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Sat. Night With Clinton: A Beer, a Slice and a Charge Against Obama


Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) toasted Hammond, Ind., Mayor Tom McDermott, left, during a stop at Bronko's restaurant in Crown Point, Ind., April 12, 2008. Ed and Patty Hall are seated at right. (Associated Press)

Updated 2:03 p.m.
By Perry Bacon Jr.
CROWN POINT, Ind. -- While Barack Obama spent Saturday defending a remark that made him sound like an elitist, Hillary Clinton's response was initially just words, calling him "elitist" and "out of touch."

But then in Crown Point, a town 25 miles from Gary, the New York senator downed a shot of Crown Royal whiskey, had a beer and chomped down a slice of cheese pizza, as her aides rushed to fill her request for another slice, with pepperoni. The crowd at Bronko's restaurant cheered as Clinton clinked her glass against fellow drinker's, while at the same time the restaurant's manager told a man who brought his grandchildren to the event he needed to take them out of the room.

Clinton stayed only about 30 minutes, but the audience, full of supporters, seemed thrilled with the senator's performance, shouting "Hillary! Hillary!" as she turned up her glass and finished her beer.

"Everytime I get around you, I start drinking," joked Thomas McDermott Jr., the mayor of nearby Hammond, Ind., and a Clinton supporter who also came to the event.

It was the end of a long day of campaigning in this state for Clinton, who will face pressure from Democratic officials to drop of the race if she loses May 6 primaries in both the Hoosier State and in North Carolina, which goes to the polls that day, as well. She is far behind in polls in North Carolina, but effectively tied here.

Clinton, eager to contrast herself with Obama's small-town remarks, spent the day talking about going hunting as a kid and her upbringing in a churchgoing family in suburban Chicago. Despite spending much of her life in government or corporate law, she sounded like former North Carolina senator John Edwards in her attack on Obama, accusing him of dividing the country into "one America that is enlightened and one that is not."

"The people of faith I know don't cling to religion because they are bitter, in fact they embrace their faith because it gives them so much in return," Clinton said in one campaign stop.

Her aggressive tenor obscured some complications of her attacks on her Obama. Clinton herself repeatedly said in Iowa that she felt the strong anti-immigrant sentiment there was driven in part by a slowing economy, something Obama implied in his controversial remarks and John McCain has said as well.

And in rebutting Obama's comments, some of her supporters in Pennsylvania suggested conditions were good in the state, pointing to an increase in jobs and incomes in some areas of the Keystone State. That kind of optimism stands in marked contrast to the gloomy picture Clinton often draws on the stump as she speaks of an America that has declined in the seven years since President Bush took office.

David Axelrod, Obama's chief strategist, noted in an interview Saturday night the contrast in Clinton's broader campaign message with her attacks on Obama's remarks.

"I don't think her rhetoric has been particularly optimistic, but in order to take advantage of this story, she's kind switched her narrative around," he said.

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I am a student at PennState. We are proud to invent the HillChug (named after Hillary of course). A HillChug is when you raise your beer mug, cackle three times, take a gulp and wash it down with a shot of whiskey.

Posted by: HillChug | April 15, 2008 7:34 AM | Report abuse

crown point is much closer to gary than 25 miles. more like 10-15.

Posted by: jason | April 14, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Bud0- :-)

Now, maybe you understand why I chose my Nomiker! ;~)

But, alas; The Job in Question is the Commander in Chief, Business Regulator, Trade Negotiator, and Economic Strategist.
NOT, Snake Oil Salesman!

While McCain is only Half Qualified, at least he is Half Qualified as opposed to the Congressional Lawyer(s) that are only trying to put the Senate Majority Leader in the White House.

Enter Venture Capitalist and all around Nice Guy(Very non-Rat like), St. Mitt Romney!

Cue the Tabernacle Choir-

"HALLELUJAH!!!"

"HAAALLEELUUJAAH!!!!!"

And the road to recover begins-Pending Congressional Co-operation! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | April 14, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Crown Royal?!? That's Canadian whiskey!

Shame on you Hillary. If yer gonna get drunk to show how blue collar you are, you should do it with some good ol' American booze.


Posted by: J.Daniels | April 14, 2008 2:06 AM | Report abuse

To show how much she loves the gun toting and church going folks, Hillary took out her prized copies of the Karl Rowe book from her personal bookshelves in the Clinton library and replaced them with an old testament, a new testament and also a copy of the King James Bible. She also went to the local bookstore to buy a book on "How to shoot your own squirrels and ducks for dinner".

She now has the endorsement of the NRA.

Posted by: Jerry | April 13, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

There are more stories coming from Hillary after she chugged a couple of kegs of beer. Now she claims she wanted to be a sharp shooter once, and learned how to shoot ducks. She shot a duck while her husband was the governor of Arkansas. I would have thought she shot a possum while it was playing dead.

Anyway for thanksgiving the Clintons served ducks shot by Hillary.

Dick Cheney after hearing the shooting skills of Hillary, called her on a duck hunting date.

Her stories about sniper fire in Bosnia, her duck hunting days in Arkansas, and her allegiance to NRA, all tell that Hillary is obsessed with guns.

Posted by: John | April 13, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is chugging beer with a bunch of elites. They are all wearing business suits instead of jeans and t-shirts that normal people wear. What is the point she is trying to make here.

Posted by: David | April 13, 2008 10:52 PM | Report abuse

The picture of Hillary chugging beer and whisky tells a lot about her. I don't see any other woman in the picture chugging beer with her. So much for her courting of women voters. Do we want our president getting drunk just to make a point? I don't think so. Even without drinking according to Bill when Hillary says something at 11pm there is bound to be some lies and exagerations. Now she gets drunk and wakes up with a hangover at 3am to answer the phone. We can only imagine what she will say over the phone.

Posted by: Sam | April 13, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

We have the Clintons making well above $110 mil. During one of the debates in Nevada when asked whether she prefers pearls or diamonds, Hillary said she wants both. Now Hillary the multimillionaire, who wears pant suits specially tailored for her and who stashes money in Caymen islands so that IRS can not track their income, is calling Obama an elitist just from one comment he made. The comment Obama made stressed the reasons why people feel some bitterness, especially when their jobs are taken away. The reason a lot of jobs left PA and Indiana are due to NAFTA and Bill Clinton's export of jobs to China and India.

Posted by: Joan Wren | April 13, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

The BitterGate is helping many voters in PA to separate the wheat from the chaf. We did a poll in PA and also spoke to some of the folks in rural areas. A mojority of the people side with Obama on this one. Even though is comment touched on the topic of guns and religion, they see him as an authentic guy who does not pose a problem for their rights or religion. On the other hand many of them feel that Clinton is just an opportunist who is out to destroy their candidate for the presidency. One woman mentioned that 'Hillary making fun at Obama's comments is like a guy with no hand making fun of a guy with a broken pinky.'

Posted by: Martin McGiven | April 13, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I'm an over-60 year old White woman for whom these blogs have replaced the soap opera I used to watch. As a life-long Republican I'm leaning towards voting for Obama, because in spite of his being far from perfect, he still has shown more class, integrity, positive campaigning (did you hear him "slamming" Sen. Clinton during her Bosnian lie fiasco?) and enough intelligence to know that drinking in a bar with people doesn't make you one of them. Our sons and daughters are dying in a war that never should have been started and this is what the media latches onto? America, let's start reclaiming our place in the world as a respected, beloved country as we once were.

Posted by: Grandma C. | April 13, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

It's official now. Clinton plans to destroy Obama's viability as a candidate, thinking that she can beat John McCain -- or at least that she will be set up well for a rematch with him in 2012, after he has run this country further into the ground in four years.

Obama is being attacked for simply telling the truth about people's state of mind in small central PA/IN cities. If I were a blue-collar type living in one of those depressed cities, I would have found his 'bitter' remark as showing empathy with my kind of folks, and not elitism.

I used to say that I'd vote for the winner of the Democratic primary, but not any more. Hillary is an unacceptable sleaze, and McCain has flipflopped too many times about the Religious Right. If those two are the nominees, I guess I'll vote Libertarian.

Posted by: oldhonky | April 13, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

If that would have been Obama having a beer Hillary would have said "look he's an acoholic how can he be president."
Hillary made a $100,000 in 7 months back in the eighties over some shading investing, talk about elitist.
A mayor in Lancaster PA, said he wouldn't say the people are bitter, he said the people are "angry."

Obama 08

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

If that would have been Obama having a beer Hillary would have said "look he's an acoholic how can he be president."
Hillary made a $100,000 in 7 months back in the eighties over some shading investing, talk about elitist.
A mayor in Lancaster PA, said he wouldn't say the people are bitter, he said the people are "angry."

Obama 08

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

During Bush's term the Clintons made (personal income, not including perks) over $100 million. 'nuff said?

Posted by: gg | April 13, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

,This is typical Hillary, Barak Coverage...from the press and media even when Barak Obama suddenly finds himself speaking off he cuff and reavealing a bit more of his "Expertise" on just about everything...

you write...about Barak,"While Barack Obama spent Saturday defending a remark that made him sound like an elitist,"

Barak ONLY SOUNDS ELITIST....While you write of Hillary Clinton....."Her aggressive tenor obscured some complications of her attacks on her Obama"

She IS AGGRESSIVE in her TENOR while Barak Obama's remarks ONLY make him sound elitist.

Really, the press and media always present Hillary Clinton as the big bad wolf and Barak Obama as the "innocent virgin" poor boy/man Candidate who had too defend the high horse he road in on, again, and it is all Hillary Clinton's doing....

This is pathetic....coverage....why don't ya'll just marry the guy cause the press and media obviously adore him...

Posted by: rannrann | April 13, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S NO TO NO-WHERE VOTE.

Yes, Hillary voted for the war as most did since we went there and Barak Obama....decided that since there were plenty of Yes Votes to go...now was the time for the big LUXURY NO VOTE..since it was never going to be acted upon anyway but if there was a chance in heck that his vote would have actually counted for something more than an opinion vote...it darn well would have been a big fat YES for the VERY Junior Senator...who are you Obama folks kidding with that sad and sorry....NO VOTE to No Where....Barak Obama's no vote was purely OPPORTUNISTIC...since he was paving the way for a White House run....you think if that NO was going to be the one deciding factor on whether to actually stay or go he would have said NO???? Please stop this story time stuff...Barak Obama is smooth, savy, and absolutely OPPORTUNISTIC!

Posted by: rannrann | April 13, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

LOL! Hillary is just going to have to settle for Drinking with McCain.

Barack Hussein claims it is against HIS Religion. Then, you have to excuse him, he needs to go to the Bathroom,

To "POWDER" his Nose! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | April 13, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

egc52566- Believe me, there was a Coma involved!

Something along the lines of: "I Concede, I really could have explained myself better"

Concession Noted, and personally Barack Hussein, I think you were promising too much! ;~)

Bud0- Few things could scare me as much as the thought of being in the same Woods as Hillary with a Gun! Only her Target would be safe! ;~)

LOL-Now, if you see this;

Which Casing is larger? A .308, or a .243? :-/

Posted by: RAT-The | April 13, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton '08

Lock and Load!

Solutions for the American Corporation

Posted by: UncleRemus | April 13, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

"Her aggressive tenor obscured some complications of her attacks on Obama. Clinton herself repeatedly said in Iowa that she felt the strong anti-immigrant sentiment there was driven in part by a slowing economy, something Obama implied in his controversial remarks and John McCain has said as well."

Tsk, tsk: O'Bama and McCain are plagiarizing Clinton.

If Hillary should return to substance from her mudslinging, it will be interesting to see whether she stays with her anti-Obama Polyannaish posture or reverts to picturing the dour conditions she decried up to a few days ago.

Posted by: FirstMouse | April 13, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Republicans: party in power during a recession and during a prolonged, costly, and unnescessary war?

"Throw the bumbs out!"

Posted by: eljefejesus | April 13, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama defeated a strong primary candidate with better name recognition, more experience in national politics, who had political connections and had benefited from post-911 political and financial support for New York...

Wait til he gets ahold of the part-in-power during a recession...


The latest attacks is too little, too late: Obama is the better candidate.

Posted by: eljefejesus | April 13, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton is a known liar. We can no longer believe anything that woman says. Nuff said.

Posted by: Lianne | April 13, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Franklin, how would you know what Obama would have voted for? Just because the pandering idiot that you support voted for it, doesn't mean Obama would have. Plenty of Democrats opposed that resolution. In fact, Obama told Charlie Rose in 2004 that he would not have voted for the resolution. It's on YouTube. Look it up.

Posted by: Jen | April 13, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton is vile. She's an absolute disgrace to the Democratic party. Please go far away, and take your money-grubbing husband with you.

Posted by: Lori | April 13, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

We girls can have a beer too. Come on people. You have called Hillary a b*****, a shrill, modicum, chowderhead, fat, unattractive just because she had beer along with the boys. That means I can call you obamawannas.

Posted by: hillarybill | April 13, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Franklin
OBAMA WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR THE WAR, IF GIVEN THE CHANCE.

///////////////////////
Would Have, Could Have, Should Have, Might Have.
The fact is he Didn't.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Your analogy doesn't make sense.

Telling people they are "clinging to religion because they are bitter" is a good deal different than equating a bad economy with people's attitudes about immigration.

If you don't get it....think about it awhile.

Posted by: paul taylor | April 13, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Oh, now we hear some big story that Hillary went hunting when she was a kid.Did she use her all aluminum magnum compound bow?What a liar. These fish stories keep getting bigger and bigger.

Posted by: Majorteddy | April 13, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

We have one president that got elected to the White House because people felt he was someone they could have a beer with. Now we have another chowderhead that wants to be the second president you can have a beer with-- and a shot. Why don't we just go down to the bar and pick out some drunk and bypass the election process and he would be better than either Bush or Clinton(either one).At least we would break the dynasty mold.And we probably wouldn't have as big as liar.

Posted by: oldman&theC | April 13, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Miss O'Gyny====that would make about as much sense as Bill's explanations for Hillary lying about her trip to Bosnia. Why don't you sign your postings?

Posted by: Hillary Bush | April 13, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

I think Rev. Wright was very clear what you should expect from Obama. He will support the black communities, which is good.. but his hate for the white people regardless how rich or poor, educated or uneducated they are, its a fact. He was raised by a white grandmother but he used her as an example of a racist white woman. This guy has no values, he will say anything (and we all know he talks a lot) to get the nomination. There is no way he will win the general election if he is the nominee.

Posted by: Ann | April 13, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm not surprise that she is more in tune with her republican counterparts, after all she grew up as a republican changed her affeliation after Bill ran for office as a democrat.

Posted by: Danel | April 13, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Please tell me what Obama gambled. Although he told the voters in IL during his campaign for US Senator that he would not be running for president he will still be a US Senator if he loses his bid for president. So, its a win win situation for him. He also has big time backers such as the Kennedys and the former democrat nominee, Kerry. And billionaire elite bundlers in which he met in San Franciso to talk about the masses being angry, bitter gun toting religious fanatics to whom he has to try to relate to. This was not said in public, but to a private group of elitist in a CA mansion.

Posted by: Hillarybill | April 13, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I can't imagine beer would taste worse, than drinking it while listening to this witch spout her personal brand of bs.

SHAME ON YOU HILLARY CLINTON

Posted by: jeffp | April 13, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary gets to be Democratic candidate, then John McCain will become the next President of the United States with a huge landslide. The Dems must have been totally out of their mind to nominate that woman. Obama is now the only chance.

Posted by: Bodo | April 13, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

While pandering to the masses, Hillary had better watch the beer and the pizza or she will become a poster girl for our number one health problem and not be able to get into her pantsuits.

Posted by: plebian | April 13, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Go Hillary. You go girl! We girls can have a beer,too. Love it.

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Take this shot Obamamaniacs: Hillary believes in all of "US", including those of us in small towns. Obama is an elitist jerk. How can Americans even give him a glance? Go Hillary and the rest of "US" left to vote, "we can do this together". I feel the small towns and big towns too, rising to the support of the American President who represents us all. Now, that has finally become obvious to us all- Obama "we in small towns are bitter"!!! Get a life and go back to your rookie senate position & leave America to Hillary. She is being outspent by at least three to one. Remember, the money for Obama's campaign didn't all come from small donors as he tries to make us think. Instead, at least half of his 230 million plus dollars has come from rich multimillionaires and 27,000 plus maximum amount $2300.00 donors. Ergo, his elistist comments and beliefs stated in San Francisco are shining through. Now these "bitter" comments bring [W]right up again too, and correctly so, I think! Why does everything Obama wrongly says that clearly shows how he really stands gets spun around as we, the electorate, are taking it out of contest or he's sorry but...? Hillary has the only "shot" now for Democrats in November. She really identifies with and cares about what happens to the ones of "US" left who are barely surviving here in the middle and lower class. She, of course, is rich but, she can still identify with we the "working class Americans. Obama, clearly cannot. Hillary will win in November against McCain or more of the same McBushIII. Obama cannot win, particularly now. Sure looks like to me that Obama is showing himself for the far left latte drinker that he has been since the start. Remember, divide and conquer in Europe by taking advantage of the youth and minority races? Starting to rack them up and the republicans will have a field day in November i.e. monster, NAFTAgate, his real plans for his Irag withdrawal revealed, small town slam and oh yeah, [W]right!!!! Obama's latest truly revealing small small town slam calling "US" bitter, etc., finally shows him for the elitist rat that he has been from the start and has managed to hide thus far. Wake up America! He doesn't care a thing about promoting anybody but himself. We need Hillary Clinton. We can still save the nominating process and the Democratic Party, if we do the right thing in the primaries left to come. Let's not let the rest of America down. Decisive wins for Hillary in all remaining primaries will put Obama back in his rightful place- a rookie senator. We can still do this and I know the rest of "US" is counting on us. One last thing, where are the ranting raves by the MSM on this issue and why aren't they running this over and over and over again? He will lose the nomination because he is finally identified as the inferior candidate. We have to beat McCain in the fall Americans. Vote Hillary for a victory for the Democrats in November, otherwise we're doomed. PA, you can do it, bring her on to the rest of "US" and save the Presidency for the Democrats. Vote Hillary! Thank you from KY.

Posted by: moblou | April 13, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

After watching the Sunday morning shows, I'm finding it interesting how the Clinton campaign has totally misrepresented Obama's quote.

Clinton and her surrogates are stating that Obama said working-class Americans only have faith and values because they are bitter. That is misrepresenting the quote.

Obama stated that economic bitterness and neglect by Washington forces people to "cling to guns and religion" because that's all they have to count on. The quote, as I read it, doesn't condemn the right to bear arms or belittle the place of religion in many American's lives. People "cling" to life preservers because they keep them from drowning.

Sunday press is giving Clinton & McCain a large amount of leeway so far on their stories of what Obama actually was quoted as saying.

Posted by: Greg in Canada | April 13, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I beg any journalist who wants a scoop to ask Annie Oakley Hillary one single technical question about the guns she now professes to love.

Say, Hillary, is a 22LR a centrefire or rimfire?

You don't know? Any kid whose taken a pop at a cottontail knows the answer to that one.

Which is the bigger cartridge, Hillary, a 12-gauge or a 20? A duck hunter like you would surely know that.

Sure you would, tough girl.

Posted by: Bud0 | April 13, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

"OBAMA DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE WAR BECAUSE HE WAS NOT IN THE US SENATE, SO LIKE YOU AND I he only had an opinion. He is a neophyte."

A neophyte opinion of a candidate running for office gambing his whole career against a strong tide the other direction, who it turns out was right on all counts, so great argument there....

"Hillary might eat pizza and drink a beer. It's clear from the posts here that Obama feasts on Spam."

Is this a dig on him being born poor in Hawaii? Otherwise I'm not sure exactly what to make of it...

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA DIDN'T VOTE FOR THE WAR BECAUSE HE WAS NOT IN THE US SENATE, SO LIKE YOU AND I he only had an opinion. He is a neophyte.

Posted by: hillarybill | April 13, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm not American, but I know that three-quarters of Americans supported invading Iraq in 2003. Yet three-quarters of Americans today believe the war was a bad idea.

Likewise, a clear majority of American voters re-elected GW Bush in 2004, yet his support hovers below 30% today.

That's mathematical proof that a large proportion of American voters is making a lot of bad, indeed self-harming, decisions.

Yet nobody in America is ever allowed to criticise the voter, criticise the public. Politicians are trained to spout pablum like: "I think the American people are pretty smart", "I think the American people usually come to the right decision, etc."

It's completely taboo to mention that the American people have been largely complicit in the disasters that have befallen them. Even Obama wouldn't dare say that. Suck up to the Great American Public at all costs.

Clinton and McCain play that game well, as did GW Bush. That's why the American public never looks at itself in the mirror.

Iraq is all Bush's fault, say the people who cheered and bayed for war in 2003 (ie the Hillary supporters). Our health costs are rising, moan people who voted against a decent health plan in 2004 because they were scared a homosexual might get married somewhere.

Like I said, I'm a foreigner and don't have to suck up to anyone. So I can say: Bush is a symptom, the American people is the cause.

Reading the comments of those here trying to enforce the taboo on criticising the choices of the US voter, it's easy to see why America is in such a deep hole.

I predict that Americans will continue to vote for politicians who tell them how great they are, and America will continue its irreversible decline.

Hopefully, when you're all broke, you will at least quit starting wars all the time.

Posted by: Kevrobb | April 13, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama simply revealed how he feels about those who work for a living. He thinks they're stupid rednecks.


Oh Chris, stop with your misogyny , we're all sick of it.
When you write a column on Hilary , test it by changing all the pronouns to "he", and then see if it sounds as stupid as this one

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse


She's PATHETIC!

My God, some propose to make this the president of the United States?

THE WH has become thorougly debased and detested in the last period, but a

60-year old woman who loses her mind late on Sautrday nights, and planes vixon? Raunchy cutie?

Billy did warn us....

Posted by: OUR VIXON HILLARY | April 13, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Hillary might eat pizza and drink a beer. It's clear from the posts here that Obama feasts on Spam.

Posted by: Ed | April 13, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

The crystal clear image right now is that Obama cares more about black liberation theology than small town America.


sorry to all you Obamaniacs.

The truth is: what is on is agenda for America ? What do you think Michele Obama wants on the agenda for America ???

Obama has presented us with two different stories : black anger and black liberation theology are both OK - understandable reactions to what has gone on over the years.

ON the other hand, small town America - they are "bitter" - they have taken the wrong response - they "cling" to religion and guns - as if for some reason they have not done enough to get themselves out of their plight.

The original rational for Obama's campaign that he is a unifier, transcending race has been trashed by Obama himself.


Any resonable person who thinks this through should wonder if Obama should even continue in the US Senate.


Posted by: Words of Wisdom | April 13, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

"Clinton, eager to contrast herself with Obama's small town remarks, spent the day talking about going hunting as a kid ..."

And yet, with all her expertise concerning guns, she can't accurately "remember" when she was supposedly on the other end of the barrel in Tuzla.

Believe me, as a gun owner and someone who grew up in a hunting household, if you've been around guns you don't "forget" the details of any circumstance regarding guns being pointed, even inadvertently, in your direction. This woman is a total sham. Pennsylvanians are wising up to that with every passing day.

Posted by: whatmeregister | April 13, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse


OH YA, scrumming booze and beer inna bar on Saturday night is going to captivate the
churchies in Western Pennsylvaia.

They're going to be soooo impressed.

But one has to amit one thing...she's not elite. She and Billy and grubbed a hundred million dollars, however, that are really ugly.

But even $109m and ivy schooling wouldn't make that ugly shrill elite.

Takes a little class, does it not? A modicrum.

Posted by: classless | April 13, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Hillary believes in all of "US", including those of us in small towns. Obama is an elitist jerk. How can Americans even give him a glance? Go Hillary and the rest of "US" left to vote, "we can do this together". I feel the small towns and big towns too, rising to the support of the American President who represents us all. Now, that has finally become obvious to us all- Obama "we in small towns are bitter"!!! Get a life and go back to your rookie senate position & leave America to Hillary. She is being outspent by at least three to one. Remember, the money for Obama's campaign didn't all come from small donors as he tries to make us think. Instead, at least half of his 230 million plus dollars has come from rich multimillionaires and 27,000 plus maximum amount $2300.00 donors. Ergo, his elistist comments and beliefs stated in San Francisco are shining through. Now these "bitter" comments bring [W]right up again too, and correctly so, I think! Why does everything Obama wrongly says that clearly shows how he really stands gets spun around as we, the electorate, are taking it out of contest or he's sorry but...? Hillary has the only "shot" now for Democrats in November. She really identifies with and cares about what happens to the ones of "US" left who are barely surviving here in the middle and lower class. She, of course, is rich but, she can still identify with we the "working class Americans. Obama, clearly cannot. Hillary will win in November against McCain or more of the same McBushIII. Obama cannot win, particularly now. Sure looks like to me that Obama is showing himself for the far left latte drinker that he has been since the start. Remember, divide and conquer in Europe by taking advantage of the youth and minority races? Starting to rack them up and the republicans will have a field day in November i.e. monster, NAFTAgate, his real plans for his Irag withdrawal revealed, small town slam and oh yeah, [W]right!!!! Obama's latest truly revealing small small town slam calling "US" bitter, etc., finally shows him for the elitist rat that he has been from the start and has managed to hide thus far. Wake up America! He doesn't care a thing about promoting anybody but himself. We need Hillary Clinton. We can still save the nominating process and the Democratic Party, if we do the right thing in the primaries left to come. Let's not let the rest of America down. Decisive wins for Hillary in all remaining primaries will put Obama back in his rightful place- a rookie senator. We can still do this and I know the rest of "US" is counting on us. One last thing, where are the ranting raves by the MSM on this issue and why aren't they running this over and over and over again? He will lose the nomination because he is finally identified as the inferior candidate. We have to beat McCain in the fall Americans. Vote Hillary for a victory for the Democrats in November, otherwise we're doomed. PA, you can do it, bring her on to the rest of "US" and save the Presidency for the Democrats. Vote Hillary! Thank you from KY.

Posted by: Mary O'Bryan | April 13, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Oh Boy!

First America selects a president based on whether we'd want to have a beer with him.

Now Hillary~! 'downs' a shot of whiskey.

Wow! I can hardly contain myself.

Is this the dumbing down of the United States, or what?

Posted by: Captain John | April 13, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

If I only had a job - then I wouldn't be a bitter, typical white person, loving my guns and Jesus. Instead my partner and I would be reading Susan Sontag and driving my Prius to my job at P.E.T.A. in the Valley. Help me Obama!!!

Posted by: pgr88 | April 13, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Remember her vodka-drinking contest with John McCain three years ago:

Two summers ago, on a Congressional trip to Estonia, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton astonished her traveling companions by suggesting that the group do what one does in the Baltics: hold a vodka-drinking contest.

Delighted, the leader of the delegation, Senator John McCain, quickly agreed. The after-dinner drinks went so well -- memories are a bit hazy on who drank how much -- that Mr. McCain, an Arizona Republican, later told people how unexpectedly engaging he found Mrs. Clinton to be. "One of the guys" was the way he described Mrs. Clinton, a New York Democrat, to some Republican colleagues.

Posted by: AJ Fish | April 13, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Beer, whiskey, guns, and bowling - Clinton's going all out to align herself with (her interpretation of) the middle class. Does she have such a low opinion of us that she thinks we can't see through her act?

The intense coverage of the non-story about Obama's "bitter" remark demonstrates the dumbing down of the media.

In one of the bloodiest weeks for US troops in Iraq; after revelations about Bill Clinton's $800,000 benefit from the Colombian trade deal; after the donation to the Clinton foundation by the Chinese corporation that has worked to repress Tibet - Hillary has led the media by the nose and controlled the headlines with another exaggerated Obama smear.

She already lost the Democratic nomination; is she running for McCain's VP or for a third party bid? We can be sure she won't give up the spotlight easily.

Posted by: Obama/Pelosi 2008 | April 13, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I think Hillary is the one who's out of touch. Does she knows how much we're paying for food now a days? Our income is not catching up with the cost of living expenses. I am talking about just a regular low cost household expenses on two household earning families. Sure I am frustrated. I may not cling to guns, religion, etc. but I pray to God to help us get through this. Lucky for her they earned $109 millions. How about the regular folks like us? Barack is right.

Posted by: bigben1986 | April 13, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Good thing Hillary's gun loving reputation has got around. Probably scared off those snipers in Tuzla.

Posted by: Lone Star | April 13, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse


A shot and a beer?

She's a joke, an ambarrassment.

Let's say you're one of our "enemies" or one of our friends, abroad, for example.

You impressed by the fat lying harridan
swilling it up on Sturday night in ruralI
Indiana?

Cute, such class.

Posted by: Embrassed | April 13, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

This trick will do anything to win, just like her husband.

Posted by: Mrs. C. | April 13, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

"Barack Insane's O'Bombing was recruited and promoted by Teddy Kennedy, John Kerry, and Daschile,-along with several other Spider-Web covered Relics in Congress."

Promoted? Yes. Recruited by? Who are you kidding??? And how can you get more status quo than be the wife of a former President? It's like saying the son of a fomrer President and CIA director and grandosn of a longserving senator is a man of the people and represents change in Washington. Gimme a break. Clinton's done, and McCain's time was eight years ago, if at all. Get used to saying it: President Barack Obama.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

So what does Pennsylvania think of all this? Apparently, they still like the "elitist." Hillary must be spinning in her political grave...

"Sen. Clinton has made much of her ''ability to lead'' on day one in the Oval Office. Past experience like hers is one thing, but leadership also depends on having a vision, plans to pursue that vision, and an ability to inspire others to follow. On those grounds, Sen. Barack Obama is well-suited to lead, and The Morning Call recommends his nomination in the Democratic primary."

- Allentown, PA MORNING CALL
http://www.mcall.com/news/opinion/all-a.6348993apr13,0,4038021,print.story

"All of the myriad issues facing the next president of the United States coalesce into a single question: Who can best lead?

For Pennsylvania Democrats, the best answer in the April 22 primary is Barack Obama."

- Scranton, PA. TIMES-TRIBUNE
http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19480144&BRD=2185&PAG=461&dept_id=418218&rfi=6

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I believe Sen Obama's supporters have helped me to finally understand the success of Rush Limbaugh, et al. Convincing the rubes you are insufferable pricks is a piece of cake. No wonder they hate "liberals".

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

kreuz-

LOL! Status Quo?

Barack Insane's O'Bombing was recruited and promoted by Teddy Kennedy, John Kerry, and Daschile,-along with several other Spider-Web covered Relics in Congress.

They are the most dominant aspects of the worst of what people consider "Professional Politicians" and the well entrenched, and very Problematic, "Status Quo".

I can only BEG some People in other States to PLEASE REMOVE YOUR OLD, WORTHLESS, OBSTRUCTING, SENILE, PARTISAN, CORRUPT, AND BOUGHT P'sOS REPRESENTATIVES! PLEASE! ;~)

Pretty Pretty PLEASE!

Teddy?

You could have had a Romney! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | April 13, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

This is the real Obama...arrogant and condescending and if you disagree with him you are racist.

Now let's watch how the Obamedia spins this one. They can't blame Hillary since it was Obama's blog of choice that broke the story.

Watch...they will just try to change the subject instead of really taking a look at this candidate and who he really is.

Posted by: joe | April 13, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Out of control federal debt, our military crumbling because we're stuck in Iraq, a government that endorses torture and ignores the constitution, America's standing declining under all standards across the globe, tax cut handouts for the wealthiest Americans and bailouts for corporations while the working class suffers with the downturn in the economy and the mortgage crisis...

If you're not bitter, you're not paying attention.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: RAT-The | April 13, 2008 1:21 PM:
He CONCEDED! :-)
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Hm.... does smiley face mean you are happy he conceded or that you a joking? I'll do what is normally done: I'll assume the worst:

Obama has only conceded that he made a mistake. Has Clinton ever admitted as much? Is she capable, because after 7 years of Bush's inability to face reality I'm not ready for another unreal President.

Posted by: egc52556 | April 13, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

"His follow-up comments saying he was more "in touch" with rural Pennsylvania, Indiana and Illinois than his opponents simply confirm that arrogant, elitist attitude."

How is it elitist when it's the truth? How many people really picked up those "I'm not bitter" stickers Hillary was handing out? Not many. Again, Pennsylvania, if you're happy with the state of America today, go vote for McCain or Hillary and the status quo.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Today's Gallup 3-day average poll, including the first day after Obama's "bitter" comments:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106435/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Maintains-Solid-Democratic-Lead-50-41.aspx

Obama INCREASED HIS LEAD over Clinton by 2 points to 9%. We'll have to wait and see if this impacts Clinton's standing with her beer and whiskey drinking buddies.

Posted by: egc52556 | April 13, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"But they've done more than that. Obama hasn't."

Yeah, they gave us NAFTA, set back the cause of Helthcare reform by 20 years, and capitulated with Republicans on a number of issues that prevented us from taking back the House and Senate. And let's not forget their help in legitimizing the Iraq war. Quite a list of accomplishments even without getting into dodging sniper fire...

With Obama, we have a new opportunity to work forward on a positive agenda without the lingering baggage of the Clinton years. If you think a woman with a near 50% disapproval rating has any ability to deliver heathcare reform that will be from the beginning derided as Hillarycare II, the beginnigs of a socialist plot, and not to mention all the while requiring 60 votes in the Senate to pass, I've got a bridge to sell you. Hillary would give us four years of political stagnation, more investigations into her fundraisers, Bill's presidency (and her role in it), an dabsolutely no progress on any number of issues that Americans are so desperate for change on. I don't beleive for a second that Obama can magically change the dynamic of things overnight, but he will, when Republicans begin to make those charges and those lines of attack, be better able to defelct them and make the Republicans look worse by sayign from the beginning that he was elected because people wanted to get away from the old fights of the 80s, 90s and the Bush years and turn a page, while the Republicans won't let go and face the real issues facing America. Clinton can't do that, and America will lose as a result. This is why If Clinton wins the nomination, I will be voting for McCain. I can't stand his politics, but at least with a solid Dem Congress there will be room for compromise and advancement of a positive agenda, rather than gridlock and endless fighting over stupid scandals.

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Obama's San Francisco comments were like a social mirror reflecting his very soul.

NEWS FLASH: Obama is an elitist. His follow-up comments saying he was more "in touch" with rural Pennsylvania, Indiana and Illinois than his opponents simply confirm that arrogant, elitist attitude.

But it gets even worse. A high proportion of Obama's college and well-to-do white supporters are also elitists. Just read most of the comments posted here. If Obama's supporters want true political change, maybe they should start with themselves. They are great exmaples of witless buffoons. Whoops ... aren't they the ones they want to replace?

Posted by: Daniel | April 13, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Well, if MY Competition had just CONCEDED, explaining "That he could have explained himself better";

I'd be Celebrating Too! ;~)

I'm just surprised that nobody else realizes it is all over?!

He CONCEDED! :-)

Posted by: RAT-The | April 13, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

>>kreuz_missile wrote: ""Obama, the verbally gifted ivy league face man," --Bill and Hillary were both Ivy Leaguers...

But they've done more than that. Obama hasn't.

Obama admits he failed at being a community organizer and went to law school after a couple of years of going nowhere. Then, despite his high academic achievement, he failed to make partner at his prestigious law firm out of Harvard Law and left, taking Michelle with him.

Obama has won all of his elections by his opponents being disqualified, crippled or unviable. That's partly why his camp's main strategy seems to have been to put a lot of pressure on Clinton to drop out and how to force her out. He's never even really won an election outright against a solid opponent.

The point is not that the Clintons weren't Ivy Leaguers every bit as elite intellectually as Obama (Bill was a Rhodes scholar!). The point is Obama's callow and little more than a face man, no matter where he hails from. The fact of his Ivy League background only helps illuminate how out of touch he is with mainstream America and issues.

Most everything that has been constructed about his public image and the presentation of him as a person has been editorial fiction of left-wing news outlets like the Post, political strategizing and marketing, all built on the foundation of his skill at delivering convincing rhetorical performances.

Obama is not what he appears to be.

I think that it's good that so many young people are getting involved in his campaign. They will learn, at an earlier age than most, that politicians do lie, present themselves as being that which they are not, paint their rivals in a false negative light, and make promises they have no intention or ability to deliver on.

Obama is no different than Bush, except that he's left-wing. He's an Ivy League face man with no resume and no vision that is his own, and no ability to deliver on the promises he makes.

Posted by: Annette Keller | April 13, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton has the best policies for every facet of government. She is simply the best candidate for the job. Undecided voters should closely examine her statements on www.hillaryclinton.com. By the way, I am not part of Hillary's campaign, simply a well-informed and well-educated citizen who supports Hillary. Hillary is smart, experienced, knowledgeable, able to make nuanced decisions and resilient, all qualities that will make her a good president.

HEALTH CARE - her plan covers everyone and will require participation on the part of both citizen and government. Everyone chips in and her plan will start to re-prioritize to make health care accessible and affordable to everyone.

FOREIGN POLICY - as First Lady then a 2-term senator from a major state, Hillary has had extended first hand exposure to foreign policy. It is doing our country a disservice by choosing to ignore her accomplishments and focusing on the Bosnia sniper fire controversy, which was a clear example of the media and Obama supporters making a mountain out of a molehill. The hoopla fails to acknowledge her real accomplishments during that trip as well as her role in the Northern Ireland negotiations. Hillary's plan for Iraq is realistic and takes into account unanticipated problems that might emerge in that part of the country at the time of withdrawal. The idea that an anti-war speech in 2002 without the consequences of decision-making somehow elevates Sen. Obama to moral high ground is irrational justification. 20/20 hindsight doesn't work in the real world when confronted with tough decision-making. The most important point now, as pointed out by Hillary, is to determine the best forward-moving strategy: how to stabilize our economy by ending the war, bringing our troops home and taking care of the veterans, and exiting in an honorable fashion.

ECONOMY - Hillary has detailed plans that address all facets of our failing and unstable economy: trade, foreclosures, manufacturing stagnation. Reality cannot be described in black and white terms. I do not see any contradiction in Hillary's support of some facets of free trade and at the same time being critical of other aspects. The fact is free trade does help to lower consumer costs. US manufacturers and workers have to re-invent and re-tool to remain competitive. Trying to hold on to $35/hr union jobs for handing out tools in the automobile industry is not a formula for success in the 21st century. Hillary's proposal for green jobs (she recognized its importance long before Obama incorporated it into his proposals) is the first step in the right direction. Hillary also recognizes the fact that women earn less than men for the same job and that minority women earn even less. I believe Sen. Clinton when she says she will address that inequality when she becomes President.

EDUCATION - Hillary's long involvement in education sets her aside from her competitors. She recognizes that to make the US a leader again, the education system has to be revamped, starting at the most elementary levels. Teaching has to be reinstated as an honorable job with appropriate compensation. It is a disgrace that US high schoolers score well below their Asian counterparts in science and math. Without adequate grounding in those disciplines, it is impossible to see how the US can compete with emerging powers in Asia in the decades to come. By re-investing in research and technology, Hillary will undo the damage done by the past 8 years of the Bush administration and nurture a future generation of enthusiastic, science and technology savvy can-do leaders for the 22nd century.

It is essential we take a long hard look at what each of the 3 candidates bring to the table and let our heads not emotions make the vital decision.

Posted by: alee21 | April 13, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Beer and shots? What a tramp.

Posted by: Boxie | April 13, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

>>Debmood wrote: "There is nothing more disgusting than seeing a woman drinking beer and whiskey."

Hillary Clinton has been married to the most powerful man in the world, a brilliant Yale law grad and Rhodes scholar, and unarguably a sexy guy who is a natural with women.

Hillary Clinton obvious has a lot of smarts and drive to offer as a power wife. But she couldn't have landed a brilliant and sexy playboy like Bill Clinton as a husband, and hold onto him for all their lives, if she wasn't able to be lot of fun in ways that count with guys who know how to have a good time.

She can't, and wouldn't, market herself as a woman who knows her way around a man and who knows how to have a good time. But it's kind of obvious, reading between the lines of the Clintons' lives together.

Clinton would be a lot more fun on a bowling team than the effete, limp-wristed Obama!

Posted by: Annette Keller | April 13, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Obama's gaffe reinforced an image of him that was already in the air: that he is an elitist.

Clinton's stupid "shot and a brew" photo op now reinforces an image of her that is already in the air: she has no personality of her own other than what she thinks voters want to see. As if anybody is going to believe Hillary Clinton is a good ol' boy.

Posted by: egc52556 | April 13, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse


Why is this woman allowed to tear down the Democratic Nominee as viciously as any Republican? She's lost the race. Yet she is allowed to run amok like a two year old having a temper tantrum. Since when is telling the TRUTH an ELITIST thing to do? You can tell by THEIR remarks that they are the ones out of touch when they call someone who speaks the TRUTH elitist.

Posted by: AC | April 13, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

"Obama, the verbally gifted ivy league face man,"

Bill and Hillary were both Ivy Leaguers,and he's a former US President while she's a sitting Senator, and they pulled in over $100 million in the last seven years. How exactly is Obama the Ivy League face man and elitist in this scenario?

"A lot of Clinton supporters have perceived Obama as a bag of charming, rhetorically gifted hot air and very little of an established record of action with which he can be accurately defined. With the revelations about Rev. Wright, NAFTA, his "bitter" comments and the things his wife says, he seems to be quite a hypocrite, too."

Yeah, you say a lot of funny things when running around under sniper fire trying to sign landmark peace treaties and holding secret conferences to push strongly for Free Trade agreements that you secretly oppose, while continuing to employ a staffer lobbying strongly for a Free Trade agreement that is also supported by your husband but you also oppose. Oh wait, wrong candidate. Well, maybe the old lady just needs a little nap to clear her judgment, as this stuff can happen in the late afternoon if you keep waiting up for that 3am phone call that, for her, is never going to come...

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

>>Debmood wrote: "There is nothing more disgusting than seeing a woman drinking beer and whiskey. This is not the first time Hillary has been seen drinking this way. It's very unattractive."

That's hilarious. I guess you've never been to college! Ha Ha.

I understand she did some drinking with McCain on a junket to Iraq once. I'm glad she can do shots and boilermakers. She's a hell of a woman.

At least one of Democratic nomination candidates isn't a limp-wristed wimp. Obama, literally and figuratively, is throwing gutter balls in his attempts to act and talk like a man.

You say how can Clinton answer the phone at 3 a.m. with a shot and a beer in her? I wonder how Obama can pick up a phone at all with his effete, diffident, limp-wristed understanding of life outside the world of condos and mansions (bought with corrupt lobbyist assistance).

Posted by: Annette Keller | April 13, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

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The 44th President of the United States

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA

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I feel sorry for mark penn, as despicable as he might possibly be (I don't know him that well),

NOBODY, not any genius salesman, could ever 'sell' someone as detested and despicable as Hillary Clinton.

She is a lying race-baiting opportunist.

Thank God the Amercian people are for the most part seeing it now.

Obama simply doesn't need her 'core' supporters and certainly doesn't need that portion of her core supporters who are closet-racists.

Posted by: g. washington | April 13, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

sheila, read what he said. He's not saying that bitterness is the only reason people believe in these things, he's saying they vote based on these things alone and ignore their economic interests as voting issues because nobody in Washington seems to really care about them economically. They vote for Dems on economic concerns and the ClintonS give them NAFTA, they vote for Bush and Republicans in congress and get conservative Christian judges. Given that track record, which way would you vote, social or economic issues? Obama was absolutely right, and hopefully will use it to crucify the $110 mil former first lady candidate right out of the water for the true elitist snob she is, whose only route to the nomination is turning the elite of the Democratic party to her side over the will of the 30+ elections Obama has won in elitist states like Utah, Iowa, Wisconsin, Virginia, Mississippi, Alabama, Missouri, North Dakota...

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

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HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR

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Posted by: . | April 13, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama, the verbally gifted ivy league face man, got caught confiding to a bunch of San Francisco left-wing liberal elites how small-town America is full of bitter poor whites clinging to guns, religion and racism.

His remarks complement nicely his wife Michelle's stump speeches, written up in the New Yorker a few weeks ago, in which she describes America as full of slobs, cynics and losers who are struggling to make a paycheck.

A lot of Clinton supporters have perceived Obama as a bag of charming, rhetorically gifted hot air and very little of an established record of action with which he can be accurately defined. With the revelations about Rev. Wright, NAFTA, his "bitter" comments and the things his wife says, he seems to be quite a hypocrite, too.

Obama seems to say whatever people need to hear to believe in him, and harbor true opinions and ideas that are far from what his marketing of himself implies.

Whatever "Obama" is and what his true beliefs are, I think we've been marketed a "Faux-bama". The Washington Post has had a heavy hand in marketing the fairy tale of the man that he isn't.

Posted by: Annette Keller | April 13, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing more disgusting than seeing a woman drinking beer and whiskey. This is not the first time Hillary has been seen drinking this way. It's very unattractive. Though with all of her millions, she can do just about anything she wants including stealing the nomination.
By the way, how is she going to answer the phone at 3 AM if she's out cold from drinking liquor and beer? It's not wonder Bill had so many women. Hillary was hitting the bottle.
Bitter lady and I do NOT drink!

Posted by: Debmood | April 13, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

THE NEOCON SCRIPT FOR HILLARY


.....err, I am a woman, (honest) and I live in southern Illinois...no, I mean, I live in Indianna, no, I mean, Pennsylvania...(Jesus Christ, what am I supposed to write again?)
yes, as I was saying, I am a woman, and I live in Pennsylvania (I think that's how you spell it), and yes, I'm mad as hell at Hillary...no, I mean I am mad as hell at Obama (Hillary comes later, after the nomination) because he's a racist!
(a racist, how can a black man be a racist?)
...anyway, yes, that's it.., no, I mean, because he's an elitist...yes that's it...he's a racist, no, I mean, he's an elitist....yes, and I'm mad as hell !!!!!
(did I get it right?)
...yes, and I'm mad as hell ! (SHOULD I PUT IT ALL IN CAPS?)

(how much does this job pay, again?)

Posted by: Hillbillary | April 13, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: . | April 13, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

am a christian and i do not belived in god because i am bitter i belive in him because i love him and i have faith in him and that he is the one whole create this world and he loves us no matter what we did and what we are doing.i am sometime bitter when things does not go my way but i do not go and buy myself a gun***;or blame others if i do not have a work. i just want to ask those who say that obama is telling the truth;are you beliving in god because you are bitter?do you cling to gun because you are bitter?do you hate other because you do not have a job? if so i feel sad for you you should have faith in god and no politics is gonna help you on that issue no matter what obama is telling us we need to stand on our own feet and have faith and belive me there are many people in this world who are going throught the same thing .we need to work hard and belive that oneday live going to be better.be proud of yourself and do not let nobody look down on you

Posted by: shelia | April 13, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

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The 44th President of the United States

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA

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Posted by: . | April 13, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Forbs
Obama's Magic Numbers
In recent weeks, Trailwatch has repeatedly discussed Hillary Clinton's poor prospects for catching Barrack Obama in the delegate race for the Democratic nomination. It is starting to look like Obama can now win enough delegates, 2,024, to secure the nomination before the Democrats meet in late August.
As of today, our affiliate Real Clear Politics tells us that Barack Obama has 1,641 total delegates and Hillary Clinton 1,505. So let's turn to the Forbes Delegate Counter and plug in poll projections for the remaining contests.
The biggest prize ahead is the April 22 contest in Pennsylvania, with 188 delegates at stake. RCP's latest average of polls has Clinton ahead by nearly 8 percentage points in the Keystone State. Assuming this spread holds once the undecided voters make up their minds, Clinton would win 54% of the vote and 85 delegates to Obama's 46% and 73 delegates.
A similar exercise in North Carolina, where the polls currently have Obama with a 16-percentage point lead would deliver 67 delegates to Obama and 48 to Clinton. Real Clear Politics shows only three polls for Indiana, of which Clinton has a 9 point lead in two of them. For argument's sake, we will give her a 10 point lead and 40 delegates versus 32 for Obama.
Real Clear Politics does not have poll numbers for the remaining states, but Obama has a 5.8 percentage point lead over Clinton in RCP's average of national polls. Even if we were to give Clinton the benefit of the doubt and split those remaining contests 50/50, Obama comes out with 1,922 and 1,787 for Clinton.
These calculations still leave Barack Obama more than 100 delegates short of the total needed for the nomination. So let's go to the superdelegates.
At present, 315 superdelegates are still up for grabs. Using our Delegate Calculator, it becomes clear that Obama would need to win just 33%, or 104, of the remaining 315 superdelegates to get over the top.
--Steve Kichen

Posted by: Forbs | April 13, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

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HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR

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Posted by: . | April 13, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton says her economic policies will restore the economic policies of her husband's administration. However both Hillary and her husband failed to demonstrate any economic wisdom or foresight as Alan Greenspan warned of irrational exuberance while the sub prime housing loans and dot com investment bubbles were created and pandered during her husband's administration and both supported China's entry into the World Trade Organization without any conditions such as protecting the environment or labor and property rights to levels that are comparable to western standards.

The U.S. government surplus (generated by taxes raised from the housing and investment bubbles) evaporated once the housing and investment bubbles burst.

Furthermore, China today is not only a leading contributor to environmental pollution and global warming (thank you very much Mr. Nobel Laureate, Al Gore), it's also pushing up oil and other commodity prices, taking our jobs and stealing our intellectual property.

Like the Roaring Twenties decade that preceded the Great Depression, the Irrational Nineties that preceded our current decade were both golden ages for technology, scandal-plagued politicians, corporate greed, and unrestrained personal debt and speculation.

As the global economy teeters on the brink of economic meltdown not unlike the Great Depression, America doesn't need finger pointing and fear mongering, America needs a president whose economic policies are based on confidence, unity and reason. America needs Barack Obama.

When political and military judgment mattered most to U.S. military personnel and the American people, John McCain and Hillary Clinton failed as U.S. Senators to demonstrate any commander-in-chief qualities when without competent questioning, they both accepted the faulty intelligence used to justify the Iraq war and misjudged the Bush administration's competencies to lead the war.

Barack Obama on the other hand demonstrated his superior judgment and commander-in-chief qualities when he took an unpopular position and cautioned that without clear rationale an invasion of Iraq would encourage the worst impulses of the Arab world and strengthen Al Qaeda's recruitment.

Now, John McCain advocates maintaining U.S. troops in Iraq indefinitely which does little to incentivize the Iraqi government to deliver the political reforms needed to promote civil unity whereas Barack Obama's threat to withdraw U.S. troops does more to incentivize the Iraqi government to deliver the necessary reforms.

As the threat of global terrorism persists, neither John McCain or Hillary Clinton have demonstrated any understanding of the complexities of building and maintaining global alliances to confront this common enemy. America needs a president with demonstrated commander in chief qualities, leadership and judgment. America needs Barack Obama.

If experience, wisdom and judgment may be relied upon to judge a presidential candidate's abilities to solve problems, then let's look at the records of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.

2007 - While Barack Obama promoted a restoration of balance between work and wealth and criticized special interests for distorting U.S. tax codes, Hillary Clinton and her husband liquidated their blind trust of the nearly $50 million amassed during their years in public office.

2002 - While Barack cautioned that without clear rationale an invasion of Iraq would encourage the worst impulses of the Arab world and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda, Hillary told Larry King she didn't regret her vote on the Iraq war resolution because like the Bush administration, the Clinton administration viewed Saddam Hussein as a threat to the international community.

1999 - While Barack secured bipartisan support for health-care reform and passage of low-income tax credits and child care subsidies in the Illinois legislature, Hillary supported her husband's Iraq "regime change" policy in order to divert public attention from the president's marital, legal and ethical infidelities.

1989 - While Barack Obama served as the Harvard Law Review's first black president, Hillary Clinton then wife of the Arkansas governor received payments from a law firm that was doing the state's business and received board of director payments from Wal-Mart where she remained silent about Wal-Mart's anti-labor union practices.

1979 - While Barack Obama was actively involved in the South African divestment movement to end apartheid, Hillary reaped profits of almost 10,000% in the futures markets and left taxpayers with her real-estate losses in the Savings & Loan bailout.

The Clintons would have us believe that Hillary and Bill have been thoroughly vetted. If that were true, then why don't we have answers for:

FOREIGN: How will Hillary know whether Bill's advice serves U.S. interests or the interests of his Russian, Chinese, Indian, Kazakhstan, Dubai, Qatar, Kuwait, Oman or Brunei clients?

MONEY: Do the Clinton Foundation, Clinton Library, Clinton campaign and Clintons tax records show a proper accounting for the sources and uses of funds?

PARDONS: Will Hillary "reject" contributions or compensation from persons she pardons unlike her husband Bill who accepted contributions from Marc Rich, partner of Viktor Bout (the merchant of death), and her brother Hugh Rodham who accepted compensation from drug lords who were pardoned by Bill?

For too long fear, division and rancor have been used as instruments to maintain power and position in Washington.

Why are the Clintons' traditional adversaries Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity now embracing Hillary Clinton as the Democratic Party's nominee? Because both the Clintons and John McCain are willing sparring partners in the fear mongering arena, whereas Barack Obama's means of governing through confidence, unity and reason threatens the wealth, power and position of these fear mongers.

It's refreshingly nice to see the better angels of America's character prevailing as voters reject the racial, religious and ethnic slurs being spewed by the divisive surrogates of the Clintons, Limbaugh and Hannity.

Voters in Pennsylvania now have an opportunity to change the direction of America's policies, economy and foreign relations for the better by voting for Barack Obama and rejecting the fear mongers.

As a Republican-leaning independent, I will vote for the Democratic nominee if it is Barack Obama but I will not vote for the Party's nominee if Hillary Clinton is on the ticket. America needs Barack Obama.

Posted by: John Patrick Smith | April 13, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR THE WAR, IF GIVEN THE CHANCE. JUST LIKE HE HAS VOTED WITH CLINTON ON EVERY SINGLE IRAQ ISSUE SINCE HE GOT TO THE SENATE.

Posted by: Franklin | April 13, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters: name one thing he has done in the Senate!
Posted by: Rick | April 13, 2008 11:49 AM

Not an Obama supporter, but here are two things ...

1. Coburn-Obama "Federal Funding Accountability and Transparency Act" (sets up a searchable database for earmarks).

2. Lugar-Obama Nonproliferation initiative (supports elimination of conventional weapons and assistance of WMD interdiction).

BTW, Coburn and Lugar are Republican senators from OK and IN, respectively.

Posted by: mnteng | April 13, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

For the hundred and ten million she and her foul-trousered consort have made in the past ten years she will be able to buy a lot of brewskies and Canadian Club. Hillary is a complete fake.

Obama's now famous "bitter" comment is completely correct. I live in God-forsaken rural western PA and he has it to a T. The poorest of the poor live in such counties as Forest, Pike, Pine and Potter and they went plus-80% for Bush in '04, because of God, guns and gays. These people have nothing except their children, who are fighting in Iraq. I wonder if Hillary knows anybody fighting in Iraq.

Posted by: PJTramdack | April 13, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Rick-- Why not educate yourself on Obama's record by visiting the congressional record online. You will be disappointed to see that Obama's many bills are far more substantive than Hillary's few.

Posted by: Christine | April 13, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

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HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR

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Posted by: . | April 13, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's whole campaign seems to be about attack, and whine. Attack about any and everything...her mantra being: fight, fight, fight (as well as, me, me, me),

and then whine that she's losing because she's a woman, because the press doesn't treat her fairly, etc. etc.

The sad truth is that Clinton is losing precisely because she is always fighting. This country is tired of the same old politics of division and attack.

The sad truth is that Clinton is losing (really, lost) not because she is a woman (if a Black man can win, then a White woman could have more easily).

No, She lost because she is Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Stephanie | April 13, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I am confident that Obama will turn this into a positive. People are bitter, not just in the small towns, but in the larger cities, too.
Hillary is similiar to all of the politicans. They champion for the vote, but when they get in the office, they forget about the middle and lower income families.
Bill Clinton visted the Appalachian Trail Areas in the mountains after the Lewinsky's fiasco. He promised to bring jobs and get corporate sponsors, etc. That never happened either, and Hillary is riding on Bill's coat tail.
I have not seen any votes in Congress, that Hillary has helped the middle class and below. Of course, Hillary could count the vote for the Iraq war, that 4000 plus young people have been killed and thousands handicapped for life. Of course, those recruits come from the middle and lower income families. We need Change in this country.

Posted by: Mim | April 13, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

He at least cares about not offending people.

What do we want an "insistence on WMD"?

Hillary from the beginning addresses Obama as:
" Man of words", "get real".

She never had decency to apologize.

Posted by: Dr Charles | April 13, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Pennsylvania: If you're happy with the Clinton-Bush years and optomistic, go vote for Clinton or McCain, who both promise more of the same....

If, however, you think the country is on the wrong track, vote OBAMA!!

Posted by: kreuz_missile | April 13, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: . | April 13, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

He's going to cream her on this....she opened herself up to a coup de grace....when the Obama campaign comes back at her with McCain's "out of touch" line....she won't know what hit her...I suspect it means that she's going to not just be ahead by single digits in Penn, but is going to lose. To get a taste of what's she's going to be facing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow

I can already see the tv & radio ads for Obama on this theme: "out of touch?"

Posted by: Randy | April 13, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

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HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR

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Posted by: . | April 13, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

So Hillary's downing shots and trashing Obama in the midst of a small town in Indiana. Hmmmmm, what's the imagery here? Perhaps something like what Sen. Obama said in the first place?

Bottom line is, yes, Sen. Obama was a bit inarticulate but, unlike Sen. Clinton, he quickly owned up to it and clarified his sentiments. There's nothing in his background that suggests he's anything but empathetic to the conditions of every American, both those in the urban cities whose children sadly have to duck bullets everyday just to get to school, to those in rural areas who, literally, have driven overnight to get health care from volunteer doctors as reported on a recent story on "60 Minutes." Unlike Sen. Obama who has always spoken with integrity, Sen. Clinton said she ducked sniper fire and stopped short of calling it what it was...a lie! Come to think of it, consider for a moment the thinking that went in to making up such a story. Could it have been pandering to the honest, hard-working men and women from all walks of life who enjoy their guns for all sorts of reasons? Was she repeating this fabrication to cynically score points by tapping into the honest sentiments of law-abiding gun owners? If yes, which I think is the case, then I guess Sen. Obama's point is well made.

Bottom line is both candidates would do well to remember that ALL Democrats are watching this. And, in my opinion, one of the two remaining candidates seems intent on trashing the other. But, hey, if she wins well I guess she'll invite the rest of us to have a beer on her and trust her to do right by us as she continues to profit from her husband's free-wheeling trade deals.

Haven't we seen this movie before? Let's turn the page already.


An Active and Engaged Voter in Virginia

Posted by: SM Jenkins | April 13, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

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The 44th President of the United States

PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA

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Posted by: . | April 13, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama is a Do-Nothing Senator. Obama supporters: name one thing he has done in the Senate! Nothing. Hillary represents experience and accomplishment. And the truth be told, so does John McCain. Obama will lose, if he is the nominee.

Posted by: Rick | April 13, 2008 11:49 AM "

Hey Rick,

Perhaps you should explain what in thirty five years of experience that Hillary claims to have, has she done.
Avoiding "sniper fire" is not experience. Oh, my bad...that was a lie too.

Posted by: Barack 08 | April 13, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

The woman has no credibility at all. Anyone who listens to the endless stream of lies and distortions and get taken by them will in essence display the same stupidity others made in the electing Bush to a 2nd term. I say elected and not re-elected because he was anointed president the first time by the supreme court. We will be getting 4 more years of the same we've already lived thru the past 7+ yrs.

Posted by: tydicea | April 13, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

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HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR

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Posted by: . | April 13, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Forbs
Obama's Magic Numbers
In recent weeks, Trailwatch has repeatedly discussed Hillary Clinton's poor prospects for catching Barrack Obama in the delegate race for the Democratic nomination. It is starting to look like Obama can now win enough delegates, 2,024, to secure the nomination before the Democrats meet in late August.
As of today, our affiliate Real Clear Politics tells us that Barack Obama has 1,641 total delegates and Hillary Clinton 1,505. So let's turn to the Forbes Delegate Counter and plug in poll projections for the remaining contests.
The biggest prize ahead is the April 22 contest in Pennsylvania, with 188 delegates at stake. RCP's latest average of polls has Clinton ahead by nearly 8 percentage points in the Keystone State. Assuming this spread holds once the undecided voters make up their minds, Clinton would win 54% of the vote and 85 delegates to Obama's 46% and 73 delegates.
A similar exercise in North Carolina, where the polls currently have Obama with a 16-percentage point lead would deliver 67 delegates to Obama and 48 to Clinton. Real Clear Politics shows only three polls for Indiana, of which Clinton has a 9 point lead in two of them. For argument's sake, we will give her a 10 point lead and 40 delegates versus 32 for Obama.
Real Clear Politics does not have poll numbers for the remaining states, but Obama has a 5.8 percentage point lead over Clinton in RCP's average of national polls. Even if we were to give Clinton the benefit of the doubt and split those remaining contests 50/50, Obama comes out with 1,922 and 1,787 for Clinton.
These calculations still leave Barack Obama more than 100 delegates short of the total needed for the nomination. So let's go to the superdelegates.
At present, 315 superdelegates are still up for grabs. Using our Delegate Calculator, it becomes clear that Obama would need to win just 33%, or 104, of the remaining 315 superdelegates to get over the top.
--Steve Kichen

Posted by: Forbs | April 13, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

You watch--Obama will turn this into a positive. Having a presidential candidate recognize the bitterness that many Americans feel is a good thing. This gives him an opportunity to champion the little guy, to articulate his/her bitterness. It's too bad he didn't better explain his (true and insightful) points about guns and religion, but he's a gifted politician who will end up strengthened by this.

Posted by: Nic | April 13, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse


HILLLARY TOOK THE BAIT


The Obama campaign is allowing this story to grow, before it responds BIG TIME.

HILLARY TOOK THE BAIT

...now she's going to get the knock-out punch.
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OBAMA'S RESPONSE:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc9PepjyDow


Posted by: Rocky | April 13, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY 2008

We are mad as hell. Boycott MSNBC

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM

Posted by: Anonymous | April 13, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

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HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR

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Posted by: . | April 13, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Ah yes, and now we have for her final act: Beer-swillin', gun-totin', God-fearin' Hillary. Truly, she is a caricature of a politician.

Posted by: miked98 | April 13, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

It is looking tough for Hillary, whiskey aside;

New Internet Results In-
Hillary vs. Barack:

http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=83

Posted by: Dave | April 13, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Senator Obama is a Do-Nothing Senator. Obama supporters: name one thing he has done in the Senate! Nothing. Hillary represents experience and accomplishment. And the truth be told, so does John McCain. Obama will lose, if he is the nominee.

Posted by: Rick | April 13, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Do you Hillary want to know why are we bitter?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2coCz6GZXJU&feature=related

Posted by: Daniel | April 13, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Quite the down-to-earth candidate, while the aides rush to fulfill her order....

By now Hillary Clinton is actively campaigning for John McCain, here's why

http://tpzoo.wordpress.com/2008/04/13/leaked-hillary-clinton-planning-to-run-as-mccains-vp/

;^)

Posted by: old_europe | April 13, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

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