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Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., speaks at a town hall meeting at the Community College of Beaver County, Monday, March 17, 2008, in Monaca, Pa. (AP.)

By Shailagh Murray
MONACA, Pa. -- Sen. Barack Obama will deliver a major speech about race in Philadelphia tomorrow that he said would explore his relationship with Chicago pastor Jeremiah Wright and the wave of controversy it has stirred in his presidential bid.

"I am going to be talking about not just Reverend Wright, but just the larger issue of race in this campaign, which has ramped up over the last couple of weeks," Obama told reporters after a town hall meeting here. According to aides, he was up until 3 a.m. Monday working on his remarks.

Wright, who recently retired as pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's South Side, was Obama's spiritual guide when he became a practicing Christian during his 20s. He presided over Obama's marriage to Michelle and baptized both Obama daughters. But Wright, a fiery preacher, has come under heavy media scrutiny for a series of racially charged remarks he has made from the pulpit, and Obama has played defense on the issue since Friday.

"The statements that were the source of controversy from Reverend Wright were wrong, and I strongly condemn them," the Illinois senator reiterated today. However, Obama added, "I think the caricature that is being painted of him is not accurate. And so part of what I'll do tomorrow is to talk a little bit about how some of these issues are perceived from within the black church community, for example, which I think views this very differently."

When a reporter asked the Democratic candidate whether the Wright controversy had damaged him politically, Obama responded, "You guys are in a better position to assess that than I am." He refused to discuss the issue any further.

"This is why I'm giving a speech tomorrow that will be a lot more fulsome than a press conference," he said.

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Posted by: duchos | April 25, 2008 4:27 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: scuko | April 12, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Well, I just finished listening to Obama's Race Speech.

The guy can make a speech, I must say.
But what did he say?
He rejected the preaching of his preacher while justifying it. He came close to blaming white people for causing Rev. Wright to be so filled with hate talk.

He drew equivancies between the spiritual mentor's God damning of America from the pulpit with comments made by his White grandmother, which were left undescribed, as well as comments by Ferraro, which were not of the type or kind that Wright let out with.

He abhored the racial divide in this country while not explaining why he has supported the Black side of the divide for the past 20 years. He never explained why in 20 years of exposure to this sort of thing he has never done anything, even in his church to help his fellow church goers overcome the hate talk that apparantly has an audience there.

By condemning this sort of thing while at the same time attempting to justify it it, Obama is sort of like Clinton saying he smoked pot but didn't inhale. He is parsing and then putting a thick layer of Obama styled inspirational talk on top and hoping that it all sells.

I thought it rather out of place that he would take the opportunity of the attention that was given that speech wherein he was to attempt to explain his connection with Rev. Wright and instead use the attention to give his stump speech, including the reference to the little White Girl Allison.

It all leaves me to wonder why, if Obama feels as he spoke today why he has not tried to impress such ideas on his church congregation up until now? Why did he wait until he had his hand caught in the cookie jar to come up with the eloquent speech about racial reconciliation?

The racial climate in this country will not be changed by a campaign or by a president, even an African American one. Rather, it is a slow evolutionary process. Started at the close of the Civil War, left dormant for 100 years of Jim Crowe and then righted with the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the Fair Housing Act of 1968. That legislation set the framework for the emergence of a thriving African American economic middle class and the emergence of this large African American middle class has more than anything else, changed the racial climate in the country. It is evolving.

In fact, if Obama were to get elected now, in the wake of what his preacher preaches and his community defends, this will only justify the resurgence of white power groups as a countervaling reaction to Obama and where he comes from.

Race in America comes in cycles. Pull the pendulum too far one way and you can count on it swinging back hard the other way. To now it has been largely dormant.

What Obama has done today is to open up an old wound, or a can of worms. At this time, when there are so many other intractible issues before the County, do we really need to take on Black and White in America?? Do we really need to create this polarity when the country really needs to be united as it faces all of the issues that are before us?

We genuinely do need a uniter. The people feel it, the people seek it. The people have flocked to the Obama campaign thinking that he is the agent not only of change but of unity.

This episode with the preacher has put a huge dent in his credibility as a uniter. I do not know that this talk cured that problem, which for Obama is a killer.

Posted by: pkmc83a | March 18, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

jkse123-YOU are sooooo full of it, your eyes are browner!

First, many Blacks were in NORTHERN States, and hence-NOT SLAVES.
Second, Many Irish People and others were brought here as Indentured servants, and Hence, ALSO shared Bondage!
And Third, Millions of Blacks arrived AFTER the Civil War, and have NEVER even remotely shared the Bondage Caca!

Finally-There is NO other Country on this planet that offers Blacks as much of a chance to succeed, get Ahead, or opportunity, than here!

If the US is Soooooooo Bad to Blacks, why are MILLIONS more trying soooooooo hard, TO GET HERE!?

Knock your garbage off! :-(

Posted by: rat-the | March 18, 2008 7:10 AM | Report abuse

Why is he refusing to answer very important questions such as this off-the-cuff, without preparation? This concerns me for several reasons.

[1] A PRESIDENT DOES NOT ALWAYS HAVE THE LUXURY OF TIME TO PREPARE A SPEECH. Also, prepared speeches seem less immediate, less real when they become overused. I am afraid Barack Obama is reaching this point.

[2] PREPARED SPEECHES, NO MATTER HOW PERSUASIVE, ARE NOT ENOUGH. He is a relatively gifted orator, but, unfortunately, this is not the only or even the most important quality in a leader. Being persuasive is not the same thing as knowing the best course of action.

[3] WE SHOULD ALREADY KNOW WHERE HE STANDS ON THESE THINGS, BUT WE DON'T. Why do we have to wait for a prepared response? Simply saying over and over that we are all one America (we are) and that we should all get along (we should) has never been enough. I do not think it ever will be. What exactly are his beliefs about things like religion, race, and gender? What does he plan to do about it?

[4] HE SHOULD KNOW WHAT HE BELIEVES ABOUT THESE ISSUES BY NOW. By making reporters wait for answers to these kinds of questions, it gives me the impression that he is not sure and that his speech is going to be carefully contrived, rather than revealing. I hope it is informative because, as a presidential candidate, he had certainly better have a clear understanding of the very real problems of continued prejudice in America and more than a few plans on how to deal with them.

[5] SO FAR, BARACK OBAMA SEEMS TO HAVE A VERY NAIVE VISION OF RACISM AND SEXISM IN AMERICA. I never hear him talk about the uglier results of prejudice in our country, such as difficulties obtaining jobs, reduced wages when you have one, generational poverty, violence, and so on. It's not that he seems especially insensitive so far. He is just too verbally careful and maybe, underneath, more than a bit naive about how some of us are actually living. He is upset that his pastor is being caricaturized, but then he describes him as a stereotype, a product of the times in which he lived. Mr. Obama seems to be putting this period firmly in our past, as if everything is better now. It is just the old folks who are still bitter and don't realize how much better things are. This kind of false sense of contentment is only available to those who can afford it. Such complacency could hurtle us backward rather than forward.

[6] DOES ANY OF THIS IMPACT FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUES? I find it disturbing that he does not seem to be actively engaged in facing these problems head-on in our country, but I find it chilling that he might apply oversimplified views of religion, race, and sex onto our international policy efforts. I hope he talks about this link between fighting for rights and equality both at home and abroad.

Posted by: scottegould | March 18, 2008 3:57 AM | Report abuse

Let's not forget that the woman that gave birth the Obama is a white woman. I'm sure he loves his mother dearly, so to think that he is racist is imaginable! Let him have his say!

America still suffers from racism or we would not be having this dialog. Also, African Americans views on America and the treatment towards blacks in this country for 400+ years is something that white American can't understand. White America wants to sweep this issues under the rug. If you sweep dust under the rug, the dust still remains. You must sweep the dust into a dust pan and throw the dust into the garbage.

If you want to heal the minds of the American blacks and whites in regards to the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade and the treatment towards blacks, then we must talk about the issues. Blacks must help our white brothers and sisters remove the burden off the shoulders of white America which was not placed there by their own doing, but by the doings of their forefathers. As such, whites must help black America break the chains of mental slavery that has plagued black America for centuries.

With this new found understanding change takes place and love, respect, and deep understanding for each other is created. We must talk about the issues without judgment. Why? Because to judge is to separate yourself from that which you are judging.

Posted by: jkse123 | March 18, 2008 3:07 AM | Report abuse

Two campaigns change theme songs!

Barack Hussein-Jethro Tull's "Living in the Past"! :-(

And John McCain-"Taking Care of Business"! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 18, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

i posted this elsehere too if this sounds familiar to anyone...
i'm glad obama will put this to rest tomorrow. b/c the media and pundits are overplaying this issue. to fault obama for rev wrights over the top statements, b/c he's a church member and the rev married obama and baptized his daughters cuts both ways. to do so is as ridiculous as to fault someone who has been married or baptized by a priest who has committed some wrong doing. I mean were catholic politicians faulted after the priest controversies a few years back ? of course not- and any such attempt would have been wrong-headed. obviously, to make that connection is over reaching.
but at the same time wright's comments ( yes, they are abrupt) have a context. first rev wright is a man of his times; someone who served the country in the navy and marines and later tried to mend the black community with his church. those are an example of his works ( which is the important factor). the words in question are an example of social commentary that is traditional to the black church. sometimes they serve to challenge the society at large that is to say-unwise wars, unjust social policies, or the congregation ( personal accountability) on issues like crime, education, and whole family structures. this social commentary style has it's place in the black church but admittedly not in politics.
now, that question fairly put to obama is what are his thoughts and reflections. he is a man of these times; no one can argue he has a problem w/whites. he is a multi-racial, multi-cultural, post-racial candidate who was raised largely by loving white relatives. so, I hope the fear-card does not hold sway. also to try to make an inference that the black church is a bastion of anti-patriotism is also wrong-headed. black americans after all fought for the right- to fight and die for our nation(like rev wright) for example.
if we as americans, all of us -keep getting fooled by these feeble scare tactics we will continue to decline as a nation. people wake up and let's put this issue behind us.

Posted by: jacade | March 18, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

I find it amazing that 400 years of slavery and "Jim Crow" should be forgotten and forgiven of those who committed them because they declare that they have changed. Calling Obama a racist pig denies the atrocities committed by all sectors of our society during those infamous years of denial and outcast of a major part of its citizenry. Remember when lynching was considered a Sunday outing-not only the South, but the North too: an all-to-common practice all over the country. We continue to be made emotionally impotent as a nation because of our social inheritance of the institute of slavery and "JIM CROW". This is why race continues to be the specter that determines the social intercourse we have with different ethnic groups, how pathetic. I am surprise that what is considered so outrageous because it just happened to surprisingly be discovered in the black church allows us to condemn Barack Obama through association and declare he is not fit to be POTUS. Look at what we have now! What has been done to these United States by George W. Bush, far out weighs anything that could be perpetuated by Obama. We are so consumed by race that we forget the troubling problems we face: the economy, the war in Iraq, the shrinking statue of the US in foreign policy, the castration of our military.

Frankly, I do not have much confidence that the US will ever overcome its legacy of slavery and race "baiting".

Posted by: womont | March 17, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Should white people be talking about what goes on in black churches? Or is it any of our business? Seems like the subject of white America is fair game in these congregations. Is it intrusive at best and racist at worst for white Americans to opine about what is preached in social agenda sermons to African American congregations? I'm curious about what fair minded people think of these questions and what African Americans themselves might feel about them. Maybe there's something wrong going on in black churches where Rev. Wright-style black preachers venture into these areas. It seems to me that black church goers and the black communities that might accept the influence of these types of negative perspectives aren't benefiting from even the basics of what we all now know about healthy-minded perspectives on one's life. Could a tradition of filling people up with this type of resentment and anger and hostility for their own living environment, America, and for those who they must share that environment with, white Americans, be actually contributing to this group's perpetual foundering in terms of achieving, as a community, this long sought after "lifting up" from the many social and economic problems that still ensnare black America?

Posted by: jammerbirdi | March 17, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

slavicdiva - Good point with regards to Barack Obama unable to answer questions. Instead, he has to draft a speech with his advisors and wife in order to figure out what the American people want to hear him say. How lame.

Posted by: InSearchofTruth | March 17, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

tim - Actually, I think it is a bit more serious than just disagreeing with your pastor on a few things. What you are suggesting would be equal to disagreeing with your pastor that wearing makeup or jewelry was a sin. I'm sorry, but I don't consider racist attacks on white Americans and our nation as a whole in the same league as disagreeing on something far more insignificant as whether wearing make-up (or too much of it) is a sin.

Posted by: InSearchofTruth | March 17, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

There are several posts above, for anyone who has an attention-span above that of a five year old, that make me proud...proud of the candidacy of Barack Obama, proud of those posters, and proud of my country for the first time in many decades. thank you. BTW...white, female, 61 yrs old

cgirard

Posted by: cgirard | March 17, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Logan6 - This particular issue more directly relates to Barack Obama's credibility in regards to claiming that he is the "post-racial" candidate. How can he be a "post-racial" candidate when he attends a racial-charged church and has a racist for his "spirit advisor"?

The American people have a right to know if Barack Obama has been lying to them, deceiving them, or keeping such concerning issues from them just so he can get elected president.

Barack Obama's credibility and electibility are valid issues to discuss, particularly since his relationship with his "spirit advisor" is concerning, especially when Barack Obama claims he didn't know how his pastor or spirit advisor preached.

Now that his polls are in a free-fall, he's finding the need to try to attempt to explain why he's supported a racially-charged church and a racist "spirit-advisor" for the past 20 years. I hope people record it and go back and analyze it later to determine what questions Barack Obama danced around without actually answering and which answers do not make any sense.

Posted by: InSearchofTruth | March 17, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh btw, I am a 53 and white and was born in Mississippi, but grew up in the north. But I witnessed the injustices of African Americans when I went back to visit my grandmother. We made them sit on the back of the bus, they had different water fountains. I could go on and on what I saw as a child. We really need Obama and I'm sorry that all the racists in this country can't see it. It upsets me so much that we still have racism.

Posted by: sadowns | March 17, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

What are all of you afraid of. Some of you sound very uneducated and ignorant. You readily condemn Obama because of his association with Rev Wright. But some of what Rev Wright says is true. Are you wearing blinders and just don't want to admit that you are racist and that racism still exists in this country. I guess it's easier to attack then to face who you truly are.

Ebubuk2004, this comment of yours is truly disgraceful ..................
Before the election is over, we make Obama Uncle Tom.
Obama needs good old wiping.

His comments were directed toward people like you. Does that make him a racist......no, that makes him a realist. Racism still exists and will continue to exist because of people like you. Shame on you for that. We need to get past this and who better than Obama to do that.
No I don't agree with all the comments from the rev. but I do understand some of what he said. And unlike some of the comments I have read here, Obama is not playing the race card. That was already played by Bill Clinton in South Carolina. I am so ashamed of some of you and embarrassed on what you posted. You need to educate yourself on politics because you just sound foolish and again ignorant.

I am so tired of the Bush and Clinton dynasty. Why do you want them running our country time after time. Nothing will change unless we nominate someone with new ideas. She has so much baggage and scandals of her own, and no real experience. And McCain is just too old and wants us in Iraq for the next 100 years.
So can we please get over the race issue. I am so glad Obama is addressing this tomorrow.

Posted by: sadowns | March 17, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

btw all of you neocons, the definition of racism is: a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
So what did Rev. Wright say that leads you to believe he thinks blacks are superior or that they should rule over another race?!?

Ohhhhhh, I get it. THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE AFRAID OF. You're afraid that if Obama get's elected then all the black folks will rise up and start treating you like you've been treating us for the past 400 centuries. I get it. Well we're better than that! Is that racist?!?

Posted by: TheUrbanRevolution | March 17, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

ZyskandarAJaimot: First of all we do not blame white people for where we are today nor was Rev. Wright. However, if you look at the truth there are some things that cannot be denied; like the Tuskeegee experiments. When govt' sponsored programs are put in place to inject black men with syphilis while pretending to cure them is it any surprise that a conspiracy theory like AIDS is believed?
Secondly 9/11 is the result of actions taken by the OUT GOVERNMENT = not you who i assume are white, but have no power - but our govt. Which is controlled by white people. If you would like to believe that we were attacked for absolutely no reason; that we were just minding our own business and here they come messin' with us. Then go right ahead. But you are living in a fantasy world. The truth is, that we have been meddling in other folk's business and their tired of it. They're tired of the Westernized cultural colonization that is engulfing the rest of the planet. They're tired of the puppet governments that we set up to do our bidding. This is the truth. Your president didn't even realize that there are 2 different "tribes" living in Iraq - and there he goes meddling in their business and for what? Oh, that's right because they have WMDs. Oh, no that's not right it's to liberate them. Oh no, that's not right it's to get Al Qaeda. Your president has been lying since day 1 and yet if we say he is the most pitiful piece a crap president and the U.S. is stupid for voting for him then we are racist. While you're on You Tube looking at the TRUE WORDS or Rev. Wright, go check out how your president was joking with his cronies about not finding any WMDs.
Until this country atones for the evil that it was created by it will continue to slip into destruction.

Posted by: TheUrbanRevolution | March 17, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I think this type of preaching only serves to divide us. Do people really think that white america would invent the Aids virus to infect people of color? This is the racist veiws of the past. It is used to deflect personal responsibility. Don't blame yourself for the condition in which you find yourself, blame someone else that way you don't have to do anything to better your condition because it's not your fault and ah...oh put some money in the collect plate the reverend needs a new car. The real oppressors in this world are those that tell you you can't.

Posted by: tommygun1 | March 17, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

It is time to finally admit that BLACKS have one view of AMERICA - WHITES another. BLACKS have 'reasons' to feel oppressed by a WHITE wealthy majority - and are committed to the notions that the UNITED STATES deserved 9/11; that WHITES intentionally inflicted AIDS on the BLACK PEOPLES of the world, and have generally 'mistreated' 'COLOURED PEOPLES' because they are not WHITE. UNFORTINATELY - no BLACK has ever uttered their thanks/appreciation to the WHITES of this nation who fought a CIVIL WAR for their freedom/liberation. As the BLACK POPULACE is pressed in its favored minority staus with a growing influx of HISPANICS - it might well behoove for BLACKS to find other 'leaders' other than the standard 'race-haters/baiters' who seem to appeal to a large majority to blame 'WHITEY' for all their ills/problems - whether real or imagined.

Posted by: ZyskandarAJaimot | March 17, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

hi

Posted by: tommygun1 | March 17, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

"According to aides, he was up until 3 a.m. Monday working on his remarks."

The simple truth doesn't take that long.

Posted by: WylieD | March 17, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I hope that Americans will listen to Obama when he talks about race tomorrow. Simple minded smear tactics, guilt by association, and appeals to racism are not a way to run a country. I am so very disappointed by the Clinton campaign and the continued credulity of the American public. If we elect either Hillary or McCain we will get just exactly what we deserve. Appeals to the bullying majority in this country and blind patriotism will lead us to continuing errors at home and abroad. America is going down because it can't see beyond its own bigoted nose.

Posted by: johnsonc2 | March 17, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

doesnt matter what the pastor wright said as an independent I WILL STILL VOTE FOR OBAMA HE IS A UNITER NOT A DIVIDER LIKE HILLARY

Posted by: capskip | March 17, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Rev. Wright's church seems to address some of the social issues that can provide Americans now and for generations to come with resources which can make them productive and independent citizens? The church is trying to save taxpayers' money. It has members/former members who offer scholarships to youth? This church is likely to reduce the number of individuals for our society to complain about? It does seem like it's trying to help its members weave a path to their dreams.
http://www.tucc.org/home.htm Wright

I don't know Rev. Wright's heart or his intent. Only God does.

I'm disappointed that the professional reporters did not give us this information to show the positive side of Wright's church. I plan to check out things for my self in the future. I am tired of reporters alarming us from Youtube videos without giving complete coverage of a story. They need to take time to thoroughly investigate instead of being controlled by the need to report a story first.

Further questions that I have:

Does anyone know if Rev. Wright's church produced thousands of racists in his church and Chicago community? Do you know if they are lurking the streets and their places of employment to secretly devour those who wronged them? Or are they trying to bring people food, love and hope?

Does Rev. Wright socialize, communicate and dine with whites on a personal level?Has any politician, other than Obama,white or black, spoke or attended the church? If so, should they immediately leave the church?

Does anyone know why the church is not seclusive, and is indeed open to the public and not secretive about its operations and sermons? If only all churches were this way!

Does anyone know why Obama could be elected to the Illinois Senate, his home state, and the U.S. Senate and no one seemed to judge him by the church he attended?

Does anyone know why military officers, senators, representatives have so much respect for Obama after working with him for years?


Posted by: whatdoesthismean | March 17, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

The Keating 5 were five United States Senators, who were accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s. The five senators, John McCain (R-AZ) (the presumptive Republican nominee for the 2008 U.S. presidential election), Alan Cranston (D-CA), Dennis DeConcini (D-AZ), John Glenn (D-OH), Donald W. Riegle (D-MI), were accused of improperly aiding Charles H. Keating, Jr., chairman of the failed Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which was the target of an investigation by the Federal Home Loan Bank Board.

After a lengthy investigation, the Senate Ethics Committee determined in 1991 that Alan Cranston, Dennis DeConcini, and Donald Riegle had substantially and improperly interfered with the FHLBB in its investigation of Lincoln Savings, while John Glenn and John McCain had been only minimally involved. The Committee recommended censure for Cranston and criticized the other four for "questionable conduct."

All five of the senators involved served out their terms, but only Glenn and McCain ran for re-election (and were subsequently re-elected).

Posted by: TheUrbanRevolution | March 17, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Ci2Eye-It was called al-Huckleberry the Huckster.

He gave the Media the ammo, and they ran with it! :-(

Never mind that the Senate Majority Leader, Hairbrain Reid, is ALSO a Mormon, or, that Mitt Romney never made it an issue or that al-Huckleberry turned his Back on his Congregation.

But, maybe President McCain will get smart, and realize he needs Mitt Romney to balance the Ticket! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 17, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama Plans a speech. Yes of courses, because words matter! That is if Obama is speaking them they matter. Sir your actions or lack of action speak louder than any speech could ever explain. I am deeply disappointed in you. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

Posted by: willygoo46 | March 17, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

to kkravet - thank you

Posted by: TheUrbanRevolution | March 17, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

If you think that he can do more for this country than Sen. Clinton then we need to fight like H E !!, to get him elected. We should not settle for "well the Repubs are going to smear him". Enough - why do they get to keep reiterating crap while not cleaning out their own closet?

Here's more truth: When Senator Obama's preacher thundered about racism and injustice Obama suffered smear-by-association. But when my late father -- Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer -- denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr.

Every Sunday thousands of right wing white preachers (following in my father's footsteps) rail against America's sins from tens of thousands of pulpits. They tell us that America is complicit in the "murder of the unborn," has become "Sodom" by coddling gays, and that our public schools are sinful places full of evolutionists and sex educators hell-bent on corrupting children. They say, as my dad often did, that we are, "under the judgment of God." They call America evil and warn of immanent destruction. By comparison Obama's minister's shouted "controversial" comments were mild. All he said was that God should damn America for our racism and violence and that no one had ever used the N-word about Hillary Clinton... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committe_b_91774.html

Posted by: TheUrbanRevolution | March 17, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Rev. Butts is Clinton's supporter. Should she distance herself from him?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/16/nyregion/16church.html

Posted by: whatdoesthismean | March 17, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

It's unfortunate to hear this back and forth. I am a white person -- a Jew -- who has lived in Washington DC for 30 plus years. I have no ties to any campaign. I have been an affordable housing lawyer and worked with community organizes on Washington's streets.

DC is mostly African American, so it's interesting to see much of this back and forth on this blog. I have a feeling that many of you live around people who look like you, make around the same amount of money, that kind of thing. If you look at the policy positions that Obama is proposing, they're fairly middle-of-the-road and most Americans would do well by them. It's true that Obama differs in important ways from Clinton, especially in the way he is willing to use his imagination to revive U.S. foreign policy. Other than that, the policy differences are subtle.

However, Obama is, simply, much less cynical than Clinton. The years have taken their toll on her.

Rev. Wright's comments don't bother me. I deal with positions like his among my friends and neighbors -- who are black, white, Latino, etc. -- all the time. The reality is that our country was built on the backs of slave labor. Indeed, black slaves built our Capitol building. The legacy of slavery continues on the streets of Washington DC and other urban communities. The problems among low income African Americans especially are so profound. All of this stemming from a society that stripped people of their identities and awarded them the names of their white slave masters. It's incumbent upon white people and those of us who've benefited from undeserved white privilege to understand this. We need to not feel guilty about it; but we do need to own it.

Like I said, I'm a Jew. My people know a little something about what it's like to be a slave and the legacy of slavery, which is why so many of us found common cause with African Americans during the civil rights movement and maintain many of those ties to this day. Certainly, we Jews have our own insecurities -- like about people such as Farrakahn, who is really no threat to us but we think he is because we're a little shellshocked.

So, remember: Barack Obama is as white as he is black. His mom was white. His dad was black. He has an African name. He has lived in several places throughout the United States and internationally. He has organized low income people on the mean streets of Chicago. If you know anything about that type of community organizing, then you know it is the essence of democracy: Empowering the disempowered. Helping poor people speak truth to power.

His experience is broad and deep. He's worked at the bottom and now he's at the top. He's a God fearing man who has a beautiful family and, for the bulk of his adult life, has tried to do the right thing and, when he's made mistakes, he's actually taken responsibility for them.

I can't think of a better representative of America's ideals -- someone that I'd want my 10 and 7 year old to look up to -- than Barack Hussein Obama.

To say that we'd be fortunate to have him as our leader at this historic moment is an understatement.

Posted by: kkravet | March 17, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

The strange thing about this controversy is that Rev. Wright looks to me like a white man. His skin is whiter than Obama's. Anyway, the whole subject of racism has no basis in fact. All humans belong to the same species. All are interbreeding. Race is an artifical concept with no basis in biology. The fact is we are all descended from dark skinned people who originated in Africa. Some of them remained dark skinned and others became white. If we could all understand these facts there would be no racism.

Posted by: bradwater | March 17, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

So, if Obama decides to join the Nazi party and choose Adolph Hitler as his "spiritual advisor," then that is OK so long as he doesn't personally hear any of his mentor's racist and abhorrent comments and that he personally disagrees with them? Then, why did he join the party and choose the person as his spiritual advisor and mentor??? A person's values and beliefs are very much a reflection of the organizations and people that the person chooses to associate with. There is no question that Obama is an ambitious and shrewd politician that also happens to be an anti-American racist .... and he is running for the office of President.

Posted by: mo897 | March 17, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

In the following exerpts Hillay seems to support Re. Wright's views:


I want to lead a great effort to fight discrimination in the workplace. A recent study found a shocking fact. Employers were twice as likely to hire a white applicant with the very same qualifications as a black applicant. And even hired at a greater percentage, white applicants with criminal records over black applicants without one. Anyone who says that we have gotten beyond racial discrimination is not living with their eyes open. I believe we have to shine a bright light on any discrimination, whether it be against people of color or against women and make sure that we truly fulfill our laws, not just by the letter but by the spirit.
We need to provide a high quality education for every single child, and I want to have a universal pre-kindergarten program that is especially focused on children from disadvantaged backgrounds, I heard the Mayor talking about that. We know that if children get a good quality pre-school education, they stay in school, they do better, and the evidence is overwhelming that with a good quality pre-school program in our country we would cut by 50% the achievement gap between black and white youngsters by the time they graduated from high school.
They're aware that we have an income gap that has grown like a chasm in our country. Between the very very best off in America and all the rest of us, and it's a gap that is even greater between African Americans and white Americans. We have a health care gap. The access to health care is not even in our nation, we all know that. The rates for disease and the failure to treat those diseases is a disparity that we should not tolerate. We have an achievement gap between the rates of graduation and access to higher education, between the gleaming corridors of suburban schools and the deplorable conditions along the corridor of shame
Reverend Darby referred to the disparity in sentencing when it comes to cocaine. Well, that is just one of the disparities.15% of drug users in America are African American, but African Americans make up 53% of all drug offenders sent to prison. So how do we close all of these gaps? How do we move forward toward a more perfect union? Continue that progress that has been the hallmark but we cannot let it stop now
We need to provide a high quality education for every single child, and I want to have a universal pre-kindergarten program that is especially focused on children from disadvantaged backgrounds, I heard the Mayor talking about that. We know that if children get a good quality pre-school education, they stay in school, they do better, and the evidence is overwhelming that with a good quality pre-school program in our country we would cut by 50% the achievement gap between black and white youngsters by the time they graduated from high school.
Because if you are a child in a crumbling school along the corridor of shame, you are invisible. And if you're a young man caught in the brutal revolving door of low skills, no jobs, and a justice system stacked against you, you're invisible as well. If you're a mother without health care, a father without a job, a family that can't get by on the minimum wage, well, you're invisible, too. If you're a voter, turned away from the polls for no good reason or voting on a broken machine that doesn't even record your vote, you're invisible. And if you're stuck on a rooftop or stranded at the Super Dome during a hurricane, you're invisible to this president, even when you're on CNN.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/view/?id=4117

Posted by: whatdoesthismean | March 17, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

At the same time, a lot of people feel comfortable with their longstanding home church community and his church probably did a lot of good work for the community too.


Which is exactly the reason he should have given for staying. "For 20 years that church has been a powerhouse of community action and neighborhood renewal on Chicago's South Side and Rev Wright was the celebrated figure which made all those good works possible." etc etc

When a politican's first reaction is to resort to the grossly naive categorical denial lie "was never there" it is very instructive. Like throwing down a red flag. Cause someone will find that he was. And then Obama is over forever.

Posted by: elayman | March 17, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

When I saw Americans of all races rallying round Barack Obama initially something inside of me said it was unreal that the US is too racially divided to support a coloured man. How right I was! Now, I'm shocked, no disgusted reading all the comments on this page. You guys in America should change your country's name to Dis-United States of America. I thought Britain was divided, but summing up all the comments here, I'm proud of my United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Posted by: jakes | March 17, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

A lot of people are hearing about the Rev. Wright for the first time, and wondering who he is. But the real question is, Who is Barack Obama? And how he addresses the controversy about his pastor will go a long way to answering that question.

When a preacher blasts America by attacking the white ethnic group, this is racism. Because it is black on white does not negate the fact that the comments were racists. When I watch the congregation of that church jumping and dancing to the words of the pastor, I cannot help but wonder if Senator Obama was the only oddball not rejoicing along with the congregation that seemed in such elated agreement with the hate filled, anti-American words of the pastor. If a leader of our country is connected to this type of racism for over twenty years, that leader is well aware of what he is connected with. Does America not see that people publicly change their connection ties when they run for office in order to separate themselves from what could cause a defeat? Why did Senator Obama not publicly and openly denounce his preacher and the congregation before he ran for the presidency? If you listen close, people will truly reveal what they are really about.

Posted by: starbuck1 | March 17, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

In light of Reverend Wright's sermons, one has to wonder exactly what Obama means when he says "Yes, We Can".

Posted by: Ci2Eye | March 17, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Very smart of Obama to make some MLK-esque speech out of his divisive mess. The stage is his bailiwick. There's not much else there but he is a brilliant politician.

Posted by: jcmdstep1 | March 17, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired of his lies. His words mean nothing any more. His campaign is a fraud and so is he. People need to see him for who is really is before it's too late. Hope? Change? Bull!! He'll never make it in the general election it's time to support Clinton.

Posted by: TALVES | March 17, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs to do more than make a tepid denunciation of Wright's remarks, tempered with a "but let's look at this in context."

Obama needs a Sister Souljah moment, even if it costs him his church membership and his relationship with his fellow congregants.

I'm an Obama supporter, but this is a situation that can't be nuanced away. Does he want to be a member in good standing of the Trinity United Church of Christ, with all the negative connotations that affiliation has taken on...or does he want to be President of the United States?

Considering the ruthlessness of the Clintons and the looming menace of the Republican attack machine, it seems clear he no longer can balance the two.

Posted by: jonfromcali | March 17, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

As a Mitt Romney supporter, it is nice to see Barrack finally being scrutinized for the teachings of his church and Reverend Wright.

Throughout the campaign, I saw a very decent guy with impeccable credentials to be President being attacked because of his religion. The media coverage of him was largely negative and constantly referred to him as a Mormon followed by questions asking whether America could ever elect such a guy.

All the while, Barrack Obama's church website was out there espousing black power, black values and an allegiance to Africa. But he got a pass. No mention was ever made of it. I wondered why and thought there was a double standard applied by a media infatuated with Obama.

Romney had to make a speech about his religion in November and now four months later, we are finally hearing what Mr. Obama's church teaches and he is forced to make a similar speech. It's about time.

The irony is that the teachings of Mormonism are far less divisive and hateful than those of Mr. Obama's pastor and Mormons never suggest that America be damned so how can the powers that be explain why the coverage was so unbalanced.

Posted by: Ci2Eye | March 17, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

1-James McDougal - Clinton 's convicted Whitewater partner died of an
apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key
witness in Ken Starr's investigation.

2 -Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at
a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown . The murder happened just after
she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White
House .

3 - Vince Foster - Former White House councilor, and colleague of
Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot
wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman.Reported
to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the
investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's
skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was
being investi gated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a
deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A
few days lat er the air Traffic controller commited suicide.

5 - C. Victor Raiser II- Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund
raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

6 -Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found
dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992.Described
by Clinton as a 'Dear friend and trusted advisor'.

7 -Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in
the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed
Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill
Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House . Ed Willey
was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

8 -Jerry Parks -Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little
Rock . Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little
Rock . Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton .
He allegedly threatened to reveal thi s information. After he died the
files were mysteriously removed from his house.

9 -James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide . It was reported that he
had a 'Black Book' of people which contained names of influential
people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas .

10 -James Wilson - Was fo und dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging
suicide. He wasreported to have ties to Whitewater.

11 -Kathy Ferguson- Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was
found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head.
It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed
suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a
co-defendant along with Bill Cl inton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy
Ferguson was
a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

12 -Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy
Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found
dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave
site
of his fiancee.

13 -Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton's friend Dan Lassater, died by
jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a
convicted

drug distributor.

14 -Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was
related to the Barry Seal Mena ,Arkansas Airport drug smuggling
case..He died of three gunshot wounds.

15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he
was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of
the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

16 -Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978
until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

17 -Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport
and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists,
apparently, in the middle of his investigation.

18 - Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport
with Casolaro and the 1980 'October Surprise' was found dead on a
toilet Jun e 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a
report
to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

19 -Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution
Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington , Virginia apartment
balcony August15, 1993. He was in vestigating the Morgan Guaranty
scandal.

20 -Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron
Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29,1996.
Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department
of Commerce.

21 -Charles Meissner -Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John
Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small
plane crash.

> 22 -Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health
Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small
plane crash. Dr. Heard, in a ddition to serving on Clinton 's advisory
council personally treated Clinton 's mother, stepfather and brother.

23 -Barry Seal -Drug running TWA pilot out of Mena Arkansas , death was
no accident.


24 -Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill
Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found
dead after his car had hit a utility pole.

25 -Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a
purported suicide and his report was never released.

26 - Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March
1,1994 when his plane exploded.

27 -Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as 'The boys on the track' case.
Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport
drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said,
due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. L ater reports claim the 2
boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to
the
case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/H ENRY CASE:

28 -Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a
truck, 7/88. 29 -Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
30 -Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
31 -Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash
dump in April 1989.
33 -James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his
death was due to 'natural causes'.
34 -Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his
pickup truck in June 1990.
35 -Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was
killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.

THE FOLLO WING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:

36 -Major William S. Barkley Jr.
37 -Captain Scot t J . Reynolds
38 -Sgt. Brian Hanley
39 -Sgt. Tim Sabel
40 -Major General William Robertson
41 -Col. William Densberger> 42 -Col. Robert Kelly
43 -Spec. Gary Rhodes
44 -Steve Willis
45 -Robert Williams
46 -Conway LeBleu
47 -Todd McKeehan

Quite an impressive list! Pass this on. Let the public become aware of
what happens to friends of the Clinton 's!

HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT?

Posted by: dropbrianaline | March 17, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

To Harlemboy,
Could your name be Bill. It was the Clinton organization that started the bashing. And yes! We can walk the walk. Not one Obama supporter has gone astray. We are in it to win it.Regardless of the schemes and tricks being pulled by your candidate

Posted by: rahc57 | March 17, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Obama is done and he can never be president.

No amount of spin can help him. He had all the time in the world to disassociate himself from Jeremiah Wright but he chose with a blind eye to embrace the pastor and his hateful teachings.

To reject and denounced the rants of Jeremiah Wright only now is nothing but a convenient excuse, opportunistic and self-serving.

Posted by: tim591 | March 17, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey, this may sound weird, but I thought about what I just wrote. I don't think my being so sarcastic and condescending helps the political dialogue which should be focused on how to improve this nation and on finding out the truth and not on gamesmanship. Granted Obama, as a candidate for president, should have shown more courage and seriousness in how he dealt with his pastor's incendiary comments prior to the whole blow-up and that could be a reasonable criticism of him. I personally wouldn't stay at a church if I had significant disagreements with some of its views on critical issues. At the same time, a lot of people feel comfortable with their longstanding home church community and his church probably did a lot of good work for the community too.

Posted by: jedipotential | March 17, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

So, fliegmacht, are you then saying then that McCain is better qualified? He was a POW for 5 odd years...

Posted by: mpespiet.livingstone | March 17, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Yay, another speech from Obama. I love listening to his speeches. I'm so sad I missed his speech when he was a state senator opposing the war. I didn't know that speech would be so very important today. I wish he made more speeches at his church too, because his messages about bringing people together would have hit the spot there.

Posted by: jedipotential | March 17, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Hi folks!

Rather a lot of ire from one side of the aisle, not sure I can understand it unless it is simply disinformation.

o How can you be a simple racist when your father is black and your mother white? Which side of yourself are your racist against?

o Church? With Doug Coe and the Fellowship guiding Sen. Clinton and Rev's Hagee and Parsely guiding McCain there seem to be enough glass houses to go around.

It seems the "racist" accusastions just don't even make sense, and the religious one don't matter (but I guess we're all done questioning whether the man is Christian, anyway).

In every religious teaching that makes sense to me, God tells us "You are my Church. No other can tell you what it means to follow Me, that is My job and your responsibility."

So, good, Obama goes to church and is neither going to tell us to agree with his pastor nor does he toss him in the gutter because we may not like 30-seconds of 36 years of preaching.

That sounds like the kind of pragmatic, loyal, thoughtful person we need in office.

I now retrurn you to your regularly scheduled slander... ;~)

-chris

Posted by: chris | March 17, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

To GeorgePS - You write: "...Unlike most "mono-racial" people who are tossed into a racial basket from the day one, bi-racial people have to consciously decide (or not decide) on their racial identity, yet never being completely comfortable about their decisions..." ???

Are you living on another planet or in the future ? As far as African ancestry is concerned there is still the infamous 'one drop rule'...(especially in the US unfortunately...)
I think Barack initially tried to uphold the image of a biracial candidate but this was derailed after Iowa when Clinton decided to play the race card.

Posted by: hoeniboeni | March 17, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Barak should quit. He lied, plain and simple and his belief system is not appropriate for a leader of a country where his pastor has for
20 YEARS degraded and preached hate against the very country Barak seeks to lead.

Republicans have all the ammo they need now. Barak trying to push the tax return tactic is so weak right now and does nothing to addres HIS problem, which is racism and bigotry.

He is a divider and his minister has just blown everyones mind with his racism and hatred.

It explains why Michelle does not like this country, and she is supposed to be first lady. How will she represent us? "I like it now that I am first lady but until now it sucked as a country?"

Barak lied, twice. Rezko and now knowing Wrights comments have ever been "inflamatory"? Is Barak awake.

Baraks judgement is flawed. Anyone who could sit in that church for 20 years and tolerate that "intolerance" and say "I didn''t know" is a LIAR. And to think that the American public will buy that answer is arrogant.

I call this the "Audacity of Self Righteousness" and it trips up the arrogant EVERY TIME.

And we don't need another "speech" by Barak Obama already, enough. Quit your church or get out of the race. You make a stink about Ferraro with more dirty laundry in your hamper than a regiment of soliders. Arrogance does this to people, it trips them up. So please, Barak - no more WORDS.

Posted by: lndlouis | March 17, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

You know what really gets me laughing? All the longtime listeners of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter jumping all over Obama for listening to a person spewing hate speech.

That is choice.

Posted by: steveboyington | March 17, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I just don't see how a "speech on race" is a well thought out strategy at this point.
No matter what is said, it's bound to come across as self-serving excuse making.

No one seriously believes that you can attend a church (or civic group or committee meeting or poker game) for 2 decades & never hear what was being said. Even second hand. So forget that.

And not many voters will "understand" why Obama's fellow attendees cheer & clap when
the US is labeled as racist & murderous & vile. Or when the pastor makes obscene gestures when mocking Bill Clinton's romp with an intern. Or talks as if the mass murder which took place on 9/11 is just so many "chickens come home to roost." So forget that.

What can Obama tell us about the divisions along racial lines which exist in this country that we don't know? And if we didn't know, one look at the Trinity videos will educate us. And no matter what he says, that's HIS church. Nothing is gonna change that.

So he should just sit tight, and let this ugliness subside. If he wants to address race, there'll be a better time.

Right now, it's like a husband trying to give his wife a diamond bracelet...right after she finds out he's been sleeping with her sister.

Posted by: stonhinged | March 17, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

"....However, after watching Reverend Wright's sermons, there can be no question that his comments reeked of racism, as well as a deep hatred for our country.

What is being preached in that church is dangerous and divisive."

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 05:20 PM
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Sorry, ebubuk2004...

You've fallen prey to the confused logic of the Limbaugh-maniacs and right-wing zealots. Unfortunately, you are wrong.

Any patriotic Marine Corps veteran who's served his country honorably as Rev. Wright has, has earned the right to criticize what is wrong about his country.

Often times it's military men who see the truth long before anyone else does, just for the simple reason that they are the point of the spear and are busy drawing blood just so folks like you can sit on your comfy sofa and watch CNN or O'Reilly or sit behind the wheel and zone out to Rush Limbaugh's ignorant hot air as you drive about town.

What Rev. Wright preached is neither racist nor hate-America talk; it's simply a reality for huge numbers of blacks and other people of color. Racial division and racism agaisnt people of color is the ugly reality underlying Wright's comments. Please do not try to shoot the messenger simply because he brings you bad news you do not wish to hear.

Your ugly spirit is akin to that of the adult mother who angrily shushes her daughter when the youngster complains of being sexually abused by Mom's boyfriend. Scolding traumatized victims with reprimands of "Hush, child! That is dangerous, hateful and divisive talk" is not helpful.

It may make you feel better to dismiss the complaints and soothe your conscience.... but in the long run your DENIAL is only harming your child and your family. Wake Up!

Posted by: fliegmacht | March 17, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Obasama's Mentors:

Jeremiah Wright, and James Earl Jones! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 17, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

KumObama my Lord, kumbaya
KumObama my Lord, kumbaya
KumObama my Lord, kumbaya
Oh,O-bama is my man.

Someone's slithering Lord, kumbaya
Someone's slithering Lord, kumbaya
Someone's slithering Lord, kumbaya
Oh, O-bama is my man.

Someone's lusting, oh Lord, kumbaya
Someone's lusting, oh Lord, kumbaya
Someone's lusting, oh Lord, kumbaya
Oh, O-bama is my man.

Someone's swaggering, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's swaggering, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's swaggering, Lord, kumbaya
Oh, Obama is my man.

Someone's prophesying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's prophesying, Lord, kumbaya
Someone's prophesying, Lord, kumbaya
Oh,O-bama is my man.

Someone's conniving, Lord, KumObama
Someone's conniving, Lord, KumObama
Someone's conniving, Lord, KumObama
Oh,O-bama is my man.
Oh,O-bama is my man.

Posted by: mpespiet.livingstone | March 17, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

You know what there are people in this country who don't want to vote for Obama because he is black. They will look for anything to support their reasons. Maybe some of you here deep down feel this way. Now, some of you may really feel Hillary is the better candidate. However, some may dislike Obama because he is black. Yes it is true, Obama is black. He went to a black church, where the preacher preached the gospel and promoted black empowerment and improvement. Are we going to be ignorant of the problems in the black community? In South side Chicago there is gang violence, drug problems, and too many welfare dependents. If Rev. Wright preaches to rise above that, is that so wrong?
Now, I feel that the clips shown on TV have no place in church, were they really untruthful? The Reagan administration supplied Osama bin Laden with weapons and money to fight the Soviets! Did most of you know that? So if Wright says that it came back to us, is it wrong what he said? Or does the partial or whole truth really hurt? IS there not a shameful history of racism in this country? Or is everything fine and the past never happened?
Let me reiterate, he did use some harsh language, but not everything he said was false. But all you saw was 30 seconds of controversial statments. If there was more, don't you think they would have aired it? Sure they would have. I have seen Rev. Wright preach on TV several times. The messages I saw were based on the Bible. They were not what I saw on TV. Now this is not a defense of the man. However this is suggestion to keep an open mind. Maybe Obama continued going there because the man can actually preach the gospel. This man led Obama to find Christ. If you are a Christian, you know this to be very important. People that God chooses to lead us to CHrist are not perfect vessels, but they do serve their purpose. We can all have 30 seconds of worst acts in our lives be televised, would it tell the whole story? Would it? ASk yourself today, is this the whole entire story, or do I really just want it to be true to have a reason to be against Obama? And despite all of this, does it matter? Does this mean Obama thinks and acts this way? He never has acted in such a manner consistent with the offensive words spoken by Rev. Wright. Some of you posting here have family members who racist, antisemitic, antihomosexuals, does that mean that you think just like them?
Ask yourself these questions today

Marc

Posted by: afroluvv | March 17, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I am an atheist so I could give a rip about what religion someone is, unless they start dragging religion into their politics. If they keep it in their church, so what? With superstition being so valued in the populace, there is never going to be an atheist elected, so what else can I do? I cringe when any of them start talking about God. But that's what the great majority of the people want. Say you saw a ghost like I did. Say he talked to you then I'll think yer OK. DUH!

Posted by: majorteddy | March 17, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

i can't wait to hear how the magic negro tries to tap dance his way outta this one.

Posted by: hillaryclintonspenis


Why would you post this? Such crude remarks don't help anyone. You must be African American, but still. Come on. Does politics have to be like this? If so, why.
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Putting the crass aside, I still can't believe Obama is taking such a risk. He doesn't need to. He has the nomination locked up. His speech will either unite the nation, or it will force him out of the race. Gutsy gutsy gutsy.

Posted by: ChrisStewart | March 17, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Stop guilt-tripping us, Trinity!
We don't care what vicious, absurd ideas you spew, but I will not vote for your candidate.
The mainstream media,like the NYT, may be trying to help you bury this story, but if Americans still have any pride they will vote against this Manchurian candidate,sorry, couple.

!!!!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!!!!!
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!!!!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Stop guilt-tripping us, Trinity!
We don't care what vicious, absurd ideas you spew, but I will not vote for your candidate.
The mainstream media,like the NYT, may be trying to help you bury this story, but if Americans still have any pride they will vote against this Manchurian candidate,sorry, couple.

!!!!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!!!!!
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!!!!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

ebubuk2004,

The United Church of Christ is one of the largest evangelical denominations in the world. To call it a "cult" is insulting to members of the faith community throughout the world.

There need to be limits to the politics, sir. If you want to attack Obama, fine. But don't attack a church that you know nothing about.

Posted by: ChrisStewart | March 17, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Before the election is over, we make Obama Uncle Tom.

Obama needs good old wiping.

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

i can't wait to hear how the magic negro tries to tap dance his way outta this one.

oh wait, i said "tap dance": that's racist, the implication being that all negroes do is sing and dance.

sorry.

Posted by: hillaryclintonspenis | March 17, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

What guts! Obama could just let this whole thing spill over, and win out the convention. Instead, he goes for the gusto. Will his speech be a hit like JFK's or a dud like Romney's? Wow! I can't believe he is taking this risk. We'll see what happens.

Posted by: ChrisStewart | March 17, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Being a Black man in America, Senator Obama understands how prejudice and racism can cause a large part of the American population not to want to sing, "God Bless America" or not see America as the "Land of the free and the home of the brave." However, Obama has the vision and abilities to bring about the changes that will make every man, woman and child sing loudly and proudly, "My country tis of thee, sweet land of liberty...." Because he loves this country, he wants to make it a better country for everyone (Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, Latinos; men, women, and children) so that it can again become and be viewed as the true leader of the free world. He wants to make it a country where people of other countries, and especially people of the Middle East, will want to embrace us instead of bomb us.
I believe the white press with the blessings of the Clinton campaign is trying its best to derail the Obama movement by associating him with the statements of Rev. Wright. If what Rev. Wright was saying were lies, I, too, would condemn him. However, what he says about America is true. I believe he condemns America because he loves America. A father who loves his children will condemn their actions when their actions are detrimental to themselves or to society. Moreover, we would call a father "irresponsible" if he knowingly allowed his children to go astray. Love means speaking out and condemning that which is wrong. Conversely, not speaking out against what we see as being wrong shows a lack of love.
I am a proud Black Vietnam veteran and I served this great country honorably for over twenty-one years. I love America, but I also recognize its shortcomings in dealing with people of color and countries where the people are of color. So much is being said about remarks made by Rev. Wright, a former United States Marine, and the pastor of Senator Obama's church. Rev. Wright says that the American Government allows drugs to be brought into this country by Whites, sold to Blacks, especially Black youths, and then lock the Blacks up for using drugs. That is factual. Blacks don't have the capabilities for bringing drugs into this country in volume. They don't own the ships or aircrafts used in the drug trade. Building prisons and maintaining prisons is a very profitable business - as long as the prison population is made up of people of color. Rev. Wright also speaks out against the war in Iraq calling it an "Illegal War started on lies." Again, that is factual. There were no weapons of mass destruction found or nuclear programs in Iraq. Yet, almost 4,000 American men and women have died because of the lies. If we invaded Iraq and found out that we were misinformed, why did we not own up to our mistakes; give the people of Iraq resources to rebuild what we had destroyed, admitted our mistakes and left? Are we remaining there because it is making some American companies rich and if we stay long enough, maybe we will eventually get control of their oil and the oil or Iran? Tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis have died from our bombs, but we call them "collateral casualties" or "Collateral damage." Yet, when Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma Federal Building bomber, used the same phrase when referring to the innocent victims of his terrorist act, we thought he was barbaric. He learned his tactics from having served in the U. S. Army in the first Gulf war. We never called him a "White terrorist" or a "Protestant terrorist" as we label the bombers of 9/11 "Islamic terrorists." I wonder why not? They both took innocent lives!
We went into Vietnam on lies, which caused the lives of over 58,000 U. S. servicemen and over 330,000 wounded. It is reported that between 1.4 to 4 million civilians lost their lives' in that war which began on lies by then President Johnson of our U. S. Navy destroyers attacked.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War
Should America or Americans be proud of that war or the present war in Iraq? Certainly not, and when someone, such as Rev. Wright, condemns our actions, don't get bent out of shape over Rev. Wright; get bent out of shape over our actions worldwide. Don't kill the messenger; make sure the message is changed through positive actions. Obama can and will restore the trust that people all over the world once had for America and its people. However, we can't stick our head in the sand and say that they have no right to hate us. Did we not hate Timothy McVeigh? Are we any different from Timothy McVeigh when we bomb cities in Iraq and innocent people die? Are we any different from those who strap explosives to themselves to kill our men and women when we drop bombs on their people from the cockpits of aircrafts high in the sky?
Remember, Jesus spoke out against the leaders of His day; He condemned his country for its sins, "Woe unto you...." He said over and over. How did the leaders respond? They twisted his words, framed him, and executed him. We could refer to his death as a "lynching on a Friday." If He were here as a man today, He would be echoing the words of Rev. Wright, and we would be trying to lynch him by the press just as we are trying to lynch Senator Obama using the words of Rev. Wright. If the press wins and causes Senator Obama to not win the nomination or lose the primary election, America will lose; the world will lose. Senator John McCain can carry out his desire to "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb ; Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran" and all the other countries that disagree with America's policies. We can bomb our way into World War III. At least Senator McCain will help us to solve all of our problems, because there won't be enough people left on the earth to have significant problems. You can have Senator McCain, one whom I respect greatly for his service and sacrifice, but whom I believe will lead this country and the world into the "Book of Revelation (Armageddon)." Is that scare rendering such as what Bush , Chaney, and McCain use so skillfully? No, that is "truth rendering", and there is a difference between the two. If we don't change our ways and policies about the way we treat people worldwide, "The chicken will continue coming home to roost."

CWO3, USN (Retired)

Posted by: claw0341 | March 17, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Geraldine Ferraro's comments were benign compared to that lunatic preacher. There is absolutely no comparison and everyone knows that Ms. Ferraro is not a racist. And it may be true, Obama's multi racial background has helped him to a certain extent.
However, after watching Reverend Wright's sermons, there can be no question that his comments reeked of racism, as well as a deep hatred for our country.
What is being preached in that church is dangerous and divisive.

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

!!!!!!!!!!IT is about JUDGEMENT!!!!!!!!!


Rezko, Farkhan, Michelle and Wright are just 2 examples of his bad judgment, his opposition to Iraq war was not a vote,


!!!!!!!!!!IT is about JUDGEMENT!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!God knows what NEXT!!!!!!

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

!!!!!!!!!!IT is about JUDGEMENT!!!!!!!!!


Rezko and Wright are just 2 examples of his bad judgment, his opposition to Iraq war was not a vote,


!!!!!!!!!!IT is about JUDGEMENT!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!God knows what NEXT!!!!!!

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

An old proverb:

"A man is known by the company he keeps".

A 20 year relationship is not for naught.....

Posted by: syeo | March 17, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

!!!!!!!!!!IT is about JUDGEMENT!!!!!!!!!


Rezko and Wright are just 2 examples of his bad judgment, his opposition to Iraq war was not a vote,


!!!!!!!!!!IT is about JUDGEMENT!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!God knows what NEXT!!!!!!

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Interesting how the "new" pastor sounds much like the "old" pastor. How will Obama spin that?
Also interesting that he would reference Dr. King's murder. Dr. King's dream did not include this kind of hateful rhetoric. I think he would be saddened to know that his "dream" now sounds like a nightmare!


!!!!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

If they look past the color of his skin, I think AAs will agree that Obama is hardly anything like them. He might have been brought up by a single parent, but that parent was well educated and loving. He grew up in a loving family, went to a prestigious private high school in a racially integrated, multicultural state (Hawaii), attended an Ivy League college and Law School, married a graduate of Ivy League school, earned a good living and lived in a multi-million dollar home.

What I really don't like about Obama, is, not just his inexperience, but also his hypocrisy, which has surfaced time and time again.

Obama embraced Rev. Wright's church when it was politically expedient to do so and has now rejected and repudiated his mentor/pastor when it is similarly politically expedient to do so.

Obama is simply not the post-partisan, post-racial divide candidate he has been advertising himself to be. If Obama gets the nomination, I will settle for another 8 years of a Republican Presidency.

Posted by: alee21 | March 17, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Interesting how the "new" pastor sounds much like the "old" pastor. How will Obama spin that?
Also interesting that he would reference Dr. King's murder. Dr. King's dream did not include this kind of hateful rhetoric. I think he would be saddened to know that his "dream" now sounds like a nightmare!


!!!!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

If you vote for Barry Hussien, you are giving his "Cult" to rule this nation.

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

***ebubuk2004***

Please stop posting, we get your point, you don't like Obama...

Posted by: userdroid | March 17, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

If you vote for Barry Hussien, you are giving his "Cult" rule this nation.

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

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When Senator Obama's preacher thundered about racism and injustice Obama suffered smear-by-association. But when Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr.

Read more:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committe_b_91774.html

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Posted by: voteonpaper | March 17, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I used to enjoy reading these posts and even contributing, but the writers have revealed themselves to be, for the most part, repetitive, misinformed, long-winded, hateful and moronic. It's like watching unmonitored children fighting over not enough ice cream. What a bunch of petty trolls.

Posted by: edwcorey | March 17, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

The idea that one should never be angry at one's country is a crock of ignorant garbage. The fact is that only when you care enough to point out the problems at hand, are you helping the country. Blind nationalism leads directly towards fascism (for instance the Bush administration - see: http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14_pts_2.htm ). If you aren't open to hearing about how the US has caused a lot of pain and suffering to people all around the world, I suggest you stay clear of any books on social economics.

Posted by: ramadallama | March 17, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

LOL! I finally remembered Where I saw the Obama Act, and who he reminds me of!

The Snake Cult Leader/Snake in "Conan the Barbarian".

One more VERY good reason to allow the Governator to run for the office!

In Case Obasama tries again in 2012! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 17, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Barack boy need some good old wiping

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Watch him work...it will spark discussion in a way that will only benefit his campaign and our country..

Posted by: brian | March 17, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

!!!!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!!!!


All I can say is "Why did Rev. Wright tape those sermons for sale if they weren't important to his message he was trying to spread?" I will never believe that Obama was unaware of this reacist platform. As I also will not believe that Obama did not expect to "repay" with political favors the financial and personal support given to him daily by Tony Rezko

!!!!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

!!!!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!!!!


All I can say is "Why did Rev. Wright tape those sermons for sale if they weren't important to his message he was trying to spread?" I will never believe that Obama was unaware of this reacist platform. As I also will not believe that Obama did not expect to "repay" with political favors the financial and personal support given to him daily by Tony Rezko

!!!!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!


All I can say is "Why did Rev. Wright tape those sermons for sale if they weren't important to his message he was trying to spread?" I will never believe that Obama was unaware of this reacist platform. As I also will not believe that Obama did not expect to "repay" with political favors the financial and personal support given to him daily by Tony Rezko

!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Billy Graham said such nice things about Jewish people, but he's okay with every President in the last fifty years...he don't scare the white folks...Rev. Wright does, despite the fact that what Billy Graham said sounds more like Lewis Farrahkan and worse than anything Wright said.

Posted by: brian | March 17, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Can Barack Obama deliver speeches regarding race unlike Hillary Clinton without being accused of playing the race card?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1891


.

Posted by: jeffboste | March 17, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama represents hate you can believe in

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I truly hope and wish all of you posting to read up on the facts from the Congressional Record:
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/r110query.html

If you have the time to read this post and other articles then you have the time to read from the record. After reading, all candidates are honest, caring, forgiving, and corrupt. The question is:

1. Who is for the people, by the people, of the United States?

2. Who can lead us out of the "politics as usual" and change the way politics are handled?

3. Who can ask where's the GDP of 300 trillion is going if only 1 trillion is going to a war that the Iraqi citizens needed (remember the man in the plastic shredder)?

4. Which candidate has the constitution to face hard questions and make good judgment calls based on little to no information?

Read the facts, ignore the opinions.

Posted by: userdroid | March 17, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

All I can say is "Why did Rev. Wright tape those sermons for sale if they weren't important to his message he was trying to spread?" I will never believe that Obama was unaware of this reacist platform. As I also will not believe that Obama did not expect to "repay" with political favors the financial and personal support given to him daily by Tony Rezko

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

why are Ferraro and Wright mentioned in the same sentence.
Ferraro was not being hateful and racist.
The press just can't stand being caught with their bias toward Obama finally coming out.

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

why are Ferraro and Wright mentioned in the same sentence.
Ferraro was not being hateful and racist.
The press just can't stand being caught with their bias toward Obama finally coming out.

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

It is a sad commentary that Obama has to disown his 20 year old church and pastor. This church and the pastor Wright gave a "local habitation and name" to Obama. It made him what he became before running for the Presidency. Now Obama has to publicly tell degrading things about the pastor and the quintessential black church in America. Obama should have used his eloquence and poetry in speech to talk about what goes inside a black church on Sunday's cherished and electric hour of segregation. Shame on you Barack Obama. If the African American population has any decency they should reject him.
He is just an opportunist.

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

To be fair, Obama would make an excellent replacement for Reverend Wright!

Posted by: trace-sc | March 17, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

It is a sad commentary that Obama has to disown his 20 year old church and pastor. This church and the pastor Wright gave a "local habitation and name" to Obama. It made him what he became before running for the Presidency. Now Obama has to publicly tell degrading things about the pastor and the quintessential black church in America. Obama should have used his eloquence and poetry in speech to talk about what goes inside a black church on Sunday's cherished and electric hour of segregation. Shame on you Barack Obama. If the African American population has any decency they should reject him.
He is just an opportunist.

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I still can't get over how little some people in this country know about the black community...I bet everyone on this blog knows someone close to them that has said as bad or worse...what does that make you? And besides the guy's whiter than Obama...look at him!

Posted by: brian | March 17, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Alot of people question Obama's stance about America when is comes to Rev Wright. We should question anyone who mentions the name of Ronald Reagan, after the Iran Contra Conflict. I bet Rev. Wright has never imported DRUGS FOR GUNS. GOOGLE IT.

Posted by: jwilliamson25 | March 17, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

!!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!!

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

!!!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

slavicdiva,

go back to whatever communist country you hail from...we don't need anymore stupid people here. we've go enough (see trace-sc, ebubuk, PatickNYC, svread, etc etc).

THANKS!

Posted by: jkallen001 | March 17, 2008 04:48 PM
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If we disagree with you and the Obamheads we are commies, that's pretty funny.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | March 17, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

!!!Shame on you Barack Obama!!!

Bad boy need good spanking from HRC

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

.........Shame on you Barack Obama!!!!!

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

slavicdiva,

go back to whatever communist country you hail from...we don't need anymore stupid people here. we've go enough (see trace-sc, ebubuk, PatickNYC, svread, etc etc).

THANKS!

Posted by: jkallen001 | March 17, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Shame on you Barack Obama!!!

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama will address the most pressing problem in this nation Race. To their credit L.B.J. and Harry Truman in recent history addressed the symptoms of racial disparity. No other Nation in this world has dealt with Race to the degree as has America. We are decades ahead. Every nation has it's Racial Problem. This is no small task, and no place for novices to venture. This emotional Crown of Thorns requires Truth. Barack Obama is uniquely situated to deal with this,because of his unity abilities, I pray him success. The voters sense this and have backed this unknown with the funny name. This is the 3rd Rail issue of politics that the unqualified would dare not to address except to their peril. The history of America is what it is.

Posted by: dmscontractor | March 17, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama's speech on race will be as credible as Oprah lecturing on the importance of dieting!

Posted by: trace-sc | March 17, 2008 04:40 PM
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Funny how there has been no word from her highness.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | March 17, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"I am going to be talking about not just Reverend Wright, but just the larger issue of race in this campaign, which has ramped up over the last couple of weeks," Obama told reporters.

No, Barack - talk about Rev. Wright, your association of 20 years (not "the last couple of weeks") with him, and your incredulous response to his hate filled sermons.

Posted by: pKrishna43 | March 17, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Shame on you Barack Obama!!

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Is it me or do White Americans not know the history of this country. Politics is not history its confusion. Visit your local book store and buy a history book! Obama is not going to be the first black P.O.T.U.S.A by choice.

Posted by: jwilliamson25 | March 17, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

.........IT is about JUDGEMENT.......


Rezko and Wright are just 2 examples of his bad judgment, his opposition to Iraq war was not a vote,

!!!!!!!!!God knows what NEXT!!!!!!

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama's speech on race will be as credible as Oprah lecturing on the importance of dieting!

Posted by: trace-sc | March 17, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

.........IT is about JUDGEMENT.......


Rezko and Wright are just 2 examples of his bad judgment, his opposition to Iraq war was not a vote,

!!!!!!!!!God knows NEXT!!!!!!

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I am so glad that Obama is going to give a speech about race. It's time that this country has an honest discussion about race. As a 68 year old woman born and raised in the South I can fully understand the anger that reverend Wright has and the point that he was trying to make. I cannot think of anyone that would be better to address this issue is Senator Obama. I think that Obama is the man for this time in our country's history. Obama 08!!

Posted by: christmascarol1 | March 17, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey Debmood - I'll stop racism now - by not voting for the racist Obama.

No racists in the White House!

BTW, I was also raised to know the "n-word" was wrong, hurtful and offensive. I don't use it, not in front of anybody, not even my cats. But I sure have been called the "b-word" enough, just like Hillary.

Just sayin'...

Posted by: slavicdiva | March 17, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

harlemboy,
THE REPUBLICAN ATTACK MACHINE - now let's talk about that, sall we? They have to have their own candidate get his house in order before they can truly attack. Everyone seems to have "cross" to bear". Hilly has Geralidine Ferrara, Obama, has Wright, and McCain has Hagee

"Just last week John McCain said he was "proud" to have the endorsement of scandal-plagued pastor John Hagee, despite Hagee's history of discriminatory comments about women, African Americans, Jewish Americans, Catholics, Muslim Americans, LGBT Americans, and the victims of Hurricane Katrina.

When confronted about Hagee's comments, McCain said only that he does not "support or endorse or agree with some of the things"

It was easy for them to "swiftboat" Kerry - Kerry made it easy and we were innocent as to the degree of nastiness they would resort to.

But with McCain as their candidate, either Obama or Hillary will win, unless it is about race or gender.

So, basically, if you want an old white man as President and to keep Bush taxcuts for the wealthy, and to say in iraq for 100 years, then vote McCain.

If you want the Democratic mafia instead of the Republican mafia, vote for Hillary Clinton. More of the same, only on our side.

If you want real change, real unity, and to RISE ABOVE ALL THIS CR*P that has held us down for ages; if you want a leader with intelligence and true experience at bringing people together ON THE GROUND; if you want to be proud of your country again, if you want to repair our relationships with the global community,if you want to get young people less apatheitc about how our country is run, if you want transparency in government and to have some say as to where YOUR taxes go,
vote for Obama!

Posted by: suesher | March 17, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse


Mr. Obama stayed up writing. More like XEROXING. His usual gig. I want to know how much plagiarizing he did in college!! If his "speeches" are any indication he cheated his way through without a doubt!!

Let's see how many people he plagiarizes in his speech tomorrow. Not that I'll be listen. But someone in the media really should look into it.

There is a Pulitzer in Journalism. I'm not sure any reporters in America are aware of this.

Tell him this one: JOHN ADAMS

"Facts are stubborn things" - Mr. Obama. You can't talk your way into and out of everything. Even though you have gotten away with it so far in your scrawny do little life.

We see you for the tiny person you are. Those of us who AREN'T and WILL NEVER vote for you.


Posted by: Thinker | March 17, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

This issue about racial remarks by Senator Obama's pastor is a spin-off from Geraldine Ferraro's racial remarks. It is nevertheless a good topic to discuss, it is a win-win situation for Senator Obama. His multi-racial support for his bid to become the Democratic nominee is evidence that we have come a long way as a nation. Senator Clinton has not been accuse of being unpatriotic because she now regrets that she voted for the Iraq war. There is something called Freedom of Speech and we do not censor people in this country. These candidates can not always control the behavior of their friends and advisors.

Posted by: felicitymason | March 17, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

What a great spin for the Obama camp. Making Wrights tirades the equivalent of Ferraro's statements! And the press has bought it! Amazing!

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Until you walk in my shoes, you need to sit back and count how many times you use the term "N" in the presence of your children. Reverend Wright put racism back in your faces and you just can't handle the truth.

Reverend Wright blasted America for all of its hatred and killings around the globe and even in Louisiana and you automatically know that he's talking about you (white folks in control). He's talking about our government. America is racist and it continues to practice racism based on skin color. Quit crying and showing your fears of facing the truth. Hit Dogs are Hollering in America! Stop Racism NOW!

Posted by: Debmood | March 17, 2008 04:30 PM

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You know nothing of my truth and I was raised knowing never to use the 'n' word. You can try all you want, Obama screwed up and he's toast.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | March 17, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

As for Obama's claims that he was not aware of the hate that Wright was preaching - well, that is incredible.

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

ARABS do it well, by teaching innocent very young children to hate and become suicide bombers.

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Frankly, I resent the idea that Barack has to distance himself from Reverend Wright beyond saying that he doesn't accept all of his ideas and that one has to begin every criticism of the USA with "I love my country but . . ." Here, let me put on a flag lapel pen as if that meant anything.

Obama should be able to say he listened and accepted some of Wright's ideas and was challenged by those he disagreed with. How many of us would have incompletes on our transcripts if we left the room every time we disagreed with a professor?

Jeremiah Wright is being called a preacher of hate, but there is much more to the man than is shown in the few clips extracted from his sermons. Below is a link to Wright's complete sermon that Obama referenced in the title of his book, "The Audacity of Hope," and here we find a preacher with a vision that even I as an atheist find appealing, I believe this is the side of Reverend Wright that Obama is attached to,

Here's the link: http://www.preachingtoday.com/sermons/sermons/audacityofhope.html

You can also sign up with streamingfaith.com to see several of Reverend Wright's complete sermons. They are quite different from the moments of extreme rhetoric shown on youtube.

Posted by: crspratt | March 17, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama represents hate you can believe in

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

that Obama calls on Americans to reach for the heights!

Posted by: brand1 | March 17, 2008 04:25 PM

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Obama's message of hope and change is just another example of cheap talk.Obama calls on America to reach new heights of hypocracy.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | March 17, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

ebubuk2004 wrote, "It would be like saying someone belonged to the KKK for 20 years, but didn't know what it was all about"

Actually, it would be more like saying that you don't agree with everything your pastor said over the past 20 years, and that you totally reject some of his more outrageous remarks.

Anybody who has ever had a respected pastor, teacher, mentor knows what I mean.

Posted by: tim | March 17, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama has been using the race card from the start.

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Reverend Wright is NOT running for office. As a Catholic, would it be wise of me to think as my now defunct Priest thought about little boys? Should I leave the Catholic Church? No, because I have sense enough to know that I cannot control anybody's thoughts or actions except my own.

Another thing, some all white churches didn't accept black members 20 years ago. Some of you who are posting here attend an all white church in 2008! Black people are NOT in denial about racism. We live it on a daily basis. Until you walk in my shoes, you need to sit back and count how many times you use the term "N" in the presence of your children. Reverend Wright put racism back in your faces and you just can't handle the truth.

Reverend Wright blasted America for all of its hatred and killings around the globe and even in Louisiana and you automatically know that he's talking about you (white folks in control). He's talking about our government. America is racist and it continues to practice racism based on skin color. Quit crying and showing your fears of facing the truth. Hit Dogs are Hollering in America! Stop Racism NOW!

Posted by: Debmood | March 17, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Barry Hussien, Give me my VOTE Back.

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"Harlemboy", above, finds Obama "elitist?!" Forget that Barack has spent a lifetime in service to the common man, is anyone who exhibits his compassion through intelligence and eloquence now to be branded "elitist?" Or, perhaps "Harlemboy" means "elitist" in the most literal sense possible - that Obama calls on Americans to reach for the heights!

Posted by: brand1 | March 17, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

So - Obama says he wants to "talk a little bit about how some of these issues are perceived from within the black church community, for example, which I think views this very differently."

Sounds like Obama believes there is "black truth" and "white truth." Sorry, I don't believe in that. Hate is hate, no matter who preaches it. Obama's pastor spewed hate for this country, and Obama sat there and listened. Why does he want to be president of a country that he and his nasty-mouthed wife so obviously despise? Is this how they thank a country that gave them more opportunities than they would ever have had in "Rev." Wright's beloved motherland of Africa?

Had any pastor at any church I ever attended said any of the things "Rev." Wright said about this country or its citizens, I would have walked out. I would not have stayed for 20 minutes, let alone 20 years. Hatred for others and one's country is not any kind of "value" I was ever taught in any church I attended.

Then Obama can't even answer simple questions about the matter - no, he has to give a speech. He has to figure out what he thinks we want to hear first - he can't answer honestly. Who is going to tell him what to think once he's in the White House? Michelle? Jeremiah Wright?

Go away, Mr. Obama. This country you hate is happy to return the favor.

Posted by: slavicdiva | March 17, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Harlemboy's comments are exactly why people are flocking to Obama. Win at all costs, slash, and burn tactics, swift boating that makes the Republican's seem like amateurs, race bating, everything in the kitchen sink, it is old politics, it is old school, it is Hillary.

To really understand Reverend Wright's sermon you have to be Christian, from a Charismatic or Pentecostal denomination and preached a spirit-filled sermon to an anointed congregation as a pastor, or lay person. What you are hearing is the exception, not the rule. It is no more offensive than the rhetoric coming from the far left or far right. That also includes feminists who think like Ms Ferraro.

Personally, I have accepted Obama's explanation and his renouncement of what was said by Wright. There is no doubt that what Reverend Wright said was racist, anti-American, and wrong. It was said in a moment of anger, rage, and loosening of repressed feelings.

So what is the difference between the two candidates? Not much in the way of the political programs. Now character and honesty is another issue. I am tired of the knockdown brawling the Clintons are so famous for. I am tired of Hillary's camp lobbing the first stink bomb and then wining foul when they are called about it. It is time for real change. It is time for Obama.

Posted by: dana23 | March 17, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me if he did not generally care about this issue he would have just let it die. The pattern of racial tension in this campaign has become overwhelming and it is time the candidates address it head on.

I'm looking forward to what he has to say. He is not running or hiding from the issue. We shall see how much of a uniter he truly is. Either way it is only good for America.

Posted by: brian | March 17, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

>>When 50+1% vote for HRC, you are RACIST!

Oh no, no, dear ebubuk2004. Not racist, just gullible as the day is long, that's all. Let's return to Clintonland, together, shall we? Just without the tech bubble to buoy the economy this time. What Fun!

Oh, and... where ARE those tax returns, anyhow?

Posted by: biomuse | March 17, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Again, another example as to why he is the best Leader of this Ctry....Here is a man doing things differently than what has been done in the past, and Americans who are not in stride with it are having a problem.....So, the question that needs to be answered now is.....Do we as a Nation decide to Go forward and have things done differently in Washington so that we as a Ctry can survive and compete with the rest of the World....OR...... Do we choose to have the same politicans in there tied to the Lobbyists....(MCcain/Clinton), and then scream after they get into Office about how bad it is, and nothing changes in Washington......It is in our hands.....what do you chose? That is the question!!!

Posted by: Hheeaatt | March 17, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

If anyone has any doubts about Obama, they should read his books. He is the only hope for this country.

Posted by: LEFTYLADIG | March 17, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

If anyone has any doubts about Obama, they should read his books. He is the only hope for this country.

Posted by: LEFTYLADIG | March 17, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse


Obama is an exceptional person, and he has to deal with this problem. however, based on Mr Wright's remarks, I think most of them are TRUE...Look at the devastation in Iraq, socially. physically and emotionaly. The CIA movement has corrupted the whole world. They have caoused oppression and domination, and falsely implying that they are spreading democracy, and liberation. All of you guys writing needs to look carefully at the FACTS. Mr Wright has freedom of expression, and his words are directed towards a regime. like Bush's administration and the rest of them.. The whole WORLD hates us. So who caused this.?? These remarks are blown out of proportion....Why now????/

Posted by: daxjen13 | March 17, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

ebubuk2004 is using Barack's middle name as a weapon against him. What ebubuk2004 does'nt know is that a search on the Web
will return a couple of pedophiles and killers who have the same first name, middle name or last name as ebubuk2004's real name. If ebubuk2004 doubts to be one of these bad guys, then why is ebubuk2004 thinking that Barack's middle make him a bad guy?

Posted by: Logan6 | March 17, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I was troubled by the comments of the pastor but I was struck dumb and frightened to see his 6,000 member congregation jumping up and down and cheering his remarks

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

So, he thinks he can use that magic tongue, to re-bamboozle people he bamboozled to start with. Good Luck!

Posted by: autowx | March 17, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama claiming he was unaware of the preaching of "rev" Wright, is very hard to believe. It would be like saying someone belonged to the KKK for 20 years, but didn't know what it was all about and trying to say they did not agree with the groups beliefs. Yeah Right !
Obama should resign from the race.

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I do not think Rev. Wright will have much of an impact on the campaign. I do not think that Wright would get many votes across the nation, but he's not on the ticket. Americans vote for the person on the top of the ticket. Americans don't vote for President based on the VP choice, middle names or pastor's comments. This makes good fodder for political tv and talk shows, but is unlikely to have much of a lasting effect.

Obama's speech in Pennsylvania is what people are going to judge him by. This will be Obama's first opportunity to confront the race issue head-oin in this campaign. It has the potential to be a turning point and either a big positive or negative for the campaign. I look forward to see what he does with this chance.

Posted by: bryan | March 17, 2008 04:10 PM
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You are so wrong about us not caring, I will not listen to a word he ever says again. He has lost my respect, my trust and my vote.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | March 17, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Rev. Wright is most definitely a rascist, and is still living in the sixties era. I found it curious as I watched members of hius congregation clapping and applauding as he demeaned our country. They obviously forgot that the reason they are able to express those outrageous comments, is many who came before them sacrificed and died for that right, and to be sure so did many blacks.

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I see many Americans still have not come to grips with racism. Many presidents through out history have had questionable morals and many have never come close to being perfect but none of them had race as their biggest issue.

America, you have some explaining to do! What are you afraid of? Truth be told, I believe race has far to much influence on some of the petty issues you believe are important.

Posted by: s.p.hellon | March 17, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I think it is fair to be open minded about people's experiences in our country. As a white woman, I realize that blacks may have an entirely different experience growing up and in the reactions from white people based on their skin color. Do I like the hate speech? No. But it sure sounded like the Amens were quite loud. It could be that whites are completely unaware of the anger and isolation blacks may be experiencing?

I want to see if Obama has the strength and fighting spirit to fight his way out of this controversy and convince us that he rejects hate in general. Nonetheless, I realize that growing up, he may have felt more marginalized than my 8 year old sun will feel.
If he can convince me that this background of his will not cloud his judgement in our country's affairs, I will vote for him.

Posted by: elanafedor | March 17, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

For everything there is a time and a season...

There is a purpose within all things and this controversy with Rev. Wright is a timely opportunity for Barack Obama to address the racial divide in this country. We have buried our heads on this topic for so long and the festering wounds will continue to ooze until sincere and meaningful healing takes place. Barack Obama by Universal Design is positioned perfectly to do so. You were born to both black and white parents therefore, you ought to impress upon America that any notion of denying either race would be an act of denying thine own self.

It is time to shine a light upon the darkness of our misconceptions and fears regarding race, as most whites feel that because slavery is over, black folks ought to "get over it". Unfortunately, it is not that simple, as the scars cut deeply in the soul of the black race. It is somewhat like a child who has endured abuse in his upbringing, and will invariably grow up to continue the cycle of abuse with his own children which will continue until he seeks therapy to help him understand the conditioned nature of his behavior.

The anger of many blacks is a legitimate response to the pain still lingering in our hearts.... America has yet to apologize to the black race for it's history of abuse. We cannot change the past but we must find the most valuable way of transforming the pain and anger to forgiveness and a love for the self.

I ask Mr. Obama to embrace what has come to light as this opportunity may not come again for quite sometime. I ask that you assemble an experienced panel of psychiatrists, sociologists, behavioral therapists and other brilliant minds to try and help explain to white America and blacks as well, the lingering consequences of centuries of mental, physical, emotional and psychological abuse on the black psyche. We seek understanding, not anger... we seek compassion not pity. We ask to show us the ways to love ourselves as we have been programmed for inferiority and self-hate.

May Divine Light guide us to a place of healing and grace...

Posted by: nerakami | March 17, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

CAN YOU SAY "SMOKE SCREEN"

NO BODY CARES WHAT OBAMA HAS TO SAY ANYMORE, HE'S A RACIST LYING PIG !! HE SHOULD BE FORCED TO STEP DOWN FROM THE POLITICAL RACE. THATS WHAT THEY WOULD MAKE A WHITE MAN DO !!

Posted by: jmj350 | March 17, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Bravo Barack! The topic of this speech is exactly what was needed at this point in the campaign.


Posted by: Logan6 | March 17, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

When 50+1% whites vote for HRC, you are RACIST!

When 90% Blacks vote for Barry Hussien, called PRIDE!

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I think America at large has a very limited view of African Americans voices in this country. America doesnt realize that particular in a society that did not allow blacks to vote, ride buses, or eat at counters just in the 60s, that ill feelings still resonate in many African American communities in the Country. Doesnt make it right, but it does make it reality. The reason is that although many Americans work, play, and converse now with African Americans, very few relatively still try to get to know them on a more intimate level. This Presidential election has shown the ugly and still segegrated America, not in material terms, moreover in the more cynical...the mind. Many non-minority Americans were appauled by Jermiah Wrights comments, as were many African Americans and others. The difference is that if you YouTube or listen to voices in many minority US communities African American and Latino, Jermiah Wright's comments are ones that are heard throughout. African Americans were appauled but not suprised. The fact is that Obama has as much control of the voices and sentiments from some of those in some minority communities as someone over 50 coming from Hippie Bay Area California, or Bill Clinton with the opinions of many KKK regions of the Ozarks and ArkLaTex where he comes from. Out the ashes comes the Phoenix. Many of us who have grown up in these polarized areas of America understand the fabric. You can be from a society, yet not let those negative elements of that society define you. What has happen is that this Election has made America come out of its hole, from out of its coffee shops, and face the issue it has never daunting wanted to face ...Race. The fact that many although proud of the US, have very serious issues with the way they have been treated, or preceived from their mind disconnected from the American Dream. Like I said it doesnt make it right...It makes it reality. As long as we are ready to draw sides,and play down voices, and return negative tones with those we disagree with, we all as proud Americans will never resolve the real issues that draws us a apart in order for us all to shape and form a more perfect Union.

Posted by: domingaux | March 17, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

When 50+1% vote for HRC, you are RACIST!

When 90% Blacks vote for Barry Hussien, called PRIDE!

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I do not think Rev. Wright will have much of an impact on the campaign. I do not think that Wright would get many votes across the nation, but he's not on the ticket. Americans vote for the person on the top of the ticket. Americans don't vote for President based on the VP choice, middle names or pastor's comments. This makes good fodder for political tv and talk shows, but is unlikely to have much of a lasting effect.

Obama's speech in Pennsylvania is what people are going to judge him by. This will be Obama's first opportunity to confront the race issue head-oin in this campaign. It has the potential to be a turning point and either a big positive or negative for the campaign. I look forward to see what he does with this chance.

Posted by: bryan | March 17, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh and one more item for your list, madcowdisease:

Where are the Clintons' TAX RETURNS???

Posted by: biomuse | March 17, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Reverend Jeremiah Wright's rabid anti-American, anti-white rhetoric and Obama's ill-considered association with the Reverend's church for 20 years are fast turning the Democratic contest (and the presidential election if Obama is the Democratic nominee) into an unspoken referendum on race, which is unfortunate.

But I am not concerned about Mr. Obama's so-called "race" (he has none). He is bi-racial; his "blackness" is the result of his conscious attempt to find a racial identity with a race. Whether that attempt had come about as a result of genuine personal need to belong to a community or political calculation to further his personal ambition remains to be seen (or to be debated by future historians).

Unlike most "mono-racial" people who are tossed into a racial basket from the day one, bi-racial people have to consciously decide (or not decide) on their racial identity, yet never being completely comfortable about their decisions. Mr. Obama is no different (in fact some black accuse him of his "fake blackness," which undoubtedly angers him, but deep down in his heart he knows his identity will always be an attempt). Thus, people who talk about Mr. Obama being black or people who see his bi-racial background as a symbol of racial unity are both wrong. Mr. Obama, in spite of his political posturing and formal identity with black community, is really his own man, his own "race," wherein lies the hope and danger of Barack Obama.

The hope, of course, is that he genuinely believes (his association with Rev Wright notwithstanding) that he can help bring about greater racial harmony and unity to this country (the altruistic vision quest thing); the danger is that he is using all this racial wishful thinking to further his own personal ambition that has more to do with his search for fulfilling his self needs (the ego trip thing, with Rev Wright and his congregation being just a means to his ambition, although now having outlived their usefulness a bit too long).

My concern is Mr. Obama the man, not his race, and on this account, as I watch him closely, particularly his body language and manner of speech (which actually reveal more about a person's psychological makeup than what one says in public), unfortunately I am more convinced than ever that he is on the trip rather than on the quest. Undoubtedly he is a man of great intelligence, full of moral indignation and idealistic utterances, not unlike the now disgraced Eliot Spitzer, but also of great cunning with compulsive need for personal power. He belongs to a rare breed of men who can look into your eyes with not the slightest flutter of his eyelids while telling you lies quoting the Holy Scriptures (no, there is no point in talking about his being a Moslem, Christian, etc; he is his own religion)

Barack Obama publicly confessed last Friday night. He confessed in front of a TV audience that he had never seen his spiritual mentor, Rev Wright, going into his rabid anti-American tirade in 20 years of his association with the Reverend until he saw him on TV a few days ago. Realistically, one cannot credibly argue, even if he is a top-notch lawyer like Mr. Obama, to be a member of a church, located a short driving distance away from where he lived for most of the 20 years he had been a member, actively assisting its proselytizing efforts with large financial contributions (to the tune of $22,500 in 2006 alone), by professing not to know what the church's pastor had been saying much of the time.

Unless Mr. Obama can prove that Rev Wright customized his sermons on the days Mr. Obama was in attendance ("Oh, Barack is in the pews, I'd better tone down today"), this is outright fraud, or to be more charitable, an attempt at such; an attempt no less phony than a man who lived next to an active railroad track for 20 years claiming to have heard no trains passing by. The guilt by association? Absolutely; the trains went by him every day.

Last Friday night Mr. Obama confessed: He is a liar. As he spoke to millions of Americans, his eyes were looking straight into the camera, with not a flutter on his eyelids. This man is not a visionary, not a uniter as he claims, but another overambitious public figure in search of personal power at people's expense, undoubtedly more intelligent, more convincing; thus, more dangerous.

Hopefully what Abraham Lincoln once said will become the parting epitaph for Mr. Obama's attempt at his ego-fulfillment as pubic service before it is too late for America:

"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time."

Posted by: GeorgePS | March 17, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

He should have taken VP spot.

Barry Hussien is done

Posted by: ebubuk2004 | March 17, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

harlemboy: You claim that Obama supporters are, "...willfully ignorant of Obama's disturbing shortcomings." I could reply that Clinton's supporters are just as "willfully ignorant" and delusional of her prospects of winning the Democratic nomination. He is ahead on all counts except super delegates and even that is eroding daily. For example, Obama recieved another endorsement today.

As for your thoughts on the "elitist" nature of Senator Obama, does it get any more elitist (and arrogant) than Senator Clinton? Senator Clinton's arrogance is appaling. Here are a few examples of this:

1) Clinton's arrogance led to the downfall of her campaign. She ran short of money following Super Tuesday because she thought the nomination would be hers by then. Her calculus did not include a competitive race where she would have to earn the nomination. Instead, she felt the nomination was owed to her like some sort of entitlement. Is this the sort of judgement experience gets you?

2) Clinton's initial decision to support the DNC's sanction's of Florida and Michigan were borne of arrogance. She was okay with discounting the votes in Michigan and Florida until she found herself losing. Now she strongly wishes to have these delegates seated as is, without a new primary or caucus, again, because it suits her needs. She does not have the best interest of voters in mind and she is not worried about disenfranchising anyone. What she is worried about is her own "entitlement" to the U.S. Presidency.

3) Clinton's approach to diplomacy is just as cocky and reprehensible. The strategy spanning the last couple of White House administrations has been to only negotiate with foreign leaders with pre-conditions. We see how well this has worked. Clinton promises to continue this. Again, this is an arrogant approach to human relations.

Now Clinton is willing to do whatever it takes to win the nomination because she cannot do so in any self-resptive way. See the increasingly sexist and racist tone of her surrogates (e.g., Ferraro) for a good example.

We are all, each one of us, a collection of the best parts of each person we have met in our lives. This is what Hope is all about. This is what Obama speaks of when he speaks of hope. Having hope means believing that people are capable of good things, despite the negative messages that surround us at times. Hope is not fighting tooth and nail to get ahead. Hope is the creation of consensus to move ahead without having to resort to "tooth and nail" tactics. Hope is what keeps our dreams alive against life's negativities. Say no to arrogance, cynisism, and hatred.

To answer your question on whether an Obama supporter would work with, "...Republicans, fundamentalist Christians, pro-war Democrats, even Hillary Clinton herself," the answer is a simple yes. Obama's campaign is all about unity.

On a final note, a large majority of Obama backers are well-educated, so please stop portraying us as mindless. And, yes, I am one of those Latino voters that you claim Obama is having a hard time reaching.

Posted by: jone775 | March 17, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

With the current economic crisis in full swing, Obama chooses to address this comparatively irrelevant stuff (that can wait a few days) on the same day the Fed will most likely drop interest rates a 3/4 to 1 point (adding to the fall of the dollar and setting the stage for more rises in oil prices and further economic decline)????

All this after the Fed took historic steps(and probably ineffective ones in the long run) to buy Bear Sterns junk, and announced their intention to buy everone elses junk and bail out the people who caused the sub-prime disaster!!!!

You Obamabots don't really get what any of that is all about do you? Obama apparently does not either.

Obama has a perfect chance to outline his economic vision about what he is going to do if he inherits this mess. Of course, he does not because he has no better clue about what to do than Bush does.

Wasn't 8 years of a lightweight enough? Now you want to nominate another one?

Posted by: plaza04433 | March 17, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse


Obama SO PREFERS SPEECHES

That way he DOESN'T HAVE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS

WE CAN SEE THROUGH YOU MR. OBAMA

YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND THIS

YOU'RE IN A BUSH-TYPE DELUSION OF GRANDEUR

YOU ARE NO ONE TO US - JUST A WANNABE

Posted by: Thinker | March 17, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the ONLY choice. Hope will win oyt in the end. Pushing Hillary through just because you think she has a better chance at winning? If that happens it will destroy race relations for a long time.

Posted by: rjbullen | March 17, 2008 03:58 PM
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Race relations were set back when this story broke. Thanks Obama. Hope asnd change just left the room and racism came back in big time.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | March 17, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama's mother was white - he was very close with her by everyone's accounts. His half sister is asian and he is close with her as well. If he had married a latino or hispanic woman, he would have the 'ultimate mix' of heritages for this campaign. How anyone could think he is racist defies logic. If you know anything about the history of the black church in america, its political/social progress roots (we wouldn't have had a civil rights movement without it), you would understand Rev. Wright's viewpoint. That being said, Sen. Obama repudiates all incendiary remarks by all that divide us and that is enough for me. I didn't see this kind of hostility towards racist/homophobic/anti-feminist/anti-semetic/anti other religions not our own, and other hurtful comments by religious leaders actively supporting other candidates past and present. Enough nonsense! Sign me 'white middle aged woman who supports Obama'.

Posted by: beaujolie | March 17, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Thinker doesn't think

Posted by: rjbullen | March 17, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse


DUMMIECRATS FOR OBAMA

GRAB YOUR KOOL AID AND WATCH HIM PRETEND HE IS PRESIDENT.

NO ONE ELSE WILL BE WATCHING HIS PRIME TIME "EXCUSE"

DUCK - HERE COMES HIS NOSE !!!

Posted by: Thinker | March 17, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

man there is a string of hateful posturing going on here. Its a little disturbing.

Posted by: Annie11 | March 17, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

As soon as the new polls come out after the Wright business came out show how much Obama drops dems will rally around Hillary.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | March 17, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama's grand plan to put his SUPER dirty laundry out on Friday and have it gone by Monday is BACK FIRING.

Now he thinks he's going to come on TV like he thinks he's the freaking President already and he's going to TELL US WHAT TO THINK.

Well - we're not all Obamabots ! Quick - someone tell him about the 55%+ of Americans who DON'T LIKE HIM, much less BELIEVE him.

He's looking too much like BUSH to miss it!!!

Believe all I tell you. I live in a bubble of BELIEVE ME. Reality is amiss - I will tell you what to believe Obamabots. Follow me - I am the Pied Piper of Obamaland.

He's a nut - his nose is a mile long and he thinks we don't see it. Oh yeah, this guy should be leading the free world alright. High on those drugs still Mr. Obama?

Looks like it.

Posted by: Thinker | March 17, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the ONLY choice. Hope will win oyt in the end. Pushing Hillary through just because you think she has a better chance at winning? If that happens it will destroy race relations for a long time.

Posted by: rjbullen | March 17, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Looks like his answer to republican smears will be to write and deliver speeches addressing the issues in detail. If only more americans had the attention span to listen to entire speeches and the thoughtfulness to form their own opinions. But if anyone can hold america's addled attention, he can. Hope he pulls it off. We'll all be better for it.

Posted by: queueing2000 | March 17, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Obama Man! You talk we listen. Mesmerized, wide-eyed, salivating at boy wonder's every word. Obama Man is as silky as honey. The sweetness of his smile pervades my every pore. I anxiously await Obama Man's parable of race. Only Obama Man can free us from our inner racist oppressor...

I DON'T THINK SO!!! I can do my own rationalization of the problem. It don't take a GENIUS to understand that OBAMA MAN is trying to spin this Sh*** as fast as he can. I'm not buying. Words do matter!

Posted by: mpespiet.livingstone | March 17, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama's grand plan to put his SUPER dirty laundry out on Friday and have it gone by Monday is BACK FIRING.

Now he thinks he's going to come on TV like he thinks he's the freaking President already and he's going to TELL US WHAT TO THINK.

Well - we're not all Obamabots ! Quick - someone tell him about the 55%+ of Americans who DON'T LIKE HIM, much less BELIEVE him.

He's a nut - his nose is a mile long and he thinks we don't see it. Oh yeah, this guy should be leading the free world alright. High on those drugs still Mr. Obama?

Looks like it.


Posted by: Thinker | March 17, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama for President of the UNITED States of America.

Posted by: PulSamsara | March 17, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama has consistantly been a force to unite the Democratic Party. He has even caused some cross over from the Republicans. Why is that? I suspect it is because of his leadership style. It take great self-control to keep from stuping down to the other candidates negative stances. No shame here. Obama wasn't always my choice but as this campaign progresses I become more and more convinced that he is the leader we need NOW. Some of his distractors have even begun echoing his messages in an attempt to claim those messages as their own.

Posted by: dmcdan6874 | March 17, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

One more thing: Obama's church removed their video of the Wright/Farrakhan award from YouTube.

Posted by: thetruth31 | March 17, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

As a lifelong Democrat I want to win the WH. It doesn't matter what Obama's relationship with Rev. Wright is. What matters is that the Republican Swift boater types will use the statements and the fact that he was Obama's spiritual mentor and pound that home to as many people as possible from now to the election. And it will work. There are just too many undecided people that will be swayed and it will tip the election to McCain. I hate to say it but I think unless the Dems go with Hillary they'll lose the WH for sure.

Posted by: pchase908 | March 17, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Attn. overtly verbose poster: Exceedingly long manifesto-like postings go unread for the most part. Creative writing (thus successful communication) is all about using language with brevity and celerity.

Posted by: rob2007 | March 17, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse


TWENTY YEARS IN THE PEW - NEVER LISTENED. DID HE LISTEN IN COLLEGE?

NAFTA WINK-WINK - HE DIDN'T KNOW.

REZKO - HE DIDN'T KNOW

AFGHANISTAN COMMITTEE FOR FOURTEEN MONTHS - OVER A YEAR AND NO MEETINGS - OUR TROOPS ARE STILL WAITING FOR CHANGE - HE WAS "TOO BUSY" WITH HIS OWN LIFE

REZKO MONEY. FIRST HE SAYS 125,000 THEN 150,000 NOW LAST WEEK HE SAY $250,000

MR OBAMA'S NOSE IS GROWING AND HE DOESN'T THINK WE SEE IT!!!

SOMEONE QUICK, TELL HIM - HE ISN'T PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!!!

SPARE US!!

Posted by: Thinker | March 17, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama at least is open to answer the lies and smears which come from Penn and Wolfson in the Clinton Team on behalf of Hilary, anything but Policy!

These constant personal attacks from Hilary and Team could just come back on them and they may live to regret that soon after the campaign started well for them they choose to run a derisive campaign. Voters should be given more credit by Hilary they are starting to see this is all she has to offer, is that a future President, NO!

Posted by: jaybs1 | March 17, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse


OBAMA THINKS HE CAN TALK HIMSELF OUT OF ANYTHING !!!

AND EVERYTHING !!

AND INTO THE WHITE HOUSE WITH OTHER PEOPLES FAMOUS WORDS, DEEDS AND SPEECHES.

AND EVEN THE NAME OF HIS BOOK CAME FROM HIS "SPIRITUAL MENTOR" REV. WRIGHT.

MR. OBAMA IS ALL EXCUSES, ALL THE TIME. NEVER RESPONSIBLE.

WE'RE JUST GETTING RID OF A GUY LIKE THIS !!

Posted by: Thinker | March 17, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse


Mr. Obama thinks he's going to tell us what to THINK?

I DON'T THINK SO.

Obamabots will listen in... keeping their Kool Aid handy.


If a speech is made in an empty room

And no one hears it

Is it anything at all?


Maybe he'll drag Oprah out with him - like he did when he played the card in the first place.

Save it Obama. No one wants to know. And someone needs to tell you - YOU AREN'T PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

You are so freaking full of yourself. ewwwwww

We WON'T BE TUNING IN... WE'RE TRYING TO TUNE YOU OUT!!!


Posted by: Thinker | March 17, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Rev. Jeremiah Wright gave Louis Farrakhan a Lifetime Achievement Award. Is there anything else that needs to be said? This isn't some little issue that can be explained away with slick political maneuvering, and anyone who accepts such is blindly ignorant. Do some research on Farrakhan. He's evil.

Posted by: thetruth31 | March 17, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad this has to be addressed now, rather than in the general. Really looking forward to this speech--it may be the most important one in years. If Obama can set a course through this minefield that a majority of the black & white communities can accept, he will be the political equivalent of Newton or Einstein.

Posted by: Seytom1 | March 17, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse


Mr. Obama thinks he's going to tell us what to THINK?

I DON'T THINK SO.

Obamabots will listen in... keeping their Kool Aid handy.


If a speech is made in an empty room

And no one hears it

Is it anything at all?


Maybe he'll drag Oprah out with him - like he did when he played the card in the first place.

Save it Obama. No one wants to know. And someone needs to tell you - YOU AREN'T THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

You are so freaking full of yourself. ewwwwww

Posted by: Thinker | March 17, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Now we can see why his wife hates America and calls Americans "sloths" and says we are all "mean". They are disgusting and he should never be President of a country he apparently has so much disdain for.

If he didn't pick up something form his insipid preacher over 20 years of going to that church it is apparent his wife did.

To bad we had the media pushing their own agaenda for so long and only now are we finding this out.
The democrats will never win the white house back now.

Nobama 08!

Posted by: cleocat | March 17, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I think the media has given too much attention to Rev Wright. Obama cannot take responsibility for the sermons of the Pastor of the church that he attends. He is not in the board of the church neither is he directly or indirectly involved in preparation of church sermons. I'd rather judge Obama on what he says and what he has done and not what his pastor has preached in a church sermon. I attend Church every Sunday and there are some sermons I'd rather not listen to but that doesn't stop me from going to church the next Sunday - I guess that's the way it is with everyone else. We all know how controversial American preachers are and untill now no one has taken their political sermons seriously. Tele-evangelist Pat Robertson (a die-hard supporter of Bush) has made some very incisive comments in the past including enjoining the CIA to assassinate another country's President among several other fierry comments. But no one has impaled Bush for Pat Robertson's comments. I think the Republicans are blowing the Wright sermons out of proportion in order to get at Obama, but I refuse to see any link between the two. Most people are satisfied that Obama has distanced himself from the Pastor's comments.

Posted by: jakes | March 17, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

let's see , Obama will say
"I aligned myself with the Hatefilled Rev. Wright, just to get elected in the majority black district I live in.
Now that Wright can't help me, I'm rejecting him"
Vote for me
the Audicity of Hype!

Posted by: newagent99 | March 17, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

U can throw a kitchen sink, a dumpster , a whole landfill and I will still vote for Obama ! He does unite and not divide. Unless you choose to allow the MSM to make your decisions for you .

Obama 08!

Posted by: soflindie | March 17, 2008 03:27 PM

I don't think it was the MSM...It was one media outlet---ABC---but the story boomeranged all over on Friday after the McCain campaign included a WSJ opinion piece in their morning e-mail to the media, followed by Limbaugh's rants.

Of course, the McCain campaign said it was an "error" to include it...yeah, that's the ticket.

Posted by: flarrfan | March 17, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

An Obama vs McCain race will be refreshingly honest and issue based.

Posted by: nlefevre | March 17, 2008 03:34 PM

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An Obama vs anyone is not going to happen. Hope and change went out the door Obamaheads.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | March 17, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

This race for the presidency should not be about race but about the records of the candidates... And the Clintons are fighting to not release theirs (tax returns, White House records, list of big donors to their foundation). But here are a few facts that should be sources of concern for many voters:

The Clinton foundation received recently a $31.3 million donation after Bill expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader's, undercuting both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights:

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

In january 2008, the Clintons received $20 million from business deals with Dubai in the Middle East:

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/22/bill-clinton-severs-ties-_n_82616.html

Shortly after beeing pardonned by President Clinton, fugitive financier Marc Rich had his ex-wife giving $400 000 to the Clintons library foundation:

Source: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,98756,00.html

We need the Clintons to release their records so that the voters can consider all facts before the nomination.

When the Clintons' supporters will be able to explain why Clintons are figthing to not release their records, then I will take them serioulsly. When the Clintons' supporters will be able to align facts instead of assumptions, then I will take them serioulsly.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 17, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

It is interesting how the same people that were saying Obama is a muslim are now saying he is a Christian from a radical afro-centrist church.

As usual, Senator Obama is facing the attacks head on and promptly. Like John McCain, he is a man who knows who he is and is comfortable in his own skin. An Obama vs McCain race will be refreshingly honest and issue based.

Posted by: nlefevre | March 17, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

When Senator Obama's preacher thundered about racism and injustice Obama suffered smear-by-association. But when my late father -- Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer -- denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr.

Every Sunday thousands of right wing white preachers (following in my father's footsteps) rail against America's sins from tens of thousands of pulpits. They tell us that America is complicit in the "murder of the unborn," has become "Sodom" by coddling gays, and that our public schools are sinful places full of evolutionists and sex educators hell-bent on corrupting children. They say, as my dad often did, that we are, "under the judgment of God." They call America evil and warn of immanent destruction. By comparison Obama's minister's shouted "controversial" comments were mild. All he said was that God should damn America for our racism and violence and that no one had ever used the N-word about Hillary Clinton.

Dad and I were amongst the founders of the Religious right. In the 1970s and 1980s, while Dad and I crisscrossed America denouncing our nation's sins instead of getting in trouble we became darlings of the Republican Party. (This was while I was my father's sidekick before I dropped out of the evangelical movement altogether.) We were rewarded for our "stand" by people such as Congressman Jack Kemp, the Fords, Reagan and the Bush family. The top Republican leadership depended on preachers and agitators like us to energize their rank and file. No one called us un-American.

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Consider a few passages from my father's immensely influential America-bashing book A Christian Manifesto. It sailed under the radar of the major media who, back when it was published in 1980, were not paying particular attention to best-selling religious books. Nevertheless it sold more than a million copies.

Here's Dad writing in his chapter on civil disobedience:

If there is a legitimate reason for the use of force [against the US government]... then at a certain point force is justifiable.


And this:


In the United States the materialistic, humanistic world view is being taught exclusively in most state schools... There is an obvious parallel between this and the situation in Russia [the USSR]. And we really must not be blind to the fact that indeed in the public schools in the United States all religious influence is as forcibly forbidden as in the Soviet Union....


Then this:

There does come a time when force, even physical force, is appropriate... A true Christian in Hitler's Germany and in the occupied countries should have defied the false and counterfeit state. This brings us to a current issue that is crucial for the future of the church in the United States, the issue of abortion... It is time we consciously realize that when any office commands what is contrary to God's law it abrogates it's authority. And our loyalty to the God who gave this law then requires that we make the appropriate response in that situation...

Was any conservative political leader associated with Dad running for cover? Far from it. Dad was a frequent guest of the Kemps, had lunch with the Fords, stayed in the White House as their guest, he met with Reagan, helped Dr. C. Everett Koop become Surgeon General. (I went on the 700 Club several times to generate support for Koop).

Dad became a hero to the evangelical community and a leading political instigator. When Dad died in 1984 everyone from Reagan to Kemp to Billy Graham lamented his passing publicly as the loss of a great American. Not one Republican leader was ever asked to denounce my dad or distanced himself from Dad's statements.

Take Dad's words and put them in the mouth of Obama's preacher (or in the mouth of any black American preacher) and people would be accusing that preacher of treason. Yet when we of the white Religious Right denounced America white conservative Americans and top political leaders, called our words "godly" and "prophetic" and a "call to repentance."

We Republican agitators of the mid 1970s to the late 1980s were genuinely anti-American in the same spirit that later Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson (both followers of my father) were anti-American when they said God had removed his blessing from America on 9/11, because America accepted gays. Falwell and Robertson recanted but we never did.

My dad's books denouncing America and comparing the USA to Hitler are still best sellers in the "respectable" evangelical community and he's still hailed as a prophet by many Republican leaders. When Mike Huckabee was recently asked by Katie Couric to name one book he'd take with him to a desert island, besides the Bible, he named Dad's Whatever Happened to the Human Race? a book where Dad also compared America to Hitler's Germany.

The hypocrisy of the right denouncing Obama, because of his minister's words, is staggering. They are the same people who argue for the right to "bear arms" as "insurance" to limit government power. They are the same people that (in the early 1980s roared and cheered when I called down damnation on America as "fallen away from God" at their national meetings where I was keynote speaker, including the annual meeting of the ultraconservative Southern Baptist convention, and the religious broadcasters that I addressed.

Today we have a marriage of convenience between the right wing fundamentalists who hate Obama, and the "progressive" Clintons who are playing the race card through their own smear machine. As Jane Smiley writes in the Huffington Post "[The Clinton's] are, indeed, now part of the 'vast right wing conspiracy.' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-smiley/im-already-against-the-n_b_90628.html )

Both the far right Republicans and the stop-at-nothing Clintons are using the "scandal" of Obama's preacher to undermine the first black American candidate with a serious shot at the presidency. Funny thing is, the racist Clinton/Far Right smear machine proves that Obama's minister had a valid point. There is plenty to yell about these days

Posted by: dropbrianaline | March 17, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Wow! The school systems have failed many people on this blog. Not too many of you have critical thinking skills, but that's what the media banks on. That's how we ended up with 8 years of GW Bush.

It's interesting how quickly people pass judgement after listening to 30 second soundbites of Rev. Dr. Jeremiah Wright's sermons. I suggest you take the time to dig deeper. Maybe Rev. Wright's ill advised message hits home for you. Unfortunately for all of us there is some truth in his message even if you don't like the message or the messenger.

The Unity Church of Christ has done a lot to support the southside of Chicago community. I believe that has been the appeal to Senator Obama. I recommend you read his book "Dreams from my Father".

I also recommend you read the book "Black Like Me" by John Howard Griffin. It may give you some insight. That's if you want to expand your horizon.

No more guilt by association politics. If we continue down this path, we would not have anyone to vote for. Clinton and McCain (Hagee and Parsely) have issues of their own.

Ignorance is not bliss, ignorance is stupidity!


Posted by: AmericaUnited | March 17, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

And, it would be great if the reason Obama were about to drop out was because of something he did himself:

http://nomoreblather.com/barack-obama-and-the-immigration-marches


Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | March 17, 2008 03:21 PM
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Obama did this to himself, he went to a bigots Church for 20 years and lied about him being a bigot. There is no way in hell that kind of hate was a one time thing, not to mention all the times the Obamas had him over their house. Hope and change, bull.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | March 17, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

U can throw a kitchen sink, a dumpster , a whole landfill and I will still vote for Obama ! He does unite and not divide. Unless you choose to allow the MSM to make your decisions for you .

Obama 08!

Posted by: soflindie | March 17, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Giving a speech after sitting with your family in the pews and listening to anti-American, racist rants from your "mentor", "friend", "uncle", and "spiritual leader" for twenty years?

Just words.

Posted by: brigittepj | March 17, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Interesting, isn't it, how the right-wingers (JakeD, etc) are allied with the Clinton camp when it comes to trying to paint Obama as anti-American.

The McCain camp really really really wants to run against Clinton, because they think Obama can beat them.

However, when you think about it, it's really a blessing for Obama that his pastor's inflammatory comments from several years ago surfaced now, since he's got a few weeks to make it clear that those words by an angry old minister aren't representative of his own worldview.

I think he's going to weather this past week just fine, and that he's going to go into the Democratic convention with the majority of delegates and will gain the backing of the superdelegates, emerging as a strong candidate to challenge McCain in the general election.

Posted by: crd203 | March 17, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Neither Obama nor the corrupt MSM are going to be able to contain the Wright issue. On the one hand it would be great if the Dems would nominate Obama, but on the other I don't want to ever hear "President McCain".

And, it would be great if the reason Obama were about to drop out was because of something he did himself:

http://nomoreblather.com/barack-obama-and-the-immigration-marches

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | March 17, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I believe the Dims have imploded, and it is a blessing.

McRomney is needed NOW! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 17, 2008 03:01 PM
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The Democrats have taken a big hit, but Obama will be history once the new polls come out and we will rally behind Hillary. Picking a Morman for VP, that's a good move to piss off more right wing Christians.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | March 17, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

JakeD-I appreciate the effort to get people rallied, but, at this point in the Game, I think that President McCain needs to do more than just Foreign Policy, and CIC duties, like he is currently involved in.

He needs to seal the deal. He needs to get the Conservatives our man, and get Mitt Romney addressing the Economic Crises! He can also help in Trade Negotiations that are being sought with Colombia and Panama, while McCain might actually understand S. Korea better.

I believe the Dims have imploded, and it is a blessing.

McRomney is needed NOW! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 17, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

People are scrutinizing me . . . time to run and hide under the p.c. race umbrella. Anyone who asks tough questions is a racist! I wasn't really that close to my pastor. I sound like Martin Luther King . . . vote for me!

Please give us some substance instead of insulting voters by banging the same old drum.

Posted by: Susan9 | March 17, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm always skeptical when politicans feel the need to "put things into context", which is usually shorthand for "obscure the facts". How much context is required when your religious mentor of almost twenty years screams "God Damn America" and rants against Hillary and white power on Christmas?

Posted by: JTSpangler | March 17, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

A risky move but could come off well for Obama. He can seem Presidential standing up and adressing the issue. Risky but probably worth it.

Posted by: dyork | March 17, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Pennsylvania Democrats / Republicans / Independents Against Obama:

https://www.pavoterservices.state.pa.us/Pages/VoterRegistrationApplication.aspx

March 24th is the deadline to register to vote for Hillary DIANE Clinton (you can always re-register back to your current party after the primary ; )

Posted by: JakeD | March 17, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Is 'harlemboy' perchance working out of Bill Clinton's offices?

Posted by: mj64 | March 17, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

With the voters clamoring for a competent and rational president to guide the country out of this economic disaster, it should be a cinch for the Democrats to defeat McCain and the Republicans this year. Unfortunately, the Jeremiah Wright fiasco demonstrates that nominating Obama is a hugely risky gamble.

Hillary bashers so desperately want to destroy her that they seem willfully ignorant of Obama's disturbing shortcomings as a national candidate. Obviously, he is very eloquent and elegant and admirable. However, we really do not know how Obama would endure the crucible of the Republican smear machine. So far, based on his handling of Wright, the evidence is not encouraging to Democrats like me. Moreover, Clinton's strategists are absolutely correct in asserting that if Obama cannot persuade the "Reagan/Bush Democrats" in states like Ohio and Pennsylvania to join his coalition, he probably cannot attain 270 electoral votes in November. Again, so far, Hillary appears to be a better match-up against McCain. But if Obama is so much more electable, as his supporters claim, then he should prove it by defeating Hillary in the Pennsylvania primary. If he cannot do so, the super-delegates have good reason to doubt his ability to defeat McCain.

Part of Obama's difficulty in appealing to white/Latino working-class voters might be that he comes off as patrician and elitist. And I'm not sure how much of this has to do with his own personal qualities, and how much it has to do with the disingenuous nature of his leftist intellectual supporters, who would have us believe that Obama's vision of a unified post-partisan political world that appeals to people's better natures is a real one, even as they rail about Hillary, Republicans, Christians, and others in the most divisive way possible. Obama's supporters in the online/blogging community could be Exhibit A in the case against his own vision for the presidency.

The first thing I would ask Obama's supporters to do is look into their own hearts and tell me if they think they can work with Republicans, fundamentalist Christians, pro-war Democrats, even Hillary Clinton herself, in a spirit of compromise once Obama is elected. Or better yet, if Clinton actually manages to secure the Democratic nomination, do they think they can set their bitterness aside and support her for the sake of unity and constructiveness in solving the nation's problems? If not, why do they think the rest of us should swallow this idealistic vision of American politics? If not even Obama's own supporters can walk the walk that he is talking, how do they expect the rest of us to do so? And if they CAN walk the walk, then how about demonstrating it right now with a moratorium on the vitriol which they continue to heap on Hillary?

I believe that politics is a battle, with major forces of personal interest locked in a high-stakes struggle for hegemony. I like being vocal and opinionated and confrontational. I suspect that people on the right feel the same. I recognize that this is a fundamental part of human nature, and our system of government is set up with checks and balances to keep all these forces in proportion with each other. This is why our system works. This is actually why I have supported Hillary from the beginning, because she is an expert political practitioner within this divisive system as it presently and actually exists. Though even I occasionally wince at some of her tactics, I refuse to hold against her the very quality for which I originally embraced her, namely her willingness to fight tooth and claw to win the nomination. This is what I would expect her to do against the Republicans in the fall, so it doesn't surprise me that she would employ the same rationale to win the nomination. This is why so many of her supporters refuse to abandon her even when things get uncomfortable, which is undoubtedly maddening to Obama's supporters. Her determination to fight does not contradict how her supporters have always perceived her, and they long ago made up their minds that this was a strength of hers and not a weakness.

I think if many of Obama's supporters were being honest with themselves, they would admit that they employ the same degree of ruthlessness in defense of their own ideals. However, there's still this dubious concept they're trying to sell me: Obama's Post-Partisan Political Unification.

Posted by: harlemboy | March 17, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I sure am glad I judge people by their Actions, not their Proclamations! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 17, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

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