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Rev. Wright: 'Different Does Not Mean Deficient'

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By Shailagh Murray and Scott Butterworth
Sen. Barack Obama's former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, concluded a weekend back in the media spotlight Sunday evening with a nationally televised address to the NAACP's Detroit branch that was at turns defiant and inviting.

"I'm sorry your local political analysts are saying that I'm polarizing and my sermons are divisive," Wright said, according to excerpts published by the Detroit Free Press. "I'm not here to address an analyst's opinion. I stand here as one representative of African American church tradition, believing that a change is going to come."

That harked back to the theme of the chapter's Freedom Fund dinner, "A Change Is Going to Come," which drew 11,000 people to what is annually one of the best-attended fundraisers in the country.

In the 53 years since the first Freedom Fund dinner, Wright said, Americans should have come to understand that, particularly in matters of race, "different does not mean deficient." The remark was a clear allusion to the public excoriation Wright has received from conservative commentators, but the minister notably steered clear of politics, and especially the current presidential race, in his text.

"I'm not here for political reasons. I'm not a politician. Many of corporate-owned media have made it seem that I'm running for the Oval Office. I've been running for Jesus for a long, long time," he said.

Wright's appearance came hours after he preached two sermons to a megachurch in South Dallas and two days after he appeared on PBS to discuss his friendship with Obama and the controversy surrounding some of his remarks from the pulpit of his former church.

On Monday, the longtime leader of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ will speak in Washington at a National Press Club breakfast, an event that sold out days ago.

A well-known African American preacher, Wright became a flashpoint in the presidential campaign when snippets of several sermons circulated via the Internet and then on national television. They showed him railing against the government for a multitude of injustices and asserting after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that "America's chickens are coming home to roost." Obama denounced the remarks, but the public backlash was so fierce that he was compelled to deliver a high-stakes speech in Philadelphia last month that explored the origins of Wright's anger in the context of the country's stormy history on race.

Amid the minister's return to the public eye, questions continued to swirl Sunday about whether Wright would have any lingering effect on Obama's campaign.

Obama himself was asked again about Wright in a "Fox News Sunday" interview broadcast Sunday morning. Although the senator from Illinois said Wright had been "caricatured ... in a fairly deliberate way," he noted, "People were legitimately offended by some of the comments that he made in the past," and added "the fact that he is my former pastor ... makes it a legitimate issue" in the presidential campaign.

Sen. John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, took that as an invitation of sorts. "Senator Obama himself says it's a legitimate political issue, so I would imagine that many other people will share that view and it will be in the arena," he told reporters Sunday afternoon. "But my position that Senator Obama doesn't share those views remains the same."

He added, according to ABC News, "I saw yesterday some additional comments that have been revealed by Pastor Wright, one of them comparing the United States Marine Corps with Roman Legionnaires who were responsible for the death of our Savior, I mean being involved in that. It's beyond belief."

That brought a sharp response from the Obama campaign, bristling that McCain may be backtracking on earlier comments that he would not seek to exploit the Wright issue. "By sinking to a level he specifically said he'd avoid, John McCain has broken his word to the American people," said Obama spokesman Hari Sevugan.

Wright referred to the political controversy in only one of his two Dallas sermons. In what he called "his public crucifixion," he listed several instances in which supporters have turned their backs on him in recent weeks, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported. But he urged parishioners at Friendship-West Baptist Church to "stand up" and "stop wallowing in misery." He used a story from the book of John to scorn people who aren't willing to stand up for themselves, whom he described as living on the corner of "Woe Is Me" and "It's Their Fault."

In Detroit, Wright returned to the theme of change again and again, asserting, "A change is coming because we no longer see others as being deficient." He pointed to the differences between black and white marching bands. "One is not abnormal and one normal -- it's just different," he said -- just as black and white church traditions are different.

"I come from a tradition, where we give God the glory, and we give the devil the blues," Wright said, according to the Free Press.

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"Shaniqua Obama is scary. I hope she doesn't have watermellon dinners in the White House or put curb feelers and rims on the Presidential limos."

Posted by: Nadeem Zacharia | April 27, 2008 11:40 PM
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Nadeem...hmmm. What kind of name is that? Sounds to me like you could be some kind of TERRORIST or something.
Hey Nadeem, if Obama is elected President will promise that you and anyone like you will leave the country so we can save it for the pople who are actually living in the PRESENT? And sane?
YOU are a disgrace to the Untied States of America!

Posted by: sheridan1 | April 28, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Will this help?,

I agree with your priorities. I wholeheartedly support Barack Obama because of his stances on the very issues that you cited -- lowering gas prices, or helping to pay for college, or doing anything to boost the economy. I would also have to say that Obama's pledge to end the war in Iraq also greatly influenced my decision.

I do think that discussing wedge issues with people who do not share my views is important. At some point, we are going to have to deal with some of these issues.

They do pale in importance when compared to the current crisis we find ourselves in. I truly think that the American people are smarter than the media would have us to believe. I know that we are all fearful of allowing the media to swiftboat another good candidate. At some point, we'll have to force the media and our candidates to engage in a forthright conversation about what needs to change in our culture. In this setting, sincerity is truth.

This is the reason I hope they play Wright everyday.

Obama/Sebelius 2008!!!

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Will al these distractions help solve any problems? No. We are spending time trying to attack Obama or Rev. Wright. And the fact is that none of this is lowering gas prices, or helping to pay for college, or doing anything to boost the economy.

Can't we move on?

IF you don't like Obama, then don't voite for him.

IF you don't like Hillary, then don't vote for her.

IF you don't like McCain, then don't vote for him.

All this back and forth about nothing is silly.

So what, Rev. Wright has rubbed some people the wrong way. AND. Plenty of people rub me the wrong way.

This bickering is what works for the media and by allowing them to paint the picture for us, we are suspending our own analysis.

People have the right to say what they want to say and they don't have to censure themselves for the rest of our sakes.

Thank God for freedom of speech!!!

Posted by: Will this help? | April 28, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Billw,

I completely agree with what you said. Farrakhan is a gutter dweller in my opinion. I still support Wright and his cause. It's kind of like looking at the 1964 picture of Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X standing together. I personally agreed with Martin Luther King Jr. and I disagreed with Malcolm X on a number of issues. I did understand why Martin Luther King Jr. engaged Malcolm X in the civil rights movement. In this case, I support Wright. I don't belong to the Church of Christ. I'm a Southern Baptist. But I imagine that the Church of Christ stands behind Wright as well.

We all have to decide with whom we'll stand and consider how history will judge us. Do I stand with the gays? I'm not gay. I don't support many gay rights issues, but I will gladly fight with them to get equal protection under the law and the same amenities as married couples. It doesn't mean that I'm going to condone gay marriage in my church or the right of gays to preach the Gospel of Christ. The federal government doesn't control my church and it never will. I support gays rights to serve in the military as long as they follow the code of conduct that all military personnel follow.

That whole business of categorically denouncing something or someone for any comment or action the person made is kind of bogus to me. In Farrakhan's case, his actions have risen to the level that I would categorically denounce everything that he stands for. It's kinda like keeping Pete Rose out of the Hall of Fame or making sure that no one ever glorifies Hitler by saying he cared about something or other. In my opinion these people stand for definitions. Pete Rose is the definition of a cheater. Farrakhan is the definition of a racist. Hitler is the definition of a supremist. Not everyone rises to this level. In my view, Wright does not rise to this level.

http://www.mcmahanphoto.com/lc610--martinlutherkingjrmalcolmx1964photo.html

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse


To Shannon,Dallas,Texas (regarding Farrakhan)

You are saying Farrakhen has a good side. Sure he does, but to all appearances that good side is shown VERY heavly if not totally toward blacks. Clearly he is an outspoken racist and his contribution to overall society is negative. I believe what his supporters miss is this:
One can attain a position of "leadership" and help whatever race without his type of behavior. But his hate of white people overrides decent behavior.

Posted by: Billw | April 28, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

African Americans have gotten over slavery....America hasn't gotten over slavery.....we have loveed this country when it didn't love us.....when the slaves were freed the murder rate did not rise because there is no anamosity of slavery the porblem come from the hundred years of mistreatment between the end of slavery and the 1960's civil rights movement.....so get over it people......blacks have been here as long as the majority of whites and the treatment has been alot less tolerable.....most whites think that blacks are angry about slavery .....but most of us understand that is part of our history......the problem between blacks and whites is that both sides are guilty of discrediting one another......blacks also understand that their free labor during slavery gave this country a jump-start that contributed significantly to the financial stability that this nation started with......alot of whites don't understand or fail to acknowledge.....when you are not given much and you have to survive as a part of a man but not the whole ....you cling to truth and you look for a scapegoat......so as a black man I would say our situation is partly our fault and partly our environments fault......but truely people black white green red and blue.....we need to try and understand each other....everything that hurts doesn't equal pain...some of it is conditioning...conditioning for tolerance of others.....you don't care for the way you were treated so you treat others so they don't feel how you felt......lastly...America I challenge you to find someone different and engage them in a friendly hello or something that brightens their day

Posted by: Think white | April 28, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Billyw,

I don't think it made much sense. I wouldn't have given him an award. I hate Farrahkan for his anti-semitic remarks. But awarding him with an achievement award does not signal Wright's acceptance of his anti-semitic views. For that matter, I don't think that Wright would share his views on Jesus Christ or Allah.

Barack Obama has consistently distanced himself and denounced Farrakhan. I think someone needs to give Wright the same opportunity to clarify how he either supports or rejects Farrahkhan.

This isn't the first time that someone has praised Farrakhan.

In 1996, the former Republican Vice-Presidential candidate Jack Kemp praised Farrakhan.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9500E3DE103BF933A2575AC0A960958260

In 1997, both Ed Rendell and Bill Clinton praised Farrakhan.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/21/ed-rendell-clinton-surrog_n_97784.html

This is not a justification for Wright giving Farrakhan an award. This is just to provide a historical context.

Again, I think it was wrong for Wright to give Farrakhan the award. It still doesn't mean that Wright is anti-semitic or that he preached hatred toward Jews from the pulpit. Obama stated that he thought it was wrong to give Farrakhan the award. Obama has not condoned or advocated anti-semitic actions. On the contrary, Obama is very pro-Israel.

In my honest opinion, I think that Wright was praising Farrakhan, in the same manner as Jack Kemp, Ed Rendell, and Bill Clinton, for his work in the black community to strengthen black families and to bring justice to the black community.

Again, I personally feel that it was wrong to give him an award. Obama felt the same way. I'll gladly join in with you and say "Shame on you Rev. Wright for giving Louis Farrakhan a lifetime achievement award". In the same sense, I hypocritically have to say that I would give Wright an award for all he's done in the black community to battle AIDS and poverty. And, no I do not agree with his statements about the government giving AIDS to black people. As I posted above, its well documented that the government conducted the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment on 399 black men.

Here is what Wright said:

Trumpet Newsmagazine -- a publication whose CEO and founder is Wright, then-pastor of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ, which Obama attends -- awarded Farrakhan the "Lifetime Achievement 'Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. Trumpeter Award'"

The article included praise of Farrakhan from Wright:

"When Minister Farrakhan speaks, Black America listens," says the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, likening the Minister's influence to the E. F. Hutton commercials of old. "Everybody may not agree with him, but they listen ... His depth on analysis when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye opening He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest.

"Minister Farrakhan will be remembered as one of the 20th and 21st century giants of the African American religious experience," continues Wright. "His integrity and honesty have secured him a place in history as one of the nation's most powerful critics. His love for Africa and African American people has made him an unforgettable force, a catalyst for change and a religious leader who is sincere about his faith and his purpose."

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

For most people church is where they go to express themselves and to receive support in their daily lives. Therefore, many people believe the church is a lot like their own home. What you say to one audience is not necessarily meant for a broader audience, as it will be taken out of context by those who do not know or understand the point being made.

Rev. Wright and others can preach about what they wish. But having it used for political gain by airing snippets, is a deliberate attempt to disparage his character and that of his parishioners.

No one outside of the African-American community has a right to comment on conversations, speeches, or sermons without 1st attending an African-American place of worship. Opinions should be informed opinions and not based upon sound bites.

I don't comment on Hispanic, Native American, or Asian traditions, because I am not qualified to do so. I don't pretend to know enough about their worship practices. What I hear about any of them is what is filtered through the media, which I don't count on to make any sound assessments or judgments!

My son has had a Mexican caregiver who was fantastic with him, and he has had a white teacher, who adored him. He has flourished under the guidance, supervision, and love from people of different races, colors and nationalities. But this does not give me any authority to critique any of them outside of my personal interactions with them. I'm not qualified to comment on their church practices, religious sermons, and conversations and then make judgments!

Rev. Wright must speak out when the media and politicians are attacking him. He has a right to defend himself and his legacy. He does not have to keep silent while Obama runs for president. Obama is a grown man; he can handle himself just fine.

There is enough room in the world for the Obama's and Rev. Wright's and everyone else. The African-American community is what it says it is, a community. A community is comprised of everyone.

Furthermore, African-Americans are not one-dimensional, instead multi-dimensional is more accurate, and the notion that one person has to shut up and let others speak is ridiculous. AA are not of one voice, but are comprised of many voices, just like a family.

Does any one person in your family speak for you?

Posted by: What about Rev. Wright? | April 28, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse


Kharma said:

"To those of you who think because Wright is Obamas pastor they must share the same views......that perspective has no depth.....thats like me saying that if your priest was in the child molestation ring that you too...believe in child molestation....."

So you would follow Obama's example and not disown the priest who molested?


Posted by: Billw | April 28, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse


emma goldman said regarding Wright:

"Those sound bytes taken out of context are awful--in context however, they make sense."

Do you think Wright awarding Farrahkan the "achievement of the year award" last
year also made sense?

I'll be interested to see your reply to this..


Posted by: Billw | April 28, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

My heart is heavy as I read these posts. So much ignorance, intolerance, hatefulness-- is this what our country has come to? Is this where we are going?

I watched the Bill Moyers special-- interview with Wright and I was impressed that he is NOT a raving lunatic, he is a thoughtful man who has dedicated himself to service in his community. How many of you can say that you have done the same? he served in the military, he serves the poor, mentors underprivledged youth (teaches them to believe in theirselves), and supports those with HIV.

Those sound bytes taken out of context are awful--in context however, they make sense. He was in fact urging against mindless vengence in the wake of 9/11. Too bad the people in power were not listening. Those of you who consider yoursleves Christian might do well to remember that Jesus Christ himself spoke out against unjust governments.

Any preacher living today who does not condemn the actions of our government with its illegal wars--cannot rightly call him or herself a Christian.

As a white woman, I would gladly worship at Wright's church. We have an obligation to respect other cultures, and to not be manipulated by the hate mongers in power who just want to divide us to keep us weak. This is the only way they can win-- if you like the mortage crisis, the war in Iraq, then go ahead, stay ignorant.

If you think Wright is scarey-- take a good hard look at McCain.

Posted by: emma goldman | April 28, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

to those of you who think because Wright is Obamas pastor they must share the same views......that perspective has no depth.....thats like me saying that if your priest was in the child molestation ring that you too...believe in child molestation.....hell you are a part of the church.....you have been going to mass for years.......these two ideaologies have nothing to do with each other......but i guess you have to have been educated to harbor that type of thinking.......

Posted by: Kharma | April 28, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

To "Nightstalker" Your comment fits your name.

Step out of the illusion

Posted by: Billy 7 | April 28, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

The Rev. Wright's speech to the NAACP fund raiser should be required listening for all Americans. I am a white, 70 year old male, not at all affluent and believe it to be a speech that describes
the truth about ourselves. I'd love to have him as my pastor.
The only thing I have heard better than his remarks was the wonderful, wonderful introduction. Now were talkin' !!!
Let's see Rush Limbaugh pull something like THAT off!

Posted by: billy 7 | April 28, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: CW | April 28, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Grandma Dee,

No pass, Grandma. You're going to have to cite some specific reference. I respect your right to an opinion. Calling someone a racist is not an opinion. Its a matter of fact. An opinion is "I think school vouchers will only encourage urban flight".

"Elton John is gay" is a statement of fact.

Again, if you're going to claim certain facts are true and you want me to believe you, you are going to have to provide proof.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Ed,

"1.) A higher percentage of blacks are incarcerated on average than other ethnic groups."

"You use it as an argument for continuing racism."

No. I'll use it as an argument to what Wright said which is that we need to focus on rehabilitation and not incarceration. We need to develope better programs for prevention. In my opinion, John Edwards was right on when he was talking about poverty and opportunity in this country. The crime rate would go down if so many people were not impoverished. Obama has talked about justice in the criminal justice system. He wants to make sure that people who are on death row deserve to be on death row. In my city of Dallas, in the past few years, 16 men have been released from DEATH row after being cleared by DNA evidence. We need to focus in on educating those that have been incarcerated so that they will have the skills necessary to live in a free world. Personally, I'm torn about what to do about the rapist and the pedophiles. I'm not sure what we can do for them. I know its probably not helping us to let them sit in jail watching sex-charged television only to watch the get out and do it all over again.

Addressing these issues is not to continue racism. If you think it is, you're going to have to tell me why.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Those who know the truth will be saying AMEN to the message of Rev. Wright. Why do we close our ears and our hearts to the truth? Listen America, while we have time.

Posted by: white senior female | April 28, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

To Shannon, who wrote:

.........Again, sorry grandma. No one gets a pass. If you're going to make statements like "racist spew" and you based it on the same sermon I heard, you're going to have to cite references. What did he say that was racist?

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 10:40 AM

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Sorry Shannon, did not realize today was your day to tell people what to say.

And lose the age discrimnatory tone, I do not NEED a pass just because I am a Grandma.

My opinions are just that, MINE.

You must have gone to the refrigerator too much during his "sermons". To me first of all, they were not sermons, but racial divisive and polarizing rantings at its best light.

Our nation has since the 1960's take great pride in our ability to overcome segregation and Wright threw it all in the toilet these last few days, or he has tried to!

Great Black Americans in the House, great black teachers, CEO's, business owners, the list goes on and on, (not to mention sports) who all have helped improve racial relations. Wright just spit on all of them!!!

He is a old mean spirited man, in my opinion, in the worst state of unforgiveness that a person can ever suffer!

God tells us to forgive our brothers and he will forgive us our sins. I heard nothing but unforgiveness spewing from him. I heard the 1960's coming back, that is what I heard.

He really stepped on my toes when he made fun of two great Presidents, Kennedy and Johnson, just to prove a point he THOUGHT he had. (He should have left that point under his hat!)
No wonder Michele Obama shows such anger in her speeches, 20 years of this???

Wright needs to be told over and over again, Slavery is over!!! Stop and smell the flowers, look at all the progress and happy black Americans, happy because they have enjoyed their freedom and worked hard to succeed, in spite of all they have endured.

They chose to forgive, to think highly of themselves, be positive and be happy to live in America, where we are all free to live however we choose!

I feel sorry for Obama, this type of racial spew helps no one, and it especially has severely hurt Obama.

Posted by: Grandma Dee | April 28, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Shannon,

I'm not much inclined to go for arguments based on statistics. Take the one you quoted.

"1.) A higher percentage of blacks are incarcerated on average than other ethnic groups."

You use it as an argument for continuing racism. Another person might use it as a rational explanation for why they treat young black men with suspicion. IMO, both are equally wrong. Our justice system is necessarily based on individuality. People who are incarcerated usually deserve it but using their race to taint every member is disgusting.

Laws that institutionalize racism have been dismantled, except for affirmative action directives, which should be. What people make of their lives now is up to them, individually. While we human beings are a tribal species, this country has striven to do things differently, advancing toward a society where the individual is paramount. Ideals and reality have not always met but there is no better way to forge a society of equality from members of so many tribes.

Posted by: Ed | April 28, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

please think very carefully about who you want to be president of the united states of america. i have spent the evening listening to jerimaih wright's sermons. he was obama's minister..this guy (the minister) is a bigot and only wants our country to be divided...after spending this evening listening to what wright is saying...i will never in this life vote for obama if he supports this fella...i am so tired of feeling guilty about the black and white situation in our country....i only want us all to come together, and i thought that maybe obama could bring us into some kind of harmony, but his minister is a "JERK"... PLEASE STUDY VERY CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU VOTE I HAVE DECIDED TO VOTE FOR HILLARY-----and I have studied very carefully about both people running..even reading both of their books..even my grandma was going to vote for obama...she is also disgusted with this stupid minister...A VOTE FOR HILLARY IS BETTER THAN THAT JERK...HOPE YOU GET A CHANCE TO LISTEN TO HIS RANTING AND RAVING JEREMIAH WRIGHT IS JUST PLAIN STUPID

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WRIGHT is NOT running for President! My Priest molested little boys for years, so is that my fault? Does that make me a child molester? Why is it that so many people are holding his pastor against him yet no one is holding Hillary or John McCain's pastors words against them? NOW THATS STUPID!!

Posted by: Angryman | April 28, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that sermons that capitalize on victimhood and perpetuate that view into the next generations is good for the congregation or for society in general. I find Obama's endorsement of those views via large contributions of time and money troubling.

Posted by: Ed | April 28, 2008 11:34 AM
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Thank you for your reasoned argument. I would say that it isn't up to the "hunter to decide for the lion" when enough is enough, although we certainly have a right to input. It seems to me that most of us recognize that injustices were committed, yet we shouldn't have to pay for the "sins of the father" forever. Having said that, perhaps it is no longer a matter of paying for those sins in the past, but rather what more needs to be felt and embraced. Injustice is one of the things in life that humans do not easily get beyond, and frequent reminders of the injustice keep up in any angry mood. It seems to me that Obama may be on the right path when he talks about recognizing what we have already accomplished as well as what we still need to accomplish. I wish I had more time now to explore that, but I have to go to a meeting. Good luck to you, and all of us.

Posted by: Southern Old White Boy Against the Shrew | April 28, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Adrian,

How do I know that you're not a racist jerk? If you're going to continue to make claims about Wright, you need to quote specifics so I'll believe you.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

It's interesting that what so many people took away from his speech is that he's a racist. I'm not suprised--as a black woman, I spent a large portion of the speech going, "Eek! Stop scaring the white folks!", but not because anything he said was racist or incorrect, only because so many people aren't willing to hear that Black people have had (and continue to have) a DIFFERENT experience than White people in this country and, sometimes, that experience is hurtful. When people are hurt, they may express it through anger--that doesn't make them racists. That was the whole point of his speech--DIFFERENT is okay, and we can't move forward as a nation unless we're willing to accept all differences as they come.

Posted by: concernedbythecomments | April 28, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Ed,

I didn't disagree with what you said earlier about having a standard for communicating with one another. I do disagree with what you just posted.


"I don't think that sermons that capitalize on victimhood and perpetuate that view into the next generations is good for the congregation or for society in general. I find Obama's endorsement of those views via large contributions of time and money troubling".

There is still some work to be done. Not all of it has to do with race. There are also inequalities that exist because of gender and class.

1.) A higher percentage of blacks are incarcerated on average than other ethnic groups.

2.) Blacks are more likely to be impoverished.

3.) Women make .75 cents to every dollar that men make for the same job.

4.) Young white middle class kids are being increasing overlooked for scholarships and positions in schools for black kids or asian kids whose parents have more of a socioecononmic advantage.

Pointing out these inequalities help. Otherwise, we'd simply sweep them under the rug. If we swept them under the rug, our daughters might never think it was possible for them to become President of the United States.

Obama/Sebelius 2008!!

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Shannon, how about this:

Mr. Wright is racist jerk. He is not a christian and never has been. Mr. Wright is a marxist as is quite obvious in the church's mission statement and the various sermons he had recorded of himself spewing hatred. And once he is ensconced into his multi-million dollar home, he won't care who is president, and he certainly won't care about you.

Posted by: Adrian | April 28, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Ed,

I don't disagree with what you're saying. I live in Texas. There's been a battle going on here for years regarding bilingual and whether English should be the official language of the state. I remember when blacks thought that Ross Perot got the state to institute "No Pass No Play" that it would disadvantage black kids. This is my personal opinion and should not be attributed to Barack Obama. I know that some will try. Anyway, I think we should have bilingual education. I also think that the official language of the state should be English. All children should be required to learn English. State documents should be in as many languages as we can afford to print. Some threshold needs to be met whereby if a population larger than 15% speaks a particular language it should be printed on state documents. I supported No Pass No Play. We have to set educational standards and we should set them high. In my opinion, kids should be required to take latin. I went to a prep school where it was a requirement and most of us did just fine. We should celebrate our cultural differences and not be afraid of one another.

The whole point of coming together doesn't mean that we all have to come to one side.

Again, these are my views. I did not hear Wright say this and I have not heard Obama articulate everything that I just went on about.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

If Gov. Rendell is a Jew, then why aren't Jewish groups jumping up and down, tearing their hair off when Rendell heaped praises on Louis Farakkhan? Where is the outrage from the Clinton campaign?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Don't you know the Obama camp is just loving his pastor right now. I know the McCain and Clinton camps are.

Posted by: Chief | April 28, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse


Wow, I never knew this type of hatred toward whites was still around. Has been a eye opener to me.

Scares me to think that Obama may become our next President.

Posted by: nightstalker | April 28, 2008 12:07 AM


Well duh nightstalker. You hear what you expect to hear. You see what you want to see. Your "fear" won't allow you to do anything else.

Of course you're afraid of Obama. Any fearful white person like yourself couldn't possibly be anything but afraid of an intelligent black man.

Of course you aren't afraid of Bush and McCain killing more brown folks in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan: as long as we're killing them they can't hurt you, right?

And hatred towards white people? I didn't hear Rev. Wright say anything hateful about white people. Just describing how we're different and even more importantly, how we're alike.

But you and others like you don't hear that. Too busy being afraid, blind and ignorant.

Posted by: Deborah | April 28, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Southern Old White Boy Against the Shrew:

There is no doubt that those individuals that were captured and enslaved suffered a great injustice as did their descendants subjected to slavery and later Jim Crow. We had a moral obligation to end that injustice and spent more American blood in doing so than all our other wars combined. Today, the rise of the African American middle class is testament to the success of those efforts.

The question then is what further burdens society at large carries for the sins of our fathers. I think it is rather less than you do. Considering the state of most Africans in their native lands, their descendants living in the US today have been paid handsomely for the injustices visited upon their forefathers.

I don't think that sermons that capitalize on victimhood and perpetuate that view into the next generations is good for the congregation or for society in general. I find Obama's endorsement of those views via large contributions of time and money troubling.

Posted by: Ed | April 28, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Southern Old White Boy Against the Shrew says:
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You ask a question pejoratively stated, and expect an answer? Do you still beat your wife?
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you're hysterical! You're posting name identifies Clinton as "the Shrew", yet you say someone else can't have a reasoned argument with someone who starts the discussion with a pejorative statement! When did this comments feature get so many comedians?


Posted by: dyinglikeflies | April 28, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Whenever Obamites can't think of a defense for another poster's remarks, they always turn to personal attacks. So immature and so predictable.

Posted by: thinkwithyourbrain | April 28, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

So all of you Obama-bashers would like to see him leave the Church? You must know that many of us do not wish to leave our churches where we have friends, family, roots, and most importantly, CHRIST. We love Jesus the same way you do, and that's why you must NEVER ask someone to leave or stop going to Church.

Let's talk about common issues that bring us together i.e. education, equal justice, gas prices, economic recession, foreclosures! and the future of America!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Pastor Wright treads where Angels dread. He speaks the truth,people should vote how they want but should not expect African americans to appologise for who they are. If Obama be right for president so be it but we do not want an African american posterboy president, who has to fit a 'normal" box to be elected so that we can keep hearing that he is exceptional. He is american, He is a man of color and he appeals to many accross the country. May be if it were that he is not who he is, this matter would have been settled along time ago.
Suppose Obama was trailing Clinton by delegate count and popular vote, I believe we would still be voting!!!
A man of color from Chicago must have something to hide...... go find it or better still manufacture it then repeat it long enough!!

Posted by: TWAD | April 28, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

If the racially charged, divisive and conspiratorial sermons by the Rev. Wright are unacceptable by what he terms the "dominant culture", does the dominant culture have some obligation to change its standards?

Just asking.

Posted by: Ed | April 28, 2008 11:02 AM
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You ask a question pejoratively stated, and expect an answer? Do you still beat your wife?

Clearly, you have no understanding of history. Try reading some books. Try empathizing with those captured/kidnapped and taken in chains to North and South America. Take the lazy way and watch the movie Amistad. What would your worldview be had you been a black man instead of white? I think we can all agree that progress has been made, and I have no idea how much progress still needs to be made, yet I don't think we are yet quite there when someone like you cannot even listen without condemning both the messenger and the message. Sometimes its better to listen without forming judgement/making argument while listening, then consider what you have heard AFTER you listened. Intellectual honesty would seem to require granting that we humans are not perfect, have not always acted perfectly, and therefore can learn from our mistakes and improve if we make the effort. Denial, obfuscation and exaggeration are not answers.

To the extent that we (dominant culture or as individuals) need to make whatever changes are required in order to conform to reality, I would say "yes" we have an obligation. Narcissists may argue with that notion, because to them other people do not exist as humans in their own right, but rather as entities to serve or be used. I hope that isn't you, or me.

Posted by: Southern Old White Boy Against the Shrew | April 28, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Whoever wrote this:

"Shannon,Dallas,you are splitting semantic hairs. If 9/11 is America's fault, our chickens coming home to roost, and we have a racist, white controlled system, yeah, I'll take the leap and say he thinks it's my fault."

He was specifically talking about the American government. I think he compared it to the Roman empire and the colonial British government. Unless you have something to do with foreign policy, I don't think he was talking about you. If you'd really like to know who he blames, I think he blames people like Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, both Bush', and Bill Clinton. With that being said, I think he might also praise each of them for something that they did as well. Rev. Wright has been to the White House a number of times. I'm sure he has praised President Clinton for his work on AIDS or Jimmy Carter for his work with habitat for Humanity, and even the current Bush for his work with AIDS.

I think Wright was talking to us when he said that, as a result of 9/11, we can't turn on others solely because they are of Islamic decent.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Shannon, people cannot come together without standards. Speech itself is an agreement on standards, without which communication is impossible. Different people and groups of people cannot come together without agreements on how to treat each other. Standards that allow for different behavior for in group and out group members is standard across most cultures but if we are trying to forge a society of many different groups, in which everyone is treated equally, that different standards stuff is totally unacceptable.

So, you look at Wright's sermons, and change the labels on the groups he talks about and see if they are acceptable to you from your cultural perspective then. If so, all is well for you. Otherwise you endorse a Balkanization of this country that is unworkable.

Posted by: Ed | April 28, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

thinkwithyourbrain, I listened to Rev. Wright's speech last night at the NAACP dinner and he was magnificent; witty and and so intelligent. That is what SCARES the h*ll out of you because your intellect could NOT even begin to hold a candle to the education and intelligence of this man! He was sensational and he spoke the truth! Apparently this country is comprised of so many racists like you who are absolutely ENVIOUS of any man who has the ability and use of language to communicate on that level! This SCARES you because (apparently your tag is a misnomer) you don't have the ability to 'think' as evidenced by the fact that you are supporting the clintons (identified as: GREEDY WITH EGOMANICAL POWER HUNGRY INSATIABLE NARCISSITIC LIARS!) You must be just like them in order to support them! (Don't forget you get 2 for 1 with them! Slick Willie and his Slick Wickie and all the new interns mrs. fat cow would hire! Boy is that a pretty picture or what?) Please, get an education and some class! Racists like you are a dime a dozen as evidenced by so many of the comments above !

Posted by: ObamasLady | April 28, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

PLEASE! I have a suggestion. The Rev. Jeremiah Wright is NOT running for The Office of Presidency. Sen. Barack Obama IS. Can't the media be sensible enough to refer to the Rev. Wright as an individual and not link him with Obama?? Is that too hard? Are these two men indivisible?

The media should let each man talk for himself! Don't say "Sen. Obama's former pastor!" for Christ's sake! Are you guys so afraid of the pastor, or is it that you just want o run down Sen. Obama?

Posted by: concernedcitizen | April 28, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Ed,

Again, you inserted the word "divisive". Again, I think you missed the point of Wright's message.

He made a reference to a poem by Rudyard Kipling called "The White Man's Burden". Wright was making the point that blacks are not asking whites to lower their standards and whites should not think that blacks need to achieve some socially acceptable standard. Wright throws the whole notion of standards out the door. He says that there is no standard and that we are are simply different. I concede as I think Wright would concede that all races have shortcomings.

Anyway, he puts that to the side and says "let's come together and find new ways of fixing education, the criminal justice system, and illegal immigration.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Shannon,Dallas,you are splitting semantic hairs. If 9/11 is America's fault, our chickens coming home to roost, and we have a racist, white controlled system, yeah, I'll take the leap and say he thinks it's my fault. If he praises someone profusely who has gained noteriety mostly from saying Jews are evil etc., I'll take the leap and say he's anti-Semitic himself.

And if Obama is willing to listen to this guy for 20 years and put him on his campaign team, when Oprah had the good sense and courage to quietly leave this Church, I'll take the leap and say that Obama has proven to be a moral coward. As hard a time as you might have seeing this, try to envision what you would be saying about hillary clinton if she had behaved as Obama did.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

The Bible is our insite of the ways of God & how we are suppose to live and treat one another.
Pull the plank out of your own eye, and then you can pull the speck out of your brothers. Matthew 7:5.,

And until you do that, you really can't comment.

Posted by: M.H | April 28, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Grandma Dee:

I presume you enjoy overreacting and and making broad predictions based on your narrow viewpoint. Isn't it funny how people hear what they want to hear without even listening.

Posted by: Southern Old White Boy Against the Shrew | April 28, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

dyinglikeflies,

Are you trying to cite some proof that Wright praises Farakhan for saying Jews practice a "gutter religion"?

You're going to have to quote him because this is false.

"9/11 is Americas fault based on the behaviour of some homogenious glob of "white people""

Again, you're going to have to quote him accurately, because he did not say this. I think you've taken the liberty to insert "white people" into the same sentence as 9/11. I heard the sermon he gave on 9/11 and I don't remember hims saying that it was the fault of "white people".


Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

If the racially charged, divisive and conspiratorial sermons by the Rev. Wright are unacceptable by what he terms the "dominant culture", does the dominant culture have some obligation to change its standards?

Just asking.

Posted by: Ed | April 28, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

How sad it is to see here Exhibit A in the case of a country still divided by race and rationality. Those throwing stones at minorities deny the common DNA of humanity and exalt their culture over all others. Thank God history's arrow is pointing the opposite way of the bigots' march into oblivion.

Posted by: rippermccord | April 28, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

nightstalker:

So, that is all you comprehended? A pre-determined conclusion without thought. Great. So, you are so controlling that you won't allow this man (any man?) to have the right to exist, to experience, to consider their own heritage and derivation, to interpret through their own eyes, and to ask for appropriate changes to address some real injustices that they perceive? Are you really so smart and omnipotent that you understand, yet overrule? Maybe you should open your mind, and overrule your fears. It isn't really that hard to do. Yes you can. What is the worst that can happen? What is the best that can happen?

Posted by: Southern Old White Boy Against the Shrew | April 28, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"Whoever,

You're going to have to cite some evidence that this is true:

divisive, separatist and anti-Semitic Rev. Wright "

Whoever here, forgot to input the moniker.
Evidence? The text of his various speeches (when he thinks only his congregation is listening). 9/11 is Americas fault based on the behaviour of some homogenious glob of "white people", still more is Israel's fault (and that's out of nowhere) and he praises Farakhan who says Jews practice a "gutter religion". Don't need more evidence than his own words. And someone wants to compare him to Dr. King? Dr. King must be spinning like a top in his grave.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | April 28, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Wright is brilliant and intelligent, but that doesn't mean he's not an insane racdist.

Posted by: wpsinni | April 28, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

lucygirl1,

Does Kennedy frighten you? Is he not qualified to be either President or Vice President?

Was Bush qualified?

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 10:37 AM

no to all of those questions

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

***Attention African-Voters***
Come back to Lincoln's party; the party of Colin Powell and Condi Rice. White Democrats will sell you out. They will take away the nomination from Obama. Support John McCain.
McCain '08

Posted by: GOPBlack | April 28, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Grandma Dee,

Again, sorry grandma. No one gets a pass. If you're going to make statements like "racist spew" and you based it on the same sermon I heard, you're going to have to cite references. What did he say that was racist?

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

lucygirl1,

Does Kennedy frighten you? Is he not qualified to be either President or Vice President?

Was Bush qualified?

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

The only way I would have voted for a Republican in Novemeber if it would have been Colin Powell....If he had been running this time...race would have never been mentioned...Great American and a great man.

Posted by: lucygirl1 | April 28, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

To the writer of: >>IMHO people who do not wish to vote for Barack Obama are looking for an excuse to not do so. >>>>>>>>>>>

==================================

Not so.

After listening to both the NAACP and the Press speeches of Rev. Wright this am, and his lack of concern for Obama or the United States of America, all I can say is, WOW. How could anyone sit in his church for 20 years? Two sermons and I feel like I am right back in the 60's, and I RESENT that!

This man is self-serving, filled with racist spew, and is a disgrace to all of Black America. Whatever hard work has been done in the last 30+ years has just been tromped on by Wright.

Just so he can sell a book, sell himself, how selfish can he be? I feel sorry for Obama.

He actually giggled, acted out at the Press this am, looked like a giggly boy who "thinks" he is winning the spelling bee. Very immature!

Well, Obama can kiss the nomination goodbye.

Posted by: Grandma Dee | April 28, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Whoever,

You're going to have to cite some evidence that this is true:

divisive, separatist and anti-Semitic Rev. Wright

I personally think that George Bush is a divisive separatist but you're not going to see me put some false claims out there without being able to back it up.

If you can, please posts some links to something that Wright said that is divisive, separatist or anti-Semitic.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I think that folks prefer "pundits" and "talking heads" to think for them - it's easier. The problem is that the mainstream media is owned by the majority culture - white men - who have a vested interest in keeping things status quo. I find it appaling that Billary can tell outright lies, that she can speak in favor of NAFTA, time and time again - and even now - if you listen to what she is saying - that her husband and main campaign manager can take hundreds of thousands of dollars to help pass free trade agreements - and then suddenly in Pennsylvania and Ohio - she is againt NAFTA = and we are making Rev. Wright an issue - we are dumb. If it were not for the fact that I am a believer in Christ, I would say folks are getting what they deserve - but that does not sit well for me as many folks can not speak for themselves. God bless Rev. Wright and Obama - and I know that God has His hand on this situation.

Posted by: dr. debra | April 28, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

Rev. Wright is THE BOMB!!! (But not bombastic :)

PTL

Posted by: GObama | April 28, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

***Attention African-American Voters***
The Democrats will take the nomination away from Obama. Come back to Lincoln's party; the party of Colin Powell and Condi Rice. The Democrats will stab you in the back, and twist that knife good and long. Support John McCain.
McCain '08

Posted by: GOPBlack | April 28, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Keep defending yourself, Rev Wright. You help move more voters to Sen Clinton everyday. Thanks, and God Bless America!

Posted by: thinkwithyourbrain | April 28, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

NOBODY, should feel they were elected to become Contrary Obstructing Turkeys! Who in their right minds would WANT our Government Fouled up?
Besides Dimocrat Socialists?
Posted by: RAT-The

My ex was an anthropologist. At "social" gatherings (note that word) I asked her colleagues what was the best form of government. The overwhelming response: In times of trouble, upheaval, catastrophe--the best form of government was "socialism." That's because it was necessary for people to get together to salvage the "society." When the troubles were over, socialism went out the window, perceived self-interest came in, and people were at each other's throats again.

Governments and states are new to human history, maybe 5,500 years old. Before that, the only law was revenge. After looking at these posts, I see that many people are so invested in their candidates that they are devolving into that mindset, seeking to destroy the candidate they oppose with murderous intent--although on a digital, anonymous basis. Evolution, folks. It's good for America.

Posted by: edwcorey | April 28, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Blacks do not count. USA Supreme court voted that all people must have identification?? What kind. The kind a colored poor person may not have. How convieniant. A Canadaian Americanin in my heart.

Posted by: justadad55 | April 28, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I guess if Obama wins it will be as close as Kennedy will ever get to being President......maybe he'll be his VP...then he'll be calling the shots like Cheney

can you hear me now?

can you hear me now

Posted by: lucygirl1 | April 28, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Blacks do not count. USA Supreme court voted that all people must have identification?? What kind. The kind a colored poor person may not have. How convieniant. A Canadaian Americanin in my heart.

Posted by: justadad55 | April 28, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Yellow Dog,

Many of his sermons have been posted by members of his church. This link was widely circulated in blogs.

http://www.youtube.com/user/TRINITYCHGO

The quote about chickens coming home to roost was first made by Admiral Peck. Wrights sermon was aimed at characterizing what our response to the violent terrorist act should be. I think he used the word "unthinkable" to descibe the terrorist acts of 9/11. He was saying that we can't confront violence with violence.

I think the full message is posted out there on youtube.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I was at the NAACP dinner last night and watched Rev. Wright's speech at the National Press Club this morning. He spoke repeatedly that "difference does not mean deficient, it just means different". He also spoke repeatedly about reconcilation of differences as the goal of the black church and religion at large.

People who are psychologically mature can comprehend that message and see this perspective without being anxious or scared. It is time that secure and mature people come together and create the bridges among different groups that are still needed in this country.

Posted by: Glad-to-be-an-American | April 28, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Robeste,

What's your point? Does it matter if he is the current pastor of the church or not?

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I guess if Obama wins it will be as close as Kennedy will ever get to being President......maybe he'll be his VP...then he'll be calling the shots like Cheney

Posted by: lucygirl1 | April 28, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

To quote The Simpsons:
"You see, WHITE people drive like this..."

*Impersonation of a nerdy, uptight glasses-wearing driver*

"...and BLACK people, drive like this..."

*Smooth driver, accompanied by some thumping bass music and a generally unaffected air*

Homer Simpson: "It's true! We're SOOO lame!"

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Adrian,

"deviant as a human being"

Wow, that's funny because in his message he said that, when we all see ourselves as part of the human race, a change will come.

I think someone is going to have to change their view of others if we're going to make progress here.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

gbooksdc- I reiterate what Lynn said and would add something: Sure, King was vilified by White Southerers (who at the time were, shall we say, as a whole quite insane and stupid on the subject of race and integration), but King managed to gain enough praise elsewhere in the U.S. and the world to be praised by Presidents and to win the Nobel Peace Prize. Not sure that the divisive, separatist and anti-Semitic Rev. Wright is currently under consideration for that particular award or any other. Comparing the two men is not only an empty exercise but, with all due respect, a very false analogy and an extreme insult to King's memory. You want to make a point, I understand, but there are limits.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Rev Wright and his apologists continue to claim that the "snippets" of his sermons are being judged unfairly because they were taken out of context. This continues to be an ineffective defense because the complete sermons from which the quotes were taken are not available. I spent hours looking for these sermons on line and only managed to find one, the "chickens-come-home to roost" sermon on 9/16/01. I listened to the entire sermon and I don't think the controversial quote was taken out of context. Rev Wright concludes this sermon with a call for "social transformation" defined as justice for his community. That call to action is likely to frighten the same people who are frightened by the collection of "snippets" made available to the public. If the Washington Post can post on-line all 11,000 pages of Sen Clinton's White House schedules, it can also post the complete sermons of Rev Wright that are now defended based on the fact that they aren't available. This is only fair. If and when the blatantly biased press begins to treat the two Democratic candidates in an even-handed manner, then we can all accept the outcome. Presently, the supporters of Sen Clinton are extremely angry because the perception is that the media is determining the outcome of the race. This is not democracy. This is an irresponsible "installation" by the media of a candidate who may not be competitive in November.

Posted by: Yellow Dog | April 28, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Why are the media lemmings in lockstep in saying Obama's and the church's "*former* pastor" when the church's own website today says "Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. IS Senior Pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ"?

Does it depend on what the meaning of "is" is?

Posted by: Robeste | April 28, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Wright, you are just not deficient in the knowledge of the Holy Bible and faith in Jesus Christ, but you are whole heartedly deviant as a human being.

Posted by: Adrian | April 28, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

lucygirl1,

If you had a share of a winning lottery ticket, would you claim it? I'm sure the others with whom you might share would not want you to claim it.

My suggestion to you is to vote according to your own interests. If you care about ending the War in Iraq, vote for someone who supports that. If you care about keeping the capital gains tax low, vote for someone who supports that.

To do anything less is counter productive.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Obama is an inexperienced man with great ambition and a silver tongue, and his mentor, Rev.Wright, is an experienced man with the ability to use political issues and class hatred to earn himself enough money to build a 10,000 sq.ft.house in a classy, gated community with a private elevator and 4 car garage. Both men are con artists, working the public. Don't excuse these behaviors! Electing Obama would be a disaster and Rev.Wright is supposed to be retired. Why doesn't he get lost? Get out of the spotlight!

Posted by: Zaney8 | April 28, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

First, I want to tell you that we were very impressed with Rev. Wendell Anthony's introduction of Rev. Wright. The people of the world needed to know how brilliant Rev. Wright is....holding massive degrees, speaks 5 languages, served our country with honor, was a pulmonary medic in the Navy and assisted in operating on LBJ, he did not have 5 deferments, nor was he AWOL. WOW....the resume goes on and on.

After hearing him speak my only wish was that my family could attend his church. He is full of the Holy Spirit.

Rev. Wright is more qualified to be president than John McCain.
Rev. Wright's Speech Should Not Have Any Affect on Sen. Obama and for the press to attempt to make this argument is an insult to every American who is a Christian.

We were so impressed with Rev. Wright's speech. He is a brilliant man and cannot be denied. The ignorant of this country will hate him and the people who have some+ intelligence will see how they were fooled by the media into believing this man was a monster. Far from it.....he is a great man.

This speech in no way hurts Senator Barack Obama and for the press to elude to this would be wrong. I would imagine that the Clinton Campaign is not a happy camp this morning. They need to stop the attacks. But, just because you play your horn in Harlem doesn't mean your not a bigot and the Clinton's have truly shown their racial colors. This man...Rev. Wright is a "man of God" and we have the greatest respect for him.

The media owes this man an apology and anyone who said bad things about him based on a sound bite owe him an apology.

Kathy Schroeder, Fredericksburg Texas

Posted by: Kathy in Texas | April 28, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I meant to say that I would like to have [been] alive to hear Jonathan Edwards famous sermon, "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God".

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Vnd22,

Now that's a post I can understand. All I can say to you is that his style may seem antogonistic to you or even the white community. It may seem as though he is channeling a reservoir of resentment. I think you have to realize that it is bundled in love for others and a love for this country and the American Dream. I personally am not inspired by pastors who have to scream and yell but at this point in time in our history Wright inspires me. I think the last thing he wants to do is to offend or antagonize anyone. It would undercut his moral authority as a servant of God.

His style is crazy, but his goal is admirable.

I think I would have like to be alive to hear Jonathan Edwards famous sermon, "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God". I also would have liked to have heard John Winthrop describe a "City upon a Hill".

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Little ole' nightstalker sure is scared of big bad black man.

Racists of the world unite around the GOP and media narrative = Obama is too Black, too radical, too scary.

God have pity on my benighted country, run by liars and inhabited by religious and racial bigots.

Posted by: JD | April 28, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

The DNC didn't want my vote in the the primary...they sure as hell not getting it in November....I only hope every democrat in Michigan and Florida feels the same.

Posted by: lucygirl1 | April 28, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

"Shaniqua Obama is scary. I hope she doesn't have watermellon dinners in the White House or put curb feelers and rims on the Presidential limos."
Posted by: Nadeem Zacharia

And I hope you upgrade your spelling, you bigoted ignoramus. A person's writing ability reflects on their intellectual ability.

Posted by: edwcorey | April 28, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Tim,

Have you seen Jim Hagee on TV?

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

One amendment to my comment last night:

Obama tried to make the election about Clinton's judgment and her vote (along with the majority of the Senate) to give the President the authority to go to war. Now the election is about Obama's judgment -- but not so much for he himself sitting in that church 20 years. He's an adult, he has loyalties and can choose to listen to others and disagree. It may not be the best political move for a senator (even a state senator) but it's his choice. I do however have a problem with the fact that he and his wife brought their daughters there. Bringing them in effect condones what Wright says, allows that the hatred (one blogger called it verbal violence) he exhibits is justified. The children are not old enough to differentiate like Obama does; that's what I have a problem with. And Obama continued to condone Wright's behavior by putting him on his religious committee and inviting him (before uninviting him) to help kick-off his campaign.

I watched the whole speech last night and understood some of what Rev. Wright was trying to convey. Unfortunately, though, he seems to feel the only way to lift up the black race is by tearing down the white. And he makes you wonder what he means by the "change" that's coming.

Posted by: Vnd22 | April 28, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Ralphinphnx,

Did it really take you until last night to figure out that you didn't like Barack Obama? Go figure.

How do you feel about

1.) Universal Healthcare
2.) Guest Worker Programs for Immigrants
3.) The War in Iraq

Come on. I know how you feel about all of these things. Stop with all the dramatics. We know how you feel.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

To "Me":

Very interesting post. I have suspected that both the Clintons have had long and dubious, but secret connections to the Jewish right right lobby.

As someone who hung around with many moderate and left wing Jews for decades, I think it is an ominous sign that the country is preparing for war with Iran at the same time "sniper-fire" Hillary is throwing mud at Obama for any reason her handlers can throw at her.

Posted by: George | April 28, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Rusty3...actually no I don't know of any reverands who have given these types of sermons...and it says a lot about a candidate who would support such hatred.

Posted by: Tim | April 28, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

And so after I watched enough of that racist madman Rev Wright hate speech at the
NAACP Convention,that was enough to fully
convince me that loser Barack Hussein Obama
20 years of sitting in Wright's church and
listening to Rev Wright Mad Racist Rants
most certain demonstrates how poor judgment
and weak totally out of touch with reality
character Barack Hussein Obama is and that
Obama is unfit to be President.

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | April 28, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Lynn,

I think you should revist the sermons of both King and Wright. I think their messages focus on achieving the same goals.

As far as comparing anyone to Hitler, it's impossible. Hitler was responsible for the deaths of millions of people. He was a supremist in the worst degree. Neither King nor Wright are supremists.

You'll have to make the case that Wright believes that blacks are superior to whites. Wright hasn't said anything to suggest this.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

In a case indicating that the world is going completely insane, or simply a something reminding one of the stage prop incident in Spinal Tap, Roger Waters of Pink Floyd arranged for a giant pig to fly above an outdoor concert this weekend urging people to vote for Obama however on the side, the pig said "Don't be let to the slaughter."

We report, you decide.

Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 28, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Barry Hussien Obama II,

I think race relations and social justice have been a big issue for Wright for a long time. Obama on the other hand was focused on other issues like ending the war in Iraq. It's actually people such as yourself who find Wright's message so inflaming that are bringing race to the forefront. This discussion will help America. I think that's why Wright is still talking. It's clear that someone is finally listening.

You can ramble on and on about any number of politicians of all races who have betrayed the publics trust. If you do, please include John McCain and any other members of the Keating 5.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Rev. Wright, first crucified, buried, then arisen. Where have a heard this story before?

Posted by: Optimyst | April 28, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Responding to gbooksdc ~

When Dr. King was alive and working for civil rights, he was working to change the law itself that, up to that time had protected white bigotry and promoted segregation. Of course Dr. King was hated by bigots who wanted to keep blacks disenfranchised and separate. That hatred was shameful and wrong and Dr. King died because of it.

But this is a different time and a different world. People do still hate and there is racism and racial hatred on both sides. But the laws no longer force black Americans to the figurative back of the bus. Yes, there are still social inequalities, hatred and misunderstanding. And on the other side of the coin, there is often exploitation, anger and violence. These are things that both sides have to work toward healing.

And here is Rev. Wright preaching his own brand of segregation and separatism, the very things Dr. King strove to overcome. I'm sure that white bigots hate Rev. Wright. But a lot of whites who aren't bigots also take issue with his messages of condemnation and blame. I thought Dr. King's message was meant to take us all, black and white, away from that. I think comparing the two men is a little bit like comparing Lincoln to Hitler. After all, they were both controversial leaders.

Posted by: Lynn | April 28, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Obama is being hired to do a job for the next four years.

Wright's views will have absolutely nothing to do with how he performs that job.

Wright and all the people who dwell on him are wasting America's time. We have some very serious problems to be addressed. Preachers are not one of them.

Posted by: Steve G | April 28, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Just another chance to point out what the mainstream media won't: that Wright's comments about America's "chickens coming home to roost" were not original with him, but were a restatement of comments by Edward Peck, who served as ambasador to Iraq and as deputy director of Reagan's task force on terrorism; and that his use of a phrase generally viewed as sacrilegious and obscene from the pulpit, while indeed offensive, is not at all different in meaning from statements by McCain's stated spiritual advisor Rod Parsley that "America is under the curse of God."

This is a man who served his country when he didn't have to, when the current Vice President refused to do so.

Posted by: SWheelock | April 28, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Unless you live in a cave, you know that many preachers of Christianity, white and black, have given similar sermons. Many preachers attempt to identify social evils within the world. It is only in the mega-churches of the comfortable and powerful that you hear the call for blind worship of the nation and capitalism.

There was NOTHING for Obama to denounce in the NAACP speech. There is usually SOMETHING in all our behavior and speech for someone else to denounce and take issue with.

Posted by: rusty 3 | April 28, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Evista,

I think in his closing statements he made a passionate plea for everyone to come together.

So, I think it's safe to say that we can expand his argument to "different is not deficient" and differences do not denote incompatibility.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

God Bless the Reverend Wright and his empty suit 50% White, 20 year attendee at his Church, Barack Obama!!! Keep talking Reverend Wright, you are really helping race relations, you da man!

With great African American leaders like Mayor Adrian M. Fenty (what's a loss of $50M stolen from DC taxpayers, or 4 murders this weekend), Detroit Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick (a true leader of text messaging), Mayor Ray Nagin (still waiting on the buses)... Obama is the next in the wave of AA leaders. Just what we need.

Posted by: Barry Hussien Obama II | April 28, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Ok - I watched the Entire Speech, not just the tiny out of context snippets that most people watch. I wanted to watch the whole speech.

The speech Rev. Wright gave was challenging toward us all to join together with whatever differences we have. It was about accepting others who are different then us. It was intelligent, insightful and funny. He's a colorful speaker and in this speech, the whole speech, was uplifting, informative and I'm really glad that I watched it.

I hope those who talk about it have watched it in it's entirety. It was a homerun and helps to give a better perspective on who he is.

Understanding him better now, I see no reason why anything about him is a problem for the nomination. Remember what Thomas Jefferson said - "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism". We ALL want change in our governement.

Posted by: Lynne | April 28, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

I really should have proofed that before I posted it. Its been a long night of blogging.

Here are some corrections:

Obamamania, Michele Obama would not have been proud of your comments. She [would be] proud that people of all races are rallying behind a message of change.

I'm not going to go back and fix all of the errors just know that I am sorry for them.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I too had a chance to hear Wright's viewpoints and my very conservative husband, a Republican, saw it as well and found nothing objectionable to the context in which Wright's analogies connect with history and Jesus. Taking the land away from the Indians was an act of terror. Most of the things that Americans have done in the secular world are terrifying. However, in all fairness, I find the Clintons terrifying and believe that we are in a cross roads where we can lead the world with a new kind of dynamic, or just become part of the world with a new kind of dynamic, since we owe so much money to countries that are in a growing phase and we appear to be in decline at the moment.

There are new ways of doing things; Clinton's time to come in like the cowboys they are and lassoo everyone with insinuation, innuendo and outright bending the truth on its ear to ruin someone may be a part of American history. I found Wright's remarks enlightening and had never thought of events from any other standpoint before hearing him. I was appreciative of Moyer for inviting him on the show.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

WHOA!

Fellow Democrats, don't let the Clinton campaign, and the neo-con media mouths turn this campaign into a racial brawl.

Look how fast discussions about race have taken over the debate.

Open your hearts, hear the music. Take the high road.

WHOA!

Posted by: Ricky Galileo | April 28, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Gosh there are some unforgiving people around here. Apparently it doesn't matter what Wright says, he is forever condemned by a single soundbite. As one poster put it, a drop of poison in a glass of water is still poison.

To anyone who thinks like that, I hope you're not asking to be judged by that standard yourself. The Bible says you won't pass.

Posted by: Immanuel Cant | April 28, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Just one thing I'd like to mention: I remember when Dr. King was alive. When he was effective, he was WIDELY vilified as an agitator. Don't take my word for it read the papers of the day. Then he attacked LBJ over the war, and he was less politically effective. Then he got shot, and all of the sudden, everyone was OK with him.

The fact is, his period of political effectiveness was about ten years long, and during much of that period, much of America expressed their hatred of him in much the same words I see in this topic for Rev. Wright and Sen. Obama. I am not comparing what Dr. King has done to what Rev. Wright has done; they're different people in different times approaching different problems in different manners. What I _am_ saying is that, people who claim to be fair-minded often find ways to take issue who are seeking to champion fairness and equality; they always seem to find a reason to take issue with whatever vessel of change appears on the scene. That bigots will deny their bigotry will never change; what is notable, to me, is that don't even change the script.

Posted by: gbooksdc | April 28, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Obamamania,

I doubt you're black for the simple reason you cited William Ayers, but just in case you are. Barack Obama has said that it is time to move on. He didn't include reparations in his economic plan, so I don't think he supports them. Michelle Obama probably isn't proud about everything that goes on in the black community. She's probably not proud of the racial divide that has existed in this country since it's inception. She probably would be proud of your comments. She proud that people of all races are rallying behind a message of change. She would be proud if the message was being delivered by an Asian American, or a Latin American, or a White American. There are those of us who are choosing to look beyond race to the greater good of this country.

gunclinger,

You are easily manipulated. If anyone brings up a wedge issue, you immediately become defensive. You have allowed the Republicans to convince you that your right to own a gun was under assault. After you voted for them, they shipped you off to war in Iraq. You allowed them to convince you that your church was under assault because gays wanted to same benefits under the law as married couples then they balked at a constitution amendment to ban gay marriage. They weakened the value of the dollar so that what you own is worth less.

alance,

There are a growing number of people who feel that George Bush and Dick Cheney committed treason so I think it's funny that you would consider Rev. Wright to be a threat to our society when 4000 of our soldiers have died and a great part of the world now considers us to be the greatest threat after we for the first time in our history preemptively attacked another country. We are less safe today than we were on 9/11. Are you wearing your flag lapel pin?

Bewildered White Person,

Rev. Wright might have a grudge. I don't know. He is however dragging us to a place in which all Americans are valued and where all faiths are valued. He sees the future in which an American government is just and fair and hopeful to every citizen. He is asking all Americans to pick themselves up and to make this new America a reality. I'll be specific because that just might be a little to lofty for some. He wants the American government to take an interest in truly educating all children and not simply write them off or pass them along with false labels. These children can achieve more. He wants the government to truly focus on rehabilitating criminals and not to create a revolving door system. This means that some thought has to be given to job training and education for those that are incarcerated. He wants the government to consider what should be the ethical treatment of illegal immigrants who come to this country seeking hope. He wants our society to be open to people of all faiths, races, and sexual preferences. He believes that all these people should have the opportunity to do so. He believes that the government has not always sought these same goals. He believes that we as individuals and Americans should. He believes that the government should come together with the non-profit organizations and work to meet these goals. He believes politicians and pastors should strive to meet these goals together. I hope this makes it a little less bewildering for you.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Don't want to paint Obama with every word this wacko says, but where is Obama's judgment in refusing to disavow him? Is Obama so afraid of looking like a "Tom" to the African-American community that he stays joined at the hip to this racist nut? Obama needs a "Sister Souljah" moment- kick this guy out of the tent or watch yourself not just lose the election but lose worse than McGovern. Show some moral courage, and prove to those like me who think that you have no moral courage that we are wrong. Give me SOME reason to support you over McCain in November. THE TIME IS NOW!

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | April 27, 2008 11:37 PM
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a) Wright has preached for decades over a church that has done, indisputably, much good. The flap is over two sermons, one of which has been taken out of context (in that he was quoting someone else). You cannot think these sermons were typical, particularly the post-9-11 one, inasmuch as 9-11 itself was unique. But if bothers you that black preachers giving sermons to a black audience often touch on the social inequality between black and white, I don't know what I can tell you. One thing for sure: to the extent any preacher does not speak to the needs of his parishioners, he will soon be without a church. They don't pass that plate for the exercise.

b) To the extent that Wright uttered anti-American or divisive statements, Obama repudiated and rejected them. He did not repudiate and reject the MAN, since he is a part of his larger family, being someone who baptized his kids, married him, prayed with him, etc. Think hate the sin, not the sinner.

c) The moral courage is in not repudiating Wright. The politically expedient move would have been to leave his church. That would have appeased whites. Appeasement, as Neville Chamberlain should have taught us, is never a good long-term strategy.

Posted by: gbooksdc | April 28, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

My, my, my...many sheep posting today especially those who now claim to have seen the "real" Wright on PBS no less and CNN. So, in one hour of edited format you suddently know that he is a kind and loving individual? Hmmmm too bad many of you weren't with Jim Jones when he offered his cool-aid because you seem to be drinking Mr. Wright's down without a blink.

God Damn America, and blaming gays for problems in America don't seem to fit with my definition of a respectable individual. Be he a reverend or someone where sheep will kiss his butt.

Posted by: Tim | April 28, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Kindly define democracy and what it implies for the lower 97% of our society or for that matter any society today. In addition discard the well worn phrase used during World War I and World War II. Oh Yes! Also delete the definition of bringing democracy to the Iraquis. Perhaps it is time to examine the social classes who really benefit from this Plutocracy; hot "democracy".

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Why does Senator Clinton continue to associate with an impeached perjurer?

Why does Senator Clinton, a champion of women, continue to associate with one who admits to having a sexual relationship with a female college intern?

Is what's fair for the goose also fair for the gander?

Sound familiar?

Posted by: Ricky Galileo | April 28, 2008 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: j p | April 28, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Rev. Wright is far more intelligent for most people to comprehend, that's why McCain and the rest of his ilk misinterpets his speeches and sermons.

Posted by: Terry | April 28, 2008 8:21 AM | Report abuse

Even if we were disappointed with Rev. Wright's expressions of frustration with the USA OR even if we don't agree with Farrakan's faith or views, we should at least pray for these guys and encourage them to continue to direct young folks to paths that lead to positive, creative and productive lives.

Afterall, within the last two weeks, Chicago, their hometown, is experiencing such an increase in deadly and devastating violence that the number of law enforcement officers on the streets had to be increased tremendously.

People are losing their homes and jobs. They also find it difficult to buy food and gas.

There are young black men walking around with a lot of energy and they will find something to do with that energy, just like any young man of any race. IN MANY CASES, THE CHOICES THEY MAKE ARE BAD AND DESTRUCTIVE TO THEMSELVES AND OTHERS.


I hope that Rev. Wright and Farrakan continue to reach out and welcome young men to an alternative way to react to bad circumstances.
I hope we all realize that this can happen in our hometown.

Meanwhile, let us all remember that "DIFFERENT DOES NOT MEAN DEFICIENT".

Posted by: cn | April 28, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

Am I reading these comments correctly:

Am I now supposed to stop being a racist and hate the Jews?

Is it okay if I vote for Hillary?

It sounds like the whole country is deficient.

Posted by: Evista | April 28, 2008 8:05 AM | Report abuse

Shameful at CNN antics, two ridiculous anchors pushing the bigot Wright's agenda.

Thankfully for YouTube. This guy is an idiot.

Posted by: Karen | April 28, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Pastor Wright is the reason there is racism in this country.
We don't need Obama or the Pastor telling us any more rubbish.

Last night he sealed Obama's fate

He will never be elected as the President.

The Pastor convinced us we cannot come together as a country of one, we are too different.

Posted by: Evista | April 28, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Barak Obama chants a mantra of inclusion, yet the product of his politics is racial hatred and divisiveness. We see this from the Reverand Wright's preaching, from the first lengthy and anti-Semitic post in this thread and from similar such screeds of other Obama supporters. The author of the opening post in this thread blames Jews for conspiring to cause Obama to lose support, but he/she has the sequence of the chicken/egg phenomena reversed. Any Jew who would vote for a man surrounded by those who hate Jews is blinded and in denial, so one really cannot blame most in the Jewish community for seeing through the cloud and perceiving the very real threat that lies at the center.

Posted by: Clarity | April 28, 2008 8:01 AM | Report abuse

i'm not interested in your kind of change,brother-man.

Posted by: gunclinger | April 28, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Obama is our Savior. Obama, Ayers, and Reverend Wright are Right! God D*** america! The stupid, bitter, racist "typical white people" of pennsylvania voted for clinton. How disgusting, now they have even more blood on their hands! They ignored their opportunity to redeem themselves for their racist past - slavery - and finally make Michelle proud. How sad. Please no hater responses, but you bitter, typical Indiana white people, please stop buying guns and save it for my reparations check! Obama ''08, Repartions Check, ''09! http://www.npr.org/programs/specials/racism/0108 27.reparations.html

Posted by: Obamamania | April 28, 2008 7:48 AM | Report abuse

I watched Rev. Wright's NAACP address broadcast on CNN last night, and offer the following comments from a white person.

I'm skipping the obvious and going more to how I think a white person would respond to the address.

Firstly, it was clearly coming from a defensive mindset despite the triumphalist attitudes and trumpeting vocalizations. Rev. Wright took pains to list the academic credentials of black ethnologists and explain in simple, clear terms what their work was. He repeatedly tried to emphasize the rigor of their work and its usefulness. That defensiveness, and repeated appeal to elitism revealed a deep insecurity about he and his Churches perceived social status and lack of intellectual merit in its beliefs.

I spent the entire time listening and following his talk, not thinking about my own ideas about the subject he raised. But afterward, the biggest question on my mind was, what in the hell was his argument? I found his microtalks about specifics of music ethnology (African vs. European) really interesting where he was giving pure info about studies, but the arguments he built on such info was confusing to me. To spend so much time explaining carefully how "different does not mean deficient", he clearly thought that the disapproval of his sermon videos that went viral was due to some prejudice on the part of America. Rev. Wright clearly doesn't understand that his sermons were inappropriate, and not just because white people don't get prophetic speech or the vocalization of distress.

He was clearly defending against being cast as an ignorant, ranting street preacher, and that's a psychological problem on his part. He was clearly arguing, painting verbal pictures and getting laugh lines in, about how stupid white people are in mistaking "different" for "deficient".

Rev. Wright got laughs from his sarcasm expressed in mimicking white people's music, speaking voices, learning processes, all in an attempt to explain how African American traits aren't invalid, just different. He is clearly casting the disapproval of his sermons as the manifestation of white racism and shallow cultural thinking that looks down on them because they are "different".

Rev. Wright still doesn't get how mentally unstable, vain, arrogant, racist and ignorant were the sermons that went viral. The disapproval of him wasn't about black religion, music, voices, learning processes or rejection of difference. It was about him personally as an inappropriate, paranoid demagogue who used 9/11 in self-serving, politically masturbatory way. After 9/11 any fringe lunatic with a grudge against the U.S. could jump on it proclaiming their hatred of the states was vindicated. Wright engaged in that, in his sermon. Wright doesn't get that the disapproval is about him, not white rejection of Afrocentric traits.

Rev. Wright's speech to the NAACP was, unfortunately, more evidence that he's got a lot of grudges and prejudice, and that he views all political events and public opinion through the lens of a racist, shallowly condescending view of white people that Obama and his wife Michelle have sent signals that they seem to share.

Posted by: Bewildered White Person | April 28, 2008 7:44 AM | Report abuse

Preachers like Reverend Wright are hypocrites. They preach us against them to fill their coffers but choose to retire in a safe, gated, upscale, white neighborhood. His Afro-centric ministry, and Anti-American rants are all for the Black masses - it disavows any responsibility they have for their own situation. He feeds into the notion that Black culture and Black work ethic are not to blame - it's whites and their government. Now that he no longer preaches for TUC, he should move back to the motherland to retire.

Posted by: David | April 28, 2008 7:29 AM | Report abuse

A Jewish Democrat is an oxymoron in the year 2008.

The Bill Moyers' interview of Rev. Wright was very revealing. This nutty preacher is still stuck on the slave ship of 300 years ago. He boasts that he can get away with outrageous statements in America - that would get him killed in many other countries of the world - for treason.

Americans do not want to elect a president who has been listening to treason for 20 years. It is a no wonder that his wife has no pride in her country.

Posted by: alance | April 28, 2008 7:28 AM | Report abuse

B.O. is done...McCain is our next President, and Amen to that! This radical nut job Wright is killing B.O. little by little each day. No way Americans will support such rabid hatred and ignorance.

Posted by: Marc | April 28, 2008 7:27 AM | Report abuse


The powers that be sure are getting nervous about the possibility of someone not beholden to special interest getting into the white house. They've spent years arguing that the President is omnipotent and his decisions can never be challenged. The idea that someone they can't control might get in there is scaring the cr*p out of them. They will use every trick in the book and more to stop him.

Compared to the skanky stuff both McCain and Clinton have done, Obama is as pure as driven snow. The good news is that the loudest screamers are the kool-aid drinking dead-enders who still support Bush. I can't wait to watch all their heads explode when Obama is inaugurated in '09.

Posted by: thebob.bob | April 28, 2008 1:14 AM

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Obama's raising significantly more money than either of them, so regardless of whether he's been indebted to special interests in the past, he's certainly indebted to them now. Obama has been successful mainly because he's been an empty screen that people can project their own hopes upon. But like a man who is standing on the North Pole, when he does take a step he will be heading South. Every time he is defined or defines himself, he alienates a portion of his often contradictory support.

Posted by: Robert17 | April 28, 2008 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Watched Wright's entire speech last night. Man, should everyone be ashamed. I bet he is scary to most Christians and Jews. I am a white who would go to his church every Sunday if I lived in your Country. I have said all along, we the people can and will change the world.
Excellent speech. A Canadian.

Posted by: justadad55 | April 28, 2008 7:25 AM | Report abuse

In regard to the first post, I think to properly understand what is being said a division between church and state needs to be recognized; similarly, the types of things that tend to occur when no such division exist.

Once this is understood, I think what was written can be taken in the context it was meant.

In essence, from a religious stand point, absolutely nothing is said of Judaism. What is commented on is the mere fact that there exist political bodies that harken back to Judaism, and these political bodies tend to have agendas and look to ensuring that their agenda is furthered. To confuse such practices with the religion itself is a grave mistake.

To cite a popular example, where people tend to be able easily differentiate where religion stops and political agenda begins, take Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church as an example. One could cite Phelps and his church as evidence of Christians/Christianity being a proof of the fact that a Christian agenda exists that seeks out the destruction of homosexuals. However, generally speaking, people take a look at Phelps and his infamous message of "God Hates Fags" and can do little more but laugh at anyone that would tout it as a notion of proof that Christians, or more specifically Baptist, are in mass majorities out to destroy gays.

Judaism can be tricky area for multiple reasons. For one, one is hard pressed where one term is used to serve as a means of identifying a race while at the same time being used to identify a religion. In essence, use of the term "Jewish"/Jew can at times call on it's user to have to be ULTRA specific in order to make sure what they are talking about is understood.
When you top this off with the aforementioned necessity for one to often times differentiate between church and state, the need to be even more specific may be in order.

In regard to the first post here, personally I think specifics were brought up early on.
"Jewish Lobby including [AIPAC] American Israel Public Affairs Committe"
Right at this point it is let known that what is being discussed here is a political body that just happens to be comprised of persons that claim to be Jewish.

Does the Nation of Islam represent all of Islam or Islamic blacks?
Does the NAACP represent the views of all persons of color?
Does Al Queda represent the views of all Muslims?
Does Phelps represent the views of all Christians?

Yet in all these cases, if one is not careful to differintiate between church and state, statements such as the following could be made and misunderstood:

"Christian Lobby groups like the Christian Action Network are vexed, frustrated and displeased with Barack Obama's refusal to accept special interest money and consequentially seek his crucifixion. The concern is that the Senator's policy prevents them from exerting influence or extracting favor from his administration should he become the next President in these United States of America. In an effort to allay their fears, Senator Obama has offered his assurance that if elected, an Obama administration would not be a foe- yet this does not seem to halt their resistance to his candidacy. Reportedly, Senator Clinton's campaign saw an opening to exploit the Christian community's apprehension and began stoking the anti-Obama fire behind the scene......"

to further assist in this example, I'll note that the Christian Action Network dispatched a mailing back in Feb. 2000 urging it's members to vote Republican. The mailing included the following:
"I am not ready to give this great nation over to one-world government extremists...radical, disease-carrying homosexuals...or anti-family lesbian feminists...or hate-mongering atheists who despise our religious beliefs...or the ACLU who would deny us our free speech rights...or anti-American U.N. globalists!"

That all said, for those that know who the Christian Action Network are, I don't think there is much confusion on that while (in this hypothetical example) Obama may be having issues with CAN and "Christian" members of CAN, there is absolutely NO issue going on between Obama and Christianity itself.

Finally, back in 1513 Machiavelli wrote what I consider to be the most influential piece on how to gain, maintain, and exert political influence in his book "The Prince"; in fact I often refer to the book as "The Playbook" given how frequently (to this day) it's tenets are adhered to [and one is hard pressed to find a single sersious student of Political Science that has not studied the book at some point or other]. Morality issues aside, I think one is hard pressed to completely ridicule the logics Machiavelli presented in the book. That said, I think it's apt to take a look at works like "The Prince" (and other classical Political Science text) and then again examine what exactly was said in the first post.
It's not as if it's being claimed that a political body was acting in a surprising matter with Obama. And really, you could swap, what in this case is a "Jewish" political body with any number of political bodies and expect similar results to arise.
In essence, as I noted earlier, religion is relative non-issue in regard to what was said in the first post.

One could debate into eternity whether or not such behaviors and practices as are "claimed' (I personally don't know how true the claim is) to be going on with some Jewish lobbyist groups are morally "good" or "bad", but unless we choose to ignore the realities of the modern political world, we can not reject their realities or the historical track records of effectiveness that give reason for such methods to continue on in mass today.

Posted by: Alien | April 28, 2008 7:06 AM | Report abuse

please think very carefully about who you want to be president of the united states of america. i have spent the evening listening to jerimaih wright's sermons. he was obama's minister..this guy (the minister) is a bigot and only wants our country to be divided...after spending this evening listening to what wright is saying...i will never in this life vote for obama if he supports this fella...i am so tired of feeling guilty about the black and white situation in our country....i only want us all to come together, and i thought that maybe obama could bring us into some kind of harmony, but his minister is a "JERK"... PLEASE STUDY VERY CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU VOTE I HAVE DECIDED TO VOTE FOR HILLARY-----and I have studied very carefully about both people running..even reading both of their books..even my grandma was going to vote for obama...she is also disgusted with this stupid minister...A VOTE FOR HILLARY IS BETTER THAN THAT JERK...HOPE YOU GET A CHANCE TO LISTEN TO HIS RANTING AND RAVING JEREMIAH WRIGHT IS JUST PLAIN STUPID

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 6:54 AM | Report abuse

Watching Wright's (entire)speech last night was a little bit like watching an 11 year old sneer at and mock someone who'd criticized him and a little bit like watching a professional victim talking himself right back into the comfort zone of his victimhood.

Sneering, ranting, hating and blaming others for the past is a lot easier and a lot more attention getting than doing the work of getting on with life, striving to overcome your own problems and owning up to the wrong you've said and done. Wright refuses to be held accountable for the undeniable hatred embedded in his sermons. He just rewrites the delivery and continues to preach to his own sense of victimization. He's undoubtedly influenced some of Obama's thinking...as Obama's mentor and spiritual advisor of 20 years...wait, strike that - as Obama's former pastor.

Posted by: Lynn | April 28, 2008 6:37 AM | Report abuse

The Federal Income Tax Lien for $48,000.00 filed against Rev. Wright

www.webofdeception.com

Posted by: Robert Lewis | April 28, 2008 6:20 AM | Report abuse

Nobel Laureate Dr. James Watson says Blacks are inferior intellectually to Whites. True?

Posted by: BHO | April 28, 2008 6:09 AM | Report abuse

"Do they forget there (their) "own country sold them into slavery in the first place".

The buyer was as guilty as the seller. Guess who was the buyer?

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Its nice to see how the Aryan nations and five percenter posters above have joined hands in their anti-semetic slurs to back Barack Obama.

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Posted by: rev hon'ble mr makhan lal ghosh, fellow, w r institue, new york | April 28, 2008 5:09 AM | Report abuse

Hallelujah and Amen! What a triumph for our cherished First Amendment freedoms! A cerebral conversation between two great Americans, Bill Moyers and Rev. Wright while displaying Rev. Wright's sermons in context. Hopefully this will stop the vulgar misrepresentation of Rev. Wright and Senator Obama!

In AMERICAN - HOME OF THE BRAVE AND LAND OF THE FREE, there is a Constitutional separation of church and state. Rev. Wright is in his country, in his church, using his cherished First Amendment freedoms for which his people fought, sacrificed and died. Any insidious ingrate that cannot display reverence and respect for our cherished First Amendment freedoms and for those who sacrificed so much for them don't deserve to live in Rev. Wright's country.

Ignorance and racism are synonymous! America's greatest sin is slavery! The most silent places during slavery were the white churches in the south. Those who display such a virulent lack of respect for our most PATRIOTIC Americans are obviously not aware of the sacrifices African Americans have made for this country since 1619.

Rev. Wright has demonstrated his superiority by remaining levels above those ingrates who are attempting a "lynching" of Rev. Wright to diminish Senator Obama. I believe we 'real' Americans will not tolerate such abuse for these great Americans who have made valuable contributions to America!

Chagrined

Posted by: Chagrined | April 28, 2008 4:09 AM | Report abuse

Karl, yes he did.

And every day that the GOP is in power that observation comes one day closer to fruition.

When McCain talks about tax cuts which will add $5 trillion of new debt in 10 years on top of $10 trillion worth of existing debt -- McCain is effectively damning the U.S. into insolvency.

Yet some Americans are more outraged by the words spoken by a preacher 6 years ago in the pulpit (words taken out of context no less), than the economic policies of a tax-cut and spending Republican which actually endanger the financial well-being of this country.

Now that's saying something about misplaced anger and priorities.

Posted by: JP2 | April 28, 2008 4:09 AM | Report abuse

Wright is intelligent and had totally different messages in his church and now publicly. I don't know which one is the real Wright, but my guess would be the 20 or 30 year at his church.

Posted by: Sean | April 28, 2008 4:01 AM | Report abuse

Reverend Wright said "God D*** America."

Posted by: Karl | April 28, 2008 3:41 AM | Report abuse

Ah yes, affirmative action, Anon 2:54 AM -- that is the biggest problem.

Never mind that most schools would probably reject your application simply because you don't know how to spell the 2 cent word "immigrant". Learn to spell, and then you can start whining about the injustice of "affirmative action" programs.

Here's a hint too -- the biggest impact on wage growth in this country comes from tax-policy and trade policy -- especially at the bottom of the scale. Affirmative action is a smokescreen for what Goebels and Rove would call the GOP's base of "useful idiots". They are simply ignorant suckers.

Posted by: JP2 | April 28, 2008 3:31 AM | Report abuse

I am not doing anything more than Rev. Wright did. He can say what he wants, so can you, my question is why am I not "allowed"?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 3:31 AM | Report abuse

I am not doing anything more than Rev. Wright did. He can say what he wants, so can you, my question is why am I not "allowed"?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 3:27 AM | Report abuse

I am not doing anything more than Rev. Wright did. He can say what he wants, so can you, my question is why am I not "allowed"?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 3:27 AM | Report abuse

Anon 2:43 AM -- please define "fringe left" in concrete policy terms.

e.g.

Would you consider balanced budgets to be a "fringe left" idea? (The "fringe left" as I understand it has done a much better job than so-called "fiscal conservatives" over the past 30 years in that area).

What about social security -- is that a "fringe left" idea?

How about engaging in wars based on realistic assumptions and just cause (Afghanistan, not Iraq) -- is that some "crazy" fringe left idea?

I know some of the biggest leftists in this country -- former Sens. Nunn and Boren -- have thrown their lot in with Obama. But I'm curious to hear how you define your terms.

Here's a hint too -- the Nazis' history shows that they had absolutely no tolerance for even differences in pigmentation. They made racial policy a corner-stone of their election strategy -- an even more insidious version of the GOP's southern strategy.

Your analogy is weak and lazy, but maybe you've thought this one through. Dazzle with your genius Ubermensch.

Posted by: JP2 | April 28, 2008 3:27 AM | Report abuse

Puzzling set of responses. Hard to see it start off with an attack on Jews or attempt to increase the divide. It's true that some work to create that division as well scaring other groups about Obama. This article titled "Smearing Obama" explains where some of it comes from. But blaming The Jews or The Blacks or The Whites or The Any Race or Religion is ALWAYS off base.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080331/berman

And poster named "Typical White Person" I can only be glad that you lie or make careless mistakes, thus I can believe you are lying or very mistaken about being typical.
You said "No hope. The only change will be the obsession of talking about race. Barry mentioned race 2 or 3 times in the interview today on FOX - before he was ever asked about race."
So I went to the transcript.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352785,00.html
It starts this way:
WALLACE: Senator Obama, welcome to "Fox News Sunday."

OBAMA: Thank you for having me.

WALLACE: Long time no see.

OBAMA: Well, you know, it takes me about 772 days to prepare for these questions, but -- although I think there was a -- this was a leap year in there, so I think it's only 771.

WALLACE: No, I think we checked that.
Anyway, your defeat in Pennsylvania raises new questions about your candidacy and especially about some of the pillars of the Democratic base.

Let's take a look at the numbers. Among white union households, Clinton beat you 72 percent to 28 percent. Among white Catholics, again, same margin -- 72 percent to 28 percent.
Senator, why are you having such trouble convincing white working class voters that you're their guy?"

Let us hope the typical human does not believe or spread lies, checks facts for themselves and is indeed aware that difference is not deficiency.

I had friends (white) that went to Wright's church when they lived in Chicago though I didn't know it was the same one until the clips started being played. They called me outraged that this great preacher and church were being portrayed this way. They loved the church in part because their Christian faith urges them to do good works, to help others and they'd never been part of a church so involved in that.
By the time they called me I had already listened to or read his full sermons, read what other ministers and parishioners had to say and knew how wrongly the media was representing him, as though these minutes from 20+ years were who he was.
The media know or could have. An example:
On his March 30th "This Week" it came up twice. First Cynthia Tucker said her brother and friends went there and it was really quite mainstream conventional. Her brother found it conservative because of the sermons emphasis on family and responsibility and that more should be shown. George hanged the subject.
At the end if that segment George asked Jay Carney of Time Magazine if we'd be hearing more about Wright soon. Carney said reporters had been culling through years of sermons ever since it broke and hadn't found anything that controversial so the story seemed essentially over. George moved on.
THE OTHER SERMONS IN THOSE YEARS ARE NOT CONTROVERSIAL SO THERE IS NO STORY?
Still ABC attacked as if they never heard Wright isn't a crazy man.

Obama has a lot of false rumors and distortions to fight through, a crazy Wright, Ayers, Farrakhan, Muslim, blah, blah. None of the insinuations are true.

Thanks to all who see without hate, who honor truth, whoever you are voting for. Let it become true that we are the typical humans.

Posted by: Joyn | April 28, 2008 3:27 AM | Report abuse

I am not doing anything more than Rev. Wright did. He can say what he wants, so can you, my question is why am I not "allowed"?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 3:27 AM | Report abuse

Anon 2:43 AM -- please define "fringe left" in concrete policy terms.

e.g.

Would you consider balanced budgets to be a "fringe left" idea? (The "fringe left" as I understand it has done a much better job than so-called "fiscal conservatives" over the past 30 years in that area).

What about social security -- is that a "fringe left" idea?

How about engaging in wars based on realistic assumptions and just cause (Afghanistan, not Iraq) -- is that some "crazy" fringe left idea?

I know some of the biggest leftists in this country -- former Sens. Nunn and Boren -- have thrown their lot in with Obama. But I'm curious to hear how you define your terms.

Here's a hint too -- the Nazis' history shows that they had absolutely no tolerance for even differences in pigmentation. They made racial policy a corner-stone of their election strategy -- an even more insidious version of the GOP's southern strategy.

Your analogy is weak and lazy, but maybe you've thought this one through. Dazzle with your genius Ubermensch.

Posted by: JP2 | April 28, 2008 3:27 AM | Report abuse

You mean to tell me that over 200 years of slavery and oppression pissed off the blacks?? And now they're *gulp* TALKING?? Frankly?? O, the horror. The horror.

200 hundred years and counting huh? See that is what I mean.It will never die. It just keeps going and going and going.


All Rev. Wright did is publicy expose hate and bigorty within the black community.

Rev. Wright "bringing bigot back".


God Bless us all Tiny Tim. Now matter what happens we will never be able to "REPAY" the black populas untill we breathe no more. It's that simple.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 3:09 AM | Report abuse

Why is the reverend's clip cut so small yet the white man's is prolonged to part two? These shows the racist attitude of the gutter American media.

Posted by: Themba | April 28, 2008 2:58 AM | Report abuse

You mean to tell me that over 200 years of slavery and oppression pissed off the blacks?? And now they're *gulp* TALKING?? Frankly?? O, the horror. The horror.


"Why won't this story DIE?" -Steven T. Colbert

Posted by: Shocked and Awwwed | April 28, 2008 2:57 AM | Report abuse

The old blame game just doesn't work anymore, so the Victicrats have to recreate the 1950's and '60's so they still have a base of support. And can continue with Affirmative Action in order to pass racism on to another generation. White people that don't get accepted to certain jobs and schools because they are the "wrong" color.

I know most of us immagrants "we are that nation" have learned we get no where by holding on to the wrongs of what our "forefathers" have done.

Wright is free to openly vent his view and comments. When will it end? When will we decide to be Americans----

How long does the embitterment have to be preached? How long do we all have to suffer because of things "we" never suffered and endured get thrown in our face? How long do we have to forfiet in the name of forefather?

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 2:54 AM | Report abuse

Simone Posted:

That type of hate found on this blog is shameful and if it takes tracking down the computer it was sent from to expose the bigot than it is worth risking a family members job! The person that sent that blog has a job and may work with African Americans and I feel that it is time for these type of thoughts that do not represent me as a southern white woman in 2008 get exposed.
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Hope the WaPo is ready for a great big LAWSUIT!

It doesn't surprise me that you support Obama...the fringe left is so sure that they have the "right" ideology that if it takes force to "reeducate" the ignorant masses, then so be it - right? The only diversity the far left supports is color - not ideology. Seig Heil baby!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 2:43 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Simone
... My brother works for the Washington post and I am going to forward this out to have the IP address tracked to your home computer...

Posted by: Simone

Sounds like cyber stalking.........a the very least a silence threat. Shut up or I'll??????


Are we not all saying you can say what you want {"Wright"} If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.

Yeah, Yeah I know your sendung my name to your brother. :{

Posted by: Us Voter | April 28, 2008 2:41 AM | Report abuse

2:26AM Post: Blacks say "we" brought them here. Do they forget there "own country sold them into slavery in the first place".
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True. But the main thing that the Victicrat blacks miss is that most of us included in the "we" are descendants of immigrants from the late-1800's to early 1900's. WE (our ancestors at least) weren't here til after the Civil War! WE Catholics fought the KKK in the 1920's when they terrorized towns like Carnegie, PA because the KKK isn't fond of Catholics either.

The old blame game just doesn't work anymore, so the Victicrats have to recreate the 1950's and '60's so they still have a base of support. And can continue with Affirmative Action in order to pass racism on to another generation. White people that don't get accepted to certain jobs and schools because they are the "wrong" color.

Posted by: Pennsylvania is Clinton Country | April 28, 2008 2:39 AM | Report abuse

Shannon,

Read my statement more carefully. I said, "...if we accept Wright's argument, the reason a much higher percentage of African-Americans are in prison is because they just can't obey the basic rules of civilized society. AS A SOCIETY WE DON'T WANT TO GO THERE!"

Obviously, I don't believe that, but I do believe it is easy to twist J Wright's speech to support that arguement.

However, it was nice to see we are in agreement about class. Class is almost the only thing that matters. If you are born into poverty you will probably stay in poverty, regardless of your race, and you have a much higher chance of going to prison, regardless of your race. Not too many rich guys, black or white end up down a Huntsville. You know that's a fact.

Also, I maybe the only American trying to decide between McCain and Obama, but that's where I'm at. I voted for Kerry and Gore and I haven't supported a GOP candidate since Bush 41. So, I'm no poser.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 2:36 AM | Report abuse

That type of hate found on this blog is shameful and if it takes tracking down the computer it was sent from to expose the bigot than it is worth risking a family members job! The person that sent that blog has a job and may work with African Americans and I feel that it is time for these type of thoughts that do not represent me as a southern white woman in 2008 get exposed. I am just at the point of being fed racists that hide behinds walls or computers but have to work with the very people they talk about. I know that I have a connection and it will be used. Racist need to be exposed and I will do everything in my power before I leave this earth to expose the evil that divides us. America has an ugly history and I embrace and try to understand it with love while others may choose out of fear to dismiss it and resort to bigoted language in blogs. We have tracked other bloggers and this is know different. Racist must be exposed at every level in order for this divide to lesson! God Bless for you know not what you do or what the consequences will be when everyone finds out what you do!

Posted by: Simone | April 28, 2008 2:32 AM | Report abuse

One more thing Scary Shannon...
Always remember "different doesn't mean deficient". :P

Posted by: hmmmmmmmmmm | April 28, 2008 2:27 AM | Report abuse

Charlie-Let's START with Blocking HR 1940-Birthright Citizenship Act. Only the single most important piece of legislation during my 48 Years of life.

Then, 300 Congressional Oversight Reviews in the first 100 Days-that never produced SQUAT!

And I can go on and on...

Quite simply, the WORST Speaker, EVER!

THAT, is what gets something 11 % Approval, But I prefer to think of it as;

9 out of 10, True Americans, Don't Support Dimocrat Congress'!

Face it, they are REALLY THAT BAD! :-(

Posted by: RAT-The | April 28, 2008 2:27 AM | Report abuse

SAD! SAD! SAD! when a country is going down it does look ugly! All that in the name of racism! Who will think that in 2008 America would be the last standing racist wall of South Africa!
This all racism nonsense does look ugly! how much more blood does this nation want from racism. It is like we're getting ready to implode!!!
What a shame!

You want your country....you want Africa, go get it, no one is stoping you. Blacks say "we" brught them here. Do they forget there "own country sold them into slavery in the first place".

You sound more like a damn uprising taking over the "oppressor" shouting see, see, we've all come together and now is our time black time. Africa time. They sold you. Hello?

You've blamed white and whites hid your contempt. We tried to heal, tried to give you whatever your loudmouth cries and chants wanted. We tried. No we see, you will never let go.

The black race will forever hold to the end of time this hate. Thats the true oppression of their people.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 2:26 AM | Report abuse

Condoskeeza sat in a cabinet meeting and authorized torture - she should be prosecuted for that.
Condoskeeza is one of the main architects of the Iraq War that has killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians and thousands of our kids. -she should be prosecuted for the bad advice she gave Bush as National Security Advisor.

Wright's words would have been equally damning if it were Colin Powell he was talking about.

If Condoskeeza Rice is so skillful and experienced, why has America's standing in the world reached it's lowest possible point during her watch as our chief diplomat?

Why, if Condoskeeza is such an expert in Russian Affairs, has Putin outmaneuvered Bush on everything that matters for the last 8 years.

There's no peace in the Middle East
Our allies in Lebanon and Pakistan have been assassinated
Oil security is at a low
Russia has successfully prevented NATO from expanding the way America wants.
China can do what it wants around the world because we're in Iraq on a Bank of China credit card.
The president of Afghanistan is literally running from Taliban and Al Qaeda sniper fire in April 2008, 7 years after we started chasing Bin Laden and rebuilding Afghanistan.
Iran's hardliners are pushing for a nuclear fuel cycle and America has no credibility to advance its case speedily in the UN.
The Green Zone, supposedly the safest place in Iraq, is under constant rocket bombardment.

Come on! If, with such a dismal record, Bush is a competent national security and foreign policy president, a college dropout can do his job.

Conoskeeza gets a straight D-minus for her job performance.

I mean, is there anything

Posted by: Teitra | April 28, 2008 2:25 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Simone
... My brother works for the Washington post and I am going to forward this out to have the IP address tracked to your home computer...

Posted by: Simone

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Wow Simone, I'm sure your brother will be thrilled to get your e-mail. Are you a member of the thought police?

Now please tell us what you plan to do to "McNut" once you find out where he lives.

Many WaPo posters would like to know who is tracking what we say to our homes.

And you probably think Bush Administration is bad? Ha...you are doing the same thing - worse even. Intimidating posters. Regardless of what he said, (which I think was being sarcastic anyway - pretending to be McCain), all one has to do here is to report abuse. If you want to track people down where they live, I think you are a scary person!

Guess I had better be careful, or I will be next!

I hope your brother gets fired if he gives you the information.

Posted by: hmmmmmmmmmm | April 28, 2008 2:20 AM | Report abuse

Shanon of Dallas,
I agree with everything that you have said. Just think about how a distractor like a constitutional ban on gay marriage could carry more weight than the lives of our soldires. I know in my heart that if Kerry was elected President, we would all be far better off than we are today. That is why I believe in my heart of hearts that Obama will lead us through this no matter what color you are. Obama has white blood and black blood and represents all of God's children. I am just so dissapointed that Hillary exploited the fears of working class voters thus insighting additional racial divide. IE did anyone realize that Hillary has sat in the Pew of Rev Wrights church Bill Clinton invited REV Wright to the White House for a spiritual cleansing after the Monica problem. Those that already hate Obama will just use Rev Wright as another way to attack Obama but it will not work. I think the tide is turning in this country and America needs to embrace it. The world is watching people!

Posted by: Simone | April 28, 2008 2:19 AM | Report abuse

Rat,

The reason that Congress has an 11% percent approval rating is because the rightwing talk radio guys blast them daily. Also, Congress in general always gets poorer numbers than individual congressman or senators.

Also, whatever the Congress has done or not done in the last 18 months it is in no way comprable to the seven years of corruption and mismanagment we have suffered under from the GOP in both the White House and Congress when they were in charge.

Really? What has Pelosi done that has you so irrate? Hate is a pretty strong word. I assume her actions have had a crushing impact on your daily life for you to actually hate her. What did she do to you?


Posted by: Charlie | April 28, 2008 2:19 AM | Report abuse


Hey right? Hey sharpton?

Guess what.

Now that you two think you are hot sh*t with being in the media and you get coverage...

You just elected hillary the c*nt as your next president.

I really wish you would have thought about what you were doing.

Barak Obama would have been the best president this country could have ever had. BAR NONE.

Posted by: a sad american | April 28, 2008 2:18 AM | Report abuse

Charlie,

Who do you think you're fooling? I'll make short work of what you've written by saying.

1.) Maybe more blacks are in jail, because more blacks live in poverty. This was the most offensive statement you made. More people are living below the poverty line today than when Bush took office. The biggest corporations are earning record profits as are CEOs earning record salaries. McCain wants to continue with Bush's economic policy.

2.) You're assuming that blacks and whites share the same cultural upbringing. The issue between the way blacks and whites learn may have more to do with how children are reared.

3.) Who cares what the KKK posts on their website? Do I care what Al Qaeda puts on their website? Al Qaeda posts pictures and quotes from George Bush every day.

4.) The fact is that there is far too much variation within races to make the concept of race very valuable. This is true. Barack Obama would agree with you as he does not favor quota systems or affrimative action programs that solely focus on race. Race can be one of the factors in striving for diversity but it should in no way be to sole factor in providing opportunity to all disadvantaged Americans regardless of race. These are Barack Obama's stated views as I heard them.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 2:17 AM | Report abuse

In Wright's words; Is the God of the Slave Master on the deck of the ship the same God as the God of the slave lying bleeding in chains on a dead compatriot's vomit in the hold of the ship?

You see the world from where you've been.

Telling Wright to shut up about racism is like telling Jews to chill about the Holocaust. It ain't gonna happen.

If it takes Obama not being elected for "conservative, blue collar" whatever-label-you-wanna-give-it racism in America to be addressed openly and honestly, so be it.
Most white racists over age 50 can't accept that blacks are different but equal to them. Most blacks above age 50 still feel angry about the America they grew up in and they still feel the hurt of discrimination.


Posted by: truthtopower | April 28, 2008 2:14 AM | Report abuse

If Wright truly believes that different doesn't mean deficient then why does he find it appropriate to call the Secy of State "Condoskeeza"?

Or perhaps it is OK to "ride dirty" in the pulpit as long as the "difference" is ideological, not racial or geographical?

As long as you are a leftist victicrat you are OK by him. Anyone who disagrees with him (Obama's crazy uncle) is fair game...therefore deficient and subject to vulgar ridicule!

Posted by: Typical White Person | April 28, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

Shannon of Dallas-Bush is no pleasant thought, but I can quite Honestly say, Nancy Pelosi has taught me genuine HATRED for certain politicians and the idiotic Partisan based Misconduct.

Can you say: 11% Approval for Congress?

Bushie, is 3 x's as POPULAR!

IF, it was NOT for Clowns like San Fran Nan, He would probably be even more Popular!

Face it, between Daschle, Reid, and Pelosi, 4 of those 8 years have been a President having to deal with some REAL Butt-Heads!

NOBODY, should feel they were elected to become Contrary Obstructing Turkeys! Who in their right minds would WANT our Government Fouled up?

Besides Dimocrat Socialists?

Posted by: RAT-The | April 28, 2008 2:11 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who could be offended with Wright's speech tonight is frankly too angry with the truth to say ouch.
There will always be haters but the truth is the truth.

Wright didn't dodge responsibility and duty for his country when called and served 5 years, unlike Bush, Cheney and Bill Clinton.

He's spent his life fighting against racial prejudice and I'm sure it really hurts some white people to see the hypocrisy of racism and "proper" christianity exposed.

Think about it, white people prayed to Jesus for decades while voting to keep Jim Crow laws on the books. What the hell is that?

Posted by: Yeah! | April 28, 2008 2:05 AM | Report abuse

what is sad, is that wright, and sharpton, and all these vocal black speakers are going to hurt america's one chance to elect a decent president.

america is full of bigoted people. they won't admit it, but it is true. and wright now coming out of the woodwork, and sharpton doing the same.. it will further segregate out country.

i wish obama could just run on his own merits.. and i wish everyone else WOULD JUST SHUT THE F* UP.

Posted by: presGWBfanclub | April 28, 2008 2:02 AM | Report abuse

Simone,

I truly think we've moved beyond that. I think a lot of people regret what happened to Kerry and to Gore. Some people lost loved ones to the war in Iraq after not supporting Kerry because he didn't support a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. Some people lost their homes and are now wondering if the $300 tax rebate helped them. They're wondering why they can't afford to fill up their gas tanks.

The people on the other side, right-wing Republicans, are afraid that we'll run them out of office for the next 30 years.

It's a real battle, but reason is on our side.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 2:00 AM | Report abuse

shame on you Charlie, SHAME!!!

Posted by: Simone | April 28, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

I watched the Bill Moyers interview. Thank God for Bill Moyers, who is the only media person to date who has given this man a fair opportunity to defend himself, and the only one who's bothered to ask thoughtful probing questions intended to give us a better understanding of the man and his ministry. It's just a shame it ever came to this, since the media has already crucified Rev Wright and done their damage. From watching the interview with Mr. Moyers, Rev. Wright is certainly no radical lunatic, as he's been portrayed by the MSM. He was correct in saying there was no miscommunication with his congregation who heard his entire sermons, as opposed to the media who took snippets out of context and played them over and over. There is nothing hateful or anti-American about this man. It's disheartening that the MSM news networks do such a grave disservice to this country. It's also unfortunate that so many Americans are far too gullible.

Posted by: spicegal | April 28, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

The person that just added the racist remarks about slavery on this blog should be ashamed of yourself. My brother works for the Washington post and I am going to forward this out to have the IP address tracked to your home computer. You should be ashamed of yourself. What makes you think that an anoymous blog is really anoymous. My brother is a computer wiz for many companies including the Post and I am forwarding this blog to him as we speak. Shame on you and I hope you know that you may hide behind the PC for now but God has already exposed you for those vile words Mcnut!

Posted by: Simone | April 28, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

PLEASE DON'T INSULT PEOPLE INTELLIGENCE!
BEN LADIN KILLED OVER 3,000 AMERICANS FOR HIS OWN REASONS...

THOSE "PATRIOTS" WHO CALLED UP THE IRAQ WAR CAUSED THE DEATH OR "KILLED" (CHOOSE EITHER ONE) OVER 4,000 AMERICANS...FOR REASONS ONLY KNOWN TO THEMSELVES, NOT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC.

HOWEVER, ONE IS CALLED "TERRORIST" AND THE OTHER ONE "PATRIOT" ...Meanwhile Ben Ladin is still on the loose getting stronger while we're obviously getting weaker by the month.
WHAT IS WRONG IN THIS SCENARIO ? OR RATHER WHAT IS THE COMMON DENOMINATOR IN THIS SCENARIO.

MAY GOD REALLY BLESS AMERICA! NOW MORE THAN EVER!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

Wow what hatred.. You know the Koran says you all have to kill each other to settle your differences. Your bible says it also. Please line up to the right and left and breath the gas deeply... Goodbye ...

Posted by: Robinhood | April 28, 2008 1:56 AM | Report abuse

First, J. Wright's speech was a mixed bag. The first five minutes and the last five minutes were compelling and cogent. The middle forty minutes was dangerous and half crazy. He's obviously intelligent, but he's also clearly emotionally unstable.

Really, I feel sorry for Obama. I believe Wright is the most self-centered egotist to come on to the American political scene since perhaps.... Well, I really don't know. He reminds me a little of Al Sharpton, but I think for sheer ego he's closer in spirit to the worse sort of race baiting white Southern politicans, say George Wallace in 1962 or Theodore Bilbo in 1930.

Why can't he just shut up and wait until after the election to clear his good name? I'm a lukewarm Obama supporter and this speech simply raised more questions in my mind about Obama's judgment. How could he possibly sit in the pews and listen to this egomaniac for twenty years?

Wright's view of American history is clearly so wrapped up in his own personal experience that he can't see anything else. Everything is personal with him. He hates the thirty second video clip, but he handed the GOP and much worse groups half a dozen gems.

For instance, everyone who claims they thought that J Wright's speech in Detroit was genius owes an apology to David Duke. I lived in Louisiana when Duke ran for Governor on the GOP ticket, but without the support of the state party, and I am almost certain that he cited exactly the same evidence of "different learning capabilities" between the races.

Wright cited forty year old educational studies like they were some sort of revelation, but what he doesn't seem to realize is that his evidence will be cited tomorrow on KKK sites as evidence that affirmative action is a waste because African-Americans can't learn in a classroom setting. It's a very slippery slope from this speech to the "Bell Curve" and the NAACP was no fan of that work.

The fact is that there is far too much variation within races to make the concept of race very valuable. Class is a much better indicator of education, health, and future success in life than anything else. If you were born rich and black, you will probably die rich and black in Beverly Hills or Manhattan. If you were born white and poor than likely you will die in your trailer watching re-runs of "Mamma's Family."

If you don't believe that than why in the world would you support any civil rights legislation at all. If African-Americans don't learn logical material as well as whites then than that obviously explains why there are fewer black doctors, stockbrokers, and engineers. Luckily white folks and Asians are good at that stuff. THAT'S INSANE AND REALLLY, REALLY DANGEROUS!

Think about it. Maybe, if we accept Wright's argument, the reason a much higher percentage of African-Americans are in prison is because they just can't obey the basic rules of civilized society. AS A SOCIETY WE DON'T WANT TO GO THERE!

At its heart this was an awful speech. Yes, there are cultural differences, but I prefer to concentrate on the much more important similarities between the races. It makes a lot more sense to look at each person as an individual than to lump people into categories based on skin color.

Maybe, that makes me a conservative. I don't know, but if Bush was running again I would still vote for Obama even with J Wright as VP and Ralph Nader as Secretary of the Treasury and the former Weatherman Ayers as head of the CIA. Against, McCain.... I don't know for sure, but I believe there are a lot Americans in my position and I know this speech didn't help Obama with me.


Posted by: Charlie | April 28, 2008 1:55 AM | Report abuse

Listen everyone. Calm down. All that has happened here is the gloves have come off.

It's ok to be assoicated with a group that teaches hate. It's ok to be a bigot and run for president.

The only point I can see that has been strongly made is "it no longer matters if we attend a hate church or association" we can be whatever we wnat to be and still be President of the United States.

We are truly liberated. If it's ok for blacks then it is ok for everybody. Never more will we have to concern "ourselves" with our words or associations with a hate group.

Racism will never die because people will not let it. Again, thank you Rev. Wright for pointing out and liberating American to be free and proud to open and embrace this new concept.

Posted by: Us Voter | April 28, 2008 1:55 AM | Report abuse

I just wanted to add that I hope the Lord helps Hillary make the decison quick to step down because I fear of the implications. It is just not her time even though I do somewhat like her and wish her the best but I am telling you as the southern woman that I am that it is Obama's destiny I just have this strong conviction that this is true and will be come America's reality. We must come together people because the Republicans are hoping that there will be a riot at the convention and based on some of the racist post, I am afraid that something migh be brewing so people just take a chill pill and remember we are all on the same side...oh my I just cannot believe people are saying horrible things like this in 2008...

Posted by: Simone | April 28, 2008 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Who cares is Mc.Cain becomes President? No one really! How much worst can He be from the former President? What really matters to America is that a "black" man does not become the President! That's all that matters to most Americans really!
Why in the world should we be governed by our former slaves? Are you kidding me! Less than a couple of centuries later! Weren't they suppose to be all dead? We killed the indians okay! What's wrong with these Afro-Americans? Why can't they die like the indians and leave us alone! It was not part of the plan to leave any survivors behind once we build this country. They were our working horses! and boy did we work them to death! Now they want to be President! What went wrong in the plan?
Someone got to know...

Posted by: Mcnut. S. | April 28, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

I think any sensible person would take Rev. Wright over the George Bush, with the destruction he has caused in his 7 years as POTUS.
For those who damn Rev Wright, what is your response to Pinkville:
God bless America, or God damn America.

Posted by: Ted | April 28, 2008 1:46 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA IS GOING TO WIN NO MATTER WHAT TRUMPED UP CONTROVERSY COMES HIS WAY. I THINK THAT IT IS HIS DESTINY TO BE PRESIDENT AND I AM EXCITED TO HELP MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THE MEDIA IS THE DEVISIVE ONE BECAUSE THEY MAKE IT SEEM AS THOUGH OBAMA DOES NOT HAVE WHITE SUPPORT AND I AM A 40 YEAR OLD WORKING CLASS WHITE WOMAN WHO IS BITTER BECAUSE OF PRESIDENT BUSH AND UNDERSTAND THAT OBAMA WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT AND I WILL BE A PART OF THIS HISTORY. SUCH AN EXCITING TIME FOR AMERICA AND WE SHOULD CELEBRATE INSTEAD OF TEAR EACH OTHER DOWN. THOSE THAT ARE RACIST AND BIGOTS WILL GET THE FINAL JUDGEMENT OF THE LORD SO THOSE WITH EVIL INTENSIONS AND VILE TONGUES SHOULD BE VERY WEARY OF HOW THEY PROCEED FOR THE NEXT DAYS AND WEEKS TO COME.

GOD BLESS OBAMA TO COMPLETE HIS DESTINY!!

Posted by: Simone | April 28, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Jeremiah is WRIGHT!!! And many of hate and racists filled posts on this blog proves it beyond a doubt. Case Closed.

Posted by: Mitchell | April 28, 2008 1:43 AM | Report abuse

SAD! SAD! SAD! when a country is going down it does look ugly! All that in the name of racism! Who will think that in 2008 America would be the last standing racist wall of South Africa!
This all racism nonsense does look ugly! how much more blood does this nation want from racism. It is like we're getting ready to implode!!!
What a shame!

Posted by: Joe P. | April 28, 2008 1:42 AM | Report abuse

Watched the Wright speech on CNN - twice. Great speech - full of humor, serious concerns, and a consistent demonstration of Christian love -- all delivered with a wide range of skill, knowledge and talent.

I do not know if it will have any impact on Obama's quest but it certainly helped to explode the big load of manure that the hard-core racists and hypocritical right-wingers have been trying to pile on Wright and his church.

There can be no doubt that anyone watching Wright's entertaining speech tonight will come away with a smile and much better understanding of the value Wright brings to America -- the country he loves and has served for five decades. Semper Fi.

Posted by: Screwabunchof flag pins | April 28, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Good speech by Wright tonight -- hilarious, freewheeling, erudite, ambitious. I think he went off the rails a little bit on the differences in education (e.g. how much of the differences do we attribute to nurture/environment; how much is due to nature/genetics -- Wright is a bit unclear even though this is entirely open to debate).

However, the message was on the mark -- Difference does not necessarily mean deficiency. The sections on language and music were also first rate.

Not many minds, but perhaps a few were changed tonight for the better.

The "God Damn America" fixators will be pleading for voters to "embrace the stereotype" -- there will always be haters.

Life goes on.

Posted by: JP2 | April 28, 2008 1:34 AM | Report abuse

RAT-The,

Please, don't talk about 4 years after what we gone through over the last 7 years. I hate to think what the next 100 years might look like if McCain were elected President. It literally sickens me.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 1:33 AM | Report abuse

Sherry Kay,

Do you even realize what it means when you emphasize Obama's middle name? Is his middle name vile or something? Why do you find his middle name offensive?

Don't say you don't, because we all know that you don't think that Hussein is an offensive middle name.

You should know that there are soldiers serving in our military who also have arabic sounding names.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

Thank you, Rev. Wright! His speech inspired me far more than any tired speech by a typical politician. Obama should have stood up for his pastor more than he did. Rev. Wright will go down in history as one of the great soldiers for equality in this country. Remember, Dr. King was hated as much as Rev. Wright is today, and he was seen as anti-American. They KILLED him for God's sake! I only pray that people listen with an open mind and receive the speech for what it was....pure GENIUS!

Posted by: Daniel | April 28, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

What a speech, he is an intellectual and not just an ordinary preacher.Cnn is running it again and I want fair minded people to see it in full context.
I know we have 3 kinds of people in this debate,
those who will oppose Rev Wright regardless of what he will say or do, because Bill O Reilly or Sean Hannity made up there minds for them,
We also have those who will listen to him with the third ear, the third ear which is there to hear subliminal messages and spin them in the way to fit such a listener and constantly looking for that "Damn America line".
Finally we have the fair minded and empathetic people who will listen and then step into his shoes and see the sense in the man's message.
It is not a message of division but a message of inclusion.
I took a class in college called "Diversity in America" and i learned a lot from a white instructor about our diffrences and his message was just about the same as Mr Wright, i wish i had recorded his messages and put it on here, you would know that many people actually agree with his message.
I will sum this up in this way, when a baby is born, we feed the baby milk products because s/he is unable to digest the solid foods or the meats, i put those people who see Rev Wright as a divisive figure or racist in the category of babies. need more milk?
bravo to Rev Wright!

Posted by: francis | April 28, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Folks, I have heard enough about "Barry", and all his Baggage that finally has caught up with him, over just the last FOUR MONTHS;

To convince me, I sure don't want to have to put up with the GARBAGE for over FOUR YEARS!

Obasama, and all your Compatriots-GO AWAY! :-(

Posted by: RAT-The | April 28, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Typical White Person,

How many people were killed in Philadelphia this weekend, or died trying to crossover from Mexico into Arizona, or died in Washington D.C.

John McCain went to New Orleans over the weekend and said "never again" will the government respond to a natural disaster in same way that it did to Katrina. Yet, he voted to deny emergency funding to the area, and he voted against giving victims of Katrina access to Medicaid and unemployment benefits.

You mentioned the 2% poison in the glass of milk and it was a bogus comparison. It lacked merit. Barry, as you like to call him, was defending people such as yourself because he feels that you are above using race as a determiner in this election. I agree with him. This is a war over ideology. You hate him and you've branded him a liberal. We like him, and we've branded him an agent of change, much like JFK.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 1:26 AM | Report abuse

What is indeed sad is that all of us, including the blue-collar, graveyard working, Alan Keyes supporting lurker typing this,......is the fact that we can all spout vile and divisive comments behind this faceless computer monitor, yet never speak of these topics or subjects in any arenas of mixed race company. When I happened to read this article and then just by chance continue down onto this comment section, it saddens me that we, as a people, only choose to speak like this when we are hiding behind a few thousand miles of cables. When we become able to speak like this in front of each other exposing our fears and our hopes for all of our "differences", then and only then will all of this back and forth bickering cease......God bless us all.

Posted by: DC | April 28, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

So when did Barack Obama's Crazy "Uncle"
Jerimiah Wright become a 2008 Democrat
Presidential Candidate and become even
entitled to disrupt other people's tv
programs like Lou Dobbs today anyhow? And
so,why does our village idiot Obama Lover
Newsmedia like CNN,MSNBC and WAPO want to
force us to listen to that crazy black
racist psycho Rev Wright anyhow? The media
has become as out of touch with reality as
Barack Hussein Obama,Michelle Obama and
"Uncle" Rev Wright for godsake here. And
just as totally worthless as well.

Posted by: Sherry Kay | April 28, 2008 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Shannon dear, whatever head games you are trying to play, I'm not interested. If you can find a way to defend humping in the pulpit then I think you did not read earlier post about having even 2% poison in a glass of milk - still being poison.

When people's paranoia is stoked by a "religious" leader like wright, it is sickening. What kind of hope do the teenage boys in the South Side of Chicago get when they hear their preacher say AIDS was invented by the white man to kill blacks? Or drugs provided to put them in jail for life?

Take a good look at the South Side of Chicago - 36 shootings in one weekend - a minister killed yesterday - and tell me what good Barry Obama did for his district as their state senator. Guess he got his "street cred" from Wright and got some votes and campaign donations from the likes of Wm. "bomber" Ayers.

No hope. The only change will be the obsession of talking about race. Barry mentioned race 2 or 3 times in the interview today on FOX - before he was ever asked about race.

Posted by: Typical White Person | April 28, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

My girlfriend is black and I go with her to a majority black church and they have been very nice to me. I have to admit that white people who have never been to a black church will never undestand why the pastor speak with so much shout and passion. Believe me people all the black churches I have been to have pastors like Rev WRight and they are not divisive that is just how they get the message out. I have nothing but respect for the Rev and people that want to use the Rev againts Obama are just looking for a reason to not vote for him when they know the real reason is because they will not vote for a black person. I have racists family members and I hear what they say and it is not pretty when it comes to race.

Posted by: Mike Johnson | April 28, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

The powers that be sure are getting nervous about the possibility of someone not beholden to special interest getting into the white house. They've spent years arguing that the President is omnipotent and his decisions can never be challenged. The idea that someone they can't control might get in there is scaring the cr*p out of them. They will use every trick in the book and more to stop him.

Compared to the skanky stuff both McCain and Clinton have done, Obama is as pure as driven snow. The good news is that the loudest screamers are the kool-aid drinking dead-enders who still support Bush. I can't wait to watch all their heads explode when Obama is inaugurated in '09.

Posted by: thebob.bob | April 28, 2008 1:14 AM | Report abuse

Context IS important. I don't believe Wright hates white people but listen to this,I'm black so take what I say with a grain of salt. There is that old Indian saying about walking in another person's moccasin. He was a marine and is black so He knows a side of America most Americans will never see or know. Is he racist? Well think about it, anyone ever heard of the Civil Rights movement?

On a more religious note, Jesus did try to save the Jews first, God said they were His people. Was God racist? Hmmm... Wright spoke forcefully and gave citations from books. Was he wrong somewhere? Where doesn't the research stack up? Are there more than one ways of teaching kids? Is different not inferior? Is America the best in the world because of our diversity?
Note, I lived in South Lancaster, MA for a while and know that yeah they say stuff different up there. I think they even made jokes about that park/pack thing a few years back. He doesn't hate white people or presidents but I do know that black kids are constantly maligned for speaking the way they do as using "Bad english" really. Come on people, only Brits speak "good English" We're not English we're Americans. Yo quiero Taco Bell, French Fries, McyD's you gotta love America.
I think Wright tried to School Americans tonite but Barack O still might lose because many Americans will be afraid of black people, latin americans, immigrants in general etc, etc. Ya know, history is one of the best things we have in America.
Tangent= have you ever considered we beat Mexico in a war to get Texaco and we could have taken all of Mexico, it was ours. Anyone wonder why we didn't?
...Anyway, is America racist? Is Wright racist? Are blacks still impoverished? Do they still need help? Did we need the Civil Rights movement? Did the Naacp do anything good? Are there still black churchs, white, asian, hispanic churchs? Think people think. Grab a thinking chair and think. May God bless you.

Posted by: Leonard Brooks | April 28, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Maryanne,

It's sad that someone would attribute the hatred of someone with an Internet connection to either Barack Obama or Rev. Wright. For all we know, you could have posted the first post.

But, I'll argue with you for a minute in this insane line of thought. The election of John McCain would obviously result in the un-Christian hatred of Catholics. The clock will be turned back 50 years in regard to how Catholics are viewed in this country if John McCain is elected.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

Some indirect comments made daily by my co-workers are so devisive and controversial that I clinch at the sound of them. My professional position at a prestigious law firm afforded me the opportunity to become aware that my superior must hear these comments and not once has he been asked to be accountable for the words of others. Many politicans say they will not apologize for slavery because they didn't enslave people. How on earth can I or anyone be held accountable for statements or actions that someone else made? Obama does not share Rev. Wrights views. This entire story is ridiculous and all the media has done is given Rev. Wright POWER. He is serious about his new book.

Posted by: Confused | April 28, 2008 1:10 AM | Report abuse

THANK YOU REV WRIGHT!! I NEVER DOUBTED YOU AND I THINK YOU ARE GREAT TO EXPOSE THE RACISIM IN THIS COUNTRY. Many are upset with Rev Wright because he spoke the truth about what is going on and people do not want to handle it. I am glad that I now know that there are just as many racists democrats as there are racists republicans. I am going to change my status to Independent and I suggest any black or youth voter should do the same. The world is watching and America has shame written in blood all over it. To attack Obama is toattack the black church and the media should be apologizing to Rev Wright not the other way around.

Posted by: Jen | April 28, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm a white guy who happened to like Wright's sermons. I find Jesus's command to hate your father and mother (Matthew 10:37)a lot more troublesome than his sermons.

Wright's sermon that God will damn the US for killing innocents is along the same lines as Past Robertson saying 9/11 was God's judgment on the US for its sins. Wright talks of damnation (i.e. the final judgment) the Robertson of temporal judgment -that is interpreting an event as an act of God.

Shalom, Me is a racist who clumsily attempted to stir up anger between blacks and Jews. AIPAC is a right wing Zionist group, not a Jewish group. It doesn't speak for all Jews. Nor is their a conspiracy against Obama.

Race is going to be used against Obama and Clinton and the Democratic party because its all the Republicans have. It started when the media wondered whether he was "black enough" Why not just call the man an "oreo" and be done with it? The Dems have an historic primary going on. Is it any wonder the Republicans want to sabotage it and turn it into something ugly? They have run the country into the ground, so they can't run on their record. I know life long supporters who have abandoned the Republican party because it is so corrupt and extreme.

If the Jews have anyone to worry about in this race, it is McCain. McCain actively courted Rev. Hagee who wants to actively bring about Armageddon and believes that all but 144000 Jews must die before Jesus comes to reign. Hagee won't say how far the US should go in aiding in the extermination of the Jews to fulfill his interpretation of Revelation. He is a scary man. The last thing we need is his faithful making policy to end the world.

Posted by: I Like Wright | April 28, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

Well, somebody stole my moniker...oh well, sometimes imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Wright has some portions of the Bible correct, but then spews vulgarities and hatred.

You want to put "Condoskeeza" in context? He hates whitey, hates Jews, hates women...

BUT PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE KEEP HIM ON TV!!

He is accelerating Barry's downhill run!

Posted by: Typical White Person | April 28, 2008 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Typical White Person,

Now you know what it's like to have your character distorted for a political purpose. Each time, you have taken out of context something that Wright has said or done and cast it in a bad light. You consistently overlook the broader message which is not about hating another race or hating this country. He says some things that are controversial and some things that are inaccurate but by and large he is very inclusive. He's more inclusive than John Hagee. John Hagee preaches religious bigotry. I myself am a religious bigot. I hate pluralism. But I agree with Wright, we need to be more inclusive and we need to hope for change.

Just to be clear, I posted the thing above in your "pseudonym" about liking Rev. Wright. I'm sure you hate him because that's what you're about.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

white devils have been suppressing black brown people for a long time systematically via outright slavery , economic slavery, discrimination .............. on and on and on pale skin must be thin

Posted by: aggrieved | April 28, 2008 1:05 AM | Report abuse

I DON'T CARE. Can we talk about the issues now? The economy? The phony Iraq war?

Posted by: losthorizon101 | April 28, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

well LonghornMama..its funny how people can ask why would obama stay at that church when you have catholics who stay at their parish KNOWING or hearing about the priest abusing little boys..

how can you judge a man or his church when the catholic church basically condoned pederasty? why haven't any of you left those churches or that religion?

and hillary has her own radical skeletons:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-hayden/why-hillary-makes-my-wife_b_98102.html

Hillary went to work for the left-wing Bay Area law firm of Truehaft, Walker and Burnstein, which specialized in Black Panthers and West Coast labor leaders prosecuted for being communists. Two of the firm's partners, according to Treuhaft, were communists and the two others "tolerated communists".

so hillary realy shouldn't throw stones..

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Every day in this world there are individuals that know just the right buttons to push on a certain group of people and thus putting them on a pedestal like Pastor Wright. He is a cult leader with a very big following but he isn't the first and won't be the last. They appear every single day and there is always a group ready and eager to be saved, informed, changed, whatever term you care to use. What they are especially good at is using a kernel of truth and then embellishing that message and taking the followers where they want to lead them. Being a pastor has been extremely financially rewarding for this man which is allowing him to live a retirement in a lavish style. Frankly I was not aware that spreading the word of Jesus meant milking the followers out of millions of dollars. This entire Wright episode has been very revealing but mostly very sad.

Posted by: Susan | April 28, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

I think that Rev. Wright's statements may have been given this country the opportunity to open up band aids which cover up the infected and unhealed wounds of racism.

Will his statements hurt Sen. Obama's chances? To those who want to harbor hatred instead of peace and hope, it will keep them from voting for Obama, because voting for Obama means voting to peace, hope, and unity, all of which are something they fear.

Is Hillary Clinton hurting the Democratic Party? Most certainly. She is loosing her dignity. Moreover, she is beginning to remind me of Karl Rove.

Posted by: ab | April 28, 2008 1:02 AM | Report abuse

The first post here is an absolute outrage.

Lest the poster forget, Jesus was a Jew. As was Mary, Joseph, John the Baptist, Peter, Paul, all the Disciples, Isaiah, Jeremiah, all the Prophets, King David, King Solomon, Moses, Jacob, etc.

Jews recorded the Old Testament and, with the exception of Luke, also wrote the New Testament.

Indeed, the New Testament describes infighting between different groups of Jews: the followers of Jesus, the Pharisees and the Saducees. It is intra-Jewish, not anti-Jewish.

It is hard to understand how people, especially Ministers like Mr. Wright who have any background in the Bible, ancient Israel and Judah, and Judeo-Christian theology would not recognize the theological bonds between Christians and Jews.

Unfortunately, it is clear that Obama's election will bring un-Christian hatred of the Jewish People to the fore.

It is thus strange that so many Jews support (i.e. Obama campaign manager David Axelrod) and finance (i.e. chief fundraisers Priztker and Solomont) Obama's campaign.

These kind of posts foreshadow the effects should Obama win in November.

Posted by: Maryanne | April 28, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

I completely loved Rev. Wright. He is the absolute best pastor in the world.

"He sometimes makes accurate statements"

I love it.

Posted by: Typical White Person | April 28, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

He didn't mock, he just explained they were different

Posted by: hubman | April 28, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

Rev. Wright has got to be getting paid for this act. It seems like to me that he is intentionally trying to destroy Baracks campaign , and he is suceeding. If I was Barack I wou\ld have thrown him under the bus and ran over him. Why woul\d this so-ca\l\led pastor come out with this ignorant speech just as he was about to capture the nomination? Rev. Wright shou\ld be ashamed. It's rea\l\ly weird.


Posted by: T Hooper | April 28, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

What a pity Obama respects and defends this person. This controversy is NOT what he has been promising and not what our country needs right now. We need someone who can focus his/her energy on the economy and foreign policy mess without these kinds of negative distractions. I used to think Obama was a person without baggage but now think he has bigger skeletons than the other two candidates. The price of arrogance, I guess.

Posted by: Mark | April 28, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

TBK,

He clearly mocked whites, blacks, himself, and the media. He went out of his way to say that no one was superior to anyone else. You didn't get it, because you didn't want to get. I guess he was only mocking the black Florida A&M's band when he did his little dance and twirl. It think there are going to be a lot of offended black people when they see those clips. Of course you know, that I'm writing that sarcastically. If you were offended, then it was because you chose to be offended.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

While watching Rev Wright's speech on CNN I was awe struck and mesmerized by his brilliance, mental agility, flair for theatrics and it changed my mind of the snippets that have been circulating about him which cast him as a lunatic, racist, anti American.Those that missed the biting humor and message would never have been open to it anyhow.Reading some of the above comments, I am sick at heart to really see the birds eye view of the appalling ignorance, all out fear and bias of so many. Those that found what to condemn most likely condemn every one that is'different and characterize them as deficient'. Nothing anybody can say will change them. They are closed, shut in their teeny tiny world of fear and hate that simmers both underneath overtly.
I pray that this broadcast will help all of us if we are open. As far as Obama I hope this will help minimize some of the ugly smear that has been hovering over him.

Posted by: jefft | April 28, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Understanding why people find Rev. Wright divisive speaks to the heart of the matter. Who wants their/our ugly past brought up? The truth hurts and so dose ignore-ance. Change is coming good or bad.

Posted by: Realist | April 28, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Thomas, you sound sincere, but sometimes people are sincerely wrong. I have listened to his sermons. While he sometimes makes accurate statements, he also preaches hatred, mocks other people from the pulpit - like "Condoskeeza" Rice, humping in the pulpit, equating the entire US as the US of the KKA...

Those statements are NOT APPROPRIATE IN ANY CONTEXT!

Imagine a child watching him - learning that it is OK to call a black woman, the Secy of State(!) sleazy or skeezy or whatever he was trying to say, all because he disagrees with her. It's OK to hump in the pulpit and say the ex-president is "ridin dirty", all because he disagreed with him - or his wife is running for president. You know, that woman who apparently is qualified since she "ain't never been called a n*****."

Not only does Wright show hatred of whites - he has a particular affinity for total disrespect of women. He's disgusting.

Posted by: Typical White Person | April 28, 2008 12:49 AM | Report abuse

When listening to the amazing Rev. Jeremiah Wright's NAACP speech tonight I realized I couldn't stop thinking: "How is this going to effect Barack Obama?" -- and it drives me nuts that I think that way.

If it weren't for the political implications I would have simply been uproariously entertained and deeply enlightened on issues from theology to linguistics. He had the room moving, thinking, and, mostly, laughing, at his good natured characterizations of "differences" in language and culture that he insisted were not "deficient" but just "different." And he spoke of the overriding need for all people to learn to understand one another. It was an uplifting message that would rock any congregation, black or white, in America.

But somehow I feel frightened on behalf of Senator Obama that this will again be dissected and ruined through the hateful or ignorant abuses of the media and Obama's current political opponents.

It reminded me of a Steve Martin gag from the 1970's when the great comic pretended to try to entertain a convention of "plumbers and pipefitters" with "plumber humor." The joke he tells is incomprehensibly technical and filled with jargon about wrenches and pipes. The gag is that he is talking to the wrong audience and no one understands a word Martin is saying.

Reverend Wright was speaking to the thousands of people at the NAACP event, to millions of people who yearn for a new day in race relations, and to me. But he wasn't speaking to the non-plumbers -- Sean Hannity, Hillary Clinton, or the Republican National Committee -- the most likely folks who will exploit his exuberance and repeat yet more "soundbites" in order to bring down Obama.

There were moments when I cringed at his mocking imitations of John Kennedy's and Lyndon Johnson's regional accents. Of course, in context, he was making the point that "all" Americans speak with some dialect of English and that "urban" sounding English (think Jesse Jackson even at his most eloquent) is often labeled as "bad English," while Kennedy and Johnson are regarded as quintessentially American speakers. But no matter the context, Fox News will run the humorous clips over and over and establish among the ignorant that they are deeply offensive to Bostonians and Texans. I'm sure there is a treasure trove of other soundbites that also could cause Obama heartburn as he tries to woo Indianans and North Carolinians to his cause. Once again Wright, a fine man, will be exploited to undermine Obama.

In my law practice I teach diversity and anti-discrimination principles, and must admit that I wish I had a fraction of Reverend Wright's speaking ability. But the ideas he was speaking about are just mainstream American beliefs. They are consistent with every moderate thinker on the subject of diversity that I know.

The problem is that these ideas are surely going to be translated not only through the lens of racial and socio-economic prejudice -- but worse -- through the lens of a political culture run amuck.

Posted by: John Adkissson | April 28, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Typical White Person,

I think what Wright was trying to say is that we can't be complacent to always trust what our government is doing or saying. I personally do not believe that the government intentionally spread AIDS within the black community. It is my belief that AIDS naturally mutated from some another virus.

But, the larger point that Wright was making is correct. Governments are fallible. I'm not sure he cited this event, but the Tuskegee experiment in which the federal government conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. Some of us question the rational for going to war against Iraq.

It's not that we don't love this country, because we do. It's not that we don't see the good that this country has done, because we do. It's just that we do not believe that the government or its representatives are infallible.

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

Oh ... and I forgot ... I DID listen to his entire NAACP speech/sermon tonight ... with an open mind.

He preaches "different does not mean deficient" ... but in the next sentence he mocks the "white" way of learning ... and the "white" way of hearing music.

The guy IS an ignorant racist.

Posted by: TBK | April 28, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

Please, everyone.

Go onto YouTube, and watch the sermons in versions of greater length before passing judgment.

You may come to the same conclusions. But at least you can come to those conclusions informed.

Wright, for example, was quoting when he said 'chickens coming home to roost'.


Typical White Person,
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not accepted, but existent.

Posted by: Thomas | April 28, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

I'm confused. Rev Wright claims he is not a politician but it seems to me he spends quite a bit of his pulpit time on inflammatory political commentary. However, since I am not a supporter of Obama, I have no problem whatsoever with anything Rev Wright does to keep his racism in front of the American voting public.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

OK, let me try to understand this: a black minister says "God damn America" on video, and IT'S THE FAULT OF THE JEWS???? The anti-semites are out in full force tonight, I see.

Posted by: zenwick | April 28, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Great speech!! For a man under fire he spoken open and candidate about race and perception of African Americans in the US. I'm all for a frank and honest discussion about race and economic injustice. Reparations!!

Posted by: Equality | April 28, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Can we get on with the democratic race. This is starting to wear thin. Is. Rev Wright running for President? If you do not like blacks don't vote for Obama, if you do like Hillary don't vote for her. All these books(excessive long blogs)and back and forth still is not going to affect the outcome. We all know the end has been completed we are just waiting to see what's going to happen so each of us can so "Iknew it, I told you so. We all need to get real lives.

Posted by: Cheryl L | April 28, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Here's another example of everyone close to Obama living in existential crap. How about giving credit to all those moms and dads (like mine) in the 60s who raised a family who never, ever uttered a racial slur. Their children grew up becoming great friends and neighbors with people of every kind of heritage. We raised a generation of kids (now late teens or early 20s) who will be raising a 4th generation of really good people...people who work for those who are disenfranchised, who believe in "What Would Jesus Do?" and put that social justice into practice. I really do feel like Obama can kiss the Catholic vote goodbye. We're trying, but we don't understand screaming, "God Damn (Anything)" in church. And now there are more radical activists coming to the fore -- like Ayers, Dorhn, now you can count Jodie Evans of Pink Code. This is not going to work against McCain. It's too wierd and too foreign to mainstream voters. And it's not about Obama's race. It's everything else, stupid.

Posted by: LonghornMama | April 28, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

I listened to Rev. Wright on CNN, and was afraid he would say something outrageous that could be added by Fox News to their non-stop replay of his most outrageous statements from the pulpit.

But it never happened. He wanted diversity and harmony between religions. Yes, he talked loudly, as many Black preachers do, but he did NOT say anything hateful! Nothing anti-Semitic, anti-anyone except Bill O'Reilly and Dick Cheney, and even those digs were subtle.

Posted by: Jim | April 28, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Wright is a bat-$#*& crazy racist.

Posted by: TBK | April 28, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse


Obama tried to make this election about judgment and Clinton's vote to give the President the power to go to war (which the majority of the senate voted for).

Now this election is all about Obama's judgment and the fact that he sat in that church for 20 years.

Posted by: Vnd22 | April 28, 2008 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Do you consider the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. "descriptive," or "divisive" when he speaks about racial injustices?

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Posted by: Frank, Austin TX | April 28, 2008 12:32 AM | Report abuse

For anyone who thinks that Wright does not share an appreciation for LBJ and JFK because he mocked their accents need only look to Bush. I'm sure that Wright would say that LBJ was the greatest President of our lifetime and that Bush was the worst.

So, here we are. We're on two different sides. If you can't agree with what Wright is saying, then you are on the wrong side of history. If you can't agree that we all need to come together, then you are as un-American as former Arkansas Governor Orval Faubus or those conservatives that carried signs declaring "Impeach Earl Warren".

Posted by: Shannon,Dallas,Texas | April 28, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse


Just one of the things that those of you who consider Wright to be a thoughtful, intelligent man...would you drink a wholesome glass of milk, knowing that there were a few drops of cyanide in it? I mean 98% of it is good for you, what's so bad if 2% is poison?

One more thing, could someone please ask him how white people gave AIDS and drugs to blacks? If so, it was quite a disastrous mistake, since I've noticed there are many whites with AIDS and who use drugs.

Posted by: Typical White Person | April 28, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

As Asja said, journalists, politicians, and the average TV watcher or newspaper reader alike continue to neglect the fact, or are perhaps ignorant to it, that to say 'taken out of context' with regard to Wright's sermons is for once not an invalid claim. Time and again I hear people even around me say, "You can't say 'taken out of context' for anything," and yet when I ask them if they've seen one of these sermons in their entirety, or at the least, the 5 minutes preceding and following these 30 second bits they've seen, the answer is continuously no.

For those who have enough love of the truth, they go onto YouTube - these things are readily available - and see the 'so-called context' for themselves before continuing to make their claims.

I have yet to come across someone who continues to say that it is inappropriate to claim the statements are out of context after viewing Wright's sermons in the way they were intended to be experienced.

Even in this article, the 'chickens coming home to roost' statement is not one that Wright invented himself. He says as much in the respective sermon. It is a quote by a white politician. Similarly, 'coming home to roost' was the uneasy view of the incident by the CIA after years of meddling and re-drawing the Middle Eastern map with Great Britain immediately following WWII, and subsequent weak security measures despite repeated warnings by the CIA after the Desert operations of Islamist terrorist unrest.

Are many of Wright's sermons, irrespective of this, still filled with offensive comments? Undoubtedly. But I personally have yet to find a contextualized sermon that does not redirect these comments to themes of universal love, 'loving thy neighbor', 'turning the other cheek', and so many other fundamental Christian principles that many so-called Christian politicians of the U.S. of today seem to have abandoned.

Posted by: Thomas | April 28, 2008 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Screw Wright.

Posted by: Bob E | April 28, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

When you read what Wright says (and means...not just the sound-bytes)

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

I am perplexed...how could anyone who 'listened' to Rev. Dr. Wright's speech cast it as being 'racist'? The sad fact is that Stevie Wonder can see through what is happening. Hillary had better wake up and smell the coffee...the Republicans might want her to win the Democratic election in order to TRULY smash her.

Posted by: Betty | April 28, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

I am happy to see Rev. Wright's racist rants on TV...the more he's on, the more Obama's poll numbers will go down.

haaaa... Yeah, most of us "typical white people" had no idea how much racial hatred was spewed in some black churches.

No wonder Chicago is a shooting gallery. The kids have no "hope" coming from anywhere - not even at church. Just hatred.

Posted by: Typical White Person | April 28, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Why doesn't anyone question Mcain's support from Hagee and Robertson?

Posted by: Sean, Santa Barbara, CA | April 28, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

I have to add something for whoever is reading this. Rev. Wright has the ability to do more to heal the troubles in this world than any elected official in this country. The man is brilliant, kind, and full of love. He makes you think that human beings can actually live together in peace! I am an old woman. I only hope that the young people of the world have a chance to listen to this man. He is wonderful!

Posted by: TK | April 28, 2008 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Rev. Wright's speech was on the money. Of course some will deny and make a mockery of the simple truths that where brought to light.
Opening that closet will expose the skeletons of the government and big businesses for over a century plus.

Posted by: dmack | April 28, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

I gotta say there are some racist people in this world but Wright is not one of them, that was amazing speech he made in Detroit. Go read Anthony Apahia, Charles Taylor, Will Kymlicka, Susan Wendell, all the leading philosophers make same conclusions that Wright made in his speech on language, history, etc.

Posted by: Bob | April 28, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse

When you read what Wright says (and means...not just the sound-bytes)
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Posted by: Anonymous | April 28, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Sorry - there was no hate in Rev. Wright's speech. I listened to it in its entirety - twice on CNN. It was great. I was moved. It spoke a very moving manner about respect for people of different races, religions, and sexual preferences. If you heard hate it is because you are hateful. If you support Clinton or McCain - that is fine, but don't spin Rev. Wright's comments in hate for your support of your candidate.
Rev Wright has the right to defend his honor against FOX New and the hate in the blog sphere.

Posted by: Alex | April 28, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse

The thing about this speech is that it will make people watch PBS. Once they watch the PBS interview with Bill Moyers, people who had been misinformed will be informed. I don't expect entrenched bigots to change their minds.

Fox and CNN were shamed into carrying the full speech by the outcry from PBS. I agree, this will dominate the news for at least 2 days.

Obama should spend his time campaigning in little towns in Indiana. There's nothing to attack in this speech. I had to crack up at Wright's dig at Bill O'Reilly.

Posted by: Asja | April 28, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Compassion and understanding are the better roads to travel than the road that takes one down to judging another.

Ask yourself, who, what, where, how and why is this man, or any other person, speaking or acting as they do.

Posted by: mercey | April 28, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Those who cannot tell the difference between hate speech and speaking truth to power may find it useful to compare Mr. Wright's speech with the nugget offered by the sweet Claudine: "Posted by: Claudine | April 27, 2008 11:53 PM"

Posted by: hollywoodog | April 28, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

So why isn't the news media focusing on Hillary's work for 2 communist lawyers in Berkeley in the 60s? Why isn't Hillary being vetted properly. The Reagan Democrats will turn against Hillary if they find out she was colluding with communists in the 60s. Obama was 8 years old when the Weathermen were doing their damage, but Obama gets trashed by the media for that. Yet here is Hillary, actually working as a clerk, willingly, for known communists and she gets a pass? That tells you everything you need to know about the media.

Posted by: Goldie | April 28, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Reverend Wright's interview on Bill Moyer's show was excellent. It's sad that while Senator McCain appears on the surface to be above attack adds he is happy to fuel that fire as a political weapon. Senator Clinton is doing the same thing. It is amazing to me that people are question Barack Obama when nothing about Senator McCain or Senator Clinton's past has been brought up in the media. Senator Clinton continues to talk about how her "baggage" is out there. Well, if by some corrupt act, Senator Clinton (who has abyssmal electability numbers even at this juncture) is the Democratic nominee, just wait to see the Republican smear campaign (and the media distribution of this campaign) that comes up. It will be ugly. No mention in this yet about President Clinton being impeached, no mention of Monica Lewinsky, no mention of Whitewater, no mention of ANY of this baggage at all. Less then 40% of the American people think Senator Clinton is trustworthy. Where do we think that number will go when that "baggage" of the past is actually brought up. It's been eight years since this baggage was brought into the open and it was the cause of a tremendous amount of division in this country and indeed excited the "values" voters who brought the Republicans in power. The reason none of this has been brought up is that Senator Obama is above that fray...Senator Clinton and John McCain have displayed that this is the only arena that they are actually comfortable competing in.

Posted by: NK | April 28, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Rev. Wright that he is "descriptive." I found him very descriptive in the sermon where he humped in front of the pulpit in a description and apparent re-enactment of Bill Clinton "riding" Monica Lewinski. I'm sure Rev. Wright would tell me there was some profound biblical analogy there.

Posted by: Debbie | April 28, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: FOX NEWS | April 28, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

How about the part where he makes fun of JFK and LBJ and Ted Kennedy? And not in a nice way. Did he really need to make fun of JFK's accent in his most famous speech then go on to say "then when he was killed, Lyndon Johnson talked like this" and make fun of him? What was he thinking? My bet is that Obama just lost the remainder of the Catholic vote. Making fun of their hero, casually mentioning that he was killed, then going on to mock another president? And on a side note, was it even an accurate comparison, accents vs. speech? And what if a white person had criticized MLK in a similar manner? Wow.

Posted by: Vnd22 | April 28, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

People should be able to make a distinction between Obama and Wright. Obama doesn't share rights beliefs and we must take the senator at his word when he says he denounces the senators past comments.I'll be the first to admit i wasn't quite enthusiastic about Rev.Wrights comments, but seeing the man tonight at the NAACP diner has changed my perception of him, completely. He's witty, fiery and out spoking like most pastors both black and white. So to those who want to make a race issue out of wrights comments are guilty as charged.

Posted by: Tom Jeiles | April 28, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Was surprised that he was interesting, smart, and articulate in the Moyer interview (reading from transcript). Didn't discuss that much on the hate talk--but wish I'd heard is view before all the controversy. He knows the history pretty well, follows the school that did not abandon King. I feel party dumb. Transcript is here: http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/04252008/transcript1.html

Posted by: bwcolq | April 28, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Listened to Wright's speech tonight. All I get from it is this is one angry black man, cloaking himself as a minister of the gospel. Obama listened, and agreed, and supported this person for 20 years?

If this were a white minister talking about blacks that way and being sarcastic, and hateful about blacks, CNN would have never made the speech public.

Wow, I never knew this type of hatred toward whites was still around. Has been a eye opener to me.

Scares me to think that Obama may become our next President.

Wow.

Posted by: nightstalker | April 28, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Listened to Wright's speech tonight. All I get from it is this is one angry black man, cloaking himself as a minister of the gospel. Obama listened, and agreed, and supported this person for 20 years?

If this were a white minister talking about blacks that way and being sarcastic, and hateful about blacks, CNN would have never made the speech public.

Wow, I never knew this type of hatred toward whites was still around. Has been a eye opener to me.

Scares me to think that Obama may become our next President.

Wow.

Posted by: nightstalker | April 28, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

The main stream cable media, i.e. CNN and FOX, all carried Rev. Wright's full speech this one time.

Why? There were hoping he would say something "damning" to the Obama campaign, and be the first to scoop a story.

But Rev. Wright opened a lot of eyes tonight. His speech was both educational, passionate, and entertaining. I watched it on FOX and CNN. This story will be in the news cycle from Sunday to Friday.

Posted by: AJ | April 28, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Everyone should listen to what the Rev. Wright said about the Black African in a very comprehensive way at the CNN coverage. Deficiency is not by way of color so this racial divide should not hinder us to come together to unite back this country.

But there's always a problem with those clinging to old thinking that whites are supreme.

When should we start? The transformation is here....yes and it will be fulfilled.

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Posted by: Anonymous | April 27, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

What a truckload of religious-bias garbage!!

It's time right now for Obama to step up and show what he's made of. The 0.1% likelihood of his failing to get the nomination is in his hands.

He must find a new and exciting speech. He must engage in a frank discussion of economic issues and the means to fix them. He just has to sit down with his advisors and thrash through the issues. He has the smarts to do it. Has he the will? We'll see. I, for one, hope so. Here's our hope for the future. Barack Obama, don't let us down. Not now, after having come so far.

This country desperately must have a new beginning without the usual Washington politics. Don't hesitate, Barack.

Posted by: Harry, Los Angeles, CA | April 27, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Some close their minds at a certain point in their lives. Out of fear, Perhaps? Whatever the reason, the next step in the way down to a life of ignorance and intolerance appears to be the formation of iron-clad opinions in their closed minds about every subject under the sun -- the deeper the ignorance the stronger the opinion.

Posted by: hollywoodog | April 27, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Pastor Wright is scary and extremely racist. It's fair to say that Obama most likely shares his pastor's views but pretends not to in order to garner votes.

Tell me that's not scary. Ugh.

Posted by: Mina | April 27, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Before anyone comments they should watch the full speech from Wright. I did today. And I have changed my mind about him.

Wright is not going to take this country down. It's our fellow countrymen who'd like to remain ignorant and mentally lazy, so media can feed spoon-feed in sound bites.

I am one of you, but I did watch the speech and have a different perspective.

Enjoy your bickering and intolerance.

Posted by: jasper | April 27, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

"Shaniqua Obama is scary. I hope she doesn't have watermellon dinners in the White House or put curb feelers and rims on the Presidential limos."

Posted by: Nadeem Zacharia | April 27, 2008 11:40 PM

Her name is MICHELLE OBAMA. If she has watermelon dinners in the White House and puts curb guards and rims on the Presidential limos, that would be her right to do so. It sounds like you are more than just a tad bit envious and a whole lot of racist.

IMHO people who do not wish to vote for Barack Obama are looking for an excuse to not do so. Many aren't even trying to understand what Reverend Wright is saying. I would venture to say that most people who read this have never even considered looking on YouTube.com for Reverend Wright's full sermon.

It is necessary to get outside of your ownself, your own culture and your own beliefs and learn to look at how the experience of those different than yourself has been. It looks like we're all in this giant salad bowl together. We don't have to compete, we can complement one another. Please let us not hate one another based on differences. That doesn't promote growth for anyone.

What never ceases to amaze me is that black people can always understand what white people are saying. But, yet and still, the vast majority of white people refuse to think outside their own particular circumstances. Blacks are always the group who have to make accommodations.

Please do as Reverend Wright spoke on tonight and view people as different, not deficient, just different. If everyone thought the same way and did things the same way, this would be a very boring world.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 27, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse

And so I am even madder then ever at that
phony Chicago Slumlord Tony Rezko Errand Boy Cocaine Freak Liar Barack Obama and
his Crazy "Uncle" (Rev) Jerimiah Wright
for CNN pre-emptying Lou Dobbs Sunday Program Today just to bring me all the Mad
Racist Rantings of this Psycho Black Power
Preacher and Obama's "Uncle" Jerry no less.
When will this adoration of the Obama Cult
end here now then? Oh I bet I did it now
as that's got to bring all of the Obama
Black Shirts,Obama Youth and Brainwashed
Toxic Kool Aid Drinker Obamabots out in
force after me for this one! No Obama in 08

Posted by: Claudine | April 27, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Anyone still criticizing Rev. Wright should watch both the Bill Moyers interview on PBS and Rev. Wright's NAACP speech today. You will see that the perceptions you've got of the man based on 30 sec. snippets have given you a false impression of the man. Context DOES matter--and understanding other cultures matter. Trying to understand the experiences of others matter. Rev. Wright speaks eloquently and passionately (and often with a great sense of humor) about the specificities of African American culture and religious traditions. He also speaks eloquently about the need for co-operation across different religious and ethnic groups. And he is absolutely right.

Posted by: Daisy3 | April 27, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that was amazing. I was jumping and shouting knowing that anyone seeing this speech would feel the same. As i read some of the comments though, only a small percentage might i mind you, that see what they want to see, ie. he is a racist... when i read comments like that i open my mouth and blink my eyes and go huh. I am dumbfounded by the outright self delusion of some people. Thank you father God for Barack Obama and the message of change is going to come by Dr. Jerimia Wright .

Posted by: osirisravanz | April 27, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

The first comment, above, is disgusting. It is either trying to fan anti-semitism and turn it against Senator Clinton or it is trying to turn the sentiments of Jews against Senator Obama. Clearly neither "camp" (Clinton's or Obama's) has anything to do with this hateful posting.

Posted by: melissa | April 27, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

I saw Bill Moyers last night, and the CNN broadcast tonight, and I cannot wait to hear more from Rev. Wright. For the first time in my adult life, I now see what religion is about. Rev. Wright has given this white/red woman a gift of a lifetime. My anxiety about life is gone. My heart is full of hope. Thank you Rev. Wright. Thank you. Thank you thank you! I am not deficient or better. I am just different. Thank you!

Posted by: TK | April 27, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Rev Wright is practicing SPIN control.

Question that needs to be asked is: If Obama didn't think what Wright had been preaching was divisive, then why did he seek to seperate him him from his campaign early on?

If he did think he was divisive, then why keep going?

Answer--He agrees with the man but he knows most white people (typical, that is) hate that kind of talk. So he pretends that he doesn't like it either, then says he never heard it before then admits he had heard it but didn't agree with it--although from the looks of the reaction he got when he said it most blacks (typical, that is) agree with every word.

Posted by: SteveinVa | April 27, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

The first comment, above, is disgusting. It is either trying to fan anti-semitism and turn it against Senator Clinton or it is trying to turn the sentiment Jews against Senator Obama. Clearly neither "camp" (Clinton's or Obama's) has anything to do with this hateful posting.

Posted by: melissa | April 27, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

To dyinglikeflies:

If you watch his ENTIRE speech, he's not such a "wacko" as you called him. He's extremely itelligent and brings up things I never heard before, but make sense.

He speaks at length at why people are different and takes it right down to the science of cognitive learning, and demonstrates it so it's understandable.

He's like one of those books that you can't put down, but have to read a few times before you say "yeah, I get it now."

He's on CNN right now. Tune in and watch

Posted by: Anonymous | April 27, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Watched this on TV and nice to see the brothers and sisters giving standing ovation to Rev J-Wright. Colored people gettin together. Sweet. I hope President Obama appoints J-Wright as AG.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 27, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Shaniqua Obama is scary. I hope she doesn't have watermellon dinners in the White House or put curb feelers and rims on the Presidential limos.

Posted by: Nadeem Zacharia | April 27, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Don't want to paint Obama with every word this wacko says, but where is Obama's judgment in refusing to disavow him? Is Obama so afraid of looking like a "Tom" to the African-American community that he stays joined at the hip to this racist nut? Obama needs a "Sister Souljah" moment- kick this guy out of the tent or watch yourself not just lose the election but lose worse than McGovern. Show some moral courage, and prove to those like me who think that you have no moral courage that we are wrong. Give me SOME reason to support you over McCain in November. THE TIME IS NOW!

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | April 27, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Whoever is trying to torpedo Obama, it is not "the Jews." There are Jewish "neocons" who make common cause with the Clintons and the Republicans. And there are plenty of Jews who do not.

Would you say it's "the Christians" who are responsible for the atrocities in Iraq because it is supported by Bush and his so-called Christian followers. (True Christians don't support agressive war, of course.)

That last remark about "the Jews" being responsible for killing Jesus (who was a Jew, by the way) revealed your mean-spirited prejudice.

You are not doing Obama any favors by spewing that kind of racial/ethnic stereotyping.

A Jewish supporter of Obama

Posted by: Richard Katz | April 27, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Children do learn differnt (cognitive and visual learners),etc.

The teacher must change their teaching strategies to accomodate learners of all nationalites and cultures.
Differnet not deficient. All are not test takers in the same traditon as normally/abnormally presented.

Posted by: arian | April 27, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again! Why don't we talk about all the gay bashers and KKK members that support McCain? What about all the extreme right religious people that believe that all Jew will burn in Hell that support McCain? What about the fact that Rev Wright was a spiritual consultant to the Clintons during the Monica Lewinsky dabacle.
In other words, let's move on. The horse is dead.

Posted by: phorse | April 27, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

The end of the previous comment stoops to the absurd charge of "deicide" against the Jews, and furthermore conflates Wright with Jesus Christ. The entire comment is hate speech, using terms like "lynching" for those who condemn the hate speech of Wright, and point out the hypocrisy of Obama's embrace of this this man. The latest charge from this camp is that either Obama must be given the nomination under the threat of blackmail. If this is what the Democratic party has come to, I will vote for a Republican for the first time in 40 years.

The comment above is so sad and sick, it turns my stomach.

Posted by: Shalom | April 27, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

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