House to prevent an extension of another 4 years of George W Bush's failed policies, they should vote Hillary Clinton.

Here is why, the most compelling reason is Barack Obama is too arrogant to accept having Hillary Clinton as VP and worse now he proclaims he is running for presidency and would not accept being the running mate for Hillary Clinton.

This inflexible and high and mighty stance gives an indication of the kind of presidency we can expect of Barack Obama.

This is yet another indication of he saying one thing and doing another. He proclaimed that if elected he would unite America and fix the woes of the world.

This means working with the Republicans who would certainly attack him far, far worse than what Hillary's campaign had done so far and world leaders who may not agree with him or even readily accept a black president, bearing in mind not everyone in this world owes the black Americans a debt like white Americans. (This is not how I feel personally, but it is a sad reality that we still live in a racist world)

If he can't stand working with Hillary Clinton, how then is he going to work with far nastier people?

So far two of Barack Obama's top aids had given us behind the scene indications of the thinking of the Obama campaign on NAFTA and pulling out of American troops from Iraq. Yet he accuses time and again that Hillary would do anything to get elected.

Hillary is doing it to him but he is doing it to the rest of the world. That is far worse.

By voting for Obama, Democrats are in effect perpetuating the racial divide, sexism and idealism.

Can you imagine what the Black Americans will do to him if his policies as president are not skewed towards them?

White American males will continue to marginalize American women when the rest of the world had moved on. Look at Britain, Germany and India just to name a few countries.

Young Americans will continue to live in their own fantasy world, believing that Obama will talk his way out of all problems facing the US and the world and praying for Utopia.

Obama, with his affiliation with the Muslim, being born to a Muslim Kenyan father and a step-father who is also Muslim and a Muslim middle name of Hussein may be able to sort out some of the Middle Eastern and African problems. However, what about Russia? What about China? What about EU? What about Latin America?

Posted by: tgtteo | March 10, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Svreader,

Check out the link to a picture of your friends. They say a picture is worth a 1000 words. Sorry to burst your bubble. But Hillary is really evil.


http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/photos_surfaces_of_hillary_cli.html

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Hillary passed the Commander in Chief test during Bill Clinton's presidency. She slept in the same bed with Bill and was available to coach and advise President Bill Clinton without him having to pick up the phone.

Whereas, if you saw the report from this past Saturday Night Live show, you will realize how annoying Obama is even when he needs the heat in the White House fixed. Hillary had to tell him step by step what to do.

Posted by: cheersdk | March 10, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama Supporters --

You never watched the video, did you?

You're in denial. Watch the Video.

Obama let the people who elected him in Chicago rot in slums when he was supposed to get them decent housing and he funneled $100M to his friend Rezko.

It was Obama's responsibility to make sure his voters got what they paid for.

He didn't do his job.

He didn't care what happened to them.

He only cared about himself.

Does winning the primaries mean so much to Obama's groupies that they abandon all principle?

How can they even THINK of supporting a man who did what Obama did in Chicago to the poorest of the poor who elected him???

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the real Obama is a really bad guy

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

As an Obama supporter I am firmly opposed to a joint Obama hillary ticket. First of all its not fair to Obama who won fair and square, he has most states, delgates and votes. Hillary is trying to ride his coat tails because she feels she is privliged and spoilt and used to getting her way, demanding the black man to allow the white lady to join him, as if she was doing some favor to him.

Hillary is a power hungry, desperately greedy woman who is blinded by her mad passion to be the first woman president, this is why she in her delusion keeps saying Obama can be her VP...hahahaha!

You have to be very sick mentally to be in second place and seriously demand Obama to be her Number 2... excuse me? First of all Obama supporters hate you, secondly you would be lucky if Obama felt sorry fo ryou and even allowed you a cabinte position forget Veep.

Where do these Clintons get off with their absolute disgusting arrogance?

Get off Obamas back and F off.

Posted by: mildbrew | March 10, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

There is no way Hillary would have come this far without Bill, she's just too negative.

I think we would all know who Barack Obama and John Edwards are, but if Bill Clinton had never married Hillary Rodham no one would have ever heard of her.

She just _can't_ do it without him.

Posted by: illclinton | March 10, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

HRC is brilliant. She is trying to plant a seed by using Obama's strength against him. Give people a two for one, so to speak.

Interesting indeed.

This is an interesting race, I am excited to see ow it all turns out.

What disturbs me more than anything are the quips and jibes I see in these post.

To have passion for a candidate is awesome, to show disdain and disrespect against those who do not share your political views is immature at best.

I've said it before and I will say it again.

For those of you who have the knowledge and tools to do REAL research into the Democratic candidates, do so.

Use REAL sources with cred.

Make a decision based on that and that alone.

Anything else is irresponsible.

Vance McDaniel


Posted by: vance1 | March 10, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Svreader, you're back!!

Check out the link to a picture of your friends. They say a picture is worth a 1000 words.


http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/photos_surfaces_of_hillary_cli.html

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

HAS ANYONE ELSE EVER POSTED A COMMENT AND HAD IT DISAPPEAR?

I JUST SPENT HALF AN HOUR TYPING A RESPONSE AND THEN HIT SUBMIT, BUT THE COMMENT IS NOT ON THE POST.

Posted by: chersplace | March 10, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

The SNL video on the 3am phone call to President OBAMA.

See it now before they take it off

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/index.shtml#mea=227156

Posted by: mjno | March 10, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

For Obama Supporters too lazy to watch the video --

The video, which is of a Chicago TV news report based on information published in the Chicago Sun Times explicitly says that the buildings that Obama got Rezko the $100M contract to repair during the time Obama was a state senator were never repaired, and that 11 of those buildings were in Obama's district itself.

Obama got Rezko the contracts.

Obama was supposed to follow up on the work to make sure it was being done according to the contract.

Obama didn't care and didn't follow up on any of the work, as he was required to do, including 11 of the worst buildings that were in Obama's own district.

The last group of people to fall for Obama's charm and sales pitch, the poorest of the poor in Chicago, got totally shafted by him.

The good news is that everyone in Chicago knows what a lousy job Obama did and there will be many articles and TV news shows that will describe for Americans, in detail, just how poor job Obama did, and the needless human suffering his arrogance and incompetence caused the poorest of the poor people of color who made the mistake of believing in and trusting snake oil super-salesman Barry Obama.

Most Obama supporters will come to their senses when they see the video posted here or read the news stories that will follow in the press.

Some will not.

In the end it won't matter either way.

Enough people will wake up and smell the coffee, and Barak Obama will never be President of the United States of America.

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama's grandma, who still lives in Kenya, refuse to show her face to the camera, or talk to reporters. She knows the danger.

Posted by: work2play | March 10, 2008 05:19 PM
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I've seen several TV interviews with Obama's grandmother. Stop making things up.

Posted by: smc91 | March 10, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

mdeal:

Good job, however the "big speech" was in 2002 in Chicago. The 2004 convention speech was good, but not the one Rodham is blabbing incessantly about.

Posted by: michael4 | March 10, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Either candidate would do the country and our fellow American soldiers better than McCain contuing Bush's bullcrap. It doesn't make sense to vote for him because Hillary may or may not lose in either case (or Obama likewise), knowing people, KNOWING what he (McCain) has admitted he was going to do. Have we no conscience when it comes to voting? Is some petty Hillary/Obama election (specifically the childish thought if my candidate loses, I'm flipping the nomination), worth more than bringing our people home in some way or another ASAP? I didn't say NOW, I said ASAP which would be sooner than McCain proposes compared to the other two candidates.

I am curious, is there some President 101 college course that Hillary took that Obama skipped? Or is she qualified moreso because she's married to Bill? (I like Bill-outstanding President) I can understand how someone would vote for Hillary with that information. I'll vote for her if Obama loses. However, I'm not comfortable with the possibility that we should expect Bill to take over her job duties as president instead of her doing it herself. I'm not saying she can't do it, but I doubt she has any more or less ability than Obama has. Technically NOBODY has had presidential experience until they indeed got the presidential job. All agreed? Agreed.

I do like Hillary, but right now I'm pro Obama first as are a lot of other people. I am impressed with Hillary's experience, but I'm impressed with Obama's as well. Hillary has pretty much only passed a bunch of calendar days with all of her experience. Obama was aiding in passing some acts with his shorter experience, or shorter time served shall I say than Hillary.

I'm not so much concerned with him being present on the war vote, but I am moreso concerned with the fact that he knew better period. He had the wisdom to know why it'd be a bad idea to go into this war for all the reasons that exists in our current situation today. Sometimes the silent indeed has more wisdom than those who talk too much. I trust his wisdom. I know he knows more about things that shouldn't be allowed to continue in the white house, more than any of us here knows. He's educated enough to know what sounds like bull. He appears to have some common sense as well. As far as voting on the war, all he would have done is cancelled out Hillary's (positive 1 and a negative 1 cancels out even). Hillary, with her foreign experience, should not have voted for the war. We're in it now, ok, we need to get things back on track the way it should be.

We should step out of comfort zone to get it there. I really do believe that Obama is sincere and he has things to fix. He ignores no state. He appeals to every person whom will receive him. Why does Hillary not find every state important?

As Bill said, "If one is trying to get you to fear, and the other one wants you to think and hope, you'd better go for the one who wants you to think and hope." I don't understand why Hillary mocked Obama on that. Things 1st start with a dream, and you have to have hope as a component for action. Who goes about making some change without believing in it and hoping? If she doesn't believe and hope herself, I'm curious as to what she's really doing running. What other agendas is she running for if belief and hope aren't components within her campaign?

Posted by: Obama2008 | March 10, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Hillary will name Sen. Byrd as her running mate. Why, he's got 70 years of experience! Maybe not, unlike Hillary, most of his is not vicarious.

Posted by: merganser | March 10, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

RACISM IN POLITICAL CLOTHING.

This is politics/racism at it's sophisticated best. Clinton knows Ohama will not take this as a compliment so in rejecting the idea will be seen as ungracious, and uncompromising. Also, she and Bill know that it plants a seed of doubt that many voters are waiting for to help them vote for Hillary in good conscience. In other words: "Barack, people like you around here. You're educated, you speak well, you didn't support the war, you've inspired thousands of voters across the nation, you've rewrote the book on how to run a democratic campaign, you've reminded us that every state counts, but lets be realistic. The country aint ready for a black president. You need to get in line and wait your turn. Run when we tell you to run. So, we'll tell you what. How about we give you a nice title, like vice president? Hows that sound? Who knows, maybe after another 200 years of living together, fighting together, and dying together in every war, it could be your time. Thataboy." Hillary strategist are only attempting to sway the vote, and are counting on the American people not being smart enough to recognize her insincerity. These tactic are about as transparent of the play acting in professional wrestling. Sadly, the American voter won't be much better than the audience.

Posted by: pushkinon | March 10, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

aamittal,

The Clintons' double speak and hypocricy drive me nuts. So it bothers you when Obama says "Yes We Can" and when Hillary says "Yes We Will" (let's not even talk about the irony here), it doesn't bother you?

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Well done Barack! I will now make my second campaign contribution to Obama 08' because I believe you are responding to Clinton's attacks in a straightforward, convincing, and quantifiable manner (and in a reasonable tone).

P.s. I'm a student who can only give a little but have read both your books and believe that your are incredibly intelligent and will do the right thing for America.

Posted by: QueensNY | March 10, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

REMEMBER the current fiasco/regime STARTED?

probably not, it was actually more than a few years ago.

key player:
GEORGE H.W. Bush Sr., son of NAZI SUPPORTERS DURING WARTIME, hehas purportedly been involved inthe CIA since BAY OF PIGS, Zapata OIL days....connections through his fathers and families interests and CIA/MAFIA/OIL/DRUGS since the early 1950's...

George H.W. Bush Sr.:
sent APRIL GLASPIE to Iraq, who with a nod and a wink told Saddam that his border dispute with Kuwait could be settled with military force and the U.S. would look the "other way." a lie, aruse, a deceit.

Saddam invades Kuwait, we now have an official reason to be there....HOT DAWG!!!
looks like we'll establish a presence in Kuwait, we already have one in Saudi/Turkey...our CIA trains al QUEADA, did bushes CIA train the 9/11 pilots.

Saudi Royals were given the rights to Saudi Arabia by the Brits after WWII, the SAUDI Royals were put into power BYTHEBRITS...

Protecting the Kuwaiti's??????????:
We go into Iraq with Stormin Norman....and kill 400,000 thousand Iraqis and

STOP SHORT OF Bagdhad....you know why, WE'RE GOING BACK...that's why we stopped...


and now that we occupy, are embedded in Kuwait,
we put the country of Iraq into a stasis with embargoes, until we need to harvest it,

the world economy is shifting and things are ripe....China Pakistan, and India are emerging...

THEN, the family needed to intervene....in this case the international riche, which includes the Saudis, Kuwaitis, and the US Affluent that stand to make a bit of cash....mind you the Germans, English and French have their hands in this...but your buddy dubya, is the gawdfathers only VISIBLE son....but the others worked behind the scences...opening security systems, fixing elections...


so U.S.A. intervenes on NATIONAL TELEVISION...bombs going off, constant coverage, city surrounded, surveillance on every living thing that's bigger than a booger..


and somehow, miracle of miracles, like the virgin mary turning up on your french toast:
Saddam escapes from Bagdhad with THREE [3] tractor trailer LOADs of cash.

$9 BILLION$ in CASH right? Anyone in dubyas extended family gotten riche lately?

the museums were emptied right? ha ha ha...that's rich.

as far as conspiracy goes,

there never was a CIA/NORIEGA/BUSH Sr. connection right? and the Chilean president wasn't asassinated in DC with full CIA knowledge, while POOPPY WAS DIRECTOR, and where'd that white up George W. Bushes nose come from? NORIEGA????

the thing of it is,
the United States suckered, under George H.W. Bush, Saddam Hussein into attacking Kuwait, so we could be the "heroes", and become military occupiers...to lead us to this point....


walking down the road with no impetus to replacing our dependence on oil, a non-renewable resource....because it's not to the benefit of the countries leaders

this has a lot to do with _families_ working together _not related by blood_, as well as politics that don't include you as a positive recipient of thier efforts, as well as...

helping you to understand that it isn't all cowboy hats and honesty leading you...

Saddam was deliberately mislead into attacking Kuwiat, by President George H.W. Bush, we indicated that we would look the other way if Saddam wanted to reacquire some land and oil wells that he thought the Kuwiatis had taken.....so we would have an excuse to extend our influence.

did we tell Saddam Hussein the truth?

no.

it wasn't to our advantage.

the bushes intimately understand the middle eastern tribe mentality, they have trbal mentality, they protect and work with their own....they use the government to get what they want for their tribe

ps. you're not included in their tribe....

morons in charge and morons voted them in...using demagoguery as a political tool needs to be exposed....predjudice as a tool.

you want a better country quit pandering to morons and pandering to hate.....

the point of it is, the bush family, is trying to bury some information that needs to be understood

the ultimate threat to this country is dis_information and people who spew it.


I would suggest that those who would use thier governmental office for personal gain at the expense of the citizens lose thier citizenship, and be charged with treason and their properties confiscated....

intimidation as control shouldn't be tolerated....
read the bill of rights, the right to bear arms was specifically inserted into the Bill of Rights to prevent the United States from being taken over from within, which is what has happened....

that's the point, a dictatorship and a congress that takes advantage of citizens, doesn't deserve to serve....

but the 'bama knows this right?????

.I don't think so.


he don't know nothing yet.


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 10, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Can someone, ANYONE on these blogs please explain to me how Hillary Rodham Clinton has passed this "Commander in Chief Test?"
Hmmm?

Posted by: thrapp | March 10, 2008 08:30 PM

-----------------------------------
Dear thrapp:

The answer is no. That is why you see the same posts over and over again.

Is there someplace on the internet where an intelligent exchange is taking place?

Posted by: dlcb | March 10, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

djstates wrote:
I don't understand why people would be linking Spitzer and Clinton

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Anadromous2 wrote: [ some very basic lies that he is trying to sell ]


a bigone, ILLUMINATES:


there is no link, Anadromous2 is simply trying to wipe excrement on his enemies...

as is clyde too


why are they their enemies? The Clintons, they want to end Clyde2's and Anadromous2's way of life....they are probably the same person using two laptops...


what is their way of life? stealing lying and influence peddling graft theft embezzlement and fabrication, if he's a republican....and all signs point to that.


the repulsives use propaganda as a tool. what ever the public currently thinks is bad, the


repulsives try and link it through repitition....the truth of it doesn't matter


they can even use george w.'s lack of popularity and try and link it to Hillary or Obama as the victim of choice...


they have no morality, and no ideal that they are shooting for.


there is no point in having a conversation with them as their main impetus is to inseminate the public with disinformation....period.

the IRAQ, WMD, WTC, terrorists soundbite is an example of linking / inferring by vicinity...


it's information dispersal....

repitition.

they knew Hillary would run for president, that is why they have kept hammering on Bill Clinton...

they have the morals of a tapeworm. they don't care if Bill Clinton has sex with their mothers....it's irrelevant to them...


they are monsters sexually, as in sick in the head...they delight in degredation...

why should they worry about anyone else. they don't just like they are homosexual and yet use the homophobic vote against AMERICA....


SEARCH on JEFF GANNON, George W., gay lips, Victor Ashe, Karl Rove, Ken Mehlman


to see some really deep sick sexual shenanigans...


did george w. BUSH have sex with Jeff Gannon in the whitehouse ???? and then Karl Rove ????? and then Ken Mehlman head of the RNC ????


apparently.


.


.enjoy.


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Posted by: a_bigone | March 10, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Once again, a very Machiavellian move on the part of Bill and Hillary.

Sen. Obama is cleaning Hillary's clock as regards the African American vote and after Missississippi--another lock for Obama, what does Hillary face but masses of them in Philly and Pa!!

The college and professional people also go mainly for Obama, so Hillary is left with the bigots and poor whites. How does she pander to the black vote without alienating the Archie Bunkers of Pa.? (Hillary won with their help in Ohio.)

Well, drop a hint only to be missed by an idiot that if she is the nominee, then Barack might, underline might, get to be her second vice president. Always good to have one of his persuasion in the White House, they can be useful at times--in their place of course!!!

Thank God Sen. Obama is far too sophisticated to let this lead balloon get off the ground. He responded quickly and with finality in voicing his absolute refusal.

As for Hillary, this old Arkansas gal has learned the ways of sophisticated New Yorkers quickly. They would see her hypocritical offer for what it truly reflects-- total and unmitigated CHUTZPAH!

Posted by: AmericanInterestsFirstandLast | March 10, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Not voting for Obama. Dislike him with a passion. His cute applause lines drive me nuts. Boy do I dislike him.

Posted by: aamittal | March 10, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I personally love Obama....he is a super person in everyway.

check out this older video of him trading workplaces with a lower income lady..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=miUS7WnMgBw

Posted by: lesliedesign2k | March 10, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama has been taking a ride off of the Repulsive scammers work

as his own.

"The Clintons,"

the only Democrats to defeat the Repulsives SCAMMERS on their home turf


in the last 60 years


have been getting hammered by limp RUSHING BOUGHT


and numerous other Repulsive Scammers for 16 years.

GOP ers hate losing money and it going to the people....


GOP ers hate not being able to charge their business expenses to the people...

who is going to make out in IRAQ ????


SAUDI UAE KUWIAT bushCo and CRONYs and war profiteers


will AMERICANS see that money ?????


how are you doing AMERICA ????


can you feel the love as the GOP ers call you


welfare cases ?????

as they take home the lions share of the FISCAL BUDGET to their families...

and you lose your homes ????

look around. come out of your middle school playground popularity contest and look at what is going on.


Hillary is going through McGovern treatment and


Obama is the new Hubert Humphrey...who will either lose to McCain or be restrained so that he is ineffective if he gets the nomination..


JFK was killed


Jimmy Carter was backstabbed.

Bill Clinton persevered and built the economy back up....he withstood these people for 8 years....and the GOP ers don't want any more


MONEY interruptus


take them down, remove them from power permanently and pass legislation that requires them to be just as responsible for their felonious behavior as you have to be...


arrest them for treason, and execute them and the sentence when found guilty


. let them feel your love.....


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Posted by: a_bigone | March 10, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

"So, I don't know how somebody who's in second place is offering the vice presidency to somebody who's in first place."

This is how some "white" people see other ethnic groups...less than them. This statement by Senator Hillary does have a racial overtone to it. It would have made more sense if she offered herself has the VP, but with her arrogance, her better than you attitude, she would never offer that alternative. Shame on the Clintons.

Posted by: estami | March 10, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Condescending is the operative concept here. Aren't the Clintons just saying that there is a place for Obama at the back of Miz Hillary's bus?

Posted by: ahmargulies | March 10, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Mdeal, well done.

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Chersplace, your candidate has already basically endorsed John McCain. You're criticizing Obama for playing into the hands of the Republicans? You have to be kidding!!!!

A field day with his background? You don't think that the Republican attack machine isn't salivating over reliving Whitewater, Travelgate, the Pardons, Hillary's "missing" billing records? How is she going to answer when John McCain asks her what favors she owes to Ron Burkle because of his relationship with her husband? The other donors to CGI or his library, like Denise Rich.

I'll admit, Obama's going to have to answer some tough questions and you know what, he might lose. But to argue that Hillary is some saint is truly being ignorant.

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should be John McCain's VP. She's certainly doing a lot to help him already.

Posted by: adm19103 | March 10, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

An Open Letter to Hillary:
In respect of your current job application (your own words), I'd like you to respond to the following:
1. You claim that you have 35 years of experience relevant to the job. The experience, therefore, must have begun when you were around 25, probably just out of law school. How did you spend the first 12 years of that period? Starting as a rookie lawyer for some law firm, perhaps? What type of clientele did you represent? Were any of them indigent? Did you do any pro bono work? If you mostly represented corporate and/or wealthy clients, how does that translate to political experience or even getting a feel for the small man's/woman's situation? You need to list any humanitarian work that you have done, including names of organizations served, in those 12 years. Shouting until you are red in the face as a spectator at political rallies does not count. If you did engage in political activity in those 12 years, list names and times spent on those activities.
2. Could we set aside a couple of those 35 years as time-out for bearing Chelsea and rearing her in her infancy? Although we know that you did an excellent job a la Chelsea, you cannot expect us to give you credit for time taken for that task as political experience towards the US Presidency.
3. You spent the next 16 years as the first lady of Arkansas and the first lady of the US. Can you list relevant experiences you garnered in this time span? Be specific. What major issues confronting Arkansas or US did Bill consult you on or engage you in? Were these consultations official or as part of normal, day-to-day, husband-wife discourse? If the latter, that time does not count. Bedroom tête-à-têtes do not amount to political experience. If you had official duties of a political nature, please list them and assign the percentage of your time you devoted to them, such as a couple of days of the week. If you claim some years of experience by osmosis from your politician husband's experience, how is it that the same osmosis did not provide you with a whiff of his clandestine activities in the White House that are so well known. What I am getting at is you can only count a fraction of these 16 years as real political experience relevant to your candidacy for the US Presidency.
4. You claim that you have travelled to more than 80 countries. How many of these travels were in an official capacity? If official, what were your tasks and what kind of government officials of those countries did you have contact with in an official capacity. Be specific. Give times, tasks and contacts. Travels and times spent on prima donna type activities do not count. Can you name the capitals of 20 of those countries? Can you name the leaders of another 20 of those countries at the time of your travels? Can you describe some of their customs? Please post references to newspaper and journal articles on your web site on these travels so that we can verify your claims.
5. You claim credit for facilitating peace in Northern Ireland and Kosovo. Was your role in the capacity of observer or hands-on? If the latter, what were your accomplishments? Please provide specific references. If the former, your activities do not count towards political experience because, one way or another, we all can claim to have been observers of those processes.
6. At the end of the day, other than your 7 years' experience in the US Senate, roughly how many years of your claimed 35 years of experience can we peel off to arrive at your real experience? Less than 10, you might say. If that were so, you are the least experienced, by far, of the candidates left standing for the position of the President of USA.
7. Padding your experience to unimaginable proportions and belittling Obama's experience by equating it to a single speech at the DNC of 2004 is blatantly dishonest and pathetically disingenuous, not to mention the thoughtless insult thereby heaped on the many poor-income Chicagoans who have been the beneficiaries of the labours of that down-to-Earth politician, who thought nothing of working the trenches to earn experience the hard way.
8. You and your camp accused Obama, using very strong language indeed, of plagiarism for borrowing a political line from a colleague and supporter of his. For someone who has been through college and law school, it is strange that you have not fully grasped the meaning of that word. Plagiarism means to use someone else's creative (mostly copyrighted) work as your own. Politicians the world over use what they have learnt from others liberally to get their points across to the voters in an effective manner. Unlike in articles of referenced journals, one does not have to use attributions after every sentence one utters, because listeners tend to get turned off easily if one goes "Abraham Lincoln said this... and John Kennedy said that ... etc". The fact that I have a Masters and a PhD from a leading US university and have taught and guided undergraduates as a teacher and department head should give me the right to admonish you that plagiarism is too strong a word to throw around frivolously, even to score cheap political points. In any other circumstance, someone wrongfully or mistakenly accused of plagiarism is considered to have actionable grounds.
9. When a news station published a picture of Obama in Somali garb taken during an official visit to Somalia and claimed that it was received from your camp, why didn't you institute an investigation to determine if anyone in your camp was involved? Although, being dressed in indigenous attire when visiting a country is considered by locals to be an endearing trait in a visiting politician, the imputation of the contents of the picture to the uninitiated segment of the US voting public clearly has an underlying inflammatory intent. Is this how you plan to conduct yourself if and when you rise to the highest office of the land? As President of the USA, how do you plan to placate the Somalis after this very pointed insult, or do you consider Somalia not registering well enough on your radar to warrant being concerned about?
10. Why do you consider the circulation of memos by the Obama camp describing your and Bill's involvement in NAFTA and other such unpopular projects a heinous enough act for you to scream barbs like "Shame on you, Obama" on national television? Shouldn't your association with distasteful treaties that have left a large segment of the voting public bereft of their jobs be fair game for a rival in a hotly contested election, or would you prefer that voters have selective amnesia between the tales that you have spun around your political history and give you credit only for your good deeds?
11. What is this we hear about your reluctance to release your tax returns to the voting public? Is there something that you and Bill want to keep away from the voting public, such as the hefty fees that Bill has been charging for speaking engagements? Has he also been collecting fees for having his name associated with charities such as those for Asian tsunami relief? You cannot disclaim accountability for Bill's sources and amounts of income unless and until you have proven that you have not in any way benefited from his largesse, which would be impossible.
12. There was a savings and loan fiasco in the middle of Bill's presidential tenure. For the benefit of the voting public, could you affirm that neither of you had any wheeling and dealing connected with that debacle, directly or indirectly?
13. What guaranty can you give us that there will be no more scandals in the White House that will once again drag the reputation of the American presidency to the gutter and make US politics the object of derision around the world? What a hideously disingenuous argument you proffered when you compared Obama's tactics to those of Ken Star and his inquisition. Some of us were deeply aggrieved at that time at Ken's methods and ferocious tenacity. Although, the American public at that time were willing to overlook Bill's lies under oath, they will be far less tolerant of any further transgressions.
14. Why is it that you come across as having multiple personalities - sombre, bellicose and pensive? Is it a real or a choreographed effect? Either way, it doesn't auger well for someone aspiring to the highest office of the land. While actors becoming presidents are acceptable, presidents behaving like actors are a definite no-no.
15. George Bush had 3 blacks in his first-term cabinet and 2 blacks in his second, 2 of them in highly visible roles. To earn the title of the "first black president" bestowed upon Bill by an African-American, how many blacks would you say had any visibility worth talking about in either of Bill's cabinets? Would you be similarly disposed?
16. Considering that the news media have always given your camp much more visibility than Obama's, why is it that you keep whining so aggressively about news coverage being biased against you? For instance, CNN's Wolf Blitzer kept your cry-baby routine front and centre on CNN's news coverage the day before the New Hampshire Primary and almost completely blanked out coverage on Obama, helping you in a big way to turn the tide in that primary. Also, CNN's Lou Dobbs appears absolutely pathetic in his not-so-subtle support for your candidacy. What is more disgusting is the fact Lou Dobbs, obviously with CNN's blessing, makes no bones about his inexplicable distaste for Obama, even to the extent of brow-beating his guests whenever they offer an opposing view to what he holds. I suppose it is not out of the ordinary to find someone, who is so unrelenting in his rants about Latino (one of your main support bases) illegal immigrants, being still unreservedly partial to you, abusing his exalted position as a highly visible journalist. You did achieve the desired effect of exclusive coverage for yourself and your surrogates and a pittance of coverage for Obama. Is that the kind of fairness, or lack thereof, that you plan to bring to the office of the US President?
17. When the Florida and Michigan state legislatures moved their primaries to January from Super Tuesday in spite of being warned that their delegates will be stripped of the right of representation at the DNC, you did not do the right thing by removing your name from the ballot as the other candidates did, nor did you raise a hue and cry at that time about the voters of those states being disenfranchised. Now, realizing that you are terribly short of pledged delegates, who are the true representatives of the will of the electorate, you are prancing around claiming the pledged delegates of those states as your own with the full knowledge that those delegates have been elected through an invalid process and, therefore, have invalid votes. You also have drummed up support for yourself among the republicans so much so that the Governor of Florida, Charlie Crist, having led the effort in Florida to disregard the DNC ruling in the first place, is now leading a campaign to award the delegates to you. How is it that you have no qualms about violating the rules and bedding with the enemy? How can you portray yourself as an agent of change, when you keep bending the rules at every possible turn to suit your fancy? Continuous, blatant manifestation of Washington-type behaviour by you does not give us any confidence that you will have the will or the capacity to institute any change in Washington after you have been hired as the President.
18. Considering that Obama has been leading McCain in the polls by a significant margin most of the primary season while you have been trailing McCain more often than not; that you have been employing methods to promote your candidacy that are less than becoming of a president-aspirant; that you have spent more time berating Obama and claiming that you are the "solutions" candidate than really substantiating your "solutions" claim; that Obama is leading you significantly in the votes cast, delegates pledged in officially sanctioned primaries and caucuses, and total overall delegates; that you were aligned with McCain on the vote for war in Iraq; that you have less "so called" experience than McCain; that you and only you, among the current candidates, have never been able to show any magnanimity in victory or graciousness in defeat; and that you barely register on the charisma meter unlike the other two candidates; on what grounds do you back up your argument that you can do a better job going toe-to-toe with McCain than Obama?
19. Seeing the writing on the wall, you and Bill have now come up with your latest ruse - your willingness to run on the same ticket with Obama. If, God forbid, that were to materialize, why would Obama, leading in all statistical categories, play second fiddle to you? Going by form, it is highly unlikely that you will keep your promise after you have pulled the wool over the voters' eyes with this latest ruse and won more delegates than Obama. To paraphrase Lincoln, you can fool some of the voters all of the time, and all of the voters some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the voters all of the time.
20. It is clear that, should Obama win the pledged delegates count and the overall popular vote, and somehow, through some machination, you get the Democratic nomination, you, who are currently barely on parity with McCain in the polls, will likely suffer a resounding defeat at his hands come election time because of the hoards of African Americans and young voters, thoroughly disillusioned by the wanton disenfranchisement of their rights, will either keep away from voting or will vote for McCain, by far the better candidate of the two of you. Is this why your camp has now taken up the call to have Obama on your ticket? How do you suppose Obama, your purported VP with his ostensibly insurmountable lack of experience (your words), take up the reigns of the Presidency should you (God forbid) become incapable of performing the duties of the President? Did that eventuality ever enter your mind or were you thinking "to hell with America when I am no longer in the picture"? Do you realize that an Obama, who caves in to a dishonest arrangement such as what you suggest going against the lofty goals of his platform, will be no less reviled than you and your coterie of followers (Governor Rendell with his tongue-in-his-cheek arguments, for instance) that try to perpetrate such a shameful scheme on the American public? Has it not occurred to you that a Clinton-Obama ticket, unashamedly glamorized by CNN nowadays, is doomed to failure from the start, allowing McCain to amble into the White House effortlessly?
21. Your most recent claim that the pledged delegates could change their allegiances suggests that your craving for the Presidency has become so consuming that either you are beset with bouts of insanity or you and Bill have no misgivings about resorting to fascism to achieve your ends. After 7 years of Bush-Cheney neo-fascism in the US, a time when the horrors like those of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo came to symbolize the depths to which the once-revered American democracy has fallen under their regime, why do you and Bill strive so hard to continue in the same vein, depriving democracy-starved Americans the opportunity to pull America back from the edge of the abyss? What binding spell have you cast on so many of your die-hard followers that they can be so jaundiced to be unable to see the evil of your ways?
22. We all know how you and your camp have been hounding Obama to explain the criminal activities (still unproven) of his one-time supporter, Tony Rezco. By the same token, you need to explain how your far more visible, super delegate supporter, New York Governor Eliot Spitzer availed himself of the services of a prostitute who belonged to a "club" that charges its customers upwards of $5,500 per visit. This fact Spitzer has essentially admitted to. How is it that all you had to say was that Spitzer was in your prayers. Is this how you plan to hold to account anyone who is working for you when he/she crosses the line? What is good for the goose is not good for the gander is what you seem to be saying.
23. Here is a little history test for you and your campaign staff. Name the middle names of the following 10 recent American Presidents: Franklyn Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower, John Kennedy, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George Bush (Senior) and George Bush (Junior). If anyone of you is unable to recall all the names from memory, why is it that your camp keeps fanning the flames on the subject of Obama's middle name when he has yet to win the nomination, let alone become the President? Does not such action smack of bigotry? The dust will someday settle on this election, but the stink raised by your campaign's actions will scar the American political landscape for a long time to come.
24. The decline of the Roman Empire was brought about by the depravity of some of her rulers. Do you and Bill want to go down in history, along with Bush and Cheney, as the pioneers of a similar decline in the US? By nonchalant dismissal of the fundamental tenets of democracy, do you want the immense sacrifices of American soldiers, who are laying down their lives to preserve democracy for their fellow Americans and the lofty democratic ideals of US's founding fathers to be all in vain?
25. If you can answer all the foregoing to our satisfaction now and not some time in the future, and you can prove that your candidacy, which embodies words and actions of yourself and the surrogates of your campaign, has not had its moral values flushed down the toilet, then we will consider you worthy enough to proceed to the next round. If not, please have the graciousness to bow out after the next shellacking at the polls.

Posted by: MDEAL | March 10, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

wolfi101

How can you say Barack is bringing people together. Never have I seen our country so divided. He has played into the hands of the Republicans and will cause the Democrats to lose this election. Republicans love this man.
If he wins the nomination they will have a field day with his background. He is complaining now when people ask him questions that he doesn't want to answer and even walked out on reporters last week. The questions being asked now are nothing compared to what the Republican machine will do in the primary.

Posted by: chersplace | March 10, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Chersplace,

Okay. I see your point of view. But how can you explain the things I mentioned that Hillary and her campaign have engaged in during this campaign?

What in Hillary Clinton's "35 years of experience" qualifies her to be president, other than she was married to a president for eight years? The only major policy initiative she undertook was health care reform and it was a debacle because she did everything in secret and it was her way or no way. Ask Jim Cooper, the former Democratic congressman from TN how she treated him when he had the gall to say that maybe she should try to see the other side's point of view. She destroyed his career.

I will give you that she is a senator, but so is Obama. Obama also served as a state legislator for many years. He is also a constitutional law scholar. He also came out against the war when it was not popular to do so. Yeah, he voted after he got to the Senate to fund the troops, but that's exactly what we all would have done. The mistake had been made and we needed to provide our troops with everything we could to support their efforts.

What exactly has Obama done in this campaign to make you think that he is untrustworthy? How has he not held himself out to be what he says he is? Samantha Powers resigned because of her untoward comments about Hillary. What about Howard Wolfson and his comments comparing Obama to Ken Starr? What about Robert Johnson's comments?

Not a single Hillary supporter in this forum can justify or defend her behavior in this campaign and that is the problem. Obama is not perfect, but at least he is aspiring to something better. The Clintons seem to be stooping...lower and lower every day I might add.

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: info23 | March 10, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me, that the thing, that Hillary's supporters get most upset with is, when people point out the truth about their candidate.

Guys, this ~is~ an important position, that they're running for. And the only one doing what s/he says, is Obama. He's bringing people together and focusing on the issues (not misrepresentation or name-calling). So, he adds in the concepts of Hope and Change, too. So what? It's better than the words and actions of rewriting rules and divisive politics, which the Clinton campaign has been known for.

If you want a new America, you need to elect someone with the actions, visions, and strength to carry it out. Obama is the only one sticking to his guns under the pressures vacillation and confusion of the "Clinton War Machine".

Posted by: wolfi101 | March 10, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

svreader is back. For all of you who trump his/her simplistic arguments and Clinton talking points, keep in mind that once bested, he/she just vanishes. Kind of like catching your shadow-- pointless. But entertaining nonetheless.

Posted by: merganser | March 10, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

You are arguing that Hillary is ethical and humble? That just made me laugh!

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 10, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Could Obama be any more uppity and arrogant?

Posted by: niksiz | March 10, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Forget Obama. His ego won't allow him to share the stage. Go with Emanuel Cleaver, Harold Ford Jr., or Michael Nutter as VP.

Posted by: jaywpat | March 10, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Kam3

I feel exactly the same about Obama, I will not vote for Barack Obama.

I was happy to support either candidate at the beginning of this primary but I did not know enough about Obama so I tried to find out more. After reading Obama's book and reading whatever information I could find on him I came to a different conclusion. I really believe that Hillary Clinton is the Best Chance our Country has, and I think she is the only chance we have of winning the White House.

I like you, feel so strongly about this that I will no be able to cast my vote for Obama.
I do not like anything about McCain and I do not agree with his policies, but I do believe that he is sincere in what he says. I would rather have someone that I disagree with, than someone I feel I just cannot trust. I understand that you feel differently, and after a few years of watching Obama in the public maybe I will too, but for now there are too many questions for me about the kind of person he is.
I don't expect any politician to be perfect, but he has held himself out to be so much better than everyone else and I would have to wait for him to prove that he is all that he claims to be. I just have not been able to see that so far.

Posted by: chersplace | March 10, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

cowboy66,

If he loses, so be it. Like Hillary said, John McCain is qualfied to be Commander in Chief so the HRC supporters will have one their two preferred candidates in the oval office if what you predict will happen actually happens.

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

He's no president either.

Posted by: dl569 | March 10, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Hillary, behind by 100 delegates, is proposing Obama be VP?

This recalls Saddam Hussein's capture in 2003. Emerging unshaven from an underground tunnel to face hundreds of American rifles, Saddam announced, "I am prepared to negotiate."

Lesson to Hillary and Saddam: the loser does not negotiate. The loser just loses.

Posted by: wemitchell | March 10, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

If he should get the nod he will lose in Nov. because the repubs are setting you Ob followers up. They have been posing as independents voting for Ob in the primaries but come Nov. they will vote for McCain. I think he is being to hasty in rejecting the VP deal. WHY is he in such a hurry, but if he loses in Nov. thats it he won't EVER get another chance And after thumbing his nose at Hillary's Offer she should chose any one but him and that will also lock him out forever.

Posted by: cowboy66 | March 10, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton campaign uses the "cunning of unreason" in their attempts to persuade their supporters they see as less than capable of seeing through their distortions. This is more of their attempts to be "subtle" that does not fool people today the way it might have 10 years ago. Times have changed. Why haven't the Clintons?

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 10, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Dear j9zig1:

There are millions of Americans who understood the references to bamboozle and hoodwink. Do a little research. I had a very good laugh. :-)

Posted by: dlcb | March 10, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Its tough to find middle ground with Hillary supporters like zuckemand, when her campaign and her supporters continued to implore newspeak and doublethink. Between her campaigns argument that the "Muslim" photo wasn't derogatory and now their insistance that this VP suggestion is plausible, they are trying to defy reality. I've had enough of that over the last 8 years, and many Americans and citizens of the world have had enough too.

Posted by: aml_lewis | March 10, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Chersplace,

Fair enough. HRC would have been great corporate lawyer. But Hillary has never led anything successsfully, including this campaign or her health care task force (which inspired Dick Cheney's own secret energy task force).

I liked Bill and even Hillary until they started to roll around in the pig pen during this campaign. Comparing Obama to Ken Starr? Saying that McCain is more qualified to be Commander in Chief? Saying that he won every state because of the "black vote" or because it's a caucus state? Never mind Idaho, Alaska, Iowa, etc. Minimizing all of his victories and not congratulating him for them? Criticizing Obama for Rezko when the Clintons' have associated with so many questionable characters over the years?

The sheer hypocricy of the Clintons is what is making people so tired and angry.

I for one will stay home if she is the nominee. As she even said herself, John McCain is well-qualified to be Commander in Chief.

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Good for him. Don't take the bait.

He's smart to do this and here's why:

1) Obama's vision for America does not include the ugly, divisive tactics of HRC's.

2) He is not going to play the "sidekick" figure that HRC and her old white crowd think that minorities should play. You know, like that asian boy in Raiders of the Lost Ark, or the black partner to the white cop. Sorry, he will not be the "bone" that HRC throws to the African American community in a spirit of tokenism.

3) After Al Gore's experience, no sane person would want to play VP #2 to Bill Clinton. Playing VP #2 to Hillary was bad enough.

4) I think he truly doesn't want to be VP. He is something of an idealist. The VP is a job, like governor, for people who want to hold high offices, instead of people who want to change the country.

5) Hillary can not win mathematically. She can't catch up. She;s hoping to try to steal the nomination in the back room. Problem is, if the first AA candidate in US history is robbed, the AA community (not to mention the millions of young people) will sit out November. She is guaranteed a loss if she steals it. By refusing to allow her to steal the nomination and put him as VP to quell the outrage, he is calling her bluff.

Posted by: info23 | March 10, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons will be held accountable for tearing the Democratic party apart, as will the superdelegates who support their tactics.

Posted by: democraticvoter | March 10, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

So you want to know what qualifies her to be commander-in-chief? Did you miss her statement to the press, she is a FREQUENT FLYER? She's traveled to 80 countries. Yes, 80 countries. Can't you see, that in itself is enough?

Just like in her campaign speech to a group in Wyoming, before the Wyoming primary election, and how she asked them do you know what a caucus is? She then said you don't do you, and it doesn't matter so long as you vote for me. That's why I'm here. To all of the Clinton supporters, her condenscening comment bashing their intelligence is OK with you? MMM... what does that say about you?

Posted by: jtpowell2001 | March 10, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

svreader ...

is a Republican operative, and the reason he and other Republicans are so obsessively against Obama is because he knows exactly what I do: they can't beat Obama.

They know that they can beat Clinton, so they get on these blogs, pretend to be concerned about who the Democratic nominee is, and bash Obama.

Don't fall for it.

Posted by: ebdavies | March 10, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

mibrooks27, any links to the european press you can provide us with? I can assure you that CNN will be the last network to broacast anything "anti-Clinton".

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Hillary is back to her "I'm the inevitable candidate" mode and we know how far that got her before. She and Bill's chatter about Obama as VP is presumptuous and arrogant, not to mention risible. Obama put it beautifully: How can the #2 candidate offer the #1 candidate the #2 position? Like Billary said it earlier: let's get real here!

Posted by: AJBF | March 10, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I just have to say this. I am supporting Hillary Clinton, and I am not fond of Barrack Obama but some of the people on this post are just so out of hand.

I doubt that anyone on this post has ever done or accomplished half of what either of them has.

Slinging insults does not help anyone make a good decision. Throwing up personal trials someone experienced in their life through no fault of their own is just wrong.

Please share information if you have it.

Posted by: chersplace | March 10, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

KAM3 You must be psychic! It's now being reported that Bill is on tape! Governor Spitzer got nailed because he has a girl delivered from NY to Washington D.C. , across state lines, making it a federal matter. No updates about Bill yet, everything is coming out of the European press so far (too hot for the Clinton crowd at the NYT and Post?)

And "work2play" ("...Anyone born a Muslim is a Muslim for life, cannot change..."), I suppose, then, that the term "born a fool" was invented just for you?

Posted by: mibrooks27 | March 10, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

If you are interested in Barack Obama's Senate record, here is a link to a very informative article from The New York Times.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23540579/from/ET/

Posted by: chersplace | March 10, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

rollingfk,

Hillzilla and her "35 years of experience" are a joke.

The woman has accomplished nothing on her own in her entire life. If her name was Hillary Rodham and she never met her philandering husband, she'd be a partner at some Chicago law firm and would be shreiking daily on corporate law conference calls instead of in front of geriatric crowds at her half-attended rallies.

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

vvvvvvvvvvvvv

Nobody knows how the nomination will play out but two things are clear:

1) The Clinton campaign played this card far too early. After the blooper moment on TV passed, they should have just had a big hot cup of STFU.

2) The Obama campaign is now playing this card, well, not very well. What they did right is say "I'm in front in votes, states and delegates, so I'll decide who my VP mate might be when the time is right," and then they should just have a big hot cup of STFU. Anything else simply gives the Clinton campaign more ammo.

With a lot up in the air (like MI/FL) and more primaries and caucuses to run through, there will be ample time to decide on a Hillary/Barrack or Barrack/Hillary ticket later on (or other VP candidates). They should not be weakening one another while there is a possibility of both of them on a ticket together.

Meanwhile, the weakening McCain ticket (no money, small Rep. support, chained to Iraq) is getting the full benefit of the VP food fight over in the Dem party.

So, agree to disagree and get on with your campaigns. Have a big hot cup of STFU on the VP issue for now.


^^^^^^^^^^^^

Posted by: AlanBrowne | March 10, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

If you are a Democrat and support Clinton for president, you are simply a moron. You are an idiot.

Here's why:

CLINTON CANNOT WIN IN NOVEMBER!
CLINTON CANNOT WIN IN NOVEMBER!
CLINTON CANNOT WIN IN NOVEMBER!

Holy Moly! How obvious does it have to get?

For 4 years the Republicans have been preparing and preparing -- and honing their vicious attacks -- for ONE and only ONE opponent ... Hillary Clinton!

And, they are just waiting for Democrats to fall into the trap of nominating her.

Are you REALLY ready for a complete re-hash of Whitewater, the "travelgate" non-scandal, the "filegate' non-scandal, or the Vince Foster thing, or the 100,000 cattle investment, etc, etc., etc.?

How can Democrats not understand this!?

By the way, this is precisely why I am not a Democrat -- Democrats are dumber than a box of rocks. I mean, honestly, how stupid would you have to be to be a Democrat and support Hillary Clinton!? Really. How stupid would you have to be?


Posted by: ebdavies | March 10, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps at the convention the Dems could broker a deal to provide the vice-president, Clinton or Obama, with considerably more power than one in that position is normally accorded, perhaps according to his or her main interests or skills.

Posted by: e9999999 | March 10, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Say what you want about Obama, but he doesn't shy away from any such lame charges and he answers everything timely and dead on; the way it should be. He does it without having to brush off his suit; he's beyond truth in politics. Hillary is slowly shaming herself out of the race.

Posted by: fbutler1 | March 10, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

This is nothing compared to what else she said yesterday. Now Hilary is suggesting that the pledged delegates are not bound by the voters in their districts. I have a new slogan for her. "Hilary, only candidate ready for dictator in chief on day one". Now that I agree with.

Posted by: Arny | March 10, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

for hillary to suggest that senator obama isn't ready until he passes her test on national security shows she has mental problems.

Posted by: ronaldtennillegeorgia1 | March 10, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS NOT AMERICAN IDOL. THIS IS THE NOMINATION FOR PRESIDENCY OF THE GREATEST, MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY ON EARTH!

Obama has hi-jacked this nomination because of the DISCRIMINATORY and FLAWED CAUCUS System which is unfair to Seniors (don't drive in the evening), Handicapped/Disabled (vote absentee, but, cannot in caucuses), Lower Class (many work in the evenings or have limited transportation for a short window election like the Caucus as opposed to a full day primary).

The Super-Delegates can fix this by awarding Hillary the votes she would have received in a normal, full-day primary as demonstrated in Texas.

Like the debates, Obama always waits on Hillary to go first, now that she has come up with a SOLUTION, all the SPEECH making idol contestant fool can do is turn down her overture!

Doesn't he appreciate that she has to offer him the V.P. position because it has been hi-jacked by (A) The American Idol crowd and (B) The red-state haters who are just voting for Obama as a vote against Hillary knowing that in the General Election they have no intent on voting for Obama?

There are many other deserving candidates out there with more than 2 years of U.S. senate EXPERIENCE!

Posted by: cheersdk | March 10, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Oh come on here, if Democrat New York Gov
Eliot Spitzer can get busted for having sex
with a high priced prostitute then why
shouldn't con man Barack Hussein Obama
get busted for sselling himself to Chicago
Slumlord and Democrat Fixer Tony Rezko?
As prostitution is still prostitution when
someone sells their body to someone else
for money,isn't it? Okay so then both Gov
Spitzer and Barack Hussein Obama must either resign or be impeached since it's
all about sell again,isn't it here? lol

Posted by: sandylong5274 | March 10, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Can someone, ANYONE on these blogs please explain to me how Hillary Rodham Clinton has passed this "Commander in Chief Test?"
Hmmm?

Posted by: thrapp | March 10, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS NOT AMERICAN IDOL. THIS IS THE NOMINATION FOR PRESIDENCY OF THE GREATEST, MOST POWERFUL COUNTRY ON EARTH!

Obama has hi-jacked this nomination because of the DISCRIMINATORY and FLAWED CAUCUS System which is unfair to Seniors (don't drive in the evening), Handicapped/Disabled (vote absentee, but, cannot in caucuses), Lower Class (many work in the evenings or have limited transportation for a short window election like the Caucus as opposed to a full day primary).

The Super-Delegates can fix this by awarding Hillary the votes she would have received in a normal, full-day primary as demonstrated in Texas.

Like the debates, Obama always waits on Hillary to go first, now that she has come up with a SOLUTION, all the SPEECH making idol contestant fool can do is turn down her overture!

Doesn't he appreciate that she has to offer him the V.P. position because it has been hi-jacked by (A) The American Idol crowd and (B) The red-state haters who are just voting for Obama as a vote against Hillary knowing that in the General Election they have no intent on voting for Obama?

There are many other deserving candidates out there with more than 2 years of U.S. senate EXPERIENCE!

Posted by: cheersdk | March 10, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

so all of you Obama nauts understand what Obama is up against right????


you read and understand my posts right?

you don't have a clue right????

you have no understanding of how washington works right????


.the president changes the people don't.


not unless _you_ know how to make that happen.


they killed JFK, MLK, and backstabbed Jimmy Carter


Bill Clinton finished his eight years even with the hate machine running...


and fixed the economy too....


but you all know how to do that right?


stop the "war," you don't have enough intelligence to quit using _their_ framing


you're ignorant of what needs to be done


all you have is a need to feel like you've done something....sell manhattan for some glass beads, sign that treaty


I am not that naive....but you seem to be. Why is that ?


Is that how you would hire a manager, based upon hoping it worked out okay????


are you afraid of being examined on your naivete'

.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 10, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I still have not heard one thing that Barack Obama has accomplished as Senator. No one knows how he would have voted on the war IF he was in the Senate then. It is easy to say what he would have done then, but he has no difference in voting since he came to the Senate than Hillary. He talks a good game and complains when he takes a hit. If he thinks Hillary is negative, wait till the Republicans hit him.
Thank Goodness Hillary is going to win the nomination.

Posted by: rollingfk | March 10, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I still have not heard one thing that Barack Obama has accomplished as Senator. No one knows how he would have voted on the war IF he was in the Senate then. It is easy to say what he would have done then, but he has no difference in voting since he came to the Senate than Hillary. He talks a good game and complains when he takes a hit. If he thinks Hillary is negative, wait till the Republicans hit him.
Thank Goodness Hillary is going to win the nomination.

Posted by: rollingfk | March 10, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I still have not heard one thing that Barack Obama has accomplished as Senator. No one knows how he would have voted on the war IF he was in the Senate then. It is easy to say what he would have done then, but he has no difference in voting since he came to the Senate than Hillary. He talks a good game and complains when he takes a hit. If he thinks Hillary is negative, wait till the Republicans hit him.
Thank Goodness Hillary is going to win the nomination.

Posted by: rollingfk | March 10, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

another piece of logic, many should relate with. It does make sense to "stick with what you're used to." However, sometimes you should step out of your "comfort zone" to make further progress.

Could point from my college, glad I went to receive that piece of advice =)! Spread the words!

Posted by: Obama2008 | March 10, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

IS !!!!


IS NOT !!!


what a bunch of little children.


where's your information that actually means something poseurs ???


should we get out of IRAQ immediately ???


no, what we should do is seperate the war profiteers from the profits....


sequester the contractors from their current owners as a matter of National Security...


then redeploy managers that will actually tell the truth,


seperate the war profiteers Halliburton, KBR, Blackwater, Carlyle Group and Bechtel from


the money, conscript the contractors as a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY, and put them on GS SCALE WAGES...


and then see what happens over the next 3 months, slap liens on the companies initially and require them to stand under IRS examination...


they have been exempt so far.


Blackwater has told CONGRESS to go FXXX themselves when Congress asked for the billings from Blackwater...


you don't know where the money is going.

but you do know that $362 Tonnes of MONEY


12 BILLION IN CASH WAS DISTRIBUTED WITH NO RECORD KEEPING IN IRAQ BY PAUL BREMER


on george "our first gay president," W. Bush...


hooooooooray for firsts.....heh heh heh


SEARCH on Jeff Gannon, George W. Bush, lips


.
there is a certain music that is playing in the media


and I would call it the Republican dominated spin machine.

let's be real, George W. has been having a male prostitute spending the night at the whitehouse for 2 years


and you don't hear jack about it...

what's with that????


doubt me? think I am an arrogant black man with no grasp on reality? sorry that's your man...


SEARCH on George W. Bush, Victor Ashe, Ken Mehlman, Karl Rove, Gay, Jeff Gannon, Trent Lott


why is it that an alcoholic draft dodger cocaine snorting unprosecuted felon....get elected president


and we don't hear about it without doing some digging ourselves...


but Hillary passes gas or grimaces or laughs and you all act like she just crucified jeeeeeeeezeus.....sound like spin ??


sound like the last 16 years of unending propaganda from the repulsive scammer love machinethat the OH bama is only to happy to get a ride on???


Posted by: a_bigone | March 10, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

chersplace,

I saw the picture and read the article. So Obama made a mistake and associated with someone he shouldn't have. He's admitted it and he's moved on. The point was to show the hyprocricy of the Clinton supporters keep harping on Rezko as if it is the most important issue in the campaign. She herself has associated with him and lots of other questionable people over the years. As have most politicians.

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Svreader

I apologize, the link I was referring to was posted by Kam3 in a response to you.
My mistake. Sorry.

Posted by: chersplace | March 10, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton should be expelled from the Democratic Party.

Posted by: mnjam | March 10, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm a democrat. I have lived through over 7 years of a Bush Presidency that has turned my stomach. I don't care if Obama wins the nomination or Hillary does. Since there is virtually no difference in their platforms it really comes down to who you like or dislike. Either way each of them beats the current brain dead president by a mile. Come November I'll vote for whichever one is on the ticket. If they are both on the same ticket all the better. I don't even care which one is president and which one is vp if it comes to that. It's past time to upgrade the intelligence quotient in the Oval Office and either of these current US Senators will be a welcome change.

Posted by: blund | March 10, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Even if imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I'm going to imitate Svreader and repost the same post. Apologies in advance to everyone else on the board.


Svreader, check out the link to a picture of your friends. They say a picture is worth a 1000 words.


http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/photos_surfaces_of_hillary_cli.html

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Kam3

Did you even read the link that you posted. It is againt Obama and in favor of Clinton...


Posted by: chersplace | March 10, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Clinton suggesting Obama as a VP running mate is no more presumptuous than the Obama campaign and others suggesting Clinton should drop out.

Posted by: e_snyderman | March 10, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

As I said a few posts above, all you angry people on this blog seem like you're going to be very upset if one beats the other, but no matter how and when, one WILL beat the other and then what? 25% of the dem. votes will vanish?

I wish they could share the top place but the next best thing is one will agree to be second best. I would if I were in that position, for the sake of the votes that would be lost otherwise.

And it's not so clear to me that Obama is such a divider as friend1 said. I think he doesn't want to say anything now. All he's saying is he's not running for second. He didn't say he wouldn't accept it if it came to that, did he.

Posted by: landreas | March 10, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse


"You can't better the world by simply talking to it. Philosophy to be effective must be mechanically applied." - Buckminster Fulle

Posted by: hhkeller | March 10, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama can't win.

Mainstream American won't elect a chicago politician who screwed over the people who elected him, left them in unlivable slums, and is a lacky for a Syran Slumlord.

Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

KAM3 --

No. You're lying. ....

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 07:34 PM

"I did not have sex with that woman."

Posted by: Bill Clinton | January 26, 1998
_________________________________________

svreader, calling someone else a liar? Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, pot.

Posted by: gbooksdc | March 10, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

I believe that a user name incorporating genitalia as well as a post from said user should be removed post haste.

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | March 10, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

cher --

You sure didn't click on the link.

Its a video.

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama Supporters --

You never watched the video, did you?

You're in denial. Watch the Video.

Obama let the people who elected him in Chicago rot in slums when he was supposed to get them decent housing and he funneled $100M to his friend Rezko.

It was Obama's responsibility to make sure his voters got what they paid for.

He didn't do his job.

He didn't care what happened to them.

He only cared about himself.

Does winning the primaries mean so much to Obama's groupies that they abandon all principle?

How can they even THINK of supporting a man who did what Obama did in Chicago to the poorest of the poor who elected him???

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the real Obama is a really bad guy

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is hedging her bets. I think her Obama for VP ploy is intended to guilt or shame him into offering the spot to her when he wraps up the nomination. He would be crazy to do so for one simple reason: with Hillary comes Bill. Obama is going to have his hands full administering the country and will not hav time to be distracted by the Clinton antics in the VPs office.

Posted by: JoeBewildered | March 10, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

jainpa,

I'm glad someone else has noticed the persistent lack of civility from the Obama machine's operatives. I ought to be used to their crudeness by now, but they continue to shock me. ...

Posted by: ichief | March 10, 2008 05:01 PM
_________________________________________
Breaking News:-
Police seek two Obama supporters in UNC Student killing.

One of Obama supporter arrested for Auburn killing

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 05:04 PM
_________________________________________

Pretty hypocritical, if you ask me.

Posted by: gbooksdc | March 10, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I was starting to get a little worried Senator Clinton would succeed in stealing the nomination from Barack. However, most of the comments from these supposed Hillary supporters are very childish, this shows they are becoming desperate becaus they know she can not fairly or unfairly win the nomination.

I have noticed how many of Senator Clinton's supporters here and some other places on the internet often project, they describe Barack and/or his supporters in a way that really aptly describes them.

Posted by: Koreen | March 10, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Svreader

Did you even read the article that you posted the link to. If you didn't you should and if you did, don't you think you are really stretching it>

Posted by: chersplace | March 10, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

svreader is simply a proven liar. And we all know it. Go to http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/02/democratic_debate_preview_is_t.html, and see svreader's post at 09:43 PM and my post at 11:12 PM.

Posted by: gbooksdc | March 10, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse


ABSOLUTELY RIGHT - NO VP AND NOT PRESIDENT EITHER !!

CIRCUS OBAMA IS BACK IN TOWN

First we had his impressins act: MLK, JFK, Thomsas Jefferson, Duval Patrick, many others. Feel free to view here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU

He's back in Mississippi and back into his black accent voice and his MLK quotes. He's SO freaking marketed and predicable. Nothing new about this guy - TOTAL DC, TOTAL POLITICIAN.


NOW HIS FLIP FLOP ACT

NAFTA wink-wink politics assuring other governments that trail talk is only talk

PUBLIC FUNDING now he says he wants to spend millions and millions - real "DIFFERENT" kind of politician? Not at all.

POSITIVE CAMPAIGN PLEDGE he's been as negative as anyone - just a backdoor guy. Uses others, pulls the chair out, uses the word "whine", coaches the press in little huddles on CNN. He's a trickster.


Here are two articles - one a video and one a must read NY Times article - be an informed citizen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/us/politics/09obama.html?hp


McCain will chew Obama up and spit him out. We need to save ourselves and Obama the embarrassment !


Posted by: Thinker | March 10, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

The democratic party is being divided by political manuvering and tactics once reserved for republicans (against democrats). As I see the veracity of the comments made by supporters of Obama and Clinton (such as in these blogs) it is painfuly obvious that the divide-and-conquer card has been played. People who see almost eye to eye on most issues are spraying vitrol with emotion against each other because the choice between the two candidates has been framed in terms of right and wrong, not as different.

I think a lot of republicans are feely a bit more rosey about their hopes for another republican in the white house in 2009 because the democratic party now seems bent on destroying itself.

As an independant I was drawn to participate in the democratic primary process because it appeared it could be an opportunity to heal the wounds of a divided country. I'm losing hope as this race degrades to new depths.

If you're smart, you'll be able to recognize which camp has lowered the bar. Rest assured, obtaining the job is not worth the continued damage this kind of discourse forces on our country.

Posted by: dennism | March 10, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

So the "Uniter" is averse to the idea of a united ticket (he did not even propose an Obama-Clinton ticket). I guess the plotical messiah from Chicago only feels love for Republicans from Idaho not the Democrats from California, New York, Ohio, Texas...

Posted by: Friend1 | March 10, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Hillary can't win the Presidency now, even if she gets the nomination. She and Bill have turned so negative and become so disrespectful that, if she should somehow finagle the nomination, hundreds of thousands of progressive Democrats will either sit on their hands in November and abstain, or vote for Nader.

She simply will not beat McCain. And she has only herself and her husband to blame.

Posted by: dlopata | March 10, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Whoever said Hillary Clinton has the media on her side has to be joking.
If the media were not biased in favor of Obama he would already be out of the race.
Once they actually report the truth about this man and start to really investigate him his followers are going to feel very foolish.

He should not be so arrogant, acting like the office of the Vice President is a negative thing. This man is the epitome of an egomaniac.
He thinks he is better than any other politician before him.
He thinks he can make the best decision even if he doesn't have all of the information.
He thinks he is the only one who has ever had a good idea.
He thinks he is the only candidate that has ever wanted to make positive change, and the he is the only one who will be able to.
He and his wife think that the only way that American is worthy of their pride is if he can be a presidential candidate.
He says he is a uniter and yet wants to silence millions of American citizens because they didn't vote for him.
He repeats over and over and over, how he was against the war and Hillary had bad judgement. What about his bad judgement with doing drugs, ripping off the poor people in his state and his dealings with Rezko.

This man is a joke.

After George W. Bush was elected I thought our Country had made the biggest mistake ever and I cannot believe that their are people in this country that are willing to take a chance again with someone who promises change with no proof that they have ever done anything to make change. This is the person that will oversee our Country for at least the next four years.

I pray the media starts to actually look into this man, now before it is too late.

Posted by: chersplace | March 10, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Svreader,

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Clinton is a really bad woman. See the link:

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/01/photos_surfaces_of_hillary_cli.html

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, but Hillary is a doormat, plain and simple. Both really don't have that much experience, but then again, who does when they run for president, unless they were already president and lost after their first administration. I like Bill, but not Hillary, but I like Barack's vision. In the end, as long as we don't have McCain in, we should do alright.

Posted by: carddealer34 | March 10, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

KAM3 --

No. You're lying, and its wasting everyone's time.

This isn't about Clinton vs. Obama.

Its about how Obama screwed-over the last bunch of people naive enough to fall for his sales pitch.

Anyone who wants to can click on the link.

End of story.

Does Obama pay you????

How can you support a guy who did what he did to the poorest of the poor who voted for him???


Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Just seeing how everybody's opinion is already so divided, I can see where this is going if the C/O *OR* O/C ticket is dismissed: democrats will lose votes in November!

Some people (some I bet who posted here) will be so upset to see the one they like fade into the background, that they will simply not go vote, or worse, vote republican just out of spite.

I think Obama should keep in the back of his mind what Bill Clinton said, i.e. that BO will win a certain category of votes, and HC will win another (though I'm sure there are many who would vote for either).

For instance, if she is the nominee and doesn't pick him as vc, many young voters who like the rock star in him will say forget it. If he is the nominee and doesn't take her along, many middle aged to older women will stay home or worse.

That's why I think they should both put any pride issue aside and consider the dual ticket! I personally want him "on top" but if she wins I'd be fine too, and whichever wins should take the other.

Really!

Posted by: landreas | March 10, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Svreader, they look so chummy and happy. Thoughts?

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

I think everyone should agree that Obama has more common sense and wisdom, honesty and integrity than current president Bush. I like him as a person though.

Posted by: Obama2008 | March 10, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Svreader,

Nope. I'm not lying. You don't answer questions.

So do you still want the picture of your beloved Clintons with Rezko? How about with Norman Hsu?

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

KAM3 --

No. You're lying. The video is there for everyone to see.

Obama didn't do his job and people suffered and died.

There's a new book coming out titled "Obama's slums"

I''m sure you'll enjoy it.

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Harry4 I beg to part company with you. In my opinion, we got ourselves into "this sorry mess" with EXACTLY your logic. We wanted & needed someone fresh & new. Not tainted with Washinton politics...bla, bla, bla.
We got George Bush & the people rallied arount him & were as fanatical as Obama & Company are. You guys elected him for all of the exact reasons.
This time we may actually get blown off the map with Twiddle-dee following Twiddle-dum. That has nothing to do with Clinton spin.
That is my opinion & it is as valid as yours.Have a great day =)I'm off to do some RL kindness.

Posted by: msophia | March 10, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

If clinton wins and I dearly hope she doesn't I think Obama would be foolish to be her VP he would be better off putting distance between himself and her administration and look into a 2012 run.

Posted by: usaII | March 10, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Svreader,

No, it's not a lie.

So do you still want the picture of your beloved Clintons with Rezko? How about with Norman Hsu?

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Clinton / Obama a "dream team" please, this would be a nightmare for the Democratic party. Not only would Obama not accept the VP spot, but he would not choose hillary as his VP. With the dirty tactics that the Clintons have used during this campaign, there is no way that i would vote for Hillary. If by some chance she does win the Democratic nomination, my vote will be going to the Republican Party.

Posted by: t_dve | March 10, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

KAM3 --

Thats a lie and you know it.

The video, which is of a Chicago TV news report based on information published in the Chicago Sun Times explicitly says that the buildings that Obama got Rezko the $100M contract to repair during the time Obama was a state senator were never repaired, and that 11 of those buildings were in Obama's district itself.

Obama got Rezko the contracts.

Obama was supposed to follow up on the work to make sure it was being done according to the contract.

Obama didn't care and didn't follow up on any of the work, as he was required to do, including 11 of the worst buildings that were in Obama's own district.

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton campaign is shameless. This is perhaps the most heinous of their tactics to date and Zuckerman's belief that it is brilliant says more about his character than anything else I've seen him say in the past.

Posted by: jim_whanger | March 10, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Billary lawsuit is scheduled for November 2008 - convenient ain't it!!!! Probably after the election though. Wonder what happens if he's convicted? Does that mean he'll be on house arrest in the White House?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/6/134550/1573/316/470573

Posted by: frillymail1017 | March 10, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

ABOUT TERRORISM, and fooling you oncet'

If personal motives, such as control of public perception, existed for the president to have covered up his "indirect" involvement with Sheikh Mahfouz, then Bush's claimed reason for the 911 report censorship could be a lie. Willful presidential deception would have occurred when Bush stated as the reason for his censorship, the need "to protect intelligence 'sources and methods'".

In politics, truth is often stranger than fiction: Sheikh Mahfouz's sister is actually one of four wives of Osama bin Laden, making the two men brothers-in-law, a fact that former CIA Director James Woolsey revealed in 1998 Senate testimony. Thus, Osama bin Laden is sleeping with the sister of Bush's business partner. Really.

Oil-related business deals between George W. Bush and several powerful Saudi Sheikhs, from 1979 to 1991, lacked both ethical integrity and Congressional intelligence oversight, since Bush used the same Saudi-controlled global banking network that was also used by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency and by Osama bin Laden. once a CIA asset. Yet, several abbreviated FBI and Congressional investigations later, this explosive truth still remains mostly hidden from the American public.

Consider the facts. For decades the current President's father, former President George H. W. Bush, has had publicly close ties to the oil-enriched Saudi royal family in regards to both politics and business. Then consider that the bin Laden family is the most entrusted of all families by the Saudi Royal household. For many decades, every Saudi King has granted the bin Laden's giant construction conglomerate exclusive contacts to restore all castles and holy sites within the country, and for numerous public works and infrastructure projects.

Also, consider that soon after bin Laden's September 11 attacks, it was public knowledge that 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, as was critical funding for bin Laden's al Qaeda network and for his earlier Arabic anti-Soviet fighters in Afganistan. Al Qaeda's predecesor was, in fact, bin Laden's 50,000 highly disciplined "Arab-Afghan" mujahideen, who were the most elite among Ronald Reagan's famous "freedom fighters", that were covertly given massive U.S. CIA support.

What is not generally known is that in years past, George W. Bush had several important business relationships with principle cohorts of Osama bin Laden's long-term financial sponsor, the powerful Saudi multibillionaire and banker to the king, Sheikh Khalid bin Mahfouz.

Bush's Deal with Saudi Sheikhs: A Reason to Cover-Up
This amazing story centers around and begins with the fraud-enshrouded Saudi National Commercial Bank (NCB), until recently owned by Sheikh Mahfouz. Following Osama bin Laden's U.S. Embassy bombings in Africa in 1998, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright told the Saudi Arabian Defense Minister, Prince Sultan, that Mahfouz had channelled tens of millions of dollars into terrorist accounts in London and New York. While treasurer to the Saudi King, Mahfouz plundered 2 billion dollars of the 21 billion dollar National Commercial Bank, of which he was then president.

The Saudi National Commercial Bank was affiliated with a global network of many Mahfouz-connected banks, including the InterMaritime Bank of Geneva and New York, whose vice-president brokered a 25 million dollar investment into George W. Bush's Harken Oil and Gas in 1987. Thus, the InterMaritime Bank was once related to the current President Bush through its Mahfouz-connected VP, a man named Dr. Alfred Hartmann. The InterMaritime Bank was also involved in multiple covert CIA operations.

During the 1980's, Sheikh Mahfouz's banking syndicate performed major CIA-inspired banking operations for such former CIA assets as Osama bin Laden, as well as for Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega and other drug dealing generals, such as in Pakistan. Much of this is documented in the 1992 U.S. Congressional testimony of Senator John Kerry.

George W. Bush, for his part, had important business relationships not only with Dr. Hartmann, but with a total of nine prominent individuals that are central to Mahfouz's financial empire, including both the "Godfather of Saudi Intelligence" and his partner, a billionaire Bush campaign donor.

If George W. Bush and Sheikh Mahfouz were ever coexisting in each others financial network, then the question is begged as to whether any personal or political reasons exist for the President to have censored the Saudi section of the Senate's report on bin Laden's September 11 attacks.

When two principal individuals are directly connected to the same group of nine persons --

with each of the the eighteen subsequent relationships having ZERO DEGREES OF SEPERATION --

then one would say that a "network" exists that profoundly connects the two principals in question.


that would mean that the bush families and the saudi families

are colluding to defraud the United States,


but this is "the past," right gomers...

so let's keep trash talking about he said she said instead of finding out what he and she know

what a bunch of pathetic humans disguised as citizens...


you sell and elect based upon republican framing


as they steal the house you live in....

shades of subprime and money laundering drug money....

pissants


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 10, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Svreader,

Please let us all know why Hillary has consorted with Rezko, Norman Hsu, the Riches and other questionable characters and why you have no problem with it.

We're waiting.

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Hillary thinks she can fool voters by refusing to release her tax returns. All other candidates, including John Edwards, released their tax returns. But not Hillary. What are you trying to hide, Hillary? Release the tax returns now!

Posted by: wa2005 | March 10, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

zukermand:

What planet are you from? If one fabricates falsehoods, what would you call them? If one engages in public delusions to manipulate the weak minded, what would you call it? Aren't falsehoods and delusional manipulation inappropriate, or are you just being passive-aggressive?

What new and exciting things that aren't good are you referring to? Why don't you be a bit more obtuse?

Posted by: michael4 | March 10, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

To the person whom seems to me to not think that racism still exists, that person should enroll his/herself back into school, if he/she thinks that there are people out there whom does not look at Obama and think of him by his outer appearance and that there may be effects from that judgment.

I am, however, very very pleased to see how far this country has improved and people of various backgrounds, beliefs, status sets, cultures, ages have all come to flock to a wonderful candidate (Hillary's a nice candidate too, well I think she'd be nicer than McCain but she does have some ill ways as the entire nation has seen as of recent and condescending too-I just wish she'd defend Obama as fierce as she is attacking him-that would bring more unity among people in addition to that which Obama is attempting to bring by the numbers).

I think Hillary should take time out and ask herself one simple question: "Am I in for the good of this country or no?" If the answer is yes, she can't deny Obama is in for the good of this country, for people as a whole. Ok, so with that said, she needs to just be a team player and do positive things instead of tearing the team down from the inside out like cancerous effects on the human body. All agreed? Agreed.

Obama '08, if not, Hillary. Either way would be better this time around, but please no continuation of the poor things we've witnessed as of the past 7 yrs. That's not good for us.

Posted by: Obama2008 | March 10, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Destabilizing Iraq: The Saudi Role

A "clear" view of Iraq is now visible only through a blood-soaked kaleidoscope of contradictory and conflicting U.S. policies. While the Bush administration regularly lashes out at Syria and Iran for aiding militias and foreign fighters in Iraq, according to official U.S. military figures reported in the Los Angeles Times on July 15, about 45% of all foreign militants targeting U.S. troops and Iraqi civilians and security forces are from Saudi Arabia. Fighters from the kingdom are believed to have carried out the majority of suicide bombings in Iraq.

Who is to blame for the influx of fighters though? Gen. Mansour Turki, a spokesman for the Saudi Interior Ministry, however, blames forces inside of Iraq for the flow of Saudi human bombs into Iraq. If he is to be believed, "Saudis are actually being misused. Someone is helping them come to Iraq. Someone is helping them inside Iraq. Someone is recruiting them to be suicide bombers. We have no idea who these people are. We aren't getting any formal information from the Iraqi government." But Iraqis are quick to point the finger across the border. Lawmaker Sami Askari, an advisor to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. Askari accuses Saudi officials of following a deliberate policy of sowing chaos in Baghdad: "The fact is that Saudi Arabia has strong intelligence resources, and it would be hard to think that they are not aware of what is going on."

Askari claims that imams at Saudi mosques regularly call for jihad against Iraq's Shi'ites and that the Saudi government had funded groups to cause chaos and bloodshed in Iraq's predominantly Shi'ite south.

But in large part this continues to be conveniently overlooked by the Bush administration so that massive arms packages can be sold to Saudi Arabia, access to the vast oil reserves continues unabated, and the


SAUDI ROYAL family's and Bin Laden families,


long-standing connections to


the BUSH families.....as providors of MONEY TO THE BUSHES...

remain unmentioned in mainstream circles.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 10, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

The Houses of Bush, Sabah, and Maktoum
By Wayne Madsen

February 21 -- The Houses of Bush, Sabah, and Maktoum. The Bush Crime Family's close business dealings with the royal houses of Kuwait (the Sabah family) and Dubai (the Maktoum family) either borders on or is treason according to information received from U.S. military and Persian Gulf sources by WMR.

The Sabah family and their business cohorts are reportedly SKIMMING 100's of $MILLIONS$ of dollars from the shipping of UNITED STATES MILITARY material, directed to go through KUWAIT BY THE BUSH FAMILY, as the material passes through Kuwait to UNITED STATES forces in stationed in IRAQ.

Moreover, much of this SKIMMED money is being used to FUND the Sunni insurgency in Iraq that is directed against U.S. troops...causing many to be maimed and killed.

______________________________________________________

so who is making money off of IRAQ,


the bush crime family and friends and they ain't all american


are they ??????

SEARCH ON BUSH, HARKEN OIL

SEARCH ON BUSH, cuba, mafia


ps. you couldn't make this stuff up. and any middle schooler could find the bush family and friends doing the


war profiteer dance since the late 1800's and back to 1790, if you knew where to look...

they don't know how to work, they do know how to INFLUENCE PEDDLE...

what does war profiteering have to do with O'bama being a inadequate personality to be president ?????

he calls history "the past," instead of


what he has to work with.


What does he think? The Military Industrial Complex is going away overnight ???? Ask JFK how he feels about the Military Industrial Complex...


you can't? why is that?


.could I fix it? yes. could Hillary and her team fix it? yes.


Could Obama fix it?


how? to him the problem doesn't exist. it's below his radar he'll fix it when he gets elected....how the same way he fixes things in Chicago


he outsmarts some stupid ordinary people...


I guess he doesn't understand the concept of

landed
royalty
aristocracy
lineage
plutocracy
oligarchy


and people that would keep an entire race from learning to read and write so that they could keep them enslaved....


and those people didn't disappear after the slaves were freed, they moved north...

and some of them made and kept alliances with Britain...


so feudalism, keeping the peasants under control is indeed the reality that


O'bama is trying to sweep under the carpet....because he doen't want to see it....that makes him a good choice for INSIDER WASHINGTON


he won't see or understand what they are doing and so

"he'll have fixed it."


and bought what the repulsivescammers / insider washington are selling


sold the United States for 3 magic beans...their machine somehow got an alcoholic pedophile druguser into the presidency in 2000 and 2004 without the press squeakingwhatisthatserendipity or control


wake up sheeple.


.SNL was right.


. PeeWee ain't been tested....he got no answers....nlessin you mean he got the handwavin down....he got dat


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 10, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

johnycheng1,

Hillzilla and her "35 years of experience" are the biggest joke of all.

The woman has accomplished nothing on her own in her entire life. If her name was Hillary Rodham and she never met her philandering husband, she'd be a partner at some Chicago law firm and would be shreiking on conference calls instead of in front of geriatric crowds. Give me a break.

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Attempting to translate primary contests into electoral college votes is a useless exercise that means exactly nothing.

Different people will be voting in November for different candidates and likely on different issues. Talk about apples and oranges!!

It's yet another silly attempt to find some rationale to support Hillary other than the issues.

The real test of the best candidate is the one who can mobilize the base AND bring in the most new voters AND best reach out to independents and crossover Republicans. This is the electability test.

The second test is readiness to assume the Presidency. Here, no one is better than anyone else as far as we can tell because no one has any substantive experience like being President. So, we're left with assessing character and judgment. On character, I'd say even McCain beats Clinton. On judgment, Obama beats the devil out of both of them. She just keeps (along with McCain) supporting saber rattling. That's how we got into this sorry mess.

We must have a new approach, a new person, and a new administration that will get us out of the Iraq mess, the economic mess, the environmental mess, the Israel-Palestine mess, the trade mess, and many other messes. No one can guarantee success on all of these. We, the voters are left to decide who'll do the best job and has the best chance to succeed.

Will the old vision of Clinton and McCain or the new vision of Obama be best?

Posted by: harry4 | March 10, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

So if Howard Wolfson, Mrs Clinton's director of communications, said: "Senator Obama has not passed the national security threshold - period. There is a long way to go to Denver but anyone chosen to be vice-president obviously needs to be ready to be commander-in-chief." Then it's time for Billary to pack it in. He's good enough in their eyes for the 2nd chair, then he's good enough in my eyes for 1st chair! Obama 08

Posted by: frillymail1017 | March 10, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Svreader, I watched the video and it does not support your inane comments.

Please let us all know why Hillary has consorted with Rezko, Norman Hsu, the Riches and other questionable characters and why you have no problem with it.

So does that mean you do want the picture of Hillzilla, Bubba and Rezko? Autographed maybe?

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

ttbac: "......In the immortal words of John Adams speaking of the vice presidency... "This is the most unimportant position human ever made." Enough said..."
______________________

Tell it to Cheney....

Posted by: kishorgala | March 10, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I still remember in the beginning of the Democrtic nomination campaign,Obama said he would not rule out to be the vice president with Hillary. Now, the media has created a mirage of Obama, he is a political superman,a savior to mankind,a great orator,a perfect father and husband, etc,your know what? Sooner or later,Americans will see through this mirage and bring him down to earth. Barack Hussein Obama is the biggest political fad in American political history created by the media to sell news papers and cable tv programs.

Posted by: johnycheng1 | March 10, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

ttbac,

Do you think Lyndon Johnson, Gerald Ford and Harry Truman believed that?

Enough said.

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

LET's EXAMINE THIS REPUBLICAN bs artist

Posted by: samuel51

No, Obama should not be Hillary's VP. If he were Hillary's VP, he would be "Gored". Al Gore found out the hard way, "when you lie down with dogs, you get up with flees". The scandals of the Clinton Administration cost Gore the 2000 election. If Obama does not get the nomination in 2008, he should wait for 2012 to run against Hillary again.

____________________________________________________

why did Al Gore lose in 2000 ?


electoral fraud, and the GOP liars club.


Al Gore probably won, but he was jeered for asking for a recount....and being "a nice guy,"


he didn't want to push it.


Let's ask this question, I think it points a little more towards a reality that all of you gomers


vying for public support tend to ignore:

How could an alcoholic, married to a woman that killed her first boyfriend, an admitted cocaine user, draft dodger business failure and gay on top of all of _that_


manage to avoid have any of that coming to light during his campaign ?????

because none of it is true????? ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL of it is true.


but corporations run the media, and the CIA has agents in most of the big papers....and probably as advisors to the Clinton and Obama campaign...


and the kind of CIA I am talking about is more "family friends," of the bush family....not real agents but bought and paid for agents...


sort of like how the mafia has their agents in the police department.


and some rich closeted gays seem to be a large part of the bush family, as well as old money, international oil families, and the connections that George H.W. has made in his exploits in Mexico and South America, as well as old family connections in Germany, Stockholm and England....


Rupert Murdoch has also tried to acquire control of AMERICA's media...

how is it that a $200 DOLLAR AN HOUR gay male prostitute can regularly visit the white house when the sitting president has repeatedly used homophobia as a whip to


gain confidence of the evangelical christian groups


and to control perceptions of manliness, and patriotic homophobes as a way of getting his invasion to occupy an oil rich country, and kill over a million innocent civilians...

w/o garnering a single headline?????

and a grown man having a consenual relation with a grown woman,

gets impeached and his name smeared for 16 years on a daily basis by the same rag ????

You the WASHINGTON POST have run several articles slamming Bill Clinton, and have said JACK about


our current homosexual president. what is that about ?????

are you afraid of standing up for your country? are you cowards or gay too....and want to remain unseen????


help me out here.

.


Posted by: a_bigone | March 10, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

KAMS3 --

You never watched the video, did you?

You're in denial. Watch the Video.

Obama let the people who elected him in Chicago rot in slums when he was supposed to get them decent housing and he funneled $100M to his friend Rezko.

It was Obama's responsibility to make sure his voters got what they paid for.

He didn't do his job.

He didn't care what happened to them.

He only cared about himself.

Does winning the primaries mean so much to Obama's groupies that they abandon all principle?

How can they even THINK of supporting a man who did what Obama did in Chicago to the poorest of the poor who elected him???

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the real Obama is a really bad guy

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, I thought Sen. Obama was smarter. His quip, "I don't understand,if I'm not ready, how is it you think I would be such a great vice president?"

In the immortal words of John Adams speaking of the vice presidency... "This is the most unimportant position human ever made." Enough said...

Posted by: ttbac | March 10, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting that many people believe the democratic party is / will be heavily divided due to the fight between Obama and Hilary.

In my view, the intense competition between Obama and Hilary is essentially a good thing. It demonstrates the large premium voters now place on putting an effective president in the Oval Office. The fact that the small differences between the two candidates are being magnified will help ensure that we end up with the better nominee.

I personally believe that both Hilary and Obama will be terrific presidents. I slightly prefer Obama because of his stronger emphasis on voter participation in politics. However, I think either candidates will be a significant improvement over the current administration.

Posted by: tbernste | March 10, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Nice site Pastor Gene but I wasn't saying anything about election polls. I said Electoral. As in Electoral College.

Here's a site for you to do your own math at.... without Mi or Fl it's 226 Hillary, 176 Obama.

http://www.electoral-vote.com

Posted by: msophia | March 10, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Svreader, you have not responded with any substance to any posting on this site. I think you have an unhealthy infatuation with Rezko, just like you're beloved Hillary.

I can send you the picture of Hillary, Rezko and Bubba if you'd like (you know, the one where all three are smiling....and happy). You can keep that by your hospital bed. Maybe I'll also try to find a Norman Hsu/Hillzilla picture too. Maybe a picture of Hillzilla with Marc and Denise Rich? Why not Bubba and Hillzilla with the MacDougals while we are at it.

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

You can nitpick any leader and find things that do not seem right. However, there is no excusing Clinton's vote for Bush's war in Iraq, without even bothering to read the NIE, and then never saying ONE word against it until it became politically popular to do so.

What has Hillary ever done to deserve to be prez? She married a man that became prez, was behind all the worst failures in the Clinton Admin, and threw away every advantage she had in the most incompetent campaign in history.

Great resume!

Besides, it is virtually impossible for her to win the nomination mathematically. The only way she can do it is to not lose the primaries and get in through a bruising, convention fight.

Posted by: junk | March 10, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama Supporters --

Obama shafted the poorest of the poor and funneled $100M of taxpayer money to his buddy Rezko and you think its that's just fine????

You really are a cult!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I've seen too many comments on Obama's imperfections. He says himself that he's not perfect and won't be a perfect President. You'll never hear Clinton say that because she has a problem similar to GWB, excessive hubris.

Her latest calculating announcement about Obama being a VP for her contradicts her argument about him being unready for (drum roll) DAY ONE.

She's appealing to people to vote for her because then they'll get him too. Oh, but she won't offer him the VP slot were she to win (very unlikely), and he would be unlikely to accept because he can just wait and run against McCain in 2012.

The fact is that Clinton believes that she deserves the Presidency. She can't understand how this upstart (less of an upstart than she is) is taking it away from her. This was to be her time.

Wow, it's taken a long time, but now people are beginning to mention that Obama has more years in elective office than Clinton.

BTW, has anyone noticed that Clinton tends to win in states with a very strong Democratic organization (or machine), which Bill has very strong ties to? Of course, she spins this fact into her winning big states that are important to winning in the fall. She completely ignores the fact that primary wins have nothing at all to do with general election wins. Otherwise, McGovern would have won. There's just no correlation at all! Look at who's voting instead to get an inkling (but only that) of the fall. Obama has mobilized people who typically don't bother to vote.

Unless Barack Obama has a huge skeleton hidden in his closet, he'll destroy McCain in the general and bring lots and lots of down-ticket Dems with him.

The primary is essentially over. Clintonites, face facts and stop pissing in your own soup.

Posted by: harry4 | March 10, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

NEWS BULLETIN:

HILLARY CLINTON IS NOT STEALING THE NOMINATION. SHE IS WINNING IT!

this is despite unfair bias by the media not questioning Obama on anything, caucuses that disenfranchise many Americans, especially the working class and elderly, (a "core" supporter demographic of Clinton) that are UNABLE to attend caucuses and a delgate "count" put into play when Jackson was running for prez that allocates an almost 2 to 1 delegate count in African American communities throughout the United States, and Florida and Michigan NOT being counted (more disenfranchising by Obama), and it goes on and on and on in what benefits Obama and NOT Hillary in this "democratic" race! But she is still winning because she is most qualified. She will win in pennsylvania and many other states that have yet to vote as well as Puerto Rico. She leads in Super Delegates. She can and will win the race in a General Election, the election that truly counts, and we will have a Democrat for President. I proudly voted for our future President Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Texan2007 | March 10, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone really believe that if Senator Obama did concede the contest to Senator Clinton that, after all of the denegrating comments, she would actually name Senator Obama as her Vice-President? Let's be real. This last tactic shows her duplicitous nature. Do and say anything to get elected then move in the direction she originally intended. She has learned the "Washington Two-Step". Haven't we had enough of outsiders, coming to town, whose behavior shines such a bad light on our hometown?

Posted by: Wizardsfaninexile | March 10, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama is ahead in all the objective criteria--delegate count, popular vote, and number of states won.

The Clinton campaign wants to inject an entirely artificial criteria into the mix, in contradiction to all the real criteria: My states matter more than yours!

Give us a break!!!

Posted by: PastorGene | March 10, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Clintons = nonstop Scandal Pitching by Republicans; Clintons = Poor Judgement; Clintons = loss of Congress 2 or 4 years out. Clintons = possible loss of 2008 oval office

Posted by: pdurand | March 10, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Gored!!!

No, Obama should not be Hillary's VP. If he were Hillary's VP, he would be "Gored". Al Gore found out the hard way, "when you lie down with dogs, you get up with flees". The scandals of the Clinton Administration cost Gore the 2000 election. If Obama does not get the nomination in 2008, he should wait for 2012 to run against Hillary again.

Posted by: samuel51 | March 10, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

dd --

You either didn't watch the video or don't speak english.

Obama failed to follow up on the contracts he pushed through for Rezko and the people who voted for Obama never had their buildings repaired.

Obama just didn't care.

Its obvious his supporters don't either.

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

We can not afford any "double-talk" president for sure. But, we can not afford to have a "double-talk" vice president either.

Obama told his supporters that he wants to pull out of Iraq. "Not so", he had his advisor telling the "foreigners."

Obama told his supporters that he wants to revise NAFTA. "Don't worry", he had his advisor telling the Canadian.

He gave a speech "I am aginst the war." Then he voted every chance he had to fund the war.

Now, he told his supporters "I don't want to be the Vip."

Obama doesn't want to be the vice president? That's good, we don't wont a "double-talk" vice president either.

We don't want our kids to use drugs, period. We don't want to tell our kids "you can use drug when you are young, then run for president later."

W Bush's drinking problem already caused a lot of young kids using "W" as an excuse to drink. Are we going to have Obama as a "role model" for kids to use drugs?

Posted by: gwshening | March 10, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

cheersdk repeats the Clinton campaigns "We won the big states" spin. But think all of this through. When you look at Obama's winning 29 states versus Clinton's 13 or 14, this is like saying that those 29 states don't count--don't matter. Only the states Hillary won matter.

Well, think about this. Put aside the issue of which states which won. Think about the raw popular vote. Obama is ahead there also. Does the Clinton campaign really want to pull another Bush stunt by losing the popular vote but still being awarded the Presidency, as happened in 2000, when Gore won the popular vote and then had the election stolen from him?

Posted by: PastorGene | March 10, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

dd --

I'm not paid, but this does take a lot of my time, and with people like you it often feels like I wasting it on people who refuse to examine the record of the guy they push.

I bet you still haven't watched the video.

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 06:25 PM

_____________________________

I saw that video two days ago and I do not see how you have surmised what you say. It does not support anything that you continue spurt. It is as I said - - your mentality is not suited for you to have been released. You don't with a full deck. As someone else asked. Is there someone taking care of you. I am concerned. I guess they have determined they would put a computer in your room. Bad idea.

Posted by: ddraper81 | March 10, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Here's an analogy for Obama supporters.

Barak Obama was elected to the state senate to represent a district in Chicago that included some of the poorest of the poor.

Barak Obama got federal contracts worth $100M for his largest campaign contributor a Syrian Slumlord named Rezko to repair and rebuild those slums.

Barak Obama never bothered to follow up on the progress of the work, as he was supposed to do, the work was never done, and the poorest of the poor who voted for Barak Obama are subsisting in the worst kind of squalor that anyone has ever seen.

Is that the man you want as your President????

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

I DO NOT THINK SOMEONE IS READY TO FLY A PLANE BY HIMSELF, IF HE ONLY HAS DONE THE THEORY, AND HERE IS WHERE OBAMA STANDS, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HE HAS DONE, WHAT IS THIS NONSENSE JUDGEMENT, WHAT DO I KNOW ABOUT HIS JUDGEMENT, I KNOW ONE THING HE KNOWS HOW TO DO WELL AND THAT IS TO RAISE MONEY, AND BLAST WITH PUBLICITY BUT THAT IS NOT ASSET TO BE A PRESIDENT

Posted by: storytellers13 | March 10, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA SHOULD BORROW HARRY TRUMAN'S LINE AND TELL HILLARY - YOU STOP TELLING LIES ABOUT ME AND I'LL STOP TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT YOU.

LW

Posted by: tlthourson | March 10, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama has made it perfectly clear that he is not running a campaign based on negativity or hate.(He sure could've fooled me!)This is shocking to say the least. The latest comment comes from his late great Foreign Affairs Adviser. Unbelievable! Consequently, this statement from Stephanie Powers calling Hillary a monster is coupled with an earlier foreign affairs snafu with Canada over NATA and Obama's Economic Adviser Austan Goolsbee.

Powers said... (Hillary Clinton)"She's a Monster!"

Obama said... "The communication with Canadian Government and Mr. Goolsbee (Obama's Economic Advisor) concerning NAFTA, NEVER HAPPENED."

Uh huh, sure!

Lies of the Mind!

Lies of the Heart!

Lies of ALL KINDS!

After you've heard lie upon lie... there can hardly be a question of why.

Unfortunately, Barack Obama is NOT what he seems... at all!

Posted by: randymk1 | March 10, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Anyone that thinks BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA loves this country is reading something into his change, hope message. I see no RECORD of any military service, nor attempt to join the military. I see at least 4 trips to the homeland of his father and step father. I see an individual that has yet to stand at attention and put his hand over his heard or to wear an American Flag on his lapel. I have no respect fof GOD BUSH because he was a draft dodging, coke head, drup user..( Then why would a Columbia Graduate want to sign up to be an officer... instead worked in the slums??/ yeah right... bet he was making money on the side.)

People are reading something into what he says and are being naive. Guess what he is just a USED CAR SALESMAN. He will tell the American People anything he thinks that want to HEAR and once he is elected... You have bought him for another four hours.

He will win Mississippi... because the majority of the population is Black. And the people there re-elected the 90000 cash surplus in his freezer... So you can bet that they will vote for HUSSEIN Obama.

BEWARE THE IDES OF MARCH

Posted by: miller51550 | March 10, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

msophia writes: "Of interest, many forget something important. We elect Presidents based on the Electorial vote. She's ahead. It sucks but until that law is changed, he isn't #1."

Nice try msophia, but go to http://www.presidentelectionpolls.com/ and look at the Clinton-McCain and Obama-McCain head-to-head electoral vote match-ups. Obama leads McCain 277 to 250 electoral votes, while McCain leads Clinton 277 to 211.

So how do you figure she's ahead on electoral votes? Or do you seriously think states that voted for Clinton in the primary like New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and California are going to vote Republican if Obama is the Democratic nominee--states that have voted consistently for the Democratic candidate for the last 5 Presidential elections? That's Clinton campaign spin, not reality.

Posted by: PastorGene | March 10, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama's angry rejection of the possibility of a joint ticket (not even suggesting that Clinton could be his VP) clearly reveals what many have suspected: Obama is only in this for himself and not the Democratic opportunity to take back the White House.

I am starting to believe the comments of many who have worked with him: Obama is nothing more than your garden-variety ambitious, self-interested politician.

Posted by: jpm321 | March 10, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Kamilia! Just put the facts down without all this ridiculous personal attack BS.

Obama has won it, folks.

The pundits would love to have this drag on forever - but it's like beating a dead horse. Sorry, over folks. Obama will end up with more delegates in TX and will blow HRC out of the water in Mississippi... If you go to Slate.com and put in your own projection on the upcoming primaries, Hillary loses even if she wins EVERY SINGLE PRIMARY TILL PUERTO RICO with a 55 to 45 margin - which is totally ludicrous.. The MSM will always push for Hillary - just as Rush limbaugh did - because Hillary is the weaker candidate Democratic candidate. In fact, 8-10% of the voters in TX were republicans who came to the polls only at the behest of Limbaugh to help Hillary because she could actually lose in November.

Posted by: UNLISTED | March 10, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I do have a question regarding this "2002 I was against the War", speech & political stand taken. I was in San Franscisco the day Bush announced we were indeed going to war. Over 100,000 people jammed the streets. I was one.

There were also several lawsuits going on to stop them from sending our kids there to be killed. I've often wondered was Obama there in that crowd somewhere? It was the largest demostration in the country at that time. And also, which of those lawsuits did he lend his support & name to? I can't recall seeing his name. I'm sure I must be wrong tho. No one would come out & campaign so hard on anti-war & NOT put their time, effort, money & name to aid the cause.

Posted by: msophia | March 10, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Let's fact it, Hilary Clinton is a cold, calculating self-serving machine. She has stayed with a chronic phuilanderer in order to get what she thought was her God-given right to the Democratic nomination- so much for independence and feminism.
She voted for the tragic debacle that is Iraq...and then either lied- I didn't read eeverything- or is a fool if she really didn't.
She has had no qualms in spoiling things for the Democrats by falsifying stories about Obama- which the Republicans could churn out.
Her only thought is for herself. A true independent woman would have left her cheating husband and made it on her own. A brave, principled person would have not signed up to invade Iraq. A loyal Democrat would not have made up stories and circulated them about another Democrat.
She's too self-serving by far.

Posted by: pathina | March 10, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

1. Since the NCAA tournament is just around the corner, here is an analogy. When the athletic committee gets together to select the field of 65 teams, they look at QUALITY wins, not wins against some Division III school in Timbuctoo. Idaho, Wyoming for Obama is like Division III wins, I highly doubt they vote Democrat in the fall.

California, NY are like wins against Division-1 teams like UCLA, Ohio State, etc. From this perspective, Hillary is clearly the "higher seed" (become the nominee) in what is still a numerically tied race and the DNC and super-delegates should ratify her as such.

2. Further the caucus system which Obama has mostly won is INHERENTLY FLAWED and DISCRIMINATORY. The short window and the evening schedule for attendance precludes those with a. transportation limitations (usually the lower class), b. handicapped and disable who tend to vote absentee, c. and many seniors who cannot drive in the evening, d. those that work in the evenings, ALL OF HILLARY's CONSTITUENCIES!

Texas is a great example of where 2.8 Million turned out for the primary and Hillary won by 100K votes and the Caucus with about 40% reporting has only turned out a FRACTION at 43,000 with Obama so far winning by only 5K votes.

This would be a GREAT REASON for SUPER-DELEGATES to back Hillary to make up for the CAUCUS FLAW, reasons like this would justify their existence. Hillary would then clearly be the candidate in first place.

3. Obama has clearly demonstrated that he cannot win the TRADITIONAL Democrat (Blue) states, Hillary can and has. Hillary being the astute, well prepared and EXPERIENCED candidate realizes that she can truly unite the country by adding Obama to her ticket despite his lack of EXPERIENCE and only two years in the U.S. Senate.

Hillary is a true uniter, she wants to initiate true change after 8 years of Bush and wants to ensure that Democrats and all Americans including those in traditionally red states will have a say in her administration through the addition of Obama. Her reaching out has nothing to do with his LACK of EXPERIENCE, but, everything to do with uniting Democrats and all Americans for CHANGE!

4. True, Obama is NOT READY for the 3am call, but, under Hillary's leadership, Obama can garner the experience required to make a presidential run in 8 years.

While the arrogant Obama was busy rejecting her overture during another one of his SPEECHES, I would not be surprised , if Hillary has not already come up with a short-term SOLUTION for Obama's inexperience. I believe she will assign Bubba to personally mentor and bring Obama up to speed if ever there is a need for the V.P. to fill the #1 Spot.

I hope Obama doesn't learn everything from Bubba though or what Caroline Kennedy said may actually come true..."A President just like my father"...Hillary, please keep the Lincoln room off-limits to Obama and the Marilyn Monroe's away!

Kudos to Hillary Rodham Clinton, this tenacious, brilliant woman, this brilliant American for always coming up with SOLUTIONS in tough situations and not just repeating words and making SPEECHES!

Posted by: cheersdk | March 10, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

soon --

Watch the Video. Then tell me if you still think Obama is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Obama shafted the poorest of the poor and funneled $100M of taxpayer money to his buddy Rezko and you think its that's just fine????

You really are a cult!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

svreader-you should probably grow your hair a little longer to cover up the scars from your recent lobotomy.

Posted by: soonipi6 | March 10, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

It takes a lot of gall for the loser to offer the winner the vice presidency. But it shows how desperate she is now that she cannot catch up with Obama any more. But he can do a lot better in selecting a running mate than the sleazy Clintons.

Posted by: dunnhaupt | March 10, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

msophia--

You state that we "elect Presidents based on the Electorial vote. She's ahead".

She is NOT ahead. Please know the facts.

Posted by: sasidechick | March 10, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

It appears that the Clintons are asking Obama to move to the back of the bus. Here we go again.

Posted by: veiledisis | March 10, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama Supporters --

You're in denial. Watch the Video.

Obama let the people who elected him in Chicago rot in slums when he was supposed to get them decent housing and he funneled $100M to his friend Rezko.

It was Obama's responsibility to make sure his voters got what they paid for.

He didn't do his job.

He didn't care what happened to them.

He only cared about himself.

Does winning the primaries mean so much to Obama's groupies that they abandon all principle?

How can they even THINK of supporting a man who did what Obama did in Chicago to the poorest of the poor who elected him???

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the real Barry Obama is a really bad guy

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

The real question is are the american people intelligent enough to
be immune to old, demonizing, fear monguering politics being practiced
by Hillary Clinton and her campaign?
I believe so. I have faith in the American people to say: "no more
dirty politics, no more nasty dynasty."

I have no doubt that Senator Obama is strong enough. However,
I think he is also wise and intelligent enough to know what battles
are worth and necessary fighting. This is why he opposed the war in Iraq
from the beginning. He chose not to put our troops and their families on
the line. He undestood that
once he made that decision; he would not see as a viable option to give
a sorry excuse that he just voted for diplomacy as Hillary Clinton
consistently claims her vote was.
He understood that the consequences and pain as a result could be
irreversible. I am sure many families can understand that, but
Senator Clinton didn't and doesn't.
Senator Clinton has said many times words are cheap. I think Hillary
Clinton's words are cheap.

How can she said to familes: "I am sorry your son, your
daughter, your father, your brother, will not be coming home"
instead of: "I am sorry your son, your daughter, your father your
brother, your sister will not be coming home because my poor
judgment, and failure to understand what can not be replaced"
Hillary Clinton made the political decision to support the War in Iraq.

Senator Clinton's words are one day: "I am honored to be here with
senator Obama", and 48 hours later: "Shame on you Barack Obama".

Senator Clinton's words may one day be: "Nafta has proved to be
a success", and when she campaigns in the states where the results
are not sucessful: "I always opposed to Nafta"

Senator Clinton may ask the american people: "I am asking you to hire me",
while she continues to show no resume, ask to be given the job because
she is a woman, shows no income tax form, and above all
shows no character, ethics or leadership during the equivalent to the interview process (campaigning).

Senator Clinton may say one day: "I left my name in the ballot on
Michigan, but I know it doesn't count", and then when she runs out of
pledge delegates: "We have to make the Michigan and Florida votes count".

Senator Clinton accuses Senator Obama of practicing the Karl Rove political
manipulations, and the day after, Senator Clinton plays the fear monguering ad,
plays the muslim card, the racial card, the gender card.

Senator Clinton accuses Senator Obama of behaving like Kent Starr, and
then on the same day Senator Clinton says she thinks
sharing the ticket with Senator Obama would be unstoppable.

Senator Clinton accuses Senator Obama of secrecy of saying on thing on
the campaign trail and another behind doors when Senator Obama has shown
long time ago his income tax, and a specific detailed list of his acomplishments
and deliverables to be consistent with his message of transperancy. And Senator
Clinton still hasn't a resume and income tax.

Senator Clinton has said : "Speeches are cheap", Senator Clinton's speeches are
cheap, Senator Clinton's speeches only turns down the spirit of our young generation.
Senator Clinton divides our country's strength among the "Big States", "Small States"
"Blue States", and "Red States", "Caucus states", "Primary states", "Blue collar states",
"Wealthy States", "Latino States", "Black States"
For Senator Obama and the people from any states: There is only the "United States"

Senator Clinton is not inviting Senator Obama to prove he can be tough enough
Senator Clintor is inviting Senator Obama and the American people to participate in the politics
of yesterday, to lose hope about the politics of a tomorrow that
only Senator Obama can and has offered to ALL the American people.

She is inviting the American people to believe that we can not be
better than we are, that we cannot be united.
She is inviting the American people to believe
that in order to gain power one should compromise anything even decency.
I think she truly believes that. I think long time
ago she lost the one battle that is always worth fighting. To me that battle
is self-respect, family values, and that it is much more valuable to lose
with dignity, that win by cheating yourself and others.

I believe that if we all stand out and say no more, no more nasty dinasty,
and we worked hard inspired by a leader like Obama we can continue to be
the great Nation that we were more than once.
Seize the Day
Pascuala Brownlee

Posted by: pascuala_espinoza | March 10, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton(s) will do anything and use anyone to try to steal the nomination. She believes that it is her "right" to be the nominee and, ultimately, the POTUS. I have said it before, and will say again--the democratic party will lose if it allows this to happen unfairly--including my vote and participation.

Posted by: goskins21 | March 10, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

BTW I found a fantastic article...A MUST read for EVERYONE "The Hussein Dynamic" at http://savagepolitics.com.
Brilliant writing that goes beyond what the MSM is feeding us!!!!

Here is an excerpt: "The issue of Barack Obama's religious definition has captivated many Americans to the point were charges of terrorism and counter charges of racism have been thrown into the fray of the discussion, aimed at either side. To many Liberal Americans, whether or not Obama is a Muslim (or was a Muslim) is irrelevant to the feelings of "hope" and "change" that he inspires in them, which they consider to have a higher merit than petty religious or ethnic associations. To many Conservative Americans, the mere allocation of any candidate within the realm of Islam is sufficient reason to vote against him, irrespective of the details that may lie in the penumbra of his personal story. Either way, it is impossible for any citizen to make an intelligent assessment of either perspective, without knowing the details and the relevant information regarding Mr. Obama's past. Unlike the Mainstream Media, who has automatically assumed that Obama has no relation to Islam, in a vague attempt to paint themselves as "reasonable" and "progressives", most thinking citizens should not follow suit. There is ample evidence to make any reasonable citizen conclude that the Obama campaign and the Media have been hiding some crucial elements of this candidate's past that should become widely known and discussed in the open. Let us then ask ourselves; Is Barack Obama a Muslim?" get the rest at http://savagepolitics.com/?p=171

Posted by: elsylee28 | March 10, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Well I've been wondering where the "Okey-doke" went! Last we heard it was SC.
I listened for it in Maryland, in Illinois, Missouri, Texas, you know, most anywhere. But he saved it for Mississippi.God love them, they are too nice to be mad that he thinks them so simple. I'm a native Southerner & I can tell you it plenty offends me.

On this vice president thing, she'd be a fool. With the fanatics he has that require an extra huge Secret Service detail that now involves his having snipers on roofs & every person being wanded to get into his rallies, I fear for her life. They would kill her in a minute to make him #1.

Well,since they are going to do a walk-out on the Democratic party if he doesn't win, it's prolly a moot point anyway. They can go make their own party.

Of interest, many forget something important. We elect Presidents based on the Electorial vote. She's ahead. It sucks but until that law is changed, he isn't #1.

Posted by: msophia | March 10, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Pastor Gene, you are so wise!!

Posted by: sasidechick | March 10, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

gdavis --

I never said anything about Obama's father.

Please provide proof.

I dislike Obama because he's a truly bad guy who screws people who trust him and only cares about one person -- Barry Obama.

You still haven't watched the video, have you?

Are you afraid of what you might find out???

Obama is bad news.

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

N88e88 wrote about Obama: "reject all book knowledge..."

I think we have had that the last eight years and where did that get us???

Posted by: sasidechick | March 10, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

svreader,

So you, who are supporting the political couple who sold most of the Democratic party down the river during Bill's presidency, want to know how I can support someone who did not accomplish everything he would have wanted to? Hmmmmm... ironic??

Posted by: jameswhanger | March 10, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

MF87

Be careful of what you wish for. 4 more years of the same is not better than hillary or obama. Sorry I can't get with that one.

Posted by: gdavis4 | March 10, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

America Rules! It's deleivering a knock-out punch to the old school politicos...1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8...9...

Posted by: brian | March 10, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

You know, the irony of Hillary Clinton saying that Obama offers only speeches, while she offers "solutions" is that what she herself is offering are just speeches--anti-Obama speeches and speeches promising everything under the sun to the people whose votes she wants. The political reality is that unless the political process that is paralyzed by partisan gridlock is changed (which is what Obama wants to do and is mobilizing the people to do, "bottom-up" leadership rather than failed "top-down" leadership), she would not be able to do many if any of the things she is promising.

Both candidates have policy proposals ("solutions"). Both candidates are making speeches. Just because Obama is better at it is no reason to dismiss him as only making speeches. Obama actually has more legislative accomplishments in his shorter time in the US Senate than Clinton. And yes, if you look back at the past presidencies, the primary success of Presidents has come through speeches that mobilize public support for their agendas. You're not going to twist legislators' arms and get them to change things. You have to make the sell to the American people and mobilize them to demand action out of their elected officials.

But in the final analysis, anti-speech speeches are still speeches nonetheless.

Posted by: PastorGene | March 10, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

jim --

What kind of a monsters are you and the other obama-nuts???

WATCH THE VIDEO!!!!

Obama screwed over the poor people who elected him in Chicago and left them to rot in slums.

Nobody with an ounce of integrity would support Obama knowing what he did.

You still haven't watched the video, have you???

Or does winning at all costs mean so much to you that you would want to elect a man who got rich and built his career on screwing the people of color who trusted him?

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama is master dreamer, even in his dream, he was dreaming. Hillary Rodham is a master gamer. I held my breath when she offered him a VP spot, and then breathed when Obama rejected it. Again this is a sign of inexperienced spoiled child when he could not get his favorite toy. He refused any substitute. He could have said "Alright,but would you accept to be my VP if I had more delegates than yours?". That would make him look like a grown up man. He has fallen to her trap miserably and she is probably laughing satisfactorily as she would now be free to choose any VP to help her beat John McCain, Westly Clark, for example. If Obama wanted to avoid big dissappointment, he should start being himself, stop dreaming, reject all book knowledge,put his feet on solid ground.If he cannot fight, stop bragging about being positive, a nice guy. A guy who can get along with everybody is usually a guy with no position to defend. He is a self promoter, he does not represent any idea, any group but himself. He is an opportunist.

Posted by: n88e88 | March 10, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

EXPERIENCE ...

It is three in the morning and the phone rings.

It is New York Governor Eliot Spitzer on the line.

"Bill?"

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 10, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama is right, he is NOT Vice President, he's NOT EVEN ready for that, forget about President. He best bite his tongue. Hillary is more experienced and he should feel lucky he is considering him. When she does get the nomination down the line, he would be wise to accept!

Posted by: RyanHealey | March 10, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

If Clinton steals this election, a true third party should form. Perhaps we can call it the "Common Sense" party--CS--you know, like "Cut the Sh*t"

Posted by: sasidechick | March 10, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

dd --

I'm not paid, but this does take a lot of my time, and with people like you it often feels like I wasting it on people who refuse to examine the record of the guy they push.

I bet you still haven't watched the video.

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

The notion that a supporter of the Clinton political machine could call someone ELSE evil, is laughable.

Posted by: jameswhanger | March 10, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

svreader,

How long have you been Giuliani's pet troll?

Posted by: jim283 | March 10, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm so glad Obama didn't wait...he showed up just in time! I was starting to lose hope in my counrty...yes I haven't been proud of my country since? How terrible...how unAmerican to speak your true mind! Shame on you!

Posted by: brian | March 10, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

What's the hurry?? The biggest hurry is to keep another politician like Hillary Clinton or George Bush out of the White House.

Posted by: jameswhanger | March 10, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone still support Barry Obama knowing what he did to the poorest of the poor who trusted him in Chicago???

The guy is stone cold evil.

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

svreader and ermias kifle are inbred racists. True story.

Posted by: vmunikoti | March 10, 2008 06:13 PM

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Yes, they seem to be, but more so they are paid commenters. So we should just ignore them because, they are getting paid to agitate us. I guess you have to make a living doing something.

Posted by: ddraper81 | March 10, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

svreader

Dont be offended, your not a racist your an uninformed idiot who just does not like obama because you like clinton better. And if I told you I just bought a bag of heroin from obama you would take it as truth and run to your computer to post it as truth. Thats what dogmatic idiots do. They look for anything to support their views. But your no racist. Even though you sound like your a bit against obama because of his heritage that you pointed out, with the muslim father, he's pro muslim anti jewish remarks but you are no racist. How dare anyone call you that.

Posted by: gdavis4 | March 10, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

So long radicals and fearmongers, remember the library is still free in most places and they have some great books. And you get to leave your house or bunker for some of you.

Posted by: J_thinks | March 10, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

ermias.kifle so what is your point with the name list?

Posted by: ddraper81 | March 10, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

kec132 writes: "Whether or not Obama becomes the VP is besides the point -- the mocking tone of he and his campaign towards the VP slot is uncalled for, fairly ignorant and very juvenile."

That's the kind of twisting and distortin of Obama's statements that have become the Clinton campaign standard. Obama was not mocking the VP slot. What he was pointing out as ridiculous is for the candidate who is behind in delegates, states, and the popular vote to have the chutzpah to suggest she can demote the candidate in the lead to her VP. In the first place, any talk about a VP is ridiculously premature before the nomination for President is settled. In the second place, she is behind, and he is ahead in the contest for the nomination. But perhaps the most important point is that this is an obvious manipulative ploy on the part of the Clintons to suggest that, "If you vote for me, you don't have to choose between us. You can have both." It's an attempt to co-opt potential Obama voters.

On top of that we now hear Hillary Clinton not only encouraging superdelegates to steal the nomination from the voters by reversing the outcome of the primaries and caucases and giving the nomination to her even if she ends up with less democratically-elected pledged delegates. Now, she has the additional chutzpah to suggest that PLEDGED delegates can change their vote. That would be truly disenfranchising the voters!

Democratic voters in 2000 watched Al Gore win the popular vote, only to see George Bush become President, as ultimately decided by Supreme Court justices, some of whom owed their position to Bush's father. Now Hillary wants some more politicians, some of whom owe their position to her husband, to be able to again manipulate the nomination by giving it to her even if she does not win the popular vote. It's the old 2000 swindle all over again! This is a reflection of a campaign that is truly willing to do and say anything to win.


Posted by: PastorGene | March 10, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

vmu --

I dare you to produce any evidence of racism on my part.

How can you support Barry Obama knowing how he shafted the poorest of the poor people of color who voted for him in Chicago.

Or haven't you seen the video on "Obama's slums???"

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Shame on you, Hillary Clinton. You are attempting to undermine Barack Obama's lead by suggesting he should play second fiddle as V.P.

The true test of being V.P. is one's qualification to be commander-in-chief in the event that the President becomes incapcitated. But isn't Hillary's main argument that Obama isn't prepared to be commander-in-chief? But now she says he's qualified to be V.P.? Riiigght...

Posted by: jtsmith2 | March 10, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

cali_snowboarder - jealousy. yes he give a good speech, but so did Reagan, JFK, FDR...the inexperience argument is is thin at best. Bill Clinton had less experience in 1992 and gave a great speech, still does.

When you start looking for reasons not to vote for someone instead of reasons to vote for someone you already show your bias. Its just like the nuts who say, they should not vote for HRC because she is a woman, I do not agree with that. But, you will find just as many people who say - they will vote for her only for that reason, and do not care about what experience she has, so this goes both ways. Sorry to say.

And svreader, I do not see you as racist, but your post do border on the hate element, but on a personal level - you seem to truly hate obama, and not the fact that he shafted people of color. If that was your biggest gripe, you should in the peace corp over in rwanda right now.

Posted by: J_thinks | March 10, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama/Clinton....huh?...why not just call it Obama/Brutus. Obama will continue to exercise good judgement by not allowing any Clinton to cover his back....ever.

Posted by: soonipi6 | March 10, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and Bill Clinton will be held accountable for their decision to rip the Democratic party apart, as will the superdelegates, like Eliot Spitzer, who supported her. Perhaps the Clintons were paying him back for his support?

Posted by: jameswhanger | March 10, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

There is no way Hillary should offer Barry Obama the VP slot.

He's gotten rich and built his career on shafting people of color.

He's bad news.

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

svreader and ermias kifle are inbred racists. True story.

Posted by: vmunikoti | March 10, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton's Political Career
2000-2012*
R.I.P.

*She loses her Senate seat after almost destroying her party after attempting to steal the nomination at all costs and being caught on camera tearing Bill a new one before serving him divorce papers.

Posted by: brian | March 10, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

politicalobserver1 I that article on Sunday, we came away with totally different interpretations. Oh well, so much for your interpretation.

Posted by: ddraper81 | March 10, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama for VP eh? Looks like Hillary is speeding through life on Amphetamines.

Posted by: vmunikoti | March 10, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a guy who is too full of himself. Otherwise why in the hell would he run for President with just a year in the US senate? What's the hurry? Even if he wins the nomination, he would lose in the general election, simply because half the Hillary's supporter would never vote for him.

Posted by: amit.kumar | March 10, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

ad78,

Using subtle racism that replete with "deniability" DOES NOT negate the reality that it was done. Most people recognize that simple reality. The Clinton campaign and her supporters seem to deny that reality in the same way they deny the reality that she is losing.

Posted by: jameswhanger | March 10, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm not so stupid as to vote for someone simply because they were so inspiring. I actually do know the issues and perhaps what I should have said was "I knew that I was voting for Barack as soon as I heard him speak at the last convention AND I AGREE WITH HIM ON THE ISSUES."

Posted by: sasidechick | March 10, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Sirack
Nice post, but really, does it take a person with prophetic ability to challenge the wisdom of Bush's foreign policy?? My 16 year old does that on a regular basis.

And about that 2002 vote on the Joint Congressional Resolution. The proper question is what would Senator Obama have done to attempt to rein in a runaway President hell bent on making a war in Iraq?

What would Obama have done had he been in the Senate?? Made a speech?? Voted for a stronger resolution? Voted against the resolution that passed? Would anything that Obama could have done have deterred George Bush from going into a war that he had planned long before even going to Congress for a resolution?

And about how Obama would exercise his judgment, even after he got all the information needed for a decision, read:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa01.html

His judgment is shaped by his life and his life is shaped by his mother and her ideas about America and its place in it. Those are his views and his context and frame of reference. It is the best predictor of how he thinks and where he would take the country. If you like that then at least you have an informed opinion about the man with the blank slate.

He has 3 years in national elective office, 1 and a half years of which he has been consumed with running for President. Now that's ambitious. Eighteen months in Washington and he is running for President.

Posted by: pkmc83a | March 10, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

cali --

Actually his record in Chicago is well known by the people he shafted.

Take a look at the TV news report on Obama's slums when you get a chance.

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

svreader we (Obama supporters) do not have to watch anything a sicky directs us to. With your reasoning ability whatever it is I would not see it the same way as you, so let rest.

Posted by: ddraper81 | March 10, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

You mean this ISN"T the Free Republic forum?

Sure reads like it.

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | March 10, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick would be a better VP if Hillary get the nomination.

He wrote the original speeches and has good ideas that are his own. He also has some state experience.

Obama would stab Hillary in the back much like Edwards did to Kerry. He would back channel the Republicans or the Canadians if it suited him.

Posted by: hhkeller | March 10, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't blame the Republicans for all the Clinton's problems...much of it is their own doing...and I'm tired of it either way...just like I'm tired of Sienfield...power rangers...pearl jam...SNL...Michael Jordan...color me bad...Psh#ty...and a whole bunch of other oversaturated crap from the 90s. Change we're begging for! Obama 08!

What he said

Posted by: J_thinks | March 10, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

An Obama supporter wrote:

"Well, I knew that I was voting for Barack as soon as I heard him speak at the last convention"

...I think Obama is a phenomenal speaker, but it's this zealous adulation from his supporters that scares me. His record is incredibly thin, yet everyone is starry-eyed over his speeches.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | March 10, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

ad78,

That is a typically disingenuous response to an accurate assessment of your tactics. It no longer works. People see through them.

Posted by: jameswhanger | March 10, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

mad --

How dare you call me racist???

Please provide proof!!!

Or do Obama supporters consider anyone who doesn't worship Obama a racist???

How can you support a man who got rich and built his career on shafting people of color????

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Us Democrats are used to having elections stolen from us. It's usually the Republicans that do it to us and this time, it's our own candidates.

Posted by: sasidechick | March 10, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I am glad Barack is saying he is not interested in being the Vice-Presidential nominee, especially when most people realize how very unlikely Hillary could fairly and democratically win the nomination. He needs though to go a little further and declare, he will not accept the Vice-Presidential nomination, under any circumstances.

The strategy of the Clintons could not be more clear, cheat Barack out of the nomination in an undemocratic way, but try to assuage the twangs of conscience from those superdelegates who vote for her, by offering the V-P to Barack as "compensation." Hopefully he will not choose her as his Vice-Presidential nominee. Hillary is too polarizing, not qualified to be commander-in-chief, as demonstrated by her poor judgment in votes on Iraq and Iran, would be as hawkish as John McCain.

Al Gore would be a good choice for Vice-Presidential nominee.

Posted by: Koreen | March 10, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Is there a moderator on this site? This is the Washington Post, not some tabloid. Some of these posts are racist and beyond the pale (svreader, ermias.kifle, etc.) I feel like this is the National Inquirer, not a respectable news source. There should be rules to allowing posts. You need to monitor the filth that gets posted here and delete the obvious hate mongering.

Posted by: msdillo | March 10, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't blame the Republicans for all the Clinton's problems...much of it is their own doing...and I'm tired of it either way...just like I'm tired of Sienfield...power rangers...pearl jam...SNL...Michael Jordan...color me bad...Psh#ty...and a whole bunch of other oversaturated crap from the 90s. Change we're begging for! Obama 08!

Posted by: brian | March 10, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Obama Supporters --

Obama shafted the poorest of the poor and funneled $100M of taxpayer money to his buddy Rezko and you think its that's just fine.

You really are a cult!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

jring2

I know, obama has not pass the Clarence Thomas white guy litmus test that proves that if given a position of power I promise not only to not show any loyalty towards people of my race in any shape or form but must actually show contempt towards my race to make the whites feel comfortable. Funny I never see white like you put themselves under the same litmus test. Do you want the woman candidate to somehow prove she is not pro woman? How about the white male candidate. Does he have Caucasian loyalties that make you uncomfortable? Your an idiot.

Posted by: gdavis4 | March 10, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Judgement is the ability to look at the facts and make a quality decision. Let's look at the facts...Obama leads in popular vote, pledged delegates,and states won. Hillary can not win the pledged delegate total in the remaining primaries. Sooooooo.... Hillary, using all of her 35 years of experience, cranks up her deductive and deeply logical thought process and determines in her best judgement... "I will offer Senator Obama the opportunity to be my Vice-President...." I'm not sure the country can survive the experience, or the laughable thought process that arrives at that kind of good judgement.

Posted by: soonipi6 | March 10, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

jmcauli1 I really don't think you can speak for America. You should probably retract that entry. Who are you anyway?

Posted by: ddraper81 | March 10, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

The more Hillary talks, the more people she ticks off. I'm a 46-year-old white woman from Pittsburgh. She is supposed to appeal to me, that's what everyone on the political shows keep telling me. Well, I knew that I was voting for Barack as soon as I heard him speak at the last convention (I just didn't know when, or if, he was going to run). My friends who were for Hillary are slowing coming around. They can't stand how manipulative she is. She plays the victim on one hand while doing something underhanded with the other. People are tired of that kind of politics.

Posted by: sasidechick | March 10, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Who's friggin talking about VP!
This Obama is sounding everytime more a whiner, as we would need another one.
See, Clinton is talking of a "future together" and Obama is frisky ranting "no, no, no, no, I VP, never! Either Pres or notin"
Ma va fangulo!

We need togetherness, no macho-ness!

Posted by: SouthStar | March 10, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

spin --

What an ironic name. Everyone I know in Chicago thinks Obama is a world-class jerk.

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Why don't Obama supporters watch the video and see what happened to the last bunch of losers that made the mistake of trusting Barry Obama???

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

You Hillary fans are the dumbest I have ever seen. You seem to turn a blind eye to the Clintons dirt. Of which there is a proven list. And I have to laugh because Hillary has right from the start been the sarcastic one and you blame Obama for that. What a laugh. Oh well when Hillary and Bill get richer than they are now when and ifffff she becomes president...I hope you all go bankrupt. But she has no chance of winning if she loses Obama's base of voters. So wake up. As Bill Maher said...only time Hillary ever reacted to a 3a. m . phone call was when Bill called her to bail him out of jail and bring a spare pair of pants. Haaaahaaaa...how appropo. Oh and for you dumb Hillary people..all you need to do is go to the internet and find out facts..uh like Obama a muslim? Noooo he's not.....duh.

Posted by: Webster51 | March 10, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

The fact that comments like the one 'OneForAll' made are allowed to pass on this page without a response of disgust from other readers surprises me. It is that kind of ignorant, prejudiced, and unfounded rhetoric that characterizes our country in a poor light throughout the world. I have not been so shocked by a comment since my first reading of the Ron Paul Newsletter. Such slander is inexcusable, no matter what side you are on.

Further, I live in Chicago. Obama is not only respected, but beloved.

The city itself is the victim of a local machine that no state senator is going to be able to undo until there is a NEW MAYOR (not related to a Daley). You can not put centuries of Chicago machine politics at Obama's feet.

I will also point out that he goes to church.

Posted by: spinnaker06 | March 10, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

richrmartinez: "Judgement: Senator Clinton voted for a war that has now cost us in excess of three trillion dollars; Senator Obama opposed the war."
First he wasn't even in the Senate at the time of the vote, he was making speeches in Chicago. Second, if he is so opposed to the war, why then did he vote "NO" to setting a date and time table for withdrawl everytime the bill went to vote?. Then again, go to the Senate Webpage and click on Senate Voting and see for yourself that he has voted IDENTICAL to Clinton on every bill that involve the war. And if you are going to keep refering to the vote for war, please, remember that it was an Authorization for the President to use military forces as he determined as Commander in Chief and was not a declaration of war. I keep hearing him sprout and promise that "I will change and unite this country again and we can do it" but, as his voting record shows, that is only when he makes speeches isn't it. He has no intention of doing what he has promised.

Posted by: Frankie58 | March 10, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Re: Hillary

" As comedian Steven Wright noted, "To succeed in politics, it is often necessary to rise above your principles".

Posted by: Keenobserver | March 10, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Just when I start liking Obama, he comes out with a comment which sounds like "Fall on your knees, I am the messiah, too good for the Vice-Presidency". He sure didn't do too much for the poor as Illinois state Senator (a parttimme job 70 days a year) and then as a US Senator helped one bill for Ghana,Africa in three years. I see prideful arrogance, not hard work. He and his wife don't have much use for the average American, and remarks made by both Obama and Michelle seem to be filled with hatred. Red warnimg flags are showing.

Posted by: drzimmern | March 10, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

"ad78, When condescension, distortion, outright lying, and race baiting are the primary tactics of the Clinton campaign, you are surprised when they are called on it?? That's a bit naive, don't you think?"

My dear jameswhanger, how in the name of hell did you answer any of my comments with your completely random, ad-hominem attack? this is typical of obamabots, just as it is of their great messiah himself...when you are asked to stop spewing hatred and anger, you hit back hard with more anger that is completely ad-hominem.


Posted by: ad78 | March 10, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

jring2

I forget we are living in the 24 hour news cycle generation where we spend six months making a saint out of people 24/7 then spend the next six months making satan out of the same people. We love to build them up without merit than tear them down without merit dont we. Now obama just by name recognition is a drug dealing islamic extremist. By mid summer he should have blood ties to Hitler and the PLO. This is the same country of people who spent years building up Britney Spears and now enjoys watching her public demise. Base on your bias views I would not respect any candidate that your chose for office. I guess you would rather keep bush and cheney. At least they wear flags on their lapels huh? That makes them better than obama the terrorist.

Posted by: gdavis4 | March 10, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama. It's about time you threw cold water on Clintons' delusion and their insinuating sleazy double talk into misleading some naive people. It's amazing how Clintons continue to patronize the public. Did someone mention Spitzer for H. Clinton? Spitzer's just apologized after being caught in the prostitution ring! Fine company Clintons keep. Birds of the feather flock together, what?

Posted by: pelohoki | March 10, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

steveboyington - love the sports reference - good point

Posted by: J_thinks | March 10, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

But we all know that if Obama gets the nomination, OF COURSE Hillary will accept the VP slot. If anyone believes for 30 seconds that she wouldn't, and that she wouldn't be great in the role, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

To the poster who said that Hillary's negatives are too high to make her viable, I say this: ANY candidate who's subjected to 17 years of blistering GOP attacks will have high negatives. Al Gore and Kerry had incredibly high negatives by election day -- about the same level as Hillary does now. Once the GOP attack machine revs up against Obama, his will climb too. That's the way it works.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | March 10, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

We can't have Hillary as President because for sure one of the qualifications for the job is deductive reasoning and ability to analyze objectively and accurately and this equation that she has put together in her mind in "offering" something that she in not in a position to is a prime example of her lack of reasoning and analysis. And I don't know why she would listen to Bill on this strategy, after all it has already been proven that his brain gets tilted in the wrong way. I mean she should know more than anyone after 20 + years of in ability to get "side-tracked" with various "things". Bottom line is as the Honorable Senator Obama has graciously, yet sternly (I love when he does that)points out she is in second place. I know she keeps trying to conveniently forget that. However, she doesn't have to worry. There is a clear thinker around to help her out. She should thank Senator Obama for keeping her clear on what is really going on, it is the attribute of a leader.

Posted by: ddraper81 | March 10, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

There is no way Barack would ask Hillary to be his running mate. Only a fool would invite the dysfunctional Clintons, along with all their baggage, into his inner circle ...

She can't catch him in delegates, period. He's got time to finish her off in Pennsylvania, in which case the super-d's will flock to him ...

JK

Posted by: joe_kyle | March 10, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

What is funnier, someone with the handle like Cletus Kifle posting Obamas middle name over and over in CAPS, or the fact that he keeps spelling it wrong?

If it weren't so sad it'd be funny.

Posted by: steveboyington | March 10, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Here is an interesting article about Obama's readiness.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20080310/cm_huffpost/090690

Posted by: Sirack | March 10, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama: I'm No Vice President
America: Your No President!

Posted by: jmcauli1 | March 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

From the Boston Globe during the 2004 primary season:

"Several Kerry advisers say the Massachusetts senator is skeptical about Edwards's strength as a running mate, saying he appears to lack the clout with Southern voters that he often brags about being able to deliver. Edwards's inability to win more than a single primary state thus far may give him the aura of a loser in the general election, these Kerry aides said. And Kerry himself recently noted with a touch of derision that, according to opinion polls, President Bush would defeat Edwards in his own home state of North Carolina.

Kerry is also said to be unconvinced that Edwards is experienced enough to step in as a wartime president should something happen to him. National security credentials are the most important assets that the Democratic presidential front-runner would use to choose a running mate, these aides said."

Is it so unfamiliar to Obamabots that during the primary season, presidential candidates question each others ability to lead the country? When Clinton does it, she is a monster but when a liberal Massachusetts senator (who looks like he could be French, no less) does it, he is embraced by the Obama campaign four years later? Hows is that for some "change"?

Posted by: ad78 | March 10, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

cali_snowboarder - it is not the fact that he stated it would be a great ticket, but what they are offering is that the ticket should be joint and she should be on the top of the ticket. So just to be clear that IS what was implied. He never said, nor HRC that EITHER on top is good, it was implied that she lead and he follow.

I agree that who is on top of the ticket should not matter. But coming from them, they BOTH stated that HRC should be on top, that is what is being debated. But I think you know that already.

Posted by: J_thinks | March 10, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Funny, on Sunday I was watching the Duke-NC college basketball game. NC was ahead by about 10 point with a couple minutes left.

Coach K called a timeout for Duke.

Weirdly enough, tThe announcers didn't point out that what Duke should do is go over to the NC bench and make a proposal: If NC stops playing, Duke will let them finish second! Wouldn't having a "2nd place in ACC regular season" be a great deal for NC?

No, they said "Looks like NC is going on to clinch the ACC regular season. Duke doesn't have much of a shot any more."

Those announcers obviously have never gone into politics. Coach K, were he advised by Howard Wolfson and Maggie Williams, would have called a press conference to announce that they had thought it over, and it would be better if Duke was given the title.

Posted by: steveboyington | March 10, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

cali_snowboarder. Obama/Clinton Ticket? Half of all Americans have a negative opinion of Hilary and Bill would prove a constant distraction. Both Hillary and Bill love attention and would stay awake nights figuring out how embarrass and out shine Oblama. Any Obama/Clinton combo would be a toxic and ineffective ticket.

Posted by: x32792 | March 10, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

ad78,

When condescension, distortion, outright lying, and race baiting are the primary tactics of the Clinton campaign, you are surprised when they are called on it?? That's a bit naive, don't you think?

Posted by: jameswhanger | March 10, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Who can anyone see what Obama did to the poorest of the poor in Chicago and not totally dispise him???

He totally screwed over the people who voted for him, elected him, and trusted him to look out for them and protect them.

Barry Obama really is a monster.

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

I don't get the outrage from Sen. Obama's supporters. Just before Texas and Ohio, Sen. Obama was calling on Sen. Clinton to drop out of the race entirely. That was hubris.

Current polls show the candidates in a statistical dead heat. Sen. Obama can cite all of the states and delegates won that he wants to. The fact is that neither candidate can win the nomination without the support of superdelegates. There is no front runner. They are tied.

The only math that matters here is the Electoral College. The superdelegates have to nominate the candidate who is most likely to win the Electoral College. If they don't, John and Cindy McCain will move into the White House on January 20, 2009. Ask Al Gore, he knows all about losing the Electoral College.

I find Sen. Clinton's suggestion to be an opportunity to unite the Democratic Party. Sen. Obama's outright rejection of this offer seriously undermines his claim to be a "uniter." He could have stepped up to unite the Party by making the same offer to Sen. Clinton. He didn't do that. My read is that his personal political ambition is more important to him than recognizing that Democratic voters like both candidates and dealing with it.

Politics is the art of compromise. Sen Clinton is smart enough, and experienced enough, to recognize that the Democratic Party is going to have craft a compromise to win the general election. Bravo to her for taking the initiative and reaching out to do so.

Posted by: donna1000 | March 10, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Never let facts get in the way of an informed decision. The fact of the matter is Barack Obama is not a Muslim. However, it seems some people wish to live in an alternate reality.

Posted by: lieb666 | March 10, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton campaign thinks this ploy is "brilliant". That is the funniest thing I've ever seen. This is perhaps the stupidest move they could have made at this point. Wolfson is so blinded by his need to get nasty, that he's incapable of seeing the likely outcome of his decisions.

Posted by: jameswhanger | March 10, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Better a deceitful, say anything-do anything, decisive WHITE woman than a capable BLACK man? Is that all you got?

Posted by: x32792 | March 10, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't anyone here, just for one second, take Bill Clinton's comments at face value? Is it really THAT incongruous that he was providing genuine analysis? Does anyone disagree that a joint ticket would be potent? Imagine the combined war chest, the combined donor lists, the combined experience on the campaign trail, etc. And the combination of the first African American and first woman to hold either office would be electrifying.

Perhaps it doesn't make "strategic" sense for either of them to offer the spot to the other, but when Bill Clinton was picking a VP, every one told him he needed someone older, to offset his youth. Whom did he choose? Al Gore, who was even younger than Bill Clinton....

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | March 10, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse


"To add insult to injury, just because Senator Obama is black does that mean he has to go to the back of the bus? That is the feeling that I get with her saying he "could" be her Vic-President."

To the reader who just patiently and honorably serviced all of us by surveying the comments...is the above poster not "racist"? i can assure you that she is not pro-hillary. this is typical of the obama camp's tactics this season, play the race card but get away with it because after all, you are the black guy.

as a hillary supporter and someone not burdened with white guilt so i can say this openly, i am DISGUSTED by these racial tactics employed by the obama campaign.


Posted by: ad78 | March 10, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama DID NOT go to a madrassa he went to an international school where the instruction was based according to religious preference.

Posted by: lieb666 | March 10, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

j_think --

I have friends that have known Obama for years.

The guy is an ego-mainiac and a total jerk.

He laughs at his own supporters.

He got rich and built his career by shafting everyone who made the mistake of trusting him, especially people of color.

The real Obama is a grade-a jerk and should be in jail, not the whitehouse.

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Clinton continues to play on Obama's inexperience. She has made a very brillian maneuver by this gambit.

Should she come out on top, or win over the Superdelegates to her cause, the last thing she wants is Obama as VP. So she has put this out, anticipating his strong statement that he would never take a VP position and now she is immunized in the event that there is pressure on her to take Obama on the ticket.

She can now say, that he has firmly rejected the offer. End of Story.

Obama has played this rather poorly, he should have left himself some maneuver room, but his statement leaves no room at all.

In much the same way as his policy pronouncements have been rather absolute. He will be out of Iraq in 2009. He must know that there is no way to do that, yet he keeps selling it and people keep buying until one day very soon they will wake up and realize that he cannot deliver on that position.

While we all wish for these things, if such wishes were reality, then ice cream would have no bones and frogs wouldn't bump their butt when they jumped either.

Posted by: pkmc83a | March 10, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

At some point, Hillary and Obama will need to kiss and make up, for the good of the party and the country. Bill Clinton is right: a joint ticket would be absolutely unstoppable. That is the only point worth discussing. The snippy follow-up comments are irrelevant.

Whether Obama or Hillary is atop the ticket, it really doesn't matter: their combination would be lethal, from an electoral/geographic/demographic standpoint. Bill Clinton was being gracious when he made his comments, and Obama's strong rebukes today come across as petulant, in my opinion.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | March 10, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

svreader - I agree with some of what you put forth, but your total disregard for other opinions make your argument seem like just that, a complete closed minded argument - with only your side having any merit.

Posted by: J_thinks | March 10, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

svreader - No, I never said it was fine. I said, you posted the same post over 100 times.

Posted by: J_thinks | March 10, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Given that she has to either: 1) attempt to convince the Superdelegates to overturn the will of the people due to the fact that Obama has an insurmountable lead in pledged delegates (which anyone with a pulse realizes that this would end any serious chances for the Democrats to win a general election in November); OR 2) attempt to use her political machine to force Florida and Michigan into spending a ton of money to re-stage the primaries even though they clearly broke the rules (wonder if they would be pushing this hard for a re-vote if they didn't come out ahead in the unchallenged voting), I would say that she is in absolutely no position to suggest that Obama should be her VP candidate.

At this point, it is looking like the Democratic nomination is his to lose and it goes without saying that he would not offer the VP post to her. She would be nothing but a drag on the ticket and, even worse for the Democrats, she would help mobilize Republuican voters who want to see her political life extinguished.

Posted by: gthstonesman | March 10, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Super delegates should all vote for Mike Gravel. Then nobody wins on the first vote at the convention. After that all delegates are free to vote for whomever. I have heard enough from either of the current front runners to see that neither can bring together a winning coalition and secure the nomination.

Posted by: bob_ip3 | March 10, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

ermias guy...i hope you are doing this for money; and that they are paying you well. otherwise my friend,you are in serious need of professional help.
my blessing to you and hope that all be well for/with you.

Posted by: PCM011 | March 10, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

lane2125 --

Obama got rich and built his career by screwing-over people of color.

The real Obama is a real jerk.

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

j_thinks --

Obama shafted the poorest of the poor and funneled $100M of taxpayer money to his buddy Rezko and you think its that's just fine.

What kind of monster are you???

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

ermias.kifle get off that pig, you should be tired by now

Posted by: J_thinks | March 10, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Having reviewed all of the comments on this blog, I think two things are clear:

a) The Post is certainly not doing its job of policing the blog to remove racist or hate-oriented comments. (Check the terms of use.)

b) If the Post did its job and removed all of the racist or hate-oriented comments there would be very few if any pro-Hillary comments left.

This should (perhaps) tell us something about what is driving the Clinton campaign at this point.

Posted by: lane2125 | March 10, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Bill & Hillary are experts at the doublespeak, doubletalk, and assorted non-sense.

Obama 08

Posted by: Maddogg | March 10, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama-could care less about the U.S. He's a junior politician with a thirst for being the big cheese. Numero Uno-nothing else.

Well, maybe we go from chimp to big cheese??

But for a 'straight shooter'. he sure has a lot of below the belt punches he throws around. A vote for Obama is a vote for a Republican president in 2012.

Posted by: rrau22 | March 10, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I think Senator Clinton should be held personally responsible if the Democrats lose this Presidential Race. She obviously does not care about the United States, this is just about power. To add insult to injury, just because Senator Obama is black does that mean he has to go to the back of the bus? That is the feeling that I get with her saying he "could" be her Vic-President.

Posted by: kim.goldak | March 10, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Is an Experienced President a Good President?

How good Are experienced presidents, anyway? Suppose you had to choose between two Presidential candidates, one of whom had spent 20 years in Congress plus had considerable other relevant experience and the other of whom had about half a dozen years in the Illinois state legislature and 2 years in Congress. Which one do you think would make a better President? If you chose #1, congratulations, you picked James Buchanan over Abraham Lincoln. Your pick disagrees with that of most historians, who see Lincoln as the greatest President ever and Buchanan as the second worst ever, better only than Warren "Teapot Dome" Harding. Both served in what was probably the most difficult period in American history, where slavery and secession tore the nation asunder.

Before becoming President, Buchanan had served 6 years in the Pennsylvania state legislature, 10 years in the U.S. House of Representatives, 4 years as ambassador to Russia, 10 years in the Senate, 4 years as Secretary of State, and 4 years as Ambassador to England. Talk about experience, Buchanan did just about everything except serve on the Supreme Court, a job he was offered by President Polk and refused. Yet by any measure, he wasn't up to the job as President. In contrast, Abraham Lincoln served 8 years in the Illinois legislature and one term in the U.S. House (1847-1849), a decade before becoming President. The rest of the time he was a lawyer in private practice, a bit thin one might say.

Posted by: pweise | March 10, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama is not a Muslim, and even if he was, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING A MUSLIM!!!!!!!! Islam is one of the most tolerant, accepting, and peaceful major religions in existence. Islamic extremists are to Islam what the KKK is to Christianity.

Posted by: Gondolathrash | March 10, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

obama's harvard education clearly did not teach him a simple idea called probability.

clinton's probability of dying in office on day one: close to zero...therefore, obama unlikely to be president on day 1, even if he did become the VP. clinton's probability of croaking in office on day 1200: higher (although still negligible)...obama is more ready by now, with four years of VP experience under his belt.

therefore, it is still entirely logically consistent for clinton to think he would make a good VP but not a good president YET. it is a view shared by many people in the country, most of them clinton supporters who think obama is a little green for the job. and clinton supporters do still make up close to half of the democratic electorate so its not so unreal.

to extend the obama logic a little further, according to his argument: if he become VP, he may have to become to president on day one with a high enough probability that we should question clinton's integrity. by that same token, if obama became president, his VP would need to replace him on day one with that same high probability. so then what about this "hope" and "change"? who is going to bring that about?

and if obama finds himself responding to clinton's supposedly "dirty" tactics with such vitriol, whats he going to do against the republican machine? is he going to abandon "change" and "hope" and "bipartisanship" so that he can be president and fulfill his childhood dream?

Posted by: ad78 | March 10, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

svreader - I did watch the video, I watch and read lots of things. So what is your point? Videos, and news for that matter typically put out a point of view. Just like I can send you multiple videos that show HRC and or Bill in a negative light over the past 20 years, but whats the point of that, you support her and would deem them all to be slander and BS. I am not a zealot that thinks that anyone is a saint, as seems to be your position - that absolutely no-one is above reproach but HRC. Are you nuts? Do you know how silly that sounds. You appear to be too intelligent to be supporting that view - so there must be some other point you are trying to make here and I don't get it.

My issue with you is still the same, you keep posting the same item, over, and over, and over again - regardless of the topic of the story being discussed. The same item, over and over and over again, even if obama is not in the subject line you insert this same post? As if someone has not seen your video yet, which is impossible since you have been posting it for several weeks.

Posted by: J_thinks | March 10, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

There is no way in the world Hillary should let Obama be VP.

Obama got rich and built his career by screwing-over people of color.

The real Obama is a real jerk.

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Mr. and Mrs. Clinton comments about 'offering' the position of V.P. to Mr. Obama it is not just moronic, but also desperate.
Mr. Obama has almost 100 more delegates, he has double the amount of States won, and he has the the larger amount of the popular vote...and the Clinton's are so generous to offer the second position to the person who is in first place?

HMM, get a pill!
This is the type of manipulative experience that has sunk this country for the last 30 years.
We need a new generation of politicians. Looking at the Clintons is like looking at the future through the rearview mirror!

Posted by: PCM011 | March 10, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Here it is ...you have 1 Clinton who doesn't want anyone to know about his presidency, and another who expects to be president without releasing 8...8 years of tax returns. Wake up people!! The Democratic party and the country simply cannot afford another 4-8 years of Clinton DIRT AND DRAMA!!

LITTLE ROCK -- Federal archivists at the Clinton Presidential Library are blocking the release of hundreds of pages of White House papers on pardons that the former president approved, including clemency for fugitive commodities trader Marc Rich.

The archivists' decision, based on guidance provided by Bill Clinton that restricts the disclosure of advice he received from aides, prevents public scrutiny of documents that would shed light on how he decided which pardons to approve from among hundreds of requests.

Clinton's legal agent declined the option of reviewing and releasing the documents that were withheld, said the archivists, who work for the federal government, not the Clintons.

The decision to withhold the records could provide fodder for critics who say that the former president and his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, now seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, have been unwilling to fully release documents to public scrutiny.

Officials with the presidential campaign of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., criticized Hillary Clinton this week for not doing more to see that records from her husband's administration are made public. "She's been reluctant to disclose information," Obama's chief strategist, David Axelrod, told reporters in a conference call in which he specifically cited the slow release records from the Clinton library. "If she's not willing to be open with (voters) on these issues now, why would she be open as president?"

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In January 2006, USA TODAY requested documents about the pardons under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). The library made 4,000 pages available this week. However, 1,500 pages were either partially redacted or withheld entirely, including 300 pages covering internal White House communications on pardon decisions, such as memos to and from the president, and reports on which pardon requests the Justice Department opposed.

In a statement, the Clinton campaign said that "all of the redactions made to the pardon-related documents were made by (the National Archives)."

Former president Clinton issued 140 pardons on his last day in office, including several to controversial figures, such as commodities trader Rich, then a fugitive on tax evasion charges. Rich's ex-wife, Denise, contributed $2,000 in 1999 to Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign; $5,000 to a related political action committee; and $450,000 to a fund set up to build the Clinton library.

The president also pardoned two men who each paid Sen. Clinton's brother, Hugh Rodham, about $200,000 to lobby the White House for pardons -- one for a drug conviction and one for mail fraud and perjury convictions, according to a 2002 report by the House committee on government reform. After the payments came to light, Bill Clinton issued a statement: "Neither Hillary nor I had any knowledge of such payments," the report said.

The pardon records released by the library divulge little that might settle debate about those and other pardons. But they do shed new light on the volume of clemency requests that former president Clinton received -- and the pressures he and his staff faced as friends, advisers, political leaders and foreign heads of state weighed in to influence which petitions would be granted.

The files contain handwritten letters from several of the president's close associates. Former Democratic Party chairman Donald Fowler of South Carolina wrote a note seeking clemency for former congressman John Jenrette, D-S.C., who was convicted in the 1980 Abscam sting in which FBI agents, posing as Middle Eastern businessmen, offered lawmakers bribes for political favors. Clinton did not grant the pardon.

Most of the withheld documents, including dozens of clemency pleas sent to the president, were blocked from release under FOIA rules that protect personal privacy. The 300 pages of internal White House documents on pardon requests were blocked under the Presidential Records Act of 1978, which allows presidents to maintain the confidentiality of communications with their advisers for up to 12 years after they leave office.

In 2002, Clinton sent a guidance letter to his library that urged quick release of most White House records but retained the confidentiality prerogative covering advice from his staff. Still, Clinton said the restriction should be interpreted "narrowly" and allowed that certain records detailing internal communications could be made public if reviewed and approved for release by his designated legal agent.

Emily Robison, the library's deputy director, said Clinton's agent, former deputy White House counsel Bruce Lindsey, chose not to review the withheld documents.

Lindsey "was given the opportunity to look at what we withheld under the (president's) guidelines, and he chose not to. ... Only Mr. Lindsey and the president have the authority to open those," she said.

The William J. Clinton Foundation, which Lindsey helps oversee, said in a written statement that the National Archives is responsible for deciding which records are withheld under the Presidential Records Act. Archivists were exclusively responsible for "determinations with respect to these materials," the statement said.

Clinton's guidance to the library goes beyond his predecessors, George H.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan, in urging that most of his presidential records be released quickly, according to Tom Blanton of the National Security Archive, a research institute at George Washington University that collects government records for public use.

Blanton noted that Lindsey's refusal to review the withheld documents could be viewed as an effort to ensure the archivists' independence. "He's saying the professional archivists get to make this determination; it's not a political determination."

The archivists' decision to withhold records that could be construed as confidential communications between Clinton and his advisers is more consistent with the Bush administration's hard line on the release of White House records, Blanton said.

President Bush signed an order in November 2001 that broadened former presidents' prerogative to block the release of internal White House records. That order, which Bill Clinton opposed, also allows a president's immediate family to assert the privilege.

In 2004, Judicial Watch, a conservative public interest group, went to court to force the Bush administration to release Justice Department records on Clinton's pardons, and a federal judge ordered that the records be opened. But the administration, which argued that such releases would undermine a president's ability to get confidential advice, blacked out most of the documents it made public.

Christopher Farrell, a Judicial Watch director, noted that the pardon records blocked by the library also included all Justice Department reports that were sent to Clinton with recommendations on which clemency requests he should deny. He said it was "ridiculous" to withhold clemency petitions over privacy concerns. "These are people who were convicted in a court, and those cases are a matter of public record."

Posted by: marthadavidson | March 10, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Anyone born a Muslim is a Muslim for life!

Barry Hussien Born Muslim

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

As an Independent I'm tired of the Republicans and the way they gutted our country these past 7 years. Just when I saw light at the end of the tunnel Clinton and Obama and all the bickering, back stabbing and deception is turning me off voting for the Democrats. All of you Democrats make me sick... join together to beat McCain or get used to another 4 years of Bush's policies. Both Clinton and Obama are educated adults so let them sit down and work it out. If the so called super delegates choose you can bet the losing sides supporters will stay home in November??? Is that what you crybaby democrates want???

Posted by: chubbycheekers | March 10, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Folks, when did it become mandatory that you must dislike one candidate if you favor the other? Why do hillary supporters spew hate towards obama? Which is causing obama supporters to start to do the same. Democrat voters are loosing perspective on the 08 race because we are now willing to go negative within the party. The only way we will win the white house is to be willing to support whoever gets the nomination but what I see is voters becomming divided when you don't have to. If obama gets the nomination support him, if hillary gets it support her. I like obama, that does not mean I dislike hillary. If either candidate sticks to the issues that we need to address they will make strong candidates. As voters we cannot afford to play dirty within then play nice to the republicans. If you are a democrat then your political rival is not within your party.

Posted by: gdavis4 | March 10, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Clinton / Spitzer for President.

Posted by: tariqahmed | March 10, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

"www.borderfirereport.net, Border Fire Report dated March 8, 2008, "Obama Has Some Serious Explaining to Do," by Tim Fitton."

Just the sort of tired old racist crap we've had to put up with for years. if you can't find any facts, make them up.

Makes me even more keen on Obama.

Posted by: rhanrott | March 10, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Mark my words, if Hillary steals the nomination, even if she offers Obama a VP spot, they will lose in the general election. Obama is a shining star, Hillary has too much baggage (Whitewater, cattle futures, tax returns, contributions and loans, etc.) She will damage the Dem party for years to come, and then try to blame it on Obama. IF Obama keeps the nomination (which he is winning handily), he should choose a VP from the military ranks, Webb or Clark, or someone along those lines. He will beat McCain handily. Trust me, there is such widespread dislike of the Clintons, it will cost the Dems an election they should win otherwise.

Posted by: bfjam | March 10, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

People like ermias.kifle are the reason why we are in trouble as a nation today. Racism and shameful ignorance are a much greater threat to the future of this country than any terrorist organization ever could be.

Posted by: Gondolathrash | March 10, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

The Black population in GOP LAND


Alabama's : 26.3%

Georgia's: 29.9%

Louisiana's: 31.7%

Mississippi's: 37.1%

North Carolina's: 21.7%

South Carolina's: 29.0%

In Ohio, Obama won "ONLY" 5 out of 88 counties. Those 5 Ohio counties account for the majority of the "BLACK" vote, the only group of voters Obama won

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

This just in: Elizabeth Edwards offers Hillary Clinton the V.P. spot in her husband's run for the presidency.

Posted by: terry1960 | March 10, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Uhhh, am I missing something here? Isn't the winning candidate supposed to be the Democratic nominee? Mrs. Clinton trails in both delegates and popular vote. Shouldn't Mr. Obama be suggesting her as his VP?

Posted by: curt.southworth | March 10, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

this is really simple

If Clinton honestly believed that Obama was unqualified to be commander in Chief she is willing to have him as her running mate just so she can be elected- proving that she cares more about herself than the country i.e. do anything say anything to be elected.

Or she actually believes that Obama is qualified to be commander in chief but is willing to attack him and by doing so give aid and comfort to McCain should Obama be the nominee i.e. if I can't have it no other Democrat will.

I would ask a Clinton supporter to give me a third option.

Posted by: rds748 | March 10, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

VoiceofReason5: I do not like posting this everywhere. But you are right only 50%. Obama is not a Muslim according to himself and the US media, but not the view of fundamentalist Muslims. Anyone born a Muslim is a Muslim for life, cannot change. Just look at the fevor in the mideast about him, and ask someone who happen to be Muslim, you will understand what is going on. There is a huge expectation from that part of the world that Obama will help Islam. Failing to do so can cause major trouble for him and his family, which is very hard to protect against extremists. Do you think this will not affect Obama's ability to defend the interest of this country?

Just give you one evidence. Obama's grandma, who still lives in Kenya, refuse to show her face to the camera, or talk to reporters. She knows the danger.

Posted by: work2play | March 10, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Barry Hussien Obama is FRAUD and a MUSLIM

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The Black Vote in GOP LAND


Alabama's : 26.3%

Georgia's: 29.9%

Louisiana's: 31.7%

Mississippi's: 37.1%

North Carolina's: 21.7%

South Carolina's: 29.0%

In Ohio, Obama won "ONLY" 5 out of 88 counties. Those 5 Ohio counties account for the majority of the "BLACK" vote, the only group of voters Obama won

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

ripper --

What kind of a monsters are you and the other obama-nuts???

WATCH THE VIDEO!!!!

Obama screwed over the poor people who elected him in Chicago and left them to rot in slums.

Nobody with an ounce of integrity would support Obama knowing what he did.

You still haven't watched the video, have you???

Or does winning at all costs mean so much to you that you would want to elect a man who got rich and built his career on screwing the people of color who trusted him?

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

As a life long Democrat and liberal I have never been more excited or proud of my party and the outstanding choices we ofter for the world,s future! I believe Hillary is the past and Obama Hussein is the future and the leader of the Democrat Party!

Our parties strong stand against the Constitution and Rule of Law for Illegal Immigration should bring the Illegal Immigrants into our camp. Indeed, all immigrants from around the world that want to immigrate to the USA but do not want to go thought. the hassle of legal Immigration will support us. Finally American can live up to its creed under the Democrats and Citizens of the world irregardless of Religion, Race, Tribe, Nationally, Education, Diseases or Skills can come to American and be citizens of this great Nation and the Democrat party while slopping at the trough of public welfare! Our growing and expanding population with our teeming masses from sea to polluted sea will drive our wages to third world status and allow to us compete with China, India, and other third world countries and end outsourcing of our jobs.

It may require a balancing act having both the Blacks and Latinos under the same tent with Latino hater of Blacks while Blacks are very upset over Latinos Hi-Jacking their civil rights by equating walking across a border to the nearest welfare office, as the same as blacks experienced with slavery. The Ethic cleansing of Blacks in LA by Illegal Hispanics will also make his task harder, but if anyone can ofter them welfare haven then Obama is the Man.

I think as a seasoned, & experienced drug user Obama and as he says in his book , knowing how to score some blow, he will address how backward, unfair and punitive our drug laws are and legalize drugs. This would release millions of Drug users and drug dealers from prison. They, with their knowledge and experience could go into selling, distribution and expanding the legal drug trade and help our economy and the Black & Hispanic communities. In addition to saving tax payers Tens of Billions now spend in incarceration, prevention and drug fighting cost. Of course, all drugs would have a high tax but still be much cheaper than Illegal drugs. We could earmark the tax receipts from drugs to the millions of Uneducated Immigrants we gave American citizenship to help offset the net cost of 20k per year each cost in public welfare. This would reduced the price of drugs to where the average American citizen could afford good coke, just like the elites and Politicians, This will also reduce the price of creak for our poorer citizens, and make their life more enjoyable for our teeming masses. But I fear legalizing drugs will be beyond even Obama. The drugs lords have so many Billions due to high prices , to share with our Politicians to keep our borders open for drugs, illegal immigrants, and terrorist to pour across, that the special interests will never let him legalize drugs. I know Obama, you will do your best and that is all we can ask!

Posted by: american1 | March 10, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama,
You certainly are not, as you are not qualified to be a VP. And we will not even get into the joke of your experience, or lack of, for President.
And we are TIRED of you and your cronies saying you lead in delegates! The fact is this: 1) you get almost 2 to 1 delegates in African american communities compared to other counties or districts in states throughout the United States! Do you think we are not aware that you get a big lead basically because of DNC delegate rules put into place when Jesse Jackson was runnning? Well we are! 2) These caucuses you are so fond of are bias to you! Why? Because they leave out MANY voters that work, single parents with children, elderly and others! Of course, we are also all aware that the majority of voters left out are Hillary Clinton supporters. 3) You do not lead when Florida and Michigan are included, but you say that is "unfair" to you! 4) You also say that Super Delegates vote with the popular vote of the state. Well that means Kerry and Kennedy and many of your other "endorsers" will have to vote for Clinton! You lost Massachusets, as well as New York, California, Ohio, Nevada, New Jersey, Rhode Island, New Mexico, Tennesse and Texas and of course, Michigam and Florida! And you will also lose Pennsylvania and others to come. Make sure ALL of the Super Delegates from these states vote for Hillary! You cannot have it both ways! YOU NEED TO GET REAL! This whole Democratic race has been bias to you! It is Hillary Clinton that is and still is being treated UNFAIRLY by the "democratic" process and be assured, it is NOT going unnoticed by the Democrats that support her! And while we are at it, the next time you say she is "decisive" and disliked and a divider.........please look at the polls! She has a 62% favorable rating and you have a 58%. That means she is favored by more democrats than you! You will be conceding after Pennsylvania, as you should. The new polls have her winning the General Election in the Dem states! This is REQUIRED to actually WIN the Presidency! This should not and will not be overlooked by the Super Delegates!

Posted by: Texan2007 | March 10, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

In Ohio, Obama won "ONLY" 5 out of 88 counties. Those 5 Ohio counties account for the majority of the "BLACK" vote, the only group of voters Obama won

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton not only would lose to McCain but she would cost the Democrats Congress since many Democrats would stay home on election day with Hillary as the nominee and not vote for their Democratic congressperson. Hillary can barely win blue states. Independents would vote McCain.

Posted by: info4 | March 10, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Sadly,

the Clinton supporters who write their tantrums large upon the forums forget that people also can read the facts and that people understand they do not come from ranting idiots.

Posted by: rippermccord | March 10, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

kec132

so isn't the suggestions by bill and hillary more inapropriate and arrogant than his response? And what record does the last 3 out of four presidents have before becomming president? Bush was gov of TX. Bill was governor of ARkansas, Reagan was governor of California, Carter was governor of GA. Hillary has been a senator since 2002 and first lady. Obama has been an illinois senator for several years. The only president we can say had extensive government experience was George H.W Bush. We can use what rational we want to make hillary or obama look strong or week. We say we are tired of inside the beltway bureaucrats yet when we get a fresh face we hold his lack of inside the beltway experience against him? Sounds like voters don't know what they want yet they know what they don't want which is none of the above. The voters are fickle. Bottom line is which is most committed to fix the problems the current administration has caused or neglected, not who has the best or worse sound bite about the other.

Posted by: gdavis4 | March 10, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I've been saying this for quite some time since raised. I did not vote for the Clinton's. We don't need someone like them acting like this. Obama did well this afternoon with his speech. Next time he should smack some sense into Hillary's brain and a slam dunk to make his point loud and clear....

Posted by: QuietStormX | March 10, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

In Ohio, Obama won "ONLY" 5 out of 88 counties. Those 5 Ohio counties account for the majority of the "BLACK" vote, the only group of voters Obama won

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the above comment: "By the way, I do wish Sen Obama would quit calling Sen Clinton a liar. It's inappropriate and short sighted", posted by zukermand, Obama never called her a liar, even though many of us correctly recognize that she is one. To her credit, she didn't get caught doing it under oath and being disbarred, like husband Bill. I think that's probably the experience she must be referring to in her 3am phone call ad.

Posted by: RCFillmore | March 10, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and Spitzer ticket, yeah that works.

Posted by: x32792 | March 10, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Rezko / Obama 08
Rezko / Obama 08
Rezko / Obama 08
Rezko / Obama 08
Rezko / Obama 08
Rezko / Obama 08

Slum Landlord and Drug Dealer 08
Slum Landlord and Drug Dealer 08
Slum Landlord and Drug Dealer 08
Slum Landlord and Drug Dealer 08
Slum Landlord and Drug Dealer 08
Slum Landlord and Drug Dealer 08

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

svreader,

Sen. Obama has not been indicted. He has not been arrested. He has not even been accused of any wrongdoing, except by childish supporters of Hillary Clinton such as yourself, who get their facts from other flakes (also like yourself) who post their conspiracy theories on the Internet, which last time I looked, was open to Obama supporters and sleazy Clinton operatives (such as yourself) alike.

Sorry, I think I'll wait for Sen. Obama to be served with more than innuendo, but with, oh, say, a subpoena (as were Clintons in Whitewater, Filegate, Travelgate, cattle futures, etc.), an indictment (Clinton impeachment), loss of his law license (Clinton lying under oath) or a conviction (plenty to pick from here).

Till then, have a nice day and go easy on the Prozac.

Posted by: rippermccord | March 10, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Barry HUSSIEN Obama is a MUSLIM

Barry HUSSIEN Obama is a MUSLIM

Barry HUSSIEN Obama is a MUSLIM

Barry HUSSIEN Obama is a MUSLIM

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

j_thinks --

What kind of a monsters are you and the other obama-nuts???

WATCH THE VIDEO!!!!

Obama screwed over the poor people who elected him in Chicago and left them to rot in slums.

Nobody with an ounce of integrity would support Obama knowing what he did.

You still haven't watched the video, have you???

Or does winning at all costs mean so much to you that you would want to elect a man who got rich and built his career on screwing the people of color who trusted him?

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Barry HUSSIEN Obama is a MUSLIM

Barry HUSSIEN Obama is a MUSLIM

Barry HUSSIEN Obama is a MUSLIM

Barry HUSSIEN Obama is a MUSLIM

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

When it comes to saying things that are not true, Obama takes the cake. For one thing, his claim not to have campaigned in Florida before the Primary is totally false.

The TRUTH is that Obama ran campaign ads on CABLE for thirty days, blanketed the State with what he later excused as ads that were part of a National Ad Buy, after running thru his usual litany of excuses:
"Didn't know": the ads were running, or they were considered "campaigning" or they could be blacked out for Florida.

And other than a quick reference by CNN to this gross violation of fair play, we never heard a thing, in spite of the facts, and to this day the media continue to promote the lie.
In spite of those ads, which should have given him an EDGE in Florida, he STILL lost.

So he whines about the results, which if the Press were being fair, would have included the FACT that Obama ran those ads, and frankly, should disqualify him from receiving ANY delegates.
But since its Obama and not Clinton who did this, the facts are not important.

And why are the Obama people working so hard not to accept ANY outcome which they do not win? Again, THEY ran ads, SHE didn't, and SHE won. He campaigned; ALL of you had to know it, and said NOTHING. Why are they entitled to a "do over"? Why does Obama continue to use phrases like "okey-doke" which is a "code" term in the Black community for a lie?

Al Sharpton is full of bogus information. The Florida Primary had LOCAL issues on the Ballot, as well as a Presidential selection. If voters chose to stay home and NOT VOTE on the local issues, that is their problem. This was NOT a single issue Primary. It was a State primary, with STATE issues, and ONE national issue. Again, we hear crying. Again, it's missing the point, and again, The Press, who knows better declines to present the WHOLE story. PLEASE, cut this out. All of you are playing with an election. If you must report, at least report the TRUTH, the objective TRUTH. That is your JOB.

The FACT is that Obama broke the "rules" Howard Dean set up in total disregard of the legal facts on the ground, namely, that the STATES, Michigan and Florida, had legally moved the Primary dates up, and the party system has no control over the legislature. Howard Dean keeps talking as if the Party System could have controlled this, or as if the GOP Governor and Legislature were innocent angels in this matter.

Is he kidding? When did Dr. Dean become "King" of the DNC, instead of just the "Manager"? Where was he when all this happened?

OBAMA whines too much, and is very good at deflecting the real questions about his lack of meat behind the salad of his so called program plans by calling for Clinton to release her WH diaries, etc. as if she could do that without Bush, (who of course will continue to "get to it" someday just to hurt her), and Tax documents that will only show that her husband has made a lot of money in the past 8 years, which is not a crime. Neither Clinton has broken any laws, nor have they been involved in any criminal action resulting in a Federal Indictment of a close supporter and friend. Yet THEY are portrayed as "negative" and "attacking" by daring to compare them selves to him in a favorable way? HEY! This is a Presidential campaign. PLEASE someone tell Obama to GROW UP.

On the other hand, we seem to have forgotten about the money connection to REZKO, since we never hear the press demanding to see Obama's financial documents from his 17 years of "friendship" with a known con man, or the letters he wrote for Rezko promoting him for getting the bid to do the rehabs that became slums, or the money list. Not just of REZKO donors, but EXELON donors. Why? Why won't he release them if he has nothing to hide? I bet the Press would be asking daily if it were Clinton who was all tied up to Rezko.

As far as his cry baby act about anything and everything Clinton or the NY Times, the Post, says about him, anything that questions his tale of the facts, or his affirmative action run for President, I am sick of it.

If he can't take THIS, he is just going to curl up in a fetal position when faced with the GOP 527 attack machine, which will NOT bother with the truth, and is not at all concerned with charges of "racism", a charge the Obama people throw around like rice at a wedding.

According to him, any story in any Newspaper, or any Blog, (few and far between tho they may be), or any magazine, let alone any issues the Clintons raise as a part of a standard campaign are "attacks." Is he kidding?

The Clinton "campaign" is leading both Democratic Votes and States. Obama has won small states that haven't voted Blue in the last 100 years, and there is no reason to think that they will change.

Let's take Wyoming: half a million registered voters, 59 thousand of them registered Democrats, out of which 7500 caucused, and Obama calls this a victory? Over what? If he got all 59,000 votes, 100% of them, he would not win the State. If he got all the Democratic votes, and 25% of the GOP voters, he still would not win. Yet the press doesn't talk about that, but calls that "another" win for Obama. Come on; let's stop the hype and hysteria. Count the votes that count, the States the Democrats can count on, and not the Ann Coulter/Rush Limbaugh GOP crossovers.

If Obama is handed the nomination he will loose against the GOP, who would love nothing better than to show the country that the DNC just can't get it done. I for one will not vote for him, because he is not running a clean campaign, he is a tool for Kennedy, Durbin and Kerry and is seriously NOT ready.

If you doubt this, go look in the mirror, and ask yourself, seriously, if Obama could have played the "name game" on the new Russian stand in, and hit the jackpot as Clinton did, and is that the reason she got that question? Don't you really know that Russert had a choice: ask Obama and let him look like Bush when he has no clue, or ask Clinton because she would know, and opted for the one least damaging to Obama?

In THIS year, with all the issues we face NOW, we need a President who really can take that crisis call and know what is at stake and what to do with it. Clinton is being generous when she or anyone else hints that he might be worthy of the VP spot, but now that Obama has turned it down, they are free to move on to another.

Think about THAT.

Posted by: suziefromatlanta | March 10, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I have reconsidered and Hillary is very wrong. He ISN'T worthy of being a VP. I hope she is just saying that to give him an out before his arse is deservedly kicked out of Pennsylvania like a snake oil salesman deserves.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 10, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Barry HUSSIEN Obama is a MUSLIM

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama's foriegn relations committee is not responsible for Afghanistan.

Posted by: johndinhouston | March 10, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

ermias.kifle - Quick get your gas can the rally is starting. And pull up your bib overalls and get that corn cob pipe out your gums, people will recognize you. And bring your pig, you know the one you love to grease up and cuddle with in the hay. Yippeeeee, deliverance is on, and its starring you.

Posted by: J_thinks | March 10, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

The Washington Times...I didn't know that was still in print Mooney.

Posted by: brian | March 10, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

jring2 wrote: He certainly isn't! And his Afro-American Islamic loyalties tell us he's no president either. Can you imagine a president who is unwilling to do the pledge of allegiance? Who is way more supportive of Islamists over Jewish or Christian? Shouldn't his loyalties be for the country he will need to take an oath to support?
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How many times does Senator Obama have to stand up and refute every single stupid racist and bigoted remark that morons like you keep drudging up? Where do you get this crap? Do us a favor and quit wasting everybody's time.

Posted by: lhummer | March 10, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

55% to 60% white vote
65% to 70% Asian vote
60% to 65% Latino Vote

She doesn't need the Black vote to win.
The Black Vote is OVERRATED.
May Blacks (men) can't vote, because of the "CRIME" problem


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Breaking News:-
Police seek two Obama supporters in UNC Student killing.

One of Obama supporter arrested for Auburn killing

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

It is shocking to see such disgusting comments on here.
The article is about Obama and the VP possibility--and what Obama has to say in response.

It's seems blatantly obvious that this is just a ploy for her be the presidential candidate.
You have her on one day, that he's all talk and no solutions, should be ashamed of himself,etc. and then turns around and says
she might have him as Vice President.

It's so lame on her part. It makes you wonder, is there a limit to how far she will go to be the presidential nominee.

Talk about lack of integrity--and she wonders why people view her as untrustworthy !!!

Posted by: noshecant | March 10, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

If they can still tolerate each other a more likely ticket would be Obama-Clinton: he the charismatic front man, she the experienced adviser.

Posted by: raschumacher | March 10, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton campaign is looking like a laughing stock today on this VP stuff...all I'm hearing is a bunch of folks making jokes about it!

I think BIll and Hill are both inhaling these days...and I think its glue.

I hope Bill wasn't hangin' with Spitzer lately. He better toss his cell phone quick!

Posted by: brian | March 10, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

A 2004 Pentagon report obtained by the Washington Times identified Auchi as a global arms dealer and Iraqi bagman, "who, behind the facade of legitimate business, served as Saddam Hussein's principle international financial manipulator and bagman."

The report states that "significant and credible evidence has been developed that Nadhmi Auchi has engaged in unlawful activities such as bribing "foreign governments and individuals prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom to turn opinion against the American-led mission to remove Saddam Hussein."

He also helped arrange for significant theft from the U.N. Oil-For-Food Program to smuggle weapons and dual-use technology into Iraq.

(My observation - perhaps there is more to Obama's being against the war in Iraq than now meets the eye.)

Yet, Auchi, . . . was somehow able to get permission to come to Chicago in 2004.

John Batchelor of Human Events says that in April, 2004, Auchi met with Rezko, Gov. Blagojeocih (sp.), State Senate Emil Jones, Jr., and reportedly then State Senator Obama, who'd just won the Democratic U. S. Senate nomination.

(Obama says he doesn't remember meeting with Auchi. How could Obama forget meeting one of the wealthiest men in the world, who was a world-wide political fixer and international criminal?)
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And, a reminder about Jones, the "Kingmaker," of the state legislature, who was also at that meeting, Jones appointed Obama as sponsor of virtually every high profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority and had spent years championing the bills, such as landmark racial profiling and videotaped confession legislation- yanked away by Jones and given to Obama. (To enhance Obama's political resume.)

State Senator Rickey Headon, the original sponsor complained at the time, "Barack didn't have to endure any of it (the beatings and insults and all the racial comments over the years from the nasty Republican committee chairman, yet, he (Obama) in the end got the credit."
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www.borderfirereport.net, Border Fire Report dated March 8, 2008, "Obama Has Some Serious Explaining to Do," by Tim Fitton.

Snippits of the article are as follows:

According to federal authorities, Auchi wired $3.5 million to Rezko, "Mr. Obama's bagman," as the London Times calls him, approximately one month before the suspicious land transaction.

The Times raised the question as to whether or not "funds from Nadhmi Auchi . . helped Mr. Obama buy his mock Georgian mansion in Chicago."

The news is also buzzing this week about Obama's friendship with domestic terrorist, William Ayers.

Ayers is a founding member of the terrorist group, the Weathermen Underground who evaded police and the FBI for ten years in the 70's and 80's while murdering police officers and bombing high profile buildings such as the U. S. Capitol and the Pentagon. . . . On of all days, 9/11/2001, Ayers told the NY Times "I don't regret setting bombs - I feel we didn't do enough.

What is Ayers doing today? What else. He's a college professor for the University of Illinois at Chicago.

Moreover, as recently as 2002, Ayers also served with Barack Obama on the board of the non-profit Woods Foundation, which, reportedly gave $75,000 in grants in 2001 and 2002 to the Arab-American Action Network, a radical organization with terrorist ties.

This piece reports that Ayers and his terrorist wife hosted an intimate political affair for Obama.

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Also, Obama was not dubbed with the President of the Harvard Law Review title, he campaigned to get it, and as an author on CSPAN2 wrote a book about Obama, said that Obama told conservatives what they wanted to hear, and liberals what they wanted to hear, to get that title. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 10, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I figured I was above all of the juvenile commenting - but this portion of the above comment struck a nerve:

Obama is not a nice guy. His murky associations with Rezko:
A funky land deal - if we disqualified politicians in this country on that, your neighbors MIGHT be able to run for President.

Rev. Wright:
He goes to the guy's church - what's murky about that?

Farrakun:
He's publically denounced the guy, the aren't part of the same political factions, what more do you want?

the Weathermen: He knows one guy that's a former Weatherman who's now a community activist in Chicago. Big deal.

Kadhmi Auchi (Saddam Hussein's sidekick)
WHAT?
Michelle saying she has never been proud of this country
She never said that - I understand where she is coming from, as it relates to the excitement that her husband's campaign has generated.

Obama refusing to wear a flag pin on his lapel:

What, now we have jewlery tests for who can be president - it's a shallow display of patriotism, and besides all the best men's magazines advise against it as a fashion statement.

Crap, at least come up with some facts when you make damning accusations.

Posted by: johndinhouston | March 10, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Glad he declined in such an arrogant manner. Now she can run with someone who really does want to serve our country, not just themselves. When she picks someone else, she won't have to deal with a backlash from his "supporters" since he's now on the record as saying he does not want to.

Posted by: joep1 | March 10, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters on these boards are turning out to be either cultists or total hypocrites.

Obama screwed over the poor people who elected him in Chicago and left them to rot in slums.

Nobody with an ounce of integrity would support Obama knowing what he did.

Obama's not going to be elected to anything now that the truth about how he totally shafted the last group of people who made the mistake of trusting him.

You haven't watched the video, have you?

I thought so.

Its over for Obama.

He's never going to be President.

He has a history and a paper trail, and he'll be lucky not to wind up in jail.

The truth about the real Obama is coming out and its not pretty.

He's a really bad guy who only cares about himself.

He's doesn't deserve support from anyone.

How could anyone even THINK of supporting a man who did what Obama did in Chicago to the poor people who made the mistake of trusting him and were foolish enough to buy his sales pitch and elect him???

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the real Obama is a really bad guy

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Sen SANJAYA, TIME is UP
Sen SANJAYA, TIME is UP
Sen SANJAYA, TIME is UP
Sen SANJAYA, TIME is UP
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politi

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

ermias.kifle:

Where do you get your evidence? Limbaugh?

Obama is not, and never has been, a Muslim. His name is an African tribal name. His stepfather was from Indonesia. Barack lived in Indonesia for a short while. He's also lived in Hawaii. And California. And Illinois.

Barack Obama is and has been a Christian, not that any of this should matter.

Take your ignorance and bigotry elsewhere.

Posted by: VoiceofReason5 | March 10, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

One more thing, it seems the Clinton supporters are just like the candidate, nasty! You make the most wild accusations, you sound like her and her campaigners when they talk about the Florida and Michigan primaries and you even steal from the Senator Obama campaign like she does, "Yes we will!" What the heck is that, and your CANDIDATE accused him of plagarism! Lets face it, any one with common sense sees you all for what you are, frighten people who know the end of the campaign road is near. So you will say and do anything to distract citizens who are concerned about real issues. Some of you have commented that Senator Obama is not ready for Vice President. I agree. He is ready to be the President. Senator Clinton is a typical politician. If you elect her, you will get what you deserve.

By-the-way, I encourage them to do a re-vote in Florida and Michigan. Because after she only wins 50-55% of the vote and Senator Obama wins 40-45% of the vote, it will be a wash any way, ha ha! Keep pushing it, please, do the country a favor so we can shut you all up!!!! If she cared so much for this great nation, why does she ignore the little guys, the Iowas, the Wyomings, the Mississipis, the Vermonts, the Oklahomas, the Marylands, West Virginia, Colorado, Nebraska, the Indianas? Why does she discard South Carolina, North Carolina, Missouri and Virginia just to name a few? Cause she is all about herself, self centered and selfish.

What woman would stay with a man who has repeatedly cheated on her in the public? One who has a PERSONAL agenda. A real woman would get out of the lime light and stop bringing shame upon herself, real woman. You are not voting for the first woman President of the U.S., she has yet to enter the Presidential race.

Posted by: ajackson3 | March 10, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I do not like Obama's lack of humility, his big ego and his swagger. Plain and simple, it masks inferior job skills and a lack of understanding of just what the office of the Presidency is.

It is not a party.

it is life and death decisions and he is just not ready.

Sorry, bye,

Posted by: lndlouis | March 10, 2008 04:01 PM

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I like Obama's confidence, verve and nerve with swag -- it takes that kind of moxie to take on and whip up on a political juggernaut like the Clintons, who have brand name recognition, much money in the till (until they blew it all), the spouse as former POTUS stumping and the blessing of the party establishment and majordomos. So Obama has put them to good use.

Btw, zukermand, Hillary is a LIAR!

Posted by: meldupree | March 10, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News:-
Police seek two Obama supporters in UNC Student killing.

One of Obama supporter arrested for Auburn killing

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

also svreader, those are the EXACT posts from your earlier posts elsewhere, you are still rehashing and reposting you preset garb all over the place. I am now convinced, regardless of what you say you are GOP, just admit it - and be proud of it. You are transparent shill of division from within - or at least that is the illusion you want created.

Posted by: J_thinks | March 10, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama Messiah said: "You all know the okey-dokey, when someone's trying to bamboozle you, when they're trying to hoodwink you?" Obama said to the crowd at the Mississippi University for Women. "You can't say that, 'He's not ready on day one unless he's willing to be your vice president, then he's ready on day one.'"
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The okey-dokey??? What the hell's is he talking about? How many more dopey slang terms can he say in one paragraph? Hoodwink? Bamboozle? Do Mississippians talk that way? Apparently the drones at the rally do, but let's hope the rest aren't that pathetically stupid. He's still hitting the one-note: judgment. Which he has no record of having. Sure he could be VP. I'm sure Hillary has no plans to croak on Day 1. Yeesh...this guy is such a shmuck.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 10, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama completely failed to do his job following up on slum repairs that cost the government $100M and poor people of all colors suffered and died because of him.

Its not just about Obama's connection with Rezko.

Its about Obama's failure to do his job following up on the repairs.

Obama screwed over the poor people who elected him in Chicago and left them to rot in slums.

Nobody with an ounce of integrity would support Obama knowing what he did.

Obama's not going to be elected to anything now that the truth about how he totally shafted the last group of people who made the mistake of trusting him.

You haven't watched the video, have you?

I thought so.

Its over for Obama.

He's never going to be President.

He has a history and a paper trail, and he'll be lucky not to wind up in jail.

The truth about the real Obama is coming out and its not pretty.

He's a really bad guy who only cares about himself.

He's doesn't deserve support from anyone.

How could anyone even THINK of supporting a man who did what Obama did in Chicago to the poor people who made the mistake of trusting him and were foolish enough to buy his sales pitch and elect him???

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the real Obama is a really bad guy

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Sen SANJAYA, TIME is UP
Sen SANJAYA, TIME is UP
Sen SANJAYA, TIME is UP
Sen SANJAYA, TIME is UP
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politi

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Look out folks. The Clintons are trying to sell the Brooklyn Bridge. They cooked up this idea somewhere at 3:00AM

Posted by: mngare | March 10, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

By the way: I find extremely embarassing how most reknown newspapers could not manage to recall the connection with Sen. Clinton. I checked New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, MSNBC,...
Let's say the plain truth, I do not care too much who he endorsed and from my perspective this should not have much to do with the democratic primaries. Still I recall that for much less newspapers made their best to crucify Sen. Obama before the primaries in Ohio and Texas, pumping up a story at a time where it was largely not proven and turned out to be much less that claimed. Well, nothing more to comment, I just leave you with a comment posted on The Washington Post and two adresses that may help to link the proud with which Sen. Clinton welcomes everyone which steps to her side in her quest for power.

Everyone has her/his own brain and can draw conclusions or decide to ignore. Up to you.

Cheers from Europe :-)

Posted by: jmbarrie | March 10, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News:-
Police seek two Obama supporters in UNC Student killing.

One of Obama supporter arrested for Auburn killing

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I am a 45 year old caucasian woman. Hillary Clinton spoke at my commencement from Grad School back in the 1990s. I voted for Bill. Twice. I once admired Hillary.

I think her old-school negative, manipulative campaign tactics are exactly what is wrong with Washington, and as a result, is why our nation such a mess.

It is time for new vision and new, clear judgement in the White House.

I support Obama.

Posted by: VoiceofReason5 | March 10, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Clinton can kindly offer the VP slot to NY Governor Eliot! I think the three of you (Bill, Hill, & Eliot) will work very well in the White House.

Posted by: tintin08 | March 10, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Smear Mongers posting heavy on this link. Gee, I guess Hillary finally figured out how to use the internet after all. You go girl, you blame Obama for running a say anything, do anything campaign. Better America should go down the toilet than you not get the nomination.

Posted by: x32792 | March 10, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I think this country does not deserve Sen Obama for president. He is too good a human being for any of you. Unfortunately he loves this country too much, even if it kills him...which most probably will(big pun intended)if he were to be elected, which most probably he won't since there is no democracy to begin with. As for Hillarious what a disgrace of a woman. Haven't the U.S been disgrace enough? Wasn't McCain born in Panama? I thought presidents need to be born in U.S. Oh waith there are always exceptions.

Posted by: hhhhora | March 10, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Barack HUSSIEN Obama IS a MUSLIM

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

ermias.kifle behind 9/11 attacks

Posted by: rippermccord | March 10, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

rippercord --

You're in denial. Watch the Video.

Obama let the people who elected him in Chicago rot in slums when he was supposed to get them decent housing and he funneled $100M to his friend Rezko.

It was Obama's responsibility to make sure his voters got what they paid for.

He didn't do his job.

He didn't care what happened to them.

He only cared about himself.

Does winning the primaries mean so much to Obama's groupies that they abandon all principle?

How can they even THINK of supporting a man who did what Obama did in Chicago to the poorest of the poor who elected him???

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the real Obama is a really bad guy

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

jainpa,

I'm glad someone else has noticed the persistent lack of civility from the Obama machine's operatives. I ought to be used to their crudeness by now, but they continue to shock me. When MSNBC's David Shuster was disciplined for referring to the "pimping" of Chelsea Clinton, hundreds of Obama's minions jumped on board across the internet to defend Shuster's right to slander Hillary Clinton and her family. Most recently,Obama's well-oiled machine charged en masse to the defense of Samantha Powers saying she had the right to call Hillary Clinton abusive names, while simultaneously praising this obvious amateur in foreign affairs as "brilliant."

But then these same adolescent troops that swarm to the defense of the pied piper also think their leader is "brilliant," - that's the same guy who chairs a senate foreign affairs subcommittee and hasn't held a single oversight hearing on Afghanistan.

The reality is that Barack Obama is not qualified to be the president of the United States. It's possible that with some intense coaching to bring him up to speed, he could serve as an apprentice vice-president where he could learn from his superiors. But I don't favor the idea.

Posted by: ichief | March 10, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse


The Clinton's offer of the VPOTUS to Obama reminds me of their land offers to the retired senior citizens that were duped during Whitewater - another Big RIPOFF.

Posted by: valskeet | March 10, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Barack HUSSIEN Obama IS a MUSLIM

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

wow - svreader you are everywhere, is your mom not home yet to drive you to teh store to cahs your GOP paycheck for your internet work? You and iowatreasures are sure earning your money on the wapo boards, I have to congratulate you both, you are truly doing one helluva job! You should be commended.

So much fervor coming from that basement, how late do you stay up at night with this crap. What will you do with ALL your free time after teh election? Oh I forgto, its back to producing crying youtube videos. Good luck.

Posted by: J_thinks | March 10, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Finally! Blast her! How could she keep beratting you like that? Sen. Obama is leading Sen. Clinton in all aspects - leadership capabilities, style, polls, delegates, states won, popular vote - and yet Clinton thinks she can fool us by "offering" Obama the VP- Shame on you Sen. Clinton!. Just who do you take us for? Sen. Clinton and her campaign thinks American are so stupid they can easily manipulate us and brainwash our minds? We ain't buying what you're selling!

Posted by: tintin08 | March 10, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Someone should ask Hillary if she'll support Obama if he's the nominee, and not let her worm out of an answer.

Posted by: jgormandc | March 10, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama IS a MUSLIM

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

The audacity of offering Obama the Vice Presidency when she lags behind him in the primaries could lead one could think that Clinton believes she is entitled to a handicap. Obama can't just beat her. He must beat her by a much more significant margin to justify his victory.

Posted by: paulinparadise | March 10, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama's position is hardly surprising. There is no reason for him to encourage talk of second place as long as he has a good chance of winning first place. Hillary Clinton's target for this talk is not Obama. It is the superdelegates. The likely reality is that they will decide the nominee. Those who expect them to automatically endorse the candiate with the highest national delegate count should do some more thinking. They are more likely to be worried about who their particular constituents favored. They are also very likely to be worried about the ticket that has the best chance of winning. If the party decides it is Hillary Clinton for President and Barack Obama for Vice President, I suspect Obama would come around. It remains to be seen how much traction this idea will gain. But it is one of the more promising ways to get the Democrats out of their current mess.

Posted by: dnjake | March 10, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Spitzer with Clinton as president of vice....

Posted by: ratl | March 10, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Funny, how the Obama supporters actually comment on the current posted article, but the Clintonistas can only shout about Rezko, forgetting his donations to the Clintons. Ah well, if you can't win on pertinent points, go for the kneecaps.

And the Clintonistas wonder why the majority of people in this country (that's virtually every Republican and independent PLUS a good chunk of the winning Obama popular vote) actually despise the Clintons. As if there's some mystery to it.

Folks, you can't buy Kool-Aid THAT strong at ANY Obama store.

Posted by: rippermccord | March 10, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

John McCain and I have a lifetime of experience....Barack has a speech...a speech that just qualifies him to be my VP...what a bonehead!

Posted by: brian | March 10, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

The problem is that the Obama his supporters are in love with is a fantasy.

The real Obama is nothing more than a "super-salesman"

The problem with "super-salesmen" is that they need to be managed, and managed on a short leash, otherwise the screw-up everthing and everyone in sight.

Supersalesmen make lousy CEO's, and lousy leaders in general.

Obama talks about judgement, but he showed poor judgement when he used hard drugs, poor judgement when he got involved with Rezko, poor judgement when he failed to pay attention to his job in Chicago and let the people who voted for him rot in slums and poor judgement when he focused his campaign on destroying the positive legacy of Bill Clinton.

Obama is dangerous because of his incompetence, his short attention span, and his temper.

When supersalesmen fail, they do it in a spectactular fashion and leave "big smoking holes in the ground" as we like to say out here in Silicon Valley.

Because of the possibility of making great fortunes we attract a lot of very impressive people.

I've seen lots of super-salesman Obama types over the years and they always leave disaster in their wake unless they have a very strong boss closely managing them.

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Not to sound completely ignorant, but after having scrolled through a bunch of useless, racist screed from ermias.kifle, I have to ask -- who is Sanjaya?

Posted by: mnteng | March 10, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Tom Brady just pulled a "Billary". He offered to take Eli with HIM to Disney world...these guys just added a new term to our pop culture...just like a "Munson" from Kigpin!

These guys should go into politics!

Posted by: brian | March 10, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Beware the Hag From Hell, BO! The husband's offensive proposition is as callous to the front-runner as their white-trash noblesse-oblige references were in S. Carolina! Beware also the temptation to have Ankleless Annie for VP on YOUR ticket - if that happens and the ticket wins, expect a Vince Foster moment!

Posted by: sawargos | March 10, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News:-
Police seek two Obama supporters in UNC Student killing.

One of Obama supporter arrested for Auburn killing

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

jainpa, Obama camp hateful and divisive? Your comments should more correctly be applied to the Clinton camp which has played the Race Card, Gender Card, Rice v Poor Card, the Religious Card and been a Fear Monger.

Posted by: x32792 | March 10, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama Supporters --

Obama shafted the poorest of the poor and funneled $100M of taxpayer money to his buddy Rezko and you think its that's just fine????

You really are a cult!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Now if Hillary is so generous to offer the prized VP post to Obama, what is Bill going to do? Didn't the Hillary campaign start with the slogan as two for the price of one, meaning Bill and Hillary. Now how generous of the Clintons to sweeten the deal for the american people by offering three for the price of one by including Obama.

What a bunch of loonies the Clintons are. They are trying to steal Obama's votes and fans in broad daylight.

Hillary's motto: Keep your friends close and enemies closer. If you can't beat them, toss them the veep job and see whether they bite.

The funny thing is nobody asked the Clintons whether they can have both Hillary and Obama. Hillary just planted it herself. Even her normal plants did not want to ask her that question. Now Bill with his waging finger and angry face and his hair all looking like he just dusted it with some white powder is so arrogant to suggest a Clinton/Obama ticket, not a Obama/Clinton ticket. In reality what Bill meant to say was a Clinton/Clinton/Obama ticket. A VVP at best for the front runner in the game.

Posted by: JohnMcCormick | March 10, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

LOL, Obasama admits to half of the truth of the matter, and the posts run wild!

Imagine the activity if the pair of Junior Senators admitted to not even having learned that Job yet, But, they decided to keep trying! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 10, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama has a history of deception.

Obama took "Change" and "Hope" from Bill Clinton's campaign. (Sounded good to Obama, why not use it?)

Obama took "Yes we can," from the migrant farmworkers in California when RFK and Cezar Chavez were fighting for the now United Farm Workers Union (which now endorses Hillary.)

Obama borrowed his charismatic, inspirational speech, "Just Words," word-for-word from Patricks speech a few years ago. (So compassionately given, as if they were words from his own heart and soul), but "Just borrowed," or "Just lifted,") What's a few words?

Obama took credit for high profile legislation in Illinois, when the political "kingmaker" Jones, of the Senate took bills that other lawmakers had worked on, sometimes for years, and gave them to Obama, with his name on them, to enhance his political resume.
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Obama is not a nice guy. His murky associations with Rezko, Rev. Wright, Farrakun, the Weathermen, Kadhmi Auchi (Saddam Hussein's sidekick), and with Michelle saying she has never been proud of this country her whole entire adult life, and Obama refusing to wear a flag pin on his lapel, and Obama's stance against the war in Iraq that matches -
"Nadhmi Auchi has engaged in unlawful activities such as bribing "foreign governments and individuals prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom to turn opinion against the American-led mission to remove Saddam Hussein."
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Read more, learn more, vote for a stable, steady influence - Hillary Clinton.

The Clinton's enjoy a 70% approval rating among Democrates. 2/3 of the Democrats polled said they wanted Hillary to continue on in this race, and over 52% of actual Democrats voted for Hillary this election cycle. She has outdone Obama in every state among actual Democratic voters except Illinois and New Mexico.

Since this is a primary to elect a Democratic nominee, I would think those statistics would matter. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 10, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

The forum must be very biased, or otherwise I do not see any chance for a united democratic party. The fact is, neither of the two major parties in this country represents the main stream, mid-class America. Republicans being the party of super rich and the ultra conservative southerners, and dem party of blacks and pot smoking liberals and intellectual ideologues. It is high time for a political party in the middle.

Posted by: work2play | March 10, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

re. "People who read this blog are no better educated than the general population. There are some people who think Barack Obama is a Muslim.

Barack Obama isn't a Muslim-- he actually belongs to the United Church of Christ."

Yes - what is it with the recently large number of bigots and fear mongers now posting on the WAPO?

Was the WAPO recently purchased by FOX or what?

Posted by: VoiceofReason5 | March 10, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

That's OK, now Howard Wolfson is saying Obama's not qualified to be VP to HRC: http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_spokesman_declares_oba.html

Apparently, in the HRC campaign, the right hand doesn't know who the left hand is stabbing.

Posted by: kidvidkid | March 10, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News:-
Police seek two Obama supporters in UNC Student killing.

One of Obama supporter arrested for Auburn killing

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

You Hillary-supporters are delusional or just plain dumb. Hillary and John Edwards have less total elected office experience than Obama. Using the inept logic of many Hillary-supporters, then Laura Bush has more experience than Obama, John Edwards, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Fred Thompson, Brownback, and Kucinich!

Posted by: ajtiger92 | March 10, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama isn't a Muslim

Posted by: lieb666 | March 10, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama isn't a Muslim

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Barack Obama isn't a Muslim

Posted by: lieb666 | March 10, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama isn't a Muslim

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Barack Obama isn't a Muslim

Posted by: lieb666 | March 10, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama isn't a Muslim

Posted by: lieb666 | March 10, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama isn't a Muslim

Posted by: lieb666 | March 10, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama isn't a Muslim

Posted by: lieb666 | March 10, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama isn't a Muslim

Posted by: lieb666 | March 10, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama isn't a Muslim

Posted by: lieb666 | March 10, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama isn't a Muslim

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Barack Obama isn't a Muslim

Posted by: lieb666 | March 10, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Anybody know if we have a date for this case?

"The complaint says Bill Clinton promised to promote Paul's Internet entertainment company, Stan Lee Media, in exchange for stock, cash options and massive contributions to his wife's 2000 Senate campaign. Paul contends he was directed by the Clintons and Democratic Party leaders to produce, pay for and then join them in lying about footing the bill for an August 2000 Hollywood gala and fundraiser."

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57009

Posted by: dogsbestfriend | March 10, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

to ermias.kifle:

Dude, take a pill or something. I mean really!!!

Posted by: BenThere | March 10, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News:-
Ploice seek two Obama supporters in UNC Student killing.

One of Obama supporter arrested for Auburn killing

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama exudes class, intelligence and the ability to know when and how hard to strike back.

He will be our first...ninja president.

I can't wait to vote for him in the North Carolina primary and then again in November.

In the unlikely event she becomes the nominee, I'd like to recommend Mike Nifong as Hillary's running mate. Anything to get that guy out of Durham.

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | March 10, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

To the Hillary supporters who are posting that Obama supporters are acting too angry and/or whiney in light of Clinton's so-called VP offer to Obama:

May I remind you that just a couple of short weeks ago most Clintonites were enraged and full of complaints about Hillarys "unfair treatment by the press?" Seemed there was a lot of vitriol and vocal unhappyness coming from the Clinton camp for quite a while.

Now that she's has the press firmly under her thumb, and now that she's pummeled Obama with a lot of typical political negativity and hypocracy, you cannot blame Obama supporters for speaking out. This is what happens when one is treated with such arrogance and contempt.

Too bad the Clintons have done such a good job dividing the Democratic Party. The only reason they've suggested their Clinton-Obama ticket is because they have realized that their divisive tactics have permanently lost them the majority of Democratic voters necessary to win the nomination. It's just one more manipulative ploy at grabbing the nomination. That's all it is. Nothing more.

Let's move on to the high road.

Go Obama!

Posted by: VoiceofReason5 | March 10, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

To the Hillary supporters who are posting that Obama supporters are acting too angry and/or whiney in light of Clinton's so-called VP offer to Obama:

May I remind you that just a couple of short weeks ago most Clintonites were enraged and full of complaints about Hillarys "unfair treatment by the press?" Seemed there was a lot of vitriol and vocal unhappyness coming from the Clinton camp for quite a while.

Now that she's has the press firmly under her thumb, and now that she's pummeled Obama with a lot of typical political negativity and hypocracy, you cannot blame Obama supporters for speaking out. This is what happens when one is treated with such arrogance and contempt.

Too bad the Clintons have done such a good job dividing the Democratic Party. The only reason they've suggested their Clinton-Obama ticket is because they have realized that their divisive tactics have permanently lost them the majority of Democratic voters necessary to win the nomination. It's just one more manipulative ploy at grabbing the nomination. That's all it is. Nothing more.

Let's move on to the high road.

Go Obama!

Posted by: VoiceofReason5 | March 10, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Brinkley, The Michigan Daily - ". . a few years ago, Obama was the hotshot politician in Chicago - and Richard Daley was in the middle of a re-election campaign.
Obama's people came to Mayor Daley and threatened to run Obama agsinst Daley unless he pledged financial support for Obama's presidential campaign.

Then the two appeared in public - best friends."
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Andy Martin, Contrarian Commentary, wrote:

"The Chicago media has sold the nation the biggest pig-in-the-poke in recent political history.

They have sold Obama as the great savior,
the Teflon "Hope," when Obama is merely just another Sammy Glick, who challenged the Chicago Democratic Machine until he got his own slice of the pie, and then quietly slept with Emil Jones and the other slimy machine hacks in the Party.

The ultimate twist of fate: Obama brags about opposing the war, then has his own house partially financed by someone who was . . . a Saddam Hussein stooge . . . it appears to have helped finance the purchase of the Obama "compound" in Chicago.

The Pentagon calls Auchi a "bagman" who laundered money for Saddam Hussein.
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Somewhere else, I read that Auchi wired 3.5 million dollars to the financially strapped Rezko in Chicago less than a month before the Obama-Rezko purchases.
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Also, that Nadhmi Auchi is an Iraqi billionaire who lives in London. Auchi was involved with Saddam Hussein, in 1959 conspiring to kill the then Prime Minister of Iraq.
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This news is sad and disappointing, indeed, for the American people - no matter what political persuasion.

How close have we come to seriously having a "roll of the dice," in the White House.
It is alarming - and the whole story hasn't even been told yet. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 10, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

People who read this blog are no better educated than the general population. There are some people who think Barack Obama is a Muslim.

Barack Obama isn't a Muslim-- he actually belongs to the United Church of Christ.

Posted by: lieb666 | March 10, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is not qualified as commander in chief.

Hillary is a VP choice for McCain.

Hillary is a war monger.

Hillary is a fear monger.

Hillary will split the nation just as George Bush has.

America will forever split.

Democrats will forever be without power.

Hillary is not qualfied.

Obama is more than qualified to be Commander in Chief. Hillary is not.

Posted by: pmcsnim | March 10, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Will someone please explain to Obamarosa that he has no experience. Oh, yeah, wait, the state legislature. That's a perfect background for dealing with world leaders and executing a sound foreign pollicy. Hamming it up on the South side of Chicago in local politics... I guess that's all the foreign policy you need to sit down with other world leaders at the G8 and really make a difference. Yes we can! - manipulate the public.

Posted by: nicehall | March 10, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse


You might be guilty of using POOR JUDGEMENT if you are a Democrat trying to be the POTUS and you accuse your Democrat rival as being unqualified to fill that post, but you turn around and offer him or her a spot as the VPOTUS.

Posted by: valskeet | March 10, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh...yeah...large states are just the ones Hillary won...the rest don't matter...that's what the founding fathers wanted right?

This is a democracy and a republic comprised of 50 states! This is just a shell game to Hillary and her rich aristocratic lot...keep donating to Mark Penn's retirement account.

Those folks in IL hate Obama so much that they gave Hastert's Republican seat to the Dems after he campaigned...power of hope and his ability to move the county forward in action.

Posted by: brian | March 10, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Well of course! After all, Obama thinks he's just too good to spend more than five minutes actually serving his constituancy in Congress, so why shouldn't he also feel he's too good for the lowly position of Vice President!

Maybe the celestial choirs told him so?

Or maybe it was that wife of his.

Posted by: hyperlexis | March 10, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

"Obama: I'm No V.P."

He certainly isn't! And his Afro-American Islamic loyalties tell us he's no president either. Can you imagine a president who is unwilling to do the pledge of allegiance? Who is way more supportive of Islamists over Jewish or Christian? Shouldn't his loyalties be for the country he will need to take an oath to support?

What this does tell us though is "How presidential is Clinton if she is willing to suggest this guy should be a VP?" It is the one substantial point I've ever heard Oboma make.


I agree with this comment. Anyone that lives in the US and wants to represent and lead this country should have honor for the flag and the bible. I fear that he feels to closely connected to ISLAM and I fear having a terrorist in the White House.

Posted by: rjj900s | March 10, 2008 04:08 PM


I don't recall Obama stumping for the "stupid people" vote so you can keep your vote. I'm sure WcCain could use your vote since he won't be getting much of the "smart people" vote.

Posted by: RightDownTheMiddle | March 10, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama Supporters --

Obama shafted the poorest of the poor and funneled $100M of taxpayer money to his buddy Rezko and you think its that's just fine.

You really are a cult!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

What will it be folks? "The Will...." or "The Hill"?

Posted by: changingfaces | March 10, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

In Ohio, Obama won "ONLY" 5 out of 88 counties. Those 5 Ohio counties account for the majority of the "BLACK" vote, the only group of voters Obama won

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 04:31 PM

Okay. What about Iowa, or Idaho, or Vermont, or Wyoming or Washington? I'm sure I'm forgetting some primarily white states but Obama could not have won any of these states without getting LOTS of white voters.

Why is it the Clinton supporters must bring up Obama's race when it's clear that Obama's supporters are voting for the best PERSON, regardless of race?

Posted by: progressivebulldog | March 10, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Exactly what is the Iran Republican Guard? Did you mean the Iran REVOLUTIONARY Guard?

Posted by: mellowyellow | March 10, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Sen Hussien SANJAYA, meet me in PA

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton's biggest weakness is that she continues running the camapaign like she's entitled to the presidency. It will be a moot point if Obama wins the nomination, but if Hillary wins, she'll have great difficult gaining supporters other than those who already support her.

Posted by: lieb666 | March 10, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I hope Hillary chooses a fresh, new face, without all the Rezko, REv. Wright, Auchi (Saddam Hussein's side kick and money launderer), Trinity Church, Ayers (The weathermen who blew up the Pentagon and the Capitol in the 70's and 80's.),

Jones, of the Illinois State Legislature who gave Obama high-profile bills to Obama that belonged to other lawmakers, in order to enhance Obama's political resume, Farrakun, and Michelle's cozying up to the Black Panthers, and all the unknown baggage that Obama has.

Bayh would be great, or the Mayor of Los Angeles - He is more charismatic, and a lot more down to earth than Obama. Both Bayh and the Mayer are great, and I am sure there are others.

On Obama's side, Tom Dashle has proven he is a biased, unfair person. Telling the media Bill Clinton needs to be "muzzled," and Clyburne saying Bill Clinton needs to "chill out."

And the back drop of all the people Obama rails about - the same old politicians and people doing the same old thing, expecting different results - Kerry, Kennedy, Wolf blitzer, Carl Bernstein, Big Dick Morris, Andrea Mitchell, Suzann Malveaux (talking on her blackberry to the Obama camp to hear their talking points) while she is giving a report about Hillary's campaign, Tim Russert and we can't forget "shiver up the leg," Chris Matthews.

WE DO NEED A CHANGE - FROM OBAMA and his political "fixing" tactics that he learned while sharpening his teeth on Chicago down and dirty politics. gw.
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Comment on: Obama Accuses Clinton of Deception at 3/10/2008 10:50 AM EDT
Someone made me think of an interesting point.

When Barack Obama filed his tax return, of which we have only seen the front page, did he file jointly with Michelle - will we get to see her financial doings also, such as her work with a subsidiary of Wal-Mart, until Barack started bad-mouthing Hillary about Wal-Mart, and then Michelle suddenly quit that $57,000 post. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 10, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons' "offer" of the VP job to Obama was more of the same cynical deceit the couple have always practiced. By doing it, they were hoping for three things: 1) to peel off voters still on the fence between them, 2) to assign Obama a less-than-presidential public image, and 3) to make it easier for both pledged delegates and super delegates to come her way.

That the Clintons would taunt the popular hope for party unity with disingenuous theatrics is another measure of their egocentric view of the universe.

That they would presume to offer a place on a ticket that Obama will likely head is more sleazy politics.

That they would use false hope to lure super delegates and even pledged delegates (she describes them all as uncommitted in the current Newsweek) illustrates their extreme relativistic morality.

Sincere or not, the "offer" demonstrate a cold desperation running down their wickedly bent spines.

Posted by: rippermccord | March 10, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

"Sometimes, when I look at comments posted by the Obama people, I think they should all be issued pacifiers."

--

Sometimes, when I look at the Clinton people at her rallies, I think they should all be issued canes and walkers.

Posted by: fairbalanced | March 10, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Sen SANJAYA, TIME is UP
Sen SANJAYA, TIME is UP
Sen SANJAYA, TIME is UP
Sen SANJAYA, TIME is UP
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politi

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

About FLAG:

Its better not to wear than using it like Bill used it to wipe "IT" CLEAN After his Scandal. Shame to us.

Posted by: kkinbox | March 10, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Once again, Mr Barack Obama's arrogance and sense of invincibility will be his demise.

Posted by: poh123 | March 10, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

blog,blog,blog,blog,blog,blog,blog,blog,.....

get a JOB

Posted by: craigslsst | March 10, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Rezko / Obama 08
Rezko / Obama 08
Rezko / Obama 08
Rezko / Obama 08
Rezko / Obama 08
Rezko / Obama 08

Slum Landlord and Drug Dealer 08
Slum Landlord and Drug Dealer 08
Slum Landlord and Drug Dealer 08
Slum Landlord and Drug Dealer 08
Slum Landlord and Drug Dealer 08
Slum Landlord and Drug Dealer 08

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

""Obama: I'm No V.P."

He certainly isn't! And his Afro-American Islamic loyalties tell us he's no president either. Can you imagine a president who is unwilling to do the pledge of allegiance? Who is way more supportive of Islamists over Jewish or Christian? Shouldn't his loyalties be for the country he will need to take an oath to support?"

Where do you people get this stuff? From a Klu Klux Klan, Arian Nation website? You got to be kidding me. It is frightening that people like this exists in this world. I would like to ask the poster of this garbage if he ever served in America's Armed Forces? You people tend to spew out this mess but you never raised your hand to sware to defend the constitution of these United States of America. You need to stop coming on public message boards and blogs with this crap. Stick to your own, ignorant kind. It is not need for this. If you want to stir up what people has done dirt to which people, get ready, because I can load your monkey . . . up!!! Ridiculous! How do you feel real, sane people think of you?

Posted by: ajackson3 | March 10, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Everything the candidates do now is obviously strategic - at least everything HRC does. Her strategy of late: deride the candidate who is beating her in delegates, states and votes by suggesting that she might choose him as her little running mate. "I call Dorothy. You can play Toto." REALLY offensive if you ask me. (Plus, with Bill, three would be a crowd, and I don't think there's a third violin section in any orchestra.) If HRC wins the nomination, BO should run as an independent. He would certainly win. (Remember Lieberman in Connecticut two years ago?)

Posted by: Virginian | March 10, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Michelle is to homley for the WHITE HOUSE

Another angry Black girl

Obama is a MUSLIM for WHITE HOUSE

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama Supporters --

Obama shafted the poorest of the poor and funneled $100M of taxpayer money to his buddy Rezko and you think its that's just fine.

You really are a cult..

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I think you should call your country; Unite Kingdom of America instead of USA. Why? Two families have been ruling your country for the last two decades and apparently this type of ruling will go on ...BUSH .. CLINTON .. BUSH .. CLINTON .. BUSH .... and you will see.

Posted by: seankorda | March 10, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Of course, Clintons should be pressed to release tax returns, donors lists, etc. just after of even before April 15. Then Mrs. Clinton's final step down and out of the race would be, as natural, as Spitzer resignation now is. It is the best solution for the current terrible problem, which Clintons cause now. It would be nice to have it before Pensylvania primary. At least, Obama would be able to concentrate on his incoming competition with McCain.

Posted by: aepelbaum | March 10, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

nlynnc,

When you talking about HRC's experience, are you referring to her experience at managing Bubba's bimbo eruptions, secret health care task force meetings (I think she pioneer those before Uncle Dick did) or White House state dinners?

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

To All Hillary Supporters:

Do you believe Bill will not get sexual feeling in the next White House especially seeing Woman Voted Presidents Woman Administration or you planning to keep him on loose?

Posted by: kkinbox | March 10, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Sen SANJAYA, TIME is UP
Sen SANJAYA, TIME is UP
Sen SANJAYA, TIME is UP
Sen SANJAYA, TIME is UP
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politi

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Breaking News :

OJ Simpson Supporting Obama

OJ Jury Supporting Obama

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

To the writers of the quoted posts below:

I guess you do believe there were WMD in Iraq and that Creationism explains our existence on Earth... Please do the human race a favor and educate yourselves. Else, if you do not believe in education either, read the New Testament. There is a guy in the story who tries to explain that we should respect and love people from other religions too.

By the way, all presidential candidates are practicing Christians, even if one of them does not seem to be so sure about this fact.
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"He certainly isn't! And his Afro-American Islamic loyalties tell us he's no president either. Can you imagine a president who is unwilling to do the pledge of allegiance? Who is way more supportive of Islamists over Jewish or Christian? Shouldn't his loyalties be for the country he will need to take an oath to support?

What this does tell us though is "How presidential is Clinton if she is willing to suggest this guy should be a VP?" It is the one substantial point I've ever heard Oboma make.

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I agree with this comment. Anyone that lives in the US and wants to represent and lead this country should have honor for the flag and the bible. I fear that he feels to closely connected to ISLAM and I fear having a terrorist in the White House.
"

Posted by: faoa | March 10, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

to ermias.kifle:

You know it's a good idea to get out and get some fresh air every once in a while. You might want to consider listening to someone other than Rush occassionally too. Mega Dittos..... You're a great American

Posted by: BenThere | March 10, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

As soon as the Florida and Michigan delegates are seated, Obama's miniscule lead will drop - or disappear. It's good to hear he doesn't want the VP position. He's not ready for that either. Hillary deserves a running mate as qualified as she is.

It is interesting to hear the man who called John McCain the night of the Texas and Ohio primaries to say he looked forward to running against him in the fall call the Clinton's suggestion presumptuous. But Obama has made it very clear that he can't handle it when the shoe is on the other foot.

I'm not sure I've ever before seen a presidential candidate with such a sense of entitlement and air of condecension about him. I struggle to understand his popularity. He has nothing to offer and he's been nothing but arrogant about his campaign.

Posted by: nlynnc | March 10, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

hey svreader and work2play, take a moment from your mindless posts and read your very own Bubba's transcript:

Bill Clinton quoted from a 2004 CNN transcript:

"Now, one of Clinton's laws of politics is this. If one candidate is trying to scare you and the other one is try get you to think, if one candidate is appealing to your fears and the other one is appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/25/pzn

Posted by: KAM3 | March 10, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

are you saying only White's fell for the 3AM ad? OR Are you saying Ohio Whites are So Racial that they should actually Vote for the R-acial (R-public) party?

Posted by: kkinbox | March 10, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

MO and VA...NC? Not large states?

Keep countin' your chump change it will not add up to a nomination...Obama's got her...they've had her since Feb. 5...just follow the bouncing ball...

Posted by: brian | March 10, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Sen SANJAYA, TIME is UP
Sen SANJAYA, TIME is UP
Sen SANJAYA, TIME is UP
Sen SANJAYA, TIME is UP
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politics
Obama is a Sanjaya of American Politi

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

55% to 60% white vote
65% to 70% Asian vote
60% to 65% Latino Vote

She doesn't need the Black vote to win.
The Black Vote is OVERRATED

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Rezko / Obama 08
Rezko / Obama 08
Rezko / Obama 08
Rezko / Obama 08
Rezko / Obama 08
Rezko / Obama 08

Slum Landlord and Drug Dealer 08
Slum Landlord and Drug Dealer 08
Slum Landlord and Drug Dealer 08
Slum Landlord and Drug Dealer 08
Slum Landlord and Drug Dealer 08
Slum Landlord and Drug Dealer 08

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

LOL! The Dimocrats are really Poking to each other these days.

Get the Kids in the Mix, and they can claim:

WE are not only the Dimocrats,

WE are the ARISTOCRATS! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 10, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Did no one notice when Barack Obama said Hillary would make a great VP? I sure did. So what's the difference if she returns the complement?

I think all these folks are starting to lose it and I'm beginning to think the unthinkable. A vote for McCain.

Posted by: newton11 | March 10, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Rendell will cook the election results in PA!!

Mr. Rendell's history doesn't inspire confidence that he takes fraud of any kind seriously. In 1994, Philadelphia Democrat Bill Stinson was booted from office as a state senator by a federal judge who found his campaign had rounded up 250 tainted absentee ballots. Mr. Rendell, then Philadelphia's mayor, had this reaction to the Stinson scandal: "I don't think it's anything that's immoral or grievous, but it clearly violates the election code." In 1997, Mr. Rendell admitted to the Journal's editorial board that Philadelphia judges had "a rich history of corruption" that called into question how fairly city laws are enforced.

Now governor, Mr. Rendell isn't eager to depart from business as usual. In 2004, a court had to order him to make changes in the deadlines for absentee military ballots so they would be counted. At the same time, his secretary of state asked prison wardens to post a document outlining how prisoners could vote absentee. When GOP Rep. Curt Weldon held a news conference to denounce illegal voting by prisoners, a TV camera crew captured voter operatives behind him carrying absentee ballots out of the prison.

http://opinionjournal.com/cc/?id=110008225

Posted by: dogsbestfriend | March 10, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

PS SVREADER,

You are the one who should be charged with a felony- for perjury. I smoked pot in college a couple of times: does that make me a felon? Is your current president a felon for probably blowing more coke than this whole comment section combined? Come on man. Wise up and let's not talk irrationally.

Posted by: naz_101 | March 10, 2008 04:26 PM
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SVREader isn't talking about pot smoking, SVReader is talking about criminal carrying around, buying, and snuffing cocaine. That is a crime. Many are in prison for doing the same thing, only Obama didn't get caught, or did he? gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 10, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

55% to 60% white vote
65% to 70% Asian vote
60% to 65% Latino Vote

She doesn't need the Black vote to win.
The Black Vote is OVERRATED.
May Blacks (men) can't vote, because of the "CRIME" problem, thats why LATINOS are doing much, much better.

The Latinos do not sit and cry RACISM every time when things doesn't go their way.

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I strongly support Obama and would like see him pick Ralf Nader as a VP.

Posted by: seankorda | March 10, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

work2play,

Obama's comment is no more arrogant than Clinton's suggestion that she magnanimously put Obama at the bottom of the ticket. Ummm...yeah, who is ahead in delegates...and in states...and in the popular vote?

The losing candidate talking about giving table scraps to the winning candidate is about as arrogant as it gets, but this is pretty much the only tone Clinton knows. Starting with her "I am inevitable" campaign last fall, she has run one of the most arrogant campaigns since...well, since George W. Bush.

Seriously, if the tables were turned such that Clinton were leading in the race and Obama offered her the VP slot, what do you think Clinton's response would be? An arrogant cackle perhaps?

Besides, Clinton and Obama on the same ticket, no matter who is on top and who is on bottom is a recipe for disaster. The two will not trust each other or support each other fully in the general election any more than John Edwards sacrificed himself for Kerry. Whoever is in the VP slot would be thinking, "What if we lose?" and would look ahead to 2012. Two junior senators with no military background and no executive experience are never going to make a strong ticket. McCain would pick a solid governor as his VP, and the Republicans would trounce Clinton-Obama just as soundly as they would Obama-Clinton.

Posted by: blert | March 10, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Tell Obamarosa to quit whining

Posted by: nicehall | March 10, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Muammar al-Qathafi
Barack Hussein Obama
Abdel Rahman Shalgam
Bashar al-Assad
Abdullah bin Abdul

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Yeah and that huge BLACK vote in Wisconsin, MN, UT, WY, WA, etc...haters. He's got appeal across the country and across race and some old schoolers just can't stand it!

Posted by: brian | March 10, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I have watched Obama since Iowa. He is a master at using HIS negatives against Hillary.

When someone asked about his drug problems, smoking marijuana and ingesting and carrying around cocaine, that was Hillary's fault when somebody - anybody said anything about it.

When somebody - anybody wondered about his heritage - and his middle name, that was "shockingly" Hillary's fault.

When somebody - anybody mentioned LBJ or MLK other than Barack, Michelle, or Oprah, or the media wondering if Obama was "black enough," that was Hillary's fault, and she was using race to get elected. Oh, really.

When somebody assassinated Bhutto in Pakistan, that was Hillary's fault.

When Bill Clinton said that Obama was a "fairy tale," for saying he was always against the war - that was labeled as a racial remark, and again the fault was laid at Hillary's feet.

When Bill Clinton said something about Jesse Jackson's two wins in SC, that was labeled as a racist remark and the fault, again, laid at Hillary's feet.

When Obama said that Ronald Reagan was a trajectory figure in American history unlike Nixon or, quite frankly Bill Clinton, that ended up being Bill and Hillary Clinton's fault.

This is a pattern with Obama. Playing the "victim," and Hillary the "villain." He does it so masterfully, but it is obvious what he does. He says he is out to unite but he plays "divide and conquer," that old, old political ploy to win elections.

Hopefully, it won't work for him. We do need change in Washington, but not his brand of dirty Chicago politics that he has to offer. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 10, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

55% to 60% white vote
65% to 70% Asian vote
60% to 65% Latino Vote

She doesn't need the Black vote to win.
The Black Vote is OVERRATED.
May Blacks (men) can't vote, because of the "CRIME" problem

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Brilliant tactical move by HRC. She gives non-Kool Aid drinking Obama supporters a way out (hmm, I LIKE him but he really hasn't done anything, this way he can get some seasoning), and in the process picks up a whole lot of voters.

I think they should seat the delegates from FL and MI exactly the way they voted. After all, both candidates followed the rules, and millions of people voted for her. Putting those delegations and vote totals in the mix makes Obama's lead a whole lot smaller, and his performance less impressive. After all, HRC has won every large state except for IL (presuming she wins in PA).

Posted by: wilkins937 | March 10, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

What a hoot the Clinton's are. VOTE HILLARY for DOG-CATHCHER.

Obama 08!

Posted by: rlampe | March 10, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

work2play wrote:

Obama's response is very very arrogant and stupid. His sarcastic response shows he has no interest in uniting the party. It would be much wiser to say he would like make the same offer to Clinton if he was the nominee. On the other hand, his all winning or losing attitude will hurt him in the future primary states not dominated by blacks.
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ermias.kifle wrote:

55% to 60% white vote
65% to 70% Asian vote
60% to 65% Latino Vote

She doesn't need the Black vote to win.
The Black Vote is OVERRATED.

He can have 70 % of Blacks in the south.
______________________________________

Obama does not need the black vote to win. Why not try taking a look at the demographics of people that are supporting Obama for a change and stop swallowing the media spin? What about a state like Wyoming where 92.1 percent of the voting population is white? Obama 60%, Clinton 40%. Dumb!!!

Posted by: BenThere | March 10, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Those Clinton's love to manipulate with their words. Its amazes me how many times they pull "slight of word" and get away with it. Too bad for them that its game over...advantage Obama. Bill thinks the voters of ol' miss are that dumb...don't think so.

Posted by: brian | March 10, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Steveboyington, MY complaint about Barack Hussein, is that as an ACLU Constitutional Law Congressional Lawyer,

He has ZERO qualifications for the Executive Branch, other than MAYBE, in a Legal Consultant Position.

"Dream Team"? Sorry folks, I applied that tittle to McRomney and the other RepubliCAN contenders in the Cabinet, Months ago! :-)

There is a Dream Team, NOT a Legal Partnership! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 10, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

In Ohio, Obama won "ONLY" 5 out of 88 counties. Those 5 Ohio counties account for the majority of the "BLACK" vote, the only group of voters Obama won

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Muammar al-Qathafi
Barack Hussein Obama
Abdel Rahman Shalgam
Bashar al-Assad
Abdullah bin Abdul

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

In Ohio, Obama won "ONLY" 5 out of 88 counties. Those 5 Ohio counties account for the majority of the "BLACK" vote, the only group of voters Obama won

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

ONce again, Leadership only comes from Clinton.
Obama is whining and crying and counting his states (none of which will help in the general election)

He's rather the DEMOCRATS LOSE, than that he Lose.

Posted by: newagent99 | March 10, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

55% to 60% white vote
65% to 70% Asian vote
60% to 65% Latino Vote

She doesn't need the Black vote to win.
The Black Vote is OVERRATED.
May Blacks (men) can't vote, because of the "CRIME" problem

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

55% to 60% white vote
65% to 70% Asian vote
60% to 65% Latino Vote

She doesn't need the Black vote to win.
The Black Vote is OVERRATED.

He can have 70 % of Blacks in the south.

Posted by: ermias.kifle | March 10, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

In other news, the New England Patriots have told the New York Giants that they can claim the title of NFC champs and they, the Patriots, will accept the title of Super Bowl champs.

Posted by: acindc007 | March 10, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama's response is very very arrogant and stupid. His sarcastic response shows he has no interest in uniting the party. It would be much wiser to say he would like make the same offer to Clinton if he was the nominee. On the other hand, his all winning or losing attitude will hurt him in the future primary states not dominated by blacks.

Posted by: work2play | March 10, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Who are these Clinton folk, anyway?

The manner in which Clinton, or her campaign staff, handles these things tells me a lot about how she might operate as President.

The manner in which Barak responds also tells me a lot about how he might operate.

I'll take Obama. Professional, to the point, and not overplayed...

Posted by: Spectator | March 10, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

She has already repeatedly said that she would support the democratic party nomination no matter who was the candidate."

I guess that kinda fell by the wayside a while back and got lost. Since then, she's been making soundbites for the 'publicans by saying how qualified McCain is vs. looking down the road a few months ... in the unlikely event she acquires the nomination.

Posted by: Fxston | March 10, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Contrary to the media spin machine, I don't believe the Democratic party is divided right now. I believe the party leadership is secretly hoping that Hillary gets the short end of the delegate and super delegate count and that's the end of it. It may appear that the party is divided, but I firmly believe that party leaders are united in support of the candidate they think can take McCain on and win. That's not Clinton. I think they're tired of the Clintons and all their games and would really like for them to take their BALLS and go home.

Posted by: BenThere | March 10, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Is the bar really going to be set so low for the First Woman President of the US that a cheat (Michigan and Florida) is allowed to hold that position? What example does this set for children and young people?

Posted by: ac11 | March 10, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"I don't understand," Obama said, playing the moment as the crowd cheered, "if I'm not ready, how is it you think I would be such a great vice president?""

You gotta admit it's a great response to a poorly-chosen talking point. Hillary's dominated the airwaves for almost two weeks now (give her credit), but with the Wyoming loss, this "VP" remark (which should get plenty of play) and (possibly) another primary loss tomorrow, it could be another tidal change.

Posted by: max | March 10, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"He continues to make statements that are not supported by the facts". This statement does not call anyone a liar. Obama did not call Clinton a liar.

Posted by: cousin | March 10, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

PS SVREADER,

You are the one who should be charged with a felony- for perjury. I smoked pot in college a couple of times: does that make me a felon? Is your current president a felon for probably blowing more coke than this whole comment section combined? Come on man. Wise up and let's not talk irrationally.

Posted by: naz_101 | March 10, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

You can't have it both ways, Senator Clinton. The office of Vice President is not intended to be some sort of "apprentice" position. If you say Obama is not ready to be President, you can't hedge your bets and bring him onboard as someone who is one heartbeat away from the Presidency.

Posted by: ComfortablyDumb | March 10, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Why should Obama accept a VP post when he leads in delegates? This is just more dirty politics from Clinton. She can't win by being truthful and positive, so she throws smoke everywhere, and yes -- LIES. She has yet to own up that it was her team that assured the Canadian government on NAFTA, even though the Canadian government said so. And where are her tax returns? Why has she asked a judge to keep secret her telephone log as first lady? She's Karl Rove's successor, though she accused Obama of that. She blames all of her dirt on someone else as a distraction. She has run a filthy swamp of a campaign. Sometimes it seems Americans have not learned a thing from the last seven years of secretive, destructive government.

Posted by: rose_la | March 10, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

steveboy --

Cocaine use is a felony. Obama brags about having used it repeatedly in his books.

According to my contacts, the Chicago DA is considering bringing charges against Obama based on the $100M fraud he and Rezko were involved in.

How can you still support Obama knowing that he completely failed to do his job following up on slum repairs that cost the government $100M and that poor people of all colors suffered and died because of him?

Are you that heartless???

Or are you actually a Republican???

Why do you think anyone, anywhere, will trust him now that we know his ego and his incompetence cost countless lives of the poorest of the poor who elected him and made the mistake of trusting him to do his job?

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the real Obama is a really bad guy

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey Iowatreasures, you ever see Hillary live giving speeches around the country?

In Mississippi, she breaks into a horrific southern drawl. In Ohio, she speaks with a horrific mid-western accent.

It is truly cringe-inducing.

If Obama is such a terrible candidate, why do folks like you and svreader and rat-the have to make up lies about him?? Got nothing that is actually true to criticize him with??

Posted by: steveboyington | March 10, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"She can't win farely, so she wants to burn the whole ship. Democrats are so dumb, they'll loss again in November"

Seth Grahame-Smith from his article 'The Monster: A Loyal Clinton Soldier Turns in His Badge' (Huffington Post) likens her to a political suicide bomber?

"She's proven that she cares more about "Hillary" than "unity." More about defeating Obama than defeating the Republicans. She's become a political suicide-bomber, happy to blow herself to bits -- as long as she takes everyone else with her."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-grahamesmith/the-monster-a-loyal-clin_b_90632.html


Posted by: ac11 | March 10, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

So, Senator Clinton is being deceptive (again).

I'll consider him VP.
All along she's said not qualified to be P.
It's a dream ticket she says to voters.
But when pushed Wolfson can't explain the disconnect.
So, once again Senator Clinton is being deceptive to try and hornswoggle voters.

Posted by: philcave | March 10, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Guys - Obama has not exactly been honest on the campaign trail he has had quite a bit of double speak himself, Michelle needs quite a bit of coaching, and he really doesn't have 25 years of valuable experience. He has hope. I like hope. However, hope without a plan is like a lung cancer patient praying for health with a cigarette in his mouth. Hillary is smart and can get the job done, but she has no charisma and that makes it hard for people to follow her. They both have played the same power game, only it looks different coming from her since she is a veteran with an ex-president for a husband.

Both of them would make a great ticket. When was the last time we had the opportunity to vote for president and VP? If people won't vote for the ticket because the other one is on there, you are fools. They don't agree on everything, including leadership style - but I like that. Obama needs maturity and Clinton needs tempering. I don't put hillary in the same class as her husband. In addition, to another comment, Obama shows just as much raw ambition as Hillary - and a much larger ego. There is nothing wrong with that. Obama has the most to gain from a VP spot because he will be all but guaranteed a presidential spot in the future. Obama may not get the chance at all against McCain by himself. So will Hillary - impossible time beating McCain by himself. Now that the conservative party is rallying around their one candidate, we dems are being pulled apart. Is Obama saying he wouldn't support Hillary as president if she were the party's candidate? Is Hillary saying she would have Obama as a VP? She has already repeatedly said that she would support the democratic party nomination no matter who was the candidate.

Posted by: MF87 | March 10, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I Can't stand Michelle Obama. That is reason enough for me not to vote for him.

Posted by: kickygirl | March 10, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm surprised to see him standing up to her seeing he's been taking it for over a year now. The one thing for certain is one of them is going to be our next president, and when it comes to this election, almost anything can happen. Except Mayor 9/11, his career in politics is over.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | March 10, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Svreader: How desperate are you? Do you understand what a "multiple felon" is??

Wow. What an ignoramus.

Posted by: steveboyington | March 10, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama's nothing but a crook who defrauded the government out of $100M.

The only ticket he should be on is one to the state pen.

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA is leader.
SHAME on YOU Hillary for not able to do simple math.


LEADER is the PRESIDENT nominee!!!!!!

Posted by: tariqahmed | March 10, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I disagree about her motives for making the overtures. She is telling the party, superdelegates and voters that she is a team player and the party will not be divided if she stays in the race and if by chance gets the nod. Very smart on her part. I don't think it was a good move on his part to slam the door. Makes him look like it's all or nothing and if he doesnt win, he's taking his toys and going home. He's giving voters an ultimatum. It sounds very divisive - not a word he should want associated with his campaign right now. He should have just said ' I am currently ahead and it would be premature to discuss it'. The way he said it made him sound childish and arrogant.

Posted by: jcmdstep1 | March 10, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

In the article, Obama said, "You all know the okey-dokey, when someone's trying to bamboozle you, when they're trying to hoodwink you?" Obama said to the crowd at the Mississippi University for Women. . . ."
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Well, Obama uses the words "okey-dokey" and "bamboozle you," and "hoodwink you," when he is talking to AA's in Mississippi. You won't hear him use those words in Pennsylvania very often.

Obama is the master at "political fixing," and his history in Illinois proves that, he cut his teeth on down and dirty Chicago politics. He is as ruthless and underhanded as any in chicago.

what Obama wants to bring to Washington, I don't want in Washington. We have enough crookedness there without taking Chicago underhanded politics to Washington and the Whitehouse. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 10, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

JainPa,

Our comments at the outset were/are not hateful. They are full of frustration at the depths to which the clinton campaign has dragged the discussion/debate. If Hillary et al hadn't lowered the decorum by using the kitchen sink approach of dialog and attack, I assure you it wouldn't have been Barack's camp to do so. You can only turn the cheek for so long without being labeled weak. We are angry because of the negativity of the campaign, and we are angry because this is the type of crap/mudslinging/negativity that we want to do away with in washington. Open your eyes to the real reason for the vehemence with which we refute the claims of the clinton camp. It is because of them that this has become and eye for an eye. We will not sit idly by and watch hope for our country's future be railroaded by typical Washington politics. We are a movement. We want respectability brought back to our nation, seen both by its own people and those around the world. We are angry and we have been for the last 8 years. WAKE UP!

Posted by: naz_101 | March 10, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Hitpoints, please educate yourself with the longstanding use of voting "present" to particular effect in Illinois legislature. Specifically in an attempt to make the sponsors/supporters change the proposed legislation, rather than shooting it down out of hand ... something one does when trying to achieve compromise (a/k/a "reaching across the aisle"). We haven't seen much of that in Washington, certainly, so I can see why you'd be unfamiliar with the process.

Posted by: Fxston | March 10, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Why Obasama, something we agree on!

Now, repeat after me-

I am no President either! ;~)

C'mon...

Just SAY it, and go back to trying to become a Legislator! :-)

Posted by: rat-the | March 10, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

The voters have spoken and it is now time for Hussein to withdraw and end his divisive campaign. It has been fun watching the antics of his frat-boy and girls-gone-wild supporters, but it is now time to take the presidential contest seriously.

Responsible Dems must focus on the fact that Tony's Rezko's partner-in-crime cannot win the presidency by winning in small states with insignificant Electoral College votes, like Vermont, Iowa, Idaho, Wyoming and North Dakota. To win the presidency, it will take winning the Hillary states of California, Ohio, New York, Michigan, Texas and Florida.

The Hope-Change, Change-Hope, Hope-able Change and Change-able Hope BS and assorted plagiarisms of Hussein (along with his theft of most of John Edwards' ideas) has been a delightful distraction from reality. The last thing the Dems need is another gas bag loser like Kerry that can only spout hollow platitudes. Intellectually mature Democrats must get serious and work to nominate and elect a capable president.

Posted by: ImpeachNOW | March 10, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

THESE CLINTON FOLKS ARE STILL SMOKING THAT PIPE, THEY ARE SO OUT OF TOUCH, ITS BECOMING CYNICAL & DELUSIONAL

Hillary Clinton is the Most Divisive Politician ever, Very Polarizing and Manipulative. This game should be over based on the Math, but no that won't happen because its all about the Clintons.

My oh My....How can you loss 12 straight contest and still be in the race

She can't win farely, so she wants to burn the whole ship. Democrats are so dumb, they'll loss again in November

Why isn't the Goal Post North Carolina? Why mUst the goal post be Clinton Country? It Baffles me!!!!!!!!! Hillary has tamed all of you in the press, you guys are scared of her

Posted by: jsu4193k | March 10, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

At no point have I ever heard Sen Obama call Sen Clinton a Liar . " Hoodwinked is the term he used . He stays above the fray.
I would love to list the plethora of lies said by the Clintons, but I dont think I have the time ! LOL

The ignorance of Americans will take this country right into the gates of hell .....

Posted by: soflindie | March 10, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Hillary what do you think of Client # 9??? Was Billy Client # 1? Let's hear it you arrogant MONSTER!


Posted by: dogsbestfriend | March 10, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama - I'm no VP. And no President either.

Posted by: pgr88 | March 10, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone seriously see Hillary playing Prince Charles to Obama's Diana? And Obama playing doormat to Bill? Thank God the math says we won't have to find out!

Posted by: ac11 | March 10, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

No. We do not want Obama to be VP.

Obama does have a past, and it is going to come back and bite him.

Obama betrayed the trust of the poor people in Chicago he swore to look out for.

While he was focusing on how to get to the Whitehouse, the people who trusted him were getting screwed "big time"

Republicans have done an amazing amount of background research on Obama, and there is no way in the world he's going to be elected to anything once they get done with him.

"Who would you rather vote for, the coke head or the war hero?"

is only the tip of the iceberg.

Chicago is Obama's Waterloo.

He couldn't even handle the job of being a State Senator.

Why would anyone in their right mind trust Obama with being a heart-beat away from the Presidency?

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

THESE FOLKS ARE STILL SMOKING THAT PIPE, THEY ARE SO OUT OF TOUCH, ITS BECOMING CYNICAL & DELUSIONAL

Hillary Clinton is the Most Divisive Politician ever, Very Polarizing and Manipulative. This game should be over based on the Math, but no that won't happen because its all about the Clintons.

My oh My....How can you loss 12 straight contest and still be in the race

She can't win farely, so she wants to burn the whole ship. Democrats are so dumb, they'll loss again in November

Why isn't the Goal Post North Carolina? Why mUst the goal post be Clinton Country? It Baffles me!!!!!!!!! Hillary has tamed all of you in the press, you guys are scared of her

Posted by: jsu4193k | March 10, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama Supporters --

Thank you for helping Hillary avoid making a big mistake.

Obama is a known multiple felon from his cocaine use, and I have just been informed by contacts in Chicago that the DA is considering bringing felony charges against Obama based on information obtained from his friend Rezko.

Sorry to burst your bubble but now that the press is actually checking into Obama's past, TV, Radio, Newspapers and the Web will be falling all over each other reporting on the story of Obama's incompetence and corruption.

The only reason Obama has gotten this far is that nobody has vetted him by looking into his past.

That's changing, and nothing you or Obama can do can stop it.

Its lucky for Hillary that she didn't choose Obama as her VP.

Obama's crooked as a horseshoe.

He's going to be lucky if he doesn't get indicted, convicted, and thrown into jail.

What he did to the poorest of the poor in Chicago when he swore to protect them is criminal!!

Posted by: svreader | March 10, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

It's about time.

Truman once said he wasn't out to give the Republicans hell -- he'd just tell the truth and they'd think it was hell.

Sen. Obama, that (and today's speech in Mississippi) is is how you do it: keep pointing out Clinton's discrepancies, tie it into how this does nothing to solve the many problems we face as a nation, and tell us what you want to do about those problems, working with us Americans who care deeply about the messed-up predicament we're in now.

Then sit back and watch the voters in the remaining states and the delegates in Denver put Sen. Clinton on BLAST.

Keep working to close the deal with those who aren't yet convinced, who think the '90s were such a wonderful time -- they weren't all that for everybody.

It's yours to take.


Posted by: jcbcmb68 | March 10, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

So Obama points out Hillary's vote on te Iranian Revolutionary Guards.

Did he also point out that although he had an opportunity to vote 'no' on that amendment (and oppose Hillary's vote), he instead DIDN'T VOTE AT ALL.

More 'present' votes from Obama.

I imagine that, were he president and the 3 am phone call rang, he'd either reply with 'present!' or, 'You know, I was against the war in Iraq in 2002.'.

Posted by: hitpoints | March 10, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, typo: replace "how the effect so many" with "the effect of so many". Failure to properly edit due to soaring blood pressure, I think.

Posted by: Fxston | March 10, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Kec132 wrote:

"the mocking tone of he and his campaign towards the VP slot is uncalled for, fairly ignorant and very juvenile."

As opposed to the arrogance and condescension of the Clinton camp in offering him second place when he's winning? Spare me. I'll start up my miniature violin for Hillary.

Posted by: kestrel_mw | March 10, 2008 03:56 PM
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kestrel, I am applauding you at my computer right now. THANK YOU!!! Between her and that farting tool Rendell, I thought I was going to barf. Oh, thanks, Ms. second in place, can we really be VP with you? Oh, goody!!

Posted by: LABC | March 10, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Jainpa,
There has been negativity from Clinton supporters too. During Super Tuesday, they tore down our Obama posters 3 times in my neighborhood, violently shredding them and throwing the pieces for blocks. I reposted them (taped them solidly down) three times just to see what would happen. They tore them down each time.
The Obama supporters left the Clinton posters untouched. We respected their freedom of speech.

There has been negativity from supporters on both sides, but any principals within the Obama camp who have been negative have been asked to leave the campaign. Hillary has not asked Bill to leave her campaign nor Mark Penn nor Wolfson nor the others and they have been wildly negative....and she herself has made misleading innuendoes about Obama, so, there is a bit of a tip in the negativity scales towards the Clinton camp for their negative behavior and lies.

I was a Clinton supporter until recently and have been so turned off by their campaign methods. I am disappointed in both Bill and Hillary. I prefer the message and tone of the Obama campaign. I'd prefer to have the first woman president win it fair and square, not by deception and not by playing the victim/bully like she has....not a great role model using that mode.

Posted by: bklynny | March 10, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

rjj900s, you appear to be a gullible fool. Obama doesn't have "American Islamic loyalties".

"Can you imagine a president who is unwilling to do the pledge of allegiance?"

What stupid site are you reading anyway? He has *led* folks in the pledge of allegiance.

"Who is way more supportive of Islamists over Jewish or Christian?"

I don't know -- I guess not you?

"Anyone that lives in the US and wants to represent and lead this country should have honor for the flag and the bible."

And you're going to tell us what facts you have to support your position that Obama does not (I gather his membership in a Christian church for 20 years has been a sham).

"I fear that he feels to closely connected to ISLAM and I fear having a terrorist in the White House."

And I fear how the effect so many sad, aggressively ignorant people like you there have on the world.

Posted by: Fxston | March 10, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama - Clinton will be OK and is very likely to win. Clinton - Obama is not a good combination and moreover, Clinton - Anybody might loose.

Posted by: DrCha | March 10, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Reasons why Clinton would not select Obama as VP:

1) Senators historically do poorly in presidential races. While this race will certainly feature two senators in November, putting two senators on the same ticket will hurt chances.

2) Obama's argument is correct--if he is not experienced enough to be president, then he isn't experienced enough to take on the VP role. All of Clinton's arguments against Obama thus far will turn around to hurt her.

3) Two junior senators with barely a term and a half between them in elected experience on the national stage is weak. There would be no executive experience, no military experience, or anything else on the ticket. John McCain has more experience than these two combined.

4) VPs should never overshadow the candidate, and Obama would shine more brightly in speeches throughout the campaign. The highlight of the convention would end up being his speech rather than Clinton's, and this would make her look increasingly mediocre against McCain.

[Others???]

Reasons why Clinton would put Obama in the VP slot:

1) It's the only way she can win the nomination.

Posted by: blert | March 10, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Me thinks that Billory supporters are on crack,
plain and simple. Now to get onto the message.....Buchanan was one of the most experienced person running for president, and was actually one of the worst, present one not included, hes not out of office yet. Lincoln was one of the least experienced, and was arguably one of the better, if not one of the best. What is exactly is Hillory's experience? She claims 35 years and that wouuld put her back in law school Days.What has she done as a senator? She did spend 35 million on a non contested race, go figure. Just what is her "vast" experience that she tries to bludgeon Obama with? The only call she can answer at 3:00 am is probably from some woman asking for bill. Actually you would have to get out of bed and go to the ready room to answer the true phone, that wasn't mentioned in the ad. She needs to release all her records and not hide behind a veil of deceit to get by with out having to do so.Gee lets look at a true Clinton supporter.... everything they say or do is straight out of the Republican play book....The press still hasn't fully vetted her yet! For almost the first year she announced she was running the press practically anointed her as the coming Democratic messiah. Obama may not be perfect, be he can't truly be any worse.. I can't wait for the shenanigans to begin. I will vote for Nader before her!

Posted by: woodard3 | March 10, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

presGWBfanclub: Good one! Don't forget Hillary's experience with answering phones at 3 a.m. She did that awaiting news from the Secret Service regarding her unfaithful husband's whereabouts. Experience should have told her to look in the Oval Office. Oh the integrity they would bring back to the presidency!

Posted by: Quino | March 10, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama could have worded his rejection in less absolute terms. Had he said ' Either I or Hillary can be Pres or VP as is the wish of my party; let's see how the convention goes', had he said that he could then point out the irony of Clinton seeing him as worthy of the Vice Presidency but not Presidential timber. The reposte would have been even sharper and he would have kept the door open to all eventualities. That would have shown both statemanship and political savy. Should Hillary win on the convention floor, she will be able to escape criticism and need not offer Obama the VP spot.

Posted by: kdeluca1 | March 10, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton IS a liar. As little as 5 years ago, she was being interviewed on "60 Minutes" regarding her book. During this same interview, she was asked if she is planning on running for President in 2008. She said "I have absolutely NO plans to run for President in 2008." If it looks like a lie and sounds like a lie, then it's a LIE. If she wasn't sure, she could have said something like "time will tell." Don't sit up here and say one thing and then turn around and do the exact opposite. I do not trust her and she has lost my respect.

Posted by: jvsmith | March 10, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Why would Obama want to be anywhere near the SKUNK?

Down with the MONSTER!

Posted by: dogsbestfriend | March 10, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Hillary speech lines (from comment above):

"Pledge delegates: They aren't legally pledged and should be free to vote for however they want."

They ARE free to vote however they want "in all good conscience." That's the Dirty Little (Unspeakable) Secret of the Party Rules, and one that someone in her camp evidently pointed out to Roger Simon at Politico, if no one else. Trust me, they're looking at all possible paths.

That said, I don't know how many pledged/elected delegates she could get to cut their own (political) throats by voting against their peeps as promised. Perhaps it depends how much dirt she has on them.

Posted by: Fxston | March 10, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons must be desperate to try pulling this sort of stuff. As someone remarked earlier, perhaps they're seeking to change the subject from their balking on disclosing White House papers that detail Hillary's "experience" while first lady.

What are they trying to hide? If Democrats can't see these documents in timely fashion, but Republicans gain access before November, what would be the outcome?

Posted by: FirstMouse | March 10, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Judgement: Senator Clinton voted for a war that has now cost us in excess of three trillion dollars; Senator Obama opposed the war.

Question: Would the United States be a stronger and more secure nation today if we had not spent three trillion dollars in a foriegn country roughly the size of Texas with a population about one quarter of California's.

Posted by: richrmartinez | March 10, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

"Obama: I'm No V.P."

He certainly isn't! And his Afro-American Islamic loyalties tell us he's no president either. Can you imagine a president who is unwilling to do the pledge of allegiance? Who is way more supportive of Islamists over Jewish or Christian? Shouldn't his loyalties be for the country he will need to take an oath to support?

What this does tell us though is "How presidential is Clinton if she is willing to suggest this guy should be a VP?" It is the one substantial point I've ever heard Oboma make.


I agree with this comment. Anyone that lives in the US and wants to represent and lead this country should have honor for the flag and the bible. I fear that he feels to closely connected to ISLAM and I fear having a terrorist in the White House.

Posted by: rjj900s | March 10, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Hillary thinks she is ready for the presidency and McCain is ready for the presidency. McCain could use Hillary's words as an endorsement from her. With all the circus the HillBillys are putting together why can't Hillary offer the VP job to McCain. Then she will get all the democrats votes and all the republican votes. There will be bipartisanship. Squeeze out the independents as the opposition party. There you have it a presidency where the president and vice president can both send troops to kill foreigners in their own lands before they illegally immigrate to the United States. All options for war with Kosovo, Ireland, Iraq, Iran, North Korea, Pakistan, Vietnam and even Switzerland will be on the table. Hillary has already accumulated enough retired generals as surrogates with whom she holds these mock war meetings for the media to see. It is like those pretend tea parties little girls have. Hillary sits down, followed by a half dozen retired generals who all set aside their canes and put on their dentures and sit down after her. Then Hillary pretends to attack Canada and the old generals all fart and agree. Now why can't McCain be part of that dreamteam?

Posted by: ChunkyMonkey1 | March 10, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

The assertion by Obama and his supporters that Super Delegates should reflect the popular vote is misguided at best. Super Delegates wouldn't be necessary if the intent in creating the system was to have them mirror the popular vote. They were created after McGovern won the nomination (and lost miserably) and after Carter's failed presidency to give the DNC some control over the nomination. Argue that such control is undemocratic if you like, but it is the system BOTH candidates knew was in play when the election process started. Don't accuse Hillary of trying to change the rules in midstream with Florida and Michigan when Obama seems oblivious to the roles and rules of Super Delegates (or is trying to manipulate a transformation of Super Delegates in the middle of an election to suit his own ends). The point is, we Democrats have chosen some real stinkers in the past and the DNC should have some say in the nomination process, especially when one candidate conistently polls better against the opposition than the other. If it turns out that Obama continually fares better in polls against McCain, then by all means the Super Delegates should support him. If, however, Hillary polls better against McCain, then the support of superdelegates should be hers. Either way, don't portray Obama as the protective saint of voters -- he wants a win as much as Hillary and will/and has stooped to conquer.

Posted by: tokonoma | March 10, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

hillary DEFINITELY should be the president.

why?

well.. hillary has WAY MORE WHITE HOUSE EXPERIENCE than obama does...

let's see.

what white house experience does hillary have?

1) she knows how to serve tea and cookies to guests.

now ~that's important....

2) she was in charge of the white house christmas tree for 8 years..

i hear she also chose the color of the table cloths AND napkins...

3) she knows where they store the extra toilet paper rolls for the presidential bathroom.

obama wouldn't have a clue...

and finally,

4) according to hillary's own pooched lips, she was on a super secret peace keeping mission to kosova...also according to her, it was extremely dangerous.. way too dangerous for the president.. but obviously not dangerous that SINBAD and SHERYL CROW went as well... and oh yea. the ~REAL~ dipomatic envoy sent to kosova or who were ina the country at the time? they didn't know anything about hillary's super secret peace keeping mission...

i guess that's why they called it "SUPER SECRET", huh?

:D

yup.. as mastercard would say, "$1,200 for a blue pants suit.. $200 for her hairdo.. $25,000 ~donation~ for a ~guest~ to sleep in the lincoln bedroom of the clinton occupied whitehouse... but being on a super secret peace keeping mission to kosova with chelsea, SINBAD, and SHERYL CROW? ... priceless.

:D


Posted by: presGWBfanclub | March 10, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Didn't the Obama camp suggest Clinton should concede recently? Neither side has the moral high road on arrogance and presumption.

Posted by: josiahSchmoe | March 10, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

AS OF 3-10-08
Big States vote breakdown:

State Obama ///Clinton

California 2,126,000 2,553,000
Texas 1,358,000 1,459,000
New York 698,000 1,003,000
Illinois 1,302,000 662,000
Ohio 982,000 1,212,000
Georgia 704,000 330,000
New Jersey 492,000 603,000
Virginia 627,000 350,000
Washington 354,000 316,000

Final Total Obama Clinton

8,643,000 8,487,000=========156,000 LEAD for OBAMA

Barack Obama LEADS:
a) Delegates
b) Primaries
c) Caucuses
d) Money Raised
e) Donors
f) Votes from big states
g) Popular votes
h) Senator endorsements
i) Governor endorsements
j) Most states won

Look at these numbers carefully. Obama is winning. And he isn't running for Vice President.

Posted by: kamilia | March 10, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

O'Bomba, I think she was misheard.

She possibly said she thought you would be an excellent example of Number 2!

Something along the lines of; O'Bomba is Number 2! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 10, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Bill is desperate for "ANOTHER ROUND" of White House s"Experience".

Do you want to be counted by him?

What will you tell your kids and World if it happens again (Which is Guaranteed BTW)?

Posted by: kkinbox | March 10, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

As we all know, Obama has nothing to do with presumptuousness himself.

Posted by: josiahSchmoe | March 10, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Here's Obama from MSNBC live (via Huffington Post) in his own words about Clinton's VP offer:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/10/obama-if-im-not-ready-_n_90765.html

Posted by: ac11 | March 10, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes, when I look at comments posted by the Obama people, I think they should all be issued pacifiers.

Posted by: pspengler | March 10, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Barack is winning and is running for President against an unscrupulous and extremely fault-ridden candidate. The most divisive figure in American politics bar none. She will get out the Republican vote like no other Candidate.

What I don't understand is why Hilary is being given a free pass by the media. Why aren't the media publishing stories on her potentially standing trial for fund raising fraud?

There is videotaped evidence that she knew firsthand about the fundraising by Peter Paul that was found to be illegal and that makes her culpable.

Why aren't there stories about what the Republicans are going to do with this if she becomes the nominee?

Hilary Clinton is not electable. She will be fighting prosecution for this crime while she would be running for the Whitehouse.

Posted by: mbshults | March 10, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton "Obama as Vice President" thing is nothing more than an attempt to send him to "the back of the bus." Not much different that the attempt to demain Obama's intelligence and character, you know, the "experience" thing.

Its dicrimination folks. I wonder if the Clinton's are violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Posted by: pbarnett52 | March 10, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Obama supportors or those thinking about supporting him should read an article that appeared in the NY Times this past Sunday. The areticle spoke of Daschele and Kennedy advising him that he should run for president now before his record was marred by potentially problematic voting record. You know the kind of record that comes with experience nad standing up for and voting for things. Obama is a scammer. He has no voting record because he doen't want to be accountable. He telles the voters of ohaio that he doesn;t support NAFTA and he tells Canada not to worry he won't change anything. This doesn't sound like politics as usual. The Obama politics sounds like worse than usual politics. Obama is overly ambitous empty suit. He will never win in a general election against McCain. Democrats unless you want four more years of Republican domination vote for HRC NOW!

Posted by: politicalobserver1 | March 10, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I do not like Obama's lack of humility, his big ego and his swagger. Plain and simple, it masks inferior job skills and a lack of understanding of just what the office of the Presidency is.

It is not a party.

it is life and death decisions and he is just not ready.

Sorry, bye,

Posted by: lndlouis | March 10, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Hillary HAS ???

She copied Obama's Senate VOTING !!!

If she has experience and Obama doesn't,
I BEG you to explain why you voted exactly same?

She is only fishing for FOOLS. If you are, please VOTE Hillary.

If you are American, VOTE at your Will.


*******

How to Stop Bill in the Hillary White house which could mostly be woman as they are voting?

*******

OR IS IT THE WILL OF VOTER ?

IS HE ALREADY PRE-SCREENING in the Primaries?

Do you want the WORLD To know once again that you VOTED for "IT"?

Posted by: kkinbox | March 10, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Hehe, a nice volley by Obama. Wolfson will have to twist himself into a pretzel to try and get out of this one (and his initial response definitely doesn't cut the mustard). Well played, Barack!

And no, he was neither denigrating the office of VP nor calling Hillary a liar. All he did was call her on blatantly contradictory statements. And he did it with aplomb :)

Posted by: ASinMoCo | March 10, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

let's face it folks. These two candidates have pitted the dems against each other. Obama is an idiot for replying the way he did and Clinton shouldn't do the double speak. They would be a dream ticket, and the DNC and the old guard in Washington has allowed this mess to happen. Every moment Obama opens his mouth he is giving fuel to McCain. Let's face it, he has an ego and his speeches, although well delivered, are not exactly chalk full of subtance. Each time Hillary makes an attack, she give fuel to McCain. Even Obama supports have to admit that having Kennedy, Leahy, and Reid do his bidding with the super delegates, Obama is making himself a hypocrite. Clinton then attacks and gives more fuel to the Republicans and makes herself look like a witch. Both of you, grow up! This isn't about who ever dies with the most toys wins - its about the future of a country on the downfall and unfortunately, you are offering us the best this country can offer? I would rather have Bush another 4 years, at least consistently bad is better than being just plain inconsistent!

Posted by: MF87 | March 10, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"First of all, with all due respect, I've won twice as many states as Sen. Clinton. I've won more of the popular vote than Sen. Clinton. I have more delegates than Sen. Clinton. So, I don't know how somebody who's in second place is offering the vice presidency to somebody who's in first place."

Perfect response! I love this guy!

Posted by: terry1960 | March 10, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Typical Clinton ARROGANCE! The vicepresident has to be suitable to be president as well. How is Obama suddenly suitable to be Vicepresident if, according to the Clintons, he isn't experienced enough to be President?? Pure stupidity! Obama is right to soundly reject that idiocy. Since when does the front runner agree to be someone else's running mate? The Clintons are desperate, and disengenuous. They know they're going to lose and are reaching for straws. Obama for PRESIDENT. Clinton for, well, who cares??

Posted by: Quino | March 10, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Kec132 wrote:

"the mocking tone of he and his campaign towards the VP slot is uncalled for, fairly ignorant and very juvenile."

As opposed to the arrogance and condescension of the Clinton camp in offering him second place when he's winning? Spare me. I'll start up my miniature violin for Hillary.

Posted by: kestrel_mw | March 10, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

From "Head of State"

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/03/how-obama-can-win.html

"Saturday, March 08, 2008

How Obama Can Win and Win Strong

I am aware of the delegate math.

I know that, unless the Clinton team runs roughshod with regard to superdelegates, the numbers are unassailable.

However, for Obama to not only win, but to win strong, and thus to be in the best position for the general, he must step outside of the box created when Clinton tactics were applied to his own admirable stance.

By declaring himself the candidate of the new politics, putting the politics of Rove et al. aside for a politics of honesty, straight-forward decency, and strength, he has putatively left the field open for Clinton et al. to lob innuendo after innuendo. If he responds, he is in violation of his commitment to the new; if he continues with his current path of non-response, he will be taken down by a series of attacks, that however false or fantastic, will eventually raises doubts in the mind of the electorate as to the validity of his new politics, and will, in the great viscera of the electorate, so responsive and so easily changed, appear "weak."

If he attacks, it is said, he betrays himself; if he continues on the same path, he is whittled down by rumor and insinuation.

Clinton's current strength is her ability to attack, however true the nature and content of the attacks. Obama must turn this very behavior into its own negative. To do so, Obama must relentlessly name what she is doing and anchor it--calling for an "end to the era of 'kitchen sink' politics, i.e.:

"It's about time that we left the era of "kitchen sink" politics, of distortion and insinuation, behind us. We have all seen it before this--a period where it was often difficult to tell falsehood, rumor, and misinformation from truth. It was this type of politics that contributed to a war in which we have lost the best of our national treasure, our nation's men and women. It is this type of politics that our opponents not so long ago decried. And it is this type of politics that, more than anything else, signals weakness--the inability to base one's statements and actions on the firm ground of truth, on our collective and honest dedication to the construction of a new and positive future--and instead, on a retreat into the politics of personal destruction.

It's time to take out the dirty dishes; It's time to empty the kitchen sink. After an era where it was often difficult to distinguish fantasy from truth, it's time to put that era behind us, to base our future efforts on a strong and honest desire to build a new and better future."

What Obama can create is his own "There you go again" moment--one that will both define Clinton (after all, someone has to do it), and place the Clinton camp in their very own box, of their own making: A box where any attack will immediately be associated in the voter's mind, and will be accompanied by a roll of the voter's eyes, as another example of Clinton's "kitchen sink" politics--of the chaotic, inconsistent, contradictory and frantic willingness to say or do anything to be elected, be it the changing of one's personality, tone, degree of honesty--or one's degree of tolerance or gusto for the politics of personal destruction.

Without a single attack, this demonstrates the nature of the Clinton camp: in a moment of crisis, and in danger of loss, rather than respond with strength, principle and authority, they throw the "kitchen sink" at the issue, abandoning principles and frantically strewing innuendo as they do so.

With powerful moral force, it names exactly what the Clinton camp is doing, and anchors it both to the politics of the past Administration, and to the very political tactics that Clinton herself has denounced and disavowed. It provides direct evidence--thus far, the only direct evidence--of how a Clinton Administration would likely govern in times of chaos, crisis, and other "3 a.m. moments" (thus disempowering her already shaky claims to superior foreign policy judgment): With a "kitchen sink" approach of tumultuous, changing, disorganized and contradictory attack, rather than with consistent purpose and moral authority.

Obama must persistently name what the Clinton camp is doing rather than complain, and he must then link it to the very essence of an old politics that has been lived through by all of us, and denigrated by most, over the past 8 years.

Thus named, and thus defined, Obama can then invite Clinton up to the higher ground--to a debate based on policy and principle--or she can choose to stay in the box that she and her camp have created.

Cite:

Head of State

http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/03/how-obama-can-win.html

Posted by: Robert Hewson | March 10, 2008 9:36 AM

Posted by: pwalterkumar | March 10, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Hillary hasn't even finished filling out the job application yet.

Tax returns please, and full disclosure on the Clinton pardons and Clinton Library contributions.

The American people deserve to know who the Clinton's owe big favors to before we make our choice.

Posted by: doctorvandermast | March 10, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

*******

How to Stop Bill in the Hillary White house which could mostly be woman as they are voting?

*******

OR IS IT THE WILL OF VOTER ?

IS HE ALREADY PRE-SCREENING in the Primaries?

Do you want the WORLD To know once again that you VOTED for "IT"?

Posted by: kkinbox | March 10, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I would agree that Obama should decline the VP spot, in the event that Hillary swindles her way into the nomination. We've all seen how much help they were for their VP the last time. If memory serves, Bill was seen as a liability in the 2000 campaign, not because of any official WH policy, but because of his antics. Obama is wise to stay far, far away from the Clintons. This is one moderate Republican who's looking forward to a Obama vs. McCain race, and two decent choices to pick from. If Hillary gets the nom, I'm mailing in my ballot early for McCain.

Posted by: grey256 | March 10, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Hillary HAS ???

She copied Obama's Senate VOTING !!!

If she has experience and Obama doesn't,
I BEG you to explain why you voted exactly same?

She is only fishing for FOOLS. If you are, please VOTE Hillary.

If you are American, VOTE at your Will.

Posted by: kkinbox | March 10, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

I think Hillary would be more comfortable
with McCain as a running mate on the
Republican ticket: then she could shmooze
with Lieberman.

Posted by: ocmpaul | March 10, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Anyone read "TimeQuake" by Kurt Vonnegut?

Whenever I see stories showing people going to the polls in the 2008 Democratic race, I can't help but think of seeing Kurt Vonnegut's ghost standing on the street corner yelling "Free will!! Free will!!!".

Posted by: steveboyington | March 10, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"Obama: I'm No V.P."

He certainly isn't! And his Afro-American Islamic loyalties tell us he's no president either. Can you imagine a president who is unwilling to do the pledge of allegiance? Who is way more supportive of Islamists over Jewish or Christian? Shouldn't his loyalties be for the country he will need to take an oath to support?

What this does tell us though is "How presidential is Clinton if she is willing to suggest this guy should be a VP?" It is the one substantial point I've ever heard Oboma make.

Posted by: jring2 | March 10, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama never called Hillary a liar. What he has done, appropriately so, is challenge the veracity of her statements. It sounds like splitting hairs, but there is a difference.

But I will call Hillary Clinton a liar any day because she is one. She's outrageous. And I say that as a lifelong Democrat who would most likely not vote in the fall if she's on the ticket, because for the first time in my life, I feel my party would not be honestly represented.

Posted by: OneForAll | March 10, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

There is so much hatered and negativity in the Obama camp and his supporters that I wonder just how will he unite the Democratic Party let alone the entire country.

I have never seen such hateful comments from political operatives. I hope they tone down their remarks and remain civil and respectable to other candidate in the field. I don't think they will gain any more respecat for their candidate Mr. Obama by being abusive.

Posted by: jainpa | March 10, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

You should try writing Hillary speeches. It's getting easier by the minute.

Mississippi loss: Too many proud blacks

Wyoming caucus: Caucus are very undemocratic except in states like NH where I won.

Texas primacaucus: Delegate results are still being counted and even though Obama will win more delegates, I should keep telling voters "I won Texas!!"

Eliot Spitzer's support: His superdelegate vote should count since he's innocent until semen evidence is provided.

FL and MI primaries: So what if governors and their voters broke the rule. If they can't revote, how do I have another crack at the nomination?

Pledge delegates: They aren't legally pledged and should be free to vote for however they want.

Superdelegates: They should exercise their own judgement instead of listening to the will of the people.

Posted by: bdn70 | March 10, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

The GOP also lost two Senate candidates today in Iowa and South Dakota: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2008/03/gop-loses-potential-senate-candidates.html

Posted by: campaigndiaries | March 10, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

"By the way, I do wish Sen Obama would quit calling Sen Clinton a liar."

If she'd stop lying about him, he wouldn't call her a liar.

Posted by: bsimon | March 10, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Way to go Barack! The second place-first place line is just priceless. The more Hillary and her people continue to talk about this VP nonsense, the more arrogant they look. Hillary doesn't seem to like losing and seems to plan on trying to take down the party with her. If there was any doubt that Obama is the one for the job, then this just underlines it. Being in second place and offering the first place guy the VP job? What could be sillier or more insulting? Obama is running against John McLosin' now. Hillary's time is clearly done.

Posted by: twkmbh | March 10, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Whether or not Obama becomes the VP is besides the point -- the mocking tone of he and his campaign towards the VP slot is uncalled for, fairly ignorant and very juvenile.

The fact of the matter is that all Obama has going for himself is a bunch of jingos, soundbites and no political record at all to stand on -- over 25+ years in politics and no political record?? Something seriously wrong there.

Yet they are using the media to sell him as some sort of Johnny-come-lately when in fact he's been in politics for much too long not to have a political record.

Posted by: kec132 | March 10, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Its going to be several months before the Democrats are able to seriously discuss VP options. Any discussions now are merely campaign strategy unfolding.

McCain, however, is going to be announcing his pick pretty soon. Two names are being tossed around from Minnesota and Florida. Both possible running mates are environmentally friendly too.

http://www.greenpieceblog.com/2008/03/mccains-environmentalist-vp.html

Posted by: crumbrye1 | March 10, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Bill and Hillary are officially "on glue." Thanks, but no thanks!
I can't wait till this is all settled and Obama can start working for those he REPRESENTS, the people.

Posted by: ray | March 10, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I do wish Sen Obama would quit calling Sen Clinton a liar. It's inappropriate and short sighted.

Yes, inappropriate, short sighted and true. He really should follow Clinton's lead and just lie his way to the nomination.

Posted by: RyanMcC1 | March 10, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I do wish Sen Obama would quit calling Sen Clinton a liar. It's inappropriate and short sighted.

Yes, inappropriate, short sighted and true. He really should follow Clinton's lead and just lie his way to the nomination.

Posted by: RyanMcC1 | March 10, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

You're no Senator either, Quota Boy.

You shoulda stayed in Kenya or Indonesia where your sort of crap is the norm.

Posted by: hillaryclintonspenis | March 10, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Good point Logan6.

Such as these phone records of Hillary as first lady:

http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/item.php?&itemid=503389

Posted by: davidmwe | March 10, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

The Klinton Kamp is claiming that Obama hasn't passed some imaginary threshold they just made up. (Obama is more experienced than Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt when they took office)

Last time I checked, there are REAL requirements for the presidency, and Obama fits them comfortably.

"No person except a natural born Citizen shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States."

Natural born citizen... Check. 35 years old... Check. 14 years resident... Check.

-Congratulations, Mr. Obama! You pass!
...However, Mrs. Clinton, we need to talk about the 24th amendment...

Posted by: scharb | March 10, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons are using weapons of mass distractions in order to not face the music; the release of their records (tax returns, White House records, list of big donors for their foundation, etc.). The release of these documents will highlight new scandals and make Hillary Clinton radio-active as candidate. The Clintons should be pressured to release these records as soon as possible since this is in the interest of most democrats, independents and moderate republicans; if Hillary is the nominee and these scandals pop up after the nomination, then McCain will be the next president.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 10, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

There is no chance that Obama would be the Clinton's VP choice. Clinton would need the traditional attack dog VP candidate. Obama is above such nonsense. If by some miracle, Clinton is the nominee then Obama would be well served to run against John McCain in 2012.

As we saw this weekend with the election of Bill Foster in the former Republican Speaker's district, Obama will do great things for the Democratic Party across the country. If Clinton is the nominee, then Foster should not bother signing a long-term lease on an apartment.

Posted by: owherald | March 10, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I do wish Sen Obama would quit calling Sen Clinton a liar. It's inappropriate and short sighted.

Posted by: zukermand | March 10, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Clinton-Spitzer '08!!! Wait... think that's a pipe dream now too. It's a shame because Bill and Elliot got on so well together. They were like two peas in the pod. Well, Super Delegate Spitzer can still vote for Hillary. Can he? Does anyone wanna bet that Hillary will still ask for Spitzer's superdelegate vote to count, even if he resigns??!!

Posted by: AB68 | March 10, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Mr Slevin could do us all a favor and try to pretend he's a professional journalist.

On the whole, I believe this "Trail" blog has significantly undermined the credibility of the Post's political reporting team. Not all new and exciting things are good, you know.

Posted by: zukermand | March 10, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I definitely support Hillary for president, but don't think Obama could be her Vice President nor could she be his. I could be wrong but there is no happy medium in this race. It will end in a deep divide for Democrats.

Posted by: lynnellingw | March 10, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

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