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Clinton, Flying Against the Wind


Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., speaks at a rally in an airport hanger in Sioux Falls, S.D., May 8, 2008. (Associated Press)

By Perry Bacon Jr.
PORTLAND, Ore. -- From Washington, D.C., to Portland and many places in between, Hillary Clinton is sending a clear message: She is still running to be the nominee of the Democratic Party.

After landing in Washington after midnight on Wednesday morning, she embarked on a 48-hour tour, with stops in West Virginia, South Dakota and southern Oregon before her campaign plane landed in the northern end of this state in Portland after 3 a.m. Friday morning.

"On June 3, Montana and South Dakota will have the last word," Clinton said at a rally at airport hangar in Sioux Falls, South Dakota on Thursday afternoon.

From the importance of female voters in the Democratic Party to the need for the party to turn West Virginia blue to the desire of Oregon voters to hear the candidates talk about Western issues, Clinton offered different rationales for staying in a race that is looks increasingly difficult for her to win.

"This country is worth fighting for," Clinton said at a rally in Central Point on Thursday. "People say to me all the time, 'Are you going to keep going?' Well, yes, of course I'm going to keep going," pausing as the crowd applauded for several seconds.

"I'm going to keep going because you keep going," she added.

Her approach was, in many ways, the same as before pundits and politicians began to declare the race over following Tuesday's primaries: long hours of campaigning and detailed speeches explaining her plans to lower the costs of college, improve American health care, end the war in Iraq and reduce gas prices.

At first, in her speech in Shepherdstown, W.Va., Clinton barely referred to Obama, but by Thursday night in Central Point, she was again challenging the Democratic front-runner to a debate.

"I hear that my opponent has changed his schedule, he's going into Oregon tomorrow," Clinton said in Central Point. "I'm going to be in Oregon. I'll meet him anywhere ... I sure hope he takes me up on it."

On her swing across the country, she spoke at two fundraisers and four rallies, and made time for interviews with local media at all her stops. She targeted small towns like Central Point that have been crucial to her candidacy, but planned stops on Friday in Portland and Louisville, Ky., before a Mother's Day fundraiser in New York City on Saturday with her daughter.

She was not exactly greeted as the nominee-in-waiting, as Obama was in Washington. As Clinton arrived, the headline on the website of the Medford Daily Tribune, the largest paper near Central Point, read, "Supporters acknowledged Clinton faces long odds in race."

But for now, any signs of the troubled state of her campaign remain largely hidden from public view. The senator looked upbeat and energetic in Central Point, patiently greeting supporters and signing autographs after a speech that came at the end of an 16-hour campaign day.

"I apologize for being a little bit late," Clinton said. "I started out this morning in West Virginia, then I stopped in South Dakota. ... I apologize that we're kind of kind of flying against the wind, but that's the story of my life, fly against the wind, you'll get there eventually."

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These are 7 of the facts:

1) The Credential Committee cannot take any decision not complying with the primary rules set legally by the DNC, neither can change these rules after the fact. Should they do so, this would be blatantly illegal and anyone could go to court asking for invalidation of such decision.
The situation within the Democratic Party is equivalent of a Corporation which acts
against its own by-laws, without modifying such by-laws BEFORE THE FACT !

2) Therefore, the sitting of the delegates
of Michigen and Florida cannot be imposed by anyone other than by an agreement of the
concerned parties, i.e. OBAMA and Hillary.

3) The longstanding and valid rule of the primary, i.e. that the winner is the one
who has MORE delegates, makes any discussion about the popular vote inmaterial

4) Even this is not supported legally, if the Superdelegates nominate the loosing candidate by pledged delegates they would be acting against the reason-to-exist (raison d'etre) of such delegates.They only exist for the case that there are three (3) or more important candidates without any of them having the majority of the pledged delegates and none of them willing to yield ! THIS IS NOT THE CASE HERE !!

5) The virtual hate and racist suspect campaign by Hillary against Obama and the fact that her fanatized supporter are in large part gender inspired will have as consequence that a large percentage of her supporter will abstain or even vote for McCAIN in September.
Such situation didn't exist in past elections and the DEMOCRATS ARE MISLEADING THEMSELVES BY HOPING THAT THE SITUATION WILL CURE ITSELF BEFORE THE ELECTIONS!

6) Should HILLARY be nominated by illegal means, the reaction of the OBAMA supporters, together with the coming GOP exploiting of the absurd high speech fees of BILL and the donation for the library (STILL NOT RELEASED!) paid by persons favored by the former president, would make her virtually unelectable !!

7) It is FALSE AND MISLEADING to qualify the attitude of HILLARY as "TOUGH, RESILIENT, FIGHTER-SPIRITED and similar !!
What the Clinton's are doing are laying the ground for a defeat of their party in November so to be able to her being nominated in 2012. Of course,the OBAMA campaign cannot say this publicly, as if they did, ANY REMAINING CHANCE TO WIN THE ELECTIONS WOULD DISAPPEAR !!

CAMINITO

Posted by: caminito | May 11, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

"I'm going to keep going because you keep going."

Isn't the reverse of that actually true? The only reason Clinton supporters have not ceased in their unending support for her is because SHE hasn't dropped out of the race. They're only clinging desperately to hope the same way she is, such a weak crutch to lean on.

Posted by: GregB | May 10, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

DON'T BE DUPED !!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. With Hillary Clinton you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama's. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses, and open primaries where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help. Except North Carolina where 35% of the population is African American, and approximately 90% of them block voted for him. African Americans are only approximately 17% of the general population.

Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! OUT GUNNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. That is crystal clear now. Because all of the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. And the demographics, and experience are completely against him. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is.

You will have another McGovern catastrophe where George McGovern lost 49 of 50 states. And was the reason the super-delegates were created to keep that from happening again. Don't let that happen to the party and America again super-delegates. You have the power to prevent it. The only important question now is who can best win in November. And the answer is HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON. That fact is also now crystal clear.

And YOUNG PEOPLE. DON'T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose. As do African Americans. Support Hillary Clinton. She will do her best for all of you. And she will know how to best get it done on day one.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton's have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic, and heroic comebacks of Hillary Clinton's. Only the Clinton's are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen. Probably the best there has ever been. Maybe it's time for Hillary to start thinking about switching to an INDEPENDENT run for the presidency. Wipe the slate clean. After all she is running to be the President of all the people. Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea would cream everyone. You know it's true. :-)

"This is not a game" (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith... Working Class :-)

Posted by: jacksmith | May 10, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

How many of the 2 to 1 voter turnout will vote for McCain? They have already had their chance to vote for him in the primaries. THEY DIDNT. They voted democratic. That is a very very silly question. So you are trying to assert that the historical voter turnout that the Dems have enjoyed is somehow reflective of voting for McCain? HOW ON EARTH would republicans who would vote for McCain switch parties to vote democratic the switch back to vote for McCain? You seem to be suggesting that the voter turnout for the Dems is somehow a vote for McCain? How on earth does the Dem turnout have ANYTHING to do with McCain. The guy is an after thought. You dont have the votes PERIOD. McCain needs to inspire TWICE the turnout from his disgruntled base. Good luck with that one.

Posted by: feastorafamine | May 9, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps Rev. Wright had no real effect on the last two DEMOCRATIC primaries. But, you do realize that the general election consists of more than just Democrats voting, right? Also, how many of the 2 to 1 margin in favor of Dems were former Republicans who are going to vote for McCain? One last word: DIEBOLD.

It's as obvious as the nose on your face, yet you can't see it.

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmmm
So Obama isnt going to get a boost in the polling after he shores up the nom?
Did Rev Wright have any real effect the last two primaries? With heavy rotation on the news networks in Indiana and it made no difference? Lets get back to reality..
The notion that McCain can actually WIN in November is laughable. Do the simple math "My friends" The voter turnout through this entire election cycle has been a 2 to 1 margin in favor of Dems. That's twice as many people voting for Dems than Repubs. Couple that with 8 years of failure by conservatives and you have a cocktail for a beatdown. How is John McCain going to inspire twice the voter turnout for his party? His great speeches? Conservative talk radio? His flip-flop talk express bus overstuffed with Lobbyists? We all love to engage in punditry but the facts are the facts. Repubs do not have the votes to win. Outside of a total collapse in the Dem party they can offer up a broccoli fart in a jar and still gain the White House.

Posted by: feastorafamine | May 9, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

feastorafamine:

FYI: May 9th polling is a bit more recent (and takes into account Rev. Wright and "bitter" remarks) than March 6th.

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Whynotnow: You're deluding yourself if you think WonderBoy is going to have what it takes to get us out of this mess. He's got to figure out how he's going to keep from being eaten alive by ravenous Republicans who will devour him over his campaign blunders with Rev. Wright and his naive faith/guns comment. He thinks he can sit down and negotiate with the likes of Ahmadinejad. The Clintons rescued us once before from the reckless mess left behind when Regan/Bush were done...Nothing short of that will get us back on track this time. This isn't a popularity contest. It's not about filling racial or gender quotas. It's not about indulging young college kids who are taking a break from reality television and FaceBook chats to do something cool because everyone else is. It's about rescuing our dying country before its too late. Give me a better reason to vote and I will. Obama just doesn't do it for me. I didn't become this disillusioned all by myself.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Jill in Maryland (first comment): So you are going to sit it out in November and then say "I told you so" if McCain (Bush III) wins. I am sorry for all of us that you see your citizenship role that way. If McCain then keeps us in Iraq for 50 years, the economy keeps going down the drain and we send the Supreme Court further back to the stone ages, I will tell you, "I told you so."

Posted by: whynotnow | May 9, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

BEING A PRISSONER OF WAR IS NOT A CAKE WALK BUT ANOTHER THING IS THE URBAN LEGEND MEDIA CREATED AROUND MCCAIN. HE WAS IN PRISON THE WHOLE DURATION OF THE THE VIETNAM WAR, NEVER SEEN COMBAT, NEVER KILLED A ENEMY OR SAVE A FELLOW SOLDIER LIVE BUT HE WAS AND STILL PRESENTED AS A SUPPER HERO, BIGGER THAN PATTON. IT IS TIME TO REVIEW THE REALITY AND GIVE HIS STORY A SENSE OF PROPPORCIONALITY

Posted by: mali | May 9, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

If Obama is the nominee, I'll be sitting this election out. I've vote in every election since I was first eligible in the late 80's and this is the first time I can't bring myself to back a candidate who lacks the experience to get us out of the mess we're in. Obama is the "W" of the Democratic Party for 2008...all talk, all ego, no plan of action. I simply cannot buy into it and will not waste my vote. Ask yourself how many others will do the same on election night. We're getting ready to throw away another election we should have had in the bag. I'll be here waiting to say "I told you so."

Posted by: Jill in Maryland | May 9, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

OOPS!
SurveyUSA interviewed 600 registered voters in each of the 50 states. A total of 30,000 interviews were completed. If John McCain faces Barack Obama, Obama wins 280 to 256. McCain carries 26 states. Obama carries 24 states plus the District of Columbia ... and then there is Nebraska, which divides its electoral votes based on which candidate wins each of the state's congressional districts. McCain wins Nebraska 45% to 42%, but loses in two of the state's three congressional districts, which results in Barack Obama taking two of Nebraska's five electoral votes.

http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/03/06/electoral-math-as-of-030608-obama-280-mccain-258/

OOPS!
ttp://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

Your GOP boogyman fear mongering about electability is desperate to say the least.

Posted by: feastorafamine | May 9, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

"Gorrila" math? I'm sure each of the remaining Super Delegates are keenly aware of the electoral math -- it really comes down to the fact that Hillary DIANE Hillary can win Florida and Barack HUSSEIN Obama can't -- there's also no denying that McCain is currently AHEAD of Obama in head-to-head State polling.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May09.html

And, McCain would LOSE to Clinton (if the vote was held today).

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May09.html

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Jake
Your CNN link doesnt support your own "fact" Ist that a little like me providing this link to support my argument?
http://www.google.com/
However MY link (Below) gives direct current data on the populalar vote which...shocker is nothing like your gorrilla math.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Posted by: feastorafamine | May 9, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, your FACTS about the popular vote are moot.

After the final primary, the candidate with the most pledged and unpledged delegates WILL be the nominee - and Clinton has no chance of having either; Obama will have both.

Sorry, JakeD. But that's a REAl fact. Better start looking for another cause, my friend; this one's lost.

Posted by: Dennis Berry | May 9, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Good point, Fausto.

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Go Hillary! She is going to break like the wind!

Er, I think that's what I meant to say.

Posted by: Mr. Bungle
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Yes, and the entirety of America will hear that huge gas iradication from Hilliary!!!


Posted by: NinaK | May 9, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Saying Obama's popular vote is underrepresented in caucus states is a poor argument. Obama had a big win in the Texas caucus 56%-44% (where only several hundred thousand people participated). However, Hillary won the Texas primary 51%-47%, which is a difference of more than 100.000 votes (if im not mistaken more than 2 million people patricipated). In Texas, all primary voters are eligible to participate in the caucus, yet only a faction of primary voters actually participated. Hillary Clinton's voting coalition of largely working class people would struggle to be at a caucus specifically at 7:30pm for 3-4 hours. This is why Obama is overrepresented in caucuses. Obviously affluent people and college kids will be able to skip class and just attend one of these. Most working people either have kids, or shift jobs that do not permit them to attend. Who knows how many caucus states would have gone to Hillary had they been primaries instead of caucuses. The fact that Hillary was even able to win a caucus in Nevada shows that she would have blown away Obama had it been a primary, where it only requires several minutes of your time instead of several hours.

Posted by: Fausto | May 9, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Really? A FACT? A fact that Hillary has more votes? I suppose you could source that then, or provide the stats? I can

86,705

Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)** 16,502,764 47.9% 16,416,059 47.6% Obama +86,705

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

And thats including the gorilla math used to count two elections that Obama didnt even campaign in and one for whom he wasnt even on the ballot.
The estimate from the four Caucus states where there are not official popular vote numbers increases Senator Obama's popular vote margin by 110,224. This number would be about 50,000 less if the Washington primary results from February 19th were used instead of the Washington Caucus results.)

Posted by: feastorafamine | May 9, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

feastorafamine:

I provided the CNN link, below.

Tim in PA:

I already said that I'm not making an argument re: counting Florida and Michigan one way or the other -- there's no denying that OFFICIAL DOCUMENTED votes were cast in both States for Hillary -- as you pointed out in Michigan, for Obama, not so many ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

She is flying against the wind fueled by denial, blind ambition, selfishness, and traveling on credit cards running away from vendors in all the states she's campaigned in. People who are waiting to be paid while she is making speeches about helping working people.

She is something else in the wind I think.

Posted by: Gaias Child | May 9, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

The "popular vote tally" is a trite canard.

Do voters not deserve to be heard because their state conducts a caucus, rather than a primary?

The only measure of merit in the nomination process is the delegate count.

Posted by: Jeremiah | May 9, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD
it is a FACT that more people voted for her -- 16,416,059 -- as she stated, once you count Florida and Michigan.
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Really? A FACT? I suppose you could source that then, or provide the stats? I can

86,705

Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)** 16,502,764 47.9% 16,416,059 47.6% Obama +86,705

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

And thats including the gorilla math used to count two elections that Obama didnt even campaign in and one for whom he wasnt even on the ballot.

Posted by: feastorafamine | May 9, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Descartes - I think, therefore I am.

Hillary - I run, therefore, I am.

Posted by: BobC | May 9, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

How can you count michigan in the popular vote? It was hardly a fair ballot considering Obama did not even have his name on it. Of course Hillary is going to get more votes when people cant even vote for Obama.

Posted by: Tim from Pa | May 9, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

P.S. -- no "electoral votes" have been cast yet ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Tim from Pa:

I am not arguing that Michigan and Florida should count -- that's ultimately up to the Credentials Committee if something's not worked out before the Convention -- regardless of that decision, however, OFFICIAL DOCUMENTED votes were cast in Florida and Michigan (that's another "fact" BTW). Not only does Hillary still lead in Super Delegates -- admittedly, that is dwindling every day -- but she LEADS in total popular vote. 16,416,059 (another "fact"). Count 'em up at the CNN link I posted, below, if you don't believe me.

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Hillary might not be the perfect candidate but at least she's more realistic and practical. Unlike her opponent who only talks about "change" yet still no one at this points has any idea what kind of "change" he's going to bring.

Hillary '08!

Posted by: Jackie | May 9, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

silver/blue:

You are a person without hope. If your predictions are correct, and they dont sound all that far fetched, we will see another civil war within 50 years. I hope that you ar not correct though. Maybe, just maybe, Barack Obama is not lying to everyone and he will actually stand up against the people you had mentioned, the ones holding the puppet strings on bush. I will vote for "one chance, just one chance, to be able to stand up and say YOU CAN TAKE OUR LIVES, BUT YOU CAN NEVER TAKE OUR FREEEEEEDOM!"

I guess a bravehear quote is a little over the top, but you get my point i'm sure.

Posted by: Tim from Pa | May 9, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:
Both Hillary and Obama agreed before michigan and florida voted, that these states would not count because they broke the rules. So now that Hillary is behind she can change her mind and support rule breakers? Why should the DNC allow florida and michigan to count? Seems like all that would provoke is more people breaking the rules and crying about it after they get punished.

Want to know real facts?

Obama leads in electoral votes.
Obama leads in campain funds.
Obama leads in popular votes.
Clinton leads by 6 superdelegates.
Michigan and Florida broke DNC set rules.

Want to know real opinions?

Obama can't beat McCain.
Obama is only supported by blacks.
Obama is a terrorist.
Hurricane katrina was sent by god to stop a gay march.
Clinton is looking out for the american people.
The moon is made of cheese.
The Earth is flat.
Obama is inexperienced.
Michigan and Florida should count.
Al sharpton has bearing on this matter.

Posted by: Tim from Pa | May 9, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

only me:

The Clintons donated $10 million to charities (a much higher percentage of their income than the Obamas donated, and not all to black charities, either ; )

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/04/clintons-income-tops-109-million/

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Go Hillary! She is going to break like the wind!

Er, I think that's what I meant to say.

Posted by: Mr. Bungle | May 9, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous at 1:05 PM:

Add up the DOCUMENTED, OFFICIAL votes cast for Hillary then, if you don't believe me (it's always good to have someone double-check the math):

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Much of the Clintons' money has come from book sales. One book that has done particularly well is Bill Clinton's "Giving". It would be lovely to see Hillary taking this on board and giving millions of dollars to good causes instead of to her failed campaign.

Posted by: only me | May 9, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Thats over she is now a liability.

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The only reason she's running now is purely for extortion purposes. She wants Obama to pay her debts and put her on the ticket so she can spend 4 years trying to destroy him. Remember, she's a closet neo-con and they never do anything honorable. It's against their nature.

Posted by: MikeMcNally | May 9, 2008 12:55 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

We all are aware that Mr. Obama is not going to bring "change we can believe in" any more than any other president ever has. He will have to answer to the international monetary thugs and energy criminals who truly control the globe just as the others have in the past, George W included (he is by no means in control and only does what his masters tell him to do). Hillary at least has been privy to the truth and has butted up against these powerful and evil greedy forces, so she has an edge as far as experience. Obama is in for a rude awakening and will accomplish only what he is told to accomplish. People, I cannot believe you still believe in a government of the people...etc. It does not exist. Vote for whomever it is that makes you feel good. This is all a fiction.

Posted by: silver/blue | May 9, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Wake up lady! The math is the math, and you cannot ignore the reality of your hopeless campaign to "soldier on, in the campaign for Prez in 08.

It would be nice for you divisive Clintons to do something honorable for a change, and bow out of this destructive behavior.

This Demo primary campaigh should be about our party defeating Generalissomo McCain in the November, but you two have made it all about the Clintons. Go away. Forrest Gerard

Posted by: Forrest Gerard | May 9, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

DWayne:

How can you say she "lost" when she has more DOCUMENTED, OFFICIAL votes -- 16,416,059 after here Indiana win -- I thought you guys were the ones wanting to get rid of the Electoral College so that POPULAR VOTE would elect Presidents?

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

fletc3her:

It's not my fault that your State Dem Party chose to "vote" in a manner that does not produce DOCUMENTED, OFFICIAL vote totals. For an "alleged" Democrat, it is shocking to say the least, that you would believe the TOTAL POPULAR VOTE is "meaningless" -- are you really a registered Democrat -- did you say the same about Gore in 2000?

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Hillary you need to face reality. It's over. Get over it already. You lost. Know, for once in your life forget about yourself and do what's right. Help Obama beat McCain.

Posted by: DWayne | May 9, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Yea, flying against the breaking wind if you ask me. . . T

The shame of her hot air is that she is asking poor people to send her money such that she can continue her campaign. Now she is destroying the reputation of the elected supporters that have stood behind her but (now) look delusional. The three amigos, Diane, Charlie, and Chuck have technically abandoned their friendship by being silent and by not telling her to pull the rip cord. The Clinton couple has expired and need to be taken off the shelf. She can return to the Bob Johnson villa in Anguilla and recuperate if she might endure the stress of the private jet and limo ride to the villa.

Posted by: terrt | May 9, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Talking about how many people "voted" in the primaries is pointless since several of the states have CAUCUSES! I did not vote in the primaries, but I did caucus in the primaries. I helped select a slate of delegates from my district including three for Barack Obama and two for Hillary Clinton. In any case, Obama now leads by even the meaningless benchmarks which the Clinton camp has been proposing. Most importantly, he leads by the only benchmark that means anything, delegates.

Clinton should drop out and help unite the party behind the candidate. We've had enough election shenanigans in the last eight years. The last thing we need is Clinton attempting to overturn the will of the Democratic Party using procedural challenges.

Posted by: fletc3her | May 9, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

We all expected this type of brazen and downright comical denial acts from the Clintons because we have learned that during the last few months that they are this type of people. They make somehow George Bush appear more sane.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Black racism cannot trump the Democratic nomination process. Obama's lead in delegates, superdelegates and votes is due to the black racism in voting against Sen. Clinton.

Obama does not have the requisite number of delegates for the nomination; he has no presumptive lock on the nomination. The Democratic nomination process is still in progress and concludes when all of the remaining states have voted and the superdelegates select the best qualified candidate using their independent judgment. Sen. Clinton is the best qualified presidential candidate and she must continue her fight for the future of America.

Qualifications must be the unyielding principle, similar to the rule of law, for the presidential nomination. There is no "backroom deal" in the unyielding principle of qualifications.

Swiping the nomination from Sen. Clinton with the premature end of the nomination process is a subversion of the Democratic nomination process and this will result in Obama's crashing and burning in November and the Democratic Party a train wreck in November. I will vote McCain. McCain will be president and it will be four more years of Bush under McCain. Black racism must be defeated.

Posted by: crat3 | May 9, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

NoCal:

That's Hillary's total of DOCUMENTED, OFFICIAL votes (Florida and Michigan included). Of course, more people voted for her -- and Obama -- in Caucus States, but we don't know how many more. Sorry for any confusion.

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

meepo:

You are forgetting that four States (Iowa, Nevada, Washington & Maine) have not released any official Popular Vote Totals -- my latest count has Hillary at 16,416,059 votes -- it all depends on the Rules and Credentials Committees.

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

The only reason she's running now is purely for extortion purposes. She wants Obama to pay her debts and put her on the ticket so she can spend 4 years trying to destroy him. Remember, she's a closet neo-con and they never do anything honorable. It's against their nature.

Posted by: MikeMcNally | May 9, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, you're wrong.

That we don't know X (how many people voted in the Caucus)
Doesn't mean that X=0

So your statement that "it is a FACT that more people voted for her -- 16,416,059 -- as she stated, once you count Florida and Michigan." is false. It is NOT a fact.

In fact, we don't know, since, as you stated, "there is no official record" of the number of caucus votes.

Posted by: NoCal | May 9, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Hillary no longer leads the popular vote with Michigan and Florida included. She DID lead the total popular vote (MI and FL included as well as the caucus votes) after the Pennsylvania primary -- by about 13,000 votes out of something like 30 million votes cast -- but North Carolina's result easily absorbed that margin and Indiana's result failed to negate NC's 220,000 some-odd vote margin.

I voted for Obama back in January, not out of some crazy Hillary hate. I like both candidates and I'm confident that she'll end her campaign if and when she sees fit.

Posted by: meepo | May 9, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Sally:

"Rejected"? Since there is no official record of how many people even voted in four of the State Caucus, it is a FACT that more people voted for her -- 16,416,059 -- as she stated, once you count Florida and Michigan.

Posted by: JakeD | May 9, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton's are Has-Beens!

Now that she has been rejected in this race, lets hope she is also never elected to any office again!

Her true character has been revealed in this race, and she is no better than Bush.

Lets hope that Obama or McCain will repair the damage done by the Clintons and Bushs.

Posted by: Sally | May 9, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Any guesses on why she is so insistent on accruing more debt?

Reading about Clinton is so B O R I N G now... It's the same lines between every primary. "Meet me here!" "I run cuz I run"...

Posted by: jencm | May 9, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

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