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On Wright Question, Unclear Answers From Obama

By Perry Bacon Jr.
While he has discussed his relationship with the former pastor of his church constantly over the last two weeks, it's still unclear what exactly Barack Obama heard as he sat in the pews of Trinity United Church of Christ.

At an event in Greensboro, N.C., on Wednesday, Obama used a question about his religion to defend his relationship with Jeremiah Wright, after Hillary Clinton had said earlier in the week she would not have had a pastor who made controversial remarks like Wright has. Videos of Wright's speeches that surfaced earlier this month show him saying "God damn America" for its treatment of ethnic minorities and suggesting the U.S. government invented AIDS to harm blacks.

Wright said "some objectionable things when I wasn't in church on those particular days, and I have condemned them outright," Obama told the crowd, according to NBC News.

Interviewed on March 14 on Fox News, Obama also noted he had not been in church for Wright's controversial remarks, saying "none of these statements were ones I had heard myself personally in the pews."

But in his speech in Philadelphia about race last week, Obama described his recollections slightly differently.

"Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes," Obama said.

Obama aides have not said specified which of Wright's sermons the candidate attended or if there was a difference between "objectionable" comments Obama did not hear and "controversial" ones he did.

But Obama defended his pastor last week and again yesterday after returning from the campaign trail following a few days off in the Virgin Islands.

"This is somebody that was preaching three sermons at least a week for 30 years and it got boiled down...into a half-minute sound clip and just played it over and over and over again, partly because it spoke to some of the racial divisions in this country."

At the same time, Obama added a wrinkle to his description of the church he has long attended, noting in Greensboro that the United Church of Christ denomination is "by the way, a 99 percent white denomination." The Chicago congregation Obama belongs to has an overwhelming black membership.

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For Frengle:

This is much too important to ignore. It is against America and does not speak of getting along, just blaming all the whites for what has happened. I've done nothing wrong and sat in the back of the bus in Georgia, at a lunch counter in Richmond, and so forth. This was so anti-American and so appalling I can't accept it or let it go. Especially after Obama said he didn't find fault with Wright. He also said he didn't hear him, then he did. He is not stupid and he is not deaf. In twenty years time he heard. He let it go because it benefitted his political career in Chicago. Plain and simple. He sold out.

Posted by: katherine11 | March 30, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

For those that think this controversy is going away; it is not. It may not be a big deal to some people but it is to many. Especially, for someone who is running for President. Furthermore, Obama needs to stop talking about it; he is only keeping it alive by continuing to make it the topic of the conversation.

In addition, two weeks ago in a speech, he chose to disown the statements delivered by the man but not the man who delivered the statements.

And finally the speech that should've brought closure to the controversy; has only raised some more eyebrows. Many continue to question why he chose to stay there for so long; unless he believed in the message that was delivered at the end of each sermon.

Posted by: glrodriguez1 | March 30, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama realizes he can't get out of this one so he just ignores it. I can't. A vote for Obama is a vote for Wright. Obama lied when he said Wright retired. He is still senior pastor. He is just lying low until after the elections. Wake up, people. His pastor rails against America and blames us whites for everything, as though they had no part in their own destiny. His wife is ashamed of this country after having benefited more from this country than the vast majority of whites. Sure it was a slip of the tongue. Or maybe I should say the thought was so strong, it pushed its way out. I thought race is and should be irrelevant, but Obama started it in South Carolina and just keeps bringing it up. Now why would I vote for him when I have no white guilt. The ones who should regret their prejudice don't, so don't try to put it off on me.

Posted by: katherine11 | March 30, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

If my pastor taught things that offended me, I would do two things: (1) work with other members of the congregation to remove her/him; (2) leave the church if the congregation did not move to remove her/him. If the congregation appreciated the pastor's teachings, then I would have to realize that this church was not for me.

People who sit in church and listen to John Hagee do so because they agree with Hagee. People who tithe to Hagee's ministry do so because they believe in the mission of his church. They applaud when Hagee says hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for the displacement of Jewish settlers in Gaza. People who disagree with Hagee either don't join his church in the first place or they leave when they realize what's going on.

It's straightforward common sense, folks, that you leave a church that does not reflect your beliefs. Those of you who claim that you sit through sermons you disagree with are blatantly rationalizing your support for Obama. Either you're lying or you're cowardly.

Wright's black liberation theology is a worldview that is reflected in those very remarks white people (and a substantial number of blacks) find so objectionable. Wright's so-called offensive remarks cannot be separated from his teachings. These remarks ARE his teachings. Obama's claim that he only heard Wright talk about the love of Jesus - and I have the quote where Obama says this - flies in the face of what Wright's ministry is all about. What shocked white Americans is the essence of Wright's teachings, not a few remarks taken out of context.

Obama sat in the pews for twenty years and tithed thousands of dollars to Trinity United. He is a celebrity at the church. They love Obama at Trinity United. He is seen as one of the congregation leaders. He stands shoulder-to-shoulder with Reverend Jeremiah Wright - or at least he stood shoulder-to-shoulder with him until he threw Wright and Trinity United under the bus for the sake of presidential ambition.

Obama said at first that he did not hear the remarks that have caused such controversy. Then he said in the so-called "best speech on race ever" that "of course" he heard controversial remarks. Now, he says he did not hear controversial remarks. Which remarks did he not hear? 'Any remarks that white people consider controversial are the remarks I did not hear,' is his standard (and ridiculous) answer. But since these remarks ARE Wright's teachings, Obama by definition heard all the controversy for 20 years - as he sat and listened to the teachings, agreed with them, borrowed a line from Wright to be the title of his book and so forth. Obama has always known what this church is about.

The problem isn't Wright. It never has been. The problem is Obama and the big lie he is telling America about his relationship to the church. There are only two possibilities: (1) Obama believes in black liberation theology and thus has remained a member of Trinity United and a disciple of Jeremiah Wright or (2) he used Trinity United to develop his black identity and to build a constituency in Chicago to further his political ambitions. In one interpretation, Obama is a committed black radical who is hiding his politics to get in the White House. In the other interpretation, he's a cut-throat with no sense of loyalty.

Either way, Wright's teachings are rightly an albatross hanging around Obama's neck, an albatross that will sink the Democratic Party's effort to take back the White House if Obama is the party's nominee for president. It would be a blunder of historic proportions to do anything other than make Hillary Clinton the nominee or draft either John Edwards or Al Gore to head the party this fall.

Posted by: wwsword | March 30, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting to see how Obama's followers rabidly defend his life long association with the hateful and ironically, very unchristian, Jeremiah Wright. Fortunately, their ignorance is good for the country in that this is a mortally wounded candidate come the general election, and they don't yet realize this. The comments made by "I hate Whitey" Wrighty really are so abnormal and unrepresentative in mainstream America, that Obama and his defenders marginalize his candidacy by their continued efforts to defend this type of hate speech.

Posted by: barakobama | March 30, 2008 4:28 AM | Report abuse

I just cannot believe the double-standard of white Americans. No presidential candidate in the history of this country has been scrutinized continually by comments made by his minister. With the exception of John F. Kennedy when he was confronted by the group of religious leaders in Texas - which was not ongoing for a solid month. Even from some my closest and dearest friends it is assumed that we are suppose to be good black folks and forgive, forget and move on. You want Barack Obama to apologize relentously for the offensive comments made by his minister - well, could we possibly expect to get America to acknowledge 400 years of abuse along with an apology? Of course not - so why don't you all just be good white folks and forgive, forget and move on!!!

Posted by: cathyedwardsthompson | March 29, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

If it is of such great importance to many Americans why a presidential candidate stayed in a church for 20 years where sermons were preached that they find so offensive to the extent they feel he should deny his minister and spiritual mentor and leave his church in order to stay in the good graces of the public - you must not be familiar with the events surrounding a certain disciple named Peter who denied his minister of 3 years 3 times and went fishing instead of trusting in the one who had brought him to faith. To ask a man to openly reject the very one who brought him to his personal faith is completely sacriligous and contrary to fundamental Christian beliefs. By the way does anyone even know what church our current president of 8 depressing years attends and just who his minister is? And, if so, what types of sermons is he listening to on Sunday mornings? I do believe that is a bit more relevant because afterall President Bush did say that God had endorsed many of his presidential decisions (2 Corin 4:3-4).

Posted by: cathyedwardsthompson | March 29, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

MSkakel:

For someone that calls out others for rewriting history, you would think that you would know that the soldiers who were killed "fighting against slavery and civil rights during the War 1861-65" were not "all white " as you claim. Did you fail History 101?

Posted by: frengle | March 29, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

It is not complicated.

Obama can sever all ties to his church and his mentor, the Rev. Wright...or he can let this controversy grow and fester.

If Obama has any passionate love and respect for our country, he must condemn his minister, and apoligize for the time he sat and listened to the Anti-American sermons.

We do not know, who Obama is.

Posted by: adamscar | March 29, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Bacon's inference that there is no real differentiation between Obama's hearing the "objectionable", which he denied, and the merely "controversial", which he admits, is accurate! What about the Newsletter of the "church" damning his own country, Jews, Romans, Italians, and every European dead or alive, advocating revolution? Or that Africa is the "cradle of civilization", never mind Athens and Plato, Aristotle and the birth of Western Civilization! [Or maybe that's why they failed in Logic 101]. Let's rewrite history according to the Wright and Farakhan aGospel! Or that beautifully "healing" Easter Sunday Sermon last week by his new refreshingly tolerant Rev.Otis wherein he accused Italians/Europeans of "Lynching" the Messiah! I wonder which Messiah he was referring to, Rev. Wright or Sen. Obama?!

What about the Newsletter in which he was damning not only country but Jews, Europeans and all whites you can think of (not the 'halves', mercifully!) advocating revolution. Was it "objectionable" or merely "controversial" and ok for his and his kids to hear? Or that beautiful, Healing Easter Sunday Sermon where the new more of a uniter pastor at his Church was accusing these white monster-infidels of "Lynching Jesus" -- on the Cross and beyond, of course! Gosh, I thought only 650,000 soldiers were killed fighting against slavery and civil rights during the War 1861-65! And thousands more whites maimed and injured badly. They were all white and they fought for what they believed and still believe. But etremism sells for Obama and his Uncle Jerry.

Question here is for OBAMYOPICS:

Have you ever questioned Obama's PARENTAL Judgement (forget his Presidential!) in allowing his two young impressionable girls to attend 'church' where the Sunday Catechism consists of witnessing lewd Porn-on-the-Pulpit wild gyrations of Rev. with clenched fist in air, angrily shouting whilst clearly simulating a Sex act:

"Yup. Bill Clinton loves us like he loved Monica.Bill is riding us high like he did Monica!!..."--rocking back and forth, being patted on his back by an enthusiastic congregant....

Why did he not grab his two little girls and remove them from this toxic environment of "Profanity-laced sermons" as N.Y.Times reported?! Remove his young children from a place of harm where the indoctrination of the young to agenerationally-perpetuated Hatred and self-imposed victimization became a ritual for 30 years?!

Obama had 20 years to start a dialogue to question his pastor about his extremist, toxic, racist and sexist views, and especially to question his lewd and profane Sermons where children are placed, by a man of trust, into a direct position of harm. I have yet to see a pastor/rabbi/minister/imam use the pulpit for sexual simulation posing as Sunday School Catechism for Children!

Instead, His Hopeness gave a politically expedient Speech to millions 20 years later, rather than begin at his own church to start the HEALING. Where was the Love all these years from this Master of Peace and Unity? Where was the Healing? Where was the Tolerance? And...WHERE WAS HIS JUDGMENT?

It's not too late for his Obamyopic Campaign to atone for their Leader and donate at least an 'X-RATED WARNING sign' to post outside the Church, if only to prevent children from being poisoned by inappropriate messages and lewd acts. It would be good for his Soul. And it would be CHANGE that would give voters HOPE!

Posted by: MSakel | March 29, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Perry Bacon Jr. and the pre high school education level of posters who like pre school age children in the throes of a temper tantrum have done more to authenticate the correctness of Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr's analysis of White Racism and it's devastating effects on America than all of his words, spoken and written.
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You are an embarrassment to the rest of us and I love you and the ideal of our nation enough to tell you to your face. Your White racism is sad and your fear is unwarranted.

Direct your hate at your mother, your dad or whomever persuaded you to believe in the dumb lie of the superiority of White skin. If you just must hate and live in fear of the shadows cast by your imaginary demonic friends - hate the ignorant adults who deprived you of E-D-U-C-A-T-I-O-N.
"Obama is not Christian." HOW DO YOU KNOW? Where have you studied? Is George Bush Christian? What Pastor and Church influenced him for the past 20 years. You know not Christianity or Islam. You and Mr. and Mrs Clinton are a national embarrassment.

This is not the Jerry Springer Show. This is the United States of America. The year is 2008 and an unusually gifted Black American leader has fairly and squarely won the Democratic presidential nomination. He has done what you, Mr. and Mrs. Clinton or I could not do. Thank God for him. Americans need relief.
Recommendation: Use the precious remaining minutes and seconds of the life you have been granted to rid yourself of the ignorant lie of White supremacy, and learn to love all human beings.

According to your Christianity when you die and go to heaven are you going to ask to leave and spend eternity in hell when you find out belatedly that JESUS is not WHITE? Don't die as stupid as you have lived. Jesus has never been White. Jesus has never been Right Wing, Republican or American. Now you know too.
You wouldn't know "CHRISTIAN" if "CHRISTIAN" tongue kissed you next Sunday morning at eleven o'clock.
But there your dumb a*s go following the lynch mob from blog to blog cursing and throwing bricks at a world reknown Theologian and scholar who has four(4) earned and 7 Honorary degrees and a forty one(41) year career. Why? Because he is Black and educated and you are neither. He loves you and you hate him. You are what's wrong with our country.
Forgive your fathers and educate yourself before you check out. Try it.

Sure it's going to be hard. Everything worthwhile requires considerable effort. Just keep this in mind: "That damn racist Black pastor of Obama did it." ! Bachelor, 2 Masters and a Phd. Speaks English, Greek, Spanish, Hebrew, Arabic.(maybe more) I'm sure a great patriotic American like you ain't gonna let these radical Black guys outdo you in the classroom. They are inferior. Remember?

Had you been alive when it was legal to have plantations full of negro slaves you would be the same loser you are today and would not have owned a single one had the Civil War not interrupted your regressive pipe dream. So get over it.

I am a US. Army combat veteran and I do not appreciate you anti-Americanism.
AMERICA '08 - Get With It Or Leave It.

Posted by: thinking_1 | March 28, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

revision: about my 10 of course at work we have options to combat offensive comments but the rest still rings true.

Posted by: jacade | March 28, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

revision: about my 10 of course at work we have options to combat offensive comments but the rest still rings true.

Posted by: jacade | March 28, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

at this point the press is playing an assinine tangent with this story. 1) will someone give me an example when they walked out from church or work or social organization when they heard offensive comments- very rare im sure. 2) where other politicians criticized for not leaving a parish when a clergy was found guilty of assulting children. ( it never crossed anyones mind). 30 let's be honest obama is multi-racial and able to deal with the complexity of race in the smoothest manner i've ever seen; but to that let's simply look at rev wright and notice he has as much european heritage as african heritage (as do many african amerians) so that contributes to the complexity of the issue. 4) pat robertson and falwell faulted american wickedness for 911 and they are tight as ticks to the republicans. billy graham made anti-semetic comments and has been a spiritual advisor to all the recent presidents. 5) who in the world is blamed the comments of someone else ? that's fundamentlally un-american. people all of us are soiled in this arena.

Posted by: jacade | March 28, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

at this point the press is playing an assinine tangent with this story. 1) will someone give me an example when they walked out from church or work or social organization when they heard offensive comments- very rare im sure. 2) where other politicians criticized for not leaving a parish when a clergy was found guilty of assulting children. ( it never crossed anyones mind). 30 let's be honest obama is multi-racial and able to deal with the complexity of race in the smoothest manner i've ever seen; but to that let's simply look at rev wright and notice he has as much european heritage as african heritage (as do many african amerians) so that contributes to the complexity of the issue. 4) pat robertson and falwell faulted american wickedness for 911 and they are tight as ticks to the republicans. billy graham made anti-semetic comments and has been a spiritual advisor to all the recent presidents. 5) who in the world is blamed the comments of someone else ? that's fundamentlally un-american. people all of us are soiled in this arena.

Posted by: jacade | March 28, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

team-davis asks "What it boils down to is do you trust Obama?"
Yes, as a matter of fact, I do. I trust that he is exactly who he says he is. Tell me, Jake D. SV, do you trust the Clintons who have lied repeatedly about who they are and changed positions to suit the political winds? And speaking of preachers, we all know that Pat Robertson and his ilk have said much more damaging things than Wright ever did. And you seem to know so much about Obamas life - have you read "Dreams from My Father?" Unlikely.
Can you tell me how Hillary brought peace to Northern Ireland and dodged bullets in Bosnia and only voted for the war becasue she didn't think Bush would REALLY do it?
But the fault here is with the press. Perry, this is dead old news. The people who will jump on it are here in all their ignorance and hatred. The people who have some brain cells left are here trying to explain reality to them. That's what you want, to sell more papers. You are turning this election into a farce by pushing issues that have nothing to do with the candidates or their platforms. This is not a gossip rag, is it? Are we all faux now? Your editors should have thrown this one out.
Did anyone hear either candidate address the ECONOMY yesterday? Did you know that Shiites are fighting Shiites now in Iraq?
Hmmm.
One thing you seem to know how to talk about is something you seem to know very little about. Shame on you, Hillary Clinton, for having such ignorant supporters. I am sure President Obama will find something for you to do in his administration.

Posted by: sheridan1 | March 28, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

afed27:

You cite Hillary's support from Big Oil to make your case that Hillary is "far ahead of Obama in knowledge and in character." By that measure, Dick Cheney probably has more "knowledge" and "character" than both of them combined.

Posted by: frengle | March 28, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: frengle | March 28, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

It's dishonest to reduce Wright preaching to "race rantings" and "hate talk" without discussing the greater points that he was making and without attempting to understand his target audience. It is not sufficient to just cite the short clips, taken out of context, as evidence that Rev. Wright can be reduced to a race-baiting hate monger. It's intellectual unsupportable and dishonest.

Then, with no understanding of the man or his message, you indict Obama for not disassociating himself from the man or the church. This is just plain ignorant and not supported by logic.

Posted by: frengle | March 28, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse


More half truths and lies from Obama. First he didn't hear any comments from Wright. Then he may have heard a few but not anything too anti-american.

Now the church is 99% white. Wow!

Here are some more lies....

http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/Obama_hate_America_sermon/2008/03/16/80870.html

Posted by: ghokee | March 28, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama must have taken lessons on how to throw the bull.In 20 years of attending Wright's church, he didn't hear the pastor's race rantings? Well, he says, maybe a couple of times.The Reverend spoke those nasty words when he knew that his favorite pupil was not within hearing distance? I have news for those naive people who can believe this to be true. The Reverend's words were printed in newspapers and other publications. His daughter wrote a book about them. The "God damn the U.S." speech was reported on by the Chicago Tribune. Tapes of the Reverend spouting these words of hatred were made and shown. If Obama sincerely knew nothing of the preacher's rantings and his hate messages, then Obama is too dumb to be President. If he knew nothing of the rantings, why did he disinvite his adored Pastor from his speech declaring his run for the presidency? He declares that he may have heard the hate talk a couple of times but he does not believe the rantings to be true, his values are otherwise. This brings up another question. Why, knowing that there were times when the preacher would preach of this hate against Israel and the Jews and the damning of the U.S., did Obama allow his daughters to attend the church to be subjected to this hate talk? How was he able to explain it to them? It does not make sense to me. I think that he should have gone to a different church to hear the word of God, not hate, and, Obama could have met with his beloved Rev.Wright outside of the church to discuss matters that they are prone to discuss.
Clinton has shown that she is far ahead of Obama in knowledge and in character. The other night, on the Charlie Rose show, John Hotsmeister, President of Shell Co., told of the industry holding a
huge meeting, in February, where the problems and plans of the industry would be discussed. All 3 candidates were invited. Hillary was the only one that showed up. I think that there were 350 oil companies represented and 650 people associated in some way with the oil industry there. Hillary gave a speech
telling them what she knew of the industry, including their profits and their problems. She addressed how she would help them, about presidential committees that would be formed, the taxes she wanted to have them pay, etc. The attendees of the meeting were amazed at her knowledge and gave her a roaring acclamation. They were very impressed!

Posted by: afed27 | March 28, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama must have taken lessons on how to throw the bull.In 20 years of attending Wright's church, he didn't hear the pastor's race rantings? Well, he says, maybe a couple of times.The Reverend spoke those nasty words when he knew that his favorite pupil was not within hearing distance? I have news for those naive people who can believe this to be true. The Reverend's words were printed in newspapers and other publications. His daughter wrote a book about them. The "God damn the U.S." speech was reported on by the Chicago Tribune. Tapes of the Reverend spouting these words of hatred were made and shown. If Obama sincerely knew nothing of the preacher's rantings and his hate messages, then Obama is too dumb to be President. If he knew nothing of the rantings, why did he disinvite his adored Pastor from his speech declaring his run for the presidency? He declares that he may have heard the hate talk a couple of times but he does not believe the rantings to be true, his values are otherwise. This brings up another question. Why, knowing that there were times when the preacher would preach of this hate against Israel and the Jews and the damning of the U.S., did Obama allow his daughters to attend the church to be subjected to this hate talk? How was he able to explain it to them? It does not make sense to me. I think that he should have gone to a different church to hear the word of God, not hate, and, Obama could have met with his beloved Rev.Wright outside of the church to discuss matters that they are prone to discuss.
Clinton has shown that she is far ahead of Obama in knowledge and in character. The other night, on the Charlie Rose show, John Hotsmeister, President of Shell Co., told of the industry holding a
huge meeting, in February, where the problems and plans of the industry would be discussed. All 3 candidates were invited. Hillary was the only one that showed up. I think that there were 350 oil companies represented and 650 people associated in some way with the oil industry there. Hillary gave a speech
telling them what she knew of the industry, including their profits and their problems. She addressed how she would help them, about presidential committees that would be formed, the taxes she wanted to have them pay, etc. The attendees of the meeting were amazed at her knowledge and gave her a roaring acclamation. They were very impressed!

Posted by: afed27 | March 28, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

If Obama or reporters would just answer what did he hear and when did he hear it, and the answer doesn't call his credibility on prior occasions into question, then it would be time to retire this issue (until Rove/McCain start the drumbeat in the fall).

And how is it relevant that the same church in another region is 99% white?

Posted by: lithium452 | March 28, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

For those interested in more than sound bytes, and are truly curious about Wright, here's a full sermon to read: http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=4808fe74-023d-417b-8537-33763c33e399

Like all Wright sermons, its quite good; it exhibits deep biblical scholarship, and it has some rough controversial spots where it applies the biblical teaching to modern contexts.

As normal, the controversial portions are only a small part of the sermon, they do not constitute the teaching of the sermon, and here, the rough spots aren't quite as incendiary as the more notorious ones.

Posted by: collacch | March 28, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

chersplace:

You're quite welcome. Also, your rationale for not jumping on the Obama bandwagon, just yet, is fair. I just hope that when you do end up making your decision on which candidate to support, you base your decision on criteria that reflects on their ability to perform the duties required of a president: things like policy positions, intelligence, experience. If that leads you to another candidate, so be it.

Posted by: frengle | March 28, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Roncraw:

Do you believe that whites and blacks approach the issue of race from equal perspectives? If whites had a meeting and said things like "blacks have oppressed us for 400-years" they would be laughed at for their poor understanding of history. Also, the UCC is a predominantly white denomination. My very white mother attends church there with her very white friends and neighbors.

Posted by: frengle | March 28, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

frengle

Thank you for responding to my question. You are the first person that has.

As for what you said about we would need a much more nuanced understanding of Wright to judge him.
That is how I feel about supporting Obama. I just don't feel we can know enough about him in the short time he has been in public eye.
Most Americans never heard of him before this election. When someone is applying for a job they put their best foot forward and show the image they want you to see. It takes time to know whether the image is accurate or not.
In 4 or 8 years we may find that Barack Obama is a great candidate but I just don't believe we know enough at this point. I just don't feel I can give my vote blindly to someone. I think it takes time to know who someone really is and what they are really about.

Posted by: chersplace | March 28, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Chersplace:

"What information I have found and the things I have read show me a racist view in the teachings of Black Liberation Theology."

What information, specifically? I will research the matter. In fact, I'm going to read an actual book on the subject. As for "saying there is not enough evidence then maybe you should actually try to research the subject." I will research Black Liberation Theology much like all of the people on this bulletin board who have judged Rev. Wright, have researched Black Liberation Theology; however, even then, I doubt that I will know enough to judge Rev. Wright. At least it's a start.

Posted by: frengle | March 28, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Someone on an ABC blog wrote this, If whites held a meeting voicing some of the things Wright said it would be called a klan meeting but blacks call it the Church of Christ.

Posted by: roncraw | March 28, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

What information I have found and the things I have read show me a racist view in the teachings of Black Liberation Theology.
I will not attempt to explain it to you since it is not my belief sytem and is not something I have studied in depth and you can check it out on your own and come to your own conclusions.

If you are able to defend Wright and Obama's association with him saying there is not enough evidence then maybe you should actually try to research the subject.

I am not willing to take a chance on this man when there are so many questions not yet answered.

Posted by: chersplace | March 28, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

miller51550:

"His wife has questioned racism in this country since her senior year at Princeton.. (Read her Thesis before she graduated from there and went to HARVARD.)"

So... What's wrong with "questioning racism"? Have YOU read her thesis? Be honest... If so, please cite (in context) some of her more offensive thoughts.

Posted by: frengle | March 28, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

the thing i dont understand is- first of all,their are plenty of colored folks holding jobs in this country, and important ones at that- the jobs are their for the ones that work for this, to further their education just like the white folks,i dont see where they keep saying the whites are racist,it depends on the parents raising their children, if we keep them down and not encourage them to work for higher things in life- then they wont get the good jobs, this goes for all of the races we have in this country- it is the folks them selves that keep the races divided- Obama so called uncle-and Obama has promoted this kind of talk in his speeches, along with the hate - is he making us feel guilty? so we will feel sorry for him?not this woman

Posted by: elliottpearl | March 28, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

chersplace:

"And still no-one has answered my question of how you can justify the remarks I mentioned."

Rev. Wright has made remarks that are, absent any larger context, unjustifiable. You will get no argument out of me on that. Also, Obama has quite clearly rejected/denounced some of his statements. My point is that if you ever feel the need to judge or condemn a person, you need a far better nuanced understanding of the person than any of us have seen as it relates to Rev. Wright.

Posted by: frengle | March 28, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Chersplace:

I briefly looked up Black Liberation Theory, just now, so I do not have a very strong understanding of their theology. Maybe you could help me. How do you support your claim that it is "racially divisive"? In context, please. Also, here is a link that I found briefly describing the theory:


http://www.wfu.edu/~matthetl/perspectives/twentyseven.html

Posted by: frengle | March 28, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Chersplace:

You cannot conclude that Rev. Wright is not "loving" by simply presenting "unloving" quotes taken out of context, much like you cannot conclude that he is "racist" or a "maniac" based on the sparse amount of evidence at any of our disposals. In order to understand just who Rev. Wright is, and what he stands for, you must look at the larger picture of the man - his lifetime of actions, his thousands of hours of sermons, his private conversations. Absent that kind of large-scale, nuanced analysis of the man, which none of us has undergone, we should not draw conclusions or judge the man. Given that we do not have sufficient evidence to judge Wright, we have absolutely no basis to judge Obama for his relation to Rev. Wright.

Posted by: frengle | March 28, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

ashley.n.jones,

Are those links for real??? Are those links saying Barack is or was bi sexual? What else will we learn about Barack. I don't know if the Larry Sinclair story is true or if he wants his 15 mins of fame. I hope it's a joke.

Posted by: butterfly2 | March 28, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

First!!!

Obama wants to be PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.. Up until GOD BUSH became President.. the position was OF THE FREE WORLD. Now because of his lack of leadership, his lack of BELIEF in the Constitution of the United States.. this country is in the worst straits since the GREAT DEPRESSION.

My issue with Obama is that I DO NOT TRUST him... he appears to be a smooth talking tap dancing type of POLITICIAN.. Typical of those on the HILL that have led this country in the mess that we are in now.

He has not experience, (LEADERSHIP) he is a smooth talker... but he says nothing about what HE can OR WILL do to cause change on the Hill. If you look at his policies/POSSIBLE solution to issues... THERE IS NOTHING NEW... just something his campaign put together for him.

He will use the RACE issue to benefit himself and the fact that he is bi-racial to allege that he knows both sides of the racial issue.

His wife has questioned racism in this country since her senior year at Princeton.. (Read her Thesis before she graduated from there and went to HARVARD.)

He has LIED about too many issues here in the last month for me to have any confidence that he will DO ANYTHING to solve the United States's problems.

As far as Wright goes. His church does a great deal of good in the BLACK community in Chicago. Hussein knew that this would be an issue at some time in the future. I would think that his racial speech was prepared in ADVANCE.. by someone else in his campaign.

He lied about being present when Wright made some of his anti-American/anti-white speeches. (Tried to cover this one up.)

IF THE WRIGHT speeches had been covered by the DNC and MEDIA chances are that HUSSEIN Obama might not be in the leader position that he is currently in.

He cares nothing about the American Voters... Look at his stand on Michigan and FLA.

We are his cannon fodder to get elected... then once he is elected... who do you think he will support.. BIG BUSINESS, AND THE RICH... so that he can be re-elected for the next term.

His campaign has been outstanding... but his truthfulness and his policy making are non-existent..

BEWARE THE WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING.

IMPEACH BUSH, CHENEY AND THEIR CRONIES ON THE HILL.... NOW...

Posted by: miller51550 | March 28, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

frengle

I am not saying guilt by association. I am saying that if you do something for 20 years it becomes a part of you. This is not a church where a few remarks were made that were questionable. It is the whole concept of Black Liberation Theology, which is what this church says that it teaches. If you look up the Black Liberation Theology teachings you will see that it is a very racially divisive teaching. What we choose to do, who we choose to associate with, the types of things we like to learn, the actions that we take are all a part of who we are. Barack Obama considers this man not just his minister but his friend and mentor. A mentor is someone who teaches. I do not doubt that the Reverend has done good work in the black community. But one does not cancel the other out. Why do you think the pastor decided to retire the end of February.
And still no-one has answered my question of how you can justify the remarks I mentioned.
Forget Obama, can you honestly say that you think those remarks are acceptable in any way from the pulpit of a church.

Posted by: chersplace | March 28, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting that Hillary's pastor defends Reverend Wright completely. Will Hillary be called to repudiate HER pastor and leave his church because he agrees with a so called "Bigot"?

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/letters/17066161.html

Posted by: nadiaorton | March 28, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Chersplace:

Are you aware of the logical fallacy "Guilt by Association"? You see, by judging Obama for every outrageous quote (out of context, usually) that you can dig up attributed to someone other than Obama, you are making a fallacious argument. I've pasted below a link to a list of other logical fallacies. For fun, see if you can match the logical fallacy with the above fallacious posting. You can start with this posting by sister1011:

"Should it be of any concern that Obama donated $27,500 to a "church" that uses it donations to produce DVD's with IRReverend Wright's hate filled garbage on it. Was any of the money given by Obama part of his tax-payer fueled Senate salary? Absolutely disgusting!"

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

Posted by: frengle | March 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

loriehile

I wonder if you can explain to me the loving that is being preached in Reverend Wright's sermon where he insulted Natalee Holloway, saying "Women are being raped in Africa but some White girl gets drunk and gives it up on the beach and that's in the news for days."
He could have made the same point without insulting the young girl who was murdered.

Also how do you feel about Reverend Wright gyrating at the pulpit imitating a sexual act while insulting President Bill Clinton.

What do either of these have to do with the teachings of Christianity.

Posted by: chersplace | March 28, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm blushing... Thanks.

Posted by: frengle | March 28, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I forgot to add "frengle" into the list of people I appreciate! Sorry--because I do...

Posted by: loriehile | March 28, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

loriehile:

Very well said. I appreciate you.

Posted by: frengle | March 28, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

After reading through almost all of these posts, a few things strike me:

* I really appreciate the comments of: irishspace, unchurch, elmcgill, optimyst, and markawhan.
*I have learned to ignore anything in all caps.
* Usually anyone who describes someone else (be it Wright, Hillary, or Obama) as "hatefilled and nasty" is demonstrating these very qualities themselves. Usually the qualities one dislikes most in others mirror qualities in yourself that haven't been worked out.
* Obama did not attend Federalist meetings; he did not attend KKK meetings; he did not attend Nazi meetings. He attended a church that both practices and preaches love. If fact, it's a chuch that doesn't tolerate actions that are not loving. That is why it "damns" the deplorable actions of our government that include putting Japanese in internment camps, displacing the Native Americans, using unnecessary nukes, and so on. These actions are not loving and should not be "blessed."
*I have not seen a single example of an ACTION that either Wright or Obama have taken that is anti-American or hateful.
*I pray that the hearts of everyone on here are opened to the possibility of respecting and loving each other, instead of tearing each other down.

Posted by: loriehile | March 28, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

This is an issue that won't go away.
Newt Gingrich said on television that the Republicans will indeed run ads on this issue in the Fall.

If a guy goes to sit at meetings of the Communist party for twenty years and says that no it will not affect his character and judgment to be a Senator or president, would we believe him?

The Senator can fluff this off all he wants and it will never go away.

It speaks to his judgment. Very Poor

Rslip

Posted by: rslip | March 28, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

This is an issue that won't go away.
Newt Gingrich said on television that the Republicans will indeed run ads on this issue in the Fall.

If a guy goes to sit at meetings of the Communist party for twenty years and says that no it will not affect his character and judgment to be a Senator or president, would we believe him?

The Senator can fluff this off all he wants and it will never go away.

It speaks to his judgment. Very Poor

Rslip

Posted by: rslip | March 28, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Pegylu:

"I am living for the day when all of this Obama love will come back to haunt them..."

Living for the day, huh? That's not a very kind sentiment, nor a productive use of your time. Maybe you should rethink your priorities. Volunteer work, maybe. Do you like to garden or read?

Posted by: frengle | March 28, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Americans need to stop letting the media tell them what to think.
The media supported GW Bush, and they will ultimately support McCain. First they will try to give the Democratic nomination to Obama by working to destroy Hillary Clinton.
Then in the general election they will destroy Barack Obama and give the presidency to McCain.

Barack Obama is like a fad. By the time our country is suffering from the fact that this man's fans have destroyed the chance for a democrat to take back the White House, most of his supporters will have moved on to the newest fad.

Our country is in very big trouble.
There is only one candidate capable of actually bringing about the change we need to start fixing the problems facing us and that is Hillary Clinton.

The media does not give her any real coverage unless they are criticizing her.

I will vote for Hillary and keep hoping people wake up.
If she does not win the nomination I would rather take a risk with someone who at least I know what he believes that take a risk with Barack Obama who I think is a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Posted by: chersplace | March 28, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Robert Scheer wrote a column re Rev Pat Robinson which parallels what Rev Wright said. http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080325_scheer_3_26/).

Pat Robinson said "...God created Hurricane Katrina to punish the sinners."
Who is STUPID enough to believe that?

Anyone with any intelligence should know that anyone with any intelligence would have discarded any STUPID remarks by Rev Wright.

Posted by: oneofcolor | March 28, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Robert Scheer wrote a column re Rev Pat Robinson which parallels what Rev Wright said. http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20080325_scheer_3_26/).

Pat Robinson said "...God created Hurricane Katrina to punish the sinners."
Who is STUPID enough to believe that?

Anyone with any intelligence should know that anyone with any intelligence would have discarded any STUPID remarks by Rev Wright.

Posted by: oneofcolor | March 28, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

So...the media goes on for days about Hillary's embellishment of her Bosnia trip. They covered it every hour in every news show and their analysts hurled every possible insult Hillary's way as if she'd committed mass murder! But day after day, we watch as Obama misspeaks, or outright lies, about many things while the media...like Chris Matthews, Wolf Blitzer, and hateful Jack Cafferty... to name a few...(there are many more)just sweep it under the rug.
I am living for the day when all of this Obama love will come back to haunt them...and it will...just like it has with George Bush!

Posted by: maggi37 | March 28, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse


Wow ...

the hateful racist cockroaches have really found a place to lay there foul eggs today --

Thanks for nothing Bacon, I suppose you're 'just doing your job' ...

Most thinking, relatively healthy adults gave up on this putrid hate-filled blog awhile back.

Posted by: skyriak | March 28, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Part of the Obama snow job where he portrayed Rev. Wright's paranoid rants as coming from anger that is the baggage as the legacy of of old white racism, carried by old blacks. Well, there is current-day stuff that is alive and well, carried by the young blacks, that is a lot worse than the racism, sexism and homophobic intolerance of the older generation of blacks. It's called Hip Hop, Gangsta and Street culture. It's full of racism, paranoia, anger, violence, abuse of women, sexism and a whole lot of dysfunctional antisocial expression schemes. The social psychological disordered behavior that Rev. Wright's hate-speech-as-sermons represents and coveys to blacks and supported by Obama is is alive and well in the current-day generation in Black America. It's just in a newer more dangerous carnation.

Posted by: american1 | March 28, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse


So, McCain is familiar with / connected to hate-mongering 'religious leaders'( whom even he has denounced in the past, before he needed them politically),

Hillary is married to a serial adulterer but holds him up as someone we should all be proud of (charming and brilliant though he may certainly be)...

Oh, but they are 'white people', right, so it's ok then...

You people accusing Obama are nauseating hypocrits. You are for the most part clueless closet-racists and your sanctimonious pronouncements about morality and 'patriotism' don't fool me for one second. I can smell BS a mile away and yours' really stinks.

Posted by: skyriak | March 28, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama lectures us about "words matter". He went after Don Imus. He said he would never go on Imus again and his show should be canceled. Yet, Obama stayed in a racist church for 20 years. He allowed this bigot to marry him, to baptize his daughter, he went to this man to get elected as a state legislaturea and US Senate. He gave this maniac $22,500 to support his lavish lifestyle and hatefilled agenda. Obama didn't just sit in church, he funded it.

Words matter, and Obama thinks words against whites, jews, Italians, US citizens and US soldiers don't matter. They matter to me.

Posted by: Cornell1984 | March 28, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I don't care what Obama heard Rev. Wright say or when he heard it. I really don't care about what Rev. Wright said. I am going to vote for Obama any way it goes. The only thing I care about in this entire election process is this: is White America committed to the nation's principle sat down in the nation's Creed, the Declaration of Independence, 1776? Will White America love us Black Americans half as much as we have loved them for four hundred unparalleled oppressive years in human history?

The flap about Rev. Wright is nothing but cheap shot at Obama with the intent of derailing his campaign. Well, duh! It too damn late for that. Obama, all things considered, has already won the nomination, even if he should pull down his pants and moon the nation. Try to take that away and I won't vote at all. I will disconnect however and go back to living my life as usual, not hoping or expecting anything different than the last four hundred years.

Posted by: DoctorMaia | March 28, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Please read Obama's book, where he specifically mentions Wright's diatribe about 9/11, the US government, Shanksville, the Pentagon, etc. Obama didn't hear hate, he heard votes for state legislature and US senate. This is the problem. Obama has no idea how divisive comments like this are. Obama equates his elderly grandmother's fear of being swarmed by aggressive panhandlers on a city bus with racism. He has truly lost his way, and his guilt towards his success due to white grandparents has turned him into a radical. Where are pinocchios for Obama's 100 year in Iraq lie? About Hillary praising NAFTA? Obama has gotten away with all his lies, and the WaPo praises a speech that was so evident in its attempt to distract.

Posted by: Cornell1984 | March 28, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Huck Finn:

I have no doubt that this issue has staying power, and will continue to haunt Obama to November Also, I have no doubt that there are people that find this relevant. However, I contend that this SHOULD not be relevant. "Guilt by association" is an ugly can of worms that muddies our political waters and distracts people from concentrating on issues of policy that DO matter.

Posted by: frengle | March 28, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

It is interesting to note, as soon the public became aware of the Obama/Wright connection, following a phone call to Mr. Wright from Mr. Obama, Mr. Wright was instantly silenced and retired. Is there something more we are not supposed to hear?

But regardless what Mr. Obama and his staff replied, and that Mr. Wright has been silenced, for now, Mr. Obama cannot retract his clear public proclamation that Mr. Wright has been Mr. Obama's mentor and spiritual teacher for over 20 YEARS. And that up to recent negative press, Mr. Wright was on Mr. Obama's Spiritual Advisor Committee campaign team. Mr. Obama cannot make excuses regarding this or deny it.

And consider the Michelle Obama's separatist-racist connection to Farrakhan and Chicago's Trinity United Church trumpeting Barack Obama AKA Barack Hussein Obama as the second coming of the messiah. And Michelle Obama's statement she "has never been proud to be an AMERICAN in her adult life".

And for those who don't know that Obama campaign was originally funded by the Food for Oil Program in Iraq, I suggest you read the following article:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/obamas_iraqi_oil_for_food_conn.html

Posted by: olandug | March 28, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Should it be of any concern that Obama donated $27,500 to a "church" that uses it donations to produce DVD's with IRReverend Wright's hate filled garbage on it. Was any of the money given by Obama part of his tax-payer fueled Senate salary? Absolutely disgusting!

Posted by: sister1011 | March 28, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama wasn't aware of the angry politics of his pastor.

Black ministers and intellectuals say in recent interviews that this sort of speech is common in black churches, white people are just unfamilar.

How is it possible that Obama is unaware?

Posted by: HuckFinn | March 28, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

It is still being discussed because it is important. It goes to the question of who this man is.
We are all the culmination of our life experiences. The things we experience and the choices we make define who we are. This man spent almost 1/2 of his life attending a church where racism was the norm. A church that interpreted the Bible in a way to condone the racism and anti-american sentiments that the pastor preached.
No-one could go to this church for 20 years and not know what was being said on the pulpit. This is not a soft spoken minister who would put you to sleep. He is someone who yells his sermon to the sounds of his congregation yelling and clapping.
He is also not just Obama's minister, he is his friend and mentor.
You would not go to a restaurant for 20 years if you hated the food that they served. You would not spend 20 years listening to music that you hated. We choose to associate with people we share common ground with.
Today I watched Obama lie on the View saying he wouldn't have been a part of the church if the his Pastor hadn't retired.
This Pastor just retired this year at the end of February 2008
I am amazed that people just listen to him lie and never question it.
If you do something for 20 years, it becomes a part of who you are.
I believe that Barack Obama shares the views of Reverend Wright and that is dangerous for our country.
I am praying that the media starts to cover some of the other questions that have not been answered about Obama before the rest of the primaries.
He is winning primaries based on an image that is nothing like the man that he is.

Posted by: chersplace | March 28, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

** frengle
** Why are you still discussing this? What business is it of ours what ideas he was
** exposed to while privately worshipping in his church?

A lot of people think the politics of his church are relevant, especially because they are evidently extreme.

You have to expect that Jeremiah Wright will be part of the debate through the fall.

Posted by: HuckFinn | March 28, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"JAXAS"'s comments are a sample of arrogance and lack of decency majority of Mr, Obama's supporters show towards anyone who disagree with them all across the media. The choice of words belong in a "gang warfare" and indicative of things to come.

Thanks.

Posted by: nnajmi1 | March 28, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

We are still discussing this because this IS a matter of judgment!

I remember one time my pastor said something during his sermon about our being 'Indian givers'. I was so repulsed by the statement that I got up in the middle of his sermon, stepped into the middle isle, faced him for a second, turned around and never went back.

No one has the right to malign any one group from the pulpit. NO ONE!

Senator Obama's lapse of judgment is costing him now. It does not take anyone 20 years to react to subversive statements.

It isn't what was heard; it is what Obama failed to do, knowing the sentiments of his 'spiritual leader'.

TWENTY YEARS!!!!

Olga

Posted by: olgaolivia | March 28, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Obama has lied since day one. He and his family sat in that church for 20 years, and these few clips aren't the only hateful , racists sermons by Wright. He hated Jews, Italians, americans, and Obama's Typical White women. Obama lied about his dealings with Tony R as well.

Obama's church:
http://biz.yahoo.com/ibd/080115/issues.html?.v=1

Posted by: ladya2004 | March 28, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

If this had been John McCain or Hillary Clinton's church and they had been a member and supported this church for 20 years they would have been raked over the coals. I am sure that he attended services when this sort of inflammatory sermon was being preached from the pulput. Why else would he have changed his statement for his speech. Also just yesterday it was revealed that the church bulletin in his church reprinted racist articles with comments about Jews and Italians. Also articles stating the US was run by White Supremists. Makes you wonder if you dig a litle more in the press you might find some racists slurs directed toward Hispanic and Asian Americans. I wonder how Richardson would feel about his endorsement if something of this nature surfaced. I have always been raised to be kind and considerate to all people and have tried to achieve that goal at all times but this sort of hatred being preached to young people is just detestable. You are only setting the stage for a new generation of mistrust and hate of other races and casting blame on them for every injustice in society. Many people suffer poverty, illness and social injustice. These problems are color blind. They are not segregated to black society. These sermons do not open doors to understanding they slam them shut. Obama speaks of 3 sermons a week for 30 years and that these selected sections of his sermons is taken out of context. How about a simple comment by Hillary Clinton regarding the help that Dr King received from LBJ in getting civil rights legislation passed and helping Dr King by reaching out the hand of unity to help him achieve the dream. Black talk radio spoke of this as diminishing Dr King's role but that is a complete distortion of her statement. Obama used this to negate a record of over 30 years of working with black leaders by Hillary and Bill Clinton and cast her in the role of villian to further his campaign. Again if this was the church of any other candidate would one speech have washed away the years of hate filled speaches and their exposure to them for 20 years. I truly doubt it. So it should not be brushed aside for Obama either. And remember pollsters do not poll everyone so there may be more people disturbed by his revelation than are reflected in those polls. The polls have been wrong more than once in this campaign.

Posted by: flcraker | March 28, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Shut up accountability-in-gov. You don't what you're f'n taliking about. It is easy to sit out there on a keyboard and rake on Barak Obama. But what about you? Will you--right here on this board--condemn Johmn McCain for cozying up to Bob Jones University--a racist institution? Will you--right here and now--condemn John McCain for accepting the endorsement of Pat Robertson who has made the idential anti-American, chickens-coming-home-to-roost commentary as Reverend Wright?

You're nothing but a coward--just like that fat, swilly, reeking excrement peddler who started all of this, Rush fatass Limbaugh.

Posted by: jaxas | March 28, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

The key point is that Obama lies and obfuscates easily and constantly and the media has ignored it while at the same time crucifying Clinton for any statement that is not signed by a notary. Why isn't the question raised about his trustworthiness when he continues to mislead people to get votes? How does this make him a new kind of policitician? This is why this issue is still out there--he keeps it out there and his story changes with every audience. This is why he can't win the majority of delegates and will depend on superdelegates to win.

Posted by: dan | March 28, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Following is the email that is being sent by Barack Hussein Obama campaign to Muslims across California and beyond. It is a prime example of his hypocricy to get whatever he can from whereevr he can.

Letter from Barack Obama on His Muslim Heritage

There has been a lot made in the recent weeks about the Muslim history of my family. Some of the things that have been said are true, others are false, so I am writing this letter to clear up the misunderstandings on this issue.

Yes, it is true that I have a name that is common amongst Kenyan Muslims where my father came from and that my middle name is Hussein. Barack is a name which means "blessing" and Hussein is a masculine form of the word beauty. Since there is nothing inherently wrong with the concept of blessings from God and the beauty He creates I fail to see the problem with these names. Some will say wouldn't it be a problem to have a president with a name similar to the deposed and executed former dictator of Iraq? My answer to this is simply no; rather it is the strength and beauty of America that the son of an African man with a "funny sounding" name, born under British Colonial Rule, can now be a serious candidate for the presidency of the United States.

My father was a Muslim and although I did not know him well the religion of my father and his family was always something I had an interest in. This interest became more intense when my mother married an Indonesian Muslim man and as a small child I lived in Indonesia and attended school alongside Muslim pupils. I saw their parents dutifully observing the daily prayers, the mothers covered in the Muslim hijab, the atmosphere of the school change during Ramadan, and the festiveness of the Eid celebrations.

The man my mother was married to was not particularly religious; but he would attend the mosque on occasion, and had copies of the Quran in different languages in the home, and books of the sayings and life of the Prophet Muhammad. From time to time he would quote Islamic phrases such as "no one truly believes until he wants for his brother what he wants for himself", "oppression is worse than slaughter", and "all humans are equal the only difference comes from our deeds".

Growing up in Hawaii with my mother and her grandparents Islam largely escaped my mind. My mother installed in me the values of humanism and I did not grow-up in a home were religion was taught.

It was later while I attended college at Columbia University and Harvard Law that I became reacquainted with Muslims as both schools had large Muslims student populations. Some of them were my friends and many came from countries that our nation now has hostile relations with. The background I had from my early childhood in Indonesia helped me get to know them and learn from them and to me Muslims are not to be looked upon as something strange. In my experiences up until college a Muslim was no less exotic to me than a Mormon, a Jew, or a Jehovah's Witness.

After college I settled in my adopted hometown of Chicago and lived on the South Side and worked as a community organizer. Chicago has one of the largest Muslim populations in America (estimated to be around 300,000) and Muslims make-up some of the most productive citizens in the area. I met countless numbers of Muslims in my job as an organizer and later on in my early political career. I ate in their homes, played with their kids, and looked at them as friends and peers and sought their advice.

Therefore, when the tragic terrorist attacks of 9-11 occurred I was deeply saddened with the rest of America , and I wanted justice for the victims of this horrific attack, but I did not blame all Muslims or the religion of Islam. From my experience I knew the good character of most Muslims and the value that they bring to America. Many, who did not personally know Muslims, indicted the entire religion for the bad actions of a few; my experience taught me that this was something foolish and unwise.

Later I had the chance to visit the homeland of my father and meet Muslim relatives of my including my grandmother. I found that these were people who wanted the same things out of life as people right here in America and worked hard, strive to make a better way for their children, and prayed to God to grant them success.

This is what I will bring to the office of the Presidency of the United States. I will deal with Muslims from a position of familiarity and respect and at this time in the history of our nation that is something sorely needed.

Posted by: nnajmi1 | March 28, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse


Why are so many thinking adults angry with the Clintons, their campaign for a third term, and angry also with the New York Times?

Because:

The Clintons and their campaign for a third term AND the New York Times say most of what they say based on the idea that their listeners / readers are STUPID.

In marked contrast, Obama and his campaign (almost all the time) speadks to people as if they are thinking, reasoning adults .

Posted by: skyriak | March 28, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

JakeD and Ralphinphnx
Your obsession with Obama is no different from the Obama cultists'. You are just as completely consumed by the so-called Obama-mania as those who faint during his rallies (revival meetings?). Your obsession is just happens to be on the negative side of the same passion. This pathetic attitude of yours would not make McCain's (my candidate's) position any stronger. McCain himself said Obama should not be held responsible for what his pastor said. Now, we should relentlessly highlight how McCain's presidency will strengthen this country's position, both in Iraq, the economy, and immigration. But if you're Hillary supporters, my condolences to you. You're stuck with a lier.

Posted by: bubu2 | March 28, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't vote for Limbaugh for president either.

Posted by: edbyronadams | March 28, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

alesterp wrote:
"I'm tired of this discussion. Let's move on. What is the purpose of going over this over and over again? Why can't you let this drop. What's your point of continuing this? Stop it! Let's move one to real issues."

I suggest you save this comment so you can post it over and over again if your guy gets the nomination. You're going to need it.

Posted by: thinkwithyourbrain | March 28, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

So, Obama didn't hear anything that offensive in 20 years. The clips we have seen are outliers that the Reverend himself chose to save and market. Still, Obama will not denounce the man, but he would have left the church if he hadn't retired.

And now he has shares of a bridge to sell and people are buying.

Posted by: edbyronadams | March 28, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I am skeptical of Barack Obama's critics on this Reverend Wright business. Is it just me or have not these same critics circled the wagons when it has been right wing personalities who have gotten themselves in trouble for engaging in hate speech? When Rush Limbaugh peddles closet racist opinion with his repetition of Paul Shanklin's parody "Barack, the Magic Negro" and gets heat for it, he and his critics hide behind free speech. Ditto, Don Imus and his "...nappy-headed Hos" comment which Limbaugh says his being let fo by MSNBC for was an abridgment of his right to free speech. When extremist religious leaders like Pat Robertson voice precisely the same sentiments as Reverend Wright, the right wing circles the wagons and invokes religious freedom arguments.

This is whay I think Obama's critics are simple using one hate peddler to sanctify their own racial bigotry. They simply cannot stomach the idea of anyone ihabiting the Oval Office than some white, Christian, right wing male, preferably from the south or west, and of course so far to the right that it would make Newt Gingrich seem liberal.

Posted by: jaxas | March 28, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

We are stilll waiting for all of Obama's endorsers to stand up and speak out on Obama's sitting 20 years in a black liberation theology environment, with an Afrocentric mission, to comment on Senator Obama's lack of backbone to stand up for America?????

If these endorsers do NOT also speak up, they are showing their lack of backbone also......this is AMERICA you fools....SPEAK UP!

Posted by: accountability_in_gov | March 28, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama talked about his grandmother's comments that made him cringe but he accepts Jesse Jackson who said and I quote; "We must face the No. 1 critical issue of our day. It is youth crime in general and black-on-black crime in particular.' Then Jackson told the audience, 'There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved . . . After all we have been through,' he said. 'Just to think we can't walk down our own streets, how humiliating."
I just can't understand or vote for someone like him, sorry.

Regards.

Posted by: nnajmi1 | March 28, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

What is so unclear to you about what Abama said about the Rev. Wright? I understood him to say he denounce some of his words, but would not denounce the man. If you know the history of our country, you will know that many of our elected officials were associated with the KKK, if they were not members themselves. We do have evidence that Thomas Jefferson, one of our founding fathers, was a slaveowner, but no one denounces him. Rev. wright has no power over any Americans. His words cannot harm any of us, so why do you keep harping on Rev. Wright's political views? Let it go! I have sat in a church, and agreed very little with what the minister said. Have not you and others who would criticize Obama done the same thing?

Posted by: agnesswanjo | March 28, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Look its not rocket science...He probably heard some wacko political comments over the 20 years, but nothing like the ones that have surfaced. When he heard about those recently surfaced comments (early 2007) he thought about leaving and decided against it because Rev. Wright was retiring. thats it...thats the whole controversy. His Pastor believes some stupid political myths and Obama dosen't. He didn't leave because it never got that offensive, he just said stupid stuff from time to time. When it got offensive, Obama Wasnt in church. And when he heard about it he stayed for a few months till he retired out of respect of a 20 year relationship and because the man brought him to christ. Is this really that big of a deal. Maybe you would have handled it different. but i can't see how this points to him agreeing with everything the crazy pastor had to say.

Posted by: ganderson | March 28, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Look its not rocket science...He probably heard some wacko political comments over the 20 years, but nothing like the ones that have surfaced. When he heard about those recently surfaced comments (early 2007) he thought about leaving and decided against it because Rev. Wright was retiring. thats it...thats the whole controversy. His Pastor believes some stupid political myths and Obama dosen't. He didn't leave because it never got that offensive, he just said stupid stuff from time to time. When it got offensive, Obama Wasnt in church. And when he heard about it he stayed for a few months till he retired out of respect of a 20 year relationship and because the man brought him to christ. Is this really that big of a deal. Maybe you would have handled it different. but i can't see how this points to him agreeing with everything the crazy pastor had to say.

Posted by: ganderson | March 28, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

The main stream media's coverage of the Obama candidacy is no different than its inept coverage of the run-up to the Iraq war. For the sake of ratings, talking heads discussion points, and self-glorified, embedded journalists on the war beat, the media is failing miserably in its role of responsible journalism. On the most part, the pressing questions are never asked, nor the extensive legwork ever done to uncover the facts. The media is focused on Obama, defers continually to his version of events, and will ultimately elevate him to defeat at the hands of John McCain.

Posted by: mpwynn | March 28, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

What is the big deal with the Rev wright and why are we not putting Hillary in the mix because Rev. Wright was good enough for her husband to invite to the white house after he gotten in trouble with the aide. The Rev. serve this country in the military and is like by over 8,000 members who do not go out after a sermon and kill white folks. All you racist give it up because we know who you are when you open your mouth.

Posted by: phil.marlow | March 28, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

So,when will the WAPO Apologists for Con Man and Fraud Barack Hussein Obama and all
the Obama Cultist Whackos put down their
Toxic Obama Kool Aid long enough to sober
up and accept that Barack Hussein Obama and
Michelle Obama keep going to that hateful
Anti-American Black Racist Pastor Wright's
Church BECAUSE they,the Obamas like Wright
are racist and hate America theirselves?
Barack Hussein Obama is a fraud,a phony,
a lying loser,accept the reality and donot
waste your vote on Barack Obama,unless you
want Obama's hateful wife Michelle Obama
answering the White House telephone at 3am
and running to wake up Rev Wright who is
sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom to come tell Barack Hussein Obama what to do.

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | March 28, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

JakeD:
What's up with the Obama obsession? I am a McCainite and I think he has the right idea on Iraq and immigration. Simply highlighting Obama's name (even in a negative light) would let him escape from giving concrete answers on the war and other issues. McCain has the right ideas, and if you are a McCain supporter, you should join those who want to talk about McCain and his non-pandering, courageous campaign.
cornflex

Posted by: bubu2 | March 28, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Another new fact - Obama was going to leave if Wright had not retired.

Well, after 21 years Wright finally got the message and retired.

Wow, Obama was really playing hardball with the racist pastor Wright. I can't wait for the video to come out showing Obama and family listening to "controversial" sermons from pastor Wright.

McCain will not be concerned with the black vote - 527 groups will have a field day with Obama.

Posted by: FredCDobbs | March 28, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

It's alright. Obama tells the View that he would have quit the church if Wright had not retired. It's sorta like he would have voted against the war if he had been in the Senate. Meanwhile tell me what hard decision he has actually made. All the dude has is words, no deeds.

Meanwhile the sub queens of the View can ooh and aah over the drone designated by the real queen bee, Oprah.

Posted by: edbyronadams | March 28, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Quote:
"Following a service at the church, Senator Obama, is said to have made a last minute decision not to have his Pastor, spiritual mentor and roll model, speak at his announcement for President of the United States. These reports are dubious in light of what his Pastor said in a PBS interview "Religion & Ethics News Weekly" Pastor Wright warned Senator Obama, that their association could be a problem for Obama.
Wright also told the New York Times, "When his enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli, with Nation of Islam Leader Louis Farrakhan, to visit Libyan leader Moammer al-Gaddafi, a lot of his support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell."

Posted by: cosi1 | March 28, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

You folks can banter and call each other names all you wish. The fact is, you need to decide whom you will note for in the General Election... Obama or McCain. It's just that simple.

Posted by: tgolamb | March 28, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

SOMEONE JUST SENT TIS TO ME:

Black Liberation Is Marxist Liberation

Black Liberation Is Marxist Liberation
By Anthony B. Bradley

One of the pillars of Obama's home church, Trinity United Church of Christ, is "economic parity." On the website, Trinity claims that God is not pleased with "America's economic mal-distribution." Among all of controversial comments by Jeremiah Wright the idea of massive wealth redistribution is the most alarming. The code language "economic parity" and references to "mal-distribution" is nothing more than channeling the twisted economic views of Karl Marx. Black liberation theologians have explicitly stated a preference for Marxism as an ethical framework for the black church because Marxist thought is predicated on a system of oppressor class (whites) versus victim class (blacks).

Black Liberation theologians James Cone and Cornel West have worked diligently to embed Marxist thought into the black church since the 1970s. For Cone, Marxism best addressed remedies to the condition of Blacks as victims of White oppression. In For My People, Cone explains that "the Christian faith does not possess in its nature the means for analyzing the structure of capitalism. Marxism as a tool of social analysis can disclose the gap between appearance and reality, and thereby help Christians to see how things really are."

In God of the Oppressed, Cone said that Marx's chief contribution is "his disclosure of the ideological character of bourgeois thought, indicating the connections between the 'ruling material force of society' and the 'ruling intellectual' force." Marx's thought is useful and attractive to Cone because it allows Black theologians to critique racism in America on the basis of power and revolution.

For Cone, integrating Marx into Black theology helps theologians see just how much social perceptions determine theological questions and conclusions. Moreover, these questions and answers are "largely a reflection of the material condition of a given society."

In 1979, Cornel West offered a critical integration of Marxism and Black theology in his essay, "Black Theology and Marxist Thought" because of the shared human experience of oppressed peoples as victims. West sees a strong correlation between Black theology and Marxist thought because "both focus on the plight of the exploited, oppressed and degraded peoples of the world, their relative powerlessness and possible empowerment." This common focus prompts West to call for "a serious dialogue between Black theologians and Marxist thinkers"--a dialogue that centers on the possibility of "mutually arrived-at political action."

In his book Prophesy Deliverance, West believes that by working together, Marxists and Black theologians can spearhead much-needed social change for those who are victims of oppression. He appreciates Marxism for its "notions of class struggle, social contradictions, historical specificity, and dialectical developments in history" that explain the role of power and wealth in bourgeois capitalist societies. A common perspective among Marxist thinkers is that bourgeois capitalism creates and perpetuates ruling-class domination--which, for Black theologians in America, means the domination and victimization of Blacks by Whites. American has been over run by "White racism within mainstream establishment churches and religious agencies," writes West.

Perhaps it is the Marxism imbedded in Obama's attending Trinity Church that should raise red flags. "Economic parity" and "distribution" language implies things like government-coerced wealth redistribution, perpetual minimum wage increases, government subsidized health care for all, and the like. One of the priorities listed on Obama's campaign website reads, "Obama will protect tax cuts for poor and middle class families, but he will reverse most of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest taxpayers."

Black Liberation Theology, originally intended to help the black community, may have actually hurt many blacks by promoting racial tension, victimology, and Marxism which ultimately leads to more oppression. As the failed "War on Poverty" has exposed, the best way to keep the blacks perpetually enslaved to government as "daddy" is to preach victimology, Marxism, and seduce blacks into thinking that upward mobility is someone else's responsibility in a free society.

Anthony B. Bradley is a research fellow at the Acton Institute, and assistant professor of theology at Covenant Theological Seminary in St. Louis. His PhD dissertation is titled, "Victimology in Black Liberation Theology."

Posted by: KEVIN25 | March 28, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

What if Hillary had attended KKK Meetings for 20 years and said now she did not believe what they advocate?? Would anyone believe her?

Michelle Obama does not like America, I am curious to know who paid for her very expensive education at the prestigious University?

Posted by: cosi1 | March 28, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

What a surprising revelation, straight forward answers not coming from Obama. Can someone please point out when and where Obama provided a straight forward answer to any question, ever.

Even yesterday's speech on the economy was full of rhetoric and cute words, no specific proposals except more regulation.

Being a state senator, a community organizer and being US Senator for few months is not enough qualification for the highest office in the land.

I don't want a bunch of cabinet members making final decisions for the President who doesn't have sufficient knowledge. We had that for the last eight years which we are just beginning to pay for. Don't want another President with equal ignorance of economy, foreign policy, taxation, budget and domestic policy matters. Does it take years to understand these subjects, try it and find out.

Yes, it is easy to sit spew ignorance on discussion boards and blogosphere, it is fun, it is easy and gives one self a sense of real knowledge. Other than that, it pretty much worthless words just like folks who are masquerading as journalist, experts, pundits, partisans and crazies.

Take a deep breadth, read and think. Ooops, we don't teach that in our schools, do we?

Posted by: pramanathan | March 28, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Once again, as it did a week ago,

more coverage of Jackass Moron Wright is drawing out the closet-racists like the cockroaches they are.

In a way I'm glad, this way all out these hateful, angry, weak-minded closet racists will get it out of their hateful systems and the rest of us can leave them behind and move on into the future with President Barack Obama.

Posted by: skyriak | March 28, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

The American's people have taken the cowardly way out. Instead of facing or holding Rev. Jeremiah Wright accountable for his on words, they have turned on an innocent man, Sen. Obama. God help Sen. Obama if the Rev. Wright commits a murder in this country, he probably will be blame for that murder too. I never thought I would live to see the United States of America blame a man for words that were spoken from someone else mouth. I am three words away of joining the Rev. Wright feeling about this country.

When Rev. Wright spoke those words, "God Damn America", I do not think he meant it in a derogatory way against this country. With all the corruptions, evilness, injustices, prejudice, racism and killing, he meant all these things are abomination in the eyesight of God, and if this country does not change its ways, God will Dam-nation this country. If there were true worshiper out there, they would have known that.

When I see the America Flag flying in this country, it gives me such great pride to be apart of this country. Since this country has shown its true colors, I am seriously thinking about removing the America Flag from flying in my yard.

Posted by: elmcgill | March 28, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

THE "BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY" OF REV. WRIGHT AND THE TRINITY UCC IS THE THEOLOGY EMBRACED BY BARACK OBAMA, WHO HAS REFUSED TO REPUDIATE WRIGHT OR THE THEOLOGY OF WRIGHT. AGAIN, HERE ARE SOME OF JAMES CONE'S TEACHINGS:

"If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy." (James Cone, quoted in William R Jones, 'Divine Racism," in African-American Religious Thought: An Anthology, ed. Cornel West, Eddie Glaube, 2003).

James Cone, whom Rev Wright highly admires, goes on further: "Whiteness, as revealed in the history of America, is the expression of what is wrong with man. It is a symbol of man's depravity. God cannot be white even though white churches have portrayed him as white . . . When we can see a people who are controlled by an ideology of whiteness, then we know what reconciliation must mean. The coming of Christ means a denial of what we thought we were. It means destroying the white devil in us. Reconciliation to God means that white people are prepared to deny themselves (whiteness), take up the cross (blackness) and follow Christ (black ghetto)." (James Cone: Black Theology and Black Power, 1997).

IT IS APPARENT THAT THE PRESS HAS NOT DONE ITS JOB IN EXPLORING BARACK OBAMA'S PROFESSED "BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY" AND HIS POLITICS. WHY? OBAMA HAS REPEATEDLY STRESSED HIS "CHRISTIANITY" AND HIS SPIRITUAL CONNECTION WITH WRIGHT AND HIS CHURCH, BUT THE PRESS HAS NOT DELVED INTO THE "BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY" PRACTICED BY OBAMA AND HIS WIFE MICHELLE FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS. HOW DOES OBAMA RECONCILE THE RACIST AND DIVISIVE HATRED ESPOUSED BY JAMES CONE AND PRACTICED BY JEREMIAH WRIGHT WITH OBAMA'S PUBLICLY PROFESSED VISION OF UNITY. IF OBAMA TRULY BELIEVES IN UNITING AMERICA WHY HAS HE NOT LEFT THE TRINITY UCC FOR ANOTHER CHRISTIAN CHURCH THAT PROMOTES UNITY, SUCH AS ROMAN CATHOLICISM, SINCE HE WAS EDUCATED IN CATHOLIC SCHOOLS IN JAKARTA AND HONOLULU. IS IT BECAUSE "OBAMA'S CHRISTIANITY " DOES NOT ACCEPT MORE INCLUSIVE CHRISTIAN SECTS THAT PROMOTE NON-AFRO-CENTRIC THEOLOGY.

OBAMA CLEVERLY TURNED AN ISSUE ABOUT HIS RELIGIOUS ASSOCIATIONS AND THEOLOGY INTO A DEBATE ON RACE. MOREOVER, THE PRESS WAS APPARENTLY SO BEGUILED BY OBAMA'S MARCH 18 SPEECH THAT NO MEMBER OF THE PRESS WOULD DELVE INTO THE INCONSISTENCIES PRESENTED BY OBAMA THE UNITY CANDIDATE AND OBAMA THE CONGREGANT OF AN AFRO-CENTRIC CHURCH. THAT THEOLOGICALLY IS UNDENIABLY DIVISIVE AND RACIST. WHY WOULD A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE EMBRACE SUCH A PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY?

HOW CAN A PROFESSED "CHRISTIAN" WHO IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT ON A PROMISE OF UNITY PROCLAIMING, "THERE ARE NO RED STATES OR BLUE STATES, THERE IS ONLY THE UNITED STATES" BE ANYTHING BUT A SLICK IMPOSTOR IF HE HAS EMBRACED THE IDEOLOGY AND THEOLOGY OF JAMES CONE FOR ALMOST 20 YEARS? ACCORDING TO JAMES CONE AND REV. WRIGHT, "Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy." (James Cone, quoted in William R Jones, 'Divine Racism," in African-American Religious Thought: An Anthology, ed. Cornel West, Eddie Glaube, 2003).

Posted by: KEVIN25 | March 28, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Obama purposefully picked the hatefilled and nasty Rev. Wright to move his career ahead in the African-American community.

It would serve Obama justly if that political move cost him votes with the Caucasion Community.

Yes, We Can Hold Obama accountable for the choices he made.
We are the one's who won't be fooled by Rhetoric!

Posted by: newagent99 | March 28, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Obama purposefully picked the hatefilled and nasty Rev. Wright to move his career ahead in the African-American community.

It would serve Obama justly if that political move cost him votes with the Caucasion Community.

Yes, We Can Hold Obama accountable for the choices he made.
We are the one's who won't be fooled by Rhetoric!

Posted by: newagent99 | March 28, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for bringing this vitally important issue up yet again. Now, can you please write about/investigate the candidates positions and proposed solutions to health care, education, traffic, jobs, the economy, the war????

Posted by: DROSE1 | March 28, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

I'm tired of this discussion. Let's move on. What is the purpose of going over this over and over again? Why can't you let this drop. What's your point of continuing this? Stop it! Let's move one to real issues.

Posted by: alesterp | March 28, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

It is consistantly amazing to me how the Obama supporters will excuse anything he does or says and viciously attack Hillary Clinton.

As Democrats we need to be prepared to support whichever candidate wins the nomination.

But we also need to know about them before we decide to nominate someone. In the case of Barack Obama, because of the fascination with him by so many, including for many months a totally fawning press corp we are only now getting the information we need to make a rational decision on whether he can win the Presidency as the Democratic candidate.

Rev. Wright should have been an issue which Obama dealt with long ago. He clearly knew there was a problem when he cancelled his appearance at his announcement.

I for one don't think that Barack Obama shares the very strong views of his pastor. But I do know that after viewing some of the tapes and reading some of the writings of the pastor that his views would sound quite radical to many. One of the more radical statements being that AIDS was perpetrated by the US govenment to irradicate African Americans.

Also his damning America and his tirades on Hillary and Bill Clinton, his other what can only be called vile statements on a number of issues, had to have caused Barack Obama to think twice about staying in that church. Even if only to know that he would be associated with the Pastor. For a political person to have such poor judgement about what would cause concern among many Americans does call into question what he was thinking during the time he listened to these sermons and when he decided to run for President.

It also causes a little more concern regarding his wife's comment about having never been proud of America. Does Michelle Obama agree with Pastor Wright? Is it Michelle Obama who wants her children to be brought up in a church that has a pastor that just appears to be angry. I understand the feelings generated by years of discrimination and hate. But isn't Barack Obama running as the candidate that wants to move beyond that? How can we square those two things?

I think that we are still a racist nation in many ways. We are also a sexist and homophobic nation. Non of these things will change before the November election.

If Democrats want to win this election we will have to take all those things into consideration.

Right now it looks like Hillary Clinton will be the candidate that can win. I have heard all the discussion about her negatives and how people hate her. And the national polls that show Obama is tied with her- and currently they are both tied with McCain. But we must remember- Hillary can win with her negatives- she has already in NY. We have no idea how high Obama's negatives will go and we also need to take into consideration the "Bradley Effect" in polling. Many people have lied before about being willing to vote for an African American and then when it comes to the vote they don't.

Women make up 54% of the electorate. They are the majority in many states and Hillary even if she can only increase the women's vote that Kerry got in 2004 by a couple of percentage pts. it will make a difference. The African Anerican vote is only about 9% of the electorate and not the majority in any state. So though Obama won handily in Mississippi and may win in NC in the Democratic primary, I don't think anyone rationally thinks he can win those states in the general election. In the states that Democrats need to win, the voters we need to swing are the Reagan Democrats. The white males who are over 50 and make less than $50,000. Barack Obama doesn't seem to be able to get their votes and Hillary has shown in Ohio and will again in PA that she can.

The other constituency that will very likely make the difference are Hispanics. Hillary has shown that she can win those votes. Obama hasn't. It may be because Hispanics won't vote for an African American for President. Do I think that is fair or right, of course not. But we are now looking at reality. We need to make sure the Republicans take less than the 40% of the Hispanic vote that Bush got and I don't think Obama can do that, Bill Richarson not withstanding. Richardson couldn't even get the Hispanic vote himself.

So Reverend Wright will loom large in the general election. His anti-Israel statements, his anti-America statements, his own form of racist statments. His anti-White statments. Barack Obama will have to explain over and over why he not only didn't leave the church but why last year it was the recipient of his biggest charity donation.

This will not go away and Democrats need to think long and hard about whether they can nominate a candidate with this baggage and win. At least with Clinton we already know the baggage- with Obama we don't know all of it yet.

So to all the Obama supporters who claim this is a media obsession, take a trip to middle PA or to much of Ohio, to much of Florida, and to large parts of New Jersey and see whose obsession and concern the Rev. Wright is.

The Republicans have their commercials in the bag already. Obama has given them ready made one liners.

If he can survive the next few months and become the nominee I will support him whole heartedly. But don't tell Hillary Clinton to drop out of a race that is far from over. Where neither candidate can get the needed pledged delegates and where neither candidate has made enough of an impression on even Democratic voters to be the clear choice.

I want a Democratic candidate who can win. I know that Clinton can win Arkansas and with Strickland on the ticket has a chance to win Ohio. What are the states Obama can add to the Blue list that Kerry won? I don't see them yet. And national polling showing him even with McCain is silly. It doesn't matter if he gets a 100,000 more votes in NY - it matters what states he can win. And the same is true for Clinton. I think they can each keep Kerry's states, Clinton having the easier time of keeping PA and NJ. What can Obama do is the question Democrats need to answer.

The candidate can't be a feel good candidate for either women or African Americans, becasue in the long run we need a Democrat to appoint the next Supreme Court justice and we need to keep John McCain and Joe Lieberman, his trusty Sancho Panza, out of the White House.

Posted by: peterdc | March 28, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Enough with the "guilt by association" feeding frenzy, already. Wright isn't perfect, by any means; he's also not running for anything. Obama has responded. Now let's look into Hillary's religion, and McCain's.

Posted by: thrh | March 28, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

And I suppose we should reject Hillary because her husband is a serial cheater and philanderer?

Why not? She stays with him doesn't she?

Those who suspect Obama because Bonehead Jackass Wright is an idiot and makes absurd remarks from time to time are hypocritical cowards.


Posted by: skyriak | March 28, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

This is getting nonsensical. Does Obama strike you as some kind of America-hater? If yes -- say so -- and let's see you prove it. If no -- are you this short of stuff to write about? What exactly is your goal? Your motivation seems obvious -- fill space with sensationalist puff. Time to do some WORK, wouldn't you say?

Posted by: dennisbrennan | March 28, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

This is getting nonsensical. Does Obama strike you as some kind of America-hater? If yes -- say so -- and let's see you prove it. If no -- are you this short of stuff to write about? What exactly is your goal? Your motivation seems obvious -- fill space with sensationalist puff. Time to do some WORK, wouldn't you say?

Posted by: dennisbrennan | March 28, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I am tired of hearing about how Wright's comments were "taken out of context." Let's use an analogy to see how silly this sounds. If I tell a flight attendant that I am going to hijack the plane, but also tell her I like her outfit and the coffee is good, is the hijack comment "out of context?" What's said is said and there is no way to say it doesn't matter. Period!

Posted by: georgearmstrong | March 28, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

The questions in this blog are good. There are many important questions about Obama.
Is it a "guilt" thing for people not to see them? Perhaps.

I am still thinking about some of his claims that he said he did in the past but were found to be untrue. Like his comments about how he was heavily involved in an asbestos case, and was found not to have anything to do with that. There are many other things he has claims on, that were untrue. So, I do question him on how much he knew about Rev. Wrights sermons.

If he had known, then he should have distance himself from it a long time ago. This Wright was an advisor on his campaign as well. Does Obama feel as though he is above all of this? I think so, and I believe the speech was a distraction from those issues.

Posted by: cyberaim | March 28, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Quit reporting this stuff. We're sick of hearing about it. The same goes for Hillary's Bosnia issue. One of the big reasons this contest has gotten so negative is that the press keeps stories alive too long. Quit feeding hay to a dead horse!

Posted by: Pajaro1 | March 28, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

From Muslim links to unclear answers, Perry Bacon Jr. strikes again.

Posted by: FirstMouse | March 28, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Barack Obama now is about to receive the endorsement of strong Roman Catholic Senator Casey followed by Casey's presence on a joint PA bus barnstorm.

Your Wright "coverage" is getting pretty stale, WaPo.

Posted by: FirstMouse | March 28, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

What a yawn-fest!

Haven't you guys beaten this dead horse long enough?

Posted by: postfan1 | March 28, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Why does it matter what specific controversial comments Obama heard in person? He has clearly explained that he does not support or condone some of the specific words, but he supports the man. Here's a quote from Dean Snyder, the current senior minister at the church the Clinton's attended for the eight years they were in Washington:

"The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader whom I have heard speak a number of times. He has served for decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society. To evaluate his dynamic ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave injustice to Dr. Wright, the members of his congregation, and the African-American church which has been the spiritual refuge of a people that has suffered from discrimination, disadvantage, and violence. Dr. Wright, a member of an integrated denomination, has been an agent of racial reconciliation while proclaiming perceptions and truths uncomfortable for some white people to hear. Those of us who are white Americans would do well to listen carefully to Dr. Wright rather than to use a few of his quotes to polarize."

Posted by: hoelzel | March 28, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

My Catholic Priest went to jail because he molested little boys. I fail to see how anyone can "brand" me a child molester because I am a long time member and supporter of my priest and my Catholic Church. My priest officiated at my wedding and baptized my four children.

Mr. Obama's dilemma is that he is a black man seeking national elected office in racist America. The very liquid logic of Perry Beacon Jr. and the Fox fake news network highlights this duplicity.

Thousands of priests and pastors engage in misconduct all over America. No one anywhere has ever associated a member of a Catholic congregation to their bishop's misconduct. Only a black member of a black church is entitled to this special treatment.

Mr. Wright's speech is protected by the US Constitution. He is also protected by the separation clause that separates church and state. To deny Mr. Obama your vote based solely on his pastor's venting is patently unfair.

What you are saying is that it is ok to molest little boys, but the legal exercise of free speech demands retribution. Molesting little boys is a lot worse than the phrase "God dam America" Even in his most virulent moments, Mr. Wright broke no laws.

As an American, I am a lot angrier at the holy rolly pastor who disrupts the internment ceremonies of our fallen heroes, than any rant of Bishop Jeremiah Wright.

Singling out Mr. Obama for special treatment because of a media generated circus, radically underscores Mr. Wright's basic complaint. That America is not a fair place and that white America is basically genetically racist and unfair.

Posted by: ouidah | March 28, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

BOTTOM LINE... IF THE ROLES WORE REVERSED,AND CLINTON OR ANY WHITE PERSON,WENT TO AN ALL WHITE CHURCH,AND SAID THESE THINGS ABOUT BLACKS, IN A SERMON THAT WHITE GUY WOULD BE TORMENTED,AND SHE WOULD BE DONE WITH NO POLITICAL CAREER!!!!THE BOTTOM LINE BLACK PEOPLE ARE BIGOTS TOO!!!!! THEY DO NOT WANT CIVIL RIGHTS FOR ALL, THEY WANT RIGHTS JUST FOR THEM!!! WE CANT EVEN PUT A NOOSE AROUND A DUMMY ON HALLOWEEN WITHOUT THE BLACKS CRYING AND YELLING ON EVERY SHOW THERE IS UNTIL THE WORD NOOSE IS POLITICALLY OR SOCIALLY OUTCASTED!!!!!!! PITIFUL!!! AND I THINK THE BLACK COMMUNITY HAS TURNED INTO HATE MONGERS.AND WE ARE SCARED TO SAY ANYTHING ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE BEING BIGOTS!!!!!!!! EVERYTHING OUT OF OBAMAS MOUTH ABOUT WHITE PEOPLE IS RASCISM.HE HAS A ONE TRACK MIND AND THEN HAS THE AUDACITY TO SAY GAY PEOPLE SHOULD BE SECOND CLASS CITIZENS!!!!! GROW UP PEOPLE!!!! HE WILL PROBABLY PUT MISS RICE AND MISTER POWELL IN HIS ADMINSTRATION JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK.....WHEN THE BOTH OF THEM LIED,SCHEMED.OH.....THE MUSHROOM CLOUD WAS THE BEST.....OH BUT OBAMA WILL NOT CARE......WATCH AND SEE.THATS WHY POWELL IS TRYING TO CHANGE HIS PAST......TO MAKE IT LOOK PRETTY!!!!! THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT.....OBAMA IS A BIGOT AND A HOMOPHOBE WHO THINK BLACKS SHOULD BE CRADELED LIKE BABIES WHILE THE REST GET SPIT ON AND CALLED RACSIST....GROW UP LITTLE MAN, AND ADMIT YOU ARE, A BLACK BIGOT BEHIND THE SCENES. SO YOU WILL GET YOUR POWER YOU HAVE BEEN CRAVING SO LONG!!!! HOW SAD ARE YOU MAN

Posted by: lmv1965 | March 28, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Oh, please. Give it a rest, will ya. I'm not even an Obama supporter and I find the media's fascination with this topic over the top. To use another cliche, stop beating a dead horse. You've covered it, we get it. STOP already. Move on!

Posted by: pmorlan1 | March 28, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

All these idiots that cannot comprehend the spoken words of read what is written other then what their flawed, hypocrite brain want, should first hear the whole sermon or read it by opening their eyes, and then think twice before spewing their ignorant, hate and fear, that is a part of their inherent flawed character and inherited ancestry. What is the matter, can't they figure out who they are or what their fart is all out.

Posted by: winemaster2 | March 28, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

svreader:

I knew you'd be trolling around here somewhere. It's really funny how you honestly believe what you say, while there are literally hundreds and hundreds of posts that prove you wrong. It would be nice if you could listen to reason, but then again, you're willing to go to the other side if Hillary doesn't win the nomination, a refrain I'm sadly becoming all too familiar with from you Hillary fanatics. Reason just isn't in your make-up. You criticize us Obama supporters as being "delusional," but in all honesty, we're the ones going out and researching our candidate, asking him to answer these questions once and for all, effectively, truthfully, and completely, so that we can get on to a real discussion of the issues, like the fact that everything Hillary has said about her "experience" is as fictitious a fairy tale as that little yarn she kept spoon feeding us about her taking sniper fire in Kosovo in 1996, about her being the first "high-profile American" in Kosovo after the peace accords, neglecting to mention that her husband, the actual President, was on the ground there a full two months before she was (I mean, after all, what kind of man sends his wife and daughter into a "war zone" that's supposedly not safe for him?).

I'm sure that once we get a chance to tackle all of Hillary's "claims" to experience we'll have a field day. Now who's the one who's lying again?

Posted by: xiape | March 28, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

"For those of you who are just weary of the primary, and feeling kind of ground down or that it's like a Bataan death march, I just want everybody to know that the future is bright."

Here are Senator Obama's words from a New York fundraiser yesterday. To equate a "march" to the White House with the WWII forced march of 90,000 soldiers where as many as 30,000 brave souls died is filth. You don't have to look at Reverend Wright's words to figure out what is in Senator Obama's heart.

Posted by: beebop1 | March 28, 2008 7:57 AM | Report abuse

What kind of judgment does it show that 80% of the American population didn't get up and walk out of their churches when their pastors started war mongering, in direct contradiction to the message of Jesus Christ, who was selected for crucifixion BECAUSE he would not lead the Jews against the Romans; the Jews instead said, "Free Barabas," knowing that he would gladly pick up a sword and kill Romans. Why didn't they get up and walk out when their pastors convinced them, unwisely, to vote in direct contradiction to their own self-interest and to re-elect Bush when they knew that it would lead us to economic ruin?

People don't just leave their churches just because their pastor says some stupid things. People leave their churches very seldom, if ever, and only then because they become disillusioned with their religion, with God, or because they have some other crisis of faith in their lives. Otherwise, people pretty much hear this or that thing and then go right on about doing what they do. People pretty much make up their own minds and then do as they please, whether they agree with their pastors or not, that is unless these people about which we're talking are total sheep and not leaders of men at all.

Obama is no sheep, though. I can tell you that much. Obama is a leader, and he's shown it many times over, including demonstrating a healthy dose of good judgment about a good many things.

Posted by: xiape | March 28, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

With all of the hoopla involving Barack Obama and his pastor, I think that we are forgetting some of the most basic and profound principles of the constitution, " The Freedom of Speech" and most importantly, "The Separation of Church and State"!
Separation of church and state is the political and legal idea that government and religion should be separate, and not interfere in each other's affairs.
In the United States, separation of church and state is often identified with the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." The phrase "building a wall of separation between church and state" was written by the U.S. President Thomas Jefferson in a January 1, 1802 letter to the Danbury Baptist Association
Thomas Jefferson says: "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship...
WOW!... we owe account to NONE OTHER for our faith or our worship!..... WOW!.....that means that we can worship wherever or with whomever we choose!.....according Thomas Jefferson...
We can worship God, Jesus, Allah, Buddah, or Atheism, and it should not interfere or be an issue regarding our political experience and the potential to lead this country....
So why is the media crucifying Barack for being in his church for 20 years and not leaving?....
It's none of their business what Obama does on Sunday's in the church! It is a personal choice (according to the Constitution) that we all have a right to choose to worship or not to worship, at anyplace, with any congregation.....so let's move on!...
Chelsea Clinton was asked by a student yesterday at Butler University about the Monica Lewinsky affair and her family...she promptly answered the student that "it was none of her business!"....good for Chelsea!...she is right...it is personal!...let's move on!
And guess what, Barack's worship is personal as well, so why is Hillary Clinton, and the media condemning his personal choice & place of worship....almost everyday of the week....it is really old news now...let's move on!
SHAME! on Hillary for bringing it up...she should have made the same statement as her daughter... "basically it is none of my business... mr. reporter, this subject is between Mr. Obama, his God and his personal choice"...so why don't we move on!
James Madison says: "no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinion in matters of religion, and that the same shall in NO WISE DIMINISH, ENLARGE, OR AFFECT THEIR CIVIL CAPACITIES"....do you finally get it Hillary, and the media?...let's move on!
Oh!...by the way....the actual speech that Rev. Jeremiah Wright gave on Sept. 16, 2001 was based on quotes from former Ambassador Edward Peck (Terrorism Advisor to the Reagan Administration) on FOX News...it was MR. PECK who said "that America's chickens had come home to roost!"...and "that America was basically responsible for the damage that was done on 911 because of what we did to others in the world"....in other words...violence begets violence....hate begets hate....what goes around, comes around according to MR. PECK, NOT Rev. Wright!....can we move on please!
We need to stop this crucifiction of Barack Obama and his pastor, based loosely on 30 second soundbytes out of 36 years of his pastorial ministry!.......now Can We Move On........ Please?

docdwb

Posted by: docdwb | March 28, 2008 7:23 AM | Report abuse

March 11, 2007

Jodi Kantor
The New York Times
9 West 43rd Street
New York,
New York 10036-3959

Dear Jodi:

Thank you for engaging in one of the biggest misrepresentations of the truth I have ever seen in sixty-five years. You sat and shared with me for two hours. You told me you were doing a "Spiritual Biography" of Senator Barack Obama. For two hours, I shared with you how I thought he was the most principled individual in public service that I have ever met.

For two hours, I talked with you about how idealistic he was. For two hours I shared with you what a genuine human being he was. I told you how incredible he was as a man who was an African American in public service, and as a man who refused to announce his candidacy for President until Carol Moseley Braun indicated one way or the other whether or not she was going to run.

I told you what a dreamer he was. I told you how idealistic he was. We talked about how refreshing it would be for someone who knew about Islam to be in the Oval Office. Your own question to me was, Didn't I think it would be incredible to have somebody in the Oval Office who not only knew about Muslims, but had living and breathing Muslims in his own family? I told you how important it would be to have a man who not only knew the difference between Shiites and Sunnis prior to 9/11/01 in the Oval Office, but also how important it would be to have a man who knew what Sufism was; a man who understood that there were different branches of Judaism; a man who knew the difference between Hasidic Jews, Orthodox Jews, Conservative Jews and Reformed Jews; and a man who was a devout Christian, but who did not prejudge others because they believed something other than what he believed.

I talked about how rare it was to meet a man whose Christianity was not just "in word only." I talked about Barack being a person who lived his faith and did not argue his faith. I talked about Barack as a person who did not draw doctrinal lines in the sand nor consign other people to hell if they did not believe what he believed.

Out of a two-hour conversation with you about Barack's spiritual journey and my protesting to you that I had not shaped him nor formed him, that I had not mentored him or made him the man he was, even though I would love to take that credit, you did not print any of that. When I told you, using one of your own Jewish stories from the Hebrew Bible as to how God asked Moses, "What is that in your hand?," that Barack was like that when I met him. Barack had it "in his hand." Barack had in his grasp a uniqueness in terms of his spiritual development that one is hard put to find in the 21st century, and you did not print that.

As I was just starting to say a moment ago, Jodi, out of two hours of conversation I spent approximately five to seven minutes on Barack's taking advice from one of his trusted campaign people and deeming it unwise to make me the media spotlight on the day of his announcing his candidacy for the Presidency and what do you print? You and your editor proceeded to present to the general public a snippet, a printed "sound byte" and a titillating and tantalizing article about his disinviting me to the Invocation on the day of his announcing his candidacy.

I have never been exposed to that kind of duplicitous behavior before, and I want to write you publicly to let you know that I do not approve of it and will not be party to any further smearing of the name, the reputation, the integrity or the character of perhaps this nation's first (and maybe even only) honest candidate offering himself for public service as the person to occupy the Oval Office.

Your editor is a sensationalist. For you to even mention that makes me doubt your credibility, and I am looking forward to see how you are going to butcher what else I had to say concerning Senator Obama's "Spiritual Biography." Our Conference Minister, the Reverend Jane Fisler Hoffman, a white woman who belongs to a Black church that Hannity of "Hannity and Colmes" is trying to trash, set the record straight for you in terms of who I am and in terms of who we are as the church to which Barack has belonged for over twenty years.

The president of our denomination, the Reverend John Thomas, has offered to try to help you clarify in your confused head what Trinity Church is even though you spent the entire weekend with us setting me up to interview me for what turned out to be a smear of the Senator; and yet The New York Times continues to roll on making the truth what it wants to be the truth. I do not remember reading in your article that Barack had apologized for listening to that bad information and bad advice. Did I miss it? Or did your editor cut it out? Either way, you do not have to worry about hearing anything else from me for you to edit or "spin" because you are more interested in journalism than in truth.

Forgive me for having a momentary lapse. I forgot that The New York Times was leading the bandwagon in trumpeting why it is we should have gone into an illegal war. The New York Times became George Bush and the Republican Party's national "blog." The New York Times played a role in the outing of Valerie Plame. I do not know why I thought The New York Times had actually repented and was going to exhibit a different kind of behavior.

Maybe it was my faith in the Jewish Holy Day of Roshashana. Maybe it was my being caught up in the euphoria of the Season of Lent; but whatever it is or was, I was sadly mistaken. There is no repentance on the part of The New York Times. There is no integrity when it comes to The Times. You should do well with that paper, Jodi. You looked me straight in my face and told me a lie!

Sincerely and respectfully yours,

Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., Senior Pastor
Trinity United Church of Christ

Posted by: AnjaInMaine | March 28, 2008 7:07 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA is a Muslim. I do not want a Muslim to be President. Nor,in fact a Christian, Jew or a Tibetan Monk. A good old fashion seculist will do just fine.

Posted by: rkmclement | March 28, 2008 7:06 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA is a Muslim. I do not want a Muslim to be President. Nor,in fact a Christian, Jew or a Tibetan Monk. A good old fashion seculist will do just fine.

Posted by: rkmclement | March 28, 2008 7:06 AM | Report abuse

In 1983 Barack Obama graduated from Columbia University and while still in his mid twenties began working as a community organizer on the south side of Chicago. Having grown up without a father and having been raised in a non religious environment, it was then that Barack Obama began attending Trinity United Church of Christ and met the pastor of the church, Rev. Wright, a black man 20 years his senior, a man who has done a lot of good for a lot of people over many years, a man who became influential in Barack Obama's life and became part of his "family", his "adopted uncle", a man who helped Barack Obama become a Christian believer and later married Barack and Michelle Obama and eventually baptized each of their 2 children.
Barack Obama has strongly denounced Rev. Wright's hyperbolic 1960s style radical rhetoric that he has used in a few of his sermons that is based on Rev. Wright's anger and bitterness which Obama understands but doesn't share. But Barack Obama has refused to disown his "adopted uncle" simply for political expediency, even though he very much disagrees with what Rev Wright has said in a few of his sermons.

Posted by: bobwestafer | March 28, 2008 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Read this on Huff Post - it is a copy of a letter Wright sent to NYTimes in March of '07. Very Informative.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/27/flashback-wrights-lette_n_93820.html

Posted by: karind1 | March 28, 2008 6:00 AM | Report abuse

In AMERICAN - HOME OF THE BRAVE AND LAND OF THE FREE, there is a Constitutional separation of church and state. Rev. Wright is in his country, in his church, using his cherished First Amendment freedoms for which his people fought, sacrificed and died. Any insidious ingrate that is too fragile for our cherished freedoms for which many brave people, including Rev. Wright's, excluding Irish Catholics, Jews, Italians, etc., sacrificed so much, should find another country! Bon Voyage!

Ignorance and racism are synonymous! America's greatest sin is slavery! It is delusional to believe that America has been kind to African Americans. The most silent places during slavery were the white churches in the south. Rev. Wright served this country as a Marine and it is not just his right to admonish his country for committing egregious sins, it is his duty.

Senator Obama has inspired so many Americans, especially young Americans who value his message of HOPE at a time when America's credibility and security has been so badly diminished by Bush and the neocons!

Posted by: Chagrined | March 28, 2008 5:48 AM | Report abuse

Perry Bacon, what is your real motive for continually bringing this topic up even after Obama clearly stated in his speech that he may or may not have been present for all of the speeches he is being condemned for? He has himself condemned the objectionable statements made by Wright or for that matter anyone else who Obama has upbraided.

McCain upbraided a pastor whom he respects otherwise for objectionable statements he made about Obama.

But, Clinton is another matter, she continually fuels the negativity fire.She believes it is in her self interest as a politician to get Obama as much of a negative rating as she has nationally.

But, what are your motives, Mr. Bacon? ARe you transparent and impartial in your reporting? If you are then why have you not also reported the message released by Hillary Clinton's own pastor praising Wright and chastising others who are deliberately portraying him to extreme? Will Hillary leave her pastor because she may not agree with hios praise of Wright.

Mr. Bacon, it is your duty to report all the sides of an issue. That is unless your have partisan motives. Well, then if so, that is all right, but the readers will eventually tune you out as such.

Posted by: gordonm7 | March 28, 2008 4:49 AM | Report abuse

Barack Obama should absolutely be held responsible for Rev. Wright's comments. This is not an endorsement from a minister he barely knows.

Those who brush this off are obviously you are not Jewish and it's ok for Obama to have set there for 20 years and listened to this racist propaganda?

It's not ok.

This shows moral judgment.

Oprah left that church after hearing this garbage and took a high moral road.

Obama was caught in a lie regarding all this.

First, he said he had never heard these sermons, then admitted he had & he sat silent!

He points his finger at Clinton for her war vote, claiming she showed bad judgment. Yet, he continued showing bad judgment for 20 years.

History has taught us you do indeed have to have the courage to stand for what is right.

Recall the saying "When they came to get the Jews I said nothing, when they came to get the Poles. When they came to get the homosexuals, the teachers, the intellectuals, the gypsies, I said nothing.
When they came to get me I realized, I was the only one left.

It took tremendous courage for some in Germany those many years ago. They stood up for what they believed and paid a high price.

Obama, who I used to support, has shown he has caved in to pressure from his own group, even in the face of terrible wrong.

Obama is a moral coward and we are fools if we put him in the White House.

Posted by: brutkakfa | March 28, 2008 4:25 AM | Report abuse

I think Chelsea should distance herself from her parents. with their history during her 27 years...but wait she is a chip off the block..
1. she said that she did not speak to reporters..to a 9th grader..classy reply

2. when asked if Monica would hurt her Mothers credibility, she replied to the student that it "was none of your business"..that does seem to be the Clinton campaign that Hillary's credibility is none of the voters business.

3. i guess Chelsea also forgot that she did not have to run from snipers in Bosnia, because she apparently did not remind Hillary for several weeks before the news clip surfaced.

But maybe she will run for Congress and this is good practice. Running of course without a last name..after she makes a little more money at the Hedge Fund she works for, learning Moms Money Magic.

If Obama is under the microscope over Rev Wright, I would be curious as to Hillarys parenting skills, which seem a lot more important that an few sermons blown up by the media.

Posted by: patrick2020 | March 28, 2008 4:20 AM | Report abuse

I don't think entertaining the idea of a Palestinian State and the mistreatment of Palestinians by Israel is wrong either.

I think there should also be an Israel, but for all you enlightened "how could he say that" judges...remember that Israel is the land of the chosen people and if you're not chosen your less then them...and remember Billy Graham and all the hate he spewed about the Jewish people...he was caught on tape saying the nastiest things to Nixon, but he's white and all us Presidents loves us some Billy Graham.

The bottom line is the game is old and most of us are ready to move on to some adult conversation, governance, and real world diplomacy!

Goodbye Clinton...you're next McLame the War Hawk!

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 3:13 AM | Report abuse

Okay...I guess this Hamas thing is like six degrees of Barack Obama:

This Hamas guy writes a piece for the LA Times...someone in Barack's Church reads it and thinks it has value...it is approved for print under Rev. Wright supervision...Obama is a member of Rev. Wright's Church...Obama supports Hamas...Obama is really a radical Muslim sympathizer.

Is someone reachin here or what...I wonder who dug this up?

Sorry not gonna work losers!


Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 3:00 AM | Report abuse

Wow...why are we still talking about this?

Did I miss something or are we on some kind of media loop?

Hillary and her cronies just won't give it up until she gets kicked out of the convention I guess...the rest of us have moved on to the real issues.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

Romney is different . Everybody learned about Mormonism by watching Big Love last year.

Posted by: majorteddy | March 28, 2008 2:29 AM | Report abuse

ashley: Don't enable that fraud Larry - he's already shown himself to be a liar, his lies keep getting more fantastical and I wonder if you are one of the stupid people that has given money to his 'legal campaign' - cos that seems like a good idea right? Give money to a guy who has been done for fraud in the past and has already been caught out lying numerous times in the sick and twisted web he weaves.

Posted by: JayKay2 | March 28, 2008 2:12 AM | Report abuse

And wasn't the Hamas article that the church posted an LA Times op-ed? So it's mainstream enough to run in one of the countries most powerful newspapers, but radical when it gets reprinted? Wow, no double standard there...

Posted by: philman1 | March 28, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

rat-the...how much do you contribute to any charity? I am sure zero.

Charity begins at home! Obama's church has many good ministries that help the poor, disabled and homeless.

What do you do? Oh let me guess, spend all day blogging.

Posted by: ajtiger92 | March 28, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

Did anybody notice that Obama is not labeled 'liar'? Another proof that the media is still not covering this campaign in a fair manner for both candidates.

Posted by: cybervote | March 28, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

mjno...thanks for the post. Actually your post attachment debunks what some mainstream media has been portraying Obama's church as Pro-Hamas. I saw the statement on CNN AC360 Thursday night that Obama's church is pro-hamas with the following statement offered as evidence:

"Why should anyone concede Israel's "right" to exist...?"

That was the only statement AC360 showed. But if you read the entire article by MOUSA ABU MARZOOK, he is making a peaceful thoughtful argument for Palestine to exist. Nowhere in that article does he call for the destruction of Israel.

Posted by: ajtiger92 | March 28, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

Ahem, WHO, in their Right Mind,

Would want ANYONE for the President of the United States of America;

Who spent over $60,000 promoting causes for only one Racial Group?

Yes Folks, all of the Charity Donations benefited only one targeted group-The One he is Half, and his Wife full Blooded!

What? WHAT? Did I say WHO or What Race?

It was purely conjectural! Really! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 28, 2008 1:32 AM | Report abuse

"So, the polls suggest that America has moved beyond this "crisis" for Obama. When will The Post?"

Amen, amen, amen, crumbtrail...

That is the beginning and end of this story, though the press is such a sorry pack of unprincipled hounds that they wouldn't know that fact if it hit them in the face. They must be suffering DTs from Britney Spears being out of public view, and need another victim. It would be hard to imagine a more disgusting spectacle than the full wieght of the press corps bearing down on a question of "what did this church-goer know and when did he know it" -- as if there IS something one can hear in private worship that is somehow "wrong," and beyond the scope of them deciding for themselves how it effects their faith. It wouldn't be believable if it were depicted in fiction (except maybe an Orwell piece), and yet is just another day for these unprofessional goons. Truly pathetic that not even the public's obvious acceptance of Obama's explanation can turn them away from this religious persecution. Typical, sadly...

Posted by: philman1 | March 28, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

He keeps parcing the answer. The pastor resigned...therefore he can be his friend, talk on the phone...but not go to his church. Sure Obama Im sure you can find time go to church while running a campaign for the presidency of The United States...so insensire.

Posted by: Kelvin1 | March 28, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse

Ahem, WHO, in their Right Mind,

Would want ANYONE for the President of the United States of America;

Who spent over $60,000 promoting causes for only one Racial Group?

Yes Folks, all of the Charity Donations benefited only one targeted group-The One he is Half, and his Wife full Blooded!

What? WHAT? Did I say WHO or What Race?

It was purely conjectural! Really! ;~)


Happy NOW Nerds? Multi Postings are OBNOXIOUS, but so am I!

Don't ENCOURAGE ME! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 28, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

The name of the Pastor that DENOUNCED America was Richard Shaeffer I forgot to put the last name in my post thank you!

Posted by: USA2 | March 28, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

You know pastor Wright did not denounce America but a Pastor Richard DENOUNCED America and got free lunch by Ford Regan Bush Sr. at the white house how did they sweep that under the rug? I hope you all see the difference in words used here thank you !
Also that college that hill spoke at asked her about the Monica Lewinsky issue she replied nasty and they all gave here a big clap.
Obama 08

Posted by: USA2 | March 28, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Isn't it amazing how the media covers Hillary's lie for just a day or two and conveniently forgets about it? Then they return to every single thing about Rev. Wright. Get over it guys, there are millions of people in this country like this guy. Show me one thing that Senator Obama has said regarding someone's else race and I'll start paying attention.

Posted by: bchengwa | March 28, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton began her negative campaign way before Iowa and she is continuing to this day with her lies and deceptions. She won't hesitate to cross any line for more money and more power, even if this means crossing her own party.

Hillary understands very well that she will not win the nomination and she is playing for 2012 by making sure that the democrats will lose in 2008. Insiders in her campaign admit that the chances for her to win the nomination are slim to none: see the articles

CLINTON'S CHANCES VIRTUALLY NIL...

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters?bid=45&pid=301838

STORY BEHIND THE STORY: THE CLINTON MYTH

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9149.html

Let's hope that the superdelegates will put an end to the campaign of this kamikaze who believes in ressurection; after all, she is supposed to be Jesus or one of his associates if Bill Richardson is Judas.

Vote Obama or McCain rather than for this power and money driven heartless #$@%! who wears faith and patriotism on her sleeves.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 28, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

See www.taylormarsh.com

Posted by: mjno | March 28, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA's mentor isn't a crisis, it is his life and his wife's. I am glad the POST had the integrity to publish this article unlike MSNBC. Here is their church bulletin. PRO HAMAS see page 10

http://www.tucc.org/upload/tuccbulletin_july22.pdf

Posted by: mjno | March 28, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

first we saw that Obama doesn't wear flag pin , next Michelle Obama is only proud of his country now(2008), previous to that......we dont know......,next his mentor Mr.Wright is strongest supporter of Hamas,FarraKhan(who wants to kill Jews)...,
recently we heard that his mentor hates every white person in the world...i am fearing of what will be the next news....
God Saves America From Obama.

Posted by: franklinpb | March 28, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Kings, Queens, leaders and politicians have always shared thoughts and ideas with religious figures. Its nothing new. Consulting god before you invade and occupy a poor nation is no exception. History is witness to who the players have been. I'm inspired by Bob Dylans "With God On Our Side". 4 years of a freshman Senator Barack Obama would be better than 4 years of the best Clinton or McCain.

Posted by: oneworld67352 | March 28, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

And tomorrow morning, according to AP, he'll say the following on The View:

``Had the reverend not retired, and had he not acknowledged that what he had said had deeply offended people and were inappropriate and mischaracterized what I believe is the greatness of this country, for all its flaws, then I wouldn't have felt comfortable staying at the church,'' Obama said Thursday during a taping of the ABC talk show, ``The View.''

But to the media and his supporters, Barack Obama can do no wrong. Never in my adult life have I ever seen such incredible bias.

Posted by: femalenick | March 28, 2008 12:37 AM | Report abuse

I protest war. That's unAmerican. I burn a flag. That's un-American. I drive a fuel efficient car. That's un-American. In fact, anything that doesn't go along with the Republican definition of what it means to be American, it's un-American. Well, then no no no not God Bless America, God Damn America. Come on sensitive weenies. It was a twist on words to strike home a point, that not everything done in the name of the US of A is a blessing. If I recall, this country was founded on the principles of independent thought, individual freedoms (such as speech) and the idea that you can do believe anything you choose, so long as it doesn't hurt another person.

Posted by: irishspacemonk | March 28, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Obama lied when he said he'd never heard Rev.Wright anti-American speeches. His Perfect Union Speech beautiful and important as it was--was done once evidence surfaced that he had indeed witnessed such speeches. Blacks should be offended that it was given once it was forced out of him. It was the most important speech in race since the unmatchable Martin Luther King, but unlike King, it was hypocritical because it was extracted out of him once he got caught.

Posted by: Kelvin1 | March 28, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

ajit --

The fact that Hillary chose to stay with Bill shows many wonderful things -- true love, maturity, humility, forgiveness, and to understand that a marriage is far more than "sex for shelter".

The self-righteousness displayed by Obama supporters regarding to Bill's affair is insincere, completely non-credible, and completely hypocritical for today's young people to make, considering their own sexual habits.

They discredit themselves by even bringing it up.

The very act of doing so makes it hard for others to take them seriously.

Posted by: svreader | March 28, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

svreader... If I were to take your frame of logic and apply it to Hillary Clinton then the narrative would go something like this...

After 30 plus of marriage why didn't Hillary Clinton leave Bill Clinton? Bill Clinton has been accused of cheating on Hillary going as far back as the 1980s. Bill was accused of cheating on Hillary with Jennifer Flowers prior to the 1992 campaign. Then came sexual harrassment allegations from Paul Jones in the early 1990, leading up to the infamous 1996 Lewinski scandal. A marriage between a man and woman is the closest and most important of all unions. Why would a supposedly intelligent, strong, and independent woman like Hillary tolerate should disrepect and betrayal? What moral judgement was exercised in her case that allowed her to remain married to a cheater and sexual predator like Bill Clinton? A marriage between a man and woman is the closest and most important of all unions.

Posted by: ajtiger92 | March 27, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Rev. Wright is for some the top of the season. Well I am sure people who are loosing jobs, their homes and everything what they were working for thanks to this government will be extraordinary happy to read this article because it is soooo helpful (NOT) in their own misery...
By the way HRC found new friend in PA. Who is he? Read here :

http://www.slate.com/id/2187473/

Here I have to leave at least one interesting idea from the SLATE: "She (HRC) is free, of course, to associate with whomever she pleases. But she is not free, while paddling the sewers with Scaife, to judge Obama publicly for belonging to Wright's church. Compared with Scaife, Wright is St. Francis of Assisi."
but read it all yourself and do your own picture of it.

Well if you like to know how GOP is ready for Clinton if she steals the nomination? Listen this here on youtube: Clintons Chronicle

http://youtube.com/watch?v=K7dtVm9-Z5M

Posted by: Jarda1 | March 27, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

The more Obama and his supporters try to justify Obama's bad decision to stick with Rev Wright for 20 years, the more they convince the rest of the country that he, and they, do not have the independent moral judgement to lead.

Being a leader means seeing potential problems and dealing with them before they become large and dangerous.

Barry has shown repeatedly that he does not have that skill.

We now have many examples of his failure to see the consequences of his decisions and his actions, starting with his use of "hard drugs" as a young man.

Barry is a very good salesman.

He would be a disaster as a candidate or God forbid, as a President.

We've learned that the hard way with George Bush.

We can't afford to make the same mistake again.

Posted by: svreader | March 27, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

This is simply tragic. A Presidential candidate having to explain the words of another person who is not associated with the campaign. It is truly sad to see the media manipulate people. The media is deliberating selecting a few controversial statements out of context and then twisting the meaning of them.

In the latest Wright episode, the media reports the following; Obama's pastor Wright slurs Italians saying "Garlic noses". What kind of reputable news agency takes snipets from an eulogy to mischaracterize a person?

I have not seen any actual reprint of the text in question only internet reports of statements. Rev. Wright said according to some websites that "(Jesus') enemies had their opinion about Him... The Italians for the most part looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans." Does anybody here know who were the Galileans? Hint: They were called this 2000 years ago in the middle east. Although not politically correct Rev. Wright uses "Italians" and "Romans" interchangeably.

So yes Romans (a.k.a. Italians) definitely was prejudiced againt Galileans (Hebrews)! And when Rev. Wright states that Jesus was cruxified on a Roman cross which amount to a "public lynching Italian-style", he is correct. He may not be political correct in some of his words but in the Christian faith he is correct.

Posted by: ajtiger92 | March 27, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Once we elect a President, there is no practical way to replace him if we find out that we've made a bad choice.

Its a basic flaw in our system.

We can't afford to make the mistake of electing someone who doesn't know what they're doing, but thinks they do.

Barry Obama is not only a bad choice, but a dangerous one, because he's exactly like Bush in that regard.

In both the State and US Senate, Barry Obama has been a huge dissapointment.

He likes running for office.

He doesn't like the day to day grind of doing the job.

Earlier in the race, a Clinton/Obama ticket would have been a sure winner and given him the management and mentoring that he needs to grow into a good leader.

Neither he, nor his supporters, realize just how badly he needs a strong manager and mentor, and how much damage he could do without one.

Both Obama and his supporters are too clever for their own good.

He can "get over" on people, but he can't deliver the goods.

His supporters have acted like spoiled children.

He is not Presidential material at the present time.

Its an open question as to whether he might be in the future.

Like many other Democrats, I cannot vote for him in good faith.

His supporters have been so nasty and have shown such zeal throwing Bill Clinton "under the bus" that they have destroyed any goodwill that we mainstream Democrats may have towards him or them.

The best thing for the Democratic Party, at this point, will be for him to be soundly defeated in the next primaries, or for one of the many scandals he's currently involved in to take him out of the race.

I do not see him having the maturity to accept the VP slot without being soundly defeated first, and with all the damage he and his supporters have done to both the Democratic Party, to his credibility and to theirs it may not be a very good idea to have him on ticket in any capacity.

There's no way he can be elected president, but he may very well take the Democratic Party down with him to defeat.

For the good of the country, I hope that does not happen.

As much as I like and admire Senator Clinton, if Obama is the Presidential candidate, there is no way in the world I or most other mainstream Democrats can support him.

If forced to make the decision, we will always choose country over party.

Posted by: svreader | March 27, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama has remained the star of the show. Even with the Rev. Wright issue, he has turned it to a plus by making a singular, historic and high-minded speech on unity and tolerance.

One that has the whole nation still talking and people around the world taking favorable notice. Also he as filled the political dead space between primaries with a debate on his former pastor. Hello.

If you pit Rev. Wright against the former President as lightning rod corner men for the candidates the Reverend probably wins. Everybody knows the former President, but the Reverend is still a mystery. Having been harshly dammed and pilloried he still has room for redemption, explanation, apology and growth. America loves a comeback. Given that he is a widely respected pastor, community humanitarian and an ex-marine with links to President Johnson, this may turn out to be the greatest political 'rope a dope' in a long time.
Clearly the Reverand has somehow charged the good angels to look out for his congregant. That is not too bad a record for any preacher. God works in mysterious ways. Before its all over, I would not be surprised if John McCain called upon the Pastor to pray for him and his campaign as well.

Posted by: empireport | March 27, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama showed a lack of judgment and a lack of character. Doesn't this impact on how he'll make decisions as President?

Posted by: AndyfromVA | March 27, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

mw_lovelace -Sure about those percentages? US percentage of Blacks is 12.4-12.8%

"And again, for statistical purposes only, what is your race--white, black, Asian, or something else? +
White ................................................... 75 [142]
Black.................................................... 11
Asian ................................................... 1
Other ................................................... 4
Hispanic (VOL) ................................... 7
Not sure/refused ............................... 2
+ Results shown reflect responses among registered voters."

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/WSJ-20080326-poll.pdf

Posted by: IndependenceEveWonderlandBallroom | March 27, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

He took his children to this church. And it's not just these sermons - it's printed material in the church bulletins. This is not about religion, it's about Obama putting this man in a significant position within his campaign, lying about ever hearing these things, and exhibiting profoundly poor judgement. Especially for a man who is in public office, and had plans to run for the highest pulic office in our land. And it's not just about race, either. His friend/advisor/crazy uncle, whatever he is, has used some very hateful words in his sermons about the country this candidate wants to lead. Be honest, how many people would stand for this if Clinton or McCain took their kids to a church like this, or had someone like this in a position in their campaign?

Posted by: tmalisch | March 27, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

This is simply tragic. A Presidential candidate having to explain the words of another person who is not associated with the campaign. It is truly sad to see the media manipulate people. The media is deliberating selecting a few controversial statements out of context and then twisting the meaning of them.

In the latest Wright episode, the media reports the following; Obama's pastor Wright slurs Italians saying "Garlic noses". What kind of reputable news agency takes snipets from an eulogy to mischaracterize a person?

I have not seen any actual reprint of the text in question only internet reports of statements. Rev. Wright said according to some websites that "(Jesus') enemies had their opinion about Him... The Italians for the most part looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans." Does anybody here know who were the Galileans? Hint: They were called this 2000 years ago in the middle east. Although not politically correct Rev. Wright uses "Italians" and "Romans" interchangeably.

So yes Romans (a.k.a. Italians)definitely was prejudiced againt Galileans (Hebrews)!

Posted by: ajtiger92 | March 27, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Everyone Please read this: Obama is in trouble again concerningsimliar statement's his Pastor has made.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3636128.ece.

Posted by: Lilly111 | March 27, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I wonder. When the God of Israel is reported to have told the Israelites to go into the Arab land and slay all the Arabs, do you beleive that or is that just the Israeli version of the story. When you see the people of Israel slowly encroaching onto Palestinean lands, Do you believe God said for them to do that or are they just greedy and trying to collect enough land that when it bedcomes time to negotiate they will be in a better position. Why did The Americans and the British find it convienient to GIVE Jews Palestinean owned land? Was it ours to give? Perhaps Pastor Wright is correct when he says we are having our mistreatment of the Arabs coming home to roost. Let us call a spade a spade. The Jews were driven from Egypt because of their arrogant attitude. The land they took from the Arabs was not theirs then and it is not theirs now. It's time Christians faced the facts about the Jews using "We are the chosen people of God" to justify their land grabbing behavior. It is a story that plays well for the United States and Britain, but perhaps it does not play well anywhere else in the world. Are we all blind to the truth or do we just not want to hear it. I believe that is what Pastor Wright was trying to say, he just ties it to the wrong issues. Isn't it time we told the Jews other people have as much value to God as they do?

Incidently, my progenitors fought to free the African Americans. Stop expecting me to pay reparation. Start thinking I am not a plumbing system, I am a person. Start thinking I am not White, Black, Red or yellow, I am a person. Start thinking I am not old or young, beautiful or ugly, I am aperson. Start thinking I am a citizen of the world who lives in America. Start thinking we are all in this world together and if I have extra food or technology I'll share it with you. If you have extra oil or can offer labor to our common effort to improve our quality of life you will share it with me. What's so bad about that kind of conclusions and beliefs?

Posted by: speedycampbell | March 27, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Controversial? Did Barack Obama hear anything controversial during Wright's sermons? How could he not hear anything controversial in a Christian Church? This is about Jesus. You know, the guy who was crucified, went around healing lepers, walking on water, preaching the most subversive sermons ever heard. Talk about speaking truth to power! That stuff will get you killed! So, yeah, I'm betting Obama heard plenty of controversial stuff in the pews, just like I do on Sundays. What of it?

Posted by: optimyst | March 27, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

1) All these controversial comments are Rev Wright's and he should be asked all these questions. Not Obama.

2) Obama does not have to leave his church because the Pastor says something outlandish in a few out of his 1000's of Sermons over 20 years. An adult learns to disagree and move on. Children hold grudges and try make dramatic display of cutting of relationships.

3) There is no evidence that Obama even remotely subscribes to any of these views.

End of story. The cynics need not vote for him. Those like me, who recognize the brilliance and good in this man will vote for the future of this country by voting for Obama.

3)

Posted by: venky1 | March 27, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Dear God, is there no sense and honesty left in anyone?

Yes, he is a smooth, charismatic fellow. And yes, we need to get away from the politics of fear and the corporate favoritism by government. But Obama is just another talking suit. He is a mainstream conservative masquerading as the second coming of Jesus. Jesus . . . at least Hillary doesn't pretend to be our savior. She's a politician, and there's no hiding it. He is too, but he pretends otherwise.

His eloquent speech on race was a desperate, game-saving move. His hand was forced by the disclosure of his two-decade long association with a black militant evangalist. So instead of just quietly attending yet another of the 1000+ Sunday sermons he's recieved from Rev. Wright, he dumped the good pastor, along with his granny, and grasped desparately for the gold ring.

You have to be blind or mentally impaired to ascribe that conduct to an elightened figure transcending race . . .

Posted by: gravitybob | March 27, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Public school money is being diverted to religious and private schools thanks to Obama and Bush. Both use church congregations to win elections and used the NCLB pretense to pay them back.

CLinton is the only candiate that wants to dismantle the NCLB. This is a good enough reason to vote for her unless of course you send your kids to religious schools and want it funded by your neighbors.

Posted by: hhkeller | March 27, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Anti-American, racist, bigot, and hate monger this is what Obama's pastor is. Obama says he can not end is relationship when Wright anymore than he can end his relationship with the Black community or his White Grandmother. Well I'm sure that his Grandmother would not stay there 20 seconds if she heard the things that Rev Wright said. It comes down to "Judgement", not words. Obama's actions shows he does not have good judgement.

Posted by: mw_lovelace | March 27, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and the whole Clinton family is nothing but slime. They don't know the difference between truth and lie. Heck, they don't even have a single meaning for the word "is".

They only know how to perform criminal activities. Why else would they delay releasing their tax return? It doesn't take any more than a few minutes, may be few hours, to pull out the tax return forms and publish it.

Hillary "sniper-fire" Clinton should retire and stay home.

Posted by: Dave27 | March 27, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and the whole Clinton family is nothing but slime. They don't know the difference between truth and lie. Heck, they don't even have a single meaning for the word "is".

They only know how to perform criminal activities. Why else would they delay releasing their tax return? It doesn't take any more than a few minutes, may be few hours, to pull out the tax return forms and publish it.

Hillary "sniper-fire" Clinton should retire and stay home.

Posted by: Dave27 | March 27, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Goodness gracious! The country is heading towards the worst financial crisis in a generation, we are at war, two wars. The fat cats are getting fatter, and you are still harping on this non-issue? If Obama said these things, then you have a point. He didn't, let's move on, or John McCain will march into the White House for a third Bush term, your sons will be drafted, and you'll still be #itching about some old preacher who hates America. Wake up people, you're being stupid here.

Posted by: bfjam | March 27, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and the whole Clinton family is nothing but slime. They don't know the difference between truth and lie. Heck, they don't even have a single meaning for the word "is".

They only know how to perform criminal activities. Why else would they delay releasing their tax return? It doesn't take any more than a few minutes, may be few hours, to pull out the tax return forms and publish it.

Hillary "sniper-fire" Clinton should retire and stay home.

Posted by: Dave27 | March 27, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Public school money is being diverted to religious and private schools thanks to Obama and Bush. Both use church congregations to win elections and used the NCLB pretense to pay them back.

Posted by: hhkeller | March 27, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

To Crumbtail who asked "So, the polls suggest that America has moved beyond this "crisis" for Obama. When will The Post?"

There are many of us who continue to have concerns that Senator Obama didn't take a leadership role against the divisive rhetoric of his minister of twenty years. I have opposed ANY elements of racism from my early childhood throughout my adult life. If influential African Americans do not do the same, we will never get beyond our racial problems. All my adult life, I've been labeled liberal, but I am convinced that we cannot have a double standard on the racial issue. For me to hold whites accountable for divisive, racist remarks and actions and then to give blacks a pass is extremely patronizing. I think to do so is to treat blacks as inferior. There is no way that we will move beyond a divided, polarized society until we counter the sort of rhetoric that Jeremiah Wright preached (http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4443230). It is extremely regrettable that Senator Obama--as a leader in the Chicago community--did not take a leadership role against this divisive rhetoric.

Posted by: wcowan1 | March 27, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Sorry the WSJ/NBC poll gave a false result because they did not use the right number of applicants based on the population!!!

Posted by: mw_lovelace | March 27, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

With the latest bulletins from Senator Obama's church, I believe that if he wants to be the President of an inclusive USA, he can not continue to be a member of a church [or organization] that espouses divisive politics.

The situation is akin to a person who is running for Prime Minister of Israel saying it's OK for him to be an active member of Hamas or Hezbollah, because there are a lot of good people in Hamas or Hezbollah (which I'm sure there are).

Posted by: syeo | March 27, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

What it boils down to is do you trust Obama?
If you do - then this is no big deal. If you don't - then Obama is lying about this and you don't trust him to do what he says if he were to become President.

Who do you trust in the Oval Office? Personally, I don't trust any of the candidates. This election I am going to have to choose the devil I know best.

www.unfilteredopinion.com

Posted by: team-davis | March 27, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

In addition to dismantling the constitutional inheritance of the people, the Bushies have used Colin Powell's son appointed to head the FCC to consolidate the media. The consequence is we are now faced with a monopoly, created at the price of soft selling the American public on the Iraq war, determined to destroy the true and proven candidate of change in it's insatiable desire to hold on to power. Their desire is to place the former maverick, now sellout, against the ungodly Barak Obama, congregate of the hate doctrine. He will be easily enough defeated at the hands of their swift boating marketing. God help us overcome this media manipulation and nominate the person who can wrest our country from their dark influence. God bless Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: floridavoter | March 27, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Ahem, WHO, in their Right Mind,

Would want ANYONE for the President of the United States of America;

Who spent over $60,000 promoting causes for only one Racial Group?

Yes Folks, all of the Charity Donations benefited only one targeted group-The One he is Half, and his Wife full Blooded!

What? WHAT? Did I say WHO or What Race?

It was purely conjectural! Really! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 27, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

it shows that when hes in a bind he doesn't say I mispoke......he steps up to the plate.....I can respect that.....and evryone knows about the Tuskegee experiments......now who know what about what.....I don't care if he believes the government did the AIDS thing or not .....he has shown enough judgement...not to support the war from the start........and he did not make up a whole story about snipers....Obama 08

Posted by: exhooper | March 27, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

svreader and JakeD please keep up your Obama attacks based on Rev. Wright. From the WSJ/NBC poll they seem to be helping Obama more than hurting.

In between attacks you can amuse yourselves by monitoring the Hillary Deathwatch at Slate.
http://www.slate.com/id/2187558/

Posted by: IndependenceEveWonderlandBallroom | March 27, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Concerned about Obama's hyperbole about the Bataan death march? Grow up...it was said with levity.

As far as Wright is concerned, he isn't running for President and doesn't speak for Obama. Again, grow up Americans

Posted by: BadBilly | March 27, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Seen the full sermons the clips were taken from, and they are not the least bit racist or unamerican.

I have also seen most of his other clips, it is the same, in fact most of them are quite mundane, about everyday things. The content of Wright's sermons depends on what's going on at the time, I notice.

A collection of sermons:

http://www.youtube.com/user/jakeb1125

more information on trinity

http://truthabouttrinity.blogspot.com/

look, listen, and learn. And try not to lie.

Now if you want to speculate ab

Posted by: johnelliott75 | March 27, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Mitchs52,

No, freeworld said nothing to suggest that worshipping Hitler and then drinking Hitler's blood should be considered a private matter. To suggest that this is a sensible rebuttal to his claim that Obama's association with Rev. Wright is none of our business is asinine. To finish by saying "grow up Freeworld" is not only asinine, but also ironic.

Posted by: frengle | March 27, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I am a little more concerned with this comment:

"For those of you who are just weary of the primary, and feeling kind of ground down or that it's like a Bataan death march, I just want everybody to know that the future is bright," Sen. Barack Obama told a group of fundraisers in New York on Thursday, according to a pool report.

Trivializing the forced march of 90,000 American prisoners during World War II, where more than 30,000 of them died is about as disgusting a political use of real American heroes as I have ever witnessed.

Posted by: beebop1 | March 27, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama's speech today on the economy was brilliant. He gave a clear and easily understood lesson on the US market in its historical context, then set out PRINCIPLES for a 21st century US economy. Hillary has no principles. That is, she is un-principled, and all her many so-called "concrete" measures are merely fuzzy bullet points which we all know will be lost when she negotiates with her special interest lobbyists and multibillionaire supporters who are now threatening Pelosi unless Pelosi throws the race to their pal, Hillary. As the Queen of Mean, the only means Hillary understands are lying, kneecapping, and throwing the kitchen sink at honorable Americans. Her campaign has run on unpatriotic and unAmerican scorched-earth, drive-by shooting, gender and race gaming, divide-and-rule politics of personal destruction.

Posted by: shirleylim | March 27, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Whenever Barry Obama has faced an important decision, his response has been the same --

Bambi has frozen like a deer in headlights.

And done nothing.

Just like he did for the people who froze in the slums in his district in Chicago.

Posted by: svreader | March 27, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Freeworld,
What a man/woman believes has no boundaries when it comes to running for President of the United States. Religious beliefs are an issue. Are you saying that if Barack's Church worships the Nazi flag and gives blood sacrifices to Hitler it is none of our business? Grow up Freeworld.

Posted by: MITCHS52 | March 27, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters want to sweep the fact that he chose Rev. Wright as his spiritual advisor under the rug.

If we Democrats make the mistake of nominating Obama, Republicans will use this issue to burry him so deep that his political tombstone will pop out in China.

Never forget "Jimmy the Greek"

Obams's "Typical White Person" comment shows how casual his racism is.

The fact that Obama and his supporters see nothing wrong with the fact he said it, and that so many of them defend Rev. Wright, shows how wrong they are for America.

Casual racism is the worst kind, because its so deeply part of a person's world-view.

If a white person said the corresponding comment, they'd be shunned, and rightfully so.

Posted by: svreader | March 27, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

"This is a dead issue-move on."

I've heard this before. Shall I cc Kwame Kilpatrick and Eliot Spitzer? Certainly all questioners of Chelsea Clinton should hear the pronouncement.

No uncomfortable questions, please.

Posted by: edbyronadams | March 27, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

i think we start treading on dangerous territory when the media and the public starts asking personal questions about religious affiliations. Who Obama chooses as his spiritual adviser is non of our business. This is a dead issue-move on.

Posted by: freeworld23 | March 27, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Perry, Rev.Wright is non of our business. Obama is correct, Trinity is church is larger church organization with a largely white congregation. The Illinois church is a larger chapter of Trinity.

Posted by: freeworld23 | March 27, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Friends, the issue is not Baracks religion. Forget the Trinity Church. Focus on Baracks PERSONAL Mentor for the past 20 years. An outspoken community member who has asked his followers (the mentored) to form their beliefs on the vomit he ladels out as soup. Barack is either stupid or a chicken hearted wimp. He clearly did not have the guts to question or contradict his mentor. Or he was part of the idiotic Amen corner of the mentored deciples of Mr Wright. Which ever it was, as long as he dances around the truth of the matter he is unfit to be President. Face it Mr Obama, take each bile filled piece of Mr Wrights opinions and expose them for the lies they are. Then appologize for doing nothing.

Posted by: MITCHS52 | March 27, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

Oh you poor mouse ...........you fixation with Obama is getting out of control. I have a feeling you like him. You probably voted for him or will vote for him

Posted by: netsa14 | March 27, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

edbyronadams:

How Obama defines himself spiritually is none of your business. His belief that his mother is in heaven, however he chooses to define heaven, is a personal matter that has no political relevance.

Posted by: frengle | March 27, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and the whole Clinton family is nothing but slime. They don't know the difference between truth and lie. Heck, they don't even have a single meaning for the word "is".

They only know how to perform criminal activities. Why else would they delay releasing their tax return? It doesn't take any more than a few minutes, may be few hours, to pull out the tax return forms and publish it.

Hillary "sniper-fire" Clinton should retire and stay home.

Posted by: Dave27 | March 27, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Having looked at more than a couple of seconds of the sermons of Rev. Wright I have come to the conclusion that he said one basic thing: America is not greater than God. If anyone wants to say American is greater than God, you are welcome to say that. But that would be true blasphemy. He may have said that America is not greater than God in a way that offends many people. It is being ill mannered, ignorant, silly, stupid... choose your pejorative. But it is still not blasphemous, since pronouncing blasphemy can be uttered only against God.

Further, to say the Rev. Wright is saying anything other than American is not greater than God is to bare false witness against Rev. Wright. Now, you are welcome to bare false witness against Rev. Wright. But that would also be blasphemy, given that what Rev. Wright said was: America is not greater than God.

Posted by: unchurch | March 27, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

svreader-

The only "People are really, really, angry about it" are Hillary zealots and Republicans. The polls say since the dust-up Hillary's approval went down, Obama's went up. What his pastor belives is just not of any interest to anyone who didn't already hate Obama in the first place. Ger over it, this is a dead issue.

Posted by: dcwsano | March 27, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

The press, the Post included, should either pay similarly close attention to Hillary Clinton's religious affiliations (some of which turn out to be spectacularly unattractive) or move on to something more substantial. This topic, and the dull-witted, repetitive pseudo-arguments advanced against Obama, here and elsewhere, are classic examples of bad-faith rhetoric. No reasonable person can take them seriously.

I don't expect everyone to share Obama's views or endorse his policy positions, and I'm always happy to consider opposing arguments. But this ad hominem nattering is insipid and has no basis in reality. Saying that won't stop people from seizing the opportunity to air their resentments and stroke their own egos. But publications like the Post do our country a disservice by perpetuating this tripe. I hope the ad revenues you're racking up are worth the damage you do.

Posted by: mark.durham | March 27, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ashley.n.jones | March 27, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

"Romney was never asked to defend them or asked why he didn't leave the church if he disagreed."

If he had made it deeper into the nomination process, it would have arisen.


"Does his departure from mainstream Christian orthodoxy, as it relates to his mom making it to heaven, demonstrate a lack of core values."

It does belie his claim to be Christian. If you don't have to believe in the divinity of Christ in order to be saved, I don't know what the word "Christian" means. That means I don't know what Obama believes.


Posted by: edbyronadams | March 27, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

svreader,

please write something new. I have seen the exact same post from you over the past one week in every other blog. I hope you are not as old as mcbush to think of something new.

Posted by: catchsandy | March 27, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

I am very concerned this is going to blow up in the general election come November if Obama is indeed the Democratic party's nominee. He says he was not in church when Wright was spewing his hateful sermons, but I think we need the Press to investigate to determine if this is indeed true. If it is true, we will know we won't have a problem in the general election. If it a lie, it will be exposed now before we face the Republicans in the general election.

Posted by: BrownShirtGeorge | March 27, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Q: If Obama was secretly attending Federalist Society meetings for 20 years, that would not give you any pause as to whether what he telling the truth as to his opinions on issues that are relevant to his ability to perform the duties of president?

A: That's quite the non-sequitur you've got going there. Well, Obama has never made a "secret" about his church affiliation and the Federalist Society is not a religious organization. It's a political organization and any "secret" membership would give me "pause" - your term, not mine.

Posted by: frengle | March 27, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

dyinglikeflies:

Well, officially, there is a Constitutional prohibition of any Religious Test in Article VI, section 3 ever being required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States. So, you can only take your argument so far.

Posted by: JakeD | March 27, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are in denial.

They just don't "get it"

The fact that Obama allied himself with someone who spouts anti-white, anti-semitic, and anti-American rhetoric is a "deal breaker"

Its the number #1 topic of water cooler conversation around the country.

Most "Typical White People" had no idea that stuff like this has been going on.

People are really, really, angry about it.

Obama's supporters try to spin it into being about a single sermon.

Its not.

Its about a 20 year relationship.

Its about Obama choosing Wright to be his "Spritual Advisor"

It's about Obama's lies.

Its about Obama talking out of"both sides of his mouth.

Obama presented himself as a paragon of virtue and someone on a higher ethical plane than other candidates.

He's repeatedly shown through his actions that he isn't.

He's like a human chameleon.

He turns into a completely different person depending on what group of people he's with.

He's lied to us and fooled us over and over.

America doesn't trust him anymore.

He's toast.

He deserves to be.

Posted by: svreader | March 27, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

edbyronadams:

"Obama's Christian beliefs are somewhat out of the mainstream because he believes that his mother is in heaven even though she never embraced a belief in Christ"

Do you think that this is important? Should we be asking candidates whether or not their parents made it to heaven? Really? Does his departure from mainstream Christian orthodoxy, as it relates to his mom making it to heaven, demonstrate a lack of core values. Wow!


Posted by: frengle | March 27, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

"Romney's kooky Mormon ideas ...were given close scrutiny." Wrong. The press used his mormonism to discuss Mormon beliefs, but Romney was never asked to defend them or asked why he didn't leave the church if he disagreed. Most people belong to a church because of the church's spiritual teachings, not the pastor's political beliefs.

Posted by: dcwsano | March 27, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Here it is again (you skipped right to the follow-up question):

Q: If Obama was secretly attending Federalist Society meetings for 20 years, that would not give you any pause as to whether what he telling the truth as to his opinions on issues that are relevant to his ability to perform the duties of president?

Posted by: JakeD | March 27, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama's beliefs are not "none of our business" or "personal". Every American has the right to worship and believe as they wish, but if they are running for President it is no longer confidential information. The claim by the Obama people that his willingness to make this nutcase a part of his campaign team, knowing he preached race hatred, is none of our business, is laughable.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | March 27, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

frengle:

How do you KNOW he is telling the truth about that if he stayed at the church for 20 years? You also didn't answer my hypothetical question about the Federalist Society either.

Posted by: JakeD | March 27, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Why are we still discussing this? Why are people more disgusted with Wright and Obama? Why do some "black christians" have carte blanche to spit on everyone who is "unblack"? What the hell is wrong with people? Can you see that this is wrong? There should be no "allowance" or "slack" for this. It's wrong. You don't want to teach your kids to talk like that about other people. You don't want people talking about you like that, do you? Whatever happened to old fashioned respect for each other? Why aren't you mad as hell about this? If you don't agree, you can sign on with Rev. Wright and think of me as some "garlic nosed Italian" or you can sign on with Rev. Obama and call me a "typical white woman." You're casting votes for this? Can't you do better?

Posted by: Mandelay | March 27, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

Again, Obama does not believe that "our own government injected blacks with HIV/AIDS" Obama's reasons for staying in "that church" are none of our business as they are personal.

Posted by: frengle | March 27, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

"Why is it that Romney's kooky Mormon ideas was considered off limits by the press,"

You weren't paying attention. They were given close scrutiny.

As far as what someone believes, it is pertinent if not salient in looking at a presidential candidate. Our spiritual beliefs are supposed to be at the core of our values. What our spiritual leaders say matters. That goes double for Obama because he has such a short public history. We grasp at something to fill in the blank slate.

Obama's Christian beliefs are somewhat out of the mainstream because he believes that his mother is in heaven even though she never embraced a belief in Christ.

BTW, I am not a Christian, Mormon or otherwise. I have outside the mainstream beliefs as well.

Posted by: edbyronadams | March 27, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

He stayed with a church for twenty years when he disagrees with Wright preaching racial hatred to a new generation. Is he calling the newsletter another sound byte? Is he going to say he wasn't on the mailing list for the newsletter? Is he going to turn this around and lay it at the doorstep of moral equivalence and white guilt again? I am tired of Obama and his B.S.

Posted by: thejaner | March 27, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

The washington post has so many pro Obama "journalist" that attending a racist anti American church is not a deal breaker in the eyes of this paper. They praise him for a speech that was read from a teleprompter and all is forgiven. If Hillary Clinton went to a church like this, her career would be OVER. Why does Obama seem to get a pass from every major news orginaztion? You have people like Eugene Robinson going on Hardball and Countdown (pro Obama shows)and justify listening to this hateful man. I've lost all faith in the media. The Wright thing just shows us that the media were to busy fawning over Obama to actually do their job and maybe walk in the gift show of Obama's church and take a look at the DVD's on sale. And you wonder why SNL made fun of everyone in the media? Its a joke.

Posted by: hwebb5454 | March 27, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

LOL -- I'm not saying that Obama has to defend Wright -- what I am saying is 1) does Obama think that our own government injected blacks with HIV/AIDS, and 2) what kind of judgment does it show that Obama did not leave that church?

Posted by: JakeD | March 27, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that Romney's kooky Mormon ideas was considered off limits by the press, and no one told John Kerry he should leave the Catholic Church because the Church covered up pedophile priests, but Obama is taken to task because his otherwise good pastor has wacky political ideas?

Posted by: dcwsano | March 27, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

In answer to your question: "why don't you think that believing our own government injected blacks with HIV/AIDS is "relevant to his ability to perform the duties of president"?"

I do think that this would be a perfectly relevant question to address, but only for the person that made the statement: Rev. Wright. Barack Obama should not be expected to defend the ideas of everyone that he has ever known; and for the record, he has never said that "our own government injected blacks with HIV/AIDS".

Posted by: frengle | March 27, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama probably doesn't remember what politically controversial statements Rev. Wright made while he was in church because if Obama , if he is like me, he simply zoned out whenever the pastor went into political speech. I have been a member of a church for over 40 years. I have heard pastors say dumb political things, left and right many times over the years and always ignored them. There are reasons the founding fathers created separation of church and state. One big reason is that politicians make lousy theologians and pastors make lousy political theorists.

Everyone who hated Obama already thinks this reinforces their feelings, everyone who liked Obama thinks this is unimportant. The polls show it has had no effect. Drop it and move on.

Posted by: dcwsano | March 27, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

edbyronadams:

So? What Jeremiah Wright preached, or did not preach, is none of our business. It is no more our business than Wright's position on whether or not he believes the earth is 6000 years old or substantially older. (He thinks it's older) There are a lot of things said on Sunday mornings, across our nation, that people are exposed to that they should not be expected to defend in their public lives. Was it any of our business whether or not Mitt Romney was exposed to anti-black rhetoric in the years before blacks were given the right to hold high office in the Mormon Church? Where does it end? It is for good reason that church and state are separated.

Posted by: frengle | March 27, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

frengle:

So, if Obama was secretly attending Federalist Society meetings for 20 years, that would not give you any pause as to whether what he telling the truth as to his opinions on issues that are relevant to his ability to perform the duties of president? Follow-up question: why don't you think that believing our own government injected blacks with HIV/AIDS is "relevant to his ability to perform the duties of president"?

Posted by: JakeD | March 27, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

The objectionable clips were from sermons that the reverend himself taped and put on the open market. As far as we know, they were not the most objectionable sermons he delivered. While his defenders say that the clips are a small sample of those sermons, it is fair to note that those sermons are themselves a small sample.

Posted by: edbyronadams | March 27, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Why are you still discussing this? What business is it of ours what ideas he was exposed to while privately worshipping in his church? He has been quite transparent with regard to his opinions on issues that are relevant to his ability to perform the duties of president. This hyper-focus on the rediculous should be considered beneath the organization that once exposed Watergate. Shame on you for perpetuating this ugliness.

Posted by: frengle | March 27, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Do you all know how many objectionable statements I have not heard in the last 20 years of my life? I tend to not always listen.

Posted by: old_europe | March 27, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

So, the polls suggest that America has moved beyond this "crisis" for Obama. When will The Post?

Posted by: crumbtrail | March 27, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Exactly. It's still unclear which controversial / objectionable statements Barack HUSSEIN Obama heard as he sat in the pews of Trinity United Church of Christ. When is "The Fact Checker" going to assign some Pinnochios to this?

Posted by: JakeD | March 27, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

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