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Obama Wins More Delegates in Iowa, Calif.

Updated 11:33 p.m.
By Peter Slevin
CHICAGO - Sen. Barack Obama picked up nine more pledged delegates in Iowa, state Democratic officials said late Saturday night, as thousands took part in county conventions.

All but one of the delegates had been among the 14 won Jan. 3 by former senator John Edwards, who has since dropped out of the Democratic presidential race. Election-night projections showed Obama getting 16 delegates and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton 15.

With the other six standing firm for Edwards at the county conventions, Obama's camp claimed 25 delegates from Iowa to 14 for Clinton.

"This is a very significant improvement for us," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe told reporters of the Iowa result. "We both fought as hard as we could here."

Plouffe said Obama's gains included blue-collar counties where he had finished third in the January caucuses.

If the Iowa numbers hold at the June 14 state convention, which sends delegates to the Democratic National Convention in August, Obama will have gained more than half of the state's delegates. On Jan. 3, he was backed by 39 percent of caucusgoers, compared with 30 percent for Edwards and 29 percent for Clinton.

The Associated Press reported late Saturday that, in final counts from California's Feb. 5 primary, Clinton picked up two more pledged delegates, and Obama added five. According to AP's count, the Iowa and California results give Obama a national lead of 119 delegates, both pledged and superdelegates, over Clinton.

Plouffe said the Obama campaign's numbers show that Clinton must win 65 percent of pledged delegates available in the 10 remaining contests (not counting Michigan or Florida) to overtake the Illinois senator.

"We are running out of real estate here in the contest," Plouffe said.

He noted that the Iowa gain equaled Clinton's nine-delegate win in Ohio -- a detail designed to emphasize a campaign strategy of winning delegates everywhere it can in hopes of outpolling and outmaneuvering the Clinton troops.

Clinton suggested in New Hampshire, where she won five days after the Iowa caucuses, that the Midwestern state counted less because it chose delegates through caucuses. But the Clinton campaign, aware of the stakes as the primary season rumbles toward an end, deployed experienced field staffers to Iowa well in advance of the Saturday gatherings.

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I have been a member of the democratic party for 44 years and I have never seen anything like this primary season. Not even 1968 can top this! So much division and outright animosity toward each other as democrats is ridiculous. We need to stop acting like children and help one of our candidates get elected to the presidency. I think Obama has made it very difficult for himself and all who have put their faith in him by trying to hide his "uncle" in the attic. He should have taken an opportunity to help those of us who know little about the tenor of his church to understand it and maybe this wouldn't be such a HUGE deal for him now. No one should ask Hillary to step aside. That is ridiculous. I believe she will be our nominee because I no longer trust Obama and would not vote for him in the general election. I cannot imagine that I am the only democrat who feels this way. Obama is just a politician who tried to hide something he didn't want us to know until it was too late to examine what it means.

Posted by: padiew | March 17, 2008 2:45 AM | Report abuse

DON'T BE DUPED!!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. "Carpe diem" (harvest the day).

I think Hillary Clinton see's a beautiful world of plenty, and comfort for all. She is a woman, and a mother. And it's time America. Do this for your-self, and your children's future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don't want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-self.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama's. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

Hillary Clinton has been out manned, out gunned, and out spent 2 and 3 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON'T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket now! Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

I think Barack Obama has a once in a life time chance to make the ultimate historic gesture for unity, and change in America by accepting Hillary Clinton's offer as running mate. Such an act now would for ever seal Barack Obama's place at the top of the list of Americas all time great leaders, and unifiers for all of history. But the time to act is soon.

The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton's have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton's. Only the Clinton's are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

"This is not a game" (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith...

Posted by: JackSmith1 | March 16, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Maplestik
Scotched Earth? How about a pint of Guiness instead for St. Pat?

Posted by: joy2 | March 16, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

kreuz_missile Good post.
I just got home from worship at my UCC church here in AZ. It astounds me that people are calling TUCC a "racist" church. The United Church of Christ is one of the most open and welcoming denominations in the country.
If people are going to judge Obama on 3 minutes of statements picked out of Rev. Wright's speeches and sermons - out of 20 years worth - I would guess they weren't going to vote for Obama anyway. It only proves the point that people are prejudging with very little information.

Rev. Wright said this country is run by rich white men. Rev. Wright said this country has racism in its foundation. (Native American, Black, Chinese, Japanese, and Hispanic Americans might agree.)

Has our country always taken the high road in foreign affairs? Case in point: Iraq didn't attack us on 9/11, so why did our government invade and continue to occupy that sovereign nation?
Another case in point: Just the other day, George W. Bush just made a statement to the military leaders in Afghanistan that he ENVIES and thinks what they're doing is kind of ROMANTIC. Good God save us! Does McCain think this way?

Love-it-or-leave-it, you say? No. Love it and fix it. Love this country and get us back on the high road.

Posted by: joy2 | March 16, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

kreuz_missile

WE BOTH HAVE OUR OPINION.
ONLY TIME WILL TELL.

I SINCERELY HOPE FOR THE SAKE OF OUR COUNTRY THAT I AM WRONG AND THAT YOUR FAITH IN THIS MAN IS WELL FOUNDED.

Posted by: chersplace | March 16, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

chersplace,

He's been covered by the major Chicago media outlets for 12 years, which includes some of the biggest name conservative names out there. He sat down for a 90min interview where he vowed tho thoroughly answer all questions, nothing off the table. He has thousands of Hillary bloggers and the highest paid candidate's staff in history hunting down everything he's ever written, every piece of video out there about him, nothing has avoided scrutiny. The idea he hasn't been "vetted" is garbage, and his campaign will spend the next month bringing that home. Here's who he is, what he has done, everything you want to know. Will Hillary allow herself the same level of scrutiny? Doubtful. You've had over a year campaigning, and all you have on him is one statement his wife made, some of his minister's remarks outside his presence, and a connection to one crooked donor that has still, despite all the scrutiny, turned up zero wrongdoing.

A little more for you on his "racist" church:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioaChVw_pUw&feature=related

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Think people! Do you follow blindly what your minister says? Who in there right mind just believes and trust what others say and do. Do you just parrot ideas or are you your own person? Only weak minded people follow blindly or don't ask questions about why is this coming out again? Obama is very level headed and is a leader not a follower. So why on earth, would we think he would just agree or follow blindly?

Think of this from another angle. Is a minister responsible for person who commits murder? Ted Bundy's brother was the one who turned him in to the authorities.

This Wright issue came out in Iowa and Obama answered it then. Now because of the kitchen sink, it's being thrown, it's brought out again. Nobody in their right minds think Obama really believes in his heart of heart or his soul of souls the hate speech that Rev. Wright put out. Anyone who listens to Obama, knows he's all about respect for others, love for others, keeping America strong and safe. It's sad to see people think it's okay to ruin someone's reputation. It's not, it's sad and it's wrong to do it to such a good man. People need to step back and think for a moment. Put yourself in Obama's shoes, who you just believe each and everything that your pastor says or do you take what they say and chose to use it or discard it.

Scotched Earth!


Posted by: Maplestik | March 16, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

People should understand there's a difference between a Man called from God to deliver his word and a pompous motivational speaker. Most so-called preachers are just pulpit-hoggers using the people's need for divine inspiration to serve their own ego. Mr. Obama could have wanted the spirital aspect of the Church, itself, not the rantings of the preacher. My mom "made" me attend Church every Sunday to listen to a preacher who had a great spirital message, but he was a womanizer. He talked about things that just shouldn't be talked about in the pew. I weeded all of that stuff out and just took away from his sermon the word of God. The fair test for anyone who wants to Guilt Obama by Association with the preacher is to look at Obama the man, the individual person and say "Have I heard Obama parrot anything close to what that preacher has said?" The answer is N-O. NO! No way is Obama like that preacher. Obama is not loud and screaming hate. Obama is peaceful and has a whole different demeanor. I have studied Obama. I have watched and waited for any slip-up. I refuse to allow "ANY" candidate to BS me. This man is human. He falls down. He makes mistakes just like the rest of us. I want a real person for president; not a perfect little porcelain doll or a president sooo detached from his country that he doesn't know that gas is $4 (or higher) a gallon. If Obama is going to get the GBA arrow shot at him, then Clinton is the biggest racist for her friendship with Ferraro and she has to be a rapist for being married to Billy. Obama has said that he DOES NOT argree with the "foolish" things that the preacher said. Some of the preacher's rants are understandable; from the point of an angry man, but the pulpit is not the place to spout his hurt. Obama has denounced this man's rants and that is good enough. Unless someone shows that Obama wrote those sermons or shows where he has parroted the preachers personal beliefs (not the word of God), he should not have to defend -one more day- his association with that Church. I personally saw some people looking very embarrassed in that Church. The people clapping probably didn't even know what the preacher said! Most people are so into the spirit of the sermon that they aren't aware when the preacher has gone off course into a rant. What would you do? Sit there and just hope that he gets back to The Word? or storm off? I've sat through many sermons scratching my head as to why the preacher was saying what he was saying, but I never left. Obama has said he wasn't even there when the preacher had those rants. Who's to say what Obama should have done? Why is Obama taking an a@@ kicking for someone else? Wright isn't running for president; just like Billy isn't running. Fair is Fair. There are some foolish men who can say good inspirtional things and there are some good men who can say some foolish things! Fair and balance is the only way to deal with any situation. The Obama drama is just corny media stuff! "REAL" people have enough sense not to ruin a man for the words of an other. Clinton can't become the beneficiary of this through votes. Disagreement does not transform into votes. Hilly has gotten too many votes she hasn't deserved from knee-jerk reactions.

The goal is to get the Democratic Party united and healthy. There will not be a Clinton on the ticket. That era is over! Hail to November 4, 2008!

Posted by: livefreeor | March 16, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile Cheney, heartened by the Lieberman-Kyl resolution (bearing Hillary's endorsement), seeks support by Middle East rulers for an attack on Iran.

Posted by: FirstMouse | March 16, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Dimocrats! LOL!

It's March, do you know who your Candidate will be?

Maybe; Billary, or, Obasama, or Big Gay Al Gore, or back to Biden, maybe Pretty Boy, or we could try Richardson again, or maybe just do all the Elections over and see who has the most support now, or....

It,s October, do you.... ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 16, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

kreuz_missile

THEY WILL MAKE SURE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE START TO GET THE FACTS ABOUT THIS MAN.

THEY WILL OPEN EVERY CLOSET AND PULL OUT WHATEVER HE HAD HIDDEN IN IT. THE MEDIA WILL JUMP ON BOARD AND FINALLY LET THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SEE THIS IMFORMATION.

THEY WILL SHOW PROOF POSITIVE OF HIM BEING IN THIS RACIAL ANTI-AMERICAN CHURCH AND SHOUTING AMEN AT THIS MANS UN-CHRISTIAN SERMONS.

I DON'T HAVE TO GO ON.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO LEARN ENOUGH ABOUT THIS MAN, BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T REALLY PAY ATTENTION TO THE PRIMARIES WILL BE PAYING VERY CLOSE ATTENTION AS WE MOVE TOWARD THE GENERAL ELECTION.
THE MORE PEOPLE LEARN ABOUT THE REAL BARRACK OBAMA THE MORE HOLLOW HIS WORDS OF HOPE, CHANGE AND UNITY WILL SOUND.

I AM VERY SAD THAT BECAUSE OF HIM AND THE MEDIA'S NOT COVERING HIM EARLIER AS THEY SHOULD HAVE, WE WILL ONCE AGAIN PROBABLY HAVE A REPUBLICAN IN OFFICE, UNLESS HILLARY CLINTON IS THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE.

Posted by: chersplace | March 16, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"YOU ARE SADLY MISTAKEN. IF OBAMA WINS THE NOMINATION THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WILL REALLY SHOW PEOPLE WHO HE REALLY IS AND BY NOVEMBER EVEN MANY OF HIS CURRENT SUPPORTERS WILL PREFER ANYONE OVER HIM"

What, exactly, are they going to do that Hillary hasn't already? He's an anti-American Muslim with a racist pastor in his Christian church of 20 years tied to shady landowners in the Chicago political system with no experience other than some speech he gave in 2002, who is basically just an Affirmative Action hire. Where else are the Republicans going to go?

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I don't worry so much about swaying them, so much as others who might read this board. Impartial observers will view them as fools, they'll view us as having facts and reason on our side. Half of winning is showing up, I'm not willing to yield the field to these guys.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

rat-the:

Sorry to offend your well-known delicate sensibilities. Don't enjoy yourself too much.

Posted by: mnteng | March 16, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

gmundenat

YOU ARE SADLY MISTAKEN. IF OBAMA WINS THE NOMINATION THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WILL REALLY SHOW PEOPLE WHO HE REALLY IS AND BY NOVEMBER EVEN MANY OF HIS CURRENT SUPPORTERS WILL PREFER ANYONE OVER HIM

I WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM

Posted by: chersplace | March 16, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

svreader, or Gore!

Posted by: old_europe | March 16, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Why don't we Democrats just solve this whole problem by choosing another candidate?

Why not Edwards or Biden?

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

mnteng-Awwww, what a mean thing to imply! :-(

That I get some malicious JOY out of watching the frenzied Legal Sharks running against each other in the Dim Primaries tear each other to pieces.

I'm HURT!


He HEEEE! MORE Chum! MORE!!!! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 16, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

ac11-First, it has NOT been confirmed as a US Strike, or whether authorization for it might have been granted.

Second, the "Foolish" nature of a Junior Senator's comments were that as a Junior Senator, talking about our Country's active military strategies in diplomatically tangled scenarios was not only un-wise, stupid and un-wanted, it was something that a bill was passed preventing Civilian Representatives from doing to Commissioned Officers such as the Commander in Chief-Who's job Barack Insane was interfering with!

I believe it is the Logan Act, he violated!

Executive material my "Obama"! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 16, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

kreuz missile

What a laugh. Are you going to ask Dick Cheny for the details behind about the no-bid Haliburton war? The Clintons will never talk about how they got their money.

For Obama, it is easy. That is because he is human, a mensch. The Clintons are supported by fat cats and fat cats did not get that way by accident. They are greedy.
Look at Bill's friend, the newly wrought uranium peddler from Canada. Contributed heavily to the campaign!

But it is over anyway. Most Americans loathe the Clintons. They may be afraid of Obama, but the are well and truly sick of the Clintons. There will be a lot more drama of course, but Obama is going to preside over a very sick economy. Hope he is ready for it.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 16, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

kreuz_missile:

Dude, give it up. You're trying to have a reasonable discussion with two of the most virulent posters on these boards (svreader, rat-the). It's a waste of time. It's a shame because svreader used to be more positive (see his post @ 12:51 pm).

But if you want a barometer of how nasty the discussion between Clinton and Obama supporters is getting, monitor the number of posts by rat-the. The less he posts, the more I think he's enjoying watching the carnage -- and the funnier he gets.

Posted by: mnteng | March 16, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-0316edit1mar16,0,2616801.story

"We fully expect the Clinton campaign, given its current desperation, to do whatever it must in order to keep the Rezko tin can tied to Obama's bumper.

When we endorsed Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination Jan. 27, we said we had formed our opinions of him during 12 years of scrutiny. We concluded that the professional judgment and personal decency with which he has managed himself and his ambition distinguish him.

Nothing Obama said in our editorial board room Friday diminishes that verdict.

We said in that same editorial that Obama had been too self-exculpatory in explaining away his ties to Tony Rezko. And we've been saying since Nov. 3, 2006 -- shortly after the Tribune broke the story of Obama's house purchase -- that Obama needed to fully explain his Rezko connection. He also needed to realize how susceptible he had been to someone who wanted a piece of him -- and how his skill at recognizing that covetousness needed to rise to the same stature as his popular appeal.

Friday's session evidently fulfills both obligations. Might we all be surprised by some future disclosure? Obama's critics have waited 16 months for some new and cataclysmic Rezko moment to implicate and doom Obama. It hasn't happened.

Obama said Friday that voters who don't know what to make of his Rezko connection should, in the wake of his discussion with the Tribune, "see somebody who is not engaged in any wrongdoing ... and who they can trust." Yes, he said, he comes from Chicago. But he has risen in this corrupt Illinois environment without getting entangled in it.

Obama tries to live by "high ethical standards," he said. Although "that doesn't excuse the mistake I made here."

Obama should have had Friday's discussion 16 months ago. Asked why he didn't, he spoke of learning, uncomfortably, what it's like to live in a fishbowl. That made him perhaps too eager to protect personal information -- too eager to 'control the narrative.'

Less protection, less control, would have meant less hassle for his campaign. That said, Barack Obama now has spoken about his ties to Tony Rezko in uncommon detail. That's a standard for candor by which other presidential candidates facing serious inquiries now can be judged."

Now to Hillary: what are you hiding?

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

It also looks like Obama also won Texas. So much for Hillary's "only I can win the Big States, therefore I should be the nominee, regardless of the delegate count" argument goes right out the window and into the trash, where it belongs.

Posted by: FilmMD | March 16, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

We cannot trust Obama any more. His campaign is a farce and he is a hypocrit. Words? Just words you mean just lies. Get behind and support Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: TALVES | March 16, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"Isn't this what Barak said he would do as President and Hillary called him on it as being foolish?"

Hillary, McCain, and Bush....

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse


March 16, 2008 the Globe and Mail is reporting that U.S. missiles kill nine in Pakistan

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080316.wpakistanmissile0316/BNStory/International/home

I noticed this story is buried at the bottom of the Washington Post page. Isn't this what Barak said he would do as President and Hillary called him on it as being foolish?

Posted by: ac11 | March 16, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm, considering everything he said turned out to be 100% correct, and everything you say here still tends to be 100% wrong (and not just on opinions, but basic indisputable facts)....

But keep going, you sell your side's position sooo welll

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse


March 16, 2008 the Globe and Mail is reporting that U.S. missiles kill nine in Pakistan

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080316.wpakistanmissile0316/BNStory/International/home

Isn't this what Barak said he would do as President and Hillary called him on it as being foolish?

Posted by: ac11 | March 16, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Whoa! I have never posted before and just finished reading the comments and I just have to say...

rat-the has a lot of hatred in him. Not a tolerant or non-insulting thing to say. I can't imaging feeling that kind of constant ill-feeling toward others of a differing view than my own. I feel sorry for you, rat-the. Relax! You'll stress yourself to an early death.

Posted by: mamamianycole | March 16, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Squawk, Squuuuawwk! Attack our Allies! Attack our Allies!

Squuuawk, Hussein's Beautiful! Beautiful Hussein! Hussein-Hussein! Squaaawwwk, Beautiful!

Squawk, Squawk, Dumb War, Dumb War! Hussein's Iraq-Beautiful!

Squawk Bush bad! Bad Bush! Squawwwwk, Chicken, Chicken Sh-quuuawwwk! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 16, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, 2 October 2002

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances.

The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don't oppose all wars.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain.

I don't oppose all wars.

After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administration's pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such a tragedy from happening again.

I don't oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income - to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Now let me be clear - I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity.

He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.

So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to make sure that the UN inspectors can do their work, and that we vigorously enforce a non-proliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn't simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.

Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.

The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not - we will not - travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain."

Barack Obama, 22 October 2002

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Yup, just ignore the facts...tell yourself whatever you need to believe, nevermind that Saddam Hussein wasn't actively committing genocide, hadn't for years, had no major weapons program, wasn't a threat to the US or his neighbors, just another garden variety pest who coubd be an annoyance when he wanted to. Sure was worth us committing our military to that country for 100 years while making it a recruiting poster for the people who actually did attack us. You were awake and bought into Bush's lies, some of us didn't.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Enjoy it while you can, Obama-haters. Spew your venom. Come November, you will vote for Obama and you will like it. Come January, you will claim you supported him all along. Hillary reminds me of Mike Nifong, another evil putz.

Posted by: gmundenat | March 16, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

kreuz_missile- Pander that misinformation to the other Parrots at (Please)Move On, and Daily Kaos.

I was awake during the whole thing, and I refuse to even debate things with people armed with BS. I do not want it landing on me! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 16, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Umm, couple things...the US is considered incompetent and isolated, our market is crashing (and it bottomed out last time at 8500, btw, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DJIA_during_911.svg ), and the Iraqi people hold little control over Iraq and some, believe it or not, do long for the good old days of Saddam. No one would have been happy to keep Saddam Hussein in power, but some recognized keeping him in power but strongly checked and while preventing atrocities was much more in our intersts than the alternative. If you want to take pride in Iraq and the emerging Shi'ite Imamate under Ayatollah Sadr and the inevitable bloody Civil War that will bring about, that's up to you.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Orlando_Abrhams-You need to reconsider your priorities.
Barack Hussein, would have been very happy to have Saddam Hussein still repressing the People of Iraq, still violating UN Resolutions, still paying Blood Money to Murderous sick in the Head Families in Palestine, Still supplying the Suicide Vests, He would EXTREMELY HAPPY about Saddam FLOODING $$$$$ into the World Labor Party Coffers for More Anti-American protests(Which magically dried up and stopped after his fall), and he would still be happy with the US being perceived as incompetent, and isolated with a CRASHING Stock Market(Was down in the 6,000's).

Barack Insane Obasama is NOT someone this Country should allow to even be a Senator! :-(

I am very Proud to say, we, Americans, gave Iraq back to the Iraqi People, Shia Majority or not, and I am proud of the fact we have prevented wholesale slaughter of MILLIONS of innocent Iraqi's as Power junkies waged an unnecessary Civil War for the Country's resources, disguised as a Religious thing! :-)

Barack, and his Chicken Sh!t supporters, do not deserve any of the Pride for it the rest of us can have! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 16, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I love America! Hillary 2008!

Posted by: loiswhitfield | March 16, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

"Don't try to conflate Hillary with Bush"

I didn't she's done it to herself, both with her votes in the Senate and her Rovian campaign.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

"Read the NYT article about Obama's dismal record in the Senate. Watch the 60 Minutes reports on both candidates."

Wait, I thought the media was shilling for Obama?

I read the article, I saw the report, I firmly back Obama. Hillary would have had my vote six months ago, but she'll never get it now (I'll write in Obama if Hillary's folks steal the nomination now). She can't even run a campaign, how canshe run this country. She has been running for the office for ten years now, and every decision she's made, including the Iraq war vote, was made with this election calculus in mind. She feels entitled to it, she rols out sexism and race baiting to get her way, then blames her opponent for the tactics. Sorry, not buyin' it. She began this campaign with 50% of the country hating her, she will in the end have spent $150 million to ensure that 70% hate her. She damages the party, divides the base, all in the name of her winning the nomination at all costs. You claim she has the good of the people at heart and is not self centered, where is one shred of evidence that this is the case?

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

svreader, should you by any chance be a real Democrat and not one of the Coulter Club Republicans, afraid of Senator Obama's chances to take the Presidency away from the Republicans, then please think about what you are doing here. This is damaging your Party and bad!
see here:
http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/03/16/peak-bile/

Posted by: old_europe | March 16, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

kruez --

Don't try to conflate Hillary with Bush.

Read the NYT article about Obama's dismal record in the Senate.

Watch the 60 Minutes reports on both candidates.

You give Obama far, far, too much credit for the work done by others that he had almost nothing to do with, except getting his name attached to their work.

You want to see Obama elected so badly its competely clouded your ability to look at him critically.

Look at what Obama did in Chicago.

That's the real Obama.

He doesn't care about doing the job, ort about the people who elected him.

Like you, he just wants to win.


Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

My earlier post, still recieving chirping cricketts from the Hillary gallery who constantly claim Obama's running the Affirmative Action race:

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One example for you (I think "solely" is my favorite word here):

"What would be different about having a female president?

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON: Oh, I don't even think we can adequately imagine the difference it would make. It would be the shattering of the highest and hardest glass ceiling. And it would send such a message of hope and opportunity to every little girl, to every young woman.

That's probably the most common thing that people say to me out on the campaign trail. There's two things, actually. One is that, you know, people say, "Well, I'm here because of my daughter," or, you know, "My little girl just learned that we've never had a woman president and, you know, I want her to know she can do anything."

I mean, it would be a very deep change in how people see themselves and who is able to fulfill this position. And I think that it's, you know, I think that...

JUDY WOODRUFF: Do you want people to vote for you for that reason?

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON: No, I've said consistently through this campaign that, you know, I'm asking people not to vote for me solely because I'm a woman. But I am a woman.

And I think there's been, you know, an interesting development in the campaign where somehow, you know, we're expected not to talk about that whereas it is a big difference? I mean, we've never had a mother or a wife or a sister or a daughter in the Oval Office? I think it would be a very big change.

JUDY WOODRUFF: And more of a sea change than to have the first African-American president?

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON: Well, I was just speaking for myself. I think, from my perspective, more than half of our population is female. And so it would have a direct effect on more than half of our population."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/white_house/jan-june08/clinton_02-27.html

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

According to C-SPAN caller this morning. Rev. Wright's sermon clips were destributed by the McCain campaign to Fox, Rush Bimbo and other media outlets. Another attempts by the right wingers to swift boat Obama at this early stage. DEMS stay focus we do not want another 4 or 8 years of GOP in the WH. Clinton or Obama both are better choice.

Posted by: bigben1986 | March 16, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

"He sold people on feeling good about themselves by electing a Black President, rather than focusing the contest on who would be the most qualified."

I ask you now, when has HE ever done this? Hillary tries to sell herself as the WOMAN candidate, and shamelessly shills for sexist affirmative action votes, while Barack constantly downplays his race. Why the double standard? Why is the blatant sexism of Hillary's campaign kosher while Barack is constantly labeled a racist when he is trying his hardest to run away from that label?

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, he doesn't have accomplishments like giving Bush credibility on the War in Iraq or in labeling the IRGC a terrorist organization, legitimizing a future war. No, he just worked across the aisle to bring about major ethics reform, worked to bring more accountability and end secrecy through the"Google for Government" program, passed the Obama-Hagel bill to limit WMD proliferation, etc., so yeah, a colossal failure.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

kreuz --

Obama used charm, telling each group what they wanted to hear, saying one thing to one group and the opposite to another, and "race guilt" to win.

He sold people on feeling good about themselves by electing a Black President, rather than focusing the contest on who would be the most qualified.

He's doing it again.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"THAT SIMPLE. HE DOES NOTHING. HE THINKS EVERYTHING COMES EASY."

An Arican-American named Barack Hussein Obama raised by a single white mother at times overseas who went on to be Editor of Harvard Law Review, yeah, everything I'm sure came easy for this guy. He's lucky he's black...

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

kreuz --

Hillary is figthing both the worlds slickest politican and the press which is shilling for him.

Obama has been a total failure in government.

Hillary went into the Senate fighting a ton of negative PR from the Republicans and the press and became one of our best Senators.

Hillary's going to be a great President.

Obama would be a complete disaster.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Have no FEAR McBush will not win...
unless the Rethuglian's defraud the American again!

Be vigilant!


NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll conducted by the polling organizations of Peter Hart (D) and Bill McInturff (R). March 7-10, 2008. N=1,012 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.1.
RV = registered voters. LV = likely voters. Except where noted, results below are among all adults.


All in all, do you think things in the nation are generally headed in the right direction, or do you feel that things are off on the wrong track?"

3/7-10/08RV
Right Wrong Mixed Unsure
% % % %
20 66 11 3

http://www.pollingreport.com/right.htm


Posted by: tinkabell1 | March 16, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

"Obama's a classical "sales type".

Hillary Clinton spends all her time thinking about issues and policy. Clinton is a classical "nerd" "scientist" or "engineer" type. Its the nerds, scientists, and engineers, that get things done in the world."

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Actually, svreader, in the world of politics, it's the sales type who gets things done and the nerd/scientist/engineer types who fail miserably. Herbert Hoover, James Buchanon, and Woodrow Wilson were probably our smartest, nerd" type presidents, but they all failed because of their arrogance and their innability to inspire or lead. As much as I liked Wilson's philosophy (other than the racist and sexist crap, though he was ok by the standards of his day), he couldn't sell it because he believed himself to be smarter than all others, looked down on Congress with contempt demanding they just go with his ideas without modification, and in the end both lost everything including the Presidency. Hoover was an academic intelllectual, and Buchanon was our most experienced President on paper, and the country fell apart under both of their watches because tehy were absolutely horrible leaders fundamentally out of touch with their people. Having the right idea sn't enough. Hillary's problems aren't that her ideas are bad, her problems is she can't sell them.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse


mnjam -

YOU'RE wrong. The Congress and Senate CAN control a President on ALL of these issues you list. What the heck do you think we're doing RIGHT NOW???

Get a grip.

And those White Haired Trolls are just trying to secure the black vote for eternity by puppeting forth Obama. When he gets the nomination it's hello President McCain.

Obama is NOT Electable, NOT Believeable, NOT who he pretends to be. His agenda is unimaginable by you. He would be a do nothing president anyway - like he was in Illiniois and is in the Senate today.

He used his seat on the Oversight Committee as a GREAT BIG BRAGGING POINT. When he has don NOTHING for OVER A YEAR. Too busy with "his own life". Meanwhile, OUR TROOPS in Afghanistan and the poor, freezing people there ARE STILL WAITING FOR CHANGE.

MR. DO NOTHING OBAMA WON'T BRING CHANGE - HE WILL BRING PRESIDENT McCAIN.

THAT SIMPLE. HE DOES NOTHING. HE THINKS EVERYTHING COMES EASY.

His kitchen sink is full of DIRTY DISHES.

He hid is pastor away and didn't address the questions Americans and the press had for all this time - waiting for delegates to pile up before doing so. He's a freaking sneak.

I'm voting for McCain - I'll even carry signs for him if Obama gets this nomination.

God Bless America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o&NR=1


Posted by: Thinker | March 16, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is the ultimate policy expert.

Like Gore, she's not a natural politician.

Obama can campaign.

Hillary can govern.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"Obama's a consumate politician. That's all he thinks about. Every moment, every brain cell, is focused on his image and how to "get over" on people."

Riiight, Hillary Clinton is not a consumate politician...

svreader, do YOU even beleive the total nonsense you post here?

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

What about the people who froze to death in "Obama's Slums"

What about Obama's dismal record in the Senate, as reported by the NYT?

What about the fact that Obama knows nothing about how to do the job of being President?

If we elect Hillary, we get both Hillary and Bill.

Hillary is the ultimate expert on the issues we face as a nation.

That's what she spend all her time and brain cells on.

Bill was the best President in recent US history.

He turned a Republican deficit into a Democratic surplus.

He did a fantastic job in international relations.

Hillary was Bill's closest advisor.

She'd be a great President.

That's why we should choose her.

We need her experience, insight, and brains.

If we elect her, we get all of that, and all of Bill's experience and expertise as well.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Thinker | March 16, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama picked up the delegates and lost a preacher and a gangster. Has Hussen picked up any other support?

Posted by: retired34yearfed | March 15, 2008 11:14 PM

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Too funny! Hopefully the press reminds us about his close ties with the Preacher and the gangster. Judging by the Post today, the media will try to downplay this as much as possible. I don't think the public will let them.

Posted by: badger3 | March 16, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

It is not too late for the Democratic Party to win the White House. There was a time when it was an automatic win reguardless of which candidate was on the ticket. However,that has all changed and now McCain is closing the gap. If the DNC allowas this to continue the hopes of winning the Presidency will be taken away thanks to the Clinton Campaign.

Hillary has chosen to make this all about race and is dividing the Party. It is not about the Party but her. She has taken the position if she can't be the next President then neither will Obama. Even with the negatives she has thrown at him he is still the stronger candidaate.

Enough is enough, the senior leadership of the Party needs to step in and put a stop to this before she hands the White House over to McCain.

Since the rules were violated by Michigan and Florida they should not be allowed to determine the outcome of this primary. Split the delegates 50/50 and move on before it is too late.

Posted by: kclemons | March 16, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are in love with a man that doesn't exist.

The real Obama, like the real George Bush, is self-centered, arrogant, blind and deaf to reality, and to the needs of the people who elected him, and completely and totally incompetent.

He's a Black Bush.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama is going to beat John McLobbyist and his band of band of crooks so bad this fall he is going to be accused of elder abuse.

Posted by: barnardj1 | March 16, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

What was so false that Obama's ex-preacher said? The preacher told the truth. It is extra hard to walk in the shoes of a black man or woman in this country. And the preacher said it makes some African Americans want to damn America for it. Do you think a child should thank a schoolyard bully for repeatedly beating him up? Beyond that, the preacher and Ferraro represent an elderly generation that is fading into the past. Obama represents a generational change in leadership in our country. His followers want to put the fear and raw divisiveness of the NeoCons into the dustbin of history, where it belongs. Petty innuendo and name-calling aimed at Obama only makes his voters more determined. Hillary is making a major blunder in believing otherwise.

Posted by: mongolovesheriff | March 16, 2008 12:01 PM

9/11 chickens coming home to roost. OMG

Are you too young to remember 9/11?

I talked to seem people on the outside a lot of people are turning away from the un-known.

Obama has ability but is not the man he pretends to be - with no exp what else does he have? Please don't drive us into a ditch.

Posted by: mul | March 16, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

CHILDREN STOP ARGUING AMONG YOURSELVES.

We're in the midst of a senseless and endless war. Our economy on the brink of collapse. We no longer have three co-equal branches of government. Our Constitution is in tatters. Our institutions are breaking down. We've lost the respect of the world and the respect of large percentage of our own population.

And yet too many of you can only throw mud at the Democratic candidates, making up or simply repeating the ugliest rumors and stories you can find. TO WHAT END?

WAKE UP!! We can't save this country, if you don't recognize the real enemy.

YOUR CHOICE-- is the Republican Party the enemy or are you?

Posted by: mhitchons | March 16, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters like to claim that there's "no difference" between the policies of Clinton and Obama, that's clever politics, but a dangerous lie.

Obama's a consumate politician. That's all he thinks about. Every moment, every brain cell, is focused on his image and how to "get over" on people.

Obama's a classical "sales type".

Hillary Clinton spends all her time thinking about issues and policy.

Clinton is a classical "nerd" "scientist" or "engineer" type.

Its the nerds, scientists, and engineers, that get things done in the world.

They're the ones that figure out how things work, what's broken, and how to fix it.

That's what we need, to get out of the mess we're in.

I hope America wakes up before its too late.

I doubt it will.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

To 'Rat The' and 'NqBxt5PQj66Yk8yw | March 15, 2008 10:33 PM' and anymore of the anti-Obama people who try to make Obama out to be anti-patriotic and of those other negative comments intended to turn people against him. I say to you it is time for change in America and not because Obama is a black man but a man that represents and will make changes. Although I will not say that anyone who voted for that Baghdad blunder of invasion and occupation of Iraq has blood on their hands. But the fact of the matter is - that if there are still some warped views amoung you that suggest that this war was/is the right thing to continue then I say you are truly brainwashed. I am an ex-veteran who used to strongly support McCain and still like him a little but what has turned me stronly against him is his never ending support of the blunder undertaken by the Bush administration. Mr. Bush bathes in the blood that has been spilled in Iraq by our men and women and the innocent Iraqies who only wanted to live in peace. Granted Sadamm was a mad man but he had that country in check and the surrounding countries in check. There simply wasn't any terrorism in Iraq before the pre Iraq blunder but you can bet that this will be fertile ground for those rats that hate us to continue to train and target for years to come. And to make matters worse by taking out Sadamm we have blown open the doors for Iran to be a significant menace (ant that is putting it very mildly) henceforth. But all of you who try to defeat and take Obama and his message of change down I say you too bathe in some of that blood. McCain will continue that blunder which will continue to drag us down at 12 billion a month of money that we will never recoup while our country and currency suffers and plummets against all others including Venezuela's which I am telling you that is pretty bad. McCain is simply Bush on steriods with a temper that borders on cantankerousness which is what happens to us all if we are fortunate to live that long. McCain is simply beyond his time. And for those of you that make the argument for Hillary please don't go or try to take us there. Not sure if I would even want her as a VP although she does have valuable experience but far too much baggage. You know when Reagon was running a seem to recall a devout racist from a university in the South who outwardly supported the Reagon. All I am saying is some of the things that Obama is being accused of have happened before in our horrible history of how we treat others who are different. The Republican party is quite strong and doesn't tolerate diversity very well. Simply put although both dems and repubs of which are primarily made up of caucasions have problems seeing a minority - especially a black man - running and possibly getting elected and that is sad especially in this election there is no other logical choice. God Bless America including some of you who are racist fools and othere that continue to harbor some of those il-feeling that have and will continue to be passed down to future generations.

Posted by: orlando_abrams | March 16, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

It seems there is a lot of vitriol flowing back and forth between Clinton and Obama supporters. For myself I could support either one. Their policies are virtually identical.
I feel that Obama has the edge in effectiveness (witness his campaign)and would be a more inspirational leader, but Hillary is smart and tough. Let's remember that removing Bush and his fellow travelers from our government is the paramount goal and stop furnishing them with ammunition for the fall campaign.

Posted by: dhclymer | March 16, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

It was not just Bush's political philosophy, but his arrogance, incompetence, and the placement of loyalty to party over loyalty to country that led to the disasters of the past 7 years, and the failure to remove Bush from office.

The same thing is about to happen again with Obama.

If Obama's the Democratic Candidate, McCain will be the next President, because between now and November, the American public will find out who Barry Obama really is, and they'll decide they'd rather have McCain than him.

The objections to Clinton are shallow and manufactured.

The objections people will have to Obama will strong, valid, and based on Obama's history of over-promising and under-delivering when it matters most.

Americans like to be told everything in sunny and bright and there's "no problem"

We need to face the problems we have as a country and a planet and understand them in enough detail to solve them.

Barry Obama doesn't have a clue in the world about any of this.

He spends every moment, and every brain cell, on his image.

Its working great for him.

It will be a disaster for America.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

What was so false that Obama's ex-preacher said? The preacher told the truth. It is extra hard to walk in the shoes of a black man or woman in this country. And the preacher said it makes some African Americans want to damn America for it. Do you think a child should thank a schoolyard bully for repeatedly beating him up? Beyond that, the preacher and Ferraro represent an elderly generation that is fading into the past. Obama represents a generational change in leadership in our country. His followers want to put the fear and raw divisiveness of the NeoCons into the dustbin of history, where it belongs. Petty innuendo and name-calling aimed at Obama only makes his voters more determined. Hillary is making a major blunder in believing otherwise.

Posted by: mongolovesheriff | March 16, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Go Obama!

Posted by: collacch | March 16, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

If Obama becomes the Democratic Candidate, it will be a disaster for America, and the press will be largely to blame.

Investigative journalism is dead, and we need it now more than ever.

Barry Obama is a slick chicago politician who let the people who elected him rot in unheated slums.

Hs not only not a saint, he's incompetent.

The press wants him to be elected so badly they cheer, just as the did in the run-up to the Iraq war, rather than acting as a "second opinion" for the American public.

If Obama's the candidate, we lose either way.

Either we get Obama, who will be a disaster, or we get McCain, and no improvement in social issues.

I've tried my best to warn people and to get them to do their own research.

I hope its making a difference, but I doubt it.

Like the election of Bush, and the run-up to the Iraq war, nobody wants to think or to their homework.

The just want to be part of the parade.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I was a county convention delegate for Edwards yesterday in Iowa. I think it has to have been one of the most up in the air conventions our county has ever seen. We are not accustomed to having something be so undecided at this point. I had a decision to make as an Edwards delegate. Hold my ground and force policy issues at the state level and probably go as a delegate, or make my vote count now. It was a difficult choice for me, but I chose to go with the Obama camp now, and will not be a delegate to the state convention. The Hillary camp was really off-putting and whining yesterday, one can only imagine the threats of lawsuits they're going to throw around at district and state level. I sat next to a man who had been a Republican and and had run for state Senate as a Republican. I found it absolutely intriguing that we thought alike. Lets make our votes count now. And so we switched to the Obama group. Judging by all reports today, I am glad to have given up a chance to go to the state convention to give more delegates to Obama now. So all of you in Pennsylvania (LOL, my birthplace of Pittsburgh....your vote is really, really important here! I am thrilled that you left your place in voting alone and didn't rush to move up like other states with poor leadership did. Let your votes be heard, and be heard decisively so we can get on with the business of stopping Li'l Bush's third term through McCain, because that's all it will be...more incompetence, more war, more misery.

Posted by: SYWanda | March 16, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

In addition to the Tax returns retained by
Hillary, why the Clinton library is retaining the documents regarding the interrelation of the (some in)last moment BILL's Presidential pardons and the donations of the beneficiaries to Clinton causes, between the the convicted felon Marc Rich and the brothers of Hillary ???

Caminito

Posted by: caminito | March 16, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

To gandalfthegrey (and everyone else) --

Thank you for letting me tell just a little of the story that is so easily misunderstood.

Although I'm not black, I honor the traditions of the black church in America as sometimes the only beacon for racial justice, even though I also understand why white voters do not see the context of Rev Wright's provocative statements. I'd urged everyone to go to a traditional black church and experience the welcome they would find, but I doubt that many will follow that advice. In fact, it is likely to be white evangelicals who are most likely to understand that the church is family and one can disagree with one's pastor of 20 years on the rhetoric of change. For many, I fear, the 30-second video clip will be the beginning and the end of any self-examination.

To anyone who really wonders why Obama would regard Rev. Wright as his mentor after that 30-second clip, I would highly recommend reading the full text of the "audacity of hope" sermon that inspired Obama:
http://www.preachingtoday.com/sermons/sermons/audacityofhope.html

It only takes a few minutes to read, not an unreasonable length of time for anyone of any race, gender, ethnic origin, political persuasion to find much with which they can agree. No, it won't resonate in the same way to everyone. That comes from our own experience in life and the experience of those we love, and nothing is more true than that black and white America have had different life experiences. We now stand at the edge of what may, just may, be a bridge at last. In something as important as changing race relations in this nation, we all owe those few minutes in deciding what direction we want America to go.

I'm not saying that people should vote for Obama just because he is black (or bi-racial), just that we need to elevate the discourse with empathy about where our opponents are coming from. As an Obama supporter, I sometimes find it difficult to deal with the Clinton campaign's approach to politics or the McCain approach to policy. Both are highly distasteful to me. As I invite their supporters to feel some empathy, I would also have to accept their invitations to share what they value above politics. With McCain, patriotism is defined in combat against enemies and his life experiences including his heroism in Viet Nam have shaped that view. For Hillary Clinton, the values above politics are less easy to see -- the values for which she would sacrifice political fortune -- and I'd like to hear about them.

Posted by: ajclayton | March 16, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Here is the answer to those who fault Mr. Obama for not wearing a flag on his person:

The Flag Code states that the flag should never be worn. (Section 8d): "The flag should never be used as wearing apparel."

Posted by: df12259 | March 16, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I have a thought for those on this thread who continue to chant that the Democrats will suffer a great defeat in November.

Perhaps you need to take a moment and look around at our country.

When I look around, here are a few things that I see:

* A continuing war in Iraq that has cost our nation nearly 4,000 young kids killed, and moreover nearly 25,000 wounded - many, many of them grievously wounded.

* A continuing war in Iraq that is costing our treasury about 10 BILLION dollars each and every month.

* A housing mortgage collapse that is driving down the value of all of our homes - for most of us our homes are our greatest investment and we are losing money everyday.

* A credit market collapse that dwarfs the mortgage industry problems and is threatening the very foundation of our capitalist society - here and among our allies.

* Gasoline prices at the pump predicted to rise past $4.60 per gallon by the end of May.

* Tens of thousands of workers losing their jobs every month and the nation teetering on the edge of a very serious recession.

Just take a moment and look around. Look at the total voter turnout in the 40 primary and caucus states who have voted thus far. -- Notice anything?

I've noticed an overwhelming number of new voters and "recovered" voters rising from their "couches" and making the trek to the polls to cast a vote.

They are voting Democratic by more than a 2 to 1 majority.

Why? Well here is a quote from this very newspaper - today:

"It's no mystery," said Rep. Thomas M. Davis III (R-Va.). "You have a very unhappy electorate, which is no surprise, with oil at $108 a barrel, stocks down a few thousand points, a war in Iraq with no end in sight and a president who is still very, very unpopular. He's just killed the Republican brand."

Yes, my friends - the old Republican warrior has once again accepted the challenge to serve his country -- and he will throw himself on the grenade of the George W. Bush legacy.

But, he knows, and we know that he will not win the Presidency. And, the Republicans know that huge majorities in both houses of Congress will go to the Democrats.

It is going to be an electorial disaster for the Republican Party - thanks in the most part to the guidance of Dick Cheney, the ineptitude of Don Rumsfield, and the blind stubborness of their "boss" - the Dunce of D.C.

We are going to have a Democrat in the White House and huge majorites of Demmocrats in both houses of the Congress.

And, they will face the most God-awful mess that this country has seen since the Great Depression.

So - to all the angry Bush apologists -- you had better take a deep breath and try to figure how you are going to survive the next 4 years -- because in your hearts you too KNOW THIS -- we are going to do it with a Democrat in the Oval Office.


Posted by: gandalfthegrey | March 16, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

So many Americans voted for Barack Obama without knowing anything about him and now that we are finding out more about him every day I'll bet a lot of people wish they had knew more prior to casting their vote. By no stretch of the imagination is Hillary Clinton the ideal or perfect candidate, however, I think you would be hard pressed to find her linked to the radicals that Barack has spent the last 20 years surrounding himself with.

I know many are quick to dismiss the recent video that has circulated the globe 3x over with Baracks Pastor spouting out the most hateful comments that have been heard in this country since David Duke ran the Klu Klux Klan. Personally, I believe that before people dismiss a 20 year relationship with someone so close to Barack Obama they better know a whole lot more about him, so far the media and the U.S. voters have given him a free pass.

Even if people dismiss his 20 year relationship with his Pastor, who absoultely hates white people and blames the Government for everything bad that's happened the last million years, then people should examine closely his relationship with Louis Farrakhan, and with other individuals who were suspected of bombing the Capitol during the 1970's. And, even if people are so blind they want to look passed all of his relationships with radicals, who despise and hate anybody not African American, than listen to his stance on wanting to raise taxes one trillion dollars, or listen to how he wants to butcher the U.S. military and run and hide from every enemy the U.S. has. If Barack Obama spends 4 years in the White House it will set our country back a 100 years. It will divide this country not in half, but into pieces. Before people cast their vote, make sure you know who you are voting for. Germany made a mistake 80 years ago by putting the wrong person in charge and nobody in the history of the world will ever let them forget that mistake again, I don't think we should make the same mistake with Barack Hussein Obama, it's going to be too costly.

Posted by: Ruth3 | March 16, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Superdelegates must be pretty much like all Democrats. They won't want to be -- or be seen as -- un-Democratic, top-down elitests imposing their will upon a majority. They won't want to do unnecessary damage to their personal reputations or historical profiles in the name of courage. For instance, they will be very dubious of the political cover afforded by some such "principle" as choosing the "best" aspirant, in Ferraro's terms. They won't want to back a loser. Probably they are mindful that candidates remember how early or late a superdelegate entered a commitment to their candidacy. And like the rest of us, they do hope and act on behalf of a better country...rather than a third term for a triangulating, faintly Bush-like administration. Superdelegates will welcome provisional new Democrats (PNDs) and the ticket leader who promises to bring forth these fresh voters - independents and even some Republicans, as well as younger people.

Posted by: FirstMouse | March 16, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

They don't like the clintons in Iowa.

People in Iowa must thin 9/11 is our fault.

They know what it is like to be called N unlike HRC who never had any adversity.

Red state Dems are going to flee Obama in droves.

Posted by: mul | March 16, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I am an Asian scientist and I do not work for the Clinton campaign. I have donated money and volunteered my time because I believe in Hillary as the best candidate for the job.

So Obama supporters, please do not refer to Clinton supporters as drones or call them other insulting names.

Is it so hard for you to see a point of view that is different from your own?

Posted by: alee21 | March 16, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

It is very interesting to see how the Obama campaign, the media and the Obama fans are so quick to label Hillary and Bill Clinton as racist when they made factual statements about Jessie Jackson winning South Carolina with 80% of the Black vote. They quickly labeled Mrs. Clinton as racist and as trying to diminish Dr. Martin Luther King by saying that it took a president to pass the Civil Rights Act when it did. All this was done as a way to diminish her support among Blacks and it continues to work.

The Obama fans daily write post that call Mrs. Clinton all kinds of names and say such mean, hateful things about her while repeating rumor and inuendo. To me, that is doing exactly what their candidate reportedly is against. Why is Mrs. Clinton continually held to a different standard than Mr. Obama? If this information came out about Mrs. Clinton's minister of 20 years, the same minister that married the Clinton's and baptized Chelsea Obama people would have hung her up by her toes. She would be called racist and probably run out of the party.

Obama people want Mrs. Clinton to be scrutinized fully, You all want this full disclosure, transparency for Mrs. Clinton but when it comes to Obama everyone screams unfair and racisim.No need to look into his dealings because he's the man, he gets a free pass. Why is she held to a different standard? Be honest with yourself, to hear Obama say he never heard these remarks by his minister of 20 years is unbelievable!

It's also interesting how Obama fans have completely diminished how well this country did under the 8 years of Bill Clinton. It's funny when the question is asked are you better off now than you were 4 or even 8 years ago and a good majority of us will honestly say yes, lets not forget it was under Bill Clinton.

Posted by: catmomtx | March 16, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I said a month ago it is all over but the shouting. But there is so much of it!

As the Clintons circle the drain, their sockpuppets get more desperate and more ugly every day.

But could everyone please stop telling each other to get back on their meds?

Insulting each other is supposed to be against the rules, but since it obviously is not, I implore the 5 Clinton employees who spam these blogs: please be a little more creative with your gutter balls.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 16, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

To ajclayton |

Thank you. You told us a tiny piece of a story that many folks did not live and now, do not understand. Walk a mile in his shoes, my mentor used to tell me...and then you might understand some of what he knows.

Keep strong.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | March 16, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Reverend Wright has invoked "Liberation theology" as justification for his inflammatory messages. Guess that is supposed to give it the aura of religious and intellectual legitimacy. That certainly plays well within the black community but, among the wider community that Senator Obama must appeal to, it is perceived as a message of intolerance and hate.

As anyone knows who has been involved in an EEO investigation, perception is REALITY - no matter how contorted. Senator Obama has a BIG problem.

Posted by: magellan1 | March 16, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I want to see where Bill and Hillary's big $50 million income over the last 8 years came from. This is very relevant as Hillary injected $5 million of this into her campaign. Are we seeing money from the Ukrainian and Kazakh gangsters end up influencing our elections?Clintons let's see your tax forms for 2000-2007.

Posted by: majorteddy | March 16, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

The Democrats are digging a hole for themselves by promoting Obama. He can not win the general election, period.

Getting 25% of the white votes plus low support from Hispanics (there has been feuding between Blacks and Hispanics for years) spell disaster in November. Some of the superdelegates need to think about their future before they get onboard the Titanic.

Only cool heads can prevail. Take a deep breath and ask yourself : Forget about the polls, but does the mathematics adds up?

Posted by: gwshening | March 16, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Senator Clinton must feel a little like the town marshall in the movie High Noon. Everybody wants him to leave town, but he stays and prevails against the odds. That's why Hillary's supporters like her so much. She's not a quitter.

Posted by: brewstercounty | March 16, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Obama is half white and was raised by his white mother and grandparents in a Non-Black environment in a generation after Rev. Wright. And, should not be quilty by this association. Additionally, the speech shown so often is of Rev. Wright speaking at Howard University and not in the pulpit of Obama's church. As a Black person, I have heard these type of speeches and more in the pulpit. They do not reflect my views. They also have not made me want to abandon my church home. Church loyalty is not tested by a pastor's occasional sermons you may disagree with or outright reject, but by the bond with your family. This goes deeper than who is in the pulpit and is based on the lifetime body of work of your church. Pastors come and they go, but the church family remains. The person who helped you when your mother died is there, the family who served as your surrogate family is there, and so on. There are roots that bind you to the church, and it is not just the voice and the face in the pulpit that sometimes says mean things. Rev. Wright's inflammatory remarks are the result of the left over fustrations of a generation of Black men and women. As the generation of Blacks after them, our experiences are different and we do not see the world through theri lense. However, we do understand the basis for their feelings and viewpoints. My generation does not think, act or respond in lock step. We do however, acknowlege that these opinions exist and we move on. We realize that some of the generation of White and Black citizen before us are locked in a dichotomy of race. Barack, offers an opportunity for America to loosen it grip to this dichotomy. Isn't it crazy that the same people that label him a Muslim manchurin candidate now believe he is under the influence of a hate-filled Christian minister???? Finally, the only instance in which one is required to place their hand over your heart is during Pledge of Allegiance. On other occasions it is an individual choice. Please remember that, David Duke, George Wallace, D.B. Griffith, Barry Goldwater, Strom Thurman, Trent Lott, Governor Blibo, Jesse Helm, Seantor King (Iowa) ad nausem all displayed the outward sign of allegiance. The things said on this blog on both sides of the aisle would make these white seperatists delighted to see that the seeds of their allegiance to racism and race hating alive and well in 2008.

Posted by: friendlyfire | March 16, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

ANTI-OBAMA SMEAR MANIFESTO:

START BY SAYING THAT YOU ARE

a. an Obama Supporter

THEN INCLUDE THE "SMEAR DU JOUR"

MOST IMPORTANT:

KEEP REPEATING IT OVER AND OVER!

(be sure to keep changing your name)

MOST IMPORTANT !

never let on that you're supporting McCain

Posted by: kevinlarmee | March 16, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

"During the Democratic primary, Obama supporters were seen spitting on Clinton supporters at the Metro"

OH MY GOD!

CALL FOXX!

an obama supporter spit on a clinton supporter!!!!!!

THIS IS BIG !!!

this can be the next smear du jour !!!

S P I T - G A T E ! ! !

(add it to the whispering campaign that he's a Muslim, that he's Black, that he's not Black enough, that he's full of hate, that he doesn't hate enough, that his milkman has outstanding parking tickets, that..)

Posted by: kevinlarmee | March 16, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

There is obviously a great amount of underlying hatred for America by many both black and white. To believe that Obama is and was not aware of the culture of his house of worship is to believe that ones grandmother is a virgin. What Patriotic American would not be repelled by the pathetic rhetoric of Obamas so called pastor. The verbage used by this raving lunatic was a vehicle for inspiring hatred and division. It is no wonder that Wright is close with Farakahn who also expounds the same philosophy. What the Obama worshipers out there cannot understand is that Obamas past is also part of his future. He is a dyed in the wool racist and will set back the gains America has made to heal the racial divide in the last 40 years. Hopefully those out there who believe in America, who truly believe in racial equality, who truly are religous and reject the vitriolic pathetic rehtoric of Obamas raving lunatic so called religous leader of the past 20 years will halt the Obama campaign in its tracks in the next 10 democratic primarys. I am not a Clinton supporter, but I am a patriotic American who understands that although not perfect, America is still the land of the free and the home of the brave. We build fences to keep people out, not to keep them here. So America haters if you think things a are so terrible why not just leave. Cuba, Syria, Iran, Russia, North Korea, Indonesia, will welcome you. One suggestion don't criticize their government if you value your limbs!

Posted by: ziggy1 | March 16, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I have been astonished for months on the level of hatred Obama supporters have for Clinton supporters. During the Democratic primary, Obama supporters were seen spitting on Clinton supporters at the Metro. I wondered how Obama with such a message of hope and change could insprie such hatred in his supporters and then came Rev. Wright. Question answered.

Posted by: jlg1 | March 16, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

About Obama's pastor. Let me be nostalgic. Before the 1963 March on Washington, when I was a young white female, I worked in the civil rights movement, in Memphis/Mississippi, Virginia and on the streets of Washington, DC. Civil rights workers who respnded to Birmingham by trying to get people out for the March on Washington would go to historically black churches to be inspired by some of the greatest preachers the world has known. We saw nothing unusual about hearing about a nation's shame inside those churches. We saw nothing suprising about those churches being courageous enough to welcome us. Outside those churches sometimes were Malcolm X and his followers. They acted as physical guardians of our right to be there -- but I can remember having an argument of sorts outside a Washington church with Malcolm X. Invariably polite and low-keyed in person, he argued to me that whites should not be participating, that this black revolution had to be done by blacks alone. I disagreed, audaciously, but I admired the man. I would come home from being target practice for passing cars with racist drivers as I walked on the road, placard in hand, to Fredericksburg, VA, past the still-lived-in slave quarters of a century earlier and would turn on the radio. There would be Elijah Muhammad preaching about "white devils." My point is this: If you couldn't understand where Malcolm X and Elijah Muhammad were coming from, you didn't belong in the civil rights movement even as you disagreed with all your heart and body with their pessimism about racial harmony. We shared anger about racial injustice and a willingness to place our lives on the line to fight against it. That was not hating America. That was loving the best of this nation inside us.

That is why I say that white voters today have very little understanding of where many older black preachers are coming from. The black church historically has been the place for people to speak what they dared not speak in public. The preaching may sound angry, filled with hate. But it is hating of racial injustice and its consequences and the unfulfilled dream of America, the kind of hatred that only someone who loves this country and wants more from it could feel. Preachers like Rev. Wright -- who was a US Marine, by the way -- inspired their congregation to more than self-pity. They demanded more than personal escapes of black Americans from oppression. They insisted that those left behind must not be forgotten, that we all are judged in how we treat everyone on this planet. Among my younger black professional friends, I suspect many find nothing wrong in what Rev. Wright said but dare not say so because they realize that whites simply do not understand the message. That's not the same as hating America. In the unique tradition of the black church, where words have carried double meanings of anger and hope, it is hating the racism we must purge from this nation in how we deal with one another in our neighborhoods, in our nation and in this entire world.
Harvard may have shaped Obama's mind, but it was Rev. Wright's church that inspired him to believe that change must come from the people up to politicians.
I would think less of Obama if he had thrown Rev. Wright from his campaign bus, even as I recognize as I'm sure he does that most white voters have no idea of how such preaching can be inspirational and inclusive, not hate-filled. I wish they did. I wish everyone who has concerns here would go to a historically black church and sit in the congregation -- and talk with members of the congregation. They would find a welcoming family. White America has nothing to fear from a candidate who wants to move this nation beyond racial polarization.

By the way, I'm an atheist -- and a feminist.

Posted by: ajclayton | March 16, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Jackson_dem_73. The Clintons have 'given' $225,000 to superdelegates in addition to the fact that they have the Clinton name and political machine that has been around for at least 15 years. Donations and Favors are the two things politicians trade most. I have no problems with the way the Obama Campaign is being run.

It is good to see that the Obama Campaign marches on inspite of this latest "one-two" Ferraro-Wright punch from the Clinton Campaign.

If you are a Clinton supporter I wouldn't start celebrating just yet. Obama was supposed to be toast on Super Tuesday after the 'racial tone' of the South Carolina Primary. Didn't happen that way did it?

Posted by: Absolute_0-K | March 16, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

There is one headline I would like to see: Obama WINS Texas. According to www.realclearpolitics.com, he now had more delegates from Texas than Clinton.
Surely that should strain the story line of: he can't win a big state.

Posted by: gerard | March 16, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

rat-the:
Why aren't you in Iraq right now fighting for the country you love?

thinker:
Love the irony of your moniker dude.

svreader:
Stop boring us.

Posted by: mack1 | March 16, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

I fail to see how a woman who is unable to plan and execute a properly organized election campaign is supposed to be qualified to run an entire country.

Posted by: dunnhaupt | March 16, 2008 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Michigan and Florida need a re-vote and the remaining states need to have their say. Otherwise how can ANYONE claim to have the popular vote? The fact is that no candidate has every been made president without at least gaining Michigan, Florida, PA or Ohio.

Since 1988, Bill Clinton is the only one to take Ohio and he took it in both 1992 & 1996 and it turned and stayed red since then.

PA has been blue every year since 1988, but Dems are losing ground. Clinton took it by 9%, Gore by 5% and Kerry by only 3%.

Florida has only been blue once since 1988 and that was when Bill Clinton turned it blue in 1996.

Bill Clinton turned Michigan blue in 1992 with a 13% advantage and it has been blue ever since, however Kerry only won it by 3%. Do Dems really want to make Michigan voters angry enough by making Obama the nominee without allowing them to vote for their choice as well? Many Dems felt their votes did not count in 2000 because Gore received the popular vote, but electoral votes gave him the White House. Obama can not possibly get the popular vote UNLESS Michigan and Florida get their chance. Voters in Michigan and Florida were not the people that decided they wanted their primary moved forward, it was the party bosses/elites that made that decision.

If you want Michigan and Florida voters to just stay home in November, then take them out of the equasion now and "hope" that OB can will with 100% of the black vote.

Posted by: cjones210 | March 16, 2008 7:00 AM | Report abuse

Obama has given over 700,000 to superdelegates, change you can buy?

Posted by: Jackson_dem_73 | March 16, 2008 6:58 AM | Report abuse

nqb, svreader, thinker, lowatreasures, et al --

It's always amusing to read your anal rants on the boards. You should really consider seeking professional help for your mental problems, you know.

You seem to be very upset that Obama is not perfect -- as Hillary is (ha!) -- and you don't appear to be able to let go of the idea that ethical integrity is of paramount importance in this campaign.

On that score you are right. Ethics and integrity are at the very core of the discussion of who's the best candidate for prez. However, you are undermining your own argument by supporting the Clintons.

You wring your hands in disgust at Obama's actions -- past & present -- his choice of associates, and nit-pick about every crack in the sidewalk he has ever stepped on, yet you have no hesitation when defending the disgustingly negative and divisive machinations of the Clinton campaign.

Why is that? The Clintonistas preach about how flawed Obama is, all the while, throwing as much s#*t as you can lay your hands on at him. How is that ethical? How is that right?

And yet you have the balls to impose ethical standards upon Sen. Obama?! Try applying the same criteria to the Clintons, for a change, and see how they compare. My bet is, very poorly.

Posted by: nads1 | March 16, 2008 6:55 AM | Report abuse

Obama you have no credibilty left. I guess you just happened not to be in church on the sundays anti-american hate speech was delivered, but oonn the sundays you were in church the "sermons" were all love and hope...yeah right..drop out of the race obama, you are not the candidate of hope and unity, you are a man who attended a very anti american, non inclusive , separatist preaching "church" for 20 years

Posted by: Jackson_dem_73 | March 16, 2008 6:54 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA's pastor reveals that he is surrounded by people who think like OSAMA with Kool Aid

Posted by: vs_sv | March 16, 2008 6:30 AM | Report abuse

Hillary does not care about the party, nor the young people who have been inspired! All she cares about is winning something that she cannot win except by destroying something more precious than her dream for a victory! She seems to represent the worst of the politics of the past! There should be a woman with more class that should be the first female, and they have many classier individuals than Hillary. Imagine after George W, Hillary. The nation would be destroyed! We need another way of looking at life!

Posted by: dorianbeverly | March 16, 2008 6:22 AM | Report abuse

Let me do the math for you. Before Iowa county conventions yesterday and California final count Obama had 161 pledged delegate lead and an overall 131 delegate lead. After gaining 14 more pledged delegates late staurday, the total should be as follows: Obama 1421 to Clinton's 1248 pledged delegates. That gives Obama a lead of 173 pledged delegates. Therefore adding to that Obama's and Clinton's CNN total of Super Delegates 207 (Obama) -237 (Clinton), the Total delegates for Obama is 1629 to 1486 to Clinton. Therefore the total delegate lead fo Obama is now 143. These are the real math. Pledged delegate total is taken from Obama's website which gives full pldged delegate count for all the states including Colorado too.

Posted by: hunt778 | March 16, 2008 5:52 AM | Report abuse

DEAR DEMS,
Obama is refreshing. It's too bad no one has the guts to go THIRD PARTY AND STAND UP AGAINST THE CONTROL OF BOTH REP AND DEM PARTIES. PRESIDENTS DON'T MAKE FOREIGN POLICY ANYMORE, THOSE WHO CONTROL THE FINANCIAL DO.
ANY POLITITION THAT STANDS AGAINST THAT HAS GUTS, BUT WILL BE KILLED.

Posted by: kristmas1 | March 16, 2008 5:28 AM | Report abuse

Oh, LOL! Dimocrat Socialists!

Well, as the good Minister and "Uncle" Wright would scream;

GOD D@MN IOWA and CALIFORNIA! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 16, 2008 4:45 AM | Report abuse

I cannot see how Hillary Clinton thinks she can win the nomination honestly. But somehow, HRC and her husband do not strike me as honest people, so they seek the dishonest way to steal the nomination. Shame on the DNC if they let this happen!

History and political science scholars will write for decades about this campaign and the brash junior senator from Illinois who took on the establishment candidate and put that candidate on the ropes. Obama's movement will be the standard case study for years to come as far as campaigning goes (Howard Dean is its precursor).

OBAMA/RICHARDSON '08!

Posted by: meldupree | March 16, 2008 4:37 AM | Report abuse

David2007---

Good try, but the truth is that Obama did nothing wrong. These are people he knows. They are not him. Guilt by association doesn't fly with this voter.

Posted by: storyofthefifthpeach | March 16, 2008 3:36 AM | Report abuse

NqBxt5PQj66Yk8yw, I've seen LOTS of people wearing American Flag pins - who lack patriotism. Patriotism is a way of life...NOT an object. In additon, you cite the law regarding the National Anthem...it has long been an accepted practice to hold one's hand over one's heart during the Pledge of Allegiance - but not a requirement for the National Anthem - I was taught in a Catholic School that was EXTREMELY patriotic. I think, perhaps, the point to make here is that objects and how you physically stand is not the measure of patriotism - how you fight for the rights of your country's people is. How you speak about your country is. How you defend your country is. The only analogy I can think of is the Christians worshipping idols...symbols, rather than the creator. It is America that should be held dearly in our hearts - and spoken of with our hearts...anyone can wear a pin - that does not show patriotism.

svreader - go do some research...it will give you something to contribute.

Posted by: ndolan622 | March 16, 2008 3:34 AM | Report abuse

http://www.kake.com/home/headlines/14776921.html

This is a site where Obama came into my town with a very diverse crowd attracted to him, many white staffers on board with his campaign and he goes into his family background with respect. He is proud that his mother and grandfather brought him up despite the fact his father left the family. He is proud of how they helped him get an education, like he wants all of our children to have. He told the diverse crowd, "We are family."

Let me repeat that, WE--ARE--FAMILY. We are all linked to the first 2 human beings to ever walk this entire planet. I have no reason to doubt Obama based on all evidence I have seen.

Posted by: Obama2008 | March 16, 2008 3:30 AM | Report abuse

hilda.potter---

Obama is going to be our next president. I have a bottle of champagne chilling in the fridge right now waiting to celebrate.

Posted by: storyofthefifthpeach | March 16, 2008 3:30 AM | Report abuse

NqBxt5PQj66Yk8yw----

You posted the EXACT same post on the NYT blog. It seems to me a lot of the posts here are by Hillary-bots.

Obama '08.

Posted by: storyofthefifthpeach | March 16, 2008 3:28 AM | Report abuse

I am very happy to see that there are people out there whom remain understanding and fairness in judgment. The media has not thrown the curve, and we may continue to press forward for unity and change.

Either Obama or Hillary '08. My first choice is with Obama. Regardless what information of the preacher the media has displayed, they'd have to prove to me directly that Obama stands for racism.
He is a man of integrity and he is in to improve this country and involve us as a people together. He will tell us what he thinks on particular issues. All the evidence I have seen, is Obama rallying THE PEOPLE in general together for a common cause (be they white, hispanic, black, asian, democratic, republican)...and I remember when he came to my state and I still have clips in full. I imagine what I have witnessed online and in person from him, is the same everywhere he's been so far and that I can only conclude in contradictory to how the media has tried to persuade people with that lack of direct evidence to incinuate that he's a racist (even given the fact that he's half white and was mainly raised by his white side of the family because his father left the family at his very young age- that clearly doesn't add up).

If everyone would like to see how he included some of his white family members in the audience whom support him and with love, and how he told the crowd, "We are family." That's the mentality we all need to have. Who cares what he looks like outside, he is of the human race as we all belong to. He is qualified to be our president, and he is in to do us nothing short of good. He is a sincere man and I will second guess the media's efforts until they provide me direct proof that Obama is otherwise. He is a man with his own thoughts, and we have seen him nationwide, we have seen his character and his actions are consistent that he's no man of hatred. I will post you the links.

We need to stand together and unite people, and not let the media wrongfully get us sidetracked.

Posted by: Obama2008 | March 16, 2008 3:22 AM | Report abuse

NqBxt5PQj66Yk8yw,

Obama has said nothing against the American Flag, he has spoken of not wanting to wear an American Flag Pin on his lapel. I would agree with him since it appears to me that for some few years now the people most sticking such items in our faces and bragging their patriotism all over are the ones who misled us into a war of choice that has accomplished nothing other than make certain corporations and people very very very rich, killed over 4,000 of our own troops and untold 100s of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians (I'm sure you don't believe any such exist - by now you may be right), and turned an entire dangerous section of the world from mostly people who don't like us into mostly people who utterly despise and hate us (i.e., the type willing to die with bombs under their clothes just to get some of us - you know, terrorists, the type we were supposedly taking out).

I don't think Obama despises the American Flag, I think he despises the type who try to make him wear a (Chinese made?) flag pin on his lapel in order to "prove" his patriotism, where they are in fact attempting to use a non-issue to point out that he (or others not kowtowing to their ridiculous demands) is NOT a patriot - as if they could possibly know, these phonies.

Also, thank you so much for your repeated posts of the same links and crap over and over and over again, to waste all of our time.

Posted by: pmbster | March 16, 2008 3:21 AM | Report abuse

Let's get real.

This is absolutely nothing short of character assassination, by association.

HILLARY CLINTON PAYS HOWARD WOLFSON almost the same amount of money in one month as the elected President makes in a whole year.

And MRS.BILL CLINTON is the person who PAYS HOWARD WOLFSON for this relentlessly swarmy, vile and vicious attack on a Christian family man.

How about attacking an

OBAMA/FEINGOLD 2008 ticket, Mr. Wolfson?

or will you counter with a
Hillary Clinton/ Norman Hsu 2008 team? if Mr. Hsu is not in prison ?

Posted by: ProgressivePatriot | March 16, 2008 3:16 AM | Report abuse

Clinton will drag the Democratic party into the mud, before she considers losing the nomination to Obama. Her assertion that McCain would serve as a better commander in chief, war thirst and all, than Obama means that she has a nominate me or lose mentality. Her desperation, her Rovian scare tactics, her inflexibility, her poor campaign coordination, and her vicious approach toward obstacles show Clinton to be unfit to face the challenges of today and tomorrow. Clinton is not presidential material; she will not be able to stand up well against McCain. The right has so much salable ammunition against her, which they haven't against Obama. Believe me, McCain wants Clinton as the Democratic nominee.

Posted by: StaggoLee | March 16, 2008 3:03 AM | Report abuse

Barack should drop out. Nobody will vote for him because he's a liar. How can any reasonable person believe that he didn't know his pastor and his congregation were racists?
He can't win.
He needs to put America first and just drop out, but he won't because he, his mentor/pastor, his wife, and his church HATE AMERICA! (She's never been proud to be an American) :-(

God help America if he's the nominee.

Posted by: hilda.potter | March 16, 2008 2:56 AM | Report abuse

muddubbertd and Nq...

Your comments adequately express my feelings and I strongly recommend that all rational folks take time to read them as expressed earlier in this column. Oh, did I say RATIONAL? OBAMA, yes!

Posted by: cornelstephe | March 16, 2008 2:47 AM | Report abuse


To mascmen7

You write:
"Reichfuhrer McCain visiting Europe to lobby for an Iran War"

1) The "Reichsfuehrer" ADOLF HITLER sent visiting "Reichsminister" RUDOLF HESS to Great Britain to lobby for peace

So you are documenting that McCain is the
exact opposite of Adolf Hitler, I am sure that this is what you wanted to say !!!

By the way, that Rudolf Hess was lobying for a real peace is equally false as that NcCain is lobbying fo a war with Iran !!

Seriously, what is true: That GB, France and USA wanted not to menace Hitler with war (when it was still time), if he continued annexing Europe piecemeal, was the main cause of WW2. Pacifists at the wrong time were always the inductors of war !

Caminito


Posted by: caminito | March 16, 2008 2:34 AM | Report abuse

Cute visual, svreader, but do you really want to get into a "who's cleaner" argument between Obama and the Clintons?

Posted by: mpl2 | March 16, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

willowbarcelona , I disagree.

Tracy Morgan was funny, until the end. But the "black is the new president,B-TCH" didn't work.

You DON'T disrespect Blacks with derogatory slang; and you DON'T call women 'B--CH!'

which is disparaging; belittling, meant to detract and deminish, unless it is spoken affectionately by another WOMAN!!!

Posted by: thinktank | March 16, 2008 2:31 AM | Report abuse

willowbarcelona , I disagree.

Tracy Morgan was funny, until the end. But the "black is the new president,B-TCH" didn't work.

You DON'T disrespect Blacks with derogatory slang; and you DON'T call women 'B--CH!'

which is disparaging; belittling, meant to detract and deminish, unless it is spoken affectionately by another WOMAN!!!

Posted by: thinktank | March 16, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

Sadly, Clinton's Supporters Are Almost As Obnoxious And As Arrogant As She Is, Perhaps It Is Because You Can Deny The Obvious For Only So Long, (Just Ask Clinton, Either One) And They Well Know That The Only Way Hillary Is Going To Get To The White House Is When Obama Invites Her For His Inauguration.

Posted by: Backstage | March 16, 2008 2:26 AM | Report abuse

chersplace

Yes and thank you.
Caring is what matters.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 16, 2008 2:25 AM | Report abuse

Obama is clean as a baby's bottom -- when it's diaper really, really, needs to be changed.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 2:25 AM | Report abuse

Obama only needs to win a few more delegates for John McCain to become be the next President.

Great Work, Washington Post!!!

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 2:23 AM | Report abuse

David2007,

If after 13 years in public service and a year long presidential campaign, those two things (Rezko and Wright) are all you've got on Obama, I'd see he's one of the cleanest politicians I know. He's not accused of wrongdoing in either instance.

Posted by: mpl2 | March 16, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

It seems to Lemmings would have jumped behind the "inevitable nominee".....

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 2:21 AM | Report abuse

more excellent, excellent news! THANK YOU IOWA!!! on to PA!


OBAMA '08!!!

Posted by: caligirl1 | March 16, 2008 2:20 AM | Report abuse

The rush to nominate Obama proves that human beings and lemmmings share a common ancestor -- reporters.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 2:19 AM | Report abuse

Nine of fourteen pledged delegates from Iowa go to Obama and the other five stay pledged to Edwards.

Here is one fact for thinker, svreader,TeddyRoosevelt ,adimitriades, BethesdaMD: Hillary gained NOT ONE PLEDGED DELEGATE FROM IOWA.

Even though you try to ignore facts, even you have to admit this can't be good news for Hillary.

Posted by: Anadromous2 | March 16, 2008 2:19 AM | Report abuse

To MissClarty

I do not understand your last post. I agree
totally with you that Hillary's non-release of her tax returns is outrageous, I only noted that that if YouTube (I do not look at such Websites !!) stated the date 1992, it is wrong, it should say 2000,
which does not change, as said, the fact that this is outrageous

Caminito

Posted by: caminito | March 16, 2008 2:16 AM | Report abuse

David2007

Can you make a list of the Clintons'
issues you have forgiven?

What a dope.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 16, 2008 2:16 AM | Report abuse

Billary's attitude is Rule or Ruin Dems/US
Reichfuhrer McCain visiting Europe to lobby
for an Iran War
Only reason to vote McCain is Supreme Court.
Barack's liberalism might shakeup nation
and revive a dying corpse.
Republicans are unfit to govern with their
present leaders.
Dems are against drilling so $4 gallon next.

Posted by: mascmen7 | March 16, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

Nine of fourteen pledged delegates from Iowa go to Obama and the other five stay pledged to Edwards.

Here is one fact for thinker, svreader,TeddyRoosevelt ,adimitriades, BethesdaMD: Hillary did not gain ONE PLEDGED DELEGATE FROM IOWA.

Even though you try to ignore facts, even you have to admit this can't be good news for Hillary.

Posted by: Anadromous2 | March 16, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

We could go down the list of other candidates (Clinton's judgement on Whitewater, Bills transgressions, etc; McCain's S&L involvement, helping to cover up his wife's drug addiction, making extremely inappropriate jokes about Chelsea Clinton, etc). At least Obama puts it all out on the line, places no limits on the questions, and steps up. That tells me far more about the man than his imperfections, we all know the man's not perfect (but then again, we are a bunch of cultists who believe him to be god..it's kinda like trying to reconcile his belonging for life to a racist church while being a Muslim plant..)

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

Shrink2

Thank You...

I appreciate that. I am sorry if I said anything that offended you. It is nice to actually be able exchange ideas with someone. I don't usually express personal information, but this is an issue that I do really feel passionate about.

I hope you have a good evening.

Posted by: chersplace | March 16, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

Nq...,

I am an American and a patriot and will be casting my vote for Obama, a man whom I've heard repeatedly extol the values of this country in a way that moves me greatly and who I believe can best serve our nation as President. You are free to disagree with my choice but you are not free to cast aspersions on the patriotism of those whose choices differ from yours.

Posted by: mpl2 | March 16, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

Gee, it's great how so many of Obama supporters are willing to forgive his trespasses.

Let's see.

Tony Rezko. Gee, I made a bone-headed mistake and saw nothing wrong with his wife buying the property next to mine and then selling me part to expand my yard. After all, he never asked me for anything and my instinct was to believe him when he said that there was nothing to what was going on in the media about him.

Pastor Wright. Gee, I've been going to his church for 20 years and never heard anything about the hateful speeches and sermons that he has been accused of. After all, he is my pastor and spiritual advisor and I did not think that it was right to abandon him.

Gee, and this is the guy that so many of you are willing to make President of the United States!!

Gee, Obama must have had his head in the sand not to have recognized these kinds of problems. Either that, or he has poor judgment.

Gee, and this is the guy that so many of you are willing to make President of the United States!!

Posted by: David2007 | March 16, 2008 2:06 AM | Report abuse

Were you in MND-N with 3-82 last summer by chance?

I'd disclose my own info, but for a variety of reasons I prefer relative anonymity.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 2:06 AM | Report abuse

Oh and it's not NqBxt5PQj66Yk8yw, rather it's
Sergeant Shannon VanWagner of the United States Army - 82nd Airborne Division.

Sorry but I can't seem to change my username for some reason.

I am an American just like you, I've done my research just as any person can. I'm not a racist and I'm not a bigot. I stand for pride in the American way of life. And I can only hope for you and me that we do not make the same mistake of "voting for change" that others have made during the past 8 years.

Vote American, be the Patriot you can be, stand for those who have given blood, life, and tears to make you what you are today.


"Do the right thing, even when you get no
credit for it. Do the right thing when no
one is watching or will ever know about it.
You will always know." -The Honorable Colonel Colin Powell, US Army

"Ask not what your Country can do for you, but what you can do for your Country." -John F. Kennedy

Posted by: shannon-veteran | March 16, 2008 2:01 AM | Report abuse

Caminto: Then why haven't the Clintons released their taxes period? Go to YouTube.com and do Clinton search click then click page 7 or 8 and get an earfull and eyefull. Remember there is no defense against the truth and no defense against a lie. Bravo for that.

Posted by: MissClarty | March 16, 2008 2:00 AM | Report abuse

Caminto: Then why haven't the Clintons released their taxes period? Go to YouTube.com and do Clinton search click then click page 7 or 8 and get an earfull and eyefull. Remember there is no defense against the truth and no defense against a lie. Bravo for that.

Posted by: MissClarty | March 16, 2008 2:00 AM | Report abuse

NqB....

"The Obama election office in Texas had not the American flag but the cuban flag with "Guevera" in their office. WTF?"

This was refuted long ago (it's not an official campaign office, has long since been "rejected and denounced" by the campaign, is this stuff really the best you got?):
http://mediamatters.org/items/200802130007

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

I went to 12 years of Catholic school and I have yet to hear anyone denounce the Catholic Church for its role in slavery, the Inquisition, its blessing of tanks in World War II or for its role in allowing priests to continue molesting children. How come the Catholic Church has not been investigated by some police organization as harboring child molesters?


It is so easy to attack black people in the United States and no matter how many times Obama refutes or denounces someone he is being held responsible for statements made by other people. He goes to church to worship God not its pastor. If the members of a church are held responsible for a pastors, or bishops or spiritual leaders comments or actions then how come the silence by almost ALL Christian congregations to slavery, hanging of black people, the KKK, discrimination in every facet of life and on and on and on......


It has nothing to do about Obama being responsible for Rev. Wright or anyone else. It is all about good old U.S. hatred of anyone black, using nonsensical and illogical arguments against Obama just to slime him and make people hate him. What makes this racist is that this is not and has never been done against someone white. But you can always start to make things right, lets shut down the Catholic Church for harboring child molester. Then I'll believe there isn't a double standard, but until then I'll know it is just satanism rearing its head against black people.

Posted by: keriheb | March 16, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

Not at all. Just so long as it is true that you have true friends,

people who really like you and
who are not white,

then you get to talk like this.

That was all I asked and yes, I am all that.

I have been stabbed by black kids, I have not been served, I am married to a blah, blah, mixed race.

Sorry to bug you. I just wanted to make sure. You know, there are a lot of Geraldine Ferarros. Some white Democrats think Barak Obama is easier to despise than others.

You and I would probably be friends.
Good night.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 16, 2008 1:58 AM | Report abuse

Not at all. Just so long as it is true that you have true friends,

people who really like you and
who are not white,

then you get to talk like this.

That was all I asked and yes, I am all that.

I have been stabbed by black kids, I have not been served, I am married to a blah, blah, mixed race.

Sorry to bug you. I just wanted to make sure. You know, there are a lot of Geraldine Ferarros. Some white Democrats think Barak Obama is easier to despise than others.

You and I would probably be friends.
Good night.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 16, 2008 1:56 AM | Report abuse

To Rosetee:

You must only take a pencil and count the
Hillary haters posts versus the Obama haters ones in this and precedent blogs, and you will see that you are wrong. Obama's haters win easily !!

To Miss Clarty:

The tax returns not released are from 200o to 2006, which is bad enough, as any negative issue logically would not appear during Bill's presidency but subsequently.

By the way: the President couple must release their return all the years he seats!!

caminito

Caminito

Posted by: caminito | March 16, 2008 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Shrink2

Who are you to say my experience is nothing.

This seems to be the attitude of most of Obama's supporters. No-one who doesn't support him has any right to have an opinion, or any right to ask a question about him. And if they support someone else then they also have no value.
I think it speaks volumes of the kind of Hope he inspires.
I hope you feel good when you insult someone who is just trying to communicate with you. Maybe you would like to call me some names.
I am very sorry that my beliefs make you feel that way.

Posted by: chersplace | March 16, 2008 1:52 AM | Report abuse

One example for you (I think "solely" is my favorite word here):

"What would be different about having a female president?

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON: Oh, I don't even think we can adequately imagine the difference it would make. It would be the shattering of the highest and hardest glass ceiling. And it would send such a message of hope and opportunity to every little girl, to every young woman.

That's probably the most common thing that people say to me out on the campaign trail. There's two things, actually. One is that, you know, people say, "Well, I'm here because of my daughter," or, you know, "My little girl just learned that we've never had a woman president and, you know, I want her to know she can do anything."

I mean, it would be a very deep change in how people see themselves and who is able to fulfill this position. And I think that it's, you know, I think that...

JUDY WOODRUFF: Do you want people to vote for you for that reason?

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON: No, I've said consistently through this campaign that, you know, I'm asking people not to vote for me solely because I'm a woman. But I am a woman.

And I think there's been, you know, an interesting development in the campaign where somehow, you know, we're expected not to talk about that whereas it is a big difference? I mean, we've never had a mother or a wife or a sister or a daughter in the Oval Office? I think it would be a very big change.

JUDY WOODRUFF: And more of a sea change than to have the first African-American president?

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON: Well, I was just speaking for myself. I think, from my perspective, more than half of our population is female. And so it would have a direct effect on more than half of our population."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/white_house/jan-june08/clinton_02-27.html

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Oh and another tid-bit of proof of Obama's Anti-American and Anti-Patriot approach to American politics. The Obama election office in Texas had not the American flag but the cuban flag with "Guevera" in their office. WTF?
http://lonestartimes.com/2008/02/11/obama-office-adores-psychotic-marxist-thug/

The guy in the poster at the Obama is one of the rebels for the people that tried to usher in Armageddon to John F. Kennedy in the 60's:
"Guevara played a key role in bringing to Cuba the Soviet nuclear-armed ballistic missiles that precipitated the Cuban Missile Crisis in October 1962. During an interview with the British newspaper Daily Worker some weeks later, he stated that, if the missiles had been under Cuban control, they would have fired them against major U.S. cities."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara

Posted by: shannon-veteran | March 16, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

NqBxt5PQj66Yk8yw | Patriotism is all good until it is tested against poverty.

Keep this rhetoric up while the economy goes to shreds. I guarantee you that a lot of patriots will be found wanting in a horrible economy

There are people who want to fix this nation because they love it and there are those who live in a bubble and call themselves patriots.

N.

Posted by: nth1nxa | March 16, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

As soon as it's posted on youtube, go watch Tracy Morgan's guest appearance tonight on SNL where he takes on Ferraro, the Pastor uproar, and ends with the best line of the campaign season. Morgan, single-handedly, puts Senator Obama back on top. Even Amy Poehlner claps at the end.

I was worried the Pastor videos would create hurtful and difficult-to-heal division. Morgan puts them in their place.

Thank you, Mr. Morgan. You did what a week of hand-wringing could not do. You brought in the daylight.

Posted by: willowbarcelona | March 16, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

I pledge allegiance to the Flag...God BLESS America!

Posted by: thinktank | March 16, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

I'm an Edwards supported and I hadn't made up my mind until now. Obama's days are numbered. He'll never survive in the general election now. It's time to vote for Clinton

Posted by: TALVES | March 16, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

chersplace: Again, racism bad, sexism good?

Obama has never once even implied you should vote for him because he is Black. Clinton has said hundreds of times you should vote for her because she is a woman if nothing else. Ignore what the surrogates and the guilt by association says, what are the candidates saying on these issues?

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

I'm an Edwards supported and I hadn't made up my mind until now. Obama's days are numbered. He'll never survive in the general election now. It's time to vote for Clinton

Posted by: TALVES | March 16, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

All those castigating Obama for "sitting there for 20 years" listening to offensive sermons are being unfair. How many of this man's sermons have you heard? If you're like me, you've seen only the 90 seconds or so, of maybe 3 or 4 sermons, that have been repeated endlessly on the news over the last few days. I find what was said in those clips abhorrent. But I also can understand that those may have been instances that were out of the norm. This pastor seems like a bit of a showman on camera and seems like he was trying to be deliberately provocative in those clips. It crossed the line. But I also know I haven't seen any of his other thousands of sermons over the past 30 years or so. Obama has said he was inspired by Wright's "Audacity to Hope" sermon, among others and that Wright led him to Christ. Maybe, just maybe, there's more there than those 90 seconds we've seen and maybe the press should explore that before people ask "what could he possibly have seen in this church??" Maybe there was something he saw in this church and in Wright and he decided, after 20 years and with this man close to retirement, that those few instances of crossing the line were not sufficient for him to toss both church and pastor on the proverbial garbage heap.

BTW, here's the text of Wright's "Audacity to Hope" sermon. I see no "hate" or "anti-Americanism" in it:
http://www.preachingtoday.com/sermons/sermons/audacityofhope.html

Posted by: mpl2 | March 16, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

I'm an Edwards supported and I hadn't made up my mind until now. Obama's days are numbered. He'll never survive in the general election now. It's time to vote for Clinton

Posted by: TALVES | March 16, 2008 1:47 AM | Report abuse

All those castigating Obama for "sitting there for 20 years" listening to offensive sermons are being unfair. How many of this man's sermons have you heard? If you're like me, you've seen only the 90 seconds or so, of maybe 3 or 4 sermons, that have been repeated endlessly on the news over the last few days. I find what was said in those clips abhorrent. But I also can understand that those may have been instances that were out of the norm. This pastor seems like a bit of a showman on camera and seems like he was trying to be deliberately provocative in those clips. It crossed the line. But I also know I haven't seen any of his other thousands of sermons over the past 30 years or so. Obama has said he was inspired by Wright's "Audacity to Hope" sermon, among others and that Wright led him to Christ. Maybe, just maybe, there's more there than those 90 seconds we've seen and maybe the press should explore that before people ask "what could he possibly have seen in this church??" Maybe there was something he saw in this church and in Wright and he decided, after 20 years and with this man close to retirement, that those few instances of crossing the line were not sufficient for him to toss it all away.

BTW, here's the text of Wright's "Audacity to Hope" sermon. I see no "hate" or "anti-Americanism" in it:
http://www.preachingtoday.com/sermons/sermons/audacityofhope.html

Posted by: mpl2 | March 16, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

Shrink2

Again, I think you are being sarcastic.

There was nothing to get over, I was taught that racism was not acceptable.
I have friends, and family of many races, backgrounds, social status, and spiritual background. I do not judge anyone by the color of their skin.
I realize that you are not sincerely interested in anything I have to say.

What is your experience? On what do you base your judgement? Why do you think your opinion is more valid than mine?

Posted by: chersplace | March 16, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Most of votes for Obama are from Clinton haters. If so many people, even in the dem party, hate her, may be there is a very good reason for it.

Posted by: rosetee | March 16, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

Observing comments on this site from here in Australia, is more disturbing than amusing. The comments from the Non-Obama corner seem to ooze with one thing- Hatred. Having never been to America, yet knowing its influence, I 'hope' if Obama does not win the day, then the manner in which he, and his supporters, have expressed themselves does.

Posted by: adrian26_au | March 16, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

to NqBxt5PQj66Yk8yw !!

I do not see in your post any reference to McCain and that he is not Geoge W. Bush) and this will be seen clearly in his future electoral campaign)

And have you considered that well formulated and serious posts like yours, which will not avoid the nomination of OBAMA, give the GOP all the munition they
need to ensure McCain access to the Presidency ??

Caminito

Posted by: caminito | March 16, 2008 1:41 AM | Report abuse

Is it true that the Clintons haven't released their tax returns since 1992? Go to YouTube.com search Clinton then go to bottom of page click page 7 or 8 and get an ear full.

Posted by: MissClarty | March 16, 2008 1:36 AM | Report abuse

"Hillary will tell it to you straight and knows what's broken and how to fix it."

I have a feeling that if I had a flat tire by the side of the road, Hillary might come by, claim I'd be better off with a woman driving the car, tell me about her experience having tea with William Clay Ford's wife, her position papers on mandating spare tires in vehicles and starting an argument involving everyone in the car (meanwhile Bill starts hitting on my wife) that completely distacts us from the problem at hand until we miss our appointment we were driving to.

I realize this was a meaningless rhetorical detail, but so are most of svreader's posts, so I figured what the hey.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 1:33 AM | Report abuse

Wow.

Ok. Did you get what I said?

Your tragic experience in reverse racism is nothing. Did you get over it? Do you you have fun, easy relationships with any colored people?

Posted by: shrink2 | March 16, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse


To make the comparison of Bush and Patriotism is a Fallacy, but I'm not surprised. However, to say that the American flag, and the Patriots that die to uphold the premise of it just because of Goerge W. Bush is just plain wrong.

Bush has used patriotism to try and cover up his misjudgment and complete jackass-edness of the Iraq War, this is something that is completely obvious to America today.

Just because bush has failed, does not mean that we should destroy what 200+ years of Patriotism has done for us as an American nation.

Everyone is hurting from Bush's mistakes, no doubt, and that is completely, completely, understandable.

The fact of the matter is, no presidential candidate will be able to continue on the guise of keeping up with the Iraq war. Let me put it this way, No Presidential Candidate for 2009 will be able to continue with the nonsensical Iraq War Operation. The Iraq War CANNOT continue, period. Americans have made it clear.

However, the American President being the NUMBER ONE patriot is still PARAMOUNT!

People talk a lot of bad stuff about Bill Clinton, and I don't understand it. Yeah, he jackassed the thing with Lewinski and his Whitewater stuff, but bheckout the video below to see how President Clinton tried to protect America from Terrorists, and yet his hands were tied by the Republicans:
http://tinyurl.com/39sq76

Now people are talking a lot of bad stuff about Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton is committed to Universal Healthcare, This is an American and Democratic right! There are so many other prominent countries out there that are kicking our butts in terms of providing Healthcare for their citizens.

Obama stands for change alright, but that same charged message is what elected George W. Bush. And Obama stands for destroying all that we have worked for as a nation.

So yes, we need change, and because of our way of life, we will change, but Obama is an admitted Anti-American and Anti-patriot, Obama stands Against what we are as Americans, and Obama PUBLICLY and RELIGIOUSLY displays it.

What are the children to think if their Obama President says their country isn't worth being honored, isn't worth being a patriot for, isn't worth taking a stand for. What about the kids that will come to school to say "G*d D*mn! America" just because they heard it in church on Sunday from pastor Wright.

Elect Obama and you will have destroyed America, and you will experience the horror of the Apocalypse. As Americans we ride upon the shoulders of giants, and yes we can move into the future and make things even better for America.

Posted by: shannon-veteran | March 16, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

I was already convinced that Hillary, especially if nominated by a plot scenified
by "old Washington" politician at the DNC and between the superdelegates, had no chance against McCain, in spite of all the
hate mongering against Bush

But now I can see that the Hillary sponsered accusations against Obama, justified or not, are clearly creating certain doubts, which certainly will not avoid that he will win handily the pledged delegate race, which the superdelegates will not dare to revert, but have created a highway for similar and probably much better formulated attacks by the GOP(because of the poor quality of Hillary's advisers, between other!)

The result: most probably, if Obama will be
nominated, he also will loose the presidency to McCain, but the Democrats will win the Senate and the House (should Hillary is nominated, the backlash would be so great that even the DEM Congress elections will be damaged)

Which has a positive side: Obamas leftist politics will loose many friends between DEM-congress memebers, Hillary even more so, and more savvy and knowledgeable members could gain the overhand. This would allow McCain, who certainly is not in love with the GOP conservatives, reach over the aisle and IMPLEMENT A WORKING COALITION BETWEEN MODERATE GOP AND "McCAIN DEMOCRATS",allowing in turn to addres the countriy's grave problems

Any comments ??

Caminito

Posted by: caminito | March 16, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: andyli861004 | March 16, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes people just have to learn the hard way.

Obama is the Democrats George Bush.

He's a master salesman without a bit of real humanity that is happiest when he "getting over" on people.

Hillary will tell it to you straight and knows what's broken and how to fix it.

Obama will tell you what you want to hear and what's actually wrong will wind up killing you.

Obama and his supporters are the best argument for the classical principles of the Republican party.

Voters make arbitrary decisions that are mostly random and therefore mostly wrong, therefore, keep government small because its just going to screw things up.

Republicans have hard hearts. Democrats have soft heads.

Its too bad, but that's the way people are.

Posted by: svreader | March 16, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

So much for good judgement! Internet is a good place to share information and meet friends. I recently found a nice web site called pubspa.com where you can meet friends who have same interest in beauty care, massage, wellness and spa treatment. You can also share blog, video, game, photos, etc with people from all over the world. Unlike other online dating sites where you have to pay membership fee, this site is totally free. I already made several interesting friends there.

Posted by: andyli861004 | March 16, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

So much for good judgement! Internet is a good place to share information and meet friends. I recently found a nice web site called pubspa.com where you can meet friends who have same interest in beauty care, massage, wellness and spa treatment. You can also share blog, video, game, photos, etc with people from all over the world. Unlike other online dating sites where you have to pay membership fee, this site is totally free. I already made several interesting friends there.

Posted by: andyli861004 | March 16, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

chersplace,

Yet you stand behind a candidate who advocates a vote based on sexism?

Racism and sexism are bad things, let's look at the actual candidates stand on those issues, not their supporters.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

Things keep breaking Obama's way even when he's having really tough weeks. He's put together a highly focused and organized campaign, which suggests his administration will also be highly competent. A competent President ... won't that be a nice change of pace?

For all you right-wingers who think you're going to get a lot of mileage out of that Wright diatribe in the fall, you're going to find that most Americans are interested in pocketbook issues in the midst of a recession and have grown weary of guilt through association smear campaigns.

Posted by: skrut003 | March 16, 2008 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Informed voters choose Obama, over Hillary. Hillary's base is those with less access to unfiltered information. It makes sense that Obama could make gains of uncommitted delegates in these conventions of informed, engaged and committed Democrats. Obama has stronger support from groups who have the most information about him. College educated folks who tend to get more news from various sources and the black community which at first supported Clinton over Obama but later took a second look over the objections of the establishment and decided that he represented them better than Clinton. Folks who have less access to information like Latinos and Asians especially older ones for whom it is more likely English is a second language are not as likely to support Obama because they don't know his policies and character, by default they go with the Clinton brand. This also applies to the working poor who again have more limited access to the Internet and other news sources that provide detailed an unfiltered access to information. So these convention goers by virtue of the engagement will likely support Obama what ever their demographic.

Posted by: grahampoor | March 16, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

Small gains add up, and pretty soon they pile up, as it has happened in Obama's case. Hillary has been sniffing at these things for long, emphasizing her wins in big states. But the number of delegates she won in those States is slightly higher than Obama's -- that's why Obama keeps his lead, increasing it bit by bit.

I doubt if Hillary can win the nomination fairly. Her major hurdle: delegate math !

Posted by: cantabb | March 16, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Hillary can't win. It's over. On to the general election where McCain can't win. Internet is a good place to share information and meet friends. I recently found a nice web site called pubspa.com where you can meet friends who have same interest in beauty care, massage, wellness and spa treatment. You can also share blog, video, game, photos, etc with people from all over the world. Unlike other online dating sites where you have to pay membership fee, this site is totally free. I already made several interesting friends there.

Posted by: andyli861004 | March 16, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Shrink2

In that case I will respond.
I never needed to get over it. I was never raised to judge anyone by the color of their skin. When I went to an all Black Grade School in Philadelphia, I was afraid, because the Black students were hateful to me. I never really understood why they felt that way because I didn't.

As I got older, I began to understand racism, but it was introduced to me by the blacks at my school not at my home. Then of course I began to see it in my neighborhood, which was about 6 blocks from the school I attended (In Philly there were a few blocks that were all black, then a few that were all white, and it was divided that way) which was predominantly Irish and Italian. My neighbors hated the blacks, The blacks at my school hated the whites. It was the 60's and then the racial riots began.
I saw police brutality towards both whites and blacks. When I went to High School, Buses full of Police in Riot gear would line up outside of the school sometimes.
I remember when my sister married a Black man and was gave birth to my nephew, my Father saying my sister and her husband knew what they were going to have to deal with but he was concerned about what my nephew would have to deal with.
When my nephew was a teenager he went to live with his father and when he came to visit he had adapted some of the anger of his father. We were in a food line at a cafeteria and I had paid for our food and noticed he was still standing in line glaring at the girl at the register, when I asked him why, he said, "Do you see that, she waited on you and is ignoring me because I'm black. He didn't realize I had already paid for his food. I have seen racism from both sides and no matter how you look at it Preaching hate and reminding our children over and over is not the way we will eradicate it. I hope this answers your question to some degree.

Posted by: chersplace | March 16, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

please tell the last person leaving the clinton headquarters to make al gore happy and turn off the lights.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 16, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

mnjam

Sadly,

the wapo does not have sockpuppet software.

Every day there are the relentless series of posts that are all the same "Clinton messages of the day" from the same few trolls...we just ignore them.

Except it was so funny when svreader skreeched about the fortune spamming us was costing him, or her.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 16, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

"This guy is promising change and has no agenda to do it- his proposals are generally to the right of hers- sounds nice, but doesn't mean much."

He has no agenda, but it is to the right of hers? Ok.

The reason specifics have been lacking in the debate is because policywise, they only disagree on about three or four points, healthcare really being the only one that rises above the point of semantics and I think that's been talked to death. That's why this has become all about the personalities for the primaries- that and their philosophies about how to enact change are the only real differences. Clinton wants to declare mortal combat and somehow believes with a 45% disapproval rating she will prevail, while Obama wants to build a new coalition and bring more voters into the process to give his agenda a mandate. Which philosophy do you prefer?

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

mnjam

Sadly,

the wapo does not have sockpuppet software.

Every day there are the relentless series of posts that are all the same "Clinton messages of the day" from the same few trolls...we just ignore them.

Except it was so funny when svreader skreeched about the fortune spamming us was costing him, or her.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 16, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Obama 14 new delegates from Iowa/California. Hillary 2 new delegates from California. A net gain of 12 for Obama, more than she got in Ohio. According to the NY Times, supers will lean to the "will of the people." And the will of the people is noted in the pledged delegate count. Hillary can't win. It's over. On to the general election where McCain can't win.

Candidates don't win if their party was in power (POTUS) during a recession. And this one will be a big one. Americans will go to the polls after seeing $4/gallon gasoline, $4 for a loaf of bread and $6 for a gallon of milk. Jobs are lost during recessions and this one will be no different. John McCain will have to win carrying the Bush recession on his back, and there's not a chance in he!! he will come close to winning.

Posted by: infuse | March 16, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Obama 14 new delegates from Iowa/California. Hillary 2 new delegates from California. A net gain of 12 for Obama, more than she got in Ohio. According to the NY Times, supers will lean to the "will of the people." And the will of the people is noted in the pledged delegate count. Hillary can't win. It's over. On to the general election where McCain can't win.

Candidates don't win if their party was in power (POTUS) during a recession. And this one will be a big one. Americans will go to the polls after seeing $4/gallon gasoline, $4 for a loaf of bread and $6 for a gallon of milk. Jobs are lost during recessions and this one will be no different. John McCain will have to win carrying the Bush recession on his back, and there's not a chance in he!! he will come close to winning.

Posted by: infuse | March 16, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

"SO there is nothing inconsistent in there"

She agreed to the rules not to participate and that the elections would not count, now she says she wants both seated as is (on principle, of course), but if not then she'd settle for a new primary in Michigan, but not Florida. Yup, noting inconsistent there.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Reading Obamapath posts is like listening to the cheerleading squad talk about the game in highschool- it's all about how cool their guy is- how he has the momentum, poking fun at her. Get over it- really, the world comes down to more than juvenille popularity contests- learn a little about her and learn a lot more about him. There is no there there. This guy is promising change and has no agenda to do it- his proposals are generally to the right of hers- sounds nice, but doesn't mean much. IF YOU OBAMOPATHS DISAGREE THAN TALK TO ME ABOUT SPECIFIC POLICIES RATHER THAN VAGUE GENERALITIES AND ATTACKS ON HER.

Leon

Posted by: nycLeon | March 16, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

"The simple fact is if Republicans are going to base their campaign on attacking his patriotism, they'll lose, not only because it's ridiculus and too much guilt by association, it's not the argument people are going to want now. The economy is in the toilet, and aftersix years of Republicans waiving the bloody shirt they're not gonna buy it again. They'll hit him with a photo and a smear of his wife and pastor, he'll hit them withthe true definition of patriotism and then expand it to his whole philosophy on governance and hope, and he'll win."

I think despite all the bad things that should go against the Rethugs, Obama could still lose, because a whole bunch of Hillary supporters would stay home or write Paul's name rather than stay in the same tent with the murderous Ombama cult zombies. At least I hope so. Even a reprehensible Rethug win is more palatable than have the Riches, RObinsons, and Gersons gloat about a Obama win.

Posted by: intcamd1 | March 16, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

The only way Hillary can save what's left of her class and dignity is to leave this race and finally admit to the American people about her Iraq mistake and falsifying her resume. It's insulting to call her the top female politican.N ancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer earned their top jobs without riding their husband's coattails. Who cares if Obama has lifelong barber, pastor, mailman, and drinking buddy that are homosexual, arab, muslim? What if he does?

Posted by: bdn70 | March 16, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

"Flag ceremonies are an integral part of being the President."

Evidence here:

http://www.tensionnot.com/images/images/slideshow/Weird_Pics419.jpg

http://www.impeachslickanddick.us/BushIdiotSalutingFlag.jpg

He was wrong about a ceremony once, but there are thousands of pictures showing different occasions:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2007/11/01/PH2007110101367.jpg

The simple fact is if Republicans are going to base their campaign on attacking his patriotism, they'll lose, not only because it's ridiculus and too much guilt by association, it's not the argument people are going to want now. The economy is in the toilet, and aftersix years of Republicans waiving the bloody shirt they're not gonna buy it again. They'll hit him with a photo and a smear of his wife and pastor, he'll hit them withthe true definition of patriotism and then expand it to his whole philosophy on governance and hope, and he'll win.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Mr. McCain is a moderate, maverick Republican who would be controlled well by a Democratic House and Senate. Posted by: Thinker | March 16, 2008 12:03 AM

Thinker:

You need a reality check:

McCain is for "staying the course in Iraq."

McCain is for extending the Bush tax cuts and the consequent, ruinous $4 billion plus deficits.

McCain is against any kind of health care reform.

McCain is for more Alitos and Scalias on the Supreme Court.

He is no moderate and he is no maverick.

And there's little or nothing the Congress will be able to do to prevent a President McCain from having his way on these issues.

Posted by: mnjam | March 16, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Jesse Jackson was Bill Clinton's spiritual adviser. Does that mean that Clinton accepted everything Jesse said and did or vice versa? No. Get real people.

Posted by: mcgish | March 16, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

not sarcastic at all

just wanted to know whether you got over it

Did you know that black people have to get over it? Every single day.

They get treated terribly and still like white people!

So. Do you have black people you like and who like you? If you do, then that is what I was asking, if you don't then, well...

Posted by: shrink2 | March 16, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

The poster called
" chersplace "
decided to cut-and-paste a large portion of my post with a few changes. I am glad to see that the first sentence ends exactly as I wrote it, without the intended change in place:

"I am a Clinton supporter So I have written to John Edwards, Bill Richardson, and Nancy Pelosi urging each of them to endorse Obama."

Glad to know that even as a Clinton supporter, you have asked three leading Democrats to endorse Obama. Please keep up the good work.
Alan

Posted by: alancharbonneau | March 16, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Re: Unity and Division

From "Head of State"
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/03/kosi-fan-tutte.html

Saturday, March 15, 2008
Kosi Fan Tutte: Unity and Division

Thus do they all.

A few thoughts:

There is a time in the life of a new movement when limbic outrage combines with the glimpsed promise of a new and expanded platform. The initial rush from nonentity to prominence has carried them forward together, but standing on that platform, however low or small, the view creates a burgeoning space in the self--a place of surprised importance--first that their voice is heard, then a question of deserving such a place, which becomes affirmed with each passing day that they hold their new small staff--a place where the narcissism of small differences can take over. "Can I?" The internal voice asks. So close to the emotions of the initial rush of emotions, which were felt together, this new rush of emotion must be right. If they can...if they did...if we did...so can I!

Thus do half-formed, ill-considered second revolutions often take place. The first wave was too heady to consider the splinters of emotion, ambition, pride, and how these might combine with actual ideological difference. The move forward was collective, as was the new degree of influence--but the experience of power, however slight, was individual, and could be triggered into the disparate directions seen all too often in the impulsive spatters across time that we, if noticed, call history.

The impulse--anger, wounded narcissism--comes first, quickly followed by a now slightly practiced, or at least slightly observed, ambitious idea. It is then that words and concepts are appropriated, to provide apparent substance and heft to the initial reaction--"strike" or "abuse"; "freedom" or "censorship"; or, in other similar cases, "patriotism" and "nationalism".
Thresholds are set and described after the reaction--a post hoc "it was too much" "we have had enough." Such justifications provide a new form of heady reaction--perhaps the impulse, raw and initially unmitigated, now propped up by the buttresses that follow, not only feels good...but is right!

In such ways does unity often fall apart. The smaller purposes--which we must, we must put forward upon principle, rarely consider the larger principles to which they, often moments before, were firmly committed. It creates the seemingly paradoxical but historically common situation in which a small excitement is able to fully cover a larger objective to create a blind spot, a canyon into which the blinded march with excitement, until the excitement passes, and they survey the terrain around them. We have seen this in 1917, in 1946, in 2002--three examples among countless manifestations across time. Such splinterings typically lead the electorate to search for solid ground in the midst of seeming chaos under "strong", "solid", "traditional" leadership.

Many of those who would today march into the canyon are those who decried Ralph Nader's 2000 stand--who saw the narcissism within the "principled stand", and the larger consequences that such blindness could create.

We have lived under 7 years of an Administration that can be plausibly credited to the excited, impulsive acts, narrowly bounded by limited justifications beyond which was a willed sea of darkness, of that time.

Now, in the acts of a group still fresh with the sense of a new and unexpected influence, we see this phenomenon again: moving impulsively into action, without providing even a full consideration of what it is that they call their act (a "strike" like those taken by workers who give up their jobs and pay?); without providing the evidence upon which they base their claim (to demonstrate the "abuse" would only be to repeat it--or to demonstrate their similar use of language against those that they found unsuitable or unworthy); and without--or perhaps, excitedly, with--a consideration of the consequences.

With self-importance comes actual importance. With excited, elevated action comes consideration of and responsibility for the actions.

We should all be proud of the force that we, collectively, have brought to bear on an electorate that, only a decade before, was far less informed on issues of political and personal consequence. The ease with which our voices can reach into the world can create a more powerful unity of purpose towards overarching goals that we share--or a greater and more rapid ability to splinter amongst our smaller differences.

Take a deep breath. Recognize and appreciate the importance and impact of your role--with the human responsibility that your impact now has, and without the tendency towards defense and excitement that exists in all of us. Consider your stand. Ask what you really want for yourselves and for others in the next four or eight years.

A quickly and tenuously built stand can provide a temporary, if illusory, exhilaration. However, a considered and firmly built platform provides a view that lasts for years, can see over and past the canyons--and beyond for many miles.

Cite:
Head of State
http://headofstate.blogspot.com/2008/03/kosi-fan-tutte.html

Posted by: robthewsoncamb | March 16, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

For all you die-hard Republicans that are clinging to your delusional idea that Americans will elect another Republican President in November after 8 years of W, I can tell why it won't be happening. 5 to 1. That is the ratio of Democratic voters to Republican voters that turned out to vote in my state where registered Republicans form the solid majority.

And in regards to the comments regarding our flag, which by the way is just a symbol of our country, I find it interesting that it is quite alright for the members our current administration to wear little flags on their lapels to show their patriotism all while they are busy trashing the Constitution.

Oh, I'm sorry. I stand corrected. As W tells us, the Constitution is "just an old piece of paper."

Posted by: medicusterrae | March 16, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

kreuz_missile,

Thanks for the info.
The same, old Hillary. What a hypocrite!!

Posted by: Conrad1 | March 16, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Svreader, who clearly doesn't read, and WRITER, who can't write. Please continue to rant on-- the more often you're wrong and clearly demented, the more joy you bring to your many, many fans. And the more delegates Obama accumulates.

Posted by: mhitchons | March 16, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

SO there is nothing inconsistent in there; HRC is simply taking a posture to force a MI and FL revote, which the Obama fascists want to block, simply because a revote could narrow the delegate gap and tilt the poppular vote to HRC. HRC and her supporters know that MI delegates would never be allocated on the basis of that January vote; so HRC's proclamations are simply a ploy to at least get a revote. On the other hand, the Obama stance to not even have a representation of FL and MI at the nomination is real. Democracy and representation to all people means nothing to him, nor his zombie fans.

Posted by: intcamd1 | March 16, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

And, BTW, here's her stand on Florida:

"I would not accept a caucus. I think that would be a great disservice to the 2 million people who turned out and voted. I think that they want their votes counted. And you know a lot of people would be disenfranchised because of the timing and whatever the particular rules were. This is really going to be a serious challenge for the Democratic Party because the voters in Michigan and Florida are the ones being hurt, and certainly with respect to Florida the Democrats were dragged into doing what they did by a Republican governor and a Republican Legislature. They didn't have any choice whatsoever. And I don't think that there should be any do-over or any kind of a second run in Florida. I think Florida should be seated."

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/03/06/exclusive-interview-clinton-looks-ahead-to-mississippi.html

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

kreuz_missile ,

Actually, HRC and her supporters want the FL and MI votes to count, by revote or any other way."

Really??

"Hillary Clinton says the results of Michigan's Democratic presidential primary should count, even if Barack Obama's name did not appear on the ballot.

"That was his choice," she says in an interview with Steve Inskeep. "There was no rule or requirement that he take his name off the ballot. His supporters ran a very aggressive campaign to try to get people to vote uncommitted.""

Hmm, this must be really old, oh wait..

Mar 13, 2008!
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=88165077

Nevermind that not only did they pledge not to campaign, they pledged not to PARTICIPATE. Clinton's own words here come back to haunt her....

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

shrink2

I already posted an example. You are being sarcastic, not actually asking me a question. Why do you feel a need to be sarcastic to me?

Posted by: chersplace | March 16, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

I was going to vote for her if she got the party nod, but not now. Internet is a good place to share information and meet friends. I recently found a nice web site called pubspa.com where you can meet friends who have same interest in beauty care, massage, wellness and spa treatment. You can also share blog, video, game, photos, etc with people from all over the world. Unlike other online dating sites where you have to pay membership fee, this site is totally free. I already made several interesting friends there.

Posted by: andyli861004 | March 16, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

I am a Clinton supporter So I have written to John Edwards, Bill Richardson, and Nancy Pelosi urging each of them to endorse Obama.

Al Gore does not have a published email address or I would have written him as well.

Please, I ask my fellow Clinton supporters to write each of these individuals, imploring each of them to endorse Sen. Clinton in a very public manner. The weight of even one of them might end this insanity.

For the Obama lovers here, I am very sorry that I cannot accept that Obama is any of the things you believe him to be.


Posted by: chersplace | March 16, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone ever noticed the similarity of Ms Clinton's brown "pant-suits" to the outfit that Chairman Mao sported?

I don't know if I can bear to watch her- let alone listen to her for eight long years. She might have the "solutions," but she doesn't have a clue of how to bring people together to get them done.

She had her chance to get us health care in 1993- and failed miserably- because she will not listen to any other's views that differ from her predetermined ones.

Please: No more Clintons in the White House. Bill is going to get bored and do something very stupid- and that is going to make her angry-- and then.......

Posted by: Luke2 | March 16, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

BethesdaMD,

You typify the unthinking, irrational Hillary supporters.

Hillary has so many scandals and fraud baggage attached to her that no way she can win in the general election. As once she and Bill go back to the White House, America will continue to be burdened with policies that suit special interests and Clintons' fund contributors, not the ordinary folks.

To illustrate:

Hillary refuses to show the American people:
Tax returns, not just last year's one, but from 2000-2007.
Earmarks.
Donations to Clinton Library
Dontations to Clinton Foundation
White House records

Abramoff GOP Lobbying Firm Indicted, Major HRC Donor

Magazine: Miami new Times
Subject: Hillary Clinton's Florida Donors shady past

The Clintons' close ties with Chinese:
Hillary Clinton developed a donor relationship with the Tan Family, a wealthy Chinese ethnic clan that owns many of the businesses implicated in the Marianas bribery, prostitution, and human trafficking scandal.
Clinton's Chinese ties, especially those either convicted or who pleaded guilty to Clinton campaign fraud...like John Huang and Ya Lin Trie, in addition to Hillary's 15-year association with Hsu.

Posted by: Conrad1 | March 16, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Obamba is a racists.... I have given of enough of my rights as a white middle aged middle class man... No more voting for a black guy whose preacher is against the very fiber of my moral being... Enough of giving up my identity for government entitlements enough of my whiteness being "other".. I will count and vote again Mr. Obamba because he stood up for a man that said God Damn America. Enough...

Mr. Obamba is the worst that can happen for this country.

Posted by: robinhood2 | March 16, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse


Something to realize is that it's perfectly OK for the American citizen to not wear/promote/display the American Flag in any way.
However, This type of behavior from a President(The person ELECTED to be the #1 Patriot for the United States of America as Commander in Chief) of these United States is abhorrent and completely, absolutely unfathomable.
It's a very basic (to the point of being almost silly) premise, one that citizens of America take for granted everyday, but for the People that are elected to serve and uphold the Constitution of the United States of America, they MUST be Patriots for the USA! The fact that Obama ADMITTEDLY chooses NOT to display his allegiance to our American Flag is the same as Admitting that he does NOT believe in what America stands for.

Flag ceremonies are an integral part of being the President. Obama's scoffing of the American flag is not only childish, but it also displays the true intentions of his character:
"Flag with 34 stars; Kansas (January 29, 1861)
Note: Even after the South seceded from the Union, President Lincoln would not allow any stars to be removed from the flag."
Reference: http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagfact.html

I myself, have contracted before to pay the "ultimate price" (my life) in order to support the Constitution of The United States, My President, and the United States Army and I understood what it meant to make that pledge. I could not imagine, now, or at the time that my President would not fully, 100%, stand for what I was willing to give my life for - The Constitution of The United States, America, and our way of life. Now I am here today to rant on about how important Patriotism is, and I am glad for that(I'm happy to be alive). But consider for a moment the people who have PAID THE ULTIMATE PRICE for our freedom. You may think you're not connected to them, but you are, it's fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, brothers, grandparents, uncles, aunts, friends, and AMERICANS from all races and all walks of life and American history that have made this American moment possible for us. Think of them, and have some respect for what's right for Americans.

Posted by: shannon-veteran | March 16, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

chersplace

Tell us about your experience of racism. Tell us. What do you know. Who do you know?

Posted by: shrink2 | March 16, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Sometimes it is shocking for us to be reminded that everyone in this country does not share our views of its great strengths and its several serious weaknesses. Some of us would rather forget the inequities and injustices that persist in the greatest nation on earth.

Despite that naivete, we are well on our way toward electing an American who will lead us toward the high ground of honesty and a post-racial society.

It is unfortunate that Barack Obama's pastor and friend, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, still has within him the anger and intolerance born in the years of civil rights struggles and injustice. We pray that he will see someday that his is a generational bias that must give way to a new America.

That he still sees injustice in America should not shock us. Rev. Wright knows that under aparthied in 1993, South Africa imprisoned 851 black males per 100,000 citizens - while in this country in 2006 the ratio is 4,789 black males imprisoned per 100,000 Americans.

Facts like these prison population numbers tend to outrage some deeply committed African-American preachers - even one like Rev. Wright who himself defended his country for 6 years as a U.S. Marine and U.S. Navy enlisted man.

But they do not show the way to a better place. And, they do not reflect the views of his entire 6,000 member congregation in Chicago. Obama says quite humbly that his friend, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright was the person who brought Jesus strongly into his life. He did not bring hate to Obama.

I take him at his word. There is no reason not to. Many of us have sat for many years in church and have not followed the specific teachings or fiery sermons that we've heard -- there are other forces in our lives that teach us other ways.

Sometimes the wisdom of the older generation - isn't wisdom at all. It does not fit the changing times - Obama's never embraced Wright's angry message - his whole public career is testimony to a different path. He may love the old man - but he has clearly rejected his message.

Obama has moved onto a different road. I'm with him.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | March 16, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

McCain must be laughing all the way to the White House. They are going to throw a roof at Obama's campaign with all these news coming out from his camp. But Americans just love these viral marketing and fall in love with rhetorics.

Posted by: kcbear881 | March 16, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse

kreuz_missile ,

Actually, HRC and her supporters want the FL and MI votes to count, by revote or any other way. It is the Obama cult members who want to disenfranchaise those 2 large states because that would interfere with the sainted one's coronation.

Posted by: intcamd1 | March 16, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse

I'm an ex-Republican who voted for Obama in the Texas primary and I intend to vote for him in the general election. I've heard lifelong Republicans on Texas talk radio saying they were going to vote for Obama for the same reason that I did - the Iraq war.

I am concerned that Hillary's tactics will damage Obama so much that he will not defeat McCain. So I have written to John Edwards, Bill Richardson, and Nancy Pelosi urging each of them to endorse Obama.

Al Gore does not have a published email address or I would have written him as well.

Please, I ask my fellow Obama supporters to write each of these individuals, imploring each of them to endorse Sen. Obama in a very public manner. The weight of even one of them might end this insanity before Hillary's psychotic attacks do terminal damage.

For the Hillary lovers here, yes, I said psychotic attacks; what else would you call someone who claims that McCain would be a better Commander-in-Chief than Obama?

Posted by: alancharbonneau | March 16, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

"COnsistency of rules would mean nothing for these zombies."

Which is why Hillary supporters want Michigan and Florida seated as is...

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

svreader and NqBxt5PQj66Yk8yw (a name about as articulate as your posts)-
It is people like you that are ruining the Clinton campaign, and putting out the perception that she is some sort of rabid animal. Furthermore, it is because of people like you that whomever comes away with this the democratic nomination is becoming less and less likely to stand a chance against McCain. Your ignorant rhetoric, and personal attacks, do nothing for either candidate. You simply divide the Democratic Party as a whole and spread hatred and discourse amongst its ranks. Unless you are in actuality a member of McCain's campaign, you should be absolutely ashamed of yourselves. Though I suspect that you are indeed members of the GOP, as the levels of unwarranted ignorance you two display are just two over the top to be legitimate. Well Done.

Posted by: apesca | March 16, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

ViejitaDelOeste

I said "if". My point is, the same Obama supporters who are now pumping for Obama and citing his lead in pledged D's and also poppular vote, would move to trash the popular vote as a reflection of people's will, the minute Obama falls behind on that measure, simply because these people are cult idiots, who have only onedesire left, which is to see their cult god in power. COnsistency of rules would mean nothing for these zombies.

Posted by: intcamd1 | March 16, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Clintons: have your smokus group data shown this works? I mean, how is the delegate count going? Are you winning yet?

Maybe screader should say Barak is a jerk 5 million more times and then...Bill will be President again. Hey, if its working, keep it up.

I wish the WaPo had sockpuppet software.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 16, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

www.barackobama.com

I know his history, I have read his book.
I have spent the last month trying to learn everything I could about him and the more I learned the less I believed him to be the things he claims.

I cannot believe anyong would sit and listen to the sermons of this man and not be a racist. I realize he does not himself express these opinions to the public and I wouldn't expect him to but I do believe these are the views he holds.

I have ended friendships with people when I realized they held racist or hateful views. You don't always know what someone feels in their heart and sometimes you know someone for years and then a circumstance presents itself and you learn something about them you never expected, such as that they are a racist.
But Barrack Obama has known this man for 20 years and he has been friends with him and listened to his hate filled sermons. No-one can convince me that he would do that for 20 years and not share the views expressed by this church.

Posted by: chersplace | March 16, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Obama has listened to Antiamerican rhetoric for 20 YEARS and now he wants Americans vote to run America? He should drop out! Hehas no chance in November. And I am a Democrat!

Posted by: Texan2007 | March 16, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

I can't be the only one who, after the last several weeks, thinks of Hillary as Dick Cheney in drag.

Posted by: kopavi | March 16, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

"(actually more, because 1/4 of all Obama votes are coming from Rethugs out to create mischief in the D primaries and caucuses)"

So why, after the Limbaugh endorsement, did Hillary get 75% of the Republican vote in the Mississippi primary?

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

"THE 3AM AD IS A REALITY CHECK BY AN ADULT NAMED HILLARY CLINTON"

It's strange that an adult woman would be married to such an immature man.

Please no more Clinton scandals in our White House at 3 AM or at any other time. They are responsible for us having to endure eight years of our tap dancing, fun loving, "romantic" war mongering President. Strange that he ran on a platform of "morality." Guess who made that possible?

Posted by: Luke2 | March 16, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Obamas delegate edge is inescapable... those superdelegates waiting to see the end delegate count must be getting ready to shift to obama right about now...

Posted by: maq1 | March 16, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

intcamd1,
Obama has more votes than Clinton at this point and I do not think she will make up the deficit with just Pennsylvania. This is true even if you count Florida, where they were both on the ballot but didn't campaign.

Posted by: ViejitaDelOeste | March 16, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

And les_ca, I assume you were perfectly happy that Gore won the popular vote and yet Bush won the presidency in 2000? That was in the rules too.

ANd btw, Pelosi acts like she is neutral, but she is not. The entire democratic establishment, and the media pimps, are blatantly rooting for Obama. That includes Pesoli, Dean, Kennedy, Kerry, downwards to Lewis, Sharpton, and Jesse, and Dowd, Rich, Mathews, Russert, down to Colby, Robinson, and Gerson. None of these people have much credibility left with the CLinton supporters, who are still 1/2 of the democratic party members (actually more, because 1/4 of all Obama votes are coming from Rethugs out to create mischief in the D primaries and caucuses)

Posted by: intcamd1 | March 16, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

I think the America haters are the Republicans. Since Bush, 9 trillion debt, and an endless war. To my Republican friends I ask, if this war was worth fighting why was it not worth paying for? Had I been asked to do somehting more than "go buy something" I certainly would have. Why didn't George have the courage to pay for the war rather than leaving the bill to my children and theirs?

Posted by: paulmiller | March 16, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

"Places of continuous display (Flag of the United States):
Astronaut Alan Shepard raises the United States Flag on the surface of the moon during the Apollo 14 mission.
Astronaut Alan Shepard raises the United States Flag on the surface of the moon during the Apollo 14 mission.

By presidential proclamation, acts of Congress, and custom, American flags are displayed continuously at certain locations.

* Replicas of the Star Spangled Banner Flag (15 stars, 15 stripes) are flown at two sites in Baltimore, Maryland: Fort McHenry National Monument and Historic Shrine (Presidential Proclamation No. 2795, July 2, 1948) and Flag House Square (Public Law 83-319, approved March 26, 1954).
* United States Marine Corps War Memorial (Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima), Arlington, Virginia (Presidential Proclamation No. 3418, June 12, 1961).
* Lexington, Massachusetts Town Green (Public Law 89-335, approved November 8, 1965).
* The White House, Washington, DC (Presidential Proclamation No. 4000, September 4, 1970).
* Fifty U.S. Flags are displayed continuously at the Washington Monument, Washington, DC. (Presidential Proclamation No. 4064, July 6, 1971, effective July 4, 1971).
* By order of Richard Nixon at United States Customs Service Ports of Entry that are continuously open (Presidential Proclamation No. 4131, May 5, 1972).
* By Congressional decree, a Civil War era flag (for the year 1863) flies above Pennsylvania Hall (Old Dorm) at Gettysburg College. This building, occupied by both sides at various points of the Battle of Gettysburg, served as a lookout and battlefield hospital.
* Grounds of the National Memorial Arch in Valley Forge NHP, Valley Forge, Pennsylvania (Public Law 94-53, approved July 4, 1975).
* Mount Slover limestone quarry (Colton Liberty Flag), in Colton, California (Act of Congress). First raised July 4, 1917.[13]
* Washington Camp Ground, part of the former Middlebrook encampment, Bridgewater, New Jersey, Thirteen Star Flag, by Act of Congress.
* By custom, at the Maryland home, birthplace, and grave of Francis Scott Key; at the Worcester, Massachusetts war memorial; at the plaza in Taos, New Mexico (since 1861); at the United States Capitol (since 1918); and at Mount Moriah Cemetery in Deadwood, South Dakota.
* In addition, the American flag is on continual display on the surface of the Earth's Moon, having been placed there by the astronauts of Apollo 11, Apollo 12, Apollo 14, Apollo 15, Apollo 16, and Apollo 17. It is possible that Apollo 11's flag was knocked down by the exhaust force of liftoff for return to lunar orbit."

Which one applies to the lapels of Presidential candidates???

Posted by: thrh | March 16, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

Let's keep it real, all you "Hillary" supporters are really just right-wing douchebags.

Posted by: lioninzion | March 16, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse


Obama is calling for "Unity" today. Rings.... empty!!! As he fights tooth and nail against Florida and Michigan voters rights.

Everything he does is so "convenient" - for himself.

Invoking JFK and RFK today, once again Obama steals the words of great men to promote himself. Men who would be able to see through him in a heartbeat. Men Obama's life doesn't hold a birthday candle to.

He has a lot of nerve - a lot of ego.

He might want to ask permission from RFK Jr. before using his father's words. RFK Jr. is a strong and adamant Hillary supporter.

Obama thinks he's going to TELL us what to think and do. He's going to CHAGNE the conversation from his obvious lies, his cockiness, his total lack of a resume, his inexperience, his unelectability, his kitchen sink full of his own dirty dishes. He thinks over a weekend he's going to step up and tell us what to think, say this say that and wave that famous magic wand of his and all his troubles and any consequence of them are are going to disappear. Everyone will BELIEVE every word he says. Boy, his mother must have given him the wrong idea about responsibility.

Quick!! Someone tell him he ISN'T GOD. HE ISN'T THE SECOND COMING!!! We aren't at all all enamored with him.

What Mr. Obama needs to do is to retire with his "spiritual adviser" and his wife. Maybe they'd all prefer Africa. They are very popular over there and they don't have to pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States. They could be proud of where they are. Hate for them to be false or anything. It should help them if they're living in their favorite land. Maybe the Kenyan flag would be easier to get that hand over your heart for?

Kind of a hard life - aspiring to everything white, yet hating and cursing it on Sunday! And through Christ no less!

Posted by: Thinker | March 15, 2008 10:36 PM

MLK, JFK, Jefferson, Duval Patrick -- now he thinks he's RFK !!

What a TOTAL JOKE!!

Obama might want to ask RFKs son for permission to now impersonate his father. Since Robert Kennedy Jr. is an adamant supporter of Hillary Clinton.

Mr. Obama has more brass... than a brains.

Way more.

Ecept for EGO - that's certainly larger than any other facet of Mr. NObama.

Pelosi is wrong - popular vote and ALL voters do count in the United States of America. Remember 2000!!! That stupid way of thinking is why Al Gore lost - and look where we are today.

Eight years of Hillary Clinton - or four years of McCain. That simple.

Posted by: Thinker | March 16, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

shrink2

No I am not going to vote for the Clintons.

I am going to vote for Hillary Clinton.

I know that she is not perfect, no-one is but I believe that she is the only canidate that will be capable of bringing about the change this country needs.

I think she is a politician, but I think that she will sincerely try to do what is best for the American people. Do I think I will agree with everything she does? No
But I have watched her for nearly 2 decades and I believe that she is the best equipped to handle the challenges facing this country.

Posted by: chersplace | March 16, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

LesG, les_ca, who ever you are, before you go all "I am so smart, like all we Obama supporting kool-aid drinking, cult members are"...

The current democratic system is stupid. All you Obama supporters' arguments are based on a rule set which is flawed; however, at the same time, you idiots are inconsistent.

There is no logical way you can say "Obama won more delegates, and even if lost the popular vote, the super D's should respect the will of the people and should go with him". The popular vote is the will of the people. Not how delegates are based on the basis of the popular vote.

And if that is how the current rules are set up, the fine, but the self same current rules also say the super D's are free to vote as they choose to.

But it would be too much to expect consistency and fair play from you cult zombies would n't it?

Posted by: intcamd1 | March 16, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

"Face it, some things are too good to be true, and Obama is one of them. Too bad Colonel Colin Powell didn't get a chance to run as president, He is the Honorable One."

I had good friends I served with in Iraq who, were they still alive, would likely beg to differ with you.

It's not about being an America hater, it's about taking a stand against the kind of cheap patriotism you espouse. Hypocrites throw a "support our troops" sticker on their car, wear a flag pin, then demand tax cuts for themselves while deriding veterans and true patriots who have honorably served their country who simply point out the obvious: we screwed up and need to be brutally honest with ourselves about the best way to fix this problem. McCain offers up 100 years of war, and both Hillary and McCain want to turn our attention to Iran, a move which would only succeed in making Iraq the second worst foreign policy decision of all time. But, that's what Washington experience will get you these days....

Me, I've had enough, I've seen too many die without any proper directionand without the government willing to apply the political pressure on our so-called allies to get anything done all in the name of scoring political points at home wile keeping distractions abroad alive. Enough is enough, it's time for change.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | March 16, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Is there a limit as to how many posts one can send at a given time? This rvreader hs posted so many times it's amazing, and every one of his/her/its post has the same theme, hatred, pure unadultarated hatred against Mr.Obama, what a troubled soul rvreader is.

Posted by: vocmitch | March 16, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

"I love my country and although it is not perfect, I would not want to live anywhere else. I will not vote for a racist for my President." Racist?

Cherspace: please understand. Barack Obama is not a racist and he also does not want to live anywhere else. He loves his country.
He is half white and half black. He was raised by his white mother and white grandparents.- his black father left them when he was two. He loved his mother dearly as well as his grandparents. He has always gotten along with both white and black people. His mostly white classmates at Harvard voted him President of the Harvard Law Review- an extremely prestigious position which guaranteed him a high paying job in a private law firm or a coveted job as one of the Supreme Court Justice's clerks. He chose to do community service, drove an old car and lived in a studio apartment in south Chicago. He unified blacks and whites together to reach a common goal.

He will do the same for all races when is President of the United States.

www.barackobama.com

Posted by: Luke2 | March 16, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse


NOT ROCKET SCIENCE - SCARY
Michelle Obama said that the experience that Barack does not have he will acquire - because "most of it is not rocket science".

Wow! Whew! The wisdom of Michelle Obama. I feel safer already.


3AM: MICHELE OBAMA ANSWERS THE PHONE
She says. "Call back tomorrow, we're not feeling particularly proud of America today - so just let it go to the machine. But there are a ton of lapel flag pins in our house that Barack says he wouldn't ever wear. Send a few of those over to the dangerous person. Better yet, call Hillary - that's our first choice for answers. I'm sure she can help you, too.


3AM: BARACK OBAMA ANSWERS THE PHONE
He says: "Who?"


3AM: PUT THAT CALL THROUGH TO HILLARY CLINTON

ABSOLUTELY


THE 3AM AD IS NOT ABOUT FEAR TACTICS

THE 3AM AD IS A REALITY CHECK BY AN ADULT NAMED HILLARY CLINTON

AND IT'S TIME TO WAKE UP! BEFORE 3AM!

Posted by: Thinker | March 16, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Obama says "I won't wear that pin on my chest, instead I will tell the "American People"(as if we're someone else) what I believe will make "this country"(no America referenced here) great, and hopefully that will be a testament to my patriotism(to which country?)"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwog6E08CFU

Here's the video where Obama doesn't put his hand on heart during the National Anthem (although all other candidates have their hand on their heart):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccbPVMBKQpA&feature=related

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it! Obama will take the "United" and "America" out of "United States of America"

Posted by: shannon-veteran | March 16, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a cheat and he his holding hostage the votes of Americans in Florida and Michigan.

He is not a uniter - he is a phony and a cheat.

I will never, EVER vote for this man. I couldn't look at that face for four years.

Mr. McCain is a moderate, maverick Republican who would be controlled well by a Democratic House and Senate.

If Florida and Michigan are striped their right to vote, then it is President McCain over Mr. Obama ANY DAY.

Obama is not who he pretends. He lies straight faced. He is a total trickster.

Posted by: Thinker | March 16, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

chersplace

Are you going to vote for the Clintons?

Posted by: shrink2 | March 16, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

A lot of you forget that neither candidate has enough delegates yet....don't forget the magic number 2024. OB had his chance to end this in Texas and Ohio and he failed. Now he has a chance in Pennsylvania. So if he doesn't win, it looks like this will be decided at the convention.
Also, remember there are millions and millions of voters who are for Hillary. You can't compare this race with McCain Huckabee delegate count. The democratic race is still too close. A lot can happen from now until August.

Posted by: ca67klein | March 15, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

All the Obama hating just turns more voters into voting for him. Americans are fair, they despise the politics of personal destruction. Americans know that the way to bring down the first viable African American is not by trying to deceive people into thinking he hates his country by what some old crazy pastor said. I was offended by the pastor's words but it doesn't mean I'll blame Obama. After all Obama never said any of those things. The man gives this country hope, and their evil forces out there trying to destroy him. Because they know if he wins all Americans win not just a select few.

Posted by: lumi21us | March 15, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

How anyone can say the teachings of Reverend Wright in the name of Christianity are okay is beyond me.
I am so sick of hearing this crap about it being a black thing, that whites don't understand.
I understand that the blacks were mistreated. I understand that minorities have been mistreated, all minorities. I understand that women have been treated as property and mistreated.
But I did not mistreat any black person and no black person making these racist remarks was themself a slave.
They are Americans, the same as I am an American. When other people come to our country and become American citizens they take an oath to this country.
Why is it okay for the people of this church to swear allegiance to Africa but enjoy all the benifits of being Americans.

Racism is not one-sided.
I am white and was raised in the South Philadelphia slums. I went to an all black school and let me tell you, the blacks even when I was in first grade were already filled with hate towards me because I was white. Little kids, 7 years old would surround me and say give us your milk money, and when I said no they would say "we gone git you after school."
When I was in Junior High School I used to get a permission slip to leave school 5 minutes early so I wouldn't get beat up on the way home.
I lived in a family that did not believe in racism but that didn't matter to the kids at school because at home they were being taught racism.
I have a sister who married a black man, and a nephew who is bi-racial and I do not see people by the color of their skin.
We have to move past this racial divide, but people like Reverend Wright and people who want to be a part of this kind of organization do not do anything to put this divide behind us.

I cannot accept that Barrack Obama does not share these views that were expressed in his Church while he sat there for 20 years.

Racism still lives in our society and it will not be eradicated by constantly living in the anger and hate of our ancesters of any race. We are all Americans.
If you don't love this country and want to give your allegiance to another country than that is where you should live.

I love my country and although it is not perfect, I would not want to live anywhere else. I will not vote for a racist for my President.

Posted by: chersplace | March 15, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

WHO'S POSTING ANTI-OBAMA SMEARS?

you may think that it's just a couple of "loonies"....but it's not.

It's an organized campaign.

And it's the same people who campaigned for the war in Iraq (and now Iran)

(their methods, smears; their signature is unmistakable)

It's not a couple of "loonies", instead it's an organized campaign

and the purpose is not (just) to promote Hillary, or McCain...

(either of whom would be fine for them)

The real purpose is to promote WAR

Posted by: kevinlarmee | March 15, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

It's TIME

TIME for OBAMA to play the TRUMP CARD

OFFER

RUSS FEINGOLD as the VICE PRESIDENT

CHANGE the Topic, Senator Obama You the FRONTRUNNER, by far

OBAMA/ FEINGOLD 2008
HOPE/ INTEGRITY 2008
or
Clinton/Norman Hsu 2008 (if not in prison)

Middle Class America, wake up...the middle class are now the new working poor, BECAUSE OF THE Clinton sponsored WAR IN IRAQ and NAFTA


Posted by: ProgressivePatriot | March 15, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

"But connect the dots, I'm saying that by specifically "refusing" to wear the flag on his chest he's defining the hatred he has for America."

Let's get real here. Barack Obama doesn't refuse to wear an American flag on his lapel. I don't refuse to wear an American flag on my lapel. We both just don't think it's necessary to prove our love for our country by putting a pin on our chests that was probably manufactured in China.

I served in the armed forces, and fought in the Viet-Nam war when it wasn't the popular thing to do. Both Bill Clinton and George Bush avoided the war,- Bill by being a draft dodger, and George by not showing up for his Guard duty.- Yet they both wear American flags on their lapels. Does Hillary? I always notice the ever present pearls.

Understand please. It's your actions and not what you wear on your clothes that define your patriotism. Barack Obama has served his community, his state, and his country his entire adult life. He loves America and that is why he is running for President of the Unite States.

Obama 2008 Change that we can believe in. Maybe that is what you don't want.

Posted by: Luke2 | March 15, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

To intcamd1:

Read tonite's Associated Press dispatches. Speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi said today that "if one candidate gets the edge in popular votes and the other gets the edge in delegates, the superdelegates should go with the one who has the delegate lead -- because the entire Democratic Presidential race is about accumulating delegates from state primaries and caucuses, NOT accumulating total popular votes."

In other words, in the current and past system of nominating presidential candidates, DELEGATES to the Democratic convention elected by these state contests decide who the Democratic nominee is. The whole notion of popular votes deciding which way the superdelegates should vote was and is simply a PR effort by Hillary Clinton's campaign to manipulate the process to win -- and was NEVER raised by anyone else, incl. the Clintons, prior to this during the Democratic Party's entire 180 yr presidential nominee history.

If U R going to make comments, at least make intelligent ones. LesG

Posted by: les_ca | March 15, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama's lead isn't that much.

Dems, if Obama is Primary, McCain is gonna win the race.

Obama has gone where no Politician should go and now he is finished or will be once "it's ON" in the general election.

Salvage while you can. If you want a democratic president, you'll need to vote for Hillary.

Face it, some things are too good to be true, and Obama is one of them. Too bad Colonel Colin Powell didn't get a chance to run as president, He is the Honorable One.

Posted by: shannon-veteran | March 15, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Kids to bed.

The Owl and the Pussycat, their favorite story. All beach and under water and waves.

The svloser, what a sad sad pussy you are you are. Could you please tell us again how much money you have wasted doing this? You mentioned the word "fortune". Please tell us. How much?

Give us your .xls. Every day you should post a tally of the money you are wasting.

We think you are funny. If the guy whose name clangs with Osama wins anything from now on, will you set your hair on fire on You Tube?

Posted by: shrink2 | March 15, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

More and more Hillary seems to be holding a live grenade in a Democratic party and warning that if she doesn't get the nomination, we will be sorry ...

No Ma'am, we are sorry, but not over that.

We are sorry the way you and your husband disgraced the presidency and the Party, playing victim while you passed us the bill.

Now we are saying, your latest check has bounced for insufficient funds--you have no more credit after the race baiting, the blatant misrepresentations, and your failure to even come close with a stacked deck ...

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 15, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing -- if U read all of the comments from Republican supporters / Obama haters / Fox news crazies -- its like they are all zombie drones repeating the same trash over and over again. I think the collective IQ of these folks is probably in the low 20's -- that's below moron range, folks -- and I'm being generous at that. Whoever "the rat" and "svreader" are -- they are in the wrong decade -- fascist Italy and Nazi Germany collapsed and disappeared 6 decades ago.

The garbage spewed by the Republicans and by Hillary lovers all miss the point of this news article. Obama's campaign marches on, with 14 new delegates. According to RealClearPolitics, the most authoritative and neutral website following the 2008 Presidential election, as a result of the increased delegate totals from CA and Iowa, Obama's total lead over Hillary Clinton in delegates, incl. superdelegates, is now 134 -- about the same as it was BEFORE Ohio and Texas. I suspect that total edge in delegates will increase to around 140-145 after contests in PA, North Carolina (where Obama is favored to pick up a large majority of the 113 delegates) and Indiana -- which is next door to Illinois.

Keep UR eye on Obama's growing delegate lead, and flush all those vicious anti-Obama comments down the toilet into the sewer where they belong. LesG

Posted by: les_ca | March 15, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

If HRC wins the popular vote and Obama most likely the delegate count (excluding the superdelegates), his cult fans would argue that all the superDs should listen to the will of the people and side with the sainted one.

Oh wait min, did I say, they would argue this way even if HRC woun the popular vote? Yes, surely. Because in the twisted Obama fans' thinking, popular vote means nothing, it is the delegate count which matters. So, the idiotic TX system, in which a narrow subset of people who have nothing else to do, stayed back for the caucuses (while the real people with real jobs voted once in the primary and went to their real lives) gave more delegates to Obama than Clinton who won the popular vote by many hundreds of thousands votes? So what - the cult members don't give a damn, who cares about popular vote? Their man got more delegates, so democracy be damned.

Posted by: intcamd1 | March 15, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Somehow people are trying to imply that every church going person needs to know the views of all the pastors and ministers of the church and will be responsible for their views. Using this logic I guess every person is liable for the views and acts for their family, relatives, friends and colleagues. If that's the case then it's better not to go to church and live in isolation if you want to have a public career. I think it's better to do some research and soul searching before hitting the panic button and voting for the hypocrite alternative. Strength of Mr. Obama's character is evident from the FACT THAT THE TEACHINGS OF Mr. Wright DID NOT IMPACT Mr OBAMA. Mr Wright has faced worst kind of racism during his life and this bitterness will definitely show at times. Mr. Obama can unite this country, soothe those wounds and bury the ghosts of racism forever. Let's unite and vote for hope.

Posted by: vivekkchauhan | March 15, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

I guess all the media attacks about pastor-gate and all Hillary's defaming of character blew up in their faces. They must think we Americans are dumb but we're not, we know guilt by asscioation when we see it. The crazy pastor said all those nasty things not Obama. Obama will be the president of every American not just one sect, the man as never ran a campaign of racial division. So the media and Hillary Clinton can stop all their division because it isn't working. Obama rules!

Posted by: lumi21us | March 15, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Don't blame Clinton for staying in at least until Pennsylvania. The Democrats haven't have a race this close in a long, long time. I don't think he'd give up if the tables were turned. Just hope she makes her campaign against Obama more positive.

Posted by: newageblues | March 15, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Oh and about putting your hand over your heart, I've done some fact checking for you.
For everyone (as in government employees (as in Senator Obama)) that is not in uniform(as in a Soldier), here is the custom for behavior while the National Anthem(the star spangled banner for those who don't know what it is):

"United States Code, 36 USC Sec. 301 says that during the playing of The Star Spangled Banner (United States National Anthem) when the flag is displayed, everyone except those in uniform should stand at attention while facing the flag and have their right hand over their heart. ..."


Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner

Posted by: shannon-veteran | March 15, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

svreader,

your last post should get you kicked off the washpost site for obscenity (as well as insanity).

what a perfect representative for a failing campaign.

please tell the last person over at the clinton headquarters to make al gore happy and turn off the lights.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 15, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

This race is so over it's not even funny anymore. Somebody needs to tell the Clintons it's all over before they destroy the party's chances of winning in november. She even lost a delegate in Iowa for cying out loud.

Posted by: lumi21us | March 15, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Let me ask one question? How many people put their hand over their heart when they sing the National Anthem. I have seen men take their hats off but never their hand over their heart. That video that you people continue to talk about is bogus. They were saying the Pledge of Alligance and most people normally place their hands over their hearts. Although Obama did not, it is not a national disgrace. As an African American, I have only recently started placing my hand over my heart during the PofA because if you listen to those words closely, many of our African forefathers were excluded from that pledge. "With liberty and justice for all" did not apply to the humans that were enslaved when this was written. I think this campaign is going to be a very deep introduction to the extend of racism in this country and how it has molded this country for the past 150 years.

Posted by: wcorbin | March 15, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Patriotism is about so much more than wearing a flag pin or holding a hand over the heart. Treating all men as created equal comes to mind. I am heartened at the reasoned comments here. For the others, may you have peace.

Posted by: dbrose | March 15, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

ben2 --

Biil got a BJ from monica.

Barry's going to BF the entire world.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

The President MUST endorse the Flag of the United States. Period. I'm not saying that Obama's only problem is that he refuses to wear the flag pin on his chest. But connect the dots, I'm saying that by specifically "refusing" to wear the flag on his chest he's defining the hatred he has for America and everything that has happened for the past 200+ years to make America what it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccbPVMBKQpA&feature=related

From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Us_flag#Places_of_continuous_display

Places of continuous display (Flag of the United States):
Astronaut Alan Shepard raises the United States Flag on the surface of the moon during the Apollo 14 mission.
Astronaut Alan Shepard raises the United States Flag on the surface of the moon during the Apollo 14 mission.

By presidential proclamation, acts of Congress, and custom, American flags are displayed continuously at certain locations.

* Replicas of the Star Spangled Banner Flag (15 stars, 15 stripes) are flown at two sites in Baltimore, Maryland: Fort McHenry National Monument and Historic Shrine (Presidential Proclamation No. 2795, July 2, 1948) and Flag House Square (Public Law 83-319, approved March 26, 1954).
* United States Marine Corps War Memorial (Raising the Flag on Iwo Jima), Arlington, Virginia (Presidential Proclamation No. 3418, June 12, 1961).
* Lexington, Massachusetts Town Green (Public Law 89-335, approved November 8, 1965).
* The White House, Washington, DC (Presidential Proclamation No. 4000, September 4, 1970).
* Fifty U.S. Flags are displayed continuously at the Washington Monument, Washington, DC. (Presidential Proclamation No. 4064, July 6, 1971, effective July 4, 1971).
* By order of Richard Nixon at United States Customs Service Ports of Entry that are continuously open (Presidential Proclamation No. 4131, May 5, 1972).
* By Congressional decree, a Civil War era flag (for the year 1863) flies above Pennsylvania Hall (Old Dorm) at Gettysburg College. This building, occupied by both sides at various points of the Battle of Gettysburg, served as a lookout and battlefield hospital.
* Grounds of the National Memorial Arch in Valley Forge NHP, Valley Forge, Pennsylvania (Public Law 94-53, approved July 4, 1975).
* Mount Slover limestone quarry (Colton Liberty Flag), in Colton, California (Act of Congress). First raised July 4, 1917.[13]
* Washington Camp Ground, part of the former Middlebrook encampment, Bridgewater, New Jersey, Thirteen Star Flag, by Act of Congress.
* By custom, at the Maryland home, birthplace, and grave of Francis Scott Key; at the Worcester, Massachusetts war memorial; at the plaza in Taos, New Mexico (since 1861); at the United States Capitol (since 1918); and at Mount Moriah Cemetery in Deadwood, South Dakota.
* In addition, the American flag is on continual display on the surface of the Earth's Moon, having been placed there by the astronauts of Apollo 11, Apollo 12, Apollo 14, Apollo 15, Apollo 16, and Apollo 17. It is possible that Apollo 11's flag was knocked down by the exhaust force of liftoff for return to lunar orbit.

Posted by: shannon-veteran | March 15, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Let's ask the Dad's of Monica Lewinski, Jennifer Flowers, the Arkansas women who went to jail for him, the Arkansas women who alleged he raped her...

Who would they vote for?

Not Billary...

Posted by: ben2 | March 15, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

ChrisStewart- I am not sure what exactly McCain's policies are going to be. What I have heard him say, is that he supports foreign Investments both in and out of this Country.

It is for exactly those reasons, I want a Business Mind like Mitt Romney on Board!

What we cannot allow, is concessions to CLOSED Markets like Mexico, and Theft of American ventured Capital/Technologies/Infrastructures like Castro pulled, and Chavez just did. Investors NEED to feel they are not just getting set-up. Their Stock-holders around the World, need to be assured that the US is NOT going to just let Chavez types pull that Caca! :-(

Places like Mexico, when the Revolution occurred also pulled it, but to a much lessor extent. However, they are still being allowed to keep their Protectionist Measures and Laws while we have yielded ours.

To Hades with Mexico when we can deal with Peru, Colombia, Panama, Brazil, Costa Rica, and Chile! ;~)

G'Nite Folks! :-)

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Obama supporters are willing to go to the length of insulting Honorable Presidents that are no longer with us.

Perhaps the Obama supporters should go and explode George Washingon's and Abraham Lincoln's and John Kennedy's grave too - Oh and don't forget to tear up the Constitution of the United States, or maybe you could burn it - Oh and swing by and spit on the thousands of graves in Arlington Cemetery.

Perhaps there are actually some that don't deserve the freedom that America provides for them.

Now let's talk about electing a President.. Do you want to keep your Freedom as an American, or do you prefer the Apocalypse?

Me, I'll stick beside the 200+ years of people like George Washington, Abe Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt (and Mrs.), John Kennedy, Martin Luther King, and the Honorable Colonel Colin Powell.

Do like apples? How do you like those apples?

Posted by: shannon-veteran | March 15, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

"Ohhhhhh, Dims.

Please.

Pretty, Pretty PLEASE!!!

Nominate Barack! ;~)"

Nice try Bill.. slow Bibmo night?

Posted by: ben2 | March 15, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

"This man has, and continues to spread a message of hope, trying to bring people together rather than tear them down, whatever else he as a Human has done, these are his fruits."

What crap.

Democrats have clearly fallen in love and love is blind, deaf and dumb. Oh well, that's the way it goes. This is all countdown to a backstabbing for Hillary Clinton, whom I trust, based on the hatred of members of her own party, will be: 1) blamed for losing the nomination; 2) blamed for the Iraq War; 3) the construction of Guantanamo Bay; 4) our outrageous deficit; 5) importing Chinese products full of lead and a litany of other evils she's concocted.

It is a vicious thing to wish bad things on people (especially ones you don't know), but I really hope Dems rue their seething hatred of Hillary. But of course, in the peculiar pathology of true believers, she'll be blamed for bringing it on herself.

Posted by: adimitriades | March 15, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Any reason you can think of today to vote of Hillary?

Not for parents who had to have THAT conversation with their pre-teen children thanks to Bill, and Hillary, for she knew what goods we were being sold in 1992, and kept on hawking them.

And not for those proud of the Democratic Party's record on civil and human rights; the Clinton campaign engaging this time around in race coding/baiting, and Hillary just two years ago justifying torture.

And those are just a few reasons.

But they should be sufficient.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 15, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Dear NqBxt5PQj66Yk8yw, what's most interesting about the clip of Obama listening to the national anthem is that he is the only one singing. Not to mention that you can see he is into the song--while the rest of the stiffs on stage stand lifeless.

As has been stated by many before, you put your hand over your heart for the pledge of allegiance, not the national anthem. Also, it's not as if he's refusing to put his hand on his heart, he is looking away from everyone else on stage.

It's evident (especially in this clip) that Obama has real passion for this country, and for making it a better place.

Go Obama!

Posted by: forestkelley | March 15, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama picked up the delegates and lost a preacher and a gangster. Has Hussen picked up any other support?

Posted by: retired34yearfed | March 15, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

After the disaster that has been the Clinton and Obama campaign for the last two weeks I've come to the conclusion that Democrats will nominate anyone no matter their record because they are so desperate to win in November. John McCain hasn't even been in the news lately and Hillary and Obama seem in self-destruct mode via Wright and Ferraro scandals. Obama now looks like a defeatist anti-American, who advocates transparency but only addresses the Wright issue and Rezko after proclaiming honesty and transparency since the start of his campaign(hmmm this is hypocrisy I believe). Hillary on the other hand has come off as a person who will do anything to win including destroying her own party in the process and inserting racist overtones in her campaign. So much for the lock-in for the Democrats in November. The only thing that the Democrats can hope for is some shocking scandal on McCain's part, however, the way he handled the NYT story debacle I don't see that happening. Everyone repeat after me, President Elect John McCain.

Posted by: gonzog3 | March 15, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

So now Billary has her donor thugs threatening the DNC and "demanding" their money back.
Dean and the DNC committee should tell them to pound sand and sue if they like.
Also, Obama'a supporters would happily replace the Clinton blood money out of the DNC and provide a lot more. Good riddance Clinton donor thugs.
One email from Obama could raise the DNC $1,000,000... and another, and another.
It's time for Obama supporters to make clear that their support for Obama will also translate into major cash for DNC and local Democratic candidates. It's not just electability that compels a clear Obama nomination and an immediate Hillary withdrawal, but also major cash for the Democrats coffers.
The Superdelegates and Democratic professionals should understand that Obama's coattails includes major cash for their elections.

Time for the party elders to pull Hillary out of this race.

Posted by: ben2 | March 15, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

As a gay person, I would never vote for Obama. He refused to take pictures with SF's mayor and his friendship with Donnie McClurkin who hates gays. But all he cares about is getting votes. Now it's time denounce his pastor. Maybe it's time for him to denounce Michelle as well.

Posted by: kcbear881 | March 15, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

I am so sick of people questioning Hillary Clinton's credentials. Her 35 years of experience include:

1. Worked for a corporate law firm. She was unfairly entangled in billing disputes.
2. Served on WalMart board. She had no issues with the labor policies there.
3. Formulated a health-care plan. The vast ring-wing conspiracy made it a disastrous health care plan that postponed universal coverage for years.
4. Travelled to over 80 countries. She had tea with foreign leaders.
5. She has extensive experience in the senate and voted for the war in Iraq.
6. Scandal after scandal. Why oh why?
7. Within a couple of years managed to lose both the house and the senate due to vindictive and divisive politics of the Clintons.

With experience like this, who needs Republicans to harm the Democratic party?

Posted by: BethesdaMD | March 15, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Will the last person leaving the Clinton headquarters please make Al Gore happy and turn off the lights?

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 15, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

kcbear: that "moonie" guy owns the Washington Times and donates heavily to the Republican party. Are you sure you want to dis him?

Posted by: byersl | March 15, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

nqbx: great, quoting ronald reagan on his farewell speech. he had alzheimers.

svreader: his mom is dead.

Posted by: byersl | March 15, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Commet to laura. comment to muddobbertd: Thank you both for your post. I feel the same way but I could not have said it any better than you

Posted by: wcorbin | March 15, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

You Obamamites sound like the moonies from that crazy church.

Wrgiht for Obama Wrong for America.
Republicans will really love you guys.

Posted by: kcbear881 | March 15, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

People want "change" because of Bush. This makes perfect sense. No president that gets elected will be able to continue on with the Iraq war, change is inevitable, regardless of presidential candidate.

America should not go overboard by overreacting and electing someone who is completely Anti-American and Anti-Patriot.

The flag colors when it adopted in 1782, were defined as thus: "White signifies Purity and Innocence; Red, Hardiness and Valor; Blue signifies Vigilance, Perseverance and Justice." Obama won't wear the flag pin.

If America and the media elects Obama as president, prepare to be stripped of the right to be "American", forced to bow to that which this country was not founded upon, prepare to experience the Apocalypse.

Posted by: shannon-veteran | March 15, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse


Here's the video where Obama doesn't put his hand on heart during the National Anthem (although all other candidates have their hand on their heart):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccbPVMBKQpA&feature=related

Posted by: shannon-veteran | March 15, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

This outrage over Wright's comments is absurd. They do come across as a bit enthusiastic, but everything he says is right.

The anti-American aspect is also ridiculous. I think you have to be largely oblivious to this countries roll in the world to not see where he is coming from.

Who wouldn't criticize these atrocities? Who wouldn't call attention to them? Why shouldn't he speak with passion about them?

Posted by: forestkelley | March 15, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

They are going to find a way to take this away from Obama. You watch.

Posted by: rahaha | March 15, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

yolanda1-LOL!

I, was NOT the one sitting in a CHURCH, screaming against "Whites", and White America, as if I was somehow something other than a part of this Country.

I view myself as an American. I am smart enough to realize that if I went back to the region of Savoy, Ireland, or Germany, that I would not be considered to be any of them! That I, am an American!

Minister Wright(And I use that Term loosely), seriously needs a trip to any Country in Africa, to see JUST HOW GOOD ALL HIS PEOPLE HAVE IT HERE, and, that HE is NOT an African!

BTW Know Nothing, go to my Home Page, scroll back around 6 months, and realize;

I wanted Colin Powell and Dr. Condaleezza Rice for the Executives! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Mark my words people.

If Obama's the candidate, Democrats are going to lose.

Barry Obama is completely different than his public image.

The truth will come out during the campaign and McCain will win by a landslide.

Nobody will vote for Barry Obama once the truth comes out.

Democrats running against him have had to hold back.

Republicans will have a field day with him.

By the time they get done, even his own mother won't vote for him, and she'd be making the right decision.

The real Barry Obama is really bad news.

Posted by: svreader | March 15, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama says "I won't wear that pin on my chest(The Flag of USA), instead I will tell the "American People"(as if we're someone else) what I believe will make "this country"(no America referenced here) great, and hopefully that will be a testament to my patriotism(to which country?)"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccbPVMBKQpA&feature=related
Soldiers and other Americans that die in the line of duty have the American flag draped over their coffins when they are transported. Presidents that have passed on have the American flag draped over their coffins. What will happen to this sort of honorable practice if Obama becomes president? He doesn't care about the American flag, and that is the same as not believing in what it stands for. Obama wants change alright, but it's not a good thing!

Here's the video where Obama doesn't put his hand on heart during the National Anthem (although all other candidates have their hand on their heart):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwog6E08CFU


Posted by: shannon-veteran | March 15, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Mr. NObama has more brass than brains.

WAY more!!

EGObama EGObama

He's got some dirty dishes and he didn't clean 'em today with his fast talking BELEIVE ME song.

The whole world can see right through him now and he's on such an ego trip he thinks he is the teflon man.

Yes, someone has been drinking too much Kool Aid on that old plane!

Who does he think he is? Mr. Bush!! Sure looks and sounds like him.

NOW get ready, he's going to say he's already answered all these questions. He want to TURN THE PAGE.

Someone tell this guy he isn't GOD!!

Posted by: Thinker | March 15, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

More delegates in an ever-widening lead that marginalizes Hillary Clinton. Someone should really take her aside... say, Al Gore or Howard Dean, and tell her it's time to do the right thing and step aside for the good of the party.

But then, when has a Clinton EVER done the right thing?

Posted by: nezbangi | March 15, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

So what will happen to American patriotism with Obama? Poof, that's what I say. Apocalypse, that's what I say.

It was President Reagan (and many other fine presidents as well, I'm sure) that pointed out in his farewell speech that we need to continue to take pride in America, and that as parents we need to instill patriotism in our children as parents. What is Obama going to do for our patriotism besides take it away by not participating in it. As for the common American, our freedom allows us to believe what we want, to be free to pursue whatever religion we want, and to enjoy being American. But it is important to realize that this freedom is provided by patriotism and by our Constitution. The president is the #1 patriot, charged with preserving our Constitution as Commander in Chief. And this is why the President MUST be a very Patriotic person. As citizens we should enjoy our freedom, this is true, but for president, we should not accept any person who is not a true Patriot of these United States of America.

From Ronald Reagan's Farewell Speech at
http://www.reaganfoundation.org/reagan/speeches/farewell.asp

"An informed patriotism is what we want. And are we doing a good enough job teaching our children what America is and what she represents in the long history of the world? Those of us who are over 35 or so years of age grew up in a different America. We were taught, very directly, what it means to be an American. And we absorbed, almost in the air, a love of country and an appreciation of its institutions. If you didn't get these things from your family, you got them from the neighborhood, from the father down the street who fought in Korea or the family who lost someone at Anzio. Or you could get a sense of patriotism from school. And if all else failed, you could get a sense of patriotism from popular culture. The movies celebrated democratic values and implicitly reinforced the idea that America was special. TV was like that, too, through the mid-'60s

But now, we're about to enter the '90s, and some things have changed. Younger parents aren't sure that an unambivalent appreciation of America is the right thing to teach modern children. And as for those who create the popular culture, well-grounded patriotism is no longer the style. Our spirit is back, but we haven't reinstitutionalized it. We've got to do a better job of getting across that America is freedom--freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of enterprise. And freedom is special and rare. It's fragile; it needs protection.

So, we've got to teach history based not on what's in fashion but what's important: Why the Pilgrims came here, who Jimmy Doolittle was, and what those 30 seconds over Tokyo meant. You know, four years ago on the 40th anniversary of D-Day, I read a letter from a young woman writing of her late father, who'd fought on Omaha Beach. Her name was Lisa Zanatta Henn, and she said, "We will always remember, we will never forget what the boys of Normandy did." Well, let's help her keep her word. If we forget what we did, we won't know who we are. I'm warning of an eradication of the American memory that could result, ultimately, in an erosion of the American spirit. Let's start with some basics: more attention to American history and a greater emphasis on civic ritual. And let me offer lesson No. 1 about America: All great change in America begins at the dinner table. So, tomorrow night in the kitchen I hope the talking begins. And children, if your parents haven't been teaching you what it means to be an American, let 'em know and nail 'em on it. That would be a very American thing to do."

Vote for Obama and you will experience the Apocalypse.

Posted by: shannon-veteran | March 15, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

NGBX....honey, you need to take your meds!
Teddy R: you've posted that same stupid post on every blog in town! try and write something new, k?

Listen carefully to what Reverend White is saying. Forget the dramatics, that's just part of almost any evangelical church (look, white guys worship and kiss snakes at some churches, how weird is that?) He is telling the truth, and you can ask any history scholar: Our arrogant foreign policy, along with that of western Europe for the last 100 years, has contributed to what happened on 9/11. It didn't cause it directly, and no one deserved to die at the hands of terrorists. But look carefully at our policies--and that's why the young, the educated, are voting for Obama in spite of this: they know the truth.

Fox and other stations used about 3 minutes of footage from over 30 years preaching. I guess it wouldn't be good tv to show the good the guy has done for his community. He has brought many to the house of God, and who can complain about that? Racism is alive and well and Hillary is a middle class white chick who would never have been called the N word. So what exactly, do you have trouble understanding? If you can't absorb books, watch Lawrence of Arabia for starters....

Posted by: byersl | March 15, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

This guy points out that "the Clintons" gave his community over 250 million dollars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU

The Clintons aren't perfect but Bill had a 70% approval rating when he left office - that's among the highest of any president in his situation.

What has Obama done for us that is so great?

Of Honorable people and symbols of Integrity, Colonel Colin Powell is someone who fits this description perfectly (see his wikipedia entry below). Obama has no "Honorable" or "Integritabl" credentials to offer, rather his biggest marks are his connections to real-estate crime and his outlandish AntiPatriotism and AntiAmericanism .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Powell

Posted by: shannon-veteran | March 15, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

The likes of Rush Limbaugh, and "rat" hate blacks, latinos, and anyone who doesn't look like them, think (oh sorry), they don't think, and that explains the hatred spewing from their blogosphere. You see, I figured out racism: It is illogical..purely visceral, and unfortunately a large percentage of Americans are racist. I'm sure when they see Obamas' face, they don't see a white face, even though he is white! Look closely....he's his mother's son..yep, Rat, like it or not, he's white like you, except unlike you, he's an intelligent person, one who analyzes, and who figured out a long time ago that the smarter a person of color is, the more those who hate people of color will find fault with them. Like they taught us in law school, if you've got the facts, argue the facts, if you've got the law, argue the law, if you have neither, call the other side names...hey, it worked for W:).

Posted by: Yolanda1 | March 15, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

muddobbertd: Thank you for your post. I feel the same way but I could not have said it any better than you.

Posted by: laura | March 15, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse


If Democrats and the media select Obama as the candidate, he will
fail, and rightly so. Obama is AntiAmerican, AntiPatriotic, he won't
wear the US flag on his body, he won't put his hand on his heart for
the national anthem. If people choose Obama, they will experience the
Apocalypse.

This video shows just one example of what the republicans are going to
do to Obama if he's selected as the primary Democratic candidate:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-714997129077869382&q=Rev+Wright+%22God+Damn%22&total=21&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

Here's another example:
"Todd Harris, a veteran GOP political strategist, tells us, "There are
hundreds of churches in Chicago to choose from but Obama picked the
one with a racist preacher who is anti-American and anti-Israel. This
guy makes Louis Farrakhan look like Hello Kitty and we're going to
have a field day with this.""
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/03/obama_reacts_to_controversial.html

Posted by: shannon-veteran | March 15, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Another defeat for the Hillarist Enemy! There's no doubt Sen. Obama's ready to face the Magoo Machine in the Fall and win! Too late for Dubya to wake up! He gave away the Congress to the Democrats in 06 and, now, he's doing the same for the Presidency. Hope he enjoys the Reading Room at his Library at SMU.

Posted by: filoporquequilo | March 15, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

obama is a separate individual from his pastor; though pastors act as spiritual advisors, unless a person is unduly easy to manipulate, and a religious zealot or into cultism (a nut), comments coming from a pastor is not going to have ultimate influence on a person life. If that were the case, everybody would follow their church's rules, and there wouldn't be a need for jails. Rev. Wright is of the generation of black men; whose hearts are hardened by the reality of racism in America; they often have stout-hearted views of the reality of being black men in America. In all fairness, some of them have a right to have stout-hearts. Obama has every quality necessarity to be an excellent Commander-in-Chief. He has that IT facto, and it's called TRUE GRIT! HRC HAS ZERO TRUE GRIT and 30 years of experience (translation, baggage). Wonder how many special interest groups have her in their hip-pocket? WAKE UP - you don't get 30 years of political experience without 30 years of making enemy's. I don't want to deal with her debt or her enemy's. Change in 2008! O B A M A !

Posted by: lane1449 | March 15, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

rat-the,

I don't think McCain's policies are what America needs right now. Specifically, more more more free trade, maybe not. If we continue down the path of unabashed free trade, one of two things will happen:
1) The US will outsource all production to other countries and the jobs too or 2) the economy is going to nose-dive as US workers to lower pay to compete internationally.

Obama's plan is right. We need trade policies that protect American workers.

Posted by: ChrisStewart | March 15, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

I am supporting Obama because I feel he has the leadership and people skills we need right now. Clinton turns me off, because I see a "win at any cost" attitude in her that bothers me. I read several books about her and admired her spirit and drive, but now I find her simply "abrasive". And frankly, I don't think this country could survive more years of scandals and innuendos like B. Clinton's presidency. If Hillary wins, I am convinced McCain will win the Presidency. If we Democrats have any chance, I think it is with Obama.

Posted by: nancyjoy43 | March 15, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I think, people we don't have to expect perfection from the guy, we need something that would be near to perfection. obama stand it all the way, he didn't afriad when things are not good, he just come out and tell us what he thinks, that is what i like. On the other hand for righwing talk show host, how come obama dislike white people, it doesn't make any sense becouse, his mother is , white, he grow up with his grandparent, i am not making any sense for a guy , half of his blood is white to hate it. For rightwing talk radio show host they are happy becouse they would make it biggger becouse they try to make that he hates white people and he is not good, which is flase. i would beliave if the guy is full black he might beliave that, come on people, he grow up with his mom, and his mom family,so that means he hate his mother, his grandfather , grandmother, i don't think so and you can see it from his speech. Big d/f between Hillary and Obama, the guy have everything what it takes to become the presidant of the free world. we have to change the way politics works in this country, go after someones record of his/ her life time,people can made a mistake and at the same time they can change. we have to come ones as a people, thier are many things that made us to unite than made us apart.

i am out

Posted by: dawitekebebew | March 15, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I also watched the interview on Fox, and my impression was very different than yours. I thought he did OK, I also feel some concern about his 20 years at the church, and not a hint of any comments like this from his pastor he was aware of. I too was shocked when I saw all the video footage of his pastor, and I do not condone or excuse any of it in any way. However, after the shock wore off a bit, and I saw and read Obama's responses, I must say, in spite of everything, it was a more honest response than Hillary Clinton would ever be capable of. And it did make me consider the Christian religion as it is being taught today, in context with what the scriptures say. I went to Parochial school my first 8 years, and have attended church the first 35 years of my life. Nowhere in the bible does it say to celebrate Christmas, it is really a Pagan holiday holdover adopted by Christianity that celebrates the Winter Solstice. Easter , Easter Eggs, Easter Bunny are not mentioned as a celebration in the Bible either, this is the Pagan Holiday for the Spring Equinox adapted by Christianity. Barrack's church seems radical, but so are most of mainstream Christian TV preachers and their churches. Some common and accepted themes we as white, Bible believing folk accept from these mainstream churches include, Rev Fallwells assertion that 911 was a result of Gods wrath on America for all the abortions, as well as other big name see 'em every Sunday morning on TV types who claim God has punished New Orleans for Homosexual behaviour, that God created America for the express purpose of identifying Islam as the work of Satan and his spirits, and America's purpose is to identify and destroy from the Earth this work of the Devil. The supposed Biblical theory that the more money you give to these TV "churches", the more God will bless you with worldly riches, as these accepted mainstream church leaders live in large homes, have the most hypocritical and lavish lifestyles while the widows drop their last mite into the churches money box. My point is that the Bible does not support these perversions of the Gospel and of Gods Holy word. The true Christian faith has been twisted, warped and perverted beyond recognition, and we, right here in America embrace it every day, because if we agree or not with any particular mainstream faith, or teaching, we do not stand against it. We do not feel shock by this, as we have become acclimated to these truley strange and perverse teachings, that are against the true and real and relevant teachings of the Bible. So now, Obama's Pastor comes along, and his cherry picked reel of preaching highlights, in truth, are no more scary or over the line than many, many mainstream Christian leaders that we gloss over, because their targeted message of perverted teachings are targeted to us white folks, and many embrace and accept them and look to these who spout this as our "leaders". The same America has sinned concept, except the ones who have sinned to cause the calamity to our country from God are not us, no, no, it is those unbelievers who have caused this and not us. It is the unrighteous who have provoked God and not us, we are the faithful of his church and led by our dear Pastor who perverts Gods very teachings, and we say to Jesus, Lord, Lord, and He knows us not!! Obama's pastor is only another version of the same theme, tailored to those who are in reality the very same as we are. They really have been oppressed as a people, and this is reality, a result and the price of slavery. America above all in history, deserves honor, respect, and credit She doesn't receive for ending slavery and starting on the road to doing what is right, trying to fulfill the whole promise of Her inception. So, really, Obama's church is NOT shocking, but expected. It is a cultural offshoot of out very own concept and teaching of Christianity, twisted and tailored to fit the need and reflect the feelings of their segment or the population. America has come a long way, and has far to go, Americans can't seem to face the facts that we, as a nation, have wronged many people, and have lifted up many people, all at the same time. Remember the American Indians? Our American Government gave them blankets with Smallpox, yes, our very government, just as any person, has committed both terrible and wonderful things. This causes me to put the whole issue of this whole Obama Pastor issue into perspective, as Jesus said, "By their fruits you shall know them". Barrack Obama has conducted himself thought this campaign with more dignity and respect for his opponents, and taken the high road even when the whole "kitchen sink" has been thrown at him than Hillary Clinton could ever muster. This man has, and continues to spread a message of hope, trying to bring people together rather than tear them down, whatever else he as a Human has done, these are his fruits. We as a Nation need to confront the issues at hand and bring together and try to heal this country, nothing that Barrack Obama has said or done can take away the fruits that he stands for. Even the words of his pastor. He is to be judged by the American people by the "fruits" of his words and deeds. I will continue to support Barrack Obama. The fruits of the two other Presidential contenders, not what they say but what they do, dictate that I must. It is time to stop being phoney Patriots and be real Patriots, and focus on the future of our country, and I believe that Obama is the best choice to be our next President.

Posted by: muddobbertd | March 15, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's tactics are both evil and SO 90's. I was going to vote for her if she got the party nod, but not now.

IF HRC gets it, I'm writing in Obama.

Hillary is old and tired news.

Posted by: msmiller8265 | March 15, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Goody Goody!

Christmas comes EARLY! :-)

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Nominate Barack! ;~)

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Don't worry, rat. You'll get your wish.

Senator Obama will mop the floor with Bush clone, Reich-wing, "Weathervane" McCain.

Posted by: storky | March 15, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Teddy, there is a Candidate from Roosevelt's Time, and Principles!

A "REAL" Democrat!

Someone who never admits defeat!

RALPH NADER! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

We shall sir --and then with the power and enthusiam born of a love of our mighty country and its values and history, we will defeat a Republican party who has driven us into a ditch here and abroad.

We, sir - cannot wait for the day when the battle is joined and the old and tired warrior, will fling himself upon the grenade of the Bush legacy and take one for the gipper.

The crushing defeat of Republicans across this country will give the Democrats over whelming majorities in both houses of Congress and we will begin to remake this country on the high road of hope and honesty.

Stong in our defense and yet kind to each other here at home we shall bring the vigor and intelletual energy of two new generations of young Americans into the leadership of the greatest country the world has ever known.

God Bless these United States of America.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | March 15, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

I proudly displayed my Obama sticker for a year, and I've contributed to his campaign when I really didn't have the money to spend. In the past 2 days Obama has lost his credibility on character, his credibility on judgement and his credibility on electability. He has nothing left to run on in the general election. Obama cannot play the "shocked" and "didn't know" game about Wright's rhetoric. If he didn't know then he should have. His advisors should have told him how bad this would be. What blows my mind is that he didn't have any plan on how to deal with this bomb when it hit the media, like he didn't ever think it would come up. So much for good judgement! Obama should ask John Edwards to return and turn over all his delegates to him. If the Wright stuff had happened in January Obama would have sunk and Edwards or Biden might still be alive. What about Gore/Edwards? We need a new candidate! Neither Hillary or Obama can unite the broken Democratic Party.

Posted by: TeddyRoosevelt | March 15, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm happy to see that Obama still has the momentum even though he's had a pretty rough three weeks. GO OBAMA!

Posted by: JenniferJ1 | March 15, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Ohhhhhh, Dims.

Please.

Pretty, Pretty PLEASE!!!

Nominate Barack! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Everytime I start feeling a bit overwhelmed by the hate-filled rhetoric of the right and the volume of hysterical blather from the Hillary drones that inhabit these discussion boards, my faith in the common decency of America is restored by the continuing actions of folks who really want change and do not sway from their efforts to achieve a profound break with the past.

Thank you Iowa. You lead us again.

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | March 15, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

The post is incorrect when it states that "The [Iowa] result gives Obama a lead of 114 pledged delegates over Clinton, the Associated Press reported."

The Associated Press lead of 114 includes superdelegates. Obama's lead among pledged delegates is larger; most published figures put that lead at around 160 before the gain of 7 from Iowa.

Posted by: fairbalanced | March 15, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Hilary needs to back out. She can't win with pledged delegates and her negative attacks are turning more and more Democrats, and super delegates, against her. All she can do by staying in the race is damage The Party.

C'mon Hilary, you're a great Senator. There's no shame in being a Senator. Stop the Drama, back Obama!!

Posted by: thebobbob | March 15, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

America Haters??? Wow!! Republicans engaging in fearmongering?? Who knew!

Posted by: fwasti | March 15, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Where is Senator Clinton's experience? Senator Obama is supposed to be a political neophyte. Yet, he and his campaign are out maneuvering Senator Clinton and her campaign at every turn. Senator Obama is surely demonstrating a much better mastery of the kind of political skills that are required of presidents trying to get legislation passed by congress. I think that Senator Obama would be a much more effective president than Senator Clinton if the primary is an example of their skills, talents, strategies, tactics and decision making ability.

Posted by: jlaprise | March 15, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

WOW! And if the America Haters win every single remaining delegate,

They still get a Brokered Convention! ;~)

Me, I Love America. Go McRomney! :-)

Friends, don't LET Friends, Vote Dimocrat! :-(

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

There is NO WAY she could win the pledge delegate race. She needs to gracefully exit the race and put the party before herself.

Posted by: fwasti | March 15, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

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