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McCain Calls Obama's Comments 'Elitist'


Sen. John McCain holds up a box of Dunkin' Donuts presented to him by Associated Press political reporter Liz Sidoti before a question and answer session at the Associated Press Annual Meeting in Washington, April 14, 2008. (Associated Press)

Michael D. Shear
Sen. John McCain said Sen. Barack Obama's comments about "bitter" Americans suffering economic distress were "elitist" and he called them a "contradiction from what I believe America is all about."

Asked whether Obama himself is elitist, McCain said he did not know him well enough to know. But he criticized Obama for what he said were demeaning remarks about a section of the electorate.

"These are the people that produced a generation that made the world safe for democracy," he said. "These are the people that have fundamental cultural, spiritual, and other values that in my view have very little to do with their economic condition."

McCain made the comments during questioning by reporters at a newspaper conference in Washington, D.C. In a speech earlier, he took issue with Obama's observations, noting that the crisis of the Great Depression had not shaken the faith of people in small towns, rural
communities and inner cities.

McCain said he was responding to Obama's comments about "the psychology and political mindset" of Americans living in economically stressed places. Speaking at a San Francisco fundraiser last week, Obama said that "It's not surprising that they get bitter." Obama then
told donors "They cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment."

The Depression, McCain said, did not destroy "their confidence that America and their own lives could be made better. Nor did they turn to their religious faith and cultural traditions out of resentment and a feeling of powerlessness to affect the course of government or pursue prosperity."

Instead, he said, "their faith, their faith, had given generations of their families purpose and meaning, as it does today. And their appreciation of traditions like hunting was based in nothing, nothing, other than their contribution to the enjoyment of life."

McCain spoke a few hours before Obama was scheduled to address the same meeting, organized by the Associated Press.

McCain also pledged to continue his practice of engaging openly with the press and said he had narrowly decided to vote in favor of a "shield law" that would protect journalists from being forced to reveal their sources.

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Posted by: Kimmen | April 23, 2008 4:57 AM | Report abuse

ELITIST... the new buzz word!

Let me say it out LOUD... GWB has provided the American People with an ELITIST Government for "EIGHT" Years!

The American People have experienced an ELITIST Mentality... and knows one when they see it!

Stop trying to undermine the American People... not all of us are incapable of thinking for ourselves!

Originality Should be an criteria for the next President... McCaine and Hillary are the blind leading the blind!

"Who's on First?"

Posted by: puddlescited | April 16, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

This is the best and most accurate post in this entire cesspool:

"The USA is truly a country of morons"

We really are stupid.

Posted by: Chris | April 15, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

At least 60 people died in Iraq today if anyone cares.

Obama was spot on with his comments, and the Right-Wing reaction only reinforces that. Though I'm not poor and I don't live in a small town, I'm perfectly able to admit that I'm bitter - just at 81% of my fellow Americans are. And I hope sometime soon small-town Pennsylvanians can be honest with themselves.

Posted by: Chris | April 15, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I've noticed by listening to talk radio and reading the blogs that people are overwhelmingly in Baracks corner when it comes to his comment about Pennsylvania. As hard as the media has tried to play this up and then declare Obama as unelectable it seems to be backfiring on them, instead showing them to be extremely biased in Hillary's favor. It seems anytime she wants them to attack Obama for any of her constructed issues, they happily oblige. It very sad our major media outlets put forth a concerted effort to quash dissenting opinions to their own preferred candidates. When this election cycle is over, not only Hillary, but the media will be viewed unfavorably as well.

Posted by: Mike mcNally | April 15, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone but an out-of-touch elitist think that folks in the heartland might be a tad bitter about the economy? Here's another example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_vN0--mHug

Posted by: crspratt | April 15, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

SIMPLE:

Will GOP commit to GAS not hitting $6 a GALLON?

Will GOP commit to MILK not hitting $5 a GALLON?

Will GOP commit to STOP RELEASING BIN LADEN's TAPES?

Will GOP commit to STOP Showing FOX Terror LEVELS?

Will GOP commit to STOP abusing "CIVIL RIGHTS"?

Its all Evangelicals who made our life miserable.

Posted by: kk | April 15, 2008 4:55 AM | Report abuse

Saddest thing about this controversy.."loss of jobs for last 25 years and nothing to replace them" does anyone care to talk about that...no we want you stay angry with Obama forget your damn job... defend the second amendment. Then well do the same to next high minded liberal 8 years from now...

Now thats the true opiate for the masses.

Posted by: case | April 15, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Hillary or Obama; I'll vote for either of them in November. No more RepubliCON boolsheet. It's time the straight-talk express left the station for good.

Posted by: Michael | April 14, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

To put it simply, John McCain is no better, OR worse than any president we've had in the last 50 years, with the exception of George "Dubya" Bush who is the WORST president in the history of our nation....bar none!
And like ALL politicians, lying and stealing are as natural to them as breathing!
America has no REAL chance of getting a 'good' president, because there are no 'good candidates!!

Posted by: Little Mose | April 14, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

NEW SCANDAL -- LOOK HOW RUTHLESS HILLARY CLINTON OBTAINED HER FIRST ELECTIVE OFFICE:
http://tinyurl.com/2zwwte

Posted by: Fred | April 14, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

THIS REALLY MAKES HILLARY LOOK BAD:
http://tinyurl.com/528yrl

Posted by: Fred | April 14, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA SUPPORTER (STATE SENATOR) CANNOT NAME ONE OBAMA ACCOMPLISHMENT (VIDEO)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZTo0iGc_Dw

Posted by: Fred | April 14, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Mason: I have about two seconds to reply.

M: "But you did, and then you ran right out onto that slippery slope."

Me: Your statement was extreme. If you don't take responsibility for that, you open yourself to legitimate criticism in that regard. You need to qualify your statement next time. There was nothing intellectually dishonest in what I did given your extreme position, particularly because my point was made if you had qualified your statement even a little.

M: "I dunno? Taking care of the people that are ACTUALLY HERE!!! Allowing them to work, educating them, providing affordable health care?"

You cannot even defend Obama's remarks without making a value judgment. A prolifer will tell you that a "pre-born chld" is just as much here as you or I.

M: "My god... He was asked why these people aren't voting for him and he answered it. That's what this is: an answer to a direct question. What's he supposed to say? "Gee I don't know. They're just not buying what I'm selling?" That's really ingratiating to a donor. It's less a judgement than a statment of fact. There's no:"... and that's a bad thing," or "...and they're bad/dumb for doing so." I think they're fools, but I don't think BHO shares my pessimistic view on the electorate. If he did, he wouldn't bother trying to reach out to them."

I will grant you that he needed to answer the question. But he did so by making a value judgment, and awkwardly at that, which insulted precisely the people he needs to attract.

Posted by: canobamawin | April 14, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

HOW OBAMA HAS USED GEORGE BUSH/KARL ROVE TACTICS TO OBTAIN OVER $62,000,000 FOR HIS CAMPAIGN, SO FAR!:
The Washington Post -- April 11,2008 -- Obama gets plenty of money from big donors too: "Sen. Barack Obama credits his presidential campaign with creating a 'parallel public financing system' built on a wave of modest donations from homemakers and high school teachers. ... But those with wealth and power also have played a critical role in creating Obama's record-breaking fundraising machine, and their generosity has earned them a prominent voice in shaping his campaign. Seventy-nine 'bundlers,' five of them billionaires, have tapped their personal networks to raise at least $200,000 each. ... Donors who have given more than $200 account for about half of Obama's total haul, which stands at nearly $240 million. ... The bundler list also sheds light on those who might seek to influence an Obama White House. They have helped the campaign recruit more than 27,000 donors to write checks for $2,300, the maximum allowed. Donors who have given more than $200 account for about half of Obama's total haul, which stands at nearly $240 million. The use of bundlers was perfected by George W. Bush, who in 2000 and 2004 set some fundraising records that Obama has shattered.
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Posted by: Fred | April 14, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Old Grumps and Hillary are in close harmony.

Republicans are again trying to pin the "elitist" label on Democrats and Hillary insists that she is the only one who can lift the Party above those failures by Gore and Kerry.

Posted by: FirstMouse | April 14, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." FULL speech here...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-exclusive-audio-on_b_96333.html (33:20-36:07 for further context)
The meaning.......The wedge issues typically used by Republicans in past election cycles (Guns, Religion, Gays, Immigration), is how and why many small town voters eventually express their frustration with government. The list he provides, "Guns or religion, anti-immigrant sentiment, anti trade sentiment" are VOTING habits. Meaning they become the ISSUES that people vote for instead of the more inclusive and frankly more important issues. Do not mistake this statement to mean I don't think "wedge" issues are not important. On the contrary they most certaintly are. But are they the ONLY reason a voter should vote or choose a candidate? The translation is that after sooo much apathy, mistrust of government, a feeling that government doesn't speak to them, cannot help them, sadly all too often all that is left are these wedge issues. The sentiment is that they have, in many respects given up on effectiveness of government with the other important policies (Jobs, Healthcare etc) and then become easier to sway with those wedge issues. Katrina is yet another example of how many people have become jaded with government. After all where were they when they were needed? Wedge issues are simply platforms. Abortion...pro-life, pro-choice...yes or no. Gay marriages...yes or no? Guns, more freedom to own and less regulation to do so....or more regulation and less access to some guns....yes or no. They are "Thumbs up or thumbs down" type policies. After the apathy Obama describes settles in, he accurately points out that in many instances these wedge issues seem more "realistic," more upfront, more of a reason to choose a candidate. After all, why not choose a candidate in this fashion given that the rest of the issues are seemingly a pipe dream to solve? One only has to look at this current nomination process to see evidence of that. Gender and Race, gender and race. Sound bites, quotes out of context, binding the words of surrogates to the candidates they represent. The bitterness he describes is real. Our government is broken, people are disillusioned, cynical, and quite frankly sick of the status quo. Real change seems to be the catch phrase resonating with voters, even McCain and Romney had the gall to include "change" in their stump speeches and placards. Obama rightly points out that the other real issues, have in too many instances, been abandoned out of apathy and cynicism and what is often left are the wedge issues. The irony is that with enough focus on this quotation we are actually doing exactly as he describes in the quote. With our focus on the parsing of words we actually instill the type of apathy and knee-jerk wedge issue voting he characterizes. We become what he describes, after all doesn't the debate over a paragraph without its context become simply a wedge issue bumper sticker? Sorry if Obama's message isn't well received. Sorry if the truth he speaks, without the much needed context, leaves a bad taste in your mouth. God forbid.....and speaking of God, lets get back to religion, gender, race, guns, and gays. Its sooo much easier than having to think, apply context or dare I say it, actually find the intended meaning.
http://www.philly.com/philly/polls/17657034.html?submit=Vote&17657034=Y&oid=2&mr=1&cid=8500281&pid=17657034 Not too surprising is that PA voters actually get the context.

Posted by: feastorafamine | April 14, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

John McCain calling some one elitist? Who married into a multi-millionaire family so they could pay his campaign expenses? We People who are struggling between the choice we have to make of putting gasoline in our automobiles and buying food at the $ Store are bitter. McCain and Clinton just continue to be confused. McCain and Hillary appartently didn't hear the truck drivers protesting outside Congress. They were there because they are bitter that a do-nothing senator, who does not know if he is a Republican or Democrat, and Sen. Hillary, who used to be a Republican, until she thought Bill Clinton could help her reach her goal for power and fame became a democrat. You heard nothing about the Truck Drivers protest from these two because they are out of touch!!! Neither will get my vote, they are two peas in a pod.

Posted by: Juanote | April 14, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not an elitist. HE JUST HAPPENED TO BE WITH A SMALL GROUP OF SUPERIOR PEOPLE DISCUSSING HOW THEY WERE GOING TO RULE THE ANGRY BITTER PEASANTS.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

So what? Who cares what McCain thinks? The man is a two-faced old rat bastard, and is dying before our eyes.

Posted by: jeffp | April 14, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

None issue as all of them are elitists.

Posted by: John C. Page III | April 14, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Where did he disparage middle America as gun-toting, church-clinging, mexican-hating hicks? At an off-the-record gathering of rich contributors in San Fran. He thought it was safe to speak frankly about the unwashed masses to his fellow elites.

Too rich. Even Barack's army of media supporters can't save him this time.

Posted by: HuckFinn | April 14, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." FULL speech here...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-exclusive-audio-on_b_96333.html (33:20-36:07 for further context)
The meaning.......The wedge issues typically used by Republicans in past election cycles (Guns, Religion, Gays, Immigration), is how and why many small town voters eventually express their frustration with government. The list he provides, "Guns or religion, anti-immigrant sentiment, anti trade sentiment" are VOTING habits. Meaning they become the ISSUES that people vote for instead of the more inclusive and frankly more important issues. The translation is that after sooo much apathy, mistrust of government, a feeling that government doesn't speak to them, cannot help them, sadly all too often all that is left are these wedge issues. The sentiment is that they have, in many respects given up on effectiveness of government with the important policies (Jobs, Healthcare etc) and then become easier to sway with those wedge issues. Katrina is yet another example of how many people have become jaded with government. After all where were they when they were needed? Wedge issues are simply platforms. Abortion...pro-life, pro-choice...yes or no. Gay marriages...yes or no? Guns, more freedom to own and less regulation to do so....or more regulation and less access to some guns....yes or no. They are "Thumbs up or thumbs down" type policies. After the apathy Obama describes settles in, he accurately points out that in many instances these wedge issues seem more "realistic," more upfront, more of a reason to choose a candidate. After all, why not choose a candidate in this fashion given that the rest of the issues are seemingly a pipe dream? One only has to look at this current nomination process to see evidence of that. Gender and Race, gender and race. Sound bites, quotes out of context, binding the words of surrogates to the candidates they represent. The bitterness he describes is real. Our government is broken, people are disillusioned, cynical, and quite frankly sick of the status quo. Real change seems to be the catch phrase resonating with voters, even McCain and Romney had the gall to include "change" in their stump speeches and placards. Obama rightly points out that the real issues, have in too many instances, been abandoned out of apathy and cynicism and what is often left are the wedge issues. The irony is that with enough focus on this quotation we are actually doing exactly as he describes in the quote. With our focus on the parsing of words we actually instill the type of apathy and knee-jerk wedge issue voting he characterizes. We become what he describes, after all doesn't the debate over a paragraph without its context become simply a wedge issue bumper sticker? Sorry if Obama's message isn't well received. Sorry if the truth he speaks, without the much needed context, leaves a bad taste in your mouth. God forbid.....and speaking of God, lets get back to religion, gender, race, guns, and gays. Its sooo much easier than having to think, apply context or dare I say it, actually find the intended meaning.
http://www.philly.com/philly/polls/17657034.html?submit=Vote&17657034=Y&oid=2&mr=1&cid=8500281&pid=17657034 Not too surprising is that PA voters actually get the context.

Posted by: feastorafamine | April 14, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Typical "Snob-ama", makes a mistake and then blames someone else (Hillary and/or McCain). Then, even worse, goes on the attack of the other Democrat in the race for calling him on his own elitism. Let me see, it was just last night that he condemned Hillary for attacking him, wasn't it? What a two-faced hypocrite and used her words too, "shame on you". Also folks, let us not forget folks where Obama's money is coming from, in his battle for President. His money trail now reveals that he received nearly half of all the millions collected thus far, from big donors. That would be nearly $115,000,000.00 million dollars of the more than $230 million dollars thus far. Not to mention the fact that Obama reported that his money came from all small donor supporters. Instead, it seems, the money is funneling in from filthy rich big name/big money raisers and thousands of top dollar contributors at $2300.00 dollars each/maximum allowed by law, contributor. I knew he didn't have a larger, or even as large of a grassroots organization, as Hillary. His bid for the Whitehouse is being bought and paid for just like Bush by the elitist. I thought Obama was supposed to be different? Of course, there are also the fundraisers on the web that represent the far left, (Huffington Post, Move-On, etc.) who are also collecting for him from their membership (2 Million plus members) for Obama. I used to support Move-On on some of their causes until they endorsed Obama. I know they are raising money for him because they continue to send me e-mails for donations for Obama. Wake-up America, you are being hoodwinked and now being called names as he looks down his nose at "US", by this arrogant and elitist jerk trying to buy his way into the Whitehouse! It is not too late to stop him if the rest of "US" left to vote do so for Hillary. Hillary cares about "US and will restore our greatness at home and abroad. Go PA, bring her on to the rest of "US" by a landslide.

Posted by: Mary O'Bryan | April 14, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I myself, am from "Small Town" America. ( a very small town in Middle Tennessee AND very conservative). I am a white full time working mom of four with a husband of 25 years who works 7 days a week. Our town lost its largest manufacturing company about 3 years ago along with approximately 2000 jobs. Our town has still not bounced back. I love my family, my faith, maybe not guns! But I AM BITTER, AND I am NOT offended by Senator Obama's remarks. If the MEDIA would shut up about it and just let the REAL Elitists, Hillary and McCain, run their mouths about it, then it will just go away. You people are the ones acting like we are stupid! We can think for ourselves, and we would have never thought anything about his words had it not been for you showing his opponents blowing it out of proportion just for their own agenda. It is laughable that these 2 and some of the "wealthier than us Small Town America citizens" Political Analysts and the political anchors try to put words and thoughts into OUR mouths that would not have been there! Hillary is just trying to make Senator Obama lose to McCain so she can run against McCain in four years, anyway! Otherwise, she wouldn't be so "mean" against someone in her own party!!!

Posted by: Tammy | April 14, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I am very confident that the independent voters are seeing what's going on of our country and the economy. They also know better that we need someone who have proven results and experience. I believe that they know and have known who have done something for our economy duirng their administration. We vote for our country and not for individual desires. These independent voters know that. I love my country and they do too. For me, we need someone now that does have the experience to lead our country. Our country's economy is not doing well and we will not allow our country to sink. I don't think we need a republican president but either. This is our country and it is our duty to protect it from harm. We the voters will do everything we can to put back our country where it should be. Our voices will be heard because it is stronger and louder than money talk. Our votes are not for sale. Our votes are for the best and qualified candidate who will really care and will protect our country. Whatever is going to happen to our country, it is us the people who are going to suffer. We will vote.......our new US President. Viva America! Viva American People! Viva Hillary!

Posted by: Lianette | April 14, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

To the annon @ 6:37.

Nope. You don't get it, (Yet).

There wasn't any implication that bitterness leads to conseravtive votes on wedge issues directly.

What there was was an implication that bitterness can narrow the view of the political landscape because it causes voters to ignore ceratin issues out of hand. This leads to a rise of single or doulble issue voters who will often vote against their self intrest in other matters.

It's not classist - it's populist. Unity and populism don't necessarily contradict.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: canobamawin | April 14, 2008 5:26 PM

Terrific post. Not because of the Hitler reference, which is too often bandied about on blogs, but because it gets to the crux of the matter.

Obama's statement is divisive because it tries to put a value on a persons reason for voting. Person "A" is bitter because they vote for reason "Y". Whereas person "B" is altruistic because they vote for reason "X". It's the worst kind of class/cultural warfare, and this from the candidate that is preaching unity.

Posted by: | April 14, 2008 6:37 PM

Posted by: FH | April 14, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Cheers, Cab! Have a good (local time of day).

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

canobamawin:"My point was not to compare you to Hitler-voting Germans (who probably didn't know all that they were voting for to being), but to draw out the limits of your "economics trumps all" statement."

But you did, and then you ran right out onto that slippery slope.

canobamawin:
"If you believe that the government is sanctioning killing by sanctioning abortion, what is more critical than voting on the issue of abortion? Why couldn't you say that abortion is the main issue and economics is a "wedge issue" for these people?"

I dunno? Taking care of the people that are ACTUALLY HERE!!! Allowing them to work, educating them, providing affordable health care?

canobamawin:"See above. I did read the whole comment. Obama is explaining what he sees as a problem and what he expects his audience will as well. He absolutely is making a judgment. Now do you get it?"

My god... He was asked why these people aren't voting for him and he answered it. That's what this is: an answer to a direct question. What's he supposed to say? "Gee I don't know. They're just not buying what I'm selling?" That's really ingratiating to a donor. It's less a judgement than a statment of fact. There's no:"... and that's a bad thing," or "...and they're bad/dumb for doing so." I think they're fools, but I don't think BHO shares my pessimistic view on the electorate. If he did, he wouldn't bother trying to reach out to them.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: canobamawin | April 14, 2008 5:26 PM

Terrific post. Not because of the Hitler reference, which is too often bandied about on blogs, but because it gets to the crux of the matter.

Obama's statement is divisive because it tries to put a value on a persons reason for voting. Person "A" is bitter because they vote for reason "Y". Whereas person "B" is altruistic because they vote for reason "X". It's the worst kind of class/cultural warfare, and this from the candidate that is preaching unity.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

canobamawin.....
WOW shocking that somebody with a elvel head actually posts here. Kuddos! I can certaintly see why people without context could think Obama was saying people only vote for the wedge issues because of bitterness. And in turn would feel insulted that those wedge issues are not imprtant etc.. the context needed is that he was saying that people often marginalize their voting habits to wedge issues because of a general feeling of apathy with regrqads to the other issues (That they feel are never addressed or insurmountable)Their views arent formed from bitterness but their voting habvits may reflect it. I enjoyed our discussion as well. Its nice not to have a snot slinging contest under the guise of discourse.

Posted by: feastorafamine | April 14, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Mason and Feastorfamine: It's too bad I often read your initial response to one of my posts after you posted again, so I miss the nuances. I suppose that is the downside to an internet conversation.

I thank you both for your kindness and patience. I enjoyed discussing this with you. I have better understanding of Obama's point now, though I still think what he did was counterproductive top his cause, and not just because it was awkwardly phrased.

Posted by: canobamawin | April 14, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Harried, I give credit where credit is due, and I Bite when ANYONE gives me a reason.

Some things Bushie has done, I support(ed). There are many things that he has done, and NOT Done, that cause me to see Red!

Truth, the Dim Led Congress and their insipid 300 Congressional Over-sight Reviews in the first Hundred Days, was Soooooooo much worse for this Country, than all of Chimpy's Gaffes Combined. The First two Years of Daschlle's Garbage was also very distracting and un-Wanted.

To disrupt Government is not what anyone should be trying to do!

Carter, (Jimminey), will ALWAYS be the WORST, because no matter what Bushie does;

Cahter will just come along and go talk to Hamas and keep raising the Bar! :-(

McRomney-SAVE US! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | April 14, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Feastorfamine: I re-read your post. I will take it one at a time so you understand, because you really mischaracterized my position.

"Obama was saying ...that people often are reduced to wedge issues because of the apathy they feel about other issues."

This minimizes the importance of wedge issues. That's insulting to many of the same people he was apparently trying to appeal to in Rust Belt small towns. Now do you get it?

"He did not imply that they ONLY vote pro-life because of frustration. They are pro-life no matter what. What he asserts is that all too often in sad fashion some folks become so cynical about the lack of effectiveness of goverment that they will end up EXCLUDING the other issues when it comes time to voting."

If you believe that the government is sanctioning killing by sanctioning abortion, what is more critical than voting on the issue of abortion? Why couldn't you say that abortion is the main issue and economics is a "wedge issue" for these people?


"Its not a judgement on their voting choices its an observation of voting habits combined with a perception of cynacism with regards to the effectiveness of goverment."

See above. I did read the whole comment. Obama is explaining what he sees as a problem and what he expects his audience will as well. He absolutely is making a judgment. Now do you get it?

Posted by: canobamawin | April 14, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Anyone out there that even entertains the notion that these comment boards are here for more than "READER PACIFICATION" is nuts!
Skip the LOGIC 101 and go directly to ADVANCED JERRY SPRINGER garbage flinging!!!

YADDA YADDA YADDA!!!!

Posted by: harried | April 14, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

There is an old addage---A dying man and in this case also a woman will clutch at a straw.
HRC knows that she cannot win so they are parsing , analysing and spinng every sentance that Obamm utters.
Contex Contex contex. I read the whole comment. What he said was Rual America including small towns in PA and Ohio has seen their good jobs in the steel mills and plants go overseas. And they are bitter because they feel that they have been left behind and no one is speaking for them.
What the hell is wrong with that?
It is the truth. I was in Detroit recently, huge apartment complexes are boarded up. In Flint, Gary, Pittsburg you see the same thing. I listen to talk radio and the CSPAN call in programs I hear the comments coming from the "Working Class Blue Collar Workers" You get a steday dose of it it on WMAL all day long. Hennedy, Limbaugh, Levin Mike Gallager, Chris Plante, O'Rielly, Lou Dobbs. If you listen you wil hear it too.
OBAMA Elitist? How can a black man in America be Elitist?
Thats Laughable
This is an blatant attenpt by the media and others to derail Obama.
First there was Michelle Obama not being PROUD of her Country. When that did not fly then there was Jerimiah Wright. I bet most of the readers had never heard of Rev. Wright until the spot was aired. 30 Years of Ministry ?
Rev. Wright is being catigated more than the Catholic Church who
remained silent while all those
fag preists were molesting all those young boys. The Catholic Church has paid out over TWO Billion Dollars in settlements.
Some Parishes in Boston, Chicago and LA had to close because they ran out of money. Where was the media in castigating the Catholic Church. Did they suggest that the Kennedys and Chris Dodd and Georgetown coach John Thompson leave the Catholic Church?
If you go and read Dr. Martin Luther King's Speech at the Riverside Church in New York the year before he was killed you would hear basically the same sentiments.
The last time I checked they building a monument to King on the Mall.
Now this flap over " Bitter and Guns and Religion" Obama is right -Hillary should know better.
MCCain dont want to be left out is just pilling on to kep his name in the news.
It will be a shock to all of you when Obama wins PA and North Carolina and put this race to rest.
Ding Dong the which is dead.

Posted by: Carprin | April 14, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: canobamawin
First, I rephrased my initial question. It was poorly worded and I understand your point about it. Take a look at the rephrased question (immediately above your last post to me). Second, you did not address my second question. Someone named Mason did. I'm not sure whether you and Mason are the same person, but Mason's response to my second question is downright scary. If you are not the same person, I hope you'll agree with me. If you are the same person or you agree that economics trumps all other issues, you can see my most recent response to Mason.
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Not the same person moss def. I really like the fact you point out the partisianship later on in your posts. Glad to see that fairplay is alive and well even if we disagree. I guess the generalization you think is being made is what i beleive to be a misunderstanding on your part. People do not FORM their opnions on wedge issues like abortion immigration etc because of bitterness or a lack of faith in goverment. But their voting patterns might be an indication of such. What Obama is saying is that often voters become so cynical about the effectiveness of goverment that they will merely vote for those wedge issues above all other issues. Meaning that their lack of faith with regards to all the other issues leaves them merely voting for the wedge issues. It does NOT mean they FORMED those beleifs out of bitterness but may be voting out of frustration. They were pro-life before they voted and will be afterwards. The point he makes is more and more people are feeling unhappy with the ability of goverment to address other isses so people are often reuduced to voting ONLY because of the wedge issues. Get it? Its not how the opinions on policy are fomred but how they are shown through the behaviour of voting patterns.

Posted by: feastorafamine | April 14, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Mason: I have seen Godwin's law operate as well. But I ask, didn't the statement I was responding to really open the door? My point was not to compare you to Hitler-voting Germans (who probably didn't know all that they were voting for to being), but to draw out the limits of your "economics trumps all" statement. What are the limits? And if you have any, I think my original point is made.

Posted by: canobamawin | April 14, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Hey RAT,

When did you stop bending over for Bush?

As I recall in your first RAT incarnation you all but licked his scphinter sweat!

Posted by: harried | April 14, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Oh eff me... Sorry, canobamawin, my bad. Put it in the wrong place.

I was referring to the very limited case of reactionary types blaming subsets of the population for problems that are really beyond the subset's control.

Hitler:Blaming Jews for Hyperinflation::Tom Tancredo:Blaming immigrant mexicans for job losses.

Just as it wasn't the Jews, it was the Treaty of Versaillie, so it's not the mexicans, it's... well, we haven't figured that one out yet. Nafta? China? Unions? Health Care Costs?

We'll get back to you on that one...

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

I was referring to the very limited case of reactionary types blaming subsets of the population for problems that are really beyond the subset's control.

Hitler:Blaming Jews for Hyperinflation::Tom Tancredo:Blaming immigrant mexicans for job losses.

Just as it wasn't the Jews, it was the Treaty of Versaillie, so it's not the mexicans, it's... well, we haven't figured that one out yet. Nafta? China? Unions? Health Care Costs?

We'll get back to you on that one...

Posted by: canobamawin | April 14, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

While we are on ID Issues, Canabamawin-

Are you the Aussie that was at the Y!A Forum?

Inquiring Minds want to know?

Posted by: RAT-The | April 14, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Godwin's Law: "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

Your particular Reducto ad Hitlerum had a guilt by association or slippery slope flavor to it.

Cheers.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

OK Mason, I see you responded to my reply to Feastorfamine. "His Jew blame is closer to GOP tactics than anything BHO or I hav said." That's a generalization as well. Don't Dems blame Reps for everything, and vice versa? Doesn't each side demonize the other and suggest that voting for this policy will mean the end for you? I can back this comment up with plenty of evidence from either side. Dems just don't like it when it works against them. And Reps will scream bloody murder this time when Dems win using the same tactic.

Posted by: canobamawin | April 14, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

AMERICA IS DOWN THE TOILET!!!!

Posted by: harried | April 14, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Mason: I enjoyed it too. Sorry to see you go, though before you do, I'd appreciate knowing what "Godwinized" is. Oh, and I agree with you on why people voted for Hitler. But Obama's comment remains a generalization, at best.

Posted by: canobamawin | April 14, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Right! The richest crook in Congress (hello, S&L ripoff) now declares himself a man of the people.....the bullsh!t bar is lowered a few inches more...

Posted by: nighthawksoars | April 14, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

canobamawin
He's not me. I'm me or an inadvertant annon.

You're still wrong on Hitler though. His Jew blame is closer to GOP tactics than anything BHO or I hav said.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama's comments could easily have come from any introductory text on Political Science or macroeconomics. McCain's reaction to them only displays the state of McCain's education: at his age, he should think about a comfortable retirement with plenty of library time. It's never kjtoo late to broaden your horizons...

Posted by: elprimojpvh@aol.com | April 14, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Feastorfamine: First, I rephrased my initial question. It was poorly worded and I understand your point about it. Take a look at the rephrased question (immediately above your last post to me). Second, you did not address my second question. Someone named Mason did. I'm not sure whether you and Mason are the same person, but Mason's response to my second question is downright scary. If you are not the same person, I hope you'll agree with me. If you are the same person or you agree that economics trumps all other issues, you can see my most recent response to Mason.

Posted by: canobamawin | April 14, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I love how white conservatives will moan over political correctness-this and censorship-that when they're slapped on the wrist for usually over-the-top racist and otherwise offensive remarks, then decry Obama when he says something real. Oh, let's not make the poor folks REALIZE they're poor and that they're psychologically driven to hold on to those things they can; we'll stand up for these poor working folks until they need help, then we say "What do you think we are? Made of money?" Let's not make them realize that the true division in this country is the haves and have-nots, rather than the engineered divisions of race, religion, etc. That's elitist.

Posted by: SteadyState | April 14, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Anyone catch the picture of Bush and his boys cavorting with Putin and his guys. The Russians are the ones without flags in their lapels.
Any American waving the flag for personal gain should be shot!

Posted by: Harried | April 14, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Mason- What? I was told that that was Spanish for "Fertilizer".

Honest Mexican Indian! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | April 14, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Save your wind, rat. You're dull.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

canobamawin -
Sorry, man. You Godwinized it, so I'm not going to continue w/ you. Too bad, it was interesting while it lasted.

Just as a historical note: people voted for Hitler because he gave them jobs, squelched hyperinflation, and someone to blame.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Es muy bueno! Tambien?

Now, again in Example form-Some people just don't quite grasp the Queen's English! :-(

You can "Conserve", that does not make you a "Conservative"

You can be "Social", that does mean your are a "Socialist"

You can have some "Capital", that does not mean you are a "Capitalist"

Being Elite(Like Moi), does not make you an Elitist!

Even I am willing to actually have discourse with such as You! ;~)

Hence, I am obviously NOT a Dimocrat Socialist Congressional Lawyer(Elitist)! :-)

Posted by: RAT-The | April 14, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I always wondered about a statement McCain made years ago that he received rough treatment from the villagers when he landed in Vietnam up until they learned he was the son of an Admiral...now just how many villagers knew that and how? Have a feeling the Swiftboaters will be there in a few months to tell everyone.

Posted by: Will | April 14, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

I assume I'm responding to Mason. The reason you don't see why Obama's statement is insulting is because you can't see past your own position, which is:

"Those people you know are foolish. Sorry to be blunt, but if you vote yourself out of work, because of some "social issue" you're a fool. It doesn't matter how strongly you feel about it, whatever it is. If you haven't got a job, you aren't any good to anyone: your family, community or country. To vote in such a manner as to further your economic decline is self-defeating behavior, and should be called out as such. It's up to the electorate to either realize the truth in such a call-out, or to get upset over it. So far, it seems like the "outrage" is mostly being piped in."

There are so many things wrong with this statement, but I'll just hit the biggest: Would you vote for Hitler because he gave you a job even though he's killing people? I don't know you but I assume you have enough moral sense not to. Therefore, not even you believe what you wrote here. But what you've done is reveal that you don't compare killing Jews to what many people believe is killing pre-born human life. That may be fine if you don't believe human life starts in the womb, but what if pro-lifers took their definition of life and your attitude? "Hey, I'd rather have a job than concern myself with whether the government permits organized killing." They'll be so desensitized to government sanctioned killing they won't care when the government sanctions the killing of me because I've fallen below somebodies subjective opinion about the quality of life. If someone is pro-life, even if I"m not, for my own safety's sake I want them voting on that issue above all others.


Posted by: canobamawin | April 14, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

An "ELITIST" believes in "THE HAVES" and "THE HAVE MORES"!

Anyone heard that before?

Posted by: harried | April 14, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Si, Mason. Like having a bicho in my soup, as the profesora from Espana me dijo. There are cultural differences. The other professors were from Latin America and P.R. They were ROFLOL at lunch. She turned beet red (and then started laughing).

Posted by: Ivory Tower | April 14, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

BPK-
So you're completely discounting the fact that there may actually be smart people in this country and that BHO (or Hillary or McCain, fwiw) may be one of them?

Seriously?

They have medication and treatment for depression now. Even mob bosses do it.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Look at that. The rat gets around the censors by typing in spanish.

Maricon.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Michael G writes:And somebody ought to remind the lying, caterwauling, moronic trolls infesting this blog that twisting this story in a lame attempt to smear Obama is transparently lame and pathetic.

-remember when Obama pledged to use only public financing in his campaign ? that was way before he hit the jackpot raising private money. Well, now you dont hear a peep about the "promise" or the "pledge" to clean up a creaky financing system and setting an example by using only public funds. No one needs to smear Ob, he does it himself. Who is Ob ? the longer we look, the more we see an old style 2 bit liberal politician promising what he doesnt even believe in himself.

Posted by: alex | April 14, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

elitist ? mccain is a hero, and americans appreciate his service in vietnam. but, being a naval academy legacy by 3 generations and marrying a 20 year younger multi-millionaire wife sounds like a british general marrying into aristocracy to me. there's nothing wrong w/ any of that but, clearly it's a pot and kettle comment.

Posted by: jacade | April 14, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: canobamawin

Feastorfamine: If Obama was trying to appeal to Reagan Dems, he insulted them instead. His statement was also stupid. Obama is saying that people only vote Rep when they're bitter. How many Dems would be OK if McCain said the same thing about them? It's just a ludicrous and unsupportable proposition. Obama is also saying that people who vote on "wedge issues" rather than on economics do so for purely emotional (non-existent) reasons. Do Dems feel that way about their "wedge" issues? That's also ludicrous and unsupportable.

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Obama never said they voted reuplican because they were bitter. Funny how i dont see that in the quote anyplace. See i have this nasty habit of actually looking at the quote and question asked to discuss the merits of the senator's observations.
See you make the assumption that because Obama provides a short list of wedge issues that its an attack on repubs...so is this your way of laying claim to the wedge issues?
OK let me walk you through it AGAIN
Obama was saying ...that people often are reduced to wedge issues because of the apathy they feel about other issues. He did not imply that they ONLY vote pro-life because of frustration. They are pro-life no matter what. What he asserts is that all too often in sad fashion some folks become so cynical about the lack of effectiveness of goverment that they will end up EXCLUDING the other issues when it comes time to voting. Its not a judgement on their voting choices its an observation of voting habits combined with a perception of cynacism with regards to the effectiveness of goverment. I dont know why i am wasting my time. I get i get it. Obama hates people with guns, he hates religious people, i get it. Make your bumper stickers.

Posted by: feastorafamine | April 14, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Feastorfamine: This is a tad complicated, but I need to rephrase one of my characterizations. Here is my comment re-written.

If Obama was trying to appeal to Reagan Dems, he insulted them instead. His statement was also stupid. Obama is saying that Dems who vote Rep because they favor one or more Rep issues have done so because they are bitter at their economic situation. What if McCain turned it around and said that Reps who vote Dem, because they favor one or more Dem issues, have done so only beause they are bitter about their economic situation. It's a generalization that is nonsensical and unsupportable.

Obama is also saying that people who vote on "wedge issues" rather than on economics do so for purely emotional (non-existent) reasons. Do Dems feel that way about their "wedge" issues? This conclusion is also a generalization and unsupportable.

Posted by: canobamawin | April 14, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

canobamawin
I included it. You're fallacious premise is that Obama said that the cause of their belief is their economic depression. He said nothing of the sort. He said they vote on issue X while igoring the damage that a candidate supporting X will do on issue Y because they don't trust any candidate on Y. It's a much more complex statement than X leads to Y, which is what you're using.


Furthermore, your substition doesn't make sense. A socially liberal, economically depressed (or economically OK) person probably wouldn't vote for a socially liberal economically conservative canditate over a social liberal, economically liberal candidate. Why would they? It's a wash on social issues, voting for economically conservative candidate votes against their self-intrest.

Those people you know are foolish. Sorry to be blunt, but if you vote yourself out of work, because of some "social issue" you're a fool. It doesn't matter how strongly you feel about it, whatever it is. If you haven't got a job, you aren't any good to anyone: your family, community or country. To vote in such a manner as to further your economic decline is self-defeating behavior, and should be called out as such. It's up to the electorate to either realize the truth in such a call-out, or to get upset over it. So far, it seems like the "outrage" is mostly being piped in.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

There's a lot of Conservative talking points in here. Not a lot of independant thinking. Now I know why Blue Collar workers are hurting! Winning is more important than your childrens futures. You're losing your homes, jobs, insurance, etc. and you still brag about how many Republican presidents you've had. That should tell you something.....They are the ones sticking it to you STUPID! You're no better off than the next Democrat, actually today you're worse off. It's mind boggling you keep falling for this crap! Get your Priorities straight...Your Children, Their future, your future! How's it looking out there in Blue Collar land? Not that promising is it? But Hey you won the Presidency so the kids can fend for themselves. You just had 8 years of controlling , the White House, both houses of Congress, and the Supreme Court and look at the total mess we are in. IDIOTS!

Posted by: Martin | April 14, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Again for some of your necessary edification:

OK Kiddies; Today's Catch-Phrase is "ELITIST".
What IS an Elitist? :-/

An "Elitist" is Typically a Dimocratic Congressional Lawyer who is also a "Professional Politician".(See: John Kerry/ Teddy Kennedy)

Elitists live in Ivory Towers. They look down upon their supporters and tell their supporters that THEY, their Chosen One, is the One who Knows what is BEST! That the supporters should not bother them with such things as what they are doing, who they are dealing with, what their agendas are...

Because that is all just nasty Politician Stuff that the Small Town, poorer Educated, "HARD WORKING"(Obviously too busy to be distracted by Political stuff! ;~), "Typical" Folks SHOULD NOT BOTHER TRYING TO UNDERSTAND-Nice little Mushrooms that they are!

They Hired the WELL EDUCATED, WELL CONNECTED, WELL PLACED, Professional Congressional Lawyer to do all that for them! ;~)

Here you Dimocrat Socialist Supporters;

Have another shovel of Caca de Vaca!

Bon Apetit! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | April 14, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I don't see what the big deal is about Obama's comments. Suggesting that people are upset about the way the country is run is NOT elitist. This country isn't perfect, and you have to admit that before you can make it better.

Posted by: Neil | April 14, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

M I C H E L E O B A M A . . . F I R S T L A D Y ?

In her senior thesis at Princeton, Michele Obama, the wife of Barack
Obama stated that America was a nation founded on "crime and hatred".
Moreover, she stated that whites in America were "ineradicably racist".
The 1985 thesis, titled 'Princeton Educated Blacks and the Black
Community' was written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson.

Michelle Obama stated in her thesis that to 'Whites at Princeton , it
often seems as if, to them, she will always be Black first...' However,
it was reported by a fellow black classmate, "If those 'Whites at
Princeton' really saw Michelle as one who always would 'be Black first,'
it seems that she gave them that impression".

Most alarming is Michele Obama's use of the terms "separationist" and
"integrationist" when describing the views of black people.

Mrs. Obama clearly identifies herself with a "separationist" view of
race. "By actually working with the Black lower class or within their
communities as a result of their ideologies, a separationist may better
understand the desperation of their situation and feel more hopeless
about a resolution as opposed to an integrationist who is ignorant to
their plight." Obama writes that the path she chose by attending
Princeton would likely lead to her 'further integration and/or
assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only
allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full
participant.' Michele Obama clearly has a chip on her shoulder.

Not only does she see separate black and white societies in America ,
but she elevates black over white in her world. Here is another passage
that is uncomfortable and ominous in meaning:

"There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community,
I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and
future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost. "
What is Michelle Obama planning to do with her future resources if she's
first lady that will elevate black over white in America ?

The following passage appears to be a call to arms for affirmative
action policies that could be the hallmark of an Obama administration.

"Predominately white universities like Princeton are socially and
academically designed to cater to the needs of the white students
comprising the bulk of their enrollments." The conclusion of her thesis
is alarming.

Michelle Obama's poll of black alumni concludes that other black
students at Princeton do not share her obsession with blackness. But
rather than celebrate, she is horrified that black alumni identify with
our common American culture more than they value the color of their
skin. "I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite
the high degree of identification with whites as a result of the
educational and occupational path that black Princeton alumni follow,
the alumni would still maintain a certain level of identification with
the black community. However, these findings do not support this
possibility." Is it no wonder that most black alumni ignored her racist
questionnaire? Only 89 students responded out of 400 who were asked for
input.

Michelle Obama does not look into a crowd of Obama supporters and see
Americans. She sees black people and white people eternally conflicted
with one another. The thesis provides a trove of Mrs. Obama's thoughts
and world view seen through a race-based prism.

This is a very divisive view for a potential first lady that would do
untold damage to race relations in this country in a Barack Obama
administration. Michelle Obama's intellectually refined racism should
give all Americans pause for deep concern.

Now maybe she's changed, but she sure sounds like someone with an axe to
grind with America. Will the press let Michelle get a free pass over
her obviously racist comment about American whites? I am sure that it
will. But it shouldn't.

Posted by: freedom_diva | April 14, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

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HEY, IF YOU DON'T LIKE MCCAIN

VOTE FOR MCCLINTON !


.

Posted by: . | April 14, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

And somebody ought to remind this arrogant, elitist SOB Obama that those small town people he's ridiculing just happen to make up a big number of the moms and dads who have a son or a daughter over in Iraq.

Posted by: | April 14, 2008 4:49 PM


And somebody ought to remind the lying, caterwauling, moronic trolls infesting this blog that twisting this story in a lame attempt to smear Obama is transparently lame and pathetic.

But don't let that stop you.

Posted by: Michael G. | April 14, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Geoff,
Attempting to be intellectually astute is much worse than simply admitting you are a fool.

I see America as two groups of people: people who are not smart and don't pretend to be, and people who are not smart and pretend to be. Obama panders to the latter. I'll take my chances with the first, if you don't mind.

Posted by: bkp | April 14, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Mason: I'm still waiting for a reply to my post at 4:19, in case you missed it.

Posted by: canobamawin | April 14, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

I think good buds HRC and McCain are working together on this one. Didn't she just say the same thing? How come she gets to laugh off her own misspoken comments but tries to burn the house down around Obama whenever there is an issue? I'm glad she got booed today.

Enough is enough! This topic is stupid, give us a break already. I'm sick of the media! McCain should just shut up and let her take the heat for this...why join in? Instead of promoting her own agenda we have to hear another nasty tear down from HRC. OBAMA 08!! Geez will this primary never end????

Posted by: GinnyGurl | April 14, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Mason:

Of course, but (hopefully, keeping my fingers crossed, all the way to Denver) she trounces him next week ...

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

feastorafamine
Obama is using a marxist argument to explain voting trends.

If only they would stop clinging to their "Opium" in this case religion...they would surely support the party that "really" has their best interests at heart.

It is both condescending and arrogant.

Posted by: FH | April 14, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Feastorfamine: If Obama was trying to appeal to Reagan Dems, he insulted them instead. His statement was also stupid. Obama is saying that people only vote Rep when they're bitter. How many Dems would be OK if McCain said the same thing about them? It's just a ludicrous and unsupportable proposition. Obama is also saying that people who vote on "wedge issues" rather than on economics do so for purely emotional (non-existent) reasons. Do Dems feel that way about their "wedge" issues? That's also ludicrous and unsupportable.

Posted by: canobamawin | April 14, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

A cornerstone of the McCain campaign is that the rich deserve the Bush tax cuts and they should be continued. He says we should continue the Iraq war and continue to finance it on borrowed money. Our grandchildren and their children will pay for this unnecessary war so that tax cuts can continue for his rich friends. McCain has no standing to call anyone elitist.

He will continue the disasters of the current Bush administration.

Posted by: esch | April 14, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

RTFA:

McCain Calls Obama's Comments 'Elitist'

Sen. John McCain holds up a box of Dunkin' Donuts presented to him by Associated Press political reporter Liz Sidoti before a question and answer session at the Associated Press Annual Meeting in Washington, April 14, 2008. (Associated Press)

"Sen. John McCain said Sen. Barack Obama's COMMENTS about "bitter" Americans suffering economic distress were 'elitist'."

"Asked whether Obama himself is elitist, McCain said he did not know him well enough to know."

McCain said Obama's COMMENTS, not Obama himself, were elitist.

Posted by: Guest | April 14, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

JakeD-
Could be, but whenever you see polls bounce like that, alarm bells should go off like mad. It's probably bad sampling. Expect them to settle in the 7-10% range. Does the phrase "cautious optimism" hold any meaning with you?

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Hillman:

Unless, of course, you are wrong about his underlying statement being 100% accurate. Those "folk" embraced the rights guaranteed under the 1st and 2nd Amendments long before NAFTA ...

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

And somebody ought to remind this arrogant, elitist SOB Obama that those small town people he's ridiculing just happen to make up a big number of the moms and dads who have a son or a daughter over in Iraq.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Man, Senator Obama does think Senator Clinton is a great shot if she shoots ducks up a blind with a six shooter!!!!
She is Annie Oakley!! I'm voting for her for sure!!!

Posted by: cb | April 14, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Clown-
Makes sense now.

Yeah, the grass is greener isn't it. I looked at that opportunity as well, but said the hell with it because of the delay til earning, the debt, and the fact that no one really knows what's going to happen in the health care system over my working lifetime. So it's a code monkey's life for me.

(LOL @ "the job" bit. Like a Spaniard going to Mexico and saying he was going to cojer un taxi.)

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I just lost a lot of respect for McCain.

Obama at WORST chose words that sounded harsh out of contest. But actually his underlying statement was 100% accurate.

I could go either way - McCain or Obama. But what I liked about McCain was his relative lack of BS. Unfortunately, this is not his finest hour. In fact, it's sortof sad to see.

Posted by: Hillman | April 14, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Stan Denski:

Warren EDWARD Buffett is worth much more than John SIDNEY McCain -- why does that matter -- are you saying that Buffett couldn't correctly label Barack HUSSEIN Obama's comment as "elitist" either?

Also, Barack HUSSEIN Obama is a "step" in the direction of abortion and special rights for homosexuals.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

And somebody ought to remind this arrogant, elitist SOB Obama that those small town people he's ridiculing just happen to make up a big number of the moms and dads who have a son or a daughter over in Iraq.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

How does a guy worth $40,000,000 get off calling anyone "elitist"? What nonsense.

Here's the choice; if you want Bush 3 vote for McCain. If not, vote for Obama. Obama may well not be the saviour of the the universe, but he is a step in the right direction. That's enough for me.

Posted by: Stan Denski | April 14, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: WH | April 14, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Ken:

Who are the "folks" in Beaver County voting for next week?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey Mo, where's my $1.7 million a year? I thought I was average. Like most left wing Democrats, I guess some folks are just more average than others.

Lake Wobegon, where the women are strong, the men are good looking, and ALL the children are above average. Ha! Garrison Keillor does support Obama, right? He's a pauper too.

Posted by: Mo Betta | April 14, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Someone needs to tell Senator Obama that you don't go "up a blind" and you don't shoot ducks with six shooter!!!

Posted by: kt | April 14, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

As someone commented: "If you believe in the 2nd Amendment, go to church, or question the failed policy of a wide open border and you won't vote for Senator Obama, you're a racist, trigger-happy, rednecked bigot." Once again, as with the Rev. Wright's "hate speech" Sen. Obama has exhibited either his true feelings or rather stupid judgement. Yes, Senator Obama, you are damn right people from Pennsylvania, and in particular from my old hometown in Beaver County, Pa. are bitter! Once upon a time, people had hope, had pride in their work, proud to be working in the same mills as their fathers and grandfathers making the industrial products, like steel, for America. However, corporate greed and brain-dead and corrupt politicians have sold out the American working middle class. If fact, America is no longer a democracy, it is a corporate fascist state where the "elite" are given tax cuts and are only concerned about their ever-increasing wealth on Wall Street. The "elite" control the government through K Street corruption. The decade's long pursuit of the myth of "Free Trade" is not what you would find in Adam Smith's "Wealth of Nations" but is simply agreements to protect the investments of corporate America to exploit cheap foreign labor and to hell with Main Street by industrial exportation, outsourcing and insourcing of cheap foreign labor, even illegal aliens. Yes, these Pennsylvanians are damn bitter to have been betrayed and forgotten by their govt. except when the "elite" want their children to enlist in the military for wars such as the insanity of the Bush Iraq War! Senator Obama is not ready for "Prime Time" as President, not with my vote!

Posted by: Ken | April 14, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"IT DOES BECOME AN ISSUE BECAUSE ITS WHAT IS LEFT FOR THEM TO RAIL AGAINST."

His quote stands for itself. It's a classic marxist argument. "Religious suffering is at the same time an expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the sentiment of a heartless world, and the soul of a soulless condition. It is the opium of the people."

I mean, that sums it up. It was a huge mistake, and for you to defend it means you probably agree with Marx's argument. Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't sell too well in Middle-America.

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Oh this is a good one. PLEASE PLEASE tell me how VOTING TRENDS has ANYTHING to do with marxism? So the fact releigion was mentioned in the context of a wedge issue due to governmental apathy is construed as Marxism? Please spare me you psuedo intellectual baseless arguments. Nice quote. Still trying to figure out how in ANY way it applies to an observation about VOTING trends. I guess its merely the leap that Democrats are all socialists? Oh ya that old bumper sticker...i almost forgot. Obama's comments were to suggest that with an apathy for the effectiveness of goverment that often all that is left that motivates voters are wedge issues. Pretty simple stuff. Unless you are Joe McCarthy. Hello Joe.

Posted by: feastorafamine | April 14, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Mo:

I thought it was $110 million over SEVEN (not 3) years?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain's comments prompted me to donate more money to Obama, thanks John for keeping us all informed how uninformed you really are!!!

Posted by: junio | April 14, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

By comparison with Obama, it's McSANE.

Posted by: Leftist Loons | April 14, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Anybody who votes for McSame is as insane as he is. McLame is 4 more years of FAILED Chimpy policies.

Posted by: Tom3 | April 14, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Electric Bill, the term is ring knocker. To bring you into the 21st Century, since the 1950s, ROTC/OCS graduates have occupied 85% of the officer billets, and promotion rates for Academy graduates are often lower than ROCT grads. The fact that he is a 3rd generation graduate must be offset by the fact that his father had an opportunity to have his son, McCain, released by the North Vietnamese. McCain refused. He was known to take brutal abuse. How "privileged" he was then, no? And his son is an enlisted Marine down range in Iraq.

Obama Talks the Talk. McCains Walk the Walk.

Semper Fi.

Posted by: Ring Knocker | April 14, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

If Bill or Ferraro say something, it's insensitive, racist, mean, inconsiderate you name it.

Obama says something, it's the truth.

Double standard.

Obama crossed the line when he said that "bitter" people "cling" to guns, religion, are anti-trade, anti-immigrant.

Posted by: Comment | April 14, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Anyone in Chicago knows Obama is a latte-drinking, granola-chomping, Volvo-driving left liberal WHO CAN NEVER WIN A GENERAL ELECTION. But nooooooo: wait until he is the nominee before figuring it out, by all means! That is why we have had 2 Democratic presidents since 1968. That is why we had the so-called Reagan Democrats. And that is why, unless Hillary gets the nomination, McCain will be the next president.

Posted by: Catherine | April 14, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

What a joke. Obama has a net worth closer to the average american. The clintons made 110 million in the last 3 years. Hillary was on the board of walmart when Obama was earning peanuts serving steelworkers that were having their jobs shipped elsewhere. Give me a break Hillary. You have proven to be extremely dishonest. Im a democrat and I wont vote for someone as untrustworthy as yourself. Goodnight and good luck.

Posted by: Mo | April 14, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Mason:

Or, the poll is accurate and she's going to blow him out in PA ; )

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

"IT DOES BECOME AN ISSUE BECAUSE ITS WHAT IS LEFT FOR THEM TO RAIL AGAINST."

His quote stands for itself. It's a classic marxist argument. "Religious suffering is at the same time an expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the sentiment of a heartless world, and the soul of a soulless condition. It is the opium of the people."

I mean, that sums it up. It was a huge mistake, and for you to defend it means you probably agree with Marx's argument. Nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't sell too well in Middle-America.

Posted by: FH | April 14, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

JakeD-
ARG has been bouncing really badly. The poll before that had them in a tie, and the one before that at like Clinton +5%. I wouldn't put too much faith in that one. Something's screwy with their methodology, because their numbers have been very unstable.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Hillary McSame '08:

That would be about the surest way for him to lose in November.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Bruce McDougall
It seems as if all of the Obama supporters here are attempting to blame McCain and Clinton for Obama's disparaging remarks about folks in small towns. What he said is both asinine, arrogant and condescending. He said it because he wanted to get a laugh at a meeting of rich white liberal elitists in San Francisco.
Why is it that Clinton is not allowed to criticize Obama?! Is she allowed to campaign! Why aren't women all over America up in arms at how unfairly the media is treating the first qualified female candidate for the presidency?! The media continues to protect it's favorite nominee, Obama, by accusing Clinton and anyone else of unimaginable crimes if they so much as look at the guy cross-eyed. I'm undecided, but it really doesn't seem as if the woman is getting a fair shake. Mr and Mrs Clinton should take the gloves off-I'm fairly sure McCain will in the General Election.
Democrats will eventually wake up to the realization that this "not ready for prime time candidate" is going to lose. I estimate that will be on November 5th 2008.
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Are you kidding? Obama is blaming Hillary or McCAin for HIS remarks? He doesnt have to. What he states in his remarks with proper context is 100% true. His choice of words muddies the meaning but the context and the message is SPOT ON. His comments on the quote after he made it are only to clarify the exact meaning.
Have you even listed to the audio of Obamas comments? Get a laugh? No laughing could be heard. In fact he only thing that was heard was APPLAUSE.
Why isnt Clinton allowed to critisize Obama? She hasnt? Thats a new one on me. Why arent the "women" of the world upset about the media treatment? Because being a WOMAN has nothing to do with anything. Isnt that like playing the "gender" card? Woman vote for the candidate they like the most for various reasons. NOT just because its a woman. I LOVE Hillary but i DO NOT get this strange perception of inustice that BOTH Obama and Hillary supporters wine about. Nobody is getting a free ride. Nobody is getting unfairly treaded upon. The only criticism i have is that EVERYONE ins being treaded upon. In an effort to get ratings the media is willing to blow anything out of proportion. Spin any sentence to controversy. And we are all buying it hook line and sinker.

Posted by: feastorafamine | April 14, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Mason: In order to make an "argument from fallacy" there has to be a fallacy in my premise. You conveniently left out explaining how my premise if fallacious. Maybe I can understand you do that. But I think my Michelman example is exactly on point. Just take your statement but substitute liberal for socially conservative: "Economically depressed, liberal people, vote for socially liberal candidates even if those candidates will not help their economic depression because they don't trust any candidate to help them (bitter."

Does this make sense on the left? I don't think it makes sense on the right, and it's insulting. It elevates economics above everything else. I know many people who vote for socially conservative or liberal candidates, against their economic self-interests. They do so because they believe some principles are more important than economics, and not because they are bitter.

Posted by: canobamawin | April 14, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"Some people call you the elites. I call you my base." - GWB

I must admit, I laughed when I heard that one.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

McCain and Hillary should run together- they are two of a kind.

Posted by: Hillary McSame '08 | April 14, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

McSame is a third generation ring banger (Naval Academy grad who sits around ROTC and OCS officers banging their rings on the table to remind them of the pecking order) who married into a mega fortune after dumping his sick wife. Now that's elitist. Obama just stuck his foot in his mouth while he as trying to tell the truth about how republicans co-opt working people with smoke screen issues.

Posted by: Electric Bill | April 14, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I sincerely apologize if this results in a double posting.

Mason, I was offered a full scholarship PhD in Econ at a polytechnic, for which the professorship paid $40K a year. I didn't become a police officer. If you have viewed Rodney Dangerfield in "Back to School" you will see he may have a point about business professors, too.

Regarding on the job, I think you must be from the NE or NYC. On the job obviously means being a cop, there.

I learned in the UAE that the term "on the job" means having sex. Try telling someone you have been "on the job for 11 years." Your endurance will be regarded as legendary.

I love engineering, so I reverted to my bachelor's field. Plus, after several years of foolish outsourcing, engineering jobs are now hot.

But whatever floats your boat. I wish I had followed family into medicine sometimes. But the grass is always greener.

Posted by: Clown | April 14, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Looks like it, Tom3:

The latest American Research Group poll, taken after the "bitter" comment hit the news (April 11-13), shows Hillary DIANE Clinton ahead in Pennsylvania 57% to 37%!!!

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article about Hillary being Gay. Now that would be something fun having a lesbian president.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1122858/posts

Posted by: CJ | April 14, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the innuendo Jim.
Now fact it up, and point out just where he violated the law.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the rednecks in PA are bitter about Obama's remarks.

Pennsylvania is Pittsburgh and Philadelphia with Alabama in the middle - James Carville.

Posted by: Tom3 | April 14, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

So John (keating lover, billionaire by way of his wife) McCain screams elitist at Obama. John McCain is a certifiable nut case like his best buddies, George Walker Bush, Dick Cheney, Pat Robertson, Dobson and their crowd of Nuke God's world now freaks. It was just a few years ago he was demonizing the same crowd now he licks their boots. (some hero) He talks and walks the crookedest straight line of circumlocution that is the envy of snakes and worms. Par for the course of the Republican Party while the dead keep piling up in Iraq and the crooked corporate elitist keep feasting on the children of the victims of their CEO's scams they are laughing all the way to the banks, off shore of course.

Posted by: russell | April 14, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Senator Clinton is worth $109,000,000 and Senator McCain -though there is a prenup- is worth 150,000,000 through his wife. Of the three candidates these two are elitist. Imagine the lifestyle of these two candidates off camera. Obama must fight these two on this.

Posted by: vote for Obama | April 14, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of demeaning remarks, Rep. Geoff Davis (R-KY) called Senator Obama "boy" today.

Calling an adult black man "boy" is an insult akin to calling him the n-word.

Typical racist Repuke.

Davis needs to stand in the well of Congress and be CENSURED. And booed.

Posted by: Tom3 | April 14, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

The USA is truly a country of morons- they twice voted for a guy (Bush) whose base (as per his own words) is the "elite".

Posted by: GOP is run by the "elite" | April 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again....the media electing our next president. How many words have been dedicated to McCain's misunderstanding of the politics in the Middle East? Not much! His ignorance of the political structure in the world is a travesty. This in my mind should be the number one goof in this election year, yet maybe you might see mention of it on some obscure blog or on page 15! The media makes me bitter!

Posted by: Lee | April 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Me thinks Mr. McCain needs to read the Grapes of Wrath.

Obama's comments could not be more true and describe human nature any more accurately. In fact, his statement reflects a societal precedent that can be traced throughout human history as far back as the written word.

"Their faith is not motivated by fear or bitterness. People who attend churches are happy, and uplifting." This statement is such unbelievable poppycock I have a hard time keeping myself from laughing hysterically. Religious people are ____ you can fill in the blank with as many positive adjectives as you want and it doesn't make this absurd statement any more true than if I said with my hand on a bible, "all atheists worship the devil" or "all Republicans are dishonest".

Posted by: pburt1616 | April 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

100 year McCain tortures

and lies about it.

Posted by: Klem | April 14, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Allison Davis, who hired the young Obama into his small, Chicago law firm Davis, Miner, and Barnhill in 1993, left the firm in late 1999-2000 and became a housing developer. Davis went into business with Tony Rezko, the indicted businessman who's scheduled to go on trial for corruption in Illinois, and who was a major fundraiser for Obama.

Davis met Rezko when he was a client of Davis, Miner, and Barnhill. Rezko is currently under indictment in Illinois for demanding kickbacks from companies seeking state government business contracts under Governor Blagojevich. Obama was identified as one of the politicians cited in the indictment as having received political contributions from Rezko out of his kickback funds.

Tony Rezko hosted fundraising events for Obama in his home and was on Obama's US Senate campaign finance committee which collected $14 million for his campaign against conservative Alan Keyes, an African-American who served as an Ambassador during the Reagan Administration. In order to avoid a scandal during his presidential campaign, Obama returned $85,000 that Rezko and his family had donated to him.

In early 2000, while Obama served as a state senator in Illinois, he also sat on the board of the nonprofit Woods Fund. The Woods Fund is a Chicago-based foundation that claims its primary mission is to make financial grants in order to increase and/or create opportunities for disadvantaged people and low-income communities.

The chairman of the Woods fund board in 2000 was Howard Stanback, who like Obama also had connections to Davis, according to the reliable sources.

Davis submitted a grant request to the Woods Foundation for a $1 million investment in his development partnership, Neighborhood Rejuvenation LP, that would be used to finance low-income senior-citizen housing. Under normal circumstances, a board member is supposed to recuse himself or herself from decisions where they have a business or personal relationship.

Obama, who did not recuse himself, voted to approve Davis' grant request. Stanback, on the other hand, abstained from voting. The housing project, which also received a $5.7 million loan from the city of Chicago, in turn donated almost $70,000 in political contributions to Obama's presidential campaign.

In the past, Rezko gave Obama -- who served as an Illinois State Senator -- his first two political contributions in 1995, $1,000 each from two of his companies. In 1998, State Senator Obama wrote letters to city and state officials urging them to fund a Davis-Rezko housing project. It was an obvious quid pro quo arrangement.

Another major fundraiser for Obama is William Ayers, who also sat on the board of the Woods Fund with Obama and is a professor at the University of Chicago.

Bill Ayers, along with his wife Bernadine Dohrn, was an active member of the Weather Underground, a radical left-wing group that advocated violence against the United State. Both Ayers and Dohrn went "underground" in 1970 after others in the group accidentally detonated a bomb in a Greenwich Village (New York City) townhouse. The blast killed three of the group's members including Ayers' girlfriend at the time.

While Ayers and Dohrn were hiding from law enforcement, the Weather Underground participated in the bombings of the US Capital, the Pentagon and a State Department building. In 1981 Ayers and Dohrn turned themselves in to federal authorities, but all charges were dropped as a result of alleged "government legal misconduct." In his 2001 memoir, Ayers wrote, "I don't regret setting the bombs. I feel we didn't do enough."

Ayers and Dohrn are known to have held at least one fundraiser for Barack Obama in their Chicago home.

During Obama's last year on the board of The Woods Fund (2002), he participated in awarding grants, including a $70,000 grant to the Arab American Action Network, a Chicago-based group founded by Rashid and Mona Khalidi.

In another suspected quid pro quo arrangement similar to those with Ayers and Rezko, Rashid Khalidi also held a fundraising event in his home for Barack Obama.

In the Middle East, Rashid Khalidi was known as a man to be reckoned with. From 1972 through 1983, Khalidi was the director in Beirut of the official Palestinian press agency, FAFA. His wife worked there as well.

According to sources, when the Khalidi's left Chicago for Columbia University in New York, Rashid was honored with the Edward Said Chair in Arab Studies at that Ivy League university. Their goodbye party in Chicago included testimonials from Bill Ayers and Barack Obama.

Obama CHOSE Marxist Professors as per his book.

Obama CHOSE to associate with communist/Marxist terrorists such as William Ayers.

Obama CHOSE to associate with Rezko and his arab connections.

Obama CHOSE to attend for 20 years a communist/marxist based "Black Liberation Theology" church headed by Rev. Wright.

Obama is suspect because of his ANTI-AMERICAN persona as well as his wife is with her same rhetoric.

The above is the window into Obama's soul which is open and if one will CHOSE to look hard enough you will find Obama is unfit to hold the office of President of the United States.

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Posted by: Jim | April 14, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

It seems as if all of the Obama supporters here are attempting to blame McCain and Clinton for Obama's disparaging remarks about folks in small towns. What he said is both asinine, arrogant and condescending. He said it because he wanted to get a laugh at a meeting of rich white liberal elitists in San Francisco.
Why is it that Clinton is not allowed to criticize Obama?! Is she allowed to campaign! Why aren't women all over America up in arms at how unfairly the media is treating the first qualified female candidate for the presidency?! The media continues to protect it's favorite nominee, Obama, by accusing Clinton and anyone else of unimaginable crimes if they so much as look at the guy cross-eyed. I'm undecided, but it really doesn't seem as if the woman is getting a fair shake. Mr and Mrs Clinton should take the gloves off-I'm fairly sure McCain will in the General Election.
Democrats will eventually wake up to the realization that this "not ready for prime time candidate" is going to lose. I estimate that will be on November 5th 2008.

Posted by: Bruce McDougall | April 14, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

When faced with the effects of disastrous national policies, it is important to keep (as the Brits say) "a stiff upper lip." Everything is going to be OK. We're not bitter at all, we're happy, confident Americans. In America, we are all wearing nice clothes, let it not be said that any one of us doesn't look and feel great.

Posted by: Tony Lopez | April 14, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

canobamawin:
"Would you be OK with Obama explaining Kate Michelman's vote (whose commitment to personal choice is extremely strong) on the basis of economic frustration? "

It would be silly and wrong, but that doesn't make you right. You're still comitting the basic logical fallacy of "Argument from fallacy" in the form a a stawman. What BHO said was not that "Economically depressed people vote for socially conservative candidates on the basis of their economic depression." That would be a little nuts, but not completely - religion is supposed to help through the hard times, right? Faith, hope, and love, right? What he did say is that "Economically depressed, socially conservative people vote (cling) for socially conservative candidates *even if* those candidates will not help their economic depession, because they don't trust any candidate to help them (bitter)". Their economic situation is not the motivating force for their belief, but it is for their vote.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

This whole "scandal" makes me laugh (its easier than crying). When I heard what Obama had said, I thought "SO"? I don't see what the big deal is. Can anyone explain to me what is so offensive about Obama's comments? Frankly, I think he is toally correct when the whole comment is put into the context he was framing it in. I agree that his sentiment represents a brutal honesty that is rare in politics today. I just don't get the breathless MSM coverage of this issue?

Posted by: NM Moderate | April 14, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

We need a smart person in the White House like Barack Obama. He tells the truth.

Posted by: royals1 | April 14, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

How much more navel gazing can you do, America? A debate on "is he?" or "isn't he" an elitist? Meanwhile what did not make the headlines yesterday in US MSM was the news that about 230 people were killed or wounded on the fighting raging in Baghdad AND that Citibank and Merrill Lynch will announce another combined write-down of $15 bn this week. Yours is an elite nation indeed to be obsessed with such trivia while your large banks and financial institutions pass into the hands of foreigners.

Posted by: dyalls | April 14, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

The economy is in the tank.
We are losing men/women at war daily.
Housing market is dismal.
Gas is at record prices, and climbing.
Health care costs are rising.
Crime/drugs are still a problem.

And the focus of debate - term elitist and bitter. Wow, what a crucial element of our time. Or more a turism of who we are - we all think we are elite, hence our posting of we are better than the next poster. And we are bitter, that our candidate is not winning every battle they face.


Posted by: Huh | April 14, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

You know, I'm from a small town in Pennsylvania that has been economically depressed for decades since the coal ran out and the steel mills moved, and what Mr. Obama said is pretty much spot on.

Posted by: Craig | April 14, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

McCain is 100% Correct!

As we know, Sen. Obama made a fool of himself once again by denigrating blue collar workers and saying that "small-town voters are foolishly clinging to guns, religion and anti-immigration sentiments because they are bitter about Washington's unfulfilled economic promises." His controversial remarks were rebuked by many Americans who feel that Obama's words are demeaning. Read the details.

The American Research Group says this morning that its latest poll shows Clinton ahead 57%-37%. The survey of 600 Democratic primary voters was begun Friday and completed on Sunday. Read more.

I canont believe what I have been reading on Obama wich his campaign is trying to hide:

http://www.obamaunveiled.com

Posted by: Meck | April 14, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I consider Senator Obama an above average intellect who is in touch with the common folks who are struggling financially in today's America. This is in contrast to Senator McCain who has a below average intelligence who is completely out of touch with reality and with the American people. One example was when he called those who faced foreclosures on their homes as "irresponsible borrowers" who would get no help from his administration.

As for the "bitter" word remark from Senator Obama, I think it is a correct description of a people who have felt that the government has deserted them. Ask yourself this! How would General George Washington feel after he learned that his protégé General Benedict Arnold had betrayed the American cause and gone over to the enemy. He would feel very bitter and angry!

Thank God we have a patriot like House Speaker Nancy Pelosi who can stand against George W. Bush on the Colombia trade deal and protect American jobs from California to Pennsylvania.

Posted by: My V. Nguyen | April 14, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: canobamawin | April 14, 2008 3:47 PM

feastorfamine: I'm not sure you say makes any sense and you surely do not understand my point. You said the following:

"Its not that catholics vote for pro-life SIMPLY because they are frustrated. Its the concept that pro-life may be THE ONLY thing they may vote for out of frustration."

I will ask my question in a different way: Do you really believe that a pro-life Catholic will vote ONLY on the abortion issue SIMPLY because they are frustrated? What does that say about their personal commitment to protecting the sanctity of each and every human life? Obama just ran right over that.

Would you be OK with Obama explaining Kate Michelman's vote (whose commitment to personal choice is extremely strong) on the basis of economic frustration?


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To answer your question..."Do you really believe that a pro-life Catholic will vote ONLY on the abortion issue SIMPLY because they are frustrated?"
YES YES and YES. (There vote for Pro-life stays the same regardless)
Once again you do not see the point. You are stuck on the notion, and accurately so, that people will not and do not vote simply for issues like abortion because they are "frustrated." Its the concept that they may develop and APATHY for ALL THE OTHER ISSUES because of a percieved lack of govermental effectiveness to address these other issues. DO YOU GET IT? Its that the "wedge" issues become the only platforms they follow, or lend weight to because of a perception of govermntal failure. I am really really trying not to argue with you. I can see your point. I guess i am of the opinion that you cannot or will not see Obama's point.

Posted by: feastorafamine | April 14, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS"

- Chelsey CLINTON, CLINTON's BIBLE.

"NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS"

- Chelsey CLINTON, CLINTON's BIBLE.

"NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS"

- Chelsey CLINTON, CLINTON's BIBLE.

"NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS"

- Chelsey CLINTON, CLINTON's BIBLE.

Posted by: kg | April 14, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

WE DO NOT WANT OUR PRESIDENT TO DECIDE at 3AM.

WE DO NOT WANT OUR PRESIDENT TO DECIDE at 3AM.

as she can't answer questions at 3PM itself.
Her husband claims She was sleepy when she told Bosnia story (was he saying she was dreaming of Sniper fires then)?

Posted by: kg | April 14, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

At last night's "Compassion Forum," hosted by CNN, Obama accused his critics of "misconstruing . . . [his] words" effectively turning the tables on those who take issue with his comments. In Obama's construal, he is the offended party, and any criticism directed at him is a mere "distraction" from the real issues of the campaign. This method of damage control, as that displayed in the Reverend Wright controversy, implies that simply by questioning the candidate, one is out of line, unfashionable, and uncouth.

I suspect these comments will be quite damaging to Obama because they reinforce (in spite of his efforts to equivocate during this campaign) his conventional liberalism. In this case, though, it's not simply a matter of him being liberal on economic or domestic issues; it demonstrates that he is a cultural liberal, which has been a particularly lethal charge in presidential elections. It is another brush stroke on the canvas of a man who burst onto the national scene less than four years ago and about whom we know very little. But with every passing week, it seems, we are learning more about the Man of Hope.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

McCain went to an elite private school, and he's not elite?

Posted by: Loyd Eskildson, Scottsdale, Arizona | April 14, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

pure desperation the McCain/Clinton train keeps trying and trying to derail the Obama express with these lame-assed claims. McCain doesn't know the difference between Sunni and Shia. For God's sake, how can such a man be the President of the USA?

Posted by: martiniano | April 14, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse


SIMPLE:

Will GOP commit to GAS not hitting $6 a GALLON?

Will GOP commit to MILK not hitting $5 a GALLON?

Will GOP commit to STOP RELEASING BIN LADEN's TAPES?

Will GOP commit to STOP Showing FOX Terror LEVELS?

Will GOP commit to STOP abusing "CIVIL RIGHTS"?

Its all Evangelicals who made our life miserable.

Posted by: kg | April 14, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

On a deeper level, what we saw in Obama's comments is a glimpse into a particular worldview, one that animates his political philosophy (contemporary liberalism). Senator Obama seems to view ordinary Americans as bitter, often broken, small-minded objects of pity rather than anger, ostensibly in need of instruction from -- you guessed it -- Barack Obama. The words of Michelle Obama are worth recalling in this context. She has spoken about her husband pushing us out of our "comfort zones," saying "Barack knows at some level there is a hole in our souls" and "Barack is the only person in this race who understands that before we can work on the problems as a nation, we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken in this nation."

This is the Politics of Meaning on steroids. If one views Americans as fundamentally needy children rather than competent citizens, one embraces the precepts of the nanny state -- the state that (in Margaret Thatcher's memorable phrase) takes too much from you in order to do too much for you. This provides an enormous opening for Senator McCain, who can frame this election as pitting a candidate who believes in self-government, against a candidate who believes in the nanny state.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama was not criticizing people for their religiousness or desire to use firearms. I think he was expressing regret that people have given up on their government helping them succeed economically and, as a substitute, have bought into politicians' promises to advance their religious and other beliefs in the form of federal legislation. The examples he provided were clearly areas where the far right has consistently created "wedge" issues and has promised legal reforms (immigration, gays, guns). This, all while the middle class's wages continue to remain stagnant.

Posted by: whattheshotis | April 14, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Increasingly, Barack Obama appears to be the Candidate of Illusion. He presents himself as post-racial -- which is harder to accept than it once was, given his intimate, longtime relationship with a pastor and church that harbor deep and obvious racial anger toward whites. Obama presents himself as post-partisan -- even though in his time in the Senate he has done nothing to bridge the partisan divide, which explains why he has been endorsed by the rabidly partisan MoveOn.org. Obama presents himself as post-ideological -- even though he was named the Senate's most liberal member in 2007 by the respected National Journal. Obama is a public critic of free trade -- yet his chief economic adviser is quoted by a Canadian official as saying that Obama's position on NAFTA is politically motivated and insincere. Obama speaks about the importance of religious faith in his life and the life of the nation -- yet when speaking to a group of rich liberals, he implicitly denigrates people of faith, pairing them with people who have "antipathy to people who aren't like them" and who harbor "anti-immigrant sentiment[s]." He paints religious believers as folks clinging to crutches to better deal with their desperate lives -- only to insist last night that his words were actually a tribute to people of religious faith. So sayeth Barack Obama, "healer of broken souls."

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Clown-
What? Why'd you turn down a free ride PhD for a 40k job? (by "the job" do you mean cop?)

And with that kind of economic sense, how'd you get into a PhD program anyway?

I kid. But seriously, I said some or most, not all. I'm not fool enough to speak in absolutes. There's always exceptions.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Senator John McCain co-sponsored the Military Commissions Act of 2006, which was signed into law on October 17, 2006. In it are clauses that amend the War Crimes Act, and allow the President to re-define torture at will, nullifying the Torture Act.

Senator John McCain is thus culpable of creating legislation that shields and protects torturers in the administration from prosecution for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

Whatever Senator John McCain thinks is irrelevant unless and until he repudiates the illegal legislation he co-sponsored, publicly calls for, and successfully shepherds it's repeal, and publicly calls for and votes to convict all the NSC principals, participants in the OLC and DoD, and CIA, and impeaches the President and Vice-President for crimes against humanity.

The Washington Post is among those mainstream media outlets that are participating in the news blackout on this issue, to the benefit of the Administration, and to the benefit of the presumptive Republican candidate for President in 2008. The Washington Post should be declared a non-news organization, an enabler, stripped of its first amendment rights and subjected to investigation and possible prosecution for collusion in war crimes.

When the willingly participant 'news' corporations and government officials who have, respectively, enabled and committed these heinous acts are brought to justice and sent to jail, then there will be something to comment on, for Senator John McCain.

Qui tacet consentit. The media should face justice for 4 days of censorship and silence.


Posted by: ondelette | April 14, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The Democrats are too elitist to even realize they are elitist.

That's why they are going to lose in November -- again!

Posted by: In the Middle | April 14, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama wouldn't know the truth if it smacked him in the mouth (I wish it would so he would start speaking it)!

Posted by: myshiba | April 14, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse


SIMPLE:

Will GOP commit to GAS not hitting $6 a GALLON?

Will GOP commit to MILK not hitting $5 a GALLON?

Will GOP commit to STOP RELEASING BIN LADEN's TAPES?

Will GOP commit to STOP Showing FOX Terror LEVELS?

Will GOP commit to STOP abusing "CIVIL RIGHTS"?

Its all Evangelicals who made our life miserable.

Posted by: kk | April 14, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

feastorfamine: I'm not sure you say makes any sense and you surely do not understand my point. You said the following:

"Its not that catholics vote for pro-life SIMPLY because they are frustrated. Its the concept that pro-life may be THE ONLY thing they may vote for out of frustration."

I will ask my question in a different way: Do you really believe that a pro-life Catholic will vote ONLY on the abortion issue SIMPLY because they are frustrated? What does that say about their personal commitment to protecting the sanctity of each and every human life? Obama just ran right over that.

Would you be OK with Obama explaining Kate Michelman's vote (whose commitment to personal choice is extremely strong) on the basis of economic frustration?

Posted by: canobamawin | April 14, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Actually,
Senator Obama is correct. I grew up in a small Indiana town that has been decimated by the mass exodus of manufacturing jobs. When I go home the bitter, angry, and frustration is palpable and apparent on the faces of all those long out of work laborers.

The town has been reduce to a retirement community with churches and liquor stores on every other corner. People in this town has become extremely possessive of what little material ownership they have such as their guns. The only hope they have is what Jesus has promised them because their government has long forgotten about them because they have all become a predicable voting block.

Through my travels while serving in the Army, I visited many towns and cities like my hometown with similarly bitter and angry people. And again the these towns are ignored by our government because these towns are a predictable voting block.

I think you are getting my point...these rural towns that keep getting ignored need to change their voting habits because the people they are voting for are ignoring them.

Posted by: SteelWheel1 | April 14, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Wow, what a great story, you guys. Did the McCain campaign also buy you a box of donuts for writing this?

Posted by: John | April 14, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

McCain is rapidly approaching senility. "bitter" Americans suffering economic distress is "elitist" Give me a break. We don't all have a Millionaress as a wife so paying bills, lost jobs, lack of educational opportunities will never be a problem. He should go ask real people. The Depression, McCain said, did not destroy "their confidence that America and their own lives could be made better. Well when in the Hell is it going to happen?! He does'nt want to help those deceived by predatory lenders now losing their homes. Hillary is playing politics as usual, She picks a couple of sentences out of a paragraph, hopes you haven't read the entire comment and spins a tale to deceive. The loss of Jobs as a result of NAFTA is undeniable and blue collar workers should have had enough. If they want more of the same then Hillary Clinton is their candidate. I happen to think they are ready for change and the TRUTH! You notice how she has a habit of weaving these elaborate tales on every subject? Lobbying for NAFTA but not for it, Sniper-fire on the tarmac when there were flowers, kids, & kisses. Next she'll say she was in a Charlton Heston movie. I think the American people can see through these fairy tales! Are Blue Collar workers both Racist & Stupid!?


Posted by: Martin | April 14, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

There is a problem with being elite and wanting to become elite; it is that they cannot see the reality in life and they expect that money and industry are going to solve the problems. This covers all candidates.

We have an energy crisis that we cannot solve (wishing doesn't count). We have pollution problems that we are making worse (with the energy crisis) by promoting business here and in other nations and transporting goods here and there. For those who believe the evidence that scientist sure seem to believe, global warming will produce more drought, famine, severe weather etc that destroys crops... people of science and industry do not have solutions. We are dying... physically individually and globally, emotionally and spiritually.

If we consider that God has a solution to world problems we created by ignoring His wisdom, our eyes will open to the only solution available.

The goal in life is not employment; the goal is retirement in a garden paradise that we can create here and now. We can be fully independent and truly free by planting fruit trees and bushes, vegetation that produces food and having pets that give milk and eggs. How else would we come to the land of milk and honey that God promises?!

We could retire in a garden paradise and not have to leave it and God would grow all our needs. That is an offer we cannot afford to refuse. Yet the candidates do not look like they have accepted that idea, though they have been told.

Your solution, pray to become a godly nation where people love and respect God and our fellow man and where God will be our provider. If you pray and tell your candidate this is what you want, God will lift up the leader that He has to fulfill it. That is how He works. Ask and you shall receive. That is why it is important to recognize what direction you have been going in because it truly is a dead end.

Posted by: Marie Devine | April 14, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

he called them a "contradiction from what I believe America is all about."
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Huh?? McCain believes that America is ALL about something? I guess it is some Norman Rockwell painting? John, this country has tremendous diversity and any cliche image is an affront to such diversity. There is bitter people and content people, rich and poor and gun owners and the religious as well as people who eat puppies. So what? who cares!

Elitism in America is all about the rich and powerful. Any politician, or celebrity or wealthy person who is involved in public affairs is elitist by definition.
Obama's remarks are correct for a small sliver of "some" people as Obama stated. The statement does not make him elitist but the statement was not constructive either.
McCain voted to give telecoms (and our administration) immunity for violating the 4th amendment. Protecting the elites is elitism on steroids and is the proper litmus test for whether McCain will uphold the Constitution.

Posted by: rich Rosenthal | April 14, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

canobamawin -
Appr. the response.
Trial lawyers rights can be rephrased as consumers rights. That's economic.
Minority Rights is economic.
Environmental greenness is definitely economic (*If* sea levels rise much, Florida is underwater. Storms, floods, drought, yadda yadda. *If*.)
People vote because they think they're getting screwed over one way or another. Taxes too high, services too low, gov't too in my life. Whatever, people vote because they don't like something. To point it out, and draw the connection isn't insulting. You might draw the wrong connection (People dislike abortion because they lost their jobs), but it's just wrong, not insulting.

But coming back to what the senator acutally said: You're still missing the point though. He was responding to a question about why Reagan Dems vote Republican. It's not insulting to say that it's because of the Nixon's southern strategy, Reagan's outreach, or Rove's 2002/2004 attempts to get gay marraige on as many ballots as possible. Like I said, it's just one man's analysis. It might be right, or it might be wrong. The funny part is, you aren't hearing much on this from many republican strategists, because they know that that's been their gameplan for 25 years.

I'm tending to have more faith in the electorae though. Most of what I've been seeing coming out of PA is the equivalent of shrugged shoulders. It's hard to introspect and say, "Yep, I've been distracted with the window dressing while they've been been tearing the house down around me." It's much easier to take umbrage, but outside of the mediaspace's talking (and typing) heads, I'm not seeing much. Maybe umbrage has been outsourced from the rust belt to Mexico and China as well.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse


some folks here are stupid,

some folks here are less stupid but still clueless.

How dumb do you have to be to swollow the Clintons' lies, race-baiting and do-and-say-anything-to-win-tactics ???

How clueless are you if you're rooting for McSame Warmonger I'm-old-now-so-I'll-say-anything-to-win McBush ???

Posted by: t.jefferson | April 14, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

He's right. No one who was not elitist would make such sweeping and ignorant generalizations about people. Obviously this is why Obama doesn't connect with working class voters. Latte liberals love him and maybe we should stereotype about them. If Obama was really ready to be elected President, he would never have slipped like this. He's not ready and not vetted.

Hillary '08

Posted by: Susan | April 14, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Well if this isnt a classic case of "the pot calling the kettle black" (no pun intended) I dont know what is.

Posted by: Kevin | April 14, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

First we had the term "bitter", not clearly defined. Then we had the equally ill-defined word "elitist". A number of people have commented here - correctly - that it's a bit rich of Clinton and McCain to talk about someone else being elitist. The problem is, though, that the term "elitist", like "bitter", is being used to describe a personality trait, psychological state, or outlook. If we want to put the correct terms to things, I'd suggest "presumptuous" for Obama's remark (he made a blanket statement the validity of which isn't self-evident), and "patronizing" for Clinton and McCain (as in, "Oh, those people aren't hard up with a bone to pick, they're the backbone of America".)

Posted by: Daniel | April 14, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

elitist? right. McCain and Hillary are in the elite class now. McCain's dad was an Admiral and Hillary makes 6.5 million a year according to her tax returns. Obama comes from a humble background.

Posted by: gdc95 | April 14, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Doddering old McCain depends upon Hillary to feed him his attack lines. What's he going to do when he has to run against Obama all by himself?

Posted by: Patrick, Takoma Park MD | April 14, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

merriam-webster===elite==the choice part(Obama) as opposed to the dregs===the most undesirable part(of humanity)[like those who lie and then tell two lies to get out of the first lie,perhaps about Bosnia]like Hillary

Posted by: oldman&theC | April 14, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

McCain looked liked a puffed up hot-air balloon going down Broadway to Herald Square on Thanksgiving Day (view CNN AP speeach video). Geez, that war-monger windbag has enough hot air in this shoulder and bicep pads to fill a blimp!

Posted by: JC | April 14, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

You all act like this is your first day in DC. "How hypocritical" you all proclaim of a politician... DUH.

Posted by: KEB | April 14, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

It's incredible to me that lower and middle class Americans (and I hope I am still one, as I keep sliding backward) can accept this kind of rhetoric from Senators Clinton and McCain. This is the Washington insider class who has been selling us and country down the drain (trade deals without standards, insurance and subsidies for foreign investments) and allowing their deregulated cronies to steal us all blind. For working people they give us deregulated markets, sub-prime mortgages, no bid contracts in an unnecessary war, tax cuts for the wealthy, sky high prices, an undermined dollar, and bankruptcy reform that close the door on the poor and middle class.
Accusing Sen. Obama of elitism because he accurately describes the conditions and sentiments of large numbers of Americans (me included) keeps the focus off themselves and their policies which are designed to feed working people rhetoric while paying off their supporters.
I hope the people of America will wake up and start to vote their hope (and their economic interest) instead of their fears so we can put an end to these insider games. As long as they know that we will listen to their self serving rhetoric and not critically examine who their policies benefit they know we will never discover who the real elitists are. They will continue to divide and carry on with their agenda of stealing the country blind, economically enslaving not only this but future generations.
Anyone that is not concerned, bitter and disenchanted with the way this country has been and is being run has no love for it or has given up hope of ever having policies adopted that will work for them, effectively leaving their fate in the hands of God.

Posted by: James | April 14, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama was speaking that people are angry and fed up in Pennsylvania...just like they are in all of the midwest...people really need to find something real to say.

Posted by: gdc95 | April 14, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

"Well, we started to connect the dots in order to protect the American people." Bush told ABC News White House correspondent Martha Raddatz. "And yes, I'm aware our national security team met on this issue. And I approved."
Presdent Bush, responding to revelations of high-level discussions about "enhanced interrogation techniques" were so detailed, these sources said, some of the interrogation sessions were almost choreographed -- down to the number of times CIA agents could use a specific tactic.

These top advisers signed off on how the CIA would interrogate top al Qaeda suspects -- whether they would be slapped, pushed, deprived of sleep or subjected to simulated drowning, called waterboarding, sources told ABC news.
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/LawPolitics/Story?id=4635175

But let's blather on for a few more pages about how horrified we all are about Obama's comments, or the reactions to his comments. After all, that's the real story.

Posted by: Bret Harris | April 14, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

McCain - the man who dumped his first wife to marry money speaks of elitism. How hypocritical.

Posted by: Bob | April 14, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

It's too bad that nobody can just address the issue, instead of pointing fingers. The point is Obama has made many comments about certain segments of the country that he will need to represent as the President. If he is antagonistic or racist against these segments, he won't be able to do his job any better than McCain. That's the point. All the remaining 3 candidates are rich, elitists, and will continue the Royal Empire that is now America.

Posted by: KEB | April 14, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

47 year old white male detainee died while in US custody. Cause of death: Blunt Force Injuries and Asphyxia; Manner of Death: Homicide. Autopsy revealed deep bruising of the chest wall, numerous displaced rib fractures, bruising on the lungs, hemorrhage into the mesentery of the small and large intestine. Examination of the neck structures revealed hemorrhage into the strap muscles and fractures of the thyroid cartilage and hyoid bone. History of asphyxia, secondary to occlusion of the oral airway. Pleural and pulmonary adhesions. Hypertensive cardiovascular disease. According to report provided by the US army CID, the detainee was shackled to the top of a doorframe with a gag in his mouth at the time he lost consciousness and became pulseless. The severe blunt force injuries, the hanging position, and the obstruction of the oral cavity with a gag contributed to this individual's death. DOD 00329 refers to this case as "gagged in standing restraint" DOD 003329 refers to this case as "1 blunt force trama and choking; gagged in standing restraint." DOD 003324 refers to this case with a note indicating "Q[uestioned] by OGA [Other Governmental Agency - non-military, often refers to CIA], gagged in standing restraint."
http://action.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/102405/

Posted by: Bret Harris | April 14, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: canobamawin | April 14, 2008 3:15 PM
I never his statement was elitist. I don't know that it was and I'm not sure what elitist means. Also, having re-read his comments, I grant that they may be interpreted as discussing voting based on "wedge issues." But I make the same point. He's opining that people who vote their conscience, or vote based on a particular interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, do so out of frustration rather than based on principle. So instead pf asking about the dolphins and global warming, I'll ask whether liberals will vote based on "women's rights" or "minority rights" or "trial lawyer's rights" when they are economically frustrated? (These are all "wedge" voting blocks.)

I mean if it's unsulting to say someone who supports abortion rights will vote that issue only out of bitterness, it's just as insulting (and incorrect and stupid) to say a Catholic pro-lifer will vote they way do only because they feel ignored.

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You STILL miss the point. I can see why you feel the way you do but i beleive its because you still dont understand the point. Its not that catholics vote for pro-life SIMPLY because they are frustrated. Its the concept that pro-life may be THE ONLY thing they may vote for out of frustration. Its not their beleif or the WAY they vote. Its the idea that it might become the ONLY thing they vote for. Its the premise that the wedge issues become THE ONLY thing they may vote for because deep within them they may feel cynical about any of the other issues at hand and governments ability to address and solve those issues. Its not a bad premise. In fact its actually quite astute.

Posted by: feastorafamine | April 14, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"Detainee was found unresponsive restrained in his cell. Death was due to blunt force injuries to lower extremities complicating coronary artery disease.Contusions and abrasions on forehead, nose, head, behind ear, neck, abdomen, buttock, elbow, thigh, knee, foot, toe, hemorrhage on rib area and leg. Detainee died of blunt force injuries to lower extremities, complicating underlying coronary artery disease. The blunt force injuries to the legs resulted in extensive muscle damage, muscle necrosis and rhabomyolysis. Electrolyte disturbances primarily hyperkalemia (elevated blood potassium level) and metabolic acidosis can occur within hours of muscle damage. Massive sodium and water shifts occur, resulting in hypovolemic shock and casodilatation and later, acute renal failure. The decedent's underlying coronary artery disease would compromise his ability to tolerate the electrolyte and fluid abnormalities, and his underlying malnutrition and likely dehydration would further exacerbate the effects of the muscle damage. The manner of death is homicide [...]"
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Bret Harris | April 14, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Mason, I serve my country. You must be a freshman. Your choice of doctoral programs is your problem. I turned down an Econ program free ride because the job offered 40K. That's a personal choice.

Obama and his wife are corporate lawyers and limousine liberals. They are racist, leftist urbanites who have, at every corner, availed themselves of privilege, yet look down their noses at the middle and working classes.

Part of the "snob factor" in academia is that tenured faculty often launches into political posturing, rather than research and teaching. And when an election or "evolution" issue arises, some extremists launch into tirades about their favorite PC candidate, limiting the freedom of others.

Good luck to you, brother, I admire you hoeing the row. But stick to your field rather than "re-educating" the proletariats. Life will be a lot easier.

But for me, stop the rant that you own the country, and selfishly claim you love it while excluding others. That smacks of Obama. And America deserves better. Far better. But it is what it is.

Posted by: Clown | April 14, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama is big Goliath.. McCain is short David... Obama will get creamed with his arrogance and big proud attitude. EVen McCain with all his gold and riches is more humble down to earth guy. As far as corruption, even with Obama's short term in office, he has been exposed to scandals. What is a super liberal doing with a corrupt political fixer and slum lord like Rezko? Just imagine Obama in 20 years and plus $100,000,000 .. Tricky Dick Nixon will lose his fame and his name.

Posted by: David vs Goliath | April 14, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I don't care about these silly controversies. This November I am voting straight DEMOCRAT.

Posted by: Jill | April 14, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Yoni-
Oh, I get it. Past history doesn't matter whem it doesn't suit your narrative. Nothing fosters a great political dialouge like sticking your fingers in your ear and saying, "La La La! I can't hear you!"

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Weird, a bunch of liberals are bashing McCain for disputing the horrible things Obama said. You can talk about his homes all you want he still didnt mock individuals with faith and moral principles. Obama is an inexperienced idiot, obviously cant keep his horrible REAL beliefs from getting to the press. Any sensible person could have guessed it though. So say what you want, it doesnt matter because each of you probably agree with Obama; at the end of the day he still lost the votes of anyone with faith and morals.
Thanks Obama

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Mason: First, I never his statement was elitist. I don't know that it was and I'm not sure what elitist means. Also, having re-read his comments, I grant that they may be interpreted as discussing voting based on "wedge issues." But I make the same point. He's opining that people who vote their conscience, or vote based on a particular interpretation of the 2nd Amendment, do so out of frustration rather than based on principle. So instead pf asking about the dolphins and global warming, I'll ask whether liberals will vote based on "women's rights" or "minority rights" or "trial lawyer's rights" when they are economically frustrated? (These are all "wedge" voting blocks.)

I mean if it's unsulting to say someone who supports abortion rights will vote that issue only out of bitterness, it's just as insulting (and incorrect and stupid) to say a Catholic pro-lifer will vote they way do only because they feel ignored.

Posted by: canobamawin | April 14, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

This is a very special and dangerous moment in American Politics. Yesterday, Senator Clinton crossed the Rubicon by attacking the campaigns of Kerry and Gore. She has gone to war with the Democratic party. It is a coup attempt. Al Gore won in 2000. Kerry did his best. They were dignified candidates that Democrats can feel proud of. Gore won in reality, but he would have won better if the Clinton's had not maimed his candidacy. There needs to be some moral outrage within the Democratic party about this new development. Clinton is a Repubican at this stage, and people need to say it. Where are Pelosi, Reid, Schumer et al on this? If the Democrats don't stand up for this guy now they really deserve the future party implosion they are going to get.

Posted by: b ryan | April 14, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama Two Face,

Your comments are exactly what Senator Obama was addressing in his speech on race in Philadelphia. People like you keep saying Senator Obama plays the race card to his advantage. He never wanted to campaign to be about race. He wanted the campaign to stay on the issues because he knew he could do well as long as the focus was on the issues. Everyone else, CNN and its demographic voting polls, focused on race. Black Americans are voting for Senator Obama because they mostly vote democratic any way. They just feel his message and vision are better than Senator Clinton's. Tell me, what is Senator Clinton's CORE message? Can you tell me? I don't think she knows. You have heard everything come out of her campaign, experience, commander-in-chief, I've been vetted, big state winner, etc. What is her CORE message. You see, if I ask you what is Senator Obama's core message or Senator McCain's CORE message, you could tell me couldn't you? By-the-way, what was the point of your message?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Mason, please get back to class, Mrs. Schmedlap is looking for you. The "ghetto?" You mean, like the Warsaw Ghetto or the place near Midway Field? Or, like the "mean streets" of Hawaii, where Obama was raised? Or, like rural Mississippi or Harlem, pre-gentrification?

Yeah, Obama is a real down home sort of guy. I can see him rolling up his sleeves to bust a sweat at Habitat for Humanity or United Way.

Brad Pitt and Bill Gates, white boys extraordinaire, have done more for poor black folks than Michelle and Barack Obama have thought about doing.

Obama is Fake as a Three Dollar Bill

Posted by: Clown | April 14, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

How idiotic is this?! A guy whose impressive family military connections helped to get him into the Naval Academy (where he almost failed out), who married a beer heiress, who was partly responsible for obliterating people's life savings in the S&L crisis, and who owns eight homes has called someone elitist! Let alone an AA man who was raised by a single mom, did community work for out of work steel workers, and only recently paid off his own student loans. Good Grief!

Posted by: McSame Old Republican Anti-Inellectualism | April 14, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

So the guy calls everyone bitter and gun carrying and religious zealots and he makes a futile attempt to play bowling.

I mean, how much faker can he get?

When are we getting a pic of Obama playing badminton, or polo to finally see and the Obama-mites to realize this guy is nothing more than a ultra-left leaining liberal?

I bet the guy thinks the Chicago Cubs play in the pro-lacrosse league.

Posted by: Vic | April 14, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

OTF-
You're embarassing yourself because you parrot lies, decipts, and fabrication for no discernable purpose other than slander.

The comment I responded to said that because BHO's parents were both Ph.D.s and that makes him an elitist. The implication is The premise is wrong: his father never got his Ph.D, and his mother got hers long after BHO the younger outside of her orbit. Furthermore, the conlusion is wrong. Most Anthro (her) and Econ (him) PhD candidates are dirt poor. Graduate schools view them as cheap labor.

Your Orig. post says he's an elitist because he attened a private school in HI. Well, yes he did, on scholarship (ie, he couldn't pay) and while living with his grandparents (mom and stepdad were still in Nndonesia). Your conlusion doesn't follow, becuse of your omission of salient facts.

Your new post says he's an elitist because he's a "smarmy Harvard snob". Guess how he paid for that - loans and hard work. The evidence contradicts your conclusions. If we could all be so smarmy.

Leave, 28%er. Leave the country to those of us who love it.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Community organizer.. blah blah.. He never spend a whole day with a poor ghetto family.. Bastard lives in a 1.5 million dollar mansion in wealthy neighborhood of Chicago. He can thank his Syrian buddy Rezko for securing the property. The same man who helps organize Chicago's south side into poor, broken slum housing.. Way to go Obama, good work organizing your South Chicago brothers into little drug and gun infested slumhouses.

Are you calling me or Obama the clown? Personally, I think Obama would do better joining a circus then being president.. He keeps making me laugh, with his not-so-politically correct rhetoric.

Whitey is typical, gun-clinging and religious.. You tell Obama. You spoke the truth! About time.. They crucified our black Jesus.. Yeah Obama you are telling us how it is...

But Obama, if the neighboring Arabs, Persians, Turks and Syrians are white, why was Jesus black? Because, Jesus was oppressed and only black people can be oppressed, by white devils, not other way around.

Anyone, know that Hebrews were bunch of whiter skin people oppressed by some darker skin people called Egyptians. Did you know a darker race of people even enslaved a whiter race people, before blacks were ever slaves? How come Obama's Uncle/pastor cannot even keep his history accurate. Wonder if he also got into those coke parties at Harvard.

Posted by: Yoni | April 14, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

In the Opinion Journal today:

In Barack Obama's America, rich people who vote on cultural issues rather than economic self-interest are principled and self-sacrificing. People of more modest means who do so are credulous and bitter.

Posted by: Clark | April 14, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Let me see if I've got this straight: McCain, who voted for those incredible tax breaks for one-tenth of one percent (or some other ridiculous percentage) of filthy rich Americans, has the gall to call Obama elitist?

Yo' mama! Give me Obama (in a heartbeat).

Posted by: loulor | April 14, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: FH
The problem with your argument "feastorfamine" is that you give Obama a pass on his association with religion, guns etc. and bitterness. Religion, guns etc., have been core issues for Middle-America for generations.
Not to mention...demagoging trade agreements, Nafta and the like, have been a huge part of Obama's talking points throughout the campaign. So not only does Obama seem like the standard elitist dem., but he looks like a hypocrite for using the same wedge issues as he tries to paint himself as a populist
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First off my posting is not an "argument." The premise that it is right away is part of the problem. Shocking is that conservative or liberal alike you seem unable to adress ANY of my observations or thoughts on the quote. Instead you accuse Obama of "using the same wedge issues" How is that? Oh i get it because Obama feels the need to finally address the issue of race then he is playing the "race card?"
These core issues you descibe are indeed core issues. What you fail to realize is that in many instances they are WEDGE issues. Dont you get it? Did you even read my post? WEDGE issues. They are most often "thumbs up or thumbs down" issues. By their very nature they devide. They force the particpant to chooose, this or that. By asking voters to do just that you can marginalize ther voting power. Obama rightly points out that after becoming jaded and tired with the ineffectiveness of goverment that these wedge issues become more powerful and more influencial. You mentioning of NAFTA is a very relevant point. See why its relevant is because its actually IN Obamas quote. Fair trade does become an issue to voters who feel like their goverment has abandoned them. Fair trade becomes a wide target and perhaps rightly so to cynical voters. Voters in PA and in many blue collar regions are all too familiar with the term outscourcing. IT DOES BECOME AN ISSUE BECAUSE ITS WHAT IS LEFT FOR THEM TO RAIL AGAINST. Again probably rightly so. I am not going to bother respoding to you. The reason is you seem more interested in bashing someone than actually talking about thre merits of his quote. I get it. Obama is evil, you wont be voting for him. Great fine. I am not out to change your mind. My postings are meant for honest FACTAUL, SOURCED, and intelligent discussion. Not a booger flinging contest.

Posted by: feastorafamine | April 14, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I didn't realize today's doctoral candidates had this much time. Or, you must be faculty. Ivory Tower hit too close to home?
And I guarantee you aren't hard science either. BSME MSME PhD

Go build something other than a chip on your shoulder. Or, an anti-American self-loathing.

Posted by: Ivory Tower Two Face | April 14, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I will re-state what a few others stated on this blog. It is very interesting that Senator Obama is in a two front race. He has to defend himself from his own party member, her highness, and from the true rival, McBush. How can any one vote this man into the white house is beyond me and I USE TO BE a supporter of McCain. Then he sold out to the Bush administration and only now is he and his supporters trying to reclaim the McCain of old. Too late, his true, flip-flopping colors have shown.

Hilary Clinton. She acts as though she is McCain's VP candidate. She would rather give the GOP ammunition for the Fall and lose the White House than just stay on her own message which she was miraculously able to do the previous two weeks. Now, she jumps on a true comment and tries to spin it along with the media into something it is not. I think this is going to back fire on her. Her campain is ridiculous now.

Yes, their tag team is going to blow up on the both of them but it is really going to hurt Senator Clinton. It is going to hurt her more because she is sounding like a republican not a democrat.

Posted by: Citizen AJ | April 14, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

If "bitter" is where the line in the sand gets drawn, go for it Mr. McCain!

Posted by: Spectator | April 14, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

McCain said people's economic problems are just physiological. What is more elitist than that? I bet he doesn't even feel the pinch of gas prices, grocery prices, and tuition all going up when he's wearing a 100 million dollar coat.

Posted by: Paula | April 14, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama was a community organizer on the South Side of Chicago. That's the ghetto. Clown.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Poor McCain - he had a crippled wife. That makes it worse, not better.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Mason, the truth hurts, doesn't it, little buddy? Obama led a sheltered, privileged life, and despises the working class, but puts on his homie suit to "organize the masses." He's the smarmy Harvard snob, in two tone. The buffoons of San Fran and Cambridge and Berkeley fall for bull. And the AA population will vote the race card in perfect Democratic conformity.

Recall the last election, when the shrill voices of the Left proclaimed Kerry, the Ivy Prepster, some kind of intellectual compared to Bush. Then, we found the GPAs: Bush 2.77 Kerry 2.76
HaHaHaHaHaHa. I love it.

Obama and Michelle earned 1.7 mill in one year. But they are the Po Black Foke right?

Please also give us a break on his alleged intelligence. He played not only his race card for admission, but his Umma Daddy legacy card.

Book smart, street dumb.

A partner here just lost an election after a better undergrad and Harvard Law.

Why? The snob factor. Not since Dershowitz has someone so arrogant and "wise" turned out to be so dumb.

I'll stop "emarassing" myself with facts.

Posted by: Obama Two Face | April 14, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

David -
Money begets influence. Argue that.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

FH -
WTF are you saying, mate? That he's using economics as a "wedge" issue? People should be voting on economics, not the fear that candidate X is gonna take thier guns and turn their kids into queer athiest abortion-docs. Commerce and industry keep the conuntry going. The rest is entertainment.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I don't see the logic in equating "rich" with "elitist," as Jerry, Linda, TheOracle, BaselBob, et al., do in order pin that epithet on McCain. Elitism is an attitude and as such is independent of how many homes one owns or which tax bracket one is in. There are much stronger arguments you guys could be making to defend your candidate than these ad hominem attacks.

e·lit·ism
-noun
1. practice of or belief in rule by an elite.
2. consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group.

Posted by: David | April 14, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Mason-
I forgot Obama is the epitome of morality. What use of divorcing the woman who help fund your political office. I don't condone McCain for what he did, nor do I think any polticial candidate is great. But I am sure Obama would not stay with Michelle if she was crippled and needing his full time support. In fact, Obama is the crippled one who was leaning on his wife's financial support. Her salary was more than his.. There relationship was busines from the start.. Look he met his wife at a business meeting where he won her heart. Sounds like a romantic relationship. SUre he had his credentials and business portfolio handy on the first date, she needed to make sure he was husband material.

A true non-elitist couple. Lets say Michelle was cripped lady who Obama had to support the rest of his life, prevent him from engaging in his political career. I am takling before he became famous and in the spotlight. Yeah, of course Obama would have stayed, Yeah right. He probably would not have even left her a dime.. The same way him and Michelle don't give a dime to charity..

I am a "typical white person" and have probably donated more of my time (prior to running to office) to help black people in Africa, then Obama.

FYI.. Obama never spent much time in ghettoes of USA or the jungles of africa. If he goes to Africa, it will be Nairobi Hilton guarded by a bunch of "typical white" secret servicemen, if he goes to Compton, California, it is in an armored vehicle.

I think Michelle would cry and scream at the site of African village.. A hole? You people use a hole.. ugh.. hey i am a "typical white person", but I used that smelly unsightly hole.. that is African toilet. I wonder has Pastor Wright ever used a traditional african toilet?

Damn Obamacrites.

Posted by: Yoni | April 14, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

When you have the Obama campaign getting a "free pass" when using the "race card" against people like Liberal icon Geraldine Ferraro, McCain won't have a chance during the general election: anything he says will be branded "racism". Don't believe me? Well, not only do we have the Geraldine Ferraro situation, but when Hillary praised President Johnson for signing the Civil Rights Act that, too, was turned into a racial flap, an insult to MLK, remember that? Now, if you take word by word of what Hillary said there is nothing racist about it:

"And then he worked with President Johnson to get the civil rights laws passed, because the dream couldn't be realized until finally it was legally permissible for people of all colors and backgrounds and races and ethnicities to be accepted as citizens."

If you ask me, the Obama campaign has run a very cynical campaign by turning harmless statements into racial ones thru spin, then stirring everyone up-- sounds like the Marion Barry playbook of DC politics.

Posted by: Fred | April 14, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

The problem with your argument "feastorfamine" is that you give Obama a pass on his association with religion, guns etc. and bitterness. Religion, guns etc., have been core issues for Middle-America for generations.
Not to mention...demagoging trade agreements, Nafta and the like, have been a huge part of Obama's talking points throughout the campaign. So not only does Obama seem like the standard elitist dem., but he looks like a hypocrite for using the same wedge issues as he tries to paint himself as a populist.

Posted by: FH | April 14, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

One more thing: @ Ivory Tower Two Face

Most people working on a Ph.D. barely have a pot to piss in and a window to throw it out of! Getting a Ph.D. doesn't automatically mean you're going to be rich!!! Not all disciplines throw money at its graduates!!! If you knew anything about working and living in many parts of Africa and East Asia, you might spend your last dollar to get there, and unless you are hobnobbing with the vacationers, you will most likely be BROKE!!! These people oftentimes work with with villagers, townspeople, and children; they have some type of roof over your head and the people endeavor to feed and clothe them as best they can. But, these Ph.Ds aren't RICH or living it up on a high-five or six figure income! (Hell, they're lucky if they get a low five-figure income - or any income at all!!)

Now, if YOU have a Ph.D. and are speaking from your own experience, then acknowledge that. If you don't have one, aren't working on one, and haven't worked on one, then you don't really know what you're talking about!!!

Posted by: dnd | April 14, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

At a San Francisco fund raiser Obama said: You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. So it's not surprising then that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

Did he mean what he said? The unemployment rate is about 5 percent according the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. In 1989, the Justice Department reported in the Bureau of Justice Statistics, Sourcebook of Criminal Justice Statistics -- 1990, 250,000 Americans owned guns. In other words, as much as 70 percent of the population owned guns. A 2002 study by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, found that 78.percent of the population adheres to Christianity. Perhaps 10 percent adheres to Judaism and other religions.

Percent of gun ownership and adherence to religion far exceeds the unemployment rate. Obama's contention, therefore that job loss is the reason people cling to guns and religion does not make sense.

Obama formulate what he would say carefully. The words, "or antipathy to people who aren't like them" suggests a confirmation of his allegation that bitterness over job loss is the reason people cling to guns or religion.

It is instructive to consider who Obama was talking to. It was a fundraiser among San Francisco elites. These people are likely to be of the same mind as Obama. In this situation we can expect he would be more candid that if he were talking to and audience that does not share his world views.

The San Francisco elites have been bitter over the loss of John Kerry to George Bush in 2004, even thought winning in an election can never be guaranteed in a republic. It is likely Obama transferred bitterness over election defeat to alleged bitterness over loss of jobs.

Given these facts, we can conclude Obama meant what he said.

Is mainstream America bitter? There are no facts to support Obama's contention. Americans are upbeat and positive. A few weeks ago a psychologist wrote a paper for politico.com wherein she provided the results of a study of Obama. She concluded he is a bitter, anti- corporate man. Is it any surprise that since Obama may be bitter, that he might also assume most Americans are bitter, and that he might jump to this conclusion without performing a survey?

Does mainstream America cling to guns? Most of the guns in America are sporting weapons. Americans do not cling to sporting weapons any more than skiers cling to their skis. Those who keep guns as anti-crime deterrents do not cling to their guns either. They keep the guns in a drawer, maybe loaded, maybe not loaded, and forget about the gun. They go on with their lives.
Do people cling to religion because they are bitter? It more likely people have faith that is positively motivated. Their faith is not motivated by fear or bitterness. People who attend churches are happy, and uplifting. On the other hand, the San Francisco elites, and perhaps Obama, blame too many of the world ills on religion, and particularly on Christianity and Judaism.

Posted by: gliderpilot | April 14, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

LOL at all the Obama-mites trying to defend their candidate.

-- Oooh, McCain and Hillary make more money, so they are more elitist (ho much does Bill Gates make and I bet he's more down to earth than Obama, yeah, a undergrad drop out makes more than an Ivy League educated lawyer)

-- Oooh, McCain has 8 houses. Obama is doing quite nicely and going up the society ladder quite well as his political ambitions increased.

--- Oooh, the Clintons made 109 mill since Bill left office. 105 to charity, 30% in taxes, 12mill to pay legal fees. Obama's income also increased as he became a better known figure, and Michelle's too - 100% salary increase as soon as Barak gained his US Senate seat.

Folks might be upset at the way the country is doing now, but they do not, as a result cling on to religion (of course unless they go to United Trinity where they can listen to all the hate fueled speech they want and be cool with it), nor do they cling on to guns (some people actually do like to hunt for sport, not everyone is a VT killer waiting to happen) as a result of that frusteration.

The fact that he made that statement in San Fran doesnt help either. I bet he doesnt make that comment at some Union meeting in PA.

Posted by: Vic | April 14, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Campaign reporters presenting donuts to the candidate they're ostensibly covering objectively? Tell me: What's wrong with this picture?

Posted by: Doofus | April 14, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama was right in what he said. People do have reasons to be bitter. Maybe at different times in their lives, they feel bitter towards the government, the country etc. They might turn to drugs, guns, church or whatever. Obama said nothing wrong. He shouldn't apologize for it. Obama '08 all the way.

Posted by: Marlene | April 14, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

obama might not be an elitist but he sure is a liar.

Posted by: gary | April 14, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Sovine08
What John McCain an "Elitist"??? Why because his father and grandfather decided to spend their entire careers SERVING AND PROTECTING this country??? Or was it because he decided to serve this country HIMSELF? Maybe it's the fact that instead of trying to get some safe desk job in Washington, McCain became a naval pilot in a time of war, flying combat missions where he was shot down??? Or how about the fact while a POW they offered him an early release but McCain turned them down saying he would only accept the offer if every man taken in before him was released as well. Just curious, which one of these attibutes do you think makes John McCain the most "Eiltist"???

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Great thanks AGAIN for pointing out McCains noble service. And your point is???? You want to know why McCain is an elitist? How about McCain finished 894th out of 899 at the Naval Academy, and ONLY got in because of his FATHER. Elitist. McCain was BOTTOM 2% at Naval Academy. BOTTOM 2%!! Once again he ONLY got in because of his father. Want more reasons? How about making Bush's tax cuts for the top 2% permanent? How about Keating Five? All these examples benefit the FEW. Ie: elitist.

Posted by: feastorafamine | April 14, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Yoni-
He'd need to divorce her first - somethin he hasn't done and McCain has. But while we're discussing mights, don't forget that she's a lawyer, too.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Matt:

DEMOCRALYPSE NOW!!!

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

When something like this little media fanned firestorm happens, I like to go closer to the source. There is an op-ed in today's Philadelphia Inquirer. Read it and comments about Obama's "bitter" comment. This comment mightin Fact win him the state. I think it's pretty clear that he is being attacked by HRC and McCain for hitting the nail on the head. As we say where I grew up, in Nebraska, if you put lipstick on a pig, it's still a pig. http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080414_John_Baer__Decades_of_working-class_neglect_-_now_that_s_insulting.html

Posted by: ethel | April 14, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Elitist?? Wow!!! McBush is too old to run, as he is clearly delusional.

Posted by: Che | April 14, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse


Two Faced Obama -
That was me:
Read the farkking links, fool. His "elite schooling" was a scholarship, and he lived with his grandparents.
His father never got his Ph.D., only an AM (harvar speak for MA), and left to pursue it when Obama was 2, and only saw his son once again at 10.
His mother got her Ph.D. in, wait for it.... 1992.

I merely posted those links to counter the blatant non-sensical lies that tend to get spread about BHO's biography and family. I'd suggest you read them and stop emarassing yourself.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"It's not the "bitter" part about Obama's remark that is most problematic.

It's the part that those people who are bitter "cling" to guns, religion, anti-immigrant, anti-trade sentiment.

That's rude, insensitive, elitist, statement."

That claim is ONLY true IF telling the TRUTH is a rude, insensitive, elitist, statement.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

That's why Democrats want to shut you up if you oppose the global warming hoax, abortion on demand, gun control, government imposed atheism, promiscuity among children, or whatever else it is they're into these days. That's why they invented political correctness.

Instead, liberals think that all Americans should just sign on to Obama's "progressive values" and happily accept their welfare check, stay dependent on big government, and vote Dem in every election.

Well, that's not gonna happen and the wishes of all the out of touch Ivy League professors in the world aren't going to make it so.

Posted by: Real Americans | April 14, 2008 2:34 PM

I think Senator Obama was talking about bitter, not willfully ignorant and deeply prejudiced, people. Is Ron Paul still running? I think you need to go there, real Amuurican...

Posted by: LABC | April 14, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Its gotten to the point where Obama supporters don't even put out meaningful responses. This has nothing to do with Iraq or how Old McCain is.

Posted by: Natstural | April 14, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

All right - I have to say this to the Obama haters NOW before I scream!!! Besides getting good grades, Obama got into Harvard (and Michelle into Princeton) for one major reason: they were LEGACIES!!! Now, I don't know which of you have ever applied to college; for those of you who haven't, there is a section on VIRTUALLY EVERY COLLEGE APPLICATION - whether it's an Ivy League school, state school, or even a community college - where they ask you if your parents have attended or are currently attending that institution (you can also include other relatives and friends). If you answer YES, and can provide NAMES and DATES, then you will most likely receive additional consideration as a LEGACY. (This is ESPECIALLY TRUE if your parent, relative, or friend have since contributed financially to the institution; however, it is also applicable if they got good grades, received their degree, showed strong school support, and stayed out of trouble.) Given the emphasis we've placed on getting a college education these days, most of us should be related to (or well acquainted with) at least one person with a degree (or working on one). Should you or I choose to apply to that same institution, we too can tap into the "legacy" angle by virtue of that relationship (although the latest stories indicate that being a legacy - even in Ivy League schools - doesn't have quite the same cachet as it did 15 years ago).

Harvard is an excellent school, and its alumni should definitely be proud. But, before you start assuming that Obama has his nose in the air because he went there, just remember one thing: legacy. If you think that still makes him elitist, then that's your call - just remember, though, that the "legacy" moniker can apply even if you go to less prestigious institution. (I guess that makes middle class folk who get to the same state university as their family members or relatives "elitist" as well?)

Posted by: dnd | April 14, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

SENATOR MCCAIN HAS BEEN RIDING OUT AS THE YOUNG PEOPLE WOULD SAY. HE HAS HAD A FREE RIDE. THE MEDIA'S DARLING IF I MAY SAY SO. WHO IS PROTECTING HIM MAKES YOU WONDER. I DO WON DER WHY HE DECLINED THE INVITATION FORM CNN NEWS TO APPEAR ON THE RELIGIOUS FORUM WITH SENATORS CLINTON AND OBAMA. OH WELL YOU CAN RUN, BUT WE ALL KN OW YOU CAN'T HIDE. ONCE SENATOR OBAMA SPANKS SENATOR CLINTON AND THE SPOTLIGHT IS ON SENATOR OBAMA AND SENATOR MCCAIN. I THINK THE WHOLE WORLD WILL FIND OUT THE ELEVATOR FROM THE SHAFT. ENJOY THE RIDE SENATOR MCCAIN WHILE IT LASTS. DAVID IS NOT ONLY GOING TO DEFEAT GOLIATH, BUT DAVID IS GOING TO BECOME KING. DAVID MEANING PRESIDENT OBAMA. YES THE OBAMA EXPRESS LIVES ON.

Posted by: RICK | April 14, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

"Any candidate offering to ban guns will lose the general election."

Doesn't matter if you like it or not, it is true."

I didn't say ban guns but I won't mind if they are. Al Gore was very anti-gun and he won the popular vote in 2000. Charles Schummer and many other Senators and Reps have won many elections and they are anti-gun. Obama is anti-gun and he is doing extremely well. McCain is not too pro-gun and he won the Republican nomination. Hillary is flip-flopping with the issue for her benefit but she and her husband are really anti-gun. This is NOT a good election for gun owners!~

Posted by: schoolmaster209 | April 14, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Mason-
Would Barack even pay alimony to his wife? He probably try to sue his wife for alimony and then blame it all on his white grandmother.

Posted by: Yoni | April 14, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

It's not the "bitter" part about Obama's remark that is most problematic.

It's the part that those people who are bitter "cling" to guns, religion, anti-immigrant, anti-trade sentiment.

That's rude, insensitive, elitist, statement.

Even if it were "true", which it's not, it's just an opinion, we know that's it's rude and elitist because if it weren't, he'd turn it into a campaign theme, or repeat it.

Which he won't, he'll run for cover.

He won't say it again.

Not because people can't handle an opinion, it's because people don't like to be insulted by presidential candidates.

Posted by: Comment | April 14, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Poor, poor Obama. Those mean people. They're the elitists. They're the racists. They are the really really rich ones. Not me.

Grow up, Obama and Crew.

Posted by: Obama Is A Fraud | April 14, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

What cracks me up is that when it suited conservative pundits, they would wax eloquent about the "angry white male", the alienated blue collar worker who was being ignored and side-lined. Whole news segments would be devoted to going to diners and pool-halls to hear about this segment. Now a democratic candidate makes a truthful and eloquent point about not only this segment, but about a lot of people in this country, and some posters think you have a "gotcha" moment? Puleasse, what sheltered rock did you guys climb out of?

Posted by: LABC | April 14, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama is bone-headed and a jerk. Sorry for being blunt, lets diffuse the hard sentiment and try to simplify the convoluted posts..

People are "bitter" cause of loss of jobs.. OK .. case closed

People "cling to religion, guns and hate foreigenrs"..

What huh???? Oh Obama there he goes against insulting those "Typical White People". Looks like Uncle Wright taught u well, keep it up son.. You forgot to mention how they crucified your black Jesus, those gun-toting religious white folk.

Hey... How did religion and day of hunting for elk get into a conversation about economy? Obama you snorted one line to many in college.. u bozo..

Lets see John McCain say the same words about black people in slums of Chicago or Gary, Indiana.. They are bitter, cling to religion or guns.. He be more accurate.. Black people from ghetto do cling to religion and guns to show hatred for their enemy.. That is OBama problem, he thinks people in middle america think like him, he obviously never been to that side of the country..

Obama should step our of his arrogant "black elitist" closed society he clings to and come spend a day with some "Typical White People". How come those bitter white people who funded his college education and are the main reason for his political career always get the short end of the stick. I mean, grandma made him cringe, his drunk, cheating african father who abandoned him is the audacity of hope? This guy is a crackpot.

Posted by: Yoni | April 14, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

It's so exciting watching the Demcrat Party come apart at the seams. Karma is getting the best of liberals everywhere. When it's all said and done, America will be proud of John McCain as it's next President, and a collective sigh of relief will be felt for evading the outright misery that a BO of HillBilly administration would bring.

GO MCCAIN 2008!!!

Posted by: Matt | April 14, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

All you dolt liberals can't have it both ways.

Elitists like Obama try to take away gun rights and people are just supposed to ignore that and vote Dem anyway?

Liberal activists try to impose their anti-family San Francisco values on the rest of America, and people are just supposed to ignore that and vote Dem anyway?

ACLU types sue local governments all over the country because high school students want to pray, and people are just supposed to ignore that and vote Dem anyway?

Democrats roll out the welcome mat to countless illegal Americans who don't want to assimilate and are a net drain on our public resources and people are just supposed to ignore that and vote Dem anyway?

Democrats everywhere tell white people that lesser qualified blacks should get that spot in the elite college, the promotion, or the public contract, for NO OTHER REASON than the color of their skin, and people are just supposed to ignore that and vote Dem anyway?

But, people are rightly concerned about family values, gun rights, the lives of children, judicial imposition of the radical homosexual agenda, national security, illegal immigration, as well as economic security. Liberals just don't want people to vote on these things BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY WILL LOSE THE ELECTION. They lose because they're in the electoral minority.

That's why Democrats want to shut you up if you oppose the global warming hoax, abortion on demand, gun control, government imposed atheism, promiscuity among children, or whatever else it is they're into these days. That's why they invented political correctness.

Instead, liberals think that all Americans should just sign on to Obama's "progressive values" and happily accept their welfare check, stay dependent on big government, and vote Dem in every election.

Well, that's not gonna happen and the wishes of all the out of touch Ivy League professors in the world aren't going to make it so.

Posted by: Real Americans | April 14, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Scott
McCain's father and grandfather were four-star Admirals. If anyone is an 'Elitist' it is John McCain

What John McCain an "Elitist"??? Why because his father and grandfather decided to spend their entire careers SERVING AND PROTECTING this country??? Or was it because he decided to serve this country HIMSELF? Maybe it's the fact that instead of trying to get some safe desk job in Washington, McCain became a naval pilot in a time of war, flying combat missions where he was shot down??? Or how about the fact while a POW they offered him an early release but McCain turned them down saying he would only accept the offer if every man taken in before him was released as well. Just curious, which one of these attibutes do you think makes John McCain the most "Eiltist"???

Posted by: Sovine08 | April 14, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey Marc christopher...

Already he has advocated bombing Iran, and retracted it;advocating invading Pakistan,

I think you're a little light on facts. But, you do know that shortly after Obama made the comment on Pakistan and was raked over the coals for that statement, that our government did exactly what he had stated, and took out a high level terrorist. Thanks for proving a point - Obama is ahead of all the others. He thinks forward while the other two old pols are locked into the wrong-headed thinking of the past. this recent hysteria is just more evidence of the case. I guess Clinton and McSame would rather continue pandering with lies - the american public should start getting used to being spoken to as adults. Judging from the postings here though, it seems like many just can't handle it.

Posted by: Julie | April 14, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Hey anon 2:14 pm.

Obama was no poor black child:


Four years later when Barack (commonly known throughout his early years as "Barry") was ten, he returned to Hawaii to live with his maternal grandparents, Madelyn and Stanley Dunham, and later his mother (who died of ovarian cancer in 1995).

He was enrolled in the fifth grade at the esteemed Punahou Academy, graduating with honors in 1979. He was only one of three black students at the school.

Meantime, Barack's father had won a scholarship that allowed him to leave Kenya pursue his dreams in Hawaii. At the time of his birth, Obama's parents were students at the East-West Center of the University of Hawaii at Manoa.

Obama's parents separated when he was two years old and later divorced. Obama's father went to Harvard to pursue Ph.D. studies and then returned to Kenya.

Must have been tough, private schools, Columbia, Harvard. A real rags to riches story.

Posted by: Two Faced Obama | April 14, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line, Obama will be our next president as you all know (and some of you are afraid of). Billary is over done, and McSame will be exposed for the half-wit elitst he is.

Posted by: Maggie | April 14, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Yoni -
Dunno about how much McCain would pay to have his legs back.

Would it be more or less than the alimony to the wife he dumped after he got back?

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

UGH!!! If the author had taken the nominal effort to just print the text of Obama's message, rather than waste space trying to NOT print the full context, we would have something intelligent to read.

Millionaire McCain calling somsone else 'elitist' - He has much more experience as an elitist tam Obama, so we probably should respect his judgment.

Support McCain for 4 more Bush years!

Posted by: Steve Oday | April 14, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

willobamawin - That's not what he said, you half-wit.

The context was an explanation of Blue-collar rural Reagan Democrats voting against their economic intrest. He said people don't trust politicians to help them economically in depressed areas because they've been so hammered down, lied to, and generally abused. This bitteress causes them to generally ignore econmic issues when going to the polls and makes them susceptible to voting on wedge issues (God, Guns, and Gays). Guess what: He's right on all counts.

Jesus, he didn't say that "clinging" to religion, guns, or community is a bad thing, just that people do because it's familiar. When times get tough (and they are in these towns), people go with what, and who they know, even if if might be detrimental in the long run. Where's the elitism? I just don't get it.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

If the super elitist, most conservative, drug enhanced, Rush Limbaugh is advocating the Republicans in Penn State cross vote for Hillary, what does that tell you? Goard head, let me hear your stupfying answer????

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing elitist about stating the obvious. How many years have we been talking about this Red-Blue malignancy that has plagued American politics, with its deep-rooted backwoods idealogy impacting genuine progressive reform? I suspect that it is Mr. Obama's pragmatism that people are fearing: it's very possible -despite eight years of simplistic, primate politics- that we still are not ready for critical analysis.

Posted by: joneshn | April 14, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Money doesn't always matter.. Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are richer than anyone running for political office. Yet, they still donate a great amount to charities.. What would Obama do with this kind of money? Well a report was published that Obama and his wife donated much less to chairty than the average American with their salary. It is reported that Obama did not start donating to charity until he starting making his run for president and began making a slight increase in his run for president.

Both Hillary and McCain donated much greater percentage to charity.

As for elitist.. I wonder how much McCain would pay to have his legs fixed? The damage from being tortured is irreversible.. I am sure he would have loved to not have permanent body damage.. Perhaps he should have just stayed in college smoked weed and snorted coke like Obama.. Then he could have lived the suffering life of a poor black man in USA and known what it was like to be a true American, not an Elitist.

Posted by: Yoni | April 14, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

http://www.philly.com/philly/polls/17657034.html

Take a look at this unscientific poll about how some people in PA feel about Obama's comment 2/3's seem to think he was merely speaking truth. We all know that truthiness can be dangerous. If Obama gets through our election gauntlet, we might have a person capable of being candid and thoughtful in office, even if from time to time there is a gaff.

Posted by: ethel | April 14, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." FULL speech here...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mayhill-fowler/obama-exclusive-audio-on_b_96333.html (33:20-36:07 for further context)
The meaning.......The wedge issues typically used by Republicans in past election cycles (Guns, Religion, Gays, Immigration), is how and why many small town voters eventually express their frustration with government. The list he provides, "Guns or religion, anti-immigrant sentiment, anti trade sentiment" are VOTING habits. Meaning they become the ISSUES that people vote for instead of the more inclusive and frankly more important issues. The translation is that after sooo much apathy, mistrust of government, a feeling that government doesn't speak to them, cannot help them, sadly all too often all that is left are these wedge issues. The sentiment is that they have, in many respects given up on effectiveness of government with the important policies (Jobs, Healthcare etc) and then become easier to sway with those wedge issues. Katrina is yet another example of how many people have become jaded with government. After all where were they when they were needed? Wedge issues are simply platforms. Abortion...pro-life, pro-choice...yes or no. Gay marriages...yes or no? Guns, more freedom to own and less regulation to do so....or more regulation and less access to some guns....yes or no. They are "Thumbs up or thumbs down" type policies. After the apathy Obama describes settles in, he accurately points out that in many instances these wedge issues seem more "realistic," more upfront, more of a reason to choose a candidate. After all, why not choose a candidate in this fashion given that the rest of the issues are seemingly a pipe dream? One only has to look at this current nomination process to see evidence of that. Gender and Race, gender and race. Sound bites, quotes out of context, binding the words of surrogates to the candidates they represent. The bitterness he describes is real. Our government is broken, people are disillusioned, cynical, and quite frankly sick of the status quo. Real change seems to be the catch phrase resonating with voters, even McCain and Romney had the gall to include "change" in their stump speeches and placards. Obama rightly points out that the real issues, have in too many instances, been abandoned out of apathy and cynicism and what is often left are the wedge issues. The irony is that with enough focus on this quotation we are actually doing exactly as he describes in the quote. With our focus on the parsing of words we actually instill the type of apathy and knee-jerk wedge issue voting he characterizes. We become what he describes, after all doesn't the debate over a paragraph without its context become simply a wedge issue bumper sticker? Sorry if Obama's message isn't well received. Sorry if the truth he speaks, without the much needed context, leaves a bad taste in your mouth. God forbid.....and speaking of God, lets get back to religion, gender, race, guns, and gays. Its sooo much easier than having to think, apply context or dare I say it, actually find the intended meaning.

Posted by: feastorafamine | April 14, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama can't win the general election. Face it Obama is a 46 year-old black man with a strange name. He cannot win against an American hero like McCain. Sad but true...

Posted by: Republicans Rfor the Rich | April 14, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS NO PAUPER. BETWEEN HIS SENATE SALARY AND THE BIG BUCKS HIS WIFE MAKES, HER SALARY WAS DOUBLED SOON AFTER HE BAECAME SENATOR AND THE BOOK DEALS.... THEY ARE ALSO RAKING IT IN. THEY ARE ELITIST MILLIONAIRES. THEY ALSO SHOW HORRIBLE CHARACTER AND LACK OF JUDGEMENT IN PICKING THEIR FRIENDS, THEIR CHURH AND THEIR WORDS ON HOW THEY DESCRIBE THE ONES NOT LOADED LIKE THEM. THEY NEVER SUFFERRED ANY OF THE HARDSHIPS COMMON FOLKS HAVE. THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZING WAS A SHAM TO GET CREDENTIALS TO RUN FOR OFFICE. IF PEOPLE WERE LOOKING THEY COULD SEE THAT CLEARLY. DUMP THIS BITTER PHONY BEFORE HE DOES SERIOUS DAMAGE.

Posted by: TAHIRN | April 14, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Wow, Obama earned $1.7 million in one year, and calls the Clintons rich? Let's see, 109 divided by 8, at age 60, equals?
1.7 mil at age 41 per year equals? Oh, right, he slashed income the year before running for Prez. He's barely getting by. Wow, he's the leastest elitist I can see.

Posted by: Barack Jacques Shellack | April 14, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Ivory Tower Two Face-
You're a clown with bad info. Stop spreading lies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama%2C_Sr.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I get it now..when the phone rings in the white house at 3:AM Hillary will be too tired to respond and Obama will ask permission to give an answer, then a clarification, then a retraction, and then an opportunity to fire the switchboard operator.

Posted by: marc Christophe | April 14, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

The person above who asks whether liberals turn to save the dolphin and global warming meetings when they are bitter makes the point precisely. All you defending Obama's comments as "true" DON'T GET IT EITHER. The notion that people turn to religious or guns or even racism out of economic frustration (and not for other reasons, far more personal) is absurd and insulting to the religious and gun owners. It's just plain ignorant as an explanation for racism. It's just the same old left-leaning dribble (I understand why you are the way you are even if I disagree with you). This entire episode makes me think, for the first time, that Obama might actually lose.

Posted by: willobamawin | April 14, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Elitist? This from a man who owns eight, count 'em, eight homes?
Whose bank account is twenty times that of Obama?

Yeah, right.

Posted by: napperfat | April 14, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

and now for the real question:

Who is more in line with reality?
Hillary Clinton describing being under sniper fire in Bosnia,

or Barack Obama describing Pennyslvanians as bitter as a result of a decade of poor governance?

I'll let you ponder that one.

Posted by: mouma694
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Her sniper comment and Obama saying they will not vote for him because he is black are both stupid statements.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama just had his Maccaca moment. He created, it is caught on tape and will be repeated forever. Obama is out of touch with Americans and he is an elitist. He says that Americans have gotten bitter and cling to their guns and religion and have antipathy for those that are different from them.

Senator Obama a reverse racist just like Rev. Wright. Obama shows such distain for the American working class just like Rev. Wright. Obama wants our votes but hates our culture. I believe Obama was brainwashed in Rev. Wright's church and it shows in Obama's campaign. Obama is two faced and can't be trusted.

Now Obama is blaming Hillary Clinton for pointing out what he said. Well words do matter. It is about one week until the Pennsylvania primary and Obama will never be able to recuperate from this elitist attitude statement.

All the other primaries are in gun carrying states. Voters see Obama's true colors now and can get a chance to still vote.

Clinton needs to go all the way to the convention so the delegates can elect her. Obama can not win in November now. He had his maccaca moment.

Posted by: Grace | April 14, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

WHEN did Murdoch buy the Post??

Stories like this and others in the WaPo over the last few months is emerging proof that the WaPo is NOTHING more than another hate-media dumping ground.

This story is NOT NEWS - it's CRAP!

As one of your previous comments put it Dubya + Torture = 133
Obama+Bitterness = 112..

GET A GRIP! The OTHER Washington Post broke the Watergate story on a LOT less evidence than the President getting up and ADMITTING ON TV WITH ABC that he OK's torture!!

YOU GUYS ARE LOSERS!!!

Posted by: RB-Chicago | April 14, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

"Any candidate offering to support guns lose my vote."

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Any candidate offering to ban guns will lose the general election.

Doesn't matter if you like it or not, it is true.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

it's elitist to run for the presidency when ya don't know, or care, about the economy. and to send americans to their deaths so your lobbyist friends can earn a bit more.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama's Freudian slip regarding his view of American voters has already drawn his latest " I misspoke" retraction. Really? Isn't it amazing how racist/elitist comments by Democrats are so readily forgiven while Trent Lott's (or any other Republican's) remarks are "proof of closet racism" that demand removal from office? The steady parade of retractions, rebukes, clarifications and apologies from Barack Obama ..coming almost weekly...have changed my mind about his readiness for office. Already he has advocated bombing Iran, and retracted it;advocating invading Pakistan, and retracted it, opposed NAFTA but assured Canada otherwise, and then retracted it; had a campaign stqfer personally insult Hillary, and then fired her; had a che guevara flag hanging in his Houston HQ, but then disavowed it, then distanced himself from the Most Racist REv. Wright, and now this mess. It is a weekly parade with this guy, whose ambition has outstripped his ability. .

Posted by: marc christophe | April 14, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

While the elitist McCain was being tortured in the Hanoi Hilton, Mr. Obama was smoking dope, screwing girls and playing b-ball with his friends in the nice warm sun of Hawaii. While McCain was having bayonet stuck into his foot and watching his friends have their eyeballs squeezed out of their head.. Mr. Obama was snorting lines with his homeboys at a poor litle segregated school in NE uSA called Harvard..

Oh yeah, I think we forget that Obama married a rich girl who use to stiff poor people of their medical treatment, cause her hospital wouldn't mess with those "uninsured" folk.

Yes.. all you Obamacrites keeep rambling on about McCain and his easy life.. Your Obama is a sign of double talking, hypocrisy and arrogance. He is the bitter one, clinging onto his gun (his mouth) and his religion (Mr. Wright).

Damn

Posted by: Yoni | April 14, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama's parents were PhDs. Boy, growing up in the poor house. My, my, and they say Obama is a two-faced urban leftist and out of touch.

Must have been hell when Mom and Dad had orals at the same time.

Almost like getting shot down and held as a POW.

The horror of growing up Obama.

Posted by: Ivory Tower Two Face | April 14, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

After reading the above comments I finally understand! It's not the government, the president, presidential CONTESTANTS and etc, we have met the enemy and it's "us Pogos"!

Posted by: wlbill | April 14, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I guess that if all these TYPICAL small town folks would just go out and get themselves some mac 10s, some crack, pants that come down to display their plumbers crack maybe they wouldn't seem so bitter? Maybe go out and find themselves a fine upstanding minister along the lines of REV. WRIGHT and then they wouldn't seem so bitter?

Until then the LOCAL-YOKALS RULE.

Posted by: Larry in Houston | April 14, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Senator Obama should apologize for his comments. We have all these hypocrites sucking up to the religious right and gun owners when they don't really believe what they are preaching. I voted for Senator Clinton but her statements in favor of gun owners worry me. Guns are designed to kill. They are used to kill 30,000 Americans each year. Any candidate offering to support guns lose my vote.

Posted by: schoolmaster209 | April 14, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's bundlers must be frantic with worry. Every attack seems to rebound. Even when they double-team Obama with their GOP pals, nothing works.

He just keeps kicking her arse all over the place.

What will the bundlers do? Their investment is slipping away.

They'll never get to sleep in the Lincoln bedroom now.

Gallup Daily: Obama Numbers Holding Strong
April 14, 2008

'Barack Obama, who has come under attack by his presidential rivals for describing small-town voters as "bitter," seems to be weathering the storm to this point as far as voters are concerned. He maintains a 10 percentage point lead over Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination, 50% to 40%, according to the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking.

That 10-point lead matches Obama's best of the campaign, and even as the controversy has dominated the political airwaves, Obama's support remained strong in tracking interviews conducted on Saturday and Sunday.'

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106504/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Numbers-Holding-Strong.aspx

Posted by: B.Kaufmann | April 14, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Google: McCain cursing.
McCain should either repudiate these reports of wacko foul mouth attacks on everyone from his wife to fellow Senators not to mention a gutter "joke" on Chelsea Clinton and Janet Reno OR spend the rest of his life apologizing.

Posted by: Fareed | April 14, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:21 a.m. EDT
Obama's Income Drops Below $1 Million


The annual income for Illinois Sen. Barack Obama and his wife dropped about $680,000 in 2006 from the nearly $1.7 million they took in the prior year, according to documents released Monday.

Information released by the Chicago Democrat's presidential campaign indicated that the Obamas' total income decreased because in 2005 they had a major book deal and a one-time bonus.

Their 2006 income of $991,296 included Obama's salary of $157,082 and his wife's administrator's pay of $273,618 from the University of Chicago Hospitals and $51,200 in director fees from a food distributor, TreeHouse Inc."


Wow, Michelle, how are you going to get a new Chanel purse?

Posted by: Obama Po Folks | April 14, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Many Democrats simply do not want the party to make the same mistake twice by nominating another Kerry-like shallow, arrogant, platitude-spouting, gas-bag - who is so mentally deficient from extensive drug use he even has to plagiarize his hollow platitudes!.

Thanks to "uncle" jeremiah, the true nature of hussein has finally been revealed. For nearly twenty years hussein has been the disciple and avid follower and supporter of this racial bigot. hussein has publicly praised wright on numerous occasions. wright's vile, bigoted harangues against America, in general, and white Americans, in particular, illustrate the true foundation of hussein and the "church" of which he is a devout member. The foundation of hussein is racial division and strife - not unity. If it were not for the thin veneer of whitewash slapped on him by his handlers, I would expect him to adopt wright's "God Da'mn America" as his theme song. hussein is clearly an outrageously unacceptable candidate for any elected office or position of responsibility in America.

Posted by: ALEX H. | April 14, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

And oh, Obama - much more than Hillary or McCain knows what it's like to grow up poor.

Posted by: cscs7 | April 14, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Chief-
Wealth and influence aren't factors for elitism? Really? Then why don't the elite country and raquet clubs let the rabble in?

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

When are eight houses not enough? When the White House is in reach. John McCain would sell his soul to be President. That's not unusual. What's unusual is that he's done it in full view of the American people. The media love this elitist racket. Solution: 90% tax on top 1%. 50% tax on all corporations & revocation of "personhood" allowances. Public funds only for campaigns. Problem solved.

Posted by: Milo Santini | April 14, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

While Obama didn't use the best choice of words (at least he admitted that and didn't blame it on being "tired") - the basic premise of what he stated is true.

A large percentage of traditional blue-collar Dems have been voting Republican ever since the Bill Clinton administration and the passing of NAFTA - since they no longer had a reason to vote Democratic on economic grounds.

Posted by: cscs7 | April 14, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Two multi-millionare candidates are calling Obama and elitist? Isn't that rich? When was the last time McCain and Clinton worried about where their next pay check was coming from. This is nothing but MSM biased against Obama.

Posted by: Mike | April 14, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

This story is such bull, but it might prompt Obama to finally go into attack mode to close the deal. He's just been too nice to the Clintons because many primary votes harbored good feelings twoards them. This has the potential to backfire badly for them. Hopefully this silly little dust up will give BHO the liberty to unsafe his weapons, sink Hillary (she's lost, already), and then and turn his fire at it's proper target.

Seriously - Multimillionaires calling a millionaire elitist. That's rich.

Posted by: Mason | April 14, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I will tell you who is elitist? It is McCain and Hillary whose wealth and influence is far more than Obama's. His comment may be politically incorrect yet is true.

Posted by: silverspring
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You don't have a clue what an elitist is do you? It's not Clinton or McCain. Pay close attention and listen closely to Obama and you will learn what an elitist is. Wealth and influence are not factors. Actions and words are. It's all attitude, and Obama has that attitude.


Posted by: Chief | April 14, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

What everybody seems to be missing is that many of us in PA *are* bitter. And the Clintons are part of the reason why!

Posted by: tom blake | April 14, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Since when is it "elitist" to mention that some people in America are bitter. Hell yeah, we're bitter! The fact that someone finally notices us then gets called out for it is an affront to bitter people everywhere!

Posted by: Bitter Pill | April 14, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Typical white people don't need religion or guns.. they need Barack Obama!!! that is all! You tell those backward racist uneducated bible thumping yeehaws how it is ....

But would anyone say people in big cities can also be bitter, running to churches and guns? In Obama's hood, the people can be considered very pro-Obama, like to go see Pastor Wright curse the evil white man who oppressed their black Jesus and love doing their drive bys, to pay the other homey back for invading their turf, sorry for al lthe boys and gals who got caught in the cross fire.

Hey how come Barack Hussein Obama forgot to mention the bitter people from the city, most of them black democrats.. hmm.. arrogant one-sided, elitist? Nah.. not that sophisticated.

Posted by: Yoni | April 14, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

McCain ain't gonna roll over for the pantywaist Obama. And Hillary has more balls and brains than Michelle and Barack combined. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining, Obama.

Posted by: Obama Snobama | April 14, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Boy don't you just love this talking heads? Parroting every messtatements of everything Obama said and do. One thing for sure: He is a good decent man,respectful of others and really want to move this country forward. Question is: Are we ready? Ready to hear the truth. We've been lied to many times that when someone is telling us the truth we reacted in denial. Sure I'm bitter. Cost of living is sky high. Salary is stagnant that can't keep but I am hopeful for better tomorrow. Stop derailing this guy. Why NOT blame the candidates who voted for this war? The money that could have been use her are going over there. Blame McCain and Clinton.

Posted by: bigben1986 | April 14, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

First King George, Now Prince John.

It's ludicris to call Obama an Elitist. He's from Illinois, wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth and didn't marry into wealth. From what I can see, he and his wife have worked for every thing they have. In fact looking at his resume, he probably understands the problems of working people and middle class alot better than John McCain. More importantly, the truth hurts, and he hit the ball out of the ball park this time.

Posted by: Big John | April 14, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Yes, McCain's wife is rich. Last time I checked she could run a businss, like many of America's women. Oh, yes, the Obama income dropped from $1.7 million a year. They are wondering how to afford "good private schools" and summer camp.

The horror. Michelle must be signing up for WIC and stamps.

Please, Obama, spare us the sanctimony.

I would venture that if we paid John McCain for the FIVE YEARS in a POW camp like we paid 9/11 victims families, he'd be a lot richer.

He's paid the dues, in scar tissue.

Obama is a limousine liberal par excellence.

Posted by: Obama Impoverished | April 14, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Elitist, huh?

I thought that Obama's comments about the devotion to religion and guns in small Pa. towns was dead on. At least he left out the meth and farm animals.

Posted by: Jeff Wagner | April 14, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

LOL....McCain (bUsh 3) dose not know what 'Elitist' means....LOL

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

That's not what Obama said. He said "cling," as in escape or withdraw into to cope with lack of jobs and the feeling of powerlessness to change their situations.

Posted by: gavin930
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He didn't say that either. Where did you get that? The question was why these folks weren't supporting him. Here is what he said.

"It's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,"

Most of it doesn't make sense. Except the part where they won't vote for him because
of this bitterness they cling to "antipathy to people who aren't like them" which means they won't vote for him because he is black. Plain racisn and race baiting. Could you imagine Hillary or McCain saying that.
The MSM won't even touch it. They're letting that remark slide. Hillary and McCain can't respond or they will be labeled as racist.

Posted by: Chief | April 14, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

I see that McPain is taking a page out of the Bush playbook. Appeal to the idiots - there are enough of them to get you elected. Nice aspirations we have as a country - Land of the once free, and home of the ignoramuses.

Posted by: Adrienne Najjar | April 14, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

bye bye:

See ya!

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

As a member of the Keating 5, McCain has more than amply demonstrated his particular empathy for ordinary folks.

Posted by: jad | April 14, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

"He really is a nasty little man.

This will do him no good, as it has done
Hillary no good.

They can whip this till they fall of fatigue. No sale"

Yes, Obama really is a sexist, schmarmy, racist man. Harvard taught him well.

Posted by: Shame on Snobama | April 14, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why Obama supporters are so bent out of shape about their golden boy's boo boo. He's a very shrewd guy and will make a pretty speech to spin it his way. When given lemons he makes kool - oops I mean lemon - aid. Keep the faith!

Posted by: small town girl | April 14, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

What is this? Obama's un(der)employed apologists spending the entire morning proclaiming that McCain must be more of an elitist/hypocrite because his wife is rich. That's not an argument, it's weak character assassination.

Who cares if Cindy is rich? What she she ever said or done that undermines her husband's credibility? Now compare that record to Michelle Obama's, and consider she has only been in the public spotlight for 5 minutes. Of for that matter, compare it to the Clintons' astonishing wealth-accumulation of the past 8 years.

Fact: both Hillary and McCain are richer than Obama, but that has nothing to do with elitism or intellectual snobbery. Obama made a huge mistake with his bitter comments. Dems need to seriously think if he still has a chance in November. He has a string of gaffes over the past few months that make him damaged goods.

As a McCain supporter I'll take my odds with the guy.

Posted by: Clio1 | April 14, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

ONE THING IS TRUE HERE.

Not one post has had any effect. Not one mind has been changed.

Your time could be spent better...perhaps on cleaning your toilets.

It's too juvenile, and bye bye.

Posted by: bye bye | April 14, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

McCain who owns 6 houses and wife has more money than anybody could ever need , whose families have been crooks forever , if he thinks that will help him , he is sadly mistaken . Ask the people whose S&L money he stole . I voted for Hillary but she is making herself look terrible .

Posted by: larry g | April 14, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Boy, the Obama posters increasingly seem to make an appropriate nickname John McSANE, rather than McSame.

The truth hurts that Obama is a dorky, urbanite leftist and racist. He can't tell the truth, much less bowl. And I really roll when I see him blowing smoke up hillbillies arses, then turn around and trash them at the Left Coast Capitol and get caught.

Welcome to the Big Leagues, kid, the General Population. Your time in protective custody is over.

Posted by: Fighting Amish | April 14, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

swanieaz:

Warren EDWARD Buffett is much richer than John SIDNEY McCain -- why does that matter -- are you saying that Buffett couldn't correctly label Barack HUSSEIN Obama's comment as "elitist"?

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Gavin writes:That's not what Obama said. He said "cling," as in escape or withdraw into to cope with lack of jobs and the feeling of powerlessness to change their situations.

- do liberals cling to gay rights, abortion
or increased taxes when they feel powerless ?
Does attendance by liberals at save the dolphin and global warming meetings increase ?

Posted by: alex | April 14, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse


He really is a nasty little man.

This will do him no good, as it has done
Hillary no good.

They can whip this till they fall of fatigue. No sale.

Posted by: no sale | April 14, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

McCain, the man who rides around in his wife's PRIVATE JET and spends time at one of his FIVE HOUSES cannot say that anybody is elitist ! ! !

Besides that, McCain supported Bush and the CIA continuing WATER BOARDING and TORTURE ! !

Posted by: swanieaz | April 14, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

What Obama said was politically incorrect -- but true.

Posted by: Superdelegate | April 14, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a farce.

Posted by: nocity | April 14, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

All of the whining above by the Obamaapologentia confirms that when the real campaign starts this fall, your boy with the big ears and mouth is going to get crushed!

WAKE UP AMERICA, OSAMA LOVES OBAMA! IT'S NOT FEAR MONGERING, IT IS THE TRUTH!

Posted by: John Doe | April 14, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Post search: "bush" + "torture" = 133 hits
"obama" + "bitter" = 112 hits

What is wrong with you people?

Posted by: Bret Harris
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The "great orator" did another bone head speech. The MSM has finally written about his booboos. Baby, that's news. You know how us Hillary supporters feel now. Has the veneer finall worn off?

Posted by: Chief | April 14, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Brandon:

Please look up which PRESIDENT signed NAFTA.

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

"Nor did they turn to their religious faith and cultural traditions out of resentment and a feeling of powerlessness to affect the course of government or pursue prosperity"

That's not what Obama said. He said "cling," as in escape or withdraw into to cope with lack of jobs and the feeling of powerlessness to change their situations.

Posted by: gavin930 | April 14, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama down by 20 in new Pennsylvania poll

A survey of Pennsylvania Democrats that was done in part after the news broke about Sen. Barack Obama's controversial comment that some small-town folks are "bitter" and cling to religion and guns in difficult times, shows him now trailing Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Keystone State by 20 percentage points.

American Research Group says this morning that its latest poll shows Clinton ahead 57%-37%. The survey of 600 "likely" Democratic primary voters was begun Friday and completed on Sunday. The news about Obama's "bitter" comments broke late Friday afternoon.

In ARG's previous Pennsylvania survey, done a week earlier, Clinton and Obama were tied at 45%. That tie, though, was an "outlier." Most Pennsylvania polls have given Clinton at least a 5 percentage point lead.

ARG's new survey has a margin of error of +/- 4 percentage points.

Source: http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres08/padem8-705.html


Posted by: Jesse | April 14, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Yes, it is true.
If I said the moon was made of green cheese, should I expect that you all would believe me because you see my smiling (sometimes) face on your screen every day?Just who are these elitists anyway? How would you know one if they bit you on the toe? Do they exhibit particular symptoms of behavior, such as eating too much, or screwing too much, or flying in planes all the time, or what? Just what is an elitist, and what does that mean in the context of this god-awful, word-plagued season? Each word that gets uttered gets shuttered and muttered ad infinitum, until you dont' know where it all started, or where it is going. So, elitist is one who exhibits "consciousness or pride in belonging to a group deserving of special treatment." Hey, that's everyone I know!
Elitism - "the sense of entitlement for belonging to such a group or class". Hmmm, I know I've heard that somewhere before; yes, one of those candidates claimed entitlement to the Presidency. Oh my.
This culture has spliced and diced and chopped and cut everyone into smaller and smaller groups to make for easier delivery of services, such as they are, easier marketing, easier identification, easier census reporting, easier taxation and, well, you get the picture.
Turns out that everyone is a special category deserving of something, from somewhere, differing from someone else somewhere else. In other words, we are ALL elitists, cause the government has said so.
If that is too difficult to grasp for you non-elitists, maybe you should ask yourselves a question - could you stand up and declare that you are happy with the way things are going in this country? If you can, you'd be among the very few, a tiny group indeed, and fit for entitlements, though they be meager ones.
Maybe that guy in the back of the hall, next to the exit? You sir, are a singular soul. Are you bitter about that, or do you feel better about being the sole member of your elite, and singular, group?
I thought so.
My friends, maybe the best word to use is the term "bitter", since it responds to behaviors of many people in a range of different ways. Bitter for one is a 10, while for another may be a 2, but both, and a great many, may indeed be bitter.
As you can tell, I too am bitterly dissappointed. Help me out, will you? I want to be elite.

Posted by: John of Arizona Fame | April 14, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama down by 20 in new Pennsylvania poll

A survey of Pennsylvania Democrats that was done in part after the news broke about Sen. Barack Obama's controversial comment that some small-town folks are "bitter" and cling to religion and guns in difficult times, shows him now trailing Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Keystone State by 20 percentage points.

American Research Group says this morning that its latest poll shows Clinton ahead 57%-37%. The survey of 600 "likely" Democratic primary voters was begun Friday and completed on Sunday. The news about Obama's "bitter" comments broke late Friday afternoon.

In ARG's previous Pennsylvania survey, done a week earlier, Clinton and Obama were tied at 45%. That tie, though, was an "outlier." Most Pennsylvania polls have given Clinton at least a 5 percentage point lead.

ARG's new survey has a margin of error of +/- 4 percentage points.

Source: http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres08/padem8-705.html

Posted by: Jesse | April 14, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Uh huh.... 'Cause the GOP is the party of the people, right?

I'll take elite over scary and evil this time, thanks.

Posted by: Mobedda | April 14, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Osama Obama is only revealing his true beliefs, which include Civil War reparations against all whites (never mind the thousands of whites who died for freedom's sake.

Posted by: truthful | April 14, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Gun nut?

Is a police officer a "gun nut?"

Is a person willing to defend his or her home a "gun nut?"

Perhaps "nuts" are just people who do not agree with your idea.

That seems to be the modern trend. If they do not agree - they must be mad, or stupid or bought off.

Posted by: Gary E. Masters | April 14, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama down by 20 in new Pennsylvania poll

A survey of Pennsylvania Democrats that was done in part after the news broke about Sen. Barack Obama's controversial comment that some small-town folks are "bitter" and cling to religion and guns in difficult times, shows him now trailing Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Keystone State by 20 percentage points.

American Research Group says this morning that its latest poll shows Clinton ahead 57%-37%. The survey of 600 "likely" Democratic primary voters was begun Friday and completed on Sunday. The news about Obama's "bitter" comments broke late Friday afternoon.

In ARG's previous Pennsylvania survey, done a week earlier, Clinton and Obama were tied at 45%. That tie, though, was an "outlier." Most Pennsylvania polls have given Clinton at least a 5 percentage point lead.

ARG's new survey has a margin of error of +/- 4 percentage points.

Source: http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres08/padem8-705.html

Posted by: Hank | April 14, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ObamaIsACarSalesman | April 14, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama is so elitist that he won't let working people in Florida and Michigan re-vote or have their votes counted. Obama has done absolutely nothing in the Senate; he is known as the "Do-Nothing Senator". I'd like one of his supporters to actually name something he has done. That alone is elitist.

Posted by: Rick Kendle | April 14, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama is without doubt the best out of the three. McCain can't tell the difference between Iraq, Iran, Shia, Sunni, Al-Qaeda or the Taliban. He's suffering from Alzheimer's already.

Hillary is desperate to get into the White House and will scratch and claw her way in if she can. She lies already, and she's not even president yet. She's a corporate lawyer whereas Obama is a civil rights lawyer, so unless you are the CEO of a corporation, she's not that interested in supporting your issues. She's got as much 'experience' as any other First Lady.

Obama is highly intelligent and articulate, erudite, fair-minded and is good at bringing people together rather than dividing loyalties, genuinely loves America, but doesn't swagger, threaten and belittle other nations in this world. He also speaks the truth even if people don't like it. He's not elitist at all, but realistic. Around the world, everyone will start to believe in America again if he becomes president.

Posted by: FLast | April 14, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

McCain eats donuts!

I eat donut !

I am voting for him!

Posted by: sweet valley high | April 14, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

So?

Version 2.0 - elite version

Posted by: Gary E. Masters | April 14, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Jeff:

I will agree that John SIDNEY McCain is a far better candidate for America ; )

Posted by: JakeD | April 14, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

So?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

McCain will use any tact to rally gun nuts and religious fanatics. Any tact that is except creating jobs for these folks.

Posted by: Maddogg | April 14, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama has remarks taken out of context which suggest that people in PA and other rust belt areas have been left bitter by the experience that politcos like mccain/mcsame have created. It was mcsame and the GOP who engineered the "free" trade agreements that sent the jobs overseas which have left people bitter.

Posted by: Brandon | April 14, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama is showing his true bitterness about those, from whom he is seeking votes.

How ironic that those he calls bitter, are the very people who have worked a lifetime to build the a nation that is so tolerant that even an elistist snob like he can run for the highest office in the land.

Hillary and John McCain are far better candidates for America.

Posted by: Jeff | April 14, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

What moronic garbage. To even give coverage to comments like tghis, let alone forget the economic policies and circumstances of the man saying them is just ridiculous. the WaPo political writers all seem to have on their knee pads for St. John McCain the faux maverick.

Posted by: Rich | April 14, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

So the bitter Pennsylvanians are going to stick it to us elitist snobs by voting for a president that won't represent their interests? Yeah! That'll show us!

Keep clinging to your guns real tight--you'll need them to guard your stuff while sitting on the curb after you lose your house.

Posted by: Bitter Elitist | April 14, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

So John McSame loves him some journo-offered doughnuts- was that payback for the BBQ Love In Fandango out in AZ a few weeks ago? Please stop drooling over Everyman McCain's crafted facade- how can a married-to-beer-fortune-10-houses-private-jet-progeny -of-2-generations-of-Naval-flag-officers call anyone else an elitist (or even imply it as the article states) and have the loving press lap it up, not point out any of the above or how note how ludicrous it is for McBush to set himself up as a regular guy. Oh, that's how it worked for George Bush, you say? Hmm, amazing coincidence, that.

When can we expect some scrutiny of the actual St. John McCain, and not some regurgitation of PR flack fluff where this man's record and tempermant is concerned? If I am reading the NY Times, Time, Newsweek, Washington Post etc etc. I know not to hold my breath. Better Reporters please, and less sycophants. Thank you.

Posted by: Simple Simian | April 14, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

It will be so satisfying when the lying and horribly misguided pro-warriors like this man have lost and have moved into their gated retirement communities. This man knows nothing about how Americans feel. I AM bitter, yes, and he and his ilk have made me that way. But that's all right because I along with millions of others in November will be moving forward into tomorrow with no nostalgia for the past that this man and his generation have left for us to clean up.

It is wonderful to think that McCain and Clinton both can go about using the trope of "Americans will triumph because of their faith, etc." argument in order to preserve the status quo of the ruling elites, they NEVER speak of the reality of socio-economic class. That would be admitting to the truth of the American Dream, now becoming our nightmare. Mr. Obama is an elitist? I hope he is, in the sense that he is one of the very few who just might use reason, intellect, and clear thinking with practical and efficacious results for real change in a very quickly changing world. We the press allow him to speak the truth without the fear of worrying that the American public can't handle it? Elitist? Who's calling the kettle black, my dear Mr. McCain?

Posted by: G. D. Wymer | April 14, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

JHG_sec405: 'People are wrong to equate McCain's wealth with elitism. Not all wealthy people are elitists. Besides, McCain's position on taxes, among other issues, doesn't reflect elitism.'

Which position? He has stood on both sides of the issue. He previously opposed Bush's millionaires' tax cuts, and now he supports them. Hadn't you heard?

His current position on taxes is ultra-elitist.

Posted by: Bud0 | April 14, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

There are too many people here who don't appear to understand Obama's comment. As someone suggested above, he attributed the existence of religion and gun ownership to bad government. That's just ludicrous.

Posted by: Jerred | April 14, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Wow, the large number of negative comments about John McCain appearing in the comment list deserves attention. These commentators should pause for a minute and review their, in some cases, irrational defense of Obama.

Obama is the one who in supreme secular progressive language has attributed the life styles of many of those who disagree with him on guns, and immigration to being bitter. He was basically calling these people who disagree with him mindless. After all, according to Obama, they only cling to their guns, immigration ideas, and their religion because their government has not treated them very well.

These few words by Senator Obama say volumes about Obama's thinking, ideology, and contempt for many Americans. His supporters on this comment list either hold the same ideology, opinions, and beliefs as Senator Obama or they have not stopped long enough to digest the full questionable nature of what he said and thinks.

Slamming John McCain for polite comments about this incredible crack in the shield guarding Obama's real ideology, cannot change what Senator Obama is.

http://brokengovernment.wordpress.com

Posted by: Ken Moyes | April 14, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

and now for the real question:

Who is more in line with reality?
Hillary Clinton describing being under sniper fire in Bosnia,

or Barack Obama describing Pennyslvanians as bitter as a result of a decade of poor governance?

I'll let you ponder that one.

Posted by: mouma694 | April 14, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Twostrangers: 'Not only will he not carry three of the four key swing states in November, he might very well not carry any of them.'

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106504/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Numbers-Holding-Strong.aspx

Gallup Daily: Obama Numbers Holding Strong
April 14, 2008

'PRINCETON, NJ -- Barack Obama, who has come under attack by his presidential rivals for describing small-town voters as "bitter," seems to be weathering the storm to this point as far as voters are concerned. He maintains a 10 percentage point lead over Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination, 50% to 40%, according to the latest Gallup Poll Daily tracking.

That 10-point lead matches Obama's best of the campaign, and even as the controversy has dominated the political airwaves, Obama's support remained strong in tracking interviews conducted on Saturday and Sunday. It is likely Clinton and Republican John McCain will continue to remind voters of the remarks, and the possibility remains that it could affect voters in the coming days, but so far they seem unaffected by the controversy.

In the general election trial heat match up versus McCain, 46% of registered voters prefer Obama, the same as in the past four days' releases and equal to Obama's high-water mark since Gallup began tracking general election preferences in March. McCain is the choice of 44% of registered voters, which is a percentage point better than in the prior three days' releases.'
ENDS

Sorry, twostrangers, I prefer facts as they are, rather than facts as you would like them to be.

Posted by: Bud0 | April 14, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

It is disgusting to try to portrait the son of a black man from the bushes of Africa and a middle class American teenager as "Elitist"; in any case the son and grandson of high level career militaries without a doubt belongs to the class of privileged elitist. Mr. Obama's candor by calling things by their name is not appreciated at all since it shows a sad reality of this country. People of this nation should be happy that somebody has the courage to talk about the sicknesses of this society. It is clear that McCain is a man that disrespects his self by making such a sort of comments. McCain and H. Clinton are nothing else than a duo of opportunists changing positions at their convenience, definitely both of them lack principles of integrity to make any kind of criticism on social issues.

Posted by: W. Moreno | April 14, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

People are wrong to equate McCain's wealth with elitism. Not all wealthy people are elitists. Besides, McCain's position on taxes, among other issues, doesn't reflect elitism. As for Obama's comment about Pennsylvanians' attitudes, no one would want an outsider (Chicagoan) telling outsiders (San Franciscoans) what they (Pennsylvanians) think. Obama's delivery style was elitist. The problem is, a lot of people are angry at government due to the economy and job losses. I'd like to see Obama's campaign find a better way to deliver that message, such as polling/interviewing Pennsylvanians and honestly reporting the results. If McCain's campaign is smart, they'll do it. Taking the pulse of the people and reporting their perceptions is always more acceptable than telling them what they think. Duh!

Posted by: JHG_sec405 | April 14, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Great post Geoff (April 14) They completely twisted Obamas remarks! It's alot of Clinton nonsense! Then there's Fox News (Fair and Balanced?) Hannity, who has been bashing Obama for weeks!

Posted by: Briskwood | April 14, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Give me a break Hussein Obama! You may fool some of the people some of the time, but you are not going to fool all the people all the time.

If anyone is out of touch with reality, tak a good look at yourself:

While you often claim that you do not take money from oil companies, recent records indicate that you have taken more money from the oil companies than almost any other senator, including Sen. Clinton. In fact, you have even taken more money from the top 10 issuers of subprime loans than Sen. Clinton. In 2007 alone, you received $434,420 from the subprime issuers white Clinton received $364,950. [Source: cq.com; USA Today]

While you would not admit it, you even voted for the 2005 Energy Bill, written in secret by Vice President Cheney and the energy lobby. In fact, New York Times' Thomas Friedman referred to the bill as "the sum of all lobbies." U.S. PIRG noted that the bill's "heavy tilt toward big oil companies reflects the influence of Exxon Mobil and other oil companies on policy-makers in Washington, DC." Read the behind the scene Secret Details.

So, stop with the empty rhetoric. When you cannot defend your position, you change the argument and attack! Not this time buddy!

Take a nap at the sermon you claim were never party to.

Shame on you Hussein

Posted by: Iraq_Vet | April 14, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

All you coastal elitists with your hyperventilating are spewing out so much CO2 that we'll need air conditioning in January before you are through.

You think the American people as a whole are just too ignorant to make an informed choice in any election (if only votes could be allocated according to your much higher IQ!).

You are so out of touch with the mainstream current of this country - as is your new Messiah - Barack Obama. You are destined, once more, for disappointment and defeat.

Thank God, and thanks to the wisdom of the founding fathers. Don't worry - you'll still have the WaPo and NYTimes Op Ed pages and, of course, the taxpayer-supported propaganda mouthpiece, NPR.

I look forward to your pathetic whining for another 4 years. Long live America!

Posted by: forest boy | April 14, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

What Obama said was stupid. Religion, which preexisted government, is the way people escape bad government? Obama should admit it was a stupid statement and then we can all move on.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

In McCain's defense, he probably does not know what an elitist is. Nor would he recognize elitist traits in himself or friends or superiors. He is simply echoing Republican party vitriol as usual.

Posted by: L.Kurt Engelhart | April 14, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm not American, but I know that three-quarters of Americans supported invading Iraq in 2003. Yet three-quarters of Americans today believe the war was a bad idea.

Likewise, a clear majority of American voters re-elected GW Bush in 2004, yet his support hovers below 30% today.

That's mathematical proof that a large proportion of American voters is making a lot of bad, indeed self-harming, decisions.

Yet nobody in America is ever allowed to criticise the voter, criticise the public. Politicians are trained to spout pablum like: "I think the American people are pretty smart", "I think the American people usually come to the right decision, etc."

It's completely taboo to mention that the American people have been largely complicit in the disasters that have befallen them. Even Obama wouldn't dare say that. Suck up to the Great American Public at all costs.

Clinton and McCain play that game well, as did GW Bush. That's why the American public never looks at itself in the mirror.

Iraq is all Bush's fault, say the people who cheered and bayed for war in 2003. Our health costs are rising, moan people who voted against a decent health plan in 2004 because they were scared a homosexual might get married somewhere.

Like I said, I'm a foreigner and don't have to suck up to anyone. So I can say: Bush is a symptom, the American people is the cause.

Reading the comments of those here trying to enforce the taboo on criticising the choices of the US voter, it's easy to see why America is in such a deep hole.

I predict that Americans will continue to vote for politicians who tell them how great they are, and America will continue its irreversible decline.

Hopefully, when you're all broke, you will at least quit starting wars all the time.

Posted by: Kevrobb | April 14, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

The double standard is what is finally being addressed and it's about time. Ferraro makes a comment and immediately the Obama campaign labels her as a racist and she is forced to resign. Obama stereotypes white people repeatedly and it gets excused away. Obama goes to a church with an anti-white preacher and it gets excused away.

This statement by Obama is the glue that finally sticks him to Jeremiah Wright. Not only will he not carry three of the four key swing states in November, he might very well not carry any of them.

Posted by: twostrangers | April 14, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

What is this, "It takes one to know one"?
McCain is working hard to prove to his base that he himself is "conservative" or in other words and "elitist".

McCain is going to go along with anything that sucks for the Democrats. Personally though, at one time I did like all of our choices for President, now I have say "except for Hillary Clinton" because of her very dirty pile-a-tricks she's playing against a person in her own party, especially since she has virtally no chance of winning the nomination. Hillary is bringing on the "yuck" factor in politics.

Posted by: Linda Love Jones | April 14, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse


When Obama speaks TRUTH its called elitist and demeaning. What pray tell is the label one gives to McCain when he calls his wife a c**t? Or when he confuses sects in Iraq to foreign leaders when talking about foreign policy? Or when he war mongers with "Bomb, bomb,bomb ... bomb, bomb Iran?" What do you call that .... insanity comes close. Those in glass houses should not throw stones.

Posted by: AC | April 14, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

It's funny to hear Clinton and McCain, both multi-millionaires, talking about "elitism."
They know from experience.
A vote for McCain is a vote for Bush!

Posted by: Jeff M | April 14, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Elitism is not about your pesonal wealth. It's about how you treat others, the little people if you will. It is evident that Obama looks down on the little people. Words matter. This insult was probably the death knell of Obama's electoral chances, if Rev. Wright wasn't already.

Maybe he should give a major speech on rural people, then the Obamamaniacs can pass out and when they come to, log onto the Daily Kos and blog that it was the best speech on rural people since William Jennings Bryan and the Cross of Gold.

Posted by: hey obamamaniacs | April 14, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama is no elitist. Obama is a smart guy who worked hard and made the most of his talents and advantages. He was not the Admiral's son or the President's wife. And instead of using his talents to make himself rich, he gave back to the community, not with a few checks, but as a community organizer, then as a state legislator, then as a U.S. Senator.

What he said was basically right, although it was a little too nuanced. The bottom line is that people get hosed by circumstances they get angry. Hate-peddlers like Bush offer them groups or ideas to be angry at: "it's the gays" "it's the damn liberals" "it's affirmative action" "it's the [insert here]." Some people cling to that. And some of those people will never vote for an Obama because he is [take your pick].

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

This has been the political if/then for Republicans for decades, and Hillary knows it's politician-tested, strategist-approved.
1. If voters are worried about their money, then use the reality of bigger government since the New Deal, to say those darned liberals are going to take your money and blow it profusely, even if we've seen people like Bush and Delay more profligate and fiscally insane than any Democrat ever was (Reagan also was that way).
2. If voters have a microgram of susceptibility to racial polarization, use item 1 and add in the Cadillac-driving welfare queen; cement inroads into South and a significantly southernized northern working class.
3. If the Republicans can firm up their association with anti-big-spending, minority-friendly, criminal-coddling Democrats, carve out a deep cultural association of said Dems with a bunch of chablis-sipping effete dorks who can't figure out which end of a gun the bullet comes out of, but can definitely come up with some inane social programs to blow your tax money on.
4. If, even though a Republican administration reached an agreement to end the Vietnam War and let the commies take the whole shebang, blame it on those smelly lefty-liberal types for "losing Vietnam" and use that to cement the Republican Party as the party of the military and wonderfully large contracts to fund same.
5. Repeat as needed; lease above items to Democrat threatened by rising black candidate, on per diem basis; royalties payable to Rove-Delay Inc, and estates of Nixon, Reagan, Goldwater, Atwater et al., Inc.

Posted by: Tom | April 14, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Why McCain and Clinton don't get it ... McCain and Clinton don't get it

because McCain and Clinton while understanding the strength of america is in

its people can't see that those self same people feel established politicians

have betrayed them ... sold out the industries they and their forefathers

have built up ... squandered the political good will bought with their

grandfathers and their fathers blood ... mortgaged the future of their

children.

Americans are bitter not because they were beaten by foreign competition but

because they were sold out by people like Clinton and McCain.

Posted by: beaupritchard | April 14, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Obama's comments are neither elitist or arrogant. When working people lose their jobs in small town America because your federal government has passed trade laws such as NAFTA and manufacturing is allowed to move overseas these citizens have a right to be bitter and angry. Obama said it the way it is. He owes no one any apology! In fact he needs to spread this populist message across the country. Lou Dobbs has been making the same points for two years! Obama needs to keep hammering this populist message from here to the convention!

Posted by: Gary Thomas | April 14, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

"In a speech earlier, he (McCain) took issue with Obama's observations, noting that the crisis of the Great Depression had not shaken the faith of people in small towns, rural communities and inner cities."

One observation Obama definitely did NOT make is that economic hard times tend to shake people's religious faith, so I have no idea where either McCain or the journalist got that "rebuttal". Talk about strawmen.

Posted by: kenonwenu | April 14, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Their bickering over semantics, while the economy tanks along with our USD. Do not be fooled by the smoke-screen- look to the facts.

http://ronpaul.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=37

Posted by: Dave | April 14, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Since when is speaking honestly elitist? Are we Americans smart enough to understand McCain's underhanded bully trick? I guess "elitist" is the new word for "swift boat".

If you want 4 more years of nasty politics then vote for John McCentury.

But if you are ready for a return to wisdom then put Obama in office.

Posted by: martiniano | April 14, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

This is such a non story. Obama's comments are not elitist or noteworthy, they are just comments that, although perhaps awkwardly phrased, certainly have relevance in this day and age.

What should be news however is that McCain still doesn't know the difference between a Shiite and a Sunni, as he constantly insists on confusing Iran and al Quaeda, facts be damned. Also newsworthy is that Hillary keeps touting her "red phone" soundness, although she red-phoned us right into Iraq and has otherwise based her decision making over the past decade on winning personal battles at any cost - even if it destroys the democratic party in the process and with it, ultimately our chance for meaningful change in Washington.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Since when is speaking honestly elitist? Are we Americans smart enough to understand McCain's underhanded bully trick? I guess "elitist" is the new word for "swift boat".

If you want 4 more years of nasty politics then vote for John McCentury.

But if you are ready for a return to wisdom then put Obama in office.

Posted by: martiniano | April 14, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

By the way, calling McCain an elitist simply rings hollow. I'll bet no one reading this post has ever experienced the kind of starvaton and deprivation he experienced for eight years in a POW camp. It may not have been accurate to call Obama an elitist for his ridiculous comment, but it's equally silly to call McCain an elitist.

Posted by: Longbow | April 14, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Sodumb wrote: "John Kerry married a ketchup millionaire heiress... didn't make him blind... necessarily."

But the GOP piled on him for it and branded him an elitist. So why not John McCain?

Posted by: kenonwenu | April 14, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

I am shocked at the response to this article. Are you people that thin-skinned? I suppose this is the "new Dem" way of trying to deal with the potential for the possible swift boating of their nominee, forgetting that John McCain was among the first people to condemn the whole swift boat stuff during the last election and also publicy repudiated a radio talk show host who referred to Obama's middle name at a rally. McCain is a good guy and there's a lot of defend in what McCain said as reported here.

I wouldn't have called Obama's comment "elitist", I would have called it "out of touch" with the very people he claims to be supporting with that absurd statement of his. If I am religious and/or a gun owner, and am not bitter, what does that mean? Or what exactly does Obama propose people should turn to during tough economic times if not "religion or guns": government? Most religious people see the "government first" mentality as a substitute for religion, not the other way around. Obama's statement is indefensible, except to people who think religion is a manifestation of economic frustration. If this reveals his thinking on the subject, he is not the positive difference-maker I thought he might be.

Posted by: Longbow | April 14, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I love it when multi-millionaires call others elitist!!! Having over $200 million is not chump change.

I don't care that John McNasty had to have an affair while being married to his first wife in order to snag a beer heiress like Cindy McBush and her 8 houses. He needed to find some way to get some serious money so he could continue with his hobby in politics.

Posted by: Randy G | April 14, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

The newest sociologist is not Obama, it is the same McShame who has the nerve to criticize Obama as an elitist and demeaning to a group of people. Here you go McShame lovers (and then tell me 'but he's just telling the truth'):

"It's the influx of illegals into places where they've never seen a Hispanic influence before," McCain told me. "You probably see more emotion in Iowa than you do in Arizona on this issue. I was in a town in Iowa, and twenty years ago there were no Hispanics in the town. Then a meatpacking facility was opened up. Now twenty per cent of their population is Hispanic. There were senior citizens there who were--'concerned' is not the word. They see this as an assault on their culture, what they view as an impact on what have been their traditions in Iowa, in the small towns in Iowa. So you get questions like 'Why do I have to punch 1 for English?' 'Why can't they speak English?' It's become larger than just the fact that we need to enforce our borders."

Posted by: Debra | April 14, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, Americans weren't bitter during the Great Depression...

a) ...Especially not McCain's rich admiral daddy.
b) ...And John McCain should know, he was alive back then.
c) ...They were perfectly happy under Hoover. Just like they're happy right now under Bush.

Posted by: Steve Charb in McCainville | April 14, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

It's tough that Obama has to take fire from three at once: McCain and Hill/Bill. I'll pray that Gore comes out this week after that "elitist" crap and endorses Obama. I pray and pray for it! By the way, I think the biggest thing the media got going against Gore was the sigh, or maybe we should call it Sigh-Gate. That he was an egghead, more than elitist per se, whereas Bush was barbecue man. So yes, on the barbecue front, HRC's recollection of the media spin was sort of accurate, but of course in reality Gore won and her account just says more about her own need to be Barbecue Lady, aka Desperately Seeking Archie Bunker and Deer Hunter Votes.

Posted by: Tom | April 14, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Did he make the comments from his retreat in Sedonah?

Posted by: steve boyington | April 14, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I would think the fact that McCain is worth 100 million would be important context for his attacks on someone else's "elitism". But apparently a picture of McCain holding donuts is an adequate substitute.

Posted by: mtera001 | April 14, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I love it when people suggest that an being an admiral's son make's one elite... or spoiled...or priviledged!

Are you aware of the glorious living conditions afforded to those aboard a submariner you elitists snobs? Have you ever seen a fleet commanders stateroom aboard the largest carrier on the sea, you idiots? Do you have any idea how much a four star admiral makes compared to Alec Baldwin's 3 minutes a week on 30 Rock?

Do you have any idea what Annapolis is like?

Obama was raised in Hawaii you dummies! He went to Harvard you dummies! He never held a real job you dummies! A community organizer? Hahahahaha! A state senator who wasn't smart enough to vote "Yea" or "Nay" correctly?!?! His dumb wife who's not smart enough to be proud of the greatest country ever?

Call him McSame, call him Mr. Vain, call him whatever you like. 1/20/09, he's Mr. President...and I'm McLovin it!

Posted by: McLovin the Bitter Comment! | April 14, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Just wait for the debate on Wednesday. Shillary will slip and show her support for the Columbian Trade deal. Let's see her explain that to the small town folk.

Posted by: Tired of it all | April 14, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like the BS Express has it's gas guzzling engine loaded up and running, spewing more bitterness and fear. The facts remain the same though no matter how much bitter lies and BS the BS Express spews out. How would MCCain know anything about those who live in socio-economic hardships? He has lived off the handouts all his life. He has never worked an honest day of his life usinge the safety net of the government and off his rich second wife all his life!

Posted by: Elvis1 | April 14, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Nothing wrong with what he said. He isn't saying anything negative about the people he was referring to. He is simply saying that people are getting tired of the crap that the federal government is doing or better yet, not doing for the lower middle class and small town people. They are losing jobs left and right, the factories are shutting down, healthcare is nonexistent and that's just the way it is. And the government isn't and hasn't done anything about it. McCain sucks. He will never discuss small town America, the poor, the lower middle class or even minorities. He is ignoring those groups and he needs to be held accountable. Hillary lies all of the time by calling them "my people" or the "people she grew up with" that is a crock and she knows it. She is not, nor has ever been lower middle class or poor. She just needs to stop the mess. Get over it and stop trying to make a mountain out of a molehill about every word someone says when you only have soundbites. Hillary is lying through her teeth constantly and stupid people keep saying they will vote for her. I would rather vote someone in that uses words that are the truth rather than lies to make people think they are something their not.

Posted by: What | April 14, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I think grandpa McSame is not all together on base...
Did the man have his tuckie...! Pls. grandpa have a rest Obama was right in touch!

Posted by: Marjon | April 14, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I love it when an old white guy calls a young black guy an elitist. Everyone knows that we are ruled by a young black guy elite.

This defies belief. It makes Mr McCain look like a real double-talking liar. That is why I love it.

Posted by: lwps | April 14, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

dfc102, what, you're still spamming your ludicrous "learn how to pour beer" nonsense? That's awfully elitist if you ask me.

Regular people in PA drink their Rolling Rock straight from the bottle -- or at least they would if Rolling Rock didn't get bought out by Big Beer and shipped off to MO -- causing Latrobe, PA residents to lose their jobs.

Hillary likes her beer too, but prefers to preface each one with a shot, according to the campaign video. (That's a shot of whiskey, not a shot from her Annie Oakley hog-leg, by the way.)

Bitter? That doesn't sound like any kind of real American beer to me. Sounds more like what those Limeys guzzle. Don't need you to be tellin' me any fancy ways to pour and drink furrin beer. Don't need an opener either, my pearly whites work just as well.

Posted by: laboo | April 14, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

The timing of all this is interesting -- Hillary does the weekend shift, then McCain chimes in and gives the story a fourth day. D'ya think they're calling each other at 3 a.m. and coordinating?

And because McCain just repeated what he said on Friday but now it's a different day, it's a story all over again -- thanks to the media who seem unable to say "old news, no thanks" and just function like a campaign newsletter for whomever throws them a comment.

And where's the coverage of Hillary saying Gore and Kerry lost because they were elitist, too? Jeez, on any other day, that would be page one.

What is frustrating to me at this point (and making me ANGRY and BITTER) is that even though Obama has done a great job of not sinking to Clinton's level, at this point he could and should be making some polite but legitimate points about elitism -- if not in his own comments, then get some ads out there that are calm and straightforward, and just say:

He organized poor communities, while she sat on the board at Wal-Mart and was called "one of us" by Sam Walton

While she was in the governor's mansion, he was in churches in poor neighborhoods

Yes he went to Harvard -- and she to Wellesly

She did high school in affuluent Chicago suburbs . . . .

He just finished paying off school loans while she and Bill raked in 100 MILION . . .

Why not at least use the facts that are out there???

Posted by: kathy lewton | April 14, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Coming from a multimillionaire Senator whose wife owns a beer distributorship? How many voters can say they own distributorships? Who's the elitist now?

Posted by: Angry Liberaltarian | April 14, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

The real elitists in America are those who tricked voters into electing/selecting George W. Bush, who gladly turned his office over to those who have anything but the best interests of workin' class Amuricans: those who take a lunch pail to the construction site, whistle at pretty girls, denigrate use of the mind for things other than measure twice and cut once, and vote as many times as possible against their own interests. Some people are not blessed with brains that support an inquisitive mind. They adopt belief systems that comfort them. Hence the importance of getting riled up by The Church and Rush Limbaugh. If you got problems, and America most certainly does, you want people who can perceive reality correctly and design/implement effective solutions. Prefabricated "wisdom" does NOT cut the mustard.

Posted by: BlueTwo1 | April 14, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

So, let's define Elitist for a second.

I would say someone who holds it against McCain that he married well (financially) and would never suffer someone's judgment of their own life choices.

That describes you? no?

I don't see McCain's wife being really meaningful to this discussion. If she is, the should we be discussion Bill Clinton / Obama's wife as well?

John Kerry married a ketchup millionaire heiress... didn't make him blind... necessarily. The Kenedys are well, Kenedys, and how about the Rockerfellers... I mean jeesh. Politics is rife with money and potentially elitist families.

Posted by: Sodumb | April 14, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Obama's comments are offensive because he's saying that small town voters are gun toting, xenophobic racists and that they can't help it because they're poor.

I don't think the "bitter" thing matters nearly so much...

Posted by: Mr. Obvious | April 14, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

They thing with libs is that they are absolutely convinced they are right - the reply I most often see is "of course people are bitter - Obama is just telling the truth." It's the same way of thinking that led the Soviets to put dissidents in mental institutions - if you can't see "the truth" as viewed by the Left, then you must be insane. Obama is the same - he truly believes we have "holes in our souls," "we are bitter," etc... He is doing his best to hide it, but it is not working.

Posted by: pgr88 | April 14, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Comment wrote:
We need a Democrat who can fight hard, with determination, and fortitude. Who's taken a beating already, and show she can get back up and win.
_________________

What do you mean by "win"? What exactly has Hillary "won" here?

Posted by: vmunikoti | April 14, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

gas price if about to hit 3.50 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080414/ap_on_bi_ge/oil_prices
That stiffing money from our pocket, from school system, food prices are going up,
Does anybody care about us, hey Mccain(FREE MARKETS) yeah free for oil companies to rip us off, Hey Hillary where are you guys.

Posted by: Tony | April 14, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse


Obama told the TRUTH, which is a no-no for conventional Washington career elites like McCain and Clinton.

I am so thankful we have SOMEBODY who is willing to tell the truth.

GO OBAMA!


Posted by: Shawn | April 14, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

This forum is very telling of how divided this nation is.

First of all, McCain and the Republicans are taking aim at Obama's comments.

But the brush-back from my fellow Democrats!

We are a polarized nation. The Republicans snipe at Democrats, Democrats snipe at Republicans.

We are not going to "unify" the country, just hope to keep the vigorous debates civil.

Obama is polarizing. Hillary is polarizing. McCain is polarizing.

We need a Democrat who can fight hard, with determination, and fortitude. Who's taken a beating already, and show she can get back up and win.

Vote Hillary Clinton.

For the tough times ahead in the campaign, and the tough times ahead for the nation.

Posted by: Comment | April 14, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

After living through the last two decades of lying politicians, broken promises and wasted lives and money fighting a war that shouldn't have been started in the first place, yes, I am angry, frustrated and B-I-T-T-E-R ! [ you heard that right, Candy Crowley, Kitty Pilgrim, Lou Dobbs, Acosta et al !!!!!!!!]
And I am a very religious gun owner and an "E-L-I-T-S-T" to boot !! - - any problems with that ??!!

Baghdad "BOB" ( for Bitter-Old-Bastard)

Posted by: Bob | April 14, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

The comments John Sidney McCain III made regarding Barrack Hussein Obama Jr (sorry, but that is his name) are consistent (or the same) as the comments Hillary Rodham Clinton made. Why the selective outrage?

By the way, where were all of the John Sidney McCain III attackers in 2004 criticizing how John Forbes Kerry married the much wealthier Theresa Heinz Kerry? The sound of hypocrisy is deafening.

Posted by: Ellis | April 14, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't vote for Clinton or McCain because of the deluded wingnut fantasy land fruitcakes that worship them.

Anyone who refuses to acknowledge the large and obvious warts on America isn't a patriot, they're a patsy.

True patriots acknowledge America's faults as well as its' qualities. America has great potential, but it is far from being the glorious near-perfect country that these dimwitted liars paint it to be.

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Posted by: DFinFL | April 14, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I beg to differ with Mr George-3 McCain.

I, and just about everyone I know, IS feeling bitter and resentful.

What America "should be" about is one thing.

What America IS about, these days, is sucking the life out of every poor and middle class American and raping the rest of the planet.

Can I use my food stamps to by stock in ethanol?

Posted by: alpacaman1 | April 14, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I will not be bamboozled by Mr. Obama Nor I will allow myself to be played by Mr. Obama. I consciously downright refuse the Obamamikans hyper-contextualizing every single of his dismal faux-pas. There are no larger peers of relativism to dock here. His broader cruise ship appeal has sunk starting from the Wright issue. He made a huge gross generalization of the rural majority in a sophomoric plight in front of a whole bunch San Franciscans multi-millionaires. But if I am getting too elitist here allow me to slap myself back to reality: God Damn America is wrong. Insensitive 9/11 remarks are wrong. Disconnected remarks contemptuous of your own voters is wrong and no amount of "context-caging can change that

Posted by: Observateur | April 14, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Well the Obamaites are at it again. Attack McCain and Clinton for what Obama said.

Even Obama admitted it was a mistake. It took him a couple of days to do that but he did. And the funny thing is reading these blogs and thinking that anyone on them knows what the people Obama referred to are thinking.

Those on these blogs couldn't be more elitist. Do you think the small town and rural people who Obama was condescending to ever read all this nonsense- my comments included.

Whether Obama or McCain or Clinton is more of the elitist is totally besides the point. The issue is Obama talking to voters who are not.

McCain, Clinton and Obama all live in million dollar homes, have large bank accounts, and have spouses with big incomes. So what!!!

It is the voters that the Democrats need to win the Presidency that Obama insulted with his comments- he realized it and has apologized- so some of his supports should realize Saint Obama does make mistakes and he is a politician.

But to continuously attack Clinton and McCain for pointing out Obama's mistakes is crazy. Clinton and McCain didn't sit in church for twenty years listening to Rev. Wright. They didn't claim Rev. Meeks as another close spiritual advisor, friend and mentor. They didn't take money from Rezko, then deny it and then return it a drop at a time. They didn't say that their daughters shouldn't be "punished with a baby" for making a mistake. Their spouses didn't say they were never proud before to be an American. These are all things Obama has done to himself.

Clinton and McCain have said many things they can be attacked for and clearly the press and Obama is doing just that. But it is time the Obama folks just admitted their guy has done and said just as many silly things.

Whoever the Democratic candidate is will need all Democrats to support them or we will end up with President McCain- that is not an acceptable alternative for me as a Democrat. So lets be decent to each other and realize when our candidate makes a mistake the other side will take advantage of tham. It is called politics.

Posted by: peterdc | April 14, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

McBush calls Obama an elitist. Wow, what an original critique John. Did you come up with that all by yourself?

Posted by: pj4521 | April 14, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Newsflash. People in Pennsylvania ARE bitter about losing the industries that provided a comfortable middle-class lifestyle. But those jobs disappeared a long time ago -- back before the fabulous Clinton administration, in fact. What did Hillary and Bill do back then to help these folks?

Posted by: virginia | April 14, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Thank God we have the Super Delegates to save us. I've known all along that Obama was the flavor of the month and now it is starting to show.
How many more shoot from the mouth stories do we need to read, corrupt alliances, pictures, and scurrilous associates can our party take?

Posted by: SuperPowerDemocrat | April 14, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Seems like a lot of bitter people are here...

Obama take note!

Seriously though, how much in common do ANY politicians have with blue collar workers?

If you don't like McCain that is great, but I personally don't feel like Obama or Clinton has any high ground on McCAin when it comes to personal property? He married a really rich woman (a personal dream) I won't castigate him for that...

In an honest conversation about what Obama said, i would have to agree that it smacks of a bit of elitism. I think it is a misstep for him, and I could see it being a bit problematic. If all he did was say that many blue collar voters were bitter, I think he should have stopped there. When he pulled in Religion and guns (erie) I thought uhoh...

NEWS FLASH: Politicians are elitist!
REACTION: shrug...

Posted by: sodumb | April 14, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

well, well, lookie here. usatoday actually did some reporting, instead of just recycling gop talking points:

Still, in more than a dozen interviews here, even conservative Republicans couldn't muster the sort of outrage over Obama's remarks that Clinton backers were expressing Sunday. For example, Clinton partisan Stephen Reed, the mayor of nearby Harrisburg, said Obama's remarks "lacked judgment. They lack understanding."

Several McCain supporters here said the comments wouldn't play well among rural Americans. But nearly everyone allowed that, in fact, many small-town residents are indeed bitter.

"Hell, yeah, they're bitter," said Harold Creager, a retired phone company technician who was sipping coffee in Rutter's, a convenience store. "George Bush has been a disappointment. The economy. Jobs. Immigration -- we're being invaded."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-04-13-Obama_N.htm

Posted by: linda | April 14, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

McCain's father and grandfather were four-star Admirals. If anyone is an 'Elitist' it is John McCain. He also married into money. McCain is the worst type of elitist, the kind that doesn't recognize his own privileged life but is willing to name call others.

Posted by: Scott | April 14, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

One very succinct commentator noted that anti-intellectualism was destroying this country. Truer words were never spoken. It is sad that one is expected to "dumb down" to attract the average voter.

Posted by: FER | April 14, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

No man or woman is a patriot when they send America's soldiers off to war on the basis of lies and deceptions.

No man or woman who is a patriot when they have a tax cut and spending orgy like McCain and McClinton have had during their political careers -- especially when they profit so grossly off that debt.

The only Kool-aid drinkers that I've ever met are the kind of fools who think you can continue to ship career politicians like McCain and McClinton back to Washington and that things will somehow magically change. That is, in fact, the definition of insanity. We do indeed live in crazy times, so perhaps it's fitting.

Posted by: JP2 | April 14, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me as long as Clinton and McCain are playing tag-team against Obama, Obama wins.

Posted by: binkynh | April 14, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Instead of saying 'people feel' Obama says 'they feel'. That alone says alot. He has been all about 'We versus They' this entire campaign. He is way more divisive than Hillary and McCain. He did NOT have a middle class upbringing. Attended the elite private Punahou prep school from grade 5 through 12.

Check out what Obama says as he recounts his and Michelle's decision to make the nomination run. Kinda says it all:

"We know what that is like," Obama said. "Michelle's point was, in eight years from now, 10 years from now, we may still be nice people, but we may be in this orbit where we just don't remember, we don't hear people's voices anymore." Ouch.

To read the entire article go to http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7669.html

Posted by: Obama no longa | April 14, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

All of you Obamabots, maniacs, fools:

Elitist Obama would be better off knowing how to pour a pint of "BITTER" instead of being so "BITTER" that Pennsylvanians and Americans are P.R.O. (POSITIVE, RESILIENT and OPTIMISTIC) for our patriotic, god-loving Hillary!

/> />>>>>>>>>>>>>>
How to Pour a Pint of Bitter

By Simon Arms, eHow UK

http://www.ehow.com/how_2072349_pour-pint-bitter.html

"Full of taste and nutrients, bitter is the choice of the beer connoisseur. The following steps are a guideline to pouring a good pint of bitter. However, don't regard it as gospel since it is unlikely to please everybody"


Step 1:
Find an appropriate glass. Scientific study has proven that an alcoholic beverage served in the correct glass improves its quality. For bitter, experts suggest a glass that holds plenty of volume, either a beer mug or pint glass.

Step 2:
Make sure the glass is clean and it has a cool temperature. Too often people pour bitter into warm glasses straight from the dishwasher.

Step 3:
Hold the glass at a 45-degree angle and pour the bitter so the liquid hits the centre of the slope.

Step 4:
When it is half-full, raise the glass to a 90-degree angle while continuing the pouring.

Step 5:
Slowly increase the distance between the glass and the bottle. This will give the bitter a foamed head, which ideally should by 1 1/2-inches thick.

Step 6:
Before drinking, allow a few minutes for the beer to settle in the glass.

OBAMABOTS, DON'T BE SO "BITTER", STOP DRINKING THE OBAMA-KOOL-AID...STOP SPEWING "BITTER" HATE, LEARN HOW TO POUR INSTEAD!

Posted by: cheersdk | April 14, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I'd be grateful if there was anyone left in the US who wants to be elite. With dim bulbs like RAT-The populating the voting rolls, it's no wonder Howdy Doody the two-term failure got elected. Maybe it's time we elected someone who doesn't reflect the sheer stupidity of the general public.


Posted by: dfc102 | April 14, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

The entire GOP platform was organized on the premise of a suckers game.

It's absolutely crazy to hear some uneducated fools who get played for chumps every election cycle warning Dem voters "not to trust Obama". I guess those fools would know.

Posted by: JP2 | April 14, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Americans are bitter. The people they sent to Washington both in the executive and legislative branches have been jerking around ((where's the legislation that has come out the Great Steroids Committee Parade? It's been six months since Waxman's committee asked Condi Rice to get back to them on the state of rampant corruption in the Iraqi government, no progress on Immigration, health care, improved infrastructure- our agreement with our best South American trading partner, the one that actually want to buy American-made products, has been put on hold))... and not looking out for their real welfare- not working efficiently, effectively and preemptively to give us the best bang for our tax buck. Obama is right- people are bitter. McCain and Clinton can spin it anyway they want to If anything the bitterness is in the least elitist of our population- the underpaid, the forgotten middle-class. Obama is right on this. And any economost will tell you how important a vital and vibrant middle class is to the health of a nation. It was actually a surprising remark coming from McCain- because he knows better. If he thinks that he can diminish Obama by using Hillary tactics- he needs new strategy people- FAST.

Posted by: Millie Bea | April 14, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

OK Kiddies; Today's Catch-Phrase is "ELITIST".
What IS an Elitist? :-/

An "Elitist" is Typically a Dimocratic Congressional Lawyer who is also a "Professional Politician".(See: John Kerry/ Teddy Kennedy)

Elitists live in Ivory Towers. They look down upon their supporters and tell their supporters that THEY, their Chosen One, is the One who Knows what is BEST! That the supporters should not bother them with such things as what they are doing, who they are dealing with, what their agendas are...

Because that is all just nasty Politician Stuff that the Small Town, poorer Educated, "HARD WORKING"(Obviously too busy to be distracted by Political stuff! ;~), "Typical" Folks SHOULD NOT BOTHER TRYING TO UNDERSTAND-Nice little Mushrooms that they are!

They Hired the WELL EDUCATED, WELL CONNECTED, WELL PLACED, Professional Congressional Lawyer to do all that for them! ;~)

Here you Dimocrat Socialist Supporters;

Have another shovel of Caca de Vaca!

Bon Apetit! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | April 14, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I am an independent and have been saddened of late with Obama. I thought he understood American sentiment, now I relize he is an elitist who went to Ivy league schools, supported by the upper crust. I suppose it had to happen sooner or later. We are now beginning to see his true colors, he won't disavow the racist hatred of his Reverend Wright either.

Posted by: Mtnman | April 14, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama is a phony!

Posted by: EC Harrison | April 14, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

McCain is just another one of the players in the current administration's group, otherwise he wouldn't be tapped to take over. Anything he says, you can count on it being a lie and/or an attempt to distract people from the issues.

Yes, people are bitter- but not the people who are living it up right now. Like McCain and his buddies.

Yesterday, or the day before, somebody in the Washington Post message boards was complaining about this administration's "failed objectives". I remonstrated that indeed, this administration has managed to do everything it intended to do. Oil is over $100/ barrel, the middle class is on its knees, minority home ownership [aka solid taxpaying citizens in established neighborhoods with some social standing] has been decimated by the subprime lending debacle, and we are in what is intended to be a perpetual war.

Oh, and if you watched that Monsanto movie, the one that every American citizen HAS to watch: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-842180934463681887

you'll know that soybeans in Paraguay are big big lucrative business right now- and W. owns a 900,000 acre ranch down there [guess for what?]... Which is being guarded against the locals by US troops, since he's the President.

Yes, for some people, life is just ROSY.

So here's a column by William Rivers Pitt on Truthout about PNAC, lest anybody thinks this all just sorta "happened" to us. By accident, fluke, happenstance, or other such nonsense.

If you don't know what Truthout is, find out.

Before delivering his State of the Union address in January of 1998, President Clinton received a letter containing one explicit demand: invade Iraq immediately and overthrow the regime of Saddam Hussein.

"The only acceptable strategy," read this letter, "is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy. We urge you to articulate this aim, and to turn your Administration's attention to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power."

The letter was written by a group called the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), a right-wing organization originally formed by William Kristol, Republican pundit and son of neoconservative movement founder Irving Kristol, and by long-time GOP think-tanker Gary Schmitt. PNAC's original sources of funding in 1998 included notorious far-right groups such as the Scaife Foundations, the Olin Foundation and the Bradley Foundation. >>

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/041408J.shtml

Posted by: Anonymous | April 14, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Career Washington politicians like McCain and McClinton pile on?

Washington's cable new press corp "elite" pile on?

What a fraggin' circus.

I'm bitter and angry because of sell-outs like McCain and McClinton who get rich as "public servants" while screwing over ordinary Americans.

Trillions and trillions worth of debt pilled on the unborn who will never see one damn minute of benefit from the orgy of favors that feckless Washington politicians like McCain and McClinton have doled out to their benefactors over the years.

It's absolutely criminal.

McCain got off easy with the Keating 5 scandal -- $120 billion dollar tax-payer bailout -- not one cent of which has been paid off the national balance sheet 20 some odd years later.

Posted by: JP2 | April 14, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

People shouldn't worry that McCain would still do special favors for billionaire businessmen, pressuring regulators to leave them alone, in return for the use of the businessmen's private jets.

Yes, he did it for Charles Keating.

Yes, he did it for Lowell Paxson.

But those days are over. How do I know?

Because his wife Cindy now has her own private jet.

Plus, flying around the country in his private jet, from one palatial vacation home to another, McCain will get plenty of chances to rub shoulders with the common man.

Some of his neighbours are mere multi-millionaires, not even billionaires at all. If that's not the common touch, I don't know what is.

Posted by: Bud0 | April 14, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Words do matter!

Words don't matter!

Spoke wrong words!

What to believe?

Don't know!

Obamie is toast in November!

Posted by: Fed up | April 14, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

What's wrong with YOU people?

An elite, unqualified, gutless, hypocrite like Obama -- who would have voted "present" on the Iraq war resolution if he could have (like his hundreds of gutless Illinois legislature votes) -- shows what he is really made of when he lies about not being present during Rev. Wright's tirades (and then has to change that lie), and now is trying to get out of what he said and meant about people who "cling" to religion.

You people have drank the Kool-Aid of Jim Jones and Heaven's Gate. You are all walking Zombies!

There is no "there" there with Obama. He is a lying, pompous, hypocrite, and you are all trying to project values and qualities for him that aren't there.

He is a gutless liar and hypocrite. Period.

Posted by: Sal | April 14, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Is it any wonder that McCain's support for a "shield law" to protect journalistic integrity gets reported in the same breath as his criticism of Obama? Or that his announcement that his campaign will remain open and presumably "straight talkin'" is included as well, yet under the headline "McCain Calls Obama's Comments 'Elitist'"? This falls into the same successful pattern of the man systematically placating the press to ensure neutral, if not favorable coverage.

Never will the commentaries end about how cool riding the bus with him is; never will his curious lack of criticism against Clinton be examined in any detail. McCain has the press in his pocket, which is perhaps the best play he could have made considering the lack of enthusiasm for him within his party and for his party within the electorate. I tip my hat to him.

Posted by: Charles M. G. Taylor | April 14, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

All of you Obama supporters out there, go and post on the Pennsylvania newspapers' websites! We need to remind readers there, most of all, that Obama was really talking about the frustration that people feel when left out in the cold by the economic and political elites. His statement is far from elitist - it's closer to a realist. Clinton and McCain don't understand that we like to be talked to like adults every so often.

Posted by: alterego1 | April 14, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

McCain prefers to run against Hillary. That's why he is beating on Obama. I don't know what is elitist about loosing a father and a mother, and being raised by grandparents but the GOP rush job to get the worst democratic candidate is under way. The press loves it and cant wait to harm Obama's candidacy, which they have been doing for months. If Hillary gets the nomination I will vote for McCain out of spite.

Posted by: Paul J. Nolan | April 14, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

BLOODY JOHN!
100 YEARS?

Posted by: TOMHERE | April 14, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Note to all: while those with money may be the elite, the term "elitism" refers to an attitude of superiority, regardless of income. In other remarks, though less openly, Obama's elitism has shown itself. That *this* is his year, and we shouldn't look for him to run again, is an elitist sentiment. His entire posture when delivering a speech--gesturing and speaking out across the heads of the audience--reveals an elitist attitude.

Posted by: Allen Hoey | April 14, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Does the fact that McCain ditched his crippled wife after he returned from Vietnam, and married a beer heiress, or that after leaving the white house with $12 million in debt, The Clintons earned $100+ million in the last 7-8 years, partly with their book sales, and partly with Bill Clinton's speaking and "rain making" activities - does any of these condone, negate the effect of Barack Obama's remarks?

If Sens. Clinton and McCain need to be criticized, that should stand alone.

I am no fan of McCain or Obama. In the current article being discussed, what exactly is wrong with McCain's remarks?

Posted by: Krishna | April 14, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Senator McCain's record as an elitist speaks for itself. His economic philosphy is basically that of trickle-down economics- the belief that tax cuts for the wealthy eventually result in gains for the whole of society.

It is the core Republican economic philosophy, and it has had several consequences: first, it led to the dismantling of the New Deal protections which once protected us from a second Great Depression. Second, it has resulted in a 30-year period in which, regardless of overall economic growth, the top 25% of our society has enjoyed virtually all the benefits of growth while the remaining 75% has not benefitted AT ALL; third, it has led us to the latest recession and the largest national debt in the history of the United States.

Did I mention that, until recently, McCain was against any Federal assistance to homeowners in danger of losing their homes through loan foreclosure? Bear in mind that he was part of the group which removed the laws which once prevented interest rates from credi card debts and mortgages to skyrocket.

So, basically we have a guy whose actions have made people poor and bitter (McCain) criticizing the guy who accuately points out that people ARE bitter (Obama).

So, who would you choose?

Posted by: Michael English | April 14, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

oh, and let's not forget to keep the practice of looking down on those people that attempt to be intellectually astute...anti-intellectualism is slowly killing our country

Posted by: Geoff | April 14, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I find it interesting that McCain and Clinton are both shocked... shocked! that anyone would dare insinuate that all is not well amongst the populace.

Obama has not been a politician long enough to learn that most feel it necessary to sugar-coat and butt-kiss the voter at all times.

Obama may actually gain support over his comments. The reaction from the McCain-Clinton axis only shows how THEY are silly.

Posted by: steve boyington | April 14, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I cannot believe these two candidates actually have those words come out of their mouths calling Obama an "elitist." How do people worth hundreds of millions of dollars call someone worth one million dollars an "elistist." Thats like kids starvin in Africa calling us the poorest nation on earth.

Posted by: J | April 14, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Why is the MSM a lapdog for John McCain?

Posted by: Eric | April 14, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I will tell you who is elitist? It is McCain and Hillary whose wealth and influence is far more than Obama's. His comment may be politically incorrect yet is true.

Posted by: silverspring | April 14, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I am no Social Scientist, but, I will concede-No Wait!, I am not able to CONCEDE, I am not in the Election! ;~)

I will AGREE, that it would appear that those Struggling Typical People, become more Active in their Churches and their Typical Whitey Hunting activities. Could it be because they have more DOWN TIME?

Hmmm, RAT's got no Work lined up? What to do?

SURF! Wait, 200 friggin miles to the Texas Beach and Gas is approaching $4/ FOR NO DAMN GOOD REASON!, and I do not have a 6 figure job able to afford the trip!

Grrrr. NOW, I'm Bitter!

No, I am MAD! :-(

Now, what to do? Support an Elitist Con-Man Lawyer to Regulate Business? Or, keep Kicking McCain's Butt until he gets the best Venture Capitalist available on the Ticket to get Regulators under Control?

Congressional Lawyers VS. Military Guy and Venture Capitalist for the EXECUTIVE Branch? Golly, I might have to THINK about that!

I can only WISH another HALF OF THIS COUNTRY would remove their Craniums from their Collective Rectums and try doing the SAME!

McCain & Mitt, or Mitt & McCain-Everyone loves M&M's! :-)

Posted by: RAT-The | April 14, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

If anyone was actually paying attention to what Barack was saying, he was actually speaking in support of the people he was talking about! This spinning is getting rediculous

Posted by: Geoff | April 14, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Why not just get down on your knees and beg for the votes?

Oh, the Fine Hunting Tradition! The Glory of the Depression!

Where did most of the residents hardest hit by the Dust Bowl go?

California. That's a big reason why California is so 'Liberal'- It's made up of people who had their livelihoods taken away by nature, their houses taken away by banks, and their dignity taken away by 'farmers' in California.

Nothing like a good old fashioned 'Coon' hunt though, is there, McAngry?

Just be honest, get down on your knees and beg for the votes. Or try Crying! That works, too!

We have a tradition here as old as hunting. It's called Exploiting. That's all these vote-grovellers are doing, both of the pasty white ones.

I think someone is going to have to start taking McCain to task for his lipstick. How come nobody in the media asks why he's wearing lipstick? Are we supposed to just act like we don't notice?

How are we supposed to vote for a male president who's 5'2" and wears lipstick?

just sayin!

Posted by: McCainIsOld | April 14, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Wow, now Republicans who have trouble getting people of color and white women to vote for them are not elitist?

Wake up, McSame! If you're not an elitist, for once in your life have a backbone and oppose the tax cuts for the rich.

Posted by: DrRay from Ohio | April 14, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Weigh in, McCain, a/k/a Marie Antoinette, pile on, oh, king of free trade. Exactly how elitist was it for you to tell those same people their jobs are gone and they ain't coming back?

Posted by: Sara B. | April 14, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

So the guy with how many houses and a second wife that is how rich tells us Obama is "elitist." Obama's comments were in reference to all the emotional polling issues that Republican bring up each election because they have nothing else to stand on. Anti-gay marriage ammendments, for example, allow a person to cling to their religion as one issue they can vote about instead of facing all the real issues affecting the country.

Posted by: BaselBob | April 14, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

You know whats so funny about this bull?? I seem to remember in history class learning that a lot of people threw themselves from windows when the Great depression hit. I guess since he married a beer heiress he doesn't have to think about that.

Posted by: The Oracle | April 14, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Obama probably is a contradiction (in a number of ways) of what McCain thinks of as the American way. Now, fronting for Charles Keating--that's the American way! Fronting for the Empire--that's the American way!

Posted by: rusty 3 | April 14, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

oh, good grief. must propel the lies... as if john mccain, with his six homes, private airplane, top tier medical coverage -- has a friggin clue.

that's almost as sweet as the millionaire media monkeys clutching their hankies in mock horror at the insult. like nantucket vacation homeowners tim russert and chris matthews have a clue. hey, tweety, how many bowling alleys are there on nantucket?

and it's too funny that foxnews -- of all places -- takes the trouble to actually ask residents of pennsylvania if they were offended by obama's remarks. sadly, for them, that valiant effort backfired:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/04/13/foxnews-rural-pennsylvanians-find-little-to-argue-with-barack-obama/

Posted by: linda | April 14, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Post search: "bush" + "torture" = 133 hits
"obama" + "bitter" = 112 hits

What is wrong with you people?

Posted by: Bret Harris | April 14, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

The straight talk express is really off onto b.s. road. How often does Mchypocrite go to church? Elitist? Who married into the hundreds of millions Henley estate? Have you ever had a home paid for with your own money? How many square feet do you have at all of your homes, John?

Posted by: Jerry | April 14, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

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