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Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) waves to tourists from Illinois as he is followed by the news media through the U.S. Capitol, Thursday, May 8, 2008. (Associated Press)

Updated 4:25 p.m.
By Shailagh Murray
Sen. Barack Obama was mobbed on the House floor this morning as he hunted for superdelegates to lock up the Democratic nomination. Republicans, Clinton supporters, his own backers and more than a few undecided Democrats received the Illinois senator as if he were already the nominee.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton spent Wednesday in D.C. trying to lobby uncommitted House superdelegates, but she asked them to come to her and had limited success persuading busy lawmakers to leave the Capitol. Obama showed up on their turf, walking into a packed chamber this morning in the middle of a vote.

He headed over to the "Murtha" corner to visit with the Pennsylvania delegation. Rep. Jack Murtha, the dean of delegation, is a Clinton man, but Keystone state buddies Mike Doyle, Paul E. Kanjorski, Jason Altmire and Robert Brady remain uncommitted. Obama yucked it up with all of them, including Armed Services Chairman Ike Skelton of Missouri, another Clinton backer and Murtha friend.

The senator's escorts included Illinois Rep. Jan Schakowsky and Steven Rothman (N.J.), an early defector from a pro-Clinton state, who hovered nearby for the entire 40-minute session, whispering names into Obama's ear and beaming proudly. Rep. Ellen Tauscher (Calif.), a Clinton supporter, waited her turn to extend a warm handshake. Uncommitted Rep. Bart Stupak (Mich.) got a few minutes of quality schmooze time. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer bowed gallantly and gave Obama a big hug. The Maryland Democrat is neutral -- officially at least.

Republicans lined up, too: David Dreier (Calif.), Jerry Lewis (Calif.), Dana Rohrabacher (Calif.), and Roscoe Bartlett (Md.). Rep. Judy Biggert, from Obama's home state of Illinois, tapped him on the shoulder to say hi. Wyoming Rep. Barbara Cubin congratulated Obama and spoke to him briefly. While Obama was making his way to pro-Clinton Energy and Commerce Chairman John Dingell (Mich.), Rep. Heath Shuler (N.C.) brushed by quickly, looking in the other direction. Although Obama won his state big, Shuler said yesterday that he would back the person who carried his conservative district -- Clinton.

(A Shuler spokesman later called to explain that the congressman had greeted Obama earlier, when he walked onto the floor, and that the two had a "cordial chat." The spokesman stressed that Shuler's announcement yesterday didn't constitute an endorsement of Clinton -- just a commitment to vote for her at the convention, if it ever came to that.)

Eventually, Obama escaped, only to be greeted by around 100 congressional pages waiting in the hallway for a group photo with the Democratic front-runner. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) shrugged off the fuss, noting that "senators come to our floor all the time. Some attract more attention than others. I'm sure if Senator Clinton came, she would attract a great deal of attention as well."

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You may have heard of Rev. John Hagee, the McCain supporter who said God created Hurricane Katrina to punish New Orleans for its homosexual "sins." Well now meet Rev. Rod Parsley, the televangelist megachurch pastor from Ohio who hates Islam. According to David Corn of Mother Jones, Parsley has called on Christians to wage war against Islam, which he considers to be a "false religion." In the past, Parsley has also railed against the separation of church and state, homosexuals, and abortion rights, comparing Planned Parenthood to Nazis.

John McCain actively sought and received Parsley's endorsement in the presidential race. McCain has called Parsley "a spiritual guide," and he hasn't said whether he shares Parsley's vicious anti-Islam views. That's because the mainstream media refuses to ask. And so, we've taken matters into our own hands, joining Mother Jones to present the truth about McCain's pastor:

Watch the video: http://bravenewfilms.org/watch/25568244/38133?utm_source=rgemail

Since the media won't question McCain about his deeply bigoted pastor, it's up to you to call attention to this issue. Make McCain's pastor problem a major story by forwarding this video to your family, friends, and colleagues. Digg it! Anything to spread the word.

We can't let McCain get away with aligning himself with a religious leader who's called for an all-out war on Islam, someone who draws no distinctions between Muslims and violent Islamic extremists. We can do better.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2008 1:26 AM

If you are wondering why the press isn't reporting on this, it is because Hillary Clinton successfully filed a SLAPP (strategic lawsuit against public participation) so the US press cannot report on the proceedings of the case.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2008 1:22 AM

Clinton who? Come on people. It's time to move on and back our soon-to-be elected President of the United States!

Posted by: Jason | May 9, 2008 1:21 AM

The trial date for Paul vs. Clintons is February 21, 2008.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 9, 2008 1:20 AM

Do we want this in the office. Clinton supporters....Peter F. Paul has launched a new website to expose and inform the public of the upcoming landmark civil trial of Paul vs. Clinton. The case is pending in a California court against former President Bill Clinton, with Senator Hillary Clinton as a material witness.

A status conference hearing is scheduled for April 25, 2008, and a trial date is expected to be announced soon.

Discovery in the case is expected to begin in May, 2008 as it proceeds to trial.

The discovery will expose an ongoing cover-up of the campaign finance crimes and the obstructions of justice directed by Hillary Clinton with the help of Bill Clinton and former DNC Chair Ed Rendell. The cover-up rivals Watergate in its corruption of each branch of government and the media.

Since the media still refuses to cover Senator Clinton's involvement in the largest campaign finance fraud case in U.S. history, Paul will report on much of the news himself in this historic landmark case

Posted by: lately | May 8, 2008 9:34 PM

Clinton enabled Bush in the run up to the war.
Clinton Lied about the insurgency dying in 2005.
Clinton has turned into a race baiting Rove clone.
She does not deserve to be called a Democratic or the President.

Posted by: she sucks | May 8, 2008 9:28 PM

Cd and others.. I feel bad for ya.  People are clearly hating Obama b/c of his color. How can we be so mad at someone from following the democratic rules and is winning by it, It is not Obama fault that HRC didn't estimate running a campaign pass January of 2008.  Just think about this before people of the democratic party hold there vote b/c the one you support is losing.  We need to support the one who clearly win by the democratic rules.  Obama didn't make the rules that have him in the lead and have won more states it is not Obama fault that the dem party set these rules up.  Obama did what the party ask and is not trying to make up rules as he goes.  Obama didn't play the negative card or did he attact first all the young man has done was defended himself and played his hand by the democratic rules, and if people is so mad at him they are using there anger at the wrong person, it should be use at the Dem..party and not Obama.  Obama is clearly trying to win for all the people that we will grow as one no matter our race and gender.  Hillary is clearly out to win for the people as well but she is also trying to take the win by telling her supporters to not vote for Obama.  Why would you do that and why should the party break up becouse someone don't like the fact her opponent is winning by the Democratic Rules....No matter who win I will be voting for the democratic party winner and we all should do the same if you are a democrat.  Remeber Obama played by the rules and how can we be mad at that.  Keep the party togather.....

Posted by: ikerock | May 8, 2008 9:26 PM

If you are an racist in MD,VA and the DC metro area do ua a favor and please leave our area and move to another country.

Posted by: rock | May 8, 2008 9:25 PM

If Hillary had been able to secure the youth vote, the African-American vote wouldn't have mattered. And now she's telling us to vote for her because she has the "working white class" vote? Sorry, Hil. I don't support the white trash candidate of choice.

Posted by: Laura | May 8, 2008 8:11 PM

For those of you saying that blacks are only voting for Obama because he is black, first acknowledge that he is biracial - black and white. And that he was raised by two white women and a white man!

But if you are still of the ignorant view that blacks are voting for Obama because of the color of his skin, here is a list of reasons why this black woman, and others (black or white) support Obama:

 He is honest

 He represents much needed change in US politics

 He has the best plan for America of the three candidates

 He has been the one candidate, even if forced to do so, to acknowledge that race is still an issue in America.

 He publicly opposed the war when it was not politically correct or popular to do so (even though he did not have the opportunity to vote on it; he used his position to address millions)

 He shows integrity. He refrained from getting low and dirty with HRC even though she was making it very easy. And he attempted to give his former pastor the benefit of the doubt for his politically incorrect statements.

 He refrained from using the gas tax holiday as a means to increase his popularity.

 His campaign is funded by regular Americans rather than special interest groups.

The fact the he is part black, and blacks can identify with him to an extent, is second to the fact that he is simply the best candidate out there.

Posted by: a black voter | May 8, 2008 7:15 PM

Superbowl
COUNTDOWN TO VICTORY
175 Delegates Obama
486 total delegates remain

262 Supers 224 elected 217 in states+PR

Posted by: delgate math | May 8, 2008 6:13 PM

To LOL who said, "Would you hire a CEO who lied about sniper fire?????"

No, and yours is a valid and crucial point that many are missing. I wouldn't even put that person on the interview list. Neither would I hire one that was promoting a losing economic strategy that none of the experts (or common sense, for that matter) would support. In corporate circles -- well, you know what that's called.

Posted by: SilverFoxUna | May 8, 2008 5:33 PM

Superdelegats are destroying the democratic process!

It is sad that in America 'superdelegates' decide the election and not the people! I hope the world is looking at this and laughing real hard at 'democracy'!

Posted by: John | May 8, 2008 5:29 PM

Sean said, "That would be like hiring a guy to lead a fortune 500 company with world wide interest that only has experience running a company that hasn't even gone public yet. How long you've worked does not trump leadership, common sense, and integrity. Does your candidate exhibit these traits?"

I am sure glad I have Google stock and not GM. The young, inexperienced, Larry and Sergiy have made me a lot more money than what ever grey hair they have running GM at the moment. You forget, Bill Gates was young and inexperieinced when he started MicroSoft. I wish I had bet on him back then! Experience is way overrated. I'll take a smart, energetic leader any day of the week. I am sure Mark Zuckerberg -- the 24-year-old CEO of Facebook and world's youngest self-made billionaire -- would agree.

Posted by: lisa8 | May 8, 2008 5:27 PM

JakeD: Sorry, I wasn't aware first is last. It was intended for "cd".

Posted by: Sean | May 8, 2008 5:09 PM

Sean:

Are you talking to me?

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 4:44 PM

How about Madam speaker Nancy Pelosi for Vice-President?
Now there's a team!!!!

Posted by: LJ Blue | May 8, 2008 4:40 PM

Dear WP, would you please add the feature to let readers sort comments by most recommended by (registered) readers?

Posted by: hi | May 8, 2008 4:38 PM

Would you hire a CEO who lied about sniper fire?????

Posted by: lol | May 8, 2008 4:34 PM

First commenter: >>That would be like hiring a guy to lead a fortune 500 company with world wide interest that only has experience running a company that hasn't even gone public yet. It just wouldn't happen!!

How long you've worked does not trump leadership, common sense, and integrity. Does your candidate exhibit these traits?

Posted by: Sean | May 8, 2008 4:27 PM

Thanks for the info mm. I've been following the Paul v. Clinton lawsuit for about awhile now. Despite numerous attempts to bring this debacle into the media light, damage control is alive and well in the Clinton camp - and has been for some time. The SLAPP maneuver you referenced is a shrewd one - and one expected from the lawyer candidate (and her co-candidate, Bill) who both have a high level of disdain for transparency and truthfulness. And, it goes to the heart of the matter - heirarchial political mischief in the driver's seat (at least for the time being). The voters have spoken and it's contrary to the wranglings of the true elitists who don't want to release their hold on the scepter.

Posted by: SilverFoxUna | May 8, 2008 4:25 PM

The Neo-cons want to treat Obama like that scene from Beverly Hills Cop where Eddie Murphy can't check into the Fancy Hotel. Then he makes a scene and they give in. Thats the underlying theme and Fox News can't cover it up, no matter how good E.D. Hill looks on camera.

Posted by: Ben Methany | May 8, 2008 4:23 PM

Earl, you need help. Do you understand that African Americans have been voting for white candidates for President for all of history, (with few exceptions)Do you also know that not all African Americans are voting for Obama. What does you comment suggest for the White Americans that have voted for and will vote for Obama.

Posted by: kjack | May 8, 2008 4:21 PM

I am for Hillary, because I believe she is loyal to this country, she has been playing in the major leagues for a long time. I am sorry if it says I am a racist if I don't believe Obama is loyal to the people of this country... I truly wont use my vote for McC or Ob. I wont be responsible for putting either of them in my white house. There is alot of wrong with America; but there is alot right.
The election process has been so manipulated.. that the last two elections were not won by the winner!! amazing.
But I am not angry at Obama, he is a politician that has found a marketing niche, and has gotten alot of milage out of it. Americans are about "Brand" everything is about branding now... package it up real nice tell me it will make me sleep better and I will take it! I
I think it is great that our party has such support and such emotion in America coming to the surface; and we are acting like it is a bad thing. usually it doesn't matter after the first couple of months... your opinion isn't needed.

I have the right to form my opinion, if I research and believe I have enough info. to form an opinion; not just allow the TV to spoon feed me like an infant. I just do not believe he is ready to lead this country.
That would be like hiring a guy to lead a fortune 500 company with world wide interest that only has experience running a company that hasn't even gone public yet. It just wouldn't happen!! It isn't good business sense. Down the road with more experience maybe... but I wouldn't let a sargent run a base; let alone run the branch of service!
Good day everyone~ enjoy the contest

Posted by: cd | May 8, 2008 4:18 PM

Obama's State Senate Record Will Hurt Him Badly
A review of Barack Obama's State Senate record reveals some "hot button" issues that will cause him grief in a race against John McCain. These issues will hurt Obama against John McCain and strengthen Hillary Clinton's arguments that he is unelectable:

Judicial Watch: by Klaus Marre- Obama 'intended to leave no paper trail' OBAMA REFUSES to cooperate in releasing 8 years of his state senate records. One main reason REZKO!
- Voted against making permanent the repeal of the state's 5 percent sales tax on gasoline. (2000)
- Supported higher taxes, raising more than 300 taxes and fees on businesses in 2004 to help solve a budget deficit.
- He is opposed letting people use a self-defense argument if charged with violating local handgun bans by using weapons in their homes. The bill was a reaction to a Chicago-area man who, after shooting an intruder, was charged with a handgun violation.
- He voted against requiring medical care for aborted fetuses who survive, the fetuses would sometime survive for hours. Abortion opponents see Obama's vote on medical care for aborted fetuses as a refusal to protect the helpless and accuse him of supporting infanticide.
- He sponsored a measure to expunge criminal records and create an employment grant program for ex-criminals. (2002)
- He voted to limit the purchase of handguns to one a month.
- Voted against making gang members eligible for the death penalty if they kill someone to help their gang. (2001)
* THE CHANGE AGENT*
Obama said he goofed on votes angered fellow Democrats in the Senate when he voted to strip millions of dollars from a child welfare office on Chicago's West Side. But Obama had a ready explanation: He goofed!
Politico reports, "During his first run for elected office, Barack Obama played a greater role than he acknowledges in crafting liberal stands on gun control, the death penalty and abortion- positions that appear at odds with the more moderate image he's projected during his presidential campaign. The evidence comes from an amended version of an Illinois voter group's detailed questionnaire, filed under his name during his bid for a state Senate. In response to a Politico story, Obama's answers he never saw questioaire?


Also announced he had fumbled an election-reform vote the day before, on a measure that passed 51 to 6. The next day, he acknowledged voting "present" on a key telecommunications vote. He stood on March 11, 1999, to take back his vote against legislation to end good-behavior credits for certain felons in county jails. "I pressed the wrong button on that," he said. Obama was the lone dissenter on Feb. 24, 2000, against 57 yeas for a ban on human cloning. "I pressed the wrong button by accident," he said.

But two of Obama's bumbles came on more-sensitive topics, he backed legislation to permit riverboat casinos to operate even when the boats were dockside.

The measure, pushed by the gambling industry and fought by church groups whose support Obama was seeking, passed with two "yeas" to spare -- including Obama's. Moments after its passage he rose to say, explaining that he had mistakenly voted for it.

Obama would later develop a reputation as a critic of the gambling industry, and he voted against a similar measure two years later. But he was clearly confused about how to handle the issue at the time of his first vote, telling a church group that he was "undecided" about whether he backed an expansion of riverboat gambling. And, months earlier, he had voted in favor of a version of the bill.

Obama's vote sparked a confrontation after he joined Republicans to block Democrats trying to override a veto by GOP Gov. George Ryan of a $2-million allotment for the west Chicago child welfare office. being responsible," said Sen. Rickey Hendon, accusing Obama of voting to close the child welfare office.Obama replied "I understand Sen. Hendon's anger, I was not aware that I had voted no on that piece of legislation.

Striking similarities between Barack Obama's words and those of Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick during his 2006 election campaign have raised eyebrows and attracted traffic on YouTube. The stump speech Barack Obama has been giving aimed at convincing voters that his campaign is not just about lofty rhetoric -- is from Patrick.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 8, 2008 4:08 PM

jwh-IF, you are referring to those Big Ugly dusty piles of Garbage in the Massachusetts Corner, better have a BIG Broom!

Oops, you missed a Speaker, and a Majority Leader! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 8, 2008 4:02 PM

Flying Eagle-(Culbert?), the same could be said about Congressmen slipping Earmarks onto a piece of any legislation to wiggle their garbage in.

Is it really asking too much to make Legislative Actions about just ONE Action?

Noooooo, Wait! What was I thinking?

How Embarrassing!

That's what Libbie Judges are For! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 8, 2008 3:57 PM

Large part of american government is afraid of what will happen when the new brooms come in effect next year. And they have raisons to be afraid, as half is corrupt and criminals. I reckon there will be an on slaughter next year among government officials, members of congress, white house and senate.

Posted by: jwh | May 8, 2008 3:53 PM

LW:

That was the FAKE JakeD.

CPrice:

Alternative, the argument could be made that her 16 million is up over 20 million now that the Rev. Wright revelations came out ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 3:49 PM

McCain, Obama, and Clinton are all the same. The Libertarian candidate, which will be chosen by the end of the month, is the only different candidate. The others are all for a bigger government, be it socially or fiscally. All three pander to the ignorant masses, as well.

Posted by: James | May 8, 2008 3:37 PM

how many of you who have posted a comment have seen the segment where they showed the life story of obama? you need to see that he grew up poor no with a silver spoon in his mouth like hilliary. do you know how hard it was to live in america when obama was born for a young white young girl to give birth to a child from a african(black) man? the cards were stacked againt him from the beginning, yet he took life at its best and made the best of it. he had to attend school not knowing whether he was white or black. look at his acheivements at one time top guy at harvard law scool. graduated with high honors, and has work to help poor people in chicago to better their lives. is it because he an intellegent articulate black man who have defied the racial bigotry to make him self a decent person in a country that says all men is created equal or is that just talk. every president in the history of the usa has been white is that sound like all men are created equal? GOD IS IN CONTROL OF THIS WORLD HE MADE IT AND IF ITS HIS CHOICE TO HAVE A BLACK PRESIDENT IN THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE(white) WHO IS POWERFUL ENOUGH TO TELL HIM NOT TOO? MAN IS SO DEPRAVED HE JUST DONT KNOW HOW DEPRAVED HE REALLY IS. HE HAS UNDER ESTIMATED GOD AND HAVE OVER ESTIMATED HIM SELF. LETS ALL CHILL OUT SEE WHO IS GOING TO BE THE PRESIDENT WE CERTIANLY CANT DO ANY THING ABOUT IT.

Posted by: leon | May 8, 2008 3:37 PM

The problem with giving a President Line Item Veto power is that He or She would be able to intimidate any one House or Senate member into voting the way they want. Think about it, a budget gets passed and the President lets A Senator or Rep know that if they do not vote this way on a certain issue . . .he will use his Line Item Veto power to scratch that "Earmark" out of the bill. I for one am not ready to give a President that kind of power. They already have enough as it is.

Posted by: Flying Eagel | May 8, 2008 3:31 PM

If you are wondering why Bill's face was so red after Hillary's defeat in North Carolina, it is because he is involved in the Paul vs. Clinton lawsuit accusing him of campaign fraud and stealing money from a close 'friend.' If Hillary wins the nomination, she is exempt from testifying in the case now going on in California.

If you are wondering why the press isn't reporting on this, it is because Hillary Clinton successfully filed a SLAPP (strategic lawsuit against public participation) so the US press cannot report on the proceedings of the case.

They are 'throwing the kitchen sink' and prolonging the race at all costs to save their own skin, not yours.

GO OBAMA 2008

CHECK IT OUT HERE:

http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?%2Fen%2Fstory-details%2Ftrial_date_to_be_set_in_paul_vs_clinton_on_february_21_2008%2F

Trial date to be set in Paul vs. Clinton on February 21, 2008.

Additional information:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51664


Posted by: mm | May 8, 2008 3:30 PM

Very well stated Juanita...thank you.

Obama/Webb 2008

Posted by: AJ from VA | May 8, 2008 3:29 PM

Here is another article to keep some of you busy I know some of you love blogging:

Buzz keeps building about what Clinton said regarding white voters

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/05/buzz-keeps-buil.html

Posted by: freespritedislandgirl | May 8, 2008 3:29 PM

To the inacurate accusations toward Senator Mcain by Amos. Neither Rod Parsley nor John Hagee serves as pastor for John Mcain. It is amusing to watch as you try to justify the relationship between obama and wright by throwing stones at anyone else. Husein for pres, 2008

Posted by: Gene | May 8, 2008 3:28 PM

What's wrong with us working together instead of against one another? Isn't it about time? I'm insulted that Americans are posting such ugly things about African Americans. Is this the 21st century or what?
Posted by: Juanita

Say it, sister!

Posted by: str8talk | May 8, 2008 3:28 PM

It is amazing to me that most of the coments come from journalis,that want to be hero journalist. That have written their own personal observation, which, THANK GOD we are each intitled to our own opnion. Other's are, I assume from regular, everyday citizens like myself, feel that they have read of, talked to there friends and neighbors, or perhaps their own personal circumstance at this time. I will not beat this dead horse any further. I just ask you to search your hearts, ignore all this media barrage. I have only one use for Journalist. That give me factual detalils and leave out your damaging PERSONAL observations, I have a mind of my own, and I do not need them to try to sway me in any particular direction. They are the people that have turned this into a device election. They (journalist) are the ones that have created a RACIAL situation of the entire process. This election is a Mile Stone. Whether it is a Black Man of a White Woman.

Respectfully,
George
Hillary R. Clinton Supporter

Posted by: George | May 8, 2008 3:25 PM

I am an African American woman and I'm so tired of cowards posting their assertion that Black people vote for Black people because they're Black. If that were true, we'd support people like Alan Keyes. Let's also remember that African Americans also supported Bill Clinton, Al Gore and John Kerry in huge numbers. Truth told, I started out as a Hillary supporter and made the switch to Obama a couple of weeks before my state's primary. Hillary lost my vote on her own. I resent the assumption that I'm supporting Obama because his skin resembles mine. For those of you who are clueless, here's some facts: African Americans are not wild horses (the one running in the front goes left, so they all run left). We vote for whites ALL the time. We also send people who look like us to jail all the time (hang out at an urban courtroom and watch African American juries come back with guilty verdicts by the basket-full). We care more about the truth than color of skin. Obama's appeal has to do with his position on the issues and the movement to change politics from the bottom up. What's wrong with us working together instead of against one another? Isn't it about time? I'm insulted that Americans are posting such ugly things about African Americans. Is this the 21st century or what?

Posted by: Juanita | May 8, 2008 3:18 PM

jeremi-Congress authorizes ALL Spending. Bushie just approves it or not.

Last I checked, he wanted a line Item veto to help eliminate "Earmarks" and Pork!

Then, there were no shortage of things needing Federal Funding.

However, as has been shown by the insipid Sub-Prime Bailouts, he has started to Lose it as to the "Value" of Money!

He is acting like a Drunk Sailor on Leave!

Posted by: RAT-The | May 8, 2008 3:18 PM

Quote:
"I refuse to post my opinions on any blog, etc that does not post messages in order received from BEGINNING to END. It's silly to have to scroll to the bottom or even worse to the LAST page to start at the BEGINNING. It's 2008 people, this stuff has been around a long time, get with it."

Gotta go with the masses on this one. Most successful blogs / comment sites put their comments on chronological order, this new format is just not logical.

Posted by: AJ from VA | May 8, 2008 3:18 PM

Posted by: Cheryll | May 8, 2008 3:07 PM

Hey Cheryll,
Don't you say anything about Nancy Pelosi!!! Nancy is a real person and she has convictions.


She didn't sell them all away for lobbyist money like hillary.

Posted by: OBAMA NATION | May 8, 2008 3:18 PM

It's one thing to debate, but what you're doing, JakeD, is attempting to make a counterpoint and coming off like an annoying 3-year old. Obama isn't pushing her out the door, the people have spoken, and those 16M supporters everyone keeps babbling about are probably more like 8 or 6 million right now. She's loosing some of her biggest supporters, and the only reason she isn't gone is because the party higher-ups want a unified front against Bush III... I mean McCain.

Sincerely,
C. Price,
Captain, USAF

Posted by: CPrice | May 8, 2008 3:17 PM

Would like to see Obama as president but I do not think he can win over McCain. We have to nominate the one who can. I will support whoever gets the nomination BUT strongly believe the best solution is a Clinton and Obama ticket. Whites who won't vote for Obama will vote for Clinton and blacks who say they won't vote if Obama loses will vote this ticket. Problem solved.
Posted by: jasonM

Jason, the only reason that Obama will not win over McCain, who is only an extension of Bush, is if America vote against its best interest because we cannot see past skin color/race. Bottom Line!

Posted by: str8talk | May 8, 2008 3:15 PM

Mcain is the man!!!

Posted by: Gene | May 8, 2008 3:15 PM

Quote:
"I refuse to post my opinions on any blog, etc that does not post messages in order received from BEGINNING to END. It's silly to have to scroll to the bottom or even worse to the LAST page to start at the BEGINNING. It's 2008 people, this stuff has been around a long time, get with it."

POST, you took a step backwards with this one............

Posted by: cheryll | May 8, 2008 3:14 PM

Obama receiving strong support from the black community does not imply racism at all. It just shows black people are looking for someone who can actually acknowledge their existence and possible do something for them. Hurricane Katrina showed just how the government cares for black people. There are many people who will not vote for Obama simply because he is black. I have seen a poll that said 26% of people will not vote for a black president, which is sad.

Posted by: AJ from VA | May 8, 2008 3:14 PM

You may have heard of Rev. John Hagee, the McCain supporter who said God created Hurricane Katrina to punish New Orleans for its homosexual "sins." Well now meet Rev. Rod Parsley, the televangelist megachurch pastor from Ohio who hates Islam. According to David Corn of Mother Jones, Parsley has called on Christians to wage war against Islam, which he considers to be a "false religion." In the past, Parsley has also railed against the separation of church and state, homosexuals, and abortion rights, comparing Planned Parenthood to Nazis.

John McCain actively sought and received Parsley's endorsement in the presidential race. McCain has called Parsley "a spiritual guide," and he hasn't said whether he shares Parsley's vicious anti-Islam views. That's because the mainstream media refuses to ask. And so, we've taken matters into our own hands, joining Mother Jones to present the truth about McCain's pastor:

Watch the video: http://bravenewfilms.org/watch/25568244/38133?utm_source=rgemail

Since the media won't question McCain about his deeply bigoted pastor, it's up to you to call attention to this issue. Make McCain's pastor problem a major story by forwarding this video to your family, friends, and colleagues. Digg it! Anything to spread the word.

We can't let McCain get away with aligning himself with a religious leader who's called for an all-out war on Islam, someone who draws no distinctions between Muslims and violent Islamic extremists. Now is the crucial time to act.

Posted by: Amos | May 8, 2008 3:14 PM

AndyfromVA:

If we tried to link everybody to the brief associations and encounters with other people, then we are all guilty of something heinous through other peoples' words and actions. That is not a rational or intelligent approach to judging anyone.

Reverend Wright's life experiences under the Jim Crow laws and as someone who is only a generation or two removed from the era of slavery is very different from the life experiences of you or I or Obama. His bitterness, I think, is understandable right or wrong. I do not agree with him concerning the current issues, and neither does Obama, as he has said time and time again. I agree with Obama for not rushing to judgement on this man, the good he has done in his community far outweighs his animosity-laced comments directed at government that historically, has not been fair to him.

Furthermore, there has been no proof that Sunday after Sunday this man spoke words of this nature. If there were, we would have dozens rather than one sermon of 1040 to go by, but we keep going back to this one sermon. And by all accounts so far, Obama was not in attendance. Unless he turns out to be a confirmed liar, like HRC, I will believe him. Ayers should not even be an issue.

But the bottom line here, AndyfromVA is that you should be honest with yourself about why you can not vote for Obama. Don't use the words and actions of others, as your excuse.


Posted by: naiima8 | May 8, 2008 3:13 PM

JakeD - Couldn't agree more about posting order. New system is crap. BTW, you have my vote, too. Will be interesting to see how Hillary's 29 pt lead in W. Va and 34 pt lead in Kent. hold up. My guess is that as long as she wins she will claim it was a come from behind win.

Posted by: LW | May 8, 2008 3:13 PM

Would like to see Obama as president but I do not think he can win over McCain. We have to nominate the one who can. I will support whoever gets the nomination BUT strongly believe the best solution is a Clinton and Obama ticket. Whites who won't vote for Obama will vote for Clinton and blacks who say they won't vote if Obama loses will vote this ticket. Problem solved.

Posted by: jasonM | May 8, 2008 3:11 PM

Quote:
"I refuse to post my opinions on any blog, etc that does not post messages in order received from BEGINNING to END. It's silly to have to scroll to the bottom or even worse to the LAST page to start at the BEGINNING. It's 2008 people, this stuff has been around a long time, get with it."

This new format is really bad and outdated, come on Post, get with the times.......

Posted by: Grace | May 8, 2008 3:10 PM

Liberal, Conservative... does that mean anything anymore?

All the conservatives bash the "Libby" Dems but as far as I can tell Bush is the most fiscally liberal politician in this countries history! No one has ever spent more.

So I've concluded that if you spend lots and lots of money on killing the people of other countries you're a conservative, but if you propose spending much less money on helping the less fortunate people of this country live a little better (i.e. social services) you're a Commie Liberal...

Clinton balances the budget and he's a Looney Liberal?

Turn off CNN, Faux News and all the spin merchants and learn to think for yourself, don't let the biased media make up your mind.


Posted by: Jeremi | May 8, 2008 3:10 PM

Truthfully, have you seen so much admiration for a politician in your lifetime? I voted for Hillary, but this guy, is different, smart and moves people. Have I sipped the Kool-aid, probablly, but he is the only Candidate both Democratic or Republican, that actually makes sense.

Posted by: latinovoter1 | May 8, 2008 3:09 PM

It seems to me that Obama has played the race card from the beginning:
"Typical white women," Obama doesn;t need their votes.
Posted by: Grace

I have to agree with a poster who said yesterday your posts are scary. You have got to be one the most uninformed persons posting on these boards. Wasn't it Bill Clinton who made race an issue with his coldly calculated speech in S. Carolina? And wasn't it Hilary who to the perception of many blacks, especially those from the civil rights era, appeared to marginalize the legacy of Dr. King?

Posted by: str8talk | May 8, 2008 3:08 PM


Quote:
"I refuse to post my opinions on any blog, etc that does not post messages in order received from BEGINNING to END. It's silly to have to scroll to the bottom or even worse to the LAST page to start at the BEGINNING. It's 2008 people, this stuff has been around a long time, get with it."

I'm with you! It makes no sense, first post shall be first!

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 3:07 PM

Oh, and Nancy Pelosi...SHUT YOU FLAP TRAP!

Posted by: Cheryll | May 8, 2008 3:07 PM

Just because Obama averages 90% of the black vote does not mean these black people are racist. It is only natural that people support others who most resemble themselves. How can most black people even relate to a John McCain? Or the political power of the "elite" Bush family? And like good ol' Rev. Wright said, "Hillary has never been called a N*****." Why would anyone want to support someone who could not relate them? I don't know, it may be hard to understand if you are not a minority.

Posted by: AJ from VA | May 8, 2008 3:06 PM

I have a right to stay in this race !!! It was MINE until some uppity soap salesman made a speech and everyone wet their pants. He should wait his turn. I was supposed to be president.

What is Bill going to do where he can't be in charge of my interns?

Damn you, Obama.

Monica--can you help us out here?

Posted by: hillary | May 8, 2008 3:05 PM

I agree with AndyfromVA when he talks about the republican machine feeding us "fear". I am so tired of hearing . .. be scared, very scared because if you have a Democrat in the White house, Senate or House of Reps . .. you or your family will die . .wake up and turn this tide of fear away and vote Change . .This is what Barack is offering us .. He is offering to change the politics of FEAR.

Posted by: Roger | May 8, 2008 3:05 PM

Why should HIllary tie herself to a sinking ship? Obama will be a Titanic for the DNC. I am sick of the thought of this prejudice, white hating man as a symbol for the Democratic. Not just Wright, but him and his cult camp spew prejudice, race card ethics and inflammatory remarks no REAL American will forget! I will NEVER vote for Obama!!
Hill start you're own party,! I am with you to the end and beyond!! Thank you for everything you have stood for, work your butt off for, because of you ALL the people have benefited!

But Obama would have goood GUY company. You know GUNBOAT KERRY, THE KILL EM KENNEDY'S AND RUSH LIMPBUGER! And the vast a** oh, i mean cast of the DNC. In the spirit of Reverend Wright "GOD DA*M the DECOCRATIC PARTY!!!

Posted by: Cheryll | May 8, 2008 3:04 PM

BILLARY HAS LOST PEOPLE~!!!!!

No one with a brain wants her in office, it is obvious, and OBAMA won already.

SO GET OVER IT, leave her in the dust where she is now, and endorse the best democratic candidate, OBAMA.

Posted by: LEAVE BILLARY ALONE !!! | May 8, 2008 3:03 PM

For those that think Clinton is so honest and forthright, just do a google search and type in, "Hillary Clinton election fraud" and you will see a Youtube video that is extremely well documented. She's as guilty as sin in her Senatorial race and yet the major news media virtually ignores it. Yet, they can find the space to comment on Barack's every little move. Hmmm...I wonder what's with that? And before you get the idea I'm black, think again! I'm white...AND I choose to look at the real issues and let the other go. No person elected will be perfect, but Barack is surely our best chance at hearing the truth!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 8, 2008 3:02 PM

to The FACTS.

Thank you for actually making a great point. Hillary has already lost, as Obama has kicked her tail and will be the DEMOCRATIC RUNNER for 08. Yep, it is all about OBAMA VS McCain (mcbush lol) in 2008.

Posted by: He is right | May 8, 2008 3:01 PM

to The FACTS.

Thank you for actually making a great point. Hillary has already lost, as Obama has kicked her tail and will be the DEMOCRATIC RUNNER for 08. Yep, it is all about OBAMA VS McCain (mcbush lol) in 2008.

Posted by: He is right | May 8, 2008 3:01 PM

Pelosi the consummate politician...lol

Posted by: The Diva | May 8, 2008 3:01 PM

I refuse to post my opinions on any blog, etc that does not post messages in order received from BEGINNING to END. It's silly to have to scroll to the bottom or even worse to the LAST page to start at the BEGINNING. It's 2008 people, this stuff has been around a long time, get with it.

Posted by: D Martin | May 8, 2008 3:00 PM

FACT: BILLARY has already lost.
--She only continues in a lame attempt to garner more recognjition and fame for her own self-serving ends. OBAMA has ALREADY DEFEATED HER. The math is there. No way Hillary can win.

FACT: McCain (McBUSH) will only get the votes by angry, poor, white trash and a few hard righ-wing whackos. Everyone is sick of present-day republican crap and it is time 4 a change.

FACT: Obama is the one who WILLO bring change, and who is NOT the hellbag Hillary (he already showed he can easily defeat her, remember?)

FINALLY:
Keep in mind that Hillar and all conversation about her is MOOT, since she has LOST already. IT is now OBAMA vs McBUSH.

Posted by: THE FACTS... | May 8, 2008 2:59 PM

I am a Hillary Clinton supporter. However, I am very shocked and disappointed that other Clinton supporters say they will stay home or vote for McCain if Clinton is not the nominee. PLEASE VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, WHOEVER IT IS. We must get the Republicans out of office. We cannot afford to continue to ruin our economy, further worsen our international standing, or continue to blow the limbs off our young people in Iraq. As has been said, what part of the 90s didn't you like - the peace, or the prosperity?

Posted by: KKC | May 8, 2008 2:59 PM

Personally my friends and I would like to see a Clinton/Obama ticket. This is the best answer, Obama will lose some of his idealism while learning on the job & can run again in 4 to 8 years. Clinton is a strong leader and what our country needs now. McCain is not even a consideration, he really seems not to be mentally alert. Remember Reagan had begun the slow trek to alzheimers during his first term. To get us out of the quagmire of Iraq we could do worse than Clinton/Obama. Four good minds solving problems with Hillary's Bill and Obama's Michelle - it's a winner!

Posted by: virginia mcmahon | May 8, 2008 2:58 PM

Jay,

Why do people assume they know everything about internet posters?

I do indeed doubt the patriotism of Cheney, as well as everything else about him. He's the worst VP this country's had since Sprio Agnew (look him up in Wikipedia if you're under 40).

You're off base with regard to Hillary's experience at the law firm. Lawyers are in business to represent clients in lawsuits, no matter who they are. It says nothing about their personal loyalties.

Posted by: AndyfromVA | May 8, 2008 2:57 PM

I wish Sen.Obama, soon to be Pres.Obama the very best that can possibly happen for him & his family.
Remain positive & forward thinking & make the necessary changes & decisions that will allow you to go down in history as the best President ever in the United States of Ameriaca.
To All Naysayers: You know damn well that two terms wont be enough time to undo all of the negative, horrid, dire, & appalling things that Pres.Bush has done!!!

Posted by: Pinto of Chicago, SIUC | May 8, 2008 2:57 PM

I dont feel it is right to use the votes for MI anfd FL because Obama was not even on the ballot for MI.

Posted by: freespritedislandgirl | May 8, 2008 2:57 PM

LOL! :-D

Oh
Boy
Another
Manipulable
Audience! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 8, 2008 2:57 PM

If you are an American first, then you should vote your conscious and not party lines. Unfortunately high percent of those who vote for their party as opposed to a candidate tend to vote with baist and not objectively. Mcain is too old and prety much will follow foot steps of current president. Hilary thinks that this is her birth right. Just look at the change in her campaign tactics before IOWA and progressively since then.

Basically she is saying this job is mine and no one else.

With the 3 choices that we have, Senator Obama is certainly the best and this is why;

1- Has stayed above frey
2- Will be a soothing medicine for international community that we have a president who is willing to talk to friends & enemies beforee pulling the trigger.

3- And look how he has energized young & future generation.


Arrogance like this brought previous world power so called " great Britain down".

over the past 30 years that i have been privilaged to vote, always been based on candidate and not party lines and I hope this election will be the case for many more american that they say they love their country.

With all said, Senator Obama is the best medicine for this fragmented nation at this time & point and by electing him, we will truely show the world that we practice what we try to preach to the rest of the world.

Posted by: KD- Austin | May 8, 2008 2:57 PM

And Hillary goes victoriously to finish line! She reminds me of 'Chucky.' Just when you think he's dead, he pops his ugly head back up.

Obama 2008

Posted by: niki | May 8, 2008 2:57 PM

Abit funny how they reacted like that on the house floor and treated Obama like he was some sort of movie star,makes me wonder
about this chrisma and how he changes the vibe/dynamics in room I keep hearing about,I just want to meet him just for that reason,anyone else?....raise your hands don't be shy,lets all go meet and prepare to be swoon =p

Posted by: Shelb | May 8, 2008 2:56 PM

If former Hillary supporters say they will vote for McCain instead of Obama they need to consider being more compassionate to their fellow Americans. Our young veterans will continue to be maimed in body, mind and spirit--their suicide rates continuing to rise. Our young women may find it more and more difficult to end an unwanted accidental pregnancy which would change the course of their lives. The rest of us will be riding out the worst recession in modern history with McCain who admits finance and economics are not his strong points. This would be a cruel
and childish prank to play on your fellow
Americans and yes, you could say it would
also be unpatriotic.

Posted by: Lioness | May 8, 2008 2:55 PM

HILLARY has powers. DARK, SINISTER powers!

But OBAMA has all but WON!!!!

OBAMA KICKS BUTT.

Posted by: HRC and HRG | May 8, 2008 2:55 PM

I wish that people would do their own research and form their own opinions rather than parroting the nonsense they hear through the major media outlets. Anyone who has read Senator Obama's positions on his campaign website would know better than to call his message "smoke and mirrors" -- he has as solid a plan (or, in terms of integrity and reality, perhaps MORE solid a plan) as Senators McCain or Clinton.

Just because you don't agree with his positions doesn't mean he hasn't got any.

Educate yourself and vote for the person who serves your personal interests best, whoever that is -- don't allow yourself to told what to think by a bunch of media hysterics who live and die by the ratings they whip up by obsessing over trivia.

VOTE INTELLIGENTLY.

Posted by: Sara | May 8, 2008 2:55 PM

I too don't understand how anyone who is a true democrat can say they will support either Hillary or Obama and when they do not get the candidate of their choosing become a republican? Beyond me? After what Bush has done to this Country we have had enough of dynasty families being in the White House. I will vote Democrat all the way because that is more important.

The logic isn't there?? Sounds completely irrational and selfish to me. I believe we're still in a democratic primary - not a two party run-off, and we're deciding nationally which candidate is better suited to run the country.

A vote For Clinton should not be a vote Against Obama or vice versa!

For me, you need to examine your political staunch and your views if you're ready to throw out all your political "beliefs" that you're fighting so hard for because your candidate doesn't win - and then turn around and vote for someone who represents the exact opposite..??? Really doesn't make much sense to me in the end????

Obama '08

Posted by: lynnb8765 | May 8, 2008 2:55 PM

The White Racist working class bums are lost, as usual. These 'Clintonians' will believe anything that you feed them. They are pablum-pukers and HRC knows that. She will stop at nothing and her gamble has finnaly cast her in revealing light. Hillary is an attention-monger, and the Clintonians have all but dismantled the DEMOCRATS now, ensuring a McCain win. OBAMA is the only one untouched by the PABLUM PUKERS.

OBAMA 08, disagree and weep your loss!!!

Posted by: Spies Like Me | May 8, 2008 2:53 PM

Why are you'll so angry at the fact that Obama is leading the nomination for President. I pray for you'll. It is time to put racism, fascism, and all the other ism's aside and DO THE RIGHT THING. FOR OUT OF THE ABUNDANCE OF THE HEART THE MOUTH SPEAKS and all I read is hate mail. Ask the LORD to forgive you. Have any one given any thought to this fact, that GOD is in control and if its his will for OBAMA to be our next President then we need to support him and stop this foolish babbling. GET A JOB ADN DO SOMETHING CONSTRUTIVE. Help tutor a child that is struggling to read, help a single mother or an elderly person cross the street!

Posted by: PAT | May 8, 2008 2:53 PM

its amazing how non informed so many americans are. do we really want another 4 years of mcbush. wake up america, and vote for hillary.. Unless you want to see our free country continue in a downward spirl

Posted by: tx | May 8, 2008 2:53 PM

Vote for Obama. He is the best candidate.
Al Quieda.

Posted by: Bon | May 8, 2008 2:52 PM

Though I concur with many elements of the foregoing comments, I really don't feel competent to advise
Senator Obama. I see him as a fairly youthful, but experienced politician, having had, I think, 8 years in
the Illinois State legislator, prior to his election to the Senate. I consider his local and State political experiences to be extremely valuable, in addition to his neihborhood organizing work in Chicago and
previous life experiences. In a generalized sense, I believe he understands local and regional situations/circumstances, as well as those at the national and international level, and recognizes some of the interconnectedness of same. I think he truely listens to others and emphasizes the need
for increased communications and understandings; a " bottom up" process, not a top-down ' I've got all the answers process.' The big question for me is not " is he ready," but rather how many of us are ready and willing to take a chance on him, assuming, as I am, we're taking a chance on whomever we
elect. Needless to say, perhaps, I'm ready to vote for him again!


B - BUOYANT
A - ADROIT
R - REALISTIC
A - AMIABLE
C - COURAGEOUS
K - KNOWLEDGEABLE

>

O - OPTIMISTIC
B - BRAINY
A - ALLURING
M - MAGNETIC
A - ABLE



Posted by: Anonymous | May 8, 2008 2:51 PM


Has anyone else heard...

Hillary has appointed BAGHDAD BOB to be her communications director.

BB: "We defeated them yesterday. God willing, I will provide you with more information. I swear by God, I swear by God, those who are staying in Washington and London have thrown these mercenaries in a crematorium."

Posted by: BeerBubba | May 8, 2008 2:50 PM

To the person who wrote about Obama's heritage, obviously does not know that his mother was a White woman from Kansas. So if you want to talk about his heritage, please be aware that he (Obama) was raised by his White grandparents. Get the facts before you speak.

Posted by: irmadf9 | May 8, 2008 2:50 PM

It's a CONSPIRACY. Think about it, maaaan. The plastic caps on the ends of shoelaces are called aglets, and their true purpose is sinister...And is it ANY secret that the words HILLARY CLINTON mixed around spell 'IN HALY CHILL'? Im telling you, Hillary Clinton is a Succubus summoned by illuminati Mystics. Those SAME mystics that forged the magic bullet!

HILLARY IS THE FALSE MESSIAH!!!! CAST HER DOWN !!!!

DOWWWWWWNNNNNN!!!!!

Posted by: The Question | May 8, 2008 2:50 PM

I'd vote for JakeD

Posted by: Anonymous | May 8, 2008 2:50 PM

The bottom line to all this is that black voters will vote for a black no matter who he is. If Osama Bin Laden were black he could win the black vote in America.
Posted by: Earl

At least they didn't vote for Bush!

Posted by: str8talk | May 8, 2008 2:50 PM

this is in responce to andy from VA and those who agree with him. One would be more sympathetic to your concerns if they were at least consistent. no doubts cheney's patriotism after 5 deferrments and doing business with sadam in the in the 90's. Or Hillary's involvement in a communist leaning law firm defending black panthers in the 70's. Better to be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

Posted by: jay | May 8, 2008 2:49 PM

Stu W
Obama has a chance at greatness - as does every politician. But he's not going to achieve it by constantly shifting and evading.

You're wrong to focus on the Vietnam generation - that's ancient history. The problem is the post 9/11 generation. Bush and the Repugs have held on to power by pushing the idea that we have to constantly live in fear - and in the process lose our Constitutional rights. An idea based on xenophobia.

Vietnam was started with the intention of helping South Vietnam by fighting the Communist enemy. The post 9/11 Repug policy is based solely on the idea of protecting the US.

Posted by: AndyfromVA | May 8, 2008 2:49 PM


It seems to me that Obama has played the race card from the beginning:

"Typical white women," Obama doesn;t need their votes.

Posted by: Grace | May 8, 2008 2:49 PM

at first I also thought if hillary doesn't win the nomination than I'll vote for McCain, then I came to my senses. We need new blood in the white house, time for Hillary to step aside and endorse Obama, it was a great run Hillary but the writings on the wall.
p.s. I won't be contributing anymore to the Hillary campaign my moneys on Obama come what may!

Posted by: gerry | May 8, 2008 2:49 PM

Hillary is an awesome saleswoman. She is promising everything to everyone: playing the race card to whites, playing "I'm rich" while on Fox, playing "Dodge the sniper" in Bosnia, playing Annie Oakley to the rednecks, playing "experience" when she has none - people are suckers because eventually she hits on a point and then it is up to you to get emotional and knuckle under to follow in her beliefs or stay logical and above that nonsense. Obama will use his wit, charisma, and intelligence to lead this country in the right direction away from idiotic military and foreign relations disasters.

Posted by: Dave | May 8, 2008 2:49 PM

Thanks, Anonymous at 2:43 PM -- I enjoy reading what you have to say as well : )

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 2:49 PM

Ah, the power of suggestion, Henry. What kind of play do you expect such a vacuous comparison will receive?

May I suggest that next time your bring something constructive to the conversation, or would that be asking too much?

Posted by: ConfuciUS | May 8, 2008 2:48 PM

Bison-LOL! :-D

Try: Miller/ Coulter ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 8, 2008 2:48 PM

obama is a racist . Yes, I did leave The letter O in oboma lower case because he's
a bottom feeder.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 8, 2008 2:47 PM

Earl - are you really that ignorant? WTF?

Posted by: jsb | May 8, 2008 2:47 PM

I'm an independent. When you say "real Democrats" what you mean are "liberals".

Your own independence is fine, and admirable, but did it ever occur to you that there are plenty of us out here who consider ourselves liberals, are extremely proud to be liberal, and would welcome the chance to live in a much more liberal American society?

Most of us liberals are Democrats because we have no other place to go right now. Liberal and centrist Republicans have been cowed into submission by their party for years. Truly liberal parties like the Green Party have been ignored by media -- maybe this kind of movement will take off in the future and maybe it won't, but for now we don't have anything workable from that quarter. The Democratic leadership has been happy to turn into Bush Lite in the last few years, and we don't have any completely progressive thinkers like Dennis Kucinich still in the 2008 race. But Obama -- by no means a leftist -- is still openly more progressive than McCain, which we've been hard put to say about Clinton recently.

Seriously, most of us would vote for either Obama or Clinton, no matter which is nominated -- as we would have voted for John Edwards if he had been the Democratic nominee. But please stop characterizing us as sheep. For all practical purposes, we each get only two choices in November. What kind of choice is the Republican Party making attractive to the LARGE number of us liberals in the United States?

Posted by: Julie Stahlhut | May 8, 2008 2:46 PM

You may have heard of Rev. John Hagee, the McCain supporter who said God created Hurricane Katrina to punish New Orleans for its homosexual "sins." Well now meet Rev. Rod Parsley, the televangelist megachurch pastor from Ohio who hates Islam. According to David Corn of Mother Jones, Parsley has called on Christians to wage war against Islam, which he considers to be a "false religion." In the past, Parsley has also railed against the separation of church and state, homosexuals, and abortion rights, comparing Planned Parenthood to Nazis.

John McCain actively sought and received Parsley's endorsement in the presidential race. McCain has called Parsley "a spiritual guide," and he hasn't said whether he shares Parsley's vicious anti-Islam views. That's because the mainstream media refuses to ask. And so, we've taken matters into our own hands, joining Mother Jones to present the truth about McCain's pastor:

Watch the video: http://bravenewfilms.org/watch/25568244/38133?utm_source=rgemail

Since the media won't question McCain about his deeply bigoted pastor, it's up to you to call attention to this issue. Make McCain's pastor problem a major story by forwarding this video to your family, friends, and colleagues. Digg it! Anything to spread the word.

We can't let McCain get away with aligning himself with a religious leader who's called for an all-out war on Islam, someone who draws no distinctions between Muslims and violent Islamic extremists. Now is the crucial time to act.

Posted by: marymarshall | May 8, 2008 2:46 PM

McCain = Draft, pure and simple.

Google draft laws and see if your child, brother, sister......will be affected!!!

Posted by: Pam | May 8, 2008 2:45 PM

Why wouldn't black people support Barack? Hasn't anyone ever heard of pride? I am Native American and when Ben Nighthorse Campbell was elected to the Senate I was so proud to finally see one of our own make it into this elite group. Why is it that some white people think that they are a superior race? I am proud to be Native American and I support Barack Obama.

Posted by: Roger | May 8, 2008 2:44 PM

Sad to hear that some Democrats are feeling bitter, resentful, etc. that their preferred candidate was passed over by the majority, and sadder still that some of those will jump ship or stay home. If you are a Clinton supporter and you vote for McCain over Obama, I hope that you do so for the right reason: you truly believe in and support what he stands for.

I hope you will be as tenacious a supporter of McCain and his values and policies as you were for Clinton, and I wish you and your new candidate luck.

To everyone else still on board: very confident in Obama this year. Even with constant attacks / negativity aimed at Obama, McCain has been unable to pull away in the polls. Now that Obama is refocusing his gaze on the general election, I expect to see a slow climb in the polls for him and a slow decline for McCain.

Posted by: DCA | May 8, 2008 2:44 PM

she's going to buy her way in watch and see people. This fla and michigan thing really ticks me off---let the fla and michigan people vote OUT the idiots that changed their primary. Now is NOT the time to change the rules. You can bet she (Clinton) would not be fighting so hard for them if she had not won their votes.

Posted by: dakkie | May 8, 2008 2:44 PM


Now that Hillary is beat for 08

can we discuss removing the carpetbagger from NY?

Can someone figure out where she's actually from and call them to send the folks in white coats to pick her up and take her home?

Just a thought.

Posted by: BeerBubba | May 8, 2008 2:44 PM

I like reading what JakeD has to say

Posted by: Anonymous | May 8, 2008 2:43 PM

JakeD you are pathetic!

Posted by: Niall | May 8, 2008 2:42 PM

I find Frank US has written exactly the sentiments of citizens of this country. Unfortunately, to many of us, the loyalty to political party is more important than the nation of which we are citizens of.

Its ironic for a nation that can be called the cradle of 20th century civilization.

Posted by: Bothered Citizen | May 8, 2008 2:41 PM

I really enjoy reading the ugly comments from the scared trolls.

FYI, no matter what you say, no matter what you do CHANGE is coming.

You trolls really want to wet yourselves? Try this on for size:
Obama / Feingold 2008

Posted by: Bison | May 8, 2008 2:40 PM

I find it rather ironic.. if you look at the numbers.. that this race is about race. Obama is getting 90% of the black vote. That obviously demonstrates the mentality of "we will vote for you because you are black" and not because of any substance on real issues. What else does he have but condemnation of the current administration (easy button, anyone?) coupled with a clone of any Clinton idea and spin it as his own.

The facts are clear: Obamamania has swept up the leftist day-dreamers and racist black American crowd. Obama has zero experience needed to run this country. All he has is charismatic speach stumping and spin.

Check the resume:

Obama: 7yrs state level senate. 2 years federal level. 0 military experience. Graduate of Harvard law. Can trace his family heritage back to highly questionable non/anti-American beginnings (Muslim/Aethistic) and ties to anti-American/Racist pastor/church. Ultimately questionable if he's one of us. By the way, how much experience has he had on any committees of merit in Washington?

McCain: 4yrs state level house of representatives. Has been at the federal level since 1986. Graduate of a prestigious US Military academy. Can trace his family heritage back two generations and point to two top US Admirals and patriots and say, "yeah, I'm VERY much one of us." If that's not enough, was a POW and is a war hero. Member of multiple comities in Washington. Leadership... you better not count that out in an election.

Does America want racism in the White House.. or do we want a President who can and will do his job?

Posted by: Byron | May 8, 2008 2:40 PM

Hillary knew Florida and Michigan didn't count. She actually say's it in a radio interview.
I am going to find that audio and send it to the DNC. We voters know she is a liar.

Posted by: NO GO for hill liar | May 8, 2008 2:40 PM

If all Hillary cares about is making sure MI and FL get seated, why does she not take the 98/59 deal???

Ohhhhh, that is right, she does not play fair even when the advantage is her.

It all Hillary, she does not give a darn about the people. I was here in Iowa and heard her say how MI did not matter one bit!!

Posted by: Pam | May 8, 2008 2:39 PM

Thankfully, the end of this struggle is in sight. Hillary will hopefully return to the good work and coalition-building she has accomplished in the Senate over the past several years.

All of you who fear Obama's liberalism will find that he will be far more moderate, as he will be constrained by the mess he will be inheriting. It may take a decade to fix the damages.

One of the principal reasons that we should vote for Senator Obama in the November election will be to begin to cleanse our hands of the Vietnam war generation....and its battles that have caused such political deadlock and mean-spiritedness.

Not saying it will happen, but Mr. Obama has a chance at greatness... I for one will vote to give him that opportunity.

Posted by: Stu W | May 8, 2008 2:39 PM

The contest for the Democratic nominee is just that: a CONTEST. Someone wins, someone loses. That's how life works. Life doesn't always give you what you want; not everybody running for election can always win. It's a friggin' CONNNNNTESSSST.

Hillary doesn't play by the rules. If she can't win fair and square, she'll find a way to cheat. Clintonian to a tee. Obviously she never played sports.

Posted by: billy | May 8, 2008 2:39 PM

As a white, male West-Virginian, Clinton will win WV! Alright! Then we can have Laura Bush's experience in 2012, women will submit to men because any success will come through us, and Osama Bin Laden will live because Clinton is "horrified" at Obama's comments that he would kill Bin Laden with a missile even if he couldnt get Pakistani authority. Oh and lets not forget all the lobbyists and special interests that funded her campaign and will have a say if Clinton wins - this multi-millionaire is SUCH a rep of the middle class. I can't wait!

Posted by: john white | May 8, 2008 2:38 PM

Dem's are by nature divided, because its a self centered ideology. The only thing they are united in is their hatred for Republicans and anyone else who wants to stop them from voting themselves some cash.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 8, 2008 2:38 PM

Thanks, arthurW from Virginia : )

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 2:38 PM

Hey Pam -

Children and grandchildren won't have to go to war. If a President believes he/she can reason with madmen he/she is going to invite our enemies to our doorstep. Then you'll really see bitterness and guns.

Posted by: JJ | May 8, 2008 2:37 PM

OMG! McCain is a psyco! He was reps bottom rung for the past 12 years. Who's scraping the barrel now. I used to be regitered Rep. but... I'm not so narrowmined as my parents were. Oh and I don't hate people or want to live in a an over priced prison. Obama Rocks!

Posted by: Captain Normal | May 8, 2008 2:37 PM

Our comments are sound and fury signifying nothing.

It's only the winner walking into the Forum and everyone gathering to kiss the ring for future favor. McCain did it after he clinched and if Hillary were not the loser she would be doing the same thing.

Obama may not have clinched, but this late in the game after NC and IN, there is no catching up even with a best case MI/FL scenario for Hillary. Even so, to be certain of locking this, it's time for him to wrap up the supers with today's visit, wind down the final 6 and move on to McCain.

Posted by: thinkresults | May 8, 2008 2:37 PM

Obama is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. He hasn't come out with anything meaningful as far as a platform, other than quit in Iraq and go home. How does he plan to solve the energy crisis. We are locked into oil from OPEC because Bill Clinton and the Dem. Congress won't let us build refineries or drill for our own oil reserves. When oil hits $200/gal. Obama will blame Bush. What a crock. Let's hear something meaningful from him other than cut and run.

Posted by: osc in oregon | May 8, 2008 2:37 PM

Which block is more important to the Democrats in the general; the Reagan democrats supporting Hillary or the new voters, the young voters, the African American voters and the independent voters supporting Obama? Do we really believe white, economically downscale men are going to vote for Hillary in the general election?! If the Democrats take the nomination away from Obama after he has won under all the rules established at the BEGINNING of this primary race, which group is going to be more bitter? Look at what happened to Mondale! Although Gary Hart worked hard to elect Mondale his, mostly young and upscale, supporters didn't show up and we got 4 more years of Reagan. If Hillary wins fairly, that is by the rules they all agreed to before the Iowa caucus, then Obama supporters are far more likely to come around. But if they feel cheated, the betrayal wounds won't heal for another generation and we won't just have 4 more years of Republicans, we'll have another 20!

Posted by: mstroock | May 8, 2008 2:37 PM

THAT EVIL TROLL JAMES CARVILLE SAID OBAMA DIDN'T HAVE CAJONES..


OBAMA HAS MORE THAN ENOUGH... HE FACED HIS ENEMIES, FRIENDS AND UNDECIDED FACE FIRST..


I LOVE THIS GUY... HE IS MY KIND OF LEADER.. THE MAN ISN'T SNEAKING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS LIKE HILLARY... HE IS STRAIGHT IN YOUR FACE...


OBAMA NATION 08

Posted by: OBAMA NATION | May 8, 2008 2:36 PM

Why does everyone hate JakeD?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 8, 2008 2:36 PM

Thanks, BeerBubba ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 2:36 PM

Finally, a real chance for a different (as good as we can get) type of leader. I for one embrace this change, and hope that Sen. Obama does well. Now that Hillary is out of the way, we should see a good debate in the coming months.

I see and hear where McCain is coming from, and might as well cut and paste the good ol boy bush in his place..no different.

We have a chance to see how Obama will do, and given Hillary's past (save for her valiant attempts for universal health care)I am glad she is losing ground.

The America of old is going fast, and I submit we need new blood, as the rest of the world will NOT do us the favor or give us the quarter we have given to other countries if we continue down the path we have made.

Regards- Lifelong republican who finally opened his eyes.

Posted by: 2600Techie | May 8, 2008 2:36 PM


AndyFromVA -- you just ain't gonna vote McBush if you share HRCs values. Just not gonna happen.

There's plenty of info out there about Obama. He's not Jesus, but he's also not the devil.

The whole Wright thing is BS. If folks left churches the first time something irrational got said, churches would be empty.

Do a little research.

Posted by: BeerBubba | May 8, 2008 2:36 PM

For John/May 8,2008 2:12pm post.

Senator Obama is for change and hope for the American people. Why would he want to take a step back choosing Senator Clinton as his running mate.We need to go in a different direction and he will be the one to take us there.
Senator Clinton is fighting a lost battle now and wasting doner funds that could be used elsewere to help the American People.It's time to say thank you for the support and bow out gracefully.

Posted by: Don | May 8, 2008 2:35 PM

I don't see the the problem.

A.B.B... ANYBODY but Bush!

All the candidates have problems, none of them insurmountable for 4 years maybe 8. This I can live with.

Best election prospects in 50 years!

Posted by: Tortolitas | May 8, 2008 2:35 PM

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 2:34 PM

The way Hillary has run her campaign shows she lacks leadership quality: she lied; she spread rumors, she intimidated; she told story about her bravery, which did not happen; she is a truck with no reverse gears. She is not tough; she is just absolutely selfish! After her busband's unly sex offenses in his office, do you believe this family deserve another presidential candidate?

No way!

She knows more about Monica Lewinsky than good economy! More Jennifer Flowers than medical care, which she cares less!

Posted by: Al paul | May 8, 2008 2:34 PM

To all you Dems out there on either side, no matter how this ends.....go ahead and stay home or vote for McCain.

But when you do keep this in mind:

Kiss your children or grandchildren goodbye cause they are going to war.

And women, kiss your rights good-bye!

Posted by: pam | May 8, 2008 2:34 PM

Hey Sally -

If Obama does happen to become President, get use to repeating these words...

"But I have nothing left of my paycheck to pay more taxes...you've taken it all"

Posted by: JP | May 8, 2008 2:33 PM

You may have heard of Rev. John Hagee, the McCain supporter who said God created Hurricane Katrina to punish New Orleans for its homosexual "sins." Well now meet Rev. Rod Parsley, the televangelist megachurch pastor from Ohio who hates Islam. According to David Corn of Mother Jones, Parsley has called on Christians to wage war against Islam, which he considers to be a "false religion." In the past, Parsley has also railed against the separation of church and state, homosexuals, and abortion rights, comparing Planned Parenthood to Nazis.

John McCain actively sought and received Parsley's endorsement in the presidential race. McCain has called Parsley "a spiritual guide," and he hasn't said whether he shares Parsley's vicious anti-Islam views. That's because the mainstream media refuses to ask. And so, we've taken matters into our own hands, joining Mother Jones to present the truth about McCain's pastor:

Watch the video: http://bravenewfilms.org/watch/25568244/38133?utm_source=rgemail

Since the media won't question McCain about his deeply bigoted pastor, it's up to you to call attention to this issue. Make McCain's pastor problem a major story by forwarding this video to your family, friends, and colleagues. Digg it! Anything to spread the word.

We can't let McCain get away with aligning himself with a religious leader who's called for an all-out war on Islam, someone who draws no distinctions between Muslims and violent Islamic extremists. Now is the crucial time to act.

Posted by: marymarshall | May 8, 2008 2:33 PM

Are human beings so stupid that they do not see the writing on the wall?
How can one vote for persons who profess war and want to annhilate the countries, which are threatened with dire consequences unless they kneel and obey, unless they sell their natural resources cheap while get medicines at ten times the costs?
Can USA citizens wake up and vote reponsibly so rest of the world can live in peace?
None but ourselves can save our soul.

Posted by: GKB | May 8, 2008 2:33 PM

If the Democrats had fielded a worthy candidate for this election they would have run away with it, the way it is we'll only be getting the better of to sorry politicians.

Posted by: MRH | May 8, 2008 2:33 PM

I have many friends who want to see Hillary be the nominee. What bother me most is that some of them have race as an issue even though Obama is half white and half black. In the end for many people, looks matter the most.

Posted by: Neutralizer | May 8, 2008 2:33 PM

I'm a registered Republican, but I've made up my mind. I'm voting for Obama in November.

Posted by: David | May 8, 2008 2:32 PM

McCain is a war hero, Obimbo is close to a zero. The Dems (dims) think there gonna win, but really they're just losing it again! GO McCain!!!

Posted by: philagumbo | May 8, 2008 2:32 PM

To those of you that think that voting for Nader or McCain would be the thing to do if your democratic candidate is not selected think again. If you value a free country with an independent Judiciary You best vote for a candidate that refects individual freedom or you will most likely loose yours. The unntented consequences of your emotional anger at having your candidate loose are grave.

Posted by: luc | May 8, 2008 2:31 PM

The minute registration comes on, I'll be taking the name "JakeD".

No way your fat retired ass is surfing the net 24/7. You can't beat me. I'll make you cry like a little girl, Jake.

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 2:31 PM

Excuse me, Fred Evil, can you name one time in American political history when there has never been "the politics of division"?

Posted by: JP | May 8, 2008 2:31 PM

Frank:

Why do you think I hate the U.S. Constitution? I am registered Independent BTW. O for 2 so far.

Go ahead and try to strike out: Test my understanding of the U.S. Constitution ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 2:31 PM

What was "Senator" Jack Murtha doing in the House Chamber? Is he any relation to Representative Jack Murtha, from PA-12?

Why does this woman still have a job as a journalist?

Posted by: Paul | May 8, 2008 2:30 PM

BARF BARF BARF !!!!!!!! WHAT SYCOPHANTS POLITICIANS ARE. THEY MAKE ME SICK., BUT HILLARY MAKES ME SICKER THAN ANY OF THEM.

I WISH ANIMALS WOULD EAT THEM.

ASK YOURSELF--------WHAT HAVE THEY DONE FOR THIC COUNTRY BUT F....IT UP MORE ?

Posted by: jimmyv | May 8, 2008 2:30 PM

I don't understand this perception of pushing Hillary out the door. Making arguements of why someone should drop out is NOT pushing someone out the door. To borrow from an earlier article this morning, there is a difference between someones right to run and whether it is the 'right' thing to do for the party and it is Hillary's supporters who are being heavy handed in trying to supress this valid discussion.

ps, Jake has a right to his acerbic comments, just like everyone else including folks who fling around messiah sentences from the mount.

Posted by: arthurW from Virginia | May 8, 2008 2:30 PM

Hey, all you racists with nothing productive to do but post here: PRESIDENT OBAMA. Get used to those words :) Buh-bye, Billary! :)

Posted by: Sally | May 8, 2008 2:30 PM


At least JakeD has a sense of humor.

Posted by: BeerBubba | May 8, 2008 2:29 PM

Sam:

A Hillary run as an independent candidate would be the one way to ensure a McCain victory. The only reason McCain is doing well in the polls is because the Dems are still relatively divided. As soon as a candidate is declared, it's over for him. But splitting the Democratic vote in November would hand him the presidency.

Posted by: Anthony | May 8, 2008 2:29 PM

Please, REAL Democrats, do not be deceived by people like BPJ and Greenfun. These are wolfs in sheep's clothing, or realistically speaking, Republicans in Democrat clothing. They are racist, closed minded people attempting through whatever means they possess to block a black man from reaching the White House, even if that man is a GODSENT to America. Hillary's cool, but democrats will unite behind the winner. In the end, there's no options left unless americans really are massochistic!

Posted by: lanti | May 8, 2008 2:29 PM

Funny how these trolls never make mention of seeking and receiving the endorsement of "Reverends" Parsely and Hagee. I'll assume that nobody is going to attribute their twisted ideologies to McCain because he's ummmm..... "an American Hero" (ahem, white)?

Posted by: Da Truth | May 8, 2008 2:29 PM

wait, sorry AndyfromVA, it was meant for the person that posted before you. My mistake. Though apparently that previouse post was deleted.

Posted by: Steve | May 8, 2008 2:29 PM

Are human beings so stupid that they do not see the wirting on the wall? How can one vote for persons who profess war and want to annhilate the countries, which are threatened with dire consequences unless they kneel and obey, unless they sell their natural resources cheap while get mdeicnes at ten times the costs?

Posted by: GKB | May 8, 2008 2:29 PM

MC,
They were supposed to be leading questions (yes or no answer).

Jane,
I don't want a President who believes that America as a nation is essentially the KKK. That's a racist attitude or one that's simply nuts.

BeerBubba,
You don't know me - I've never voted Repug and I won't this time. But I will not press the Obama button until I get satisfactory answers to my questions. Obama can weasel all he wants but he's going to lose the election unless he comes clean.

Posted by: AndyfromVA | May 8, 2008 2:29 PM

AndyfromVA

To paraphrase "Jeopardy", make sure your two questions are in the form of a question.

I don't think there's anything more that Obama can say to persuade people that he does not share the views of Wright and Ayres which you've described. If you don't believe Obama by now, there's nothing which will convince you differently, so you should definitely vote for someone else. Because there's nothing else which Obama will say that you can believe.

I think politics is the art of getting things done. If you want purity like the driven snow, you aren't going to find it. I think Obama as President is the best qualified and in a unique position to accomplish those things which you and I, as lifelong Democrats, want to see happen.

Posted by: SatoEsq | May 8, 2008 2:28 PM

AndyfromVA and JakeD why do you hate the US Constitution so much? Neither of you are loyal Democrats, and I question wether someone with as little understanding of the US constitution as you, can even claim to be a loyal American.

Loyal Americans support the Constitution and know that the President is sworn to uphold it. I think your only souless mission is continue to promote hatred, bigotry and ignorance.

Do John McCain or conservative republicans respect the moral foundation of this country? The U.S. Constitution was actually designed, among other things, to protect the people of America from misguided government.

U.S. Constitution: Amendment I - Freedom of Religion
Right now, for the first time ever, your tax dollars are funding religious groups you may not agree with. To add insult to injury, conservative judges have ruled that taxpayers do not have a right to challenge this expenditure.

Amendment IV - Search and seizure
Under the guise of court action against abortion, Conservative republicans had John Ashcroft subpoena all the medical records of literally thousands of women just like you and members of your family. Conservative republicans are invading your privacy every day. Unfortunately for all of us, they don't appear to care about our U.S. constitution, or by extension, the people of our great country.

Amendment X - Powers of the States and People
John McCain and conservative republicans have tried consistently to overturn States Laws. They used your tax dollars to destroy the will of the people of Oregon, and the famous "Death with Dignity" law; they lost, but undoubtedly will try again. Conservative republicans and John McCain do not respect States Rights.

Amendment VIII - Cruel and Unusual punishment
Would you rather die, or support a government which supported and sanctioned torture? The founding fathers would rather have died, and in fact they were proud to fight and die for our government: A government which specifically outlaws cruel and unusual punishment for very important reasons.

John McCain and the conservative republicans are destroying the moral foundations of our country. I urge you to keep this in mind in the coming election as we rebuild our nation together by voting Democrat.

Posted by: Frank US | May 8, 2008 2:27 PM

Interesting how the Post edited the headline from "Obamamania" to just "Obama" -- to try and hide the bias -- could this newspaper be anymore in the tank for him?

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 2:27 PM

At some point of time, perseverance turns into arrogance or what I call 'blinders syndrome'. Its a very bush-like quality, he sees what is going on in Iraq but refuses to acknowledge or lead any change in strategy. Such people continue to ignore facts and instead go with the stated goal whatever be the fallout. Hope she sees the light and is able to rescue herself before she damages her reputation completely.

Posted by: AR | May 8, 2008 2:27 PM

Clinton or no vote from me. Obama raises a lot more questions then he provides answers. Speeches are great, but experience matters.

Posted by: Clinton Supporter | May 8, 2008 2:26 PM

Write in vote for Hillary!!!

Posted by: phil | May 8, 2008 2:26 PM

Hey, I may be in my golden years but I don't let it slow me down.
I'm here all day with the shades down. One browser window open to WaPo and another open to BigBlackBears.net

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 2:26 PM

AndyfromVa....its people like you that are screwing up America. You come up with these bizarre conspiracy like theories and try to pass them off as "facts". If this country was really as bad as you people like to believe you would have been thrown in jail long ago. Get a life and if you don't like it, move out. Fewer idiots to worry about.

Posted by: Steve | May 8, 2008 2:25 PM

And anger and disgust are an excellent and noble basis for making such an important decision regarding the future of the country, Bison. Only fools try to act based on reason and analysis. I heard several Democrats over the past year proclaim that Mickey Mouse could beat a Republican after 8 years of this president, as though a frothing-at-the-mouth backlash reactionary vote is a shining example of democracy instead of an embarassing reminder that the right to vote does not carry any intelligence requirements.

I'm an independent. When you say "real Democrats" what you mean are "liberals". Unlike Hillary, I like Obama.. I think he comes across as an honest and idealistic man whose heart is in the right place, even if his policies and viewpoints are often reactionary and naive. But no matter how many times you post comments to the contrary... Obama is a staunch liberal, not an independent, and far less so than McCain (as most conservatives will angrily remind you).

Your Real Democrats (sheep) will vote party lines, just like the sheep of a different wool on the other side of the aisle, but the other 40% of the population is still making up their own minds.

Posted by: Kevin | May 8, 2008 2:25 PM

To the poster who earlier stated that in order to preserve morality you should support Obama...oh pleeaase, that is the complete antithisis of the truth, the libbies have been chipping away at the moral foundation upon which our fine country was founded for years. I personally find it ridiculous that you democrats are struggling to decide which one of these two unelectable candidates to support.

Posted by: Backlash | May 8, 2008 2:25 PM

To the poster who earlier stated that in order to preserve morality you should support Obama...oh pleeaase, that is the complete antithisis of the truth, the libbies have been chipping away at the moral foundation upon which our fine country was founded for years. I personally find it ridiculous that you democrats are struggling to decide which one of these two unelectable candidates to support.

Posted by: Backlash | May 8, 2008 2:25 PM

I wonder if JakeD's head will explode when Hillary finally does end her campaign.

Posted by: Franklin | May 8, 2008 2:24 PM

I want to vote for Hillary, but she bashes Obama too much. Doe she thinks that looks good? She acted like a lady until recently, now she acts like a frighten person who is about to pushed off a high cliff.

Posted by: Lolly | May 8, 2008 2:24 PM

I dont understand how any one who supports Hilary or Obama can actually call themselves democrats and then turn around and say they will vote for McCain instead of Obama... Sounds completely irrational and stubborn to me. The ideologies are completely different and it seems like a stubborn move! Am I the only one?

Also, remember.. I believe we're still on the same side here. This is a democratic primary - not a two party run-off. We're just deciding on which candidate is better suited. A vote For Clinton should not be a vote Against Obama or vice versa! If you're ready to throw out all your political "beliefs" that you're fighting so hard for because your candidate doesn't win - and then turn around and vote for someone who represents the exact opposite..i dont even know what to say to you except that you need to re-examine your "staunch" democratic political stance. Oh, and Obama '08.

Posted by: marc | May 8, 2008 2:24 PM

Barack Obama for President of the UNITED States of America.

Posted by: PulSamsara | May 8, 2008 2:23 PM

Black Republican candidates generally cannot depend on the black vote. Consider the loss of Keith Butler in Michigan or Lynn Swann in Pennsylvania.

Posted by: Henry | May 8, 2008 2:23 PM

Who cares? It is all over now. McCain if you ever get really really bored, and read this article... You Got My Vote! Thank heavens Hillary's days are ending!

Posted by: A.P. | May 8, 2008 2:23 PM

This is one white guy who has seen a fair number of presidents. Some good, some bad. Bush stands alone as the worst imaginable. Sen. Obama gets my vote and my contributions: $25 every payday.

Posted by: ericmiami | May 8, 2008 2:23 PM

In our household, if Obama is the candidate, we vote for him. If Clinton is the candidate, we vote for McCain. That has been our decision for a long time and it has not changed.

P.S. We are Republicans

Posted by: Dodo | May 8, 2008 2:23 PM

You really think Rev. Wright spend all his sermon time on those subjects? No, you're a Republican.

There is no real link between Ayers and Obama. It's nonsense.

Posted by: RandyFromVA | May 8, 2008 2:23 PM

Wasn't W enough to show the problems with presidential dynasties?

His problems were not just because he is so incredibly naive, they were also because his people, like Cheney and Rumsfeld had so much clout from all their time in the White House that they were able to go pulling strings that ought not to get pulled to make sure that we the public did not get the facts unless they wanted us to.

It is so incredibly bad that it even extends to things like the weather!

I'm picking Obama mostly because Hillary's husband was president, well and because she was on Wal-Mart's board of directors while Bill was the governor of their home state and that is more graft than I am really comfortable with.

Posted by: Cincinnatus | May 8, 2008 2:23 PM

Filegate, NAFTA, Pardongate, Whitewater, Zoe Baird, Janet Reno, closed-door health care plan, closed books, stolen white house heirlooms, a sham of a charitable foundation, total turmoil in her staff, in debt beyond reason - and we are supposed to perceive a good fiscal manager, divisive and poisonous.

More? No thanks.

Posted by: ScottyB | May 8, 2008 2:22 PM

Hillary......Just get your debts paid and call it QUITS..................It is all over...................I voted last week for Barack and I am sure I will get to vote for him again in November

Posted by: LGSparrks | May 8, 2008 2:22 PM

I wouldn't think twice about having Hitlery as a VP. Absolutely not!

http://www.dare2sayit.com/hitlery.jpg

Posted by: Barack | May 8, 2008 2:22 PM

hahaha, you traitors! America is finally expelling you out! We real Americans are tired of those Clintonians. Are you guys looking for a place in Mexico or Canada? If it is not banana-bama will be Big Mac and Rice, but America is going destroy and expel you, because you are a corrupt cancer, financed with Colombian drug-cartels' money. (how do you explain your loser hate lady getting in the White House with 120,000 income and out with a 12 million anual income?) America hates the Clintons and the Clintonians...

Posted by: Clintonian are traitors | May 8, 2008 2:22 PM

HILLARY RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT! THE HELL WITH THIS GOOD OLD BOYS CLUB! IF YOU RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT YOU WILL WIN AND BEAT BOTH THEIR BUTTS!

Posted by: Sam | May 8, 2008 2:22 PM

Clinton OR McCain. Both have decent voting records AND experience, both of which Obama lacks.

Posted by: George | May 8, 2008 2:22 PM

Those aren't really questions, AndyfromVA.

Posted by: MC | May 8, 2008 2:21 PM

My goodness, it certainly seems the Hillary fans are having trouble with losing gracefully, or learning when it's an appropriate time to bow out, as the mathematics are virtually impossible for Hillary to win.

And NO VP spot for her either. I've had enough of the politics of division as Karl Rove and Hillary practice it. I've had enough of a president that incurs the gag reflex in 50% of the nation reflexively (Bush terrifies libs, Hillary terrifies cons).

She never had a chance, and the proof is that Republicans are dying for her to be the nominee, why else would folks like Rush encourage people to manipulate and abuse the nominating process by crossing lines to vote against Obama (not FOR Hillary)?

What are they scared of?

It's called change, and Obama's bringing it. You'd better be ready, the old rich white man network is finally about to be broken asunder.

America will be the better for it.

Posted by: Fred Evil | May 8, 2008 2:21 PM

I find it interesting that few here have anything very substantial to say except that Obama is winning and working and Hillary is just working.

The Obama bashers are funny because they act like he didn't even deserve to win. Good thing Abe Lincoln (another Illinoisan) decided to run even without much experience, isn't it?

(Of course when posed with that question to McCain, McCain says, "I knew Abe Lincoln, and you, Senator Obama, are no Abe Lincoln.") LOL

No one, not even Obama, knows with 100% certainty if he will be successful as a president, or even as a candidate. What we do know is that he is really desirous of making a positive difference in the future of the United States of America with the help of "we the people."

Posted by: Mike | May 8, 2008 2:21 PM

To Andy from Virginia:
Reverend Wright isn't Obama. Please don't vote for Rev. Wright if he runs. That said, I'm surprised that you're surprised that after 200 years of slavery, Jim Crow, lynchings and redlinings, people of color might have the nerve to resent their treatment here.

Posted by: Jane | May 8, 2008 2:21 PM

Mike in sac-LOL! :-D

Obasama is who I hope the Dimocrats can't get rid of!

His Baggage arrived AFTER he locked himself in! :-D

What I am trying to do, is ditch an old RINO before it is too late! ;~)

And BTW-I am doing what I am doing out of a mixture of Spite, and Anger at having MY life Destroyed by Elected Morons!

IF, I was "Paid" it would probably be by someone like Senator John Cornyn, who I'd be Fawning all over like an Obasamabot!

But, truth be known, Senator Cornyn is an OUTSANDING Senator, and does not need any help from me! He is un-Contestable! :-)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 8, 2008 2:21 PM

Very funny, FAKE JakeD. Get them all in before REGISTRATION comes back on-line too ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 2:21 PM

Ralph Nader or bust.

Posted by: Fuad | May 8, 2008 2:21 PM

"It's a Obama Nation! Drop out Hillary."

Not likely! hang in there Hillary!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 8, 2008 2:21 PM

Voting Democrat downticket has not tied GWB's hands. This is the end of the world, folks.

Then again, given the horrorshow the next four years are likely to be, on anybody's watch, if it's a Dem now it could be Hitler next.

So go ahead and vote McCain.

Posted by: behaha | May 8, 2008 2:19 PM


Look, everyone knows REAL Hillary Clinton supporters are either hard at work at the construction site or unemployed and sitting in a bar. We know from exit polls that real HRC supporters are uneducated and poor so they probably can't write and certainly don't use the internet. These angry white "lunch pail" men are not about to sit around during the workday and post pithy, traitorous posts about how "I've been a Democrat all my life but now I have to vote for McBush".

These pro-Hillary, I'm voting for McBush posters are quite obviously Limbaugh REPUGs who are probably home on "disability". (Ya'll know how the disability works when you have a government job, right?)

Posted by: BeerBubba | May 8, 2008 2:19 PM

"Clinton supporters are extremely loyal, and all this shoving her out the door is not endearing Obama to them-or the people endorsing him."

No. This is the truth. I hear it from everyone. at least 50% dems. voted for Clinton, if not more, including Michigan and Florida. I don't want a spineless quiter and She certainly isn't one. Obama has done and said nothing to warrent this pied piper popularity. No one has a clue what he'll do in office. He never say's anything substantial. Furthermore, his treatment of Rev. Wright has been total evidence that Obama is nothing more then pure politician through and through. Wright wasn't just a pator, he was part of the campaign, until the video's of his rants hit the internet. He's also told Canada one thing about NAFTA, and his voters something else. Just to name a few, but all this is quietly and quickly shoved under the rug... I won't vote for an illusionist motivational speaker passing for a presidential candidate.

Posted by: JESUS | May 8, 2008 2:19 PM

AndyfromVA:

Good points (but I'm getting tired standing on my head trying to read all these comments today ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 2:19 PM

"I'm so sick of having this anti-American trash and his racist wife mouthing off, I will go puke now."

Posted by: Thozmaniac | May 8, 2008 2:14 PM

I'm sure the bigot above has done so much more for his country than Obama's decades of public service. He who first tosses the racist card best look in the mirror. Anonymity, it seems, doesn't breed intelligence.

Posted by: Bk | May 8, 2008 2:19 PM

It's a Obama Nation! Drop out Hillary.

Posted by: jeri | May 8, 2008 2:18 PM

Both Obama and Clinton are standing senators. My question is, why weren't they there to vote on whatever was before the congress? Who is handling their senatorial duties while they are out running around fund-raising and campaigning? I would have been more impressed if you said that either of them were there to handle the business of being a senator. THAT would have told me something! But this little photo op just pissed me off!

Posted by: Pat Kenneally | May 8, 2008 2:18 PM

A write in campaign for Hillary Clinton is democratic suicide. Anyone who writes in for Hillary is not a Democrat and doesn't care about the issues at all. There is a significant difference between McCain and Obama, and if you don't see it you deserve another four years of Republican Neo-con warmongering idiocy. Regarding the comment that McCain would have his hands tied by a Democratic Congress, we have a Democratic Congress now and Bush continues to mess up the whole country relatively unopposed. If we are going to change the downward trajectory of our country we need a Democratic president and Democratic Congress. This sour grapes stuff is nonsense. If Hillary is the Democratic nominee I will swallow my utter distaste for her and vote Clinton. Anyone that votes McCain because Obama is the nominee is no Democrat, and doesn't care about the future of this country.

Posted by: Will P | May 8, 2008 2:18 PM

I'm retired, but I'm not lonely. I've got my daughter locked in the cellar and 8 beautiful grandkids.

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 2:18 PM

Obama proclaiming victory would be silly and unwise. I do not see his campaign moving to such a declaration, but I could see the campaign stance moving towards November-speak, rather than primary speak. This means a second pass at challenging McCain -- and this time probably more solid.

The smart and wise approach would be to extend a hand to all party members after the results of June 3rd, declaring himself the front-runner going into the convention and then wait for the Clinton campaign to respond.

Anything else would be foolish and exposing one's campaign to knee-jerk voting in reaction to a "Mission Accomplished" statement... mmm ... that one sounds familiar.

Posted by: PAL | May 8, 2008 2:18 PM

Are Clinton supporters really so short sighted and vindictive that they won't vote for Obama? Would you guys really rather give McBush the opportunity to pack the SCOTUS with right wingers?

Posted by: Javalation | May 8, 2008 2:18 PM

Obama is a former centrist who is running on a progressive platform.
Clinton is a former progressive running on a centrist platform.

Obama ran left, Clinton ran right and look who won the nomination.

Posted by: Bison | May 8, 2008 2:18 PM

The bottom line to all this is that black voters will vote for a black no matter who he is. If Osama Bin Laden were black he could win the black vote in America.

Posted by: Earl | May 8, 2008 2:16 PM

Obama IS GOING TO WIN BIG!!!!! BYE BYE YOU STINKING RACIST!

Posted by: Nexeffex | May 8, 2008 2:16 PM

Mike in Sac:

This is not "Survivor" Tribal Council. I am also not paid to post here -- I have plenty of free time to waste here -- I'm retired (as I think I've told you several times know). Next "ad hominem" attack?

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 2:16 PM

It's clear now that Obama's going to win the nomination. But even though I'm a loyal Democrat, I will never vote for Obama unless he provides satisfactory answers to the following questions:

1. You knew very well throughout your entire 20 years at Trinity Church that the views expressed by Wright at the National Press Club - the USA is the US "KKK", on 9/11 the chickens came home to roost, the US government is responsible for infecting blacks with the AIDS virus, it is Israel's fault that there is a struggle with the Palestinians - were the views that Wright had always advocated from the pulpit.
2. You knew very well from the time you first had any contact with William Ayers that he had admittedly bombed the Pentagon.

To most middle of the road Americans, if the answer to either of these two questions is "Yes", Obama shouldn't be President due to his assent, by his action or inaction, to those with anti-American views. If the answer is "No", Obama shouldn't be President due to his ignorance and gullibility. Does Obama have any adequate argument why these factors don't demonstrate that he should not be President? I have yet to hear them so far.

Posted by: AndyfromVA | May 8, 2008 2:14 PM

Do John McCain or conservative republicans respect the moral foundation of this country? The U.S. Constitution was actually designed, among other things, to protect the people of America from misguided government.

U.S. Constitution: Amendment I - Freedom of Religion
Right now, for the first time ever, your tax dollars are funding religious groups you may not agree with. To add insult to injury, conservative judges have ruled that taxpayers do not have a right to challenge this expenditure.

Amendment IV - Search and seizure
Under the guise of court action against abortion, Conservative republicans had John Ashcroft subpoena all the medical records of literally thousands of women just like you and members of your family. Conservative republicans are invading your privacy every day. Unfortunately for all of us, they don't appear to care about our U.S. constitution, or by extension, the people of our great country.

Amendment X - Powers of the States and People
John McCain and conservative republicans have tried consistently to overturn States Laws. They used your tax dollars to destroy the will of the people of Oregon, and the famous "Death with Dignity" law; they lost, but undoubtedly will try again. Conservative republicans and John McCain do not respect States Rights.

Amendment VIII - Cruel and Unusual punishment
Would you rather die, or support a government which supported and sanctioned torture? The founding fathers would rather have died, and in fact they were proud to fight and die for our government: A government which specifically outlaws cruel and unusual punishment for very important reasons.

John McCain and the conservative republicans are destroying the moral foundations of our country. I urge you to keep this in mind in the coming election as we rebuild our nation together by voting Democrat.

Posted by: Frank US | May 8, 2008 2:14 PM

Jake
Get a life

Posted by: Mary | May 8, 2008 2:14 PM

I like JakeD's comments...I read them, then decide the exact opposite of what he said is the truth. His complaints are like listening to the waning notes of music as the Titanic goes down...music to my ears!

Posted by: Bk | May 8, 2008 2:14 PM

"Hillary it is, or I'll just stay home"

I hope for the good of the country you are able to make a rational, logical decision about what has obviously become an emotional issue. The divisiveness Bush and Rove pushed as their primary tactic must end, we must come together as Americans with common goals.

I support Obama but were the tables turned, I would vote for Hillary as a far superior candidate compared with the Republican offering.

Posted by: Scott Kim | May 8, 2008 2:14 PM

I wouldn't vote for an America hating marxist racist if he were the only one running.
This election is biased and the outcome already known to those who are truly in power.
I'm so sick of having this anti-American trash and his racist wife mouthing off, I will go puke now.

Posted by: Thozmaniac | May 8, 2008 2:14 PM

It ain't over 'til the fat lady sings.

Posted by: Edna | May 8, 2008 2:13 PM

Really, satya? You don't "see any value" in my posting the form and instructions for a Hillary write-in candidacy? Over 16 million Hillary voters may just disagree with you about that ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 2:13 PM

Better Obamamania than Clintonitus.

Posted by: Schratboy | May 8, 2008 2:12 PM

it's Rep. Jack Murtha--not Sen. Jack Murtha...

Posted by: andrew | May 8, 2008 2:12 PM

Why doesn't he offer to make Clinton VP and she will bow out gracfully.

Probably cause he sucks and will never win against McCain anyway.

Posted by: John | May 8, 2008 2:12 PM

I vote to expell both JakeD and RAT. You are the two most offensive paid posters on this site.

How long you going to continue JakeD? I heard Hil is out of money. You taking IOUs or are you paid by Rove?

OH and you both lose big time. All of your obnoxious gas about Obama losing and how bad he was doing. He wins and you were wrong.


Obama 08

Posted by: Mike in Sac | May 8, 2008 2:11 PM

Obama is good at pointing out the problems, but he doesn't have the machine to begin solving them. When will he say something with substance? Besides, it's what he has not said that bothers me.

Posted by: Rick, at center | May 8, 2008 2:10 PM

OBAMA IS NOT PUSHING CLINTON OUT THE DOOR:

Obama has led a courteous and gracious campaign against other Democrats and now is treating Mrs. Clinton fairly, people who say otherwise are simply lying.
Others saying Democrats should defect just want a neoconservative encore to the Bush Presidency with a fatally flawed McCain administration. The same people in the Bush administration (whose approval rating hit an all time low of 28% which is lower than Nixon's in the worst part of Watergatel.) Obama is going to be the Democratic nominee, opposing him is to oppose Liberalism and American VALUES and civil and social freedoms. Obama is opposed to useless wars, come on people Obama is the candidate to support of you are interested in preserving your freedoms that have lasted this long.

Posted by: Marc Reynolds | May 8, 2008 2:10 PM

Satya- That, was TRULY;

Profound! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 8, 2008 2:10 PM

At last . . the dynastic era of American politics ends . . no chance for a Bush or Clinton in the White house . . . times they are a changing . . . and it's about time . .

Posted by: Doctor Benway | May 8, 2008 2:09 PM

Well, if Mccain wins enjoy your $8.00 a gal gas, because that is the prediction in 24 months.
**********
Hillary it is, or I'll just stay home

Posted by: Rick, at center | May 8, 2008 2:05 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 8, 2008 2:09 PM

Hey,
Posted by: Rick, at center | May 8, 2008 2:05 PM

Are you going to take your ball with you?

Posted by: Bison | May 8, 2008 2:09 PM

Other Forums like this all have freaks like Jake. They're all paid hacks with fast typing skills, a list of pre-prepared responses, and no other skills with which to earn a living.

You just have to pay no attention to them.

Posted by: dennis | May 8, 2008 2:08 PM

Geez, no mention of Oregon's Peter De Fazio. He's the greatest rep ever, famously making opportunity grants and scholarships out of every raise the lawmakers vote themselves. I am sure an approximate ton of us Oregon voters want to hear who he's leaning toward supporting. But not a peep. I'd think about now, Obama would be heading for the Oregon corner. Of course, our Peter is quite beyond any kind of courtship or flattery. He will make his own decision. I am just eager to know what it is and when we will hear it. Voted already, by mail, I did. Obama.

Posted by: Gaias Child | May 8, 2008 2:07 PM

For Hillary is is all about funding raising and then fold the tent. Her candidacy is nor just a con to recover what she has personally invested. Anyone who thinks differently are just kidding themselves. She wants your money and nothing else

Posted by: Anonymous | May 8, 2008 2:07 PM

Hillary it is, or I'll just stay home

Posted by: Rick, at center | May 8, 2008 2:05 PM

LOL,
There is no way real Democrats are going to vote for McCain, you trolls are wasting your time.
The crossover repugs who voted for Hillary will slither back under their repug rock and Obama and the Democrats along with the lions share of Independents will lay waste to McCain and end repug rule.
After 8 years of GWB no self respecting real Democrat would vote for GWBII.
You under estimate our anger and disgust with McCain's party.

Posted by: Bison | May 8, 2008 2:01 PM

greenfun - RE your comment:

"Clinton supporters are extremely loyal, and all this shoving her out the door is not endearing Obama to them-or the people endorsing him."

It IS Clinton supporters that are advising her to depart quietly, quickly, and with whatever dignity she has not yet thrown to the wind in this campaign.

Support for Clinton Wanes as Obama Sees Finish Line

Or Paste: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/us/politics/08campaign.html?th&emc=th

Posted by: jencm | May 8, 2008 1:58 PM

At least our members of Congress are more respectful in their manners and behaviour than many of Sen Clinton's followers who post comments here.

Posted by: Brnman | May 8, 2008 1:57 PM

Ellen For a revote they needed an ok from both Obama and Hillary.Both Governors of Fla. and Mich pushed for a revote and the Gov of N.J. said he would get funding for a revote. Obama 's people said no. i live in Fla.

Posted by: roncraw | May 8, 2008 1:55 PM

Is there a way to vote JakeD off this website forever. He is the most obnoxious guy I have seen online. I don't see him adding any value to the discourse.

Posted by: satya | May 8, 2008 1:54 PM

BPJ- by coronation do you mean he predicts he will have enough delegates on 5/20? You are almost as bad as most republicans twisting words around.

Greenfun- are you seriously saying that everyone who does not vote for Obama is voting against him? If so I would rethink that. Polls do suggest some people who voted for Clinton will not vote for Obama in the general, but certainly not all of them.

I think Clinton should stay in the race as long as she wants. She deeply cares for this country and has worked so hard over the past year campaigning for the betterment of America. I don't like how people are calling her to resign (which is no what Obama himself is doing) like some Obama supporters. But in all fairness BPJ, Obama is not engaging in a self coronation. Who wins will have the most amount of delegates (popular vote isn't a great gauge on who is winning due to caucuses). If that is Hillary, then she deserves that nomination, but if it is Obama, he deserves it. Just keep that in mind next time you post Greenfun and BPJ. Let's stay away from divisive comments such as yours and move forward.

Posted by: DS | May 8, 2008 1:53 PM

Hillary is back to playing the race card hard today and Super D's see she is willing to destroy the party if she can't get her way. From what I am hearing they are tired of her. She couldn't hardly get their attention, she was basicaly ignored, mean time they treated Obama like a rock star today. Like with the stupid gas tax where she shoot herself in the foot, today she shot herself in the heart. She finished herself off today for good.

Posted by: Florida voter | May 8, 2008 1:51 PM

The key remaining block of delegates are no longer to be awarded by the voters, although of course those remaining pledged delegates are important, too. The fact is that there are now fewer pledged delegates up for grabs than the superdelegates. Both Clinton and Obama understand this because they are both smart people.

Both Clinton and Obama are asking undecided ones to come out and support them, and both would love to have the other candidate's superdelegates switch sides. It's not like one is coyly "hands off" while the other is asking for support. They're both asking for it, and they have every right to.

The fact that Obama's upbeat, positive appearance on the House floor, enjoyed by so many congressmen and women who flocked to him in full public view, annoys people, suggests that feelings are still really bruised, and whatever he did would annoy you.

I honestly think that if he sat down on a chair and read a book, or laid down on a cot and took a nap, these would be seen as typically irritating, if not openly sexist, actions on his part, because you're so mad that your candidate lost. I understand the emotion, but I don't think the guy is doing anything wrong to ask for superdelegate support and to embrace the support being offered.

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | May 8, 2008 1:49 PM

Ellen:

His campaign REFUSED to agree to a re-vote -- his assent was required -- whether you want to call that "blocking" the re-vote or not is irrelevant.

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 1:46 PM

And so the ranks close...

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matthew | May 8, 2008 1:45 PM

Greenfun, Obama did not block the Florida re-vote. He has no power to do so. All the machinations and decisions on that issue are decided by the Democratic Party, not by the candidates. And he is not showing Clinton the door. Voters are.

Posted by: Ellen | May 8, 2008 1:43 PM

For instance, here in California, write-in requirements include a Declaration by 55 Electors:

The elector candidate's name, residence address, the date of the general election, a statement stating that he or she is a write-in candidate for the office of presidential elector, an oath of office which must be signed in front of an officer authorized to administer oaths, such as a county elections official or a notary public, and the names of the presidential and vice-presidential candidates to whom the elector candidate is pledged.

http://www.sos.ca.gov/elections/election_2008/qualifications/wi_pres_nov2008.pdf

Not to mention the federal forms and FEC filings ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 1:42 PM

Word is out that Obama plans to coronate himself on 5/20. If that happens and you are a Democratic Hillary supporter, that would be a good day to change your affiliation to Independent and seek out either the Nader or McCain campaigns.

Do not be decieved by the Obamabots who preach doom and gloom if you vote for McCain. Remember, if we vote Democrat downticket, his hands will be tied by a Democratic House and Senate.

Posted by: BPJ | May 8, 2008 1:41 PM

greenfun:

May I suggest you vote FOR McCain instead of wasting a vote writing in Hillary's name (especially if she doesn't submit the paperwork needed to count as a "write-in")?

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 1:35 PM

Isn't it interesting that everyone forgets that half of democrats voted AGAINST Obama.
Clinton supporters are extremely loyal, and all this shoving her out the door is not endearing Obama to them-or the people endorsing him. There is a huge movement to just write her name in on the ballot instead of voting for Obama. Everyone forgets that he cannot win without Clinton supporters. We already think he is under- qualified and overly -ambitious. He has also blocked re-votes in Florida. Does he think he can win without FL?
I think he is offending a huge demographic that is not going to be there for him in November.

Posted by: greenfun | May 8, 2008 1:32 PM

This is why the approval rating for Congress is lower than even President Bush's ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 1:19 PM

The False Messiah is getting his Fifteen Minutes, at the Tax-Payer's expense.

With all the issue at hand, fawning favors is NOT what I would recommend as the Business of the Day!

But wait, considering the Insipid foolishness the DIMocrat Controlled Congress NORMALLY Does...

I would, I guess, have to concede the IMPROVEMENT! ;~)

Back to Fawning at False Idols!

Posted by: RAT-The | May 8, 2008 1:17 PM

I like this new format, because my comments will always be on top : )

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 1:07 PM

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