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Obama Not Ready to Cede Pennsylvania

By Shailagh Murray
The April 22 Pennsylvania primary poses a tricky challenge for Sen. Barack Obama. Downplay the contest and the risk is a blowout by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. But if the Illinois senator campaigns hard there and Clinton still wins handily, a loss could be tougher to spin.

David Axelrod, Obama's chief political strategist, told reporters on a conference call this morning that the campaign would go all out to win the Keystone State. "We are gong to contest vigorously in Pennsylvania," he said. "We're going to be running a full campaign."

Obama heads tomorrow to Monaca, Pa., west of Pittsburgh, and then to Scranton, where he will address an Irish women's group. Both are located in the heart of Clinton territory. The state's older, blue-collar voter base skews against Obama, but another problem is Pennsylvania's relatively strict participation rules. Primary voters must register as Democrats as of March 24, nearly a full month before election day. Obama is running radio ads in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia to urge students, independents and Republicans -- three key constituencies to keep the race close -- to register as Democrats before the deadline.

"She does have a lot of advantages and we recognize that," said Axelrod." "We know we have an uphill fight
there. But we're going to fight for every vote and every delegate." Obama reportedly told a group of donors earlier this week that losing Pennsylvania by 10 points or less would be a "victory."

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Posted by: ELPIDIO GONZÁLEZ ROMERO | May 4, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

So often I've heard the arument that Clinton is strong when she is behind and drops the ball when she is ahead. If this this true, what will she do if she wins the nomination and ultimately the election. I don't want a President who needs to be behind to be effective and, alternatively, drops the ball when he's ahead. I also don't wnat a president that seems to morph for the situation or re-creates herself for the moment. She's free to continue running. But, she can expect to lose even more votes as a result of her poor judgment. My sense is she knows this and can't seem to stop herself.

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emmergency red right for all usa persons to want to drive usa to prosperity further and further beyond racial color of origin. we see barack hussein Obama possibly a most well known beyond bin laden as a person in islamic history of all time. But u s born obama almost rised in comfort and privileges than 50% white majority like clinton coupe bill and hillary easily cmparable to harvard educated lawyers,; The obama a legendary 1/2 black and other half (1/2) white born has been trying to reincarnate himself as a white jfk aor black martin luther kingjr . He isnothing he can prove himself. Obama has had no stedy faith in islam so hr converted to black christian faith wherin he learnt how to behave like oppressed aerican_african who though partly oppressed. but obama was no close to oppressed, before or now.He is harvard educated lawyer u s senator ,who grabed 1.6 million $ house for own dwelling bought in a series of sweat_heart economic deal with an ex power broker, now in jail and awaiting trial for corruption etc etc. Obama the self inflicted hero of people of USA went with theme for 20 years in association with rev right with later's theme to destroy white america. nonwhite right as a clergy had freedom to announe religious views of chuch in combination of free speech of usa. He spoke for oppressed blacks, which genuinely might have existed in ancient usa or now. But harvard educated 1/2 black might know the USA civilization as is prosperous is due to egergy, brain, hard work , dedications of white generation of two centuries & over. Som superiority of white as a most civilized race can not be denied bypoorest , oppressed black orany racial person white or non white or other races of people. Oprressions are evil ways of civilizations:whites may not be blamed to 100%. Oriental indians are no whites but many hindu leaders of raced people are oppressive to poorer pople, racial minorities, kashmiries who wanted self determinations or rule and region as kashmir. Under the circumstances obamas associations over 20 years with oppressd clergy and his associates who wanted to destroy usa is close to blinf islamic cleric comparable to obama, the oraratory magician and self described look_wise , not look_wise, martin muther king of white jfk or some day he would pose himself as south african black leader or a late mahatma Gandhi of india. We the people do not have a betterchoice than dump you obama for now, and pl get lost, may not be for ever to try to become u s President 2008. but until u prove yourself as a patriot_proof U S american, not only oratory MAGICIAN of usa at the current times of turmoil in democracy or jungle democracy ( in part, usa is possibly a best democracy worldwide. These are themes expressed by the rev dr kamal karna roy a clean u s american who wished to be president and still hopeful but may wait 3/4 birth in usa for self to attainu spresidency without complaints and destroying usa for any any eason comparably those of obama, a now_fake patriot of a patriot in making, hopfully not by magic. rported by assistants, volunteers of poor clergy on vow of poverty,irs rule.viz rev p roy das, rev lisa alston chief ,campaign,andreleased to we the people in usa and us media and all news media world wide.

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emmergency red right for all usa persons to want to drive usa to prosperity further and further beyond racial color of origin. we see barack hussein Obama possibly a most well known beyond bin laden as a person in islamic history of all time. But u s born obama almost rised in comfort and privileges than 50% white majority like clinton coupe bill and hillary easily cmparable to harvard educated lawyers,; The obama a legendary 1/2 black and other half (1/2) white born has been trying to reincarnate himself as a white jfk aor black martin luther kingjr . He isnothing he can prove himself. Obama has had no stedy faith in islam so hr converted to black christian faith wherin he learnt how to behave like oppressed aerican_african who though partly oppressed. but obama was no close to oppressed, before or now.He is harvard educated lawyer u s senator ,who grabed 1.6 million $ house for own dwelling bought in a series of sweat_heart economic deal with an ex power broker, now in jail and awaiting trial for corruption etc etc. Obama the self inflicted hero of people of USA went with theme for 20 years in association with rev right with later's theme to destroy white america. nonwhite right as a clergy had freedom to announe religious views of chuch in combination of free speech of usa. He spoke for oppressed blacks, which genuinely might have existed in ancient usa or now. But harvard educated 1/2 black might know the USA civilization as is prosperous is due to egergy, brain, hard work , dedications of white generation of two centuries & over. Som superiority of white as a most civilized race can not be denied bypoorest , oppressed black orany racial person white or non white or other races of people. Oprressions are evil ways of civilizations:whites may not be blamed to 100%. Oriental indians are no whites but many hindu leaders of raced people are oppressive to poorer pople, racial minorities, kashmiries who wanted self determinations or rule and region as kashmir. Under the circumstances obamas associations over 20 years with oppressd clergy and his associates who wanted to destroy usa is close to blinf islamic cleric comparable to obama, the oraratory magician and self described look_wise , not look_wise, martin muther king of white jfk or some day he would pose himself as south african black leader or a late mahatma Gandhi of india. We the people do not have a betterchoice than dump you obama for now, and pl get lost, may not be for ever to try to become u s President 2008. but until u prove yourself as a patriot_proof U S american, not only oratory MAGICIAN of usa at the current times of turmoil in democracy or jungle democracy ( in part, usa is possibly a best democracy worldwide. These are themes expressed by the rev dr kamal karna roy a clean u s american who wished to be president and still hopeful but may wait 3/4 birth in usa for self to attainu spresidency without complaints and destroying usa for any any eason comparably those of obama, a now_fake patriot of a patriot in making, hopfully not by magic. rported by assistants, volunteers of poor clergy on vow of poverty,irs rule.viz rev p roy das, rev lisa alston chief ,campaign,andreleased to we the people in usa and us media and all news media world wide.

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WHY NO OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT U S 2008 IF ELECTION BE HELD ON TIME , NOV 4, 2008 ALTHOUGH 24 U S D COURT PETITIONS AT VARIOUS U S D COURT JURISDICTIONS FROM OFF SHORE STATE HAWAII AT HONOLULU TO MAINE U S D C WERE FILED BY THE REVEREND DR KAMAL KARNA KARUNA ROY AN U S M B A FROM SUNY MARITIME COLLEGE 1974 ID 578 80 4399 PH. D (MANAGEMENT)D . D (DOCTORATE DEGREE IN DIVINITY, ll. b (LAW FROM ACCREDITED FOREIGN SCHOOLS, & ADVANCED DIPLOMA OF ACCOMPLISHMENT FROM U S D A gRADUATE SCHOOL AT WASHINGTON D C 1972 ID 578 80 4399; AUTHOR OF BOOKS IN MANAGEMENT SCIENCE AND RELIGIONS GOD/S AND PEOPLE IN DEMOCRACIES INCLUDING MOST JUNGLE DEMOCRACIES; A REPUBLICAN HOPEFUL AND A MR CLEANEST TO MR CLEAN GOP CANDIDATE HOPEFULLY BE NOMINATED V JOHN MCCAIN WHO IS RIDDLED WITH CORRUPTION ALLEGATIONS AGAINST FOR INFLUENCE PEDALLING SENATOR TO PROMOTE PAXTON BUSINESS INTERESTS WHICH WERE PENDING WITH FEDERAL COMMUNICATION DEPT BUT MCCAIN VOUCHED EXPEDITED ACTION BY ABUSING SENATORIAL POWER AND INFLUENCE WHICH WAS A FELONY CHARGE AS MCCAIN USED MIDDLE AGED FEMALE BEAUTY AS SECONDARY METH OF PASTTIME AND PURSUITS IN HIS ELDERLY AGE YOUTH PERHAPS GONE,SO HE USED COMPANIONSHIP OF SART WOMAN WHO WAS NOT SO YOUTHFUL BUT ENJOYABLE FEMALE BEAUTY OF SOME KIND:COURT CASES WERE FILED TO OPEN F B I INVESTIGATION WITH COMPLAINT OF WE THE PEOPLE REPRESENTED BY AGGRIEVED U S PATRIOT THAT U S COURT ISSUE NONBINDING SUGGESTIVE ORDER FOR U S SENATE FLOOR HEARING OF FELONY ISSUE AS IF MCCIN GOT INTO WHITE HOUSE BUT LATER CHARGED AND CONVICTED OF INFLUENCECE PEDALLING ALLEGATION AGAINT SEXUAL ADVENTURE, FREE USE OD LUXURY AIRCRAFT WITH SMART LOOKING AND WELL BEHAVED LOBBYIST WITH REPEATED AND OCCASIONAL FEMALE COMPANIONSHIP; THE FACTS IF PROOVED MCCAIN MY HAVE TO TRANSFER FROM THE WHITE HOUSE COMPLEX TO SMALL CELLED CORRECTION HOUSE, THAT IS WHAT LAW PROFIDE. DR ROY WANTED TO CLOSE THE EVENT IF U S SENATE SAYS THE WROGDOING OF MCCAIN MAY NOT BE WORTH JAIL TIME AND OFFENCE WAS NO OFFENCE BUT THE EVENTS WERE REGULAR MAN_WOMAN FANTASSY WHICH WAS TOLERABLE IN EYE OF LAWS.
OMMENTS WERE REPACKAGED FROM STATEMENTS IN PRINT AND PUBLISHED ON WEB, BY THE REV MRS JOLLYDAS ET AL AND REISSUED WITH CONSENT OF CANDIDAT DR ROY, REPUBLICAN HOPEFUL FOR THE PRESIDEJJNCY.




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JUNGLE DEMOCRATIC EVENTS AS NARRATED BY THE REVEREND DR KAMAL KARNA KARUNA ROY AKA JOSEPH GERONIMO JR AS RELEASED BY THE CANDIDATE ROY ON 2. 24 2008 MORNING IN NEW YORK CITY WHICH ARE ABSOLUTELY RELEVANT TO TH TOPIC ABOVE AND BELOW NOTED AND REPACKAGED BY THE REVEREND MR pREMANSU R DAS . THE IN CHARGE OF DEMOCRATIC EVENTS AROUND THE WORLD WITH SPECIALIST . NOW REV P DA IS VISITING AT SRINAGAR, HABRA, 24 PARGANAS, WEST BENGAL, INDIA AS SUPERINTENDANT OF REVOLUTIONARY CHANGES ANTICIPATED IN u s a AND AROUND GLOBE IN POLITICAL FIELDS AS VISIONARY OF LIVES OF NEW DEMOCRATIC REPUBLICS IN USA ET AL. HIS ASSOCIATE IN MISSION IS REV MS JOLLY DAS , THE COORDINATOR OF WOMEN GROUPSIN ELECTORAL COMPETITION.

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PARTITION HAD ITS BENEFITS IN ACHIEVING RELIGIOUS PEACE WHICH WERE DISTURBED FOR CENTURIES. iRAQ DIVISION IS SUGGESTED BY DR KAMAL KARNA ROY , A REPUBLICAN HOPEFUL FOR PRESIDENT 2008 ELECTION IF NOT SUSPENDED BY COURTS AS ELECTORAL FIELD WAS RIDDLED WITH MULTIPLE CORRUPTION TO OMIT CANDIDATES FOR SUCCESSFULLY CONTEST ELECTION BY INTERFERANCE OF NEWS MEDIA ET AL

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i hope obama climbs in the hole he climbed out of. really now folks, if gwb refuses to say the pledge, would that b acceptable to u?

now the the question, they re obviously lovers and wright will fix it for his lover

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104 (Level 1) both obama and his longtime advisor,mentor,clergy rev wright have had free expressions to speak even bitter truth in society and possibly get annoyed with systems of governance of USA.but the special position of obama a likely nominee is danger sirn to white majority et al who and their ancestors did build more passionately white is usa now at the top of development and prosperity in developed world. obama's even sentimental association with wright may not be withdrawn just becaause a b obama, a fixer, aoratory magician, how any magic can change truth of past of obama. we suppose obama leave the presidential dream for 2008 and join a vice presidential running mate of another mr/mrs clean on democrats presidential ticket, possibly not hillary clinton who is deeply drowned in corruption and controversies. The time obama may get if elected as vice president of u s may give him chance to be a proven patriot of us needs. But in 2008 obama as the presidential nominee i s danger sign for a a yet to be integrated usa. we caution usa for a bad choice as if a bad child in familial environment wished to cut his own nose, then bleed to die. Obama may get a second chance in future, he is younger than many others to wait for his chance to be u s president but he needed to prove that he changed his views on usa, still the best place to live in.Mail Search the web Welcome, nidhu1231

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obama character may be flawd as his speech is not ability defined rather is close to failures as he inherits no experiences to support his dream hoisting to we the people:

Posted By: CANDIDATE_REPUBLICAN @ 03/03/2008 10:05:01 PM

Comment: TRIANGLE OF JUNGLE DEMOCRACIES USA TO PAISTAN TO RSSIA UJDER PUTIN TO USA. JUNGLES ARE DEEP FOREST BUT GREENS ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT OF SHADE. OTHER JUGLES ARE DEEPLY OF CONCERN TO PEOPLE. bUT WE THE PEOPLE MUST BRING TO EQUITY IN JUSTICE,LEADERSHIP AND OPTIMUM PRIVILEGES TO MOST SOONER THE BETTER, SAID DR THE REVEREND KAMAL KARNA ROY , A MR CLEAN FOR U S PRESIDECY 2008 AS SCHEDULED, BUT MAY NOT BE HELD WITH U S DISTRICT COURT INTERVENTIONS AS PROVIDED IN U S CONSTITUTION AND OTHER LAWS OF U S. REPORTED BY REV MR PREMANGHU ROY DAS EFORMS AGENT IN DEMOCRACIES WORLD WIDE IN NEED OF REDELOPMENT. SEE BELOW

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Comment: TRIANGLE OF JUNGLE DEMOCRACIES USA TO PAISTAN TO RSSIA UJDER PUTIN TO USA. JUNGLES ARE DEEP FOREST BUT GREENS ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT OF SHADE. OTHER JUGLES ARE DEEPLY OF CONCERN TO PEOPLE. bUT WE THE PEOPLE MUST BRING TO EQUITY IN JUSTICE,LEADERSHIP AND OPTIMUM PRIVILEGES TO MOST SOONER THE BETTER, SAID DR THE REVEREND KAMAL KARNA ROY , A MR CLEAN FOR U S PRESIDECY 2008 AS SCHEDULED, BUT MAY NOT BE HELD WITH U S DISTRICT COURT INTERVENTIONS AS PROVIDED IN U S CONSTITUTION AND OTHER LAWS OF U S. REPORTED BY REV MR PREMANGHU ROY DAS EFORMS AGENT IN DEMOCRACIES WORLD WIDE IN NEED OF REDELOPMENT. SEE BELOW

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the struggle to achieve such status is long overdue and we received parts of success, noteworthy but not to meet universal acceptable standards. comment by the rev dr kamal karna roy , a u s presidential gop candidate and hopeful to be nominated mr clean republican president for election 2008 ua ;repackaged by the re mrs Jolly das of SRINAGAR, OFFICES Of world religions group secretary rev mr Premanshu r das

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Posted by: mondoldipali12 | March 24, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I hope the union workers of PA don't forget Hillary Clinton's "fight for the working man" when she was on the board of Wal-Mart in Arkansas.

Clinton Silent As Wal-Mart Railed Against Unions

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Posted by: tokyoboe-online | March 24, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I have a thought for those on this thread who continue to chant that the Democrats will suffer a great defeat in November.

Perhaps you need to take a moment and look around at our country.

When I look around, here are a few things that I see:

* A continuing war in Iraq that has cost our nation nearly 4,000 young kids killed (17 more dead so far in March), and moreover nearly 25,000 wounded - many, many of them grievously wounded. Patreaus can tamp down violence - but when do we win?

* A continuing war in Iraq that is costing our treasury about 10 BILLION dollars each and every month with many other hidden costs, including the incalculable loss of our respect and honor in the world community.

* An attenuated effort in Afghanistan - curtailed by the drain on our armed forces and treasury of an ill-conceived and hopelessly mismanaged effort in Iraq.

* A housing mortgage collapse that is driving down the value of all of our homes - for most of us our homes are our greatest investment and we are losing money everyday.

* A credit market collapse that dwarfs the mortgage industry problems and is threatening the very foundation of our capitalist society - here and among our allies. Today with the $30 BILLION underwriting of Bear Stearns - the Fed takes another step towards the cliff.

* Gasoline prices at the pump predicted to rise past $4.60 per gallon by the end of May.

* Tens of thousands of workers losing their jobs every month and the nation teetering on the edge of a very serious recession which will bring hundreds of thousands of layoffs and industry closures.

Furthermore, take a moment and look around. Examine the total voter turnout in the 40 primary and caucus states who have cast ballots thus far. -- Notice anything?

I've noticed an overwhelming number of new voters and "recovered" voters rising from their "couches" and making the trek to the polls to cast a vote.

They are voting Democratic by more than a 2 to 1 majority. Why? George W. Bush. Here is a quote from this very newspaper - yesterday:

"It's no mystery," said Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.). "You have a very unhappy electorate, which is no surprise, with oil at $108 a barrel, stocks down a few thousand points, a war in Iraq with no end in sight and a president who is still very, very unpopular. He's just killed the Republican brand."

Well you chorus - just you wait for John McCain !!!

My friends - the old Republican warrior has once again accepted the challenge to serve his country -- and he will throw himself on the grenade of the George W. Bush legacy. But he knows, and we know that he will not win the Presidency. And, the Republicans know that huge majorities in both houses of Congress will go to the Democrats.

November 2008 is going to be an electoral disaster for the Republican Party - thanks in the most part to the guidance of Dick Cheney, the ineptitude of Don Rumsfield, and the blind stubbornness of their "boss" - the Dunce of D.C.

We are going to have a Democrat in the White House and huge majorities of Democrats in both houses of the Congress.

And, they will face the most God-awful mess that this country has seen since the Great Depression.

So - to all the angry Bush apologists watching this disaster slowly unfold before your eyes - you are now experiencing what we felt when the neo-cons duped the dope into invading Iraq. You had better take a deep breath and try to figure how you are going to survive the next 16 years -- because in your hearts.... you KNOW THIS -- you are going to do it with a Democrat in the Oval Office.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | March 18, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Desperate Hillary supporter number 200?

She lost, get over it.
She's not gonna get the VP post she's been begging for this way.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 17, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

I am looking forward to watch Obama's address tomorrow. I am sure he will lie again, he said he never heard Wright's anti-white and anti-America sermon during 20 years. Obama's supporters wake up, you will see more from now on. Obama should take off his mask, the sooner the better. It is nonsense to vote him for the President, Media's Obama bias is responsible for our Country's future.

Posted by: kreisch | March 17, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

You know what I'd like to hear more about?
The statements of the black preachers where Bill Clinton has attended mass.
Any leads out there?
Is it worth the trouble now that Hillary can't hope to catch up to Obama?

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 17, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

It couldn't be true, you mean Hillary is opposed to pledging allegiance to the US flag because the US senate voted to impeach her husband? And she's attacking Obama's Christian preacher because she's against such Christianity that would consider Bill's behavior in the white-house sinful?

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 17, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

You know what's brilliant about the way Obama has been beating Hillary to an unsurmountable lead? He didn't just do it in a way that helped him in the primary, it helps him in the general election exactly the same way.

He remains in the position of facing a pro-iraq war old has-been in the general election that nobody really wants to vote for (and I actually think McCain is not so bad!)...

But then again, nobody liked Hillary, and McCain is at least more popular than her and even the far-right will unite behind him. Hillary had no such luxury, she had to rely on the old-school feminist vote and in the "old" vote in general... and she's still in an unenviable position of having to win 70% in every state to (maybe lots of people will start being happy with the old washington politics-as-usual and stop disliking hillary so much).

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 17, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Do you want a president who:
Does not wear an American Flag Pin because....?
Does not show respect to the American National Anthem?
Attends a church that that supports hate for America?
Has a mentor and pastor who preaches hope for what he calls God Damb America?
Whose big mouth wife has never felt proud of America until now that many dammies are supporting her husband?
I DO NOT. DO YOU? I hope I am not alone because I am very proud of becoming an American.

Posted by: rosalynneus | March 17, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Do I want a President who:
Does not wear the American Flag Pin?
Does not show any respect to the American National Anthem?
Attends a church that condems American?
Has a mentor and pastor that preaches hate and hope at the same time?
Whose has never felt proud of her country until now that many dammies support her husband?
Did not support the war with Iraq because he did not wanted to go against his brothers?
NO I DO NOT. I WISH I AM NOT ALONE!

Posted by: rosalynneus | March 17, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

You know, I have a photo here of the Clintons posing with Mr. Rezko. Clearly this relationship is problematic and she should drop out of the race for the good of the party.

Posted by: presto668 | March 17, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

It will be interesting to see how many republicans change their party affiliation beofre the 24th to vote for Clinton to continue the idea of causing the candidates to fight more. In the recent elections up to 3% were voting just for that reason. Is that enough to cause the democrates to stop and think. Obama needs to win in areas where he can counter the delegate count in areas she may win. I am not worried about the popular vote as long as he keeps the delgate vote close in Penn.

Posted by: robertguinto | March 17, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

While attending Sunday services at the largest UCC denomination in the country that yes espoused liberation theology, Mr. Obama was teaching law at the University of Chicago, THE most conservative of the top tier law schools in the US. Before then, of course, he was the president of HLS's review - the law school review that has probably accounted for most of our current federal judges, most of whom are quite conservative. I'm certain that he has forged many close personal and professional relationships with many these conservative colleagues. That doesn't make him a neo-conservative.

In short, Mr. Obama has clearly allowed himself to be exposed to the breadth of American thinking, from neo-conservative thought to black liberation theory. Honestly, after 8 years of a president who prides himself on his utter incuriousness, why in god's name is that so bad.

Posted by: orbitcv | March 17, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Well, for the last month or so, the press has seemed to play along with the Clinton campaign spin as to which states were most important to win (the ones she was favored in) and which ones were insignficant (the ones she had no chance to win). And this even though Obama's delegate margin was larger with his wins in some of those smaller states, as they were in Clinton's big state wins.

So since this is going to be decided by Super Delegates no matter what, it comes down to spin and managing expectations. So I think that's what Obama is doing here.

He walked into Texas and Ohio trailing by nearly 20 in both places and in 4 weeks ended up losing by 3 and 10 respectively. He has a little more time in PA, but trails by a similar margin. So his campaign will spin a loss of less than 10 points as a win.

Posted by: jetrain | March 17, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Keep up trashing the evil white man. That's a good platform. When the polls show Obama dropping by over 20 points come on back and tell us some more crap.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | March 17, 2008 02:26 PM

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Sort of like the crap you and your ilk have been saying for the last eight years? Did you hear that Bush thinks the economy is okay? Yeah, you McCainiacs got a grip on reality - thanks for the McCain/Bush hugs and the spin on Iraq - political commercials are ready...

Posted by: LABC | March 17, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

We will fight them on the beaches.

We will fight them in the woods amongst the pheasants.

We will never surrender - Obama asks us all to do our parts to win Pennsylvania!

Pottstown Represents!

Posted by: WillSeattle | March 17, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has thick calves. Ewwwwwww.

Posted by: carjackerdude | March 17, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Funny how the Ferraro story was 24/7 even after she stepped down, not much about the Rev since Friday's revelation. SNL's Hillary skit was snot so far off.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | March 17, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are the kool-aid drinkers. Yeah, right. Idiots, meet the mirror.

Posted by: elroy1 | March 17, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Okay...those of you who say that Hillary Clinton is not ready for the job day one..please take a moment to go to your local bookstore and pick up a copy of "Living History". I can not tell you just how much this book is a great resume for her! Hillary is incredible. This is coming from a white male in the good old south! People wake up! Hillary is change..haven't men been being president since day one? It would be nice to have a whole new perspective to look out on in our history...give all the people in the world a chance to inspire to be president one day...even little girls deep in the south in a land called Mississippi!

Posted by: mikelbuz | March 17, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama and his kool-aid drinking supporters need to just go away. Why don't you all look into the Tony Rezko mess, and how Obama's Rev. Wright hates whites and jews and others, if you all are so blind to follow this hateful Obama, then you all get what you deserve. Obama is nothing but a crook and a lier, and a follower, everything Hillary Clinton does he follows. Here he is living in a $1.6 million dollar mansion and trying to pass his self off like he has nothing, he has more than a lot of his supporters, and I bet you will never be invited to his big mansion, yet you still give money to help his cause, which is his self. Don't worry about what Hillary is doing, tell us what you are going to do for this country, what are YOUR PLANS!!!!!! Lier, Lier, pants on fire. hillaryspeaksforme.com, taylormarsh.com. And HillaryClinton.com

Posted by: ladynite54 | March 17, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry...we WILL nominate Senator Obama and he will go on to beat the piss out of the latest tired old white man that the barbarians have nominated...

Posted by: kase | March 17, 2008 01:58 PM
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Keep up trashing the evil white man. That's a good platform. When the polls show Obama dropping by over 20 points come on back and tell us some more crap.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | March 17, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

rat-the-
Don't worry...we WILL nominate Senator Obama and he will go on to beat the piss out of the latest tired old white man that the barbarians have nominated...

Posted by: kase | March 17, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I saw this
ABC = anybody but clinton
I will put this
ABCDM = anybody but clinton dominate mccain!!

Posted by: leesjeweler45265 | March 17, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

The over talked about issue about who should the nominee of the democratic party to me looks like this as given hereunder :

Madame Clonton is the represenattive of half of the population in tems of the female gebder.

She is the first woman who has come so close to the nomination.
Mr. Baraka Obama gender has monopolised the presidency throught out the history of the presidency till date.
If at all because he is of other color than white we could as well talk about the minority communities whose overall percentage of the population is more than Afro American Community.
Another thing that i dislike most is the fact that Afro American community has almost monolithically voted for Mr. Obama why ? is it because of the color or on merit but if it is on merit it can not be such that remind me of the past years of the hey day of communism when the officialk candidate sued to secure in the same range as Mr. Onbama got in Missisipi 90 - 98 %. Is not that a racism of some kind may be we could call it color racism or afro american racism.
At last the representative of half of the globe on the gender basis Madame Clinton is soi close to the nomination why is the gentlperson Mr. Obama not ceding to her & wait for another chance while he can accept VP & gain the exposure & the experience as well as help make the history of its iwn kind.I wish in the end this will happen & my very best wishes to both the candidates.
Er. Ram Bahadur K.C./ from The Land Mt. Everest/ The Land Of Buddha/ Kathmandu, Nepal.

Posted by: kcengg | March 17, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

The intensity of the comments on here just led me to leave this simple message. United we stand, divided we fall. Which candidate YOU FEEL will really work at unifying America, continue to listen to the common citizen, has mentioned doing so in their campaign? Not trying to sway you all in any direction but if WE, the citizens of these United States of America, the true STAKEHOLDERS get it wrong AGAIN . . . four more years! Four more years, four more years! Do we want four more years of what we just went through? We got one shot in November to get it right. Are we finally ready to go in the direction that the constitution speaks of?

Posted by: ajackson3 | March 17, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Contrary to some statements above Obama seems to be good to the people of Illinois. Obama won Illinois by a larger margin than Hillary won New York. I think that says a lot.

Posted by: jerbella2008 | March 17, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I do believe that technically speaking, noone has earned presidential experience until indeed getting the presidential job. Only then does someone earn or gain the presidential experience by bearing the burdens of being president.

Noone has done that, unless I missed the option of a president course in college that some passed and others didn't.

In my opinion, two candidates are the best of the three and McCain definitely isn't it. Two are on similar issues and that's why we are for either of these particular two while McCain is completely on the opposite end of the stick with his own agendas. That'd make no sense to me to vote for him when he's admitted to continuing Bush's nonsense. That makes absolutely no sense for me to vote for further destruction.

I love all of my fellow military men & women even though I don't know them. I respect and value their lives, given the fact they chose to sign a particular contract. My faith personally will not allow me to vote for McCain without the weight of conscience to know that my vote aided for his win to presidency, knowing they will be condemned to keep going overseas. I love them, and I respect and value their lives beyond their signed military contract, above their will to perform this kind of duty, and I will have them know that as impressed I am of their work and capabilities, I will rather they be called when it is sincerely necessary for them to go into harm's way nowadays especially. IF McCain gets it, I shall profess to the world that my vote didn't contribute to my fellow men & women being prolonged and condemned to remain overseas.

I think we need to change course, definitely. Hillary understands that, Obama understands that, and McCain doesn't.

It's embarassing for me to see that foreign citizens can see this, and American citizens here cannot. That just has me dumbfounded on this issue.

Posted by: Obama2008 | March 17, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I bet none of you pollsters can guess why Sen. Clinton isn't saying anything about the controversial Pastor Wright; well, it's because SHE IS BEHIND IT!!! That's right folks...she is very proud of all you stupid people for being so simple minded and bigoted that you would continue to concentrate on something so stupid as to use a brilliant senator's church against him. All the statements that aired were true, even if they were scary and hard for lower income, less educated white people to understand. Get over it!!!
Posted by: concerned7 | March 17, 2008 12:50 PM
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Yea that's a smart move, back up your guy by calling us dumb white folk. Obama is toast. The reality will come out when the first polls come out showing a 20-30 point drop. Good bye hope and cange.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | March 17, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

It might be too late for the story of Obama's pastor appalling rhetorics and spewed anti-American sermons to make a difference on the election. But Obama was exposed to those rants every Sunday for 20 years. This is brainwashing ... even unwillingly, it must affected his view of America. If this awful fact were known a few months ago, Americans (not just democrats) would never have voted for him. The real problem is that he will now gain the Democratic Party nomination, and our next president will be another republican -- John McCain. But hopefully, just maybe there is hope, and Pennsylvania will come big for Hillary, and becomes our savior !

Posted by: mary_nyu | March 17, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I bet none of you pollsters can guess why Sen. Clinton isn't saying anything about the controversial Pastor Wright; well, it's because SHE IS BEHIND IT!!! That's right folks...she is very proud of all you stupid people for being so simple minded and bigoted that you would continue to concentrate on something so stupid as to use a brilliant senator's church against him. All the statements that aired were true, even if they were scary and hard for lower income, less educated white people to understand. Get over it!!! and let's get back to the issues. I bet we all have people in our lives that we would rather not have to answer for, but we love them. Usually it's someone in our family. I don't know about white folks but family and friends are about all most Black people have. And we have to hold on to those we love. That shows integrity. So quit being unreasonable and go ahead and vote for the best candidate.
Obama '08

Posted by: concerned7 | March 17, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

svreader --

Given the consistently obnoxious, sleazy, and downright loathsome character of your posts, the best way for you to help your beloved Senator Clinton is to stop posting on her behalf.

Posted by: lydgate | March 17, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

While Webb would give Obama military bonafides, Richardson would give him traction with the hispanic voting bloc, but Adm. Fallon would completely destroy McCain's military platform since he recommended the opposite. I think Fallon should be Obama's choice for veep.

Posted by: jameschirico | March 17, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I am so tired of the bickering. My choice would obviously be for someone with experience. With the state of the world such as it is, I don't think a novice (Obama) is the right choice. Should he win the nomination for the Democrats. My vote will have to go Republican (McCain) for the first time in my 52 years.

Posted by: showmegirl56 | March 17, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

More NAFTA,Asia Pacific Economic Cooperative,9,300,000 H Clinton sites
concerning gun control,more US military
bases converted to prisons that both
Bush and Clintons refuse to use in their
anti-crime efforts,more Banco de Mexico
I-69 cutting through Indiana and Texas,
more Supplemental Warfunding, more IRS,
more Federal Reserve,More EU,more China,

I SAY IT'S TIME TO CHANGE THE AFORMENTIONED

Posted by: josephjsalas | March 17, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama doesn't need to 'cede' anything. He needs to do a better job avoiding going negative on Senator Clinton (as hard as that is)and keep confidently walking toward the White House.

What his pastor says is irrelevant. The hypocrites criticizing him for his pastor's words mainly sleep in their pews anyway. If they listened to 'love thy neighbor,' or 'judge not lest ye be judged' they wouldn't shout quite so loudly.

That a sleazy business main donated to his campaigns is also irrelevant. If we removed every office holder that accepted donations from sleazy businessmen, we would eliminate all Republicans, 99% of Democrats, and most Independents.

By the way, I think it's great that Senator Obama is facing the charge that he is buying the nomination by 'outspending' Senator Clinton over 2-1. I'm paying him to do that. Me and well over a million other small donors. We want him to spend the money. He's working for us.

Posted by: drcalm | March 17, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

jameschirico:

you get the nod

I wrote an extensive piece based on what you said in your last quote and it all got erased. Your statement came right on time.
It's not only in my personal opinion that people lose sight of what's most important in terms of the more serious things that directly affects us today. I believe that's what we should be focusing on instead of "he say/she say."

Posted by: Obama2008 | March 17, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Reading the infantile attacks on all the candidates makes me think Americans deserve their non functioning government. Has the horrible statements of pundits affected your lives in a significant way? Has the price of fuel, education, food, housing, war, the loss of manufacturing base, the deficit dropping the dollars value affect you? Grow up and base your choices on what affects you.

Posted by: jameschirico | March 17, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

peterdc:

you get the nod, well put

Posted by: Obama2008 | March 17, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

ABC = Anybody But Clinton.

Posted by: jamdn463 | March 17, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Collected research information tells me otherwise. Obama has made accomplishments with his shorter time served, I won't say less experience, and I am impressed with his work ethic. It shows me what he was busy working on during his time as well as his accomplishments.

He has all of the requirements needed for presidency. I was primarily Hillary first and I'm still for her. After I looked up some things on all areas even on the Republican candidates, Obama became my first choice. If he fails, Hillary's next.
Obama too has an impressive record even given his shorter time served, he's been on a foreign committee, and foreign countries have already taken to him on top of the rest of his work. Yes he's a "newer" face, but he's competent.

Posted by: Obama2008 | March 17, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Well the Clinton haters are out in force again. What else is new?

But I am thankful that the press if finally taking a good look at Obama. If he is the nominee I will vote and campaign for him. But the time has come to vet him before he becomes the nominee. I don't want to see the Democrats lose what should be ours to win, the Presidency.

Dan Balz has an interesting piece today on White men and how they will vote. Racist or not let's face the reality that some people, we don't know yet how many won't vote for a Black man and some who are sexist won't vote for a woman no matter what color. The issue is important for the Democratic party to deal with and not put our heads collectively in the sand and pretend that racism and sexism don't exist.

Then there are the real issues in the campaign that need to be discussed. Who can better deal with foreign policy and the economy.

But do deny that Barack Obama's pastoral advisor, who Obama himself said is close to his family for 20 years, married him and Michelle and baptized their children, won't impact voters is absurd. To deny that the Rezko issue won't impact voters is absurd. In the same way that pretending that the Clinton history of Whitewater and other old issues won't impact voters as well.

The difference is that the Clinton issues have been rehashed over and over whereas the Obama issues are new so they claim the headlines now. It defies belief that Obama who was close to his pastor for 20 years never heard his views.

So let's go to PA and have both Obama and Clinton campaign hard there. It is a state that counts in the general election in a way that Wyoming and Utah don't for the Democrats. Let's do the revote in Florida and Michigan, they too will count. No President is recent history has won without Florida. We definitely can't win without Michigan.

What ever the reasons for his losses in these big states Obama has to prove he can overcome them to win the Presidency or if the Democrats nominate him without knowing if he can we may be sealing our own fate in November.

Calling Bill Clintons and Geraldine Ferraro's remarks racially tinged may feel good to the Obama supporters but they are nothing compared to what will come out when he is the nominee. So let's deal with this now and see how he does- it won't go away. And just the same calling Hillary a monster and a word rhyimg with witch will go on through November if she is the nominee so she and her campaign have to deal with it as well.

I wish we lived in a perfect world - but we don't and we have to deal with the world as it is. Having Nancy Pelosi denigrate the role of Super delegates and say they should vote their constituencies- I don't think Kennedy or Kerry will do that- just makes a mockery of the Democratic Party and their method of selecting a nominee. Maybe that should be done but lets wait till after the election to do it. Remember if we had a winner take all primary system as the Republicans do Hillary would now be the nominee.

So let's pull back on either side and accept that race and gender are issues today in elections becasue unfortunately they are. Deal with it and nominate the person that can win despite this.

Posted by: peterdc | March 17, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

WORDS DO MATTER

As Barak tried to frame himself into JFK, I wonder how JFK feels about Reverend Wright, espeically after all the hard work done by the Kennedy's on civil rights. Now we see Barak is the furthest person from JFK and his philosphies. THE AUDACITY OF ARROGANCE to pretend you are for civil rights while listening for 20 YEARS to a racist bigot.

WORDS DO MATTER

"I did not know about those inflamatory statements until now"- a lie because he asked Wright to distance himself a year ago because "he knew all about those statements"

Barak accepts the Reverend Wright and his words because Ohprah Winfrey was part of this church and left "because of the rhetoric". What was she thinking when she endorsed Barak?

JUDGEMENT = i give Barak an F- on judgement for staying with his "mentor" for 20 years and not seeing how this will LOOSE the election if he is nominated.

Pitiful.

Barak lied, on TV and in his book and now the republicans have in writing and on tape his association with Reverend Wright and his lying about knowing.

Bad judgement, lying - change we can believe in?

How dare Barak treat us as if we don't know what is going on (it don't take educatin to see the writin on this wall). He acts like Bush, I am turned off.

Posted by: lndlouis | March 17, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Can't we ALL just get along.

Posted by: misewicz | March 17, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

GAME OVER.

OBAMA IS UNELECTABLE.

OBAMA NEEDS TO EXIT THE RACE ASAP TO AVOID COMPLETELY DESTROYING THE DEMS CHANCES FOR VICTORY IN NOVEMBER.

Posted by: TAH1 | March 17, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Obama2008 | March 17, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

piul05 wrote:
All in all, this is just getting rather tedious; people's choice boils down to:

A soldier who will follow orders;

a bureaucrat with a penchant for underhand tactics, or;

a natural leader who promotes active citizenship and teamwork.

Anything else is a just distraction.
..................................

Well said!

svreader: You can stop posting this stuff. We all know about this. Slumlords suck! We get it. Every politician has, or has had, a connection to some sleazy people. Clinton(s) had a bunch -- but recently Hsu, McCain had the Keating 5, and Obama had Rezko. Whoopty-doo! Tell us something we don't know.

Posted by: Independent_Thinker | March 17, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Obama has very little exp. Even in IL. his resume was boosted by the Senate leader that wanted to "make me a senator." He did work on the death penalty and ethics reform but only had one year the really get thing done as the GOP had total control most of his time there. The other bills were add ons. (that is from a real reporter who now works in Austen but was a Hyde Park guy back in the day).

I can't think of one 'bold' position he has come out with. US Senate not much - Google and a pathetic lobby reform bill.

Now his campane is in free fall. Four weeks of bad bad news. Lied about preacher man on Friday so that will keep the story going for weeks and weeks.

Posted by: mul | March 17, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

To have the Clintons use the Lee Atwater Southern Strategy in this Democratic campaign has been very, very, very, very damaging to the Democratic Party. Everyone expects it from the Republicans but basically the Clintons have given that divisive strategy their stamp of approval. The Democratic leadership has got to shut this thing down before the Clintons inflict more damage. Otherwise, the Clintons may not just bring us down in 2008 but for years to come.

Posted by: Lilly1 | March 17, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Obama came to my town and he exercised the opposite of racist ideas among a very diverse crowd, stretching across registered parties and I have him quoted, "We are family." His white family members were in the crowd as well. Would you like to see it in full??? Give me one moment.

Posted by: Obama2008 | March 17, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

When svreader and other Clintons' supporters will be able to explain why Clintons are figthing to not release their records (tax returns, White House records, list of big donors to their foundation), then I will take them serioulsly. When svreader and other Clintons' supporters will be able to align facts instead of assumptions, then I will take them serioulsly. Here are a few facts...

The Clinton foundation received recently a $31.3 million donation after Bill expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader's, undercuting both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights:

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

In january 2008, the Clintons received $20 million from business deals with Dubai in the Middle East:

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/22/bill-clinton-severs-ties-_n_82616.html

Shortly after beeing pardonned by President Clinton, fugitive financier Marc Rich had his ex-wife giving $400 000 to the Clintons library foundation:

Source: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,98756,00.html

We need facts from svreader and other Clintons' supporters, but we only have rhetorics. And we need the Clintons to release their records so Hillary can be discarded as a viable candidate for VP or even for the presidency and that we can move on to the next stage of the election with Barack and McCain.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 17, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Just when I was beginning to lose faith in the people's will to have fair judgment and exercise understanding beyond the inside of the puny box (close mindedness), rather than just going for whatever is presented by the media, using brains rather than just going with the flow digesting everything the media puts out before your eyes. I am enlightened.

I don't believe that the media put out false vids of the preacher making those statements. But the fashion the media used the preacher's statements and somehow incinuating that Obama has been brainwashed to some extent despite Obama's own upbringing and what he has been consistently doing for the past whatever amount of time and A L-O-T of evidence to go with that, doesn't add up. What the media failed to do, was give me direct evidence to show me not the preacher, but Obama in the preacher's place saying those words. Obama can't be held responsible for what someone else's chosen actions. He ultimately did no harm simply by attending that church, and all of his actions up-to-date does not suggest that he's given in to hatred.

For the record, I definitely don't want a "perfect" president, but a human president. That's as real as it gets. We all have flaws, and that's what I expect in a president. Let me go further. As for the country, I want a human president who exercises common sense and wisdom along with all the rest of the requirements needed to be president.

Posted by: Obama2008 | March 17, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I cannot believe how the CLinton supporters are now screaming racism due to statements from Obama's preacher. Obama was not there, probably does not attend church there regularly anymore because he lives in DC and has been campaigning across the country for the last several months. Also, I LOVE how evryone has forgotten the classy statements from Ms Ferraro, who was RAISING MONEY for Clinton.
Get back to the issues people, and stop being so petty. Otherwise, you ARE as stupid as the press assumes you are.

Posted by: phorse | March 17, 2008 10:59 AM
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I am going to back the democrat this fall. But to call white people racist because of fall out from Wright's statements is the same as the BS that comes from thie KKK. Hate is hate. Obama is a fake.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | March 17, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

I am amazed at the people who continue to say (and I am for either Obama or Hillary-Obama's my first choice. If either one fails, I'm in without bias for the next one to follow through), but I'm surprised at the people who continue to say Obama has no experience. I don't want to keep posting his experience, it gets boring. He has an impressive record to compare with Hillary's given their times served. We have two good candidates to choose from. I hope that Pennsylvania members are open to both candidates to make their cases and without bias or favoritism, then choose for their candidate that way. This will be interesting.

Obama or Hillary '08

Posted by: Obama2008 | March 17, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I cannot believe how the CLinton supporters are now screaming racism due to statements from Obama's preacher. Obama was not there, probably does not attend church there regularly anymore because he lives in DC and has been campaigning across the country for the last several months. Also, I LOVE how evryone has forgotten the classy statements from Ms Ferraro, who was RAISING MONEY for Clinton.
Get back to the issues people, and stop being so petty. Otherwise, you ARE as stupid as the press assumes you are.

Posted by: phorse | March 17, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

to donna.richardson

You have made a good point, I have not noticed that SVREADER never mention the Clintons !!

This reinforce my perception that individuals like this are not simply extremists and fanatics, but work for the
Hillary campaign by saturating many blogs
with their massive bombardment of Hate Nail.

Unfortunately, he is not the only one. Lets see if we can identify with enough certainty some other similar, pro Hillary, pro OBAMA or pro McCAIN, to help the Washington Post to ban them.

AND OF COURSE BE ATTENTIVE THAT IF BANNED, THEY GO NOT REAPPEAR UNDER AN OTHER NAME AMD E-MAIL ADDRESS.

Caminito

Posted by: caminito | March 17, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone bothered to find out if SVREADER is a Clinton Campaign operative? SVREADER gets more print space in the Post than some of the Post's better reporters.

Posted by: ljines1 | March 17, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

To those of you that consistently state that Obama supporters continue to support him even though he has been exposed over and over again.

I am a dedicated supporter of Obama and we need to make one thing clear. There is not a politician, pastor, minister, or person,including Hillary that has no faults at all, hopefully,you do understand that. Give it a little more time and you too will see Hillay's faults, I wonder if you will be able to handle that fact that she really isn't perfect.

There is nothing that has come out in the media on Obama that can even touch the scandals, personal and business I might add, the Clintons. If you can support a candidate that steals from the White House, lies and get their law license taken for perjury; seduces, womanize, and victimizes women, goes to NAFTA a week earlier to setup Obama, hides campaign funds, redefine rules to fit their needs, traffic drugs, and more, then surely supporting Obama is a breeze for us. Don't forget, send thousands of Americans to their deaths and feels really proud of the war, until she runs for presidency.

Any person that attempts to further divide a country by race or gender to win any political campaign, let alone a presidential seat, should be banned from America.

President Barack H. Obama 2008

Posted by: afrederick | March 17, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Forget the delegates for once, axy. Just win the popular vote in Penn and the contest is over. Finito. Kaput. Capisce?

Posted by: rupertornelius | March 17, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

If you break down every thing the Pastor said, you will see he didn't say anything new. He essentially is saying that White rich people can't understand what it is to be black. Duh, no kidding. He also said America is to blame for 911. Again many, many people of all different nationalities have been saying the same thing for years. This guilt by association is a joke. The pastors words were devisive and should not play a part in this campaign.

Geraldine Ferraro said Barack would not be where he is if he were not Black. Her friendship with Hillary goes way back. She was an important part of Hillary's campaingn. So many people came out and said they agreed with Ferraro's analysis. Again, they may be true but there is no place for it in this campaign. Many people gave Hillary the benefit of the doubt that she does not agree with Ferraro's remarks.

Why is it so hard to separate the Candidate from their supporters? The candidate should be judged on their records, their words, and their actions period!

Posted by: America08 | March 17, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I don't think wingnuts should be permitted to post on this campaign, because they've made it very clear they would never, not under any circumstance, ever vote for a Democrat.

One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different or improved result.

So why would anyone in their right mind vote Republikan in '08? That entire political party screwed the pooch with George W. Bush, John McCain, Karl Rove, Gonzales, Condi, Cheney, the GOP-dominated congress of '00 to '06 and now the supreme court.

The result? Look in your wallet, your home and your gas tank. Both are empty or gonna be.

Stop the pain. Vote Democratic in '08.

If you're a registered Dem in an upcoming primary state, ask yourself "what will Bill do?" "how will the media treat the Clintons?" "how will the right-wing commentators treat Hillary and Bill Clinton?"

She threw the kitchen sink at him and yet, Obama remains a classy, smart guy. I can't wait to vote for him. Those preacher tapes are a distraction and nothing more. That reverend is retiring and will be gone, along with his stupid remarks.

Posted by: tony_in_Durham_NC | March 17, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

To the Hillary oponents (Martha P1 etc.)
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There are more than many objective reasons to argue she is not qualified nor merits the Nomination !! Posting HATE mail only dilutes this fact !!

to kimkimminni1
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I do not think that the missing Tax returns and info regarding donation versus Presidential pardons will disclose something outright illegal, but certainly
unethical. The same pattern as the questionable action of Bill in the 90's.

Caminito

Posted by: caminito | March 17, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I am surprised how Hilary can spin the campaign as they wish?

Hilary repeatedly slammed Obama for Rezko tie, but what about her own record? Look at Clintons? They are hiding everything including tax returns.

When Obama asked Hilary to release her tax return, she spins it with 'personal attack'? Clintons are full of scumbag, scandals; including Bill's last day at White house - his Presidential Clemency was a disgrace, it was dishonset with bribery, Shame on you Clintons!

Hilary has taken more scndal money than Obama. If there is only one Rezko for Obama, there are 360 of them on Hilary's side. Lets dig her 'fully vetted' list of deceitfulness. Remember 'Hu'?

Hilary will tear down Obama; if she can not win neither Obama - that's the strategy! Its 100% guaranteed, Hilary has no chance to win against McCain.

Vote wisely!

Posted by: jamila_morsheda | March 17, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I have switched my 'newspaper loyalty' to The Washington Post.

Since the announcement of their Clinton endorsement (which they are certainly entitled to and I have no problem with)

.. The New York Times began insulting and subtly undermining Obama on a regular basis and dishonestly slanting their 'news' articles in favor of the Clintons. They have taken to ignoring readers' comments favoring Obama as well, possibly because those favoring him are about 15 to 1.

The journalistic standards at NYT have dropped quite a bit recently. Could it be that short-term profits are now more important at NYT than their readers well-being ?

Posted by: skyriak | March 17, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

From A.F. Cook, Red Zone Politics -- www.redzonepolitics.com and www.redzonepolitics.com/blogitics

This is Obama's chance to frame a more sophisticated political strategy when it comes to countering the negative publicity of his Mr. Wrong: Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

The ground game of getting crossover Republicans and Independents to register as Dems is all well and good, but what the candidate REALLY needs to do is take the leap into rhetoric that will distance him from the mentality of black victimhood that has become a perceptual liability in the political game for both blacks and the Democratic Party. White voters need to see him establish his independence from that old, counterproductive mode of thinking.

It's often harder to challenge your friends than your opponents, because they expect your undivided loyalty even when they are wrong. But that is just the challenge Obama must face if he is to put the Wright affair and its attendant perceptual issues behind him.

He should also insist that the press refer to him as "biracial," since he is not simply "black" but half white. If he is a "black" candidate, then he is equally a "white" candidate. The Obama campaign needs to call the press on its automatic default position that he is solely a black person, especially because it plays into old-school racist beliefs that "one drop" of black blood makes someone of mixed race totally black.

Black is beautiful, so is every other color. Obama's race is, relatively speaking, neutral. His campaign now has an opportunity to make that very clear.

Posted by: derenbaker | March 17, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Some of the media is now referring to SUPERDELEGATES as AUTOMATIC DELEGATES.

Obama Supporters - Keep donating and volunteering to his campaign. One of the ways you may achieve this is to go to his official website.

Posted by: Mooncurtain | March 17, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Thankfully, svreader still has time to break away from his high-power executive position at a Silicone Valley firm to troll message boards!

Posted by: youba | March 17, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

SVreader and like mindedposeters

PULEESE keep somewhat near to the topic of the blog. Personally I hate having to mistakely start reading paid political announcement that are there only to bash one candidate or another. If I am not mistaken this blog is about the Pa. primary and outlook for it.

Cut and paste your stuff in other places, we have seen it all before, sometimes by you sometimes by your fellow travelers. I much rather hear someone's fresh and new angle on this blogs current topic.

Posted by: nclwtk | March 17, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

I hope Obama does well in Pennsylvania. He is the best person to bring about real change. We need someone who is the complete opposite of Geroge Bush. This fight is bigger than Hillary and Barack. It's bigger than White against Black. You need to really ask yourself, who will be better for All American People. Some people have tuned out Obama's message because they can't get past his name, his color or inflamatory remarks made by his pastor. Come on American those things are so insignifficant. What are you afraid of; that if he becomes President he is going to do what? Overthrow our Gov't? If you really think about it, he sure can't do any worst than the damage Bush has done.

America don't cut your nose off to spite your face.

Obama'08

Posted by: America08 | March 17, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

The New York Times is heavily slanting it's reporting in favor of The Clintons, and persenting Obama in a negative way whenever possible.

I suppose they now value money and profits more than fair, objective journalism and truth.

Posted by: skyriak | March 17, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

svreader....I once thought of you as a passionate misguided supporter of Hillary...I now think that you have gone off the deep end !! You are a MESS !! Get a GRIP !! It's OVER !! I also find it interesting that every one of your posts contains the word 'Obama' many times. If you are a CLINTON supporter, wouldnt it make sense to mention that name at least once or twice??

Posted by: maddogjts | March 17, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Obama continues to rack up delegates, 14 more this weekend, while the Clintons are losing delegates. The Clintons can't win. It's time the Democratic Party delivered the news to them and cut this thing off before they manage to elect John McCain.

Posted by: Lilly1 | March 17, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Obama will win a big victory in Pennsyvania.

Posted by: paulnolan97 | March 17, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Why are the Clintons figthing to not release their records (tax returns, White House records, list of big donors to their foundation)? What are the things that need to be hidden? How big those scandals are?

Posted by: Logan6 | March 17, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

I am a Hillary supporter and very proud of Sen. Clinton and am sick and tired of all the rhetoric from the Obama campaign on why she is not electable. Do you really believe that after the release of the tapes from his church that he can beat a Republican in the fall? - get real. If you believe, and I do not, that Hillary has been too tough on Obama - you haven't seen anything yet - when the "swiftboaters" get through with Obama, he'll limp home to Chicago.

Posted by: donna.richardson | March 17, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

redheadclaudine | March 17, 2008 09:18 AM

Arrogance is common vice in politics. That is the one thing not lacking in Obama run for presidency. In July 2008, Obama stated to reporter,"to know me is to love me"....


STOP whatever you are smoking kid. July 2008???? You can't even get your lies straight!!! Desperate measures for desperate times, eh?

Posted by: Enlightened1 | March 17, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Hillary & her supporters sound more like Repugnicans every day. Check out the Boston Globe article about GOP supporters turning out in droves to vote for her. That tell you anything?

Posted by: slavin2 | March 17, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I am getting tired of saying this but OBAMA IS TOAST. I do not understand what the die-hard obama supporters try to do by acting like nothing happened last week. The Clintons will not bring up the Wright issue as they have been chastised by the Democratic party 'Leadership', so the issue is not on TV as much as it should be. But sure enough there are lots of people (Republicans) who will bring it up to the end. Again, to recap OBAMA IS TOAST

Posted by: dsclinton | March 16, 2008 08:14 PM

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Trust me chicken little, we are getting f**king tired of hearing from you as well. You sound like you are trying to convince yourself more than us.

Posted by: LABC | March 17, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I don't see any evidence that State Senator Obama was even made aware of building code violations. I suppose his job description as State Senator included being a building inspector for Chicago....

No...wait a minute...here is the department responsible for code enforcement...
The East Chicago Building Department is the City's building code enforcement agency under the administrative and operational control of the Building Commissioner, Mr. Ernest Hagler. The Building Commissioner is authorized and directed to enforce all the provisions of the Indiana Building Code (International Building Code), which is adopted by reference by the City of East Chicago. The building code of the city provides minimum standards for the protection of life, health, environment, public safety and general welfare, and the conservation of energy in the design and construction of buildings and structures. The provisions of this code apply to the construction, alteration, repair, use, occupancy, maintenance, and additions to all buildings and structures, other than industrialized building systems or mobile structures certified under I.C.22-15-4, within the jurisdiction. As Building Commissioner, Mr. Hagler governs a dignified team of respected women and men, both part-time and full-time employees, who responsibly act in their duties to correctly enforce all prevailing laws and provisions regulating ordinances and codes for construction, wrecking, housing and zoning.

Under the leadership of Ernest Hagler, Building Commissioner, the East Chicago Building Department's duties include:

• Examining and approving or rejecting all building permit applications

• Enforcing zoning laws

• Inspecting all buildings in the course of construction or repair

• Review and approve or reject applications for licensing of contractors and

sub-contractors

• Periodic inspections of one-, two- and multi-family dwellings

• Conducting inspections of complaint reports regarding permits/licensees,

unsafe buildings, heating, ventilation and air conditioning, electrical,

plumbing, swimming pools, debris, weeds and abandoned vehicles and

fences

• Issue orders to repair, condemn and demolish

• Vacate unsafe buildings

• Seal unsafe buildings

• Conduct periodic joint inspections with Health, Fire and Air

Quality Departments

Generally speaking, the services provided by the East Chicago Building Department are the same compared to the cities of Hammond and Gary, which are cities designated as first class cities. For instance, similarities include licensing, permits, condemnations and demolition of unsafe buildings. Also, it is significant to note that the City of East Chicago has an interrelated Code Enforcement Department, a division in the Building Department, which primarily handles complaints regarding Housing Standards and property maintenance issues.

The diverse staff of the East Chicago Building Department acts as representatives of our community. Moreover, there are several bilingual employees who speak Spanish, enabling this department to serve the needs of the Spanish-speaking segment of our diverse community.

http://www.eastchicago.com/Building.html


Geeez. Who would have thought that Chicago has a department responsible for those things???

Posted by: Absolute_0-K | March 17, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Barack Obama has repeatedly told us that this election isn't about experience so much as judgment. What kind of judgment is it, that subjects a man's children to this kind of poison? Perhaps he, himself, is immune; but this is the same kind of bitterness that seems to infect his wife and, if she didn't catch it from Jeremiah Wright, she sure isn't going to lose it sitting and listening to him once a week. Good judgment would compel many men and women to leave this kind of atmosphere. How can Obama lead us out of hate and disunity, when he can't or won't even lead out his own family? Why did he hang around this hatemonger for so long, knowing what he is? Why? Has Obama been deceiving us?

WAKE UP AMERICA. YOU CANNOT TELL ME THAT SINCE OBAMA AND HIS FAMILY HAS BEEN GOING TO THAT CHURCH IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT TO CALL IT THEY DID NOT KNOW ABOUT HIS BELEIFS.WAKE UP PEOPLE IF YOU HAVE READ YOUR BIBLE LATELY JESUS IS ABOUT LOVE,FORGIVNESS ,AND LOVING ONE ANOTHER WHEN WRIGHT TOOK GODS NAME IN VAIN HE WAS DAMMING GOD .GOD LOVES EVERYONE NO MATTER WHAT COLOR YOU ARE. GOD BLESS AMERICA ALWAYS.

Posted by: starbuck1 | March 17, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

The Clintons' supporters have very low ethics, or very poor knowledge or are McCain supporters...

Posted by: Logan6 | March 17, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Thanks to Mrs. Ferraro's insensitive racist comments, the Clintons may lose some of the Black vote in cities like Pittsburgh and Philadelphia that they thought they own. People may forget the Spitzer affair but they will remember being hurt by racial slurs.

Posted by: dunnhaupt | March 17, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

The Clintons' supporters have very low ethics, or very poor knowledge or are McCain supporters... Those who have very poor knowledge should know that there are a lot of dirty businesses surounding the Clintons:

The Clinton foundation received recently a $31.3 million donation after Bill expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader's, undercuting both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights:

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

In january 2008, the Clintons received $20 million from business deals with Dubai in the Middle East:

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/22/bill-clinton-severs-ties-_n_82616.html

Shortly after beeing pardonned by President Clinton, fugitive financier Marc Rich had his ex-wife giving $400 000 to the Clintons library foundation:

Source: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,98756,00.html

The records of the Clintons (tax returns, White House records, list of big donors to their foundation) would show all the extension of these dirty businesses. That's why the Clintons are fighting to not release these records.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 17, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Arrogance is common vice in politics. That is the one thing not lacking in Obama run for presidency. In July 2008, Obama stated to reporter,"to know me is to love me". Few months later he stated,"Every place is Barak Obama country one Barak Obama's been there." Both Obama and his wife, Michelle, ooze a sence of entitlement. " Barak is one of the smartest people you will ever encounter who will deign to enter this messy thing called politics", voiced Michelle. If arrogance is a display of self-importance and superiority, Obama earns the pejorative every time he calls his pre-invasion opposition to the War in Iraq and act of courage. Not only is he arrogant, he is also very cunning ,calculating and not trust worthy. All trough his campaign he could have and should have disassociated himself from Rev. Wright, and he didn't. He could have and should have, told the truth about donations from Rezko. Info comes out from him only, when other about to tell the American people.

Posted by: jpannebecker | March 17, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Oh come on here,so after all the Teflon
Coating has been ripped from that lying
sleazy con artist Barack Hussein Obama this
past week,now then,that makes the only
thing that sneaky phony fraud Obama can do
now,is get out of the race,or go hand the
2008 Presidential Election to Amnesty John
McCain. Are you listening and can you hear
us now Howard Dean and Looney toons DINO
Madame Speaker Nutty Nancy Pelosi? If so
Nancy Pelosi then why the heck are you
still going to Endorse Barack Hussein Obama
today Pelosi? What's the matter Nutty
Nancy Pelosi you afraid if Hillary Clinton
got elected President then you Nancy Baby
will not be the Big Shot here? Go tell
Barack Hussein Obama get out ot the race!

Posted by: redheadclaudine | March 17, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Posting comments like this on the Washington Post site are a great example of how the Clinton campaign resorts to anything---absolutely anything--to tear down an opponent and to get elected. I expect Davis and Wolfson to bark the same song on tomorrow's conference call.

Hope you feel good about yourself, campaigning this way. Must make you guys feel like winners.

Posted by: rohnjay | March 16, 2008 02:58 PM

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rohnjay, svretard (as I call him) is a board troll who claims to be a CEO of a silicon valley company with connections to people in Washington. Not only is he a liar about this(the only thing he's running is for coffee and donuts for people who actually do work), but he makes up quotes and stats. It is really sad. I cannot believe that he is a true Clinton supporter because they should know better than to make tenuous connections to shady people. He writes the same sh*t over and over again because he is scared. That is all he is about.

Posted by: LABC | March 17, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

The Republican voters who seek to weaken Obama's campaign by casting votes for Hillary Clinton should be shamed.

Knowingly skewing the voting process in our democracy is not just wrong, it's un-American.

Posted by: poortrekker | March 17, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

AsperGirl! Your observations on HRC's various postures is insightful; what is more stunningly impressive is your willingness to "put it out there." WOW!

Anywat, Obama should not cede anything to Clinton. Fight hard and win, because that is the only way to win this thing. No entitlements, no party favors, none of that old politics foolishness. And if the DNC overturns the will of the electorate, they will have themselves to blame when McCain becomes president and the Congressional majority goes GOP!

Posted by: meldupree | March 17, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

I find it interesting that those who find fault with Obama must go to at least one person removed from him and then make a connection to Obama. However, we could find fault directly with Clinton on many different levels. What if we started to examine every person Clinton has ever had a relationship with, or has ever contributed to her campaign? I bet that would be interesting...

Posted by: neug | March 17, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile Hillary Clinton and Ed Rendell want to take your guns. The Prohibition On Confiscation of Firearms law was signed into law October 4, 2006. It prohibits the confiscaton of a firearm during an emergency or major disaster where the possession of such firearm is not prohibited under Federal or State law. In other words the police or federal agencies can't just take your guns citing and emergency as long as you aren't violating any other laws related to gun ownership.

Barack Obama voted for this law, guaranteeing the right to bear and Hillary Clinton voted against. Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton's number 2 in Pennsylvania, Governor Ed Rendell, has been trying to push through gun control legislation in the Commonwealth legislature. No doubt about it, Hillary Clinton wants to take guns from law-abiding Pennsylvania voters and Barack Obama will support their right to hunt and bear arms.

This is why he will win.

Posted by: mha31353 | March 17, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

svreader protests too much to be a Democrat methinks. Go Obama!

Posted by: macspack | March 17, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Wonder how folks in those other states yet to vote feel about all this attention focused on PA, as if they don't matter.

But of course they do.

Posted by: FirstMouse | March 17, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Obama can become a great president for the united states,we need a good foreign policy and he is the only one that can bring us peace in the middle east...

http://www.live-free-tv.net

Posted by: facemook | March 17, 2008 7:00 AM | Report abuse

I have a great idea for how Hillary can hold Obama off in Pa: release her tax returns, the way Obama has.

Curious: how many different foreign governments have paid Big Bill $300-400,000 to give a "speech"? How much of that money has been poured in to cement the "inevitability" of HRC's campaign?

If you're curious too, check out:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/16/194159/457/849/478152

Posted by: al75 | March 17, 2008 6:39 AM | Report abuse

eine1 wrote:
Either side can spin all they want about a win or a loss. At the end of the day there is almost no chance that Hillary can win Pennsylvania by a large enough margin to take back the delegate or popular vote lead.

All Obama has to do is keep from getting blown out, which should be fairly easily considering that Hillary has not beat him by 20 points in any primary. Even then, a 20 point victory won't be enough, she'll need more like 30 point victories in these last few primaries.
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Well, most of us know about this. The problem is that we have to deal with not so bright journalists who are for some reasons unable to work this out by themselves. They continously spew garbage tabloidish news those uneducated Hillary supporters simply xerox without critically assessing them.

Posted by: Conrad1 | March 17, 2008 6:13 AM | Report abuse

How long has it been since Hillary has had sex? She's wound so tight her jaw snaps open when she crosses her legs.

Posted by: gmundenat | March 17, 2008 6:04 AM | Report abuse

From all that I have read here, I am very saddened to declare that the Democratic Party is now roundly divided, and maybe to the point that it will need more than the time left before the Presidential Election to actually bring it together!
Thank You Hillary Clinton! And SHAME ON YOU!

Posted by: capitalman98 | March 17, 2008 5:58 AM | Report abuse

Look carefully at the 'issues' that the Clinton campaign continues to use. There's a clear pattern. Their idea of 'contrasts' continues to be nothing issue related. In almost every instance, there is some divisive smear involved. Insinuation...guilt by association. Get the 'negatives' up. Be afraid of this guy... that seems to be the clear strategy. What happened to promoting herself??

If to win you have to play like a republican, I'd prefer to have the better conscience and lose. I started this campaign favoring Biden, moved to Obama after Joe dropped out, but felt I could go with Clinton in the general no problem. Now time after time I've been both saddened, and with the faux-'southern' strategy, race baiting politics of the Clinton campaign, for the first time in my life I may not vote for President in the general...if Clinton is the nominee. How can any self-respecting Democrat? And to think all those years I laughed at Repubs who said the Clintons just want to win at any cost, and always thought it was just jealousy...

Posted by: harry.fuchs | March 17, 2008 5:23 AM | Report abuse

WOW,

This article has really enraged the Clinton supporters. I haven't seen so much fact-less garbage spewing since Rush Limbaugh had a foot to stand on.

Quoting op-ed pieces from the Chicago Sun Times is not research nor is it a basis for claiming first hand knowledge on anything.

If you want to be a poor, un-educated, Hillary Billy, fine be that. The rest of the world will go on simply calling you "The Lowest Common Denominator". ( Jerry Jerry Jerry... )

Hopefully, when Billary forces y'all to buy mediocre health insurance, maybe just maybe, youins will still have money left over for going to monster truck rallies and professional wrestling contests.

As a former Pittsburgh Resident and LIFE LONG Penguins fan, PA please get your act together. Stop putting rednecks from the south in the White House.

Billary is not a New Yorker!!!

Posted by: brownrl | March 17, 2008 4:51 AM | Report abuse

If any voter wants to be fully informed about a candidate, DON"T just take the latest gurgle out of the mouth of the MSM, like we've did with the run-up to the IRAQ war, but do your own homework. Rev Wright, a former Marine, may speak truth to you that you don't want to hear, but he has said little that many other folks have spoken about, including Ron Paul. Trinity Church is hardly a fringe religion and has done more Christian good works than many who claim to be Christian. How all of this allows folks to fairly characterize Mr. Obama, a bi-racial man with a primarily white staff, a racist is simply ridiculous. Now who's playing the "race card"?

While Bill Clinton is a serial adulterer and liar, HRC is the only first lady to be a subject of a federal grand jury and J McCain's father in law is a convicted felon, his wife an admitted thief, and McCain himself got off by the skin of his teeth in Keating Five scandal, only Mr. and Mrs. Obama have been the subject of such "a high tech lynching."

Take a deep breath people, learn the whole truth about Trinity (the GOOD and the bad), THEN make you assessment.

Posted by: orbitcv | March 17, 2008 4:48 AM | Report abuse

We are who we have been waiting for.

Posted by: mul | March 17, 2008 3:58 AM | Report abuse

Shush Hillary is coming. She is going to take out all the stupid hate-filled VRWC and Obama cultist out (cowboy style).

For the young stupid people the VRWC does not care about death corruption ect why would they vote for bush in 2004 when what he was became crystal clear to even the biggest fool - they care the the Clintons took the Bit** as*es out in 1992 and 1996. Took them out big time with interns under the table (they don't care about that either). Some you non 'women hating' obama cultist bought in to there BS. Time to grow up - Obama can't win he is toast.

The chickens are coming home ----- to roost !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HRC HRC HRC HRC

Posted by: mul | March 17, 2008 3:56 AM | Report abuse

I am leaning strongly toward Obama. He impresses me as an honest person with good judgment on the important issues. I listened to his response to the Wright videotape. He was quite thoughtful and intelligent. He said there is a lot of lingering hate that we need to overcome as a nation. He does not deny that even his own pastor is flawed. Indeed, many people do carry around a degree of lingering hate. I think we can see in this very blog, for example, a lot of built-up anger, amassed over the years of confrontation between various political, economic and social groups. If you read these posts and you feel hatred, you should stop and understand that you probably have given up hope in your own life. That's a shame, and I'm sorry. I hope your situation will improve. I really do. We need for you to get better. The world needs you to help pull ourselves forward.

Posted by: Felipe_M | March 17, 2008 3:52 AM | Report abuse

She has run a vey unstable and negative campaign and that's why she's LOSING so her supporters need to stop CRYING about it. Does it make any sense that Hillary says Obama is not ready to be President but would make a good VP? If someone is not ready to be President then how can they be ready to be VP? It makes no sense and it shows her lack of judgement. I want to like Hillary but she has made it so difficult. She has behaved in the very way that plays into the stereotype of why some think a woman shouldn't be President. Hillary has cried, complained, and played the victim when she wasn't getting her way (boo hoo the press is mean to me). People are looking at that and saying "typical woman". I pray the the Democratic party will unite and support Obama when he is the nominee. Obama '08.

Posted by: Carolp23 | March 16, 2008 11:44 PM

Sexist Rant - seems to have gone down on the blog but still some people left.

Posted by: mul | March 17, 2008 3:45 AM | Report abuse

Did I hear someone say guilt by association? Lets see McDougal,Mary Mahoney,Vincent Foster,C. Victor Raiser II,Paul Tully,Ed Willey,Hershell Friday,Jerry Parks,James Bunch,John Wilson
,Bill Shelton,Kathy Furguson,Gandy Baugh,Dr. Ronald Rogers,Stanley Huggins,Florence Martin,Suzanne Coleman,Paula Grober, The above people are all dead and there's many more. They all had an association with the Clintons.You ever hear of the Clinton body count? Interesting reading for those of Clinton's supporters that can read. You think Bush was a cold ,calculating, tyrant, killer, just look at the Clintons. Guilt by association is the wrong phrase for the idiot that wrote that. As regards the Clintons, it's dead by association.

Posted by: chiguy20032004 | March 17, 2008 3:22 AM | Report abuse

i am Macjive, i resident in the UK.

i NEVER KNEW AMERICANS ARE THIS ILLITERATE AND GULLIBLE- (sorry 60%)
The fact that a pastor in a church at a time (5 mins) said something inflamatory
does it mean that he says it all the time ?,
does it mean, that is his believe and position ?
does it mean his congregation are unpatriotic and should be held accountable to a 5 mins spill?

What people should be asking should be:

IS THAT A REOCCURRING SERMON IN THE CHURCH ?
Even the pope has said something inflamatory at a time ,

does it mean,that is the position of the catholic church, and hence every member in the church.

Remember ur vote today, will be ur vindication tomorrow.
" Americans this is ur time to show commitment and participation to the American dream that blood and sweat has being sacrified freely and willing for "

vote for ur future.

Posted by: macjive01 | March 17, 2008 3:18 AM | Report abuse

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Boy that economy/war that the Bush_Clinton dynasty put together is working pretty well.

We had better go with what we know since it's doing so well.

Anybody who is against the war and for accountability on Wall Street must be some kind of idiot.

Let's do more of the same.

100 year war/depression!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by: imright | March 17, 2008 3:07 AM | Report abuse

I've lost count of the "desperate Hillary supporter" posts...

I am glad to see so many supporters of the Obama-Richardson ticket.

What about Mccain? He won't choose scumbag Mitt Romney will he? Look like Romney can buy something close to the presidency afterall... He'll certainly run in 2012, as sure as the republicans will lose this election...

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 17, 2008 2:59 AM | Report abuse

Ahem, Cough-Cough!

Libbie Judges, and Amnesty to Inavaders! :-(

Uhhhh Ninny Peloser, have you got any HR;1940-Birthright Citizenship Act?


Ohhhhhh Too Bad!

For Dimocrat Socialists! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 17, 2008 2:42 AM | Report abuse

Wow, the comment sections up to now have been somewhat intellegent and respectful on the WA Post. At least they were interesting. This comment section at least has turned to pure bile and hatefulness.

Posted by: e2holmes | March 17, 2008 2:35 AM | Report abuse


And to think, white folk go out of their way to be so nice and apologetic to black folks in this country. Now we find out - they talk like this about us every week in church. Donna Brazille was saying on George Steph...s show today that this guy was MILD compared to some black ministers. WOW!

This is like living in another country? Like when we hear that people in Europe don't exactly like the United States. And we all feel bad or don't believe it.

BELIEVE IT. This man sat there for TWENTY YEARS. He's looking right into the camera and LYING STRAIGHT FACED at all his crazy intoxicated supporters. You bet your butt he was sitting there listening to this man. And he got married there, and he baptized his children there, and he called this man his "spiritual adviser" - not his crazy uncle.

And he called Rezko his "political adviser".

You people have been DUPED. Accept it. Wake up -- BEFORE 3am!

Put down the Kool Aid. Spit out the hooks, lines and sinkers!

Posted by: Thinker | March 17, 2008 2:04 AM | Report abuse


If you Obamabots spent one tenth of the time looking at Obama that you do talking about Hillary - you might learn something important.

You are Suckers with a capital S.... for stupid, saps. Pied Piper is just dancing you down the road. Drinkin that Kool Aid.

Bill Bradley - a big fat bull frog bull dog from Mr. Obama's camp - thinks we should "put this behind us". Oh - you can be sure they wish they could. They hid that "spiritual adviser" away until Obama had some delegates - before anyone KNEW who he is and isn't.
Sneak, dirty rat politics - just like the old White Haired Troll boys club politics. Mr. Bradley used to have a brain and something to say. He should crawl back under his rock in the muck pond. Mr. Obama isn't Teflon. He is going to give us President McCain. Plain and simple.


These are ALL must see videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwog6E08CFU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccbPVMBKQpA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU


NObama NObama NObama THIS STORY ABOUT YOUR "SPIRITUAL MENTOR" IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY

Posted by: Thinker | March 17, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse


MarthaP1
Aren't you a hateful little doggie.

wow. woof woof

Posted by: Thinker | March 17, 2008 1:51 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: MarthaP1 Pennsylvania may not go for Obama. I hear there are many beer-drinking, pot-bellied, wife-beating, uneducated, BIGOTS who live there, so that sounds like Hillary territory to me.
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Whatever it takes to make you feel better about losing 20+ points here in PA. Keep up the attitude, it will go over well here. I take it you prefer black bigots?

Obama, apparently some people's personal jesus, is a liar. He knew what this preacher said and at one time said he "didn't think his church was controversial." That was when he was being honest. Now that the proverbial sh*t has hit the fan, he's running in the other direction, throwing his friend and mentor of 20 years under the bus so he can try to hang on in the race.

On top of all this he has no credentials to speak of...

Certainly the "unity" bs is clearly proven to be a joke.

Stick a fork in him. He's done.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 17, 2008 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Pennsylvania should be tailored-made for Barack Obama; it is just a question of getting the message to the voters...Pennsylvania is the land of blue collar and Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with them. She has not worked with them on the street to find them jobs as Barack Obama did! She had loaned her own campaign millions of dollars (much more than a regular blue collar will make in his life time) coming from lobbyists she is working for (and who do not have generally the interest of working people in mind) while Barack Obama's campaign is fully financed by small donors. Barack Obama is the man of the people, while Hillary Clinton is part of a dynasty and who would not be in this race without the name of her husband and the support from the establishment and lobbyists. In a fair world, Pensylvannia should be an uphill battle for Hillary Clinton.

If Pennsylvanian are voting for the most experienced candidate, they should take into consideration that Hillary Clinton still refuses to cooperate with the White House to release her records as first lady. On the campaign trail, she claims experience but she can not back up her assertions with her records.

If Pennsylvanian are voting for the most trustworthy candidate they should know that the Clintons are still refusing to release their tax returns and the list of big donors to their foundation... This is a big deal because the Clinton foundation received recently a $31.3 million donation after Bill expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader's, undercuting both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights (Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&oref=slogin ).

If Pennsylvanians are voting for the most electable candidate they should know that Barack Obama is getting a large part of the independent votes. And that when the Clintons will have released their records, Hillary will be radio-active (as candidate for the nomination in her party or for the presidency).

Pennsylvania should be tailored-made for Barack Obama. It's just a question of informing the voters about Hillary and her true records.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 17, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

svreader isn't just a pathetic troll. svreader is a liar, and svreader is delusional. And svreader is a Clinton operative, posting full-time and probably on the payroll of the Clinton campaign. Pathetic little person.

Posted by: MarthaP1 | March 17, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

Pennsylvania may not go for Obama. I hear there are many beer-drinking, pot-bellied, wife-beating, uneducated, BIGOTS who live there, so that sounds like Hillary territory to me.

Posted by: MarthaP1 | March 17, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Someone posted:
so the issue is not on TV as much as it should be.
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I was flipping thru channels tonight and the entertainment show "The Insider" even THEY had coverage of the dear pastor.

Re: The Huffington Post column about other preachers...

What put this waaaaaaaaay over the top from usual condemning of American morals is the profanity, HUMPING in the pulpit and other various and sundry revolting things he did.

Now Obama's church is saying he's like jesus...very predictable. Hilarious at this point.

CHICAGO - The church attended by Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) fought back Sunday against mounting criticism of its pastor, accusing the media of character assassination and "crucifixion."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9062.html

Please please please keep it up!

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 17, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Barry Obama's claims about not knowing what his pastor preached are completely without credibility.

It fits a recurring pattern with him.

Barry lies so convincingly, its frightening to behold.

His ability to do so is at the level of people like serial killers like Jeff Dhamer and cult leaders like Jim Jones.

He not only deludes others, he deludes himself.

He's a great actor.

He'd be an absolutely horrible, and extremely dangerous, CEO or President.

He doesn't know when he doesn't know.

He doesn't know himself.

The public doesn't know the real Barry Obama.

If they did, he would have been eliminated from the race for President long ago.

Posted by: svreader | March 17, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

We must fight fire with fire. If the Clintons' supporters argue with ethically-correct arguments, Obama's supporters will do so. But the Clintons' supporters drew first blood by arguing that Obama had not the experience to be commander in chief, that he was muslim (he is not but there should be not problem if he would be), that he has a middle name that make him a pro-terrorist, etc. As the good book says, an eye for an eye. Personnaly, I would be for two eyes in return of one - just to give a lesson. Turn down the rhetoric and we will turn down ours.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 17, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

I don't want to be offensive to the Clinton supporters but I do see that Hillary Clinton often promotes herself achievement by using half truth, or using selective information to make her look good. That is actually cunning and dishonest. How can those Clinton voters so blinded by her tactics. On the second thought, I guess that most people actually knows how dishonest Hillary is but they (mostly women) still want to support her because they would like to see a woman president in the USA. In someway, Hillary's success would mirrow the success of all women. Women are usually over emotional and that's why not many of them can become great leaders in the world. If Hillary becomes the USA president, USA would head to worse position. I hope that women in the USA would act intelligently, not to vote for Hillary just because she is a woman. Also, they need to check Hillary's record and verify them.

Posted by: sauyinzhi | March 17, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Barack Obama almost always does well in primaries or caucuses when voters have a chance to get to know him. He has time for this to happen in Pennsylvania, so he may do quite well there.

Of course, many voters in Pennsylvania are beer drinking, pot-bellied, wife beating, uneducated, blue collar BIGOTS, so they might, after all, go for Hillary.

Posted by: MarthaP1 | March 17, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

CarolP-

The Clinton's are responsible for all the deviciveness in the party? you have clearly drank too much Kool-Ade.

Look at the campaign run against her. From the beginning it painted her as "OLD washington guard", a "powerhungry woman willing to say anything" (McBeth stereotype) and an emotionally unstable woman (remember Barak has called her both whiny and said she reacts "when she's in a bad mood" during the debates- if you watch them- most of you Obamopaths just repeat after the new messiah). He also created the fiction of the Clinton as racists (ah, the race card! http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304&k=5083) when clearly they are not. Each thing he does, he blames her for.

As for presidents with limited experience. Lincoln, I have to give you- a newbee congressman- but it was 1860 and the lead candidate (Democrat Seward) decided he didn't need to run and instead traveled Europe- as for the other two "great" presidents you mentioned- Kennedy and Clinton; I think you should look more carefully at your history books. Both had disasterous first two years. Kennedy had multiple foreign policy debacles leading to a potentially world threatening showdown with the USSR- which was unnecessary, since Castro was unlikely to have tried to have missles had the US government not been attempting to overthrow him in multiple failed attempts. His domestic policies didn't do so well either- he recovered in his third year and was martyred that same year, but Johnson passed most of the Kennedy legacy agenda, including everything from civil rights to the moon landing. Clinton's first two years were so politically messy that he lost both houses of congress- he started with gays in the military, was shot down in the universal health attempt, and stumbled in his handling of Somalia. Newbee presidents don't do all that well during their initial years in office. Your personal and sexist attacks do not bode well for your case against her. We are not electing a sorority president, we are electing the leader of the free world.

I will support Barak if he is the nominee, just to keep the right wing out if I can, but he is the weaker candidate- as his coalition is the same wealthy/educated white and general African American coalition that did not win for Gore or Kerry. Winning Democratic caucuses where 20,000 people vote in red states doesn't really mean he can compete there. With poor numbers in the working class and latin communities, he is unlikely to win the presidency. If he does, his "greenness" and the fact that he will have a mandate for nothing, since his policies are only vaguely defined- does not bode well for a progressive agenda.

OBAMOPATHS, please stop writing such hateful e-mails- stop the hating
INCREASE THE PEACE.
Leon

Leon

Posted by: nycLeon | March 17, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

The Clintons are maybe not criminals, but they are mixed up in what seems to be very dirty business:

The Clinton foundation received recently a $31.3 million donation after Bill expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader's, undercuting both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights:

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

In january 2008, the Clintons received $20 million from business deals with Dubai in the Middle East:

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/22/bill-clinton-severs-ties-_n_82616.html

Shortly after beeing pardonned by President Clinton, fugitive financier Marc Rich had his ex-wife giving $400 000 to the Clintons library foundation:

Source: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,98756,00.html

Fact, Fact, Fact... not rhetorics.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 17, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

If there were anything illegal about the Clinton's money or taxes, I'm sure the justice dept. would waste no time investigating the Clinton's. Just more cheap insinuations. Do you really think the Clinton's would leave their self open to prosecution? I don't think you have any idea of the magnitude of their accomplishments or their intelligence. If you did you wouldn't be wasting your time promoting inexperience at a crucial time like this.

Posted by: kimkimminni1 | March 17, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Twenty-three posts, at least, by svreader. It's the same on any issue surrounding the Obama/Clinton race. Huge number of posts, relentless, endless, repetitive.

That's either a troll, or a sad, desperate, lonely person with an itch he/she just can't scratch hard enough.

Posted by: nodebris | March 17, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Anyone could write a book on the way it should be and the dreams of mankind based on common sense and religion. They surely wouldn't say anything negative, but give special thought to everything. A good imagination could make it next to perfect. Especially if they were running for president. IT would more than likely be written exactly like you wanted to hear it. He probably didn't inhale either.

Posted by: kimkimminni1 | March 17, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

The tip of the iceberg of the Clintons' money trail:

The Clinton foundation received recently a $31.3 million donation after Bill expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader's, undercuting both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights:

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


In january 2008, the Clintons received $20 million from business deals with Dubai in the Middle East:

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/22/bill-clinton-severs-ties-_n_82616.html


Shortly after beeing pardonned by President Clinton, fugitive financier Marc Rich had his ex-wife giving $400 000 to the Clintons library foundation:

Source: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,98756,00.html

Let's pressure the Clintons to release their records (tax returns, White House records, list of big donors for their foundation, etc.)

Posted by: Logan6 | March 17, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

So many people saying cheap and ignorant comments on the Clinton's, ALL of it just basic right wing propaganda and lies. Do they have selective memory, or no memory at all? You can give me the excuse of a bible versed and tell me I don't understand, And tell me that preaching hate is ok. And I can tell YOU, The Obama campaign is OVER. There is no comparison that anyone could make that would be anywhere near the disgusting ignorant comments of Rev. Wright. And just the fact that Obama thinks white America is gullible enough to except this, While he sweeps it under the rug, proves a lack of dignity. Concede now!!

Posted by: kimkimminni1 | March 16, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama should use the gun issue in Penn. against Senator Clinton. Thus, allowing rural and some suburban working-class white males to flock to Obama's side. Obama is a constitutional lawyer, which would allow him to explain gun owners rights. Its a risky strategy and there is the potential to turn off some city voters particularly, Philly voters where the guns issue is hot among Black and Latino voters. But its a tactic that could work if Obama does it right.

Posted by: freeworld23 | March 16, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

So many people saying cheap and ignorant comments on the Clinton's, ALL of it just basic right wing propaganda and lies. Do they have selective memory, or no memory at all? You can give me the excuse of a bible versed and tell me I don't understand, And tell me that preaching hate is ok. And I can tell YOU, The Obama campaign is OVER. There is no comparison that anyone could make that would be anywhere near the disgusting ignorant comments of Rev. Wright. And just the fact that Obama thinks white America is gullible enough to except this, While he sweeps it under the rug, proves a lack of dignity. Concede now!!

Posted by: kimkimminni1 | March 16, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama-Richardson would be indeed a good ticket. But let's deal with the Clintons first. Let's pressure them to release their records(tax returns, White House records, list of big donors for their foundation, etc.). If Hillary's records are not cleaned (which seems to be the case since the Clintons are figthing to not release them), then the establishment of the DNC will not be able to force Obama to pick Hillary as VP.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 16, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Ex-Wife of Pardoned Fugitive Gave $400,000 to Clinton Library

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,98756,00.html

Posted by: sbgamatt | March 16, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Look at how negative Hillary supporters are. Hillary is to blame for all of the divisivness in the Democratic party. She and her bitter supporters have attacked Sen. Obama right from the start. They say he's not experienced, or tough enough. The people who say that are IGNORANT. There are WHITE past Presidents that were not in politics very long (Lincoln, JFK, Clinton) are were great Presidents. If you're gonna criticize someone GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT and then you will make better sense. What Obama has done is incredible. I was never interested in politics much before. Obama motivates people and he has charisma and integrity. People like him and trust him and you can't say that about Hillary. I would love to see a woman President but I don't trust Hillary. She's calculating, mean, disagreeable and will make a HORRIBLE President. She has run a vey unstable and negative campaign and that's why she's LOSING so her supporters need to stop CRYING about it. Does it make any sense that Hillary says Obama is not ready to be President but would make a good VP? If someone is not ready to be President then how can they be ready to be VP? It makes no sense and it shows her lack of judgement. I want to like Hillary but she has made it so difficult. She has behaved in the very way that plays into the stereotype of why some think a woman shouldn't be President. Hillary has cried, complained, and played the victim when she wasn't getting her way (boo hoo the press is mean to me). People are looking at that and saying "typical woman". I pray the the Democratic party will unite and support Obama when he is the nominee. Obama '08.

Posted by: Carolp23 | March 16, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm amazed. Didn't anyone read his books?

I am not a supporter, but in the interest of understanding everything I read the books. I don't have the book with me right now- but from what I remember, Barak talks about being "lost" and "finding direction", spirituality and guidance from Reverand Wright and his church in "Dreams of My Father"- if I am not exactly right, I am definately close- I read the book last May.

For all his coded talk of judgement, doesn't this mean something? This guy was not some associate on his campaign, like Geraldine, who did not say anything particularly racist, just theorizing why Barak has been given such an easy time on the experience issue when she had been given such a hard time, even though she had more experience than him. This is not some statement of Bills about media coverage with the word "fairytale" being converted by Donna Brazille into racism so as to ensure the campaign a big victory in SC (and save his candidacy). There's not too much interpretation necessary when a guy states that the government invented AIDS and crack to hurt the African American population, when he says 9/11 is the chickens coming home to roost and when he attacks the Clintons directly for being of european heritage. Rev. Wright may not be all wrong in his opinions, but this won't go over well with the general electorate- remember Obamopaths, he actually has to win states in elections, not caucuses where

Leon

Posted by: nycLeon | March 16, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Well --a very interesting and lively thread --with hundreds of comments and many well defined arguments pro and con.

Congratulations folks --- my reading of all the comments (that took a while) has convinced me that a major threshold has been achieved here on the Wapo express.

Yes indeed, it appears by nearly universal agreement, that you have all demonstrated that Barack Hussein Obama is NOT a Muslim.

That is a big step in just a few short weeks. What a great place we live in. We just pull on our thinking caps and self-educate.

God bless our United States of America.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | March 16, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

It seems the Clintons are apparently involved in the disappearance of the CFO of the Clinton Library Builder. Very suspicious


http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/Mar/14/clinton-library-builders-cfo-vanishes-leaving-ques/

Posted by: sbgamatt | March 16, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Dealing with hate-mongers on the election trail will make Obama a better negotiator with intractable haters like the Palestinians, the Sunnis and the Shiites. If you think what his Pastor had to say about America is bad, tune in to Al Jazeera.

I happen to like Rev. Wright's sermons, but then I don't mind Al Sharpton either. Their outrageous comments make for good conversation around the water cooler. They get everyone's blood pressure up.

You have to expect a certain amount of white bashing when you walk into a black church. Hate speech is typical among ethnic groups who have suffered at the hands of others. Listen to what Armenians have to say about the Turks, read what Native Americans had to say about European settlers. My Jewish father-in-law hated the Poles and the Germans. It goes on and on. Obama may have tolerated it in the past, but after all of this brouhaha, I doubt he will tolerate it anymore.

Mary Refling

Posted by: Refling | March 16, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Plus Richardson helped Obama win Ohio, infuriating another candidate who shall remain nameless since she is practically out of contention for the Democratic nomination...

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Auestion though, does Obama need to balance the ticket with a non-minority to keep the white-democrats vote?
It may be an unfortunate reality, but then again, those voters willing to vote for a black candidate probably don't care who the VP is, hispanic or white.
Yeap, I still like Obama-Richardson.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I agree with jimm_barr and zb95:

Obama-Richardson 08! ignore the racists and let them hate...

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Ok, here's the right south-dakotan to runwith Obama: Daschle. He supported Obama early on, so Obama could help Daschel make a political comeback with a big splash, and the could together bring the midwest back into contention.

Obama-Daschle

(still not as good as obama-richardson, though)

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I like Obama/Richardson. In that way we will have a white, black and Latino on the same ticket. Everyone will hate us. But we will win.
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LOL! I agree.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

If Clinton doesn't win by at least 99% in Pennsylvania she has lost, considering the enthusiasm of the anti-Obama people I suspect they should be able to convince the whole world to vote for Hillary. The thing that confuses me is why the McCain people are trying to destroy Obama before the general election. They might end up electing Clinton. If you think that Obama is going to lose because he goes to the wrong church, then you should want to run against him instead. Or is this just an opportunity to slam a half black man.

Posted by: jimm_barr | March 16, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I like Obama/Richardson. In that way we will have a white, black and Latino on the same ticket. Everyone will hate us. But we will win.

Posted by: jimm_barr | March 16, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I will say once again, this is an interesting race. And by Race, we are seeing exactly how racist the USA still is.

Posted by: pvogel88 | March 16, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Every Sunday thousands of right wing white preachers (following in my father's footsteps) rail against America's sins from tens of thousands of pulpits. They tell us that America is complicit in the "murder of the unborn," has become "Sodom" by coddling gays, and that our public schools are sinful places full of evolutionists and sex educators hell-bent on corrupting children. They say, as my dad often did, that we are, "under the judgment of God." They call America evil and warn of immanent destruction.

-- Frank Schaeffer

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

From Frank Schaeffer's "Crazy for God":

The debate over abortion became vicious. And Dad and I went from merely talking about providing compassionate alternatives to abortion, to actively working to drag evangelicals, often kicking and screaming, into politics. By the end of the Whatever Happened to the Human Race? tour, we were calling for civil disobedience, the takeover of the Republican Party, and even hinting at overthrowing our "unjust pro-abortion government".

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Conservatives can be very dangerous.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

DISPATCHES FROM THE GROUND WAR ...

THE HUFFINGTON POST POINTS TO RANK HYPOCRISY DRIVING CRITICISM FOR OBAMA MINISTER ...

Obama's Minister Committed "Treason" but When my Father Said the Same Thing He Was a Republican Hero

Frank Schaeffer
Posted March 16, 2008

When Senator Obama's preacher thundered about racism and injustice Obama suffered smear-by-association. But when my late father -- Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer -- denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr.

Every Sunday thousands of right wing white preachers (following in my father's footsteps) rail against America's sins from tens of thousands of pulpits. They tell us that America is complicit in the "murder of the unborn," has become "Sodom" by coddling gays, and that our public schools are sinful places full of evolutionists and sex educators hell-bent on corrupting children. They say, as my dad often did, that we are, "under the judgment of God." They call America evil and warn of immanent destruction. By comparison Obama's minister's shouted "controversial" comments were mild. All he said was that God should damn America for our racism and violence and that no one had ever used the N-word about Hillary Clinton.

Dad and I were amongst the founders of the Religious right. In the 1970s and 1980s, while Dad and I crisscrossed America denouncing our nation's sins instead of getting in trouble we became darlings of the Republican Party. (This was while I was my father's sidekick before I dropped out of the evangelical movement altogether.) We were rewarded for our "stand" by people such as Congressman Jack Kemp, the Fords, Reagan and the Bush family. The top Republican leadership depended on preachers and agitators like us to energize their rank and file. No one called us un-American.

Consider a few passages from my father's immensely influential America-bashing book A Christian Manifesto. It sailed under the radar of the major media who, back when it was published in 1980, were not paying particular attention to best-selling religious books. Nevertheless it sold more than a million copies.

Here's Dad writing in his chapter on civil disobedience:

If there is a legitimate reason for the use of force [against the US government]... then at a certain point force is justifiable.


And this:


In the United States the materialistic, humanistic world view is being taught exclusively in most state schools... There is an obvious parallel between this and the situation in Russia [the USSR]. And we really must not be blind to the fact that indeed in the public schools in the United States all religious influence is as forcibly forbidden as in the Soviet Union....


Then this:

There does come a time when force, even physical force, is appropriate... A true Christian in Hitler's Germany and in the occupied countries should have defied the false and counterfeit state. This brings us to a current issue that is crucial for the future of the church in the United States, the issue of abortion... It is time we consciously realize that when any office commands what is contrary to God's law it abrogates it's authority. And our loyalty to the God who gave this law then requires that we make the appropriate response in that situation...

Was any conservative political leader associated with Dad running for cover? Far from it. Dad was a frequent guest of the Kemps, had lunch with the Fords, stayed in the White House as their guest, he met with Reagan, helped Dr. C. Everett Koop become Surgeon General. (I went on the 700 Club several times to generate support for Koop). ...

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 16, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

obama-gephardt would make the midwest competitive for democrats this election cycle...

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 09:24 PM
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Gephardt has endoresed Clinton. Oops.

Posted by: thinkwithyourbrain | March 16, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: sherirogers | March 16, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

iowatreasures,

if you think the clintons are ethically challenged only when it comes to sex, you need to get out more

we don't need a repetition of the 1990s in the white house, the pardons for narcos and union busters, the sleezy contributions traced back to the communist chinese (who have an awful record on women's issues), all the reasons why hamilton jordan, carter's former chief of staff, called the couple our 'first grifters.'

besides, i remember jfk, he was a hero of mine, and bill clinton is no jfk.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 16, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

"auotmatic Delegats"? Is THAT what the insider party machine calls them?

No. The party calls them superdelegates - and reghardless...

If they go against the vote of the people I'm getting on a plane to protest the theft of democracy in person riiiight outside the convention....along wilth a million others I'd guess.

hillary CAN'T win - No way can she win 65% of all the remaining delgates, and popular vote. So instead of geting elected she's out to STEAL the nomination from the voters by arm twisting and thinks calling Superdelegates by a different name will lull us into stupidity.

First racism and bigotry.
Now intellectual dishonesty.

What's next from hillary?

Whatever it is it will be disgusting behavior, rest assured, because she will do or say ANYTHING to steal this nomination from the voters.

Vote Obama!

Posted by: onestring | March 16, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

People in Pennsylvania and elsewhere should take a closer look at this piece from the son of a conservative Christian minister:

"When Senator Obama's preacher thundered about racism and injustice Obama suffered smear-by-association. But when my late father -- Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer -- denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr.

"Every Sunday thousands of right wing white preachers (following in my father's footsteps) rail against America's sins from tens of thousands of pulpits. They tell us that America is complicit in the "murder of the unborn," has become "Sodom" by coddling gays, and that our public schools are sinful places full of evolutionists and sex educators hell-bent on corrupting children. They say, as my dad often did, that we are, "under the judgment of God." They call America evil and warn of immanent destruction. By comparison Obama's minister's shouted "controversial" comments were mild. All he said was that God should damn America for our racism and violence and that no one had ever used the N-word about Hillary Clinton."

Before you folks start casting stones, take a look at the double standard here. Wright is excoriated; the white pastors are invited to eat at the White House.

Posted by: sherirogers | March 16, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama can blab all he wants about distancing himself from Rev. Wrights, "God Damn America," speeches and rhetoric.

People aren't going to forget, even if the media quits talking about it. That episode is set in stone, no getting around it, Barack, along with Michelle saying she has never been proud of this country her whole adult life, or you not wearing a flag pin.

You are like swiss cheese - there are holes in nearly everything you say and do.

And we politically minded folks have memories like elephants. You are going to be a footnote in history. You should have listened to your mother. She was an intelligent, smart woman.

She would not have approved of your criminal circle of friends, or your Chicago corrupt style of politics. I will never forget, in Iowa, when you said, "I know how to win elections." I thought then that was curious, now I find it prophetic - I hope you don't win this primary election.

We don't need another "roll of the dice." The first one nearly ruined our country, and you would just finish the job. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 16, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cavalierauc | March 16, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

dlcreationz: We will make sure that Obama will not be in our dreams or nightmares, by voting McCain in the General Election. Now please go ahead and "...laol all day and night..."

Posted by: wp123 | March 16, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Okay... I post and then hit the road.

I have been observing the posts since Pastor Wright became a PROBLEM Child for Barack HUSSEIN Obama.

Let us look at it from another view point.

If there was any political candidate that was white either a male or female that had gone to any church or had gone to weekly meeting that were anti-jewish, anti-black, anti-white. That candidate would be removed from contention as a candidate. There would be no questions asked.. Main stream media would have him on camera 24 hours per day until he resigned his office. Carry it further and if it was a white supremacist group it would be even worst.

If you see the website for the church that Hussein Obama has attended for the past twenty years.. they proclaim that theirs is a Black African Religion. Which turns out to be a Black Extremist religion.

Main stream media will wash this under the rug... because the DNC and the rich AND POWER Black Leaders what a :Harvard Educated Black Man in the White House. No matter what.

Pastor White has been on the scene for several years. He was know as a 'loose cannon' back in March of 2007. Yet it takes
ONE YEAR for this to become an issue HOT ENOUGH that it is picked up by mainstream media. Talk about a COVERUP..

HUSSEIN OBAMA can not look directly into the camera with excessive blinking when he is trying to lie his way out of this one.

The church and the family are important aspects of our lives. For any individual to claim that he was unaware of what his mentor/adopted uncle's beliefs were for 20 years is a creative amnesia. By the comments of Michele Obama... she is just NOW proud of being America. Which leaves no doubt about her feelings about America.. and MAY be in direct relationship to her attending sermons preached by PASTOR WRIGHT.

There should be a Congressional investigation into the political/terrorist/
subversive teachings of said church.

Again... nothing is being said today about this issue BECAUSE Black America and the DNC and mainstream media... do not have the guts to investigate this issue any further.

Posted by: miller51550 | March 16, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

darn it, warner, i guess that brings us back to jim web and bill richardson, still some strong choices...

my favorite right now is obama-richardson

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Yes, if I had to put money on it, I would bet Obama-Richardson.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Martinedwinandersen | March 16, 2008 09:10

I say to you, if you want to finish the job about people in the White House who have had affairs, you need to include President Eisenhower - who had a girlfriend while he was a General, and as President.

Franklin D. Roosevelt had a girlfriend while in the White House - she was even at his bedside in another state when he died.

John F. Kennedy had several relationships while married to Jackie.

George Herbert Walker Bush was rumored to have an affair, and when a reporter asked him about it, he wouldn't answer, he just said, "You know better than to ask those sleazy questions," and darted off away from the reporter.

The infidelity of Clinton is long past and the Clinton's have worked out their relationship for the good of themselves and their daughter. It's time to move on and leave the Clinton's alone. They went through all the scrutiny they need.

They still ended up with a 70% approval rating among Democrats, and are wonderful, civic-minded people, who have been proud of this country, their whole, entire, adult lives, despite the scrutiny. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 16, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

kinda like clinton-gore brough a little more reach into the south by the democrats in 92... obama-gephard would do bring the democrats close into the midwest in 08.


obama-richardson would placate old latina women who were going blindly pro-clinton even though she took their votes for granted. any downsides to minority candidates would note change much by having another minority candidate as vp, but it would patch up some weanesses. further, new mexico is a swing-state.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

The grate uniter is fighting with his own church now. Through his own pastor under the Bus for political reasons (good as they may be). Maybe he is evil enough to be pres after all.

This is a joke.

BTW I lived in Chicago - a Racist city if ever there was one. There is a lot of black nationism and such on the south side so Obama had to play with fire so to speak to get along. He just can't switch that fast and be credible.

Posted by: mul | March 16, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

zb95:

You never did answer my hypothetical question: Why should she "go away" if she ends up securing the Democratic nomination with more that 2,025 delegates?

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How can she get more than 2025? Nobody looking at this situation honestly believes she can get there. Math is biased against Hillary.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA-WEBB,

BECAUSE WHEN THEY AREN'T ANSWERING THE CALL OF NATIONAL SECURITY, THEY'D BE A HELL OF A BASKETBALL PICK UP DUO.

HAPPY ST. PATRICK'S DAY TO ALL FELLOW POSTERS OF GOOD WILL.

(P.S. THE LEPRECHAUNS AND THEIR WIVES ARE STILL CONSTRUCTING THOSE LADDERS SO THE WEE FOLK CAN REACH THE VOTING MACHINES AND CAST THEIR BALLOTS FOR BARACK O'BAMA!!!)

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 16, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

obama-gephardt would make the midwest competitive for democrats this election cycle...

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

TO THE Washington Post RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS
AND SIMILAR BLOGS - IMMEDIATE ACTION REQUIRED
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It is normal that a person write many posts
when discussing with another persons. But
it is not tolerable that your blogs are used to transmit nessages from a certain political campaign.

The blogger SVREADER is sending each few minutes messages, many of them repeated up to 5 times, with a very few exception not
answering to any other blogger, but transmitting propaganda against one candidate. He is online diuring 1 or 2 hours, then leaves and seemingle posts under a different name on other media blogs.
Also seemingly, he works together withRAT-THE, who posts at the same hours

Only as example, here on this blog he appeared only once as answering, at 4.01pm,
but sent obvios Polical campaign, mainly HATE messages, at pm (with repetitions)

2 hours 47-52-55 minutes
3 hours 01-06-17-24-28-31-32-40-46-50-52 ----56-58 min
4 hours 00 min

I request respectfully TO BAN THIS BLOGGER
SVREADER AND AT YOUR CRITERIA ALSO RAT-THE

THANK YOU

CAMINITO

leaving after that

Posted by: caminito | March 16, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

darn it, warner, i guess that brings us back to jim web and bill richardson, still some strong choices...

my favorite right now is obama-richardson

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

zb95:

You never did answer my hypothetical question: Why should she "go away" if she ends up securing the Democratic nomination with more that 2,025 delegates?

Posted by: JakeD | March 16, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

If anyone out there gets WGN-News (Chicago), at 9 pm they're going to interview some of the church members.

That should be interesting!

Posted by: hyperlexis | March 16, 2008 08:30 PM
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I don't think I can get that from Iowa. Maybe - what channel? Can you tell us the gist of what they say? gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 16, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind if Obama chose Mark Warner as VP

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Yes, I like Mark Warner as VP also. The issue is that he is now a candidate for VA Senate and would win easily. However, I have read that he can withdraw within the next couple of months and there are other good Dem candidates to replace him.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama go what?

Obama go bye bye?

Obama cultist don't make this harder then it has to be. Hope and dreams and justice have been killed by the evil Clintons.

God D America - If you know what I mean.

First B slapped by Canada then lies - Now B slapped by his own church then more lies.

It is a case of the the Chickens coming home to roost.

Posted by: mul | March 16, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I am certainly praying that Hillary DIANE Clinton's "scorched earth" campaign did plenty of permanent damage to either Democrat's hopes for the Presidency ; )

Posted by: JakeD | March 16, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Only desperate hillary supporters, media desperate for ratings, and rush-limbaugh type republicans give hillary's negative kitchen sink attacks any attention.

The facts are that the race is now boring and out of reach on the democrat and republican sides.

The most interesting stories will now be who mccain and obama choose as vp's, and if hillary's scorched earth campagin did any permanent damage to the democrat's hopes for the presidency.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Greenspan says this is the biggest financial mess since WW2. But Pastor Wright is the focus of the media and nitwits on this board. Dumb.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 08:42 PM

Greenspan got us in the this mess so he should know. The HRC people are trying to get someone in the white house that can help with this mess.

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How is HRC going to help solve the impending financial meltdown? If she wins just trashing Obama won't help her anymore.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

The deadline to apply to register to vote in Pennsylvania (30 days prior to each election) is March 22nd:

https://www.pavoterservices.state.pa.us/Pages/VoterRegistrationApplication.aspx

Posted by: JakeD | March 16, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama lied... Big Lies.
1. Connection with Rezko
2. Intimate relation with fanatic Pastor Wright
How could he say he did not know Wright's political philosophy.
He calls wright Uncle, his spiritual mentor.
He stay in Wright's Church for 20 years.
Now he say he disagree with Wright.
...
I wish Obamania will finish soon. Wake up Obama's supportors

Posted by: zien106 | March 16, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

dgblues:

It's a "closed" primary, but nothing prevents a Republican / Independent from re-registering as a Democrat for a day ; )

Posted by: JakeD | March 16, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind if Obama chose Mark Warner as VP, on first review...
Jim Webb I don't think as highly of, maybe a little too centrist and independent, but at the same time, he does seem to be on Obama's ideological footing opposing the war in Iraq and running a centrist campaign that invites republicans rather than scare them like hillary did.

Obama and someone who matches his views seems reasonable as the ticket.

Hillary doesn't have to drop out, but she should certainly endorse obama as soon as she loses, and stop the scorched earth campaign, it makes her less popular in democratic circles since everyone knows she already lost. Obama's campagin can finish the easy layup left to put the game beyond hillary's reach.
just a short string of close elections is all that's needed, since hillary would need a huge popular vote lead just to have an argument for the superdelegates.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

DISPATCHES FROM THE GROUND WAR ...

THE HUFFINGTON POST IS REPORTING ...

Obama Prepares For Full Assault On Clinton's Ethics
Huffington Post |
March 16, 2008 11:13 AM

The Chicago Tribune reports that Barack Obama's is pushing this week for greater transparency in his campaign as part of a plan to launch a head-on attack against his opponent Sen. Clinton.

Sen. Barack Obama is trying to air his dirty laundry -- even some items that might appear just a little wrinkled -- as he prepares a full assault on Sen. Hillary Clinton over ethics and transparency.

On Saturday he invoked Robert F. Kennedy as he continued to try to distance himself from controversial statements made by his former Chicago pastor that are circulating on the Internet.

With a gap between campaign contests, Obama is trying to unload controversies. On Friday he held extended conversations with the Tribune and Chicago Sun-Times about his longtime relationship with indicted developer and fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko.

The Illinois Democrat is also expected to make public his tax returns for several years before 2006, documents he previously has provided to the Tribune and other news organizations.

The plan seems to be yielding dividends, if the Tribune is to be believed. After sitting with the papers editorial board to answer every question asked about his relationship with Tony Rezko, the Chicago Tribune had this to say:

When we endorsed Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination Jan. 27, we said we had formed our opinions of him during 12 years of scrutiny. We concluded that the professional judgment and personal decency with which he has managed himself and his ambition distinguish him.

Nothing Obama said in our editorial board room Friday diminishes that verdict.

We said in that same editorial that Obama had been too self-exculpatory in explaining away his ties to Tony Rezko. And we've been saying since Nov. 3, 2006 -- shortly after the Tribune broke the story of Obama's house purchase -- that Obama needed to fully explain his Rezko connection. He also needed to realize how susceptible he had been to someone who wanted a piece of him -- and how his skill at recognizing that covetousness needed to rise to the same stature as his popular appeal.

Friday's session evidently fulfills both obligations. Might we all be surprised by some future disclosure? Obama's critics have waited 16 months for some new and cataclysmic Rezko moment to implicate and doom Obama. It hasn't happened....

...Barack Obama now has spoken about his ties to Tony Rezko in uncommon detail. That's a standard for candor by which other presidential candidates facing serious inquiries now can be judged.
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NOTE: AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE, THE PARTY OF CHANGE CANNOT BE A PARTY TO CORRUPTION.

INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY IS THE CORNERSTONE TO GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILITY.

THESE ARE NOT JUST WORDS. IF YOU DOUBT THE SINCERITY OF THIS POST, PLEASE GOOGLE MY NAME, AND THE WORDS "WHISTLEBLOWER" AND "RENO."

TIME TO RESTORE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY TO ITS PRE-CLINTON STANDARD OF ETHICS AND TRANSPARENCY.

AND A LITTLE RESPECT, PLEASE, FOR THE MEANING OF THE WORD "IS"--SO MALIGNED BY BILL CLINTON.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 16, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Is it me or does svreader seem like someone who has some mental issues?

Posted by: DrSubtle | March 16, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

What about the people who froze to death in "Obama's Slums?"

What about Obama's dismal record in the Senate, as reported by the NYT?

What about the fact that Obama knows nothing about how to do the job of being President?

If we elect Hillary, we get both Hillary and Bill.

Hillary is the ultimate expert on the issues we face as a nation.

That's what she spend all her time and brain cells on.

Bill was the best President in recent US history.

He turned a Republican deficit into a Democratic surplus.

He did a fantastic job in international relations.

Hillary was Bill's closest advisor.

She'd be a great President.

That's why we should choose her.

We need her experience, insight, and brains.

If we elect her, we get all of that, and all of Bill's experience and expertise as well.

If we elect Obama, we get another "pretty boy" who doesn't know what he's doing.

We had enough of that with Bush!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

dlcreationz:

Your 74% ignores the fact that super delegates will break hard for whomever the nominee is going to be (in this case, Hillary DIANE Clinton ; )

Posted by: JakeD | March 16, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

The other big story out there is that many Dem leaders are very concerned about negative coattails if Hillary is the nominee.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

This could trigger a domino effect. Greenspan says this is the biggest financial mess since WW2.

But Pastor Wright is the focus of the media and nitwits on this board. Dumb.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 08:42 PM

This is a political board. Go on the Redskins Insider they will talk about the redskins Wow.

Greenspan got us in the this mess so he should know.

The HRC people are trying to get someone in the white house that can help with this mess.

Posted by: mul | March 16, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

The only way we Democrats can lose is if we nominate Barry Obama.

He's got more skeletons in his closet than costco at Halloween.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama is ignoring PA. Clinton was in Pittsburgh in the St. Pats Day parade, and both hubby and daughter have visited so far. Obama canceled his visit to a Penn State branch campus to vote in DC.

You see, the PA primary is closed. The candidate of the party machine will win in a landslide. Rendell has twisted the arms of all the Dem mayors who are eager to tow the line to stay in his good graces. Plus, the dirty little secret no one talked about in Ohio applies in PA as well: there's no way the rural white Pennsylvanian will never vote for a n-----.

So Obama I think is wisely and quietly conceding the state to fight his battles elsewhere. Clinton wins by 20 points, and, elbows flying, takes this all the way to the convention where she'll steal this away from Obama by hook or by crook. And the ensuing McCain presidency will be utter disaster. Thanks, DLC.

As for Rezko, let's not forget that while he's heading for trial, Clinton's buddy Norman Hsu, who collected hundreds of thousands from some Chinese dude who lives out near the airport, is serving time in prison having been caught fleeing on a train. Rezko totalled $250K in donations; Hsu's total was $800,000. At the time Hsu was Clinton's pal, he was a fugitive from a 1992 fraud case.

So if you want to go there, let's go there, but if I were you, Obama snipes, I'd keep my mouth shut lest the entire truth be known.

Posted by: dgblues | March 16, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Colon Powell? Who the hell is Colon Powell?

Posted by: wp123 | March 16, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

dont you guys knows the Hillary needs to win by 74% percent to catch obama.lol idiots.Obama is Gonna be in your dreams went he win and then you will be waking up at 3.00 am to see that your Candidate couldn't get that far... SMH... laol all day all night ...and peace to the haters

Posted by: dlcreationz | March 16, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Peter.

Did you graduate elementary school. Do you know how to play with others or read? well, let's just say that you did, even though your posts show no evidence of it. Research your guy, don't just spread rumors and hearsay about her. Find out how little he has accomplished in public office. Find out how sketchy the plans he has actually disclosed are and how they are actually more conservative than hers. Find out, from the New Republic (a liberal journal), how he has race baited the whole campaign while claiming to run a "different kind of campaign" http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304&k=5083. Look up who his corporate donors are, since he accepts bundled money from groups, just doesn't take direct PAC or lobbyinst money (which has been capped since McCain-Fiengold and doesn't amount to anything nowadays anyway-bundled money is how influcenc is peddled. Find out who he really is. Stop chasing after interpretations of what Hillary supporters say and look at what the "mentor" -ACCORDING TO HIS BIOGRAPHY, SPEECHES and DONATIONS has been saying in his church. When you are done write some facts about your guy rather than teasing the other party about fluff. If you can come up with actual reasons to vote for the guy beyond rhetoric, than go ahead and do so, otherwise shut up and grow up.

Leon

Posted by: nycLeon | March 16, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

zb95:

That's right; she will get MORE than the amount needed for the nomination.

Posted by: JakeD | March 16, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Obama's wins are mostly irrelevant -- winning caucuseswhere less than 5% of the voters vote. Winning red states that will never go democratic. He has a few 3 or 4 good wins - IL, MO, ans wisconsin. That's it.
But the big thing he is a trjan horse, a charlaten, he will have hos Arab friends partying in the white house. It is amazing he has duped so many people for so long.
Stop the fraud now.

Hillary is such a great candidate and we cannot afford to lose her.

Posted by: dsclinton | March 16, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

FYI, Obama has already recovered from the Wright controversy. Both Rasmussen and Gallup daily tracking showed a slight dip yesterday but today his nubmers are coming back up. Most news orgs have dropped the story. Obama handled the situation perfectly.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 04:38 PM

WTF

Ok cultist stop telling Hillary to drop out. Don't think the preacher man is not a big big story. Don't talk like a spin-er about pledged del. Votes are what matter Hillary is 1.4 percent behind if you count Florida voters. The only real state she might lose is Oregon. IN and NC Obama is F-ed now with the preacher man and the lies he just told about "I don't no nothing." That will be the next round of stories "what did he know where was he" more lies exposed.

Main thing is he should have waited and not been the un-candidate. Then he would not have had to build his campine on Gerry, and Bill, I am soo nice, and make up lies about Hillary on 60 min.

Pathetic - He cant win the GE now.

Posted by: mul | March 16, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Logan6:

But I thought YOU just put me into the category of "racist"? I think it's safe for me to judge Obama's character just from his being pro-choice -- that has nothing to do with his middle name / color of his skin -- the rest about his pastor, Rezko, etc. is just gravy.

Posted by: JakeD | March 16, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

From the Chicago Sun Times:

For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago's South Side.

It was just four years after the landlords -- Antoin "Tony'' Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru -- had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.

Rezko and Mahru couldn't find money to get the heat back on.

But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building....

The building in Englewood was one of 30 Rezmar rehabbed in a series of troubled deals largely financed by taxpayers. Every project ran into financial difficulty. More than half went into foreclosure, a Chicago Sun-Times investigation has found.

"Their buildings were falling apart,'' said a former city official. "They just didn't pay attention to the condition of these buildings.''

Eleven of Rezko's buildings were in Obama's state Senate district....

Rezko and Mahru had no construction experience when they created Rezmar in 1989 to rehabilitate apartments for the poor under the Daley administration. Between 1989 and 1998, Rezmar made deals to rehab 30 buildings, a total of 1,025 apartments. The last 15 buildings involved Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland during Obama's time with the firm.

Rezko and Mahru also managed the buildings, which were supposed to provide homes for poor people for 30 years. Every one of the projects ran into trouble:

* Seventeen buildings -- many beset with code violations, including a lack of heat -- ended up in foreclosure.

* Six buildings are currently boarded up.

* Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.

* Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.

* At least a dozen times, the city of Chicago sued Rezmar for failure to heat buildings.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Why should she "go away" if she ends up securing the Democratic nomination with more that 2,025 delegates?

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She won't get 2,025 delegates.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Primary voters must register as Democrats as of March 24, nearly a full month before election day. Obama is running radio ads in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia to urge students, independents and Republicans -- three key constituencies to keep the race close -- to register as Democrats before the deadline.
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Obama and his campaign workers are brazen
and undemocratic.

To think that Axelrod would openly tell people to register as Democrats to vote for Obama to skewer the primary election in his favor.

How brain dead is that? Of course, in November, these same cross-overs will re-register again in the fall and vote for the Republican.

It was also brazen in Iowa when the paid foot soldiers from Illinois came in to work on the campaign and then fill out a piece of paper the night of the caucus and actually vote in the caucus and the next day, pack their bags and leave.

This "Chicago "fixing" corruption mind-set of Obama and his campaign are getting to me. Their message of hope and unity sucks. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 16, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

zb95:

Why should she "go away" if she ends up securing the Democratic nomination with more that 2,025 delegates?

Posted by: JakeD | March 16, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, I hardly know myself. I do not know how one can know someone else characters. But we can judge someone actions. Obama has released his records, while Hillary did not. And the numbers speak for themselves. $31 million from a lobbyist recently (see one of my previous message). We should not judge Hillary or Barack by their characters but by their actions.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 16, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

eljefejesus:

Don't forget Florida, Michigan, and the super delegates ; )

Posted by: JakeD | March 16, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Hillary reminds me of the character Glen Close played in Fatal Attaction. Hillary just won't go away.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

natgeda:

Thank you for not voting for Hillary DIANE Clinton, no matter what.

Posted by: JakeD | March 16, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

itsatest.

Thats what we need for the urban agenda, more guns. Good representing Chicago.

Posted by: nycLeon | March 16, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Hilary is not a monster, she is the terminator, and she tries to refuse to die, but she is already pretty much at the end of her horror movie of petty "kitchen sink" attacks.

We just await the official word now.
She'll win Pennsylvia by not nearly-enough votes to make a difference.
She'll win one or two other primaries like puerto rico.

However, she lost the election already.

Obama's campaign is well organized and well-financed and has the competence to edge her out.

McCain may prove just as tough but beatable as Hillary. Bumps on the road to the white house.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I am an independent leaning libertarian fair-minded well-informed voter only want the best for America.

Let me input my thought an independent voter.

In the last two elections, I voted Bush. Why?

I liked Gore and about to vote for him but changed my mind on his selection of Lieberman - I do not like him.

The second election on two grounds voted for Bush. I find Bush personal likable and Carry boring me to death. Give Bush the benefit of doubt to finish the job he started.

I still like Bush but feel that the country need a new direction in many front not least the war in Iraq that costing us 12B a month.

This year election sure is for democrat to lose by both candidates. At least Obama has a long shot against McCain and my vote may go for him.

Clinton under no circumstance come fire or Hell I am not going to vote for her and so many of my friends feel the same. If she wins, we are going to move to Brazil. Why? I had enough with Clintons. I would like to vote for a Woman but not for this one

Inglewood, California

Posted by: natgeda | March 16, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

eljefejesus:

Think of the criticism of his pastor as a back-up argument (I was referring to Obama as "mostly" dead, but I think you knew that ; )

Logan6:

I am not a racist -- neither do I "hate" Obama or even attack him for his middle name / color of his skin -- that does not the determine the content of his character.

Posted by: JakeD | March 16, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Old_Europe- Stop being such a hater. Like most of you obamites you attack since you don't have any issues to run on. Anyhow-
The reason she calls the Texas vote a victory is because she got more votes- the same reason that Obama has called Idaho, North Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, Alaska and Kansas "victories" even though these were caucuses where less than 50,000 people showed up (he got 5600 votes to win in WY) She won by 4% with more than 2,000,000 people voting (atleast 80,000 votes)- so mathmatically, that would be called a victory. If you don't like that mathmatical equation, than please stop bragging about winning the majority of states when the 7 states I mentioned total a population that is less than 1/2 of NYC's population (and of those only about 4% of the total population votes in the ridiculous Dem caucuses
Leon

Posted by: nycLeon | March 16, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama's voters depended on him to look out for them.

Obama did nothing.

That says everything.

Obama let the people who voted him into office freeze to death in the slums in his discrict and did nothing about it.

Obama had funneled $100M to his friend and campaign contributor Rezko to repair them, the work was never done, and Obama never followed up on the contract as he was required to do.

After Obama got to the US senate, he still did nothing about the slums in his old district, or the rest of Chicago.

Obama lied repeatedly about his connection with Rezko.

Obama let the poorest of the poor, who depended on him to protect them, suffer and die in horrible slums.

Obama is a racist, and attends a racist church.

Obama is a slick and slimy a chicago politician as anybody could imagine.

Obama is a fraud.

That's the REAL BARRY OBAMA!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile the country is headed for a momunental financial crisis. Bear Stearns is reporting they are insolvent and will be sold to JP Morgan at a fraction of its current value. This could trigger a domino effect. Greenspan says this is the biggest financial mess since WW2.

But Pastor Wright is the focus of the media and nitwits on this board. Dumb.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Mark my words,In 2 months all the Obama supports would jump ships and run for the hills. He is toooo controversial and shady.He has too much controversy around him.Lack of experience is to say the least.

God I dread to imagine Farakkhan, Jeremiah Wright, Gaddafi and his madrassa friends partying in White House plotting to bring shariah law in USA.

99% of Indian Americans will not votefor Obama. Majority of Jewish Americans and Asian will not too. You know why? because we can smell a rotten candidate from a mile.

Posted by: shailverma71 | March 16, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, to answer your question, I would put you in the category of racist... Your intent behind your reference to "hussein" when you refer to Barack is quite clear. There is nothing wrong about a middle name. "hussein" is a lovely middle name. But when someone like you use it as a weapon of hate, it shows the type of person you are. Do you know how many white child molesters or killers we could find on the web with a first name, a middle name or a last name matching yours? But I doubt that you are such a person. You should use your common sense before attacking someone because of his name or the color of his skin.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 16, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

mo897 wrote, "Most of the Obama supporters commenting can ONLY justify his campaign and Presidency by attacking Clinton and/or McCain. The doublestandard and hypocrisy of the Obama supporters is beyond absurd"


What can you expect with college graduates that lost their common sense in the classroom.

Posted by: Skinsfan1978 | March 16, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I know what republican primary winner mccain and democrat primary loser hillary have in common: voting to support iraq!
right?

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

As much as I like Wesley Clark as VP, I don't think he will be on Obama's list since he has been one of Hillary's supporters... he has lots of qualified people already on his side.

I was for Clark in '04, but he bet on the wrong horse when he went for Hillary, so that's it for him... but maybe a cabinet post?

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Who cares if Obama doesn't win PA. He has won 30 contests so far, and PA is just one state in a 10-state elections still remaining. He will still win delegates and he has NC and other states to look forward to.

Posted by: cile92 | March 16, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I have come to the following conclusion: never in my life-time will there be an ELECTED president of my country (the very same one I love and serve) that shares the same issue of pigmentation as I.

Growing up, I was told by everyone in my family that, for me, I could not be great at something or "just" better than someone else at a certain skill. Instead, I had to be the greatest or the best... especially if I were going to compete against those who do not share my "background". Now there are some who would like to deny as being paranoid and can point out examples of individuals who were neither and still got ahead. But for everyone of those, there are ten who were more qualified and didn't. To be the first balck anything means you must be perfect (there's a reason they chose Jackie Robinson- and I'm glad they did). Because had he failed there would be no "Say Hey Kid" or "Hammering Hank".

This is why I can make the statement I started this post off with. Unfortunately, the "Jackie Robinson" I'm talking about was not able to make a run do to the extreme likelihood an assassin's bullet would have ended it. When in 1996 Colin Powell declined to run I was happy because I knew how the story would end. This year's candidate is no Jackie Robinson... actually I'd say he's more a Willie Mays, but with no 42 out in front. Obama is not the perfect candidate, but at the same time he's an upgrade over the last few choices. But because he looks more like me than my best friend in high school, he'll never get the chance.

From the onset, I thought this guy would be marginalized or be at the top of the VP list. But as the campaign moved along, I thought he had a chance. But then, especially after this past week, reality set in. After all, Willie Mays, as great as he was, is no Jackie Robinson.

In the end, my once in a lifetime chance, was assassinated just the same.

Posted by: ro_p | March 16, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Who are these I hate Obama but will vote for Hillary or McCain people? This doesn't make sense. They have only one thing in common.

Posted by: jimm_barr | March 16, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

wake up, folks! Everytime I hear someone calling one of his/her fellow citizen 'unamerican', I fear about the destiny of this country...


Posted by: stearm | March 16, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Either way,
it seems latinos will vote democratic no matter how much hoopla and divisions people try to portray between the minority communities, since Latinos are disgusted by the anti-hispanic tendencies and bills pushed by the republicans last year...

even the cubans voted based on the immigration issue, going mccain over romney.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Clinton needs to win by 20 points in PA or she has lost. IF she cannot keep her lead after the worst week ever for Obama she is clearly a loser. Oh by the way, I cannot find my copy of Clinton's 2006 taxes. Can someone send me a copy?

Posted by: jimm_barr | March 16, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama's VP short list contains the following:

Mark Warner
Bill Richardson
Wesley Clark
Kathleen Sebelius
Claire McCaskill
Jim Webb
Chuck Hagel

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama's VP short list contains the following:

Mark Warner
Bill Richardson
Wesley Clark
Kathleen Sebelius
Claire McCaskill
Jim Webb
Chuck Hagel

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Atlast media is waking up to see the real Barack H Obama. Watching all the disgusting Jeremiah Wright videos in YouTube one begins to think, is this Pastor really a Christian or is he having a secret Muslim agenda which he has been pastoring to Barack for over 20 years.

There are too many unanswered questions one have to ponder. First his middle name, Secondly his early life ties to islamic upbringing. His father being moslem. His endorsement by Farakkhan. His attack on calling Hillary a D-Punjab thus poking fun of her Indian connections. His ties to Arab Tony Resko. His pastor who has been his GURUji for over 20 years praises Palestine, ridicules Israel, Berates his own country and spews virulent hate speech. He also gives achievement award to a racist like Farrakhan.

I always wonder why Obama supporters would want to vote for someone who is endorsed by Virulent racist like Farrakhan and Secret Muslim pastor like Jeremiah Wright?

Why dont you guys love my America? and vote Hillary or McCain?

Posted by: shailverma71 | March 16, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama has the support of Bill Bradley, Tom Dashle, Clair McKaskill, and Joe Biden. Pelosi and Richardson also seem to be leaning his way. I can not think of one prominent relevant Democrat that is supporting Clinton. Could it be because she is a cancer to the party?

Who cares about his pastor? Who by the way told the absolute truth. We financed and trained Al Queda. Blacks make up 90% prisons. Mandatory sentencing guidelines in Black communities.

Posted by: ne_voice | March 16, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Hello WaPo:

I don't understand this. What does he need to "spin?" He lost. He already has said he will probably lose. What is there to spin?? He lost PA. And...

Ok: Let's not play in Hillaryland any more:

Clinton wins PA (as expected). As Chuck Todd says: And what then? They move on, and nothing changes. Obama is ahead in all that matters to (acc to the NYTimes today)the Party.

Clinton loses PA (surprise). As Chuck Todd says: And so what? Maybe this whole thing then comes to an end (for which we will all be grateful). But if not...
Read above.

Obama comes within 10 (his stated aim). As Chuck Todd says: And so what? Read above.

Has the WaPo noticed the serious decline in the quality and seriousness of postings lately? Maybe at this point (in between contests) there is really nothing to report. So what you get here (and other websites) are angry people, and not very thoughtful discussions.

Suggestion: Maybe serious people are sitting this time out. Maybe they are not particularly interested in every syllable that falls out of the mouths of members of either campaign (although Obama's Indiana speech about divisions was interesting. The entire speech is available on Andrew Sullivan/DailyKos and other places). What I am doing is trying to learn more about the grassroots stuff that is going on in Oregon, NC and other places. I find DailyKos really helpful.

Maybe some investigative reporting about the actual community workings of the campaigns (not gotcha stuff, but really how campaigns work from day to day through the efforts of "natives" of the different states)may attract, hmmm, more (again) thoughtful comments.

just a suggestion.

Posted by: mphillip3455 | March 16, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

If anyone out there gets WGN-News (Chicago), at 9 pm they're going to interview some of the church members.

That should be interesting!

Posted by: hyperlexis | March 16, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

If anyone out there gets WGN-News (Chicago), at 9 pm they're going to interview some of the church members.

That should be interesting!

Posted by: hyperlexis | March 16, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

If anyone out there gets WGN-News (Chicago), at 9 pm they're going to interview some of the church members.

That should be interesting!

Posted by: hyperlexis | March 16, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama/Jim Webb '08

Strength, integrity and honor.

And ticket to the future.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 16, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama/Jim Webb '08

Strength, integrity and honor.

And ticket to the future.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 16, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Either way,
it seems latinos will vote democratic no matter how much hoopla and divisions people try to portray between the minority communities, since Latinos are disgusted by the anti-hispanic tendencies and bills pushed by the republicans last year...

even the cubans voted based on the immigration issue, going mccain over romney.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

I think the media is spinning. If Obama loses PA, so what? All candidates lose some states and win some states. Why, then, would there be a need to spin? Hillary didn't spin her 11 straight losses--she completely ignored them and just moved on to March 4th. (The media, of course, was another story.)

I'm tired of the spin anyway. I'm tired of hearing things like the votes in Florida and Michigan were obtained fairly and that only the big states count IF Hillary won them. I, for one, would love to discuss facts for a change.

Posted by: Seneca7 | March 16, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama-Kennedy

Ted Kennedy would bring the experience...
and yet would he help with Latinos as much as an Obama-Richardson ticket?


Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Just "winning" PA, FL and MI is not good enough. She needs to win huge. It won't happen. Hillary's only hope is the outstanding supers and by most accounts they are leaning to Obama.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Jaked,
that is funny, but too hypocritical to work!
so why criticize someone's christian preacher if you don't think they listen to them?

Hillary, as you put it, is "mostly" dead, meaning even as a terminator robot, she is much easier to finish off now. I guess being a monster would come in handy to her right about now...

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Logan6:

Please name ONE person who has posted above who you think "hate[s] Barack Obama for the color of his skin"? Thanks in advance.

Posted by: JakeD | March 16, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Obama will turn the Wright controversy into a positive. Just wait and see.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

What do Bobby Junior and Kathleen bring to the table for Obama?
Ted Kennedy brings obama, and his downsides are all as well-known as Hillary's.

Obama-Kennedy... I guess there are more than one potential kennedy though...

anyone hav suggestions on which one is best?

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

eljefejesus:

Both (secret Muslim agents would be wise to pose as "Christians" no?).

Posted by: JakeD | March 16, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

To all good people who hate Barack Obama for the color of his skin,

All the racists and other misfits of America are behind you. Let's show that the KKK is not dead. Heil Hitler!

Posted by: Logan6 | March 16, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

eljefejesus:

If she wins Pennsylvania and can get Florida / Michigan delegates seated, she won't need a miracle ; )

Posted by: JakeD | March 16, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

So which is it HIllary supporters, are you attacking Obama's african middle-name for sounding like a Muslim-sounding name, or his Christian preacher?

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Ted Kennedy of course! Who else would you consider?

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Bobby Jr or Kathleen Kennedy Townsend

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

eljefejesus:

"Virtually" locked-up sounds a little bit like "mostly" dead -- as we all knowm there's a big difference between "mostly" dead, and "all" dead -- mark my words: Barack HUSSEIN Obama will not be sworn in as President on January 20, 2009.

Posted by: JakeD | March 16, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I am getting tired of saying this but OBAMA IS TOAST. I do not understand what the die-hard obama supporters try to do by acting like nothing happened last week. The Clintons will not bring up the Wright issue as they have been chastised by the Democratic party 'Leadership', so the issue is not on TV as much as it should be. But sure enough there are lots of people (Republicans) who will bring it up to the end. Again, to recap OBAMA IS TOAST

Posted by: dsclinton | March 16, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

The only people not willing to face the fact that Obama won the primary seem to be diehard & desperate hillary supporters, and republicans pushing for a "rush effect" in which rush limbaugh supporters wnat the democrats to bloody each other up before the general election, so they keep tyring to support hillary so her supporters will keep fooling themselves into thinking she can miraculously catch up.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

More good news for Barack Obama in the face of the Wright controversy:

On Saturday, Oregon AFSCME voted to endorse Barack Obama for President. Previously, the national AFSCME organization had endorsed Hillary Clinton. Oregon AFSCME becomes the only state organization in the country - other than Illinois AFSCME, in Obama's home state - to break ranks with the national. Oregon AFSCME's executive director, Ken Allen, described the vote as "overwhelming."

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I guess most normal people are not terribly concerned about Pastor Wright's comments.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

YoutheMan:

As far as I know, Barack HUSSEIN Obama is not a muslim (this has been another edition of "Simple Answers to Simple Questions").

Posted by: JakeD | March 16, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Ted Kennedy of course! Who else would you consider?

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

What, Hillary's still running? And she's still playing the race card?

So what? She lost!

So back to Obama's VP and cabinet... or is it too soon to right off mccain?

I guess McCain is not behind like Hillary, you still have to actually hold the general election becase no votes in that election are counted.

Meanwhile, Obama already has the Democratic nomination virtually locked up.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Dear racists/obama supporters:

No one is attacking Wright. They are only airing his own words.

No one is putting words in his mouth.

No one is paraphrasing.

He is being called to account for his own words.

Its about time.

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | March 16, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

This week the Scranton Times-Tribune ran a poll that showed that Hillary is at least as unpopular in the state as Rick Santorum, which is to say very unpopular.

So let's all sidle up to the bar for a bit and wait for the fat lady to sing.

The aria may be a surprise.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 16, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama-Kennedy would require more security than any candidates in the history of the world! But I would vote for them!

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Which Kennedy?

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I thought Obama was a muslim... what do you know?

Posted by: YoutheMan | March 16, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's not afraid to fight, because she's fighting for you!

Posted by: niksiz | March 16, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing how people are tarnishing Obama because he attended a church where a the Pastor made some outrageous statements. To answer the question why Obama stuck to this church for 20 years?
It is quite possible that Wright's choice of language on very few occassions was over the top and majority of the time he stuck to his relegious message. Also a church i would imagine is more than just the Pastor. There is a sense of community too.
In fact i would not be surprised if it is common in Black churches where sometimes the Preacher's use bombastic language and expose their bitterness of the past. This is not as simple as just leaving a church. One has to transcend this generational bitterness and torment.

If you look back at Obama's 18 year public life Obama has always conducted himself with dignity and been honest and transparent as possible without displaying his private life.
Obama's public record or deeds and words, his exemplary campaign where he rarely raised the issue of race weighs very heavily towards the opinion that Obama's views are not even remotely similar to the one displayed by Wright.

Posted by: venky1 | March 16, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama-Kennedy would require more security than any candidates in the history of the world! But I would vote for them!

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

The theme of the Wright controversy has now changed. Obama and the media are now portraying it as an opportunity to have an open and public dialogue about the anger and bitterness within the black community. This can only be a good thing for Barack and for America.
-- -- -- -- -- - -

Nice try at spin. The damage is done.

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I don't see any damage. Obama won 9 extra delegates yesterday in the midst of this "huge" controversy. Plus all the daily tracking polls showed an minimal dip yesterday but today his numbers are going back. I am sure Faux News and some others will try to keep this story in our face but most Americans are already beyond it. There are more importants issues facing this country.


Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama will take PA because he has the organization taht appeals to most of the democratic voters that are taken for granted by the old but impressive organization of the entrenched "D" interests.

His ability to go around them is not unlike Bill Clintons ability to go around the GOP during his tenure. In the end the people will get what they want. A new and fresh approach to the lingering problems that have not gone away with the old guard. People are fed up with the likes of Bush and Rendel. And Clinton for that matter, falls into this catagory since she has listened to the handlers time and time again. Obama is not tied to any of the cancer that we have had to endure. Also he should not invite Powell into his administration since The General has lots of baggage starting with the My Lai investigation and of course through the Bush nightmare.
Ta Ta For Now.

Posted by: JohnnyJoeBill | March 16, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama-Kennedy?

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Obama-Richarson
now that's a ticket.
then richardson could tell hillary before the convention "fuera!"

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Criticizing your country does not mean you hate it. In fact if you aren't angry now you aren't paying attention. America is not perfect, far from it. There is plenty of blame to go around but we all bear some of it. The only way this nation will progress is to face these issues headon.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama, just tell her:
"That's it Hillary, that's one too many attacks, you're off my short list for the Vice-Presidency."
...and hillary, take that kitchen sink with you.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama's Christian preacher isn't running for office, maybe that's why nobody cares about the Hillary camps attempt to make what he once said into a "news" story.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

zg95 Posted:
The theme of the Wright controversy has now changed. Obama and the media are now portraying it as an opportunity to have an open and public dialogue about the anger and bitterness within the black community. This can only be a good thing for Barack and for America.
-- -- -- -- -- - -

Nice try at spin. The damage is done. It's like trying to say a candidate who is friends with David Duke and had him as his mentor is going to unite the country and this gives us an opportunity to have a public dialogue about race in America. Some people are just racist.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 16, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

"The Texas caucaus system is also absurd! How can you force people to vote 2 times. In any other state voting 2 times is a criminal offense."

Well carlw, here in Illinois, the Land of Mayor Daley, Mr. Rezko, Rev. Wright, and, of course, Barack Obama, we pride ourselves in voting early, ...and often!

I wonder if the Rev. has a good sermon on that one.


Posted by: hyperlexis | March 16, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

You keep thinkin for yourself there zig...you might have somethin.

Posted by: brian | March 16, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Clinton's attacks on Obama are definitely one reason she's not going to be on his short list for VP's.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama should ask Colon Powel to serve in his administration as secretary of defense or secretary of state, if he would consider it.

He just might be able to pull in some respectable moderates on both sides to serve on such a historic administration.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

brian posted:
And gee I wonder who is trying to scare all the white folks? I wonder if PA is mostly white?
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OK genius, here goes: Every state is mostly white...but for California and perhaps one or two SW states that are more evenly split between black, white, latino.

And of course you are missing the point and playing the race card like Obama does so well. You are basically saying - "Those white folks don't know any crazy blacks so therefore they mustn't know ANY blacks."

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 16, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Sweet column: Obama's politically expedient ethics conversions. Earmarks latest example.
WASHINGTON -- Sen. Barack Obama, who had been declining to reveal earmarks he requested in 2005 and 2006, finally did so Thursday and probably would prefer the story to be about how his campaign challenged Democratic presidential rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, to do the same for her entire Senate tenure.

Instead, since I have some reporting history here, I am noting a pattern that has emerged: This is Obama's third ethical conversion of convenience -- taking on a higher standard, but only when it appears to be politically expedient. Obama is making government transparency and ethics a centerpiece of his presidential campaign.

The Obama record:


• • Obama took 23 subsidized rides on corporate jets in 2005, the first year he was in office. In January 2006, the very week he became the lead Senate Democrat on ethics, his office announced that in the future, his political war chest would pay the entire cost of using private planes.

• • Obama took donations from federal lobbyists and political action committees for his House and Senate races and his own Hopefund political action committee. He only stopped taking this political money -- speaking out against it -- when he launched his presidential campaign in February 2007.

• • Obama did disclose earmark requests he made in 2007; however, his office has been refusing since June, without explanation, to disclose earmarks Obama had sought previously. Thursday's decision to disclose came on the very day the Senate voted on a one-year earmark moratorium. It failed 71-29. Clinton and Obama voted in favor.

Obama and Clinton have signed on to this moratorium measure knowing one of them will face the presumptive GOP presidential nominee, Sen. John McCain, who is leading the drive against earmarks and does not request them. Last month, McCain taunted Obama on lack of earmark disclosure. Obama will seek no earmarks for Illinois this year.

Obama's presidential campaign hosted a conference call Thursday to trumpet his new disclosures even as they were being posted on the Internet. The call featured Obama ally Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.). McCaskill praised Obama's openness and said, "And I think if we are not willing to share things, like, you know, appointment calendars or earmarks, I think it is a bad sign for truly making a change in the way this place operates."

Since McCaskill raised the point: Obama has provided bare-bones information about his Senate schedule. I asked McCaskill about this. "I would think he would be happy to share information about how he spends his days," she said. He is not.

Clinton spokesman Philippe Reines said that Clinton "has made public the funding she has helped to secure and will make public the requests she submits this year."

Earmarks are tucked into legislation, controversial because they bypass review. Obama requested and did not secure $1 million for a hospital pavilion at the University of Chicago. Obama's wife, Michelle, is vice president for community and external affairs, now on leave, at the U. of Chicago Hospitals. Obama also sought money for the Center for Neighborhood Technology, where his neighbor Jacky Grimshaw is a honcho.

In 2005, Obama asked for $500,000 for Kids Voting USA, a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization encouraging young people to vote.

In 2006, Obama requested $250,000 for the Chicago Park District's Obesity Prevention-Affordable Fitness Centers. He also asked for $8 million for a defense contractor linked to General Dynamics. Obama's Illinois co-finance chairman, Jim Crown, is on the company's board of directors.

Posted by: vishalg_99 | March 16, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Gee I wonder? Will he and his wife be whistling "G-D America" on their Pennsylvania commercials?

How about he and she could explain how HIV was invented to infect and kill blacks?

Now that would make a grand commercial for those college kids and phony Ind/Rep 'democrats' wanting to lie their way onto the Democratic primary roles.

Posted by: hyperlexis | March 16, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

The theme of the Wright controversy has now changed. Obama and the media are now portraying it as an opportunity to have an open and public dialogue about the anger and bitterness within the black community. This can only be a good thing for Barack and for America.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Hillary has too much bagage to be on the Democratic ticket.
She also will bring HIllary haters out to vote against her rather than stay home and let the republicans lose.

Obama should choose someone moderate.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama does not need to win California and New York in the primary because they are guaranteed locks in the general election for the democrats!

Hillary, in other words, competes best where there is no competition. That is why she has basically lost the primary to obama, and still she tried to sink the entire ship down with her own hopes.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama haters: Rev. Wright is your key to salvation! Praise the Lord! Praise the Lord!

Um...Billy Graham...best friend to presidents and outspoken racist. But he's white and he don 't scare our women...again gimme a break!

Posted by: brian | March 16, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Having Hillary on a ticket would be a bad idea... The Clintons and their pundits are using weapons of mass distractions in order to not face the music; the release of Clintons records (tax returns, White House records, list of big donors for their foundation, etc.). The release of these documents will highlight new scandals and make Hillary Clinton radio-active as candidate for president or VP. The Clintons should be pressured to release these records as soon as possible since this is in the interest of most democrats, independents and moderate republicans; if Hillary is in the ticket and these scandals pop up after the nomination, then McCain will be the next president.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 16, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

he Rev. Jeremiah Wright thinks that, given their treatment by white America, black Americans have no reason to sing "God Bless America." "The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America," he told his congregation. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human."

I'm not a believer in guilt by association, or the campaign vaudeville of rival politicians insisting this or that candidate dissociate himself from remarks by some fellow he had a 30-second grip'n'greet with a decade ago. But Jeremiah Wright is not exactly peripheral to Barack Obama's life. He married the Obamas and baptized their children. Those of us who made the mistake of buying the senator's latest book, "The Audacity Of Hope," and assumed the title was an ingeniously parodic distillation of the great sonorous banality of an entire genre of blandly uplifting political writing discovered circa page 127 that in fact the phrase comes from one of the Rev. Wright's sermons. Jeremiah Wright has been Barack Obama's pastor for 20 years - in other words, pretty much the senator's entire adult life. Did Obama consider "God Damn America" as a title for his book but it didn't focus-group so well?

Ah, well, no, the senator told ABC News. The Rev. Wright is like "an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with." So did he agree with goofy old Uncle Jeremiah on Sept. 16, 2001? That Sunday morning, Uncle told his congregation that the United States brought the death and destruction of 9/11 on itself. "We nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," said the Rev. Wright. "We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards."

Is that one of those "things I don't always agree with"? Well, Sen. Obama isn't saying, responding merely that he wasn't in church that morning. OK, fair enough, but what would he have done had he happened to have shown up on Sept. 16? Cried "Shame on you!" and stormed out? Or, if that's a little dramatic, whispered to Michelle that he didn't want their daughters hearing this kind of drivel while rescue workers were still sifting through the rubble and risen from his pew in a dignified manner and led his family to the exit? Or would he have just sat there with an inscrutable look on his face as those around him nodded?

All Sen. Obama will say is that "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial." And in that he may be correct. There are many preachers who would be happy to tell their congregations "God damn America." But Barack Obama is not supposed to be the candidate of the America-damners: He's not the Rev. Al Sharpton or the Rev. Jesse Jackson or the rest of the racial grievance-mongers. Obama is meant to be the man who transcends the divisions of race, the candidate who doesn't damn America but "heals" it - if you believe, as many Democrats do, that America needs healing.

Yet since his early twenties he's sat week after week, listening to the ravings of just another cookie-cutter race-huckster.

What is Barack Obama for? It's not his "policies," such as they are. Rather, Sen. Obama embodies an idea: He's a symbol of redemption and renewal, and a lot of other airy-fairy abstractions that don't boil down to much except making upscale white liberals feel good about themselves and get even more of a frisson out of white liberal guilt than they usually do. I assume that's what Geraldine Ferraro was getting at when she said Obama wouldn't be where he was today (i.e., leading the race for the Democratic nomination) if he was white. For her infelicity, the first woman on a presidential ticket got bounced from the Clinton campaign and denounced by MSNBC's Keith Olbermann for her "insidious racism" indistinguishable from "the vocabulary of David Duke."

Oh, for cryin' out loud. Enjoyable as it is to watch previously expert tossers of identity-politics hand grenades blow their own fingers off, if Geraldine Ferraro's an "insidious racist", who isn't?

The song the Rev. Wright won't sing is by Irving Berlin, a contemporary of Cole Porter, Ira Gershwin and Lorenz Hart, all the sophisticated rhymesters. But only Berlin could have written without embarrassment "God Bless America." He said it directly, unaffectedly, unashamedly - in seven words:

"God Bless America

Land that I love."

Berlin was a Jew, and he suffered slights: He grew up in the poverty of New York's Lower East Side. When he made his name and fortune, his marriage to a Park Avenue heiress resulted in her expulsion from the Social Register. In the Thirties, her sister moved in with a Nazi diplomat and proudly flaunted her diamond swastika to Irving. But Berlin spent his infancy in Temun, Siberia (until the Cossacks rode in and razed his village), and he understood the great gift he'd been given:

"God Bless America

Land that I love."

The Rev. Wright can't say those words. His shtick is:

"God damn America

Land that I loathe."

I understand the Ellis Island experience of Russian Jews was denied to blacks. But not to Obama. His experience surely isn't so different to Berlin's - except that Barack got to go to Harvard. Obama's father was a Kenyan, he spent his childhood in Indonesia, and he ought to thank his lucky stars that he's running for office in Washington rather than Nairobi or Jakarta.

Instead, his whiny wife, Michelle, says that her husband's election as president would be the first reason to have "pride" in America, and complains that this country is "downright mean" and that she's having difficulty finding money for their daughters' piano lessons and summer camp. Between them, Mr. and Mrs. Obama earn $480,000 a year (not including book royalties from "The Audacity Of Hype," but they're whining about how tough they have it to couples who earn 48 grand - or less. Yes, we can. But not on a lousy half-million bucks a year.

God has blessed America, and blessed the Obamas in America, and even blessed the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, whose bashing of his own country would be far less lucrative anywhere else on the planet. The "racist" here is not Geraldine Ferraro but the Rev. Wright, whose appeals to racial bitterness are supposed to be everything President Obama will transcend. Right now, it sounds more like the same-old same-old.

"God Bless America

Land that I love."

Take it away, Michelle.

©MARK STEYN

Posted by: american1 | March 16, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

What would be funny would be if Obama offered McCain the VP nomination just like Kerry did before him... not that it would help either of them, but it would be funny.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

There will be no sweeping under the rug. We shall listen to all voices and then move forward. There are many who have different perspectives. Presidents that don't listen to these perspectives end up like Bush. McSame supporters want this to continue and so they resort to condemnation by association. Clinton supporters, do not follow their lead. It does not become you.

Posted by: jimm_barr | March 16, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

If Obama loses every traditional big Democratic state (but his own, Illinois) he is not a viable candidate. The polls are showing that 30% of Hillary Clinton voters will flip to McCain. If clinton is winning ALL the big state Democratic primaries, Obama doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell in the general election.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | March 16, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

BethesdaMD posted:
"IceNine wrote:
I'm a registered Independent. After reading the sludge in so many posts today, I think the Democratic Party may have to rename itself as the Demographic Party. (At least I tried to inject some humor...)

Let me get serious: Forget the tactical garbage that the Clintons are throwing. Take a longer view. Here's my estimate of the Clinton's deep game: They know the math is against them and cannot be overcome in the primaries (due to the proportional delegate system). So their only hope lies with the superdelegates.

Most analysis says that the way to win over superdelegates is to persuade them. I believe, however, that the Cintons' deep strategy is to use the remaining primaries as a veiled threat to the party establishment: "Give Hillary the nomination or we'll slash-and-burn up to (and during) the convention. We'll inflict carnage for months and leave nothing but wreckage in out wake--unless you come on board."

It might work. Consider how timid and pliant Congress has been to Bush, folding like a cheap tent on vote after vote after vote. The national Democratic leadership can be browbeaten and intimidated. The Clintons know it. I expect their campaign will get even nastier because it makes their threat more credible.

What extraordinary egomania to display when the nation is at this crossroads.

-----

That is a scary concept but I think you might be on to something. The Clinton campaign knows that they are losing. They are now threatening to destroy the Democratic party unless the nomination is given to the losing candidate."

Hallelujah, folks. Halle-freaking-lujah. Please go to the DNC website and post a comment to Howard Dean telling him how disgusting it is that Hillary and Bill are willing to divide the party for their own self-interests.

Posted by: artemis26 | March 16, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

seriously though, instead of Hillary, i think Obama should consider Gephard as his VP nominee.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

that's monica lewinsky's job

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Florida will be settled by giving Hillary her votes but only half. Michigan will be rerun and Obama will win. Hillary will not be able to hold her lead in PA and Obama will win the rest of the races. Obama will win the Democratic nomination.
Then we have to worry about the full force of the right wing sleaze. We will surpass it though because Barack will pivot by showing the world that he is able to hear the angry voices from both sides and still bring us together. Of course, many will resist.

Posted by: jimm_barr | March 16, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Is Hillary running for Obama's VP spot?

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

An earlier Obama post boasted how masterfully Obama handled the Wright controversy so that all the major media outlets, except Fox, had already dropped it. Sorry, Obamites, but CNN and ABC News had major pieces on the story again this evening. If you think that Obama and YOU can sweep this outrageous racist and anti-American story under the rug so that you can win the nomination...think again!!

Posted by: mo897 | March 16, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's only hope is if something happens to Obama...he better start ducking better...August is a long ways away....I knew she would choose to go down ugly.

Posted by: brian | March 16, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm probably just whistling in the wind, but if anyone wants an idea of potential delegate splits in the PA (D) Presidential primary, here's a link to a detailed analysis and prediction.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/12/17239/2856

Posted by: mnteng | March 16, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Will Clinton winn Pennsylvania by the number needed to catch obama in pledged delegates? Will she do well enough in all the remaining statse to even tie him?

She won't even come close.

So if she doesn't get close, who care what she does?

I guess as long as the superdelegates are still pressured not to overturn the will of the people...

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I know zig...I've been following the races and if you were you would understand my point...especially MI...blind sheep...go back to your dimishing flock...you must like soviet stye elections...did you have a point to make?

Posted by: brian | March 16, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

If Clinton cannot win by at least 59.66% in Pennsylvania she has lost. She was predicted to surpass Obama by 19% prior to this weekend. If she cannot increase that lead bya a factor of PI she is clearly the loser.

Posted by: jimm_barr | March 16, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons' money smells dirty... The Clinton foundation received recently a $31.3 million donation after Bill expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader's, undercuting both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights:

Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

In january 2008, the Clintons received $20 million from business deals with Dubai in the Middle East:

Source:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/22/bill-clinton-severs-ties-_n_82616.html

The experience of Hillary in the White House is protected in records that the Clintons do not want released (http://www.newsweek.com/id/57351)

With these facts, any supporter of Hillary is either a republican who wish to help McCain or someone with a very twisted mind.

But let's all the Clintons' records be released (tax returns, White House records, list of big donors to their foundation). We will see how really twisted are those who will remain supporters of Hillary.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 16, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Desperate clinton supporter attcks 6-10 are just more of the same kitchen sink strategy:

attack Obama's christian preacher after their sleezy campagin had to change course from spreading false lies calling Obama Muslim just to scare people.
Now they attack his preacher???

They want Michigan and Florida's elections that they already were warned would have no delegates because they broke the rules, they to ignore that no campaigning favors Clinton's name-recognition?
That Obama's name wasn't even on the Michigan ballot?

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

If Clinton cannot win by at least 57% in Pennsylvania she has lost. She was predicted to surpass Obama by 19% prior to this weekend. If she cannot triple that lead she is clearly the loser.

Posted by: jimm_barr | March 16, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

She is a monster a menopausal monster!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: zippergyrl | March 16, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

If Clinton cannot win by at least 38% in Pennsylvania she has lost. She was predicted to surpass Obama by 19% prior to this weekend. If she cannot double that lead she is clearly the loser.

Posted by: jimm_barr | March 16, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

IceNine wrote:
I'm a registered Independent. After reading the sludge in so many posts today, I think the Democratic Party may have to rename itself as the Demographic Party. (At least I tried to inject some humor...)

Let me get serious: Forget the tactical garbage that the Clintons are throwing. Take a longer view. Here's my estimate of the Clinton's deep game: They know the math is against them and cannot be overcome in the primaries (due to the proportional delegate system). So their only hope lies with the superdelegates.

Most analysis says that the way to win over superdelegates is to persuade them. I believe, however, that the Cintons' deep strategy is to use the remaining primaries as a veiled threat to the party establishment: "Give Hillary the nomination or we'll slash-and-burn up to (and during) the convention. We'll inflict carnage for months and leave nothing but wreckage in out wake--unless you come on board."

It might work. Consider how timid and pliant Congress has been to Bush, folding like a cheap tent on vote after vote after vote. The national Democratic leadership can be browbeaten and intimidated. The Clintons know it. I expect their campaign will get even nastier because it makes their threat more credible.

What extraordinary egomania to display when the nation is at this crossroads.

-----

That is a scary concept but I think you might be on to something. The Clinton campaign knows that they are losing. They are now threatening to destroy the Democratic party unless the nomination is given to the losing candidate.

Posted by: BethesdaMD | March 16, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Most of the Obama supporters commenting can ONLY justify his campaign and Presidency by attacking Clinton and/or McCain. The doublestandard and hypocrisy of the Obama supporters is beyond absurd, it is scary, as are the Rezko, Wright, Trinity United Church of Christ and Obama relationships.

Posted by: mo897 | March 16, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

All of you that are shocked and appalled by what Rev. Wright said must have lead the life of Walley Beaver...never spent time with black folk or anyone but whites I guess...again gimme a break!

And gee I wonder who is trying to scare all the white folks? I wonder if PA is mostly white?

Fear seems to be a theme.

Posted by: brian | March 16, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

desperate Hillary supporter posts #4 and #5

american1
and
DidHeReallySayThat

they again repeat their campagin manager's talking posts to try to make the comments of Obama's Christian preacher the focus of their attacks.

Hillary lost, get over it.

You tried to spread rumors that Obama wasn't Christian, then you got exposed and lost your respectability, now you are attacking his Christian preacher?

Nothing left to lose in terms of respectability, eh Hillary campaign supporters?

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

To Old Europe who stated: "If Hillary Clinton can spin the Texas results into a victory for her anything goes".

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in Texas by 3% points. How can Hillary spin the reults as she won the "will of the people" in Texas. Your comment is absurd!

The Texas caucaus system is also absurd! How can you force people to vote 2 times. In any other state voting 2 times is a criminal offense.

Posted by: carlw1 | March 16, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Hillary doing what Obama needs her to do, THROW EVERYTHING SHE CAN! then the republicans won't have any trash to come up with.

Way to go democrats!

Posted by: OneFreeMan | March 16, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

brian said:
"The results of those primaries were fair and should be honored." -Hillary Clinton on MI & FL

What an admirable candidate! I might be able to win the nomination too if I were the only name on the ballot.
--

Hello? Obama's name WAS on the ballot in Florida and he put on advertising (which broke the rules btw).

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 16, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Pa will be tricky for Obama? You bet it will be- especially when more and more anti-American, racist garbage which spews from his "pastor's" mouth is unveiled.

He is going to be inserting his foot into his mouth more and more as he tries to lie his way of this predicament.

It is clear to America Obama not only was aware of what this scumbag was saying - but that he agreed with it.

Let Obama go the route of Allen and Lott to a well deserved minor position representing the racists of Illinois.

Maybe he could bring Cynthia McKinney on his campaign? Clearly they are of the same mind and make up.

Posted by: VirginiaConservative | March 16, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Desperate Hillary supporter post#3

ziggy1

desperately looking for something else to throw but that kitchen sink, throws out the same old religious attacks against obama's preacher.
Politicians haven't so despicably tried to use a Presidential candidate's Christian religion as a tool to attack them since they attack President Kennedy's Catholicism and tried to scare voters by saying he would have the Pope run the country.

Desperate. Leave Obama's Christian preacher alone AND apologize for having tried before to attack him by encouraging your supporters to spread sick and slimy rumors that he is not a Christian. How pathetic.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Wow...constant moving of the goal posts...gimme a break!

Obama has the nomination...looking at PA as some kind of magic pill for Hillary...just like OH & TX right.

She had to win all the races by more than 60% a month ago...that didn't happen...what nuttiness our we talking now!

Get off the stage you're done.

"The results of those primaries were fair and should be honored." -Hillary Clinton on MI & FL

What an admirable candidate! I might be able to win the nomination too if I were the only name on the ballot.

Posted by: brian | March 16, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Let me tell you WHY I'm SO UPSET at Barack Hussein Obama.

I will never, in infamy, forget the day that I saw a MAN who wanted to become the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, sit idly by, KNOWING AND UNDERSTANDING the magnitude of someone within his own reach BLASPHEMY this country the way REV. WRIGHT has talked about this country.

Say what you want to about the US, however, this country has given more than has ever been given in the history of the world.

Look it up for yourself.

Never in the historically known times, has a country tried so heartedly to treat EVERY MAN and WOMAN the same. No matter the color. No matter the gender. No matter the differences between them so.

This is the greatest country in the world, it has tried to achieve the most brilliance of the world. It has brought light at times of darkness. It has proceeded to give all it can in times of need.

EVERY MAN, WOMAN, AND CHILD.

In times past, and no doubt, current times indeed, have so many wanted to become just like us and be here near us.

The United States of America.

Shall no President of this great country, EVER listen and NOT SPEAK UP to ANY diatribe as the Rev. Jeremiah Wright brought against this great nation.

Men and women who listen should forever be changed by the mere hopes and dreams that this country has given to so many. I wish for you that have love of country as well, bless it, NEVER CURSE it. That which gives you so much.

Words are indeed important.

No man or woman should ever curse the things that have given so much, with so little asked in return.

Posted by: DidHeReallySayThat | March 16, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

freddiano:

You are correct. It's pretty lily white out here in central PA. I think the demographics of PA-5 (my district) are something like 96% white, 3% black, and a total of 1% of everything else. Most of the diversity is localized in State College where Penn State is. There isn't a lot of overt racism, but voting for president is another matter.

Posted by: mnteng | March 16, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

There can be no Doubt that Obama and his wife are both Racist & American haters. After watching videos of their preacher I have lost all respect for Obama and anyone the attended that Church or still supports Obama. If any white had belonged or attended even one sermon of a church that spews that kind of hate they would be vilified by everyone, and rightly so. Michell was being honest when she said for the first time in her life she was proud of American. Because for all of her life she has hated American and most of its White Citizens! Obama belonged to that church for 20 years yet he does not share those views? That is beyond belief! How can he expect any one intelligence enough to vote, even a left wing loony to be that stupid? We have to get away from this double standard where it is ok for blacks to do things way over the line esp. ones that would be be President! It is very scary to think that someone that supported that preacher and went to that hate filled church for 20 years may be President! After watching those videos I can very easy see where Obama may well be a Muslin with a secret agenda for this Nation when elected! One thing for sure it is hard to see how anyone that listen to the venom spewed out from that so called preacher for 20 years can be a Christen! If Obama gets elected after this he will have did a better con job on the American public than any President in History even better than the Moron in the WH now.

Posted by: american1 | March 16, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Clinton keeps running her mouth and Obama keeps building his delegate lead.And this aint double or triple or quadruple spaced like svreader so as to push everybody else off the page while saying nothing.Release your taxes Clintons!

Posted by: majorteddy | March 16, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

To add...it is dangerous for anyone, black or white. Doesn't matter.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 16, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

The Obama Spinmiesters are working overtime to turn the Rev Wright debate in there favor. Look no further. Play your best weapon, The Race card. Its not about Obamas association with a crooked Chicago Politican. Its not about Obamas connection with the militant black separitist movement of Mr. Farakahn. Its not about Obamas raving lunatic so called pastor who gave a sermon denoucing America the weekend after 911. Obama is being persecuted because he is a black man. The rich, white, and jewish establishment is responsible for the problems that are surfacing for Mr Obama. How could Mr Obama have been aware of the hatred and bias of America by the holy reverend Wright. After all, Mr. Obama was only a member of the congregation for 20 years. Hardly enough time to get to know ones uncle.

Posted by: ziggy1 | March 16, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Travis posted: your lies are showing. I am a democrat. I live in Pittsburgh. I am white. I have been to Obama's office many times. I have never been afraid of going there. It is in a majority black neighborhood. Does THAT frighten you or your ilk?
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My ilk? I have been to E Liberty many times...only because I had to for work... I worked in Homewood, Wilkinsburg etc...the decent people who LIVE there are afraid of going out at night. If you aren't afraid, I suggest you be very cautious.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 16, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama's big gains yesterday in Iowa could be replicated in other caucus states coming up. There are 14 other caucus states who are still going thru the process of selecting delegates, eventually to a state convention where the national delegates will be selected. None of the other states have a sizeable number of delegates pledged to a 3rd candidate like Iowa. But it is possible that Clinton delegate defections could cause delegates to be lost in a particular state. This is all a result the Clinton campaign's incompetent handling of the caucus process and their repeated dissing of states that use caucuses.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Desperate Hillary supporters #2:
j9zig1

posts twice.

Once to billittle Hillary's fellow-Democratic candidate Obama's "accomplishments." Trying to smear him so the Republicans don't have to?
So desperate as to say, "if hillary doesn't win, nobody wins?"
smell the desperation?

second posts tries to argue that all the Obama supporters and votes had to be "bamboozled"... talk about a brainwashed hilary supporter!

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Blah, blah, Pennsylvania.
We all know, its already over for Hillary. It ended when she lost 13 straight contests. And everyone in the media called it after the math was done.
Yet, after Clinton's Ohio win (she eventually lost Texas) the media seized upon the opportunity sell more air time and papers, by trying to reinvigorate the comeback kid notion.
There's no end-game for Clinton, unless she is trying to force her way on Obama's ticket, or worse she is trying to sabotage the Democratic party.
For all of us Hillary - get out now!!

Posted by: leadguy1 | March 16, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Hillary must be hiding something. Sounds like the Nixon tapes to me. Watch out for whiteout.

Posted by: jimm_barr | March 16, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

tis jus anudder state; get o'er it, bhillary; u'r so far bhind u'll ner catchup; an besides, any candidate who takes the position of "i'll reveal my taxes when i'm nominated" is definitely hiddin sumpin; and, there4, u'r lyin & cheatin has caught up wit u & drafter dodger billy; its clear as the blue sky abuv....

Posted by: dnbonthelake | March 16, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Delegates in Iowa showed buyers remorse and switched from Edwards to Obama. Obama gains strength despite what has been termed his worst week of the campaign.

Posted by: jimm_barr | March 16, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

NYT today:

While many superdelegates said they intended to keep their options open as the race continued to play out over the next three months, the interviews suggested that the playing field was tilting slightly toward Mr. Obama in one potentially vital respect. Many of them said that in deciding whom to support, they would adopt what Mr. Obama's campaign has advocated as the essential principle: reflecting the will of the voters. Mr. Obama has won more states, a greater share of the popular vote and more pledged delegates than Mrs. Clinton.

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The supers are about to break to Obama.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Skinsfan1978 posted:
"So, if you are counting on Obama's appeal to crossover voters it may be a pipe dream."

Well, I am counting on it. I know there are an awful lot of Ind.s out there who have switched from the Dem party because of our disgust with the Clintons - and we weren't about to switch to the Rep party (no offense to any Rep.s out there). So we won't be voting for McCain. We can always vote for Nader, for what it's worth. Too bad the Ind party can't get it together and be more significant, but that's what happens when your country has become entrenched in a 2-party system.

Posted by: artemis26 | March 16, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

skinsfan1978:

Hillary won the majority of democrats in every state?
Please, educate ourself about the facts before you make statements like this.

It will come as a great surprise to the democratic voters of many states to hear that (given that it is demonstrably false).

First of all, Obama has won in states with closed primaries, where only Democrats could vote- like Connecticut, and by large margins in other closed primary states like Maryland, Delaware, & Utah, for example.

Second, caucuses, where Obama has done so much better than Hillary, are generally closed- such as Nebraska, where Obama won 68%, to name only one.

Finally, if you bother to look at the exit polls, some interesting things come out- Obama certainly won the majority of Democratic votes in: South Carolina (57%), Alabama (58%), Virginia (62%), Illinois (63%) etc. That is not an exhaustive list, but it clearly shows that Clinton is NOT winning the majority of Democratic voters, and certainly not in all states.

On the other hand, in Texas and Ohio and Mississippi she DID win the majority of Republican crossover voters (did I notice you mention Limbaugh?), In fact, in Mississippi a significant percentage of Clinton voters identified themselves as very conservative and indicated that they would not be happy if she won the election.

You don't help your candidate by spreading falsehoods and misinformation.

Posted by: cepearson | March 16, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

j9zig1- your lies are showing. I am a democrat. I live in Pittsburgh. I am white. I have been to Obama's office many times. I have never been afraid of going there. It is in a majority black neighborhood. Does THAT frighten you or your ilk?

Travis Bickle

Posted by: TravisBickle | March 16, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

So, Mr Carville says something to the effect that between Pittsburgh and Philadelphia it is "white Mississippi". Well, one thing about this analogy that is misplaced ... there is no "white" Mississippi in the way there is a white rural Pennsylvania. Am I wrong about this? Black folks all over rural Pennsylvania?

But this campaign is quite educational: if we did not know before, we do now: there are anti-black bigots everywhere in the USA. And that's why we are so shocked to learn that there is a black man who finds some facets of American society disreputable? Or should black people just smile all the time, the way we likes them too?

Posted by: freddiano | March 16, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

The only terrible thing about this democratic race is the lengths at which the nastiness has been shown. I must admit, being on the fence as to whom I would vote for, Hillary, Obama, or McCain.

In the last month or so, I've narrowed my thoughts down to 2, after McCain said he didn't know anything about the economy.(that was IT for him) along with the fact he wants to stay in Iraq so long that only one of his relatives would only be living. That said, my choices are between Hillary and Obama.

I find it disturbing in the last week about the comments from Obama's pastor, surely how could he feel this way and support a guy who has a white mother, and grew up in a multi-cultural environment for a greater part of his life. Then, again, how many radical priests and pastors have spoken and been associated with a national party (Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, etc.) This is NOTHING NEW and would appear on the surface to only be something new for another campaigns surrogates to use as a smear tactic. Hillary, of all 3 candidates, no one has seemed to be more candid than anyone else in this race. However, the nasty politics that her and her campaign has used in the last month is outright horrible. The indirect tactics that Bill Clinton used in SC was just deplorable, and the one thing where Hillary outright lied about on national television. The question from Tim Rusert that would she "release her tax filings" as public information, and to her answer of "yes, I would release them".

To this day, she has made the mistake of lying right in our face about what she will do, only to do the complete opposite when behind closed doors. That alone, makes my skin crawl.

If I am gonna take someone's word, its certainly not someone who will blatantly lie in our faces and do an about-face after the camera's stop rolling.

It made me look deeper into this "experience" she claims as making her the legit candidate. However, when faced with the facts about her foreign policy experience, top Clinton aides have stated that she's exagerated her claims, she also has been touting a bill for Childrens healthcare as if it were her doing, knowing had it not been because of Ted Kennedy, and another prominant congressman, it would not have been done. She also arrogantly chose NOT to work within the democratic party (let alone crossing party lines) to get her arms around the "healthcare" initiative when President Bill Clinton gave that to her. She instead went behind closed doors, and now is trying to save face after seeing it fail before her eyes.

So now I ask myself, is it really the "experience" that I need to look at??

I think not! Couple that with the piss poor campaign she is running, and that is indication enough that I want to choose a different route.

If America wants to do the same, they'd vote for Obama. Lord knows, we don't need to same old politics from the same old dirty politicians anymore.

"Barack the Vote"

Posted by: dknite94 | March 16, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

If Clinton does not win by 25 percent she is clearly weak.

Posted by: jimm_barr | March 16, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

j9zig1:

One thing PA Dems should remember is the way that Rendell won the D race for governor against Casey. He basically won Philly and southeastern PA, then not much west of there though he did win here in Centre County ("White Alabama" for all you non-PA people). Winning the PA Presidential primary this year might only require that same strategy.

Since Rendell is backing Clinton, she would do well to heed his advice about PA demographics.

Posted by: mnteng | March 16, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

All you Billary lovers,

Perhaps you could do this nation a great favor by persuading Hill/Bill to release their tax returns, donor list and White House records well before the PA primary so that we the common folks can learn how great your candidate is!

Posted by: kant1 | March 16, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Desperate Hillary supporter #1:
svreader

Complains about Obama being the "change" candidate.

Hillary purposefully gave up on being the "change" candidate knowing she was running on "experience" because nobody believes that voting another Clinton into office is "change."

Tries, unsuccessfully, to take it back and attack Obama.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: eljefejesus: The majority of "patriotic americans opposed to racism" as well as the majority of ALL Americans have already voted in favor of Obama so far.
-- --

How many elections have there been since the "God Damn America" clips have been shown on TV?

Zero.

I bet alot of those voters felt "bamboozled".

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 16, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Here is something interesting I found on another blog:

Rev. Gray, a member of First Congregational UCC in Indianapolis, has worshiped several times at Trinity UCC and is most impressed by the overflowing sense of welcome it extends to visitors. "When you're Euro-American, the people are so exceedingly gracious, warm and welcoming. They hug you and say, 'Welcome to our church!'"

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So they don't actually crucify any white folk that show up there.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

If Clinton does not win by more the 19 percent she has lost. If she cannot gain ground she is not the candidate. She will have proven herself to be weak.

Posted by: jimm_barr | March 16, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

pieter...since your posting you tube clips, here is a good one. About sums up Obama's
"accomplishments" - and this on a softball interview with Chris "Obama gives me a chill up my leg" Matthews:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 16, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters arrogantly claim that only they can bring "change"

Their claim is so childish it's infantile.

Every candidate running for President will bring "change"

The question is, what kind of "change" would each candiate bring?

What kind of "change" do they care about?

Barak Obama has shown himself to be completely without any concern for the poorest of the poor who voted for him and elected him in Chicago.

Obama let the very same people who elected him and trusted him rot in unheated slums.

Is that the kind of man we want as President of the United States of America?

There is only one possible answer.

The answer is NO.

Say NO to Obama's empty hype and cruel treatment of the poorest of the poor.

Say NO to Barry Obama.

Lots of people in Chicago wish they had.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

There was a perfect opportunity for Clinton to have gotten some more delegates yesterday in Iowa. This so-called news about Wright was out there and yet the Edwards delegates in Iowa went Obama. The rest stayed with Edwards. Clearly this shows that there is no buyers remorse with Obama. We will surpass the racism. Obama is strong because he is able to hear the angry voices from the past and help us heal from the years of racism. We need to see this for what it really is.

Posted by: jimm_barr | March 16, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama trails by about 20 points now but he has 6 weeks to campaign. His ground game is superb plus he has plenty of money to advertise aggresively. No doubt he will close that gap come election day in PA.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Let's start counting "Desperate Hillary supporter" posts to gauge how bad the catch-up the odds are for hillary to catch up to Obama in the few remaining states.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama handled the Wright controversy masterfully. The major news organizations, except Faux, have dropped the story. The daily tracking polls showed a slight drop yesterday but today his numbers are going back up. Amazing demonstration of damage control.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

So all this negative stuff is out about Obama. Before this Clinton was ahead by 19 points in Pennsylvania. It is clear that she should be able to beat him by at least that amount. In fact if Clinton doesn't win by at least 19 points in PA she has failed and needs to resign from the race. Any less than 19 points and she loses.

Posted by: jimm_barr | March 16, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

That was a terrible post. The majority of "patriotic americans opposed to racism" as well as the majority of ALL Americans have already voted in favor of Obama so far. Is Hillary so desperate as to downplay even the voters' votes themselves?

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

One more time for all Hillary supporters, Hillary go, you can do it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I


seeya in Jail
Goodnight from Paris

Posted by: pieter.dendecker | March 16, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama is unelectable now. As time goes on, and this racist anti american 20 year relationship takes hold, you will see clearly the american people reject Obama. Overwhelmingly, americans cannot accept Obama going to this church and bringing his children there. He had 100 churches to choose from in Chicago. He CHOSE to go there. He CHOSE to continually PRAISE this Revernd Wright. He now TAKES HIM OFF THE WEBSITE for speeches he has been making for YEARS ?????

He wont live it down. He is unelectable.

Posted by: tom1966 | March 16, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Attacking Obama's old preacher in his Christian church is just another desperate attack against him, and another obvious change in strategies.
What happened to their desperate attacks lying about his religion and emphasizing his middle name to say he wasn't Christian. Now they're questioning his Christian preacher? Hypocrites.... desperate ones.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters want to keep talking about delegate counts. The fact of the matter is that at this point delegate counts don't matter one bit. The fact that Obama has "hoodwinked" and "bamboozled" the voters thus far in the primaries is history. If patriotic American voters opposed to racism speak up and give Clinton the majority of total votes in the remaining primary states (including Florida and Michigan), nobody and I mean nobody will care about Obama's ill-gotten delegate counts thus far.

Posted by: mo897 | March 16, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

someone posted: Pennsylvania was considered to be Clinton's state. Obama is campaigning there...
-- -- -- --

Not putting much effort into it. A private, staged tour of a windmill factory in eastern PA is all so far. A ticketed rally in western PA tomorrow. Clinton has blanketed the state herself as have Bill and Chelsea.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 16, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

There can be no Doubt that Obama and his wife are both Racist & American haters. After watching videos of their preacher I have lost all respect for Obama and anyone the attended that Church or still supports Obama. If any white had belonged or attended even one sermon of a church that spews that kind of hate they would be vilified by everyone, and rightly so. Michell was being honest when she said for the first time in her life she was proud of American. Because for all of her life she has hated American and most of its White Citizens! Obama belonged to that church for 20 years yet he does not share those views? That is beyond belief! How can he expect any one intelligence enough to vote, even a left wing loony to be that stupid? We have to get away from this double standard where it is ok for blacks to do things way over the line esp. ones that would be be President! It is very scary to think that someone that supported that preacher and went to that hate filled church for 20 years may be President! After watching those videos I can very easy see where Obama may well be a Muslin with a secret agenda for this Nation when elected! One thing for sure it is hard to see how anyone that listen to the venom spewed out from that so called preacher for 20 years can be a Christen! If Obama gets elected after this he will have did a better con job on the American public than any President in History even better than the Moron in the WH now.

Posted by: american1 | March 16, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

First let me say that the Rev. Wright was born in the 1930s. He lived during decades of extreme racism in this country. While not excusing all his comments, those relating to rich white folks running the country and others that reflect a bitterness common in his generation may be overlooked by a young supporter in the same way we may overlook a racially insensitive statement by a grandpa. The more radical statements were cherry picked from decades of sermons and actually were made public some time ago. Obama does not agree with these statements. To listen to Barack's message and look at his ability to bring people together is to see firstand that he in no way ascribes to these views. The vast majority of Rev. Wrights sermons no doubt focused on the message of Jesus Christ which engendered the affections Sen. Obama.

Posted by: mbeutjer | March 16, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Pelosi would not be a bad VP pick for Obama, but is Pelosi too liberal? What about Gephard or Kerry for Obama's VP?
Would Edwards make another good VP?

Is Hilary basically begging Obama to choose her as his VP? It's hard to tell what she's arguing for, knowing that she can't win without stealing the election from the voter's pledged delegates, and even the superdelegates seem to be backing off from her more and more.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

From what I have read and heard Pelosi, Dean and Gore are all leaning to Obama. These three will be the ones to persuade the supers to endorse Obama and convince Hillary to drop out.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

By the way, after reading some of the earlier comments above, is anyone else laughing at the desperate Hillary supporters for their lack of diplomacy? Just like their candidate, they are left with nothing but candid desperation.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

All of you people seriously need to relax.

I worry that the drawn out 6 month period that we're getting to choose the Democratic candidate is hurting everyone.


Because you guys sound like monkeys slinging poo at eachother.

Posted by: memilygiraffe | March 16, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Check out the primary/caucus results stats and look at the number of states in which Clinton has won by more than 10%. Pretty paltry.

She has won by more than 20% in about 2 states, whereas Obama has done it in at least 10. Should he fight for PA? Heck yeah, he should. He fought for TX and lost the primary by a measly 3%, which was so against the odds that you may as well call it a win. In the end, he gets more delegates out of that state and I call that a win. Once TX has their state convention, it will be official that he won that state.

So yeah, fight for PA and narrow the margin as much as possible. You cannot say that a loss is a loss - you have to qualify the margin of loss, or the percentage of gain on the expected margin. It would be ridiculous to walk away from PA because you don't want to explain why you lost by 5% instead of 20%.

Posted by: artemis26 | March 16, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama has put himself in a bad position with this "Dr. Wright" association. He had a strangle hold on the nomination and blew it. He can only kling to this I want a change thing so long, his inexperience will be tested.

Posted by: bill_riding | March 16, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama is right, is a good showing if he does not lose by too much, because the pressure is on Hillary to win her remaining supportive states by landslides to catch up on superdelegates.

These contests will prove that it is impossible for Hillary to catch up if she can't even win her own states by landslides.

Posted by: eljefejesus | March 16, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

So who in their right nind would be dumb
enough to vote for that sleazy lying phony
scumbag con artist Barack Hussein Obama
after all the newest disclosures about
Barack Hussein Obama crooked dealings with
Corrupt Crooked Chicago Slumlord and Dem
Fixer Tony Rezko, who bankrolled Obama's
political career from day one,and the
hate speech of Obama's looney toons own
spirtual adviser black militant Pastor
Jermiah Wright along with the anti-American
and totally insane racist remarks of that
weirdo wife of Obama's one Michelle Obama?
Don't let this sleazy shifty eyed con man
fool you as Barack Hussein Obama is fraud
and a naive fool and lying scumbag. Please
donot Vote for a Slimeball Lying Phony
Like Barack Hussein Obama! We deserve a
lot better then this looney tools fraud
and crazy black racist pals America.

Posted by: redheadclaudine | March 16, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I just heard today that my fellow Tennessean, Al Gore, is on a big weight loss diet. Couldn't be he may be offering himself to the convention if Clinton and Obama don't get the required number of delegates. Man, that would be great.

Posted by: bnw173 | March 16, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

When it comes to making decisions and Barack Obama makes major blunders, either he "lacked judgment or he didn't know". Both are pretty inadequate scenarios for a would be president.

Austan Goolsbee = NAFTA/CANADA MEETING FIASCO
Ms. Power: "She is a monster" fiasco
Tony Rezco: "I trusted him"
Rev. Wright: "I didn't know he talked like that".

All this in less than a month!

But the media will brush it all off. So prepare yourself the anti-Clinton onslaught is about to begin.

PS: Ms. Pelosi, stay out of the race, your behavior is pathetic and it's going to cost you in the next election, don't doubt it for a split second. Unless, of course you want to be Barack's VP...that will cost him, no doubt.

Posted by: poh123 | March 16, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

As an Obama supporter, I don't think he stands a chance in Pa, just no other Black politician wouldn't running state wide!

Posted by: tlonnie1 | March 16, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

An individual's excercise of free speech, and the media's excercise of free speech, both protected by the First Amendment; truth or smear, which wins the election....?

Posted by: phughez | March 16, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I live in a more rural part of PA as well, and unfortunately this area of the Poconos is not as progressive as I would like it to be. Even before this whole Rev Wright thing, it was still unlikely for him in this area. But as an Obama supporter myself, I will do my hardest to get this man elected and speak to as many people as I can about the kind of man I believe he is. The future of my children in mind, he not only has the ability and intellect to make actual changes for our economy, but most of all he has the genuine desire to unite ALL Americans. I'm tired of the division, I'm tired of going backwards. He is in my humble opinion the only candidate that I fully trust who will try his very best to do as he says. He promotes teamwork and expects teamwork from citizens as well as from the people in government. If the running of his campaign suggests anything, it is that he will effectively run our country to better American lives.

Posted by: most06 | March 16, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Here is Trinity UCC's response to all the negative attention they are getting:

Chicago, Ill. (March 15, 2008) -- Nearly three weeks before the 40th commemorative anniversary of the murder of the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., the Reverend Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.'s character is being assassinated in the public sphere because he has preached a social gospel on behalf of oppressed women, children and men in America and around the globe.

"Dr. Wright has preached 207,792 minutes on Sunday for the past 36 years at Trinity United Church of Christ. This does not include weekday worship services, revivals and preaching engagements across America and around the globe, to ecumenical and interfaith communities. It is an indictment on Dr. Wright's ministerial legacy to present his global ministry within a 15- or 30-second sound bite," said the Reverend Otis Moss III, pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ.

During the 36-year pastorate of Dr. Wright, Trinity United Church of Christ has grown from 87 to 8,000 members. It is the largest congregation in the United Church of Christ (UCC) denomination.

"It saddens me to see news stories reporting such a caricature of a congregation that has been such a blessing to the UCC's Wider Church mission," said the Rev. John H. Thomas, UCC general minister and president, in a released statement. " ... It's time for us to say 'No' to these attacks and declare that we will not allow anyone to undermine or destroy the ministries of any of our congregations in order to serve their own narrow political or ideological ends."

Trinity United Church of Christ's ministry is inclusive and global. The following ministries have been developed under Dr. Wright's ministerial tutelage for social justice: assisted living facilities for senior citizens, day care for children, pastoral care and counseling, health care, ministries for persons living with HIV/AIDS, hospice training, prison ministry, scholarships for thousands of students to attend historically black colleges, youth ministries, tutorial and computer programs, a church library, domestic violence programs and scholarships and fellowships for women and men attending seminary.

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It is a shame they are being attacked so vicioulsy because it does sound like they are wonderful church with many positive activities to help the community, the country and the world.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

WhitmanArtGroup---

You are going to vote for McCain? Why? I mean, Obama's policies are much closer to Hillary's than McCain. I mean, we all know that in the end Hillary is going to cast her vote for Obama. So what gives?

Posted by: storyofthefifthpeach | March 16, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

It is amusing that people act as if something happened in the news and that swayed their vote. Almost everyone who is doing that in these forums is lying and you know it. Then you go to your picture perfect churches and pray to you picture perfect Jesus. Well as far as I remember from my Christian upbringing all this lying will send you straight to somewhere else.

Posted by: jimm_barr | March 16, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I think if Obama did not know about Rezko's corruption and Wright's comments it should disqualify him from beihg president. These were personal close friends. We don't need anyone that naive or that dumb as president. How boneheaded can one be. I could understand if they were strangers donating to him.

Posted by: bnw173 | March 16, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I'll vote for Obama. So there's 1 vote. By my internal poll Clinton is behind by 1 and has no chance of catching up.

Posted by: jimm_barr | March 16, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I am very sceptical of anyone who claims to be a Democrat and says they will vote for McCain if their girl does not win. McCain is willing to stay in Iraq for 100 years and is in favor of attacking Iran; McCain will continue the tax cuts for the wealthy; McCain will nominate conservative Supremes and will try to oveturn Roe v Wade. How will all that work out for you?

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

The radioactivist, Mrs. Clinton is not bright, never was. The idea of Mrs. Clinton to become the first female president was flowed to begin with, as she didn't have the proper personality with proper features for this kind of the leadership (any serious leadership, at this matter). Why can't democrats to stop the unpleasant show, which is still called her campaign I honestly and trully can't understand, as her entire campaign is working, obviously, on the behalf of the republican victory in November, as the only thing Mrs. Clinton can do well during campaigning is to pour enormous amount of dirt on her opponent; and Obama, certainly, doesn't need it, considering his future incoming match with McCain.

Posted by: aepelbaum | March 16, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Of course Obama will campaign vigorously for Pennsylvania. There was never any doubt. His campaign has fought for every state so far -- it's why he has won more voters, more states, and more delegates than his rivals.

Senator Obama fights for votes now, and he'll fight for the voters' interests when he is president. Something to think about when you go to the polls.

It's is precisely by picking and choosing that his opponent has fallen behind. "That state's too small. That state's too black. That state's too caucusy." After Iowa, the Clinton campaign actually came out and said that they lost because they weren't really trying. Weren't trying? Excuse me? I'm ready for a president who tries hard from Day One, not someone who waits till she's behind and things look dire. Clinton spent all her campaign's money in January and then had to borrow -- do you want her anywhere near our nation's budget? Clinton didn't think ahead enough to have a plan for after Super Tuesday -- do you want someone with so little foresight at the helm of our nation?


Posted by: fjfjdvdv | March 16, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama or HRC can't win the general the party is too divided, you only have to read the comments of the suporters of each candidate to see that.If Obama win 95% of blacks will support him,but a big number of latinos will go to Mc Cain and also a lot of white women,remember latinos live mainly in the big states,if HRC win the nomination,then blacks will stay in home resentful of the "stiling"and many independents will go to Mc Cain instead.
Is ironic how the party of the minorities have manage to confront blacks against latinos,white women againt white men and young people againt older people even within families,at this point the only winer is Mc Cain with plenty time to observe the enemy to campain and to unify all sector of his party,as a democrat I think that some kind of compromise and agreement must be work out so the party go in a strong position to the general,otherwise Obama suporters will have to wait at least 4 more years and Hillary suporters will have to be happy with "senator"Clinton rather than madam president

Posted by: vze28czv | March 16, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama is going to have a lot more to worry about spinning if the MSM ever gets serious about reporting about the church he has attended for the past 20 years and his mentor, the Rev. Wright. He says he was never sitting in the pews when Wright gave one of his hate America and white men speeches, but he could had to have known about them. The truth is coming out even if MSNBC is trying to minimize it.

Posted by: cjones210 | March 16, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

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obama. hillary and mcCain all three have shown their deficits in public image which create deep concern among we the people in usa to investgate/ reopen investigations on female lobbyist pleasure pursuit for influence pedalling (felony charg)against, i r s tax fraud by obama for easy and convinient financing of r /e deal involving obamas house in illinois , in assistance of rezco but obama criminally did not report to i r s for his gain in money in sweet_heart financing on the deal, even gain in illegal conduct on this , the shrewed obama , as reported did not report gain to irs, and that a felony; similarly hillary 1/2 successfully evaded issue of corruption in her involvement in white water r/e scandal , which she temporarily delayed or evaded in wearing cloak of a clintonian first woman. she is not wearing any defence cloak, so f b i et al lawfully and easily punish her for her abusive tendency to common we the people. many in arkansas lost money for hillary's high handed orruption . We the people in usa should not reawad her with u s presidency and we the people would like to see her established in a correction house for her corruption if proved in laws of u s court and bar her for a federal full time job of u s president w e f 1.20. 2009'
poor saps who bought Brokaw's story--like me--don't fret. So did Rep. Lacy Clay, Obama's Missouri co-chairman and pledged Obama superdelegate himself. Clay told the Columbia Missourian yesterday that the 50 superdelegates would come out of the closet "later this week"--and then took the stats one step further, claiming that "the campaign is Obama's." "[Sen. Clinton] will not make up those numbers," Clay said. "This race is over." Which wouldn't have been true in any case--an additional 200 or so superdelegates would've still remained uncommitted, and Clinton and Obama would've been roughly tied among these party leaders. But it's even less true today.

Now that Clinton's death-defying wins in Texas and Ohio have prolonged the contest and slowed Obama's momentum among party poobahs, there's a bigger story to watch: an increasing willingness among superdelegates to band together and seek concessions from the presidential candidates in return for votes at the convention. Last night, the Politico reported that bloc of uncommitted Ohio supers--perhaps including Reps. March Kaptur, Dennis Kucinich, Tim Ryan, Zack Space, Betty Sutton and Charlie Wilson, and Sen. Sherrod Brown--is "withholding endorsements from Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton until one or the other offers a concrete proposal to protect American jobs," according to two state Democrats.


At this point, everyone knows that Obama and Clinton need superdelegate support to put them over the top--the superdelegates included. With the contest now likely to continue until the convention, I suspect it won't be long before others start making similar demands
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markrw wrote:
Ahh, George! You were so close! You and this conflation of speech and money. While you may be in line with the current courts, as someone obsessed with original intent, do you really believe that the founding fathers defined speech in such a way that would dis-proportionally award more speech (and therefore influence) to some and not others? Isn't speech the very quality that a person has idependant of status and money? In the fusion of democracy and capitalism that currently defines American life, speech is the only freedom left that transcends class, but when you say that money is speech, then you disenfranchize all those without it - surely not an original intent. Oh, and where does the constitution directly say that money is speech? As a strict constructionist, isn't that a problem?
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3.16. 2008 opinion of dr the reverend kamal karna karuna roy aka and was born as joseph geronimk jr a guam us born clergy on vow of poverty, i r s rule, and pursuant to u s act 1978 a u s born citizen afor guam born people who were living in mainland usa on day of effective enforcement of law for guam island born people as u s born people status . dr roy as a child becam orphan (dob 3.31.2008 when parents were visiting as religious workers in east city of british india viz dacca city in a religious biased area pro islamic:in religious riot , then was frequent those days in dacca region of britisn india.:
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obama. hillary and mcCain all three have shown their deficits in public image which create deep concern among we the people in usa to investgate/ reopen investigations on female lobbyist pleasure pursuit for influence pedalling (felony charg)against, i r s tax fraud by obama for easy and convinient financing of r /e deal involving obamas house in illinois , in assistance of rezco but obama criminally did not report to i r s for his gain in money in sweet_heart financing on the deal, even gain in illegal conduct on this , the shrewed obama , as reported did not report gain to irs, and that a felony; similarly hillary 1/2 successfully evaded issue of corruption in her involvement in white water r/e scandal , which she temporarily delayed or evaded in wearing cloak of a clintonian first woman. she is not wearing any defence cloak, so f b i et al lawfully and easily punish her for her abusive tendency to common we the people. many in arkansas lost money for hillary's high handed orruption . We the people in usa should not reawad her with u s presidency and we the people would like to see her established in a correction house for her corruption if proved in laws of u s court and bar her for a federal full time job of u s president w e f 1.20. 2009'
poor saps who bought Brokaw's story--like me--don't fret. So did Rep. Lacy Clay, Obama's Missouri co-chairman and pledged Obama superdelegate himself. Clay told the Columbia Missourian yesterday that the 50 superdelegates would come out of the closet "later this week"--and then took the stats one step further, claiming that "the campaign is Obama's." "[Sen. Clinton] will not make up those numbers," Clay said. "This race is over." Which wouldn't have been true in any case--an additional 200 or so superdelegates would've still remained uncommitted, and Clinton and Obama would've been roughly tied among these party leaders. But it's even less true today.

Now that Clinton's death-defying wins in Texas and Ohio have prolonged the contest and slowed Obama's momentum among party poobahs, there's a bigger story to watch: an increasing willingness among superdelegates to band together and seek concessions from the presidential candidates in return for votes at the convention. Last night, the Politico reported that bloc of uncommitted Ohio supers--perhaps including Reps. March Kaptur, Dennis Kucinich, Tim Ryan, Zack Space, Betty Sutton and Charlie Wilson, and Sen. Sherrod Brown--is "withholding endorsements from Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton until one or the other offers a concrete proposal to protect American jobs," according to two state Democrats.


At this point, everyone knows that Obama and Clinton need superdelegate support to put them over the top--the superdelegates included. With the contest now likely to continue until the convention, I suspect it won't be long before others start making similar demands. dr roy now an ordained clergy registere with manhattan, city pof new york at 1 chamber strrt, new york new york since 1992 with world religions group priest and has been on vow of poverty declared under i r s rule since 1984 as a clergy of goup noeted. a theme of world religions doctrine is any person ofliving human existence can hold multiple religions and name_shake may god/s in any time in single body and soul of a person. thatis to say you could be chritian, a muslim , a hindu et el and follower of jesus, islam, hindu god/ gods BNrha, Vishnu, shjiva/ al in same body and soul , in giving simple notice of your faiths to public arpound you and or any approved public or court notifications and/or affidavits. a so called person with say christian faith onverted to world religions shall keep original faith as religion and all other religions as addititional faithe, and each the religions shall be beneficially covered for thje sid person viz multle marital rights for muslim males shall be covered for all peole who embraced world religions faith by declaration befoe a clergy or Policy making w r group decisions on future rule, if amended.

Posted by: LISANROY | March 16, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

svreader:

And your point is?

According to the records, Rezko also donated $1500 to the Clintons. He regularly donated to almost every democratic politician. So what? Is that supposed to mean they all knew exactly what he was up to or were in on running his businesses? Get real.

Obama's relationship to Rezko has been thoroughly investigated and there is zero evidence of any wrongdoing on his part and zero indication that he knew what Rezko was up to.

On the other hand, both Clintons have been tied to sleazy fundraisers under much more suspicious conditions, and have been much less willing to be forthcoming about the relationship (eg, just google Norman Hsu or Peter Paul, for starters).

This kneejerk (and typically one-sided) "guilt by association" tactic is not something that belongs in civil & informed democratic discussion, on either side.
If there is any actual evidence of real wrongdoing by either candidate, bring that forward, please. But an article that tells how a slumlord donated $1000 to a political campaign? It reflects only on the slumlord (and perhaps the poster drawing unsupported conclusions).

Posted by: cepearson | March 16, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

I should also note that hanging out on the south side of Chicago is never a bad thing for a politician to do, especially when he admits he's never experienced the kind of discrimination those folks have experienced. He now has some perspective on what blacks in inner cities have experienced and how they feel about it. It is a serious and legitimate issue that is still alive and well in this country. The Civil Rights Act did not end racial inequity - it doesn't stop there. I like the idea that a President of this country might actually have a realistic perspective on these issues, even if he is not "one of them."

Posted by: artemis26 | March 16, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Whatever connections Obama has think about this. We have two other options. I already posted Hillary's criminal background so yeah go ahead vote for her. She will wearing an orange coverall when November comes buy. Then we have McCain. So how many of you have a relative in Iraq or a good Friend. Well guess what Johny is going to do, keep them there. If he can for an other 100 years. And spend 500 Million a day doing that. Cool!!!!!

I believe I can handle a President that listen to Rev. Wright and is taken our boys out of Iraq. I believe I can vote for a president that has open tax records. I believe I can Vote for a president that is married to a wife that did not believe the 8 years of Bush and is not proud of that.

So yeah go ahead and vote for a criminal or for McCain. (I respect the person McCain I do not support hid policy, I do not respect thiefs)

Posted by: pieter.dendecker | March 16, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons' money smell dirty... The Clinton foundation received recently a $31.3 million donation after Bill expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader's, undercuting both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights:

Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

In january 2008, the Clintons received $20 million from business deals with Dubai in the Middle East:

Source:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/22/bill-clinton-severs-ties-_n_82616.html

The experience of Hillary in the White House is protected in records that the Clintons do not want released (http://www.newsweek.com/id/57351)

Let the records be released so that the scandals come to light and that we can move on with Barack Obama and John McCain to the final round.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 16, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

To:
eabpmn | March 16, 2008 05:08 PM

First you say this:

1) "I hadn't heard what all the uproar was about over Obama's pastor (we don't watch TV and I had been focusing on the economic news) and had seen an article in the NYT and so went off trying to find out what was going on."

Then a few paragraphs later you say this:

2) "(BTW, this is nothing new for Wright. We are from Chicago and he has been spewing this line for decades. You would have had to be deaf dumb and blind not to have know what he preached if you lived in the Chicago area. He was the Christian version of Farrahkan and anyone who paid the slightest attention to the Chicago-area news knew it.)"

Quaker you say? Disingenuous, for sure. How can (1) be so mysterious to you if you already knew (2)?

Oh, and do Quakers really use hateful words such as "spewing this line"?

OH, and by the way, when you say this:
"You can't reach all these voters and try to do the explanation of why a 60ish year old black man spews such hate and venom at them based upon their race."

My my my, a Quaker who has no knowledge of the "hate and venom" "spewed" at black people for ... how many years? Maybe you could help educate these white people about Redlining Neighborhoods, Lynchings, Slavery, Segregation, etc ... can you explain this hate and venom based on race to Anyone?

Posted by: freddiano | March 16, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Come on... this whole thing is the biggest fairytale ever, or a very bad soap opera at least. There is no conceivable fair outcome that would coincide with Hillary winning at this point. It's just that the politics she represents will not be carried out without kicking and screaming.

You know... Noone knows that Obama can bring about fundamental change in the way presidential politics is done. But he seems to have a shot to do something special. The more important point is that it is better to try for that change than to give any signal that the old kind of (Hillary-type) politics will be tolerated.

Posted by: YoutheMan | March 16, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

So, Pelosi is liking Obama more, it is obvious. So, would Reid, or is Reid. What is this scandal with Wright is about, I really can't undesratand. Wright is the former USA marine, the person, who is highly respected by Texan Divinity School, and this school is predominantly white. He is retired now, so he is "former pastor" of Obama. Obama's haters do not know now how and what at they could to bark more, if any.

Posted by: aepelbaum | March 16, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama is lying about his minister and nearly everything else in his past. His supports primarily are voting for him because he is black. He has only won in small states where his supporters manipulated the process or states where blacks could turn out and dominate the voting. He cannot win in big states when he is put to the test before a wide cross sections of voters. He is simply a biggot and a liar and his supporters tend to be biggots and liars as well. If this guy get himself elected we should be ashamed.

Posted by: lounatick8 | March 16, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I apologize for the reference to Obama's middle name, after realizing that one of our country's greatest generals was Omar Bradley. I assume his father was also a Muslim.

Posted by: daweeni | March 16, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama and his supporters have continually alleged that he should be President, since he was opposed to the war in IRAQ. Now that the beliefs of his church and his spiritual advisor and mentor are known, it is not surprising that he took the position that he did, since in his mind fighting ANY war would place African Americans in the position of fighting and potentially dying for what Obama and his church view as a "rich white" society and country that should be damned, not admired, protected and fought for. And, the famous pictures of Obama not placing his hand over his heart are also now in context. Of course he wouldn't, since again it's showing support for a "rich white" society and country. And, Michelle Obama saying that for the "first time" in her adult life she is "proud" of America. Of course she wouldn't have beem proud of any country comprised of "rich white" people (until they started voting for her husband). Sorry Obama supporters, but sometimes the truth about politicians that people have looked up to and supported hurts a lot since it is contrary to their campaign rhetoric ... but it is the truth.

Posted by: mo897 | March 16, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama has been promising change. Obama and Michelle have been married for 16 years. Obama has known Rev. Wright for 20 years. If Obama is really an agent of change, why hasn't he been able to change the negative attitudes about America of just two of the people closest to him - Michelle and Rev. Wright?

I don't believe that Obama never heard any of Rev. Wright's radical sermons. Many people have said they go to church and don't agree with everything their religious leader says. But those people are not running for president and promising the American people that they will change the way our government operates and they will unite people of all races and religions.

Obama has known for years that he was going to run for president. He has been very open about his using Rev. Wright as a mentor and an adviser. It's impossible that Rev. Wright never expressed his negativism toward America during their "mentoring" sessions. In 2006, just two years ago, Obama wrote "The Audacity of Hope", a title that he lifted from one of Rev. Wright's sermons. The fact that Obama was so close to Rev. Wright and then uninvited him to speak on the day he announced his run for the presidency is proof that he wasn't willing to take a chance on what Rev. Wright might say.

Also, a lot of people are missing the point about Obama and Rev. Wright. Obama CHOSE Rev. Wright to be his mentor and religious adviser. What advice would the reverend possibly give to Obama on what steps he should take to unify races and religions when he isn't doing that himself?

Posted by: mafox1 | March 16, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

j9zig1 posted:
"The Wright story was not out when he was getting votes from whites due to his "unity" message. It falls flat now."

I don't know. We still have not heard the full context of those sermons. It isn't as though white voters in this country are not aware that there are some blacks in this country who are angry about the continuing inequity between these ethnic groups.

I wasn't surprised at the content of Wright's remarks, though I thought his delivery was a bit crass. If we look to the past, though, MLK wasn't averse to working with radical black activists whose views were much more militant than his own. In the end, the objective is to help the black community, not to walk away from it because you disagree with some of the views of some of its leaders. King abstained from militant action, but marched alongside militants in peaceful demonstrations.

Posted by: artemis26 | March 16, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Ridicules! Pennsylvania was considered to be Clinton's state. Obama is campaigning there, he is, of course, reducing the margin in polls, but if he doesn't win Pennsylvania, it would not change a thing. He is the leader, he is winning in popular votes and pleged delegates, and this picture is not going to be changed up to the very end, according to the basic arithmetic. Apparently, the author of this article thinks that some states are more "equal" than others. Newsflash for this article's author, "Democracy, dear Ms. Murray, is about majority. And Obama is winning this majority now and would win this majority at the end. So, stop considering the state of Pennsylvania to be more 'equal' than other forty nine are. Would you, please?"

Posted by: aepelbaum | March 16, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Ok,
Once again, remember the math...of the electorals not the delegates.
Obama supporters may think that all they want to do is beat Hillary and get to the general. But, remember, you have to win to make change. If you don't win, you are just....oh, ...John Kerry.
Sometimes it isn't about your past but about the future. Obama supporters think that it is going to be a cake walk in Nov., because he was the only one who didn't support the WAR. Have you noticed the most recent poll? Only 51% of the American public now feel that the war was NOT worth fighting. That's down about 6% in a month, and 15% in 6 months.
In Nov., the war won't be the deciding factor. It will be the security of the country and health care..and the economy.
Nobody will care by then that Obama was against the war from the beginning, because, according to the media( not covering the war so much now) the surge IS working, which makes McCain the man with better judgemnet.
Obama supporters, who really want to change the way this country is run, better start thinking of how your candidate wins those states( in the general) he has been losing( in the primaries).
Because if all you want to do is make it to the payoffs, please step aside for someone who wants to win it all.
Hillary is thast someone.

Posted by: bake201 | March 16, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

I Really Hate Barack Obama- He will never win the general election- because i as many Dems will vote for McCain- My first Republican vote.

Keep Going Hillary

Posted by: WhitmanArtGroup | March 16, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

correct me if I am wrong, but svreader seems to have an unhealthy obsession with senator obama. can you say OCD?

Posted by: smartchick1 | March 16, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Many superdelegates are now publicly saying they will only be looking at who has the delegate lead when deciding who to endorse. This is bad news for Hillary because she cannot make up the 160 delegate lead Obama has now with the remaining states even with FL and MI.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Okay I will try it one more time. Hillary supporters please view attached the Peter Paul case with Hillary's voice on Tape. So lets vote for her know then in august she has to appear in court. Just in time to be in Jail for the November elections. Sure Mc Cain is going to help Peter Paul getting her in court. No way she's gets out of there with this prove. And then we have what we had the last 8 years (5 years) we will continue spending 500 million a day in Iraq. Why not for a hunderd years? Who's going that pay that? "Communist" China, why not they own 20% of the US already thx to WB

Go! Hillary Go!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I

Posted by: pieter.dendecker | March 16, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

People, don't even respond to svreader - he is obviously an idiot and he craves attention. Just don't give it to him - he is irrelevant.

What matters to me is character. Hillary Clinton has proved that she is lacking in ethics. She has grossly exaggerated her "experience" and now the MSM is picking up on this. She wasn't instrumental in passing SCHIP, she was merely a bystander in Ireland that gave a few speeches to women there, she arrived after the agreements in Kosovo and she gave a good speech in China (but we all know good speeches aren't enough) and she was married to a President. So her experience is just a figment of her campaign's talking points.

I look at what Obama has stood for. I don't think that his pastor speaks for him. His actions speak for him and he has been a model of moderation and unification. There are many reasons why he would belong to Trinity - mostly because of their outreach to the Chicago community. He doesn't have to agree with everything his pastor says. How many of us have friends with whom we disagree? We don't cut them off because of that. I have friends who are fundamentalist Christians - I am an agnostic and I totally disagree with their Biblically reinforced intolerance. But they are still my friends.

So look at each candidate's actions. Hillary is ok with totally screwing the Democratic party if it will further her cause. She is the one with all these attacks, not Obama. She is the one, who for totally venal and political reasons, voted for this stupid war. She has no moral center. How can you know where she will stand as President if it is politically unpopular.

Character matters and I think Obama has shown that he is a man of character and ethics.

Posted by: msdillo | March 16, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

artemis26, You have to have the Democratic base to win in the general. I believe most Republicans are voting for Obama because they dislike Hillary, so do not count on them. Because we do not know enough about Obama, and the fact that Independent voters are not faithful to any party, if they have second thoughts about Obama's judgement they will jump to McCain because they know him. So, if you are counting on Obama's appeal to crossover voters it may be a pipe dream.

Posted by: Skinsfan1978 | March 16, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Middle name Husain, grew up in the most populous Muslim country in the world, only found his savior after meeting a racist, America-hating priest, and is married to a woman whose pride in America has been absent until a couple of weeks ago. Smells like victory to me.

Posted by: daweeni | March 16, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Rencently Governor Randell said that he knew that there were white people in Pennsylvania that would never vote for a black guy. James Carville said recently on CNN that Pennsylvania was Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, and in between, Mississipi. Not Black Mississippi but White Mississippi. He was referring at the Mississippi that still recently in the american history was killing right activists who were militing for the black population.

Let's put the cards on the table and ask the white folks who live between Philadelphia and Pittsbugh if they are truly racist. If so, let's ask them if the fact that Barack's mother was white and a very decent woman can change something to their opinion of Barack?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/us/politics/14obama.html . If not, let's ask them if they know that their ancesters come from Africa and had most probably brown skin (even racists must have heard of something called evolution, no?)

Posted by: Logan6 | March 16, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

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CommentsLISANROY wrote:
obama. hillary and mcCain all three have shown their deficits in public image which create deep concern among we the people in usa to investgate/ reopen investigations on female lobbyist pleasure pursuit for influence pedalling (felony charg)against, i r s tax fraud by obama for easy and convinient financing of r /e deal involving obamas house in illinois , in assistance of rezco but obama criminally did not report to i r s for his gain in money in sweet_heart financing on the deal, even gain in illegal conduct on this , the shrewed obama , as reported did not report gain to irs, and that a felony; similarly hillary 1/2 successfully evaded issue of corruption in her involvement in white water r/e scandal , which she temporarily delayed or evaded in wearing cloak of a clintonian first woman. she is not wearing any defence cloak, so f b i et al lawfully and easily punish her for her abusive tendency to common we the people. many in arkansas lost money for hillary's high handed orruption . We the people in usa should not reawad her with u s presidency and we the people would like to see her established in a correction house for her corruption if proved in laws of u s court and bar her for a federal full time job of u s president w e f 1.20. 2009'
poor saps who bought Brokaw's story--like me--don't fret. So did Rep. Lacy Clay, Obama's Missouri co-chairman and pledged Obama superdelegate himself. Clay told the Columbia Missourian yesterday that the 50 superdelegates would come out of the closet "later this week"--and then took the stats one step further, claiming that "the campaign is Obama's." "[Sen. Clinton] will not make up those numbers," Clay said. "This race is over." Which wouldn't have been true in any case--an additional 200 or so superdelegates would've still remained uncommitted, and Clinton and Obama would've been roughly tied among these party leaders. But it's even less true today.

Now that Clinton's death-defying wins in Texas and Ohio have prolonged the contest and slowed Obama's momentum among party poobahs, there's a bigger story to watch: an increasing willingness among superdelegates to band together and seek concessions from the presidential candidates in return for votes at the convention. Last night, the Politico reported that bloc of uncommitted Ohio supers--perhaps including Reps. March Kaptur, Dennis Kucinich, Tim Ryan, Zack Space, Betty Sutton and Charlie Wilson, and Sen. Sherrod Brown--is "withholding endorsements from Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton until one or the other offers a concrete proposal to protect American jobs," according to two state Democrats.


At this point, everyone knows that Obama and Clinton need superdelegate support to put them over the top--the superdelegates included. With the contest now likely to continue until the convention, I suspect it won't be long before others start making similar demands
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Ahh, George! You were so close! You and this conflation of speech and money. While you may be in line with the current courts, as someone obsessed with original intent, do you really believe that the founding fathers defined speech in such a way that would dis-proportionally award more speech (and therefore influence) to some and not others? Isn't speech the very quality that a person has idependant of status and money? In the fusion of democracy and capitalism that currently defines American life, speech is the only freedom left that transcends class, but when you say that money is speech, then you disenfranchize all those without it - surely not an original intent. Oh, and where does the constitution directly say that money is speech? As a strict constructionist, isn't that a problem?
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3.16. 2008 opinion of dr the reverend kamal karna karuna roy aka and was born as joseph geronimk jr a guam us born clergy on vow of poverty, i r s rule, and pursuant to u s act 1978 a u s born citizen afor guam born people who were living in mainland usa on day of effective enforcement of law for guam island born people as u s born people status . dr roy as a child becam orphan (dob 3.31.2008 when parents were visiting as religious workers in east city of british india viz dacca city in a religious biased area pro islamic:in religious riot , then was frequent those days in dacca region of britisn india.:
ColumnsYour Comments On...

Arizona's Booster Socialism
A new imbroglio about an old and discredited practice.
- By George F. Will

CommentsLISANROY wrote:
obama. hillary and mcCain all three have shown their deficits in public image which create deep concern among we the people in usa to investgate/ reopen investigations on female lobbyist pleasure pursuit for influence pedalling (felony charg)against, i r s tax fraud by obama for easy and convinient financing of r /e deal involving obamas house in illinois , in assistance of rezco but obama criminally did not report to i r s for his gain in money in sweet_heart financing on the deal, even gain in illegal conduct on this , the shrewed obama , as reported did not report gain to irs, and that a felony; similarly hillary 1/2 successfully evaded issue of corruption in her involvement in white water r/e scandal , which she temporarily delayed or evaded in wearing cloak of a clintonian first woman. she is not wearing any defence cloak, so f b i et al lawfully and easily punish her for her abusive tendency to common we the people. many in arkansas lost money for hillary's high handed orruption . We the people in usa should not reawad her with u s presidency and we the people would like to see her established in a correction house for her corruption if proved in laws of u s court and bar her for a federal full time job of u s president w e f 1.20. 2009'
poor saps who bought Brokaw's story--like me--don't fret. So did Rep. Lacy Clay, Obama's Missouri co-chairman and pledged Obama superdelegate himself. Clay told the Columbia Missourian yesterday that the 50 superdelegates would come out of the closet "later this week"--and then took the stats one step further, claiming that "the campaign is Obama's." "[Sen. Clinton] will not make up those numbers," Clay said. "This race is over." Which wouldn't have been true in any case--an additional 200 or so superdelegates would've still remained uncommitted, and Clinton and Obama would've been roughly tied among these party leaders. But it's even less true today.

Now that Clinton's death-defying wins in Texas and Ohio have prolonged the contest and slowed Obama's momentum among party poobahs, there's a bigger story to watch: an increasing willingness among superdelegates to band together and seek concessions from the presidential candidates in return for votes at the convention. Last night, the Politico reported that bloc of uncommitted Ohio supers--perhaps including Reps. March Kaptur, Dennis Kucinich, Tim Ryan, Zack Space, Betty Sutton and Charlie Wilson, and Sen. Sherrod Brown--is "withholding endorsements from Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton until one or the other offers a concrete proposal to protect American jobs," according to two state Democrats.


At this point, everyone knows that Obama and Clinton need superdelegate support to put them over the top--the superdelegates included. With the contest now likely to continue until the convention, I suspect it won't be long before others start making similar demands. dr roy now an ordained clergy registere with manhattan, city pof new york at 1 chamber strrt, new york new york since 1992 with world religions group priest and has been on vow of poverty declared under i r s rule since 1984 as a clergy of goup noeted. a theme of world religions doctrine is any person ofliving human existence can hold multiple religions and name_shake may god/s in any time in single body and soul of a person. thatis to say you could be chritian, a muslim , a hindu et el and follower of jesus, islam, hindu god/ gods BNrha, Vishnu, shjiva/ al in same body and soul , in giving simple notice of your faiths to public arpound you and or any approved public or court notifications and/or affidavits. a so called person with say christian faith onverted to world religions shall keep original faith as religion and all other religions as addititional faithe, and each the religions shall be beneficially covered for thje sid person viz multle marital rights for muslim males shall be covered for all peole who embraced world religions faith by declaration befoe a clergy or Policy

Posted by: LISANROY | March 16, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

thanks daweeni!

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 16, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

zb95 posted:
The Obama volunteers are out in force in PA rounding up thousands of newly registered Democrats. There are reports coming in about record numbers of new Dem registrations. This will make a big difference on election day and it not showing up in any polling.
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j9zig1 posted:
Unless you go into the polling place with them to make sure they vote for your man...you can't count on any of them not voting for Hillary.

Of course there are record new Dem registrations overall...I am one. A Republican turned Dem so I can vote for Hillary! And I am certain that many middle of the road Republicans (esp women) will be doing the same.

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Sure, but I am hearing the vast majority of new registrations are for Obama. We will see on election day.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

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obama. hillary and mcCain all three have shown their deficits in public image which create deep concern among we the people in usa to investgate/ reopen investigations on female lobbyist pleasure pursuit for influence pedalling (felony charg)against, i r s tax fraud by obama for easy and convinient financing of r /e deal involving obamas house in illinois , in assistance of rezco but obama criminally did not report to i r s for his gain in money in sweet_heart financing on the deal, even gain in illegal conduct on this , the shrewed obama , as reported did not report gain to irs, and that a felony; similarly hillary 1/2 successfully evaded issue of corruption in her involvement in white water r/e scandal , which she temporarily delayed or evaded in wearing cloak of a clintonian first woman. she is not wearing any defence cloak, so f b i et al lawfully and easily punish her for her abusive tendency to common we the people. many in arkansas lost money for hillary's high handed orruption . We the people in usa should not reawad her with u s presidency and we the people would like to see her established in a correction house for her corruption if proved in laws of u s court and bar her for a federal full time job of u s president w e f 1.20. 2009'
poor saps who bought Brokaw's story--like me--don't fret. So did Rep. Lacy Clay, Obama's Missouri co-chairman and pledged Obama superdelegate himself. Clay told the Columbia Missourian yesterday that the 50 superdelegates would come out of the closet "later this week"--and then took the stats one step further, claiming that "the campaign is Obama's." "[Sen. Clinton] will not make up those numbers," Clay said. "This race is over." Which wouldn't have been true in any case--an additional 200 or so superdelegates would've still remained uncommitted, and Clinton and Obama would've been roughly tied among these party leaders. But it's even less true today.

Now that Clinton's death-defying wins in Texas and Ohio have prolonged the contest and slowed Obama's momentum among party poobahs, there's a bigger story to watch: an increasing willingness among superdelegates to band together and seek concessions from the presidential candidates in return for votes at the convention. Last night, the Politico reported that bloc of uncommitted Ohio supers--perhaps including Reps. March Kaptur, Dennis Kucinich, Tim Ryan, Zack Space, Betty Sutton and Charlie Wilson, and Sen. Sherrod Brown--is "withholding endorsements from Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton until one or the other offers a concrete proposal to protect American jobs," according to two state Democrats.


At this point, everyone knows that Obama and Clinton need superdelegate support to put them over the top--the superdelegates included. With the contest now likely to continue until the convention, I suspect it won't be long before others start making similar demands
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Ahh, George! You were so close! You and this conflation of speech and money. While you may be in line with the current courts, as someone obsessed with original intent, do you really believe that the founding fathers defined speech in such a way that would dis-proportionally award more speech (and therefore influence) to some and not others? Isn't speech the very quality that a person has idependant of status and money? In the fusion of democracy and capitalism that currently defines American life, speech is the only freedom left that transcends class, but when you say that money is speech, then you disenfranchize all those without it - surely not an original intent. Oh, and where does the constitution directly say that money is speech? As a strict constructionist, isn't that a problem?
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3.16. 2008 opinion of dr the reverend kamal karna karuna roy aka and was born as joseph geronimk jr a guam us born clergy on vow of poverty, i r s rule, and pursuant to u s act 1978 a u s born citizen afor guam born people who were living in mainland usa on day of effective enforcement of law for guam island born people as u s born people status . dr roy as a child becam orphan (dob 3.31.2008 when parents were visiting as religious workers in east city of british india viz dacca city in a religious biased area pro islamic:in religious riot , then was frequent those days in dacca region of britisn india.:
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obama. hillary and mcCain all three have shown their deficits in public image which create deep concern among we the people in usa to investgate/ reopen investigations on female lobbyist pleasure pursuit for influence pedalling (felony charg)against, i r s tax fraud by obama for easy and convinient financing of r /e deal involving obamas house in illinois , in assistance of rezco but obama criminally did not report to i r s for his gain in money in sweet_heart financing on the deal, even gain in illegal conduct on this , the shrewed obama , as reported did not report gain to irs, and that a felony; similarly hillary 1/2 successfully evaded issue of corruption in her involvement in white water r/e scandal , which she temporarily delayed or evaded in wearing cloak of a clintonian first woman. she is not wearing any defence cloak, so f b i et al lawfully and easily punish her for her abusive tendency to common we the people. many in arkansas lost money for hillary's high handed orruption . We the people in usa should not reawad her with u s presidency and we the people would like to see her established in a correction house for her corruption if proved in laws of u s court and bar her for a federal full time job of u s president w e f 1.20. 2009'
poor saps who bought Brokaw's story--like me--don't fret. So did Rep. Lacy Clay, Obama's Missouri co-chairman and pledged Obama superdelegate himself. Clay told the Columbia Missourian yesterday that the 50 superdelegates would come out of the closet "later this week"--and then took the stats one step further, claiming that "the campaign is Obama's." "[Sen. Clinton] will not make up those numbers," Clay said. "This race is over." Which wouldn't have been true in any case--an additional 200 or so superdelegates would've still remained uncommitted, and Clinton and Obama would've been roughly tied among these party leaders. But it's even less true today.

Now that Clinton's death-defying wins in Texas and Ohio have prolonged the contest and slowed Obama's momentum among party poobahs, there's a bigger story to watch: an increasing willingness among superdelegates to band together and seek concessions from the presidential candidates in return for votes at the convention. Last night, the Politico reported that bloc of uncommitted Ohio supers--perhaps including Reps. March Kaptur, Dennis Kucinich, Tim Ryan, Zack Space, Betty Sutton and Charlie Wilson, and Sen. Sherrod Brown--is "withholding endorsements from Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton until one or the other offers a concrete proposal to protect American jobs," according to two state Democrats.


At this point, everyone knows that Obama and Clinton need superdelegate support to put them over the top--the superdelegates included. With the contest now likely to continue until the convention, I suspect it won't be long before others start making similar demands. dr roy now an ordained clergy registere with manhattan, city pof new york at 1 chamber strrt, new york new york since 1992 with world religions group priest and has been on vow of poverty declared under i r s rule since 1984 as a clergy of goup noeted. a theme of world religions doctrine is any person ofliving human existence can hold multiple religions and name_shake may god/s in any time in single body and soul of a person. thatis to say you could be chritian, a muslim , a hindu et el and follower of jesus, islam, hindu god/ gods BNrha, Vishnu, shjiva/ al in same body and soul , in giving simple notice of your faiths to public arpound you and or any approved public or court notifications and/or affidavits. a so called person with say christian faith onverted to world religions shall keep original faith as religion and all other religions as addititional faithe, and each the religions shall be beneficially covered for thje sid person viz multle marital rights for muslim males shall be covered for all peole who embraced world religions faith by declaration befoe a clergy or notifications in public. additionally marital benefits and equities of religions and marital rules shall be same i e women in islamic fiths et al is declared to be entitled to multiple marriages on need demand.
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Posted by: artemis26:So your argument is that "crossovers" would not vote for Obama in the general? Just clarifying, not being confrontational.
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I don't think they will. He is untested. Has done little in the senate but run for president. The Wright story was not out when he was getting votes from whites due to his "unity" message. It falls flat now. As I said before, I think he loses that Wright issue any way you slice it. Either he didn't think his church was controversial or he didn't know. Which is it? Supporting someone who you say is your "mentor" who says "appalling" things with thousands of dollars is worse than saying them yourself. At least the pastor is being honest.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 16, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

j9zig1
I believe the correct term is St. Paddy's day. D's, not T's. Otherwise, I find your analysis flawless.

Posted by: daweeni | March 16, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Nancy Pelozi doesn't care who will be the best president. Nancy Pelozi is only interested in her representatives electibility for the House, which Nancy controls.

Nancy Pelozi is looking less and less attractive as a political figure. She says the right things the Democrats want to hear, and next thing you know, there she is smiling, and grinning ear to ear, standing behind the President while he signs legislation we don't want. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 16, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

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The Bottom Line: 7 Mistakes Doomed Clinton Campaign

The verdict is in and only the paperwork remains to be completed. Hillary mismanaged her campaign and blew It, Barack ran a brilliant campaign and snatched it; and Rendell, Onorato and Ravenstahl missed it!

The Democrat presidential endorsement is won by who gets the most delegate votes. The pledged delegates represent the millions of voters who cast their ballots in primaries and caucuses. The 795 super delegates are the members of congress, local elected officials and party officers. To win a candidate needs 2025 delegates.

Currently Obama leads in total delegates with 1628 delegates to 1493; and 1415 to 1245 when only pledged

Since delegates are won on a proportional basis in each state, no winner take all, it is estimated that Clinton would have to win more than 65% of the vote in all of the remaining 10 states to even catch Obama. A feat that virtually all of the experts agree is impossible.

Clinton's campaign has been fatally flawed from the beginning. Seven mistakes doomed her candidacy

1. Assuming that the voters would not be tired of the 20 years of Bush/Clinton/Bush occupancy of the White House
2. Assuming that Bill Clinton was a net plus for her campaign
3. Assuming that experience would be the deciding narrative of this election for voters; instead change was
4. Assuming that not many voters would not see how flimsy her claim of 35 years of experience really was
5. Assuming with a stunning arrogance that the February 5th Super Tuesday primaries and caucuses would decide the contest and not planning or preparing for any campaigns after that date
6. Assuming that they could run a 'fat' campaign never dreaming that they would not raise the most money and would run out of money right when they needed it most- after Super Tuesday
7. Assuming that Black voters, and independents would overwhelmingly support her when instead; Blacks shifted their support and independents have nearly always greatly favored Obama

So why do some in the main stream media and in the political establishment continue to think Clinton is the best candidate when it is clear that she failed to

• Provide strategic leadership
• Exercise competent executive management to her campaign
• Build a competent campaign organization
• Develop a compelling rationale for her candidacy other than gender
• Develop an effective strategy for victory
• Adjust quickly and effectively when it became clear the initial strategy was not working


Conversely Obama

• Assembled a first rate campaign team
• Crafted a winning strategy
• Presented a compelling rationale for his campaign other than race
• Found the proper balance between the campaign on the ground and the virtual or Internet campaign
• Built an unprecedented enthusiastic grassroots movement of supporters
• Raised by far the most money without being beholding to the usual fat cats
• Demonstrated that he could win the support of the young, independents and Republicans

Pennsylvania is decidedly old school, having one of the oldest populations in the country with the exception of the retirement capitol Florida. The Keystone state is also one of a dwindling number of states where there is still traditional Democrat party machines operating.

Governor Rendell, County Chief Executive Onorato and Pittsburgh Mayor Ravenstahl have unsurprisingly played it safe by endorsing Clinton. These elected officials may win the battle (the Pa. Primary) only to lose the war in the future (future races for Governor and Mayor) when the supporters of Obama reflect on this behavior. For example Obama supporter City Controller Michael Lamb is looking good as a future challenger of Mayor Ravenstahl.

Bottom line is that Clinton cannot win it as the rules are set. Only by dirty tricks and an undemocratic stampede of super delegates who ignore the rules and the will of the voters can she succeed.

WARNING: turn off the young voters, the independent voters, and the African American voters and the Democrats lose the White House in November.

Some people think that the Black vote has nowhere to go but the facts say otherwise. The percentage of registered African American voters in Pennsylvania is 9%. The percentage of the Black votes cast as a percentage of the total Pennsylvania vote in the last three presidential elections was 9% in 1996, 7% in 2000 and 13% in 2004. Blacks cast 90% of their votes for Gore vs. 7% for Bush in 2000, and 83% for Kerry vs. 16% for Bush in 2004.

Kerry won the Keystone state in 2004 with 2,938,095 to 2,793,847 for Bush a difference of only 144,248 votes or 2.5%! In 2004 Blacks cast 745,000 ballots (13%) in Pennsylvania.

A fall off of only 20% of the Black vote in Pennsylvania would have given Kerry 149,000 less votes and moved the state into the Republican column.

Unlikely you say? Well the 20% fall off does not have to be comprised of only Black voters, a disaffected young and independent electorate coupled with a disenchanted Black community can easily translate into a drop off of 20% of the turnout.

This calculus can be even more devastating in the 11 states that had African American voter turnout percentages of 13% or more in 2004.

As the young people might say- the Democrats better recognize!

Posted by: theradioactivist | March 16, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

zb95 posted:
The Obama volunteers are out in force in PA rounding up thousands of newly registered Democrats. There are reports coming in about record numbers of new Dem registrations. This will make a big difference on election day and it not showing up in any polling.
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Unless you go into the polling place with them to make sure they vote for your man...you can't count on any of them not voting for Hillary.

Of course there are record new Dem registrations overall...I am one. A Republican turned Dem so I can vote for Hillary! And I am certain that many middle of the road Republicans (esp women) will be doing the same.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 16, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

This contest has been over for two weeks already. Obama leads in unpledged delegates by 160 and in total delegates by 120. It is impossible for Clinton to make up the deficit, and if you listen closely to what most uncommited super-delegates are saying, they seem to be pretty clearly leaning to Obama (makes sense since people who are committed to Clinton would have declared long ago to make her seem inevitable). There is nothing in Obama's past that will change that since the Clintons have more baggage that anyone in politics and are still standing. No one has yet come up with a realistic scenario by which Clinton can still get the nomination.

Posted by: constantine999 | March 16, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I get a kick out of people saying that Hillary is so disliked or that her negatives are insurmountable, or that she is behind, and on and on.

Consider: Hillary and Bill Clinton enjoy a 70% favorable rating among real Democrats.

When people were saying Hillary should drop out, 2/3 of those polled said they didn't want Hillary to drop out.

Out of more than 3,000 delegates, there isn't even a 1% difference in delegate count, and more than a thousand more delegates, plus 300 plus super delegates to go.

I heard some super delegates say that if the delegate count is a hundred or a little more or less difference, they are going to vote who they think is the best presidential candidate. They aren't going to let a small percentage difference of delegates dictate to them what they will do.

Also, it is the silliest thing for Pelozi to tell the super delegates to vote with their constituents. Does she realize that some states have more super delegates, and some states probably don't have many at all.

I think if the popular vote is close, that should be the determining factor, if that theory is to be followed.

Those red states Obama won aren't going to be in the Democratic column when the General Election rolls around - those states are irrevelant. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 16, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Rumors out there that many superdelegates will begin endorsing Obama during the next few weeks in the runup to PA. Also, a strong rumor out there that Edwards may endorse Hillary soon. If true, it makes no sense. Almost all of Edwards supporters and endorsers have gone to Obama. Some say she promised him the VP or AG spot. Edwards would be a fool to endorse her at this point. We shall see.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

j9zig1 posted:
"Skins would be talking about REGISTERED DEMS, party regulars, not crossovers."

So your argument is that "crossovers" would not vote for Obama in the general? Just clarifying, not being confrontational.

Posted by: artemis26 | March 16, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

meehankl
Are you a racist just like Geraldine Ferraro? This demographics thing is disjgusting. You seem to assume that white voters will vote for Hillary, and she will get to where she gets after the PA primary, just as Ferraro contended that Obama got to where he is, because blacks went 95 percent for him.

Posted by: daweeni | March 16, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Hope springs up again! Finally the people are recognizing the snake oil salesman that Barak Obama is. I think this is the beginning of the end for the once almighty saint that hailed from Chicago. Thank goodness the truth has come out in time to save the American people from the devastating consequences that will surely come if this man is elected to the White House. We truly need a president that will represent all the people. We know the Clinton White House of the 90's did just that. Like Hillary Clinton said in one of the debates, it took a Clinton to clean up the country after Bush 41 and it will take another Clinton to clean up after Bush 43. After all, women always have to clean up the mess left in the home and the White House is no different!

Posted by: jeiken | March 16, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

ok, here is some math for all you Obama supporters. Take away Ohio, PA., NJ., Fl.,and MI., and what do you have? A loss in Nov.. You can win all the Kansas' or Wy., or Co. or NV's you want, but if you can't snag the BIG fish, you lose the general election.
Demographics is the key.
Obama has been getting traditional Democratic voters and some independents( which he won't get with McCain). If he can't win the "swing voters", those pesky Reagan Deomocrats, Ohio, Pa., NJ, Fl,and possibly MI, will go with McCain. Those swing voters are the blue collar workers and single moms, NSCAR dads, and soccer moms that win or lose elections for you.
So, after election night in Nov. when you are saying,"Oh, the media is just spinning this thing for McCain, Obama won the popular vote.....oh, how could he lose?",you will will finally see that bosting about how many states you won in the primary , or how any delegates you won over that horrible Hillary won't mean diddly squat.
Oh, and on that terrible night, while you are rubbing your temples saying"No,no,no....no, no" just rememnber, you can't turn back time.

Posted by: bake201 | March 16, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

daweeni:
Not a prayer of Obama carrying Allegheny County. I live here. Hillary was leading the St Patty's Day parade and it was spontaneous cheers for her for the whole mile she walked, flanked by the Governor, Lt. Gov., County Executive and the mayor. Behind her were about 50 volunteers.

Obama had Franco Harris and one very uncomfortable looking white row officer.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 16, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

zb95, earlier this month Pelosi gave superdelegates permission to use their own judgement. It sounds like she has picked up a case of Obama misjudgement and needs to see a doctor.

"I believe superdelegates have to use their own judgment and there will be many equities that they have to weigh when they make the decision: their own belief and who they think will be the best President, who they think can win, how their own region voted, and their own responsibility. ... I have confidence that they will make the decision that is necessary, before we go to the convention, to a place where Democrats are unified and go into that convention unified so we come out of the convention unified."

Posted by: Skinsfan1978 | March 16, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

The Obama volunteers are out in force in PA rounding up thousands of newly registered Democrats. There are reports coming in about record numbers of new Dem registrations. This will make a big difference on election day and it not showing up in any polling.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

There can be no Doubt that Obama and his wife are both Racist & American haters. After watching videos of their preacher I have lost all respect for Obama and anyone the attended that Church or still supports Obama. If any white had belonged or attended even one sermon of a church that spews that kind of hate they would be vilified by everyone, and rightly so. Michell was being honest when she said for the first time in her life she was proud of American. Because for all of her life she has hated American and most of its White Citizens! Obama belonged to that church for 20 years yet he does not share those views? That is beyond belief! How can he expect any one intelligence enough to vote, even a left wing loony to be that stupid? We have to get away from this double standard where it is ok for blacks to do things way over the line esp. ones that would be be President! It is very scary to think that someone that supported that preacher and went to that hate filled church for 20 years may be President! After watching those videos I can very easy see where Obama may well be a Muslin with a secret agenda for this Nation when elected! One thing for sure it is hard to see how anyone that listen to the venom spewed out from that so called preacher for 20 years can be a Christen! If Obama gets elected after this he will have did a better con job on the American public than any President in History even better than the Moron in the WH now.

Posted by: american1 | March 16, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

chefjo2001 wrote: (Talking about Rev. Wright and Barack Obama.)

The connection between the two goes back to Obama's days as a young community organizer in Chicago's South Side when he first met the charismatic Wright. Obama credited Wright with converting him, then a religious skeptic, to Christianity. [Editor's Note: Can Oprah Winfrey make Barack Obama president? Click Here.
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Obama began his "community organizing work" in an office in the Trinity Church. Who knows what he was promoting - newcomers to the Trinity Church?

While in that office, within the Trinity Church, the people in charge kept trying to get Barack to join the church. He finally did, twenty years ago.

Obama was not a child, he knew what was going on in that radical church. To deny he knew isn't going to fly with the voters.

Even Juan Williams on Fox said he wasn't falling for Obama's denial that he didn't know what that church and Rev. Wrights railings and calling for "God damn America."

Obama will think that the people will forget about this dark/murky association, but they won't. That 9/11 ad is all the more significant now. We need someone who will stabilize the country and keep us safe from the people like those Obama hangs around with. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 16, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

iheitsch2 posted:
"The question that needs an urgent answer by the Democratic establishment is why there is a strong current in the Democratic Party that is opposed to the Clintons."

This is a great point. It is noteworthy that so many superdelegates are sitting on the sidelines waiting to see what happens rather than jumping on the Clinton bandwagon. The Clintons have created a rift in the party, which could be more important than Hillary's ability to work with Republicans. She can't even work with her own party! It is also noteworthy that people from other parties are coming out to vote for her opponent - unless, of course, they are only doing with an ulterior motive. In which case, they are sorrily mistaken.

Posted by: artemis26 | March 16, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

SV reader might want to change his meds

Posted by: gdmutch | March 16, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

So, help me out here; I'm just trying to keep track...

Is Obama a crazy Muslim, or a renegade Christian? Keep throwing that kitchen sink.

Posted by: chuckhampton | March 16, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Most news organizations, except Faux, have dropped the Pastor Wright controversy. Obama handled it perfectly. Amazing demonstration of damage control.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

The article seems silly since Obama is given little chance to win Pennsylvania given the huge lead Clinton has and the demographics of the state. He needs to go all out to make sure she does not win by such a large margin that it cuts significantly into his popular vote lead. He padded his lead by 100,000 with Missouri. He can probably lose by 200,000 and not endanger is overall lead in the popular vote. If he can hold her down to a win with less than a 150000 margin he will probably win the over all popular vote even should he lose Michigan and Florida.

Posted by: meehankl | March 16, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama has a huge uphill battle in Pennsylvania. He can make some in-roads, but the environment is much more Clinton friendly.

As far as this Wright nonsense goes the people leveling criticism of him have no standing. In a more sane universe, Wright's service to the country as a Marine would have given him at least a little standing to speak his mind on issues -- right or wrong. The fact that the people criticizing him now -- chickenhawks -- and people on a network like Fox News and Fox News Corp., which didn't even pay any federal taxes for two of the past 6 years -- is just absolutely mind-boggling. It is a demonstration of the absurdity and the absolute insanity of our political discourse.

As the saying goes "patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels". It is certainly the last refuge of the national GOP with its dismal record the past 8 years. The patriotism canard is yet another boondoggle it is trying to foist on low-information voters.

Posted by: JPRS | March 16, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

As a white person who heard Rev Wright's comments, I am having trouble seeing what all the fuss is about.

What did he say that wasn't actually true?

Posted by: jafprrr | March 16, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

This article could have been written by the Clinton campaign. Now that it's been preordained that she can not win the delegate count, she is trying every possible strategy to minimize his wins and spin his losses. I have one question - WHY does he have to win? We could just as easily say that even if she wins, she can't win the delegate count, so SHE's in trouble.

Obama will win the delegate count, Clinton is just looking for a way to twist enough arms of the super-delegates to get the nomination. I used to be a Clinton supporter, but her slash and burn tactics along with a willingness to do anything, no matter how unethical, to win has turned me into an Obama supporter. McCain is more supportive of Obama than Clinton is.

By the way, someone needs to remind Hillary that she was FIRST LADY, NOT PRESIDENT!!!!!!!

Posted by: xconservative | March 16, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Pennsylvania should be tailored-made for Barack Obama; it is just a question of getting the message to the voters...Pensylvania is the land of blue collar and Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with them. She has not worked with them on the street to find them jobs as Barack Obama did! She had loaned her own campaign millions of dollars (much more than a regular blue collar will make in his life time) coming from lobbyists she is working for (and who do not have generally the interest of working people in mind) while Barack Obama's campaign is fully financed by small donors. Barack Obama is the man of the people, while Hillary Clinton is part of a dynasty and who would not be in this race without the name of her husband and the support from the establishment and lobbyists. In a fair world, Pensylvannia should be an uphill battle for Hillary Clinton.

If Pennsylvanian are voting for the most experienced candidate, they should take into consideration that Hillary Clinton still refuses to cooperate with the White House to release her records as first lady. On the campaign trail, she claims experience but she can not back up her assertions with her records.

If Pennsylvanian are voting for the most trustworthy candidate they should know that the Clintons are still refusing to release their tax returns and the list of big donors to their foundation... This is a big deal because the Clinton foundation received recently a $31.3 million donation after Bill expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader's, undercuting both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights (Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&oref=slogin ).

If Pennsylvanian are voting for the most electable candidate they should know that Barack Obama is getting a large part of the independent votes. And that when the Clintons will have released their records, Hillary will be radio-active (as candidate for the nomination in her party or for the presidency).

Pennsylvania should be tailored-made for Barack Obama. It's just a question of informing the voters about Hillary and her true records. Let's press the Clintons to release their records so that we can move on soon with Barack against McCain.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 16, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Obama will take any county West of Philly. Not even Allegheny. People in the Keystone State go to church, and choose the church they attend based on its reflecting their own beliefs. They will find it hard to believe that Barack, particularly considering his wife's failure to have any pride in America until just recently, really thinks that much differently than the good pastor. After all, Obama spent 20 years in that congregation, and only now finds it problematic to have had a racist preacher leading his spiritual life. Perception is everything, particularly when you are basing your entire campaign on being perceived to being charismatic.

Posted by: daweeni | March 16, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Obama has very much an uphill battle in PA. He has been saying that he is the candidate that has better judgement and therefore should be President. Examples of his "better" judgement are: 1) Rezko, who he considered a friend and who helped the Obama's to purchase their Chicago mansion (during the time that Rezko was being investigated), 2) Wright, who Obama refuses to repudiate for his anti-American racism, which has been preached for many years and included in church newsletters (but which Obama says he didn't know about until the beginning of his campaign), 3) Trinity United Church of Christ, which Obama refuses to leave, even though it has a well-known racist/anti-American reputation and, in fact, presented Louis Farrakhan with a life-time achievement award in November 2007. So, in addition to his lack of experience, Obama has shown extraordinarily BAD judgement over the past recent few years which he just brushes aside as unimportant. The voters are smarter than he gives them credit for and his "momentum" is about to come to an end!! Not just in Pennsylvania, but in Indiana, North Carolina, Oregon, etc., and not to mention in the "re-do" primaries of Michigan and Florida.

Posted by: mo897 | March 16, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

DON'T BE DUPED!!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. "Carpe diem" (harvest the day).

I think Hillary Clinton see's a beautiful world of plenty, and comfort for all. She is a woman, and a mother. And it's time America. Do this for your-self, and your children's future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don't want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-self.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama's. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

Hillary Clinton has been out manned, out gunned, and out spent 2 and 3 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON'T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket now! Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

I think Barack Obama has a once in a life time chance to make the ultimate historic gesture for unity, and change in America by accepting Hillary Clinton's offer as running mate. Such an act now would for ever seal Barack Obama's place at the top of the list of Americas all time great leaders, and unifiers for all of history. But the time to act is soon.

The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton's have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton's. Only the Clinton's are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

"This is not a game" (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith...

Posted by: JackSmith1 | March 16, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

More bad news for Hillary:

Today on Stephanopolus, Nancy Pelosi said the superdelegates should only take elected pledged delegate numbers into account when deciding whom to endorse even if the other candidate has the popular vote lead. This is a huge blow to the Clinton campaign and signals that Pelosi is clearly leaning to Obama as the nominee.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Reviewing Hillary's methodical playing of the "Race card", and "The Perpetual Victim" against Obama; her inability to control her own campaign finances; and, her recent commentary on: Iraq; Pakistan; Energy Policy; her stated intention to confiscate the profits of American energy companies; the need for her to control the 14 Trillion $ American Economy from her White House Politburo, since she has declared the free-market to be a failure (this from a woman who hasn't managed so much as a corner vegetable stand, or for that matter her own marriage; but, of course you could count Whitewater, and her tenure as "Madam" and Bimbo Containment Chief for Bill's White House Brothel); her Marxist statement in San Francisco: "We're going to have to take more from you, and give it to others for the common good."; Illegal Immigration; Taxes; Infanticide; Massive new Government spending; Multi million $ Senate earmarks for supporters of Hillary's Presidential campaign; Garnishing of your wages to fund her coveted Socialized medicine program; and, the Clinton's history of emasculating the military, verifies that this grievously flawed woman would be the female version of the Jimmy Carter debacle that gave us the Ayatollah Khomeini who ushered in rampant Islamic radicalism; block-long lines at our gasoline stations; a severely hollow military; and, a record Misery Index. Only much worse. Considering all of Hillary's recent gaffes, e.g. "I voted FOR IT (referring to the Bankruptcy Bill); but, I was glad to see that it didn't pass."; and, her increasingly frequent crying jags, one has to wonder if excessive use of Botox has affected her mental stability. It's no wonder that her campaign staff is shielding her from reporter and audience unscripted questions. The prospect of Madam Hillary as President; in a word: TERRIFYING. Greg Neubeck

Posted by: gneubeck | March 16, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

A lot of people are hearing about the Rev. Wright for the first time, and wondering who he is. But the real question is, Who is Barack Obama? And how he addresses the controversy about his pastor will go a long way to answering that question.

When a preacher blasts America by attacking an ethnic group, this is racism. Because it is black on white does not negate the fact that the comments were racists. When I watch the congregation of that church jumping and dancing to the words of the pastor, I cannot help but wonder if Senator Obama was the only oddball not rejoicing along with the congregation that seemed in such elated agreement with the hate filled, anti-American words of the pastor. If a leader of our country is connected to this type of racism for over twenty years, that leader is well aware of what he is connected with. Does America not see that people publicly change their connection ties when they run for office in order to separate themselves from what could cause a defeat? Why did Senator Obama not publicly and openly denounce his preacher and the congregation before he ran for the presidency? I believe his wife's statement about being proud of America for the first time in her adult life should never be forgotten. If you listen close, people will truly reveal what they are really about.

The Reverend has every right to say what he wants, but since Barack Obama has intentionally aligned himself with someone who quite frankly hates America, you have to question his own loyalty. It is fine for anyone to hold this view - it's what our soldiers are fighting for, but I am damn sure not voting for someone to lead our country who feels this way. I doubt many will.

There is a disturbing pattern emerging about Barak Obama. If only one incident had appeared it would not be much of a concern but the fact that there is a pattern gives one pause to consider exactly what kind of changes does he envisage. Here is the pattern: 1) during the reciting of the Pledge of Allegiance Obama does not place his right hand over his heart.2) Michelle Obama states that only after the Iowa caucuses: "Was the first time she felt proud to be an American". This from a woman whose success may have depended on affirmative action - something that would have made me feel proud to be an American.3) Now we hear and see his pastor (his spiritual advisor for 17 years) openly preach "God should damn America" and who openly supports Farrakan. This is not guilt by association, it is guilt because of choice. Obama cannot claim that he did not know what his "uncle" was preaching. He did know, but still chose to remain in that congregation. The pattern is clear enough. Ignore at your own peril

Obama cannot and will not distance himself from his preacher, because clearly he agrees with what is being preached. I found it amazing that many African Americans find this preaching "normal" and do not understand how most whites are unaware that it is common or are offended by these words. It is clear to me that this kind of rhetoric feeds hate and racism, while the speakers of it are only trying to be supportive of their own race. I can see that the level of anger and hatred is increased at other websites that are not closely censored. Regardless of whether Obama denounces his preacher, all people of faith should denounce this message. Speaking blasphemy from the pulpit should be enough for anyone. This is not good for America.

Posted by: starbuck1 | March 16, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

It is very amusing that when rumors of Obama being a Muslim were out he said it was offensive. Why didn't he just say it wasn't true, I have Muslim friends and supporters who are patriotic Americans. Islam is a religion of peace except for the hijacking of it by a few extremists? Because the so-called Christian church he belongs to espouses extremist, hate filled, anti-white, Anti-American views as an extremist mosque. Bye bye Barack

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 16, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Clinton and Obama are only representatives of the factions of the Democratic Party that support them.
While Hilary seemed to be the heir to the throne of the Party as she was expected by many that her nomination was going to be a formality. There is a big faction of the Democratic Party that rejected her and her husband. They pushed Obama to the frontline as their candidate of choice. While Obama has a certain talent to communicate, race may have played a role in his selection. The Clinton camp fail into the trap by bring race into the equation. Since, the black community is a sizable component of the electorate, it was easy for him to capture it.
The question that needs an urgent answer by the Democratic establishment is why there is a strong current in the Democratic Party that is opposed to the Clintons. A short answer might be that Bill Clinton helped bring the republican revolution to the congress in 1994. The Democratic Party may not want to forgive.

Posted by: iheitsch2 | March 16, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

. I hadn't heard what all the uproar was about over Obama's pastor (we don't watch TV and I had been focusing on the economic news) and had seen an article in the NYT and so went off trying to find out what was going on. I found endless videos of Wright, and the 'gee whiz, I made a poor judgment about Rezko' interview in the Chicago Trib. And this is very very bad folks. Wright alone is devastating.

Now we are highly educated Quakers (the group reknown for tolerance and understanding.) We watched a huge number of the tapes - and sat here in stunned disbelief at the hatred, vitriol and conspiracy theories that poured out of Obama's 20 year friend/pastor/"major influence"/source of his book title and campaign theme/moral and spiritual guide/counselor. It was clearly a radical black 'blame whitey' church. When Wright said that Clinton had not been subject to prejudice or that her 'people' had not been considered non-persons, that was it for me with respect to Obama. Women were 'non-persons' for far longer than black men, In the 1850's free black men could own property - women could not. Black men got the vote before any women ever did. White women may not be called 'n*****', but they are still routinely called 'b***h' and 'c***.' When Wright said Obama is not white, all I could think is 'what does that say about Obama's view of his white mother and her family that he would associate with someone who would literally say they do not exist.'

Yet Obama has been deeply deeply involved with this man for 20 years, claims that the Wright brought him to Christianity through his preaching, and relies upon his moral counsel. Since one's religious views and world views are inseparable, there is no way that Wright could have preached a gentle loving, inclusive Christianity and preached hatred, blame and divisiveness on social matters and public policy. Obama's denials of any knowledge about Wright's views rings patently false.

(BTW, this is nothing new for Wright. We are from Chicago and he has been spewing this line for decades. You would have had to be deaf dumb and blind not to have know what he preached if you lived in the Chicago area. He was the Christian version of Farrahkan and anyone who paid the slightest attention to the Chicago-area news knew it.)

As far as political analysis goes, I was a Congressional aide and ran political campaigns when I was younger. My first political involvement was at the age of 16 taking campaign literature door-to-door for McGovern and I have never voted for a Republican in my life. Here is my analysis of the political fall-out.

You can't spin the tapes of Wright. The typical voter is Caucasian, 40ish or older, has an income under $85,000 (bottom 75% of households) and/or does not have a college degree (72% of the voters), lives in a community just like them, and thinks the US was innocent in the events leading up to 9/11 and that the terrorists are going to come and blow up the playground in their town. No one can spin those tapes now enough to persuade average Aunt Tilly and Uncle Jake who just got home from the Lutheran Church in their suburban/small town and who get their political news from TV. Never underestimate how very shallow is the pool of information upon which the vast majority of voters base their decision. They aren't living on the Internet typing "Go Obama-CHANGE!" or "Go Hillary" - they watch the TV and then vote.

I'm talking about the PA voters here people - and I DO KNOW PA as I grew up there (family came to the state in 1792), went to college there and ran political campaigns there.

These voters will see the tapes with 'God damn America', 'whites invented AIDS to kill blacks, 'the US is evil and causes genocide', and 'hate whitey' rants - and they will be horrified. They have spent their lifetimes being told it is wrong to judge people on their color (and that saying such things can get them sued or fired from their jobs) - and they see the tapes of Barack Obama's 20 year minister - his close friend, 'major influence upon him', 'moral and spiritual guide' and the pastor of the church he choose because of the pastor - ranting that 'whites are to blame' for everything and created an evil world; and you have lost them as voters.


They hear Obama do the 'gee golly whiz, I didn't know he said this kind of thing even though I have been very close to him for 20 years and have attended his church for 20 years' and they look at the tapes and see the congregation whooping it up in response and conclude that Wright's statements must be normal to them. They conclude Obama is lying through his teeth (or too stupid to be dogcatcher if he could sit there in that church for 20 years and not notice what was being said.) They will hear Obama say 'trust me - I'm for inclusiveness and not being divisive" - and they see the tapes of his chosen minister and church preaching divisiveness, racial anger, blame and hatred; and think 'actions speak louder than words.' Obama has no credibility on his claim that he didn't know what his minister and church preached and believed - non, zero, zip, nada.

Now you have to explain away Wright to all these voters who make decisions based upon news clips and soundbites. Good luck.

You can't reach all these voters and try to do the explanation of why a 60ish year old black man spews such hate and venom at them based upon their race. All these posts trying to explain it, justify it and rationalize it are too much and too long for the typical voter. They are not going to read them, they are not going to believe them as an excuse. They make decisions based upon soundbites and images.

Even if you could get them to listen to the rationale of 'well, the guy grew up under Jim Crow, they are going to respond 'that was 40 years ago - get over it and besides, I had nothing to do with it and I'm sick and tired of hearing about it.'

Even if you could get them to listen to and consider that the US's Israel policy is irrational and unfair, you are not going to persuade them because of the way Wright expressed such a view. He alienated them.

Even if you could get them to listen to why Wright says that the US policies led to 9/11, you most definitely are not going to persuade them because the average voter clings to the myth that the US is on the side of truth, justice and right - and is always the 'good guys.'

And you will never persuade them that the 'whites created AIDS to kill blacks' is merely a misunderstanding of a scientific theory that was rapidly discredited and not just wacky looney ravings of a racist (with whom Obama has been, for 20 years, and still is, intimately connected.)

Because to the church and the pastor with whom Obama has allied himseld deeply for 20 years, it is Obama who has introduced the racial discord into the campaign. If he had been a boring Episcolpalian, this all would not be out there as a problem but he choose a racist 'blame whitey' church for 20 YEARS.

It doesn't matter that Clinton and McCain have taken the 'hands off, we won't use it' approach. Why should they? With this stuff coming out, Obama is self-destructing. The Swift-boat type groups haven't said they will keep hands-off. They will use it - use it hard. A reprimand and disavowal by McCain won't matter squat. It will be out there. A 30 or 60 second commercial funded by the Swift-boat type groups will sink Obama so far down in the general election that he will make the Herbert Hoover's electoral returns look good. And for those who don't know what that means, Hoover got 59 electoral votes from Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Vermont. In this case, you would have to deduct Pennsylvania.

I am finding it hard to comprehend that the Democrats managed to turn a shoo-in election into a near certain lose by narrowing it down to the 2 worst possible candidates that have been seen in decades. One is has negatives over 51% - and those haven't budged in months - complicated by misogyny and too many vicious old political battles.. The other has no real experience beyond a part-time state legislature, does the 'trust me/visionary' thing and turns out to have close personal ties to a racist 'hate whitey, blame whitey' church which he denies knowing about throughout a 20 year association. The Democrats have turned a sure thing into a potential debacle in their desire to be politically correct and progressive by supporting either a woman or a man who is half black/half white without really seriously considering the background of either (and actually digging into to their backgrounds rather than merely accepting facile self-serving assertions by the candidate) and how it will play with the voters at large. The point was to WIN the 2008 election, not to make history by running a candidate who may make history because of their race or gender but will end up losing because of underlying inadequacies. Sheesssshhhh! Thanks a lot people. Looks like you are going to land us with McCain!


Posted by: eabpmn | March 16, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Outspoken Minister Out Of Obama Campaign at 3/16/2008 12:58 AM EDT
SeedofChange wrote:
1996: A Quiet Room in Chicago Board of Election Commission

Tears roll down Senator Alice Palmer's face, he can not believe, people will not have any say in who should be there representative, Barack or himself.

Since morning of day after New year in the year 1996, Barack's legal people have been going through each and every petition and finding some legal ground to force Barack's rival off the ballot.

(All of Obama's rivals were forced off the ballot - and Obama ran unopposed. That is the politics Obama cut his teeth on. Down and dirty Chicago corruption politics.)

Sen. Alice Palmer, the longtime progressive activist from the city's South Side. It is true he does not have the same qualification as Barack, but people love him. They should have some say. But if Barack has his way, people will have not say in the process.

Fresh from his work as a civil rights lawyer and head of a voter registration project that expanded access to the ballot box, Obama launched his first campaign for the Illinois Senate saying he wanted to empower disenfranchised citizens.

A close examination of Obama's first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it.

A merciless soul.
3/15/2008 10:17:24 PM
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Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 16, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Pastor Wright is controversial but he is not a lunatic. Both the Trinity UCC and national UCC have issued statements defending Wright.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Below is Pelosi's view on superdelegates before she became an Obama supporter.

"I believe superdelegates have to use their own judgment and there will be many equities that they have to weigh when they make the decision: their own belief and who they think will be the best President, who they think can win, how their own region voted, and their own responsibility. ... I have confidence that they will make the decision that is necessary, before we go to the convention, to a place where Democrats are unified and go into that convention unified so we come out of the convention unified."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2008/03/pelosi_and_superdelegates_cont.html

Posted by: Skinsfan1978 | March 16, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Interesting stat from recent Rasmussen polling show Obama actually doing slightly better than Hillary against McCain in PA.

John McCain 46%
Hillary Clinton 44%

John McCain 44%
Barack Obama 43%


Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama talking about racial divisiveness now would be like Bill Clinton talking about abstinence after the blue dress or Bush giving a speech on world peace.

Posted by: nlynnc | March 16, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Yesterday Barack Obama picked up 9 delegates in the Iowa County conventions and Hillary Clinton lost one. (No actual delegates will be elected until April 26 and again on June 14). Obama went from 38% to 52%. Because of our first caucus we have had more contact with all of the candidates. I would point out that Iowa while becoming more diverse is not a state with a large minority population. For the record, 9 delegates is the Hillary Obama gap in Ohio.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | March 16, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

We need for Hillary to win the nomination for President.

Posted by: lettyjapzon | March 16, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

infuse said:

But the Tribune joins most Americans with this important question in another editorial today
"What is Clinton hiding?"


Great point.

If she won't answer questions now...

do you want her to have access to your FBI/IRS files?

Actions do mean something; Obama is sitting for the press, answering questions about Rev. Wright and Resko, releasing his tax returns, and making public his earmark information.

Hillary? Fuggetaboutit. She's gonna run out the the clock, and hope no one keeps asking about her tax returns, her earmarks, and the Clinton Library records.

It is a good question; what's she hiding?

Posted by: chuckhampton | March 16, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama also picked up 9 delegates yesterday from Iowa in the midst of the Wright controversy. It is not having much effect where it counts -- e.g. votes.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 16, 2008 04:48 PM

Skinsfan1978 posted:
"There is a reason a majority of Democrats are not voting for him in the primaries. "
Posted by: artemis26
Check the stats. How do YOU define "majority"
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Skins would be talking about REGISTERED DEMS, party regulars, not crossovers.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 16, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

There is a photo circulating of Obama next to Rev. Wright, in the church. It looks like Wright is wearing the same shirt that he had on when he was railing on about racial things and hating America, "God Damn America."

I also saw one video that showed Wright speaking and in the background, you could see a woman that looked exactly like Michelle Obama, in one of the pews. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 16, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

In fact, Obama is turning the Wright controversy into plus by discussing race issues and racial division in his stump speech now.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

He was there!!!!!!

This part of a long article. This is starting to pop up on conservative sites. Remember he stated he was never in attendance for these sermons.

For the full article
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/8/8/194812.shtml

Jim Davis
Thursday, Aug. 9, 2007

Presidential candidate Barack Obama preaches on the campaign trail that America needs a new consensus based on faith and bipartisanship, yet he continues to attend a controversial Chicago church whose pastor routinely refers to "white arrogance" and "the United States of White America."


In fact, Obama was in attendance at the church when these statements were made on July 22.


Obama has spoken and written of his special relationship with that pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.


The connection between the two goes back to Obama's days as a young community organizer in Chicago's South Side when he first met the charismatic Wright. Obama credited Wright with converting him, then a religious skeptic, to Christianity. [Editor's Note: Can Oprah Winfrey make Barack Obama president? Click Here.]


"It was ... at Trinity United Church of Christ on the South Side of Chicago that I met Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., who took me on another journey and introduced me to a man named Jesus Christ. It was the best education I ever had," Obama described his spiritual pilgrimage to a group of church ministers this past June.


Since the 1980s, Obama has not only remained a regular attendee at Wright's services in his inner city mega church, Trinity United Church of Christ, along with its other 8,500 members, he's been a close disciple and personal friend of Wright.


Wright conducted Obama's marriage to his wife Michelle, baptized his two daughters, and blessed Obama's Chicago home. Obama's best-selling book, "The Audacity of Hope," takes its title from one of Wright's sermons

Posted by: chefjo2001 | March 16, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I think Senator Clinton's supporters should be hesitant to talk about corruption when you consider Whitewater and other scandals she has been associated with. As far as Pastor Wright is concerned, let's not forget that Senator Clinton was associated with Barry Goldwater years ago. Pastor Wright's speech is 7 years old, give me a break. We all have friends and relatives that we do not agree with. Just as Senator Clinton should not be punished for her association with Goldwater nor should Senator Obama with Wright. People cannot control people and the idea that Senator Obama should be familiar with every sermon his pastor has given is not a tenable argument because there are many people married for 20 years or more and still do not know their spouses although they are way more intimate as it concerns sharing their deepest thoughts and fears. Senator Obama's mother is white, whom he loved and his grandparents he loves are white and they raised him. To suggest that he supports a racist is ludicrous. Why Pastor Wright is considered racists is a question that should be flushed out? I doubt that the Senator from Illinois would support anyone that was against his family. I think Senator Obama is guilty of allowing people to exercise the first amendment although he does not agree with them, which is a quality America has lost since 9/11. Pastor Wright proudly served his country as a Marine, why can't he criticize his country. Most African Americans including myself do hold grievances with America but we do not "allow our grievances to overshadow our opportunities." Thus, we would never do anything to hurt our country but we do support efforts to take our country to tasks on how she has treated and continues to treat her African American citizenry (please read UN Human Rights Report). American is a great country and could be the flagship country if she would own up to her ideals and stop trying to silence criticism that paints her in a negative light. If you look at lynching, slavery, and the campaigns our country has carried out around the world, America's hands are guilty of terrorism. However, our responsibility as citizens of the world is to adopt Gandhi's saying "my patriotism and religion is not exclusive," meaning, we should always speak up for the aggrieved and challenge our great country America to uphold her tenets and decrees that allow every man and woman the opportunity to benefit from truth justice and equality.

Posted by: byron-price | March 16, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Skinsfan1978 posted:
"There is a reason a majority of Democrats are not voting for him in the primaries. "

Check the stats. How do YOU define "majority?"

Posted by: artemis26 | March 16, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

To be more specific...the black neighborhood is dangerous.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 16, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

As a sidenote for political junkies such as us...

The Pittsburgh Obama HQ is in a black neighborhood most whites are afraid of. The Clinton HQ is downtown.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 16, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

svreader...
you are repeating yourself over and over.
This means you are one of three things:

A/ a bot
B/ a clinton campaign worker
c/ an advertizing executive

If you are none of the above, I wouldn't want to live next door for fear of my children.

You are not well...seriously

Posted by: bobbuck | March 16, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, if I was running for public office and I attended a religious institution whose leader talked bananas I could care less.

What's worse: Hearing an anti-American sermon or going to church holding a bible while screwing Monica Lewinsky?

Posted by: Maddogg | March 16, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

gmundenat wrote, "You will all be voting for Obama soon enough, so stop helping the R's. The gig is up."

This is a naive statement. There is a reason a majority of Democrats are not voting for him in the primaries. And that will not change if his name is on the ticket for the general. If you look at Obama's non-record and the poor judgements that are finally being reported, the future of our country is more important than Obama's blind ambition!!

Posted by: Skinsfan1978 | March 16, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I would like to address the issue of Obama's pastor.

Obama was a top graduate from Harvard law. He is the farthest thing there is from an angry man.

He chose this black Chicago church because he was active in the community; he stayed involved to better to help heal the wounds that have caused the anger and alienation within segments of the black community -- the same anger and alienation occasionally expressed by his pastor.

We should applaud Obama for doing this. After all, the reason that white people fear this anger so much is that this anger creates a huge social cost to our entire society.

Obama is better equipped to bring change because he is involved, and can help bridge divides and heal anger.

I wish Hillary had shown this type of dedication, rather than join the unwholesome corporate Rose law firm.

Obama could have joined an upscale, genteel church.

Kudos to him for staying involved in the community he represented and whose anger he is trying to heal by improving the external and internal conditions that affect this community

Posted by: saraz1 | March 16, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

catchsandy posted:
"obama is done. Its very saddening to see all the hopes i had on him and for our country crumble like this. I really dont think he can recover from the wright controversy. It will be hell of a long time before I get enthusiasm in politics again."

Oh, come on. If Hillary were held accountable for every foolish thing Bill has ever said or done, she might have actually dumped the fool a long time ago. We are all associated with people who hold beliefs/actions we do not actually agree with, but we cannot always walk away from them because the world really is not black and white (literally and figuratively).

If that church is important enough to him, he wouldn't just walk away because of one man. Sometimes "plays well with others" means "puts up with others for the sake of getting stuff done." It's also important to note that all of those soundbites that are coming out are very recent.

Posted by: artemis26 | March 16, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Hillary? When are we going to discuss pending trial and Peter Paul?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw
When are we going to discuss your dealings with Rezko? http://blogsforvictory.com/2008/01/26/the-clintons-on-camera-with-tony-rezko/

Where are your tax returns? Are they being edited?
Where are your earmarks?
What are you waiting for?
Are you waiting until you have blind sided Pennsylvania?

Posted by: Debmood | March 16, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Despite the Tribune's rumor, smear and gossip writer, John Kass' efforts, the Chicago Tribune's editorial today concludes there is no there there in the Rezko case as it affects Barack Obama.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/chi-0316edit1mar16,0,745313.story

But the Tribune joins most Americans with this important question in another editorial today
"What is Clinton hiding?"
--in part--
This exercise in secrecy is part of a Clinton pattern that grows more worrisome all the time. The former first lady often says that she, unlike Obama, has been thoroughly vetted, rendering her impervious to Republican attacks. In fact, there are some important things unknown about her -- and her conduct suggests she wants to keep it that way. Which raises a question for voters: What is she hiding, and why?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/chi-0316edit2mar16,0,1138530.story

Posted by: infuse | March 16, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

IT'S CRITICAL. ALL OF US HERE IN PENNSYLVANIA MUST KEEP UP THE HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORT,AND KEEP IT BUILDING!


I am asking all voters here in Pennsylvania where I live to vote for Senator Hillary Clinton in the Democratic Party Primary on Tuesday April 22nd. This contest between her and Barack Obama is very close, and it's obvious now it will not be decided until the convention. That means that the "Super Delegates" will be making the final decision. We must keep the momentum going forward that the voters gave her in Ohio and Texas. It's critical. We must keep up the pressure.


Let me direct the voter to the www.HillaryClinton.com website for a refresher of some her plans for the people here in Pennsylvania, and the rest of the 50 states. To start off with, concerning health care coverage, Hillary Clinton's plan will cover everybody. Mr. Obama's plan won't. Go into the "Fact Hub" sub-section under "Newsroom" at the top of the main page. The references are all in there. Approximately 15 million people will have no coverage under the Obama plan. Maybe or maybe not, you will or will not have health care coverage under an Obama plan. Also dig into the "Issues" section from the top of the main website page. Many great specifics in there, with excellent detail - not glowing "feel good" generalities.


I want to highten everyone's antenna to much of which is going on with the Obama campaign to date. I will do so here with one outstanding analysis (in quotes) from a highly distinguished journalist.


Bill Maxwell's status as one of the country's preeminent black journalists is unquestioned. Mr. Maxwell writes a twice-weekly column for the St. Petersburg Times, and is syndicated by the New York Times News Service and by Scripps-Howard. His columns appear in 200 newspapers worldwide.


Bill Maxwell, "Obama's Dangerous Halo", Scripps Howard News Service, February 27, 2008. From the article: "There are those who suggest, only half-jokingly, that Obamamania has become something of a cult. Of course it is a cult, manifesting what writer James Wolcott refers to as "salvational fervor" and "pure euphoria." Listen to what the Anointed One said in South Carolina at one of his rallies, which he alludes to as tent revivals: "At some point in the evening, a light is going to shine down and you will have an epiphany and you'll say, 'I have to vote for Barack!' Something insidious is happening beneath this rapture. Because of the halo effect, too many people are afraid to sincerely criticize Obama for fear of being attacked and otherwise humiliated. Many white Democrats who do not support Obama are keeping their heads down and their mouths shut. They do not want to be denounced as racists for preferring Hillary Rodham Clinton for reasons that have nothing to do with race".


Continuing in the article; "Even the networks' late night talk-show hosts and MSNBC's prime-time troika of Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann and Dan Abrams are swooning for Obama. Predictably, the people most negatively affected by Obamamania are blacks who have resisted the new, emerging black monolith by supporting Clinton. These poor souls are being excoriated by other blacks and sometimes labeled as self-loathing Uncle Toms. The irony is that at the beginning of the campaign, conventional wisdom held that Obama was "not black enough." He had to prove his black bona fides. After all, his mother was a white Kansan, his father a Kenyan. He was born too late for the civil rights movement. Now the tables have turned, with the overwhelming majority of blacks zealously supporting him. That support is the new litmus test for being "authentically" black."


"The attacks against ordinary blacks who do not support the Haloed One are nasty enough, but they pale in comparison to the abuse being absorbed by famous blacks, especially members of the Congressional Black Caucus. Many decent, hardworking blacks who have done exemplary public work for a generation are portrayed as villains".


Ladies and Gentlemen, throughout all Pennsylvania -- this contest has nothing to do with "race"; but who is prepared to take over as President from this incompetent buffoon we have had the last seven years at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, and help get this country back on track.


We really are in serious shape, and we need someone who can come on board, lead, and tackle the problems immediately - and yes with a new Congress. It can be done, but we need a President who knows what they're doing, and that has to be Hillary Rodham Clinton.

We don't need a "preacher"... for this problem.

Common Sense - Bruce

Posted by: CommonSense12 | March 16, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama "I did not hear these sermons from the pew"

Bill Clinton "I did not have sexual relations with that young woman"

Anyone see the resemblance? The only difference is one was a personal short term lapse of sexual behavior. The other is a prolonged exposure to vile race hating indoctrination. Either way it is an extreme example of Obama's judgement.

Posted by: Ar_Dingbat | March 16, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

"She does have a lot of advantages and we recognize that," said Axelrod."

Yeah? Obama is the one with the deep pockets, the grassroots, the cult, the union endorsements, he is the one with the lead in delegates, the candidate of Change.
So where are Hillary's advantages? She has the governor, the Mayor of Philly and other officials, support from rural areas, working class, women.

So losing with less than 10% is "a victory"?

And this comes from the people who declared that Clinton would fail in Ohio and Texas. The same people who demanded that Clinton had to win in Ohio with a margin of 10% in order to claim a win.
The same people who suggested that the race was over.

Obama outspent Clinton between 2-1 an 3-1 and still failed to win, even coming off a winning streak of 12 straight wins.

Clinton can win Pennsylvania and she will close the gap in delegates. 158 delegates are at stake. If she wins 100 or more, Obama's lead crumbles.

This is going to be interesting...

Posted by: flosstoss | March 16, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

FYI, Obama has already recovered from the Wright controversy. Both Rasmussen and Gallup daily tracking showed a slight dip yesterday but today his nubmers are coming back up. Most news orgs have dropped the story. Obama handled the situation perfectly.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Please note how many comments are produced by svreader. I'm tired of hearing Obama cult references from someone who chants the same message over and over.

The funny thing is how often the Clinton people tell us Obama is "not who we think he is." Last time I checked, Obama supporters never claimed the guy could walk on water or is perfect. The notion that Obama is making huge and unrealistic promises is simply false. What separates Obama from other candidates is his message to voters that they must work to create change. He is not claiming he will fix everything. He is reminding Americans that we, the people are required to make change. It is through popular movement and political involvement that change can happen.

Ridiculous promises are the specific 4-point plans that will be torn apart in negotiations. Clinton's promises have no hope. Obama's promises are nothing more than a call to action.

If we're sick of politics in this country, which most of us are, we should support the candidate who reminds us this is OUR country, and we have the ability to affect change. No politician will turn this country around. Obama isn't promising us the world, he is just reminding us that in a democracy we have more power than we give ourselves credit for.

Posted by: pastiboy28 | March 16, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, so if Obama loses PA he loses the whole country? I guess Wisconsin doesn't count. Or New Jersey. Or Missouri. Or Texas. Or Connecticut.

Look, whoever has the most primary votes and the most pledged delegates ought to be the nominee. That someone will almost certainly be Obama. If it turns out that way and Clinton takes it away from him, she'll procure a Democratic nomination that will be virtually worthless.

Is that how she wants to be remembered, as the Democrat who snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in 2008? I sure hope not.

Posted by: MagicDog | March 16, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but I wouldn't vote for Obama if you paid me. I specifically switched from the GOP to Dem so I could vote for Hillary. I don't like McCain but I would prefer that we have 2 qualified candidates in November. At least they are both qualified. Obama is not. He started running for president as soon as he stepped thru the door of the senate.

I wouldn't vote for a PA State Rep for president either. Especially one who tolerates a foul, profanity-spewing, hateful, racist to be his "mentor". Then claims he didn't know about it.

He's toast in PA after those "sermons" were broadcast on local and national media. He will lose badly here. He will only get votes from those who think there's nothing wrong with sitting thru "sermons" like that - and a few starry eyed young people who are too blind to see that tolerating such evil rhetoric and supporting it with thousands of dollars in donations (when you claim it is "appalling") is worse than saying it yourself.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 16, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is running radio ads in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia to urge students, independents and Republicans -- three key constituencies to keep the race close -- to register as Democrats before the deadline."

While Hillary wins the majority of Democratic voters in every state, Obama asks Republicans to register as Democrats to vote for him. Obama Limbaugh is driving a wedge between the Party.

Posted by: Skinsfan1978 | March 16, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama only needs about 40% of the vote in PA to minimize any substantial delegate loss and then move on to NC and Indiana the next week where he will probably win both and gain back more delegates than lost in PA.

Posted by: zb95 | March 16, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

obama is done. Its very saddening to see all the hopes i had on him and for our country crumble like this. I really dont think he can recover from the wright controversy. It will be hell of a long time before I get enthusiasm in politics again.

Posted by: catchsandy | March 16, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Barack will win the PA delegate race, since delegates are allocated based on population. While winning the overall popular vote in the state would be great the primaries are delegate contests, not state popular vote contests.

Posted by: Maddogg | March 16, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Obama has so easily sidestepped the Wright debacle. Combine his long and apparently intimate relationship with the man and his entirely unbelievable and disengenuous claims that he didn't know Wright's opinions and there is a two-fold issue that's not going to go away. The first is, who is Obama anyway - the man with a blank voting slate and questionable friends? The second is - does he really have any credibility left?

According to CNN, Obama's conference call today was focusing back on the old nut of Clinton's 2007 tax returns - conveniently neglecting to mention that Obama's own returns for 2007 have not been made public. He's trying once again to redirect the negativity on to the Clinton campaign, but I think the that when the weekend ends and it's back to business as usual, Obama is going to find that he didn't sweep Wright under the carpet quite so easily.

He will never carry 87% white Pennsylvania. If Michigan and Florida revote and with the remaining primary contests, Hillary will undoubtedly carry the popular vote, even if she doesn't regain the lead in delegates. That's why we're hearing Nancy Pelosi argue that it's the delegates that count. I wish I could remember what her point of view on that topic was in 2000 when Gore won the popular vote, but not the delegates. But if her viewpoint was different then, someone will find that record and make it public.

And I'm sure that people with the sort of obsessive tenacity svreader has displayed will be going over those Wright videos frame by frame looking for Obama's face in the audience during just one of those sermons, thus backing him into a corner over his obvious and wholly ridiculous lies about his ignorance of this whole topic. Has he never read his own church website? And if he's that ignorant and naive about what's going on amongst his close advisor and his beloved church, how in the hell can we trust him to know what's going on in this vast country, let alone other countries, both friend and foe?

Let's get real people. Obama has not been vetted or tried and he can't withstand being vetted. The Republicans will make mincemeat out of him by early September if the Superdelegates are stupid enough to nominate him. Fortunately, Nancy Pelosi only speaks for herself. I think the Superdelegates are going to nominate the most electable candidate, not the most pitiable one.

Posted by: nlynnc | March 16, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's goose steppers are just not grounded in reality. She will have far few delegates and votes going into the convention. No matter how much dirt she throws at Obama, no matter how much she or anyone else wants it, the superdelegates will never have the nerve to go against the people. Even Nancy Pelosi is starting to speak up. You will all be voting for Obama soon enough, so stop helping the R's. The gig is up.

Posted by: gmundenat | March 16, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I have only one question for Barack Hussein Obama, who are you?You says one thing does the other, first your said you have better judgement because you were against the Irag war, then afterwards you voted for the funding. You said you were a devoted Christian yet you took all donations from international Muslim criminals such as Rizko and Sarchie. You said you want to change Washington yet you took $300K from Rizko to pay for your residence in Chicago, you said Rev Wright is your inspiration and mentor for over 17 years who married you and baptised your children, now you fired him because he is in the way to presidency. You said you are a devoted family man, yet you have seen your biological father only once and never bother to show up at your own mother's funeral.Why you vote over 100 times just present and tooke no stand in the ILL senate? Again who are you? I think all Americans have the right to ask this question before you become the president of American, yes, we,the American people have the audacity to ask, not just listen to your speeches and read the couple of books you wrote.

Posted by: johnycheng1 | March 16, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse


Tricky? Well, Mr. Obama knows tricky

Mr. Obama has "HOODWINKED" the American people. His supporters and the press(ure). By admission, he hid his "pastor" away until he had enough delegates to bring on his REAL AGENDA. He "refused" to talk about it or discuss the pastor. Mr. Obama is a TOTALLY CALCULATED MAN. There is nothing new, honest or different about him. He's the worst I've ever seen of a deceptive politician. Why not, he's got the good old white boys club behind th scenes. Wow. I dislike even Democrats now.

Mr. Obams is a sly, sneaky rat. He's hidden being other peoples voices and many masks.

When the White Haired Trolls figure out that he's actually hoodwinked them as well - wow, what a day that will be. They think he will be their puppet. But they are SO wrong. He has plan - and they aren't about white America - which he and his wife hate every Sunday and want to CHANGE - you bet they do.

Bill Bradley - a big fat bull frog from Mr. Obama's camp - thinks we should "put this behind us". Oh - you can be sure they wish they could. They hid that "spiritual adviser" away until Obama had some delegates - before anyone KNEW who he is and isn't.
Sneak, dirty rat politics - just like the old White Haired Troll boys club politics. Mr. Bradley used to have a brain and something to say. He should crawl back under his rock in the muck pond. Mr. Obama isn't Teflon. He is going to give us President McCain. Plain and simple.

These are ALL must see videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwog6E08CFU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

Posted by: Thinker | March 16, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Too, too many responses to this article echo the petty attacks that each candidate inflicts upon the other in the quest for the nomination. Beginning NOW, the candidates must focus their attacks on Senator McCain exclusively. The extent to which each candidate effectively energizes the electorate to support the nominee in November will determine the winner of the nomination, without giving powerful ammunition to the Republicans. Too much has already been provided.

Posted by: abc3 | March 16, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Check out the primary/caucus results stats and look at the number of states in which Clinton has won by more than 10%. Pretty paltry.

She has won by more than 20% in about 2 states, whereas Obama has done it in at least 10. Should he fight for PA? Heck yeah, he should. He fought for TX and lost the primary by a measly 3%, which was so against the odds that you may as well call it a win. In the end, he gets more delegates out of that state and I call that a win. Once TX has their state convention, it will be official that he won that state.

So yeah, fight for PA and narrow the margin as much as possible. You cannot say that a loss is a loss - you have to qualify the margin of loss, or the percentage of gain on the expected margin. It would be ridiculous to walk away from PA because you don't want to explain why you lost by 5% instead of 20%.

Posted by: artemis26 | March 16, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

j9zig1
just in case you didn't watch the Hillary felony's yet or you missed the posting here they are again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I

After you watch this you could consider reading Obama's book. Son of a white mother raised by white grand parents in a America that just was starting to realize that there shouldn't be a difference in black and white.

As for Mccain he did not show me yet if he is going to change the WB policy. The US is bankrupt and is spending 500 million a day in a War. We can't stay there for another 100 years. I support our troops but WE cannot support our troops anymore we are bankrupt.

Posted by: pieter.dendecker | March 16, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: svreader
When Sen. Obama gets to Monaca, PA will someone in the media please ask him why he called Rev. Wright his "former pastor" in his huffingtonpost.com piece?
__ _______________________

Some local media may have the guts. Interestingly, his first appearance in this area is about 45 min from Pittsburgh. It requires people to pick up tickets today. To control who shows up. None of the Hillary Clinton events (of which there have been at least 6 already in the Pittsburgh area) have required this.

He has dismissed PA as "just one of 10" future primaries. That sure doesn't play well here. I imagine it doesn't fire up his supporters much either.

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 16, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse


lies

spin

deception

spin

diversion

spin

delay the answers

spin

dishonest

caught

spin

unqualified

spin

lazy in Illinois

spin

lazy in the senate

spin

troops in Afghanistan

still waiting for CHANGE

fancy talk

no action

back to Chicago

NObama


we know his supporters are all idealists and t this man is USING your ideaism.
like he uses everything else.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwog6E08CFU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related


Posted by: Thinker | March 16, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

awb475 wrote, "When Barack Obama responded to the altar call at Trinity United Church of Christ in 1988, he was responding, in part, to that message."

Obama saw an advantage in being part of the biggest African American church in Chicago and it had nothing to do with the message. Now, that his dream of winning the primaries is so close, he has no use for his mentor Wright. I ask Obama supporters to look objectively and unbiased at what we are finding out about Obama and ask yourself did he use good JUDGEMENT.

Posted by: Skinsfan1978 | March 16, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

svreader said:

Please look at the video and do your own research on the net, starting by googling "Obama lies"

He's a super-salesman master manipulator.

He doesn't deserve your support or your vote.

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Channel 5, Chicago's most respected TV news program.


I looked at the (Carol Marin) clip, and it dosen't accuse Obama of any wrongdoing,
it just raises questions-

This weekend Obama sat with the Chicago Tribune and Chicago Sun-Times which Marin also works for.

She was present for the questioning, and
he sat still for any and every question they had for him.

Carol said:

"How much better it would have been if he had offered these details earlier.

Because the senator's description of his relationship with Rezko is entirely plausible."


http://www.suntimes.com/news/marin/844638,carol031508.article

But, keep spewing the innuendo, the idea is, by saying it over and over again,
some people who are too lazy to do the research will buy it, right?


Good thinking.

Posted by: chuckhampton | March 16, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

svreader,

Obama was not the mayor of Chicago, nor was he an active member of the Chicago, he was Senator in the Illinois senate. He cannot be held personally responsible for the crimes committed by anyone in his district anymore than Hillary can be held responsible for the crimes committed by anyone in New York.

Using your illogic:

Hillary is a U.S. senator in New York.

Therefore, Hillary is directly responsible for the slums in New York City.

Posted by: kevinschmidt | March 16, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

nezbangi-LOL!

So will Barack.

LMFAO! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 16, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

ATTENTION BILLARY SUPPORTERS:

Even if Hillary uses every play out of Karl Rove's playbook, she'll still come up short in the delegate math, and that INCLUDES Michigan AND Florida. Encourage your candidate to do the right thing and step aside for the good of the party.

Posted by: nezbangi | March 16, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

How will the winner be determined?

The most delegates or which state was won?

Posted by: OneFreeMan | March 16, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Tirade1 posted:
I live in PA. There is so much support for Hillary in my area that I'm convinced the only chance Obama has of winning is if Hell freezes over.
-- -- --

Me too. It is just a question of how large the margin will be. I am working to make sure it is 20+. Hope you are too!

GO HILLARY!

Posted by: j9zig1 | March 16, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Jeremiah Wright retired because he is 67 years old, and he's been preaching for 40 years, and before that he was a U.S. Marine.

Posted by: scharb | March 16, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama does not have to win Pennsylvania, he only has to win at least 35% of the votes in the remaining primaries. With his current popularity that feat is a foregone conclusion.

The fat lady has sung. Why won't Hillary go home?

Posted by: kevinschmidt | March 16, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons stole jobs of the lunch bucket crowd through NAFTA and reduced their wages with illegal immigration and Hillary still gets their support.

PA will be a tough sell for Obama as these are the folks that have yet to accept civil rights for Blacks. They are like OH.
They represent the old guard and its dysfunctional ways.

For her part Hillary was unable to create jobs in NY and her Health Care Reform package in 1993 collapsed. Her record is not sound even though she had a Democratic Congress in 1993 and her husband was President. She is another Bush disaster waiting to happen.

Obama has the ability to crack the dysfunctional mold but in this case of PA & OH it will come down to race.

Posted by: Maddogg | March 16, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Gandolfstormcrow- FYI, I liked him better when he became "The White".

The "On Going War?" Talking about our War with radicalized Islam, or the Insane one on "Drugs"?

Saddam was taken down in Historically unprecedented Fashion. Over before most Iraqi's knew it began, and sooooo quickly we could not get our logistical support moved in in time!

As far as the Banking Disaster, Slick Willie signed off the Regulation on the Banks. :-(

Terrorists still a threat, golly, do we fight, or Capitulate?

Conservatives? What Conservatives? The RINO still has not muttered the Magical Phrase that will Energize and Unite the Base he needs.

"Abra-Ca-Mitt Romney VP-Da!" :-)

To be quickly followed by Joyous
Masses singing;

"HALLELUJAAAHHHH", HAAAAAAALLELUJAAAHHHHHH"!!! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 16, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Well if you still don't believe in the Hillary felony's here she is on TAPE!!

Sure I want her to spent(steal) my TAX money

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I

Posted by: pieter.dendecker | March 16, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

jim,

I post because the people who died because of Obama's arrogance and incompetence can't.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Newsweek
March 24, 2008

TRYING TIMES FOR TRINITY

The year was 1971, race riots flared across the country, and on the South Side of Chicago a tiny church was dying. Many blacks, disillusioned by their ministers' failure to bring home the promises of the civil-rights movement, were abandoning Christianity. They converted to Islam or Judaism or fringe sects--or refused to go to church at all. This particular congregation was looking for a pastor to lead them through these troubling times, and before they launched their search, they wrote a blue-sky description of the community they wanted to be: we want to "serve as instruments of God and church," the statement said, and we want to "elimin[ate] those things in our culture that lead to the dehumanization of persons." They wanted to be Christian, in other words. And they wanted to keep fighting.


On New Year's Eve, the search committee interviewed its final candidate. Jeremiah Wright Jr. was a young pastor enrolled at the University of Chicago Divinity School. Wright belonged to a group of black intellectuals who embraced "black liberation theology," the idea that blacks shouldn't have to choose between "Malcolm and Martin," as the theologians put it. They could be Christian and black; they could be black and proud. When Barack Obama responded to the altar call at Trinity United Church of Christ in 1988, he was responding, in part, to that message.

LINK to read:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/123604

Posted by: awb75 | March 16, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

kfern --

The real Barry Obama is so far from his carefully crafted public image its as if he's not even in the same galaxy.

Watch the video from Channel 5 news in Chicago.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

svreader, you are seriously sick. Get over your Obama obsession.

Posted by: jimoneill50 | March 16, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

When Sen. Obama gets to Monaca, PA will someone in the media please ask him why he called Rev. Wright his "former pastor" in his huffingtonpost.com piece?

I just visited Trinity Church's website and looked at the pastoral staff listings(http://www.tucc.org/pastoral_staff.htm). Rev. Wright is Senior Pastor and Rev. Moss is Pastor serving "under the leadership of Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright" as of March 16, 2008.

It seems that Sen. Obama might have been stretching the truth a bit, or jumping the gun, in calling Rev. Wright his "former pastor."

I wonder if Rev. Wright is being hustled off stage by the Obama Campaign. If so, someone might want to let Rev. Wright and his staff at Trinity Church know so that they can update their website.

As to the media, this seems like really basic fact checking that might have been done before picking up the huffingtonpost.com piece by Sen. Obama.

Posted by: donna1000 | March 16, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Iowatresures --

Like the Spartans, we will make our stand.

History will be our judge.

I am proud to know you.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I agree Obama should campaign for every vote. He represents the best of America.. The best... black, white, brown, red, female or male... the best of America. I believe it's unfortunate that his campaign has been tagged with such racial undertones. But, race is a big issue in America. And like he said he cannot deal with this issue in a manner of a year. The basic idea that there is two Americas holds true and visible in this presidential contest. Today, I learned that Planned Parenthood is taking donations for the purpose of promoting the termination of black babies. And yet, the majority of white America is shocked by what black preachers say on Sunday (it's not just Rev. Wright). The two may not seem related, but the common thread is race. Truth told, the things that divide us are less than what unites us. I hope people remind that and vote for unity. United, we have a fighting chance to address racial tension instead of acting like slavery didn't happen and like there is not deep-seated resentment among my parent's generation. Stop being appalled and address the problem.

Posted by: kfern07 | March 16, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

One can hardly see Obama giving up on Pennsylvania. But that state might not matter too much if Obama keeps winning delegates elsewhere, which he has been doing steadily since Texas and Ohio.
Does anyone really want to talk about why Billary is losing so many white voters to a black political opponent? That way, you could all throw out all that racist talk you seem to love, and concentrate on the issues. Some of you might also quit copying your posts from other articles into every single political article, and comment on each article individually. Sheesh, even the replies are copied....Brainless wonders.....
What Pennsylvania really needs is someone who will talk seriously about energy policy. We're gonna be selling Iowa to the Arabs in 10 years unless we change our policy today. Wind power may not be popular in a coal state like PA, but unless you want lots of pollution or radioactivity, we had all better start doing heavy solar and wind NOW, while we can afford it.
We can dump the pro-settlement policy that the Israelis hang around our necks too. Would all the campaign money dry up? Doesn't matter. Guaranteed wars with Israeli illegal settlements, so get ready!!

Posted by: bong_jamesbong2001 | March 16, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I am reproducing here a thoughtful article written by Matt Gonzalez where he analyzed the voting record of Obama:

The Obama Craze: Count Me Out

by Matt Gonzalez, 2008-02-27
Part of me shares the enthusiasm for Barack Obama. After all, how could someone calling themself a progressive not sense the importance of what it means to have an African-American so close to the presidency? But as his campaign has unfolded, and I heard that we are not red states or blue states for the 6th or 7th time, I realized I knew virtually nothing about him.

Like most, I know he gave a stirring speech at the Democratic National Convention in 2004. I know he defeated Alan Keyes in the Illinois Senate race; although it wasn't much of a contest (Keyes was living in Maryland when he announced). Recently, I started looking into Obama's voting record, and I'm afraid to say I'm not just uninspired: I'm downright fearful. Here's why:

This is a candidate who says he's going to usher in change; that he is a different kind of politician who has the skills to get things done. He reminds us again and again that he had the foresight to oppose the war in Iraq. And he seems to have a genuine interest in lifting up the poor.

But his record suggests that he is incapable of ushering in any kind of change I'd like to see. It is one of accommodation and concession to the very political powers that we need to rein in and oppose if we are to make truly lasting advances.

THE WAR IN IRAQ

Let's start with his signature position against the Iraq war. Obama has sent mixed messages at best.

First, he opposed the war in Iraq while in the Illinois state legislature. Once he was running for US Senate though, when public opinion and support for the war was at its highest, he was quoted in the July 27, 2004 Chicago Tribune as saying, "There's not that much difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage. The difference, in my mind, is who's in a position to execute." The Tribune went on to say that Obama, "now believes US forces must remain to stabilize the war-ravaged nation - a policy not dissimilar to the current approach of the Bush administration."

Obama's campaign says he was referring to the ongoing occupation and how best to stabilize the region. But why wouldn't he have taken the opportunity to urge withdrawal if he truly opposed the war? Was he trying to signal to conservative voters that he would subjugate his anti-war position if elected to the US Senate and perhaps support a lengthy occupation? Well as it turns out, he's done just that.

Since taking office in January 2005 he has voted to approve every war appropriation the Republicans have put forward, totaling over $300 billion. He also voted to confirm Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of State despite her complicity in the Bush Administration's various false justifications for going to war in Iraq. Why would he vote to make one of the architects of "Operation Iraqi Liberation" the head of US foreign policy? Curiously, he lacked the courage of 13 of his colleagues who voted against her confirmation.

And though he often cites his background as a civil rights lawyer, Obama voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act in July 2005, easily the worse attack on civil liberties in the last half-century. It allows for wholesale eavesdropping on American citizens under the guise of anti-terrorism efforts.

And in March 2006, Obama went out of his way to travel to Connecticut to campaign for Senator Joseph Lieberman who faced a tough challenge by anti-war candidate Ned Lamont. At a Democratic Party dinner attended by Lamont, Obama called Lieberman "his mentor" and urged those in attendance to vote and give financial contributions to him. This is the same Lieberman who Alexander Cockburn called "Bush's closest Democratic ally on the Iraq War." Why would Obama have done that if he was truly against the war?

Recently, with anti-war sentiment on the rise, Obama declared he will get our combat troops out of Iraq in 2009. But Obama isn't actually saying he wants to get all of our troops out of Iraq. At a September 2007 debate before the New Hampshire primary, moderated by Tim Russert, Obama refused to commit to getting our troops out of Iraq by January 2013 and, on the campaign trail, he has repeatedly stated his desire to add 100,000 combat troops to the military.

At the same event, Obama committed to keeping enough soldiers in Iraq to "carry out our counter-terrorism activities there" which includes "striking at al Qaeda in Iraq." What he didn't say is this continued warfare will require an estimated 60,000 troops to remain in Iraq according to a May 2006 report prepared by the Center for American Progress. Moreover, it appears he intends to "redeploy" the troops he takes out of the unpopular war in Iraq and send them to Afghanistan. So it appears that under Obama's plan the US will remain heavily engaged in war.

This is hardly a position to get excited about.

CLASS ACTION REFORM:

In 2005, Obama joined Republicans in passing a law dubiously called the Class Action Fairness Act (CAFA) that would shut down state courts as a venue to hear many class action lawsuits. Long a desired objective of large corporations and President George Bush, Obama in effect voted to deny redress in many of the courts where these kinds of cases have the best chance of surviving corporate legal challenges. Instead, it forces them into the backlogged Republican-judge dominated federal courts.

By contrast, Senators Clinton, Edwards and Kerry joined 23 others to vote against CAFA, noting the "reform" was a thinly-veiled "special interest extravaganza" that favored banking, creditors and other corporate interests. David Sirota, the former spokesman for Democrats on the House Appropriations Committee, commented on CAFA in the June 26, 2006 issue of The Nation, "Opposed by most major civil rights and consumer watchdog groups, this Big Business-backed legislation was sold to the public as a way to stop "frivolous" lawsuits. But everyone in Washington knew the bill's real objective was to protect corporate abusers."

Nation contributor Dan Zegart noted further: "On its face, the class-action bill is mere procedural tinkering, transferring from state to federal court actions involving more than $5 million where any plaintiff is from a different state from the defendant company. But federal courts are much more hostile to class actions than their state counterparts; such cases tend to be rooted in the finer points of state law, in which federal judges are reluctant to dabble. And even if federal judges do take on these suits, with only 678 of them on the bench (compared with 9,200 state judges), already overburdened dockets will grow. Thus, the bill will make class actions - most of which involve discrimination, consumer fraud and wage-and-hour violations - all but impossible. One example: After forty lawsuits were filed against Wal-Mart for allegedly forcing employees to work "off the clock," four state courts certified these suits as class actions. Not a single federal court did so, although the practice probably involves hundreds of thousands of employees nationwide."

Why would a civil rights lawyer knowingly make it harder for working-class people to have their day in court, in effect shutting off avenues of redress?

CREDIT CARD INTEREST RATES:

Obama has a way of ducking hard votes or explaining away his bad votes by trying to blame poorly-written statutes. Case in point: an amendment he voted on as part of a recent bankruptcy bill before the US Senate would have capped credit card interest rates at 30 percent. Inexplicably, Obama voted against it, although it would have been the beginning of setting these predatory lending rates under federal control. Even Senator Hillary Clinton supported it.

Now Obama explains his vote by saying the amendment was poorly written or set the ceiling too high. His explanation isn't credible as Obama offered no lower number as an alternative, and didn't put forward his own amendment clarifying whatever language he found objectionable.

Why wouldn't Obama have voted to create the first federal ceiling on predatory credit card interest rates, particularly as he calls himself a champion of the poor and middle classes? Perhaps he was signaling to the corporate establishment that they need not fear him. For all of his dynamic rhetoric about lifting up the masses, it seems Obama has little intention of doing anything concrete to reverse the cycle of poverty many struggle to overcome.

LIMITING NON-ECONOMIC DAMAGES:

These seemingly unusual votes wherein Obama aligns himself with Republican Party interests aren't new. While in the Illinois Senate, Obama voted to limit the recovery that victims of medical malpractice could obtain through the courts. Capping non-economic damages in medical malpractice cases means a victim cannot fully recover for pain and suffering or for punitive damages. Moreover, it ignored that courts were already empowered to adjust awards when appropriate, and that the Illinois Supreme Court had previously ruled such limits on tort reform violated the state constitution.

In the US Senate, Obama continued interfering with patients' full recovery for tortious conduct. He was a sponsor of the National Medical Error Disclosure and Compensation Act of 2005. The bill requires hospitals to disclose errors to patients and has a mechanism whereby disclosure, coupled with apologies, is rewarded by limiting patients' economic recovery. Rather than simply mandating disclosure, Obama's solution is to trade what should be mandated for something that should never be given away: namely, full recovery for the injured patient.

MINING LAW OF 1872:

In November 2007, Obama came out against a bill that would have reformed the notorious Mining Law of 1872. The current statute, signed into law by Ulysses Grant, allows mining companies to pay a nominal fee, as little as $2.50 an acre, to mine for hardrock minerals like gold, silver, and copper without paying royalties. Yearly profits for mining hardrock on public lands is estimated to be in excess of $1 billion a year according to Earthworks, a group that monitors the industry. Not surprisingly, the industry spends freely when it comes to lobbying: an estimated $60 million between 1998-2004 according to The Center on Public Integrity. And it appears to be paying off, yet again.

The Hardrock Mining and Reclamation Act of 2007 would have finally overhauled the law and allowed American taxpayers to reap part of the royalties (4 percent of gross revenue on existing mining operations and 8 percent on new ones). The bill provided a revenue source to cleanup abandoned hardrock mines, which is likely to cost taxpayers over $50 million, and addressed health and safety concerns in the 11 affected western states.

Later it came to light that one of Obama's key advisors in Nevada is a Nevada-based lobbyist in the employ of various mining companies (CBS News "Obama's Position On Mining Law Questioned. Democrat Shares Position with Mining Executives Who Employ Lobbyist Advising Him," November 14, 2007).

REGULATING NUCLEAR INDUSTRY:

The New York Times reported that, while campaigning in Iowa in December 2007, Obama boasted that he had passed a bill requiring nuclear plants to promptly report radioactive leaks. This came after residents of his home state of Illinois complained they were not told of leaks that occurred at a nuclear plant operated by Exelon Corporation.

The truth, however, was that Obama allowed the bill to be amended in Committee by Senate Republicans, replacing language mandating reporting with verbiage that merely offered guidance to regulators on how to address unreported leaks. The story noted that even this version of Obama's bill failed to pass the Senate, so it was unclear why Obama was claiming to have passed the legislation. The February 3, 2008 The New York Times article titled "Nuclear Leaks and Response Tested Obama in Senate" by Mike McIntire also noted the opinion of one of Obama's constituents, which was hardly enthusiastic about Obama's legislative efforts:

"Senator Obama's staff was sending us copies of the bill to review, and we could see it weakening with each successive draft," said Joe Cosgrove, a park district director in Will County, Ill., where low-level radioactive runoff had turned up in groundwater. "The teeth were just taken out of it."

As it turns out, the New York Times story noted: "Since 2003, executives and employees of Exelon, which is based in Illinois, have contributed at least $227,000 to Mr. Obama's campaigns for the United States Senate and for president. Two top Exelon officials, Frank M. Clark, executive vice president, and John W. Rogers Jr., a director, are among his largest fund-raisers."

ENERGY POLICY:

On energy policy, it turns out Obama is a big supporter of corn-based ethanol which is well known for being an energy-intensive crop to grow. It is estimated that seven barrels of oil are required to produce eight barrels of corn ethanol, according to research by the Cato Institute. Ethanol's impact on climate change is nominal and isn't "green" according to Alisa Gravitz, Co-op America executive director. "It simply isn't a major improvement over gasoline when it comes to reducing our greenhouse gas emissions." A 2006 University of Minnesota study by Jason Hill and David Tilman, and an earlier study published in BioScience in 2005, concur. (There's even concern that a reliance on corn-based ethanol would lead to higher food prices.)

So why would Obama be touting this as a solution to our oil dependency? Could it have something to do with the fact that the first presidential primary is located in Iowa, corn capitol of the country? In legislative terms this means Obama voted in favor of $8 billion worth of corn subsidies in 2006 alone, when most of that money should have been committed to alternative energy sources such as solar, tidal and wind.

SINGLE-PAYER HEALTH CARE:

Obama opposed single-payer bill HR676, sponsored by Congressmen Dennis Kucinich and John Conyers in 2006, although at least 75 members of Congress supported it. Single-payer works by trying to diminish the administrative costs that comprise somewhere around one-third of every health care dollar spent, by eliminating the duplicative nature of these services. The expected $300 billion in annual savings such a system would produce would go directly to cover the uninsured and expand coverage to those who already have insurance, according to Dr. Stephanie Woolhandler, an Associate Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School and co-founder of Physicians for a National Health Program.

Obama's own plan has been widely criticized for leaving health care industry administrative costs in place and for allowing millions of people to remain uninsured. "Sicko" filmmaker Michael Moore ridiculed it saying, "Obama wants the insurance companies to help us develop a new health care plan-the same companies who have created the mess in the first place."

NORTH AMERICAN FREE TRADE AGREEMENT:

Regarding the North American Free Trade Agreement, Obama recently boasted, "I don't think NAFTA has been good for Americans, and I never have." Yet, Calvin Woodward reviewed Obama's record on NAFTA in a February 26, 2008 Associated Press article and found that comment to be misleading: "In his 2004 Senate campaign, Obama said the US should pursue more deals such as NAFTA, and argued more broadly that his opponent's call for tariffs would spark a trade war. AP reported then that the Illinois senator had spoken of enormous benefits having accrued to his state from NAFTA, while adding that he also called for more aggressive trade protections for US workers."

Putting aside campaign rhetoric, when actually given an opportunity to protect workers from unfair trade agreements, Obama cast the deciding vote against an amendment to a September 2005 Commerce Appropriations Bill, proposed by North Dakota Senator Byron Dorgan, that would have prohibited US trade negotiators from weakening US laws that provide safeguards from unfair foreign trade practices. The bill would have been a vital tool to combat the outsourcing of jobs to foreign workers and would have ended a common corporate practice known as "pole-vaulting" over regulations, which allows companies doing foreign business to avoid "right to organize," "minimum wage," and other worker protections.

SOME FINAL EXAMPLES:

On March 2, 2007 Obama gave a speech at AIPAC, America's pro-Israeli government lobby, wherein he disavowed his previous support for the plight of the Palestinians. In what appears to be a troubling pattern, Obama told his audience what they wanted to hear. He recounted a one-sided history of the region and called for continued military support for Israel, rather than taking the opportunity to promote the various peace movements in and outside of Israel.

Why should we believe Obama has courage to bring about change? He wouldn't have his picture taken with San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom when visiting San Francisco for a fundraiser in his honor because Obama was scared voters might think he supports gay marriage (Newsom acknowledged this to Reuters on January 26, 2007 and former Mayor Willie Brown admitted to the San Francisco Chronicle on February 5, 2008 that Obama told him he wanted to avoid Newsom for that reason.)

Obama acknowledges the disproportionate impact the death penalty has on blacks, but still supports it, while other politicians are fighting to stop it. (On December 17, 2007 New Jersey Governor Jon Corzine signed a bill banning the death penalty after it was passed by the New Jersey Assembly.)

On September 29, 2006, Obama joined Republicans in voting to build 700 miles of double fencing on the Mexican border (The Secure Fence Act of 2006), abandoning 19 of his colleagues who had the courage to oppose it. But now that he's campaigning in Texas and eager to win over Mexican-American voters, he says he'd employ a different border solution.

It is shocking how frequently and consistently Obama is willing to subjugate good decision making for his personal and political benefit.

Obama aggressively opposed initiating impeachment proceedings against the president ("Obama: Impeachment is not acceptable," USA Today, June 28, 2007) and he wouldn't even support Wisconsin Senator Russ Feingold's effort to censure the Bush administration for illegally wiretapping American citizens in violation of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. In Feingold's words "I'm amazed at Democrats ... cowering with this president's number's so low." Once again, it's troubling that Obama would take these positions and miss the opportunity to document the abuses of the Bush regime.

CONCLUSION:

Once I started looking at the votes Obama actually cast, I began to hear his rhetoric differently. The principal conclusion I draw about "change" and Barack Obama is that Obama needs to change his voting habits and stop pandering to win votes. If he does this he might someday make a decent candidate who could earn my support. For now Obama has fallen into a dangerous pattern of capitulation that he cannot reconcile with his growing popularity as an agent of change.

I remain impressed by the enthusiasm generated by Obama's style and skill as an orator. But I remain more loyal to my values, and I'm glad to say that I want no part in the Obama craze sweeping our country.

Matt Gonzalez is a former president of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors.

Posted by: alee21 | March 16, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnn!

Posted by: havok26 | March 16, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

SVReader - I just checked the YouTube you are referring to, and over 18,000 people have looked at that site.

People are getting the message. Have you seen the spectacular crowds in Pennsylvania?

I would have loved to see the St. Patrick's Day parades Hillary was in, but the cable news only showed one very small glimpse, while they showed an entire rally of Obama in Indiana, denying his loyalty to Rev. Wright. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 16, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Ohhhhhh Please Nominate Barack!
Please please!
Pretty PLEASE! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 16, 2008 02:44 PM
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Dat's why we'uns got the SUPPA RATS!!!!

Posted by: harried | March 16, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama let the people who voted him into office freeze to death in the slums in his district and did nothing about it.

Obama had funneled $100M to his friend and campaign contributor Rezko to repair them, the work was never done, and Obama never followed up on the contracts as he was required to do.

After Obama got to the US senate, he still did nothing about the slums in his old district, or the rest of Chicago.

That's the REAL BARRY OBAMA!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

And her are the reactions of the Hillary backers reading previous

WAAAH - Stop posting the truth about Hillary we are so comfortable with our delusions. We are mad because actual voters got in the way of the Hill/Bill coronation.

WAAHH - We don't have any real issues so we attack Obama's middle name, his heritage, his family, his religion and his church.

WAAHH - If Hillary is not the nominee we will vote McCain or Nader or we will write in Hillary's name on the ballot with a crayon.

WAAHH - FLA and MI need to count. We don't care if Hillary's name was the only one on the ballot in MI. It needs to count.

WAAHH- Obama is the Anti-Christ and his supporters are kool-aide drinkers. Why do they keep winning? Hillary has a message. What is it this week?

WAAHH- Obama is linked to Rezko. His name wasn't on the witness list at the trial but we know there is a link. If not we will invent one.

WAAHH - We don't care if Bill is a disgusting pervert who obviously has little respect for women and would once again be whoring in the White House. We love Bill.

WAAHH - The Clinton years were just the best. So what if Kobart Towers, WTC, USS Cole and 2 American embassies were blown up. So what if Bill was so busy getting a BJ from Monica that he let the terrorists into our country to train and kill our citizens. The Clinton years were just the best.

WAAHH- Hillary has the experience. So what if she has less time as an elected official than Obama. Don't confuse us.

WAAHH- Obama doesn't have the experience to be President. So what if he has more experience than FDR, Woodrow Wilson, Ronald Reagan or Teddy Roosevelt when they took office. That doesn't mean he will be great. Stop trying to reason with us.

WAAHH- All the Blacks are voting for Obama. So what if only 36% of MS is Black. We have no idea where the other 27% comes from. It doesn't matter that Iowa, WI, and all the states Obama won except HI have a majority White population. The Blacks are going to determine the nomination. We and Geraldine Ferraro are mad about that.

WAAHH- Obama has links to the Moslem world. We know it because it is on YouTube.

WAAHH - Larry Sinclair is a legitimate issue. We just know he blew coke and Obama. It's on YouTube. YouTube is the new CNN. Don't you get that?

WAAHH - We will support Hillary because she is a woman. We want a woman in the White House. Stop calling us sheep.

WAAHH- We don't care if Bill was impeached, disbarred or was the only sitting president to actually ask Americans to contribute to his legal defense fund to keep him out of jail.

WAAHH- Hillary is the only real choice. We don't care what the majority of the voters think or if Hillary plays the race or gender card. Scandals, the influence of lobbyists and lies don't bother us. We love Hillary.

WAAHH- We are proud to support Hillary and we don't care if she lied about her role in foreign affairs. She made a difference in Bosnia and Northern Ireland. Photo Ops are important.

WAAHH- We don't care if Hillary flipped on Iraq, water board torture or committed political malpractice by allowing her campaign staff to loot her presidential coffers. Those $100,000 fruit platters were necessary. She can run the country! You go girl!

WAAHH - We are tired of all the positive media attention Obama gets. Hillary is positive. Just those times when she screams, throws the kitchen sink and releases the picture of Obama in native Kenyan clothing were taken out of context.
WAAHH - Obama can't win. We don't care what the polls say. We don't care about the popular vote, states won or delegate count.

WAAHH- Why can't those Obama supporters see just how wonderful our candidate is? After all, Cher indorsed her.

Posted by: pieter.dendecker | March 16, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know of any polls taken that reflect how the American people are taking this Rev. Wright anti-American speeches, and hate speeches? Are the polls static, or changing? gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 16, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Fellow Democrats --

Please, listen.

Its not about Obama's home.

Its about Obama's slums.

If the real Obama was anything like his public image, he'd be a great guy and he'd have my vote.

The problem is that he's nothing like that.

The real Obama is a master manipulator, He has the extreme kind of skill in that area seen in cult leaders like Jim Jones and in serial killers like Jeffrey Dhamer.

Have you watched the video?

If you haven't please do and then come back to this note.

Obama didn't care one bit about the poor people who elected him and lived in the slums he funneled $100M of taxpayer money to his friend and chief campaign contributor Tony Rezko for repairs, and the buildings were never touched.

Obama isn't any good at doing actual work.

He's a big talker. That's all.

He's also incredibly good at manipulating people by telling them what htey want to hear.

I checked him out in detail and the references I got back said don't touch him with a ten foot poll.

The guy is bad news.

Please look at the video and do your own research on the net, starting by googling "Obama lies"

He's a super-salesman master manipulator.

He doesn't deserve your support or your vote.

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Channel 5, Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary Clinton can spin the Texas results into a victory for her anything goes. The newest trick is semantics.

_____________________________

"SEMANTICS"? Next thing is Catholics, right?
Hey, "CUT IT OUT!!!"""

Posted by: harried | March 16, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Here is Hillary's Resume

Hillary Clinton has been telling America that she is the most qualified candidate for president based on her "record," which she says includes
her eight years in the White House as First Lady - or "co-president" - and her seven years in the Senate. Here is a reminder of what that record includes:

- As First Lady, Hillary assumed authority over Health Care Reform, a process that cost the taxpayers over $13 million. She told both Bill
Bradley and Pat Moynahan, key votes needed to pass her legislation, that she would "demonize "anyone who opposed it. But it was opposed; she couldn't even get it to a vote in a Congress controlled by her own party. (And in the next election, her party lost control of both the House and Senate.)

- Hillary assumed authority over selecting a female Attorney General. Her first two recommendations (Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood) were forced to withdraw their names from consideration, and then she chose Janet Reno. Janet Reno has since been described by Bill himself as "my worst
mistake."

- Hillary recommended Lani Guanier for head of the Civil Rights Commission. When Guanier's radical views became known, her name had to
be withdrawn.

- Hillary recommended her former law partners, Web Hubbell, Vince Foster, and William Kennedy for positions in the Justice Department, White House staff, and the Treasury, respectively. Hubbell was later imprisoned, Foster committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.

- Hillary also recommended a close friend of the Clintons, Craig Livingstone, for the position of director of White House security. When
Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of up to 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by
White House staff, both Hillary and her husband denied knowing him. (FBI agent Dennis Sculimbrene Confirmed in a Senate Judiciary Committee in 1996 both the drug use and Hillary's involvement in hiring Livingstone. After that, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office,
after serving seven presidents for over thirty years.)

- In order to open "slots" in the White House for her friends the Harry Thomasons (to whom millions of dollars in travel contracts could be
awarded), Hillary had the entire staff of the White House Travel Office fired; they were reported to the FBI for "gross mismanagement" and their
reputations ruined. After a thirty-month investigation, only one, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime - mixing personal money with White House
funds when he cashed checks. The jury acquitted him in less than two hours.

- Another of Hillary's assumed duties was directing the "bimbo eruption squad" and scandal defense:

---- She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit.
---- She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Ken Starr as Special Prosecutor. After $80 million
dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to Bill lying about and later admitting his affairs.
---- Then they had to settle with Paula Jones after all.
---- And Bill lost his law license for lying to the grand jury.
---- And Bill was impeached by the House.
---- And Hillary almost got herself indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice (she avoided it mostly because she repeated, "I do not recall," "I have no recollection," and "I don't know" 56 times under oath).
- Hillary accepted the traditional First Lady's role of decorator of the White House at Christmas, but in a unique Hillary way. In 1994, for
example, The First Lady's Tree in the Blue Room (the focal point each year) was Decorated with drug paraphernalia, sex toys, and pornographic ornaments, all personally approved by Hillary as the invited artists' depictions of the theme, "The Twelve Days of Christmas."

- Hillary wrote "It Takes a Village," demonstrating her Socialist viewpoint.

- Hillary decided to seek election to the Senate in a state she had never lived in. Her husband pardoned FALN terrorists in order to get Latino support and the New Square Hassidim to get Jewish support. Hillary also had Bill pardon her brother's clients, for a small fee, to get financial support.

- Then Hillary left the White House, but later had to return $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork she had stolen.
- In the campaign for the Senate, Hillary played the "woman card" by portraying her opponent (Lazio) as a bully picking on her.

- Hillary's husband further protected her by asking the National Archives to withhold from the public until 2012 many records of their time in the White House, including much of Hillary's correspondence and her calendars. (There are ongoing lawsuits to force the release of those records.)

- As the junior Senator from New York, Hillary has passed no major legislation. She has deferred to the senior Senator (Schumer) to tend to the needs of New Yorkers, even on the hot issue of medical problems of workers involved in the cleanup of Ground Zero after 9/11.

- Hillary's one notable vote, supporting the plan to invade Iraq, she has since disavowed.

Quite a resume, isn't it? Sounds more like an organized crime family...

Posted by: pieter.dendecker | March 16, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama says that he didn't know about Rev. Wright's inflammatory and anti-American sentiments and speeches.

This information has been available from Google and other places since March, 2007, or longer. We just weren't paying attention. Barack Obama, running for the presidency, obviously was.

Someone should look into the contributions Obama made and the dates of Wright's controversial, anti-American speeches and see if Obama was there. He should make his contributions public. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 16, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

From the Chicago Sun Times:

For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago's South Side.

It was just four years after the landlords -- Antoin "Tony'' Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru -- had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.

Rezko and Mahru couldn't find money to get the heat back on.

But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building....

The building in Englewood was one of 30 Rezmar rehabbed in a series of troubled deals largely financed by taxpayers. Every project ran into financial difficulty. More than half went into foreclosure, a Chicago Sun-Times investigation has found.

"Their buildings were falling apart,'' said a former city official. "They just didn't pay attention to the condition of these buildings.''

Eleven of Rezko's buildings were in Obama's state Senate district....

Rezko and Mahru had no construction experience when they created Rezmar in 1989 to rehabilitate apartments for the poor under the Daley administration. Between 1989 and 1998, Rezmar made deals to rehab 30 buildings, a total of 1,025 apartments. The last 15 buildings involved Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland during Obama's time with the firm.

Rezko and Mahru also managed the buildings, which were supposed to provide homes for poor people for 30 years. Every one of the projects ran into trouble:

* Seventeen buildings -- many beset with code violations, including a lack of heat -- ended up in foreclosure.

* Six buildings are currently boarded up.

* Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.

* Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.

* At least a dozen times, the city of Chicago sued Rezmar for failure to heat buildings.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

WHO'S POSTING ANTI-OBAMA SMEARS?

you may think that it's just a couple of "loonies"....but it's not.

It's an organized campaign.

And it's the same people who campaigned for the war in Iraq (and now Iran)

(their methods, smears; their signature is unmistakable)

It's not a couple of "loonies", instead it's an organized campaign

and the purpose is not (just) to promote Hillary, or McCain...

(either of whom would be fine for them)

The real purpose is to promote WAR

Posted by: kevinlarmee | March 16, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

If you don't want another Republican screw-up for President, you'd better start loving Hillary!!! The Republicans are going to have a field day with Obama, like it or not...............

Posted by: aeaustin | March 16, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

svreader said:

Obama supporters are infantile.

The cover their eyes and ears to keep out information they don't want to hear.

I and other readers have posed links to news reports from Chicago TV and newspapers about Obama's slums.

No matter how much evidence Obana's supporters see, they just cover their eyes and ears and sing "LA LA LA"

The truth is in the public record.

The evidence has been posted over and over.

The truth will be the end of the "cult of Obama"


-I live in Chicago, and I'm one of
those 'infantile' Obama supporters;
I just don't know what 'evidence' you're referring to.

The Chicago media aren't going to cut Obama any breaks, they (for good reason) view elected officials very skeptically here, and they haven't accused him of any wrongdoing.

So, if you have any REAL evidence, not just innuendo, that all of the newspapers, TV stations, investigative reporters, Republican Party and Clinton opposition research teams have overlooked, kindly do everyone a favor and post it.

Or stop your ranting. Thanks.

-Happy To Be Part Of The Cult

Posted by: chuckhampton | March 16, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

In the latest Democratic Primary, Chicago voted 69% for Obama (compared to 29% for Hillary). (that's more than 2 to 1!)

Posted by: kevinlarmee | March 16, 2008 03:34 PM
_________________________

Here's what I got,,OBAMA EARS!@
UP YOUR'S! My Father, "Octave" has blessed ME!!!

Posted by: harried | March 16, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama is trying to distance himself from some of Rev Wright's more contentious remarks.

Yet, when he was looking for a church, Obama chose Trinity church because it was the biggest and it would enhance his political ambitions. He knew Wright's strongly held anti-white, anti-American beliefs over 20 years in attendence but feels he can smooth talk voters out of this problem just like Rezko, his home purchase.... His condescending denials show his contempt for Americans intelligence. Obama expected these attacks during the general election, per the story last year when Wright told Obama he may have to distance himself if Obama wins the primary. They felt it would be easier to defend their relationship against Republicans. He was not ready or prepared to confront these issues from fellow Democrats. Rev Wright is a racist and bigot yet I feel sadness for this man's legacy as Obama stands by and refuses to defend his mentor, and spiritual advisor. If Obama's blind ambition allows him to throw Wright under the bus, what harm could he do to our America?

Voters in the remaining primaries starting with PA will have the opportunity to send Obama back to Chicago!

Posted by: Skinsfan1978 | March 16, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

The Obama campaign can try, but everywhere he goes...there will always be an 800 pound elephant in the room with him. The MSM will not be able to ignore the Wright connection. There's a story on the ABC website about how people are inidating their local stations with phone calls as to why the story is not reported.
No that this video is all over the Internet, if he doesn't loose PA by double digits...I will be shocked.
One more thing...his national poll numbers dropped by 8 points since Friday which is AWV (After Wright Video)

Posted by: badger3 | March 16, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama uses his "I'm above politics as usual" slogan as a way to supress any examination of his record or criticism of it.

Its not going to work.

It may stop Democrats.

It won't stop Republicans, and it will lead to our defeat, if we Democrats make the fatal mistake of nominating Chicago Barry Obama.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Remember, you are judged by the company you keep...Rezko, Obama, Wright...

With all this, how can anyone with any sense vote for this guy?

If he wins PA, shame on the Pennsylvanians who vote for him, and God help us all.

Posted by: Lazarus2010 | March 16, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

The dirty-little-secret is that the old Democratic Party establishment (the DLC types) has had its own version of the "southern strategy". In their case it is not geographically defined. They call it "swing states". Governor Edward Rendell of Pennsylvania let the cat out, when he suggested that poor rural whites (my rendition) would not vote for Senator Obama because of his color.

To make sure just in case the message was not received clearly, Geraldine Ferraro, yes the very Ms Ferraro, the Democratic Party VIP candidate, drew it in stark ugly colors.

Whether rural whites in Pennsylvania would or would not hold Mr. Obama's color against him is probably too general and gross stereotyping not worth dwelling on. But I hope they disappoint the Party old guards and hand the victory to Mr. Obama and shine light on the conceit of these people.

Posted by: nm2pluto | March 16, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Barack HUSSEIN Obama has won!

(get used to it)

He's won!

(do I have to repeat myself?)

HE'S WON !!

Posted by: kevinlarmee | March 16, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

We live in the greatest country this old planet has even known. But, each of us experiences the nation in different ways.

Sometimes it is shocking for us to be reminded that everyone in this country does not share our views of its great strengths and its several serious weaknesses. Some of us would rather forget the inequities and injustices that persist in the greatest nation on earth.

Despite that naïveté, we are well on our way toward electing an American who will lead us toward the high ground of honesty and a post-racial society.

It is unfortunate that Barack Obama's pastor and friend, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, still has within him the anger and intolerance born during years of civil rights struggles and injustice. We pray that he will see someday that his is a generational bias that must give way to a new America.

That he still sees injustice in America should not shock us. Rev. Wright knows that under apartheid in 1993, South Africa imprisoned 851 black males per 100,000 citizens - while in this country in 2006 the ratio is 4,789 black males imprisoned per 100,000 Americans.

Facts like these prison population numbers tend to outrage some deeply committed African-American preachers - especially a man like Rev. Wright who himself defended his country for 6 years as a U.S. Marine and U.S. Navy enlisted man. He fought for his country and now he sees continued injustice. There is no doubt that Rev. Wright feels righteous when his anger takes hold.

But that anger does not show the way to a better place. And, his remarks do not reflect the views of his entire 6,000+ member congregation in Chicago.

Obama says quite humbly that his friend, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright was the person who brought Jesus strongly into his life. He did not bring hate to Obama.

I take him at his word. There is no reason not to. Many of us have sat for many years in church and have not followed the specific teachings or fiery sermons that we've heard -- there are other forces in our lives that teach us other ways. Preachers may make us think - but they do not control our lives.

Do they?

Sometimes the wisdom of the older generation - isn't wisdom at all. It does not fit the changing times - Obama's never embraced Wright's angry message - his whole public career is testimony to a different path. He may love the old man - but he has clearly rejected his message.

Obama has moved onto a different road. I'm with him. It is time for a post-racial America.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | March 16, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Something to keep in mind right now people.

An running aggregate average of the polls has Pbama behnd McCain, but Hillary equal.With a Republican't nominee, the independents are weighing in.

And they aren't weighing in Obama's favour. Republcians who will vote for Obama but no McCain are apparently not as large a number as earlier supposed.

Which doesn't surprise me really.

And much to my surprise, I HAVE been running into WHITE MIDDLE CLASS MALES who will vote for Hillary, but not Obama. If Obama gets the nomination they will vote for McCain.

It really is based on their perception that we have had enough of the 'good meassage talkers' like Bush, and we have to have someone cold, hard, and very experienced in domestic and international stage.

Like it or not, Hillary IS known globally by many other leaders.

Posted by: TortFeaser | March 16, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Poster 3:12 "He was mentored by this nazi for 20 years"
Were you asleep during history class? Do you know what a Nazi actually is and was? Let me to tell it was a political party that used fascism and the attempted extermination of the Jewish people to destroy Europe and the world.
Rev. Wrights comments are a bit off but not anyway near to that of being a Nazi. But then again his experience as an older black man in America could make him a bit angry. But I guess you sleep through that history lesson as well. I love it when white people try to make themselves out to be victims of racism

Posted by: kvh1975 | March 16, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

kevinlarmee, I don't think you should be concerned with the rants of svreader. I remember the guy saying the same things on youtube before deciding the Washington Post would be a better outlet for his weird mission.

Posted by: FairyTale1 | March 16, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

In the latest Democratic Primary, Chicago voted 69% for Obama (compared to 29% for Hillary). (that's more than 2 to 1!)

Posted by: kevinlarmee | March 16, 2008 03:34 PM
_________________________

Here's what I got,,OBAMA EARS!@
UP YOUR'S! My Father, "Octave" has blessed ME!!!

Posted by: harried | March 16, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

kevin --

Obama is a very good politician, but a lousy human being.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

In the latest Democratic Primary Illinois voted for Obama 65% (compared to 33% for Hillary)

(one point shy of 2 to 1)

Posted by: kevinlarmee | March 16, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

We all know what the pastor said is disgraceful, but to try and use this to cause division between Obama and his potential white support is an absolute disgrace. The media in my opinion hasn't sunk any lower in a long time.

Posted by: lumi21us | March 16, 2008 03:26 PM
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This situation is what it is. Obama looking in the mirror and having to decide if he is "black enough," as the media used to say.

Obama either needs to align himself with Rev. Wright, and Rezko, and Auchi, and Ayers, and Illinois President of the Senate, Jones, and the racism of the 90% of AA's who are following Obama's racist lead, or he needs to quit playing the race card, and the "divide and conquer" - Chicago style "election fixing" techniques and speak to all of the American people.

This "unity" card that Obama talks about frequently, and the "Change," and "Hope," rhetoric he took from Bill Clinton's Presidential campaign, doesn't seem like it is working for Obama.

As Dr. Phil sometimes says to others, I say to Obama, "How is this race card and Chicago style corruption theory working out for you?"

You should have been true to your mother's philosophies, Barack, she was an international lady, very intelligent and smart. She would not approve of your shady/murky associations in Chicago.

I know, I am a mom. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 16, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Do Obama supporters and his campaign really believe that by ongoing bashing/personal targeting of Hillary that the voters will forget Obama's long-term relationship with an anti-semitic preacher? Or that the Rezko trial is in progress? All this occurring in the same time frame of Obama lying about existence of the NAFTA meeting between the Obama campaign and the Canadian government. ALERT: These are Obama's blunders and has nothing to do with Hillary.

Meanwhile, Hillary is moving on talking about the primary issue of THE ECONOMY (where Bush/McCain are weak) whereas Obama is still trying to downplay his really big and current personal problems.

Posted by: nickyle | March 16, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

It is very important for Obama to be able to spin a PA result, so he needs to think hard about his strategy. After all, his whole campaign is a matter of spin.

Let us see, this man with barely 2 years into the senate is the most qualified person to be the president. He is the patron saint of hope, so seeing him and listening to him, the red and blue of us will forget our differences and come together in an embrace. He speaks different things to different audiences, Ohio and Canada, South Carolina and Iowa, but that is all fine. He listened to his pastor for 20 years, but never knew that man had a racist bone in his body.

These are just a "few" example; Obama and his cult members can spin any thing. The latest is that he won TX, never mind that voters already voted in the primary for HRC. What matters is that a few of them stayed behind for the 2nd time, and their votes acount for more than the state already said in the day time. Perhaps they can have a 3rd caucus in TX, where they allocate three times as many delegates as in the primary, but the entry to the 3rd caucus in TX is limited only to African Americans who voted for Obama earlier in the day, and the cult members who have posted at least 10 posts in praise of Obama on WaPo. Then, the Obama cult zombies can finally claim that Obama has won the will of the people.

Posted by: intcamd1 | March 16, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

In the latest Democratic Primary, Chicago voted 69% for Obama (compared to 29% for Hillary). (that's more than 2 to 1!)

Posted by: kevinlarmee | March 16, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Look, this is Gonna Go Mamma or PaPa! I'm on Mamma's Side!!!

Posted by: harried | March 16, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters arrogantly claim that only they can bring "change"

Their claim is so childish it's infantile.

Every candidate running for President will bring "change"

The question is, what kind of "change" would each candiate bring?

What kind of "change" do they care about?

Barak Obama has shown himself to be completely without any concern for the poorest of the poor who voted for him and elected him in Chicago.

Obama let the very same people who elected him and trusted him rot in unheated slums.

Is that the kind of man we want as President of the United States of America?

There is only one possible answer.

The answer is NO.

Say NO to Obama's empty hype and cruel treatment of the poorest of the poor.

Say NO to Barry Obama.

Lots of people in Chicago wish they had.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton campaign must be given credit for setting the expectations game so that the focus now is on PA only. Yet Indiana and north carolina come shortly afterwards with huge delegate numbers comparable to Pennsylvania. He stands to win at least 6 of the upcoming races by bigger margins than Clinton will win hers.

Pennsylvania will be much closer than people thin nullifying any popular vote win with a close gelegate result overturning any advantage as occurred in Texas where reults show he actually won more delegates.

Hillary is attempting to steal this election by imposing HER criteria of popular votes from Big states equal s a Dem victory in the fall. Yet she is losing ground in the superdelegate race in addition to the pledged delegates a story that is greatly underreported!!!

Posted by: rpmorales | March 16, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama let the people who voted him into office freeze to death in the slums in his district and did nothing about it.

Obama had funneled $100M to his friend and campaign contributor Rezko to repair them, the work was never done, and Obama never followed up on the contracts as he was required to do.

After Obama got to the US senate, he still did nothing about the slums in his old district, or the rest of Chicago.

That's the REAL BARRY OBAMA!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

If the Clinton shenanigans suceed in stealing the nomination from Obama, he should change parties and volunteer to run as McCain's v.p.

How come there's no rumors flying around out there about Barack being a Hebrew name? It means 'lightning' in Hebrew and is a fairly common first name in Israel.

Posted by: spw | March 16, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Obama has earned the confidence of 9 of Edwards delegates in Iowa on Saturday (and Clinton has lost one), and has won two new superdelegates this weekend (as reported by RCP) shows that the party is not particularly impressed by the Wright's controversy. This story has being going for some time. The only new thing is the fact that video images have appeared. And Obama has fully distanced himself from them. Relative to the issue of Republican attacks, let's not forget that a recent poll established that 13% of Americans thought Obama was a Muslim. The pastor's controversy might even help reduce that number. The fact is that Republicans will make this kind of attack anyway, and it does not matter to them whether they are lying or not, so the pastor's controversy makes no difference.

Posted by: FairyTale1 | March 16, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

ANTI-OBAMA SMEAR MANIFESTO:

START BY SAYING THAT YOU ARE:

a. an Obama Supporter
b. a patriotic American

THEN INCLUDE THE "SMEAR DU JOUR"

MOST IMPORTANT:

KEEP REPEATING IT OVER AND OVER ! ! !

(be sure to keep changing your name)

MOST IMPORTANT !

never say that you support BOTH McCain and Clinton

BECAUSE YOU WANT WAR !

Posted by: kevinlarmee | March 16, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama lied repeatedly about his connection with Rezko.

Obama let the poorest of the poor, who depended on him to protect them, suffer and die in horrible slums.

Obama is a racist, and attends a racist church.

Obama is a slick and slimy a chicago politician as anybody could imagine.

Obama is a fraud.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

The article states:

Obama is running radio ads in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia to urge students, independents and Republicans -- three key constituencies to keep the race close -- to register as Democrats before the deadline.
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Now, why would students, independents and Republicans want to register as Democrats before the deadline?

A. Because the Independents and Republicans and students who are for McCain know that Obama will be easier to defeat come November during the General Election.

They know this is a Democrat primary, and the only way they can cause mischief and skew the primary in Pennsylvania is to register as Democrats and vote against Hillary now and then re-register as Republicans, etc., in the fall and vote for McCain.

Who is Obama helping with his core value of "fixing" this election? McCain, of course, so Democrats need to get out in very large numbers during the primary to defeat McCain in the fall. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 16, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

There are forces in the media and political opponents of Obama who are so angry that white people are voting for a black candidate that they see this pastor Wright story as a way to hope white people would stop voting for him. This is the most shameful and despicable witch hunt I've seen in this country in a long time. We all know what the pastor said is disgraceful, but to try and use this to cause division between Obama and his potential white support is an absolute disgrace. The media in my opinion hasn't sunk any lower in a long time.

Posted by: lumi21us | March 16, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

From the Chicago Sun Times:

For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago's South Side.

It was just four years after the landlords -- Antoin "Tony'' Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru -- had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.

Rezko and Mahru couldn't find money to get the heat back on.

But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building....

The building in Englewood was one of 30 Rezmar rehabbed in a series of troubled deals largely financed by taxpayers. Every project ran into financial difficulty. More than half went into foreclosure, a Chicago Sun-Times investigation has found.

"Their buildings were falling apart,'' said a former city official. "They just didn't pay attention to the condition of these buildings.''

Eleven of Rezko's buildings were in Obama's state Senate district....

Rezko and Mahru had no construction experience when they created Rezmar in 1989 to rehabilitate apartments for the poor under the Daley administration. Between 1989 and 1998, Rezmar made deals to rehab 30 buildings, a total of 1,025 apartments. The last 15 buildings involved Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland during Obama's time with the firm.

Rezko and Mahru also managed the buildings, which were supposed to provide homes for poor people for 30 years. Every one of the projects ran into trouble:

* Seventeen buildings -- many beset with code violations, including a lack of heat -- ended up in foreclosure.

* Six buildings are currently boarded up.

* Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.

* Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.

* At least a dozen times, the city of Chicago sued Rezmar for failure to heat buildings.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Why on earth would he cede Pennsylvania?

As Tracy Morgan said on SNL when asking what qualifies Hillary to be President:

"If Hillary's last name wasn't Clinton she'd be some crazy white lady with too much money and not enough love'n. That's where I come in. I know women like that and you do not want them on the phone at 3 in the morning."

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/play.shtml?mea=229454

Go Barak go!

Posted by: ac11 | March 16, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

to svreader: A lonely brain cell longs for a friend - could you lend me yours ?

Posted by: ratl | March 16, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

"Pa. Could Be Tricky for Obama" The WP Ombudsman should be looking at the online editors who make decisions on what gos on the WP home page. There is a negative Obama headline every couple of days for as long as I can remember.

Posted by: c_Jey | March 16, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama may denounce, discard, or even burn in a bonfire the hate rhetoric tailored by Rev Jeremiah Wright, the acknowledged spiritual guide of Mr. Obama, like some old clothes that do not serve his purpose any longer, but he cannot alter, hide, or erase the fact that he had worn the undergarment for 20 years in apparent comfort until the world finally noticed it.

As Mr. Obama's lofty rhetoric of racial harmony and unity begins to crumble into the shape of a rhetorical artifice to snare the naïve and the gullible to propel him into the job of his lifelong ambition, we find the man of "change" listening surreptitiously to the sound of a different drum--a thundering sound of hate and discord, far removed from the call for racial harmony and unity. We must then ask ourselves, in spite of Mr. Obama's vehement and categorical castigation of "some" of the Rev Wright's hate speech, if the man who has been inhaling such noxious and corrosive fumes for the past 20 years can be cleansed in short order to be entrusted the highest office in the land, nay, the world.

Let us be realistic of one thing: the issue of Mr. Obama's 20-year association with Rev. Wright, whose toxic brew of inflammatory, anti-American, anti-white tirade has been well known for a couple decades (but oddly not to Mr. Obama by his own account), may abate, but it will not go away and is sure to return with force and fury that will sink a swift ocean liner.

Indeed, it is likely to become the most heated singular issue that would beset Mr. Obama challenging his patriotism if he were the Democratic nominee opposing John McCain, a man of impeccable patriotism. The appeal to the American people to stick to the "issues," the Obama camp's trump card, will not do since patriotism is an immensely important issue to most Americans. Worse, as he tries to extricate himself from this fatal error of association, the extrication itself will beget more elaborate and equally dubious explanations, thus damaging his credibility further.

Realistically, one cannot credibly argue, even if he is a top-notch lawyer like Barack Obama, to be a member of a church, located a short driving distance away from where he lived for most of the 20 years he had been a member, actively assisting its proselytizing efforts with large financial contributions (to the tune of $22,500 in 2006 alone), by professing not to know what the church's pastor had been saying much of the time, unless Mr. Obama claims that Rev Wright customized his sermons on the days Mr. Obama was in attendance ("Oh, Barack is in the pews, I'd better not give out this brew today"). Otherwise, this is outright fraud, or to be more charitable, an attempt at such; an attempt no less phony than a man who lived next to an active railroad track for 20 years claiming to have heard no trains passing by. The guilt by association? Absolutely; the trains went by him every day.

The truth of the matter is that Mr. Obama himself calls Rev Wright "crazy uncle," indicating his knowledge of the pastor Jeremiah's "crazy," lunatic preaching, yet, in spite of his claim to a superior capacity for judgment fit for a US president, he failed to foresee the danger of being anywhere near an anti-American lunatic asylum, much less supporting it with contributions, knowing fully well that the director of the asylum was a lunatic himself. Poor judgment does not even begin to explain Mr. Obama's inexcusable failure of 20 years to uphold American ideals in deed that he is so well disposed in word; and if that were to be his explanation then the fact of it would disqualify him to be the next president of the US.

It ought to be clear, in spite of Obama supporters' attempts to control the damage, that Mr. Obama's credibility has been irreparably harmed, not merely by his association with Rev Wright but through his questionable attempts at extrication, as he cannot convincingly erase his 20 years of commitment to an organization whose propositions are clearly at odds with Mr. Obama's claims of what America should be with an abrupt public denunciation that was forced upon him by public outrage--hardly a sign of a scrupulous mind.

The anti-Americanism of Mr. Obama's mentor, Jeremiah Wright, possesses a potent power that will surely undermine Obama candidacy in the general election. Thus, the concerned Americans, particularly the Democrats, are urged to press Mr. Obama to withdraw his candidacy from the Democratic presidential nomination race as his candidacy has been fatally compromised, far more so than John Kerry's ill-fated 2004 presidential bid. If he were a white candidate who had kept a membership in a white church equally obsessed with racial consciousness and acrimony as Mr. Obama's church, he would have certainly been asked to withdraw. Failing such, the Democrats will ensure another defeat at a presidential election. Mr. Obama must go.

Posted by: GeorgePS | March 16, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Either side can spin all they want about a win or a loss. At the end of the day there is almost no chance that Hillary can win Pennsylvania by a large enough margin to take back the delegate or popular vote lead.

All Obama has to do is keep from getting blown out, which should be fairly easily considering that Hillary has not beat him by 20 points in any primary. Even then, a 20 point victory won't be enough, she'll need more like 30 point victories in these last few primaries.

Posted by: eine1 | March 16, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Obama's association with Rev. Wright was not a passing photo-op 10 years ago. He was mentored by this nazi for 20 years. Obama should drop out of the presidential race.

Posted by: pgr88 | March 16, 2008 03:12 PM

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Completely agree. Otherwise, Obama is going to break up the Democratic party. Obama has not chance of winning in the general election now. He is completely unelectable.

Posted by: vishalg_99 | March 16, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are trying to present things as if nothing happened last week.

Everything has changed last week.
Obama-Whrite issue made his chances null.

Just wait till tomorrow. The weekend was taken by all for thinking over the situation.

We can expect: un-pledging super delegates, more clear position of Hovard Dean on Michigan and Florida re-vote and many other things.

Obama - for better or worse - is done.

Posted by: vanitsky | March 16, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Forget everything else, just Obama's convoluted statements about this incident will fatally damage him. Where do you start? For one ... friday with Andersen Cooper...

--------------------------------------COOPER: I mean, you may not have been there, but have you -- you must have heard that he had said these things.

OBAMA: You know, I confess that I did not hear about this until -- until I started running for president.
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Okay. Well, earlier this month, he said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial."

Huh?

So he was effectively saying that he has heard these statements but he doesn't think they are particularly controversial.

Hmm.

But then he just said they are incredibly appalling.

Bummer!

To quote someone else: There is NO WAY Obama can survive the Republican ads running day and night showing a montage of all the different ways this Pastor has denounced America and Europeans and Israel, punctuated by Obama in his own words "I don't think actually that my church is particularly controversial".

Obama is finished. He is finished for having a radical spiritual advisor (for 20 years) who is anti-American. But more than that he is finished for having lied about it.

Posted by: vishalg_99 | March 16, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama's voters in his Chicago Slums depended on him to look out for them.

Obama did nothing.

That says everything.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

istatale:

Its always so funny to hear people like you screach about gun ownership rights.

WHO WAS IN NEW ORLEANS confiscating guns after Katrina?

Not the police.

Blackwater. The pride and joy of the GOP.

Hillary Clinton isn't going to take your gun away. I would have to look at the legislation to understand why she voted the way she did, but she isn;t going to spend a lot of time focusing on gun ownershipo. She is going to focus on the economomy, like her husband did.

Ansd WOW, what an economy we had.

I like Obama, and I will vote for either should they get the nomination, but frankly, I don;t think Obama has quite the 'steel' at this point to dig in like he is going to have to to deal with the entrenched powers.

Hillary has that steel, and she has no problems playing hardball. The is tenacious, and thats what it is going to take.

Posted by: TortFeaser | March 16, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Mr. RAT-the -- I'm sure that the country will nominate Obama.

Then what will you do?

Do you propose a vote for - McCain?

With the economy nose diving into a recession and the war continuing to suck $9-10 BILLION per month out of the treasury... the old warrior is doomed.

Think about it:

* He's thrown himself on the "grenade" by following an extremely unpopular same-party President who drqagged our country into an unwinnable "war,"

Furthermore, McCain faces

* a continuing unsolved worldwide terrorist quagmire,

* foreign affairs failures from Turkestan to Darfur, Tehran to Caracas and the Gaza to Kabul.

* Further, a collapsing housing market,

* a battered credit market and a dollar worth half of what it commanded ten years ago.

* The Conservatives are in total disarray - fiscal conservatives absolutely hating the incredible spending spree that the Dunce in D.C. has foisted on his party,

while the social conservatives cannot stand the gentleman from Arizona.

* The neo-cons are totally disgraced and have slunk off to hide in the shadows of think tanks and FOX news and,

* this country is sliding into a financial sinkhole just before a credit crunch tsunami.

Add to these obvious problems, Mr. RAT-The, we have witnessed for months that Americans are getting up off their "couches" and trooping to the polls in record numbers - in nearly every state by 2 to 1 (or greater) margins for the Democrats.

Further, every time we turn around, another Republican seat is either lost or put in significant jeopardy.

Across the nation, county, state and national Democratic nominees are calling for Obama to be the National standard bearer - because they see his capacity to energize hundreds of thousands of new voters (who are going to the polls) and "recovered" voters who for the first time in recent history are standing up and demanding the immediate end to the total debacle that the Dunce in D.C. has dealt our country.

As one current Republican Congressman has stated, (quoted today in the WaPo) the problem is the BUSH legacy:

"It's no mystery," said Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.). "You have a very unhappy electorate, which is no surprise, with oil at $108 a barrel, stocks down a few thousand points, a war in Iraq with no end in sight and a president who is still very, very unpopular. He's just killed the Republican brand."

So, Mr. Rat - the, I think you are doing a great job, cheerleading for Obama. I believe that you are going to get your wish.

:~)

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | March 16, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"But if the Illinois senator campaigns hard there and Clinton still wins handily, a loss could be tougher to spin."

Why would they need to spin a loss? no one expects them to win so why would they need to spin a loss?

Posted by: c_Jey | March 16, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

The stricter participation rules (register by March 24) may end up revealing just how big a per cent of HRC's votes in Ohio, Texas, and even Mississippi came from Limbaigh's Legion of Republican crossover sabotage voters.

Posted by: wcain1 | March 16, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I live in PA. There is so much support for Hillary in my area that I'm convinced the only chance Obama has of winning is if Hell freezes over.

Posted by: Tirade1 | March 16, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Something to keep in mind about rural Pennsylvania.

1. Senator Obama supports Pennsylvania sportmen. His position on hunting is in a fact sheet here:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/additional/Obama_FactSheet_Western_Sportsmen.pdf

2. Senator Obama has a plan for rural America. Which is here:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/rural/

3. Meanwhile Hillary Clinton and Ed Rendell want to take your guns. The Prohibition On Confiscation of Firearms law was signed into law October 4, 2006. It prohibits the confiscaton of a firearm during an emergency or major disaster where the possession of such firearm is not prohibited under Federal or State law. In other words the police or federal agencies can't just take your guns citing and emergency as long as you aren't violating any other laws related to gun ownership.

Barack Obama voted for this law, guaranteeing the right to bear and Hillary Clinton voted against. Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton's number 2 in Pennsylvania, Governor Ed Rendell, has been trying to push through gun control legislation in the Commonwealth legislature. No doubt about it, Hillary Clinton wants to take guns from law-abiding Pennsylvania voters and Barack Obama will support your right to hunt and bear arms.

Posted by: itsatest | March 16, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

wcain1, I do not believe that the Limbaugh effect was the only component for the Republican vote for Clinton. I think that being white and living in Southern states had also something to do with it.

Posted by: FairyTale1 | March 16, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

With the voters clamoring for a competent and rational president to guide the country out of this economic disaster, it should be a cinch for the Democrats to defeat McCain and the Republicans this year. Unfortunately, by placing Obama at the top of the ticket, the Democrats could easily snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, once again. The Jeremiah Wright fiasco demonstrates that nominating Obama is a hugely risky gamble.

Hillary bashers so desperately want to destroy her that they seem willfully ignorant of Obama's disturbing shortcomings as a national candidate. Obviously, he is very eloquent and elegant and admirable. However, we really do not know how Obama would endure the crucible of the Republican slime machine. So far, based on his handling of Wright, the evidence is not encouraging to Democrats like me. Moreover, Clinton's strategists are absolutely correct in asserting that if Obama cannot persuade the "Reagan/Bush Democrats" in states like Ohio and Pennsylvania to join his coalition, he simply cannot attain 270 electoral votes in November. Again, so far, Hillary appears to be a better match-up against McCain. If Obama is so much more electable, as his supporters claim, then he should prove it by defeating Hillary in the Pennsylvania primary. If he cannot do so, the super-delegates have good reason to doubt his ability to defeat McCain.

Part of Obama's problem vis-a-vis white/Latino working-class voters might be that he comes off as patrician and elitist. And I'm not sure how much of this has to do with his own personal qualities, and how much it has to do with the frankly disingenuous nature of his leftist intellectual supporters, who would have us believe that Obama's vision of a unified post-partisan political world that appeals to peoples' better natures is a real one, even as they rail about Hillary, Republicans, Christians, etc. in the most divisive way possible. Obama's supporters in the online/blogging community could be Exhibit A in the case against his own vision for the presidency.

The first thing I would ask Obama's supporters to do is look into their own hearts and tell me if they think they can work with Republicans, fundamentalist Christians, pro-war Democrats, even Hillary Clinton herself, in a spirit of compromise once Obama is elected. Or better yet, if Clinton actually manages to secure the Democratic nomination, do they think they can set their bitterness aside and support her for the sake of unity and constructiveness in solving the nation's problems? If not, why do they think the rest of us should swallow this idealistic vision of American politics? If not even Obama's own supporters can walk the walk that he is talking, how do they expect the rest of us to do so? And if they CAN walk the walk, then how about demonstrating it right now with a moratorium on the vitriol that they continue to heap on Hillary?

I believe that politics is a battle, with major forces of personal interest locked in a high-stakes struggle for hegemony. I like being vocal and opinionated and confrontational. I suspect that people on the right feel the same. I recognize that this is a fundamental part of human nature, and our system of government is set up with checks and balances to keep all these forces in proportion with each other. This is why our system works. This is actually why I have supported Hillary from the beginning, because she is an expert political practitioner within this divisive system as it presently and actually exists. Though even I occasionally wince at some of her tactics, I refuse to hold against her the very quality for which I originally embraced her, namely her willingness to fight tooth and claw to win the nomination. This is what I would expect her to do against the Republicans in the fall, so it doesn't surprise me that she would employ the same rationale to win the nomination. This is why so many of her supporters refuse to abandon her even when things get uncomfortable, which is undoubtedly maddening to Obama's supporters: because this fighting spirit she demonstrates is not in contradiction to how her supporters have always perceived her, and they long ago made up their minds that this was a strength of hers and not a weakness.

I think if many of Obama's supporters were being honest with themselves, they would admit that they employ the same degree of ruthlessness in defense of their own ideals. However, there's still this dubious concept they're trying to sell me: Obama's Post-Partisan Political Unification.

Posted by: harlemboy | March 16, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama's association with Rev. Wright was not a passing photo-op 10 years ago. He was mentored by this nazi for 20 years. Obama should drop out of the presidential race.

Posted by: pgr88 | March 16, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

we learned this week that Obama is a racist, attends a racist church , and is a FORCE OF DIVISION.
he ought to apologize and withdrawl

Posted by: newagent99 | March 16, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

The stricter participation rules (register by March 24) may end up revealing just how big a per cent of HRC's votes in Ohio, Texas, and even Mississippi came from Limbaigh's Legion of Republican crossover sabotage voters.

Posted by: wcain1 | March 16, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

everything will be complicated for here on out because of obama's close relationship with a racist. you have to be an absolute idiot to believe obama never knew this guy talked like we see on thetapes of his church. sure looks like everybody in the background believes it.

Posted by: 12thgenamerican | March 16, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama let the people who voted him into office freeze to death in the slums in his discrict and did nothing about it.

Obama had funneled $100M to his friend and campaign contributor Rezko to repair them, the work was never done, and Obama never followed up on the contract as he was required to do.

After Obama got to the US senate, he still did nothing about the slums in his old district, or the rest of Chicago.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Obama is a good looking man, his speeches are electrifying but the bottom line is can he be a president???? the answers is NO, NO, NO, NO. He is just all talk has no experience in anything and in the least he will be helping people who are in need like the ones in Chicago... GO HILLARY

Posted by: africanqueen2020 | March 16, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

this is not complicated, the larger states that clinton has won are the ones w/ large democratic machines, and as a legacy establishment candidate she has built in advantages. but, any state that has a level playing field has gone to obama. the states the clinton prevailed in were won by the local democratic machines, not by her poor and negative campaign. and know she has no chance to catch obama in delegates and dire chances to catch him in popular vote, even with FL and MI. today speaker nancy pelosi said delegates will determine the nomination. and she arguably has the most sway with the remaining super-delegates as the speaker. the clinton camp at this point is strictly gratuitous.

Posted by: jacade | March 16, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

The last bastion of racism was the minority regime of Pieter Botha in South Africa.

Remnants of racist attitudes keep popping up here and there.

But the United States is, for all practical purposes, a multi-racial society in which people of all races, indeed, from almost all countries in the world, as immigrant-workers or as permanent residents or as citizens work together in peace to great synergy, productivity and profit in an open society without fear or favor.

We need to move ourselves forward into light from darkness.

I never found anybody or any group in the US benefiting largely because he, she or they belonged to a particular race or group. Allegations of incidents of favoritism or nepotism based on racist considerations have been sketchy and in many cases devoid of substance when analyzed or reviewed from a more holistic context.

We, as an open society, have to get over our hiccups from the past and vote pluralistically so that our institutions become more open, pluralistic and democratic - the United States is the melting pot of change towards openness, progress and high growth. Let us re-check ourselves as we move into the future, increasingly without fear, favor or fervor so that we are truly a country of the best and the brightest. Let us be the beacon or the light-house leading the world by example towards democracy, peace, equality, justice and fraternity. I am sure that every right thinking, progressive and sagaciocus American is with me in the matter. So let it be with Pennsylvania.

Posted by: mdsubramonia | March 16, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Sure both campaigns use spin (one more than the other, in my view), but it is for the media to be able to see through it and objectively characterise it, instead of falling for it as bees to the honey. I am amazed how many times the media has responded to contests in a childish way. It seems that if you fight and you lose, you are a loser, while if you don't fight and you lose, you are fine. What the specific cicumstances of each race were seems to take a secondary importance to the victory or defeat itself. It feels as if the media were treating the contests as if they were football matches.

Posted by: FairyTale1 | March 16, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Edwards or Biden would be fine by me.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what Clinton supporters are thinking when they get all lathered up over the "sins" of Obama. Have they actually taken a look at their own candidate? The one who has made millions since leaving the White House but won't let the voters know until "after the primaries" where the money came from? The one that has led this country - yes, she was one of the chief Democratic Party cheerleaders - into what Stiglitz estimates is a $3 trillion war. She did it so she could prove her "commander in chief" bonafides. We don't need her experience. Obama's not perfect, as we are discovering, but his judgment is by far the best of the three alternatives.

Posted by: johnsonc2 | March 16, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Pennsylvania is all about the MARGIN of Clinton's win. The calendar is being kind to her. Obama can't ignore Pennsylvania. The media has nothing else to talk about for the next month (yikes). I agree the assessment of Obama's folks..keeping a loss under 10 pts is not so bad. However, Clinton could easily win this by 15+. This is going to be fascinating, folks.

Posted by: jamesclicktr | March 16, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

What about Obama's friendship with Rev. Jeremiah Wright? I'm not comfortable with the long-term closeness there. I also find it implausible that Obama is trying to tell us that he had no idea that Wright is the kind of guy he is. I mean, Wright tells his congregation to say, "God damn America," and we're to believe that just slipped out by accident? That is a strong statement, and people like that harp on it, on and on. That's how they are. I think Obama well knew about Wright's attitude.

Posted by: slowmusketeer | March 16, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

"But if the Illinois senator campaigns hard there and Clinton still wins handily, a loss could be tougher to spin.....Or not, depending on how you qualify handily.

Considering that he lost some states by a rather smaller margin than it was initially predicted, this sound to me like an advanced spin to play down his comebacks and victories, and make the most of Clinton's anaemic margins and sporadic vitories.

All in all, this is just getting rather tedious; people's choice boils down to:

A soldier who will follow orders;

a bureaucrat with a penchant for underhand tactics, or;

a natural leader who promotes active citizenship and teamwork.

Anything else is a just distraction.

Posted by: piul05 | March 16, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

SVReader:

And your point is what?

That a sleezy guy gave money to Obama's campaign when he was a state senator?

Let's talk about Norman Hsu who was sent to prison three months ago for illegal fund raising for Hilary and Bill Clinton's campaigns. There's real sleeze for you--the Clinton's directly taking illegal campaign funds. Where's the outrage about that?

Is there anything in the Sun Times article that says Obama was a partner in these apartments? No.

Is there anything in the Sun Times article that says that Obama knew about the apartments, or even knew that Rezko owned buildings? No.

Are you saying Obama is guilty of sleeze-by-association because one of his clients was a sleezebag?

Posting comments like this on the Washington Post site are a great example of how the Clinton campaign resorts to anything---absolutely anything--to tear down an opponent and to get elected. I expect Davis and Wolfson to bark the same song on tomorrow's conference call.

Hope you feel good about yourself, campaigning this way. Must make you guys feel like winners.

Posted by: rohnjay | March 16, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Influenced by the paragon of truth and virtue to whom she is married, Hillary stepped across the line of good judgment and common sense and has suffered a wound fatal to her Presidential aspirations over five years ago. Yes - 5 years ago!

Why? How?

Hillary Clinton's YES vote on October 10, 2002, to authorize H. J. Res. 114 [107th]: Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq aided and abetted George W. Bush in his frontal assault on the U.S. Constitution when she agreed to authorize him to invade Iraq.

"Our Constitution expressly PROHIBITS an unprovoked and pre-emptive war against any nation in the world. It also prohibits the Congress from delegating the authority to declare a war to the President of the United States. This is one of the major pillars of the separation of powers."

Furthermore - Senator Clinton voted to give President Bush the authority to go to war - AFTER - she discussed with senior Democratic colleagues the likelihood that he would take the authorization and use it to cover an invasion. Indeed just ten (10) hours before her YES vote on the authorization resolution, she voted NO on the Levin amendment which would have mandated Bush to work through the United Nations (without subjugating our armed forces to UN leadership). Hillary voted against a majority of Democrats in both cases.

Since then, in increasingly clumsy attempts to re-write history, she claims that all she did was to authorize an invasion if all other diplomatic negotiations failed. Despite the weasel words in her floor speech that day, her assertion is not compelling. In this explanation she is once again standing with her finger in the wind trying to position herself for a general election.

To most American, it is better that she stands for her vote - or admits she was wrong - but again, as we all saw in the televised (one on one) L.A. debate, she refused once more to choose on which side of the issue she stands....

She spent over 6 minutes in that debate flip-flopping around on stage in embarrassing fashion simply trying to explain HER war authorization vote. She never did. Finally the moderator had to ask was she "duped by the dope." No, she said, adamantly.

Okay, then WHY did she vote FOR the WAR?

She knew the Democrats would not carry the issue...and a No vote would have cemented her in opposition to the stupid war. It would not have affected the vote outcome.
More significantly, Hillary's N.Y. Democratic constituents would have cheered a NO vote!

So, -- Why did she vote YES????

Why did she vote to join with the Republicans and give to George Bush the authority to take this country into a pre-emptive war that has killed and maimed tens of thousands of American soldiers, marines, airmen and sailors?

She brags about her support of children...what about our sons and daughters in uniform?

It seems obvious that Hillary voted to authorize the war in Iraq because she did not want to poison the well from which she thought (way back in 2002) she would have to drink when going up against a Republican in 2008.

She voted "YES" to insulate herself from Republican attack.

In other words, she took a position with an eye on HER future - NOT the future of the United States.

She did not think the issue through. Just like George Bush. Ready - fire - AIM !

Hillary Clinton took her stance on the War with her eye on her political career. There is no other explanation for her vote - unless she actually supported the war and is now ducking that conviction.

Either way - she comes off looking like a cheap politician parsing her answers so as to deflect the truth. But again, remember who she learned from - for 35 years - she was trained by Bill.

Hillary is guilty of political posturing for the most common of political reasons - her own career. But, this vote was not on some procedural matter...this vote led ultimately to the War. The Republicans have their knives and spears sharpened and ready for the thrust.

McCain will simply say, "But Hillary - YOU voted FOR the WAR." "You used your 30 years of experience and judgment and voted YES for the language of the bill....

Hillary's experience and judgment failed her in 2002, just as it is failing her now in 2008 in the woefully inept management of her own campaign.

HILLARY CLINTON MUST BE DENIED THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | March 16, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama will win Pennsylvania. This is why:

1. Senator Obama supports Pennsylvania sportmen. His position on hunting is in a fact sheet here:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/additional/Obama_FactSheet_Western_Sportsmen.pdf

2. Senator Obama has a plan for rural America. Which is here:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/rural/

3. Meanwhile Hillary Clinton and Ed Rendell want to take your guns. The Prohibition On Confiscation of Firearms law was signed into law October 4, 2006. It prohibits the confiscaton of a firearm during an emergency or major disaster where the possession of such firearm is not prohibited under Federal or State law. In other words the police or federal agencies can't just take your guns citing and emergency as long as you aren't violating any other laws related to gun ownership.

Barack Obama voted for this law, guaranteeing the right to bear and Hillary Clinton voted against. Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton's number 2 in Pennsylvania, Governor Ed Rendell, has been trying to push through gun control legislation in the Commonwealth legislature. No doubt about it, Hillary Clinton wants to take guns from law-abiding Pennsylvania voters and Barack Obama will support their right to hunt and bear arms.

This is why he will win.

Posted by: itsatest | March 16, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

John Edwards should come back in and campaign in the rest of the primaries. Obama and Clinton have driven their negatives up so high they are both only marginally electable, at best. The dream ticket now is Gore/Edwards!

Posted by: TeddyRoosevelt | March 16, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are infantile.

The cover their eyes and ears to keep out information they don't want to hear.

I and other readers have posed links to news reports from Chicago TV and newspapers about Obama's slums.

No matter how much evidence Obana's supporters see, they just cover their eyes and ears and sing "LA LA LA"

The truth is in the public record.

The evidence has been posted over and over.

The truth will be the end of the "cult of Obama"

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

They're just spinning. They're going all out to win and want to lull Clinton into a false sense of security to blindside her. It makes no sense for the Obama campaign to make her believe anything except that she's a shoe-in because she always drops the ball in when she's ahead.

Clinton always screws up when she feels secure and excels when she is back up against the wall. Being backed up against the wall is the only time she seems to throw off the scripting and come forward as a charming woman. After winning OH and TX, she stopped being charming and adorable and joyous and went right back to being an angry ice queen. She seems to not turn on the charm when she is dominant and to be able to turn it on when she is about to lose!

Posted by: AsperGirl | March 16, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters arrogantly claim that only they can bring "change"

Their claim is so childish it's infantile.

Every candidate running for President will bring "change"

The question is, what kind of "change" would each candiate bring?

What kind of "change" do they care about?

Barak Obama has shown himself to be completely without any concern for the poorest of the poor who voted for him and elected him in Chicago.

Obama let the very same people who elected him and trusted him rot in unheated slums.

Is that the kind of man we want as President of the United States of America?

There is only one possible answer.

The answer is NO.

Say NO to Obama's empty hype and cruel treatment of the poorest of the poor.

Say NO to Barry Obama.

Lots of people in Chicago wish they had.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

From the Chicago Sun Times:

For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago's South Side.

It was just four years after the landlords -- Antoin "Tony'' Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru -- had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.

Rezko and Mahru couldn't find money to get the heat back on.

But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building....

The building in Englewood was one of 30 Rezmar rehabbed in a series of troubled deals largely financed by taxpayers. Every project ran into financial difficulty. More than half went into foreclosure, a Chicago Sun-Times investigation has found.

"Their buildings were falling apart,'' said a former city official. "They just didn't pay attention to the condition of these buildings.''

Eleven of Rezko's buildings were in Obama's state Senate district....

Rezko and Mahru had no construction experience when they created Rezmar in 1989 to rehabilitate apartments for the poor under the Daley administration. Between 1989 and 1998, Rezmar made deals to rehab 30 buildings, a total of 1,025 apartments. The last 15 buildings involved Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland during Obama's time with the firm.

Rezko and Mahru also managed the buildings, which were supposed to provide homes for poor people for 30 years. Every one of the projects ran into trouble:

* Seventeen buildings -- many beset with code violations, including a lack of heat -- ended up in foreclosure.

* Six buildings are currently boarded up.

* Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.

* Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.

* At least a dozen times, the city of Chicago sued Rezmar for failure to heat buildings.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Gee.
Thanks for telling us about poor old Obama - and the fact that he might lose Pennsylvania. It's just not fair. Everybody should vote for him even if they can't vote just so that awful Hillary person can't win. Obama is just wonderful and goes good with orange soda.

Posted by: lennyjazz | March 16, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Ohhhhhh Please Nominate Barack!

Please please!

Pretty PLEASE! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 16, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Nor should he. If Hillary Clinton can spin the Texas results into a victory for her anything goes. The newest trick is semantics. The Clinton campaign asked the press not to use the "negative" expression super delegates anymore, she'd prefer automatic delegates, see here:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/183723.php

Well automatic delegates sounds as if Hillary Clinton's strong arming didn't have anything to do with overturning the popular vote. They were allotted automatically, weren't they?
As a whole this campaign is as damaging to the Democratic Party as possible. I wonder when the spitting and scratching will cease and make way for a more sober discussion.

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/16/peak-bile/

Posted by: old_europe | March 16, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

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