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Sen. Barack Obama leaves a whistle stop rally at the Paoli Rail Station April 19, 2008 in Paoli, Pa. (Getty Images)

By Shailagh Murray
PAOLI, Pa. -- Sen. Barack Obama's whistle-stop train tour is being covered live -- by the Republican National Committee and Sen. John McCain's campaign.

Obama infuriated the McCain camp when he unleashed a riff yesterday depicting the presumptive GOP nominee as clueless about the economy. At issue is an interview McCain gave Thursday to Bloomberg TV, where he observed of the past eight years, "you could make an argument that there's been great progress economically." McCain also noted "that's no comfort" to people who are hurting, but Obama seized on the first sentence and is repeating it in every speech as his train rolls through southeastern Pennsylvania.

Minutes after Obama spoke in Wynnewood, RNC spokesman Alex Conant e-mailed a rebuttal to reporters, protesting Obama's shorthand characterization. He declared Obama a tax hiker who "doesn't understand the American economy." Shortly after Obama wrapped up a rally in Paoli, Conant fired off another missive, although this time "understand" had been changed to "grasp." McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds weighed in a few minutes later, "Barack Obama doesn't understand the economy, and he's disguising it by distorting John McCain's comments."

Obama is drawing large crowds today, with hundreds of people gathering on platforms just to wave as the train passes by. For these "slow rolls," Obama stands on the back platform, draped with red, white and blue bunting, and waves to folks -- some of whom may be a little too caught up in the moment.

At the Bryn Mawr station, Obama supporters stood on the adjacent tracks to greet their candidate, ignoring the whistle of an oncoming train. "Get off the tracks, guys, there's a train coming," Obama warned twice, until they complied.

By Web Politics Editor  |  April 19, 2008; 4:25 PM ET
 
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It is not Obama or Clinton's job to clarify McCain's statement. It is not there job to repeat his whole speech or thought.

Just as McCain has taken the whole "bitter" thing out of context, Obama has every right as McCain had to use his words against him.

Posted by: Mia | April 21, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

redline-LOL! :-D

I can already hear it Now!

January 21, 2009;

"I'm Barack Hussein, and I'm Running FROM the President of the United States"! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | April 20, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

........I'm not going to spend too much time on this....'cause who reads these things anyway.

But the amazing thing about this campaign, isn't all the mud that's being thrown at Obama....that's the same old politics..

...It's that it doesn't seem to be working.

(which is pretty profound....has America really changed?)

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Posted by: analysis | April 20, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

NcCain supporter comment:
"The Obasama Liar-Not Flyer!"

Hillary supporter comment:
"Men are vile pigs! Rise, Hillary, rise!"

I don't think you could put into more concise words why Barack Obama is going to be the next President of the United States.

Posted by: Green Eagle | April 20, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Hillary, Barack, I don't care who wins the nomination, as long as they're not too torn down to beat McInsane.

Hah, all you Obama haters (really Dem haters), can you say "teflon"? Wright, bitter, Ayers, throw what you want, a nice guy Barack isn't tarnished by this cruff.

Hah, all you Hillary haters, so she plays hardball politics, look at her policy positions, if she pursues just half her proposals she'll be a smashing success.

Republicans -- do you realize that your party is now outnumbered by "independents"? Hah, you can only pick the minority position on nearly every major issue, as well as persist in a no-benefit war, and favor the minority wealthy before you start to fade into oblivion. Until you temper your fervor with the reality of the popular majority, you'll keep diminishing on the way to the horizon.

Posted by: JTS | April 20, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

What is just amazing to me is that for all the rotten things Fox News and Richard Mellon Scaife are have done to every Democratic nominee and candidate including both the Clinton's is that Hillary is so desperate to find any short term support against Obama that she will go anywhere and say anything on their terms and their turf just to discredit her Democratic opponent. Doesn't it ever occur to her that the day that the nominee is declared by the Democrats, that whether she wins or loses, Fox News and Richard Mellon Scaife will burn every positive word thay ever said about Hillary and again skewer her worse than ever.It says something about her lack of truth and sleaziness that she would stoop to appearing in their newscasts.

Posted by: LetthemdrinkCrownRoyal | April 20, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

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HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR


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Posted by: - | April 20, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Mr. I'm so honest McCain, blah , blah , blah let's hear the straight talk about the Keating Five , how you protected your lobbyist buddies while we all paid for the bank bailout after your buddies raided the deposits at the bank.

Posted by: Cheating Keating Five | April 20, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

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The 44th president of the United States

President Barack Obama

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Posted by: + | April 20, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

McCain has already said himself that he doesn't know about economics. His statements prove it.

What is the argument about? Certianly not the facts or his knowledge.

This is the point where I get disgusted with politics, and even hope, for the sake of my time, that McCain and Hillary battle. That way I, once again, won't give a shirt who wins.

This country is doomed to become a lesser power, and this is the best we've got? Sad.

Posted by: jeffp | April 20, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you Hugh. If people write here and say that Obama should go back to Kenya where his father was born they should start packing their suitcases and go back to Ireland or Italy or any place their ancestors came from.

That they should abstain from eating Turkey, from celebrating Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving was introduced by Native Americans.
They should also refrain from listening to any music except Bluegrass and country. I gotta laugh because of the music of today was created by African American or has origin from Africa.

Let us face, this kind of thinking that Barack is Muslim so he is evil or that he should go back to Kenya is very defeating.

Then most people will have to start packing and leave their ancenstors' countris of birth. That includes mot of Congress, the cabinet, the Bushes, Mccains, Clintons, Mario Cuomos, the Kennedis...nearly everybody and that will leave this country in the hands of Native Americans.

Let us face it. This kind of the main reason Amercias are hated everywhere especially in the middle east and even beyond.

This is the same reason that the empire of USA will crush harder than the fall of the Roman Empire or like Noah's Ark. Where are the prophets to advice and warn these racists of an emminent punishment that may follow because of such words and actions of hate and prejudice.

Save the USA from sinking for pride goes before a fall. God hates pride and prejudice, th Bible says so. And His Judgment is coming.

Vote for Barack Obama and get free from this judgment. Obama 2008.

Posted by: Bradley Hassan | April 20, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Actionmac--
You are a moron. Do you read the Bible or read anything. Saying that Jesus would not vote for Obama is showing a very shallow understanding of love and the proper message that Christian preached: Love your neighbor as you love yourself, and love God with all your strength, spirit, mind and soul.
Now before so of you here show your shallow-mindedness and write bad things about Obama, think or if you can't think seek help from someone who thinks before you write anything.

Yesterday and of course for many days now some of you blogers have shown a hate and prejudice that very divisive and hateful. Some of you have said Obama is a Muslim. So, there are Muslims in the Congress. There are Muslims everywhere in the United States. Mohamed Ali is Muslim. And does that mean he is evil.

Some of you have said Barack Obama should go back to Kenya. But he was born in the USA. Come on why do you start packing you boxes and go back to Ireland or some other European country. That means a lot of people will have to pack and the USA. This is very stupid and racist. It is as evil as the devil himself.

And when you pack and go to the country where your ancestors came from, leave eatomg Turkey behind. Leave Thanksgiving behind, you morons.

This kind of thinking will destroy the thinker and also come back and destroy America.

People like these think maybe with their biles and no brains and it is dispecable.

Go Obama....

Posted by: Hugh Johnson | April 20, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

VOTERS DEMAND Obama tell about his relationship with Ayers/Iraqi crook Nadhmi Auchi/Hamas TERRORIST MOUSA ABU MARZOOK and TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER AIL BAGHDADI who write articles for Obamas church. It's important because voters are realizing those relationships, coupled with Obama's longtime relationship with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, is a pattern which Obama seems quite comfortable with people who really, really, really don't like the United States of America or white people! NOT U.S. PRESIDENTIAL MATERIAL!
Obama shows he is not ready to lead out country!
Quit blaming Charlie Gibson and George Stephanopoulos for Obama's shortcomings. Instead, blame is Obamas for failing to grasp how tax penalties on upward mobility hurting the very people he thinks he's going to help
Did someone say inexperience?

During the debate, Obama bungled on tax policy, big time. Period. End of sentence. End of story. To liberals in the media, Get over it. Obama proved he has a very poor grasp of basic economic principles.
First off, you don't raise taxes during a recession. That's a no-brainer. Second, doubling the capital-gains tax rate will affect Americans up and down the income ladder, not just rich hedge-fund managers. In addition, capital-gains tax cuts are self-financing, and they stimulate jobs and the economy. You want to raise budget revenues and spark economic growth? Cut the cap-gains tax rate. That's what history shows.
Another blunder Obama also proposed uncapping the payroll tax, his tax hike on payrolls would actually slam middle-income earners, eliminating that cap Obama will be soaking veteran firemen, cops, teachers, and health-service workers, along with a variety of other occupations. Fact, in America's largest cities, a firefighter married to a school teacher can earn close to $200,000 filing jointly. So not only will each spouse separately pay more for Social Security and health care under Obama's plan, together they'll also be slammed by Obama's cap-gains tax increase.
This is more than just a failure to understand the Laffer curve. It's another cultural misstep by Obama. I can't help but wonder if the senator knows any cops or firemen. His appeal is to well-educated latte liberals. That remark about middle-income folks having turned to God, faith, and guns because of economic setbacks? Not only was it ill-advised, it illustrates the wide cultural chasm that exists between the candidate and the rest of America.
Obama's economics are bad and his social circle is very limited. This is one of the many reasons why a quarter of the Hillary Democrats are telling pollsters they'll likely move to John McCain in the general election.
Obama's real agenda is far-liberal left. It's an ideology that places income redistribution above economic growth. That's his real message. And it's the same one that sunk Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry. Obama is aligning himself with the Democratic losers. And that will make him a loser as well.

African American communities desperately need capital in order to create new businesses and jobs. As Obama takes the capital out of capitalism, all those who are not rich will be hurt when the rich folks with capital have less of it -- after tax -- to invest in those new businesses and new jobs. That's exactly why wealth-redistribution plans always backfire. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is a surefire economic loser. So is putting government in charge of the economy, which is what Mr. Obama is proselytizing.
This marks the third mistake for the Illinois senator. Not only does he not understand economics; not only is he set apart from middle-class values and beliefs; he apparently hasn't read much history either. Did someone say inexperience?


Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

"Obama infuriated the McCain camp...."

What's McCain whining about now? Old Grumps has got to realize that the White House would be much worse than this.

When John McCain shows interest in and a grasp of economic issues, he may find that he's not so easy a target as now.

Posted by: FirstMouse | April 20, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Obama , who mimic a nasty rock star , thinks McCain is clueless.

LMAO!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 20, 2008 7:31 AM | Report abuse

Dave,

Are you serious? You must not have anyone to bounce this unrelated dissertation off I guess? There must be some economics blog somewhere.

Posted by: Redline | April 20, 2008 6:58 AM | Report abuse

So much anger...such little time. Can't wait til Jan. 20th. President Obama...sounds good to me...America...meet the 21st Century.

Posted by: Redline | April 20, 2008 6:47 AM | Report abuse

Have you ever grown marigolds or sunflowers, where you start them inside on your window-sills? What happens if it is too warm and too much sun, all at once over a period - they grow too fast, their stems can not keep up with the growth and they tumble over and many will perish... (You can not have growth, growth, growth- you need to let your stem get stable sometimes.)

As to what "caused" the Great Depression, you can not with any assurance point _only_ to the Gold Standard, the way it was run way back then. It comes down to policy and people and the other economic lays of the land at that time. One thing is for sure- a major cause of the Great Depression was debt.

When the people and corporations, whom were greatly in debt back then (with the roaring 20's still fueling them ever forward), experienced price deflation (the opposite of inflation but just as bad), they could not pay-back their loans. Then the banking system started to collapse. And then..

See any similarities to today? We do no have any standard pegging the value of dollar, other than debt. Debt=Money Creation. Thus, without debt (banks willing or even able to loan) we can not see our currency stay stable or see growth. The ins-and-outs are different now, but we are in the same challenges- perhaps even worth, for DEBT is how WE GROW (see the links I posted above- a nice film in the comments section on how this works.)

However the point I want to make is that our USD, what we work for, should be based on solid foundations- not on the foreign owners of OUR Federal Reserve and the banking and Wall Street elite. It should have a cold, hard value. (Even if only 2% backed by gold, or silver or heck, even services, hours, storage space [virtual or otherwise]- give me stability that I know is real.)

Posted by: Dave | April 20, 2008 6:23 AM | Report abuse

How can anybody be supporting Hillary at this point? Can't you see the way she is acting and her dirty politics. You all know Obama is the better choice!
Is it because he's black that you don't want him? Stop and ask yourself.

Pennsylvania Voters, VOTE!!!!!!
Get her outta of here so we can get this show on the road.

Posted by: The Deal | April 20, 2008 6:20 AM | Report abuse

I can't say my position any clearer than this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iLs-HI9I2k

Add all the current Bosnia, Penn Colombia crap - and a decision isn't that hard.

Don't get me started on McCain, is he older than FM radio?

Posted by: PAandUSAwantsCHANGE | April 20, 2008 5:59 AM | Report abuse

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N E O C O N S

F O R

H I L L A R Y

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Say anything, lie: the Americans are stupid ...repeat it enough, and they'll believe it

(look how we got them into Iraq)


HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR !

(she's one of us)

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Posted by: NEOCON | April 20, 2008 3:13 AM | Report abuse

The GOP always banked on an a cynical progressive electorate too obsessed with their standard complains against the gov but never bother to vote, Obama has rattled a sleeping giant, the status quo is in a panic

Posted by: MIra | April 19, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

jy2008, Obama will never have a shot on Dancing with the Stars -- it's an ABC/Disney/ESPN program.

McCain on the other hand will be dancing with Disney president Bob Eiger throughout the general election.

Eiger has clearly made a calculation that there is no other candidate in this election that is more likely to trade the interests of ordinary Americans for his companies business interest. McBush will give him everything he wants. McCain has quite a few sugar-daddies in Washington.

Informed voters have been paying close attention. The low-information ones are just getting played for suckers again and again.

Posted by: JP2 | April 19, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Like it or not the world is changing, and it's best that you get use to it.

Posted by: Mrs. C | April 19, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

"That's the thing with Obama that no one can deny- he is attracting the crowds and is well spoken. And he seems to have a brain on his shoulders."

Typical phenomenon. Dancing with Star. He is the right choice for that.

Posted by: jy2008 | April 19, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

I am HOPING Pennsylvania will finally turn the page for our beloved republic. I am a senior citizen feminist who will never vote for Mrs. Clinton. Hillary believes she is entitled to her husband's ex-job, but most Americans dislike and distrust her, and on good evidence. We've watched Hillary lie with a smile on St Patrick's Day about coming under sniper fire in Bosnia. Watched her smile as she knee-caps Obama with distortions on words taken out of context. Watched her smile as she lies to blue collar workers about NAFTA and about her working class identity, she of the multimillions from shady off-shore corporations and with a Yale law-school degree put to the service of union-busting Walmart. Senator Obama shows restraint and class in steering away from negative attacks on her, and whoa! is there a pile of *hit on record with the Clinton dynasty. Pardons in exchange for payback from criminals, Saudi millions for the Clinton Foundation, hundreds of thousands for support of the Colombian free trade treaty, etc, etc. Hillary cries for the camera, chugs down whiskey chased with beer for the barflies, and keeps intimate company with an impeached president caught lying with his hand on the Bible about not having sex with that woman. The more we watch Hillary, the more we distrust her. The more we know Obama, the more he becomes our candidate to change dynastic business as usual in Washington. We citizens of the American Republic denounce and reject the Clinton dynasty. We want our democracy back.

Posted by: shirlin | April 19, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

raticida-I say a whole lot more than your petty snipes.

Then, realize, you do not know what I have confided to both President McCain and (HOPEFULLY) Vice President Mitt Romney. I am way too smart to blurt out such things on the Internet.

BUT, suffice it to say; Ninny Peloser and the Dimocrat Congress are doing exactly the most "Estupida" thing they ever could, when it comes down to HELPING our Amigos de Latino Americana!

BELIEVE ME, when I say that just because I want Illegal Employment Stopped so we can restore Fair wages here in the US, does not mean I do not want to exert our influence to improve many other people's Lives in this entire Hemisphere. Why, should ONLY the US be the land of Opportunity?

Believe me AGAIN, when I tell you, and every other Hispanic who thinks I am somehow their enemy, that first I am not, and that there are BETTER Opportunities available!

The Protective Laws of Mexico's, are the BIGGEST Reason, Mexico is Backwards!

However, there are MANY other places in this Hemisphere NICER than Messico! ;~)

Look to Mitt and McCain! The Executives! :-)

Posted by: RAT-The | April 19, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama, forward march to the White House. There's plenty of work to do. Yes We Can.

PA gets the nod =) Oh shucks, everybody gets the nod, both supporters and the opposers (Obama has room for you even), all in Obama's honor. Absolutely.

With all due respect to McCain, Obama we need you to open that man's eyes up to the lot he is obviously out of touch with.

Obama '08: Yes We Can

Supporters: Yes WE Can

All in unison: YES WE CAN!!!!!

Sound the horns!! For nonsense shall not over-power common sense.

Posted by: Obama2008 | April 19, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

From the article: "Obama supporters stood on the adjacent tracks to greet their candidate, ignoring the whistle of an oncoming train. 'Get off the tracks, guys, there's a train coming,' Obama warned twice, until they complied.
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Yup, cultists...caught in a trance. Too stupid to get off train tracks for an oncoming train. Yeesh...

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

By the way, speaking of abortion...Obama voted FOR partial-birth abortion, both in the Illinois statehouse, and in the U.S. Senate. Don't think that won't be brought out front and center, and it will turn off many Independents who were considering voting for him. Poor Obama...so much baggage.

Posted by: veronica | April 19, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Best regards

jacksmith... Working Class :-)

p.s. You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

So, Jack Smith Working Class...you think the majority of Americans voting Democrat are idiots? Jack, you might be an idiot.

Posted by: Rick just another idiot who supports Obama | April 19, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Mccain is just so old and our luck he will start having health problems from day 1 and be in a old folks home before his term is over.I wouldent dare vote for him and besides that he allready has mermory problems and cant remember whos fighting who in Iraq.OBAMA 09,Rock The Vote.

Posted by: sharon | April 19, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

If the Democrats didn't support abortion, they might have more voters.

Posted by: Abortion is Murder | April 19, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Why do George W. Bush and John McCain, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and the other Republics hate America? Let's face it folks, they really do hate America. They wear their little flag lapel pins and say God Bless America and salute the flag, but they really do hate America. How do I know this. Look what has happened to this country in the last 7 years and 3 months and tell me me another reason why somebody would do this to our country and keep doing it unless they absolutely wanted to bring her down. Nobody could be doing this much damage to our country by accident or incompetence. Could they?

Posted by: If the Republics Only K new | April 19, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

If the Republics are against abortion why have they made one out of our country?

Posted by: If the Republics Only K new | April 19, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, and the Titanic was supposed to be unsinkable, the grandest ship of them all.
But she was heavily flawed, and there were so many mistakes that added up to one big event--she sank.

And so will Obama in November, when the people who don't post on these boards everyday go out and vote. They aren't going to vote for an empty-suit, no resume behind him, uber-left-wing liberal who is going to raise their taxes, with questionable associates through his whole life.

"Barack Titanic Obama", the unsinkable ship, goes down in November.

Posted by: veronica | April 19, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey Obama's the best recruiting tool the Republican party has

Sorry you lost the civil war, but at least you'll won't be able to deny it any more after November 4th!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

No matter what the McCain stand-ins say or do, the CANDIDATE says he does not understand the economy and economic talk.

Beside that, and even worse, he SUPPORTED WATER BOARDING, the CIA, and Bush on his vote against water boarding.

McCain does not deserve to be dog catcher, let alone anything else. And it you don't believe me, just wait until he has a real public blowup. It will happen, it is just a matter of when, not if.

If you think he is a maverick, look at all the people who surround him and advise him. They are all part of the inbreeding Washington crowd, and the only change they want is to feed at the same trough that Bush and his croonies have fed at for the last seven years, while the middle class in this country is destroyed.

Absolutely disgusting, and I ask again, what does him being a POW for five years have to do with qualifying him to be President? My answer - nothing.

He is the worst candidate the R's could put up, and he will get destroyed in the election.

Posted by: swanieaz | April 19, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Today at Mt. Pleasant,Michigan (home of Central Michigan University)we had our 2008 Michigan Democratic Party 4th Congressional District Convention to elect delegates to the Convention at Denver.At this convention, only people with a paid membership in the state Democratic Party as of February 28 can vote.This district is an amalgam of all of 13 counties plus part of Saginaw county extending northwest from Saginaw to Traverse City at the northwest corner of the state on Lake Michigan. It is mostly white except for possibly Central Michigan University and Saginaw.We had 89 Uncommitted(Obama) and 49 Hillary. We had 4 Blacks from Saginaw(Obama) and 1 Mexican(Hillary). We had exactly one college student and I don't think anyone else was under forty. I think the average age was around sixty years of age. I wish there were a new primary in Michigan. If Hillary can't win this demographic, I don't know where she can win in Michigan. I think she would get a corkscrew landing back in her kitchen were we to have another vote here with just Democratic voters.

Posted by: majorteddy | April 19, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Dave - The gold standard was dropped becuase you can't peg global growth of 4-5% annually to a monetary system that at max is growing maybe 1% a year. The gold standard caused the great depression because our Fed was more compliant to maintaining the gold reserve than supporting full employment.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

LOL! :-D

All I do is point out that we can stop the wholesale invasion of our Country by-Imagine this!-ENFORCING OUR EXISTING LABOR LAWS!

And I get Sooooooo much Love! ;~)

Bad news folks-My Anger is Completely directed at US Representatives NOT doing their sworn Duties to enforce our Laws, and the Criminal Employers BURNING the Communities they share by facilitating a very Damaging Invasion of our own Country.

By SIMPLY checking SKILLED workers at Construction Sites, Service Industries, and Automotive Industries for ID's we would eliminate the illegal and opportunistic Market that is destroying our Worlds!

The Overload to our Infrastructures and the Destruction of our ability to get COMPETITIVE Wages, HAS GOT TO STOP!

The Hispanics are the Symptom of a Problem, our own People have become the Disease!

Bush, I would call a Malignant Cancer! John Carter(Co-Sponsor of HR-1940:Birthright Citizenship Act, of which is rotting on San Fran Nan's Desk), John Cornyn, and Kay Bailey Hutchison, are CURES!

There! Something Positive! :-)

Now, Remember the Alamo?

Guess what? It is NOW sitting in a Sanctuary City!

Seems SOMEONE Forgot we once had to fight and Die for our Country! That WE did NOT want to be MEXICO!

So, how about; REMEMBERING THE ALAMO!

Davy Crockett, Jim Bowie, and many other great Hero's might stop rolling in their Graves! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | April 19, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Did someone on this blog really say "Men are vile pigs! Rise, Hillary, rise!?" That's right, it was Posted by 'Sisters for Hillary.' I guess it makes sense that such a hateful candidate has such hateful supporters. How pathetic. And, news-flash: Hillary can only rise, because she can't possibly get any lower. I'll stick with someone who has class. GO OBAMA GO!!!

Posted by: Missy | April 19, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Democrats have been arguing this for years, and now apparently John McCain has jumped on board:

Friday, he said: "I respect the views of people who basically think that the status quo is satisfactory today. I don't. I think Americans are hurting, and hurting badly. In fact, I think Americans are not better off than they were eight years ago, when you look at what's happened to middle-income Americans."

What? Didn't he just say Thursday, "I think if you look at the overall record and millions of jobs have been created, et cetera, et cetera, you could make an argument that there's been great progress economically over that period of time."

It took 24 hours for McCain to flip flop on Bush's record - and we're supposed to believe him. In fact, he's still trying to read Greenspan's book to figure out how to run the economy!

Posted by: Will | April 19, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Hi Sisters for Hillary there were lots of upper class white bigot females such as yourself fighting for the confederate flag back in the day. Glad you're gonna finally figure out who lost that battle.

YOU

Posted by: //--// | April 19, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

FACT: Teresa Heinz Kerry, raised by a wealthy white doctor in Africa, stated she was 'African-American'. Verbatim.

FACT: Michelle Obama is obviously what most people consider African-American.

No racism. Just facts.

Posted by: Racists Come in All Stripes | April 19, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Alex, thanks for the great comment!

As for me, I can only marvel that there are any Democrats left who haven't wised up about why McCain and the RNC show such fear and loathing for Obama, while ignoring Clinton...

Posted by: ally | April 19, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

McCain slogans 2008:

My son's a Marine in Iraq. How's the hedge fund, Chelsea?

I was in the Hanoi Hilton while Obama was in Underoos.

Obama: Ted Kennedy drove me to run. Thank God it wasn't Chappaquidick.

I didn't grow up going to the Church of God D*** America.

Obama: Total Gun Ban

Obama: I changed my mind on public financing. Thank God my mom changed it on abortion.

Obama: Bitter Latte than Never


Posted by: I'm Just Arugula Guy | April 19, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Double Standard,
What's up with your put down of African American wives (your words)? It seems that your true colors are showing, notwithstanding your attempt at convenient cover. Just scratch the surface and ... B

Posted by: bldlcc | April 19, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Nice video for Mrs. Clinton's supporters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&feature=related

Posted by: Gennifer | April 19, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

I have tried to read through these blogs to see if I could pick up anything worthy of changing my vote. I have only seen (for the most part) bickering, insulting comments, angry name calling and slanderous comments against anyone saying anything against Obama. After I say my piece I am loging out. I think Obama gives an inspiring PREPARED speech, but when he has to winging or having to answer a queston he hasnt prepared for and is not written down, the true Obama comes out. I only hope that we get to know the REAL man before election time. Who is Obama. He comes at us in many different forms. Will the Real Obama please standup>>

Posted by: gdbfred | April 19, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

These comment sections have become the equivalent of writings on a bathroom wall. The vulgar idiocy drags down the mostly reasonable opinions.

It doesn't have to be this way, but there are those- who seem to be happy to provide a bit of stench.

Posted by: Festering heap | April 19, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Kerry's 2004 slogan: Keep your hands off the Heinz "African-American (her words)" heiress' fortune. At least both Democratic candidates have AA wives. How PC

Posted by: Double Standard | April 19, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

"All married couple I know file jointly, except for this one rich senator running for president who wants to keep the bulk of his family income a secret to make him seem more of a regular guy."

Uh, was that John Kerry, perhaps? 2004, Teresa Heinz (Ketchup Queen) Kerry's spouse, perhaps?

What's good for the Democratic goose, ought to be good enough for the Republican gander, no? I think McCain followed the Democratic standard, eh?

Posted by: Kerry Okie | April 19, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

If it's fair to take 60 seconds of Reverend Wright and make an issue out of it, it's fair to take McCain's statement about the economy and make an issue out of it. If it's fair to take one sentence in Obama's San Francisco speech and make an issue out of it, it's fair to take McCain's statement about the economy and make an issue out of it.

If it's fair for Hillary to whine about Obama always getting the first question in a debate and about her press coverage (funny, for the press has been "out to get" the Clintons for the better part of two decades), it's fair for Obama to do the same.

Can we get to the real issues now? Health care, education, Iraq, trade policy, the economy, etc.

Posted by: P Diddy | April 19, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

John "Loopholes" McBush is really making an end run around those campaign finance laws he set up . . . from the Wall Street Journal:

"To help ease their fund-raising woes, John McCain's campaign has devised a new system to increase the maximum amount an individual can donate to the unofficial Republican nominee's election efforts.
. . . .
The new structure allows up to $70,000 in individual contributions by channeling the money into different McCain-centric funds. The first $2,300 of that would go to McCain's primary campaign. The Republican National Committee would receive $28,500 of the donation. The remaining funds would be divided equally, up to $10,000 a piece, among four states the campaign has designated as battlegrounds for November: Wisconsin, Minnesota, Colorado and New Mexico."

McBush slogans for '08:

"Get your hands of the Beer Heiress's Trust Fund"

or

"Because the Bank of China needs more American tax-dollars to fund tax-cuts for the top 1 percent"

or

"Outsourcing good paying American jobs since 1983"

McBush is no friend of the American economy.

Posted by: JP2 | April 19, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

"Minutes after Obama spoke in Wynnewood, RNC spokesman Alex Conant e-mailed a rebuttal to reporters, protesting Obama's shorthand characterization."

And a minute later Ms. Murray raced to publish the McCain campaign critiques.

Posted by: pmorlan | April 19, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

"Steve" is the old despicable "Fred" in drag.

Posted by: Monica | April 19, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

RAT-the is really the-NATZI! ;^) Why not just gather up all us black folk and stick us back on the plantation. Like that idea, do you? Nothing like the good ol' 1800's to restore your lifestyle, right?

Posted by: _shruti | April 19, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Steve says,
"Obama says he doesn't take money from oil companies. We say that's a little too slick." Idiot.

This is an old story that has been debunked many times- ad nauseum.

The money is from employees, It is not solicited from them or in anyway indicative of the support of the "oil companies." When you contribute you have to say who your employer is. If you work for an ice cream parlor, you have to say something like Company" Baskins and Robbins. Position: ice cream scooper. That does not mean that the ice cream companies are backing a particular company.

I work for Netjets Aviation- a Warren Buffet company. So far I've contributed $800 to Senator Obama. That does not mean that "aviation companies" are backing him.

By the way- Oil company employees have contributed more to Senator Clinton. Here is one that didn't.

'However, many of those contributions appear to come from workers at the firm. For example, Patrice McGowan, an Exxon-Mobil shift supervisor, who lives in Joliet, Ill., has donated $982 to Obama as of January. She also has a blog profile on Obama's campaign Web site.

"I am a single woman who has worked shift work all my life, sometimes never seeing another woman on the job for weeks," her profile reads, in part.

In a statement today, Obama spokesman Bill Burton, reiterated that Obama doesn't take PAC money or money from federal registered lobbyists, and "that includes oil companies and oil lobbyists."

contribute here for change that we can believe in

www.barackobama.com Thanks Steve

Keep it up Steve. I just sent in another $100 from "the aviation interests." You could bankrupt me if you keep this up. By the way Senator Obama's individual donors are closing in on the 2,000,000 mark. Mrs. Clinton's stands at around a tenth of that. Who is actually getting the fat cats?

Fess up Steve.

Posted by: Alex | April 19, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Osama is an American hating left wing loony that attends church every week to get his racist hate battery recharged!

Posted by: Gary | April 19, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse


McCain better be nice to fellow Americans, even if they are democrats; he should also be truthful. Else, he would be under tremendous pressure.

Would his heart take it??

Posted by: Center | April 19, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

"I find some of this shocking and racist versus Inspiring
SHOCKING Obama audio: anti-White speech from his own mouth."

Steve the intentional misinterpreter.

Steve, I, unlike you have read the whole book, so I don't need a Senator Obama hater telling me what he said- especially in out of context snippets that do not reflect Senator Obama's personna.

Those snippets- taken out of context was the Senator telling us the views of others that had expressed themselves to him- and which, after thinking about them- as he does- he uncategoricaly rejected them. He listened and then formed his own opinion- which is to embrace all people.

If I told you that while I was in the military, I had heard unbelievably racist things said about blacks, asians, hispanics, and anyone not like the person telling me these hateful things- would you then take my conversation out of context and say that it was me who had said those things? That would be a lie- and this youtube attack is doing the same thing. Senator Obama is telling us what he had to grapple with in forming his inclusive of all philosophy. You are attacking the man and the messenger for telling thr truth. You should be ashamed. As one on the youtube site said,

"Clearly, you are counting on people being totally ignorant and taking your non-contextual message as proof positive that this half black/half white man is some extreme racist. If you want to find a true racist DKDeepThroat you but need look in your mirror. When I see attempts like this to put down someone who has been totally open and hiding nothing. What you will find is that the thinking man will be inspired to read Obama's book and thereby defeat your attempt promote hate. Do U work for FOX"

Stop it Steve. We all see through your hateful motives. Not this time.

Barack Obama 2008

Posted by: Alex | April 19, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

dems infiltrate Republican candidate gatherings all the time, so this isn't news...

Posted by: Dwight | April 19, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

As a human being, I would never vote for a man that calls his own wife a cun*. You're right McCain - you're McNasty.

Posted by: Julie | April 19, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Sorry about the multiple posts my computer was ahnging up and I thought it did not go through.

Posted by: Steve | April 19, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Someone false claimed that the fact that Obama misrepresents his fund raising was "debunked". Not true! I think if anyone is a rat -- or more of a snake -- it's Obama for being so underhanded and hiding the truth form the American people, and assuming we weren't smart enough to learn the truth.

Special interests donate to Obama
Targets of criticism also big contributors
Friday, April 11, 2008
By Brett Lieberman
HARRISBURG, PA. -- The crowd of 2,000 was on its feet and roaring with approval as Democratic Sen. Barack Obama railed against special interests and lobbyists who have blocked health care and energy reforms.

"We can't just change political parties in the White House and think that things are going to change here in Harrisburg," Obama said during a recent presidential campaign stop. "We've got to change how politics is done in Washington."

Obama told the crowd that's why he doesn't accept contributions from political action committees or lobbyists.

"They're not funding my campaign. They won't run my White House," he said.

However, campaign finance records show that Obama has received tens of thousands of dollars from people in many of the same groups and industries he regularly rails against.

"He may not take money from (political action committees) or lobbyists, but he is taking interest money," said Sheila Krumholtz, executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks campaign finance issues.

"He's getting a lot of money from individuals representing lawyers and law firms, security firms, real estate and Hollywood," Krumholtz said. "You can't say that he doesn't take special-interest money."

State lobbyists and non-wage-earning spouses of lobbyists and lobbying firm employees have contributed $115,163 to Obama's campaign through March 20, according to the center.

People in the oil and gas industries have given $222,309 to Obama. He received $528,765 from the pharmaceutical and health industry, making him the largest recipient of the sector's largesse.


Posted by: Steve | April 19, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Someone false claimed that the fact that Obama misrepresents his fund raising was "debunked". Not true! I think if anyone is a rat -- or more of a snake -- it's Obama for being so underhanded and hiding the truth form the American people, and assuming we weren't smart enough to learn the truth.

Special interests donate to Obama
Targets of criticism also big contributors
Friday, April 11, 2008
By Brett Lieberman
HARRISBURG, PA. -- The crowd of 2,000 was on its feet and roaring with approval as Democratic Sen. Barack Obama railed against special interests and lobbyists who have blocked health care and energy reforms.

"We can't just change political parties in the White House and think that things are going to change here in Harrisburg," Obama said during a recent presidential campaign stop. "We've got to change how politics is done in Washington."

Obama told the crowd that's why he doesn't accept contributions from political action committees or lobbyists.

"They're not funding my campaign. They won't run my White House," he said.

However, campaign finance records show that Obama has received tens of thousands of dollars from people in many of the same groups and industries he regularly rails against.

"He may not take money from (political action committees) or lobbyists, but he is taking interest money," said Sheila Krumholtz, executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks campaign finance issues.

"He's getting a lot of money from individuals representing lawyers and law firms, security firms, real estate and Hollywood," Krumholtz said. "You can't say that he doesn't take special-interest money."

State lobbyists and non-wage-earning spouses of lobbyists and lobbying firm employees have contributed $115,163 to Obama's campaign through March 20, according to the center.

People in the oil and gas industries have given $222,309 to Obama. He received $528,765 from the pharmaceutical and health industry, making him the largest recipient of the sector's largesse.


Posted by: Steve | April 19, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Someone false claimed that the fact that Obama misrepresents his fund raising was "debunked". Not true! I think if anyone is a rat -- or more of a snake -- it's Obama for being so underhanded and hiding the truth form the American people, and assuming we weren't smart enough to learn the truth.

Special interests donate to Obama
Targets of criticism also big contributors
Friday, April 11, 2008
By Brett Lieberman
HARRISBURG, PA. -- The crowd of 2,000 was on its feet and roaring with approval as Democratic Sen. Barack Obama railed against special interests and lobbyists who have blocked health care and energy reforms.

"We can't just change political parties in the White House and think that things are going to change here in Harrisburg," Obama said during a recent presidential campaign stop. "We've got to change how politics is done in Washington."

Obama told the crowd that's why he doesn't accept contributions from political action committees or lobbyists.

"They're not funding my campaign. They won't run my White House," he said.

However, campaign finance records show that Obama has received tens of thousands of dollars from people in many of the same groups and industries he regularly rails against.

"He may not take money from (political action committees) or lobbyists, but he is taking interest money," said Sheila Krumholtz, executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks campaign finance issues.

"He's getting a lot of money from individuals representing lawyers and law firms, security firms, real estate and Hollywood," Krumholtz said. "You can't say that he doesn't take special-interest money."

State lobbyists and non-wage-earning spouses of lobbyists and lobbying firm employees have contributed $115,163 to Obama's campaign through March 20, according to the center.

People in the oil and gas industries have given $222,309 to Obama. He received $528,765 from the pharmaceutical and health industry, making him the largest recipient of the sector's largesse.


Posted by: Steve | April 19, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Someone false claimed that the fact that Obama misrepresents his fund raising was "debunked". Not true! I think if anyone is a rat -- or more of a snake -- it's Obama for being so underhanded and hiding the truth form the American people, and assuming we weren't smart enough to learn the truth.

Special interests donate to Obama
Targets of criticism also big contributors
Friday, April 11, 2008
By Brett Lieberman
HARRISBURG, PA. -- The crowd of 2,000 was on its feet and roaring with approval as Democratic Sen. Barack Obama railed against special interests and lobbyists who have blocked health care and energy reforms.

"We can't just change political parties in the White House and think that things are going to change here in Harrisburg," Obama said during a recent presidential campaign stop. "We've got to change how politics is done in Washington."

Obama told the crowd that's why he doesn't accept contributions from political action committees or lobbyists.

"They're not funding my campaign. They won't run my White House," he said.

However, campaign finance records show that Obama has received tens of thousands of dollars from people in many of the same groups and industries he regularly rails against.

"He may not take money from (political action committees) or lobbyists, but he is taking interest money," said Sheila Krumholtz, executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks campaign finance issues.

"He's getting a lot of money from individuals representing lawyers and law firms, security firms, real estate and Hollywood," Krumholtz said. "You can't say that he doesn't take special-interest money."

State lobbyists and non-wage-earning spouses of lobbyists and lobbying firm employees have contributed $115,163 to Obama's campaign through March 20, according to the center.

People in the oil and gas industries have given $222,309 to Obama. He received $528,765 from the pharmaceutical and health industry, making him the largest recipient of the sector's largesse.


Posted by: Steve | April 19, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Someone false claimed that the fact that Obama misrepresents his fund raising was "debunked". Not true! I think if anyone is a rat -- or more of a snake -- it's Obama for being so underhanded and hiding the truth form the American people, and assuming we weren't smart enough to learn the truth.

Special interests donate to Obama
Targets of criticism also big contributors
Friday, April 11, 2008
By Brett Lieberman
HARRISBURG, PA. -- The crowd of 2,000 was on its feet and roaring with approval as Democratic Sen. Barack Obama railed against special interests and lobbyists who have blocked health care and energy reforms.

"We can't just change political parties in the White House and think that things are going to change here in Harrisburg," Obama said during a recent presidential campaign stop. "We've got to change how politics is done in Washington."

Obama told the crowd that's why he doesn't accept contributions from political action committees or lobbyists.

"They're not funding my campaign. They won't run my White House," he said.

However, campaign finance records show that Obama has received tens of thousands of dollars from people in many of the same groups and industries he regularly rails against.

"He may not take money from (political action committees) or lobbyists, but he is taking interest money," said Sheila Krumholtz, executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks campaign finance issues.

"He's getting a lot of money from individuals representing lawyers and law firms, security firms, real estate and Hollywood," Krumholtz said. "You can't say that he doesn't take special-interest money."

State lobbyists and non-wage-earning spouses of lobbyists and lobbying firm employees have contributed $115,163 to Obama's campaign through March 20, according to the center.

People in the oil and gas industries have given $222,309 to Obama. He received $528,765 from the pharmaceutical and health industry, making him the largest recipient of the sector's largesse.


Posted by: Steve | April 19, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Someone false claimed that the fact that Obama misrepresents his fund raising was "debunked". Not true! I think if anyone is a rat -- or more of a snake -- it's Obama for being so underhanded and hiding the truth form the American people, and assuming we weren't smart enough to learn the truth.

Special interests donate to Obama
Targets of criticism also big contributors
Friday, April 11, 2008
By Brett Lieberman
HARRISBURG, PA. -- The crowd of 2,000 was on its feet and roaring with approval as Democratic Sen. Barack Obama railed against special interests and lobbyists who have blocked health care and energy reforms.

"We can't just change political parties in the White House and think that things are going to change here in Harrisburg," Obama said during a recent presidential campaign stop. "We've got to change how politics is done in Washington."

Obama told the crowd that's why he doesn't accept contributions from political action committees or lobbyists.

"They're not funding my campaign. They won't run my White House," he said.

However, campaign finance records show that Obama has received tens of thousands of dollars from people in many of the same groups and industries he regularly rails against.

"He may not take money from (political action committees) or lobbyists, but he is taking interest money," said Sheila Krumholtz, executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks campaign finance issues.

"He's getting a lot of money from individuals representing lawyers and law firms, security firms, real estate and Hollywood," Krumholtz said. "You can't say that he doesn't take special-interest money."

State lobbyists and non-wage-earning spouses of lobbyists and lobbying firm employees have contributed $115,163 to Obama's campaign through March 20, according to the center.

People in the oil and gas industries have given $222,309 to Obama. He received $528,765 from the pharmaceutical and health industry, making him the largest recipient of the sector's largesse.


Posted by: Steve | April 19, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Someone false claimed that the fact that Obama misrepresents his fund raising was "debunked". Not true! I think if anyone is a rat -- or more of a snake -- it's Obama for being so underhanded and hiding the truth form the American people, and assuming we weren't smart enough to learn the truth.

Special interests donate to Obama
Targets of criticism also big contributors
Friday, April 11, 2008
By Brett Lieberman
HARRISBURG, PA. -- The crowd of 2,000 was on its feet and roaring with approval as Democratic Sen. Barack Obama railed against special interests and lobbyists who have blocked health care and energy reforms.

"We can't just change political parties in the White House and think that things are going to change here in Harrisburg," Obama said during a recent presidential campaign stop. "We've got to change how politics is done in Washington."

Obama told the crowd that's why he doesn't accept contributions from political action committees or lobbyists.

"They're not funding my campaign. They won't run my White House," he said.

However, campaign finance records show that Obama has received tens of thousands of dollars from people in many of the same groups and industries he regularly rails against.

"He may not take money from (political action committees) or lobbyists, but he is taking interest money," said Sheila Krumholtz, executive director of the Center for Responsive Politics, which tracks campaign finance issues.

"He's getting a lot of money from individuals representing lawyers and law firms, security firms, real estate and Hollywood," Krumholtz said. "You can't say that he doesn't take special-interest money."

State lobbyists and non-wage-earning spouses of lobbyists and lobbying firm employees have contributed $115,163 to Obama's campaign through March 20, according to the center.

People in the oil and gas industries have given $222,309 to Obama. He received $528,765 from the pharmaceutical and health industry, making him the largest recipient of the sector's largesse.


Posted by: Steve | April 19, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

"Get over it" -- heck yeah I'm voting for the least corrupt. A matter of degrees is the difference between $5 trillion of new debt directed entirely towards the top one percent; and balanced budgets with the economic benefit directed towards the nation's middle class.

Those degrees of difference are a world of difference.

If voters want the DC lobbyists choice -- there is McBush. On the other side, there is a candidate with almost 1.4 million donors with an average contribution in the $100 range -- with only one quarter of that share coming from max. donors.

A candidate's primary obligation is to the people who fund his or her campaign. If the goal is to have a candidate who gets almost all of his money from special interest lobbies in Washington DC, you can bet that that candidate will cater to those special interest donors when he or she gets elected.

There is a real choice in this election. The candidate fighting for "American" interests broadly defined is NOT John McBush.

Posted by: JP2 | April 19, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Hey everytime I read any of the comments on this site, I notice the negativity of the-rat. Do you not have anything better in life to do than trash and misrepresent the candidates. I hope this gets printed.

Posted by: Orkin Man | April 19, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Alex, did you call me a hater? Is that a euphemism for being racist, because you've got that wrong, I always call out racists -- I would never sit in a room with racists for an hour let alone 20 years. Alas we find racism goes both ways and Obama loves racists because he is one.

I find some of this shocking and racist versus Inspiring
SHOCKING Obama audio: anti-White speech from his own mouth.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs

Posted by: Steve | April 19, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

"Screw 'em" Hillary said.

"During the past week, Sen. Hillary Clinton has presented herself as a working class populist, the politician in touch with small town sentiments, compared to the elitism of her opponent, Sen. Barack Obama.

But a telling anecdote from her husband's administration shows Hillary Clinton's attitudes about the "lunch-bucket Democrats" are not exactly pristine.

In January 1995, as the Clintons were licking their wounds from the 1994 congressional elections, a debate emerged at a retreat at Camp David. Should the administration make overtures to working class white southerners who had all but forsaken the Democratic Party? The then-first lady took a less than inclusive approach.

"Screw 'em," she told her husband. "You don't owe them a thing, Bill. They're doing nothing for you; you don't have to do anything for them."

The statement -- which author Benjamin Barber witnessed and wrote about in his book, "The Truth of Power: Intellectual Affairs in the Clinton White House" -- was prompted by another speaker raising the difficulties of reaching "Reagan Democrats." It stands in stark contrast to the attitude the New York Democrat has recently taken on the campaign trail, in which she has presented herself as the one candidate who understands the working-class needs.

"I don't think [Obama] really gets it that people are looking for a president who stands up for you and not looks down on you," she said this week.

But those who were at the event say the 1995 episode fits into her larger viewpoint. As Harry Boyte, the director of the University of Minnesota's Center for Democracy and Citizenship who was at the retreat, told The Huffington Post: "[Hillary Clinton] sees herself as the champion of the oppressed, but there is always a kind of good guy versus bad guy mentality. The comment before that was that 'the Reagan Democrats are our enemies and they weren't on our side,' and she was agreeing with that comment. She said we should write them off: screw them."

Huffington Post

Posted by: Fred | April 19, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I was born by the river in a little tent
Saw Hillary coming, down the road she went.
She carried the bitter politics of times long gone
And over the horizon, a new sun shone
A change is gonna come!!

Obama '08!!

Posted by: Cora | April 19, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

No One Has Pointed Out How Obama Rose in the Illinois Senate, that He Campaigned for Joe Lieberman Vs. The Anti-War Candidate Lammont, and that He voted Yes on the Bush-Cheney Energy Bill!

Obama and Me
It was the year 2000, and I was a young, hungry reporter in Chicago with a young, hungry state legislator on my speed dial
http://www.dallasobserver.com/2008-02-28/news/obama-and-me/

The white, race-baiting, hard-right Republican Illinois Senate Majority Leader James "Pate" Philip was replaced by Emil Jones Jr., a gravel-voiced, dark-skinned black senator known for chain-smoking cigarettes on the Senate floor.

Jones had served in the Illinois Legislature for three decades. He represented a district on the Chicago South Side not far from Obama's. He became Obama's kingmaker.

Several months before Obama announced his U.S. Senate bid, Jones called his old friend Cliff Kelley, a former Chicago alderman who now hosts the city's most popular black call-in radio program.

I called Kelley last week, and he recollected the private conversation as follows:

"He said, 'Cliff, I'm gonna make me a U.S. senator.'"

"Oh, you are? Who might that be?"

"Barack Obama."

Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.

"I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen," state Senator Rickey Hendon, the original sponsor of landmark racial profiling and videotaped confession legislation yanked away by Jones and given to Obama, complained to me at the time. "Barack didn't have to endure any of it, yet, in the end, he got all the credit.

Obama claims to be for change, but what about his performance, does it support hard work for change?
Substance Abuse
April 1, 2008
A widely forwarded e-mail claims that Obama's bills are more substantive and numerous than Clinton's. Don't believe it.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/substance_abuse.html

Obama is just another Bush...

Hillary is a brilliant candidate who can face McCain and win and leade the USA to peace and prosperity.

Posted by: Steve | April 19, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Barack Needs A Pope-Mobile

He's that big

And he's that good..................................................................................

R E A D M Y B L O G
http://jamestshirley.blogspot.com/

Posted by: James | April 19, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

"... How are men and women in the miltary supposed to salute this man as Commander in Chief when his closest personal and spiritual allies are domestic terrorists or treasonists who sermonize about America "deserving" 9/11? I knew people who died in 9/11, and that statement pierces my heart..."

Posted by: LonghornMama | April 19, 2008 7:18 PM

Well, Mama, wake up to this:
Partial transcript of comments from the Thursday, September 13, 2001 edition of the '700 Club.'

JERRY FALWELL: And I agree totally with you that the Lord has protected us so wonderfully these 225 years. And since 1812, this is the first time that we've been attacked on our soil and by far the worst results. And I fear, as Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense, said yesterday, that this is only the beginning. And with biological warfare available to these monsters - the Husseins, the Bin Ladens, the Arafats - what we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact - God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.

PAT ROBERTSON: Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zkaQXHSjug&feature=related

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey, folks, a little reality check: ALL politicians lie. They all say one thing and do something else. And all of them will be influenced by the big money donors and the big business lobbyists. So which one are you picking -- the one that the least dishonest? The one that hasn't been caught yet? The one who most effectively hides his or her intentions?

Get over yourselves. Save the vitriol for your drinking buddies or your knitting circle. Or better yet, spew your spleen into the mirror. Because after all, this is a democracy. You picked 'em, and they are just like you.

Posted by: Get over it | April 19, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Barack Needs A Pope-Mobile

He's that big

And he's that good..................................................................................

R E A D M Y B L O G
http://jamestshirley.blogspot.com/

Posted by: James | April 19, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Steve the hater says,
"Obama says he doesn't take money from oil companies. We say that's a little too slick." Idiot.

This is an old story that has been debunked many times- ad nauseum.

The money is from employees, It is not solicited from them or in anyway indicative of the support of the "oil companies." When you contribute you have to say who your employer is. If you work for an ice cream parlor, you have to say something like Company" Baskins and Robbins. Position: ice cream scooper. That does not mean that the ice cream companies are backing a particular company.

I work for Netjets Aviation- a Warren Buffet company. So far I've contributed $800 to Senator Obama. That does not mean that "aviation companies" are backing him.

By the way- Oil company employees have contributed more to Senator Clinton. Here is one that didn't.

'However, many of those contributions appear to come from workers at the firm. For example, Patrice McGowan, an Exxon-Mobil shift supervisor, who lives in Joliet, Ill., has donated $982 to Obama as of January. She also has a blog profile on Obama's campaign Web site.

"I am a single woman who has worked shift work all my life, sometimes never seeing another woman on the job for weeks," her profile reads, in part.

In a statement today, Obama spokesman Bill Burton, reiterated that Obama doesn't take PAC money or money from federal registered lobbyists, and "that includes oil companies and oil lobbyists."

contribute here for change that we can believe in

www.barackobama.com Thanks.

Posted by: Alex | April 19, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

You might be an idiot if you take one word of what JackSmith says without the proverbial grain of salt. Jack, some of us were indeed born at night, just not last night. Vote for your candidate of choice,as will I. It's called American democracy! B

Posted by: bldlcc | April 19, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

how in the world do the supporters of sen. clinton have the ability to troll the net waiting to be the 1st to post idiotic statements.

she should use her money more wisely instead of wasting it on such nonsense.

Posted by: autopt | April 19, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I would have wanted Obama to respond as forcefully and persistently as he was attacked in the debate, but he (a person well-schooled in Chicago politics) didn't. You could see him agonizing over how negative he could get without going against his own preference for staying above the fray, because damned if he, damned if he didn't.

Tha fact is that there was nothing he had not previously dismissed as baseless or pointless, or has not shown the Clinton flip-flops, say-anything, do-anything-when-convenient Clinton approach.

Hillary has said much worse about the Southern White working class ("Screw 'em") after they went Republican in 1994. THAT was not even brought up-- even to let her confirm/deny a story written in a 2001 book and confirmed by others who heard that remark. Nor was her praise of MoveOn.Org when they served her interest and then blasting them when they staarted supporting Obama. Both stories have been reported by the Huffington Post -- the same source that gave her Obama's "Bitterness" remark which she did exploit.

Now today's NYTimes talks about Clinton surrogates (including Chelsea and others) badgering undecided superdelegates, reminding them what they owed the Clintons. Pretty shabby, in my opinion.

Slowly but surely, the mood in the country (and quite visibly among the superdelegates) seems to be settling that Hillary is too divisive and too casual with facts to be a desirable (or the best) nominee against McCain. The same Republican machine that she tries to scare Obama with would tear into her and her U-turns and flip-flops, perhaps with vengeneance this time after seeing Bill C. slip through their impeachment efforts.

My suggestion to Obama: Be GRATEFUL to Hillary for serving as a stand-in for McCain.

Posted by: cantabb | April 19, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Sisters for Hillary, you forget that Hillary voted FOR the Iraq war and sided with the men like Dubya and Shotgun Dick. Where was Hillary on this when she voted and did not read that NIE report? Women are not dumb, just your sister Hillary.

Posted by: Black and Bitter like Coffee | April 19, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

I have to say that this election has been more entertaining then any of the shows that have been on television the last few years.

Posted by: Old Coot | April 19, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

DON'T BE DUPED !!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. With Hillary Clinton you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. "Carpe diem" (harvest the day).

I think Hillary Clinton see's a beautiful world of plenty for all. She's a woman, and a mother. And it's time America. Do this for your-selves, and your children's future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don't want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama's. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! OUT GUNNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON'T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton's have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton's. Only the Clinton's are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

"This is not a game" (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith... Working Class :-)

Posted by: jacksmith | April 19, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

MY FELLOW "BITTER", STUPID, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE :-)

If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of "BITTER"!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. :-(

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)

Best regards

jacksmith... Working Class :-)

p.s. You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you don't know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering...

You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. :-)

Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don't die from. And I could go on, and on...

Posted by: jacksmith | April 19, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

"Sisters for Hillary" are nothing more than McCain supporters in drag. Ignore them.

Posted by: svbreeder | April 19, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

John McCain can run on George W. Bush's economic record if he thinks it has helped America. It is a free country and he is free to express his opinions. We can let the people decide in November if they agree with him, or if they think that it is time to change those policies and support Barack Obama. Obama wants to restore taxes on the rich, retain middle class and lower income tax cuts, save money by leaving Iraq and spend it on improvements such as improved health care and education funding. He wants to re-regulate trade and business transactions for the benefit of ALL Americans and provide relief for homeowners ambushed by the mortgage crisis. McCain just wants to keep things going as they have been - endless war in Iraq, permanent deficit spending and tax cuts for the richest Americans, and no help to middle and low income people. He's a good Republican. That's what they believe in and they have every right to present that to the people. Let the voters decide in November which is the best policy.

Posted by: Chuck | April 19, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

During the Wednesday debate, Hillary talked about ordering a "massive retaliation" against Iran if they act in some way against Israel. (And what is our "national interest"?)I HOPE she would do the courtesy of at least going to Congress first to seek a declaration of war! Not too far from McCain's "bombbombbomb Iran" musical hint. A few days ago, she also spoke to a newspaper association gathering about going through the motions of diplomacy before she "escalates" actions against Iran. It sounded like a foregone conclusion--or should I say a "wink wink" to AIPAC? Iran's current president is only in power until 2009--when he may not be re-elected.(There's a lot of internal dissatisfaction with his handling of foreign affairs and the domestic economy in Iran, according to foreign policy expert Barbara Slavin.) What is the point of this Bush-like, war-mongering rhetoric? Are they courting AIPAC contributions? A misguided attempt to secure "the Jewish vote"--not all of which only sees Israel's political right winger's positions? In her speech to the newspaper association, Hillary mentioned her "belief" that Iran was somehow behind a Jewish community center(?) bombing in Brazil years ago--one that Hezbollah of Lebanon may have been involved in. No one knows for sure. Her use of this to support her position reminds me of the cherry-picked, unreliable "evidence" used by Bush/Cheney to get us into the Iraq war. Obama has a much more prudent approach to Iran that gives them a way to negotiate without losing all their national pride.

I like some of Hillary's domestic policies, but I think she would be a disaster on the foreign policy front. (For example, her overly hostile stance with China is almost as bad as that of Bush's with North Korea and Iran.) I also fear that her antagonistic approach on the domestic front will not lead to her "solutions" ever getting implemented. A fighter is good in a boxing ring--but how does that help in a democracy where our institutions are intended to work out compromises?

Posted by: laura | April 19, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

When McCain antes up the $5 trillion he's dumped on taxpayers children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren over the past 8 years -- plus the $120 billion of bailout money for Keating and his S&L buddies in the 1980s -- then we can start saying that McCain "knows" what's good for the American economy.

Until then McCain works for the 59 federal corporate lobbyists who runs his campaign -- not the American people.

And don't think for a moment that McCain's sell-out of Boeing for French Airbus -- and his campaigns' strong connections to the Airbus supertanker deal -- won't be an election issue in Washington state and Kansas this year either.

Posted by: JP2 | April 19, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Steve--Think!!

As an individual, if you give money to a campaign, it is not the same as the company that you work for giving the money-it is the individual giving.

Employees of oil companies are giving to Obama in their individual capacity, not for the company. I work for the state of Texas. When I give to Obama, it is not the state of Texas giving.

Steve - I presume you are employed. Your contribution (to whomever), would not be from your employer, but from you. Likewise, employees of oil companies giving is not the oil company giving. Have we lost all reason?

Posted by: alice | April 19, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

So NObama's camp is ripping Hillary today for Bosnia ... yet, unless he is a blatant liar he slept in church for 20 years while his Rev ranted anti-white America garbage!!
He is not fit to be President of the USA!

Posted by: Elinda | April 19, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Thugs R US - The Obama Campaign

Obama is nasty, ruthless and utilizes techniques not unlike those of a street hoodlum. He recently gave Hillary the finger and laughed about it on Public TV. How did he get away with this? He also stole his position as senator by stealing it from the other contenders by having all his competition unfairly disqualified.

Besides this he is surrounded by unsavory characters such as Ayers of the violent group Weather Underground, the white hating Rev. Wright and Senator Meeks, a wife who openly hates America, his Kenyan half brother Islamic Jihad terrorist Abongo "Roy" Obama, or his Jewish/Israeli hating best friend Rashid Khalidi, or his close advisor Robert Malley who advocates supporting and helping the terrorist group Hamas, or Mr. McPeaks, Obama's military advisor who open believes American Jews are the "problem." and "Christian Zionists were driving America's policy in Iraq to benefit Israel," or Obama's super delegate and major long term supporter Senator Meeks who openly hates and distrust all whites and gays or Obama's most dangerous affiliation to Mr. Auchi who was Saddam Hussein right hand man and made billions in Iraq and has been a important supporter and behind the scene man throughout Obama's rise to power.

Is this the role model we want for our children?
Do we hate ourselves so much as to elect someone into office who is so clearly intent on destroying this country? Or are we blinded by our fear of not wanting to seem racially prejudice so we vote for a color and not for a man.

Posted by: Natalie Martarn | April 19, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

"MoveOn and other fascist outfits"

Darn.

I wish I had know that moveon.org was a "fascist outfit." I just contributed another $25 to their organization to help stop global warming.

How are they "fascist?" and what does "fascist" mean? I don't think the cretin that posted the comment really knows. Must be a Clinton backer.

3.2 million moveon.org members are not fascist. I served in the United States Air Force for many years, defending my country for freedom of speech and democracy and would not belong to any organization that espoused "Fascism" in any manner. You might note that moveon.org was first founded to help the Clintons "moveon" after the Lewinsky scandal. It came to Bill's defense. Maybe we wasted our time.

"Considering how MoveOn.org was originally founded to defend the Clintons, this must be a blow to Senator Clinton,(the Senator Obama endorsement.) Coming after the Kennedy and Kerry endorsements, today's news begs the question: Why are those most familiar with Clinton's record rejecting her?"


www.moveon.org


www.barackobama.com

Posted by: Molly | April 19, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

No one has to sell anyone on any candidate, we have to educate ourselves,
but that means looking for good as well as bad.
No one is as "bad" or as "good" as the media portrays them.
Most candidates real lives are much more mundane than the press makes it out to be.
Where is the fourth arm of government fighting the establishment with truth.
The press is guilty of making stories much more interesting than they really are.
That is why we only get soundbites out of context about all the candidates.

Posted by: dufus | April 19, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that Obama can attack Hillary 24/7 in his speeches and through surrogates but when she attacks him she's NEGATIVE but when he attacks he he's being DEFENSIVE. What a passive aggressive, underhanded load of BS.

Hillary has been easy on Obama, this is a cakewalk compared to how McCain would blow holes in all his empty Hyperbole.

Posted by: Cass | April 19, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Of course, the McCain campaign is trailing Obama. Since the press isn't covering his campaign--except to stand passively on the side-lines and cheer it on--the Republicans must.

This is the candidate who has claimed the moral high ground, the "new" politics that doesn't engage in the "distractions" or any of the other nasty business of the past. The only thing that's new is this bogus claim. The behavior is identical. However, since the press has written him a free pass, it's up to the other candidates to call him on it.

The press has much to answer for in this nomination race. I haven't been so angry at the press since they facilitated the war in Iraq by passively accepting the false claim of WMD's. The press is no longer a source of information. It's just a collection of personal opinions and the public chooses the source that best matches their opinions.

The rose-colored curtain that hides the Obama campaign will be lifted during the general election campaign. Since I'm a yellow dog Democrat that will give me no pleasure.

Posted by: Yellow Dog | April 19, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Of course, the McCain campaign is trailing Obama. Since the press isn't covering his campaign--except to stand passively on the side-lines and cheer it on--the Republicans must.

This is the candidate who has claimed the moral high ground, the "new" politics that doesn't engage in the "distractions" or any of the other nasty business of the past. The only thing that's new is this bogus claim. The behavior is identical. However, since the press has written him a free pass, it's up to the other candidates to call him on it.

The press has much to answer for in this nomination race. I haven't been so angry at the press since they facilitated the war in Iraq by passively accepting the false claim of WMD's. The press is no longer a source of information. It's just a collection of personal opinions and the public chooses the source that best matches their opinions.

The rose-colored curtain that hides the Obama campaign will be lifted during the general election campaign. Since I'm a yellow dog Democrat that will give me no pleasure.

Posted by: Yellow Dog | April 19, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Sisters for Hil-LIE-ry SHE CAN'T Rise she is DEAD and only JESUS ROSE FROM THE DEAD!!!!!!!!!!

The GOP is SCARRRED!! OF THE BLACK MAN. If it is left to McCrazy We all will be PICKING COTTON!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Kfitz | April 19, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

No amount of media bias on behalf of Obama will help him beat John McCain in November. How are men and women in the miltary supposed to salute this man as Commander in Chief when his closest personal and spiritual allies are domestic terrorists or treasonists who sermonize about America "deserving" 9/11? I knew people who died in 9/11, and that statement pierces my heart. In the "too cool for school" Chicago suburb of Hyde Park, our would-be President regularly sips white wine with haters of this nation. His friend Mr. Khalid is a major supporter of Hamas which wrote the anti-Zionist article that Obama's preacher put in his Pastor's Page last July. If you've never had Hamas write anything for your church's bulletin, raise your hand. And by the way, after the media sells you Mr. Obama with all of his shady, smarmy criminal and treasonist friends, they will leave you in a heartbeat when the world finds out Obama is a sham. They sold you Jimmy Carter and then blamed YOU for voting for him.

Posted by: LonghornMama | April 19, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Living in PA, we are being bombarded by Obama ads. He has an running that he does not take money from the big oil companies, thus implying that Hillary does. Well as Factcheck.org rightly points out, he cannot take contributions from oil companies, it is illegal and has been for over a hundred years.
Now this is the real Obama, he is trying to manipulate the Bitter vote in his favor by trying to make it look like Hillary does take contributions from the Oil Companies.
The truth of the matter is, he does take money from oil companies, just not directly. Employees of oil companies and their families are allowed to contribute to his campaign, as well as Hillary's and McCain's campaign.
As Factcheck brings to public light, two of Obama's fund raisers are oil/gas executives who have raised between $50,000-$100,000 each as well as donations from employees of oil/gas companies totaling around $230,000.
This is a great ploy on his part with the recent hikes in gas prices. In North Eastern PA where I live gas is almost $3.50/g and estimates are $4-$5/g by end of summer.
Is this the Change Obama wants to bring to us? He keeps talking about change, well, his dirty politics, lies and all around assuming American voters are dumb, is not change, we have seen this politics for years.
Obama says he doesn't take money from oil companies. We say that's a little too slick.
Summary
In a new ad, Obama says, "I don't take money from oil companies."
Obama has accepted more than $213,000 from individuals who work for companies in the oil and gas industry and their spouses.
Two of Obama's bundlers are top executives at oil companies and are listed on his Web site as raising between $50,000 and $100,000 for the presidential hopeful.
Analysis
Sen. Barack Obama's ad began running late last week in Pennsylvania and Indiana. In it, Obama talks about the United States' reliance on foreign oil and the need for energy independence and alternative fuels.
Only Legal Contributions, Please
Obama's right on both counts when he says that "Exxon's making $40 billion a year, and we're paying $3.50 for gas." ExxonMobil's profits in 2007 hit $40.6 billion, the highest ever recorded by any company.

Posted by: Steve | April 19, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

The steamy piles in latrine,
Rise Hillary Rise

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Reading these posts, I sense the intellect that got us into this trouble in the first place.
The people voted this last guy in! (more or less)
This liberal/conservative banter does nothing to solve the problems we face.
The Conservatives have had their day, we see the results, so lets see what the "people" do next.

Posted by: dufus | April 19, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

RAT-The is a albino rat.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

This is not NONSENSE Obama is no environmentalist -- He voted for the Bush Cheney Energy Bill and Hillary didn't. Lusck for him (and Benjamin) you can't be prosecuted for lying in a campaign.

Obama is everything he claims he's not. He compares Hilary to Bush but he's Bush all over again, look at FL. And why did he support this bill, Hillary didn't. I think Bush set the bar so low Obama thinks anyone can be president. Plus he definitely helped Bush on this one.

Vice-President Cheney crafted an energy bill with corporate energy pals in Congress that stripped authority from the states on the siting of

Today, the Cheney-Bush Energy bill is responsible for no fewer than 3 LNG facilities threatening Oregon coastline, rivers, forests, fish, fishermen, farmers, and neighborhoods up and down western Oregon, and most of that natural gas will ultimately go to California.

Let's see who was for this mess and who was against it:

Opposed the Cheney-Bush Energy Bill
Hillary Clinton
Ron Wyden
Earl Blumenauer
Peter DeFazio
Darlene Hooley
David Wu

For the Cheney-Bush Energy Bill
Barack Obama
Gordon Smith
Greg Walden

Obama seems to have a dual personality -- his campaign persona versus what he actually does in action and there is a wide disconnect between what he says and what he does. The media owed it to the American people to educate them on what Obama has really been doing versus what he's been saying stumping foe votes.


Posted by: Steve | April 19, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I am so looking forward to the general campaign - McCain keeps sticking his foot in his mouth!

"I didn't say I'd be willing to stay in Iraq 100, or even 1,000 years." Sorry McBush - we got the videotape!

"I know understand full-well the economy." Sorry McBush, we got videotape, speech transcripts, flip-flops on tax policy, hypocracy on ear-marks!

"I am the foreign policy guru." Sorry McBush - you don't know Shi'ite from shinola!

It's gonna be a mauling. I almost feel sorry for the old geezer.

Posted by: RicardoMalocchio | April 19, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Like deer in the headlights...Obama supporters won't know what hit them until after the train has rolled right over them.

Posted by: Deerarevermin | April 19, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

"Today, the Cheney-Bush Energy bill is responsible for no fewer than 3 LNG facilities threatening Oregon coastline, rivers, forests, fish, fishermen, farmers, and neighborhoods up and down western Oregon, and most of that natural gas will ultimately go to California."

Nonsense.

From Fact Check

Oil Slick (Again)


"The Clinton smear mailer further charges that Obama "voted for Dick Cheney's energy bill that gives huge tax breaks to oil companies." Obama did vote for the 2005 energy bill to which Clinton refers. But as we've said more than once before, her claim that the legislation resulted in large tax breaks for the oil industry is misleading.

In fact, the bill President Bush signed into law in 2005 actually raised taxes on the oil industry overall. The nonpartisan Congressional Research Service said that the Energy Policy Act "included several oil and gas tax incentives, providing about $2.6 billion of tax cuts for the oil and gas industry. In addition, [the act] provided for $2.9 billion of tax increases on the oil and gas industry, for a net tax increase on the industry of nearly $300 million over 11 years."

Many subsidies were proposed during debate, but they didn't make it into the final
Scott Olson/Getty Images

bill, which contained a total of $14.3 billion in tax breaks, most of which didn't go to the oil industry. Instead, they benefited electric utilities and nuclear power, as well as alternative fuels research and subsidies for energy-efficient buildings and vehicles.

Clinton has been consistent, however, in her opposition to the tax breaks the bill contained. She voted for the bill that originally passed the Senate, but spoke out against and opposed the final conference bill, objecting to tax provisions it included as well as the deletion of provisions to reduce oil consumption and increase the use of electricity from renewable sources. Obama voted for both bills and lauded provisions regarding ethanol, which is produced in his state of Illinois."


The fear of Liquid Natural Gas facilities to be bult in Oregon expressed by the Oregon reader is fine, but the energy bill does nothing to promote them. It just makes the Federal government responsible for the process by saying FERC will have jurisdiction. If an individual state does not want a facility, there is no way that it can be built there. Paranoia is alive and well. By the way, Hillary voted for the original bill which included the FERC provision before she voted against it because some of her pork barrel items for New York were not included.

"The Energy Bill:" that was passed

Establishes new energy efficiency standards for a wide variety of consumer products and commercial appliances, and offers tax incentives to encourage their purchase
Encourages improved efficiency in homes and buildings, establishes new aggressive Federal energy savings goals, and reauthorizes the Energy Savings Performance Contract program to conserve more energy at Federal facilities
Offers tax incentives to consumers to purchase energy-efficient hybrid, clean diesel, and fuel cell vehicles
Requires a new, multi-year rulemaking by the Department of Transportation to increase fuel economy standards for passenger cars, light trucks, and SUVs
To Expand The Use Of Alternative And Renewable Energy, The Energy Bill:

Establishes a new Renewable Fuel Standard that requires the annual use of 7.5 billion gallons of ethanol and biodiesel in the nation's fuel supply by 2012
Extends the existing tax credit for production of electricity from renewable resources, such as wind, biomass, and landfill gas, and creates for the first time a tax credit for residential solar energy systems
Authorizes full funding for the President's Hydrogen Fuel Initiative
Provides Federal risk insurance and extends the Price-Anderson Act to mitigate the potential cost of unforeseen delays and encourage investment in a new generation of safer, more reliable, and more proliferation-resistant nuclear power plants
To Increase The Domestic Production Of Conventional Fuels, The Energy Bill:

Makes needed reforms to clarify the onshore oil and gas permitting process, and reduce conflicts with other laws and regulations (stormwater, CZMA, hydraulic fracturing)
Clarifies FERC jurisdiction over siting of onshore LNG facilities to accelerate development of a global market in natural gas and help reduce prices for U.S. consumers
Authorizes full funding for the President's Clean Coal Research Initiative and updates Federal coal leasing laws
Eliminates the 2 percent "oxygenate requirement" for reformulated gasoline, to improve the flexibility of our fuel supply and reduce the number of "boutique fuels"
To Encourage Investment In Modernization And Reliability Of Our Energy Infrastructure, The Energy Bill:

Requires mandatory reliability standards to make the electric power grid more reliable and protect against blackouts
Reforms outdated tax laws to expand investments in electric transmission and generation facilities
Establishes last-resort Federal siting authority for transmission lines deemed in the "national interest" to ensure a better functioning power grid
The Energy Bill Also Helps Reduce The Global Demand For Energy By:

Working with our international partners - including fast growing nations like China and India - to encourage them to deploy the cleanest and most efficient energy technologies as they develop and grow their economies
# # #

Posted by: Benjamin | April 19, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Why does John McCain get so much free press? Isn't he running out of money, and skirting the McCain-Fiengold law? There is no FEC to complain to, so there is even a court case about this.

Posted by: lwps | April 19, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Quieting dissenting voices comes naturally to you, other Omaba supprting slime like you, MoveOn and other fascist outfits, and above all to your main man Hussein, does it not?

Posted by: intcamd | April 19, 2008 6:58 PM

Say what? I'm not so concerned about your spelling as I am about your logic. Does what not? Take a breath, think it out, and slowly make your point.

Posted by: Rick | April 19, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

"How about the rest of you good Democrats? Let's put quiet Hillary's very un-Democratic shrillsters"

Rick

Quieting dissenting voices comes naturally to you, other Omaba supprting slime like you, MoveOn and other fascist outfits, and above all to your main man Hussein, does it not?

Posted by: intcamd | April 19, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

If Florida and Michigan is not counted, this nomination is flawed and should be rejected. Obama wants to keep Florida and Michigan out which in terms of population is equal to keeping 20 states out ( like Arkansas, Kansas, Utah, Nevada, New Mexico, West Virginia, Nebraska, Idaho, Maine, New Hampshire, Hawaii, Rhode Island, Montana, Delaware, South Dakota, Alaska, North Dakota, Vermont, Washington DC and Wyoming).
I am surprised not a single Obama maniacs are responding to this math and they are the ones with the so called "mail order degreed" supporters who drink only at Starbucks. These 2 states are more important than the 20 rigged caucus states which Obama has "won".

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

"you could make an argument that there's been great progress economically." --John McCain

Gee, John McCain said *THIS*??? Where's the outrage? Think it'll get played over, and over, and over, and OVER on cable news? Think George Stephanopoulos will ask McCain about it on his bobble-head show tomorrow morning? Will there be outrage in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan and other manufacturing-based states where businesses are shutting their doors and people are losing their homes? Ya think???

Nah, me either.

The press couldn't care less about McCain's gaffes. They've been told to lay off him, that's why. He'll be a "great" leader for corporate America(TM).

If only we had an even-handed, independent press in this country.

Posted by: tellthetruth | April 19, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

John McCentury cannot possibly understand the economy and can't speak about it even with the aide of a teleprompter.
He is out of touch with the 20 million Americans at risk of home foreclosures.
McAncient doesn't get the fact that we want an exit strategy from Iraq and America can't afford a war there which isn't making it safer.
He is a war mongering war hero who is cognitively impaired. Not a chance in getting a 3rd Bush term
No McWar

Posted by: Andrew Kenneth | April 19, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it folks. This is a great phenomena. There is no natural way that Barack Obama was suppose to be at this point. The powerful Clinton machine was suppose to have taken him out in February--but, it failed miserably.

There is only one Sovereign. Nothing can stop His plans. Whatever God plans, will be. If Obama is of God you can't stop him. If not, it will pass. If it is of God, you'd better move out the way or be bruised in the process.

Posted by: lydia | April 19, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons and McCain carry the Bushes' water regularly.

Posted by: lwps | April 19, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama is choosing the subject on which mccain will have to speak about in this election, if he will like it or not. Barack will set the rules of the game. If maccain want to participate in this election he will have to campaign after this rules. Who dance with barack dance till his music stops.

Posted by: maz hess | April 19, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

CLICK The Video Link below ; Hillary is wrong as well as her cabinet , this is why Obama can Beat the republicans and Hillary cannot , because the Republicans will use this against her and the dems , Obama can use this against the Republicans , to rally support , the Clintons cannot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW why would you want to support the Clintons now ????????


http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv

Barack Obama was right with his analogy ,
They all were wrong , so why should they, " The Clintons " , have another shot at the Highest Office in the Land ??

Posted by: ajironworks | April 19, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I am referring to what happened to civilians under his plane on all the missions except the last.

Posted by: Gorgonzola | April 19, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Time to revisit Johnny's ethics in the Keating Five and in flying over Hanoi. Do they balance out?

Posted by: Gorgonzola | April 19, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I voted for Hillary and have faith she is the only candidate that will work tirelessly and create solutions to restore the USA to Peace and Prosperity.

I respect John McCain and find it disgusting that so many Obama supporters attack his age. It's as if Agism, and Racism are OK in their mind. They have no respect for people or decency... and Obama claims he's not NEGATIVE... give me a break... What he says it so it must be true.

He's bitter and he's a racist in his own words.

I find some of this shocking and racist versus Inspiring
SHOCKING Obama audio: anti-White speech from his own mouth.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs

Posted by: Cass | April 19, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm voting for Senator Obama, the father of two beautiful daughters, and a person who opposed the Iraq invasion from "Day 1."

www.barackobama.com just sent in another $25 to oppose the shrill, divisive campaign that "you know who" is running. Also can't stand the thought of that rascal Bill, who was impeached and disbarred, being in the Lincoln Bedroom selling his wares at 3 AM.

Posted by: Alexis | April 19, 2008 6:45 PM


I'm going to meet Alexis' challenge. How about the rest of you good Democrats? Let's put quiet Hillary's very un-Democratic shrillsters.

Posted by: Rick | April 19, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Sorry RetCombatVet, she voted knowing full well what she was doing. Political clout was to be gained for her presidential run. Also she did not then or now care who was hurt in the process... the reason she will not APOLOGIZE.

Posted by: Actionmac | April 19, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Mc Cain divored his first wife, who was left four inches shorter and crippled in a car accident while he was a POW, and married Cindy soon afterward.

Posted by: lwps | April 19, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama draws crowds. So does Sun Myung Moon and Bono. None of the three are capable of being president.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | April 19, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

"Men plunder. Men murder. Men rape. Rise Hillary, rise!
Clinton '08"

I guess by your logic that not one man should vote for Mrs. Clinton

I second that motion. I love my boyfriend as being an honest, hardworking, intelligent person- and a great lover. I'm voting for Senator Obama, the father of two beautiful daughters, and a person who opposed the Iraq invasion from "Day 1."

www.barackobama.com just sent in another $25 to oppose the shrill, divisive campaign that "you know who" is running. Also can't stand the thought of that rascal Bill, who was impeached and disbarred, being in the Lincoln Bedroom selling his wares at 3 AM.


Posted by: Alexis | April 19, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

"...And the train that is coming is the RNC and the McCain campaign."
Posted by: Annette Keller | April 19, 2008 6:37 PM

Train wreck; and an old coal burning train at that.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

It is so sad that many of the comments are based on the dislike of a particular candidate. Neither candidate is perfect and most people appear to twist comments of each to further their own irrational conclusions.

Barack Obama defending himself from Hilary's negative comments is not an attack. It is defense.

Barack Obama quoted McCain's exact words. Live with it and the fact that Barack Obama will be the next president of the United States. It is regretable that Hillary has dug her heels in so far she can't gracefully get out. In the process, she has given McCain ammunition against a fellow democrat. It is also regretable, that when the race is over, Hillary will be left bruised, never to regain the status she could have had, if she had run a decent, non-divisive campaign. The Clinton machine has been brought down by a grass roots movement of the American people. The American people want more. The American people want change.

Posted by: Jean | April 19, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Hey! I heard that McCain has an illnesse. Does anybody know more about this?

Posted by: Jose | April 19, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

lwps
I bet you have never served your country so belittling McCain serves no purpose. All it shows is just how mean and small minded you are.
I support Hillary and it is idiots like you that will ensure that Hillary supporters will vote for McCain not Obami-the-almighty come November.
Why don't you go back to kindergarten and learn how to respect your fellow Americans.

Posted by: alee21 | April 19, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama Claims to be EVERYTHING HE"S NOT. That's why he was so angry to finally get media scrutiny -- it exposes him as ingenuous. Sure he's drapped in American Flags, and what? That makes up for the fact that he disrespects all our traditions?

Critics of Hillary Clinton repeatedly point to her 2002 vote to authorize going to war with Iraq (if Saddam Hussein continued to stymie U.N. weapons inspectors, a resolution supported by U.N. weapons inspector, Hans Blix) as the primary evidence that she should not be President. Many cite this vote as a reason to oppose Hillary, despite many of those same people having earlier supported John Kerry and John Edwards for President, who voted exactly the same way.

Obama Not Sure What Iraq Vote Would Have Been
http://pop.youtube.com/watch?v=XbO-kgB-ZI4

Obama on Lieberman
http://pop.youtube.com/watch?v=Docxj3b5xY8

Fast forward to 2005.

Vice-President Cheney crafted an energy bill with corporate energy pals in Congress that stripped authority from the states on the siting of

Today, the Cheney-Bush Energy bill is responsible for no fewer than 3 LNG facilities threatening Oregon coastline, rivers, forests, fish, fishermen, farmers, and neighborhoods up and down western Oregon, and most of that natural gas will ultimately go to California.

Let's see who was for this mess and who was against it:

Opposed the Cheney-Bush Energy Bill
Hillary Clinton
Ron Wyden
Earl Blumenauer
Peter DeFazio
Darlene Hooley
David Wu

For the Cheney-Bush Energy Bill
Barack Obama
Gordon Smith
Greg Walden

Obama seems to have a dual personality -- his campaign persona versus what he actually does in action and there is a wide disconnect between what he says and what he does. The media owed it to the American people to educate them on what Obama has really been doing versus what he's been saying stumping foe votes.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

If you want international opinion of and respect for our country to go any lower just vote for the guy who "made his bones"blowing brown babies to bits, the Happy Warmonger, John McCain

Posted by: Phrank | April 19, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Distorting is when you take a person's words a give them a new meaning... ya' know, like the elitist crap McSame used to describe Obama.

Posted by: Actionmac | April 19, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

"At the Bryn Mawr station, Obama supporters stood on the adjacent tracks to greet their candidate, ignoring the whistle of an oncoming train. "Get off the tracks, guys, there's a train coming," Obama warned twice, until they complied."

And the train that is coming is the RNC and the McCain campaign.

Posted by: Annette Keller | April 19, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

John Mc Cain's military skills got him captured and held prisoner for five years.

Posted by: lwps | April 19, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Men are vile pigs! Rise, Hillary, rise!
Clinton '08
Posted by: Sisters for Hillary | April 19, 2008 5:03 PM

Some of us vile pigs are awaiting her rise from the gutter, Republicanesque politics that she is playing.
Brothers for a United Democratic Front without Fembo 'Tude

Posted by: Rick | April 19, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama is unelectable. He is a lying hypocrite and is unqualified to be president. If we don't want four more years of George Bush it is time to vote smart and vote Clinton.

Posted by: Tovias | April 19, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama didn't look like he knew a lot about a lot of things Wednesday night. His answers were disorganized and impoverished. Clinton trounced him. Not that McCain has much of a clue, either.

Posted by: Andrew Austin | April 19, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

McLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSER

Posted by: VietnamWarVeteran | April 19, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Men are vile pigs! Rise, Hillary, rise!
Clinton '08

Posted by: Sisters for Hillary

You're a sexist, ignorant b!tch

Posted by: A Bitter Man | April 19, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

All arguments aside, Rat-the, but do you realize how incredibly uneducated and completely naive it sounds when folks merge Obama's name with that of Osama Bin Laden? So juvenile.

Posted by: mepsanatt | April 19, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Rata -- Tu habla mucho, pero no dice nada!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

While you are all debating, loosely, the goodness of any candidate you might want to actually read an article about what has been going on for the last 6-7 years at the hands of our government.
"http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/washington/20generals.html?hp"

So if all of you would like to make the argument that Hillary and the rest of the country were not manipulated to the vote - speak up.

Then ask yourself why none of the "informed" Senators has not mentioned it. We are a long ways past a democracy.

Posted by: RetCombatVet | April 19, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama will be our next president. What fun it will be to watch the fundies like Rat sqirm and demean and fry in their own hate. The righties self destructed with their false ideology and 8 years of disastrous policies. 4000 dead Americans. 300,000 mentally ill vets. 75,000 dead Iraqi's. Our national treasure squandered. Housing crises. Gas- $3.50.. on and on. Good bye righties.

Posted by: Rob | April 19, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

RAT - Your name fits your rhetoric.

It's not greed that will bring down this country, it's hate.

Posted by: Isa4obama | April 19, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Jesus! are you repukes mad... Jesus whipped you people in the temple for the same behavior as the SAVINGS & LOAN and the SUB PRIME mess you caused.

Also, consider the whole SALE slaughter of our MEN and WOMEN in Iraq for a WAR CRIME war.

The senator's objection to legislation is well documented and SUPPORTED by WOMENS organizations. The organizations that used to support the democratic distraction candidate because she too tried to DISTORT the truth about his VOTE... Didn't work for her and not for you either.

Using the Lords name in vain?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 19, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

It isn't the first time Obama has distorted McCain's words. With no experience in this area I guess he has little choice but to attack McCain. That is, unless the title of civil rights lawyer qualifies a person as an expert on the economy.

Posted by: twostrangers | April 19, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton reminds us Democrats the painful memory of 2004 election. The Swift-boat traitors who cheated the American public into voting for Bush again and leading the country to the brink of collapse in 7 years.

Democrats remember the lesson so painfully clear. And the Democrats will kick Hillary's ass in PA primary.

The question is though, have we learned the lesson good enough to kick McCain's ass before he tries to set his first gear???

Did we Democrats learn the lesson well enough to derail McCain off of his campaign track through November??

If we do not want our beloved country to become a permanent Third World Country, we must do the right thing. Kick McCain off and out of our Whitehouse.

Posted by: DemocratPatriot | April 19, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

hope and change,i hope obama and the dem.party leave a little change in your pocket,already up to 96 billion in promised new goverment programs.may pay to quit work and ride in the wagon instead of pulling it.

Posted by: semtex | April 19, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

You don't have to 'distort' McCain's words. What he agrees he has said and repeats often is damning enough. He doesn't understand economy. He confuses, more than once, Shia & Sunni and wants to stay in Iraq till none in our forces gets hurt or dies -- That is, while bin Laden (the person, his movement) lives on in Afghanistan/Pakistan.

I admire his service and sacrifices to the nation. THAT he'll always get from me, but we are talking about the nation and our future.

Posted by: cantabb | April 19, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

The old GOP formula of racist fear-mongering, lies, slander, swiftboating, and all-around scum-of-the-earth tactics won't work this time. Sorry rednecks, Obama is our next president- and he's going to start cleaning up the mess your idiot idol W made. Deal with it.

Posted by: losthorizon101 | April 19, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

RAT-The,
I hope you're not of European descent!

Posted by: joseph pierre | April 19, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

RAT-The,
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSer!

Posted by: joseph pierre | April 19, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

I no longer live in DC but I think somebody should call Homeland Security; after reading this blog today I think somebody's dosed ya'll water with lsd. I mean, wtf is "rat" rambling about today? And Sisters of Hillary? People -- you're losing your minds. Go watch some Seinfeld reruns for a change -- something! And remember, I doubt any Hillary supporter is behind "sisters" and "rat" is so precisely self-named it requires no further discussion. There's a lot of disinformation going on in these online communities -- don't decide on November based on today's hurt feelings and certainly not based on someone identifying themselves as any candidate's supporter -- the more outrageous the comment, the less likely to really be a supporter. Let's get through the primaries, take a breath and go put rat and her ilk out of business.

Posted by: omyobama | April 19, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

All married couple I know file jointly, except for this one rich senator running for president who wants to keep the bulk of his family income a secret to make him seem more of a regular guy.

Posted by: Javalation | April 19, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

McSame is the same idiot who thought Iran funds the Sunni insurgents in Iraq and said he didn't know anything about the economy.

What are the war-mongering, "let them eat short-term dividends" conservative bigots complaining about?

Posted by: DrRay from Ohio | April 19, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

If any of the so called clinton supporters want to vote for McBush, McWar, McAlzheimers, McDumb if obama wins, they must be lifelong republicans pretending to support billary.

Posted by: sandy | April 19, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

And so it Begins,

The 'General Election' is upon us. And while the spin from the McCain camp, ie. Alex Conant's note declaring Obama a tax hiker who "doesn't understand / grasp the American economy." is quaint, it is not grounded in fact.

The 'Voodoo' economics of the GOP has never been based in fact, and no Laffer curve can ever prove it. That bit of dismal science (?) was a dinner favor drawn on a napkin for Dick Cheney himself.

The 'off budget' debt of war and constant budget deficits are the cause of the dollar's devaluation.

An Economic downturn and the soaring cost of energy have placed us in an old economic dilemma, stagflation (read Greenspan). Monetary Policy is helpless in its grasp.

Balanced budgets are the only cure, and ending the Bush tax cuts are a part of that.

I think Barack Obama will welcome such a debate.

Posted by: jkmarnidaho@gmail.com | April 19, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey Sisters for Hillary, Hillary should know about men being vile pigs, she married one. Go do some reading about his sexcapades. It will open your eyes to how she feels about women as she defended the Pig in Cheif.

Posted by: The truth about pigs | April 19, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Why Jesus would not vote for Barack Obama

________________________________________
Posted: July 19, 2006
1:00 am Eastern
By Jill Stanek
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

Legislation was presented on the federal level and in various states called the Born Alive Infants Protection Act (BAIPA). It stated all live-born babies were guaranteed the same constitutional right to equal protection, whether or not they were wanted. President Bush signed BAIPA into law in 2002.
________________________________________________________
But in Illinois, the state version of BAIPA repeatedly failed, thanks in large part to then-state Sen. Barack Obama.
It only passed in 2005, after Obama left.
I testified in 2001 and 2002 before a committee of which Obama was a member.
Obama articulately worried that legislation protecting live aborted babies might infringe on women's rights or abortionists' rights. Obama's clinical discourse, his lack of mercy, shocked me. I was naive back then. Obama voted against the measure, twice. It ultimately failed.
In 2003, as chairman of the next Senate committee to which BAIPA was sent, Obama stopped it from even getting a hearing, shelving it to die much like babies were still being shelved to die in Illinois hospitals and abortion clinics.

In February 2004, U.S. Senate candidate Barack Obama's wife, Michelle, sent a fund-raising letter with the "alarming news" that "right-wing politicians" had passed a law stopping doctors from stabbing half-born babies in the neck with scissors, suctioning out their brains and crushing their skulls.
Michelle called partial-birth abortion "a legitimate medical procedure," and wouldn't supporters please pay $150 to attend a luncheon for her husband, who would fight against "cynical ploy[s]" to stop it?

Posted by: Sean McM | April 19, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

This is the liberal paper according to the republicans... what are all you SCARED republicans doing here posting. We don't listen to you, nice try too with "Sisters of Clinton". We know you want her and your not getting you hope now or in November.

"YES WE CAN" and WE WILL in 2008

Posted by: Actionmac | April 19, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Dear Sisters for Hillary,

Get off my side,

Love,

Hillary Clinton


Posted by: Hillary Clinton | April 19, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Men are vile pigs! Rise, Hillary, rise!
Clinton '08


Posted by: Sisters for Hillary | April 19, 2008 5:03 PM
------------------------------------
I don't know who the men in your lives are but the men in mine are not pigs. They are loving, generous people. And like them I am voting for Barack Obama. I think you need to expand your horizons to the Family of the Human Race.

Posted by: Sister of the Human Race | April 19, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Republicans are noted for their backdoor tax hikes. Like eliminating first dollar deductions for medical care on the Schedule A, and eliminating interest expense deduction on the Schedule A. The Republicans also like to deficit spend increasing the cost of everything to all Americans.

McCain. Out of touch.

McCain & Hillary voted for one of the biggest tax hikes in history and that is the Iraq war.

McBush. Out of touch with America.

Posted by: Maddogg | April 19, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"Sen. Barack Obama's whistle-stop train tour is being covered live -- by the Republican National Committee and Sen. John McCain's campaign."
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I wonder how many diapers they've gone through today watching the freight train barreling down on them?

LMAO, The only wish they have is, d@man why couldn't he be our candidat.

Posted by: Terry | April 19, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

A truly lame, no-news blog entry.

Posted by: Patrick, Takoma Park MD | April 19, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Men plunder. Men murder. Men rape. Rise Hillary, rise!
Clinton '08

Posted by: Sisters for Hillary | April 19, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Wow, it is quite obvious who the Republicans are VERY AFRAID to run against. Now I see why they have been pushing for Hillary because that would have solidified a win in the general. But Obama, you they are scared as HELL and that's why those dog gone right wing neocons are following this young articulate, intelligent man around because they know who they have to fight in the general and Obama won't be as nice to them as he has to the polarizing Clinton machine. Last night at the rally in Philly, it finally hit me....'IT'S GOING DOWN AND IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE GENERAL AND OBAMA IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT AND THE DEMS WILL MAKE SURE THAT THERE WON'T BE ANOTHER REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS. This is why the faux news and the Hannity's and the racial neocons are pissed....Gotta love it!

Posted by: God is in control of this election!!! | April 19, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Maverick McSame is a myth. Just because he is old does not mean has wisdom. McSame has the sames intellectual (in)capacity as George, the current president. McSame was the goat of his class at Annapolis, very reckless pilot, rather immature and got shot down over Hanoi. Came home, divoced his 1st wife and married a richer, younger blonde woman whom he occasionally refers to as "c*nt". McCain is surrounded by powerful lobbyists, which makes McSame a major hypocrite because he flogs those same lobbyists everytime he speaks in public. A vote for McCain is a vote for Bush - same old crap and disaster will befall us. Obama will change the course of America in the 21st century.

Posted by: M. Stratas | April 19, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

This comment by RAT-the shouldn't go unchallenged:

"The US was carved out of Spanish and French Territories and prospered as an ENGLISH SPEAKING conglomeration of many cultures NOT INDIGENOUS to the Land. Granted, we have absorbed Indigenous People, but out of Respect, have also established Reservations for the North American Indians to be themselves at their own loss."

So - the "Indigenous Peoples" ought to THANK the European invaders for "absorbing" them; they ought to be GRATEFUL for having most of their population culture, and languages wiped out; They ought to be THANKFUL to the "white man" for generously placing them on reservations?

I beg to differ. Such arguments represent the same paternalistic hogwash that has repeatedly led humanity down the path toward holocaust. We're a great country but no amount of fig leaves can obscure the genocides that are an integral part of our creation.

Posted by: littlefoot | April 19, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Dave Brooks is exactly right. Obama has now shed all pretense of being a new type of politician, and shamelessly lifts phrases and words out of context to make a useless point, while attacking his opponents as being old style for doing the same; and then, he claims he is a uniter, and slams his opponents again ecause they divide. No shame or sense of irony there; his groupie fans, worse than teenage girls ready to &*(( a rock star, of course all sense of objectivity a long time ago.

It is a shame, but it fell to Rethuglican goon like Brooks to tell the truth; all the liberal outposts like WaPo NYT and the rest have long ago become paid cheerleaders for Obama campaign.

Posted by: intcamd | April 19, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

The clut of Obama has hijacked the Democratic party.

The smartest thing for Republicans to do is to have McCain move towards the center and then welcome Clinton Democrats with Open arms.

We're sick and tired of Obama and his cult.

If the Democratic Party nominates him, we'll vote for McCain, and if the Republican party can demonstrate that they care more about us, our values, and our votes, than the Democratic party does, we'll switch Parties for good.

Posted by: Obama's the best recruiting tool the Republican party has | April 19, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I wanted to add- the Mexicans and others that come up/in here "illegally" do so generally out of necessity. If there were not employers here whom would hire them, they would not be here en-masse. It is that simple.

Our government- for years and years, has turned a blind-eye to this... out of greed, it could be argued. Or perhaps also out of necessity- but if that was the case, make a legitimate, organized way for migrant workers to come in, do the job and get out. Like the Swiss do.

Posted by: Dave | April 19, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

RAT-The, you have some good points mixed in the above. For instance, start by getting the foreign influences of "The Fed" out of controlling our USD, our currency.

As the article says that I linked to above;


"We look at GDP numbers to reassure ourselves that all is well, yet a growing number of Americans still do not enjoy the higher standard of living that monetary inflation brings to the privileged few. Those few have access to the newly created money first, before its value is diluted.

For example: Before the breakdown of the Bretton Woods system, CEO income was about 30 times the average worker's pay. Today, it's closer to 500 times. It's hard to explain this simply by market forces and increases in productivity. One Wall Street firm last year gave out bonuses totaling $16.5 billion. There's little evidence that this represents free market capitalism."
SOURCE: www.ronpaul2008.com


Yes, it is a foreign invasion and yes we have to wake-up, only it is not a war in the typical sense- it is greed.

BTW, for those that may wonder, "Bretton Woods" was where the USA's gold standard was dropped, backing the USDollar.

Posted by: Dave | April 19, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Well I guess it's gonna be a negative campaign on both sides again. I for one am tired of the mud slinging, so I'll tune out and vote for my candidate in November, and see how things work out. At least either person will be better than the past eight years. I'd love to see someone take the high road in politics, but then I realize their politicians and can't help themselves.

Posted by: Bob | April 19, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

This is the one chance the people have to defeat the GOP machine and the wealthy elite. Stand up for Obama and change the power. Let Bush and ilk live under an African American president who will be fair to the entire population.

Posted by: Paul Nolan | April 19, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Dave-Rather than try to earn YOUR Libbie Credo's by Parroting a lot of Hyperbole-or at least Linking it.

Why don't you come out of the Darkness, and embrace the glorious Light of intellectual illumination-Yourself!

THINK MAN!

Yeah, Gas is up there. That really is not the whole problem. Problem yes-Granted.

In the 1980's, a Period many yearn for again, Gas was at the time, relatively Higher. Remember if you can the $2 something Jumbo Jacks/ Whoppers, the $1.90 Gas, and the Lines to even get some? Then, we got sold on Cheap!
99 Cent Burgers and 99 Cent Gas for over a Decade.
IT was a TRAP! :-(

The too cheap Credit, Gas, and especially LABOR, and all the cut corners to get there, have-As is now a favorite saying; "Come Home to Roost". Cheap is superficial and short-lived,

Lousy Wages seem to be Ugly to the Bone!

The American People need to begin Protecting our own Country from the Competing Forces out to undermine our expected levels of enjoyment-all just to marginally improve theirs, at the majority of American's demise.

Look at Mexico. I mean take a DAMN Good LOOK! They have affluent and filthy rich People. and they have some of the World's most abused masses!

How does that saying Go?

If you play with "Dirt" long enough, you get it all over yourself! :-(

The Dimocrats want the Have-Nots as a source of Votes. THEY, have already appointed Libbie Judges that do things like support efforts to trt to take back control of our Country-Look at the Ninth Circuit, and Frisco where it is Located! Listen to Barack Hussein Parrot the La Raza Rhetoric of "Xenophobia" if you try to control the Invasarios.

CACA DE VACA!

The US was carved out of Spanish and French Territories and prospered as an ENGLISH SPEAKING conglomeration of many cultures NOT INDIGENOUS to the Land. Granted, we have absorbed Indigenous People, but out of Respect, have also established Reservations for the North American Indians to be themselves at their own loss. We also received huge numbers of Central Americans when they were expelled out of their Homeland by Revolution-at our benefit!

But, in the Year 2008, we are losing our Sovereignty to a full scale invasion of Neighboring Masses of deprived, but opportunistic INVADERS after what they want to take!

In short, a WAR.

The way to improve OUR Lives, is to STOP the THEFT of OUR Lifestyles, by our Invading Neighbors, and their Criminal Accomplices.

We suffer the invasion of Hispanola at our loss of Identity, and way of life! It is WAY past time to FINE Employers of Illegal Workers! Our WAGES have to "INFLATE"! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | April 19, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

That's the thing with Obama that no one can deny- he is attracting the crowds and is well spoken. And he seems to have a brain on his shoulders.

Posted by: Dave | April 19, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

At Obama's massive rally in Philadelphia last night, an estimated crowd count shows :

"35,000 STRONG CAN'T BE WRONG"

It's time to get on the Victory Train, or you'll be left behind to ride on Hillary's sinking ship !

Posted by: Sauu | April 19, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Men are vile pigs! Rise, Hillary, rise!
Clinton '08

Posted by: Sisters for Hillary | April 19, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

This just slays me. McCain has taken some parts of Obama's comments and used them against him previously, but now that Obama takes some part of McCain's comment and uses it against him, McCain is crying fowl? That's rich.

Posted by: Peggy | April 19, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is certainly weak on knowing the ins-and-outs of the economy. For example, here is some proof:

http://ronpaul.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=42

However, Obama I am also not too sure about with the economy (but at least he knows who is advising him.).

It is all about the weak USD. We need to address our monetary policy. Do people just not get it? (Dollar falls, Oil prices rise.) There are some great videos, particularly in the comments section of this article, about HOW money is actually created and why we are in such a quandary;

http://ronpaul.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=37

Posted by: Dave | April 19, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

There is a Train-Wreck Coming! :-(

The Obasama Liar-Not Flyer!

He has earned his Libbie Credo's though.

In "Typical Libbie Lawyer" Fashion, he has awaited the GOP Plan, to Critique, and Obstruct.

Where is the "Change"?

Posted by: RAT-The | April 19, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

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