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New Point of Emphasis: 'Common Dreams'

By Peter Slevin
CHICAGO -- One day after Sen. Barack Obama sharply rejected his former pastor's comments about race in America, he said the resurgence of the "forces of division" presents American voters with a reminder, a choice and an opportunity.

"It just reminds me that we've got a tragic history when it comes to race in this country," Obama said of the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.'s remarks, which he called incendiary. "We've got a lot of pent-up anger and bitterness and misunderstanding. But what I continue to believe in is that this country wants to move beyond these kinds of divisions. That this country wants something different."

Obama emphasized the founding themes of his campaign as he spoke to a crowd of about 3,200 in Plainfield, Ind., a suburb of Indianapolis. He recalled the night in April 1968 when Robert F. Kennedy climbed atop a car in a black neighborhood to report that the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. had been assassinated.

"He said, we've got a choice in taking the rage and bitterness and disappointment and letting it fester and dividing us further, so that we no longer see each other as Americans but we see each other as separate and apart and at odds with each other," Obama said. "Or we can take a different path that says, we have different stories, but we have common dreams and common hopes."

Obama is anxious to distance himself from some of Wright's more contentious remarks, such as the minister's declaration that people should sing "God damn America," instead of "God bless America," because of the country's treatment of African Americans and for acting internationally as though the United States "is God and she is supreme."

Obama signaled Saturday that he hopes voters will draw a lesson from the campaign's escalating bitterness, marked in recent days by publicity of Wright's sermons and remarks by Geraldine Ferraro, a former vice presidential candidate and now a prominent fundraiser for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Ferraro said that Obama's path toward the presidency is smoother than Clinton's because he is black.

"I noticed over the last several weeks that the forces of division have started to raise their ugly heads again," Obama said. "I'm not here to cast blame or point fingers because everybody senses that there's been this shift that you've been seeing in the reporting. You've been seeing some of the commentaries of supporters on all sides. Most recently, you heard some statements from my former pastor that were incendiary and that I completely reject."

He returned to a memorable section from his 2004 speech to the Democratic National Convention and finished with another reference to Kennedy.

"I will not allow us to lose this moment, where we cannot forget about our past and not ignore the very real forces of racial inequality and gender inequality and the other things that divide us," Obama said.

"I don't want us to forget them. When people say things like my former pastor said, you have to speak out forcefully against them. But what you also have to do is remember what Bobby Kennedy said: that it is within our power to join together to truly make a United States of America."

By Post Editor  |  March 15, 2008; 8:49 PM ET
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- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
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Posted by: jameswhanger | March 17, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

"It just reminds me that we've got a tragic history when it comes to race in this country," Obama said of the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr.'s remarks, which he called incendiary. "We've got a lot of pent-up anger and bitterness and misunderstanding. But what I continue to believe in is that this country wants to move beyond these kinds of divisions. That this country wants something different."

What the current scrum concerning the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's pulpit comments have exposed, as well as certain misstatements for the Clinton Camp (the LBJ/MLK comparison seems long ago, doesn't it), is the Race issues and confusion will continue in the US for a long, long time if not seriously addressed. That's the only way to 'move beyond race'--to face up to what Race has done, and what it continues to do to people in America. You can't 'pull yourself up by the bootstraps' if you don't have bootstraps to pull. If we don't address Race with all it's facets, feelings, faults and accusations, there may be a blow-up will be in the making. Insensitivity to Race in order to win an election has caused an 'out of sight, out of mind' issue to take center stage amongst the American public. And as this campaign gets nastier, the issue of Race is guaranteed not to go away soon. Since this will be the case, it is a GOOD time, and HIGH time, that America can finally come to grips with what Race has done, and continues to do, in the US. It will mean talking about issues that are uncomfortable. If you think Jeremiah Wright's words are hurtful, what about the Oklahoma Bombing, what was the greatest terrorist affront in the US before 9/11? White Supremists carried out the bombing. I lot of us don't want to feel guilty, and yet there is enough guilt to go around. But for America to truely heal, it MUST confront this issue of Race. If not, we will be like that proverb; 'He who does not know his history is doomed to repeat it'.

Posted by: jrev7620042000 | March 17, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

It is amazing to me the way Obama supporters see this man.

As in the article above. He has decided to release information and answer questions, now that he has no choice in an attempt to direct attention away from him and toward Hillary Clinton.

I watched him on the TV interviews Friday. He was tedious in his effort to carefully word his answers. He kept leaning further and further to the right the more he searched for words trying to satisfy one side of the issue and still appease the other. He was blinking like crazy.
Obama supporters posts say, he did great.

Another issue is after the Wright videos became available, he finally answers questions about his earmarks, admits the information he gave about Rezko donations was incorrect and then as he always does, he practiced the Mis-Direction that works so well with his followers, he asked for Hillary's information.

Not one of his followers seemed to notice that he only gave the information because at this point he has no choice, and instead followed the direction he pointed them in and looked toward Hillary.

He was asked all day on Friday about the issues and His campaign said no comment, when they realized it was going to be covered on the nightly shows anyway, he decided that he could work his mis-direction much better in person and obviously from the posts of his supporters, he was right.

He is the most dishonest person I have seen in politics in a long time, and he pretends he is squeaky clean, above the fray, a new kind of politician, with good judgement. But then he also says, He made a boneheaded mistake, He didn't have all of the information, It just came to his attention and the best yet. I listened to this man for 20 years but didn't really hear him.
I cannont believe anyone would vote for this man.

Posted by: chersplace | March 16, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse



Obama Prepares For Full Assault On Clinton's Ethics
Huffington Post |
March 16, 2008 11:13 AM

The Chicago Tribune reports that Barack Obama's is pushing this week for greater transparency in his campaign as part of a plan to launch a head-on attack against his opponent Sen. Clinton.

Sen. Barack Obama is trying to air his dirty laundry -- even some items that might appear just a little wrinkled -- as he prepares a full assault on Sen. Hillary Clinton over ethics and transparency.

On Saturday he invoked Robert F. Kennedy as he continued to try to distance himself from controversial statements made by his former Chicago pastor that are circulating on the Internet.

With a gap between campaign contests, Obama is trying to unload controversies. On Friday he held extended conversations with the Tribune and Chicago Sun-Times about his longtime relationship with indicted developer and fundraiser Antoin "Tony" Rezko.

The Illinois Democrat is also expected to make public his tax returns for several years before 2006, documents he previously has provided to the Tribune and other news organizations.

The plan seems to be yielding dividends, if the Tribune is to be believed. After sitting with the papers editorial board to answer every question asked about his relationship with Tony Rezko, the Chicago Tribune had this to say:

When we endorsed Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination Jan. 27, we said we had formed our opinions of him during 12 years of scrutiny. We concluded that the professional judgment and personal decency with which he has managed himself and his ambition distinguish him.

Nothing Obama said in our editorial board room Friday diminishes that verdict.

We said in that same editorial that Obama had been too self-exculpatory in explaining away his ties to Tony Rezko. And we've been saying since Nov. 3, 2006 -- shortly after the Tribune broke the story of Obama's house purchase -- that Obama needed to fully explain his Rezko connection. He also needed to realize how susceptible he had been to someone who wanted a piece of him -- and how his skill at recognizing that covetousness needed to rise to the same stature as his popular appeal.

Friday's session evidently fulfills both obligations. Might we all be surprised by some future disclosure? Obama's critics have waited 16 months for some new and cataclysmic Rezko moment to implicate and doom Obama. It hasn't happened....

...Barack Obama now has spoken about his ties to Tony Rezko in uncommon detail. That's a standard for candor by which other presidential candidates facing serious inquiries now can be judged.





Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 16, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse


Obama's Minister Committed "Treason" but When my Father Said the Same Thing He Was a Republican Hero

Frank Schaeffer, 03.16.2008

When my late father, Religious Right leader Francis Schaeffer, denounced America and called for the violent overthrow of the US government, he was invited to lunch with presidents Ford, Reagan and Bush, Sr.

Posted by: awb75 | March 16, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Above is a link to David Kuo blog Beliefnet.
He offers some very good insight - and praise - for Sen. Obama's ability to separate the "sin" from the "sinner"

Anyone who bothers to research Sen. Obama's writings, read any of his books understands that when he went to Chicago as a community organizer at 27 years of age - not a as a child -- he was advised to join the Church to understand the plight of the black man. That this would help him do a better job in the community.

Obama came to Chicago with a black face but as a white man.

The multiple culture and as Obama says "little bits of America" in him are what makes him truly unique. He stayed at the Church for the good works they did for the community. This is not in dispute.

That over the course of 20 years Rev Wright said some deplorable things is also not in dispute.

What is most upsetting about this whole episode is that if thinking people are willing to abandon a cause and a movement based on a few minutes of targeted, isolated video - how commited were they in the first place?

Obama is the same man he was before FOX and co started incessantly replaying the same clips over and over again.

Was what Wright said about 9/11 vile? Yes but I hate to tell you what my Rabbi said at the service after 9/11 and am glad for his sake no one videotaped it

Obama is to be commended not derided for being able to separate the messenger from the message --
Maybe if we had people in government who could do this we would not be having the fifth anniversary of a pointless war this week

If we allow ourselves to be manipulated by YOU TUBE then shame on us all

Posted by: awb75 | March 16, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

I hadn't heard what all the uproar was about (we don't watch TV and I had been focusing on the economic news) and had seen an article in the NYT and so went off trying to find out what was going on. I found endless videos of Wright, and the 'gee whiz, I made a poor judgment about Rezko and was naive' interview in the Chicago Trib. And this is very very bad folks. Wright alone is devastating.

Now we are highly educated Quakers (the group reknown for tolerance and understanding.) We watched a huge number of the tapes - and sat here in stunned disbelief at the hatred, vitriol and conspiracy theories that poured out of Obama's 20 year friend/pastor/"major influence"/source of his book title and campaign theme/moral and spiritual guide/counselor. It was clearly a radical black 'blame whitey' church. When Wright said that Clinton had not been subject to prejudice or that her 'people' had not been considered non-persons, that was it for me with respect to Obama. Women were 'non-persons' for far longer than black men, In the 1850's free black men could own property - women could not. Black men got the vote before any women ever did. White women may not be called 'n*****', but they are still routinely called 'b***h' and 'c***.' When Wright said Obama is not white, all I could think is 'what does that say about Obama's view of his white mother and her family that he would associate with someone who would literally say they do not exist.'

Yet Obama has been deeply deeply involved with this man for 20 years, claims that the Wright brought him to Christianity through his preaching, and relies upon his moral counsel. Since one's religious views and world views are inseparable, there is no way that Wright could have preached a gentle loving, inclusive Christianity and preached hatred, blame and divisiveness on social matters and public policy. Obama's denials of any knowledge about Wright's views rings patently false.

(BTW, this is nothing new for Wright. We are from Chicago and he has been spewing this line for decades. You would have had to be deaf dumb and blind not to have know what he preached if you lived in the Chicago area. He was the Christian version of Farrahkan and anyone who paid the slightest attention to the Chicago-area news knew it.)

As far as political analysis goes, I was a Congressional aide and ran political campaigns when I was younger. My first political involvement was at the age of 16 taking campaign literature door-to-door for McGovern and I have never voted for a Republican in my life. Here is my analysis of the political fall-out.

You can't spin the tapes of Wright. The typical voter is Caucasian, 40ish or older, has an income under $85,000 (bottom 75% of households) and/or does not have a college degree (72% of the voters), lives in a community just like them, and thinks the US was innocent in the events leading up to 9/11 and that the terrorists are going to come and blow up the playground in their town. No one can spin those tapes now enough to persuade average Aunt Tilly and Uncle Jake who just got home from the Lutheran Church in their suburban/small town and who get their political news from TV. Never underestimate how very shallow is the pool of information upon which the vast majority of voters base their decision.

These voters will see the tapes with 'God dam* America', 'whites invented AIDS to kill blacks, 'the US is evil and causes genocide', and 'hate whitey' rants - and they will be horrified. They have spent their lifetimes being told it is wrong to judge people on their color (and that saying such things can get them sued or fired from their jobs) - and they see the tapes of Barack Obama's 20 year minister - his close friend, 'major influence upon him', 'moral and spiritual guide' and the pastor of the church he choose because of the pastor - ranting that 'whites are to blame' for everything and created an evil world; and you have lost them as voters.

They hear Obama do the 'gee golly whiz, I didn't know he said this kind of thing even though I have been very close to him for 20 years and have attended his church for 20 years' and they look at the tapes and see the congregation whooping it up in response and conclude that Wright's statements must be normal to them. They conclude Obama is lying through his teeth (or too stupid to be dogcatcher if he could sit there in that church for 20 years and not notice what was being said.) They will hear Obama say 'trust me - I'm for inclusiveness and not being divisive" - and they see the tapes of his chosen minister and church preaching divisiveness, racial anger, blame and hatred; and think 'actions speak louder than words.' Obama has no credibility on his claim that he didn't know what his minister and church preached and believed - non, zero, zip, nada.

Now you have to explain away Wright to all these voters who make decisions based upon news clips and soundbites. Good luck.

You can't reach all these voters and try to do the explanation of why a 60ish year old black man spews such hate and venom at them based upon their race. All these posts on the internet to explain it, justify it and rationalize it are too much and too long for the typical voter. They are not going to read them, they are not going to believe them as an excuse. They make decisions based upon soundbites and images.

Even if you could get them to listen to the rationale of 'well, the guy grew up under Jim Crow, they are going to respond 'that was 40 years ago - get over it and besides, I had nothing to do with it and I'm sick and tired of hearing about it.'

Even if you could get them to listen to and consider that the US's Israel policy is irrational and unfair, you are not going to persuade them because of the way Wright expressed such a view. He alienated them. (And for Jewish voters it confirms what they suspected over the Farrahkan award from Wright's church.)

Even if you could get them to listen to why Wright says that the US policies led to 9/11, you most definitely are not going to persuade them because the average voter clings to the myth that the US is on the side of truth, justice and right - and is always the 'good guys.'

And you will never persuade them that the 'whites created AIDS to kill blacks' is merely a misunderstanding of a scientific theory that was rapidly discredited and not just wacky looney ravings of a racist (with whom Obama has been, for 20 years, and still is, intimately connected.)

It doesn't matter that Clinton and McCain have taken the 'hands off, we won't use it' approach. Why should they? With this stuff coming out, Obama is self-destructing. The Swift-boat type groups haven't said they will keep hands-off. They will use it - use it hard. A reprimand and disavowal by McCain won't matter squat. It will be out there. A 30 or 60 second commercial funded by the Swift-boat type groups will sink Obama so far down in the general election that he will make the Herbert Hoover's electoral returns look good. And for those who don't know what that means, Hoover got 59 electoral votes from Connecticut, Delaware, Maine, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Vermont. In this case, you would have to deduct Pennsylvania.

I am finding it hard to comprehend that the Democrats managed to turn a shoo-in election into a near certain lose by narrowing it down to the 2 worst possible candidates that have been seen in decades. One is has negatives over 51% - and those haven't budged in months - complicated by misogyny and too many vicious old political battles. The other has no real experience beyond a part-time state legislature, does the 'trust me/visionary' thing and turns out to have close personal ties to a racist 'hate whitey, blame whitey' church which he denies knowing about throughout a 20 year association. The Democrats have turned a sure thing into a potential debacle in their desire to be politically correct and progressive by supporting either a woman or a man who is half black/half white without really seriously considering the background of either (and actually digging into to their backgrounds rather than merely accepting facile self-serving assertions by the candidate) and how it will play with the voters at large. The point was to WIN the 2008 election, not to make history by running a candidate who may make history because of their race or gender but will end up losing because of underlying inadequacies. Sheesssshhhh! Thanks a lot people. Looks like you are going to land us with McCain!

Posted by: eabpmn | March 16, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is anxious to distance himself from some of Wright's more contentious remarks"

Yet, when he was looking for a church, Obama chose Trinity church because it was the biggest and it would enhance his political ambitions. He knew Wright's strongly held anti-white, anti-American beliefs over 20 years in attendence but feels he can smooth talk voters out of this problem just like Rezko, his home purchase.... His condescending denials show his contempt for Americans intelligence. Obama expected these attacks during the general election, per the story last year when Wright told Obama he may have to distance himself if Obama wins the primary. They felt it would be easier to defend their relationship against Republicans. He was not ready oprepared to confront these issues from fellow Democrats. Rev Wright is a racist and bigot yet I feel sadness for this man's legacy as Obama stands by and refuses to defend his mentor, and spiritual advisor. If Obama's blind ambition allows him to throw Wright under the bus, what harm could he do to our America.

Posted by: Skinsfan1978 | March 16, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

If I were your pastor and I mentored, encouraged, and led you for 20 years; how offended would I be that you said you had no idea what I was saying from the front of the church. Were you sleeping for 20 years, and by the way does that qualify you to run our country. Obama is not credible when he says he knows nothing about the views that Pastor Wright shared from his position. Obama said this man inspired him. Wow. These wacky views are not secret within that congregation. Watch the heads of the people and the amens shouted as Wright declares these offensive statements about our country and other "races" from his position of power.

Thank God someone spoke up before it was too late. Imagine Michele Obama as our first lady with her husband in office not serving America or being proud of America; but serving the special interest of a small group of seperatist minorities trying to take us back to days of the 40's and 50's where racial tension was the norm. NO THANKS FOR THAT CHANGE.

May GOD BLESS AMERICA and the rest of the world through us. May we follow the teachings of Jesus and continue to learn how to love others, serve others, and really "help" people through service, giving, and sharing. That is "REAL CHANGE" and it is obvious that OBAMA is not it.

Posted by: adsads | March 16, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama may denounce, discard, or even burn in a bonfire the hate rhetoric tailored by Rev Jeremiah Wright, the acknowledged spiritual guide of Mr. Obama, like some old clothes that do not serve his purpose any longer, but he cannot alter, hide, or erase the fact that he had worn the undergarment for 20 years in apparent comfort until the world finally noticed it.

As Mr. Obama's lofty rhetoric of racial harmony and unity begins to crumble into the shape of a rhetorical artifice to snare the naïve and the gullible to propel him into the job of his lifelong ambition, we find the man of "change" listening surreptitiously to the sound of a different drum--a thundering sound of hate and discord, far removed from the call for racial harmony and unity. We must then ask ourselves, in spite of Mr. Obama's vehement and categorical castigation of "some" of the Rev Wright's hate speech, if the man who has been inhaling such noxious and corrosive fumes for the past 20 years can be cleansed in short order to be entrusted the highest office in the land, nay, the world.

Let us be realistic of one thing: the issue of Mr. Obama's 20-year association with Rev. Wright, whose toxic brew of inflammatory, anti-American, anti-white tirade has been well known for a couple decades (but oddly not to Mr. Obama by his own account), may abate, but it will not go away and is sure to return with force and fury that will sink a swift ocean liner.

Indeed, it is likely to become the most heated singular issue that would beset Mr. Obama challenging his patriotism if he were the Democratic nominee opposing John McCain, a man of impeccable patriotism. The appeal to the American people to stick to the "issues," the Obama camp's trump card, will not do since patriotism is an immensely important issue to most Americans. Worse, as he tries to extricate himself from this fatal error of association, the extrication itself will beget more elaborate and equally dubious explanations, thus damaging his credibility further.

Realistically, one cannot credibly argue, even if he is a top-notch lawyer like Barack Obama, to be a member of a church, located a short driving distance away from where he lived for most of the 20 years he had been a member, actively assisting its proselytizing efforts with large financial contributions (to the tune of $22,500 in 2006 alone), by professing not to know what the church's pastor had been saying much of the time, unless Mr. Obama claims that Rev Wright customized his sermons on the days Mr. Obama was in attendance ("Oh, Barack is in the pews, I'd better not give out this brew today"). Otherwise, this is outright fraud, or to be more charitable, an attempt at such; an attempt no less phony than a man who lived next to an active railroad track for 20 years claiming to have heard no trains passing by. The guilt by association? Absolutely; the trains went by him every day.

The truth of the matter is that Mr. Obama himself calls Rev Wright "crazy uncle," indicating his knowledge of the pastor Jeremiah's "crazy," lunatic preaching, yet, in spite of his claim to a superior capacity for judgment fit for a US president, he failed to foresee the danger of being anywhere near an anti-American lunatic asylum, much less supporting it with contributions, knowing fully well that the director of the asylum was a lunatic himself. Poor judgment does not even begin to explain Mr. Obama's inexcusable failure of 20 years to uphold American ideals in deed that he is so well disposed in word; and if that were to be his explanation then the fact of it would disqualify him to be the next president of the US.

It ought to be clear, in spite of Obama supporters' attempts to control the damage, that Mr. Obama's credibility has been irreparably harmed, not merely by his association with Rev Wright but through his questionable attempts at extrication, as he cannot convincingly erase his 20 years of commitment to an organization whose propositions are clearly at odds with Mr. Obama's claims of what America should be with an abrupt public denunciation that was forced upon him by public outrage--hardly a sign of a scrupulous mind.

The anti-Americanism of Mr. Obama's mentor, Jeremiah Wright, possesses a potent power that will surely undermine Obama candidacy in the general election. Thus, the concerned Americans, particularly the Democrats, are urged to press Mr. Obama to withdraw his candidacy from the Democratic presidential nomination race as his candidacy has been fatally compromised, far more so than John Kerry's ill-fated 2004 presidential bid. If he were a white candidate who had kept a membership in a white church equally obsessed with racial consciousness and acrimony as Mr. Obama's church, he would have certainly been asked to withdraw. Failing such, the Democrats will ensure another defeat at a presidential election. Mr. Obama must go.

Posted by: GeorgePS | March 16, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse


You are right, I do not deserve Barrack Obama for my President.


You are accusing Fox news of spreading rumors.

These are video tapes, made at the church, by the church and sold by the church.

No one else has to do anything to make clear the views of this church, they make their views perfectly clear on their own.

Anyone who chooses to listen to these views for twenty years obviously likes to hear these views....

Posted by: chersplace | March 16, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

'Raw Politics': Horton hears a Suburblican
By Tom Foreman
CNN Washington Bureau

Can Sen. John McCain win over former Democrats disillusioned with the party?

(CNN) -- In the great book of Republican lore, the story lives on, read in reverent tones to tiny Red Staters even in their youngest years:

On the eighth day, Ronald Reagan reached into the suburbs, the burgeoning fields of new homes filled with families yearning for hope, and he picked up an average working-class Democrat.

Cradling him gently in his mighty hand, and speaking in soothing tones, Reagan said to the trembling voter, "I have terrible news. Your party has lost its way. Democratic leaders are no longer the defenders of middle-class jobs, values and security. They are pandering to special interests. Don't you want someone to be your president again?"

The voter cried "Yes!" and in that moment, the Suburblican was born.

Suburblicans: Former Democrats who believed their party had abandoned them, and who came to be Republican voters. They put Reagan into office twice. They helped elect George Bush. And now, Sen. John McCain must see if he can summon the mighty Suburblicans to work their magic once again.

In many ways, McCain may be the right man for the job. His moderate and much ballyhooed maverick ways appeal to many of these voters. His positions do not force them too far to the right, where they would have to cozy up to the hard-core conservatives. Yet his steely resolve and record of service project a certain stability that Suburblicans enjoy.

He faces real challenges. The war, which McCain supports, is disliked by a great many Americans. Yes, there has been much progress in the past eight months. Yes, public opinion is swinging back toward at least neutral. But it's still a sore point.
The economy is staggering, and McCain himself has said economic theory is not his strong suit.

The current president (a Republican, in case you haven't heard) is about as popular as outgoing New York Gov. Elliot Spitzer is, well, I guess, in his own home. That won't help.

There also is this: Remember, sometimes Suburblicans can undergo a remarkable metamorphosis. While holding onto virtually all their beliefs, expectations and principles, they can magically change into Suburblicrats. Sen. Barack Obama knows it's true. He has been doing well drawing those same moderate, independent and cross-over voters who McCain wants.

Sen. Hillary Clinton is firmly bolted to her Democratic base, so you might want to count her out of the Suburblican sweepstakes, and truth be told, her chances of cleaning up with that crowd do not look good.

But if we could predict with certainty where the Suburblicans will land, we could call this election tomorrow. Because the simple truth is, in a race this tight, these swing voters -- maybe more than the bases -- will decide who wins.

The defining characteristic of the Suburblicans right now is that they are migrating; great swarms of them are darkening the skies of the election, unwilling to make it clear which candidate they will ultimately favor.

But when the Suburblicans finally perch, and shake off their molting feathers, we shall see what emerges: New Suburblicans? New Suburblicrats? Or some fantastic new political animal no one has yet imagined.

Thanks to CNN to have Foreman and Cooper report such an insightful political analysis!!!

It's not only insightful but also enjoyable to read. Many of us will echo with Foreman.
Personally, I think Hillary is not qualified for presidency. I feel most confident with McCain, but will support Obama as my president. But Obama should never join in with Hillary either way, or he will betray his own belief and his supporters.

Hillary should concede gracefully and try again in 2012, but she won't quit as she is a soldier, not a commander-in-chief. Unfortunately, the voters have to tell her when to quit. If Hillary were the president, all of us will be her commander-in-chiefs. She doesn't predict anything and she takes only one day at a time. Why do we want to hire a leader like her? My mother also takes one day at a time, but my father is no Bill Clinton.

Posted by: dummy4peace | March 16, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

20 years and Obama never knew Wright was a racist!!

20 years and he never heard Wright utter a racist word!!

The whole congregation was yelling AMEN when Wright and his filthy remarks were directed at Hillary Clinton.

And Obama never knew - that's the media for you, covering for Obama.

Obama = racist! His campaign has been using race since day one!

Posted by: FredCDobbs | March 16, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

So called "uniter" candidates always attack opponents through surrogates and slight of hand. They are the most dishonest of candidates. Axelrod has a machine in place to play the fake uniter game for Obama. It's all scripted folks.

Posted by: hhkeller | March 16, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

So glad that we now get to see Obama'a true colors. There is absolutely no way that we can seriously be expected to believe Obama's statement re the Wright affair... That he wasn't aware of the sick, incendiary and divisive views of his pastor. That is a slap in the face of every voter directly from Obama himself. Obama attended his church for 20 years; was married by him; children baptised; involved him in his campaign and so much more... Obama knew the views of this 'pastor' and denying this fact only makes it clear that Obama is NOT the person he wants you to believe he is. For a campaign being run on judgement and not on experience... Obama is clearly showing that he is NOT the right person to be the next President of these United States.

Posted by: bark_ro | March 16, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Also to Teddy Rosevelt who is claiming to have been an Obama supporter who has decided to change to Clinton. Your not being truthful. I have copies of posts you have made for the last 3 months supporting Clinton. This is the type of behaviour that has to stop. We must all start being honest and defend our candidate with facts and what we perceive as their strong points. Lying to gain support is the worst type of win.
To Rosevelt? Please clean up your act.

Posted by: Bulldoglover100 | March 16, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse



a. an Obama Supporter
b. a patriotic American




(be sure to keep changing your name)


never let-on that you support both McCain and Clinton


Posted by: kevinlarmee | March 16, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

I have been very upset over the fighting and to be honest I too have gone online and ranted against Hillary. When I took time to reflect on what I see happening I think race and gender are just 2 of the ways we are voiving our anger. I do not know what the rational is for the Clinton supporters but for me, being an Obama supporter, it is anger over what I perceive as having no power and my vote counting for zip/zero. I see my candidate ahead in delegates, states won, popular vote and yet everyone says the Super Delegates will give it to Clinton. That causes huge amounts of anger in the millions that have voted for him and it has to have an outlet somewhere. I also KNOW in the bottom of my heart that were this John Edwards in the position that Obama enjoys things would be different....the race would have been over because the democratic party officals would have stepped in to stop this madness that will only hand this to the Republicans come November.

Posted by: Bulldoglover100 | March 16, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

It is sad
It is funny

To see BO supporters use phrases like

regarding the actions by BO to remove the minister from his list of Religious Supporters

I hope he moves a tad more quickly then 20 years of Sundays to get us out of IRAQ

How can this be quick? All the speeches - all of them are on CD in the lobby of the Church - and BO asks us to believe he did not know till 3 days or 3 weeks ago

Maybe he knew when he DIS - invited the minister -- with a whole of 12 hours to spare from his IL - I am running for Presdient opening day

Of course he knew
As he knew REZKO was a close friend
AS he knew REZKO did a walk through appraisal on his house before he bought it

But only yesterday does he say he knew to the Chicago papers

Oh yeah - he had a come (more) clean re REZKO Friday with our local papers in Chicago - I guess he prefers the bad smell of REZKO the clear and unambiguous lack of judgement in staying at a race separist church for 20 years

I am a DEM and he will get my vote vs McCain .... but I will NOT dring the Kool Aid --- and no way will I view how he acted on J Wright in positive spin - after 20 years and calling the man his MENTOR

and then asking us -- without Kool Aid - to believe he just learned in the last 3 days or 3 weeks or 3 months

NOPE - poor judgement is poor judgement and slow is slow - it can not be spun as fast 20 years of Sundays later

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Feb 8th 2008 5:22PM They say that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. So why is it the American people allow our politicians to do the same things over and over and we believe them and expect results different from previous elections ? I've looked at the websites of current and previous candidates to get an understanding of their platforms. They all have positions, some of which I agree with , some of which I don't. But there is one thing that is missing from each and everyone of them, any manner of implementation. Health care, spending cuts, retaining or repealing tax cuts, keeping or removing troops, the soundbites with pretty numbers never end. Not a single candidate provides details on how exactly they are going to accomplish anything. Don't they realize that economists exists to make lottery ticket buyers look smart, not presidential candidates ? It reminds me of business plans I get from kids who tell me about their vision and project all kinds of numbers leading to grand results. They can site historical facts and figures, but when it comes time to get into details of exactly how they are going to execute on their plans, the response is basically that they will figure it out as they go. I wouldn't invest in a business that is winging it any more than I want to vote for a presidential candidate that is winging it. Unfortunately , they are all winging it. i have no question that they have every detail about how to spend their campaign contributions on advertising planned out. I have yet to see details on how they plan to accomplish all their great promises they are making to voters. That scares me. It also scares me that despite claims of not being an "insider" or wanting a different vision for America, every remaining candidate spends more energy campaigning to their party than to the issues. I got sick watching Clinton and Barack argue about who was less of a "Reaganite" during one of their few lively debate exchanges. I actually started to get a little bit excited about McCain. Then he went on the warpath to "mend his riff" with the Republican Party. I can only speak for myself, but the fact that he had a "riff" with the Republicans is exactly why i started to get excited about him. No, he hadn't presented any more details on his plans than any other candidate, but there was a glimmer of hope that he was a candidate that thought for himself. (And before all the comments start, Ron Paul is the worse of all the candidates when it comes to detailing how he would execute on his promises. Just saying you are going to cut and eliminate everything doesn't mean you know how to do it and/or could get it done.) So here we are, our country has the same problem we have every four years, our remaining candidates are politicians. They know how to spend other people's money. They know how to assign responsibility to someone else. They know how to beg for other people's money. They know how to campaign, schmooze and kiss babies. They have no earthly idea how to accomplish any of their promises. So here is my hope. My hope is that the entire primary process is just the preseason. That its nothing more than an expensive introduction to the Republican and Democratic candidates and once they have picked their winner, a wealthy individual will nominate them self to compete with the 2 parties and run for President. Are you listening Mayor Bloomberg ? For less than the cost of opening a tent pole movie, you can change the status quo . I'm not saying that I'm going to vote for you yet. As I said above, the devil is in the details. But, I'm betting that unlike the current choices, you recognize the difference between politics and results. PermalinkEmail thisLinking BlogsComments [87]

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81. Dear Mr. Cuban, I agree with you about Mayor Bloomberg. Now, can you use your celebrity to give him a push. I've signed the petition to draft him, which is purely symbolic. Perhaps someone in your position can explain to him just how many people are out here hoping he'll run. This is NOT my first election and I'm no longer interested in voting for the lesser of all the evils. Thanks. Posted at 12:34PM on Feb 12th 2008 by Steve Sparks 82. Maybe you should have Ron Paul on HDNet so he could detail how he would do what he wants to do. Posted at 1:08PM on Feb 12th 2008 by penxv 83. Ron Paul is the best of all the candidates when it comes to how to get the government out of our way so we can be a more productive and free country. Does not your success story include initial failures where the "how" was not understood or executed correctly? Having the right "what" will cover the "how" mistakes much better than the opposite. Posted at 4:33PM on Feb 12th 2008 by Ken Bacon 84. Interesting thoughts on our country's political process. Until changed, this is how it works here. If things worked right, you would pick a wildly rich business person, the next guy would pick the Pope and still another would pick a skin-head. What say everyone's name go into a hat and a drunk monkey pick it? Odds are it would turn out to be an average working stiff trying to get ahead while the taxes on his efforts pile up by the boatload - someone who might appreciate how much it costs to fly Air Force One. Posted at 5:11PM on Feb 12th 2008 by Jim Smith 85. I'm glad you showed up, Mark! Come to New York on March 1st. That is when the Run Mike Run / Independent '08 tour bus arrives in New York after traveling cross country. Posted at 11:45PM on Feb 12th 2008 by Run Mike Run - Michael Bloomberg for President 86. NO HILLARY, NO OBAMA, MAY BE MCCAIN AND NO TO REVEREND DR KAMAL K K ROY A CANDIDATE, REPUBLICAN, MAY BE CLEAN. TO CORRUPT TO BE ELECTED TO US PRESIDENT'S JOB. WANTED A CLEAN MR/MS PRESIDENT FOR U S A. TERMS AS IN US CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF U S CONGRESS / U S A.YOU HAVE EXPIRE CHANCES TO GET INVOLVED THROUGH PRIMARIES. BUT U MAY BE DFATED THROUGH REPUBLICAN / DEMOCRATIC PARTY CONVEN PROCESS PURSUANT TO U S KLAWS,U MUST BE OPTIMALLY CLEAN POLITICIAN, EXPERIENCED IN PUBLIC SERVICE AND ACCEPTABLE TO "WE THE PEOPLE" ARE SURE HOW TO APPLY SO LATE, BUT U CAB, SALARY SEE CONGESSIONAL LAWS.





world news of discriminatory practices allowed and or practised by mrs hillary rodham clinton w/o bill linton of new york state and mr barack hussain obama both democrats in the current us presidential campaign to their efforts to be nominated as democratic party nominee in possiblbe november election 2008 if be held without order of injunction on USA govt, a defendant in actions of civil violations crippling chances od activist, reform strategist on god/s of religions of people in usa et al, religions and people of we the people in usa,etal; a currently f e c registered, on sept 27, 2007 hopeful and candidate to election to highest seat of power in usa viz u s presidential electoral competition 2008 due in november, but candidat the reverend dr kamal karna karuna roy aka joseph geronimo jr, a guam born ordained clergy,a mobile clergy in usa and in the world, a clergy on vow of poerty, i r s rule for ordained clergies to stay moderately poor and so that clergies pay no much taxes for remaiining poor and devote time in prayer to gods for benefit of follower, people: the candidate kamal now swear under penalty of perjury that human_animals' conceived god/s were turned so much irrelevants as people were catalyst to god/s theme ad purpose of lives_style of people which are gradually turning away from morales og goodness. DR ROY FILED CIVIL COMPLAINTS IN THE U S DISTRICT COURT IN TEXAS DISTRICT AT DALLAS DIVN AT 1100 COMMERCE ST DALLAS, TEXAS THAT CAMPAIGN VIOLATIONS WERE CONCEIVED BY DR ROY THAT HILLARY HAD BEEN USING,ABUSING, HARMING CHANCES OF DR ROY TO VER WIN PRESIDENCY AS SHE USED GENDER,SHE WAS A FEMALE. TO AROUSE ELETORALSENTIMENT AMONG WOMEN TO ELECT HILLARY AS A WOMAN TO BE AT WHITE HOUSE, THIS WAS LEGALLY PROCESS OF REVERSE DISCRIMINATION BY A WOMAN WHICH MAY INFLUENCE VOTER IN DALLAS , TEXAS,HILLARY USED TRICKS FOR POTITICKING ELECTION WITH SOME TEARS OF A WOMAN, AND SHE WOMN PRIMARY AMONG DEMOCRATS IN NEW HAMPSHIRE. usa IS NOT PREPARED FOR A WOMAN PRESIDENT,BUT TO WIN ELECTION BY INCITING WOMEN, MAY LEAD KAMAL ROY TO A DEFEAT AT ELECTION , KAAL AS A CANDIDATE DRAFTED,IF, AS NOMINEE OF REPULICAN PARTY TO CONTEST PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION , IF HELD WITOUT INJUNCTION TO POSTPONE/ SUSPEND THE SAID ELECTORAL COMPETITION 2008 FOR PRESIDENT, oBAMA IS USING ABUSING RACE CARD AS A CRITERION FOR INCITING NON WHITE ELECTORATE IN DALLAS AREA SO THAT KAAL MAY LOSE ELCTON. oBAMA IS TRUELY NO RACE COMPETENT TO REACH BLACK OF AFRICAN AMERICAN POPULATION IN USA. HE IS PERJURING HIS STATUS AS BLACK. HE WAS BORN OF PURE WHITE MOTHER AND AFRICAN A ORIGIN FATHER. HE IS ATMOST 1/2 WHITE AND 1/2 BLACK, HE IS HARVARD EDUCATED LAWYER AND LOT OF IMMORAL FINANCIALDEALS VIZ R/E TRANSACTION FOR HIS OWN HOUSING HAS PUT HIM TO CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS INVOVING CHEATING I R S TAXES,HIS ASSOCIATE , A REAL ESTATE DEVELPER IS PROVISONALLY IN JAil during investigations. both hillary is violative of lawful chances of kama, kamal for inciting gender of american electorate, and obama for inciting black american , prayer were made to postpone election of nov 200 for presdency if not done so, hillary and obama may be disqualified for illegal actions in politicking in campaign, to throw kamal roy in oblivion without access to seat of power, seat of leadership in usa and defacto a top leader in worle. this was a a great loss of life of a clergyman,kamal. filed on 2.14. 2008. That kamal roy could be drafted as repulican nominnee to be drafte as republican party nominee at general election is a basis of probable damages and ground for cvil action,see matters of kamal karna roy in any possible site with words kamal, karna rou junle democracy republican hopeful presideny candidate etc

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Comments: the reverend dr kamal karna karna roy candidate_republican filed his sixth federal civil action in the united states district court for texas regions at dallas division at 1100 commerce st dallas, tx to complain and to disqualify in the coming u s presidential electoral competition on the ground that both hillary r clinton w/o bill clinton, newyorker and mr barack hussain obama of chicago illiois , both u s senators were engaged in violative conducts in campaign vix hillary used tear_politicking of average u s women to incite woman voters his her gender presumably termed female , evidenced in campaign in new Hampshire, to win primary.and obama was engage in race and color of skin of 1/2 of one as african american breed. .he is discriminating his 1/2 american wite bree as us born citizen to use discrimination to his benefit to be elected as u s president.though hillary of obama have close to zero % chance of winning the current election of 2008 as the great nation is behind in thoughts to elect a woman as u s president or usa is not ready to think of a half american breed person to be elected as u s President,Thar hillary or obama can maintain hopes as hopes are free of cost, but obama'sillegal use of color inciting tackticks needs scrutiny of laws and courts and hillary's use of gender, although she is equivalent to a male politician, white or black, as evidence in new hampshire,arkansas r/e scandals nerver fully investigated, of campaign money of u s $ five millions trail, such alleged corruption is close to obama;s scandalous r/e deal and financing of his chicago. the person who in earlier days of chicago politicking OF OBAMA, is in PRISON, ALREADY. :goodby hillary and obama for your sky hollo ambitions for almost highest seat of power as u s president nov 2008 election due in november. furthermore we applied to above court at dallas to disqualify for aout 8 years to lifelife for your divisive ttitude of people based on gende (hillary as a shrewd woman tried to grab woen population to her voting favor. oba tried to split sizable black vote by posing he was as if pure oppressed in u s of america, obama you smell almost white white flavor as african american father and pure white u s anerican mother and that way 1/2 and 1/2milk type.your wife as a trined lawyer, as reported in news media u ar like a privileged white family,then why u go for fooling oppressed african american to sieze powere of a u s president.Just u are not qualifiedorexpienced of a u s president ability; gin correctness of character of u as a person of integrity and earn ability thn u may try again for presidency,bama u are no martin luther king jr or a john f kennedy type of calibre Better u try your spare time beyond job of u s senator, to earn some extra $ for your family or pl step into oblivion to end your wrong dream, U are of couse have daydreams ther are no feral taxes payable yet for actual day dreams. we suggest u better clear yourark cloud over your character in your many professional deals ,u as a lawyer. your deal with a r /e developer of sirian origin american appeared so lousy that we the people want the federal and ste authorities may complete investigations on thje deal as the sirian_akerican concerned is n jail for a reason or other. we hope u do not end up with violative misconducts which kmy lead to not to white house rather in jail house, or correctional facility of govt authorities. reported byrev gargi r lahiri in associations or voluntary executives engaged to promote views of the reverend dr kmal karna roy aka joseph jr, was born in guam,d o b 3. 31.1934

Posted by: LISANROY | March 16, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

It might be a wise idea for someone to remove the New Black Panther Party page from the official Obama 08 web site.

Posted by: charing60 | March 16, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Doesn't the Bible strongly suggest that the purpose of religion should be to "comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable"? Seems to me Rev. Wright did just that. Sorry that so many sheeple (probably dulled by their own religious practices) can't see that Wright's preaching is in the best TRUE religious tradition. Are you comfortable and afflicted by what you've heard the last few days? Good.

Posted by: flarrfan | March 16, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

It is anathema to say that American foreign policy could ever possibly be carried out in our own self-interest, resulting in desrved animosity toward our nation. Why is that? It is anathema to say that black people continue to suffer from discrimination in our country. Why is that? Freedom of speech is a good thing, but what we have in this country is a self-imposed collective psychological oppression of expression that could only have resulted in one thing -- collective neurosis.

Posted by: johnnormansp | March 16, 2008 6:38 AM | Report abuse

christamarvaracilla-Ohhh, you are sooo right! There are all kinds of Racists everywhere! Racists here, Racists there, racists racists everywhere!
Ohhhhh Dang those WHITE Racists who cannot bear hearing people who were never Slaves, or who never even met someone who was, talk about SLAVERY!
The Bitter and screwed up Racists! Those "WHITE" People Racists!

NOW, ME, I am different!

I have NOTHING against someone like Barack Hussein! :-)

In Fact, I think everyone aught to own at least One or Two! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 16, 2008 4:56 AM | Report abuse

People are sick of the race of the card. One can just look at these Google Trends charts and the demographic visitor report from Hillary and Barack's web pages to see that race has been an issue;

Hillary vs. Barack-
Pennsylvania and Nationwide Analysis on the Democratic Candidates Internet Efforts:

Posted by: davidmwe | March 16, 2008 4:02 AM | Report abuse

To the Canadian Geezer: Thank you for your very cerebral, thoughtful reflection on this country. Our credibility and security has been greatly diminished and I am still hopeful that Barack Obama can restore our credibility. So many have immigrated to AMERICA - HOME OF THE BRAVE AND LAND OF THE FREE to enjoy the Constitutional freedoms for which so many brave people, including mine and Rev. Jeremiah Wright, fought, sacrificed and died. Now people come to America and say not, "what can I do for America, but what can America do for me?"

Sadly, the ugly attacks on Rev. Wright and Senator Obama are by people that no other country wanted. America has been much to generous with our immigration policy and we are suffering the consequence.

Ignorance and racism are synonymous! America's greatest sin is slavery! It is delusional to believe that America has been kind to African Americans. The most silent places during slavery were the churches in the south. Rev. Jeremiah Wright is exercising his Constitutional first amendment right for which African Americans fought, sacrificed and died. Rev. Wright served this country as a Marine and has earned the right to admonish his country for it's many egregious sins. Any insidious ingrate that is too fragile for our cherished Constitutional freedoms for which so many brave people, including Rev. Jeremiah Wright's, excluding Irish Catholics, Jews, Italians, etc., sacrificed so much, should find another country. Bon Voyage!


Posted by: Chagrined | March 16, 2008 3:20 AM | Report abuse

As a Canadian I can't help but feel that you are a doomed country. There is nothing to read but the vitriol of your citizens for the presidential candidates such as Mr. Obama and of course the aspersions that are being cast left to right on any and all ....

Shame on the lot of you ... you may feel that you are without sin in this world but the world sees you and your country quite differently than what you imagine. Mr. Obama has given the rest of the world a faint glimmer of the promise that America once represented to that effect and as summarized by your great poet Emma Lazarus ...

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

All three remaining candidates are now subjected to the revilement of anyone who carries anger, hatred and evil in their hearts. The unreasoned and unnecessary rancor, bitterness and gall shown in the posts previously posted here would make any thinking person sick at heart.

Mr. Obama and the other candidates are only 'traveled' fellow humans and as such have come and stayed in contact with many unsavory and offensive people over their lifetimes .... as have we all.

Obama and for that fact Ms. Clinton & Mr. McCain are neither the devil incarnate or a deliverer from the current woes that beset America ... I suggest you all had better "Pull up your socks" as a nation and pitch in to try and preserve what is best about your union .... leave the vileness in the dark ... the light of decency has never been so apparently needed by so many. I think that is what Mr. Obama has been trying so desperately to convey to those who would pause to think of the ramifications of current political actions on the generations to come.

From the far northern woods ... Good Night ... and ... Good Luck!

The Canadian Geezer

Posted by: charlieallnutt | March 16, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

The vast majority of the people commenting here don't DESERVE to have Obama as pres., especially any of you who cite Fox News as a credible source regarding Democratic primary coverage (uh, why do you think they boycotted that channel?). What you all deserve is a 80 year old white Republican who wants to further devastate our economy and national standing by leaving us in Iraq for "at least 100 years", or better yet, in Iran. Apparantly a lot of you think 200 years of slavery isn't that big a big deal, and that they should just "get over it". Is the view nice from the top of the glass ceiling? And I take it you've had a lot of experience being black? I applaud the Obama campaign for constantly refraining from smear tactics, cause Lord knows we couldn't keep track of all the people the Clinton's have had contact with who have ever said/done anything wrong. MSM can go screw themselves, THEY'RE the ones making this primary about race/sex.

Posted by: Terrorfied | March 16, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

For everyone jumping on Obama, I ask you: Have you ever said anything that could be contsrued as racist? How about just inflamatory? Now, while you're thinking about that, I ask you: How should we punish your friends and family for knowing you?

Posted by: christamarvaricella | March 16, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse


you may think that it's just a couple of "loonies"....but it's not.

It's an organized campaign.

And it's the same people who campaigned for the war in Iraq (and now Iran)

(their methods, smears; their signature is unmistakable)

It's not a couple of "loonies", instead it's an organized campaign

and the purpose is not (just) to promote Hillary, or McCain...

(either of whom would be fine for them)

The real purpose is to promote WAR

Posted by: kevinlarmee | March 16, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

"Why should he devote his life - as he has - to public service? Why would any rational person question his patriotism when he's sacrificed an entire year of his life - and his family's - trying to do something positive for this country..."

That's what all the crooks in Chicago politics say. They're devoting their life to public service.

Posted by: malo8000 | March 15, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

"Obama cannot play the "shocked" and "didn't know" game about Wright's rhetoric. If he didn't know then he should have. His advisors should have told him how bad this would be. What blows my mind is that he didn't have any plan on how to deal with this bomb when it hit the media, like he didn't ever think it would come up."

That's because he's got an entitlement mentality and he knows those with liberal guilty will not question anything.

Can you imagine someone thinking of running for school board let alone president knowing they had 20 or more scoflaw parking tickets outstanding.

Posted by: malo8000 | March 15, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse does this mean Barack is White after all or that he is just distancing himself for expediency? Everyone I know believes Barack's true sentiments will be revealed but not admitted until after the election so its a good thing we can pretty much guess what they are.

Posted by: rabidfoxcontrol | March 15, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

"Was his opposition to the war in 2002 simply 'natural' for Obama, as opposed to a considered judgmental call? This is what Obama has to answer to the swift-boaters in the fall election, if Democrats nominate him."

The week before his interview in which he was quoted as being against the war, the NAACP passed a unanimous resolution against the war.

Being from where he was, if he'd done anything else the lefty profs at University of Chicago would have strung him up if not his constituents.

Posted by: malo8000 | March 15, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

"Was his opposition to the war in 2002 simply 'natural' for Obama, as opposed to a considered judgmental call? This is what Obama has to answer to the swift-boaters in the fall election, if Democrats nominate him."

The week before his interview in which he was quoted as being against the war, the NAACP passed a unanimous resolution against the war.

Being from where he was, if he'd done anything else the lefty profs at University of California would have strung him up if not his constituents.

Posted by: malo8000 | March 15, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

The racist hate-filled Rev. Wright has good qualities according to Obama.

Traudl Junge, Hitler's secretary wrote,
"I admit, I was fascinated by Adolf Hitler. He was a pleasant boss and a fatherly friend. I deliberately ignored all the warning voices inside me and enjoyed the time by his side almost until the bitter end."

All people, even the most vile, have some good qualities. Intelligent people, even politicians, must look at the totality of a person's deeds in making character decisions. Obama has failed a very important test of his leadership ability.

I had thought about supporting Obama at one time; but it's obvious that he had me and a lot of people fooled. I now believe the words of the reverend and Obama's wife that they do hate America and all white people. Shame on Obama and his anti-American and anti-white support group. This isn't some job at the local school board - this is the most powerful position in the world.

The MTV crowd will continue to support him because they're naive and caught up in their desire to be progressive thinkers. He's young,cute, and says "change" a lot, you know. I can picture the Reverend and Obama having a good laugh at how they had duped those stupid college kids into joining the O superstar bandwagon.

A magazine published by Rev. Wright's daughter awarded a lifetime achievement award last year to Louis Farrakhan for his social work in Chicago's black neighborhoods. The Nation of Islam leader has a history of anti-Semitism.
Sorry, no amount of spin will alter the facts of where Obama's loyalty is rooted.

After hearing the two people closest to Obama, the reverend and Obama's wife, I now truly believe that there's a chance that someone who hates America will be the next president. Be afraid, be very afraid.

One more thing, I've been in church most of my life and can't imagine my pastor demeaning blacks, saying Goddamn America, or making humping motions with his hips when talking about a girl (Monica L.) and President Clinton who has always been a friend of African Americans. The scary thing is the entire congregation acted like they were all in agreement with his hate sermon. Actually, it looked like an Apollo comedy routine. And Obama called this "preacher" his friend and spiritual adviser for 20 years. I don't know what's harder to believe - that Obama listens to Rev. Wright or that this man is a man of God. America really is the land of opportunity.

Posted by: ex_con | March 15, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

This is really a storm from a tea cup. First, did the pastor say these things in the past few days or is a replay of a few sentences he said cherry-picked (maybe) out of text from his sermons in the past 20 years? Second, Oprah goes to this church and so do a lot of other people. Should they feel sinful?

Should Hillary feel sinful because she lives in the same household with someone who's sextual affairs have tarnished the White House and the houses they lived before?

We need to judge the person's words and deeds not the people who are around.

Posted by: xjennytucker | March 15, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Racism is a reality not fiction STILL.
Affluent black folks tend to forget the
ghetto. A shame.Black poor kids do not have babysitters nor supervised study time.
they are left alone to be mentally massacred by the entertainment industry barack prefers to dance with rejecting censorship and suggesting parental control should be enough.
He is not thinking in those millions of children who have nothing more than a lonely tv set in their homes.

Posted by: tabita | March 15, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Much ado about nothing. Barack Obama is not responsible for the comments of each and every person around him any mre than John Mc Cain or Billary. We must focus on him and what he believes in. When we focus on the actual candidates and not the beyond belief dummies sometimes surrounding them we will find Barack Obama to be the preferable choice for POTUS this election. Will Mc Cain be tied to those who think our country was founded to kill Muslims or that God struck New Orleans because there was a gay parade scheduled for the day Katrina hit? Lets go with the guy who did not support the stupid proven no reason war that has bled us of massive amounts of money and taken 4000 of our nations patriotic youth to say nothing of the thousands maimed. I for one will continue to support Barack Obama due to his integrity, intellect and judgment.


Posted by: pedraza1 | March 15, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

When I read some of the asinine comments posted here, I wonder why Obama even would even want to be President of this United States. Why should he devote his life - as he has - to public service? Why would any rational person question his patriotism when he's sacrificed an entire year of his life - and his family's - trying to do something positive for this country - a nation of narrow-minded bigots and uneducated fools. If the Democrats squander their chance to nominate this fine man - I, and many other Independent voters and the thousands of young people who apparently - thank God - can see past the tedious racial divisions that amazingly still exist in the country, will either stay home or vote for McCain I guess. It's not going to be Clinton.

Posted by: literate1 | March 15, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

MLK, JFK, Jefferson, Duval Patrick -- now he thinks he's RFK !!


Might want to ask his son for permission to now impersonate his father. Since Robert Kennedy Jr. is an adamant supporter of Hillary Clinton.

Mr. Obama has more brass than a brains.

Way more.

Posted by: Thinker | March 15, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama is calling for "Unity" today. Rings.... empty!!! As he fights tooth and nail against Florida and Michigan voters rights.

Everything he does is so "convenient" - for himself.

Invoking JFK and RFK today, once again Obama steals the words of great men to promote himself. Men who would be able to see through him in a heartbeat. Men Obama's life doesn't hold a birthday candle to. He has a lot of nerve - a lot of ego.

He might want to ask permission from RFK Jr. before using his father's words. RFK Jr. is a strong and adamant Hillary supporter.

He thinks he's going to tell us what to think and do. He's going to change the conversation from his lies, his cockiness, his lack of a resume, his inexperience, his unelectability, his kitchen sink full of his own dirty dishes. He thinks over a weekend he's going to step up and tell us what to think, say this say that and wave that famous magic wand of his and all his troubles and any consequence of them are are going to disappear. Everyone will BELIEVE every word he says. Boy, his mother must have given him the wrong idea about responsibility.

We aren't at all all enamored with him.

What Mr. Obama needs to do is to retire with his "spiritual adviser" and his wife. Maybe they'd all prefer Africa. They are very popular over there and they don't have to pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States. They could be proud of where they are. Hate for them to be false or anything. It should help them if they're living in their favorite land. Maybe the Kenyan flag would be easier to get that hand over your heart for?

Kind of a hard life - aspiring to everything white, yet hating and cursing it on Sunday! And through Christ no less!

Posted by: Thinker | March 15, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama, I couldn't have said it any better. Most of us are sick of the divisions, the backward-looking blame game, and the old politics. We're also sick of the 1-hour cycle news media that has to focus on ridiculous sideshows in order to get our eyeballs - but you can't do anything about that.

What you can do is lift our spirit as a nation, give us confidence, help us take the highroad among nations once again, and stop the politics of division. You are wise beyond your years, level-headed, articulate, and you want to take America where we want to go.

Posted by: jay_casey | March 15, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Was his opposition to the war in 2002 simply 'natural' for Obama, as opposed to a considered judgmental call? This is what Obama has to answer to the swift-boaters in the fall election, if Democrats nominate him.

It would seem Obama's opposition to the war was very natural to him, if he had not rejected the positions of Rev. Wright when it occurred. If he had not even heard about it, Obama might not even qualify for the position of a police officer, let alone that of the Commander-in-Chief.

But how is it possible he had not even heard about it until Thursday, except one incendiary incident a year ago?

Many of us gave him credit for being among the few who questioned the wisdom of going to war in Iraq. Now I wonder if it was only natural to him in that it was clearly the position of his mentor and at least agreed to by a vast segment of the congregation!

Posted by: joeintexas | March 15, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

In a way it is sad. While I had many questions regarding Barack HUSSEIN Obama. It was always about what he was not saying. Was he too good to be true???? I questioned a childhood with 2 Muslim fathers, with is schooling in a Muslim Country. I called him a used car salesman... because he was selling himself as a cross between MLK and JFK. He always had an answer for every thing.

Then I watched him on FOX NEWS tonight.

He has lied to the American People about his being an Agent of Change. He is a TYPICAL want-a-be Power Broker as President or as Senator. He will tell the American People What HE thinks that WANT to hear if it will advance his power base.

There are too many massive holes that have been opened up about his lack of sound decision making regarding his choice of FRIENDS/MENTORS.

He can not handle the difficult questions regarding his relationship with his PASTOR. He KNEW about his PASTOR'S VIEWS... yet did nothing, said nothing UNTIL he decided to Run FOR PRESIDENT.

Like most people... when he does not tell the truth... he BLINKS HIS EYES VERY QUICKLY. (As seen in FOX NEWS.)

HE DOES NOT WANT TO DISCUSS THE ISSUE, thinks that by kicking out Wright that he will continue to steam way his road to the Presidency.

For centuries people have shown that they PREFER to be with PEOPLE that think like themselves, have the same beliefs, the same religious beliefs and generally will live in the same area where their FRIENDS LIVE.

By is direct association with the Church and the Pastor for 20 years it would appear that HUSSEIN Obama... believed and felt the same way as others in his church. That may be okay... in the Black Community... but for the rest of America.. i think anything Church/PASTOR that is anti-American definitely raises questions about the truth religious beliefs OF ANY INDIVIDUAL. If you add to the concept. Michele Obama has indicated that she IS FINALLY PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN. And this would indicate a family value. Note that his children go to the best private schools.


Mainstream media needs to continue to find out what Barack HUSSEIN Obama values are.

Note that the Black individuals that are reporters or analysts with the campaign.. are ANGRY that anyone would question THEIR

If the Democrats continue to SUPPORT this guy... then McCain will be the next PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES. Because the REPUBLICANS will eat him alive on the campaign trail.

Posted by: miller51550 | March 15, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

I totally agree with TeddyRoosevelt's blog specifically "In the past 2 days Obama has lost his credibility on character, his credibility on judgement and his credibility on electability. He has nothing left to run on in the general election. Obama cannot play the "shocked" and "didn't know" game about Wright's rhetoric. If he didn't know then he should have. His advisors should have told him how bad this would be. What blows my mind is that he didn't have any plan on how to deal with this bomb when it hit the media, like he didn't ever think it would come up. So much for good judgment!"

I would like to add that in addition to the unAmerican/ anti-American/ hateful comments made by his close friend/spirtual adviser Reverend Wright,

The Trumpet, a publication of his Church selected in JANUARY 2008, Louis Farrakhan as their man of the year! Senator OBama did not oust Reverend Patterson from his campaign or more importantly no longer attend his Church as a result.

Wake up America !

Posted by: arvin_scott | March 15, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a healing force not a wounding force and those of us who wish to heal need to stand up and be counted.

Posted by: jahresources | March 15, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't feel that Obama has shown the "judgement to lead" -- at least not where this country needs to go. He has nice words, but 20 years of sitting in the pew of this spiritual advisor speaks volumes.

Posted by: warhol15 | March 15, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I proudly displayed my Obama sticker for a year, and I've contributed to his campaign when I really didn't have the money to spend. In the past 2 days Obama has lost his credibility on character, his credibility on judgement and his credibility on electability. He has nothing left to run on in the general election. Obama cannot play the "shocked" and "didn't know" game about Wright's rhetoric. If he didn't know then he should have. His advisors should have told him how bad this would be. What blows my mind is that he didn't have any plan on how to deal with this bomb when it hit the media, like he didn't ever think it would come up. So much for good judgement! Obama should ask John Edwards to return and turn over all his delegates to him. If the Wright stuff had happened in January Obama would have sunk and Edwards or Biden might still be alive. What about Gore/Edwards? We need a new candidate! Neither Hillary or Obama can unite the broken Democratic Party.

Posted by: TeddyRoosevelt | March 15, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Re: Common Dreams

From today's "Head of State"

Saturday, March 15, 2008
Kosi Fan Tutte: Unity and Division

Thus do they all.

A few thoughts:

There is a time in the life of a new movement when limbic outrage combines with the glimpsed promise of a new and expanded platform. The initial rush from nonentity to prominence has carried them forward together, but standing on that platform, however low or small, the view creates a burgeoning space in the self--a place of surprised importance--first that their voice is heard, then a question of deserving such a place, which becomes affirmed with each passing day that they hold their new small staff--a place where the narcissism of small differences can take over. "Can I?" The internal voice asks. So close to the emotions of the initial rush of emotions, which were felt together, this new rush of emotion must be right. If they can...if they did...if we can I!

Thus do half-formed, ill-considered second revolutions often take place. The first wave was too heady to consider the splinters of emotion, ambition, pride, and how these might combine with actual ideological difference. The move forward was collective, as was the new degree of influence--but the experience of power, however slight, was individual, and could be triggered into the disparate directions seen all too often in the impulsive spatters across time that we, if noticed, call history.

The impulse--anger, wounded narcissism--comes first, quickly followed by a now slightly practiced, or at least slightly observed, ambitious idea. It is then that words and concepts are appropriated, to provide apparent substance and heft to the initial reaction--"strike" or "abuse"; "freedom" or "censorship"; or, in other similar cases, "patriotism" and "nationalism".
Thresholds are set and described after the reaction--a post hoc "it was too much" "we have had enough." Such justifications provide a new form of heady reaction--perhaps the impulse, raw and initially unmitigated, now propped up by the buttresses that follow, not only feels good...but is right!

In such ways does unity often fall apart. The smaller purposes--which we must, we must put forward upon principle, rarely consider the larger principles to which they, often moments before, were firmly committed. It creates the seemingly paradoxical but historically common situation in which a small excitement is able to fully cover a larger objective to create a blind spot, a canyon into which the blinded march with excitement, until the excitement passes, and they survey the terrain around them. We have seen this in 1917, in 1946, in 2002--three examples among countless manifestations across time. Such splinterings typically lead the electorate to search for solid ground in the midst of seeming chaos under "strong", "solid", "traditional" leadership.

Many of those who would today march into the canyon are those who decried Ralph Nader's 2000 stand--who saw the narcissism within the "principled stand", and the larger consequences that such blindness could create.

We have lived under 7 years of an Administration that can be plausibly credited to the excited, impulsive acts, narrowly bounded by limited justifications beyond which was a willed sea of darkness, of that time.

Now, in the acts of a group still fresh with the sense of a new and unexpected influence, we see this phenomenon again: moving impulsively into action, without providing even a full consideration of what it is that they call their act (a "strike" like those taken by workers who give up their jobs and pay?); without providing the evidence upon which they base their claim (to demonstrate the "abuse" would only be to repeat it--or to demonstrate their similar use of language against those that they found unsuitable or unworthy); and without--or perhaps, excitedly, with--a consideration of the consequences.

We see much of the media drawn towards similarly small differences. One such example, as cited in today's LA Times:

CBS CEO Les Moonves "is cheered by the fact that the Democratic race is continuing and that John McCain is raising lots of money to combat the eventual Democratic nominee. 'That's music to our ears,' Moonves said. 'We want this to be as long and as dirty as humanly possible.'"

However, online leaders, at the very least, are subject to considerably fewer constraints, such as shareholders and ratings, than major media, and have considerably greater latitude to shape and drive a new dialogue towards substantive change.

With self-importance comes actual importance. With excited, elevated action comes consideration of and responsibility for the actions.

We should all be proud of the force that we, collectively, have brought to bear on an electorate that, only a decade before, was far less informed on issues of political and personal consequence. The ease with which our voices can reach into the world can create a more powerful unity of purpose towards overarching goals that we share--or a greater and more rapid ability to splinter amongst our smaller differences.

Take a deep breath. Recognize and appreciate the importance and impact of your role--with the human responsibility that your impact now has, and without the tendency towards defense and excitement that exists in all of us. Consider your stand. Ask what you really want for yourselves and for others in the next four or eight years.

A quickly and tenuously built stand can provide a temporary, if illusory, exhilaration. However, a considered and firmly built platform provides a view that lasts for years, can see over and past the canyons--and beyond for many miles.

Head of State

Posted by: robthewsoncamb | March 15, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Reality Check for all of the Racist, Bitter, Hate-Driven Losers who think they have something to complain about, a Country to Resent, and feel owed for anything.

Last time I checked, there is not another Country that a Person of African decent, has a better chance to have an outstanding life FULL of OPPORTUNITIES, than the United States.

I have the Right to complain. I get NO "Special Consideration" for MY Race. I DEMAND a Level Playing Field from NOW ON! :-[

Between Birth and the final stages of Life, STUPID DESTRUCTIVE ARROGANT Behavior is RARELY Rewarded!

Get OVER Yourselves! Or, please tell the Millions of People of Color trying to get in, NOT TO! ;~)

Posted by: rat-the | March 15, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

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