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As you wait for results to roll in tonight in Kentucky and Oregon, check out these graphic analyses of where, in each state, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are strongest.


By Web Politics Editor  |  May 20, 2008; 4:30 PM ET
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Obama '08:

I didn't hear Barack HUSSEIN Obama say "I accept the nomination". Did you?

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Kentucky is a RED STate and won't go to a Democratic Nominee ANYWAY!!!! However, Oregon is a SWING STATE, Virgina is a SWING STATE, IOWA is a RED STATE....we can go on and on.....The democratic nominee is not chosen by the popular vote...SHE/HE is nominated by the PLEDGED Delegates and the supers won't overturn the States Voters....hahahaha....Bring it on home OBAMA...Bring it on HOME...Do it for Ted Kennedy

Posted by: Obama '08 | May 20, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Kentucky is a RED STate and won't go to a Democratic Nominee ANYWAY!!!! However, Oregon is a SWING STATE, Virgina is a SWING STATE, IOWA is a RED STATE....we can go on and on.....The democratic nominee is not chosen by the popular vote...SHE/HE is nominated by the PLEDGED Delegates and the supers won't overturn the States Voters....hahahaha....Bring it on home OBAMA...Bring it on HOME...Do it for Ted Kennedy

Posted by: Obama '08 | May 20, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama '08:

Just don't get too disappointed when Barack HUSSEIN Obama doesn't say "I accept the nomination" ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

It's almost OVER OBAMA....just hang in there baby, the cloud of dust from the Road Runner Race is behind you and you are ALMOST the Democratic Nominee...We luv you!!! Keep on pushing....

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

CNN just called Kentucky for Hillary DIANE Clinton!!!

hahaha....."what ashame, it doesn't bring her a** any closer to the clenching the nominee.....Obama will say his victory speech and accept the nomination tonight...Good night folks It's CURTAINS!! Let the general election begin!!!! YEAh!!!!

This is great.....Clinton can't claim the popular vote because when you factor in ALL of the states that didn't break the rules and played by the party rules...you'll see that she is lying...she didn't win the popular vote....she is actually behind by 700,000 votes. Let's see how much Obama wins in OR and the polls show that he did VERY good in OR...so he may, once again knock Hillary's win and still be up by 700,000 votes....this is great so ALL Obama supporters stay tuned...Obama will be speaking in an hour to claim THE Democratic nomination....YES WE CAN!!!

Posted by: Obama '08 | May 20, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

(CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton on Tuesday thanked her supporters for handing her a victory in Kentucky "even in the face of some pretty tough odds."

Sen. Hillary Clinton celebrates her win with supporters in Louisville, Kentucky.

With 90 percent of precincts reporting, Clinton was leading Sen. Barack Obama by 35 percentage points.

Her landslide victory comes as Obama is poised to take a majority of the pledged delegates after votes are tallied in Oregon.

"Tonight we have achieved an important victory," Clinton said in Louisville.

"It's not just Kentucky bluegrass that's music to my ears. It's the sound of your overwhelming vote of confidence even in the face of some pretty tough odds."

Watch Clinton vow to keep going »

Clinton beat Obama across all age groups, income groups and education levels in Kentucky.

Eighty-nine percent of Tuesday's voters in Kentucky were white, according to the exit polls. Among them, Clinton won 72-22 percent. Nine percent of the voters were African-American and they overwhelmingly broke for Obama, 87-7 percent.

The exit polls from Kentucky also suggest a deep division among Democrats. Watch how Clinton's win could affect the race »

Two-thirds of Clinton's supporters there said they would vote Republican or not vote at all rather than for Obama, according to the polls.

Forty-one percent of Clinton supporters said they'd cast their vote for John McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, and 23 percent said they would not vote at all.

Just 33 percent said they would back Obama in the general election, according to the polls.

Those numbers are even worse for Obama than in West Virginia one week ago, where 36 percent of Clinton voters said they would back him in the fall.

A majority of Democrats in both states think Obama will be the party's nominee, according to exit polls.

Obama's campaign sees the two contests as a milestone in the protracted fight with Clinton, who continues to campaign hard.

"This is a very important threshold today, having the majority of pledged delegates. ... We're excited about it, but it doesn't mean it's the end," said Tom Daschle, former Senate majority leader and Obama's campaign co-chairman.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

lylepink:

If that were really the case, then I would definitely want Obama to get the nomination ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

The past five or so Primaries clearly show Hillary is the only Dem that can win in November 2008. The Electoral College Map is where you have to look.

Posted by: lylepink | May 20, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

fla voter (from the new thread):

"Obama is in BIG trouble tonight, losing support in every voting group. Obama is unqualified and unelectable.

Hillary has proven yet AGAIN she's the better candidate, she's won ALL of the must win states and Obama has won NONE of the must win states for the Dems in November.

The Dems would be foolish to nominate an unqualified and unelectable candidate Obama. Really, really foolish. Obama does not belong on the ticket at all.

The Democratic party has failed women and men by refusing to denounce the rampant sexism, classism, racism and voter disenfranchisement of Obama, his campaign and the media. In fact, they have been complicit. Women falsely believed that the Dem party stood for women's rights. We were wrong.

For us, it's Hillary, or McCain will be the payback for the Dem party and Dem officeholders betrayal of women.

Hillary Clinton deserves respect. She has earned it and we intend to give it to her.

Country first, party second. May God Bless America."

Posted by: Jack & Kate | May 20, 2008 8:18 PM

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Geraldine ANNE Ferraro says SHE may not vote for Barack HUSSEIN Obama ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse


Most of the show is on their website.

P.S. -- If you can find the SNL skit on-line (he was also on the "Weekend Update") it was hilarious!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 8:12 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Me either, but who poisons their own well? It makes no sense and I don't really believe it anyway. They won't do it regardless what they say now, especially when gas is approaching $6.00 by November.

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Well, then, fla voter -- as I said, I can't comment intelligently on the voting habits of Kentucky Democrats -- I guess there's always "Operation CHAOS" as an explanation ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 8:04 PM

Posted by: fla voter | May 20, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

P.S. -- If you can find the SNL skit on-line (he was also on the "Weekend Update") it was hilarious!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Well, then, fla voter -- as I said, I can't comment intelligently on the voting habits of Kentucky Democrats -- I guess there's always "Operation CHAOS" as an explanation ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

no I missed that, but I did see him on Daily Show... he got me as he knew I'm a big Dwight Schruit fan. I'm the one who suggested the Beet Farm Bed and Breakfast. Obviously, with another nom de plume, on another board.

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | May 20, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Because that is what we are discussing, voters who will switch just because their favorite didn't win. Even though there is no difference between the two candidates.

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fla voter:

I have never been "personally" impacted by abortion or same-sex marriage -- those are my top two domestic issues though -- so am I "voting against my own interests"? Besides, why do you just assume that ALL Democrats in Kentucky would "personally" do better with Obama as President rather than McCain?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:46 PM

Posted by: fla voter | May 20, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

By who, a bunch of silly people on an internet board? I doubt anyone is spray painting it on their houses. Who make life altering decisions based on internet boards? Or, based on what ever anyone says for that matter. People make decisions based on self interest and I have to believe any voter with a brain in their heads will do just that.

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Thanks, fla voter:
Maybe it's people tired of being called "racist" every time they tried to discuss the race? Or, they are pissed off at Obama for not agreeing to a re-vote in Florida and Michigan? Who knows? I'm an intelligent man, but I can't do much more than speculate exactly as to the voting habits of Democrats.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:29 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

P.S. to jakeD's shadow:

Did you see McCain address the "oldness" issue on "Saturday Night Live"?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Aren't there Democrats in Kentucky who are RICH racehorse owners and/or beer distributors?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

McCain is so old, back when he was a boy, the "Homeland" was just a collection of caves measured by how far the pteradactyl flies.

Posted by: jakeD's shadow | May 20, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

man, these Rodham Clinton bullet doggers are beating their proverbial meat like Iraqi prisoners over this Kentucky vote.

Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | May 20, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

fla voter:

I have never been "personally" impacted by abortion or same-sex marriage -- those are my top two domestic issues though -- so am I "voting against my own interests"? Besides, why do you just assume that ALL Democrats in Kentucky would "personally" do better with Obama as President rather than McCain?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

It's completely bazaar, to vote against what are their own interests. What are they proving and to who? Obama doesn't know them, what are they going to do stand on the side of the road with a sign, "I showed Obama you I voted for Mccain"? Send him a letter? What do they call it, "Cut off your nose to spite your face". It may be one of the stupidest human attributes. I just got an email by the way and I am going to see Obama in person on Friday in Sunrise Florida. I should add, I hate Hillary with a passion but if you think there is even a chance I would vote for Mccain if she was the candidate you would be crazy. I would vote for Hillary.


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Thanks, fla voter:

Maybe it's people tired of being called "racist" every time they tried to discuss the race? Or, they are pissed off at Obama for not agreeing to a re-vote in Florida and Michigan? Who knows? I'm an intelligent man, but I can't do much more than speculate exactly as to the voting habits of Democrats.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:29 PM

Posted by: fla voter | May 20, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

No one is bullying me.

P.S. That prior line should read: "I'm an educated man, but I'm afraid I can't speak intelligently about the voting habits of Kentucky Democrats."

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

now brigittpj, no need to attempt to bully my friend JakeD. You Nazies need to go back to whatever vat of excrement you crawled out of.

Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | May 20, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

fla voter:

To answer your first two questions now -- the voters are not necessary "stupid" since it could be other factors besides "bigotry" : )

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, fla voter:

Maybe it's people tired of being called "racist" every time they tried to discuss the race? Or, they are pissed off at Obama for not agreeing to a re-vote in Florida and Michigan? Who knows? I'm an intelligent man, but I can't do much more than speculate exactly as to the voting habits of Democrats.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Ok call me fla voter

You know what I said makes sense. THEY ARE THE SAME CANDIDATES. Why the hell would someone who would have voted for either one of them go so completely the other way, it makes no sense.

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Anonymous (can you at least pick a psedunym -- sp?):

Maybe they wanted a gas-tax holiday?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:19 PM

Posted by: fla voter | May 20, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous (can you at least pick a psedunym -- sp?):

Maybe they wanted a gas-tax holiday?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I would LOVE to hear him say "I accept the nomination" tonight. Be sure to listen REAL close, though, because that ain't gonna happen. It doesn't matter whether he gets "majority of the pledged delegates" tonight. She still holds the lead in the TOTAL POPULAR VOTE. So what?

Bottom line: it takes 2,026 (not counting Florida and Michigan) or 2,209 (counting Florida and Michigan) to become the presumptive Democratic nominee. Even the "presumptive" nominee doesn't make a boneheaded statement like "I accept the nomination" ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Seeing that both Hillary and Obama are essentially the same candidates on almost every issue how do you explain that? It can only be bigotry, what else can it be. You can't slide a playing card between them on issues. Are the voter REALLY that stupid?

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Two-thirds of Hillary Clinton's supporters in Kentucky say they would vote Republican or not vote at all rather than support Barack Obama, exit polls show.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/20/primary.wrap/index.html

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 6:23 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

CNN just called Kentucky for Hillary DIANE Clinton!!!

hahaha....."what ashame, it doesn't bring her a** any closer to the clenching the nominee.....Obama will say his victory speech and accept the nomination tonight...Good night folks It's CURTAINS!! Let the general election begin!!!! YEAh!!!!

Posted by: Clinton's GONE!!! | May 20, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

CNN just called Kentucky for Hillary DIANE Clinton!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

LOL -- what part of "exit polling" don't you understand -- they are, indeed, registered Democrats. Or, are you saying they are not TRUE Dems, like Catholics are not TRUE Christians?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

So what. They are not dems anywhy.

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Two-thirds of Hillary Clinton's supporters in Kentucky say they would vote Republican or not vote at all rather than support Barack Obama, exit polls show.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/20/primary.wrap/index.html

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 6:23 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Two-thirds of Hillary Clinton's supporters in Kentucky say they would vote Republican or not vote at all rather than support Barack Obama, exit polls show.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/20/primary.wrap/index.html

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

pablo.....Response to 96% comment:
Could hillary win if 96% of blacks vote for Mccain? A: yes, b/c the states that she wins in won't be determined by the black vote.
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My response:
Are you that un-informed....is this type of logic or lack there of, and what is meant by the pundits as Hilalry's supporters being unedcuated and not too intelligent...Did the logic or common sense every knock on your empty head to pose the reality that it's just not the 96% of the black vote that Barak Obama gets but in adddition another 50% of the white votes and the young votes....the only white vote that he doesn't get are those votes by angry peasants like yourself who could never bring your self to vote for a black person because of your own oppressions....your anger wouldn't allow you to vote for a black man and since your convictions are so deep, you need someone to blame...but white folks like myself and half of the whites that are voting for Barak Obama in the U.S. we are happy and proud of the opportunity to have a smart, young, articulate future President such as Obama. We aren't as insecure as the other 50% of racist white folks who are better known as Reagan Democrats and are the ones who voted for GWB. Don't you think that Mr. Obama and his extordinary campaign staff had already articulated prior to entering into the race that there would be folks like yourself out there who wouldn't vote for him? Why do you think that he set out to change the electoral map? His campaign strategist already had you folks' number...You've already been made...That's why no ones waisting their time with a bunch of loosers....

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else then?

Back on topic: the polls close in Kentucky at two different times because of the time change in the middle of the state, but all polls will be closed by 7 p.m. Eastern. When will CNN call the State for Hillary?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Every board has a class clown. JakeD is it. Please don't encourage him. If we ignore him, maybe he'll go back to feeding the squirrels or shuffleboard or something.

Posted by: steve boyington | May 20, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Acropolis Review has a summary of some good reasons why Obama will probably do well in Oregon tonight:
http://acropolisreview.com/2008/04/top-reasons-to-give-barack-obama-your.html

Posted by: Tina | May 20, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Of course, McCain cannot win if 96% of the white vote goes to his opponent -- see how easy it is to answer questions -- that is certainly less likely to happen, however, than race rioting and McCain getting 96% of the African-American vote should Hillary STEAL the nomination from Obama.

P.S. electoral-vote.com showed Kerry beating Bush at this point in the 2004 race too ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

all you need to do is go to www.electoral-vote.com to see how the Nov election will turn out. It's that easy.

If Obama gets the nomination, you will see a sea of red come Nov.

Posted by: pablo | May 20, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Response to 96% comment:

Could hillary win if 96% of blacks vote for Mccain?

A: yes, b/c the states that she wins in won't be determined by the black vote.

Obama relies on the black vote. Without it, he has no chance.

Why don't you answer a similarly absurd question:
Q: Can McCain win if 96% of the white vote goes to the Democrat?

Posted by: pablo | May 20, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

brigittepj:

Perhaps you should check the following site for information on how many of her donors are already TAPPED OUT at the maximum individual campaign contribution, including for the general election (I am anxiously awaiting the April fundraising info):

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.php

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

rShe has quite a large General warchest already and I'm sure she has plenty of rich backers that see her as the stronger of the three major candidates, as well as millions of us who have not yet contibuted to the General fund. I don't think money would be a problem.

Posted by: brigittepj | May 20, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

You're right, Hillary is the stronger candidate, that's why she's winning the nomination right now. Oh wait.

Posted by: TheGribbler | May 20, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Between brigitte and JakeD, I think we may have a winning thread here...

Silly season indeed.

Posted by: DC | May 20, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

You are forgetting the money -- the Clintons are not super-rich like Perot or Romeny -- her hypothetical Independent campaign would run out of funds much sooner than the already-PROVEN resevouir (sp?) he has tapped into.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Jake D,

So we should run the weaker candidate because we are being intimidated with the threat of race riots? Hum.., well, good luck with that. I certainly want no part of it.

He is less likely to go for a third party bid than she. He has the support of the party elites and they have blatanly kicked her to the curb. If I were her, I would have already dropped out and started campaigning as an independent, but that's just me.

Posted by: brigittepj | May 20, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

brigittepj:

You are forgetting that my hypothetical scenario probably includes race riots and maybe even a third party bid by Obama. Either way, McCain has got a foothold that NO REPUBLICAN should have had this time around.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

I don't know where you're getting your information, but she has consistently polled stronger than Obama against McCain in most national polls. He has lost the support of the majority of blue-collar Dems and is now losing the women over 50 crowd (the party's largest voting block).

She's got warts, but she is a much better candidate that Obama. There's still a lot of baggage that the MSM is ignoring, but the RNC will air on him.

Posted by: brigittepj | May 20, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I am getting sick and tired of race and gender being big issues in this campaign. It is wrong, Wrong, WRONG. Look at the candidates, their views and their integrity. Then make an informed decision.

Posted by: PRinNJ | May 20, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Well, if you think she's going to get the majority of ANY group (other than white females over the age of 65), you have another thing coming ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

Of course she can. Most African Americans live in the southern states, the Red states. They are more important in the primary than the general. Hillary has already won all the big Blue states without them in the primary. Now, take out the majority of the women's vote and you've got a real problem. That's why Hillary is the stronger candidate for the General.

Posted by: brigittepj | May 20, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

brigittepj:

Do you think she can win in November if 96% of African-Americans vote for McCain instead?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

My prayers to Senator Ted Kennedy. May you have a complete and swift recovery. Don't ever give up!

My prayers to Senator Clinton. May you be victorious tonight! Don't ever give up!

Posted by: brigittepj | May 20, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

HANG IN THERE, HILLARY DIANE CLINTON!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

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