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Clinton Hammers Obama Over 'Bitter' Comments During Scranton Walking Tour

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), campaigns door to door with Scranton Mayor Christopher Doherty, far left, in Scranton, Pa., April 13, 2008. (Associated Press)

By Perry Bacon Jr.
SCRANTON, Pa. -- For the third straight day, Sen. Hillary Clinton hammered Sen. Barack Obama over his comments about the frustrations of Americans who live in small towns, this time saying he reinforced negative stereotypes people have about Democrats.

"Since this whole discussion started over Senator Obama's remarks, Democrats have reached out to me to say that we can't afford for people to believe that the Democratic Party is elitist and out of touch," Clinton told reporters in a news conference in Scranton, Pa. She added, "His comments were elitist and divisive and the Democratic Party has been unfortunately viewed by many people over the last decade as being elitist and out of touch. We have waged elections over that."

She said Obama needed to address this comments further, adding "what people are looking for is an explanation, what does he really believe."

Obama yesterday suggested that he had been inartful in describing people who live in small towns in American as people who "cling" to religion, guns and sentiments that are opposed to immigration and free trade because they are "bitter" over economic conditions. And he expressed regret over the remark, which he made last week to supporters at a San Francisco fundraiser.

But Clinton would not let up. Her campaign arranged for her go door-to-door and greet people here, where Clinton has now stopped three times over the last month to stump, never forgetting to remind voters here father grew up here.

The walking tour lasted about 30 minutes, as she greeted people who were standing outside of their houses, many waving Clinton signs. And while it may have been a symbolic effort at appealing to small town voters, her words were more direct. Speaking to reporters, she accused Obama, who has defined his candidacy as one that would unify the country, as "creating false distinctions between people."

Clinton seemed frustrated when a reporter turned the issue towards her, asking when she had last attended church or fired a gun.

"That is not a relevant question for this debate," Clinton said. "We can answer that some other time. I went to church on Easter ... but that is not what this is about. This is about how people look at the Democratic Party and the Democratic leadership. We have been working very hard to make it clear we have millions of Democrats who are churchgoing or gun-owning and we are tired of having Republicans or having our own Democrats give any ammunition to the Republicans."

Pressed on whether she had seen "bitterness" on the campaign trail about illegal immigration or free trade, she continued to tear into Obama.

"You don't have to psychoanalyze or patronize people to conclude we have problems," Clinton said. "Of course we have problems, after seven years of George Bush how could we not? ... It's also unfortunate that since of the beginning of his campaign, Senator Obama has consistently denigrated and criticized the Clinton administration, the last successful two-term Democratic president. I frankly think people in Pennsylvania believe they were a lot better off when Bill Clinton was president than they are now."

Clinton's campaign has launched a widespread effort on this issue. At a rally former president Clinton held in rural North Carolina yesterday, aides handed out "We're not bitter" stickers to voters. In an interview with the liberal blog Talking Points Memo yesterday, senior Clinton adviser Geoffrey Garin said "the people who are most likely to be offended by this are also the most likely to be swing voters in general elections."

"These comments, and the larger issue of the Obama campaign's inability to connect with these working class voters, is not a little thing," Garin said. "It's a big thing. And it's a big thing that is likely to end up making a big difference in November."

He added, "Working class people in all parts of America are frustrated, but they are not small-minded in the way that Senator Obama's comments conveyed."

Appearing on CNN's Late Edition, Sen. Bob Casey (D-Penn.), who has campaigned around the state with Obama, said Obama has "expressed regret" about his remarks, but said of people in the state, "They're not going to judge him by one statement."

Posted at 3:34 PM ET on Apr 13, 2008
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Obama and Clinton are now trying to get the Catholic votes. CNN stated 51% of Catholics approve abortion. I am a Catholic with lots of Catholic friends and a very large family. None of the Catholics I know approve of abortion. Where is CNN getting this information, making it up? so that their liberal canidates look better to Catholics since most Catholics do not disapprove of abortion? Hog wash

Posted by: Millie Burt | April 15, 2008 11:22 PM

I am from Australia and am following your presidential campaign with avid interest, as it is important to replace that "tin-pot Genghis Khan from Crawford, Texas" with someone who understands such things as honesty, integrity and compassion.
Barack Obama's comments re ordinary Americans is psychologically correct about the general human condition. It is the fundamental root cause of all terrorist activity. And don't believe that it can't happen in America. People who believe that they have lost control of their lives are the same the world over.

Posted by: Ron Tuckwell | April 15, 2008 8:35 PM

Go back to Kenya? Is that all you have to say?

Posted by: Wow | April 15, 2008 3:14 PM

The Democratic party is a mess. Clinton and Obama are the best they can do?? I am a democrat who is voting for McCain and changing parties after the election.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 15, 2008 10:06 AM


still not a memorable, impressive, or significant attack.

obama vs mccain 2008, and obama will kick mccain's butt.

Posted by: eljefejesus | April 15, 2008 1:36 AM

Obama lied again.

When the story first broke in the Huffington Obama denied its existence.

Not until the tape surfaced did OB One Don't Know Be backtrack & go to into damage control & try to explain what he meant.

Obama: What a lying sack of...!

Posted by: dennis | April 14, 2008 11:49 PM

Obama statements are true?? He basically called the people in the small towns of Pennsylvania BIGGOTS. If he would have said that the American people are angry because of the economy, layoffs and inflation that would have been acceptable! However, he was expressing frustration with the people of Pennsylvania because they were not falling for his lies! He has been spending 4 times more in ads then Hillary and he continue to trail her. He basically called them Biggots and racist and used the RACECARD again. He implied the people in Pennsylvania would not vote for him because he is black. Adding that they were BITTER because they were unemployed therefore turning to guns, religion and biggotry!! This is exactly what he said and meant. This does not sound to me as anyone being compassionate, ampathetic or truthful!!

Posted by: LindaGR | April 14, 2008 11:18 PM

Keep up the good work & sooner or later Obama will be exposed for the emptiness that is within him. Hot air & no Substance.
All the money & Ads that obama has thrown at Clinton in Penn and else where has failed to knock her down. The teamsters haven't suceeded either.
All the money his campaign has spent could have gone to the poor & downtroden that he wants to help.Over $100 million in 1 YEAR.
You dont practice what you preach obama.

Posted by: tammie,Princeton NJ | April 14, 2008 5:15 PM



Dear Esteemed Genius,


Didactically yours,

Poor, Bigoted, Racist, Gun-loving, Religious Fanatics Everywhere


Posted by: Rednecks | April 14, 2008 5:14 PM



Dear Esteemed Genius,


Didactically yours,

Poor, Bigoted, Racist, Gun-loving, Religious Fanatics Everywhere


Posted by: Rednecks | April 14, 2008 5:14 PM







Posted by: Kenyan Fiasco | April 14, 2008 5:05 PM

Obama has been arrogantly flashing his anorexic credentials from Day 1, and it just doesn't convince the Great Undecided!
His anorexic resume, which he admitted Himself 4 years ago is "not enough to get teh skills and Judgmnet for the Presidential candidacy in '08"!!

His Judgment is atrociously bad, as witnessed by his 20-year association with his "Moral Compass" and "Mentor"--Rev. Wright!!! He still allows his 2 girls to attend to listen to Hatred Sermons and to watch the obscene (simulating sex acts) on hte pulpit mimicking what "Bill riding Monica, and us, dirty" does ...Why did Obama not remove his 2 young girls from that Church? He could have saved himself hte long speech 20 years too late!

Foreign Policy judgment is despicably lacking in diplomacy as when he actively campaigned on behalf of his Kenyan Opposition Leader Cousin Odinga, a strong Islamist-Marxist advocate of SHARIA LAW!
The Prsident of Keny has objected strongly to a Presidential candidate inerfering in his country's elections. Obama spent a month there last year campaigning with freiend Dick Morris. When riots broke out by his cousin's gangs 50 churches were burned and 700 injured and raped by the Obamaphiles! Calling Condi Rice from Iowa to ask permission to write a speech for Kenyans re the riots was not an intelligent prudent act by Obama but a newcomer's awkward attempt to interfere in the domestic affairs of a sovereign African nation, one of the few non-islamist governments.

Has anyone ever questioned Obama's arrogant display of lack of diplomatic skills and political judgment? Why campaign on behalf of a Marxist-Islamist Revolutionary against American interests in Kenya?! Who does he think he is? That's exactly the problem with Obama. His high opinion of Himself far exceeds his reality grasp. God save America!

Posted by: meme | April 14, 2008 4:14 PM

Hillary is really getting desperate. I
am very bitter about the mess the Bush Administration and republicans have made
of our country. And so are many voters.
She is pathetic.
And Jack smith, am getting so tired of your
repeated comments and your prejiduce.
Get a life, off the net.

Posted by: katiec | April 14, 2008 4:10 PM

Obama said last night he believes women that become pregnant is punishment from God due to"promiscuity" (Obama's own words). Is this why he has so much "bitterness" towards his white mother who became pregnant before she married his African father? Obama has called his mother "wreckless" and atheist in the book he authored. Again, he called her a a non-religion believer (atheist) last night at the Compassion Forum. Or is he just a racist when it comes to his own white family roots?

Posted by: LindaGR | April 14, 2008 3:41 PM

However, can Obama relate to the blue collar worker in this nation? His wealthy white grandparents fully supported his family financially send him to private school, boarding school and Harvard. Obama never had to pay student loans back like the regular blue collar worker. Nevertheless, in Obama's infamous speech about "race" he let the whole nation know that his mother was a racist. This is how he shows his gratitude towards his white grandmother? And why does not ever show his white mother in public. Is he embarassed that she is white. He is such a selfish and ungrateful grandson!

Furthermore, his mother married her second husband immediately after she left Obama's father. Therefore, she was not single for too long as Obama claims. In addition, Obama's mother died when he was about 34 and not a child as he often implies in speeches.

While it is true that Obama's mother and African father were on welfare; they also received full financial support from his white grandparents. Otherwise how would you explain the fancy private schools and boarding schools Obama attended that would have cost thousands of dollars which she could have not afford while receiving welfare and unemployed.

Posted by: LindaGR | April 14, 2008 3:18 PM

To Sheridan: You said you were there when he made these remarks? Are you saying there is another transcript of this recorded conversation? Well why do you not provide it to us? Is your answer that you do not have it?

I heard the entire transcript and it is what it is. This is not a misunderstanding and the words chosen by Obama, "bitter" and "cling" are not distorted. What he should be doing is apoligizing to the voters in Pennsylvania and own up to his own idiocracity. Do not attempt to blame this again on Hillary and McCain. Start putting the Blame wher it belongs on Mr Obama himself!!

Posted by: LindaGR | April 14, 2008 2:54 PM

"And Obama never describes his own views as the products of anything except an accurate perception of reality. Come to think of it, has he ever expressed any doubt about--let alone apologized for--his views? He certainly didn't apologize in his "race" speech. He presents himself as near ominscient, the Archimedian point from which everyone else's beliefs and behavior can be assessed and explained, and to which almost everyone's beliefs will revert after the revolution. ... sorry, I mean after President Obama has restored hope!"

That quote is good. It expresses my opinion of how Obama acts very nicely. I think a more concise quote would be: "Obama is arrogant, condescending, and elitist."

Posted by: hdimig | April 14, 2008 2:17 PM

Last Sunday evening I attended the San Francisco fundraiser that has been the center of recent political jousting. The next day, when asked about the talk Obama delivered, I too commented about his answer to a question he was asked about Pennsylvania. Over the past week, though, I have had a Rashomon-like experience concerning those remarks.
Clinton, McCain, and media pundits have parsed a blogger's audio tape of Obama's remarks and criticized a sentence or two characterizing some parts of Pennsylvania and the attitudes of some Pennsylvanians. In context and in person, Senator Obama's remarks about Pennsylvania voters left an impression diametrically opposed to that being trumpeted by his competitor's campaigns.
At the end of Obama's remarks standing between two rooms of guests -- the fourth appearance in California after traveling earlier in the day from Montana -- a questioner asked, "some of us are going to Pennsylvania to campaign for you. What should we be telling the voters we encounter?"
Obama's response to the questioner was that there are many, many different sections in Pennsylvania comprised of a range of racial, geographic, class, and economic groupings from Appalachia to Philadelphia. So there was not one thing to say to such diverse constituencies in Pennsylvania. But having said that, Obama went on say that his campaign staff in Pennsylvania could provide the questioner (an imminent Pennsylvania volunteer) with all the talking points he needed. But Obama cautioned that such talking points were really not what should be stressed with Pennsylvania voters.
Instead he urged the volunteer to tell Pennsylvania voters he encountered that Obama's campaign is about something more than programs and talking points. It was at this point that Obama began to talk about addressing the bitter feelings that many in some rural communities in Pennsylvania have about being brushed aside in the wake of the global economy. Senator Obama appeared to theorize, perhaps improvidently given the coverage this week, that some of the people in those communities take refuge in political concerns about guns, religion and immigration. But what has not so far been reported is that those statements preceded and were joined with additional observations that black youth in urban areas are told they are no longer "relevant" in the global economy and, feeling marginalized, they engage in destructive behavior. Unlike the week's commentators who have seized upon the remarks about "bitter feelings" in some depressed communities in Pennsylvania, I gleaned a different meaning from the entire answer.
First, I noted immediately how dismissive his answer had been about "talking points" and ten point programs and how he used the question to urge the future volunteer to put forward a larger message central to his campaign. That pivot, I thought, was remarkable and unique. Rather than his seizing the opportunity to recite stump-worn talking points at that time to the audience -- as I believe Senator Clinton, Senator McCain and most other more conventional (or more disciplined) politicians at such an appearance might do -- Senator Obama took a different political course in that moment, one that symbolizes important differences about his candidacy.
The response that followed sounded unscripted, in the moment, as if he were really trying to answer a question with intelligent conversation that explained more about what was going on in the Pennsylvania communities than what was germane to his political agenda. I had never heard him or any politician ever give such insightful, analytical responses. The statements were neither didactic nor contrived to convince. They were simply hypotheses (not unlike the kind made by de Tocqueville three centuries ago ) offered by an observer familiar with American communities. And that kind of thoughtfulness was quite unexpected in the middle of a political event. In my view, the way he answered the question was more important than the sociological accuracy or the cause and effect hypotheses contained in the answer. It was a moment of authenticity demonstrating informed intelligence, and the speaker's desire to have the audience join him in a deeper understanding of American politics.
There has been little or no reaction to the part of the answer that was addressed to the hopelessness of inner city youth who have been rendered "irrelevant" to the global economy. No one has seized upon those words as "talking down" to the inner city youth whose plight he was addressing. If extracted from an audio tape HuffPost Blogger Fowler, those remarks could (and may yet) be taken out of context as "Obama excuses alienation and violence by urban youth." But in context, Senator Obama's response sounded like empathetic conclusions and opinions of a keen observer: more like Margaret Mead than Machiavelli.
As the week's firestorm evolved over these remarks at which I was an accidental observer, I have reflected upon the regrettable irony that has emerged from Senator Obama's response to a friendly question: no good effort at intelligent analysis, candor -- and what I heard as an attempt to convey a profound understanding of both what people feel and why they feel it - goes unpunished. Such insights by a political candidate might otherwise be valued. In a national campaign subject to opposition research, his analytical musing has instead created an immense amount of political flak.
Now and "in this time," to invoke one of the candidate's favorite riffs, such observations and remarks shared among supporters are just a push of a record button on a tape recorder away from being spread across the internet to be dissected by political nabobs. What struck me immediately after the fundraiser as so refreshing turned out to be a moment Senator Obama is forced to regret. Today we marvel at de Tocqueville insights about American communities. Apparently, such commentary is valued as long as it is three centuries old and doesn't come from the mouth of a contemporary observer who might be elected president.
So much for the political ironies. But there is one more personal observation that was missed.
I happened to be on the balcony when Senator Obama's vehicles arrived and he emerged from the Secret Service SUV. Obama shouted the friendly greeting "How are you guys up there doing?" to the group of us looking down from the balcony and then said, "You have to excuse me, I need to call my kids in Chicago now." All of us stood and watched the leading candidate for the Democratic party nomination for president have a short conversation with his kids before he entered a fundraiser to make his remarks.
No tape of that conversation has emerged as yet. Who knows how casual remarks of a father to his children or his wife on a cell phone could be spun to support the argument that as a father speaking to his kids two time zones away before they go to bed, his comments sounded as if he "looked down" upon them. Given his relative height and the age of his kids, he probably does. But that would be precisely as relevant to his capacity to unite and lead this country as were the remarks at the fundraiser that have been so deconstructed over this past week.

Posted by: sheridan1 | April 14, 2008 2:14 PM

Irony: the bitter candidate accuses the optimistic candidate about using the word bitter.

The are sound reasons to vote for Obama. Better executive skills as his leadership of his 250 million dollar campaign shows. Inspires the electorate with his vision about the future. Attracts both Jewish Americans and Palestinian Americans, one example of his ability to relate to divergent viewpoints. He is a man who engenders trust.

We need a brighter future and not the bitterness that Clinton engenders. It is only with honest optimism that we can move this country in the right direction.

Posted by: Ron M | April 14, 2008 1:17 PM

After living through the last two decades of lying politicians, broken promises and wasted lives and money fighting a war that shouldn't have been started in the first place, yes, I am angry, frustrated and B-I-T-T-E-R ! [ you heard that right, Candy Crowley, Kitty Pilgrim, Lou Dobbs, Acosta et al !!!!!!!!]
And I am a very religious gun owner and an "E-L-I-T-S-T" to boot !! - - any problems with that ??!!

Baghdad "BOB" ( for Bitter-Old-Bastard)

Posted by: Bob, PA | April 14, 2008 12:29 PM

Obamabots need to wake up. Obama is a fake and a fraud. This is not the first time he has made condescending comments about average (mostly white) Americans. Look how he threw his grandmother under the bus for political gain. I agree with the Clinton campaigns thinking on Obama, if he wins it is a disaster waiting to happen. Does anyone remember Carter?

Posted by: hdimig | April 14, 2008 12:28 PM

This is EXACTLY the kind of politics and media coverage that I, and so many others, are sick of! Obama's biggest crime is that he talks to Americans like we have IQs in the "normal" range. If McCain and Clinton want to "sound bite" and cut bits out of Obama's comments to make him seem, out of context, like he's elitist or critical, then it only reflects poorly on them. How sad that they prey upon the lowest common denominator of person to "sell" this type of spin. I hope it blows up in Clinton's face, in particular. Her desperation has made her a sad and contemptible competitor in these last months of the race for the democratic nomination. Hillary, you're no different than any of the white males in power - you'll do whatever it takes to win, civility and integrity be damned!

Posted by: bethechange1 | April 14, 2008 12:18 PM

HA - Democrats are out of step, the middle class did not become an issue for them until these elections. Likewise, they remembered they needed white males (who are not ashamed of themselves or their race) to step forward and help either Hillary or Obama win the election. Guess what - you reap what you sow. Good luck to both of the lying political hacks

Posted by: zendrell | April 14, 2008 11:32 AM

Damn right us folks in WV are bitter! We have watched the rich get richer and the poor get poorer for decades. We see our neighbors and sons who volunteer for our Armed services sent off to fight (and die) in Iraq for a huge blunder. We see criminals getting off scott-free because our Troopers who serve in the Guard are not here to testify.

We've seen what few manufacturing industries we had left recently close their doors and our friends out of jobs. We see theft, break-ins, drug use and other crimes going thru the roof with tough economic times. We see our grandparents unable to afford their food, medicines and propoerty taxes.

Damn right I am clinging to my guns! The gov't has utterly failed to address our most pressing needs and if the powers cannot protect us, we retain the right to protect ourselves. "It is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish [a failed gov't], and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." Our Troopers may be off in Iraq with the Guard, but I dare you to try to come into my house, threaten me or mine, try to steal my TV and take it to the pawn shop. You'll be looking into the business end of my Smith and Wesson! Our Troopers may not be here to protect us in desperate time when desperate people are taking desperate measure, so we will protect ourselves and cling to our guns!

Damn right I am clinging to my faith! Just as we learned how Jesus chased the tax collectors and traders out of the temple, people of fatih are banding together to pray for social and economic justice and to find solace with our struggling neighbors and to demand, in the name of God, that our public policies align with the social justice our faith teaches.

Damn right I am bitter about lobbyist inspired trade deals that have us competing on an unlevel playing field with folks in other countiries that are being exploited by multi-national corporations - our jobs shipped overseas where there are no labor or enviromentlay standards and big business get a tax break while we loose our jobs!

Damn right we are bitter and frustrated with the absolute failure of our gov't over the past decades. If Billary and John W. McBush can't see the forest for the trees and can't see that we are angry and struggling in rural WV, then they are way out of touch with the reality in our small towns.

Barack Obama spoke the truth and it scares the snot out of the powers that represent the status quo. No wonder they want to shift attention away from the true fact that we are seriously PO'ed here in rural WV and other small towns across the nation. It frightens Billary and McSame that we are angry and disillusioned with the status quo they and their lobbyist cronies have delivered over the decades.

We will cling to our faith and our guns. We will curse trade ploicy that favors big business while our neighbors go jobless and hungry. We are bitter and we are angry. At least Barack Obama has been in the trenches as a community organizer and although it he wasn't in Appalachia, he get us! He knows we are bitter with the failures of Gov't and he offers solutions that speak to US - not to Washington insiders and lobbtyist!

Posted by: Pasifikawv | April 14, 2008 11:30 AM

She'll take shots on national TV to act like a regular Joe. She'll lie about sniper fire to seem like a courageous leader. She'll say Mcain would be a great commander in chief where obama would make herself look better. Now this B.S. story..where she knocks him for "misspeaking" just like she did. How very Clintonish.

Posted by: markinsa | April 14, 2008 10:52 AM

I think Hillary looks pretty foolish attacking Barack when he makes statements that are basically true.
Maybe she needs another shot of whiskey followed by a mug of beer. As I saw her do that, I think she must be used to drinking liquor. Maybe she needs help like our present President got.

Posted by: Joan in Kentucky | April 14, 2008 10:51 AM

Friday there will be a national Slam One Back For Hillary at bars nationwide. Go to your local bar and slam back a shot and a beer for Hillary to show your support between the hours of 4 and 6PM to prove you are just a regular person and support your candidate.

Posted by: Slam one back for Hillary | April 14, 2008 10:39 AM

I do not "cling" to this little tibits that Obama suggests I do, or others for that matter. I have always paid attention to those things, but I do not use it because I think "Washington does not listen to me". Weird.

I just want to know if I can have the option of voting "Present" on the ballot.

Posted by: cyberaim | April 14, 2008 10:33 AM

Bitter - HELL YES!

Gas - $3.50 gallon
47 million people without healthcare
Fast rising food prices
People losing their homes
People losing their jobs
Peopel losing their lives (Iraq )
Bridegs collapsing
New Orleans
More war on the horizon (courtesy of John McWar
CEO's making obscene salaries
Children in poverty
Coal mine disaters
High drug costs
A criminal White House

Bitter - HELL YES!

Posted by: Bud in Texas | April 14, 2008 10:19 AM

Do you consider Obama's remarks as "condescending" and "out of touch"?


Posted by: Frank, Austin | April 14, 2008 9:56 AM

I am continuously amazed at the Obama supporters who can't admit anything their candidate does is wrong.

Hillary Clinton has made many mistakes and the press is happy to jump on them and accuse of everything they can think of.

But when Obama makes a beauty like linking the bitterness over not having a job to "Clinging to Religion and Guns" and when he said he doesn't want his daughters "punished with a baby" for their possible wrong behavious" he is clearly talking like an elitist. The latte crowd that is Obama's base do think like this. I have sat in coffee shops over the weekend in DC and heard people say oh yeah- Obama is so right on! But even Obama realized how insulting and condescending what he said was to small town and rural folks who don't see the connection of their love of guns and adherence to their faith as a result of any bitterness.

What Obama has done is make himself into John Kerry and Al Gore, Kerry with his wind surfing and Gore having grown up in a Hotel in DC- with these statements and McCain will use them throughout the fall election.

If anyone thinks that Hillary's mild rebuke of Obama is bad wait for the first Republican commercial. And what Obama supporters need to understand is that from Rev. Wright, to Michelle Obama saying she wasn't proud until now to be an American, to Obama's not wearing an American Flag lapel pin to Rev. Meeks and now this - will seem like water torture when the Republican's finish with him.

The idea for Democrats in November is to win. Attacking the Clinton's for understanding how to try to win is self defeating. They have proved they know how to do it. Twice on the Presidential trail and twice in New York including very Republican Upstate NY.

I will support either Clinton or Obama in November, but don't attack the Clintons for what Obama said. He is shooting himself in the foot- the Clintons are only pointing out the wounds and the Republicans surely don't need the Clintons to do that for them- it is the Super Delegates who need to understand how much damage Obama is doing to himself.

Posted by: peterdc | April 14, 2008 9:17 AM

The belittling of small town people by sen. Obama is intentional and inexcusable, even he admitted it as misspoken. This is a reflection of the fact, in spite of the large campaign money, delegates and supports from the Kennedys, he did not do well in winning small town America in previous primaries. The weakness of Sen. Obama in understanding and winning small town America will result in major failure in the general election (if he is nominee) as his supporter John Kerry did in 2004.

Posted by: austin | April 14, 2008 9:06 AM

By Perry Bacon Jr.

SCRANTON, Pa. -- For the third straight day, Sen. Hillary Clinton hammered Sen. Barack Obama over his comments about the frustrations of Americans who live in small towns, this time saying he reinforced negative stereotypes people have about Democrats.

"Since this whole discussion started over Senator Obama's remarks, Democrats have reached out to me to say that we can't afford for people to believe that the Democratic Party is elitist and out of touch," Clinton told reporters in a news conference in Scranton, Pa. She added, "His comments were elitist and divisive and the Democratic Party has been unfortunately viewed by many people over the last decade as being elitist and out of touch."

A familiar pattern is at work here. Hillary asserts -- her assertion of her superior "experience" is an earlier example. Then she reasserts ad nauseum. In this instance the "fact" evidently to be firmly established in the public's mind is that Democrats are elitist and out of touch.

At least this is the likely outcome of her reassertions.

Posted by: FirstMouse | April 14, 2008 8:58 AM

Mr. Obama's quote--made to a group of wealthy San Francisco donors in response to a question about why he was behind in the polls in Pennsylvania--reinforces stereotypes. The tone of his entire response is condescending and offensive--not simply the final two sentences. In his response (which can be heard at, Senator Obama again raises the race card and suggests that the people of Pennsylvania don't respond to his message because it's brought to them by a black man. The audience begins laughing and as the laughter continues, he adds more disparaging comments about small town Americans.

Rather than taking a positive approach about his campaign strategies, Mr. Obama grouped together all people who prefer another candidate as bitter, ignorant and cynical. He played to possible biases that his wealthy San Francisco donors might have about the working class. The fact that informed voters may be making an educated decision to vote for HRC is lost on him and makes him seem arrogant and out of touch. There is no excuse for any politician to tap into stereotypes or to make disparaging statements about poor, rural, white America. Senator Obama's words were extremely divisive and do not reflect the attitude of someone who could unite our country.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 7:33 AM

Come on folks. Obama is elitist and condescending. Does anyone doubt that? Kerry looked pretty good and polished in the primaries and the Rebublicans slammed him in the general for the same type of stuff. The same thing is going to happen. Obama has a nice strong base for winning in the primaries. Virtually 100% of the African-American vote and a bunch of Latte Drinking-Anti-War-Liberals. He has a big disconnect with blue-collar democrats, Hispanics, and older voters. Those disconnects will be amplified in the general election. It is about time he recognizes the weakness and does something that would also heal the division in the party: name Hillary his vice president and give her health care. That would require cajones which I have seen no evidence of.

Posted by: hdimig | April 14, 2008 6:50 AM

Some people are simplying pretending that they don't understand what Obama meant. They simply choose to be insincere in order to score some points.

His words are in line with the saying "A hungry man is an angry man". Of course, in difficult times people become frustrated and oppose even things they would ordinarily tolerate if they were better off economically. They become more religious even though they 've always been going to church.

This statement clearly doesn't mean that Obama is elitist, out of touch or looking down on people. Ironically, the reverse is the case. It shows that he really understands people's psychology and behavior meaning that he is in touch and understands them.

He has just stated what everybody has known for ages. His problem is just that he happens not to be a regular washington politician and therefore, do not understand that not every truth is good to say in politics in order to win (not in a presidential campaign)

Posted by: Gerald, London Uk | April 14, 2008 6:37 AM

Oh yeah the real issue here is offending the "poor" people here in this country. Let's not talk about how the war in Iraq has ruined our economy (let alone of how the Taliban defeated the USSR, a super power at the time, with prolonged war crippling their economy. I am sure that is their model for us) and quite frankly ruined our reputation around the world for moral high ground. Use your God given intellect and see between the lines and do something for yourself instead of being mainpulated.

Posted by: Obama for me | April 14, 2008 4:56 AM

What does Hillary and McCain have in common besides they're drinking buddies? They are both wealthy out of touch. Obama is the only person in the race (along with Ron Paul) who still remembers what it's like to be a regualar person. Remember what is happening out there with gas coming up on $4.00 a gallon and think both McCain and Hillary continue this illegal, immoral war for the next 100 years, because pretty soon these bitter people won't be able to drive a car any longer when gas costs are too large to fill up. Think people, if you are offended swallow your pride and do something for yourselves instead of being manipulated.

Posted by: Vic | April 14, 2008 4:51 AM

What was it Randi Rhodes called her? Yeah that is right she is "big time".

The Clinton's can't see what they are doing to themselves in the eyes of the very people who've supported them through thick and thin. Pity really. I am now starting to see what the Republicans have against them and now the Republicans are starting to embrace them. It would not surprise me if she and Joe Lie-bermen turn Republican, when she loses this once and for all.

Posted by: Vic | April 14, 2008 4:41 AM


Posted by: EAST SIDE LOVE IS BACK | April 14, 2008 3:11 AM

For those who are curious and independent, listen to Sen. Obama's controversial comments in context. I read them, and thought they sounded bad, but listened to them myself today and decided that he is very respectful and in-touch with the struggles of all Americans. Start around the 30 minute mark at this site:

Posted by: I_Don't_Drink_Lattes | April 14, 2008 2:37 AM

Hillary misleads voters. Hillary Clinton has made statements unequivocally trumpeting NAFTA as the greatest thing since sliced bread. The Buffalo News reports that back in 1998, Clinton attended the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, and praised corporations for mounting "a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of NAFTA." Yes, you read that right: She traveled to Davos to thank corporate interests for their campaign ramming NAFTA through Congress. On November 1, 1996, United Press International reported that on a trip to Brownsville, Texas, Clinton "touted the president's support for the North American Free Trade Agreement, saying it would reap widespread benefits in the region." The Associated Press followed up the next day noting that Hillary Clinton touted the fact that "the president would continue to support economic growth in South Texas through initiatives such as the North American Free Trade Agreement." In her memoir, Clinton wrote, "Senator Dole was genuinely interested in health care reform but wanted to run for president in 1996. He couldn't hand incumbent Bill Clinton any more legislative victories, particularly after Bill's successes on the budget, the Brady bill and NAFTA."

Who is the elitist? Hillary cares more about the health care industry than the health of people. Nobody can argue that the biggest problem with health care in the United States are pharmaceuticals and insurers. Hillary Clinton became the second largest recipient in the Senate of health care industry contributions. "As she runs for re-election to the Senate from New York this year and lays the groundwork for a possible presidential bid in 2008, Mrs. Clinton is receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from doctors, hospitals, drug manufacturers and insurers. Nationwide, she is the No. 2 recipient of donations from the industry, trailing only Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, a member of the Republican leadership." Raymond Hernandez and Robert Pear, "Once an Enemy, Health Industry Warms to Clinton," New York Times, July 12, 2006. Lastly, her vote for the Iraq war was the greatest error in judgement for the health of thousands of U.S. men and women in uniform. Not to mention the health of millions of Iraqis.

Posted by: Matt | April 14, 2008 2:16 AM

Dear Editor, you missed one of the major things that were in Obama's statement, which was "antipathy towards people who don't look like them." IN OTHER WORDS, OBAMA STATED THAT SMALL TOWN PEOPLE ARE BIGOTS!

Posted by: Charles Ellis, Lahaina, Hi. | April 14, 2008 2:13 AM

The Clintons have become shells of their former selves.

They see in Obama's pending presidency the opportunities that they missed or squandered or - to be fair - were subsumed by the right/left political quagmire of the post-1960s that has now swallowed up two boomer presidencies.

The Clintons are smaller than they have ever been.

Posted by: ivs | April 14, 2008 12:51 AM

Anybody see the Compassion Forum on CNN tonight? I thought Obama's answer to Hillary comment about Gore was priceless--"I thought Gore won."
About what she said on the 'bitter' comment; only Hillary would go to a forum about faith and compassion and use the occasion to twist the knife in her opponents back. That says a lot about her.

Posted by: Sueb2 | April 14, 2008 12:35 AM

Barack, is far from perfect, but he is by far the best of the three remaining viable candidates. Unlike John McCain and Hillary who supported the unnecessary war in Iraq, he has consistently opposed the war. Unlike John McCain whose health care "plan," will help very few people or Hillary's plan, whose details have not been explained, that will probably force millions of Americans to buy health care coverage they can not afford, Barack's health care plan is a very good, realistic first step toward eventual universal health care coverage, which is not an unfair financial burden upon Americans.

John McCain has flip flopped on the important issue of taxes. The Clintons have a history of not being trustworthy, as polls reflect. Barack has more integrity than the Clintons and cares more about helping ordinary Americans, whereas the Clintons care mostly about power, themselves, as well as trying to bolster their legacy among future historians.

Posted by: Koreen | April 14, 2008 12:29 AM

Okay, I admit that I'm dumb.

I read the offending words and heard the audio and I still don't know why I should be upset with Obama's comments. I thought he was giving a matter of fact answer to a question. But then again, what do I know. I'm not paid to be a spin dioctor.

What I find ironic is that the main person who accused Senator Obama of being out of touch and an elitist was none other than our gal Hillary.

This is the same Hillary who some say might be the one out of touch since she has lived in some form of tax payer supported public housing since 1982. First there was the Governor's mansion in Arkansas from 1982 to 1992; then the White House from 1993 to 2001; and then the million dollar plus home in New York and her million dollar plus home in Washington DC on a Senator's salary.

I wonder if one could also say that Hillary might have been a tad of an elitist herself these last 7 years because she had an income of $110 million. I don't know how many small towns in in mid-America view that type of an income as average.

It could have been that maybe Hillary had a tad bit of an elitist advantage herself while growing up in a family that could afford a summer cottage on a lake in a state different from the one in which they were living. I don't know how many families in small town American can afford that luxury today.

Is it possible that Hillary might have been a bit out of touch in viewing the real problems facing the children of middle class America as they try to make it in today's job market. After all, how many families in mid-America can use their family name to help their daughter land a $200,000 a year job in NYC. Or does Hillary believe everyone can do that?

Could Hillary be so out of touch that she fails to understand the real fear of crime that middle America feels. After all, 24/7 Secret Service protection can ease a lot of concerns and fears.

There are many in middle America who could have said all of this and much more. And with luck the Obama campaign will speak for them and will point out these facts over and over again during the next nine days or for however long it takes. Maybe then Hillary will finally understand what Senator Obama meant by "bitter."

Posted by: New Era | April 14, 2008 12:11 AM

Leon I forgot to add. We really don't know what we are getting with Obama but we do know what we are getting with Clinton. I can't speak for anyone else but myself, but I see the status quo tearing this country apart. That is why I am giving Obama my vote.

Posted by: tydicea | April 13, 2008 11:26 PM

you think this Obama screw-up will not make a difference, you know nothing about small towns.

Are people bitter? Maybe. Have they turned to religion, guns, and immigrant hating because they lost their jobs, or economic times are hard? No.

These voters know he doesn't have a clue about them, and they don't like being subject to amateur sociology.

Obama is toast, and totally unelectable in the GE.

Posted by: If | April 13, 2008 11:23 PM

Leon in NYC, this might surprise you. When this campaign got underway last year, and up until about 2 months ago I was in favor of Mrs. Clinton. I honestly did not understand the strong negative sentiment, one might even say revulsion people felt towards her. I couldn't understand how she could not garner the support of his fellow senators on her side of the isle, nor could she secure the loyalty of those who served in her husband's administration. I could understand the reason. She be all accounts is brilliant and well informed in matter of government. But I would later learn she has no character, no core beliefs beyond her ambition, and to what she feels she is entitled. She is a unscrupulous, a habitual liar who will do and say anything to achieve her aims. Well Leon we have someone in the white house like that already and look where it has taken us. Do we really want another? You be the judge.

Posted by: tydicea | April 13, 2008 11:13 PM

Bill has been 'helping' Hillary agan but he needs to clean up his own front porch first. His charities not only support Alibaba, Inc., accused of collaborating with the government in its crackdown on Tibetan activists, his scholarships finance schools in Dubai who won't even accept Israeli students. Perhaps Bill needs to do twenty years of community service in the south side of Chicago to get a grip on what constitutes an elitist.

Was Bill taking advantage of a young girl in his employee not elitist? Was not his putting himself above her interests, the interests of his family, the Democratic Party and our country not elitist?

Posted by: MsSwin | April 13, 2008 11:11 PM

Obama should step aside. He is an embarrassment to the country. The Presidency is a joke to him. The country is a joke to him. He thinks everything revolves around him. He constantly brings up the race-card. Frankly, I am sick of him.

Hillary is a heck-of-a-lot better than that. At least she aligns her own self interest with the people. Obama is arrogant and fails to notice anyone other than himself.

Posted by: John | April 13, 2008 11:10 PM

Hillary - Troll

Posted by: GO OBAMA' O8 | April 13, 2008 11:10 PM

typical - representative having all or most of the characteristics shared by others of the same kind and therefore suitable as an example of it.

Posted by: look-it-up | April 13, 2008 11:06 PM


The 44th President of the United States



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Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 10:47 PM



"Resulting from or expressive of severe grief, anguish, or disappointment"


Posted by: Webster | April 13, 2008 10:45 PM

"It's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations," Obama said.

The remarks, recorded at the Sunday fundraiser by a Huffington Post blogger and published Friday, opened a fresh round of scrutiny about Obama's ability to connect with blue-collar workers.

"What I found to be most revealing was that these remarks were made several thousand miles from us, at a very expensive fundraising campaign event in a very upscale location where he did not think any of us were going to hear what he would say," said Harrisburg Mayor Stephen R. Reed, a Clinton supporter. "It invites the question of what else does this candidate think about all the different people who make up our redder, diverse nation."

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 10:45 PM

And someone should tell Barry Hussein that Pennsylvania is NOT in the midwest. DOH!

Posted by: Typical White Pennsylvanian | April 13, 2008 10:44 PM

The more Barry Hussein Obama talks off the cuff, the more he reveals of his serious Marxist beliefs. Such as: religion is the opiate of the masses and all of "their" beliefs are a result of exploitation by corporations. He is a sick human being. Can't wait to see him go down in flames next Tuesday. Then he can say, as some of his supporters do, what a backward racist state Pennsylvania is. God knows if you don't support messiah obama, you are a blue-eyed devil.

Posted by: Typical White Pennsylvanian | April 13, 2008 10:43 PM


Don't get too lost in the Hilary versus Obama squabbles in this section. The real issue is the Washington Post's selection of articles. The bias towards Hilary Clinton is so offensive that I must state my objections here, but their are directed most pointedly to the Washington Post itself.

Why does the Post consistently give Hilary Clinton front page news and attention for her constant attacks against Barack Obama? This is a choice that the Post has made, and it is slanting the nomination process towards Hilary Clinton in a way that her baseless attacks on their own merits could not achieve. Who wants to elect someone who behaves like Hilary Clinton? She wants to be excused for repeatedly concocting fake stories for her Bosnia landing, but she attacks Obama incessantly for one poorly chosen word. Now she's packing a gun, what has the democratic party come to? With democrats like the Clintons, who needs republicans?

The weighting of the Washington Post's forum for Hilary's attacks amounts to disguised editorializing on Hilary Clinton's behalf, and it is of more value to address the Post to cease such bias than to weigh in against the Clinton campaign tactics here.

Hawk 5

Posted by: Hawk 5 | April 13, 2008 10:38 PM

Senator Obama makes excellent use of sports metaphors. He so reminds me of a rookie pitcher who throws too hard and too often and blows out his arm. He so reminds me of the b-ball player who always wants to shoot. His advisors remind me of owners who overuse players--to the ultimate detriment of player and team. At best, he needs to be slotted for seasoning at a VP position. The proof is in the San Francisco statement.

Posted by: Ed Fairness | April 13, 2008 10:37 PM


I have not heard of any monies that Obama has made off foreign governments. If I am incorrect please enlighten me. The Clintons on the other hand have their hands in the pockets of the Chinese, the Colombians, the Saudis, among others. This is not about personal attacks, this goes to integrity and candor with the American people. You may have heard of these, even if they are unfamiliar to you. What I see and by the sound of it many others agree, is the Clintons regaining the White House with government for sale. We already have one example of that already with Hilary speaking out one side of her mouth saying she is against the Colombian trade policy, while her chief strategist was meeting with representatives of that government for just such a purpose. This country can no longer afford the status quo and without a doubt that is what your candidate is selling while clumsily packaging it as change.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 10:32 PM



... the demotion of Penn -- like the departure of Hillary's acolyte Patty Solis Doyle as campaign manager -- is a confession that, for all her claims of "experience" and leadership abilities, Hillary Clinton has now presided over two disastrous national enterprises, the most important professional undertakings of her adult life, both of which she began with ample wind at her back: the healthcare reform of her husband's presidency, and now her own campaign for the White House.

These two failures -- and the demonizing of her opponents in both instances -- may be the best indication of the kind of President she would be, especially when confronted (inevitably) by unanticipated difficulty and/or entrenched opposition to her ideas and programs.

It is exactly under such circumstances that she usually resorts to the worst excesses that mark her in full warrior-mode -- and all its scorched-earth, truth-be-damned manifestations.

Bosnia, anyone?

Smearing the women involved (or even thought to be involved) sexually with her husband.

Responding to Barack Obama with the same mindset, disdain, and arsenal as she did Karl Rove and Lee Atwater, as if Obama's politics and methodologies were as mendacious and vicious as theirs-and her own.

Tax information kept secret (in 1992 to hide her profits from trading in cattle futures; in 2008 to shield the identities of Bill's foreign clients.)

A campaign that openly boasts of throwing "the kitchen sink" at her opponent. ...

Posted by: MARTIN EDWIN ANDERSEN | April 13, 2008 10:32 PM


Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 10:31 PM

A segment of Hillary Clinton's demographics, the's amazing how a few of these posts bore out this fact.

Someone listed a link above to PA newspapers and their reaction to the "bitter" issue.

Today Hillary stressed again the bitter thing in Scranton...shortly thereafter the Times-Tribune, in Scranton, endorsed Barack Obama. Now aint that a duzzy.

It appears that they too thought this, the "bitter" issue, much ado about nothing.

Wouldn't be surprised if his poll rankings rise even higher, maybe even gained a few points in PA.

Did anyone watch the COMPASSION FORUM tonight? Who drew the most applause? Who made the most sense? Which one was more honest? Who displayed the greater COMPASSION?

As to the question of honesty...that's a no-brainer.

Man, that woman is disgusting...and it's not just because she's a woman.

Now I'm hearing that she's going to be using Bill's issue with Lewinski, et al., to boost her strength with women. Her next "crying" issue.

Don't be a faux intellect, think for thyself.

Obama 2008.

Posted by: Ron d | April 13, 2008 10:30 PM


The 44th President of the United States



Posted by: . | April 13, 2008 10:30 PM

I encourage all of the Obamaniacs to continue their self-delusional, arrogant, "he can do no wrong" pablum and hope they do that right up to November.

For so long as that continues, the more and more likely it becomes that the election will swing to McCain.

Posted by: JusttheFacts | April 13, 2008 10:30 PM

Couple of questions:

1) Why is the income of Hills and Bills- much of which is being donated to projects- in the last few an indication that they are out of touch? Do you think they forgot where they came from?

2) Why is Obama's 8,000$ job OK becuase it was last year, but Hillary's hours of FREE legal service while her husband was Governor of Obama not counted as an important donation to her state?

3)Why is the fact that under Bill and Hillary the State of Arkansas stopped bieng a 3rd world nation forgotten?

4)It is TRUE that many people were hurt by NAFTA, but let us not forget the NEwt Gingriches who were running COngress and the Senate.

It is also true that the US saw MORE domestic in vestment under the Clintons, an increase of real income across all working segments, job growth, and real returns in the stock market.

I think Obama has a lot to offer, but what he said WAS exactly the sort of thing that Democrats have been guilty of saying,. I frequently vote Democrat, but I am also all too aware that illegal immigrants most certainly HAVE had a harsh impact on everything from skilled trades on down.

The fact is, without illegal immigrants, those whose jobs were outsorouced would have been able to turn tot he construction jobs with their skills, and continue to make a steady living.

People are bitter because they got screwed. They have aright to be bitter.

My only complaint is that those who were screwed stood their voting for the GOP, who was screwing them the most.

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Posted by: . | April 13, 2008 10:29 PM

The CEO of Countrywide got $20M bonus even the company he oversees lost nig money.

And yet many folks are losing their homes and jobs, and falling into hard time.

I Am Bitter.

Posted by: | April 13, 2008 10:15 PM
Sure, I have been bitter about those things too. But that bitterness is not the reason why I believe in God, as Obama was suggesting. I believe in God regardless. If you keep insisting your stupidity I am gonna have to keep repeating that small town American's don't like Guns and Gods because they are bitter about their job loss. Those are cultural values - not a disease caused by the virus of job losses or failures, you moron.
Obama is making the mistake of speaking to people as if all of America is his consitituency of latte liberals whose sole culture is pseudo-intellectualism.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 10:27 PM

Posted by: benny |
There are some who say that if you were to see Hillary without any makup, you will find the missing Jimmy Hoffa.

I'll say if Hillary were to apply more makeup, you will see Joker in her.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 10:27 PM

For all the spin of the Drive-By Media, now everyone will know that this profoundly disgusting attitudes are not limited to Obama's spiritual mentor (whom he distanced himself from, of course) or his wife, whispering sweet hatings into his ear at beddy-by time (just a little woman, pay her no never mind). Those attitudes are part and parcel of who and what Barack Humphrey Obama is, and what the Democratic party has been for a generation.
The Clintons hid it well, through misdirection letting everyone concentrate on the obvious lies; John Kerry and Dukakis not so well; and now comes Obama, so green and dorky he didn't even get the fact that he let the cat out of bag, until the roof cave in on him.
His "explanation" was even worse tha the original comment, peppered with condescention toward "ordinary" Americans (as opposed to his extraorinary self, one presumes).

Posted by: DN | April 13, 2008 10:26 PM




Posted by: . | April 13, 2008 10:26 PM

Leon wrote:

My name is Leon and I live in NYC. I hold to the fact that anyone who compares Hillary to Hitler is an ignorant jackass- for the reasons I explained above.

It was Musslonini, Cheney and Franco--- not Hitler.

It did not did not compare Hillary to any of those people, but only to point out that she is resorting to demogougery to divide the voters and destroy her opponent.

So she is using the techniques of facsists.

Posted by: donna | April 13, 2008 10:24 PM

So Hillary has the heart and courage to continue in a difficult effort because she thinks she can win? Her critics say "She can not win." But she can count votes and knows many of the super delegates and with her information has decided it is worth the cost to continue her efforts. She even loans her own money to the effort. Who can say that she will not win? Only the most partisan and those who have no good will for her. People have to know she fights on because she is brave and resolute and can win.

But it would be nice if he could extend the same assumptions and courtesy to our military in Iraq.

Are they less brave or willing?

Posted by: Gary E. Masters | April 13, 2008 10:22 PM

"She looks hungover in the photo. Serves the elite panderer right."

There are some who say that if you were to see Hillary without any makup, you will find the missing Jimmy Hoffa.

Posted by: benny | April 13, 2008 10:17 PM


My name is Leon and I live in NYC. I hold to the fact that anyone who compares Hillary to Hitler is an ignorant jackass- for the reasons I explained above.


Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 10:16 PM

The Obama activists, that is, the extreme left wing of the party (MoveOn, Democracy for America, DailyKos, Keith Olbermann etc) are threatening to do to the Democratic Party what they did to us in the Connecticut Senate race. They got Ned Lamont to beat Lieberman in the primaries only to see the former get wiped out in the real race. Now, since I don't care much for Lieberman I tought that was rather cute. Big mistake. I had no idea how malicious these guys are. Their sunny fronts like Politico and MSNBC are trying to shut Hillary down. I say to all those who have been penalized for fighting tough battles. To all those who have paid their dues only to see a cute, ambitious upstart stroll in and steal the show. To all those who favor substance over style. To all those who have had to work so hard only to see the tall and young and good-looking get the credit. To all those who are sick of seeing hard earned experience get wiped out by "charisma". To all of you: MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO HILLARY RIGHT NOW.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 10:15 PM

The CEO of Countrywide got $20M bonus even the company he oversees lost nig money.

And yet many folks are losing their homes and jobs, and falling into hard time.

I Am Bitter.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 10:15 PM


Insulting Chelsea's physical appearence shows what a mysogynist loser you are.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 10:14 PM


And how does Hillary merit equal loathing with the greatest villains in human history?
Anyone who thinks that she has done anything to be put on that list has had so much of the Kool-Ade that they are brain dead. Let's talk issues.

On health insurance, his policies are weaker and leave him in a poor place for negotiations.

His Iraq pull-out strategy is far less detailed than her redeployment plan and includes frequent "outs" from what he is saying including leaving in special force units and the potential to reenter Iraq.

His policy for dealing with the foreclosure crisis is a bandaid rather than a solution that allows for the refiguring of the problem.

It goes on and on. On the actual issues- he is the weaker candidate. On the actual legislative record, he is the weaker candidate. He is also attempting to reconsititute the same Educated White/ All African American coalition with only moderate support from the Latin vote and losing the working class vote that did not get Gore or Kerry in. Which states exactly does he add in the electoral college?

Look, I will vote for him if he is the Dem candidate- he is far better than McCain- but the Obamopaths that sit there knowing nothing of about history, including his history- which is detailed pretty clearly in his 2 books, or politics and then attack Hillary with the same BS right wing rhetoric that has chased her for 16 years are really the ones who are ruining the Dems chances to take this thing. I have been a loyal Dem since 13 years old- but for some less committed this negative personal attacking will lose him votes (and I'm not talking about directly from him, I'm talking about his supporters- whatever his campaign has done to facilitate some negative stuff- they have never made these claims directly).

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 10:13 PM

Hillary has NO HONOR.

This latest sell out on her party should make any super delegates mad enough to not support her. She obviously does not care about them or the Democratic Party.

She is a spineless, slimey, no honor weasel, like her perverted husband and any vote for her is a vote against Hope.

What a "family". They are little more than business associates, interested in securing the White House so they can pat themselves on the back, make HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars, and groom Chelsea, the walking scarecrow, to be President.

They don't care about the people of Pa, or Scranton or anywhere else. They probably don't even care too much about eachother.

Oh to see the ugly fat mansuit wearing witch cry one last time. Coming Soon.

Posted by: SlimeBall | April 13, 2008 10:13 PM

Hey Obambi, who will you insult next? You have insulted pretty much every living being on earth. Only wife and daughters left. Have a feeling I won't have to wait long before you take them down. You wanna be a President that bad, huh? You know, you need to be a human being for that...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 10:12 PM

Comment on: 'Bitter' Is a Hard Pill For Obama to Swallow at 4/13/2008 12:02 PM EDT
Have to republish this posting from a Pennsylvanian:

Having grown up in one of those small Pennsylvania towns Sen. Barack Obama sneers at, I know what really makes people there "bitter." It's slick-talking politicians who look down on their beliefs and values.

Small-town people get doubly "bitter" when those pols have the gall to ask for their votes while demeaning their lives. See, even hicks don't like being played for suckers.

When they accused Obama of being out of touch for saying small-towners "cling to guns or religion" out of frustration, Sens. Hillary Clinton and John McCain were too kind.

Snob-ama is not just out of touch. He's from another planet.

He might consider going back there, because the White House now looks out of reach. All the more so because he later added opposition to gay marriage as another sign of benighted bitterness.

Snob-ama's lame concession yesterday that his mistake was "I didn't say it as well as I should have" only makes the repeated smear worse. He should get off his Ivy League horse and apologize to the millions of Americans he insulted. As it stands, he has confirmed he doesn't understand or respect them.

Through his warped vision, if you own a gun, oppose gay marriage or want our nation's borders sealed, you're just bitter over your lousy job. Amazingly, he even sees the embrace of God as a reaction to the bad economy.

As gaffes go, they don't get much bigger. Then again, it's not a gaffe when you believe what you're saying, as Snob-ama clearly does.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 10:11 PM



Posted by: . | April 13, 2008 10:11 PM

It might be true to say that struggling small towns are angry, even, bitter.

But the crime committed here by Obama and perpetuated by Obama supporters is that this bitterness is the reason that makes those Americans like Guns and Gods. It goes on to show that Obama and his supporters live in a bubble in which faith and religion are outcomes of job loss.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 10:10 PM

Hillary has NO HONOR.

This latest sell out on her party should make any super delegates mad enough to not support her. She obviously does not care about them or the Democratic Party.

She is a spineless, slimey, no honor weasel, like her perverted husband and any vote for her is a vote against Hope.

What a "family". They are little more than business associates, interested in securing the White House so they can pat themselves on the back, make HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars, and groom Chelsea, the walking scarecrow, to be President.

They don't care about the people of Pa, or Scranton or anywhere else. They probably don't even care too much about eachother.

Oh to see the ugly fat mansuit wearing witch cry one last time. Coming Soon.


Posted by: NoHonor | April 13, 2008 10:10 PM

I think the problem with Obama is not merely that he showed a God gap. The problem is he showed an Intellectual gap. For, what can be more moronic than to suggest that God and love for hunting are the recourse of those who are struggling in life. This nimrod who goes by the name of Obama was basically suggesting, if people were not struggling, there would be no need for faith. Somebody tell this ding-dong that faith and love for hunting are cultural values not some disease of those who are struggling.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 10:09 PM

She looks hungover in the photo. Serves the elite panderer right.

Posted by: SZork | April 13, 2008 10:07 PM

check out Bill Clinton's connection to Alibaba, Inc.This is a corporation that is helping the Chinese clamp down on Tibet that Bill has received a lot of money from. Watch for more on this in the next few days.This is another instance when Hillary states a stand against something while Bill is taking money for working for it. This is called a SHAKEDOWN.

Posted by: majorteddy | April 13, 2008 10:04 PM


Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 9:57 PM

Barack is exactly right with what he said. I have felt the same way as jobs have disappeared to go the H1B's that the CEO's want to let into the country. They work for half the money I do so the profits will go up, thus the stock price and the CEO can cash out his stock options. In the long run it destroys our country because no students are going to major in engineering, math, science because of the constant turmoil. Barack is right and he spoke the truth. We need to revitalize our country. We need to manufacture something here. All we are doing is bringing our country down to third world status. I've lost respect for the Clinton's because of the deception and lies that I had not seen before are coming forth. Bill is out making 109 million the last 8 years and banking in the Caymans, trying to lobby for the Columbians, and now the Saudi's have dumped millions into his presidential library. Surely they don't want anything in return for those millions? Something smells here. Why so desperate to get into the white house Hillary?

Posted by: gr8fun4me | April 13, 2008 9:57 PM

PA is an EXTREMELY racist place.

Every white person I have met from PA, and my mother just got her house foreclosed on in York, PA, uses the 'N' word pathologically.

Scranton is an armpit. I've been there a few times, visiting some racist relatives there. It's ugly and gross.

We cannot shift our conversation about the direction of America to appease Scranton, or even the whole of PA. It's not a forward-looking State.

If they don't like Obama, let em vote for McCain. Serves em right.

Obama 08

Posted by: That'sTheTruth | April 13, 2008 9:49 PM




Posted by: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ | April 13, 2008 9:47 PM

"As this campaign gets more and more weird, it has started to seem like we have three separate candidates from three separate parties running instead of one party with two candidates and another that sort of has one."

Agreed. Hillary was right about one thing today. This is turning into a battle for the Dem party--survival or obliteration. If the Clintons are resurrected, that will be the end of the party. There will be a sea change back to restore the Republicans back to a quasi moderate party or a third Bloomberg type party.

We have all known that the Dem pary even in the best of times is pretty fragmented and pretty ineffective at managing a majority. Right now the power vacuum has enabled the discredited corrupt Clintons to continue to have significant influence. What a shame. There should have been no way that they had a credible chance at the nomination. It should have been a complete non-starter. Yet.... This is showing to many that a big slug of the Dem elite are not fit to lead the country. The Clintons ruined the party once and they are doing their best to ruin it again. This time though it will be worse off than the current state of the Republicans.

Posted by: Fides | April 13, 2008 9:40 PM

The great Gonzo Journalist and Kentucky writer Hunter Thompson once wrote, "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." As this campaign gets more and more weird, it has started to seem like we have three separate candidates from three separate parties running instead of one party with two candidates and another that sort of has one.

Posted by: Electric Bill | April 13, 2008 9:25 PM

Obama is not qualified to be president. He is a lying hypocrite whose campaign is a complete fraud. His comments should cause the super delegates to realize that he now has zero chance of winning in the general election. Face it, it's over. Vote smart, vote Clinton.

Posted by: Tobias | April 13, 2008 9:24 PM

Whoever wrote:

"i am an idiot-

good name for you."

thank you, but i don't deserve that credit. my gun totting momma gave me that name.

Posted by: i'm an idiot | April 13, 2008 9:23 PM

Congratulations Hillary...we should thank you. Your focus on this issue has actually made Sen Obama more electable. The past use of wedge issues to cover a candidate's ethical and intellectual leadership deficits has become a staple of American politics. Your focus here has brought front and center a key element of Karl Rove's election strategy.

I was a campaign volunteer for John Kerry in SouthWestern PA during the 2004 election. We worked our butts off going door to door and were able to hold onto PA by the skin of our teeth that year. It should have been easy...a no brainer. It was already obvious that President Bush had no plan for Iraq, domestic policy, or any original thought. His answer to Enron and other policy failings was to remind us of 9-1-1. We knew he didnt have a chance. Then at the last moment, Rove's strategy turned the tables on us.

Republicans introduced referendums in 11 of the key battle ground states. They had focused on Gay marriage, abortion, and Flag burning issues in the final days of the Presidential election campaign and managed to add some of those issues to the ballots. Suddenly a vote for John Kerry was a vote for abortion, gun control and having a gay couple move in next door. Rove caught the entire democratic party off guard. We were amazed when we lost took days to sort out our defeat there when we should have won it in a cake walk. It was obvious that the people of Ohio had voted against their own interests. That one election set their state back about 20 years.

The Unions couldn't even deliver my home state of WV. Most democrats there decided to stay home rather than vote for Gay marriage. We even witnessed a respected Democratic Judge with deep roots in our state taken down by a Rove wedge issue. All across the country people focused on wedge issues that defined them...and ultimately awarded George Bush's incompetence with 4 more years during which he has driven our country to bankruptcy and ruin. They did it long after it was known that no WMD's existed, long after ENRON, and long after your average american voter knew that 2000 shouldnt have happened.

You can call it whatever you want, but the bottom line is that today's republicans are going to play the fear card, the race card, the patriotism card, the right to bear arms card, the abortion card and the religion card. Karl Rove is still hanging around.

The only way to defeat his brand of politics, is to speak the truth. We need to have that national conversation on race someday, but in the meantime we need to start being more honest with ourselves and each other....and we have to stop being so afraid of each other..and (and this is where you lose Hillary) we have to start expecting more from our elected leaders again. My goodness, when was the last time we expected honesty from our elected officials?? How is it that our elections more resemble a season of "Survivor" than an actual civil conversation followed by an actually fair contest?? How can Hillary say that its not a conflict of interest, when almost a million dollars of that money on those joint Clinton tax returns comes from the Columbian govt? Do the Columbians know something about the "Clinton two for one deal" that we don't?

I'm reminded of the campaign stop George Bush made in Ohio years ago. At a bustling manufacturing plant, in front of boxes of products and to a number of workers, George Bush made a pledge to bring jobs and industry back to the state of Ohio. It was an inspirational, energizing, and timely presentation. The only problem was, it was a damned lie. The boxes were labled "Made In China". In places they couldn't black out the label, they faced the boxes away from the camera. The staged appearance needed extras and "busy work" to simulate a thriving plant.

The entire plant conspired with the Bush campaign to promote the lie that they were not hurting under his policies. They paid for that lie, their state is still paying for that lie. Thats why its so important to each of us, as we move forward in selecting a candidate and eventually a President that we trim away these issues. Are we so afraid of Gays next door and of losing the right to bear arms that we give up our dreams of a free and democratic society? Will we each provide complicit support for our candidate's "little lies" because he or she looks more like us and reminds us of the good old days? Are we so afraid of what could maybe sorta possibly happen between 2:59 a:m and 3:01 a:m, that we accept a "What conflict?"-conflict of interest? One of the hardest lessons that we have learned these past 8 years after being manipulated into war and recession is that one of the central tenants of a truly free and democratic honesty and truth in public service.

You can twist his words, but Sen. Obama obviously meant no harm. Its tough to explain why it took some Americans longer to realize how far we've strayed from our path when it was obvious to others that we had gone terribly wrong. Cindy Sheehan gave up on us long ago.

Americans are finally beginning to understand that the things that unite us are stronger than the things that divide us. It is inevitable that parts of America won't understand or agree with Sen. Obama. He is speaking with a peculiar dialect that we haven't heard in american politics in quite awhile. He is speaking the "Truth."

Posted by: Kevin | April 13, 2008 9:21 PM

I guess Hill and Bill forgot that they were saying the same thing in the 1990s. But maybe it's because they're both over 60 and have had too many late nights that they don't remember. But here's Bill's words back then:

You know, he [Bush] wants to divide us over race. I'm from the South. I understand this. This quota deal they're gonna pull in the next election is the same old scam they've been pulling on us for decade after decade after decade. When their economic policies fail, when the country's coming apart rather than coming together, what do they do? They find the most economically insecure white men and scare the living daylights out of them. They know if they can keep us looking at each other across a racial divide, if I can look at Bobby Rush and think, Bobby wants my job, my promotion, then neither of us can look at George Bush and say, 'What happened to everybody's job? What happened to everybody's income? What ... have ... you ... done ... to ... our ... country?'"

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 9:20 PM

whoever you are wrote:Anyone who is so into Barak that they are willing to compare Hillary to Hitler, Mussolini or Bush is truly an ignorant jackass.

Far be it from me to speak for I am an Idiot. But I think you are mis-characterizing what he or she said. I don't think I am an Idiot is comparing Hilary to anyone. He or she is expressing his/her equal loathing for her to the others mentioned. Also have the guts to show your name with your attacks on others.

Posted by: tydicea | April 13, 2008 9:17 PM

I should've noticed this sooner:

This whole flap started when Obama made comments about how blue-collar voters have internalized a sense of impotence--that their votes can't effect real change. And how the GOP has exploited this sense of frustration and gotten working-class Americans to vote against their own interests by campaigning on "issues" that are superficial and play to fear and prejudice--same-sex marriage or gun control, for example. The GOP has succeeded, Obama points out, by deflecting attention from substantial, important topics and focusing on the comparatively absurd.

And what does Hillary do upon hearing about the above discussion? Why, she deflects attention from the substance of Obama's remarks and focuses on the word "bitter," of course.

Is this what's meant by "bitter irony"?

Posted by: whatmeregister | April 13, 2008 9:08 PM

Is is just me, or does it seem Hillary jumped on this one so that she and her $109 million don't seem so out of touch with the people she is trying to convince. Easier to slam Obama as out of touch than to convince them she is in touch and like them.

Posted by: bill | April 13, 2008 8:56 PM

i am an idiot-

good name for you. Anyone who is so into Barak that they are willing to compare Hillary to Hitler, Mussolini or Bush is truly an ignorant jackass. Tell me, which of Barak's policy proposals are you voting for him for? Which part of his legislative record are you looking at? You, like a large group within the Obama camp are ignorant to history and politics and are jumping on a bandwagon. I'm embarrassed that you are voting.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 8:56 PM

democracy in crisis in leadership selection. as many allegedly corrupt politician are progessing to grab power of u s president. we the people demand clean politicians be drafted as nominee of major parties in USA. U national parties arenational institutions. we must have clean politicians to lead them. no mcCain, no obama, no hillary: we demand clean politicins to lead the nation as powerful as usa. corrupt leader may ruin usa both in domestic agendas and in international cooperations in present junctures of jungle democratic conditions all over the world as scripted in his mobile electronic and hard copies publication ofbook titled viz "jungle democracies, cat and mouse doctrines of oppressions on weaker people and citizens of democratic nation by the most powerfuls, people, of powerful entities , powerful nations, superpopwers, vis russia., china.petty powerful in making viz India, and the america of united states. But the author would like to reserve comment i and how th us may have been oppressive, or any oppressive to we the peope in usa as the author as a small time patriot of usa and shy telling any bitter truth of motherland,usa, unlike one barrack hussain obama who politely listened to non patriotic words against usa but he presumably kept his patriotism to usa to become us president, bur he may make it.

Posted by: rev lisa n roy alston | April 13, 2008 8:55 PM

My party is going to try and run a third successive campaign of merging the upperclass educated whites with the African American population with little help from the Latin or working class populations- Barak pretty much said it.

It has worked so well the last 2 elections- let's do it a third! What is that quote about doing the same thing and expecting different results...?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 8:52 PM

Hillary is so shallow and phony she thinks the American people would vote for a president that they think they would like to go out and have a beer with, or a shot and a beer with. Otherwise let's have a chugging contest and the last man(or woman) standing is president. This sounds like a Russian election. Pass the bottle of vodka around and the last one conscious wins.

Posted by: majorteddy | April 13, 2008 8:50 PM


An embellished story is about trying to highlight certain information to the extent of exaggeration- really, the Bosnia story is not a big deal.

The "bitter" comment would have killed Hillary- it shows patronization toward people who have a different belief system from Barak. It's not that people aren't bitter or frustrated- it was the God and Guns part of the comment that was really offensive. It doesn't matter anyway, as usual the press are giving him a free pass. Clinton telling Bill to back off made equal headlines yesterday with the bitter comment.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 8:48 PM

Now, Hills the Hometown Girl: about that quick n dirty 10 million, not to mention the 2 million from Arab sources for the "library"

What a joke these Clintons are. And, by the way, tell us about all the private plane rides from indicted investment bankers. Hillary the Homegirl is VERY particular which type of Gulfstream private jet model she uses.

Posted by: kino | April 13, 2008 8:46 PM

Right now Hillary is on TV telling people a fish story about the Clintons adherence to the Bible. Apparently they missed the commandment about bearing false witnesss, the one about stealing , and the one about adultery.

Posted by: majorteddy | April 13, 2008 8:42 PM

Senator Obama has based his candidacy on the notion that words, HIS words, matter. Ooops!

Now that he has been forced to eat his own words, I find it just a little insincere that he is trying to write this all off as simply a poor choice of words. I also think that's why the criticism is sticking.

Posted by: nvdem | April 13, 2008 8:42 PM

Maybe Hillary's new slogan should be:


(With apologies to Folger's coffee.)

But, of course, that might raise the question:

How did the Clintons get rich?

Posted by: martin edwin andersen | April 13, 2008 8:32 PM

Maybe Hillary's new slogan should be:


(With apologies to Folger's coffee.)

But, of course, that might raise the question:

How did the Clintons' get rich?

Posted by: martin edwin andersen | April 13, 2008 8:32 PM

Gosh, jacksmith. thank you so much and thank Hillary for making me realize that I AM An IDIOT.

And IDIOTS Vote for demogouges, Clintons and Republicans.

I love Hillary. I also love Cheney, Bush, Franco and Mussolini. Hillary is indeed el doch bag.

Posted by: i am an idiot | April 13, 2008 8:32 PM

Not bitter about not having health care, or seeing your job shipped overseas, or having your home foreclosed on?

Sounds to me the only folks who wouldn't be bitter would have to be elitists themselves.

Just for comparison:
John McCain: Net worth $44 million, owns 8 houses

Hillary and Bill: $109 million since 2000, Hillary's "blue collar" Scranton roots actually a summer vacation home.

Barack Obama: Best year $1.6 million in 2005, doesn't even make the list of 50 richest in Congress, graduated from Harvard Law and took a job organizing unemployed steel workers for about $8,000/yr.

So who exactly is the bigger "elitist"?

Posted by: RJ | April 13, 2008 8:30 PM

The working class Democrats left the party and voted for Ronald Reagan because of attitudes expressed by Obama. His apology is totally inadequate because what he said expresses his true beliefs and the beliefs of the educated, well to do elite who have been supporting him all through his campaign. The traditional core of the Democratic Party is precisely the people he addressed so condecendingly. I have never voted for a Republican, but I will never vote for a Democrat who looks down upon peole like Obama does. FDR would be ashamed of Obama. Shame, shame, shame on him. Never will he get my vote, even if he was the only person on the ballot.

Posted by: Outraged | April 13, 2008 8:29 PM

jacksmith wrote: You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

We also die laughing at this BS!

Posted by: tydicea | April 13, 2008 8:28 PM



Bill Clinton Flashback: "All These Economically Insecure White People...Are Scared To Death"

As the rumination continues over Barack Obama's comments about economically-depressed small town voters, statements made by Bill Clinton on the same topic -- uttered while he was running for president in 1991 -- have now surfaced.

"The reason (George H. W. Bush's tactic) works so well now is that you have all these economically insecure white people who are scared to death," Clinton was quoted saying by the Los Angeles Times in September 1991. ...


Posted by: martin edwin andersen | April 13, 2008 8:27 PM



Bill Clinton Flashback: "All These Economically Insecure White People...Are Scared To Death"

As the rumination continues over Barack Obama's comments about economically-depressed small town voters, statements made by Bill Clinton on the same topic -- uttered while he was running for president in 1991 -- have now surfaced.

"The reason (George H. W. Bush's tactic) works so well now is that you have all these economically insecure white people who are scared to death," Clinton was quoted saying by the Los Angeles Times in September 1991. ...


Posted by: martin edwin andersen | April 13, 2008 8:27 PM


Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. With Hillary Clinton you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. "Carpe diem" (harvest the day).

I think Hillary Clinton see's a beautiful world of plenty for all. She's a woman, and a mother. And it's time America. Do this for your-selves, and your children's future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don't want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama's. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! OUT GUNNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON'T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.
The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton's have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton's. Only the Clinton's are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

"This is not a game" (Hillary Clinton)



Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 8:23 PM



If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of BITTER!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. :-(

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)

Best regards



If you don't know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering...

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. :-)

Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don't die from. And I could go on, and on...

Posted by: jacksmith | April 13, 2008 8:21 PM

One might not like Obamas phrasology but his comments were certainly plausible. Hillary on the other hand is a shameless liar, who can believe anything she says? She flat out made up the claim about getting shot and wants to sluff it off as she "mispoke" now she pounces all over Obama's phrase and the supposedly anti-Clinton press joins in.

Obama in '08.

Posted by: RealChoices | April 13, 2008 8:19 PM

As john said:



Brought to you by the Republican National Party.



Posted by: kARL rOVE | April 13, 2008 8:17 PM

Hillary can find jobs for everybody in Pennsylvania. They'll all become lobbyists. She pretend that she opposes the Colombian free trade agreement and all you lobbyist can shake down the Colombian government for $800, 000 apiece like Bill did.

Posted by: majorteddy | April 13, 2008 8:16 PM

I hope Hillary continues to insist that there is no bitterness in working-class Pennsylvania. She's proving to those voters who the real "out of touch" candidate truly is. After three weekends of door-to-door canvassing in York and Harrisburg for the Obama campaign, I can tell you that the bitterness is quite real. There's no shortage of decent folks who want desperately to "roll up their sleeves and get back to work," but feel that no one is willing to give them that chance. When I've talked to them about what their concerns are, they keep bringing up NAFTA and foreign steel and the hemmorhaging of jobs to overseas factories. They are, yes, very bitter that Washington seems to be practically paying American companies to close their factories and outsource jobs to foreign countries.

Pennsylvania's blue-collar folk are proud, and hardworking when they have jobs to go to. I've been privileged to call a couple of ex-steelworkers my friends, and their work ethic was second to none. But for two decades now the families in these factory towns have been hurting and angry, and Obama has it absolutely right when he recognizes their bitterness at having been neglected all this time. The "Clinton boom" of the 1990s never touched these towns, and seven years of Bush's fiscal idiocy has hammered the remaining working class mercilessly.

Hillary wants to play clever semantic games about word choices and thinks Pennsylvanians are stupid enough to be fooled by shallow appeals to their vanity. She's right when she assumes that Pennsylvanians are proud and decent. But they're also bitter, and justifiably so, and what's dangerous for Hillary is that they're smart enough NOT to feel ashamed or apologetic about it anymore. Hillary doesn't seem to realize this yet (and her own words plainly show she doesn't), but she'll be getting a wake-up call on April 22. (And it won't be at 3 a.m., either.)

Posted by: whatmeregister | April 13, 2008 8:16 PM

There's an article in the Scotsman, the paper that broke the "monster" comment; it says that Jimmy Carter is saying that he and Al Gore are in talks about going to Hillary and trying to get her to pull out of the race. It's stuff like the politization of the 'bitter' remark that makes her unelectable. She's running more of a campaign to help the republicans than McCain will.

Posted by: Sueb2 | April 13, 2008 8:10 PM




Posted by: BOB | April 13, 2008 8:08 PM




Posted by: . | April 13, 2008 8:07 PM

Hillary Clinton '08

When the story of traveling to Bosnia to show appreciation for our troops is too boring for the campaign trail, SPICE IT UP.

Hillary Clinton spicin it up for the last 35 years!

Solutions for the American Corporation

Posted by: UncleRemus | April 13, 2008 8:07 PM

Hillary Rodham Clinton is the most qualified and most electable candidate in the race. She will be a great President.

Obama has again demonstrated with his vile remarks at the fundraiser at the Getty mansion on billionaires row that he is unelectable.

Obama and his wife Michelle are "elite" wannabees. What they fail to understand is that "they" will never be one of "them". You have to be "born into it". Attending ivy league schools on affirmative action programs does not allow you "in". The ivies are the worst proponents of the elitist attitudes. It appears as if Obama actually takes seriously the absurdity of being told "you are the chosen ones".

That's why despite their own ivy educations, Bill and Hillary Clinton are still despised by "them".

Hillary Clinton gets it. The Clintons always have. They have never forgotten their roots. The Democratic party is in serious danger of repeating the same mistakes of the past, losing the "Reagan Dems" votes to McCain if Obama is the nominee. Obama cannot capture voters by insulting them. Obama needs to apologize.

Obama's choice to continually interject racism, sexism, and classism into this campaign is repulsive.

Obama's negatives are rising the revelations about Syrian born Antoin Rezko, Auchi, Odinga of Kenya, Africa (Obama's cousin?), Exelon, Crown, Emil Jones, "pastor" trio of Jeremiah Wright, Moss and Meeks.

Investigative journalist (are there any?) should be investigating and reporting on these questions about Obama.

The voters have a right to know.

All those who work are "working class".


Posted by: John | April 13, 2008 8:04 PM

"You know, he [Bush] wants to divide us over race. I'm from the South. I understand this. This quota deal they're gonna pull in the next election is the same old scam they've been pulling on us for decade after decade after decade. When their economic policies fail, when the country's coming apart rather than coming together, what do they do? They find the most economically insecure white men and scare the living daylights out of them. They know if they can keep us looking at each other across a racial divide, if I can look at Bobby Rush and think, Bobby wants my job, my promotion, then neither of us can look at George Bush and say, 'What happened to everybody's job? What happened to everybody's income? What ... have ... you ... done ... to ... our ... country?'" - Bill Clinton, 1991.

Posted by: Eddie NYC | April 13, 2008 7:53 PM

Hillary would accept the Republican V.P. nom, she would say, "I misspoke when I was saying I wanted to be a democrat."

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 7:47 PM

Shameless! Where was one of those Scranton junkyard dogs when you need one? Give her a real story to talk about. How she narrowly escaped with her a** in tatters after being viciously attacked while on foot patrol.

Posted by: tydicea | April 13, 2008 7:45 PM




Posted by: . | April 13, 2008 7:39 PM

It's not just rurual America thats bitter, its the inner cities too. If he would have said the same thing about inner cities blacks everyone would have shook their head yes. Blacks in the cities cling to guns and church to, and thier bitter! Basically Hillary is saying that he can't talk about white people and what he said is somehow offensive.

McCain-Hillary "08"

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 7:35 PM

There are very solid reports that the last time Hillary walked into a church in 1997, her head spun around 360 degrees, boils appeared all over her body, she vomited copious amounts of green bile at the Minister while suggesting that the Minister's mother was Monica Lewinski in Hell.

Go figure!

Posted by: Regan | April 13, 2008 7:33 PM

Hussien is as phony as a three dollar bill. Clinton exagerates the truth in meaningless things as the Bosnia issue. On occasion Hussien speaks his real feelings by mistake. His comment was one of those moments. He is an elitist. He is also a liar. How can anyone with half a brain believe that he didn't know Reverend Wrongs true beliefs? He is also the one that injected race into the Dem. Primary. I haven't heard the change and hope message recently. That slogan ran out of gas long ago. The only hope is that Hillary gets the nomination and wins in November. A vote for Hillary is a proxy vote for Bill. Other than his little tryst, things really were'nt that bad during Clintons Administrations. Hillary can only win the nomination by winning the popular vote. This will give credence for the so called super delegates to cast their votes for her. Plus she can make the arguement that Obama is not electable because she actually won in the big electoral college states. Of course there will be an uproar at the Dem convention. Ain't it gonna be fun?

Posted by: ziggy1 | April 13, 2008 7:27 PM

Go have a few shots & brews, you pathetic pandering thing.

Posted by: hillho | April 13, 2008 7:27 PM

As an european having a look to american politics, I am quite surprised that american people don't like truth. It clearly seems that what Obama said is something quite right !!!

Posted by: jojoju | April 13, 2008 7:24 PM

It sounds like Hillary agrees that people in this country are "bitter," the only thing is that you can't say it out loud. Out of touch is talking about sniper fire that didn't happen. Look at her in that picture up there, her hair cut cost more than that house those people live in.

Rural PA for Obama

Posted by: J | April 13, 2008 7:21 PM

Another screwball in the Political Arena.

Georgie boy
claims he talks to God and God tell him what to do!

Obama believes he is God and was born to be President. Are we going to allow this kind of unreal person to ruin our country ! Jeb Bush and the Bush gang I am pretty certain Obama's
slip of the lip does not sit well with them.
Georgi wants Obama to be nominated, make a tremendous mess, and in 4 years have Jeb step up and say, now that we have had it with this incompetent, lets get the country back in the Bush hands! Oh. Oh., Oh!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: LYNN PARKER | April 13, 2008 7:17 PM

The only duck Hillary has ever hunted is the Duck Le Orange off of someone else's plate while at La Espalier while she and Bill get entertained and accept contributions (other wise known as taking bribes) for the Clinton Library and Their Legal Fees Fund.

Posted by: pam | April 13, 2008 7:10 PM

Can the real elitist stand up?
Clearly McCain and Clinton are the true Elitist; there are both millionaires, they feel the White House is their birth-right. Senator Clinton lies to the American people and dares us to question her about her countless "misspeaks" or "lies", she as surrounded her campaign with trade lobbyist and expects the American people to believe she is against free-trade. By the way Free-trade stands for: all us Americans will be poor, just like those poor small town rural voters that have been voting social issues for the last sixteen years, while the Clinton's and Bush's have unmerciful sent their jobs overseas.
People wake up and smell the coffee. We are being duped again. The powers to be pull the wool over our eyes ever time. We get all worked up over social issues and we vote the wrong Politian in office. America our great country is bankrupt we are borrowing money from every country under the sun. Now the Clinton's are poised to slip another one sided Anti-America, Colombia Trade deal on all of us, I don't care where you live Urban America or Small Town Rural America we will all share in the suffering of losing more jobs to countries we can't compete with because their pay is so low.
And don't forget about Senator McCain besides the fact he wants to keep us mired in a war we can't afford. McCain policy proposals consist of legislative changes like: repelling the law that requires employers to provide healthcare to their employees, more tax cuts for the richest Americans, continued tax cuts for companies that ship our jobs overseas, and 4 more years of "No Child Left Behind". I could go on and on because McCain policies are Anti-Main Street and Pro - Wall Street/ Pro - Overseas.
Our founding documents are collecting dust.
I am a Obama Supporter but what I am writing about is not about whom we all choose to support, these issues are bigger than I don't like Obama, I don't like Clinton Or I don't like McCain.
What I am writing about is the fact the dollar is on the verge of becoming worthless and our once powerful military is being destroyed by power hungry foolish men whom have no regard for the American people's safety and our brave soldiers well being, while serving our country with their precious blood or upon returning home and in need of support/rehabilitation help from our government. Now that's truly unpatriotic behavior. Our fore fathers said this country was founded for the people and by the people but if we cannot, or will not stand together those profound words are useless. We have to bring the principals our fore fathers wrote about to life, we have to put or differences aside and stand together if "We the American People Will Prevail Against Our Enemies Foreign and Domestic.

Posted by: jeff-missouri | April 13, 2008 6:59 PM

However, I can't remember anyone including the liberal media call them unelectable because of their hurtful remarks. I think it is time for African Americans to reconsider their political affiliation with the Democratic Party. Their votes are not weighted the same or deemed important/valuable as Small Town Rural voters.
African American communities remember this: No Democrat can get elected to the White House without your support and the Democratic Party no longer deserves your support. They cannot win those big states Senator Clinton likes to talk about without your support. (Missouri, Illinois, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, and Michigan even California and New York will become questionable because Hispanics have been known to vote Republican)
Let's face it most of us are economical challenged or we were grow up in this oppressive country/society. So what is four more years of what we have come to aspect? I know I am speaking for many African American's when I say we never expected such offensive hypocrisy from our Democrat Leaders like: Bill and Hillary Clinton and their power hungry supporters. Many of her supporters are elected officials, many serving the African American communities, who will need to be re-elected by your "unappreciated Democratic stalwart vote". I guess you black people better get to the back of the bus. White people have a kin way of reminding you that you are second class citizens that will never be judge as peers and never be giving the benefit of the doubt like you fellow White countrymen.
Young African American men remember Senator Obama when they ask you to join their Armed Forces. I don't think they deserve your blood. African American women remember Senator Obama when you decide to go shopping. I don't think they deserve your monetary support. (They don't locate their stores in your communities anyway). African American I think it is time to put your marching shoes back on because we are being reminded why Dr. King gave is life for a worthy cause, that as yet to be rectified.
Let's stand together, hand in hand, shoulder to shoulder, and fight for our natural born rights. That all men are created equal. Let's empower ourselves with the truth that: God is no respecter of persons, he loves all humans and we are of equal standing in his eyes. It has been said that African Americans loved this country before this country loved us.
The why Senator Obama is being crucified by his fellow democrats and the media for every mistake he makes while Senator Clinton and Senator McCain stumble and get the benefit of the doubt. Just think about it: Senator Clinton lied about Bosnia, Ireland, NAFTA and she is still deemed electable. McCain has been endorsed by two of the most high profile, outspoken, bigot/racist pastors, he has voted against every law that had the slightest appearance it would benefit African American but Brain Williams of ABC said "he gets credit for giving a 10 minute speech on the anniversary of Dr. Kings slaying. McCain cannot differentiate between Al-Qaida and the Shiites but he wants to keep us mired in a war that is sending our country to the poor house, McCain's economic policies are: Anti-Main Street, Pro-Wall Street, Pro-Free Trade Deals that steal American jobs from all Americans, Pro- Rich people like the Clintons, No Universal Health Care, has a matter of fact did you know McCain wants to rescind the law that requires employers to provide health insurance for their employees, McCain appears to be suffering from the beginning stages of Alzheimer's Disease to me, with all his gaffes (I am not making light of his illness, I would not wish that wicked disease on anyone accept maybe George Bush Jr., Carl Rove and Dick Chaney) yet McCain is still deemed electable. I could go on but I believe you get the point. Don't worry; there are plenty of good old White folks like me who will be honored to march with you, for this worthy cause. It will be just like the sixties.
Here is a video link to Senator Obama's SF Fundraiser.

Posted by: jeff-missouri | April 13, 2008 6:58 PM

My talking points to The African American Democrats:
African American community remember these truths in the General Election if Senator Clinton wins the Democratic nomination: The Clinton campaign, her supporters, and news reporters/pundits are saying Senator Obama is unelectable because he made a statement that is debatably true, but he has conceded his comments could have been stated better and he deeply regrets offending anyone. But Senator Clinton, her supporters, and the news media are back to playing sound bites taken out of context in an attempt to derail Senator Obama's campaign bid.
I can recall several comments made by White politicians and political pundits on the cable news stations during the course of this race that were extremely offensive to the African American community like: Former President Bill Clinton calling Senator Obama a "kid", Senator Clinton belittling Dr. Kings influence in securing the Civil Rights Bill for all people", Govern Rendell of Pennsylvania proudly proclaiming White people in Pennsylvania would not vote for Senator Obama because he a black man and Govern Rendell refusing to take his comment back; instead he said we Americans are too sensitive about race issues and we need to be able to have a honest conversation about race. Basically he said White people are racist and we are proud of it in Pennsylvania.
Pat Buchanan and Joe Scarborough, love to refer to White Pennsylvanians has people who will not vote for Obama because he is black. On a large scale the cable news shows have conjured up all kind of politically correct ways to characterize White voters who will not vote for Obama because he is black like: "Working Class Voters"( like people of other nationalities don't not work), my personal favorite is "People Who Have a High School Education or Less", "Blue Collar Workers, Lunch-Bucket People, Archie Bunker Democrats, Reagan Democrats, People who make $50,000 a year or less"( you can assume they are talking about White people because most Black people make far less than $50,000 a year and let them tell it, we are the only people voting for Obama, he sure has gotten a long way off the African American vote, he has won in some states were African American only account for 1% of the population but somehow that 1% pushed Senator Obama over the top) and don't forget about Fox News they might has well take those white sheets out of their closets and put them on while they broadcast their beloved ,scared, American tradition, we hate black people talking points.

Posted by: jeff-missouri | April 13, 2008 6:57 PM

Why do some Politian's get the benefit of the doubt?
If Clinton can lie about being under sniper fire and McCain can't differentiate between Al Qaeda and Shiites then Obama can make a mistake regarding his chose of words. But he is correct Americans all across America are upset, angry and yes bitter at Washington. If that were not true than George Bush's approval rating would not be 27% and 82% of Americans would not think our country is on the wrong track. Now if that is not anger, frustration, bitterness than I don't know what is. Also it is a known fact that republicans use social issues to persuade voters to vote republican because they can't win on issues like: the economy, the war in Iraq, and their overall indifference to the American people. There is a negative connotation associate with the word "bitter" but the fact still remains American's are not happy. If Obama wins the democrat nomination or if he loses, I am proud that he was brave enough to speak hard truths to the American people. But the sad fact is American's can't handle the truth that is why politicians' lie to us. If Obama loses because he spoke the truth than we can expect politicians to continue lying to us.
Huffington post has a story regarding some comments McCain made to the New York Daily last year, which would offend some; McCain's comments were about small town folks and Hispanic voters. Why is McCain getting a free pass from the Media? Fairness is all we are asking from the media. I read a story on MSNBC about Clinton taking money from a company that has one of the largest sexual harassment law suits pending against them. When the Clinton campaign was confronted about their affiliation with this company they refused to return the contributions to the company. Also there is a company in Brazil that has been charged with forcing their workers to work and live in slave conditions. The company was raided by the Brazilian police and shut down. Guess who their business partners were. Hint: their last name starts with a "C". I am not making these stories up-I am telling the truth. I am an Obama supporter but I would not lie on Mrs. Clinton about subjects has serious as these.
The Republican Attack Machine is going to bury Clinton with her Bosnia Lie. Just think about it: McCain is a war hero. He is a POW whom served his country under true sniper fire. Now we can all imagine what that "527" Swift Boat ad is going to say and how damaging it will be to her political future. We should all be afraid that the Republicans have not pounced on Clinton already. They are smart and Rove is saving his attack for the General Election.
Before Senator Clinton gets to go up against the Republican Attack Machine she is going to have to get through Senator Obama's "Wall of Loyal No Matter What Supporters". Food for thought: most of us will not, are not, and would never vote for Senator Clinton.
So Senator Clinton and her supporters can forget about the White House because she is never going to see the Oval Office again. The sad fact is Carl Rove has a lot to do with our Democratic Party splitting in-two; partly because he knew that Senator Clinton would rather tear our party apart then lose what Senator Clinton believes rightly belongs to her. The party elders have taken too long to unite and I truly believe this latest gaffe by Obama and attack by Clinton will split our party in half.
Yes I admit Senator Obama used a poor chose of words but so has Senator Clinton. I don't see Senator Obama producing sound bites for the Republican Party and further more Senator Clinton can forget about her big state argument because the AA community will not vote for her in the General and Democrats cannot win without their heavy turnout. The last time a Democrat won the White House was when former President Clinton won and guess what group of people made the difference both times former President Clinton won? You guess right.
Last but not least Senator Obama's youth vote is the X factor that will produce a winning coalition that can secure victory this year and for many years to come. But watch what happens if Senator Obama does not win because he spoke uncomfortable truths - truths nevertheless were spoken by Senator Obama.

Posted by: jeff-missouri | April 13, 2008 6:54 PM

Washinghton Post why are my comments not being posted?

Posted by: jeff-missouri | April 13, 2008 6:52 PM

How can anyone consider this anything but salient reasoning is beyond me: "In Muncie, Ind., he said, per ABC News' Sunlen Miller, "There are a whole bunch of folks in small towns ... who are bitter. They are angry. They feel like they've been left behind. They feel like nobody's paying attention to what they're going through. So I said, well you know, when you're bitter, you turn to what you can count on. So people, you know, they vote about guns or they take comfort from their faith, and their family, and their community, and they get mad about illegal immigrants who are coming over to this country, or they get frustrated about how things are changing. That's a natural response. Now, I didn't say it as well as I should have, because the truth is, is that these traditions that are passed on from generation to generation -- those are important. That's what sustains us. But what is absolutely true is that people don't feel like they're being listened to." Apparently, for HRC, it's okay to blatantly LIE about Bosnia, but Obama's "inartful" choice of words" constitutes practically a criminal offense. What hypocrites both she and her lying husband are. He's "elitist" and they made how many millions just last year?

Posted by: literate1 | April 13, 2008 6:52 PM

I thought Obama's remarks were spot on. Yes, people cling to religion as a way of explaining their plight or success. Good for him for saying so, and typical of Hillary to pounce on the remark rather than think of something of her own to say. The Clinto cynicism is tiresome.

Posted by: Bitter_Liberal | April 13, 2008 6:48 PM

Why does the Post continue to play along every time Clinton goes off on another spitting outrage routine?

Doesn't the pattern ever become apparent to you? You are supposed to be journalists after all.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 6:44 PM

Yes, Obama could have phrased his comments better, but as a small town person myself who observes people losing jobs to outsourcing, rising gas and grocery prices, pointing out our frustrations certainly doesn't make him an elitist. I hope and pray that the people of Pennsylvania will overlook this poorly spoken viewpoint, and see the bigger picture of which candidate truly could do more for them.

Posted by: Denise | April 13, 2008 6:41 PM

I think Obama's comments point to a larger Obamaroma that we have yet to fathom. Consider today's article ran by CBS (The Bad Company Of Barack Obama, It really makes me wonder what Obama really believes, in his heart of hearts. Is he also asking us to ignore his association with Bill Ayres and Khalidi, along with his association with Wright and Rezko? How long is Obama going to keep up this farce?

Posted by: alee21 | April 13, 2008 6:31 PM

from Myrna Melgar who was actually at the Obama Fundraiser:

As someone who was at that now famous fundraiser where Barack spoke about the bitterness folks in rural America feel, I have grown increasingly bewildered at the Clinton campaign's distortion of his words. The paragraph that has so spun out of control in the mainstream media was not a part of the speech itself, but rather a response to a question from someone in the audience (one of us!) who was planning on traveling to PA as a volunteer and was asking about what to expect. I listened to Barack's response and was stuck by his emotional intelligence, deep empathy and understanding of our fellow Americans. It was in no way condescending or demeaning. So that you don't think I am one of these so called elitist San Francisco rich who are out of touch with everyone else outside our bubble: I am a Latina, single mom, who immigrated to the Mission during the civil war in El Salvador. America has given me great opportunity, but I know struggle and discrimination. I have spent most of my career as a community and union organizer engaged in conflict with the "haves" and building leadership in poor communities of all colors to speak truth to power. Barack's message of hope and inclusion of us all speaks to me and mine: White, black, immigrant, Latino, Asian, male, female, gay, straight. Of course people are bitter and angry! One of the foundational principles of community organizing in America has been to tap into the discontent of people who are oppressed and turn it towards positive change, so that the emotinal energy that fuels the anger will instead be used to motivate people to action for positive progress and change. It is a radically different message that the Obama philosophy espouses: we can change the world ourselves - we need to work hard and turn our bitterness and anger towards the actual work of holding government accountable. It applies to poorpeople in rural appalachia as much as it applies to poor people in the inner city public housing projects in Chicago. I am writing to remind us to stay on message and stay focused. For the past four days, the media has been going nuts over that comment, including folks in the Democratic party who should know better but whose self interests is perhaps to protect the paradigm of division that has kept them at the top of the fragile balance between Republicans and centrist Democrats over the past 20 years. This moment in American history is about WE the people, and millions of us have elected Barack to speak for us now, because he speaks the truth. Enough is enough. Let's stay on message, and I have no doubt we're going to win this one. Here is an excellent piece by someone who lives in Western Pennsylvannia about this brouhaha: Peace to all.

Posted by: alison | April 13, 2008 6:29 PM

She needed to learn to shoot... to take care of the snipers, of course.

Posted by: highho | April 13, 2008 6:28 PM

I find it incredibly amusing that someone who has a net worth of over 100 million dollars, spent her childhood sheltered in Chicago suburbs, and, after Yale Law, became a corporate lawyer is criticizing a guy who GAVE UP that very type of cushy job to work and live on the south side of the city for not being in touch. Are we really supposed to believe this? Seriously?

Posted by: zerosum | April 13, 2008 6:27 PM

Let's move on people to the issues that really matter. Who voted for the Iraq war which has killed or wounded over 100,000 people and counting? Who accepted donations to their charity and library that constitute a conflict of interest should Sen. Clinton become president? Who had campaign staffers and her husband working behind the scenes on a deal she opposes? I'm bitter and don't mind being called such. Hillary is desperate and grasping at straws, and will only make herself look bad in the process. Notice how she deflected the question addressed to her about her church going/gun shooting habits? Easter Sunday was a long time ago for a person whose faith is so important to them.

Posted by: Carrie from MN | April 13, 2008 6:22 PM

The Post has GOT to get Bacon off the Hillary beat. He's completely lost it.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 6:17 PM

I grew up in a real small town. There were 43 kids in my graduating class. But- We had a French club that went to Canada for a week, a Senior class that went to Washington DC for a week, we had boys and girls Jr. and Sr. varsity soccer, basketball and baseball. We had a drama club, a band, and a chorus. We published a yearbook. Over half my classmates went to and graduated from college. Then, a paper mill, a textile factory and a machine shop with a GM contract closed up shop. Now every one of those school programs has been cut back or eliminated, we can't keep good teachers because there not enough money, our dropout rates are up, and teen pregnancy is up. Clinton's NAFTA sent jobs away, the owners of those companies made fortunes. They pay "speaking fees" to politicians to thank them. My community has suffered and I'm smart enough to make the connection.

Posted by: David | April 13, 2008 6:13 PM

"Hammers"? Don't you even have enough journalistic integrity to be embarassed by this unprofessional, biased, cartoonish nonsense?

Posted by: Teri B. | April 13, 2008 6:11 PM

OBAMA says "[SMALL-TOWN AMERICANS] get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,"

First substitute BUSH, MCCAIN or CLINTON for OBAMA.


Finally, defend it as non-prejudicial. -As not bourgeoisie condescension observing the opiates of the masses that are incapable of critical or independent thought. And please take note of the opiates he ascribes to them: Guns, Religion, Hate, Fear.

Posted by: yael | April 13, 2008 6:09 PM


Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 6:09 PM

Hillary has the right to hammer Obama on this issue. His gross "bitter" comments to San Francisco millionaires included the Clinton years in this 25 year analogy. Thus, Hillary is simply defending herself.

Posted by: Leanza | April 13, 2008 6:06 PM

well its funny when she came to Oregon, Obama held a rally in the rose quarter (12,000) Hillary got some high schools.....and now she thinks that Obama saying that the people from Pennsylvania are bitter, and that he identifies with them, she can say that he is out of touch........she's an idiot.....

clinton was raised in a good home and was well off from birth, she cant relate to the people of Pennsylvania....

Posted by: Oregon4Obama | April 13, 2008 5:56 PM

To my way of thinking, this is all too much ado about nothing. Middle class people in Kentucky are bitter over the way things are going and the cost of keeping their families housed and fed, and the children in school. Everyone knows that it is not cheap to send children to school,and now with everything more expensive, it is harder than ever. Of course there are people who are not bitter, but isn't that always the way? If you have plenty of money, or a good job, you will not be bitter or discouraged, but if things have become harder to afford, and if you are not sure of the job you have, or how long you will have it, then you will resent the government that has caused your pain. That is human nature...there is no disgrace in being bitter and disappointed, especially since it is not the fault of the worker and his family, but is the fault of the governmnt...state and federal. Saying that Obama is "talking down" to voters in Pennsylvania is ridiculous. He is the only candidate who seems to feel their pain. Hillary Clinton can't possibly feel the pain, since she and her husband made $109 million, and certainly McCain is sitting pretty since his wife is worth $100 million. Surely she shares with him! Obama has no such who do you think sympathizes more with the middle class?

Posted by: beccajo | April 13, 2008 5:46 PM

Former President Clinton is no paragon of virtue. He lied under oath and was impeached; an almost singular achievement for a President. He is not running for President again. OR, is this the two for one tag team again.

During this campaign, while his wife talks about protection for workers, he made $800,000 for supporting the Columbia trade agreement. The Clinton campaign strategist and lobbyist, Mr. Penn, also promoted trade agreements with Columbia.

Why should anyone believe the Clintons? We will be fortunate if Mr. Obama becomes the Democratic candidate and we lose this pair of tricky people. Mr. Obama is correct people are angry about politicians.

Posted by: kate | April 13, 2008 5:39 PM

Bush Clinton Bush...Clinton?

Everyone who wants to see Bill Clinton on the society pages for the next eight years, please raise your hand...

Everyone who wants to see Jeb Bush in office after Hillary (2008 - 2016!), and then Chelsea Clinton after Jeb Bush (2016 - 2024!), and then after Chelsea (2024 - 2032!), if you want to have President George P. Bush (Jeb's nephew; 2032 - 2040!) please raise your hand. We could do this for the next 35 years, easy!

This noise about Obama saying some people feel "bitter" is just a crock of chit stirred up by the Clinton campaign. Imagine that, some Americans are bitter because things haven't worked out for them, and this guy running for President had the nerve to mention that true fact! Red alert, a candidate told the truth!...he told it a little too strongly, instead of muttering the usual vague bullchit to keep everyone smiling.

Obama would be a decent, intelligent, dependable guy if his name was Smith, he happened to be European-American, and he lived next door to you. He's the same decent, intelligent, dependable guy now, with his African name, olive skin, and home in Cook county, Illinois.

Oh, and he's got interesting positions on ISSUES, too!

Let's move into the future. Not the Nineties (Clinton), not the Sixties (McCain), but the FUTURE. Obama 2008!

Posted by: zenagain | April 13, 2008 5:35 PM

We are in deep trouble as a country if people are so simple minded as to not see the substance behind Obama's remarks. It is Hillary Clinton who is demeaning and condescending towards the american populace to go on such a tirade regarding Obama speaking the truth of what many of us believe or are experiencing. How dare she, a person that has raked in a tenth of a billion dollars and counting in the last 7 years call Obama out of touch! I am barely able to keep above my head with my mortgage and other bills, but still strive to do better but I am bitter! I am bitter towards this inept government that has failed to end this costly war and who is cutting essential programs. I am bitter at the media for falling into this trap and spreading this non story. If the people in these small towns are this simple minded to fall for this pandering by hillary clinton, then do us all who have hope and who seek a better america a favor. Vote for McCain or Clinton. Remember, you WILL get what you ask for. You will deserve the divisive, inacting government that will ignore you once this presidential race is over. if you all are that simple minded, then I pray for my and future children's well being that our way of life in this country will be determined by people that can't seem to think for themselves and require an out of touch politician like Hillary or McCain determine every step of their lives. God help us all!

Posted by: Sean | April 13, 2008 5:25 PM

It appears that Pennsylvania at large may not care as much about this brouhaha as the blogosphere or the pundits

Posted by: Keith Hood | April 13, 2008 5:20 PM

Any wonder why she's passionately hated by the republicans. I am begining to detest her myself.

Posted by: John | April 13, 2008 5:19 PM

Hilary has a laugh that the people do not like so she may not become the president due to that laugh. That is the logic people use to elect a president.

Posted by: Do not vote | April 13, 2008 5:16 PM

OK, Clinton was raised "middle-class" in Illinois, and played pinochle with BOTH parents at a SUMMER CABIN in Pennsylvania while growing up WHITE...she & husband earned $ 120 million the last seven years or so...and twenty of her stinking-rich fat-cat donors THREATENED House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that THEY would withhold donations from the Democratic party if Pelosi didn't kowtow to Clinton...and Clinton's donors give an average of more than $500...

while OBAMA was raised by a single mother from Kansas, was abandoned by his father, was raised partly in a third-world country (Indonesia), and grew up BLACK there and in Hawaii...he and wife earned about ONE million dollars during the same time period...and Obama's donors give an average of less than $100 per person...

And Clinton calls Obama "elitest"? I guess it takes one to know one!

Like Jimmy Carter said: "The Clintons will be there whenever they need you." Hillary Clinton is worse than elitest; she's Nixonian.

Posted by: zenagain | April 13, 2008 5:14 PM

Okay he has apologized, lets move on. What else doe Hilary want?

You would think she was a republican.

Posted by: Jon | April 13, 2008 5:08 PM

Yes I am bitter. Why don't people like the truth. I understand Hilary don't like the truth cos she is a LIAR.

Obama 08.

Posted by: Laurie | April 13, 2008 5:06 PM

Hilary is going too far with this "bitter" stuff. She is turning me off.

Other democrats did not jump on her when she lied about her Bosnia trip and she goes about saying all this things about the man that she know isn't true.

The media is also ridiculous with their coverage of this issue.

Posted by: Sarah | April 13, 2008 5:03 PM

I am surprised and ashamed that the MSM even dignifies this stuff as newsworthy. To me, it's indicative of how little Obama has given Clinton and McCain to distort. I wish someone would simply compare the media-induced caricatures of our three remaining candidates based on the periodic gaffes and known history. These are the liabilities that we're going to have to accept from each of our candidates:

Clinton: Padded her foreign policy resume with exaggerations about Bosnia (sniper fire) and Northern Ireland (her role in making peace).
Blew her front-runner status with a poorly-run campaign that calls into question her managerial competence.
Perceived as willing to do anything to win, even to the point of destroying the Democratic party

Obama: Guilt by association with Rev. Wright.
He's an eloquent, inspirational speaker who lacks substance
He's young and inexperienced.
He claims small-town democrats are bitter about empty political promises made to them over the last two decades.

McCain: Willing to keep troops in Iraq for 100 years
Makes jokes like Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran and putting an IED in John Stewart's desk.
He's a hot head.
Can't keep the Sunnis and Shias straight.
He doesn't know much about economics
He's too old

If you then actually pay attention to what the candidates say and do Obama's negatives fade, because they weren't particularly substantive in the first place, while Clinton's and McCain's negatives tend to get reinforced.

Posted by: Michael | April 13, 2008 4:55 PM

Obama used the word bitter instead of frustrated. Hillary is the bitter one because she still thinks she is entitled. Obama did not make up a story about sniper fire, He chose the wrong word. He was speaking the truth and is willing to discuss the issues that matter. I am from a small town in NH and yes I am bitter/frustrated because the republicans in my town will not listen to anyone unless its from their own small group. So how many others are from a small town in the US and are bitter/frustrated with the politics as usual we have seen for 7 years and its the same good 'ole' boy politics Hillary is offering. If you want real change then Obama should be our next president.

Posted by: Wayne in NH | April 13, 2008 4:50 PM

Obama has some real nerve calling these folks bitter. If they have guns it's because the people in the Wyoming Valley hunt and they hunt to eat. They may not have much, but they have their pride and they have grit. When the flood came in 72, there were no telethons, no movie stars, no handouts and no presidential visits. They gave us LOANS which we were required to pay back and did.

These people rebuilt their cities with the sweat of the bodies and courage of their souls, unlike the people in New Orleans, for whom there is a never ending demand for more money.

Mr. Obama has buried himself by insulting the coal crackers, the Molly McGuires and staunch Italian and Polish families that are the very heart of the "Valley with a Heart."

They are not bitter, Mr. Obama, they have never know a moment of ease unlike you who have known quite a bit of it. These people understand how to survive hard times, they have done it before and they will do it again. If you are too elitist to understand what blue collar America looks like, you have lost more than my pity, you have lost my vote.

Posted by: Bishop Hoban Girl | April 13, 2008 4:43 PM

LOL! Billary should be Hammering the Chump about the FACT he said: "I Conceded"!

Yet, he is still in the Race?! ;~)

Or, does that somehow all depend on the Definition of what "Concede" Means?!

Posted by: RAT-The | April 13, 2008 4:38 PM

What about the war in Iraq, sky high gas prices and the recession?

While taking a break from doing my taxes, I just read an article in the local paper about CEO pay and how most corporations don't pay taxes due to offshore tax shelters.

Of course people are angry and feedup!

Posted by: bernie - Fairfield County CT | April 13, 2008 4:34 PM

Hillary got a foot in the door and it is not letting it out. She will need more than that based on the polls and Internet Stats, like these;

Obama vs Clinton-
The Google Primary:

Posted by: Dave | April 13, 2008 4:31 PM

Not the funniest attack by Clinton, but close: she would have voter believe that bitter remak will cost democrats the general election...

Is she sure that her ineptitude in running a campaign isn't a little more important? Or will she finally dump those loyal losers that cost her the primary election this year?

Posted by: eljefejesus | April 13, 2008 4:22 PM

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