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In Hoosier State, Clinton Ramps Up 'Bitter' Talk

Updated 12:35 p.m.
By Perry Bacon Jr.
INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. -- For the second straight day, Sen. Hillary Clinton blasted Sen. Barack Obama for comments he made that voters in small towns in Pennsylvania and other states were "bitter" because of the loss of job in their states.

"I was taken aback by the demeaning remarks Senator Obama made about people in small town America," Clinton told several hundred voters in a speech in a factory in Indianapolis. "Senator Obama's remarks are elitist and out of touch. They are not reflective of the values and beliefs of Americans, certainly not the Americans that I know. ... Americans who believe in the Second Amendment believe it's a matter of a constitutional right. Americans who believe in God believe it's a matter of personal faith."

"My dad grew up in a working-class family," she continued, "I grew up in a church-going family and a family that believed in the importance of living out and expressing our faith. People of faith don't cling to religion because they're bitter, people embrace faith not because they are materially poor but because they are spiritually rich."

At a private fundraiser in San Francisco on April 6, Obama explained his struggles with working class voters by saying they were frustrated with the loss of jobs under both Republican and Democratic administrations over the last two decades, saying "it's not surprising that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment."

Clinton's campaign is seizing on the remarks, seeking to win over working-class and white male voters who have become the key swing groups in this election. Both candidates will spent today in Indiana, which votes on May 6, but head back to the Keystone State on Sunday ahead of its April 22 primary. Obama could force Clinton out of the Democrat race with a win in either state.

On Friday, Clinton had only slammed the "bitter" notion, but she expanded her critique to the religion and hunting remarks on Saturday.

"People of all walks of life hunt and they enjoy doing so because it's an important part of their life, not because they are bitter," Clinton said.

Asked about Obama's remarks, Tom Hair, a undecided voter who works at a factory in Indianapolis that Clinton visited on Saturday, said he felt the comments about people from small towns were "condescending."

He noted that he and many other workers at Allison Transmission, which manufactures automatic transmissions for military vehicles, are frustrated by the influx of illegal immigrants and trade deals Hair said don't help American workers.

"You have to be realistic about it," Hair said. "There are a lot of angry people."

Les Slatinksy, who also lives in the Indianapolis and works at Allison, was sitting beside Hair and then delivered a long diatribe about the problems brought on by illegal immigration. "We've got to figure out how to keep good jobs here," he said.

"Well, that answers your question," concluded Hair.

Hari Sevugan, a spokesman for the Obama campaign, rapidly responded to Clinton's morning remarks. "We won't be lectured on being out of touch by Senator Clinton," he said in statement, "who believes lobbyists represent real people and is awash in their money and who can't tell a straight story about her lengthy record of supporting trade deals like NAFTA and China that have devastated communities in Pennsylvania and Indiana. She won't change the broken Washington system that all too often leaves American workers behind, but Barack Obama will."

By Web Politics Editor  |  April 12, 2008; 11:56 AM ET
 
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Clinton's Staff jumped on this and didn't even research the Community Obama was talking about. McCains staff followed and jumped on this also. Hasn't any of the media seen disenfranchisised people? They've followed through with this story as if Obama meant to rebuke the people of these types of rural communities. I think he only meant to make others aware of this taking place in the greatest country in the world. People who feel this way probably feel better with guns and religion at hand especially if they don't feel that there is a Govt. umbrella to protect them.

Posted by: Dean Cook | April 14, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Clinton's Staff jumped on this and didn't even research the Community Obama was talking about. McCains staff followed and jumped on this also. Hasn't any of the media seen disenfranchisised people? They've followed through with this story as if Obama meant to rebuke the people of these types of rural communities. I think he only meant to make others aware of this taking place in the greatest country in the world. People who feel this way probably feel better with guns and religion at hand especially if they don't feel that there is a Govt. umbrella to protect them.

Posted by: Dean Cook | April 14, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

In a recent Pennsylvania political ad, 3 year-old Hillary Rodham, arms extended, toddles toward the home-movie camera. Hillary's present-day voice-over explains, the Rodham family cottage, down by the lake, lacked indoor plumbing. It was hardship borne from the start. Yet, more telling events seem to fall by the wayside. Take twenty-seven year old Hillary's first real job. The upshot: Jerry Zeifman fired Hillary for unethical practices during the Watergate Investigation. Why was Hillary fired? "Because she was a liar," Zeifman said in a recent interview. "She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality."

"I have gone hunting. I am not a hunter. But I have gone hunting," says Hillary. Perhaps equally amusing, how a politician worth over $100 million-dollars, espouses small town family values. Not only does Mr. Zeifman's account go to character, it goes to a lifelong pattern of lying and obfuscation. It took Zeifman twelve years to get his story aired. After Watergate, Zeifman could not recommend Hillary for any subsequent position of public or private trust, nor furnish her with a letter of recommendation. After that, Hillary Clinton's employment record is one of strict nepotism, cronyism, and amnesia. Although few suspected the lengths to which Hillary would go, a leopard never changes her spots. Again, Hillary Clinton is a bold-faced liar, who will stop at nothing.

According to Mr. Zeifman, it's not just Hillary's dishonesty; that's a fact not in dispute. More to the point is the overall time-span, in which she has behaved in a fraudulent manner. "The Clintons corrupted the soul of the Democratic Party." -Henry Ruth, lead Watergate courtroom prosecutor. Should anyone doubt either Mr. Zeifman, or Mr. Ruth's veracity regarding the Clintons: http://theseedsof9-11.com

Posted by: Peggy McGilligan | April 13, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Do you consider Obama's remarks as "condescending" and "out of touch"?


http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=2082


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Posted by: Frank, LA | April 13, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

This multi-ethnic American is not bitter about anything. That "bitter" thingy is mostly a discipline of being indoctrinated with the "the government owes us a handout" ghetto religion. Lazy people whining about not getting more given to them.

Obama has aligned himself with those who will vote to raid our treasury for a ever declining ethnic group -- black Americans. Look out folks, here come the Hispanics and they aren't afraid to work!

As for Hillary and McCain, she's a phony and he is too old for the stress that comes with the American presidency. But at this point, my vote has changed from Obama to McCain, just on common sense issues.


Posted by: tradamerica | April 13, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

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HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR

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Posted by: . | April 13, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

HILLARY TOOK THE BAIT

today's papers are all filled with Obama expressing regret for his remarks..tho when you read what he says, it's not that, it that he could have used better words, etc.

I think they're setting up Hillary for the coup-de-grace on this one.

By suggesting that they're on the defensive, my guess is they're allowing this story to grow. Tempting Hillary to say more. Hillary has already, in my opinion, taken the bait, and repeated McCain's magic phrase: that Obama's "out of touch".

now, I suspect, after letting this story grow, the Obama campaign will counter punch big time & deliver Hillary's coup de grace.

I don't know my boxing terminology....but I think there's something (is it a feint?), where you pretend to be on the defensive, let your opponent take a swing and be left opened-up, and then you deliver the knock out punch.

OBAMA'S RESPONSE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow

Posted by: kc | April 13, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Obama reveals what those of us who were never fooled already knew.

LikeGeorge W. Bush, Obama considers the wealthy and elite his base, he only condescends to Americans who work for a living

Posted by: TRey | April 13, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Obama is just another slimey politician trying to get himself elected...between Rev. Wright and this 'bitter' remarks he is proving that. The gusy is a white-hating racist who is bitter because he will not win another delegates to gain the nomination and is going to have to put up with a dogfight at the convention. Obama's kool aide drinking supporters need to wake up and smell the coffee.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 5:14 AM | Report abuse

People must realize there is bitterness over serious education and health matters - autism is one of them.Parents struggle on a daily basis and bitterness creeps in when they cannot find the right treatment, therapy or public services for their children or when there is a refusal to fund these therapies. Take a look at the BNN report:

http://www.bloggernews.net/115099

Obama, Clinton & McCain Must Meet Families With Autism

When Autism News on Blogger News Network requested the candidates for the Presidential Elections - Senator Barack Obama, Senator Hillary Clinton who are going for the Democratic nomination and Senator John McCain the Presidential Candidate for the Republican Party to speak out on autism to mark the first ever United Nations World Autism Awareness Day declared by the UN General Assembly and held on Wednesday 2nd April 2008 - two of the three candidates responded by issuing statements - but these statements were not well publicised in the national and international media.

Although it was good to see plans for autism from the candidates we now urge Senators Obama, Clinton and McCain to show their committment to parents, carers, children and adults with autism and Asperger's Syndrome by organising meetings with families with autism - on the campaign trail. There is nothing like the connection with voters - one to one connections. Autism is a serious education and health issue in the United States. According to the CDC 1 in 150 children is on autism spectrum and numbers are rising. The next President of the United States must show his or her commitment to parents, carers and people with autism by coming up with detailed and specific plans for autism.

We now need to see the candidates meeting with children and adults with autism - public perceptions are extremely important - do they really care for children and adults with disabilities? As far as we are aware the candidates have yet to have specifically organised meetings with parents, carers, children and adults with autism and Asperger's Syndrome.

So here is the challenge to Senator Barack Obama, Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator John McCain. Will you have the courage of your convictions to speak out on autism and meet with families with autism, children and adults with autism and Asperger's Syndrome while on the campaign trail?

We urge Democrats and Republicans to bring this to the attention of all the candidates and the those driving the individual campaigns.

The campaign organisers to Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and John McCain must organise this - not behind closed doors, not just though a statement but in the full glare of the media and in front of voters. The candidates must not forget that parents, carers and people with autism and Asperger's Syndrome are voters too. Politicians ignore them at their peril.

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and the United Nations have put the issue of autism on the global stage, by declaring the historic World Autism Awareness Day. A future President of the United States going into the White House will have to take this further and come up with sweeping reforms, help and structured support and reach out to all children and adults with autism and Asperger's Syndrome in the US. A future US President must also bring hope to the hopeless in Africa and Asia where families with autism are sinking without any help or support.We must look at the issue of poverty and autism.

It woould be tremendous if a future President invites parents, carers, children and adults with autism and Asperger's Syndrome into the White House next year on 2nd April on World Autism Awareness Day 2009. Lets hope this becomes an annual event where the Commander-in-Chief will open the doors of the White House to children and adults with autism and Asperger's Syndrome. You heard it first on Blogger News Network.

Posted by: Dan | April 13, 2008 3:03 AM | Report abuse

The American People have been told for far too long, and far too often, that, next to the
Christ, they are delivered unto human history without blemish; that their basic goodness is so good, anyone who would dare point out the sin of thinking so highly of oneself would ironically be called "an elitist." Anyone who would characterize decades of an organized right-wing effort to manipulate people's fears to distract them from the fact they were being robbed blind, would be denounced as "out of touch." Any black man who would put a toe in the deep end of the white male voter's sacred view of himself as the tamer of the frontier, crosses the loose wire of rugged individualism with the fear of the "uppity n----r" who has the audacity to remind them of just who actually tamed what. Those of us "elites" who believe there's a better way - that leaders should point us in a direction to deal with our actual problems versus trumping up threats to individual freedoms -- believe Mr. Obama is telling like it is.

Posted by: tashekor | April 13, 2008 1:56 AM | Report abuse

DON'T BE DUPED !!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. With Hillary Clinton you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. "Carpe diem" (harvest the day).

I think Hillary Clinton see's a beautiful world of plenty for all. She's a woman, and a mother. And it's time America. Do this for your-selves, and your children's future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don't want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama's. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! OUT GUNNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON'T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.
The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton's have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton's. Only the Clinton's are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

"This is not a game" (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith...

Posted by: jacksmith | April 13, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

MY FELLOW BITTER, STUPID, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE.

YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT, TOO :-(

If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of BITTER!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. :-(

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)

Best regards

jacksmith...

p.s.

If you don't know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering...

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. :-)

Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don't die from. And I could go on, and on...

Posted by: jacksmith | April 13, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

HILLARY WILL BECOME THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. IT'S HER DESTINY TO BECOME ONE. EXPERT FORTUNE TELLER AND ASTROLOGERS HAVE ALREADY PREDICTED.

Posted by: joll0586 | April 12, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Tired of the Clinton Attack Machine. Take a break
Evolution of Dance (This Video link works)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMH0bHeiRNg
Obama 08!

Posted by: annie | April 12, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Bruce Springsteen-Radio Nowhere
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X...h?v=XmLt6kcZ72Q

"I always look at my work as trying to measure the distance between American promise and American reality," Springsteen says. "And I think (Obama's) inspired a lot of people with that idea: How do you make that distance shorter? How do we create a more humane society? We've lived through such ugly times that people want to have a romance with the idea of America again, and I think they need to.

"The hard realities and how things get done are important, too, but if you can effectively convince people that it's possible to make things better, they get excited."

Barack Obama 08!

Posted by: cooday | April 12, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Tired of the Clinton Attack Machine. Take a break
Evolution of Dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d...h?v=dMH0bHeiRNg

Posted by: Annie | April 12, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm suprised Hillary didn't show up in black face today and suggest that Obama was an uppity n**ger and should be lynched. But then again she practically did.

She is beyond vulgar.

Posted by: bara | April 12, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Obama's quote was made to a group of wealthy San Francisco donors in response to a question about why he was behind in the polls in Pennsylvania. The tone of his entire response is condescending and offensive--not simply the final two sentences. In Senator Obama's response--which can be heard at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-no-surprise-that-ha_b_96188.html--
he again raises the race card and suggests that the people of Pennsylvania don't respond to his message because it's brought to them by a black man. The audience begins laughing and as the laughter continues, he adds more disparaging comments about small town Americans.

Rather than taking a positive approach about his campaign strategies, Mr. Obama grouped together all people who prefer another candidate as bitter, ignorant and cynical. He played to possible biases that his wealthy San Francisco donors might have about the working class. The fact that informed voters may be making an educated decision to vote for HRC is lost on him and makes him seem arrogant and out of touch. There is no excuse for any politician to tap into stereotypes or to make disparaging statements about poor, rural, white America. Senator Obama's words were extremely divisive and do not reflect the attitude of someone who could unite our country.

Posted by: Wilson | April 12, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Okay, how in the world did the clintons and McCain manage to spin this so far out of control until it'll spill over in to the coming week(s). This is beyond crazy to me! Clinton and McCain are working together. She (at her rally in IN) had bumper stickers made up stating: "I'm Not Bitter" WHAT THE HELL!!! They (McCain/Clinton) planned this all along! She's working with the Republicans to defeat a Democrate???? I can't speak for the people in NC, IN but I know the people in PA are BITTER AS HELL about jobs, the economy and the future. Hillary/McCain can take their b/s and eat it!

PA...YES, WE'RE BITTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Faith - Scranton, PA | April 12, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

WAR. GUNS. CHURCH. AND LOOOOOOTS OF MONEY!

HILLARY '08!

Posted by: Matt | April 12, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I HEARD BILL CLINTONS SPEECH TODAY. IS BILL CLINTON SUGGESTING THAT HILLARY CLINTON IS SWITCHING HER POSITION FROM THE CHANGE CANDIDATE TO THE EXPERIENCE CANDIDATE.

Posted by: LINDA | April 12, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary can't see that people are bitter because of all the problems we have--how will she be ready to tackle those problems on day one?

Posted by: Sueb2 | April 12, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Raaaaaaa!

Posted by: Gobamican | April 12, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama was telling the truth. That's big
"no no" for politics in America. So real elitists and pretenders like Hillary and McCain will attempt to twist what he said. Let's hope that the working class people dont fall for the real phoneys this time around.

Posted by: kevin | April 12, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I am from the mid west, we are bitter! We are pissed off and tired of the promises to help out the middle class that only are important to the people in Washington when they need to get re-elected. I am bitter mad and ashamed of my country. I understand the comment Obama's pastor made, I am to the point of " not god bless but god damn America" I still see hope and I still am willing and able to fight for this overall momentum of change, but don't look me in the eye and tell me that the people in America are not bitter.

Posted by: alex yeck-petty | April 12, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Yep I knew it WAPO has deleted most of the
critical comments about that arrogant lying
eletist phony Barack Hussein Obama put down
and insulting small town Americans,and you
bet that includes some of mine as well. So
WAPO must be Barack Hussein Obama Official
Censor of Free Speech and Free Press as
well as chief newsmedia Obama shill. I bet
WAPO deletes this one the minute they see
it. Vote No To Barack Hussein Obama!

Posted by: sandylong5274 | April 12, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Keep babbling, Obama. No matter what you say, your Obamatrons will support you. But most of the country has figured it out. Already you are losing in polls to McCain. Obama could have waited just one more election cycle to run so he would have had experience. Or he could have been the VP nominee. But no. Obama will just keep stepping in his own doo doo. Why? Because somebody has convinced him that his doo doo don't smell and we all just wait for him to create more. Only 6 months left. Maybe if we just locked him in a bowling alley for a few months, he could smile and wave, make no more speeches and also improve his game.

Posted by: percy | April 12, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

What Obama is saying is that people are bitter about their economic situations. He is not saying that they have no right to be bitter. Think about it. Many people have lost jobs because companies move abroad for cheap labor and domestic industries cannot compete against cheaper goods from other countries, thanks to free trade agreements. It is more condescending to pretend that people aren't bitter. For all of you who are not bitter and yet insist on calling Obama names, who are you kidding? Are you sure you are not bitter because the media is against you during this primary campaign? Are you sure that you are not bitter because the media has consistently subjected Senator Clinton to harsher scrutiny than Senator Obama? Are you sure you are not bitter because superdelegates like Governor Richardson are not listening to your electability arguments for Hillary and are supporting Obama?

Posted by: Anthony | April 12, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

There is an interesting phenomenon going on..Cannot one be patriotic and love America, and still talk openly about its faults and the bitteness of many..especially after the disappointments of recent years...Was there something Obama said that was untrue,,or Rev. Wright for that matter..

And why do we expect politicians to never say anything controversial or that requires us to think..only little soundbites of meaningless gibberish..why do we not demand more of politicians and the media...

Posted by: Patrick | April 12, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Attacking and dividing are not code words for unite, lead and inspire.

Posted by: x32792 | April 12, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Though I think Clinton should stay in the race, she's becoming more ridiculous by the day. Someone who twice misremembered her Bosnia trip and who has been caught in various unfavorable situations looks ridiculous criticizing another candidate. Her "working-class" anger in light of her being a millionaire many times over is also laughable.

Posted by: delmore | April 12, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I guess with a hundred million bucks in her pocket Hillary can better "feel the pain" of the common people than a Black man like Obama who comes from a hardworking family.

Posted by: bodo | April 12, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

In other words, his liberal arrogance broke through his shield of armor, displaying for all to see that Barack "The magic N E G R O" is just another typical POS liberal bashing the people that make this country great. When will you union folks realize that you're sleeping with the enemy?

Posted by: Speed Racer | April 12, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama has now changed his approach to the subject and freely admits that he mis-spoke or made a mistake in his choice of words.

Since the media has not cut Hillary Clinton any slack for her comments will they now give Obama the full court press?

We will see if the double standard is applied. We will see if this story disappears in a day or two unlike those involving Clinton.

Posted by: Fred C Dobbs | April 12, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Hilary is a shameless demagogue, and a pathological liar.She would not know or recognize the truth if she could somehow give birth to it, but she is barren in that respect. She should be told by party elders to exit the race. It is clear that her objective now she realizes that she cannot win the nomination is to compromise any chance of the nominee in the general election. And she well on her way to doing just that.

Posted by: tydicea | April 12, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Barack " The Hack" Obama has stepped in some doo doo again. And some people say us typical white people in Ohio and Pennsylvania aren''t intelligent enough to understand how these comments will help us someday. Us backwards hillbillies just love our religion and guns. We hate the illegal immigrants. Again we is just typical uneducated white people that don''t understand the genius of the Hack. We is just sorry that we aren''t good enough to understand him. But we are not sorry that we are never going to vote for the Hack. That''s just the way we is in the sticks. thanks for taking the time to talk down to us Barack....we feel all warm and fuzzy. :)

Posted by: Mike Roberts | April 12, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

^^^^^^

what she said.

Posted by: Jeff | April 12, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Finally people are questioning Hillary Clinton openly! Years from now, volumes will be written about how the Clintons scammed their way to the top...and the people just sat their and took it. How much more information do people need to just shut her down? Forget about crucial missing legal files that show up years later with her finger prints on them and selective memory under oath...I'm talking about the willingness to continue to lie to get where she wants to go. She lied about the hospital story After the Bosnian lie, and will lie again BECAUSE NOTHING HAPPENS TO HER. What a joke.

Posted by: R | April 12, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Hillary once more shows why she won't be elected. A leader leads and a loser criticizes others. She hasn't said anything other than what is wrong with Obama. Why? Because her message is NOT what Americans trust or believe in, so she resorts to chiding on Obama. When Hillary "misspoke" three times to the degree of embarassment on Bosnia, Obama never said a damn word about her honesty or her 'use of words'. That's a leader who has his own direction. But loser Hillary can only pounce on Obama for any word or thought that takes courage to say, just like the vulture she is. McCain is just a dried up old thinker with old plans that have continued to run this country into the ground both in foreign affairs and the economy. His voice means nothing to the average American.

Posted by: Debra | April 12, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

This is just another example of how Clinton and McCain are typical politicians. They say what they think the voters want to hear. Obama has the courage to say the truth. Would a better word than bitter have been desparate? We here in the middle class are drowning people!!! We can't afford more platitudes. We need someone who will get Washington to help us!! And Obama didn't say that religion isn't important or that we aren't religious in good times. He said, in times like these (when we're losing our American dream) it's so much more important to us! And maybe in times like these you feel that if you own a gun, you at least have control over your family's safety. You can hunt and feed your family. Maybe in good times you'd welcome the immigrant who comes here to share the American dream. In these times, when your job has been outsourced to India or China; maybe you're concerned about immigration. Maybe you think the jobs that are still here have to go to the people who already live here. There's nothing wrong with that! It's called being human.
So who will I vote for--the two politicians who are saying "bitter!? Americans are hardworking, resilient, blah, blah, blah" Or will I vote for the one person telling us the truth "Bitter!? you bet Americans are bitter. Washington has ignored them for so long, etc., etc., etc.

Obama all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Posted by: Sueb2 | April 12, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

CNN gave Hillary Clinton a grilling for her campaign tactics distorting facts:

Read what Obama said and CNN's slamming of Clinton here:

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/04/12/hillary-gets-slapped-around-on-cnn/

And if it comes to her gaffes. She managed to create a diplomatic dust-up with Great Britain:

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/04/12/clinton-causes-first-diplomatic-irritations-and-shes-not-even-president-yet/

Posted by: old_europe | April 12, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

OB must clinging on to his anger for 20 years so, he went to Trinity United Church and listened to Reverend. Wright. Now you know why he went there and started indoctrinating his children at early age on TUCC philosophy of hate and racism.

He defends the statement last night when that didn't fly, he comes out and says he could chosen better words. It is same as his speech about Wright. Doesn't the belief remains the same even if you choose better words to say the same thing.

For once and for all, this is proof, what OB says in public forum and to his rich friends privately are different things. What should the public believe? His prepared speeches in public or his real belief in private. You decide!


Posted by: Cerbral | April 12, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Hillary WASN'T LYING! Bosnia gunfire footage discovered

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHVEDq6RVXc

Posted by: Chuck | April 12, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Shipwash, there is one restroom in the White House Hillary doesn't know about. Monica will have to tell her where it is when she gets that 3:00 AM call for Bill. It is terrible to even have to talk this way about our leaders based on their history. You would think they would be too ashamed to even show their faces, yet go about like all this terrible stuff is about someone else. For that reason more than anything we need Change we can Believe in.

Posted by: Fareed | April 12, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama replied to the "Bitter" comment that went over the heads of Hillary and McCain in saying "I didn't say it as well as I should have". When Hillary and McCain are reading the same book "President for Dummies" I'm not sure there is anything Obama could say that they could relate to at this stage of the race. Hillary's camp is desperate and McCain's is scared. All the Posts I read from "people from small towns" defended Obama's comments if not agreeing with them. Whole Manufacturing Industries lost overseas, Illegal War in Iraq draining Blood and Treasure without end, 20M Illegal Immigrants who benefit their employers at our expense, $4.00 Gas, Sub prime Gate, it would be reasonable to conclude some may be Bitter about the complicity of our government for these assaults on Americans. These things are not normal and Hillary and McCain don't see any problem and define Obama as being out of touch for addressing these critical issues. Wherein; it appears the only comfort people have is from within themselves and their values to sustain their sanity. All Hillary sees is smiling faces as she travels, and all McCain sees is dyslectic teleprompter s when he is speaking. Billary made $109M in the last 7 years. Not bad for a girl who flunked the D.C. Bar Exam and kept it secret for 30 years and a Disbarred serial sex offender. McCain, after a whirlwind affair married $$ Cindy$$ a month after getting his divorce from his wife Carol of 20 years. Don't get me wrong for one minute I like both Hillary and McCain but not as President. We only need to look at Bush and Bill who also are OK. I guess that is why we have choices, and thank G,d for that. Obama 08 an elite (Good)leader for an elite position.

Posted by: Fareed | April 12, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Hari Sevugan: "She won't change the broken Washington system that all too often leaves American workers behind, but Barack Obama will." How in the hell is he going to fix Washington? G. Bush said the identical thing!! How do you fix it if everyone else in it are the same people???? Get real!!! HOPE HOPE HOPE!!!

Posted by: kt | April 12, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

People seem to be overlooking that Obama's remarks were in response to a question as to why he thought certain groups of people were not supporting him. His answer, in essence, is that "they" are bitter, xenophobic, bigots. Further, he gave those who might feel bitter an excuse and a justification for turning to xenophibia, to guns, to religion presumably of the incendiary, liberation-separatist kind. Such remarks just encourage, by justifying, discord, violence, and irrational hate (ie., the transference that Obama blesses--transfering bitterness about a lost job to hatred and feelings of victimhood.)

Posted by: D.Mayo | April 12, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Lets apply some simple logic here. Obama said that angry bitter people cling to guns and religion.

Obama also said he is a religious man, a devote member of his church.

So, Barack Obama must be an angry, bitter gun owning, church go'er!

Or, he could be just out of touch with normal Americans!

Posted by: Heather | April 12, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

SO, Obama has finally admitted to doing something wrong. This coming out of the mouth of THE SAVIOR is blasphemy. Everything that spews from Obama's mouth is garbage, and I pity the people who have fallen prey to this rhetoric, for if he is elected president, they will see what a pompous ass he really is.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 12, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

So people turn to religion because the government is not there to help them?

So, United States SENATOR Barack Obama attends church why? I assume it is becuase the government is not there to help him?

So if people cling to guns and religion because they do not think the government is going to help them, what then happens when President Obama has the government help them?

Do we overturn the right to bare arms and then suddenly everyone becomes an athiest?

Posted by: Heather | April 12, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

It's our own fault for crowning Obama, before really knowing anything about this city boy. Guns? Religion? Bitter? Obviously this guy has never got his own hands into the process of putting food on the table. I want to like him, but increasingly I get the feeling that if he couldn't talk, he couldn't figure out how to feed himself, let alone his family. In fact, most of you reading this fall into that category.

Posted by: tradamerica | April 12, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Is is fine to criticize one another for silly remarks. But what about legislating? I saw an interesting article on the problems being faced by both Clinton and Obama, and their backers like Bayh in the Senate:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sunil-chacko/a-potential-vice-presiden_b_95515.html

Posted by: Frank Thomas | April 12, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

If elected, Hillary will know where all of the restrooms in the White House are on day one. Other than that, Obama has the advantage. Hillary continues her negative campaign because that is all she can do. Obama's leadership skills outweigh Hillary's "experience" by far.

Posted by: Ed Shipwash | April 12, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey, it's all semantics, and we should be insulted that people who expect to become our leaders think we can be manipulated by spinning words. I'm proud to be bitter! Resilient, Clinton says... complacent, I say... no way. Let em eat lemons, McCain says? Let's elect a leader who wants to make lemons into lemonade.

http://www.bittervoters.org

Posted by: ProudToBeBitter | April 12, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a pied piper. Noone knows who he is, he has no experience or record to judge by. The young and inept project their wishes and desires onto him and he fosters that flaw in human nature with his holier than thou attitude. But the true Obama is starting to be revealed. And it is becoming more and more apparent that he is just another elitist with no clue about true american values.

Posted by: reason | April 12, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I've "Stuck to my guns' all my life. It's a old expression meaning "Hang in there." I'll continue to "Stick (cling) to my guns" against John McCain's eligibility to run for president in violation of the 14th Amendment.

I shouldn't think any white collar Yankee would understand the Charm of Blue collar Language.

Posted by: Donaldd | April 12, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Her arguments are so ridiculous that even CNN on the Situation room slapped her around:

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/04/12/hillary-gets-slapped-around-on-cnn/

and what about her blunders, she managed her first diplomatic irritation and she's not even a candidate, let alone President.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/olympics/article3723291.ece

Posted by: old_europe | April 12, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

This is what Hillary Clinton reminds me of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h3G-lMZxjo


Obama 08

"No Army can stop an idea whose time has come" - Victor Hugo

Posted by: JSmith | April 12, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't Hillary accept reality? Oh, that's right, because she's more "in touch" than Obama. Uh, huh. Then why does she continue to reinforce the notion that Americans are so stupid to think that Obama was name-calling and making condescending remarks, when in Reality-Land, Obama was explaining why--after 25 years of broken promises--Americans are bitter and angry about Washington.

It's time for Clinton to step aside not only for the good of the Party, but for the good of America. If she really loves this country, she'll drop out of the race.

http://www.cafepress.com/wetnoodle

Posted by: wetnoodle | April 12, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Clinton is a dead horse, desperately trying to do anything she can to convince voters she is not an arrogant lying witch. but it's the truth, and she is a loser.

Posted by: jeffp | April 12, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

This will blow on Hillary Clinton's face. Obama has become a thunderbolt, that is striking America right now. He has shaken up the politics and how it is done here in America.

Politicians for ages have given us sugar coated view of the world like we are kids. And then comes Obama. A revolution has been sparked.

"No Army can stop an idea whose time has come" - Victor Hugo

Obama 08.

Posted by: JSmith | April 12, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

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