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Obama Racks Up Superdelegate Commitments

By Perry Bacon Jr.
After winning the popular vote in the Texas and Ohio primaries on March 4, it seemed that Hillary Clinton had captured the momentum in the Democratic race.

The all-important superdelegates don't seem to agree. Since Clinton's two major wins, 11 superdelegates -- as the 796 Democratic officials who get their own vote on the party's nominee are known -- have publicly declared who they are backing. Ten have publicly embraced Obama, compared with just one for Clinton. Her slight gain was canceled out by the loss of one of her superdelegate backers, former governor Eliot Spitzer of New York, who resigned his post, leaving her with a net increase of zero.

"I support Barack Obama for president because he is an inclusive candidate who is trying to unite our country -- Democrats, independents, Republicans -- around a common purpose," said Margie Gavin Woods, a superdelegate from Illinois who is on the board of Will County, which is outside of Chicago.

While it's hardly surprising that a superdelegate from Illinois would embrace her home state senator, Obama also has collected support from officials in Ohio, Texas, Nevada, Georgia and other states since March 4.

Clinton aides said the wins on March 4 helped stem a larger group of superdelegates from heading to Obama and said she is getting some private commitments.

"The fact that she didn't lose a bunch during his long winning streak is remarkable," said a Clinton aide involved in recruiting superdelegates.

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Posted by: Ethan xwnxv | April 10, 2008 4:58 AM | Report abuse

I am embarrassed by the blatant racism expressed by most of the comment posters here (dyck21005, for example). Shame, shame, shame! The comments posted here suggest a degree of racism in the Democratic Party that is truly scary.

Posted by: pgbach | March 18, 2008 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Mar-15, 2008, OBAMA STANDS BEHIND SPIRITAL ADVISOR WRIGHT!
"Wright is like an uncle you love and respect"
IT'S WAY TOO LATE OBAMA, NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR YOUR LIES AND EXCUSES OR A SPEECH SOMEONE WROTE OR STOLE FOR YOU! YOU HAVE CLAIMED TO BE A MEMBER FOR 20 YEARS, YOU KNOW FULL WELL WHAT THIS RACIST ANTI-AMERICAN PREACHES EACH WEEK, YOU CAN BUY THE DVDS ON THE WEBSITE, and THIS IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW YOU'RE RASING YOUR YOUNG DAUGHTERS? YOU ARE MOST CERTINALLY NOT THE LEADER FOR THIS GREAT COUNTRY!

How does Obama consider someone a Mentor and friend for 20 years and not know their hateful racist values and character? Obama said he had no plans to leave the South Side church. Wright is like an uncle you love and respect! he highly respects the opinions of Rev. Wright said Obama, who brings hope to many and agrees with giving the man of year award to the notorious Louis Farrakhan. Nation of Islam Minister who said we are witnessing the phenomenal rise of a man of color in a country that has persecuted us! Obama hasn't distanced himself from Farraklhan as he wants the media to believe. A number of Jewish and pro-Israel voters have concerns and raised questions about Barack Obama. In case you haven't followed this ongoing issue, here's a brief summary of the complaints:Obama has called for engaging Iran. Daniel Ayalon, Israel's former ambassador to the United States, told the New York Sun he is concerned Obama would want to negotiate with a "Hitler-like" regime. Some of Obama's policy advisors of various stripes, such as Samantha Power, Robert Malley, and Zbigniew Brzezinski, have come under attack for their views on Israel. World Jewish Congress President Ronald Lauder fears, it's only a matter of time before the president becomes anti-Israel Howard Friedman, the president of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, said the leading presidential candidate are all interested in continuing close ties with Israel. Obama in traditional muslim garb brought these questions back to the fore Obama is a closet Muslim. Obama hasn't distanced himself from Farraklhan as he wants the media to believe, Obamas and his church said Farrakhan "epitomized greatness. For Americans, Farrakhan epitomizes racism, particularly in the form of anti-Semitism. Over the years, he has compiled an awesome record of offensive statements, even denigrating the Holocaust by falsely attributing it to Jewish cooperation with Hitler "They helped him get the Third Reich on the road." His history is a rancid stew of lies. Any praise of Farrakhan heightens the prestige of the leader of the Nation of Islam. His anti-Semitism and particularly his false insistence that Jews have played an inordinate role in victimizing African Americans. Farrakhan's dream has vilified whites and singled out Jews to blame for crimes large and small. He talks of Jewish conspiracies to set a media line for the whole nation. He has reviled Jews in a manner that brings Hitler to mind. And yet Obama and Rev Wright heaped praise on Farrakhan. He applauds his "depth of analysis when it comes to the racial ills of this nation." He praised "his integrity and honesty." He called him "an unforgettable force, a catalyst for change and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose." These words of the black man who touts change and claims to be a uniter of all people? DO NOT VOTE FOR OBAMANATION!

Posted by: dyck21005 | March 18, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

iwebber102-LOL!

Last I checked, Texas was a very RED State, and property of NO Dimocrat! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 18, 2008 7:13 AM | Report abuse

I FOR ONE AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE ALLEGATIONS OF IMPROPER CAUCUS TACTICS USED BY OBAMA SUPPORTERS...worth a look

Another Report of Improper Obama Caucus Tactics:
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/12/155450/725

Posted by: thinktank | March 18, 2008 5:19 AM | Report abuse

Correction: Texas was NOT a win for Clinton. Although she won the primary, Obama won the caucus, and won 4 more delegates than she did in the final delegate count.

Posted by: lwebber102 | March 18, 2008 2:06 AM | Report abuse

ftroit (and bbusey):

Can you please cite to the rule that automatically disqualified Spitzer as a super delegate upon his resignation from the Office of Governor today?

Posted by: JakeD | March 17, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

I also agree that if the nomination is given to HRC when Obama has the most delegates, states and votes or not even pop. vote I will stay home as an indie because my disagreements with Mccain run too deep (3 wars and $10 a gal gas anyone?)

I had initially considered voting 4 HRC but after the way she has run her campaign as a true slug and enemy of truth I just couldn't stomach it:(

Posted by: deewhiz | March 17, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama for President of the UNITED States of America.

Posted by: PulSamsara | March 17, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

martdac, Only someone who could be suckered into a Guy's Snake-Oil Routine, would also be D.A. enough to imply a Pastor in San Antonio(Who McCain has already set straight about the FACT his Children were Catholic Schooled), is the Pastor for a Guy who resides in Arizona and Washington! ;~)

LOL! I think the Governator did in Barack's Dad in "Conan the Barbarian"! :-)

Same ACT! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 17, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

That is, "when" he resigned. So overall, HRC lost a super delegate today in NY.

Posted by: bbussey | March 17, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Spitzer lost his super delegate status designation he resigned.

Paterson already was a super delegate prior to being sworn in as governor and already had declared for HRC, so she gains nothing there.

bb

Posted by: bbussey | March 17, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

If McCain took his children to catholic schools, is he also accuse of accepting a doctrine from priests and Bishops who molested boys and girls? I think the media should look into this too.

Posted by: jdaveuk | March 17, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Ohhhh Poor Poortrekker, all it can up with are inaccurate digs at People!

Xenophobic? What did I say that was Xenophobic?

BTW-Personal attacks miss their mark on me most of the time.

See, "Animosity", is the CRY of the Wounded Loser! ;~)

Case in point, what BOTH Billary and Obsama are doing to each other, while President McCain, is in Iraq, singing, and actually "Taking care of Business"! :-)

Posted by: rat-the | March 17, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Let's also talk about all the shady deals that Clinton has been involved with and the people her husband and her pardoned after his leaving office - the criminals, the degenerates, - mark rich for example. Like Hillary Clinton doesn't have one hundred questionable supporters like this - and because Barack Obama believes in a new kind of politics, he doesn't spend his time going after these issues but talking about what matters, the economy, the war, housing, college education and the future unification of our country.

Posted by: kuku | March 17, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the reason the Clintons are so divisively and antagonistically determined to win is because they know the great machine that has powered civilization since the very beginning, and have an understanding that if Obama gets elected president, like every other great voice in the history of time who has tried to unify the good parts of humanity (from Christ to MLK) he'll get whacked by some fanatic who believes that the current power structures must remain intact and the boat must not be rocked. Or...they're really that narcissistic and sleezy. Either way, can we trust the life of someone who inspires and catalyzes people, like Obama, in the hands of "them"? It's never boded well for those who've tried in the past, but I suppose that's no reason not to try once more to instate what would intrinsically seem to be a genuinely good person into the system to see if we can create the change that will give the power of this country back to its people. What a scary, and disappointing creature God created in us...that we have to kill hope in the name of hope, and kill love in the name of love, and all under the guise of God's will, when in our hearts we know, really, that it's little more than our own fallible reasoning, and selfish compulsions that drive this hedonistic debacle.

Posted by: JRinBellingham | March 17, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Let's stop all this bickering and unite behind the one, true candidate - Obama!

If you search your souls, Hillary supporters, I think you will find that is what you really want.

And McCain guys - I'm sure after four or eight years the US will return to its honored tradition of hiring warmongering white men to be president. Have faith, you won't lose control forever. Vote Obama now. It will make your lives interesting for a while.

Posted by: rschmieder | March 17, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone heard "You're what you eat?" So after 20 yrs of listening to hate. I am a loving unifier? Sweet.
BTW, Obama was in the pew on July 22 when his pastor preach white-hate.

Posted by: tapex1 | March 17, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Funny how you guys are so adamant about making Obama to be like his Pastor, even though he denounces the pastor's views. But what about McCain Pastor Agee who McCain is so proud of his endorsement.

"Hagee on Hurricane Katrina "All hurricanes are acts of God because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that." [NPR Fresh Air, 9/18/06]

Hagee on Islamic Beliefs
Fresh Air host Terry Gross asked if Hagee believed that "all Muslims have a mandate to kill Christians and Jews," to which Hagee replied, "Well, the Quran teaches that. Yes, it teaches that very clearly." [NPR Fresh Air, 9/18/06]
Hagee on African-Americans
The San Antonio Express-News reported that Hagee was going to "meet with black religious leaders privately at an unspecified future date to discuss comments he made in his newsletter about a 'slave sale,' an East Side minister said Wednesday." The Express-News reported:
"Hagee, pastor of the 16,000-member Cornerstone Church, last week had announced a 'slave sale' to raise funds for high school seniors in his church bulletin, 'The Cluster.'
"The item was introduced with the sentence 'Slavery in America is returning to Cornerstone" and ended with "Make plans to come and go home with a slave." [San Antonio Express-News 3/7/96]
Hagee on Catholicism
"Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews." [Jerusalem Countdown by John Hagee]
Hagee on Women
"Do you know the difference between a woman with PMS and a snarling Doberman pinscher? The answer is lipstick. Do you know the difference between a terrorist and a woman with PMS? You can negotiate with a terrorist." [God's Profits: Faith, Fraud and the Republican Crusade for Values Voters, Sarah Posner]
"[T]he feminist movement today is throwing off authority in rebellion against God's pattern for the family." ["Bible Positions on Political Issues," John Hagee]
Hagee on LGBT Americans
"The newspaper carried the story in our local area that was not carried nationally that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other Gay Pride parades. So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing. I know that there are people who demur from that, but I believe that the Bible teaches that when you violate the law of God, that God brings punishment sometimes before the day of judgment." [NPR Fresh Air, 9/18/06]
Hagee on Iran
"The coming nuclear showdown with Iran is a certainty," Hagee wrote [in 2006] in the Pentecostal magazine Charisma. "Israel and America must confront Iran's nuclear ability and willingness to destroy Israel with nuclear weapons. For Israel to wait is to risk committing national suicide." [The Nation, 8/8/2006]"

Posted by: martdac | March 17, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

dropbrianaline, thank you thank you thank you!

If we are going to go on and on about Rev. Wright, we need to talk about McCain's pastor, John Hagee just as much.

BTW, An 80-year old disabled WW2 vet told me during the 2004 general election that his pastor told him if he voted for John Kerry, he would go to Hell. It was tearing him apart inside because he was against the Iraq war and really wanted to vote for him.

It's shameful when people in a position of power, on any side, abuse that power to threaten, diminish or destroy others for no other reason than 'He or she doesn't think like me.'

Posted by: corridorg4 | March 17, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Hello!! Has anybody been looking at the national polls? After 3 weeks of Hillary's nuclear-winter campaign tactics, McCain has now drawn even with both of them in the presidential preference polls. So, as predicted by most, Hillary has dragged Barack down with her, and her true goal will be achieved: "If I can't be president, neither can he."

Posted by: jac13 | March 17, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

roncraw:

First they question Obama's Christianity; and when that doesn't work they question the *quality* of his Christianity by condemning his ex-pastor.

What next? Accuse Obama that his Christian prayers aren't sincere?

His ex-pastor had every right to say what he said--whether you agree with him or not. Free speech isn't free only when you want it to be.

How Christian are YOU?

Prove it.

Posted by: poortrekker | March 17, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

LOL @JakeD regarding Spitzer being a super-delegate. the superdelegate is for the Democratic governor of NY. The last time I checked, as of 1 pm today i think, Spitzer is no longer governor of NY. W T F are you talking about

Posted by: ftroit | March 17, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Dropbrianaline -

As a person who has been baffled by the lack of responses to any coherent and reasonable statements, I want to make sure to thank you for your input. It's one of the only posts that seems to go beyond the "yes you did/no I didn't" depravity that is so popular in politics these days. I am very glad that there are at least a few voices who are able to see themselves in respect to others, and avoid the hypocrisy that is so damanably pervasive in every media outlet and personal outcry of hate. There is indeed much to yell about these days, and our double standards on both sides of the political spectrum is definitely one of them.

Posted by: JRinBellingham | March 17, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

Anyone who doesn't see things your way is a traitor.

Good luck living your life that way.

Posted by: poortrekker | March 17, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

mbshults you are a joke.

Posted by: roncraw | March 17, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

James Carville and Mary Matalin have been married for many years, but no one would EVER accuse them of sharing political views despite the fact they seem very happy.

Ronald Reagan's children Ron Jr. and Patti didn't share their father's views, but they obviously grew up with them.

Why is it that Obama automatically somehow share those of his pastor who he saw once a week, and obviously now less than that?

Just a thought

Posted by: corridorg4 | March 17, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

rat-the: Where...or how...did you become so xenophobic?

You make it sound like a president Obama is going to have all the children thrown into the sea.

This is not the third grade.

Be rational and use some common sense. There's a whole world out there; embrace it, don't fear it.

Posted by: poortrekker | March 17, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

LET'S ALL JOIN TOGETHER (BLACK, WHITE, HISPANIC ETC.)AND REBUILD OUR COUNTRY'S FUTURE AND INTEGRITY. AWAY WITH THE OLD POLITICS OF FALSE CHARACTER ATTACKS AND BACK DOOR PAYMENTS. THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES IN THIS DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY RACE. WE ALL CAN SEE WHO THE RIGHT PERSON IS TO CHOOSE. I AM GOING TO DO MY PART TO MAKE AMERICA A BETTER COUNTRY. I LOVE AMERICA, AND EVERY RACE, GENDER AND CREED THAT MAKES IT UP!

Posted by: alfie7 | March 17, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Superdelegates, please support Obama. Clinton is not electable.

The Clinton's are willing to destroy the Democratic Party to serve their, Her, ambitions. Why should that deserve any loyalty from all of you? Why are you not coming out in droves for Obama?

Superdelegates are supposed to know what is best for the Party. I got Howard Dean's email. This long campaign is hurting us while McBush goes on a world tour paid for by our dollars.

Get off your duffs and do your job! Support Obama now or else this will drag on and continue to damage our November chances.

Hillary posted these videos or Wright and fed it to the media. Don't let her ongoing personal attacks work! I cannot believe that you are letting her attack him on Race and Religion.

Stop this nonsense now as only you can. Do what you have committed to doing. Protect and serve the Party!

Posted by: mbshults | March 17, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, cotton167 : )

P.S. to tcervantez:

I did read that, but Schaeffer and Wright are most definitely NOT saying the same thing -- one is an American hero and the other is a traitor -- also, since Francis Schaeffer's son is named Frank, I didn't think that BRIAN deserved a reply. YMMV

Posted by: JakeD | March 17, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

And what exactly is the revenand's 'influence' on Obama that everyone is afraid of? That government is corrupt? It is. That rich white men run the government? They do. These guys came out of the crux of the Civil Rights movement and probably saw more injustice than most white folk will ever see. The only difference is that now the rich white man is oppressing ALL races if you're poor enough....whos numbers are increasing every year.

Posted by: datacus | March 17, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

with all this talk about super deligates being allould to choose the canidate for us.why was all this money spent on primaries. I say this if they give this to clinton,then I will leave the Democrate party that I have been a member of for over 60 years,and become an Independent.It looks the Demo.party will never learn.

Posted by: cotton167 | March 17, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

20 years of listening to that pastor .Don't ever think it doesn't influence your thinking after awhile.He took one of the pastors sermon for the name of his book. Rezko and Wright the Repbs. will have a feild day with him.

Posted by: roncraw | March 17, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

20 years of listening to that pastor .Don't ever think it doesn't influence your thinking after awhile.He took one of the pastors sermon for the name of his book. Rezko and Wright the Repbs. will have a feild day with him.

Posted by: roncraw | March 17, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

klkinternal

the fact is that Obama CAN win in those traditionally Repub states, and will ALSO take the blue states as the presidential candidate. People try to spin his win in those states as a bad thing, when it is actually the people of those states standing up and saying enough is enough.

Posted by: leslie | March 17, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Thick calves won't matter, because when she actually gets in to see the princes, she'll have to cover them up anyway....along with her head.

Posted by: datacus | March 17, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

There's a great scene in the Monte Python movie "The Life of Brian". In the scene two Christian groups that are supposedly fighting against the Romans, bump into each other while trying to infiltrate some Roman building. I can't remember the scene very well (I saw the movie 25 years ago) but the jist of it was that the two Christian groups looked at more at each other as enemies than they looked at the Romans as ememies. It would be amusing if it were not so sad, to see how well the republicans are able to work the democrats and independents. They have the Clinton and Obama supporters more angry and energized to work against each other than they are towords the Republicans.

I am sure that either Obama or Hillary will make a fine president. The differences in what they will actually be able to accomplish will be slight. Even McCain would be fine if it were not for his stance on Iraq. There is not going to be a magic bullet for the economy or health care. We need to stop pissing money away on the "war", and building this impossible national debt. If we elect McCain and/or a bunch of new republican senators and congresspeople we aren't going to see any change, and when things aren't going well, no change is a bad thing.

Posted by: bjuhasz | March 17, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has thick calves.

Posted by: carjackerdude | March 17, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Hi

As an outsider ( I am not an American citizen ), all I can say is that 2009, we will see one more Republican President. Osama has no chance to win. All his major wins are in states which are solidly Republican. Hillary has 2 problems - because of being Bill's spouse and above all being a Woman. If the Democrats want to WIN, then the 2 should get together. They can have a Pact that Clinton serves the first term and Obama the next 2.

Posted by: klkinternal | March 17, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Much more superdelegates will flee to Obama when more facts will be known about the Clintons records...

The Clintons are fighting to not release their records (tax returns, White House records, list of big donors to their foundation). But here are a few facts that the Clintons were not able to hide:

The Clinton foundation received recently a $31.3 million donation after Bill expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader's, undercuting both American foreign policy and sharp criticism of Kazakhstan's poor human rights:

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

In january 2008, the Clintons received $20 million from business deals with Dubai in the Middle East:

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/22/bill-clinton-severs-ties-_n_82616.html

Shortly after beeing pardonned by President Clinton, fugitive financier Marc Rich had his ex-wife giving $400 000 to the Clintons library foundation:

Source: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,98756,00.html

We need the Clintons to release their records so that the superdelegates (and voters) can consider all facts before the nomination.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 17, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

utworcurious ,I think you better do your home work a little better regarding the donation from the mmiddle east for the Clinton library and donation about the campain this is why Hillary doesn not want show her incom tax return

Posted by: capskip | March 17, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Super delegates!!! Start supporting Obama

Posted by: rjbullen | March 17, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Super delegates!!! Start supporting Obama

Posted by: rjbullen | March 17, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing to me that those that have contributed to this forum were so caught up in their arguement with each other that not one of you, well maybe one, commented on "dropbrianaline"'s comment regarding his father--a conservative White preacher that many Republican leaders have embraced and none denounced.

This election is about more than the superficial numbers game you all are playing here, it is about how when those in power are challenged they get to change the rules of the game. I'm glad that all of you are so impassioned about this election season, but I wish you were impassioned for the right reasons.

Posted by: tcervantez | March 17, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

utworcurious:
I would love to see some proof of your suspicions if you have it..... because terrorists usually don't work their way through civil service and politics for 20+ years to terrorize, they just show up at a wedding dressed in c-4.

Posted by: datacus | March 17, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Clinton is an excellent politician - knows how to attack, put the best spin on things, view everything from her point-of-view. I'm worried that she may become president and further ruin America's reputation in the world.

Posted by: hhennein | March 17, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

chubbycheekers...
I agree. The negative attacks and baiting that has happened a little to often to be a coincidence. I feel the same way and I don't care if she were to put him on his ticket. That woman lies too often. She claims victories like Bush. She hides the truth like Bush.

Posted by: bbg_isback | March 17, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

RECENT EVENTS HAS PROVED THAT OBAMA IS A FRAUD. He is opportunistic, calculating and deceitful. He has made his candidacy one of JUDGEMENT, TRANSPARENCY, HONESTY AND UNITY. However, he LACKS ALL OF THOSE QUALITIES. He CODDLES CORRUPT AND DIVISIVE CHARACHTERS LIKE SLUMLORD, REZKO, PASTOR WRIGHT WHO SAYS -- '"God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people. ... God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human." He is not TRUTHFUL about his relations with REZKO. At first he said that he had received about $60,000 then it went up to 150,000 and now it is 650,000. His donors are connected to Middle East. It is important to investigate him to make sure that his contributors are not tied to Terrorists.

Posted by: utworcurious | March 17, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

jake MARYTYLERMOORE d!

it's time for you to recognize that Barack Obama is the most qualified statesman the US has produced in 40 years. Would you rather have someone as president who shot her own inevitable campaign in the foot, or would you rather have someone who sings bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb iran in the shower? Barack Obama will bring peace to this world and clean up much of the damage inflicted by the bush years of incompetance and the clinton years of incontinence and crook-pardoning. Don't be such a hater, and enjoy this wonderful time.

Posted by: elton1111 | March 17, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

When Clinton moved to NY and ran for the senate, she said she had no intention of running for president. Clinton claimed that she just wanted to do a good job for the people of NY. Today she says words mean something . Ahhhh for the good old days, when Bill was saying "I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky!" Just think! If Clinton gets back to the White-house, there will be the first, first man, AND the first first perjurer.
Like Jimmie Dean says about his sausage "makes ya proud everytime!"

Posted by: marthadavidson | March 17, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

JakeD > Bottom line is I want the Democrats to win, however, I am an advid Obama supporter. I'm an independent.

I assure you if he leads in popular vote, delegate count and states won and the "supers" give the nomination to Hillary I'm staying home this November b/c I won't vote for McCain because I feel he will continue Bush's policies for another 4 years and our country can't afford that.

I would have voted if Hillary won but in light of her negative attacks on her fellow Democrat I just won't vote for her.

Posted by: chubbycheekers | March 17, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Jake D keep on wishing

Posted by: capskip | March 17, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Read Obama's own words for yourself. Call to Renewal

Posted by: junah42 | March 17, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

I'll see you when gas hits $8 per gallon.

Posted by: formlessness | March 17, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I never cease to be amused by this "unfair" Florida vote theory. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Florida the state back in 2000 where such a big deal was made about every vote counting? The Democrat Party, in it's less than infinite wisdom, decided that, in 2008, no votes in Florida would count AT ALL!!! The people that decision was unfair to was the people of Florida. That should be the overriding concern when deciding what is or is not fair, never mind the candidates. Now that decision made by Democrat Party may very well prove to be the undoing of same. That is something the Democrat Party should have thought of before attempting to disenfranchise millions upon millions of voters in both Florida and Michigan.

Posted by: nnmi | March 17, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

tedbanaras:

I certainly hope that Obama is "unelectable".

Posted by: JakeD | March 17, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Superdelegates moving to Obama despite Hillary "winning" Ohio and Texas.

That is because they, unlike Hillary's supporters, can do the math.

Despite what the news keeps telling you, Obama won Texas.

Even with the unfair votes in Florida and Michigan being seated as is without a recount (in violation of the rules as Hillary suggests) she STILL won't be able to catch up to his delegate lead.

To me the question isn't why the superdelegates are going over to Obama, but why haven't the rest? Sure, let the remaining voters speak, but without a RADICAL shift toward Clinton in states other than Pennsylvania, this election is already decided.

Posted by: amccoy1 | March 17, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Hilary is living in a "dream world" along with Mark Penn and Harold Wolfson, when all the lies and smears against Barack Obama backfire, she will sack them next.

The Truth which the Clinton campaign don't seem to accept is Barack Obama is still well ahead in the Delegate Count and more Superdelegates are declaring for BARACK.

We have had the Obama costume picture, now the Pastor story, sadly though claims that Barack was present at one of the sermons released yesterday, backfired when the date given he was in Miami speaking at a conference, so they say now they must have got the date wrong. Then the Ken Starr smears against Barack and the 3am phone call, scare mongering TV commercial, what next.

Clinton's campaign is solely based on Lies and Personal attacks rather than POLICY! this is going to all come back on her and she will regret it.

Posted by: jaybs1 | March 17, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

bill.reese:

Thank you for voting : )

Posted by: JakeD | March 17, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

The reason the Obama-Wright connection is relevant is that it exposes the bizarre parallel universe that they are from. This is further evidenced by Michelle Obama's "proud" remark. Wright's missives and the broad range of opinion behind them reflect poorly Obama's theme of "change" and show it for what it is: a disingenuous jingle of hollow rhetoric. This is more than a problem for Obama, it makes him *unelectable*. I know the superdelegates will be considering this when making their decision about who to vote for.

Posted by: tedbanaras | March 17, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Pennsylvania Democrats / Republicans / Independents Against Obama:

https://www.pavoterservices.state.pa.us/Pages/VoterRegistrationApplication.aspx

March 24th is the deadline to register to vote for Hillary DIANE Clinton (you can always re-register back to your current party after the primary ; )

Posted by: JakeD | March 17, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Here's the question:

If today, March 17th, Senator Clinton were ahead with the most states won, the most delegates won, and the most popular votes cast for her, would Senator Clinton and Former President Clinton be encouraging Senator Obama to stay in the race in case the delegates committed to them would rather, weeks and months after their having been elected, decide to choose him as the candidate?

Puh-leese. If Senator Obama were in Senator Clinton's current 2nd place position, the Clintons would be telling him to drop out now. The Clintons, in fact, in no way would be seeing this as a "close" race if Senator Obama was #2 and they were #1.

So, DNC and revered Democratic leaders, please explain to former President Clinton and to Senator Clinton that they are in second place.

And that it is time for them to withdraw.

Posted by: willowbarcelona | March 17, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I've been reading your comments for weeks now, and I must say you guys are most entertaining. That being said, let me spout a few non-analytical words about this election. I'm a gen-x, middle-class, face-in-the-crowd type guy. I'm in my early-30s and had never voted before in my life. I have a very cynical view towards government and politicians. I used to think voting didn't matter, because the fatcat, rich, old, white guys will always run things. When I showed up to vote early in the TX primaries, I didn't know what to do, where to go, people were giving me dirty looks and sneering.

But let me tell you this; I'm not the only one that stepped up to a voting booth for the first time because of this election. There are an army of people stepping up and making their voices heard. This is history in the making, people, and America will never be the same for it, regardless of who gets elected.

Right-wing, left-wing, who cares. We're being heard, and that's something to be proud of. We are taking this country back.

Now please, back to your debating and derogatory use of the candidates middle names. Gotta love America!

Posted by: datacus | March 17, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else?

Posted by: JakeD | March 17, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

ad hominem by the culmination of all of your posts , not the dogmatic post I replied to here.

Posted by: mgcrhcp | March 17, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

djlyon1:

There is actually a rule (posted it on a different thread) to select an alternate -- so I don't think she loses a super delegate -- what I have not been able to find is any rule that "automatically" disqualifies Spitzer just because he resigned as Governor. As I said, above, this probably goes to the Credentials Committee too.

catchsandy:

Nope (he's not my "buddy" or even my 10th choice for President).

Posted by: JakeD | March 17, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Why do we put up with candidates that have little if no experience being in charge of this country. We should feel ashamed that we even consider a candidate like Hillary Clinton. Can you imagine her going up a young Castro? If Hillary was a man he would have never made it out of Iowa. She talks of her knowledge of the affairs of this country and how to fix all the problems but they are just words. But I am not going to let Obama off the hook either, for he is no better and the Republican party is a joke.
When I was growing up I learned of the great Presidents of our past. We learned how they shaped this country and got people to work towards a better American.
I can not think of anyone in the past 40 years that is deserving a page in any history book other under the title of worthless leaders of the USA. Obama is right it is time for a change. Time to get rid of both parties, time to lessen government controls, time to give America back to the people.

Posted by: solberg00 | March 17, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

personal109-BINGO!

I stated before the Primaries even began, that they are inherently FLAWED!

The Attrition suffered by members of the opposing Party(S), causes us to alwys end up with Centrist, Moderates who are simply two sides of the same Coin, time after time again! :-(

But, maybe it somehow works out for a compromised "Best".

Hard to say sometimes! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 17, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Hillary said Ohio and Texas were turning a corner for her campaign and showed the country has abandoned Obama and are now flocking to her...Then she lost the next two states.
Iowa now added more delegates to Obama. So is California. It is all over except for the pain of having her try to hurt his chances in November.

The popular vote MIGHT be an interesting argument if there WAS a popular vote. The vote totals from a number of caucus states are not reported. For example Iowa where Obama has a 2:1 margin over Hillary doesn't report total votes, but even without these caucus states that don't report Obama is STILL ahead in popular vote. This is just another measure of HOW FAR ahead he is. Even the big states where she has an advantage it is SLIM.

Posted by: amccoy1 | March 17, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

If you think about it, McCain already has the republican nomination. I, personally, am backing Obama. If the Republicans come together and vote to nominate Clinton, they will eat her alive and make her cry more. Because McCain knows that he can beat Clinton. The Clinton family has alot of dirt with them. People are still trying to find dirt on Obama. (It ain't happening people, sorry.)

Posted by: ANTONIO.WIGGINS-02 | March 17, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I like to tell that idiot of Mark P and all the followers of Hillary (makes me sick to my stomach just to type her name) that the what so called victory in Texas and Ohio was because 130.00 republican in Texas and 100.000 republican in Ohio voted for Clinton, so please dont brag about the victory

Posted by: capskip | March 17, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

cam8 you are kidding me ,I hope. They all had fund raisers.You have to be kidding running and tv ad is the same as coming here after the polls closed.Get real

Posted by: roncraw | March 17, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

An an independent and Obama supporter, it pains me to see how smart the republican are. They vote in democratic primaries on mass to ensure Clinton's nominations. Their neocon allies and news networks tear down Obama's character. And look at the democrats, they just allow all this to happen. Face it, once again republicans will out maneuver the democrats and win the 2008 presidential election.

Posted by: personal109 | March 17, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

can you shed some light on what your buddy mccain is trying to say here?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/27/mccain-warns-there-will_n_83459.html

Posted by: catchsandy | March 17, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

The popular vote in Michigan and Florida will most likely not even count. The mail-in for Florida is doomed and they can't have a re-vote in Florida because a lot of the counties don't have any voting machines. They are getting new ones, but not until July. Most likely, half of the Florida delegates will be seated and maybe, maybe, Michigan will have a re-vote, but I wouldn't count on that either. As the Speaker said, it's the delegates won that matter, not the popular vote.

Posted by: GraceMN | March 17, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

If - and it's still an if - the numbers just don't add up for U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton to be the Democratic presidential nominee, but the party, through its arcane rules and superdelegates process, gives it to her anyway, Democrats will pay dearly, for a generation or more.

Do Democrats risk losing a generation if Obama is not nominated?

http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=1888


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Posted by: jeffboste | March 17, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

nodebris-And THAT was just sooooooo

Profound! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 17, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Jake - Spitzer was a superdelegate by virtue of being the Democratic governor of NY. When he gave up the office, he gave up the credential. Paterson was already a superdelegate as a member of the DNC, so essentially NY loses its governor vote.

Posted by: djlyon1 | March 17, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

chubbycheekers:

Will you join in my pledge to NOT vote for Hillary DIANE Clinton in November if she steals the nomination?

Posted by: JakeD | March 17, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Hillary shoud releast the tax returns and library donars list and stop be the spoiler.
Elena

Posted by: shlmnv | March 17, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

tintin08-Actually, President McCain did address Crazy Hagee's comments.

He put His Children through Catholic School! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 17, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

wideblacksky:

You are aware that Barack HUSSEIN Obama first won his Illinois State Senate seat after knocking his four (4) competitors off the ballot, right?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,1,57567.story

Posted by: JakeD | March 17, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I second mgcrhcp, and would add rat-the to the list.

"Do not feed the trolls."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Posted by: nodebris | March 17, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

cam8-The ones who did the Dumb thing, were the Dimocrats. What I said is quite true. The Voting occurred, and it occurred fairly, and how it was arranged. Just as the remaining Contests for the Democrat Nominee NOW are going to suffer attrition from People who are going to elect President McCain in November, The GOP ended up with McCain possibly due to attrition in Florida and Michigan, from people who are going to be split by Barack Hussein and Billary!

The Independents were affected, and they in turn, had their Effect!

Why do Dims always try to CHANGE rules during Elections? Too many Lawyers perhaps? ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 17, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure the Repubs are enjoying the discord amongst you Democratic crybabies!!! I voted for Barack and no matter how you slice it or dice it... he will be ahead in the delegate count, popular vote and states won. He will be the nominee! Hillary cannot win without his supporters and I could care less about the big state arguement because: In 2004, for example, John Kerry won early Democratic contests in Iowa, Arizona, and Missouri, but he fell short in all three states when pitted against George W. Bush. Barack got me excited about polotics again and revived my hope in our political system, however, focusing on race, religion and gender has turned me off again! Like so many others who can't stomach voting republican will most likely sit home in November and watch the commander in thief Hillary Clinton go down in flames. Theif you say? Everyone knows she will have help from the super delegates to steal the nomination.

Posted by: chubbycheekers | March 17, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

cam8

I have to disagree on one thing. Hillary, in my opinion, did campaign in Florida by making statements against the baan, by showing up in Florida and being covered by the local press getting off her plane to go to a fundraiser, and by letting it be knowwn (and following through on it) that she would be right back in Florida the minutes the polls closed. Those are very clear ways of saying, "Hey, look at me!!! I'm with you and against the bad people that don't want you to vote!!! I'm here saying how wonderful it is to be in Florida, and I will be back the minute the polls closed cause (wink, wink) I can't actually campaign here. But you know I am here and will be back, and I want your vote to count even though I agreed that it shouldn't!!!"

"And hay Michigan!!! I left my name on the ballot so you know I haven't forgotten you either!!!".

And an Obama national ad crossing the airwaves over the border is not anywhere near the same thing.

Posted by: dyork | March 17, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

rat I live in Fla. Obama did campaign here. He ran tv ads here prior to the primary. He said they were national ads and couldn't keep them out. All the other 5 candidates found a way to keep them out.

Posted by: roncraw | March 17, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

This article doesn't even include the 10 delegates gain, making up of former Edwards supporters, from Iowa convention. Since HC's Mar. 4th wins, she has gained zero superdelegate (thanks to Spitzer's sticky situation) while Obama gains 11. Even more pathetic is that HC has claimed to win BIG in Texas - a state that she LOST 99-95 in delegates.

Posted by: bdn70 | March 17, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Democrats,

Stop this bickering! can't you see that it's the Republicans gaining on us? The Republicans are using the country's fear to incite us and divide us. The Republican TV shows and Radio hosts have racked up this "HATE" language and is now blaming it on us - supporters of Barack and Hillary. Dont buy into this hatred people. Now these crazy conservatives are asking why Hillary is not attacking Barack over a pastor's comments - why do they want this to happen? Because they know that McCain is in deep trouble in November. Why can't they talk about the economy that Bush and the Republican Congress drove asunder? What about the mortgage crisis? what about the thousands of young men and women dying in Iraq? These are the real issues. And if they want to talk Church - they must include Jon Hagee's absurd comments on Catholics! Catholics are Americans too.

Remember people that Church and State are two different institutions! and as JFK once said, "his religion does not in any way dictate his political beliefs/ views" So, you Republicans must cease and desist on this continous blame on Obama, for what his pastor said.

Posted by: tintin08 | March 17, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

What kind of scumbag would want to count results from primaries where only one candidate was on the ballot? That's why Clinton will not win- people are tired of having a dishonest president. She is trying to run a dirty campaign and it won't sell in 2008.

Posted by: wideblacksky | March 17, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

rat,

1) I'm assuming that you're an adult, so act like one. If you keep referring to Senator Obama as "Obasama", then nothing else you say has any merit here. I'm here to discuss real issues, and your bigotry has no place with me.

2) Obama had no choice, at least not a real one. By DNC rules, he would have been disqualified from the nominating process had he campaigned in MI or FL.

Neither Clinton nor Obama campaigned in those two states. Those states were denied the same privilege to meet and interact with either candidate that other states received. If delegates are to be seated from either state, then it is proper that they be allowed the same campaigning that other states had, in order to make a more informed decision.

Posted by: cam8 | March 17, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

What mgcrhcp said.

There are a lot of shrill people out there.

Posted by: jlaprise | March 17, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

mgcrhcp:

I wasn't aware that simple math: "328,151 > 300,000" is now illogical and inflammatory. Thanks for the ad hominem.

Posted by: JakeD | March 17, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Rat-The,

That is such a mean thing to say. And untrue and spiteful. What's your beef? You know what you say isn't true. I mean, you are reading news from one of the best news sources available and yet spew this trash the candidate stuff out there.

Posted by: ngranner | March 17, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

cam8:

Not if enough Republicans / Independents vote for her in those States -- I couldn't personally do it, but I guess Rush Limbaugh et al are encouraging that -- the deadline to register for the Pennsylvania Democratic Primary is March 24th ; )

Posted by: JakeD | March 17, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

before commenting to JakeD I would click his profile to see that most arguments are not logical and are inflammatory and that any response only gives this poster self affirmation to continue his ridiculous crusade.

Posted by: mgcrhcp | March 17, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

When Senator Obama's preacher thundered about racism and injustice Obama suffered smear-by-association. But when my late father -- Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer -- denounced America and even called for the violent overthrow of the US government, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr.

Every Sunday thousands of right wing white preachers (following in my father's footsteps) rail against America's sins from tens of thousands of pulpits. They tell us that America is complicit in the "murder of the unborn," has become "Sodom" by coddling gays, and that our public schools are sinful places full of evolutionists and sex educators hell-bent on corrupting children. They say, as my dad often did, that we are, "under the judgment of God." They call America evil and warn of immanent destruction. By comparison Obama's minister's shouted "controversial" comments were mild. All he said was that God should damn America for our racism and violence and that no one had ever used the N-word about Hillary Clinton.

Dad and I were amongst the founders of the Religious right. In the 1970s and 1980s, while Dad and I crisscrossed America denouncing our nation's sins instead of getting in trouble we became darlings of the Republican Party. (This was while I was my father's sidekick before I dropped out of the evangelical movement altogether.) We were rewarded for our "stand" by people such as Congressman Jack Kemp, the Fords, Reagan and the Bush family. The top Republican leadership depended on preachers and agitators like us to energize their rank and file. No one called us un-American.

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Consider a few passages from my father's immensely influential America-bashing book A Christian Manifesto. It sailed under the radar of the major media who, back when it was published in 1980, were not paying particular attention to best-selling religious books. Nevertheless it sold more than a million copies.

Here's Dad writing in his chapter on civil disobedience:

If there is a legitimate reason for the use of force [against the US government]... then at a certain point force is justifiable.


And this:


In the United States the materialistic, humanistic world view is being taught exclusively in most state schools... There is an obvious parallel between this and the situation in Russia [the USSR]. And we really must not be blind to the fact that indeed in the public schools in the United States all religious influence is as forcibly forbidden as in the Soviet Union....


Then this:

There does come a time when force, even physical force, is appropriate... A true Christian in Hitler's Germany and in the occupied countries should have defied the false and counterfeit state. This brings us to a current issue that is crucial for the future of the church in the United States, the issue of abortion... It is time we consciously realize that when any office commands what is contrary to God's law it abrogates it's authority. And our loyalty to the God who gave this law then requires that we make the appropriate response in that situation...

Was any conservative political leader associated with Dad running for cover? Far from it. Dad was a frequent guest of the Kemps, had lunch with the Fords, stayed in the White House as their guest, he met with Reagan, helped Dr. C. Everett Koop become Surgeon General. (I went on the 700 Club several times to generate support for Koop).

Dad became a hero to the evangelical community and a leading political instigator. When Dad died in 1984 everyone from Reagan to Kemp to Billy Graham lamented his passing publicly as the loss of a great American. Not one Republican leader was ever asked to denounce my dad or distanced himself from Dad's statements.

Take Dad's words and put them in the mouth of Obama's preacher (or in the mouth of any black American preacher) and people would be accusing that preacher of treason. Yet when we of the white Religious Right denounced America white conservative Americans and top political leaders, called our words "godly" and "prophetic" and a "call to repentance."

We Republican agitators of the mid 1970s to the late 1980s were genuinely anti-American in the same spirit that later Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson (both followers of my father) were anti-American when they said God had removed his blessing from America on 9/11, because America accepted gays. Falwell and Robertson recanted but we never did.

My dad's books denouncing America and comparing the USA to Hitler are still best sellers in the "respectable" evangelical community and he's still hailed as a prophet by many Republican leaders. When Mike Huckabee was recently asked by Katie Couric to name one book he'd take with him to a desert island, besides the Bible, he named Dad's Whatever Happened to the Human Race? a book where Dad also compared America to Hitler's Germany.

The hypocrisy of the right denouncing Obama, because of his minister's words, is staggering. They are the same people who argue for the right to "bear arms" as "insurance" to limit government power. They are the same people that (in the early 1980s roared and cheered when I called down damnation on America as "fallen away from God" at their national meetings where I was keynote speaker, including the annual meeting of the ultraconservative Southern Baptist convention, and the religious broadcasters that I addressed.

Today we have a marriage of convenience between the right wing fundamentalists who hate Obama, and the "progressive" Clintons who are playing the race card through their own smear machine. As Jane Smiley writes in the Huffington Post "[The Clinton's] are, indeed, now part of the 'vast right wing conspiracy.' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-smiley/im-already-against-the-n_b_90628.html )

Both the far right Republicans and the stop-at-nothing Clintons are using the "scandal" of Obama's preacher to undermine the first black American candidate with a serious shot at the presidency. Funny thing is, the racist Clinton/Far Right smear machine proves that Obama's minister had a valid point. There is plenty to yell about these days.

Posted by: dropbrianaline | March 17, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

dyork,

In a vacuum, I would agree with you. But the Ds need to win MI and keep FL competitive in November. Seating their delegates will go a long way toward restoring some goodwill.

Posted by: cam8 | March 17, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

cam8-No, YOU miss my Point entirely,

Obasama CHOSE to spend his $$$$ and his Efforts ELSEWHERE! He was NOT idle!

He made his Bed(That flea-ridden one!), and should HAVE to sleep in it!

The VOTE Occurred, and it was a REAL Vote!

The Republicans suffered due to Crossovers, and they should not be allowed to be REDONE! :-(

Need the Delegates? Release them, or NOT!

Posted by: rat-the | March 17, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I think every superdelegate should be made to attend one of pastor Wrights rants..Watch the congregation with every inflammatory statement they would jump to their feet and applaud. In 20 years don't dare tell me Obama has not seem this.Come on.

Posted by: roncraw | March 17, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

I think every superdelegate should be made to attend one of pastor Wrights rants..Watch the congregation with every inflammatory statement they would jump to their feet and applaud. In 20 years don't dare tell me Obama has not seem this.Come on.

Posted by: roncraw | March 17, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Jake,

That's possible. But, even if she does take back the popular vote total, Obama will regain it a week later after NC and IN.

Posted by: cam8 | March 17, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

cam8

If the rule was established that Michigan and Florida did not count, and all campaigns agreed to it, how is a re-vote proper? Why can't we stick to the decision already made and move on? Then there is no fuzzy math and no fuzzy logic. There is simply adherence to a decision made and agreed to. Simple when you look at it that way isn't it?

Posted by: dyork | March 17, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

P.S. can every State that voted AFTER the initial Florida / Michigan vote "re-vote" then too?

Posted by: JakeD | March 17, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

cam8:

That must have been before Mississippi then, I guess. Still, a difference of 80,000 votes nationwide is a statistical tie. After Pennsylvania, Clinton will retake the popular vote total.

Posted by: JakeD | March 17, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

False premise rat.

Obama (as well as Clinton) pledged not to campaign in MI or FL, according to DNC rules. Rudy is just an idiot who dismissed earlier states as unimportant.

A re-vote is proper so that a legitimate campaign can be conducted in those states.

Posted by: cam8 | March 17, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

bwilsonfan:

I agree that the rules do not allow multiple votes cast by a single person -- Spitzer was already certified as a super delegate since -- do you have a specific rule that disqualifies him upon resignation from his office today? There is a rule for an alternate to be selected, but I still don't see anything that automatically strips (pun intended) Spitzer.

Posted by: JakeD | March 17, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

LOL! OK, so by Dim Logic, since Ruthie Giuliani did not actively run in the earlier Primaries, and instead focused his efforts ELSEWHERE, the States where he did not spend his efforts should have to re-vote, because NOW he wants them! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 17, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

You're still incorrect. If you go to RealClearPolitics and click on Popular Vote, you will see that there is no scenario by which Hillary Clinton leads in the popular vote.

Posted by: cam8 | March 17, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

According to Real Clear Politics, Obama leads Clinton by slightly more than 700,000 votes after 40-plus primary elections. That number drops to just over 300,000 when including Florida's results. Hillary DIANE Clinton received 328,151 in Michigan.

328,151 > 300,000

This is NOT fuzzy math people.

Posted by: JakeD | March 17, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Spitzer's superdelegate vote was not awarded to him personally, but to his office, the Democratic Governorship of New York. That superdelegate vote now belongs to David Paterson--already a declared Hillary Clinton supporter.

Paterson was also previously awarded a superdelegate vote because of his position on the DNC. However, the rules do not allow multiple votes cast by a single person. Therefore, he only has the one vote, which at this point he would cast for Clinton.

Posted by: bwilsonfan | March 17, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I didn't say just Florida, did I? Counting the votes she got in Michigan -- and giving him the zero votes as you pointed out -- puts her over him in popular vote count (of course, as I stated, re-votes in either State could change that).

Posted by: JakeD | March 17, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

JakeD - Actually you're wrong. Even if you include Florida and Michigan (which is a joke because he wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan and didn't campaign in either state), she is still behind in delegates. Even if you include the popular vote from those states she's still behind in that measure too. He's ahead by 170 pledged delegates. She has a superdelegate lead of only 35. If she has a plan for securing the nomination, now would be a good time to share it.

Posted by: danadubose | March 17, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

FALSE. He still leads in the popular vote even if you count Florida. Michigan barack wasn't even on the ballot but she still only got barely over 50% running against nobodies/nothing!

Posted by: jkallen001 | March 17, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

thebobbob:

Just a couple "measures" where she is winning are in super delegates AND total delegates with Florida / Michigan (assuming no re-vote takes place but they are still seated at the Convention). If you count the popular vote from Florida / Michigan, she is winning that as well.

Posted by: JakeD | March 17, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Only the Clinton "reality generator" thinks the 'won' Texas, that they are closing in on Obama, that they've got the momentum.

By every measure, Obama is winning and and making it harder and harder for Clinton to claim anything but her old Senate seat.

At this point, all she can do is be the spoiler. The superdelegates can see the difference between the way it was and the future of the Democratic party. The future always wins.

End the Drama!

Posted by: thebobbob | March 17, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Hillary, we've waited long enough. Its time to be thoroughly vetted. Release the tax returns, earmark requests, and library donors lists.

Posted by: barnardj1 | March 17, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Senator McCain, meet your Opponent;

the Honorable Senator Obama.

The, Madrassa Schooled, ACLU Active, America Hating, Barack Hussein Obama. :-)

Johnny-

Sic-Em! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 17, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure there are private commitments on both sides. Also, I've read the Delegate Rules, and I don't see where Spitzer is automatically disqualified as a super delegated. Add that one to the Credentials Committee fight . . .

Posted by: JakeD | March 17, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

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