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Clinton Steps Away from Husband's Position on Trade

By Anne E. Kornblut
PITTSBURGH, Pa. -- In the wake of reports that both her husband and former chief strategist support expanded trade relations with Colombia, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said again on Wednesday that she opposes the pending free trade agreement -- and that there is no conflict within her campaign on the subject.

Many couples disagree on issues, she said. And, Clinton said, "this is a great debate."

"There are two sides to this debate; it is not 100 to zero," she said. "I believe the weight of the evidence clearly, in my view, supports my decision not to support the Colombia Free Trade Agreement." But she said that "very credible people who care deeply about this country" have a legitimate claim to the other viewpoint.

Clinton has come under fire recently for a meeting that Mark J. Penn held with the Colombian ambassador to the United States, whom he represented in his outside public relations firm. The Colombian government is pressing for the new trade deal, which President Bush has sent to Congress for a vote. Both Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama intend to vote against the deal. Both are vying for support in Pennsylvania, Indiana and North Carolina, all states with upcoming primary contests -- and places where the largest previous trade agreement, the North American Free Trade Agreement, is blamed for job losses.

Obama used NAFTA to his advantage in the Wisconsin primary, arguing in part that former president Clinton had implemented the arrangement; Clinton snatched the issue away from him in Ohio, when news broke that his economic adviser, Austan Goolsbee, had privately assured Canadian officials that Obama would not be as tough on trade as he promised on the campaign trail.

Now, the trade matter is back in Obama's terrain, and he is pushing hard to use it against Clinton in Pennsylvania, in particular.

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Caronte ,

It's the American Dream earning lots of money even if you're fooling around with you're voters.
And are you a leader than. No you're a legal thief of the American taxpayers
It's time for the leaders off the Democratic Party to wrap this up .
I'll bet if this is done the Clintons will switch party soon. Because McCain's policy will be better to protect the millions they earned , thanks to the American taxpayers.

Caronte get a life.

Posted by: Harry | April 11, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

All the HRC backers , or you're so stupid or you're have a problem with Obama's race.
And i think is the last opion. Having a president that's a bit to dark is to much for you.
It's so deep in you guys that you even walk over to McCain.I am white but this actually smells more like racism than common sense.One thing the black people have more than us whites. They do have more common sense.

A once Hilary fan , but now i feel ashamed about it.
SO GO OBAMA and don't be ashamed to give her K.O blow, although its a woman.

harry

Posted by: Harry | April 11, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Right....and I think she should take the 2 MILLION dollars her husband made from COLUMBIA and donate it to charity..oh one THEY don't own like the one they have donated to for the last 7 years where they have KEPT over half of it!
She may not support it guys? But it darn sure SUPPORTS HER.

Posted by: Deanna | April 10, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "What was Hillary's position on NAFTA when Bill was pushing it during his Presidency?
Did she back Bill then on NAFTA?"

Well, she says now that she was against it, but records show that she was attending pro-NAFTA meetings designed to approve the treaty in congress.

Hillary, mis-speaking again??

Posted by: Anonymous | April 10, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Quote: STAT OF THE DAY:

Voters in Pennsylvania rarely elect black and female candidates. The state currently has only one black and one woman in its 21-member congressional delegation and has never had a black or female governor."

Well, they have an interesting decision to make now. What do they do now?? None of the above??

Posted by: wly34 | April 10, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

What was Hillary's position on NAFTA when Bill was pushing it during his Presidency?
Did she back Bill then on NAFTA?

Posted by: satchnthesaint | April 10, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

I really wish that the Oprah News Network, AKA CBS, never ran the Bosnia story in an obvious, stealth-swifboat attack against Hillary. What that did was say to people, "forget about Reverend Wright and just vote for Obama, it doesn't matter that he has racist ties and that he sympathizes with Anti-American sentiment, its okay. Its also okay that he would like to sit down with the fascist dictators of Iran and North Korea, just vote for him. Show us that you aren't racist and then you can feel good about yourself?"

I don't get it.

Posted by: Chris | April 10, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

Can I just say that the "svreader" exchange earlier was hilarious? Couldn't happen to a nicer poster.

Seriously, "double stuffed oreo"? Why don't you just use the n-word?

As for the Hillary Clinton/Al Gore analogy, it's fair in that she has all his lack of charm on television, but not fair in the sense that he had (and has) a real record of vision and competence that positively dwarfs hers. The fact that she isn't particularly telegenic doesn't mean she's secretly smart; it's just another indication of the fact that she's only where she is in this race because of her last name.

Posted by: davestickler | April 9, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

I believe Hillary Cllinton is not being honest about Columbia. her husband supports it. Her chief strategist supports it. Her spokesperson lobbied for it. Her chief political advisor lobbied to get it passed. Are we to believe that Hillary truly opposes it? I just can't summon up enough naivete' to swallow that.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

the fact is that the rabbits ran away one more time!

Posted by: Caronte | April 9, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I don't care if they understand what this means!

Posted by: Caronte | April 9, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Well, once again the result is: NOLO CONTENDERE!

translated for Obamites to NO CONTEST!

Posted by: Caronte | April 9, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

While I seldom support President Bush's policies, at least he has discernible, strong principles and does not flip flop on certain issues, based upon changing polls, as Senator Clinton often does. He deserves some respect for this, even when most Americans disagree with him.

John McCain has more integrity than her, which is one of the main reasons why many independents like him. The ways in which the Clinton campaign has been mismanaged, as others have observed, does not offer promise of sound leadership. Were the presidential election the Olympics, Barack would deserve the gold medal, Ralph Nader the silver and John McCain the bronze.

Posted by: Koreen | April 9, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I will say something nice about Obama: he is a smart young politician!

Let him grow up and mature before transforming a potential good wine into vinegar!

Posted by: Caronte | April 9, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I wrote the last post!

Posted by: Caronte | April 9, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

wly34,

You've got to be kidding! Are you really impressed with this curricula?

'...The trip focused on strategies to control the world's supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a first defense against potential terrorist attacks' LOL. Either he is naive or he is a complete idiot!

'... meetings with U.S. military in Kuwait and Iraq' sure broadens his international experience, which is none!

'... a meeting with Palestinian students' will make him an expert on Palestinian matters.

'In a nationally televised speech at the University of Nairobi, he spoke', the only thing he does.

If this is enough experience to become a World Leader, we have lowered our standards to unexpected limits!

Don't insult us and apologize, if you are big enough!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "Keep on dreaming that the Wanabee Healer will pour free money for everybody and remove evil from politics!

At the end, they will not be simple 'words' they will be 'flat lies'"

Please furnish the proof of these statements also. They are neither "words or flat lies" because Obama hasn't said them.

Spew on, but I will be doing the SOB on your posts. That's "Scroll On By".

Try saying something positive and constructive once in awhile.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama2008 --

When you get a chance, why don't you look at the editorial in this morning's Wall Street Journal.

You'll find that my concerns are echoed by many other people.

The problem is timing.

The question is whether people will wake up in time to avoid nominating a sure loser, because that what Obama is.

My gut feeling is that Obama's handlers are betting that people will vote for the Democrat no matter what.

We thought that in 2004 and were wrong then and we'll be wrong again.

Party loyalty is less important to most Americans than the leaders of the Democratic Party think.

Hillary will win by a landslide if we nominate her because McCain will be running against both her and Bill Clinton, not to mention whoever she chooses as VP.

If Obama's the candidate, McCain will win by a landslide.

Obama supporters put far too much emphasis on youth and not nearly enough on experience.

Like Obama, they think they know much more than they do.

The majority of Americans will choose the candidate that they feel will do the best job as President.

That is more important to most people than which party the candidate comes from.

Obama can't stand up to scrutiny.

His performance in both Chicago and in the Senate was quite poor.

Once the novelty wears off, people will decide they'd rather go with a choice they can feel safe with.

People will not want to trust the most powerfull job in the world to someone with as little experience as Barry Obama.

That will be even more true when they find out exactly how little experience he has, and how poor a job he's actually done in the past.

Hopefully Hillary will win in Penn and go on to become our candidate.

If she does, Democrats will win by a landslide.

The situation with her is the opposite to that with Obama.

She's much better than the press has painted her and the more people see of the real Hillary the more they'll want her as President!

Posted by: svreader | April 9, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "caronte, here's one for you. Read it and then apologize, if you are big enough""

I didn't think that you were.

Spew on, caronte. Like svreader, you can't stand the facts.

Posted by: wly34 | April 9, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

svreader:

I absolutely admire your enthusiasm for Hillary, at least it's not McCain (with respect to McCain-just not some of his ideals). I conclude, and Obama has mentioned this repeatedly because I've witnessed it, that he is not perfect perfect. He has repeatedly stated that he is not a perfect man, and that his wife reminds him of that as well. He acknowledges that everything on the list to change will not change with one candidate, but it will require work and time. He is truthful. However, he has the right list, and he is in the right direction in my opinion. It is some of the opposers of him, not all, whom give him all of these "prophet" and "Messiah" labels. That is disrespectful. I also conclude that Hillary isn't perfect either.

I also conclude that Obama is as qualified for presidency as Hillary is. He is qualified, competent, educated, wise, and optimistic. I like how he faces everyone even when the odds are against him; but everyone is important. Everyone shall get to experience him. He gives people that option.

Svreader: My question to you is, can you at the least look at both candidates. You only post what you see imperfect with Obama, but you ignore all of the former posts of imperfections of your preferred candidate. I expect to have a human president (hopefully Obama but if not, definitely Hillary).

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 9, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Well Obamites, enjoy it while you can!

Keep on dreaming that the Wanabee Healer will pour free money for everybody and remove evil from politics!

At the end, they will not be simple 'words' they will be 'flat lies'

Would you let this moron take your children to church? Think about it before answering, after all, they are your children!

Posted by: Caronte | April 9, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

caronte, here's one for you. Read it and then apologize, if you are big enough:

Quote: "As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In August 2005, he traveled to Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan. The trip focused on strategies to control the world's supply of conventional weapons, biological weapons, and weapons of mass destruction as a first defense against potential terrorist attacks.[79] Following meetings with U.S. military in Kuwait and Iraq in January 2006, Obama visited Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian territories. At a meeting with Palestinian students two weeks before Hamas won the legislative election, Obama warned that "the U.S. will never recognize winning Hamas candidates unless the group renounces its fundamental mission to eliminate Israel."[80] He left for his third official trip in August 2006, traveling to South Africa, Kenya, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Chad. In a nationally televised speech at the University of Nairobi, he spoke forcefully on the influence of ethnic rivalries and corruption in Kenya.[81] In December 2006, President Bush signed into law the "Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act," marking the first federal legislation to be enacted with Obama as its primary sponsor."

Posted by: wly34 | April 9, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama2008 --

I've done a lot of research into what Obama has actually done over the years, and spoken with people who have worked with both candidates, and have come to the conclusion that the real Obama isn't anything like his carefully crafted public image, and would be a really bad President.

Axelrod is doing a fantastic job selling a false image of Obama to the American public.

More likely than not, these months have been a total waste of my time.

Its hard to get people to open up their minds to the possibility that they've been sold a bill of goods, but just as was the case with Bush and with the Iraq war, that's what's happened here.

Axelrod doesn't need any help selling Obama.

I don't work for any campaign or political organization and am not paid by anyone for doing this.

I do it because I am truly angered that someone as bad a Barry Obama has been packaged up as a saint and that the public has swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

The saddest thing of all is that the truth about Obama may not reach enough people in time to save the Democratic party from making the mistake of nominating him.

If we do that, we lose.

I often wonder what life would have been like if Gore had been allowed to take office.

Hillary is very much like Gore, and Ohama like Bush.

Hillary really knows her stuff.

Obama is a manufactured creation, very much like Bush was.

I don't want to see us make the same mistake we made in 2000 again.

The problem is that most people aren't interested in making the best possible decision.

They just want their "team" to win.

This is far too important a decision to make on that basis.

I hope people wake up in time.

If not, we'll wind up with McCain.

Republicans will do a very good job showing America what kind of guy Barry Obama really is.

At that point, it will be too late for Democrats to change to a different candidate.

It will be our one fault for not doing our homework beforehand.

That's the way life works.

That's also why Democrats lose Presidential elections so frequently.

We really can't afford to lose this one.

Hillary Clinton would be a great President, just like Al Gore would have been.

I hope we get that chance.

Posted by: svreader | April 9, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

wly34,

Stop daydreaming!

Posted by: Caronte | April 9, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

The Oxymoron Candidate only visits airport VIP lounges and ballrooms!

Posted by: Caronte | April 9, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Quote: "I bet Republicans will jump in to vote for Clinton in Pennsylvania as well, because she will beat the Obscure Candidate by a double digit margin!"

caronte, better be careful. The last time I heard a statement like that was on another political blog. He said, "if Bush wins again, I will shoot myself" Guess he did, because Bush did and the poster was never heard from again. And I'm no fan of Bush.

Posted by: wly34 | April 9, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

wly34,

probably you don't but your Prophet does!

Posted by: Caronte | April 9, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

blert,

I bet Republicans will jump in to vote for Clinton in Pennsylvania as well, because she will beat the Obscure Candidate by a double digit margin!

Posted by: Caronte | April 9, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

caronte. Another mis-speak from the Clinton side? Your slip is showing. There are also links to the trips of Obama. Look them up if you know how. Unlike Hillary, I don't lie.

Posted by: wly34 | April 9, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

You people need to stop propping up John McCain. Acting like he's going to wipe the floor with Obama. The American people are sick and tired of the old fear politics. constant wars are going to bankrupt this country. Americans are not going to let that happen. John McCain is going to loose this election. He doesn't stand a chance. To all you racists out there who don't want to see a black man in the White House get over it. Young people are going to propel Obama right into the Presidency. You old, white racists need to get a grip and quit dreaming. You are done. Hello President Obama. Man, I laugh at you silly bigots.

Posted by: E. L. | April 9, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

'...He also made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa' ... wow!

Obama's international experience is simple: two trips to Cancun and a trip to Kenya to attend a Halloween party!

There are pictures to prove it!

Posted by: Caronte | April 9, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

jacksmith,

Actually, since about the time of Wisconsin, and certainly in Texas and Ohio, Republicans were jumping in to vote for Clinton in hopes of extending the process and because Obama was looking so strong. Yes, some Republicans have crossed over to vote for Obama, too, but this tends to be more because they like his message, whereas the many recent Republican votes for Clinton are merely sabotage...and a recognition that Clinton might actually be the most conservative candidate still left in the presidential race.

Posted by: blert | April 9, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

If I may come out of the "serious" form today, I have to say that some of these recent posts are hillarious. Specifically speaking in regards to svreader, sharing the name tag and such. I couldn't help laughing while trying to simply read posts with a serious face, and take various opinions into consideration. That is of course, opinions worth reading (well thought, not just a bunch of insults).

Svreader (not at all meant as an insult to you on my behalf, but some of your posts truly are disrespectful and completely single sided). Other than that, you'll have my respect none less.

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 9, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton lies and takes money in both hands from any source that gets her to the White House.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I think James left out the entire explanation and history of the idea of black liberation theology. Please do not get me mistaken, I have my own personal ideals. However, I do seek more information beyond the surface which the media only shows. I'm not that ignorant, not that gullable. I am able to attempt to be fair in judgment, and judge with REASON, and will look for supporting evidence. There is no doubt that Wright sees this country with an imperfect lens, but (and I'm not defending him because I disagree with some things myself) I don't think he is as bad as he has been portrayed. I would definitely question Wright. As for the entire church, there's more to it than people whom have no understanding or experience with it (including myself) would naturally understand. However, having taken SOCIOLOGY (and I can tell Obama has taken it too based on some points tied with his experiences and views-I understood what he was saying), I got more of an understanding of how people form their communities of support in the midst of an imperfect place.

James, please enroll yourself into Sociology if you haven't already. Also, post the entire site. I have a credible source ready, written by a person whom is non-racist or "black." I think the author has also had sociology. Read it beginning to end. This is not at all an insult. This is a post of encouragement. We should always seek understanding and knowledge, and we can actually learn from other people. What we learn about others, can help in learning more about our own selves. I encourage you to take Sociology.

http://www.wfu.edu/~matthetl/perspectives/twentyseven.html

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 9, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

svreader, that is the same thing that you were saying the other day. Who would want to use your ID with the strange posts that you make.

Posted by: wly34 | April 9, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Quote" "Obama isn't going to save anyone from anything. He is completely unqualified to be president. He claims to be different but he isn't."

Actually, Tobias, Obama has more experience than Hillary Clinton. She served as first lady of Arkansas and the U.S. and was elected to the senate in 2000.

He served as a trial lawyer, served in the Illinois state senate from 1997 to 2004. He was elected as US Senator from Illinois with 70% of the vote and he delivered the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic National Convention. As a member of the Democratic minority in the 109th Congress, he cosponsored bipartisan legislation for controlling conventional weapons and for promoting greater public accountability in the use of federal funds. He also made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, and Africa. In the current 110th Congress, he has sponsored legislation on lobbying and electoral fraud, climate change, nuclear terrorism, and care for returned U.S. military personnel.

So much for Hillary's "35 years of experience" which would put her in the year she graduated from law school.

Posted by: wly34 | April 9, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

svreader, you are on a tear tonight. Tell the truth: why is Hillary Clinton trying to have it both ways on the CFTA with her husband and top pollster collecting money for their advocacy and in public Hillary says she is against the agreement? Can you answer that one question?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

jacksmith concludes, "And I could go on, and on..." You have certainly proven THAT point, anyway. Take a break!

Posted by: tom | April 9, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

"He claims to be different but he isn't. He is a liar and a hypocrite...." No different, Tobias? You saying he's just like Hillary?

Posted by: tom | April 9, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

The 7:16pm was not created by me, but by a Hillary supporter who forged my signature. He also used racist slurs under other IDs today, including referring to the honorable Sen. Obama as a "double-stuffed oreo."

Washington Post rules state that such posts will be removed.

I respectfully request that you do so.

Posted by: svreader | April 9, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey james,

You should just stop making conclusions. You're not very good at it.

Posted by: UncleRemus | April 9, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

The 7:06pm was not created by me, but by an Obama supporter who forged my signature.

Washington Post rules state that such posts will be removed.

I respectfully request that you do so.

Posted by: svreader | April 9, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters can't dispute the facts that other people post, so they attack the people that post those facts.

They love to forge other people's signatures, in direct violation of Washington Post rules.

They show us what kind of people are attracted to the Obama campaign, and the Stalinist mindset they would bring to our country.

There are many good reasons to vote against Barack Obama.

The kind of supporters he attracts, and the lengths they gleefully stoop to to try to win at any cost are one of the strongest reasons never to vote for Barry Obama for anything.

They act like thugs.


Posted by: svreader | April 9, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

I, "svreader," hereby recant every filthy and dishonest slur I've uttered about Sen. Barack Obama over these past few months. I realize now how wrong I've been to slander this fine and upstanding man, and I now heartily endorse him to be the Democratic nominee. I further urge Sen. Hillary Clinton (who I no longer have an irrational and unrequited crush on) to leave the race before she does even more damage to the Democratic Party and its inevitable nominee, Sen. Obama. Hillary, I finally understand that my secret desires were unnatural and unhealthy, and in the interests of our great country I renounce both them and you. Please, please go now.

________

Note: Since the real svreader is too cowardly to use his regular ID anymore (he's used at least six new made-up names today), I guess he won't mind if I take his old one and try and rehabilitate it. Maybe it's not too late to have "him" do some good for a change. :-) -- wmr

Posted by: svreader | April 9, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

A VERY GOOD ARTICLE FROM FACTCHECK.ORG ABOUT THE RACIST THEOLOGY OF OBAMA''S CHURCH:
The "theology" that Wright teaches at his church is nothing like Christianity as most people understand it. The brand of theology which Wright has been teaching Obama and the others at his church is called "black liberation theology." Wright admits this and it is stated on the church's website. Black theology is based upon the premise of the white oppressor against the black oppressed. This is why, for example, that Wright refers to Jesus as black, and his killers as white. This is the only way the story of Jesus fits within this brand of "theology." Rev. Wright cites James Cone, another proponent of black liberation theology, as his theological inspiration. Here are just a couple of James Cone's quotes: (1) "To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people." (2) "While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism." (3) "All white men are responsible for white oppression." (4) "Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil." (5) "If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it." (6) "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community ... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love." *** These statements, and this "theology," are fundamentally racist and divisive. The fact that Obama has chosen to belong to this racist church for 20 years speaks volumes about his character and judgment, and flies in the face of his pronouncements about his ability and intent to "unite" this country.

Posted by: james | April 9, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Yep, another conflict of interest - she is attracted to them like a moth to a flame. She's a total shyster.

Posted by: all conflicts, all the time | April 9, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

svreader, you just called Obama a "double stuffed Oreo".

Wow.

Posted by: davestickler | April 9, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has known about Bill being on the Colombian payroll to the tune of $800,000. She has known about both spokesmen Penn and Wolfson being on the Colombian payroll for nearly a year.

She tries to "distance herself" now??? Only after the secret double-dealings became public??? Gimme a break.

Posted by: Earl from Illinois | April 9, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton and George W Bush are right about one issue, that free trade is good for both the United States, as well as other countries. Hillary and Barack are both on the wrong side in opposing free trade. One of Bill Clinton's most positive legacies as president was his success in promoting freer trade in the world.

Given Hillary's history of flip-flops though, is she really for or against free trade agreements? She is the least trustworthy of the three presidential contenders. John McCain at least is usually true to his principles, even when wrong on issues such as health care, Iraq and taxes.

This leaves Barack, who although he is far from perfect, still maintains the best balance of integrity, vision and reasonably progressive positions on most issues.

Posted by: Koreen | April 9, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Once again -- Larry Sinclair failed his polygraph test.

It's on the Internet.

Posted by: gbooksdc | April 9, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama Supporters --

How can anyone support Barry Obama when he let the poorest of the poor who elected him in Chicago freeze in slums in his district his friend and campaign contributor Rezok got $100M to repair or replace?

Obama knew, but did nothing.

That says everything.

Before you send any more of your, or your parent's, hard earned money to Barry Obama --

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from NBC news, Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

How do you explain away the fact that Barry Obama never followed up on the 11 slums that his friend Rezko was supposed to repair in Obama's district in Chicago, and continued to do nothing about the 40 slums that Rezko was supposed to repair or replace in Chicago, even after Obama joined the US Senate?

From the Chicago Sun Times:

For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago's South Side.

It was just four years after the landlords -- Antoin "Tony'' Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru -- had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.

Rezko and Mahru couldn't find money to get the heat back on.

But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building....

The building in Englewood was one of 30 Rezmar rehabbed in a series of troubled deals largely financed by taxpayers. Every project ran into financial difficulty. More than half went into foreclosure, a Chicago Sun-Times investigation has found.

"Their buildings were falling apart,'' said a former city official. "They just didn't pay attention to the condition of these buildings.''

Eleven of Rezko's buildings were in Obama's state Senate district....

Rezko and Mahru had no construction experience when they created Rezmar in 1989 to rehabilitate apartments for the poor under the Daley administration. Between 1989 and 1998, Rezmar made deals to rehab 30 buildings, a total of 1,025 apartments. The last 15 buildings involved Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland during Obama's time with the firm.

Rezko and Mahru also managed the buildings, which were supposed to provide homes for poor people for 30 years. Every one of the projects ran into trouble:

* Seventeen buildings -- many beset with code violations, including a lack of heat -- ended up in foreclosure.

* Six buildings are currently boarded up.

* Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.

* Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.

Posted by: Try Reading Some Reality Instead | April 9, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Regarding CLINTON BODY COUNT
are you aware that most people don't read more than 2-3 lines of whatever drivel you post in an effort to make a point??

Posted by: ogdeeds
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I suggest you google "The Clinton Chronicles" free video. Get yourself a soft drink/beer and some popcorn and enjoy!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

American Postal Workers Union announces its executive board voted to jump on the Land of Lincolner bandwagon Wednesday.
Union president William Burrus: "We are most impressed by Sen. Obama's commitment to eradicating the undue influence of special interests in the political process..."


Grip..Grippp....Gripppp Hillary Gripppppp

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

The dawn of Eve? Heck - both Eve and Adam listened to the serpent and got a whole of trouble for their foolishness.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Referencing the list of Clinton Associations who met their untimely deaths. Please google, "The Clinton Chronicles" free audio. You'll be amazed!! And can perhaps explain why the Clintons are the way they are. I challenge every Clintonista to view this audio.

Posted by: NinaK | April 9, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Rise Hillary Rise,

The steamy piles in the latrine

The piles need limestone!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

svreader is using other aliases to spew his pro-clinton poison.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Men betray. Men kill. Men commit genocide. We need women to rule the world, to bring peace, to bring serenity. Rise Hillary Rise!
This the dawn of a new age... the Dawn of Eve.
Hillary '08

Posted by: Sisters for Hillary | April 9, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

DON'T BE DUPED !!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. And because they feel that a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket would be unbeatable. And also because with a Clinton and Obama ticket you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. "Carpe diem" (harvest the day).

I think Hillary Clinton see's a beautiful world of plenty for all. She is a woman, and a mother. And it's time America. Do this for your-selves, and your children's future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don't want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama's. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! OUT GUNNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON'T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. I suggest a Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama ticket. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

I think Barack Obama has a once in a life time chance to make the ultimate historic gesture for unity, and change in America by accepting Hillary Clinton's offer as running mate. Such an act now would for ever seal Barack Obama's place at the top of the list of Americas all time great leaders, and unifiers for all of history.

The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton's have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton's. Only the Clinton's are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

"This is not a game" (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Rise Hillary Rise,

The steamy piles in the latrine.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT:-)

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

You Might Be An Idiot!

If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)

Best regards

jacksmith...

p.s. You Might Be An Idiot!

If you don't know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering...

You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. Naughty Girl. :-)

Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don't die from. And I could go on, and on...

Posted by: jacksmith | April 9, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

"Sisters" like Hillary hire men to doing the dirty of of enslaving, raping and murdering to keep their hands (but not their souls) clean of wrong-doing.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

og --

Its clear that Obama supporters don't read.

They don't want reality to ruin their "high"

The more posts I see from Obama supporters.

The better I like the idea of bringing back the draft.

Posted by: Obama supporters don't' read | April 9, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I am voting for Obama so I don't get drafted to defend Columbian narco-terrorists in the name of trade agreement that send jobs away from the United States.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

stephen k.....you might try going back to school to learn how to spell and construct a coherent sentence. THEN, try making your point.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Men murder, men enslave, men rape. It's time for a woman. Rise Hillary!
Hillary '08

Posted by: Sisters for Hillary | April 9, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Regarding CLINTON BODY COUNT
are you aware that most people don't read more than 2-3 lines of whatever drivel you post in an effort to make a point??

Posted by: ogdeeds | April 9, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

LIAR!

hillary LIES and says whatever is expedient in the moment.

Last night I actually heard her say on NPR that delgates we appoint via our votes can apply their vote to the losing candidate thwarting our will as voters, and that the "problem" with that is we don't "understand the process"!?!

..We, the voters, don't understand the democratic process??? Perhaps we aren't able to recite arcane party rules. However, we know that when we vote for a candidate the delgate DAMN WELL BETTER cast their vote in accordance with their pledge to the leading vote winner, and our decision as the electorate.

Hillary wants the pledged delegates we awarded with the right to represent our votes in the primary to STEAL our vote, and VIOLATE our trust - and give them over to her campaign.

SHE SAID IT ON NPR!

Only a scumbag DC lawyer would think we would passively go along with her argument that party rules make it OK for a pledged delegate to thwart the will of the electorate, and choose the opposing candidate.

John Yoo - the "torture memo" DC lawyer thinks and acts like that!

PROOF hillary is unfit for the oval office!

Posted by: JBE | April 9, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama Supporters --

Thanks for destroying the Democratic Party.

You've ruined our best chance in years.

We'd like to especially thank you for throwing Senator Clinton, President Clinton, and even Chelsea "under the bus"

You've shown real loyalty to the Democratic Party by doing that.

You've done a great job blocking the votes of Florida and Michigan.

Thanks for that great effort too.

If Obama gets the nomination, you'll have finished the job, and McCain will be the next President.

Like Barry Obama, you're sure you already know everything.

So why should we bother to keep paying to send you to school?

I hope he drafts each and every one of you and ships you right out to the front lines in Iraq.

Posted by: ThanksForDestroyingOurPartyKids | April 9, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA!! OBAMA!! OBAMA!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Euphemistically, the "Sisters for Hillary" and other extreme elements want Hillary because she is a "sister". Never mind Hillary talks out of both sides of her mouth with no principles.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters --

Bush ran a great campaign?

How good a President has he been?

Obama's a world class con-man.

He'd be a lousy President.

If he gets the nomination, say hello to President McCain.

And say goodbye to mainstream Democrats.

Posted by: BushRanAGreatCampaign | April 9, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

There they go again..... to make her look tough,Bill lets her wag his tail. Reminds me of the cheating husband who gets caught and if the wife doesn''t leave him, he is forever in the dog house. Obviously if she disagrees with him now....surely she disagreed with him when he passed NAFTA. That is total bull. I have seen at least 3 videos where she is supporting NAFTA. Now she is losing because Obama is outspending her. He has the money. Regular people have given to his campaign. Look at Hillary..... she has to get money from Elton John. By the way foreign nationals are forbidden to give money to a campaign either directly or indirectly..... So Hillary is breaking the law... Does she care ? probably not.

Posted by: Ron | April 9, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Why in the world would anyone defend the Clintons in all their lies, secrets, mismanagement, scandal and funny money? Pathetic.

Posted by: Matt | April 9, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Senator Clinton can't even manage her own campaign or household (see Bill stray like a dog in heat); forget about her managing the seat of power in the free world!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Men are vile pigs!
Hillary '08!

Posted by: Sisters for Hillary | April 9, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

It's sad, this is the best she can offer at the 11th hour. She's super smart, but she can't lead or manage. It's just that simple.

Posted by: Warren | April 9, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Why Do Blacks Support A Man Who Used Them? sounds like none other that professional shrill svreader, the proported Ph.D./CEO/Silicon Valley mogul. Line of discussion seems like the tired and vapid line of thought with no logical train of thought and weak analysis.

The bottom line is that Hillary Clinton is caught between two grifters (one she married and other she hired) in the whole Columbia trade agreement for profit (Bill at $800K and Penn for $300K). Fine display of good judgment Senator Clinton has shown. Just like the Bosnia story, the Northern Ireland peace accords, the deceased and uninsured pregnant woman in Ohio and her other claims to "experience", Hillary's story on the Columbia free trade agreement has more holes than a block of Swiss cheese.

Posted by: madmax | April 9, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

>>>Barry Obama's stock and trade is empty words.

True. And with the media continuing to conceal damaging info about their media created rock$tar - better to go with a KNOWN, warts and all, rather than an UNKNOWN.

Go Hillary!

Obama and Wright are wrong for America!

Posted by: Frank, NC | April 9, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama rewarded for LYING about his own father!!

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/30/13655/6958

More proof - Obama will say and do anything to advance himself.

Posted by: Margaret, PA | April 9, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

WaPo - only media to report Obama LYING about his father's connection to the Kennedy family in order to obtain the Kennedy endorsement!!

Obama was rewarded for LYING!

Our media's silence emulates communist Chinese media.

Obama is a hypocrite! He voted for the Peru and Oman free trade agreements.

David Sirota on Obama's Oman vote -
http://blog.pdamerica.org/?p=722

>>>>....Obama. What can I say? He told me in my interview with him that he was serious about demanding stronger labor, environmental and human rights protections in trade deals. But in his speech that attempted to justify his vote, he simply said that "I have been informed by the State Department that Oman has been a valuable partner for the United States." Put another way, he's telling us because the Bush political hacks at the State Department ignored that agency's own damning reports about Oman's record and told him to vote for the pact, he did. Sad.

Posted by: Margaret | April 9, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Why do Blacks support Barry Obama when he's made his money and his career out of screwing them?

Why don't they care that he let people of all colors freeze in slums in his district that Rezko got $100M to repair or replace?

Why should they support a man who doesn't care one bit about them?

Why should anybody?

Barry Obama is nothing but a high-class hustler.

Obama talks "real pretty"

His actions are really ugly.

Look at what he does, not what he says.

Barry Obama's stock and trade is empty words.

Barry's the biggest hustler in Chicago history.

Don't let him hustle you.


Posted by: Why Do Blacks Support A Man Who Used Them? | April 9, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Clintion's supporters blamed Sen. Obama for words that were spoken by Rev. Wright, saying he should have distance himself from Rev. Wright. Does the same rules apply to Sen. Clinton to distance herself from Bill because he supports the CFTA? Should she be blame for what her husband doing? YES!

Posted by: Lee, Georgia | April 9, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

April 22nd... will have the same clot and/or "emphases" as JULY 4th... It will be Independence DAY...

Very Ironic that it will happen during the PA Elections...

OBAMA '08

Posted by: puddlescited | April 9, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Anne E. Kornblut,

You might want to edit your article for accuracy. All parties concerned stated that Goolsbee's NAFTA discussion with Canadian representatives was entirely consistent with Obama's public statements on trade. The part about posturing was not his words, and reflected excessive interpretation on the part of an analyst. In fact, the only direct quotes from Goolsbee's discussion are essentially identical to Obama's public statements. The Canadian government even formally apologized for their unintentional part in the resulting misrepresentation.

Posted by: Justin
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Justin, the Canadian leaders also said it was a Clinton campaign team member who CALLED their office and told them not to worry about NAFTA, and that Hillary was ONLY opposing NAFTA for political reasons. Guess the Clintons have forgotten about THEIR story about Senator Obama and NAFTA was completely and categorically debunked---Hillary and her campaign are still talking about it. Yet another big lie from Hillary and her camp. Absolutely shameless!

Posted by: NinaK | April 9, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's Nasty Pastorate
Posted March 19, 2008 | 01:11 PM (EST)


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There's a reason why Hillary Clinton has remained relatively silent during the flap over intemperate remarks by Barack Obama's former pastor, Jeremiah Wright. When it comes to unsavory religious affiliations, she's a lot more vulnerable than Obama.

You can find all about it in a widely under-read article in the September 2007 issue of Mother Jones, in which Kathryn Joyce and Jeff Sharlet reported that "through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the "Fellowship," aka The Family. But it won't be a secret much longer. Jeff Sharlet's shocking exposé, The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power will be published in MAY 2008


Sean Hannity has called Obama's church a "cult," but that term applies far more aptly to Clinton's "Family," which is organized into "cells" -- their term -- and operates sex-segregated group homes for young people in northern Virginia. In 2002, writer Jeff Sharlet joined the Family's home for young men, foreswearing sex, drugs, and alcohol, and participating in endless discussions of Jesus and power. He wasn't undercover; he used his own name and admitted to being a writer. But he wasn't completely out of danger either. When he went outdoors one night to make a cell phone call, he was followed. He still gets calls from Family associates asking him to meet them in diners -- alone.
The Family's most visible activity is its blandly innocuous National Prayer Breakfast, held every February in Washington. But almost all its real work goes on behind the scenes -- knitting together international networks of rightwing leaders, most of them ostensibly Christian. In the 1940s, The Family reached out to former and not-so-former Nazis, and its fascination with that exemplary leader, Adolph Hitler, has continued, along with ties to a whole bestiary of murderous thugs. As Sharlet reported in Harper's in 2003:


During the 1960s the Family forged relationships between the U.S. government and some of the most anti-Communist (and dictatorial) elements within Africa's postcolonial leadership. The Brazilian dictator General Costa e Silva, with Family support, was overseeing regular fellowship groups for Latin American leaders, while, in Indonesia, General Suharto (whose tally of several hundred thousand "Communists" killed marks him as one of the century's most murderous dictators) was presiding over a group of fifty Indonesian legislators. During the Reagan Administration the Family helped build friendships between the U.S. government and men such as Salvadoran general Carlos Eugenios Vides Casanova, convicted by a Florida jury of the torture of thousands, and Honduran general Gustavo Alvarez Martinez, himself an evangelical minister, who was linked to both the CIA and death squads before his own demise.


At the heart of the Family's American branch is a collection of powerful rightwing politicos, who include, or have included, Sam Brownback, Ed Meese, John Ashcroft, James Inhofe, and Rick Santorum. They get to use the Family's spacious estate on the Potomac, the Cedars, which is maintained by young men in Family group homes and where meals are served by the Family's young women's group. And, at the Family's frequent prayer gatherings, they get powerful jolts of spiritual refreshment, tailored to the already-powerful.

Clinton fell in with the Family in 1993, when she joined a Bible study group composed of wives of conservative leaders like Jack Kemp and James Baker. When she ascended to the senate, she was promoted to what Sharlet calls the Family's "most elite cell," the weekly Senate Prayer Breakfast, which included, until his downfall, Virginia's notoriously racist Senator George Allen. This has not been a casual connection for Clinton. She has written of Doug Coe, the Family's publicity-averse leader, that he is "a unique presence in Washington: a genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide to anyone, regardless of party or faith, who wants to deepen his or her relationship with God."

Furthermore, the Family takes credit for some of Clinton's rightward legislative tendencies, including her support for a law guaranteeing "religious freedom" in the workplace, such as for pharmacists who refuse to fill birth control prescriptions and police officers who refuse to guard abortion clinics.

What drew Clinton into the sinister heart of the international right? Maybe it was just a phase in her tormented search for identity, marked by ever-changing hairstyles and names: Hillary Rodham, Mrs. Bill Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and now Hillary Clinton. She reached out to many potential spiritual mentors during her White House days, including new age guru Marianne Williamson and the liberal Rabbi Michael Lerner. But it was the Family association that stuck.

Sharlet generously attributes Clinton's involvement to the underappreciated depth of her religiosity, but he himself struggles to define the Family's theological underpinnings. The Family avoids the word Christian but worship Jesus, though not the Jesus who promised the earth to the "meek." They believe that, in mass societies, it's only the elites who matter, the political leaders who can build God's "dominion" on earth. Insofar as the Family has a consistent philosophy, it's all about power -- cultivating it, building it, and networking it together into ever-stronger units, or "cells." "We work with power where we can," Doug Coe has said, and "build new power where we can't."

Obama has given a beautiful speech on race and his affiliation with the Trinity Unity Church of Christ. Now it's up to Clinton to explain -- or, better yet, renounce -- her longstanding connection with the fascist-leaning Family.

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Posted by: lv | April 9, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

this tax could help pay off our deat and help iraq in this time of crisess. So i chalange hillary to talk about the issues and not her problums i am very independent and want to see rreal issue raised like corprate bulling things along the real problums her in america what do you have to say to that?

Posted by: stephen k | April 9, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

I hear hillary dosn't have a clear stand on her veiws and so she fires people and how this herts her campain.Now why dosn't she talk abot things like taxing iraqi oil 50% for iraq and 50% of the tax to our det on a no permenet tax basess?

Posted by: stephen k | April 9, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Barry Obama's not black, he's a double stuffed Oreo.

He made his career screwing people of color by working for a syrian slumlord named Rezko.

Once Black America wakes up they'll dispise him.

He's the worst "uncle tom" in history.

He's a traitor to all people who believe that no one should take advantage of their own people.

A person weho does that is the lowest kind of rat there is.

Barry Obama is a traitor to every Black person in America.

He's a traitor to his entire race.

He let them freeze in unheated slums.

He didn't care one bit.

He never has, he never will.

He only cares about fame and glory for himself.

He's a hustler and a fraud.

No self-respecting person of color should want anything to do with Barry Obama.

Once they know the truth, nobody will.

Posted by: Obama is a con man | April 9, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

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CLINTON BODY COUNT

By: Ether Zone Staff

Here is the latest body count that we have. All of these people have been connected with the Clintons in some form or another. We have not included any deaths that could not be verified or connected to the Clinton scandals. All deaths are listed chronologically by date. This list is current and accurate to the best of our knowledge as of January 13, 1999 August 1, 2000.

Susan Coleman: Rumors were circulating in Arkansas of an affair with Bill Clinton. She was found dead with a gunshot wound to the head at 7 1/2 months pregnant. Death was an apparent suicide.

Larry Guerrin: Was killed in February 1987 while investigating the INSLAW case.

Kevin Ives & Don Henry: Initial cause of death was reported to be the result of falling asleep on a railroad track in Arkansas on August 23, 1987. This ruling was reported by the State medical examiner Fahmy Malak. Later it was determined that Kevin died from a crushed skull prior to being placed on the tracks. Don had been stabbed in the back. Rumors indicate that they might have stumbled upon a Mena drug operation.

Keith Coney: Keith had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. Died in a motorcycle accident in July 1988 with unconfirmed reports of a high speed car chase.

Keith McKaskle: McKaskle has information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He was stabbed to death in November 1988.

Gregory Collins: Greg had information on the Ives/Henry deaths. He died from a gunshot wound to the face in January 1989.

Jeff Rhodes: He had information on the deaths of Ives, Henry & McKaskle. His burned body was found in a trash dump in April 1989. He died of a gunshot wound to the head and there was some body mutilation, leading to the probably speculation that he was tortured prior to being killed.

James Milam: Milam had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was decapitated. The state Medical examiner, Fahmy Malak, initially ruled death due to natural causes.

Richard Winters: Winters was a suspect in the deaths of Ives & Henry. He was killed in a "robbery" in July 1989 which was subsequently proven to be a setup.

Jordan Kettleson: Kettleson had information on the Ives & Henry deaths. He was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup in June 1990.

Alan Standorf: An employee of the National Security Agency in electronic intelligence. Standorf was a source of information for Danny Casalaro who was investigating INSLAW, BCCI, etc. Standorf's body was found in the backseat of a car at Washington National Airport on Jan 31, 1991.

Dennis Eisman: An attorney with information on INSLAW. Eisman was found shot to death on April 5, 1991.

Danny Casalaro: Danny was a free-lance reporter and writer who was investigating the "October Surprise", INSLAW and BCCI. Danny was found dead in a bathtub in a Sheraton Hotel room in Martinsburg, West Virginia. Danny was staying at the hotel while keeping appointments in the DC area pertinent to his investigation. He was found with his wrists slashed. At least one, and possibly both of his wrists were cut 10 times. All of his research materials were missing and have never been recovered.

Victor Raiser: The National Finance Co-Chair for "Clinton for President." He died in a airplane crash on July 30, 1992.

R. Montgomery Raiser: Also involved in the Clinton presidential campaign. He died in the same plane crash as Victor.

Paul Tully: Tulley was on the Democratic National Committee. He was found dead of unknown causes in his hotel room on September 24, 1992. No autopsy was ever allowed.

Ian Spiro: Spiro had supporting documentation for grand jury proceedings on the INSLAW case. His wife and 3 children were found murdered on November 1, 1992 in their home. They all died of gunshot wounds to the head. Ian's body was found several days later in a parked car in the Borego Desert. Cause of death? The ingestion of cyanide. FBI report indicated that Ian had murdered his family and then committed suicide.

Paula Gober: A Clinton speech writer. She died in a car accident on December 9, 1992 with no known witnesses.

Jim Wilhite: Wilhite was an associate of Mack McClarty's former firm. Wilhite died in a skiing accident on December 21, 1992. He also had extensive ties to Clinton with whom he visited by telephone just hours before his death.

Steve Willis, Robert Williams, Todd McKeahan & Conway LeBleu: Died Feburary 28, 1993 by gunfire at Waco. All four were examined by a pathologist and died from identical wounds to the left temple. All four had been body guards for Bill Clinton, three while campaigning for President and when he was Governor of Arkansas.They also were the ONLY 4 BATF agents killed at Waco.

Sgt. Brian Haney, Sgt. Tim Sabel, Maj. William Barkley, Capt. Scott Reynolds: Died: May 19, 1993 - All four men died when their helicopter crashed in the woods near Quantico, Va. - Reporters were barred from the site, and the head of the fire department responding to the crash described it by saying, "Security was tight," with "lots of Marines with guns." A videotape made by a firefighter was seized by the Marines. All four men had escorted Clinton on his flight to the carrier Roosevelt shortly before their deaths.

John Crawford: An attorney with information on INSLAW. He died from a heart attack in Tacoma in April of 1993.

John Wilson: Found dead from an apparent hanging suicide on May 18, 1993. He was a former Washington DC council member and claimed to have info on Whitewater.

Paul Wilcher: A lawyer who was investigating drug running out of Mena, Arkansas and who also sought to expose the "October Surprise", BCCI and INSLAW. He was found in his Washington DC apartment dead of unknown causes on June 22, 1993.

Vincent Foster: A White House deputy counsel and long-time personal friend of Bill and Hillary's. Found on July 20, 1993, dead of a gunshot wound to the mouth -- a death ruled suicide. Many different theories on this case! Readers are encouraged to read our report in Strange Deaths.

Jon Parnell Walker: An investigator for the RTC who was looking into the linkage between the Whitewater and Madison S&L bankruptcy. Walker "fell" from the top of the Lincoln Towers Building.

Stanley Heard & Steven Dickson: They were members of the Clinton health care advisory committee. They died in a plane crash on September 10, 1993.

Jerry Luther Parks: Parks was the Chief of Security for Clinton's national campaign headquarters in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car on September 26, 1993 near the intersection of Chenal Parkway and Highway 10 west of Little Rock. Parks was shot through the rear window of his car. The assailant then pulled around to the driver's side of Park's car and shot him three more times with a 9mm pistol. His family reported that shortly before his death, they were being followed by unknown persons, and their home had been broken into (despite a top quality alarm system). Parks had been compiling a dossier on Clinton's illicit activities. The dossier was stolen.

Ed Willey: A Clinton fundraiser. He died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound on November 30, 1993. His death came the same day his wife, Kathleen, was sexually assaulted in the White House by Bill Clinton.

Gandy Baugh: Baugh was Lasater's attorney and committed suicide on January 8, 1994. Baugh's partner committed suicide exactly one month later on February 8, 1994.

Herschell Friday: A member of the presidential campaign finance committee. He died in an airplane explosion on March 1, 1994.

Ronald Rogers: Rogers died on March 3, 1994 just prior to releasing sensitive information to a London newspaper. Cause of death? Undetermined.

Kathy Furguson: A 38 year old hospital worker whose ex-husband is a co- defendant in the Paula Jones sexual harassment law suit. She had information supporting Paula Jone's allegations. She died of an apparent suicide on May 11, 1994 from a gunshot wound to the head.

Bill Shelton: Shelton was an Arkansas police officer and was found dead as an apparent suicide on kathy Ferguson's grave (Kathy was his girl friend), on June 12, 1994. This "suicide" was the result of a gunshot wound to the back of the head.

Stanley Huggins: Huggins, 46, was a principal in a Memphis law firm which headed a 1987 investigation into the loan practices of Madison Guaranty S&L. Stanley died in Delaware in July 1994 -- reported cause of death was viral pneumonia.

Paul Olson: A Federal witness in investigations to drug money corruption in Chicago politics, Paul had just finished 2 days of FBI interviews when his plane ride home crashed, killing Paul and 130 others on Sept 8 1994. The Sept. 15, 1994 Tempe Tribune newspaper reported that the FBI suspected that a bomb had brought down the airplane.

Calvin Walraven: 24 year on Walraven was a key witness against Jocelyn Elder's son's drug case. Walraven was found dead in his apartment with a gunshot wound to the head. Tim Hover, a Little Rock police spokesman says no foul play is suspected.

Alan G. Whicher: Oversaw Clinton's Secret Service detail. In October 1994 Whicher was transferred to the Secret Service field office in the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. Whatever warning was given to the BATF agents in that building did not reach Alan Whicher, who died in the bomb blast of April 19th 1995.

Duane Garrett: Died July 26, 1995-A lawyer and a talk show host for KGO-AM in San Fransisco, Duane was the campaign finance chairman for Diane Fienstien's run for the senate, and was a friend and fundraiser for Al Gore. Garrett was under investigation for defrauding investors in Garrett's failed sports memorabilia venture. There was talk of a deal to evade prosecution. On July 26th, Garrett canceled an afternoon meeting with his lawyer because he had to meet some people at the San Fransisco airport. Three hours later he was found floating in the bay under the Golden Gate Bridge.

Ron Brown:. The Commerce Secretary died on April 3, 1996, in an Air Force jet carrying Brown and 34 others, including 14 business executives on a trade mission to Croatia, crashed into a mountainside. The Air Force, in a 22-volume report issued in June of 1996, confirmed its initial judgment that the crash resulted from pilot errors and faulty navigation equipment At the time of Brown's death, Independent Counsel Daniel Pearson was seeking to determine whether Brown had engaged in several sham financial transactions with longtime business partner Nolanda Hill shortly before he became secretary of commerce.

Charles Meissner: died: UNK - Following Ron Brown's death, John Huang was placed on a Commerce Department contract that allowed him to retain his security clearance
by Charles Meissner. Shortly thereafter, Meissner died in the crash of a small plane. He was an Assistant Secretary of Commerce for International Economic Policy.

William Colby: Retired CIA director was found dead on May 6,1996 after his wife reported him missing on April 27,1996. Apparently, Colby decided to go on a impromptu canoeing excursion and never returned. Colby who had just started writing for Strategic Investment newsletter, worried many in the intelligent community. Colby's past history of divulging CIA secrets in the past were well known. Strategic Investor had covered the Vince Foster suicide and had hired handwriting experts to review Foster's suicide note.

Admiral Jeremy Boorda: Died on May 16,1996 after he went home for lunch and decided to shoot himself in the chest (by one report, twice) rather than be interviewed by Newsweek magazine that afternoon. Explanations for Boorda's suicide focused on a claim that he was embarrassed over two "Valor" pins he was not authorized to wear.

Lance Herndon: Herndon a 41 year old computer specialist and a prominent entrepreneur who received a presidential appointment in 1995 died August 10, 1996 under suspicious circumstances. He appeared to have died from a blow to the head. Police said no weapons were found at his mansion, adding that Mr. Herndon had not been shot or stabbed and there was no evidence of forced entry or theft.

Neil Moody: Died -August 25, 1996 Following Vincent Foster's murder, Lisa Foster married James Moody, a judge in Arkansas, on Jan 1, 1996. Near the time Susan McDougal first went to jail for contempt, Judge Moor's son, Neil died in a car crash. There were other reports that Neil Moody had discovered something very unsettling among his stepmother's private papers and was threatening to go public with it just prior to the beginning of the Democratic National Convention. He was alleged to have been talking to Bob Woodward of the Washington Post about a blockbuster story. Witnesses said they saw Neil Moody sitting in his car arguing with another person just prior to His car suddenly speeding off out of control and hitting a brick wall.

Barbara Wise: Wise a 14-year Commerce Department employee found dead and partially naked in her office following a long weekend. She worked in the same section as John Huang. Officially, she is said to have died of natural causes.

Doug Adams: Died January 7, 1997- A lawyer in Arkansas who got involved trying to help the people who were being swindled out of their life savings. Adams was found in his vehicle with a gunshot wound to his head in a Springfield Mo. hospital parking lot.

Mary C. Mahoney: 25, murdered at the Georgetown Starbuck's coffee bar over the 4th of July '97 weekend. She was a former White House intern who worked with John Huang. Apparently she knew Monica Lewinsky and her sexual encounters with Bill Clinton. Although not verified, it has been said that Lewinsky told Linda Tripp that she did not want to end up like Mahoney.

Ronald Miller: Suddenly took ill on October 3rd,1997 and steadily worsened until his death 9 days later. (This pattern fits Ricin poisoning.) Owing to the strangeness of the illness, doctors at the Integris Baptist Medical Center referred the matter to the Oklahoma State Medical Examiner's Office. The Oklahoma State Medical Examiner's Office promptly ran tests on samples of Ron Miller's blood, but has refused to release the results or even to confirm that the tests were ever completed.

Had been investigated by authorities over the sale of his company, Gage Corp. to Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. was the man who tape recorded Gene and Nora Lum and turned those tapes (and other records) over to congressional oversight investigators. The Lums were sentenced to prison for campaign finance violations, using "straw donors" to conceal the size of their contributions to various candidates. Indeed, Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. had hired Ron Brown's son Michael solely for the purpose of funneling $60,000 through him to the Commerce Secretary, according to Nolanda Hill's testimony.

Sandy Hume: On Sunday, February 22nd, 1998, Sandy Hume, the 28 year old son of journalist Britt Hume, was reportedly found dead in his Arlington, Virginia home. Aside from the statement that this was an "apparent" suicide, there remains in place a total media blackout on this story, possibly out of concern that the actual facts will not withstand public scrutiny. Worked for Hill magazine, about Congress for Congress.

Jim McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally, sent to prison for eighteen felony convictions. A key whitewater witness, dies of a heart attack on March, 8 1998. As of this writing allegations that he was given an injection of the diuretic lasix has not been denied or confirmed.
Died on March 8, 1998

Johnny Lawhon: 29, died March 29, 1998- The Arkansas transmission specialist who discovered a pile of Whitewater documents in the trunk of an abandoned car on his property and turned them over to Starr, was killed in a car wreck two weeks after the McDougal death.. Details of the "accident" have been sketchy -- even from the local Little Rock newspaper.

Charles Wilbourne Miller: 63, was found dead of a gunshot wound to the head on November 17, 1998 in a shallow pit about 300 yards from his ranch house near Little Rock. Police found a .410 gauge shotgun near Miller's body and a Ruger .357-caliber revolver submerged in water. Investigators concluded the Ruger was the weapon used by Miller to kill himself. Yet, two rounds in the handgun's cylinder had been spent.

He had long served as executive vice president and member of the board of directors for a company called Alltel and was deeply involved in his own software engineering company until the day he died. Alltel is the successor to Jackson Stephens' Systematics, the company that provided the software for the White House's "Big Brother" data base system and that was behind the administration's plan to develop the secret computer "Clipper" chip to bug every phone, fax and email transmission in America.

Carlos Ghigliotti: 42, was found dead in his home just outside of Washington D.C. on April 28, 2000. There was no sign of a break-in or struggle at the firm of Infrared Technology where the badly decomposed body of Ghigliotti was found. Ghigliotti had not been seen for several weeks.

Ghigliotti, a thermal imaging analyst hired by the House Government Reform Committee to review tape of the siege, said he determined the FBI fired shots on April 19, 1993. The FBI has explained the light bursts on infrared footage as reflections of sun rays on shards of glass or other debris that littered the scene.

"I conclude this based on the groundview videotapes taken from several different angles simultaneously and based on the overhead thermal tape," Ghigliotti told The Washington Post last October. "The gunfire from the ground is there, without a doubt."

Ghigliotti said the tapes also confirm the Davidians fired repeatedly at FBI agents during the assault, which ended when flames raced through the compound. About 80 Branch Davidians perished that day, some from the fire, others from gunshot wounds.

Mark Corallo, a spokesman for the congressional committee chaired by Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind., said that police found the business card of a committee investigator in Ghigliotti's office. Corallo said Ghigliotti's work for the committee ended some time ago.

Tony Moser: 41, was killed as he crossed a street in Pine Bluff, Ark on on June 10, 2000. Killed 10 days after being named a columnist for the Democrat-Gazette newspaper and two days after penning a stinging indictment of political corruption in Little Rock.

Police have concluded that no charges will be filed against the unnamed driver of a 1995 Chevrolet pickup, which hit Moser as he was walking alone in the middle of unlit Rhinehart Road about 10:10 p.m

Police say they have ruled out foul play and will file no charges against the driver because he was not intoxicated and there was no sign of excessive speed.


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Posted by: lv | April 9, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Hillary can't bring "change" because she already had eight years in the White House and brought no change whatever. In those days her husband pushed NAFTA, and she also held five meeting to support NAFTA, but now she is against it. She voted for Bush'd Iraq war, and now she is against it. Is that change? Or is it just the opportunism of a cold-blooded politician who will say anything to get your vote?

Posted by: bodo | April 9, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

change what change in Hillary same old thing we know what we get with her , Bill and more interns , between what they stole when they left white house they are trailor trash

Posted by: LV | April 9, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Obama isn't going to save anyone from anything. He is completely unqualified to be president. He claims to be different but he isn't. He is a liar and a hypocrite and has NO chance of winning in the general election if he somehow does manage to hold on to the election. Senator Clinton is the only one of the three who can bring this country back to where we should be. Vote Clinton.

Posted by: Tobias
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Typical Clintonistas' drivel. America cannot expect any better from her either.
She can't even run a good campaign: Keeps changing her message, her personality, and her persona; consistently lies to the public; cannot lead or manage her campaign staff; cannot manages her campaign funds wisely or functionally. Bill suffered from diarrhea of the mouth and an uncontrolled temper; says she's against NAFTA, yet Bill is VERY PRO NAFTA and her head strategist is making deals with the Colombia Ambassador to push NAFTA. She has based her run for the President on fraudulant claims to experience and outright lies at every turn. MOST Americans are finally realizing what a fraud Hillary has been and continues to be. It's gotten to the point where the majority of us cannot and do not believe her drivel.

Guess you and most of Hillary's supporters live in the same world of "make believe" in which Hillary lives.

Posted by: NinaK | April 9, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Hope he puts her out of her misery in PA.

Posted by: lvin Pennsylvania | April 9, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Hillary resume
LIAR,CROOK,HORMONEL, BI POLAR.SNEEKY,just a horable person

Posted by: Lorna | April 9, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Both Hillary and BJ Clinton suggested if you vote for Hillary, you are getting 2 for 1. It looks like you will be getting one minus one which is a Big Fat ZerO.

Posted by: Jellybean | April 9, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

LARRY SINCLAIR IS A NUT ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS SEE THE VIDIO THAT THE MAN HAS SCREWSMISSING

Posted by: lc | April 9, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

People constantly emphasize change as a theme for Obama. What change he is going to bring, I have no idea. Obama people blindly support this guy and I have no idea other than it is fashionable to be black these days. Every body has an opinion and it goes for many of the posts here. We should not deny that husband and wife would have dispute over certain policies and Clintons are no different. Money he has gotten representing Colombia contingent is Bill's business. Obama people only know how to criticize but when it comes to their candidate, they don't ask what position he is taking. For example, Obama states that he agrees with both side with respect to Bush attending the opening ceremony of the Olympic games. Obama people don't ask their candidate to have some backbone. They just know he is going to bring this change that nobody knows.

Posted by: Jim Richmond | April 9, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey Hillary..... No Conflict of interest, that's a good one...."Wink, Wink".

Posted by: puddlescited | April 9, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Unsurprisingly, Sen. Clinton is trying to have it both ways: oppose the Colombia FTA while benefiting from the advice from Mark Penn and the dollars from Bill Clinton's involvement with the Colombian lobby. Soon (two weeks from now) voters will have a chance to comment on the hypocrisy that is now revealed as central to the characters of both Clintons.

We do not need nor want Hillary Clinton as president; her incompetence coupled with her fundamental dishonesty disqualifies her for the job.

Posted by: dee | April 9, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Money, Money, Money....

How naive do Ms. Clinton think the American Voters are... She stepped away from him...means what?

When the check is cashed... she will denounce the spending?

Ps... How is Penn doing today?

Posted by: puddlescited | April 9, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

A free trade deal should not be entered into for national security or any other non-economic reason. Its merits should be judged solely on the question of whether it is good for the US economy or not. In the case of Columbia,as it is for other developing countries, the free trade agreement will amount to this: they will export cheap goods to us, we will export jobs and technology to them.

Posted by: obeserver | April 9, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

A prelude to the melodramatized Hill/Bill spats that a return engagement at the White House would stage...if this dysfunctional duo were given a return ticket?

Posted by: FirstMouse | April 9, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Toby: "Obama isn't going to save anyone from anything. He is completely unqualified to be president. He claims to be different but he isn't. He is a liar and a hypocrite and has NO chance of winning in the general election if he somehow does manage to hold on to the election. Senator Clinton is the only one of the three who can bring this country back to where we should be. Vote Clinton."

Clinton Campaign Staffer: Ok, you just keep repeating that to yourself Toby 1000 more times until you actually believe it at which point we will train you on how to cut and paste "you might be an idiot" prop I mean communications and then assign you to a message board. Great Job!

Posted by: UncleRemus | April 9, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I am with the top responder, this is why they wanted her to win in February -- Penn, Wolfson and Bill-o and you really think Hillary is against it???

What the prolonged primary has proved is that Hillary cannot run a campaign much less a country -- I hope Penn is a blow-out and Obama can get into preparing for the general election. What we are seeing is another Bush incompetence in Dems clothes. No way -- people want change.

Posted by: paulet | April 9, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

This is classic politics. Colombia's exports to USA already have been under a duty free status for the last years. The TLC will made them permanent and not dependable to a law. The signature of a TLC with Colombia won't change much to the actual conditions for Colombia exports, but it will lower the duties to USA exports to Colombia. If it will be analyze only from an economic view the TLC benefits the USA. But this is politics, Obama talks about union rights, in Colombia there are unions, big ones, the crimes against them had lower to historic figures in the last years, and by the way will Obama stop the trade with China??? where there's even child slavery??. Clinton talks abouy jobs, so? the Colombia workhand is not the most cheap in the world, why will a big industry go to Colombia if they can go to India or China, what will clinton do about this?. It's sad how politics play with people ideas, the take advantages of people ignorance in some areas, the use exageration to touch people hearts, it doesn´t matter that it trashes the most closest ally in south america, not from now but many years. Guess which was the only country in south america that send troops to the Korea war?. This is a way to loose an ally.

Posted by: Jose Guti | April 9, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

So, she runs on how good the economic record of the Clinton years was--but she disagrees with Bill on trade. Hmmmmm? Maybe....just, maybe those good economic years didn't have anything to do with Hillary. There goes another claim to experience

Posted by: Sueb2 | April 9, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Many of her supporters and former Clinton administration aides like Leon Panetta also support this Colombian deal. In fact her campaign guy, Wolfson, company (which he is still getting money from) is working for the Columbians too, according to the NY Times. So how do we believe that she isn't flip-flopping on this? We know she lobbied for NAFTA 5 times for its passage from her released schedules, though she claims that privately she didn't believe in what she was saying about it. How can we trust her? I don't.

Posted by: goldie2 | April 9, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Everybody this is important

It's COLOMBIA!!! Not Columbia!!!!

Columbia is a city in Maryland.

We are talking about COLOMBIA

Posted by: Colombia | April 9, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Anne E. Kornblut,

You might want to edit your article for accuracy. All parties concerned stated that Goolsbee's NAFTA discussion with Canadian representatives was entirely consistent with Obama's public statements on trade. The part about posturing was not his words, and reflected excessive interpretation on the part of an analyst. In fact, the only direct quotes from Goolsbee's discussion are essentially identical to Obama's public statements. The Canadian government even formally apologized for their unintentional part in the resulting misrepresentation.

Posted by: Justin | April 9, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Hillary must not be as big a supporter of coke dealers as Bill. How many drug dealers did Slick Willy pardon in his final hours as president? One of them was a family member. These people are SO corrupt. Free trade with Columbia. Don't make me laugh.

Posted by: LiberalismIsAMentalDisorder | April 9, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see how much money coming from Colombia was donated to the Clinton foundation and/or the Clinton library.

Posted by: andrico | April 9, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Fire your husband Hillary. He's been more problematic than helpful. Fire him, fire Penn, fire all the campaign advisors who are men. Men are vile, disgusting pigs.
Hillary '08

Posted by: Sisters for Hillary | April 9, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Hillary must not be as big a support of the coke dealers as Bill. How many drug dealers did Slick Willy pardon in his final hours as president? One of them was a family member. These people are SO corrupt.

Posted by: LiberalismIsAMentalDisorder | April 9, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama isn't going to save anyone from anything. He is completely unqualified to be president. He claims to be different but he isn't. He is a liar and a hypocrite and has NO chance of winning in the general election if he somehow does manage to hold on to the election. Senator Clinton is the only one of the three who can bring this country back to where we should be. Vote Clinton.

Posted by: Tobias | April 9, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Well, shame on you Hillary Clinton! You cannot pick and choose which parts of your husband's resume to plagarize!!

Posted by: 86'er | April 9, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't think the Clintons or Mark Penn hold the people in America in very high regard as I relates to our ability to see the truth. We would be idiots to buy into their convoluted meanderings. Further attempts to manipulate can be seen in their current story, today, that they also disagree on Bush attending the Opening Ceremonies of the Olympics. What drivel!

Posted by: Cheryl | April 9, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Andy | April 9, 2008 2:22 PM

Right. Go on and write lines for Rush Limbaugh!(or was this sarcasm?)

It doesn't matter which topic, Hillary Clinton's campaign doesn't have the upper hand on any of the issues. Trade: See above. Iraq war: Her vote will always stick to her. Her claim at experience earned her 4 Pinocchios. She can't even bowle better than Obama, hasn't she been telling a tall tale about bowling in Camp David too? Honesty: Forget it.

Give your thoughts on why the Clinton campaign imploded here:

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/04/09/project-post-mortem-i-the-vote-for-war/

Posted by: old_europe | April 9, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

It is entirely consistent for Sen. Clinton to oppose the Columbia Free Trade Act, political expediency is the order of the day in the Clinton camp and to win PA she better fight free trade. For those who have followed this torrid tale since Iowa they have seen the message from the Clinton Campaign change from venue to venue as they have sought out the hot buttons for the local electorate. They play well to the crowd that believes that government's role is to transfer wealth from the undeserving rich to the deserving special interest. She loves to promise that government will be personal: personal in that it will make sure that more government means more for you. Obama seems fresh to me because, for whatever his politics, his policies seem driven by convictions, his message stays consistent because he isn't just trying to "win the election" but rather to change the country and he sincerely believes that he knows how to do it. I believe if you want to see a Dem in the white house in 2009, you should vote for Obama. Hillary has shown over and over again that she loses 2-3% points a week in a protracted battle. Even is McCain spots her 5%, it will erode in less than a month.

Posted by: cwsinNH | April 9, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Team Clinton - so confusing!

Now let me see if I understand this correctly. Mark Penn 'resigns' from the Clinton campaign as Chief Strategist but "Mark and Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates, Inc, will continue to provide polling and advice to the campaign" according to Maggie Williams, Team Clinton Campaign Manager. In other words nothing changes!

Then there is the matter of Columbia. Ex-President Clinton seemingly supports the Free Trade Agreement (he would, of course having accepted $800,000 from Gold Service International, a Bogota-based business development group, for assorted appearances including Columbia) but Mrs Clinton now opposes it.

Are we seriously to believe anything the Clintons say at all now? All integrity and credibility has long since evaporated. Their entire campaign appears shallow, deceitful and merely any statement, any time to suit moment.

Posted by: Geoffrey | April 9, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

In his story Larry Sinclair claimed that he had performed a homosexual act with Obama while using illegal drugs in 1999. He has also filed a lawsuit against the DNC and the Obama camp...

Posted by: Andy | April 9, 2008 2:22 PM

I heard Obama is also responsible for the Holocaust, the Kennedy assassination, and the fake moon landing.

Congratulations andy! You just won the Most Vile Stupid Troll of the Day Award.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh, that's what it takes for her to cut loose from him. As soon as her ambitions are cut short he better beware?

**shaking head vigorously**

Posted by: old_europe | April 9, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

No conflicts-of-interest, says Hillary. Huh, then why did she demote Penn if there was no conflict of interest? What is the difference between Penn's position and Bill's position, other than Bill got $500K more?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

I find it disconcerting that Sen. Clinton's husband, Bill, and her close aide, Mark Penn, support the Columbian Free Trade Agreement. Add in the former aides of Sen. Clinton who are paid lobbyists on behalf of the Columbia government to push the free trade agreement, and we see that Sen. Clinton is surrounded by close advisers who support the free trade agreement.

While, HRC says she opposes the free trade agreement while seeking the presidency, one has to consider the influence these people will have if she is elected.

Most disconcerting is Bill Clinton's pro-free trade stance. As her husband, he has a tremendous amount of influence with her. Further, as a former president, he holds a lot of influence with members of Congress. If he becomes the first spouse, his influence with Congress will increase.

Certainly, those of us who oppose free trade agreements must take the pro-free trade agreement of Sen. Clinton's advisers into consideration.

Posted by: C. G. of Houston, TX | April 9, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

"Clinton has come under fire recently..."
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Why is a reporter for the Washington Post being a smartass on company time?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 9, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I'm disgusted by the fact that Hillary Clinton's right-hand man, Mark Penn, is a lobbyist for Blackwater Worldwide, Countrywide Financial, big tobacco, and the Columbian Free Trade Agreement, among others.

It's so hypocritical that the man running her campaigns was such a piece of scum. He was paid 10% of all the campaign donations! Do we want people like Mark Penn on her presidential cabinet or SCOTUS?

Posted by: Backpack | April 9, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

As a US-Colombian citizen, it's really sad to hear that the Democrats are against a free trade agreement that will provide help to a country which is working hard to improve its economical conditions through honest work and resilience from his people. After what's happening, it seems that Colombia would be better with a Republican administration. What did happen with the good work from Mr. Clinton? Why are we treated as an enemy in terms of trade? Are not Colombians suffering for a drug traffic problem that has permeated our society due to the fact that there are consumers in the US willing to pay for drugs? Where is the fairness and common sense of the Democratic party? Please, don't use local politics to damage and humiliate a country that is just trying to emerge from long years of violence. We do deserve better.

Posted by: Carlos A. Arboleda | April 9, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Why is the MSM still has no balls to report the story of Larry Sinclair and Sen. Obama? In his story Larry Sinclair claimed that he had performed a homosexual act with Obama while using illegal drugs in 1999. He has also filed a lawsuit against the DNC and the Obama camp...

Posted by: Andy | April 9, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Since Bill Clinton received $800,000 to promote the Colombia free trade agreement, and that money benefits both of them (since they filed a joint tax return)---isn't there a huge conflict of interest here? Hillary is saying how much she opposes this trade agreement; but, Hillary will say anything to get the nomination. Could she be so disappointed that Bush submitted the Colombia free trade agreement to congress for a vote now because she'll be forced to actually vote on it before the nomination is decided? If so, given her propensity for untruthfulness, how do we know how she would have voted if the vote came after the nomination was settled?

Posted by: Sueb2 | April 9, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

All this is why she HAD to win in February...The wheels have come off and there are a bunch of loose nuts in the Clinton Machine...This is what Barack meant when he said the reason he isnt bowing down for the Clintons is because of the fierce urgency of now...He is going to save us from the Status Quo and the more that comes out about these Clintonista scumbags the more I appreciate his cajones for going up against the formerly big bad Clinton Machine.

Posted by: Beka13 | April 9, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

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