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The Meaning of Murtha

By Paul Kane
Pennsylvania Rep. John P. Murtha's endorsement of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton yesterday marked her first big superdelegate pick-up since the March 4 primaries. But the biggest endorsement value of Murtha, whose Johnstown-based district won't yield many Democratic votes for either candidate, may be in the power he commands among a handful of acolytes in the state's delegation. He could play a pivotal role in bringing along more Clinton supporters among the all-important superdelegates.

Three other Pennsylvania Democrats who are devout Murtha supporters -- Reps. Robert Brady, Michael Doyle and Tim Holden -- have also been undeclared so far in the presidential campaign. Murtha's support for Clinton makes it possible all three superdelegates could line up behind the dean of their state delegation.

Brady is a local party boss in Philadelphia and Doyle a key player in Pittsburgh-area politics. Holden represents the exurbs of Philadelphia, stretching from Reading to parts of York.

All three junior Democrats were prominent backers of Murtha's failed bid for House majority leader, and all three are regularly seated in the far southeastern corner of the House chamber, affectionately known as "Murtha Corner", where the lawmaker holds court and crafts appropriations deals.

Murtha is also the closest ally of Speaker Nancy Pelosi's to endorse Clinton, who had previously watched many of the publicly neutral speaker's close House friends endorse Obama.

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If Hillary loses the nomination to Obama, I wish she would quit the ungrateful Democratic party and run as an independent. Then when she has beaten the pants off of Obama and McCain she should have Murtha as her VP. It would be a winner for the American people.

Posted by: nonna1 | March 21, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I haven't made a decision yet--

Alot of what is being said is based on wishful thinking, I believe--

Separately-I do believe laws should protect people's right to vote--No technicality should be above this!! This is America!

Also-Let's raise our language folks!

Who will be able to better stand the 'heat' in the white house?

Finally-Let's keep our cool so that we can assess the data!

Let's be civil to each other! That way everybody wins!

Posted by: marshal2 | March 20, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Murtha is the type of representative that play the political game to better his own self-interest. He is not a Democrat; neither are Pelosi, Reid, Clinton and the rest of the DLC insiders. They run an elite club of liars who make a career out of fooling the humble so they can rob them blind. Anyone endorsed by such a lemon should be view with some skepticism.

Posted by: sicnarfe | March 20, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

newagent99 wrote:
"Murtha has the balls to do what's right.
Obama is still a child who whines

Posted by: newagent99 | March 19, 2008 12:31 PM"

You are a WANKER! Go stick your wanger in a guillotine. You sound the whiney little snot-nosed creep. Perhaps you're missing part of your genetalia.

Posted by: sicnarfe | March 20, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Murtha was admirable at one time when he spoke so boldly against the war, but he FIZZLED out. His exposed big money connections and now the endorsement of Ms Clinton show the true more-of-the-same money and connection congress Murtha is part of.

Posted by: gtown48 | March 20, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

"..... Shouldn't the President be the one, the only one that is capable of uniting people and solve problems without letting any problem turn into crises? The inspiration, my ability to relate to people instead of using intimidation or fight-posture, and my ability to manage or analyze contingencies and draw necessary conclusions and judgments define domestic and national security for America. Such qualification leads to getting problems solved without heading into crises that will bruise and drain America and wound our economy and every other thing! That's REAL security! That's the REAL experience you need! That's Barack Obama! We don't have to use force when we don't have to use force! If experience leads to consistently bad judgments, then what is that experience? You be the judge! How can someone who does not mind duping Ohio and Texas into voting for her with lies on NAFTA be your President? How can Hillary Clinton be the President of this great nation if her experience is on lies, innuendos, and accusing Obama wrongly for what she herself is doing? She is both Ms and Mrs. Hood Wink Wink and double-talk! Make Hillary pay for Ohio and Texas! Run away from HILLARY! Leave her alone! She is TOO DESPERATE to be the President of this United States of America. Her mind won't be steady at 3:00 a.m. I will make the right judgment at 3:00 a.m., all a.ms., and all p.ms. given the circumstances of the call! People's lives are at stake; therefore no one can jump into quick and un-chewed decision without consulting the Presidential cabinet or even the congress or even the American people. Run away from misjudgment. [EVEN the '3 a.m. Ad' Girl Wants Obama to Answer Call.] Let's vote Obama President and let us deliver Change We Can Believe In. YES WE CAN!"

As someone commented earlier, "Clinton's marginal wins in Ohio and Texas came from the tens of thousands of Republicans who are beginning to vote for her to stop Obama, whom they see as a much stronger challenger against McCain. They are voting Clinton now, but they will vote McCain in the fall. And Clinton will have alienated young voters (female as well as male), black voters, moderate voters, independent voters, white voters with higher incomes and more education, and just about everyone else she needs to win except older women and white males. Her true base is thin and narrow, and she cannot win a general election."

Posted by: strongblood | March 19, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Who is Rep. Murtha? Is he really independent or have a personal agenda? America: you better for for this man OBAMA. He is the real deal at such a time in the American history. DEMS can't help but lose in November if they nominate Clinton. Futhermore, Clinton will be an inferior choice for President compared to this man Obama.

"..... Shouldn't the President be the one, the only one that is capable of uniting people and solve problems without letting any problem turn into crises? The inspiration, my ability to relate to people instead of using intimidation or fight-posture, and my ability to manage or analyze contingencies and draw necessary conclusions and judgments define domestic and national security for America. Such qualification leads to getting problems solved without heading into crises that will bruise and drain America and wound our economy and every other thing! That's REAL security! That's the REAL experience you need! That's Barack Obama! We don't have to use force when we don't have to use force! If experience leads to consistently bad judgments, then what is that experience? You be the judge! How can someone who does not mind duping Ohio and Texas into voting for her with lies on NAFTA be your President? How can Hillary Clinton be the President of this great nation if her experience is on lies, innuendos, and accusing Obama wrongly for what she herself is doing? She is both Ms and Mrs. Hood Wink Wink and double-talk! Make Hillary pay for Ohio and Texas! Run away from HILLARY! Leave her alone! She is TOO DESPERATE to be the President of this United States of America. Her mind won't be steady at 3:00 a.m. I will make the right judgment at 3:00 a.m., all a.ms., and all p.ms. given the circumstances of the call! People's lives are at stake; therefore no one can jump into quick and un-chewed decision without consulting the Presidential cabinet or even the congress or even the American people. Run away from misjudgment. [EVEN the '3 a.m. Ad' Girl Wants Obama to Answer Call.] President and let us deliver Change We Can Believe In. YES WE CAN!"
"Clinton's marginal wins in Ohio and Texas came from the tens of thousands of Republicans who are beginning to vote for her to stop Obama, whom they see as a much stronger challenger against McCain. They are voting Clinton now, but they will vote McCain in the fall. And Clinton will have alienated young voters (female as well as male), black voters, moderate voters, independent voters, white voters with higher incomes and more education, and just about everyone else she needs to win except older women and white males. Her true base is thin and narrow, and she cannot win a general election."

Posted by: strongblood | March 19, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ordgobaltc | March 19, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

windrider2: you couldn't be more wrong about the republicans voting for clinton in texas and ohio. my aunt, sadly a republican, caucused for obama and told me that the majority of people in line were doing the same. it has been a republican tactic for years to vote for the weaker democratic candidate.

Posted by: Melissa18 | March 19, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I believe that Murtha is a treasonous traitor, a disgrace to the country and a man that should be brought to charges for his criminal betrayal of the marines he slandered. He is the abhorent to all the men who serve or have served for this country.
Further he has proven over his entire career to be at best self serving and at worst a coward.
Whoever he endorses should be shunned.

Posted by: flyboy8455n | March 19, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Hillary supports on CNN last night said she will give a speech now on "Gender Discrimination in America."

What an opportunistic moron! She is trying to ride on Barack's back and deliver a speech about feminism.

Barack's speech was not a ploy it was necessary to answer questions about his beliefs, honesty, and loyalty to America. Barack passed with flying colors!

If Hillary does a voluntary speech about gender discrimination in America she will fail because it will be an obvious ploy to perpetuate her as a victim in the public eye. WE ALL KNOW HILLARY IS FAR FROM BEING VICTIMIZED. Ask ALL of Bill Clinton's mistresses (that we know of!) who kept them from exposing Bill for so long.

To date we have not heard one criticism of about Hillary Clinton as a female candidate for President. You want to know why? I will tell you why. It is because she is NOT competition on the level of John McCain. If she was Hillary would have faced even more scrutiny then Barack did about his Pastor!

Posted by: ymaxoneil | March 19, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Murtha who has been an outspoken critique of the war in Iraq. has just signed on the dotted line to become the USA's biggest Knuckle Head. "Hey Soldier" r u for the war Clinton/ Mc Cane or against it Obama.
go figure $$$$$ for his 18th term.

Posted by: boverboard | March 19, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

All those lining up and supporting Clinton or McCain are the standard bearers of corporate America, business as usual on Capital Hiil and the status quo -- Obama is not beholden to any of them, thus a threat to their old school agenda of divide and conquer.

"Heh, heh, heh, heh, heh." ~ Jorge Arbusto

Posted by: BenAMarine | March 19, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Murtha has the balls to do what's right.

Obama is still a child who whines

Posted by: newagent99 | March 19, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Murtha has the balls to do what's right.

Obama is still a child who whines

Posted by: newagent99 | March 19, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Murtha's support of Clinton is logical... Obama probably can't win a general election against McCain. The recent flap with Obama's church pastor will just be another bullet McCain can use to shoot at Obama during the election.

Posted by: guysavage67 | March 19, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Murtha knows that Mr. Obama is not electable in the general election people - wake up and smell the coffee..........

Posted by: jboggan | March 19, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Murtha was for the war before he was against it, too. Makes sense he'd side with Clinton. At least he had the class to admit he'd made a mistake. Clinton takes the W approach: never admit to bad judgment, never apologize. A fine model, W.

If Sen. Clinton wins by super-delegates despite Obama's lead, I'll be part of the tsunami of Dems leaving the party for Independentville. There are millions of us out here. I hope the party is listening.

Posted by: yogi11 | March 19, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Old school crony politics or a new way. America will choose.

Posted by: thebobbob | March 19, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully, some news agency will seriously ask Murtha why decided to endorse Hillary at this stage in the nomination.

Posted by: ajtiger92 | March 19, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I was a fan of Mr. Murtha until he did this. I thought he was more independent in his thinking, and I believe some of the other posts are correct - those earmarks count.

Pennsylvania is going to be bruised and battered by the time April 22nd rolls around. Divisions are deep and growing deeper.

Posted by: bearsfan | March 19, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

CLINTON: READY TO BRING OUR TROOPS HOME!

?????????

SHE REFUSED TO SUPPORT A WITHDRAWAL OF OUR TROOPS AND IN FACT RECOMMENDED WE ADD TROOPS! That is, until the election that gave the Senate back to the Democrats in an undeniable rejection of our occupation of Iraq. Then she was silent.
NOW SHE SUPPORTS WITHDRAWAL????

HRC is a TOTAL Political Ho.

Posted by: klouth1 | March 19, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Murtha is a crook, windbag, and hypocrite. He is backing the right candidate.

Posted by: bondjedi | March 19, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Murtha himself is part of the Old Party elite, just like the Clintons, and while the Party elites may be able to steal the nomination through manipulation of rules and superdelegate votes that rescind the will of the voters and their pledged delegates, they will not win the White House in November.

Clinton's marginal wins in Ohio and Texas came from the tens of thousands of Republicans who are beginning to vote for her to stop Obama, whom they see as a much stronger challenger against McCain. They are voting Clinton now, but they will vote McCain in the fall. And Clinton will have alienated young voters (female as well as male), black voters, moderate voters, independent voters, white voters with higher incomes and more education, and just about everyone else she needs to win except older women and white males. Her true base is thin and narrow, and she cannot win a general election.

Thanks, Murtha, for helping drive the Democratic Party to defeat in November. And maybe that's for the best. We'd have a Republican in the White House faced with the overwhelming damage done by Bush, and the Democratic Party will be licking its wounds and perhaps rethinking its Old Party elitist leadership and rules.

Posted by: windrider2 | March 19, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

This is the perfect time to hold the old guard responsible and give Obama the vote in PA. Then lets see if the party hacks go against the will of the peoples vote.

Posted by: sunseeker_03 | March 19, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Heaven only knows what Hilary offered Murtha to pull his vote. Certainly nothing that might vaguely be considered coincident with the views, values and interests of America's Citizens.

We all should remember that we are notonly electing a President in November, we also have an opportunity to unseat House and Senate members who've usurped our will and undermined the interests of America's Citizens and tax payers. I've developed a voting philosophy that undeniable assures that "American's" can take back their government.

1. In the primary, if the incumbent has opposition, vote the opposition.

2. Never re-elect anybody.

3. Never allow one party to control both the Congress and the White House.

My three step philosophy prevents incumbency and bureaucracy from strangling our democracy, virtually eliminates the ability of lobbyists and special interests to gain or retain control, and insures that there will never be a shortage of "common folk" willing to serve (albeit on a short term basis) their fellow Citizens. The money factor in politics disappears.

Posted by: edweirdness | March 19, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

"the lawmaker holds court and crafts appropriations deals"
======
Kane sends heavyhanded smear message (wink wink): these corrupt people might vote with Murtha, but just because he is corrupt and they are corrupt, too. It's all about corruption, you know.

Message received:
One Word: ABSCAM
Posted by: converse

Posted by: zukermand | March 19, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

The meaning of Murtha: Birds of a feather flock together. Who better to flock with than the ethically challenged Clintons?

Posted by: barnardj1 | March 19, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Murtha is exactly the kind of earmark hogging, pork loving, institutional, inside Washington, old school dem that you would expect to go for Clinton. His generation needs to get out of the way and let the new movement in the party, spearheaded by Obama, lead now.
The Washington that Murtha and Clinton help to build stinks!

Posted by: bolande | March 19, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Another word: earmarks.

One more reason to vote Obama.

Posted by: Peejay | March 19, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

One Word: ABSCAM

Posted by: converse | March 19, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

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