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Where No Other Democratic Leader Has Dared Go


As Clinton fights to remain center stage, one prominent Obama backer is urging her to wave goodbye to the race. (Reuters).

By Dan Balz
Sen. Patrick Leahy has gone where no Democratic leader has dared go. It's time, the Vermont senator said, for Hillary Clinton to get out of the presidential race. "She ought to withdraw and she ought to be backing Senator Obama," he told Vermont Public Radio.

Clinton's campaign has spent the past two weeks trying to fight off such talk. The New York senator has argued her case that there are still 10 contests left on the calendar and that millions of Democrats deserve to be heard. She has argued that neither she nor Obama can hit the magic threshold of 2,024 delegates without the help of uncommitted superdelegates. She has argued -- correctly -- that pledged delegates aren't actually legally pledged to any candidate and can switch sides.

In every way possible, her campaign is trying to keep open any avenue that would help preserve a path to the nomination. Some of her leading fundraisers have tried to intimidate House Speaker Nancy Pelosi into backing away from comments widely interpreted as sympathetic to Obama. Her advisers continue to look for a solution that will bring Florida and particularly Michigan voters back into play. Those advisers have continued to seed doubts about Obama's strength as a general election candidate.

The bitterness and frustration on both sides is growing. Near-daily conference calls by the two campaigns heap invective upon invective. Even if most of what is said on those calls is quickly lost to history, their fevered nature enlarges the gulf that eventually will have to be bridged once there is a nominee.

Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean has given a series of interviews over the past 24 hours making two points. First, that the candidates and their advisers tone things down. Second, that superdelegates move quickly, once the primaries are over in early June, so that the fight doesn't spill onto the convention floor in Denver.

Dean said he remains confident that the party will know its nominee before the convention opens in late August. But he expressed doubt that anyone will be driven from the race prematurely. "Both these candidates believe that they can win this," he said. "And so I think we're going to be in for a tough primary fight between now and...June 3rd," he added.

Dean was dismissive that a council of party elders should step in and tell one of the candidates to quit. "Look, I've been a candidate. You don't step in and tell a candidate to get out of the race," he said on MSNBC Friday morning. "Nobody does that, and nobody's ever done that."

Well, Leahy has now done that. As an Obama supporter, he does not come to this as a neutral party. The question is whether he will embolden others, whether Obama supporters or neutral Democrats, to come forward and join him.

The presidential campaign is playing out in multiple venues right now. As recent polling has reminded everyone, developments obsessed over by talking heads often have far less resonance among most voters. For many Americans, what Obama and Clinton are saying every day about, say, the cost of health care or college tuition or job retraining or the home mortgage crisis is far more compelling.

But more and more Democrats are now worrying openly about the damage that the Clinton-Obama competition may inflict on the party. They fear that John McCain is getting a free ride as he opens his general election campaign. Some analysts say the answer to that is for Obama and Clinton to focus their attacks on McCain rather than each other.

The candidates try to follow that advice, as they did Thursday by going after McCain's views on the housing crisis. But, spurred on by their advisers and surrogates and supporters, they continue to be sucked into arguing with each other.

As she campaigns, Clinton sees enthusiastic supporters urging her to keep going. She is by nature a fighter -- a trait her advisers long have seen as one of her greatest attributes. Her husband demonstrated both in his 1992 campaign and during his presidency that hanging in when others might have quit can pay dividends. It's not in the Clintons' DNA to quit fighting. But she is also a political realist who understands as well as anyone the state of the Democratic race.

Sen. Christopher Dodd, another Obama supporter, said he hopes the Democratic race will come to a conclusion after the May 6 primaries in North Carolina and Indiana, an implicit warning to Clinton to get ready to wrap things up. But Leahy has now trumped that.

Leahy's comment may turn out to be the sound of one hand clapping, an observation by a politician given to speak his mind but not necessarily something that opens up a torrent of supporting commentary from others in the party. That is obviously Clinton's biggest worry and her campaign will be waiting nervously to see what happens next.

By Washington Post editors  |  March 28, 2008; 11:38 AM ET
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For the record, Sen. Obama himself has now said that Sen. Patrick Leahy's call for Clinton to leave the race was premature, declaring that Clinton had a right to stay in the race as long as she wanted.

"Yeah. I hadn't talked to Pat about it," Obama said when asked about Leahy's comments and if it was a premature move on the part of his surrogates.

"My attitude is that Sen. Clinton can run as long as she wants. Her name is on the ballot. And she is a fierce and formidable competitor, and she obviously believes that she would make the best nominee and the best opponent," he said. "I think that you know she should be able to compete and her supporters should be able to support her for as long as they are willing or able."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/30/842094.aspx

Posted by: JakeD | April 1, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT:-)

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)

Best regards

jacksmith...

Posted by: JackSmith1 | March 30, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

WHAT REV. JEREMIAH WRIGHT BELIEVES
News Type: Opinion -- Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:26 PM EDT
us-news, election, obama, clinton, race, wright
dugan49
When Jeremiah Wright got into a spitting contest with right wing TV host Sean Hannity last year, he at one point refused to answer Hannity's badgering questions and kept asking Hannity "Have you read James Cone, what do you know about black theology? Have you read Cone? Have you read Cone?Have you read Cone?"
James Cone is one of he founders, some say the founder, of Black Liberation Theology. Rev. Jeremiah Wright's ministry, his beliefs about America, and about life itself are formed by his attraction to and acceptance of the writings of James Cone.
Let's look at some quotes from James Cone.
____________________
"The time has come for white America to be silent and listen to black people."
"All white men are responsible for white oppression. "
"Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man 'the devil.'"
"Any advice from whites to blacks on how to deal with white oppression is automatically under suspicion as a clever device to further enslavement."
"Black suffering is getting worse, not better. . . . White supremacy is so clever and evasive that we can hardly name it." (2004)
" Jesus Christ is black therefore not because of some cultural or psychological need of black people, but because and only because Christ really enters into our world where the poor were despised and the black are, disclosing that he is with them enduring humiliation and pain and transforming oppressed slaves into liberating servants."
"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him."
"The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."
"What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. "

Posted by: theplanner | March 29, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

This is what I don't understand: Hillary Clinton states that thousands of voters will be "disenfranchised" if the Florida and Michigan votes aren't counted. Since WHEN did she care about disenfranchised voters? She would be THRILLED to wrestle the nomination out of Obama's hands by swaying superdelegates or even PLEDGED delegates to change their minds and vote for her. She needs to make up her mind as to how she really wants it to be. Are we going to protect the rights of the voters? Or is it really all about her? The woman doesn't have a lick of integrity.

Posted by: blondie92655 | March 29, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

The funny thing is that the media is the one KEEPING this race alive, not trying to kill it. The only "killing" going on in the media is in their pocketbooks -- this primary has been pure gold to them.

Just think of it this way: if the roles were reversed, Obama would have been forcefully kicked out by now if he didn't leave willingly. Because Clinton is supposedly a "fighter", she is somehow expected to overcome an insurmountable lead. Well, the fact is the only way she can do that is to go more negative than she has ever gone before, alienate Democratic voters, and lose the general election. This isn't about the American people, it's about Hillary Clinton's ego -- if she really cared, she would do what's best for the party.

Posted by: csloan999 | March 29, 2008 4:08 AM | Report abuse

It's obvious that Leahy is right on the money. Hillary needs to get a dose of reality and realize that she cannot win.

She then needs to get something she's never had: consideration for something other than her own self interest. She needs to realize she's hurting the Democratic Party, and its chances of winning in November.

Then she simply needs to GO AWAY, and SOON.

Posted by: MarthaP1 | March 29, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

Why Obama has big ears?
Because he is a liar..!
His big ears comes from his mother's white side.
He is a lawyer too.We know that lawyer or liar cannot get through the doors of heaven,the same like camel cannot get through needle ear.
MY FRIENDS HILLARY CLINTON IS NOT A HUCKABEE!HILLARY NEVER QUITS.!!

Posted by: kendreik | March 29, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA LIES IN PENNSYLVANIA ADS:
From NBC/NJ's Aswini Anburajan
GREENBURG, Pa. -- The Clinton campaign today accused the Obama campaign of "false advertising," claiming that a recent ad Obama released in Pennsylvania was disngenous because Obama has been the recipient of more than $200,000 from the oil and gas industry.
In the ad, Obama says, "I'm Barack Obama, and I don't take money from oil companies or lobbyists, and I won't let them block change any more."
Obama has taken $213,884 from the oil and gas industry as of Feb. 29th, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Sen. Hillary Clinton has taken $306,813 in that same period.
Two of Obama's campaign bundlers are also CEOs for oil and gas companies, per a list released on his campaign Web site.
Robert Cavnar, listed as a bundler who has raised between $50,000 to $100,000 for the campaign, is the chairman and CEO of Mission Resources Corp., a Houston-based firm. George Kaiser, also listed in the same $50,000 to $100,000 category, is the CEO of Tulsa-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Company.
"It's unfortunate that Senator Obama is using false advertising to explain why he can be trusted to do something about energy prices," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said. "Senator Obama says he doesn't take campaign contributions from oil companies but the reality is that Exxon, Shell, and others are among his donors."
http://tinyurl.com/2on6dr

Posted by: theplanner | March 29, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Well unless Hillary gets the nomination, after all the smear, bait and switch lies and games Obama has used, even stooping to calling the Clintons racist? I am DONE with the Democrats after this and many years as a fighter for this party. I will vote for Nader in November if Obama wins this nomination. Obama and his sleazy supporters will never represent me and the Democratic values I was raised with. Today's Democrats are useless, clueless, back stabbing, unappreciative, disorganized FOOLS who have vilified the Clintons, our proudest and most successful party representatives. It is time to disassociate with these idiots supporting Obama and the biased Democrat "leaders" running our party into the ground. OBAMA started all the infighting among Dems in '07 and his preacher / mentor is a RACIST!! I AM DONE WITH THIS UNETHICAL CUT THROAT PARTY. GO HILLARY!! ALL THE WAY!! DO NOT BACK DOWN!!

Posted by: Hillary08 | March 29, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Hurrah for BUDDY 2 a Floridian who honestly stated that their votes should not count because they were told prior that they wouldn't. How can anyone WIN A RACE by RUNNING ALONE? You Hillary fans better get your facts straight---and oh yes, I am an "old" white woman and the pundits are wrong----I am an OBAMA supporter. I believe that Hillary has been running for president ever since she became first lady. Do you all remember her insistance with reporters that the name RODHAM be used at all times? She is in this for herself----a dream she's had forever. She wants to make history for the Clinton dynasty. She couldn't get the health reform done because she couldn't work well with her commitee----her way or no way. That's also the way she's been running her campaign---if she can't select people now with whom she can work well with ---what do you expect from her if she would make president? Her ego will not let her quit----Helsy

Posted by: Helsy | March 29, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

** Hillary's negatives are still much higher than Obama's or McCain's. She can't
** beat either one.
** Posted by: zb95

You might be right. But how are we going to reliably judge Hillary & Obama's relative strengths without considering the VOTERS in FL & MI? Those are big swing states.

Posted by: HuckFinn | March 29, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Leahy's comments are certain to backfire.

Clinton lives to be the comeback kid.

Voters always react negatively to arrogant politicians. And a Senator declaring that the remaining voters don't need to be heard from is nothing if not arrogant.

Posted by: HuckFinn | March 28, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

THOMAS GIMBLE, Acting Inspector General, Department of Defense: We found that the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy developed, produced and then disseminated alternative intelligence assessments on Iraq and al-Qaida relations, which included conclusions that were inconsistent with the consensus of the intelligence community, and these were presented to senior decision-makers.

While such actions are not illegal or unauthorized, the actions, in our opinion, were inappropriate, given that all the products did not clearly show the variance with the consensus of the intel community and, in some cases, were shown as intel products.


Feith is scum, and a treasonous pig. He and Wolfowitz misled the intelligence community to give

bush and his merry band of theives a cover story for stealing IRAQs oil......period.

funny thing is, Israel is even more out in the cold before this drek occured....


ISRAEL, does not support Douglas Feith....right now in ISRAEL, the majority are against the destruction of the Palestinian community and the denial of rights to them....

in fact ISRAEL, internally looks like the United States in it's voting....about 27 PerCENT feel that

the zionists are right....the MAJORITY over 70 PERCENT want peace and autonomy for Palestinians....


the neo conservatives are destroying ISRAEL and have interfered with the United States' destiny...aiding and abetting common criminals


bush family and friends, who were and have been colluding with


SAUDI ARABIA, UAE, KUWIAT, TURKEY and others to defraud and steal from the peoples of

IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN


while claiming to fight terrorism....bush and cronies are the terrorists and deserve a fair trial followed by a quick march out to a wall where they can be shot to death for treason,


if found guilty....good luck eh?


.do it.


. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS INDEEEEEEEEEEEEEED !!!!!!! .


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 28, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

you're not going to get a balanced, civil debate


when the CIA is involved.

READ THIS BOOK on NATIONS BREAKING...

you're living in one...

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man:

How the U.S. Uses Globalization to Cheat Poor Countries Out of Trillions

JOHN PERKINS: Basically what we were trained to do and what our job is to do is to build up the American empire. To bring--to create situations where as many resources as possible flow into this country, to our corporations, and our government, and in fact we've been very successful. We've built the largest empire in the history of the world. It's been done over the last 50 years since World War II with very little military might, actually. It's only in rare instances like Iraq where the military comes in as a last resort. This empire, unlike any other in the history of the world, has been built primarily through economic manipulation, through cheating, through fraud, through seducing people into our way of life, through the economic hit men. I was very much a part of that.


ps. calvin m. willis is actually a parolee being paid to post under a pseudonym, thus the disparity between his though process and honesty


..pity him, don't mock him


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 28, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Now if you guys did all that work digging up false information on Obama, then I KNOW you already have all the real dirt on Hillary, which leaves me to believe that if you aren't idiots, then your character is should be called into question, since you're willing to ignore more obvious signs of your candidate's flaws, morality, and politically just so you can tear down a properly run campaign. Shaking my head at you.

What jerks.

Posted by: Queixada | March 28, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Won't let me post a link.

If you go to NY Times website and insert this at the end...

/imagepages/2007/07/29/us/politics/20070730_OBAMA_GRAPHIC.html

Posted by: balancing_stones | March 28, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

you're not going to get a balanced, civil debate


when the CIA is involved.

READ THIS BOOK on NATIONS BREAKING...

you're living in one...

Confessions of an Economic Hit Man:

How the U.S. Uses Globalization to Cheat Poor Countries Out of Trillions


We speak with John Perkins, a former respected member of the international banking community. In his book Confessions of an Economic Hit Man he describes how as a highly paid professional, he helped the U.S. cheat poor countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars by lending them more money than they could possibly repay and then take over their economies.

John Perkins describes himself as a former economic hit man-a highly paid professional who cheated countries around the globe out of trillions of dollars.

20 years ago Perkins began writing a book with the working title, "Conscience of an Economic Hit Men."

Perkins writes, "The book was to be dedicated to the presidents of

two countries, men who had been his clients whom I respected and thought of as kindred spirits-

Jaime Roldós, president of ECUADOR, and

Omar Torrijos, president of PANAMA.


Both had just died in fiery crashes. Their deaths were not accidental. They were assassinated because they opposed that fraternity of corporate, government, and banking heads whose goal is global empire. With no Nationalized OIL. We Economic Hit Men failed to bring Roldós and Torrijos around, and the other type of hit men, the CIA-sanctioned jackals who were always right behind us, stepped in.

John Perkins goes on to write: "I was persuaded to stop writing that book. I started it four more times during the next twenty years. On each occasion, my decision to begin again was influenced by current world events: the U.S. invasion of Panama in 1980, the first Gulf War, Somalia, and the rise of Osama bin Laden. However, threats or bribes always convinced me to stop."

_________________________________________________


read how the media is used to control the electoral process, and bribes and coercion...


who took the Duke Cunninghams' spot in California ????


A Republican? Yes. Was that the will of the people.....we'll never know, the republicans spent 15 times more than has ever been spent in a single district to get a Republican elected, and George W. Bush and THEDICKcheeenie each taped a special message delivered to each and every REPULSIVE SCAMMER to get out there and make sure that the AMERICAN PEOPLE DID NOT RECEIVE THE MESSAGE THAT "CORRUPTION WASN'T COOL," because they didn't want people to think that they could change things...


sorry folks, we're going to hand you your A**es in '08

and destroy your party.


NAZIS...

Posted by: a_bigone | March 28, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama's Illinois legislative record.

Posted by: balancing_stones | March 28, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

It's her Party and she'll cry if she wants to!

Posted by: thrh | March 28, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

I don't think it's a coincidence that Obama wins the Republican states, spends money like a Republican, is favored by so many Republicans, and even sounds like his pal McCain most of the time. Maybe if it sounds like a duck, walks like a duck...

Posted by: hariseldonsr | March 28, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

The comments by intcamd1 make me very afraid for the Democratic Party...and for our nation as a whole.

If you want to be inspired watch Bill Moyer's Journal on The Kerner Commission Report of 1968/and an interview with a hugely inspirational man, Cory Booker...the Mayor of Newark, NJ...a man who truly 'gets it'...

Posted by: balancing_stones | March 28, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

calvin.m.willis

Coming from a Obama turd, your rant is pathetic.

The Obama fan buffoons are worse than neanderthals. You are, like your super sainted hero, still high from whatever, and have lost your senses. You think a man with no experience, no specific skills, no accomplishments other than fooling the whole bunch of you (which is easy, since you are all obviously stoned), will somehow the lot of you.

WHat can improve your fate in life is if you enroll in some rehab. The rest of us need a real leader, not some empty suit who discovered he won the lottery and suddenly woke up in the white house.

Posted by: intcamd1 | March 28, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

jrw2 -

As a Clinton supporter, I am not so sure that the real enemy is the repugnant Rethugs anymore.

IN the last few months, I believe I have a new perspective on the media, some of the journalists I used to like but now will spit on if I ever I see them in person, a whole bunch of democratic politicians, and of course the posters who claim to be Obama supporters on these boards (who knows what their true persuasion might be).

All of these people truly disgust me, and I am now thinking how I could have stayed in the same tent with these scum. As far as I am concerned, the large movement behind Obama is the true enemy.

Posted by: intcamd1 | March 28, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

All I have to say, is that
Hillary supporters (at least the ones here and on forums I've been to) are logically irrational.

You give them facts, they ignore em'.
They give you facts and you refute them, they call you brainwashed.

They believe in the right to vote, but only if you're voting for Hillary.

They praise and revel in the power of superdelegates, but only if they're sponsoring Hillary.

They have some sort of complex, where they feel the majority is crazy, and they're the only sane ones.

They follow the MSM with great diligence, but can't seem to recall the media ever attacking any candidate other than Hillary.

I don't know what to say.
You guys need some help.

Posted by: Queixada | March 28, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to go so far as make a bold prediction that Pennsylvania will be a LOT tighter in the upcoming weeks. So much so that Clinton will have to exit or wait until afterwards to exit because it wasn't the blowout she had been promising. Things already seem to be trending in that direction and Obama hasn't even started campaigning yet there in that state.

Unfortunately, that's what it will take for her to get out -- since she refuses to exit out gracefully. Doesn't she realize how much respect she'd actually get if she did bow out? The longer she pushes this thing, the more she does look like Mike Huckabee despite it being closer, she still can't win it.

Posted by: Caliguy75 | March 28, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

HIllary Clinton should drop out of the race for the good of the party. She's mucking up the Democrats chances in November. All Hillary supporters please encourage your candidate to drop out. She can be governer of New York. Wouldn't that be nice?

Posted by: nezbangi | March 28, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

The Media should withdraw from all the commentary and just let the voters see the candidates (unedited) on the stump through the rest of the states that have to vote; or would you rather it be like Florida in 2000 when the Supreme Court stopped the counting and anointed the worst President in history; or would you rather it be like 2004 when the Democrats rushed John Kerry's nomination through and we watched him get eaten alive. All the voters have a right to vote before the final decision is made. Florida and Michigan should be a do over. The Superdelegates should vote for whomever they want without being pressured. So be it if goes on longer, at least when it is over, the one left standing will be the true winner and representative of the Democratic party. Stop with all the BS, this is America where democracy prevails, I thought.

Posted by: booboo117 | March 28, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Beth24, honey, I'm glad to hear you'll vote Republican (since you want to vote form over substance) if HRC gets the Dem. nomination, because that will mean MCCAIN IN A LANDSLIDE, EITHER THROUGH MY PROTEST VOTE AGAINST OBAMA OR OTHERWISE. And I'm perfectly okay with a McCain presidency: BECAUSE IT MEANS I'LL NEVER HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT ARROGANT, RACIST-LOVING OPPORTUNIST OBAMA RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AGAIN.

Posted by: farfalle44 | March 28, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

I have no objection for two civilised campaigns to stay in the primary race...but, lets demand a little higher tone...discuss the issues, point out where they differ...have real plans...and attack the GOP on two fronts at once.

I rarely hear who has been responsible for the massive debt this country is in. Reagan, mister balanced budget...never submitted one, took the country from 700 billion in debt, to 4 trillions of dollars in debt...while enacting the largest tax increase on the middle class ever...doubling the social security tax in order to take it from a pay as you go, to pay as you go AND create a trust fund for the boomer generation...then Greenspan advised Reagan to mask his deficit spending by raiding the trust fund...saying, borrowing from ourselves isn't really borrowing...wham-o, look where that's got us. Bush I continued the raid and increased the debt more...Clinton continued the raid, but brought the debt under control with the aid of Newt Gingrich's gang...but NAFTA, the WTO, and our dependence on foreign oil has been taking our balance of trade deficit ever higher...when it had been a trade surplus in 1991. Now GW Bush...has skewed the numbers against us on all fronts...massive imbalance in trade...a shrinking dollar which isn't even increasing tourism in the USA...and a debt which doesn't even count Iraq and Afghanistan...we're 10 trillions iin the hole...and with promises made, and monies stolen...some economists say our actual debt is 40 trillions.

More war? More debt? A depression? What then, a civil war with multiple sides...?

Let's get civilised and civil, without the war. Rancor is over, please.

We need real solutions to real time problems. This isn't just a little tweaking that needs be done. Energy, transportation, population, immigration, food, water, infrastructure...stature in the world. It ain't pretty. We need to roll up our collective sleeves. We need some good garbage collectors to clean up the mess we're in. Some real technocrats...some real leadership.

Posted by: balancing_stones | March 28, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Planner:

Please post the link as well re: oil company money and Obama. thx.

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

I had respect for Leahy until this comment. I am a Republican who supports Hillary after voting for Reagan-84 Bush-88 Clinton-92 Perot-96 Gore-00 and Kerry-04. Hillary will do what is right not what is popular. A normal political convention is all about wheeling and dealing on the floor and that is what democracy is all about. I was for McCain in 00 but not this time after seeing him support Bush he is not right for us.

Posted by: ppoads | March 28, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

The voters want to see this primary play out to the convention. Leahy is getting old, senile and maybe worried that Hillary will win the nomination. The man crushes these old white far left liberals in the Senate have for Obama is funny.

Posted by: Skinsfan1978 | March 28, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

If they think Florida and Michegan have hard feelings, just try and see what kind of hard feelings you have when you try to force either of these candidates out of this race before the last contests are held. People have place their money on these two folks and when you have jerks like Pilosi and Leahy (who have reached the pinnacle of all they will ever be) trying to influence the voters using their supposed positions of influence, that is where you will begin to see the party self-destruct. Everybody can respect a good, honest fight between candidates. It's when the onlookers and outsiders start trying to get glory by sticking in their two cents to generate headlines that things start getting ugly. How about them NOT going on the talk shows to express opinions best left unspoken? Who the hell are these to yo-yos that they think anybody outside of Washington gives a twinkie about their personal preference for Obama? Like, NOT!

Posted by: glosski | March 28, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

What's the deal guys? Have we relocated to China?

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Please let us not have the columnists, who concerted in pushing Senator Clinton off the trail and do the king-making act. Let us not have the power brokers in the Democratic Party say the race is over and do the king-making act. Obama's has not won. But if the dem's powerful ones act like the Supreme Court on GWB's presidency,cutting short the process, anoint Obama out right, premature of the primary, then, they better be ready to bare the consequences.

Posted by: sangliu | March 28, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Truly folks, the only withdrawing that should be going on is Leahy's lips from Obama's arse hole. These Obama pond scum suckers sure seem desperate to get Hillary out before other Americans get to vote and possibly show that Obama is no longer electable. If that is the case, all their whining won't help. Let democracy go forward! Vote Democrats, vote!

Posted by: brigittepj | March 28, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

balancing_stones: No one is saying that Judicial Watch is perfect, but they went after both Hillary and Obama. Hillary has released the 11,000 pages which they requested, Obama is saying that he doesn't have, or can't find any of the records of his 8 year stint in the Illinois state senate. Now come on, if it were Hillary making such a lame excuse, you would be all over her. Let's be fair.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I see the Obamants, Obamarobots, Chauvins for Obama, and Cult of Obama members are in their usual vicious form. Ultra left swift boaters!

Attack Hillary. The worsst the lies the better. Doesn't Hillary know Obama is the second coming? Just ask him!

But I say give Obama the nomination so he can tank big time in November! No ultra liberal Deomocrat has ever been elected president, and Obama will not be the first. Obama, the McGivern of 2008!

When he tanks will you Obamanuts, Obamabots, Cultists and chauvins please drink the Kool Aid, so a Democrat will be able to win in 2012?

Posted by: wj_phillips | March 28, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

From Think Progress

Judicial Watch Smears Judge Who Ruled Warrantless Wiretapping Is Illegal, Media Takes The Bait»

Last week, Judge Anna Diggs Taylor ruled that President Bush's warrantless wiretapping program was unconstitutional. Subsquently, Taylor was attacked by the conservative group Judicial Watch which claimed that she had a "conflict of interest" because she "serves as a Secretary and Trustee for a foundation that donated funds to the ACLU of Michigan, a plaintiff in the case."

Judicial Watch's allegation has garnered extensive media coverage. It's a bogus charge. Here are the facts:

- Over the last two years the Community Foundation for Southeastern Michigan has donated about $50 million to charitable causes. Its $45,000 in grants to the ACLU represents just .09% of their total giving.

- The money to the ACLU had nothing to do with their activities relating to this litigation or government surveillance. The grant funded "a gay rights project."

- Judge Taylor is one of 50 community members on the foundation's board. It wasn't a personal decision by Judge Taylor.

None of this information was disclosed by Judicial Watch. Once you know the facts, there is not a "reasonable question about [her] impartiality" based on the foundation's activities. That hasn't stopped the media (or the blogosphere) from breathlessly reporting the "story."
***
Judicial Watch is not an impartial party.

Posted by: balancing_stones | March 28, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton needs to begin to prepare her exit from the race... Several sources in her own camp admit that she has virtually no chance of winning the nomination except if she succeeds in finding James Hoffa's body and moving it in Obama's flower garden to put the blame on him.

Since there is little chance for the body to be found, she makes all these negative assertions. The goal seems to be the 2012 election. By putting enough doubts on Obama, Hillary is hoping that he will lose to McCain and that she or Chelsea (who is also an experienced leader after her journey at the White House mansion) will be able to run in 2012. The Clintons might then be able to capitalize again with the rental of the Lincoln Bedroom to big lobbyists.

Whatever happens, since the Judas story with Richardson, we know that Hillary believes in ressurection; she or her husband Bill would be Jesus if I understood correctly the story. So, we can assume that Hillary will not hesitate to play the kamikaze with this election or the next one since she will probably reborn again, as the savior.

Hillary Clinton needs to begin to prepare her exit from the race before she hurts herself or others.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 28, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

UNLISTED

You are bleeping moron. I have to ask if you are a true democrat or are a right wing scum bag posing here as an Obama fan. The fact is that, Obama is ahead of Clinton by a few hundred thousand votes (of more than 25 mil), and would really be tied if FL is counted and after PA votes; since Obama boasts of receiving a lot of crossover independent and Rpublican support, Clinton is really leading in traditional democratic vote so far, which means, statistically, if you are an Obama supporter, you are less likely to be a traditional democrat - that includes you, scum bag.

Posted by: intcamd1 | March 28, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Judicial Watch: Obama 'intended to leave no paper trail'
By Klaus Marre
Posted: 03/26/08 01:01 PM [ET]
The president of a prominent watchdog group said Wednesday that he believes Democratic presidential frontrunner Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) "intended to leave no paper trail" during his time in the Illinois Senate.

Judicial Watch, which has been seeking access to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's (D-N.Y.) records from her time in the White House, argued Wednesday that the Illinois senator, who has criticized the former first lady for a lack of openness, has his own "records problem."

"The more we learn about the Illinois Senator, the more obvious it becomes that he is anything but the ethically upright outsider he purports to be," said Tom Fitton, the president of Judicial Watch.

The group rose to prominence when it repeatedly took on former President Bill Clinton during his time in office. It also sought records from the Bush administration regarding Vice President Dick Cheney's energy task force.

In a statement, Fitton noted that his group has sought access to Obama's records as a state senator and questioned whether the presidential candidate has been forthcoming with regard to what happened to those documents.

He said that "nobody knows where they are, if they exist at all" and claimed that "Obama's story keeps changing."

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton was the best Republican President since Eisenhower...he passed the Telecommunications Act of 1996...he passed NAFTA...

The DLC is the corporate wing of the Democratic Party...Hillary and Bill are big players in the DLC...Obama is not even a member. When he was told several years ago that the DLC was listing him as a member, he contacted them and told them in no uncertain terms to remove his name from their organisation.

There has been a steady decline in this country since Reagan's election...Clinton continued the steady stream in the erosion of rights, and support of despots.

I'll support whoever the Democratic Party finally selects in Denver...if only for the supreme court...McBush is a bit much, a little too twitchy on the trigger...

Of course, I'm more of a Gravel man, myself...or Kucinich...or Wellstone, who would have been our candidate in 2004...our military shouldn't be an imperial authority throughout the world.

As Eisenhower warned us, "Beware the Military/Industrial complex"...and their cronies.

And when are we going to impeach Bush/Cheney, btw? Bush has bought a hundred thousand acres in Paraguay...who would not extradite him to the USA once he's there. Of course, Halliburton's headquarters are now in Dubai.

Posted by: balancing_stones | March 28, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Celeste: Did you read my post above about Obama's lies regarding contributions from the oil companies? What is really galling about this is that Hillary mischaracterizes her landing in Bosnia, and it is front page news for days. Obama has the "audacity" to lie right in his commercial in Pennsylvania, which I'm sure will be playing day and night, and I'll bet the coverage of this important lie will be nil. This shows me that its all the more important that we fight for Hillary. If the powers that be are lined up behind Obama, he cannot be good for us; that's not the way these things work.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

what happened to Karl Rove ???


hey Karl, stand and deliver.


oh,

here's that a major teddy article I was looking for:

Voice of the White House February 28, 2005
TBR News.org February 28, 2005

"An absolute non-issue with the American print and TV media is the control by very powerful gays of the top policy levels of the White House. Growingly pointed comments inside the Beltway social clubs, homes and watering places about Karl Rove's "good friend" 'Jeff Gannon' are being very thoroughly ignored by the mainline press.

There are two reasons for this crashing silence. One is the fact that a large number of powerful and wealthy Republicans are gay and do not want their wives and children to discover that they put on leather underwear and spend their spare time at the Eagle over on New York Avenue or getting rough trade action at the Crew Club. Fat Karl Rove was seen by one of my people entering a private homosexual orgy at a five-star Washington hotel over the Mid-Atlantic Leather (MAL) weekend last year. All the self-hating loyal Republican gays at the no-pants party, many of them Senatorial aides and military types, of course pretended they didn't recognize him, and who can blame them - imagine how repulsive Fat Karl must look without his clothes. The report that came back was that Fat Karl greatly enjoyed the supervision of a certain hairy 350-lb.

Leather Dominator, who had won the

Miss Virginia Daddy Bear

title at the MAL festivities.

Karl used hang out at JR's, which is on 17th between P&S, before he became so well-known. This is a "respectable" gay bar for discreet people who do not wear mesh panties, high-heeled pumps and wear terrible wigs. How many people know about these activities? In Washington, a hell of a lot of the prominent. But very few of them dare to open their mouths because of their own small problems.


.small problems.


Obama Accuses Clinton of Deception ?????

tax records???? wow is it APRIL 15th already...this is serious, I've lost a whole month...FOAD


how about let's look at the books for

Halliburton
Bechtel
KBR
DynCorp
Blackwater
Carlyle Group????

you repulsive scammers posing as democrats

it won't happen if you don't elect Hillary, 'cause the bama saying it don't mattah

Posted by: a_bigone | March 28, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

terry.santiago

Have you noticed now that the facts are coming out about Obama, he is no longer being called the "likable" candidate?

How about some answers on those lies Obama told? Brian made an effort about his parents and Selma...why don't you try?

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

fluent in Indonesian...typo

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't know if you're correct about censoring.


What I do know is that, there has been a male prostitute in the White House for over 2 years.


And not a single mention, even though the President by fraud used HOMOPHOBIA as an election tool.


Spitzer used prostitution as an "elect me issue," and the


WASHINGTON POST,

takes up 3 days covering it.

I would think the thought of George Bush on his knees with Guckert, whose picture you can see online nekkid, would send thrills of


BIG EXPOSE' shooting up the spines of AMERICA's newspaper people,


but no, they've been suspiciously silent...even though it's a well known fact that George W. Bush spent


4 years of High School, at an all boys school being a cheerleader, as well as all of his College years, and in his time at college he was also known for his roomate Victor Ashe and he spending quite a bit of time in the showers together...

but Bill Clinton is BIG NEWS along with Spitzer...


Larry Craig, hosing people in the mens' rooms of Minnesota airports, 'its okay with the newspeople....


doesn't make sense, although I do know that Rupert Murdoch made a big bid to take over the MSM channels....

certainly one watching correspondents covering the Democratic nomination all seem to be receiving doctored feeds...


like the DVD's sent out during Kerry's run for President...LIVE FOOTAGE OF THE !!! WAR !!!


from Iraq, even if it was less sensational as far as deaths were concerned than Detroit, or St. Louis

Posted by: a_bigone | March 28, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

brian

Was his lie about being fluent in Indonesia symbolic also? Or his so called professorship? Or the phony Life/Ebony magazine article that he says influenced his racial awakening. And so it goes. I'm sorry Brian....Really.

You really seem to be invested in Obama, just as those other stupid people who backed George W. Hopeless. And I have to struggle with you and this web site.

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a lier, fraud, and slimy. Now he says he would have left the church if wright had not retired. Contradicts himself. Instead of rejecting Wright he talks about rejecting the church. Obama, your problem is Wright not the church. Don't you get this .. now you are salivating about beiong president. Just fade away.

Posted by: dsclinton | March 28, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA AT IT AGAIN; FALSE ADVERTISING IN PENNSYLVANIA: From NBC/NJ's Aswini Anburajan
GREENBURG, Pa. -- The Clinton campaign today accused the Obama campaign of "false advertising," claiming that a recent ad Obama released in Pennsylvania was disngenous because Obama has been the recipient of more than $200,000 from the oil and gas industry.
In the ad, Obama says, "I'm Barack Obama, and I don't take money from oil companies or lobbyists, and I won't let them block change any more."
Obama has taken $213,884 from the oil and gas industry as of Feb. 29th, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Sen. Hillary Clinton has taken $306,813 in that same period.
Two of Obama's campaign bundlers are also CEOs for oil and gas companies, per a list released on his campaign Web site.
Robert Cavnar, listed as a bundler who has raised between $50,000 to $100,000 for the campaign, is the chairman and CEO of Mission Resources Corp., a Houston-based firm. George Kaiser, also listed in the same $50,000 to $100,000 category, is the CEO of Tulsa-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Company.
"It's unfortunate that Senator Obama is using false advertising to explain why he can be trusted to do something about energy prices," Clinton spokesman Phil Singer said. "Senator Obama says he doesn't take campaign contributions from oil companies but the reality is that Exxon, Shell, and others are among his donors."

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Why are Obama supporters afraid of letting this play out if HRC doesn't have a chance? If it's in the bag, Obama can just take a vacation, built his already formidable war chest and be rested and ready for the general election. The dems will only unify behind Obama if they know he earned the nomination through the sanctioned process. I agree with Dean on this one. Leahy is not helping Obama by inserting himself.

Posted by: jcmdstep1 | March 28, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

coloradog: Hillary didn't have to give anyone Rev. Wright. It is Obama himself who chose to attend a church for 20 years whose pastor, Obama's "mentor and spiritual adviser" Rev. Wright, was racist and anti-American. He did it all by himself.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Given all that we are learning....should by some chance Obama does become the nominee...do you think McCain will "drop out" because he is "hurting" Obama?

Obama can't win; by all we have found out, he is a damaged candidate.

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Old man Leahy should think about retiring .. he is getting senile. Hillary is a chance of a life-time president.

Posted by: dsclinton | March 28, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

why do you keep removing mine? don't you see how that lowers the trust level of your newspaper?

One more time...
Given all we have learned about Obama in the last weeks, not just Wright, but his lies about his community work, his parents meeting for the first time at Selma, his nonexistent professorship, his so called legislative accomplishments, that he supposedly sponsored, but was really someone else's work and on and on.
Lies little and big that have been discovered. Then he says he didn't hear the remarks on those clips shown over and over, then he admits he did hear "some" outrageous remarks and now, because the Wright furor hasn't died down, he says he would have left Trinity if Wright hadn't "retired".

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

a_bigone: It is awfully coincidental that the corporate media gave Bush a free pass for so long, and now they are doing the same for Obama. I doubt things like that happen by accident. I have noticed, for example, that there are many blogs who will censor you if you post comments critical of Obama (CNN, MSNBC, Huffington Post, the Los Angeles Times, the Boston Globe, etc.). Is this a coincidence, or by design . . .

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

actually,


the neocons have a lot of options.

most of them involve sinking people, in order to get the "preferred candidate," in place...

the preferred candidate would be one that would let them call the shots...


and would't necessarily be democratic or even running right now.

. if Mc Cain disappears Mitt Romney will step in, if o baaaaaaaaaa baaaaaa man cuts a deal


they don't need mc cain .


The only thing the republicans want is


ABC


anyone but clinton.

that's what the republicans want....and they are willing to pay for it


and do anything that they have to to get that to happen.


because she's the worst candidate? no

because she will reverse what they have put in place.


she will give AMERICA back to the people


and funny thing is, it's not a threat

it's a promise. you can take to the bank.


it's your life AMERICA,


you can throw it away for some magic hate beans


or live the life.


What were "the Clintons," big and selfish plans when Bill Clinton was President ????


1. COLLEGE FOR ALL THAT WANTED IT.

2. HEALTHCARE, for everyone.


they sound suspiciously egalitarian, rather than plutocratic to me.

.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 28, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Hillary gave Jeff Gannon's fat boy Rove and Rush Limberger their Willie Horton in the form of Rev. Wright.

Posted by: coloradodog | March 28, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Hang in there Hillary supporters. It is though especially when the sites remove fact laden posts.

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Oh, there you are Karl, thought you were here...

Kevin Schmidt is the pen name.

first of all


__________THERE____IS____NO________WAR____________

there is an occupation to steal another country's resources....


that is ordinarially called an

ANTAGONISTIC OCCUPATION, by enemy troops

to stage a COLONIAL OCCUPATION...

al QUEADA is bushCO and CRONYs...


the "drunk indians," in this particular _ILLEGAL_ action against yet another indigenous peoples...


and besides that bush is paying people to attack US soldiers...

Results 1 - 10 of about 402,000 for bush funding al qeada sunni. (0.27 seconds)

Annals of National Security: The Redirection: Reporting & Essays ...Al Qaeda is Sunni, and many of its operatives came from extremist religious .... Flynt Leverett, a former Bush Administration National Security Council ...
www.newyorker.com/printables/fact/070305fa_fact_hersh -


Think Progress » Blog Archive » Hersh: U.S. Funds Being Secretly ...If covertly funding violent Sunni groups isn't a high crime or misdemeanor, what is? ...... Bush is funding al Qaeda! -

can you say, collusion and treason?????

.

and to o baaaaaaaa man, "this is about the past."

but without understanding who the people running Washington for themselves actually are,


he won't know who to listen to.

Will he listen to just the likable people that don't talk about the past and stroke his ego, agreeing with him as they hide programs and tell him not to worry about this or that...


or will he come in and be decisive without knowing what the truth is because he is going to decide based upon emotion.


Hillary will do what is best for AMERICA starting on day one, whether she's likable or not....


and I agree with Tina Fey, and the SNL crewe from this weekend...


it takes a bee_atch...


you got a problem with that ???


if AL GORE had been one in 2000, she wouldn't have to be one now.


AND THE United States would have IRAQI OIL as an option, because


the IRAQIs _LIKED_US_ wanted to be like us, which is the case for pretty much


all of the world until the little lord georgie [ famous salaami swallower, and pederast ] bush

tanked our rep in the free world.


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 28, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I doubt that endorsements are going to help Obama much at this stage in the game. If one person or another endorses Obama, I doubt that the informed will just ignore the fact that his "mentor and spiritual adviser" for 20 years is a racist and anti-American; ignore his blatant and probably successful attempt to disenfranchise millions of voters in Michigan and Florida to advance his own selfish political ambitions; ignore his association with William Ayers, the founder of the Weather Underground, a domestic terrorist group; ignore his lies about his "alleged" continual opposition to the Iraq war; ignore his continual use of the "race card" in this nomination process; ignore his initial denial that any meeting took place between his chief economic adviser and the Canadian official; ignore his changing testimony about his relationship with and monetary support from Rezko; ignore his lie during the debates about a pharmaceutical lobbyist's involvement in his campaign; ignore his lie during the debates about Yucca Mountain; ignore his lie about his former support for a single-pay health plan, etc. No, endorsements don't give one amnesia; and that is what would need to occur for many of us to support Obama.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

a big none, are you lost? We're talking about the presidential election in this thread.

Posted by: kevinschmidt | March 28, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

who are the people that


JUST HATE HILLARY CLINTON ???


the people that you all hate right now.

Bush CO and CRONYs, they have been running the table on AMERICANS...

convincing them to sell their future for HOMOPHOBIA while the Presidente by FRAUD CHOWS DOWN on salaami and pajama parties at the white house....


sorta like J.Edgar Hoover hated Kennedy, that's the kind of hate that


bushCO and CRONYmeister have towards Hillary....


SEARCH on Victor Ashe, Lips, George W. Bush, Jeff Gannon, Ken Mehlman HEAD OF Republican National Committee, Karl Rove, Jeff Gannon, Trent LOTT, ALL GAY


it's your country, learn how the media only covers the stories that the corporatocracy pays them to.


your reporters are cowards, and paid to be.


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 28, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Now that it's clear that the blowback from Sen. Clinton's negative campaigning has come back to damage HER favorability ratings (now down to 37%) and negatives still up at about 48% I say let her at it. The more she desperately clings to the remaining "possible" roads to the nomination the more it seems to hurt her, the more Barack is tested he is seasoned and comes out looking Presidential. So go at it -- Mrs. Clinton has every right to continue this race as long as it's done fairly -- so if her campaign operative's are really behind the dirty trick robocalls to TX delegates telling them the conventions have been cancelled they should not only be criticized they should be prosecuted (actually, they should be prosecuted no matter who they support!). But have at it Mrs. Clinton -- fight on, spend your money, time and goodwill. Just don't be surprised if the Clinton name is the ultimate loser.

Posted by: Omyobama | March 28, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Here's a very good reason for Clintoon to drop out... NO MORE MONEY, HONEY!!!

But the question is, just how broke are the HillBillies?

'Chicago Sun-Times: " To wit: Word is the cash feeding into Hillary Clinton's campaign coffers has not only slowed down in a big way, undisclosed campaign debts that have yet to be made public could signal the end and have insiders biting their nails."'

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sneed/865494,CST-NWS-SNEED28.article

Posted by: kevinschmidt | March 28, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary's leading fundraisers want to intimidate House Speaker Nancy weak-sister Pelosi, Cheney can show them how easy it is.

Posted by: coloradodog | March 28, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

NOW | PBS David Brannacio

Save Energy, Money and the Planet
Today, March 28, 2008

Could a new effort to fight global warming save money and create jobs at the same time? NOW looks at a city-wide plan in Cambridge, Massachusetts to make all their buildings more energy efficient. Up to 80% of emissions in many urban cities comes from buildings. Cambridge hopes that this unprecedented effort to "green" its buildings will reduce greenhouse gas emissions by ten percent in just five years, the equivalent of taking 33,000 cars off the road.

If every major city in America took the same approach, it would have a significant impact on the carbon footprint of the U.S. -- and it would generate tens of millions of new "green" jobs. The Cambridge Energy Alliance, a non-profit group, will help clients cut their energy use 15-30%, which translates into a lower utility bill. The Alliance will then help clients secure loans to pay for the building retrofits, loans designed to pay themselves off by the savings on those utility bills. Retrofitting thousands of buildings could also create a new green job market in Cambridge. It's a bold new experiment, but the Alliance hopes to become a national model that puts green thinking on display, as well as more green in people's pockets. Will this entrepreneurial effort bring new converts to the environmental movement?

Posted by: a_bigone | March 28, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

One thing is obvious from these comments. People either love or hate the Clintons. The one's hating the Clintons have jumped on the Obama band wagon as the Clinton alternative. Humorous reading to say the least.

As a good democrat I could care less which of these two candidates wins the nomination. Either will beat McCain in November and then I can raise a glass of champagne and toast the end of the Bush administration.

Posted by: blund | March 28, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton needs to begin to prepare her exit from the race... Several sources in her own camp admit that she has virtually no chance of winning the nomination except if she succeeds in finding James Hoffa's body and moving it in Obama's flower garden to put the blame on him.

Since there is little chance for the body to be found, she makes all these negative assertions. The goal seems to be the 2012 election. By putting enough doubts on Obama, Hillary is hoping that he will lose to McCain and that she or Chelsea (who is also an experienced leader after her journey at the White House mansion) will be able to run in 2012. The Clintons might then be able to capitalize again with the rental of the Lincoln Bedroom to big lobbyists.

Whatever happens, since the Judas story with Richardson, we know that Hillary believes in ressurection; she or her husband Bill would be Jesus if I understood correctly the story. So, we can assume that Hillary will not hesitate to play the kamikaze with this election or the next one since she will probably reborn again, as the savior.

Hillary Clinton needs to begin to prepare her exit from the race before she hurts herself or others.


Posted by: Logan6 | March 28, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

LOOK AT THE LAST PARAGRAPH...


and DO A SEARCH on


BUSH, Walker, MONEY LAUNDERING

In 1953, Bush got money from Brown Brothers Harriman and, with partners Hugh and Bill Liedtke, formed Zapata Petroleum. By the late 1950s they were millionaires. Bush bought subsidiary Zapata Off-Shore from his partners and went into business on his own in 1954. By 1958, the new company was drilling on the Cay Sal Bank in the Eastern Gulf of Mexico. These islands had been leased to Nixon supporter and CIA contractor Howard Hughes the previous year and were later used as a base for CIA raids on Cuba. The CIA was using companies like Zapata to stage and supply secret missions attacking Fidel Castro's Cuban government in advance of the Bay of Pigs invasion. The CIA's codename for that invasion was "Operation Zapata." In 1981, all Securities and Exchange Commission filings for Zapata Off-Shore between 1960 and 1966 were destroyed. In other words, the year Bush became vice president, important records detailing his years at his drilling company disappeared. In 1969, Zapata bought the United Fruit Company of Boston, another company with strong CIA connections.

In 1964, Bush campaigned against the Civil Rights Act. He lost that election but was elected to Congress in 1966 and again in 1968. He was defeated in the race for Senate by Democrat Lloyd Bentsen in 1970.

He served as Gerald Ford's Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) from November 1975 to January 1977. As head the CIA, Bush was answerable only to President Ford. He was supposedly the first CIA "outsider" to hold the agency's top position. During his tenure as DCI he maintained a policy of disinformation and secrecy, despite a public show of cooperation with congressional investigations of CIA abuses such as assassination plots using Mafia hit men. In September 1976, Chilean dissident leader Orlando Letelier was assassinated in Washington D.C. by agents of DINA, Chile's secret police. The CIA knew of such plots, and the two assassins entered the U.S. using fake Paraguayan passports. But the FBI was kept in the dark about this information.

In 1979, the year before he campaigned for the Republican nomination for president, Bush claimed a nuclear war was winnable. Ronald Reagan won the 1980 nomination and chose Bush as his running mate. As vice president, Bush cast three tie-breaking votes to renew chemical weapons production, supported sale of missiles to "terrorist" Iran and the illegal arming of the Nicaraguan contras and other paramilitary groups he called "freedom fighters.


He also chaired The Presidential Task Force on Deregulation which, according to Mary Fricker in her book Inside Job, "set the tone" for bank deregulation which led to the savings and loan financial disaster of the late 1980's. As well as the terrorists bank BCCI, while President of the United States. In fact his father had a lot of experience with money laundering and collusion with enemies of the state. It's what he taught his son. And there are plenty in Congress RIGHT NOW, with their hands in the till.


interesting....eh!?


WE THE PEOPLE

pay their salaries, and they refuse to do the work that they were hired to do.....


fire them en masse....being a rethuglican is no longer a necessary thing...

Posted by: a_bigone | March 28, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Some numbers to contemplate:

(I am NOT figuring in Michigan or Florida, since no one knows how that situation will resolve itself, it it does. If/when we know how that situation will be resolved, a new analysis can be run.)

Using the AP numbers for pledged delegates, and DemConWatch for Superdelegates:

Clinton:
Pledged: 1243
Supers: 246
Subtotal: 1489

Obama:
Pledged: 1412
Supers: 211
Subtotal: 1623

Upcoming primaries, using latest polls (if available, otherwise giving current apparent leader 55% of vote) a ROUGH estimate of delegate distribution:

Note: I've calculated the delegates by using a uniform figure across all Congressional Districts. This will NOT happen, but the delegate count will come close state-wide.

Pennsylvania (Clinton up 12): C - 90, O - 68
Guam (No poll): Clinton - 2, O - 2
Indiana (No poll): C - 38, O - 34
North Carolina (Obama up 15): C - 51, O - 64
West Virginia (No poll): C - 15, O - 13
Kentucky (No poll): C - 28, O - 23
Oregon (No poll): C - 23, O - 29
Puerto Rico (No poll): C - 28, O - 24
South Dakota (No poll): C - 7, O - 8
Montana (No poll): C - 7, O - 9

Estimated subtotal of upcoming primaries:
Clinton - 289, Obama 274

Totals of pledged, declared superdelegates and estimated upcoming primaries:

Clinton - 1778, or 245.5 short of the 2023.5 (currently) needed for the nomination.

Obama - 1897, or 126.5 short of the 2023.5 (currently) needed.

There are now approximately 336 undeclared superdelegates. This means that Obama needs about 38% of the remaining undeclared superdelegates to win the nomination; Clinton needs about 73% of those undeclared delegates to win the nomination.

Some more figures to comtemplate:
On January 31, DemConWatch figured the number of announced superdelegates broke 189 for Clinton, 97 for Obama. At the end of February, the count was 240 for Clinton, 191 for Obama. Currently, the count looks like 246 for Clinton, 211 for Obama. This means that Clinton had a net gain of 57 superdelegates announcing for her during February and March, but Obama had 114 announcing for him in that same period.

Posted by: critter69 | March 28, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

oh no, a small mind afraid of being crushed by his own stupidity squeaks like a mouse..


is that you Karl Rove????


dancing fat boy?

Posted by: a_bigone | March 28, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

They got more - although preacher man has a way with words.

If only he were a crazy blogger.

Latest the church had a Hamas leader write an op-ed in preacher mans news letter. I heard it from the scum suckers at FOX (not 100 percent on the story).

Me no like Hamas - although I feel for the people.

It is over Cultist we can't run a race like this.

Time for Obama to drop out - he slept with dogs in Chicago and sold himself as someone he was not. He is a smart but calculating boneheaded pol with little exp. and it is showing in the last 4 weeks big time.

Posted by: mul | March 28, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Calvin,

Nice to hear some sensible thinking. Thanks.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Oh no...a_big drunk is back...everyone put away your thinking caps...here comes the drunken ramblings.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

you want to know what we should be doing ???


view the Greg Brannacio show NOW! that describes the energy program that Cambridge Massachusetts is putting in place.

For starters, 25 PERCENT of the population walks to work.

It's an amazing and real answer to what we could do, and how life could be with a simple readjustment that is cost saving and time saving on all levels.


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 28, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Open letter to Howard Dean and the DNC

I think you and Nancy Pelosi are way out of line asking for Hillary to quit. Why don't you quit trying to tip the scale in Obama's favor and let it play out???? For pete's sake it isn't that much to ask given the fact that they are both historic candidates and the race is so close. If you and Pelosi were so worried about the party you would not have done what you did in MI and FL and Pelosi would not be trying to play "get even" politics with the Clintons. Do you think the American public is stupid????? This is a Demoocracy or was the last time I checked and we should hear from as many voters as possible when something this important comes along. You remind me of the used car salesman that tells someone they have to make up their mind in an hour or the car will be gone. If six long months isn't enough to campaign especially given the fact that we now have the internet along with TV, radio, newspapers and magazines then I say they don't have much of a campaign staff or just maybe not much of a campaign to start with. Old men of the DNC (Kennedy, Leahy, Dodd come to mind) need I remind you THIS IS A HISTORIC RACE and should be left to finish. Stop letting the media do your dirty work and step aside and let the people have THEIR say. You may be a bit surprised.

Posted by: consignjp | March 28, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Leahy should shut up.

I don't know there small state senators are ..


BO is behind this. Very negative campaign.

Posted by: VoterfromIL | March 28, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama's been mingled so much with those people, such as radical pastor, Louis Farrakhan, black panther party, does it mean if he becomes the president (I real pray to God this won't happen) that this country would be turn out to be a radical country (the opposite way, becoming anti Israel?)

Posted by: gvz335 | March 28, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

ATTENTION ITALIANS; MORE FROM OBAMA'S "MENTOR AND SPIRITUAL ADVISER": The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is canceling all of his public appearances for "safety concerns." He's supposed to be over at some church in Tampa, but he bailed out of that one. But get this. He has slurred Italians now in a piece that he wrote published in the most recent issue of Trumpet News Magazine. He wrote a eulogy of the late scholar Asa Hilliard in the November-December, 2007, issue of this magazine, Trumpet News Magazine. Here's what he said: "(Jesus') enemies had their opinion about Him. The Italians for the most part looked down their garlic noses at the Galileans. From the circumstances surrounding Jesus' birth (in a barn in a township that was under the Apartheid Roman government that said his daddy had to be in), up to and including the circumstances surrounding Jesus' death on a cross, a Roman cross, public lynching Italian style. ... He refused to be defined by others and Dr. Asa Hilliard also refused to be defined by others. The government runs everything from the White House to the schoolhouse, from the Capitol to the Klan, white supremacy is clearly in charge, but Asa, like Jesus, refused to be defined by an oppressive government because Asa got his identity from an Omnipotent God."

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

It's kind of funny, there are quite a few states left that haven't voted, including some fairly large ones in PA, Indiana, etc.

The Democratic party could look at the calender in advance and see exactly how spread out and long their primary season was going to be. I'm trying to imagine a CLOSER primary race scenario wherein these later primaries would NOT be seen, as has been suggested to be the case now by so many, as being unnecessary, extra, superfluous, etc.

If not in THIS race, then WHEN would these primaries be relevant and when could all these voters expect their votes to matter to the Democratic party?

Posted by: jammerbirdi | March 28, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Open letter to Howard Dean and the DNC

I think you and Nancy Pelosi are way out of line asking for Hillary to quit. Why don't you quit trying to tip the scale in Obama's favor and let it play out???? For pete's sake it isn't that much to ask given the fact that they are both historic candidates and the race is so close. If you and Pelosi were so worried about the party you would not have done what you did in MI and FL and Pelosi would not be trying to play "get even" politics with the Clintons. Do you think the American public is stupid????? This is a Demoocracy or was the last time I checked and we should hear from as many voters as possible when something this important comes along. You remind me of the used car salesman that tells someone they have to make up their mind in an hour or the car will be gone. If six long months isn't enough to campaign especially given the fact that we now have the internet along with TV, radio, newspapers and magazines then I say they don't have much of a campaign staff or just maybe not much of a campaign to start with. Old men of the DNC (Kennedy, Leahy, Dodd come to mind) need I remind you THIS IS A HISTORIC RACE and should be left to finish. Stop letting the media do your dirty work and step aside and let the people have THEIR say. You may be a bit surprised.

Posted by: consignjp | March 28, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

let's get real here.


the only one who wants Hillary to drop out are the REPULSIVE SCAMMERS...


like allenridge .....

Why, they don't want to lose their place at the feeding trough.

If Al Gore had taken his rightful place in history, IRAQ would have never happened...


The OIL WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE.


We would have been steered towards conservation and renewable energy sources.

BUSHes family and friends, including the SAND BROTHERS UAE / KUWIAT / SAUDI ARABIA


had plans for IRAQ, and the ZIONISTS in Israel provided them with a reason to take IRAQ...


the nebulous terrorist !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


threat, aka the B.S. ploy.

AL GORE DIDN"T GO THROUGH WITH THE VOTE COUNT BECAUSE THERE WAS PRESSURE FOR HIM NOT TO...


HILLARY IS BEING PRESSURED THE SAME WAY NOW, in the same manner...


The reality is, more people are registering to vote, and Mc Cain is getting


no coverage, no one will know who he is by November, anyone saying other wise is selling a slice of B.S. Pie


don't buy it, it won't taste as good as it looks.


Hillary needs to finish. O mama, will be gone in 5 weeks.


Count on it....


Revelations will shake his camp regarding some of his private parties.


.eat that.


.

Posted by: a_bigone | March 28, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama may very well win the nomination but he will not get my Democratic vote. I will vote for McCain. We cannot allow a racist and anti-American like Obama to be president of this country.

Posted by: georgiarat | March 28, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

dotellen: Obama is merely saying whatever he thinks will fool the American public into thinking that he is the candidate of "change" and a "uniter." His deception works on some; not on others.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Brian: There you go again. Saying that the article is a reprint does not make it untrue. Obviously Obama thought it was true; that's why he did one of his now-famous "after the fact" denunciations of the piece.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Brian

Guilty by association is the tool of these one trick horses.

They're so adept at twisting reality, they've started losing track of their own lies and have started to believe them. I believe you've refuted most of their posts accurately enough that if you decided to get tired of replying no one would think you're running.

I've been shaking my head this whole time

Posted by: Queixada | March 28, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps you missed your candidate on "The View" this morning saying that if Wright hadn't retired in December, he would have left the church. Don't you believe him? Posted by: JakeD

It bothers me that Obama, after listening to this man for 20 years, now says he would have left the church if Wright haden't retired. Seems to me Obama is saying that, now that Wright is turning out to be a political liability, Obama would leave the church. Nothing to do with religion, just political expedience.

Posted by: dotellen | March 28, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I think its time to ignore the planner and celested9...there like those two old guys up in the balcony on the Muppet Show...just not as funny.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

It's simple: Obama can take McCain in the general election and Clinton cannot.
___________

Maybe in fantasyland.

Picture this PAC ad in Oct:

Wright: "God Damn America"

Obama: "He's like an uncle to me."

GAME OVER

Swear in President McCain

Too bad the Democrats know far more about throwing away an election than winning one... 2000... 2004... 2008...??

Posted by: write2caro | March 28, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

That Hamas "manifesto" was a re-print of a piece in the LA Times boneheads...why don't you read it yourself instead of acting the parrot.

I call it "Six Degrees of Barrack Obama":

LA Times prints some piece by some guy from Hamas...a member of the Church reads it and recommends that it be re-printed...the re-print is approved under Rev. Wright's watch...Rev. Wright is Obama's pastor...Obama supports Hamas...Obama is an un-American Jewish hating radical Muslim sympathizer.

Keep tryin!

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

theplanner, the video (mentioned in one of my previous message) contains some text extracts and some speeches from Hillary's own pastor and that might help you revise your assumptions about her, her pastor, her faith and her religion.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 28, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

The hell he says. I take back anything nice I've ever said about Leahy.

s.

Posted by: nothoney1 | March 28, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Let's all be honest about this race issue. There is a huge double standard operating here, and whether one wants to admit it, I think it is rather obvious to us all. Hillary discusses Martin Luther King, Jr.'s cooperation with Lyndon Johnson in the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and Obama plays the race card. Bill Clinton tries to correct the false impression Obama has given about his alleged continual opposition to the Iraq war by calling Obama's portrayal of his Iraq position a "fairy tale" and Obama plays the race card. (For those who doubt these last two statements, go back at look at the debate where Tim Russert busts Obama for four pages of press releases regarding these issues and the race card Obama was playing). Don Imus makes a racially insensitive statement on the air, and Obama calls for his firing and complains that he doesn't want his children to be exposed to such things. Geraldine Ferraro made just one statement which Obama thought was inappropriate, and he hit the ceiling. However, we are supposed to ignore 20 years of racist and anti-American rants from Obama's "mentor and spiritual adviser" because he made a good speech. WHY DON'T WE HOLD OBAMA TO THE SAME STANDARD HE HOLDS OTHERS? You Obama apologists, just admit it - it is your view that racist statements are only deplorable when made by those who have no connection to Obama. Go ahead and admit it, at least to yourself. The truth will set you free.

Oh, and give it up, Brian. You're wrong, and you know it. Be a man!

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Joinboiles, Hillary lost texas, at least in pledged delegated, as Obama got fime more there than she got. This wonam has taught the entire country th inevitability of her presidency for sixteen plus years, and lost, or practically lost already, to the guy, whome nobody had known until 1998 in Illinois, and even much later in the nation. Nothing similar to Joan D'Ark. Besides, she was asked to get out because of her permanent cheating and extremely dirty and dishonst methods of campaigning. Nothing heroic in this campaign of hers, and, certainly, nothing heroic in Hilary Clinton-herself. It is like to name the ugly flasher on the street the world sexiest woman(or man, whichever sex the flasher has). The courage of such flasher is the only kind of the courage Hillary Clinton has.

Posted by: aepelbaum | March 28, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

westernbiological, you forgot mentioning FOX in your message. This makes me think that you must be a Clinton supporter trying to delay what can not be avoided.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 28, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Twisted interpretation...I'm literate. Read what he says slowly and you might understand the words that are coming off the page...he refers to the movement as a combined series of events including the bridge...wow you guys are really slow and good at telling yourselves that you can never be wrong...even in the most obvious and extreme cases...where did he say he was born?

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Leahy, the great protector of American rights, NOT, should resign as Senator. He's totally worthless as Chair of the Judiciary Committee, or is there a lesser word for worthless.

Posted by: mtravali | March 28, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Dirty tricks happening in TX right now. Tomorrow is the state convention to officially select the delegates from the caucuses. Apparently someone is trying to disrupt that process. From the Texas Democratic Party:

"It has come to our attention that someone, perhaps in the name of the Texas Democratic Party, is spreading misinformation about upcoming County and Senate District Conventions. We have received reports from delegates who have received e-mails saying that conventions have been cancelled. We have also received unconfirmed reports that someone is placing robo-calls, claiming to be from the Texas Democratic Party, suggesting that county or district conventions have been cancelled.

"The Texas Democratic Party has not been informed that any county or district convention has been cancelled or postponed. If any delegates receive information to that effect, I urge them to plan to attend their convention as scheduled unless they receive information about a postponement or cancellation from their local Democratic County Chair or the official Texas Democratic Party website.

"As we begin the next step in the convention process, all eyes are once again on Texas, watching and waiting to see the outcome of the delegate count that will be determined by our County and Senatorial District Conventions and State Convention. I am confident that the vast majority of Democrats will conduct our convention business in the fairest, most professional, and most impartial manner possible, as we work to convert the enthusiasm driving the convention process into Democratic victories from the County Courthouse to the State House to the White House."

=======

Only the two campaigns had access to the contact list. There is an investigation going on but there are already indications someone in the Clinton campaign may be responsible.

Posted by: zb95 | March 28, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

allenridge: You're correct. Moveon.org would be screaming bloody murder if the disenfranchisement affected their endorsed candidate, Obama. However, because it assists him in his attempt to steal the nomination, they are oddly silent. So much for their reputation . . .

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

He's right. Obama has the only chance. But the dem's will commit suicide, again, as always. McCain will invade Sunni Iran (I know, I know....Don't tell me, tell him). And we'll be stuck in three losing wars with a president who doesn't understand economics.

Posted by: vze2r3k5 | March 28, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Both Democrats are unelectable in November.

How can the Democrats expect to win the White House when they only recognize 48 states?

Where's the social justice and count all the vote liberals?

Where?

Why aren't their massive protests by the "principled" liberals within the Democrat party?

Why aren't their close pals from the far left-wing hate groups DailyKos and MoveOn.org protesting this crime against our constitution?

Where are all the "self-righteous" liberal Democrat and their close courrupt pals in our mostly liberal MSM wolfpack press when it comes to this Social Injustice?

WHERE?....................................

Now what does that "really" say about the Democrat Party?

...................really?

Posted by: allenridge | March 28, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

I'M SURE OBAMA HAD NO IDEA ABOUT THIS, EITHER, EVEN THOUGH IT HAPPENED IN JULY OF 2007 -- JERUSALEM - Sen. Barack Obama's Chicago church reprinted a manifesto by Hamas that defended terrorism as legitimate resistance, refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist and compared the terror group's official charter - which calls for the murder of Jews - to America's Declaration of Independence. The Hamas piece was published on the "Pastor's Page" of the Trinity United Church of Christ newsletter reserved for Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., whose anti-American, anti-Israel remarks landed Obama in hot water, prompting the presidential candidate to deliver a major race speech earlier this week. Hamas, responsible for scores of shootings, suicide bombings and rocket launchings against civilian population centers, is listed as a terrorist group by the U.S. State Department.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Lots of posts on this thread. Did Gov. Richardson get this many when he called on Hillary to drop out?

Posted by: JakeD | March 28, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Should the Democrats turn their backs on the woman who ...

braved sniper fire and bad hair in the Bosnian wind ...

helped Ireland achieve peace after decades of strife ...

tried to stop Nafta (by buttonholing women's groups in the White House and telling them to support it) ...

etc.,

etc.,

etc.


Yes!

Credibility counts.

Individual responsibility is the cornerstone of government accountability.

No one believes that a party represents change if it is also a party to corruption.

The Clintons used to be able to bully people in the Democratic Party.

Look at the Pavlovian response by Party fat cats who support Hillary--how they tried to push Nancy Pelosi around.

But they are burdened with more quiver than arrows.

Their no-holds-barred threats have been transformed into ineffective heavy handedness.

The Democratic Party can do better.

It will do better ...

With Barack Obama as its nominee come this November.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | March 28, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Both Democrats are unelectable in November.

How can the Democrats expect to win the White House when they only recognize 48 states?

Where's the social justice and count all the vote liberals?

Where?

Why aren't their massive protests by the "principled" liberals within the Democrat party?

Why aren't their close pals from the far left-wing hate groups DailyKos and MoveOn.org protesting this crime against our constitution?

Where are all the "self-righteous" liberal Democrat and their close courrupt pals in our mostly liberal MSM wolfpack press when it comes to this Social Injustice?

WHERE?....................................

Now what does that "really" say about the Democrat Party?

...................really?

Posted by: allenridge | March 28, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Both Democrats are unelectable in November.

How can the Democrats expect to win the White House when they only recognize 48 states?

Where's the social justice and count all the vote liberals?

Where?

Why aren't their massive protests by the "principled" liberals within the Democrat party?

Why aren't their close pals from the far left-wing hate groups DailyKos and MoveOn.org protesting this crime against our constitution?

Where are all the "self-righteous" liberal Democrat and their close courrupt pals in our mostly liberal MSM wolfpack press when it comes to this Social Injustice?

WHERE?....................................

Now what does that "really" say about the Democrat Party?

...................really?

Posted by: allenridge | March 28, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I'M SURE OBAMA HAD NO IDEA ABOUT THIS, EITHER, EVEN THOUGH IT HAPPENED IN JULY OF 2007 -- JERUSALEM - Sen. Barack Obama's Chicago church reprinted a manifesto by Hamas that defended terrorism as legitimate resistance, refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist and compared the terror group's official charter - which calls for the murder of Jews - to America's Declaration of Independence. The Hamas piece was published on the "Pastor's Page" of the Trinity United Church of Christ newsletter reserved for Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., whose anti-American, anti-Israel remarks landed Obama in hot water, prompting the presidential candidate to deliver a major race speech earlier this week. Hamas, responsible for scores of shootings, suicide bombings and rocket launchings against civilian population centers, is listed as a terrorist group by the U.S. State Department.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Go to www.lulu.com/aepelbaum. Watch there the front and back covers, mostly the back cover, of the book-The Impeachment of The Art of Betrayal to find out more about the real personality and "achievements" of Mrs. Clinton.

Posted by: aepelbaum | March 28, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Leahy's call for bowing out would only emboldened the Sen Clinton's supporters to fight the good fight just like Ohio and Texas. Outnumbered in all: money for ads, supporters and endorsements and yet WINNER....the good people will decide and not the media, party elders,endorsers, etc....and their TACTICS will boomerang in due time. GO HILLARY GO! GOD BLESS JOAN OF ARC!....

Posted by: johnboiles30 | March 28, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Brian, you're hopeless. Now you just need to ask Obama about your twisted interpretation

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Mental lightweights. The silence feels wonderful.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Brian: Wrong again. "There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama." In the preceding sentence, the word "happened" denotes something that has ALREADY OCCURRED. This, of course, is not possible, unless your idol's parents were time travelers.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Buddy2

Thanks for the post. We who want Michigan and Florida votes counted are with you!!!

What is required from you Floridians is to write and call your state legislators and SENATOR OBAMA. Tell them both that you will not have your voice and your votes taken away from you.

I ask you to contact Senator Obama because it is his lawyers who are muddying the waters and obstructing revotes. What you need to tell Obama is that he cannot disenfranchise Florida and Michigan voters now and then expect them to be there for him in November. Pass this on. thx

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Planner/Celested9 why don't you haters just take your lies and ignorance somewhere where you might get away with it. Guess you feel real dumb now...I would.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

It is inappropriate for Hillary to be pushed out at this time when you have the unbelievable unfair stupidity of disenfranchising Florida and Michigan. It seems the elites have a remarkably short memory if they actually don't redo Florida considering what happened in 2000 and also considering that with three candidates on the ballot Hillary had an easy win in Florida. Howard Dean is a complete disaster. How much sense is it for Obama to be coronated when Hillary almost every large state that Democrats have to win.

Let Pennsylvania happen an and then in the end we might end up with an Obama-Clinton ticket. Perhaps not the ideal ticket on paper but considering they have completely diferent and equally strong bunch of supporters in terms of their demographics it may be the best way to stop defections to McCain. Frankly Obama is making me uncomfortable as he's moving way out on the left.

Posted by: marcpw | March 28, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

It's simple: Obama can take McCain in the general election and Clinton cannot. When he won Iowa (seems like ages ago), a high-ranking GOP operative said, "She's done. We're done." I think those 4 words, from the oppostion camp, make it pretty clear who the candidate should be. I am hoping she does the right thing. Soon.

Posted by: laurelharry | March 28, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

And just to put the date in perspective for you: 1965 was the culmination and horrible event that was the result of over eight years...the voting rights effort there and the organization of black and whites against voter dicrimination began in the late 1950's.

Again, the library is right down the street. Step off fools!

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

This democrat says, "I will not voter for that woman". I have lost my respect for the Clintons, all of them.

Posted by: truth1 | March 28, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S NEW PASTOR COMPARES REV. WRIGHT TO JESUS -- CHICAGO -- The new pastor of Barack Obama's church delivered a defiant defense of its retiring reverend Sunday, comparing media coverage of Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. to a modern-day lynching that resembles Jesus' death at the hands of the Romans. In a sunrise Easter sermon, Rev. Otis Moss III implied that his mentor, who has delivered sermons in which he likened the U.S. to the Ku Klux Klan and declared it damned for its "state-sponsored terrorism," is facing the same challenges Jesus did."No one should start a ministry with lynching, no one should end their ministry with lynching," Moss said. "The lynching was national news. The RNN, the Roman News Network, was reporting it and NPR, National Publican Radio had it on the radio. The Jerusalem Post and the Palestine Times all wanted exclusives, they searched out the young ministers, showed up unannounced at their houses, tried to talk with their families, called up their friends, wanted to get a quote on how do you feel about the lynching?" he continued.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Some of the forists here must suffer from amnesia.
Hillary Clinton is in Germany well known for being THE person accumulating all bad habits possible.
Gambling around, not trustworthy, lying, selfish and ignorant. Yes, she never gives up telling people she ist best, but day by day, more people and journalists come to the conclusion, that they will not trust and believe her any longer.
That's it, whether she want to fight up to August 10 and then tries to take the DNC to court for not nominating her or not, she will leave sooner or later, when more voices of pundits come to the surface and people will notice the fakes of her.

My got, what a strange personallity and how many pupets on her string, like Rendell, Schumer etc.
The catastrophy will start, when she has to go or will not be nominated. She WILL NEVER accept, Clintons have never had anything like sportsmenship, or reasonable behaviour.

What must the Hillary backer thing about her? Are they suffer fron amnesia????

Posted by: sieweke | March 28, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Clintons have poured so much disgusting dirt on Obama, when their lives, careers and everything around them are so obviously dirty and solidly selfish and dishonest, and very suspiciosly full of crimes, that they, sure, deserved to be asked, still politely though, to get out of the race they have no chance to win anyway. Their continuing quest for this country's presidency, under the circumstance of the obvious demolition of WTC on 9/11, looks, like the desperate attempt to be not made responsible for terrible crimes.

Posted by: aepelbaum | March 28, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I believe Hillary's Bosnia sniper lies will have lasting negative impact. That incident completely comfirmed to many she she is fake, dishonest and cannot be trusted. The political cartoonists all across the country are having a field day with this issue. Often a clever political cartoon can have more impact than a well-worded opinion article.

Posted by: zb95 | March 28, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I am a Florida Democrat and am tired of hearing commenters say how the primary process will somehow be tainted if the fla. results aren't counted. No, it would be a travesty for the party to suddenly "count" the votes from our "faux" primary. The candidates did not really campaign here. Fla. Democrats were told ahead of time, in the media and by elected officals, that our votes for the presidential candidate wouldn't count, so many, many people didn't bother casting a vote (the only reason I went to the polls was because a property tax amendment was on the ballot.) Hillary did not win fair and square here. We either need to hold a new primary, or not count the votes at all. It's my feeling that more fla. democrats would be furious if the votes suddenly counted, than would be if they weren't, as many did not bother to vote. A re-do is the only perfectly fair solution, but short of that, don't count the votes. I voted and I won't feel disenfranchised if it doesn't count!

Posted by: Buddy2 | March 28, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

You are a bonehead...do you know how to read...his point is that the events in Selma were a signal that it was OK for his parents to fall in love...if they did not he would not be here...its symbolic...he claims Salma as significant in bringing his parents together...in Hawaii...where he was born...wow you are slow...response? Apology?

They have adult reading courses you know.

So quick to judge...so blind with hate for the man.

That's called a "slam dunk" and not the kind that Bush heard about. Get off the court!

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Hillary needs to stay in and continue to point out Obama's major drawbacks. She hasn't even exposed all the good ones yet.

Obama the Snake Oil Salesman.

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Posted by: ekim53 | March 28, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Hillary's Irish question, here is an account from a newspaper last week: While much credit needs to go to the people of Northern Ireland, Great Britan, and the Republic of Ireland, credit must go to the Clinton Administration as well. President Bill Clinton appointed former Senator and Federal Judge George Mitchell to lead an international body to assist the participants in the peace process. Mitchell was the right person, at the right time for this job. His skills were evident when he learned the last person signed the agreement. Mitchell called a meeting of all parties 15 minutes later. That proved to be the right move to build relationships necessary to move the process along over the last decade. But there is another person to thank for the ten year peace. That person is Hillary Clinton. She's got women involved in the process. Many observers beleive that it was the women's involvement that was the turning point in the negotiations. George Mitchell said Hillary Clinton's role was "significant." Gerry Adams of Sinn Fein, John Hume of the Social Democrat and Labor Party, and David Trimble of the Ulster Unionists have said that Hillary Clinton was helpful in bringing the parties together. They not only say that now, but they said it back in 1997. Hillary Clinton visited Northern Ireland seven times, and knew - by name - the ninety members that were party to the negotiations. I'm a John McCain supporter. But after hearing Barrak Obama and Dick Morris dismiss Hillary Clinton's role in the peace agreement as ceremonial, I just had to set the record straight." *** Obama desperately wants to change the subject from his own lies and affiliations. Is this the "change" he's been talking about?

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Brian look at my post....I am really sorry but he did lie about his parents and Selma.

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Latest poll shows Obama only 12 points back in PA. That before the Casey endorsement and the big 6 day bus tour starting today. There is plenty of time for Barack to close the gap even more and he has plenty of money to run ads everywhere in the state. I suspect this will be alot closer than many are predicting. Hillary loses unless she wins by at least 20-30 points.

Posted by: zb95 | March 28, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

"Leahy can't count and neither can you.
Obama only has a lead if he ignores millions of voters.

There is no solid lead by Senator Obama. The only way this particular form of math works is if you leave out 2 entire states."


Pathetic. No one is stopping those states from holding fair votes, but their Democratic parties chose not to.

Meanwhile Hillary is trying to include the vote in a state where her name was the ONLY one on the ballot!

In my opinion that shows a profound disrespect of fairness- the sort we have grown accustomed to under Bush. A vote for Hillary is a vote for more of the same. Dirty tricks, dirty politics, no goals except winning.

No thanks.

Posted by: wideblacksky | March 28, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Brian: Since you do so little research, I thought I'd look it up for you. It appears from reports that Obama's parents met while students at the University of Hawaii at Mānoa. Obama was born on August 4, 1961. Obama, of course, has said that his parents met at the Selma march. The Selma March was on March 7, 1965. This, however, is just another of a series of miracles surrounding the magic man, Obama; he was actually born 4 years prior to the meeting of his parents.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Keep reachin...you still wont steal the nomination...but keep trying...it just makes the loss uglier.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Brian,..it was from his web site:

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/03/04/selma_voting_rights_march_comm.php
and here is the quote: He is talking about his father Barack Obama and his mother meeting at the Selma march.

"This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great-grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that the world as it has been it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama."

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

http://twocanpete.blogspot.com/
This is no way to treat a combat veteran like Hillary!

Posted by: twocanpete | March 28, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

If the Clintons were capable of running a clean campaign without the all nastiness then most would have no problem with her staying in the race.

Posted by: zb95 | March 28, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

How about the facts...apparently they are not so sacred. Still have no citation on your "facts"? Surprise.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

What does Howard Dean especially know about avoiding catastrophes of a political nature? Seriously. His LAST chance of avoiding the disaster that is already upon the Democratic party was when the Obama campaign began to play the race card against THIS party's version of the Reagans. He could have sat the Obama campaign down and said... no... we're not going to do this. This IS a two term president and his first lady. They ARE the Democratic party. You can't destroy them. It WILL end in disaster. But, people. Howard Dean wouldn't have known. He doesn't have that kind of political insight or talent. Howard Dean did this. And now he'd like the party's only champions and proven winners to step aside for a guy who was an Illinois state senator about three years ago? A guy whose pastor has made the Republican's version of I Have a Dream come true? Yeah. That's sounds about right.

Posted by: jammerbirdi | March 28, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Leahy sounds like a typical Democrat.

When the going gets rough, one should waive the white flag.

Obama's not like that, and we know Hillary's not like that.

Obama should publicly condemn Leahy.

Posted by: camasca | March 28, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Infested9,

You can't just say some BS like that and throw your hands up when confronted...you've lost what ever credibility you thought you had...I'm bored now.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

so Selma according to dickwad didn't exist before it was made famous? HAHA.

Posted by: soodus | March 28, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Hillary can't win. She needs to think of the country and the party and drop out.

Posted by: wideblacksky | March 28, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Brian

yes, Democracy is sacred to me.

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

"There's virtually no way that Clinton wins the nomination"

Leahy can't count and neither can you.
Obama only has a lead if he ignores millions of voters.

There is no solid lead by Senator Obama. The only way this particular form of math works is if you leave out 2 entire states.
The Obama campaign would make you think we only have 48 states.

Michigan and Florida, If you add both of these state back in..guess who has more delegates? Senator Clinton.

Don't believe me, go to www.thegreenpapers.com. There is a grid in the middle of the page with and without sanction counts.

Posted by: ken_wilsonii | March 28, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

If I'm not mistaken... wasn't the electoral college and super delegates created to be a balance for the uninformed voter.

I have studied government and politics in college and of most my life. Since I was eighteen years of age, I have voted in every election from city council to president of the USA.

Personally, I resent the voter who wakes up and decides to vote for the first time in their life because of the candidate's race.

It isn't fair to me as a diligent, responsible and conscientious voter, it isn't fair to the country, and certainly not in the best interest of that particular (or other) uninformed voter.

Wasn't the electoral college and/or super delegates created to protect us from ourselves?

Wouldn't voting simply in accordance to popular defeat that purpose?

Posted by: BevGarr1 | March 28, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Celested9,

Citation please? I have his own words (his book) and a bunch of folks in Hawaii to back up my answer? What do you have?


Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

To wilsonmg_2000... You said "I don't believe that any democratic voters should be disengfranchised and I doubt that is what Senator Leahy is trying to do. I think the point he makes, which actually loses some of its thrust because he is an Obama supporter, is that it is mathematically speaking, very unlikely that Clinto will be able to bring the contest to a draw before the convention. That is a simple fact."

Still... the argument persist, let the nomination process continue. If at the end it boils down to the superdelegates to vote, let them do so. BTW, the superdelegates will not overturn anybody's votes... the superdelegates votes are independent and should be treated as such. Otherwise, change the rules of the nomination or remove the the superdelegates altogether. While you are at it, remove the caucuses since these are controlled by the noisy few.

Clinton should fight until she or Obama get the majority of the delegates. No majority for either one means the race goes on. Also, make sure that the MI and FL voters get to have their say in the process. It is very unfortunate that Obama, despite pretensions to unite the party, would not let the MI and FL votes stand. He is afraid to find out that the majority don't like him.

Posted by: CPCook | March 28, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

LarryG62

Obama wrote, his parents first met at Selma. which is impossible since he was born 4 years earlier.

Understand? I don't want to know where his parents actually met. I want to know why anyone would lie about something like that?

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Clinton postiteers make themselves feel better by saying they will vote for the McCain (bothe McCain and Bill Clinton said the Iraq war would be short and sweet).

Glad to see you go. We actually think people in foreign countries are human beings. They are not collateral damge.
McCain does not care, the Clintons do not care; we are all guessing Obama might actually care. He might think all people are people.

Sure the pastor he has is scary, stupid and dangerous. But unlike McCain and his religious supporters, Obama is not scary stupid and dangerous. He is actually pretty conserative where and when that matters, believe it or not.


Posted by: shrink2 | March 28, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

There is a great deal of mythological misrepresentation that goes on in any nation, I suppose...nationalism. The American Ideal...born of revolution, for the people...by the people...when in reality, it was born of genocide of the "Indians", for rich white men, built on the backs of slaves and indentured servants.

The USAs support of despots is well known, as is our support of death squads in Central America...

3 to 5 millions killed in VietNam (I was an Army liaison to the VietNamese for 23 months...1969-1971) I still ask myself why? For Colt Industries? Boeing? Hughes? Lockheed Martin?

It continues to this day...we have bases in 130 plus countries. Why? Money. Which is what moves our 'citizens' to vote. Well, 50%, maybe.

Jeremiah Wright spoke truth to authority. The most segregated hour of the week in the USA is on Sunday. I'd bet there were more whites at Wright's church...than there are blacks at the church Sean Hannity attends.

Iraq...at least Bush is admitting that the war is about oil, now.

McCain a hero? What is the definition? He admitted to bombing civilian targets less than two days after being saved from drowning by some peasant fishermen. He also admitted to being the son of a very powerful Admiral in the US Navy. McCain was a POW, who admirably at one time called for the closing of Guantanamo...and rightfully called for an end to torture. He's changed his tune now...to pander to the 'conservative' base. Heroic, or opportunistic? Hillary, evading sniper fire, ducking and covering on the tarmac in Bosnia...aligning herself with war heroism...albeit one of fantasy. Bill suggesting only Hillary and McCain patriotic enough to engage in the general election.

We're going to continue to have more of the same...grinding this country to shreds...

10 trillion dollars of debt, an visible economic collapse, looming crises with boomers retiring...

We need to stop our interventionism...our adventurism...and work on our own house. We need bullet trains. Livable cities. Sustainable agriculture...locally produced. Sustainable, clean energy...made in the USA. Products the world wants...jobs with living wages. Not only health care, which in this country is 'sick care'...but a healthy, engaged citizenry. With such cynicism and lies abounding...people are disengaging...the opposite of what we need.

Perhaps the American Ideal can become more than a myth...when we take our blinders off, and see the world with some true perspective.

I suggest and highly recommend both Free Speech TV and Link TV...

I want to be the best me I can be, by walking my talk in my daily life. I want the same from my country and its citizens.

It begins with me.

Posted by: balancing_stones | March 28, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Leahy should keep quiet until all the primaries are over. The day after the last primary, then all the super delegates can speak up.
By then Obama will have kept a clear advantage, enough even for Florida and Michigan to be seated with their dubious votes. It won't matter. Barring a catastrophe, Obama will be the Dem nominee, fair and square. Then Hillary can accept the will of the voters.

Posted by: bfjam | March 28, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

davestickler,

I am believing that you are a quiter in life. When the challage arises you fail to continue huh... well thats the difference between Hillary and yourself. You need to do a lil research as some other members did already and even posted them for you to digest, it is a real close race!!!! Why would she in the right mind pull out of a race that she has the chance to obtain victory. AS for Sen. Patrick Leahy all I can say if the fear that Hillary will have victory is killing him simply b/c SHE is a SHE!!! Hillary is outspoken, very intellegent female that can make a difference and men just can't deal with the fact that she can accomplish much of what BUSH did not!!!

Posted by: cathygcandles | March 28, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

davestickler,

I am believing that you are a quiter in life. When the challage arises you fail to continue huh... well thats the difference between Hillary and yourself. You need to do a lil research as some other members did already and even posted them for you to digest, it is a real close race!!!! Why would she in the right mind pull out of a race that she has the chance to obtain victory. AS for Sen. Patrick Leahy all I can say if the fear that Hillary will have victory is killing him simply b/c SHE is a SHE!!! Hillary is outspoken, very intellegent female that can make a difference and men just can't deal with the fact that she can accomplish much of what BUSH did not!!!

Posted by: cathygcandles | March 28, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Boneheads! Where did Obama's parents meet? Just keep posting it and it might be true. Why don't you just exchange numbers and get on with it you guys.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

brian:

dates and names. Obama said his parents met at Selma...this is documented. He said he was a professor teaching constitutional law, he was a lecturer, never professor. He said he worked in CHICAGO, on a asbestos and housing project for the poor, not true. If it is documented as you say. Provide the documentation. Thanks for the reply Brian. Dialogue is good.

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Celested9,

Sometimes your post doesn't go through and you get no notice...its called a glitch...its happened to me numerous times today...everything is not a conspiracy against you and your sacred beliefs.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Celeste: Many Obama supporters cannot face the truth about their candidate, period. They began supporting him when they knew nothing about him, and now that they've invested so much of themselves in the "change" he pretended to represent, there is just no turning back for them. No, they will not let information which does not support their image of this man intrude upon their dreams. I blame Obama for this, more than his supporters. He knew he was perpetrating a terrible hoax on the voters of this country from the start. He knew the kinds of ruthless tactics he had used from the beginning to jumpstart his political career. He knew about his dubious associations and how they flew in the face of his calls for "change" and "unification." He knew about the racist theology to which he subscribed for 20 years, and how destructive such ideas are to the progress of race relations in this country. No, I do not place primary blame for our current unfortunate situation on his supporters; I place it squarely on Obama, who has shown an almost criminal lack of concern about the damage his tactics have done not only to the Democratic Party, but more importantly, to relations between the races about which, ironically, he professes to care so much.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I want to see her drop out for two reasons.

(1) She cannot recover the lead

(2) After seeing her campaign, I no longer want to see her as president

Posted by: chrisfox8 | March 28, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

You know, it's ok if you don't vote or vote for another party. No one owes anyone anything.

Every election I voted my party because the times demanded that we get out the reigning admnistration and replace it with the new improved candidate

Sometimes the new candidate would get in and the only time in my lifetime (I am alot older than most of your here) I saw positive change was with Bill Clinton.

Now everyone goes this election is so important if your don't vote for the dem nominee well the world will end and we will have 100 more years of war

REALLY - not

At some point we have to take a stand and stop letting these two parties rule our thinking and our lives

I don't like the republican party but the democratic party in many ways is no better

I became an Indpendent and it feels great. I no longer have to cringe everytime my old party does something stupid, like disenfranchise Michigan and Florida voters in the "so important" election.

so buck up and take a stand to take back the country by denying the two parties the dependency of your vote

if you don't like the candidate, don't vote

your life will be the same the day after the election I assure you, you will still have to get up and get to work on time, deal with bad hair days and still pay too much for gas

as for Leahy - another blowhard for Obama

some of these people are so attached to their endorsement for a candidate they just can't take the heat of competition annoint themselves saviours of the human race

Hillary is a fighter, that's why I like her, she doesn't buckle under just cause some old guys says she should quite, and she has heard it all and it doesn't phase her, she is perfect to go against the republican smear machine, and she won't cry racist everytime someone hurts her little feelings

She is tough, so you get tough

Everytime one of you babies says "she needs to get out, she is ruining the party etc., " remember - you are denying someone a vote, so who the h... do some of you people think you are, and that includes you Senator Leahy

go Hillary

Posted by: lndlouis | March 28, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

The Planner:

Many thanks....We voters need information about both candidates. What we don't need are diatribes and trash talk. Information is key. This is what I try to post.

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

All we've heard from Obama and his minions since the release of Hillary's 11,000 pages, is that there was no evidence that she played a significant role in 8 years at the White House. However, here is a release from Judicial Watch, the group who filed suit to release the papers: The thousands of pages of Hillary Clinton's documents generated while the New York senator was first lady during husband Bill Clinton's presidency reveal a sort of "Co-President Hillary," according to the chief of Judicial Watch, the organization that filed a lawsuit to obtain their release. About 11,000 pages of Mrs. Clinton's daily schedules were released today by the National Archives and Records Administration, and Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton told Fox News a quick overview revealed some interested activities. "It looks like she was co-president, involved with Cabinet-level meetings," he told the network. "She was meeting with Cabinet-level officials on a daily basis." ** These quotes are form Judicial Watch, hardly a Hillary Clinton supporter. So which is it; she has no experience, or she was co-President? Could Obama be purposefully downplaying her experience? Duh!

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Seems like Clinton supporters like Huckabee were schooled in miracles. Reality - my dear enemies - has a nice way of catching up. it caught up with that bamboozled evolution denying idiot Huckabee, and math will catch up with Mrs. Clinton sometime too. Till then keep thumping your drums and launching ridiculous appeals based on shoddy reasons.

Posted by: soodus | March 28, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

DID IT AGAIN!!! SHAME, SHAME, SHAME

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Hillary doesn't have to tear Obama down. Obama's association with Pastor Wright is poison to his chances in November. It SHOULD be poison to his chances NOW, here in the primary, if it weren't for the tone deaf losers who make up the Democratic party. They're are going to fall on the Pastor Wright sword with Obama and throw away the 2008 election. Because they think it's the right thing to do.

Posted by: jammerbirdi | March 28, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

I think most people who oppose Obama do so on the basis of his lack of experience; his poor judgment; and his lack of credibility. His ruthless campaign tactics have not helped, either. Most American don't know much about him, but he has been a ruthless politician from the get-go. Here is an article from the Chicago Tribune about how he obtained his first elective office in the 1990's. Very nasty (you may have to cut and paste this to your browser):
http://tinyurl.com/2zwwte

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Just some of Obama's lies: 1. his continual reference to his "Christian" faith, which is actually "black liberation theology"; 2. his lies and omissions about his connection to his racist and anti-American "mentor and spiritual adviser"; 3. his alleged continual opposition to the Iraq war; 4. his denial regarding playing the race card (for which he was busted by Tim Russert); 5. his denial that any meeting took place between his chief economic adviser and the Canadian official about NAFTA; 6. his changing testimony about his relationship with and monetary support from Rezko; 7. his lie about a pharmaceutical lobbyist's involvement in his campaign; 8. his statement that his parents met at the Selma march (when he was actually born 4 year before that); 9. his claim in his book that he received his racial awakening at age nine reading a Life/Ebony Magazine story about a black man who was scarred trying to dye his skin white, when both Life and Ebony say there was no such article.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Why are some Dems wouldn't just let the nomination process runs it course? Are they afraid that more skeletons are discovered in Obama's closet or the people finally realize that Obama won't win in November?

As it is, many are contemplating on voting for McCain if Obama is the Democratic nominee. If Obama is forced on the rest of us, then it will just reinforce the inclination to vote for McCain in November.

It is unfortunate that some Dems would rather see Clinton withdraw rather than work out a plan in un-disenfranchise Michigan and Florida. So sad...

Fact... many Democrats see Obama as a poor candidate for president and many will vote accordingly.

Posted by: CPCook | March 28, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY HAS every right to stay in the race, Leahy is part of the OL BOYS CLUB in the Democratic Party and OBAMA is going to join that club. NO WAY.

HILLARY will change hope into reality.

www.hillaryspeaksforme.com
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cCG5Tp4ZwZI

Posted by: mjno | March 28, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

It is a bit astounding but it seems the comments have been taken over by rank idiots of the Clinton camp. Firstly - Whatever Pastor Wright said is basically true. There is little doubt that America has reasons to be ashamed for its terrible legacy of slavery and racism. It has reasons to be ashamed for a ridiculous foreign policy - led by Democrats like LBJ and Bay of Pigs Kennedy. But Obama contests these remarks for while they are true - and hold your underwears Clinton supporters - America is not just about these negative things. He speaks about the positive and what is right with America - the country which has given a fresh chance to millions, and led the world in war against fascism (albeit late). Obama's pastor is not a racist. He is a patriot. It is only in this country - especially dogged by the insanity and inanity of rank idiots like Clinton supporters (much less the people who vote for likes of Bush) - that common sense is condemned as some sort of racism. Clinton has the phenomenal inability to be honest. What sets Obama apart is this clear ability to move beyond not just the partisan morass but the blindingly self-centered illogical enterprise that politics has become in US.

You know you ought to be concerned about a candidate that outrightly lies - yes Clinton lied - about her 'experience' in Bosnia. She may call it "misspeaking" but it is damn outright lying. And lying for burnish image, for sheer willingness to do anything to get to what she wants - white house. This is the kind of attitude that has defined Bush White House and defines what is wrong with America.

Lastly try disentangling insinuation from reason. Yes Obama is a son of a polygamist father. what does it mean? Does it make him a polygamist? No. Does it change him from being a fundamentally superb human being? No. This is a father who left him at 2. He was raised by a wonderful caring mom. And at that matter - what is so stupendously wrong with polygamy iff women concur. I am fine with polyandry too.

Lastly - having even a mildly reasonable stance on Israel - inarguably a prime example of state sponsored terrorism - evokes gasps from the otherwise sane. Obama much to my disappointment has a ridiculously pro-Israel stance. He sent out a special message (available on youtube) to people of Sderot. Try looking at facts for once. they may surprise you. I would recommend the same to Hillary. of course she stays where no facts may reach her.

Republicans F'''ed this country with 30 years of opionation and lack of concern for facts. don't turn Democrats into the same. Certainly don't elect someone who doesn't care enough for facts as is nicely shown by fabrication of Bosnia episode.

Posted by: soodus | March 28, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

"What this power is, I cannot say. All I know is that it exists...and it becomes available only when you are in that state of mind in which you know EXACTLY what you want...and are fully determined not to quit until you get it."Alexander Graham Bell
"Never does the human soul appear so strong and noble as when it forgoes revenge and dares to forgive injury."Edwin Hubbel Chapin
"It matters if you just don't give up."Stephen William Hawking
"The man who gives up accomplishes nothing and is only a hindrance. The man who does not give up can move mountains."Ernest Hello
"Winners never quit and quitters never win" Vincent Thomas "Vince" Lombardi

Posted by: jwb092373 | March 28, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

misewicz: I enjoyed your post, so please don't think I am attacking you. You had implied that Obama could not be racist because his mother was white. Actually, when Louis Farrakhan was extolling the virtues of Obama recently to his followers, he made particular mention of the fact that Malcolm X's mother was white, also. Yes, Malcolm X who hated white people with a passion, until his conversion from the Nation of Islam just prior to his murder by NOI members.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

"What this power is, I cannot say. All I know is that it exists...and it becomes available only when you are in that state of mind in which you know EXACTLY what you want...and are fully determined not to quit until you get it."Alexander Graham Bell
"Never does the human soul appear so strong and noble as when it forgoes revenge and dares to forgive injury."Edwin Hubbel Chapin
"It matters if you just don't give up."Stephen William Hawking
"The man who gives up accomplishes nothing and is only a hindrance. The man who does not give up can move mountains."Ernest Hello
"Winners never quit and quitters never win" Vincent Thomas "Vince" Lombardi

Posted by: jwb092373 | March 28, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I answered Celested9 directly and factually...care to counter my response to him...where did Obama's parents meet? Didn't think so.


Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

I hope Clinton keeps slinging the mud, lying to everyone, calling names and playing the racist cards. Fight, fight and fight some more. Spend money, insult each other. I hope you destroy the subversive party you misname democratic. Nothing could be better for our country than for you liberal mutts to eviscerate each other. Couldn't happen to a more appropriate bunch of extremists.

Posted by: LarryG62 | March 28, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY HAS every right to stay in the race, Leahy is part of the OL BOYS CLUB in the Democratic Party and OBAMA is going to join that club. NO WAY.

HILLARY will change hope into reality.

www.hillaryspeaksforme.com
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cCG5Tp4ZwZI

Posted by: mjno | March 28, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

First comment nailed it.

"Ummmm.....why is everyone treating Hillary like she is Mike Huckabee, the race is extremely tight, she is leading in PA, looking good in IN, and might even be able to pull off a suprise in NC. This is purely manufactured by Obama supporters that are afraid if this race goes on it will show his weaknesses to an even greater extent."

They want her out before the political world can get a look at how a post-Pastor Wright Obama runs against a tough opponent. They figure they can mend the fences before November but they're scared to death to have Obama running against Hillary Clinton so soon.

If I had a blog I would call what's going on here:

Night of the Not So Living Democrats.

Because if you look at what is happening, it is like a parade of apparitions from the Democratic party's presidential politics LOSER past, who lead-footed and zombie-like, are stumbling around the only winners at presidential party politics we've had in decades.

The well meaning but wooden non-orators like Bill Bradley, the unattractive and talentless like Howard Dean, the tone deaf guys who couldn't connect like John Kerry, and the guys like Chris Dodd and Bill Richardson, who themselves couldn't get past that part of the presidential politics thing where people actually were needed to vote for them.

It is that the party is in the hands of these losers from the past, zombies who in this election are all trying to live again through the young Barack Obama, they're the ones ignoring what is now about half their own party's voters, insisting that the choice for president of half their own party just up and QUIT.

But would you expect anything else from this group of losers? Quitting is something they all are very familiar with.

Posted by: jammerbirdi | March 28, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

It is fairly simple at this point. Hillary's only chance is to tear down Obama to the point that she makes herself and the party look extemely bad.

She has the right to do this, but comes off as caring more about herself than the country or party.

Keep backing Hillary if you want McCain to win.

Posted by: Juked | March 28, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Dean,should be fired!He is the one who has bungled this primary! No NO no..it shpuld go all the way to Denver! Leahy,Pelosi,Reid..should be ashamed..the DNC has made a mess of this important primary season...FLA and MI should have been negotiated with before the season began..The special order of the states is sooo stupid! Everyone should have their vote counted. With the closeness of the race and the fact that Hillary has won the big states..we should have a brokered August process..If the media had done its homework prior in the season and th Wright Resko informmation had come out, Obama would not have many of the votes he has had so far. I have already filed for Independent status like many others who are disgusted w/ the DNC. Leaaahy SIT DOWN AND LET THE PROCESS OF DEMOCRACY CONTINUE!!!

Posted by: laurenr1 | March 28, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Most voters will reject the old George Bush clan in the general election. The vitriol between Obama and Clinton is unfortunate, but voters will remember how much Republicans have damaged this great country in the last 8 years.

Posted by: mingftsai1 | March 28, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Most voters will reject the old George Bush clan in the general election. The vitriol between Obama and Clinton is unfortunate, but voters will remember how much Republicans have damaged this great country in the last 8 years.

Posted by: mingftsai1 | March 28, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

What? Nothing...shocker!

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

celested: Do you notice that with many Obama supporters (e.g. Brian, terry.santiago, etc.), they can never answer any questions in a straight forward manner; they can only attack. I guess that makes sense, though; their idol Obama is quite like that himself.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

This is the time the democratic party needs to be reformed. LEAHY is part of the OL BOYS CLUB. They are as "fickle" as could be in supporting a candidate.

Hillary should not leave, she has quite a bit of the popular vote.

MAYBE I PRAY that AMERICA WILL WAKE UP AND SHOW THESE OL BOYS AND BIASED NEWS MEN.

WWW.HILLARYSPEAKSFORME.COM

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cCG5Tp4ZwZI

Posted by: mjno | March 28, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

WHEN SOMEONE LIKE ME ACTUALLY PUTS OUT ACTUAL INFO ABOUT OBAMA...YOU REMOVE MY POSTS.

COME ON!!!

ARE YOU IN THE TANK FOR OBAMA ALSO!!

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm Democrat. Both Obama and Hilary are good candidates; however, I don't think Obama is ready to a president. He sounds good in speech, but seems to me that he has no substance. If he's the nominee, for sure, I'm going to vote for McCain. Though I'm Democrat, I still want a person who knows how to the job.

Posted by: fratboy76 | March 28, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Vote LEWINSKY'S Boyfriend's Wife 08

Oh yes, this is what the Republicans and FoxNews is wait'n for.


Posted by: bjb | March 28, 2008 06:40 PM
_____________

LOL

This is all old news.

"God Damn America" and "He's like an uncle to me" is much fresher meat.

If I was working for the Republicans on this one, I'd much rather go up against Obama now.

Posted by: write2caro | March 28, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Ok planner...now THAT was glib.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

fartfella,

Ok...now you're startin to scare me...put down the pipe bomb...walk up the basement stairs...go outside...take a deep breath...count to ten...there...calm? Now gather your thoughts and come back we still love you.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

What's happen to Obama's wife? Did they finally put her in the closet? Sorry Dems, but Obama will not win in November. This Hillary supporter will never for for an empty suit. Sorry.

Posted by: afellow1 | March 28, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse


Vote LEWINSKY'S Boyfriend's Wife 08

Oh yes, this is what the Republicans and FoxNews is wait'n for.

Lets give it to them, as it is only going to get better.

The Democratic party discussion is a sand box, wake up. Clinton stop, bring party together. Or we go into Iran with McCain.

Most importantly, Democrats threat'n to vote for McCain are just plan stupid.

Posted by: bjb | March 28, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

shrink2

Such smugness. Spare us. Money alone never got any one elected. Ask Perot or even in this election ROn Paul, who out raised McCain for a long time.

At this point, I am sure Clinton is unfortunately not going to be elcted. Too much of the democratic establishment is against the Clintons, for jealousy or any other petty reasons, and they in cohoots with media have ganged up against the CLintons. Unfortunately, most people in this country are easily brainwashed (check out W's ratings post 9/11), so enough democrats fell for the Obama rhetoric and Clinton bashing, where they are now essentially tied, but with the help of super D's Obama will get the nomination.

However, my fervent hope is that enough of the Hillary supporters have some sort of memory and will either sit out, write Paul's name, or even vote McCain (assuming his VP choice is not too horrible), since he can't be any worse than Obama.

Posted by: intcamd1 | March 28, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I think Hillary should drop out as soon as Leahy drops dead. It's a fair deal.

Posted by: tmcinroy | March 28, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

As a Progressive member of the Democratic Party I hope that Some of you WILL vote for John Mccain in Nov. it will make the Dem's stronger by virtue.
_________

"Stronger" before or after they lose in November?

Posted by: write2caro | March 28, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm in my 30's and I'm proud of my "YOUTHFUL ENTHUSIASM". I'm also proud of my country for defeating the likes of Billary and am lookin forward to doing the same to McCain. Yup...I'm feelin pretty good right now. Karma sucks yeah?

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Let Leahy resign. Obama is still an empty suit, and although I will never vote for a Republican, I seriously doubt I will ever support, or vote for, Obama either.

Posted by: jrw1 | March 28, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, mise, but your words don't cut it: ITS THE FACTS WE ARE DEALING WITH HERE: FACT: OBAMA SAT IN THE PEWS FOR 20 YEARS AND LISTENED TO THIS RACIST GARBAGE, WHILE PEOPLE LIKE OPRAH LEFT THAT CHURCH, BECAUSE IT WAS TOO MUCH HATE, EVEN FOR HER! BUT TODAY, OBAMA, EVER THE OPPORTUNIST, SAYS HE WOULD HAVE LEFT THE CHURCH IF WRIGHT HADN'T RESIGNED1 HA HA HA! NICE TRY OBAMA, EXCEPT THAT DOESN'T EXPLAIN WHY YOU JUST NOW SAID THAT TODAY- WHEN UNDER FIRE, IT DOESN'T EXPLAIN YOUR 20 ASSOCIATION WITH THIS RACIST HATEMONGER, AND YOUR RACIST WIFE'S ASSOCIATION FOR 40 YEARS WITH THIS MAN, AND YOUR 20,000 CONTRIBUTION TO HIS CHURCH, WHICH MEANS YOU DID SUPPORT HIM IN WHATEVER HE SAID, BECAUSE NO ONE WOULD BE GIVING THAT KIND OF MONEY UNLESS HE BELIEVED IN THE MAN!

Posted by: farfalle44 | March 28, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

1) Obama said his parents met at the Selma march, Reality: he was born 4 years before that.

2) Obama said he was a constitutional law professor Reality: Obama was an instructor and never was a professor.

3) Obama said he spoke fluent Indonesian as a child Reality: His teachers there say no.

4) Obama said he was involved in community asbestos and housing project for the poor Reality: Didn't happen and this was the basis for Obama and Michelle's claims that he was a community activist in Chicago. Which both he and Michelle Obama have been saying this year.

5) Obama said in his book that he received his racial awakening at age nine reading a Life/Ebony Magazine story about a black man who was scarred trying to dye his skin white Reality: Didn't happen. Both Life and Ebony say there was no such article.

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

terry.santiago

I see you're pinch hitter for "God Damn America" crowd today.

If we have Winner-Take-All system primaries (just like Republicans), can you guess who has more Electoral College to-date?

Small Hint: It's not Obama!

You need to read more "Talking Points Memo" from Obama campaign.

Posted by: kat7 | March 28, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Dear Fellow Democrats, I am an Obama supporter and will continue to be. I have always been an admirer of the Clinton's and feel that Bill was the best POTUS that we've had since FDR. Someone said this race is splitting the party. Read the comments...proof positive.The one thing that disgusts me is the people accusing Obama of racism because of his associatio with Reverend Wright. I will ASSURE you that noone born of a black father and white mother has prejudice towards those races. As a Progressive member of the Democratic Party I hope that Some of you WILL vote for John Mccain in Nov. it will make the Dem's stronger by virtue.

Posted by: misewicz | March 28, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Farfella,

Do you have anything constructive, informative, or insightful to say or are you just going to take your ball and go home...SOB?...it looks like the writing is now on the wall for even for those that don't really read much...I know your frustrated, but we're ready for some fresh air...you're welcome to come join us...we know people say dumb things sometimes.


Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Earlier I was smirking at the anger of the Clinton postiteers.

Taunting (humor is healthy), I said, maybe if you had gone fund raising instead of posting at each other, she might have had a better chance. Then, a classic.

Some lady said the reason Obama has so many small donors is that they are the children of the rich who found $50 in the couch.

So the Clintons are not super rich, right?
Their fat cat donors wanted to buy new primary elections in Florida and Michigan.
The Clintons are complaining Barak is buying the election? I can not stop laughing. What a bunch of cranky liars.
Just release all your financial records, show all the people too poor to donate how sad your situation is Bill and Hillary.

Better yet, since all your posters seem to love to say they'll vote for McCain, do it Clintons. Throw your support to McCain one more time. Tell us how you and he are so qualified to be in war zones.

Clintons posters, just keep feeding on your anger. It is all you have left.
Just stop pleading poverty if you have not donated all you can to the losing side.

There is only so much of Bill's ill gotten gains one woman can spend.

Posted by: shrink2 | March 28, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

And Brian, it's quite clear that you are very young, your YOUTHFUL ENTHUSIASM AND FAILURE TO SEE THE TRUTH about the fraud formerly known as Barry Obama, your knight in shining armour, who has nothing to show underneath those words, is coming through...loud and clear.. But that's okay, I understand, you're young, and you don't know any better. You'll see the hard reality soon enough-Obama will NEVER be, because he NEVER WAS!

Posted by: farfalle44 | March 28, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

WRITE2CARO, its a good thing your voting republican. Your kind of logic, conclusion jumping, avoidance of big picture issues, and frankly, less than subtle prejudice will fit in well over there!

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 03:01 PM
________

Let me guess: you're part of Obama's enlightened movement for a change in political discourse in this country?!? Good job so far.

You Obama supporters had better be careful. I don't think that everyone who disagrees with the President wants to be called racist for 4 years. I'd tone that BS down if I were you. We're some of the same people who got sick of being called "unpatriotic" for not supporting GWB - wears a little thin.

You never tire of screaming "racism" or "prejudice" any time someone dares to say they do not think Obama is the best candidate for President.

If you actually think you saw "prejudice" in what I wrote, you have a problem. Maybe you should replay Obama's "brave" speech on the subject. You know... the one he gave only when his political life depended on it?

Posted by: write2caro | March 28, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

starbuck1,

It's those same losers that are endorsing Obama and putting him over the top. So call them what you want. He's going to be laughing all the way to the convention in November while she's still explaining her lies.

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

breww21

When it comes to the likes of low life scumbags (i.e. Leahy or the rest of you Obama cult zombies), even the worst VP in history is a good role model.

Posted by: intcamd1 | March 28, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

New Gallup Poll today has Obama up 8 points nationally on Clinton, 50% to 42%.

Posted by: andrewgerst | March 28, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

brian,

She got them off of a Hilary supporter website. Hasn't she realized that Hilary lies. LOL

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Amazing how the ignorant love to get up on a soap box...you've been answered...now get off the box.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

intcamd1, there you go elevate cheney, use him as an example, because hes obviously someone do be looked up too.

Posted by: breww21 | March 28, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations to Senator Leahy for asking Sen. Tonya Harding to get out of the race. She and her cabal are killing the Dems. Hillary is still under the impression that if she wins the nomination she will get all the Dems to vote for her. I'm here to tell you that's false! I have NEVER voted for a Republican, I am white, 51 years old and a union member. I will NOT vote for any Dem if she is the nominee! I will not vote for the "Manchurian Candidate" McCain either. Try me!

Posted by: wallasongs | March 28, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama continues to surround himself with losers. Ted Kennedy lost his bid for President, so did John Kerry and now both Dodd and Richardson. Obama's campaign appears to be run by a bunch of resentful losers who could not win an election.

Now the Obama campaign is calling for Hillary to drop out of the race. I guess a bunch of losers who were forced to drop out would really be upset if Hillary was able to accomplish what they were not.

Posted by: starbuck1 | March 28, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

celested9,

Just jump on board and vote Obama, because Hilary is going to be explaining her lies for the next twenty years. Don't be a retarded Democrat that stays home in November because Billary I mean Hilary didn't win.

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Brian, and it's clear as an OBAMAZOMBIE, you're living in an alternate reality if you think that disingenuous SOB Obama would EVER be elected President-that, will never happen, as you will see: Millions and millions of Americans who have not been heard of, Dem AND Republ. simply care about their country too much to EVER let that happen.

Posted by: farfalle44 | March 28, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

celested9,

Where did you get your "facts". His parents met at UH as he said in his book and as everyone in Hawaii knows and his community activism is well documented in Chicago...don't you think he would have failed a long time ago locally if he made this claim without support from the community on that point...the rest is just nonsense...so walk down to the library and check out a book...you might learn something.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama should resign from the race, endorse HRC, admit that he screwed for 20 years by staying in that infernal place, resign from the senate, and go do penance for a while.

Leahy should go ask Cheney what to do. If Cheney refuses to see him, he can look up the tape of the senate floor where Cheney advised him in a rather forthright manner.

WaPo should come out and admit that they have been getting paid on the side by the Obama campaign. They should further admit their entire staff are intellectual and ethical prostitutes, and shut the paper down, sell the building and other assets to be donated to the poor in DC.

Posted by: intcamd1 | March 28, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

celested9,

Now take a realistic look at your candidate. REALLY, and tell me how likable she is. Tell me what has she told the truth about. Tell me why she's trying to explain her lies, and not focusing on Republican Candidate MCCain (like Barack is). Have you notice, Senator Obama only gives comments about Clinton when she says something about him. Because, he's looking passed her now. She's a non-issue, he's letting her bury herself. But it is really funny that you thought those were serious issues. Good job digging up useless garbage.

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

celested, lol I have to agree with terry.santiago, Hillary bases her whole campain on experiance, in fact when challenged about her account of Bosnia, she repeatedly stuck with her guns, saying thats what happened, only when video footage surfaced did Hillary roll back, bottom line, experiance=JUST NOT THERE FOR HILLARY, and I dont believe Obama ever ran on the platform that he can speak fluetly in indonesian

Posted by: breww21 | March 28, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse


Hey EVERYONE, lets get distracted from the mess our country is in, and talk about stupid issues, like Bosnia sniper shots, or other random insignificant "lies" or what someone says who supports you favorite candidate.

The candidates should not be your idols or your favorite team to win.

Since Reagan, rich and been getting richer, and less and less health care is accessible and affordable.

The Clinton's should stop, and end gracefully.

And i won't even mention Lewinsky

Posted by: bjb | March 28, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

celested9,

You just really made me laugh with this last post. I don't think Obama is basing his campaign on any of these things you call lies. But lets take a look at Hilary shall we, her whole campaign is based on every single lie she has told. So you tell me which one holds more weight. Good try at this one though. I really got a laugh out of that post.

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

This just came across my RSS reader and yes, more online analysis. Basically, it is not looking good for Hillary:

In review, the winner is:

Web Page Traffic = Barack Obama
Facebook.com/MySpace.com = Barack Obama
Google Searches (number of) = Barack Obama
and now, finally;
Social Bookmarking Sites = Barack Obama

Source:
http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=83

Posted by: davidmwe | March 28, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Still waiting!!

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

You seem almost as angry as Hillary looked on Faux News yesterday...she blamed MI & FL on Obama... it was the state folks that canned the idea...and if you have sooo much support in those states how come you couldn't get the backing to move your plan through the statehouse...that Obama he's the reason I can't build the political will I need to win this thing...OBAMA!

(Image her in the role of Captain Kirk in the Wrath of Khan...KHAN!) Her acting is just as bad!

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Zenwick: Obama Should Withdraw

Posted by: zenwick | March 28, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse


Well if only somebody like Leahy had spoken out when Nader stuck his stupid neck out way back. We might have actually escaped having eight years with a near-idiot as president.

But America likes to learn the hard way.
And sometimes it even prefers not to learn at all.

Posted by: wardropper | March 28, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Terry Santiago:

these are the lies. now answer please...

1) Obama said his parents met at the Selma march, Reality: he was born 4 years before that.

2) Obama said he was a constitutional law professor Reality: Obama was an instructor and never was a professor.

3) Obama said he spoke fluent Indonesian as a child Reality: His teachers there say no.

4) Obama said he was involved in community asbestos and housing project for the poor Reality: Didn't happen and this was the basis for Obama and Michelle's claims that he was a community activist in Chicago. Which both he and Michelle Obama have been saying this year.

5) Obama said in his book that he received his racial awakening at age nine reading a Life/Ebony Magazine story about a black man who was scarred trying to dye his skin white Reality: Didn't happen. Both Life and Ebony say there was no such article.

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

That so-called "supercolossal speech" that dunnhaupt is referring to will only be about Global Warming. It's only global warming that Al Gore will talk about. That's his baby. He has invested his life on this bogus prediction, plain and simple.

Posted by: ry1975 | March 28, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I am not for HRC but I believe Sen. Leahy is wrong. I think each state of the Union should be able to have their vote counted.

I only agree that the campaign should be about issues and not smear tactics. I think if both candidates states their positions and talks about how different they are from John McCain the two candidates should visit and promote themselves to all who will vote; either wise, one day we will pick a candidate just after Iowa.

I just hope the debates and discussions stay positive for both Democratic candidates!

Posted by: jrubin1 | March 28, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

You got it ogdeeds!!! Let em have it.

I think some of those Obama supporters are calling you a wimp. I wouldn't let them get away with it!

Posted by: thuff7 | March 28, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Terry Santiago.

You are still not answering me. If Obama has answered those lies about his parents, nonexistent community work etc. What are those answers? Please this is the time to lay them out. Come on!!!

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Wow...talk about the dark side...Clintonites...I can feel your anger flowing inside you...

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Mike Huckabee...???...is it too early to do a "Where Are They Now?" piece on the former Gov????

Posted by: kkholliday | March 28, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Right about now I am disgusted with people who think the senator should give up before the end. She may be our only hope. Why do I say that? There are many people who are very upset with senator Obama for staying in a church for 20 years listening to hate white and hate America. I resent mosty that he has lied repeatedly to us the public and we do not put follow up questions to him.
1) he was in church and he did hear the worst sermons. It seems his press that follow him and his secret service were there with him.
2) when the journalist called his headquaters to ask about Obama and some of the statements they heard in the church. (he wanted a comment of course on what he heard) they gave him none.
3) seems like this would not go away, so what did they do? Had senator Obama give his famous race speech.
4) he lied and said he did not hear anything even wrote a letter on Huffington post to say that. But it was a lie he had to retract in his speech. a lie is a lie.
5)he knew his pastor would be trouble, so he disinvited him to his announcement for the presidency.
6)Why would he stay in a church that says that we invented the aids virus to kill the blacks? And basically they will never amount to anything because everything is run by the whites. Of course his statement was stronger!
7) How can he allow his children to hear that hate? They are taught hate, they do not come by that by themselves they are too innocent.
8) What ever possessed him to stay in a church when he did not agree with the pastor's political views, and did not like some of his statements of hate.
9)he never fully answers that question. Just asks us to look at the whole picture not just one piece, but that piece is a very consuming hatred that he is spreading. He should have been trying to uplift the parish not make them feel less because of their color. Hate is a terrible thing. It grows and festers and can consume your whole life. This is wrong on all sides. Life is too precious to waste on hatred of any kind.
The republicans already have a video of the senator saying no and then yes to hearing the sermons. It is real bad and I'm sure we will see it a million times if senator Obama is the elected one of our party. (This if found on a Politico blog) wish I could post it but I'm not sure how to post two items and not loose my comments. It is no you tube too.

I will leave by posting an article written by the journalist that heard the hate sermon, the one senator Obama said he didn't hear.
http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/obama_america_sermon/2008/03/16/80870.html

Posted by: chacha1 | March 28, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

The Obama lies I have written about have been researched and established. It is not me making this up. Come on Obama supporters...answer please. Don't you think the right wing will use them against him if he is the nominee?

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

ogdeeds,

so intelligent like many other Clinton supporters.

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse


The Clinton's should stop.
The comments listed here only illustrate the divide which the Clinton's are creating by continuing to fight it out to the end.

If they see it as a bar room brawl, and to win, everyone must fall, and Hilary can be the last person standing to collect the Democratic nomination. Ok, that maybe fair, but, then it would be August 2008, and the Democratic party would still be knocked out on the bar floor.

Enter McCain & Co. to take the White House.

EVERYONE NEEDS TO REALIZE THE REPUBLICANS ARE UNITE'N AND WE ARE STILL FIGHT'N BECAUSE CLINTON IS CONFIDENT SHE CAN WIN AN AUGUST BAR FIGHT AMONG DEMOCRATS.

And I won't even mention how Monica Lewinsky is post August news again.

Posted by: bjb | March 28, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

I think what Cheney said to Leahy is much more apt in this situation - Where is Cheney when we need him.

Posted by: intcamd1 | March 28, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm with hari.seldondr I think they need to throw *more* punches. Let's see what they can dish and what they can take. I think Bill should be in there throwing some more punches, too.

Posted by: thuff7 | March 28, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

celested9,

State what lies you are talking about? And I'm sure he's already answered them. Unlike Hilary who won't even say she flat out lied, she'll just say she's sleep deprived and misspoke.

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Senator Leahy....&%$#@!% YOU! you want your guy to win so Hillary's supporters should just go away...don't bother with our vote??? For being a public servant in the great halls of congress....you don't much care for 'the people' as long as your guys wins. BO DOES NOT have the necessary numbers either, so you want Hillary to just give the nomination to him?? Are you nuts?? My answer to you is in my first sentence.

Posted by: ogdeeds | March 28, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah...and have folks forgotten..there will be another debate and all this garbage is gonna be dumped by Hillary...they've already debated the issues and she hasn't been able to draw enough votes to beat him...all she has left is to tear him down so she looks better...its gonna go over much worse than her lame Rezko comment in SC...she will drop dramatically in the polls and lose just like she wants...ugly. Mark this post!

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Senator Leahy....&%$#@!% YOU! you want your guy to win so Hillary's supporters should just go away...don't bother with our vote??? For being a public servant in the great halls of congress....you don't much care for 'the people' as long as your guys wins. BO DOES NOT have the necessary numbers either, so you want Hillary to just give the nomination to him?? Are you nuts?? My answer to you is in my first sentence.

Posted by: ogdeeds | March 28, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Senator Leahy....&%$#@!% YOU! you want your guy to win so Hillary's supporters should just go away...don't bother with our vote??? For being a public servant in the great halls of congress....you don't much care for 'the people' as long as your guys wins. BO DOES NOT have the necessary numbers either, so you want Hillary to just give the nomination to him?? Are you nuts?? My answer to you is in my first sentence.

Posted by: ogdeeds | March 28, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Appear ole Leahy is not an advocate of free speech... Wht will he do if some one disagrees with President Obamba... Shoot them...

Posted by: robinhood2 | March 28, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

westernbiological,

how about you answering my question?

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Those Obama supporters...I would really be interested in answers to Obama's many lies...Please...

I just don't understand.

Yes Hillary exaggerated or lied about Bosnia. She wanted to "pad" her foreign policy credentials. OK.

So..you Obama supporters. Tell me why he would tell those whoppers.

Seriously.

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

westernbiological,

She does have every right to stay in the race. But you see as her I see, a lot of her snipes, critics, mud slinging, is in fact tearing the party apart. If she would've from the beginning keep it clean none of this would be an issue and democrats would've been no problem. And Democrats would've had two strong candidates and easily united when it came time to unite. BUT, with all the negativity, it's drawing a wedge in the Democratic party. Look at the Hilary supporters here, and who think Obama is being deceptive (when in fact Hilary is the one being deceptive), who are so quick to judge him, but will push her faults under the rug. It just amazes me.

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

You would think, with all the Democrats in Washington and around the country, the party could run someone for President who actually understood how important honesty and integrity are to politics today. The only change we can look forward to should either Clinton or Obama win is who is doing the lying. And if either think they will win because of their race or sex, all McCain has to do is entice Condi Rice to run as VP and things get really interesting.

Posted by: paulinparadise | March 28, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

The dems are not divided...thay are temporarily distracted by the desperation of the Clinton Campaign...it will be over by June and then its time to kick some Republican butt...McCain...economy...what's the economy...Sunni...Shia...Iran...Osama...they're all the same...let's just go after someone so i can finally have my own war!

Easy pickins...by then Rev. Wright...all these fools have...will be old news.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Tax Shelter week coming up! As in my bet is that the Clinton's dodged paying taxes on all that free money they got for being powerful....

Populism by philanthropy after I die I always say!

Posted by: robertell | March 28, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

For all of you disenfranchised Hillary supporters, join me in the FALL and vote for McCain, we will be able to finally roll back Roe vs. WADE, lol, another republican in the white house another supreme court justice on the bench, the biggest social fight for the past 40 years will be over with Roe v. Wade, think about that as you vote Republican, im a male registered as an independent, I really like Obama, and will probably vote for him, but honestly do you hear yourselfs rather vote for a republican than the opposing canidate, than 3 years down the road, on less right for the female gender, hmmmmm, smart move

Posted by: breww21 | March 28, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Since the Clinton supporters obviously do not understand simple mathematics, I'd like to put the whole campaign in context. Assume that this is the NY Marathon. Obama got out to an early lead. Obama led at eleven check points. Hillary proposed that Obama agree to take second place and allow her to come out as winner at mile marker 15. At mile marker 20, with Obama well ahead in dollars raised, delegate votes and a 3 mile lead, Hillary discovered that Obama had a 'racist trainer'. She then attempts to make it a race between her and Pastor Wright. We checked the entry forms and Wright was not listed in the race. So now as Obama comes through mile marker 20 the officials (super delegates & Dean) are asked to declare a winner now in order to prepare the team for the big race against the Republican Champ McCain.
Can you envision the uproar that will occur when the race officials declare at mile marker 25 that the race is over (that's the magic #2024). Then they give the medal to the leader. The second place runner declares that she would have won if the race had run another 5 miles. In the meantime, the Republican runner is tuning up and getting ready while the Democrats fight. Typical and they deserve to lose. Personally, I will sit this one out becuse the second place runner is continuing her pledge that if she cannot win, then let the republican runner win the big race coming up. SO!

Posted by: coach777b | March 28, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Why on earth would Hillary quit - she's got nearly half the pledged delegates, more than half of the committed superdelegates, and she's leading or even in the polls of all the remaining primary states. I think people are finally realizing that if you're going to do battle with the Republicans you got to be able to throw a punch as well as take a punch - both of which Hillary does well. Obama doesn't seem to be able to do either - seems all he can do is "reach across the isle." Personally, if you're going to fight for me as President fighting should be on your resume...Pat Leahy - what kind of a fighter are you??

Posted by: hariseldonsr | March 28, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has thick calves....

Posted by: carjackerdude | March 28, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Huh! One can´t only clearly imagine but see the burning frustration of the Hillary camp and supporters being displayed at all levels. As Leahy concludes, she may chose to stay in the race but that would not change the simple reality or basic outcome that Obama´s scores are unreachable at this point in time.

Her supporters may also hence decide to encourage her to eventually become a more bitter, bruised,heavily beaten and exhauted loser! Atleast please think about her future credibility and standing within the party as it is almost all but certain she´s at odds with the electoral maths!

Again she is free to continue the dogfight which ofcourse is fairly democratic but one doesn´t need to be a brain surgent or an astronaut to understand the outcome let not her desperate supporters!

Posted by: bcyprian2000 | March 28, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Why should either of the candidates quit the race at this time? There is a leader, but there is no winner. I'm sure there have been instances where a nominee came out of a brokered convention and was still able to be elected President. Frankly, I'm sick of these long 6-month General Election fights. Let Obama and Clinton fight it out all the way to Denver in August. That still gives someone about 75 days to campaign against John McCain and from the looks of things in the economy and Iraq that will be about 74 more days than either of these candidates really need.

Posted by: mikelate100 | March 28, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Senator Leahy...with all due respect...BUTT OUT. you are backing someone who cannot and should not win in November. Since you have had such a sterling reputation..tell Senator Obama to drop out of the race. He is a seriously damaged man and candidate.

Question for you Senator Leahy:

Given all we have learned about Obama in the last weeks, not just Wright, but his lies about his community work, his parents meeting for the first time at Selma, his nonexistent professorship, his so called legislative accomplishments, that he supposedly sponsored, but was really someone else's work and on and on.

Lies little and big that have been discovered. Then he says he didn't hear the remarks on those clips shown over and over, then he admits he did hear "some" outrageous remarks and now, because the Wright furor hasn't died down, he says he would have left Trinity if Wright hadn't "retired".

I remember thinking during George W's term, just how gullible people are. First we have those stupid people who voted for him, then those who supported him throughout his terms. So...we are all breathing a sigh of relief, it is almost over. And, GUESS WHAT, you're supporting yet another serial liar to occupy the White House. Hooray!!


Senator Leahy... can you tell me why Obama would lie about the nonexistent professorship or his fake community work he supposedly did in Chicago or ,this is a good one, why he would lie about when and where his parents first met, I would be very interested.

Worse yet, he has nowhere near the policy knowledge, work ethic or the toughness of Hillary. WHY DO YOU WANT TO MAKE HIM PRESIDENT?

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Leahy should "withdrawl" his opinions until after the people have voted. Sen Reid should reprimand him for trying to use his position to manipulate the election. He should face Senate ethics sanctions.

Posted by: autowx | March 28, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

STOP IT!

The issues in this election are far too important to let sniping and BS tear the party apart. So what if each campaign is hitting the other?

Every election, the entire population of the US gets more sensitive and touchy than an overtired four year old...

Democrats need to take a deep breath, let our emotions cool down, and realize that either Hillary OR Barack would be a great choice.

I am an Obama supporter, but Clinton has every right to stay in the race until at least June. I would support her enthusiastically if she won the race, however she won it.

Tear yourself away from CNN, MSNBC and the trillion blogs/websites/etc that make up the insatiable and histrionic news monster!


OBAMA '08

or

CLINTON '08

Posted by: westernbiological | March 28, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

afellow1,

Are you serious..You aren't paying attention too EVERY SINGLE POLL in the US. Do you really think that MCCain will hold a candle to Barack in a Debate? Hilary more well spoken then MCCain is, and he put her to shame. And the shot at Bill Richardson. If he's a slim ball why was Bill Clinton working him over so hard to endorse Hilary? If he's a slimball why was he on the Clinton's payroll for so long as a U.S. Embassador and also U.S. Secretary of Energy. The only thing you've inplied in your statement that makes any sense is you admitted it will be Obama v.s. MCCain in the Convention.

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Brian: Your post almost made sense.

Logan: You answered the question with an Internet link. I would appreciate an actual answer, if you can.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Farfalle,

shove it.
For the entirety of however long you've been spouting the same BS, the only one's shouting hallelujah, have been Hillbots from the start. The educated voters have already looked into this and declared it a non-issue.
You can continue this guilty by association charade if you want, but I think you may wanna stop calling the kettle black, Pot. Also. Personality wise, Hillary is obviously more corrupt, seeing as we actually catch her lies, and everything deemed 'an obama lie' is always contrived, and has to be squinted at before anyone 'concedes'. Which no one has. Give it up

Posted by: Queixada | March 28, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I definitely concur that Hillary should quit and drop out. I don't want another Clinton presidency. Enough with the Bushes and the Clintons. Let some other family occupy the White House. Old Sen. Leahy really laid it down the line and told the bitter truth.

Posted by: ry1975 | March 28, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

IndependentAmerican,

I really had to respond to this. Obama isn't afraid, because if you've been watching the News Florida along with Michigan are no longer news. They both decided not to do mail in votes, and basically the solution that looks plausible is the delegates will be split down the middle. So they can have their delegates seated at the Convention in November. If you are paying attention to the delegate count, splitting it down the middle only do nothing to Obama 130 Delegate lead over Clinton. So I think your story should be change to Why is Hilary so scared?

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

All caps throughout only express frustration and anger...pull what ever you want out of that tired bag...Again, I didn't say I agreed...I just don't think it really matters that much in the grand scheme. Is Hillary a better candidate...Is McCain...well you are entitled to your opinion and frustration with the new direction of our country. Obama will win and then you can judge him on HIS record. Personally, I willin to take the Obama risk over the Clinton or McCain risk.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

STOP IT!

The issues in this election are far too important to let sniping and BS tear the party apart.

Democrats need to take a deep breath, let our emotions cool down, and realize that either Hillary OR Barack would be a great choice.

I am an Obama supporter, but Clinton has every right to stay in the race until at least June. I would support her enthusiastically if she won the race, however she won it.

Tear yourself away from CNN, MSNBC and the trillion blogs/websites/etc that make up the insatiable and histrionic news monster!

OBAMA '08

or

CLINTON '08

Posted by: westernbiological | March 28, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

IndependentAmerican,

I really had to respond to this. Obama isn't afraid, because if you've been watching the News Florida along with Michigan are no longer news. They both decided not to do mail in votes, and basically the solution that looks plausible is the delegates will be split down the middle. So they can have their delegates seated at the Convention in November. If you are paying attention to the delegate count, splitting it down the middle only do nothing to Obama 130 Delegate lead over Obama. So I think your story should be change to Why is Hilary so scared?

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

The facts are clear. Neither side is likely t win enough votes to get the nomination. But neither person has been eliminated. If the rules are followed, the superdelegates wil decide and they can vote for either person. It is within the rules for Clinton to trail in the delegate count and win the nomination. To say she has no chance is to lie. Big time lie.

This rush to decide shows great fear from the Obama camp. Leahy should know better. It sounds like he is lying, too.

Posted by: gary4books | March 28, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Leahy has called for Clinton to withdraw. Obama has not, and will not, and after just finishing chapter 4 of "The Audacity of Hope" I understand why he will not.

I am a strong Obama supporter, but I believe Clinton should stay in the race until she is convinced (as I am) that she can not win. I do not believe she is trying to destroy the Democratic Party, nor do I believe she is trying to destroy Obama's chances against McCain. I believe it is simply impossible for her right now to face the humilation and anger she must feel at her loss.

All of us have experienced the loss of something we deeply desired. Most of us do not have to deal with it as publicly as politicians. Cut her and her supporters a little slack.

Obama is in a campaign through early November, regardless of when Clinton drops out (which I believe she will do before the convention). It does not matter whether he is fighting Clinton or McCain right now. There will be more than enough time for the uglyness that Fox, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. will devolve this general election into.

I know that some Clinton supporters will respond to my post claiming that she still has a chance. But really, when you do the arithmetic surrounding the remaining delegates, both pledged and "super", it's just not realistically possible for her to win. The supers are people. They are swayed by the same arguments the rest of us are. A lot of them support Clinton and a lot of them support Obama. There is no special wisdom there, and no special argument that Clinton can make that she's not already making.

This thing will take a little time, and some of us are impatient. But I believe she will get out on her own timeline, and then we can focus on the battle with McCain. The more we berate her supporters, the more hard feelings there will be and the more they will feel they were denied their say. And their say is just as important as ours.

One last thing. I encourage all to read "The Audacity of Hope". I'm a late middle aged cynic myself about politics, but this book really opened my eyes about the problems and potential solutions with our current political system. It convinced me more than ever that this is the guy I want representing me in the Presidency for the next eight years.

Posted by: fid4wp | March 28, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Terry,

Richardson is a slimball. He was offered Sec of State. It is illegal what Obama did. Hillary is not tearing the party apart. Obama is with his racist pastor and his arrogance. People you think this guy is a saint. Just wait until McCain works him over. Can just see the commercials. McCain a war hero. Obama selling drugs on the street. Get wise Democrats. Obama is toast.

Posted by: afellow1 | March 28, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

First, I'm an Obama supporter. But I agree with above comments that there is no obvious reason for Clinton to pull out. And btw, why do we have a Convention if delegates are not needed? Several races have been decided at the convention level in my lifetime. If we have superdelegates (which I don't like) then let them vote. If we have a Conevention where people can change their vote on the floor then let the process proceed or change it for the future! Life is not neat and tidy and so why should a convention be any different?

Posted by: ccohen1 | March 28, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Senator Leahy...with all due respect...BUTT OUT. you are backing someone who cannot and should not win in November. Since you have had such a sterling reputation..tell Senator Obama to drop out of the race. He is a seriously damaged man and candidate.

Question for you Senator Leahy:

Given all we have learned about Obama in the last weeks, not just Wright, but his lies about his community work, his parents meeting for the first time at Selma, his nonexistent professorship, his so called legislative accomplishments, that he supposedly sponsored, but was really someone else's work and on and on.

Lies little and big that have been discovered. Then he says he didn't hear the remarks on those clips shown over and over, then he admits he did hear "some" outrageous remarks and now, because the Wright furor hasn't died down, he says he would have left Trinity if Wright hadn't "retired".

I remember thinking during George W's term, just how gullible people are. First we have those stupid people who voted for him, then those who supported him throughout his terms. So...we are all breathing a sigh of relief, it is almost over. And, GUESS WHAT, you're supporting yet another serial liar to occupy the White House. Hooray!!


Senator Leahy... can you tell me why Obama would lie about the nonexistent professorship or his fake community work he supposedly did in Chicago or ,this is a good one, why he would lie about when and where his parents first met, I would be very interested.

Worse yet, he has nowhere near the policy knowledge, work ethic or the toughness of Hillary. WHY DO YOU WANT TO MAKE HIM PRESIDENT?

Posted by: celested9 | March 28, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what position Obama offered Leahy? He offered Richard Sec of State. And this is very illegal in the United States. But Obama gets away with a lot, because the media are fawning over him. Why should Hillary quit? I don't see Obama with enough delegates to win. And I still believe Hillary will be the nominee as soon as Democrat get out of their Obama-induced coma and realize this guy is trouble. Obama cannot win the November election. How much more of his dribble and lies are we going to put up with. Get smart Democrats. It's Hillary's.

Posted by: afellow1 | March 28, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

kat7,

so you would purpose we just get rid of the democratic process all together. Although Obama leads in Popular vote, which to me is the only vote that should matter, because it's the vote of the people. Let's just throw the electorial college out the window and every election year, have the superdelegates decide who's going to be president. Thanks Kat7, obviously your a desperate Hilary supporter who is being very hypocritical. Were you also one of the ones crying when Al Gore lost the presidency although he won the popular vote. If so, I would call you a hypocrit.

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is in the "damaged goods" section at this point and is unelectable.

Her repeated claims about dashing across the Bosnian runway to evade snipers have been proven to be lies. She insulted the American voters by saying that she "misspoke" when confronted with video of her strolling across the runway with Chelsea and chatting with local children.

She has claimed to have extensive foreign policy experience from when her husband was President, but her daily schedules indicate otherwise. She attended official dinners and photo ops with President Clinton, but while he met with heads of state, she followed the traditional First Lady role with a separate schedule that took her to museums, schools, and local clinics. During some summits, she was relegated to what her own schedule calls the "spousal bus."

On top of that, the released schedule omits major events, such as interrogations under oath by Whitewater prosecutors, while other entries refer to "private meetings."

She claims that she will tackle the health care crisis. How long would it take for McCain's campaign to point out her utter and dismal failure at doing that under President Clinton's administration?

And what of her tax records? She claims to have not had time to release them, but how stupid does she think we are? How long would it take a competent staffer to black out her personal data (Soc. Sec. #, bank account number, etc.), scan them and put them on her web site? Obama has released his tax records. I have to believe that there are things in her filings that would help her opponent, whether Obama now or McCain were she to pull off some kind of miracle and be the Democratic nominee.

And I really don't need to hear any more about Pastor Wright's remarks from the Hillary supporters: Unlike some of Hillary's friends and associates, Jeremiah Wright has not served time in a federal prison, so back off.

Posted by: _washingtonpost | March 28, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Alright!! farfalle44!!

Keep it going. Smack 'em some more. You know they need it!! Hit 'em harder.

I'm popping some corn, cozying up in my chair.

The magical moment in American history when an African American AND a woman are on the threshold of greatness, and the Democrats are beating each other up over it!!

Who could have imagined that this would happen??!!

Posted by: thuff7 | March 28, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

ummm...what vicious attacks are coming from the Obama campaign? seems to me that poor man is spending all his time trying to diffuse all the mud the Clinton campaign is slinging at him.

Posted by: craia | March 28, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I wonder what position Obama offered Leahy? He offered Richard Sec of State. And this is very illegal in the United States. But Obama gets away with a lot, because the media are fawning over him. Why should Hillary quit? I don't see Obama with enough delegates to win. And I still believe Hillary will be the nominee as soon as Democrat get out of their Obama-induced coma and realize this guy is trouble. Obama cannot win the November election. How much more of his dribble and lies are we going to put up with. Get smart Democrats. It's Hillary's.

Posted by: afellow1 | March 28, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

She can't quit. OPERATION CHAOS is just too entertaining.

Posted by: CM1515 | March 28, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I am an Obama supporter and I am confident that he will be the Democratic nominee and he will win the presidential election. That said, democracy should run its course - to do otherwise is not American. Senator Obama will be a stronger candidate and he will have more credibility when Senator Clinton decides for herself when she wants to quit the race.

Unlike many naysayers, I believe that the Democrats will rally around our Democratic nominee. If Senator Clinton by some miracle wins the nomination, she will have the support of African-Americans - influential black leaders will see to it. Too much is at stake to hand the White House to the Republicans on a platter.

As for MI & FL, that issue is between the DNC and the legislatures of those states. Senator Obama played by the rules, please do not drag his name into this controversy that easily could have been prevented. After the DNC threatened other states that its delegates will not be seated, those states backed down. FL & MI chose to ignore the DNC.

Posted by: felicitymason | March 28, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I am an Obama supporter and I am confident that he will be the Democratic nominee and he will win the presidential election. That said, democracy should run its course - to do otherwise is not American. Senator Obama will be a stronger candidate and he will have more credibility when Senator Clinton decides for herself when she wants to quit the race.

Unlike many naysayers, I believe that the Democrats will rally around our Democratic nominee. If Senator Clinton by some miracle wins the nomination, she will have the support of African-Americans - influential black leaders will see to it. Too much is at stake to hand the White House to the Republicans on a platter.

As for MI & FL, that issue is between the DNC and the legislatures of those states. Senator Obama played by the rules, please do not drag his name into this controversy that easily could have been prevented. After the DNC threatened other states that its delegates will not be seated, those states backed down. FL & MI chose to ignore the DNC.

Felicity

Posted by: felicitymason | March 28, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

why is Sen Obama so scared ? He first made sure that Florida and Michigan don't hold primaries again and now his supporters are coming out to tell (not ask) hillary to leave the race ..If he is so popular as most of media portrays, why he didn't allow these elections ...These developments beg to ask one question .. what is Obama so scared about ?
I believe as more time pass, more and more democrats will realize that he is not sure thing and probably Hillary needs a second chance.. He first took three days to give "speech" to reject Rev. Wright's anti american and racist comments .. now he says that he would have left church if Wright hadn't retired .. well, Rev Wright definately endorsed anti-american comments last year in his church book, so why Obama didn't quit at that time ?.. why he came out against Rev Wright now .? and the answer is now he is worried about his candidacy .. if he really believed that Rev Wright was wrong, he would have quit and spoke aginst Rev Wright earlier .. he wouldn't have to wait till polls showed that mose americans are against what Rev Wright said and it is hurting his election campaign.. Sen. Obama cannot be trusted, and superdelegates will definately take these incidenets into account .. so all Obama is doing is trying to prevent his lose !!!

Posted by: IndependentAmerican | March 28, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Wow, folks... I hope everyone is taking a good long look at the comments here and what's happening in the country -- how incredibly divided the Dems are now. If Hillary can do this to the Democratic party, just think what she's capable of once she's in the White House! If you want a country that's even further divided than it is today, she's your gal. And when the Dems lose the election in November because of the protracted battle here, don't be surprised. At one time, I would have been satisfied with either candidate in the White House, but given the Clinton campaign's underhanded, slimy, and unethical tactics over the last few months, I have had enough. This sort of thing shows extremely poor judgment by the Clintons (whom I voted for in past elections), and considering how it has torn us apart, it reveals quite clearly that Hillary and her managers are not most concerned with what's best for the country, but what is best for the Clintons. Yes, politics is politics, but after 7 long nightmarish years of poor judgment, lies, and underhanded attacks by the current administration, I for one DO NOT want another 8 years of it in the White House. Frankly, I would be all for Hillary continuing her campaign (and frankly I think she should) IF SHE AND HER CAMPAIGN MACHINE can behave with some semblance of actual integrity, honesty, and good judgment. But their continued insistence on taking the Low Road has proved to be an incredible turnoff, and if it keeps up, because of how divided things are already, no amount of band-aids are going to patch this up, and it will be John McCain who will be sitting in the Oval Office come January. Be warned.

Posted by: mmthinman0077 | March 28, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Besides all the work he's done for black and white folk...didn't Rev. Wright serve in the Marines...what did Billary do? Oh yeah, she served in Bosnia and Northern Ireland...he served at Oxford. I think Obama's life experience more closely matches the America I know.

Shall we start the pissin match?

Its time to move on and face the real enemy: McCain.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

If you have two trains running side by side, and one train runs out of gas before the other, is the train that is further ahead not closer to the end than the other. The simple fact is that the trains have only so much gas/diesel to go on, and when they are all out of gas, only one will be ahead. It requires no particular scientific calculus to determine that Sen. Obama will be ahead at the end of the tracks. If all Sen. Clinton wants to do is bring up fuel from those on horseback in the dead of night, then who is the better candidate to lead the nation? One who cheats, or one who does not?
I'm still waiting for that other candidate, the one who for a brief, shining moment looked like a gracious person, one with some class, the one who spoke in such kind terms about "how proud, how very proud she was to be on this stage with Senator Obama."
When you had the chance to be gracious, Senator, you handed it to Bill.
That finished it for me, and I'm afraid for you also.
Neither your husband nor you will get any benefit by acting without a sense of where you were - we've had enough gutter talk, enough talking down to in the past eight years, to last what's left of a lifetime.
The train has left the station, and you have been left behind, but through no fault of ours. Show some class while there is time to do so.
Otherwise, what funding you get from now until the end of the primaries will serve no purpose other than to make your own candidacy that much less meaningful, that much less relevant, and only prove yourself to be what others have said you were. They lost their jobs for that, sad to say, for telling the truth.
Go out with some dignity while you can.

Posted by: thesfg1 | March 28, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I can't say obama is a racist, but his pastor is, so the possibilty exists.
Go Hillary.

Posted by: imperetor | March 28, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

lounatick8,

It's actually 16% of each candidates supporters that say they will not vote for the other candidate. Which shows that 36% of Democrats are retarded. Why would you allow Republicans to take over again. Just because, your Democratic candidate didn't win. Ultimately, whoever the nominee is, going to be fighting for the Democratic party as a whole. He/She will unite the party. So why would you not vote for the other? Is my question.

OneFreeMan,

That won't happen. She's not even favored to win 65% of the one state she is favored to win.

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Huh! One can´t only clearly imagine but see the burning frustration of the Hillary camp and supporters being displayed at all levels. As Leahy concludes, she may chose to stay in the race but that would not change the simple reality or basic outcome that Obama´s scores are unreachable at this point in time.

Her supporters may also hence decide to encourage her to eventually become a more bitter, bruised,heavily beaten and exhauted loser! Atleast please think about her future credibility and standing within the party as it is almost all but certain she´s at odds with the electoral maths!

Again she is free to continue the dogfight which ofcourse is fairly democratic but one doesn´t need to be a brain surgent or an astronaut to understand the outcome let not her desperate supporters!

Posted by: bcyprian2000 | March 28, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Leahy go shove it. Maybe in Vermont you all love Obama but I am pretty sure Clinton has won OH, TX, NY, CA (MI, FL if you will) and is about to win PA. How about Obama drops out because he won a bunch of Red caucuses that are meaningless?

Posted by: morning135 | March 28, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey Brian, STOOPID, I'm glad to know that you hang out with people who spout racist garbage, who would say things like "Nathalie Holloway, a white girl who went to Aruba, gave it up and got raped." Yes, that REALLY distinguishes you, now doesn't it? But since Obama not only listens to that s--t, but gave 20,000 dollars of his money, and had his children baptized in that s---t, BUT JUST TODAY SAID HE WOULD HAVE LEFT THE CHURCH IF WRIGHT HAD NOT RESIGNED...OH MY GOD, WHAT A FREAKING FRAUD AND OPPORTUNIST YOU ARE OBAMA, AND BRIAN, I'M GLAD TO KNOW YOU KEEP COMPANY WITH THE LIKES OF THAT! YOU AND ALL THE REST OF HIS ZOMBIES, READY TO DRINK THE KOOL-AID FOR OBAMA! SHEESH! TOO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY, BORN WITHOUT A BRAIN!

Posted by: farfalle44 | March 28, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

"Posted by: Cantabrigian
Very little analysis by the press of Obama going on vacation because he believed his nomination was wrapped."

You have this all wrong. Obama went to the beach because he sure wasn't going to show up to his church on Easter Sunday!!! I guess he figures God will understand the politics of the situation he is in regarding the radioactivity Rev. Wright. The press swept that little bit of information right under its rug. They are in the tank for him so bad and it is blatantly obvious.

Posted by: MikeJ9116 | March 28, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

thisworld,

How in Heaven's name were you able to construct a sentence with the words "Leahy" and "courageous" in it??

Posted by: YouryellowribbonmagnetwontgetyouintoHeavenanymore | March 28, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Here is another Ben, Jerry & Wright crowd worried about losing next 10 primaries.

If your candidate is so good, why is he still losing in Pennsylvania by 16%.
How can you win national election why losing Pennsylvania and Ohio to McCain?

Race must go on all the way to the party convention.

Let our Super Delegates decide. Let them do their job.

Choice is very clear!

Do they want to pick Obama and let him join LOSER'S CLUB with Humphrey (1968), McGovern (1972), Carter (1980), Mondale (1984), Dukakis (1988), Gore (2000) Kerry (2004) and Obama (2008)?

Or Super Delegates would like to align with EXCLUSIVE WINNERS CLUB members: Carter (1976), Clinton (1992, 1996) and Clinton (2008, 2012).

I prefer to win the race not place or show in this election. Clinton can win!

Posted by: kat7 | March 28, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

This is the most fun I have ever had reading anything posted by Democrats in the history of the party.

Long live this fight. Keep smacking each other around. We're watching the blood splatter around the ring.

Six months ago, Leahy was your hero on the judiciary committee. Now you can't beat on him hard enough!!

Richardson was the Clinton admin's great Hispanic hope. Now they're calling him Judas!!

It don't get any better than this!!

Posted by: thuff7 | March 28, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

How did Barack do so well with all this anti-Obama sentiment out there? If you're all actually Democrats, you need to attend more caucuses.

Go Hillary! Certainly you know what's best. Tout your experience when it's convenient, but ignore the greater experience of others when they tell you something you don't want to hear.

If you want to stay in a race you statistically can't win (appearing all the more ungracious while doing so), then go right ahead. It would appear all your supporters are going to vote for McCain if you don't win anyway, so there's no downside.

Posted by: rudy.bellinger | March 28, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

TO THE PEOPLE WHO BELONG TO THE "GOD DAMN AMERICA CLUB" GO TO YOUR CORNER. YOU'RE ALL IN THE WRONG COUNTRY.

AND TO THE PEOPLE WHO LOVE AMERICA LET'S CONTINUE THIS CAMPAIGN.

GLOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

Posted by: gvz335 | March 28, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting that those of us who support Obama are willing to engage in a discussion about Rev. Wright, but when we mention Bosnia...all we hear is silence and what a deceitful lier Obama is for tying to describe the diversity of thought within the Black community. Weird.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I received this letter via one of the Obama grassroots groups and I think it should be circulated to answer some of the silliness that's going on about Michelle Obama's statements and Obama's connection with Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

To The Editor:

As a 78 year old American of African descent, I feel compelled to
respond to all this "much ado about nothing" when it comes to the
statement that Michelle Obama made about the fact that this is the first
time in her adult life that she has been proud to be an American.

The country needs to hear this from the Black perspective.

Long before I was born, my grandfather Joseph Burleson, owned a
considerable amount of land in oil rich Texas. Because during that era,
Blacks could not vote, nor could they contest anything in the courts of
the United States, my grandfather's land was STOLEN by his White
neighbor. My grandfather, who was literate and better educated than my
grandmother, drove to town. Seeing my grandfather leave, the covetous
neighbor asked my grandmother to show him the deed to the property. He
snatched it. She could not insist that he give it back, nor could she
have reported this THEFT to the sheriff because of the fact that Blacks
had no rights in the 1800's. The prevailing law at that time was he who
held the deed owned the land. Do you think that is something that I am
PROUD OF? Right now I should be living off the oil and gas royalties.

In 1934 when my dad drove us to Texas to meet his family, when he
stopped to purchase gasoline, his daughters and wife were not allowed to
use the washroom. As a man it was easier for his to relieve himself in
the bushes, but not for the females. We were, however, reduced to having
to go in the bushes, also. Do you think I am PROUD OF THAT?
In 1938 when my oldest sister went to enroll in Hyde Park High School,
she was told by the counselor that she did not want to take college
preparatory courses, she wanted to study domestic science. Do you think
I'm PROUD OF THAT? Of course, when Beatrice Lillian Hurley-Burleson went
to school the next day, that was the last time anyone thought that the
Burleson girls wanted to study domestic science.

When in 1943 my parents attempted to buy the 2 flat at 5338 South
Kenwood, where we had lived since 1933, in Hyde Park, Chicago, IL we
were told that we could not buy it because there was a restrictive
covenant that said that the property was never to be sold to "Negroes."
Do you think I am PROUD OF THAT?

In 1950 when I graduated from college, I was unable to get a job
because I was considered "overqualified." the code word for they would
not hire me because of my race. All of the want ads called for Japanese
Americans or Neisis ( the word given to Japanese Americans at that
time). Do you think that was something that I should have been PROUD OF?
I understood that America was trying to make up for the interring of
innocent and patriotic Americans who were our enemy by association.

My cousin's barbershop was bombed in Mississippi in the 50's because he
was encouraging Black people to register to vote. His wife who had
earned a Masters Degree from Northwestern University lost her position
as the principal of the local school because of the voter registration
activities. Is that something I should be PROUD OF?

Now we get to Rev. Jeremiah Wright, the pastor of the Obama family.
Rev. Wright like so many religious zealots overstates many things, that
many of his members do not agree with. To suggest that Senator Obama
should leave the church of his choice is not only a double standard, but
it is absurd. Would any of the talking heads who are so alarmed by Rev.
Wright's thoughts and speeches suggest that Catholics should abandon
their faith or denounce and reject the Pope because so many priests have
molested children. These children were exploited and taken advantage of
and they had no choice to even know they could resist, reject and
denounce. To me the situations are parallel, except for the fact that
the priests behavior is a physical violation of the innocence of
children who are marred for life; and the priests behavior is a crime.
Rev. Wright's speeches are just words, that one can listen to or not,
the members have a choice. Should Governor Romney denounce and reject
the Mormon Church because some of their members practice polygamy?

As Senator Obama has previously stated, we have entered the silly
season.

Barack Obama is an adult, and most importantly, he is an exceptionally
intelligent adult. Like most of us adults, fortunately, we do not accept
all we hear or see. If we did, the world would be more amoral, debased
and perverted than the world of today is.
I see all these "so called" ponderings an attempt to marginalize the
candidacy of Senator Barack Obama. I cannot truly call this racism
because some ignorant Blacks have also spoken disparagingly about him.

I accept this as the darker side of mankind who because of their own
inadequacies, they project their deficiencies on others. Barack Obama is
a very rare individual, the likes of whom the world seldom sees.
Like most geniuses, they are often misunderstood. They are objects of
envy and jealousy. They are suspect because they soar above the average
man who does not have the intellectual ability to understand the
greatness of special people. They are also targets to be pulled down to
the level of the mediocre who cannot stand to see an individual with
deep convictions and high standards.

We have not seen a phenomena like Barack Obama in many years and many
generations. Like Ghanda, like Jesus, like Einstein, like Dr. Martin
Luther King, Jr., like Mother Theresa, genetically, intellectually and
spiritually, these people offer the world so much, but they are often
maligned and misunderstood.

Barack Obama is a Christian in the true sense of the word. A true
Christian loves his fellow man unconditionally. A true Christian wants
the best and tries to bring out the best in his fellow man. A true
Christian wants to unite and bring the world together in peace and
harmony. This is what Senator Obama stands for; but, unfortunately, he
has had to get off point to answer these false charges, innuendoes, and
just plain lies.

We are in the presence of an angel unaware in Senator Barack Obama; and
this country needs him, more than he needs us. He is the only person at
this time in history who can restore respect for America with the
worlds' people. Because of his family background, the influence of his
beloved mother who instilled great values in him, the influence of his
absent father who vicariously inspired a son to go to Harvard as the
father had done, the influence of a minister who brought him to an
understanding of the value and meaning of Christianity, the influence of
a brilliant Harvard educated wife who inspires him and keeps him
grounded; he is the epitome of a citizen of the world. He is of the
world because the world is in him; and this is what America needs to
bring us out of the abyss to which we have sunk in the eyes of the
world.

Like, Michelle Obama, after living in this country all of my 78 years,
loving my country and not understanding why my country has not loved me,
I now for the first time in my adult life feel PROUD OF MY COUNTRY
because I sense a maturing, a recognition of talent and character, and
not color, and a field of candidates aspiring to lead this nation coming
from very diverse backgrounds of gender, religious beliefs, national
origin, ethnicity, age and experiences. This to me is the HOPE that
America is coming into her own and will begin to CHANGE and will embrace
the philosophy upon which this country was founded, where all men are
created equal and are entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of
happiness. Now I truly believe, YES WE CAN!

Posted by: beedy778 | March 28, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Huh! One can´t only clearly imagine but see the burning frustration of the Hillary camp and supporters being displayed at all levels. As Leahy concludes, she may chose to stay in the race but that would not change the simple reality or basic outcome that Obama´s scores are unreachable at this point in time.

Her supporters may also hence decide to encourage her to eventually become a more bitter, bruised,heavily beaten and exhauted loser! Atleast please think about her future credibility and standing within the party as it is almost all but certain she´s at odds with the electoral maths!

Again she is free to continue the dogfight which ofcourse is fairly democratic but one doesn´t need to be a brain surgent or an astronaut to understand the outcome let not her desperate supporters!

Posted by: bcyprian2000 | March 28, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

theplanner: I did answer your question... It was formulated as an "IF x THAN y" statement and I have shown "x" to be false. With false assumptions you can imply anything to be true: Logics 101.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 28, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm sitting back here laughing like sh** at these Hillary supporters.

They press the Obama supporters to come up with facts to prove why Hillary is unelectable. They then reply with factual evidence of lies and scandals.

Then the Hillary 08'ers produce statements made by Obama. And then just proceed to call them lies because "I don't believe him". What the hell. Learn to logic. Idiots.

Just look at svreadr and fed worker. The planner is a whole nother story. This guy is either a closest racist, or a 14 year old. Because his comprehension of racial complexities and relationships is comparable to legos vs. megablocks.
Like I already said. Most of Hillary supporters aren't too bright. MOST.

I don't even know anyone supporting Hillary. And I'm IN PENNSYLVANIA. Where is this majority you speak of?

Posted by: Queixada | March 28, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

You Hillary supporters have been relying exclusively on those emails sent by her and her retired husband which are just full of cherry-picked info/data, as the source of your information. As a result, you just don't get the bigger picture here just like the madam you support blindly. Tragic. Bo

Posted by: thisworld | March 28, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

If he does become Barack's running mate so be it. He went with the better candidate. Hliary can unite the country like him. How can you when so many people don't even like you? Sorry to tell you, but popularity, likablity, have everything to do with politics. She has only shown that she's deceptive. And even before that she wasn't the most likable of people. She's drowning and her only life raft now is to drop out. And for Democratic success in November, she needs to drop out. You are her supporters need to be real with yourselves. She has no chance. Look at the numbers.

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Huh! One can´t only clearly imagine but see the burning frustration of the Hillary camp and supporters being displayed at all levels. As Leahy concludes, she may chose to stay in the race but that would not change the simple reality or basic outcome that Obama´s scores are unreachable at this point in time.

Her supporters may also hence decide to encourage her to eventually become a more bitter, bruised,heavily beaten and exhauted loser! Atleast please think about her future credibility and standing within the party as it is almost all but certain she´s at odds with the electoral maths!

Again she is free to continue the dogfight which ofcourse is fairly democratic but one doesn´t need to be a brain surgent or an astronaut to understand the outcome let not her desperate supporters!

Posted by: bcyprian2000 | March 28, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Neither candidate will win the delegate count. Hillary could win the most votes easily. If that's the case Obama should drop out and we go with the candidate that the most voters wants. If Obama win the popular vote then Hillary leaves. It's that simple. The delegate count does not means squat if you cannot get the votes needed. Anyone who thinks Hillary should bag it and go home after all of this is an idiot. PS - Right now 28 percent of Hillary's supporters say they will not vote for Obama. That ensure he loses. If you want that number to stay the same go ahead and run her out. Obama will be doomed.

Posted by: lounatick8 | March 28, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Dear Senator Leahy,

We, tired Obama supporters thank you so much for your highly courageous and very opportune statement which has been lingering on in everyone's mind lately. you've done well.

Yours

Posted by: thisworld | March 28, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

If you love war you little baby Clinton supporters then vote for McCain. The guy is itchin to run his own "theater of operations." I was even prepared to vote for Hillary, but now I won't have to do that. Pull you head out and get over it...there are greater threats to diplomacy, peace, and a better America and his name is McCain!

I'm guessin some of you don't have children or know anyone fighting right now?

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why the mainstream media puts up with this garbage from the Clintons.

If any other politician kept doing this...and kept trying to find new ways to count the delegates they would have been laughed at. For some reason, coming from Hillary, the media act like this is somehow a sensible discussion.

Posted by: holzhaacker | March 28, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I believe that Senator Clinton should stay in the race as long as she sees fit. What I have issues with is the contention that Senator Obama is somehow to blame for the mess that is Michigan and Florida. The blame for this fiasco lies directly at the feet of each state's elected officials. They thumbed their noses at the rules of the DNC. These rules were well defined, clearly established and agreed to by all parties involved. End of story. The irony is that in their haste to make their states "relevant", they did the complete opposite. If they left it alone, those states would have played pivotal roles in the nomination process, for either candidate.

Posted by: cfdjld | March 28, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Huh! One can´t only clearly imagine but see the burning frustration of the Hillary camp and supporters being displayed at all levels. As Leahy concludes, she may chose to stay in the race but that would not change the simple reality or basic outcome that Obama´s scores are unreachable at this point in time.

Her supporters may also hence decide to encourage her to eventually become a more bitter, bruised,heavily beaten and exhauted loser! Atleast please think about her future credibility and standing within the party as it is almost all but certain she´s at odds with the electoral maths!

Again she is free to continue the dogfight which ofcourse is fairly democratic but one doesn´t need to be a brain surgent or an astronaut to understand the outcome let not her desperate supporters!

Posted by: bcyprian2000 | March 28, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

So Sen. Leahy is one of the 22% of Obama supporters who think that Sen. Clinton should drop out. 22% of Clinton supporters think that Obama should drop out. 62% of likely Democratic voters think the nominating contest should go on.

Sen. Leahy's position is in opposition to the will of the people. Those darn Vermonters...

Posted by: donna1000 | March 28, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

So Sen. Leahy is one of the 22% of Obama supporters who think that Sen. Clinton should drop out. 22% of Clinton supporters think that Obama should drop out. 62% of likely Democratic voters think the nominating contest should go on.

Sen. Leahy's position is in opposition to the will of the people. Those darn Vermonters...

Posted by: donna1000 | March 28, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

One Question : Can she win 65% of the remaing votes? If so, she has a chance.

Obama - 1406

Clinton - 1249

Difference - 157

Remaining - 566

Posted by: OneFreeMan | March 28, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

farfalle44 |

I was taught that church was a place of escape and rest, but I didn't want to worship with someone who is supposed to be a religious leader feeding me poisonous propaganda. My reason for going to church has always been for a spiritual recharge, not more of the same.

I am offended by your short-sighted presumptuous, minimizing and over simplifing, cloaked as intellectualism.

How many black churches have you been to, how dare you speak of what you don't know.

The Black Church saved blacks from psychlogical and emotional implosion, while simultaneously saving this country from a REAL CIVIL WAR as that "avoided" one would have been directly related to racism, and domestic terrorism, unlike the Civil War of History Class.

White people have tried to control the Black Church since there was such a thing, and this continues today, with this.

Rev. Wright has done great works, all you know of him is what YouTube,Fox and CNN has showed you. Wright reaches out to those you would leave by the wayside to die in the streets or in a prison prison cell for a non-violent crime, Wright also reaches out to those childeren who view the country as full of possibility. His responsibility is to both groups of African Americans not just those you would feel comfortable sitting next to on the subway. You have a history which reaches beyond the 200 years this country has legally existed. Blacks do not, you will never know what that does to the psyche of a community. Racism is very visible to those familiar with its face, and you are sounding kind of unfamiliar. All not well until I and I say it is not You and Them, since you want to talk in those terms. Rev. Wright was 1000% true with what he said, the same families that brought slaves here run this country, why wouldn't they, wealth-building is a Marathon not a sprint, we just started running 40 years ago. The investment capital that was the foundation of this country's origin, was the blood and labor of African Americans, lest you have forgotten that we built this great nation while terrorized and naked. Blacks fall behind in every measurable statistic used to access the health of individuals, families, finances, and community, and yet you sit here and attempt to appear privy to the state of MY community, if I was Jewish that perspective would make you an anti-semetic, but in America that makes you a patriot. You jump down Amedenajad's throat for deying the holocaust, as if you are not doing the same thing in regards to the American Holocaust. What has America ever done for Blacks, nothing that we haven aready paid 100 times the price for.

The Idea that the attitudes expressed by Rev. Wright are rare and unfounded is idiotic, have you ever watched boondocks, Google search Boondocks Ruckus and Reagan and tighten your belt, over 50% of the African American you pass agree with some aspect of what Wright said. This Country is beginning to depress me how do you think Blacks overhelmingly enter the criminal justice system, Rev. Wright?, no America the Holocaust denier. You need to wake up when my parents punished me and corrected my beliefs and perspectives, it was because that considered me a representation of them, and they chastised because they loved me, not because they hated me, this country in the same way has a long history of decentors, who have loudly objected to what they considered wrong with either the Kingdom of Great Britain, The World and even yes America. To further the point I would say that every great thing about this country came forth from someones decent. You attempt to push the "exceptable" aspects of the great MLK down our throat as if you can even begin to understand what his life means to us African Americans. When he spoke out against the war in Vietnam someone like yourselve shot him. You completely forget about Malcolm X as if he isn't a part of this country's history.

Posted by: ProudSouthernAmerican | March 28, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

And Leahy shouldn't have gone there either! Who died and left him in charge? Clinton has her supporters who want her to stay in until all have had a chance to vote. Way to alienate a large block of voters Leahy! Maybe Dean should be talking to you and the other superdelegates about toning down these calls for Clinton to just give up before all the votes are in if the Dems are serious about winning in November. The primary isn't over yet. Why is Leahy trying to ignore the will of millions of Democrats who have yet to vote? And don't get me started on FL and MI. If Dems lose in November, they have only themselves to blame for trying to award the nomination to the candidate they support instead of letting the people vote. Senator Clinton's staying in the race will help unite the party. Who among her supporters will support Obama if there is a sense that she was pushed out and the nomination illegimately awarded to Obama? Thank goodness she has enough spine to stand up to this.

Posted by: MDan543527 | March 28, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Jeremiah Wright was preaching a form of liberation theology. Anyone who denies there is racism in this country, either isn't paying attention...or is a racist themselves. There isn't anything that Wright spoke in his sermons, within context which was untrue, or not understood by much of the USA regardless of race or creed...

It's very telling that 1/4 of Hillary's supporters who say they would vote for McCain use Obama's race as the reason. A larger percentage say that blacks get too many 'rights'...

Hillary is machiavellian...she will speak whatever untruth she needs in order to win. Her corkscrew landing in Bosnia, running across the tarmac into armored vehicles, ducking sniper fire...pure fantasy...but she sees herself as something more than 'human'...above the rest of us...

I sincerely hope that Obama proves to be a calming influence and stays out of the gutter politics of the past so that we can defeat the war mongers and have a more conscious supreme court in the future.

Hillary, IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO GO!

You can do it graciously.

Posted by: balancing_stones | March 28, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

To the commenters who brought up Obama's statement on "The View" regarding his former pastor: listen to what he said again. He DID NOT say he would have left the church, he said he would have considered it. Compare that to his earlier statements. No, I don't believe him. He is now trying to make it sound like he would have left if he had heard something he didn't agree with. However, I'm an adult, and I do not believe that he went to that church for 20 years (allegedly) and NEVER heard anything that concerned him.

He's deceitful, and just as full of ambition as every politician in Washington.


Posted by: Fedworker | March 28, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Whoever gets the most votes has a pretty good chance of winning. She hasn't and she won't.

Posted by: michael4 | March 28, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

As usual for the Clintons, this is all about them and not about the people they claim to represent.

Any other reasonable politician would have seen the writing on the wall.

Maybe she wants the Supreme Court to hand her this one?

This is PRECISELY why alot of people just don't like the Clintons.

Posted by: holzhaacker | March 28, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton will not end her campaign. As should be clear to even the Senator from Vermont, with the Clintons it's never about the Democratic Party, or the voters, or even the country. It's only about the Clintons.

Posted by: suttonhoo2002 | March 28, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

BTW, the political cartoonists all around the country are killing Hillary on her Bosnia war stories embellishments. These are funny and silly but often have more impact than a long well worded editorial.

Posted by: zb95 | March 28, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

...and just so you know what glib means...I am fluent, but I am also very sincere about what I say.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

terry.santiago:

Well, which one is it (a) Richardson has always been a close friend to the Clinton Campaign, or (b) he knows she's a liar? Also, I never said that he "has be to Obama's running mate". What I said is that he's obviously concluded his chances of becoming Vice President are greater with Obama. If you can't see that, you haven't been watching politics very long.

Posted by: JakeD | March 28, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

The math is simple..HILLARY CANNOT WIN THIS THING without changing the rules or without coming up with some new creative way to calculate the winner.

To me, she is displaying bald-faced selfishness.

Posted by: holzhaacker | March 28, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

How many more lies will be followed by the excuse "I misspoke" was sleep deprived. The only thing I'm seeing Hilary supporters say about Barack is all because of the words of his Pastor (not even his words), Hilary is in trouble for her OWN WORDS. And check the polls also, most people really aren't affected by the his pastor comments, basically saying what I've been saying all along. IT'S NOT HIS WORDS AND BELIEFS. And also check your historical files when you talk about Rev Wright, because yes, he does have ties to the Clintons also. AND, he's no longer the pastor at the church that Obama attends, he stepped down. Which is why they say FORMER PASTOR.

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

terry.santiago: That was a desperately foolish post. If you'd like to discuss the issues, fine. Otherwise, take it somewhere else.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

How can Hillary be more electable when she is currently losing?

If she was more electable, more people would have voted for her.

Posted by: NOLAJD | March 28, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

The real fact is that she continually lies to the voters. When can one ever believe what she is saying? The economic situation, healthcare, education and jobs are far to important issues to be handed to a lier that is less than trustworthy. At this stage in the election process she has shown her true colors. Simply put, we can not trust her!

Posted by: macboy4u | March 28, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

All I know is I can't wait for this campaign to be over. Can't stand Obama's arrogance and his wife...calling us arrogant "whites". He is wrting checks he will never be able to cash..Big one for me "troops will be out of Iraq in 16 months". Life long Dem here almost sorry I am after this mess. I am a Clinton fan, but whoever is running her campaign should be exiled to Iraq. So my choice. The arrogant, sweet talking Senator from Illinois or the mean B!tch Clinton. McCains got my vote. He is more American than either Obama or Clinton.

Posted by: ray_herbst | March 28, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Look, Clintonites, no one is saying that votes for Clinton "shouldn't count." In fact, I would encourage you all to vote for Clinton even is she were to drop out. That way, you can help influence the policy platform of the Democratic candidate. If you like Clinton, that's fine, but you have to acknowledge that (a) she has a very small chance now of being able to lead in any category that matters (delegates, popular vote, or states), and (b) that Obama, for better or worse, will likely be the Democratic party's candidate. If that's correct, and I think most reasonable people would agree that it is, then Clinton staying in the race merely hinders the party's ability to attack the real enemy, the GOP. If Clinton drops, that doesn't mean that people cannot still vote for her. In fact, I would encourage you to do that. You will send a message, and a strong one, that you support her positions and policies, and that message will be taken to the convention. Being able to influence the ultimate policy positions is just as important, if not more, than being able merely to vote.

Posted by: alterego1 | March 28, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Incidentailly, I will echo the sentiments above. Under no circimstance will I vote for Obama. None zippo. I will vote for the republican before i will vote for Obama. i will work for Mccain.

These old time democrats like Leahy and Kennedy should have let go years ago. Just go now without destroying the party.

Posted by: JohnAdams1 | March 28, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

the planner,

I'm glib...okay Tom Cruise. Did I say I agreed with it? Again, I don't believe in the Easter Bunny, but you can and know somebody that does and I don't really care.

Marcus Garvey...what an idiot...Malcolm X...what was wrong with that guy? Oh, and Martin he always said the nicest things about white folk and America.

How old are you and where did you grow up? I think that may help in my understanding of your frustration with this debate.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Last time I checked we still lived in a democracy, no matter how much Bush & Cheney have tried to destroy it. Clinton has every right to stay in as long as she likes and the more people tell her to go the more I want her to stay.

Posted by: PatrickNYC1 | March 28, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Finally - there's an article in the MSM that actually mentions the concept of both Clinton and Obama directing their attacks at McCain. Why can't they see that adopting this strategy is the only one that makes sense? Leaving that "experience" b.s. aside (nobody in this race has been President before and how well the new President performs will be determined more by his/her choice of advisers than any "experience"), there's no substantial difference in the positions of Hillary and Barack. So let's treat the race as an interview for a job opening. The first task of the person that gets the job will be to beat McCain. Let's see some real examples of how these two would try to accomplish that.

As an added bonus, adopting this strategy would probably get the Dems (as a whole) twice the coverage that McCain gets.

Posted by: philkoltko | March 28, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

LIBERAL LITE" Leprechan Leahy.... part of Mass Liberal Cabal, following "really Jewish" Irish Kerry, and Capaquidick "love dem lasses" Teddy.... WANT A LIBERAL DEM Candidate Although NO Liberal Dem EVER ELECTED Since JFK (and he was not a Liberal either).

THANKS Massacheussetts.... Inbred MORONS!

Posted by: rmcnicoll | March 28, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

LIBERAL LITE" Leprechan Leahy.... part of Mass Liberal Cabal, following "really Jewish" Irish Kerry, and Capaquidick "love dem lasses" Teddy.... WANT A LIBERAL DEM Candidate Although NO Liberal Dem EVER ELECTED Since JFK (and he was not a Liberal either).

THANKS Massacheussetts.... Inbred MORONS!

Posted by: rmcnicoll | March 28, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

Gov Richardson has always been a friend a close friend to the Clinton Campaign. So for him to go over to Obama, what does that tell you? I look at it like this. Just because her husband was a good President which I agree he was. BUT, she was only first lady and has shown me over exaggerated climbs at best. She's shown me nothing. But no, that can't be the reason Richardson didn't endorse a close friend for president. No, it has to be a hidden agenda. He has be to Obama's running mate? It couldn't be that he knows she a lier.

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

logan: Why don't you just answer my question, instead?

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary and Bill Clinton, and Chelsea are wonderful people. They are the most civic minded people I have ever seen."

I'm sure Monica would agree

Posted by: svreaderjr | March 28, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Leahy is the old party along with Kennedy
Daschel, Dodd, Kerry they are the problem
and have been the problem for decades ( ted kennedy has been a senator for 46 years!) We ar eso over their failure to bring about substantive change in this country and piddled away their congressional and senatorial majority when they had it. Shame on you all.

Look at the democratic party, it is a mess.
It is now grasping at a guy out for himself who cannot point to one thing he has done for his multiracial constituency.

This guy is not going to "save" the old democrats they must go and Obama must resign.

Obama will break apart the so called democratic party and that is a good thing.
We will move on from Leahy, Kennedy, Pelosi et al and new parties will form from republicans independents and democrats.

Posted by: JohnAdams1 | March 28, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

Gov Richardson has always been a friend a close friend to the Clinton Campaign. So for him to go over to Obama, what does that tell you? I look at it like this. Just because her husband was a good President which I agree he was. BUT, she was only first lady and has shown me over exaggerated climbs at best. She's shown me nothing. But no, that can't be the reason Richardson didn't endorse a close friend for president. No, it has to be a hidden agenda. He has be to Obama's running mate? It couldn't be that he knows she a lier.

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

There is no way Hillary Clinton will catch Obama. She unlike Mike Huckabee on the Republican side have virtually the same platform as Obama. Her supporters have called Richardson a Judas. Called Obama lucky to be black. They are trying to intimidate Pelosi. Clinton is complementing McCain. How in the world is any of this going to help the Democratic party? This is what's going to happen.

1.Hillary turns Dems off to Obama, then McCain beats Obama in the general election. We never forgive her.
2. She steals the nomination with superdelegates. Young voters and Blacks don't turn out. McCain wins. We never forgive her.

Posted by: ne_voice | March 28, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Apparently Barack wooed the ladies on the View today except for that wacko con Lizzie Hasslebeatch.

Posted by: zb95 | March 28, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is getting a bad rap about her trip to Bosnia.

There was a speechwriter of Hillary's aboard that plane and she said that the passengers on that plane, including Hillary and Chelsea, that they were using diversionary tactics to land at that airport.

They told Hillary and Chelsea and the rest to put on flak jackets. They also moved Hillary and Chelsea to a more secure part of the plane. They also told Hillary that the welcoming party on the tarmac may have to be cancelled because of a possible sniper firing.

So, her story wasn't all that absurd - it was quite plausible.

Also, the pictures of Hillary being greeted by people from Kosovo who Bill Clinton saved from genocide was a remarkable contrast to the pictures we kept seeing coming out of Kosovo of the people being burned out of their homes, the men being murdered and thrown into mass graves, as well as the pictures of the hapless people trying to take their wagons and their families that hadn't been murdered to go to nowhere - and hiding in the hillsides to keep from being murdered themselves.

Give credit where credit is due - Hillary went to Tuzla to thank the military for their service and saving those people.

Hillary and Bill Clinton, and Chelsea are wonderful people. They are the most civic minded people I have ever seen.

Right now, we need a policy wonk - and Hillary is certainly that. She will take this country's problems seriously. Better than having a president that associates with anti-American people - radicals and criminals.

I hope Pennsylvania surprises the nation and blows Obama out of the water - or, perhaps I should say, off the water since his supporters think he is the second coming of christ. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 28, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is getting a bad rap about her trip to Bosnia.

There was a speechwriter of Hillary's aboard that plane and she said that the passengers on that plane, including Hillary and Chelsea, that they were using diversionary tactics to land at that airport.

They told Hillary and Chelsea and the rest to put on flak jackets. They also moved Hillary and Chelsea to a more secure part of the plane. They also told Hillary that the welcoming party on the tarmac may have to be cancelled because of a possible sniper firing.

So, her story wasn't all that absurd - it was quite plausible.

Also, the pictures of Hillary being greeted by people from Kosovo who Bill Clinton saved from genocide was a remarkable contrast to the pictures we kept seeing coming out of Kosovo of the people being burned out of their homes, the men being murdered and thrown into mass graves, as well as the pictures of the hapless people trying to take their wagons and their families that hadn't been murdered to go to nowhere - and hiding in the hillsides to keep from being murdered themselves.

Give credit where credit is due - Hillary went to Tuzla to thank the military for their service and saving those people.

Hillary and Bill Clinton, and Chelsea are wonderful people. They are the most civic minded people I have ever seen.

Right now, we need a policy wonk - and Hillary is certainly that. She will take this country's problems seriously. Better than having a president that associates with anti-American people - radicals and criminals.

I hope Pennsylvania surprises the nation and blows Obama out of the water - or, perhaps I should say, off the water since his supporters think he is the second coming of christ. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 28, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is getting a bad rap about her trip to Bosnia.

There was a speechwriter of Hillary's aboard that plane and she said that the passengers on that plane, including Hillary and Chelsea, that they were using diversionary tactics to land at that airport.

They told Hillary and Chelsea and the rest to put on flak jackets. They also moved Hillary and Chelsea to a more secure part of the plane. They also told Hillary that the welcoming party on the tarmac may have to be cancelled because of a possible sniper firing.

So, her story wasn't all that absurd - it was quite plausible.

Also, the pictures of Hillary being greeted by people from Kosovo who Bill Clinton saved from genocide was a remarkable contrast to the pictures we kept seeing coming out of Kosovo of the people being burned out of their homes, the men being murdered and thrown into mass graves, as well as the pictures of the hapless people trying to take their wagons and their families that hadn't been murdered to go to nowhere - and hiding in the hillsides to keep from being murdered themselves.

Give credit where credit is due - Hillary went to Tuzla to thank the military for their service and saving those people.

Hillary and Bill Clinton, and Chelsea are wonderful people. They are the most civic minded people I have ever seen.

Right now, we need a policy wonk - and Hillary is certainly that. She will take this country's problems seriously. Better than having a president that associates with anti-American people - radicals and criminals.

I hope Pennsylvania surprises the nation and blows Obama out of the water - or, perhaps I should say, off the water since his supporters think he is the second coming of christ. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 28, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is getting a bad rap about her trip to Bosnia.

There was a speechwriter of Hillary's aboard that plane and she said that the passengers on that plane, including Hillary and Chelsea, that they were using diversionary tactics to land at that airport.

They told Hillary and Chelsea and the rest to put on flak jackets. They also moved Hillary and Chelsea to a more secure part of the plane. They also told Hillary that the welcoming party on the tarmac may have to be cancelled because of a possible sniper firing.

So, her story wasn't all that absurd - it was quite plausible.

Also, the pictures of Hillary being greeted by people from Kosovo who Bill Clinton saved from genocide was a remarkable contrast to the pictures we kept seeing coming out of Kosovo of the people being burned out of their homes, the men being murdered and thrown into mass graves, as well as the pictures of the hapless people trying to take their wagons and their families that hadn't been murdered to go to nowhere - and hiding in the hillsides to keep from being murdered themselves.

Give credit where credit is due - Hillary went to Tuzla to thank the military for their service and saving those people.

Hillary and Bill Clinton, and Chelsea are wonderful people. They are the most civic minded people I have ever seen.

Right now, we need a policy wonk - and Hillary is certainly that. She will take this country's problems seriously. Better than having a president that associates with anti-American people - radicals and criminals.

I hope Pennsylvania surprises the nation and blows Obama out of the water - or, perhaps I should say, off the water since his supporters think he is the second coming of christ. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 28, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I am ven parameswaran, scarsdale, n.y. I am disappointed and frustrated that Clintons have succeeded in making this election WHITE v. BLACK. Senator Leahy is right in concluding that Clinton cannot win and beat Obama in the remaining primaries. He knows, Clinton has the capacity to divide the party and the nation. This is what Leahy wants to prevent. Assuming Obama wins the hard fought nomination, the party will be divided because of Clintons. As the polls have showed 28% of clinton supporters will vote for McCaine. John McCaine will be the luckiest. He will be elected with a huge majority supportedby both parties. Clinton is making sure that the democrats lose the general election as she cannot win the nomination. BASED ON EXIT POLLS IN NOVEMBER, THE BLACKS AND THE MINORITIES WILL START A NEW PARTY ASSURING THE GOP A PERMANENT MAJORITY OF VOTERS. Dan, are you ready to write a column on this?When?

Posted by: vpwaren | March 28, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm an Obama supporter. I think the longer Sen. Clinton stays in the race, the more she damages her standing within the party. She cannot win.

That said, Sen. Clinton has garnered roughly 13 million votes and raised more than a hundred million dollars. She has a legion of committed supporters that are tirelessly working towards her election. I have been impressed by her tenacity and her work ethic throughout. She has earned the right to do whatever she wants as far as continuing the campaign.

My only wish is for both candidates to elevate the level of debate towards each other, and train their fire on Sen. McCain.

I, for one, hope democrats can coalesce around the nominee to defeat John McCain in the fall. And, as Obama supporters, I think it is imperative to understand the disappointment and hard feelings of Sen. Clinton's supporters, address their concerns in a real way, and make an honest effort to win them over.

I have disagreed with many of Sen. Clinton's tactics during this campaign. However, that does not extend to her supporters, who have legitimate reasons for holding her in high regard.

It's high time to elevate this debate and begin focusing on the commonalities in the Obama and Clinton candidacies rather than exacerbating the small differences on issues.

Posted by: jeff.cronin | March 28, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Thanks goodness someone in a leadership position is stepping up to the plate.

Posted by: saraz1 | March 28, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

My nicname for Obama is Smooth Jazz 101.1. He calls Tyler Hansbrough, a 21 year old basketball player, "boy" and nothing happens to him. He gets Colin Powell (hated by the koolaid drinkers for supporting the Iraq invasion) as an advisor, and not a peep from the lookaid drinkers. He hangs out with a racist rageaholic pastor for 20 years and it just causes a blip for him. Face it folks - the world has changed - the borders will be open soon, you will be speaking Spanish and all sorts of other changes are coming.

Posted by: GeneWells | March 28, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

i myself think leahy should resign. these soft-spoken politicians all remind me of hal the computer in 2001 space odyssey. "go ahead and go outside,i'll open the door when you want to come back in." right.

Posted by: 12thgenamerican | March 28, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

What does Leahy want from Freshman non experience Senator Obama. It's funny how all these Senior Senators are endorsing Obama but never gave him a thought when he came in to the Senate. Even Hillary helped Obama win the election for Senator and helped him in fund raising. So much for friendship. Now the leaches are all over Obama. Now Americans will not allow Obama to be President and McCain will win by default. We have a qualified experienced candidate but because she's a woman and the wife of former President Clinton these Law Makers would rather see McCain in office then help the US get out of this mess. I noticed the Media is protecting Obama's pass but opens up Hillary's closet. At the beginning the Media and Republican knew Hillary was the best, then Obama gave his Dr. King speech and tricked the people and the Republicans knew they could win if Obama was the Dems candidate. Obama released his tax information but not one person said a word about the famous 2005 deal with an indicted crook to buy a house Obama couldn't afford. Notice how Obama pushes himself to be the black man for the black vote, yet more blacks are losing their homes in foreclosures and Obama could care less. He has shown the same interest that he did in the Katrina Storm and with the Jenna Six. Obama will talk through both sides of his mouth. When he's with blacks he's black for the vote, when he's with white's he talks about his Mother to get the white vote. All along he's just like Bush, someone is pushing for Obama to win to use him as the front man. Kerry and Kennedy wasted no time sucking up to Obama to use him for what they wanted. Richardson is out of office and looking to get on the side that will put in a job so he can get some money. Funny how Americans so quickly forget that the first President to balance the US Budget in 30 years was President Clinton. Blacks have quickly forgotten how they were given the equal rights and got jobs to even buy homes and send their kids to college. But along come Freshman Senator Obama selling snake oil and all is forgotten. McCain will win and bomb Iran as Americans wonder what happen. Obama will give a great speech while others run the White House just as what's happening now. In other words with McCain or Obama the US is guaranteed to lose big time and we will see a depression.

Posted by: qqbDEyZW | March 28, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Why are you accusing Hillary of making Obama UNELECTABLE? He is doing this HIMSELF !!!!

And what about Rezco, William Ayers,and the rest of these radical individuals that we will hopefully get to hear further as perhaps a brave reporter will have some GUTS to investigate?

No, Obama is coming out of the closet surely and what a FIASCO if you rush to elect him and then the Democrats loose in November? Is anyone giving some thought to these facts?

Posted by: Hispana | March 28, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Just donated to HRC's campaign. If the voters don't have a choice then the election doesn't count and democracy's a sham. The audacity of hope indeed.

Posted by: mbrieo | March 28, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Hillary needs to get of the race and get out of the race -- YESTERDAY. Like one post said the objective is to beat the Republicans and with her staying in the race she's hurting that objective minute by minute -- second by second.

Hillary can't win the nomination. But she'll never quit. Not because she's a fighter. That's junk. Rather, she won't quit because she feels entitled -- that Democrats owe her something because of her husband. She won't quit because she truly doesn't care about hurting the Democratic party, she only cares about winning. Hillary is so polarizing, and poisonous that she'll never be elected to the presidency.

If Hillary REALLY values and respects the American people then she will gracefully (as much as she can) bow out of the race and support Obama. She'd realize firing darts at Obama (and subsequently the democratic party) ensures a Republican victory in November.

If she wins (I mean steals) the nomination I'll will cast a protest vote for McCain and sit back and watch the Republican machine continue to destroy this country -- and oh yes I'll blame Hillary and the nuts who put her on the ballot.

Posted by: closedeyes2003 | March 28, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse


Its about Hillary choosing Ferraro to be her "Financial Advisor"

It's about Hillary's lies.

Its about Hillary talking out of"both sides of her mouth.

She presented herself as a paragon of virtue and someone on a higher ethical plane than other candidates.

she's repeatedly shown through her actions that she isn't.

She's like a human chameleon.

She turns into a completely different person depending on what group of people she's with.(fake southern accent anyone?)

She's lied to us and fooled us over and over. (Bosnian bullets)

America doesn't trust her anymore.

She's toast.

She deserves to be.

Strange how easily it can be changed to reflect Hillary isnt it svreader?

Posted by: svreaderjr | March 28, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Every American citizen should have the right to vote for the candidate of his/her choice...so wait until these primary elections are finished. Then there will be a lone candidate to vote for against the opposing party. Why not ask Obama to drop out?

Posted by: WMcK1212 | March 28, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

By consensus-a consensus of Hill Republicans-Pat Leahy is the meanest, most partisan, most ruthless Democrat in the Senate. Ask a Republican about Leahy, and he'll shudder. Then he will say that, though Leahy can be nice and smiling on the surface, underneath he is-take your pick-"a left-wing brute," "nasty," "a pile of pure malice."

Republicans are not in complete agreement, however: One says, "He's the most obnoxious [SOB] in the Senate now that Howard Metzenbaum's gone"; another says, "Nah, he was always worse than Metzenbaum, it's just that the general public didn't know it." Republicans, to a man, swear that they would take Ted Kennedy, Christopher Dodd, Joe Biden, John Kerry-any famously partisan Democrat over Leahy.

They were very much hoping that Biden, for example, would resume his chairmanship of the Judiciary Committee; he was chairman, recall, during the years that included the pummeling of Robert Bork and the pummeling of Clarence Thomas. Instead, however, Biden chose the Foreign Relations post, leaving Judiciary to Leahy.

And, following the ancient rule that a staff reflects the politician at its head, the consensus is that Leahy's staff is just as partisan, just as ruthless as the senator himself. Not even Democrats much trust or like that bunch.

Says one veteran GOP staffer, "You can work with Kennedy's staff, you can work with Biden's-and chances are, they won't stab you in the back. Leahy's staff, however, plays to win, whatever it takes.

And they'll roll over Democrats just as fast."


--www.freelibrary.com

Posted by: YouryellowribbonmagnetwontgetyouintoHeavenanymore | March 28, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Every American citizen should have the right to vote for the candidate of his/her choice...so wait until these primary elections are finished. Then there will be a lone candidate to vote for against the opposing party. Why not ask Obama to drop out?

Posted by: WMcK1212 | March 28, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

theplanner,

All I have to say is "I remember landing under sniper fire, running to my vehicles, covering our heads" Who's in the news now? If you're going to lie about something, be a good lier! Or lie when you're already in Office like Bush did. But don't lie when your behind in all polls..

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Brian: Instead of just glib statements, why don't you prove me wrong? Here's an article from March 17th on the subject:

What Rev. Jeremiah Wright Believes

News Type: Opinion -- Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:26 PM EDT
us-news, election, obama, clinton, race, wright
dugan49

When Jeremiah Wright got into a spitting contest with right wing TV host Sean Hannity last year, he at one point refused to answer Hannity's badgering questions and kept asking Hannity "Have you read James Cone, what do you know about black theology? Have you read Cone? Have you read Cone?Have you read Cone?"

James Cone is one of he founders, some say the founder, of Black Liberation Theology. Rev. Jeremiah Wright's ministry, his beliefs about America, and about life itself are formed by his attraction to and acceptance of the writings of James Cone.

Let's look at some quotes from James Cone.

____________________

"The time has come for white America to be silent and listen to black people."

"All white men are responsible for white oppression. "

"Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man 'the devil.'"

"Any advice from whites to blacks on how to deal with white oppression is automatically under suspicion as a clever device to further enslavement."

"Black suffering is getting worse, not better. . . . White supremacy is so clever and evasive that we can hardly name it." (2004)

" Jesus Christ is black therefore not because of some cultural or psychological need of black people, but because and only because Christ really enters into our world where the poor were despised and the black are, disclosing that he is with them enduring humiliation and pain and transforming oppressed slaves into liberating servants."

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him."

"The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."

"What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. "

Brian and others: If you don't like this kind of hate speech, then take it up with Obama, Rev. Wright, or James Cone.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Huh! One can´t only clearly imagine but see the burning frustration of the Hillary camp and supporters being displayed at all levels. As Leahy concludes, she may chose to stay in the race but that would not change the simple reality or basic outcome that Obama´s scores are unreachable at this point in time.

Her supporters may also hence decide to encourage her to eventually become a more bitter, bruised,heavily beaten and exhauted loser! Atleast please think about her future credibility and standing within the party as it is almost all but certain she´s at odds with the electoral maths!

Again she is free to continue the dogfight which ofcourse is fairly democratic but one doesn´t need to be a brain surgent or an astronaut to understand the outcome let not her desperate supporters!

Posted by: bcyprian2000 | March 28, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

And the beat goes on. Seems Hilary Clinton's researchers missed the fact that Pat Nixon visited VietNam in 1969. Interesting how Hilary was trying to associate her name with Eleanor Roosevelt.
Next, I agree with Dean, no one in the party should be telling her or Obama to get out of the race. Just support your candidate and let the other one decide for themself to withdraw.

Posted by: JustMyOpinion | March 28, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

And the beat goes on. Seems Hilary Clinton's researchers missed the fact that Pat Nixon visited VietNam in 1969. Interesting how Hilary was trying to associate her name with Eleanor Roosevelt.
Next, I agree with Dean, no one in the party should be telling her or Obama to get out of the race. Just support your candidate and let the other one decide for themself to withdraw.

Posted by: JustMyOpinion | March 28, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

More problems for Hillary:

-- Reports out there that she is running out of money and has massive debts which she has not made public yet, plus her main donors are tapped out.

-- The Bosnia sniper lying fiasco calls her integrity into question even more than it already was.

-- Sen Casey endorsement practically eliminates the possibility of any massive blow-out win in PA which is what she needed to have any slim hope of turning the tide.

-- Texas will be declared a win for Obama after the caucus delegates are officially awarded at the TX state convention tomorrow.

-- All polls are all headed up for Obama and down for Hillary even after Obama had one of the toughest weeks a politician can imagine.

-- Reports out there that many more superdelegates are about to endorse Obama.

-- The media is started to pick up on the improbability of Hillary even making it close and that her only hope is to "kneecap" her opponent.

Posted by: zb95 | March 28, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

And the beat goes on. Seems Hilary Clinton's researchers missed the fact that Pat Nixon visited VietNam in 1969. Interesting how Hilary was trying to associate her name with Eleanor Roosevelt.
Next, I agree with Dean, no one in the party should be telling her or Obama to get out of the race. Just support your candidate and let the other one decide for themself to withdraw.

Posted by: JustMyOpinion | March 28, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Jews+Christians+Muslims=1 (Abraham)

You guys are all related so quit hatin on each other..."his Muslim loving father"...what about you're Christian loving parents or those Jew lovers down the street...besides I though is was all about the love?

Come on...your knuckles are starting to drag.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

A lesson in the making:

The so called "lesser educated among us" could very well be the ones that will teach you many lessons because you would most likely fall flat on your face.

Beware of the average americans for the power they have!!!!

Posted by: Hispana | March 28, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

terry.santiago:

Gov. Richardson was running AGAINST her himself this time around -- he was not a "key supporter" -- I figure he thinks Obama may pick him as a running mate.

Posted by: JakeD | March 28, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

It is crazy that someone in his position calls on Clinton to withdraw. If he believes on the free will of people let the people decide until the end, including the races that are left and let the superdelegates follow their free will and use their judgment and not listen to what Pelosi says.

You can not just call on other people to follow you> You have to convience people that you are the right nominee and Hillary is doing that and everyone should give her a credit for that for God's sake. How much more we need to prove that she never gives up as she believes that deserves to be the next commander in chief and she can easily win over McCain.

These people are clearly jealous of Clintons and they are doing everything possible to make Hillary come out of the race.
I hope she stays until the end and prove all these people they are wrong.

Posted by: sfrasheri | March 28, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Many of you are missing the point. If Hillary wasn't going so negative and vitriolic, no one would be asking her to get out. But it is her own actions of trying to fatally wound Obama that are causing people to want her out of the race for the good of the party. He is the likely nominee and she is trying to make him unelectable. If he were running against anyone with a shred of integrity, this wouldn't even be an issue.

Posted by: msdillo | March 28, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

There wouldn't be any need for Clinton to step aside if she hadn't shifted into such a scorched earth campaign that seems bent on ruining Obama's chances in the fall should Clinton fail to eke out the nomination. In fact, as sour as the race has become, should it stretch all the way to the convention and end in a nasty, pitched battle there, neither Clinton nor Obama may be able to recover in time to mount a strong fall campaign.

What is perhaps most crucial is that there is enough time left on the calendar for disappointed and embittered supporters of the loser to lick their wounds and then come back to support the nominee. The convention could be used as a great moment of reconciliation, but not if the nomination battle ends there in a last stand.

As long as Clinton has a mathematical chance, however slim, she will not step aside, of course. Leahy's comments are just adding to the nasty rhetoric and inflaming Clinton's supporters. The only real hope is that after Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Indiana, the remaining superdelegates will finally move decisively to put an end to things. But if these fence-sitters end up evenly split, it could be an ugly summer to be a Democrat.

Posted by: blert | March 28, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Huh! One can´t only clearly imagine but see the burning frustration of the Hillary camp and supporters being displayed at all levels. As Leahy concludes, she may chose to stay in the race but that would not change the simple reality or basic outcome that Obama´s scores are unreachable at this point in time.

Her supporters may also hence decide to encourage her to eventually become a more bitter, bruised,heavily beaten and exhauted loser! Atleast please think about her future credibility and standing within the party as it is almost all but certain she´s at odds with the electoral maths!

Again she is free to continue the dogfight which ofcourse is fairly democratic but one doesn´t need to be a brain surgent or an astronaut to understand the outcome let not her desperate supporters!

Posted by: bcyprian2000 | March 28, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Can some of you just tone it down? Obama supporters don't do their candidate any good being abusive to Hillary, nor do Hillary supporters do her any favors being abusive to Obama.

Is it so hard to be civil?

It's hardly worth reading this commentary with all the garbage being spewed from both sides.

Posted by: max | March 28, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"Typical Black Father running out on his family. Just like B. Hussein would do to AmeriKKKa when faced with adversity."

These are the type of people who support Hillary.

Posted by: svreaderjr | March 28, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Leave it to Hilary supporters to call names. Just like the women they support all the can do is mud sling. Good job!

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: bhuang2 | March 28, 2008 04:30 PM

Aren't you John Huang's brother, the infamous corrupt fundraiser for Democrats?

And what is this bad attitude about doors hittin' people in the rear? Dems need to have a "big tent." You need to be reported to DNC headquarters!

Posted by: vinnieceskins | March 28, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

> the planner wrote:
> HERE IS A QUESTION I HAVE YET TO HAVE
> ANSWERED BY AN OBAMA SUPPORTER: If
> Hillary had been going to a "white
> centered" church

the planner... you might be interested by this info about Hillary's church:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaYia5Ensw4

Posted by: Logan6 | March 28, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are in denial.

They just don't "get it"

The fact that Obama allied himself with someone who spouts anti-white, anti-semitic, and anti-American rhetoric is a "deal breaker"

Its the number #1 topic of water cooler conversation around the country.

Most "Typical White People" had no idea that stuff like this has been going on.

People are really, really, angry about it.

Obama's supporters try to spin it into being about a single sermon.

Its not.

Its about a 20 year relationship.

Its about Obama choosing Wright to be his "Spritual Advisor"

It's about Obama's lies.

Its about Obama talking out of"both sides of his mouth.

Obama presented himself as a paragon of virtue and someone on a higher ethical plane than other candidates.

He's repeatedly shown through his actions that he isn't.

He's like a human chameleon.

He turns into a completely different person depending on what group of people he's with.

He's lied to us and fooled us over and over.

America doesn't trust him anymore.

He's toast.

He deserves to be.
Obama supporters are in denial.

They just don't "get it"

The fact that Obama allied himself with someone who spouts anti-white, anti-semitic, and anti-American rhetoric is a "deal breaker"

Its the number #1 topic of water cooler conversation around the country.

Most "Typical White People" had no idea that stuff like this has been going on.

People are really, really, angry about it.

Obama's supporters try to spin it into being about a single sermon.

Its not.

Its about a 20 year relationship.

Its about Obama choosing Wright to be his "Spritual Advisor"

It's about Obama's lies.

Its about Obama talking out of"both sides of his mouth.

Obama presented himself as a paragon of virtue and someone on a higher ethical plane than other candidates.

He's repeatedly shown through his actions that he isn't.

He's like a human chameleon.

He turns into a completely different person depending on what group of people he's with.

He's lied to us and fooled us over and over.

America doesn't trust him anymore.

He's toast.

He deserves to be.

Posted by: svreader | March 28, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

People who voted in either the MI or FL Republican primary had their votes counted. They are NOT disenfranchised. For whatever reason, they CHOSE to vote in the Republican primary. Why should they get to have their votes count TWICE?

The disenfranchised are those whose votes were NEVER counted, i.e., those who voted in the "Democratic" primary.

Posted by: misS_tpham | March 28, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

terry.santiago: You say Hillary lies. How about these from Obama, just to name a few: (1) his continual reference to his "Christian" faith (which is actually "black liberation theology"); (2) his lies and omissions about his connection to Rev. Wright, his racist and anti-American "mentor and spiritual adviser"; (3) his "alleged" continual opposition to the Iraq war; (4) his denial regarding playing the race card (for which he was busted by Tim Russert); (5) his initial denial that any meeting took place between his chief economic adviser and the Canadian official about NAFTA; (6) his changing testimony about his relationship with and monetary support from Rezko; (7) his lie about a pharmaceutical lobbyist's involvement in his campaign; (8) his lie about Yucca Mountain and nuclear energy; (9) his lie about his former support for a single-pay health plan; (10) his statement that his parents met at the Selma march (when he was actually born 4 year before that); (11) his claim in his book that he received his racial awakening at age nine reading a Life/Ebony Magazine story about a black man who was scarred trying to dye his skin white, when both Life and Ebony say there was no such article.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

patrick10:

I don't know; what does "quone" mean?

Posted by: JakeD | March 28, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Iowatreasures,

But see it's not Obama supporters that beating her down. It's Democrats as a whole. Even people in her campaign believe she doesn't have a chance to win. Even one of her key supporters (Bill Richardson) endorsed Obama. So who's beating her down again. She's done for and needs to drop out.

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Figures a Communist like Pat Leahy would rather stop the voting before everybody got to cast theirs.

He musta learned that trick from Castro when thay had supper together down in Havana a few years ago.


Posted by: YouryellowribbonmagnetwontgetyouintoHeavenanymore | March 28, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Leahy says Hillary "ought to withdraw?" How about him showing the way! What a dinosaur!

Posted by: filoporquequilo | March 28, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

"LIBERAL LITE" Leprechan Leahy.... part of Mass Liberal Cabal, following "really Jewish" Irish Kerry first endorsement (VP wishes maybe), and Capaquidick "love dem lasses" Teddy.... WANT A LIBERAL DEM Candidate Although NO Liberal Dem EVER ELECTED Since JFK (and he was not a Liberal either).

THANKS Massacheussetts.... Inbred MORONS!

Posted by: rmcnicoll | March 28, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

bhuang2--Not to worry, Hillary's children will all vote for Obama in November. They will vote for Obama and they will like it. Where else are they going to go? McCain? Nader? Stay home? Better they have their tantrum now--Remember Hillary attracts the lesser educated among us.

Posted by: gmundenat | March 28, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

> the planner write...
> HERE IS A QUESTION I HAVE YET TO HAVE
> ANSWERED BY AN OBAMA SUPPORTER: If
> Hillary had been going to a "white
> centered" church

the planner... you might be interested by this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaYia5Ensw4

Posted by: Logan6 | March 28, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

And who thinks that the Obama supporters have been playing a FAIR campaign? These words from Senator Leahy are no more than PROPAGANDA. This is called plainly DIRTY TACTICS and no one should believe that it is a cry for Unity!!!!!

It should be taken as an act of PATRONIZING and of sidetracking the issue of REVEREND WRIGHT, which they know will do major damage to Obama. By eliminating Hillary they believe the issue will go away. Let's not be fools and see Obama for what he is: a leftist radical individual that poses a major question to the lifelihood and security of this country!!!

This race is by no means over and it is now,more than ever, why it is so important to complete these primaries and have everyone vote as is the only democratic process. Florida and Michigan need to re-vote. Once this is completed then we could have a convention and use the delegates to decide if none of these 2 candidates is substantially above the other.

Everyone should pay attention to the fact that Obama's wins through the CAUCUS process is being discussed as CONTROVERSIAL and highly discriminatory and it would probably go to Court.

Posted by: Hispana | March 28, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Just donated to HRC's campaign. If the voters don't have a choice then the election doesn't count and democracy's a sham. The audacity of hope indeed.

Posted by: mbrieo | March 28, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

"LIBERAL LITE" Leprechan Leahy.... part of Mass Liberal Cabal, following "really Jewish" Irish Kerry, and Capaquidick "love dem lasses" Teddy.... WANT A LIBERAL DEM Candidate Although NO Liberal Dem EVER ELECTED Since JFK (and he was not a Liberal either).

THANKS Massacheussetts.... Inbred MORONS!

Posted by: rmcnicoll | March 28, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Leahy -- like Richardson - is just trying to "pile on" and push Hillary out. I think it's disgusting the way the Obamabots don't want the remainder of the voters to have the opportunity to vote. Nor do they want Florida and Michigan voters to even count.

I hope Hillary resists these premature calls to concede. This race is not over, and the so-called "party elders" need to back off! It's still only March, for goodness sakes.

Posted by: 1986JD | March 28, 2008 01:43 PM
------------------------------------------
Very well said.
And, I learned something that makes this whole "shove Hillary out" routine. Nancy Pelosi's finance chairman for her campaigns is the SAME woman who is the finance chairman for Obama's campaign.

The person that brought this information forward said that Nancy Pelosi dances to that woman's tune that is in Obama's campaign, rather than the other way around.

It's all about electability - Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Richardson's electability, not Hillary's. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 28, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Leahy -- like Richardson - is just trying to "pile on" and push Hillary out. I think it's disgusting the way the Obamabots don't want the remainder of the voters to have the opportunity to vote. Nor do they want Florida and Michigan voters to even count.

I hope Hillary resists these premature calls to concede. This race is not over, and the so-called "party elders" need to back off! It's still only March, for goodness sakes.

Posted by: 1986JD | March 28, 2008 01:43 PM
------------------------------------------
Very well said.
And, I learned something that makes this whole "shove Hillary out" routine. Nancy Pelosi's finance chairman for her campaigns is the SAME woman who is the finance chairman for Obama's campaign.

The person that brought this information forward said that Nancy Pelosi dances to that woman's tune that is in Obama's campaign, rather than the other way around.

It's all about electability - Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Richardson's electability, not Hillary's. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 28, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

It appears that Obama has been courting Bloomberg lately because Obama is afraid of being not able to carry New York state in November.
The super-delegates should be encouraged to ponder, gather and discuss key issues such as which candidate is more capable of winning the key battle states (such as FL,OH, PA) in the November's general election, rather than being pushed aside by some senior senators like Leachy or Kennedy.

Posted by: ypcchiu | March 28, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

(b) Florida and Michigan. Your candidate agreed to the terms. If she agreed to it, she shouldn't retract it because she's losing. We don't allow our kids to go back on their word, why should we allow Hillary (ie., isn't that what we call cheating).

Exactly. She agreed early on to the rules. Get mad at the Democratic leaders in Florida and Michigan. They brought this on themselves. Rules are there for a reason, if you break them there are consequences.

If you did that as a parent for your children, what message does that send?

Posted by: svreaderjr | March 28, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Leahy -- like Richardson - is just trying to "pile on" and push Hillary out. I think it's disgusting the way the Obamabots don't want the remainder of the voters to have the opportunity to vote. Nor do they want Florida and Michigan voters to even count.

I hope Hillary resists these premature calls to concede. This race is not over, and the so-called "party elders" need to back off! It's still only March, for goodness sakes.

Posted by: 1986JD | March 28, 2008 01:43 PM
------------------------------------------
Very well said.
And, I learned something that makes this whole "shove Hillary out" routine. Nancy Pelosi's finance chairman for her campaigns is the SAME woman who is the finance chairman for Obama's campaign.

The person that brought this information forward said that Nancy Pelosi dances to that woman's tune that is in Obama's campaign, rather than the other way around.

It's all about electability - Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Richardson's electability, not Hillary's. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 28, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

terry.santiago: You say Hillary lies. How about these from Obama, just to name a few: (1) his continual reference to his "Christian" faith (which is actually "black liberation theology"); (2) his lies and omissions about his connection to Rev. Wright, his racist and anti-American "mentor and spiritual adviser"; (3) his "alleged" continual opposition to the Iraq war; (4) his denial regarding playing the race card (for which he was busted by Tim Russert); (5) his initial denial that any meeting took place between his chief economic adviser and the Canadian official about NAFTA; (6) his changing testimony about his relationship with and monetary support from Rezko; (7) his lie about a pharmaceutical lobbyist's involvement in his campaign; (8) his lie about Yucca Mountain and nuclear energy; (9) his lie about his former support for a single-pay health plan; (10) his statement that his parents met at the Selma march (when he was actually born 4 year before that); (11) his claim in his book that he received his racial awakening at age nine reading a Life/Ebony Magazine story about a black man who was scarred trying to dye his skin white, when both Life and Ebony say there was no such article.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Before one vote was cast or counted, the press had already decided that Clinton would be the democratic nominee. They discounted Obama's run as folly, and the Clinton's did their best to feed that perception.

Surprise, Obama trounces her in Iowa, a predominately white, rural state with a huge evangelical population. The same press that wrote Obama off and had Hillary as the "fore runner", now had to take a look at reality. Perhaps her name and Bill's legacy were not as cherished as they had thought or strong enough to carry her to that nomination.

Now, here we are some months later and Hillary supporters are whining that the media is not playing fair. Where was their sense of outrage when the shoe was on the other foot?

Hillary does not have a devine right to the nomination and I am sorry that she is incapable of accepting that the majority of voters to date, support Obama. There was no reason for her to toss her dignity out the door and go dirty, but she did, and as soon as she was responded to in kind, she played victim.

Let her run to the bitter end if she likes, but at that end if she is still where she is now, I hope that she can muster up some dignity, grace and bow out with class. Because right now she is acting like Dubya with her tantrums and nastiness.

As for Leahy, he should have kept his mouth shut, but he is no worse than Hillary's money backers threatening Pelosi. All Pelosi did was urge the super delegates to bow to the will of the voter. You know them....they are the "people" in "we the people", something Bill and Hill are not considering in their shameless pandering.

Posted by: terip_1962 | March 28, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

All work and no play makes Hill a dull girl.

All work and no play makes Hill a dull girl.

All work and no play makes Hill a dull girl.

All work and no play makes Hill a dull girl.

All work and no play makes Hill a dull girl.

Posted by: falasifa | March 28, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

His father is dead! Also left Obama at the age of 2 - so not loving.

Posted by: mul | March 28, 2008 04:26 PM

Typical Black Father running out on his family. Just like B. Hussein would do to AmeriKKKa when faced with adversity.

Posted by: vinnieceskins | March 28, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

His father is dead! Also left Obama at the age of 2 - so not loving.

Posted by: mul | March 28, 2008 04:26 PM

Typical Black Father running out on his family. Just like B. Hussein would do to AmeriKKKa when faced with adversity.

Posted by: vinnieceskins | March 28, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

"Wright's hateful words and Obama's support for him has lead to death of innocent whites in Chicago."

Please match some facts with this ridiculous statement. Otherwise shut up.
___________________________________

Innocent whiteman was killed today in Philly by a group of 5 gang members for fun.......

This story takes place everyday in the street of Chicago.....

Obama and Osama's word's are spreading those hates in heart of innocent young people.

Obama makes his daughter listen to "Black KKK" message. What do you think is the effect of that?

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080328__Targeted_for_no_reason_.html

Posted by: SeedofChange | March 28, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Before anyone says once again that Fla. voters should count...the majority of voters in Florida are "independents." They are prohibited from voting...it's a closed primary. Many Republicans, like myself, switched registration in time to vote for Hillary figuring she's the weakest candidate. Between 8-12% of her votes came from Republicans who switched for that very reason....and she "won" by less than that.

Republicans and Democrats don't decide elections anymore....Independents do (and they outnumber both Parties by a good 10%).

Posted by: wmboyd | March 28, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Clinton would rather have McCain win than Obama. Viewed in that context, everything she is doing now and over the next few months will completely consistent.

Looking forward to 2012, when she can try again if it doesn't work out this time (unless of course, Obama beats McCain this November - that's the absolute worst outcome for Billary).

Posted by: bpai_99 | March 28, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

From Slate --

Join the Club
A new poll shows Obama's unfavorability rating is similar to Hillary Clinton's.
By Mark Blumenthal and Charles Franklin
Updated Friday, March 28, 2008, at 2:59 PM ET
Yesterday we wrote about a new poll (PDF) that suggested Hillary Clinton's unfavorability rating reached a new high of 48 percent, while Barack Obama's rating was significantly lower at 32 percent. Considering Obama's rough press coverage over the past few weeks because of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's sermons, this was a blow to the conventional wisdom that Obama's candidacy had been harmed by Wright's rhetoric.

However, a new SurveyUSA poll shows the two candidates' unfavorables to be much closer. Obama and Clinton have similar numbers in this poll, with Clinton polling unfavorably among 42 percent of voters. He is viewed unfavorably by 40 percent of the voters. She is viewed favorably by 35 percent of voters, while Obama is viewed favorably by 38 percent of voters

Posted by: svreader | March 28, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

bobby20,

thanks Bobby and lets not forget Hilary agreed to not have their delegates seated when they did have the early primaries, because she was leading by so much. She along with Barack agreed they violated party rules and therefore should be punished. Now, as always, she's back tracking..

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

The tide has turned, Obama has weathered the storm, as exemplified by the Richardson and Casey endorsements and now this. It's time for John Edwards to step up and endorse Obama as well. As for Gore-- he is still needed to play the elder statesman in this whole thing. Also, remember how he endorsed Howard Dean just before he fell apart in 2004. Probably doesn't want to put himself out there again.

Let Hillary have her glory in Pennsylvania... hopefully the voters will come to their senses by then. Either way, the writing should be on the wall by that point.

One more point... Hillary's "sniper fire" story WILL have legs. As one former military man told me, no one who has ever been under fire will forgive her for that. Like most of these little things, they only stick if there is something else (e.g. a cycle of disingenuousness) behind them.

Posted by: hypo | March 28, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Hilary appears on Fox News, she gives an interview to a radical right wing newspaper in Pittsburgh and Bill goes on Rush Limbaugh show -- but she refuses to go on many regular mainstream media shows. What's up with that?? The only way I can interpet this is that she is teaming up with "dark side" to help her "kneecap" her opponent. Pathetic.

Posted by: zb95 | March 28, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

bhuang2:

His / her initials could be "JD" too.

Posted by: JakeD | March 28, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

The tide has turned, Obama has weathered the storm, as exemplified by the Richardson and Casey endorsements and now this. It's time for John Edwards to step up and endorse Obama as well. As for Gore-- he is still needed to play the elder statesman in this whole thing. Also, remember how he endorsed Howard Dean just before he fell apart in 2004. Probably doesn't want to put himself out there again.

Let Hillary have her glory in Pennsylvania... hopefully the voters will come to their senses by then. Either way, the writing should be on the wall by that point.

One more point... Hillary's "sniper fire" story WILL have legs. As one former military man told me, no one who has ever been under fire will forgive her for that. Like most of these little things, they only stick if there is something else (e.g. a cycle of disingenousness) behind them.

Posted by: hypo | March 28, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

misunderestimate?

Is that like "quone"?

To "quone" somebody?

Posted by: patrick10 | March 28, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

This is Hillary Clinton: Whitewater, Travelgate, Monica Lewinsky and impeachment, renting out the Lincoln bedroom, the loss of the Rose Law Firm billing records for nearly 2 years until they were miraculously found in the White House living quarters, removing files from Vince Foster's office following his suicide and before investigators could get there. Her stalling to release her full tax returns and earmark requests from her time in the Senate, as well as her Clinton library donors. Her apology to the African American community (for her campaigns racist comments) which came days too late. Her decline to return $170,000 in campaign contributions from individuals at International Profit Associates, or IPA accused of widespread sexual harassment, and whose CEO is a disbarred lawyer with a criminal record. Lets not forget her campaign eventually returned some $850,000 to Hong Kong businessman Norman Hsu who was found to be a fugitive in a 15-year old theft case. He was indicted for fraud related to his campaign contributions in 2007. Her failed inclusion and diplomacy with congress on her universal health care bid. Her subsequent surrender and alignment to the health care industry. Her flip flop on NAFTA. Her flip flop on Iraq. Her flip flop on Florida and Michigan. Her exaggerated foreign policy experience. Her dealing the race card better than Republicans could. Clinton photo with Rezko. Clinton photo and prayer breakfast with Rev Wright. Her lies about Bosnia. Her failure to get the endorsement of close friend Bill Richardson. Her flip flop on pledged delegates and superdelegates by encouraging party elite to vote against the will of the people - "I believe strongly that in a democracy, we should respect the will of the people and to me, that means it's time to do away with the Electoral College and move to the popular election of our president." - Hillary Clinton in 2000

Posted by: oneworld67352 | March 28, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Clearly there is a behind the scenes push by the Obama supporters to urge Clinton to quit because they anticipate that she will win Pennsylvania handily and that will create an even tighter race. But their whole premise--that there is something wrong with letting the democratic process run its course--is unseemly and in fact unhealthy to the process. Let all the states vote, and then let the superdelegates decide on whatever grounds they want, and stop making it seem like it's illegitimate or destructive to just play by the rules that the Dems have set for themselves. If damage is being done, it's by the likes of Dean, Leahy, and others suggesting that Clinton should stop now before the process is done. No wonder so many Clinton supporters now say they will vote for McCain if Clinton loses the primary--it's because they feel she is being railroaded by the powers-that-be, with a strong assist from the Hillary-hating media.

Posted by: roger32 | March 28, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

His father is dead! Also left Obama at the age of 2 - so not loving.

Posted by: mul | March 28, 2008 04:26 PM

Typical Black Father running out on his family. Just like B. Hussein would do to AmeriKKKa when faced with adversity.

Posted by: vinnieceskins | March 28, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Before one vote was cast or counted, the press had already decided that Clinton would be the democratic nominee. They discounted Obama's run as folly, and the Clinton's did their best to feed that perception.

Surprise, Obama trounces her in Iowa, a predominately white, rural state with a huge evangelical population. The same press that wrote Obama off and had Hillary as the "fore runner", now had to take a look at reality. Perhaps her name and Bill's legacy were not as cherished as they had thought or strong enough to carry her to that nomination.

Now, here we are some months later and Hillary supporters are whining that the media is not playing fair. Where was their sense of outrage when the shoe was on the other foot?

Hillary does not have a devine right to the nomination and I am sorry that she is incapable of accepting that the majority of voters to date, support Obama. There was no reason for her to toss her dignity out the door and go dirty, but she did, and as soon as she was responded to in kind, she played victim.

Let her run to the bitter end if she likes, but at that end if she is still where she is now, I hope that she can muster up some dignity, grace and bow out with class. Because right now she is acting like Dubya with her tantrums and nastiness.

As for Leahy, he should have kept his mouth shut, but he is no worse than Hillary's money backers threatening Pelosi. All Pelosi did was urge the super delegates to bow to the will of the voter. You know them....they are the "people" in "we the people", something Bill and Hill are not considering in their shameless pandering.

Posted by: terip_1962 | March 28, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse


Didn't this flake Leahy go down to Cuba eight or nine years ago and sit down and have supper with Fidel Castro?

Yeah.. THAT Pat Leahy..

Now, apparently, he's a gold-card member of the "Goddamn America Club."

Posted by: YouryellowribbonmagnetwontgetyouintoHeavenanymore | March 28, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

As for the supposed liberals that are going to vote for McCain. Seriously, don't let the door hit your @#$@ on the way out. There's a reason why the younger voters and the more educated voters are going for Obama. I'll let you figure out the demographics and the rationale there.

Posted by: bhuang2 | March 28, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse


Didn't this flake Leahy go down to Cuba eight or nine years ago and sit down and have supper with Fidel Castro?

Yeah.. THAT Pat Leahy..

Now, apparently, he's a gold-card member of the "Goddamn America Club."

Posted by: YouryellowribbonmagnetwontgetyouintoHeavenanymore | March 28, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I voted for Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996 and had thought Hillary would make a decent president, even though I support Obama. No more - there's no way she wins this thing, and it's pathetic that she can't simply concede defeat when we all know that it is inevitable. Keeping the charade going hurts the party - but when all you care about is power, who cares if you hurt the party? Hillary is not only going to lose this primary - she's going to permanently tarnish her and her husband's legacy in the process.

Posted by: chop1 | March 28, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Hillary CANNOT withdraw! She owes it to the many people that voted for her and who have funded her campaign. It has not only been special interest groups as many people have claimed. If there is a hair of a chance for her to win, she should move forward.

Posted by: ergaleas | March 28, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

ENOUGH OF THE LIES ABOUT HILLARY'S ALLEGED AGREEMENT NOT TO COUNT THE VOTES IN MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA. She and Obama promised not to CAMPAIGN in the states; that's all. Here is the exact statement signed by both Clinton and Obama: WHEREAS, Over a year ago, the Democratic National Committee established a 2008 nominating calendar;WHEREAS, this calendar honors the racial, ethnic, economic and geographic diversity of our party and our country;WHEREAS, the DNC also honored the traditional role of retail politics early in the nominating process, to insure that money alone will not determine our presidential nominee;WHEREAS, it is the desire of Presidential campaigns, the DNC, the states and the American people to bring finality, predictability and common sense to the nominating calendar. THEREFORE, I _____, Democratic Candidate for President, pledge I shall not campaign or participate in any state which schedules a presidential election primary or caucus before Feb. 5, 2008, except for the states of Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina, as "campaigning" is defined by rules and regulations of the DNC. *** Because Obama is obsessed with his own political ambitions, he has chosen to stand in the way of the rights of millions of voters in Michigan and Florida. I hope all voters will remember.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

His father is dead! Also left Obama at the age of 2 - so not loving.

Posted by: mul | March 28, 2008 04:26 PM

Typical Black Father running out on his family. Just like B. Hussein would do to AmeriKKKa when faced with adversity.

Posted by: vinnieceskins | March 28, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton has every right to stay in the race, and I'm no fan of hers. There is a lot of time left until August and the delegate count is still close. Too many Dem big shots seem to be panicking at the thought that Clinton and Obama will damage each other too much, or that this may actually be decided at the convention. The mood of the country seems to be pro-Democrat regardless of who the nominee is, and wasn't the nominee ALWAYS decided at the convention years ago? Show some backbone, people! These things usually work out.

Posted by: rmpatera | March 28, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

From Slate --

Join the Club
A new poll shows Obama's unfavorability rating is similar to Hillary Clinton's.
By Mark Blumenthal and Charles Franklin
Updated Friday, March 28, 2008, at 2:59 PM ET
Yesterday we wrote about a new poll (PDF) that suggested Hillary Clinton's unfavorability rating reached a new high of 48 percent, while Barack Obama's rating was significantly lower at 32 percent. Considering Obama's rough press coverage over the past few weeks because of the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's sermons, this was a blow to the conventional wisdom that Obama's candidacy had been harmed by Wright's rhetoric.

However, a new SurveyUSA poll shows the two candidates' unfavorables to be much closer. Obama and Clinton have similar numbers in this poll, with Clinton polling unfavorably among 42 percent of voters. He is viewed unfavorably by 40 percent of the voters. She is viewed favorably by 35 percent of voters, while Obama is viewed favorably by 38 percent of voters

Posted by: svreader | March 28, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

The fat lady IS singing! No wait...that's Hillary on TV. Nevermind.

Posted by: gmundenat | March 28, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Steadman,

Thanks for sharing with the less informed. I hope they read your post.

the planner,

You really are missing the point and the real history and complexity of the human experience. For me, I still haven't heard any racist speak coming from Rev. Wright, but then again I grew up around Black folk and educated myself about the world I live in...Obamas okay with me. Some of us don't have some deep seeded guilt issues that cause us to be so quick to judge some guy Barrack was good friends with.

I guess the Clevers are expectin ya for dinner tonight?

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm so glad Hillary is standing her ground and not let the Obama supporters shove her out of the race.

That has been Obama's M.O. from the beginning, feign success and get the swooning media to say that.

Obama's Axelrod "swiftboat crew," don't miss a beat at bashing Hillary in a way that Obama looks like the "victim."

I do not like Obama and his "swiftboat crew," the swooning, biased media, and the men who are endorsing Obama who are just plain jealous of Hillary's successes.

Hillary could easily win this thing. The more the media and Obama supporters try to beat her down, the more committed that 67% who don't want Hillary out of the race, become.

I think Pennsylvania is going to say a lot. People in Pennsylvania are not going to fall for Obama's arrogance and claim he has a right to be the president - that he deserves it. Well, he doesn't. Obama has so many negatives - at least 25 that I know of that the Republican "swiftboaters" will challenge Obama's Axelrod "swift boat crew," and the Republicans have more than enough to turn Obama into a footnote in history.

One thing Hillary should be aware of, her many millions of supporters like it when she sticks up for herself. She doesn't have to agree to be a party uniter for Obama's benefit - to assuage people's disgust about Obama and his pastor, and Obama and his relationship to Rezko/Auchi, or Obama's relationship with a domestic terrorist, or Obama's relationship with his cousin, Odinga, who Obama supported in 2007, in his election. Odinga claims to be a Christian, also, but he made a pact with a group that burned Christian churches down and macheted people in the streets.

Obama is too close to radicalism and criminals such as Rezko, and radicals like Rev. Wright and Farrakun. In one of his books, one of Obama's favorite mentors was a communist.

There is something wrong with this narcisstic, egotistical, pathological liar named Obama. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 28, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm so glad Hillary is standing her ground and not let the Obama supporters shove her out of the race.

That has been Obama's M.O. from the beginning, feign success and get the swooning media to say that.

Obama's Axelrod "swiftboat crew," don't miss a beat at bashing Hillary in a way that Obama looks like the "victim."

I do not like Obama and his "swiftboat crew," the swooning, biased media, and the men who are endorsing Obama who are just plain jealous of Hillary's successes.

Hillary could easily win this thing. The more the media and Obama supporters try to beat her down, the more committed that 67% who don't want Hillary out of the race, become.

I think Pennsylvania is going to say a lot. People in Pennsylvania are not going to fall for Obama's arrogance and claim he has a right to be the president - that he deserves it. Well, he doesn't. Obama has so many negatives - at least 25 that I know of that the Republican "swiftboaters" will challenge Obama's Axelrod "swift boat crew," and the Republicans have more than enough to turn Obama into a footnote in history.

One thing Hillary should be aware of, her many millions of supporters like it when she sticks up for herself. She doesn't have to agree to be a party uniter for Obama's benefit - to assuage people's disgust about Obama and his pastor, and Obama and his relationship to Rezko/Auchi, or Obama's relationship with a domestic terrorist, or Obama's relationship with his cousin, Odinga, who Obama supported in 2007, in his election. Odinga claims to be a Christian, also, but he made a pact with a group that burned Christian churches down and macheted people in the streets.

Obama is too close to radicalism and criminals such as Rezko, and radicals like Rev. Wright and Farrakun. In one of his books, one of Obama's favorite mentors was a communist.

There is something wrong with this narcisstic, egotistical, pathological liar named Obama. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 28, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I'm so glad Hillary is standing her ground and not let the Obama supporters shove her out of the race.

That has been Obama's M.O. from the beginning, feign success and get the swooning media to say that.

Obama's Axelrod "swiftboat crew," don't miss a beat at bashing Hillary in a way that Obama looks like the "victim."

I do not like Obama and his "swiftboat crew," the swooning, biased media, and the men who are endorsing Obama who are just plain jealous of Hillary's successes.

Hillary could easily win this thing. The more the media and Obama supporters try to beat her down, the more committed that 67% who don't want Hillary out of the race, become.

I think Pennsylvania is going to say a lot. People in Pennsylvania are not going to fall for Obama's arrogance and claim he has a right to be the president - that he deserves it. Well, he doesn't. Obama has so many negatives - at least 25 that I know of that the Republican "swiftboaters" will challenge Obama's Axelrod "swift boat crew," and the Republicans have more than enough to turn Obama into a footnote in history.

One thing Hillary should be aware of, her many millions of supporters like it when she sticks up for herself. She doesn't have to agree to be a party uniter for Obama's benefit - to assuage people's disgust about Obama and his pastor, and Obama and his relationship to Rezko/Auchi, or Obama's relationship with a domestic terrorist, or Obama's relationship with his cousin, Odinga, who Obama supported in 2007, in his election. Odinga claims to be a Christian, also, but he made a pact with a group that burned Christian churches down and macheted people in the streets.

Obama is too close to radicalism and criminals such as Rezko, and radicals like Rev. Wright and Farrakun. In one of his books, one of Obama's favorite mentors was a communist.

There is something wrong with this narcisstic, egotistical, pathological liar named Obama. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | March 28, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

F.Y.I people Michigan & Florida is the ones to blame for there residents votes not counting. NOT Barack or Hillary. They chose to jump the gun with ther primaries and now are not paying the price! No delagates seated at the convention!!

Posted by: bobby20 | March 28, 2008 04:25 PM

The people did not move the Primary UP.

Please god tell me this is not one of ours.

Indy or GOP?

Posted by: mul | March 28, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

non-sense the more his poll numbers appear to go up.

Posted by: zb95 | March 28, 2008 04:26 PM

Yeah...against Shrillary..but he's gettin' his ass kicked by McCain...

Posted by: vinnieceskins | March 28, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

cali_snowboarder,

are you serious? Obama is in panic mode? You need to check your numbers and facts. It's Hilary that is in Panic mode. The only state she really has a chance of winning is in PA and even those numbers are slipping. But hey, I guess I would except little political knowledge from a snowboarder...

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Some of these HRC comments are moronic.

(a) Who really cares whether you supported HRC before Obama "came on the scene". Longevity doesn't make a good candidate. So strike that "logic"

(b) Florida and Michigan. Your candidate agreed to the terms. If she agreed to it, she shouldn't retract it because she's losing. We don't allow our kids to go back on their word, why should we allow Hillary (ie., isn't that what we call cheating).

(c) And it's embarrassing for a supposed lawyer (1986JD) to say that it's only March. Hello, everyone is moving up their primaries, that's why Florida and Michigan got punished. You sure don't keep up with current events much for someone who is immersed in the law.

(d) I also didn't know it was against campaign rules to take some time off. Just because Hillary isn't taking time off doesn't mean Obama should be penalized. Maybe HRC can be more coherent if she took a break and stop her "misspeaking (ala falsehoods)" of the past three weeks (heck decade).

In summary, she lies and now she's attempting to "cheat". And you wonder why most progressives are tired of Clinton.

Posted by: bhuang2 | March 28, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Racist B. Hussein Osama needs a one way ticket back to Kenya so he can get bedtime stories about JIHAD read to him by his loving MUSLIM father!

Posted by: vinnieceskins | March 28, 2008 04:23 PM

His father is dead! Also left Obama at the age of 2 - so not loving.

Posted by: mul | March 28, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Funny, the more the media attacks Barack about the this Rev Wright non-sense the more his poll numbers appear to go up.

Posted by: zb95 | March 28, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

F.Y.I people Michigan & Florida is the ones to blame for there residents votes not counting. NOT Barack or Hillary. They chose to jump the gun with ther primaries and now are not paying the price! No delagates seated at the convention!!

Posted by: bobby20 | March 28, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Racist B. Hussein Osama needs a one way ticket back to Kenya so he can get bedtime stories about JIHAD read to him by his loving MUSLIM father!

Posted by: vinnieceskins | March 28, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Terr3gs and write2caro and anyone else let me just say WOW!

Addressinf FL & Mich: First, both Legislators are to be blamed for this situation. They new what would happen if they went ahead and move their primary dates up. Everyone knew what the rules were when this contest started. Senator Clinton simply misjudged her opponent and now she is crying fowl. Please see her comments about Mich in December.

Second: A year ago, if anyone had told you that Obama would be ahead in both the delegate count and popular votes at time point in the democratic primary, you would have called them crazy. Understand the significance of what has happened. Obama team to on the clinton machine with its establishment backers, substantial financial resources, the mystic of President Clinton, and less name recognition and built an organization, draw millions of new voters into the process, competed and has won more votes than the combined Republican candidates. That is simply amazing.

Rev. Wright: Is it not strange that after two books, years as a community organizer, stints in IL state sanate, 3 yrs in the U.S Senate, President of the Harvard and numerous speeches, he is being criticized for what his pastor said? What about Jerry Farwell, Haige and a bunch of so-called Christian Conservatives. What about Billy Graham who is on tape with President Nixon denigrating Jews? Reagan and the Bushs'consider him a close family friend. In fact he is a media darling, America's great preacher. So give me a break. I agree that Obama is going to take a hit for this one but if it was not for this it was going to be something else. By the way,Obama speech on race is not something that he just made up. He articulates similar sentiments in The Audicity of Hope (Read it)

Third, imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and Obama was behind and wanted to go until the convention? What do you think the media would be saying? What would Clinton's supporters being saying?

As an Obama supporter I don't think that Ms. Clinton needs to drop out of the race. I do believe that she needs to stop promoting Senator McCain over Obama. It would have been a great political move if she was in front and trying to ward of Obama but to do that when you are behind at this point in the race is counter productive to the democratic cause in the general election.

Finally, the Clinton years in the White House were not so great for democratics in Congress. The lost both the house and the senate during President Clinton's tenure. It was followed by 8 years of George W. As such, Ms. Clinton should be careful that in her efforts to win she does not sink the party. Of course she shold be tough and challenge Obama at every turn. However, it is not wise for either the candidate or her spouse to endorse McCain as they have done now on numerous occasions.

Finally, if by some miracle Senator Clinton becomes the nominee, I will vote for her. To all you angry Obama and Clinton supporters, it would be stupid and in most case detremental to your own interest to cross party lines or even to sit out this election just because your candidate did not win.

Posted by: wblair1 | March 28, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

What do you know, I agree with Dick Cheney's wishes to Mr. Leahy. What an odd season this has turned out to be.

Posted by: mmeyerdc | March 28, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Skrut003--To Hillary, there is no greater good. Nothing is worth her sacrifice. She is the end all. Her selfish actions reflect as much.

Posted by: gmundenat | March 28, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

This is really funny, another loser like Kennedy, Kerry, Richardson, Dodd and Durbin.
Why don't we tell the people of Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Indiana, West Virginia, South Dakota, Montana, Oregon, Florida and Michigan not to vote in November, only the Republicans can vote in those states. Rove could not create a better script to win an election as these clowns are doing exactly what Rove predicted they would do. It's ironic, each of these blowhearts, has had a primary in there states, so it's ok for them to tell other states not to vote. Republican friends of mine, laugh at me and tell me how can you stay a Democrat with these quitters. They are right, if Hillary goes, then I go Republican.

Posted by: sampirri | March 28, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

The polls are all turning in Obama's favor. From Gallop.com:

Today's Gallup Poll Daily tracking update finds Barack Obama with an eight percentage point advantage over Hillary Clinton (50% to 42%), this gives him a statistically significant advantage for the first time since before the Rev. Jeremiah Wright controversy.

Obama's current 8-point advantage ties his largest lead of the Gallup Poll Daily tracking program, along with a 50% to 42% showing in Feb. 28-March 1 polling. Obama clearly has weathered the Wright storm, while the dark clouds have shifted to Clinton over whether she has exaggerated her foreign policy credentials. This week she has had to defend her repeated claim that she came under sniper fire while visiting Bosnia as first lady, which news video clearly disputed.

Posted by: zb95 | March 28, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I feel like we are getting though to some Obama peeps.

Lets have the election - do something about Michigan and Florida and see who wins.

Like I said I think the Obama camp is pushing this line but it will only help Hillary if she gets a Big win in Penn.

This has got to be earned.

Posted by: mul | March 28, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Racist B. Hussein Osama needs a one way ticket back to Kenya so he can get bedtime stories about JIHAD read to him by his loving MUSLIM father!

Posted by: vinnieceskins | March 28, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

oh dear - there used to be a time when the democratic party valued the democratic process. What a shame - I'd say that the democrats will be losing a great number of voters who will become independents - and rightfully so.

Posted by: kec132 | March 28, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Leahy & Dodd, the truth is you each only get one vote. So shut the hell up and let the rest of us make up our own minds.

I'm sick and tired of fat, old, men preaching to me about how we need to unite the Democratic party and then pick a side.

Posted by: k_beldy | March 28, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

One has to really wonder what this is all about! With his encouragement for Hillary to get out, that must mean that he endorses Obama, which is political suicide right now with all the problems he has in reclaiming his placement with whites. Leahy must be smoking crack!
Obama is the one that should consider getting out and allow Hillary to go on and become the nominee. I think a duel is in line to be the next move. Give them both a gun, a big gun and let them shoot it out on the streets until one dies, and the one left standing wins the nominiation.
At tjos [pomt Republicans are ready to run against anything or anyone that the Democrats can crown as the their nominee.
What a mess this is. What a joke it has turned out to be.

Posted by: k.jarrell01 | March 28, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Tenebroso,

I hate to sound like a profound Obama supporter, when all actuallly I WAS until recently a Clinton supporter. Who's the deceptive one again? Obama? Personally, I feel Obama has been the most honest of all the candidates. Hilary has done nothing but lie and deceive the American people into believing she has done so much. All the news thats on tv, are you totally oblivous to it? Because, you need to turn it on. She has no time to even debate important issues she's to busy clearing up lies she's told. So who's the deceptive one again?

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Clinton should have stepped down long ago; it was clearly obvious that Obama could beat McCain hands down, whilst she could not.
Her selfish ego has turned this whole thing into a nasty present for the Rebulicans.
SHE IS NOW DOING ALL SHE CAN TO ENSURE THAT OBAMA DOES NOT BEAT McCAIN. I'S SURE WHE WILL CONTINUE IN AN UNDERHAND WAY OF UNDERMINING OBAMA...SHE DOES NOT WANT A DEMOCRAT TO WIN IF IT IS NOT HERSELF. SHE IS VERY DANGEROUS.

Posted by: pathina | March 28, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Lahey, Kennedy, Daschel, McCaskill, Kerry, Richardson, Caroline Kennedy, effectively Pelosi, John Lewis, Dodd, et al.

When the bulk of the Dem heavies are not on your side and say that it's time to start taking one for the team, at a minimum, you should chill out with the silly rhetoric and most probably consider canning it after NC/IN, unless something major pops up.

There is no "I" in team.

Posted by: seeburgerbuzz | March 28, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

farfalle44...see this is what I am talking about. Why do we need to continue to spread false stories? NPR and CNN already did a special talkin about the fact that the reporter was likely not telling the truth as the records of Obama's travel that day showed. Can democrats not argue about things that are real?

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Alas, the men jump ship like rats. The good ship Obama will sink in the general election. Can't wait to see how Leahy, Richardson, Casey will save face.

Posted by: nugentja2 | March 28, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

All this BS about Obama supporters not wanting to count all the votes. Where was Team Billary when it was decided that the Florida and Michigan delegates wouldn't be seated if they moved up their primaries beyond a certain date? Dodging flak in Bosnia, hiding Clinton Library contributions, or revising HRC's NAFTA record? Methinks she'd have a much stronger case if she acted proactively instead of after-the-fact. And I was not originally for Obama, and still have some questions about him....but one thing for certain: I.Will.Not.Vote.For.That.Woman.

Posted by: ricroc | March 28, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Translation: the Obama team is in panic mode, as the polls in PA, WV, and NC don't bode well. Obama can't win without superdelegates, and with the Wright fiasco growing daily, if anyone should withdraw, it should be Obama.

Posted by: cali_snowboarder | March 28, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse


Leahy.

Vermont.

That pretty much adds up to 'Communist," doesn't it?


Posted by: YouryellowribbonmagnetwontgetyouintoHeavenanymore | March 28, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should know that the writing is on the wall. Obama only needs a few more delegates to clinch the nomination statistically. Just about every poll that has come out shows that Obama will fare much better in the general election than Hillary, mostly because she is a very polarizing figure in polititcs. The only way that the Clintons could possibly win the nomination now is to "kneecap" the Obama campaign, which they are pulling out the kitchen sink to try and find something to throw at him that will stick.

Anyone complaining about media bias for Obama must be blind. The news was running that video about Pastor Wright for a whole week trying to say that his run was over. For all of the dirt that the Clintons try to dig up, they sure have alot of secrets themselves.

Posted by: deviant24x | March 28, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I really wish people would stop using the inflammatory word "disenfranchisement." There is no "disenfranchisement" when selecting party nominees!
Being "disenfranchised" is losing the constitutionally guaranteed right to vote for elected governmental representatives, not to select nominees of private political organizations! As long as one can vote in the elections, there is no disenfranchisement.

Posted by: TerpMan1 | March 28, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Guilty white Pat Leahy just hasn't gotten enough lectures about what a racist he is from the ever lovin' race hustlin poverty pimps of the "black community."

Obama should be in Jail for hate crimes against "whitey."

Posted by: vinnieceskins | March 28, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should quit. She is damaging the Clinton's legacy, or what is left of that legacy.
She had far than enough time to make her case. The people have chosen Barack Obama.

The people don't want the Clinton's to come back at the White House, that is the bottom line. But she doesn't want to face that reality.

Posted by: Docta | March 28, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's negatives are still much higher than Obama's or McCain's. She can't beat either one.

Posted by: zb95 | March 28, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Barack is closing in on her in PA and he has a double digit lead in North Carolina and he is ahead in the polls in Indiana. Hillary the fat lady is humming and come May 6 she will be singing. At the point please get the hell out of Baracks way to the White House!

Posted by: bobby20 | March 28, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

to scottinmd:
you stated
"that a white candidate would never get the same kind of pass as obama if he was so closesly associated with a racist like obama is to wright. just because you may not like the theory does not mean there's no merit to it. after all, you're opinion must not being any more important than the rest of us mere mortals posting on here" To that I give you the reverand Hagee. who McCain aggresively went after his endorsement. And who McCain "warmly embraces" and calling rev. hagee a friend is an absolute disgrace. McCain is not much better.

Hagee has also called upon the west to nuke israel and Iran to start biblical wars....wants us to kill homosexuals.

So there goes your white man theroy!! seriously you need to get ya head out of ya aZZZZ if you truly think that because Obama is a black man he some how gets a pass on race. what a effing idiot you are and like it or not you are the TYPICAL insecure white dude. And I want to be clear that their are plenty of progessive inteligent secure white men that never think like you. but you and your limited thinking is what's wrong with our country. Also the whole race issue with a candidate would never come up if it was a white man about to be the nominee. if you think I'm wrong then check every single presidential election before this one.

Posted by: koolkrez | March 28, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

What Democrats like Leahy (and me) really want is an end to the rancor. Given that Hillary's chances are so slim, tearing down Obama as she has been doing is basically doing the Republican's bidding. If she focuses on the issues and stops ripping the party apart, then I don't think anyone cares how long she stays in the the race. If she continues with the Tonya Harding approach, however, I think she'll force superdelagates to start declaring en masse for Obama.

Posted by: skrut003 | March 28, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Seeburger, to answer your question, your boy Obama was seen in July 2007 in church nodding in agreement as the good Rev. Wright screamed out the "United States of WHITE America"-and No, the Obama camp was never able to show that Obama was not in church that morning, the reporter who saw him, several times in the church in 2007 stands by his story:

See, "Obama's Church: Cauldron of Division", Jim Davis, Aug. 9, 2007

And from the noted black commentator, Armstrong Williams, this article:

Obama Should Have Left Wright's Church

Thursday, March 20, 2008 2:49 PM

By: Armstrong Williams Article Font Size


Having grown up in both the Pentecostal and Methodist faiths, Sunday worship was a staple of my weekly routine. Thus, when I relocated to Washington during the 80s finding a church home was very important to me.


For almost 10 years I canvassed the nation's capitol seeking a church that would nourish my spirit and challenge my aspirations. As I tried out local churches, I began to notice a consistent theme: the sermons were highly politically charged. Understandably, this being the nation's capital, there is perhaps a heightened political awareness among the general populace.


However, I believed, perhaps naively, that Churches in a town mired in politics should generally steer clear of the muck and focus more closely on the personal and spiritual aspects of faith. Ministers are right to advocate for social justice as a moral imperative, but they lower the esteem of their office and do a disservice to their worshippers when the pulpit becomes host to political rallies and policy forums.


In 1995, my spirit found what it was seeking when I first visited First Baptist Church in D.C., where the Rev. Frank Tucker presides. I will never forget meeting with the pastor prior to joining and expressing my feelings about what I was looking for in a church.


I made it clear that my interest was in the word of God, and not in having politics dominate the pulpit on Sunday. He shared my concerns, and promised that this wasn't the case at his church. I have now attended First Baptist for over 10 years and never been disappointed with the spirit-centered teachings. Through the years I've taken whites, Muslims, Jews, and people of all walks of life to worship with me and they all have left feeling as if they were welcome members of the congregation.


But there are many churches across this nation, both black and white, whose pastors have taken a more radical political stance. After all, the black Church especially became home to the civil rights movement, as prominent preachers such as Martin Luther King and Ralph Abernathy began to teach a radical message of social change.


The church was also one of the few places in the South where civil rights activists could gather to organize and strategize. They were places where ministers could help their congregation deal with their anger, frustration, and America's ungodliness towards their brethren.


However, the protest politics of the civil rights era have to evolve to today's reality of progress and opportunity. As what were once outsiders to the political process assume their rightful place as leaders in today's society, they must be conscious of projecting an inclusive message.


While freedom of speech, assembly, and the freedom of religion guarantee all Americans the choice of where to attend worship, a political candidate such as Barack Obama needs to be heedful that, should he assume leadership, he will be the leader of all of America and not just black America.


He will represent the rich and the poor, the powerful and the disenfranchised alike. Thus, associating with a radical protest theology which some could construe as anti-American only serves to distance him from those he most needs to win over to his side.


Absent clear evidence to the contrary, one must assume that at least on some level that Obama and his wife, having attended Wright's church for the past 20 years, have embraced his teachings and vision of America.


I know that my minister has always had a profound impact on my outlook about life. Thus, I find it difficult to believe Obama when he tells us that he was unaware of his pastor's stance on issues of terrorism, racism, and politics. Like many intellectual blacks, the Obamas and their ilk are highly aware of what they perceive as the continuous crippling effect of racism and slavery in America on their careers.


The irony is that many of their children have embraced this country, finding success and prosperity, while their parents continue to allow their wounds to be nurtured in this hopeless mindset preached from the pulpit. Michelle Obama's expression of how for the first time she was proud of America was indicative of the influence of her Pastor and this attitude among black elites in general.


Obama should admit to the fact that since campaigning he's seen a different America.


He must show that he rejects and repudiates this school of negative thinking about the possibility for change in America. Furthermore he should stand above divisiveness and fractured politics and repudiate a theology which overly emphasizes the worst in our country, while ignoring the phenomenal progress we have made together.

This past week was not an exemplary moment for the man who prided himself on integrity and honesty throughout this campaign. The fact is, the senator has no plausible excuse for why he remained a member of Wright's church while seeking a role on the national stage. He and his family should have left the congregation for the embrace of a church that teaches the Bible rather than the alienation and divisiveness.


It makes no sense for someone in search of America's promise and potential to worship in a place where a doctrine of hatred and anti-Semitism is the central theme and members stand and applaud the pastor like a rock star.


I was taught that church was a place of escape and rest, but I didn't want to worship with someone who is supposed to be a religious leader feeding me poisonous propaganda. My reason for going to church has always been for a spiritual recharge, not more of the same.


I deal with politics 24/6, and one day a week I get a chance to take a break from all that.


I believe this to be healthy and think it is sad that I had to try so hard for so long to find a church that was able to provide the rest or Sabbath, mentioned in the Bible. The day must come when churches (black or otherwise) that preach hate speech return to the sanctity of the word.


No one should ever be forced to search for such a lengthy duration or give up and settle in a church that is unacceptable and potentially pay the price that Obama is paying for imbedded cynicism.

www.armstrongwilliams.com


Posted by: farfalle44 | March 28, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Remember back in 2004 when Cheney spat a rather profane instruction to Mr. Leahy that garnered all sorts of press? Perhaps now, Hillary might think old Dick wasn't so off the mark after all. That said: I would like to implore her to throw in the towel; go out with her dignity intact and not squander the momentum that has caught fire across the country. Please.

Posted by: jillgoodsell | March 28, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

HERE IS A QUESTION I HAVE YET TO HAVE ANSWERED BY AN OBAMA SUPPORTER: If Hillary had been going to a "white centered" church for 20 years; the fundamental theology of the church was one of white versus black; the pastor of the church often made racist remarks against blacks, and blamed all of society's ills on black people; the pastor of the church gave David Duke a lifetime achievement award; and Hillary considered this pastor her "mentor and spiritual adviser"; would you give her the pass that you are giving Obama. I doubt you could answer this question honestly, so I'll tell you what would happen: The righteous indignation of Obama and the media would rise up, the demand would be made that Hillary withdraw from the nomination process immediately, and Hillary's political career would be over, period.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

promonorm,

which is also why Hilary should never get the nomination..Because, she's proven she isn't truthworthy. And only lies about OOOOOOOOOHHHHH, everything...

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama's church is not only anti-white, but anti-semitic as well.
Obama has singlehandedly turned the nation back twenty years in regards in race relations. Yes, there is still racist people in America, but wake-up people, they're not all white people. People of any color can be racist. This has been quite evident with the Wright sermon. And yes there is a double-standard in America. Wright's speech was akin to a speech by a KKK Grand Wizard; however, misguided, naive individuals are trying to defend it.
When Obama speaks of change, he means a change from unity to separatism. Obama subtly plays the race card and then attempts to say others are race-baiting. Really look at how his campaign is run, and look at the message and his machinations and duplicity is clearly evident. What is unfair is that Obama uses race to his advantage, but attempts to chill dialogue by his opponents by accusing them of racism when it isn't there.
It is a shame that Obama is manipulating racial tensions to his advantage.
The problem with race relations in America is the prevailing line of thought among "progressives" is relativism and multiculturalism. These individuals like to highlight differences between the races. However, this leads to individuals being seen as part of a particular subgroup rather than as individuals.
Instead of focusing on our differences, we should focus on our similarities as Americans.
Instead of writers talking about what it means to be hispanic, or black, or asian, or white in America, they should talk about the American experience.
What made America so great was that people of different origins came together and despite their different ethnicities, shared a common heritage as Americans.
Yes, there are prejudices and discrimination, but focusing on differences only exacerbates the issue and serves to divide the nation rather than unify it.
These are troubling times we're living in, and the next couple years will be pivotal. We need a leader, someone who has good judgment, and someone who is not merely an opportunist, but someone who passionately wants to serve the American people.
I see none of these qualities in Obama. Obama is not a leader - he refuses to take accountability for his mistakes and is pampered by the media (he is completely inept and ill-prepared to face our faltering economy and security threats). Obama lacks judgment - e.g. Rezko and his membership and tacit support of anti-American sentiments.

Clinton is a true leader who has the ability and the will to make the tough decisions. Some may not vote for HIllary because she is a woman, but I think her experiences as a woman have made her stronger.
The cries for withdrawal are premature. Indeed, some of these biased unprofessional journalists should do some real reporting instead of cheerleading.
Ultimately it is the people who will choose America's policymakers. The Leviathan media should butt out and start doing some fair objective reporting.

America is one nation.

Posted by: Tenebroso | March 28, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

More than half the nation absolutely hate this Hillary witch. When is she going to get a clue that she is so disliked? If she had any honor, whe would have withdrawn long before now.

Posted by: bastanow | March 28, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton needs to begin to prepare her exit from the race... Several sources in her own camp admit that she has virtually no chance of winning the nomination except if she succeeds in finding James Hoffa's body and moving it in Obama's flower garden to put the blame on him.

Since there is little chance for the body to be found, she makes all these negative assertions. The goal seems to be the 2012 election. By putting enough doubts on Obama, Hillary is hoping that he will lose to McCain and that she or Chelsea (who is also an experienced leader after her journey at the White House mansion) will be able to run in 2012. The Clintons might then be able to capitalize again with the rental of the Lincoln Bedroom to big lobbyists.

Whatever happens, since the Judas story with Richardson, we know that Hillary believes in ressurection; she or her husband Bill would be Jesus if I understood correctly the story. So, we can assume that Hillary will not hesitate to play the kamikaze with this election or the next one since she will probably reborn again, as the savior.

Hillary Clinton needs to begin to prepare her exit from the race before she hurts herself or others.

Posted by: Logan6 | March 28, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse


BO should get out.

He and his surrogates needs to stop negative campaigning.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23846166


Really?

Dropping his middle name Hussein often?

Sending pictures of him with ceremonial head dress to imply he is Muslim to the Media

Using Ferraro to say he is only where he is because he is black

If you live in a glass house Hillary, you shouldnt throw stones. One might come back at you and make it all come crashing down.

Posted by: svreaderjr | March 28, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Brian: I would be just as incensed about any church that preached hatred. The fact that you contend other churches preach hate, does not justify the hatred preached at Obama's church. Nice try at deflection, though.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I can guarantee that if Obama is the nominee, I'll vote for McCain.

What kind of an idiot, pardon me, informed voter would make a statement like that? Are you a single issue voter? No registered Democrat or Republican would vote for the other party in the general election unless they were totally clueless about why we even have elections.

But thanks. Your comment spurred me to write this and I get to see my name on the internet.

Posted by: patrick10 | March 28, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Hillary08 -

"He's not muslim as far as I know..."

"Jessie Jackson..."

Should I go on? ANd to use Fixed News headlines is nothing but HYSTERICAL.

Again, if you want a 3rd dubya term, feel free to not vote Dem.

Posted by: seeburgerbuzz | March 28, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse


Yet another unaccomplished Senator hops on the bandwagon of the unaccomplished Senator.

The fact that these flakes get front-page coverage with their "endorsements" just demonstrates how deep The Washington Post is in the tank with the "Goddamn America Club."

Posted by: YouryellowribbonmagnetwontgetyouintoHeavenanymore | March 28, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse


Patrick who? I guess in his family they call it quit down a field goal in the 4th quarter with two touchdowns not counted. What a loser he is.

We need a fighter in the white house, not the quitter.

Posted by: jsindc | March 28, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Imagine Senator Obama had lied (oops! mispoke)about dodging sniper fire on the tarmac, risking life to broker peace in Bosnia. He would have been skewered by the press, especially conservative press and Blue Collar white men.....GEEZZZ!!

Posted by: minco_007 | March 28, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

If HRC could win without the mud slinging she has done it would have been great, but we know she hasn't a change in hell. She did the only thing she knows how to do, because as it has been shown her "35 years of experience" lies strictly in the mind of Hillary.

Her negativity has turned off a lot of voters, and it has nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman. Politics doesn't have to be nasty, but what should we expect from a man who used the White House as his own brothel.

Hillary can stay in or step down, but the longer she stays in the more the American people can see the can of person she truly is.

Posted by: lunastouch | March 28, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Thank God someone has finally had the b*lls to tell Hillary what she doesn't want to hear. Give it up Hillary!!! If you care at ALL about this country, concede and help us defeat Mcbush in november.

Posted by: tampaguy691 | March 28, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Senator Patrick Leahy is wrong.
Senator Patrick Leahy is biased. His comments are out of place.
It shows disrespect, ignorance,
insensitivity, and old plain sexism. This presidential primaries are a closed contest between Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator Barack Obama. This race is not over. Be patient. Is only ten more primaries.Democrats are very excited. Senator Clinton keep moving forward. I support Senator Hillary Clinton. She is the strongest candidate.

Posted by: mmarii | March 28, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Here's a thought:

The republicans are on a quest to vote for Hillary in this primary, which will increase in large numbers now that their candidate is set and nobody has to vote republican in the primary now.

Then they'll all turn around and vote for McCain in the general election, and there we'll be, losing the election to McCain. All because of Rush Limbaugh and whoever thought of this tactic in the first place.

That's not an idle threat, republicans have already been doing it.

THAT is why Hillary should get out of the race NOW.

Posted by: andersonbeth | March 28, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

out in real world america, people really don't care that much about superdelegates and the threats posed by two (gasp!) intelligent candidates still in the running - more than seven months away from the election. they care about issues: the war, the economy, the future. if chatterati could redirect their energies to exploring differences on issues and quit counting delegates, perhaps american democracy could return to the public square!

Posted by: davidarosy1 | March 28, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

out in real world america, people really don't care that much about superdelegates and the threats posed by two (gasp!) intelligent candidates still in the running - more than seven months away from the election. they care about issues: the war, the economy, the future. if chatterati could redirect their energies to exploring differences on issues and quit counting delegates, perhaps american democracy could return to the public square!

Posted by: davidarosy1 | March 28, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

out in real world america, people really don't care that much about superdelegates and the threats posed by two (gasp!) intelligent candidates still in the running - more than seven months away from the election. they care about issues: the war, the economy, the future. if chatterati could redirect their energies to exploring differences on issues and quit counting delegates, perhaps american democracy could return to the public square!

Posted by: davidarosy1 | March 28, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

out in real world america, people really don't care that much about superdelegates and the threats posed by two (gasp!) intelligent candidates still in the running - more than seven months away from the election. they care about issues: the war, the economy, the future. if chatterati could redirect their energies to exploring differences on issues and quit counting delegates, perhaps american democracy could return to the public square!

Posted by: davidarosy1 | March 28, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Hillary08,

You posted all the story where Obama attacked Hilary. I'm curious where are the stories of Hilary attacking Obama, before he even responed or as you say attacked her. Why is it that the whole Democratic National Convention says Hilary has done nothing but Mud Sling and Obama being the bigger man, admits to his wrong doing, and apologizes and then and only then does Hilary follow suit. Why does she have to lie about or over exaggerate every single thing she has ever done. To make herself look crediable? Tell me that much?

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

If HRC could win without the mud slinging she has done it would have been great, but we know she hasn't a change in hell. She did the only thing she knows how to do, because as it has been shown her "35 years of experience" lies strictly in the mind of Hillary.

Her negativity has turned off a lot of voters, and it has nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman. Politics doesn't have to be nasty, but what should we expect from a man who used the White House as his own brothel.

Hillary can stay in or step down, but the longer she stays in the more the American people can see the can of person she truly is.

Posted by: lunastouch | March 28, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

the planner,

"I know that it's hard to imagine that a religious belief could be so race-based, but it's true."

Israel? Wow you are naive. Your lack of awareness is telling. There is a library down the street. And people wonder why the more educated voter votes for Obama.

All religion can be divisive! Plenty Christians treat me as less than them because I do not believe in the Biblical tribal lore of some ancient people in the deserts of Palestine.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

For years, I as an African American, was not welcomed in many churches in America. These were the churches of all of our former Presidents. I wasn't sitting in the pews at those churches, but I can bet you that few of the ministers in those churches preached against the racism and hatred a foot in America. They didn't preach about opening the doors to their church to All. I know. If your skin color was black you would thoroughly understand why Reverend Wright delivered the sermons being shown ad nauseum on cable tv stations. People who spend 6 days each week being revilled, spat upon, discriminated against, and treated like second class citizens need and deserve a place to find comfort and solace in order to face another week of the same demeaning treatment. You high-minded folks who so quickly want to damn Reverend Wright and by association Senator Obama should walk a mile in my shoes. I remember being denied restaurant privileges; I remember being told by the Admissions Officer at my alma mater that I shouldn't consider going to a predominately white state institution; and on and on. That has not been so long ago. Now, many who enter comments on this site, either are too young to remember or out of guilt wish to forget. I am neither too young not have I forgotten. But I am ready and prepared to forgive and that is a central part of Senator Obama's message. The past is what it was; we have, thankfully, progressed beyond the hateful past; and we need to join hands so that together we can face the tremendous obstacles and hurdles befronting our nation. Examine your heart; read your history; and open your mind to who others feel and from whence others come.

Posted by: stedman7775 | March 28, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

SVreader -

So, how do you explain it when Obama comes out with policies beofre HC? To that end, THEY ARE DEM'S... Their platforms will be strikingly similar.

What is important, one would think,is if the person can inspire people to buy into them. My money is with the guy who is not see as a bit of a fibber and one with very high negatives.

Posted by: seeburgerbuzz | March 28, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Hallelujah. If Leahy's call is heeded, as it should be, we'll have a competence the WH. If not, more of the same, whether McCain or HRC.

Posted by: ndhayes | March 28, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama associated with Zwibigneg Brezinski ought to teach and Gary Hart, former Senator. On wrote 'the book' and the other wrote the Patriot Act 1.5 years before it was acted-upon. Now folks, these both are winners for the CFR, the North American Union, Fascism and Command and Control. So why, I ask would you think of Obama as a somewhat saviour. I do ask why You would promote something against You. My prayer to you is that you, do not expect change viewed through a critical eye.

Republic Broadcasting dot org is a place of truth. Personally, I like that! Do you? Have I said anything maybe true? Let's see! theradioavenger rbn

Posted by: abroadventure | March 28, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Hilary should continue. A candidate who remains a church member when anti-semitic remarks are published in the church bulletin is not qualified to be president. Obama did not say anything. Not saying anything matters. I was for Obamma before but now I look at him with disdain. The Super Delegate system was put in place to prevent a candidate from getting a nomination when character flaws come out after the primaries. The electoral college was set up for the same reason.

Posted by: promonorm | March 28, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Svreader is more than likely an angry semite, I have seen him post on Jewish topics as well slandering Obama to anyone who would listen. If you watch where he posts, he just jumps from topic to topic spewing hate and venom generally cutting and pasting as he goes.

He keeps bringing up Rezko, how about we bring up some names in Hillarys past.

How about oh lets just say Jorge Cabrera? How about him....hmmm?

She took 20k in donations from someone who helped import 6,000 lbs of cocaine into America. "The probers reportedly learned
that Cabrera cut a $20,000 check
to the DNC from a bank account in
which he also kept profits from
his lucrative cocaine trade."

She is my ROLE MODEL!!!

From now I will keep dropping this guys name until it is irrelevant.

Posted by: svreaderjr | March 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

the planner,

"I know that it's hard to imagine that a religious belief could be so race-based, but it's true."

Israel? Wow you are naive. Your lack of awareness is telling. There is a library down the street. And people wonder why the more educated voter votes for Obama.

All religion can be divisive! Plenty Christians treat me as less than them because I do not believe in the Biblical tribal lore of some ancient people in the deserts of Palestine.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

etpietro:

What did he lie about?

Posted by: JakeD | March 28, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Hillary , you are the only hope left in this election. Stay in adn win. I am banking on you for universal helath care and bringing back the hopeful times of the 90's.

Posted by: dsclinton | March 28, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

"If you had two men of the same race competing in this close of an election, would one of them be called on to quit? Would he be subject to this kind of media and political pressure?

Posted by: dc210"

YES. It's Hillary's right to stay in the race, and I expect she will. Leahy is also entitled to suggest she withdraw. Politics is politics.

Niether candidate expects to win enough delegates by the end of the primaries but it's all-to-likely that the leader in the delegate count, the popular vote, and the number of states at that time will be Obama, and even if the superdelegates are split evenly at that point, Obama would be the victor.

It really is close to over. Hillary's waiting for a meteor to strike Obama, or a defeat that gives her an honorable exit. Leaving at this point wouldn't be acceptable to her or her supporters even if it's all over but the singing.

Barring a sudden meteor that is.

Posted by: max | March 28, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I remain firm in my conviction that the Democrats lost this race the day John Edwards withdrew. I am some lingering optimism in Ms. Clinton, but I am willing to bet $1000 the Mr. Obama will not be the next president. Any takers?

Posted by: josiahSchmoe | March 28, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Thank You Senator Leahy, for offering some sanity to the Clinton campaign; and some common sense to the Democratic Party as a whole.

I am not surprised to see some of the comments already posted by the same adament personality type people that easily Hillary's. - I am way beyond ready for a woman President (and have been for years), but Hillary Clinton is not that woman. Her 'record' clearly depicts firm beliefs that she is: above the law; non-caring (and that's being kind) toward the middle and lower classes, the Armed Forces, and people in general; a legend in her own mind; a chronic liar and exagerator; and a given/proven failure in regards to ethics and leadership.

For those that are supporting her mainly/only because she is a woman seem to be blinded by that alone, and can not see the setbacks she makes for women. Margaret Thatcher and many other world leaders, U.S. Senators, Governors, etc. never played the 'woe is me I am woman' card (as Hillary pulls out as often as a salesperson does their business-cards), and each of this is admired and RESPECTED by their peers and other world leaders... Something that Hillary can not ever begin to achieve or understand.

She is a divider, not a uniter (in any sense of the word); an antagonizer that turns and runs (by ignoring) when she's caught. - With a world environment (including the U.S. internal issues and concerns) that demands unity, how can the limited in scope or values Hillary even think of just buying the White House?

Thank You,

Posted by: knarf20032003 | March 28, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

What a lot of you don't seem to realize. NEW FLASH for the slow who still thinks Hilary has a chance. She doesn't! And let me tell you why.

First off, Democrats all remember when George Bush stole the election in 2000, although he didn't win the popular vote. And who's in control of that by 700,000+ votes. BARACK OBAMA! If we reward Billary the nomination. Our whole party would be hypocrits. Superdelegates are not going to go her why, because of that reason.

Secondly, With all the negative press Billary is getting, do you really think she is the more "ELECTABLE", candidate for the Democratic party. No! 30% Of her Key supporters see her as dishonest now. So if she's losing the demographic that has backed her through these elections. Who's going to put her in the white house?

And finally, Republicans won't put another Clinton in the white house. This is a fact! They'll put an Obama, hell they would put Fidel Castro in office before they let Billary take the white house again.

Wake up Hilary(didn't say billary this time), and Hilary supporters, it's over for her. She's only hurting the Democratic party by staying in the race. She's basically doing an "If I can't have it, no one came" so childish for a 60 year old woman.

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

What a lot of you don't seem to realize. NEW FLASH for the slow who still thinks Hilary has a chance. She doesn't! And let me tell you why.

First off, Democrats all remember when George Bush stole the election in 2000, although he didn't win the popular vote. And who's in control of that by 700,000+ votes. BARACK OBAMA! If we reward Billary the nomination. Our whole party would be hypocrits. Superdelegates are not going to go her why, because of that reason.

Secondly, With all the negative press Billary is getting, do you really think she is the more "ELECTABLE", candidate for the Democratic party. No! 30% Of her Key supporters see her as dishonest now. So if she's losing the demographic that has backed her through these elections. Who's going to put her in the white house?

And finally, Republicans won't put another Clinton in the white house. This is a fact! They'll put an Obama, hell they would put Fidel Castro in office before they let Billary take the white house again.

Wake up Hilary(didn't say billary this time), and Hilary supporters, it's over for her. She's only hurting the Democratic party by staying in the race. She's basically doing an "If I can't have it, no one came" so childish for a 60 year old woman.

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

How much experience did Hillary need to vote to authorize the war?

Posted by: gmundenat | March 28, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

The voice of the people has clearly come out against Hillary. Any man would have quit the race by now, but I guess you give a woman an inch and she takes a mile, just like Hillary is doing.

Posted by: bastanow | March 28, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

The voters in PA,IN,NC,WV and the remaining states should decide when the Democratic Primary is over, not Mr Leahy or any other elected official. The voters in FL and MI should also have a say. Since when did Democratic Party rules superceed the constitutional right to vote?? This is the US, In the spirit of the Obama campaign, the audacity to hope and "YES WE CAN", I am sure we can figure out a way to hold a second primary. Of course Obama prefers a caucus, every white American feels pressured to be standing on the "right" side of the room or risk being viewed as a racist. I personally believe the right to cast your vote privately. According to everything I have read, neither candidate will reach the majic number, so why is it that Hillary should drop out. As a democrat myself, I am pretty disillusioned by both democratic canidates at this point. After all the US has been through the past years, to believe that both canidates are polling within 7 points of MaCain is pretty telling.

Posted by: johnwebb | March 28, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Fact of the matter is OBAMA STARTED THE FIGHTING AND PERSISTED IN IT WAY BACK IN 07. Obama is a sleaze and so is his racist pastor! Hillary wanted nothing to do with Obama's sleazy attacks and his preacher's racism. I am voting NADER if Obama wins the nomination.

Hillary Clinton deflects rivals' attacks
By Toby Harnden in Washington
Jan 10,2007

Attacks could tarnish Obama's 'hope' theme
DesMoinesRegister.com
Jul 27, 2007

Obama Tries to Peel Away Clinton Backers
The Associated Press
Wednesday, July 18, 2007
Obama's criticisms of the two-term senator and former first lady have been regular,

Clinton Smiles Through Obama, Edwards Attacks
ABC News
Aug 8, 2007

Obama Sharpens Attack on Clinton
ABC News
Aug 15, 2007

Obama and Edwards Step Up Attacks on Front-Runner Clinton
Washington Post
Sunday, August 26, 2007

Barack Obama Shows Off Newly Sharpened Elbows Against Democratic Frontrunner Hillary Clinton
FOX News
Monday, October 15, 2007

Barack Obama Steps Up Attacks on Hillary Clinton
FOX News
Sunday, October 28, 2007

Clinton Charges Through Iowa, Bill Clinton Likens Attacks on Hillary to 'Swift Boat' Ads
FOX News
Wednesday, November 07, 2007

Obama attacks Clinton
PressDisplay.com
Nov 18, 2007

Posted by: Hillary08 | March 28, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

What a lot of you don't seem to realize. NEW FLASH for the slow who still thinks Hilary has a chance. She doesn't! And let me tell you why.

First off, Democrats all remember when George Bush stole the election in 2000, although he didn't win the popular vote. And who's in control of that by 700,000+ votes. BARACK OBAMA! If we reward Billary the nomination. Our whole party would be hypocrits. Superdelegates are not going to go her why, because of that reason.

Secondly, With all the negative press Billary is getting, do you really think she is the more "ELECTABLE", candidate for the Democratic party. No! 30% Of her Key supporters see her as dishonest now. So if she's losing the demographic that has backed her through these elections. Who's going to put her in the white house?

And finally, Republicans won't put another Clinton in the white house. This is a fact! They'll put an Obama, hell they would put Fidel Castro in office before they let Billary take the white house again.

Wake up Hilary(didn't say billary this time), and Hilary supporters, it's over for her. She's only hurting the Democratic party by staying in the race. She's basically doing an "If I can't have it, no one came" so childish for a 60 year old woman.

Posted by: terry.santiago | March 28, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse


BO should get out.

He and his surrogates needs to stop negative campaigning.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23846166

Posted by: VoterfromIL | March 28, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

As an independent I can tell you that John McCain is looking better every day this goes on. For me the decision comes down to the character of the candidates. Right now, Hillary is looking less and less like a leader and more like a spin doctor who is trying to make herself look better by making her opponent look bad. This is not the mark of a great leader. She really looks like a representative of the old partisan politics that have so paralyzed our government over the last 8 years. In contrast, Obama has looked Presidential by managing crisis and keeping his cool. However, Hillary's continuous attacks are beginning to erode some of the good will Obama had earlier this year. If she continues in her campaign she will hand John McCain the presidency and the Democratic party will look weaker and less relevant than ever! Hillary needs to go!

Posted by: JSGRIFFIN65 | March 28, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

How much intelligence did Hillary need to vote to authorize the war?

Posted by: gmundenat | March 28, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

seeburger --

Read the article.

Barry's great at copying other people's homework.

He's top notch at taking credit for other people's work.

He's just not any good at doing any of his own.

He's not Presidential material, but he could play one on television.

Posted by: svreader | March 28, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Jesus SCOTTINMD, are you still on this. Actually, the reason for my brief posts is that I am working against a deadline so I don't have much time.
1.) I was not assuming you were a dem. My semi-short handed writing must have made that unclear. Apologies. I was simply noting that I am not a Dem.
2.)Numerous presidents and other high ranking officials have been elected to office despite either personal or economic ties to persons known to have made highly inflammatory statements. Check controversies on our current presidents associations if you want the background info.
3.) The reason many liberal white politicians have not distanced themselves is that they tend to be highly educated. Most persons who are highly educated were actually not surprised by Wright's statements. They are well aware of the undercurrent of anger among many in the black population that goes unspoken in the mainstream. Further, they tend to recognize the complexities of these issues and do not view the resolution as a black and white decision on whether to up and abandon Obama's candidacy. Particularly, since he did what few are willing to do and stated in front of the country what those highly educated supporters already know. Anger in the black community like that expressed by Wright is not the exception but the norm. However, unfortunate it is that people express their anger that way, those are the facts.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Keep diggin that hole, Dems.

Not counting votes in two key electoral states, dirty politics and intimidation, now calling for a candidate to drop out and short circuit the established and approved primary process (cutting out another few key swing states, in case you were wondering)

President McCain thanks you for your support.

A stunning lack of media coverage today, by the way, about Senator Obama's lies -- excuse me, "misstatements" -- on The View.

Posted by: etpietro | March 28, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and now we have the FOOLISH big state arguement...

Cause ya know, Obama would never win Ca or NY, etc.

Lord!!!!

Posted by: seeburgerbuzz | March 28, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Leahy should advise Obama to get out of the race.

He has brought som much negative campaigning to this primary.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23846166

Posted by: VoterfromIL | March 28, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

LorenzoPilla: Actually, I would vote for McCain before I would even consider Obama. As a former Marine, he has earned much more respect from me than Obama ever will even though I don't agree with one thing he says. That bond created by individuals who served in the military means more to me than skin-color!! I think Obama is a decent guy, in his own way, but not the one I want to see as our next President. Give me an Al Sharpton or a Jesse Jackson anyday!

Posted by: slpooler2002 | March 28, 2008 03:54 PM

So your point is, given all the candidates in the race both on the DNC and GOP side, your plans are and always have been to vote for McCain because the two of you are fellow soldiers...correct? So what's your point, why are you blogging on this site...doesn't seem like you have a dog in this fight, so go away...

Posted by: Beingsensible | March 28, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

As the Democratic Chairwoman in Mo. said (correctly), it's not Republicans or Democrats who win elections...it's Independents. Hillary can't get the Independent vote, which is why they are barred from voting in states like Florida. Whoever, gets the Independent vote will be the next President...and those voters don't like either McCain or Hillary....(since both are essentailly the same).

Posted by: wmboyd | March 28, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I think Mrs. Clinton should continue to stay in the race. I may not agree with her but she is a very competent woman. She is far more intelligent than Obama. Obama talks like a country preacher but is there substance in all that speech? Hillary.... continue with your pursuits of the White House.

Posted by: rmoonin | March 28, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

That Obama is still in the race is an abomination! After all that has been revealed, he should just slink away. The maniac who are supporting him will also support him after he has a rape or murder conviction. razy nuts are going to run this country to the swamp

Posted by: dsclinton | March 28, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

This will go to the convention, and it will be uglier than anyone is even postulating. Hillary could care less about the party if she must step aside for it. She does not want to return to the senate amongst those who rejected her. This is it. I hope Obama is quietly lining up lawyers, dozens of them, for Denver.

Posted by: gmundenat | March 28, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

""Obama is all talk and no substance.""

So, since his platform and Hillary's are just about exactly the same, does that mean Hillary has no substance, either?

Sheeeeesh!!!!

Posted by: seeburgerbuzz | March 28, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Interesting note: I supported Jesse Jackson's run for the Presidency, because I KNOW JJ is not a racist, nor does he have any head trips about his race, unlike the former coke-snorting/pusher Obama, and if, for example, Sen. Charles Rangel of New York, who supports Hillary, were to run for the Dem. candidacy for President, and made it, and didn't have any skeletons in the closet, I would have no problem whatsoever supporting him for President, given his long public service record.

BUT OBAMA? OH PUHLEEZE! THAT FAKE HASN'T DONE ONE DAMN THING TO BE QUALIFIED TO BE IN CHARGE OF THE WORLD'S ONLY SUPERPOWER, HELL, HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW THAT THERE IS NO "PRESIDENT" OF CANADA! GET THAT MAN OUT OF MY SIGHT, PLEASE!

Posted by: farfalle44 | March 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Can the Dems be saved from their own constituency? In all fairness, this race was over before Texas and Ohio. I like Hillary and would have no problem supporting her if the math benefitted her but it doesn't. It will go to Obama regardless. Do the math! Anyone who says they will vote for McCain if one or the other loses is an idiot. I could see why their would be ire directed towards Obama if he was in the opposite position and holding out for some miracle - the press would have buried him if the positions were switched - but for Hillary supporters to feel cheated is silly. She's been dead for some time and is grasping desperately at anything to seem like she is still in this. Do the math! If she is waiting for Obama to implode, which is very unlikely, she should take the high road. If she withdraws and some meteoric event sinks Obama, the Dems will gladly change things by the convention and take her and she will look all the better. If the obvious prevails and Obama wins after all and she continues to hold on and drag down the party, she will be the villain.

Posted by: diebrucke | March 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

What's worse lying about being under sniper fire to boost your lack of experience or knowing wackos or people who've said dumb things? They speak for themselves.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

ajackson3: As I said in an earlier post, it is not very difficult to verify the connection between the racist black liberation theology and Rev. Wright's teachings. Just Google Jeremiah Wright and James Cone (who is one of the architects of black liberation theology). You will see the definite connection. Then, look into the writings of James Cone, himself, describing their philosophy. Many of the quotes I gave are directly from his book entitled "Black Theology and Black Power." I know that it's hard to imagine that a religious belief could be so race-based, but it's true.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY, GO! STOP THE SHENANIGANS NOW! AMERICA CAN'T HANDLE A POSSIBLE 28 YEARS OF FAMILY DYNASTIES. WE NEED DRAMATIC CHANGE AND NEITHER YOU NOR MCCAIN CAN DELIVER IT. PLEASE LEAVE THE RACE WHILE YOU STILL HAVE A TINGE OF INTEGRITY LEFT!

Posted by: smw54 | March 28, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

One thing I don't understand is why nobody is using Hillary's own argument against her. She's been carrying on about how superdelegates should vote in accordance with their own judgement as to who would be the best candidate/president and what would be best for the party. Fine. But I hear an awful lot of talk about how devastating it could be for the party- not to mention the outcome of the presidential election- if the will of the voters is overturned. That in itself seems to be an argument against Hillary. If it's really such a bad thing for the superdelegates to overturn the will of the people, then their independent judgement as to what's best for the party should reflect that.

Posted by: nepters | March 28, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

This is democracy not a popularity contest! More than one-fifth of voters have not voted yet (or haven't had their votes count yet). While it is accurate the odds are long for Hillary, Barack has clearly not sealed the deal. He has won fewer contests, fewer pledged delegates, and fewer big (important) states than any potential nominee in History. So why is it that Hillary should drop out? This is not a coronation. If Barack can't win elections and seal the deal then the answer isn't to force any serious competition out of the race. I can't believe this is the Democratic Party. I can't. We want to openly throw elections by suggesting there should be no competition. We don't want to count everyone's vote because of rules that were crazy in the first place. We think that the poor and less educated voters should be less taken seriously. That is what's going on here and it is disgusting. If this is how the race turns out I, and I'm guessing quite a few others (millions) will not be Democrats in November, and maybe ever! This is not a campaign of hope, but bullying, and fascism...and after eight years of it I've had enough. I don't love McCain, but he is a principled man. Barack and his supporters however are willing to sell the democratic process short just to win. Judgment does matter, as Barack likes to say, and this is disturbingly awful judgment.

Posted by: brain2020 | March 28, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

""That is nothing less than an attempt to corrupt the political process - also known as trying to change the rules of a game when the game is already in process""


Would this be like trying to get pledged delegates to switch their vote???

Or... Like trying to count FL and MI, s is, when one agreed they wouldn't count???

Posted by: seeburgerbuzz | March 28, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Senator Leahy! It's about time for the democratic leadership to step up and control the selfish and power hungry Billary!

I am a 68 year old, white, working female. I voted for Bill Clinton (I am now ashamed of that decision).

Billary's political behavior has brought Cheney-Bush tactics to the Democratic primaries. She has demonstrated that she cannot control her campaign, her husband's political behavior, or her own words. She does not take responsibility for her actions or her surrogates! Of course, as her daughter said, it's probably "none of our business." If Hillary can't control these areas of her campaign, she is not qualified to run the country? There is no reason a woman cannot be president, just not this unqualified woman!

I, as well as many Americans, are sick of the behaviors, tactics and pain the Clintons have inflicted on us for so many years.

Please stop them NOW. Let us move forward.

Posted by: klebbaj | March 28, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe the issue is so much that she should drop out of the race as it is that she needs to tone down the rhetoric. She's all over the place (I guess one would call it the kitchen sink strategy). Up until the South Carolina race, I was truly on the fence about which candidate I would vote for, but thank God I chose Obama because I would truly be upset after having voted for her and then her acting like a complete fool. This win at all cost attitude of hers is really pathetic; even by 14 year old daughter describes it as "she's just being a girl"; what does that say about the image of women in this country. Basically what she means is that Hill is allowing her emotions to take control of her senses and it's ugly, just plain old ugly. Let her stay in the race til the end, but stop the cat fighting; the DNC deserves better than that. What an ugly scar on a historical race that started out so beautifully.

And about this issue that Obama is trying to disenfranchise the MI and FL voters. Hillary signed off on the same document that Obama and each of the other candidates to not campaign in MI and FL. It wasn't Obama, but the DNC that decided that the delegates for those states would not be seated. If Hillary was leading in the race at this point, she wouldn't have a care in the world for those voters. Obama agreed to caucuses in both states, but Hillary wouldn't agree to that because she thought caucuses would favor Obama unfairly. One of her supporters on this blog even stated this saying that "his suporters have all but mastered this format and it does leave out millions of voters." So what is she really looking for, the opportunity for the voters of MI and FL to count, or a contest that will favor her? What she really wants is to have her cake and to eat it too. The Clintons, now I see why the GOP dogged Bill his entire 8 years in office; they are such scutterbag politicians. These eyes have been opened.

Posted by: Beingsensible | March 28, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama is all talk and no substance.

Everyone interested in the Presidential election should read this article.

Its from a Chicago reporter who's known Obama since the beginning of his career and has followed Obama's career ever since then.

The take-home message is that Obama is a manufactured product of the chicago politicial machine.

It tells about him stealing credit for bills he never worked when he was in Chicago, just like he did in Washington.

It talks about "Obama's Slums" and fact that Barry didn't care one bit about the people who elected him.

Its about the fact that Chicago Barry Obama is the one of the most clever con-men in the world and the biggest fraud that's been put over on the American public since Bush.

Its filled with facts about Obama from someone who has known him for years.

The title's cute. Obama isn't. He's a fraud.

http://news.houstonpress.com/2008-02-28/news/barack-obama-screamed-at-me/

Posted by: svreader | March 28, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Is the theology of Rev. Wright worse than Zionism (remember they're the chosen people and you are nobody), the anti-semitic rants of Billy Graham (Best friend to Presidents), or the insane claim of the religious right. I don't believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, so I'm an unclean sinner that will burn in hell...its all hateful and divisive...think about it and listen to what the candidates are saying themselves.

I've known, been related to, and friends with all kinds of wackos, even enjoyed some goods times with them...how 'bout you? If not, you must have lived avery boring life.

Get off your high horse and join the change train its leavin the station.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

To LorenzoPilla: Actually, I would vote for McCain before I would even consider Obama. As a former Marine, he has earned much more respect from me than Obama ever will even though I don't agree with one thing he says. That bond created by individuals who served in the military means more to me than skin-color!! I think Obama is a decent guy, in his own way, but not the one I want to see as our next President. Give me an Al Sharpton or a Jesse Jackson anyday!

Posted by: slpooler2002 | March 28, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, wgmadden, for the most sensible and unhysterical post of this forum.

And, thelru2004, if you're a woman, I'm Queen Elizabeth. But, don't worry, keep saving for that sex change. You'll achieve your higher purpose someday.

Posted by: citizenjane | March 28, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Also, if we rely on the Media tell us how close the race is. we are fooling ourselves. It's in the best interest of all media outlets that the Dem Nomination plays out till June. they have seen a rating and reader ship boom they never would have seen with out this historical race. so they definetly don't want it to end. because then they have to do umm real work! not report on made up stories abotu bosnia or a kook pastor in chicago.

Posted by: koolkrez | March 28, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

In proofing the previous post, please know:

Better Yet try www republicbroadcasting.org

theradioavenger said this

Posted by: abroadventure | March 28, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Stedman STOOOPID, YOU DON'T GET IT, DO YOU? It's not that the preacher says something you disagree with; it's a preacherman WHO SPOUTS FILTHY, RACIST GARBAGE LIKE, "NATALIE HOLLOWAY, WHITE GIRL WHO WENT TO ARUBA AND GOT HERSELF RAPED" "UNITED STATES OF WHITE AMERICA"-UH, I don't EVEN think you've EVER been to a church, much less sat there FOR TWENTY YEARS AND GIVEN TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS AND HAD YOUR CHILDREN BAPTIZED in a place of worship, no less, where the filthy racist would utter such blasphemy on a Sunday morning, and those are just two, of the many filthy racist things that man Rev. Wright has said, and Obama, in all his passiveness, felt was not disagreeable enough to leave that church, now did he?

Sheesh! Talk about comparing apples and oranges, always looking for an excuse to excuse the inexcusable with Obama, now aren't you?

Posted by: farfalle44 | March 28, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Leahy is right. And now we know why Dean has been so silent.

Howard ... how about some leadership?
EEEEEEEEEEEYAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWHHHH!

Posted by: davequ | March 28, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Can you imagine if Hillary could win the nod. That footage of her under attack in Bosnia would be drilled into every person's psyche, like commercial jingles were in the 1950s.

You'll wonder where your sanity went, when you vote for Hil, hiding in a tent!!

Posted by: queenskid | March 28, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Can you imagine if Hillary could win the nod. That footage of her under attack in Bosnia would be drilled into every person's psyche, like commercial jingles were in the 1950s.

You'll wonder where your sanity went, when you vote for Hil, hiding in a tent!!

Posted by: queenskid | March 28, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't care who ever endorses Obama. Even Al Gore, but, hell, I do not want to give my vote for somebody who let other people (no matter how close he/she to you) to say: "God damn America"! Our heroes died for the glory of this country. And look, Obama let his pastor damning our country! Obama can look for other country with the people who will vote for him. Not in this country, AND FOR SURE, NOT WITH MY VOTE. I FEEL LIKE I BETRAY THIS NATION IF I HAVE TO VOTE FOR HIM. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!!

Posted by: gvz335 | March 28, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

well then, wilsonmg_2000, i guess you're not as insightful or genius as you think because in responding to my post about the "silly" comments that "Dems" make you also missed the boat...I'm not a democrat either. so, i guess you also assumed and made a proverbial "a" of yourself as well. and if you want to debate facts, then you provide me with "facts" that a white candidate would get the same kind of pass as obama if he was so closesly associated with a racist like obama is to wright. just because you may not like the theory does not mean there's no merit to it. after all, you're opinion must not being any more important than the rest of us mere mortals posting on here.

furthermore, many political careers have ended on far less controversial comments than the one's made by obama's close, long-time friend and "uncle". thats the main point above, genius. that, and that many of these "loyal" democratic politicians who support obama would have long distanced themselves from a white politician at the hint of any racial scandal. those, genius, are valid thoughts and worthy of debate, even for people with apparently little to offer like you. (i mean, let's face it, you've just tried to rip off one liners about other people's posts. if you want a serious debate that's worthy of your "intellect", then perhaps you should get the ball rolling yourself. otherwise, don't claim to be above everything just because you sit on the sidelines trying to take shots at other posters who are actually willing to say whats on their mind.)

finally, i'll dumb down the last point above that you also failed to grasp--so much of the support for obama by the media, politicians, and many white americans is white guilt. they don't want to appear racist. if they say anything negative or unsupportive then that might be perceived as racist. why do you think these stories about obama are just now trickling out of the media? we live in an age when nothing is a secret for more than 12 minutes. so, its your problem if you have your own personal issues with a post concluding that a white voting for a white is not racist. but that doesn't mean that it lacks substance. actually, the only thing that i can tell on here that lacks substance is you.

Posted by: scottinmd | March 28, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

smc --

Hillary Clinton would be a great President.

I don't fall in love with any politician.

You shouldn't either.

Especially Barry Obama.

He proved in Chicago that he doesn't keep his voters warm at night.

Posted by: svreader | March 28, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

POLITICAL MACHINE POLITICS - That is what is emerging here. Look at what the old cronies are demanding - Hillary Drop Out, Superdelegated Declare who you will vote for NOW! Somebody show me where these demands are part of legitimate political party conduct. Is it in the Democratic Party rules that superdelgates must declare their intentions before they actually vote? If not then what it happening is nothing more than Obama supporters trying to manipulate the party. That is nothing less than an attempt to corrupt the political process - also known as trying to change the rules of a game when the game is already in process. That smells of the sort of corruption that DNP leaders have been accusing the GOP of during the elections. Any DNP member who goes along with these demands is nothing more than a worthless pawn of the 'old boys' trying to manipulate the system to their liking.

Posted by: AmzgGrce | March 28, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

My goodness "Why can't we just get along" said a victim in California so now I say, "Why can't You just get along". My memory is already burdened knowing that powers-that-be affected effective change by not promoting the ONLY candidate that espouses the words United States Constitution in every other breath. A true message of LIBERTY & FREEDOM. May God Bless America in One's eyes.

I Honor many of You now!

My goodness, We as a unit of freedom and liberty know who the Congressman is. Should the UNIT be prepared against "Domestic Enemies" just know that your honor is recognized, if only in thought.

The UNIT, the Pledge, the Honor and Integrity blended with Decency. email me: confidentialsources@y

Posted by: abroadventure | March 28, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Whoever would have thought that Hillary's best friend would be Rush Limbaugh? See exit, open door, walk through, close door. And don't come back.

Posted by: gmundenat | March 28, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Who cares at this point?! We Dems have blown this opportunity to take the WH after the awful 8 yrs of Bush by fielding two unelectable candidates. McCain is the luckiest presidential candidate in American history - he's not Bush (though he may sound like him at times), he has 8 months to run an general election campaign, and we Dems have self-destructed by acting as if we're running against Bush when we're not.

Oh how have we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. I really wonder sometimes if we Dems really want to govern this country or just be the loyal opposition, checking bad policies here, declaring legislative victory there.....

Posted by: CntrvilleCitoyen | March 28, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone here know how often Pastor W said such things? What if those particular whacky comments only came out those few times we've seen them?

So, if he only said that stuff a few times over, 30 years...

To that end, if you want to base your vote on what this guy said and not what Obama has said and demonstrated, then feel free to vote for a third term of dubya.

Posted by: seeburgerbuzz | March 28, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm with Leahy with a twist. Time for Obama to bow out gracefully. We all know he won't win the general.

Posted by: streff | March 28, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

stedman, I suspect a number of these people are not actually hillary supporters. In fact one (svreader) I believe is regularly on these things just to spout anti-Obama crap. Again, I have no problem with people who prefer one candidate over the other, but brow beating Hillary or Obama supporters with lies, half-truths, and illogical nonsense gets none of us (i mean americans) anywhere.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Clinton has momentum and the support of patriotic american. Go Hillary. Obama is toast. He looks like one

Posted by: dsclinton | March 28, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Clinton has momentum and the support of patriotic american. Go Hillary. Obama is toast. He looks like one

Posted by: dsclinton | March 28, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I agree with those who say, "chill out" to both camps. You know you will not vote for McCain in November so quit with the threats already. Hillary needs to stay in for now if only so that everyone can be satisfied this has been a fair contest. I support Obama because I've been impressed with his management of this campaign. Meanwhile, I've been very turned off by the Clingons' divisiveness. Still, let's wait until after Pa, Ia, and NC. CHILL, I SAY. CHILL!

Posted by: LorenzoPilla | March 28, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Divante or what ever the heck your name is. Don't post here no more. Your words are offensive. If you have guts, you can come meet me in Arlington and we can discuss your words face-to-face. Not the best way to settle things but every now and then a punk needs to know he is a punk.

Posted by: ajackson3 | March 28, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I agree with those who say, "chill out" to both camps. You know you will not vote for McCain in November so quit with the threats already. Hillary needs to stay in for now if only so that everyone can be satisfied this has been a fair contest. I support Obama because I've been impressed with his management of this campaign. Meanwhile, I've been very turned off by the Clingons' divisiveness. Still, let's wait until after Pa, Ia, and NC. CHILL, I SAY. CHILL!

Posted by: LorenzoPilla | March 28, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I agree with those who say, "chill out" to both camps. You know you will not vote for McCain in November so quit with the threats already. Hillary needs to stay in for now if only so that everyone can be satisfied this has been a fair contest. I support Obama because I've been impressed with his management of this campaign. Meanwhile, I've been very turned off by the Clingons' divisiveness. Still, let's wait until after Pa, Ia, and NC. CHILL, I SAY. CHILL!

Posted by: LorenzoPilla | March 28, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

To All Clinton supporter. IT IS MATHIMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR HER TO OVER COME OBAMA IN PLEDGE DELAGATS. THEREFORE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR HER TO WIN THE NOMINATION WITH OUT TEARING THE PARTY APART!! She would have to rely on the superdelagates to tell states like Maryland, Virgina, Oregon, Washington, Connecticut. that they don't count. listen it woulnd't be the first time that a nominee was elected before other states had a chance to vote. I really wish all you clinton supporters not be so emotionally invested. and do the research to come to an obvious conclusion. If you want a Demorcrat to win the white house. Then her droppingout after PA or if she looses in North Carolina would be the best course of action. And the best thing for the party.

Posted by: koolkrez | March 28, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I am a Hillary supporter and I am tired of reading about people who don't support Hillary. Don't they know that they do not matter? The only support that matters is the support for Hillary Clinton. It does not matter that Obama has more delegates, states won, popular vote, and has even raised more money from ordinary Americans. At the end of the day Hillary is going to win because the only people who matter are those who support Hillary. Hillary might be at second place when all the voters are considered, but if you only count Hillary supporters, Hillary is #1. This is why Hillary is going to win the general election. For the general election we are only going to count those who support Hillary.

Posted by: BethesdaMD | March 28, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Let the race go on until the obese lady sings.

I have always wanted to support Sen Leahy but have decided that he is really just a do nothing member of this do- nothing Democratic Congress. And Republican.

There Congresspeople should just go quietly into the night. Such a shame.

Posted by: brob329 | March 28, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Seeburgerbuzz--Better revise that 65% upwrard, as here in NC, Obama is way, way up in all the polls. Hillary was in Fayetteville (military town) the other day.--Can anyone say Dukakis in a tank?

Posted by: gmundenat | March 28, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

svreader wrote:

Its a very bad idea to fall in love with a politician.

They'll break your heart every time.
----------------------------------
You appear to love the Clintons, though. Have they broken your heart yet?

Posted by: smc91 | March 28, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

And THEN on to the main event!

OBAMA vs. MCCAIN

Oh I can't wait till this match up...Obama will be in top form. McCain can pretend to be Forman, but Obama will be Ali. Them Republicans better get prepared to be rope-a-doped. Some of the younger folks (I was just a boy at the time) may not know what that is, but they will find out. Go ahead with you full court, come out swingin tactics. Obama's all about strategy baby!

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

theplanner, how many time are you going to repeat that post? Further, why don't you offer us some background in terms of citations for this information?

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is in this race for no-one but Hillary. The party be damned; the nation be damned. She will take the party down with her before she leaves the race.

Posted by: 090600g | March 28, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are in denial.

They just don't "get it"

The fact that Obama allied himself with someone who spouts anti-white, anti-semitic, and anti-American rhetoric is a "deal breaker"

Its the number #1 topic of water cooler conversation around the country.

Most "Typical White People" had no idea that stuff like this has been going on.

People are really, really, angry about it.

Obama's supporters try to spin it into being about a single sermon.

Its not.

Its about a 20 year relationship.

Its about Obama choosing Wright to be his "Spritual Advisor"

It's about Obama's lies.

Its about Obama talking out of"both sides of his mouth.

Obama presented himself as a paragon of virtue and someone on a higher ethical plane than other candidates.

He's repeatedly shown through his actions that he isn't.

He's like a human chameleon.

He turns into a completely different person depending on what group of people he's with.

He's lied to us and fooled us over and over.

America doesn't trust him anymore.

He's toast.

He deserves to be.

Posted by: svreader | March 28, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I am an Obama supporter.However, i think that for the moment, it is healthier to let the race be won than just Hillary dropping out.
I believe Barack Obama will do much better than expected in Pennsylvania, and yes that includes also pull out a victory there.
And even if it is not the case, NC and Indiana will seal the deal i beleive, and most of Clinton's backers will be more inclined to make peace as they will understand that thery are not the majority they think they are

Posted by: dealzplanet | March 28, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

You Hillary supporters are such racists. I can't believe that you would ever think that Senator Obama, no more than you, would be responsible for the utterances coming out of your pastor's mouth, assuming that you even go to church. I've gone to lots of churches and disagree with sometime over 50% of what the minister says. And, at the end of the sermon, I don't go up to the pastor and say, "You know what, I didn't like your sermon." Another silly thing spouted by the Billery folks has to do with tarnishing someone because of their associations and associates. Look at your own circle of friends and family. I bet there are at least a couple of them who say and do things that you don't support. Are you to be painted with the same broad damning brush as others would use to paint your friends and family? We are trying to elect a President. Not a saint, not a minister, not anything other than the best person to lead our country. So why all of this folderall. Lets get back to discussions on policy and vision. Those are the qualities and qualifications which should be used to elect our leader. For you folks who say that it is premature for Hillary to get out of the race, would you be of the same mind if she were in first place and it was Obama arguing that pledged delegates aren't really pledged after all; or that superdelegates should vote their conscience; or any of the other silly inane arguments proferred by the Clintonites. There once was a time when I supported Senator Clinton over Senator Obama. It was her behavior that has turned me into an Obama supporter. Let her stay in the race and damage the DNC. This will be the end of her policital career and will tarnish her husband's Presidency in the meantime. Be careful that throwing the kitchen sink does not turn into a boomerang which will in the end do more harm to her than to Senator Obama. Be honest and say what you really want to say. If you don't like the man, as I suspect, because of his skin color, at least have the gumption to say so and not hide behind the code words and veiled (not so much) hints at racism.

Posted by: stedman7775 | March 28, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Very disappointing and very undemocratic.
What part of "let all the voters speak" does Senator Leahy not understand? It's not even that far apart, and neither candidate has enough delegates to win!

Now who's sounding "entitled"?

Posted by: citizenjane | March 28, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

As an African-American voter, and a Hillary Clinto supporter, the moment that she succumbs to the pressure to drop out of the race is the moment I become a Republican. If a neutral party had come out and made the statements made by Leahy, it would have been a bit more tenable. However, since he is an Obama supporter, it smacks of the Obama campaign whining again. I hope the democrats get what they deserve--Obama as the nominee and President John McCain!

Posted by: slpooler2002 | March 28, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Hillary needs to win 65%+ of the remaining vote to catch up. Does ANYONE think that is even REMOTELY possible???? To that end, if she wasn't in such a hurry to give the Republicans attack ad lines, perhaps they wouldn't be nudging her to get out.

The bit about fighting is also comical. Wolfson whines, every other day, about something that is said by the Obama campaign. Pot meet kettle.

Can anyone wonder why her negatives continue to go up???

The pastor stuff has been running FOR EVER and if Obama had lost 12 in a row, the press would have been ALL over him to get out. How anyone thinks the media is giving him slack, and not her, is well beyond the pale. Well.

Posted by: seeburgerbuzz | March 28, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I think Divante Jackson might be my SR's brother

Posted by: svreaderjr | March 28, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey planner,

I just putting out there the perceptions people, in Pennslyvania, have. If people BELIEVE thisis true then it still hurts Senator Clinton. She, they, need to correct this perception. Should I really believe your post on Senator Obama? How true is that?

Posted by: ajackson3 | March 28, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I like to think of Hill in a quiet moment somewhere, all by her lonesome, having learned that yet another of her peers is calling for her to give it up.

Posted by: 1wanker | March 28, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey Cap, I think you don't know what the hell you're talking about: I've attending black churches, all over the country, for many many years, and have found them to be quite inclusive; why, even the historic AME Zion church in DC, after Princess Diana was killed, said prayers for her and her children on a Sunday morning that her own mother in law the Queen and Diana's children heard not one word about Diana's death!

Which is my way of saying that I have NEVER heard SUCH FILTHY RACIST GARBAGE as what comes out of the REv. Wright's mouth with his "black liberatio theology" -NEVER! I don't know black preachers who would EVER say things like that! And I don't know any black folk who would LISTEN to such garbage either! Or do you forget that Oprah quietly left his church, because it was too much HATE? BUT NOT YOUR LEADER OBAMA, OH NO! HE SAT THERE FOR 20 YEARS, GAVE 20,000 DOLLARS (WHICH HE HAD THANKS TO THE SLUMLORD REZKO) AND HAD HIS CHILDREN BAPTIZED IN A CHURCH THAT SPREAD RACIST HATE-AND HIS RACIST WIFE MICHELLE, WHO IS ONLY PROUD TO BE AMERICAN, BECAUSE OBAMA IS A CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT-UH, NO, I DON'T THINK THAT OBAMA PERSON IS ANY KIND OF A LEADER FOR THE WORLD'S ONLY SUPERPOWER!

Posted by: farfalle44 | March 28, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

schenks84, unfortunately, I have to agree

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

jrw2: I'm a Senator Obama supporter and I want to absolutely associate myself with your astute comments. I despair over the sophomoric banalities each side inflicts upon the other while we lose sight of the goal; to defeat John McCain in the fall.

Posted by: jovitman | March 28, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

The thing about Hillary hanging on like the low-life leech that she is is that she is counting on her husband and his corrupt cronies to hood-wink the superdelegates into supporting Hillary over the PEOPLE'S CHOICE - Barack Obama. Hillary Clinton is a lying, dishonest, corrupt politician who represents the very worst of Washington politics. Obama is a fresh change we can all believe in!

Posted by: Informit | March 28, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

cap10gil: How much do you know about the theology which is preached at Obama's church? The "theology" that Wright teaches at his church is nothing like Christianity as most people understand it. It is called "black liberation theology." Here are direct quotes regarding this "theology" from Wright's mentor and major architect of black liberation theology, Rev. James Cone: 1. To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people. 2. While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism. 3. All white men are responsible for white oppression. 4. Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man the devil. 5. If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it. 6. Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love. *** These teachings are fundamentally racist and divisive, and I most certainly would not expose my children to such hate.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Hillary voters will line up around the block to vote for Obama in November. We won't even devote a soundbite to them, as our energy will be in pursuit of the independants who will propell Obama to the White House. So much drama from Hillary's children, where are they going to go? Stay home? Vote McCain? Vote Nader? Have your tantrum now, get it out of your system. You'll be in line with us soon enough, you just don't know it yet.

Posted by: gmundenat | March 28, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Everyone pushing the switch vote percentages of 30% of Hilary's voters to McCain and only 18% of Obama's to McCain.

PSA everybody.
1. This should show you who the REAL democrats are. We won't even go into the fact that it has been stated that Hilary's populus is mostly uneducated voters.

2. Did you ever stop to think that MAYBE 18% of Obama's voters is MORE than 30% of Hilary's backers? Seeing at Republicans are switching up EN MASSE to make sure she gets pitted against McCain, the idea isn't to farfetched.

I won't be voting for Hilary because she won't be gracing the general election ballot. And the way her mudfighting method of selfdestructing the democratic party is going, she's killing her chances of ever doing so. All you idiots voting for McCain deserve the armageddon you get if you do so.

Posted by: Queixada | March 28, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

For you democrats griping about negative campaigning on the Clinton side, remember this is what you asked for. Every little senseless thing that pops up, media and yes, those ever enabling voters jump all over it. Voters are very much complicit in the farce that is the presidential election season. Take ownership of that fact and then examine yourself to decide whether you have truly investigated the things that matter to you in a candidate or just listened to pundits and bloggers. Further, ask yourself if the things you are judging candidates on really matter, both in the context of the world we live in today and the constitutional responsibilities of a president. Until voters take responsibility for their own ignorance and complicitly negative behavior this cycle will repeat and the country will continue to regress. We are becoming the Roman empire...at an exponential rate.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama Supporters --

Before you send any more of your, or your parent's, hard earned money to Barry Obama --

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Channel 5, Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

How do you explain away the fact that Barry Obama never followed up on the 11 slums that his friend Rezko was supposed to repair in Obama's district in Chicago, and continued to do nothing about the 40 slums that Rezko was supposed to repair or replace in Chicago, even after Obama joined the US Senate?

From the Chicago Sun Times:

For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago's South Side.

It was just four years after the landlords -- Antoin "Tony'' Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru -- had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.

Rezko and Mahru couldn't find money to get the heat back on.

But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building....

The building in Englewood was one of 30 Rezmar rehabbed in a series of troubled deals largely financed by taxpayers. Every project ran into financial difficulty. More than half went into foreclosure, a Chicago Sun-Times investigation has found.

"Their buildings were falling apart,'' said a former city official. "They just didn't pay attention to the condition of these buildings.''

Eleven of Rezko's buildings were in Obama's state Senate district....

Rezko and Mahru had no construction experience when they created Rezmar in 1989 to rehabilitate apartments for the poor under the Daley administration. Between 1989 and 1998, Rezmar made deals to rehab 30 buildings, a total of 1,025 apartments. The last 15 buildings involved Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland during Obama's time with the firm.

Rezko and Mahru also managed the buildings, which were supposed to provide homes for poor people for 30 years. Every one of the projects ran into trouble:

* Seventeen buildings -- many beset with code violations, including a lack of heat -- ended up in foreclosure.

* Six buildings are currently boarded up.

* Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.

* Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.

* At least a dozen times, the city of Chicago sued Rezmar for failure to heat buildings.

Posted by: svreader | March 28, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Actually Obama cannot win. Some have conveniently forgotten his Anti-American label.. That will sink him sooner or later. Sooner is better. So yes, I agree the race is dividing the democratic party. Obama please quit. You are toast you know that.

Posted by: dsclinton | March 28, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS A PENCIL DICK NEGRO. but he is right about one thing. white ppl are racist. white ppl started the AIDS virus and gave it the black ppl. the CIA introduced crack into the ghetto. white ppl like jews but they infect blacks with stds. with interracial dating, maybe the numbers will equalize. if obama's elected its because white ppl are racist.

Posted by: DivanteJackson | March 28, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

svreader: I'm trying to wrap my mind around how I can become an Obama supporter if he is the nominee. You posted a newspaper article about Obama's dereliction of duty while a state senator. Let's see, I'll give it a try. It was a phony article; the writer was a racist; the people all had fevers and wanted the heat off. How am I doing? Will I make a good Obama supporter?

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Let her stay in...kill her political career...its her right as a candidate...but that big wave is building and she better start thinkin if she's gonna catch it to shore or if she's just gonna do a face plant, roll down the face, and wipe out horribly on the reef. Both can be entertaining.

Posted by: brian | March 28, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Wow. A lot of closet racists read this paper.

Posted by: schencks84 | March 28, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I am an Obama supporter but I shudder when I see politicians from our camp propose that Clinton get out now. This is likely to annoy a lot of voters in PA and give her a much larger margin than she would have had. If she surprises by a larger margin of victory than expected it will add to her momentum for Indianna and she has a chance in North Carolina.The latter state has significantly different demographics than South Carolina. Net/net -the premature calls for Hillary to get out are really good for her.

Posted by: meehankl | March 28, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I am so happy to see that the "men" have more common sense than the "women" in this election. Hillary is being vendictive and everybody knows it. That nutcase friend of theirs James Carvell is keeping hope alive in vain. But Pelosi is right, Sen. Leahy is right. It's time. McCain is visiting foreign countries trying to learn something and grasp this presidential thing with the support of Lieberman. And what is Hillary doing; planning and plotting like Freddy Krugger. I pray for more people to suggest that she go somewhere and sit down. Take care of Bill and Chelsea (by the way they did a job on her) poor girl. Anyway, please more people with sense tell this woman that it's over. And see this is why we DON'T NEED a woman for president. They're to damn crazy and moody. And I'm a woman. Let these men do what they do lead the country!

Posted by: thelru2004 | March 28, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I am so happy to see that the "men" have more common sense than the "women" in this election. Hillary is being vendictive and everybody knows it. That nutcase friend of theirs James Carvell is keeping hope alive in vain. But Pelosi is right, Sen. Leahy is right. It's time. McCain is visiting foreign countries trying to learn something and grasp this presidential thing with the support of Lieberman. And what is Hillary doing; planning and plotting like Freddy Krugger. I pray for more people to suggest that she go somewhere and sit down. Take care of Bill and Chelsea (by the way they did a job on her) poor girl. Anyway, please more people with sense tell this woman that it's over. And see this is why we DON'T NEED a woman for president. They're to damn crazy and moody. And I'm a woman. Let these men do what they do lead the country!

Posted by: thelru2004 | March 28, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

I am so happy to see that the "men" have more common sense than the "women" in this election. Hillary is being vendictive and everybody knows it. That nutcase friend of theirs James Carvell is keeping hope alive in vain. But Pelosi is right, Sen. Leahy is right. It's time. McCain is visiting foreign countries trying to learn something and grasp this presidential thing with the support of Lieberman. And what is Hillary doing; planning and plotting like Freddy Krugger. I pray for more people to suggest that she go somewhere and sit down. Take care of Bill and Chelsea (by the way they did a job on her) poor girl. Anyway, please more people with sense tell this woman that it's over. And see this is why we DON'T NEED a woman for president. They're to damn crazy and moody. And I'm a woman. Let these men do what they do lead the country!

Posted by: thelru2004 | March 28, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

It's amusing to me that Hillary supporters keep posting bile after bile about Rev Wright. The constant blabber is always in CAPS with lots of !!!. You are only making your candidate look like a negative, whiny politician who's only real issue is racism. Not a good platform if you ask me. Who you vote for at the end of the day is really a reflection of who you are and where you stand on the integrity of issues. By all means, research, investigate and exhaust all resources to determine who is best to lead this nation. I did and Hillary is neither honest or transparent. So for me that person will be Barack Obama. And when he is president I will hold him to the same scrutiny to represent my views as I do to any public servant.

Posted by: oneworld67352 | March 28, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

It's time for Hillary to abandon ship. Her recent misspoke on Bosnia along with her memory problem, not knowing where some of her campaign money went indicates she'd have some problems running the country and of course there's good ol' Bill in the background to provide some further fire and ice to add to the incompetency should we have the misfortune to see her win the nomination and GOD FORBID be elected.

Posted by: hbsch | March 28, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

If Howard Dean or any other party leaders attempt to end this campaign race one single day before the Denver convention they could have a mass exodus of Hillary Clinton supporters and the Michigan and Florida voters. We know that neither candidate can rightfully claim a win before Denver. All Hillary Clinton supporters believe a win in Denver for Hillary Clinton is a certainty. Well not only Hillary Clinton supporters but really everyone. Why do you think supporters of Barack Obama that are Independents and Republicans and power broker Democrats want to end this race short of Denver. We the people Democrats want to go into that convention as an open convention because we see us coming out with Hillary Clinton as the rightful nominee. The Florida and Michigan delegates are going to be seated there and the remaining 10 primaries will have given Hillary Clinton the popular vote by then and the most wins in states that are winnable by a Democrat in November. Those 3 facts say Hillary Clinton has a lock on coming out of the Democratic convention in Denver as the winner and will be the rightful party nominee. So if anyone or anything ends this race in anyway before Denver we will see it as a plot and unfair politics and thus the mass exodus.

Posted by: snags85 | March 28, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

It's time for Hillary to abandon ship. Her recent misspoke on Bosnia along with her memory problem, not knowing where some of her campaign money went indicates she'd have some problems running the country and of course there's good ol' Bill in the background to provide some further fire and ice to add to the incompetency should we have the misfortune to see her win the nomination and GOD FORBID be elected.

Posted by: hbsch | March 28, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

It's time for Hillary to abandon ship. Her recent misspoke on Bosnia along with her memory problem, not knowing where some of her campaign money went indicates she'd have some problems running the country and of course there's good ol' Bill in the background to provide some further fire and ice to add to the incompetency should we have the misfortune to see her win the nomination and GOD FORBID be elected.

Posted by: hbsch | March 28, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

The "Democratic" Party is the biggest bunch of hypocrites, ever. Weren't the Democrats the ones who bitterly protested when all of the votes in Florida weren't counted in 2000? Then why do prominent Democrats insist that the race should end early before every Democrat has had a say in who will be the nominee? Even more troubling, why do these party "leaders" say nothing when Obama and his supporters are taking active steps to stymie revotes in Michigan and Florida? A sure fire way to harden the division in the Democratic party is for people like Leahy to tell average voters that they know what's best for them and take away their chance to be heard in the voting booth. What are Obama supporters so afraid of anyway?

Posted by: jenny_fickle | March 28, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Hillary cannot win. Nothing tricky here, folks. The party needs her out of the race, and then out of the senate. She has done too much damage, there is no putting the toothpaste back in the tube.

Posted by: gmundenat | March 28, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

While Hillary is a good candidate, as is Barack, she needs to do what is good for the party and end her race. If both candidates don't stop fighting each other, it will only lead to further splits within the party. I once read a comment by someone within the Demorcrat party that said (paraphasing) Democrates fall in love with a candidate, while Republicans fall in line. Today the Republicans are building up base since McCain appears to be headed for the nomination and all the other former candidates are coming into line with McCain.

Posted by: smallergovt | March 28, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I will take a wild guess and say that most of the haters of Obama have never attended services at a Black Church. Considering that the church has a congregation of about 8000 people, do you think that the other 7996 would submit their children to the things that you insist Obama did?. You guys need to read and think for yourselves and stop being brainwashed by every thing that's put on the boob tube.

Posted by: cap10gil | March 28, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

I really like Pat Leahy--and I voted enthusiastically for him when I lived in Vermont, over 20 years ago. Nevertheless, he has it backwards this time.

It is not incumbent on Mrs. Clinton to withdraw. Bobby Kennedy was still fighting for delegates in June of 1968 when he was shot. Like Mrs. Clinton, he was using his late surge among voters to convince the unelected power brokers among the delegates that he should be the party's candidate because of his vision and electability. There's nothing wrong with this. It's classic politics--and "politics" is not a dirty word.

If he wants to end this fight early, Senator Leahy should be extolling superdelegates to, uh, "spit" or get off the pot. It is not Mrs. Clinton's job to relieve them of making the hard--and for me personally, it is a very hard--choice.

Posted by: wgmadden | March 28, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Although, I am personally not a Hilary Clinton fan, if I were confident that you could do a good job running this country, I would vote for her based on that alone. However, I am getting a bit tired of the personal attacks back and forth and I can't remember it being this ugly in the past. I would like for either Clinton or Obama to be declared the Democratic nominee rather then either drop out at this point, because it is a tight race. But I would not go as far as to say, that "obama is being forced on me" how is that possible? America is choosing who they feel is competent, experienced, qualified, dedicated and abled to run this country...that is what the voting processes are all about, sorry if you feel that the candidate you are aganist might be forced on you so much so that you would vote McCain, even if he were not the right candidate to run this country.

Posted by: cereas314 | March 28, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Say it ain't so Hillary

Is it possible that Hillary has been caught in Another Lie this week?


It has to be astonishing to the average person who leads their life by telling the truth.


It turns out that John Podesta, former Clinton Chief of Staff, heads up the Center for American Progess, which in turn runs thinkprogress.org which ran the false story last week that Senator John McCain had plagiarized some passages in a speech.

One has to ask oneself: Are they serious?


How in the world can another lie, a smear campaign, have as its source a group of Clinton people? The funding and the contributors of the Center for American Progress and thinkprogress.org should be checked out for connections to the Clinton campaign.

At first glance, thinkprogress.org appears to be run by a relatively young editor named Faiz Shakir who has apparently refused to resign over this episode.

A few more clicks of the mouse yields the name of the parent organization and an actual picture of John Podesta.


Enough with the lies. Enough with the smear campaigns. Enough with sending your daughter out to tell the country that the credibility of a Presidential candidate is "none of our business."

America deserves better.

Posted by: Miata7 | March 28, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Finally, a courageous Senator, even if Vermont is backing him up in his opinion.

Yes, it's time for her to go. Better yet, it's time for her husband to go, to let go and give us a huge break. The Clintons (two for the price of one) dominated the 1990s and it's time for them to GO!

Please, just Go!!
hasta la vista to both of you.

Posted by: jdnewman1 | March 28, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

It's true that both Obama and Clinton will need superdelegates to win the nomination. However, if the superdelegates have to negate the will of the people to put Hillary ahead, there will be a civil war in the Democratic party that puts McCain in the White House.

I don't think anyone believes that Hillary can come out ahead in pledged delegates, the popular vote, or the number of states won. Therefore, this comes down to ratifying the votes cast, or starting a civil war.

This is why Hillary should step down after the primary season ends. There's nothing "close" about this race.

Posted by: smc91 | March 28, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody see the utter lack of sense in this! Why ahve 50 state votes if everyone gets nervous after 40 states have voted and want to stop it. Next time, just select 40 states to vote and each election 10 states take turn to drop out. Please respond if myidea makes sense. We can let the big guys know.

Posted by: dsclinton | March 28, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

The political flood gates are beginning to immerse the campaign of Senator Clinton. Who's next? I would love to see Senator Barbara Boxer come out and endorse Senator Obama. That would really get Senator Clinton's attention.

Posted by: jovitman | March 28, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

webg --

Obama can't "pull a Spitzer"

His supporters, and the press, are too busy pulling his Spitzer for him!!!


Posted by: svreader | March 28, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama is only up 2.6% in the popular vote without FL and only 1.4% with FL. There is no "consensus" behind Obama as the clear Dem candidate. Clinton will likely shrink the gap after PA. With the other remaining primaries and MI and FL perhaps still in play, why on Earth would Clinton quit now?

Posted by: heatmiser | March 28, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

ajackson3: Wow, talk about conspiracy theories. How about let's just post comments which can be verified. Also, take a look at how Obama obtained his first elective office:
http://tinyurl.com/2zwwte

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

If Obama is the nominee I will vote for John McCain. WHY? First where is Florida and Michigan delegates. Second, Twenty years of association with Anti American, Anti Jewish and racist individuals is not an experience I seek in a Presidential candidate.

Posted by: JACRUZ1 | March 28, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

leahy just joined the groupies! well, good for him. barack will give him a front row seat or a back stage pass, next bag-o-wind speech he gives. the democratic party is in shambles and are to blame for the protracted and manipulative party nomination process. when they "bums rush" mr politcaly correct in, the party is dead, and this country is dead. it is an "american idol" culture of the extremely stupid.

Posted by: ramardeus1 | March 28, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

i would like to add that i can't believe any life-long democrat could really get behind a candidate like obama and a party that has largely crucified Bill Clinton, a man that has a lot of approval from an overwhelming majority of Americans. the obama/democratic political machine has gone out of its way to drag him and his presidency through the mud. thats the ultimated slap in the face and the ultimate in disrespect. say what you want for the republicans, they may have a largely unpopular president in Bush but you would never see them trash his legacy (or the Reagan legacy) the way obama and the majority of the democratic party leaders have done to Bill Clinton. Its a shame, too, because I know many republicans who look back and remember a lot of prosperous times during the Clinton years. yet obama and other democrats have tried to paint him as a racist afterthought. i would think most die-hard democrats would be completely offended by those comments. (and before you start obama loyalists start laying blame on Bill Clinton, let's not forget that obama was the one who started it all when he had kinder words to say about Reagan than Clinton.)

Posted by: scottinmd | March 28, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I voted for Clinton. I support Clinton. But OMG it's time for her to get out of this race, because she CAN'T WIN... at least not without being literally appointed by superdelegates and that would be a travesty of democracy. It doesn't matter if she's the better candidate, the more electable candidate or the one with the fewest crazy pastors. Obama has more support from the only super-people who count, the voters. Sorry Hillary but you need to get out of the race. If Obama pulls a Spitzer you can always get back in.

Posted by: webg | March 28, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

The problem is not that the fight is going on. The problem is the damage both clinton and obama are causing each other in the contest that will lead republican to seat back and rip the benefits in the general election. Second of all I don't see how clinton is going to overcome the math because should she win all the remaining contest delegates are still apportionned between her and Obama. And because of that I don't understand why Obama keep acting as if they both were tight. No there aren't and he should upgrade by feeling comfortable with his lead and take concrete actions to win clinton supporters over instead of just fire back at everything clinton campaign says.

Posted by: yasmineq | March 28, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

If Obama brings the same kind of "change" to America that he did to Chicago, America will freeze to death.

Please wtch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Channel 5, Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

How do you explain away the fact that Barry Obama never followed up on the 11 slums that his friend Rezko was supposed to repair in Obama's district in Chicago, and continued to do nothing about the 40 slums that Rezko was supposed to repair or replace in Chicago, even after Obama joined the US Senate?

From the Chicago Sun Times:

For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago's South Side.

It was just four years after the landlords -- Antoin "Tony'' Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru -- had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.

Rezko and Mahru couldn't find money to get the heat back on.

But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building....

The building in Englewood was one of 30 Rezmar rehabbed in a series of troubled deals largely financed by taxpayers. Every project ran into financial difficulty. More than half went into foreclosure, a Chicago Sun-Times investigation has found.

"Their buildings were falling apart,'' said a former city official. "They just didn't pay attention to the condition of these buildings.''

Eleven of Rezko's buildings were in Obama's state Senate district....

Rezko and Mahru had no construction experience when they created Rezmar in 1989 to rehabilitate apartments for the poor under the Daley administration. Between 1989 and 1998, Rezmar made deals to rehab 30 buildings, a total of 1,025 apartments. The last 15 buildings involved Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland during Obama's time with the firm.

Rezko and Mahru also managed the buildings, which were supposed to provide homes for poor people for 30 years. Every one of the projects ran into trouble:

* Seventeen buildings -- many beset with code violations, including a lack of heat -- ended up in foreclosure.

* Six buildings are currently boarded up.

* Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.

* Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.

* At least a dozen times, the city of Chicago sued Rezmar for failure to heat buildings.

Posted by: svreader | March 28, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

hhkeller, Fiengold voted for Obama in the Wisconsin primary.

Posted by: davestickler | March 28, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I see someone brought up Clinton's lie about Bosnia, again. How about Obama's lies: 1. his continual reference to his "Christian" faith, which is actually "black liberation theology"; 2. his lies and omissions about his connection to his racist and anti-American "mentor and spiritual adviser"; 3. his alleged continual opposition to the Iraq war; 4. his denial regarding playing the race card (for which he was busted by Tim Russert); 5. his denial that any meeting took place between his chief economic adviser and the Canadian official about NAFTA; 6. his changing testimony about his relationship with and monetary support from Rezko; 7. his lie about a pharmaceutical lobbyist's involvement in his campaign; 8. his statement that his parents met at the Selma march (when he was actually born 4 year before that); 9. his claim in his book that he received his racial awakening at age nine reading a Life/Ebony Magazine story about a black man who was scarred trying to dye his skin white, when both Life and Ebony say there was no such article.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

SCOTTINMD, again genius, not an Obama supporter. In fact, not even a Democrat. If you want something enlightening, please provide it. I will be happy to respond if you have something thoughful to say.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I'll be the first in line to turn against the dems if Hillary pulls this one out of her ****. 4 more years of clintBush-Gate is not something I am looking forward to. The continued lies, deceit and treachery are just far too much for this voter to bear. You don't have to agree with John McCain, but he is one of our more ethical and principled politicians.

Posted by: deborahfitzpat | March 28, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

One last comment. You can continue to bring up the Reverend Wright controversy like Senator Obama laid out in his speech on race. Does it heal the country? Does it solves the countries issues? It keeps him from being elected but I keep hearing from people they WILL NOT vote for Senator Clinton. I don't see how she will win in November. I would vote for her if she is the Democratic nominee but I am one of the few around me who will. I really think it is time to do a reality check.

I was blogging with a gentleman in Pennslyvania earlier today. I never revealed to him which candidate I supported. I made a general statement on the TYPE of candidate I would vote for as President. He responded by sending me a link to court cases filed against the Clintons, I believe someone posted here.

In a meeting today with a client this morning, he states that he will be in Pennslyvania from April 20-25. I say, "hey, you will be there during the primary election". My colleague next to me, who's wife's family lives in Pennslyvania, says, his brother-in-law said if Senator Clinton is the nominee and is elected to President, he will move to Canada. He goes on to tell about how people linked to the Clintons and these cases have died. ???

I hear comments like these often, especially after her kitchen sink, whining about the press being unfair, and smear tactics came out sine the Ohio and Texas primary. Just letting you know, agian, I ma a Independent, not taking any sides.

Posted by: ajackson3 | March 28, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I am looking forward to casting my ballot for Hillary here in Pennsylvania in a few weeks and am dismayed that 'party insiders' and the media have launched this clarion call for Hillary to leave the race. Last time I checked there are millions of Americans who haven't had an opportunity to vote. Obama has a lead but this is an election, not a coronation.

If it's 5 to 4 in the 8th inning in the clinching game of the World Series do they stop the game and award the trophy? Obama may well be the nominee and if he does, I will vote for him. However I believe Hillary - dull, methodical, boring, uninspiring Hillary - is the better candidate and will beat McCain. I am not as confident that Obama will win the general election - by in large he hasn't been able to win the big electoral vote rich states. Winning Wyoming and Idaho and Kansas is nice but the Democrats can't win the WH without states like Pennsylvania, Florida, New Jersey, California, Ohio, etc.

One final note for all the 'party insiders' and political journalists and commentators who only seem to talk to one another -- back in 2000 and 2004 the Democratic party quickly "rallied behind" candidates Gore and Kerry and analysts hailed the party's unity. "Unity" didn't much help counter the relentless GOP slander machine. A tough primary campaign season may well be the best thing for both candidates because as we have seen, the GOP will stop at nothing to hold on to power.

Go Hillary -
and if eventually it is Obama -
Go Barack
Go Democrats 2008 - let's bring our country back to sanity.

Posted by: cate58 | March 28, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

who the hell cares about what this old fart leahy says. screw him. He doesnt speak for democrats, he probably doesnt speak for Vermont. hillary! fight to the end. Lets who is wearing the pants. Why shouldnt obama drop out? He hasnt been able to win in populous states. He certainly doesnt have nomination. High sounding speeches mean nothing if you dont have specifics. Forget uniting red and blue, that's never going happen, unless we are fighting british colonism again. Think about who is going to get us out of mess in economy and foreign policy and bring US prestige back to where it was.

Posted by: hemisphere | March 28, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

The same posters who think it's legitimate for superdelegates to hand the nomination to Clinton despite losing among voters are now up in arms that elected Democratic officials might influence the outcome of the primary.

Seriously?

Posted by: davestickler | March 28, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Earlier in the race, an Obama/Clinton ticket would have been a sure winner and given her the management and mentoring that she needs to grow into a good leader.

Alas, she keeps embellishing her actual experience and finally got caught with her hand in the cookie jar.

Posted by: svreaderjr | March 28, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Leahy is way out of line in suggesting that Hillary drop out of this race now. The fact remains NEITHER candidate is likely to reach the number of pledged delegates to cinch the nomination. This is a close race and a lot can happen. For example we all know Florida and Michigan would be significant. For Leahy to suggest a race this close should not play out to the end smacks of an agenda other than the lame"for the good of the party" line. Anybody who thinks the democratic party will unite in hand-holding glee behind Obama the Unifier is dead wrong. Those of us who see him as Obama The Inexperienced and Unqualified will not unite behind him. Leahy and Dean are going to find themselves singing Kumbaya right thru McCain's swearing in ceremony.

Posted by: debrajd | March 28, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

If Russ Fiengold were black Id vote for him in a minute. Russ is a Senator with guts, brains and a record to stand on.
Obama is too junior with a spotty state level record. The drugs, church and graft at just extra problems for him.

Posted by: hhkeller | March 28, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

The pure arrogance of the Obama campaign and of his followers here makes me truly afraid of how he would act as President. Clinton should drop out even though Obama can't win the majority of pledged delegates? Wow. I care about the Supreme Court, but I'll take my chances with McCain. If the people from Iowa want an abortion and they over-rule Roe v. Wade, you're welcome to come to my state where abortion was legal before Roe and will be after too.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | March 28, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

jwright, i didn't read your whole post but as to your question of superdelegates overturning the will of the people...I think the concern is over the perception by some that if a candidate goes in having won a majority of the votes, however you count it (state, delegates, popular) then the superdelegates "overturning" that would be perceived as insider politics, something the Dems have claimed they want to avoid. As with everything in America, unfortunately, its all perception.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

A. Hillary is going to get a lot more Michigan and Florida delegates then Obama.

B. Obama definitely can't win in Nov. so why nominate him? He's only won small states. Few Clinton supporters and certainly no Republican is going to vote for him.

C. He and his wife (who we haven't heard much from lately) may be closet racists, harboring deep seated prejudices against a country and a people they preceive as having treated people of color unfairly. There's evidence to support this supposition. Why take a chance?

D. In the end, women are going to realize how important it is to insure their hard fought for rights and legally enforced equalities and that will be the key to winning in Nov.

Posted by: jlinick | March 28, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm. No wonder Patrick Leahy doesn't run for president.

I'm tired of the press and Senator Obama's campaign trying to run the election, disenfranchise millions, and intimidate Hilary Clinton. What are they afraid of? Why not let the primaries continue unobstructed?

While not originally a Clinton supporter and actually leaning toward Obama, I'm tired of this and will put myself in the category of won't vote for Obama if he is the candidate.

Posted by: adeleml | March 28, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

If Obama was found in bed with a dead girl, his supporters would say she died of happiness.

If he was found in bed with a live boy, they'd say Obama cured his leprosy.

If he blew away 19 people in a Burger King, they'd say it was justified because the fries were soggy.

Posted by: svreader | March 28, 2008 02:43 PM

If you were paying attention to the media portrayal of the great Messiah, it would sink into your head that this is a very INTELLIGENT post.

Posted by: hopendave_1999 | March 28, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary manages to steal this one from Obama, I'll be the first in line voting for McCain. I don't think I can take another 4 years of a ClintBush-Gate. Both families have done irreparable harm to this country. The continued lies and deceit would just be too much for this voter to bear. You can say alot of things about John McCain, but the man is one of our more principled and ethical politicians.

Posted by: deborahfitzpat | March 28, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

SeedofChange : YOU ARE JUST A RACIST P - and that's all I have to say for someone as mean and dirty as you.

Get a life people like you are a shame to society, just looking to pull someone down. Never see the good in someone only the negative.

Suggestion go write a book [which will never sell] or go back to being the KKK that you are! SICKO..

Posted by: amcthompson | March 28, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

by the way, people like wilsonmg_2000 are why i hope obama does when the democratic nomination. mccain will be shoe-in. obama's winning the democratic nomination will rightfully make all the Hillary supporters mad because, like her, he won't have the required number of delegates to win either. he's already alienated plenty of white people no matter how many speeches he makes. he's angered voters in michigan and florida because obama does not want to have a re-vote because, gasp!, they may actually really vote for Hillary. and then there's ralph nader...he'll pick up all those angry democrats who won't be able to vote for mccain. so, i have no problem with blind obama supporters who continue to live in some fantasy land that obama is nice and perfect and hillary is evil and the only one taking mean shots at poor defenseless obama.

as for obama supporters like wilsonmg_2000 (you're well-reasoned posts are truly inspiring: (1) Seed of Change...everyone already knows that stuff is false. Give it up. Let it go. At least, make up some new lies. (2) its a good thing your voting republican. Your kind of logic, conclusion jumping, avoidance of big picture issues, and frankly, less than subtle prejudice will fit in well over there!) just keep doing what wilsonmg-2000 and obama want you to do: focus on the big picture. why? because you would be completely turned off by obama if you actually paid any attention to all the little details. let's face it--most of these obama backers cheer anything the man says. its not because they care or even really know what he's about. its mostly just because they can't stand hillary. (and let's face it, its probably because most of them have mommy issues and can't deal with a potential woman in power.)

Posted by: scottinmd | March 28, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey Beth24- if in fact your screenname reflects your age, I forgive you for that supremely ignorant comment: While your boy Obama was busy snorting cocaine, selling it on the side during the late 70's and early 80s, all the while attending one of THE MOST prestigious, expensive prep schools in the nation-Punahou School in Honolulu-Hillary Rodham Clinton was already a distinguished lawyer on the Hill, and in the private sector, working on childrens' rights, which has always for the past 30 years been one of her major platforms. And then, during her husband's presidency, where the poor and middle class citizen actually had their standard of living RAISED, BY THE BILLION PLUS SURPLUS IN THE TREASURY THAT WAS BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON'S LEGACY TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC, Hillary, it should be noted, was the President's primary advisor, every decision Pres. Clinton took, "had to have Hillary's approval" - that was widely reported all during Pres. Clinton's 8 years in office. And then, Hillary has been a distinguished senator from NY for 8 years now, working for her constitutents, and gaining the respect of both sides of the aisle for her smarts and her ability to bring people together, rather than apart. She is a uniter, not a divider, and she has 8 years in ofice of Republicans saying that about her.

And then there's Obama, who has absolutely ZERO experience, who has done NOTHING in his few years of being a US senator EXCEPT run for President, (constitutents, what constitutents?) and while he was in Illinois, he took credit for things that other people worked on, not him-this was quite apart from the fact that he sat for 20 years and gave 20,000 dollars to Rev. Wright and his church, listening to such hate-filled garbage as "the United States of WHITE America" God damn America" and "Natalie Holloway..a white girl who went to Aruba gave it up and got herself raped."

Yeah. I think you don't know what in hell you're talkig about, because there is NO COMPARISON THERE between Hillary's life-long public service and Obama's UTTER LACK OF PUBLIC SERVICE, Obama, always always looking for that crutch, looking to blame someone else, either his grandmother, or the white man, or Hillary, or SOMEONE, because he can't deal with his head trips about being half and half-the man is not, nor ever will be suited to hold high public office.

Posted by: farfalle44 | March 28, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

hopendave: Unfortunately, your logic will fall upon deaf ears. Obama fans started supporting him when they knew nothing about him, and they simply cannot let facts intrude upon their illusions. The Democratic party is in a heap of trouble.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Once we elect a President, there is no practical way to replace him if we find out that we've made a bad choice.

Its a basic flaw in our system.

We can't afford to make the mistake of electing someone who doesn't know what they're doing, but thinks they do.

Barry Obama is not only a bad choice, but a dangerous one, because he's exactly like Bush in that regard.

In both the State and US Senate, Barry Obama has been a huge dissapointment.

He likes running for office.

He doesn't like the day to day grind of doing the job.

Earlier in the race, a Clinton/Obama ticket would have been a sure winner and given him the management and mentoring that he needs to grow into a good leader.

Neither he, nor his supporters, realize just how badly he needs a strong manager and mentor, and how much damage he could do without one.

Both Obama and his supporters are too clever for their own good.

He can "get over" on people, but he can't deliver the goods.

His supporters have acted like spoiled children.

He is not Presidential material at the present time.

Its an open question as to whether he might be in the future.

Like many other Democrats, I cannot vote for him in good faith.

His supporters have been so nasty and have shown such zeal throwing Bill Clinton "under the bus" that they have destroyed any goodwill that we mainstream Democrats may have towards him or them.

The best thing for the Democratic Party, at this point, will be for him to be soundly defeated in the next primaries, or for one of the many scandals he's currently involved in to take him out of the race.

I do not see him having the maturity to accept the VP slot without being soundly defeated first, and with all the damage he and his supporters have done to both the Democratic Party, to his credibility and to theirs it may not be a very good idea to have him on ticket in any capacity.

There's no way he can be elected president, but he may very well take the Democratic Party down with him to defeat.

For the good of the country, I hope that does not happen.

As much as I like and admire Senator Clinton, if Obama is the Presidential candidate, there is no way in the world I or most other mainstream Democrats can support him.

If forced to make the decision, we will always choose country over party

Posted by: svreader | March 28, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

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Don't forget Nader Squawk-Squawk! ;~D

Posted by: rat-the | March 28, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

SCOTTINMD, I was not making an attempt to debate with you because you provided nothing worthy of debate. State your opinon, support it with facts while accounting for your assumptions and biases. Then we can have a meaningful debate. Right now, you are offering nothing more than what I can get from the thoughtless pundits on the nightly news. Also, I'm not here as an Obama supporter (when we assume we make an...). I simply enjoy seeing the silly comments Dems make.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

By the way, moonies, Nobama's misdeeds in Chicago were not "made up". Chicago Sun-
times, January 24...Chicago Tribune, February 2, Daily Mail Feb. 28....read and educate yourself...

Posted by: hopendave_1999 | March 28, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm trying to understand the intellectual consistency of those who say superdelegates shouldn't overturn "the will of the people". How do you define "will of the people?" Is this by congressional district? by state? aggregate popular vote?

Overturning the "will of the people" didn't stop Gov Richardson from endorsing Obama even though his state went for Clinton. So what if she won by 1 percentage point? She still won -- "will of the [New Mexico] people", right? Clinton appears to have a sizeable poll lead in PA, but that didn't stop Sen Casey from endorsing Obama. What happened to the "will of the [Pennsylvanian] people?" If Obama had any integrity, he'd have politely refused the endorsement of Richardson and Casey based on the principle of "will of the people" for their respective states. Obama has shown he'll ignore "will of the people" if it serves his purpose.

Therefore, if Obama only has a roughly 2% lead in popular votes cast, what's the big deal if superdelates go for Clinton because they think she'd be a better candidate in the general election? If all superdelegates are supposed to do is hand the nomination to a candidate who happens to lead in aggregate popular votes at the end of a close race, then what's the point of having them? Aren't superdelegates allowed a will of their own? Right now Clinton leads in superdelegates, so shouldn't the rest of the unpledge superdelegates then go to her so as not to overturn the "will of the [superdelegate] people".

Finally, why should Clinton drop out when the race is still close? In such a close race, let the voters of PA and the other remaining states have their say. What happened to that other great Democratic mantra -- "Let every vote count"?

Posted by: jwright2 | March 28, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

If Obama was found in bed with a dead girl, his supporters would say she died of happiness.

If he was found in bed with a live boy, they'd say Obama cured his leprosy.

If he blew away 19 people in a Burger King, they'd say it was justified because the fries were soggy.

Posted by: svreader | March 28, 2008 02:43 PM


And if Dr. svreader PhD ever posted anything remotely intelligent it would be the first time.

Go get a job Doc. Other than republo-troll of course.

Posted by: meg54136 | March 28, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

If Obama brings the same kind of "change" to America that he did to Chicago, we'll all freeze to death.

Posted by: svreader | March 28, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

So svreader, you have yet to say what you thought of Hillary's characterization of her Bosnia trip and the video that contradicts her story (and her subsequent and sheepish "I misspoke" about the trip). What are your thoughts? Please spare us from the Clinton party line. What do you think of it?

Posted by: meldupree | March 28, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the posters on here who did not go into personal tirades in support of the candidate they are backing. The Democratic leaders are coming out to endorse the candidate that has refrained from negative campaigning. They don't want the negative campaigning to drive independents and republicans looking for change to the GOP. Bottom-line, they are trying to WIN THE WHITE HOUSE PEOPLE! They are ganging up on Senator Clinton. You, she, and her campaign see it that way because they want to win like Senator Obama wants to win. But, unlike some of you who have posted on here, he is in the lead and he also can do well in the last remaining primaries. He could pull the surprise in Pennslyvania. So, the democratic party leaders are trying to lessen the blow of a drawn out, ugly, personal fight that is harming ALL democratic party elected officials. You guys just don't want to admit it or see it. Think about it. Besides, Senator Obama won Vermont by a wide margin, it is no surprise that a democratic elected official from that state would come out, especially after being endorsed by Senator Casey in Pittsburg today, and make a comment to save the party.

Look, I am an Independent. I could care less about the DNC and the GOP. Who cares! I care about electing officials who are going to represent the will of the American people and make decisions that are FOR THE GOOD OF ALL CITIZENS! That's it period. The current party holding the White House has failed to do that in my opinion along with the congress up until 2006. So, if it is Senator Obama, great, if it is Senator Clinton, fine. I don't want it to be Senator McCain. Just wanted to point that out to all of you bickering for nothing. Keep McCain out of the White House, that is all I ask, please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: ajackson3 | March 28, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Since when did "vetting" become a synonym for trashing, mudslinging, character assassination, attacking, and smearing with lies and misleading innuendos?

Maybe it always has been that way. In that case, I don't think vetting is healthy at all. It seems to be an exercise in fooling as many people as you can to diminish a candidate's support. Much of it is not true, and it's not always easy to tell what is true and what is not.

Furthermore, sometimes the damage is already done by the time the truth comes out. Sometimes the perception that an attack is affecting a certain group of people will make another group of people decide against a targeted candidate - even though the second group knows the attack is completely baseless. Sound familiar?

How healthy is that?

Posted by: DoTheMath | March 28, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Wow...so an old white dude proclaims the race is over and get out now woman!
This would never happen to a male candidate that is as close to receiving the nomination as Obama is.
He should be asking woulda coulda shoulda Obama, how come he can't close the deal?

Posted by: NanFan56 | March 28, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

How ironic that people can't get over Bill Clinton's infidelity but are so very forgiving of Obama's endorsement of a radical and anti-American church, his Tony Rezko connections, his ability to buy a mansion in Ill. for $300,000 under cost due to shady connections, his lying about his upbringing and his stupid habit of trying to portray himself as a regular guy when his bigmouth wife got a six-figure RAISE through her hospital board connections. You are so brainwashed that rational thinking is impossible. Get off the Obama joy juice and use your brain for once.

Posted by: hopendave_1999 | March 28, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse


Hillary:
She lied about Bosnia: She seems to have confused the occasion.

Obama:
Not black enough NO NO he is 2 black.
He votes conservative NO NO he is 2 liberal
Lost Texas NO NO he won it ( even the popular vote if you exclude repub. voters)
Jeremiah is the end NO NO he clearly bounced back.
A book about his misdeeds in Chicago NO NO anti-Obama made it up.
Lost all battle ground states NO NO Missouri and Virginia


Obama or Hillary why only HATE??

Posted by: DrCha | March 28, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting, as an independent I can sit back and watch all the primary mess. What I find facinating is that the Clinton supporters are screaming, nasty, insulting etc... If this is what your candidate inspires perhaps you should take a close look at yourselves and her.

Posted by: cambel1 | March 28, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama's dealer will have an exclusive interview on Fox. Race over.

Posted by: hhkeller | March 28, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Yeh, Shut up Sen. Leahy. There are millions of idiots out there who support Hillary. Let them have their fun. They deserve that much.

Posted by: jellybean1 | March 28, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I applaud my state senator in saying what we've all been thinking the past several weeks. The Hon. Mr. Leahy is a truly fine public servant.

If Hillary (miraculously) wins the nomination, I will be gravely disappointed and will probably leave the Democratic party for good. I will vote Nader.

I will not actively participate in creating a Bush-Clinton oligarchy that will have lasted over 30 years in American politics (if you consider G.H.W. Bush became VP in 1981).

That means my entire life (I was born in 1982) there has been a Bush or a Clinton in a powerful position in our Executive Branch.)

Enough!

Hope for Change.

Posted by: ws.anderson | March 28, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I am a 47 year old upper middle class white woman and I do not want Hillary in the White House. Obama will bring much needed change to Washington. For all of you "Democrats" who claim you will vote for McCain if Obama wins the nomination, I am one who will probably vote for McCain if Hillary wins.

We have had 2 Bushes for a total of 12 and 8 years of Clinton. I am totally fed up with dynastic rule - we need to change course!

As for McCain, he is Bush-lite.

Posted by: hazallen | March 28, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I love it. This type of talk only HELPS her. As if any of them would drop out when the race is this close. She's not stupid. Keep it up. It sends more support and money her way!


THE PUNDITS
Hillary Clinton will lose New Hampshire and the race will be over
THE REALITY
Hillary Clinton wins New Hampshire, defying the predictions and the polls

THE PUNDITS
Hillary Clinton will lose the big states on Super Tuesday and the race will be over
THE REALITY
Hillary Clinton wins the big states on Super Tuesday - and wins them by double digits

THE PUNDITS
Hillary Clinton will lose Texas and possibly Ohio on March 4th and the race will be over
THE REALITY
Hillary Clinton wins both Texas and Ohio on March 4th - and she wins Ohio by double digits

THE PUNDITS
Despite Hillary Clinton's big victories on March 4th, "the math" works decisively against her and the race is essentially over
THE REALITY
The math is simple: neither candidate has reached the number of delegates required to
secure the nomination and either candidate can win

THE PUNDITS
Barack Obama is substantially ahead in the pledged delegate count; pledged delegates are the only measure of success; therefore the race is essentially over
THE REALITY
The candidates are within fractions of one another on delegates; Barack Obama needs super delegates to win; and a marginal pledged delegate lead does not determine the outcome

THE PUNDITS
Barack Obama is substantially ahead in the popular vote; Florida and Michigan don't count; therefore the race is essentially over
THE REALITY
The popular vote is virtually tied; half of Barack Obama's narrow vote advantage is from his home state; and his lead excludes Florida and Michigan

THE PUNDITS
Once the remaining states vote, Barack Obama will be substantially ahead in delegates and votes and the race will be over
THE REALITY
The race is a dead heat now and no one knows where things will end up after millions of remaining voters in the upcoming states make their choice

THE PUNDITS
Hillary Clinton's situation is dire; her campaign is struggling; her supporters are disillusioned and desperate
THE REALITY
Hillary Clinton and her supporters are calm, confident, and focused heading into the key state of PA, where she is running strong

THE PUNDITS
There is a loud and growing chorus of voices asking Hillary Clinton to withdraw from the race
THE REALITY
Precisely the same number of voters (22%) think Barack Obama should drop out of the
race as Hillary Clinton

THE PUNDITS
Hillary Clinton is the candidate running a negative, divisive campaign; she is throwing the "kitchen sink" at Barack Obama
THE REALITY
Barack Obama has been throwing the sink, the stove, the plates and the garbage can at Hillary Clinton, attacking her integrity and character every day

THE PUNDITS
For Hillary to win the nomination, super delegates will have to "overturn the will of the people"
THE REALITY
The will of the people is split and both candidates need - and are making their case to - super delegates

THE PUNDITS
Hillary Clinton is threatening to poach pledged delegates from Barack Obama
THE REALITY
Barack Obama is reportedly already trying to poach pledged delegates from Hillary Clinton

THE PUNDITS
Florida and Michigan's voters won't be heard and their delegates won't be seated all because of complicated procedural roadblocks
THE REALITY
Barack Obama is intentionally disenfranchising voters in two critical states for purely political reasons, namely, that he'll lose his small advantage if they count

Posted by: joep1 | March 28, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

American1...you are the problem. You are what keeps America regressing rather than progressing. Go away.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

wilsonmg_2000---what a comeback. you must have been on your elementary school debate team? just keep drinking the obama kool-aid and you'll be fine. remember: the only stupid are people like you who can't think for themself.

Posted by: scottinmd | March 28, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

An Obama supporter from the get-go, my long-term (way before the campaign started) dislike for Hillary further fueled by her campaign's behaviors starting in South Carolina, make me wish her gone. But what we don't want is the kind of lingering anger and doubt left by the 2000 election, the appearance that one candidate got screwed. Hillary's supporters need to see her as out-campaigned, have to see her lose legitimately. She has indeed lost by all measures. The problem is, when her campaign keeps live the myth that she could win, all it's doing is to hand the media a continued fire-bomb to play with, one which could continue to stir up anger among Hillary's supporters as well as split the party.

Frankly, it's up to Clinton supporters to recognize this and get real. It's not easy to let go of your favorite -- and it wouldn't be any easier for Obama supporters if we were the losers. But someone has to lose. It ain't fun. But, Clinton fans, it has to be done!

Posted by: tarascon | March 28, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I doubt Hillary will head Leahy's call. She has demonstrated over the past weeks that she is willing to go to any length to deny Obama the nod.... even to make sure that, if he gets it,he will not win. I felt positively about her when she entered the race and for the first months after that. The personal attack campaign she has waged in the last months, however, has persuaded me that I don't want her as our leader. We don't need a divider, we need a unifier. That is not Hilary, sad but true.

Posted by: jbrigl | March 28, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Seed of Change...everyone already knows that stuff is false. Give it up. Let it go. At least, make up some new lies.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

smith.christopher: You said that Hillary lost when the Bosnia story broke. How about Obama's lies: 1. his continual reference to his "Christian" faith, which is actually "black liberation theology"; 2. his lies and omissions about his connection to his racist and anti-American "mentor and spiritual adviser"; 3. his alleged continual opposition to the Iraq war; 4. his denial regarding playing the race card (for which he was busted by Tim Russert); 5. his denial that any meeting took place between his chief economic adviser and the Canadian official about NAFTA; 6. his changing testimony about his relationship with and monetary support from Rezko; 7. his lie about a pharmaceutical lobbyist's involvement in his campaign; 8. his statement that his parents met at the Selma march (when he was actually born 4 year before that); 9. his claim in his book that he received his racial awakening at age nine reading a Life/Ebony Magazine story about a black man who was scarred trying to dye his skin white, when both Life and Ebony say there was no such article. *** Karl Rove was just talking about some of these issues last night on CNN. Do you really think the Republicans will give Obama a pass on them like the Democratic party and the media has? I doubt it.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Leahy is no different than all the other Obama supporters...they all want Senator Clinton to quit before Senator Obama has another "Wright" moment. And the headlines are so misleading, "Where no other Democratic leader has dared to go." Please, every Democratic politician is saying that Senator Clinton show bow out. No thank you. We're in it till the end. And when we're out of it, our support will NOT go to Senator Obama, no matter what any of the party leaders say. We don't like how this contest has been run and supported by the Democratic elite left wingers and the press and we WILL show our displeasure in November. I personally would support several black men for president, Howard Ford for one, but not Barack Obama. I will never support Senator Obama...he lies and he is an opportunist who cannot be trusted. He uses others words and he is arrogant, not to mention his left wing radical wife, Michelle. Mind your own business, Leahy. What have you done for the American people lately?

Posted by: hazwalnut | March 28, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I am a staunch Democrat, and I totally agree with Sen. Leahy that Hillary should step aside and back Barack for the nomination. Even if she wins all the remaining states, she wont catch up with Barack. This will not happen as Barack wont lose all the remaining states. Hillary can try again in 2012, but as for now, let's come behind one candidate - in any race, there is always going to be a winner and a looser, and Hillary has clearly lost this one to Barack. I am very certain that if Barack was in her position, her campaign would be screaming at the top of their lungs for Barack to drop out! The most logical thing to do is for Hillary to step aside with some dignity.

Posted by: tintin08 | March 28, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

What is truly scary is not that hillary Clinton lies when her lips move. It's that her supporters believe her. Can't anyone here think for him/her self?

Posted by: queenskid | March 28, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

The conventional wisdom that the fight between HRC & BO is hurting democrats hopes to win the general was proved wrong this week when a study showed that by continuing the primaries, each candidate is building a strong get out the vote organization in the remaining states, an advantage that McCain lacks.

We had an early choice in the last two elections - Kerry & Gore. What good did that do us?

Also, I for one would be furious if Hillary Clinton were forced to drop out. As Dean himself said, people don't tell candidates to do that. They make that decision themselves. Is it because she's a woman they are trying to tell her what to do? And what's with this Senator's popularity contest - all the male senators plus the woman from Missouri- fawning over a freshman. Hillary has 8 years in the senate. Obama has four. I think 8 is a bigger number - esp. where Obama didn't even convene any meetings on that obsure topic of Afghanistan!

IN a word I would be furious if Hillary were pressured to stop at this point.

Mary Anne

Posted by: AnneR1 | March 28, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

To the poster above re: Al Gore. Hell, I would walk through fire for the guy, but if the fella who had the election stolen from him because they didn't count the vote in Florida told me he was now OK with the Democratic party doing the same to Clinton, I would visualize a special place in Hell for him.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies |

I liked al gore but he did bend over too early. Because he listened to the DNC and quivered we got Bush, 4000 dead, 2 trillion in debt and total isolation in the world.
Al Gore was lame no doubt about it.

Posted by: hhkeller | March 28, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

regarding "try to be diplomatic with Hillary supporters:
two words: Radical Wright
two words: Tony Rezko
two words: Liar, Cheater
two words: No Bama
two words: No way

Posted by: hopendave_1999 | March 28, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

regarding "try to be diplomatic with Hillary supporters:
two words: Radical Wright
two words: Tony Rezko
two words: Liar, Cheater
two words: No Bama
two words: No way

Posted by: hopendave_1999 | March 28, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

It seems like the Edwards supporters are nearly evenly divided. A difference of $80,000 is not much to me. Looks like a tie.

Posted by: carlw1 | March 28, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Part of the Obama snow job where he portrayed Rev. Wright's paranoid rants as coming from anger that is the baggage as the legacy of of old white racism, carried by old blacks. Well, there is current-day stuff that is alive and well, carried by the young blacks, that is a lot worse than the racism, sexism and homophobic intolerance of the older generation of blacks. It's called Hip Hop, Gangsta and Street culture. It's full of racism, paranoia, anger, violence, abuse of women, sexism and a whole lot of dysfunctional antisocial expression schemes. The social psychological disordered behavior that Rev. Wright's hate-speech-as-sermons represents and coveys to blacks and supported by Obama is is alive and well in the current-day generation in Black America. It's just in a newer more dangerous carnation.

Blacks need to start taking some personal responsibility for high rate of high school drop out, sexual promiscuity, children born out of wedlock, , absence of male parenting/role models, drugs, crime, incarceration, AIDS, instead of playing the victim hood game and blaming everyone else for their plight! Until that time there will always be hate mongers & race baiter,s to use them and profit from their plight like the Rev. Wright, Rev. Jessie Jackson, Rev. Al Sharpton, Barack Obama as well as 10,s of thousands of White and Black Politicians. In fact the whole Democrat party! Hand outs, instead of a hand up, is the means of keeping Blacks down and economic Slaves! Keeping Blacks as an race of victims and believing all of the above is Whitey fault is designed to keep them from progressing instead of a race of achievers! It is in the best interest of Black preachers and Democrat politicians! Blacks will never be lead to the promise land by hate mongering Preachers like Rev. Wright or by bottom feeding Politicians like Obama that wants and works to keep Blacks in the Ghetto, on Welfare, and voting Democrat!

Posted by: american1 | March 28, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

don't quit. win or lose but don't ever quit.

I just can't believe how darn stupid those politicians are who insist this campaign end. It is not over.

The information glass concerning Obama is half full. And with more about who Obama has been kneeling in front of and listening to for the past 20 years presently coming out, I respectfully submit that you Obama folk give him a second and third thought.

Unless you've succombed to the spell of disbelief and actually think that centrist Democrats and moderate Republicans will accept this baloney Ministers been saying to Obama, his children and his wife for the past 20 years..dismiss it as unimportant and proceed to vote for Obama.

I think not.

I also keenly remember George McGovern....Just as you shall remember Barack Obama...a wonderful and very brief moment.

And you'll remember him while complaing about Pres. McCain.

really you will

Posted by: jato1 | March 28, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

WRITE2CARO, its a good thing your voting republican. Your kind of logic, conclusion jumping, avoidance of big picture issues, and frankly, less than subtle prejudice will fit in well over there!

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

WRITE2CARO, its a good thing your voting republican. Your kind of logic, conclusion jumping, avoidance of big picture issues, and frankly, less than subtle prejudice we fit in well over there!

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Here is a novel thought, why don't they both just quit, campaigning that is.

Per my previous post this is all really up to the delegates and superdelegates. We have already disenfranchised some voters and may do so with more before this is done. The prolonged campaign is resulting in both Hillary and Obama faring worse in the polls against McCain as time goes on, and they are both wasting money/time that could be spent on the general election.

Why not quit now and either have the convention early or have the superdelegate vote that some have suggested?

Posted by: IndependenceEveWonderlandBallroom | March 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Leahy can kiss my indpendent a..

I love Bill Clinton and I agree with Bill Clinton

It's guys like Leahy that are causing democrats to leave the party

Leahy needs to listen to Howard Dean and let things work thru

Do you guys rember the Chicago Democratic Convention, now that was fight

This election so far is nursery school

Posted by: lndlouis | March 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I see this race is all about who has the most money. No doubt, the Obama camp has more money and is advertising all over in Cyberspace. Choosing a president is not like buying a product. We cannot return him after 1 year. Beware buyers, if it's too good to be true, then it is.

Posted by: kcbear881 | March 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I see this race is all about who has the most money. No doubt, the Obama camp has more money and is advertising all over in Cyberspace. Choosing a president is not like buying a product. We cannot return him after 1 year. Beware buyers, if it's too good to be true, then it is.

Posted by: kcbear881 | March 28, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I see this race is all about who has the most money. No doubt, the Obama camp has more money and is advertising all over in Cyberspace. Choosing a president is not like buying a product. We cannot return him after 1 year. Beware buyers, if it's too good to be true, then it is.

Posted by: kcbear881 | March 28, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Barry Obama was for Democracy before he was against it.

Posted by: svreader | March 28, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Leahy like other Obama supporters are quaking in their boots. Hillary is not destroying the party but trying to save it from monumental embarrassment. If Sen. Obama becomes the nominee, He will not only lose the election but take down many who will be running for office.

I could not believe that Sen. Leahy could
not see the albatross hanging in his dog's neck. The Jeremiah Wright connection already doomed his candidate.

I will vote for only one candidate and that is Hillary who is strong, tenacious and the most qualified candidate.

Posted by: tim591 | March 28, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Obama's life story:

Born to polygamist muslim father and converted mother

Brought up by muslim step father and converted mother in Indonesia, country of Bali bombing

Converted to Christianity and mentored by "Black KKK" leader Wright

Funded Wright to reward domestic terrorist "Farrakhan"

Friend of "Liberal Tim McVay" Dorhn and Ayres (http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/22/15723/1610)

Other than that he is "Gandhi" or

Enemy of the state

Posted by: SeedofChange | March 28, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, tried to be diplomatic with Hillary supporters, but there's no point.

two words:
Sniper Fire.

Say hello to President McCain and your new lifetime-appointed radical-right Supreme Court.

Posted by: painint
heass97 | March 28, 2008 02:45 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let me make it even simpler. One word for you, chump.

Wright.

Posted by: Umbria | March 28, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

An Obama supporter from the get-go, my long-term (way before the campaign started) dislike for Hillary further fueled by her campaign's behaviors starting in South Carolina, make me wish her gone. But what we don't want is the kind of lingering anger and doubt left by the 2000 election, the appearance that one candidate got screwed. Hillary's supporters need to see her as out-campaigned, have to see her lose legitimately. She has indeed lost by all measures. The problem is, when her campaign keeps live the myth that she could win, all it's doing is to hand the media a continued fire-bomb to play with, one which could continue to stir up anger among Hillary's supporters as well as split the party.

Frankly, it's up to Clinton supporters to recognize this and get real. It's not easy to let go of your favorite -- and it wouldn't be any easier for Obama supporters if we were the losers. But someone has to lose. It ain't fun. But, Clinton fans, it has to be done!

Posted by: tarascon | March 28, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Operation Chaos: the universal party. Seems everyone has joined it. Except Sen. Lahey, that is!

Posted by: billmosby | March 28, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

rj2008:
We do not have to be reminded about where we live and yes we know this is a "Free country" - the fact of the matter is that no one is telling you how and whom to vote for, we are just expressing out own opinion and you have to agree we all have a right to our "own opinions". We "Obama supporters" are strong in our belief and respect our candidate for his ideals and decency, besides his knowlege and good judgement. Moreover, we are looking at issues from both sides of the pendulum. According to facts, analysis and yes polls Obama is on top, so isn't that called "winning" or ahead in the race? We are not assuming he has won it already, but the way it is going that is where he is definitely heading. At least he does not play dirty and bad mouth his opponent like she and her husband repeatedly does.

If Hillary Clinton does come out the winner in the end, then yes a great number of Obama supporters will support her, only because they are not biased and partial like most Clinton supporters are and we hope she will keep her words and not go back to default like she is so well-known for.

We are strong Democratic supporters and definitely stand for democracy first and last, voting for a Republican is not even an option with the majority of us - but can you say the same about yourself and the rest of her supporters??

Posted by: amcthompson | March 28, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Hillary lost when the Bosnia story broke. The American public has always had an inkling in the back of their minds that she is a phony, and that the Clinton's have 0 problem embellishing the truth.

Good lord people, her nusband was caught lying to a grand jury and disbarred because of it. Not to mention he called a press conference, lied, then called another press conference 5 months later to admit he lied.

The image of Hillary giving 3 speeches about Bosnia - and the total counter image of her actual trip - sealed for many voters unquestionably that her propensity for pathological lying is as strong as ever.

Posted by: smith.christopher.s | March 28, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

As a life long Republican, I have recently switch to Democrat so that I can vote in the upcoming Oregon primary. I believe this country needs a man like Obama more than ever. Hilary and Billary made an alliance a long time ago for their shared political ambition. I see nothing from the heart. And guess what, I know a number of people who agree with some of what pastor wright said. Obama has a diverse circle of friends. I like that. A well rounded, intelligent person. I am reading his books currently. Although I think Edwards would have been a better President to combat the influences of corporations in our politics (so we can stop subsidizing oil industry with paid protection in Iraq), Obama is best of the 3. McCain is 2nd best.

Posted by: peatfeat | March 28, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Of course the Washington Post is thrilled with this. They have been kissing Obama's butt the whole time. The media has let Obama skate on so many issues, it is just pathetic.

Posted by: hopendave_1999 | March 28, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Of course the Washington Post is thrilled with this. They have been kissing Obama's butt the whole time. The media has let Obama skate on so many issues, it is just pathetic.

Posted by: hopendave_1999 | March 28, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

In truth there is no realistic comparison between this campaign and a basketball game....that is it is like quitting a basketball game in the third quarter.A BB game normally and every time goes to the final bell. The nomination does not ever go to the final bell. Now haven't you been listening to Limbaugh? The Republicans want this prolonged. They WILL beat a divided Democratic party.

Because of clinton, if it becomes acceptable for superdelegates to ignore their constituancies and vote while deciding this in a smoke filled room in Denver, it will go to Clinton, the only way it goes to to Clinton. Bush,Clinton,Bush,Clinton?
The Republicans have her number.
The demoncrat nominee from the NE has consistantly lost the Presidency every year they have so selected.

Posted by: robinbishop | March 28, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

We should just seek a constitutional ammendment and put W back in the white house..

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

The fact is Hillary will end the primary season behind in total votes, delegates, and states. Hillary cannot win the nomination without A) completely destroying Obama or B) Obama completely imploding on his own. No real democrat would want either option. I really don't mind if Hillary runs on until the last primary, asks politely for the nomination, and then loses with grace--Huckabee style. But she has decided to keep throwing bombs at Obama and try to cripple him and the party. She is willing to risk the democrats losing the general election to maintain her ever-shrinking chance of victory. Only Hillary can choose option A, and she has done so to the detriment of the whole party.

Even if Hillary quits, her supporters can still vote for in the upcoming contests. They won't be disenfranchised. She has proven that she is unwilling to take her name off of a ballot. Every democrat wins that way (except Hillary).

Posted by: joseph | March 28, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

He's from Vermont. He should chill and have some ben & Jerry instead! It's not over yet. Why call this country democratic when MI and FL don't count and so many states still haven't voted. He is just another politiciam.

Posted by: kcbear881 | March 28, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

To the poster above re: Al Gore. Hell, I would walk through fire for the guy, but if the fella who had the election stolen from him because they didn't count the vote in Florida told me he was now OK with the Democratic party doing the same to Clinton, I would visualize a special place in Hell for him.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | March 28, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Leahy gave Bush a wink and nod to trample on American Justice. It's time for Leahy to resign and give the job with someone with guts.

Posted by: hhkeller | March 28, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

what exactly is it that Howard Dean did to turn you Republican? I for one am certainly confused.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 02:31 PM
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Short list:

- stripping Michigan and Florida of ALL delegates in response to actions by Republicans in those states moving dates up -- ludicrous

- clearly being one the the moronic party "leaders" to jump all over Obama like a schoolgirls with a crush instead on vetting him in a responsible manner

- claiming that the DNC couldn't afford to pay for re-votes in MI and FL now because they need to save the money to beat McCain. He said had the states asked earlier, then "sure", but now it was "too late"

- pushing for delegates to declare who they support prior to Jul 1st -- JUST WHO THE HELL IS HE TO TELL THEM TO MAKE UP THEIR MINDS BEFORE THE CONVENTION?!?!

Add his incredible lack of leadership and unparalleled stupidity to that of Kerry, Leahy, Kennedy, Pelosi, and the rest of the cast of foolish characters, and I am officially too embarrassed to be associated with them.

The party that was going to change congress and get things "back on track" was too busy holding hearings to determine whether baseball players were injecting steroids into their a$$es years ago.

I can't be associated with this cr@p anymore. I was disappointed as he(( in 2000, even more in 2004, and this is the ultimate in irresponsibility and stupidity to put forth an untested candidate with questionable judgment at best.

They are willing to lose the election just to avoid a black backlash.

Obama will LOSE to McCain one some PAC takes out an ad splicing "God Damn America" with "He's like an uncle to me."

GAME OVER!!

Aren't you sick of this bunch of jokers?!!?!?

If I don't vote Republican in the next election, I'm just not voting at all. Hell will freeze over before I vote for Obama.

Posted by: write2caro | March 28, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I WILL ONLY VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON. SHE IS THE ONLY CANDIDATE RUNNING WITH THE EXPERIENCE AND KNOW HOW TO RUN THIS COUNTRY. LEAVE IT TO DEMOCRATS TO RUN THE 1ST WOMAN AND BLACK AGAINST EACH OTHER...STUPID!!!!!!!! OBAMA SCARES THE H*LL OUT OF ME. HE TELLS US 1 THING BUT HIS ENTIRE LIFE TELLS US WHAT HE REALLY IS. IF HE WINS..I WILL LEAVE AMERICA. I WILL NOT BE RULED BY A RADICAL...HE WAS RAISED BY THEM AND IS ONE HIMSELF. HIS PASTOR LET ALL KNOW WHAT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS REALLY LIKE...CAN YOU SAY OSAMA??? CAN YOU SAY HUSSEIN??? WAKE UP AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: terri3gs | March 28, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

This has probably been in the works for a bit....
Obama campaigns to make sure Florida and Michigan can't revote. He wins...

He goes on vacation..one happy camper
I'm sure the Senators are going to be coming out with a show of hands...3 in a row...

Let them...if they really want to see the party destroyed, make sure Hillary is forced to drop out before all the votes are cast.

The Hillary supporters will rightfully feel every bit as strongly that the superdelegates stole the vote from her.

The arragance of the Dem party will make me happy to vote for McCain.

P.S. Leahy has sure done a good job of keeping Bush in check with his contitutional powers. These Senators are so worthless, they should worry about fixing the problems we face.

Posted by: badger3 | March 28, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

In the mid-1950s, Fidel Castro stated he was not a Communist. Surprise.

Cassius Clay defeated Sonny Liston. Surprise, immediately afterward he became a Black Muslim.

Barack "Present" Obama in 20 years never heard Rev. Wright say a negative thing while Barack and his family were there. If Obama is elected, I wonder what the surprise will be.

At the very least, you don't force out a candidate who has a feasible chance to win.

Posted by: rw-c | March 28, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

In the mid-1950s, Fidel Castro stated he was not a Communist. Surprise.

Cassius Clay defeated Sonny Liston. Surprise, immediately afterward he became a Black Muslim.

Barack "Present" Obama in 20 years never heard Rev. Wright say a negative thing while Barck and his family were there. If Obama is elected, I wonder what the surprise will be.

At the very least, you don't force out a candidate who has a feasible chance to win.

Posted by: rw-c | March 28, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Clinton and her minions are SORE LOSERS. I'm with Sen. Leahy: give it up, concede gracefully, and unite behind the party so we can work on defeating the Republicans in November.

Posted by: wsealsjr | March 28, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Why should anyone be suprised that Obama went to racist church for 20 years?

According to his supporters "If Obama does it, that means that it is not wrong"

Trying to reason with them is like trying to reason with a spoiled child.

Compared to Obama-nuts, moonies are nuclear physicists.

Posted by: svreader | March 28, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Wilsonmg: May I make a suggestion. Please read up on Obama's church and on black liberation theology, and then come back and we can have an intelligent conversation about the subject. Let me give you a head start in your education: Every quote I gave in my post is from the writings of James Cone, who is Rev. Wright's theological mentor. If you'd like to verify this, it is easy; just Google Jeremiah Wright and James Cone. If you are really serious about making intelligent comments about this subject, you can do what I did; buy the books written on the subject. I recommend for starters "Black Theology and Black Power," written by James Cone. As I said, once you have fleshed out your knowledge, then we can discuss the racist nature of Obama's church.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

As a life-long Democrat, I say "get off it." Obama supporters must be worried if they have to keep calling for Hillary's withdrawal. What is the problem? This is democracy in action . . . let it go! The first candidate to get 2025 votes wins. That's it!

Posted by: shirleze | March 28, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

This is becoming outrageous and staight up Stupid. No matter which candidate we think is better to be a nominee, no matter their flaws, either of them is much better for this country than Mcain. As democrats, how does it make you all feel watching TV about how a big percentage of each candidate's supporters would rather vote for Mcain if their candidate doesnt get the nod? In the mean time, you see a video of Romney and Mcain supporting eachother nomatter what their differences. That is a shameful act on the behalf of democrats. Am sure, both candidates' supporters have their own views of who started this whole mess. But, that doesnt even matter anymore. We have Mcain making all kinds of ridiculous statements and getting away with it while we are busy tearing each other apart. This year's election was supposed to be a lock up for democrats. But, it's actually showing signs of being very competitive. The republicans haven't even started really attacking us yet. Why should they, we are doing it for them. Can everybody just stop and start thinking about what kind of government we have and what kind it will be if it is Mcain. One and the same! That's right! Just few months ago, and for the past several years, everyone was talking about how this country actually ended up electing a president like Bush. Well, if we continue like this, we'll most probably be asking ourselves the same questions, except the president's name will be Mcain this time around.

This is not just the problem of the candidates. It's actually us, the supporters, who are fueling it with time. I personally dont have any problem with this nomination process going until June 3. But, I have a serious problem with us tearing each other apart on our way there. I ask everyone who reads this, and who is actually interested in better times in our country, to start focusing on Mcain rather than each other. Let's show each other that we are better than this. We can start, even if it's hard to do, by defending the candidate we are currently not supporting. All Obama supporters should defend Clinton against any ridiculous Republican attacks and all Clinton suporters should do the same for Obama. Dont shame yourselves and your future by acting immature and incapable, because you are much better than that folks.

God Bless!

Posted by: yonitecle | March 28, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

wilsonmg_2000

You are not listening to what I am saying...if your supporters are rude, arrogant and obnoxious...what do they see in you to support? Get it?

Posted by: hihomoron | March 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm shocked! A pro-Obama supporter from the Do-Nothing Democratic Congress, a Congress that has some of the lowest approval ratings in history, comes out in favor of his candidate and advises quiting to his opponent.

This man should take a closer look in the mirror. The Attorney General and the White House turn the US Attorneys around the country into political muscle and time after time after time they out maneuver this empty suit. He has no balls and absolutely no fire for the difficult battles that are sometimes necessary in politics, that's why the White House and the Attorney General ran rings around him.

He won't even fight for the American justice system. No wonder he wants to run from another fight.

Posted by: jmcauli1 | March 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic Party made the rules for Super Delegates and Seated Delegates, so why are a lot of Democrats now screaming that the Super Delegates should vote the way the seated Delegates do? It is not the way the system was set up. Deal with it.

Posted by: sandoo1 | March 28, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, tried to be diplomatic with Hillary supporters, but there's no point.

two words:
Sniper Fire.

Say hello to President McCain and your new lifetime-appointed radical-right Supreme Court.

Posted by: painint
heass97 | March 28, 2008 02:45 PM


I know. Serves them right. I miss the good old days when folks would just come out and say they just do not want a Black Man in the WHITE house. Its scares the s>>> out of them. Instead they use Rev. Wright as an excuse for their own racism. Good work. Never mind what Hagee or Parsley said. Thats all right because McCain does not belong to their Church.

Posted by: sherardg | March 28, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

The biased and heated comments of many of those who have posted here only serves to underline the desirability of settling the matter of the nomination as soon as possible. After PA, IN, and NC, I believe that whoever trails in popular and elecoral vote should have the decency to step down. I could not abide a brokered convention, especially one decided by super-delegates. I believe this would do irreparable harm to the chances of the Democratic nominee.

I personally could support either candidate.

Posted by: timothygevans | March 28, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Leahy is correct in his analysis of the eventual outcome of this campaign and of the impact of the ugly "kitchen sink" tactics Sen. Clinton is using to win at all costs. Thank goodness he is courageous enough to put these ideas out in public for all to chew on.

However, I am fine if Sen. Clinton choses to remain in the race until the bitter end. That is her right and her privilege. The numbers are clearly against her, she will be defeated, but she has the right to go on despite the logic and the odds.

What I hope is that at the end of the primaries, when Sen. Obama has more votes, more delegates, and more states than she has, that Sen. Clinton has the good sense to step aside with some grace and dignity. But if she decides to carry the desperate fight on to the convention, battling for every delegate by continuing to trash Sen. Obama then she will truly earn the scorn and revulsion of every Democrat in the nation.

The choice is up to her.

Posted by: dee5 | March 28, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

It is so distressing to be discounted. That's happening to those of us -- in the millions -- who have supported and voted for Senator Clinton before Obama even came up on the radar screen. Why? Listen, folks, in my state where independents and even Rs went gaga for Obama, when in my community our Demos meet, NONE of those Obama supporters, some of whom are delegates to our state convention, even show up. So will they vote in November? If Obama wangles himself into being the candidate, maybe for him, but for other Democrats on the state slate? I doubt it, and so much for Obama being good for Democrats.

Posted by: mariams194 | March 28, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

It is so distressing to be discounted. That's happening to those of us -- in the millions -- who have supported and voted for Senator Clinton before Obama even came up on the radar screen. Why? Listen, folks, in my state where independents and even Rs went gaga for Obama, when in my community our Demos meet, NONE of those Obama supporters, some of whom are delegates to our state convention, even show up. So will they vote in November? If Obama wangles himself into being the candidate, maybe for him, but for other Democrats on the state slate? I doubt it, and so much for Obama being good for Democrats.

Posted by: mariams194 | March 28, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Mrs. Clinton has fast become the latest national chuckle, her campaign becoming a bit of joke. In that 'what's that fool doing?' kind of way.

Hillary's Rap: "Why quit when you can cheat!"

70% of the country finds her un-Presidential. I just think she's gone mad. 35 years of exposure to power would drive any being crazy.

Posted by: robertell | March 28, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Leahy is right. Hillary should graciously *suspend* her campaign in the interest of unifying the Democratic Party against McCain. She should not flat-out *end* her campaign, and therefore should keep the delegates she's already won.

Obama should have the right to try to define himself as the alternative to McCain and the GOP. Take the fight to the enemy! Yes, there may still be unforeseen reasons why Obama cannot be elected--some horrible scandal may be uncovered, etc., etc. The point is that Hillary and her campaign should not be the ones throwing mud at Obama and trying to break him down. The more that effort goes on, the more likely we Democrats (and we independents looking for a change) are going to wind up with one badly damaged candidate and all of us hating each other. If there is something deeply wrong with Obama (as opposed to mudslinging and swift-boating), it will certainly come out between now and Denver--you can bet that the media will be out there looking for every little flaw once Obama is anointed the Democrats "prospective candidate." And of course the Republicans will do everything possible to make him look like the worst menace since Willie Horton.

Let Obama fight off whatever mud--legitimate or other--gets heaved at him by the Republicans and whatever "scandals" the media dredge up. I have little doubt that he's a strong enough candidate to withstand such stuff. Let Obama concentrate on what he really needs to do: rally the white working class, Latinos, and women back to the common cause.

By suspending now, Hillary stops the Democratic mud-slinging, while at the same time standing ready to step back into the contest should any really good reason crop up why the Democrats shouldn't make Obama their nominee. If she does this, then Hillary has an important future ahead of her as the Democrats' Senate leader. (Better that than as VP, I'd say.) Hillary will regain the esteem that I think most Democrats will grant her as a team player for whom the good of the country comes before personal ambition.

If she continues her "fight" much longer, however, she really is going to do lasting damage to Democrats', independents', and intelligent Republicans' hopes to reclaim our country from the shameful and destructive legacy that eight years of Cheney/Bush are heaping upon us.

Posted by: jm917 | March 28, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Did Obamas dealer ever get interviewed.
Was he a freebaser or just a duster.

Posted by: hhkeller | March 28, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

lichtme wrote"

Bye bye, Clintons!

You have destroyed too much, for too long.

Bye bye!


If by "destroy" you mean leaving office WITH A BILLION PLUS SURPLUS IN THE US TREASURY, UNLIKE ANY PRESIDENT IN MODERN AMERICAN HISTORY, and let me advise you, that money went to the states, where the states disbursed it in various ways to benefit YOU and more importantly, the forgotten poor and lower middle class that the Bush/Cheney crowd has no idea exists.

If THAT'S what you call "destroy" then baby, to quote the immortal Britney Spears, 'GIMME MORE GIMME GIMME MORE!

Posted by: farfalle44 | March 28, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Leahy helps of course but Al Gore would have a much bigger effect. Everybody knows he will never vote for Clinton, but he must say so. Unfortunately Al has this giant ego, and probably plans a supercolossal convention speech in August as "saviour of the nation".

Posted by: dunnhaupt | March 28, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Polls-schmolls! Obama hasn't 'won' , nor can he win on a delegate basis. Clinton has no reason to drop out. It's as much her right, perhaps more so than Obama's, to stay in the race. He's the ambitious upstart who has nothing in his head other than how to win a Toastmaster speech contest who didn't give a hoot that the country might be ready to elect a woman. So why should she give a hoot about his ambitions?
And to all the younger Obama supporters who don't think much about the opinions of seniors or boomers, why should Leahy's opinion count for anything? He's an 'old guy'.

Posted by: rrau22 | March 28, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

THEPLANNER..again, leave the idiocy and the lies aside. I am certain you can come up with an argument against Obama with out resorting to them.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Neither candidate can win at this point without the Superdelegates. Why would or should she drop out at this point?

People say that Hillary has a sense of entitlement. She is entitled - she's entitled to compete.

The Media (and Clinton-haters) have been eagerly waiting to dance on her political grave - remember pre-New Hampshire, Texas, and Ohio.

She has every RIGHT to be in this race. To bully her out would only alienate her supporters in the fall.

If you had two men of the same race competing in this close of an election, would one of them be called on to quit? Would he be subject to this kind of media and political pressure?

Posted by: dc210 | March 28, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Give up? Are you kidding me? Why doesn't he give up and endorse Hillary? Why doesn't Obama give up and bow out of the race?

Hillary is a fighter. If Obama can't knock her out, he should put so more meat on his skinny bones, instead of getting his cronies to beg her to give up.

The truth is millions of Democrats will vote for McCain if Obama wins the Democratic presidential nomination.

Jeramiah-gate has made Obama unelectable.

For the good of the Democratic Party, the super delegates should vote for Hillary after the primaries are over-- but not before.

Posted by: chapter1835 | March 28, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

It's time to tell Chelsea that the "Blue Dress" IS significant. The most noteworthy commentary in the Obama/Clinton Austin debate was Hillary's closing comment. A subtle and exceedingly well choreographed re-play of the "victim card" which has thus far been so eminently successful for her. Still again holding back the tears, Hillary inferred that she was the most qualified to be Commander-In-Chief because she "had been tested" by the public humiliation that she was forced to endure with the forced admission of Bill's Monica caper. The unfortunate truth is that in the absence of the astute retention of the infamous "blue dress", Hillary would have led the savaging-brigade against Monica precisely as she had done against Jennifer Flowers, Juanita Broderick, Paula Jones, Kathleen Wiley, etc., etc.. Of course, the by-invitation-only audience took the bait "hook, line and sinker".
The real question is do we want Hillary, the serial enabler, and Bill, the serial groper, to once again have the opportunity to scandalize the White House and the Presidency? Greg Neubeck

Posted by: gneubeck | March 28, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Neither candidate can win at this point without the Superdelegates. Why would or should she drop out at this point?

People say that Hillary has a sense of entitlement. She is entitled - she's entitled to compete.

The Media (and Clinton-haters) have been eagerly waiting to dance on her political grave - remember pre-New Hampshire, Texas, and Ohio.

She has every RIGHT to be in this race. To bully her out would only alienate her supporters in the fall.

If you had two men of the same race competing in this close of an election, would one of them be called on to quit? Would he be subject to this kind of media and political pressure?

Posted by: dc210 | March 28, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Give up? Are you kidding me? Why doesn't he give up and endorse Hillary? Why doesn't Obama give up and bow out of the race?

Hillary is a fighter. If Obama can't knock her out, he should put so more meat on his skinny bones, instead of getting his cronies to beg her to give up.

The truth is millions of Democrats will vote for McCain if Obama wins the Democratic presidential nomination.

Jeramiah-gate has made Obama unelectable.

For the good of the Democratic Party, the super delegates should vote for Hillary after the primaries are over-- but not before.

Posted by: chapter1835 | March 28, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Good grief! Calm down and get over yourselves and all the perceived slights, insults, gaffes, overlooked comments, libels, and slanders directed or imagined to be directed at either candidate.

The narcissism of small differences has never been better illustrated. Either Clinton or Obama is infinitely better than the war-without-end, constitution-shredding party in power now. Remember the goal: to defeat the Republicans in November. Don't fall into the Pastor Wright, snipers in Bosnia crap.

What was Santayana's maxim...a fanatic is one who redoubles his effort when he has lost sight of his goal? Something like that, but whatever the exact quote, it applies to the preening Obama and Clinton supporters who spew such venom at each other when the real enemy is over there.

Posted by: jrw2 | March 28, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

What country is this? Maybe someone should remind Leahy and Pelosi where they live. Who are they to tell me how to vote? As far as I know Obama hasn't won anything yet. Why are Obama supporters so obsessed? They are now telling Hillary to quit and telling Democrats you have to vote for Obama. Would someone please remind Obama supporters that we still live in a free country and can vote for anyone we choose.

Posted by: rj2008 | March 28, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, tried to be diplomatic with Hillary supporters, but there's no point.

two words:
Sniper Fire.

Say hello to President McCain and your new lifetime-appointed radical-right Supreme Court.

Posted by: painintheass97 | March 28, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

there'll not they'll

Posted by: shhhhh | March 28, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

scottinmd: Obama's connections with Wright is even more sinister than most Americans know. The "theology" that Wright teaches at his church is nothing like Christianity as most people understand it. The brand of theology which Wright has been teaching Obama and the others at his church is called "black liberation theology." Wright admits this and it is stated on the church's website. Black theology is based upon the premise of the white oppressor against the black oppressed. This is why, for example, that Wright refers to Jesus as black, and his killers as white. This is the only way the story of Jesus fits within this brand of "theology." Rev. Wright cites James Cone, another proponent of black liberation theology, as his theological inspiration. Here are just a couple of James Cone's quotes: (1) "To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people." (2) "While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism." (3) "All white men are responsible for white oppression." (4) "Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil." (5) "If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it." (6) "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love." *** These teachings are fundamentally racist and divisive. Obama has chosen to belong to this racist church for 20 years, and now because of exposure by the press, he tries to fool the American public. This issue will not be lost on the Republican attack machine.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton is nothing more than the "Democrats Mike Huckabee" with NO personality, dubious character and a plumped up resume'. I for one will vote Republican before I support her if she manages to steal this nomination; which is the only way she gets it !!

Posted by: beth24 | March 28, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Who's Bob Casey? doesnt matter, Obama's Camp can have all endorsements hed like and the liberal media for him but that doesnt change the fact that Senator Clinton is heavily favored in PA among catholics(long ago made up their minds),italians(garlic noses???),jews(???)and regular white folks (patriots). They are very worried that last 10 remaining states favor Senator Clinton beginning with PA with a "SALVO" trying to preempt (they think) buy making a splash of this endorsement by a catholic senator and the continuous drumbeat for Senator Clinton to bow out? Remember, 10 more states, millions who have not yet voted. Lets play the game and will see whos gonna come out standing,FAIR? Obama's camp and the media trying to forget their disappointment and embarrassment over TEXAS,OHIO and RHODE ISLAND when they so salivating Senator Clinton's impending demise and now here we go again spinning and spinning their impending LOSS big time in PA and where the tide is slowly changing in these coming primaries. DNC Chairman Dean said lets play it out until the last remaining primaries in June and will see. I'd say "LET THE GAME BEGINS AGAIN" Oh by the way, Rev. Wright comes up again and again and again...kudos to FOX now I can say FOX is fair and balanced...thats what i call good journalism.

Posted by: johnboiles30 | March 28, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

If Obama was found in bed with a dead girl, his supporters would say she died of happiness.

If he was found in bed with a live boy, they'd say Obama cured his leprosy.

If he blew away 19 people in a Burger King, they'd say it was justified because the fries were soggy.

Posted by: svreader | March 28, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse


To martha.a.coats ,

you stated that you would vote for McCain before you would vote for Obama. Well, I would vote for McCain before I would vote for Hillary.

Where is the sense is that????

Posted by: forte11 | March 28, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse


To martha.a.coats ,

you stated that you would vote for McCain before you would vote for Obama. Well, I would vote for McCain before I would vote for Hillary.

Where is the sense is that????

Posted by: forte11 | March 28, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Any Democrat who says in earnest that they will vote for McCain over their rival candidate deserves what they will get with 4 more years of neo-conning the American people.

It is already going to take decades to undo the damage the Shrub and his cronies have done...and more than that to pay for this god-forsaken, ill-advised and potentially illegal war.

They are crooks and scoundrels one and all. McCain--obsessed with not "surrendering" after having spent decades reflecting on and regretting his own surrender years ago--is no better.

Another hothead and a bully firmly in the pocket of other rich old white guys.

Sweeet.

Personally I think the Clintons are despicably, perversely, ambitious but if HRC gets the nomination, I'll hold my nose and pull that lever.

Being from Florida though, that chad may hang.

Posted by: gj_klein | March 28, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

All these has-beens wanting to be relevant again from the Kennedys, Leahy, to possibly Edwards, know they'll get nothing from the Clinton political machine. If Obama wins, they'll be lots of cooks in the kitchen.

Posted by: shhhhh | March 28, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Sen. Patrick Leahy prefers a "Man" who listens to hatred frequently, and may have a hidden agenda to be our next President of the United States, than a highly qualified "Woman" who we all know how she will lead. She has experience, and if we all recall we had a very nice economy while her spouse Bill Clinton was our President. During the debates I watched I saw Senator Barack Hussein Obama like a bad copy of Senator Hillary Clinton.

Sen. Patrick Leahy should review the Glass Ceiling, and the definition of prejudice to think again about who should be our next President.

Go Hillary!


Maru Angarita
My blog is: http://maruangarita.blogspot.com/

Posted by: MaruAngarita | March 28, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

scottinmd, that was just stupid, get your facts straight and be more deep in your thinking. your logic is embarrasing.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

If the Democratic leadership pressures somebody who like Clinton has a realistic chance of ending up with the majority of votes to get out, it will lose all credibility with half of its voters. As someone who has spent the last 8 years myself fuming against the thievery of the Republicans, I would nevertheless rather vote for McCain a thousand times and at least be making my own choice than have the Democratic party force one down my throat.

The way the Democratic leaders are acting towards Clinton and her millions of supporters, trying to end the game in the seventh inning while their preferred candidate is temporarily ahead, not only will McCain get my vote, he will also get my money.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | March 28, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

BREAKING: Today's Gallup Poll Daily tracking update finds Barack Obama with an eight percentage point advantage over Hillary Clinton (50% to 42%), this gives him a statistically significant advantage for the first time since before the Rev. Jeremiah Wright controversy.

Obama survived!

Posted by: zb95 | March 28, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

If the campaign continues it is an advantage to McCain and NOT Hillary. However waiting until PA to see if Hillary can pull 65% of vote is fair. If not Obama's nomination is all but confirmed.

Posted by: DrCha | March 28, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is behind in states, votes, delegates and money. Statistically there is no way for her to win the nomination except with superdelegates. Democracy? Not required and in fact a barrier that stands in the way of another Clinton presidency (dynasty?). So she is busy doing everything in her power to sabotage Obama, which ironically is more damaging to her campaign than to his.

A few days ago Hillary released a list of the ten largest predatory lenders and their contributions to Obama. What she didn't release was that just four of those lenders gave Hillary more money than the total of the Obama list (opensecrets.org). Hillary's campaign contributions come from corporations, bazillionaires, and her own very deep pockets (let's see those tax returns since 2001 - I'll bet the payoffs were outstanding); Obama's has come from ordinary citizens in tiny amounts.

The Pelosi pressure scandal, imaginary bullets in Bosnia, Reverend Wright (since when should anyone be held accountable for the words of another?), etc. Hillary's plummeting approval rating is now close to GWB's. And through it all, Obama just gets stronger every day.

Either Hillary is a liar whose only goal is the White House at any cost or she is auditioning for the veep slot under McCain. The only thing that is clear is that she doesn't give a hoot about the American people.

Posted by: natterly71 | March 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I am a staunch Obama supporter and I look forward to him becoming one of the great presidents in our nation's history.

I had originally thought that if the nomination were to be stolen from him and Hillary were to be nominated, I would simply not vote for anyone in November. I will NOT vote for John McCain or any other Republican for that matter.

However, I have had second thoughts and even though I strongly dislike Hillary and her underhanded tactics, I will vote for her in November for one very basic reason, namely, the preservation of the Supreme Court.

I ask all Americans from all walks of life and different ethnic backgrounds to please bear in mind that new justices will be appointed to the Supreme Court during the next administration, and more conservative appointments will destroy what is left of the Supreme Court. I particularly address myself to all the women out there who consider the Roe vs. Wade ruling handed down a step in the right direction. I am a man and fully support the ladies on this particular issue.

Aside from Roe vs Wade, the Supreme Court has just ruled 6-3 against International Law in a case involving a Mexican alien who was not allowed to contact the Mexican Consulate, so that adequate defense could be organized on the defendant's behalf. He was given the death sentence. Mexico appealed to International courts, which ruled in Mexico's favor and provided the international legal grounds for this man not to be put to death. This man should serve his sentence in jail, but the United States should not be above International Law. What is this, Guantanamo, Texas?

If you want more of the same, vote for John McCain.

Obama is my man, but if Hillary steals the nomination, I will have to vote for her in November solely for the purpose of SAVING the Supreme Court and the American people from the Republican party/oil industry mob dictatorship.

PS: Guantanamo should be closed and that plot of land on Cuban that Americans have claimed as their soil since the illegal Platt Amendment of 1902 should be returned to its rightful owners, namely, the people and government of Cuba. Guantanamo since 1902 has been another shoddy, shameful chapter in US history.

Posted by: RickCadena | March 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Some of you Democrats are such wimps. You are so afraid of the "Republican Machine" you were afraid of the "Clinton Machine" stating it would crush Obama. Why don't you grow a spine and start attacking the Republicans and stop being so afraid and declaring defeat. Remember all the mess they have done. No, its all this crying about poor Hillary or Obama. Any republican reading this web site will say, wow, what a bunch of Pansies.

Posted by: sherardg | March 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

The current race has tighten up considerably since the press started to do its job and the voters start to learn more about Obama. So, I have to wonder...

What would this race be like today, if the voters had gotten to know Obama better before Super Tuesday? Would Edward still be in the race?

Posted by: sallies | March 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

So, how many of these supposed 'Democrats' posting are just Republicans who want the Dems to nominate the weakest candidate? Obama is leading in the popular vote, most states won, and in delegates. if you go to Slate.com, you can plug in scenarios of the upcoming primaries and get the delegate total. Guess what? - even if Hillary wins all of the next primaries by a 10% margin - which is ludicrous - SHE"LL STILL BE BEHIND. It's over and thank God. Clinton's salacious campaign has only disgusted real democrats.

In places like Texas, Ohio, PA, Hillary is doing okay because of cross-over voting by Republicans who know she is McCain's only chance in November - and this is being encouraged by bloviating Limbaaaugh. For proof, look at Texas - she won the primary but lost the caucus by a substantial margin so in terms of delegates, Obama won Texas...

Posted by: UNLISTED | March 28, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Looks to me as if the Obmamites are worried about their position because.

-If electoral results truly reflected the need for Hillary to drop Obamites would not have to make an argument for it-it would be obvious.

-Although Hillary does not have enough delegates for the nomination most media commentators fail to note that Obama also does not have enough delegates for the nomination. Closer than your competitor is not a valid claim to victory.

-What is the point of having 51 states participate in the primary process if the later ones are "hurtful" to the democrats, why not just limit it to four or five states.

-- Posted by Ed

Posted by: edhaynsworth | March 28, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I support Obama, but I will support whoever gets the nod.
There's nothing inherently wrong with Hillary staying in the race. The problem is when you state the Republican is a better candidate than your Democratic opponent. That goes against every unwritten part rule. It should not be done, ever.

Posted by: painintheass97 | March 28, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I wonder when people will wise-up to all of these Obama-backers. I continue to be amazed that a major presidential candidate who has such close ties to an individual (and church) that spew such hateful racist remarks toward jews and whites continues to gather so much support while Hillary gets so much venom. Obama's close ties to that church and to Wright, not to mention the number of negative comments in his most recent book about white people cannot be tolerated.

If the now numerous racist/anti-American comments that obama, his wife, his pastor, and others associated wis campaign would have been made by a white candidate about any race, that candidate would have needed to go into hiding. there would have been riots in the streets. news flash folks: racism is not just directed at one race. it can be directed at whites, jews, hispanics...not just blacks.

i can only hope that white Americans would not vote for any racist candidate...
particularly a candidate that has so many ties to racist/anti-American commments. I can also only hope that all of these supporters--Leahy, Kerry, Kennedys, Richardson etc--find themselves out of a job for their continued support of someone that has truly done so much to further divide the races. i guess their white-guilt (or political agenda) is just so strong and they feel so ashamed about their race that they're willing to follow behind obama like little lap dogs while more and more of these negative comments from the obama campaign are uncovered.

Posted by: scottinmd | March 28, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

write2caro: Good for you. I feel the same way; I doubt I will ever feel the same way about the Democratic party, again. The obvious bias towards Obama with endless free passes for his mistakes/shortcomings/unsavory connections, the hateful rhetoric from many of his supporters which is directed at anyone who dares oppose his candidacy, the tacit support for the racism and anti-Americanism of Rev. Wright -- this is not the Democratic Party that I believed in. It was in Bill Clinton's presidency that I first became aware of the right wing attack machine; and I was so smug. Our party would never sink that low; our party would not disenfranchise voters just to win; our party was better than that. Well, now I'm not so sure.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Matt: Trust me on this: THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO LOSE WITH OBAMA, AND I, AS A DEM. WHO HAS NEVER VOTED REPUBLICAN, WILL HAPPILY, REPEAT, HAPPILY VOTE FOR MCCAIN, BECAUSE HE DOESN'T SCARE ME LIKE THAT RANK DISINGENUOUS, THROW HIS GRANDMOTHER UNDER THE BUS FOR POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY OPPORTUNIST COKE SNORTER NO EXPERIENCE RACIST OBAMA DOES.

IN FACT, I'LL EVEN HELP CAMPAIGN FOR MCCAIN, IF HE WANTS.

Posted by: farfalle44 | March 28, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

it is over. Obama has won. If Clinton stays in she will lose the superdelegates in a big way. Any superdelegate who has not announced for Clinton is not going to. They are going to Obama. Just look at the trend line. Clinton had what she started with and hasn't gain many. Obama has gotten new superdelegates every week. The ones that are waiting are waiting until all of the primaries are over so they can support the one who wins the most pledged delegates and the popular vote. Anyone who can do math knows that is Obama. There is no possible way for Clinton to win this . . . even if she pulls a Tonya Harding. Sen. Leahy is right . . . it is time for Clinton to get out.

Posted by: lisa8 | March 28, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Matt: Trust me on this: THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO LOSE WITH OBAMA, AND I, AS A DEM. WHO HAS NEVER VOTED REPUBLICAN, WILL HAPPILY, REPEAT, HAPPILY VOTE FOR MCCAIN, BECAUSE HE DOESN'T SCARE ME LIKE THAT RANK DISINGENUOUS, THROW HIS GRANDMOTHER UNDER THE BUS FOR POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY OPPORTUNIST COKE SNORTER NO EXPERIENCE RACIST OBAMA DOES.

IN FACT, I'LL EVEN HELP CAMPAIGN FOR MCCAIN, IF HE WANTS.

Posted by: farfalle44 | March 28, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

The Dem's better be careful what they wish for. Obama is a good looking guy but he's a light weight incapable of anything other than meaningless lofty speeches - they'll wish for Hillary come October. Hillary is nasty but at least she has substance.

Posted by: parlan | March 28, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

I propose that Hillary run for the presidency as an Independent. She will win. Let's start a movement!

The game is pretty clear now. The Party Elders, the press, and others working behind the scene are determined to give the nomination to Obama. That explains why Obama was chosen to run now. But this game carry a very high risk for the nation.

Posted by: scmontero | March 28, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

It is still too earlier to ask her to quit. There are still almost half of superdelegates who have not made the decisions yet. If they think Obama is a much better candidate, then they should come forward to endorse Obama. If there are a large number of superdelegates announcing the support for Obama, then Clinton must and will quit.

It is hard to know who is a better candidate. In a general election, Clinton will have advantage over Obama in swing states: Florida, Michigan, Penn, Ohio, etc., while Obama will have advange in Iowa, Virginia, Colora, etc.

Posted by: tgwei | March 28, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Who wants a president that would allow his children to be exposed to racist and anti- American rhetoric in church no less. Sure would have liked to hear him explain that to the kids.

Posted by: sandoo1 | March 28, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama's life story:

Born to polygamist muslim father and converted mother

Brought up by muslim step father and converted mother in Indonesia, country of Bali bombing

Converted to Christianity and mentored by "Black KKK" leader Wright

Funded Wright to reward domestic terrorist "Farrakhan"

Friend of "Liberal Tim McVay" Dorhn and Ayres (http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/22/15723/1610)

Other than that he is "Gandhi" or

An enemy of the state

Posted by: SeedofChange | March 28, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

The problem with a senior senator patrick leahy is that his advice is biased because he is a declared supporter of sen. obama.
it is ironic that an experienced person like him is advising to declare the results in the THIRD QUARTER OF A BASKET BALL GAME.
the more biased advice is given more difficult it will become for dems. to unite.
i remember words from gen. colin powell -that dems. don,t know what they are doing.
senior leaders suggest that super delegates should follow the wishes of voters. if that was there job then there was no need for them. it is better to have no superdelegates than having stupid ones.
all senior dems are endorsing the losing candidate in their states. ifeel GEN> POWELL WAS RIGHT. eITHER SENIOR DEMS SHOULD WALK THE WALK OR KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT AND LET THR CAMPAIGNE TAKE ITS OWN COURSE.
bhagwan deol. los angeles

Posted by: bhagwandeol | March 28, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

To all who say they'll vote for McCain if their democratic candidate doesn't win the nomination: Please explain the logic in a choice like that. I want to know how any democrat in good conscious could vote for McCain with so much at stake in this election. How could you vote for a candidate who's positions on key issues is totally opposite of Barack or Hillary? What sense does that make? If you people are going to be childish about it, at lease write in your candidate or waste your vote on Nader. Voting for McCain would be a mistake. Do you think Obama will vote for McCain if Hillary is the nominee? Of course he won't. Do you think Hillary will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee. Of course she won't. Grow up people.

Posted by: yrba1977 | March 28, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

sorry, that last message was for write2caro

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Having written to Hillary to urge that she remain in the contest until all votes have been counted, I disagree with Leahy. The democratic process should not be undercut by Leahy or the Democratic Party, which is the greater problem, as I see it. The Democratic Party needs to eliminate its institutionalized vote suppression as evidenced by reliance on many state caucuses that systematically preclude participation by all who cannot attend meetings at prescribed times and places (with no absentee ballot option available), such as older people, those who are ill, caregivers, workers who must be on the job, those whose closest caucus is miles away and transportation is nonexistent, and people who are just plain afraid to go before their neighbors to argue for their candidate. The Democratic Party should also revise its plan to preclude recognition of votes cast in Florida and Michigan, since Obama's campaign actively prevented adoption of alternative means to allow for revotes. If these votes are not counted, the Democratic Party will be demonstrating its lack of support for democracy, and the voters will be disadvantaged even though they had no control over the process. If Obama's words mean anything in terms of results, he cannot legitimately claim he truly will represent all in his plan for America if it is based heavily on institutionalized vote suppression through state caucuses and deliberate exclusion of votes cast in two major states.

Posted by: bjbprice | March 28, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

The sad thing is that the diehard Clinton supporters truly believe that Hillary has a chance of legitimately winning this nomination. Clinton's only chance is to destroy the democratic party. Fortunately for the Clintonistas out there, Clinton is willing to do that. Unfortunately for the rest of us, Clinton is so good at underhanded tactics, unethical behavior and downright lying, she won't even bat an eye while she's screwing us all.
And, by the way, shouldn't the Commander-in-Chief know the difference between a sniper and a little girl with roses?

Posted by: SueB2 | March 28, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the commenters here are pretty astounding.

The internet makes people bold, eh?

Posted by: a1231 | March 28, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Cantabrigian,

Your arguments add up to talking about how good a game a baseball team is likely to play after having lost the first 4 games of the World Series. It doesn't really matter who would be pitching next or whether the star players for the other team are suddenly injured. There's really no point to playing the other 3 games no matter what might happen.

Posted by: JacksonLanders | March 28, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I am a big fan of Senator Patrick Leahy (Dem.) of Vermont, and because of that I forgive him for making the above suggestion that my candidate Senator Hillary Clinton should drop out of the race.


I realize he has probably been out camping and hiking among those beautiful mountains and lakes up there in Vermont, and has been out of touch with some of the news and is not up on some of the the recent developments in the Presidential primary. No problem, let me bring him up to date on a few key matters. There's time.


In Pennsylvania, we have our primary on April 22nd, and we are hoping to rack up a minimum 20% voter win by Senator Clinton over Senator Obama.


Let me bring Senator Leahy up to date on some of the polling information we have from Quinnipiac University Polling Group as follows:


Quotation: "March 18, 2008 - Clinton Widens Lead Over Obama In Pennsylvania, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; Momentum Shifts To Her.


The momentum in the Pennsylvania Democratic primary battle has shifted back to New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, who now leads Illinois Sen. Barack Obama 53 - 41 percent among likely primary voters, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.


This compares to a 49 - 43 percent Sen. Clinton lead in a February 27 poll by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN uh-pe-ack) University. In that survey, the momentum was with Sen. Obama who had narrowed a 52 - 36 percent gap from a February 14 poll.


In this latest survey, the split between black and white voters grows. Clinton has widened her lead among women likely Democratic primary voters and narrowed Obama's lead among men. Subgroup numbers are:


White voters go with Clinton 61 - 33 percent, compared to 56 - 37 percent February 27.


Black voters back Obama 76 - 18 percent, compared to 69 - 23 percent February 27.


Women back Clinton 59 - 35 percent.


Men go 48 percent for Obama to 45 percent for Clinton, compared to February 27 when men backed him 50 - 43 percent.


"The momentum is clearly Sen. Clinton's as she firms up her traditional coalition of women, white males, non-college, rural and older voters in Pennsylvania. Her endorsement by Philadelphia's black Mayor, Michael Nutter, is cutting slightly into Obama's overwhelming edge among black voters, but clearly the split among black and white voters is growing," said Clay F. Richards, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute.


"Sen. Clinton leads in the bellwether Philadelphia suburbs by almost the same margin she leads statewide," Richards added. "And don't forget powerhouse Gov. Ed Rendell is putting all the king's horses and all the king's men into the Clinton campaign. Anything can happen in this crazy, unpredictable Democratic race, but right now, the Big Mo is on Clinton's side."


The economy is the single most important issue in their Democratic primary vote, 48 percent of likely voters say, while 23 percent list the war in Iraq and 18 percent list health care.


Looking at the qualities they most want in a candidate, 37 percent of Democratic primary voters want a strong leader, while 23 percent want someone who is trustworthy; another 22 percent most want someone who shares their values and 11 percent want someone who can win in November. Those looking for a strong leader back Clinton 62 - 34 percent, while voters who want someone trustworthy support Clinton 49 - 43 percent.


Voter Concerns:

Pennsylvania Democrats have a number of concerns, including:

82 percent that the U.S economy is in a recession;

70 percent are "very worried" or "somewhat worried" about being able to afford health care;

67 percent are "very worried" or "somewhat worried" about a major terrorist attack.

From March 10 - 16, Quinnipiac University surveyed 1,304 Pennsylvania likely Democratic primary voters with a margin of error of +/- 2.7 percentage points. The Quinnipiac University Poll, directed by Douglas Schwartz, Ph.D., conducts public opinion surveys in Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Florida, Ohio and the nation as a public service and for research. For more data -- http://www.quinnipiac.edu/polling.xml


So Senator Leahy, I wanted to bring you up to date on the above news. In Pennsylvania we are doing fine; but of course we are working hard to get a massive turn-out there on April 22nd.


I do thank you for your interest, and please know, that me and my family love Vermont, and we also think you are a great Senator.

Thank you.
Common Sense 12

Posted by: CommonSense12 | March 28, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's slim chance of winning this thing was blown away by the Bosnia sniper lying fiasco. Her biggest weakness has always been questions about her credibility, integrity and trustworthiness. Those concerns were completely upheld with video documentation of her bald-faced lies. Few will trust anything she says anymore.

Posted by: zb95 | March 28, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I really don't understand the people who say if HRC wins I will vote for McCain or if Obama wins I will vote for McCain.. Do you listen to what he wants to do...stay in a Iraq, bomb Iran...come on people I will vote for whoever the Dems pick even if its not my person.

Posted by: matt16 | March 28, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

First, let me make clear that I hope that Senator Obama wins the nomination.

However, if both he and Senator Clinton believe in democracy they should support the decision being made at the only place it should in a free society - at the ballot box.

They should both stand up an offer to split the cost of new primaries in Florida and Michigan four ways with the DNC and the states picking up one quarter each.

On the other hand, I'd rather see Gore at the top of a ticket with Obama as VP any day.

Posted by: Flip1228 | March 28, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

LEAHY IS EXPOSING HIMSELF AS THE JERK HE IS. VERMONT? WHERE IS IT AND WHO CARES?

Posted by: tahirn | March 28, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

write2caro

i too e mailed the dnc regarding the same issues, but now I am an independent

i just can't seem to get behind the republicans

i am just not voting

my other reason for not supporting the democratic party any longer

33% of democratic males said they "would never vote for a woman"

soooooo - i'm out

Posted by: lndlouis | March 28, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

LEAHY IS EXPOSING HIMSELF AS THE JERK HE IS. VERMONT? WHERE IS IT AND WHO CARES?

Posted by: tahirn | March 28, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Bye bye, Clintons!

You have destroyed too much, for too long.

Bye bye!

Posted by: lichtme | March 28, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Clearly Leahy is a has been. And he is clearly a "Give up" kind of guy. So that's one reason that his input should be ignored.

2. Obama has had an easy ride with the press. They are not looking for bad things in past, because they are afraid of what they will find. He needs to be challenged longer by Clinton so he doesn't walk away with it untested. I agree with the things he said about race and admire him, but let's face it. He was "duped" by his pastor and church when the signs of some very serious "bad thinking" (like in the church bulletin) was pretty obvious. Excuse me but Obama has ridiculed other candidates for the same "lame excuses". More than once in this campaign his explantions have been pretty weak.

3. Before he is handed this thing on a silver platter he needs to be "tried" a little.

Posted by: mphelan1 | March 28, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

hhkeller, what exactly is it that Howard Dean did to turn you Republican? I for one am certainly confused.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

meldupree: The DNC and most of the media has already begun to circle the wagons around Hillary, many months ago. It is an amazing testament to her strength and fortitude that she could withstand the forces of media bias and institutional opposition, and still be running a candidacy which is virtually tied with Obama in the popular vote. Without such advantages, Obama's campaign would never have gotten off the ground.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Sore losers in sports blame the refs, and in politics they blame the press.

This was Hillary's nomination to lose, and that's what she's done. Stop blaming the press and let's move on to the General Election. Hillary can still play a significant role in making things better, but not if she rips the party apart and opens the door to 8 more Republican years.

Posted by: sw7104 | March 28, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Can people stop writing that they'll vote for McCain if Clinton or Obama is the nominee? There is no bigger Clinton critic than I, but I'll absolutely vote for her in the general election if it comes to it. I realize this is just a tactic by many supporters to drive home the notion that their candidate is the only one who can unite the Democratic Party and win in November, but still. If you're actually a Democrat, you'll support the Democratic nominee no matter who it is. Otherwise, we'll get Bush Jr. in there, and we'll have no one to blame but ourselves.

Posted by: ManUnitdFan | March 28, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Maybe George Bush's people should have his and Dick Cheneys images softened a little. Perhaps Cheney could serve tea and cookies and smile for the camera. Get a grip, we want a president not a social chairperson.

Posted by: sandoo1 | March 28, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Maybe George Bush's people should have his and Dick Cheneys images softened a little. Perhaps Cheney could serve tea and cookies and smile for the camera. Get a grip, we want a president not a social chairperson.

Posted by: sandoo1 | March 28, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

If Sen. Clinton is pressured into withdrawing from this contest by politicos
who support Obama I, for one, will not
support nor vote for Obama. These so-called
experts and the MSM media need to take a
deep breath and get a grip. There are many
more contests to go, and Hillary Clinton
has deep, deep support from mainstream
Americans like me.

Posted by: lydiafinkelstein | March 28, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

hihomoron...this is what I mean...you read the posts of people on the washingtonpost and decide that you don't like a candidate. I'm not calling you dumb, but that is certainly not a logical way to come to a conclusion about someone.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Senator Leahy---shut up and step aside! There are millions of Hillary supporters who want her to win the nomination. The race is still a close one. It's all the Democratic rules to fault by having disenfranchised the millions of Michigan and Florida voters and by having such stupid party rules as splitting the delegates in state primaries instead of winner takes all. All these dumb rules have set the stage for a close and protracted contest. We have to stick with it to the end and not give up the fight until the entire process is over with. It's not over until it's over. Senator Leahy does not appear to care or respect the millions of voters who are still supporting Senator Clinton! Shame on you Senator Leahy!!

Posted by: paintsnprints | March 28, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Please tell us who are these powerful supporters who warned Ms. Pelosi. These people just outed themselves as part of the problem. Entitlement. Vested interest. The best government money can buy.

We need one Pat Leahy per day til Senator Clinton gets it.

Posted by: GaiasChild | March 28, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

So the "big" boys are now telling us whom we can vote - for the "good" of the party! I ask for who's good?

I am not at all sure that I want another Jimmy Carter in the White House for four years - even if he is an African American version. I have no such Liberal guilt. The presidency should not be a consolidation prize!

Posted by: dotto | March 28, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Anyone want to read the email I sent to Howard Dean today after this article??
--
Howard Dean,

You, and your insistence on taking this election away from the voters in favor of (someone who is obviously) your candidate are the ultimate embarrassment to Democrats in this country. I can no longer be associated with such ineptness and lack of judgment.

Thanks to your actions during this election so far, and to those of other party "leaders", I feel I can no longer support this party.

My family has been Democrat literally for generations. You have done what no one else has been able to do my entire life: make me a Republican voter.

Congratulations.

Posted by: write2caro | March 28, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama doesnt have enough votes either so whats the rush. Most democrats dont really like him that much. Winning caucuses doesnt represent squat.


Clinton could pull an AlGore / John Kerry and drop out early. This should go all the way to the floor of a convention and Leahy should do his job finally and investigate the Republicans for the crimes against humanity.

Posted by: hhkeller | March 28, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

nsd219: That's exactly what they said about Bush before his first try at the White House; he seems like the kind of guy you could sit down and have a beer with. Look what that got us. And, did you think he would come across any other way? To quote Sade, Obama is a very "smooth operator."

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey Leahy! Why should Hillary drop out of the race??? Why don't you resign from your senate post???

Hillary is the hell of a fighter our country needs. Keep up the fight Hillary.

Posted by: micretek | March 28, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I think the rich Clintonistas' thug letter to Pelosi was the last straw for the Democratic Party; there may be blood in the water and the DNC will begin to circle the wagons around Obama. Senator Casey's endorsement of Obama has certainly not helped the Clinton campaign. This is getting real interesting . . . stay tuned . . .

Posted by: meldupree | March 28, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Is Sen. Leahy off his meds. or something? For god's sake man, shut up! Your ignorance is showing-there is LOTS OF LIFE YET IN THIS TOO CLOSE TO CALL NOMINATION!

Posted by: farfalle44 | March 28, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

goldie2:

If the Clintons have determined THIS is her one and only shot at being President of the United States, I can understand staying in it all the way to Denver.

Posted by: JakeD | March 28, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is officially in the underground bunker pushing around nonexistant army units on a map as the Obama army closes in...

Posted by: jeema | March 28, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: You could be right; we will see. However, another issue is the extent to which Obama is vulnerable to the Republican attack machine. If they thought that the swiftboat issue was good against Kerry, just wait until we see 24 hr. videos of racist and anti-American rants by Rev. Wright; exposes about Obama's connections with Weather Underground founder, William Ayers; Obama's connections with Rezko who is now on trial for corruption; Obama's flip flops and "misstatements" about everything from NAFTA to a single-payer health plan. Obama is already having a hard time with Hillary Clinton; just wait until he has to face the Republicans. It won't be pretty.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I watched the view this morningand I was touched by Obama's interview. He seems to be quite honest, beleivable and thoughtful. I would sit down and have tea with him anytime. Hillary comes off as a very cold person. She reminds me of a warrior/pitbull. Maybe her people should try to have her appearance soften a bit.

Posted by: nsd219 | March 28, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

As an Obama supporter who is also a minority let me say what I think Clinton supporters need to hear Obama say to Rev Wright. BTW if there are staffers here feel free to give Mr. Obama this to use

Dear Reverened Wright,

As an enthusiastic Obama supporter, I just want to say with all due respect...SHUT UP! Please just SHUT UP! Your continuous rants do nothing to help Barak. You are a distraction. If you wish to spit your Jerry Falwell like hatred...do it in a tape recorder so you can be the only one to hear you. If you are the person who led Barak to Jesus well then follow that same path back to him and take some of the hate out of your heart. Being divisive has never solved anything anytime anywhere for anyone. You give a free pass for racist to get on this board and spit all their hatred for minorities because you think you have a right. Nobody and I mean nobody has a right to denigrate anyone from any race PERIOD. Overcome not sink down. Jesus did it and so did I. People listen when you speak with your heart not for your heart. Think about that one.

Have a great day!

Scrappy

Obama 08!

Posted by: scrappyc20001 | March 28, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama is CORRUPT, a LIAR, and his slogan of change an ILLUSION.

1) CORRUPT: A houseowner wants to sell both a house and adjoining land. Obama can afford to buy only the house. No problem, the criminal Rezko to the rescue. Rezko pays full price for the land, whereas Obama gets a discount of $300,000 on the house. Nice to have criminal friends like this!!! (ref ABC News)

2) LIAR: Obama claims he did not know about Wright's America-hating (God damn America) and racist views till it was revealed in the mainstream media in March 2008. Obama attended Wright's church for 20 years, was married by Wright, had his children baptized by Wright, donated over $20,000 to Wright's church and named his book "Audacity of Hope" after one of Wright's sermons. You really believe after 20 years and all this he did not know?

3) ILLUSION: Exelon Corporation had not disclosed radioactive leaks at one of its nuclear plants in Illinois. Obama, a senator for Illinois introduces a bill to make disclosures mandatory. Seems like Exelon doesn't like it. Each draft of the new bill by Obama goes more and more towards Exelon till disclosures end up being "voluntary". What gives? How about $250,000+ donations by Exelon!!! Obama is not change, he is WASHINGTON BUSINESS AS USUAL. (ref NYT)

People need to realize that Hillary has been fighting for them all along. All the way back to 1993 when she tried to introduce universal health care.

Posted by: jayjunk3 | March 28, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Neither Clinton or Obama are my first choice in this race. But, the more I read from Obama supporters, the less I like him and them. That said, I will never vote for any Republican.

Posted by: hihomoron | March 28, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be amazing if they decided to run together on one ticket!! Think about the possibilites that would create? 8 -16 years of Clinton & Obama cleaning up affter the horrific actions of the bush administration, would be a godsend! The republicans are eating up this fight between Clinton & Obama with great excitement. Democrats, progressives, and people with hearts of compassion need to be wise, and support the Democrats period. Both Hillary & Obama are amazing, intelligent, and courageous people. Personally, I think Hillary should be President, and Obama VP.....we need to think about our children and our children's children...

Posted by: kristybennett | March 28, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is fond of crediting her mother in making her a fighter. Too bad her mother missed another lesson she could have used over the years. The art of surrender.

Posted by: AverageJane | March 28, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

I should add that Democratic Party officials are free to lobby superdelegates to support the presumptive nominee, in hopes of giving him a formal victory sooner.

As for the people saying all the votes should be counted, that's nice, but Obama will officially have the majority of the pledged delegates if he takes half in the next three states. The results of subsequent contests would only pad his margin of victory. In other words, Hillary has no way of winning the vote; she can only rely on the party elders who her supporters are now complaining about.

Posted by: davestickler | March 28, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Clinton supporters might want the race to go on, but if Clinton wants to save her reputation as someone beneficial to the party, she may want to make a different decision. She is, if nothing else, a smart politician. What is she gaining politically from a bitter battle? Nothing. Even if she suspends now, if something should happen in the meantime to Obama, then she could step in before the Convention to save the day, and people would feel better about her for having shown common sense. There is nothing now that makes the party feel good about her and her negatives are just going higher. I think she should step back and be ready to step forward into whatever role she is needed for. This road she is traveling is political suicide.

Posted by: goldie2 | March 28, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Democrats should want the remaining voters to have a chance to voice their choice or is that not necessary since the press (cable and print) thinks they get to choose. Surely Obama supporters would want everyone to have their legal say on this. NM went for Hillary and Richardson goes for Obama so MA went for Hillary does Obama get the Kennedy votes....how does that work....democraticly? Democrats aren't tired of the campaign, the media wants to tell us what we are tired of and I am tired of the media!

Posted by: owedixHANA | March 28, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm just impressed that Hillary has the courage to keep campaigning with the threat of imaginary snipers ever-present.

She is truly the Greatest American Hero.

Posted by: OverworkedUnderpaid | March 28, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

With all the "accidents" which happened to the friends, supporters, officials, etc... of the Clintons during the 90's, would Obama really risk having Hillary as a vice president?

Posted by: johninfresno | March 28, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Clinton supporters might want the race to go on, but if Clinton wants to save her reputation as someone beneficial to the party, she may want to make a different decision. She is, if nothing else, a smart politician. What is she gaining politically from a bitter battle? Nothing. Even if she suspends now, if something should happen in the meantime to Obama, then she could step in before the Convention to save the day, and people would feel better about her for having shown common sense. There is nothing now that makes the party feel good about her and her negatives are just going higher. I think she should step back and be ready to step forward into whatever role she is needed for. This road she is traveling is political suicide.

Posted by: goldie2 | March 28, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Put a stake through the vampire's heart !! Let's finally bury the two-headed monster's Presidential aspirations and hope that they crawl out of public life and back to the purgatory of narcissism, entitlement, deceit, spin and slime from whence they came.

How did these two dirtbags EVER rise to such positions in American life ??

Posted by: dan1138 | March 28, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should gratefully get out of the race before it is too late. If the Demoncrat does not win back the Whitehouse, Hillary and Bill are to blame.

Posted by: HoaLu | March 28, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Clinton supporters might want the race to go on, but if Clinton wants to save her reputation as someone beneficial to the party, she may want to make a different decision. She is, if nothing else, a smart politician. What is she gaining politically from a bitter battle? Nothing. Even if she suspends now, if something should happen in the meantime to Obama, then she could step in before the Convention to save the day, and people would feel better about her for having shown common sense. There is nothing now that makes the party feel good about her and her negatives are just going higher. I think she should step back and be ready to step forward into whatever role she is needed for. This road she is traveling is political suicide.

Posted by: goldie2 | March 28, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Other problems for Hillary:

-- Reports are she is running out of money with massive debts she has not made public yet, plus her main donors are tapped out.

-- The Bosnia sniper lying fiasco calls her integrity into question even more than it already was.

-- Casey endorsement practically eliminates the possibility of any massive blow-out win in PA which is what she needed to have any slim hope of turning the tide.

-- Texas will be declared a win for Obama after the caucus delegates are officially awarded at the TX state convention tomorrow.

-- All polls are all headed up for Obama and down for Hillary even after Obama had one of the toughest weeks a politician can imagine.

-- Reports out there that many more superdelegates are about to endorse Obama.

-- The media is started to pick up on the improbability of Hillary even making it close and that her only hope is to "kneecap" her opponent.

Posted by: zb95 | March 28, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Also, all those who want to focus on whether Clinton exaggerated some story or whether Obama should be held accountable for his pastors words are the very reason I became an independent. Both Democratic and Republican voters constantly miss the point of everything and instead spend their time having unintelligent arguments about simple-minded topics. Seriously, grow up, I know high school kids that understand the meaning of a presidential race and the politics involved better than some of the people that post here.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

My 86 year old Hillary supporting mother said "ditto" to what Vice President Buckshot said to the good senator a few yeras ag.

BWHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: bolis | March 28, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Interestingly enough, Clinton's stand is "Let all the people vote!!!----of course, once they do vote and we have delegates pledged according to the outcome of those votes---well, pledged delegates are fair game. They don't have to stay with the person they're pledged to".
This is democracy? This is Clinton's idea of let every vote count? She just wants to buy time to buy the nomination.

Posted by: SueB2 | March 28, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

All these posters who will vote McCain if their candidate looses should go ahead and admit they're republicans. What are they thinking? That they are punishing the winner? How childish is that? Think of our country, and our party, not your hurt little feelings, geez, get over yourselves and grow up!

Posted by: fnlorrain | March 28, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

It's Hillary's right to remain in the race as long as she'd like. It's also the right of Democratic officials to point out that the continuation of the primary is damaging to the party, and that Hillary's only strategy for getting the nomination is to attack the most likely nominee until he bleeds.

It's their right to ask her to go. She doesn't have to listen, but it's their party too, and they should have a right to defend it against what they see as threats.

Posted by: davestickler | March 28, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Its ridiculous to suggest that someone should withdraw from an election that is not yet decided and where they have close to half the votes. The time to talk about a Clinton withdrawl is when enough superdelegates have declared a choice that makes it possible to count with certainty the votes that Obama needs for victory. Anything else makes a mockery of the Democratic process.

Posted by: dnjake | March 28, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

I am voting for the Democratic nominee.
Quitters never win and Winners never Quit!
Go Hillary!!! Barack is an Obamination, but he is ours.

Posted by: sandoo1 | March 28, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

The Obama activists, that is, the extreme left wing of the party (MoveOn, Democracy for America, DailyKos, Keith Olbermann etc) are threatening to do to the Democratic Party what they did to us in the Connecticut Senate race. They got Ned Lamont to beat Lieberman in the primaries only to see the former get wiped out in the real race. Now, since I don't care much for Lieberman I tought that was rather cute. Big mistake. I had no idea how malicious these guys are. Their sunny fronts like Politico and MSNBC are trying to shut Hillary down. I say to all those who have been penalized for fighting tough battles. To all those who have paid their dues only to see a cute, ambitious upstart stroll in and steal the show. To all those who favor substance over style. To all those who have had to work so hard only to see the tall and young and good-looking get the credit. To all those who are sick of seeing hard earned experience get wiped out by "charisma". To all of you: MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO HILLARY RIGHT NOW.

https://contribute.hillaryclinton.com/form.html?sc=2390

Posted by: Umbria | March 28, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Everyone clamoring about their constitutional right to vote should remember that it does not exist, in the primaries at least.

The primaries are a private (i.e. not government) process set up and controlled by the national parties. If they approved it they could probably have the nominee picked by a game of rock, paper, scissors.

As far as being disenfranchised, the delegates (and per Hillary super or regular) can vote any way they wish. So if a candidate can get the delegate vote who cares what the public wanted. So the process has the potential of disenfranchising all the voters. (For example Gore's comments .

""If it goes into the convention, don't be surprised if someone different is at the top of the ticket," he told a Florida newspaper, adding Gore could be that choice."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/28/gore-hopes-dem-race-will-resolve-itself/

Hillary is apparently pursuing this in Texas and has made the statement several times.

"Hillary Rodham Clinton's Texas campaign is challenging the seating of delegates from numerous precincts for Saturday's Democratic county conventions, particularly in Barack Obama's strongholds."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/28/6743/74922/196/485932

Add to this FL, MI and the clamoring for Hillary to quit and it becomes clear that the primary process is not really guaranteed to be a democratic process, luckily it just works out that way most times.

Posted by: IndependenceEveWonderlandBallroom | March 28, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

theplanner:

Many more FIRST TIME participants that he is attracting will stay home and be turned off from the Democratic Party for a generation. Don't misunderestimate those 50,000-person rallies.

Posted by: JakeD | March 28, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Hope Hillary stays in the race. Obama's people want her out simply because she brings up to many "inconvient" questions. Appears that many in the party want to give him the nomination on a "silver platter", with little or no questioning and Obama seems to think that what he deserves.

Posted by: sibwalker | March 28, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

To the People of Pennsylvania:

People like Joe Scarborough keep saying the blue collar white male workers would not vote of Obama. Is he saying that all blue collar worker are stupid and prejudice? I certainly don't think so. I grew up in Philly and know how the jobs left and the people had to fight for good jobs causing racial friction. Obama mentioned the plight of blue collar workers and understands they are getting screwed too, not just minorities.

Joe and others like Hannity and O'Reilly want you to be angry at Obama painting him as a racist and vote for Hillary so they can defeat her.

The Republicans want to eliminate unions (remember Reagan?) and send jobs overseas and keep this war going for corporate profit. I think Obama should not state that he will end the war in 16 months though but he has a better chance of bringing the world in on this. The polls stated that he has the best chance of uniting the country (perhaps the world in time).
Look at how the campaigns are being run. Obama's campaign has bee fiscally sound with little debt. Hillary had to borrow money, and owes millions in debt and so is McBush's. That tells you something about how the economy will be run. Don't just look at the man or his race, but the people working around him and not his pastor. Remember, the FOX boys have noting to fight with but race and fear. Hillary has proven to be unreliable emotionally and loyal to the party. It has already been exposed.
People of Pennsylvania, lets end this infighting and vote to end this. Don't vote for McBush as a protest vote, you are only damaging yourself and don't vote for Hillary because you are only prolonging the inevitable.

Posted by: sherardg | March 28, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe that any democratic voters should be disengfranchised and I doubt that is what Senator Leahy is trying to do. I think the point he makes, which actually loses some of its thrust because he is an Obama supporter, is that it is mathematically speaking, very unlikely that Clinto will be able to bring the contest to a draw before the convention. That is a simple fact.

All the posturing about "what if she wins this" or "she is leading in that state" ignore the simple fact that, statistically it is unlikely. I am not saying this because I support either side...it is just a reality. Therefore, she is essentially betting that she can convince enough superdelegates to overturn the delegate vote. That event, if it occurs, is what many Democratic leaders want to avoid. I think that, quietly, they are beginning to realize that fact and the fact that superdelegates overturning the vote would be a major PR problem for the democrats and could cost them the election.

Posted by: wilsonmg_2000 | March 28, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Leahy represents logic and rationale, while Hillary has been driven mad by 35 years of power.

Talking to crazy people is hard.

Posted by: robertell | March 28, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Sheesh - we've blown it again. I wonder sometimes if we even WANT the White House. I'm one of the 28% of Dems who won't be voting if the nomination goes to Senator Obama. Why even bother? I'm sick of wasting time at polls when elections can't be won.

Posted by: rgs_tnr | March 28, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

jaked: The same poll said 19% of Obama supporters would vote for McCain.
svreader: Right on!

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

The idea that she is somehow responsible for dividing the party by continuing her run is silly. A lot of things have divided the party this election, including Rev Wright and Obama. Whether you like Hillary or not, I think it takes courage to keep running when the odds are against you. It is lame to pressure any candidate to give up and quit.

Posted by: screwy3690 | March 28, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Bravo, Sen. Leahy, one of the truly decent public servants out there. Mrs. Clinton needs to put her ego in check and drop out, for the good of the nation.

And to bcohen05: Go ahead, be smug and vote for McCain. And when one of your loved ones is shipped off to Iran to fight in what surely will be an even bigger disaster than Iraq, don't whine about it. You'll have only yourself to blame.

Posted by: vegasgirl1 | March 28, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

She should tell him the same thing Cheney did .

Posted by: borntoraisehogs | March 28, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Imagine if there was a call for Obama to withdrawl in the same circumstances.
it would be RACISTS calls all over the place.

The race is a tie.
If Leahy feels that harm is happening to the DNC, he should beg his candidate to DROP OUT.

Posted by: newagent99 | March 28, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Imagine if there was a call for Obama to withdrawl in the same circumstances.
it would be RACISTS calls all over the place.

The race is a tie.
If Leahy feels that harm is happening to the DNC, he should beg his candidate to DROP OUT.

Posted by: newagent99 | March 28, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

thetruth31: You said -- Since when do Democrats excuse racism even in small sound bites? I agree, and this short little sentence of yours speaks volumes about the Democrats who act as apologists for Rev. Wright's hate speech, and soft pedal Obama's 20-year relationship with this man.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Saw a comment on a "caucus" solution for Florida and Michigan. That's unfair as it would favor Barack Obama greatly. His supporters have all but mastered this format and it does leave out millions of voters. Leahy's suggestion is insulting as it makes the entire Democratic National Party establishment look like they really have orchestrated this process for Obama's benefit. We still do not know enough about Obama. The right wing is having a field day on the Internet with stuff that is not being picked up at all by the national press. In November, this stuff is going to be the nail in the coffin for the Democrats. Hillary Clinton should make her own decision about if or when to get out of the race. The Senator from Vermont should be drumming up a national sentiment to elect a Democratic Congress in November ---this is so critical and the party elders, including Elder Leahy, have pretty much been silent on this issue. Nothing will get done without a turnover in the House and Senate, with meaningful majorities, not the gridlock majority we have now. As a lifeliong Democrat, I called Sen. Leahy's office and also emailed him today to lay off Hillary Clinton and let the big upcoming primaries go as planned. I'm soo disappointed in the party, which has been our family's party for 3 generations. This move by Leahy takes the cake.

Posted by: Mandelay | March 28, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

If Obama was found in bed with a dead girl, his supporters would say she died of happiness.

If he was found in bed with a live boy, they'd say Obama cured his leprosy.

Its a very bad idea to fall in love with a politician.

They'll break your heart every time.

People who support Obama ignore all the warning signs, and all the evidence, just like the people who selected Bush did.

Its like watching a car-crash in slow motion.

I have no doubt that if Obama gets the nomination, the press will wake up the following day.

And America will wind up with President McCain.

For the good of America, I hope Hillary stays in the race and soundly defeats Barry Obama.

If Barry Obama becomes the candidate, he will be defeated by a landslide.

Obama supporters are doing for Karl Rove and the Republican party what Rove and the Republicans could not do for themselves.

Democrats are not only shooting themselves in the foot, they doing it with a Bazooka.

To err is human, to really screw things up takes an hoard of well intentioned kids who have no idea who their leader really is.

They just love a parade.

Posted by: svreader | March 28, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I have voted for the Dem nominee in every Presidential election since 1988. There is no chance in hell though that I will vote for Obama if he is the nominee instead of Hillary, but will choose McCain instead. Obama is simply not qualified to be President, and I believe he has been playing the race card as much as Hillary. The Rev Wright debacle is icing on the cake in my decision. I for one cannot wait to see the first Republican ads featuring Wright and Obama.

Posted by: bcohen05 | March 28, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

If she drops out, it will be the best. If not, she needs to stop her kitchen sink attack. Clintons have done well for the DNC and now they are practically destroying it. I am a fan of Bill Clinton but surely not a fan of Hillary.

Posted by: omolll | March 28, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

This is the beginning of the end for HRC.

Posted by: zb95 | March 28, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

If the Clintons could stick to the high road, I would be fine with their continuing with this run.

Unfortunately, I am reminded of the story of the "Scorpion and the Frog" (if you are unfamiliar with it, I recommend you read it).

The Clintons have run a campaign, starting in New Hampshire, which I had hoped to never see run by a Democrat, especially against another one.

In the story I mentioned above, the Clintons would be the scorpions, and I fear the Democratic Party and perhaps even the country is the frog.

Not only do I think Obama is the best candidate by far, I think his election will have particular historical significance. And, how we will look to the world will change, positively, overnight, after he is elected.

This is an opportunity for our country and the world we simply can't afford to pass up.

Hopefully, the Clintons will put the breaks on the need to win at all costs. And, this campaign can continue in a way that will make us all proud.

But, if they can not, indeed, they should get out now.

--George

Posted by: george25 | March 28, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

theplanner:

How many Obama supporters do you think will vote for McCain (or just stay home instead) if she steals the nomination from him?

Posted by: JakeD | March 28, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS UNELECTABLE. A recent poll suggests that almost 30 percent of Hillary Clinton voters will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee. Add it up; McCain gets almost all of the Republicans and almost 30 percent of the Democrats. Thank you Obama, and your ruthless, deceptive and race-card playing tactics, for helping elect John McCain as President of the United States.

Posted by: theplanner | March 28, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

starfish10:

While I would personally prefer Laura over Hillary, even I have to admit that Laura's never been elected to anything, let alone U.S. Senate. Do you realize how many GREAT Presidents we've had who entered office with LESS political experience than Hillary DIANE Clinton? That's not the part that bothers me ; )

Posted by: JakeD | March 28, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

I WOULD RECOMMEND OBAMA'S SUPPORTERS TO READ THIS ARTICLE ABOUT HIS DECEPTION AND DISHONESTY http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_none_080328_barck_obama___the_wi.htm

Posted by: utworcurious | March 28, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

When some swiftboating 527 starts playing spots showing how Obama's spiritual adviser, Rev. Wright, gave LOUIS FARRAKHAN a LIFETIME ACHIEVEMENT AWARD two years ago and as a result we have John McCain as our president we can thank the likes of Leahy. Since when do Democrats excuse racism even in small sound bites? I'm embarrassed and disgusted by the Farrakhan connection, and there's no speech that will cover for this one in the general election, nor should there be.

Posted by: thetruth31 | March 28, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

BABucher:

Have you SEEN some of the ugly characters "supermodels" date these days?!

Posted by: JakeD | March 28, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary is qualified for the presidency based on her years as first lady, and her somewhat faulty memory about what went on during those years, then can we expect the repubs, next time around, to nominate Laura Bush?

Why not? Laura is a lot more popular than W. and she has all that EXPERIENCE.

Sheesh...

Posted by: starfish10 | March 28, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary is qualified for the presidency based on her years as first lady, and her somewhat faulty memory about what went on during those years, then can we expect the repubs, next time around, to nominate Laura Bush?

Why not? Laura is a lot more popular than W. and she has all that EXPERIENCE.

Sheesh...

Posted by: starfish10 | March 28, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I for one prefer Obama. However, I thankfully have two hands. Thus, if Hillary is the eventual nominee, I will go to the polls to vote for Hillary and pull the lever with one hand while holding my nose with the other.
She is a known faulted candidate. While he may be too, I'd rather take that chance that he's not cut from the same cloth.

Posted by: birdies605 | March 28, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Sens Leahy, dodd, kennedy's, kerry's and the liberal media can go to HELL as far as we are concerned. Why don't Leahy send his children and his family to Obama's church to hear "God Damn America" or to accuse the US of inventing and injecting AIDS virus to the black community? Obama is deceitful, calculating, and playing the race card to get the nomination. Where is Leahy's JUDGEMENT, HONESTY? I Didn't think he was such a DUMB person. How can Obama run on transparency, honesty, change and unity when he coddles corrupt and idicted characters like slumlord, Rezko and terrorists who bombed the Capitol Hill and the Pentagon? How can Obama subject his children to the vile and racists sermons of pastor Wright? How can Obama deceive people by surrounding himself with American flags during his speeches when he does not respect them? He does not sing Allegiance to the American Flag nor puts hand to his heart. He tells us that he is against NAFTA and then sends his adviser to the Canadian Embassy to tell them that it is all election posturing? How can Leahy and other Obama's supporters reject Madrassas in fundamentalist countries and remain silent to Obama's church that preaches hatred and destruction of America? DID LEAHY AND OTHER SENATORS USE THEIR JUDGEMENT WHEN SUPPORTING OBAMA?

Posted by: utworcurious | March 28, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Can Obama win the general elections without carrying the "worth less" states of Michigan and Florida?

Posted by: mandy2 | March 28, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: About as possible as it is for me to date a supermodel. Basically, I'm not going to bet the farm (or $5 even) on it.

Posted by: BABucher | March 28, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

squintz:

No need to level personal attacks against anyone posting here. I'm sure if you calmly pointed out that he took a whole 2 1/2 day "long weekend" to be with his family, no one would complain about that.

Posted by: JakeD | March 28, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Cantabrigin said:
Very little analysis by the press of Obama going on vacation because he believed his nomination was wrapped.

It was EASTER and he has TWO LITTLE GIRLS to raise. Moron.

Posted by: squintz | March 28, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Leahy -- like Richardson - is just trying to "pile on" and push Hillary out. I think it's disgusting the way the Obamabots don't want the remainder of the voters to have the opportunity to vote. Nor do they want Florida and Michigan voters to even count.

I hope Hillary resists these premature calls to concede. This race is not over, and the so-called "party elders" need to back off! It's still only March, for goodness sakes.

Posted by: 1986JD | March 28, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Leahy -- like Richardson - is just trying to "pile on" and push Hillary out. I think it's disgusting the way the Obamabots don't want the remainder of the voters to have the opportunity to vote. Nor do they want Florida and Michigan voters to even count.

I hope Hillary resists these premature calls to concede. This race is not over, and the so-called "party elders" need to back off! It's still only March, for goodness sakes.

Posted by: 1986JD | March 28, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Leahy -- like Richardson - is just trying to "pile on" and push Hillary out. I think it's disgusting the way the Obamabots don't want the remainder of the voters to have the opportunity to vote. Nor do they want Florida and Michigan voters to even count.

I hope Hillary resists these premature calls to concede. This race is not over, and the so-called "party elders" need to back off! It's still only March, for goodness sakes.

Posted by: 1986JD | March 28, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Leahy -- like Richardson - is just trying to "pile on" and push Hillary out. I think it's disgusting the way the Obamabots don't want the remainder of the voters to have the opportunity to vote. Nor do they want Florida and Michigan voters to even count.

I hope Hillary resists these premature calls to concede. This race is not over, and the so-called "party elders" need to back off! It's still only March, for goodness sakes.

Posted by: 1986JD | March 28, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Leahy is a dodgy old fool and should try to behave like an elder statesman instead of playing dirty politics for Obama. What has Obmai promised him?

If anyone should drop out it should be Obami, the most inexperienced, divisive candidate to roll around in decades. Except for giving pretty speeches, he is Mr GQ, just like Patrick Deval, both Aexlrod products, who use the race card and white guilt to their advantage.

Obami is the most disingenuous ambitious politician in this campaign season.

For the good of everyone, he should apologize to the Clintons for his insulting remarks, apologize to the American people for wasting their money and time and take all his endorsers along with him.

Posted by: alee21 | March 28, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

We live in america and we are going to throw a candidate out of the race because we want our guy to win.These are Obama supporters who want HR Clinton to bow out so Obama will win...This is not the way to go. We are telling other countries that a fair election means let the voters decide who they want to lead their country. I don't want A senator, congressman nor a gov. telling me who should drop out of a race.Supporters of Obama stop trying to take away our rights and my vote.Remember this was how George got in the whitehouse. He didnt want voters votes to count either.

Posted by: cyndieshen | March 28, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

And it's not about Obama supporters not wanting to count votes, it's Obama supporters wanting to prevent Hillary from completely losing it and going nuclear on the Democratic party itself.

Posted by: BABucher | March 28, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

And take Bill with you.Put him back in the suitcase. Did anyone see the article about Rice responding to Obama's race speech?

Posted by: majorteddy | March 28, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Leahy should tend to his own backyard. This election is about so much more than hope and inspiration. I don't want Hillary to get out because I think she's right on most of her points.

You can't lead on hope and the promise of a better country. At some point, you have to show your cards, and Obama hasn't done that.

I can guarantee that if Obama is the nominee, I'll vote for McCain.

Posted by: Tonylnbv | March 28, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Please take notes of the FACTS below when trying to understand why many feel Clinton ought to depart the race...

1) Obama's lead is strong enough that to obtain 2,025 delegates he would need only ~45-48% of remaining delegates (sry, don't have the specific #s in front of me).

2) Hillary would have to win ~65% of all remaining delegates to get to 2,025. The only state where she won by a comparable margin is Arkansas. (shocker). While this is statistically possible, it is logically an impossibility.

3) In Michigan in particular, EVERY democratic candidate BESIDES Clinton demonstrated their commitment to the Michigan vote by boycotting and removing their name from the ballot when they were stripped of their delegate count. And NOW suddenly Clinton's the saint of Michigan?? I don't buy it. She knows she can't win for the reason above and is backpeddling at every step.

4) Obama is ahead in fund raising, the popular vote, the delegate count, and number of delegates. This seems to somehow be underplayed.
P.S. - might I add every part of Obama's lead comes from the support of everyday people. Total delegates, not a few "super"delegates and an unprecedented %age of small contributions, not big ticket doners, etc.

So basically HRC's only realistic chance of winning is via superdelegates and without the popular vote. That's basically how GW Bush won his seat (in the general election) and look where that got us. Why take the same chance with GW Clinton?? (the former young republican)

Right now the concern is that we need to ensure we get a Democrat in the White House. We have 1 Dem nominee with every sign but 1 pointing to a win and 1 Dem nominee looking to trip things up enough to win via a technicality. Meanwhile we have THE Repub nominee touring the world acting like the next President. We really need to get moving here... So...


As far as Sen. Patrick Leahy's statement, he basically just came out and said what half these blog posts have been saying for the last couple of weeks... OMG! A politician that says what the people think!!! Wait... isn't that what they're actually supposed to do???

Posted by: jencm | March 28, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

BABucher:

So, you admit it's still possible for her to win the nomination, right? That's the difference between her and Huckabee -- McCain already has the number of delegates needed to win -- why not just let the 10 remaining contests go on?

Posted by: JakeD | March 28, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

If Senator Clinton were to follow Senator Leahy's advice to quit the race, it would be even more beneficial to her than to Senator Obama.

Senator Clinton's campaign, by either choice or necessity having turned desperately vitriolic, continues to drive down her esteem with the public. If allowed to continue to its inevitable end, mimicking the spastic reflexes of a road-killed reptile, she will not only damage the Democratic Party, but destroy her own political future and further tar her husband's already precarious legacy.

Fairly or unfairly, any path she has to the nominaton will be regarded by many as illegitimate. A nomination under such circumstances is valueless to the recipient and a liability to the party which bestows it.

Posted by: Stonecreek | March 28, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

The reason Democrats are starting to treat Hillary like Mike Huckabee is because given the number of pledged delegates left in the remaining 10 contests, Hillary would have to win each by HUGE margins - 25% or so - to overcome Obama's lead. And given current polling and the saturation of each candidates' message (meaning most people have made up their minds at this point) - that's just NOT going to happen....

(The only way it would happen is with a bruising, catastrophic fight between Clinton and Obama, which would most likely make Clinton damaged goods for the general election this fall anyway.)

Posted by: BABucher | March 28, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

cyndieshen:

Thank you!

Posted by: JakeD | March 28, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

marthadavidson:

Perhaps you missed your candidate on "The View" this morning saying that if Wright hadn't retired in December, he would have left the church. Don't you believe him?

Posted by: JakeD | March 28, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Well this is another Obama supporter saying...dont count the votes end this and let Obama be declared the winner.Well they figured out that George Bush got in the whitehouse that way so lets use that tactic for our guy. That right out of the Republican playbook. If we do that then who is deciding the choice...the americans who vote or the strong arm tactics of Obama supporters. In america we give all the voters the right to select their choice of who they want to lead this countryisn't that what we tell other countries....FAIR VOTING OR IT DOESN;T COUNT..

Posted by: cyndieshen | March 28, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

ABC's Jake Tapper reported on an unnamed Democratic Party official saying that it's not a question of *if* Clinton can somehow secure the nomination. The question is -- what will she have to do in order to achieve it? The official's answer: She will have to "break his back," to destroy Obama and make him completely unacceptable. "Her securing the nomination is certainly possible - but it will require exercising the 'Tonya Harding option.'" the official said. Read full story here - http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/dnc-official-cl.html).

As the Clinton campaign spins Obama as actually being the reprehensibly negative player in this competition, and the media swallowing and regurgitating the most incendiary non-issues, (consider today's self-righteous "all I know is that if it were me personally, I would have left that church), I fear for the future of Obama's campaign, of the Democratic party, and the United States. I'm afraid we can't take another two months of the destructive Clinton ambition machine. Please contact the Democratic National Committee (http://www.democrats.org/page/s/contactissues) and let the party leaders no that we can't waste any more time; the train is nearing the bridge that's out, and it takes a lot to stop that kind of fateful momentum. Super delegates must decide *now*, not in August, to swing behind the best candidate in our generation so that the Democratic Party can look forward to the general election in November and beyond.

Posted by: marthadavidson | March 28, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Did Murtha take money from Saddam Hussien to make that visit to Baghdad he made before the Iraw war started?

Posted by: ChunkyMonkey1 | March 28, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

When the Clinton's 2006 tax returns are released we will see the following:

1. Bill would have claimed that he donated his worn out underwears to charity, and would have taken a big deduction claiming they were worth more since they were presidential.

2. Hillary would have taken a tax write off for her pantsuits since she thinks she needed them just to look presidential and it only helps the American people that she wears pants. That will be a big tax write off.

3. Hillary would have claimed tax deduction for the medication she had to take to get rid of the nightmares she got from the sniper attacks in Bosnia.

4. Another write off to defend the right wing conspiracy.

At the end we will see that the Clintons have claimed so much tax deduction write off as for charity, when in fact they are stashing all that money in the Caymen islands.

Posted by: ChunkyMonkey1 | March 28, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

robert_felice:

The newspaper today had a poll with 67% of registred Democrats actually want the contest to completely finish before declaring a winner. Where are you getting your information?

Posted by: JakeD | March 28, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow! I go golfing for the morning, and look what happens. Why doesn't Patrick LEAKY Leahy want the voters to cast ballots in the 10 remaining contests?!

Posted by: JakeD | March 28, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

FACT: Hillary has for 8 years been given alot of power due to Bill's previous 8 years in the White House. FACT: Most democrats want the Clintons to go away - far away. FACT: Most democratic leadership are tired of the Clintons continued meddling in in politics. Solution: Superdelegates need to support the voters are send the Clintons into retirement y backing the leader - since some SD's have already acted it would not be out of line for all of them to act immediately. Precedent has already been set.

Posted by: robert_felice | March 28, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Make that "turn a DEAF ear, not tin, Martha. You never said in what you believe -- just that you don't want "Obama forced on you" and "bad things are coming out about Obama and his 'friends.'" If Obama is the nominee, will that be "forcing him on you?" Gad, it makes no sense to vote for McCain. McCain's policies continue Bush -- ineffective tax cuts, massive spending on war, ineffectual management of our own country, Supreme Court nominations that undercut Choice, keeping alive the cronyism of the conservative Republicans. Scary! Really scary!

Posted by: gailen | March 28, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

The stars are aligning. And it isn't for Clinton. We're fed up with politics as usual. I was not an Obama supporter, but this campaign--mainly Hillary's approach to it--has led me to support Obama. He's the right person to lead America, and he's demonstrated it repeatedly during this campaign.

So, who's up for talking about Obama's potential running mates? Bloomberg, anyone?

http://www.cafepress.com/wetnoodle

Posted by: radiocboy | March 28, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Leahy - hopefully the first of many. The democrats should be using thier energy to pummel McCain, not each other. Hillary is wearing the yoke of low credibility and high dislike. No matter how you look at it, she has been showing her "true" face and Dems dont like it.

Posted by: nclwtk | March 28, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

As for the subject of the article, why is Sen Obama so opposed to allowing everyone their vote?

Posted by: zukermand | March 28, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

First, let's get one thing out of the way. I support Obama and right now I feel like I would boycott the election rather than vote for Hillary.

But Hillary has a right to fight this out to the end. I'm not worried about Obama or Hillary getting roughed up in a bare-knuckled fight. This is politics. If Obama can't take the heat, I'd like to know that now before he faces the Republican machine. Conversely, if Hillary can't effectively brush off the B**** and W**** mud and media bias then we need to know that since we ain't seen nothing compared to what the Reps will do.

To play devil's advocate about the damage of a fight to June, I think Dems have an advantage with two strong nominees on the center stage with only one Republican. That means 2 Dem speeches on the economy, Iraq, etc for every 1 Rep speech. That can give Dems an exposure advantage if the Obama and Hillary can put more energy into attacking Republicans and their standard-bearer McCain.

Finally, at the moment, I feel like I will would never vote for Hillary (or Billary as I think of her). The thought makes me nauseas. But come November, I'm voting Democrat no matter which one is on the ticket -- even if I have to take a vomit-bag with me. We need a change of party after suffering 8 years under the thumb of Republicans who have made a full-on assault on our civil liberties, have engaged in Rambo-foreign policy, and have doled out tax breaks to the rich (themselves) instead of following responsible fiscal policies that consider the long-term economic health of our country.

Posted by: e2holmes | March 28, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Leahy is behaving as a partisan. Whether or not I agree with him, that is his right. Mr Balz's contention: "Even if most of what is said on those calls is quickly lost to history, their fevered nature enlarges the gulf that eventually will have to be bridged once there is a nominee" is entirely a matter of opinion. One with which I happen to disagree. I don't think it's appropriate I know Mr Balz's opinion on anything. I do wish he'd stop giving it when he's supposed to be working.

Posted by: zukermand | March 28, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic nomination process is a game to get the most delegates leading up to that 2024 magic number. What the Uncommitted Superdelegates should decide is how to help keep both campaigns on track and off personal attacks? If any candidate or campaign goes negative, one uncommitted superdelegate is awarded to the other. This will force the Clinton camp to try to stay positive, and for the Obama camp not to retaliate against the Clinton camp.

Simply telling the campaigns to "chill out" is not working so well.

Posted by: ajtiger92 | March 28, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Can't help but feel there's something, maybe a lot of something, coming out of Hillary's belated release of her tax returns on April 15. Why would she wait this long to release returns from 2006 and before, for God's sake. When it turns out that she and hubby are such revolting multi-millionaires, it will be harder to accept her moving identification with the poor meanderings. Let's have those tax returns, and maybe,even, the gift list for the Enshrine Clinton library.

Posted by: gene9 | March 28, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Cantabrigian,

Obama proposed a Caucus for both of the races which would have been fair since independents/republicans that cast their votes thinking the dem primaries were for nothing would NOT be disenfranchised and would be able to vote in the caucus. Hillary flat-out refused this notion.... so who is disenfranchising who exatly?!

Posted by: jkallen001 | March 28, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I am really baffled by the "time for the party to unite" logic of Leahy and Richardson. I would think that the party would want the candidate who is most likely to win. Is the party sure that is Obama? There are some serious gaps in his support that run counter to the Democratic base. Isn't that a red flag? Isn't more vetting a GOOD thing?
Besides, if he is the nominee, he can put his inspiring and uniting skills to work and ultimately bring the party together ... right??

;)

Posted by: echo2 | March 28, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

martha,

your post doesn't make any sense at all.. you are clearly an Clinton supporter so why even say "I for one would like to have a chance for it all to play out in time, before I decide whom to cast my vote for?"

your last McCain line belies your entire post.

Posted by: jkallen001 | March 28, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Very little analysis by the press of Obama going on vacation because he believed his nomination was wrapped. Very little analysis by the press of Obama's position to refuse to discuss Michigan and Florida votes. Obama held stead-fast, claiming the votes be distributed equally between him and Senator Hillary Clinton. Can you imagine how the press would have hammered this story if this was Hillary's tactic?

Posted by: Cantabrigian | March 28, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Due to many societal reasons the press has been supporting Obama's campaign. Here are two examples; 1. According to Obama he never heard any of Pastor Wright's sermons that were posted on You-Tube. Go figure - the media would have battered Senator Hillary Clinton and her family if they would have attended that church for 20 years! THE MEDIA TURNED A TIN EAR TO OBAMA'S CLAIM? 2. The Post headline for Shailagh Murray this morning. It could have been, "Obama will get the support of Senator Bob Casey Jr. who still carrys a grudge from his father's rejection in 1992." Or, "Obama trails with the endorsement of only one Pennsylvannia Senator." Or,"Polls show Clinton favored to win with the support of Gov. Ed Rendell, Philadelphia Mayor Nichael Nutter, and veteran Rep. Jack Murtha." The proof is in the press!

Posted by: Cantabrigian | March 28, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

davesticler:

There is a lot of race left yet to be ran, and niether candidate will reach 2024. There is so many bad things coming out about Obama and his "friends" that I for one would like to have a chance for it all to play out in time, before I decide whom to cast my vote for. That ia my right to choose, not have Obama forced on me. If that happens, I vote McCain.

Posted by: martha.a.coats | March 28, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

davesticler:

There is a lot of race left yet to be ran, and niether candidate will reach 2024. There is so many bad things coming out about Obama and his "friends" that I for one would like to have a chance for it all to play out in time, before I decide whom to cast my vote for. That ia my right to choose, not have Obama forced on me. If that happens, I vote McCain.

Posted by: martha.a.coats | March 28, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Ummmm.....why is everyone treating Hillary like she is Mike Huckabee, the race is extremely tight, she is leading in PA, looking good in IN, and might even be able to pull off a suprise in NC. This is purely manufactured by Obama supporters that are afraid if this race goes on it will show his weaknesses to an even greater extent.

I am fine if Obama is the leader in pledged delegates and popular vote coming out of the primaries in June to then hand the nomination to him but when the woman is literally only 120 delegates behind and around 67% of all Democrats want the race to continue, why should she stop? I am glad Howard Dean, unlike Pat Leahy, who has never been a presidential candidate, respects Hillary's dedication to this country enough to not force her out of the race until all the people have voted.

Posted by: EJC5 | March 28, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

He's pretty much right. There's virtually no way that Clinton wins the nomination, and the dialogue in the race right now is extremely damaging to both Democrats. From the perspective of trying to get a Democrat elected, the best thing that could happen right now is if Hillary drops out.

Posted by: davestickler | March 28, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

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