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Clinton Met With Cries of 'No!' in Latest Bitter Speech


Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) participates in a forum on manufacturing sponsored by the Alliance for American Manufacturing, Monday, April 14, 2008, at the David L Lawrence Convention Center in Pittsburgh.(Associated Press)

By Perry Bacon Jr.
PITTSBURGH -- Criticizing Barack Obama for the fourth straight day over comments he made about Americans who live in small towns, Hillary Clinton finally encountered some resistance in person.

At a forum on manufacturing attended by members of the steelworkers union here, Clinton's comment that "many of you like me were disappointed by recent remarks he made," was met by loud shouts of "No!" When she suggested Pennsylvanians might find Obama's remarks "offensive," again there were loud cries of "No!"

Obama had spoken earlier to this audience, and the loud applause he received suggested some of the people who didn't like Clinton's tone supported the Illinois senator. But Obama had not been jeered earlier in the day when he slammed Clinton, and the New York senator was applauded loudly for much of her speech, as she laid out her agenda to protect manufacturing jobs.

Her emphasis on protecting American workers in trade agreements and reducing tax breaks that go to big companies was much the same as Obama's. Speaking of China, the pair now use almost the exact same phrase to suggest that U.S. borrowing from China harms American ability to influence Chinese policy. "It's hard to be tough on your banker."

Asked about her husband's support of the North American Free Trade Agreement, Clinton said, "As smart as my husband is, he does make mistakes."

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Posted by: JakeD | April 15, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

must have been that darned elite food stamp crowd booing. the unbitter vote will carry Hillary.

Posted by: hammerdown | April 15, 2008 7:05 AM | Report abuse

If Smart-Do-Nothing did not know what Uncle Wright said over 20 years, How possible to know about other typical people?

One thing for sure, that is, he is doing everything to quickly climbing political ladder but nothing really helping this nation.

Posted by: jy2008 | April 15, 2008 1:37 AM | Report abuse

THIS IS A LOAD OF CR*P

It just goes to show that most Americans aren't as dumb-founded as the Clintonians would like to think. The "elitest" is the individual that has grossed over 100 million $$ in dirty money and shady deals from some of America's enemies, expoit NAFTA and Columbia trade deals while grossing $80 million while at the same their Chief Strategist in behind the smoked filled closed doors cutting deals on the behalf of the Columbia trade, while at the same time the "Elitest" is falsely telling small town struggling folks that she feels their pain. This is a great day in America, because Billary is a liar and most Americans are starting to see right through her....By the way, Obama should also hammer her for the 2007 tax returns since tomorrow is 4/15 and for those contributors to the Presidential Library...Why not let the American people see just how much you are on their side while you are cashing in all that cash on the backs of the small town, struggling American People. I hope that Barak beats her so bad in Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Indiana...I think the smart Americans have had enough of this polarizing, b.s.

And for all of those old heads who keep saying negative things about Obama's younger supporters, I say to you ....Shut UP!! Your babybooming behinds had decades to get America on the right track but as we have all seen with the 2 term Bush and the 2 term Clintons and the fact that any politician can scare you into re-electing them, I think its great that my children are intelligent enough to make decisions based on their research and what's important to them. We had our chance and maybe these younguns can show some of us polarizing, can't get it together old heads how to step up to the plate and bring about change instead of just talking about it!!! Kudos to our younguns who are actively involved in the political process....this is your world and we are fighting to keep American prosperous, safe, clean environment and one Nation undder God for you kids! Keep up the good work!!! Don't let these old folks who haven't had enough guts tell you how to vote or who to vote for...they've had their chances and still haven't gotten it right.....Kudos to our young folks!!!

GIVE ME A BREAK YOU IDIOT

Posted by: john | April 15, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

(Given Obama's skill at bowling aren't you glad that he didn't go for a photo op at some hunt?)

What he said was true. He said he could have put it better, but its true. Jobs have been disappearing and when they're gone if they're replaced they're replaced with ones that pay less, have less stability and often reduced or no benefits.

Posted by: Martin | April 14, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Would you, as "small town" Americans whose factories has closed and no new ones opening, prefer a president who see that your finances are suffering and in need of help [Obama],

or

prefer a president who is saying you're all OK, you're doing great, you small town folks will get up again (somehow), that since you are the true Americans and Americans never give up blah blah...

I don't know about you, but I prefer a president who, at a fund raiser with the rich, still thinks about the suffering of the poor, still tries to understand what causes some of them to be frustrated or bitter with the government etc...

I would love to hear others telling that I am great, that I am optimistic and happy and will get pass everything... But I'd like it more if a president sees that in reality I might be suffering and would make policies to give me a break.

I guess it is because Hillary and McCain both sees that you guys are fine that nothing has been done about your condition.

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As to "elitist"... give me a break. Anyone having over a couple of millions in the bank is up there.

Would an person raised by a single Mum, went to work in a community centre, just paid off his student loan... would that person have more empathy and understanding of the suffering of us little people more or less than ones with whose family were so regular they had a beach house for the summer, goes to Ivy League schools, got connected to jobs and now has $104 million in the bank, and whose hubby is a former US president...

Posted by: ozzie | April 14, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Hillary really must be in debt to a big-fish.

She is starting to look really desperate even more desperate then before, all win an election.

She keeps trying to stab Obama in the back to win, instead of winning on her own merits.

First she wanted to just TAKE the nomination from him.

Then argued taking his delegates.

Now she is trying to label him to the people, by twisting his words to benefit her.

She's desperate. She must owe a BIG-FISH, in a big way.

I think she would jump on Obama's fart if she could, just to tell everybody what it smelled like.

This women is DESPERATE!!! And she IS an
elitist, enter alia.

Mark Penn is at her side, because she owes him million.

The media needs to look closer at that.

McHillary

Posted by: stop the nonsense | April 14, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

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The 44th President of the United States

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA

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Posted by: . | April 14, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Mason. I know how polls are done.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

You want to "imply", you're a fool and your argument shows it. Grow a thicker skin you chump, it doesn't matter, when they foreclose your house blame yourself.

Posted by: The Oracle
_____________________________________________

You won't answer my question will you? You Obamanite sheep are all the same. When you are caught you avoid and ass ume that educated elitist attitude. Just like your shepard.

I am probably not as smart as you are. I do know I'm not near as smart as you think you are.

By the way, Hillary was not any of my first three choices. When Edwards dropped out I had only Hillary or Barack. I did have enough common sense to avoid Obama.

Again. are you the new Obama context translator?

Posted by: Chief | April 14, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Jake, do you know how polls work? They ask a sample of people, usually over the phone. There are techniques to avoid introducing bias d/t time of day, day of the week, and other factors, but it's a sample. Sometimes the polls just get it wrong. ARG has been getting it wrong lately because their own numbers aren't internally consistient and haven't been borne out by any other data. Who knows? They might be right, but it's statistically sound to dismiss them until there are more datapoints that agree.

I'm reminded of Rove's comment before the '06 election stating that he had "the real numbers" and they said that the GOP would hold the house and senate.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'm out. Cheers......

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh and Chief, that was really meant for you. Jake isn't an HRC fan.

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Jake, you're a fool, like I said. You see what you wanna. Aren't you tired of proving me right. That was actually "Fake" JakeD. :)

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Oops, some of you fools actually believe that. lol.

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

And as i already stated to JakeD, the fact that you even are arguing that ignorant case is proof that he was right, you're so busy arguing whether he was demeaning or not you're not paying attention to policies. DEMEANING IS EXPECTING PEOPLE TO BELIEVE YOU ARE AGAINST CAFTA, WHILE YOUR HUSBAND IS MAKING BOTH OF YOU RICHER FROM GIVING SPEECHES ADVOCATING IT.

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Yes EE, We've seen that poll.

And it's wrong. ARG has been a yo-yo over the last couple of cycles. They've got some bad sampling data because they've had some pretty severe outliers. Watch the "poll of polls" data over the next couple of days.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

The Oracle:

Weren't you the one who "guessed" I was posting from prison? I didn't know they let prisoners have unlimited Internet access. You really need to change your name.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Ha. I would say don't worry if I'm an elitist or not. Just know i've come from harder backgrounds then either of you. Chief, I might not be. But at least we do KNOW you're one of the less educated Dems. Chief, awwwwww, did I hurt your fweeings?? An just look at what he said. Theres no need to argue written words with you. You want to "imply", you're a fool and your argument shows it. Grow a thicker skin you chump, it doesn't matter, when they foreclose your house blame yourself.

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

ElaineE:

That poll will be dismissed because it's "unstable" (completely discounting that the BITTER comment hurt Obama significantly). Let's hope and pray that next week's Pennsylvania primary results are exactly 57% for her and 37% for him.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, Chief. I meant to type your name as the "addressee" in that 6:49 PM post.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Mr.Obama get your spin right. Pennsylvania small town middle class whites are often deeply religious, because they believe with all their heart that being kind to your fellow human beings is the right thing to do, that the golden rule of doing onto others as you would have them do onto you is the path to a better life... to God. They can be immensely religious. They do not do this out of bitterness, but out of love.
As to guns, hunting is part of the Pennsylvania culture; and always has been. Hunting is not being clung to out of bitterness. Pennsylvanians hunt, because they enjoy doing so. With regard to Hillary Clinton's comments about her childhood experience, where her father showed her how to use a gun, I do not hear Hillary claiming that she is a hunter, but rather simply acknowledging her own experience and knowledge of the hunting facet of the PA background. And she is absolutely right. A number of my Pennsylvania cousins do hunt. It is a part of the Pennsylvania culture.
Finally, Mr. Obama, it would be well for you to remember your history. These same little 'bitter' white folk come from the same stock as the good people of Pennsylvania of days gone by, who during the era of slavery helped run away slaves escape via the Pennsylvania underground railway. The people of Pennsylvania come from a very proud heritage.
Mr. Obama it will be well for you to learn and acknowledge that there is no typical American white person.
And the PA polls: ARG Pennsylvania Democrats poll is finding as of today (4/14/08):
Clinton 57, Obama 37

Posted by: ElaineE | April 14, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

Your time is up on the prison computer...you've been on it all day. It's time to go back to your cell and jerk off! During one of your dreams someone told you that you were "God" and that you had the right to judge folk. Well it's seems to me that you have some issues with gay men....which leads me to believe that either you've been molested by a male, homophobic or possibly a closet gay male who is upset with himself for being gay and can't get pregnant. Just seems a little weird not to mention that you say some really weird sh*&! The warden's calling....time to take your hateful butt back to that cell., Ask the warden to please give you some up to date news article. You seem to be stuck on January's issue of Barak "HUSSEIN" Obama! Better get back to that cell before the prisoners catch you!

Posted by: Fake JakeD | April 14, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

DCres:"I guess after 8 years of getting your butt handed to you by the worst pres in US history you get use to being disrespected, even by members of your own party"

LOL. Could be.

But you can't really say he's taken the gloves off against HRC. I mean come on, the the opposition research was bankrolled by Congress, but you haven't heard a peep about Marc Rich, Whitewater, Billing Records, Monica Lewisnky or that attorney that turned up dead in Rock Creek Park. I'm not saying there's much truth to any of those, but you can't say that they don't exist (and won't come up in the GE should HRC pull it out). Pulling out the Starr report is taking off the gloves. Talking policy differences is just foreplay.

Oh... and it was Bill that brought up race by dismissing North Carolina. After all, even Jesse Jackson won there.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't assume that "The Oracle" is one of those educated elitists ; )

Posted by: Chief | April 14, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

How about just defending abortions after "viability"? The lower limit of viability is currently five months total gestational age, and usually later. According to The Developing Human:

Viability is defined as the ability of fetuses to survive in the extrauterine environment ... There is no sharp limit of development, age, or weight at which a fetus automatically becomes viable or beyond which survival is assured, but experience has shown that it is rare for a baby to survive whose weight is less than 500 gm or whose fertilization age is less than 22 weeks. Even fetuses born between 26 and 28 weeks have difficulty surviving, mainly because the respiratory system and the central nervous system are not completely differentiated ... If given expert post-natal care, some fetuses weighing less than 500 gm may survive; they are referred to as extremely low birth weight ...

During the past several decades, neonatal care has improved with advances in medical science, and therefore the point of viability may have moved earlier. As of 2006, the two youngest children to survive premature birth are thought to be James Elgin Gill (born on 20 May 1987 in Ottawa, Canada, at 21 weeks and 5 days gestational age), and Amillia Taylor (born on 24 October 2006 in Miami, Florida, at 21 weeks and 6 days gestational age). Both children were born just under 20 weeks from fertilization, or a few days past the midpoint of an average full-term pregnancy. Despite their premature births, both developed into healthy children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus#Viability

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Anybody who heard his comments and said they're racist has a low self esteem coupled with a predetermined decision. and actually he was arguing against the thought that people aren't voting for him because he's black. Lol. Read instead of saying what you've been told.

Posted by: The Oracle |
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A** Hole, you are one of those educated elitist who says, what he says, he doesn't mean. Out of context. I've heard that excuse for the "great orator" until I'm sick

Would you please explain to this ole lunch pail Dem why this is not racist.

He is asked why small town Penn. is not voting for him. He says they are bitter. They cling (skip guns, religion) to antipathy to people who are not like them.

A** hole, are you implying that statement doesn't mean that he is saying they are not voting for him because he is black.
Why do you kneel to someone, supposedly of words, that can't say anything without you having to explain what he meant.

Have you been hired as the context interpreter?

Posted by: Chief | April 14, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

The Oracle:

Fine -- you start by telling me why we should raise taxes instead of cutting spending.

Tired:

So, you are admitting there's a difference between a 3 month fetus and an 8-9 month unborn child?! Interesting. Because, as you pointed out, the medical term "fetus" applies to both.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Mason, I think Barack took off the gloves when he called the Clinton's racists and said Regan was a better pres. I haven't noticed any hesitation on Baracks part to spare the dem party when he speaks about the Clinton presidency. Quite the contrary he seems to relish telling the dem party how "F" up they have been over the last 30 years and how much they need him to save the party. It completely amazes me that nobody in the dem party has the guts to call him on the disrespect he's shown them. I guess after 8 years of getting your butt handed to you by the worst pres in US history you get use to being disrespected, even by members of your own party

Posted by: DCres | April 14, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

I call a fetus a fetus. It is a biological term that picks out living organisms during specific periods of time. So when I refer to a fetus, I am not intending to refer to a 8 month or 9 month unborn child because, by definition, the latter are not fetuses. The ambiguity stems from your remark at 6:19 PM:

so, it is a "fetus" or not?

What is the "it" anaphoric to? I was talking about fetuses and took the "it" to reference these organisms, not an 8 month unborn child.

Posted by: TiredofJakeD | April 14, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Predication:

Hillary gets booed at the debate.

Posted by: Redline | April 14, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Let Hillary keep working to divide. Let's see what goes down at the debate...she always seems scared to say anything to his face...but when she does, she'll look weak and petty...he'll learn from the mistakes of the weekend and knock this down as well. She should just become a Republican and get it over with.

Posted by: Redline | April 14, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jake, lets debate the tax cuts, or something that matters. Not your opinions, cuz thats all they are..

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Seem logical AJ, but will Hillary follow the logic?

Posted by: Redline | April 14, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Ha!!!!! So let me get this straight Chief, having people who donated to you that WORK for Oil companies is the same as getting donations from the Oil Company itself?? I understand why she can lie to your face and you're like "yea Hill, I'm as smart as I look!!!" At least his top strategist wasn't a lobbyist advocating what he publicly said he was against.

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Tired:

For the record, I "decry" all elective abortions, partial-birth or earlier. I would be happy to move on to all other forms of abortion just as soon as someone defends partial-birth abortion. Indeed, I am not the one moving the target. At 6:03 you posted "A FETUS is NOT physiologically the same as an 8 month unborn child, nor is it the same as a 9 month unborn child or a child coming out of the birthing canal" and yet 5 minutes later "I call it a fetus". Make up your mind, will ya?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Noticed Obama made a speech accusing Hillary of taking PAC and Lobbist money. He made sure he said PACs and Lobbist. He wondered what they would get, in return, if she got elected.

Noticed he didn't mention bundlers from big oil and other big business. Wonder what they expect to get in return.

Those crazy cult members actually think he gets only 10, 20, 30, 40, or 50 dollar donations. What sheep.

Posted by: Chief | April 14, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Chief, you seem kinda bitter. So it'd be a waste to actually hold a convo with you. Anybody who heard his comments and said they're racist has a low self esteem coupled with a predetermined decision. and actually he was arguing against the thought that people aren't voting for him because he's black. Lol. Read instead of saying what you've been told.

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Chief,

I take it you missed my response to JakeD on the very subject you bring up. I'll repost it for your perusal:


JakeD,

Try to learn your own language: antipathy towards people that are not like you is not ipso facto antipathy towards others of a different race. It could be antipathy towards people in a different socio-economic level than you (hence the elitist charge). To bring in race assumes far too much and shows that it is you who is thinking of it in that myopic manner.

Also, lay off the whole HUSSEIN crap -- we all know he is a Christian.

Posted by: TiredofJakeD | April 14, 2008 5:24 PM

Posted by: TiredofJakeD | April 14, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

LOL -- so, it is a "fetus" or not?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

I'll ask this DCres, who knew who Obama was nationally before 2006?? The world knows HRC, so lets be honest. Her being well known cancels out the money.

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

My comments are a response to your blanket statement that you are against abortions, as a whole. If you wish to make your views more precise by saying that it is partial birth abortions that you decry, then that is a different story all together. That is not how you have presented yourself here. It's difficult to have an intellectually honest discussion with a moving target.

Posted by: TiredofJakeD | April 14, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

DCres
Here's my theory on his lack of closing ability: He's being nice to them. Sounds crazy, huh? Hear me out. BHO has said that HRC can run as long as she wants. Nuts, huh? He should be trying to put her away, not egg her on. Here's the rub: People voting in DEM primaries are genearlly more partisan. They have, in general, good memories and feelings twoards Bill Clinton, so BHO can't go too negative on HRC's White House and pre-White House activities at the risk of ailenating people who pine for Bubba. Sounding like Ken Starr is no way to win a Democratic Primary. Besides, he's confident he can win it without trashing them, and he wants to win it clean so that he can call them up in September and tap their resources/supporters in the general.

He could use this tempest in a teapot as an exuse to dredge up all the Clinton's skeletons, but he won't because it's in neither his intrest nor the party's. When it comes to McCain, however, all bets are off. You're kidding yourself if you don't think you're going to hear about McCain's first wife, or hear a Sunni-Shia mixup attack ad on endless loop after McCain claims to be the Foreign Policy expert. HRC has the benefit of being under the umbrella of a former president and exhalted party leader. BHO doesn't want to tear into that. John McCain has no such armor.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Jake, obviously you see and hear what you want. I think myself and tired BOTH stated we weren't advocates for partial abortion. But seeing as none of us her is a woman, I don't feel it's my place to decide. Nor some right wing nutjob who thinks its his personal crusade to christianize the world. Remember son, Seperation of church and state.

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Too bad Obama's wealthy elite didn't yell "NO" when Obama started demeaning the working people of America

Posted by: Trey
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Right on. Worth repeating.

Howard Fineman, on Hardball, mentioned the racial tone of Obama's statement about the antipathy toward someone not like them. This is pure racism. This statement was made in response to a question of why small town America did not support him. He said it was because he was black.Finally a pundit saying it.

He also mentioned Obama's arrogance early Saturday morning by appearing agitated why anyone would dare question what he would say. Noticed he changed his tune later. Obamababy messed his britches good this time. This isn't going away.

Posted by: Chief | April 14, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Well big deal, Obama can plant people in an audience to hekel his opposition. Not sure what this proves.

Posted by: DCDave | April 14, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Oracle,that's just what I'm talking about---- tons more money, tons more possitive press,much less scutiny,legions more rally participants and he still can't take the "B" out . WHAT"S HIS PROBLEM?

Posted by: DCres | April 14, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I am not the one failing to keep up. The "Oracle" (above) wanted to debate "policy" so I suggested we start with partial-birth abortion. I then described the procedure as conducted on FULL-TERM pregnancies ("the LIVE baby is delivered, except for the head, and then scissors puncture the back of the neck, brains sucked out, and skull collapsed so as to 'technically' be abortion rather than infanticide"). That's when "Tired" barged in on the discussion. No one has yet to answer my initial question -- here it is one last time -- how could you possibly defend such a barbaric procedure?

So much for the policy debate ; )

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Alas Tired of JakeD, I grow bored of him also.

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

You know what Jake, I love the fact we're even having this discussion. Because unwittingly you have showed what Barack said as true. You're talkin bout abortion, and gay marriage. What about gas, economy, Iraq, things we both can support

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

I call it a fetus. You still haven't responded to my posts. Very disappointing, especially since you've noted on various occasions your desire to have a substantive policy discussion. Yawn, you're boring me.

Posted by: TiredofJakeD | April 14, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Hey DCres, do you actually think that if HRC wasn't a former 1st lady she would even be in the race still?? How about the fact that he's raised more money then the biggest political machine in the last 20 yrs.

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Mason:

Huckabee had no chance (even with the Colbert Bump ; )

Tired:

If not a FETUS, what do you call the "victim" of a partial-birth abortion?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

AJ -
If Obama loses by fewer than nine points, it will effectively *be* a draw thanks to proportional apportionment. It's not the media, it's the math.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

Who is talking about aborting newborn babies? Read my post. It said, a FETUS is not the same as the infants Andrea Yates killed. A FETUS is NOT physiologically the same as an 8 month unborn child, nor is it the same as a 9 month unborn child or a child coming out of the birthing canal. I know a nuanced discussion might be difficult for you, but try to keep up.

Posted by: TiredofJakeD | April 14, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton '08

When the story of visiting our troops in Bosnia is just too boring for the campaign trail, SPICE IT UP.

Hillary Clinton. She's been spicing it up for the last 35 years!

Solutions for the American Corporation

Posted by: UncleRemus | April 14, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

See thats the problem, you guys want the argument to fit whatever you're talkin about at the moment. Kinda like 1st we're against Al Qaeda, then we go to Iraq for AQ, then we find out theres no AQ in Iraq, now they're saying Iraq attacked us...

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

If Sen Obama can't close out the Dem nomination by running an almost perfect campaign against Sen Clinton's terribly run campaign, what does that tell you about Nov. Sen Obama is a light weight neophyte-- Pres Obama will be bad for the US,a disaster for the Dem party and a catastrophy for the black community

Posted by: DCres | April 14, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Mitt "I'm liberal enough to get elected governor of MA twice, wait, no, I found my conservative roots" Romney?

I liked Huckabee. He was fun to watch, and came off less.... politiciany, if you catch my drift.

Plus you've gotta love those good ol' boys from Arkansas.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

What Andrea yates did is called "infanticide" not abortion.

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

The "Oracle" (since you haven't gotten anything else right):

If TiredofJakeD can't do it, please explain exactly how a NEWBORN baby is physiologically any different than that same baby with just her head in the birth canal 1 minute before?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

TiredofJakeD:

Perhaps then you can explain exactly how a NEWBORN baby is physiologically any different than that same baby with just her head in the birth canal 1 minute before?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Jake: I am too. But whats that have to do with Obmama and abortion?? Lol. Hard to stay on topic??

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Ashley:

Sorry if I missed the first time you asked, but no need to ever feel bad for asking honest questions -- the only stupid question is the one not asked -- the reason I mention his middle name whenever I can is because I enjoy teaching people about little-known facts. Let me know what's not "logical" about that. For instance, another little-known fact is that HUSSEIN means "handsome" in Arabic. Did you know that? Even if you did, someone else, not posting, may not.

Also, I use capitalization (not "bolding") of his middle name (not his last name). Maybe you are thinking of Ted Kennedy, instead, who kept calling him Osama-Obama?

Lastly, I have used William JEFFERSON Clinton's (as well as his wife's) middle name too. So, I hope that answers all of your questions.

The "Oracle" (wrong yet again):

I am not homosexual -- I am against Andrea Yates killing her kids though -- are you?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

To suggest that a fetus is on par with the fully realized humans that Andrea Yates killed is again to assume far too much, without offering an argument to justify those assumptions. I'll be more than willing to admit that abortions = murder when you show me the argument to support that a fetus = a baby (oh, and please leave the whole Jesus Christ tells us it is behind -- they're a non-starter for me).

From what I can surmise of your posts, you are a rather presumptuous individual (just another kernel of advice). Oh, and to state that you are against abortions and gay marriage is NOT a discussion of policy. It is merely an opinion that requires support. Thanks for playing.

Posted by: TiredofJakeD | April 14, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Lol. You should change your arguement. Let me give you a crash course in academics. They used to tell us, when looking for info use a "gov" site. Reason being, there is usually no slant on these works. After reading the article you posted that was nothing short of twisting words. Yes, if a young girl gets pregnant too early it can def influence her life in a bad way. Believe me, I went to school with a lot of them. There is still no EVIDENCE he voted to support "Partial Life Abortion". Get your facts straight. Come on man, the person who wrote this calls himself the patriot. We all know how the right wingers only think they are patriots.

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

How many people here think that JakeD needs to find a girlfriend but probably can't because too many are turned off by his attitude?

Posted by: obamanos | April 14, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Eloquently written Ashley.

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry my fellow HOPE-MONGERS! Obama will probably lose Pennslyvania. I won't be surprised, since Hillary has nearly all the Pennslyvania Democratic establishment campaigning for her. If Obama loses by less than 9pts the media will portray the primary as a draw.

Obama should pick up a win in Guam between the PA and the NC/IND primaries. Then on May 6th if Obama wins both North Carolina and Indiana, the Democratic primary process will be brought to an end by the superdelegates. Enough superdelegates will rally behind Obama even though Hillary will probably win Kentucky and West Virginia in the mid-May, Obama will win the remaining contests in Montana, Oregon, South Dakota, and maybe even Puerto Rico which will push him over the 2024 needed delegate number!

Posted by: AJ | April 14, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Mason:

MITT Romney.

The "Oracle" (you really should change your name):

I am not a woman, and it's not my body either. Any newborn born in this country can easily be adopted out. I'm against Andrea Yates killing her kids too -- aren't you?

As for Barack HUSSEIN Obama voting against the partial-birth abortion ban:

http://www.nerepublican.com/index.php/2008/04/02/barack-obama-sees-unwanted-grandchildren-as-punishment/

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey How you doing JakeMoronD?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Lol. It's ridiculous, you people act like if they legalize gay marriage everybody has to go out and get a same sex partner...

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

I hate to keep egging you on, but i have a serious question.

Where does you insistance on bolding his middle name comes form? What is the origin of that? If has nothing to do with anything related to Barack and is solely predicated on anti-Muslim sentiment that the right-wing of this country thinks people are stupid enough to accept. The bolding of his last name is without reason and it's pointless.

Even if you want to make the weak argument that his father was Muslim and is therefore somehow (inexplicably) tied to Sadam Hussein in that both were Muslim men, the logic for harping on his middle name still falls short. He's christian (not that it matters because shared religion does NOT mean shared responsibiilty for evil deeds. If it did contemporary Christians would still be taking heat for the crusades).

So you must be doing it to try to align him with a bigoted view of Muslims as bad. By this logic, I should emphasize all names that happen to be associated with bad people OR bad acts. So I could call Bill Clinton William "JEFFERSON" Clinton because our founding father Jefferson committed the morally horrible act of owning slaves. Or I could choose to refer to a well known actress as "KIM" Bassinger because she and Kim Jong-il have the first same name.

What you are doing is demeaning to your own intellect (assuming, like I do with all humans, that you have one). You are emphasizing Hussein for no logical reason. It shows the bigotry in you. You can't deny this.

Sincerely,

Ashley CHRISTINA (last name omitted because I am scared of most people on this site)

Posted by: Ashley | April 14, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

And for the record Jake, I'm not saying I'm for abortion, but I don't feel I have the right to tell people what to do with their lives unlike some people. As for Gay marriage, are you gay?? So why do you care what gay people do??

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is getting more and more irrelevant everyday.

Poor Hillary! The Inevitable.

I bet she IS bitter, and clinging to whiskey and beer.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Good enough Jakey??

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Ron Paul?

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Actually they are on topic. Check the name of the article we're blogging on. Now saying that show me at least where Barack has said he is for partial term abortion. 2ndly, for your topic I'll ask you this: Are you a woman?? Is it your body?? An what will you do to help the babies that are born into a messed up situation?? Will you adopt them?? Will you feed them?? It's easy to try to morally look down on people, but you have no solutions to the adverse.

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

The "Oracle" (not doing so good at that, huh?):

McCain was not my first (or 101st) choice for President -- I may still not vote for him -- nonetheless, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Hey JakeD, since we're at it, (and correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to be a McCain supporter)why don't we talk about how a man that was in politics while BO was finding jobs for unemployed people(and married a beer heiress)can say anyone is an "elitest".

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

TiredofJakeD:

Bring it on!

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

The "Oracle":

You are not saying that YOUR theory that "undecided" voters heckled Mrs. Clinton is "off-topic", right?

As for the "off-topic" issues (although both she and Barack HUSSEIN Obama are for them), why don't we start with partial-birth abortion -- the LIVE baby is delivered, except for the head, and then scissors puncture the back of the neck, brains sucked out, and skull collapsed so as to "technically" be abortion rather than infantcide -- how could you possibly defend such a barbaric procedure?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

I have a lot more where that came from :-)

Posted by: TiredofJakeD | April 14, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

But JakeyD can't refrain from bringing race into it. Otherwise he has no arguement. As fake as the current one already is. :)

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

TiredofJakeD:

Thanks for the advice ; )

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Lol. Well typical White Pennsylvanian. you need to watch the news. Ya'll does get cable out there right?? Yeehaw!!!!

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

Try to learn your own language: antipathy towards people that are not like you is not ipso facto antipathy towards others of a different race. It could be antipathy towards people in a different socio-economic level than you (hence the elitist charge). To bring in race assumes far too much and shows that it is you who is thinking of it in that myopic manner.

Also, lay off the whole HUSSEIN crap -- we all know he is a Christian.

Posted by: TiredofJakeD | April 14, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

HilBill must wonder why the same lies that worked in the 90s no longer work. Bob Wills could tell her "time changes everything." Don't let the door hit you on the way out HilBill.

Posted by: rusty 3 | April 14, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, yea we can debate that though it's off topic. copy and post it please so i can respond.

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Here is a local tv report which does NOT have the MSM bias of the WaPo and MSNBC.

http://kdka.com/video/?cid=9

Also, in an earlier report,
Hillary = standing O at introduction. Barry = no standing O

Pitiful attempt by the incredibly biased misogynist MSM to change the subject from the comments of the Bitter Barry Hussein.

Today, he was babbling in his southern preacher accent about politicians who say anything to get elected. DUH, that would include himself. It's a wonder he he didn't say "they" are trying to "hoodwink" you. He has no respect for the intelligence of voters. Us clingy Pennsylvanians...

Posted by: Typical White Pennsylvanian | April 14, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

So why do you care who wins? The DEM primary?
You're just another 28%er whose choice has already been made: McCain or stay home.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

ARG's polls have been a bit unstable as of late. Current - 1 had a tie, and current -2 had Clinton +5%. Now Clinton +20%?

Bad data. Sit. No cookie for you.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

JBH:

Sorry, but I couldn't vote for her in a million years.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

"HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR"

And, since Barack HUSSEIN Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate, he has voted the EXACT SAME way as she has re: Iraq. In addition, in 2004, he said he didn't know how he would have voted on the authorization to invade Iraq had he been in the U.S. Senate with Hillary. So, your point?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

AMERICA BEWARE:

BARACK NSANE OSAMA'S ARROGANCE IS A LAME ATTEMPT TO HIDE HIS INSECURITIIES WHILE AT THE SAME TIME HE LOOKS DOWN HIS NOSE AT THE ORDINARY AMERICANS. HE SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF HIMSELF FOR SAYING THAT THE ONLY REASON THEY ARE RELIGIOUS IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOTHING ELSE, THAT THEY ARE "BITTER"---MEANING THAT THEY WOULD NOT PRACTICE THEIR RELIGION, AND BELIEVE IN GOD IF THEY HAD JOBS, A BETTER LIFE, ETC .

AMERICA, THINK ABOUT WHAT HE SAID! HE IS PROJECTING HIMSELF ONTO OTHERS!

THIS DEFINITELY SPEAKS HIGH VOLUME IN REGARD TO BARACK NSANE OSAMA! ONCE AGAIN, HE IS DOING NOTHING BUT PROJECTING HIS ANGER AND BITTERNESS ONTO THE ORDINARY FOLK! AND, HE'S USING THE CHRISTIAN FAITH TO SEEK HIS POLITICAL GOAL---THE U.S. PRESIDENCY.

GOD SAVE AMERICA FROM THIS SKINNY, PURPLE MOUTH HYPOCRITE, RACIST, LIAR, & PHONY.

VOTE AMERICAN, VOTE HILLARY CLINTON.

Posted by: JBH | April 14, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Actually after listening to Wright for 20 years I'm surprised he doesn't have more slips of the tongue than he does, but the fact is these words are in his head and though they may be slips of the tongue I can't help thinking that this is how he actually feels about whites

Posted by: HC | April 14, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

.

HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR

.

Posted by: . | April 14, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

jencm:

"Bitter" also means "having a harsh, disagreeably acrid taste, like that of aspirin, quinine, wormwood, or aloes" -- we all know what he meant to convey to those San Francisco libs -- or, are you going to say that Obama is a cannibal next?

Fake "JakeD":

TMI

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey Fake "JakeD"

So what if I like to video tape myself shaving my entire body.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Michael West ....

Thank you for your post. It is really a shame that it takes someone foreign to help us understand the true meaning behind our own words.

The only thing Barack is guilty of here is poor use of his Thesaurus. "Bitter" is NOT an insult unless it used to describe a person's entire attitude (which is how McClinton has tried to present it). "Bitter" can (and was) an accurate description when describing someone's frustration about a particular thing. I am bitter about many thing in my life, but I am NOT a bitter person.

This is 4 days of bad reporting and politicing over definitions. Give me a break!

Posted by: jencm | April 14, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Fake "JakeD":

Yeah, just like Barney Frank and Gerry Studds (both D-MA)?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

MizJiggs:

I work at a bicycle shop and love sniffing bike seats!!

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"The Oracle"

I like holding hands with my uncle. He has soft nuckles.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

MizJiggs:

Warren EDWARD Buffett is much richer than all the candidates combined -- why does that matter if they are telling the truth -- are you saying that Buffett couldn't correctly label Barack HUSSEIN Obama's comment as "elitist" either?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that GOP anti-gay hardliners always get caught with a wanger in their mouth???

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

The "Oracle":

First of all, I highly doubt any "undecided" voters would heckle Mrs. Clinton. Second, my 3:59 PM post above was about abortion-on-demand and special rights for homosexuals -- I am against them -- is that enough "policy" debate for you?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Breaking Info:: There is big news coming out on HIllary Clinton over the next 2 days. She will be dropping out of the race when this comes out. MARK MY WORDS!!!!!!

Posted by: Greg | April 14, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

It is clear that Obama has once again spoken the truth; there are "bitter" Americans in this country and in general due to circumstances that are beyond their control but also in the hands of those in Washington and elsewhere around the world. As for the Clintons, making $110 mil. over the past 7 years places them in the "Elite" or "above" Elite category. The fact is, the truth hurts and this is why Obama is being slammed for it. People can't handle the truth although the truth will set you free. OBAMA '09!!

Posted by: MizJiggs | April 14, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Lol. Quite all right. So how am i wrong Sire?? Same background, different reactions...

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Frankly people including myself are getting tired of Hillary Clinton's negative ways. And to say that it was "boorish" behavior by Obama supporters is rubbish. How rude is it to go outside of another campaign office and hold a fake "protest" for the media? I live in Pittsburgh and Criticism of Sen. Barack Obama's comments about small-town voters have been blown out of proportion. Pittsburgh Supporters of Obama have the last word on the "bitter" controversy hype! Local Supporter, Sonjala Allen, Senator Bob Casey, Braddock Mayor John Fetterman comment. Here is link to an article and video covering the story. http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/politics/15870875/detail.html. Click link under picture to see video.

Posted by: ObamaSonjala | April 14, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

The Oracle:

You are wrong (sorry, I was commenting on three other threads ; )

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I actually think I favor Obama over Clinton, but after reading several articles about the aftermath of all of this, I believe that Obama did reveal some of his true sentiments. Here is the second part of his original, highly criticized, statement:
"And it's not surprising, then, that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to express their frustrations."
Now, Obama is maintaining that he did not say things in the way he wanted. He is quoted in a recent New York Times article, among many other papers, to say "When you're bitter, you turn to what you can count on...they get frustrated about how things are changing. That's a natural response."
If we compare his original quote with this counter-statement, it's shocking to see what he is essentially saying: that when we are bitter, we turn to what we can count on, such as religion, guns, anti-immigrants, and even "antipathy to people who aren't like them," meaning dislike towards people who are different, aka discrimination. Apparently, we can count on religion, guns, discrimination, and perhaps racism. I think this reveals a pretty pessimistic view what Americans "turn to" when they are frustrated. And I don't think Obama can dig himself back out of this because this is, in fact, what he believes.

Posted by: MAC | April 14, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Ooooooooohhhhh JakeD, where are you???? Still waiting for that debate......

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

.

HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR

.

Posted by: . | April 14, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they ARE bitter, Hillary.

Posted by: Steve Charb | April 14, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

But it proves the point that she is a typical politician. WHo loves to exploit peoples ignorance to take attention away from the real issues that people are facing. This is exactly why we NEED Obama in the White House. to take a differnet direction than the one the country has been on for the past several years.

Posted by: krez | April 14, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

JakeD
You seem to have a lot of time on your hands. Are things slow at the 711 today or did you take the day off to study for your GED? Too bad if this offends you. It's meant to. Your naked bigotry is offensive to me, and I'm a middle aged southern white male. Wrap yourself up in the self righteousness of a Bible thumper all you what, but your ignorance and bigotry show though like mud on snow.

Posted by: Electric Bill | April 14, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Bob it's a shame other people can't see thats exactly what happened.

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Once again, the MSM is being led around by the nose by the Clinton Camp. Take an out of context statement, distort it by assigning a unintended meaning to it, repeat over and over again and use it as a distraction from really important issues like War, Economy, and the Environment.

Posted by: thebob.bob | April 14, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Lol. I hope you're not referencing your remarks about Warren Buffet. As a matter of fact, I would appreciate one. As for the hecklers, I'll put it to you like this. Either way it doesn't bode well for her because at the very least you can't argue this. They're both trying to get that support, they received him better than her. Tell me I'm wrong.....

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

But I would let her bathe me and my rubber duckie ;)

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh Deborah please. Clinton says she's a fighter until she starts getting attacked for who she is. Then you see her cry, which is she, a fighter or a cryer. I've never once heard Obama advocate voting for him based on his color. But how many times have we heard Clinton say, "Vote for me cuz I'm a woman." Be for real.

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

For the record, the REAL JakeD wouldn't vote for Hillary in a million years.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

The "Oracle":

Care to provide a link to the hecklers being "undecided" voters? Or, you just KNOW that? If it's a policy debate you want, please start with my 3:59 PM post above.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I'm ready to admit it. I support Hillary because she reminds me of my Mommy. And I used to taked baths with my mommy until I was 35yrs old. So I have an unique but gross effection for HRC. So reguardless of all her lies, and mis leading & false information. Her dellusions about her time in the White House.I need HRC to beat Obama so I can have my fantasy of bathing with HRC. SO I will embelish all the hateful, un truths told about Obama. because me and my rubber duckie need attention fast.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Hey JakeD, are you just mad that the same group of undecided voters jeered Clinton, but cheered Obama. Muahahahahahahaha!!!!! Have you noticed how you all can NEVER attack him on policies only trivial side BS. But there are rapsheets on the policies thats Clintoon, and McFeeble support. Only a fool would believe this chick is against CAFTA after her husband made them a million dollars richer advocating it. She herself when asked about this conflict of interest stated: Haha!!!! I don't know, how many angels can dance on a pinhead. Use at least 5% of your minds this time around folks.

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Back on the topic of the Dem. primary:

The latest American Research Group poll, taken after the "bitter" comment hit the news (April 11-13), shows Hillary DIANE Clinton ahead in Pennsylvania 57% to 37%!!!

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

Better start "praying" to more than just Allah up there ; )

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Fake JakeD:

To answer your question (once), no. Also from the New Testament: "A righteous man judges all things ..."

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Deborah:

Thanks for your post -- let's assume that she in fact wins the nomination -- how will she win in November if most of his supporters simply refuse to vote for her -- worse, if they vote for McCain instead?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

Are you homophobic or were you raped by another man? Just asking....although I don't agree with same sex marriages and abortion, I do believe that we are all God's children and only he alone can Judge us...the bible says, judge and be judged likewise...condem and be ye also condemed...everyday all you seem to do is spew out hate and bitterness....You're obviously NOT a christain....unless youfit the mold of the slavemasters who also thought they were christains.

Posted by: Fake JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I am a long time Democrat, and I was very excited about Barack Obama's multi-ethnic, multi-cultural and multi-religious background. The movement behind Obama's campaign truly reflects that America is much more tolerant and open-minded today. I was ready to choose Obama until I heard one too many of his repetitive campaign speeches that seemed to hypnotize people into feeling good but actually said very little. Wanting to still give him a chance I began to extensively research Barack Obama in depth. Unfortunately, what I have found continual pattern of poor judgment about Barack Obama and there is so much information out there that is deeply troubling that has yet to be reported on.

Obama, I have concluded also does not have the emotionally maturity to become President, as he and his campaign often almost sound like cry babies with comments like, "that's racist", "Hillary is a monster", "I didn't mean to say Pennsylvanians were bitter." Obama says he is not clear when he speaks and is often misunderstood by the press. Obama should not meet with emotionally manipulative Anti-American regimes for "one to one" meetings if his words are as he says are continually being "misunderstood".

I am grateful that Hillary Clinton is still running despite the overwhelming almost fascist pressure for her to drop out, and that I actually still have the privilege to still vote for the strongest candidate to run against McCain. Hillary understands that from day one this will be the most difficult presidency we have had in many generations she has 7 years of Senate experience and she will know what to do to get our country up and running at its best!

Senator Hillary Clinton is the best Presidential candidate for the Democrats!

Posted by: Deborah | April 14, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's campaign has "nothing" except wealth, lies and behind the scenes people supporting everything she says she's against. She says she's going to fix Nafta, o.k. why hasn't she introduced a bill while in the Senate to do so? She says she's against CAFTA, hubby put $800,000.00 in their joint account from the Columbian Govt? While her campaign manager was lobbying for them?
Says she took Bullets over Bosnia, not once but four times, then her and her husband said that she was sleep deprived?
In my houshold that's called a "lie", but maybe sleep deprevations has her mispeaking.
McBush calls Obama an Elitest and so does Clinton, he won't release his Tax returns, even though we know his wife is worth hundreds of millions, and the Clintons well they are suffering like regular American folks having made only 109 million?
Obama came from a single Mom household, worked hard stayed in school and made something of himself, he turned down the coporate law firms and went to work on Chicago's south side to help those that are disinfranchised? So exactly who's the ELITEST?

Posted by: Sue F | April 14, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Sal:

Warren EDWARD Buffett is much richer than all the candidates combined -- why does that matter if they are telling the truth -- are you saying that Buffett couldn't correctly label Barack HUSSEIN Obama's comment as "elitist"?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

DeVron:

I also rebuke all of the dishonest politics, but most of all I rebuke pro-choice and pro-homosexual marriage politicans.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

This is so ridiculous - like Hillary or J. McCain are regular people. Each and every one of the candidates are super-rich elites who associate with other elites. Because those are the only people who are in a position to become President. Grow up. The GOP is just better at pretending they're regular guys.

Posted by: Sal | April 14, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is that the Clinton campaign is desperate to get in office and the only thing they can do is try to bring Obama and his campaign down with all sorts of negative tactics. I belive Obama will have favor and that such tactics won't work. Someone stated earlier that he won't get in office in 2009. Well, I rebuke all of the dishonest politics that could prevent him from getting in. Now we'll just see. YES WE CAN and YES WE WILL!!!

Posted by: DeVron | April 14, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Again, luckily, only American citizens over the age of 18 can legally vote for President of the UNITED STATES in November ...

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

"The steelworkers are like sheep they follow the leader."

People who say things like this are accusing Obama of being an elitist who uses harmful words. Yup. OK.

Posted by: drossless | April 14, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

P.S. to BEA -- please take a look again at the 3:49 PM post above.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse


Writing you from across the Atlantic, using English words that may offend (for I am German), places me in a situation similar to that of Obama when he addressed a California audience in San Francisco on April 6. Obama needed to communicate with his affluent supporters the suffering of the working class in abandoned, postindustrial, recession riven areas in northeastern USA. Like Obama, I just have words to share with you. If you preceive my view as critical, please forgive me, but Americans should be receptive to what others from outside see about them. For me, Obama's words brought to life current suffering of working class Americans who were forgotten, who were left behind in the world's richest economy. He attempted, perhaps unsuccessfully, to describe their plight in a palliative way, which Hillary (a conspicuous member of the super rich) unfortunately described as "elitist" and "out of touch". On the contrary, when one considers the words, "bitter", which suggests intense pain; and "cling", which means to hold on to, one is transported to their precarious and debased reality. Rather than "demeaning" them, Obama brought their marginal existence and concomitant frustration to our attention. Alternatively, Obama is admonishing the privileged about the human costs of economic disfranchisement. He listed the anti-isms quite familiar to the world's underprivileged who have gone through them.

Michael West

Posted by: Michael West | April 14, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Good point, Milo, PA. Knowing all that, which one are you voting for next week?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

thank you, interwebz, for such brilliant commentary from the likes of JakeD. if he wasn't real we'd have to make him up.

seriously, compared to you, nihilism has substance.

Posted by: the neoskeptic | April 14, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

JakeD: "For you Hillary supporters out there, let's assume that she gets the nomination -- how will she win in November if most of his supporters simply refuse to vote for her -- worse, if they vote for McCain instead?"

Substitute the name Hillary with BHO, her with him, his with her.

Hillary will make it, but if the women and typical white folks turn their back on BHO, I don't know where he'll make it up.

Posted by: Milo, MA | April 14, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else who wants to discuss the actual election?

P.S. to BEA -- please take a look again at the 3:40 and 3:43 PM posts above.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Jake D....

You keep saying you are a Christian...you know the slave masters said they were Christains too, while at the same time they were raping, killing, butchering and selling black men, women and children...They said that JESUS told them to do it. All while bold faced lying...Sounds familiar to you, doesn't it.....I guess that's the PWT logic that you bring to the discussion board....

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

he, he, he,he,he....LMAO.... Billary isn't going to win the nomination unless she shoots Obama with one of those Winchester shotguns!!!! Ooppss...wasn't that a V.P. Cheyney's mishap...or was it a mis-speak...I don't know I guess I am getting just as confused and McBush....Oh' I mean McBillary, No McCain....boy, I better watch out for those sniper fires 'cause I can't remember what line I am suppose to use....Bill can you help a sister out!!

Isn't it great that the Lord, Jesus Christ is on Obama's side...everytime the "witch on the broom" as one Republican strategist said it mildly yesterday or McCain who can't seem to remember which war we are fighting, comes after Barak, Jesus pulls him right back on top!! Praise the Lord!!! Obama is going to be the NEXT President of the U.S.A. Yea....Yea....LMAO!!! :0) hehehehehe

Posted by: Praying for Obama | April 14, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

For you Hillary supporters out there, let's assume that she gets the nomination -- how will she win in November if most of his supporters simply refuse to vote for her -- worse, if they vote for McCain instead?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

In San Francisco, BHO was trying to explain to the rich donors why he was having trouble attracting votes from blue-collar workers. In essence he was saying they don't like me because I don't look like them. Same old, same old. To take it a step further, if you don't like him, then there is something wrong with you. Now that's an old ploy.

He can talk his little heart out, but it isn't going to change what he said, and he meant what he said.

As for Hillary's shouts of 'No' in the audience, for sure those people were planted. Typical BHO ploy.

The fact is BHO has peaked, and the other side of the hill slopes downward. You kids will have to get used to it.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Well, to be fair, this didn't make the front page at WaPo either ...

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I saw the tape of Clinton speaking, there was a handful of people who booed. Please, six angry people is not news.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

flarrfan:

"Not as far as you know" 1) praying to Allah and/or 2) he's going to lose Pennslyvania?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

BEA:

Please take a look again at Praying for Obama's post above.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

He is going to LOSE big time in Pennsylvania next week. Are you praying to Allah?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 2:48 PM

Not as far as I know...

Posted by: flarrfan | April 14, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

The problem with Clinton attacking Obama for being an elitist is the assumption that the Republicans won't tar her with the same brush if she wins the nomination. This same old tired argument has been trotted out against Kerry, Gore, and Bill Clinton (remember that he got in trouble for similar comments in his run against Bush Sr.). It will be trotted out against any Democratic nominee this time too. Also, be prepared for either nominee to be labeled as "the most liberal senator" and as naive about national security. This is the same game plan the Republicans have been using for decades, what the Dems need to do is rewrite the script, not parrot from it. Running as a slightly softer version of McCain will work as well for Clinton as it did for Kerry.

Posted by: Tanya | April 14, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Praying for Obama:

I will be praying for you (to JESUS CHRIST ; )

Obama Supporter:

Since we probably disagree on abortion and homosexual marriage, I'm sure we would disagree on WAY more things, too. Thank you, though, for reminding me to include "HUSSEIN" more often -- the reason I mention his middle name is because I enjoy teaching people about little-known facts -- I believe it means "handsome". Did you know that?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

"Older"Voter-
This sells papers and web hits, so they're not going to move on. Would that they would.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Jake D
Did you forget your name-spewing beginning in your last post? Is the reason you mention his middle name because you are a bigot or just depraved? There was no racism - Senator Obama uses the term "folk" often in many contexts. He was actually wrong on this one - that's ok by me as he's been right on most other things. And sure as anything - HRC and McCain are wrong on WAY more things.

Posted by: Obama Supporter | April 14, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

JakeD..."....are you praying to Allah..."

I have read a lot of your posts and have realized a while back 1-2 things....Either you have some very deep rooted issues that require medicine and a whole lot of idle time on your hands (i.e.no job, no life, miserable, probably in prison and have access to the computer for good behavior) and is extremely upset with Americans who are not PWT 2) You are an old washed up member of the KKK and is too much of a coward to openly expose who you are or engage in an intelligent covversation where actual ideas, comments, and suggestions can be exchanged. Therefore, I refuse to even lower myself to such a "bitter" comment or further engage in a conversation with a jacka$$...

Posted by: Praying for Obama | April 14, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

BEA:

Again, I suppose that demonizing Hillary is not going to make Obama win either, right? Please take a look again at Peggy McGilligan's post above.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Ironically, Barack HUSSEIN Obama did the very thing that he accused the people of small town Pennsylvania of doing -- to have antipathy towards people who aren't like him -- with his statement that job losses caused people to focus on religion, gun rights, immigration and foreign trade deals.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

In a Pennsylvania political ad, 3 year-old Hillary Rodham, arms extended, toddles toward the home-movie camera. Hillary's present-day voice-over explains, the Rodham family cottage, down by the lake, lacked indoor plumbing. It was hardship borne from the start. Yet, more telling events seem to fall by the wayside. Take twenty-seven year old Hillary's first real job. The upshot: Jerry Zeifman fired Hillary for unethical practices during the Watergate Investigation. Why was Hillary fired? "Because she was a liar," Zeifman said in a recent interview. "She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality."

"I have gone hunting. I am not a hunter. But I have gone hunting," says Hillary. Perhaps equally amusing, is how an untrustworthy politician worth over $100 million-dollars, espouses small town family values. Not only does Mr. Zeifman's account go to character, it goes to a lifelong pattern of lying and obfuscation. It took Zeifman twelve years to get his story aired. After Watergate, Zeifman could not recommend Hillary for any subsequent position of public or private trust, nor furnish her with a letter of recommendation. After that, Hillary Clinton's employment record is one of strict nepotism, cronyism, and amnesia. Although few suspected the lengths to which Hillary would go, a leopard never changes her spots. Again, Hillary Clinton is a bold-faced liar, who will stop at nothing.

According to Mr. Zeifman, it's not just Hillary's dishonesty; that's a fact not in dispute. More to the point is the overall time-span, in which she has behaved in a fraudulent manner. "The Clintons corrupted the soul of the Democratic Party." -Henry Ruth, lead Watergate courtroom prosecutor. Should anyone doubt either Mr. Zeifman, or Mr. Ruth's veracity regarding the Clintons: http://theseedsof9-11.com

Posted by: Peggy McGilligan | April 14, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Angellight:

What you are not getting is that said "folk" turned to religion and guns WAY BEFORE they became "bitter" -- Obama also claimed they have "antipathy to people who aren't like them" -- I'm surprised that less-than-subtle RACISM is not getting more reaction than the "bitter" bite, honestly.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone at the Washington Post read these comments? If so, please move on with your reporting. Obama has explained and re-explained his comments to the best of his ability. Either you believe he had good intentions or not, but rehashing the same thing endlessly only keeps peoples' minds off the same basic issues: end the war, strengthen the economy, obtain basic health care, restore our respect in the world and so forth. As another person said, Hillary out and out lied and the firestorm was over in just a few days. She laughed it off. Can we show the same deference to Obama? Thank you.

Posted by: "older" voter | April 14, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

In an Answer to a Question about small-town America Barack answered, although tired, in earnest and with thoughtfullness: "You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone...And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." What Barack meant in Essence -- which is the Clear-Cold Truth, unlike Hillary's Bosnia Fabrication and Continuing Performances, is that in General, Small-town America, due to a loss of jobs producing frustration and bitterness and with time on their hands, similarly to the Negros in Slavery time, who turned to Religion & Music for an outlet, small-town Americans turn to Religion, Hunting and yes, some blame the current conditions on Immigrants when they should be turning their blame on Politicians who allow employers to higher immigrants for a much lower wage than Americans would go for. He never said religion or hunting (music) were bad, because people tun to them for an outlet when they have lost hope in their government and with extra time on their hands in a way to channel their frustration and bitterness. The Wording could have been better, however I am sure this was due to Barack being tired and on the campaign trail for over 15 months. What he could have said instead, which are synonyms for bitter are that People are Resentful, experiencing Pain, and Prolonged Discomfort, due to harsh and painful economic conditions. However, the fact that McCain, Clinton and others are trying to take a poor choice of words and to make nothing into something-- blowing it out of proportion -- and playing politics as usual, is despicable in an atttempt to get you to see things not as they are but as distortion. People in small-town America have experienced a loss of jobs in a greater degree and opportunity than Cities and suburban America, with very little to look forward to and time on their hands other than to go to church, hunt, and visit their local taverns, and for the young, many join the Military, and so many small town Americans have become bitter and disillusioned. Obama never stated that it was wrong that they turned to Religion and Guns due to time on their hands and/or a loss of hope, culture, plays, theaters, etc., they for an outlet turned to religion and guns.

In a larger picture, people in general all over America, are bitter over high gas prices, increased food prices, loss of jobs and hope, high education costs, increased mortgage costs and foreclosure, loss of jobs that leave the country and move to India and/or China, and as hard as it is to say, some people are bitter over immigration and the loss of jobs due to companies hiring immigrants for a much lower wage than Americans would go for -- in an America that does not resemble the one we used to know and believe in. We have even lost the respect and admiration of other countries around the world due to the demise of the America we love and believe in. As Barack points out, we should not blame the Immigrants but the policies that have caused this chaos.

America, we have to ask ourselves, which is more eggrecious, a politician telling us the hard truth, the things we may not want to hear but need to hear OR a politician telling us a Fantasy/Lie, like the Bosnia Sniper Fire fabrication and PERFORMANCE, things we did not need to hear because not Truth, and which is a betrayal of the public trust and a deeply flawed Character Issue. There was a time that politicians was the most Honest Game in town -- George Washington, Honest Abe, Thomas Jefferson these are just a few examples, but they were men of high ethics and moral character who would not dare to tell the public a bold face ... for their own personal gain, it just was not done. And to say that Obama is an elitist, is like coloring Sen. Kerry a deserter, which they tried and was somewhat successful at, and look where it got us, into a war that should never have been waged and a host of other woes that only True Change from the bottom-up can Transform. I hope the people will see through Clinton and McCain's politicking, Distorting and twisting his words and Message for their own political gain and rally to Obama's aide who in all honesty is trying to Change Washington from a Power Broker to Power People, because in the end it will be the people's voice and votes that matter. Barack Obama in his attempt to speak the clear-cold truth to America has produced a crisis effect, can we handle the truth, seeing things as they are -- the good and the bad, because that is the only way we can change things for the better in America to look at the hard facts and stop trying to sweep them under the rug or have politicians tell us that things are Great, when they are terribly wrong. They are not right and people are bitter, but we have a chance for Hope now; We have a Chance to Change, that hope -- that change is in the body of Barack Obama! Let no one fool you because if you do, you are saying you rather hear a lying politican than one who speaks Truth!

Posted by: Angellight | April 14, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Jesse:

Barack HUSSEIN Obama will not be sworn in as President on January 20, 2009.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama will be the next president

it doesn't matter what hillary or mccain do or say

Posted by: Jesse | April 14, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

BEA:

And, I suppose that demonizing Hillary is not going to make Obama win either? Please take a look again at the Obama supporters' posts above.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Praying for Obama:

He is going to LOSE big time in Pennsylvania next week. Are you praying to Allah?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Doug from Maine:

Warren EDWARD Buffett is much richer than all the candidates combined -- why does that matter if they are telling the truth -- are you saying that Buffett couldn't correctly label Barack HUSSEIN Obama's comment as "elitist"?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

It just goes to show that most Americans aren't as dumb-founded as the Clintonians would like to think. The "elitest" is the individual that has grossed over 100 million $$ in dirty money and shady deals from some of America's enemies, expoit NAFTA and Columbia trade deals while grossing $80 million while at the same their Chief Strategist in behind the smoked filled closed doors cutting deals on the behalf of the Columbia trade, while at the same time the "Elitest" is falsely telling small town struggling folks that she feels their pain. This is a great day in America, because Billary is a liar and most Americans are starting to see right through her....By the way, Obama should also hammer her for the 2007 tax returns since tomorrow is 4/15 and for those contributors to the Presidential Library...Why not let the American people see just how much you are on their side while you are cashing in all that cash on the backs of the small town, struggling American People. I hope that Barak beats her so bad in Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Indiana...I think the smart Americans have had enough of this polarizing, b.s.

And for all of those old heads who keep saying negative things about Obama's younger supporters, I say to you ....Shut UP!! Your babybooming behinds had decades to get America on the right track but as we have all seen with the 2 term Bush and the 2 term Clintons and the fact that any politician can scare you into re-electing them, I think its great that my children are intelligent enough to make decisions based on their research and what's important to them. We had our chance and maybe these younguns can show some of us polarizing, can't get it together old heads how to step up to the plate and bring about change instead of just talking about it!!! Kudos to our younguns who are actively involved in the political process....this is your world and we are fighting to keep American prosperous, safe, clean environment and one Nation undder God for you kids! Keep up the good work!!! Don't let these old folks who haven't had enough guts tell you how to vote or who to vote for...they've had their chances and still haven't gotten it right.....Kudos to our young folks!!!

Posted by: Praying for Obama | April 14, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Hillary deserves to be booed every time she raises her ridiculous "elitist" charge against Obama. Let's not forget Hillary is the original silver spoon girl, raised in a wealthy family, given a privileged education all the way through law school and never having experienced poverty or hardship. She's among the elite of the elite as her tax returns clearly show. Her kind of posturing is shameful and very, very harmful to the Democratic Party. All she is doing is helping John McCain.

Posted by: David S. Robins | April 14, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Demonizing Obama is not going to make Hillary win. She needs to focus on the real issues facing Americans.

Posted by: BEA | April 14, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, I needed to see that. Sometimes I wonder why good people, intelligent people like Obama get involved in politics. It's such a twisted game. You're gambling on the basic goodness and sensibility of people, things I believe in and I think most Americans believe in, but you're dealing with a shark feeding frenzy style of media and people in politics whose faith is in the power of lies when they're repeated loudly and often. For the most part Obama has hung in there, on higher ground than we've seen politicians gamble on for years. Eltist? We have film footage of thelast President refering to the elite as "his base" and then he chummied up to the American public as the "let's have a beer on the porch" guy. Elitist? $100,000,000 vs. $4,000,000, who is most likely the "elitist". It's rarely the soundbite that we should focus on, no matter what the media tells us, it's the whole picture, the big picture, and a good look at Obama's big picture says it all, we'll be a really lucky nation if we can get this man through this gauntlet of nonsense and into the white house where he can begin undoing all the damage and start healing this great country.

Posted by: Doug from Maine | April 14, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Pay attention people. Hillary tells lies and cannot be trusted. Obama speaks truth to power and this is what is needed to extricate the country from the morass that has been unwillingly and unwittingly imposed on us over two Clinton terms and two Bush terms. People are suffering and if we don't do something to help, there will be hell to pay.

Posted by: masonicboom | April 14, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

This is the biggest crock of #### I've ever seen, I can hardly stand it...


HRC get's away with blatantly lying about what she claimed qualified her on international affairs (Bosnia, Ireland, yada yada)... There's even video of her actual time in Bosnia. And she's laughs it off and is done.

But Obama uses the word "bitter" - and rightfully so should anyone look at the context - and the world comes to an end.

I just don't get it. It's absurd, and meanwhile, McMoron is gaining on both of them in general election polls. What a selfish and moronic [person] that women is.

Posted by: jencm | April 14, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

LOL @ Hillary. What a pollyanna.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Pennsylvania voters, or any American voters should ask themselves.."when is the last time Hillary pulled up and bought a tank of gas?...35 years? If I'm paying off my "student loan", I'm not ELITE !!!

Posted by: judy | April 14, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Luckily, only American citizens over the age of 18 can legally vote in November ...

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Londoner | April 14, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

The steelworkers are like sheep they follow the leader. Do they really think he cares about them?

Posted by: roncraw | April 14, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Trey:

They probably laughed or just nodded in agreement ...

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Too bad Obama's wealthy elite didn't yell "NO" when Obama started demeaning the working people of America

Posted by: Trey | April 14, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

julieds:

Do you honestly think the hecklers were HER supporters?!

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Maybe voters aren't as stupid as Hillary thinks they are, and are able to interpret someone else's comments, without Hillary telling them what to hear.

Hillary has nothing but disdain for American voters.

Posted by: julieds | April 14, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Fake "JakeD"

You are "kind of enough"? Even I can agree with that ; )

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, the hecklers were on the payroll of the Obama campaign. Just one of the perks of outspending your opponent 5 to 1, I guess. It seems an enterprising news reporter ought to get to the bottom of that.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I'm kind of enough to start every post with Barack HUSSEIN Obama, so you know right off the bat there's no value to anything I say.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I must say, given my experience with Sen Obama's supporters in this venue, I'm not at all surprised by their boorish behavior in this report.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

"No" seems pretty clear, just like Obama's support from the Internet, for one example;

Pennsylvania Primary- Hillary vs. Barack:
http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=57

Posted by: Dave | April 14, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

How can Barack HUSSEIN Obama supporters not be disappointed when "The One" has even conceded he misspoke?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

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