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Clyburn Warns Democratic Party: African Americans Matter

By Jonathan Weisman
South Carolina Democratic Rep. James Clyburn warned today that if the heated Clinton-Obama contest continues on its present course it could have dire consequences for African American support of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, should she win the Democratic nomination, and on African American faith in the Democratic Party even if she does not.

"I may not know a lot about what drives some voters, but I know a little bit about African American voters," he said, in an interview with The Trail. "And if they feel as if they're being used, they'll stay away. They just won't engage in the process."

"African Americans are really engaged in the process and I don't think we oughta be saying anything that might discourage these people or in any way marginalize them," he continued. "I am very concerned that if we keep talking as if it doesn't matter ... that Obama gets 92 percent of the black vote ... since he only got 35 percent of the white vote, he's in trouble. Well, Hillary Clinton only got 8 percent of black vote. [That's] like saying that 92 percent, they don't matter."

His remarks come a day after telling the New York Times that Bill Clinton's "bizarre" conduct and statements -- such as comparing Sen. Barack Obama with Rev. Jesse Jackson after his South Carolina primary win -- had incensed African American voters and threatened to create a permanent rift between the Clintons and African Americans. Clyburn, the most senior African American in Congress and the third-ranking Democrat in the House, today said he was also disturbed by the vast quantity of press coverage focused on Obama's relationship to white voters, which he felt minimized the significance of African American voter choices. "I think that the way everybody has been reporting this Pennsylvania thing, it's almost saying black people don't matter. Only thing that matters is how white people respond. And that's what bothered me. I think I matter."

"I'm speaking on behalf of African American voters all across this country, many of whom I've talked to," he said. "When I'm having young college students coming up to me and telling me how they don't understand how I and other black political leaders allow black community to be so trivialized. One lady wrote me a letter saying, 'What is it about you that allows you to take this from Bill Clinton?'

"This is not about who is the nominee. It is about what kind of position our party is gonna be in whenever we get a nominee."

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Here we go again. With another important primary coming up in a state with a significant Black electorate, the black political leadership is trying to smear the Clintons in the hopes of giving Obama a much needed boost.
We, the voters, are not stupid. We know what you are doing and we are not taken in.
Shame on you Clyburn.

Posted by: alee21 | April 27, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic leadership would minimize Congressman Clyburn's warning at the risk of defeats in November.

Posted by: FirstMouse | April 27, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Senator OBama,Rev Wright,numerous political pundits and now Rep Clyburn have argued that the Rev Wrights comments have been taken out of context to stir up anti-black feelings against Sen OBama. My question is this-- In what context do these statements and simulated sex acts become acceptable from the pulpit (especially with children in the pews)? Nobody has been able to offer any good examples to me yet including all the OBama supporters I've asked so far. Anybody here have any ideas?

Posted by: Searching for explainations | April 27, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I will not vote for Mr Obama. This middle class white woman over 50 will vote for Clinton, and if she is not the nominee, I am not staying away. I will vote for MacCaine.
This has nothing to do with race. Obama is not tried enough yet. I find the downside risks too high to gamble with the future of our great Nation.

And we are so many from sea to shining sea.

Posted by: whitemiddleclasswomanover50 | April 27, 2008 7:46 AM | Report abuse

Clyburn's conduct in this election is despicable.

Posted by: vee | April 27, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Let's all just take a breath...I don't think Mr. Clyburn meant to imply any threat. Nor Bill any slight. These are important, often painful concerns and it's easy to feel marginalized with all the banter, accusations, and soundbites flying around.

None of us has this all figured out. None of us, not even Mr. Clyburn or Mr. Clinton have a corner on any demographic, on oppression, or on being left out. The problem with elections is that everyone is talking in "shorthand", taking shortcuts to get their opinion across fast and powerfully. It will all be easy to misinterpret.

I am a Hillary supporter - i am a 50+ white and indigenous partially disabled lesbian taoist who is so far out there that there isn't a candidate that can come close to representing my vision of the world. So, I look for who can come closest and who I think can run the country while taking it closer to realizing the ideals of fairness, self responsibility, self reliance, and more inclusive community in balance with the earth and all its life forms.

I'm so far out on the margins its hard to see to the center sometimes. But the anger and harshness of the dialogue here makes seeing anything pretty remote.

Hillary Clinton doesn't stand for this anger and this dissing of people who disagree with us. She stands for listening, for unity, for finding the middle ground, for realizing there may be something to what someone is saying even if we don't understand it at first. She doesn't give up. She doesn't abandon us. Let's not either. Please, think with your heart.

Thanks.

Posted by: Vic from Oregon | April 27, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

If you have a Black candidate...say HE'S the racist...

If you have a candidate that was raised poor, call him an elitist...

If you have a candidate who's Christian, call him a Muslim...

If your candidate earned over 100 million dollars, call her a friend of the working class...

If your candidate voted for a disastous war, claims that she will end it; and that she has better judgement and experience...

If your candidate went to Bosnia and lied about sniper fire to enhance her image...

If your candidate couldn't produce accounting records under subpoena for two years and were located in a hallway next to her bedroom...

If your candidate refused to testify under oath when questioned about Whitewater...

If your candidate fired the entire WH travel office to give jobs to her friends...

If your candidate so desperately wants
to regain the trappings of the WH above all else she will say anything...

If your candidate is an opportunist and a liar...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 27, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Clyburn message is clearly one of intimidation. Clyburn, like Wright, is a race baiter.

Posted by: Prabhata | April 26, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

In today's Washington Post, you express concern that race will be a divisive factor in the elections.

You are so right.

But who raised the racism issue? Right on cue for MLK Day to show he was so very black? Remember?

Who has kept the race issue going, day after day after interminable day - which you are now raising once again. You are just flailing with no specifics. It's getting very obnoxious and tiresome.

How about coming up with constructive solutions, rather than tearing the party and the country apart.

And who could possible believe Obama wants reconciliation as he claims - after listening and watching you and Rev. Wright! Perhaps this is your strategy for keeping blacks voting for Obama in N.C. and Indiana.

Also, not sure how many of us appreciate hearing how "bitter" Obama is for not having locked up the nomination sooner, given that he plopped on the scene and delayed what should have been Hillary's, and given that the media has unfailingly supported him, and given that he has a $40 million campaign chest.

And by the way, it doesn't sound particularly presidential to have Obama exhort an Indiana crowd to chant "Yes, we're pissed."

For the rest of us, you've all got the best possible strategy for keeping us away.

It's not Hillary who is negative and causing the problem.

Maybe for the sake of unloading a politically immature candidate, Obama should quit.

Posted by: Lesley | April 26, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Donald Chase,

I with you. I'm in Indiana and Barack just lost my vote. With supporters like this, who needs enemies? My vote will not be coersed by this primadonna who thinks he speaks for all African-Americans. He does not speak for me!

Posted by: Shauna | April 25, 2008 7:32 PM

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I think you were always looking for an excuse and this gave you one. The truth hurts don't it. No one gets upset with white voters when they threaten to stay home if Obama is the nominee, but African American voters are suppose to toe the line, even if they don't agree.

Posted by: MIke H | April 26, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Philistinism is a derogatory term used to describe a particular attitude or set of values. A person called a Philistine (in the relevant sense), is said to despise or undervalue art, beauty, intellectual content, and/or spiritual values. Philistines are also said to be materialistic, to favor conventional social values unthinkingly, and to favor forms of art that have a cheap and easy appeal (e.g. kitsch).

Philistinism affords a contrast to Bohemianism, as the character of a smugly conventional bourgeois social group perceived to lack all the desirably soulful 'bohemian' characteristics, especially an artistic temperament and a broad cultural horizon open to the avant-garde. To the chosen few, the 'Philistines' embodied a smug, anti-intellectual threatening majority, in the 'culture wars' of the 19th century.

It is ironic that the term Philistine has a negative connotation while the historical evidence of the Philistines contradicts this derogatory meaning. According to the History Channel's 'Naked Archaeologist' Simcha Jacobovici, the Philistines were an advanced culture relative to their contemporary Canaanite neighbors. The Philistines were not indigenous to the region (possibly proto-Greek), having (according to general, though not fully substantiated theory) been part of a larger group known as the 'Sea Peoples' who made war on Egypt and lost - eventually settling just out of Egypt's sphere of influence. Modern archeology in Israel has shown that Philistine urban structure, commercial complexity and technology (pottery/iron) were all more advanced than that of other contemporary Canaanites. Most telling of all comes from 1 Samuel where the Jews (still a bronze society) describe the resentment of trading-dependence with the Philistines for obtaining & re-sharpening of iron agricultural tools. This command of iron (and unwillingness to trade iron weaponry) allowed the far smaller Philistine culture to survive the perpetual wars with their Jewish neighbors. Their boutique culture could not withstand the Assyrian and later Babylonian expansions into Canaan, however - after which they disappeared as a cohesive cultural group.

Posted by: America | April 26, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Is it 90% of African American already vote for Obama regardless?

Posted by: inva | April 26, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Is it 90% of African American already vote for Obama regardless?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't know who Mr. Clyburn has been talking to, but he definitely doesn't represent me. Hillary nor Bill are in no way sabotaging Obama's campaign. Obama is sabotaging his own campaign. In addition, Hillary nor Bill have said anything racist during this campaign. I'm so sick and tired of people accusing anyone who questions Obama or votes against him of being racist. And I'm even more sick of people twisting everything Bill and Hillary says to try to insinuate that their comments are racist. I'm a proud African-American and I'm proud to be supporting Hillary Clinton for President, because of the three remaining candidates, she will make the best President.

Posted by: VA4Hillary | April 26, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Look what this primary season has done to a man I used to respect. Don't Blame the Clinton's because America is not ready to vote for a black man for president. If you want to blame someone blame Mr. Obama and his Reverend Wright. I can assure you he has turned many white voters away from Mr.Obama. Just when we are not hearing GD America in our heads anymore he comes back on the television. Barack Obama will not get white votes because he stayed in Reverend Wrights church for 20 years. The things said about the Clinton's from behind the pulpit will not be forgotten also. Guilt by association is bringing Mr. Obama down and not just his association with his pastor. I am sorry Mr. Clyburn has taken it upon himself to further divide the democratic party the way he has the last two days.

I hope your 15 minutes of fame were worth the problems you are causing the democratic party Mr. Clyburn.

Posted by: Really Sad | April 26, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

There are many of us AAs, who respect President and Senator Clinton and are old enough to know our own minds.
No one person can purport to speak for everybody else just because of a single common characteristic.
Rest assured that just as many of us are also involved in reading, listening, observing the televised broadcasts and using our own informed thoughts to decide who speaks for us, or if they even care what we think, just so they get our vote.

Posted by: forhill | April 26, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

This is madness. Are we to be held hostage because we DON'T vote for Obama? I look at what the candidate has to offer, not what color they are. In the political area I have voted for African Americans before, and I will vote for African Americans again, but for this election, I feel Clinton is the best candidate.

Campaigns are all about boosting yourself up as the best person and pointing out why your opponent is not the best person. It's always been that way. To think that everyone who doesn't back Obama or agree with him, is racist, is ludicrous. Shall we now fear racial backlash or riots if Obama does not get the nomination? I can assure you, if Clinton loses, you will never see riots. I will not be bullied, and neither should the superdelegates and the American public.

Posted by: EsmeraldaB | April 26, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Mr.Clyburn, why is that you continue to always put blame on the Clinton's when ever Obama does not win a primary? Why doesn't the African-American community acknowledge it influence on the civil unrest that has started with his candidcy? Why is it that African-American politicians are harassing other African-American politicians to vote for Obama ? Why is it that the Mayor of Richmond, Virginia can go on a cable news show and call for riots in the street, if Obama is no the nominee? Youhave taken us back to the 50's and 60's with fearmongering!

Posted by: jp,michigan | April 26, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

America's most formidable problems, going into the 21st century are: a large number of functionally educated population, who are not capable of basic logic and critical reasoning; and an obsession with race, international culture illiteracy, bordering on homophobia, in an increasingly global economy. Let's see how America would fare, stuck in its 18th, 19th and 20th century primodial sentiment of racial prejudice.

A leadership vision and personality such as Obama's, may be the only thing that would save this country, from becoming irrelevant, considering the challenges and profound changes taking place in the world, and those facing America, in the 21st century. Sen. Obama may not be the typical type of candidate America has always had to elect to the presidency. However, he is the best real option America has to exercise. Watch my words.

Posted by: Ignatius Anyanwu | April 26, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

>> She is more of a man

Intelligence is obvious.

Posted by: Seymour Butts | April 26, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

First of all I want to know who in the HELL gave Mr Clyburn the authority to speak for ME. I certainly DID NOT. I am Female and AA, since I became an adult I have ALWAYS spoken for myself. So Mr Clyburn I will be voting the way I choose(thank you) and I donot choose to vote for Mr Obama.
I think that your tone and behavior during this primary season have been disgracefull.
I was born and raised in a time and state when AA had far less. As a 75 year old I recognize race baiting when I see it whether it comes from Blacks or Whites. You Sir Need to STOP IT!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Helen | April 26, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

She is more of a man than Obama is..

Posted by: reason | April 26, 2008 4:44 PM

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Right on!

Posted by: Bill | April 26, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Finally, I want to say a word about the basic decency I have seen in Mr. Obama. Mrs. Clinton continues to throw the Rev. Wright up in his face as part of her mission to keep stoking the fears of White America. Every time she does this I shout at the TV, "Say it, Obama! Say that when she and her husband were having marital difficulties regarding Monica Lewinsky, who did she and Bill bring to the White House for 'spiritual counseling?' THE REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT!"

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=225


Posted by: Seymour Butts | April 26, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Blacks always, without fail, vote in ninety percent blocks. That is why they have no political clout. The Democratic party has, and will continue, to take them for granted. Their votes are a given.

Do you really think Hillary would have gotten the black vote with Obama running? If Bill had acted like a perfect gentleman and race was never uttered in any context, the black vote *still* would have gone to Obama. If Hillary farted into a microphone, even that would have ultimately been parlayed into a "betrayal" of the black vote. Wake up. The Clintons (and I am no fan of the Clintons) had no chance in hell for the black vote as soon as Obama become a contender.

Posted by: esmerelda thatcher | April 26, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Senator Barack Obama has organized one of the most diverse voter movements ever known to this country. Young, Old, Black, White, Hispanic, Asian, Republican, and Independents.

When the Clinton's recognized that they were losing because of the diverse coalition built by the Obama Campaign, in their desperation to win at any cost, played the "divide and conquer" card. (They are experts at that). When in reality, all Americans are suffering today. As opposed to blaming the actual culprit (George Bush) for the nations problems, we label Barack Obama (elitist: decoded-"uppity n-word"). This to in order to in flame the passions of a certain segment of the electorate.

SHAME ON YOU HILLARY AND BILL, SHAME ON YOU !!!

Kudos to my home-boy from South Carolina, Rep. Jim Clyburn

Posted by: CMS | April 26, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse


Well we are finally after all these months finding out who Obama is. And what we have seen of his character most of us do not like. If the press had done their jobs last year then Obama wouldn't have gotten this far.

What bothers me most about Obama is his juvenile tendency to whine and moan when he doesn't get his way or when someone asks him a tough question. Grow up Obama we don't need a spoiled brat in the white house. You think the campaign is tough? What are you going to do when a real crisis hits if you are president? Curl up and cry?

Hillary is a battle tested grown-up. You can be sure she won't run and hide when things get tough. She has already proved that. She is more of a man than Obama is.. sad.

Obama has yet to stand up to a tough situation. Of course our terrorist enemies endorse him, they know Obama is just a wimp.

Posted by: reason | April 26, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Very bad move on the part of Clyburn to issue blackmail threat if Obama is not selected. Makes me wonder what would happen if we had a black man in the oval office as President and something political decision greatly displeased the black community. Riots every month? I don't want to think that. We are still a democracy. Blacks are being offered great jobs these days. Don't bite the hand with the olive branch.

Posted by: Zaney8 | April 26, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

African Americans in US always want entitlement. African Americans are lazy and they don't work hard in school. Look at the Hispanics and Asians who came to US much later and had endured more hardship and their growth. As a group they supported OJ Simpson when it was very clear he killed his White wife. If democratic party is going to give into this demand then it will never get elected again. The presidency of Obama will be worst by any American President even worse than Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: martin | April 26, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Having read most of the comments on this blog, I think, part of the problem facing this nation, is the extent to which, most of us, Americans (even the educated ones), are functionally, illiterate!

All these years, African Americans, more than anyother voting bloc, have been the electoral bedrock of the Democratic Party. At the start of this nomination election, African Americans were solidly for Hillary Clinton. However, as she and her convicted perjurer, and sexual molester husband Bill Clinton started conducting themselves irresponsibly, African Americans started gravitating toward Obama.

Inspite of these facts, some idiots (and there are alot of you on this blog), somehow think, African Americans are demanding and thinking we are entitled to the nomination in 2008? Only people with the intelligence below an idiot's would express the anti-African American sentiments I have read on this blog.

You know what, how many years has this country been in existence, and how many African Americans have been elected president, or vice president? The answer is NONE! Is it because there has not been any, who is capable and competent enough? NO, and everyone of you, knows it. We have attended the same and similar schools with you, served on same branches of the military with you, laid down our lives with you, and made the same sacrifices you have made for our country, and possess the skills, knowledge and other competencies to attain the highest heights of achievement and honor in the land. Somehow, in recent history, only the Commonwealth of Virginia has had the decency to elect an African American. In the US Senate, there is only one African American, and one of only two in recent American history, the list of exclusion continues. We are not saying that are entitled to be conferred with these achievements and honors. Rather, we are saying, it is high time, Americans started treating each other based on objective factors, rather than fixation on pre-mordial sentiments -prejudice, skin color, ethnicity, gender and all these other nonsense. Quite contrary to the limited faculties of the idiots who claim, that African Americans are demanding the nomination, we are saying that the right thing should be done.

Sen. Obama has met and exceeded the burden of proof for his Party's nomination. Why are the undeclared superdelegates still holding out, declaring their support? The reason is: they did not believe he would have done so well, and now, they are stuck. I dare say, most of them have closet prejudice -they cannot afford to cast their support for an African American. But guess what, you are stuck!

In parting: this nomination election, and indeed, the 2008 general election would be a testament to how this nation that claims to be the bacon of freedom and democratic principles is hypocritical and phony?

While, many decent white Americans have voted in large numbers for Sen. Obama, we have noticed that most Hispanics, Asians and women, have not, and the reason is not the comparative qualities of Sen. Obama and Hillary Clinton. The main rationale has been race and gender.

After these several centuries of experience with democracy, is American still stuck in its old ways -prejudice and the primacy of skin color, race, ethnicity and gender? Time and the outcome of this election will tell.

Ignatius Anyanwu
California.

Posted by: Ignatius Anyanwu | April 26, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama has to stop campaigning and unite the party. This is what he does best. He has to bring different factions together, get them to realize that we all want the same things, and that inspire people to join forces again.

Can he do it? We'll see.

Posted by: Chris Stewart | April 26, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Race has always been an issue in politics. Bill Clinton made a mistake in South Carolina and the Obama rapid response team harped on it to great advantage in February. Bill brought it up again because the Republicans and ABC News have raised issues that have redefined Obama as a Black politician. Jeremiah Wright's statements on Bill Moyers have reinforced Obama's image as a liberal Black candidate who will say what a "politician" must say to get elected. However, this time Bill Clinton's complaints were intended to engender the Obama rapid response that Rep. Clyburn delivered.

In doing so Obama's rapid response team responded by employing what they thought were successful tactics. There is a great difference between tactics and strategy. With Obama being redefined and with Obama getting well over 90 percent of the Black vote the political landscape has changed dramatically since February. Clyburn is reinforcing the notion that Obama is the Black candidate. That may prove fatal to Obama. Obama's positives are falling and in a race between a Black candidate and a White candidate Obama fails. Simply put the Obama rapid response team and Clyburn should have let Bill's recent comments about the race card go unanswered because Clyburn's remarks have exacerbated the racial divisiveness that has surfaced by ABC News efforts. These efforts should not be mocked because the vetting of Obama before the convention is much better than done afterwards by the 527s.

One thing is certain, Obama's rapid response team should have eschewed the opportunity to send Jeremiah Wright on a rehab tour. Wright is a huge liability to Obama. Wright could not even handle the softball questions put to him by Bill Moyers. Wright affirmed his long standing connections to Louis Farrakhan and refused to even hint at an apology or admit some of his hate based racist and divisive statements were ill advised. The Republicans will expose Wright as an Muslim apostate who stated in his church bulletin last July, "my Masters Degree from the University of Chicago's Divinity School was in the area of Islam in West Africa during the 19th Century." With so much credible contradictory information about Obama's religious roots in Islam and whether Obama is a Muslim apostate the last thing Obama needs is for Wright to say anything publicly. A Black Muslim candidate is the definition that the Republicans seek to saddle Obama with. Pastor Wright's style and Rep. Clyburn's response to Bill Clinton contribute to the Republican efforts.

Is it possible that we Democrats are once again snatching defeat from the hands of victory in 2008?

Posted by: Kev25 | April 26, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

"Mexican President"

Your comment is the most unintelligent remark on this blog! No amount of education would mitigate your rank stupidity, so I am not even going to try to tell you how foolish and unintelligent your comment makes you appear.

Posted by: Ignatius Anyanwu | April 26, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Hillary voted for the war. Consequence: our economy is destroyed and 4000 of our kids are dead. She showed her toughness by making up a lie about dodging sniper fire in Bosnia. Consequence: she cannot be trusted with the job of President.

Posted by: DAVE | April 26, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Veiled threats by Rep. James Clyburn. Yes it is - no doubt. Hopefully Hillary Clintons all African American supporter are well aware of that. I am one of them. A wily way of human division. BLACK AND WHITE MEN ARE MORE ALIKE THAN MEN AND WOMEN. Most men of all colours are troublemakers.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Veiled threats by Rep. James Clyburn. Yes it is - no doubt. Hopefully Hillary Clintons all African American supporter are well aware of that. I am one of them. A wily way of human division. Black men/women are more alike than men/women. Most men of all colours are troublemakers.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

This is what making Clyburn nervous. Obama's lead against Hillary had vanished after Pensylvania and is now tie with Hillary 47% and Obama 47%. Before Pennsylvania Obama was ahead by 10-11 points nationally.

Also, Hillary now leads McCain 47% to 44%. While Obama VS. McCain is just a tie at with both candidates at 45% nationally.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106825/Gallup-Daily-Clinton-Obama-Tied-47.aspx

If Clyburn doesn't like this results, he can keep his vote to himself.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

What happened to critical thinking? Is it dead in this country? The media prints something and the majority of you take it for truth and post the stupidest comments (and I hate to use the word stupid in any form but I am amazed everyday how it's displayed in these postings).

I have been monitoring these comments for weeks now, some of them are sad and some of them are comical, but none touch upon the issues that are important to us all, the issues that will improved the quality of life for us all.

If you all are representative of the thinking in this country, we are doomed. I want better for my children and grandchildren. I am TIRED of the race baiting and the ignorance.

This country was founded on land taken from Mexicans and Native Americans. It's labor base started with white indentured servants and then captured enslaved Africans. Chinese helped to build the railroads and then were brutalized when they competed for jobs. Germans, Irishs, Jews have suffered when they came to this country. Japanese-AMERICANS were interned in camps during WWII. Arab AMERICANS are now facing the discrimination that the ancestors of many of us have felt. Latinos/Hispanics are getting their share of discrimination. Anyone who's poor no matter their race of ethnicity is in for a rough ride in this country. Women and children in this country have endured hardships from the time Jamestown was settled to this day.

People are throwing the word elitist around like it's a curse word. News flash, the white founding fathers of this country were ELITISTS. Our political system is set up the way it is because they didn't think the uneducated general public could make informed decisions about leadership in this country. By the way, the asinine comments I have read for the past few weeks only proves that the white founding fathers were correct.

Time for everyone to take a break. Stop talking, stop writing and start thinking, thinking about everything that has brought us to this point. Do some research on the history of this country and have a good cry. Think about what's being printed in paper and online newspaper, aired on the radio, broadcasted on television and question why a specific news piece is being put out to the public. What is the point of the some of these "news" pieces?

Time to wake up my fellow Americans.

Much love to you.

Posted by: Saddened American | April 26, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

S.W. Butts
What about HAMAS, Barack Obamas foreign freinds?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

As far as I'm concerned all you are oh SO upset by what Rep Clyburn said, please vote for Clinton and/or McCain. Go ahead. You've already given us Bush and look what a great country we've become. Not.

The Clintons and the Republicans know just how to push your buttons, keeping you from realizing they are using your hatred to remain in power and pick your pockets. Oh yeah, they laugh at you...as their depositing their big ol' paychecks in the bank.

Posted by: Big Al | April 26, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

I am neither white nor black. Congressman Clyburn may be devoid of a talent for being articulate, but what he has said is a simple truth. The flurry of vehement accusations posted here seem to stem from the fact that he hit a sore point of the blind Hillary supporters, who possess dubious sense of fairness and morality. What Clyburn has pointed out should have been addressed by the useless and gutless talking heads of the media long time ago.

Posted by: csahn | April 26, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

If Clinton whispers "RACE" she is an awfull racist. Obama on the other hand is FREE to talk about his white grandmother, his black father, his own skin whenever its suits his purposes. Obama wants himself to be associated with the great Martin Luther King. Obama is far to wily and ingratiating to be believed in. Not all Obama supporters are racists but most of them are ....

Obama makes everything he can to MINIMIZE Hillary Clinton. Literally and metaphorically. He is arrogant and looks down at her. BUT Hillary Clinton is a female Politition of extraordinary talents and strength. She knows about politics and does not allow herself to be provoked!

About the nomination. Somebody wrote:
"Obama supporters. Russian set phrase: "Don´t sell the skin before the bear is being shot"! Furthermore, all citizens in Florida and Michigan have the right to make their voice heard. ONE MAN/WOMAN - ONE VOTE IN THE WHOLE UNION.

Posted by: Elisabeth II | April 26, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Finally, I want to say a word about the basic decency I have seen in Mr. Obama. Mrs. Clinton continues to throw the Rev. Wright up in his face as part of her mission to keep stoking the fears of White America. Every time she does this I shout at the TV, "Say it, Obama! Say that when she and her husband were having marital difficulties regarding Monica Lewinsky, who did she and Bill bring to the White House for 'spiritual counseling?' THE REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT!"

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=225

Posted by: S.W. Butts | April 26, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

If Clinton whispers "RACE" she is an awfull racist. Obama on the other hand is FREE to talk about his white grandmother, his black father, his own skin whenever its suits his purposes. Obama wants himself to be associated with the great Martin Luther King. Obama is far to wily and ingratiating to be believed in. Not all Obama supporters are racists but most of them are ....

Obama makes everything he can to MINIMIZE Hillary Clinton. Literally and metaphorically. He is arrogant and looks down at her. BUT Hillary Clinton is a female polition of extraordinary talents and strength. She knows about politics and does not allow herself to be provoked!

About the nomination. Somebody wrote:
"Obama supporters. Russian set phrase: "Don´t sell the skin before the bear is being shot"! Furthermore, all citizens in Florida and Michigan have the right to make their voice heard. ONE MAN/WOMAN - ONE VOTE IN THE WHOLE UNION.

Posted by: Elisabeth | April 26, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

This guy Clyburn is arrogant at best!!!

Yes I agree Bill Clinton had done a lot more work and assistance for the African American in the USA and all over the World VS. Clyburn, Donna Brazil and Obama combined.

Another Black Delegate and an Officer of the DNC who pretends to be undecided and neutral at this time is Donna Brazil. She wants people think that she is but every time she opens her mouth she was pumping for Obama.

Go Obama!!!

Posted by: Nilo98 | April 26, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

over the past two months, the actions and words of Hillary Clinton have gone from being merely disappointing to downright disgusting. I guess the debate last week was the final straw. I've watched Senator Clinton and her husband play this game of appealing to the worst side of white people, but last Wednesday, when she hurled the name "Farrakhan" out of nowhere, well that's when the silly season came to an early end for me. She said the "F" word to scare white people, pure and simple. Of course, Obama has no connection to Farrakhan. But, according to Senator Clinton, Obama's pastor does -- AND the "church bulletin" once included a Los Angeles Times op-ed from some guy with Hamas! No, not the church bulletin!

This sleazy attempt to smear Obama was brilliantly explained the following night by Stephen Colbert. He pointed out that if Obama is supported by Ted Kennedy, who is Catholic, and the Catholic Church is led by a Pope who was in the Hitler Youth, that can mean only one thing: OBAMA LOVES HITLER!

Yes, Senator Clinton, that's how you sounded. Like you were nuts. Like you were a bigot stoking the fires of stupidity.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=225

Posted by: Seymour W. Buttts | April 26, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

THE HARD COLD TRUTH THAT WE AS ANATION MUST FACE IS AFTER YEARS OF SUPPRESSION BLACK PEOPLE JUST DONT LIKE WHITE MEN! THEY ARE VOTING 90% FOR OBAMA DO THE MATH!

Posted by: BLACKS RACIST | April 26, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse


Here, then, are 10 reasons for a Democrat, Independent or even Republican to prefer Hillary to any other candidates.

1. Hillary grasps economic concepts: knowledge a president will need in January -- given our nation's debt, job loss, credit crunch, recession....

2. Hillary has a plan to get us out of Iraq, a plan that the 34 flag rank military officers who endorsed Hillary also find impressive.

3. Hillary has a health care plan that offers the broadest coverage for Americans.

4. Hillary's Senate committee assignments encompass a wide array of issues -- including veterans affairs, education, military issues, labor, health, and the environment -- which give her a solid foundation from which to help shape public policy.

5. Hillary understands foreign policy and has dealt with officials from dozens of other nations. This will be useful, as our nation tries to solve problems with nations of the Middle East, Africa, South America, Europe....

6. Hillary has broad support among American voters, evinced by her wins in the primaries of big states (e.g., California and New York) and swing states (e.g., Florida and Ohio). In short, Hillary's in a good position to compete with John McCain.

7. Hillary has demonstrated concern for fellow Americans -- starting with her civil rights activities during college and her work during the seven years after college, which she devoted to public service (instead of taking her Yale law degree straight to lucrative arenas).

8. Hillary has broad life experience. As well as public service, she has experience in private law practice and the corporate realm, which gives her the perspective needed to help reconcile our nation's many competing interests.

9. Hillary has learned how to get things done in Washington, both as a second-term senator and as a First Lady. For seven years, she has worked with members of Congress, some of whom had been nasty to her family. Hillary put aside the personal stuff and worked on getting things done.

10. Hillary is strong, resilient, and tenacious. She has faced more scrutiny and ugly attacks than most politicians, yet she's still standing. Better than that, she's still fighting. That's the spirit a president needs in order to solve the many grave problems our nation faces. (D. Cupples, Buck Naked Politics Politics)

The next president is going to have a hard, nasty slog cleaning up after Bush. Why put Obama through it? He only thinks he wants to be president right now because he hasn't seen close-up with the job involves. Save him and his glamour and aura and fabulousness for the next election cycle, after he's shown that he can stand up to harsh scrutiny as well as Hillary.

Posted by: Sycamore, VA | April 26, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

TOP TEN REASONS HILLARY SHOULD BE PRESIDENT

10. SO SHE CAN SIGN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER OUTLAWING MOVEON.ORG

9. RUSH LIMBO SEC. OF EDUCATION

8. SHE WILL RAISE McCAIN A NUKE ATTACK TO HIS BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB BOMB IRAN SONG

7. SO BILL CAN FIND THOSE EARINGS HIS FRIEND LOST ON AIRFORCE ONE

6. HILLARY CLINTON CURED DISCO FEVER

5. THE CLOSETS IN THE WHITE HOUSE ARE LIKE TOTALY CLUTTERED

4. SHE BELIEVES IN CHANGE - OF THE NOMINATION RULES AND HAS CREATED NEW MATH

3. ONE WORD, PANTSUITS

2. SHE WILL END THE WAR BY FALLOUT FROM NUKING IRAN


THE NUMBER ONE REASON HILLARY SHOULD BE PRESIDENT;


1. TO PISS OFF DICK MORRIS

Posted by: TOP TEN REASONS | April 26, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

"if they feel they're being used" Wake up, there is no "if", Obama has used AA's since day one of his campaign. He has injected race at every opportunity and created the opportunity where none existed. The black vote has been exploited by Sen Obama, but precisely because of this type of meme, no-one dares admit it.

Posted by: MelanieL | April 26, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

You said it. Blacks are dumb. Man what a statement. I am-saying this, for that is what the USA thinks. Black, White Asian, what ever, your votes count to make a better world. Lets just say, a world of TAN. We are all the same. Wayne from Canada.

Posted by: Justada55 | April 26, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

This is complete and utter nonsense. It was the Obama campaign (NOT the Clinton campaign) that started this nonsense before the South Carolina primary and I can see that they want to start this again before the North Carolina primary. It's the Obama campaign that's been race-baiting for obvious personal gain. Shame on Mr. Obama and his campaign team for these ruthless tactics. They're utterly shameless.
Sincerely,
Jeff Hedgess

Posted by: Jeff Hedges | April 26, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I voted for all Gore but will never do it again if he becomes a nominee in the future.

The guy is arrogant and too proud to be President.

Where can you find a candidate for President who can not win his own state?

If he only embraced the Clinton economy and let Clinton campaign for him in Arkansas and Tennessee, the result of the 2000 election could have been different.

With an economy as good as it was at the time, he lost it when he uttered the words "I AM MY OWN MAN" and "LOCKBOX."


Posted by: Sycamore | April 26, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

But(t) my middle name is "White"! I am one of thos bitter folks.

Seymour White Butts

Posted by: Seymour W. Butts | April 26, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Seymour Butts?

Just by your name, I can tell you're the type that would be for Obama.

Congratulations on your immaturity and your ignorant decision.

Posted by: A common Obamacan? | April 26, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

WAKE UP AMERICA,BLACK PEOPLE PLAY SO NICE RACE GAME...period,

Posted by: agron | April 26, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

over the past two months, the actions and words of Hillary Clinton have gone from being merely disappointing to downright disgusting. I guess the debate last week was the final straw. I've watched Senator Clinton and her husband play this game of appealing to the worst side of white people, but last Wednesday, when she hurled the name "Farrakhan" out of nowhere, well that's when the silly season came to an early end for me. She said the "F" word to scare white people, pure and simple. Of course, Obama has no connection to Farrakhan. But, according to Senator Clinton, Obama's pastor does -- AND the "church bulletin" once included a Los Angeles Times op-ed from some guy with Hamas! No, not the church bulletin!

This sleazy attempt to smear Obama was brilliantly explained the following night by Stephen Colbert. He pointed out that if Obama is supported by Ted Kennedy, who is Catholic, and the Catholic Church is led by a Pope who was in the Hitler Youth, that can mean only one thing: OBAMA LOVES HITLER!

Yes, Senator Clinton, that's how you sounded. Like you were nuts. Like you were a bigot stoking the fires of stupidity.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=225

Posted by: Seymour W. Butts | April 26, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Seymour Butts?

The LEAST you could do is pretend you're not immature and pathetic.

Alos please fact check your're comment-you are 100% incorrect.

Posted by: Seymour??? | April 26, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

This just in Alice Palmer [ who Obama stole the Senate seat from in Illinosi} is supporting Hillary Clinton. A quote from the Chicago Tribune "A close examination of Obama's first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it.

One of the candidates he eliminated, long-shot contender Gha-is Askia, now says that Obama's petition challenges belied his image as a champion of the little guy and crusader for voter rights.

"Why say you're for a new tomorrow, then do old-style Chicago politics to remove legitimate candidates?" Askia said. "He talks about honor and democracy, but what honor is there in getting rid of every other candidate so you can run scot-free?"
Yeah this is the man the DNC has just become a prostitute for[ as in money for service]. "The Democrats' fund-raising deficit is why Sen. Obama recently agreed to set up a joint fund-raising account with the DNC -- to direct some of his donors' money to the DNC, a campaign official said."

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Finally, I want to say a word about the basic decency I have seen in Mr. Obama. Mrs. Clinton continues to throw the Rev. Wright up in his face as part of her mission to keep stoking the fears of White America. Every time she does this I shout at the TV, "Say it, Obama! Say that when she and her husband were having marital difficulties regarding Monica Lewinsky, who did she and Bill bring to the White House for 'spiritual counseling?' THE REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT!"

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=225

Posted by: Seymour W. Butts | April 26, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

This is ridiculous! African Americans will never desert the Democratic party in any kind of numbers.

Past indications and ideaology greatly exemplifies this as most of them will always go with those who will give them things, rather than have them work for them.

Keep pulling that race card Obama, prove me right. (Doing it through someone else like you've consistently been doing is the same as you doing it..we're not stupid)


Posted by: Tricia Charlotte, NC (repost) | April 26, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

"I may not know a lot about what drives some voters, but I know a little bit about African American voters," he said, in an interview with The Trail. "And if they feel as if they're being used, they'll stay away. They just won't engage in the process."

WHAT DO YOU THINK OBAMA IS DOING?

USING AFRICAN AMERICANS!!!

How ludicrous in not knowing this.

If anyone is being racist, it's these African Americans who are in the 90 percentile voting for "someone that finally looks like them."

Although it doesn't surprise me one iota, I think it's actually stabbing the Clintons in the back for all they've done for the African American community.

The sad part is that if Obama ever does get in the White House, the African Americans are going to be hit with the reality that he will do very little for them, whereas Hillary would always fight.

Come on, African Americans...how many times have you ate argula? Obama looks down his nose at you too.

Something else too: if Obama wanted to help and share the wealth, why did he consistently only give about 1% of his income to charity. Even I give a lot more than that.

Posted by: Gun-toting, Bible-thumping, Bigot | April 26, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

This is ridiculous! African Americans will never desert the Democratic party in any kind of numbers.

Past indications and ideaology greatly exemplifies this as most of them will always go with those who will give them things, rather than have them work for them.

Keep pulling that race card Obama, prove me right. (Doing it through someone else like you'be consistently been doing is the same as you doing it..we're not stupid)

Posted by: Tricia Charlotte, NC | April 26, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Funny stuff. What does Clyburn expect? Blacks vote 90% for the democratic party. They have marginalized themselves.

It is a sad state of affairs. 25%-30% of democratic votes are black votes. They are the democratic party. The question is why isn't their 12 -15 black democratic Senators?

The Democratic Party has marginalized the black voter.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Okay, let's reverse this and say, what has Obama done for African-Americans?

Posted by: Tommy | April 26, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

>>By the way, Pres. Clinton has done more for the blacks than BO and Clyburn - not only in America but around the world, especially in Africa!!

Rwanda?

Posted by: Ashok | April 26, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Clyburn is a racist and accuses Pres. Clinton of being one. No amount of bullying, threatening, blackmailing can make some voter vote for BO. He is not qualified but he feels he is entitled to be POTUS because he is black! Perhaps Clyburn wants to be VP to BO? Clyburn is the one making this presidential race all about race (blacks vs. whites). BO will lose, just wait and see. By the way, Pres. Clinton has done more for the blacks than BO and Clyburn - not only in America but around the world, especially in Africa!!

Posted by: risa dejesus | April 26, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

ranting ant aka 4truth - you demean yourself with the skin tone comment

Posted by: Ashok | April 26, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

If 90% of a voting bloc vote for a candidate simply because the candidate's skin tone is closer to theirs, that voting bloc deserves to be marginalized - because the only thing matters for that voting bloc is the skin color. Dr. King should've taught them a lesson!

Posted by: 4truth | April 26, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I feel threatened. I had to research to try and figure out why the black community felt the Jesse Jackson comment was an insult. I do not think it was. Race did not become an issue for me until wright and now Rep Clyburn. If you want race to be an issue....it will be.

Posted by: charlieb | April 26, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

CLYBURN IS RIGHT !!!!!!! The media diagnoses every demo....the old...young...rich....poor...educated....uneducated.... bowlers, gun toters and beer drinkers.....And somehow ALWAYS finds a way to give the advantage to Clinton. But just yesterday, the media finally began to raise the most incredible point in the whole race. HILLARY HAS LOST THE SUPPORT OF AN ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE !!!!!!!! Do you know how incredibly sad this fact is ? Hillary Clinton (who's husband was so loved as to have been called The First Black President) has alienated the black people of America to such a degree that there is no way blacks will support her EVER. This has nothing to do with Obama !!!! Keep in mind folks....Hillary started this campaign with 82% of the black support. But as blacks learned more about her (Goldwater Girl....Against Civil Rights Act of '64...etc.) combined with her LBJ statements and Bill's minimizing of Obama (fairy tale...Jesse won S.Carolina too...etc) blacks were shocked...and then incredibly offended by these revelations to a degree that can never be recovered. WE FEEL DECEIVED !!!! We hope that our friends of all races understand how we as blacks feel. This is the main story that needs to get out to the superdelegates. People across America are contacting the DNC 202-863-8000 to let them (and superdelegates) know that Hillary ABSOLUTELY KILLED HER ELECTABILTY. The truth is the truth !

Greg Jones
Blacks4Barack.org
(A Multi-Racial Organization...Dedicated To Truth)

Posted by: Greg Jones | April 26, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Finally, I want to say a word about the basic decency I have seen in Mr. Obama. Mrs. Clinton continues to throw the Rev. Wright up in his face as part of her mission to keep stoking the fears of White America. Every time she does this I shout at the TV, "Say it, Obama! Say that when she and her husband were having marital difficulties regarding Monica Lewinsky, who did she and Bill bring to the White House for 'spiritual counseling?' THE REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT!"

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=225

Posted by: Seymour W. Butts | April 26, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Yea, Mr. Butts, the old rev. sure hid his true feelings well, didn't he? With the help of his student Barack and the congregation.At least I can say that Hillary and Bill love this country and believe in all its potential!

Posted by: mp | April 26, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

>> would benefit more if he were to work the next 8/12 years and become more equipped to handle the responsibilities that the president will be given.

As with the present LaZyBoy-in-Chief or the 35 years experience of baking cookies and drinking tea with the coronation expecting Queen Royal?

(i)mp - get real!

Posted by: Ashok Madhar | April 26, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

So every time that Obama and his wife stick their foot on their mouth is Bill and Hillary's fault? Give me a break, Obama is in trouble because his lack of judgement in the company he keeps. If AA can't tell the difference is because they are the racist ones. 92% of AA in PA voted for Obama, how is that not racism? Or is it only when is white vs black that is called racism? The more we learn about Obama the less electable he is. Insinuating that the Clinton's are racist is the most ridiculous thing I have heard.

Posted by: anne | April 26, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Finally, I want to say a word about the basic decency I have seen in Mr. Obama. Mrs. Clinton continues to throw the Rev. Wright up in his face as part of her mission to keep stoking the fears of White America. Every time she does this I shout at the TV, "Say it, Obama! Say that when she and her husband were having marital difficulties regarding Monica Lewinsky, who did she and Bill bring to the White House for 'spiritual counseling?' THE REVEREND JEREMIAH WRIGHT!"

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=225

Posted by: Seymour W. Butts | April 26, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

HILARY CLINTON HAS A PROBLEM WITH TELLING THE TRUTH. IT WAS HILARY THAT SIGNED AN UNDERTAKEN THAT IF ANY STATE DECIDES TO HOLD THIER PRIMARIES OUTSIDE THE DNC APPROVED DATE "THAT THE VOTES WILL NOT COUNT" SOME SECTION OF THE PRESS CALLED SUCH A CONTEST AS A BEAUTY CONTEST. FOR HILARY TO TURN AROUND AND CLAIM VICTORY IN MICHGAN WHERE OBAMA'S NAME WAS NOT ON THE BALLOT AND FLORIDA WHERE BOTH DID NOT CAMPAIGN AND TURN AROUND TO SAY THAT SHE WON MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA IS NOT ONLY REDICULOUS BUT OUTRIGHT FALSEHOOD MET TO MISLEAD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
AMERICANS SHOULD TELL HILARY THAT WE CANNOT FALL FROM HER FAMILY TRADITION OF DECEIT AND FALSEHOOD AGAIN.

Posted by: tina ekhator | April 26, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse


Well, that sounded good last year, but over the past two months, the actions and words of Hillary Clinton have gone from being merely disappointing to downright disgusting. I guess the debate last week was the final straw. I've watched Senator Clinton and her husband play this game of appealing to the worst side of white people, but last Wednesday, when she hurled the name "Farrakhan" out of nowhere, well that's when the silly season came to an early end for me. She said the "F" word to scare white people, pure and simple. Of course, Obama has no connection to Farrakhan. But, according to Senator Clinton, Obama's pastor does -- AND the "church bulletin" once included a Los Angeles Times op-ed from some guy with Hamas! No, not the church bulletin!

This sleazy attempt to smear Obama was brilliantly explained the following night by Stephen Colbert. He pointed out that if Obama is supported by Ted Kennedy, who is Catholic, and the Catholic Church is led by a Pope who was in the Hitler Youth, that can mean only one thing: OBAMA LOVES HITLER!

Yes, Senator Clinton, that's how you sounded. Like you were nuts. Like you were a bigot stoking the fires of stupidity.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?id=225

Posted by: Seymour White Butts | April 26, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

It is an outrage that the AA community accused Bill of using the race card in SC.This whole campaign has been about Obama and his supporters twisting/spinning everything that Hillary or Bill said, insinuating they are both racists. It disturbs me greatly that so many AA's have literally turned their backs on the Clinton's who have helped them so much in the past. All they see is the color of Baracks skin without taking into account the fact that he is inexperienced and would benefit more if he were to work the next 8/12 years and become more equipped to handle the responsibilities that the president will be given. Lastly, I am sick and tired of the AA community trying to make me feel guilty for the past.I don't feel guilty because frankly I AM NOT!!How long do they want to keep us chained to that belief. Well I refuse to be chained.Until the AA community comes to grips with the past (it's history) and realize we cannot move forward by continually placing blame where blame is not due,we will never make any progress. We should never forget the injustices of the past but in order to move forward you have to focus on today and the future.Barack claims to be about change. I agree. He has already set the strides we have made in race relations back 10 to 20 years. He BREEDS HATE!!

Posted by: mp | April 26, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Folks, Clyburn is one man among millions in America. He doesn't and CAN'T speak for ALL AFRICAN AMERICANS, nor can Jesse Jackson, nor can Louis Farrakhan, nor can Al Sharpton, nor can T.D. Jakes, nor can Jeremiah Wright, nor can Adrian Fenty, nor can Marion Barry, nor can Denzel Washington, nor can Will Smith, nor can P.Diddy, etc. etc. etc. There are just too many complex black people in the country for that to be so.

White people need, no MUST stop getting so sensitive whenever a black person brings up the issue of race. It is in ignoring the issue that it has grown out of control. There needs to be a healthy discussion about race. Whites tend to draw a line in the sand and get defensive about an issue that, at it's heart, began due to their own actions. Own up to it and move on.

I am a black man and voting for Obama, not because he is black, but because I am sick and tired of the political landscape in Washington, D.C. Quite honestly, I think that there are some black Congresspersons that need to be replaced because of their ineffecitveness in moving legislation since regaining control over congress. However, that includes some white men and women as well. It is not HINGED on race.

When I see American people suffer, not just black or white, and look to a Congress that is unwilling or unable to do anything about domestic problems, I begin to feel that they fundamentally don't CARE about those issues.

I am voting for change, but not as a cliche' but because without it we render ourselves insane. It is insane to expect a different outcome using the same people and/or tactics.

Hillary and Bill Clinton are purposely trying to create a rift between white's and blacks in the democratic party not to win, but to ensure that even if Barrack wins the nomination, he will loose.

The Clinton's are looking for their next term opportunity in 2012 which would require that the Democrats loose this election. If Barrack were to win the nomination and the election, he would, most likely be in office through 2016. Hillary, but that time, would be too old to run. Them maybe not, enter John McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Hey folks, please keep in mind most of the worst comments on here are Lush Rambo right-wing nutjobs trying to sow dissention.

Dems stay united, no matter who the nominee is!

Go Obama--yes we can!

Posted by: stan | April 26, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

COUNTDOWN TO VICTORY
298 OBAMA
436 clinton
706 DELEGATES LEFT
300 SUPERS

LOOKING GOOD
FEEELING GOOD

GO NC GO IN
GO OBAMA

POPULAR VOTE DON'T MEAN JACK
AND BILL DOES NOT HELP AT ALL!!

ASK AL GORE!!!!!!!

Posted by: DELGATE MATH | April 26, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

stillenslaved, i never owned anybody and i have busted my arse working to support my family and country. go find somebody else to pay for your victimhood. i don't owe you squat.

Posted by: gunclinger | April 26, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I think Clyburn spoke on his own, not on behave of the black caucus in the House, which still have about a third of the members in support of sen. Clinton.
As the Dem. primaries proceeds, the percentage of blacks voting for Obama increases to 90%, indicating the blacks tends to vote as a group, while Obama's victory is only limited to center city, not the suburb and small towns. This is a bad trend for Obama to win the primary even if he holds the lead in pledged delegates.

Posted by: austin | April 26, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

God help us all!

What a bunch of hypocrites!!! What happened to Democrats being the party of tolerance?

When push comes to shove, there are people that wouldn't vote for God if (he/she) was of color or a female.

People may not be full blown racists or sexist; but they are tainted.

With all of the infighting, just ask the question.

How many years before Republicans would nominate a person of color or woman to run for President?

How many years before Republicans would have such strong support for a person or color AND woman running at the same time?

NOT,NOT NEVER

Take pride in the Democratic Party not lose site of it.


Posted by: jdmac3ct | April 26, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Popular Vote Gives Clinton an Edge

A Commentary By Michael Barone
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One thing many people haven't noticed about Hillary Clinton's 55 percent to 45 percent victory over Barack Obama in the Pennsylvania primary is that it put her ahead of Obama in the popular vote. Her 214,000-vote margin in the Keystone State means that she has won the votes, in primaries and caucuses, of 15,112,000 Americans, compared to 14,993,000 for Obama.

If you add in the votes, as estimated by the folks at realclearpolitics.com, in the Iowa, Nevada, Washington and Maine caucuses, where state Democratic parties did not count the number of caucus-attenders, Clinton still has a lead of 12,000 votes.

Moreover, she may be able to maintain that lead, despite an expected Obama victory in North Carolina on May 6, by rolling up big popular vote margins in West Virginia on May 13, Kentucky on May 20 and Puerto Rico on June 1. So it's likely that Clinton will be able to argue that undecided super-delegates should heed the will of the people.

Obama supporters can counter that claim with arguments of their own. Their candidate is ahead and will remain ahead in delegates chosen in caucuses and primaries. Michigan, where Obama was not on the ballot, and Florida have been disqualified by the Democratic National Committee for voting too early. Counting popular votes unduly discounts the results from caucuses, in which many fewer people participate than in primaries. And the Democratic Party can't afford to alienate the young and black voters who enthusiastically back Obama.

These arguments will probably prevail. Yet Clinton's popular vote lead is one piece of evidence that suggests that Obama will be a weak general election candidate. In national polls, neither Democrat seems stronger than the other: The realclearpolitics.com average of polls as this is written shows Obama leading John McCain 46 percent to 45 percent and Clinton and McCain tied at 46 percent apiece. But they don't run the same in different states.

SurveyUSA's 50-state polls released in March showed that electoral votes would go to different parties in 15 states depending on whether McCain was pitted against Clinton or Obama. And it is electoral votes that determine who will be president.

There are states where Obama runs stronger than Clinton. They include most of the West -- notably Colorado, a state Democrats lost in 2000 and 2004 but which has trended their way since. They include states in the Upper Midwest, like Minnesota, and New England states like Connecticut and New Hampshire, which Democrats won in 2004 but where Clinton seems weak.

But Clinton seems to run stronger than Obama in the industrial (or formerly industrial) belt, running west from New Jersey through Pennsylvania and Ohio to Michigan and Missouri. Obama's weakness among white working-class voters in the primaries here suggests he is poorly positioned to win votes he will need to carry these states in November. This is not a minor problem -- we're talking about 84 electoral votes.

Obama has also fared poorly among Latino and Jewish voters in every primary held so far. This is of consequence most notably in Florida, which has 27 electoral votes. In 2000, Al Gore won 67 percent of the vote in Broward County and 62 percent in Palm Beach County -- both have large Jewish populations. In this year's Florida primary, Obama lost those counties to Clinton by 57 percent to 33 percent and 61 percent to 27 percent. No Democrat can carry Florida without big margins in Broward and Palm Beach.

Obama's weakness among Latinos and Jews could conceivably put California's 55 electoral votes in play. Los Angeles County delivered an 831,000 vote plurality for John Kerry in 2004. Most of that plurality came from areas with large numbers of Latinos and Jews.

Barack Obama's 20-year association with his "spiritual mentor," the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, his "friendly" relationship will unrepentant Weather Underground bomber William Ayers and his remark that "bitter" small-town Pennsylvanians "cling to guns and religion" do not help him with any of these key voting groups. And his discomfort, evident in the Pennsylvania debate, when he is greeted with anything but adulation does not augur well for his ability to stand firm and show a sense of command in the face of the stringent criticism he is bound to receive as the Democratic nominee.

Hillary Clinton's current and tenuous popular vote lead may not persuade Democratic super-delegates to reject the candidate who has, after all, won more delegates in primaries and caucuses. But it may prompt some to think hard about Electoral College arithmetic.

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Popular Vote Gives Clinton an Edge
A Commentary By Michael Barone
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One thing many people haven't noticed about Hillary Clinton's 55 percent to 45 percent victory over Barack Obama in the Pennsylvania primary is that it put her ahead of Obama in the popular vote. Her 214,000-vote margin in the Keystone State means that she has won the votes, in primaries and caucuses, of 15,112,000 Americans, compared to 14,993,000 for Obama.

If you add in the votes, as estimated by the folks at realclearpolitics.com, in the Iowa, Nevada, Washington and Maine caucuses, where state Democratic parties did not count the number of caucus-attenders, Clinton still has a lead of 12,000 votes.

Moreover, she may be able to maintain that lead, despite an expected Obama victory in North Carolina on May 6, by rolling up big popular vote margins in West Virginia on May 13, Kentucky on May 20 and Puerto Rico on June 1. So it's likely that Clinton will be able to argue that undecided super-delegates should heed the will of the people.

Obama supporters can counter that claim with arguments of their own. Their candidate is ahead and will remain ahead in delegates chosen in caucuses and primaries. Michigan, where Obama was not on the ballot, and Florida have been disqualified by the Democratic National Committee for voting too early. Counting popular votes unduly discounts the results from caucuses, in which many fewer people participate than in primaries. And the Democratic Party can't afford to alienate the young and black voters who enthusiastically back Obama.

These arguments will probably prevail. Yet Clinton's popular vote lead is one piece of evidence that suggests that Obama will be a weak general election candidate. In national polls, neither Democrat seems stronger than the other: The realclearpolitics.com average of polls as this is written shows Obama leading John McCain 46 percent to 45 percent and Clinton and McCain tied at 46 percent apiece. But they don't run the same in different states.

SurveyUSA's 50-state polls released in March showed that electoral votes would go to different parties in 15 states depending on whether McCain was pitted against Clinton or Obama. And it is electoral votes that determine who will be president.

There are states where Obama runs stronger than Clinton. They include most of the West -- notably Colorado, a state Democrats lost in 2000 and 2004 but which has trended their way since. They include states in the Upper Midwest, like Minnesota, and New England states like Connecticut and New Hampshire, which Democrats won in 2004 but where Clinton seems weak.

But Clinton seems to run stronger than Obama in the industrial (or formerly industrial) belt, running west from New Jersey through Pennsylvania and Ohio to Michigan and Missouri. Obama's weakness among white working-class voters in the primaries here suggests he is poorly positioned to win votes he will need to carry these states in November. This is not a minor problem -- we're talking about 84 electoral votes.

Obama has also fared poorly among Latino and Jewish voters in every primary held so far. This is of consequence most notably in Florida, which has 27 electoral votes. In 2000, Al Gore won 67 percent of the vote in Broward County and 62 percent in Palm Beach County -- both have large Jewish populations. In this year's Florida primary, Obama lost those counties to Clinton by 57 percent to 33 percent and 61 percent to 27 percent. No Democrat can carry Florida without big margins in Broward and Palm Beach.

Obama's weakness among Latinos and Jews could conceivably put California's 55 electoral votes in play. Los Angeles County delivered an 831,000 vote plurality for John Kerry in 2004. Most of that plurality came from areas with large numbers of Latinos and Jews.

Barack Obama's 20-year association with his "spiritual mentor," the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, his "friendly" relationship will unrepentant Weather Underground bomber William Ayers and his remark that "bitter" small-town Pennsylvanians "cling to guns and religion" do not help him with any of these key voting groups. And his discomfort, evident in the Pennsylvania debate, when he is greeted with anything but adulation does not augur well for his ability to stand firm and show a sense of command in the face of the stringent criticism he is bound to receive as the Democratic nominee.

Hillary Clinton's current and tenuous popular vote lead may not persuade Democratic super-delegates to reject the candidate who has, after all, won more delegates in primaries and caucuses. But it may prompt some to think hard about Electoral College arithmetic.

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Posted by: Sycamore, VA | April 26, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

"I am very concerned that if we keep talking as if it doesn't matter ... that Obama gets 92 percent of the black vote ... since he only got 35 percent of the white vote, he's in trouble. Well, Hillary Clinton only got 8 percent of black vote. [That's] like saying that 92 percent, they don't matter."

Yes, and there are only 13% Blacks in the overall population. They may win a close election but otherwise, the real question is who will the majority of Americans, the other 87% vote for? Not Obama.

Matthew
TheProblemWithObama.com

Posted by: Matthew Weaver | April 26, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Clyburn,

The democratic rule is that to be nominated one has to gather 2025 delegates whether pledged which is 80% of the votes. In the absence of that happening, the superdelegates (20% of the votes) come into play.

Unfortunately again either Obama or Clinton will not complete the pledged delegates needed to win the nomination therefore the Super Delegates will come into play. I don't know who in their right minds will design such a screwed up system but that's the way it is right now.

The Obama campaign knows this so that they're trying everything to suppress the votes in Florida and Michigan. For without them, his changes of winning is enhanced even more.

It's funny that the Republicans are straightforward on this. And if the Democratic Party uses the Repuplican Sytem Hillary will be way over on the Pledged Delegate counts to be the democratic nominee.

Also what kind of system will award more delegates to a candidate even if somebody wins more of the popular votes like what happened in Texas. Hillary won the popular votes but Obama got more delegates. Only because the Black votes in some of the districts are counted more and are assigned more delegates than White or Asian or Hispanic Americans.

So please stop the WHINING already. Also is it a coincidence that Clyburn was doing this now to offset any effect from the Black Votes in North Carolina because Ms. Maya Angelo, a very respected Black Poet had endorsed Hillary Clinton 2 days ago.

Posted by: Nilo98 | April 26, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

I would like to warn Mr Clyburn, my vote matters also. If he thinks veiled threats will get my vote he had best re-assess his facts, I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR OBAMA! got that Rep Clyburn, blacks are not the only voters that count, GOT THAT CLYBURN!.

Posted by: Marcel | April 26, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA HATES LATINOS!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:24 AM | Report abuse

I hate America. I go to a church that compels its congregation to shout, "God Da*n America."

By the way, I'm Chicano. I should totally be in office.
All I need now is some elite white liberals who are of touch with the people, a terrorist connection, a racist wife, and I need a super-corrupt friend who will donate cash and sell me a house. I also need to work on my lying skills. Did I mention that I hate America, but I'm a unifer. Vote for me.

When I was a child, my mother told me there would never be a Mexican or a Chicano in the White House. Now I know how I can get there. And who said this wasn't the land of opportunity? Only in America.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:23 AM | Report abuse

Way to go Clyburn, drag out that old race card when you think it benefits you, then blame it on the Clintons. Get a life man, unfairly taring the Clintons with the stench of racism is not in the best interest of any of us, and speaks volumes about yourself.

You sir are willing to trash two of the best friends the black community has ever had when it serves your purpose. Words have consequences and your words have done more to hurt your candidate(yes your candidate, your as committed as can be to Obama)than help. I was leaning toward Obama, had actually donated to his campaign, but his obvious lack of experience and the willingness of his supporters to say/do anything has changed my mind. I cannot support someone just because he is black, being black is not a qualification, sorry......I must go with Clinton.

Posted by: Ronny G | April 26, 2008 8:17 AM | Report abuse

Dear Rep. Clyburn:

You think Obama cares so much about the black population then read this article. He doesn't give the black media the time of day because he's chasing the white vote and just taking the back vote for granted. This is for the same reason that he didn't bother to show up at the Black State of the Union Address. Obama is using the African American community to meet his own agenda. If he's snubbing you now, he'll be snubbing you even if he gets the nomination, then what? Will you be satisfied by trying to destroy the reputation and work of the Clintons in the African American community, while trying to elect a man that doesn't even care about your community? Bottom line, Obama is in this race for no-one other than himself. The link to the article is below along with a synopsis. Please take a few minutes to read it.

Obama Snubs Black Media
Presidential Politics 2008 - Obama
Wednesday, 23 April 2008
by Betty Pleasant

The Black press is just as enthusiastic as African Americans in general at the prospect of a Black man becoming the next occupant of the White House. But Black newspaper owners also expected that they would be beneficiaries of what is already the most lavish campaign advertising budget in history: Barack Obama's bulging war chest. Instead, Black publishers say they have been locked out of Obama's advertising game plan - and even shunned in their attempts to cover the Obama operation. The Illinois Senator's handlers - and maybe the man himself - "think that we as black people are so anxious to get a black president that we'll support him no matter what," said one editor. "So why waste money on us?"

http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=599&Itemid=1

Posted by: John | April 26, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse


OBAMA HATES ASIAN PEOPLE

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

PF Chang,

Asian Americans Matter - at least to Republicans. Vote out the Democratic controlled Congress, and vote McCain.

Posted by: Real Clear Politics | April 26, 2008 8:10 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to leave the Democratic Party. The only minority group the Dems care about is blacks.

Posted by: PF Chang | April 26, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

This proves that Clyburn is in cohoots with the Obama campaign. This is a tactic to get the Black population all fired up and get more votes for Obama. If I see it as a lowly citizen why doesn't the Press see this and ask the question of Clyburn why all of a sudden he is asking this questions and being so evasive with his answers. The public sees through this. Believe me!

Posted by: Gail | April 26, 2008 8:06 AM | Report abuse

Everyone that doesn't bow down to the Messiah, named Obama, is now considered a RACIST by influential African Americans. These are not leaders, they are users, users of people to push their own agenda. Let me be clear about this Rep. Clyburn, 92% of African Americans voting for Obama merely because he is black. That is also racism. So, before you go accusing white people or the Clintons, who have been good to you and African Americans, take a look at your own community. To threaten the Democratic party over race relations if Senator Clinton gets the nomination is just sickening. Rep. Clyburn, your statements are the reason that I WILL NEVER vote for Obama. Not because he's black, but because you and others have made it publicly clear that somehow he deserves it because he's black. By the way, did Obama attend the Black State of the Union address? NO, He stated he was too busy campaigning. Senator Clinton took time out of her schedule to attend, but I guess you don't want to admit that, given that Tavis Smiley, an African American, dared to complain about Obama's not showing up, was sent death threats by none other than his fellow African Americans. Or Michael Nutter, African American Mayor of Philadelphia, endorsed Hillary Clinton and he got so much HATE mail that he had to shut his e-mail system down. This hate was also coming from his fellow African Americans. I'm sorry Rep. Clyburn, but I agree with an earlier post, you and others have set race relations back for generations.

Posted by: Anne | April 26, 2008 8:02 AM | Report abuse

As a Democrat, I do take this as a veiled threat from a man who should know better. The biggest kicker is that he states that he is neutral in the race for the candidacy. He knows that the media has twisted Bill Clinton's words and declared it to be racism and Obama is using the race card quite effectively. There will be a backlash alright. But it won't be from the AA community, but from regular democrats who know better and can see what is going on. These comments, just in time to inflame the AA voters in North Carolina just in time for their primary. Give me a break. Can't Obama just win on hope alone? No.

Posted by: Glennmcgahee | April 26, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse


YES WE CAN DIVIDE THE COUNTRY! OBAMA '08!! RACISM WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Fight the facts all day long and it come down to dealing with them.
NO DEMOCRAT HAS EVER WON THE OFFICE OF PRESIDENT WITHOUT THE BLACK VOTE.
oH THAT OTHER LITTLE PESKY FACT? According to another little pesky rule? The Democratic nominee is elected by the number of delegates....and the suspers know both of the above.

Posted by: Deanna | April 26, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Dont Conform,

I like your straw man argument. Look at my post above, no where did I say that black civil rights don't matter.

I was commenting on the different approaches that Latinos, Asians, and African Americans have in regards to racism in America.

While African Americans seem to approach racism with more extreme racism, Asians and Latinos try to succeed in spit of the racism and work hard to be good Americans.

And the result, white Americans listen to blacks complaining and bit*ching and blaming everyone but themselves for their mistakes. Meanwhile no one pays any attention to Latinos and Asians.

It seems the message that white Americans are sending to non-black minorities is, you don't matter unless you say, "God Da*n America" and blame everything on whitey.

Maybe thats the path we should take, and comments such as yours and other comments by other white Americans defending Wright's anit-American words make me believe that this is the way to achieve acceptance in American society.

Posted by: Mexican President | April 26, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Mexican President.. African Americans made it possible for Latinos to have rights. How dare you make the case that black civil rights doesn't matter!

Posted by: Dont Conform | April 26, 2008 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Here comes round #589 of the race card being played by the Obama camp.

Posted by: JoeCHI | April 26, 2008 6:50 AM | Report abuse

I'm WHITE AND GUESS WHAT I MATTER AND MY VOTE MATTERS!!! Rep. Clyburn CLAIMS TO NOT ENDORSE EITHER CANDIDATE AND WHAT THE HELL DID HE DO TODAY--HE ENDORSED THE BLACK CANDIDATE. I wonder who are all these people who were complaining about this run for Pres. he supposedly talked too--he has been spouting off since the S.C. primary I'm sorry, he is not an honest broker. I wonder how the other members of the black caucus who support Sen. Clinton feel about this attempt at blackmail. I guess Representitve Tubb-Jones from Ohio a black woman who supports Sen. Clinton and is out there fighting for Sen. Clinton feels about this stupid attempt at forcing Sen. Clinton out of the race. I am sad to say if Sen. Clinton by some LEGAL WAY wins this contest AND THE BLACK COMMUNITY WANT TO WALK AWAY I SAY LET THEM> IF THEY DON'T VOTE AND IF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY wins the election THEY OUGHT TO KNOW THEY WON'T GET anything from McCAIN or anyone in his administration or anything from the House or Senate. They will have destroyed ALL THE GAINS THEY HAVEACHIEVED AND REV> KING"S fight for those gains will be meaningless If they walk--they walk and life goes on and hopefully the black community including the Rev. Bigot and Obama will see the light and talk about what is important to ALL AMERICANS WHO MATTER AND NOT ONLY TO THE OVERSENSITIVE BLACK COMMUNITY.

Posted by: vergens2 | April 26, 2008 6:42 AM | Report abuse

Today, Latinos and Asians experience more racism than African Americans. And you have to be kidding me, Latinos and Asians have experienced outrageous racism in the past. The thing is, white Americans are not exposed to it and won't be. Operation Wetback for one against Latinos.

The Chinese helped support Manifest Destiny and built the railroads on their backs so whites could continue to commit the genocide of Native Americans. We "rewarded" the hardworking Chinese-Americans with the Chinese Exclusion Act. We interned loyal Japanese-Americans who ended being some of the most decorated soldiers in WWII. While their families had their home stripped and were kept in horse corrals, their sons were fighting so that Americans would be free from Nazi imperialism. The only atomic bombs were dropped on the Japanese people. Their people today still suffer from the radiation poisoning.

Today, white people refuse to recognize other minority groups besides blacks. Anytime a black civil rights leader, or a black politician, black hip hop artist, or athlete calls America racist, white America jumps.

Latinos and Asian Americans have been silent for too long. The problem has been we have been trying to be "good Americans." We work hard, hold ourselves accountable, and live the American Dream of creating a better life for our children. Well frankly, I'm tired of being ignored. Seems like the only way to get white America's attention is by saying, "God Da*n America" This is what I learn from black people. The American Dream is dead, and its dead because of racist black people and elite whites who are stupid enough to buy into their bs.

Posted by: Mexican President | April 26, 2008 5:46 AM | Report abuse

No is asking for affirmative action for the presidency! He is beating her fair and square. The comments about black people rioting and looting (you people meaning ignorant people should just go away)bye bye now.

Posted by: J. Dima | April 25, 2008 8:06 PM

It was fair until we learned he was keeping a big racist secret/ oh yeah it wasn't a secret in the black community, it's out now.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 5:34 AM | Report abuse

The 44th President of the United States

President Barack Obama

.

That never was because he was exposed as a racist/ Thank you Hillary for staying in when everyone told you to go.

Posted by: Us Voter | April 26, 2008 5:17 AM | Report abuse

OK... are we being blackmailed???
What # will be greater.
The blacks and far left activists sitting out the election should Hillary be the nominee
or
the working class whites and women sitting out the election should Obama be the nominee.
I won't vote for him in the general.
But don't call me a racist; I'm from TN and voted for Ford, Jr. recently.
But Obama is weak and we all know that the biased media hasn't properly vetted him. His associations are questional and speak to character. And he has constantly played the race card when he had tough experiences. Come on.
Now Clyburn doe it too. And we all know that the Clinton's aren't racist!!! Absurd!
The blacks are trying to fire up the NC blacks because they didn't get sufficient black #'s in PA. So they start this crap!

Posted by: Susan | April 26, 2008 5:07 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Us Voter | April 26, 2008 5:06 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, the DNC nedds to understand one thing all the democrats are going to hold them responsible for putting a racist in the white house.

Give me a break. If the shoe was on the other foot the leg would have been chopped off long ago. You know the truth in that.

He sat twenty years in a racist church. Period. A racist is a racist is a racist. Period. If more Americans would have been up to date on things like Black Liberation Theology and Nation of Islam black muslims it never would have gotton so out of hand.

But, everybody knows now. More and more are going to the web and looking this stuff up everyday.....Thanks Rev. Wright for cluing us in.

Posted by: Us Voter | April 26, 2008 5:05 AM | Report abuse

IMPEACH OBAMA!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 4:42 AM | Report abuse

Unbelievable Clyburn. Have you forgotten the attention and goodwill Bill Clinton has extended to the black community before Mr Obama showed up? You would think Obama was black or something.

If you want to go to the Obama side, just go, but don't be dragging President Clinton down with you.

I have respect and admiration for Bill Clinton, and if you had a memory, you would too.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 4:23 AM | Report abuse

Unbelievable Clyburn. Have you forgotten the attention and goodwill Bill Clinton has extended to the black community before Mr Obama showed up? You would think Obama was black or something.

If you want to go to the Obama side, just go, but don't be dragging President Clinton down with you.

I have respect and admiration for Bill Clinton, and if you had a memory, you would too.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 4:19 AM | Report abuse

It's the media that has marginalized the African American voters. The media is the one who goes on and on and on about the "white male voters", "blue collar voters", "white female voters", "Catholic voters", "young voters", "old voters", "under 50,000 voters", "over 50,000 voters". The media is obsessed with race and marginalizing everyone to create a story, that is the problem. They are the ones who decided to make a big issue out of Bill Clinton's remarks in S.C. and have played the tape over and over again. They were the ones who brought the issue back up with Bill Clinton the night before the Pennsylvania primary. I think outrage belongs mainly on the shoulders of the media. I don't hear either candidate saying that African Americans in this country do not matter, and that's what really matters.

Why is Obama off the hook on this, when he appears to be taking the African American vote for granted more than anyone? I don't see Obama courting the African American vote, it seems he just assumes he will get it, and so far, he's been correct. Hillary has been trying to reach out to African Americans and she also has apologized for Bill Clinton's and Geraldine Ferraro's remarks. If Rep. Clyburn needs an apology or something from Bill Clinton, he should take up the matter privately, in my opinion. Airing his grievances and threat like this is insighting more anger and division, and can appear politically motivated more than anything. I don't think Rep. Clyburn's interviews have been helping and have only hurt the party even more.

Posted by: M.B. | April 26, 2008 4:06 AM | Report abuse

I wish these so called leaders would stop instigating the race-baiting into this election. It will cost Obama a primary he would likely have won. I almost voted for him, but got tired of his campaign's negativity and divisiveness. What a con.

Posted by: Max Breed | April 26, 2008 3:42 AM | Report abuse

I think there is a big problem with the press continuously asserting that we've been having a discussion about race this cycle. The fact is, we have NOT had a discussion. We've had a speech from Obama. The last I heard, that's one-way communication from only one person's point of view. And we've had the rantings of Rev. Wright. And it isn't just the anti-American venom in his words, or the hateful and undeserved words about the Clintons, there is also his own racist rhetoric. There is also the continuing attempt by the Obama campaign to smear the Clintons as racists, calling Ohio voters "Archie Bunkers," and Pennsylvania voters xenophobic.

For me, that is the elephant in the room. It seems to me that this country has been more than gracious to Mr. Obama. The press has been nauseatingly servile in its attempt to excise even the appearance of any racism in anything that is said about him. Hillary has been continually gracious in her comments to him and about him. People have went to hear him speak with open minds.

And what is continuously coming from the Obama campaign? Racism, classism, and sexism. I'm sorry, just because it's directed at white people doesn't make it any more palatable. Racism is racism is racism. It isn't any prettier coming from a black person than it is from a white person.

And I think this is the crux of what will really sink Obama in the general. Oh there may be plenty of ivory tower liberals who want to prove they are not racists by voting for him. But ordinary people can feel it, even if they won't acknowledge it is there. And they aren't going to want that in their lives for the next 4-8 years. The sorry truth is that Obama was never post-racial at all. He is still filled with his suspicion of the other. And it is all to easy for him to ascribe his motives on them, without bothering to get to know them at all. This is not someone who needs to be president. This is someone who needs to work out his feelings about his parents and who he is. He doesn't need to be running a country.

Posted by: CDissonance | April 26, 2008 3:35 AM | Report abuse

It's like the boy that cried wolf too many times. LOL.

The Clintons are racist
Anyone not voting for Barack Obama is racist
Anything a non black person says is racist
If you question Barack Obama, you are racist
If you criticize Barack Obama, you are racist

Oh, and Jesse Jackson Jr., former Gov. Wilder and others have been warning us for months that there will be riots if Barack Obama does not get to be President.

Please spare us.

Posted by: Harold | April 26, 2008 3:33 AM | Report abuse

Noone is falling for this race-baiting just before a state with a large black population. Please don't insult our intelligence.

"And if they feel as if they're being used, they'll stay away. They just won't engage in the process."

Hahahaha. Good one. Barack Obama is exploiting the AA community and they are still voting for him.

Just what has Barack done for the AA community? Does he show up to any events? What did he do for Katrina victims? What about all those poor freezing constituents in his District? Or the seniors that died in the heat.

What a con man.

Posted by: James | April 26, 2008 3:26 AM | Report abuse

YES WE CAN DIVIDE AMERICA!!!! OBAMA '08!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 2:56 AM | Report abuse

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HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR

.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 2:51 AM | Report abuse

RE:

Hey moderators - you aren't doing your job on this thread. LOOK at it. Full of blatant and pathetic racism and hateful speech. What is WRONG with you people?? Is this really my country? It makes me sad to be an American

DON'T BE ALARMED!

All these posts are really from one or two people...and they're trying to incite racial hatred to get Hillary (or McCain..they don't care which) elected.

WHY?

...to get the wars that they want

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 2:49 AM | Report abuse

THE NAZI THEORY OF PROPAGANDA: TELL THE BIG LIE !

if you have a Black candidate...say HE'S the racist.

if you have a candidate that was raised poor, call him an elitist...

if you have a candidate who's Christian, call him a Muslim

If your candidate earned over 100 million dollars, call her friend of the working class.

If your candidate voted for a disastous war, claim that she will end it; and that she has better judgement and experience

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 2:42 AM | Report abuse

It's time for this country to push for more Latino and Asian leaders. We need more Asian and Latino CEO's, Congressmen and woman, Latino and Asian judges, and more Asians and Latinos in Hollywood, entertainment and the media.
We need an Asian or Latino President.

Posted by: Mexican President | April 26, 2008 2:16 AM | Report abuse

YOU TWO CAN SUPPORT RACISM. VOTE OBAMA '08. OUR TIME HAS COME!!! CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!! RACISTS OF AMERICA UNITE!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

To the individuals who seem to think that black people voting for Obama has somehow become a racist act:

I'm an example of such a person. I've been a consistent voter for the last 30 years and about 99.9 percent of the people that I've voted for have been white.

So along comes Barack Obama, a candidate who shares my progressive sensibilities; a candidate who shares my concern about the unfairness of the criminal justice system; a candidate who says he wants to reduce the influence of monied special interests in Washington -- a sentiment that I also strongly favor; a candidate who wants to elevate the level of political discourse -- something I also agree with; and oh yeah, a candidate who happens to be black like me.

So in an effort to destroy and marginalize the white community after almost exclusively voting for them throughout my life, I guess I will vote for this black guy who happens to share my views on number of issues and who is only one of a handfull of black people that I've ever voted for in my life. Some white people will be so shocked that black people are actually voting for a black person, that they will drive themselves insane, typing idiotic comments on message boards and wondering whether the revolution will be televised. Looks like my racist plan is working just the way I planned it.

Posted by: Whatthehellishappening | April 26, 2008 1:58 AM | Report abuse

Some of you people are absolutely incredible. You obviously do not understand that the most loyal voting bloc of the Democratic Party has been the African American vote. It has been that way for a long, long time NO MATTER WHO the Democratic Party put forward to run. The question is why was or has it been okay for the black vote to go exclusively to white candidates with no questions asked? Why is it that the media focuses on Obama receiving the black vote as a negative for Obama but it has never been viewed that way for the white candidate including Bill Clinton.

Rep. Clyburn is not race baiting and to the ignorant Democrats who claim he is and YOU will support Hillary Clinton, well, I submit you were not going to vote for Obama anyway so you just needed an excuse.

To all you so called Democrats who do not want to support Obama when he is officially the nominee but you will instead support McCain, thanks for nothing. You are not real Democrats anyway. Go back and read the history of this party since you are determined to vote for a white person, ANY white person no matter what that person intends to do to this country.

Unlike you so called Democrats, a true Democrat will vote for the Party's nominee because they understand the consequences of 4 more years of republicans. You have voted for the lesser of who you considered the two evils in this party before so what is stopping you now? Is it because Obama is half black and you do not recognize his half whiteness? Hypocrites...

Posted by: Yurdelite | April 26, 2008 1:33 AM | Report abuse

"I love Bill Clinton. It has nothing to do with his race. It has to do with the fact that he is a sincere, racially inclusive man..."

-- Iowatreasures April 26, 2008 12:55 AM

Racially inclusive?

I think not.

Bill Clinton has a preference for white women.

Monica Lewinsky, Gennifer Flowers. Paula Jones and Juanita Broaddrick are all white. He is not racially inclusive.

Is there more information out there that shows he is racially inclusive?


Posted by: white gal | April 26, 2008 1:33 AM | Report abuse

We talk about human rights in other countries, what about US, 2008 and race is still an issue. People of color can fight and die in wars but they cant run for President because of the color of their skin. Some of the comments are shameful, WOW.

Posted by: Kelvin | April 26, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

The bottom line is that Clyburn is merely trying to raise awareness about what many people are feeling, but what's getting little play in the media. I'm a person who has been voting for 30 years and out of the thousands of votes that I have cast, only one has been for a Republican. If the Democrats figure out a way to unfairly steal this election from Obama, I may never vote Democratic in a national election again; and I refuse to give up my hard earned right by staying home, so I guess the Republicans will have my support. Quite frankly, Clinton might have a tough time winning her Senate seat if she keeps up with the negative campaigning. That's just the reality. He's not asking her not to compete or not to try to win, he's merely pointing out the fact that if she continues with the "how low can you go" tactics, she might well have an easier time competing as a Republican in the future.

Posted by: Whatthehellishappening | April 26, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Hey moderators - you aren't doing your job on this thread. LOOK at it. Full of blatant and pathetic racism and hateful speech. What is WRONG with you people?? Is this really my country? It makes me sad to be an American.

Posted by: modcheck | April 26, 2008 1:25 AM | Report abuse

I am so sick of this racist BS! I earn a six figure income and a firm supporter of Barack Obama. I know he plans to increase my taxes but didn't really mind if those less fortunate than myself would somehow benefit... My spouse and I have college degrees and great health insurance benefits while both of my kids are pursuing advanced college degrees.

In reality, we should be Republicans but chose not to be a member of this party because of it's propensity to use race and gender to divide and win elections but is clueless about how to govern the country. I can choose to drop out of the process because it really doesn't which party wins or loses since I am find either way.

Unfortunately, economically disadvantage whites and blacks do not have this option. It is sad to see that the race of the century has come down to so much about racism and there is much blame to go around on both sides. Obama really needs to tell those people who did not support him initially because he was not black enough to stick a fork in it while Hillary needs to remind working class whites voters that there will be no universal health insurance or any help to their present economic plight unless there is a Democrat in the White House come January '09.

As for me, it really doesn't matter, but maybe it really does matter since our country's future is at risk and I am still posting comments on this site after midnight.

Posted by: Citystreet | April 26, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

This election process is not a reality game show people. Elections are serious and the results are real in the aftermath. I wish that others would not jump in and just let these political combatants/comrades battle this out one on one. Ali never one every round or every fight but he will greatness as a fighter is unquestionable. Let these candidates debate the issues as often as possible. All you media starved figures pull back please. The Clintons may have had their less than stellar moments in life, who hasn't? I can and wiil say in the Clintons defense that they gave time and attention to Black America when others looked the other way. OK, so Obama is the new person on the scene, charimastic, reasonably good speaker (I didn't say orator). They both have strengths and weaknesses. They are first human beings. Vote for one of the two based on their plans/solutions to the issues presently affecting this country today people not on race or gender. Political figure heads who trying to get all Blacks to fly moths into the light of the capmfire at Camp Obama don't realize that doing so is a racist act. Black people are wise enough and intelligent enough (like the rest of America) to vote for whomever they want. Obama is getting a fair share of of votes from the rest of America and they aren't Black.

Posted by: TyroneJonessr | April 26, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

SO IT IS TRUE that Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly are polygamists?

How else can you explain all these bigots offsprings who are here bashing Clyburn?

Posted by: Dan8 | April 26, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

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The 44th President of the United States

President Barack Obama

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

thank you iowatreaures

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 1:13 AM | Report abuse

After reading over most of these posts, my main emotion is profound sadness. The media is greatly to blame in this mess that the democratic nomination has become. Let's stop talking about demographics and which group voted for whom and just worry about counting the individual votes. Who cares if the voter is black, white, or any other color, male or female, young or old??Under our skins we are all the same. If they simply said which candidate won how many ,no one would think about who was voting for whom. No one would be asking why Obama can't reach blue collar low income whites, or why Clinton can't reach college educated higher income whites, or bowlers, or gun owners, or beer drinkers, or any of th other ridiculous categories the media has come up with. Just the numbers please.

Posted by: carrie | April 26, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Iowatreasures:

Brilliant as always!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

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HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

rjwash,

So well said!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

My comments are not about race. My comments are about the character of some men.

I do not like Clyburn. It has nothing to do with his race. I don't like him because he pretends he is not being a racist when he supports Obama.

I do not like Lewis. It has nothing to do with his race. It has to do with his supporting Obama only because he is black.

I love Mayor Nutter. It has nothing to do with his race. It has to do with the fact he is such a sweet man, and he openly supports Hillary, regardless of the repercussions because of race.

I love the Mayor of L.A. It has nothing to do with his race. It has to do with the fact he is articulate and says things the way I would say them if I had thought of them first.

I love Bill Clinton. It has nothing to do with his race. It has to do with the fact that he is a sincere, racially inclusive man. Bill Clinton has spoken out for AA's for as long as I have seen him in the public's eye.

I remember seeing him speaking about his support of black people when his stepfather owned a store in Arkansas - how his stepfather befriended the black people and helped them when he could.

Bill Clinton was comfortable being with the AA people, at their churches, and in politics, and in life in general. Bill Clinton taught me and others my age, by example, that it was o.k. to embrace black people, to respect them, to enjoy their company, and to wish them well.

Barack Obama, Clyburne, Jesse Jackson, Lewis, and others should be ashamed of themselves for turning so hatefully against their most trusted and loyal supporter for their cause and their people.

I am ashamed of the AA's who have joined in this witchhunt against Bill and Hillary Clinton. I am ashamed of Congressman Clyburn most of all, today. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures@Hotmail.com | April 26, 2008 12:55 AM | Report abuse

It is okay for some people that Mrs Clinton shamelessly tried to link Senator Obama to Louis Farakhan and Hamas during the philadelphia debate!
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What are you talking about? She did not try to link Obama to Farrakhan and Hamas. Where do you get this crap from?

Posted by: Stop Lying! | April 26, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

It is okay for some people that Mrs Clinton shamelessly tried to link Senator Obama to Louis Farakhan and Hamas during the philadelphia debate! No Republican brought those names up. Mean while her biggest supporter in Pennsylvania, Governor Rendell was the one that spoke so glowingly of Louis Farakhan. I am a black man and has completely lost any respect for the Clintons. They will lie, cheat and betray the people that stood by them in their darkest political period for power. Mrs Clinton had choice to walk away from man who not only humiliated her but chose to stay for power. If she is not married to Clinton she would not have been taken seriously as a candidate for president. I'm sure she had no choice but to remain in a sham marriage but Senator Obama had a choice as to whom should be his pastor! Any time I hear the Clintons talk I feel like taking a shower!

Posted by: John | April 26, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Clinton had good relations with the African-American community until a viable African-American candidate came along and suddenly she was racist garbage. They have throughout the primary voted for skin color above all other considerations. Now they demand that the interests of all other constituencies be subjected to their own or they will walk. No candidate should be given the nomination in an exercise of the madness of politically correct identity politics. Enough is enough.

Posted by: rjwash | April 26, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

It is okay for some people that Mrs Clinton shamelessly tried to link Senator Obama to Louis Farakhan and Hamas during the philadelphia debate! No Republican brought those names up. Mean while her biggest supporter in Pennsylvania, Governor Rendell was the one that spoke so glowingly of Louis Farakhan. I am a black man and has completely lost any respect for the Clintons. They will lie, cheat and betray the people that stood by them in their darkest political period for power. Mrs Clinton had choice to work away from man who not only humiliated her but chose to stay for power. If she is not married to Clinton she would not have been taken seriously as a candidate for president. I'm sure she had no choice to but to remain in a sham marriage but Senator Obama had a choice as to whom should be his pastor! Any time I hear the Clintons talk I feel like taking a shower!

Posted by: John | April 26, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

BARACK VOTED FOR CHENEY'S ENERGY BILL!! THAT'S WHY YOU'RE PAYING NEARLY $4.00 A GALLON. HE TOOK $46000 FROM OIL COMPANIES JUST LAST MONTH AND HAS TAKEN OVER $260,000 IN THIS CAMPAIGN. DO YOU THINK HE WILL LOWER GAS PRICES?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 12:45 AM | Report abuse

There is a good English word for such threat: blackmail.

Posted by: God Father | April 26, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

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HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Horse Manure!! Here is another equal opportunity demander! Will the blacks burn Newark again if Obama is not selected?

Posted by: John | April 26, 2008 12:32 AM
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No John, they will come to your house and loot your big-screen TV if he is not elected. Don't you know how it works by now? Act like you're outraged and loot your butt off! It's actually how many move up into the middle class.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse


Clyburn:

Why don't you be a leader?

Time for you to make a choice too!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Hey John,

If Obama wins will Whites come out in lynch Blacks in droves like in Oklahoma or Rosewood, Fl?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 12:38 AM | Report abuse

democrat4ever what posts do you not agree with?

Posted by: Hillary in '08 | April 26, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Horse Manure!! Here is another equal opportunity demander! Will the blacks burn Newark again if Obama is not selected?

Posted by: John | April 26, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Hi, I'm Hillary can Suck it, the Hag-Queen and although the real Hillary will emerge victoriou, I'll be left to suck it (Larry Sinclair). I want to to destroy this country with my own selfish ambition. I'll never get out of the race while I still have a name. Even if you don't want my destructive politics anymore.

Posted by: Hillary Can Suck It (AKA Barack Obama) | April 26, 2008 12:26 AM

Posted by: Barack Obama | April 26, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

This is completely slanderous and outrageous. The Clinton's are not racist and neither are those who don't support Obama. If anything Obama's candidacy as well as his speech have caused a greater divide between the races then ever. Obama has proven himself to be extremely divisive. This man should be banned from politics and his views disallowed. Obama and his campaign owe the American public an apology.

Posted by: Tobias | April 26, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

The increasingly childish, racists posts here absolutely disgust me. Do you think you're being funny or clever? Or worse--are you actually SERIOUS???

And some of you wonder why Reverend Wright made the remarks he did. Let me point to Exhibit A, right here....

Posted by: democrat4ever | April 26, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Wow, This article is hillarious! Clyburn is threatening Clinton with a vote that she is not even getting! Oooohhh, scary!!! What is wrong with this tard?

Does he really think that Hillary is afraid of not getting the votes of people that she's not getting the votes of? He is a disgusting individual that should never be reelected just for making this idiotic threat. Who does he think he is?

Posted by: HillYeah! | April 26, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Hillary the Hag-Queen will not emerge victorious. She wants to destroy this country with her own selfish ambition. Get out of the race while you still have a name, lady. We don't want your destructive politics anymore.

Posted by: Hillary Can Suck It | April 26, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Clyburn:

Why don't you lead, and make a choice too?

Posted by: jonathanR | April 26, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

AmeriKKKans

FOR

HILLARY

RETURN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BACK TO THE DIXIECRATS!

LET'S HANG 'EM HIGH AND SWINGING!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

New Theme Song for Florida and Michigan Voters:

We Shall Overcome!

Posted by: VotersMatter! | April 26, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Clyburn is right. Everyone's vote needs to be respected, and none should be ignored.

That includes those people who cast their votes in Florida and Michigan.

Posted by: Comment | April 26, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

NATION OF ISLAM

FOR

OBAMA


"Bill Clinton was good for us? Oh no, he wasn't!, Bill Clinton wasn't good for us. Bill Clinton was ridin' dirty." (Hip Thrust, Hip Trust! with Masturbatory Hand Gesture)

Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

I am Honored to Say I am With Hillary for the Long Run

by Dr. Maya Angelou4/24/2008 2:39:10 PMDear Friend:

I am writing to tell you about my friend, Hillary Clinton, and why I am standing with her in her campaign for the Presidency. I know the kind of president Hillary Clinton will be because I know the person she is.

I am inspired by her courage and her honesty. She is a reliable and trustworthy person. She is someone I not only admire but one for whom I have profound affection.

Hillary does not waver in standing up for those who need a champion. She has always been a passionate protector of families. As a child, she was taught that all God's children are equal, and as a mother, she understood that her child wasn't safe unless all children were safe. As I wrote about Hillary recently in a praise song: "She is the prayer of every woman, and every man who longs for fair play, healthy families, good schools and a balanced economy."

It may be easy to view Hillary Clinton through the narrow lens of those who would write her off or grind her down. Hillary sees us as we are, black and brown and white and yellow and pink and relishes our differences knowing that fundamentally we are all more alike than we are unalike. She is able to look through complexion and see community.

She has endured great scrutiny, and still she dares greatly. Hillary Clinton will not give up on you, and all she asks is that you do not give up on her. She is a long-distance runner. I am honored to say I am with her for the long run.

I am supporting Hillary Clinton because I know that she will make the most positive difference in people's lives and she will help our country become what it can be. Whether you are her supporter, leaning towards her, undecided, or supporting someone else, I believe Hillary Clinton will represent you - she will be a president for all Americans. It is no small thing that along the way we will make history together.

Posted by: Nilo98 | April 26, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse


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McClinton voted for the war

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

East Side Love, I think Clinton could care less about the African-American support, she's found her base with Whites, especially women, non-college educated, and blue collar. So I think she's washed her hands of them.

Posted by: Just the facts | April 26, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Let's face facts. If Obama was white with his second-rate Health Care Plan, he wouldn't get a second look from black voters. . . . .??

So that leaves me wondering, why are blacks voting for a less-qualified candidate -- who uses George W. Bush and Karl Rove's campaign book from the 2000 election??

Let's see the "Uniter" unite something . . . . like the Florida and Michigan delegation to the Democratic Convention.

Posted by: Coldcomfort | April 26, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

I am a lifelong Republican and I have to admit, I used to hate Hillary Clinton. I listened to Rush and Hannity for so many years that I thought she was evil incarnate. Guess what? I've had a change of heart.

I've watched her campaign and seen what a strong, determined and intelligent person she really is. I've come to the conclusion that she will make not a good president, but a great one! If she is given a chance, she make make all of us proud to be Americans again!

P.S. This Clyburn guy, is way off course with his threats. It will only hurt Obama more than he's already hurt.

Posted by: TexasT | April 26, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

AJ Blacks are irrelevant, don't get me wrong, candidates like to get their votes as it would put them over the top, but in this election, blacks aren't needed. Especially with the way White Women are voting.

Posted by: Hillary in '08 | April 26, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse


CLYBURN THREATENS that if Sen. Clinton continues...he will lose African American support.

My question to Mr. Clyburn - does Sen. Clinton currently enjoy African American support?

Posted by: East Side Love | April 26, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse


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Incite racial hate

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 26, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

DPGR now you did it...My gay friends were thinking about voting for your candidate...but not now. Anyway Hillary has promised to walk in their parade here in D.C.

Posted by: Religious, Bitter & Armed | April 26, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

What Rep. Clyburn said in April 2008 is the same similiar statements he made in January 2008, "Bill Clinton needs to chill out".

African-Americans were the most reliable voting bloc for Bill Clinton in the 1990s. The Clintons, especially Bill Clinton, seem to convey the notion that Hillary is entitled to be the Democratic nominee and President. If Hillary damages Obama too much such that the nomination is taken away from him (after winning the most pledged delegates, the most states/contests, and the most popular vote), many African-Americans (and young voters) will sit out the general election.

Some Hillary-supporters say they don't care about the black vote but if it os a McCain vs Hillary general election contest, McCain will rally enough conservative Republicans back to the base and gain Independents to beat Hillary's base Democratic support (without the Black vote).

Posted by: AJ | April 26, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

It's heartening to see all of the love for country shining through these posts.

Remember 9/11 there were no differences after it only oneness? The blood of all of those innocent people mingled together, dying as one. And some idiots post garbage on here and preach patriotism in the next breath. Hey but it's okay we have freedom of speech, the Constitution didn't garuntee freedom from ignorance.

Posted by: Terry | April 26, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Folks this is not even worth arguing over. There is no state in the Union where the black vote is going to matter. Neither will the Asian vote, the Latino vote, or Native American vote. It doesn't matter, Whites will come out in droves for Clinton. The Republicans aren't even totally satisfied with McCain. Hillary's a shoe in.

Posted by: Hillary in '08 | April 26, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

YOU just screwed up buddy!
My Fa_ friends WERE thinking about voting for your trash candidate!
Oh not any more! NO SUPER-DELEGATE FOR YOU!

Posted by: Religious, Bitter, & Armed | April 26, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

R,B,& A,
How ya going to Denver? You don't have a job....REMEMBER!

Maybe some of your Fa____ friends will drop you off on their way to San Francisco

Posted by: Demolition Party Grass Roots | April 25, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

You know, I've read all the posts here and I really just have to weigh in. I can't understand all the angst from black folks when it comes to the Clintons. Come on guys, these folks are not racists! Bill Clinton could have put his office anywhere when he left the White House. He chose Harlem because he knew it would revitalize the neighborhood. Which it did.

And, people, we cannot even begin to imagine how many black people's lives Bill Clinton's foundation has saved in Africa by funding affordable AIDS drugs. Do any of you even know about this? How about the financial support his foundation is giving to Brad Pitt to help rebuild the Lower Ninth Ward in New Orleans? I could write a book about Bill's support for us!Please people stop this idiocy! Bill clinton is no racist and neither is Hillary. She has spent her entire life helping underpriveledged people of all races.

Before you judge these good people, ask yourself, what has Barack done for the Black community? Compare the two. I'm sure you'll come away with a different view. You know what I find so special about the Clintons? They do all these good things and, yet, never brag about them. That's real.

By the way, I'm a proud black man who supports Hillary because she and Bill have delivered for us.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA VOTES ARE NOT BEING COUNTED. NOW TAHT IS RACISM BECAUSE THOSE STATES ARE MAJORITY WHITE.

WHY DID THE S.C.B.C. GET DONATIONS FROM OBAMA $16,500 IN 2006. LOOK AT HIS TAX RECORDS.

S.C.B.C. CLYBURN AND LEWIS WITH REV. WRIGHT PLOTTED TO MOVE THE FLORIDA PRIMARY FORWARD. THAT WAS EASY FOR GOV. JEBB BUSH TO AUTHORIZE.

EVERYBODY KNOWS OBAMA CAMPAIGNED THERE AND SHOWED ADS IN THE NORTHERN FLORIDA.

Posted by: GRACE | April 25, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Come on, since when did anyone really care about the African-American vote? And BZ the Hispanic vote isn't that really more relevant. African-American's are 11% of the country and Hispanics are 12-13% who cares? As long as we keep the white female vote coming, we're golden.

Posted by: Hillary in '08 | April 25, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

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HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

The race is not over until one of them reaches 2025 delegates.

Nobody needs to bloody up Obama. Michelle Obama, Reverend Wright, Clyburn and Obama himself are doing it to Obama already.

If Hillary wins Indiana, she becomes President...

STOP THE WHINING AND FIGHT FOR EVERY VOTE!!!

Posted by: Nilo98 | April 25, 2008 11:49 PM
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I totally agree!
And its not "if" she wins Indiana, at this point it will be "by how much" she wins.

Posted by: BZ | April 25, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

R,B,A We're going too.

Posted by: Recreate - 68 | April 25, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

African Americans vote enmasse for Obama and that is OK. They are not racist. But if whites vote for clinton even if by 50-60 % they are racists. It is all baloney. This clayborne should shut up.

This is the guy who started all these racial commentss and Obama camp put fuel to the fire before South Carolina !

Posted by: Shawn | April 25, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

DPGR We're going to Denver to kick your stupid butt!

Posted by: Religious, Bitter & Armed | April 25, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is right and White. Enough said.

Posted by: PA Voter | April 25, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Who cares if the blacks abandon the Dems. in Nov.
They are only helping Obama in the primary, no real effect in Nov. too small of a voting block. Hispanics and white middle america are the key voting blocks.
the blacks get elevated because fear of racism ... otherwise never made a big difference.

Posted by: bz | April 25, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey gbooksdc, 70% of PA voters thought Clinton went too far? Yet, 55% of them still voted for her. What does that say about Obama. 70% thought Clinton went too far, but they still couldn't vote for Obama.

Posted by: Moral Protagonist | April 25, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

I don't care how many votes that Sambo gets, there's no way the Democratic party should give any of them a nomination.

Posted by: Take back the Party | April 25, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Where are we going people?

Posted by: Demolition Party Grass Roots | April 25, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

The race is not over until one of them reaches 2025 delegates.

Nobody needs to bloody up Obama. Michelle Obama, Reverend Wright, Clyburn and Obama himself are doing it to Obama already.

If Hillary wins Indiana, she becomes President...

STOP THE WHINING AND FIGHT FOR EVERY VOTE!!!

Posted by: Nilo98 | April 25, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

AmeriKKKans

FOR

HILLARY

RETURN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BACK TO THE DIXIECRATS!

LET'S HANG 'EM HIGH AND SWINGING!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Hillary,
Hope my 2 million contribution is helpful.

Posted by: Barack_Internet_Fundraising.com | April 25, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

I frankly doubt blacks will abandon the Dems in any significant numbers, but the more some of you invite them to leave, the greater the chance they will take you up on your offer.

Posted by: gbooksdc | April 25, 2008 11:44 PM

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THATS WHAT WE WANT!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Why are whites getting all bent out of shape if blacks don't vote for Hillary. Its not like she needs blacks. Thats why she has no problem letting Bill say the things he says. What's the big deal?

Posted by: Just the facts | April 25, 2008 11:42 PM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The big deal is that you are in the Democratic Party. Get out of it. Go away. You are not wanted. Go, go, go, go!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Good luck Hillary.
You know how to send em packing.

Posted by: 1999White House Travel Office | April 25, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

NATION OF ISLAM

FOR

OBAMA


"Forty acres and 72 virgins for all African Americans!"

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Another last ditch, pathetic effort to save Obama.
African Americans are embarrassed by what Mr. Transcends Race has done to his campaign.
He can blame, blame blame, which is what is has mastered. Or step up and realize he cannot connect to middle america.
He is done. Unelectable.
the superdelegates will come out for him as he falls, so they can go back to their constituents and say "hey, I gave him my vote, until it was obvious he couldn't win." Democrats won't risk losing the White House for Obama.
All the pundits can use the delegate votes to keep the shows going, but the truth is Obama is done. Period. End of Report.

Watch and learn.

Posted by: bz | April 25, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

One other point that bears mentioning. In the off chance that blacks not only did not sit home, but actively supported McCain, you'd see political movement towards blacks in a Republican effort to maintain their regained advantage. Black support opens up a panoply of opportunities at the state and local levels throughout the US. Bob Ehrlich would still be governor if he'd gotten even 40% black support. Thousands of offices would become in play if Repubs had a fair chance at black support. Patronage at every level leads, in turn, to political contributions at every level. The Democrats could, at long last, finally become marginalized and irrelevant.

It is never in your interest to sell your vote cheap. I frankly doubt blacks will abandon the Dems in any significant numbers, but the more some of you invite them to leave, the greater the chance they will take you up on your offer. My Dem family, now, sounds more anti-Clinton than I ever did in the 90s. That's not because Obama is black; it is because they know him to be a good man and are dismayed in the extreme at the cynicism behind the Clinton approach.

70% of voters in PA -- a state that went Clinton's way -- thought she'd gone to far. By definition, people who thought Clinton went too far included a substantial portion of Clinton's own supporters. Clyburn is merely stating an inconvenient truth. Those of you who cannot bring yourselves to recognize that the Clintons are, at a minimum, far from blameless, are capable of intellectual gymnastics unknown to the rest of us.

Posted by: gbooksdc | April 25, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

We've got to stop voting according to race. Please vote, by/for 'the content of their character' not by/for 'the color of their skin'.

Let all men KNOW they are free to vote for what they believe is right - they are not schakled to vote by color or tribe or religion or sex.

The strong man votes his concience, when he finds a cadidate who can do for his country ; the whole people ; what others will not do. Ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what he can do for your country.

And if if there is no good answer from any of them, write the name of the person you admire.

Fredom, Peace, Prosperity - don't give up!

Posted by: Terence | April 25, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Good luck to Hillary, a keen investor.

Posted by: Tysons Chicken Inc. | April 25, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Well what an oportunity to rally around Cynthia McKinney, the former Congreswoman from Georgia who is their candidate for President. If HRC is on the ticket-either top or bottom-I will go Green, the same true colors as the Packers!

Go Big Green!

Posted by: Shaun-Kar | April 25, 2008 11:39 PM
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And can you please, please stay green? Pleeeeeese!!! WE DON"T WANT YOU IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY! GET THE F- OUT! GO FORM A BLACK PARTY.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

I am so tired of these whining Black folks talking about Hillary Clinton. Hillary is the smartest candidate running for office of President. I am a Republican and I gave her money. I am so tired of people just wanting to give the election to Barry Obuma just because he is Black. Obuma is not qualified to be President. He has not paid his dues and the country is not ready to become a cesspool of moral turpitude with a Black President. In Iowa Obuma only won by about 200 votes and eveyone has acted like Obuma is Jesus. Obuma is just a Black man that has good handlers and nothing more.

Posted by: Joe Jackson | April 25, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Why are whites getting all bent out of shape if blacks don't vote for Hillary. Its not like she needs blacks. Thats why she has no problem letting Bill say the things he says. What's the big deal?

Posted by: Just the facts | April 25, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons are a blast.

Posted by: Vincent Foster | April 25, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Clyburn thinks Afican Americans will break ranks with the Democratic Party. Where will they go? The GOP? Stay home and have no say in the election? The Democrats are their own worst enemy. Like not counting Florida when it was the GOP legislature that moved the primary date. Now Florida Dems are angry at the party and not likely to vote for the Dem candidate in the fall. Way to go geniuses.

Posted by: Moral Protagonist | April 25, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Hillary needed to do the right thing and drop out like 2 months ago.

Now Dems need to do the right thing and drag her out into the street kicking and screaming.

Posted by: Phil | April 25, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

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"The government ... wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America."

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY

I aint sayn shes a gold digger
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She aint messn with no broke N......

Posted by: ObamaCampaign08 | April 25, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Well what an oportunity to rally around Cynthia McKinney, the former Congreswoman from Georgia who is their candidate for President. If HRC is on the ticket-either top or bottom-I will go Green, the same true colors as the Packers!

Go Big Green!

Posted by: Shaun-Kar | April 25, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

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"The government ... wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people."

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

The last time I checked there are 9 more states to vote and nobody has yet completed the 2025 delegates needed to win the nomination.

Unfortunately neither Barack or Hillary will be nominated without the Super Delegates which under the rule and by design is a part of the process.

Anyway so much of this Clyburn whining and by the Obama campaign. In a democracy nobody is entitled to the Presidency and anybody who wants to become President has to earn every vote---Black or White.

Nobody will STEAL this election except Barack and the DNC if they stop the process from being completed.

Obama and Clyburn belong to each other. Their arrogance is depthening.

Posted by: Nilo98 | April 25, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

NATION OF ISLAM

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OBAMA

"Natalee Holloway went down to Aruba and gave it up. So what's the big deal cause some white girl's missing?"

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Look, McLaughlin called it a long time ago and he's dead right on as usual. Hillary will win the nomination, fully 80% of ObamaNation will get behind her and vote McCain and his 1000 year Bush war down, and if the Clintons can pull off several miracles as they did in the 90's, we're in for eight years of peacetime prosperity that should just about effectively bury the NaziGOP, hopefully for all time. The 20% of hard corps ObamaNation who swallowed the Rove Hillary Hate Kool-aid hook, line, and sinker, will be MORE than made up by closet feminist antiwar GOP soccer Moms and non-misogynist independents. And they ARE out there.

Rove and the GOP-owned MSM couldn't convince the American People OR the world to join in their lynching of Bill Clinton in the 90's, and they cannot again convince the world through their massaged polls of Obama supporters and legions of online shills that endemic racism in America has abated to the point to even allow Obama within miles of the Oval Office. This failure was assured long before Reverend Wright, before Larry Sinclair, before the bitterness of people clingling to their religion and their guns, before Obama just wanted to eat his waffle in peace when asked about Jimmy Carter talking to Hamas, before Obama flipped off Hillary on youtube, and before Obama's miserable exposure as a bitter angry impotent neophyte at what HE chose to be his final swan song debate, out of cowardice.

Everyone in the world knows Obama doesn't have and NEVER HAD a chance at the Presidency, that every racist who ever voted and who NEVER voted from sea to shining sea will camp out DAYS before the general election at every polling place in America to insure he will lose. The Superdelegates know this, even the ones pledged to Obama and who will vote OTHERWISE in their secret ballots come August because they want to WIN against McCain.

Everyone except those paid to convince ObamaNation Kool-aid drinkers otherwise and their poisoned target audience themselves. The audacity of fantasy against the audacity of reality.

I wish it were not so. But wishing does not make racism go away. Racism exists, and we must make the best of the situation with which we are given until another generation of racists die off and a generation raised on hip hop hits their 50's and prime voting age.

Will Obama be mature enough to run and win then? Only time will tell. He is certainly not mature enough now, and certainly not wise enough either. Or he would have never entered the race in the first place, when ALL polls showed that Hillary Clinton had already beaten ANY POSSIBLE GOP CANDIDATE hands down, before Obama entered the race as Rove's Trojan Horse spoiler.

Posted by: xbjllb | April 25, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Oh boy. Like we didn't know the black vote matters!?!?

Old news. It's WHY Obama ran in the first place. His black-like-me vote.

Don't worry. We can win without the black vote.

No need to threaten the Democrats. If Mr. Clyburn wants to get that way - all the white folks will stay home and we'll see how Obama does.

Isn't this something?

OK -- ALL WHITE FOLK STAY HOME IF OBAMA WINS!!

LET'S THREATEN MR. CLYBURN BACK -- WHOEVER HE ISN'T.

Posted by: Todd | April 25, 2008 11:17 PM

))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Well said. African Americans have hijacked the Democratic Party. It is time they were sent packing. Just go away fellows.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

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HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is a liar!

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"We started the AIDS virus ... as a means of genocide against people of color."

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

In your case, the best way to do this is by
introducing a law in the House of Representatvies prohibiting the use of the term "African American." Furthermore, the regulation must state that whoever is born in the United Sates is an "AMERICAN" period.
And this rule should apply to any descendant of any ethic group.

For Mr. Clyburn, you are either an American or an African. You cannot be both. As the saying goes: "you either serve God or the devil." You cannot serve both at the same time. So Mr. Clyburn, I kindly advice you that the best way to bring every single ethnic group together is by uniting everybody under one word "American," not by "US AND YOU."

Posted by: Vivaldo Latoche | April 25, 2008 11:28 PM
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Sooo -- no more St. Patrick's Day. No more Cinco de Mayo? When am I going to have an excuse to get p!ssy drunk?

Oh well, if you insist ...

Posted by: gbooksdc | April 25, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

As a 55 yr old white, college educated female, I too have been wondering if it is not HRC's plan to "bloody up" (as Rush Limbaugh says) Obama so that he cannot win the 2008 general, then she runs in 2012.

Only problem is that she would not have the support of the entire black community, a big part of the white democratic community, and most of the entire grassroots of the Democratic party, which she just snubbed; how could she win in 2012? As a Republican maybe?

Posted by: Kali | April 25, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Well now, the Democratic Party apparatus is not used to Black people "acting uppity" and questioning whether we should support them as in years past. Now the DNC can tell us Black people to go pound sand and this time, we'll do just that. See if you win the White House and maintain the congressional majorities in both houses then. We'll all be saying "President McCain."

Posted by: Black and Bitter like Coffee | April 25, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

It is hard to beleive that White women will WON'T VOTE FOR AN AFRICAN AMERICAN CANDIDATE when they can't stay off his jock.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

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"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards [9/11]. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired of the stupid posts by Obama supporters about how Hillary Clinton is tearing down the party and is a racist. Screw you all!

Tell me one instance where she has said or done anything that is racist? Tell me what she is doing to tear down this party. What? Going after your precious Saint Obama when he attacks her or flips her off? Tell me you disingenuous cultist freaks! Or just shut the hell up!

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't care less for the African-Americans in the Democratic Party. It's time they were booted out. We ought to extend our umbrella to Latinos.

Out with African-Americans.

Posted by: Latinos instead of blacks | April 25, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

With due respect to you, Mr. Clyburn, but you are creating more rifts in the American society with your statements for the benefit of anybody.

In my view, you ARE profiling a segment of the society by stating: "I may not know a lot obout what drives some voters, but I know a little bit about African American voters."

What really bathers me most is that you are "the most senior African American in Congress and the third ranking Democrat in the House." Now, if you are really interested in bringing together racial groups under the Democrat tent, I suggest you start by not profiling people in the first place. Stop saying "African Americans."

In your case, the best way to do this is by
introducing a law in the House of Representatvies prohibiting the use of the term "African American." Furthermore, the regulation must state that whoever is born in the United Sates is an "AMERICAN" period.
And this rule should apply to any descendant of any ethic group.

For Mr. Clyburn, you are either an American or an African. You cannot be both. As the saying goes: "you either serve God or the devil." You cannot serve both at the same time. So Mr. Clyburn, I kindly advice you that the best way to bring every single ethnic group together is by uniting everybody under one word "American," not by "US AND YOU."

Posted by: Vivaldo Latoche | April 25, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Ask your mama...
I just had to say that out of hatred.

Posted by: Still Enslaved | April 25, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse


Don't be goofy sill and dumb.

Obama's campaign put this guy with this pot stirring stuff out there.

Are you kidding? This is ALL they do all day. Think up things to do on the sly. What are Obamabots? Truly clueless?

Obamas marketeeeer Mr. Axelrod is ruthless. He chuckles in his sleep. He's amazed with his marketing miracle.

Now Obama says he's going to "sell his humble roots". Right. Anythings that isn't working - fix it, change it, lie about it.

He's really outrageous and will never be my president. Ever. I can look at Bush more easily. "Believe" THAT!

This surrogate threatening like this will blow up in Obama's face. Like the crazy uncle on TV tonight. Can't wait to see the replays of that guy.

Threaten the party with black abstinence? Two can play that game. The Democratic party is made up of MANY races. And they don't vote for Obama.

Go ahead and vote Republican. See what comes your way when Hillary wins. Or McCain.

Obama is bringing down the Democratic party. He should have waited eight years - he could have let Hillary come up with all the solutions and do all the difficult work - like he likes to do in the debates and with policies. He could have gotten some semblance of real experience and have inherited a nice situation. Instead - he let Bradley, Dashle, Kerry, Leahy, Kennedy - talk him into premature... inexperienced partying at this level.

Obama will pay for his impatience - but the United States of America can't afford to.


HILLARY HILLARY HILLARY HILLARY HILLARY HILLARY !!!

Posted by: Todd | April 25, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

gbooksdc we voted and it seems no one really reads your posts. Especially the uneducated...you know the ones in OH and PA who have been causing indigestion to Mr. Wonderboy with no experience.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 11:10 PM
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You read it. I suppose there's that.

(Who can find the pop culture reference in the above?)

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

"O.K. guys you win. I admit it ...you can stare at circular hatred logic longer than I can. BUT...don't even try this in Denver...my posse consists of a bunch of heavy weights. We'll win."

Still Enslaved...are you with Denver's weight watchers club?

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

It is hard to beleive that White women WON'T VOTE FOR AN AFRICAN AMERICAN CANDIDATE when they can't stay off their jock.

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

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"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye."

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse


It is hard to beleive White women will WON'T VOTE FOR AN AFRICAN AMERICAN CANDIDATE when they can't stay off HIS JOCK. Intersting...........

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Rev. Wright speaks with so much intelligence and insight I can understand why his words went over your head. It's okay though, Walmart sells dictionaries.

Posted by: | April 25, 2008 10:59 PM
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Wait! What was that? God Damn America? Huh? Wow that just flew over my head. What in the world could that mean?
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You have just proved you didn't watch the interview. Which means one, you are a lier or two, you are Hannity.

And as Rev. Wright said, "Sean Hannity's stupid fantasy will keep him forever stuck on stupid when it comes to comprehending how you can love a brother who does not believe what you believe."

Posted by: Terry | April 25, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

OK, who is this kookie Clyburn guy? Is he really threatening white people? Must not be a very smart guy. If the MSM gets a hold of this one, Obama might just get a spanking and it won't be from his typical white grandma.

This is pretty stupid timing for a threat. Does this yayhoo realize that the North Carolina primary is just around the corner? I'm from Asheville and, I'll tell you, this is not gonna play right here. We aren't going to be bullied by some South Carolina politician that's obviously too full of himself to see daylight. Wait till I tell all my friends about this horse hockey!

Posted by: Catfish | April 25, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: drossless | April 25, 2008 11:18 PM

"Hey, if black Americans getting ticked doesn't worry you, how about highly educated affluent liberals, college students, and Independents? You want to trade that for white women over 60 and bigots? OK."

I didn't think being "a white woman over 60" was on par or in the same thing as being a "bigot".

Obviously you must not be one of the educated...perhaps a student drinking beer?

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

O.K. guys you win. I admit it ...you can stare at circular hatred logic longer than I can. BUT...don't even try this in Denver...my posse consists of a bunch of heavy weights. We'll win.

Posted by: Still Enslaved | April 25, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

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"God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people ... God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

ITS THE ISSUES STUPID:

Go in peace. You do get it. I support Obama, but I think I view Sen. McCain more favorably than you. His certainly has his bad points and has seen his low moments, but when he has also consistently demonstrated integrity. I read his book and think quite highly of him, and he comes from a line of men who have served our country.

There are valid reasons to decline to support Obama. But blaming him for everything anyone of color does, is not one of them. If you are reduced to that, you deserve to be recognized for the bigot you are.

Greeks of every political stripe coalesced behind Mike Dukakis' 1988 candidacy. Was that racism? No, it was pride. There is a difference, but no surprise that subtlety is not a tool in the intellectual arsenal of the Clintonistas, who are known for their capacity to be easily, and regularly, fooled.

Posted by: gbooksdc | April 25, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Rev Wright said TONIGHT and during his sermon that he got DAMN you AMERICA from a white politican and FOX News is try to downplay it. Typical. I see Clinton supporters cherry pick what they way to hear and BELIEVE. I guess that is the same with the BOSNIA flap

Posted by: cherrypicking | April 25, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

I'M ANGRY!!!! THE MEDIA AND ALL RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE MINI CLIPS, YOU KNEW THERE WAS MORE TO THE ENTIRE SERMON WHEN YOU WERE CHOPPING AWAY!! YOU DID COME ACROSS MORE SUBSTANCE TO WRIGHT, AND YOU PURPOSELY CUT OUT INFORMATION!!! I'M SO ANGRY!!

I KNEW MORE TRUTH WOULD COME OUT. I AM SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ANGRY!!!

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 25, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

PA governer has said that:

"MANY WHITES WON'T VOTE FOR AN AFRICAN AMERICAN CANDIDATE"

Those who say Clyburn is threatening democrats, what was Ed Rendell doing??Threatening ?

BTW, I do agree with what Ed Rendell has said in some ways. RACISM BLINDS YOU. That is why some HRC supporters can't see the obvious. That is why they can't comprehend what even NY Times, who supported her officialy noted:-

"It is past time for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to acknowledge that the negativity, for which she is mostly responsible, does nothing but harm to her, her opponent, her party and the 2008 election."

Clyburn's statement is not very different from NYT's statement, for those with clear conscious.

Posted by: Abiyman | April 25, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Ed Rendall beat Bob Casey in organization; that was the real story in PA. The biggest loser was Casey. Just look at the County by County election map. It tells the story.
Obama, since Virginia, seems to be losing momentum. He seems tired. If he takes a short rest, Obama will do much better.
For me, Obama is way too far to the left, and is too pro-choice. From Senate votes, he appears unable to even oppose partial birth abortion. From reading his off-hand remarks, Obama appears to be elitist. Further, his positions seem vague. Finally it is very difficult to see any meaningful policy differences between Clinton and Obama. Is Obama Hillary in Pants?
Maybe many are asking whether there really is any change with Obama.

Posted by: Peter Roach | April 25, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Hey, if black Americans getting ticked doesn't worry you, how about highly educated affluent liberals, college students, and Independents? You want to trade that for white women over 60 and bigots? OK.

Posted by: drossless | April 25, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse


Oh boy. Like we didn't know the black vote matters!?!?

Old news. It's WHY Obama ran in the first place. His black-like-me vote.

Don't worry. We can win without the black vote.

No need to threaten the Democrats. If Mr. Clyburn wants to get that way - all the white folks will stay home and we'll see how Obama does.

Isn't this something?

OK -- ALL WHITE FOLK STAY HOME IF OBAMA WINS!!

LET'S THREATEN MR. CLYBURN BACK -- WHOEVER HE ISN'T.

Posted by: Todd | April 25, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

re: "Why are Obama supporters JUMPING SHIP AND supporting Clinton....."

they are!

I'm just responding to one of my own posts (where I pretend to switch to Clinton) I'm bipolar:)

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Yes...haven't heard that "God" word in a while eh.

Posted by: Still Enslaved | April 25, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Every time Obama shows signs of primary campaign weakness out of the woodwork comes good old James E. Clyburn. He professes not to have a horse in the Democratic race and then proceeds to trash Obama's opponents. And he doesn't just do it on the basis of policy, he blatantly does based on racial politics.

Clyburn has been very effective. For the last three months Obama has regularly received 90%, or even more, of the African American vote in primaries and caucuses. And yet Mr. Clyburn says he doesn't have a hand in giving Obama this advantage.

What a clever and despicable brand of politics Mr. Clyburn practices. He is an African American who plays the race card when it can do the most damage but refuses to admit he is playing that card.

Clyburn reminds me of Don King, the boxing promoter. King mastered every dirty trick in the promotion game but always maintained he was fair and without blame. I guess Obama should thank his own Don King for where he is today.

Posted by: Joshua | April 25, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Ahmed wrote:

"If you need a jetpack, Allah, will provide it once Barack becomes the chosen one. Where would you like to fly? Barack knows the pathway to paradise and the 72 virgins that await if you only join us in our quest."

Really a JET PACK??!!! Oh, yeah and of course the 72 virgins. Where do I sign up?

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Rev. Wright speaks with so much intelligence and insight I can understand why his words went over your head. It's okay though, Walmart sells dictionaries.

Posted by: | April 25, 2008 10:59 PM
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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

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re: "Why are Obama supporters JUMPING SHIP AND supporting Clinton....."

they're not

you are just responding to one of your own posts (where you pretend to switch to Clinton)
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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

My fellow black Americans, so far over 92% of you guys have voted for Obama because he is black. If over 92% of the whites will vote for McCain in the general eleciton, what chance does Obama have? Don't play the race card to threat Clinton, you guys can only hurt yourselves. Use your head, not emotion,don't do to others what you do not want others do to you.

Posted by: johnycheng | April 25, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

I agree and the Rev said that he got DAMN you AMERICA from a white politican and FOX News try to downplay that. I really saw a different side of the Rev tonight and he is not the person that the media is making him out to be. I will now vote for Barack
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Posted by: Briskwood | April 25, 2008 11:08 PM

I completely agree with you! I watched Rev. Wright's interview with Bill Moyers also. It was incredible! I think Hannity

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

Check out the Republican party. You have a voice that counts here.????
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What has the GOP done for African Americans over the past 50 years? Feel free to list as many accomplishments as you can.

Posted by: Jim | April 25, 2008 10:38 PM
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During the Nixon administration, affirmative action was adopted as a federal mandate for companies with federal contracts and for labor unions whose workers were engaged in those projects.

Given the marginal support blacks have given the GOP since 1960, that's not too shabby, I'd say.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

gbooksdc,
Great post...the other "good thing about a short attention span is.............
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Posted by: Still Enslaved | April 25, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

gbooksdc we voted and it seems no one really reads your posts. Especially the uneducated...you know the ones in OH and PA who have been causing indigestion to Mr. Wonderboy with no experience.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

With due respect to you, Mr. Clyburn, but you are creating more rifts in the American society with your statements for the benefit of anybody.

In my view, you ARE profiling a segment of the society by stating: "I may not know a lot obout what drives some voters, but I know a little bit about African American voters."

What really bathers me most is that you are "the most senior African American in Congress and the third ranking Democrat in the House." Now, if you are really interested in bringing together racial groups under the Democrat tent, I suggest you start by not profiling people in the first place. Stop saying "African Americans."

In your case, the best way to do this is by
introducing a law in the House of Representatvies prohibiting the use of the term "African American." Furthermore, the regulation must state that whoever is born in the United Sates is an "AMERICAN" period.
And this rule should apply to any descendant of any ethic group.

For Mr. Clyburn, you are either an American or an African. You cannot be both. As the saying goes: "you either serve God or the devil." You cannot serve both at the same time. So Mr. Clyburn, I kindly advice you that the best way to bring every single ethnic group together is by uniting everybody under one word "American," not by "US AND YOU."

Posted by: Vivaldo Latoche | April 25, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Why are Obama supporters JUMPING SHIP AND supporting Clinton.....if that does not tell u something then you are worst off than I THOUGHT

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Post by Terry 10:21 P.M. I completely agree with you! I watched Rev. Wright's interview with Bill Moyers also. It was incredible! I think Hannity, Scarbourough, and others who have been bashing Obama for weeks, owe Rev. Wright and Obama an apology! They have completely taken Rev. Wrights comments out of context!

Posted by: Briskwood | April 25, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Good to know...do you know if personal jet packs will finally be available as well? Because I've been waiting along time for that forgotten promise.
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Tim,

If you need a jetpack, Allah, will provide it once Barack becomes the chosen one. Where would you like to fly? Barack knows the pathway to paradise and the 72 virgins that await if you only join us in our quest.

Posted by: Ahmed | April 25, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: Still Enslaved | April 25, 2008 11:04 PM
"FYI, this just in over the wire.

If elected President, Obama has promised to wear an American Flag lapel pin to show his patriotism. He is currently deciding on one of the two types available: Chinese made soft enamel or Korean made cast medal. His choice to be reported shortly after his decision."

Did the report say if he will be wearing the pin right side up or upside down? I can't wait for the next debate to find out.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Tim, don't dilute the promise. I think it was specifically, a jet pack and ten acres.

Posted by: Still Enslaved | April 25, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

What is the point of some of you people posting LONG blogs, no one reads them. What is the TUCK you on.

Posted by: blogging | April 25, 2008 10:45 PM
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Depends on what's in the post. Myself, I like to write. I have a vocabulary and this gives me a chance to employ it. But my audience is not those with short attention spans. At least my posts are all written by me, and are 98% unique, which is to say, I don't cut and paste the same thing over and over. Still, feel free to scroll on by. I do for all the cut and paste jobs, or the ones without an original POV. That makes going through most of these comments a lot quicker.

(One of the beauties of short attention spans is that they are so common among the less-educated. Which means that, come November, most of Hillary's supporters won't remember most of today's controversies, but that Iraq War and high gas prices and a plummeting economy will still be fresh in their minds. No surprise, they've already forgotten how hard Bill and Hill worked to pass the Republican NAFTA bill. A few will remember how much they hate, but most of them vote GOP most of the time anyway, so they won't much be missed.)

Posted by: gbooksdc | April 25, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Why are Clinton supporters JUMPING SHIP AND supporting Obama.....if that does not tell u something then you are worst off than I THOUGHT

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

"What has the GOP done for African Americans over the past 50 years? Feel free to list as many accomplishments as you can."

The Voting Rights Act would have never passed without the votes of a number of Republicans.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

FYI, this just in over the wire.

If elected President, Obama has promised to wear an American Flag lapel pin to show his patriotism. He is currently deciding on one of the two types available: Chinese made soft enamel or Korean made cast medal. His choice to be reported shortly after his decision.

Posted by: Still Enslaved | April 25, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Dear dylan,
I am ina quandry. and, you sound like the kind of reasonable man open to new ideas and to critical inquiries of a purely unbiased nature.

So, what is your take on the sheer number of white folks (hypotheticlly speaking , of course) who choose simply to vote for a white candidate, and to believe in and to perpetuate any manner of half-truths and purely nonsensical PT Barnumesque - "No one ever went broke underestimating the gullability of the American people." Eurocentric originated claptrap - simply because the candidate happens to be white and the other candidate happened to be half black, regardless of intellegence, morals or stand on critical issues? Would that perhaps equate to a racist/tribal intent? Or would it fall under the convenient moniker or rubric of "The ends always justify the means, particularly if it means reinforcing my skin color based privilege regardless of my actual intelligence." nomenclature? Shake off the fog and let me hear ya'. I am sick of the unchallenged BS on these and like-minded boards. Stand and deliver, or go back to your stupor.

Posted by: bldlcc | April 25, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

BARACK VOTED FOR CHENEY'S ENERGY BILL! OH, THAT'S RIGHT THEY'RE COUSINS! I GUESS IT'S OK THEN. KEEPING IT REAL IN THE FAMILY!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Ahmed | April 25, 2008 10:59PM
"Brother Obama will win or we will take to the streets in protest. He is the chosen one to lead us out of the abyss created by the Zionist pigs. We will be liberated and free to further our goals and establish the caliphate as the prophet has taught us. We will not be deterred by the Clintons. They are the past and we are the future. All of America will be united under Barack!

Good to know...do you know if personal jet packs will finally be available as well? Because I've been waiting along time for that forgotten promise.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

The fact is if the black vote does not turn out in large numbers, the democratic party cannot win the presidency. In ANY year. With ANY candidate. White voter turnout is never an issue when calculating the chances of the Democrats. You Dems should probably think well about this. If Billary alienates the AA vote, you can all say goodbye to the WH.

Posted by: KM | April 25, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

As a black person, I think Clyburn should be speaking to the DNC, or the Clintons directly. He may manifest what he's speaking against with his rhetoric. Both candidates need a coalition of people in order to win.

Posted by: Shag | April 25, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Ahmed | April 25, 2008 10:59 PM

you know you are WHITE, you are certainly a CLINTON.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Clyburn is using blackmail and fearmongering to get the nomination for cult leader Obama. He needs to chill out with his diatribe for the cult leader. Saying he's "neutral" is completely bogus. In fact, Clyburn been bashing the Clintons with his own black racist mindset.

Posted by: crat3 | April 25, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Brother Obama will win or we will take to the streets in protest. He is the chosen one to lead us out of the abyss created by the Zionist pigs. We will be liberated and free to further our goals and establish the caliphate as the prophet has taught us. We will not be deterred by the Clintons. They are the past and we are the future. All of America will be united under Barack! Allahhu Akbar!

Posted by: Ahmed | April 25, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I have just watch Rev. Wright on Bill Moyers and that racist has just put the nail in ObaMa's coffin.

Rev. Wright & his America-hating wife Michelle are the racists behind their little black boy Barack.

We are tired of blacks milking off America's generosity.

Let them leave the Democrats. The Republicans figured out years ago blacks ey were just voting Democratic for more welfare programs.

Posted by: dylan
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Pardon me but your ignorance is showing. Rev. Wright speaks with so much intelligence and insight I can understand why his words went over your head. It's okay though, Walmart sells dictionaries.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

This is the unifying movement we are talking about, right?
The movement of Change.
I don't think this is the kind of change America needs.

Posted by: yael | April 25, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

"HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR" whoever brought this to our attention. Thank you so much...I don't think this has ever been brought up except for the billion other times and in Obama's speeches and advertising.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

I would like to take this time to thank the WONDERfUL ABC debate MODERATORS.

George and Charlie, you were GREat.

NIce SET Up!
On to the next AMBUSH! LOL

Here was the best question......

"Does Reverend Wright love America as much as you do?

OBamaah LOoKEd Like a... dear in the head lights. LOL!

Posted by: Sally Ann | April 25, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

If you white folks are not picking on the Negroes, you are on your racist rats about illegal aliens. This is why many black folks are not speaking out on the illegal immigration issue with white citizens. Blacks know how whites treated them and feel about them. They are not going to join the white race to speak out against illegal aliens. Guess what white folks, you are going to alienate blacks on the illegal immigration issue by your constantly talking this racist garbage about Rev. Wright. Who care about Rev. Wright. I care more about the rising gasoline and food prices and you should be too.

For the record, I am a white citizen living in Ward 3 Washington, D.C. Spring Valley area.

Posted by: Illegal Alien | April 25, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Still Enslaved...I believe the "No Child Left Behind" was conceived in Hell.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

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HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Lets vote for a minority candidate who doesn't blame white America for everything that goes wrong.

It's time we have an Asian or Latino President.

Posted by: Mexican President | April 25, 2008 10:52 PM

I really think that we are closer to that then you may think. Oboma has a surprise for Latinos. Forget what you hear our struggle is one in the same.

Posted by: Jabbar | April 25, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect, Mr. Clyburn, the African American vote in the Democratic Party is 12%; the FEMALE vote is 55%.

I will vote, sir, for the candidate I consider to be the most qualified and most competent, as I always do, and it will not matter if that candidate is black, white, or polka-dotted.

But here's a clue: I will NOT be threatened or falsely accused of something that serves only YOUR purposes.

I suggest you encourage Mr. Obama to work hard at EARNING my vote with a clear agenda and a perception of competence and experience.

No more excuses; no more whining.

Earn it; win it.

All the rest is noise.

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Beautiful post

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Loved it.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Mary...I really enjoyed your posting...hit the nail on the head.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Jim...it's plane...come on man..what happened to the Republicans "No child left behind" effort. Don't tell me that program went to hell too.

Posted by: Still Enslaved | April 25, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

One other thing: the ignorant among you seem to have missed that, if 100% of Dem blacks went for Obama, he's still only pull 22%. He's at 50% plus, because of what was once called "people of good will". Educated whites, those who actually have some experience (its called "worldly"), appreciate the Clintons for what they are. The thinking have disabused themselves of the virulent racism so many posters exhibit with no shame. None of us should mistake the racism of a few, or even many, as the racism of all.

Ah well, I always said Republicans were no more prejudiced than Dems. Some are, most aren't. This election has proven me right once and for all. Black Dems WILL move away from the Dem party, not because they are fulfilling some threat, but because they now cannot avoid the stark truth that in fact their interests do not permanently lie with the Party, and in fact, a substantial portion of its membership is hostile to their interests politically and themselves personally. Those of you who claim to have taken Clyburn's words as a threat, with the hate and vitriol you have expressed, have seen to that, not Rep. Clyburn. Moderation in the pursuit of liberty is no virtue, and Rep. Clyburn has acted as a moderate all along. But even Rep. Clyburn still remembers how to stand.

Posted by: gbooksdc | April 25, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Are Clyburn's comments what is meant by the term "blackmail"?

Posted by: magellan1 | April 25, 2008 10:51 PM
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Yes, and other synonyms for blackmail such as "delusional", "punch drunk", "bull crap", etc etc.

Posted by: The blackmailer from congress | April 25, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect, Mr. Clyburn, the African American vote in the Democratic Party is 12%; the FEMALE vote is 55%.

I will vote, sir, for the candidate I consider to be the most qualified and most competent, as I always do, and it will not matter if that candidate is black, white, or polka-dotted.

But here's a clue: I will NOT be threatened or falsely accused of something that serves only YOUR purposes.

I suggest you encourage Mr. Obama to work hard at EARNING my vote with a clear agenda and a perception of competence and experience.

No more excuses; no more whining.

Earn it; win it.

All the rest is noise.

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Beautiful post

Posted by: Election 08 Observer | April 25, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama did the "finger" thing again today? Talk about an immature whining brat. NOT presidential material!

Posted by: Toni | April 25, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Not a racist | April 25, 2008 10:47 PM

Thank you for you blog and goodnight.At least some of us got some sense.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

With all due respect, Mr. Clyburn, the African American vote in the Democratic Party is 12%; the FEMALE vote is 55%.

I will vote, sir, for the candidate I consider to be the most qualified and most competent, as I always do, and it will not matter if that candidate is black, white, or polka-dotted.

But here's a clue: I will NOT be threatened or falsely accused of something that serves only YOUR purposes.

I suggest you encourage Mr. Obama to work hard at EARNING my vote with a clear agenda and a perception of competence and experience.

No more excuses; no more whining.

Earn it; win it.

All the rest is noise.

Posted by: Mary | April 25, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Sorry...I didn't mean to write Jabbar in the Name box...I meant to write:
"Jabbar...Just don't tell me you have access to a plan?! Or are you in with the oil companies?"

Sorry for the confusion.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Lets vote for a minority candidate who doesn't blame white America for everything that goes wrong.

It's time we have an Asian or Latino President.

Posted by: Mexican President | April 25, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Threats from Clyburn only make whites hate Obama even more than before.

Bring it on, Jim.

Posted by: dennis | April 25, 2008 10:42 PM
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You can say that again, Mate. I am feeling such intense dislike for him and his candidate. To be honest I am feeling a great deal of resentment against African-Americans too.

Posted by: Intense dislike | April 25, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

I can see it now.... Hellary and Obomba singing a duet on American Idol...
....Ebony and Ivory...

Don't you just feel the love between these 2 members of the party of tolerance...
LOL

Posted by: Can't we all just get along. | April 25, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

I find it interesting that Clyburn chose this weekend to re-introduce race into the discussion. Interesting indeed

Posted by: RD78 | April 25, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

I think not only is Clyburn drinking that Obama kool-aid, he must also be farming that Rezko lawn with Obama and together they are doing some "GRASS-ROOTS" activity in the "NEIGHBORHOOD".

African-Americans quite unfortunately are voting solely based on race this election. Prior to OBAMA's "bitter" comment and the revelation of his IMPASTOR-Wright videos, white people were not voting based on race.

Depending on state or demographics (rich, middle class, young, old, etc.), Obama was getting anywhere from 40% to 65% of the white vote.

Blacks from the beginning have been voting Obama 85% and higher. Bill Clinton's Jesse Jackson remark was after the S.C. vote.

Obama and his supporters do not want and have not supported a re-vote in Michigan and Florida, they are happy with this DISENFRANCHISEMENT. Together with the racist black voting, we now have reverse discrimination: JEREMIAH CROW LAWS!

Posted by: cheersdk | April 25, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Are Clyburn's comments what is meant by the term "blackmail"?

Posted by: magellan1 | April 25, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

I love all the posters here announcing their positions. I will vote for X, or for Y, and all because of what Z said.

Is this comedy, or what? Do you think anyone takes this seriously? Let alone if you make up your mind, really (although statements on some blog like this are hardly credible, right?) based on things like this then why should anyone care?

How about talking about issues, instead?

Clyburn is voicing what a lot of people, including white people like me, have felt. That the Clinton campaign made a conscious decision after Iowa to try to marginalize Obama by labeling him as the 'black candidate'. They looked at the numbers and said blacks are only x% of our total vote and they are concentrated in a few states that we can affford to lose, and most will vote for him anyway. Let's pry white voters away from him, especially the working class and relatively uneducated white voters that will be big forces in some swing states.

There is no reason why Clinton should be getting only 8% of black vote otherwise. Since the end of the NH primary, and especially in SC, they have been pursuing this approach. It's probably helped them win more votes than they've lost. But who can blame Clyburn for being angry about it?

Posted by: lostintranslation | April 25, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Just don't tell me you have access to a plane?! Or are you in with the oil companies?!

Posted by: Jabbar | April 25, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

White women are the largest minority. White women are eligible for AA and they do get it. That is why white men put there businesses in there wives name. Another name for it is the unseen poor. Also white women collect the most welfare. Look it up and back up off my people, we are only 12% of the USA.

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Black and Latina women account for a larger percentage of welfare moms than white women. White women leave the welfare rolls faster than minority women.

If affirmative action were eliminated, the acceptance rates at elite universities would fall significantly.

When confronted with a Republican and a Democrat (even one they don't like), Black America will vote for the Democrat.

Whites just don't need Obama. Minorities need a Democrat. This isn't about prejudice. As a mother of two Hispanic and two American Indian children, I will vote for Obama even though he's not my first choice. Blacks will do the same.

Posted by: Liz | April 25, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

not clinton again! 9:42 PM:

The Clinton Hit List is an urban legend that has been totally debunked. See http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

Posted by: InvisiAm | April 25, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Who is Clyburn trying to fool. He is trying to divert the HEA that Obama is getting from his gaffes and pastor Wright. To change the topic of the talk shows this weekend. Clyburn has come with his RACE Card. Instead of addressing HATRED the black community is using the RACE to create division. What has Clyburn and Obama done for the black community, hispanic, or any other causes? Obama has tried to hijack this election by deceiving our youth by his SCRIPTED speeches. OBAMA IS NOTHING BUT A DECEITFUL, DISHONEST COWARD.

Posted by: utwo | April 25, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

If this is how we wanna talk then what about us Asians, eh? I couldn't care less for this garbage's (called Clyburn) BS.

Posted by: What of Asians/Latinos? | April 25, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

I just said a prayer for you gbooksdc. Who in the 21st century goes around speaking using the word like "manifest"?!!! Good Lord! By the way I also spoke to Lucifer and he said those crazy-do-anything-to-win Clintons have brought his poll numbers down as well. So should Jesus come back soon...he may have a better shot than you think!

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

i think white people in general have a dislike 4 blacks!!! too bad we could be a great nation, if we stuck 2gether. a lost of any race of any color is a lost. white people r not as dominant as they think. 1 slip up can cause dire consequences. u need someone 2 get ur back!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: kenney | April 25, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

WOW...if white people were as mad about $3.00 per gallon gas, a tanking economy, 3000 dead soldiers, mortgage hikes, etc...as they are about Rev Wright and black welfare, maybe this country would turn around in a positive way. Keep pointing your anger at the black man, sure we're an easy target...Ops...hold on...your broker is on the line...he wants me to inform you your 401k dropped another K. You know those white CEO's have to have their 20 million dollar bonuses....now where were we?

Posted by: Still Enslaved | April 25, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

You fools don't realize something: the black vote was gone from Hillary long ago. Her approval rating is below 45%. Any Democrat--black or white--can't win without 90% of the black vote. Bill Clinton got 90% of the black vote, Al Gore got 90% of the black vote, John Kerry got 88% of the black vote. To accuse black people of racism in their voting patterns is absolutely insane. Hillary Clinton's 8% performance among blacks raises real questions about her electability in November--she's currently at Bush levels in the black community.

Clyburn was merely stating the obvious. Further, Obama's 38% of the white vote is actually higher than that--if you exclude the women who are voting on gender, not race it's probably about 43%. John Kerry got 37% of the white vote. The fact is that you don't have to win a majority of the majority to win an election.

Bill Clinton has been shameless in this campaign. He has permanently stained his reputation, and he will be forever viewed as George Wallace. For them to think that all can be forgiven by November is nuts. Finally, it isn't just blacks who will leave--it's the young people who Obama has attracted to the party. To discount and override our votes is to make the party a permanent minority.

PS--Obama's margin of victory in raw votes was higher in Maryland than it was in Pennsylvania (Obama won Maryland by 218,494 votes, and lost Pennsylvania by 213,234 votes). So there's nothing affirmative action about this--Obama won fair and square. But many people use affirmative action and racism as an excuse when they don't get what they want--especially Hillary Clinton, who is probably orchestrating all these racist comments from her campaign HQ in a vain attempt to scare Super Delegates.

Posted by: Not a racist | April 25, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

What is the point of some of you people posting LONG blogs, no one reads them. What is the TUCK you on.

Posted by: blogging | April 25, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

abbar...I think you are giving yourself to much credit with 5%. Goggled it...what's too fearful for you to announce that you are a believer in the Nation of Islam? My worst nightmare, a blackman with an education? Hardly, I believe in equality for all. Some of my best friends are educated people...although their education sometimes makes them at times snobbish and ignorant and not that wise in other matters. I believe I'll sleep very well tonight but thanks for thinking of me. And if you do read the article about Cosby (you would have to step beyond your bias and comfort zone)...you might find out how this so-called "Tom" actually works hard and tirelessly to enhance the lives of his communities. He's sort of like Dr. King...believing in the individuals to lift themselves up.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 10:36 PM

No not Nation Of Islam. I am much worst. We don't talk, we do. Have a good night and one more thing. I do not want to hurt anyone but if you start it we are more than ready. Good Night

Posted by: Jabbar | April 25, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Gosh, the threats do get tiresome.

The question here is why does the black community insist on voting in one block for the Dem party?

Wouldn't it work to their advantage to have 2 parties courting their vote?

Democrats don't have to do a damn thing ... they already have the black vote, and the Republicans don't even have to try, since they've been locked out.

Why would any party really care at this point? They know what the black vote will do.

Oh, and the reason the black community is attacking the Clintons is because they bailed out on them, and want to feel better about themselves by blaming the Clintons for utter nonsense.

Posted by: Deb from NC | April 25, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Threats from Clyburn only make whites hate Obama even more than before.

Bring it on, Jim.

Posted by: dennis | April 25, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

With the WHITE majority voting for Clinton, it will not be enough VOTES to beat McCain simply because McCain will be feeding into the same group and already has the sizeable WHITE vote. Blacks will vote for McCain to make a point to the Clintons. Do the math

Posted by: McCain | April 25, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I don't believe I've ever seen so much racism manifest itself at one time. The truth does hurt.

Clyburn's comments -- that Obama's black support is treated as if it doesn't matter -- by the people supposedly most incensed by it. One person saying blacks made life miserable for the Republicans and now are doing so for Dems. Another referring to "the blacks". Many claiming "blackmail", etc.

This is politics. Morality, honesty, decency left town a long time ago. Blacks and Dems have used each other since the 60s. It has been a classic patronage deal: blacks generate votes in exchange for programs and policies that were supposed to help the masses; they certainly made a group of politicians pretty powerful.

Any interest group maintains the right to withhold their support if circumstances change. Let some candidate say America should change its Mideast stance: Jews would withhold their votes and their contributions. That's no secret. Virtually every election cycle, politicians kowtow to the elderly and worship at the temple of Social Security, for fear of alienating THAT bloc of voters. Prop 187 cost Republicans a generation of Hispanic support, and CA -- Ronald Reagan's state -- has been out of play nationally for the GOP pretty much ever since.

But the standard is different for blacks. The party blamed blacks and progressives and feminists for defeat after defeat (when they really should have been blaming weak candidates like Jimmy Carter and Mondale and Mike Dukakis) and made them step to the rear. And meekly, these constituencies acquiesced, because they thought they had no alternative. This led to the rise of Bill CLinton, who, as more than a few commentators noted, governed like a moderate Republican. The Clintons called it triangulation. They were only aggressive as Democrats when their political survival depended on it, and then the party's most loyal constituencies were called into play, and they responded.

Blacks embraced the man who embarrassed Jesse Jackson and called out Sistah Souljah for political advantage, who kicked Lani Guinier to the curb, who shamed Jocelyn Elders. They called him the first black President, and most meant it with admiration, and he took it as such. They helped save his Presidency.

He returned the favor, he repaid their loyalty, by tolerating racial profiling and enacting welfare reform that bore heaviest upon some of his most loyal supporters.

Blacks sold themselves cheap to the Clintons. That they are now surprised that the Clintons so easily turned on them when it suited their needs should come as no shock. Just as it should be no shock that racists will raise their howls whenever blacks appear interested in discarding their robes of obsequiousness in the name of their own self-interest.

Hillary Clinton has won. She knew she couldn't win an election where her credibility was the central issue, and she had nothing to put on Obama, NOTHING, save his race. So she and her husband, enabled and assisted by their black lackeys who have kneeled so long they no longer remember how to stand, have reminded us constantly that Obama is black, and blacks aren't really like us, and they've let the natural racist inclination of so many whites who are afraid of that which they do not know to take its course. Because Obama's Achilles Heel is not that he is black. It is that he is black and new, and therefore, unknown.

Someday Jesus will return. He will be new to our eyes, and unknown. I should think most of my countrymen would prefer the Devil they know.

Posted by: gbooksdc | April 25, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

The bullying and intimidating treatment of Hillary Clinton continues. She gets it from the media, her opponent and the Republican Party. Now she's getting it from a member of her own party.

It figures.

If African-American voters want to stay away from the poles because Obama isn't on the ticket, well, that's their choice.

The brutal truth is this: Obama cannot connect with white, working class voters. Until he solves that problem, he's going to continue to bring his listless message of "change" and "unity" to a non-listening electorate. It's going to take more than high school and college kids to get him across the finish line, especially if he has has questionable associations with crooked characters and "reformed" domestic terrorists. I'll leave the Reverend out of it.

John McCain is going to be a very tough opponent. He's going to have Obama beat before he begins on Patriotism and National Security, two magnetic forces that move American voters. I don't see Obama winning the general election. At his best, he's going to run as strong as Stevenson in '52. At his worst, it will be McGovern all over again.

Posted by: PoliticalPuck | April 25, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Yes, yes, yes. Phony political posturing... inuendos.... negative sound bites.... The Democrat party's chickensssss are coming home to rooostt!

Posted by: Argue ! Argue ! | April 25, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

One thing is interesting about all this. The people who've been hit worst with "foot in mouth disease" - Bill Clinton, Rev. Wright, Clyburn, John Kerry, McCain's pastor who said God flooded NOLA because of gay pride - are all baby boomers. They were raised in a dynamic of confrontation and still act as though that's a dynamic that works. Along comes Obama, with a message that we all have to pull together to solve the problems that face us, and these boomers who still want to be the center of it all are doing all they can to tear that message apart. There is some serious generational envy going on here. Wright and Clyburn are to Obama what Bill is to Hillary.

Surrogates - KEEP YOUR DAMN MOUTHS SHUT!!!
Starstruck camera hogs...

Posted by: treetopflyer | April 25, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Check out the Republican party. You have a voice that counts here.????
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What has the GOP done for African Americans over the past 50 years? Feel free to list as many accomplishments as you can.

Posted by: Jim | April 25, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

For Obama supporters, VOTE for Nader/McCain if Clinton steals the nomination. I know you are going to do that ANYWAY.........

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For Clinton supporters, VOTE for Nader/McCain if Obama wins the nomination. I know you are going to do that ANYWAY.........

Posted by: Clinton 08 | April 25, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Jabbar...I think you are giving yourself to much credit with 5%. Goggled it...what's too fearful for you to announce that you are a believer in the Nation of Islam? My worst nightmare, a blackman with an education? Hardly, I believe in equality for all. Some of my best friends are educated people...although their education sometimes makes them at times snobbish and ignorant and not that wise in other matters. I believe I'll sleep very well tonight but thanks for thinking of me. And if you do read the article about Cosby (you would have to step beyond your bias and comfort zone)...you might find out how this so-called "Tom" actually works hard and tirelessly to enhance the lives of his communities. He's sort of like Dr. King...believing in the individuals to lift themselves up.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

It just amazes me now people don't get the point. He wasn't saying African Americans are entitled. He wasn't wining. He was saying that what the Clinton's are doing is marginalizing voters. Especially in Pennsylvnia that without the white vote he can't win, African American vote doesn't count. The Clinton's are marginalizing all voters in saying it doesn't matter if Obama has a majority in voters or delegates, the supperdelegates should chose her over him, because she is entitled to this nomination.

And if the Clinton's keep it up, many of those voters she would need if she is the nominee will just not show up, because they are feed. I'm feed up with the Clinton's and I'm white! If she is the nominee, I will not vote for her. Obama has wishful thinking when he says that no matter who is the nominee, we will all come together and support that person.

Hellary has divided the party to much in both ways, her supporters won't support the nominee if it were Obama and he won it fair. And they expect Obama supporters to support her if she steals the nomination? LOL

Charles
Bloomfield, Iowa

Posted by: Charles Sawyer | April 25, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

The people who are barking here they will vote for Clinton because the black guy is saying it the way it is are showing their true colors. THEY ARE RACIST and this is the small excuse to justify it.
These people do not deserve DEMOCRACY and their act is ensuring that their children won't have the luxury of the democracy. They want a a royal dynasty (Clintons) just because, it happens that guy available to be qualified is black. Usually, idiots get their wishes.

Posted by: Khalid | April 25, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

For Obama supporters, VOTE for Nader/McCain if Clinton steals the nomination. I know you are going to do that ANYWAY.........

Posted by: Obama 08 | April 25, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line: Blacks, good people and good Democrats as they are, are a minority. Whites are a majority. In a democracy, electoral politics are about lining up a majority of votes. You don't have to be Einstein to figure out what you need to do.

Posted by: dfs | April 25, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I hope the African American voters in this country are finally seeing how the Clintons have used you over the last several years. Take a look at how they talk a good talk, but if you get in their way they'll run right over you. The Republicans don't do this kind of backstabbing.

For years the Democrats have sold African Americans a bill of goods. They have promoted the message that government is the ONLY answer because you can't do it on your own. They have sent the message that people MUST depend on the government and not EVER stand on their own. They have put forth the idea that you were, are, and will always be.. victims, with no chance of rising above your current status. Check out the Republican party. You have a voice that counts here. You CAN make the American dream happen. This is a philosophy of small, limited government so that you can have maximum freedom and opportunity. What have you got to loose except that phony Clintonesque baloney?

Posted by: Come home | April 25, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Progress ...

Probably so. So what is your point? Are you really serious about change, or just making 'juencrow' noise? Remember, "A journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step." It seems to me that you are commenting from the peanut gallery at about the 495th step, with no idea of what has come before, nor any concept of what can come at step 496 onward. If you are serious, then step up to the plate, or get back under the porch. A divided house can never stand. Are you ready to build something or are you just another wanna/never to be?

Posted by: bldlcc | April 25, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Here comes the gradual and self imploding destruction of the Democratic party. The Dems have lost track of the goal and are on the verge of self destructing. Its fast becoming a race war out there.

An Obama or a Clinton Presidency would be better than more of the same from a McCain Presidency. People do not lose focus regardless of the Clinton's campaign antics

Posted by: projectscope2002@yahoo.com | April 25, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

As a black man, I find Clyburn's assertion that he speaks for me both offensive and intellectually dishonest. This guy is a surreptitious Obama supporter who claims to be neutral so that his opinion carries more weight. He periodically pops up to stir up some manufactured controversy he apparently believes would help his candidate. I like Senator Obama, but I value intellectual honesty on all sides more

Posted by: Renshaw | April 25, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Black politicians are betraying the Clintons & supporting Oanam for one reason: Obama is a mullatto & that's as close as they're getting to the White House.

Keep the White House White!

Posted by: dylan | April 25, 2008 10:25 PM

America is so free and loving. I really hope people in the Middle East are reading this. Keep up the fight Iraq, this is what Democracy is all about. And they want to give it to you.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I Would take 8 more years of BUSH and a lot of my other friends before I VOTE for the Clintons. That is how people feel about the CLINTONS.

Posted by: 8 More Years of Bush | April 25, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

She doesn't expect to win, she just wants to sink Obama's ship so she can run again in 4 years, rather than waiting eight years for Obama to complete his two terms.

Posted by: Christopher | April 25, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

If my man Obama doesn't get into office, the gloves come off. Whites have ruled this country for 250 years while it's Black people who built this country. It's our turn at the wheel.

OBAMA in 2008!

Posted by: Obama, yo MAma | April 25, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Jim...a white Obama would win by a landslide.
Case in point: Bush Sr & Bush Jr.

~no applause brothers...please

Posted by: Still Enslaved | April 25, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse


Jim I'm a white woman, 53, and I don't care if he is blue or purple, I'm supporting him for his ideas not his color. You sound like a true idiot.


Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Jabbar...glad you commented on my comment about the "absent black man" the statement came from the Atlantic Monthly magazine. You can read right? Anyway the man I quoted was a black man named Bill Cosby. You should go read it....it might just educate you to a severe problem. Then you can worry about the other issues that are out there but not as prevalent.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 10:18 PM


I'm still here. Cosby is what we call a Tom. He made his wealth entertaining white people. Oh, and I can read. I am your worst nightmare(A Blackman with an education). I'm also 5%, google it.

Posted by: Jabbar | April 25, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Yes Terry...so glad your heart was lifted and you want to God Bless men like Mr. Wright...as he postures and yells around his podium "God Damn America". What a sweet guy you adore.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse


"The Democratic Party should finally tell the blacks to find someone else to leach off of. See if the Republicans would take them back, they love Lincoln so much.
When are blacks going to stop blaming Whites for not getting ahead.
It's a pity the South lost the Civil War."

The *real* pity is, that your mom didn't have an abortion instead of you.

Posted by: SteveCO | April 25, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Boy you guys are making what Obama said about us look like a real compliment THANKS. I'm feeling better...not gonna change but feeling better!

Posted by: Religious, Bitter & Armed | April 25, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Based on his background and experience, what percentage of African Americans would be supporting Obama if he (and Michelle) were not part black?
Would only 5% be supporting Hillary Clinton in this case??
Well, would a white Obama actually be running for President?

Posted by: Jim | April 25, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse


Re: Immigrants and ethnic minorities who slam African-Americans because of their "outrageous" demands, there is no minority or immigrant in this country who hasn't benefited from the sacrifices of African-Americans. Civil rights, protected by law benefit all Americans regardless of race or gender. This is what makes America great. African-American's don't really vote because of race, they vote for what's in their best interests. Most African Americans know that in regards to his ethnic, and cultural background, Barack Obama has more in common with the average white American than with the average African-American. African-Americans have given him their support because they believe that what he represents is in the best interests of America and all Americans including themselves. The covert allusions to race introduced by the Clintons was a mean spirited, and unfortunately successful, attempt to distract people from the issues and to and stir up the primitive "stick with your own clan" mentality. James Clyburn is not threatening an African American boycott. He is warning that this attempt to inject the "your clan/my clan" stuff can only result in failure for any democratic candidate.

Posted by: Can't we all just get along? | April 25, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: | April 25, 2008 10:18 PM
"I think it would be a real hoot if blacks turned out to be so spiteful by not voting for Hillary Clinton in november if she became the nominee for the democratic party and just didn't vote at all........can you imagine all the pure animosity the clintons would have towards the blacks oh that look on Hillary's face would be priceless at John Mcains swearing in as President in Jan 2009"

If Obama wins the Democratic nomination then Hillary can be wearing a smile at McCains swearing in. Obama can gain experience in the job he ran for but wasn't really engaged in...just a stepping stone.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I have just watched Rev. Wright's entire interview with Bill Moyer, wow what a beautiful human being. Hannity and the rest of the attack media should hang their heads in shame. He is more of a Christian in his little pinky than they are in their entire empty headed bodies.

And like he says when something bad happens, good will come from it. Obama will be the next President of the United States.

God Bless America for giving us men like the Rev. Wright.

Posted by: Terry | April 25, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

So, if Clyburn speaks for blacks (which he obviously purports to and he's getting the coverage to prove it), he may not realize that he's making some non-black people a little worried about the idea of black president. Threats? This is how they do government in Iraq - minority groups flexing their muscles with threats - NOT what we need here. Personally, I think it's a little scary. I'm not voting for Obama but, frankly, it's more because of his newbie followers than him.

Posted by: Susan | April 25, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Clyburn is this weeks Obama spokesperson. The person that makes the most outrageous statement becuase his PR person of the week.

Posted by: OneFreeMan | April 25, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

To be honest, at this point I'd rather see McCain in there than Obama, with threats like this being hurled at us "if" we don't all support Obama. How ridiculous.
Some win, some lose in politics. We've all had a candidate we like lose at some point. We don't issue threats beforehand. This has gotten way out of hand.
GO HILLARY

Posted by: Veronica | April 25, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Quite obvious who the uneducated and illiterate people support. If you take the time to LISTEN what Rep. Clyburn has said about the matter is that he heard these on the floor of the senate. Does that not matter to you? He's exactly right when he says...."I think that the way everybody has been reporting this Pennsylvania thing, it's almost saying black people don't matter. Only thing that matters is how white people respond. And that's what bothered me. I think I matter." It shouldn't surprise anybody that the Clinton's would committ fraud to get their way. They have a list a mile long with their illegal activity during their political careers. I don't care if they've been convicted of a crime or not...they have sold their souls so why the hell should they care about destroying Sen. Obama? Their $109 mil will come in handy to pay atty's fees to get them out of a jam......AGAIN! They are currently being sued for campaign fraud in a courtroom in Calif....which I have no doubt they are guilty as hell. Rep. Clyburn is a top ranking Democrat..so why would he jeopardize his reputation? This democratic campaign primary is a joke and the american people should have known the Clinton's would again embarrass the United States. If she loses the democratic nomination, she will be begging Sen. Obama to be his VP. The Clinton's are like flies on poop, they just don't go away!
By the 'tone' of these comments, I have no doubt this country has gone back 50 years. I also don't doubt there will be an uprising if the DNC hands Sen. Clinton the nomination or they destroy Obama's chances of becoming president. Their feeling of entitlement is a strong one and because of this they will commit a crime to regain the power.

Posted by: Candy Barr | April 25, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

....OH KATY....
WE'VE GOT YOUR DELEGATES!!!
and stay tuned: Obama to replace Lincoln on the penny!

Posted by: Still Enslaved | April 25, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

So now Clyburn arrogantly supposes that he will BLACKMAIL the Democratic Party into nominating Obama. Well, I'm a Black American, I fully support Hillary Clinton, and NOBODY does my thinking for me - not Clyburn or anyone else. IF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY NOMINATES OBAMA, I WILL VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN. PERIOD. JUST WHO THE HELL DOES THIS CLYBURN THINK HE IS?

________________________________
Well-said

Posted by: QDEWS | April 25, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic Party should finally tell the blacks to find someone else to leach off of. See if the Republicans would take them back, they love Lincoln so much.

When are blacks going to stop blaming Whites for not getting ahead.

It's a pity the South lost the Civil War.

Posted by: dylan | April 25, 2008 10:14 PM

Bring it devil, we are right here. Have you ever heard of Nat Turner. freedom was coming rather you liked it or not. And we don't give a dam about Lincoln or Martin. Those are the heroes your people are trying to shove down our necks.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

mr.clyburn is correct if hillary is the nominee there will be strong efforts to get blacks not to support her.people are sick and tired of the unnecessary attacks coming from the clinton campaign and the mainstream media.people better get ready to start saying president mccain.hillary attitude towards senator obama is that, if i can't have it, i'm going to do everything in my power to see that you don't get it.well to hillary if you get it the black electorate is going to do everything to see that you're not elected.

Posted by: ron | April 25, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Then why the hell is Jim Clyburn not endorsing Obama?

Posted by: vmunikoti | April 25, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Jabbar...glad you commented on my comment about the "absent black man" the statement came from the Atlantic Monthly magazine. You can read right? Anyway the man I quoted was a black man named Bill Cosby. You should go read it....it might just educate you to a severe problem. Then you can worry about the other issues that are out there but not as prevalent.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

AFRICAN-AMERICANS, GO AWAY! WE DEMOCRATS DON'T WANT YOU. OFF WITH YOU. BYE, BYE!

Posted by: No African-Americans Required. | April 25, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

I think it would be a real hoot if blacks turned out to be so spiteful by not voting for Hillary Clinton in november if she became the nominee for the democratic party and just didn't vote at all........can you imagine all the pure animosity the clintons would have towards the blacks oh that look on Hillary's face would be priceless at John Mcains swearing in as President in Jan 2009

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats need to stop ignoring Latinos and Asians. We need more Asians and Latinos in Congress, and on the bench. Instead of just having Asian accountants and businessmen, we need more Asian CEO's of American companies. We need more Latinos in the corporate world.

PROGRESS FOR ALL MINORITIES INCLUDING LATINOS AND ASIANS. Or is the Democratic party racist against these groups?

Posted by: Progress for All Minorities | April 25, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

If Rodham steals the nomination she has already lost, the blacks won't be the only ones ticked off.

Posted by: Southern Old White Boy Against the Shrew | April 25, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

So now Clyburn arrogantly supposes that he will BLACKMAIL the Democratic Party into nominating Obama. Well, I'm a Black American, I fully support Hillary Clinton, and NOBODY does my thinking for me - not Clyburn or anyone else. IF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY NOMINATES OBAMA, I WILL VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN. PERIOD. JUST WHO THE HELL DOES THIS CLYBURN THINK HE IS?

Posted by: jhncrsp | April 25, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Is this a THREAT? I'm really sick of this.
This is not the first time this man has stirred the pot. What is his problem?
Go Hillary!

Posted by: Toni | April 25, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Tim...sorry about the paranoia...started when the government tried messing with my Negro College Fund. Don't worry Obama will make it right again...just in time for graduate studies.
P.S. Katy

Posted by: Still Enslaved | April 25, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

But if we want to talk about how good of father's and husband's the current population is to their women and children...well there is something we can talk about.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 9:55 PM

We can talk about how every time I turn the TV on I see a white man who has killed his entire family on the news. We can talk about priest raping little boys too.

Posted by: Jabbar | April 25, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Time and time again the Clinton campaign had used the race card to draw away the white blue-collar voters' support from Obama. If it was not the race card, it was the smear card. If it wasn't the smear card then it was the fear card.

Hillary's victory in Pennsylvania can largely be attributed to such dirty tactics. Bill Clinton's race-tinged comments are neither innocent nor naive observations. They are calculated campaign ploy. By evoking the racial prejudice, he is rallying the middle-class white voters to his wife's side.

If the elders of the Democratic Party do not act and act immediately to stop the Clintons from pursuing this destructive path, there is this real danger of not only the Democrats losing the presidential race, but also seeing the racial polarisation within the party leading to its self disintegration!

Posted by: JISantiago | April 25, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Clyburn said, "I think that the way everybody has been reporting this Pennsylvania thing, it's almost saying black people don't matter. Only thing that matters is how white people respond. And that's what bothered me. I think I matter."

In politics, you don't matter if you become a reflexive voter. Blacks are lining up to vote for Obama even when they are dirt poor and have no idea what the fanciful rhetoric of his speeches mean.

There is a reflexive black vote for Obama. Therefore, it makes no difference what the opponent does, because she can't get them, and it makes no different what Obama does, because he won't lose them.

It is the thinking, moving voter who becomes important. That is why blacks have made themselves irrelevant in this election and middle-aged white males and females have become, as might be expected, the dominant vote to fight for.

Posted by: Annette Keller | April 25, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Clyburn is absolutely right. The Clintons poison everything they touch.

Posted by: Yuri Lipitzmeov | April 25, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

When we they say if Hillary wins she steals the nomination from the blacks.and they will be mad!!!!!.is horrendously bias..as that means the blacks are only going to be voting in the color of someones skin..So to infer the blacks only will be backing Obama..and we are some how suppose to head off this great unjustice by HILLARY >>LAUGHABLE!!PEOPLE ARE SO BIAS AGAINST HILLARY THEY DON"T EVEN REALIZE THE OBVIOUSNESS OF THEIR OWN BIAS COMMENTS??? GO HILLARY!!

Posted by: Katy | April 25, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Kassandra....what the???? Sorry but my computer doesn't come with a software to decipher insanity.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

houstonian:
"This contest has been only a reminder to the whites, remember who you are and vote for Hillary. To the blacks, just know your place and vote for Hillary."

Really? I don't see over 90% of whites voting for Hillary, tho of course, over 90% of black voters have voted for Obama. See how stupid you sound?

It's more like, hey blacks, vote for Obama *because he's black*. Pretend the Clintons are racists. Bring out all the heavy black shriekers (believe me, I'm quite aware of all the WHITE hot airbags as well...)and have them interpret everything said by Hillary and Bill in the worst possible way.

You talk about treating black people like robots.

It ain't gonna work.

Posted by: SteveCO | April 25, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Still Enslaved...you seem to be paranoid by a whole list of issues. You should narrow that down a bit. Enjoy life before it's over.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Wow how hyprocritical is this society who repeatedly criticize Hillary over and over of things that she has not said, or done or has control of..How ignorant to say that she is offending the black voters because she got only 8 percent of the black vote ...and she won. and .what about the 92 percent??.SO IN OTHER WORDS 92 percent of blacks voted for their own and no consideration for Hillary's merits..only voting for color of skin...mmmmm and we are to believe that is Hillarys fault??? NOT!!!!!!!!.HEY they created those voting statistics not us.! THEY VOTED FOR THEIR OWN!! OK guess the white voters are not so bias or HILLARY SURELY WOULD OF WALKED AWAY WITH THE ELECTIONS IF ALL THE WHITES VOTED FOR WHITES>>MMMM over 93 percent of the black voters voted for Black Obama..(at least that is what color he is claiming he is these days)YEt a significantly greater number of whites voted for Obama..WHERE DO WE SEE RACIST VOTING????DO THE MATH..not on the side of the white..anyway...VOTES COME IN BY ALL COLORS>>WE COUNT THE VOTES NOT THE COLORS>>and THE RACIST STATEMENT SAID OVER AND OVER >>THAT THE BLACKS WILL BE OUTRAGED IF THEY LOSE THIS ELECTIONS>>WELL THEY WON"T IF THEY QUIT VOTING FOR THEIR RACE AND STOP Staying UNENGAGED>>AND VOTE FOR THE MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE AND BOTHER TO FIND OUT THE BAGGAGE OF OBAMA..but to suggest that whole states votes should not be counted to sway the election results so we don't offend the blacks "CANDIDATE" CAN WE GET ANY MORE BIAS AND RACIST HERE.?? TO SUGGEST IF HILLARY WINS SHE STOLE THE ELECTION... HOW BIAS DOES THAT SOUND..Nobody is going to hand her this election ....but the Democratic party would do well to not punish whole states for the acts of few and give Hillary her votes as both parties in some form were represented in MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA..HOW They were represented was chosen by the candidate..maybe we should weight that reasoning a little more..anyway both candidates under the same set of circumstances in Florida and Michigan and HIllary blew Obama out of the water..He chose to be classified as an uncommitted and she beat all the uncommitted in Michigan what don;t we know?? The democrates are withholding VOTES >>YES HERE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE???? IF EVERY STATE IS NOT COUNTED THEN THIS ELECTION IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL PERIOD!! HILLARY IS WINNING THE POPULAR VOTE AND TO INFER OTHERWISE IS A LIE>>AS SHE STANDS TODAY SHE HAS GOTTEN MORE VOTES THAN ANY DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES>>WHAT IS YET TO BE DETERMINED IF THE PUNISHMENT OF HOLDING THE PRIMARY EARLY BY A FEW>>WARRANTS TAKING AWAY WHOLE STATES FULL OF PEOPLES RIGHT TO VOTE???? AND IF HOWARD DEAN HAS COMMON SENSE TO LETTING THE VOTES SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES>>OR INFLICT PUNISHMENT TO MILLIONS OF PEOPLE AND TAKE AWAY THEIR RIGHTS TO VOTE!!..Hillary has been accused of alot of thing but raciist is not one..and for that matter when Bill was in the presidency some called him the black president for the way he was for the black people. TACTICS.To try to blame Hillary for everything but the kitchen sink..is sounding a bit familiar..NO OBAMA>..HILLARY 2008!!

Posted by: Katy | April 25, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

BLACKS have VOTED for WHITES all their life and NEVER mentioned RACISM and played dirty tricks to bring race into the game. Now that a BLACK is running for PRESIDENT , look at what the WHITE folks/media are doing.

I do not have a problem with WHITE people because if it wasn't for a white man I would not be making 70K a year.

Posted by: Kassandra | April 25, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

this racial debate is serving the republicans' interests.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Lilly1...stop being so silly. Al Gore cost Al Gore the election. "We'll create a lock box"...boring...boring individual. I had to choke just to vote for him.

Bill offered to help Gore but he turned him down. Gore couldn't even carry his own state...so stop making up this crap about the Clinton's. Think with your head not your butt!

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Jim...I don't believe Lincoln is tossing in his grave...he is thoroughly dead...killed by a white man. ...Oh great, another thing I have to be paranoid about.

Posted by: Still Enslaved | April 25, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

jojoju!

I've been to France and followed the news in France for decades. The French say there is no race, but the reality is Racism is alive and well as is ethnic and religious bias (remember the riots). Large numbers of ethnic and religious minorities are relegated to living in segregated slums and are excluded from jobs and other opportunities because of entrenched prejudice. In my estimation, France is much worse than the Etats Unis when it comes to race relations. We openly acknowledge and air openly our racial laundry resulting in major advances for all of our citizens. There it festers and people pretend that the stinking truth doesn't exist.

Posted by: BeentoFrance | April 25, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

"To the Brothas statement...So since I didn't live during the Civil war...about 150 years ago...I don't think I nor anyone in my family enslaved anyone. Nor have we raped anyone."
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LOL... I am sure my family was starving somewhere in Europe at the time. Life has sucked for many people, including the American slaves. I doubt that starving and dying from disease in Europe was much better than picking cotton.

Posted by: Jim | April 25, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

In all fairness, Clyburn didn't issue a threat. He issued an observation that Bill Clinton has been a jackass. He said what many people have known for the last 2 decades. That Bill and Hildabeast are phony. They will say things that tend to make people feel they are being taken for granted, (be they black or white). He is saying that if the Clintons keep marginalizing black voters, sooner or later they'll realize how phony the Clintons are and it will reflect poorly on the party as a whole. I don't think that's blackmail. I think it's accurate. I don't know Clyburn. I probably disagree with his politics. But I think in all fairness this was not about blackmail or arrogance on his part.

I'm amazed at the thoughts about race on this blog. Can't you see what's happening to your objectivity? People are getting emotional when they should be getting analytical. (Yes, I know they don't teach that in schools anymore.)

I'm not voting for Obama. But it's not because he's black. It's because he hasn't sold me on the idea. (Does this make me racist?) Just what is he going to CHANGE anyway? Daylight savings? Which side of the street we drive on? Will he create a new agency to promote the advancement of the hokey pokey in our schools, What?? (Does this make me mean sprited to ask such questions? I mean, look I just want to know what the stands for, okay?) I also believe he's too inexperienced. (Name me ONE bill that he has authored that actually DID anything noteworthy.) I also think would tax us to death. (Does that make me racist?) Oh, and yes, he's probably the best speaker in the whole lot, but that's not what I'm looking for in a president. It's the ISSUES, stupid. (Remember those things?)

I'm not voting for the Hildabeast either. And it's not because she's a woman. It's because her history shows a pattern of lying and patronizing I just can't stomach. (Does this make me sexist?) She also would wreck the Health care in this country. Hey it may have it's problems, but it's still a better system than Canada or France where they have nationalized health care. Anything that the government runs they manage to botch it up with buraucracy and waste.(Am I being sexist yet?) It's the ISSUES, stupid.

I guess I'll hold my nose and vote for McCain. I don't like him. He's white and male like me, but I don't like him. He's old, he's wishy washy. He strikes me as somewhat spineless and he's got a whiny voice. But, he wants to handle Iraq in a way that won't lead to a short-sighted pull out that could cause tens of thousands of deaths of Iraqi citizens. That's kind of important. (Does this make me a war-monger) It also means Iraq won't become a new home for terrorist groups. (Does that make me bigot cuz I'm gonna vote for the white guy?) And he wants to not raise taxes. That's something that I care about when the economy is bad. (Am I being a member of the 'good old boys' club?) And he'll nominate justices for the Supreme court that are more likely to be Constitutionally-minded than ones that will legislate from the bench. How would I know this? Because. I study the candidates voting record. Not just what they put out on their website. It's the ISSUES stupid.

I'll vote for a black woman midget nominee if she has the right ISSUES... It has nothing to do with sex and race or shoe size. If I vote for an Irish guy because I'm Irish, or if I vote for an Asian woman because I'm an Asian woman, regardless of their stance on things, then I'm being STUPID!!!

Posted by: ITS THE ISSUES STUPID | April 25, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons cost Al Gore the election in 2000 and they are trying to destroy Obama's chances in 2008 as well. It's time for the Democratic Party to rid itself of the Clinton scourge once and for all.

Posted by: Lilly1 | April 25, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Clyburn is RIGHT. I will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER vote for the CLINTONS. I rather VOTE for Ralph Nader. Clinton does not have a chance in He11 of winning but is deadset on DESTORYING the party. Karma is a BEETCH.

Posted by: Kassandra | April 25, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

First Rev. Wright on PBS saying he's being persecuted by the media who played his comments out of context. Now this.

I wonder if they will connect Obama's falling numbers among whites with these paranoid, angry and white-punishing voices.

Posted by: Annette Keller | April 25, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

This ia a tough situation. Obama has polarized the black vote given he is a role model. A natural affinity has occurred. If he hadn't run, the Clinton's who have a long history of inclusion and support in the African American community would have their support. Clyburn's negative comments seem to be building on Obama's race speech which in fact to many seems to have created more of a rift, by negating all the positive efforts that have been made in last 40 yrs. Democrats need to win in November to get this country back on the right track. Given the close race, it may be the superdelegates who decide. Clyburn's comments are certainly not a unifying message! If it is meant to be a warning than it reverberates Wright's incendiary comments which further
pushes people away. Democrats are inclusive and we should be focusing on winning the general election w/ a ticket that can beat the Republican machine. Clyburn's comments are very unsettling.

Posted by: Laurenr1 | April 25, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

not clinton again!

Your goofy laundry list was cooked up back in 1991-1992 and added to over the years by a number of people from Arkansas and Illinois among other Clinton haters. Most people in this country already know that a few nitwits bankrolled an effort to sink the Clintons.

It's an old story-get a life.

Posted by: Illinois Republican | April 25, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Wow! White people are evil.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous, thank you for your post. I too do not understand why people equate what other people say to the Obama campaign. No one person speaks for an entire race.

Posted by: realitycheck | April 25, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Republicans aren't worried because they realized they couldn't count on blacks years ago.

It's about time the Democratic Party stopped relying on these lying back stabbing black politicians & let them go find their own party.

13% ain't gonna get them nowhere!

Posted by: dennis | April 25, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

As an Obama supporter I'm calling BS on this one. This is racial blackmail. The South Carolina primary is over. There's nothing in what he said that couldn't have been said 2 months ago. His main beef seems to be, "Why are you acting as though there are more white people than black?"

Since Iowa Days! wrote - "I am more fearful of his associations with certain black leaders like Clyburn and Jackson. Their motivations for electing Obama is totally different than mine therefore, I will decline to vote for Obama."

Guilt by association's bad enough, but when there's not any association to begin with? Other than skin color, exactly what association is there between Obama and Clyburn or Jackson? Do you have any proof that Clyburn was speaking at Obama's behest?

Posted by: treetopflyer | April 25, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Bias and prejudice unfortunately exist-both ways. Bill Clinton can't help himself at times, he needs to get attention focused on himself. But his comments about Obama and Jackson did not upset the African-American community UNTIL the Obama camp claimed that Clinton was using the race card.

But Clinton now gets blamed for being a racist and one can assume that all 'whites' are considered racist.

Perceptions may be reality to some people, but one has to consider that perceptions among African-Americans were 'stimulated' by some crafty people and well meaning individuals have fallen into the trap.

Hillary Clinton commented on the bridge that is necessary between races in order to move beyond our problems. She tied in LBJ's passion to get the Civil Rights Act passed and how that helped to move MLK Jr's dream ahead. In other words, whites and African Americans need to work together - but she was ridiculed for what she said because 'someone' figured they could gain political mileage out of her comments.

Whites need to stop thinking of African Americans as a 'minority' and start thinking of them as partners. African Americans need to stop being duped into thinking every white is a racist and begin thinking of them as partners.

Lincoln is probably tossing around in his grave.

Posted by: Jeff | April 25, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Paul Stewart....you get the nod for a well thought post. Seriously...you've said A LOT all in one. Interesting...

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 25, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

woody2471, makes several cogent points. Given the history of this country, and not just the south, it is abundantly clear from whom the hate and politically- enforced (vs mere vocal gesticulations)bigotry emanates. Any utterance from those hated in condemnation of the prevailing social ethic of hate and erstwhile dehumanization acts as a clarion call for the 'faithful' to arise and to with one voice condemn the utterer as being a 'hater' themselves in order to preserve the fabric of social privelege and to dispense with the painful cognitave dissonance that results from realizing that long held 'Truths' are not much more than pedestrian tribal self-justifications subject to cynical political manipulation.

Further the recipients of this color-based privelege then axiomatically work to discredit the utterer and to reinforce their myopic worldview by parading a laundry list of examples of how the hated community is rife with all manner of crime, degradation and social perniciousness, while similary disregarding or conviently overlooking the same behavior among legions of their own ranks, most particularly within their own extended families.

So it is and has always been in America, founded on the premise that though all men (genericlly speaking) were created equal and entitled to life, liberty and to the pursuit of happiness, people of African origin were merely 3/5 of a person with no entitlements to human recognition whatsoever. Say what you will to rationalize your sickness on these boards and to your like minded enabling brethren, in your heart of hearts you know that it is you who continue to perpetuate the prevailing pandemic out of your inherited culture of fear and loathing.

For every example you give to rationalize your intolerant intransigence, I can cite you at least one and probably several more in refutation, but those of you conditioned to blindness and deafness have the hardest time regaining sight and hearing: and appeals to reason and to enlightened discourse rapidly devolve into the proverbial, Biblically referenced act of casting pearls before swine (figuratively speaking, of course.)

So it is as it is. But at least have the common decency to be honest about your beliefs, as opposed to resorting to telling transferance. While you may be able to succeed in your utter hatred and disregard of all who are not (and who frighten) you - Sadly, even your so-called loved ones are not exempt from your power and control fixations - and though your may be currently able to usurp God's rightful power of deigning who lives and who dies, even this consruct is only for a time. NOTHING in creation is as powerful as a simple idea whose time has come. Tick. Tock!

Posted by: bldlcc | April 25, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

There's nothing new here. Both sides have been playing the "if my guy doesn't win, there will be dire consequences" tune. Look at all of the Hillary supporters who are telling the pollsters that they'll stay home or vote for McSame if she doesn't get the nomination. Everyone's trying to scare the superdelegates into backing their favored candidate.

The problem is that when you play with gender and race, you're playing with dynamite. Unless folks revert to adult-like behavior soon and put their party and country above their personal demographics, we'll be seeing two more Antonio Scalias on the Supreme Count bench in a couple of years.

Posted by: FrankO | April 25, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

That's the thanks the Clintons get for supporting civil rights causes.

The Clintons should have figured out years ago that blacks will turn on whites as soon as one their own is in the race.

Don't trust Obama!

Posted by: dennis | April 25, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

To the Brothas statement...So since I didn't live during the Civil war...about 150 years ago...I don't think I nor anyone in my family enslaved anyone. Nor have we raped anyone.

But if we want to talk about how good of father's and husband's the current population is to their women and children...well there is something we can talk about.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm white, let me say that upfront. The Dems have been taking the black vote for granted for years. African-Americans are expected to vote Democratic and they do. In return they get promises and not much else. If I were an African-American I would be outraged that my vote is expected by the Dems and if I vote any other way I am an Uncle Tom. If I am a conservative I am a traitor to my race. Just look at how black conservatives are treated by their own people.

Posted by: john | April 25, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

The fact is - NO DEMOCRAT CAN WIN the WHITE HOUSE without the AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTE.
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ANOTHER fact is - NO DEMOCRAT CAN WIN the WHITE HOUSE without A LOT OF NON-AFRICAN AMERICAN VOTES AS WELL. If the Obama people continue to play race, the Democrats will surely lose. He decided to get Blacker for the South and it has cost him a lot of support elsewhere. Do you really think Obama would actually carry Dixie in November??

Posted by: Jim | April 25, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Part of the problem is Bill Clinton's apparent lack of insight to the interracial truth that whether or not he intended his remark to be insulting, people say he was insulting. In a racial dissonance, whether Bill feels his remark did belittle Obama (to this white person, it doesn't appear that the remark does), he should be sensitive to the fact that others may have really been offended and Bill should let it go. I.e. Bill Clinton appears to be insensitive in that he thinks he can know what blacks should feel offended by and what they should not.

The other problem appears to be a certain -- shall we say, hypervigilance -- on the part of the allegedly offended blacks, that seems grounded in the same kind of racial paranoia, feelings of persecution, hypersensitivity and belligerent defensiveness that we see in the Rev. Wright videos. The black leaders who are pressing their accusations of race-baiting may be unaware that they come off as being shrill, hypervigilant and hypersensitive.

The losers appear to be both the Clintons and the black community. Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton are clearly in some black community leaders' sights, and are getting damaged in those communities. On the other hand, Obama and his supporters who are pressing these hypervigilant defensive attacks seem shrill and unreasonable to white people. Clyburn says the Clintons are alienating blacks. But who gets more hurt by the alienation?

Ultimately, Obama suffers, as does the entire black community, as white voters are increasingly turned off by this shrill anti-white behavior. It seems that if there is any new tone in American politics that Obama is bringing, that tone is one of an angry black voice criticizing whites belligerently and with undue resentment, if not paranoid racism. It seems unlikely that there will be another white politician who so closely adopts black agendas and embraces a black constituency again, given the treatment the Clintons have gotten for their sin of competing against a credible black candidate for President.

Posted by: Annette Keller | April 25, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Threats from Clyburn only make whites hate Obama even more than before.

Bring it on, Jim.

Posted by: dennis | April 25, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Can you see this Brothas. I guess Oboma really is black enough. What happened to his white side? Do you white people think that Obama will turn him back on him own mother? I'm sure he loves her. I don't think Obama will ever do anything to hurt his mother or her people. Why should he? Why do white people think we black people want to hurt them? Who enslaved who? Who raped and murder who?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse


Sam Nunn has endorsed Obama. He isn't exactly a liberal.

Robert Reich, Clinton's labor secretary, has endorsed Obama.

George Schultz, a republican declared on Charlie Rose that he likes Obama.

These true patriots will join the Realist Party in a snap because they know the current party division is meaningless since both of the existing parties are controlled by neocons.


Posted by: Strategist | April 25, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand how if the present heated Clinton-Obama contest continues it will have dire consequences for African American support of Hillary Clinton. It is obvious that African Americans are not supporting her now and probably will never again support her in hard numbers. Also, Although I voted for Clinton in the Ohio primary and still prefer her over Obama, it is also self evident that Obama is going to be the democratic nominee. He will probably close the deal on May 6.

Therefore, if Hillary Clinton is not going to be the democratic nominee, I'm confused as to how any loss of African-American support will have a dire consequences for her. Is Rep. Clyburn suggesting that it will effect her chances in the event that she decides to seek another term as Senator. If so I believe his reasoning is severely flawed.

Posted by: Tom | April 25, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

GinVa...you are so full of it with this comment: "Geez, I'm white and I have been startled and offended by the Clinton's race-baiting" Really...what pushed you over the edge?! Do tell us...it must have been horrible for you! Did you seek counciling?!

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

It seems like couple of years ago, Senator Obama won Iowa. He beat very formidable candidates. I was very excited to vote for Obama in the general election if he was the nominee.

Since then, things are not the same any more. These black leaders are trying to demoralize President Clinton for his minor comments during the campaign. In my non-partisan opinion, he is not racist. If black folks can not accept what he said during the campaign, Obama should not be our nominee.

Obama is running for the toughest job in the world, The President of the Unites States.

These black leaders are talking as if quote system should also apply to job of The President of the Unites States.

I really do not blame Senator Obama. He seems like very fine candidate who can do certain goods things in this country.

I am more fearful of his associations with certain black leaders like Clyburn and Jackson. Their motivations for electing Obama is totally different than mine therefore, I will decline to vote for Obama.

Posted by: Since Iowa Days! | April 25, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Clynburn and other black leaders who get anxious about Senator Obama should just chill. Senator Obama has done a great job against tremendous odds. He is surrounded by brilliant people and he will get the nomination. Please do not be a stumbling block for him. He is loved, adored, respected and supported by millions of people across racial lines.

Posted by: Kokie | April 25, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

maybe white people should stop listening to black people and we'll see where the nation will be at.

Posted by: reality speaks | April 25, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic Party has made their bed and now must lie in it. For the last few decades, Dems have promoted the victim ideology, creating new special victimized classes whenever possible. In the Democratic Party, what's important is being a woman, or black, or gay, or part of any group that's perceived as a marginal group in society. (Of course, the women's group is a bit of a parasite on the civil rights group, since women make up over half of the population and are found in all socio-economic levels)

Being part of a special victimized class is now more important than your principles, and perhaps the only important factor. That's a pretty sad regression for the Democratic Party. To be fair, it appears that Obama is rejecting the victim ideology, or suggesting it is time to move on from that way of thinking. But that type of free thinking in a black man has not been acceptable since the death of Martin Luther King- just ask Clarence Thomas and Bill Cosby. And I think Obama would be stuck within the current victimhood movement if he were elected.

What many don't realize is that black men have more in common with white men than they do with black women. Women don't mind playing a victim. Sympathy and assistance from others (whether it is a spouse, family, or society) has not only been acceptable in our society, but is openly encouraged within all societies. So the victimization ideology is nothing new for women.

For men, though, society has always required them to be independent, resourceful, and productive, so that they would be capable of helping a woman in need and the children she gives birth to. So the victimization ideology is offensive and demeaning to men.

As a result, we have seem black women thriving at a faster pace than any other group under our country's recent expansion of victim ideology, special class politics, and socialized support, while black men have declined just as sharply. This trend is cultivated across all races by the fact that, in most cases, a household needs two incomes just to survive, which has decreased the relative importance of men who are now just one of two breadwinners and often enough not the primary earner.

The Democratic Party today promotes a social vision that assists women without promoting men within the family and society. Unfortunately, blacks feel there are no political alternatives and are often fearful to speak out. (Again, go ask Clarence Thomas and Bill Cosby) Without such freedom of political thought, the black community, and black men in particular, are still enslaved. But now the master wears blue instead of gray.

Posted by: Christopher | April 25, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why so many people automatically equate what Wright or Clyburn says with what Obama says.

Black folks don't automatically speak for each other just because they're black. Obama has struggled to be considered "black" by the black community (because he's biracial), and now this presidential race has gotten so ugly that it's like all men of color are considered the same person. Ironically, this is exactly what Clyburn is arguing: that black voters are lumped together and used for political gain.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Typical White Male, you're the reason black people want to vote for a black president. They're tired of not having a voice and being looked down on people like you. If you didn't have a problem with black people you would never have made that comment. It was just plain stupid and IGNORANT. You definitely need a reality check

Posted by: realitycheck | April 25, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Well,timing is everything... with Clyburn's statements and now Rev "wrong" Wright speaking out...it doesn't help Obama as he campaigns in Indiana. He might as well say good bye to the white blue collar workers in that state.

And to fairness to the black population...since when does one person's statements stand for the entire race? It's just one person who doesn't think about what he is really saying. Hillary doesn't speak for all white people or women.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

This is what happens when you have dirt on the Clintons :
1 - James McDougal - Clinton's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack,
while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
2 - Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee
Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual
harassment in the White House.
3 - Vince Foster - Former white House councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's
Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact
in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of
Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated,
and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.
5 - C. Victor Raiser II and Montgomery Raiser, Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization
died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
6 - Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in
Little Rock, September 1992... Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor."
7- Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot
wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed
Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several
Clinton fund raising events.
8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his
car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on
Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously
removed from his house.
9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people
which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.
10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported
to have ties to Whitewater.
11- Kathy Ferguson, ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in
her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several
packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with
Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula
Jones.
12 - Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling
of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave
site of his fiancee.
13 - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a
tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14 - Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena
Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney
General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time
of her death.
16 - Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9,
1992. She died in a one car accident.
17 - Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development
Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.
18 - Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "
October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had
delivered a report to Janet Reno three weeks before his death
19 - Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death
from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan
Guarantee scandal.
20 - Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang.
Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her
office at the Department of Commerce.
21- Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security
clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
22 - Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee,
died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on
Clinton's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.
23 - Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena, Arkansas, death was no accident.
24 - Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left
at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.
25 - Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guarantee. His death was a purported suicide and his
report was never released.
26- Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.
27 - Kevin Ives and Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may
have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report
of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the two boys had been slain
before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come

before a Grand Jury.
THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:
28 - Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, July 1988.
29 - Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
30 - Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
31 - Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
33 - James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural
causes."
34 - Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
35 - Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD: 36 - Major William S. Barkley Jr. 37
- Captain Scott J. Reynolds 38 - Sgt. Brian Hanley 39 - Sgt. Tim Sabel 40 - Major General William
Robertson 41 - Col. William Densberger 42 - Col. Robert Kelly 43 - Spec. Gary Rhodes 44 - Steve
Willis 45 - Robert Williams 46 - Conway LeBleu 47 - Todd McKeehan
Quite an impressive list! Pass this on. Let the public become aware of what happens to anyone who
might damage the Clinton machine

Posted by: not clinton again! | April 25, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

I am just tired of Bill Clinton. He thinks he is blacker than the blacks.

Posted by: Tamika | April 25, 2008 8:22 PM

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It was one of your own - Toni Morrison - a nobel Laureate, you dumb crap, who said Bill Clinton is Blacker than Black. This what she had to say:

"...white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black President. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children's lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald's-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas."

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Geez, I'm white and I have been startled and offended by the Clinton's race-baiting. These reader comments are making me see how simple minded and ugly much of white America is when it comes to race. The Congressman is voicing a legitimate concern -- and he's not making any threats! Why would African-Americans (as a whole) vote for the Clintons when they have demonized blacks and used racist tactics for personal gain? He is rightfully expressing concern for the Democratic party's fragile coalition that has since the '50s included African-Americans.

Posted by: GinVA | April 25, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

This 60-year old white, working class guy fully supports Obama. I'm not going anywhere but to the polls to vote for Obama in November

Posted by: Annandale | April 25, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

I believe that Obama was born to lead America at this time. The important question is - will America take up this generous and much needed opportunity?

There is much in the commentary here that is about all that is wrong with America that his election will help start to cure. And I challenge all of those saying that Clyburn does not represent Black people or that he is threatening or black mailing to take a hard look at themselves and their country.

I think things are getting quite unbalanced and ridiculous. The Clinton supporters here and the hidden Republicans are trying and succeeding in propogating the kind of spin that the Republicans under Bush and Rove are famous for. Just flip your own ugliness and greedy objectives onto the other guy. Play the race card but say the other guy did it. Belittle and accuse the other side of being the problem. Get everyone to do it with you and if enough say it, it must be right. If that does not work, find a way to assassinate the character of all those individuals and yes, even groups, that stand in your way. Call them unpatriotic, dishonest, weak, complainers, whatever. That, is not what my America is about nor is it what yours should be about.

Just look at the Clinton dems and the hidden repubs here generating so much hot air that no one is able to stay focused on the reality of the fundamentals. Just look at the nonsense in many of the postings here. Repeats of idiotic statements and convoluted logic driven off of bigotry and racism. Sprinkle in some false information and false logic and air it all in the name of "free speech" and, again, blame the other guy for your views and bigotry.

The blacks have historically been marginalized and looked down on. Clyburn and others have likely held back until now because they know what they face when they speak out. Just witness the comments here from the racist minority. In some states these negative types represents more people than others and in all cases, I would venture these people are the most outspoken when their own twisted world order looks like it might be starting to crumble. The whole approach of this ghastly minority in America is to continue to marginalize blacks (and other minorities too).

Clyburn is a leader of the black community and it is quite reasonable for him to speak out and say that he is hearing from his community that he should speak out. That he is hearing that the community feels it is not right to let people say or for the media to propogate the implied if not stated view that only the white vote is important and not the black vote. That somehow Obama is weak because he can't get the votes that Hillary gets - somehow the votes he gets and his wins are not wins after all. The last I looked democracy was based on the majority not on a certain majority. Or do black votes (or more specifically any non- Hillary vote) still count for less? Clyburn's response is warranted and accurate and an important consideration if the dems wish to succeed with the quest for the presidency. What is more, all people who are not with Hillary are then not important and perhaps even against her. Where has that logic come from lately?

A special note to those that say you are black and criticize Clyburn for saying he represents the whole community and that this makes you mad. I suspect that either you are not really black and you are planting comments or you are not well thought out. If the latter, think this through and come back with better reasoning than I'm mad and gonna bite my nose to spite my face.

The logic of certain votes being more important than others (and certain states more important than others) is being formulated by the Clintons and Republicans who make no secret that they want Clinton to win because that means the Dems have been weakened as a party and because she is the weaker candidate. It is indeed being propogated by many of the tabloid press - all are saying that somehow Obama can't win white votes. Well, that does not compute either. And, while they might vote for Clinton more than Obama in some states some of the time, they do not vote for her as a block. Furthermore, they would vote for Obama if she was not in the race.

There is also now a move afoot to say that the polls are a lie because people say they will vote for Obama but don't. This is in fact not true and it is all about trying to turn Obama into "the black candidate" much as Bill Clinton tried to do with his Jesse Jackson comparison. In the end, this will fail.

The best way for Democrats to win in November is to drop the efforts to destroy Obama's character and his candidacy and harness the dramatic movement for change that Obama is leading. I think this is critical to America's future. Many now see that his is a movement by the grass roots, not just a bunch of words spoken by Obama. That is how there can be dramatic change to the politics of the past. If Clinton got on the bus instead of throwing herself in front of it, all the more powerful the dems would be. I am pretty sure she will not do this because she is not made of the right stuff. She will go down in flames along with her Bubba.

As mentioned earlier, Hillary's way to the nomination is predicated on the Clintons' leverage of the party establishment and character assassination. Obama's character is good and Clinton can't dredge up any real issues- Wright and Rezko and a slip of the tongue about guns and religion that is based in truth are not real character issues. So she has, in addition to playing the race card and the patriotism card, initiated and perpetrated all this chatter and guilt by association. She is trying to find or rather create as many such things as she can, however obtuse, and thread them together and say it makes a pattern. Now this has given license to the fools, the bigots and those afraid of change as well as the Republicans. It has also robbed America, not to mention Obama, of this incredible opportunity to address America's deep and serious challenges at an historic time.

And when sensible people try to argue back against all this nonsense, they end up getting into the gutter and inadvertently giving the nonsense talk some credence. Or, in the case of Clyburn, they get roasted for saying the truth. Just look at the insane discussions and Rovian flips that are going on about who is playing the race card and about who is responsible for disenfranchising Michigan and Florida and about how Hillary "won" these uncontested states. Now she has won the most votes so is the most popular etc.. You can't win a non contest. Sorry end of story. This is all just garbage talk and guess what, the press can't seem to correct the obvious mistakes and spin. Instead the headlines and comments are that "there is an argument about who is winning the popular vote". Well guess what there is no issue here - Obama is winnig if you care to do the math.

Indeed, where are the independent moderators with guts and morals, the objective views and voices, the search for facts? Instead we have complicity, stupid questions, parroting of what others said as news and fact and political spin support. Where are the strong moral leaders in the media? Mostly behind Hillary's pant suit and facilitating the bigotry and hate spewing.

America will get what it deserves out of this election - if its garbage in then its garbage out. America deserves better, and if it truly sees the reality of the situation, I believe it will elect Obama for change. If it does not, it will get a status quo option.

I invite, no I implore, Americans to look at the prospects for Americans as a whole nation and not fear a change that leads in that direction. America has the potential to be greater than the sum of its parts and it is not fully exploiting the richness of its own fabric. Indeed it has habitually and still routinely suppresses it. Right now, in my view, it is notably less than the sum of its parts. And, a race won by exploiting divisions, will reduce it further. Shame on the exploiters and those playing the little games led by the Clintons and the Rovian Republicans. America is already weakened and she will be further weakened by such. The rest of the world is strengthening and will continue to do so at America's expense.

I am confident, despite the ugly retoric in the many posted comments, that America's era of confusion, hate and fear is drawing to a close. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.... I don't say it will be easy, because it will require seeing through the noise and smoke screen.

And, I believe America will have the courage to vote for a new politics, a new discourse and a new future based on truth, justice and the true American dream.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | April 25, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to all you Hillary Clinton supporters but Congressman Clyburn obviously feels like he has a monkey on his shoulders that he needed to talk about. I don't think he is so much an Obama supporter as some of you may think because this news seems to only lessen Obama's chance of winning over the so called "White Working Class Voter". This kind of conspiracy theory thinking only adds fuel to the fire on Obama's electability argument. Personally speaking Hillary wants to count MI & FL that she once agreed would not count. I don't trust her one bit

Posted by: 2poundprod | April 25, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry - but this really grates on my nerves! I'm tired of hearing the threats from the black community. We can all appreciate their desire to be involved in this process. And we all appreciate the fact that they have their first viable black candidate - and feel proud of him. But let's not make this race all about what the black community wants. There are other people in in America. I want to hear from everyone. Then let's go with the majority. That's how democracy works. We shouldn't be working on threats. That's just plain ridiculous.

Posted by: Christina | April 25, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Who can tell me the difference between these two statements.

Life, Liberty and the PURSUIT of happiness.
or
Life, Liberty and YOU OWE me HAPPINESS.

Easy, the right one requires you to do something.

Posted by: Indiana voter | April 25, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

If the democrats are worried about losing black voters, they should be even more concerned about losing WOMEN voters!

Posted by: ragindemo | April 25, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

It is more important that Obama court the white vote than Clinton court the black vote. Blacks will vote for the Democratic candidate no matter who the Democratic candidate is.

Black America knows full well that the Republicans will chip away at Affirmative Action and social programs. Whites aren't eligible for AA, so a Republican won't hurt them as much.

Mother of four minority children....

Posted by: Liz | April 25, 2008 9:23 PM

White women are the largest minority. White women are eligible for AA and they do get it. That is why white men put there businesses in there wives name. Another name for it is the unseen poor. Also white women collect the most welfare. Look it up and back up off my people, we are only 12% of the USA.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

"Really? Can you name one time that black people rioted and didn't use it as an excuse to loot businesses? I'm 50 years old and I can't say that I can. Why don't you enlighten me? Let's stop the PC crap and tell the truth here."

Wow thats just great. Now you name me one time when white people rioted and didn't use it as an excuse to kill black people. Remember willimington, Chicago, New York, and Rosewood?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Any reference to race and gender is wasted air and wasted energy. I am exhausted of the parsing of the American elctorate by race, gender and age. Aren't you? Vote on the issues, not on the comments of Clyburn, nor Carville, nor Wright, nor Ferraro. Vote your conscience. And for those of you who have apparently "switched" your vote because of Clyburn's comments, grow up. This is not a reality show. You are not watching Big Brother. This is real life. Vote for the person who is likely to run an administration that would best benefit your country. No vote, well considered, is a wasted one.

Obama 08

Posted by: WW, nyc | April 25, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

We should stop the infighting. I am black and Clyburn is not speaking for me. Should Sen. Clinton in the extremely unlikely event win the nomination, I will vote for her. But I believe that Sen. Obama will win the nomination fair and square. Black leaders who make comments like Clyburn is causing Sen. Obama more harm than good. It is very clear that Sen. Obama wants to put the race issue behind him. Race is important, but the economic issues and national security issues should take the front seat. America is a great nation but it is not a "Perfect Union" yet, it is a long journey and we should all jump on the train with Sen. Obama to a better future that will benefit all America's children.

Posted by: Poppie | April 25, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

So Jim you must be for race baiting if you're supporting Clinton. And like you said, since 97% of Whites won't be voting for Obama, why are you even concerned?
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LOL...
I believe many whites are willing to vote for Obama... I would be too if the Obama campaign and supporters had not been over playing the race card for the past three months.
Personally, I have voted for many African Americans over the years. As I said, my vote is not based on a person's color or gender.
Exactly how many large primary states has Obama actually won? If he cannot carry the usual states, along with Ohio and Florida, he probably does not have a prayer. I will be very surprised if he can carry many Southern states in the general election. Personally, I think the DNC may have really messed up a great opportunity... hopefully, I am wrong.

Posted by: Jim | April 25, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how people are turning against Barack Obama. He's not the one making the statements. it's other people. He's clearly tried to keep the race issue out of the picture. Yet, when someone like Bill Clinton goes and compares him to Jesse Jackson it's kind of hard to ignore it. Get over yourselves people and remember the real issues. That's what Barack is trying to do.

Posted by: realitycheck | April 25, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse


About as much blackmail as Hillary saying white voter will abandon the Democratic party if Obama is the nominee
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Hillary never said that. That is a lie.

Posted by: Chief | April 25, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Both Bill and Hillary have one thing in their mind right now. Getting the nomination is tough. So disenfranchise the democratic party so that Obama will lose in the general election. Then they can say, I told you so, Obama can not win the election. It is all a very selfish motive. They know they have lost. So why not siphone some more money from the folks who believe in them and add to their already hefty $109 mil bank account in the Caymen islands.

Posted by: JamaicaMan | April 25, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

All of this noise is nonsense. The simple fact is that Clyburn is speaking a reality whether it makes you uncomfortable is your issue but doesn't negate fact. The dems need the minority vote and it is no threat. African Americans feel that they have been taken for granted for years. If they have no one they can believe in, Republicans win because they will sit on their hands. Ballgame.

Posted by: Yella Dog | April 25, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

OK, black voters. Don't vote for Hillary if she is Democratic candidate. And be prepared to suffer the consequences of your emotional pettiness the next 4-8 years of a spend-spend-spend Republican administration that will completely ignore you. Don't believe me? Then look at Katrina & New Orleans.

Posted by: Nick | April 25, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

You gotta love someone who criticizes others for playing the race card, and in the same breadth, purports to speak for a whole race of people! Such amazing arrogance!. Although I am a democrat, I didn't much care for politics before this and I wasnt gonna vote. But now, I am going to vote for Clinton. Nobody threatens me. Period.

Posted by: DDGG88 | April 25, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I see Obama as a wonderful man whom definitely attracts some of the finest people I've witnessed yet from various backgrounds and parties even! We are a beautiful group of people as a whole, and we have work to do. Stand ready =)

Obama '08

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 25, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Still Enslaved...the only thing that has finally happened is that the press has finally ...FINALLY...just started to ask questions about Obama and his relationships with his associates...as they should. Too bad it took a comedy show like SNL to start the ball rolling with "can I get another pillow for your head Barack".

I agree with you what you say about Bush.

Candidates should be tested and quized and dug into. This over protection for Barack is crazy...he's running to be the President of the U.S. and he should be tested. And the calls for Hillary to drop out are nuts as well. This is an extremely tight race and history shows that past candidates have stayed well to the convention. Hillary's not hurting Obama's chances...how Obama handles himself and his candidacy will prove if he has what it takes. The Republicans will not give him an inch in the fall.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad Rep. Clyburn has made it clear: the Obama candidacy is actually an affirmative action program, and if white people allow it to fail, there will be hell to pay.

Posted by: zenwick | April 25, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Nelson Roman, you're an idiot if you think that it's only about African-Americans feeling ENTITLED to the primary presidency. It's more about being heard and knowing that we matter. Is it silly to stay at home if Hillary wins the nomination? Yes, but at the same time that's the only way some people are going to feel like their voice is being heard. Get over yourself!

Posted by: realitycheck | April 25, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Clyburn needs to "chill out". Bill Clinton is campaigning for his wife, who stood by him through thick and thin. He owes her big time! His comments re: Jesse Jackson were simply factual observations, which Jesse did not take exception to. Bill appointed Ron Brown and other qualified African-Americans to high offices during his administration. Bill and Hillary have honored African-Americans throughout their lives. Attack ads against Obama are just attack ads, not racist diatribes. If he cannot tolerate them, he further demonstrates that he is unprepared for the presidency.

Posted by: bjbprice | April 25, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who's followed the Clintons' careers
over the past 20+ years, would know they are not racist by any means. Clyburn knows better. So Obama gets beat in Pa.,
and out come the racist accusations! The Democratic party doesn't need so-called leaders like Clyburn. Go to the Republican party... good riddance!

Posted by: paul | April 25, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Clyburn's concerns extend beyond The black community.

Regardless, Democrats need to band together after the candidate is chosen and put our full weight behind him or her.

Posted by: DCgong | April 25, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Why is it always about black-white relations? Clyburn&Co are forgetting that the largest minority in the country are Hispanics, and the fastest growing one too. It is so important for the democratic country to include the Hispanics. And Obama has no chance with them.

Posted by: Hispanics | April 25, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Why be surprised that Hillary would enter the fall campaign with the highest unfavorable ratings of any nominee in half a century?

Bill Clinton's "Zippergate" showed a great deficit of loyalty and responsibility to the American people.

Hillary's campaign has shown the same yawing deficit of loyalty and responsibility to the Democratic Party.

It's time the Party greybeards stepped up to the plate and put an end to the farce the Clintons are trying to foist upon us.

Posted by: martin edwin andersen | April 25, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama - Clinton 2008

Posted by: OneFreeMan | April 25, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I am an Asian. Let me say this as clearly as I can.

Clyburn is a moron. His comments make me hate African-Americans. I live in Indiana. I am not gonna lie here - I was going to vote for Hillary anyway. But I am saying this: Hillary is the last Democratic candidate I am going to vote for. I am voting Republican afterwards if Hillary doesn't win the nomination. As simple as that.

Carmel, IN.

Posted by: Carmel, IN | April 25, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Tim...kinda funny how we've come to scrutinize candidates backgrounds when they are black, but find the lack of experience REFRESHING when they are white. We've survived Bush: a man with a history of alcoholism and a member of the Skull and Bones (Ivy league alumni know what I'm refering to). Additionally, if a reference to a rambling pastor discredits qualifications, then maybe we should stricken presidents from Americas' history, that owned slaves.

Posted by: Still Enslaved | April 25, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

It is not just African Americans that will feel disenfranchised if the heated Clinton-Obama contest continues on its present course and Hillary Rodham Clinton becomes the nominee.
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Ditto with Obama.

Posted by: Chief | April 25, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

It is more important that Obama court the white vote than Clinton court the black vote. Blacks will vote for the Democratic candidate no matter who the Democratic candidate is.

Black America knows full well that the Republicans will chip away at Affirmative Action and social programs. Whites aren't eligible for AA, so a Republican won't hurt them as much.

Mother of four minority children....

Posted by: Liz | April 25, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Well said, Clyburn. Now that there is no way Mrs. Clinton can win, the only reason she is in the race is to make sure Obama loses. So she can run in 4 years. It is as simple as that. Simple and Selfish as the Clintons. I am so glad you spoke up and sent the message to the Clintons. I hope they hear and stop dividing the party, stop slinging mud at Obama, and stop handing over the Presidency to the Republicans. They did nothing for John Kerry and now they are damaging Obama's chances. We want to hear from you, and Mayor Nutter, and other black leaders, that your superdelegate votes are for Obama. We want to hear soon, for that can put a stop to the damage the Clintons are causing.

Posted by: P Judice | April 25, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

To the person who thinks it would be funny for all the black folks in the black states to allow McCain to win against Hillary...I'm wondering how funny it will be when another Republican administration who is called upon help out in a natural disaster that affects minorities...like Katrina. You get what you deserve sometimes.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

"

This is blackmail pure an simple and can damage race relations for generations to come!!!

Who hell does this guy think that he is?

I have now made up my mind for to vote or not vote for!!!!

Posted by: | April 25, 2008 7:19 PM "


About as much blackmail as Hillary saying white voter will abandon the Democratic party if Obama is the nominee

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

The reason that media is discussing white votes in length is because there is something to discuss there as the numbers change. As Rep. Clyburn correctly points out, Obama gets 92 percent of the black vote so it is assumed that those votes are not in play. And black votes received lots of coverage during primaries in states where they had bigger impact due to voter demographics.

Shouldn't this "92 percent" rate bother Rep. Clyburn, though? Does he really believe that if Obama was white he would get the same support from black voters?

Posted by: Common Sense | April 25, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

What is next? Treat of civil unrest if Obama is not a president? Is this the change we are going to experience under Obama? Treats, disregard for democratic processes, spin at every level... At least Obama should have the guts to stop hiding behind surrogates and come forward himself with ideas like this.

Posted by: Appalled | April 25, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

I am not black and at first was a Clinton fan...but I hate them both now...they are such ego self-loving people who care nothing about anything but their power.

Obama is the best chance to pull together the country...excluding all you bigots that simply won't vote for him because he's black.

You want change and a decent chance to get our government back into the hands of ordinary people...Obama might do it. Hillary...forget it...she's rich and all talk. She doesn't have a chance to catch in delegates nor the popular vote...no chance in hell. Yet...she continues to drag down the party and create this tension that wasn't there a couple of months ago.

Obviously there are some of you who simply can't stand the idea of a black man winning...you are losers and one day generations will look past this.

Go Barack!!

Posted by: Bob McKissick | April 25, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Clyburn is not a mind reader. He has absolutely no idea what Mrs. Clinton thinks about this race or her potential for getting the nomination. Eleanor Clift, who has been a big booster for Obama, has written in the wake of Obama's humiliating loss in Pennsylvania that she thinks Hillary may pull this off and get the nomination. Poor Barack Obama: The only thing standing between him and the nomination is that so many Democrats prefer Hillary to him.

Posted by: Mike Meyer | April 25, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

i am an operation chaos lrrp and as i was sneaking around i noticed that we have been one-uped. algore has perpetrated a hoax with the results of a monumental disaster on the world and we never saw it coming. i am humbled. rush is humbled. eleanor is humbled.

Posted by: gunclinger | April 25, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

It would be something to see if Hillary Clinton got the nomination and all the black voters mobilized in across the US and didn't vote for her out of spite and just didn't vote at all,all the heavy black states would go to John Mcain

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

WELCOME TO THE NEW
DEMOLITION PARTY!

Posted by: Bitter, Religious, & Armed | April 25, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

The fact is - NO DEMOCRAT CAN WIN the WHITE HOUSE without the AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTE. Ask anyone professional or otherwise involved in politics. It doesn't take a rocket scientiestto figure that one out. Tread very cautiously DEMS. The truth is the truth regardless of how you cut it - check the stats and historical data. IF THE REPUBLICANS CAN PERSUDE 20% of African-Americans to switch party affiliations the Democratic party would loose power for at least one century according to experts. They already have the traditional 9% in their court. Tread very carefully DEMS....

Posted by: Lee GIABENELLI | April 25, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Still Enslaved...I wish the good senator had actually two years under his belt...it was more like 1 1/2 years. Unfortunately there is nothing to show for it. If Hillary had only 1 1/2 years and ran she would have been labled "power crazed". Oh wait...she is labled that and any other trash. Feraro had it right...it's because Obama is black is because of where he is today. Unfortunately he will loose the general election. I blame most of this on his campaign staff and the so-called liberal elite white men in Washington.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Wow! When I read how people think about my people(black people) I get filled with hate. Why is it when one black person speaks, that person speaks for all black people. So are all white people cereal killers? Are all latinos illegal? Do all asians have small penises? I have never been to a black people meeting. But I will say this much. My generation, the new generation moves foreword. You can roll with me as an American or get rolled over. And that not a threat, that is a promise. You can say all you want about my people becouse everybody want to be a ni@@a but no one wants to be a ni@@a.

Posted by: Jabbar | April 25, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

That's what I'm talking! The Force of Progression and Unity! Indeed we share a common vision.

Obama '08! We Absolutely Can! Yes Yes Yes!!

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 25, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

I propose the name The Realist Party for the split. I also expect scores of Independents and Republicans to join the newly created party.

We can leave the existing party to the Lieberman democrats.


Posted by: Strategist | April 25, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Clyburn shares the belief that Obama has a historic right to this nomination and noone should spoil that, but hey, this is a democratic country. And, btw, to correct this outrageous spin, Obama failed to win not only the whites, but also the Hispanics (which happened to surpass african americans in numbers). At the end, if Obama campaign is going to use surrogates like this to play dirty tricks and issue ultimatums, he may loose even the rest of the support.

Posted by: LT | April 25, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

So Susan, so then you're ok that 95% of white women in western PA voted for Clinton. There's no race issue there?h
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Don't believe you have your facts right. I haven't seen any demographic vote over 70% for Hillary any where.
I am afraid it may get to the point where most everyone votes by race before its over. I just think the blame is misplaced. I think Obama tried to become blacker for SC and it has escalated by his boneheaded messes and by statements he had to make to get out of these messes. He is a fool. Black or white. Take your choice.

Posted by: Chief | April 25, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Have the leaders of the African American community nothing else to offer to the dialogue except threat against the clintons and the democratic party and anyone who doesn't support Obama? If they are with the democratic party it is because this party has done so much for them. They doing themselves a favor by supporting it not the other way around. The party stands for the different constituents that supports. It dosn't just stand for the African Americans. I am sure they are free to vote for any other party if they choose to do so. A group that has 95 percent of its members vote for one canditate because of the color the candidate should not be throwing mud at others. Mr Clyburn should look at the mirror first.

Posted by: ssuraj100 | April 25, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Foolish posters. Kneejerk reactionaries. Clyburn isn't talking about who wins the nomination, black Obama or white Clinton. He's talking about political rhetoric and media spin and B.S. -talk- about black voters. They're not going to 'walk' over who wins the nomination... they would get upset over how the party treats their vote. If you can't read an article and understand the text, then have someone explain it to you, instead of just getting offended by what you think it says. Clyburn said 'This is not about who is the nominee.'. Duh. Get offended, don't vote... from either side, that's dumb. Read, (try to) understand, communicate.

Posted by: RR | April 25, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

We don't have to beat a "low threshold." We only have to beat McCain. The smartest way to do that is with this Dream Ticket. If McCain adds Romney or Rice, Obama will not prevail, nor will Hillary alone. They need each other.

Posted by: Longhorn Mama | April 25, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Houstonian...wow what a lot of crap! Talk about "know" your place...isn't that what the Obama-bots suggest when they say Hillary only had experience in "tea parties"?! It's demeaning...people are voting especially in the large primaries (not the manipulated caucuses)for someone with experience. Not someone who sounds good and makes nice empty speeches. No wonder poor Obama doesn't like to debate...his poll numbers keep going down consistently. And the arrogance of the guy to say "he could get the Hillary voters to vote for him" ....what a joke!

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Some of us white people ain't going nowhere but to the voting booth and punch a chad for our next President, Barack Obama.

I absolutely agree with Rep. Clyburn.

The truth is kind of sad but then again it's sort of funny when you think about some white people supporting a bunch of liars and thieves all because they're afraid of a candidate who happens to be a shade darker.

I can honestly say that in 50+ years I can't recall anyone running for President, that impressed me more than Senator Obama.

Clinton supporters have yet to figure out that there is a movement in this country not seen since the American Revolution. We're made up of young and old, women and men, black, brown and white. What we share in common is the belief that the time has come to stop the lies, stop the corruption and cease with the childish b.s. and start working on making our country great once again.

It's really that simple. Senator Obama, is a man of great talent. He has perfected the art of being a real human being in an occupation where there is few.

History will likely remember him as one of the greatest American Presidents.

YES WE CAN!

ObamaforUSPresident.com


Posted by: Tyler | April 25, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

"I think that the way everybody has been reporting this Pennsylvania thing, it's almost saying black people don't matter. Only thing that matters is how white people respond. And that's what bothered me. I think I matter."
Oh, you DO matter .... that's why I'll NEVER vote for Obama. From not being black enough, turns out he's only black

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

this is politics today.

check out this vid.

youtube.com/watch?v=IcZwHuR_BMc

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Sooner or later someone has to say it - there are many WHITE Americans who are racists!

There I said it and I feel better. The problem is that the Republicans play on this attitude and use it to their advantage - which is dispecible, but typical for people like Bush, Rove, and many, many others.

BTW I am a white, second generation American.


Posted by: swanieaz | April 25, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Operation Chaos continues as planned.

Posted by: dionysis | April 25, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

the rift is going to be between the country and african- americans.

Posted by: gunclinger | April 25, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Tim...sorta like the Bush era. It'd be bad for a two year senator to show up a former Texas govenor. I think that is a portion of what this is all about....we got educated --thank you Mr Lincoln.

Posted by: Still Enslaved | April 25, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't you ditch a candidate who marginalizes a whole race of people, just like your comment does.

Posted by: Susan has no clue | April 25, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Clyburn was speaking as an African-American leader not as an Obama representative. Blacks are very sensitive to code words for racism. Clyburn is an intelligent man and a disciplined politician. If he speaks out he should not be ignored.

Some African Americans are very offended by the Clintons. Their Rovian politics are not going to give big wins. 52%-48% was the best Bush did. We need a 55%-45% victory in the fall to really change things. Clinton's negatives which were high at the beginning of the campaign have not been helped in the past few weeks. Yes she may also be able to beat McCain but that is a low threshold. African Americans not showing up in the fall will not help our prospects in congressional and senatorial races.

Clyburn can not help Obama if he wanted to. What he is talking is the Democratic Party and how to win.

Stop this idiotic banter

Posted by: Gator-ron | April 25, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

There's already a rift, Clyburn, you moron. Over 90% of blacks have voted against Hillary, some because jerks like you turned Clinton's comment about it takeing a president to implement what visionaries like MLK wanted into, somehow, a racist comment.

So it DOESN'T MATTER what inflammatory douchebags like you shriek, as if the sky is falling. The matter's settled, you certainly have no credibility yourself.

Now, what about all of the blue collar rural guys judged by the group like a peawit by Mr. Obama?

I thought so. Shut the hell up.

Posted by: SteveCO | April 25, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

J Brooklyn:

Good point. I am reminded of that issue. I was pissed. Why in the heck would the Repubs vote against equal pay? How can they know good full and well what's going on and purposely vote against fixing it? My golly that sounds idiotic. Just how many idiots do we have in our offices?! We need to clean house of every one of them whom sees no wrong in that. I guess it's ok to continue on with pay discrimination. Everything about it is wrong!! What is WRONG with them?!

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 25, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Where has Rep.James Clyburn been all this time. Of course the black voters have been overlooked. It's all about Hillary and the typical white people because of the comment Obama made. All focus is on Hillary and the whites because thats the whole purpose behind attacking Obama on the Reverend Wrights tapes. Obama is a racist. Typical white people was the buzz word Obama's attackers needed to rally the white vote for Hillary. "Bitter" was the other buzz word Obama's attackers used on the whites in Pennsylvania. Obama's attackers have been doing nothing but waiting until they got the perfect chance to play the race card black against white. When the Reverend Wrights tapes surfaced, it was just what the doctor ordered. All Obama's attackers had to say to the American people is we don't know anything about Obama. It's necessary to ask these questions because he's running for the highest office in the land. Well Obama's attackers weren't asking, they were labeling Obama a racist, anti American, Muslim, Manchurian candidate, and Marxist. Now does that sound like Obama's attackers were just asking the hard questions or condemning Obama because of his associations. Who in the world thinks Obama's attackers have taken the blacks into account about anything since this contest for the nomination began between Hillary and Obama. All that has been in the minds of Obama's attackers is that their opening the eyes and minds of the blacks about Obama and their only goal is to get Hillary the nomination. This contest has been only a reminder to the whites, remember who you are and vote for Hillary. To the blacks, just know your place and vote for Hillary.

Posted by: houstonian | April 25, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Clyde said: "as I remember it...American Blacks were for Hillary, before she started waging her racist campaign. All those Black superdelegates that went to her early on...those polls, where she bested Obama among Black Americans.
Hillary is to blame."

Actually, blacks supported Hillary until it became clear that Obama's Kool-Aid was catching on. Then they ditched her for color.

Posted by: Susan | April 25, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Whoa boy the Democratic party is going straight to hell. The party can't win without African-Americans or White Women.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

If whites continue to desert the sinking Democratic ship, Rep. Clyburn and his constitutents can sail it over Niagara!

Posted by: DaTourist | April 25, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

It's not just African Americans saying that. She can't win without party chicanery, and the longer she stays in, the deeper the party divide, and the less chance for the Dems to take on the GOP.

Posted by: DCgong | April 25, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse


There is no doubt in my mind that the Progressive arm of the democratic party has to split and form a new party.

Neocons control today's democratic party, which means in foreign policy matters there isn't much difference from the republicans. Therefore no matter how much they 'care' about social issues, they will not be able to deliver on their promises because they will continuously be pushed into wars that will cost us trillions bankrupting our treasury. Neither Obama nor Clinton can deliver on their promise of universal healthcare.

I'll say let's split up and form a new party. Legislators who are totally sick of being slaves to lobbies will join us in droves and we have already proven we can do the funding without WS money writing big checks.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey Still Enslaved..how wrong you are. Electing Obama will only affirm we have an experienced individual at the helm (who makes great speeches). Nothing will change or get better.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

So, it would seem that Rep. Clyburn's statement contradicts Obama's contention that the Democratic nomination is not about race?

Is Clyburn smarter than Obama? Is Clyburn a proxy spokesman for Obama, making threats Obama dares not utter?

I dunno...I dunno...I dunno...

Posted by: DaTourist | April 25, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Is this what they call "playing the race card"? Seems more like "if I don't get my way I'll take my ball and go home". Just go away.

Posted by: jin-jin | April 25, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

So Jim you must be for race baiting if you're supporting Clinton. And like you said, since 97% of Whites won't be voting for Obama, why are you even concerned?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Obama is an act of affirmation that is owed. It's high time to pay the debt.

Posted by: Still Enslaved | April 25, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Clyburn is looking for a way to break his word to the Clintons. I really respect those blacks who gave their word and kept it. I wouldn't blame them for changing to a black candidate who has a chance to win. But do it respectfully instead of making it racial. They didn't think very much of him until the whites started supporting him. I said whites.
When things started looking up they needed an excuse. They came up with accusing the Clinton's of being racist. This was Obama's and Axelrod's doing.

The Clinton's aren't the racist. Obama and Axelrod are>

Posted by: Chief | April 25, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Well, we do have a choice, Rep. Clyburn. We can vote for your guy and be guaranteed to lose due to his severe lack of judgement in associates, or we can take our chances with Clinton, who actually polls better in the states we need to win. It's not a hard choice and has nothing to do with race. You would have us lose, to satisfy your own racist inhibitions. No thank you, Sir!

Posted by: Real Dem | April 25, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I have been a loyal Democrat since the days of Jimmy Carter.... BUT, I can assure you that my vote will not go to Obama.
I cannot remember a day since early January that I have not heard about race. Unfortunately, a lot of this crap has come from the Obama supporters. In December, I thought Obama was above this and would have gladly voted for any Democrat. I could care less about race or gender.
Although I hate to say it.. but I would rather have McCain as President than have to listen to racial whining for the next four years. I am willing to bet that I am not alone.
If 97 percent of whites decide to vote their race in November, I suppose Obama will not carry many states.
I detest all racism and race baiting as well.

Posted by: Jim | April 25, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

It is not just African Americans that will feel disenfranchised if the heated Clinton-Obama contest continues on its present course and Hillary Rodham Clinton becomes the nominee.

Posted by: Rob Fenwick | April 25, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Clyburn is a racist to the core. Under the Clinton years, the average salary for poor working class rose significantly, especially among minorities. How soon they forget. It seems Clyburn is willing to easily trash the Clintons for his own personal gain, to elect someone on the basis of their skin color.

Posted by: Tim | April 25, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

So Susan, so then you're ok that 95% of white women in western PA voted for Clinton. There's no race issue there?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Too bad the party leadership is in the hands of Mr. Yee Haw. This is what his lack of leadership has resulted in. The best two assets the Democrats have had in years and years are fraying apart, rather than demanding to be one ticket...whoever is ahead is # 1, the other is called VP. If the DNC had any vision at all, they would have pulled this together a long time ago. Instead of us dividing each other, let's collectively demand that Dean, Pelosi and Reid GO HOME! I could have managed this thing better from another planet.

Posted by: Longhorn Mama | April 25, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

This is what Obama said to the Chicago Tribune:

Obama acknowledges, with no small irony, that he benefits from his race.

If he were white, he once bluntly noted, he would simply be one of nine freshmen senators, almost certainly without a multimillion-dollar book deal and a shred of celebrity. Or would he have been elected at all?

Now, this is what Liberal icon Ferraro said that got her called a racist:

"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman of any color, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

Okay, if Ferraro is a racist for saying this what does Obama's comment make him? Either the Obama campaign is very cynical or these are a bunch of Kool-aid drinkers who are ready to assassinate the character of even liberal icons like Ms. Ferraro.

Posted by: No Kool-aid 4 Me! | April 25, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm shocked at the readership of this paper. What a bunch of yahoos. Bill and Hillary Clinton have behaved abominably. He is damaging relations with blacks and others (I am white and appalled by his behavior.) as he always has. The Clintons are the most dysfunctional, narcissistic, ambitious people who would step on and over anyone or anything to achieve their end. They are the epitome and incarnation of the Baby Boomer "Me Generation." (Yes, I am a Baby Boomer.) They are an embarrassment at best, dangerous at worst. Why would anyone enable these sick people? This old lady is voting against her demographic.

Posted by: RLJ | April 25, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY .... WIN! WIN! WIN!

BY
ANY
MEANS

NECESSARY!

PLAY "SMASH MOUTH" FOOTBALL!

HILLARY, THE BEST!

Posted by: Bitter in Florida | April 25, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

sorry, but re: "We have two great candidates that supporters are really excited about..."

We don't. We have only one: Barack Obama

Clinton by her campaign strategy as well as her vote for the Iraq invasion, shows that she's just the same as the neocons.

I, for one (well, actually my wife and I) and many who I've talked with will in no way vote for Hillary.

It's either Obama... or let the Republicans have it...serve them right...let them be in office when all Bush sh*t hits the fan (which it will!)

so for me, it's either:

Obama,

or McClinton

(and if it's McClinton, it might as well be a Rebublican)

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the comment that this is a thinly veiled threat. It is amazing to me how many politicians see this election as a chance to get their own name up in lights. If 92% of anyone (women, black, Chinese) are supporting one candidate, most of them are probably voting for something other than politics, eh? I'm pretty disgusted for the reasoning behind some of his wins.

Maybe Obama's heritage is half african . . . but that is beginning to feel like the only thing that's legit.

Posted by: Susan | April 25, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Wyburn's comments aren't going to hold any water whatsoever in the South. Southern whites are always whining about Yankee this and Yankee that and when you remind them who won the Civil War, they say they were happy to lose because by losing they got rid of half their black population, which moved North and turned our great cities into ignorance and violence filled slums.
I've talked to Southerners who say, sure let's do it again and let the other half move up North. So by threatening Southern whites with the loss of black loyalty to the Democratic Party, Rep. Wyburn isn't scaring anybody down there. They hate black people. Their whole historical context is one of subjugating black people, and once they were free they couldn't wait to get rid of them.

Posted by: woody2471 | April 25, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

My Name, how did Daddy feel once they let Nelson free? They bought the first tickets to the states huh? By the way you're an Afrikaner American, idiot! Also, I happen to be very well off and educated thank you very much.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

as I remember it...American Blacks were for Hillary, before she started waging her racist campaign. All those Black superdelegates that went to her early on...those polls, where she bested Obama among Black Americans.

Hillary is to blame.

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Posted by: Clyde | April 25, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Guys we need to stop this! There is so much on the line this election season. At least three of the Supreme Court Justices (that lean to the left) are between ages 69-75 and due to retire. That will give the next president the power to appoint three new ultra conservative justices to the bench. These appointments will have much further reaching implications than the next president because these justices have lifetime appointment. They could overturn roe. v. wade etc. McCain also just voted against equal pay yesterday. Are these not the issues as oppose to us as a party fighting amongst ourselves. We have two great candidates that supporters are really excited about and just like any family fight we should kiss, makeup at the end and ban togther and kick butt.

Posted by: J Brooklyn | April 25, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

"Hell, they'll probably riot and loot a few TVs, who knows? Doesn't take much to set them off."

That comment says all that is necessary about the tenor of some of these responses. "Doesn't take much to set them off." Why don't you just say those people are "uppity?" My God. I trust this is the attitude of a very small minority.
__________
Really? Can you name one time that black people rioted and didn't use it as an excuse to loot businesses? I'm 50 years old and I can't say that I can. Why don't you enlighten me? Let's stop the PC crap and tell the truth here.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Clyburn needs a two week vacation.

Posted by: hhkeller | April 25, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

It is surprising that most of the pro-Hilary comments miss the main argument Clyburn is trying to make. Which is "the Clinton's are doing everything they can to stop Obama from winning in November". For those of you who are working hard to paint this ramark as if it is racialy motivated, here is a news for you

MANY WHITE PUNDITS HAVE VOICED THE SAME OPINION MANY TIMES IN THE PAST.

Ofcourse the media as well as HRC supporters weren't bothered by it before. If you were paying attention to what political analysts were saying :

"Clinton has virtually no chance of winning" (so why is she still in the race ???)

"HRC will not get the youth/educated vote if she becomes the democratic nominee " (How many educated, young people will vote for someone anointed by party heavy-weight's ??? Voting for autocracy over elected delegates ??? )

"The Clinton's have played the race card in this election", (so, why is it surprising if SOME black's react to this deed ???? )

Posted by: Abiyman | April 25, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

It really does not matter who will be the president. In 60 days we will be at war with Iran and the nuke-show will start and the world as we know it will change anyway!! I hope that all you blogers have come to know Christ as your Lord and Savior!!!

PS Read the artical in todays washington Post that the US was preping for war with Iran!!!!!

MAY GOD SAVE OUR SOULS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

READ MY LIPS!

WE WANT A WHITE WOMAN FOR PRESIDENT!

McCAIN IS TOO OLD.

ANd...OBAMA...

Give Me A BREAK!

Posted by: Beth in Philly | April 25, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

will carville [our favorite toady], now call bill a judas

Posted by: elwood p dowd | April 25, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Good luck spinning this one, fellas.

Obama's just lost whatever white votes he had left.

Posted by: Good luck spinning this one | April 25, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

What he is trying to say is that African Americans have always voted white. We voted overwhelmingly for Kerry over Sharpton in the 2004 primaries. Now we have a viable candidate, and he is getting sabatoge by the very people that we have supported for ever. If Hillary gets the nomination despite losing in states won, delegates won, and popular vote, black people will feel betrayed much like this famous quote from "on the waterfront"

"It wasn't him, Charley, it was you. Remember that night in the Garden you came down to my dressing room and you said, "Kid, this ain't your night. We're going for the price on Wilson." You remember that? "This ain't your night"! My night! I coulda taken Wilson apart! So what happens? He gets the title shot outdoors on the ballpark and what do I get? A one-way ticket to Palooka-ville! You was my brother, Charley, you shoulda looked out for me a little bit. You shoulda taken care of me just a little bit so I wouldn't have to take them dives for the short-end money."

Posted by: Jasper | April 25, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm one of the "Young" voters in this country scum bag. Only 27, and know more than your poor uneducated mind ever will be.

THE ONLY AFRICAN AMERICANS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE IMMIGRANTS...THE REST ARE WANNA-BES CLINGING TO AN ARCHAIC THOUGHT AND A LOST IDENTITY!

Posted by: My Name | April 25, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and the knuckleheads who think the Democratic party can win without black voters are either poorly informed or Republicans. I am part of the Move-On.org white guy demographic. We're not too thrilled with the Clintons right now either. Now that the point has been made by Rep. Clyburn, I suggest we tamp this furor down - but keep our powder dry.

Posted by: Chuck | April 25, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

That big rift in the big tent will let the McCain reign in.

Posted by: Ed | April 25, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

To all non-black minorities lets follow the path of blacks and use violence as a way to address racism to our respective races. Blacks burned Watts, Detroit, Los Angeles, etc., and white people listen. If one of our people commits a murder, rapes, or robs a white person lets threaten them with a race riot so they will walk.
Non-violence and assimilation is not the answer. The American Dream is dead. Black people have assassinated the American Dream. Traditional American values have been replaced with a culture of hate. The days of taking accountability for your actions are over. Non-black minorities stop working hard. Be like black people. Start killing, raping, and robbing white people. Blame everything on white people. Only then will white people acknowledge our existence and address racism to our respective groups.

Posted by: National Association for the Advancement of Non-Black Minorities | April 25, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

The Representative is not baiting or blackmailing, he is presenting his own hypothesis based on his experience in politics and his communication with African American voters and, more likely, his constituents.

He is not demanding anything. He expressed a fact that the Democrats have a propensity to marginalize and take for granted the black vote because it has historically been one of the most loyal base groups to the Democratic party.

No Democratic nominee will ever win a general election in the United States of America without this demographic group. Inasmuch as white voters feel empowered to say if Hillary doesn't win the nomination they will vote Republican, so too, can African American's empower themselves to react similarly in this foolish quid pro quo.

Clymer is merely pointing out the damage that Bill and Hillary Clinton, as well as, the media, are doing to the party by injecting a negative racial overtone to this primary. Is it a threat to state a fact or make an observation? I say not.

It is true, unfortunately, that African American voters have a tendency to be apathetic when it comes to voting, particularly, when they feel, by life experience, that they are being taken advantage of, said another way, taken for granted.

Sometimes the strongest vote is not to vote at all. Then, those who depend on that vote, will understand that their policy, message, and agenda must substantively embrace the needs of every constiuency that they wish to represent. In America, lets face it, whites are not ill-represented in public policy, they dominate it. However, if they require the black vote to acquire or remain in office, then fairly, their policy has to add value to that constiuent base as well.

Racial overtones is not something that black people forget easily. As this primary is being run, when it comes to the general election, if Hillary is the nominee, and they don't tone this race-baiting down, it will hurt her and the Democratic party. Not by massive African American's running to vote for McCain, but by their not voting at all. Thereby handing McCain a victory.

Posted by: Concernedaboutdc | April 25, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

So.... Clyburn's comments = blackmail that will drive you to vote for Hillary or John McCain.

The Democratic Donors letter sent to Nancy Pelosi = standing up for Saint Hillary.

Clyburn's comments - saying that black people didn't like the perceived racist remarks means a black riot if Obama isn't nominated.

The Democratic donors letter = We OWN the Democratic party. You better do what we say or we'll never raise money for the Democratic party. We own YOU Nancy. Dance, puppet dance.

Of course, even though both are forms of blackmail, if Hillary does it, it's A-OK. She can do no wrong.

You were already for Hillary anyway so just spare me the self-righteous indignation unless you can see the glass house.

Posted by: raduodogi | April 25, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

My Name, you sound like a typical South African, you probably came to American because Apartheid ended. Don't take your anger out on AFRICAN AMERICANS because you couldn't join the KKK because of your "funny" accent.

Posted by: Go back to Africa My Name | April 25, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Ron M - another sick post by an Obama supporter.

Posted by: Fred C Dobbs | April 25, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

N E O C O N S

F O R

C L I N T O N


try and froment racial hatred


...and take a black candidate, and say he's racist...yes, I know...a stretch...but do it anyway....

Americans are dumb (look how we got them to invade Iraq)

and remember:

HILLARY VOTED FOR OUR WAR

.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

J Brooklyn, that is a beautiful post you have posted there. I absolutely agree with you.

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 25, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton brought up race when he compared Obama to Jackson. Clinton did not speak about it directly, just the way a bigot might. Don't blame Clyburn for saying what African American in general think. He did not speak about what blacks are entitled to. He said Bill Clinton keep your mouth shut or you may see a backlash that is unexpected. If Clinton would get the nomination I would completely understand staying home, although I think going out and voting third party is more effective.

Fools blame the messenger. Those who come to Mr Clinton's defense are both foolish and closet racists.
Nerves are frayed and quiet is the best salve. Clinton supporters think about the party. Leave the bigotry to the Republicans posing as Clinton supporters.

The Democratic Party has failed the country for some time and I think that it has to worry about its image.

Posted by: Ron M | April 25, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Every day it becomes a little bit clearer that race is a big force in the Obama campaign. Hillary Clinton is now being duly warned that for her to criticize Barack Obama is to run the risk of African American voters staying home in November.

It's like asking her to wage a campaign with one hand behind her back while Obama comes at her with a baseball bat.

It was like that in S. Carolina where Obama internal memos set the strategy to use race whenever or whereever Bill Clinton spoke.

Posted by: Fred C Dobbs | April 25, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

I am a moderate white blue-collar Democrat who will now not vote for Hillary under any circumstances because of her extreme negativity and scare tactics she's using more and more during the campaign. It's all just so old-school and makes me certain that what we need at this moment in time in the United States of America is to get rid of old-school politicians and bring in a new breed. There's only about a nickel's worth of difference in the policies of Hillary and Barack, but in their style there's a HUGE difference. No more Clinton style for me. That's over. Done. Kaput.

Posted by: MerryJoe | April 25, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

The racial crap is coming from black people.

In the Washington Post, I posted a message where I quoted from a speech, word for word, that Obama gave in Gary Indiana about parental responsibility. I got all these hateful responses, saying that I was a racist. Obama said the things!

Are we going to put a crowd in the White House that will try to shut people up with charges of racism?

Posted by: Fred | April 25, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

What is sad is that all this fighting between Obama and Hillary probably means we are gonna get a crotchety old McCain elected. Personally I am going to vote for whoever gets the Democratic nomination. At this point it's more important to me to get the Republicans out of office.

Posted by: scott | April 25, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

African American politicians have a history of shooting themselves in the foot and Clyburn seems to be following in that path. Now Bill Clinton is a racist! For Clyburn racism means being in disagreement, or having a mind of one's own. Barak Obama is a an excellent human being, but he lacks experience in the political realm as well as toughness. As he said earlier in the campaign, the Democrats lack ideas and that is apparent by the temper of their campaign. They just don't have an ideology any longer and seem to exist on Bush bashing. People like Clyburn will racialize issues that have no racial content and in the end, make Obama a black candidate, who will marginalize himself and divorce from the Democratic base: blue-collar workers, ethnic voters and the large Catholic base. I see another disaster for the Dems, a McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis fiasco.

Posted by: Alfonso | April 25, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Those are very incendiary and racist comments by Clyburn. The democratic party and the Clintons have been good for the black community and the black community supported the Clintons until now. Now with Hillary's campaign gaining momentum in the late hours Clyburn throws around shameless racist threats against his long time political allies in desperation. Clyburn - you are a racist, you have no integrity, you are shameless, you are inept (obviously can't make a rational argument), and the democratic party doesn't need you. Please go become a republican - you can do more damage there.

Posted by: John | April 25, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

You people are nuts! We are facing Social Security disappearing, a war that some are trying to keep going for 100 years, gas approaching $5.00/gallon, national debt that will take 3 generations to balance, and a decreasing dollar. Yet the only concern is how were going to get rid of black people in this country who are fellow citizens. There are far more pressing issues we're facing than turning on each other.

Posted by: Pissed off White Man | April 25, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

who, exactly are all these (one, really) Hillary supporter(s?) trying to stoke up hatred of Black Americans?

Who's next?

The Jews?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

anybody have a time machine I can use so that I get a do-over for the time I wasted reading some of the ridiculous comments posted here? if this is a fair sample of what passes for thoughtful commentary from the American electorate, then all I can say is God help us. We'll get what we deserve come election day.

Posted by: wish i had not read these comments | April 25, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

What happened to progress?

The height of this tension and racism scares me. I don't think this country is ready to have an honest conversation on race. I am in an interracial marriage and all I see when I look at my husband is someone I love. There are no fights about race. The disagreements we have are just as any couples are. If black and white people spent more time with one another outside of work or situations where it is required I believe that we would see that our goals are more similiar than not. A good life for ourselves and our families. Nobody has to lose. We can all peacefully accomplish our goals.

Posted by: J Brooklyn | April 25, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I've reread this entire article again to attempt to gain some understanding. I think I understand what he was saying, talking in terms of equating one's success by the percentage of votes per racial group? I originally took it a whole different way. And in doing so, it potentially underminds an entire group of people whom are just as excited about this whole process. I can understand what he's saying there from That point of view, if I misunderstood the first time.

I don't think ANY group should be talked about separately as far as this voting process goes because it helps less I think. I believe that every group, every individual has fair share of importance and the light should be shone on the entire process that way instead of broken down as it has been. Absolutely. I agree with THAT. Absolutely.

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 25, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

African American politicians have a history of shooting themselves in the foot and Clyburn seems to be following in that path. Now Bill Clinton is a racist! For Clyburn racism means being in disagreement, or having a mind of one's own. Barak Obama is a an excellent human being, but he lacks experience in the political realm as well as toughness. As he said earlier in the campaign, the Democrats lack ideas and that is apparent by the temper of their campaign. They just don't have an ideology any longer and seem to exist on Bush bashing. People like Clyburn will racialize issues that have no racial content and in the end, make Obama a black candidate, who will marginalize himself and divorce from the Democratic base: blue-collar workers, ethnic voters and the large Catholic base. I see another disaster for the Dems, a McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis fiasco.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Obama has been winning larger and larger black majorities because of Clinton's racial innuendo in this election. The way she sought to play Wright and Farrakhan on Obama underlines the point. Ed Rendell, a Jew, endorsed Farrakhan and the nation of Islam, Obama never has, yet Hillary attacked him for it at the debate. Disgusting hypocrisy!

Video doesn't lie and you can't even say it's out of context http://youtube.com/watch?v=P48VQ5xOfOQ

Clinton has made another Bosnia-size whopper about the Weathermen Pardons that is not being aggressively checked by the media. She says she knew nothing about the pardons her husband gave those people, despite the fact that the issue directly pitted the administration against a state in which she was campaigning to become Senator.

It's hard for any intelligent person to believe that Charles Schumer never once raised the issue with her, despite the fact that he fought so hard to stop the pardons AND despite the fact that subsequent politically questionable (hint: help Clinton win the Puerto Rican vote in New York) FALN pardons were so controversial that Congress effectively censured the President by votes of 311 and 95 in the House and Senate. She herself used the words, "freedom fighters" to describe people who had blown up NYPD officers with bombs in the 1980s as her husband was pardoning them yet she has the gall to go after Obama for Ayers.

The media has a double-standard and a vested interest in keeping this race going. Clinton has carried on being dishonest about very serious issues even after being caught out on Bosnia.

Posted by: Asja | April 25, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

.

HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR

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Posted by: . | April 25, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Blacks will do great under Preznut McCain, just like they have under the current loser-in-chief.

The "audacity of nope."

Posted by: Lamb Cannon | April 25, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

So you're from Africa Mr Clyburn? I thought you were black and American? the term "African American" should be ONLY used for IMMIGRANTS! You are not from Africa, your parents are NOT from Africa...How do you have the audacity to say you are African America?

I am African American, I was born and raised until 21 in South Africa. I am white also. I am more African American then you will ever be. When asked on my voter application what my race is I put African America, if you do you are lying like evry other FAKE African American in this country.

Scum like you need to learn about not being a closet racist and scum of America.

Posted by: My Name | April 25, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

This is all quite funny. Obama is half white. He has no idea of what being an African American in this country is all about. He sold out his white grandmother. His wife, who is in my accounts is a racist, what was her comment "where are the white people..we need more white people" at one rally!!! The guy talking about republicans voting for Hilary...what about the repblicans voting for Obama. Look who is endorsing Obama...all the old school boys....why because they know they can control him. Those are the guys that have to get out of politics for change to occur. The older I get the more bitter I get. I am tired of paying for all the low lifes in this world and I don't care what color you are red, yellow, white, black. Take what life has dealt you and make the best of it. This is McCain's election no matter who gets the Dem nomination. So everyone get over and lets start being the country our founding fathers envisioned!!!!!!!

Posted by: AverageJoe | April 25, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

It's time for white people to have some balls and step up when they see black racism against whites.

Posted by: The Light | April 25, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

its time for black ppl to step up and denounce black racism.

Posted by: rasta power | April 25, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Representative Clyburn is right, indeed modest in his understatement, which reflects fairly the way the politicos and media have dealt with the black community. No blackmail is involved, merely an overdue candid observation of the exploitation and then dismissal of parts of the citizenry. I happen to be white, but I am profoundly outraged by the way the Clintons since South Carolina and the pundits in general have dealt with parts of the population as if they mattered less. The fight-to-win at any price efforts are modern versions of traditional rabble rousing, as if some Democrats want to copy the Republican "Southern Strategy." No one truly wins and American democracy in general loses when light is not shone on such racism.

Posted by: wp | April 25, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

There are plenty of us white folk who won't even consider voting for Hillary, after the way she has run this campaign.

Posted by: thomas | April 25, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Race card?Other than accusing Bill of playing it and threatening to try to pull all the black vote from them her if she should be the nominee I don't see ant race card.

Posted by: pabobr | April 25, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

hillary - can't take care of her man, can't take care of our country

Posted by: TheTruth | April 25, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm sitting here reading the comments of some of these posters, now granted a lot of them are cowards because they can say these racists things behind a computer screen.

The politicians running in both parties need to read these posts. There's no way you can't tell me racism doesn't exist in this country. Granted I know a lot of whites who in no shape form or fashion, subscribe to this kind of behavior, but apparently there are a lot out there that still do.

Posted by: What happened to progress? | April 25, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama's career is now officially over.

This is blackmail, and its going to backfire on so many levels its not funny.

Clyburn has just set race relations back 50 years.

Clyburn's career is over too.

If he doesn't resign, he should be brought up on ethics charges.

Posted by: This is blackmail, and it going to backfire, "big time' | April 25, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Why does all this racial tribalisation seem normal to all the posters here? As if it were completely reasonable for races to vote en bloc for their candidate, and threaten rebellion if their candidate is denied victory. It strikes me as something uncomfortably close the the world of Kenya or Rwanda, where the Kikuyu fight for control with the Luo, the Luo sell the Maasai into slavery, and the Tutsi and the Hutu try to exterminate each other. Can this be the Democratic Party?

Posted by: raskolnik | April 25, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Im going to hold my breath if Obama doesnt get the nomination.

Posted by: hhkeller | April 25, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

One African-American speaks out, and the racist morons are foaming at the mouth. It is good to see where we are at in this country. These posting fools are the raw side of the slick types like the judge who showed us his inner self today. I repeat: Clinton and McCain are wrestling over who will win the Wallace Democrats. Somewhere old George Wallace is enjoying the show. When will the next African-American dare run for the Presidency?

Yeah, in case you are wondering. I think it is time for white folks to step up and denounce white racism. And, in case you are wondering: I hope the Clintons go away and don't come back.

Posted by: rfusty 3 | April 25, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

First Rev Wright gives an interview with Bill Moyers, then this.

Are these clowns secretly working for Clinton?

Posted by: WylieD | April 25, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and us don't need any vote but from females.

Ladies, together, we can rule the world.

Let the men wash dishes. Hillary don't let us down. Hit Obama with the Kitchen Sink...and McCain is too old.

This time, a real LADY for PRESIDENT!

Hillary,

08, 16, 24, 32....FOREVER!

Posted by: Ruth Jen | April 25, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

I guess racial blackmail can only be accomplished effectively by working class whites because this conversation was all centered on them until Clayburn brouoght up another perspective. I am not for any racial blackmail, but I would like to see the will of the majority carried out. Is that not democracy?

Posted by: J. Dima | April 25, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton should stop talking about race in this election. He is only casting himself as a racist everytime he tries to blame the Obama campaign for racism. Nobody asked him to make the comment about Jesse Jackson. Nobody asked him to talk about it again a few days ago in Pennsylvania. He is doing it deliberately to subliminally drive the race idea in the minds of white voters just before they go to the polling booths. There is no other reason. The Clintons want that extra vote regardless of how they get it. They would probably even hesitate to kill somebody to get that extra vote. That is how desperate they are.

Posted by: David Washington | April 25, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

It will be interesting to see how the Clintons try to pivot out of this one when Senator Clinton has to give up in the Presidential primary. How are they going to hold out the olive branch? Who will believe them? Representative Clyburn had to speak out because the Clintons have been relentless in their race based attacks on Senator Obama. It has been ridiculous and shameful. The short-term "benefit" in Pennsylvania and Ohio has done them long-term harm. Stick a fork in Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. She's done.

Posted by: Chuck | April 25, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

What it boils down to is that anyone who does not vote for Barack Obama is considered to be a Racist. As long as the Black community holds to this concept, they will never be free to exercise their own intelectual.

By alienating the white and other races voters, even Democratic party voters will vote for the opposing party, or not vote at all. This could be the deciding margin in the presidential election. We must not lose sight of the fact that these same voters may not vote for Democratic party Senators and Representatives, which could change the balance of power in Congress.

As a result, it would not be a case of the Republican party stealing an election, but that of the vociferous Black leaders and commentators giving it away, by their denunciating speeches.

Posted by: wndctyctz | April 25, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Of course Clyburn is going to put Bill Clinton down,He's for Obama like pastor wright is like most of the black people are,talk about racism against the whites,good excuse not to vote for Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: today | April 25, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

The BO that Barack Obama brings to American politics is disgusting. HIs politics of division and hate is even more despicable because he is masquerading as a uniter. Impeach BO, we don't need any more of BO and his BS.

Posted by: Political Buck | April 25, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I feel as though these statements by Rep. Clyburn are a threat to Democrats. These statements are extremely inflamatory. This white voter knows what drives me...It's feeling as though I have a right to a nomination process and not made to feel I have no choice. What Rep Clyburn said goes two ways. It's okay to say typical white person...where was Rep. Clyburn when that statement was made? This threatening may backfire on him. Take your own advice and "chill out'!!

Posted by: cb | April 25, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Massa Bill and Miss Hillary Is going to find out there is a revolt among the chattel on the old Clinton plantation. Wait, I think I hear a theme playing.
"Way down apon the Suwannee River"

Ah, it was so nice for Massa Bill and Miss Hillary down on the old plantation with all their darkies towing the line.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

He is the third ranking democrat in the House, maybe he sticks around a little longer, he can make history by becoming the House Speaker, through affirmative actions.

Posted by: Joe | April 25, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

African-Americans if Obama doesn't get the nomination. Its time to join the Republican Party. We can counter the numbers that are leaving the Republicans for the democratic party and put McCain in office over Clinton.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

And "Tom" is posting a name!

Tell the world that you are wowed by Obama and get it out and stop the pretense of honesty!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh get a life!! and get back to your cave...Bring Barry Hussein Obama with you.

Posted by: manny | April 25, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

This is crap! Ignore the accomplishments of all successful black people and highlight the negative, but of course people only see what they want to. What a surprise!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Andrew Austin,

Those are not "bully tactics", they are terrorist's tactics!

Posted by: Kevin | April 25, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

James Clyburn, the Joker in the race card deck.

Posted by: WylieD | April 25, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Massa Bill and Miss Hillary Is going to find out there is a revolt among the chattel on the Clinton plantation.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

The last thing the Democrats need, after their history of giving in to pressure groups, is to be seen as surrendering to racial blackmail. People like Clyburn will send the Democrats back into the political wilderness for another 20 years. Funny thing, though, is that Dean and Pelosi are such cowards that they will fall for it.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | April 25, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I am just tired of Bill Clinton. He thinks he is blacker than the blacks. I don't know what he did for the black community. I can't think of anything that has been improved about the image of blacks in this country by Bill Clinton. All through this campaign Bill has been irked because there is a competent black person running for office. First of Bill should stay out of the race. He is not running for office. He talks as if he chose Harlem for his office so that he can stay close to his black community. The Clintons couldn't go back to the Arkansas. They wanted a place to stay and ended up in the Harlem. He is such a rtain wreck for the African American community. All he does is talk about race putting Obama in a funny spot just a day before people cast their votes. What a moronic ex-president we have. He is tearing down the race relations others have built over the decades in a few words that come out of his uncontrolled mouth.

Posted by: Tamika | April 25, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Clyburn is spinning conspiracy theories. His arguments are so over the top the media should save him the embarrassment and ignore him. All this is an attempt to intimidate Democrats by threatening a black boycott of the elections. These are bully tactics typical of Obama supporters.

The fact is that Clyburn, along with a lot of Obama supporters, realize that this thing is slipping away from them. The illusion has worn thin. The mystique has faded. The reality is becoming apparent. The increasing hatefulness of Obamaniacs is a sign of their realization and desperation.

Why the Democratic party doesn't end this now and get behind Clinton is a very curious thing.

Posted by: Andrew Austin | April 25, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

To all non-black minorities lets follow the path of blacks and use violence as a way to address racism to our respective races. Blacks burned Watts, Detroit, Los Angeles, etc., and white people listen. If one of our people commits a murder, rapes, or robs a white person lets threaten them with a race riot so they will walk.
Non-violence and assimilation is not the answer. The American Dream is dead. Black people have assassinated the American Dream. Traditional American values have been replaced with a culture of hate. The days of taking accountability for your actions are over. Non-black minorities stop working hard. Be like black people. Start killing, raping, and robbing white people. Blame everything on white people. Only then will white people acknowledge our existence and address racism to our respective groups.

Posted by: National Association for the Advancement of Non-Black Minorities | April 25, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I think that's the entire problem I have with the entire idea. Racism exists as much as there are issues regarding gender, yes it's true. We've come a long way as a country but we can ALWAYS strive to improve as a nation and should I think. However, the fewer the people whom participate in the idea of whom is in what race and what race contributes to what, I mean do you see how divisive that is? How about thinking and supporting instead, the general idea of people together as one diverse group? The thing is, African Americans are clearly a smaller fraction in terms of population to compare with the other dominant in terms of population. This isn't a war between the races; if it were, African Americans as a group would fail miserably. It is in my view, that I very much would wish (but don't see it happening any time soon) that the MEDIA would stop dividing groups by the races in terms of voting, and I wish people would stop claiming their contributions to a party by the race as well. Everybody has issues as a country, everybody has a stake in this, African Americans are a fraction of Obama's support and Hillary's compared to those of other groups, and it's not just with African Americans, I'm tired of how many Whites are going in this direction or that, and Latinos etc the list goes on. I disagree with the media egging it on, and having that repeated on television or in the papers, for many it'll play on their psychological level. I see through that and I disagree. I disagree with everyone doing it.

Without bias ~ A supporter of Obama

I'd like every person to stop participating, whether it's the media, and every individual doing it. It helps little. Unified, we can accomplish A LOT. I definitely believe that.

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 25, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Rep. Clyburn. I, a white woman, have been waiting for this statement from somebody, anybody. Now, if only the mainstream media will think about what they say.

Posted by: NLH | April 25, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

You can tell North Carolina primary is coming soon. Clyburn is just stirring up the racial melting pot once again.

Clyburn is the most corrupted democrats politician (black or white) from South Carolina. If this fellow is white, he would be in jail by now.

Clyburn is in leadership position in congress simply because he is black. This fellow has very little working brain in the US Congress.

Posted by: Clyburn Who? | April 25, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Don't ya just love America. This really is the best place on earth.

Posted by: Keith Richard Radford Jr. | April 25, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Mexican President,

Take note on what's happening to Barack. If there's a viable Asian Candidate or Latino candidate running in the race who although has more states won, more delegates, and leads the popular vote, they'll figure out a way to take it from him/her.

Then when you cry foul, they'll make you out to be un-American, unpatriotic. Forget the fact that since the history of this country you've supported white candidates through thick and thin, sent contributions, knocked on doors, went to rallies. Defended the candidate whether it be watergate, iran-contra, or monica. Its damned if you do and damned if you don't.

The Clintons have trivialized African-Americans since the Iowa primary even though we supported the Clintons through their most outrageous scandals. Then a prominent Latino politician in our country decides to support Obama and he's likened to Judas. They didn't call Kerry or Kennedy Judas did they?

Posted by: I hear ya | April 25, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

The reality of this entire situation is that the final ticket will be Obama - Clinton or Clinton - Obama.

Posted by: Interested Voter | April 25, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

This whole election is coming down to race and sex. Are older white women going to riot at the convention? No, I don't think so.
I still support Hillary to the end but I'm non-violent.

Posted by: Lynn E | April 25, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

McBillary needs to chill out. How dare she and her husband assume that the black voters will flock to them after their heinous behaviour?

Posted by: sentheru | April 25, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic Party before Obama is not the same Party.

The pre-Barrack Democrats wouldn't vote for him.

The members he brought into the party would only vote for him.

The only question is why he doesn't split off the party now and form a new coalition around his own constituency.

Posted by: John Bailo | April 25, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

No is asking for affirmative action for the presidency! He is beating her fair and square. The comments about black people rioting and looting (you people meaning ignorant people should just go away)bye bye now.

Posted by: J. Dima | April 25, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama has BO. B. Obama = definition BO. dude will stink up Congress and America.

Posted by: Typical Black Voter | April 25, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Good for him! The Clintons have been shameless racebaiters through this campaign and it's high time somebody called them on it.

Posted by: jeff wagner | April 25, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I sense that most of you would never vote for Obama under any circumstances, which have more to do with you tham with him. If you listened to what Mr. Clyburn said instead of what you think he said you might be able to present a rational argument. What I understand Rep. Clyburn to be saying is: White ethnic working class American are but one part of the democratic voters and the focus of the media and pundits, as well as Hillary is primarily on them, while blacks are being marginalized. Therefore, it would be okay for the super delegates to override the majority vote and give it to Hillary, so that white ethnic working class people can feel good about them selves for not having to vote for a person of color. Remember this is still America and race is and will be an issue. There has never been a person of color or a woman to vote for in a presidential election. So, it is natural that the majority of blacks will vote for Obama, as this may the one and only time in most of their lifetimes to vote for someone that remotely looks like them, but Obama has support for many other groups that are not black, as well. Since the Voting Rights Act was passed blacks have dutifully voted for the Democratic Party, this is no time for the Party to give them the brush-off. It will not be good for Hillary or the party.

Posted by: Barbara | April 25, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

rgg56,

This is NOT a small minority who feel ignored, instead, they make threats and become so extreme divisively.

Posted by: Honk | April 25, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

I guess I should stay home this November, as the Democrats didn't support the white male (John Edwards).

Oh wait, the republicans are running a white male. I don't know his politics but I'll vote for him. is that the way it works now?

Posted by: Tristan Yates | April 25, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

As a PA resident I can assure you that it would not have mattered what Osama said or did- working class whites would not drink his kool aid. Everyone knows that blacks are lazy and unable to manage executive positions. Therefore, it would be a mistake to elect a black to the Presidency.

If Osama gets the nomination through affirmative action, rest assured, many whites in the democratic party will vote for McCain. The DNC ought to think twice before giving him the nomination over an experienced, intelligent woman like Hillary Clinton.

I dont have anything personal against blacks but I just dont want to be governed by them. Look at how they create filthy ghettos.

Posted by: Typical White Male | April 25, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I find it ridiculous that everyone is so upset about Clyburns comments since he is right. The black vote has been taken for granted by the Democratic Party. Blacks have also been the most loyal voting block in the dem party. No one is trying to blackmail anyone into voting for Obama, however I think that if the nomination is given to the candidate with fewer delegates that all supporters of the candidate that is in the lead will feel cheated. The Clintons once enjoyed tremendous support from the black community until Bill Clinton starting making these comments that had a demeaning tone and Clayburn is warning that his actions could have lasting implications for the party as well as the Clinton legacy. I am also tired of people talking about the failures of blacks. I am an American Caribbean black woman and have never been a failure at anything. I am a very successful attorney and have never characterized myself as a victim, however that does mean that we do not have a way to go in terms of race relations. I have a question for all those that are upset about the comment. Why is it OK for the Clinton camp to keep hammering away at the point that Obama can not win white voters, but it is inappropriate for Clayburn to point out the fact that African Americans are a strong and loyal part of the democratic base?

Posted by: J. Dima | April 25, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

"Why is there not a call for a Latino President or an Asian President." Richardson is Latino, and he was a good candidate. He'll be back. For now, he's supporting Obama.

Posted by: tom | April 25, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

I personally disagree with this guy here. I disagree that he speaks for the crowd. I'll let the people speak for themselves. He has freedom of speech, but I think I'd have preferred he not participate or egg on the racial divisive view regardless of who said what, but be a part of the progressive team in general instead of participating in this nonsense. I disagree with him.

A supporter of Obama

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 25, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

The Presidency is not an affirmative action prize, it has to be earned. If BO can earn it, fine. If not, so be it. To date, he has not earned the nomination. Clyburn's threats and Wrights rants will only highten BO's unelectable status in the fall. Congrats, Dems, you're snatching defeat from the jaws of victory with your eyes wide open.

Posted by: Keith | April 25, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

"Hell, they'll probably riot and loot a few TVs, who knows? Doesn't take much to set them off."

That comment says all that is necessary about the tenor of some of these responses. "Doesn't take much to set them off." Why don't you just say those people are "uppity?" My God. I trust this is the attitude of a very small minority.

This is about a group of people feeling ingored, taken for granted, and now...written off. He's not campaigning for black dissatisfaction- the Congressman is expressing what he is hearing in the African-American community. When you have a candidate who implies their opponent's victories in states like S.Carolina, Mississippi, Georgia and Alabama are worthless, you don't have to work hard to see the implications and feel the slight.

Posted by: rgg56 | April 25, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Nothing is more arrogant than when folks like this act like they speak for a whole race of people. Amazing!. He most certainly does not speak for me as a black man. Such incredible arrogance! Imagine if somebody got up and asserts that he speaks for for all white people!

Posted by: DDGG88 | April 25, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Truth when said hurts, Clyburn was speaking truth. Truth may die sevarl deaths but it will truimph at last. Clintons were all along using ethinic and other moninorities, specifically blacks, and now Clinons true color is out in the open.

Posted by: MK | April 25, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Clyburn did not slam the clintons--he warned them two months ago to cool the racial slurs. Remember Obama had little Black support in the early days and won from the WHITE voters!!!

The clintons have blackmailed, appointed and stacked the DNC deck for 16 years for her run for President and she is still loosing to a relatively unknown of two years ago...
Has anyone asked the question why it is not an issue that old white women vote for hillery[I am one but hillery is not my candidate]to the max? What is that if not bias?

The super's need to get a backbone and declare for the candidate they feel will bring us the Presidency!

Posted by: docb | April 25, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

"Who hell does this guy think that he is?"

The third-ranking Democrat in the House. Who the hell do you think you are? Nobody, apparently, since you didn't post a name.

Posted by: tom | April 25, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

BOY!!!! he said he speaks for all African Americans! Maybe we need to step back to look at what all those African Americans are!

Posted by: Honk | April 25, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

race card again.

Posted by: peartree | April 25, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

i'm sorry but i can't believe that so many people are outraged about what clyburn said. gain some perspective people, it's one guy saying something who isn't even in the boat for either candidate. ease up.

Posted by: » | April 25, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Randell said "whites" in PA wouldn't vote for Barack. People from that generation have a tendency to look backwards.

This is a new day. We may as well get ready for it. If Barack is willing to work with the foe, then you BETTER know.


Obama-Clinton 2008, together they win hands down.

The troops are proving their loyalty and that's good.

When the time come, we'll come together. Keep Fighting all the way until Nov.

Obama-Clinton 2008

Posted by: OneFreeMan | April 25, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

The difference is that African American voters would absolutely not vote, or would vote Republican, in the event the Superdelegates were to overturn the vote of the people.

In addition to the African American voters, much of the young vote, which has come out in record numbers to vote in this election, would defect from the Democrats.

Lastly, the Independents (myself included) would go to McCain because he is much more appealing to Independents than Clinton.

The working class white voters will support Obama once the primaries are over and the Superdelegates affirm the vote of the people. They have absolutely no reason not to. By that point, all the voting will be done and there will be no debating who won the nomination.

Furthermore, the issues that are important to these working class white voters (healthcare mainly) are not addressed by the Republicans so if they truly matter to these people they will go with Obama because his policies are very similar to those of Clinton.

If they choice to do otherwise they would only be hurting themselves.

Posted by: gthstonesman | April 25, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a fraud. He has been a Senator for two years TWO YEARS. He has no experience running anything on an administrative level.

He is a politician who when faced with difficult votes on the STATE level voted present 130 times instead of having the backbone to vote yes or no which is allowed in the notorious Illinois political system but begs the question of what will be his actions during difficult times in the White House you can't vote present as President of The United States

He hides a racist belief system behind a unity pretense (read his comments about bitter small town people clinging to guns and religion as a racist swipe at white Americans)

He scorns Clinton and McCain for their votes on the authorization for the invasion of Iraq without mentioning he was not in the senate to tally a vote (he also purposely leaves out the fact that the vote was for a last resort solution and The Idiot Bush lied about a promise not to go adventuring with the American army and the intelligence given to the voting members of the legislative branch of the federal government was cherry picked by The Demon Cheney)

It was my concern in January that the main stream media (MSM) had effectively split the Democratic Party between a black man and a woman (both historical candidates). Whoever the candidate is, the extremely disappointed supporters of the losing candidate will not come out in full support and a lot of them will simply sit out the election thus handing the election to McCain. But more research on the subject turns out a different conclusion. Obama has the vote of young people. Young people are unreliable and do not vote in national elections. Obama has the support of the black community. Blacks do not vote in a national election. If Obama secures the nomination, McCain will be the next president. If Clinton wins the nomination, the black and young vote will not matter anyway and the democrats will win the election.

Posted by: dac04 | April 25, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

The problem is very simple in France: race does not exist in France. It is illegal to speak about race.
One cannot denie the fact that black people experiences slavery in America and were disavantaged, But why is not possible in this century to obliterate this racial issue in the US?

Posted by: jojoju | April 25, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

What God has for Obama...Obama will get and the gates of hell cannot prevail against.

Posted by: yhagty78 | April 25, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

so, so sad that clyburn has come out with such irresponsible rhetoric. he is clearly doing this to help Obama in NC, which may help his candidate of choice win the there in the short run, but it's going to damage the democratic party in the long run.

he cleary supports obama and this is exactly what they did after Hillary won NH, before the SC primary. suddenly the clintons are racists.

you can't keep pulling the race geni out of the bottle and expect it to go back in for the next contest. if you keep charging people not voting for obama, or poeple who support clinton, are racists, this contest and our country will become more and more polarized around race.

a sad, sad day for rep. clyburn. he should be ashamed.

Posted by: priusdriver | April 25, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

AMEN!!!!

Posted by: TAG | April 25, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

With 99.51% of the vote counted in Pennsylvania Hillary Clinton received 1,238,232 (54.6%) votes and Barack Obama received 1,030,703 (45.4%), a "winning margin" for Clinton of 207,529 (9.2%) votes. But how many of Clinton's votes were actually phantom votes cast by John McCain supporters who will vote for McCain in November? How many McCain supporters decided to newly register as Democrats in Pennsylvania or purposely changed their existing Republican registration to Democrat specifically to vote for Clinton in the Democratic presidential primary and artificially boost her standing in hopes of causing trouble for the Democrats in accordance with Republican talk show host Rush Limbaugh's strategy of falsely promoting Hillary Clinton which he calls "Operation Chaos"?
This Republican strategy of trying to make Hillary Clinton's vote totals appear significantly larger than they really are and to possibly deny or at least delay the nomination of Barack Obama was operative previously in Texas, Ohio, and Mississippi, with one estimate of 40,000 phantom votes having been cast for Clinton in Mississippi by McCain supporters.
How many phantom votes were cast by McCain supporters in Pennsylvania?
According to the Philadelphia Enquirer, Pennsylvania Democrats have gained 326,756 voters since a year ago, and Pennsylvania Republicans have lost 73,009. A total of 3,060,835 million votes were cast in the Pennsylvania presidential primary April 22, 2008. If 100,000 of Clinton's votes were actually phantom votes cast by McCain supporters her purported winning margin of 9.2% would be nearly cut in half. If the number of phantom votes for Clinton turned out to be 207,529, the democratic primary election in Pennsylvania between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton would have actually been a tie.
Minus the phantom votes from McCain supporters, how many real votes did Hillary Clinton actually receive in Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania?
Conservative Republicans must be significantly concerned about the likely outcome of a November election between the two "nice guys", Senator John McCain who will then be 72 years old and Senator Barack Obama who will be age 47. Why else would they be seeking to promote their arch enemy Hillary Clinton by casting phantom votes for her?

Posted by: William | April 25, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

donald chase,
if representative clyburn can change your vote so easily you were clearly leaning toward hillary anyway.


what he's saying is legitimate, though the phrasing is strange. why are people so concerned that barack can't win the white working class vote in the general--based on primary results--when there is no empirical evidence saying that one is indicative of the other? if you want to continue along that same tortured logic, then people should be equally concerned that hillary will lose the black, youth, and more affluent voters. it doesn't make sense.

Posted by: phi | April 25, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

It isn't about race, Clyburn, it is about common fairness and common decency.

The other day, Barack Obama, gave Hillary "the finger," when he was talking about Hillary.

Today, BARACK OBAMA GAVE HILLARY CLINTON "THE FINGER" AGAIN.

Those gestures along should negate any superdelegate from endorsing him.

Barack Obama is too immature to be the President of the United States.

Those gestures, as well as the company he has kept since he quit smoking marijuana and "chasing blow whenever he could afford it," when he went to Columbia University, are all the voters need to know about this guy.

He is immature and whines when he doesn't get his way. He plays "reverse dirty tricks" on Hillary and Bill Clinton. Obama and his campaign blame everyone else for his mistakes and poor choices.

He can't blame Hillary for being so immature that he gives "the finger" when people ask him questions about his troubling past.

Just who will Barack Obama give the finger to, or blame, or whine about if he is in the White House?

This is not an issue of race - this is an issue of the character of the man.

Clyburn, Lewis, and the rest of the AA's can hide behind race when things go wrong, but the American voters are not going to let such a baby get into the White House.

We need a strong, resilient leader - that is Hillary Clinton. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures@Hotmail.com | April 25, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama - Clinton 2008

Posted by: OneFreeMan | April 25, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

WELL SINCE YOU ALL THINK THE CONGRESSMAN IS SOOO WRONG...THEN TRY HIM. AND HILLARY WILL PAY THE PRICE, AND MCCAIN AND REPUBLICANS WILL BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE 4 MORE YEARS.

Posted by: TAG | April 25, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

This joker said yesterday that he is still neutral. Some neutral. First, he slams the Clintons, now he is issuing threats and fatwas. I wonder what civil rights he fought for? Rights of the Cuban variety?

African Americans, I am sorry to say, have been unbelievably racist in this campaign. First, they sided with Obama and against Sen Clinton solely on the basis of race. When Obama did n't even show up at the Black Forum, they could n't care less (but when McCain, Rudy, et al did n't show up, every one was piling up on them). The black community did n't care that Obama did n't even pay lip service to Jenna 6. No one knows Obama's attitude towards affirmative action - may be in his "there is no black America, no white AMerica, only US of America" rhetoric, it is OK to do away with affirmative action. Would that still be OK by the likes of this Clyburn joker? Perhaps it is more important to have a symbolic Black President than to have one who does something on issues that matter to the blacks? Clyburn seems to think so.

Posted by: intcamd1 | April 25, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats are learning what Republicans learned earlier in the last century: having to please the blacks is no pleasure.

Posted by: candide | April 25, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Why is this country only focused on black civil rights. Why is there not a call for a Latino President or an Asian President. Latinos and Asians face just as much racism as blacks and maybe even more. We don't have the voice and the representation in the media and Hollywood that they do. Kanye West says President Bush hates black people and its all over the news. Meanwhile, other minority groups are left without a voice. It seems the message America is saying to other minority groups as you don't matter.
Instead of working hard and living the American Dream, maybe Latinos and Asians need to start targeting white people and say I hate white people, beat up white people, rape them, and burn their cars. Will that get your attention. Maybe then, America will start paying attention to Latino and Asian-Americans?

Posted by: Mexican President | April 25, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Clyburn Warns Democratic Party: African Americans Matter.

Well, I am an Obama supporter. I here the issue being raised. I'm thinking - what took so long for the obvious to be raised. I have observed, felt and see the same concerns that are being raise here, and I have an issue with fundamental fairness with how this (yahoo contest) is turning out/unfolding. Hillary & Bill will stop at nothing to win back the white house. The inconvenient truth about Bill & Hillary is that they'll stop at nothing to accomplish their objective - including (despicable acts to tarnish the Demo nomination to win against NRP). The problem here is that the DNC doesn't have any backbone to "disqualify" a corrupted player, therefore you have what we have here. I for one will NOT vote for Hillary - period. DNC - get backbone and take Bill and Hillary out otherwise you risk something worse that the republican meltdown. In fact, it may be too late. PS - listen to RUSH - he wants Hillary to win too. Stupid!

Posted by: Self | April 25, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Donald Chase,

I with you. I'm in Indiana and Barack just lost my vote. With supporters like this, who needs enemies? My vote will not be coersed by this primadonna who thinks he speaks for all African-Americans. He does not speak for me!

Posted by: Shauna | April 25, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Oh so we might as well give it to him now, right? If they don't like the outcome they will walk. Well it works both ways and there are a lot of white voters who will go with McCain if the shoe falls on the other foot and we'll have four more years of the Republicans.

Just because there is a candidate you like doesn't mean you are entitled to the candidate winning. Many first time voters seem to think this is the way it works. Stick around and see how the process works....

Posted by: buzzsaw1 | April 25, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I am a dem for 15 years and I second the last post message "Posted by: | April 25, 2008 7:19 PM". I have made up my mind months ago who to vote for in November. No more blackmailing!

Posted by: Johny | April 25, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

I don't deny that race (and gender) has almost certainly played an important role in this election. However, I don't think Mr. Clyburn's statements are either true or helpful. I really don't think people are saying that African Americans "don't matter." Clearly they do - the Democratic party has always recognized that the African American "community" (I put that in quotes because I hesitate to describe any ethnic, racial, etc. group as one monolothic entity) is an essential part of its base. And, although obviously the vast majority of African American voters have favored Obama, Hillary also has strong support from the community, including such prominent African Americans as Maya Angelou and Mayor Nutter of Philadelphia. So I resent Mr. Clyburn's veiled attempt to paint the Clintons as closet racists. Moreover, I think it is wrong and ill-advised for Mr. Clyburn to amp up the so-called racial tension in this race. (A tension, I believe, that would not exist without pundits and politicos like Mr. Clyburn making it an issue.)

Posted by: Ryan | April 25, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Well, that's it! I was undecided about who I was going to support here in North Carolina. Clyburn sealed the deal for me. My vote will not be hijacked by this race-baiter. Mr. Clyburn, congratulations, my vote goes to Hillary Clinton because of your thinly vieled threats.

Posted by: Donald Chase | April 25, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

You tell 'em Clyde!

Posted by: Clinton F. | April 25, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Once again, the idiots come out talking. This site seems to be a magnet for them. YOu people should spend less time posting here and spend more time working for that GED you've been dreaming about.

Posted by: Andrew Schilling | April 25, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Shameless WaPo doesn't give a
fair headline to this topic:

The Clintons are being RACIST!

The media/corporate fascists are
fueling the flames of the Clinton
rasism!

People aren't apathetic, as much
as they are furious over the
manipulations of the Clintons and
the media.

We have a horrific war in the
middle-east, an economy that needs
to be addressed with wisdom and
compassion.

That Clintons were obviously
speaking to a War-Contractor
rally, by the looks of the
back-drop of her speech, today.

We need a different America. The
Clintons represent the old game
of Lie and then Bait and Switch.

They will do the complete opposite
of what they say they will do, just
like they did in the 1990's.

How many times did the Clintons say they would deliver Universal Healthcare?

They took bribes from the Universal Healthcareless!

That is TRUTH AND FACT!

We WILL NOT JUST WALK AWAY!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

OMG! Will this idiot quit whining? What is he trying to say? If we don't just coronate Barack, the black people will get mad? They will anyway. Hell, they'll probably riot and loot a few TVs, who knows? Doesn't take much to set them off.

Mr. Clyburn, trying to intimidate the party into doing your bidding makes you look petty and small. Grow up, the world does not revolve around you.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

So Black Americans feel they are ENTITLED to the Democratic Primary-Presidency. What else is new? I will vote for John McCain. I am a Black-Hispanic American and I have made up my own mind.
Black Americans continue to embrace Affirmative Action as the solution to all there social ills. They think this election is a right of passage and will cure their social ills. Maybe if you put as much energy into raising our children we would not be losing our children to gangs and street violence. Maybe we should take personal responsibility instead of searching for others to cure our ills. I am one Black American who is fed up with the victim argument!

Posted by: Nelson Roman | April 25, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Race and gender has always been an issue when it comes to politics. I can't see how comments like this is going to help the process. African americans has spoken loudly how they felt about race by their voting pattern during this election. And if others does the same, they will forever be sidelined and unheard. Thoughtful politics have no color, but wishful thinkings do.

Posted by: attl | April 25, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Race and gender has always been an issue when it comes to politics. I can't see how comments like this is going to help the process. African americans has spoken loudly how they felt about race by their voting pattern during this election. And if others does the same, they will forever be sidelined and unheard. Thoughtful politics have no color, but wishful thinkings do.

Posted by: attl | April 25, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton's "color aroused comments" are no longer a surprise with many African Americans. He disgraced his wife while in office, he is a disgrace to his wife out of office. But then again she is the fool for standing by her man.

Posted by: african american political pundit | April 25, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

This is blackmail pure an simple and can damage race relations for generations to come!!!

Who hell does this guy think that he is?

I have now made up my mind for to vote or not vote for!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 25, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

He doesn't speak for "the community" but it is a rumbling nonetheless that needs to be paid attention to. If Hillary steals the nomination, do you really expect these people (who have a tendency toward voter apathy, and a history of being critical to Democratic victories) to give the party their support?

Posted by: get real | April 25, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Veiled threats from the African American community? It's a trade-off: African Americans go if Hillary wins, working class whites if Obama's on top. Which is worse?

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | April 25, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

GO HILLARY DIANE CLINTON!!!

Posted by: JakeD | April 25, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

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