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A Test for the Clinton Campaign


Hillary Clinton campaigns at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway on election day, May 6, 2008. She received an endorsement there from driver Sarah Fisher. (Linda Davidson / The Washington Post)

By Dan Balz
If Hillary Clinton hopes to prove she should be the Democratic nominee, today is the day to show it.

The political environment heading into Tuesday's primaries in Indiana and North Carolina has been ideal from Clinton's perspective. Barack Obama has been on the defensive over the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and the issue terrain is better than she could ask for.

Indiana is as close to a toss-up state as the Democrats have seen in a long time, giving Clinton the chance to demonstrate superiority in a head-to-head competition. North Carolina seemingly offers her an opportunity to embarrass Obama -- if in no other way than by holding down his expected victory margin -- in what should be solid territory for him.

Obama spent last week trying to shake the Rev. Jeremiah Wright off his back. His decision to break with his former pastor won applause from some Democrats and earned him superdelegate support. But Obama strategists know the issue has not gone away. As one Republican put it Monday, when you spend the first 20 minutes of "Meet The Press" answering questions about your pastor, you know you've still got a problem.

Economic issues, the staple of Clintonian politics, are at the center of the campaign now. Whenever Iraq dominated the debate, Clinton was on the defensive because of her vote to authorize the war. But Iraq, while important, has receded. Rising gasoline prices, the home foreclosure crisis, fears of job losses and recession, and, as ever, the cost and availability of health care, play to her inherent strengths as a champion of the middle class.

Obama has been dogged with question: Why didn't he break with Wright sooner? Why can't he win working-class white voters? Why does Clinton beat him in states like Ohio and Pennsylvania when he is heavily outspending her? The concentration on his problems has turned Indiana and North Carolina into tests he must pass -- or face more questions about whether his once high-flying campaign has been permanently brought back to ground.

Clinton has largely escaped intensive scrutiny. Not, of course, on her gas tax holiday proposal. Economists and Obama have roundly criticized that idea, but to her apparent relish. Other ideas she has thrown out -- putting OPEC in the dock at the World Trade Organization, for one -- have not been well scrubbed. That is what happens when (a) you have won recent contests and (b) your chances of becoming the nominee are seen as remote.

As part of Post's the "8 Questions" project that runs in Tuesday's newspaper, I asked a group of strategists a ninth question: Has the emergence of the economy as the dominant issue in the election made Clinton a stronger general election candidate than Obama? Or do her high negatives make Obama the party's better choice?

More of the respondents said her high negatives remained such a problem that Obama was likely the stronger general election nominee, despite the shift in the issue terrain.

Those who said yes cited the Clintons' long history on the economy. "What's left of the Clinton brand remains economic common sense," wrote one Democrat. "Economy has allowed HRC to shine with her depth of knowledge and feel for the economy [and] has highlighted Obama's weakness," wrote a pro-Clinton Democrat.

But they were in the minority. Bill Carrick, who was a top strategist in Dick Gephardt's 2004 campaign, which was heavily focused on the economy, said Obama is still the party's better choice. "Senator Clinton has adjusted to the ascendancy of economic issues with great skill but her negatives have gone even higher as the campaign has become nastier," he wrote. "Obama is still better positioned for the general election."

"The nominee has to be able to say, 'John McCain supports all of George Bush's economic policies. I'm going to make the economy work for the middle class again,'" wrote Steve Murphy, another ex-Gephardt adviser who was part of Bill Richardson's campaign team this year. "I think Obama can handle that."

Can Clinton overcome those perceptions, which may be a major obstacle for superdelegates? One Democratic strategist offered this thought on Monday. "If she performs higher than expected [in areas where her negatives are high], it might suggest that folks are starting to believe she is the better general election candidate and are willing to put aside their negative assumptions about her."

That makes Indiana and North Carolina so important to Clinton. She needs strong performances -- victory in Indiana and a close finish in North Carolina -- to prompt a reappraisal of her general election prospects by the remaining uncommitted superdelegates.

After Tuesday, there will be no real opportunity for her to change the race. The remaining states offer predictable outcomes and the delegate math remains all in Obama's favor. Whether she will risk a bloody rules or credentials fight over Michigan and Florida is not clear right now, but as one Democrat put it, Clinton probably doesn't have the time to overtake Obama and still unify the party.

Still, the past week has played to her advantage and she has campaigned as if she knows it. A slow grind to the final primaries on June 3 is not in her interest. If she cannot capitalize in Indiana and North Carolina, there's little reason to think she will be given another opportunity like this during the rest of the campaign to demonstrate why she should be the nominee. That's why May 6 long has been circled on calendars as so significant.

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Comments

A funny thing happened to the pants suit Queen on her way to the coronation. The good people of Iowa caused the royal coach to lose its wheels. The mendacity, continuous lying, hypocrisy, and just plain greed that has characterized both Clintons ever since Bill entered Arkansas politics is finally being recognized by the voters. Whitewater, the phony cattle futures "profits" (a way to hide illegal payoffs from Tyson Foods), Travel-gate, Monica, Vince Foster, etc. are all a stain on both of the Clintons' characters. Wasn't eight years worth of these two hustlers enough?

Posted by: J Hungerford Newby | May 20, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

As a loyal Democrat and a progressive advocate, I look forward to voting for
Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Obama. (preferably both)

Mrs. Clinton should stay in the race until she wins or can't win. We do not need the
3 more years in the bushes that a McCane presidency would surely carry with it.

Posted by: William R. Pope | May 20, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

African Americans (BACK DOOR SUPPORTERS) of Hillary and Bill Clinton.
Rev. Al Sharpton
Rev. Wright
NAACP President J Bonds
Louise Farrakhan
Travis Smiley
Mr. (Bet) Johnson
and theirare many more.......

J. C. Watts a Black Republican speaks ~ Colleague and Friend of Drevelyn "D" Minor

~ I personally supported and hosted a fundraiser for Mr. Watts at my home in San Francisco the first time he decided to run for a political position in the Republican Party. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The statement below was written by: J. C. Watts a Black Republican and I bet you he has solid information on what he has chosen to share with the public.
J.C. Watts is a rare breed, a black Republican, the first elected from a southern state in over 120 years. Instead of joining the Congressional Black Caucus (obviously primarily Democratic in nature), he was chosen chair of the House Republican Conference (1998). Since retiring from Congress he has headed J.C. Watts Companies, a consultant in business strategies, and is active on several corporate boards. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I must add this; the Republican Party Members (White Men) clearly demonstrated their racist acts toward this young Black Man. He was too young to retire on his on.... ~~~~~~~~~~

Mr. Watts Wrote: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Ed Rendell, the state's Democrat governor and the very effective spokesman for Clinton's campaign there, generously praised Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam 11 years ago. This is an issue because for so many people, Farrakhan is poisonous. It is safe to say his tone makes many voters nervous. ~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rendell, who was then the mayor of Philadelphia, praised Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam's Philadelphia leadership at a rally in 1997. He expressed his "respect for the nation of Islam" and praised local Islam leader Rodney Mohammed for "the intensity of his beliefs, for the decency of his soul, and for the strength of his courage." ~~~~~~~~~~~

Through her relationship with Rendell, Clinton and her team have as close -- or closer -- a tie to Farrakhan as does Obama. ~~~~~~~~~~~

However, it was Obama who got tied to the Farrakhan wagon, and not Clinton. She got a pass. I found it interesting that Rendell was not asked to distance himself from Farrakhan or the Nation of Islam in order to support Clinton. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Nor should he have been asked to. Clinton was not asked to distance herself from Rendell for his praising of Farrakhan, and the notion was never raised by the media or anyone else. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

We often read columns, watch the news and listen to debates with our own biased political filter. Republicans and Democrats alike are guilty of this. We usually don't like the comments made by an analyst unless they lean toward our point of view. As is said in politics, there are three sides to every story. ~~~~~~~~~~~~

Your side, my side, and the truth. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In the case of the tangled web between Obama, Clinton and Farrakhan, we didn't get Obama's side or the truth. We got Clinton's side. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The bottom line is this: Neither Louis Farrakhan or Jeremiah Wright should determine this election, no more than certain endorsements of John McCain should determine the general election. ~~~~~~~~~~

I am more concerned about who can keep America safe from terrorists, who can create opportunity for all, who has the best plan for educating our kids (1.2 million kids drop out of school every year), and who best understands that real change doesn't require just talk, but real, genuine change. ~~~~~~


Hillary Clinton and Farrakhan Positive Relationship ~ it appears in the African American Communities that Louis Farrakhan or Jeremiah Wright are "BACK DOOR SUPPORTERS" of Hillary Clinton. ~~~~~~~

White Americans I pray you will "WAKE UP" and see the games the Clintons are playing with you ~ it's shameful! ~~~~~~~ It's all about money and control..~~~~~~~

Note: Hillary and Billy Clinton wishes to get back in office "By Any Means Necessary." That makes me nervous! ~~~~~~

Drevelyn "D" Minor is voting for Senator Obama! ~~

Posted by: Drevelyn Minor | May 15, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Blondshag,

You are a bigot! Shame on You!

Posted by: carolyn | May 9, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Bonnie,

You are an outright raciest and I would like to know where you go to church. Did you learn this bigotry in church from your preacher? Girl, you better get on your knees and say your prayers and hope that the Good Lord does not hear the hate you are spewing out. I will pray for you.

Posted by: Carolyn | May 9, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse


IF HILLARY DROPS OUT AND OBAMA BECOMES THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, I'M VOTING FOR MC CAIN.

OBAMA NEEDS TO BE SQUEAKY CLEAN AND HE'S FAR FROM IT. TOO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS, TOO MUCH BAGGAGE, TOO MUCH CHICAGO STYLE TRAINING, TOO MUCH ARROGANCE, TOO MUCH REVEREND WRIGHT, TOO MUCH UNPATRIOTISM, TOO MUCH HATRED FOR "WHITEY", TOO MUCH ANGER, TOO MUCH DRIG USE, TOO QUICK ON THE DRAW, TOO CONFONTATIONAL, TOO PRO AFRICAN AMERICAN, TOO MUCH "DANCING LANGUAGE", TOO MUCH BLAMING OTHERS, TOO MUCH SUSPICIOUS CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS, TO MUCH OBAMA TEAM, TOO MANY COMPUTERS REROUTING THEMSELVES TO OBAMA SITES, TOO MANY "STACKED" POLL VOTES, TOO MUCH INFLUENCE BY A RACIST WIFE, TOO MUCH BILL AYERS, TOO MUCH TONY REZKO AND THE CORRUPT CIRCLE OF FRIENDS, TOO MUCH EVASIVENESS, TOO MUCH POOR JUDGEMENT, TOO MANY BAD DECISIONS.

OBAMA'S COLOR DOESN'T MATTER, ALL OF THE ABOVE DOES.

Posted by: BONNIE | May 8, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

I am for ANYONE who outlaws baby murder."Abortion rights"?Stop being tramps.Or at least practice safe sex.Anyone who is "pro-choice" is ,de-facto,a mass murderer.

Posted by: Cheech | May 8, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary wins the Democratic Nomination, I'll have to vote Green. I would vote Green anyway if that party had any chance to win a prsidential election.
Al Connor

Posted by: Alan N. Connor | May 8, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

The DNC thieves stole the vote from the people of Florida and Michigan. Shame, shame.

Posted by: Katherine | May 8, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

The problem is not the candidates but the people who claim to be journalists, news reporters and those who continue their idea of Yellow Journalism. Whenever I read a report written by a reporter, in which the terms "an unofficial source". an "unidentified source" "an official in the governor's office" and "a white house official." I stop reading that article because all I can see there is a bunch of lies written by someone trying to dig up something that is scandalous, and a pack of lies by a reporter unwilling to get facts from an official with a name.
It is not the candidates who keep dragging up the past and the ugliness of the past but the reporters who have to make a living with their words reporting what they purport to be news without facts that have a substance and a face.

Posted by: richardcolonel | May 7, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

If the Democratic nominee is Obama, I will be voting for John McCain. At least he has experience. I'm shocked that the country has not supported Hillary. I had such hope for the future with her ... she really supports the American working people.

Posted by: an independent now | May 7, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Lets sum this up.

Obama was an unknown, she had more name recognition than any democrat in the country, short of her husband.

He had no political favors to cash in, she and Bill had decades of backroom deals and bargains to cash in.

He had no national political machine, she had her husbands twice successful presidential machine.

She made more money last year than he's made in his lifetime. She had all the fundraising contacts, he had squat.

He's been under attack from the Republican Party, John McCain, and every Right-Wing nutball group out there, and they've all been utterly silent on her.

He's been under unprecedented bad media attention for weeks, the lowest point in his career, she's been getting praise and "she can still do it" covereage in the press.

In spite of ALL of this, he's won time and time again. He's leading her in delegates, votes, states won, caucuses won, primaries won, and he's had delegates flock to him as opposed to her by 3 to 1 for the last few months.

Now he wins a state by 15%, and he nearly ties another. He's expanded his lead on her, and she's been forced to loan her campaign more money to stay ahead of her herculean debt.

What more do you need to see to realize this guy is not only a winner, but a more powerful candidate than Clinton and McCain combined?

Posted by: SMS | May 7, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Rodham Clinton is the right president for America.

~~Enough of Barack Hussein Obama.
~~Enough of Obama's - negative and angry wife.
~~Enough of Barack Hussein Obama's mentor and pastor Rev. Wright shouting 'HATE AMERICA' 'HATE WHITES', etc. (20 year Rev. Wright situation - surpise that Obama never heard what his mentor and pastor was shouting.)
~~Enough of Barack Hussein Obama and Obama's other negative relationships such as Tony Rezko the indicted fund-raiser and Bill Ayers.

The media has been far too easy on Barack Hussein Obama -- for far too long. TURN THE HEAT UP ON OBAMA.....REALLY WHO IS THIS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA. So far, the election has beeen nothing more than blacks voting for a black candidate.

GO HILLARY!!!
GO HILLARY!!!
GO HILLARY!!!
Fight very hard for America.
Go all the way to the convention.
Go all the way to the White House.


VOTE - "MY AMERICAN MAMA"
HILLARY RODHAN CLINTON - PRESIDENT!!!

Posted by: Blondshag | May 7, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

History shall soon declare that Hillary is just an egoistic person, desperately neck bend to bear the batch of a one time president of USA. I am interested at a person's judgments on issues at stake rather than empty claims of so called experience , Lets evaluate her early hour phone call;
1)On Irag, she voted to fight without first reading the intelligent report. 2)On Iran, she has declared for obliteration, just bcs it is rumored that Iran will attack Israel.
On the other hand Obama is offering a high diplomatic contact in other to return America to its
high respect and prestige. Finally, she must stop telling lies to earn election
victory, "sniffer fire" A word is enough fr a wise, open your eyes wide

Posted by: Okemiri OJ | May 7, 2008 6:35 AM | Report abuse


"It isn't real clear politics to capitalize Barack Obama's middle name."

How true.

Any man who holds out as their BEST argument against a candidate their middle name is obviously stunted, mentally and probably physically as well.

Or maybe THEIR middle name is Susie or Carol or Ginger or Ophelia or Hillary .....

Posted by: PattysBarn | May 7, 2008 2:51 AM | Report abuse

Hillary I think the armpits will come to your rescue so don't give up prematurally.
You know sometimes you win a few and lose a few but you always know the people who are true. Obama is making more enemies everyday, we could wind up having a civil war and God forbid that Obama would be in charge. You see sometimes we just know things and often people don't realize what they have done to themselves until its to late. You know sounds to me like Obama has been one of those that people feel sorry for. Wonder if he will feel sorry for them if he gets elected president? He will probably be like those who act like they don't know who you are unless you have something they want and when they get it you never see them again. I hope I am wrong, God forgive me if I am. What I have learned--- People have to learn by thier mistakes, it just sad that they are using a presidental election to play games when we have so many problems that need to be addressed. Got milk? WELL YOU PROBABLY WON'T HAVE ANY SOON. Got Gas? Well maybe we can bottle it and make alternative fuel!
Lost your kid in a shopping cart lately? Maybe we need to get brakes. Get brakes and stand firm with somebody that will stand with you. She's still standing by Bill isn't she? I'm sure she would'nt let us down either. WAKE UP AMERICA, some things don't need to changed that's what got us in the trouble we are all in now! If Obama wins you to will probably not be able to use the bathroom in privacy. Modern Technology, Change, that's all you hear Obama say. Face it people some things are better left alone. Why should we waste money on space exploration when we can even solve the problems on earth? Imagine what it would be like if we got aliens involved. Think of the money we could save by offering some of the things Hillary has proposed with a little help from her friends. People she cares just like I do. Just once guys, just because she's a women, don't let that stand in the way. I am sure she would be like me and say I would'nt tell you I told you so. Experience sometimes is better and with the shape our world is in that is exactly what we need. I am not trying to be a smart --- but I have to say my cultural enviroment lately has given me reason to be. I think a vote for Hillary could preserve respect for everyone.

Posted by: MaDonna Bush | May 7, 2008 2:30 AM | Report abuse

Tony Rodham is arrogant..Hugh Rodham is a crook,,,Hillary dishonest ......where are all the honest politicians today ? the Rodhams were originally Republicans, were'nt they ? go figure ....she may be toast now..will she ever give it up?,,the Gov of Kansas may smday be out 1st female president..

Posted by: egia | May 7, 2008 2:10 AM | Report abuse

Hillary I think the armpits will come to your rescue so don't give up prematurally.
You know sometimes you win a few and lose a few but you always know the people who are true. Obama is making more enemies everyday, we could wind up having a civil war and God forbid that Obama would be in charge. You see sometimes we just know things and often people don't realize what they have done to themselves until its to late. You know sounds to me like Obama has been one of those that people feel sorry for. Wonder if he will feel sorry for them if he gets elected president? He will probably be like those who act like they don't know who you are unless you have something they want and when they get it you never see them again. I hope I am wrong, God forgive me if I am. What I have learned--- People have to learn by thier mistakes, it just sad that they are using a presidental election to play games when we have so many problems that need to be addressed. Got milk? WELL YOU PROBABLY WON'T HAVE ANY SOON. Got Gas? Well maybe we can bottle it and make alternative fuel!
Lost your kid in a shopping cart lately? Maybe we need to get brakes. Get brakes and stand firm with somebody that will stand with you. She's still standing by Bill isn't she? I'm sure she would'nt let us down either. WAKE UP AMERICA, some things don't need to changed that's what got us in the trouble we are all in now! If Obama wins you to will probably not be able to use the bathroom in privacy. Modern Technology, Change, that's all you hear Obama say. Face it people some things are better left alone. Why should we waste money on space exploration when we can even solve the problems on earth? Imagine what it would be like if we got aliens involved. Think of the money we could save by offering some of the things Hillary has proposed with a little help from her friends. People she cares just like I do. Just once guys, just because she's a women, don't let that stand in the way. I am sure she would be like me and say I would'nt tell you I told you so. Experience sometimes is better and with the shape our world is in that is exactly what we need. I am not trying to be a smart --- but I have to say my cultural enviroment lately has given me reason to be. I think a vote for Hillary could preserve respect for everyone.

Posted by: MaDonna Bush | May 7, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: tom g | May 6, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

CNN is becoming more biased for Obama than MSNBC,in case noone has heard Obama won N.Carolina(which was no surprise to me) because I posted a comment just sunday night that I knew Obama would win North Carolina and Hillary would win Indiana.They still have not called Indiana for Hillary but she is winning there by 56 to 44,so I believe she will end up winning Indiana.But N.Carolina will end up being a blow out because Obama won 92 percent of the black vote,which FOX and MSNBC have said is a record high,even for Obama.But CNN acts like that is a normal number.If Hillary won 92 percent of the white vote then that would be considered racist.I don't care who gets mad at my comment,but it is clear to me that blacks are the ones who are racist,not whites.CBS just called Indiana for Hillary,but I am sure CNN will wait as long as they can before calling it in her favor.I guess the Obama supporters who said that Kentucky and W.Virginia are not states,will now have to accept that their candidate will have to compete in these two upcoming primaries,because since she won Indiana and he won N.Carolina,this race will go on.I am sure Bill Richardson is crying in his beer tonight because he did not want the race to go on past tonight.He is praying that Obama picks him as his Vice-Presidential running mate.It does not matter to me who Obama picks as his running mate,I will not vote for him.He is too in-experienced to run this country,and I will not vote for someone who will have Rev.Wright hanging around the white house.I will vote for John McCain in the general election.I will still get to vote for Hillary in the Ky. primary on may 20th.And I have no doubts at all that she will win this state by 20 points or more.She will also blow him out next tuesday the 13th when West Virginia votes.The DNC may have the power to disinfrancise the 2.5 million of voters who voted in Florida and Michigan(combined)in this primary,but they can't keep their votes from counting in the general election,and for the record it is a FACT that Obama's name was on the ballot in Florida and he ran T.V ad's in Florida a week before the primary,and Hillary was still the winner in florida so those votes should count.He wasn't on the ballot in Michigan,so either they split the votes 50/50,or have a re-vote,which he opposed.To all of the Hillary supporters who live in Florida and Michigan and got cheated out of this process though no fault of your own,I hope you will support John McCain as I intend to do in November.The black vote and the youth vote alone will not be enough to win the presidency for Obama,they may be enough to win states like Mississippi,S.Carolina and N.Carolina in a primary,but the game will change in November.It isn't over until one of the democrats hits 2025 delegates,but I do realize it isn't looking good for Hillary.I just hope she stays in until all of the states have voted.This is in the hands of the super delegates,and they will no doubt go with Obama,but they have to realize there will be damage done to the democratic party that can't be un-done.The women in their 70's and 80's who have waited so long to see a woman have a shot at the presidency will not be too happy with these results,and the blue collar,working class voters will indeed vote for McCain.The young mothers like myself who need healthcare,will not be happy.So,the DNC can say we will be unified all they want but they are WRONG.I am a first time voter and I will vote in November just to vote against Obama,but I am so discusted with the democratic voting system and these "Caucuses" where people do not get to cast their own vote for the person they support,that I will not vote again.So many people are just jealous of the Clintons and they want them out of the picture.So when this country goes all to hell and gas hits 5.00 a gallon,they will have noone to blame but themselves.

Posted by: kygirl4Hillary | May 6, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

It is not the gas tax that is hurting us. That tax is an important and essential source of funding for highways and bridges. What is hurting us the profits the oil companies are making. If the high cost of gasoline and heating oil were necessary it would not hurt as much. To know that oil executives are making millions of dollars while the rest of us struggle to make it from day-to-day is absurd. Gasoline and heating oil is an essential; almost as much as food and water, both of which are also seeing increased costs because of the oil prices. Targeting the Tax is not the answer, withdrawing the federal subsidy to oil companies is not the answer. The oil companies will just add the costs onto the pump prices and make all the more profit. Our government needs to come up with a SUPER EARNINGS TAX of some kind. Any person who makes a ridiculous high wage from oil in anyway whatsoever would pay a SUPER EARNING TAX on the profits from oil. The More they make the higher the tax; they (THEY, not their companies) could avoid that tax by investing in alternative fuels research and development or something similar. The oil executives, who are paying speculators to keep bidding the prices up should be arrested, charged with racketeering, fines trillions of dollars, and sent to prison!

Posted by: DAlnB | May 6, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

The weirdest thing -- so many people keep mentioning Obama's middle name ("Hussein") as though that is some kind of problem!

Isn't it wonderful that we have somebody to continue our Judeo-Christian-Moslemic tradition? My own take would be to get rid of all religion but the world isn't ready for it yet. So AT LEAST he's not just another whack job going "Jesus Jesus Jesus" all day!

Go Obama. Get Osama!

Posted by: Jeff Wagner | May 6, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Well, Barack Obama has now successfully played his "divide and conquer" cards - the race card, and now, the class card.

I just saw Brit Hume and his pals laughing about Obama winning the North Carolina primary.

For several minutes, they were actually laughing and giggling about the "lower class." They were comparing terms - middle class, blue collar, etc., and determined that we are all the lower class, and the upper class won.

They made me sick to my stomach. If Obama wins the nomination, I will actively vote for and campaign for John McCain. I don't like much of what he stands for, but he doesn't make fun of the regular people in this country, and make fun of them (us) and calling them the "lower class."

I dislike Barack Obama for splitting our country apart on racial and class lines so much, I can't even bear to watch any more of the news tonight. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | May 6, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm not bothering to read the crap that comes before this, including the article, beyond the first two sentences.

Why?

Because even if Hillary Clinton wins Indiana by a narrow margin, we will be back to navel gazing analysis and over-analysis about "why Barack can't close the deal?" If she loses Indiana, but only narrowly, we will get some variation of the same, citing the failure to connect with white rural voters as something to dog Obama for the rest of the campaign.

I get it. You guys want this horse race to go on until Denver. It keeps you gainfully employed. If not, you will kill us with more coverage of Jeremiah Wright, WHO IS NOT A CANDIDATE FOR THE PRESIDENCY, until Denver.

Whatever, Dan.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

All the ranting and flag waving isn't going to change one fact. Hillary Clinton has an Ace in the hole over the other two candidates, and that is Bill Clinton. This is an advantage that can't be denied. She may not want to admit that beause she would wants the American Voters to believe she can run this country on her own without the help of her Husband. However, that is the wrong approach to take, as Bill can be of immense help to her, since he was the president for eight years. He knows the ins and outs of the office that Hillary is after, and his advice would be priceless. McCain would have Bush as a consultant if needed, but that is not what the American Voters want. They have had enough of Bush and ill advice on how to run this country right into debt, a debt that our Great Grand-children will be paying for the rest of their lives. We then have Barack Obama, and the only experience he has had is in the Senate, and his advisor was his Minister who he would like to have not known at all by this time in his bid to be the next President. Doubtful that he would be elected if he runs against John McCain. The only person who has a half of a chance to win is Hillary Clinton and as I said earlier that is because of the ACE in the hole the other two candidates do not have....Bill will help her win..... Not a guess a fact..

Posted by: Butchrgt | May 6, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

If Obama has any hope of being President he needs to throw his big ugly Racist wife under the Bus alone with his Grandmother and the Rev. Wright. I am sure the Obama cult will believe him & defend when he tells them he just discovered she was an American hating, Racist!


Part of the Obama snow job where he portrayed Rev. Wright's paranoid rants as coming from anger that is the baggage as the legacy of of old white racism, carried by old blacks. Well, there is current-day stuff that is alive and well, carried by the young blacks, that is a lot worse than the racism, sexism and homophobic intolerance of the older generation of blacks. It's called Hip Hop, Gangsta and Street culture. It's full of racism, paranoia, anger, violence, abuse of women, sexism and a whole lot of dysfunctional antisocial expression schemes. The social psychological disordered behavior that Rev. Wright's hate-speech-as-sermons represents and coveys to blacks and supported by Obama is alive and well in the current-day generation in Black America. It's just in a newer more dangerous carnation.

Blacks leaders should start speaking out about taking some personal responsibility for high rate of high school drop out, sexual promiscuity, children born out of wedlock, , absence of male parenting/role models, drugs, crime, incarceration, AIDS, instead of playing the victim hood game and blaming whites for black failures! Until that time there will always be hate mongers & race baiter,s to use them and profit from their plight like the Rev. Wright, Rev. Jessie Jackson, Rev. Al Sharpton, as well as 10,s of thousands of White and Black Politicians. In fact the whole Democrat party! Hand outs, instead of a hand up, is the means of keeping Blacks down and economic Slaves! Keeping Blacks as an race of victims and believing all of the above is Whitey fault is designed to keep them from progressing instead of a race of achievers! It is in the best interest of Black preachers and Democrat politicians! Blacks will never be lead to the promise land by hate mongering Preachers like Rev. Wright or by bottom feeding Politicians that wants and works to keep Blacks in the Ghetto, on Welfare, and voting Democrat!

Posted by: Smart Black | May 6, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

It is truly outrages. Indiana(half of it) on central time. So, polls are NOT closed there yet. And just this part hear Chicago, and Gary is heavily pro-Obama. Besides, 600,000.00 of voter voter earlier, reportedly mainly pro-Obama, and early votes are supposed to be counted as the last group of votes. Besides, NC is in difference with Indiana completely on eastern time. And polls have been closed already for an hour by now. So, votes could be counted by now, in difference with Indiana, where they are still not available. Media treated Obama TERRIBLY!!! I hope he would become really even with them when in White House.

Posted by: aepelbaum | May 6, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Restore Honor and Integrity to the White House and to the Democratic Party ... Barack Obama, '08!!!

Posted by: martin edwin andersen | May 6, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Fascinating that the Washington Post online is at this hour reporting no data for North Carolina but has checked Obama as the winner. Mysterious.

Posted by: Vincent | May 6, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

The next episode in Obama campaign will be his role in the Boeing tanker scandal. Stay tuned..

Posted by: ana kai | May 6, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Ok someone please tell me how voting Republican if your choice of candidate doesn't win fixes anything.
McCain wants to repeal Abortion Rights. He wants to make a Federal Law that mandates marriage as between a Man and Woman only, No more Gay Marriage.
He wants to require Health Insurance under Federal Law just like Car Insurance, Yes we would all have Health Insurance but we would be paying for it out of pocket whether we could afford it or not.
What does voting for McCain fix if your choice doesn't get in?

Posted by: Deb | May 6, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

did Bill Clinton make a deal with the devil? remember he said "don't worry we got this." right after his visit with Rush Limbaugh...

Posted by: lg | May 6, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Obama's gonna get trounced in Indiana :(

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

These fixed elections are going to end in violent social unrest.

I hope Hillary is proud of her Kitchen Sink / Carl Rovian games.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

JAKED: I hope and pray.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ionFwC1UUUw

Posted by: max | May 6, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

It is time to TAKE THIS to the streets!!!


The corporate fascist need to be taken DOWN!!!


America is no longer a country of Freedom and Liberty. It is a nightmare of corrupt corporate interests that could care less about the health of the general population.

It is time to fight back!


Washington Post and CNN do not speak to the truth. We need to stand up and BE THE CHANGE!!!

Posted by: With Great Fury! | May 6, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

The doubt about Barack HUSSEIN Obama wins Indiana today IS he will win and be our new president. That not you or i want but the world wants it. No Islamic country is going to listen to a women. If she(clinton) wins then she only good for the USA people. Clinton is not running for the United State, is for her dream to be a president that all.

Posted by: tom g | May 6, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse


50% AND 50% IS NOT A CONTEST THAT IS OVER

NEITHER OF THESE CANDIDATES CAN WIN

FACT IS - OBAMA GAINED DELEGATES BY DECEIPTION

BY "REFUSING" TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT HIMSELF THAT HE WAS BEING ASKED.

HE IS A SNAKE TOTAL POLITICIAN

THE AUDACITY OF REFUSING TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AT A JOB INTERVIEW

VOTERS KNOW NOW WHAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHEN THEY VOTED FOR HIM

WE WON'T VOTE FOR HIM THE NEXT TIME

HILLARY'S A WRITE IN IF HE AND HIS DEMOCRATIC ELITE DC WHITE HAIRED TROLLS HIJACK THIS NOMINATION FROM WE THE PEOPLE - SHE HAS THE "E" FACTOR

McCAIN HAS THE "E" FACTOR


NOVEMBER = REVOTES IN ALL STATES WITH FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN

NOVEMBER - NOBAMA


Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse


"Obviously, the FAKE JakeD at 1:09 PM was not me."

We could tell by the way he was making sense.

Seriously, what's up with you? You have 1,100 pages of Google hits just on WashPo comments sections, and you are almost always the first one to post on any dem primary thread. 23 posts here and almost half of them are yours. That's a little compulsive, don't you think?

You should get out in the open air more and stop obsessing about middle names. It's unhealthy. Rather unappealing as well.

Posted by: drossless | May 6, 2008 1:37 PM
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LOL! Thanks drossless - between JakeDuh and ratcrack, I skim through these posts. Your funny, perfect post caught my eye!

Posted by: LABC | May 6, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse


It is amazing to read these posts...

and discover that the ugly snotty ones are Clinton people.

1)mostly the same four people.

2)and that the Clinton supporters clearly haven't read anything new. Same old silly invectives.

Is that, do you suppose, because they are all part of one of those "hit" groups? Like the ones that flood anyh post where Israel or Jews are mentioned?

Or are clinton's supporters just like her and her vile campaign...wolfenson, blumenfeld, sidney, you know, "new yorkers"?

Posted by: chris | May 6, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse


It is amazing to read these posts...

and discover that the ugly snotty ones are

1)mostly from the same four people.

2)and that the Clinton supporters clearly haven't read anything new. Same old silly invectives.

Is that, do you suppose, because they are all part of one of those "hit" groups that run to any post when called? Or are clinton's supporters just like her and her vile campaign...wolfenson, blumenfeld, sidney, you know, "new yorkers"?

Posted by: chris | May 6, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

This is more of a test to Obama campaign than Clinton Campaign. As many pointed out, it is mathematically impossible for CLinton to win the nomination on the pledged delegates. But she can make the arguments about Obama's electability. If Obama keep failing to win white working class voters, he is in big trouble in the general election. Obama people need to prove he can do better, but so far failed miserably.

Posted by: ana kai | May 6, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is a good choice if war is your thing, if you like the idea of ticking off every world leader, if being the nuclear killer for other nations is what you thought America was all about and if you are willing to be forced to do what Hillary says she knows is good for you regardless of what you think-----Sound like Bush? That's because in very many ways, she is like Bush.

Posted by: karela | May 6, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Why would anybody in their right mind vote for Hillary Rotten Clinton???
Do we want a liar in the White House? (sniper fire) Oh my mistake (mis-spoke)
How about 18 cents off the price of gas?
Lets see if I buy 20 gallons at $3.62 per gallon it will cost me $72.40, now Clinton will get me 18 cents per gallon which is $3.60. Wow I will only have to pay $68.80, with that saving I will be able to take a vacation.

Posted by: viejodelmar | May 6, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

What is really disturbing about Hillary ("Obliterate Iran") Clinton's behavior over the last 3-4 weeks is her need to act as a prototypical alpha-male in her statements about world issues. She is clearly saying things she thinks will get her votes in spite of their very obnoxious international relationship implications. She has no inner moral compass, has "fun" spewing forth manure and has a perpetual "I cannot ever be at fault" mentality. She is, in my opinion, giving Bush license to have a very nasty denouement to his Presidency vis-a-vis his goal of attacking Iran as his final bad deed. If Bush does attack Iran then Hillary ("Obliterate Iran") Clinton will bear much of the responsibility. Where is her promise to prevent Bush from acting on executive privilege to attack Iran without consulting Congress? It is in the trash bin of her vitriolic, immoral, self-serving campaign rhetoric.

Posted by: cbday | May 6, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Reading these post reminds me of a fighter who spends them self up in training against their sparring partner then gases out during the actual fight. I hope you haters on the democrat side have this same venom when the GOP bullies come after you. Please don't start whining like you did in 2004 after the swift boat guys single handedly beat down Kerry. Save your attacks and just vote for the candidate you want to win in the general election and even if your candidate does not win the primary support your party. The republicans sure will.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Rev. Wright is not wrong when he says "OBAMA is just another TYPICAL POLITICIAN" Barack has thrown both his 'white typical grandma' and now his 'moral compass' and spiritual Father under the bus of Political Expediency!

Barack has shown himself as the unvetted, unprepared, pathetically immature (see YouTube "Obama gives finger to Hillary" on stage in N.C. while his followers wildly applaud! Incredible!) candidate. He has been as undemocratic as ever NOT wanting to count votes in Florida (where he illegally campaigned for a week!).

Obama should withdraw NOW, accept the V-P spot and allow the gutsy, resilient much more prepared candidate, Clinton, the opportunity to run so as to avoid another 4 catastrophic McCave years! The choice is Obama's. Of course, being as arrogant as he has showed himself to be (thanks to Oprah, Kennedy's and George Sorros and Getty's millions) and as condescending to those whose very votes he's begging for, he will proceed without considering the future of a country he barely understands...Obama is just "Bush-lite"...

GO, HILLARY AND GIVE 'EM HEALTH!

Posted by: meme | May 6, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Rev. Wright is not wrong when he says "OBAMA is just another TYPICAL POLITICIAN" Barack has thrown both his 'white typical grandma' and now his 'moral compass' and spiritual Father under the bus of Political Expediency!

Barack has shown himself as the unvetted, unprepared, pathetically immature (see YouTube "Obama gives finger to Hillary" on stage in N.C. while his followers wildly applaud! Incredible!) candidate. He has been as undemocratic as ever NOT wanting to count votes in Florida (where he illegally campaigned for a week!).

Obama should withdraw NOW, accept the V-P spot and allow the gutsy, resilient much more prepared candidate, Clinton, the opportunity to run so as to avoid another 4 catastrophic McCave years! The choice is Obama's. Of course, being as arrogant as he has showed himself to be (thanks to Oprah, Kennedy's and George Sorros and Getty's millions) and as condescending to those whose very votes he's begging for, he will proceed without considering the future of a country he barely understands...Obama is just "Bush-lite"...

GO, HILLARY AND GIVE 'EM HEALTH!

Posted by: meme | May 6, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Rev. Wright is not wrong when he says "OBAMA is just another TYPICAL POLITICIAN" Barack has thrown both his 'white typical grandma' and now his 'moral compass' and spiritual Father under the bus of Political Expediency!

Barack has shown himself as the unvetted, unprepared, pathetically immature (see YouTube "Obama gives finger to Hillary" on stage in N.C. while his followers wildly applaud! Incredible!) candidate. He has been as undemocratic as ever NOT wanting to count votes in Florida (where he illegally campaigned for a week!).

Obama should withdraw NOW, accept the V-P spot and allow the gutsy, resilient much more prepared candidate, Clinton, the opportunity to run so as to avoid another 4 catastrophic McCave years! The choice is Obama's. Of course, being as arrogant as he has showed himself to be (thanks to Oprah, Kennedy's and George Sorros and Getty's millions) and as condescending to those whose very votes he's begging for, he will proceed without considering the future of a country he barely understands...Obama is just "Bush-lite"...

GO, HILLARY AND GIVE 'EM HEALTH!

Posted by: meme | May 6, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

JakeD --

Obama hates his White half. Read his books.
The guy's got serious identity issues.

Posted by: | May 6, 2008 5:52 PM

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How does that conversation go? I hate you, no I hate you more. Well I hate the old grey headed grandma in you. Well I hate the big teeth daddy in you. Nig##r! Poor White Trash!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 6, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Vote John McCain
for Bush's Third Term

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

JakeD --

Obama hates his White half. Read his books.
The guy's got serious identity issues.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

How did Barry become Barack?

Posted by: Independent | May 6, 2008 5:42 PM

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How did Independent become Idiot?

Posted by: JakeD | May 6, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Paul

Vote for McCain, he wares a pin, although he voted for the war and would vote for it again. He would vote to have your grandchildren fighting in the Middle East years from now. Why because they will be your grandchildren, not his and he will be in the dirt so it wont matter to him. He did not throw his pastor under the bus but he did kiss up to George Bush for political support. Anyone that is willing to kiss up to Bush after all the mistakes he has made has no political backbone. Our country is doomed regardless of who leads it. My suggestion, vote for McCain and speed up the process. Im tired of dying a slow death. Besides every movie about the end of the world always has a black man or woman playing the president. Gives you the impression that this is a sign of things to come.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama is an arrogant incompetent racist.

If he gets the nomination, McCain's the next President.

Posted by: | May 6, 2008 1:26 PM
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And the worst of it is he's a racist against poor white trash and nig##s because he is both black and white, hehehe

Posted by: JakeD | May 6, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Posted by: LESS Brain Tissue | May 6, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Blog post chuckle of the day ... Barack and William F. Buckley ... and cousin Dick Cheney ... and yes there are black Jews also ... a lost tribe

Posted by: Jack not Jake | May 6, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Once again the media with is insatiable desire for this race to be over will be severely disappointed.

The voters seem to think that Mrs. Clinton who every month seems to be in a do or die state deserves more life.

Eventually even the media will realize that Hillary is the one with the momentum now and should be the party's nominee

Posted by: LES | May 6, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Looks like that endorsement for Hillary is from Honda!

Posted by: Look Closely! | May 6, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

How did Barry become Barack?

Posted by: Independent | May 6, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Either Clinton or Obama will win in November.

The Republican nomination is useless this year.

Posted by: Brittman1 | May 6, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Enough already ... so let O'Bama win and feed him to McCain as a big burger!!

Posted by: Jack | May 6, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Does it really matter?

Media, Self-Styled Intelligentiasi's, Self-Crowned Experts, Punditocrazy's, Talk News hosts and the Left Wing Liberal have already anointed Obambi as the nominee.

The sad thing is Obambi is going to loose putting Republicans in the WH.

I as a moderate Independent would no for someone without experience with ability only to recite expert opinions and without specifics.

Posted by: Independent | May 6, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

OOPS, look at the time!

Guess what time it is!

it's time we had a woman president!

Yay

Go Hill!!

Hillary 08!

Yay, GirlPower!!

Posted by: Typical Clintonista | May 6, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I hope and pray my little heart out every day and thank the Lord for Hillary.

I just hope everyone knows how lucky we will be when she is president. She will give us the gas holiday we need and then go and obliterate Iran, which is what we working Folks Really Care About.

She's right. It is all about "Jobs, Jobs, Jobs" and she wants to start on day one by putting a bunch of people out of work, and let the highways and bridges fall into the Mississippi.

If she is not the nominee, oh, i just don't know what I might do.

I will vote for McCain , or maybe even Hitler.

Like my retarded friend Clara said.

Thank you for listening to my humble opinion.

Hillary 08. God, Please help these people see how smart she is!!

PLEEEEEEAS, GOD!

Posted by: Sandy Crotch, Homemaker, Independant woman | May 6, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

t is SO DISGUSTING that Balz and all the other pundits give recognition to those who have voted for Obama, but the MILLIONS who have voted for Hillary are what? chopped liver? It is so obvious the media is so ready to give higher status and recognition to the Obama-ites and from what I saw in my county caucus, they hadn't a clue about the Demos running for our state offices -- and don't seem to care. So Obama is the uniter??? Not for me.

Posted by: MariaS | May 6, 2008 5:19 PM
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WTF are you talking about? Seriously, the IQ on this message board is taking a nose-dive with every post by a Clintonista. GAHD!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

My belief is that HRC will get the nomination based on voters feeling that she can beat McCain, but I am afraid they will beat her down with the GOP attack machine even worse than they would do Obama. Hillary in case we democrats forgot has a little more baggage than just an outspoken controversial pastor. She has the same baggage that dogged her and her husband 10 years ago. If republicans still had control of congress they would be launching investigations already against her just like they did bill. I also am wary that she will have a problem contrasting herself from McCain on issues like the war, the gas crisis and the housing crises. Think about this folks, if she is struggling to win over a virtual unknown new comer with no real attack machine working against her in her own party primary why are we so sure she will overcome the GOP attacks and McCain who by the way is getting a pass from the media all the way up to convention time. CNN spends the whole day harping on whats wrong with clinton and obama. Meanwhile McCain is backed by basically the same people who is backing bush and we never here anything from or about him for days at a time. No media is questioning him on what he plans to do specifically about the middle east, the economy or any of the issues that they are hammering HRC and Obama over. If hillary gets the nomination then looses dont blame Obama for running and don't second guess yourselves because it wont matter.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

It ain't over till the FAT LADY sings - Hillary campaign announced today that Hillary will be singing on or before June 6th 2008.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Huh-Actually, it is not an Original Question.

I was first shown the result of asking it on Cable News.

Very disturbing. So many people sooooo Politically Active based on NOTHING!

Talk about the Epitome of a time to say STFU!

Sorry, but audacious Hope, is NOT a Qualification for the role of Executive Leader.

I will respond AGAIN, with MY Reasons why I want MY Choices in the Roles of Executives.

But for now, I will continue to wait for even one single accomplishment qualifying Billary or Obasama for Commander in Chief, or Business Leader/Foreign Trade Negotiator/ Congressional Check-Point. :~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 6, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

A Washington Post Reader Blog Scoop:

John SIDNEY McCain found cavorting with Hispanic men today! "Traitor to the party!," many at the scene heard chanted. Barack has no comment, but Hillary vows to obliterate any foreign-looking individual found with 5 miles of the US border ... developing

Posted by: Fudge Report | May 6, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Well Bubba you follow your heart...not your head because you are retarded...but your heart...good luck with that :)

Posted by: Bubba Who? | May 6, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

i hope pray that people wake up and see that she hillary would be a great president. i'll vote for her in may 22 and if she don't get on the ballet oboma gets it i will vote mcaain.

Posted by: clara | May 6, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I KNOW YOU ARE BUTT WHAT AMI ?

Posted by: Bubba White, the Third, Taxland, IN | May 6, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Fine, then, lets just not even HAVE a gas holiday tax.

Now, you got a BETTER idea?

Smarty elitist, guy?

oh you just wannta do nuthin' at all. Mabe wait for the Chinamen to come bail you out agin?

not me, no sir, I wanna get that tax holiday of free gas and beer and bullets and I'magoing with ...

HILRY/McCAIN !!!

Posted by: Bubba White, the Third, Taxland, IN | May 6, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Did any of you actually READ Frances' insanely long post?

It is rude and pointless to let people copy and past their crazed screeds.

It renders this forum pointless, too.

If this is to work, you need registration and limits on word count.

Posted by: Brittman1 | May 6, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh Bubba...I see you are still stuck on stupid...just press play.

Posted by: Bubba Who? | May 6, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Bubba White, the Third, Taxland, IN, that's who...

its writen plain as day right under the part about free beer and bullets.

open yer eyes, HUYSAIN lover!!

Posted by: Bubba White, the Third, Taxland, IN | May 6, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

RAT-The, I think the better question is what each candidate has done - Pretty empty on the DEM side for both of them. If you looked at it reasonably. Both pale in comparison to the experience legacy of McC. However, what is being debated is the future, and who is best to lead teh country going forward.

Everything evolves, Microsoft and Google has proved that, and Toyota is proving it as we type. Sometimes experience really means complacent - and the new will, fresh approach replaces practices that have become yesterday. That is what America is, and why entrepreneurs are the real breed that will always advance. Doing things and judging things the way your father did, ensures you will always ride a horse - regardless of what Henry Ford told you.

Posted by: Huh | May 6, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Bring it on, ol Eagle guy!!

Hoochee Ming couldnt stop me and all his little brown vc!!

I aint a goin back to no people's prison, no SIR!

McCain/Hilry 08

Free gas and beer all summer long!!1


WHOOOOOO.

Posted by: Bubba White, the Third, Taxland, IN | May 6, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

it is SO DISGUSTING that Balz and all the other pundits give recognition to those who have voted for Obama, but the MILLIONS who have voted for Hillary are what? chopped liver? It is so obvious the media is so ready to give higher status and recognition to the Obama-ites and from what I saw in my county caucus, they hadn't a clue about the Demos running for our state offices -- and don't seem to care. So Obama is the uniter??? Not for me.

Posted by: MariaS | May 6, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Bubba,

Your wife/momma/sister/aunt called...she said you put her teeth in your mouth by accident. Would you also mind taking your brain out of your back pocket and putting it back in your head?

Thanks,

John

Posted by: Bubba Who? | May 6, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

NEWSFLASH --

FROM PROFESSOR PAUL KRUGMAN'S BLOG --

May 6, 2008, 9:19 am

Gas tax hysterics

OK, this has gone overboard.
Hillary Clinton's proposed gas tax holiday is not, in my view, a good idea. But the furor over what is, when all is said and done, a small and temporary policy proposal is entirely disproportionate. What's going on?
Part of it, clearly, is the fact that many people in the media really, really want Obama to win and Clinton to lose -- read Kurt Andersen -- and have seized on the gas tax as their latest proof that she is ee-ee-vil.
But there's also something going on with economists, a phenomenon I recognize wearing my other hat: the tendency to place excessive weight on issues where professional judgment differs from lay opinion.
The classic example is free trade versus protectionism. Economists are justly proud of the close reasoning that produced the classical case for free trade, and love to skewer dumb protectionist arguments. I've done it myself.
But all too often, economists then become like the little boy with a hammer, to whom everything looks like a nail. Because protectionism is an issue on which they believe they have some special insight, they inflate its importance, and make free trade versus protectionism THE crucial issue in economic policy -- which it isn't. Trade barriers are a minor issue for the United States today; even small wrinkles in health care policy, like overpayment to Medicare Advantage plans, probably matter more to public welfare than all the trade restrictions now in place.
Yet economists talk much more about trade than they do about health care policy, because they think they know something about it in a way the laity don't.
The gas tax holiday is in this category. Economists really do know something about tax incidence that the laity don't. So when a presidential candidate says something that conflicts with economistic wisdom, it becomes THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE EVER. Except, you know, it isn't.
There's a lot of troubling stuff in both Democrats' proposals. Mandates aside, Obama is seriously low-balling the cost of health care reform, and promising way too much in middle-class tax cuts. Clinton's numbers don't quite add up either, though she's probably closer to the mark -- and both Dems are towering figures of responsibility compared with McCain. Amid all this, the gas tax holiday is a real issue, but a small one; don't let economist's tendency to overemphasize their areas of expertise distort your view.


Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Alright! Good job candidates!!

Supporters: Stand Ready!! =)!

N.C. and Indiana: Deliver a Great Margin!! =)! Cheers!

'08

Posted by: Obama2008 | May 6, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

he survived 22 years in a Viat Cong torter chanber, tha's what he did.

good ol Hochee Ming himself broke his shoulders, but couldn't get that flag pin offen his Proud American Breast.

What'd your guy do?

Gragiate from harvart?

Shoot, even the founding fathers had to start somewheres.

Oh, what your guy got experience not votin' for war? not wantin' to give us a tax holiday?

you can keep yur man, i'll be a votin fer McCain and Hilry

thank ya very much.
phuey!

Posted by: Bubba White, the Third, Taxland, IN | May 6, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm for the candidate who supplies free condoms and hypodermic needles. Nothing like a good condom and needle to finish off your day of watching TV!

Posted by: Seedy Cringe | May 6, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

John McCain wins - blue collar to dumb to vote for their own self interest. Sell them a bag of ____ if wrapped in the flag. Proof - George Bush -

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

NEWSFLASH TO HILLARY CAMP!!!

McCAIN HAS UPPED THE ANTE...

HE'S OFFERING FREE BEER (Coors Light, of course) AND FREE AMMO FOR ASSAULT RIFLES ALL SUMMER LONG.

WE MUST ACT NOW TO PLAGIARIZE THIS IDEA AND WIN PUERTO RICO!!

HILLARY/MCCAIN---FREE BEER AND AMMO ALL SUMMER LONG

OBAMA IS AGAINST IT, THE ELITIST GUN HATER!!!

HE WANTS YOU TO PAY FOR YOUR OWN BEER AND AMMUNITION.

HE JUST DOES NOT CONNECT WITH US WHITE BITTER TYPES.

VOTE HILLARY OR McCAIN, either One...Same Difference.

Posted by: Hillary Central | May 6, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

tel, matiniano-

Question:

What has the Candidate you support DONE, that you feel he or she needs to do again in the Executive Branch?

Accomplishments.

Consider this Question open to all! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 6, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Bubba White, it saddens me to hear your voice once more. My heart was soaring like an Eagle until this happened. I was unaware that you escaped my peoples' prison for the mentally challenged criminals. I have dispatched three warriors to round you up and put you away once again.

Posted by: Chief Two Dogs | May 6, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I am an idiot who has nothing better to do than put stupid ignorant things up that just disrupt a forum where people who stay stupid and smart things about thier candidate cuz I am inbred...wanna coount my teeth?

Posted by: Bubba White, the Third, Taxland, IN | May 6, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I hate Obama, the Black Sob.

He God Danged America one time too many, the racist HUSSEIN, Slumlord, empty soot, vamint.

And his Zombie, Elitist, Educated, Black, Liberal Supporters are mean and say things that hurt me to my Bitter Core.

PLUS, He Aint EVEN QUALIFIED. Ya have to be born here in USA, not Nigeria or Kazakstan or wherever he from.

I wnat a Presidint that is ready for day ONE. I just wish Georgey Jr could run again, but Hillary will have to do.

At least she is for the Taxation Holiday which will bring gas prices back to what they were during the Clinton Sexual Assualt Trials.

Good Ol Slick Willie!

Whooo!

Hillary for Pres, till Jeb runs, the Chicken...

Dangit! What happened to Jeb, anyways?

He was sposed to complete the sirkul, wadn't he?

Slick Willie ? You bet he will, the sly ol' devil.
He likes em young, boss.

Chelsea's friends best be a lookin out, boy, i tell u what.

She aint half bad either now. She come a long way.

Posted by: Bubba White, the Third, Taxland, IN | May 6, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

This conversation regarding who is better, Obama or Clinton, to beat McCain and the Republicans has turned a very serious question into a petty, vitriolic discourse.

The bottom line for me is that I want George Bush/Dick Cheney gone (preferably in handcuffs). The poisoned discourse here seems to be a reflection of what we would get with a Clinton nomination. I am not saying that Obama is perfect, but given the tenor of the last few weeks and months I am not sure I want to watch the Democratic Party version of Grand Theft Auto with Hilary Clinton adding more names to her casualty list.

Posted by: Chas | May 6, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

I've been uneducated and blue collar and I've been educated and white collar. I've been poor and I've been comfortable.

Based on all this experience, plus 51 years in the "university of life" it is a no-brainer to decide who is the best leader: Obama.

It's obvious that he is the only true leader in the pack. Just consider the pandering of the "gas-tax debacle". Obama, as usual, is the only voice of reason. He knows he could make the Wal-Mart set happy by giving them $28. But he also knows that the gas companies will just raise their prices and take that money from us.

Vote for intelligence, education and integrity. We need Obama.

Posted by: martiniano | May 6, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Ah yes, isn't politics fun, now I know why so many people are fed up and cynical about the process. If you really ask the experts, you'll find that the president has very little power over the economy, but more often then not, we vote for a president according to whether the economy is good or not. But that doesn't seem to get through to the voters... Polls show that most people know that Hillary is pandering and not serious on the gas tax issue, but polls also show that people don't care because as we all know politicions are all liars (this just shows she's a better politician then Obama)... Promise them anything to get elected (it used to be a chicken in every pot,now it's 18.4 cents a gallon on gasoline) no one got their chickens back then and no one will get their 18.4 cents a gallon today. The sad part is that it works. If she promises to send me $30 then I'll vote for her, that's what you're saying. The problem is that that promise is about as valid as the chain e-mail going around about Bill Gates sending you thousands of dollars if you forward the email to all your friends (if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is). Oh well, as one pundit put it in these blogs, voters get what thy deserve, and if you vote for Hillary you'll get what you deserve, but the problem is, so will everyone else.

Posted by: tel | May 6, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

kt66,

I am daring you to learn English, which is the language of which this forum is comprising.

Laundry list!

Who is coaching you?

Posted by: Go Vote in Your Own Country | May 6, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

I smell a rat. A so-called Clinton supporter, calling Obama supporters "idiots" repeatedly? Why don't you turn your attention back to your drug-addled gasbag leader, Rush Limbaugh. It's pretty funny how badly the right has its collective panties in a wad over Obama. They are so scared of him, because he will shake things up. The powers that be, that have sent kids to die over a war based on lies, are terrified the money spigot might get turned off.

Posted by: Becky | May 6, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Wow...everyone has a candidate and an opinion, I support Obama but if he was not in the race I would probably support Clinton. Anyone will be better than Mccain.

Posted by: Scrappy | May 6, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

These pretzels are making me thirsty.

Posted by: Huh | May 6, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I hate Obama, the Black Sob.

He God Danged America one time too many, the racist HUSSEIN, Slumlord, empty soot, vamint.

And his Zombie, Elitist, Educated, Black, Liberal Supporters are mean and say things that hurt me to my Bitter Core.

PLUS, He Aint EVEN QUALIFIED. Ya have to be born here in USA, not Nigeria or Kazakstan or wherever he from.

I wnat a Presidint that is ready for day ONE. I just wish Georgey Jr could run again, but Hillary will have to do.

At least she is for the Taxation Holiday which will bring gas prices back to what they were during the Clinton Sexual Assualt Trials.

Good Ol Slick Willie!

Whooo!

Hillary for Pres, till Jeb runs, the Chicken...

Posted by: Bubba White, the Third, Taxland, IN | May 6, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Obama has the majority of the popular vote and seated delegates. We are supposed to have a government "of, by, and for the people". He is ahead fair and square. Every issue that has been raised, has been created by Hillary Clinton and/or her campaign. SHE says he is an elitist and some people believe that. SHE says he can't connect to the working class and a certain number of people believe her, SHE says there is more to his relationship with Rev. Wright and some people believe that. SHE says he isn't electible and some will believe that too. SHE is running this race with false claims and notions, with any sheep she can get to follow her. She doesn't really believe that Barack Obama is an elitist, or that he doesn't care about the working class, or that he is unpatriotic or somehow sinister for attending Rev. Wright's church, or that he is not unelectible. She herself stated in the Pennsylvania debate that she believes he is electible. When asked, she replied emphatically, "Yes, yes, yes". She knows he is. More people in this country have voted for him than for her. She does however understand that she can get a following by creating these falsehoods about him, and she has been willing to do so, because she was so far behind him in the race, she became desperate, and she needs to convince the superdelegates to vote for her based on electibility. That's all she has left. This is Clinton politics. This is the kind of politics Barack Obama wants to change. So much so that he has avoided countless opportunities to counter Hillary Clinton's claims about him with her own hypocritical claims, or her political and personal weaknesses, of which there are plenty. The reason the Republicans want Hillary to win the primary is because they have their guns loaded for her. They won't be the statesman that Barack Obama has been. They know they have a much better shot at winning against Hillary Clinton than they do against Barack Obama. Rush Limbaugh encourages republicans to vote for Hillary Clinton in the remaining primaries, and they've been doing so. The Republicans haven't forgotten that Hillary Clinton was on the board of directors for Walmart Stores for years, and was silent about their labor standards. She wasn't too concerned about the working class then. Her husband had Rev. Wright come to the Whitehouse to pray with him during the Monica Lewinsky scandal. They too thought highly of him at that time. She questions Barack Obama's associations? To begin with, she is associated with Bill Clinton, who was impeached by The U.S. House for perjury and obstruction of justice. While Hillary was First Lady, her husband pardoned several criminals, (140 on his last day in office), including two members of the Weather Underground group. One was Susan Rosenberg, A Member Of The Weather Underground Who Was Implicated In The Deaths Of Two Police Officers And A Security Guard. The other was Linda Sue Evans, Who Was Sentenced For Conspiracy And Malicious Destruction In Connection With Eight Bombings Between 1983 And 1985, Including One At The Capitol. Bill Clinton also commuted the sentence of Linda Sue Evans. (See article below.) He also pardoned his own half brother who was indicted for the distribution of cocaine, and there were two of his pardons that involved Hillary's two brothers accepting monies for requesting to the Clinton's the pardons, and many more of which make Rev. Wright look extremely harmless. (See below.) She lied about Bosnia, and then lied about the fact that she lied. Sounds insignificant? SHE IS WILLING TO LIE TO YOU AND SHE DOES. SHE WILL TELL YOU ANYTHING TO GET YOUR VOTE! She diverts peoples attention onto Barack Obama and so far it has somewhat been working for her. But she is throwing rocks in a glass house. She is promising a gas tax break for the summer, knowing she will not be able to get it to pass, and even if she could, numerous HIGHLY QUALIFIED AND RECOGNIZED economists say that it will not work to save the people money in the big picture. Some believe the people will end up paying more. Hillary stated on Nightline that she did not rely on economists. (And she is going to fix our economy?) Experts agree, she is just pandering for votes. She says she is the one who can best handle "the phone call" at 3 AM, but can't remember what her landing in Bosnia was like, said "I don't recall" 30-some times under oath, couldn't remember where her law firm's billing records were when they were subpoenaed, and didn't know she didn't pay interest she claimed on her income tax. (See below.) She promised thousands of new jobs to New York when she was campaigning for Senator there, and yet New York has lost thousands of jobs since she was seated instead. She then said it was because the president elected was to blame. She promises things she herself cannot deliver, but it gets her votes, and gets her in to the office she wants. And last but not least, she recently boasted that if she were President, and Iran struck out at any of it's neighbors in the Middle East, we would "obliterate them". WOW!! She is promising to get us out of the Middle East, and threatening to get us back in, all in one campaign. Do we really want another round of Clinton in the Whitehouse? Let's see... Whitewater Scandal, Travelgate, Filegate, Vince Foster's death, Pardongate.... We need a Whitehouse staff without the baggage of one problem after another. We need a new kind of politics. We need a change!! As Bill Clinton said in his campaign speech two days ago, "When somebody tells you 'you can't win', it's because they know you can." Thanks Bill! Now we understand why Hillary claims that Barack Obama can't win!!
References:
Bill Clinton pardons controversy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
President Bill Clinton was widely criticized for some pardons and other acts of executive clemency;[1] collectively, this controversy has sometimes been called Pardongate in the press.[2] Federal prosecutor Mary Jo White was appointed to investigate the pardons. She was later replaced by James Comey. Comey found no grounds to indict Clinton.
FALN Commutation of 1999
On August 11, 1999, Clinton commuted the sentences of 16 members of FALN, a violent Puerto Rican nationalist group that set off 120 bombs in the United States mostly in New York City and Chicago, convicted for conspiracies to commit robbery, bomb-making, and sedition, as well as for firearms and explosives violations.[3] None of the 16 were convicted of bombings or any crime which injured another person, though they were sentenced with terms ranging from 35 to 105 years in prison for the conviction of conspiracy and sedition. Congress, however, recognizes that the FALN is responsible for "6 deaths and the permanent maiming of dozens of others, including law enforcement officials." All of the 16 had served 19 years or longer in prison, which was a longer sentence than such crimes typically received, according to the White House.[4] Clinton offered clemency, on condition that the prisoners renounce violence, at the appeal of 10 Nobel Peace Prize laureates, President Jimmy Carter, the cardinal of New York, and the archbishop of Puerto Rico. The commutation was opposed by U.S. Attorney's Office, the FBI, and the Federal Bureau of Prisons and criticized by many including former victims of FALN terrorist activities, the Fraternal Order of Police,[5] members of Congress. Hillary Clinton, then campaigning for her first term in the Senate, initially supported the commutation,[6] but later withdrew her support when the prisoners had refused to renounce violence more than three weeks after clemency was offered.[7] Congress condemned the action, with a vote of 95-2 in the Senate and 311-41 in the House.[8][9] The U.S. House Committee on Government Reform held an investigation on the matter, but the Justice Department prevented FBI officials from testifying.[10] President Clinton cited executive privilege for his refusal to turn over some documents to Congress related to his decision to offer clemency to members of the FALN terrorist group.
Edgar and Vonna Jo Gregory pardons
In March 2000, Bill Clinton pardoned Edgar and Vonna Jo Gregory, owners of the carnival company United Shows International, for charges of bank fraud from a 1982 conviction (the couple were already out of jail, but the prior conviction prevented them from doing business transactions in certain states). First Lady Hillary Clinton's youngest brother, Tony Rodham, was an acquaintance of the Gregorys, and had lobbied Clinton on their behalf.[11] In October 2006, the group Judicial Watch filed a request with the U.S. Justice Department for an investigation, alleging that Rodham had received $107,000 from the Gregorys for the pardons, in the form of loans that were never repaid, as part of a quid pro quo scheme.[12]
Pardons and commutations signed on final day in office
Clinton issued 140 pardons as well as several commutations on his last day of office (January 20, 2001).[13] When a sentence is commuted, the conviction remains intact, but the sentence can be altered in a number of ways. Some controversial actions include the following:

Peter MacDonald - The day before President Clinton left office,U.S. Rep. Patrick J. Kennedy lobbied the White House to commute the sentence of the former leader of the Navajo Nation. MacDonald was sentenced to 14 years at a Federal Prison in Texas for fraud, extortion, inciting riots, bribery, and corruption stemming from the Navajo purchase of the Big Boquillas Ranch in Northwestern Arizona. He was commuted after serving 10 years.
Carlos A. Vignali had his sentence for cocaine trafficking commuted, after serving 6 of 15 years in federal prison.
Almon Glenn Braswell was pardoned of his mail fraud and perjury convictions, even while a federal investigation was underway regarding additional money laundering and tax evasion charges.[14] Braswell and Carlos Vignali each paid approximately $200,000 to Hillary Clinton's brother, Hugh Rodham, to represent their respective cases for clemency. Hugh Rodham returned the payments after they were disclosed to the public.[15] Braswell would later invoke the Fifth Amendment at a Senate Committee hearing in 2001, when questioned about allegations of his having systematically defrauded senior citizens of millions of dollars.[16]
Linda Sue Evans and Susan Rosenberg were pardoned. Weather Underground members, they were imprisoned on weapons and explosives charges.[17][18]
Marc Rich, a fugitive, was pardoned of tax evasion, after clemency pleas from Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, among many other international luminaries. He was required to pay a $100 million dollar fine and waive any use of the pardon as a defense against any future civil charges that were filed against him in the same case. Critics complained that Denise Rich, his former wife, had made substantial donations to the Clinton library and to Mrs. Clinton's senate campaign. Emails uncovered during the course of the investigation revealed that her final donation was provided a year before Scooter Libby requested that she approach Clinton for a pardon. According to Paul Volcker's independent investigation of Iraqi Oil-for-Food kickback schemes, Marc Rich was a middleman for several suspect Iraqi oil deals involving over 4 million barrels of oil.[19]
Susan McDougal, who had already completed her sentence, was pardoned for her role in the Whitewater scandal; McDougal had served 18 months on contempt charges for refusing to testify about Clinton's role.
Dan Rostenkowski, a former Democratic Congressman convicted in the Congressional Post Office Scandal. Rostenkowski had served his entire sentence.
Melvin J. Reynolds, a Democratic Congressman from Illinois, who was convicted of bank fraud, 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice, and solicitation of child pornography had his sentence commuted on the bank fraud charged and was allowed to serve the final months under the auspices of a half way house. He had served his entire sentence on child sex abuse charges before the commutation of the later convictions.
Roger Clinton, the president's half-brother, on drug charges after having served the entire sentence more than a decade before. Roger Clinton would be charged with drunk driving and disorderly conduct in an unrelated incident within a year of the pardon.[20] He was also briefly alleged to have been utilized in lobbying for the Braswell pardon, among others. However, no wrongdoing was uncovered.
On Feb. 18, 2001, Clinton wrote a New York Times column defending the 140 pardons.[21]

Whitewater controversy
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Two allegations surfaced: 1) that Clinton had exerted pressure on an Arkansas businessman, David Hale, to make a loan that would benefit him and the owners of Madison Guaranty; and 2) that an Arkansas bank had concealed transactions involving Clinton's gubernatorial campaign in 1990. In May 1994, Independent Counsel Robert Fiske issued a grand jury subpoena to the President and his wife for all documents relating to Madison Guaranty, with a deadline of 30 days. They were reported as missing by the Clintons. However, the subpoenaed billing records of the Rose Law Firm, which Hillary Clinton worked for, were discovered by a staffer in the Clintons' private residence in the White House in January 1996.
By April 1998, diverted to some degree by the burgeoning Lewinsky scandal, Starr's investigations in Arkansas were winding down, with his Little Rock grand jury about to expire in the following month.[14] Webster Hubbell, Jim Guy Tucker, and Susan McDougal had all refused to cooperate with Starr[14], and each was later pardoned by President Clinton.
McDougal refused to answer any questions while under oath, leading to her being imprisoned by the judge for civil contempt of court for the maximum 18 months including eight months in isolation.
In September 1998 Independent Counsel Starr released the famous Starr Report, concerning offenses that may have been committed by President Clinton as part of the Lewinsky scandal. As it dealt exclusively with the Lewinsky scandal, it barely mentioned Whitewater at all, save for a glancing reference that longtime Clinton friend and advisor Vernon Jordan had both tried to find Monica Lewinsky a job after her removal from White House internship and tried to help Webster Hubbell financially with consulting contracts while he was under pressure to cooperate with the Whitewater investigations.[23] Indeed it was on this one basis that Starr had taken on the Lewinsky investigation under the umbrella of the Whitewater Independent Counsel mandate in the first place.[23]

There was much acrimony from the most fervent critics of the Clintons after release of the Starr report on the Foster matter and after Starr's departure and return to the case. The death of Foster had been the source of many conspiracy theories. Christopher Ruddy, a reporter for Clinton critic Richard Scaife's Pittsburgh Tribune-Review helped fuel much of this speculation with claims that Starr had not pursued this line of inquiry far enough.[28]
On January 26, 1996, Hillary Clinton testified before a grand jury concerning her investments in Whitewater. She noted they never borrowed any money from the bank, nor had they caused anyone to borrow money on their behalf. Over the course of the investigation, fifteen individuals -- including Clinton friends Jim and Susan McDougal, White House counsel Webster Hubbell and Arkansas Governor Jim Guy Tucker -- were convicted of federal charges. Clinton pardoned four of them in the final hours of his presidency (see list of people pardoned by Bill Clinton).
The Senate Special Whitewater Committee issued an 800-page majority report on June 18, 1996, which only hinted at one possible improper action by President Clinton, but broadly accused "an American presidency [of having] misused its power, circumvented the limits on its authority and attempted to manipulate the truth." The First Lady came in for much stronger criticism, as she was billed as "the central figure" in all aspects of their investigations.
Tax returns
In March 1992, during his presidential campaign, the Clintons acknowledged that on their 1984 and 1985 tax returns, they had claimed improper tax deductions for interest payments made by the Whitewater Development Company and not them personally.[37] Due to the age of mistake, the Clintons were not obligated to make good the error, but Bill Clinton announced that they would.[37]
Deputy White House counsel Vince Foster looked into this matter, but did not take any action before his death.[37] Almost two years from the original announcement then passed before, on December 28, 1993, the Clintons did make this reimbursement payment, for $4,900, to the Internal Revenue Service. This was done just before Justice Department investigators started seeking the Clintons' Whitewater files. The payment was made without filing an amended return (possibly because the three-year period for amended return filing had passed), but did include full interest on the amount in error, including the additional two-year delay.[37] The Whitewater files in question, publicly released in August 1995, cast some doubt on the Clintons' assertions in the matter, as they showed that the couple were aware that the interest payments in question were by the Whitewater corporation and not them personally.[37]
Ray report
Kenneth Starr's successor as Independent Counsel, Robert Ray, released a report in September 2000 that stated "This office determined that the evidence was insufficient to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt that either President or Mrs. Clinton knowingly participated in any criminal conduct."[18] Ray nonetheless criticized the White House in a statement regarding the release of the report, saying delays in the production of evidence and "unmeritorious litigation" by the president's lawyers severely impeded the investigation's progress. Ray's report effectively ended the Whitewater investigation, with a total cost to American taxpayers of nearly $60 million.

Posted by: Frances | May 6, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

So the dude above can post anonymously his/her bizarre rants?

This format is useless.

Posted by: Brittman1 | May 6, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Kyle - I think user names linked to Post registration are sufficient. You get used to the regulars: JakeD, svreader, Rat-THE, USMC_Mike, Patrick_NYC, ProudFoot (our favorite Republican hobbit). etc.

That much having been said, Ana Kai could have made his/her point without posting personal info. It reminds me of when someone Googled personal information of Google's CEO.

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | May 6, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Also why do you people keep focusing on "I only have one point to make but I'll keep repeating it over and over again" Jake?

You're just giving him the attention he seeks.

It's Psych 101.

Posted by: Brittman1 | May 6, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

One More Time .. Obama's list of lies

http://obamawho.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/obamas-58-lies-and-counting/

So is HRC still called a liar and a bigger one than Mr Obama ?

Posted by: kty66 | May 6, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter which Dem gets the nomination.

He/she will win in November.

It really IS the economy.

Also, why do so many of you keep posting not comments but TERM PAPERS.

GET TO THE POINT!

Posted by: Brittman1 | May 6, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Look, just because Senator McCain still laughs about the Manhattan Purchase Agreement he arranged with the Tribe's leaders,

DOES NOT MEAN HE IS OLD!

Oooooo, Beads!

LOL! They STILL work wonders at Mardi Gras! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 6, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I dare the Obama supporters from reading this article .. comprising of the laundry list of his lies ...So if you are calling HRC a liar then go through this list

http://obamawho.wordpress.com/2008/03/29/obamas-58-lies-and-counting/

Posted by: kty66 | May 6, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

All in Good Fun, I'm sure. Well, this is what the real Patriots fought for. So we could go online and insult eachother. I, for one, think it's Great, but only for entertainment.

People better not be really voting for McCain in November, though. Let's not cut off our noses to spite our faces.

Whoever the Super Duper Delegates decide on is fine and Dandy with me.

Yes, Sir, I'll be happy to support him all the way to the Whitey House.

: )

JakeD...Why do you do this to yourself?

Posted by: Phil McCraken Haard, Jr | May 6, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Kyle --

Look up a thing called "the delphi method" created by the rand corporation.

The advantage of being anonymous is that it eliminated the effect of people's rank, title, management level, etc, and led to more frank and open discussion.

There is the problem on these boards of some really infantile Obama supporters, but its better than it was before CC did his comment on comments article.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

"Agi:

Why do you think I am faulting Obama for his middle name?"

That's because you have repeatedly posted the Muslim connection and only posted Hillary's middle name when you were called on it months ago.

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | May 6, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Jacksmith,

Couldn´t agree more. Your rigth on every last issue.

Thanks
Nick

Posted by: Nick Burke | May 6, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Katerina...Guess that one went over your head. I'll try to aim a little lower next time.

Posted by: LW | May 6, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I love how Republicans resort to name calling, e.g, the poster who called Obama a "slimeball" and "sneak" above.

They are sad little people.

Posted by: Brittman1 | May 6, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

JakeD's shadow,
Careful now, JakeD is older than McCain ...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Well, according to Jake "Bin Laden" D,

there's nothing wrong with that.

Or this:

Jake "Hillary's Lap Dog" D, either.

Face.

Posted by: HaHaHa,Face | May 6, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I think its fantastic that anyone can post anything anonymously on the Washington Post website. It is evidently the best way to raise the level of discourse in this fractured country. Congratulations to the interweb.

Posted by: Kyle Gustafson, UMD | May 6, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

She is all about jobs, jobs, jobs! It is my understanding she pledged 200,000 new jobs to New Yorkers and they are still waiting. She will transform OPEC in agenda and practice, she was quoted as saying. This is pandering in the extreme, almost in the same vane of ducking sniper fire in Bosnia. This woman is an empty vessel, bereft of content, character or honesty, just making lots of noise and saying whatever to get the vote. In the end if she somehow gets the nomination you will get nothing more than Bush in drag.

Posted by: str8talk | May 6, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

alou posts"
"what is the actual point of capitalizing obama's middle name?"

It's what a blog troll does to get attention; you give it to him by responding to that aspect of his post,ignoring the fact that there's usually nothing there otherwise; all that some posters see is the capitalized Hussein and they ignore everything else in that post. It's childish, but effective - all you need to do is count up all of the posts reacting to it (including my explanatory one ;->) and you'll see how effective trolling can be.

It's too bad he insists on continuing the trolling; Jake can actually be quite effective when he chooses to participate without the deliberate attempts to tick off people just to show he can.

Posted by: jk5432 | May 6, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

People, don't get excited yet. Let's assume Obama is the nominee, and he wins easily in Nov., what will happen after Jan 2009?

The economy is still in recession, the Iraq situation is getting worse, Iran start out to test Obama by adding further fuel in Iraq. Russia is redeploying its strategic long range missiles in Europe, deficit goes to all time high, US$ is worthless. None of Obama's big ticket item will be on the agenda. He cannot withdraw us forces from Iraq because of all the military advisers are against the idea. There is no more room to cut interest rates, unemployment rate cannot be lowered. He will face pressure from republicans to cut spending and pressure from democrats to fulfill his promises. What will he do?

If there then were another terrorist attack, will he use that as a convenient tool to grab power and push forward his personal agenda, like bush did? Iran will likely obtain their nuke and start to blackmail us with our life line, what will he do?

My impression is that whoever is elected will fail miserably and be replaced in 4 years by the other party. So don't get exited. I would rather have republicans in office to clean up their mess before putting in a democratic president.

Posted by: what's the point | May 6, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

The NEOCON lock step is now:

VOTING FOR CLINTON IS LIKE VOTING FOR A REPUBLICAN,

If that ain't Karl Rove, then who is it!

Posted by: harried | May 6, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Jack Smith,

It must be pleasant to live in your head with Peter Pan and the Easter Bunny. Allow me to revise your "you might be an idiot" list, so that it actually reflects some truth:

You say:
"If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of "BITTER"!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. :-(

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)"

Obama never said anyone was "stupid", a "peasant", a "cash cow" or "cannon fodder." Those are your derogatory words. He did say that some working class people have grown bitter about their government ignoring their conditions for decades, BECAUSE THEY ARE. And MANY have stepped forward to agree with him on this, and have expressed appreciation for his candid, straightforward assessment of problems that aren't pretty and often require a candidate to make politically inexpedient comments to address them. But that's what Senator Obama does, because he's not just a politician trying to pander to voters. He's trying to address REAL issues, ugly though they may be, and bring about REAL change. Its the career politicians, the business in Washington as usual Clintons who take this candid and honest comment and place spin on it so that it suddenly looks as though Obama is insulting the middle class. Give me a break.

Moving along, you say:

"If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)"

Call me crazy... but since when did being the First Lady for 8 years qualify someone to be president? Is everyone jumping up and down to have Laura Bush as president? Perhaps Barbara. I think not. Actually, Senator Obama has MORE experience than Senator Clinton, having served in the legislature longer than she has.

You say:
"If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)"

Actually, as we've just established, Senator Obama has MORE experience than Senator Clinton. And there is no doubt he can and will use his experience (and his best asset, which is the fact that he actually truly CARES and wants to bring about change) to fix our broken economy. Since when did Hillary being married to Bill give her the credentials for anyone to assert that she's ready and able to fix the economy? If you think Bill is so great, wait til he runs and then try to get him elected. This election is for his wife, however, who did nothing to help the economy in the 1990's. She was too busy dodging sniper fire in Bosnia then to be bothered with such things! Moreover, Bill Clinton was not solely responsible for the economic growth in the 1990's. If you did your homework and had a little understanding about the ways in which economies work, you'd know that the prior administration (Bush I) made decisions that set the economic growth into play. By the time it was in full swing, Clinton was in office. Additionally, all economies have natural fluctuations over the course of large spans in time that are inevitable, and occur largely independently of any policy decisions made.

You say:
"If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)"

First off, Hillary Clinton is a smart enough woman but she ain't clairvoyant. She didn't "anticipate" any "health care crisis", she just looked around and saw a better system was a possibility. Secondly, yes Hillary Clinton thought we needed universal healthcare in the 1990s. But guess what? SHE COULDN'T GET IT DONE. Her policy was an absolute disaster that made her the laughingstock of the nation. If she couldn't get it done then, what makes you think she can pull it off now?

You say:
"If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)"

Once again, you rely on the accomplishments of her husband to give credibility to Hillary. Unfortunately for you, it doesnt work that way! You also somehow manage to conveniently overlook the fact that HILLARY VOTED TO AUTHORIZE THE WAR IN IRAQ, THE DISASTER WE ARE CURRENTLY EMBROILED IN... DESPITE HAVING ACCESS TO INTELLIGENCE (that all Senators were given) THAT INDICATED IRAQ HAD NO WMDs. And THIS is the person you think can get us out of war? The woman who authorized us to go in? Truly, at this point there is no maybe that YOU are the one lacking in mental faculties... at this point, I'm pretty certain.

You say:

"If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)"

AGAIN... Bill's accomplishments are not Hillary's. When he is the one running for office, then you can use this as a talking point. In the meantime, all you're doing is drawing attention to the fact that Hillary has no real accomplishments, experience or abilities on her own... they are all those of her husband, as you've so aptly demonstrated here. Additionally, it's no mistake that Nobel Peace prize winner and global leader in the struggle to counteract climate change Al Gore is an Obama supporter. Enough said.

You say:

"If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)"

Again. Bill's achievements. What has Hillary done? What experience does SHE have? None. Senator Obama on the other hand has a comprehensive education reform program, one he can urgently understand the need for considering that HE did not come from a family of wealth and privilege who could put him through the finest schools (unlike Senator Clinton.) Obama had to earn his education and access to the nation's top schools the old fashioned way, through HARD work and dazzling intelligence.

You say:

"If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)"

Hahaha. At this point, its comical. Really, keep right on going with your "reasons" for why Bill... erm, I mean Hillary... is such an excellent candidate for our next president. Its just illustrating exactly why Obama will be the one to get the job done. He relies on nobody's accomplishments and merits but his own.

You say:

"If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)"

YES, I DO think Obama can change the way Washington works with his pretty speeches, AND with this experience, intelligence, compassion and dedication. His speeches are incredibly important and instrumental to change, because THEY GET PEOPLES ATTENTION. THEY MOVE PEOPLE, they MOTIVATE them, they have brought literally MILLIONS of new voters into the party and into the political process. And THAT my friend, THAT is what it takes for real change. Political participation. Without it, democracy is crippled. Obama brings the people, and the people will bring change. The LAST thing we need is the so called "political expertise" (aka politics as usual, the network of the "haves" leaving out the "have-nots", undue influence of lobbyists and PACs, catering to the interests of their personal gain and finances rather than the needs of ordinary Americans) of "master politicians" like Bill and Hill. Get with the program, man. America has realized we don't need "master politicians" right now. In fact, after eight years of master politicians there is absolutely nothing we need less.

You say:

"If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)"

All those Republicans voting? I'm sorry, how many ARE voting? I haven't heard any statistics, but I can guarantee you the ones who are voting for Obama aren't doing so to sabotage Hillary Clinton. She's done a fine job of that herself, going from the shoo-in nominee to desperately hanging on by her fingernails, stopping at nothing and stooping to all time lows, fighting like an enraged cat to hold on to what she KNOWS is her one and only chance at the presidency. No, Republicans and Independents are voting for Obama because he's a true moderate despite what is said about him and his voting record, and a lot of Republicans and Independents are moderates also who are tired of the extreme right wing conservatism of the current Republican party. They are disillusioned with the hopeless inadequacy of this conservative movement, which is in the process of dying a slow and deserved death, and are looking to new leadership to right the wrongs of the last eight years. Obama is the candidate who can deliver that. Obama is for America, for our prosperity and for our future.

I rest my case.

Posted by: L. Sanderson | May 6, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is so old, that he thinks that HRC's pantsuits are provocative clothing typically worn by the Devil to tempt men like him.

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | May 6, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

it feels to me like she is getting ready to pass him by, and i have never liked her...

Posted by: david c. | May 6, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is so old, that Bill Clinton forgave him for accidentally saying he dodged sniper fire at 11 o'clock at night.

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | May 6, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Please, N. Carolina give Hillary a win. Clintons are the only Dems. to be re-elected since FDR and the economy was great.
Obambi will be a Carter: weak in governing southern Republicans and Dems. He will also be weak in foreign policy like Carter still is with Hummus today. You see the bad decisions he has made already with regard to his 20-year relationships. He stated his senate champagne in Ayres home and Ill. has three governors in jail and the 4th is about to go. His protector Emil Jones senate president is Obama's mentor. Need we in Ill. say more? Don't be fooled by this slick lawyer. He's a TV personality at best.

Posted by: Tim | May 6, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is so old, he gets emotional when watching Jurassic Park. It brings back memories.

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | May 6, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted something similar on another blog, but dumb and dumber are alive and well and still spouting @#$%^. Bottom line, we want Slick Willie wandering the halls of the White House, with, ostensibly, nothing to do, and a pocketful of cigars!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Jan | May 6, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is so old, if he was a car, it'd be time to roll back his odometer.

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | May 6, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I live in IN & my husband & I voted for Obama today. We are over 50 & are fed up with the status quo. We are glad the voting is over in our state, tired of getting a half dozen pushy phone calls from the Clinton Campaign on a daily basis. The Clintons are after this nomination for nothing but their own agenda's, could care less about the country or the american people. By the way, I thought it was very ironic that Hillary said right before the Ky. Derby to put your bet with the philly. We all know what happened there. Hoping Obama wins in our state, Obama 08

Posted by: Debbie | May 6, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Who cares about the white, uneducated Blue collar morons? These are the people that gave us eight years of the Bush regime and are now reaping their just rewards. Barack should forget the bigots in wastelands like Ohio and focus on CO, NM, MT, SD, NV, VA, LS, & GA. He can redraw the Electoral map and put the entire country in play. This will force the ancient Warmonger to compete & spend money in states that the Republicans haven't had to invenst a dime in during the past two elections.

Posted by: shiva7 | May 6, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is so old, if you ask to see a birth certificate, he'll give you a rock.

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | May 6, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

If Obama wins the nomination, it will be an empty victory because he'll lose by a landslide in November.

If we nominate Hillary, she'll defeat McCain by a landslide.

The more people know about Obama the more unelectable he becomes.

If Hillary doesn't get the nomination, she'll still have $100M, but Obama will forever be the guy that blew Democrats best chance for an easy victory by running before he had sufficient experience to be a viable candidate for President.

If Hillary's the President, she has Bill, the only two term Democratic President since FDR, to turn to for advice.

That's an additional reason Americans will be willing to take a chance on her.

With Obama, who can he turn to, Michelle?

Obama doesn't stand a chance in a general election.

Obama can't win, he can only cause Democrats to lose.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is so old, he DJ'd at the Boston Tea Party.

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | May 6, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Boy, Obama better hold her off today because all of the remaining primaries are in Hillary's home state.

Posted by: LW | May 6, 2008 1:01 PM
What ? She was born and raised in the Park Ridge area of Chicago. She claims to be middle class when the reality is she is, and always has been, an ELITIST.

Jake D,
because you use ALL caps when spelling his middle name.
2. snopes.com: Dick Morris' '08 Play-by-Play Analysis!
E-mail offers 'play-by-play analysis' of Hillary Clinton.
...Politics --> Clintons --> Play-by-Play Analysis Play-by-Play Analysis Claim: E-mail offers "play-by-play analysis" of Hillary Clinton. Example:...
...BILL CLINTON LEAVES TRUTH OUT OF HILLARY'S BIOGRAPHY Go to www.hillaryclinton.com and check out Bill Clinton's syrupy five minute ad for Hillary. He...
...The facts are: Hillary's main extra-curricular activity in law school was helping the Black Panthers, on trial in Connecticut for torturing and killing a...
Sun, 04 May 2008 11:21:22 GMT http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/playbyplay.asp
STOP THE DRAMA VOTE OBAMA

Posted by: Katerina Deligiannis | May 6, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

JUDGMENT: Clinton authorized the Iraq war.

ECONOMY: Clinton proposed a tax holiday that will benefit the multi billionaire oil companies.

LEADERSHIP: Clinton cried after losing a primary.

Way to go...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

If the deiciding factor if JUDGMENT Clinton wins, if the deciding factor is the ECONOMY Clinton Wins if the deciding factor is LEADERSHIP, Clinton wins, BUT if the deciding factor is that the "Educated Elite want to be able to pat themselves on the back because they voted for a blck man then Obama wins...otherwise-ther is no contest.

Posted by: KMG | May 6, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, JakeD, for your comments on Mr. Obama and for your well-rounded nationalism. I can always rest assured that people like you will make my job easier.

Posted by: Satan | May 6, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's got balls? I knew it! No wonder the man s/he lived with wandered so much.

Posted by: Ewwwwww | May 6, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Henry Clay: "I would rather be right than President."

Hillary Clinton: "Pussy!"

Posted by: cwhig | May 6, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Judge Munoz in LA California has ordered Hillary to testify, after the election, for campaign fraud during her senatorial campaign! All I can think of is O.J.!!

There he was...speeding down the freeway...innocent of course...

If Hillary was innocent, she would have held a press conference, turned the evidence around on her accusers and came clean on the whole affair. But NO NO NO...there she goes...speeding away in that White Bronco...hoping they won't catch her!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: twotraps | May 6, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Is this bull.. really necessary?. Aren't you drowned with repeting the same scenario again and again and again?
The fight is over and it's Obama ,the rest with the ifs makes me think about an old french crank "if your aunt got balls then it's your uncle!"...not very funny , not very classy ...but so true!

Posted by: Yves | May 6, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

BTW, there's no embarrassment in winning. As Clinton pointed out, a win is a win. Obama won Guam by 7 votes. It still counts as a win and at least one of Guam's superdelegates have backed him. The pundits can argue back and forth over whether or not Obama should be embarrased if he wins by 5 points. I guarantee you Obama will be laughing all the way to the superdelegate bank. Many in NC have already pledged support to him if he wins the primaries here. And they didn't say by how much. These articles are truly entertaining. Keep 'em comin'

Posted by: kat1park | May 6, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter which dem wins. The Republicans don't have a qualified candidate to run for president. Remember John McCain is not qualified to be our president. He wasn't born in the U.S. or its territories.

Posted by: Speedyo | May 6, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

More like a break or break day. Reality is that the math doesn't work for her. He will likely win NC. She will likely win Indiana. This will not be news. If she were to get an upset in NC or he in Indiana, now that would be news. Nevertheless, she is still broken because she still doesn't have enough delegates. I think its good that she's staying and fighting if that's what she wants to do. I'm not one of those encouraging her to exit. But I do think she will lose. I do not think there will be a problem with the party when Obama is named the nominee. I believe Obama will have lots of support from all members of the party, including blue-collar workers and we will defeat a 3rd George Bush term in the fall. I have worked on his campaign like no other, and it's because I believe he gives us the best chance at a victory in November.

Posted by: kat1park | May 6, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"[W]hat Obama has been subjected to is a classic pincer movement: the Clintons have attacked from the right, subtly and not-so-subtly framing Obama's candidacy as a racial one, and evoking Bill's own Bubba identity and Hillary's totally fabricated working class white credentials. And Jeremiah Wright has attacked from the left: desperate for attention, alternately demonizing Obama for selling out and projecting his own clownish-left sensibility onto the first serious black contender for the presidency. Wright has given white voters permission - and an alibi - not to vote for Obama on racial grounds. The Clintons have given the same voters a Fox News-approved, Rove-blessed alternative to racial transcendence."

Andrew Sullivan

Posted by: Agi | May 6, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

If you need a quadruple bi-pass at 3:00 in the morning and you let the surgeon's wife do the operation....

You might be an idiot.

Posted by: mmfleming | May 6, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Its over and it always has been over. I was a Clinton supporter but I have even found faults in her speeches and promises. It seems to me that she is desperate and is trying to receive the disperate vote. I believe woman are voting for Hillary because she is a woman not because she is the best candidate. I also believe she is receiving mercy votes becaue people are feeling sorry for her. I also believe that racism plays a bigger role then what people think or want to believe. I don't think this is the kind of President that I want in the White House. I do not believe she is doing anything for our best interest. As for her experience lets think about it yes she has been in politics for a while and maybe a little longer then Obana, but look what has happen. She is one of the reasons why the US is no longer number one and why we are in big trouble. She has a bad habit of changing her mind and pointing fingers. Sounds like President Bush! I never saw this before but as I watched her closely there is something about Hillary that bothered me. I have no trust in her anymore.

As for this tax-cut I started to really think about this and I was all for it at first. But then I really started to think and do the research. This is really not a good idea people. Think about it and lets keep it simple. For example you know how you apply for credit cards and they tell you all you have to do is pay the minimum payment but don't tell you about all the interest or hidden fees behind the card or the contract you sign. Doesn't this sound like what Hillary is doing just to get votes. I dont just want relief for a few months Hillary I want it for the long run. Hillary knows that this will not pass and I hope people don't believe this is what we need. Question, why not go for it all they make enough money. The reason why Hillary? Because you know that its not up to you. So why promise us something you can't provide. See another Fault or misleading agenda. "A littel time out to see what happens next." We will definitely pay for it later and she knows it. Yeah give us a little relief and pay double or triple later to make up for it. I will definitely lose everything. This is definitely a political tool she is using to get votes. This really disturbs me! Why pursue something that is going to hurt us in the end.

That raises another question about her. That tells me she is willing to do anything to become world power or the first lady as the President. These are only a few reasons why I will not vote or support Hillary Clinton anymore. But one thing I do realize is this Country is in big trouble and I do believe we are already divided to the point of no return. The hatred level for each other has risen.Its just hidden hatred. But like history has taught us it only take one incident to cause a War or Civil War.

I have notice this subject has come up a few times in the media and in conversations.If things don't get better I do believe it's going to happen sooner or later. Is this the beginning of the fall of the US. I pray to God not! But when people suffer to long and to much nothing else really matters to them but getting what they need to survive.

I am a US citizen and I love my country. I will always support the right and not the wrong. I pray Obama is the right because he has my vote and many others. We are just waiting for Hillary to drop out or the delegates to nominate Obama. Sorry Hillary nothing personal but I believe you have your own personal agenda and will use us the people to get what you want by deceiving us. Nothing personal just my opinion. Thank You.

Posted by: Jorrell | May 6, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

what is the actual point of capitalizing obama's middle name?

Posted by: alou | May 6, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

So much for Clinton's electability:

(CNN) - Tuesday's Democratic primary in Indiana is a major test for three campaigns: Hillary Clinton's Barack Obama's -- and Rush Limbaugh's.

Because many Republicans believe Sen. John McCain, the Republican Party's presumptive nominee, has a better chance of beating Clinton in the general election, Limbaugh has encouraged listeners to his popular radio show to vote for the New York senator. Limbaugh's pro-Clinton campaign has been dubbed "Operation Chaos."

Some exit polls from Ohio and Texas suggest that Limbaugh's "Operation Chaos" may have had an impact on results in both states.

Posted by: Agi | May 6, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Mr Jake D
I think you've gone over the top with your ludicrous and your preposterous analysis and comments.
The American people are not stupid, if you are sending coded messages by calling Barack Obama names; to Islamicized him in order to change their minds not to vote for him you are in fantasyland.
The people of this country are tired with the politics of division that you and your forebears have fed off long ago.
Now is the time to worry about our economic plight and solutions to fixed the rotten system rotten that is lingering in Washington call government.
All these unnecessary and silly posturing you are engaged in is absolutely immaterial.
Discuss the issues and stop attacking candidates, and name calling.
Further more can you be more accurate and informed the public of this 35 years experienced that Hillary have, that Mr. Obama doesn't have.
I will stand by and wait for more of your Venom.
Muyenneh

Posted by: Muyenneh@hotmail.com | May 6, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman,

You are twisting Obama's words. This is what he said:

"I'm right now a little more favored in North Carolina, so Indiana right now may end up being the tiebreaker."

"May" and "is" mean two different things in the english language.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

The Queen Hillary ignores that a lot of her voters are republicans that will never vote for her in the GE. Also, her followers are prejudiced and are not ready to have a decent, eloquent and intelligent leader that happens to be black. Hillary will be remember as the great traitor in the Democratic Party, you know the former Goldwater girl.

Posted by: Jorge Moreno | May 6, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm through commenting on this election. I voted, had my say and am done until the general. However, I must say this author has the COOLEST NAME I HAVE EVER SEEN!

Posted by: HusslinHoosier | May 6, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I am a die hard Republican who is relishing every minute the democrats spend tearing into each other. You have a known liar and panderer who is still competing against a well spoken intellectual! This guy can win and make the Nation proud to have him as our leader. But, no. Too simple an answer. You actually think her downing a Crown Royal and a beer make her a "populist"? Suspend the gas tax? Great policy maker, idiotic idea. What is she going to propose next free health care that cost us more than we are paying now. She is a dud just like her con man husband. They should both be in a prison somewhere. And, you want her to be president? Gimme a break. You folks are going to lose again (thank God). And, you have no one to blame but yourselves. Keep up the good work. President McCain and I both appreciate your assistance.

Posted by: djudge | May 6, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

If Sydney McCain and Hillary Clinton want a gas tax holiday, let them join forces in the Senate and get it passed RIGHT NOW. What are they waiting for?

Posted by: Keith L | May 6, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

So why didn't Hillary, the gun-totin, whiskey chugging, sniper-dodging, pantsuits panderer take a spin around the Indianapolis speedway to show her testicular fortitude? There's a missed photo op for the Billary campaign.

Posted by: oaklynne | May 6, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

i read a lot and i get real facts, not trash, not this drivel and bashing garbage. if you really love this country then you need to really take a good look at who will be our next leader. who has integrity, honesty, isn't out screaming hatered and lies, here's my take on this campaign, clinton"s yes its the two of them not just her. any one with any smarts knows he isn't going to sit by and let her run the show. too many pardon's for questionable people when they could do that. n.y. carpetbagger. win at all costs, don't play by the rules even if they pledged to do so. lies, lies and more lies, well i had enough of their lies, bush/ mccain lots more lies. and flip flop and pander, rev. hauge. falwell, rush limbaum, is that who america is. spewed hatered.
obamba, family man, cares about people, thinks before he reacts. some people think that thinking before you speak is a weakness where actually its a strength. calm, dignified, and he is not rev. wright. i am so sick of the media. all the spewing of rev. wright. not one of them covering iraq, the dead soldiers, the climate (i'll giggle when they are under water, those media big whigs on beach front). when will the people this country wake up and tell the elected people of this country that they were elected to manage this country, not their party, that we are a whole country. that we are in serious trouble, were a debtor nation, one bad crop year and you are all going to be hungry. the only canidate that i will support is barack obama because he is the only canidate that will care more for this country then for the public kudo's and power that the other two will do anything to get. he's come a long way through careful planning, careful consideration of others and he put his trust in us. so he has my trust. yet i fear that all those powers who don't want the status quo to change for the good of the people and only want to hold on to their own selfish wants, won't let him be elected, so i pray that a higher power will open the hearts of the amerian people to override all the selfish crap that we call the government and the media in this country. propaganda used to be a soviet word. today its definately an american one.

Posted by: s. frye | May 6, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Does Senator Obama have the testicular fortitude to a Portland Lincoln Douglas debate after he loses Indiana tonight?

We should remember that it was Senator Obama who emphatically told CNN that Indiana is the TIEBREAKER.

So by his own words it would be a favor for HC to offer Senator Obama a Portland debate tomorrow, if he should lose Indiana tonight. What will he respond, that he prefers to sit on his successes in Ohio, Pa,and Indiana?

Any Obama supporter here willing to deny that he called Indiana THE TIEBREAKER?

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080505/primary_dems_080505/20080505?hub=TopStories

Posted by: Leichtman | May 6, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I lust for Obama. Bring him on ---> ME

Posted by: dylan | May 6, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Education, common sense solutions, hard work, communication and tolerance will go a lot further toward solving the nation's
ills than hatred and intolerance.
The votes of new or crossover voters may select a presidential candidate, but only continued efforts and support will sustain him/her once elected.

Posted by: Marilyn Bryan, Taylor, AR | May 6, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse


He disappointed some Democrats by not taking a more prominent role opposing the war -- he voted against a troop withdrawal proposal by Senators John Kerry of Massachusetts and Russ Feingold of Wisconsin in June 2006, arguing that a firm date for withdrawal would hamstring diplomats and military commanders in the field.

FROM - NY Times article

OBAMA IN SENATE: STAR POWER - MINOR ROLE

HERE IS MORE
"I've been very blessed," Mr. Obama told the crowd assembled in March 2006. "Keynote speaker at the Democratic convention. The cover of Newsweek. My book made the best-seller list. I just won a Grammy for reading it on tape.
"Really, what else is there to do?" he said, his smile now broad. "Well, I guess I could pass a law or something."
They were the two competing elements in Mr. Obama's time in the Senate: his megawatt celebrity and the realities of the job he was elected to do.
He went to the Senate intent on learning the ways of the institution, telling reporters he would be "looking for the washroom and trying to figure out how the phones work." But frustrated by his lack of influence and what he called the "glacial pace," he soon opted to exploit his star power. He was running for president even as he was still getting lost in the Capitol's corridors.
But inside the Senate, Mr. Obama, the junior senator from Illinois, was 99th in seniority and in the minority party his first two years. In committee hearings, he had to wait his turn until every other senator had asked questions. He once telephoned reporters himself to draw attention to his amendments. And some senior colleagues were cool to the newcomer, whom they considered naïve.
Yet Mr. Obama was planning for the future. He spent much of his time raising money for other Democrats, which helped him build chits and lists of potential voters. He tended to his image, even upbraiding a reporter for writing that he had smoked a cigarette (a habit he later said he gave up for his presidential bid).
"I think it's very possible to have a Senate career here that is not particularly useful," he said in an interview, reflecting on his first year. And it would be better for his political prospects not to become a Senate insider, which could saddle him with the kind of voting record that has tripped up so many senators who would be president.
"It's sort of logic turned on its head, but it really is true," said Tom Daschle of South Dakota, the former senator and Democratic leader who has been a close adviser to Mr. Obama.
Knowing he needed insider help, Mr. Obama cajoled Mr. Daschle's former chief of staff, Pete Rouse, to lead his office. Mr. Rouse advised Mr. Obama about managing relationships on the Hill and helped engineer hefty assignments, including a Foreign Relations Committee seat. He sought out senior colleagues, traveling to Russia with Senator Richard G. Lugar, Republican of Indiana, an advocate of nuclear disarmament. (Later, they passed legislation to reduce stockpiles of conventional weapons.) Mr. Obama also sought tutorials from Senator Edward M. Kennedy of Massachusetts, considered the Democrats' master legislator.
But for the most part, he stuck to party lines; there were few examples of the kind of bipartisan work he advocates in his current campaign.
While some senators spent hours in closed-door meetings over immigration reform in early 2007, he dropped in only occasionally, prompting complaints that he was something of a dilettante.
He joined a bipartisan group, which included Senator John McCain of Arizona, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, and Mr. Kennedy, that agreed to stick to a final compromise bill even though it was sure to face challenges from interest groups on both sides. Yet when the measure reached the floor, Mr. Obama distanced himself from the compromise, advocating changes sought by labor groups. The bill collapsed.

HERE - READ THE WHOLE THING
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/us/politics/09obama.html?scp=1&sq=OBAMA+SENATE+STAR+POWER&st=nyt

A YEAR AND A HALF - NOT ONE MEETING OF THE AFGHANISTAN OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE

135 AMERICAN SERVICE MEN AND WOMAN HAVE DIED IN AFGHANISTAN IN THAT YEAR AND A HALF.

TOO LATE NOW MR. OBAMA - DON'T "REFRAME" AND TRY TO FIX THAT ONE WITH SPEECHES AND LIES

YOU CAN'T BRING THOSE AMERICANS BACK - THEY DIED WHILE YOU WERE "TOO BUSY" WITH YOUR OWN LIFE

SOME OF THESE MEN AND WOMEN WERE ONLY 18 YEARS OLD -
THEY GAVE THEIRS WHILE OBAMA WAS "TOO BUSY"


Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"Make or break" for Billary was two months ago (Super Tuesday)! She does not have a reasonable chance to over-take Obama on delegate counts. She should have bowed-out at that time. She now really permanently is damaging the Democratic Party brand with her antics.

Posted by: Billary DONE!!! | May 6, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse


Make or break day for OBAMA?

If not, NOVEMBER = NOBAMA

After we've gotten to know him, he will lose those early votes and delgates he gathered by REFUSING to answer questions at this resume.

He is a slimeball and a sneak.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is toasted. She is a prolific liar; deception and lying is in the genetic makeup of Clintons.

She is for working class folks? Pssst! Give me a break. After making dubious 109 million dollars in 8 years, you think Hillary works for you? or for the lobbyist?

Did not this 'inevitable candidate' taking tons of money from lobbyist said 'lobyist are the part of America'? Hey, whom are you fooling?

Hillary is a scumbag, liar, and a great plotical-cheat. She can change color as she wants too; only fool-hardy folks will believe her.

Vote wisely, Vote Obama.

Posted by: ROger | May 6, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Phyl,

Unfortunately the anonymity of the internet brings the worst out of some people. Fortunately, they are a minority.

Posted by: Agi | May 6, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Pity more people did not heed the comments of JG rather than most others.
Common sense solutions and hard work,
communication and tolerance, and above all, respect for the views of others would go a lot further toward solving the nation's problems than clamoring to have
one's point of view heard and calling all who disagree idiots.
My, my, what hath freedom of speech wrought!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Poor Hillary, now she will try to move the goal posts again after today to spin what is going to happen in Ind and N.C. Maybe she needs to retain Sandy Berger(Burgular?)he is pretty good at that.

Posted by: Meg | May 6, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Now it's been quantified. If you thought the news media had been giving lopsided coverage to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., Senator Barack Obama's former pastor, you would be correct.

He even got more exposure than Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Mr. Wright dominated 42 percent of political stories last week, from April 28 to May 4, according to a survey by the Project for Excellence in Journalism, which uses empirical methods to analyze news coverage.

Posted by: Agi | May 6, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

"As one Republican put it Monday, when you spend the first 20 minutes of "Meet The Press" answering questions about your pastor, you know you've still got a problem."

How inside can you get? Doesn't this say more about the media's priorities and it's own problem? Meet the Press sets the agenda? How sad.

Posted by: ryne duren | May 6, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

The experience argument really needs to go. Lincoln and JFK had even less experience than Obama, and they turned out okay by most people's standards.

And in the reading I have done on Senator Clinton's and Senator Obama's time in that position, I have found that Clinton co-sponsored many bills but only co-wrote one wagging a finger at GTA Vice City for it's adult content (which was minimal) while Obama co-wrote 2-3 bills all with Republicans.

Debate the issues if you will, but the experience argument is nonsense. No one is ever prepared enough to be President.

Posted by: bigpapi | May 6, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

The vile trash talk in some of these messages is unbelievable. Where are you people coming from? Why anyone would want to improve your way of life at his(Obama's) expense is more than I will ever understand.Head back to respect 101,then add, if you want to believe empty promises from the clinton campaign, add the following,"if it sounds too good to be true, it is" The Gas Tax, Iran just two of many.


is!

Posted by: Phyl | May 6, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Obrama lama ding dong hussien hrc boloney mooney ding bat slamma bama. Wright-into soma tmeaboa ldurena fel. Obire arheir dkla;he

Ha ha, because I am a gay lesbian (as opposed to a straight one), I lean towards voting for HRC. My soul says otherwise!

Obama 08!

Posted by: Seedy Cringe | May 6, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I am an Obama supporter, and so far, some of today's posters have told me that I am "a spoiled brat," "a jerk," "an idiot." Someone also accused me of being sexist, ageist, and racist -- all because I exercised my right as an American citizen to vote for the candidate of my choice. I do not appreciate being reviled for exercising my constitutional right to vote. If you support a particular candidate, I wish that you would tell us why you think your particular candidate is strong, and I also wish that you would stick to the issues and problems facing us. Please discuss your candidate's stated policy solutions and assess to what degree those policy solutions might help us as we continue to engage in the serious process of electing our next president.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama had 20 years to change a hate mongering church and he could not change that church.

In fact if you listen to Obama's wife and her hate towards America, the church actually changed them. Also Obama's friend Ayers hate American along with Wright.

How is Obama change anything when he has not changed anything for 46 years, including his own church and friends?

Posted by: Seed of Change | May 6, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Randy Shaw of San Francisco ~ A Colleague and Friend of Drevelyn "D" Minor ~~~ Wrote in the ~~~Beyond Chron.org ~~~for more information please visit their web-site. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


Clinton Moves Right~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The day of reckoning has finally arrived. For all of the talk about Kentucky and West Virginia, and then taking this fight to the convention, Hillary Clinton either wins both North Carolina and Indiana or her hope of winning the nomination is done.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Recognizing the stakes, Clinton has described North Carolina as a "game changer." And she has responded to this challenge the same way that the Clintons have always done: by moving to the right and co-opting Republican policies/campaign messages.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Consider the following:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The summer gas tax waiver: That proposal was initiated by John McCain, and is opposed by all leading Democrats. Clinton used the standard Republican tactic of talking like a populist while governing like an aristocrat in pushing a gas tax waiver that would eliminate tens of thousands of blue-collar jobs, while not costing the oil companies a dime.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Remember earlier this year when Clinton repeatedly attacked Obama's accurate claim that Ronald Reagan had shifted the nation in a way that Bill Clinton had not? Well, in Clinton's raging against the federal gas tax---the one used to build highways and mass transit---she appears to be channeling Reagan and other Republicans in trying to wear the anti-tax mantle in this race.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Clinton's claim that her opponents are "elitist": A classic example from the Republican playbook, which has multimillionaire candidates like the Bushes claim that Democrats and progressives are serving the elite. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Economists are "elitists" whose views should be ignored: Clinton argued over the weekend that she did not care that every economist thought her gas tax waiver was a bad idea, because she said they were "elitists." George W. Bush has shown the disastrous impacts of ignoring expert advice, and Clinton is now embracing the same course. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I agree with Randy and I'm voting for Obama!

Posted by: Drevelyn Minor of Dallas, TX | May 6, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

ckdexterhaven I understand what you are saying but it only holds true if both DEM candidates were equal. I will not vote for a candidate by the color of their party (Red/Blue). I've seen both candidates off camera when they thought no one was looking or listening. I will not vote for HRC. I'll move first. Or vote for any independent candidate other than Nader. A HRC/MCCain election just will get us the equal of two evils.

Posted by: Sparky | May 6, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

It's so sad to see some women rally up behind Clinton just because she's a woman. I bet you those women would flock to the republican party if they nominate a woman. Choosing a candidate based on gender or race is a recipe for disaster. Blacks have proven to be the most level headed people in the country. They consistently voted white democrat males without complaining for 40 years. I guess their loyalty has finally paid off.

Posted by: Agi | May 6, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

William Abu Zayd Ayers
Barack Hussain Obama
Louis Farrahkhan

Only one of them tells the truth. Only one of them speaking truth about their belief.

Posted by: Seed of Change | May 6, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

The media has stereotyped the Democratic Party into 2 groups of people.

One group is traditionally better educated, white, more affluent, heavily female, socially liberal.

Group 2 are your white working class, blacks, less affluent, less educated, and look to the federal government for help.

So, using this assessment, white working folks are busy earning a paycheck daily, while non-working Obama people sit on their as$ posting hate because they live such sad little lives and are LOSERS. 70% of you are whiners and I feel sorry if any of you choose to have children because they will be losers too. At least Obama gives you something to share even if it is for only a short time.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama has been downright polite to the Clintons who have more baggage than a 747. The Republicans would tear them to shreds in the fall. Just imagine a montage of videos -- "I did not have sex with that woman..." "A vast right-wing conspiracy..." "These charge will not be proven to be true...", travelgate, cattlegate, pardongate. Do you know what Bill Clinton has been up to for the last 8 years?? Reverend Wright will look like nothing compared to what we'll be treated to if the Clintons prevail.

Posted by: Lilly1 | May 6, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

harried,

Obama will not lose if we stand behind him. Don't let the Clinton's get away with the electability stunt. The Clinton's sank Dean in 2004 because they believed John Kerry was more electable. They have lost touch with reality. There is a reason why the people were not voting. Because people did not have a choice when it came to picking the nominee. These are revolutionary times. For the first time in decades all states get to decide, and the will of the people will be too strong to be overturned by some party politics.

Posted by: Agi | May 6, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

It's too obvious folks: Repugs are baiting these blogs with sentiments of animosity for supporters of one of our great candidates. Their ploy is to invoke the mistrust so that some portion of the ignorant will simply mark McCain in defiance. So then, everyone just calm down and see who wins. The case is clear: Dems must unite to get either one in the white house. And the truth cannot be hidden: Those who supported Bush are the exact same as the ones who are supporting McCain. Who is comfortable with that?

Posted by: ckdexterhaven | May 6, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Gotta love those MALES like Bill Carrick in the Democratic party talking about Hillary "going negative" and getting "nasty." Give me a break! Hillary has had some hard-hitting ads, but nothing that should ever be declared "negative" or "nasty." Obama, on the other hand, has had ads that directly attacked Hillary's character. His campaign has been disingenuous and dishonest from the start. This Hillary "going negative" stuff from the overly sensitive Boys Club is wearing thin. Especially since the boy's club consists of male candidates who LOST or were strategists for those who LOST past presidential primaries and elections...Dean, Kerry, Richardson, Kennedy, Carrick...If these guys think Hillary is "negative" because of a couple of tough ads, surely their delicate sensibilities will take a real hit when Republicans go after Obama. And the Democratic Party need to know that Hillary supporters are quite aware of the double standard in the "Hillary should step down" talk. I'm sure those good ol' Democratic boys wouldn't be saying that to Al Gore or John Edwards at this point.

Posted by: Debbie | May 6, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Neighbours,

Wehave almost 30 years of old, currupt politics. These thrty years have taken us to the situation we are in.
* Economic Mess
* Military Mess
* Same old rethorick by the shadoes of the past.
It is time for new ideas and young politicians.
Mr. Obama lead us into the 21st century.

Posted by: PCM 01 | May 6, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

People, please do not put JakeD down . He's an admitted racisit and those are rare. Most Racists either don't know they are, or if they do , lie when in the company of a person of another race.

In my life I have heard "NOW WE ARE GOING TO GET A BLACK PRESIDENT!", and the same person turns around and says to the Black porter, "Yeah man, that Stevie Wonder , he's the ultimate"

Racists think you belong to a race that they recognize, and if they figure you are of their race they talk freely. I have heard some things in my life, and it always amazes me that after I have explained to people that my granpa Octave was black, they forget and say that crap stuff in front of me!
It's hard to change the way you've been brought up to judge! People even give money to a man that wears a dress, pointed hat, and talks to GOD, because that's the way they were raised ( AKA BRAINWASHED ).

Having said this I think Barak Obama will lose, even with my vote, in November.
I hope I'm wrong!

Posted by: harried | May 6, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Bad news for the Clinton rule of the democratic party that gave us 8 years of GWB. Your time is up. The people have spoken and continue to speak primary after primary. It doesn't mater how many media pundits they have up their sleeve. This is what they get for running the party like a corporation. The people have unionized behind Obama and will overthrow those who are trying to turn our democracy into a dynasty.

Posted by: Agi | May 6, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

So Ruth do you mean an OREO cookie?

Posted by: Sparky | May 6, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

It still all comes down to a basic issue of building some bipartisanship, not only in the Party, but in government. I see none of those qualities in either McCain or Clinton. Do I want another four years of the kind of nonsense that has gone on for far too long? Here is one white mail over 65, and still a registered Republican and a veteran and my vote will be for Obama in November.

Posted by: CLG | May 6, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

To Jacksmith;
So I guess you are voting for Billary.....
By the way you left off the part about her husband cheating on her with a child, the pervert!
Vote OBAMA!

Posted by: muppet | May 6, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

i am very worried that HRC will be the nominee. Count me among those Obama supporters who will abstain from voting for her or McCain. Rather, I will concentrate on helping the House and Senate win more than a simple majority in the Congress. Neither winner can win with a strong majority in the opposition. Oops! that's not exactly the case with GWB; the spineless Dems couldn't get anything done even in the majority. Maybe they will learn their lesson if McCain wins. That's why I will work hard for the Congress. And, the press will see to it that McCain wins. Clinton and her minions should always have that on their
consciences. Oops! Wrong again. They have no consciences.

Posted by: natalkstlmo | May 6, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

i am very worried that HRC will be the nominee. Count me among those Obama supporters who will abstain from voting for her or McCain. Rather, I will concentrate on helping the House and Senate win more than a simple majority in the Congress. Neither winner can win with a strong majority in the opposition. Oops! that's not exactly the case with GWB; the spineless Dems couldn't get anything done even in the majority. Maybe they will learn their lesson if McCain wins. That's why I will work hard for the Congress. And, the press will see to it that McCain wins. Clinton and her minions should always have that on their
consciences. Oops! Wrong again. They have no consciences.

Posted by: natalkstlmo | May 6, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Sarah: thank you for finding the time to become an informed voter. Our country would be a much better place if we had millions more thoughtful voters like you. Unfortunately the usual rants here just acuse everyone who has intelligently come to your conclusion or who don't believe that Senator Obama has the policies or experience to be nominated as our party's standard bearer, as being uninformed, or as Horrace has suggested disloyal to the Democratic party, uneducated, or racist. Your comments were thoughtful and mature and I would strongly urge you to email those sentiments and share them with the HC web site and blog site. Thank you.

Posted by: Leichtman | May 6, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

HRC is so out of touch with the common man.

When her staff told her she needed to win the NASCAR vote she had her driver take her over to INDY. When they realized the mistake they looked for a woman driver for a photo op.

When was the last time Hillary drove herself anywhere? The only thing she drove was Bill out to look for strange.

Posted by: Sparky | May 6, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

PLEASE let this be the END...I am SOOOOO SICK of that name CLINTON, I could puke!

This woman would be another dose of poison for the USA, we are critically ill from the current dose.

Please GO AWAY HILLERY HEADACHE!

Posted by: Get lost CLINTON! | May 6, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

For years I've thought otherwise but today, after reading some of this stuff, I discovered that I "must be an idiot" because I proudly support Obama. At least according to jacksmith. Thanks jacksmith for straightening me out!

Posted by: Silvanaguy | May 6, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

In 40 years of supporting the underdog I would have never believed that one day my candidate would be the frontrunner. This is a historic moment. Obama's election will show the world that America's beacon of hope and freedom is back with a vengeance.

Posted by: Agi | May 6, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

I cannot vote for Hillary,ever, because she is too, too, much like DUBYA.

Posted by: Dong | May 6, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

1) The Republican schoolyard hate mongering and name calling won't work this year. That crap worked for Bush (barely) in '04, but, given how totally the Bushies have screwed up the country, demonizing their opponents will be seen for what it is - a desperate attempt to change the subject.

2) Isn't there a limit to how many words people can post here? I ignore anything longer than two paragraphs. Be succinct, folks. Get to the point.

Posted by: Brittman1 | May 6, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Hillary doesn't need to ride on the coat tails of her husband. She will be a better President than Bill.

Anyone can listen to them talk and see who is more Presidential. Obama stops and stutters while Hillary knows what she's talking about.

If he can't take a few weeks of a little negativity, what's he going to do when the republicans come after him, sit down and cry?

She's about 15 years older than him, but he looks exhausted while she goes on strong.

Wake up people, just because we have our first black candidate, doesn't mean he has to be President, he's just opening the door for a real black candidate, like Colin Powell, or someone like him with experience.

Go Hillary!!!

Posted by: Ruth | May 6, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Sigh. The folks that stir things up just to stir things up are, once again, mixing to contrary positions. Early on they were arguing that Obama was a Muslim AND an active member of a Black Fundamentalist Christian Church. And, of course, neither of these could both be true, and in fact, neither of them are true. (Obama goes to a United Church of Christ Church, you may remember them under their old name - The New England Congregational Church aka the Pilgrims).

Now it his supporters. On one hand, we are called "idiots" or "rubes" on the other hand we are called "elitists" hiding under the arguments of economists and living in our academic ivory tower. Uh. No. Once again, the truth is far more complex, but the conditions alleged do not exist at the same time. What can be said is that the average Obama voter is better educated than the Average Clinton voter. And I think that this speaks volumes. And if education and intelligence equals elitism, great. We aren't picking the "leader of the Schoolyard" where the smart kid invariably loses to the big kid held back for several grades. Brains mean something. Hillary's far from being stupid. She's one of the brightest people to run for President, and along with her Husband Bill, who is also very smart, would be one of the most intelligent Presidents since Roosvelt. But if Hillary's the girl who is in the honor's class, Barrack's the boy who's the top student in the class. Its time for a smart person to be President again. 8 years of the "Leader of the Schoolyard" is enough. Its time for the smart people of America to say enough. The stupid people have had their sway too long.

Posted by: Elitest Rube | May 6, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

We won't get fooled Again:

Senator Clinton is the same old same old tired democratic pol, she will say what people want to hear, regardless of what is best for the country. Her ego is so big that she leaves a lot of doubt about her ability to listen to experts of their respective fields and play the game of politics that gets her elected or re- elected. A compulsive liar at best, she and Bill Clinton deserve each other, they lie to each other so much the truth eludes them as rain does in the Sahara desert. I'll take the man who sticks to his beliefs, tells the people the truth, even if it hurts because a little pain is good for the soul, it makes you think. If any person believes that our problems as a oountry can be solved without REAL sacrifice, you are in a state of confusion.
Remember we owe our kids more than the debt we created with VODOO economics and lies.
tommic856@verizon.net

Posted by: Tom McMahon | May 6, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Hilary does have some unique experience. She is the first serious presidential candidate who has slept with a sitting President....at least we all hope she is.

Posted by: Soothsayer | May 6, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Feed UP Hoosier,

The clerk in Marion county (Indianapolis and the surrounding area) says turnout has been more like a general election than a typical primary.

If it were to occur that the Indianapolis area's turnout was disproportionately high compared to the rest of the state, Barack Obama could potentially make up a lot of ground on Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Agi | May 6, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Sarah--

When you "look into things" you need to consider the glasses your wearing. It is very clear how yours are filtering what you see.

"I just hope that enough of you out there were able to see past your prejudices to the real heart of the matter, and voted for the candidate who actually does, in fact, stand for change" (Another Clinton is not change, it's more of the same.)

YES WE CAN HOPE that people will do that, but as Obama pointed out in his speech about race folks aren't there yet. If you want petty solutions; a band-aid on your skin cell carcinoma that's great, looks good, but your gonna die of cancer if you don't REALLY fix the ailment. Sorry to hear your scraping by like so many Americans, remember the folks who couldn't afford the gas to escape the New Orleans disaster?............... That's what band-aids like Hillary's gas tax vacation proposal will reap you.

Americans 70% of them are stupid. That's how many are projected to carry a balance on their credit cards. What you paying for interest? 20%+........ That's why this country is in the shape it's in. No one wants to take any responsibility. That's why they fear Obama. He's straight talking about the reality of issues--the gas tax.

People don't want to hear reality when their attached to their fantasy.

Posted by: yakmon | May 6, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

To JakeD;
After all Barack Obama has accomplished in his lifetime and with odds (bigots like you) against him, he still has pulled himself up and made something of himself. After all that, you keep focusing on his middle name. Which, by the way, he had nothing to do with.
You are the stupidest blogger online.
Yes we can..overcome bigots like JakeD, Vote OBAMA!

Posted by: muppet | May 6, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Last evening I was downtown Indianapolis Having dinner. Many people were coming in after hearing Obama saying that after hearing him flip flop on issues the were going vote Clinton. I am sick of the media. They more or less shot down John Edwards down as they did in 04. To the person Florida it doesn't matter who vote for , it gets counted as for the Republican Candidate anyway,

Posted by: Feed UP Hoosier | May 6, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Jacksmith


You're an idiot

Posted by: shuff | May 6, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse


Just want Grandpa to come in second this November. And...have the STRONGEST Democrat face him in the general election.

this is my new years wish

thank u santa

Posted by: jatox | May 6, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Please, with the bitter whine, if you arent bitter you havent been paying attention or you are an idiot. Bitter is entirely accurate. Dont sell your vote away for a $30 summer gas bribe from an ex first 'lady'. We've has a crazy idiot at the wheel for 8 years, giving someone fresh a shot for 4 won't kill us. If BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA (it's his name, whats the beef? I like it, the ppoel wanting to use it against him are the idiots we need to take the country back from)screws up, you can have Bill's old MIHTF in there then, if she doesnt destroy the party for not immediately crowning her Queen of the idiots without a vote.

Posted by: Working Class | May 6, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama's Big Indiana Stronghold Turning Out Big
By Eric Kleefeld - May 6, 2008, 2:29PM

Barack Obama has some good news in the early updates coming out of Indiana. The clerk in Marion county (Indianapolis and the surrounding area) says turnout has been more like a general election than a typical primary.

If it were to occur that the Indianapolis area's turnout was disproportionately high compared to the rest of the state, Barack Obama could potentially make up a lot of ground on Hillary Clinton.

And here's some news about the turnout in North Carolina:

• Turnout is also massively high here, with state officials predicting that the Democratic turnout could reach 50% by the end of the day.

• In North Carolina, 85% of unaffiliated voters have been asking for Democratic ballots.

• Any aspiring "Limbaugh Democrats" who are already registered as Republicans in North Carolina will hit a wall today -- state law allows registered independents to vote in any primary, but voters who are pre-registered in one party can't cross over.

Posted by: Agi | May 6, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Leichtman wrote - "apparently that is the very intent of the Obama campaign and his supporters here. To push all 14 million HC supporters out of the Democratic Party which many of us have given our lives to support."

If some nasty forum comments is all it takes to abandon your life's work, then your lives must be worth very little indeed. Take them, go. We don't need them. Obama is bringing fresh blood into the Democratic party from both the youth, which hasn't been heard from in a generation, and moderate Republicans and independents. These people no longer care about the liberal/conservative dichotomy but are interested in the survival of our nation, the planet and ensuring a better future for ourselves and our children. Perhaps we'll change the name from the Democratic to the Quit Bickering and Let's Get it Done Party. You all can start your own Geocentrist God is White Party. Your emblem can be an equilinear cross, with each stem broken off clockwise to show how you've defaced it. Hmmmm, wasn't there already a party with that symbol...?

Posted by: treetopflyer | May 6, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I just returned from visiting my parents in PA. They live in the north eastern part of the state. I saw Hillary signs posted in front yards. I saw Obama signs in front yards. I even saw several Ron Paul signs. I did not see a single John McCain sign. There's hope yet, but we must unite. Remember that either HRC or BHO will be much better than McCain. Stay united people.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I find it absolutely amazing at how many blogs are deplicting Obama as a Racist!

I find it absolutely amazing at how many blogs are ignoring the out-right lies and pandering that the Clinton's as sold to the American Public... and they are getting a pass; even a pat on their sweaty lying backs for doing so!

I hope America Wakes Up before this nighmare becomes an reality!

Posted by: puddlescited | May 6, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm amused by Clinton supporters suggesting Obama has been more negative. I'm amused by Clinton supporters calling Obama racist while they always type his middle name in capital letters while mentioning him, suggesting he is a muslim.
I'm amused by Clinton supporters suggesting Obama is a liar, when Hillary is the one making all the bold faced lies and then claiming she "mis-spoke".
I'm amused by Clinton supporters suggesting she has experience when she counts experience in non-elected positions as political experience.
I'm amused by Clinton supporters suggesting her gas-tax holiday idea is really going to help people, when hundreds of economists have banded together to oppose her.

It all means that they have no connection to reality. Thankfully, most voters are not so gullible. They see right through Hillary. Obama deserves the nomination.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

kparc,

you don't care about Clinton's treatment in the Media, or you don't care about breaking up the Democratic party. Which is it NEOCON!!!

Posted by: harried | May 6, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

CRMcNeal,

Go watch Obama's last night's rally in Indianapolis before you spout such racist nonsense.

rtsp://video.c-span.org/archive/c08/c08_050508_obama.rm

Posted by: Agi | May 6, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

"Superdelegates also need to think about how many donors the Democratic Party is going to lost because of the way Hillary was treated. I was a big donor in past campaigns and will not give a dime to any Democratic Party affiliate because of the treatment afforded her. I know that I'm not alone."

and "The only reason Obama's gotten the superdelegates he has is that he's brought them with promises of sharing his data base of all the losers that donated to Obama."

Rubes? all 1,500,000 of them and their confounded college degrees?

Obama isn't beholden to large donors with ulterior motives. If you sift past the partisan Clinton fog machine you might start to see the opportunity that he represents.

Posted by: DonJulio | May 6, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

We tried it your way for the past 8 years + let you elect a fellow doofus for the highest office in the US. He tricked you into thinking he was one of you and that "thinkers" were bad people. We all know how the last 8 years have turned out-so why not think for yourselves for a change. Don't vote based on sound bites or quotes you hear on TV; do your own research and then decide.

Posted by: Listen Up White Trash Nation | May 6, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Enough already with the "Make or Break" melodramatic nonsense. You've said that at every primary for months now, and it's not proven true once. It's clear that this contest will go to the conference, as it should. Neither of these candidates will bow out, regardless of today's results. So get over it.

Posted by: rgs_tnr | May 6, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

harried,

How can you say that with a straight face when Obama took out loans to pay for his education while Clinton has made 100+ million dollars?

Sorry, but the new rebranding of Clinton as a woman of the people doesn't quite pan out. As a matter of fact, she is the elitist who thinks she can buy votes by giving people 30 cents a day (at best). To think that working people will fall for that is not only elitist but insulting.

Posted by: Agi | May 6, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Jacksmith is an oxymoron! who can't differentiate his/her nose and mouth!.I wish grandma drops out tonight and save the Democratic party!

Posted by: Pedeen! | May 6, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Here we see the detrimental effects of negative campaigning. No matter who wins, strong and enduring contempt and animosity is instilled against the person who will be the leader of the whole country. Politicians seem to forget that average voters can not change their views and allegiances as easily as they do.

It does us no good whatsoever to have half the party hate the nominee or half the country hate the president elect. Who started it is certainly debateable, but it needs to end.

Posted by: Joebewildered | May 6, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I think Hillary will go on and on, regardless of the diminishing possibilities. I suggest she continue what she wants to do. The Party will survive her.

There has been NO one theme (or a set of well defined one) to her Campaign. Jumping from one to the other "Issue-du-jour," seems a desperate attempt on her part. She looks like she'd turn into anything, say anything, do anything, grab at anything-- to Win. She has changed the goal-post so many times that it's beyond laughable.

Sadly, she has turned into a 'miracle-over-math' "Democratic Huckabee" !

[This is from someone who liked her more than her hubby.]

Posted by: cantabb | May 6, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Contrary to popular believe Obama has become the black candidate, he stages events, the majority of the core of his popularity is from the African American population. Obama has serious skeletons in his closet all of these of his own making. He should have addressed religious issues directly going to the pastor and coming up with a strategy that shows he is uniter not a divider, he has separated himself from his pastor this sad

Posted by: CRMcNeal | May 6, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Jeanne,

Clinton did this to herself by not willing to abide by party rules when she said she would. The last thing we need is another Joe Liberman.

Posted by: Agi | May 6, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Don't care.

Posted by: kparc | May 6, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Superdelegates also need to think about how many donors the Democratic Party is going to lost because of the way Hillary was treated. I was a big donor in past campaigns and will not give a dime to any Democratic Party affiliate because of the treatment afforded her. I know that I'm not alone.

Posted by: Jeanne W | May 6, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I would have supported Hillary if a viable Dem. alternative had not popped up, but he did. She's been in the compost pile too long and the evidence is that she is operating straight from the Rove playbook that was so successful for the republicans. Her tactics have done much more harm than good, it's going to take a miracle for her to get the nod so she's giving the republicans all the ammo they need to defeat Obama in Nov. I am so sick of the Clintons, I hope this is the end of their political careers and they both fade into history. They are a perfect example of what staying in Washington too long will do to people with promise. If she was really interested in winning the White House for the Democrats she would have dropped out and gotten behind Obama but in reality she only cares about Hillary,Hillary,Hillary. They are like spoiled brats and if she is the nominee I think she will have a much harder time against McBush. We want real change.

Posted by: DCPhoenix | May 6, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I vouch for the integrity of SVREADER!
He wants Hillary, and to tell the truth, Barak is really starting to look like a "SUIT" that tries to order a Bud, while fumbling at the gas pump to fill his tank.

Obama's working class credentials are phony from the gitgo. His step father, whom his mother married for the money, is wealthy.
I might remind you posters that Arkansas produces few Rhodes Scholars. And most of PA, (AKA Pennsylvania ), don't get their girl children into Wessley.

This couple, Bill and Hill, is the result of hard work and the grace of the Almighty!

Posted by: harried | May 6, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Some of you Americans sound too shallow, petty and lacking in principle to deserve the place you have in the world. Hillary and Barack are competing in a what is supposed to be a democratic election. Instead of it being about counting votes, what do we have? All kinds of scenarios are presented that border on legitimizing a bogus process. And you're to lead the world! What moral authority do you have if you can't get something as simple as this. If you wanted only opinions to decide the race why waste people's time and precious resources to hold primaries. It's a shame really.

Posted by: Outside observer | May 6, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

My name is Worthy BRANSON Evans and I voted for Barack HUSSEIN Obama. My friend Jack DONALD Drost, of North CAROLINA, is going to vote for Barack HUSSEIN Obama, too.

However, I've faced it. Hillary DIANE Clinton is obviously the best choice for those who eat bran muffins and are lactose intolerant. Barack HUSSEIN Obama represents a different choice. High-fiber cereal that is relatively low in sugar, bathed in 2-percent milk, which in our low-cost community of Columbia, SOUTH Carolina, runs $3.98 a gallon. So you see, the milk-for-gasoline tradeoff does not work in our favor.

So let's hear it for Jack DONALD Drost, who will do the right thing and vote for Barack HUSSEIN Obama on this day.

-- Worthy BRANSON Evans

Posted by: Meepo | May 6, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

My husband and I are both blue collar voters from Indiana. We both take our responsibility for voting very seriously, so we have really been looking into things.

The truth (as I see it) is that Hillary does not have the same emotional appeal as Barack. People don't like her because of things to do with her personality...but this is not a personality contest.

When it comes to the issues - which both my husband and I think are more important than personality - Hillary has detailed plans, whereas Barack has encouraging words and vague promises for the future. Barack's message is hope and change - which we definitely need in this country - but Hillary's message is gas prices, the mortgage crisis, jobs, etc. These are the things that put clothes on my children's backs and food in the stomachs.

We just has a baby, and I am taking this semester off from school (I am normally a FT college student). Because I am not getting my student loan and Pell Grant refund checks, we are having trouble buying food, clothes for my kids, etc. The economy is my #1 concern, and the war is my second.

A lot of people, including the Obama campaign, are riding Hillary about her gas tax holiday, but I think that this is deceitful. Yes, her tax thing will only save us a small amount of money, but that is money that I can use to buy food, and it comes at a time when we need it the most. And, she also has a very detailed LONG-TERM plan, which no one ever seems to want to acknowledge. So, Barack must not care about what we are going through now, especially since he feels it gives him an advantage over Hillary. Not good, if you ask me.

I could go on and on, but I won't. The reason I wrote this is because I am sick and tired of seeing all of the Hillary supporters being labelled as idiots. This is something that many of us - my husband and I included - have taken a lot of time and effort to look into. There were many times when I found myself being swayed by Obama's message, but in the end, I always came back to one question: "OK, it's great what you're saying...so WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?!" And I have yet to hear anything other than those same vague promises.

Yes, we need change. However, we also need strength, leadership, courage, experience, fortitude, determination, wisdom, and capability - which will ultimately lead to change. This is why both my husband and I voted for Hillary. I just hope that enough of you out there were able to see past your prejudices to the real heart of the matter, and voted for the candidate who actually does, in fact, stand for change.

Peace.

Posted by: Sarah | May 6, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

The only reason Obama's gotten the superdelegates he has is that he's brought them with promises of sharing his data base of all the losers that donated to Obama.

Obama's supporters are the biggest rubes in history.

Obama's using you guys like he's used everyone else in his life.

Good luck when he throws you under the bus with the rest of the people who made the mistake of getting involved with him.

He's playing for suckers and you can't line up fast enough to do it.

Remember "the walrus and the carpenter"

You're Barry's Oysters.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

The campaign dollars and number of donors for Sen. Obama's campaign do not matter -- in spite of the perverse spending in OH, TX, and PA, he lost. Given the dire economic crisis we are experiencing, we cannot afford to support an amateur as president, people! But then again, intelligent folks know this in contrast to the swooning first-time voters who have never even written a letter to their local reps. It's about experience, not lofty speeches of "hope" and "change" (not new concepts). Sen. Obama has NO record of accomplishment. It will be Hillary all the way to the Oval Office!

Posted by: Madame Pres | May 6, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Rick
Who says America is stupid proof?

Posted by: bdg | May 6, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

....I believe the perfect team would be Hillary and Joe Lieberman...Hillary/Lieberman 2008....They are both REPUBLICANS in Democratic clothing. The true dream team....January 20, 2009....the end of an ERROR....OBAMA 2008.

Posted by: Drivensnow | May 6, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

JakeD is an idiot and a bigot (look it up - don't infer the meaning).

Posted by: swanieaz | May 6, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA CUZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Posted by: Denzel Miles | May 6, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I love the real "JakeD". Absolutely brilliant. I think every time he shows up and starts his racist BS one of us should do the same thing and start posting more "JakeD" stuff. Seems very fitting!

Posted by: Brian | May 6, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

(1) Please stop worrying about Florida and Michigan. There's no chance they'll be seated as voted in January. The best scenario for Clinton is a compromise where she ends up netting 15-30 delegates from the two states combined (for example, a 50-50 split in Michigan's unconstitutional primary, and a 50% reduction in delegates from Florida's primary).

(2) Please stop worrying about today's voting. Indiana is a Clinton win by 5-10 points. North Carolina is an Obama win by 5-10 points. Bottom line: Obama will net a few delegates and probably under 100,000 popular votes from today.

(3) This thing is going until June 3. Clinton won't drop out because she actually has some momentum, and Obama is still winning, even after 7 weeks of bad press, so he's in too.

I predict that by June 15, the remaining undeclared superdelegates will publicly endorse, and Democrats will have our putative nominee. (I believe it will be Obama, but the important thing, party-wise, is to have this done well before the convention.)

So relax, try to enjoy the next four weeks, and watch out for the spin! :-)

Posted by: BMR, Pittsburgh PA | May 6, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who calls themselves a Clinton supporter can go ahead and begin calling yourself a Republican.
Posted by: Leichtman | May 6, 2008 2:02 PM


Bother to actually read my post. I was quoting Obama supporter Horrace and then explaining how destructive his post was.

And Lynne: glad you had 22,000 college students show up for an Indiana Obama rally. Remember Sen Obama also had 35,000 students show up for a Penn State rally. How did that work out for you in Pa? As I recall 73% of Pa Catholics voted for HC, real insightful Lynne.

Posted by: Leichtman | May 6, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm for Hillary all the way....I do not believe Senator Zero can carry the fall election, but I do believe HRC can do it....it won't be a walk in the Rose Garden, but if anybody can do it, she can.
Don't really want for more years of Republican rule, and DEFINITELY don't want even four minutes of Senator Zero in the Oval Office.

Posted by: rhewitt | May 6, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I am just glad I am not Jack Smith who is, in fact, an idiot.

Posted by: Rick | May 6, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

"North Carolina seemingly offers her an opportunity to embarrass Obama -- if in no other way than by holding down his expected victory margin -- in what should be solid territory for him."

Dan did you say that about Billary's win in Pennsylvania? She was projected to be 20 points ahead and only squeaked out less than 10. Now that's an embarrassment the media forgot to mention...

I'm going... the media is making me nauseous again.

BRRRAAAARFFEDPFITT!!!

Sorry, To late.....

Posted by: yakmon | May 6, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Baracki the boy genius is behind in Indiana and barely holding his own in North Carolina according to latest exit polling on the AP wire service.

Over 20% of the voters are registered Republicans many of them saying they are following their leader Rush Limbaugh's orders to vote for the Hill.

This is going to be one big headache for the Dems to figure this mess out tomorrow.

And it just keeps getting worse.

Posted by: dylan | May 6, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Yes!She is in this race for glory,nothing more.She is a pathological LIAR.She killed Vince Foster.She ruined Billy Dales life.She made illegal stock deals.She wiretapped repubs and dem detractors without a warrant.And she considers "the poor" as "useful idiots".Besides,she is UGLY!

Posted by: Cheech | May 6, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Outsider: "Could anyone tell me why you think Clinton is more negative than Obama?"

Because she's very desperate and in denial and wants to win more than anything else that really matters.

Like a spiked burr in a dog's fur that you can't shake out.

Posted by: DonJulio | May 6, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

svreader, why are you not signing your posts?

Posted by: Joebewildered | May 6, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh your So right. I mean if Hillary wins three in a row Obama should just throw in the towel... (Oops, I forgot Billary lost in Guam,) make that two in a row. Just like Hillary did when Obama won what eight or ten in a row, after the super tuesday where she was going to wrap up the nomination. I forgot--those states don't really count cause Billary didn't win them. Funny how she's so concerned about the voters who's illegitimate votes don't count--Florida, Michigan, where as those states whose vote was legitimate don't really matter, cause they didn't vote for her.....

To put it another way, the only people that are important are those people who voted for Hillary--sounds like Bush light to me... Also, can't figure out why she just can't close the deal. I mean she was projected to have the whole thing finished after super tuesday... The voters must just not like her?

The Facts: Obama has over 130 delegates more that Billary. She can't win legitimately. She can't close the gap unless almost every super delegate left to decide chooses Billary, and that ain't gonna fly with the American voter without a serious fight. Wanna lose the whitehouse in November? Nominate Billary against the will of the voters. Though trashing the country for personal gain never stopped the Clintons, when there's an ego to assuage.

Posted by: yakmon | May 6, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

svreader,
Still afraid to post your name, huh? I see you haven't worn out your CTRL and V keys yet, but you really need to get some new material. Why don't you get back to making your millions instead of posting your tireless drivel here? Maybe you can "compile" up some new stuff while you're at it.

BTW, all caps is not a good look for you.

Posted by: svloser | May 6, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

.. apparently that is the very intent of the Obama campaign and his supporters here. To push all 14 million HC supporters out of the Democratic Party which many of us have given our lives to support.

Posted by: Leichtman | May 6, 2008 2:02 PM

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Certainly that is not the intent of the Obama campaign. Obama needs the Hillary supporters to win in Nov and I suspect that will happen. Hillary has said she will endorse and "work her heart out" for Obama if he is the nominee. Most of her people, over time, will get over the disappointment and vote for Obama. Certainly McCain is not an option for any reasonable Democrat.

Posted by: Bob, DC | May 6, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Interesting article, but you fells you ask the most reasonal question: Why Mrs. Clinton couln't close the Gap? After the Pennsylvania primaries, everybody were asking why Obama cannot close the deal. Now, you fells to ask the same question to your colleaques and the clinton's campaign. I have not intended to discridit your article, but the reasonal and genuine question was not asked.

Posted by: Citizen, Denver | May 6, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah, he has admitted that and said he learned from that experience that gas tax incentives do not work. Hillary has yet to realize that."

Because like good ol' G.W., Hillary has selective hearing - and by today's political standards once you make a statement - no matter how off the mark you might be - you have to defend it to the end. It's not about the people, it's about saving face, with the added bonus of pandering to what must be a lot of uninformed voters. Sad commentary.

Yet Obama continues to hold his own, despite being triple-teamed by the Clinton clan.

Posted by: DonJulio | May 6, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who calls themselves a Clinton supporter can go ahead and begin calling yourself a Republican.
Posted by: Leichtman | May 6, 2008 2:02 PM
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Really, Leichman? Barak looks more "REPUBLICAN" than William F. Buckley , save a little skin bleaching.


Posted by: harried | May 6, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

My attorney is a republican and vistis Washington and the white house all the time. He says Hillary and Mccain are really good friends and that's why Mccain does not attack Hillary. He also told me that the they have so much to use against Hillary, that even her own supporters are not going to show up to vote for her. He says the only thing they could dig up on Senator Obama was Rev. Wright and Rezko. Then he said, there is nothing there as far as Rezko, but they are going to push the name anyway. He also said, most of them agreed with Rev. Wright's comments but they want to fan the flame and turn as many people against Obama as possible because Mccain can't beat him. They want to go up against Hillary and talk about her days as a Goldwater republican. They can not wait to bait her in. And this is from a republican. I promised him I would not blog this information, but oh well, I decided to act like Hillary, say one thing to him and do another.

Posted by: TAATAA | May 6, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

To charaterize either camp by the ravings of their most ardent supporters is foolish. There's been plenty of ugliness from both sides and to try and blame one camp while being blind to the transgressions of your own is classic projection.

I support Obama based on his message of cooperation and that I think he is less beholden to corporate interests.

I like Hillary's toughness, but her claims of superior experience ring hollow in light of the Keystone Cops style campaign she's run.

Posted by: Joebewildered | May 6, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

And thank you Lynne for you insightful comments.

Posted by: bissron | May 6, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

DO THE MATH...IT'S OVER!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.counter/index.html


NOTE: MOVE THE MASTER SLIDER To ADJUST ALL STATE RACES.
Draw your own conclusions.

Posted by: The Truth | May 6, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Outsider - it's because she spends a larger percent of her time and money talking about Obama and a much smaller time talking about herself. Common sense would say that she's diverting attention from herself due to lack of substance in her campaign.

I mean half a tank of gas this summer?? The gas tax did not go over well in Indiana because it was so obviously a worthless suggestion and diminished the problems we have here. Like 1/2 tank of gas is going to pay any bills. It was a bad move.

Posted by: Lynne | May 6, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

This Indiana and North Carolina doubleheader primary campaign is getting hotter than a Dan Quayle putter on the 18th green.

Posted by: David McKnight | May 6, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

These blogs remind me of an old Twilight Zone episode - "Incident on Elm Street" or something like that. Weird things keep happening in small community and the suspicions caused them to turn on each other, eventually leading to killing. It turns out aliens were orchestrating the whole thing to show how easy it is to get humans to be self destructive.

The Republicans are laughing, watching us destroy ourselves with bitter words.

We can do better. We MUST do better. Please respect the opinions of the others, regardless of how much you disagree. Don't make emotional responses to blogs designed to be obnoxious. Remember that we need to vote for one of them, and soon.

Four years of McCain would be the true Twilight Zone.

Posted by: bissron | May 6, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Also, note that the Indianapolis Star did a poll on the question of the gas tax. Was it pandering or a real solution. 86% said is was pandering and a political trick. In Indy last night 22,000 showed up in downtown for Obama.

He's really going to have a good day here!

Posted by: Lynne | May 6, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Could anyone tell me why you think Clinton is more negative than Obama?

Posted by: outsider | May 6, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

If Obama still wins ONE of these 2 states after what he went through lately, it means that he will be unbeatable in November.

In both states, it Clinton's race to lose.

Posted by: tchanta | May 6, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm an Indiana voter who cast my vote for Obama today. He's doing VERY well here!!

About the vote counting in FL and MI, here's the evidence that Clinton pledged along with the others to not count those votes:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8wX99qUo3Ow

Also, if she doesn't want their votes NOT to count, what about the people in those states who were told the election wouldn't count. Disenfranchise them??

They need to be seated 50/50.

Posted by: Lynne | May 6, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Someone posted under my name dylan and misrepresented my gay views. I have no problem with mixing woman and men, even though I prefer men two-to-one.

Posted by: dylan | May 6, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Obama voted 3 times in Illinois to offer voters the same gas tax incentive.
Posted by: The Wiser Voter | May 6, 2008 1:56 PM

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Yeah, he has admitted that and said he learned from that experience that gas tax incentives do not work. Hillary has yet to realize that.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone who calls themselves a Clinton supporter can go ahead and begin calling yourself a Republican.

There is little, if any difference"

Horrace: apparently that is the very intent of the Obama campaign and his supporters here. To push all 14 million HC supporters out of the Democratic Party which many of us have given our lives to support. Many of us have worked at high levels in the Webb, Strickland, Brown and Salazar campaigns, have been major fund raisers and party activists to get these candidates elected, but yet we are told by Obama supporters like Horrace that if we don't get in line to support someone we feel is highly unqalified and inexperienced for the most important job in this country we should just leave the party. If there was a reasonable alternative in the Illinois Senate race there is a good chance he would not have even won the Illinois US Senate nomination much less now being forced down our throats as the nominee.
Horrace your sentiments to drive 14 million HC supporters out of the party will certainly lead us to relish the elctions of George McGovern and Michael Dukakas. Way to go Obama supporters.

Posted by: Leichtman | May 6, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

The great news for Hillary supporters reading these blogs is that although Obama spends a tremendous amount of effort trying to dominate blogs and his supporters act like an army of zombies pushing his message even when its nothing but total lies, the only effect it has on Hillary supporters is to strenghten their resolve to make sure that he's defeated in November if not now.

Obama's supporters tactics have completely turned off Clinton supporters.

You will reap what you sow.

You may be able to get the nomination, but Obama will NEVER get the oval office.

He's unqualified, and his supporters are the biggest bunch of jerks on the internet.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Rob L.,

---"it would appear, based on her Indy Speedway comments, that she has left open the door to conceding, as soon as tomorrow."---?

To whom does it appear this way?

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, creeps in this petty pace from day to day----

Posted by: harried | May 6, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Jacksmith and JakeD, I really do hope God doesn't decide to take the two of you home any time soon, cause you would have to stand in front of him and answer for all of the hatred you have in your hears. Anyway, y'all don't matter. I say everyone on here, why don't we just ignore the ignorant once, don't reply or respond to them and they will eventually go to another site. And they will be ignored there too. Obama 08 and again in 2012!!!!

Posted by: TAATAA | May 6, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has many negatives in her column--not least of which is her busband, Bill.

Posted by: Carol | May 6, 2008 2:00 PM | Report abuse

I believe Obama would be disastrous to homosexuals like myself. He is anti-gay because he is married to a black WOMAN! Racist too! Why did he not marry a white gay man!

Posted by: dylan | May 6, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey jakieD--

Nice job getting to the front of the line again.

JakeD, our Stanford-trained, self-professed "retired" and so-called political "non-operative" is doing a nice job consulting for the RNC. Says he would never vote for Hillary, which is true, but he does want to see the nomination battle prolonged for as long as possible. And yes, he is earning his money today. In another thread today, he actually dug up the names of three economists earlier who support Hillary's gas tax panderama. Now why would someone go through all that trouble to defend a plan that 99% of economists disregard as rubbish?

JakieD will soon publish an additional list of three "scientists" who assure us that global-warming is and "elite conspiracy theory" and another three who will dismiss evolution theory as a secular-liberal canard.
Go Bears!!

Posted by: thorn | May 6, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Good thing everyone runnning is smarter than several people on this blog.

Posted by: Brain Cells | May 6, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Was there EVER an explicit rule that Florida would not be counted with respect to who won THE VOTE there? I know we are not seating the delegates, which is all that was dealt with before by agreement, but otherwise there is no logical nor legal nor moral reason not to take into account the fact that Clinton has been and is still WAY AHEAD in the polling in this essential swing state. There is no "matter of principle" (other than wanting to keep the rules that work for Obama and throw out the others) dictating that Florida, where neither campaigned but both were on the ballot, should be ignored.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | May 6, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

If Clinton finds a way to steal it I'm voting for McCain.

Posted by: Barb Gardner, Florida | May 6, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm an independent voter - and it may not split up the party, but Hillary won't have my vote. But that point is really moot - and the money she's wasted (and caused both candidates to waste) since Super Tuesday could have been used in a million better ways. She could have been part of a solution - instead of perpetuating more problems.

If the outcome of this mayhem ends up essentially unchanged from Super Tuesday - whether or not one argues it was "a healthy process" - do you think anyone will apologize for all the extra time and cost of Hillary's denial?

Posted by: DonJulio | May 6, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Current projections suggest that Obama will lead by any popular vote measure available after today. Including Florida and Michigan, where, of course, Obama was not even on the ballot.

Calculations suggest that Obama will have a 47,000 vote lead, this using Hillary's "I'm a Cheater" methodology.

He'll have a 750,000 vote lead using honest methods.

Posted by: Rob L. | May 6, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama voted 3 times in Illinois to offer voters the same gas tax incentive.

The only difference now is the fact that the IDEA didn't come from him so he was left with nothing but to RIDICULE the idea instead.

Like the Pastor said, Obama is nothing but just another POLITICIAN. The guy is a big FRAUD!!!

Posted by: The Wiser Voter | May 6, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I think "break".

Posted by: Bob, DC | May 6, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if any of the questions was: Who would make the better President?

Posted by: Jeff Gilbert | May 6, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

The Chief is performing a rain dance. With high likelihood, I predict it will rain on HRC's parade through the remaining states. No need to worry, my brother Obama is on his way.

Posted by: Chief Two Dogs | May 6, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

I am afraid that people like you should not be allowed out without a minder to make sure you don't bite people.

Hillary Clinton has demonstrated to me that she does not deserve the job. She is so obsessed with winning that she has forgotten why she ran in the first place. It has become about her "manhood." Just as Bush started a war to prove to his mother that he had a bigger piece of equipment than his father, she is running for POTUS to show her husband that she has balls too. How is that different? How does she expect me to trust her with the future of the nation? Answer: I hope she doesn't. I will sit at home on Election Day if she is the nominee.

Posted by: Karen | May 6, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

WHY DON'T OBAMA'S SUPPORTERS CARE ABOUT OBAMA'S SLUMS?

WHY DOESN'T THE NATIONAL MEDIA DO MORE REPORTING ON THE STORY FROM CHICAGO THAT PROVES THAT OBAMA HAS A HEART OF SOLID ICE?

Obama talks about being "a community organizer in Chicago"

What happened after he got elected State Senator proves that he doesn't care about anybody but himself!!!

Please Watch this report on Obama, Obama's slums, Rezko, and $100M of wasted taxpayer money, from Channel 5, NBC news, Chicago's most respected TV news program.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDHsHM0laT8&feature=related

How do you explain away the fact that Barry Obama never followed up on the 11 slums that his friend Rezko was supposed to repair in Obama's district in Chicago, and continued to do nothing about the 40 slums that Rezko was supposed to repair or replace in Chicago, even after Obama joined the US Senate?

From the Chicago Sun Times:

For more than five weeks during the brutal winter of 1997, tenants shivered without heat in a government-subsidized apartment building on Chicago's South Side.

It was just four years after the landlords -- Antoin "Tony'' Rezko and his partner Daniel Mahru -- had rehabbed the 31-unit building in Englewood with a loan from Chicago taxpayers.

Rezko and Mahru couldn't find money to get the heat back on.

But their company, Rezmar Corp., did come up with $1,000 to give to the political campaign fund of Barack Obama, the newly elected state senator whose district included the unheated building....

The building in Englewood was one of 30 Rezmar rehabbed in a series of troubled deals largely financed by taxpayers. Every project ran into financial difficulty. More than half went into foreclosure, a Chicago Sun-Times investigation has found.

"Their buildings were falling apart,'' said a former city official. "They just didn't pay attention to the condition of these buildings.''

Eleven of Rezko's buildings were in Obama's state Senate district....

Rezko and Mahru had no construction experience when they created Rezmar in 1989 to rehabilitate apartments for the poor under the Daley administration. Between 1989 and 1998, Rezmar made deals to rehab 30 buildings, a total of 1,025 apartments. The last 15 buildings involved Davis Miner Barnhill & Galland during Obama's time with the firm.

Rezko and Mahru also managed the buildings, which were supposed to provide homes for poor people for 30 years. Every one of the projects ran into trouble:

* Seventeen buildings -- many beset with code violations, including a lack of heat -- ended up in foreclosure.

* Six buildings are currently boarded up.

* Hundreds of the apartments are vacant, in need of major repairs.

* Taxpayers have been stuck with millions in unpaid loans.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

FBI raids US Special Councel's, Scott Bloch's office.

Wall Street Journal beat WP to the punch!

Posted by: egalitaire | May 6, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

baracki boy genius is going down in Indiana and North Carolina!

Operation Chaos reports that up to 20% of the vote today is coming from Republicans!

Get out of the race you racist Obama!

Posted by: dylan | May 6, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton has become an ambitious, deceitful and manipulative politician. I am parsing so asnot to buy into negative banter. It's hard. When I see this person who I once admire show the true side of her that is so negative. I sincerely want to cry. I'm embarrassed by her. Why couldn't try and she win without this disgusting and obvious display. I feel sorry for her and I cannot vote for her. Her humanity is gone.

Posted by: Marchion | May 6, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama, is a sleeper... Though the feelings between wright and O have soured, wright still hold the "awakening" word cocked on his tongue that will set in motion the "dam* angry black" take-over of America by a mostly white congregation. Flag Lapel Pins everywhere will be confiscated, burned, melted and re-molded into a Russian Afro that will cast it's menacing jungle shadow over Washington.

Posted by: A Jungle Nightmare | May 6, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Nort Carolina has a large black population too, 1/3rd of the votes in fact, he hasn't just split up the party...he's now split the races in every state he's campaigned in...at least since Oprah broke her vow of non interference...humm, what was it or IS IT that made her throw her considerable weight around?? Hmmm..could it be that they're both from Chicago...no that's not it...could it be that they're both in the public spotlight...NOOO...I don't think that that was it, could it be because of his race....Could BEEE! Please, let's all stop with the "it'll split up the party,forever! fake fervor, this has happened before in both parties and both partirs are both still here...so let's just even give up that notion. Just to let everyone else out here know, Obama smokes cigarettes still, at 50 years old and with him being the father of two small children, he appearantly isn't concerned enough with the health of his wife and his children...how then...can we trust him with health...of our country? Vote Hillary Clinton as President in Indiana and North Carolina, Today!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Back from golf. WTH! I told you all I am an Obama man. I've grown accustomed to his middle name and actually have become fond of it. Remember kids, even old koots like myself can come to their senses given enough time and good information. Go Obama!

Posted by: JakeD | May 6, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Who do you predict will win the North Carolina & Indiana Democratic Presidential Primary?

North Carolina
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=2320

Indiana
http://www.youpolls.com/details.asp?pid=2220

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Posted by: Frank, Austin TX | May 6, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Understatement of the Day:

"I'm really confused now."

Posted by: JakeD

Posted by: RobL. | May 6, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Re. Hillary's experience:

Please note that Barack Obama has held elected office 3 years longer than Hillary. His resume is far more varied and relevant to the presidency. She was a law partner and a first lady, then a senator.. He was the president of the Harvard Law Review, a community organizer, constitutional law professor, state senator, and then a senator. All things considered, there's no real experience gap. What scares me is that if Clinton somehow gets the nomination, she will think that experience is one of her strengths, and will campaign as such, but she will be competing against one of the most experienced senators in the country. And the GOP will hammer home the deceptive nature of her "35 years" experience argument (Obama, unfortunately, has neglected to attack her on this point). Add to that the likability factor, all the old Clinton stuff (and a few new things like the Peter Paul vs. Clinton case), and she's toast in the general election.

Posted by: TSD Alex | May 6, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has 35 years of experience. Why hadn't she done anything on No Child Left Behind, the oil prices, the war. I don't think we need experie3nce because we've had the experience for at least 35 years. For those of you that think a gas holiday will pass both congress, senate, and the president are like most Clinton's support delusional. We don't need the Clinton in the White House again. Barack has more experience than Bill Clinton. He's far more trustworthy and is not trying to sell America out for 18 cents. Wake up people, Hillary is still running from the sniper fire. She will not have time to lead running from the sniper fire and making sure Bill is not with some intern.

Posted by: Honey Rogers | May 6, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters need to understand that because of the way they have acted towards our candidate and towards us, they have totally burned their bridges with Clinton supporters.

We're not bluffing when we say we'll vote for McCain if Obama's the candidate, but it's not out of spite, its because we don't feel that Obama is qualified.

If he was, it would make the decision more difficult.

Because he's not, the behavior of Obama's supporters just pushes us to vote for McCain and help him get elected, rather than just staying home if Obama's the candidate.

I've gone through many election cycles, but I've never seen a worse group of people than Obama supporters.

You guys act like cheap thugs.

If you had the ability to feel responsible for your actions I'd tell you that you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Since you don't, it would be a waste of my time.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton would rather have John McCain elected president than Obama. She will divide dems and MCain will get elected. Limbaugh, Hannity and all the Timothy McVeigh repubs love Hillary for that.

Posted by: RMB2 | May 6, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

CORRECTION: "A test for the husseion campaign"
CORRECTION: "It's make or break day for hussein."

The voters have spoken and it is now time for Sen. "God Da'mn America" Hussein to withdraw and end his divisive campaign. It has been fun watching the antics of his frat-boy and girls-gone-wild supporters, but it is now time to take the presidential contest seriously.

Responsible Dems must focus on the fact that Tony Rezko's partner-in-crime cannot win the presidency by winning in small states with insignificant Electoral College votes, like Vermont, Iowa, Idaho, Wyoming and North Dakota. To win the presidency, it will take winning the Hillary states of California, Ohio, New York, Michigan, Texas, Pennsylvania and Florida.

The Hope-Change, Change-Hope, Hope-able Change and Change-able Hope BS and assorted plagiarisms of Hussein (along with his theft of most of John Edwards' ideas) has been a delightful distraction from reality. The last thing the Dems need is another gas bag loser like Kerry that can only spout hollow platitudes. Intellectually mature Democrats must get serious and work to nominate and elect a capable president.

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Posted by: ALEX H. | May 6, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Geez, JakeD, don't you have an actual job? Is blogging all you do? And BTW, I don't think saying "Barack HUSSEIN Obama" actually scares anyone anymore. Are you still 8 years old? Why can't you ever grow up?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I apologize for being a racist idiot. I am now off to sterilize myself for the good of mankind.

Posted by: JakeD | May 6, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama's looks to be a mere 58 SuperDels from the nomination tomorrow, compared to Hillary needing 222 of the remaining 267 SuperDels.

WADR to Hillary's supporters, it would appear, based on her Indy Speedway comments, that she has left open the door to conceding, as soon as tomorrow. She's want to look good doing it, gettinbg out the race, and will ask her supporters to back Obama to the hilt. With great passion no doubt.

At the least, we must prepare to all get along.

Prepare for as much.


Posted by: Rob L. | May 6, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that every time someone wants me to vote for their candidate they must first tell me I'm an idiot for liking a different candidate? If you do your research and don't just listen to the hype, you will know if McCain, Hillary, or Obama is the candidate for you.

With an attempt to be objective:

(a) Someone's middle name should not be the basis for his or her electability.

(b) Hillary's medical care plan would cover more people than Obama's.

(c) Bill Clinton lost plenty of soldiers in UN-sponsored peace missions. Not as many as have been lost in Iraq and Afghanistan, but there were still deaths of our men and women in uniform.

(d) I'm not sure that we should equate Bill Clinton's presidency with how things will be under Hillary unless you are assuming that Hillary will be a figure-head president. If I vote for Hillary, I want Hillary to BE president, not Bill's puppet.

(e) Hillary, without question, has more experience in Federal politics than Obama. Depending on your point-of-view, this may be why you like her or why you don't like her.

(f) All three candidates and our president SAY STUPID THINGS. People say stupid things on their behalf.

(f) I doubt that there will be an exodus of democrats to another party should Obama or Hillary win the primary. With all the talk of a rift forming in the Democratic Party, it's as if pundits assume disenfranchised Dems will suddenly join the Green or Socialist parties if their candidate doesn't win.

Do your homework, and try to be objective while doing it. I don't expect devout Democrats to become Republicans or vice versa, but it would be nice if you had a solid understanding of who and what you are voting for.

And, for the love of God, stop insulting people who aren't voting for your candidate. Educate, don't insult.

Posted by: JG | May 6, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Please, let's all stop with the "it'll split up the party,forever! fake fervor, this has happened before in both parties and both partirs are both still here...so let's just even give up that notion. Just to let everyone else out here know, Obama smokes cigarettes still, at 50 years old and with him being the father of two small children, he appearantly isn't concerned enough with the health of his wife and his children...how then...can we trust him with health...of our country? Vote Hillary Clinton as President in Indiana and North Carolina, Today!!!

Posted by: Rick | May 6, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

If you want to see what a candidate w/ little to no experience, but can talk a wonderful campaign, promising change, hope, etc looks like;if you want to see what a candidate who took the "high road" when others said he was really saying this or that; if you want to see what a candidate like that can do .. look at Massachusetts! I foolishly bought into his words, now like everyone else am paying the price! he may be governor, but he doesn't run anything, let alone the state!
I also foolishly listened to the msg from
Obama .. I had some misgivings about the chance of H. Clinton being elected, so I went w/ Mr. Obama. Shortly thereafter, I get to read how his wife is - for the first time in her life, proud to be an American! WHAT ????? Then his pastor, whom he has touted as a wonderful man, a friend, etc comes out with all this anti-American rhetoric and he says he never heard anything like that in his 20 yrs at that church. HUH??? What was he sleeping?
his pastor, as an American has every right to say what he believes. However, I would thing any American, no matter what race, gender, religion would be appalled at that.
I doubt very much that what this pastor has been saying was just a one time deal. So I have to think that if you were a member of that church and counted him as a friend for over 20 years, you must know and on some scale, agree with what he is preaching.
Given all of that, I wished I'd voted for H. Clinton. If B. Obama is the Democratic nominee, then I will vote for another candidate, even if I have to write in a name!

Posted by: golden | May 6, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

She has to win both to have even the slightest chance to win the nomination.

The Super Delegates are still favoring Obama right now even with all the Wright non-sense so she needs something huge to change the dynamic.

A nice win for Hillary in Indiana combined with a nice win for Obama in North Carolina is one huge win for Obama. For one thing, North Carolina has far more delegates so he would take the majority of pledged delegates on the day (a win by anyone's standards). Secondly, it would prove that Hillary has no real momentum. Rather, she is winning the States where she is supposed to win. And he is winning the States that he is supposed to win. That does not equal momentum in the slightest. Most importantly, this scenario would make it impossible for her to even come close in pledged delegates. This would be the final nail in the coffin for her campaign because the Super's are not going to overturn the will of the people unless there is a very good reason for them to do so. The fact that Hillary is winning the majority of working class white voters is nowhere near a good enough reason.

Posted by: gthstonesman | May 6, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton had some of the best macroeconomic policies of the past 50 years in place and the economy responded well to it. Every day it seems Hillary finds it politically expedient to throw off a little bit more of that legacy.
Renegotiating NAFTA is probably the only thing she could do to make our trading partners miss Bush. And the gas tax "summer holiday" provokes laugh out loud crying among any serious economists or environmentalists. Obama's dimissal of it was courageous though puzzling since he's been drinking the anti-NAFTA Kool-Aid too.
I was a Clinton supporter while I could still hope that her political pandering would not prevent her from voting her core beliefs when in office. But her pandering has been loud enough and consistent enough, that she has convinced me that she will not or cannot do that! With some reservations, I hope to be voting for Obama in November.

Posted by: Mike Cooper | May 6, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Other than worshippers of Satan and the Anti-Christ, are there any GOP supporters left?

I mean, really?

It would surprise me.

Posted by: Will in Seattle | May 6, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm really confused now. Maybe I'll vote for McCain.

Posted by: JakeD | May 6, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Clinton hasn't been intensely scrutinized? Talk about a whopper deserving of 10 pinocchios. Drinking and dispensing ever more of the MSNBC/NBC/General Electric/Republican/Halliburton controlled kool-aid I see. What a surprise. NOT.

What's wrong with voters VOTING and deciding as opposed to two primaries, elite party operatives and journa-pundits coronating an unproven candidate? Why are you so anti-democracy?

your colleague wrote: "Is it really fair to have a process where only Iowa and New Hampshire get to decide? I don't think so, and I think it probably to the good that most every Democrat in the country will have had a chance to vote for someone to be president."

For the first time since 1968 Indiana voters can actually have a say in this thing. What's wrong with actual participatory democracy that you media elites & your nattering pundit friends are so afraid of or Obama is so tired of?

Posted by: Dan Balz = One more lying elite snob pundit | May 6, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

30 years of "experience" being the wife of an elected official does not make you Commander-in-Chief material. Bush spent almost 50 years as the son of a man with tons of foreign policy experience and we see how great he turned out. But when you live in a monarchy I guess you deal with what's given you. Chelsea 2016!

Posted by: donewiththeclintons | May 6, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"Obviously, the FAKE JakeD at 1:09 PM was not me."

We could tell by the way he was making sense.

Seriously, what's up with you? You have 1,100 pages of Google hits just on WashPo comments sections, and you are almost always the first one to post on any dem primary thread. 23 posts here and almost half of them are yours. That's a little compulsive, don't you think?

You should get out in the open air more and stop obsessing about middle names. It's unhealthy. Rather unappealing as well.

Posted by: drossless | May 6, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

It's really a shame that the factions of this debate (all supposedly democrats) have to get so vitriolic in their rhetoric. Yes, we have to make a choice between two candidates. The real fight takes place AFTER that however, and we need to ready to work together to win this one.

That said, I am an Obama supporter. I was, however, ready to support whichever candidate won. Every day, Hillary's Rovian tactics, that becomes a harder pill to swallow.

I hope we can heal our party wounds at the end of this process. Let there be no doubt about it though - these are wounds inflicted by the Clinton campaign and their slash and burn politics.

Posted by: Brian L | May 6, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but our pastors aren't our "spiritual advisor" whatever the hell that means? and didn't actually, "marry both me and my wife" or "baptize my kids" and then, remains in his church for over 20 years all the way up to and even during an election...and finally last but not least,none of any of us, black or white or whatever, was running for president.

How do we know that Wright's thoughts wouldn't invade Obama's head while dealing with a country like Iran or Iraq or Saudi Arabia, then after 20-plus years of brainwashing by this guy, Wright? We should all, black, white, Catholic or Jew, really should be very much afraid of what this guy stands for and how close he's becoming to a potential presidential candidate who could end up having his finger aimed at the "red button" and have it targeted at ANY of the above mentioned countries names and unlike Clinton...it would appareantly, according to Wright's sermon's, definitely include a country...like Israel. Wright could be a modern day Rasputin for all we know, which makes nominating Obama too risky and unknown...let's vote Hillary Clinton in today...while we all still can...

RESIDENTS OF INDIANA AND NORTH CAROLINA, VOTE IN HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT! SHE'S THE WOMAN WITH THE ONLY PLAN AND CHANGE WE CAN ALL ACTUALLY COUNT ON!! VOTE HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT IN INDIANA AND NORTH CAROLINA, TODAY!

Posted by: Rick | May 6, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

For any Obama supporter that's under the mistake impression that he's run a clean campaign, please see http://www.attacktimes.com

Obama's run the dirtiest campaign in years.

Obama supporters need to understand that the reason many of the people who are against him are so strongly against him is that we know how different the real Barack Obama is from his carefully crafted public image.

The real Obama is a really, really bad guy

His image is great. He's not.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. :-)
Posted by: jacksmith

Yeah, but she didn't get it done, did she? Bottom line(s): She didn't get the health-care program installed because of her toxic work methods. NY lost 240,000 jobs when she campaigned for senator promising 200,000 new jobs. And her campaign is a disaster. The fact that she's a close second is not a plus when she started out miles ahead. Now all she has to run on are lies and empty promises.

Next: Your "idiot" posts are those of a senile person who tells the same stupid joke over and over as if it's funny and as if we haven't heard it a million times already. Be creative, intelligent--anything--next time. Tripe is tripe even when fresh. Age and repetition don't give it substance.

Posted by: edwcorey | May 6, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Say what you want about Clinton, but back then, my gas was cheap (0.98 cents in 1998 in NJ, not $3.98 like it is today) nobody died in a war in Iraq, because they're wasn't one (we had a policy of containment set up by Mr. Clinton that only cost the U.S. 30 million dollars a year and it worked all throughout the 1990's, not 40 trillion like this current war's cost) and oh yeah, I could actually buy my house for what it was really worth, (not like a house today worth $200,000 in real money, that's somehow gotten artificially inflated through the artificial use of property taxes, to $400,000)If Miss Clinton can do even half, of what her husband did as president, then I'll vote for her today in Indiana and North Carolina and anywhere else. Her past experience for many years and her actual plans that she's really unveiled during her debates, already makes her a better presidential nominee than either, Bush-#2 (McCain) or that empty bag of wind (Obama)who every time he loses either a primary or a debate or even a tv ad, usually says in his generic rhetoric of a preacher giving a sermon on the pulpit, "it's just old Washington politics again, trying in vain to make the public look at something else." NO MR. OBAMA, Americans have heard it all from you, for too long now, we're tired of your big money, reverse racism and "generic everyday sermons", whoops' I meant "speeches" (be careful, or I might faint when I actually see him! Ha, ha, yeah right!)and we're a country who's too smart and can now after many months of debates and primaries, see past the fact that you're ALL TALK and NO ACTIONS. NO MR. OBAMA, it is you, who're the real true "distraction" here, everytime you lose, which is now, quite often, you try to distract us all from your losing ways and by calling it "Old Washington". Well' Mr Obama, they're is the oldest form of politics you're trying, by saying, "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" well we all have now, but now we know when it was time you to unload some actual plans, you ctually had...nothing...but empty promises made in a speech, somewhere...
For these reasons alone is why Hillary Clinton has my vote here, in Indiana and North Carolina, or anywhere else!

RESIDENTS OF INDIANA AND NORTH CAROLINA, VOTE IN HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT! SHE'S THE WOMAN WITH THE ONLY PLAN AND CHANGE WE CAN ALL ACTUALLY COUNT ON!! VOTE HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT IN INDIANA AND NORTH CAROLINA, TODAY!

Posted by: Rick | May 6, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

For the good of the country, not just the Democratic Party, Hillary must conclude the race, that it is over.

If she continues this non contest, then she is working to destroy the Democratic candidate and the future of our country more than any realistic chance of victory.

It is obvious and plain for anyone not blinded by the spin and pundits poisoning our democratic process.

Posted by: wowisdabomb | May 6, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who would vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee belongs with the Republican party. Good riddance.

Posted by: Agi | May 6, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

JakeD
It isn't real clear politics to capitalize Barack Obama's middle name. It only muddies the waters, urging people to follow wrongly aroused emotions (i.e., what they associate with the name Hussein), instead of dealing with verifiable or at least plausible problems with his character or campaign.

Let clear politics be clear and objective.

Note, I object to the capitalization not the printing of his middle name, because capitalization places emphasis on the middle name and suggests it has some significance relevant to the campaign.

Posted by: Gene Fisher | May 6, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Start on the 1st hole and try to go in order. Have a great day.

Posted by: bob | May 6, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

FAKE JakeD:

Have at it -- I'm off to golf!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 6, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

"They want to feel they can relate to the canditate."

And that's why Florida went for Bush twice in a row (albeit with a little help from the Supreme Court the first time). I am sorry, but it's a waste of time to worry about voters who'd like to have a beer with the president. They are wild cards that have no clue they are voting against their own interest.

Fortunately, there are enough smart people in this country who can see that this election is too important to be decided by such superficial arguments.

Posted by: Agi | May 6, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a cunning and terrifyingly dangerous politician who lacks the character needed to be our president.

Barack says he won't throw his pastor under the bus like he did his grandmother, and then he did.

Barack says he's against the war but NEVER ACTUALLY VOTED AGAINST IT because he wasn't in office then. And then he VOTED YES TO FUND THE WAR.

Barack says he won't wear "that pin" on his clothing but then he is trying to say that he stands for it (when really he wants to switch it to something else).

Barack says he wants to be the #1 patriot in America and yet when the National Anthem is played, he doesn't put his hand on his heart(as if the song doesn't apply to him) - must be because it is the song of the "old ways" of America(which he wishes to destroy), the ways that hundreds of thousands have died for along the way.

Barack boils up some cursing and completely politically-reactive racial speech, tries to make us all feel deficient, says Don Imus should be burned at the stake and flushed in a toilet, and then turns around and says "Race is not a problem in America"(because that would trick people into thinking he doesn't hate).

Barack says he's a uniter but then devotes 20 years of his life to his "Mentor" and "Role Model" that has burned the very hate of America into his heart - see this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs ( also see more great stuff at: thatsmeontheleft.blogspot.com )

Barack says all people should count and "yes we can" but then he purposely, and cold-bloodedly stone-walls any chance of allowing 2+ MILLION voters in Florida and Michigan have their vote count.

Barack says he's about "helping the working class live better lives" and then he turns around and slanders us not only by calling us "bitter" and "clinging to guns and religion", but also forgoes offering a Universal Healthcare Plan(which is a core democratic value) - this is only so he can play both sides of the poor/rich fence, but in the end he leans more towards the former(with his ridiculous idea to raise capital gains taxes).

Barack says he has all these ideas for how he's going to throw our government out of their offices onto the street but there's no detailed information available for people to weigh his intentions with common sense.

Everything is about timing for Mr. Barack Obama, he plays "old style" politics better than a symphonic orchestra, he'll switch from one major idea and then to the reverse like a windsock in an open field.

How long will it be before Barack throws the "American People"(as if we're somebody else) under the bus, and then back up for another go.

Think long and hard, this man is playing the emotion card on America, and he intends to rip our heart out with it to pay back for his Pastor's pain and conspiracy theories of yesteryear.

How does Barack Obama spend 20 years in a church with a Pastor whom married him and his wife, baptized his young, was named as "mentor" for his books(that made the Obamas millions), and is "unashamedly BLAMING AMERICANS like you and me" for every major problem that ever existed(without giving ANY credit to 200+ years of progress as a prosperous nation of all kinds of people) without coming out HATING America the same way? Barack Obama's trashing of Pastor Wright doesn't say anything good about his character, rather it shows just how far Barack is willing to go to play the "same old politics" and claw his way into the candidacy. Barack's actions towards his Pastor of 20 years show just how shallow and irresponsible he is.

If you vote for Barack Obama, you will experience change alright, and it will hurt, like a dull blade being forced into your back.
If you vote for Barack Obama, you will experience the Apocalypse of America.

Posted by: Paul | May 6, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who calls themselves a Clinton supporter can go ahead and begin calling yourself a Republican.

There is little, if any difference.

Enjoy your journey into irrelevance.

Posted by: Horace Manure | May 6, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Clinton supporters and Republicans...scare me!!

Posted by: myke a | May 6, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Armchair Sooth-Sayerism:

Hillary will do very well today, last minute deciders will sway her way... The barrage of negative press and ads toward Obama had their intended effect. Race goes on... Still Hillary needs some favorable deal (for her) to count Florida and Michigan even to think about winning, she has plans to try to force a seating of these delegates, her "nuclear option". But today will strengthen her momentum. Cards are still against her as the drip of super-delegates still has favored Obama, her S.D. lead has fallen below 20 to (16?). Don't be surprised if another scandal is thrown into Obama's face, it will hard to tell were it came from, but Clinton must throw the deck at him... Continue to destroy his electibility.

Posted by: Mrs. Destruction | May 6, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Bob:

That's your response to my post: "I am not a Hillary supporter -- I wouldn't vote for her in a million years -- I have voted for Democrats, however, like John F. Kennedy in 1960"? I "sound" like her?! Fine, Bob, you "take it easy" too.

Posted by: JakeD | May 6, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Talk about destroying the Democratic party....

The DNC is destroying the party, by alienating the 2+ MILLION voters in Florida and Michigan, AND THEN giving North Carolin MORE delegates!!

The contest is nearly neck-and-neck with Obama having the upper hand, which would probably not true if the DNC were to INCLUDE THE TWO ENTIRE STATES THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING TO ALIENATE!!!

Now the DNC has awarded North Carolina with MORE DELEGATES!!!

This is totally RIGGING the selection process to make it easier for a particular candidate!!!

Pelosi and the DNC are working against Hillary!! This is not Democracy, this is the "righteous few" trying to fool over half of the voter base!!

DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!! STOP THE MADNESS!!!

If you're like me, you'll vote for McCain if the Democratic party becomes "undemocratic" by rigging the contest!!

Email Howard Dean Immediately and tell him to give Florida and Michigan their rightful votes!!

http://www.democrats.org/page/petition/chairman

Posted by: Joe | May 6, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

I am disgusted by the mainstream media's treatment of Obama - fair & balanced - it's a complete joke. We have been saturated with Rev. Wright - I'm done with CNN, ABC, FOX - what happened to the serious issues affecting everyday people. We have heard nothing of Peter Paul vs Clinton in the press, just on blogs. There are so many shady issues about Hillary that haven't been scratched/exposed/picked at every day for hours and hours - what's up with that. For example - NAFTA/Hillary's support of that - which did more harm than Rev Wright ever could -was briefly looked at but never really delved into - it's been so one-sided - the press, the Clintons, the GOP all bashing Obama. And now we know for a fact that the Clinton's will say, do, stoop to whatever level they have to to win (even abandon the black folks that got them into the White House first time round - hopefully that will come back to haunt them!
I would love to have a female president - just oh God please not Hillary!

Posted by: Debbie - LA | May 6, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Obama is an arrogant incompetent racist.

If he gets the nomination, McCain's the next President.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter how you slice it up, carve it, dice it, scattered, smothered, stirred, whipped, played back for 4 years or more, whatever, having Pastor Wright as your mentor and hero says you have a severe character flaw.

Barack Obama basically proved this himself after he threw Pastor Wright under the bus, backed-up, then ran him over thrice more the other day. And for what? Oh yeah, something about "same old politics" comes to mind. What a joke.

Why are we wasting our precious time with this inadequate candidate? Let's talk about having a Universal Healthcare program instead. Let's erase the health insurance industry(and make sure the working class insurance people get a different job of course). Let's erase the "pre-existing condition" limitation, and the cut-throat, profit-from-the-dying tactics of our broken Healthcare system.

Barack's promises may appeal to the ear, but where are the documented details of this great shaboozle of a firing-squad method he intends to use to erase our American government? Scary.

No thanks Obama

Posted by: Tyrone | May 6, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

"[I]t's clear the election they're having [in Florida and Michigan] isn't going to count for anything."

Hillary Rodham Clinton
December 2007

Posted by: Agi | May 6, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

JakeD. Spewing "anti" sentiment isn't productive. You do sound like HC. I'm ready for a change from all the embarrassment of two self centered liars getting back in the White House. They even stole furniture when they left. Now they "earn" phenomenal amounts from special interests. They couldn't care less about you JakeD or anyone they use to get where they need to go. They are bad for America....and bad for you too. Take it easy JakeD.

Posted by: Bob | May 6, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Where are the polls for Bill Clinton - I thought he might be running again.

Jacksmith, JakeD. Really?

The title for the article should have been "YET ANOTHER Test for the Clinton Campaign"

(Note it doesn't say which Clinton - as this is a twofer deal.

The tests keep coming and she has never regained the Super Tuesday lead. This is when the contest was really over, regardless of today's outcome (barring a landslide victory). If you stretch any race out long enough, the loser might get another (and another, etc.) chance to come from behind, but enough is enough. Hillary was the early frontrunner and household brand name in the political arena and yet she's been beaten handily and consistently - even if only to a draw - by a virtual unknown who has galvanized the electorate. That is the energy and momentum it will take to win in November.

Hillary has a sense of denial (or just plain not knowing) similar to Bruce Willis in Sixth Sense who didn't realize he was dead till way into the film. Hopefully Hillary will see the light soon enough and make way for the party to succeed.

At the very least, she sure has kept the media occupied for several months past her actual demise.

Posted by: DonJulio | May 6, 2008 1:24 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S HARD DRUG HISTOR MAKES HIM UNELECTABLE.

SO DO HIS IMMATURE, ARROGANT, SPOILED CHILD SUPPORTERS.

IF HE GETS THE NOMINATION, HE WILL BE DEFEATED IN NOVEMBER.

REPUBLICANS WILL BRING UP ALL THE DIRT THAT HILLARY HAS BEEN TOO NICE TO.

OBAMA SUPPORTERS ARE EXAMPLES OF EVERYTHING WRONG WITH AMERICA.

THEY ARE CONDESCENDING AND VILE.

THEY HAVE THE SAME SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT THAT OBAMA DOES.

THEY SEEM TO BELIEVE EVERYONE SHOULD JUST PULL OVER AND GET OUT OF THE WAY FOR OBAMA BECAUSE HE'S BLACK.

TEH DECISION ON WHO TO ELECT SHOULD BE BASED ON MERIT, NOT ON RACE, AGE, OR SEX.

OBAMA SUPPORTERS ARE THE MOST RACIST, AGEIST AND SEXIST BUNCH OF SPOILED BRATS I'VE EVER SEEN.

THE REST OF US CAN'T WAIT TO SEE YOU KIDS CUT DOWN TO SIZE.

IF MCCAIN WINS THE ELECTION, WE HOPE HE BRINGS BACK THE DRAFT AND SENDS EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU TO THE FRONT LINES IN IRAQ!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

So my husband went to Florida to visit his brother. When he came back (we live in Canada) he told me: oh sweety! I don't think Americans are going to vote for OBAMA. They want to feel they can relate to the canditate. They don't think an educated and smart person will represent them...

Posted by: Jane | May 6, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow! JakeD...you cloned yourself! Boy, if Hillary could do that, she could run against herself.

Posted by: LW | May 6, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is LEADING in number of states in her countrt , SHE has 50 in her country Obama only has 48 in his ....

Posted by: Swannie2 | May 6, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Since I voted for Kennedy in '60 I will cast my vote for Obama because of the comparisons. Don't let the fake JakeD (posted at 1:14PM) fool you, he is an idiot.

Posted by: JakeD | May 6, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Hillary thought that the DNC would sheperd her into the White house the same way she was into the Senate. She is a Carpetbagger plain and simple!
From Wikkipedia -Carpetbagger-
**Since 1900 the term has been used more widely in the US to describe outsiders' attempting to gain political office or economic advantage, especially in areas (thematically or geographically) to which they previously had no connection**

Posted by: LiveFromNY | May 6, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

You are raising a good point. Why are the republicans so afraid of Obama? Just look at Fox news: they are scared to death. Even O'Reilly treated Clinton with velvet gloves while Hannity keeps spouting his racist remarks.

One reason may be that in an Obama McCain race, rove style tricks wouldn't work as both candidates are running on a supposedly higher plane.

With Clinton, they can just take out their 90s playbook and fire at will.

Posted by: Agi | May 6, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Dumbest pandering suggestion yet

Sen. Clinton's assertion that she will work against OPEC at the WTO.

Yeah, right. Talk about stupid. OK let me get this straight: Sen. Clinton is going to tell the US's biggest allies in the Middle East (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE) and some of its most contentious foes (Russia, Venezuela, Iran) that the US thinks that OPEC needs to be broken apart.

Wow. Can you say oil embargo? Really? China would be happy to pick up the consumption slack and "suffer" under lower global oil prices.

Oh, and that goal of Middle east peace? Yeah, your former allies really don't care about what you say anymore. Forces in Iraq? Oh, I'm sorry, they'll be paying far more for the fuel to run ships, tanks, trucks, planes, and helicopters.

Hmmm...challenging OPEC when you're dependant on them. I think, since they have other customers, you're more than likely to simply be cut off.

Posted by: jlaprise | May 6, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, the FAKE JakeD at 1:09 PM was not me.

Posted by: JakeD | May 6, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY CAN'T WIN ON HER OWN - THE RUSH LIMBAUGH IDIOT VOTERS HAVE BEEN VOTING FOR HILLARY SINCE OHIO...


I GUESS NEITHER JOHN MCAIN OR HILLARY IS ABLE TO BATTLE OBAMA BY THEMSELVES WITHOUT RUSH LIMBAUGH.

Posted by: HILLDABEAST | May 6, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Bob, Pete, and Sandi F:

I am not a Hillary supporter -- I wouldn't vote for her in a million years -- I have voted for Democrats, however, like John F. Kennedy in 1960.

Posted by: JakeD | May 6, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but the new rebranding of Clinton as a woman of the people doesn't quite pan out. As a matter of fact, she is the elitist who thinks she can buy votes by giving people 30 cents a day (at best). To think that working people will fall for that is not only elitist but insulting.

Posted by: Agi | May 6, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Funny, I remember Hillary Clinton crying on TV, about her getting the short end of the stick. I havent seen Obama crying on TV saying he has been getting the short end of the stick on an issue thats absolutely irrelvant to whats going on in the world. Hillary never thought this was going to be a race and she was going to be annoited. Well she was wrong, she got out organized, out hustled, out worked and out classed by a new person on the scene and that just eats at her. Since when did working class people just live in Pennsylvania, Indiana, Ohio, California and Texas??
There are working class people all over this country and Obama has gotten their votes from as far as North Dakota, Idaho, Wyoming, South Dakota, Maine, Illinois, Minnesota, Georgia, South Carolina, Louisiana. So she won some contests, Obama has won double that and will compete well in the General Election in states Democrats never compete well in.

Go Obama, keep the positivity going...

Posted by: LOL | May 6, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I've really been giving this race some thought and now have decided that Barack Obama really is the best candidate, my vote will go for him in November.

Posted by: JakeD | May 6, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Clinton is only experienced as being 1st lady..and oooh watch out for those sniper attacks!
OBAMA 08!!!

Posted by: Sandi F | May 6, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

When this primary started, I believed that Clinton was more progressive then Obama and the only thing that kept me from voting for her was her Iraq vote. Now it's quite clear that she has no moral compass and thus I am afraid of what she might do when in power. My guess is that all this talk about testicles will turn her into a Margaret Thatcher, trying to outhawk the hawks to prove that she's worthy of the men's club she's trying to get into. That's not good for women or the country. Finally, if she shared your feelings that any democrat in the white house will do better than McCain, why has she her husband been saying things like she and McCain would be better in the white house than Obama? She put people in this position and she will get what she has sown if and when she's able to pull off a steal of the nomination.

Posted by: Agi | May 6, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Jack Smith, everything you said is right on. Obama is such a joke. He is critical of Clinton when she says a strike on Iran would be justified isf they used nuclear aggession against another nation.

Obama is just a weakling with no experience whose stupid dream campaign has finally deflated and come back to earth.

Hey Agi, Smith isn't using Rove tactics and people are listening. Obama is a pompus eletist who just looks down at the rest of us. And don't forget if you are white then he probably thinks you are just a "typical white person."

If you have a gun or god forbid religion (pun intended) then you are just bitter about the economy!!!!

Obama is a weak, elitist who will just lose it for the dems if he is nominated.

Posted by: V | May 6, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Well, Jake D you have no clue. I think you meant to say Hillary Clinton-Bush has no chance at all to win the nominee especially if she, being the elitist she claims Barack is, doesnt back the truck up and take a good look at herself. Everything she claims Obama is, she is herself..except for the fact she is a liar and untrustworthy. How you people can think she is the one..you are snowballed!

Posted by: Sandi F | May 6, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Jakesmith,

You are an idiot.

Now will someone bring him a bib, hes drooling on himself.

Obama '08

Posted by: Neil | May 6, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Just off the phone with my sister in Indiana...

She voted for Hillary - she clearly is voting along racial lines and will freely admit to it. We've spent a fair amount of time "discussing" this issue, but I digress...

Her husband, a welder, is the perfect demographic of a Clinton supporter, but voted for Obama. He feels we need change.

I am stunned and amazed at the split in the household, and the reasons for it. Maybe Hillary doesn't have it all sewn up in Indiana as she thinks.

Go Obama!!

Posted by: Susan | May 6, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Jake D... clearly you need to vote republican. What am I saying... you have and will always.
Do you not have a job?

Posted by: Pete in fla | May 6, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

JAKed and JACKsmith. If you are the voters HC attracts, then that even speaks badly for your sociopathic candidate HC.

Get a life.

Posted by: Bob | May 6, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Boy, Obama better hold her off today because all of the remaining primaries are in Hillary's home state.

Posted by: LW | May 6, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Everyone has been talking about Hillary's 35 years of experience. How do you come to that conclusion? From what I can see she actually only has 7 years of political experience and no years of administrative experience (other than running this campaign which was hers to lose, and where she is now running second). The rest of the time she has been riding Bill's coattails.

Obama has 20 years of vetting in tough Chicago politics and has run a very good campaign. He now has 1.5 million contributors! That's 1.5 million people energized to work for him in the general election. How many contributors does Hillary have?

And then there's the fact that she's behaving like a Republican. She and McCain are in sync on a lot of issues, and she has certainly been employing Republican tactics in her campaign. She's even proud of that.

If I wanted to vote for a Republican I would vote for a Republican. Why should I vote for a Democrat who's behaving like a Republican?

Posted by: nlbknitter | May 6, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Gene:

Why is using his given name a disparaging remark? Hussain ibn Ali is revered as the third imam by Shi'a Muslims. Obama should be proud of his middle name.

Also, was it "poo" for Agi to point out that, in Arabic, HUSSEIN means "good; small handsome one"? If not, was it "poo" for me to do the same ever since this thread back in FEBRUARY?!

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/26/mccain_supporter_disparages_ob.html

Posted by: JakeD | May 6, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

If any of you think Hillary will do anything for the middle class, you are seriously blinded by the political light. I live in NY, have a farm and work for a company that has suffered due to the upstate economy. Hillary has done nothing for the middle class working people of this state! She has never suggested a "Gas Tax Holiday" for the state tax on gas. Look away from the Clinton political light!

Posted by: LiveFromNY | May 6, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

why is Bill Clinton's record an issue. Here's What why dont we just give Bill a 3rd term or 4th.

Posted by: trini | May 6, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

jacksmith-I think many will agree with your 12:54 post.

Posted by: VAreader | May 6, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

What? Barrack's middle name is HUSSEIN? Where did get that scoop? He must be an Islamo-Fascist. He better keep away from Hillary's Nuclear Shield.

Childish.

By the way Hillary can NOT win the popular vote. Michigan and Florida do not count. Those are the rules everybody agreed on.

"Everybody knows that those primaries don't count for anything"
-Hillary Clinton, when asked about Michigan and Florida in December.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Yep. The comments of die-hard (hehe, that sounds extra funny now) Hillary supporters show better than anything how out of it they are. The page-long carbon-copied "you're dumb, he-he-he" letter by jacksmith and the "middle name, whoo-hooo" by JakeD are things that most folks will ignore. These topics that have been explored, explained, and are not even thought about are brought up again and again. Find some new poo to throw... quickly! While she is still in the race!

Posted by: Gene | May 6, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

jacksmith:

If you want to vote for someone who is riding on the coattails of their spouse and touts "experience" as time married to a politician, whose only administrative effort she lead (healthcare reform) while her husband was in the WH was an abysmal failure of epic proportions, if you think this country went to war under President Clinton and that he is the greatest President in American History, then, you, sir just might be the idiot! :-)

Posted by: VAreader | May 6, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I might be an idiot. There, I said it.

Posted by: jacksmith | May 6, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I hope she wins a double victory today.
The national media has had a serious case of Obama Fever that has tilted the race to him.
His own blunders and people in his life have tripped him. There is no one to blame but himself for this-yet the media somehow tries to make it Hillary's fault.
Bottomline- everyone knows of the three left standing, she is the better choice.
With Obama to the left of her and McCain to the Wright--she is rising while the other two are waning.

Posted by: Evelyn | May 6, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

jacksmith

If one believes Hillary's telling the truth about gas tax - definitely an idiot.

if one believe she's truthful - definitely an idiot

if one believes she's not an elitist - definitely an idiot

if one believes Bill will not continue to be an adulterer just down the hall of the oval office - definitely an idiot.

if one believe Hillary's ideas are her own - definitely an idiot

if one believe the under $50K income workers with limited education will continue to vote against their economic interest - definitely stupid!

if one believe Hillary has 35yrs exp - definitely stupid

And most of all if one believe Hillary's not a closet GOP - definitely mentally challenged!!!

Posted by: carbar | May 6, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm afraid the thin skin of Sen Obama's supporters may not be cut out for the show. Maybe in 2016.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Agi:

Why do you think I am faulting Obama for his middle name?

Back on topic:

Heavy turnout for today's primaries

Poll workers in Indiana and North Carolina report heavy turnout for today's primaries that could be crucial to the Democratic presidential nomination battle between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Polling officials at one Indianapolis precinct said that they almost matched the record for an entire day after just 4 hours. full story http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/06/primaries.change/index.html

Posted by: JakeD | May 6, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY CLINTON CAN BEST WIN IN NOVEMBER:

It's time for everyone to face the truth. Barack Obama has no real chance of winning the national election in November at this time. His crushing defeat in Pennsylvania makes that fact crystal clear. His best, and only real chance of winning in November is on a ticket with Hillary Clinton as her VP.

Hillary Clinton seemed almost somber at her Pennsylvania victory speech. As if part of her was hoping Obama could have proved he had some chance of winning against the republican attack machine, and their unlimited money, and resources.

But it is absolutely essential that the democrats take back the Whitehouse in November. America, and the American people are in a very desperate condition now. And the whole World has been doing all that they can to help keep us propped up.

Hillary Clinton say's that the heat, and decisions in the Whitehouse are much tougher than the ones on the campaign trail. But I think Mr. Obama faces a test of whether he has what it takes to be a commander and chief by facing the difficult facts, and the truth before him. And by doing what is best for the American people by dropping out of the race, and offering his whole hearted assistance to Hillary Clinton to help her take back the Whitehouse for the American people, and the World.

Mr. Obama is a great speaker. And I am confident he can explain to the American people the need, and wisdom of such a personal sacrifice for them. It should be clear to everyone by now that Hillary Clinton is fighting her heart out for the American people. She has known for a long time that Mr. Obama can not win this November. You have to remember that the Clinton's have won the Whitehouse twice before. They know what it takes.

If Mr. Obama fails his test of commander and chief we can only hope that Hillary Clinton can continue her heroic fight for the American people. And that she prevails. She will need all the continual support and help we can give her. She may fight like a superhuman. But she is only human.

Sen. Hillary Clinton: "You know, more people have now voted for me than have voted for my opponent. In fact, I now have more votes than anybody has ever had in a primary contest for a nomination. And it's also clear that we've got nine more important contests to go."

Sincerely

Jacksmith... Working Class :-)

Posted by: jacksmith | May 6, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

jacksmith,

How does it feel now that the people are not listening to your Rove style venomous and poisonous propaganda?

You know? All that cynicism is going to eat you up from the inside. Why don't you abandon the dark side and join Obama in this hopeful historical moment?

You can still be saved, just look at your children.

Posted by: Agi | May 6, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

You must be at the end of your ropes if all you got it Obama's middle name.

1) How could you possibly fault Obama for a decision that was taken when he was born? That's just asinine.

2) Obama was born way before Saddam Hussein (the person you are trying to associate Obama with) was even in power. For this reason your argument his historically meaningless as anyone naming their son Hussein before anyone knew of Saddam Hussein could not possibly be accused of doing so out of reverence for the now defunct dictator.

3) In Arabic, Hussein means "good; small handsome one". There you have it.

Posted by: Agi | May 6, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

MY FELLOW "BITTER", STUPID, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE :-)

If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of "BITTER"!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. :-(

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)

Best regards

jacksmith... Working Class :-)

p.s. You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you don't know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering...

You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. :-)

Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don't die from. And I could go on, and on...

OBAMA AIDE: "WORKING-CLASS VOTERS NOT KEY FOR DEMOCRATS" :o

Posted by: jacksmith | May 6, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

donk:

Are you referring to HUSSEIN as "racist" or some other thread? Is it "sexist" to use Hillary DIANE Clinton's actual middle name too?

Posted by: JakeD | May 6, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

From time to time I read these posts and not surprisingly Mr. Racist-- "JakeD" is ALWAYS on here spewing his racist comments.
He is a pathetic disgrace and probably has a KKK robe in his closet but would be too timid and hypocritical to wear it in public. It's time that America move on and become a more tolerant and accepting nation. I pity "JakeD".

Posted by: donk | May 6, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Re: North Carolina, even if Obama is the Dem nominee, it probably won't go to him in the general election. The real contest today is Indiana. If she loses there, she's done.

Posted by: JakeD | May 6, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

IT'S OFFICIAL...BARACK OBAMA HAS DRAWN...1.5 MILLION DONORS TO HIS POLITICAL CAMPAIGN.
Super Delegates....think about it....1.5 MILLION donors !!!!!
You GO boy!
Obama '08

Posted by: TJFRMLA | May 6, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

P.S. to Dan Balz -- didn't you ask a group of strategists a ninth, tenth (and ELEVENTH) question? Sorry, but it's my pet peeve to want to answer "May I ask one more question?" with "You just did."

Posted by: JakeD | May 6, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

It is close, real close- even on the Internet.

Indiana & North Carolina: Hillary vs Barack -
The Google Effect:

http://newsusa.myfeedportal.com/viewarticle.php?articleid=100

Posted by: Dave | May 6, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

I doubt that Barack HUSSEIN Obama wins Indiana today (and, it doesn't seem like she closed the gap enough in NC but, hopefully, Hillary can keep the combined vote total LESS than 121,667 so she can still claim the popular vote lead):

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Posted by: JakeD | May 6, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

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