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Penn Out as Clinton's Top Strategist


Political consultant Mark Penn at his office in Washington, D.C., Thursday, April 05, 2007. (The Washington Post)

Updated 7:45 p.m.
By Anne E. Kornblut
Mark J. Penn quit his role as chief strategist for the Clinton campaign on Sunday after months of dissatisfaction with his performance and a recent conflict of interest involving his corporate work. Although rumors of his firing had circulated for months, it was another stunning upheaval in a struggling campaign that has already had one staff shakeup.

The immediate trigger for Penn's departure was a meeting he held last week with the Colombian ambassador to the United States to advocate for a free trade agreement that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton opposes. Penn held the meeting in his capacity as chief executive for the public relations giant Burson-Marsteller -- and it underscored the tricky nature of his effort to play both corporate executive and a political adviser over the past year.

Clinton was "disappointed that the meeting had occurred," a senior Clinton adviser said, reiterating the candidate's opposition to the deal.

But there were underlying tensions between Penn and other Clinton advisers from the outset, and they escalated with each of her defeats. Critics complained that Penn was too data-driven and obstinate, blaming him for the failure to "humanize" Clinton in the early days of the race. Although he wrote the "3 a.m." advertisement, arguably the most renowned ad of the campaign to date and one that helped propel her to victory in the Ohio and Texas primaries, Penn faced overwhelming opposition from senior Clinton advisers, particularly Harold Ickes and Howard Wolfson.

Last Friday, Penn apologized for his meeting with the Colombian ambassador, and the Colombian government canceled its contract with his firm on Saturday. But the event was the final straw for Penn, who informed Clinton that he would vacate his role on Sunday. Her campaign manager, Maggie Williams, issued a statement announcing the move.

"After the events of the last few days, Mark Penn has asked to give up his role as Chief Strategist of the Clinton Campaign; Mark, and Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates, Inc. will continue to provide polling and advice to the campaign," Williams wrote. "Geoff Garin and Howard Wolfson will coordinate the campaign's strategic message team going forward."

Garin, a pollster, and Wolfson, the communications director, are already working with Clinton. Penn did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Two other Democratic strategists, Jano Cabrera and Josh Gottheimer, who work for Penn at Burson-Marsteller and were on loan to the Clinton campaign at times, are also no longer working there, advisers said.

Clinton, after a campaign stop in Missoula on Sunday morning, was attending a fundraiser in Albuquerque behind closed doors late Sunday afternoon. She will be in Washington on Monday but has no public appearances scheduled.

Penn, a sometimes rumpled and often argumentative figure, struggled with the awkward management structure of the Clinton campaign from the start. Despite his title as chief strategist, he told colleagues he felt hamstrung by a setup that left Patti Solis Doyle, the former campaign manager, in charge of the budget. Penn also kept an office on the top floor of the sleek Burson-Marsteller offices in Washington, apart from the campaign headquarters in Ballston.

Penn was brought into the Clinton orbit in the 1990s, conducting polling during former president Bill Clinton's reelection in 1996 and guiding him with data through the impeachment ordeal. Penn drifted away from the couple for a time, but came back in to engineer the former first lady's reelection to the Senate in 2006. When he took the job as chief strategist, some Democrats were concerned about his relatively hawkish views on foreign policy -- he is staunchly pro-Israel and centrist -- and his tendency to cast an eye toward the general election rather than the primary.

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Posted by: tonquequeda | April 8, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

THE PENN DROPOUT IS INSIGNIFICANT COMPARED TO WHAT McCAIN WILL BE USING AS AMMUNITION AGAINST OBAMA THIS SUMMER!

OBAMA WENT TO *KENYA* IN NOVEMBER WITH BUDDY *DICK MORRIS* TO HELP THE CAMPAIGN OF HIS COUSIN (Luo tribe) **RAILA ODINGA**, OPPOSITION LEADER.

OBAMA'S KENYAN Luo COUSIN ODINGA HAD SIGNED A MOU WITH ISLAMIST NATIONALIST GROUPS GUARANTEEING **SHARIA LAW** THROUGHOUT KENYA IF HE WON ELECTION(Chastity laws and full dress cover for girls and women).!!

OBAMA HAD PHONED CONDI RICE from IOWA AND SHE GAVE BO GREEN LIGHT TO GO AHEAD TO PREPARE A "HEALING" SPEECH FOR KENYANS WHEN ODINGA's ISLAMO-MARXIST PARTYT LOST AND RIOTS BROKE OUT WITH RESULTANT BURNING OF 50 CHRISTIAN CHURCHES AND 700 HUNDREDS INJURED/RAPED.

PRESIDENT KIYUKI OF KENYA, INCENSED, IGNORED OBAMA'S SPEECH AND SNUBBED HIM SINCE THEN, AS HE DID NOT FIND IT IN GOOD JUDGMENT THAT OBAMA DIRECTLY INTERFERED IN HIS SOVEREIGN COUNTRY'S AFFAIRS TO HELP HIS LUO COUSIN.

THIS GOES STRAIGHT TO OBAMA'S LACK OF FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE AND POOR POLITICAL JUDGMENT IN FOREIGN AFFAIRS. IT IS A HUGE ISSUE AND, IN FACT, WILL UNDBOUTEDLY BE COSTING OBAMA THE ELECTION, TOGETHER WITH THE QUESTION OF 'WHY DIDN'T HE CHALLENGE REV. WRIGHT IN HIS OWN CONGREGATION 20 YEARS BEFORE THE POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT SPEECH!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 7, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

THE PENN DROPOUT IS INSIGNIFICANT COMPARED TO WHAT McCAIN WILL BE USING AS AMMUNITION AGAINST OBAMA THIS SUMMER!

OBAMA WENT TO *KENYA* IN NOVEMBER WITH BUDDY *DICK MORRIS* TO HELP THE CAMPAIGN OF HIS COUSIN (Luo tribe) **RAILA ODINGA**, OPPOSITION LEADER.

OBAMA'S KENYAN Luo COUSIN ODINGA HAD SIGNED A MOU WITH ISLAMIST NATIONALIST GROUPS GUARANTEEING **SHARIA LAW** THROUGHOUT KENYA IF HE WON ELECTION(Chastity laws and full dress cover for girls and women).!!

OBAMA HAD PHONED CONDI RICE from IOWA AND SHE GAVE BO GREEN LIGHT TO GO AHEAD TO PREPARE A "HEALING" SPEECH FOR KENYANS WHEN ODINGA's ISLAMO-MARXIST PARTYT LOST AND RIOTS BROKE OUT WITH RESULTANT BURNING OF 50 CHRISTIAN CHURCHES AND 700 HUNDREDS INJURED/RAPED.

PRESIDENT KIYUKI OF KENYA, INCENSED, IGNORED OBAMA'S SPEECH AND SNUBBED HIM SINCE THEN, AS HE DID NOT FIND IT IN GOOD JUDGMENT THAT OBAMA DIRECTLY INTERFERED IN HIS SOVEREIGN COUNTRY'S AFFAIRS TO HELP HIS LUO COUSIN.

THIS GOES STRAIGHT TO OBAMA'S LACK OF FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE AND POOR POLITICAL JUDGMENT IN FOREIGN AFFAIRS. IT IS A HUGE ISSUE AND, IN FACT, WILL UNDBOUTEDLY BE COSTING OBAMA THE ELECTION, TOGETHER WITH THE QUESTION OF 'WHY DIDN'T HE CHALLENGE REV. WRIGHT IN HIS OWN CONGREGATION 20 YEARS BEFORE THE POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT SPEECH!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 7, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

He should have been fired. Giving away huge numbers in the caucus states has probably lost Hillary the election. Those losses could have been mitigated to a large degree since competition in caucus states is largely organizational. Obama took over the machine that Dean and Emanuel put into place for the 2006 congressional elections and Hillary had no answer for that.

Posted by: DCDave | April 7, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is fine--this will not hurt her at all.

If you need confirmation of how well she's doing, here you go from the latest Quinnipiac Poll:

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x2882.xml?ReleaseID=1164

New York Sen. Hillary Clinton holds a 50 - 41 percent lead over Illinois Sen. Barack Obama among likely Pennsylvania Democratic primary voters and runs better against Arizona Sen. John McCain, the likely Republican nominee in Pennsylvania, Florida and Ohio, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

This compares to a 53 - 41 percent lead in a March 18 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University. In general election match ups of the three largest and most important swing states in the Electoral College, the survey finds.
Florida: Clinton 44 percent - McCain 42 percent; McCain beats Obama 46 - 37 percent;
Ohio: Clinton beats McCain 48 - 39 percent; Obama gets 43 percent to McCain's 42 percent;
Pennsylvania: Clinton tops McCain 48 - 40 percent; Obama leads McCain 43 - 39 percent.

The primary vote between Obama and Clinton splits sharply along racial lines, with her advantage coming from stronger support in every contest from white voters. For example, Clinton leads 59 - 34 percent among white Pennsylvania likely primary voters, while Obama leads 73 - 11 percent among black Democrats.

"When it comes to November, Sen. Hillary Clinton's strength is a big edge over Sen. Barack Obama among white voters, who have not given a majority of their votes to a Democratic presidential nominee since Lyndon Johnson in 1964," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute."

More than a third of voters in the three states think Obama's race is an advantage, more than twice the number who think it is a disadvantage. By contrast, roughly a quarter of voters say Clinton's gender is an advantage, and about the same number think it is a disadvantage.

"Former Democratic vice presidential nominee Geraldine Ferraro's assertion that Obama's race has helped his candidacy finds some support among the electorate," said Brown.

"At least for now, Sen. Clinton's argument that she is the better general election candidate in these key battleground states appears to have some validity," said Brown. "In this survey, her strength among white voters is why she runs better against Sen. McCain than does Sen. Obama. "

Posted by: Sandy in PA | April 7, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

John W. McCheney would be in a better position to be the next president if he weren't a republican and exceedingly old. Across the nation the multitudes are increasingly aware of this gutter party and their "lucifarian", dead end policies and agendas. Thanks bush. Maybe he wasn't a total bum, but im not so sure he achieved the desired effect. The ugliest things God ever created, are conservatives. Anyhow, I have some parting shots for you Billary Clingon supporters. These lackluster, subpar, and baseless comments only highlight your inabilities to construct thoughtful or humurous anecdotes as a rebuttal to the superior lexicon of an Obama supporter. We forgive you though. Judging from the contents of some of these comments the average Clingon supporter is incapable of reading, writing, and worst of all, failure to explicate an independent thought. But as they say "stupid is as stupid does". Theres always 2016. Chow. See you at the finish line.

Posted by: Expletive | April 7, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't this once again tell us a whole lot. Hillary continues to speak about ALL of this experience she ALLEGEDLY has, yet once again there is a major shakeup in her campaign staff. Is this not another indictment of her SUPPOSED judgment and experience. She appoints someone and aligns herself with him, pays him millions of dollars and doesn't have a problem with the conflict of interest it poses. If I'm a delegate or super delegate, I need only go as far as her "management" (used loosely) of her campaign thus far to get a good idea of how she'll operate in the White House. Perhaps Borack was right after all. "Let her continue to run." We're going to get another glimpse or glaring view of her management style. The real liability the Democrats must now be seeing is that McCain really can easily beat her by the ongoing lapses in managerial judgment. How close could we have possibly gotten to what her style was had this NOT happened. Perhaps we CAN call this the "Vetting on the Hill" as in Hillary. If left alone, she'll fall without being pushed. She'll implode without a shot being fired in her direction. She has PRESIDED over a mess of a campaign debacle. Or, perhaps this is a strategic way of showing the world how sincere she is about having the knight in shining armor, Bill - running her presidency. Someone needs to remind her that their are constitutional limits on such thinking. Ah, but perhaps that's exactly what the plan is. Get her elected and then he can have his second 8-year term. I've figured it out.

Posted by: CitizenA | April 7, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

svreader...
Why do you continually boast that Obama is unelectable in a general election? What evidence do you offer to support your assumption? Why do you continually belittle Obama's campaign and his supporters?

Obama has run a great campaign. It is not that painful to admit, svreader. Obama is winning against Hillary for a number of reasons, but the most important ones have to do with having a great campaign message and a great 50-state strategy. Obama and his campaign should be commended on the positivity, inspiration, and the effectiveness in which it has conducted itself.

Hillary is losing because Hillary had one strategy, ride the Clinton name (and Bill Clinton political organization) all the way into Super Tuesday Feb. 5th and be done.

Posted by: ajtiger92 | April 7, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I know it is hard to ignore the rantings of svreader, my fellow Hope-Mongers. But what can you expect?

The only difference in the departure of Mark Penn as a Hillary campaign strategist is that Hillary saves campaign money and Clinton loyalists will feel better.

Meanwhile back in reality, Mark Penn's departure only re-enforces the continual link in Hillary's campaign with conflicts of interests and the influence of lobbyists/special interest money; does nothing to reduce the 169 pledged delegate lead, the ~800,000 popular vote lead, and the 14 more voting contests lead that Obama has over Hillary.

Just remember Clinton loyalists, we, Democrats for Obama, will need your help come this fall to defeat old man McCain and the Republicans.

Posted by: ajtiger92 | April 7, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

neither --

Why do Obama-nuts think that they'll gain by calling Clinton supporters Republicans and accusing them of posting for pay.

The only logical explanation is that Obama supporters must be on the Obama campaign payroll.

I'm a Democrat, and I post because I don't want Democrats to lose.

Obama supporters aren't loyal to the Democratic Party, they're loyal to their cult leader Barry Obama.

By attacking other readers, rather than trying to answer the points those readers raise, they lose twice.

We're not going to vote for Obama for anything.

Because Obama supporters have been so nasty to us, we'll actively work for, and we'll vote for, McCain.

Heck of a job, Obama-nuts!!!!

Posted by: svreader | April 7, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Good Riddance.............pure male ego........help only himself...perhaps he can sign on with Obama....go to Canada, Columbia, etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: accountability_in_gov | April 7, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

The problem is that Obama is unelectable in a general election doesn't seem to bother his supporters.

His strategy has been to mouth vague platitudes while kicking Hillary below the belt using his supporters to do the dirty work.

That's not going to work against McCain.

Obama's lost mainstream Democrats.

Posted by: svreader | April 7, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

This won't help Hillary Clinton's campaign. First of all, it is too late and moreover, Penn's resignation has not been prompted by his ill fated strategies, but by his greedy moonlighting for his PR firm.

Here's what British newspapers say:

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/its-monday-the-british-newspapers-on-mark-penns-resignation/

Posted by: old_europe | April 7, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Yes, another sacrifice but this too, won't help a campaign running on fumes. And, of course, we are to believe that the micromanaging MRS Clinton was unaware of the dealings of her manager? What would work is getting rid of the candidate who the more she is exposed to the public the more disliked she becomes. Her latest lie about health care shows how little she knows about the health care system and lawyering.

If she had really practiced law and studied the Health care system she so wants to recreate she would have known:

1) in this litigious society no hospital would have the nerve to turn away anyone who is presenting at their emergency room for care as the lawsuit and loss of government funding would be disastrous.

2) the health care system works for millions of people and needs to be reworked not retired. Why not start by insuring the folks who don't have any insurance rather than recreating the wheel? She also doesn't understand how comprehensive the NY State's program Healthy Families NY is.

3) she is not intelligent (well educated, yes) but hardly educable. the reason her first health care package was doomed was because it was too large; more fit for FDR's government than Bill Clinton's. And here she goes again. Stubbornness is not strength it is often just stupidity.

Posted by: jganymede | April 7, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I see the RNC mutant svreader still haunts anything and everything Obama-Clinton. Pay it no mind. As a low-totem troll, it receives 5 cents per post. Got to make a lot of posts so it can feed.

Posted by: infinite_nether | April 7, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

OMG!! Can't believe what has happen to Hillary. Imagine if she runs her campaign like she has, and completely clues......what would happen if she becomes president. I was so disappointed; I will be voting for Obama....I am not one of the idiots who will for Ms Cain if she losses...That is quite stupid, with the prices! War! Etc such as it is. The Clintons can not be trusted. It's a shame. She has lie about a lot of things, and it didn't really matter, but this one with Penn??? And so many un-answered questions about her release of tax returns, nope going to change my vote. What else is out there? The Clintons are covering up?

Posted by: katt542 | April 7, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

NAY

I support Obama AND free speech. I salute WaPo blog post policy that allows anyone to make a fool of him/herself at anytime.

Posted by: flarrfan | April 7, 2008 6:46 AM | Report abuse

Svreader,

I hate to make you feel so important, but I need to straighten this out: it's Barack, not Barry Obama.

Unless you've been personally introduced to the candidate and developed a friendly relationship with him, it's Barack Obama for you, not Barry.

Think, svreader. And show some respect.

Posted by: leahbinton | April 7, 2008 5:24 AM | Report abuse

Brigitte wrote:

"Thank you Lord Jesus! This is the smartest move Hillary has made in weeks. Mark Penn was a drag on this campaign! On to victory!

Hillary '08"

BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU HIT THAT WALL...

Posted by: leahbinton | April 7, 2008 4:50 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, so Penn "stepped down" as Hillary's "Chief Strategist" but he intends to continue advising her and her campaign. So other than publicly denying him the title of "Chief Strategist", has anything really changed?

What is more important is that those of us who have bothered to research either "Mark Penn" or "Hillary Clinton + NAFTA" learned a long time ago that Penn's efforts and the efforts of his company have been pushing hard to spread "NAFTA" into South America. If I have known about this for the past 3 months, it's a sure bet that Hillary Clinton and everyone on her campaign knew about it also. So why does it just now become a problem when word leaked out about Penn's meeting with Colombian leaders? Apparently Penn's efforts to extend NAFTA throughout South America was never a problem or a "conflict of interest" in the eyes of Hillary Clinton, who claims to be anti-NAFTA, until Penn made the mistake of attending a meeting that was reported in the press. It goes to show how Clinton really operates. Nothing is ever a problem for her, no matter how illegal, unethical, or contrary to her own stated position on an issue until it becomes common knowledge. This clearly demonstrates the need for a more transparent government that Obama stands for!

Posted by: diksagev | April 7, 2008 4:26 AM | Report abuse

svreader:

Please take your verbiage to the nearest Silicon Valley compost heap. Insist that they don't charge you for leaving it; it needs no refining.

Posted by: hayeseric | April 7, 2008 3:28 AM | Report abuse

svreader,

For god's--and every lesser beings' sake, take your verbiage to your Silicon Valley politically correct compost heap and convert it into methane so that it can be used to power PG&E's--or Santa Clara's--generators.

Posted by: hayeseric | April 7, 2008 3:20 AM | Report abuse

This is great news for Hillary's campaign. He was a really poor advisor.

Go Hillary!


Posted by: redhiker | April 7, 2008 1:48 AM | Report abuse

Now, when will Hillary step down ? This is really becoming pathetic. Yes Clinton supporters... we all know that Hillary has every 'right' to stay on ... just NO good reason at all. What she is effectively saying Now is that she is willing to sacrifice the Democratic Party's chances in November to insure her leverage to petition for the VP slot. That's pretty Sleazy politicking Clinton supporters and you know damn well it is. What does that make YOU at this point?

Posted by: PulSamsara | April 7, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

Well I think it has been made clear to any discerning Democrat that this nomination process needs to end. It would be one thing if Hillary had a grasp of the importance of integrity - to make jokes on the Tonight Show with Leno about the most critical aspect of a Presidential candidate - their honesty while insulting the true integrity of our men & women in uniform taking REAL fire & casualties is appalling to say the least. On the Bosnia "flap", there is a BIG difference between a mis-statement and a lie that was calculated and repeated many times. Not only has she lost our vote, she should lose her senate seat next cycle. Any intelligent Super-Delegate can see that Hillary is running a campaign of hippocrasy - changing standpoints per audience to get votes. Her Chief Strategist was caught consulting with Colombia FOR NAFTA? Again HRC's campaign is caught under the truth spotlight as the lies scurry for the darkness of ignorance. Any Super-Delegate that has already pledged support for her has to now seriously reconsider given the fact that she now has no credibility whatsoever and is definitely under the heavy influence of special interests and at least one top lobbying firm. What IS Hillary's TRUE POSITION on NAFTA? When I hear Hillary apologize for repeated Bosnia lies and Mark Penn for Colombia - I am far more likely to believe now that they are sorry they got CAUGHT. Exactly how much influence and "loyalty" does Hillary have to special interests and anti-labor? See for yourself ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZVpPGxuafA ) Anyone contemplating donations to HRC's campaign can pretty much know they might as well flush their check down the toilet. I watched Tim Russert this morning - is their any legs to the story by Christopher Hitchens ( http://www.slate.com/id/2187780 ) that Hillary could be indirectly responsible for up to 250,000 deaths in Bosnia as a direct result of her influence over Bill over whether to get involved over the fighting in Bosnia because it would be a distraction away from "her health care plan" that failed miserably and that her stubbornness prevented a reasonable compromise that could have fixed healthcare for the most part over 10 years ago? I am trying to fathom at this point why ANY Super-Delegate would endorse her ... and what any Super-Delegate sitting on the fence is waiting for. As Hillary's scrutiny increases, so will the spotlight as Hillary continues to make "loyalty" above honesty and free will an issue (as with Richardson) - the spotlight will move to Super-Delegates that ardently support her - do they want this scrutiny on them too? - because as Hillary and her inept campaign keep self-destructing - she has declared she won't quit and their will be a LOT of collateral damage. As far as for women longing to break the "glass ceiling", you can do better than her. Enough of this, let's get together behind Obama, put together a Democratic Campaign not to tear each other down but to rise above and get the White House this fall. We implore you undecideds, it's time to get off the fence.

Michael & Erica Williams - Philadelphia, PA
former Clinton Supporters turned Obama Supporters

Posted by: StraightShooterPA | April 7, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

This is what could happen from having a lobbyist who's moonlighting with a Presidental campaign!

Posted by: gman5541 | April 7, 2008 1:12 AM | Report abuse

[For Clintonistas: I am not an Obama supporter; I'm a registered Independent.]

I am perhaps one of the very few people who would be sorry to see Mark Penn leave the Clinton campaign altogether. I think it's wonderful that he will continue doing polling and other consulting work for Senator Clinton.

Consider this: If Penn were to truly sever all ties with the campaign, that would leave only Ickes and Wolffson on Team Clinton. That's like watching Larry and Curley without Moe. That's no fun at all.

Posted by: IceNine | April 7, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Obama supporters would rather Hillary use this story, reported by the Inspector General in Illinois about patient dumping and the University of Chicago Hospital where Michelle Obama works for over $300,000 a year:
The University of Chicago Hospitals (UCH), Illinois, agreed to pay $35,000 to resolve its liability for CMPs under the patient dumping statute. The OIG alleged that the hospital failed to accept an appropriate transfer of a 61-year-old male who presented to another emergency department with a complaint of flank pain. UCH had specialized capabilities not available at the transferring hospital and allegedly refused to accept transfer after learning that the patient did not have insurance. UCH then later agreed to accept transfer of the patient only if he provided proof of funds in a bank account. The patient was transferred to another hospital where he died.
source:http://oig.hhs.gov/fraud/enforcement/administrative/cmp/cmpitemspd.html#5

Posted by: laandew | April 7, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Aye. The cut-and-pastes are really an abuse.

Posted by: IceNine | April 7, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

I waited to see an attack ad from the Obama campaign or at least a press conference on Bosnia-gate....

I've been waiting for days for the Obama Campaign to publicly attack Hillary Clinton at a press conference on Penn. Hasn't happened.

Obama is explaining his case to voters, warts and all, instead of trying to tear Hillary down.

Posted by: asja | April 7, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

svreader, tell me this honestly: between Clinton and Obama, who has run the better campaign and why?
Posted by: meldupree
__________________________________

You know you are asking for a lot, right? I mean, anything other than cut & paste is probably not doable.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | April 7, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

AYE

I have asked for the same more than 2 weeks ago

It is not because of HIS opinions, but because he is a paid member of the HILLARY campaign, which is a fraud if posting on these blogs (sometimes 25-30 times per hour)

I suggest SVREADER shall reveal his name and address to Washington Post and sign an affidavit stating that he is unrelated to Hillary's campaign. He should advise bloggers that he did so!

caminito

Posted by: caminito | April 7, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Penn appears to be following in the footsteps of President Clinton's economic advisors to Congress in 1999 leading to enactment of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. This sweeping piece of legislation - also called the Enron loophole - has resulted in significant unintended consequences that no one in Congress dare touch. They permitted Wall Street to divert the resouces that once fueled our nations economy for an economy that rewards hedge funds like Amaranth and the so called trustees that manage them. This law has fostered incredible growth in the global market, and appears to have also fostered the runup in the zero based mortgage marketplace. This fact appeared in the Washington Post last October in a letter from a US Commodity Futures Trading Commissioner, Barton Chilton.


Posted by: chrisnjanine | April 7, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

JSINDC SAYS:

""I wish he were fired after super Tuesday but Hillary has done remarkably well thus far despite Penn's incompetence. Hillary's campaign will be full of steam from this point on.''

As it seems that this is a honest opinion and not paid by the Hillary campaign as SVREADER's and other, I address you seriously"

Is it possible that after all what happened in the last few weeks, only as an example the Tuzla fable and many lies, you try to ignore reality and see good news even if they are disasterously terminal ??

Who hired PENN and the other incompentent (but self convinced that they are very clever!)people as her past and present campaign mangers (appointed because of frienship and gender instead qualifications), ICKES, WOLFSON and so on ??
And as yourself state, who maintained PENN after supertuesday, when the failed strategy was reconfimed (it was already visible after S.Carolina), allowing 11 losses in row, also the advantage in Texas to evaporate and reducing Ohio to a gain of a few delegates ??

And most flagrant: who allowed or even induced Hillary to make the fatal mistakes regarding TUZLA and the NAFTA and North IRELAND peace talks ??

DOES STRATEGY DOESN'T IMPLY CHECKING THE FACTS ????

caminito

Posted by: caminito | April 6, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

pKrishna43,
I agree with you that Wright's statements, as quoted, were very divisive and unacceptable. Obama has made the point that Wright has been a public figure for 35 years and the balance of his record can be attested by tens of thousands of people.

With more and more attention on the Wright issue, his full sermon is being seen by hundreds of thousands each week. When people see the full sermons, the reaction is still negative, but nowhere close to the shock of an out-of context truncation. To use your analogy, it's like assuming someone is a bad, hate-filled parent because you saw them saying something mean to their kids.

No one said it better and more honestly than Mike Huckabee, and he's a Republican conservative preacher.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZNwMPNxwHmQ

I agree it's going to be an issue in the election but the opportunity for context is already being used very well by the UCC's 10,000 congregations countrywide, and most of them are white congregations.

Posted by: asja | April 6, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

AYE

Posted by: suekzoo1 | April 6, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

svreader, tell me this honestly: between Clinton and Obama, who has run the better campaign and why?

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

NAY

I think of svreader as the Clinton's court jester
________________________________

Except svrepeater is really an operative for Limbaugh's Operation Chaos. :o)

Posted by: suekzoo1 | April 6, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

yes the filth is surfacing. Bosnia, Ohio Hospital, NAFTA, Colombia trade agreements. The stink is pronounced. And it is all coming from the direction of Hillary.
Posted by: infuse
_________________________________
Not to mention, her campaign's money problems, stiffing small business people left and right, making them threaten court action, etc. And the fact that she owes $300k for health insurance premiums for her staff! Sheesh! Now that the tax returns have come out showing the impressive income, it really makes you wonder who the heck is going to want to contribute to this losing proposition.

Posted by: suekzoo1 | April 6, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

meld --

Why not read everything you can about Obama?


He's lied more than all the other candidates combined.

Read the article from commmentary.


Posted by: svreader | April 6, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Penn will have to get Harlod's knife out his back before he can go back to union busting. The influence peddling Clintons want to get back into the White House so they can increase their net worth.
What a bunch of phonies they are.
Rendell is the only American Jew that has sold his soul to Arab interests like the Clintons & Bushes. When are we going to get non hustlers for leaders?

Posted by: stanjax3 | April 6, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

Slippery Hillary - lied to America from day one!

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Logan6 --

Its clear that you've never read my posts.

I'm a Clinton Supporter.

I think she'd be the best President.

If Obama's the candidate, I'll vote for McCain, but if Obama's the candidate, McCain will win by a landslide anyway.

Open your eyes.

Learn as much as you can about ALL the candidates.

Posted by: svreader | April 6, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

NAY

I think of svreader as the Clinton's court jester who indeed brings levity to the audience by acting like a buffoon and betraying his Ph.D. credentials (probably from some degree mill in Wyoming).

Next, he has the right to express his opinion, regardless of how insane svreader sounds at times (which is early and often).

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

"After the events of the last few days, Mark Penn has asked to give up his role as Chief Strategist of the Clinton Campaign; Mark, and Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates, Inc. will continue to provide polling and advice to the campaign," Williams wrote.

Folks -- he did NOT quit the campaign. His title's been changed -- he'll continue to poll and advise Mrs. Clinton's campaign. It's stunts like this that make people a bit frustrated or skeptical as to Mrs. Clinton's transperancy. This is the capper to a string of credibility issues -- Bosnia sniper fire; Mrs. Clinton's NAFTA inconsistency and early support; using a false anecdote in her stump speeches about an Ohio woman that purportedly died after supposedly being refused medical care for being uninsured (she had insurance) and failing to pay $100 upfront; going to ND to poach "pledged" Obama delegates; her ability to feel our economic pain from the $109.2M heights; and this gaffe. First, why had Mr. Penn been permitted to continue lobbying for Blackwater, Colombia etc. in the first place. Are you telling me that anybody hired him not expecting him to whisper sweet nothings about their positions into Mrs. Clinton's ear? Not to mention earning $300,000 representing the repressive, anti-union government of Colombia in anything, much less legislation your candidate supposedly opposes. Judgment people -- judgment. Secondly, he leaves the "top strategist" post, but continues to serve the campaign doing polls and giving advice? How's that different than his current post? So forgive me if I'm not impressed -- funny thing is I actually don't think Mrs. Clinton used Penn to signal to Colombia; I think Penn used Mrs. Clinton. I agree that she is a better politician than her campaign but as her campaign is the only evidence of her executive experience, I think all this mess is quite telling. Mrs. Clinton, if Mark Penn's actions deserve demotion they deserve, let's see, what is it, firing, right? Otherwise it looks like you might be trying to signal "denouncing" while continuing to benefit from Mr. Penn's services -- which I'm sure you'd never do.

Posted by: Omyobama | April 6, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Ripper, Boutan, infuse, etc --

Why not find out as much as you can about Obama?

Look at Obama's actions, not just his words.

Look at how he's changed his positions over and over again.

This election will determine who our next President is.

Why not find out as much as you can so you can make the best choice?

Posted by: svreader | April 6, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Shrillary Cliton - Ready to start lying to the country on day one.

Posted by: VeloStrummer | April 6, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

I HAVE A QUESTION: What does it say about Hillary's judgement, that her top campaign advisor works for Columbia, the drug capital of the world ??

Posted by: MarthaP1 | April 6, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

I HAVE A QUESTION: What does it say about Hillary's judgement, that her top campaign advisor works for Columbia, the drug capital of the world ??

Posted by: MarthaP1 | April 6, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

infuse,

As you like, but it's not a boycott. It's a petition we hope the editors will pick up on.

Posted by: rippermccord | April 6, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

AYE

Posted by: MarthaP1 | April 6, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

rippermccord - much as I agree with your sentiment, there are two reasons I cannot join your boycott:
- svrepeater brings so much buffoonery and outright laughter to everyone who reads his stuff. And laughter is good for the soul.
- svrepeater is known by at least a dozen other monikers he uses frequently.

Posted by: infuse | April 6, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

After the Penn story runs its course, maybe the press will clear up Hillary's little tale about the woman in Ohio who Hillary says was without health coverage, was denied hospital treatment and, as a result, died while pregnant.

The hospital in Ohio who treated the woman denies the truth of the story, refutes Hillary's claims and demands she stop spreading falsehoods about the hospital. The story was reported in yesterday's NYT and the Daily Kos.

So in the last three weeks we have had Hillary under sniper fire in Bosnia, the woman without health insurance in Ohio, her Saturday story in Oregon that she actually spoke out against the war in Iraq before Obama, and her Chief Strategist (Mark Penn) representing a foreign government. Thankfully CBS, the New York Times, Daily Kos, ABC News and other media sources have quickly debunked Hillary's tales and also shown some light on her staff's outside employment.

I hope the Super Delegates as well as the voters of Pennsylvania, Indiana, North Carolina, Kentucky, West Virginia, Oregon, Montana and South Dakota are listening. Its time to put the lady out of her misery.

++
If the press wants to bring up stories...how about Obama's story of the Selma march, how the Kennedy's helped fund his dad, etc.? Obama's got a few lies of his own.

Posted by: badger3 | April 6, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

I feel sorry for svreader and other fans of FOX News. Despite their campaign against Obama, their candidate, McCain, will have to face Obama. It's not the year for the spinners, the liars, and the crooks.

Posted by: Logan6 | April 6, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

No wonder Hillary claims so much "experience." It comes out of both sides of her mouth, all at the same time. Now I finally get what "twofers" means to her campaign.

Posted by: infuse | April 6, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

POST YOUR "AYE" TO THE BUMP SVREADER PETITION!

A 3600-word screed requiring 8 page scrolls or more to bypass?

Cut n paste propaganda?

Uncivil discourse?

Name calling?

POST THE WORD "AYE" AND ONLY THAT WORD TO SIGNIFY YOUR AGREEMENT IN PETITIONING THE WAPO EDITORS TO REMOVE SVREADER AS A USER OF THIS SITE.

Posted by: rippermccord | April 6, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

svreader, the tide is turning to Obama. Recognize that you too, can remain with Hillary or join an agent for change.

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

I happen to like the lady. Unfortunately she's all mortgaged-up. This is only one example. Sure she has ties to South America, and many other places too. Of course, that's what politicians do. But it is all too obvious in her case. That just can't fly. It would be nice, but ain't going to happen.

Posted by: RegisUrgel | April 6, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Penn is just giving up his title just like Patti Solis Doyle and Mark Henry just gave up their positions in Hillary's inner circle. Ha! Mark won't be spending too much time at Hillary HQ.

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

MR. JOHN EDWARDS

HAVE YOU NOT SEEN AND HEARD ENOUGH ?????
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=========================================

DO YOUR DUTY AS A DEMOCRAT. TELL PRIVATELY HILLARY, IN UNMISTAKABLE TERMS, TO GET OUT, ADDING THAT IF SHE DOES NOT COMPLY, YOU WOULD ENDORSE OBAMA AND CAMPAIGN WITH HIM AT THE BLUE COLLAR VOTERS IN NC, IN AND WV, SO THAT ANY PERSPECTIVES FOR HER GAINING MEANINGFULLY THERE WILL EVAPORATE.

CAMINITO

Posted by: caminito | April 6, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

svredeerintheadlights

Question:

Why can't this ex-president's wife make a speech about Mark Penn?

The world needs someone with a firm hand on the American tiller.

Why can't she say why she can't fire him?

**crickets**crickets***

Posted by: shrink2 | April 6, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

The headline and the lead paragraph are misleading. Or Ms. Kornblut has been bamboozled. He's not resigning from her campaign. With the Clinton campaign you have to parse the words carefully. He has asked to "give up his role as Chief Strategist of the Clinton Campaign; Mark, and Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates, Inc. will continue to provide polling and advice to the campaign," that does not mean he is resigning. It is simply that he will step out of the limelight and lurk in the shadows. It is not a move based on principle, but on perception and expedience. These people think that the media and public opinion are their playthings. And for the most part they're right.

Posted by: jstafford | April 6, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Let's not continue to encourage svreader and his peers by responding to his/their foolishness. It only encourages him/them to be even more irrational.

But then again, maybe we should because the more he/they speak, the more irrelevant they become.

OBAMA in 08!

Posted by: roxlaw | April 6, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Strange stuff here. Do you mean, heaven forbid, that Hillary has a "lobiest" for a campaign chairman. The same type of person as Charley Black, who works for John MC when he caught so much flack for having "lobiests" on his staff. Of course Anne refers to him here as a "Corporate Executive".
Let me get this straight as well...he was responsible for not "humanizing" Hillary.
She needs some one to do it for her? Maybe that's a reason she is sucking dust these days.

Posted by: sudderth | April 6, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

pKrishna43 - Another Hillarite telling lies.

Obama said he hadn't heard any of Rev Wright's comments being "looped." A clear reference to those endless 24/7 video loops played on radio and TV. He has never said he hasn't heard anything controversial. Only that he had not previously heard those looped words.

Now go back to working up another lie. You need to do something to keep yourself busy. And "supporting" Hillary is far from your mind.

Posted by: infuse | April 6, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

svreader, your repost of the New York Times endorsement of Senator Clinton is quite dated. Much has happened since then, including Hillary false claims of foreign policy experience (including the Northern Ireland peace accords and the Tuzla sniper story, as well as the discredited story about the woman who had no health insurance). I am sure the editorial board of the New York Times resemble the Democratic populace of Ohio and California (see, usnews.com) who are having buyers' remorse!

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are in denial.

They just don't "get it"

The fact that Obama allied himself with someone who spouts anti-white, anti-semitic, and anti-American rhetoric is a "deal breaker"

Its the number #1 topic of water cooler conversation around the country.

Most "Typical White People" had no idea that stuff like this has been going on.

People are really, really, angry about it.

Obama's supporters try to spin it into being about a single sermon.

Its not.

Its about a 20 year relationship.

Its about Obama choosing Wright to be his "Spritual Advisor"

It's about Obama's lies.

Its about Obama talking out of both sides of his mouth.

Obama presented himself as a paragon of virtue and someone on a higher ethical plane than other candidates.

He's repeatedly shown through his actions that he isn't.

He's like a human chameleon.

He turns into a completely different person depending on what group of people he's with.

He's lied to us and fooled us over and over.

America doesn't trust him anymore.

He's toast.

He deserves to be.

Posted by: svreader | April 6, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

asja,

Let me stipulate your claim that the 90-second clips from the pastor's sermons did not constitute a representative sample. I don't know that, and I don't think it was 'proven', but let's just accept that for argument's sake.

Suppose I was stopped for going through a red light. I can't argue that it should be overlooked because it is a mere 30-second clip from my years of driving.

Suppose a campaign refers to Sen. Obama in a derogatory manner. It wouldn't be possible to claim that that single incident should be considered along with hundreds of other incidents where no such derogatory reference was made. Would it?

What Rev. Wright said is despicable, as could be seen in those 90-second clips. That he may have spouted innocent altruisms in many other sermons, that he preached peace and harmony the rest of the time, is besides the point.

To show him as a hate-monger, it is not necessary to show the hate through all of his sermons; it is sufficient to show it in a few.

One more thing. To this date Sen. Obama has not been truthful about which of these clips he finds "repugnant" (because after he said he didn't hear any of them, and after he admitted that he heard some of them, after he said that he doesn't find them "all that controversial", he said he finds them repugnant!), why he sat silent for 20 years, and now suddenly revealing that he would have quit the church had not the pastor retired.

The horse ain't dead. It is going to be resurrected in the general election, if Obama is the nominee. You can bet on that.

Posted by: pKrishna43 | April 6, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

jato1 - yes the filth is surfacing. Bosnia, Ohio Hospital, NAFTA, Colombia trade agreements. The stink is pronounced. And it is all coming from the direction of Hillary.

Posted by: infuse | April 6, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

It says a lot about the Post that with the economy collapsing, the dollar plummeting, Iraq becoming even more of a disaster, etc., etc., this kind of political inside-baseball fluff counts as an "important" story. In fact, it isn't a story at all, because, as a number of posters have pointed out, Penn will continue to work with the Clinton campaign. He's just relinquishing his meaningless "Chief Strategist" title so that he doesn't lose any more accounts for Burson-Marsteller. Big &*#@!! deal!

Posted by: lydgate | April 6, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

She didn't fire Penn, she demoted him. Read the press release. All labor organizations worth the name should cancel their support for Clinton. Penn represents, Cinta, Blackwater and the Colombian government, among other slimy clients. He's been working for the Clintons since 1996 and he still is as a pollster and adviser. What does that say about the ethics of "working class hero" Hillary Rodham Clinton?

Posted by: johnsonc2 | April 6, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

How many times must we be confronted with Hillary and friends hypocricy before we realize that she and her ilk are unfit to assume the presidency?

How is it that she could not have known about Penn's activities? More importantly, how is it that she maintains a relationship with a KEY member of her campaign staff that feels comfortable engaging in activities that she supposedly abhors (communicating with foreign governments on a NAFTA like initiative)behind her back?

I dread the types of charactors she would install once she was presidient.

These people have absolutely NO INTEGRITY!

Posted by: roxlaw | April 6, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

From The NYT - Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton would both help restore America's global image, to which President Bush has done so much grievous harm. They are committed to changing America's role in the world, not just its image.

On the major issues, there is no real gulf separating the two. They promise an end to the war in Iraq, more equitable taxation, more effective government spending, more concern for social issues, a restoration of civil liberties and an end to the politics of division of George W. Bush and Karl Rove.

Mr. Obama has built an exciting campaign around the notion of change, but holds no monopoly on ideas that would repair the governing of America. Mrs. Clinton sometimes overstates the importance of résumé. Hearing her talk about the presidency, her policies and answers for America's big problems, we are hugely impressed by the depth of her knowledge, by the force of her intellect and by the breadth of, yes, her experience.

It is unfair, especially after seven years of Mr. Bush's inept leadership, but any Democrat will face tougher questioning about his or her fitness to be commander in chief. Mrs. Clinton has more than cleared that bar, using her years in the Senate well to immerse herself in national security issues, and has won the respect of world leaders and many in the American military. She would be a strong commander in chief.

Domestically, Mrs. Clinton has tackled complex policy issues, sometimes failing. She has shown a willingness to learn and change. Her current proposals on health insurance reflect a clear shift from her first, famously disastrous foray into the issue. She has learned that powerful interests cannot simply be left out of the meetings. She understands that all Americans must be covered -- but must be allowed to choose their coverage, including keeping their current plans. Mr. Obama may also be capable of tackling such issues, but we have not yet seen it. Voters have to judge candidates not just on the promise they hold, but also on the here and now.

The sense of possibility, of a generational shift, rouses Mr. Obama's audiences and not just through rhetorical flourishes. He shows voters that he understands how much they hunger for a break with the Bush years, for leadership and vision and true bipartisanship. We hunger for that, too. But we need more specifics to go with his amorphous promise of a new governing majority, a clearer sense of how he would govern.

The potential upside of a great Obama presidency is enticing, but this country faces huge problems, and will no doubt be facing more that we can't foresee. The next president needs to start immediately on challenges that will require concrete solutions, resolve, and the ability to make government work. Mrs. Clinton is more qualified, right now, to be president.

We opposed President Bush's decision to invade Iraq and we disagree with Mrs. Clinton's vote for the resolution on the use of force. That's not the issue now; it is how the war will be ended. Mrs. Clinton seems not only more aware than Mr. Obama of the consequences of withdrawal, but is already thinking through the diplomatic and military steps that will be required to contain Iraq's chaos after American troops leave.

On domestic policy, both candidates would turn the government onto roughly the same course -- shifting resources to help low-income and middle-class Americans, and broadening health coverage dramatically. Mrs. Clinton also has good ideas about fixing the dysfunction in Mr. Bush's No Child Left Behind education program.

Mr. Obama talks more about the damage Mr. Bush has done to civil liberties, the rule of law and the balance of powers. Mrs. Clinton is equally dedicated to those issues, and more prepared for the Herculean task of figuring out exactly where, how and how often the government's powers have been misused -- and what must now be done to set things right.

As strongly as we back her candidacy, we urge Mrs. Clinton to take the lead in changing the tone of the campaign. It is not good for the country, the Democratic Party or for Mrs. Clinton, who is often tagged as divisive, in part because of bitter feeling about her husband's administration and the so-called permanent campaign. (Indeed, Bill Clinton's overheated comments are feeding those resentments, and could do long-term damage to her candidacy if he continues this way.)

We know that she is capable of both uniting and leading. We saw her going town by town through New York in 2000, including places where Clinton-bashing was a popular sport. She won over skeptical voters and then delivered on her promises, and handily won re-election in 2006.

Her ideas, her comeback in New Hampshire and strong showing in Nevada, her new openness to explaining herself and not just her programs, and her abiding, powerful intellect show she is fully capable of doing just that. She is the best choice for the Democratic Party as it tries to regain the White House.

Posted by: svreader | April 6, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

jato1, we are no more afraid that Hillary and her surrogates trying to hijack the process via the super-delegates. However, even that has become a steeper climb as Hillary has a net loss of -34 super-delegates since Super Tuesday while Obama has gained about 60 or so (source: nytimes.com). So personally, I don't mind going to the last primary -- it will show how desperate and afraid Senator Clinton is of losing. Guaranteed.

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

A message to all you Obamites who loathe competition and the democratic process. I do realize that RevWright has stirred your juices...whoops, I mean base instincts...and you actually do understand that to complete an election cycle is both inefficient and untidy. After all, time allows for more filth to surface...and filth is not what your candidate is selling...I mean represents.

So...you are impatient. You demand H withdraw from the election. You understand the INDEPENDENCE OF THE SUPER DELEGATES, however, show disregard and contempt for the process.

You, a tyranny of the minority, wish to HIJACK the process and force an UNTIMELY END to the primary season. You are impatient with democracy. You are fearful of further truths emerging from the sewer of...make that your candidate's basement.

You-are-afraid.

Or you wouldn't call an end to this before it is over.


so young, so dumb, so soft, so SENSITIVE. awwwwwww.

Posted by: jato1 | April 6, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

How is Penn "out" when he's going to continue to do polling and give advice to Clinton? He lost his title in a coup in name only.

Window dressing. Out would mean severing ties with Penn. Until then, he's in. Please correct your factually incorrect report.

Posted by: truth2 | April 6, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Pennsylvaniania's labor unions and the hard working middle class must be very comfortable knowing that Hillary's Chief Stratagist was working on the next trade agreement to cost them more of their jobs. Experienced ready day one to lead. Posted by: mvers
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Actually, in all seriousness, the Unions are mighty upset:

http://www.unitehere.org/presscenter/release.php?ID=3454

Posted by: suekzoo1 | April 6, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

"...after months of dissatisfaction with his performance..." What? Months?

Her campaign has gone down the drain for months and only now they dump this dude?

Slick Willie deja vu, playing both sides of the street while supposedly being Hillary's guy.

The irony here is too rich. Does Hillary have a clue about her own campaign?

Posted by: 809212876 | April 6, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

an interesting and self-destructive trait manifests itself in chronic liars. They spend so much time lying and become so adept at spinning fibs that at some point they cross over and become semi-delusional and start really believing the stories their telling.

People are amazed that even though the person will be almost certainly caught in their fiction, still they persist. Wow

Posted by: Just_the_Facts | April 6, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Keep on destroying what little remains of your credibility with this prolonged, pointless effort to gain the Democratic nomination. God is having his way with your campaign, and no matter how hard you and your supporters work against him, you'll find that it's like trying to hold back the wind. If you want to totally destroy yours and Bubba's legacy, and your Senatorial career, then by all means continus until your energies and resources are exhausted. My advice would be for you to bring an end to the division in the party and to start talking about how, under an inspirational leader, we are going to right the wrongs done in our name. Just try to salvage something from this debacle of a campaign.

Posted by: sicnarfe | April 6, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

svreader, are you going to stay on the Titanic called the Clinton campaign or are you going to get into a lifeboat?

Posted by: meldupree
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News Flash from the Lifeboats: The Titanic is changing Captains!

Posted by: suekzoo1 | April 6, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Some correction is due here. Mark Penn has stepped aside but not removed himself from the Clinton campaign. He will still be giving his stratigy position and his company is still retained by Hillary. The Columbians are the ones who fired him.

Pennsylvaniania's labor unions and the hard working middle class must be very comfortable knowing that Hillary's Chief Stratagist was working on the next trade agreement to cost them more of their jobs. Experienced ready day one to lead. Yeah, RIGHT!

Wake up. This is just more proof that Hillary will say and do anything to get elected. People must be able to see that the Clintons only do what is best for their own political gain.

Once again the Clinton camp falls short on integrity, honesty, and judgement. While labor has it's voice at the table she talks about her people will be out working on more NAFTA and Columbian trade agreements. But what do I know, I am only a 35 year union member.

Posted by: mvers | April 6, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

She's still winning the Irish vote today: Clinton is slated to attend the Irish-American Presidential Forum in New York this week.

Posted by: Iowatreasures
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Yippee! Hillary for President - of Ireland! When does she leave?

Posted by: suekzoo1 | April 6, 2008 10:30 PM
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Well remember, Hillary Clinton negotiated the Good Friday peace accord for Northern Ireland, so maybe that can be her platform (snicker).

svreader, are you going to stay on the Titanic called the Clinton campaign or are you going to get into a lifeboat?

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

perhaps felons can be allowed to vote and Peter Paul can run the campaign?

Posted by: Just_the_Facts | April 6, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Hillary can't fire Penn for two reasons: she still owes him more money than the campaign has; and he knows too much stuff about Hillary's lies, maybe even far more than we've already learned.

That can't go down well with union members in PA and elsewhere. If you think her lead in PA has fallen a lot in the last two weeks, get ready for some really "precipitous" drops before the primary. I think the Penn non-firing means Obama wins PA, and Hillary quits!

Posted by: infuse | April 6, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps she will pull some strings, get Peter Paul out to go back to work for her filling up the campaign coffers?

Posted by: Just_the_Facts | April 6, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

svreader, is this ok because you like the abuse?

Take off your nipple clamps. It is over now. Relax. Breathe.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 6, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

MarthaP1 referred to Columbia as the drug capital of the world.

This the kind of dumb, uninformed statement made by Americans that enfuriates Latin Americans. But who are the drug users? The Americans are. What is the biggest illegal drug market? The USA. Is USA supposed to mean The United States of Addicts?

As far as Latin Americans are concerned, Latin America (Bolivia, Peru, Colombia, Mexico, etc.) is only the diving board, but the United States is the swimming pool.

When will the United States and its people muster up sufficient internal fortitude or courage to confront what has gone wrong with the very fabric of US society?

Interdiction has never worked and it never will. The American people have to confront themselves and find out what it is that drives them to drug consumption and get going with education and rehabilitation programs. Why has the "American Way of Life" gone to........... pot?

To MarthaP1 and everyone else who thinks like her on this issue, this is what it looks like "south of the border", all the way down to the tip of South America. Stop pointing fingers southward.

Expatriate in Mexico City

Posted by: RickCadena | April 6, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

She's still winning the Irish vote today: Clinton is slated to attend the Irish-American Presidential Forum in New York this week.

Posted by: Iowatreasures
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Yippee! Hillary for President - of Ireland! When does she leave?

Posted by: suekzoo1 | April 6, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Is FEMA running her campaign?

Posted by: Just_the_Facts | April 6, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Every time Obama supporters claim he has "integrity" it makes me want to puke!!!

Chicago Barry Obama is a con-man who only cares about himself.

Obama Supporters --

How can anyone support Barry Obama when he let the poorest of the poor who elected him in Chicago freeze in slums in his district his friend and campaign contributor Rezok got $100M to repair or replace?

Obama knew, but did nothing.

That says everything.

Before you send any more of your, or your parent's, hard earned money to Barry Obama --

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from NBC news, Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

How do you explain away the fact that Barry Obama never followed up on the 11 slums that his friend Rezko was supposed to repair in Obama's district in Chicago, and continued to do nothing about the 40 slums that Rezko was supposed to repair or replace in Chicago, even after Obama joined the US Senate?

From the Chicago Sun Times:

For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago's South Side.

It was just four years after the landlords -- Antoin "Tony'' Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru -- had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.

Rezko and Mahru couldn't find money to get the heat back on.

But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building....

The building in Englewood was one of 30 Rezmar rehabbed in a series of troubled deals largely financed by taxpayers. Every project ran into financial difficulty. More than half went into foreclosure, a Chicago Sun-Times investigation has found.

"Their buildings were falling apart,'' said a former city official. "They just didn't pay attention to the condition of these buildings.''

Eleven of Rezko's buildings were in Obama's state Senate district....

Rezko and Mahru had no construction experience when they created Rezmar in 1989 to rehabilitate apartments for the poor under the Daley administration. Between 1989 and 1998, Rezmar made deals to rehab 30 buildings, a total of 1,025 apartments. The last 15 buildings involved Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland during Obama's time with the firm.

Rezko and Mahru also managed the buildings, which were supposed to provide homes for poor people for 30 years. Every one of the projects ran into trouble:

* Seventeen buildings -- many beset with code violations, including a lack of heat -- ended up in foreclosure.

* Six buildings are currently boarded up.

* Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.

* Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.

Posted by: svreader | April 6, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I imagine Mr. Penn finds some relief in having dived off of the sinking ship Clinton.

Posted by: binkynh | April 6, 2008 07:08 PM
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Right, seems also that he had to know that there would be repercussions behind conducting the meeting and this could actually have been a strategy to bolster his leaving the campaign. He probably thought that the Columbia contract was worth being able to exit. So I sense that this was calculated on Penn's part to be able to "get out of there". There may be a lot that be said about him, I doubt stupid would be a valid description.

Posted by: ddraper81 | April 6, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

By every key objective measure it's becoming laughable this refrain of Clinton's that, if elected, she would be ready to govern the nation as its Chief Executive from day one. Ill-advised personnel appointments at the very highest level---both Campaign Manager and Chief Strategist, staff mis-management (disarray, infighting, finger-pointing), fundraising shortfalls, budget and expense mis-allocation, financial mis-management, short-sighted strategic planning for a protracted primary race---all expose her executive management and decision-making skills (for a campaign she's been planning for years!) as not merely lacking expertise but glaringly deficient, and ironically paling in comparison to those demonstrated by the campaign of her "inexperienced" rival.

Add to these deficiencies her misrepresentations, exaggerations and outright lies, her tendency toward secrecy and non-disclosure, her stubborn, arrogant refusal to acknowledge and take ownership of her mistakes, and her prizing loyalty over competence and Clinton starts to bear a strong resemblance to a certain hapless Chimp -in- Chief.

Posted by: calcotw | April 6, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Is Goolsbee still on OBAMA'S staff????

and how about his foreign affairs advisor who broke into the State Department files????

Or, does he only throw women under his bus...like dear Grandmother??????????????

Posted by: accountability_in_gov | April 6, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

asja - when you spoke of svrepeater as weighing in, little did you know.

I heard that he still lives at home with his mother, in the locked basement with only his computer, a dozen or so stained copies of Hustler, and his mother's money for pizza and beer. I think I saw that he's "weighing in" at about 350 lbs now.

Posted by: infuse | April 6, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

svreader,
temper, temper, you may blow a gasket - take deep breaths, in - out - in - out - don't want you to have a stroke or heart attack - from the look of all those CAPS.

Posted by: lettie1 | April 6, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Well maybe the largest political fund raising movement in history has nothing to do with Barak Obama. It might have something to do with what he is saying about who we need to be and who we can be.

Mark Penn is worse than Karl Rove. There is a difference. Rove would never have done what Penn did.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 6, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I don't know who was responsible for Hillary Clinton's lack of a strong, clear message for months on end, but I suppose Penn is a more likely candidate for blame than anyone else. The whole idea of her running as a virtual incumbent, talking about "35 years of experience" and "ready from day one" had very little, if anything, to do with what is important to voters. If one were choosing between a bag of cement and Clinton, then being ready for the job on the first day would be rather important. Most voters assume that the candidates are generally qualified to hold the office, unless they are given strong reason to believe otherwise. We don't hire resumes to be president, we hire people based on their judgment, values and potential for leadership and, probably lastly, their experience. While it is true that Clinton would bring unusual experience to the job, so would many other people, such almost any former presidential aide, people who are never considered for the position.

Clinton needed to come out of the gate showing some passionate reason she should be elected and show the public strong reasons to believe she could accomplish important things for the country. She needed to re-introduce herself as an person independent of her husband. Instead, we got a wall full of slogans without much meaning or value in making a decision as voters.

The Clinton campaign is likely to be studied for decades ahead as a masterpiece of disaster. It is not merely that a younger candidate came on so strong, it is that she left such a gaping opportunity for Obama's candidacy.

Perhaps Mrs. Clinton's biggest error, one that has not been considered widely, was in not making an earlier presidential run in 2004. Had she challenged a sitting president, she could have erased her record on the Iraq war and gained valuable experience, of the important kind, running for president that could have paid off this year. Remember, even Ronald Reagan, who came across as a relaxed natural in campaigns, started running, actively, for president more than 12 years before his election. He was a last minute, wild card candidate in 1968 and a serious contender in 1976, before finally winning the nomination in 1980.

It is clear that Clinton and her campaign staff believed the nomination, and most likely the presidency, was hers for the asking. They tried to run a safe campaign in a year when the voters are fed up with the status quo. Voters this year want not just a change in policies and a new direction for government, they want a sense that the country, as a whole, is changing and moving out of partisan stalemate and international disaster. As they did in 1960 and 1980, they want to find a reason to hope and believe, in themselves and their country. This is the difference, I think, between having a manager, an administrator as president and having a national leader.

Posted by: DougTerryterryreportcom | April 6, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Notice how Obama isn't calling a news conference to gloat over the Penn-Clinton-NAFTA?
That's because he has integrity

STDbreeder, it's spelled i-n-t-e-g-r-i-t-y
look up what it means

Posted by: Just_the_Facts | April 6, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

infuse --

READ THE ARTICLE.

OBAMA'S SWITCHED POSITIONS ON THE WAR FROM FOR, TO AGAINST, TO FOR, TO AGAINST, OVER AND OVER, AT RADIO FREQUENCY RATES!!!!


Posted by: svreader | April 6, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

svreader,
if i could just see one piece of original analysis of an issue from you, i'd stop laughing at you. you're clearly the most light-weight thinker on this forum, and you lower the average substantially every time you weigh in on an issue.


Posted by: asja | April 6, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

hehehe "svreader |" - grasping at straws - point that finger - point it - when you can't defend your candidate - point your finger at the other guy - yup - that's how we do it... and guess what, it's been done too many times since Texas and Ohio and doesn't work with us anymore - so you need to take approach there.

Posted by: lettie1 | April 6, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Hillary didn't know that Penn left her campaign to go to Columbia, for the NAFTA deal?
C'mon, you can't mis-know that

Posted by: Just_the_Facts | April 6, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

What's all this talk about Obama's guy telling the Canadians that he didn't really mean what he said about Nafta? Ministry officials who have said publicly that BOTH candidates had made such assurances, but Canada's answer to Fox news only reported half the story. That's been an embarrassment to the conservatives because they're being seen as orchestrating a selective leak to help the US Republicans, who are not well liked in Canada, even by many Conservative voters.

Posted by: mholsen | April 6, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

whoa!

svreader can write in paragraphs

Posted by: shrink2 | April 6, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Obama takes both sides of every issue.

Are you claiming that is race related?

If you are...

THATS REALLY RACIST.

Posted by: svreader | April 6, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

The ditch svrepeater, don't forget the ditch! Hillary helped drive the bus into the ditch. And as Obama said during the debate, once in the ditch, there are only so many ways to get back out of the ditch.

Barack Obama has been steadfast in his opposition to the war. And he also used good judgment trying to find ways to get the bus out of the ditch. But with one of your favorite guys as president, there isn't a way to get past the driver. YET!

I know these last few weeks of Hillary's lies and allowing her staff's healthcare to lapse are getting to you svrepeater. But deep down you must have known all along that she would dump on you too. Any fool could see that coming for months now.

Posted by: infuse | April 6, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

svreader, when Senator Clinton drops from the race, I'm going to go have a nonalcoholic beer and make a toast with my friends. Obama can make his own positions -- the man is a wonk and fundraising superfreak. Obama will be just fine without Hillary.

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

svreader still doesn't get it he's the laughingstock of WAPO reader forums!

Tap-tap-a-tap and cut and paste yet goes silly svreader.

Posted by: binkynh | April 6, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

brewstercounty,
if i were a union worker busting my life every day and faithfully sending Senator Clinton 50 bucks a month to fight this race, I'd be hurt by a lot of things:

[A] She didn't level with the public on NAFTA and White House records show she pushed for it.
[B] Penn has been on Colombia's payroll since 2000/2001, she hasn't leveled with us on when she knew this and is hoping that it will go away because he resigned.

Colombia's Harvard-educated president Uribe is the only foreign president so far to come out and directly attack Obama.

It's weird that he didn't publicly criticize Clinton who has exactly the same "firm opposition" as Obama to this trade deal. In the same week that the news of his ambassador's meeting with Penn broke.

It's also weird that Penn, who was paid $300,000 last year by the Colombians forgot to tell Clinton about such a massive conflict of interest and his clients couldn't figure out if he was speaking for himself or the Clinton campaign.

Either Penn is a really dumb strategist who couldn't so much as start a clearly conflicted meeting with a disclaimer, or someone is lying to us. Given the large number of lobbyists around Washington, sticking with a conflicted relationship like this must have meant that Colombia expected to benefit from Penn's close relationship with Clinton. Penn could only have maintained such a close, risky and conflicted relationship if he thought it was worth the risk.

Someone's lying to us but the MSM seems to lack journalists who can ask questions, even when obvious clues point to possible lying.

Posted by: asja | April 6, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Clinton supporters are filling up forum post entries in political news forums with pages and pages of boiler plate racist inciteful propaganda.

Way to represent your candidate!

Posted by: Just_the_Facts | April 6, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey gang, watch out! Svreader is on a Clinton "cut-and-paste" tear this evening. Guess with the lies being exposed and Penn getting caught double-dealing, svreader realizes it is only a matter of time when Hillary will be dragged off the stage screaming, "I'm supposed to be President! It's MY turn! It's not fair!" and all the other rantings of a lunatic will be heard from her. Just bear with it a little while longer. It will be over soon.

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Told you so.

This is all over but the shouting.

Can you imagine poor Bill tonight?
He needs an intern right now. Oh wait.

Earlier svreader said no one cares about his sex life and why Hillary ignored it.
She married him for his mind, he opined.

Well Hillary, better start taking your choices a little more seriously. There are only so many lies upon lies that can be sustained.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 6, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

INFUSE,
I thought you might appreciate a little taste of Hillary's contempt for the truth so I misquoted Anne's article. Right away I got hypocritical results.

Your reaction is perfect, I made my point.

You asked me:

Do I need to give you that story or are you old enough to look it up for yourself?

YOU NEED TO ASK HILLARY!

Posted by: Just_the_Facts | April 6, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Penn disappears. Teller won't breathe a word.

Posted by: edbyronadams | April 6, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Obama was for the war, before he was against it, before he was for it again...

From "Commentary"


Throughout his dramatic campaign to win his party's nomination for the presidency, Senator Barack Obama has tended to ignore the specifics of policy in favor of the generalities of emotion, centering his appeal to voters on vague promises of "change" and "unity." But on one issue, above all others, Obama has remained fixated from the campaign's first moment, and that is the war in Iraq. By Obama's own account, the consistency of his stand on this war demonstrates more than anything else that he, a one-term United States Senator who arrived in Washington in 2005 with no foreign-policy experience, after an uneventful eight-year stint in the Illinois state senate, possesses the wisdom, the clear-sightedness, and the judgment to assume the responsibilities of the nation's commander-in-chief.

Obama calls Iraq "the most important foreign-policy decision in a generation." By the word "decision," presumably, he means to refer at once to President Bush's decision to invade Iraq, Congress's decision to authorize that policy, and his own early decision to oppose any such action.

Indeed, Obama was not yet in the Senate, and the Senate had not yet voted to authorize the war, when, in a speech delivered in Chicago on October 2, 2002, he announced his view of the matter. Granting forthrightly that the Iraqi despot Saddam Hussein had "repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity," and that he "butchers his own people," Obama nevertheless held that, despite all these well-proven crimes, Saddam posed no "imminent and direct threat to the United States or to his neighbors." What is more, he added, "I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences."

Nine days later, the Senate passed its resolution granting George Bush the authority to use force to remove Saddam Hussein from power. In the Senate that day were four of Obama's rivals in this year's Democratic contest for the presidency--Hillary Clinton, John Edwards, Christopher Dodd, and Joseph Biden--and all four voted in favor.1 A fifth rival, Governor Bill Richardson of New Mexico, also spoke out in support of the war.

Alone among this year's major Democratic candidates, then, Obama can claim an unspotted record of opposition to American involvement in Iraq and even a kind of prescience as to the subsequent course of events there. In any account of his electoral success so far, this factor must weigh as heavily as his natural eloquence and his ingratiating personality.

But Obama's thoughts on the war in Iraq did not begin and end with that one speech in October 2002. In fact, an examination of both his statements and his Senate votes over the intervening years demonstrates something very different from the consistency that he and his supporters have claimed for him. It demonstrates instead a record of problematically ad-hoc judgments at best, calculatingly cynical judgments at worst. Even if, for the sake of argument, one were to stipulate that Barack Obama was right in 2002, what does this subsequent record say about his fitness to serve?

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Almost as soon as the war began in March 2003, Obama had second thoughts about his opposition to it. Watching the dramatic footage of the toppling of Saddam's statue in Baghdad, and then the President's speech aboard the U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln, "I began to suspect," he would write later in his autobiographical The Audacity of Hope (2006), "that I might have been wrong." And these second thoughts seem to have stayed with him throughout the entire first phase of the occupation following our initial combat victory. As he told the Chicago Tribune in July 2004, "There's not that much difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage."

This is hardly to say that he had suddenly metamorphosed into a hawk, let alone a supporter of the President's broader freedom agenda. Indeed, one would search long and hard for any words from this apostle of hope and change about the palpable benefits that democracy might bring to the Arabs and Muslims of the Middle East. Rather, he seems to have sensed a political weakness in his blanket opposition to a venture still enjoying broad support in the country, and one in which tens of thousands of American soldiers were risking their lives.

And so, in September 2004, in the heat of his campaign for the U.S. Senate, Obama said (according to an AP report) that even though Bush had "bungled his handling of the war," simply pulling out of Iraq "would make things worse." Therefore, he himself

would be willing to send more soldiers to Iraq if it is part of a strategy that the President and military leaders believe will stabilize the country and eventually allow America to withdraw.

"If that strategy made sense and would lead ultimately to the pullout of U.S. troops but in the short term required additional troop strength to protect those who are already on the ground, then that's something I would support," said Obama.

In November, having won election to the U.S. Senate, Obama once again confirmed his determination to stay the course in Iraq in an interview with PBS's Charlie Rose. "Once we go in, then we're committed," he said, adding:

[O]nce the decision was made, then we've got to do everything we can to stabilize the country, to make it successful, because we'll have too much at stake in the Middle East. And that's the position that I continue to take.
Indeed it was--for about a year. During that time, Obama delivered only one major speech on Iraq, in November 2005. At that point the situation on the ground was still very rocky and showing few if any signs of material improvement, and there was much talk of "exit strategies" in the air. But most liberal critics of the war (outside the rabid Left) were still not quite ready to cut and run. Accordingly, while reiterating that he had strongly opposed the Iraq war before it began, Obama also re-stated his belief that, having gone in, we had an obligation to "manage our exit in a responsible way--with the hope of leaving a stable foundation for the future, but at the very least taking care not to plunge the country into an even deeper and, perhaps, irreparable crisis."

How were we to accomplish that? The answer was: slowly but surely. In the months to come, Obama said, "we need to focus our attention on how to reduce the U.S. military footprint in Iraq. Notice that I say 'reduce,' and not 'fully withdraw.'" With a hint of greater specificity, he elaborated in January 2006 that "we have a role to play in stabilizing the country as Iraqis are getting their act together."

Presumably what Obama was referring to here was the strategy of training indigenous Iraqi forces to "stand up" so that we could "stand down." This was the same view of the military situation held by other critics of the Bush administration--and by the administration itself, which was in the process of trying to implement just that strategy.2 But as conditions in Iraq worsened over the course of 2006 and polls registered lower and lower levels of support for the President and the war--and as he himself was nearing a decision to run for the presidency--Obama's position shifted again, markedly so.

On October 22, 2006, Obama proclaimed the urgent necessity for "all the leadership in Washington to execute a serious change of course in Iraq." That change was decidedly not in the direction of stepping up our war effort by sending additional troops--a shift advocated by some conservative critics of administration policy and at that point being seriously considered by the White House and the Pentagon. Quite the contrary: the change Obama had in mind was to initiate, as quickly as possible, a "phased withdrawal" from Iraq. There was to be no more talk from him about leaving a "stabilized" situation. Nor, for Obama, was the issue debatable. His latest predictive judgment was that "We cannot, through putting in more troops or maintaining the presence that we have, expect that somehow the situation is going to improve."

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On January 10, 2007, Bush announced the administration's change in strategy in Iraq, popularly dubbed the "surge." That very night, Obama declared he saw nothing in the plan that would "make a significant dent in the sectarian violence that's taking place there." A week later, he repeated the point emphatically: the surge strategy would "not prove to be one that changes the dynamics significantly." Later in the same month, he summed up in these words his impression of the hearings on the new strategy held by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee: "What was striking to me, in listening to all the testimony that was provided, was the almost near-unanimity that the President's strategy will not work."

Whatever he was listening to, it could not have been "all the testimony." But the main point is that, within a mere matter of weeks, Obama had moved to align himself with the most extreme critics of the war. This re-positioning coincided with the announcement of his presidential candidacy on February 10, 2007. "It's time to start bringing our troops home," Obama said forcefully as he launched his run. "That's why I have a plan that will bring our combat troops home by March of 2008."

In May 2007, Obama did something he had never done previously: he voted in the Senate against funding for combat operations, claiming as a reason the fact that the bill included no timeline for troop withdrawal. As the campaign season intensified, his position hardened still more. In September, a mere three months after the final elements of the 30,000-strong surge forces had landed in Iraq, he declared that the moment had arrived to remove all of our combat troops "immediately." "Not in six months or one year--now."

By then, though, a fairly substantial drop in violence was already discernible in Iraq. Without exactly denying this fact, Obama insisted that it had nothing to do with the surge, a point he repeated incessantly during the early months of 2008. In a presidential debate in January, for example, he claimed the reduction in violence was due not to increased American military action but to the attention paid by Iraqi insurgents and al-Qaeda terrorists to the results of America's midterm elections in November 2006, when control of Congress passed to the Democrats:

Much of that violence has been reduced because there was an agreement with tribes in Anbar province, Sunni tribes, who started to see, after the Democrats were elected in 2006, you know what?--the Americans may be leaving soon. And we are going to be left very vulnerable to the Shiites. We should start negotiating now.
This was an astonishing statement on several counts. For one thing, the "Anbar Awakening"--in which Sunni tribes formerly allied with al Qaeda in Iraq turned on the foreign terrorists who had been making their lives a repressive hell--preceded the midterm election by several months. It had no connection with American electoral cycles and every connection with the brutality of al Qaeda (as internal al-Qaeda communications frankly conceded). For another thing, the prospect of a precipitous American retreat, far from helping along the chances of a negotiated political settlement between warring Iraqi factions, would almost certainly have created the opposite effect, reinvigorating the murderous hopes of the terrorist forces lately on the run and thereby undoing the Awakening altogether. Nor, incidentally, have those forces ever troubled themselves to discriminate between Sunni and Shiite in their frenzied determination to seize control. Finally, the sheikhs of Anbar have themselves testified to the crucially fortifying effect of the U.S. offensive against al Qaeda in Iraq, and there is no reason to doubt their word.

Obama's corkscrew logic would take an even more bizarre twist in February of this year when Tim Russert of NBC News asked him if, as President, he would reserve the right to go back into Iraq with sizable forces if the American withdrawal he advocated should end by introducing even greater mayhem. Previously Obama had asserted categorically that, on his watch, no permanent American bases would be left in Iraq and that the few American troops remaining there would have only a very limited mission: to protect our embassy and our diplomatic corps and to engage in counterterrorism. But in his answer to Russert he now broadened his options:

As commander-in-chief, I will always reserve the right to make sure that we are looking out for American interests. And if al Qaeda is forming a base in Iraq, then we will have to act in a way that secures the American homeland and our interests abroad.
To wonted illogic this added both ignorance and disingenuousness. By his statement Obama may have intended to project a certain tough-mindedness in dealing with new threats, but as Senator John McCain pointed out in a devastating riposte, al Qaeda is already in Iraq. That is why its forces there are called "al Qaeda in Iraq" (or, to use the terrorist organization's own nomenclature, "al Qaeda in Meso-potamia"). What is more, if Obama had had his way in 2007, our troops would have been out of Iraq by March of this year, leaving it naked to its enemies. If we were to withdraw them in the early months of an Obama presidency, al Qaeda in Iraq could be counted on not only to form "a base" but to take over large swaths of the country. Having overseen such a withdrawal, and having thereby unraveled all the gains of the surge, Obama would face the prospect of ordering them to return under far more treacherous conditions of his own making.

_____________

To say that Senator Obama has not thought through the implications of his vertiginously shifting positions is to err on the side of charity; in fact they give every appearance of having been adopted without any systematic thought whatsoever. The same, unfortunately, can be said for the other main pillar of his position on Iraq. This is that the way to bring stability to that country is not by winning the war in the first place but rather by striking a "new compact in the region"--one that will include all of Iraq's neighbors, including Syria and Iran. Such a compact, he says, will "secure Iraq's borders, keep neighbors from meddling, isolate al Qaeda, and support Iraq's unity."

Never mind that Syria and Iran have spent the past years doing everything in their power to violate Iraq's borders, meddle in its affairs, arm and support the factions that have been killing Iraqis and American troops alike, and fracture its unity. To Obama, all this murderous activity is but the understandable reaction of frustrated governments to the policies of George Bush (and, although he does not say so, every single one of his predecessors going back decades). By contrast, if he himself were elected President, both Iran and Syria would utterly reverse direction.

Obama's unlimited faith in diplomacy as a means of resolving deep-seated differences among nation-states is not exclusive to the Middle East. When asked if, during the first year of his presidency, he would meet individually and without precondition with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba, and North Korea, he replied: "I would. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them . . . is ridiculous." So enamored is he of this pledge that he has re-stated it regularly in the course of the campaign. Whenever he is asked how he would address a thorny foreign-policy issue, he invokes the need for diplomacy--first, last, and always.

The columnist Charles Krauthammer once characterized this disposition as the "broken-telephone theory of international conflict"--i.e., the belief that if nations fail to get along, the fault is to be found in some misunderstanding, some misperception, some problem of communication that can be cleared up by "talking." In Obama's case, the syndrome is compounded by unfeigned confidence in the power of his own personal charm to bridge whatever differences may separate us from those who hate us.

Thus, when it comes specifically to Iraq and its implacably hostile neighbors, he refuses even to entertain the possibility that diplomacy might fail, or to consider what steps would be necessary should that in fact happen. Nor has he deigned to credit or even to notice the strenuous diplomatic efforts undertaken over the last eight years by the allegedly trigger-happy Bush administration to negotiate with Iran, North Korea, and others. Nor, finally, has he absorbed any useful lesson from the disillusioning outcomes of these efforts--let alone other, even more emollient efforts by our European allies and the United Nations. Such willful innocence, in a President, can be lethal.

_____________

It is perfectly legitimate to argue, as Senator Obama does, that the war to liberate Iraq was ill-conceived and has cost us much more than it has been worth. It is also perfectly legitimate to argue, as Senator McCain does, that the war was eminently worth waging but that the Bush administration massively mishandled the phase following the ousting of the Baathist regime.

It is another matter entirely to argue that because the decision to go to war was wrong, we should now simply withdraw and wash our hands of Iraq in hopes of starting over. There is no starting over in world affairs. We are where we are, and the next President will have to play, one can only hope wisely, the hand he will have been dealt. But by the same token, there is also no way of establishing that, had the decision in 2002 gone the other way--that is, Obama's way--today's security situation would be better for us than it has actually turned out to be, mistakes and all. Especially now, when our prospects in Iraq have greatly improved, indulging in such exercises of revisionist history is wholly fatuous.

In this connection, though, it is also no wonder that Obama describes the war in Iraq as "the most important foreign-policy decision in a generation." His formulation neatly focuses on the moment before American and allied troops went into battle in March 2003--a moment when Obama can claim to have seen, with perfect clarity, the entire subsequent unfolding of history. But quite aside from the fact that that moment came and went five years ago, the real question has to do with his vision in the meantime concerning the most important foreign-policy issue in our generation.

Unlike his presidential rival John McCain, an early and vocal and truly consistent critic of the Bush administration's counterinsurgency strategy in Iraq, Obama, as we have seen, was opposed to doing anything about Iraq even when, like everyone else, he believed Saddam Hussein was a menace who was likely armed with weapons of mass destruction; became a supporter of the war after the fact and remained one even as things were going poorly; and morphed into an aggressive opponent again just as the prospects of an American victory began to brighten. If there is a consistency here, it would appear to be the consistency of one consistently divorced from the facts on the ground and, lately, almost hermetically sealed off from even the possibility of good news. In a politician admired for his supposed open-mindedness and his ready willingness to consider new evidence, this is, to say the least, striking.3

But perhaps a different kind of consistency is to be discerned in this maze. When Obama opposed the war in 2002, it was clearly in his political interest to do so; according to Dan Shomon, his campaign manager at the time, the key to Obama's chances in the Democratic race for the Senate nomination lay in his ability to rally the Left to his side.4 Then, in 2004, when the war was still supported by most Americans, he associated himself with the Bush occupation strategy. In 2005, as Iraq was becoming increasingly unpopular, he temporized by joining those saying we had to reduce but not withdraw our troop presence. By 2006, with the war's unpopularity deepening, he embraced a policy of full-scale withdrawal.

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Having hitched his fortunes to this last position--i.e., that the war is lost and it is time for us to leave--he is in something of a predicament, having either to deny the clear evidence of progress in Iraq or to rewrite and revise his personal history. On the latter front, indeed, he has recently gone so far as to claim that when the surge was announced, he had "no doubt" that "if we place 30,000 more troops in there, then we would see an improvement in the security situation and we would see a reduction in the violence." In fact, as we have seen, he volubly argued just the opposite.

Like the rest of the story rehearsed here, what all this suggests is that Barack Obama does not represent an authentic new "brand" in American politics; rather, he has shown himself to be an exceptionally adept political animal who can adjust to the prevailing political winds with seamless ease. As the election season progresses, it remains to be seen what tortuously defended new positions will be embraced by this consistently political politician, and what price they will exact in his reputation as a principled and courageous new voice.

Posted by: svreader | April 6, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

now svreader wants to talk issues! This is bad as Hillary Clinton telling the remaining states that no state will be overlooked. Too little, way too late for such consideration.

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Anne Kornblut -- please read between the lines of the press release before you pass it on to WP readers unfiltered. To wit, "Mark, and Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates, Inc. will continue to provide polling AND ADVICE to the campaign."

Mark Penn has not been dismissed. He merely has been slapped on the wrist. Wolfson et al. may be "coordinating" the message henceforth, but they will not be creating it. Penn will continue his role behind the curtain.

Posted by: builttaller | April 6, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Pennsylvania voters are overwhelmingly upset about the CLINTON-NAFTA developments.

Her key advisor's role in this stage of the CLINTON's NAFTA agreement, Columbia-America=NAFTA, confirms the deception in her anti-NAFTA position.

Posted by: Just_the_Facts | April 6, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Mark Penn has been emblematic of Hillary's solid GOP values: union-busting, corporate greed and neocon mercenary support. Yep, you Clintonites are working for the GOP and hardly care. Because it's all about the historymaking, isn't it. You go girl! Democratic values be damned! Morals don't matter, we're trying to make history! Go team Hillary, push that ball over the line! You're all a bunch of vapid idiots.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6219.html

Posted by: B2O2 | April 6, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

What will Obama and his supporters do when they don't have someone else's work to copy?

The real Obama is the one we see in the debates, the one who doesn't have a clue without his teleprompter.

Posted by: svreader | April 6, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

gordon calm yourself. Yes indeed, the article makes that assertion. Yet the Colombian government did not make that claim. The Colombian government said it did not know in whose capacity Penn was meeting, Clinton's or Burson-Marsteller. So what information did Anne have to "verify" it? She did not say, did she.

Do I need to give you that story or are you old enough to look it up for yourself?

Posted by: infuse | April 6, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Senator Clinton's Senate Bio --

Hillary Rodham Clinton was elected to the United States Senate by the people of New York on November 7, 2000, after years of public service on behalf of children and families. She is the first First Lady of the United States elected to public office and the first woman elected independently statewide in New York State. A strong advocate for New York, Senator Clinton works with communities throughout the state to strengthen the economy and expand opportunity. The Senator supports a return to fiscal responsibility because she knows that wise national economic policies are essential to protect America's future.

She serves on the Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions Committee; the Environment and Public Works Committee; the Special Committee on Aging; and she is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Senator Clinton worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to rebuild. She fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero. She continues to work for resources that enable New York to grow, to improve homeland security for New York and other communities, and to protect all Americans from future attacks. She has introduced legislation to provide for direct and threat-based homeland security funding to ensure that first responders and high-target communities have the resources they need.

In 2004, Senator Clinton was asked by the Department of Defense to serve as the only Senate member of the Transformation Advisory Group to the Joint Forces Command. She has visited troops in Iraq and Afghanistan; at Fort Drum in New York, home of the 10th Mountain Division; and at Walter Reed Military Hospital to learn first hand the challenges facing American combat forces. She is an original sponsor of legislation that expanded health benefits to members of the National Guard and Reserves.

In the Senate, she has continued her work for children and families by leading efforts to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Pediatric Research Equity Act; working to strengthen the Children's Health Insurance Program, which increased coverage for children in low income working families; and helping schools address environmental hazards.

Senator Clinton continues to work to increase access to health care. She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve recruitment and retention of nurses, to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs, and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism. She sponsored legislation to increase America's commitment against Global AIDS, and is now leading the fight for expanded use of information technology in the health care system to decrease administrative costs and reduce medical errors.

To encourage business expansion, Senator Clinton co-sponsored legislation enacted in 2004 to extend tax credits to communities in regions designated as Renewal Communities. She has sponsored conferences and business development tours throughout the state aimed at attracting new investment; introduced legislation to increase access to broadband technology in rural areas; and serves as chair of the advisory board for New Jobs for New York.

Senator Clinton has spoken clearly about the importance of protecting our constitutional rights, respecting such landmark Supreme Court decisions as Roe v. Wade. Her commitment to supporting Roe and working to reduce the number of abortions, by reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies, was hailed by the New York Times as "frank talk... (and) a promising path."

Strongly committed to making sure that every American has the right to vote in fair, accessible and credible elections - and that every vote must be counted, Senator Clinton introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005, to provide a verified paper ballot for every vote cast in electronic voting machines; set a uniform standard for provisional ballots, and require the Federal Election Assistance Commission to issue standards that ensure uniform access to voting machines and election personnel in every community.

Posted by: svreader | April 6, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

The Clintons could not fire Mark Penn without firing themselves.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 6, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

binkynh,
don't lose hope, the posts put up by the likes of nnia, svreader and iowatreasures and harried are actually quite entertaining to take apart.

it's just the whole philosophy of thinking that one can win by lying about how bad the other side is that's left me wondering which world they live in. obama isn't perfect and he's made some big mistakes but hillary is the one messing up her own campaign. if she's not capable of running a competent campaign after watching 2 successful presidential runs from the inside and 8 years at the White House, she does not deserve to win.

Posted by: asja | April 6, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

svreader, I have more bad news for you from nytimes.com:

"Margaret Campbell, a Montana state legislator, plans to declare her support for Senator Obama, of Illinois. She becomes the 69th superdelegate he has picked up since the Feb. 5 coast-to-coast string of primary elections and caucus votes."

In addition, Hillary has a net loss of thirty-four superdelegates since 5 February (Super Tuesday); this was the date Hillary was supposed to have the delegate count locked up and done by now.

Come out of denial and put the Clinton punch down.

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

From HillaryClinton.com --

Hillary has a bold and comprehensive plan to address America's energy and environmental challenges that will establish a green, efficient economy and create as many as five million new jobs.

Centered on a cap and trade system for carbon emissions, stronger energy and auto efficiency standards and a significant increase in green research funding, Hillary's plan will reduce America's reliance on foreign oil and address the looming climate crisis.

Setting ambitious targets, the plan would reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 80 percent from 1990 levels by 2050 to avoid the worst effects of global warming, and cut foreign oil imports by two-thirds from 2030 projected levels, more than 10 million barrels per day.

Hillary would transform our economy from carbon-based to clean and energy efficient, jumpstarting research and development through a $50 billion Strategic Energy Fund and doubling investment in basic energy research. She would also spur the green building industry by funding the retrofitting and modernization of 20 million low-income homes and take concrete steps to reduce electricity consumption, including enacting strict appliance efficiency standards and phasing out incandescent light bulbs.

Recognizing that transportation accounts for 70 percent of U.S. oil consumption, Hillary would increase fuel efficiency standards to 55 miles per gallon by 2030, but would help automakers retool their production facilities through $20 billion in "Green Vehicle Bonds."

To take the steps necessary to transition to a clean and renewable energy future, Hillary will urge all of the nation's stakeholders to contribute to the effort. Automakers will be asked to make more efficient vehicles; oil and energy companies to invest in cleaner, renewable technologies; utilities to ramp up use of renewables and modernize the grid; coal companies to implement clean coal technology; government to establish a cap and trade carbon emissions system and renew its leadership in energy efficient buildings and services; individuals to conserve energy and utilize efficient light bulbs and appliances in their homes; and industry to build energy efficient homes and buildings.

Hillary's plan to promote energy independence, address global warming, and transform our economy includes:

A new cap-and-trade program that auctions 100 percent of permits alongside investments to move us on the path towards energy independence;

An aggressive comprehensive energy efficiency agenda to reduce electricity consumption 20 percent from projected levels by 2020 by changing the way utilities do business, catalyzing a green building industry, enacting strict appliance efficiency standards, and phasing out incandescent light bulbs;

A $50 billion Strategic Energy Fund, paid for in part by oil companies, to fund investments in alternative energy. The SEF will finance one-third of the $150 billon ten-year investment in a new energy future contained in this plan;

Doubling of federal investment in basic energy research, including funding for an ARPA-E, a new research agency modeled on the successful Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency

Aggressive action to transition our economy toward renewable energy sources, with renewables generating 25 percent of electricity by 2025 and with 60 billion gallons of home-grown biofuels available for cars and trucks by 2030;

10 "Smart Grid City" partnerships to prove the advanced capabilities of smart grid and other advanced demand-reduction technologies, as well as new investment in plug-in hybrid vehicle technologies;

An increase in fuel efficiency standards to 55 miles per gallon by 2030, and $20 billion of "Green Vehicle Bonds" to help U.S. automakers retool their plants to meet the standards;

A plan to catalyze a thriving green building industry by investing in green collar jobs and helping to modernize and retrofit 20 million low-income homes to make them more energy efficient;

A new "Connie Mae" program to make it easier for low and middle-income Americans to buy green homes and invest in green home improvements;

A requirement that all publicly traded companies report financial risks due to climate change in annual reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission; and

Creation of a "National Energy Council" within the White House to ensure implementation of the plan across the Executive Branch.

A requirement that all federal buildings designed after January 20, 2009 will be zero emissions buildings.

Posted by: svreader | April 6, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Clinton supporter defecting, changing vote to Obama

Online sources are confirming clinton supporters in Pennsylvania are dismayed with all the negatives constantly coming from the Clinton campaign.

When asked for a comment on why, many said Barack Obama transcends racial distinctions, carries himself in a smooth, even manner. When Barack faces a challenge, he rises to adversity and overcomes it every time.

Posted by: Just_the_Facts | April 6, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Everbody's got a past.

No matter how "new" or "fresh" someone appears, they had to come from somewhere.

Barry Obama came from Chicago.

He did a horrible job.

People who voted for Barry Obama back in Chicago had the right to expect him to deliver on his promise to represent their interests.

He didn't.

Everyone in the 11 slums in his district that were supposed to be repaired or replaced suffered because of Obama's incompetence.

He was incompetent at doing the job of representing them as a State Senator.

He was incompetent at managing his conflict of interest between their rights and the profit motive of his largest campaign contributor.

Because of Obama's incompetence, all of them suffered and some of them died.

There's no excuse for that.

No speech he can make can wipe away their suffering or bring the ones that died back from the dead.

Whenever there's a tough or difficult situation, Barry ducks it.

That's not what leaders do.

Leaders take charge and solve problems.

Barry's a not a leader.

He's great at making excuses.

He great at reading cue cards.

He'd be a good actor.

He'd be a horrible President.

Posted by: svreader | April 6, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

meldupree, svreader is no PHD. He's just a bloated punk with way too much time on his hands.

And he's also the best thing on WAPO reader forums that's ever happened to the fine Obama campaign.

Just ignore the idiot.

Posted by: binkynh | April 6, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

He didn't quit -- he was demoted. He will continue to perform the same functions (polling and advice) that he always has -- he only relinquished his title "chief strategist." The title was a source of friction between Harold Ickes and Penn in any event -- eliminating the title serves the dual purpose of helping to bury the story before it grows into a media firestorm and helps to resolve the internecine battles within the campaign.

But the story should not be dropped by the media -- the hypocrisy was real and should be examined. It's not just Colombia, but also Countrywide Financial, Blackwater Worldwide, and Maggie Williams serving as a director for a failed subprime lender. More here: http://roadkillrefugee.wordpress.com/2008/04/07/hillarys-chief-strategist-mark-penn-demoted/

Posted by: roadkillrefugee | April 6, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Yep svreader, white Americans are really fuming over the Wright bs. That's why Obama has soared from 20 behind in all-white Pennsylvania to running even with Hillary in her handpicked demographic.

SOMEBODY'S in denial here svreader... can you guess who it might be?

Posted by: B2O2 | April 6, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

afred, you are so right.

Bill is Hillary's nemesis.

It is too late now, but what an amazing candidate we would have had had she kicked his red faced finger wagging lying but to the curb at the first humiliation.

Powerful women I know have done it.

She could have been somebody, she could have been a contender.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 6, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing in the Clinton tax returns for them to be defensive about. They paid a lot of taxes and were generous to charity. As for Penn, campaign workers come and go. The candidate remains. Senator Clinton has proven she has the savvy and composure to overcome adversity. That is one of the qualities that make her such a good candidate. I remain her devoted supporter.

Posted by: brewstercounty | April 6, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

HRC should have fired him after Iowa. Too little, too late.

Posted by: talpdx | April 6, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

What a relief for Penn. Now he can go back to advising Blackwater and other mercenary groups on how to slaughter civilians while putting a good spin on it.

I wonder what the other political operatives in this neocon operation will do when the ship goes under a few weeks from now? I would guess there are plenty of good jobs waiting at RushLimbaugh.com. They have been such good brothers in arms these past few months.

Posted by: B2O2 | April 6, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

svreader, you are ignorant and ignorance has no color or gender. For a Ph.D.-type, your analytical skill-sets are very poor; a gorilla will best you in thinking on its worst day.

Still trying to raise the dead-horse issue called Wright, huh? Sorry to tell you, that one backfired on Hillary? Did she not send you the memo?

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

UNLIKE HILLARY CLINTON, INFUSE, ANNE AND I VERIFY OUR INFORMATION. DID YOU EVEN READ THE ARTICLE ABOVE, THAT IS WHERE THE INFORMATION CAME FROM, DOHHH!!!

Penn held the meeting in his capacity as chief executive officer for the public relations giant Burson-Marsteller -- and it underscored the tricky nature of his effort to play both corporate executive and a political adviser over the last year.

Posted by: Just_the_Facts | April 6, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are in denial.

They just don't "get it"

The fact that Obama allied himself with someone who spouts anti-white, anti-semitic, and anti-American rhetoric is a "deal breaker"

Its the number #1 topic of water cooler conversation around the country.

Most "Typical White People" had no idea that stuff like this has been going on.

People are really, really, angry about it.

Obama's supporters try to spin it into being about a single sermon.

Its not.

Its about a 20 year relationship.

Its about Obama choosing Wright to be his "Spritual Advisor"

It's about Obama's lies.

Its about Obama talking out of both sides of his mouth.

Obama presented himself as a paragon of virtue and someone on a higher ethical plane than other candidates.

He's repeatedly shown through his actions that he isn't.

He's like a human chameleon.

He turns into a completely different person depending on what group of people he's with.

He's lied to us and fooled us over and over.

America doesn't trust him anymore.

He's toast.

He deserves to be.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M-kD0QdRJk

Posted by: svreader | April 6, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

nnia wrote in his/her list of "Obama lies" :

6.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

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Baraka means blessing in Swahili. Swahili is a language that developed by combining Bantu African languages with Arabic from the trade relationships that existed on the East African coast.

If I must illuminate your relative ignorance further, there are hundreds of words in English (the patriotic national language of the United States) that derive from Arabic...

safari - safari:y 'journey' - safara travel
giraffe - zara:fa
harem - h'aram 'prohibited
nadir - nadi:r as-samt 'opposite the zenith'
zenith - samt 'path'
zero - s,ifr 'empty'
mummy - mu:miya: 'embalmed body'

I can refute every one of your 50 spurious lines of garbage. Last time I looked at the Constitution, it expressly forbade religious tests for Federal office by separating church and state. It's funny how you can paint Obama as a secret Muslim and a radical Christian at the same time. You must be confused.

Now: Mark Penn worked for the Colombians since 2000/2001, when did Senator Clinton know this?

Posted by: asja | April 6, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Anne, if the Colombian government didn't know in whose capacity Mark Penn was meeting, how can you possibly know? And yet you wrote, "Penn held the meeting in his capacity as chief executive officer for the public relations giant Burson-Marsteller..."

What is your verifiable source for that?

Posted by: infuse | April 6, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

How soon before we see the articles about how the Clinton campaign is stiffing Mr. Penn? Not that he doesn't deserve it. If he were a lawyer, she could make a case for malpractice.

But he isn't. He's just a greedy pig-faced hack, and I bet he has to wait a long time to get some of the money he's "owed." Especially since the Clinton campaign isn't exactly raking money in.

Good riddance to all of these lowlifes.

Posted by: queenskid | April 6, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Kornblut notes that "the 3 a.m. ad...helped propel her to victories in the Ohio and Texas primaries." Note to Kornblut: when all the votes were counted and the delegates apportioned, it was Obama, not Clinton, who won the Texas primary.

Posted by: pleary | April 6, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Oh no!

svreader has shown up as itself!

Time to go to bed.

G'night all.

Posted by: binkynh | April 6, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Now if Hillary could lose the other loser, I will vote for her. But we choose our spouses, we were not born with them, so Hillary, why are you still with Bill. You do realize that he is sabotaging your run for president, purposely, you are just to blind to see it.

Lose that man, you can do bad by yourself, and frankly you are! I guess that same lying spirit that caused him to be disbarred as an attorney during his presidency is the same lying spirit that is working you over every day.

I hope the world sees and responds to your lies by voting you out of this race.

Posted by: afrederick | April 6, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

"nnia" is a new one on me.

Wanna bet it's svreader or iowatreasure reborn?

Must be the torrid nature, or sheer length, of nnia's posts which tipped me off.

We're way deep into the "silly season", no doubt.

Posted by: binkynh | April 6, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

CLINTON, TAX RETURN NEWS REPORT
(news: April 6th, 2008)
TODAY: The Clinton Tax Returns that were held back as long as possible before being released late Friday at the last minute after people had gone home from work for the weekend are flying under the publics radar at the moment due to the Mark Penn story.

It seems Hillary Clinton's strategy to keep the returns hidden from the public has worked so far.

Posted by: Just_the_Facts | April 6, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

bnw173, what about the stump story of the woman who died without insurance? Come to find out the poor woman had insurance after all and Hillary's staffers concede the story "was not fully vetted" prior to Hillary running with it. And you wonder how Hillary can be called a liar with a straight face? Her campaign and Hillary offer plenty of ammo to chamber the rounds and fire from the sidearm of truth.

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

In the latest WRAL News (Raleigh, NC)poll, 56 percent of likely voters said they would give Obama their support in the Democratic primary. Thirty-three percent chose Clinton, and 11 percent were unsure.

A WRAL News poll in early March showed Obama with a seven-point lead.

Saturday, April 05, 2008
Rasmussen

In North Carolina, Barack Obama has opened up a twenty-three percentage point lead over Hillary Clinton. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey finds that Obama attracts 56% of the vote while Clinton earns 33%. A month ago, Obama's lead was just seven percentage points.

And in PA: (discarding two extremes leaves)
Insider Advantage: Clinton by only 3%
Rasmussen: Clinton by only 5%

So much for Hillary making a BIG comeback! It's still moving in Obama's direction. I think he could win PA!!! And NC will be BIG for Obama.

People are just now starting to notice Clinton's lies, lies, and more lies. And nobody (except those Hillarites who like to comment here) wants another bald-faced liar for president.

Posted by: infuse | April 6, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Why does no one care about Obama and his relationship with terrorist Willam C. Ayers?

Do not know?
Do not Care?
Undecided?

Take a good look and get shocked:

http://www.obamaunveiled.com

Mmm

Posted by: nnia | April 6, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Asja --

You've got it backwards.

There are hundreds of hours of Rev. Wright blaming everything from his bad teeth to his ED on white people.

Considering the news now coming out that Obama's not even black, he's arab, its going to be interesting to see how mainstream Americans react.

But I'm just a "typical white person" so what do I know, right?

Posted by: svreader | April 6, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Hillary ain't dropping out!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6xt-uQE4ZA8

Posted by: mjno | April 6, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Lucille4, not having a happy evening, protested:
How dare the Obama camp say a word after not firing the person going to Ca. talking about NAFTA that it was only "talk"...Give me a break. Hillary CAN BE TRUSTED AND IS A LOYAL PERSON. IN YOUR FACE OBAMA!
................

Thank you, Lucille4, for providing this discussion with yet another Clinton-supporter rant, complete with the funniest part in CAPS.

Get some sleep, dear.

We all need some sleep once in a while. Sleep helps us think more clearly.

You have to admit this is good advice.

Posted by: binkynh | April 6, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

pKrishna43,
There are hundreds of hours of Rev. Wright's sermons in the public domain and they all prove that the claim that he has been preaching hate for 20 years is absolute bull.

Yes, he has been controversial, yes he has said offensive things sometimes but it is now proven beyond reasonable doubt that to claim his 90 second sermon-clips as a representative sample of his 35 years of service is a blatant lie.

You can continue to beat that dead horse. It ain't gonna wake up and run again.

Now, Penn has been working for Colombia since 2000/2001, when did Senator Clinton know this?

Posted by: asja | April 6, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

USATODAY:

I know that you are a respectable news operation. However, I am troubled by your recent article which suggests that Sen. Clinton should quit the race.

Having been in the political arena for more than 30 years, I have not seen any election which is more fascinating to Americans. Indeed there is nothing more precious than having an opportunity to voice your opinion via your constitutional right to voting.

I am stymied that many people are asking Sen. Clinton to quit the race when indeed many millions of people have not spoken. Quitting does not teach our children the importance of hard work and perseverance.

I am equally amazed that many publications have not given Sen. Obama the due diligence he deserves. In fact, most people who are prepared to vote for him know little about his accomplishments. For instance, Sen. Obama has not been forthcoming about his relationship with the disgraced Rev. Wright, Tony Rezko, or even the infamous self-proclaimed Pentagon terrorist, William C. Ayers.

Our fathers and mothers have sacrificed their lives building this great country of ours. Today, our men and women in uniform are sacrificing their lives and shattering their family's lives in order to protect the freedom we take for granted.


I respectfully request that you reconsider your position and allow the citizenry of America cast their votes to anyone they so choose. I also request that some of the information many of us have read about Sen. Obama be published so that citizens can make an informed choice about our next president regardless of who he/she may be.

take a good look at Obama's past even his wife does not know about:

http://www.obamaunveiled.com

Posted by: nnia | April 6, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Add to No Obama's lists
Obama LAUNDRY LIST OF LIES.
1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.
3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had
4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades.
5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.
8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).
9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.
10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.
11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.
13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.
16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.
17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.
18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you didn't write it,introduce it, change it, or create it.
21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.
22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.
25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.
27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.
28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.
30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.
31.) I Didn't Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.
32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didn't.
33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not.
34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.
35.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.
36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.
37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.
38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.
39.) I Don't Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.
40.) I don't Have Lobbysists - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.
41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.
42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.
43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people with other people's words.
44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.
45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - LIAR, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.
46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.
47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail - LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.
48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won't wear a flag pin and you don't put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.
49.) My Wife Didn't Mean What She Said About Pride In Country - LIAR, your wife's words follow lock-step in the vain of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.
50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn't Support - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quater of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.
51.) Treehouse Is A Small Company - LIAR, the CEO of Treehouse last year, made more than the CEO of Wal-Mart, according to public records.
52.) University Of Chicago Hospital Pay Is Fair - LIAR, your wife's pay raise was nearly 150% her already bloated rate and the hospital is a Non-Profit Hospital, which made $100,000,000 in the last 3 years. They overcharge blacks VS whites for services, and overcharge everyone in general by 538%!
53.)I Barely Know Rezko - Only 5 Billed Hours - LIAR, you have known him for 17 years, and decided to do a real estate deal with him during a time when he was proven to be under investigation. Despite this, you divided your property and had them take off $300K before the mortgage problems started. Then Rezko's wife buys the lot beside it that you can't afford, saving you $625,000.
54.) My Donations Have Been Checked Thoroughly - LIAR, you only gave back Hsu ($72K) and Rezko ($150K) their money when publically called on their involvement in your campaigns.
55.) My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church - LIAR, your church is so extreme, the pastor who married you, Rev. Wright, just got done blaming the US for 9/11 and named Louis Farrahkan their person of the year.
56.) I Disagree With My Church All The Time - LIAR, you still have yet to repudiate Wright, who married you and your wife, and you still donate large sums of money to assist the church in furthering its message - hatred and revenge. You donated in 2006 alone, $22,500 to the church that you so terribly disagree with. That is nearly $500 PER WEEK - that sure is disagreement, Senator Obama.
57.) I Have Clean Connections Despite Rezko - LIAR, you are not only connected to Exelon and Rezko, you are also connected to Hillary PAC supporter Mr. Hsu, AND an Iraqi Billionaire of ill repute, Nadhmi Auchi, who ripped off people in the Food For Oil, Iraqi deal. Seems Mr. Auchi may have helped Obama buy his million dollar property long before Obama had millions of dollars. Wonder what favors Mr. Auchi expects, when Obama leaves Iraq free to be taken over by special interests such as him.
58.) I never heard sermons like Rev. Wright's, that have been in videos all day, You Tube - LIAR! 3 days later during your Mea Culpa BS speech you said "Did I hear controversial statements while sitting in the pew yes!"


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Posted by: nnia | April 6, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

The "TIMING" of this announcement was .... REAL SLICK!

Hillary hopes that Monday's NCAA basketball championship .... and

Master's Gof tournament .... which begins Thursday...

will be enough.... to make voters ....forget about.... this.

Posted by: jamdn463 | April 6, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

At least Clinton has the guts to get rid of him rather than come up with excuses. Obama should do same with the racist Rev. Wright!

Shame on you OBama!

Posted by: nnia | April 6, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

How dare the Obama camp say a word after not firing the person going to Ca. talking about NAFTA that it was only "talk"...Give me a break. Hillary CAN BE TRUSTED AND IS A LOYAL PERSON. IN YOUR FACE OBAMA!

Posted by: Lucille4 | April 6, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

"By the same token, the Obama aide who double talked to Canadian officials about Nafta should quit. I have not heard a single apology, except for the Obama camp to cry victim as usual.
What a pathetic group of people Obama has gathered around him. I guess like attracts like. For those and many other reasons, I have absolutely no respect for Obama and he will fail should he be elected president based on an American Idol standard of electability.
What a sorry state this country is in."

Did you miss the memo? Why should they apologize when it was the Clinton camp that created this illusion and then the Canadians came out and said it was the Clinton camp. Obama's man was on a trip for the College he works for, I know it it hard to beleive, but put it all together including this lastest incident and see if you have the guts to ignore the true facts.

Hillary camp spinned this issue to cover their own asses, please these people have the the lowest!

Posted by: afrederick | April 6, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

As predicted, iowatreasures has landed-- complete, as expected, with his long-winded, snooze-fest ranting.

Where-oh-where is your pal svreader?

After all, iowatreasures, you shouldn't have to suffer reality alone.

Posted by: binkynh | April 6, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

How can you Obamanites call Hillary a liar with a straight face.

Posted by: bnw173
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Easy, watch! Liar, liar, pantsuit on fire.

See?

Posted by: suekzoo1 | April 6, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

The Obama spin doctors, or should I say those in the Obama coma, are at it again. This pales in comparison to Rev. Wright. Why don't you realize Obama is an empty suit, who will divide instead of unite this country. I find Hillary, the most intelligent, visionary and experience candidate out there. Journalists continue to tell me she is prepared to move into the White House. Obama is not. Has no experience and did not even know the name of one South American president. Sorry Obama fans, he will never beat John McCain.

Posted by: afellow1 | April 6, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Now, all we have to figure out is when Senator Clinton knew Penn was working for the Colombians. Penn must be incredibly secretive if he managed to hide it from Senator Clinton's campaign since 2000/2001. - Posted by: asja

We also should figure out when the community-activist/state legislator/US Senator Obama heard Rev. Wright's hate sermons in the church.

Obama must be incredibly disingenuous if he managed to turn a deaf ear to Rev. Wright's sermons for 20 plus years.

Posted by: pKrishna43 | April 6, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Financial incompetence
conflicts of interest
misinformation
disloyalty
self serving
reckless

The are some of the better traits and aspects exhibited by the Clinton 2008 campaign

How do you think she'll run the country she can't even run her campaign?

Posted by: Just_the_Facts | April 6, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

From the reports coming out of the campaign he was not doing so hot a job anyway. It is hard to believe that he would meet with Colombian officials to advance an agenda that his boss supposedly was in opposition to, and without her knowledge. Talk about conflict of interest.

Posted by: tydicea | April 6, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Why does Hillary Clinton lie so much?

This is an example of a post on Yahoo Answer's website.

An example of what everybody is wondering as they go about their business

Posted by: Just_the_Facts | April 6, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

it has been said during this primary season that a campaign mirrors the candidate. with Obama's campaign you have a smooth well run campaign. With Bipolar Hillary you have nice Hillary honored to be onstage with Obama and less than 48 hours later, she's "shame on you , Obama ". She lies and one day she's at one extreme and in two days at the opposite end. This is the way her campaign has been too, nice then nasty, and back again. I don't think she knows what she wants, because I don't think she knows who she is.Her campaign is Bipolar because she is Bipolar.

Posted by: majorteddy | April 6, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad that he's out.

Californicationdude - the talks with Colombia are not a problem. In fact, Colombia is an ally of the US. Great relations - we resolved to back them in that conflict that somewhat disintegrated not so long ago between them, Venezuela, and Ecuador. What Hillary and many people stand against is a free trade agreement with them or South America because it would absolutely destroy many SA economies, such as Bolivia's, and worsen relations between such near-Socialist states and ours, thus endangering ourselves and possibly bringing them closer to Venezuela.

So while I agree with you that diplomacy is incredibly important; it brought North Korea out of its nuclear deals, it's the *nature* of the talks that has people all riled up. No free trade agreements - and Hillary's damn right to oppose it after the blue-collar wave of fury about NAFTA.

Iowatreasures - you've heard about the craziness in Kenya, I presume? Either way Obama went, people would have died. You'd be saying the exact same thing if he'd supported the other group. I don't think that being from Kenya, Obama had intentions to destroy his own heritage nation; he simply picked which side he felt was best. I am not saying this as an Obama supporter; I actually prefer Hillary, but think that due to the acrid climate of this campaign with so much of the vitriol projected at her, Obama would be the best candidate.

I used to like John McCain as well, but "Bomb-ba-bomb-bomb-bomb-bomb-Iran?" "100 years in Iraq?" And the turncoat traitor's new support of waterboarding - after opposing it for all his 71 years - after being a PRISONER OF WAR - was just the last straw.


So what about Afghani opium, eh?

Posted by: Burgundy1797 | April 6, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

HOOPLEHEAD... OMG This guy is using insults from the 1800's

Posted by: Just_the_Facts | April 6, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

bnw173 wondered:
How can you Obamanites call Hillary a liar with a straight face.
...........

Did you mean Obama supporters think Hillary is a "liar with a straight face"?

I don't think that's what you meant, though I could be wrong. If not, check your grammar.

Otherwise...

It's kind of simple for me: I think she's a liar, and I have a straight face while I think so.

I'm not sure if this has helped you, but you're free to get back to me if you don't understand, and I'll do my best to put it another way for you.

Have a nice night.

Posted by: binkynh | April 6, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

n2itiveus,
the University of Chicago issued a statement pointing out that Obama was correct to use the title Professor. That's as definitive as it gets.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/28/university-of-chicago-obama-was-a-professor/

Posted by: asja | April 6, 2008 9:16 PM | Report abuse

asja -- to use their circumlocutory style -- she never didn't know.

Posted by: laboo | April 6, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

rahaha===it's not Irving Wright hooplehead, it's Jeremiah Wright you ignorant jerk.

Posted by: majorteddy | April 6, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

harried,
you can call me a jerk all you want. I'm just asking a perfectly legitimate question. changing someone's title while retaining him to do the same work (advice and polling) is disingenuous. It would even have been better for him to admit he's ended the conflicted relationship with the Colombians and will stay on.

He was one of the highest paid, if not the highest-paid member of Clinton campaign for months. Some of that money used to pay him came from small donations off the breaking backs of union members who are being undermined by his paid efforts with the Colombians.
The Colombians paid him 300,000 last year and he's been on their payroll since 2000.

When did Hillary know he was also working for the Colombians?

It's a simple question and if it makes me a jerk, I'm fine with the label. The American people deserve to know the answer to this legitimate question.

Don't start distracting us with other counter-arguments and questions on Obama. You're free to raise them separately but an answer on this specific question is required and if these Ivy League educated journalists are worth their salt, they should push Senator Clinton until she gives a straight, date-based answer.

Posted by: asja | April 6, 2008 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Yep, evidently Wolfson will be the figurehead now. With his perfect name for spearheading their carnivorous campaign.

I should say, rather than carnivorous, cannibalistic -- because the longer this farce continues, the longer the Democratic Party will only be eating its own young.

This titular change may be no more than another bit of flimflam, but the voters won't put so fine a point on it. They'll see it as evidence that this campaign is on the verge of flameout.

Couple that with the fact that her NC polls are in freefall and her PA numbers aren't far behind. A disastrous week for HRC.

Posted by: laboo | April 6, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

"How can you Obamanites call Hillary a liar with a straight face."
Posted by: bnw173 | April 6, 2008 08:54 PM
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Yougottabekiddingme! All we do is quote Hillary verbatim! With a straight face. "We landed in Bosnia . . . there was sniper fire . . . we were told to run to our cars . . . and that's how it happened." See, that was very easy!

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

CODENAME: FIBBER NOT POTUS

what an astute leader Clinton would make, her campaign architect works for the columbians,

she is successfully fed misinformation she repeatedly quotes by a low-level rural deputy sheriff.

Posted by: Just_the_Facts | April 6, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

You suppose the ship is sinking, and the RATS are running?

OsiSpeaks.com

Posted by: KYJurisDoctor | April 6, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

How can you Obamanites call Hillary a liar with a straight face.

Posted by: bnw173 | April 6, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

What a shame.

Penn was doing so well with his strategy of insulting small states, dismissing caucuses, ignoring black voters, and featuring Hillary as the establishment candidate. I'm sure his lack of input will be surely missed.

When will this circus finally pack up and leave town for good? I'm somehow supposed to believe she can manage the country when she can't even manage her campaign?
Bollocks.

Posted by: workmonkey | April 6, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's lack of ethics has widespread among her staff. The Clinton's campaign is now a nest of money and power driven liars and crooks.

Posted by: Logan6 | April 6, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

At least he got his share of the Clinton loot.

Good luck with getting the rest of money owed you by the Clintons. We all know how they are with paying bills.

Posted by: JonB1 | April 6, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

You judge people by whom they associate with. This only proves that good judgement is lacking here...I guess that Mrs Clinton will say "I MISJUDGED". Of course, this is because she stayed up too late to answer the 3 am phone call. Please hold all your calls. She needs a good long sleep.


Posted by: fchan2 | April 6, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY DEFENDS HERSELF ABOUT HOSPITAL STORY = I'M JUST A PARROT REPEATING WHAT SOME HILLBILLY COP TOLD ME, IT'S HIS FAULT

Posted by: Just_the_Facts | April 6, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

It's just too bad that Mr. Penn wasn't hired by Bush in 2000. Think of all the good he could have done for America.

Posted by: dgilbert1 | April 6, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

It's just too bad that Mr. Penn wasn't hired by Bush in 2000. Think of all the good he could have done for America.

Posted by: dgilbert1 | April 6, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

It´s Time to go for Hillary too. H. Miles, Alexandria, VA.

Posted by: quinteroantonio | April 6, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Now, all we have to figure out is when Senator Clinton knew Penn was working for the Colombians. Penn must be incredibly secretive if he managed to hide it from Senator Clinton's campaign since 2000/2001.

Posted by: asja | April 6, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

The blue bus is calling us!

Wow! The Hillary supporters haven't gone into an Obama seizure yet in this thread - foaming at the mouth, spouting all kinds of bull**** and hair splitting distortions to make him look as dishonest as Hillary. "So, she lied about sniper fire in a devastated war torn country. Obama said he was a Professor , when IN FACT he was a Senior Lecturer. AT LEAST she didnt mix up her title." :)

I don't know whats worse the fact that you don't care that she lied, or that you're trying to drag Obama into this when he had nothing to do with it.

"I don't remember anyone offering me tea on the tarmac."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2Z9o37FQI4

Posted by: n2itiveus | April 6, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Neither Hillary Clinton nor John McCain read the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) before voting in favor of the Iraq War Resolution -- thereby authorizing quite possibly the worst foreign policy blunder in this nation's history. Can this nation afford to have either one of them picking up the White House phone at 3 am?

Posted by: trace1 | April 6, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Continuing her campaign will fracture the Democratic party beyond the ability of the party to heal itself in time to win the White House.

Posted by: ricroe | April 6, 2008 08:28 PM

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I totally disagree, Ricroe - the Democratic Party is already fractured. The only way we are going to put Humpty Dumpty back together again is if the DNC Chairman Howard Dean, and the arrogant, self-serving Nancy Pelosi and Donna Brazile have their much deserved come-uppance and seat the delegates from Michigan and Florida, and quit listening to Obama's Axelrod "swiftboat crew" calling for Hillary to get out.

Obama is the most worrisome security candidate we have ever had. Obama's anti-American and radical relationships would keep any ordinary American from getting a security clearance. How he is above all that scrutiny is beyond me. He needs scrutiny more than anyone.

Sure, he has a wonderful personality, very charismatic, wonderful rhetoric, but we can't be blinded by the fact that he has had excessive radical and anti-American friendships and alliances.

And John Kerry is no saint, either. Kerry went to Chicago to get Rezko's blessing in 2004 - and there is news coming out this week about Obama and four U.S. senators stopping an investigation about Obama. I believe one of those is John Kerry.

The bloggers on the web are going nuts over some revelation that is supposed to come forth this week, and now I understand there are two different revelations.

Also, I think the way Obama conducts himself is odd - he stayed away from the MLK remembrance this week and stayed in Indiana, because I believe he does not like to share the spotlight. Endorsements are one thing, but then you never see him with those endorsers ever again.

Obama has a stand-offish manner, I have heard it say, that when he goes to work out, he never speaks to anyone. Obama is handsome, charismatic, personality plus,
but he is not what we need right now in the White House, with access to our international security information and our nuclear weapons.

Obama has a dual citizenship with Kenya and the U.S., and he did go to Kenya to campaign for his cousin, Odinga, in August 2007. After Odinga lost the election, Odinga made a pact with some group that burned down Christian Churches with people in them, and macheted people in the streets. A thousand people died in that violence after Odinga lost.

I hope Obama stays in the spotlight now that we have come to know him. He is a delightful person, on the surface, but we really don't know what is boiling underneath from all his past history of radical people. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 6, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Continuing her campaign will fracture the Democratic party beyond the ability of the party to heal itself in time to win the White House.

Posted by: ricroe | April 6, 2008 08:28 PM

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I totally disagree, Ricroe - the Democratic Party is already fractured. The only way we are going to put Humpty Dumpty back together again is if the DNC Chairman Howard Dean, and the arrogant, self-serving Nancy Pelosi and Donna Brazile have their much deserved come-uppance and seat the delegates from Michigan and Florida, and quit listening to Obama's Axelrod "swiftboat crew" calling for Hillary to get out.

Obama is the most worrisome security candidate we have ever had. Obama's anti-American and radical relationships would keep any ordinary American from getting a security clearance. How he is above all that scrutiny is beyond me. He needs scrutiny more than anyone.

Sure, he has a wonderful personality, very charismatic, wonderful rhetoric, but we can't be blinded by the fact that he has had excessive radical and anti-American friendships and alliances.

And John Kerry is no saint, either. Kerry went to Chicago to get Rezko's blessing in 2004 - and there is news coming out this week about Obama and four U.S. senators stopping an investigation about Obama. I believe one of those is John Kerry.

The bloggers on the web are going nuts over some revelation that is supposed to come forth this week, and now I understand there are two different revelations.

Also, I think the way Obama conducts himself is odd - he stayed away from the MLK remembrance this week and stayed in Indiana, because I believe he does not like to share the spotlight. Endorsements are one thing, but then you never see him with those endorsers ever again.

Obama has a stand-offish manner, I have heard it say, that when he goes to work out, he never speaks to anyone. Obama is handsome, charismatic, personality plus,
but he is not what we need right now in the White House, with access to our international security information and our nuclear weapons.

Obama has a dual citizenship with Kenya and the U.S., and he did go to Kenya to campaign for his cousin, Odinga, in August 2007. After Odinga lost the election, Odinga made a pact with some group that burned down Christian Churches with people in them, and macheted people in the streets. A thousand people died in that violence after Odinga lost.

I hope Obama stays in the spotlight now that we have come to know him. He is a delightful person, on the surface, but we really don't know what is boiling underneath from all his past history of radical people. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 6, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Continuing her campaign will fracture the Democratic party beyond the ability of the party to heal itself in time to win the White House.

Posted by: ricroe | April 6, 2008 08:28 PM

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I totally disagree, Ricroe - the Democratic Party is already fractured. The only way we are going to put Humpty Dumpty back together again is if the DNC Chairman Howard Dean, and the arrogant, self-serving Nancy Pelosi and Donna Brazile have their much deserved come-uppance and seat the delegates from Michigan and Florida, and quit listening to Obama's Axelrod "swiftboat crew" calling for Hillary to get out.

Obama is the most worrisome security candidate we have ever had. Obama's anti-American and radical relationships would keep any ordinary American from getting a security clearance. How he is above all that scrutiny is beyond me. He needs scrutiny more than anyone.

Sure, he has a wonderful personality, very charismatic, wonderful rhetoric, but we can't be blinded by the fact that he has had excessive radical and anti-American friendships and alliances.

And John Kerry is no saint, either. Kerry went to Chicago to get Rezko's blessing in 2004 - and there is news coming out this week about Obama and four U.S. senators stopping an investigation about Obama. I believe one of those is John Kerry.

The bloggers on the web are going nuts over some revelation that is supposed to come forth this week, and now I understand there are two different revelations.

Also, I think the way Obama conducts himself is odd - he stayed away from the MLK remembrance this week and stayed in Indiana, because I believe he does not like to share the spotlight. Endorsements are one thing, but then you never see him with those endorsers ever again.

Obama has a stand-offish manner, I have heard it say, that when he goes to work out, he never speaks to anyone. Obama is handsome, charismatic, personality plus,
but he is not what we need right now in the White House, with access to our international security information and our nuclear weapons.

Obama has a dual citizenship with Kenya and the U.S., and he did go to Kenya to campaign for his cousin, Odinga, in August 2007. After Odinga lost the election, Odinga made a pact with some group that burned down Christian Churches with people in them, and macheted people in the streets. A thousand people died in that violence after Odinga lost.

I hope Obama stays in the spotlight now that we have come to know him. He is a delightful person, on the surface, but we really don't know what is boiling underneath from all his past history of radical people. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 6, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Ok, the good people of Pennsylvania, wake up and realize what this woman and her team are all about. This is the same woman who said that Obama was saying one thing in private and doing something else in public with Nafta. This is why Obama lost Ohio and Texas. Let us end this in PA on the 26th. No more lies, end it now!
This guy is a lobbyist and she will tell us that she didn't know what any of this was going down. No more lies!

Posted by: debra_gw | April 6, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

After the Penn story runs its course, maybe the press will clear up Hillary's little tale about the woman in Ohio who Hillary says was without health coverage, was denied hospital treatment and, as a result, died while pregnant.

The hospital in Ohio who treated the woman denies the truth of the story, refutes Hillary's claims and demands she stop spreading falsehoods about the hospital. The story was reported in yesterday's NYT and the Daily Kos.

So in the last three weeks we have had Hillary under sniper fire in Bosnia, the woman without health insurance in Ohio, her Saturday story in Oregon that she actually spoke out against the war in Iraq before Obama, and her Chief Strategist (Mark Penn) representing a foreign government. Thankfully CBS, the New York Times, Daily Kos, ABC News and other media sources have quickly debunked Hillary's tales and also shown some light on her staff's outside employment.

I hope the Super Delegates as well as the voters of Pennsylvania, Indiana, North Carolina, Kentucky, West Virginia, Oregon, Montana and South Dakota are listening. Its time to put the lady out of her misery.

Posted by: NewEra | April 6, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

(CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton will stop telling an emotional story about a uninsured pregnant woman who died after being denied medical care, Clinton's campaign said.


Sen. Hillary Clinton was repeating a story she heard from someone on the campaign trail.

A hospital has raised questions over the accuracy of the story, and Clinton's campaign has said although they had no reason to doubt the story, they were unable to confirm the details.

......................

What sleaze bag?!!

Posted by: jellybean1 | April 6, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton Campaign must think the American public is one big bunch of fools.

Posted by: asja | April 6, 2008 08:29 PM
____________________________________

I'm sure you are not a "FOOL", ,,,, you are a "JERK"!!

Posted by: harried | April 6, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton Campaign must think the American public is one big bunch of fools.

Posted by: asja | April 6, 2008 08:29 PM
____________________________________

I'm sure you are not a "FOOL", ,,,, you are a "JERK"!!

Posted by: harried | April 6, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton Campaign must think the American public is one big bunch of fools.

Posted by: asja | April 6, 2008 08:29 PM
____________________________________

I'm sure you are not a "FOOL", ,,,, you are a "JERK"!!

Posted by: harried | April 6, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

These repeated "leavings" of staff in the Clinton campaign remind me of all the "leavings" in the Bush administration. When you get "caught", they have to let you go. Clinton's apparent poor judgement is illustrated by her failure to vet these people before hand and then to direct their activities in her behalf. The "loyalty" thing is also very much like Bush and obviously trumps competence in her opinion. It's a mistake to hire your friends, especially if you are a Clinton. Add to the constant staff turnover and failure to manage her surrogates, her failure to manage her campaign money, reulting in the need for personal loans and a trail of unpaid bills across the country. (I guess if you pulled in 109 million in the past few years, not paying the little guys who provided you with services, doesn't mean much.)Oh, yeah, and then there's the integrity/honest problem...
Clinton is not who I want to run our country. We have aleady had 8 years of "loyalty", lying and poor fiscal management. NO thanks.

Posted by: chrisbauerobrien | April 6, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

(CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton will stop telling an emotional story about a uninsured pregnant woman who died after being denied medical care, Clinton's campaign said.


Sen. Hillary Clinton was repeating a story she heard from someone on the campaign trail.

A hospital has raised questions over the accuracy of the story, and Clinton's campaign has said although they had no reason to doubt the story, they were unable to confirm the details.

......................

What sleaze bag?!!

Posted by: jellybean1 | April 6, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton Campaign must think the American public is one big bunch of fools.

Posted by: asja | April 6, 2008 08:29 PM
____________________________________

I'm sure you are not a "FOOL", ,,,, you are a "JERK"!!

Posted by: harried | April 6, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton Campaign must think the American public is one big bunch of fools.

Posted by: asja | April 6, 2008 08:29 PM
____________________________________

I'm sure you are not a "FOOL", ,,,, you are a "JERK"!!

Posted by: harried | April 6, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton Campaign must think the American public is one big bunch of fools.

Posted by: asja | April 6, 2008 08:29 PM
____________________________________

I'm sure you are not a "FOOL", ,,,, you are a "JERK"!!

Posted by: harried | April 6, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton Campaign must think the American public is one big bunch of fools.

Posted by: asja | April 6, 2008 08:29 PM
____________________________________

I'm sure you are not a "FOOL", ,,,, you are a "JERK"!!

Posted by: harried | April 6, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton Campaign must think the American public is one big bunch of fools.

Posted by: asja | April 6, 2008 08:29 PM
____________________________________

I'm sure you are not a "FOOL", ,,,, you are a "JERK"!!

Posted by: harried | April 6, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

I read a post on another thread today that made sense. They said Obama doesn't come close to qualifying for president. They say he doesn't have the judgment or problem solving abilities to be president in the way he handled the heckler. I agree. How can a supposedly intelligent presidential candidate who is supposed to have good judgment and is a problem solver let a heckler follow him around for hours without solving the problem. Looked like two little kids.
What a bonehead. Any school bus driver could solve that problem.

Posted by: bnw173 | April 6, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton Campaign must think the American public is one big bunch of fools.

Posted by: asja | April 6, 2008 08:29 PM
____________________________________

I'm sure you are not a "FOOL", ,,,, you are a "JERK"!!

Posted by: harried | April 6, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton Campaign must think the American public is one big bunch of fools.

Posted by: asja | April 6, 2008 08:29 PM
____________________________________

I'm sure you are not a "FOOL", ,,,, you are a "JERK"!!

Posted by: harried | April 6, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Ok, the good people of Pennsylvania, wake up and realize what this woman and her team are all about. This is the same woman who said that Obama was saying one thing in private and doing something else in public with Nafta. This is why Obama lost Ohio and Texas. Let us end this in PA on the 26th. No more lies, end it now!
This guy is a lobbyist and she will tell us that she didn't know what any of this was going down. No more lies!

Posted by: debra_gw | April 6, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Ok, the good people of Pennsylvania, wake up and realize what this woman and her team are all about. This is the same woman who said that Obama was saying one thing in private and doing something else in public with Nafta. This is why Obama lost Ohio and Texas. Let us end this in PA on the 26th. No more lies, end it now!
This guy is a lobbyist and she will tell us that she didn't know what any of this was going down. No more lies!

Posted by: debra_gw | April 6, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad he's gone ... now Senator Clinton can go about the business of winning the nomination!!


BAC

Posted by: BAC104 | April 6, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Now, all we have to figure out is when Senator Clinton knew Penn was working for the Colombians. Penn must be incredibly secretive if he managed to hide it from Senator Clinton's campaign since 2000/2001.

Posted by: asja | April 6, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

When is a firing not a firing?

"After the events of the last few days, Mark Penn has asked to give up his role as Chief Strategist of the Clinton Campaign; Mark, and Penn, Schoen and Berland Associates, Inc. will continue to provide polling and advice to the campaign,"

So, Clintonistas, feel comfortable in knowing that your contributed pieces of silver will still be lining Judas' pockets.

HRC, ready to lead on Day 1...or maybe Day 2 if the polls suggest it would be better...or perhaps Day 3 if it would be more convenient for the Colombians...wait, the news cycles are better on Day 4...

Posted by: kidvidkid | April 6, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

This is an article from Newsweek entitled "Peace and Bitterness:

Nancy Soderberg, a senior adviser on Ireland to Bill Clinton, said that Mrs. Clinton's involvement at the time with Ulster women's groups "really did support the peace process."

Former Northern Ireland peace broker George Mitchell told NEWSWEEK that neither Hillary nor Bill sat at the peace table, as the discussions were limited to U.K. and Irish officials, and Northern Ireland politicians.

But he reiterated Soderberg's view that Mrs. Clinton played a "helpful and supportive role" with Ulster women.

She's still winning the Irish vote today: Clinton is slated to attend the Irish-American Presidential Forum in New York this week.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | April 6, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

The idea that this "FAT WHITE MAN WHALE" is not Cillizziza's Clone is a steatch!

Posted by: harried | April 6, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST!!!

Posted by: chasmack99 | April 6, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

He has resigned but will continue doing polling and providing her campaign with advice. What does that mean exactly?

"Err, ummm, ummm, it means that when he sits down with Senator Clinton to discuss polling numbers, trends and stats, he's not allowed to discuss or suggest strategy."

The Clinton Campaign must think the American public is one big bunch of fools.

Posted by: asja | April 6, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

There is a correlation between Hillary's complete lack of effort to verify facts.

1. Iraq war: Hillary cast her vote in favor of the Iraq war without reading the National Intelligence Report on Iraq

2. Bosnia Sniper trip: Hillary failed to consult her self to check the veracity of the story. Turns out the truth was the only casualty that day.

3. Hospital Stump speech: Hillary grabbed the most hear wrenching story for her stump speeches and again shows her disdain for the truth.

Hillary has really come into her own by rebranding herself as the champion of her own version of "THE INCONVENIENT TRUTH"

The truth shall overcome

Posted by: Just_the_Facts | April 6, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST!!!

Posted by: chasmack99 | April 6, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST!!!

Posted by: chasmack99 | April 6, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

its easy to unite republicans because they are better at following orders than thinking for themselves.

Posted by: voidnullfoo | April 6, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

This is just the latest wheel to fall off the Clinton campaign wagon.

When is Clinton going to realize that the house lights are off, the audience has gone home and it is time to leave the stage?

Democrats are going to have a tough enough time to win in November as they have accomplished little of what they promised to deliver since winning the majority in Congress.

This long, drawn out primary campaign has served to create a divide that runs deep and gets deper every day within the party.

Clinton's continued candidacy exacerbates this divide and allows the Republicans and John McCain to take a strong lead running up to the November election.

Clinton needs to end her candidacy and allow the wounds of this divisive campaign to heal.

Continuing her campaign will fracture the Democratic party beyond the ability of the party to heal itself in time to win the White House.

Posted by: ricroe | April 6, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

This is just the latest wheel to fall off the Clinton campaign wagon.

When is Clinton going to realize that the house lights are off, the audience has gone home and it is time to leave the stage?

Democrats are going to have a tough enough time to win in November as they have accomplished little of what they promised to deliver since winning the majority in Congress.

This long, drawn out primary campaign has served to create a divide that runs deep and gets deper every day within the party.

Clinton's continued candidacy exacerbates this divide and allows the Republicans and John McCain to take a strong lead running up to the November election.

Clinton needs to end her candidacy and allow the wounds of this divisive campaign to heal.

Continuing her campaign will fracture the Democratic party beyond the ability of the party to heal itself in time to win the White House.

Posted by: ricroe | April 6, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

This is just the latest wheel to fall off the Clinton campaign wagon.

When is Clinton going to realize that the house lights are off, the audience has gone home and it is time to leave the stage?

Democrats are going to have a tough enough time to win in November as they have accomplished little of what they promised to deliver since winning the majority in Congress.

This long, drawn out primary campaign has served to create a divide that runs deep and gets deper every day within the party.

Clinton's continued candidacy exacerbates this divide and allows the Republicans and John McCain to take a strong lead running up to the November election.

Clinton needs to end her candidacy and allow the wounds of this divisive campaign to heal.

Continuing her campaign will fracture the Democratic party beyond the ability of the party to heal itself in time to win the White House.

Posted by: ricroe | April 6, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Mark Penn? James Carville should be calling Penn "Judas" for his double-dealing betrayal of Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I think what everyone is thinking is... "NOW???"

Posted by: fake1 | April 6, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

John McCain can provide many lessons to people. He is a legitimate hero and about as tough as they come. I think one lesson is by example.
As tough as John McCain is, an observer can see how this electoral process has chafed, bended, cajoled and constantly pressured him resulting in compromises he didn't want to make to get endorsements he publicly says he is comfortable with. Like Rev. JohnHagee for instance.
The lesson is this, if a straight talking patriot that is about a tough as they come, In my view gets bended like this, we should jump at the chance to elect someone like Obama that is relatively new blood and has seemingly managed to stay out of Big Daddy's pocket. I'm not implying McCain is in pocket or anything, I'm just providing a picture of the political pressure cooker they have to operate in. I respect McCain very much.

Posted by: Just_the_Facts | April 6, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Hillary:

Please preserve your integrity, class, energy and come home. You are our favorite next NY Governor. You need to start planning for this thing. I hear that the infamous Rudy is also eying this post.

Posted by: jesse2 | April 6, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Senator Clinton, since it appears you will be the last one leaving the building, please make sure to turn out the lights as you leave.

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

OHIO Hospital is DEMANDING an apology HillaryPosted by: BuffyTheBanana
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Undoubtrdly you haven't had to go to a Hospital lately. They will do anything to get rid of a non-payer. I have insurance., but they still hassle me to make sure they get paid. Forget my ailment until they're sure you can pay. I would believe the policeman who told the story before I would the hospital.
I had a step-grandaughter who was ill and didn't have insurance. They didn't refuse her, but they put off treating her until she just left. She found a Doctor who would treat her. Luckily she got ok.

Posted by: bnw173 | April 6, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Senator Clinton, since it appears you will be the last one leaving the building, please make sure to turn out the lights as you leave.

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Crucial but critical-is it "Go" signal or the old saying; "It is not over... unless it is over". Good luck!

Posted by: Golam | April 6, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Penn is the poster child for what is wrong with Hillary and her entire campaign. He is an overpaid top gun who sells his 'talent' and connections to the highest bidder. The decent little people who gave hard-earned $ to her campaign should be outraged that their money has gone to enrich the likes of Penn by at least $5 Million. This is robbing from the poor and giving to the rich.

Posted by: blackie666 | April 6, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

"He's leaving to spend more time with his money."
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"No, he's leaving to spend more time with Hillary's money."

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No, he's leaving to spend more time with money donated TO Hillary. Talk about placing the wrong bet...

Posted by: jillgoodsell | April 6, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

This is great news for Hillary. Penn was an albatross on the campaign. His failure to recognize the importance of competing in caucus states is the reason why Obama has a delegate lead. Penn was also a lightning rod for the blogger community and the liberal establishment who were looking for a reason to say that Hillary represented the status quo when Obama was having a lot of trouble distinguishing himself on the issues. His departure means Hillary will have a better chance to win in PA and in the May contests.

Posted by: khyber900 | April 6, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS SATIRE

Heavyweight Bout underway

Hillary Rodham Clinton vs The Truth

background:
up and comer Clinton has suddenly found herself in danger of being an afterthought. After moving up the ranks in what many insiders have deemed an absolutely incredible feat of consistently always keeping the truth at arm's length. Now with a short arm reach and an impressively documented memory that incorporates her Vague-on-demand patent-pending technology she now finds herself locked in a Battle Royal with the Truth.
the Truth needs no introduction, but let it be said now that against HRC it is being cast as the David for her Goliath by all Oddsmakers in Las Vegas.
This just in, the Truth has landed another frightening left hook after yesterdays shocking display of consistent sucker punches, groin shots, etc
To be continued...
THIS IS SATIRE

Posted by: Just_the_Facts | April 6, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Who's the bigger or biggest fink, Hillary or Penn? Could they be equal?

Posted by: filoporquequilo | April 6, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

One never really knows the dynamics behind closed doors that cause such a disjointed organization. The Clinton's were always known for the disciplined approach and professional organization they had in their political campaigns. This campaign has been, at times, anything but disciplined. From Bill going off message and freelancing along with other public faux pas it seems the campaign can't keep the train on the tracks. It is only the immense loyalty, her noterity, and the suspicion that Obama may have true weaknesses that has allowed Hillary Clinton to continue her campaign. But it seems this campaign is like the character Lee Marvin won an Oscar for in Cat Ballou. The character of Kid Shaleen, mythical legendary gunfighter who when sober is a stone cold killer but when drunk, as he often was, couldn't hit the side of a barn with a shot from 10 feet away. The is what the campaign has been and my theory is that these people never envisioned or imagined, in their wildest dreams, that she would ever be behind in this primary season. I think they were rattled and the more people tried to figure it out, as in quicksand, they kept sinking deeper. Pennsylvania may offer the campaign what looks like a way forward but the odds are still stacked against her in the long run.

Posted by: schuchat | April 6, 2008 8:07 PM | Report abuse

"As a Hillary supporter, this is a great news. Mark Penn has made a couple of serious blunders. Given the Democratic proportional allocation of delegates, he should have paid more attention to small red states. The fact that Obama netted more delegates in Idaho than Hillary got in her victory in Ohio speaks volume about his failed strategy. Mark Penn should have done more to attract African American votes as well. The campaign didn't have a clear strategy on black votes. That cost Hillary almost between 30 to 40% of the Democratic primaries votes.

I wish he were fired after super Tuesday but Hillary has done remarkably well thus far despite Penn's incompetence. Hillary's campaign will be full of steam from this point on."

Posted by: jsindc | April 6, 2008 07:24 PM
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Let's do some quick and dirty analysis here. You are correct when you note Penn did not attend to the small-fry states to make up the ground Hillary lost. Why should he, since Penn pronounced Hillary "the inevitable candidate"? Obama, on the other hand focuses on all the states and the proportional allocation of delegates has helped his cause (especially in the places where he blew Senator Clinton out by 30%+).

African-American votes? I am afraid Hill/Bill race-baiting, code language and Rovian tactics by the Clintons and their surrogates did them more harm than Penn could have ever done (short of donning Klan-wear with burning cross in tow). Particularly in South Carolina, that was all Wild Bill's doing. The Clintons have yet to recover and I suspect they will not at this point. On the other hand, Obama has reached out to everyone, White, Black, Yellow, Red, Brown, and everything in between.

Finally, the management of the respective campaigns speak for themselves. Hillary has mismanaged her campaign; Obama runs a near-flawless campaign.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse


Can anyone take a moment to answer some questions that I have about Hillary Clinton? You may look at it as a chance to convince people to vote for her

1. Lied since at least December about her Bosnia trip.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/25/politics/main3967223.shtml?source=mostpop_story
2. Architect of her campaign had met with the Colombian ambassador to the United States earlier in the week in his role as Burston Marsteller's chief to discuss the pending U.S.-Colombia trade pact, which Clinton has criticized on the campaign trail.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/06/clinton.campaign/index.html
3. Campaigns on platform of sound judgement yet frequently told a confirmed fictional story at her stump speeches to scare people into voting her way. "It draws gasps from people when told"
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4597361&page=1

Posted by: Just_the_Facts | April 6, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Now when will Obama fire his economic adviser, who met with Canadian consulate and relayed the message that the NAFTA talk on campaign were all BS? It's been a month and it looks like he is still on Obama's team. Of course Obama won't fire him. The guy was just a secret spoke person discussing Obama's real trade policy.

Posted by: jsindc | April 6, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Mark Penn

You humilited your candidate more than words can tell. What were you thinking when Hillary intoned how we should imagine what would happen if the names were reversed?

Funny thing is the Canadians said no such conversation occurred with the low level Obama affiliate. The Columbians on the other hand...they are going to sue the Clintons' Chief Strategist. Nice. I am glad it happened to the people who deserve it.

Posted by: shrink2 | April 6, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

How many more of Billary dirty secrets are going to come out.

Posted by: tynerlisa | April 6, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

I HAVE A QUESTION: what does it say about Hillary, that she would have as her chief campaign advisor, someone who is a consultant to, and promoter of, the government of Columbia, drug capital of the world ??

I say that it's one more demonstration of bad judgement on her part, or possibly worse.

Posted by: MarthaP1 | April 6, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

A political campaign is like a house. If you build it on a weak foundation, the whole structure will eventually become compromised. It's only a matter of time.

Posted by: oneworld67352 | April 6, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

If Bill is once again returned to the "White" House as executive member, will he once again have interns on his executive staff?

Posted by: rahaha |
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Probably be worth it considering the other prospects. Surplus, peace, 26,000,000 new jobs, low poverty, welfare reform, etc. etc.,etc.... Sounds good yo me.

Posted by: bnw173 | April 6, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

I have a question: what does it say about Hillary, that she would have as her chief advisor, someone who is a consultant to the Columbian government?? That, in and of itself shows a MAJOR lack of judgement to me, and possibly worse.

Posted by: MarthaP1 | April 6, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Hillary - GET OUT!!

We're tired of your lies with the latest being the Ohio Hospital fiasco in which you chose the low road and told one lie after another.

OHIO Hospital is DEMANDING an apology Hillary

Hillary - OHIO Hospital is demanding you stop lying about them and to tell the truth.

Hillary your latest LIE is all over the internet and being talked about on CSPAN as well

Hillary - A P O L O G I Z E

Posted by: BuffyTheBanana | April 6, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mjno | April 6, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY: now it's your turn. PLEASE, go away !!!

Posted by: MarthaP1 | April 6, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Howard Wolfson, the most slimey pathetic loser on her campaign is now in charge. That should really help change things. Not.

Posted by: zbob99 | April 6, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

"Good night Hillary! Good night Mark! Good night Bubba!"

Posted by: LarkinGMead | April 6, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse


NEWSFLASH - Presidential nominee hopeful Hillary Clinton has just announced that she has hired Bozo the Clown to be her new campaign manager. Hillary, who has gone through more campaign managers this year than Elizabeth Taylor went through husbands, thinks that Bozo the Clown will be *THE ONE*.

When asked to comment, Hillary said, "Why, the relationship I have developed with Bozo is simply amazing. I see eye to eye with him... if I'm on a stool of course! ha! ha! ha! And that big red nose of his is just like Bill's big red nose. And Bozo has great ideas too. For example, we are going to have Romanian tightrope walkers at our next town hall meeting. Isn't that exciting? And if the weather holds up, we will have lions and tigers and bears too! This is what being a president is all about. I am full of ideas like this. And some say that the only presidential duties I did at the white house was decorate the Christmas tree. HAH! What these people don't realize, is that I also used to pick the flowers for the Sunday night dinner table! And now, we're going to have funny little monkeys wearing costumes... I'm just so excited about the future of our country!"

Posted by: presGWBfanclub | April 6, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Penn is only the tip of the iceberg. Wolfson, Ickes and Lanny need to go too! Then to really clean house, they need get rid of Bill and Hillary!

It's all over but the crying, for real this time.

Posted by: zbob99 | April 6, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

"He's leaving to spend more time with his money."
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No, he's leaving to spend more time with Hillary's money.

Posted by: mnero | April 6, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Penn should have been removed months ago. This is yet another example of Hillary's incompetence, poor judgement and inability to lead. Heaven help us if she somehow makes it to the WH.


Posted by: zbob99 | April 6, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

This is the second dismissal in as many days for Herr Penn; must be getting a complex over such rejection.

As for loyalty, the Clintons have failed the reciprocity litmus tests many a time, so I figure such a comeuppance has finally come (just as Lani Gunier, Jocelyn Elders, MD, Webster Hubbell, etc). The chickens are coming home to roost, indeed.

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

So PA when are you going to put aside your fear of change and vote for the future. If not for you...then your children. Time and time again, Clinton has demonstrated she's not ready to lead this country. Just think about one thing: How has she managed the single most important thing in her life...her campaign tobe President of the United States of America. From the mismanagement of funds (excessive spending and not paying bills), poor judgement in advisers (Penn), her misspeak on subjects (Bosnia, who spoke out against the war first, and the young lady dying), to saying two different things on important issues that effect our everyday lives (the vote to go to war without reading the proposed bill or I voted for the bankrupcy law but hope it would fail). Now just stop and ask yourself, is this how she will run the country? If you don't think it's representative, then by all means vote for her 22 Apr. But if you say "I'm not sure"...then you need to consider now may be the time for change. Rememebr she said this was a job interview...and knowing what you know now...would you hire her? If so, then that's fine, but if not, let's move on and vote for change.

Posted by: gfields1911 | April 6, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Oh snap...goodnight Hillary.

Posted by: thecrisis | April 6, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Thank God is he gone. GOOD RIDDANCE!

Posted by: PittAlum | April 6, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

WITH APPOLOGIES TO JIM MORRISON:

This is the end
Beautiful friend
This is the end
My only friend, the end

Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end

It hurts to set you free
But youll never follow me
The end of laughter and soft lies
The end of nights we tried to die

This is the end, MARK PENN

Posted by: alonolyman | April 6, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

pflegel wrote:
Where are the bottom feeders like svreader who go on ad nauseum about Obama? I love on how a story of Clinton, the Clintonistas like rahaha go off on Obama...more triangulation....learned from the best....
................

svreader, iowatreasures and the rest of the screeching, self-appointed, Clinton operatives will be landing at their keyboards very soon, no doubt.

In the meantime, let's all enjoy the incoherent, pre-show blathering af Umbria, DaTourist and rahaha.

Posted by: binkynh | April 6, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

sorry for the test post. all yesterday this site didn't accept any of my posts.
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Good riddance, Penn should have been ditched long ago; he wounded Hillary's campaign more than a sword in the back.

If he couldn't recognize the conflict of interest this tete-a-tete with the Colombian government presented, he is man singularly devoid of judgment.

Candidates sometimes show too much loyalty to their staff. Too bad sometimes it is not reciprocated equally. A campaign is not a purely individual effort on part of the candidate. A lot of people feel invested in the campaign they support. A Penn who couldn't appreciate and conduct himself in a manner above reproach has no place in any future democratic camapign. Perhaps he would go join in the other fellow-traveller, Dick Morris.

Posted by: pKrishna43 | April 6, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

"Thank you Lord Jesus! This is the smartest move Hillary has made in weeks. Mark Penn was a drag on this campaign! On to victory!"

Hillary '08

Posted by: brigittepj | April 6, 2008 07:19 PM
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brigittepj, a bit of bad news (reality) for you: Hillary had two albatrosses around her neck. She finally got one off; she's married to the other.

OBAMA '08!

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's running for President was an "error in judgement". Just look at where, when and what her charitable contributions went.

Most of Clintons' Charitable Donations Went to Family Foundation
Only half of which went to charities until last year when 3 million was moved out. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. I can't imagine why?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/05/AR2008040502148.html

Posted by: AverageJane | April 6, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Oh I spoke too soon about the bottom feeders and their Obama-fetish...Umbria is here....I love the opening...now we can focus on Obama's lies...umm..perhaps you haven't heard about Clinton's little issue with Bosnia and now the Ohio women...who is lying now? Certainly isn't Obama...

Posted by: pflegel | April 6, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

News flash from the Lifeboats: The Titanic is changing captains!

Posted by: suekzoo1 | April 6, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

This doesn't answer the questions: 1) Did the Colombians think that Penn was speaking for Hillary? 2) Did Penn think he was speaking for Hillary? 3) Did Hillary think that Penn was speaking for Hillary?

Posted by: SueB2 | April 6, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton Campaign theme song, courtesy of Queen: Another one bites the dust! Another one bites the dust! And another one down, another one gone, another one gone, another one bites the dust! Hey, it gonna get you, too; another bites the dust! (Guitar rips).

Could not happen to a nicer guy or a finer campaign. Yes, there's a bit of schadenfreude on my part for this campaign. One more reason not to vote for Hillary.

Posted by: meldupree | April 6, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

And this elevates Wolfson. Or is that Wolfowitz? The end is near.

Posted by: zerwas | April 6, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

test

Posted by: pKrishna43 | April 6, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

In Oregon, Clinton Makes False Claim About Her Iraq Record Vs. Obama's
April 06, 2008 9:49 AM

In Eugene, Ore., Saturday. Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., attempted to change the measure by which anyone might assess who criticized the Iraq war first, her or Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., by saying those keeping records should start in January 2005, when Obama joined the Senate. (A measure that conveniently avoids her October 2002 vote to authorize use of force against Iraq at a time that Obama was speaking out against the war.) She claimed that using that measure, she criticized the war in Iraq before Obama did.

But Clinton's claim was false.

Clinton on Saturday told Oregonians, "when Sen. Obama came to the Senate he and I have voted exactly the same except for one vote. And that happens to be the facts. We both voted against early deadlines. I actually starting criticizing the war in Iraq before he did."

It's an odd way to measure opposition to the war -- comparing who gave the first criticism of the war in Iraq starting in January 2005, ignoring Obama's opposition to the war throughout 2003 and 2004. (And Clinton's vote for it.)

But even if one were to employ this "Start Counting in January 2005" measurement, Clinton did not criticize the war in Iraq first.

Scrambling to support their boss's claim, Clinton campaign officials pointed to a paper statement Clinton issued on Jan. 26, 2005, explaining her vote to confirm Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of State.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/in-oregon-clint.html

Posted by: gandalfthegrey | April 6, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Can hardly wait to see the next set of PA polls....LOL...

http://www.unitehere.org/presscenter/release.php?ID=3454

Posted by: suekzoo1 | April 6, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Where are the bottom feeders like svreader who go on ad nauseum about Obama? I love on how a story of Clinton, the Clintonistas like rahaha go off on Obama...more triangulation....learned from the best....

Posted by: pflegel | April 6, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary Clinton cannot manage her own campaign (and there is now mounting evidence that her staff is in chaos and laughably disorganized) why should we believe she that will be a competent Chief Executive of the United States Government?

Posted by: FilmMD | April 6, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Good, now we can focus on Obama's lies:

Obama said he was for a single payer health system, but now opposes plans that cover every American.

He promised to repeal the Patriot Act, but then voted to extend it.

He promised to normalize relations with Cuba, but flip-flopped when he started running for president.

He rails against NAFTA in Ohio while his top economic advisor assures the Canadians his rhetoric is just "political positioning."

He promises to opt in to public financing if the GOP nominee does, but then breaks that pledge in real time.

He promises to withdraw from Iraq within 16 months, and now his top foreign policy adviser says that he's not relying on the plan.

At first he knew of no controversial remarks from his pastor. Then he knew it. Then he knew some but not others.

At first the "union" that brought him into this world was caused by the bridge crossing/civil rights movement in Selma which, by the way, actually happened 5 years afterwards. Long after he was born.

He flattered Kennedys by crediting them for funding his father's arrival to US when the Kennedys had nothing to do with it.

Don't even get me going over the questionnaires he has filled indicating positions he has completely contradicted during this campaign cycle.

List keeps on growing.

Posted by: Umbria | April 6, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's a loyalist all right!

Ask Vince Foster!

Ask Geraldine Ferraro!

Ask Mark Penn!

Posted by: DaTourist | April 6, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it interesting that now that Penn is gone (There is a God!) that the most senior person in the Clinton campaign is Icks...or is Ickes...isn't funny how the name suits?

Posted by: pflegel | April 6, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

As a Hillary supporter, this is a great news. Mark Penn has made a couple of serious blunders. Given the Democratic proportional allocation of delegates, he should have paid more attention to small red states. The fact that Obama netted more delegates in Idaho than Hillary got in her victory in Ohio speaks volume about his failed strategy. Mark Penn should have done more to attract African American votes as well. The campaign didn't have a clear strategy on black votes. That cost Hillary almost between 30 to 40% of the Democratic primaries votes.

I wish he were fired after super Tuesday but Hillary has done remarkably well thus far despite Penn's incompetence. Hillary's campaign will be full of steam from this point on.

Posted by: jsindc | April 6, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Mark Penn is a dirty rat. Lobbyist Defender for predatory lenders, Blackwater, and bad trade deals... responsible for the arrogant, dirty tricks we saw pre-Iowa. Mark Penn was hired by Hillary as Dick Morris's henchman in 1996. One of the few decisions she had power over back then, and what a poor decision it was.

The fact that she ever went near this filthy human being just shows that she isn't fit to appoint people to her presidential cabinet or the Supreme Court.

Posted by: scharb | April 6, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Is this something she can recover from?

Her top strategist was playing both sides of the fence on the backs of white blue collar workers she claims as her base.

Given her $109 million dollars in earnings, her husbands support of NAFTA and now her connection with Penn just what do white blue collar workers see in her?

Will the color line finally break in favor of economic realities?

Posted by: AngryLiberal | April 6, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

alee21: Focus now. We're talking about Hillary and Penn...not Obama. You're actually going to try to dredge something up from months ago, that's already been debunked, to "deflect" attention to this developing story? Nice try. Won't work.

Posted by: michael4 | April 6, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

There must be other Free Trade Democrats out there besides Mark Penn.

In a democracy, aint it wonderful that McCain's an alternative to Marxist economists that call Hillary's and Obama's tune?

Yes, even Rust-Belt Democrats understand that unions priced American labor out of their jobs, and those jobs are not coming back, no matter what Obama and Hillary promise the gullible.

Posted by: DaTourist | April 6, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

WTF? are we not supposed to talk to other countries in the western hemisphere?

we already have sent billions and billions of dollars to Colombia alone, why not talk to them?

we seem to think we can ignore other governments or dictate conditions to them or tolerate dictatorships without risk.

our foreign policies in our own hemishpere are a f'ing joke.

it is time to engage all of the countries in the western hemishpere in talks.

and quite running things like it is some kind of mom/pop store.

jesus christ.

Posted by: californicationdude | April 6, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Lord Jesus! This is the smartest move Hillary has made in weeks. Mark Penn was a drag on this campaign! On to victory!

Hillary '08

Posted by: brigittepj | April 6, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

He's leaving to spend more time with his money.

Posted by: rhinsker | April 6, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Dear Clinton, turn off the lights ... It's over.

Posted by: cnicado | April 6, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

As for Columbia, please define the term "this" as in "considers THIS a lack of respect to Colombians"... Sitting down? Saying it was an error in judgement? Resigning?

Posted by: michael4 | April 6, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Mark Penn ... Pizza is gonna send out for you.

Why are we doing this again?

Posted by: pressF1 | April 6, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

See Hillary unite her campaign!

See Obama unite the Hillarycrats!

See Howard Dean screeeeeeeeaaaammmmmmmmmmm! Eeeeeeyowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! We are sooooo yewwww-niiiiiiiittted!

Posted by: DaTourist | April 6, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Bye bye Mark Penn. It was "inevitable" that you'd be leaving the Clinton campaign. Now you can work on that Columbian trade deal full time. Better hurry up and get it passed before Obama takes the White House.

Posted by: Arny | April 6, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Ickes at one point said Hillary is better than her campaign. One of Hillary's faults (or strengths depending on how you look at it) is that she values loyalty and tends to stick to people who have been helpful to her and her family, sometimes to her detriment. By the same token, the Obama aide who double talked to Canadian officials about Nafta should quit. I have not heard a single apology, except for the Obama camp to cry victim as usual.
What a pathetic group of people Obama has gathered around him. I guess like attracts like. For those and many other reasons, I have absolutely no respect for Obama and he will fail should he be elected president based on an American Idol standard of electability.
What a sorry state this country is in.

Posted by: alee21 | April 6, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

rahaha: not only are you an idiot, you're a liar.

Posted by: michael4 | April 6, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Wow!

The Democrats will unite us! See how united the Democrats are?

Posted by: DaTourist | April 6, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

I imagine Mr. Penn finds some relief in having dived off of the sinking ship Clinton.

Posted by: binkynh | April 6, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

A quick review--Obama surges in national poll--Pennsylvania tightens--Obama raises more dough---Penn is owed tons of $$ by the campaign--Hmmm!! now she's got some money for PA media time. The Titanic is on its way down

Posted by: JJJacobs | April 6, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Penn was the least of Hillary's problems, somehow I doubt it will make a difference. This should be an interesting News week.

Posted by: LAGCII | April 6, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Copyright Reverend Irving Wright with twenty years of Amens from Barry Obama

While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us repudiate a land that's so called free,
Let us all be hateful for a land that's so called fair,
As we raise our voices in a solemn prayer.

God Da-mn America,
Land that I loathe.
Stand astride her, yet despise her
With a chip on a shoulder from above.
From the plantations, up to Harvard
To the Jews rich from our blood
God Da-am America, keepin' us down down down.

Posted by: rahaha | April 6, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

As a Hillary supporter...all I can say is GOOD! What a bone head and self-centered move going to Columbia.

Posted by: badger3 | April 6, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

If Bill is once again returned to the "White" House as executive member, will he once again have interns on his executive staff?

Posted by: rahaha | April 6, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

The penn-ultimate step; now it is time for Hillary to go, too.

Posted by: Martinedwinandersen | April 6, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

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