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A live video of Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean speaking is projected on a large screen during the DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting at the Marriott Park Wardman hotel May 31, 2008, in Washington, D.C. (Getty Images)

By Dan Balz
The Democratic Party's Rules and Bylaws Committee opened its deliberations over the fate of Michigan and Florida with a plea from party chairman Howard Dean to find a resolution that will unite the party heading into the November election.

"We are strong enough to struggle and disagree and even be angry and disappointed and still come together at the end of the day and be united," Dean told the 30-member committee and a hotel ballroom filled with onlookers, media and security.

Democrats on and off the committee said compromise was likely. For Florida, the outlines included seating the state's delegations but giving each of them half a vote, allocated on the basis of the Jan. 29 primary.

But committee members still appeared to be struggling to find a solution for Michigan. The sticking point was how to allocate delegates after a primary in which Hillary Clinton's name was on the ballot but Barack Obama's, by his own choice, was not.

One idea called for seating the full delegation with half votes each and splitting the delegates 50-50 between candidates Obama and Clinton. But one Democrat said that idea appeared to have lost favor Friday night when the committee members met for dinner and discussion.

Dean lavishly praised Clinton and Obama for their long and hard-fought nomination battle, which he argued has strengthened the party in preparation for the fall campaign against Republican John McCain. He also criticized "blatant sexist comments" and "blatantly racist remarks" that have been aimed at the two candidates during the campaign.

Dean said that, while many may seize on conflict over the Michigan and Florida delegations, the goal of the committee should be to produce a compromise that resolve the dispute.

Without signaling a specific outcome, Dean said the committee should apply three principles to its deliberations: to respect the voters in both states, whom he said were not responsible for what happened; respect the two candidates and their campaigns; and respect the 48 states that abided by the rules.

Democrats in Florida and Michigan violated the Democratic National Committee's rules by moving up the date of their primaries. As a result, the rules committee barred their entire delegates from attending the upcoming national convention in Denver.

The day's schedule called for presentations by officials from Florida and then Michigan, laying out their objections to the penalties imposed last year on the two states by the rules committee. Representatives of the Obama and Clinton campaigns were planning to offer their views on each challenge. The committee will begin deliberations on a solution later in the day.

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I'm simply observant, and personally determined to point out that there are certain formulaic posts that appear over and over again.

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Posted by: Lynn | May 31, 2008 3:31 PM

Like all of yours, you mean. "Snake oil?" By that logic, HRC is peddling the same, since (as I'm sure you know if you're as informed as you say you are), there is very little difference between Obama and Clinton in terms of policy.

If you're planning on trolling, at least provide us all with some variety. (And the word is "hordes", by the way.)

Posted by: Anonymous | June 2, 2008 8:58 AM

As a life long democrat, I am disgusted with the party that claims to represent the people. If you represent the people than their votes should count. Apparently, if Hillary wins more votes she should be elected by the super delegates. The super delegates know more than the people the party represents? My family or extended family is not voting for Obama.

Posted by: marie | June 1, 2008 8:54 PM

This is another lifelong left liberal Dem who started out by being mildly interested in the primary and predisposed to voting for either one if she or he wins. But after this bruising primary season, we (I and about 2 dozen of my friends) have seen the REAL OBAMA, a racist and sexist thug whose very patriotism is suspect.

To save our country, we are all voting for John McCain in November. And that's final.

To Howard Dean: Yes, we, Clinton supporters, are ready to UNITE--We are now uniting to DEFEAT A DANGEROUS MAN who has bought off the Democratic Party.

God SAVE AMERICA! McCain '08 in a landslide!!

Posted by: Speak Truth to Power | June 1, 2008 6:59 PM

Florida's and Michigan's delegates should be seated and fairly divided, but I am puzzled by not giving Hillary the delegates she earned by votes. Pelosi said let the delegates reflect the voting, except I guess if it favors Hillary.

The lament that the length of the close nominee contest will split the Democratic Party, I now realize, pertains to a small coterie of "real" Democrats who make rules and political deals quite apart from the vast number of us "street" Democrats who just want to choose their own Presidential nominee.

The long,heated contest between our two excellent candidates does not discourage me: the obvious favoritism toward Obama shown by the Party, the politicos, and the media have made me doubt that we should continue with this system. The recent disgusting diatribe of another pastor-supporter of Obama's [Pflueger]wafted through the media and Obama's campaign with relatively little concern, while if the same antics had been that of a Clinton supporter, a flat-out, bare-knuckle beating of her reputation would ensue.

The true outsider here is Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Winged V | June 1, 2008 8:54 AM

This is a sad day... the day the democrats died. I am out of here. McCain is a moderate - not a neo-con like Bush. He feels safe. POW and all, there is no questioning his loyalties. Obama's loyalties are more than quesitonable when you examine his close associations (His wife, Rezco, Wright, Phleger, Ayers, Khalidi sp?... the list is too long now to go into) This is a disgrace and a national ragedy. Barack Hussein Obama is a risk that we cannot afford to take. 20 years in that horrid church? That isn't Christianity they are preaching in there - it comes from "someplace else." I am sorry - but 20 YEARS!!!!!!! That is creepier than words can say.

Posted by: OBAMAJAMESCONE | June 1, 2008 8:36 AM

Party unity? That is laughable and infuriating even. This is a sad day... the day the democrats died. I am out of here. McCain is a moderate - not a neo-con like Bush. He feels safe. POW and all, there is no questioning his loyalties. Obama's loyalties are more than quesitonable when you examine his close associations (His wife, Rezco, Wright, Phleger, Ayers, Khalidi sp?... the list is too long now to go into) This is a disgrace and a national ragedy. Barack Hussein Obama is a risk that we cannot afford to take. Ex-Muslim... 20 years in that horrid church? That isn't Christianity they are preaching in there - it comes from "someplace else." I am sorry - but 20 YEARS!!!!!!! That is creepier than words can say. He changes his mask every time a new part of him is revealed. Funny - he left the church to protect the church - not because the racism and hatred being preached was morally and patriotically offensive (and not to mentioned RACIST!) A lot of us see through your flash and your memorized speeches. McCain gets my vote - voting republican first time ever... who would have ever fathomed?

Posted by: OBAMAJAMESCONE | June 1, 2008 8:35 AM

all these accusations of cheating by the Obama camp have no basis. The Obama camp abided by the rules decided ahead of time by the party. Clinton agreed to them, too, later to change her tune when it suited her. The reason the rules committee convened was to show the voters in FLA and Michigan that they do care about the citizens who voted. They were not obligated to count any of those votes according to the rules. But they made a compromise and it's reported that the Democratic committees in both states are happy with the compromise. Hillary supporters have the right to be disappointed, but they have no rationale to claim that the nomination was taken unfairly from Hillary. It has been a close race. They are both good candidates. It's tough and disappointing to lose a close race. I still feel that if she had been more unifying all along the campaign trail, her supporters would not feel so justified about threatening to vote republican. If she truly wants to have the republicans defeated, she will have to give more than idle lip service to the idea of party unity. she will have to use all her skills or persuasion and logic to convince those disgruntled supporters that it's in their best interest economically, and in terms of national security and America's future in the world, to vote for Obama and not for McCain.

Posted by: Tammy | June 1, 2008 3:54 AM

For all of those that state that they will change parties or vote of Sen. McCain please realize that IF Sen. McCain is voted as our next president that you will have no one to blame but yourselves for the 4 years of continued policies that even Sen. Clinton will be fighting aginst in Congress.

IF Sen. Clinton is not selected as the Democratic canidate... and IF you vote for Sen. McCain because of it.. your voting to oppose so much of what Sen. Clinton supports... that seems an odd way to show her support to the end.

Posted by: ksb | June 1, 2008 3:45 AM

" ... If People research hillary they would see how extremely smart she is ..."

You've got to be kidding, or completely clueless.

Please explain the corkscrew landing into Tuzla, and the running through sniper fire to the limo.

Extremely smart? Extremely egomaniacal and deluded is the truth.

Posted by: Chuckamok | May 31, 2008 8:22 PM

Harry J. wrote:
"The only rule was that the candidates agreed not to campaign in Florida and Michigan. There was no rule that they take their names off the ballots."

- - - - -

Then what you're suggesting is that every candidate should have left their names on the ballots in those states because, in the event that their campaign ever became disadvantaged, the rule could ultimately be overturned in their favor.

That's not what rules are for. This argument is counter-intuitive.

Posted by: Emlyn | May 31, 2008 7:33 PM

prettierthanyou wrote:
"Okay. Not only am I going to vote for McCain, but now I'm also going to donate to his campaign. If only you'd signed your post, I'd make my donation in honor of you."

- - - - -

Senator Clinton's faltering campaign is not a blow to women's rights (as so many seemingly insist), it is simply a blow to her bid for the nomination.

That's what elections ARE, folks. Live with it.

Her supporters, though understandably bruised, must understand that this is what a free Democracy is all about, and that the time has come for us to unite behind the people's choice.

Vacant threats of jumping ship, turning coat and casting a vote for the opposition--purely out of spite--is an adolescent reaction to an adult situation.

Cooler heads must prevail.

Posted by: Emlyn | May 31, 2008 7:22 PM

I have nothing against Obama at all,
He just does not have the Experience our Country needs. That is just a Fact.
I will Vote for Hillary if she wins the Democratic nomination. She has prepared all of her life for this and she has all of what it takes to d oa Good Job,Far Better than anyone else running. If People research hillary they would see how extremely smart she is and she is showing us now SHE is no Quiter ! IF for some reason she does not win the Nomination
For the Very 1st time in my LIFE me and my Husband and all of our Friends are Voting them for MCCain, So God help us pray Hillary wins, if not I will not Vote for Obama, I would be forced to Vote for Mccain
Too bad Obama won't jsut let Hillary be President and then he can get experience as Her Vice president
Plezz see how Obama acts tells the press to lay off his wife, but then he picks on a woman himself, plus he loves his church until they speak out and embarrace him and he ditches them , THAT is what he would Do the the USA and we do not Need someone who Turns Tail and Runs ! PLEZZZZ Do not Quit Hillary!!! People in Kansas Adore you ~

Posted by: Girlygirl | May 31, 2008 6:43 PM

Nice insight, bob (3rd post). ALL Americans are virtually clueless. At least make a smart generalization

Posted by: Aliminator | May 31, 2008 6:36 PM

Please, folks: I know there are some bruised feelings across the board, but electing McCain over it is like cutting off your face to spite your skull.

It's ludicrous.

Posted by: John | May 31, 2008 6:26 PM

Girlygirl wrote:
"I have nothing against Obama at all,
He just does not have the Experience our Country needs. That is just a Fact."

- - - - -

I have nothing against Clinton at all.

Her "experience" simply led her to make a wrong decision: To vote for an illegal war and an unjust occupation of a sovereign nation.

That is just a fact.

Posted by: Emlyn | May 31, 2008 6:15 PM

No Bama? Guess what, No CLINTON! Plus, we will destroy their legacy, her career, and Chelsea future opportunities in politics. Actions create reactions. Campaign Clinton has open a barrel of anger in this country that will not only be directed at this parasitic Clinton family, but also to any organization and group that has supported her campaign! We have long memories! Take that to the bank!

Posted by: Clintonbegone | May 31, 2008 6:05 PM

I'm listening to the CSPAN broadcast and they are taking calls from anyone and everyone. It is trully disturbing how many people are vitually clueless as to what we are doing and why. We as Americans should be ashamed of our lack of awareness of how are government works, what it is based upon and who actually controls it. If you add in all the hatred, prejudices, misinformation and fears its really a miracle we all haven't gone the drain by now.

Posted by: Bob | May 31, 2008 5:56 PM

"Can we really get to sing "Ding, dong, the witch is dead" within the foreseeable future, when Clinton finally-finally quits the race?"

You won't think it's so funny when the Democrats lose in a landslide in November and it will be entirely the fault of smug jerks just like you.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 5:52 PM

II HEAR TELL OBAMA GOT HIS ILLINOIS SENATE SEAT UNOPPOSED!

hE MADE SURE THAT EVERY OTHER POLITIAN TRYING FOR THE SAME POSITION DID NOT FOLLOW ALL THE RULES AND HAD THEM DISQUALIFIED, SO HE WALKED IN FREE AND CLEAR. SEEMS OBAMA HAD NO OPPOSITION AND THAT MADE HIM A SURE THING SINCE HE HAD NO POLITICAL BACKGROUND WHERE HE COULD HAVE MADE SOME MISTAKES AND WHERE HE GETS INFORMATION WRONG AS HE CONSTANTLY DOES NOW

Posted by: lynn parker | May 31, 2008 5:47 PM

"Do you think McCain "respects" Hillary? He stands for everything she does not. He is in a party that has almost NO females in power, expect for the token Condie Rice. Did you look at the line-up of 12 presidental candidates? What did you see?"

I saw no women this time around. A few years ago, however, Elizabeth Dole was part of that lineup.

And there's only ever been one woman in the Democratic lineup: Hillary Clinton. And look at the horrible,disgusting, rejecting behavior she has educed -- from Democrats.

Posted by: prettierthanyou | May 31, 2008 5:40 PM

If Obama is elected president he will end up making GWB look like a candidate for Mt. Rushmore.

Posted by: ZarDotZ | May 31, 2008 5:26 PM

"These comments are part of the Billhary Machine. It all sounds so post-menopausal."

Okay. Not only am I going to vote for McCain, but now I'm also going to donate to his campaign. If only you'd signed your post, I'd make my donation in honor of you.

Posted by: prettierthanyou | May 31, 2008 5:23 PM

What is our Constitution and the Bill of Rights? They are documents that are rules we govern by in these United States. President Lincoln fought for those basic rights.

If the DNC and the rules committee made their rules, which they based their decision on before the election started, then those are the rules that must be followed.

We have seen this last administration destroy the RULES that govern this land, by bending them to their own will. If the DNC or the rules committee change their rules now in mid stream, then they are no better the what the GOP has been doing for 8 years.

In the end a change or appeasement to either side will mean that there are no rules to govern and this is a free for all. Get what you can no matter how it affects your neighbor.

I am tired from the last administration changing the rules as they wanted for their own benefit. If the Democrats do the same, count me and a lot other to follow no rules.

Posted by: jerry rubin | May 31, 2008 5:19 PM

Go Google "57 Islamic States".

Posted by: Nob City | May 31, 2008 3:44 PM

Google RACIST PIECE OF TRASH and you'll find Nob City.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 5:18 PM

Hey people, for your information, we in Florida were told by our illustrious Democratic leaders HERE to vote in the primary and that it WOULD be counted. How do you explain that???????

Posted by: Janet P | May 31, 2008 5:13 PM

why can't we all just get along?

Posted by: amazed by it all | May 31, 2008 5:13 PM

"If you think Obama is qualified, by all means, cast your vote for him. But if you think he's not, don't vote for him just because he's a Democrat."

I do believe he's qualified and I am voting for him. He has held elective office longer than Hillary Clinton and all I hear about is her 35 years of experience--much of which are irrelevant since being a corporate lawyer for over 15 years and First Lady for 8 count for absolutely nothing.

And has Hillary been a powerhouse since she entered the U.S. Senate hardly--In her first 6 years in the US Senate--her first ELECTED POSITION as opposed to appointment or corporate job--Sen. Clinton introduced a grand total of 20 bills. Four of those bills were for naming various buildings after dead people, two of them were directly related to the attacks of 9/11/2001 and several others were things like congratulating sports teams.

In Barack Obama's FIRST year in the US Senate, he introduced 152 bills.

Barck is more accomplished and more prepared than Hillary Clinton to be President. Just because you believe you are 'entitled' to the position doesn't make it so. Not by a LONG SHOT.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 5:10 PM

Posted by: MizuInOZ | May 31, 2008 3:16 PM
Most candidates did not campaign and/or took their names off of the ballots in these states because they were following the rules.
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The only rule was that the candidates agreed not to campaign in Florida and Michigan. There was no rule that they take their names off the ballots. Obama took his name off the Michigan ballot to appease Iowa, who favored him and weren't happy that Michigan moved up their primary date. Also, he knew he wasn't favored to win Michigan. The question remains; Why didn't he take his name off the Florida ballot?

Posted by: Harry J. | May 31, 2008 4:49 PM

Hey people, for your information, we in Florida were told by our illustrious Democratic leaders HERE to vote in the primary and that it WOULD be counted. How do you explain that???????

If I told you to jump off the roof, would you do it?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 4:48 PM

If you want party UNITY, you will abide by the rules that EVERY candidate, including both Clinton and Obama, agreed to. And I quote Hillary's campaign manager last October in reference to Florida and Michigan: "Everyone knows those primary votes will not count."

Posted by: MerryJoe | May 31, 2008 4:47 PM

I found Mae's comment about the Washington State primary interesting.

At my local district primary in Kent, Washington (near Seattle), Hillary supporters listened politely and clapped at the right moments when Obama's supporter made his speech (despite him inaccurately listing universal health care as part of Obama's platform.) Then, we Hillary's supporter spoke, she was booed and heckled through her speech.

I have never felt less like voting for Obama, should he get the nomination, than at that moment.

Posted by: Jennifer | May 31, 2008 4:40 PM

One thing this fiasco is proving is that the Democrats aren't the party of hope to lead us out of the mess the United States is in.

Voting for an incompetent candidate just because he's a Democrat is a solution that would only appeal to the most mindless of slobbering idiots.

If you think Obama is qualified, by all means, cast your vote for him. But if you think he's not, don't vote for him just because he's a Democrat. If you need any proof that placing your trust in the Democratic party doesn't solve anything, look no further than Nancy Pelosi's refusal to impeach Bush. Or look at the party's complete inability to nominate an electable candidate. Or look at their inability to mange the polarization of the party that has resulted during this primary. All they can do is to "plead" with us to vote against our own interests if the foist Obama off on us as the nominee.

Howard Dean can beg all he wants. Because as Democrats, we've been begging him for weeks not to nominate the unelectable candidate. We've been asking the party to nominate a candidate who is both capable of winning the election and healing the damage done by the Bush years. But the party isn't listening to us. And now it's our turn not to listen to them.

Posted by: Lynn | May 31, 2008 4:39 PM

CONSIDER that the spiritual advisors who have advised Obama for 20 years uniformily spew hatrid and racism,

CONSIDER that Obama won his election for Chicago councilman on technicalities, much as he is doing in his nomination battle,

CONSIDER that Obama gets his jollies by referring to women as "sweetie",

CONSIDER that Obama refers to his own grandmother with a racial stereotype "she's just a typical white person",

CONSIDER that Obama talks about "bringing this country together",

What is wrong with this picture?

Could it be that we are witnessing a born again politician? I gotta tell you I get a scary déjà vu feeling when I think of how Bush won an election as a "compassionate conservative".

So it's time to evaluate the band wagon I've been riding, the Kool-Aid I've been drinking, There is a serious problem here where the rubber meets the road!

ALL people need to be heard, ALL people must have their vote counted, There IS no way to truly bring this country together without that. Democratic process or not.

Posted by: 47th & Lincoln | May 31, 2008 4:31 PM

The reason for a Democrat loss in November? Howard Dean, of the famous "I Had a Scream" episode

Posted by: Virginian | May 31, 2008 4:31 PM

What a joke the Democratic Party has become. The candidates agreed not to campaign in Michigan. Obama honored the agreement. Michigan and Florida were told not to move up their primaries - they did. The right to vote has nothing to do with seating delegates that violated party rules they were well aware of. They should lose - the state party leaders failed the voters in those states, not Obama or Clinton.

If Clinton choose to press a legal maneuver to push out Obama, she's done no better than what Bush did to Gore.

I won't vote for a dishonorable candidate of any description, and I won't be part of a party that won't follow it's own rules.

If Clinton steals this nomination, I'm voting for McCain. No one can be worse than Bush, and I'm sick of DC dynasties, whether they hail from Texas or Arkansas.

Posted by: Nate | May 31, 2008 4:28 PM

I will vote for whichever Democrat gets the nomination. I want the Republicans out of power. Period. They have done enough damage to this country.
Many Hillary supporters, basing their reasons on claims of sexism, have applied all of the sexism experienced in their own lives to this primary process, and hate Obama for pulling ahead in the primary process. They feel like the presidency was "stolen" from Hillary (regardless of the fact that Obama has followed the rules set out by the DNC). But remember all those Hillary supporters who said that they would not vote for a black man? Isn't this racism? Okay, so there is some sexism among Obama supporters and some racism among Hillary supporters. Let's acknowledge it and then let's get on with a Democrat winning the election --- because allowing John McCain to win the presidency is a scary proposition.
For those Hillary supporters who under the impression that McCain would better serve their interests than Obama should be aware that McCain made a cruel joke about Hillary's daughter at a 1998 Republican Senate fundraiser. Chelsea was just 18. He asked, "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?...Because her father is Janet Reno." This Chelsea "joke" was from a prepared text. When you're only 18 and have not yet developed a thick skin, an attack like that can be deeply wounding. People have killed for words less hurtful. It was horrible for McCain to make such a cruel joke at Chelsea's expense -- just to throw fodder to a Republican crowd. It would be bad enough had McCain's joke targeted only Janet Reno, feeding the myth that any assertive woman must be a lesbian. As adults, we should recognize the nasty joke as reflecting on McCain's character.
McCain's cruel side should be reason enough to stand against him. People who have a cruel side like McCain's do not care about the average citizen, even if they protest that they do. But all Democrats should want to defeat McCain for other reasons, too: He pushed for the Iraq war. He has no problem with our staying as occupiers for a hundred years. He thinks it's fine to do little or nothing about people who are facing foreclosure on their homes. The Children's Defense Fund rated him the worst senator in Congress last year, and he got a zero rating from the League of Conservation Voters for his lack for votes to protect the environment. He gave a commencement address at Jerry Falwell's Liberty University after Falwell claimed the 9/11 attacks happened because God was angered by the gays, lesbians, feminists, abortionists, the ACLU, and People for the American Way.
Many of you believe that the vitriolic attacks you spout against Obama are just politics and that Obama has gone after Hillary just as harshly. But remember, words have an impact. At the Washington State caucus, Obama supporters listened respectfully while Hillary's spokesperson made her pitch. Then Hillary's supporters heckled and booed the Obama person, and several even turned their backs. They had absorbed all the vitriol that had been said about Obama as if it were all true.
I hope most of you will come around by November, no matter who is the Democratic nominee. I know that I will vote for either Democrat in order to put the Republicans out of power. But the more the Hillary camp continues to conduct a scorched-earth campaign, the more the defections to the Republican side if Obama wins. In which case, this country will take more than one hundred years to get over the damage that has been and will be done to it by the Republicans.

Posted by: Mae | May 31, 2008 4:27 PM

I don't understand why it is necessary to make such hurtful comments to each other - really.

Somebody let me know if they think it solves any problems - I'll be outside, relaxing.

Posted by: Buster | May 31, 2008 4:23 PM

What a waste of time, effort, and money (Obama is the inevitable nominee) just to appease Hillary! She is an attention addict; feverishly fighting to get just one more fix!

All-or-nothing Hillary supporters claim they will defect and vote for McCain (or not vote at all) because Hillary is an also-ran!

Is Hillary a loyal Democrat or the head of a cult?

Hillary, the Queen of Spin and a Legend in Her Own Mind!

http://klintons.com

Posted by: Bob | May 31, 2008 4:23 PM

"The campaigning would be vastly improved if someone would undertake to muzzle these mad dogs in the media and the online forums."

Do WHAT?
Just because people don't agree with your opinion, it's "mad dog" and should be MUZZLED?

You need to move to a country that doesn't have freedom of speech. Of course, there you wouldn't have the freedom of being such a fool.

Posted by: RoBoTech | May 31, 2008 4:00 PM

There's no fairness unless 100% of Michigan and Florida are seated.

Wow to the Democratic National Committee, if it disrespects those states.

The women of America will vote their discontent in November - by depriving the Party of the White House.

You can count on it!

Posted by: Lesley | May 31, 2008 3:59 PM

Obama must stop playing games with rules as he did back in 1996 in Chicago. Back then, he succeeded to find fault with petition signatures thus invalidating 3 other candidates leaving him alone to face a Replublican in a Democrat stronghold.
Florida and Michigan voters had full filled their duty, they have not broken any rules because there is none to prevent them from voting. There will not be unity unless the integrity of these votes be fully restored. Any attempt from Obama to block the process will have an important impact in November General election.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 3:59 PM

Go and ask the stupidest person you know how many states are in the USA.
Let me know if anyone says anything other than 50.
Why would someone (Obama) say that they have campaigned in all 57 states? This isn't just a number he pulled out of his ass. It had to be embedded in his peabrain somehow.
Go Google "57 Islamic States".

Posted by: Nob City | May 31, 2008 3:44 PM

No, nameless one, I'm not a plant. I have a well paying job that has nothing to do with politics and I'm not a volunteer in any capacity.

I'm simply observant, and personally determined to point out that there are certain formulaic posts that appear over and over again.

Just like an empty and pointless Obama speech, they use the same language, the same message, the same formula which amounts to one thing and one thing only -- vote for Obama.

Obama needs to understand that he's already got the adulation of the only zombies susceptible to his brand of brainwashing. Most Americans are independent thinkers and they're not buying his snake oil.

But we can add one more to the formula. Whenver a poster points out one of the obvious Obama camp ploys, they are attacked.
------------------------------------------------

And here we go with the formulaic paid blogger posts again. "I am a senior citizen female for Obama." "Think about America if you vote for McCain, don't be selfish."

...

Posted by: Lynn | May 31, 2008 2:40 PM


...said the obvious plant.

Posted by: | May 31, 2008 2:57 PM

Posted by: Lynn | May 31, 2008 3:31 PM

Dean,
If you want Party UNITY, then you COUNT ALL THE VOTES as the voters chose in Michigan and Florida....
OR DO NOT COUNT ANY OF THEM INCLUDING SOUTH CAROLINA, New HAMPSHIRE, and THE OTHER STATES THAT WENT EARLY!!!!


This is ALL or NOTHING! YOU CHEATED BY ONLY PUNISHING FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN! CHEATING WILL NOT MAKE OBAMA OUR CANDIDATE! NOT EVER! It just gave him a totally UNFAIR advantage! SHAME ON THE CHEATING DNC!

Posted by: COUNT ALL OR NONE | May 31, 2008 3:29 PM

Dean was True to the Party!

Posted by: caseyjonesed | May 31, 2008 3:28 PM

If the Democratic Party wants to throw Hillary a bone even knowing her positions changed after she lost the "inevitability" roll to Obama when she fell behind, it will only appease her until she goes after poland.

I saw and that it was hillarious to see the movie about the rise and fall of hitler with an ending scene of Hitler screaming at and blaming his advisors in german with subtitles changed to make it sound like Hillary yelling at and blaming her advisors...

Classic.

Rule, order, and logic are hard for any truly competitive party to accomplish. However, to avoid throwing the election to the party with great differences from your own priorities... that is part of the challenge.

I say maybe throw half a bone at Florida, but not regarding Michigan. Hillary would be allowed to illogically change the rules in both contests? Nope.... that would be nonsense.

Posted by: eljefejesus | May 31, 2008 3:25 PM

Put this in your favorites and check frequently.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 3:22 PM

I have beenwatching the hearings on CSPAN so I dont have to head the cable spon in between and it is complety ovbious tome
that the DNC and no other entity either stat or candiate ; is COMPLETELY responsible for this debacle
and they shuold just allow the votes as they stand . I am sorry that the obamanites and the edwardiots took their name off the ballot to humiliate Hillary but she left her name on to let the Michigan voters she cared .

Posted by: Swannie | May 31, 2008 3:21 PM

To all you Hillary fans threatening to go to McCain...

Do you think McCain "respects" Hillary? He stands for everything she does not. He is in a party that has almost NO females in power, expect for the token Condie Rice. Did you look at the line-up of 12 presidental candidates? What did you see?

As importantly, have you heard how his right-wing media ridicule Hillary? When was the last time you listened to Rush? To Ann Coulter? To Lara Ingram? To Fox News? Talk about disrespect. And you want to vote for him and his machine? How does supporting Hillary mean voting for everything she does NOT believe in?

Lastly, do you think you will be doing Hillary a favor by helping to lose the White House for the democrats? If this happens, she will be personna non-grata in the democratic party and she will have NO CHANCE of ever running again. Do you really think that this she what she wants? Really?

I realize you are all angry, but your anger is counter-productive and hurtful to YOU, your country and the world. Obama can't win without your vote and Hillary can't win without mine. I, however, plan to support the winner of the democratic nomination, whomever it may be, because the alternative would be unthinkable. Please consider doing the same. The only way to respect Hillary and her awesome contributions -- today and in the future -- is to do the same.

Posted by: Very, very sad | May 31, 2008 3:21 PM

Apparently, the DNC rules committee, under the leadership of the famous Park Ave elitist Dr. Howard Dean, have over exercised it's power in invalidating the FL and MI primaries. In the case of FL, it was not the fault of the Dem. voters and they should not be punished by such heavy handed measures. Since both FL and MI are important swing states for the GE, and the Dem. voters are unhappy with these punishments from DNC, this has worsen the chance for Obama in winning these two important states in GE since Obama and his surrogates were strong defenders of such heavy handed punishment to FL and MI voters

Posted by: austin b | May 31, 2008 3:19 PM

If democrats lose the election in November, it is going to be because of the bad behavior of Hillary Clinton supporters.

I am a middle aged white female. I think Hillary ran one of the most embarrassing and, yes, POORLY MANAGED campaigns in a long time.

First she assumed she had a devine right to the nomination and blew all her money up front. Second, she was late to set up offices in key states thinking the race would already be over. Third, when things started to go south she cryed. Erghhh! Forth, when things really started to go south, she looked to a man, her husband, to bail her out. Fifth, she couldn't control her man and he said some really awful things, more than once. Sixth, she then played the race card, the feminist card and the assassination card. Lastly, she tried to change the rules (rules she agreed to up front), not once, but every time the rules got away from her.

Now she has convinced all too many people she's been screwed. Face it, she ran a weak campaign. She lost and she MOSTLY did it to herself.

To all of you Hillary supporters going to McCain -- you're nuts. Four more years of being one of the most hated nations in the world. More war (watch out for Iran --McCain and Leiberman are just itching to go there). More conservative supreme court judges. More deficits. More government soley in favor of big business. More lead covered toys. No environmental policy, but more drilling. More Wall Street bailouts, but God forbid any help be given to main street. Higher gas prices, higher food prices...and so on.

Hillary's arguments over the past two months have been extremely damaging to the party. For what? So that if she can't have the nomination, no other democrat can be president? Great legacy. How stupid.

With all that said, I think Hillary is an extremely bright and knowledgeable person. IF she can convince all you angry women to vote democratic in November, than I think she can play an important and valuable role in the next democratic White House. Here's hoping.

Posted by: Very, very sad | May 31, 2008 3:18 PM

Hillary and Obama are close to 95% alike on the critical issues. They have relatively small differences in how they would implement their strategies.

McCain represents something entirely different. A very different supreme court, whose members are appointed for life terms - far beyond the 2012 election. A very different outlook on healthcare and education. A very different outlook on the war in Iraq, and potentially Iran. A very different foreign policy. A very different economic outlook - gas tax notwithstanding.

Before either Obama or Clinton supporters take the tantrum route and vote McCain, you have to consider the future impact.

As an Independent voter, I may have a wish to vote a preferred 3rd party candidate, or write in Democrat that is not the party's nominee, that only moves the election to McCain's side. If he succeeds, we will live in a very different America than under either Clinton or Obama.

Posted by: Robert | May 31, 2008 3:17 PM

People from Michigan and Florida are DEMANDING that all of the votes count! Interesting - not all of the men and women who registered as Democrats voted because that knew that the votes would not count. Why - they were aware that the rules had been broken.

What about their votes? Most candidates did not campaign and/or took their names off of the ballots in these states because they were following the rules.

Now all of the men and women who did not vote to remain in integrity will be disenfranchised. BUT the Hillary crowd doesn't care! All they want to do is raise a ruckus and be destructive.

As was said so long ago: "Can't we all just get along?"

Rules are rules - whether it is cutting in line at the movie or following the rules as all agreed prior to the beginning of this "silly season" - Rules are rules.

Posted by: MizuInOZ | May 31, 2008 3:16 PM

Clintoonian logic:

I was before the vote after I was behind it, er - I was afore the behind before I were instead of it, er - stealthevote.com

Posted by: FlailingDemoKlown | May 31, 2008 3:14 PM

Clinton needs to disappear with her lying ( definintion of what "is" is ) , impeached , playboy ex-persiodent hillbilly husband and let America get on with doing what needs to be done to get a real president !

Posted by: US Voter | May 31, 2008 3:08 PM

"The women of America will vote their discontent in November - by depriving the Party of the White House."

Then the women of America are just plain stupid.

Do the women of America care that MY VOTE IN MICHIGAN wouldn't count under the Clinton proposal?

Of course not.

Keep posting the selfish beliefs that aren't about democracy, "ladies". You're proving your candidate isn't worth spit.

Posted by: Susan B. | May 31, 2008 3:08 PM

Hello,
I hear ALOT of people say Hillary should abide by the DNC "rules" and bow out of the election.
I guess it depends on who makes up the rules?
THE SUPREME COURT AND THE CONSTITUTION SAY EVERY AMERICAN HAS THE RIGHT TO HAVE THEIR VOTE COUNT!!
Florida should have ALL their delegates seated.Michigan should be a REVOTE,(Since Obama
took his name off the ballot),or ALL the delegates should be seated,(it's Obamas fault he took his name off the ballot,probably because he knew he'd lose anyway!)
Dave F.
Pittsburgh

Posted by: David F. | May 31, 2008 3:05 PM

Let's face it, Barack Hussein is the leader of a congregation of racists that hate America and whites. Barack's congregation also hates educated and successful white women like Hillary and have no manners or respect for others.

...

Posted by: Manolete | May 31, 2008 2:48 PM


He's not a leader of any congregation at all. And the fact that you're pushing the whole "Hussein" thing just serves to show your xenophobia. Sad.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 3:01 PM

And here we go with the formulaic paid blogger posts again. "I am a senior citizen female for Obama." "Think about America if you vote for McCain, don't be selfish."

...

Posted by: Lynn | May 31, 2008 2:40 PM


...said the obvious plant.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 2:57 PM

Let's face it, Barack Hussein is the leader of a congregation of racists that hate America and whites. Barack's congregation also hates educated and successful white women like Hillary and have no manners or respect for others.

Barack's congregation claims to be religious, but is a religion of hate!

After eight years of George Bush, do you want to allow Barac's congregation of hate in the White House?

Would you like to invite Barack's congregation to your home, where your family and children live?

Disgusting Thought! Keep Barack Hussein out of the White House

Posted by: Manolete | May 31, 2008 2:48 PM

I don't understand why it is necessary to make such hurtful comments to each other - really.

Somebody let me know if they think it solves any problems - I'll be outside, relaxing.

Posted by: Buster | May 31, 2008 2:48 PM

And here we go with the formulaic paid blogger posts again. "I am a senior citizen female for Obama." "Think about America if you vote for McCain, don't be selfish."

You can go back and tell your boss Obama that the actual, mature, thinking Americans have no intention of pandering to his selfish ambition to be president, despite his drug use, despite his inexperience, despite his foreign policy naivete, despite his coalition of racist allies, despite his participation in polarizing the Democratic party.

We are thinking about what's best for America when we refuse to vote for Obama.

And we'll be thinking of the loud message we're sending to the Democratic party when wave goodbye to it the day they nominate this unelectable candidate.

Posted by: Lynn | May 31, 2008 2:40 PM

Considering the quality and invective of most of the comments I'm finding on the Washington Post and other websites either for or against any candidate, I conclude that those posters are mostly juveniles with the mentality of vandals.

The level of discourse needs to be moderated by a responsible adult at the Washington Post, so that thoughtful, meaningful responses to the articles won't be lost in a continual tidal wave of verbal vomit.

It sounds as if the Democratic Party's deliberations in Washington are proceeding in an orderly, systematic way; and that, if allowed to proceed according to this arrangement, will arrive at a fair resolution to the problem. I have confidence in the judgment and wisdom of the party delegates and officials.

Whoever manages to get the nomination has done so by using the political process to his/her best advantage. Under the careful and constant scrutiny of media "pundits," NO human being alive in America could emerge unscathed and undefiled. I will support the nominee who I believe will best represent the values I cherish and the vision I want for America. I have full respect for Senators Clinton, Obama, AND McCain for their records of service to this country and for undertaking this arduous pathway to public service that we refer to as campaigning.

The campaigning would be vastly improved if someone would undertake to muzzle these mad dogs in the media and the online forums.

Posted by: webranger47 | May 31, 2008 2:35 PM

"THE SUPREME COURT AND THE CONSTITUTION SAY EVERY AMERICAN HAS THE RIGHT TO HAVE THEIR VOTE COUNT!!"

The Supreme Court disagrees with you. Private organizations (such as the RNC and the DNC) are allowed to run their internal elections HOWEVER THEY WANT TO. It's called "freedom of association" and it's part of our Constitution.

See Tashjian v. Republican Party of Connecticut and Miller v. Brown.

Posted by: Ken | May 31, 2008 2:32 PM

Why did this article not point out that Hillary violated rules that she previously agreed to when she left her name on the ballot in Florida? Obama respected those rules, was true to his word, and Hillary was not.

Posted by: Erin | May 31, 2008 2:24 PM

ERIN YOU'RE AN IDIOT

Barry, edwards and clinton's name were all on the florida ballot.

By state law, they could not have their names removed.

U must be an Obamabot given how ignorant you are!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 2:31 PM

These comments are part of the Billhary Machine. It all sounds so post-menopausal. I have never seen such a selfish display of unfiltered hatred in my life. Be careful for what you wish for. You Hillites should tell the every increasing angry woman that...you don't change the rules,
AFTER YOU'VE LOST THE GAME!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 2:27 PM

Why did this article not point out that Hillary violated rules that she previously agreed to when she left her name on the ballot in Florida? Obama respected those rules, was true to his word, and Hillary was not.

Posted by: Erin | May 31, 2008 2:24 PM

For those of you who claim to be willing to vote for McCain if you can't vote for Hillary:

Step back a moment and consider what that could actually mean for this country: a supreme court dominated by young conservative right wing justices ready to overturn Roe v. Wade, approve holding US citizens and others at Gitmo without charges, a repeal of our civil rights - want more illegal wire tapping anyone?, erroding the strength of environmental regulations and laws,... and the list goes on and on. Not to mention the billions upon billions more of our grandchildren and great-grandchildren's money being squandered in Iraq. And lest we forget that 50 million Americans are uninsured - and your grandpa John wants to rely on the free market. To paraphrase Dr. Phil - how's that working for us?

Your vote will not just mean another four years of a Republican in the presidency. His policies and actions will have implications that will last for at least a generation, and will encumber our US budget for our descendents.

So, think before you pull that lever. It's not about you stamping your petulant little feet because you're angry that Hillary won't be your nominee. For once, don't be a selfish "ugly American", think beyond yourselves and what a McCain presidency could really mean.

Posted by: lms70 | May 31, 2008 2:24 PM

"I am a 69-year-old white woman, a life-long feminist"

Ugh! You, madam, are a cliche. It does seem as if ALL Obama supporters are proclaiming themselves to be 60-ish white, "life-long feminists."

I wonder if -- even at your age -- you know what a "feminist" actually is. Because it was confrontation that gave us such progress as we eventually made, not just sitting in the kitchen stroking ourselves with some faux descriptor like "life-ling feminist"

Posted by: prettierthanyou | May 31, 2008 2:23 PM

The level of discourse in the posts I have read is like a kindergarten
recess.The ones who hate Obama and would vote for another 4 years of Bush are amazing. The best thing they can do is insult people who disagree with them. As a 73 year old Korean war veteran (17 MONTHS IN COUNTRY) and a person with a GED I guess I fit the
profile of an "uneducated, white male".But I do not have the curse of racisim that is the subtext for so many people who HATE Obama.
As this country tears itself apart with anger and bitterness and partisan reasoning I mourn. And the rest of the world laughs at our small minded country and our meanness.
$5 dollars gas, no health care for millions of children, the sadness of Katrina, an economy that is going down the tube,a war that has no end, a deficit that is mind blowing, Guantanamo, more Scalia and Thomases on the Supreme Court, 2 million people locked up and environmental disaster around the corner and you people have time to insult and demean other people for their opinions! AMAZING!!! and DISMAYING.
Sign me,
Discouraged and
Depressed.

Posted by: pete | May 31, 2008 2:20 PM

"It would not be right to seat all delegates. That would send a message to the states that they can hold their 2012 primaries in 2011 or whenever they like and get a lot of publicity and a shot at being "first" in the nation. I hope that Rules and Bylaws comes up with a solution that will prevent this mad rush for early primaries. This primary season is becoming another long, national nightmare."

First of all, it's hardly a "long, national nightmare." Only histrionics think that way.

Second, you can hardly blame Florida and Michigan for wanting to move their primary dates forward when we have all seen how the DNC tried to truncate the primary season be attempting to get Obama declared the nominee prematurely. What it boils down to, is that quite often, the states who don't vote early, don't vote at all.

Posted by: LiveFromNewYork | May 31, 2008 2:18 PM

Howard Dean drives a partisan wedge through the party, then "pleads for party unity?" That's nice work if you can get it. While I suspect that Dean, Pelosi and Co. will inevitably scapegoat Clinton -- even if she spends the rest of the year locked in a soundproof room in Tierra del Fuego -- when Obama loses big in November,I hope that party regulars will understand where the fault really lies, and vote the rascals out. Dean, Pelosi and Reid need to be put where they can do no further harm.

Posted by: LiveFromNewYork | May 31, 2008 2:13 PM

Oh now Dean wants unity after "do nothing" Pelosi and all the other hacks at the top of the Democratic party in their biased efforts to derail Hillary suddenly need her supporters to back Obama. NO! I am leaving the Democratic party and registering as an Independent and all of Hillary's supporters should do the same! I'm voting for Nader if Hillary is not on the ticket. The ONLY way Obama gets MY vote is if Hillary is on that ticket.

Posted by: Hillary All the Way | May 31, 2008 2:11 PM

It is hard to believe we are even saying things like "Florida matters" wow of course Florida matters! it is a HUGE swing state with massive electoral votes in the general election. Good job Dean and the DNC screwing this up! HILLARY IS THE ONE, SHE KNEW!!!

Posted by: Hillary All the Way | May 31, 2008 2:08 PM

Posted by: slavicdiva | May 31, 2008 1:57 PM
"We have had one purportedly "charming" figurehead president for the last 8 years, whose strings I suspect were pulled by Cheney. I do not want another."
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I totally agree with you. As for myself, if Hillary Clinton is not the nominee than I will vote for McCain and vote down ballot Democratic to keep him in check. Hopefully the Dems get it right in 2012.
As for Dean, Pelosi and Reid show them the door that are complete arse wholes.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 2:08 PM

I SECOND THE MOTION !!!!

Attention: Everybody's who has been threating and vowing to vote for McCain for weeks:

Just shut up and do it! Stop posting and whining and get out and work for McCain because it's over. Hillary is not going to be the nominee.

As a loyal democrat, I'm thrilled to see you go!!

Posted by: TR | May 31, 2008 2:02 PM

Supposedly this is a Democracy. In reality and practice it is an authoritarian system similar to Fascism. However, the Fascist are on the ultra conservative right and not the left. On the right racism is alive and well. Unfortunately on the left, as Hillary and Bill have demonstrated, racism is also alive and well-- as well as desperation; desperate people do desperate things in time of crisis.
Religion is a very private matter; it should not be involved in the political process. However, as we have seen the neo-cons have created the Party of God--the Republican Party; a state without a nation. Obama has the right to run for President and win, if he can. He will be an improvement over the last seven years and six months

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 1:59 PM

Florida and Michigan matters. Lets count each vote. Senator Hillary Clinton is the strongest candidate in November. Vote smart.
Vote for Senator Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: mmarii | May 31, 2008 1:59 PM

Both candidates have baggage. In my view, Obama's latest pastor-disaster dooms him in a general election. Like it or not, the majority of people are shocked and appalled by the performances of these so-called "men of God" - in church, even! - and Obama's long association with them does not sit well with many. I doubt that any candidate having a 20-year close friendship with someone who demonized all black people would stand a chance.

Most mainstream Christians are accustomed to hearing sermons referencing the Bible and its lessons, which feature a loving, forgiving God who teaches that we should aspire to be better than our basest instincts, treat one another as we would like to be treated, and so forth. No surprise, then, that the kind of language employed by Wright and Pflueger is unacceptable to a majority of people. Like it or no, tradition or no, demonizing and mocking fellow citizens does not inspire mainstream people to support these pastors' close friend - and to be electable, a candidate must be acceptable to a majority of his or her fellow citizens. Candidates who embrace radicalism, including radical theologies, are not likely to appeal to a majority.

For me, the question of Obama's electability has little to nothing to do with his race, and I am tired of being called a racist because I have questions about him. I don't trust him, partly because of his unsavory associations, but mostly because he appears incapable of coherent speech when away from the teleprompter. He looks too much like an attractive puppet for others' words - sort of like a TV news anchor. A president must be able to think on his or her feet, and Obama plainly cannot. He stumbled and mumbled through the debates, and regularly refuses to answer even simple questions - his answer is always "Wait till I give a speech" or "We'll have a press avail about that." Why can't he just answer the question? Why must he wait to read what someone else has written, and who is telling him what to say?

We have had one purportedly "charming" figurehead president for the last 8 years, whose strings I suspect were pulled by Cheney. I do not want another.

Posted by: slavicdiva | May 31, 2008 1:57 PM

I"WE" agree with the poster that said, "if you are going to vote for Mr. McCain if Mrs. Clinton does not win, then vote for just vote for McCain and stop posting." That is exactly how a lot of us feel. Also, you have alloud haterd, and anger to put one person above OUR party, and we do not wish to engage you in any way. Remember this is America, so go a vote for whom ever, but remember like I you must also live here. I leave it to you.

Posted by: We The People | May 31, 2008 1:55 PM

Every state in the Union followed the rules except Florida and Michigan. If the states are not punished for moving the primaries up then in the next election more states will move their primaries up. All the candidates knew the rules and should now abide by the rules, changing the rules after the contests only encourages more states to move their primaries up and break the rules to0.

Posted by: Scott | May 31, 2008 1:52 PM

The sad reality is that, now we understand that all the Hillary Clinton haters rushed to vote for Barack Obama as a way to express their "anybody, but Hillary sentiment". Their vote was driven by emotion and Barack could had been "anybody".

The sad reality is that, as the Hillary-haters got to know the "real" Barack Hussein and the endless list of his close family and friends that share a pattern of hate for America and the desire to overthrow the american values and lifestyle as we know it;

The sad reality is that, Barack's early supporters now find themselves in a very difficult situation as they have realized their vote for him has brought close to the american presidency, an extremist supremacist group of individuals lead by Barack Hussein Obama.

The sad reality is that, americans that love our country have only one choice if Barack gets the democratic nomination:
They can choose not to vote and sit back at home or...they vote for John McCain, a patriot american that loves America and risked his life to preserve democracy.

The sad reality is that, we know that Barack Hussein Obama is unelectable!

Posted by: Manolete | May 31, 2008 1:51 PM

Can't stand the sight or sound of preachy smug Obama sermonizing at us, wagging his finger, nagging endlessly.

He's more nagging and irritating to listen to than Bush.

Can't stand how he's always cramming his religion down our throats.

We have separation of church and state in this country.

We're not all Obama's [toxic] religion.

Posted by: Preaching nagging finger-pointing Obama | May 31, 2008 1:49 PM

Say NO to Barry-O. If not Hillary for the DEMS, I for the first time vote GOP: McCain. Barry can go back to his racist friends at Trinity United.

Posted by: dossier | May 31, 2008 1:47 PM

The conduct of the superdelegates and DNC is in defiance and repudiatiion of the Democratic nomination process. The biased pro-Obama media interfered in and undermined the Democratic nomination process. Sen. Clinton's campaign was intentionally sabotaged by misogynism.. The Democratic Party will be a train wreck. Obama will crash and burn in November because her supporters will (1.) WRITEHILLARYIN.COM (2.)vote for McCain (3.)unlikely, not vote.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 1:47 PM

John McCain, you are missing a golden opportunity to swoop in and start courting the Clinton base.

Posted by: Dems turning Independent | May 31, 2008 1:45 PM

That's sweet, Brian - and we're sure your intentions are genuine.

However, it was the hand of Obama's campaign behind-the-scenes stirring up the ugly, untrue media stories about Clinton.

Obama is the most dangerous kind of candidate because he has people convinced he is different and on the high road, but he is not. Obama comes from the heart of the dirtiest political machine in America - Chicago. That machine is driving his campaign.

America will find out too late if this guy gets elected.

Ironically, Obama is running on the same platform as Bush 2000. The "Washington outsider," the "uniter" etc.

Look how that turned out.

Posted by: Insider | May 31, 2008 1:42 PM

I'm intrigued by the patronizing comment here that "ungrateful African-Americans" turned on Clinton after "all she has done for them". Without African-Americans, Bill and Hillary Clinton never would have been president and first lady, so why does the writer assume the gratitude should go in one direction? Or does he/she think that white people automatically deserve the leadership role, and others should know their place?

Posted by: paulette | May 31, 2008 1:39 PM

Party "unity" should include honoring the process of the primary and convention. Instead of screaming "Obama is ahead now by a nose. Anyone who doesn't quit now is tearing the party apart!"

A "convention" means bringing the delegates together to decide who gets the nomination. All these calls by party "leaders" for delegates to decide early are senseless. What's the rush? Give everyone til late summer and they may have a better idea who is best suited to beat the Republicans. The BIG problem was starting so darn early hoping candidates would drop out by "Super Tuesday". That was the leadership's decision, and in retrospect, it seems to have been the cause of all the so-called "disunity". Don't blame the candidates who are still in the race, it's their right to keep running.

Posted by: Roger | May 31, 2008 1:38 PM

Anyone ever wondered about the mentality of the Clinton supporters? Even in our various households we try to avoid them. Reason: They are all difficult to reason along with. Their stupidity is bliss.

Posted by: Scarce | May 31, 2008 1:37 PM

Hillary and her band of cultwack followers are going to destroy the Democratic Party. She has until Tuesday. After that, if she is losing (which is 100 % certain), she need to get out.

Posted by: POed Lib | May 31, 2008 1:36 PM

Go Operation Chaos!

Posted by: Mike | May 31, 2008 1:35 PM

It's astounding to me that so many Hillary supporters would rather vote for McCain than Obama. Why would you want to vote for a war-mongering, angry, two-faced white male over Obama, who has been nothing but positive and consistent throughout the campaign? If you want to stretch these last 8 years into 12, go right ahead and vote for McCain. You will be sorry 4 years from now when we're in a deeper recession, still have no plan to exit Iraq, and have been enduring over a decade of tax cuts for the wealthy and excessive defense spending. McCain has proven he will do and say anything to win his party's nomination. He can't be trusted and I wouldn't vote for him even if Ralph Nader were my only other option.

Posted by: Patti Reis | May 31, 2008 1:35 PM

Oh, yeah - we forgot Nader is also an option.

Maybe Clinton should run on McCain's ticket. That would balance things out nicely.

That would be a powerhouse ticket.

After all, the Democratic party screwed her over big time.

And, the ungrateful African-American community irrationally turned on her after all the Clintons did for them with typical tired, shrill accusations of phantom (non-existent) racism.

Posted by: Clinton ... on McCain ticket? | May 31, 2008 1:33 PM

I don't see why you guys are so mad at Obama. If you want to be mad, be mad at the media for the way Clinton is treated. Obama has done his best to keep the campaign positive. I am more of an idealist and I like the energy he has inspired in the American people.

Posted by: brian | May 31, 2008 1:32 PM

Erin, BOTH Obama and Clinton were on the Florida ballot...please get your facts straight before you post any commentary.

Posted by: Get your facts right please | May 31, 2008 1:32 PM

New to this country, I've learned one thing very quickly... "it ain't over till it's litigated". Hillary has demonstrated to me that in all aspects of American life: laws mean nothing, rules mean nothing and most of all integrity mean nothing at all. Nothing here means nothing until it's been dragged through the courts over and over again until all interests are vanquished, all sense of justice has been abandoned and all and any victory becomes pyrrhic.

Posted by: barnum boy | May 31, 2008 1:31 PM

A lot of republicans are pretending to be Hillary follower - Most of the hate commits are Republicans - they are trying to split the party

Posted by: ghm | May 31, 2008 1:29 PM

All,

IT is simple to settle down this issue. We have 30 members in DNC commitee. Now we just set up for a vote bettween two plans 100% restores vote in FL & Michigan or 50%.
(period)
GoodLUCK AMerica!

Posted by: USAmatermind | May 31, 2008 1:24 PM

Although Hillary Clinton is now in full-blown damage-control mode, the obvious literal interpretation of what she said is "Hey, if I just hang in there a little bit longer, some bigoted dork will put a bullet through Obama and I'll have a clear path to the Democratic nomination and to the Presidency."

Maybe she misspoke -- although she misspoke similarly at least once before. Or maybe it was a Freudian slip? Barack Obama, charitable as usual, attributed her remark to campaign fatigue, and no doubt that was part of the explanation for it.

Can we really get to sing "Ding, dong, the witch is dead" within the foreseeable future, when Clinton finally-finally quits the race?

Posted by: oldhonky | May 31, 2008 1:20 PM

Hillary agreed to the rules about Florida and Michigan.
Hillary signed a statement to that effect.
Hillary publicly stated her agreement with the rules.
The rules provided 0 delegates for Florida and Michigan.
The elections in Florida & Michigan were in no way fair--even more so in Michigan.
Florida and Michigan should get zero delegates until the election is decided---just as Hillary wanted, before it became to her advantage to dismiss her own opinion for political gain.
She will stop at nothing to win. I'm just waiting to see what the next outrage will be.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 1:19 PM

Oh, Howard Dean is going to get his unity if Clinton doesn't win the nomination.

Hoardes of unified Democrats will be unified in their decision to change their party affiliation.

This is the only way we know to send a loud and strong message to the Democratic party that we are tired of their inability to nominate a candidate who can - and should - win a general election.

Posted by: Lynn | May 31, 2008 1:16 PM

Let me put forward an alternate viewpoint.

Howard Dean is a leader who has made us proud to be Democrats; whose stance on Iraq has become (in part by his leadership) the majority opinion of the entire country (not just the Dems); and whose vision of a Democratic Party competitive in all 50 states has brought us to the brink of a victory the entire country can enjoy.

If we don't screw it up.

Posted by: BC | May 31, 2008 1:13 PM

Aspergirl -- You seem to expend a lot of energy to say little that makes any difference. In fact, when I see your name on a post, I immediately scroll past, knowing that you have little of importance to say.

Sue -- I am a 69-year-old white woman, a life-long feminist -- although neither a confrontational nor radical one, a Democrat since 1960, yes - I am a highly educated person , and I live on under $15,000 dollars a year. I suppose I fit the typical Clinton demographic, but I'm an Obama supporter. I hardly think that I'm the "newer younger, wealthier elite" person that you have generalized in describing Obama supporters.

If both of you wish to support four more years of conservative leadership both in the administration and in the judicial system, by all means vote for John McCain. That is your right. But I also have the same right, and I choose to support someone who represents my vision and my ideals. I will vote for the Democratic candidate, regardless of who that person is.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 12:56 PM

Howard Dean has put forth some reasonable criteria to be used for settling this insane issue. Ironically, the issue revolves around those who chose to ignore the original criteria set out by the DNC and ignored by the party infrastructures in MI and FL.

The solution to the problem here is very difficult but HRC supporters (and the candidate herself) aren't making things any easier. It is no wonder HRC's base of support is dominated by relatively uneducated (and therefore emotionally dominated) individuals who behave like Bush -stay the course no matter what -for the sake of loyalty to dogma and ideological nonsense.

But it is certain that the DNC will destroy the party of they co-tow to HRC's bizarre game. Obama has all but wrapped this thing up so the outcome of the current circus side show will demonstrate what the Democratic party is all about - or not. What will they sacrifice for the sake of so-called "party unity"?

Posted by: Les H | May 31, 2008 12:54 PM

"[Dean] also criticized "blatant sexist comments" and "blatantly racist remarks" that have been aimed at the two candidates during the campaign."

Seems to those who are paying attention that both the "blatantly sexist comments" and "blatantly [black] racist remarks" have both been aimed at Clinton, while Obama has been virtually untouchable.

Posted by: AsperGirl | May 31, 2008 12:51 PM

I have to say that after all these months and long consideration, there is one thing that is clear in a lot of people's minds by now.

Howard Dean is a jackass who should be ignored and, if he can't be ignored, hated.

Posted by: AsperGirl | May 31, 2008 12:48 PM

Can you imagine a "leader of the free" world who tells the world "agreements" (treaties) and rules (constitutions) don't matter... I it all about what I want. How is Clinton different than GWB?

Posted by: Larry Mason | May 31, 2008 12:47 PM

Attention: Everybody's who has been threating and vowing to vote for McCain for weeks:

Just shut up and do it! Stop posting and whining and get out and work for McCain because it's over. Hillary is not going to be the nominee.

As a loyal democrat, I'm thrilled to see you go!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 12:46 PM

Nobody among the top democrats really is interested in bringing Bill Clinton back to the Whitehouse. That was the catch that nobody seemed to notice. If not Obama somebody should have won the nomination instead. Even if Hillary won the pledge delegates in the primaries, the super delegates would still turn the tide around for her opponent. It was simply a premeditated outcome of the elite dems' knights of the round table because they know that this is their moment to seize the presidency and Obama was their man right from the very start.

Posted by: kamukako | May 31, 2008 12:45 PM

It would not be right to seat all delegates. That would send a message to the states that they can hold their 2012 primaries in 2011 or whenever they like and get a lot of publicity and a shot at being "first" in the nation.

I hope that Rules and Bylaws comes up with a solution that will prevent this mad rush for early primaries. This primary season is becoming another long, national nightmare.

I hope that MI and FL are stipped of more than 1/2 their votes and/or delegates. It's got to hurt them at least a bit or else they will repeat this stunt and other states will follow. The officials there who allowed the early primaries to happen should join that great great of people who disenfranchise others---Ken Blackwell, Katherine Harris, Jeb Bush. I know of plenty of people in Michigan, next door to me, who did not bother to vote because they trusted the DNC that their vote would count for nothing.

Posted by: nctyler | May 31, 2008 12:38 PM

As former lifelong Democrats, this household will be voting for McCain in November. Dean and his sidekick Donna can have what's left of the Democratic Party with their new younger, more educated, wealthier elite members. As someone whose household income is $500,000/year, we should be proud members of that club; however, we are just disgusted. And there will be no party unity or coming together to back "the chosen one"

Posted by: Sue | May 31, 2008 12:36 PM

First, rather than just claim Howard Dean is a jackass, if you could provide some evidence it might go a long way to... you know... showing something.

Secondly, the Clinton's campaign against Obama is solely on the notion that he cant win white racist voters. If you read the transcripts of Kentucky or WV acceptance speeches you can find concrete evidence if you care to look.

Thirdly, the sexism has also primarily come from the Clinton camp as she and her minions repeatedly attempt to make people believe Obama and the men of the nation are trying to push her out of the race because she is a woman. While not traditional in method, if that is not the use of sexism to make a political point nothing is.

Dean is a wonderful figurehead for the Democratic Party and has behaved pristinely thought this process that would have tried the best of souls.

Posted by: JDR | May 31, 2008 12:33 PM

go obama

Posted by: jhamm | May 31, 2008 12:32 PM

for all this years, african americans have been voting for democrats, the minute one of them is runing seriosly every white democrat have hard time acepting it what a grate party

Posted by: Boston | May 31, 2008 12:28 PM

Howard Dean is a great guy and we are lucky to have him in the Democratic party.

This story is not really about Howard Dean.

I look forward to the day when bloggers get real and stick to the facts.

Posted by: weather2050 | May 31, 2008 12:25 PM

We will never vote for Obama.

If not Clinton, then McCain.

This is not a "heat of the moment" decision, as cable news keeps insisting.

McCain would be better than the Oba-Mafia.

Posted by: Never Obama | May 31, 2008 12:24 PM

I AM HAPPY TO SEE WHITE AMERICANS ARE LOSERS. DID I SAY AMERICANS NOT READY FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT?
WOMEN IS THE BEST!
Guess what I meant?
GOOD LUCK!

Posted by: USAmatermind | May 31, 2008 12:21 PM

I AM HAPPY TO SEE WHITE AMERICANS ARE LOSERS. DID I SAY AMERICANS NOT READY FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT?
WOMEN IS THE BEST!
Guess what I meant?
GOOD LUCK!

Posted by: USAmatermind | May 31, 2008 12:21 PM

unity? given obama and his crews hatred and nastiness.

I'll be voting Nadar.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 12:20 PM

Aspergirl, you are so right on both comments [and also hilarious.]

NO-bama.

Posted by: Ditto to Aspergirl | May 31, 2008 12:20 PM

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