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Clinton Lead in Pa. Dwindles

By Jon Cohen
Hillary Clinton's Pennsylvania lead has dwindled to six points, according to a new statewide survey of likely Democratic primary voters.

With two weeks to go until the crucial April 22 primary, a new Quinnipiac University poll finds 50 percent of likely voters supporting Clinton and 44 percent backing Barack Obama. Three weeks ago, Clinton was 12 points ahead of Barack Obama in the poll; in late March it was nine points.

Clinton's lead, however, may be stronger than the apparent movement suggests. Support for the New York senator has been steady in the 49 to 53 percent range in each of Quinnipiac's polls since Super Tuesday. Almost all of the changes have come from varying percentages of Obama voters.

Since mid-March, Obama has narrowed Clinton's advantage among women, white voters and economy voters, and made strides in the central and southeastern parts of the state. Among women, Clinton's 13-point lead is down from 24 points, and her 15-point edge among those prioritizing the economy is now just four points.

Nevertheless, as many Pennsylvania voters now rate Clinton favorably (71 percent) as said so when her lead was twice the size. And Obama's positive rating is up slightly over the period, to 67 percent.

Also of note in this season of highly variable pre-election polls is that while the Quinnipiac poll is one of the most reliable covering Pennsylvania, the data should not be read as a prediction two weeks out (no poll should). All pollsters conducting interviews until the eve of elections this year have stumbled, with many mischaracterizing the momentum of particular candidates.

Posted at 2:35 PM ET on Apr 8, 2008  | Category:  The Pollster
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"Obama2008 (6:22 PM) You didn´t listen! Barack Obama (during the Foreign Relations HRG) at the end really asked if "status quo" in Irak would be a "success enough"!

Posted by: Elisabeth | April 8, 2008 6:30 PM

Funny you mention that Elisabeth,, I was watching with a repub buddy of mine who also thought it was a dumb question.
I disagree, what the Sen. was speaking to (he started by explaining that it was a rhetorical question) was the frustration in congress that we're constantly moving the bar in Iraq, as to what will be considered a "success".

He was trying to pin down some sort of "acceptable" level of violence, at which point we can suspend daily combat patrols, and redefine our mission in a sensible way.

If our policy is to keep this war going until Iraq is at peace, we're never going to leave.

If our policy is to stay until radical islamist groups can't recover upon our exit, we're never going to leave.

If our policy is to keep the country occupied till people stop shooting at us, we're never going to leave.

If our policy is to support the Iraqis till they've got enough troops to maintain the current level of violence, (with less direct involvement of U.S. forces)
then we might just get to leave.

It isn't pretty, but face it, Iraq is going to be a violent, unstable place, for a long time.
They might need to have their own war, without our meddling, we did back in the 1800's, it wasn't pretty, but it did have an end, where whats going on now has none in sight.

Posted by: Fred L. | April 10, 2008 10:39 AM

I'm sorry BD, my last post about the "gutter ball" should have gone to "farfalle" not you!

Posted by: Briskwood | April 9, 2008 4:14 PM

(To BD) Just a thought! If you'd have watched Ellen last week, you'd have seen Hillary bowl a "gutter ball" also!

Posted by: Briskwood | April 9, 2008 3:59 PM

To JakeD and others who want to know how many Black voters will vote for Hillary if she "steals the nomination":

It is hard to say because we have to consider that 1) Hillary insulted the Black community during her campaign via comments made by Bill and her supporters (including ones in these threads), 2) we are aware that we could remain in Iraq indefinitely if McCain was elected, 3) the Clintons are fodder for the Republican machine and probably have a lot of ammo to attack them is she is the nominee and 4) Black people are sick of racist tactics whether they are employed by Republicans or Democrats.

I would consider voting for Hillary to get our soldiers out of Iraq once we rebuild the infrastructure we destroyed during our invasion but I am not sure she would.

Posted by: wetheridge | April 9, 2008 2:43 PM

Her and Bill beat the crap out of the VRWC twice.

How about that one.

Posted by: | April 9, 2008 12:05 AM

Whats VRWC?

Posted by: gs | April 9, 2008 8:39 AM

To treetopflyer | April 8, 2008 5:16 PM

I appreciate your response. You are one of the few posters writing logically and intelligently. Most people have a problem with the Wright issue. Unfortunately, people who did not want to vote for Obama because he is black and Wright gave them an excuse not to. Kind of like reverse racism. At least you are considering the issues pro and con before making your decision.

Posted by: GWS | April 9, 2008 8:37 AM

Will someone from the Hillary camp please tell me what you see in her....I'm not a fan of any of the candidates - but I'm dumbfounded how one can support an individual that has been countlessly caught lying..

Posted by: John | April 8, 2008 4:45 PM

I wonder that too. I am dying to hear this.

Posted by: | April 8, 2008 4:49 PM

Her and Bill beat the crap out of the VRWC twice.

How about that one.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 12:05 AM

I guess the government intervention I would like to see


is the enmasse arrest of the Whitehouse crewe and the suspension of payments


to


Halliburton

KBR

DynCorp

Blackwater

Bechtel

Carlyle Group


and their subsidiaries until the gomers aka "pigs with their snouts in the trough of public funds" aka friends and family members of the bush and associates


are financially seperated from those companies and the books have been examined.

I would also like to know if the flow meters taking out of IRAQI OIL PIPELINES by Paul Bremer have been replaced or if


bush and friends are draining IRAQI OIL w/o keeping records of it and passing it off as SAUDI OIL ????? or KUWATI OIL ???


where are the records ???

where are the papers that Saddam was keeping when he was captured that were immediately classified that showed collusion with George H.W. Bush and Donald Rumsefeld....that would get them shot ???


I am all for a shooting, a public execution of some Whitehouse officials tha thave been found guilty of treason and dispatched


for our viewing pleasure.....can I get an amen?


.

Posted by: your best friend.... | April 8, 2008 11:54 PM

GEORGE OPENS HIS MOUTHS AND SAYZ......


___________PUT IT IN________________

GEORGE BUSH ON HIS KNEES IN THE WHITEHOUSE GIVING AND GETTING BJ's from $200/hr PROSTITUTE ????


George Bush and this man James Guckert (a.k.a. Jeff Gannon) - a $200/hour gay male prostitute? (See Monday's expose by John Aravosis of AmericaBlog.org)

Sooner or later, Washington will have to ask: Did George W. Bush Have Sex with That Man, James Guckert?

On January 26, George W. Bush called on Guckert/Gannon at one of Bush's rare press conferences, "bypassing dozens of far more experienced reporters" according to Joe Strupp of Editor & Publisher.

I guess that depends on the meaning of "experienced."

This was not Guckert/Gannon's first time near Bush. Guckert/Gannon was at other Bush press conferences and was called on by Bush once before. Moreover, Guckert/Gannon went to the White House nearly every day for nearly 2 years. Each time he went, he got specific permission from Scott McClellan's White House Press Office. And Guckert/Gannon went to Bush's White House Christmas Party.

How did a $200/hour gay male prostitute get near George W. Bush nearly every day for 2 years?

Don't tell me the Secret Service didn't know Guckert/Gannon's background. It took amateur bloggers at DailyKos about 5 minutes to find out Gannon owned male prostitution websites, and just two weeks for Aravosis to find out he was a $200/hour PROSTITUTE !!!!! I guarantee Scott McClellan and other top White House officials knew exactly who Guckert/Gannon was. According to RawStory.com, McClellan himself has been spotted at gay bars.

So how will the American people learn the sordid truth about Bush, the White House, and Guckert?

The Lying Right-Wing Media (LRWM) won't ask the question. According to those brave News Hounds who watch FOX so we won't have to, Gannon/Guckert's name has never even been mentioned on FOX. Just imagine the wall-to-wall coverage on FOX if this had happened in the CLINTON White House!

But we'll ask it - and we'll keep asking it until we get the truth.

Did George W. Bush - and/or other top White House officials - have sexual relations with that man, James Guckert?

Lest you think this is an absurd question, I'll refer you to the widespread rumors that Bush had a long-term sexual relationship with his Ambassador to Poland ("don't forget Poland!"), former Yale classmate and Knoxville Mayor Victor Ashe. As with every other Bush scandal (AWOL, Bulgegate, Harken Energy, etc.), the Victor Ashe scandal has been blacked out by the LRWM.

I'll also refer you to widespread rumors that GOP Chairman Ken Mehlman is gay. Why has DNC chair Howard Dean been put under a microscope by the LRWM, but not RNC chair Ken Mehlman? Surely a party which used homophobia to "win" the 2004 elections should explain how it could tolerate a gay chairman at the same time as it militantly opposes gay rights?

Finally, I'll refer you to the "call boys" scandal of the Reagan-Bush White House, which made the front page of the Washington Times in 1989. (Thanks Necco!)

Last week, we posted a petition for a Special Prosecutor for "Jeff Gannon." (So far, we've collected nearly 8,000 signatures - please sign it if you haven't yet.) Reps. Louise Slaughter and John Conyers asked Plame-gate Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald to expand his investigation to include Guckert/Gannon's access to secret CIA documents about Valerie Plame. Fitzgerald has subpoena powers, so he'd have no trouble tracking down Guckert/Gannon's clients from his pager records.

Guckert/Gannon is at the center of what may be the biggest sex/spy scandal in American history.

Sooner or later, the truth shall set America free.

LET's SEE WHAT FELON REPUBLICANS SAY ABOUT GEORGE W. BUSH giving BJ's to JEFF GANNON....


any thoughts ?

Posted by: let's do the right thing... | April 8, 2008 11:44 PM

And you Obama supporters don't think he lies and you don't think he has bought off these old geezer senators with government jobs! Get serious. He is about as corrupt as the day is long. Fortunately, Hillary will prevail despite the media. You can go to the bank on it!

Posted by: Political Watchdog | April 8, 2008 11:39 PM

THe Clintons lie, lie, lie (probably the subject of the Beatles' song, or it is the Clintons' theme song).

Posted by: meldupree | April 8, 2008 11:12 PM

the Clintons: lying to America from DAY ONE!

Posted by: meldupree | April 8, 2008 11:09 PM

At this rate it looks like I'm going to end up writing in Stephen TYRONE Colbert for President. Yikes.

Posted by: Too bad | April 8, 2008 11:05 PM

Anyone in the mood for a laugh? I promise, it's non-partisan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzOujTVov40

Posted by: shockedAndAwed | April 8, 2008 10:55 PM

If Hillary would try to be truthful she would do much better nobody trush a liar and every week shes caught in another lie.

Posted by: sharon | April 8, 2008 10:30 PM

Even America signed various FTAs,The Clinton's still will make big bucks.
Yes,Actually,they don't need any job,their fame world wide help their mouth worthy 1 billion dollors.

Posted by: jeff Xiao | April 8, 2008 10:29 PM

Please know that I will never, ever vote for Barack Hussein Obama, Jeremiah Wright Jr., or Michelle "the first time proud" Obama, for anything!

Hillary 08!

Posted by: Meldupree | April 8, 2008 10:26 PM

I see some idiot hijacked my screen-name to place support for Hillary. jaked and all other Clintonistas, please know that I will never, ever support Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton for anything!

OBAMA 08!

Posted by: Meldupree | April 8, 2008 10:19 PM

remenber . the family

Posted by: cesarver | April 8, 2008 10:18 PM

Nixon was a good bowler.....

Posted by: Skins Fan in Maine | April 8, 2008 10:16 PM

remenber . the family

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 10:15 PM

I think it is amazing how quickly Obama has cut the lead campaigning against Bill and Hillary.

Posted by: mm | April 8, 2008 10:11 PM

Jacksmith - you ARE an idiot.

Posted by: Mrs, Jack Smith | April 8, 2008 10:07 PM

Do you Obama supporters really not know that BO is misleading you completely when he says he isn't influenced by lobbyists?! Ok, let me explain a little something to you....Obama takes money from "friends" of lobbyists, "firms" that hire lobbyists, has former "registered" lobbyists working on his campaign, takes money from "employees" of the oil and gas industry, has paid the superdelegates more to date than Hillary, has taken more from the drug co.'s to date than Hillary..Why don't you all please check Factcheck.org once in awhile.

Hillary exaggerated the Bosnia story, but if you read her book, there's no exaggeration at all. Also, if you read the entire Bosnia story, you'll find that the trip was indeed a historical one. She was the first first lady to land in a war zone since E. Rooselvelt. There really was sniper fire in the surrounding hills, and there were helicopters patrolling the area. She and Chelsea really were moved to the armored cockpit and issued flak jackets, but yes, there was an exaggeration. If you aren't going to vote for a candidate who exaggerates, I guess you won't be voting at all !!!

The hospital story has now been substantiated by the aunt who says Hillary told the truth. D. Gergen says Hillary told the truth about her Nafta stance. Wesley Clark, and many other military personnel corroborate Hillary's foreign policy experience.

Obama speaks of being a unifier..Well, I wonder why he wasn't interested in working across party lines while in the US Senate, commented C. Roberts. Hillary, she says, demonstrated the ability to do this very well. See..if you listen to people who actually "know" Hillary, they speak of her being of high morals, discipline, knows policy extensively, works her heart out, has a passion to see a commitment to fruition. Now, on the other hand, if you let the mainstream media tell you how to think, that's another story altogether.

Hillary is a good person, one who is complicated, which explains why she is so misunderstood. She is not a liar. She does play too much defense at times, but just imagine if you had been microscopically scrutinized for years ad nauseum more than any other political couple, wouldn't you be a bit defensive too?

I'm glad the Clinton's finally make tons of money. They're intelligent and they work their hearts out. They pay more in taxes and give more to charity than most in their tax bracket. Obama gave 3% in charity.

Did you take the Obama IQ quiz and find out about him almost coming to blows with an IL Senator because Obama mistakenly hit the wrong button, and voted for budget cuts that eliminated a child welfare office from the colleague's district. He also earned the reputation of "gutless" and "absent" while there because he always seemed to be gone when time to make the tough votes. Oh, boy, the Republicans love weak Democrats.

Well..there's so much more..but I'm tired.

Posted by: KMB08 | April 8, 2008 9:38 PM

The man in black-

The majority of Obama's money comes from bundled donations = lobbyist money.

All three candidates are soiled with corporate money. Obama is no different. PAC and lobbyist donations are capped and amount to little or nothing since McCain/Fiengold.

Leon

Posted by: NYC Leon | April 8, 2008 9:34 PM

Hillary has by far the highest negativity ratings of the remaining 3 candidates. For some reason over 50% of the nation have a very unfavorable view of Hillary, and that is putting it mildly for how many feel about her. She represents the same corruption and self dealing in Washington DC we are all disgusted with. The sooner we can get rid of her, and the sooner she catches on, the better off we will all be.

Posted by: bastanow | April 8, 2008 9:30 PM

These poll number don't mean much to Hillary, she has got her strategy all mapped out. It's the Politburo stupid !!

Back in USSR it was the Politburo who picked the candidates and that is what Hillary would like to have the Superdelgates do.

Posted by: Democracy Now !! | April 8, 2008 9:28 PM

You people in media are sickening. There was also a poll by C-SPAN in California that showed Obama was ahead by six points just before Super Tuesday as well.

Posted by: Kevin | April 8, 2008 9:23 PM

The writer seemed to twist the figures with caveats until the figures meant almost
nothing. But that is not the case. Trends that persist mean something.

The Hillary people phone and rant about the meaning of numbers every time a poll is published?
Yup.

Posted by: Coursery | April 8, 2008 9:11 PM

YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT:-)

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)

Best regards

jacksmith...

p.s. You Might Be An Idiot!

If you don't know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering...

You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. Naughty Girl. :-)

Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don't die from. And I could go on, and on...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 9:04 PM

As an Obama supporter, I worry about those other Obama supporters who say that they will not vote for Hillary if she gets the nomination. President McCain??? Are you nuts??? Because he is.

Posted by: lydgate | April 8, 2008 8:51 PM

We all need to email the Super-
Delegates and tell them that
we WILL un-seat them if they
vote for Obama.

Obama = Lobbyist Pig

Posted by: Supporter of People of America | April 8, 2008 8:47 PM

We all need to email the Super-
Delegates and tell them that
we WILL un-seat them if they
vote for Obama.

Obama = Lobbyist Pig

Posted by: Supporter of People of America | April 8, 2008 8:46 PM

America has been so focused on Iraq that we seem to ignore the rest of the world.

South America is divided into three political camps: Neutral, Pro-America and Pro-Chavez. Colombia is the only country down there that is Pro-American.

This is why it is so incredibly stupid for Obama and Clinton to be against the only Pro-American country down there, just so they can please the Pennsylvania unions at election time. Shame on both of them - they are pro-Chavez idiots and the worst kind of pandering opportunists!

Posted by: alance | April 8, 2008 8:38 PM

Preview your Comment


After reading some of the comments here i can't help but lmao. Oblama supporters actually try to give him credit for a speech on race. One that showed no courage or leadership or strength just Political Necessity. I for one viewed his speech as Nothing but a political run for cover from his TRUE feelings on race relations. H e has run a campaign full of racism an sexism from J.Jackson Jr., Axelrod, Rev Wright.

OBLAMAS CAMPAIGN PLAYED THE RACE CARD. DON'T YOU REMEMBER? LET ME REMIND YOU.

1. Senator (Punjab) Memo

2. after N.H. J. Jackson Jr. ( Oblamas Nat. Campaign Co-Chair) on MSNBC " I DON'T REMEMBER HER CRYING AFTER KATRINA" (Code for she doesn't like or care about BLACK PEOPLE "

3. TWO days after Bills "Fairy Tale" Comment Michele Oblama Spaeking in a BLACK Church in S.C. Says " He called baracks entire campaign a FAIRY TALE. WELL LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING THIS CAMPAIGN AIN'T NO FAIRY TALE"

4. In the Nevada Debate Tim Russert ASKED OBLAMA " In the spirit of reconciliation do you REGRET YOUR CAMPAIGN DRIVING THIS STORY LINE?" His Answer " YES I DO! NOT ONLY IN HINDSIGHT BUT GOING FORWARD AS WELL."

NOW IF HE DIDN'T DO IT WHY SAY THAT HE DID.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=rW1XR7eXPUM
At about 9 min in.

Posted by: Pete Rosa | April 8, 2008 8:29 PM

if everyone is to vote by their belief, instinct or conscience, i think Obama will come out victor. howevr, the race and religion factor seemd to conceal the temperament of this man. he is truly one that can unite all races, religions and humanity.

Go Barack Go!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 8:23 PM

Operation Chaos will make sure our little Hillary wins in Pennsylvania....Don't worry Hillary---we got your back!!

Posted by: charko825 | April 8, 2008 8:18 PM

Yeah right, wash post, we know for the hundredth time, you are in the tank of Obama.

04/05 - 04/07 Survey USA poll

Hillary: 56%

Obama: 38%

That's a new poll came out today that has Hillary up by 18 points.

Obama's only thread hope is screwing millions in Florida and Michigan. And that strategy is a sure defeat in November.

Obama needs to face the music and quit the race now.

Posted by: John in Northern VA | April 8, 2008 8:17 PM

Clinton cannot catch Obama in delegates. To get close to competitive with Obama, Clinton needs to get 56%+ of the vote in each and every remaining primary.

Even if the party decides to award Florida and Michigan according to their results, Clinton will still need to get 53%+ of the vote in each and every remaining primary.

Clinton simply cannot pull down these big numbers in the remaining primaries.

Clinton is holding on in hopes that Obama implodes between now and the last primary. If he doesn't implode, then she will try to sway the super-delegates to support her.

Mathematically, a Clinton win through the election process is impossible. However, Clinton will not leave the race until the last super-delegate gives her an emphatic "no" to her nomination.

Posted by: C. G. of Houston, TX | April 8, 2008 8:11 PM

Maria,

When JakeD said my mother sounds like a nice lady, it made my skin crawl. I was just trying to show what Barack is fighting against in PA. I wasn't expecting anyone to agree with her reasoning.

Posted by: bill | April 8, 2008 8:02 PM

appalachian blue:

If this goes all the way to Denver, my guess would be "the day AFTER" too ; )

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 8:02 PM

hillary's supporters remain strong but there is a growing sense of independents
moving around...and not making a final call

...its disturbing..and i'm a hillary supporter

she needs to get the message of her policy
issues and her softer image

out inside of pa...

and its just amazing how much the media has influenced the average voter in pa...

in western pa...

if you care about hillary's campaign

and her ablility to deliver pa

and if you are near pa or can get there

better make plans right now and head for western pa and the pitts area region and get busy with GOTV

getting out the vote

please its really really important and the need is serious

she is undoubtedly THE most qualified dem to lead this nation and she has ALL the ORIGIANAL ideas and programs and has the strength to do it ...and

she is a known entity...the rnc will destroy obama the day AFTER the nomination ....

literally...or they may just play like a cat with a ball of yarn for a while

Posted by: appalachian blue | April 8, 2008 8:00 PM

Reading reasonable posts, I am proud.

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 8, 2008 7:51 PM

We are mad as hell, and not going to take anymore....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM

Posted by: max | April 8, 2008 7:49 PM

I thought it was weird myself...

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 8, 2008 7:49 PM

My brother, gbooksdc!!!

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 7:48 PM

Seriously, though, what matters in the context of these comments is not who you are or what you are but the soundness of your ideas. Once, argument was a search to divine the truth, to reach consensus on what is in fact true. Now, it's just a means to pass the time. Methinks if the debate was, does 2+2=4?, 45% would (a) argue it does not (b) reject any set of facts proving same and (c) ascribe inadequate intelligence and low morals to those members of the opposing side (while giving cyber fist-bumps to fellow non-believers). We really shouldn't choose our leaders with the same amount of deliberation that goes into your average sports talk phone call (though that would explain the last few elections).

Posted by: gbooksdc | April 8, 2008 7:47 PM

Perhaps, Maria, you should take your Prozac and calm down.

Support who you want, don't but presume that I am desperate because I support Clinton. I assure you I'm not. I'm well aware that her chances are bleak, but like your guy says, I can always hope.

Posted by: Hill Yeah! | April 8, 2008 7:46 PM

Hill Yeah!:

Have a good evening as well (although I am registered Independent, not GOP ; )

Maria:

You'll excuse me for ignoring "personal attacks" from you, I hope.

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 7:44 PM

"Idiots" are people who post things like this:

"Your mother sounds like a nice lady -- did you know that his middle name was Hussein -- if not, you should thank her for giving you little known information."

Seriously, WTF is that about? Maybe Jake needs to explain why this WELL known "information" would mean anything to anyone?
OH MY GOSH, "Hussein" is sooo scary. Please.

Perhaps "Hill Yeah!" needs to understand that when you align yourself with Rush Limbaugh fans like JakeD in an effort to make the case for Clinton you start to look desperate.


Posted by: Maria | April 8, 2008 7:40 PM

Oh, no! PA is going into an Obama coma! Democrats better wakeup and realize he will not win in November. It is either Hillary or President McCain. And the polls I saw today show it. Obama brings no vision or experience to the table. His interview last week was pathetic. This Edwards supporter finds Hillary bright, wise, visionary and tough. She's ready to do the job and will be the hardest working president in history. Heard this week from reliable sources that Hillary will prevail in the end. She is the only hope for the Democratic Party right now!

Posted by: Political Watchdog | April 8, 2008 7:40 PM

JakeD --

My brother!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 7:40 PM

Whatever, JakeD, in the end you are still a Republican who has to somehow denigrate anyone who doesn't agree with you. That's how ya'll roll, Jake. Have a good evening. I'm outta here!

Posted by: Hill Yeah! | April 8, 2008 7:40 PM

I approved of the above message. I just forgot to sign it...

Posted by: gbooksdc | April 8, 2008 7:39 PM

gbooksdc:

How did she "trash Wright". All she said was "he wouldn't have been my pastor", when asked how she felt about his remarks.

I guess you think her MLK/LBJ remark was racist too?

How about Bill's "fairytale" comment?

Posted by: Hill Yeah! | April 8, 2008 7:00 PM
__________________________________________

You're being glib. She knew how her comments would be received, just like she knew what her comments vis-a-vis LBJ and MLK would be taken by whites and blacks. (Although I will give Bill a pass for the fairytale bit, since in context, it was a fair statement, though I think he DID know what the soundbite would be before he uttered it.)

She attacked a prominent member of the black clergy. She sided with those who demonized him for his remarks (and whatever happened to freedom of expression, for God's sake? Why are you charged with approving of someone whom you are merely listening to? I've read Hitler's speeches, I listen to speakers of every differing POV I can get to -- long as they're not boring. Challenge MY ideas, that's the only way I'll know they're valid. I digress.) and she did it to deflect attention from her lies regarding sniper fire. She will not be welcome in many, many black churches, and she will be booed by some in churches in which she does appear. Do you think her MLK speeches were by accident? No, it's to repair some of the bridges burned by her repudiation of Wright. One way to tell a bigot: they tell you how much they admired a black man who's conveniently dead (Richard Cohen, how are you!).

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 7:39 PM

To Hillary and her well-meaning supporters:

Sorry, but your candidate is a puppet for the corporate goons and wall street thieves. Shame on her and her dumass husband, Mr. Had-to-ruin-it-for-everyone-by--weakening-Gore-because-I-have-always-gotten-away-with-it-screwing-around Bill Clinton

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 7:38 PM

Hill Yeah!

No need to bother -- I hope that many more women refuse to vote as you predict -- but, your "demand" (or "Call for Unity") to Obama was clear as a bell.

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 7:36 PM

CAMERA ZOOMS IN.... (on Michelle Obama)


ARRRGGHHHHHHHHH

Posted by: GS | April 8, 2008 7:34 PM

gbooksdc:

Thank you for your response -- that's exactly how I see it going down -- for all you know, however, I am black too ; )

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 7:33 PM

Hillary supporters are just afraid of a black president! Silent racism in the heart of the democratic party

Obama or who care

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 7:33 PM

We have already experienced nearly 20 years of the Bush/Clinton/Bush Era. Adding yet another 8 years of corporations,lobbyists, and the wealthy calling the shots in Washington will not help the middle class of America. There have been many powerful white men and white women living in the White House. Time has come for something new, something unbeholding to the rich and powerful. The fulfillment of the Declaration of Independence and of Dr. King's Dream. It is time for President Obama.

Posted by: A.Lincoln | April 8, 2008 7:33 PM

I can imagine seeing Obama in the White House... (camera pans left)

But the very glimpse of Michelle Obama is indeed scary!

Posted by: GS | April 8, 2008 7:31 PM

I'm not going to bother, JakeD. I hope you're not implying that I'm a racist just because I've pointed out the obvious. Like I said, we must wait to see how much damage Wright has done to Obama.

Also, this isn't only about black folks not voting for Hillary. Many, many women will never vote for Obama. I'd go so far as to say probably many more than there are black voters.

Posted by: Hill Yeah! | April 8, 2008 7:31 PM

I can just see you in a couple months: "The Denver police had no choice but to keep order and prevent violence from these extremists!!"

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 7:31 PM

Operation Chaos will give Clinton the points she needs...

Posted by: Dwight | April 8, 2008 7:30 PM

To Hillary supporters I say when did you exactly sold your soul to the corporations?

Clinton in bed with Military Industrial Complex

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 7:29 PM

JakeD:

FWIW, I'm black. And my take is many stay home, those that show up vote for Hillary. (Keep in mind that, since blacks died to obtain voting rights, black people like to think they have a sacred duty to vote.)

Blacks like to think Republicans are racist (although the few GOP PA whites I know are all crossing over to vote for Obama, and not out of any underhanded motives). Matter of fact, in my experience white Republicans, as opposed to white Dems, are often much more fair-minded, no matter how politically conservative they may be. White Dems often have the arrogance of presuming they know best for blacks (e.g., svreader supposedly marching with King, then expressing regrets because blacks didn't "deserve" it).

These comment boards over the past few weeks should put the "white Dems aren't racist" myth to death. They're as racist as white Repubs, no more, no less.

Posted by: gbooksdc | April 8, 2008 7:28 PM

Have you read "Letter from Birmingham Jail" yet? That offers a much more eloquent answer than I can muster.

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 7:27 PM

I sound like 8 white Alabama clergymen? Why?

Posted by: Hill Yeah! | April 8, 2008 7:26 PM

Well Maria,

How nice and Obamalike of you to just show up here and call us all idiots. Why don't you have a nice day:)

Posted by: Hill Yeah! | April 8, 2008 7:24 PM

Hill Yeah!:

Many first time participants / Obama supporters will feel put out if she's the nominee (I think one, above, used a "skunk" analogy). You have to realize that's not Barack HUSSEIN Obama's fault. I'm sorry, but you sound too much like those 8 white Alamaba clergymen.

maria:

I am not "afraid" of a candidate with that middle name either. So, who are you calling an "idiot" madam?

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 7:24 PM

JakeD, you sound more like a member of the Xenophobic Redneck High School Drop-out Party.


I love how all the insane Repubicans and Hillary fans here just ignored the eloquent comments Iraq War Vet Paul Hernandez made in his support of Senator Obama.

Here is someone who put his life on the line in Bush's War and he is not "afraid" of a candidate with Hussein as his middle name.

Grow up, idiots.

Posted by: maria | April 8, 2008 7:20 PM

JakeD,

I don't see how she would be "stealing" the nomination if the DNC and superdelegates decide, based on the outcome of the remaining contests, that Obama has been too damaged by the Wright story to compete in the general. Why would they put a candidate up that they know is unelectable?

If this happened, he is the only one who could soothe ruffled feathers, by admitting the inevitable and asking his supporters to back Clinton.

Posted by: Hill Yeah! | April 8, 2008 7:19 PM

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 7:15 PM

Bottom line, Obama will lose Pennsylvania by 16% on election day. Obama will also lose Indiana by 8%. North Carolina is still toss-up for Obama. He has secured as usual 3/4 of black votes but white votes are still-up-for grab in North Carolina. Even At this late stage, substantial voters are still undecided in North Carolina which is definitely not good news for Obama. Late voters are favorable to Clinton than Obama in many primaries.

We have not seen any Bradley effect on all these election results to date, except one primary state. Will we see Wright-wrong effect in coming three primaries? Stay tuned!

Posted by: YesWeCanForFree | April 8, 2008 7:14 PM

That Letter was a response to a statement made by eight white Alabama clergymen on April 12, 1963 titled "A Call For Unity". They agreed that social injustices existed but expressed the belief that the battle against racial segregation should be fought solely in the courts and not taken to the streets. King responded that, without forceful, direct actions such as his, true civil rights could never be achieved. As he put it, "This 'Wait' has almost always meant 'Never.'" He asserted not only that civil disobedience is justified in the face of unjust laws, but also that "one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws."

The letter also includes the frequently quoted statement that "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere," as well as the words of Thurgood Marshall quoted by King: "[J]ustice too long delayed is justice denied."

NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE!!!

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 7:13 PM

I think what's most important, is that we have more people whom would turnout for this important process period. Both candidates have a certain amount of people whom refuse to vote for either of them. Race is of absolutely no value to me. I just need to know how many PEOPLE (period) did or did not agree with either candidate. If more people choose to be progressive, then I know there was a larger group (diverse of course) whom chose to move forward. That is my primary concern.

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 8, 2008 7:11 PM

Hill Yeah!:

Why would it be up to HIM to "assuage" anyone upset by YOUR candidate stealing the nomination? Perhaps you need to read MLK Jr.'s "Letter from the Birmingham Jail"?

Obama2008:

I heard you the first time. You don't mind if I continue the discussion with someone who will discuss it, right?

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 7:11 PM

JakeD:

I hate to participate in the divisive ideal of racism. It is already known that there are African Americans whom very well support Hillary, as there are those supporting Obama. It is no different than any other "group." I simply don't see any importance to that information. There are various groups of people whom would be upset IF Hillary "steals" the nomination.

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 8, 2008 7:08 PM

JakeD,

We just need to all calm down and let the rest of the states vote. No one has voted since the Rev Wright issue came about. If it turns out that it has damaged his chances, he cannot be the nominee no matter how many votes he's gotten so far. In that case, it will be up to him to assuage the anger of black people.

Posted by: Hill Yeah! | April 8, 2008 7:07 PM

Hey, to the angry black person who left the long post without a name. Are you blaming Hillary Clinton for Reverend Wright? How stupidly absurd! Your post is also full of racist inuendos.

Posted by: Hill Yeah! | April 8, 2008 7:04 PM

Hill Yeah!:

Don't you realize that there will be SOME point in time where she cannot gain the nomination without completely turning off too many Obama supporters she needs to win in November?

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 7:04 PM

Can't wait to take down McCain the straw man! Too bad its not Bush!

Posted by: Redline | April 8, 2008 7:01 PM

gbooksdc:

How did she "trash Wright". All she said was "he wouldn't have been my pastor", when asked how she felt about his remarks.

I guess you think her MLK/LBJ remark was racist too?

How about Bill's "fairytale" comment?

Posted by: Hill Yeah! | April 8, 2008 7:00 PM

Will ANY African-American Obama supporter please answer my question?

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 6:59 PM

gbooksdc:

Unfortunately, Obama08 declined to answer my question ...

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 6:58 PM

Anonymous at 6:53 PM:

That's exactly my point above. How many African-American Obama supporters will vote for her in November after she steals the nomination?

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 6:56 PM

Thevail,

What is your point about the Columbia Trade Agreement? He said "if the right formula is reached". Even Nancy Pelosi has said it could be passed if it had the proper protections for American workers, labor and the environment.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 6:55 PM

Elisabeth:

Trust me. The war is one of my most important issues with this country. I've been following Obama with this key issue.

Send me the information you have, and I'll look up clips of multiple debates where he and Hillary discussed their foreign ideals and on the war, as well as send you a link to see where he stands. I've watched him debate, and even outside of debates talking to the people, I keep hearing consistent. So again, it seems we may have a case of miscommunication or misunderstanding.

Give me a link of your evidence. I'm trying to find it so that I may review and make my own judgment. I have to have facts.

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 8, 2008 6:55 PM

Condi Rice...qualified woman...have you ever seen her testify before Congress. Wasn't it her watch as NSA that 911 occurred. Man, she has F'd up time and time again...with lies, distortions, and plain inexperience in her position. She has never stood out or shown any unique skills. That's all you've got?

Posted by: Redline | April 8, 2008 6:55 PM

Obama2008:
How many African-Americans do you think will vote for her, though, if she manages to steal the nomination? Did you see my post to you about "experience" needed to be President?
_______________________________

You're touching on a point I made earlier. It's virtually impossible for Hillary to be nominated without doing so in a way in which it will look like she cheated her way into the nomination. Obama's got the most states locked up but leave that aside; it's unlikely she'll beat him in total votes cast or total elected delegates. If the supers counteract Obama's primary edge, many people -- not just blacks -- will be d@mn mad. And they'll stay home (blacks) or vote for Nader (progressives). ESPECIALLY after HRC tacks to the center in the general.

I think most black Dems would support HRC if she was the nominee, if only b/c blacks are so reflexively Democrat. But how can she enter a black church after trashing Wright? (She likes MLK, so what, he's dead, throw out some names of blacks who are alive.) She names a black running mate, so what? It won't be Obama (he'd be stupid to take it). She'll take 85% of a MUCH smaller base.

But it won't happen, because most of those supers are running for something in 08, too, and they need that base to be as big as possible. The supers don't go for Hillary unless it is in their interest to do so, their interest is getting reelected, and I can't see any way HRC at the top of the tickets turns out more votes than Obama. Even if they vote for McCain, those bodies will be there to vote Dem on the rest of the ticket.

People may not like Obama, but Hillary makes people MAD.

Posted by: gbooksdc | April 8, 2008 6:54 PM

Hill Yeah!:

I am actually registered Independent, but I would even support John SIDNEY McCain picking Dianne EMIEL Feinstein as his running mate -- anything he thinks could get California in play -- especially against Barack HUSSEIN Obama.

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 6:53 PM

RACE IS A FACTOR and skunks don't leave on their own:

Of course, we knew it all the time. Race is a factor, in this election, just as it is in America, in general. And, it will continue to haunt us (we Americans), until we circle it, surround it and cut its head off.

We applaud Barack Obama's valiant attempt to keep it out of the campaign. We applaud him, even more, for his realizing that it is time for us (we Americans) to fess up. It's time to recognize that those who "whisper about" it are right on track.

Now, what are we gonna do about it? Now, that the skunk has been thrown into the room, what are we gonna do? Will we leave the skunk in the room, and imagine it gone? It will not leave of its own volition, you can be sure of that. We could all leave the room, and leave it to the skunk. Or some of us can stay in the room with the skunk and tough it out. But, for some of us, who've dealt with the skunk all our lives we know what to do. We're gonna all get rid of the skunk together, or ya'll will have to deal with the skunk, by yourselves.

The skunk is what causes all this "code language" that The Clintons have been using and that the Media is now picking up on. "He can't win." That's code for White folk won't vote for the "N-word" in November. Having "two patriotic people in the race", means "This thing ought to be between two WHITE Americans."

We ain't complaining, not yet, we're just 'splaining. See we've been facing this kind of stuff for all our life. We're used to having to work twice as hard to get half as much. We're used to having to watch our back, less our "friends" stab us in that back. We're used to not being a part of the Republican Party mainstream. We expect that from them. We just don't expect it from our friends-you know the ones who "Praise Martin", but won't fully participate in the practice of accepting people based upon their character, rather than the color of their skin.

This latest development has caught us totally unawares. We'd been lulled into a relative state of tranquility. We have this magnificent candidate, who's highly qualified, articulate, good-looking, well-married, and blessed with All-American type kids, who's won state after state in the primaries; won the greater number of delegates; raised pots full of money. So, why hasn't the second place candidate dropped out. Why hasn't she been escorted to the sidelines?

Well, she's White-stupid.... And, "He can't win."

One of the newspapers said "Exit polls of voters in Democratic primaries also show that whites who considered the contender's race _ Clinton is white, Obama is black _ were three times likelier to say they would only be satisfied with Clinton as the nominee than if Obama were chosen."
"The figures shed some light on race's effect on a competition that moves to the April 22 primary in Pennsylvania, which has a slightly greater proportion of whites than average. The numbers also underscore the challenge Obama could face in the general election, when whites will comprise a larger share of voters and tend to be more conservative than those participating in the Democratic primaries."

There you have it in a nutshell. We've been told, in a "coded" fashion, by The Clintons. And, the news media has substantiated it in their polls. So, what's left, for Black folk- It's really very simple. Now, that we've been told that "Barack Obama is too Black to win in November. Therefore we're gonna have to keep the White candidate in the race, to ultimately replace him. We've gotta win in November."

As we leave the room, to the skunks an skunk-lovers, we'll leave them to figure out how to beat the Republicans, WITHOUT the Black vote. Hey, surely you don't expect us to support your ticket, after you've chosen a skunk over us.......


Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 6:53 PM

bjbprice:

Perhaps some of the "invective" is our response in honest disagreement with your opinion that the "current president has really made a horrible mess to be cleaned up." I already posted my "test" for President, above.

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 6:51 PM

All the Clinton supporters would rather see the U.S go down in flames them to vote for Obama.The blue collar voters probably do not really understand what NAFTA has and will continue to do to PA and the rest of the country.and if they do. they don't care as long as a man of color is not POTUS.I do feel for the young marrieds who have chidren or want to have children, understand this,there will be no good jobs left to pay a decent wage. So go ahead vote for Hillary, one day you will curse her as people curse the present POTUS.

Posted by: The End is near | April 8, 2008 6:51 PM

JakeD:

I know you are a Republican, so you would never support Hillary, but I'm glad you would support Condi. At least you're not sexist like so many men have shown themselves to be during this election.

It has been really eye-opening to say the least. I've lost a lot of respect for journalists and pundits that I used to admire.

Posted by: Hill Yeah! | April 8, 2008 6:51 PM

After scanning many of these comments, I believe that I can clearly state that people are quite passionate about their candidates. That is healthy for the body politic. The amount of invective is extraordinary, but understandable, since many writers may be new to the democratic election process. There is also a great deal of mis- and dis- information. We need to focus on the policies that we seek via our candidates. Our current president has really made a horrible mess to be cleaned up. What are we going to do about it? Let's use our passions to generate ideas that will resolve our problems! Let's share these ideas with our candidates and see whether or not they will listen to what we say, right now! That is a good test for leadership.

Posted by: bjbprice | April 8, 2008 6:48 PM

My heros aren't the spoiled sons of Admirals, don't sign up with the Keating Five and vote against the MLK Holiday...they also avoid stingers and keep their war experience as a quite matter and not a qualification for President that they love to share with the world and make little cheesy commercials about. My family were sailors and grunts and died for this country...and...so...you are who you are...heroic pictures with music won't change that.

Posted by: Redline | April 8, 2008 6:48 PM

From politico.com

A reader in Latin America turned up a June 23, 2005 article from the news portal Terra (reprinted (.doc) by the Bogota government) that quotes Bill Clinton offering unambiguous support for the free trade agreement with Colombia.

The article is in Spanish, so what follows is a translation of a translation, but the gist is unmistakable:

"We need your help to expedite the signing of the Free Trade Agreement (FTA) with the EU is very important to give a clear signal of what the relations between the two countries should be," President Alvaro Uribe said yesterday to the former president of the EU Bill Clinton, during Expogestion 2005.

"I will raise your point when you return to the United States," Clinton replied. "I am in favor of the free trade agreement and it is my hope that we will find the right formula to reach the agreement."

The story also reports that Clinton received a two-minute standing ovation after "applauding Colombia's perserverence for the progress made in the Free Trade Agreement negotiations with the United States."

There is, of course, a little wiggle room here, and the question of what's the right formula. In any case, it will be hard to demote Bill Clinton from his role as chief strategist.

UPDATE: More from Clinton in Colombia in 2005 here, with him regretting the loss of momentum for Andean trade, and saying the failure to reach agreement would be a "mistake."

UPDATE: A Clinton spokesman notes Bill has publicly backed free trade with Colombia since 2000.

Spanish after the jump.

Here's the applause, then the exchange, in Spanish:

Clinton elogió la labor del gobierno colombiano en su lucha contra la pobreza y contra el narcotráfico y aplaudió su perseverancia por los avances logrados en las negociaciones de un Tratado de Libre Comercio con los Estados Unidos (TLC).

Esos elogios motivaron los aplausos del público que por más de dos minutos hacían sonar fuetemente las palmas de sus manos, cada vez con mayor intensidad.

"Necesitamos su ayuda para agilizar la firma del Tratado de Libre Comercio (TLC) con E.U. Es de gran importancia para dar una señal clara de lo que deben ser las relaciones entre los dos países", le dijo ayer el presidente Álvaro Uribe, al ex presidente de los E.U. Bill Clinton, durante Expogestion 2005.

"Voy a plantear su punto cuando regrese a E.U.", le respondió Clinton. "Estoy a favor del TLC y tengo la esperanza de que vamos a encontrar la fórmula para que se logre el acuerdo", añadió.

Posted by: Thevail | April 8, 2008 6:47 PM

Joe:

Hillary will not quit as long as we support her. She has shown herself to be the strongest of the three candidates by far. I hope her tenacity pays off in the end.

Posted by: Hill Yeah! | April 8, 2008 6:47 PM

Joe:

And, that didn't work out so good for either Kennedy or Carter, remember?

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 6:47 PM

I think losing Sean Penn from her campaign might have really hurt Hillary. Sean Penn is totally baditudinous. Check it out:

http://slog.thestranger.com/files/2007/02/SeanPenn.jpg

What?

Oh.

Never mind ...

Posted by: pressF1 | April 8, 2008 6:46 PM

Hill Yeah!:

There are, no doubt, some highly-qualified females out there who I would not mind being President some day (or even VP this time around). Condi Rice, for instance ; )

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 6:46 PM

It is hilarious to listen to those who keep telling her to drop out. Ted Kennedy (the expert at dividing the Democrats) was behind by 1,000 delegates at this point in the election when he ran against SITTING PRESIDENT Jimmy Carter. He took it all the way to the convention.

Don't Quit.

Posted by: Joe | April 8, 2008 6:45 PM

JakeD:

I try to exclude myself from participating in the divisive racism ideals. I prefer to see people as a general group, as one human race. To answer your question, it is true that there are African Americans whom are already in Hillary's corner. There are African Americans who simply don't feel as though Obama is their #1 preference. I cannot classify the entire group's opinions based on their race. I believe they'll vote as individuals, based on who they prefer to help change some of the woes of this country.

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 8, 2008 6:43 PM

JakeD,

I've finally come around. It was inevitable that at some point, my koolaid injection would wear off. I now support Hillary Rodham Clinton wholeheartedly.

The whole experience is so liberating in a strangely sanguine way. I'm off to make another donation. I just can't stop loving that Hillary!

Posted by: MelDupree | April 8, 2008 6:42 PM

It's not John McCain I have a problem with, it's the Liberty U/Patrick Henry College nut-job cabal that staffs the mid-level patronage positions when the GOP holds power.

Hillary Clinton is loathed -- and she came by it honestly. If her treatment by now has mutated into unfairness, well, after the Travel Office episode, she had it coming. If she is now reflexively regarded as lying, well, if she hadn't lied over and over and over for the better part of 20 years, maybe we'd cede her some initial credibility now. But for someone who claims to be experienced in fighting Republicans -- as if that's the direction we want for the next four years, more partisan combat signifying nothing -- she sure showed a lack of spine in caving on George Bush's war.

BTW, has anybody seen any of the names of the poor unfortunates who froze to death in Rezko's slums? Yet? And what happens when Rezko gets off after the jury says, you cannot believe a guy who by his own admission "would meet in hotels once or twice a month to take cocaine, crystal methamphetamine, ecstasy and other powerful drugs at all-day sessions," spending $100K/year on same?

Posted by: gbooksdc | April 8, 2008 6:42 PM

Very few men have become President without substantial FEDERAL government experience (mainly Governors in that category), even JFK....

No women have become President.. It's about time....

HILLARY '08

Posted by: Hill Yeah! | April 8, 2008 6:39 PM

meldupree:

You "love" her so much that you posted, above, that "she has become an albatross around the Democratic Party's neck"? Bird watcher, huh?

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 6:38 PM

Poll? Has anybody learned the lesson yet?

Posted by: G.Y | April 8, 2008 6:37 PM

I'm so in love with Hillary that I'm going to hillaryclinton.com and make a donation. Who wants to come with me?

Posted by: MelDupree | April 8, 2008 6:35 PM

Obama2008:

How many African-Americans do you think will vote for her, though, if she manages to steal the nomination? Did you see my post to you about "experience" needed to be President?

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 6:33 PM

Let me say this again:

McLame the great war hero was beat by Little Bush.

What makes you think Obama would be easier to beat?

Mccain is going to do the same as Hillary and fail just as bad. Obama will keep building support, while McCain runs his mouth and shoots himself in the foot.

Once Hillary's out, Obama will lock in the female vote and carry the day in November. It all about strategy and Obama knows it. McCain is still looking for his tactical advantage...just like in nam.


Posted by: Redline | April 8, 2008 6:32 PM

From the Huffington Post:

Finally relenting to the horrendous pressure from us, Daily Kos, Moveon.org, the Obama campaign and his evil minions, the DNC, Nancy Pelosi and Osama bin Laden, Hillary Clinton has just announced she is dropping out of the race for the Democratic Presidential Nominee.

Psyche!

Posted by: Ariana Huffs a Ton of Crap | April 8, 2008 6:31 PM

JakeD:

I want both candidates to work fairly for the nomination, and let either one win it fair and square. Things have gotten nasty lately, and I am definitely not blind to the fact. In my opinion, it's not about the candidates because, they're just people. What matters most to me is, what's going on in this country and what I feel needs to be fixed, changed, or worked on. That is the sole reason why I am voting. Both candidates, honestly speaking, are taking similar stances on the issues which I feel are important. I would be disappointed if Obama honestly earned it, and the nomination was given to Hillary, yes I would; I would be disappointed for the same reason that I was disappointed in 2000 when Gore clearly won, and the nomination was handed to Bush. Obviously that's not right. I say this without bias, looking at the picture. However, in November, based on what I feel needs to happen with this country within the next few years, I will ultimately vote based on that. If Hillary is the nominee, yes I will vote for her.

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 8, 2008 6:30 PM

Thank you, Jaye.

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 6:30 PM

Obama2008 (6:22 PM) You didn´t listen! Barack Obama (during the Foreign Relations HRG) at the end really asked if "status quo" in Irak would be a "success enough"!

Posted by: Elisabeth | April 8, 2008 6:30 PM

If Obama is the candidate, Pennsylvania will be a red state votin for McCain - no question about it. In fact, I would think that nearly the entire US will become red states over it. I for one will vote McCain if Obama is the candidate.

Posted by: Jaye | April 8, 2008 6:26 PM

She's_Cleva:

Barack HUSSEIN Obama will not be sworn in on as President on January 20, 2009.

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 6:25 PM

If people think Bill is a bully, wait till they get a taste of McCain. He talks down to people, unless he is campaigning. Its a fact. I worked closely with his staff and others that worked with him. He thinks very highly of his own opinion and does not hesitate to lecture. Not very effective with children or adults.

Posted by: Redline | April 8, 2008 6:25 PM

Redline:

That's right -- don't worry too much about it -- we do have another chance to elect him, this November.

John SIDNEY McCain -- the American President Americans Are Waiting For

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 6:24 PM

Texas Democrat wrote:
[Polls? The polls said the same thing in Ohio and it was not the facts. And neither is this ridiculous poll.]

Hmmm...conveniently left out what the Polls said about Clinton versus what happened/is happening in TEXAS aren't we?

Well that's true -THOSE polls definitely turned ridiculous didn't they? HA! If anyone has insulted voters' intelligence - it's the Clintonistas!

That's right - Dems need to AND WILL win in November.

Everyone should just get over it and, if you really are a dem - pull yourself together and get on board with the progress!

Barack Obama, 44th President of the United States! woo hoo!

Posted by: She's_Cleva | April 8, 2008 6:23 PM

Elisabeth:

I think you and I received different information. The information I received from Obama, is that he will "be as careful getting us out, as our current leadership was careless getting us in." He proposes to bring our military home from Iraq, but also working with representatives of Iraq to help them take more responsibility for their own security. He doesn't want to leave just leave Iraq. He wants to help Iraq at the same time bringing our people home. That is a plan that needs to happen. That's what I would like our brilliant people in office to do, those masterminds of the country; they need to construct a miraculous plan to do just that, in my opinion. I support that idea. This war is one of the main reasons why I personally cannot support McCain though I definitely respect McCain for his military experience. This war was illegit to begin with, and it has cost us to go - 4,000+ individuals of our Defense. Is it the right thing to do, knowing that fact, to just continue down that same line of action?? Crucial family members have been lost, and for what kind of war again? Illegit. I cannot see how it'd be the right thing to do. I think it's time for a different plan.

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 8, 2008 6:22 PM

This is reality:

You had a chance to elect McCain in 2000...you picked Bush.

You had a chance to elect Hillary in 2008...we picked Obama.

You'll have another chance to vote for McCain in 2008.

We'll have another chance to vote for Obama in 2008.

May the best man win...and he will.

McCain is not known for being calm, thoughtful, or diplomatic. We've already had 8 years of that. Frankly, I like a guy that thinks and looks before he shoots. McCain doesn't even know who he wants to shoot...shiite...sunni...Iraqi...Iranian...just get him a gun.

Posted by: Redline | April 8, 2008 6:19 PM

I certainly hope she does not pull out of the race, regardless of what happens in PA.

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 6:18 PM

After thinking about it some, definitely Hillary will have to quit if she doesn't win Pennsylvania by double digits. For whatever reason, whatever hard feelings I had about the primary are starting to dissappear and I'm getting used to the idea of President Obama. Definitely has a nice ring to it in comparison to President McCain.....

Posted by: DCDave | April 8, 2008 6:16 PM

Obama2008:

I have no idea why the nametags are not working any more. I responded to your post above re: "experience" -- keep in mind that none of that is formally required in the Constitution -- which is the distinction I'm making between "experience" and "qualification" : )

Will YOU vote for Clinton in November if she steals the nomination away?

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 6:14 PM

allentown:

Congrats for getting out there in the trenches. Keep in mind, though, that she doesn't even have to win in Pennsylvania to prevent you guy from reaching the number needed to secure the nomination. At this point, it's come down to seating the deleagtes from Florida and Michigan, as well as the super-delegates. Will you vote for her in November if she steals the nomination away?

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 6:12 PM

JakeD:

The only post that I've made without a name tag appearing, is the response I typed to you. The rest of the posts without names are not my posts.

I'm used to my name tag automatically appearing when I submit. I'll just have to keep typing it in for now, or copy/paste.

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 8, 2008 6:09 PM

For some reason over 50% of the nation have an unfavorable view of Hillary, and that is putting it mildly for how many feel about her. She represents the same corruption and self dealing in Washington DC we are all disgusted with. The sooner we can get rid of her, and the sooner she catches on, the better off we will all be.

Posted by: bastanow | April 8, 2008 6:09 PM

Very few men have become President without substantial FEDERAL government experience (mainly Governors in that category), even JFK had problems when it came to "experience" and he had TWICE as much time in D.C. as Obama, in addition to that little PT-109 episode ; )

Running a EXECUTIVE branch, on the State level, or some other BIG organization (like an Army or business) probably is the best indicator of Presidential experience. Of course, there's always "on-the-job" training with a position as unique as President -- unless we re-elect Jimmy Carter or Bush41 -- that's what I'm talking about re: "experience".

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 6:08 PM

Barack Obama (during the Foreign Relations HRG) asked if "status quo" in Irak would be a "success enough". The is one of the most stupid question that I have ever heard! If USA should leave Irak now it would have been chaos in the country and maybe the whole Middle East within only a couple of months. This man is really naive. He also seems to be accepting to hand over the power to Iran..... Hillary Clinton has always been talking about leaving Irak in a responsible way. That`s a realistic vision.

Posted by: Elisabeth | April 8, 2008 6:07 PM

Wie gehts miene Deutcher Freund? Bitte entshuldigen meine Amerikanisher Brudern. Wie liebe Dich!

How's that for diplomacy?

Posted by: Obama Who? | April 8, 2008 6:06 PM

Chuck gets the nod!! You definitely told it the way it needed to be told. We'll see how much of that information was taken into consideration.

To the reasonable foreigners: You also get the nod. It is a pleasure to know your views.

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 8, 2008 6:05 PM

After doing door-to-door for Obama over the weekend, it still seems like Clinton is ahead around here. I think she ends up winning by about 9%. To the Clinton supporters who ask how that can be considered a loss -- PA is her best demographic matchup and she is far enough behind that she needs to win by at least twice that margin to meaningfully eat away at the Obama lead.

Strange how the Clinton supporters call the Obama supporters cultist A-holes etc, while bemoaning vile attacks by Obama supporters. Looking through this thread, it seems about the vilest thing Obama supporters are saying is that Hillary has already lost, which is basically true.

Posted by: allentown | April 8, 2008 6:04 PM

Obama2008:

Is that you posting "Anonymously"?

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 6:03 PM

I'm not used to having to type my name tag.

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 8, 2008 6:03 PM

Redline:

I expect him to beat Obama by getting the women and racists to vote for him ; )

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 6:02 PM

JakeD:

I am indeed interested in your comments. I find that it helps to gain some knowledge and insight talking to others. However, I still do not understand that some particular level of experience which some talk about (is this time served compared to Hillary and McCain that people are referring to?), is not mentioned under the "Qualifications." I would think that I should be able to find a straight forward list of experience needed for the presidential position. I am really trying to find some more information that clarifies that, but so far I haven't found information on that yet. So, we have indeed established that Obama qualifies like the rest.

I do believe that McCain is qualified as well. However, I respectfully disagree with the fact that he should be next. I honestly don't think that he is the president that The American People need during these next few years. I respect your view though. At the least, I don't have to skim through your posts as I do some others.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 6:01 PM

Max Hedroom:

By insulting the German poster (who has every right to express his opinion here), you've brought dishonor and shame to us all.

This is supposed to be an open, democratic country, and the commenter did nothing but share his views, and did not insult anyone. You owe him an apology, but you need empathy and class to do this.

Deep thought of the day: I think if another country had tens of thousands of troops stationed in my country (as we do in Germany) I might take quite an interest in who the next leader of that country will be.

Posted by: chuck | April 8, 2008 5:59 PM

I meant to say

Remember Hillary Clinton dumped $25M on the Iowa caucus (party platters, snow shovels when it did not snow, etc.) only to place third after Obama and Edwards. Yeah, Hillary knows votes cannot be bought!

That's why she's going to win. Obama can't buy all those PA votes. He's mad about it too. Guess that's why his campaign spokesman is going around calling African American children "monkeys"

NO WE CAN'T

Posted by: MelDupree | April 8, 2008 5:59 PM

Just who says what they mean? Check this out:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/7/124812/3285/604/491642

Posted by: Invictusplc | April 8, 2008 5:59 PM

chuck:

Relevant experience is not limited to just "years spent in Washington" (although he is no General either ; )

Bill:

Your mother sounds like a nice lady -- did you know that his middle name was Hussein -- if not, you should thank her for giving you little known information.

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 5:59 PM

If McCain is so great, why did he lose to Bush 8 years ago. If he couldn't beat Little Bush, how do you expect him to beat Obama?

It wasn't dirty tricks...its his record, knowledge and personality.

He is still referring to Al Qaeda as Shiite. He did it again today at the hearing...dude is old, worn out, and out of touch.

Posted by: Redline | April 8, 2008 5:58 PM

After spending most of my growing years in Pennsylvania, I moved away. There is a reason for that.

My mom (in PA) is voting for Hillary because Hillary is a woman and then called me sexist after she found I am voting for Obama (in Oregon). She asked me if I knew his middle name was Hussein (that's Muslim you know). These are the type of people that will be voting in PA.

As far as the polling, it's all spin. Hillary wants to make it look like it will be close and the beat the spread. Obama wants it to look like a rout and to the same.

Posted by: Bill | April 8, 2008 5:56 PM

I'll take good judgment (Obama, for example knowing enough to oppose this idiotic war from the beginning) over years spent in Washington (Hillary) any day of the week.

Posted by: chuck | April 8, 2008 5:55 PM

Remember Hillary Clinton dumped $25M on the Iowa caucus (party platters, snow shovels when it did not snow, etc.) only to place third after Obama and Edwards. Yeah, Hillary knows votes cannot be bought!

Posted by: MelDupree | April 8, 2008 5:54 PM

I'm an Obama supporter who's not feeling too good about the upcoming contests. I think the Wright thing has done more damage than even I want to admit. The media and all the national polsters are trying to put a different spin on it, but something just don't feel the same. Hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: Obamarama | April 8, 2008 5:52 PM

mruth:

How many African-American Obama supporters do you think will vote for her after she steals the nomination? They won't just be slightly sad for a few weeks.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 5:45 PM

LOL -- is Barack HUSSEIN a "Nazi" in addition to a undercover Muslim agent?

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 5:44 PM

I am an Obama supporter. If Hillary is the Democratic nominee, I will be sad for a few weeks, but I will vote for her in the general election. I'm not sure I will contribute money to her campaign (she and Bill seem to have enough as it is), but I will vote for her in November.

We need to be mature about voting. We are members of the oldest modern (post-18th-century) democracy in the world.

Posted by: mruth | April 8, 2008 5:43 PM

My fellow Americans, compared to Senators McCain and Clinton, I have superior wisdom and judgment.

That is why I chose Trinity United and the Reverend Wright. You see, I knew that someday, I would have to vindicate him for his racist and anti-American views and out my racist grandmother as well. I sat there all those years and said nothing because I was waiting for just the right moment. It took 20 years, but it was so worth it. I'm so magnificent!

Posted by: Sen Barack Obama | April 8, 2008 5:43 PM

Obama2008:

No doubt he "qualifies" for the position -- so do I -- what neither of us have is the experience needed to become President.

John SIDNEY McCain -- the American President Americans Are Waiting For

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 5:43 PM

Why are all these Germans on here plugging for Obama? Is he a Nazi too?

Posted by: What The? | April 8, 2008 5:37 PM

Depends which polls you look at...Survey USA poll has Clinton up by 18.

Posted by: Joe | April 8, 2008 5:37 PM

Every president has learned presidential duties once becoming president, and therefore bearing the presidential burdens.

I do not think that any candidate running would be legit to run if they didn't qualify for the position.

http://www.lbjlib.utexas.edu/johnson/lbjforkids/usgov.shtm

Qualifications for President
Natural born citizen; at least 35 years of age; a resident within the United States for 14 years before election

Presidential Functions

*The Nation's Chief Executive and Chief of State;

*enforces federal laws;

*appoints and can remove high federal officials and U.S. diplomats;

*commands the armed forces; conducts foreign affairs;

*may recommend legislation to the Congress;

*signs legislation passed by both houses of the Congress into law;

*may veto legislation;

*may call Congress into special session

Obama, like all other candidates, does indeed qualify for the position. He is educated, has experience, and he also has needed wisdom. Wisdom and education work together as a powerful force, and helpful too. I applaud those characteristics.

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 8, 2008 5:37 PM

Obama Who? Sounds like Vijay Singh when his caddy wore a cap reading "Tiger Who?" before Tiger summarily kicked his arse! So while Hillary may squeak by in PA, Hillary the Inevitable will get beaten for the nomination. It is that simple.

Posted by: MelDupree | April 8, 2008 5:34 PM

Rush Limbaugh has wisely commanded that we not attack Hillary due to Operation Chaos.

Hillary should stay in till the bitter end, trashing Obama not only to the Convention but in the Convention.

Posted by: JaxMax | April 8, 2008 5:34 PM

From the Huffington Post:

Hillary spreads AIDS all over Africa.

Bill rapes all the women in Saudi Arabia while negotiating a shady deal.

Hillary vows to eat all American babies within her first 100 days.

Bill has cooties.

Yawn!!!!

Posted by: Ariana Huffs a Ton | April 8, 2008 5:33 PM

FOREIGNER's are also interested as

THEY DON't WANT YOU TO BE LIKE THOSE EVANGELICALS WHO VOTE FOR $4 OR $6 GAS AND EAT IRAQI/NAVY BLOOD SOAKED BREADS.

AMERICA IS WORLD LEADER.

YOU ASKING THAT QUESTION IS SAME AS CHELSEY TELLING YOU "NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS"

Posted by: kg | April 8, 2008 5:33 PM

OBAMA IS A FREELANCER!!!!!!!!

HE'S GOT NOOOOOOO EXPERIENCE!!!!!!!!

REV. WRIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!

REZKO AND OTHER SCANDALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MCANGRY WILL RIP HIS HEAD OFF IN GENERAL ELECTION!!!!!!!!!!!

OUR TIME IS NNNNNOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW !!!!!!!!

SEIZE THE DAY FEMI-NAZIS!!!!!!!!!!!

OBAMA IS BBBBLLLLAAAACCCCKKKK!!!!!!!!

WAPO IS LYING!!!!!!!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Posted by: Menopausal Maniac | April 8, 2008 5:32 PM

The Hillary camp is still set up on the river bank. The rest of us know the levy has already broken and we're waiting for them on higher ground.


Posted by: Redline | April 8, 2008 5:31 PM

OBAMA IS A FREELANCER!!!!!!!!

HE'S GOT NOOOOOOO EXPERIENCE!!!!!!!!

REV. WRIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!

REZKO AND OTHER SCANDALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MCANGRY WILL RIP HIS HEAD OFF IN GENERAL ELECTION!!!!!!!!!!!

OUR TIME IS NNNNNOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW !!!!!!!!

SEIZE THE DAY FEMI-NAZIS!!!!!!!!!!!

OBAMA IS BBBBLLLLAAAACCCCKKKK!!!!!!!!

WAPO IS LYING!!!!!!!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Posted by: Menopausal Maniac | April 8, 2008 5:31 PM

Well, I don't put a whole lot of stock in polls...but I do hope Pennsylvanians are smarter than Ohioans. How they could vote for a candidate that 47% of the country says they will never support in a general election is beyond me. Why hitch yourself to a loser?

The best bet the Democrats have is to make Obama the candidate. But even that chance dwindles more each day as Hillary continues to tear apart the party for her own selfish greed for power.

Posted by: noozdude | April 8, 2008 5:30 PM

maxiepad,

As a foreigner, I just do not understand why the American people would want to vote for a Clinton to represent the face of America in the world today.
_____________

As an American, I'm very happy to have Hillary Clinton represent the face of America and Barack Obama represent it's *ss!

Posted by: Hill Yeah! | April 8, 2008 5:30 PM

From The Huffington Post: "Former President Bill Clinton has earned hundreds of thousands of dollars speaking on behalf of a Colombia-based group pushing the trade pact, and representatives of that organization tell The Huffington Post that the former president shared their sentiment.

In June 2005, Clinton was paid $800,000 by the Colombia-based Gold Service International to give four speeches throughout Latin America."

She can fire Penn but she can't fire Bill... Now, Hillary lie, oops, I mean tell me again how you have always opposed NAFTA and believe that free trade hurts the American working class like the people of Pennsylvania.

Posted by: BD | April 8, 2008 5:29 PM

Susan, words matter, especially for the Clintons who made $109M over eight years for speaking and writing words. Yeah, they donated 10% of their money - to the William Jefferson Clinton Foundation!

Rezko: there is nothing there. Patrick Fitzgerald the prosecutor (think Enron) is trying the Rezko case and believe it, if there was something, it would be out by now. Nada!

Experience? No one has validated Hillary's thirty-five years of such with any truth; in fact Hillary can't validate her own experience with any truth (i.e., Bosnia, Kosovo, Northen Ireland peace accords, the pregnant Ohio woman story, healthcare reform, etc). So yeah, words matter indeed!

Posted by: MelDupree | April 8, 2008 5:29 PM

Anyway you cut-it, Hillary has a tough one ahead for her, as these Internet Stats and analysis further show as well;
Posted by: Dave |
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Haven't we faces this before. Ohio, Mass, Texas, NH. and Cal. The night before the NH and Cal. he was supposed to be winning. Guess what.

Posted by: Chief | April 8, 2008 5:28 PM

As an American and middle-aged feminist Hillary supporter,

I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY A FOREIGNER WOULD BE ON THE WASHINGTON POST, DISCUSSING OUR NEXT PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO BACK TO GERMANY, MAXD, WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED OVER HERE!!!!

I didn't chime in over there for Angela Merckel, though I secretly wanted to.

Posted by: max headroom | April 8, 2008 5:28 PM

Lokks like Washington Post is afreid of Hillary Clinton. Don't worry, because you will always fing some polls that suits you.Even if Obama is leading, you can easely it is because of the cold weather or because of Obamas black shoes. you will always find an excuse. But at the end (of Clinton), after the NC voting, she will be pressed hard to leave.
Although the doen't like to go. the pressure of her friends will be to high.
That will be the long expected end of the era and it will be good for America.
Many Germans think this way.

Posted by: sieweke | April 8, 2008 5:28 PM

Okay...just take a close look at Hillary lately...she's defeated and its showing...her hair has gotten as flat as her campaign. Obama's lookin' awake, aware, calm, and sharp...people notice that crap.

Posted by: Redline | April 8, 2008 5:27 PM

Obama's raised a gazillion dollars and is trying to smother PA with his ads but Hillary is still going to cream him on April 22! You can't buy votes, meldumbree.

Posted by: Obama Who? | April 8, 2008 5:26 PM

As a foreigner, I just do not understand why the American people would want to vote for a Clinton to represent the face of America in the world today.

The world has had enough of these American stupidity. It is sickening.

Posted by: maxd | April 8, 2008 5:24 PM

OBAMA IS A FREELANCER!!!!!!!!

HE'S GOT NOOOOOOO EXPERIENCE!!!!!!!!

REV. WRIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!

REZKO AND OTHER SCANDALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MCANGRY WILL RIP HIS HEAD OFF IN GENERAL ELECTION!!!!!!!!!!!

OUR TIME IS NNNNNOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW !!!!!!!!

SEIZE THE DAY FEMI-NAZIS!!!!!!!!!!!

OBAMA IS BBBBLLLLAAAACCCCKKKK!!!!!!!!

WAPO IS LYING!!!!!!!

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Posted by: Menopausal Maniac | April 8, 2008 5:24 PM

Obama's pickin' up Superdelegates like the leaves of fall...more and more everyday.

What's Hillary been doin'...throwin' gutter balls...preceeded by big talk and empty challenges.

Posted by: Redline | April 8, 2008 5:23 PM

"I think Obama has operated a lame campaign here - bowling being the only memorable event. Gutter ball! He may not score a 37 in the primary. :P"

Posted by: j9 | April 8, 2008 4:03 PM
_______________________

let's examine the numbers for a moment: Hillary Clinton raises $20M to Obama's $40M last month. The month before, Obama raised an astonishing $55M to Hillary's $35M. Now Hillary owes nearly $10,000,000.00 in campaign debt to Obama's $625,000. Hillary's campaign has stiffed vendors (little people) and failed to pay the health insurance premiums for her workers; no such reports about the Obama camp doing this. Obama has brougth more people to the poltical process without using PAC or special interest money. Hillary seems unable to stay on message for all the infighting by her senior staffers. Now tell us all how is Obama running a lame campaign again?

Posted by: Meldupree | April 8, 2008 5:22 PM

Hey Barry, it's time to come home now and get your spanking for calling me a racist. Leave that nice little Hillary alone. She's got a lot of work to do choosing a Vice President. You sure have been mean to her, but she promised me that she would let you back in the Senate if you promise to leave that church. Come on home now!

Posted by: Obama's Grandma | April 8, 2008 5:21 PM

QUOTE:

"There's another poll (SUSA) that shows her up by 18. Why not give a headline to that one? Oh, that's right, the Post prefers it when she's in distress"

--POSTED BY Joe

Posted by: Whatever, Joanne | April 8, 2008 5:20 PM

Redline:

What's not to love?

Posted by: joe | April 8, 2008 5:19 PM

When PA discovers their white knight of change Obama , is mixed up in the same type of corrupt activities as many republican senators have been involved, his surge will dwindle. The corporate news media has squashed any mention of the Rezko corruption trial and his close ties of over 17 years with Barrack Obama, and the shady land deal they entered into. He is supposed to be this squeaky clean champion of change but it turns out its just words....and Obama said words matter. On you tube his words said when elected in 2004 after elected (sworn in Jan 2005) to US senate he would not run in 2008 because he didn't have enough experience...and he just wouldn't do that...Words matter

Posted by: Susan | April 8, 2008 5:19 PM

Clinton supporters...Obama still loves ya!

Posted by: Redline | April 8, 2008 5:18 PM

There's another poll (SUSA) that shows her up by 18. Why not give a headline to that one? Oh, that's right, the Post prefers it when she's in distress.

Posted by: joe | April 8, 2008 5:17 PM

The White House, Sugar-Buns.

Posted by: More Like Obama Where? | April 8, 2008 5:16 PM

Gws - you make some really good points. I still think Obama would make the best overall choice. It's just that I'm still a bit hung up on the Rev. Wright thing. Not so much about Wright himself (though I did watch the controversial quotes "in context" and they didn't sound any better to me), but about Obama's seeming inability to anticipate the brouhaha and react in a timely manner. Yes, he gave an excellent speech in response, but why the four day wait, during which this festered into a lasting wound? Why wasn't that speech already written and ready to go before this news broke? It's not like the statements were hard to find - they were on a DVD released by Wright's own church! Seeing how lax Obama was in protecting his own interest really makes me wonder how he's going to protect mine. That said, so far it's the only real slipup I can pin on him. All the other things you said about uniting the country and hopefully the world behind us is right on. He's no sex maniac and he's no peanut farmer, he still might be the Goldilocks candidate to beat McCain in November.

Posted by: treetopflyer | April 8, 2008 5:16 PM

Get used to it:

"President Obama?"

"Yes?"

"The former Senator from NY is on the phone."

"Again?"


Posted by: Redline | April 8, 2008 5:15 PM

Nice work, CherriePicker.

Nicely served Poll Facial, still dripping off YouLie's grill.

Truth hurts, don't it?

Posted by: LargeFacial | April 8, 2008 5:14 PM

Obama Who? predicts everyone will be saying his name in about 3 months.

Obama Who? would like the naysayers to realize that these polls are not being manipulated by the MSM, but are polls taken by local PA TV stations who could care less if the messiah becomes president.

Obama Who? does not have a dog in this fight, but has a keen sense that the men who run the polls you cite as well as the MSM are afraid of Hillary Clinton. She threatens their masculinity.

Obama Who? says too bad.

I'm Obama Who? and I approve this message.

Posted by: Obama Who? | April 8, 2008 5:13 PM

I am caught up looking to read news on a flow of super delegates. Polls are interesting though.

I'm personally not against either candidate, but I am very pleased with Obama's efforts. I've seen some of his campaigners, and they absolutely and wholeheartedly rock!! Together, they really do an awesome job. Absolutely.

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 8, 2008 5:12 PM

Obama's going down in flames! He shouldn't have dissed his grandma. God don't like ugly!

PA Women, Whites, Stand by Hillary, Turn Back The Clock On Obama:

As a black man, that's why I left Pennsylvania years ago and move South. More jobs, more education, less meatheads.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 5:11 PM


ATTENTION:

Hillary supporters and other angry middle-aged feminists

___________________________________


Look on the bright side:

In 16 years, we will have another run at the White House when we all blindly and without reason throw all our bitterness behind Michelle Obama.

But, for now, let's all go back home and wait for that day. HRC is cooked. It was a good run but we've got more important things to do, like beat John McWar (thanks, Paul Hernandez, Jr) and help Michelle's husband, Hussein.


Posted by: YayGirliePower!!! | April 8, 2008 5:10 PM

My PA finally do, what NH and OH foolishly refused to do . . . send her packing.

Posted by: hillaryis44 | April 8, 2008 5:10 PM

Obama Who?

You can easily win as GOP Congressman. Don't waste your time here.

Posted by: kg | April 8, 2008 5:06 PM

Prediction: Obama squeezes out a win in PA because Hillary keeps runnin' her mouth...we've got two weeks for her to help him win. Slow and steady, high road wins!

And by the way, USA Today is basically a newspaper for those that still exclusively read comic books.

Posted by: Redline | April 8, 2008 5:06 PM

Obama's going down in flames! He shouldn't have dissed his grandma. God don't like ugly!

PA Women, Whites, Stand by Hillary, Turn Back The Clock On Obama: In a Democratic Primary in Pennsylvania today, 04/08/08, two weeks to the vote, Hillary Clinton defeats Barack Obama 56% to 38%, according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted exclusively for WCAU-TV Philadelphia, KDKA-TV Pittsburgh, WHP-TV Harrisburg, and WNEP-TV Wilkes-Barre. The results are almost identical to a SurveyUSA poll released one month ago.

Posted by: Obama Who? | April 8, 2008 5:05 PM

Eat It, Obama!

How could you possibly write exactly like my Grandma?

Posted by: kg | April 8, 2008 5:04 PM

"Stop spreading your lies, WaPo!

Posted by: You Lie! | April 8, 2008 4:52 PM"

Question:
So how is that one poll you cherry picked more accurate than all of these polls?

RCP Average 03/27 - 04/07 - 48.6 41.6 Clinton +7.0
Rasmussen 04/07 - 04/07 695 LV 48 43 Clinton +5.0
SurveyUSA 04/05 - 04/07 597 LV 56 38 Clinton +18.0
Quinnipiac 04/03 - 04/06 1,340 LV 50 44 Clinton +6.0
Insider Advantage 04/02 - 04/02 659 LV 45 42 Clinton +3.0
Morning Call 03/27 - 04/02 406 LV 49 38 Clinton +11.0
PPP (D) 03/31 - 04/01 1224 LV 43 45 Obama +2.0
Strategic Vision (R) 03/28 - 03/31 504 LV 49 41 Clinton +8.0

Answer:
Because it says what you want!

Posted by: Cherry Picker | April 8, 2008 5:04 PM

PA Women, Whites, Stand by Hillary, Turn Back The Clock On Obama: In a Democratic Primary in Pennsylvania today, 04/08/08, two weeks to the vote, Hillary Clinton defeats Barack Obama 56% to 38%, according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted exclusively for WCAU-TV Philadelphia, KDKA-TV Pittsburgh, WHP-TV Harrisburg, and WNEP-TV Wilkes-Barre. The results are almost identical to a SurveyUSA poll released one month ago. Then, Clinton led by 19. Today, 18. In between, however, in a SurveyUSA tracking poll released last week, Obama had closed to within 12 points. What happened in the past 7 days? 1st: Some of the men who flirted with Obama at the end of March have returned to Clinton. Other men have moved to the sidelines. Last week, Obama led by 7 among men. Men were 46% of likely voters. Today, Clinton leads among men. Men are 42% of likely voters. 2nd: Obama lost ground among voters age 35 to 49. A week ago, he had caught Clinton in this age group. Today, he's down 18. By contrast, there is no movement among voters age 50+. Clinton's lead among voters 50+ is stable across all 3 tracking polls. 3rd: In Southeast PA, which includes Philadelphia and which makes up 42% of likely Democratic voters, Clinton had a good week, Obama a bad week. Clinton is above 50% for the first time and Obama is now down by 9 in a region he must win to carry the state. In Southwest PA, which includes Pittsburgh, Clinton polls at 60% for the first time, 25 points atop Obama. Only in West Central PA, which includes Johnstown, has there been consistent movement toward Obama. 4th: Among moderates, Obama lost key ground while Clinton gained ground. Clinton now leads by 24 points, 60% to 36%. Obama also lost ground among Liberals. And while Obama's support fell among Conservatives, so did Clinton's. 5th: Interviewing for SurveyUSA's 04/01/08 release, one week ago, occurred in the middle of Obama's 6-day bus tour through Pennsylvania, which began on 03/28/08. Obama may have benefited a week ago from the media spotlight. Summary: The complete absence of movement among whites and among women is striking. Among white voters, Clinton polled at 61% in all 3 tracking polls. Among women, Clinton was at 62% a month ago, 62% last week, and 61% today. These two unwavering core constituencies help make Clinton so formidable in the Keystone state.

Posted by: Eat It, Obama! | April 8, 2008 5:03 PM


Hi Patrick NYC

Piece by Piece to reach peace.

First lets get the LIER Grandma out of the court so McS(h)ame can get in with his limping legs.

Posted by: kg | April 8, 2008 5:02 PM

This is all such a waste of time. Hillary lost long ago. At this point she could only win the nomination would be if Obama had a fatal heart attack.

Posted by: PassinThru | April 8, 2008 5:01 PM

As an Obama supporter, I expect Hillary to win, but have not given up all hope. If Pennslyvanians vote for a candidate who lies about being under sniper fire and running to the car or who opposes trade deals such as NAFTA and Colombian trade pact but who closest advisers lobby for it, then they are truly less educated then the media portrays them.

Posted by: AJ | April 8, 2008 5:00 PM

Hillary and her crowd keep scratchin and clawin...you still gonna lose...ugly too...just like they want it.

She gets asked by GMA about Mark Penn and his sloppy business dealings and she tries to say Barack had the same problem when one of his economic advisors meet with some Canadian official...deflection always looks bad...people are not that dumb and really like it when you just face up to the fact that you may have made a mistake hiring this guy as your SENIOR CAMPAIGN ADVISOR!

This is not pretty thing to watch...but Karma sucks sometimes!

Posted by: Redline | April 8, 2008 5:00 PM

To the People of Pennsylvania:

People like Joe Scarborough keep saying the blue collar white male workers would not vote of Obama. Is he saying that blue collar worker are stupid and prejudice? I certainly don't think so. I grew up in Philly and know how the jobs left and the people had to fight for good jobs causing racial friction. Obama mentioned your plight and understands you are getting screwed too, not just minorities.
Joe and others like Hannity and O'Reilly want you to be angry at Obama painting him as a racist and vote for Hillary so they can defeat her.
The Republicans want to eliminate unions (remember Reagan?) and send jobs overseas and keep this war going for corporate profit. I think Obama should not state that he will end the war in 16 months though but he has a better chance of bringing the world in on this. The polls stated that he has the best chance of uniting the country (perhaps the world in time).
Look at how the campaigns are being run. Obama's campaign has bee fiscally sound with little debt. Hillary had to borrow money, and owes millions in debt and so is McBush's. That tells you something about how the economy will be run. Don't just look at the man or his race, but the people working around him and not his pastor. Remember, the FOX boys have noting to fight with but race and fear. Hillary has proven to be unreliable emotionally and loyal to the party. It has already been exposed.
People of Pennsylvania, lets end this infighting and vote to end this. Don't vote for McBush as a protest vote, you are only damaging yourself and don't vote for Hillary because you are only prolonging the inevitable.

Posted by: Gws | April 8, 2008 4:59 PM


BREAKING NEWS
=============

Hillary offered MORE WHITE HOUSE PLEASURES than planned to Bill if he does not get ANGRY and does not sleep next 2 weeks to campaign for her.

Bill agreed conditionally that he needs to see more Pennsylvania Girls in Hillary's White House Administration.


Posted by: kg | April 8, 2008 4:59 PM

Hey guys, it's getting closer and closer to the convention and you know what?

One of these 2 candidates will be the Democratic Nominee.

So lighten up on the character-assasinations, already.

Do you honestly want another 4 years of Republican McBush in White House? McBush will cover up ALL the screw-ups of Bush Junior. Do you want that? McBush will appoint God-knows-who to the Supreme Court. These Court appointments aren't even about abortion any more, they're about everything else we hold dear.

Do you want 4 more years of a "unitary executive"? 100 years in Iraq?

If you do, keep piling on the crap.

I question whether all the commenters on Democratic issues are actual Dems, or are they Limbaugh Republicans? How do you people sleep at night? You treat this election like it's a big friggin' joke.

Posted by: tony the pitiful copywriter | April 8, 2008 4:57 PM

Irish for O'bama! Obama-Pelosi '08!

Posted by: Dr Ray from Ohio | April 8, 2008 4:51 PM
--------------------
I would not vote for Pelosi if it meant keeping Bush.

Posted by: Patrick NYC | April 8, 2008 4:57 PM

Obama-Pelosi '08

WOW. Almost feels like end of Global Warming to me. I really wish that happens.

Once LIER Lady gets OUT, we get to come out of this FOG and could see FUTURE.

Posted by: kg | April 8, 2008 4:55 PM

She would leave Wright's Church she says but will stay with her cheating husband. Wow, what a phony. Are you getting the message Clinton folks?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 4:54 PM

PA Women, Whites, Stand by Hillary, Turn Back The Clock On Obama: In a Democratic Primary in Pennsylvania today, 04/08/08, two weeks to the vote, Hillary Clinton defeats Barack Obama 56% to 38%, according to a SurveyUSA poll conducted exclusively for WCAU-TV Philadelphia, KDKA-TV Pittsburgh, WHP-TV Harrisburg, and WNEP-TV Wilkes-Barre. The results are almost identical to a SurveyUSA poll released one month ago. Then, Clinton led by 19. Today, 18. In between, however, in a SurveyUSA tracking poll released last week, Obama had closed to within 12 points. What happened in the past 7 days? 1st: Some of the men who flirted with Obama at the end of March have returned to Clinton. Other men have moved to the sidelines. Last week, Obama led by 7 among men. Men were 46% of likely voters. Today, Clinton leads among men. Men are 42% of likely voters. 2nd: Obama lost ground among voters age 35 to 49. A week ago, he had caught Clinton in this age group. Today, he's down 18. By contrast, there is no movement among voters age 50+. Clinton's lead among voters 50+ is stable across all 3 tracking polls. 3rd: In Southeast PA, which includes Philadelphia and which makes up 42% of likely Democratic voters, Clinton had a good week, Obama a bad week. Clinton is above 50% for the first time and Obama is now down by 9 in a region he must win to carry the state. In Southwest PA, which includes Pittsburgh, Clinton polls at 60% for the first time, 25 points atop Obama. Only in West Central PA, which includes Johnstown, has there been consistent movement toward Obama. 4th: Among moderates, Obama lost key ground while Clinton gained ground. Clinton now leads by 24 points, 60% to 36%. Obama also lost ground among Liberals. And while Obama's support fell among Conservatives, so did Clinton's. 5th: Interviewing for SurveyUSA's 04/01/08 release, one week ago, occurred in the middle of Obama's 6-day bus tour through Pennsylvania, which began on 03/28/08. Obama may have benefited a week ago from the media spotlight. Summary: The complete absence of movement among whites and among women is striking. Among white voters, Clinton polled at 61% in all 3 tracking polls. Among women, Clinton was at 62% a month ago, 62% last week, and 61% today. These two unwavering core constituencies help make Clinton so formidable in the Keystone state.

Stop spreading your lies, WaPo!

Posted by: You Lie! | April 8, 2008 4:52 PM

Its great to come back after a couple of weeks and see how most folks have finally caught the wind of reality that some of us have been sailing for months...Hillary is done...and by her own doing.

The Main Event:

Obama vs. McCain

Watch Obama take him down like a gentleman and lead America forward into the 21st Century. Good-bye old school politicos! Its time for something new! Let us get a chance now that you've had yours!

Posted by: Redline | April 8, 2008 4:52 PM

Mark Penn's continued work with the campaign will undercut Hillary's votes in "Penn"sylvania. It is a slap in the face of every union person in PA.

To those who think the charismatic Obama can't win against the boring-as-my-grandfather McCain, the only way McCain can win is if Hillary is the Dem nominee. She will bring out Republicans out of the wood works. Republicans hate her worse than they hate even Bill.

With many Dems (African Americans, young people and others) not turning out and Republicans showing up in droves, it will be a landslide victory for McCain if Hillary is the nominee.

Irish for O'bama! Obama-Pelosi '08!

Posted by: Dr Ray from Ohio | April 8, 2008 4:51 PM

Hey, hey, HEY!!


Could we quit talking about the issues??

Could we get back to attacking each other?

Does it matter if the world continues its decay so long as OUR CANDIDATE wins???

Let's quit looking for solutions and get on with Hate Week!


Aahhhh, that's better. >:-)


In all seriousness, though, I'm sick of being manipulated by all of them - the candidates, the media, the lot. Just so they can get elected or sell a commercial. Politics can't function without the creation of supporting armies that are then geared up to attack each other (just read Shakespeare's "Julius Caesar") by politicians interested primarily in themselves. Beats figuring out how to fix things, I guess.

Posted by: treetopflyer | April 8, 2008 4:51 PM

Many of Clinton's supporters on this comment trail are sad and bitter losers. Their identity is so tied up in Clinton's rise that they are frighteningly unstable. It is not the world's fault that you were the last one picked for the team or that your daddy didn't pay attention to you.

Get a life, and please recognize that the type of vile rhetoric you are using in this forum would get you rightfully fired by your deity, as what happened to Geraldine Ferraro.

Posted by: Shoe on the other foot | April 8, 2008 4:50 PM

CLINTON = BETRAYAL

She betrayed Bill RichardSon after all LATINOS VOTED for her and even took an extra step calling him as Zero as not many LATINO VOTERS LEFT.

Bill Clinton BETRAYED his own marriage. Surprisingly, Usually Angry Hillary seems to worked out deals (Senator Post) after deals (President post).

Chelsey tell you "NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS". I guess Hillary must have taught Chelsey that they OWN WHITE HOUSE.

CRAZY WOMAN still pushing for Obama as her VP behind scenes without a clue that no one will vote even Obama if he is in VP position.

Get a grip, its not about who Obama is but what his PATH is.

Posted by: kg | April 8, 2008 4:49 PM

Will someone from the Hillary camp please tell me what you see in her....I'm not a fan of any of the candidates - but I'm dumbfounded how one can support an individual that has been countlessly caught lying..

Posted by: John | April 8, 2008 4:45 PM

I wonder that too. I am dying to hear this.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 4:49 PM

Hillary Clinton is suffering of post traumatic stress disorder since her Bosnia adventure where she was under snipper fire and which might explain her drop in the polls... She is making up a story about the uninsured pregnant woman who died because she was refused treatment (while in fact the woman had insurance and was not refused treatment at the hospital)... She is making up a story about criticizing the war in Iraq in the senat before Obama did (while in fact Obama criticized the war before her in the U.S. senat as well as years before when running for office for the Illinois senat)... She is making up a story about Mark Penn who would be out of her campaign because lobbying for trade with the Colombia's government while he is not out of her campaign (Penn is still in charge of the polling on which she depends).

Hillary Clinton is suffering of post traumatic stress disorder and so is her campaign.

Posted by: Logan | April 8, 2008 4:47 PM

ichief===we're like Chelsea, we're just little kids . You can't ask us those questions. It's none of your business.

Posted by: oldman&theC | April 8, 2008 4:47 PM

Will someone from the Hillary campl please tell me what you see in her....I'm not a fan of any of the candidates - but I'm dumbfounded how one can support an individual that has been countlessly caught lying...and then with the recent Snipergate..to actuaally make the claim she misspoke is beyond pale....perhaps mis-speaking as to whether or not it was cloudy...but to mis speak that you were under sniper fire when you hit the tarmac.....C'mon...I'm just wondering how you over look these continuous lies....and she's not even President yet??

Posted by: John | April 8, 2008 4:45 PM

Wow, I'm awed by the clearly articulated, rational, and engaging comments in this thread. It's truly inspiring, and I am even more proud of being an American after reading my fellow citizens' well-reasoned opinions.

Posted by: Civility | April 8, 2008 4:44 PM

l.o.l - Very Good Mike. You had me going at first.

Posted by: Greg. | April 8, 2008 4:44 PM

Hillary is planning to CRY (LITERALLY) again on Apr 20th just like she won the second state.

Other option she will take is do something to hold on to all the Grannies.

I love my Grannie but no way I would let her decide the FATE OF WORLD not just USA. But for my home though, she is the Queen.

Most of these Clintonites (Grannie minded CULT) don't get the point that they are LEGISLATING Bill's 2007 Christmas wish of "WHITE HOUSE PLEASURES".

Posted by: kg | April 8, 2008 4:43 PM

I dunno about Pennsylvania for Hillary. Bosnia. $109 million. Fish story $109 million.Mark Penn. $109 million. Colombia free trade.$109 million. Embellished story on death of patient in Ohio. $109million.did you see her national ratings?South like American manufacturers after NAFTA.

Posted by: oldman&theC | April 8, 2008 4:42 PM


Many of Obama supporters on this comment trail are sad and bitter losers. Their identity is so tied up in Obama's rise that they are frighteningly unstable. It is not the world's fault that you were the last one picked for the team or that your daddy didn't pay attention to you.

Get a life, and please recognize that the type of vile rhetoric you are using in this forum would get you rightfully fired by your deity, as what happened to Samantha Power.

Posted by: jpm | April 8, 2008 4:40 PM

I'm all for Hilary's idea of letting the the party elders decide it at the convention.

This works well in other countries, notably, Russia. They always get a strong candidate who wins decisively, and is able to set the tone for the country without the sniping associated with having opposition.

Many other countries find this works well also, such as Uganda, Haiti, Venezuela, Cuba, and our good friends the Chinese.

Posted by: mike | April 8, 2008 4:39 PM

"I find it hilarious that Obama lovers say if he loses, again, it is indeed a win if he only loses by 5%
Posted by: j9 | April 8, 2008 4:14 PM"

How about a sports analogy? UNC was outscored 44 to 27 in the first half of their game agasint Kansas, they then outscored Kansas by about 17 points thorugh the first 15 minutes of the second half before Kansas stopped the run. Can we claim that UNC won because they won that particular 15 mintues of the game? The fact remains that Obama has built a huge lead which will require Clinton to win AT LEAST 60% of the remaining votes... once again.... she needs to win EVERY REMAINING STATE by AT LEAST 20 POINTS to close the gap. Since she hasn't won a single contest by 20 points what do you think her chances are? So, by a continuation of that logic, losing by only 5% is a win (the war... not the battle)!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 4:38 PM

Reminds me of kids playing baseball...He's hiding behind the rotten kids - like Leahy - who taunt the hitters in baseball..."Hey batter - batter...you can't hit it!" Then the batter lines it over the pitchers head. :)

Posted by: | April 8, 2008 4:23 PM

Yeah, he should be like Hillary. When she got caught lying about Bosnia, she brings up Wright and how she would leave the church to take the attention away from her. What Bull. Then she says they asked her (they asked here before, and she would not answer). This time, now that she is in trouble, she decides to rat on Obama. If you notice, check out the video, she made a PREPARED STATEMENT READING FROM A SCRIPT. What a B.

Posted by: Greg | April 8, 2008 4:36 PM

I lived in State College and met students and parents from all over the state.

It is a place where ester is a big deal and all the kids go back home. There big problems in Pa are almost the opposite of the DC problems.
This elections is a lot about identity. A-holes like Obama and there just are not quit enough in PA to put Obama over the top if you add in the Black and cultist vote.

Posted by: Mul | April 8, 2008 3:42 PM"

Dear Mul:

I would have expected ester to be a big deal in Newark, not PA.

A-hole?

Cultist vote?

What did your village do for an idiot while you were away @ State?

Posted by: Restive | April 8, 2008 4:35 PM

"Wait, which am I, cultist, black or an a-hole?"

An apostate muslim that converted 20 years ago to the Black Liberation Christian Theology preached every Sunday in Trinity UCC.

Posted by: jdcw | April 8, 2008 4:20 PM

Yeah, same of crap. Try again. Nothing to see here.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 4:30 PM

Hillary,
I am with U.
JOhn

Posted by: John | April 8, 2008 4:26 PM

Hernandez posted: "Like I said, look how the various campaigns were run. Looks how the candidate handled an adverse issue in a reserved and dignified manner."
-- --

Yeah Obama is so reserved one would think he's on tranquilizers...then he uses surrogates to drop the race bombs, tell his opponent to drop out. What a wimp!

Reminds me of kids playing baseball...He's hiding behind the rotten kids - like Leahy - who taunt the hitters in baseball..."Hey batter - batter...you can't hit it!" Then the batter lines it over the pitchers head. :)

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 4:23 PM

"Wait, which am I, cultist, black or an a-hole?"

An apostate muslim that converted 20 years ago to the Black Liberation Christian Theology preached every Sunday in Trinity UCC.

Posted by: jdcw | April 8, 2008 4:20 PM

"the.man_in_black, go check out the SurveyUSA poll from PA released about an hour ago - it shows Hillary with an 18 point lead over Obama. Maybe that will answer your question about the latest headlines at Wapo.

Posted by: ichief | April 8, 2008 4:06 PM"

Look deeper at that poll, look at the composition of the poll specifically. 58% were women to 42% men and 82% white to 14% black (what happened to the other 2%)... I can make statisitcs say anything I want them to say... why is this particular poll the only one not to show any change? Cherry pick all you want but it doesn't change the facts.

Posted by: BD | April 8, 2008 4:19 PM

Ms. Sniper Fire may squeak out a win in PA but, in the long run, she's week-old toast.

Posted by: reporter1 | April 8, 2008 4:15 PM

Thanks "Paul Hernandez Jr. SFC, US Army"

Unfortunately, some folks just don't want to accept the inevitable. Then you got that moron talking about Mrs Obama. This is what we are up against. There are a lot of folks who can't imagine an African American in the White House no matter how qualified. Like I said, look how the various campaigns were run. Looks how the candidate handled an adverse issue in a reserved and dignified manner.

As for McCain, he talks about the war and failed continuously to vote for a GI Bill in support of the troop. No mention of this on FOX. Again, which ever Democrat wins, support that candidate. The stakes are very high. If McBush gets in, need I remind you what the Supreme Court would look like. Your rights are in jeopardy.

Posted by: greg | April 8, 2008 4:15 PM

I find it hilarious that Obama lovers say if he loses, again, it is indeed a win if he only loses by 5%. If he is the 2nd coming - and the fact that he is outspending her 3-1 or so - why is he still a loser in one of the biggest swing states in the union? Guess y'all wanna lose in November. McCain will do well here in PA vs. a race-baiting loon who is trying to ruin what's left of the Dem party by painting everyone from Ferraro to Hillary to anyone who dare criticize his him a "RACIST".

As a Republican turned Dem to vote for Hillary in the PA primary (because I'd rather see either her or McCain as prez) it is quite interesting to see the far left loons turn on the party who has bent over backwards to pacify them. Too much bending and now moderate Dems are getting bitten in the behind.

Posted by: j9 | April 8, 2008 4:14 PM

Hillary to Gen Patreus: "no one," and those are your words, "no one in the United States ...

Hillary, you said it! Those are general's "words"!!! Since when words started to matter more? Oh yeah, since your campaign advisor got caught trying to get US-Columbia Free Trade Agreemnt passed by our government. Until then, actions were the most important thing.

Posted by: Dave | April 8, 2008 4:14 PM

Posted by: Stop The HilLIARY Dynasty | April 8, 2008 4:13 PM

Obviously more and more people are finding out just how sleazy and dishonest Clinton really is. Classless, with no integrity, ethics or morals, she is not suited to be in charge of our selflessly serving military members who her lowlife husband and she abhor. Pure human debris is what the Clintons are.

Posted by: LarryG62 | April 8, 2008 4:12 PM

Senator Clinton will finish strong. We love PA!

Posted by: John | April 8, 2008 4:11 PM

Governor Rendell thinks that Hillary should cut Penn completely. Hillary thinks otherwise and is keeping him. Is that great and decisive leadership or not?

The guy who has her ear and has led her to near defeat, the guy who consults with killer regimes like Colombia, the guy hired to help pass a bill Hillary opposes, is being kept at HILLARY'S INSISTENCE!

What's wrong with this picture?

Remember the Kamikazis in WW2?

Posted by: Richard McDonough | April 8, 2008 4:10 PM

I wouldn't place too much stock in a single poll, but what's interesting is the overall trend. All polls except one (Survey USA) show the Pennsylvania race tightening, with most showing Obama cutting the gap to low single-digits. In addition to the Quinnipiac survey quoted here, Rasmussen has Clinton up 48-43, ARG has it tied 45-45, Insider Advantage has Clinton up 45-42, and PPP has Obama up narrowly, 45-53. Muhlenberg College has Clinton up 51-41, but even that represents a narrowing from earlier surveys.

Also out today: a new general election match-up poll showing Obama leading Washington State by a comfortable margin (51-44), while Clinton narrowly trails McCain there (46-45). This is consistent with other polls showing major Clinton general election vulnerabilities in the Pacific Northwest, Mountain West, and Upper Midwest, in states where Obama either leads or is highly competitive against McCain. E.g., a poll out yesterday shows Clinton trailing McCain by a whopping 51-36 in Iowa, a state where Obama leads McCain 46-42. Similar results in Oregon, Colorado, Wisconsin, North Dakota, and Nebraska . Hillary's "electability" argument falls apart a little more each day.

Posted by: Brad K | April 8, 2008 4:09 PM

Gonna be all over soon...then Crazy Hill can get some much needed rest.

Posted by: Kase | April 8, 2008 4:09 PM

Are any of the Obama supporters on this message board over the age of 12?

Posted by: ichief | April 8, 2008 4:09 PM

Drip, Drip, Drip....

Is the pot boiling over or just full!

We really will not know until the PA elections.. but I propose that Hillary has biten off more than she can BREW!

Posted by: puddlescited | April 8, 2008 4:08 PM

If you prefer dynasties(like the Bushies) you're going to love eight years of the Clintons. Hillary only lies when she is caught. That's a great basis for the presidency. At least the present president "misspeaks" because he is plain stupid.If Hillary was stupid, which she is not, she and Bill wouldn't be near as dangerous.

Posted by: padric | April 8, 2008 4:07 PM

P Hernandez posted:
Ladies and Gentlemen Barack Obama has already won the Democratic nomination period.
--------------

DOH! Does this mean us Pennsylvanians can stay home April 22nd. Another bold, dramatic lie - just like an Obama speech...

Posted by: j9 | April 8, 2008 4:07 PM

After PA and NC/Indiana, where Hillary loses at least two of the three, including PA, she is done. That is a fork sticking out of her behind.

Posted by: jeffp | April 8, 2008 4:06 PM

If the superdelegates overturn the primary election I will find it hard not to write in Obama because it will remind me too much of the 2000 presidential election and I can't vote for that..noooo, no can do, no i can't vote for that...

Posted by: Jim | April 8, 2008 4:06 PM

the.man_in_black, go check out the SurveyUSA poll from PA released about an hour ago - it shows Hillary with an 18 point lead over Obama. Maybe that will answer your question about the latest headlines at Wapo.

Posted by: ichief | April 8, 2008 4:06 PM


I stand by Obama 110%.

Hillaries donors are corporations and PACS - all the special interests that manipulate our government. We would see even more of that if they didn't have to have the 3 (!!) years extension to file their 2007 taxes. Nice that they have those Cayman Island accounts. They need offshore accounts why?? How can she change that?

Obama is supported by regular people like me who want change in government (not years of Clinton, Bush, Clinton, Bush) and are willing to donate $50.

Posted by: Andy | April 8, 2008 4:05 PM

Or should have said - more undecided blacks went for Hillary - he gained 2% and she gained 6%.

Posted by: j9 | April 8, 2008 4:05 PM

Hillary may win PA, but I dont think it will be a blowout victory, more like a 3 to 4 point win, which will not gibe her much more delegates. After PA is all downhill except maybe for Ky & Puerto Rico. at the end of the primaries if she has still not quit, she will be behind in popular vote, pledged delegates and will only rely on Super delegates + MI& FL. That is a non starter and the super Ds will fall one by one or state by state for OBAMA. Hopefully atleast then she will go home and not continue the losing battle.

Posted by: k611 | April 8, 2008 4:04 PM

It seems as though whenever Obama has the time to present himself to the public that Hillary's lead always dwindles. This is not because these people are unintelligent (in fact polling shows otherwise) if that were true then those same people would be duped by Hillary's string of lies which is so long now it reaches all the way from Ohio to Bosnia.

This is why I do not think the votes in Fla and Mich. should stand as is. The more people see and listen to Obama, the more they want to vote for him. Clinton had the benefit of name recognition before anybody knew of Obama, he didn't campaign in either state so naturally more people voted for Clinton. Had he been able to campaign there I'm not sure if Clinton would have won, or at least it would have been a heck of a lot closer.


Posted by: Jim | April 8, 2008 4:03 PM

One interesting tidbit from this poll -Obama's black support has slipped:

• Black voters back Sen. Obama, 75 to 17 percent, compared to 73 to 11 percent in the last poll.
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http://www.postgazette.com/pg/08099/871433-100.stm
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I think Obama has operated a lame campaign here - bowling being the only memorable event. Gutter ball! He may not score a 37 in the primary. :P


Posted by: j9 | April 8, 2008 4:03 PM

It always amazes me that people will speak of Obama's lack of experience, but if you truly want change you have to do things differently. If we continue to so the same things over and over we will continue to create the insanity. I believe that we need to make a lot of changes within our government that Hillary will not do.

Posted by: Agent of change | April 8, 2008 4:02 PM

Did anyone see the clip of Hillary
discussing how she felt when she
heard about MLK being shot.

She said, 'I got so angry, I was
a Jr. at Wellesley, I went to my
dorm room so angry and FLUNG my
backpack crashing against the wall!'

What a load of sh!t!!! She was President of the Young Republicans and a huge fan of the conservative perspective that was hugely racist. The conservatives were FURIOUS with LBJ at the time, for passing the civil rights legislation.

Hillary is a liar of the highest order!

Posted by: Gosh Darn Mad | April 8, 2008 3:59 PM

Don't blame PennState State College,

Posted by: Mul | April 8, 2008 3:42 PM"

Its probably one of the idiots living there. You know, the blue collar voter. I lived in Pennsylvania, and boy, are they prejudice. You see the statistics, Obama gets the educated and Hillary gets the retarded.

Posted by: Greg | April 8, 2008 3:58 PM

"I hate That typical ANGRY Black Woman = Hussien wife.

She is so UGLY, she is not good enough to be first lady

Posted by: | April 8, 2008 3:53 PM"

Dude, take off your white hood. I've always wanted to see what someone would look like with an A-hole in place of his mouth!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 3:58 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen Barack Obama has already won the Democratic nomination period. He has won more pledged delegates, more popular votes and taken twice as many contests as Hillary. You cannot move the goal posts any longer just ask Nancy Pelosi or Bobby Bowden.

I for one appreciate her helping to temper our candidate with their "Kitchen Sink / Tonya Harding" ways. Barack is now more prepared to face the Republicans and their fear tactics. Karl Rove and his types will attempt to put up a new boogeyman that only Senator McWar can supposedly tackle before us. I am certain the American electorate is not going to be hoodwinked again. We wont allow ourselves to be led down the be afraid, be very afraid road on either foreign affairs or domestic economic policies. He has maintained himself above Billary and Mark Penn's divisiveness win at all costs even if by .5% ways.

I am veteran of the Iraq war having served with honor in the 82nd Airborne Division and am now joined by legions of my comrades in fighting against this war which has taken 4000 plus of my comrades and maimed over 35,000 of us. How much does a trillion and counting of our dollars represent to each and every american family? I challenge each and every reader here to visit the nearest Veterans hospital and see what the true price of this war for no good reason is costing us. No WMDs, No ties to Al Qaeda etc. etc. Disregard the surge is working comments from McCain and Petraeus. both of these gentlemen deserve our respect for their service but not our support for failed strategies and results. Our puppet Iraqi government is in no hurry so long as they can count on us to pay the way. Are Americans aware that our country is actually paying Iraqi's more than they pay those of us on the front lines even though they don't show up when the bullets start flying? It is all coming out of our pockets and no oil revenue is paying for anything of merit.

Senator Obama is brilliant and will surround himself with sage advice in all the key sectors. I pray that our country is really ready for CHANGE and will turn the page on sixteen(16) years of failed leadership.


VOTE BARACK OBAMA AMERICA!

Posted by: Paul Hernandez Jr. SFC, US Army | April 8, 2008 3:58 PM

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!

MY HAIR'S ON FIRE!!! MY HAIR'S ON FIRE!!! AND IF I JUST TYPE IN ALL CAPS, PEOPLE WILL BE MORE LIKELY TO BELIEVE MY RANTING INSULTS AND VOTE FOR MY CANDIDATE!!!!

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Posted by: AAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!! | April 8, 2008 3:54 PM

I hate That typical ANGRY Black Woman = Hussien wife.

She is so UGLY, she is not good enough to be first lady

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 3:53 PM

Richard Nixon was an EXCELLENT bowler who had lanes installed in the bomb shelter underneath the White House.

Posted by: Milhous | April 8, 2008 3:51 PM

Andy:

Hillary DIANE Clinton has not raised any money from "corporations" either.

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 3:50 PM

As an independent who registered as a Democrat is Pennsylvania just to vote in this primary I can tell you that I will be voting for Obama. Why? Simple. Clinton politics were so shameful that they led to people voting for George W. Bush to "restore honor to the White House." No joke. How can anyone who hates what this administration has done to undermine this country's standing in the world possibly consider voting for the idiots whose reprehensible conduct gave us the clowns currently residing in the White House?

Posted by: scott032 | April 8, 2008 3:49 PM

"I lived in State College and met students and parents from all over the state.

It is a place where ester is a big deal and all the kids go back home. There big problems in Pa are almost the opposite of the DC problems.
This elections is a lot about identity. A-holes like Obama and there just are not quit enough in PA to put Obama over the top if you add in the Black and cultist vote.

Posted by: Mul | April 8, 2008 3:42 PM"

******************************************

State College huh? Well, judging from your grasp of the English language I know where NOT to send my kids for college!

Posted by: BD | April 8, 2008 3:49 PM

There's a monster taking incoming sniper fire from blue collar democrats pissed that a multi millionaire purporting to support job creation let her campaign strategist lobby for the Colombian free trade deal, which, like NAFTA, will further excacerbate offshoring and loss of American manufacturing jobs in Pennsylvania and Indiana.

(Did I miss anything?)

Posted by: Monster Hunter | April 8, 2008 3:48 PM

Hillary may win PA but not the nomination -- she has become an albatross around the Democratic Party's neck.

Posted by: meldupree | April 8, 2008 3:46 PM

Take a look at the SUSA poll released today (pollster.com). Hillary has nothing to worry about in PA. 10 point victory MINIMUM

Posted by: James | April 8, 2008 3:46 PM

Wait, which am I, cultist, black or an a-hole? Lord, it gets confusing for me to keep all the labels assigned to me by Hillary's classy supporters straight.

Posted by: ASinMoCo | April 8, 2008 3:45 PM

Barack Obama has run an effective campaign. He began a grassroots campaign engaging voters, raising funds from those voters (not corporations) and is clearly the best choice for President.

While I admire John McCain's service to the country, I do not want to continue wars in hopes of solutions.

Hillary has not managed an effective campaign. She's run up huge debt, gained financial support through big interests and now finds herself running short. (Can't she "borrow" some of the $109 million?). She cannot effectively manage her message,research her stories, manage staff or even effectively fire Penn. What in that shows a good leader?

If you can't run an effective primary campaign how can you run a nation?

Posted by: Andy | April 8, 2008 3:44 PM

Pennsylvanians are an intelligent, skeptical, and serious group of individuals that basically comprise what could be two separate states:

Midwestern values in Pittsburgh - but hate being called "midwestern".

Eastern values in Philadelphia - but hate being thought of in the same notion as New England.

The easterners in Philly will vote Obama.

The midwesterners will take the known quantity of clinton - and will regret it later just like they currently feel about their previous pick of Bush.

Then again, my former mother in law said she "wouldn't walk to the end of her driveway to meet Bill Clinton"

Regardless, I still want a pastrami sandwich with the meat, slaw, and fries all stacked together from Permani Brothers'!

Posted by: JBE | April 8, 2008 3:44 PM

I lived in State College and met students and parents from all over the state.

It is a place where ester is a big deal and all the kids go back home. There big problems in Pa are almost the opposite of the DC problems.

This elections is a lot about identity. A-holes like Obama and there just are not quit enough in PA to put Obama over the top if you add in the Black and cultist vote.

Posted by: Mul | April 8, 2008 3:42 PM

The Touzla fantasy was roughly akin to Mike Tyson biting Evander Holyfield's earlobe off. It's a DQ.

Posted by: David Young | April 8, 2008 3:40 PM

I will vote for McCain if Hillary steals and lots the nomination and I will implore everyone else to do the same. I will also leave the Democratic party and become an Independent.

People do you realize that this is how they elect people in RUSSIA? A bunch of corrupt insiders get together and decide who wins, disregarding the voters. If the citizens of this country have voted and Obama has won the most states, delegates, AND the popular vote only to see it over-turned by party insiders, what kind of a Democracy is this?

I do not want someone in the White House who has no respect for DEMOCRACY. Like I said, I will vote for whoever wins fairly. If Hillary Clinton uses her corrupt party insiders to over-turn the will of the voters I will actively do everything I can to derail her chances of winning, including voting for McCain. I do not want anyone who does not respect the will of the voters to become President in the country. 8 years of Bush is enough.

McCain has faults but at least he did not steal the nomination. There is NO democracy in over-ruling the will of the voters in every conceivable metric.

Posted by: WendyShine78 | April 8, 2008 3:40 PM

"TROLL PATROL!!! "Texas Democrat" normally haunts Politico. Spreading the love nowadays, Tex?

Posted by: Steve Charb | April 8, 2008 3:18 PM"

Texas Democrat.... is that an oxymoron or just a plain moron?

Posted by: BD | April 8, 2008 3:38 PM

The super delegates need to understand that Obama can help us solidify the senate and the congress. His appeal to a wider electorate in many states is crucial. Hillary will most likely not only lose but she will not appeal to anyone in the middle in addition to turning off half the Democratic party for stealing and looting the primary by using corrupt party insiders who place their allegiance for Her Majesty above their service to the country.

If Hillary steals the nomination against the wishes of the voters, the Democratic party is so screwed.

Posted by: JacobH72 | April 8, 2008 3:38 PM

"HE PROBABLY LOST A FEW MILLION VOTES RIGHT THERE-RIGHT WITH THOSE GUTTER BALLS! SHEESH! HOW DOPEY WAS THAT? Mr. ELITIST, CAN'T EVEN THROW A BOWLING BALL DOWN A LANE!

Posted by: farfalle44 | April 8, 2008 3:18 PM"

yeah man, God forbid we should have a president who can't bowl... OH MY GOD!!!!!!
Hillary could at least have bowled a cool 100! And the subject of the next Democratic debate should who is best at doing beer-bongs!

Posted by: BD | April 8, 2008 3:36 PM

Sorry ... can't post now ... sniper fire ... send marines ...must ... keep ... head ... down.

Posted by: Fact or fiction | April 8, 2008 3:36 PM

Her polls should go down why would someone vote for a proven liar? Sniper fire in Bosnia, a woman and her hospital story and the granddaddy of all lies that she is against free trade when her campaign was headed by lobbyist actually planning to help a free trade deal with a foreign government. The woman cannot be trusted with the truth.

Posted by: Scott | April 8, 2008 3:35 PM

This poll does not matter. Only polls where Hillary is leading matter. Since Obama is leading Hillary with such a large margin, this poll is even more worthless.

If you only count the states that Hillary won, you can see quite clearly that Hillary is winning! Isn't this enough reason for her to win the nomination? Why do we consider states that she did not win or is behind in polls? I am a Hillary supporter and I don't understand this. And don't say that I am uneducated or can't do math. I am a kindergarten graduate!

Posted by: Only Hillary Matters | April 8, 2008 3:35 PM

Posted by: Mul | April 8, 2008 3:28 PM

I lived in PA for 3 years. Not Obama country.

Hillary will win by 10 at a minimum and Obama has done nothing to help himself the last 4 weeks in PA other than run some ads.

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That's just wonderful. How many towns, cities, counties have you been to in PA? How many people do you know there in PA? Spneding 3 years in PA makes you an expert? You are just like Hillary - no credibility.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 3:34 PM

BO will never win the GE. :-)

Posted by: tonilynn | April 8, 2008 3:32 PM

Funny how when the polls are favorable towards Hillary, her fans believe it. And when its not favorable, HERE COMES THE EXCUSES. You folks are so desperate. She has try everything to win. So sad.

Posted by: Greg | April 8, 2008 3:31 PM

AAAAAAAAHHH!!!:

ok, that was funny. and nonpartisan, i suppose. LOL

Posted by: rajjjj | April 8, 2008 3:31 PM

I am a 13 year old girl who likes to sound like it even when talking about adult issues.

Posted by: Quinn | April 8, 2008 3:31 PM

If you want the latest poll data, just go to realclearpolitics.com. Here is the latest for PA:

RCP Average 03/27 - 04/07 - 48.6 41.6 Clinton +7.0
Rasmussen 04/07 - 04/07 695 LV 48 43 Clinton +5.0
SurveyUSA 04/05 - 04/07 597 LV 56 38 Clinton +18.0
Quinnipiac 04/03 - 04/06 1,340 LV 50 44 Clinton +6.0
Insider Advantage 04/02 - 04/02 659 LV 45 42 Clinton +3.0
Morning Call 03/27 - 04/02 406 LV 49 38 Clinton +11.0
PPP (D) 03/31 - 04/01 1224 LV 43 45 Obama +2.0
Strategic Vision (R) 03/28 - 03/31 504 LV 49 41 Clinton +8.0

Posted by: Hays | April 8, 2008 3:28 PM

I lived in PA for 3 years. Not Obama country.

Hillary will win by 10 at a minimum and Obama has done nothing to help himself the last 4 weeks in PA other than run some ads.

Posted by: Mul | April 8, 2008 3:28 PM

Hillary just go away. Your only hope to win the nomination is that Obama leaves public office all together, and how likely is that. I know that you have been dreaming of being president since the early 90's. I also know that dreams sometimes die hard. But make no mistake, its dying, slow and easy, or fast and hard. Its definitely dying. Just give up and go back to the Senate and take Harry Reid's place, he no good anyway.
Obama/Richardson 08

Posted by: Quinn | April 8, 2008 3:27 PM

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!

MY HAIR'S ON FIRE!!! MY HAIR'S ON FIRE!!! AND IF I JUST TYPE IN ALL CAPS, PEOPLE WILL BE MORE LIKELY TO BELIEVE MY RANTING INSULTS AND VOTE FOR MY CANDIDATE!!!!

AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Posted by: AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!! | April 8, 2008 3:25 PM

Hey farfalle44

Did you see Hillary bowl on Ellen the other day. You Hillary folks are so desperate. You may be right about folks when they get in the booth. I used to live in PA, I know how it is. Hillary will probably win but not by the percentage she hoped. Then she will move the goal post again. Nevertheless, if she wins, I will vote for her. I got to remember the Supreme Court nominations.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 3:25 PM

Hillary will prevail in PA, and by a good margin. Of course people tell pollsters they are voting for BO, but they won't inside the booth.
Besides, if BO gets the nomination, he won't win the GE. Wait till voters hear more from his wife (there's an interesting blogging called "Michelle Obama's Anger" on the front page here).
She's no "Lady."

Posted by: tonilynn | April 8, 2008 3:24 PM

No offense guys, but what are Hillary supporters smoking? You argue about the "experience" of your candidate. You say definitively what PA voters will and will not do. But 6 months ago you "knew" that HRC wasn't even gonna face a major fight. Worked out well, huh.

(what's hillary gonna throw to stop her poll slide this time? the kitchen sink is already out the window. perhaps the baby with the bathwater? God i hope not. this country can't handle another republican presidency.)

Posted by: Tom W | April 8, 2008 3:23 PM

Yes, what about Rush Limbaugh and his Operation Chaos Republican sheep voters who are switching sides to vote for Hillary? They need to be included in the polls.

Posted by: chris from Oregon | April 8, 2008 3:20 PM

TROLL PATROL!!! "Texas Democrat" normally haunts Politico. Spreading the love nowadays, Tex?

Posted by: Steve Charb | April 8, 2008 3:18 PM

My belief is, that the pollsters are going to be quite surprised at how wide the gap will be between Clinton and Obama in Clinton's favor-ONCE THE VOTERS GET IN THE POLLING BOOTH, AND THINK ABOUT THE DO-NOTHING, NO EXPERIENCE OBAMA THAT IS, THE FINAL RESULTS WILL BE DIFFERENT THAN THE SHRINKING PREDICTIONS.

Why, I'd be willing to bet that once the people of Pa. saw Obama the super-klutz throw two balls into the gutter like a 10 year old girl would do (actually, I've seen 10year old girls who could throw a bowling ball and hit pins, FAR better than Obama!) HE PROBABLY LOST A FEW MILLION VOTES RIGHT THERE-RIGHT WITH THOSE GUTTER BALLS! SHEESH! HOW DOPEY WAS THAT? Mr. ELITIST, CAN'T EVEN THROW A BOWLING BALL DOWN A LANE!

Posted by: farfalle44 | April 8, 2008 3:18 PM

JakeMOROND is up early today.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 8, 2008 3:17 PM

Texas Democrat says Obama has done nothing but insult the intelligence of PA voters. Coming from Texas, the State that gives us Bush, polygamists, and the leader in Capital Punishment, I am not surprise. Still talking about the Wright and Rezko issue after all this time. Amazing. Same argument, about Ohio and Floridaaaa. Look, Hillary lost voters on her own from all the lies and deceit. PA will have to choose Obama or McCain. The more you listen to McCain, now that the press is finally focusing on him, the more you see how dangerous and incompatible he is. Question, if you can run your campaign properly, how can you run the country?

Posted by: GREG | April 8, 2008 3:16 PM

peterdc:

How many African-Americans do you think will vote for Hillary DIANE Clinton if she manages to steal the nomination?

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 3:15 PM

Interesting you report this but not survey usa which released a poll today with Clinton up 18%.

I don't think either is most likely accurate at this time. The polling and tracking polls mean nothing at this point. To hear Obama is up 11% nationally among Democrats means as little as when Clinton was up 20%. There are about 4 or 5 states that will decide this election as there usually are. Ohio, Florida, PA and then add another one or two that will be up for grabs. If the Democratic candidate can't win two of three of those or four of five than we won't win again.

I want to know in July when the Democratic primaries are over- what the polls in those states show and that is how we should pick the Democratic candidate. I will support either Clinton or Obama but in reality that makes no difference. I live in a State-(well actually the District) that will give its three electoral votes to whoever is the Democratic candidate. And whether one or the other can win the District with a bigger margin doesn't make a difference as we have seen. Didn't Gore win the popular vote and lose the election?

Democrats- let's be smart about this. We need the candidate who can win in November and lets wait till we finish the primaries and then decide that.

Posted by: peterdc | April 8, 2008 3:13 PM

Has anyone noticed that the
media is pulling another 'Kerry'
on Obama?

There isn't a single positive
headline for the guy. Why didn't
the headline read 'Obama Rapidly Gaining in PA'?

The propaganda machine is in full
grind against Obama.

Posted by: the.man_in_black | April 8, 2008 3:13 PM

All that's left of Hillary's strategy is the Taxicab Strategy--hoping that the star will be hit by a taxi on the way to the theater. Time to throw in the towel, ma'am, and let the party get itself together for the hard fight against John McCain and the evangelicals & neocons who will populate his administration as they have the current one.

Posted by: Eric | April 8, 2008 3:12 PM

Only in America could Hillary Clinton be taken seriously. I don't know whether to congratulate you or laugh at you. But you all sure do know how to make for good reading!

Posted by: Steve from Manitoba | April 8, 2008 3:11 PM

Ahhh, it was FUN while it lasted, but Barack Hussein has become the easier candidate to annihilate now.

Billary, is Going...going...

Posted by: Rat-The | April 8, 2008 3:10 PM

We all need to email the Super-
Delegates and tell them that
we WILL un-seat them if they
vote for Hillary.

Hillary = Lobbyist Pig

Obama = Democracy Restoration

Posted by: the.man_in_black | April 8, 2008 3:08 PM

Polls?
The polls said the same thing in Ohio and it was not the facts. And neither is this ridiculous poll. Obama has done nothing but insult the intellignce of Pennsylvania voters. They are not going to vote for him in these numbers. He is inexperienced and he still has the Rezko, Ayers and Wright controversy. And as core Democrats, Pennsylvania voters also understand the importanace of Florida and Ohio in the General Election. And it is Clinton, not Obama, that can carry these states and actually beat McCain in November. Pennsylvania and the next 9 states including Puerto Rico, vote Clinton! Democrats need to prevail in November!

Posted by: Texas Democrat | April 8, 2008 2:51 PM

What are the Limbaugh Democrats telling pollsters?

Posted by: JakeD | April 8, 2008 2:40 PM

Anyway you cut-it, Hillary has a tough one ahead for her, as these Internet Stats and analysis further show as well;

Pennsylvania Primary- Hillary vs. Barack:

http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=57

Posted by: Dave | April 8, 2008 2:39 PM

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