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All's Well That Ends Well, if the Truce Holds

By Dan Balz
The Democratic nomination contest is now in its final weeks. If Tuesday's primary night speeches were any indication, it would take a monumental blunder on the part of Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton for it to end badly. But it will take more from both candidates for it to end as well as Democrats hope.

Obama carried off his victory speech in Des Moines, where he declared the nomination now "within reach," better than the Clinton team might have feared. Their pique at what appeared to be an effort by Obama to claim the nomination prematurely was real. Whatever the Obama team's original intentions for the Iowa rally, the candidate in the end was able to find the right pitch.

Although most of his speech looked ahead to a campaign against John McCain, Obama offered his most generous tribute yet to Clinton, calling her "one of the most formidable candidates ever to run for this office." He not only praised her grit and fighting spirit but also linked her performance in the campaign to the aspirations of his and others' daughters.

"We've had our disagreements during this campaign, but we all admire her courage, her commitment and her perseverance," he said. "And no matter how this primary ends, Senator Clinton has shattered myths and broken barriers and changed the America in which my daughters and yours will come of age. And for that we are grateful to her."

Although Clinton devoted most of her remarks at a victory rally in Louisville to the reasons she continues to run, her concluding words should have been equally well received at Obama's Chicago headquarters.

"We will come together as a party, united by common values and common cause; united in service of the hopes and dreams that know no boundaries of race or creed, gender or geography," she said. "And when we do, there will be no stopping us."

By Wednesday morning, Democratic strategists were optimistic about the closing weeks of their grueling nomination battle. "I see no chance it ends badly," wrote Steve Elmendorf, a prominent Clinton supporter. "Both sides understand the stakes and are urgent about beating McCain."

Jim Jordan, a veteran strategist, put it this way: "Everyone involved has such a huge stake in this thing winding down well that it would take an epic blunder or a psychological meltdown for this to go bad. Obama needs to bring the Clinton folks into the fold, Bill and Hillary Clinton have their legacy and future, respectively, to consider, and the rest of the party has the fate of the planet in mind."

Steve Murphy, who was an adviser to Bill Richardson's presidential campaign, agreed that Democrats should feel optimistic about the way the Obama-Clinton battle is winding down, but that Obama ought to remain careful about the way he treats her.

"As he pivots to the general election, Obama has to be careful not to be too dismissive of Hillary," he wrote. "He has won the nomination but she's received too many votes to be ignored."

A Clinton adviser, who asked not to be identified in order to speak more freely about the view from inside, reinforced Murphy's concern. "I think [Obama] finally got close to the tone he should have had for a couple weeks now and it's important that he get his supporters on board with that as well."

The adviser went on to explain that anything that Obama and his team do that in any way diminishes the campaign Clinton has run could make it more difficult for him to rally her supporters, "most of whom he needs to win if anyone is ever going to call him Mr. President."

So the Obama campaign, having found the right tone, must continue to deal positively with Clinton, despite whatever desire top officials may have to enjoy even more freedom to get themselves organized for the general election campaign.

They are weeks and weeks behind McCain in the luxury that comes with being able to focus only on the general election. They are moving toward decisions that all nominees must make in terms of staffing and taking control of campaign operations at the national committee, but negotiating their way out of the nomination battle saps their ability to focus fully on those needs.

What remain as potential obstacles to a smooth landing in the Democratic race are the questions of what to do about Michigan and Florida, and whether Clinton will decide after all this that she really would like to be Obama's vice presidential running mate.

Both candidates agree that it is essential to seat the Michigan and Florida delegates. But sticking points remain. Should the full slates of delegates be seated? Should all their votes be counted? What should the formula be for allocating those delegates between Clinton and Obama? How long will Clinton hold out? How much will Obama yield?

The two campaigns are essential to striking a deal, but so too are members of the Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws Committee. They made the decision to sanction the two states and may not want the principle they established at the time to be undone by a deal that satisfies the two campaigns.

The potentially bigger problem is the vice presidency. Only a few people may truly know whether Clinton is interested in joining Obama on the ticket. She has certainly earned every consideration by Obama and some Democrats believe this may be the one sure way to unite the competing coalitions she and he have assembled this year.

If she decides to make a play for the vice presidency, Obama will find himself in a very difficult position, particularly if he does not want her as part of a Dream Ticket. Can he risk rebuffing her and therefore offending her supporters? If he doesn't want her on the ticket, how can he prevent the issue from getting to the point where a public rejection is his only option?

As one Democrat put it Wednesday, "If she wants veep and doesn't get it, that truly would be ugly."

Despite the good words of Tuesday and the diminished hostilities between Clinton and Obama along the campaign trail, there are several more turns ahead before Democrats can claim they are fully united for the fall campaign.

By Web Politics Editor  |  May 21, 2008; 2:17 PM ET
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What PERFECT TIMING! ...presidential candidates choosing VP...and... CHUCK NORRIS just wrote the article in his new weekly syndicated column, "If I am elected Vice President"!!! Check it out... http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ChuckNorris/2008/05/20/if_i_am_elected_vice_president

Posted by: Rmoore | May 22, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

JP-

I'm sorry- I have known too many people who did not get formally educated who know a lot more about the world (and are often better read) than the educated class.

As I stated before- I grew up in a hardcore part of NYC- downtown Jamaica, Queens- and my experience is that people are not lazy- choices are not the same in every place. For example, I went to public HS also, classes were vastly overcrowded, materials were not available, in poor condition and out-of date and teachers were overwhelmed- as a result. Families that the kids in the school came from often had one parent back and forth between another country, working several jobs and still were having trouble making it. The neighborhood sorrounding the school had drug dealers and a kid was shot during my sophmore year in the auditoreum. Is that the learning envornment that gets you into college? Still, among the people I knew from there- some went to college, some didn't- that does not define their intellegence and the neither does voting for a particular candidate.

Many BHO supporters cannot clearly state even one policy proposal of his- how well informed are they?

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

No, we will not come together as a party, if Obama is the nominee. Absolutely NOT. Hillary's entreaties won't help.

Many of us will vote (and work) for McCain.

Try it out...then reap the results in November!

Posted by: Lesley | May 21, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

I have to ask what is the big deal of pointing out Sen. Obama's middle name. I also have to ask, so what if someone running for President was a Muslim. I am a Christian and was extremely offended by the Muslim flap during this campaign. I believe that the underlying reason was to stereotype a Muslim as a terrorist. Being Muslim does not equal terrorist and that type of stereotyping proves that we have a LONG way to go regarding racial and religious understanding and tolerance in this country and that is sad. By the way, there is nothing that says a Muslim cannot be Pres of the US. President must be a natural born citizen, 35 years old and a resident here for at least 14 years. I saw nothing at all about being a Christian or any other belief.

SO, anyone who harps on the senator's middle name is truly showing their complete ignorance and lack of tolerance and their comments should be taken with a grain of salt if regarded at all.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

JR-

I respectfully disagree with you. The negative campaigning started with the Edwards/Obama team up on calling her "old school", questioning her "judgement" and saying that she represents what is wrong in DC- these were not policy arguments and were not based in fact. They were to forward a narrative of her as a political animal- as if he isn't- running for president a full 2 years out of the state senate-using the archaic rules of the Dem party to win. She has mostly argued policy and electability. He has not argued policy much (discounting gas tax)- mostly trying to falsely malign her record.

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

"My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East that will that will then prevent us that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East." Verbatim quote, John McCain, Denver, May 2, 2008.

And Obama cannot go toe-to-toe with McCain? Give me a break.

Posted by: Cannot believe this | May 21, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Leon:
I would think that the person you want to put on the supreme court, for life, is a person not only with a sound legal mind, but has demonstrated a history of sound judgment with strong moral fiber, as it relates to integrity and character. Sadly the woman has repeatedly demonstrated she is lacking in those areas. I'm just say....her record is there.

Posted by: str8talk | May 21, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

A Clinton adviser, who asked not to be identified in order to speak more freely about the view from inside, reinforced Murphy's concern. "I think [Obama] finally got close to the tone he should have had for a couple weeks now.

These nameless advisor/fools talk a lot of garbage. The woman went full bore negative, what was her opponent supposed to do? Offer her ice cream? Absurd.

Posted by: tydicea | May 21, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Barack should tell Hillary that she will not be his VP, but he should ask her who else she would recommend for VP and he should seriously consider using that person for the position. That may be enough to gain the full support of Team Clinton.

Posted by: Steve | May 21, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Dear Leon:

No doubt, education is usually a function of opportunity. And intelligence -- your capability to learn -- is different from education -- the quantity THAT you have learned. That said, if you don't know jack, you don't know jack. You can have an IQ of 135 -- if no one taught you to read, you're illiterate. And if no one taught you to think critically, you will fall for demagoguery, no matter your native IQ.

People who support Hillary are less educated. That means they KNOW less. That they might have learned more had they had better opportunities is beside the point. They are often not very bright, which is why, for instance, one out of six West Virginians gets food stamps. That likely means they are LESS able to think critically. That means they are LESS likely to have been exposed to blacks from middle-class and upper-class backgrounds. The blacks they know are as "disadvantaged" as they are -- which is to say they reinforce race stereotypes. So -- it's consistent with supporting Hillary, who has employed race prejudice and class envy as campaign stratagems.

And while I commend your efforts, take it from someone who grew up in a slum and attended public schools -- most of the people who fail to advance academically ARE lazy. Their opportunities aren't great, but they squander the opportunities they DO have. Others make the most of the same opportunities and do OK.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

If HRC were to be VP, where would Bill be? Haunting the hallways of the White House?
At best he should be the ambassador to Mongolia.

Posted by: JP | May 21, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

White people are ignorant. They jelous cuz obama is winning and they know it.

Posted by: Latasha | May 21, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Leon on the subject of opportunity/education. I have also known a lot of "book smart" who could not make good decisions in life. There are people who can follow by set rules (e.g. book smart) and people who have to improvise out of necessity (e.g street smart) and, of course people who posses a little of both.

Posted by: JR | May 21, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Leon can you honestly tell me you've followed this race and have not seen any of Hillary's so called "miss-speaks?" If so then I'm sorry, I can't help you.

Posted by: JR | May 21, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

If HRC is the VP, then there would need to be a few extra secret service agents added to his detail. Just call them the "Vince Foster Memorial Agents."

Just kidding, Clinton folks, just kidding. She has much too much on the ball to want a job that James Nance Garner deemed "not worth a bucket of warm spit."

Supreme Court Justice would be a perfect use of her talents and she could wind up being a great Justice. I think it is an appointment Obama would gladly make and one she would gladly accept, as it would give her a major impact on the U.S. for the rest of her life, not just for a few years.

Posted by: Dolph924 | May 21, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

...I think she would make a phenomenal supreme court justice.

Leon

Posted by: | May 21, 2008 6:06 PM
____________________________________________

As has been pointed out repeatedly, Hillary failed her DC Bar. She does not have a sharp legal mind.

Posted by: gbooksdc | May 21, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Leon...
No, Kerry, Edwards and Daschle are not on that list. But, they are on a long list of people who admit their vote was a mistake.
Sen. Clinton hasn't admitted her vote was a mistake, and she's compounded it with her vote for the Kyle/Leiberman amendment on Iran.

Posted by: Joyce | May 21, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Leon, you sound like a decent guy but I must respectfully disagree with you on some of your statements. If you want to call me a hater so be it, I can't stop you.

All this negativity started with Hillary's campaign when she realized she was losing and started throwing crap at Obama. Somewhere her advisors convinced her to go negative and then the lies started so yes, THAT pisses me off because I believe at the time that her negativity and her lies could cost us from getting a very special candidate elected. Hey, I've been around the block, I've seen a lot of candidates but not one like Obama in a long time.

I appreciate the volunteer work you've done, I believe you have good intentions, I just believe it to be for the wrong candidate because she has behaved disgracefully throughout this campaign.

Posted by: JR | May 21, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Senator Clinton should, and must, carry the nominating process to the convention. This is about the future of our country. A naive Obama will not serve our country well if he is elected the president.

If "Obama disaster" in November happens as predicted, it's not good for the Democratic Party.

To avoid a incompetent president in the next 4 years, or to avoid a disasterous defeat in November for the Democrats, Senator Clinton must take the fight to the convention.

This is a message to Senator Clinton: You must do what is good for the country first. You must do the right thing for the Party. Carry the fight to the convention!!!

Posted by: GY | May 21, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

JR

What are these lies? How many more lies does she have than Obama or any or the other pols?

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA 5/21/08
2 MORE SUPERDELEGATES
UNITED MINE WORKERS ENDORSEMENT

0 delegates needed for a majority
61 delegates needed for the nomination.

Posted by: Joyce | May 21, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

"Perhaps you don't. Or maybe you only get your news in soundbites and prefer rhetorical flourishes over substance."
Leon

Actually Leon I've been following this race quite closely and have been doing a lot of reading from multiple sources, sounds like you do too, it's not hatred, it's disgust. I used to be for HRC until she started showing her true nature. It is very insulting to see someone in such a high position stoop to such transparent lies.

And I still think that the last thing we need is a quantified liar as a supreme court justice, maybe you think that's ok but I think you will be all alone on this one (hence the "another world" comment)

Posted by: JR | May 21, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Kerry, Edwards and Daschle are not on that list, are they (there were 26 Dems that voted for giving him the power to act militarily, many of whom are big Obama supporters)

Where are the questions about their judgement?

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Anyone who thinks that everyone has the same opportunities here in the US is extremely naive. I grew up in the NYC at it's worst and not the nice parts. I live in a working class neigborhood and work in the Bronx with disadvantaged kids with disabilities. Please don't tell me that they are lazy because they didn't have the advantages you have.

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Leon...
You're right...Obama was campaigning for U.S. Senate at the time there was a drumbeat for the Iraq invasion. Obama opposed the war based on his own good judgement. He said it would divide our attention from Afghanistan and the pursuit of Osama bin Laden (remember him?) and al Queda. He also warned that the Iraq invasion would open up sectarian violence and lead to a costly, bloody and lengthy occupation.
Clinton voted for the resolution. But, not every member of congress did...Some actually READ the intelligence and voted AGAINST the war resolution:
Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL) voted NAY....as did Akaka (D-HI), Bingaman (D-NM), Boxer (D-CA), Byrd (D-WV), Chafee (R-RI), Conrad (D-ND), Corzine (D-NJ), Dayton (D-MN), Durbin (D-IL), Feingold (D-WI), Graham (D-FL), Inouye (D-HI), Jeffords (I-VT), Kennedy (D-MA), Leahy (D-VT), Levin (D-MI), Mikulski (D-MD), Murray (D-WA), Reed (D-RI), Sarbanes (D-MD), Stabenow (D-MI), Wellstone (D-MN), and Wyden (D-OR)

Posted by: Joyce | May 21, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

JR

huh????

She did not depend on republican or Independent votes in the DEM primary- a tactical mistake on her part.

Try being less of a hater and a partisan and think for a change.

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Donna1000
He was being generous by saying "You're likable enough" because she isn't really very likable at all.

Did she lose you on "As far as I know he's not a muslim"
or Snipergate
or McCain would make a better president
or I'm more electable because Karl Rove says I am?

I could go on, shall I?

Posted by: JR | May 21, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

For all who prognosticate with certainty that Obama has no chance to win in November: If we are to take your predictions seriously, please explain how you failed to predict the "inevitable nominee" coming in second.

Posted by: Joebewildered | May 21, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

"Educated people are not statistically smarter. Educated people have had more opportunities in life. While the schools of the "ivory tower" give you "smarts"- the school of hard knocks gives you wisdom and "street smarts"

RUBBISH LEON! ABSOLUTE RUBBISH! What excuse does anyone have in America for not having an education? Street smarts is being smart enough to know that in this day its about learning - I put forward this theory:

If ANYONE in AMERICA, whether black or White, immigrant or citizen is unable to get an education - they are PLAIN LAZY and have NO STREET SMARTS AT ALL. To be Street smart means you know how to survive in the easiest way - why look for the hard way.

Education is free, food is cheap, so are clothes- unless you were born under a tree you have every opportunity to get an education. So anyone who does not is NOT very smart, whatever they may say...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

JR,

I very much live on this planet.

Perhaps you don't. Or maybe you only get your news in soundbites and prefer rhetorical flourishes over substance. Anyhow, if you were paying attention...


Which was her open lie- was it saying that you were against NAFTA and then sending your agent to say that that was just rhetoric to a foreign country?

Your hatred is clouding your judgement, or maybe you lack any to begin with. If she supports 99% of the same ideals as Obama according to most of the Obamites- why would you not want her on the supreme court?
She is a human being and has erred in the past, and perhaps he is a deity and has not, but I would say that her judgement and depth of knowledge on issues makes her an ideal candidate for justice.
Politically, for him, since he is a strictly political animal, it makes sense because a lifetime position that will take her permenantly out of his hair. She won't run for another thing during her lifetime.

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Mike Bronson,

He lost me on "You're likable enough" in one of the early debates.

But even more telling, let's look at Sen. Obama's behavior on race and gender with his campaign staff. In looking at a list of his senior staff there are no obviously Latino or Asian names. Only three of 15 senior staff are women and only three of 18 senior policy advisors are women.

Here's the list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_presidential_campaign,_2008#Campaign_staff_and_policy_team.

Given that a person's hiring practices are direct evidence of their values in action, I think this is an important story.

Posted by: Donna1000 | May 21, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

"He ran a campaign based on the fact that they were open primaries..."
Leon

Ok, I see, but something tells me because of the nature of the candidates that people e.g. Republicans that crossed over intend to vote for Obama in the fall. Something tells me that the ones who voted for Hillary were disingenuous because of the rampant hatred for the Clintons throughout the Republican base, however, they saw her as the weaker threat so wanted her to get the nomination. But, I might be wrong.

Posted by: JR | May 21, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

It would be so like Hillary to force herself onto the ticket, after she said "he's just not ready" over and over and over ad nauseum. And -- since she knows no shame -- if the ticket lost, she'd blame Obama and run in 2012. Besides, I have no doubt Obama would not live out his term with Hillary as VP. Just look at the nutty posts of her supporters -- somebody would convince themselves they were doing the country a favor. Not to mention, she'd undercut him at every turn.

Tradition says, the candidate names his running MATE, and the convention votes to approve. But since tradition and rules don't mean jack to Hillary, no doubt she'd "announce" for VP and basically dare Obama to deny her the nod. At a minimum she'd force him to name another woman, who would not be the best running mate for him (he needs an old white guy), thus clearing the field for her in 2012. Well, I guess if you have a kid by Webb Hubbell, you must not have any shame.

Posted by: gbooksdc | May 21, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

They both have had their struggles in life. Barak is using his "street smarts" to persuade people to vote for him by giving them lots of rhetoric and empty promises, however, while HRC is using her "street smarts" with policy proposals based in the reality of how things get done in DC. He is not the first candidate to promise change. Carter ran a campaign similar to his in 1976 and wound up finding out that fighting the system in DC meant getting almost no policies through the Dem. congress. Bill ran in 1992 on change and found out that battling the moneyed interests didn't work to well either. Bush ran as an agent of change in 2000. Enough said.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Leon: There is this trait in human beings called "intuition" you have it, Barack has it, and millions of other Americans have it too.

Many of us knew by the way the run up to war was being handled that it was a sham, by our intuition. Of course we were branded as un-patriotic and cowardly.

Try reading Obama's speech about the war, it will tell you more about his judgement because he didn't just say "War bad, peace good", he laid out several of the potential consequences which BTW have ALL come true.

Intuition and educated judgement are traits that Obama does posses, like you, myself and many others did at the time.

Posted by: JR | May 21, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

JR,

I agree- what should you expect. He ran a campaign based on the fact that they were open primaries.

Here's the thing. I am an agnostic, thus I have never made a choice of a religion that I would like to follow. I do not go into people's churches and help choose the pastor. Unfortunately, people who have just decided that they want a say, for whatever reason have just as much say as I do in choosing the leader for a party that is supposed to represent my ideology in some way; a party that I have been committed to since 1984 at age 13. I worked for J. Jackson before I could vote and Dinkins the first year I could vote (mayor NYC), gave money to B. Kerry in 1992 when I had none to give. Flew to Florida to drive voters around on election day in 2004. I should be able to support HRC without being called racist, stupid or old (used as an insult instead of a descriptor of age).

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Can someone please name me one sexist thing Obama or his campaign has done to Hillary Clinton?
Does it make sense that female and males have endorsed both of the candidates and that these people truly believe in each candidate? The superdelegates are coming out for Obama because he has the majority of the pledged delegates (last time I checked that was the rules for picking the nominee) and because of sexism.
I mean racism has also been a problem. Look at the exit polls- 22% of white Kentucky voters ADMITTED to voting based on race. How many were too embarrassed to admit that? In fairness sexism also showed up in the exit polls due to the fact that Edwards recieved 5%, but that is minimal.

Posted by: mb_mikebronson | May 21, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

You said: "the school of hard knocks gives you wisdom and "street smarts".
So, Leon, who do you think has more "street smarts" Hillary or Barack?

Posted by: Betty | May 21, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Leon do live on this planet? Because the last thing we need is a Supreme Court Justice that is famous for telling bald-faced lies and then lies about lying.

Sorry, but she's the one who openly lied, is that your idea of what qualifies a Supreme Court Justice?

Posted by: jr | May 21, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Obama did not read all the reports on Iraq.

He was not in the senate at the time and did not have access to governmental reports until they are posted in the record- so when he made his speech, he was opposed to the war, as I was, based on no particular facts.

Don't create mythology for the guy. There is enough already.

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

It wouldn't really fit Obama's message of change from the divisive politics of CLINTON/BUSH to then pick CLINTON for a running mate. Besides, President Obama will have his hands full cleaning up Bush's messes. He certainly doesn't need the Clintons' drama and meddling.

Posted by: Joyce | May 21, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Martiniano,

Educated people are not statistically smarter. Educated people have had more opportunities in life. While the schools of the "ivory tower" give you "smarts"- the school of hard knocks gives you wisdom and "street smarts". Do not elevate yourself because you have a degree. We all have our individual and community needs- just because you sat in some classes after 18 years old does not mean that your words are choices are more valid than someone elses. That is what "Democrats" are supposed to be about.

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Leon: What do you expect when a number of states open their primaries to voters other than Democrats?

Posted by: JR | May 21, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

At this time BHO and HRC are incompatible. No way they would be in the same ticket
I wish HRC has the courage to run as an Independent.
There would be a three ways interesting General Election between an Young Charismatic African American, an Experienced, Energetic, bold Woman and a War Decorated Hero Veteran.
BHO represents the Liberals, HRC represents the Centrist and MC will represent the Conservatives.
90% plus Americans will be happy, eager to go voting in November 2008. It would be an Historic General Election

Posted by: zien106 | May 21, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

sequoia-


Please don't define who is and who isn't a "real democrat"- Obama did not win the majority of Democratic registered votes, he won based on Independents and Republicans voting as well as newly registered Democrats, who, were not all new voters. Some of them jump on the bandwagon and were Bush voters in 2000 and 2004- I have coworkers who are doing this. People who have a consistent belief system and identify that as "Democratic" are Dems. People who don't have a consistent belief patterns/ideals that can be linked to a series of policies to be enacted are not Dems. I would wager that more of the Barak supporters fall into the second category than HRC supporters.

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I think its time to reintroduce ourselves and let cooler heads prevail.

Democrats, fired up by their recent midterm election victories, today launched a campaign to win the White House in 2008.One after another, Democratic presidential candidates paraded into the Democratic National Committee's winter meeting in Washington and, in seven-minute windows, gave snapshots of their stump speeches.

In perhaps her most aggressive speech since announcing she is running for president, Sen. Hillary Clinton (N.Y.) repeated her mantra that she is "in to win" -- and declared that victory in the presidential campaign was a top priority.

"I know a thing or two about winning campaigns," Clinton said to an applauding crowd. "When our party, or our candidates, are attacked, we have got to stand up and fight back. I have always done that and I always will. I know how they think, how they act, and how to defeat them. And if you give me the chance that is exactly what we will do together in 2008."

Clinton, widely seen as the national front-runner but in a close race in early-voting states, followed a speech by Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, who delivered a serious set of remarks that at times brought the hall to a hushed silence.

"We've been told that consensus on any issue is no longer possible, that we should settle for tinkering around the edges, year after year after year," Obama said. "And along the way, we've lost faith in the political process. We don't really think that we can transform this country. But the times we live in are too serious to let the cynics win this time."

Cynicism, he said, has "caused our politics to become smaller and timid, calculating and cautious."

"We spend all our time thinking about tactics and maneuvers, knowing that if we spoke the truth, addressed the issues with boldness, that we might be labeled -- it might lead to our defeat," Obama said.

Obama, who will make his formal presidential campaign announcement next week, appeared unadorned with campaign signs or pamphlets of the kind even some of the lesser-known candidates were passing out. But he was met with a crush of supporters as he left the hall.

The morning was kicked off by Sen. Christopher J. Dodd of Connecticut, who demanded that Democrats, who now control Congress, do more than pass a non-binding resolution on Iraq that is soon to be up for debate.

"Frankly, I am disappointed that we can't find a way to do more than send a meaningless message to the White House--a White House, I would add, that has said it will ignore anything that we have to say about the war in Iraq," Dodd said. "The American people sent us a message this past November; the voters were clear. They want a change in the policy in Iraq."

Posted by: ActualText | May 21, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Real Choices,

HRC does not want to be the VP. Stop insulting her and spend more time learning the policies of your candidate.

I think she would make a phenomenal supreme court justice.

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Voteforamerica - that is not at all what Obama is saying. You misunderstand him. Don't you think there is a reason why educated (and therefore statistically smarter) people love him? Hopefully you have struggled so that your children can go to college. Why? Because you know it will make the smarter.

Obama is one of the very, very few Senators who read all of the reports about Iraq. He decided at that time that the use of force was not justified. We now all know that he was right. America - and the whole world - is less safe today because we sidetracked into Iraq instead of killing Bin Laden and the rest of the Al Qaeda leadership.

We taught the world that they could attack the USA and get away. And let's not forget the debt we now owe to China since we borrowed hundreds of billions from them instead of paying for the war ourselves.

Too bad more Senators didn't take time to read the reports and think for themselves.

Posted by: Martiniano | May 21, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone read this article yet ?

http://usasurvival.org/ck05.14.08.html
Wednesday, May 14, 2008
Investigators to Release Reports on Obama's Communist Connections:

Posted by: Tony | May 21, 2008 5:53 PM
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Yeh, yeh...we heard you the first time. And like Joyce said...the Cold War is over. Got something else?

Posted by: PeteZ | May 21, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Why doesn't ANYONE talk about McCains muslim grandfather???

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey pro-life JakeD, are you against the death penalty? If you're really pro-life, you should be.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I think every American should read this article:

www.mccainsmuslimpast.org/uki45.45j.89f.html

Posted by: FR | May 21, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

esmerelda123
Excuse poor Jakie - He's a Limbaugh "0"

Posted by: Joyce | May 21, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Hey JAKE D...

The post headed "Hey uglies using phony muslim names, is meant for you.

Posted by: Randall | May 21, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, what is it about the name Hussein that causes you to capitalize it? Do you associate Obama with Saddam because of that name? So anyone with the name "Joe" should be subject because of Stalin?

Really, I don't understand the significance of that name that makes you freepers make such a big deal of it. Obama's father was an African Muslim from the Luo tribe. Central and Western Africans - I mean BLACK Africans, not transplanted Arabs - have been Muslim for a thousand years. Longer than the USA has been Christian. Did you know that many of the slaves who were brought to the USA were Muslims? They were not jungle bunnies. They were God-fearing men and women with 500 years of Muslim history.

I'll bet you didn't know that.

Obama's father was Luo and Hussein is a common name.

So please tell me why you capitalize it.

Posted by: Martiniano | May 21, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone read this article yet ?

http://usasurvival.org/ck05.14.08.html

Wednesday, May 14, 2008


Investigators to Release Reports on Obama's Communist Connections:

Posted by: Tony | May 21, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey uglies who use muslim names...

GO AHEAD.

Do your ugly stuff... rip the tenuous bandage off phony Political Correctness.

Just remember. Some blacks won't vote for whites, some rural whites won't vote for blacks.

The only thing they both hate more, in common, are Jews.

Take off the phony PC protection, and you'll get the results you don't want.


Your timing, with forclosures courtesy of Greedy Wall Streeters and cost of Israel's wars and genocide, is perfect.

Go ahead you uncivilied little jerk.

Posted by: ready | May 21, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

jake...Obama not pro-life? Is that why NARAL endorsed OBAMA?
FYI
OBAMA: re: REPRODUCTIVE CHOICE
Supports a Woman's Right to Choose:
Barack Obama understands that abortion is a divisive issue, and respects those who disagree with him. However, he has been a consistent champion of reproductive choice and will make preserving women's rights under Roe v. Wade a priority as President. He opposes any constitutional amendment to overturn the Supreme Court's decision in that case.

Preventing Unwanted Pregnancy:
Barack Obama is an original co-sponsor of legislation to expand access to contraception, health information and preventive services to help reduce unintended pregnancies. Introduced in January 2007, the Prevention First Act will increase funding for family planning and comprehensive sex education that teaches both abstinence and safe sex methods. The Act will also end insurance discrimination against contraception, improve awareness about emergency contraception, and provide compassionate assistance to rape victims.

Posted by: Joyce | May 21, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

To RahiqSyed | May 21, 2008 5:43 PM

In short what Obama is saying "Vote for me because I have a clairvoyant judgment. I opposed Iraq war in 2002." This is biggest and stupidest argument ever made by a far-left liberal. Of course, what else would anyone expect from the far-lefties? They will rather let their family killed by terrorists in the name of peace!

Posted by: voteforamerica | May 21, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone read this article?

http://usasurvival.org/ck05.14.08.html
Investigators to Release Reports on Obama's Communist Connections

Posted by: | May 21, 2008 5:35 PM
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To Joe McCarthy Jr.
NEWSFLASH....the Cold War ended a long time ago - when Barack was a teenager. Now we're best buds with China. Just ask the Clintons and Bush's.

Posted by: Joyce | May 21, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

For the record, the reason I am not voting for Barack HUSSEIN Obama (that is his name) is because I am pro-life and he is not, not because of the color of his skin.

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

if you loved this primary season you will love the next one if both Michigan and Florida are seated. All the states will decide they want to be the first to go the DNC will strip them of their delegates and then in order to be counted they will all have a do over election. So at that point we will have two primary elections in each state.

Posted by: crazyv | May 21, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama should not have Clinton as VP under any circumstances. Given her sense of entitlement, she would expect to be, in effect, a co-President with policy areas where she has the last word. Plus Bill would expect his "portfolio." That would be a disaster. Even Clinton as the Presidential nominee would be preferable to a co-Presidency. If Obama was the VP under her there would no question that he would be powerless (so much for "sexism"!).

Plus it isn't at all clear that an Obama-Clinton ticket is the strongest the Dems could nominate. Obama's first test of leadership will be keeping Clinton off the ticket, if he caves and lets her on the ticket, it would spell doom for him and the Democrats chances in November.

Posted by: RealChoices | May 21, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse


"Dan:

Are you willing to "write off" real Democratic voters with a dismissive attitude like that?

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 5:39 PM "

He isn't talking about real democrats. Just the people who pretend to be Hillary supporters causing trouble here on these board. Real Democrats would never ever vote McCain over the Democratic nominee.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Dan:

Are you willing to "write off" real Democratic voters with a dismissive attitude like that?

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

........I say fo f*ck yourselves. You aren't real Democrats anyway and our party is better off without you. The millions of new voters Obama has brought in will more than make up for your pathetic little tantrum, so do your worst, losers!

Posted by: sequoia | May 21, 2008 3:45 PM
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ummm...as angry as Michelle Obama and as over-confident as Barry! Looks like drank a lot of kool-aid!!Come Nov'08, hospitals throught america will be filled by Obummers reeling under shock.

Posted by: voteforamerica | May 21, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Do you think Barry Hussein will get a visa for grand-mummy in time for the inauguration? Will they let her in the country?

Posted by: NadeemZakaria | May 21, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Dems!!! Stop responding to these Repubs posing as Democrats and spouting their insurgent dribble. Screw these idiots. Ignoring them is the best way to take away their power. A child will only tantrum for so long if he knows no one is watching.

Posted by: Dan | May 21, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Jalal:

I never said it was "scary". In fact, did you know that HUSSEIN means "handsome" in Arabic?

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone read this article?

http://usasurvival.org/ck05.14.08.html
Investigators to Release Reports on Obama's Communist Connections

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Alan,

most of Barak's speeches are big on rhetoric, but offer no solutions or policies. However, I will vote and work for him to prevent McCain, but please stop deifying the MAN and villianizing the WOMAN.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I would vote for a Hussein. In fact, I would vote for a Tyrell, Tyrone, and a Leroy if I had to.

Posted by: Lakisha | May 21, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Oh, O.K. -- luckily for President McCain, he doesn't need a majority of Americans who won't vote for a HUSSEIN -- just enough on top of the 28% Bush fans in certain key States ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

voteforamerica,

..or maybe they were fooled by Obama advocates such as Donna Brazille into labeling the Clinton's racist. Obama has run a brilliant, but entirely old school political campaign, taking advantage of political novelties such as caucuses that are not particularly equitable institutions to gain momentum and to lead in the delegate race. He has made sure that doubts sowed by 16 years of right wing slime machine attacks on her were fresh in people's minds. Maybe he is the one who played the "game"

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Barry's middle name is Hussein???????? Wooooooo... So scary...

Posted by: Jalal | May 21, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

The greed and zest for power comes out in every speech Hillary makes. It's all focused on beat the the Republicans. It makes me think that if she was to win, it would be a continuation of the power struggle beyween the two parties and nothing would be fixed, changed, or improved.

Mean while, Obama's speeches are mostly about fixing, changing, or improving the country. To me, that sounds a heck of a lot better than a continuation of power struggles between the two parties.

Posted by: Alan | May 21, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many Afro Americans will stay interested long enough to vote in November.

Posted by: NadeemZakaria | May 21, 2008 5:25 PM
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I wonder if you are here legally and unarmed???

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

No, silly. A majority of Americans see through the nonsense of emphasizing Obama's name as a way to scare folks out of voting for a HUSSEIN.

Posted by: esmerelda123 | May 21, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many Afro Americans will stay interested long enough to vote in November.

Posted by: NadeemZakaria | May 21, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

esmerelda123:

A majority of Americans read this blog?! Wow, I'd better keep it up then. As those "who have read this blog long enough" know, I've used Hillary and John McCain's middle names from the very beginning.

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

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Maybe the two way street intersected at 90% of black voted for Bill Clinton--twice!!

Posted by: | May 21, 2008 4:47 PM
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Maybe the Afro-Americans have better judgment so this time they saw the Clinton game and voted for Obama overwhelmigly

Posted by: voteforamerica | May 21, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, come on. Those of us who have read this blog long enough has ample memory. You only started adding the ALL CAPS MIDDLE NAMES of all the other candidates once people called you out on your ignorant fearmongering manipulation of Obama's middle name. Adding the other names later does not erase your obvious initial intent. Thank God a majority of Americans see through that nonsense.

Posted by: esmerelda123 | May 21, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Obama's diplomatic skill in calming troubled waters is remarkable. He is a born diplomat -- a skill which Mrs. Clinton unfortunately lacks completely.

Posted by: Bodo | May 21, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

It's OK if she keeps talking this way till June 3. After that, if she is still in fight-it-out mode, it may take a heart-to-heart with TEDDY KENNEDY, in which he would have every right to play the "this is my last wish and do you want me to die happy?" card, to get her to GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY.

Posted by: herzliebster | May 21, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't care what you say, a little ghetto in the White House might be a good thing. Maybe we can pimp out the limos with rims and curb feelers.

Posted by: AshokRoy | May 21, 2008 5:14 PM
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We already put a barn and a nascar watchtower along with that special room for a brother-sister moment...Yee Haw

Racism is always wrong

Posted by: This is just mean | May 21, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Ted Kennedy took the nomination to the convention and he was over 800 delegates behind AND the Democratic Party has survived.

You just want Hillary to quit so YOUR inexperienced, immature guy can run for and lose the Presidency.

Well tough!!!

Hillary or McCain

We will fight at the convention if necessary!!!

Posted by: Hillary Simply the Best | May 21, 2008 5:11 PM
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But she will still be short so why?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I don't care what you say, a little ghetto in the White House might be a good thing. Maybe we can pimp out the limos with rims and curb feelers.

Posted by: AshokRoy | May 21, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Simply the Best:

Good point.

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

"Here is Massachusetts, a state in which both Senators are Obama supporters, you will find very few people who are willing to support Obama. We have gone for McCain in the past and will do so again..."

Funny; I'm from Massachusetts, and I don't know a single McCain supporter. Guess they're keeping quiet, hiding under their rocks. Don't know many Clinton supporters, either, just a few diehards.

Posted by: tom | May 21, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

tom:

No. Is it you?

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Ted Kennedy took the nomination to the convention and he was over 800 delegates behind AND the Democratic Party has survived.

You just want Hillary to quit so YOUR inexperienced, immature guy can run for and lose the Presidency.

Well tough!!!

Hillary or McCain

We will fight at the convention if necessary!!!

Posted by: Hillary Simply the Best | May 21, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

RahiqSyed- Does your babysitter know you are on your Mommy's computer again, posting your childish, racist blather?

Posted by: bredte | May 21, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

APissedAnt:

Sorry I missed your post earlier. One quick question: do you think you also have "undeniable evidence" that I am sexist for using Hillary DIANE Clinton's middle name too?

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Coming this fall to Fox television: The John and John Show, starring John McCain and John Hagee. They will discuss the Catholic church as prostitutes and how Hitler was doing God's will for the Jews.
"Invigorating" says Sean Hannity
"Smart and truthful" says Dick Morris
"I can't believe they are doing this talk show live!" screams Bill O'Reilly
ONLY ON FOX!

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | May 21, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, is that you posting all the garbage with the pseudo-muslim pseudonyms?

Posted by: tom | May 21, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Barry Hussein could send Shainqua Michelle Obama to head the invasion. Afterall, she's quite scary and has a nappy hair style.

Posted by: RahiqSyed | May 21, 2008 5:04 PM
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Then you might want to tell your friends to put that cloth of their feet that they use for shoes and find a cave to stink up

Racism is always wrong

Posted by: This is just mean | May 21, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Some of the nastier Clinton supporters have changed their tune, I see.

Old Tune: "He's all words and the media are fawning all over him!"

New Tune: "He's sexist!"

Posted by: wpreader2007 | May 21, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

LAMM01 Wrote:

I believe those pundits who state the Hillary supporters will do what is best for the Democratic party with Obama as it's nominee are very sadly mistaken. Under no circumstances will we vote for him. And just for the record, not all are Democrats. Here is Massachusetts, a state in which both Senators are Obama supporters, you will find very few people who are willing to support Obama. We have gone for McCain in the past and will do so again... Also, there are movements to remove from office those elected officials who are supporting Obama. So those who remain undeclared superdelegates should be well aware that it's their political future on the line.... We are watching......
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GROW THE HELL UP!!! DAMN...DAMN...DAMN...movements, lol, you guys (and that's not all Clinton supporters, just those like you who think that you're candidate is the only candidate who can lead this country--GROW THE HELL UP!!) can't even get a large enough margin to defeat Obama, but you're moving to remove a Kennedy from office--Give me a damn break!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

So, all the pro-Obama kool aid drinkers in the media are once again fooled by an Obama speech that says nothing. Obama's only tactic is to tell people all the stuff he is not allowed to be criticized about, his unsubstantiated claims of bipartisanship, and his silly hope mantra. He rails against Washington, but he has been there for 4 years. The democrats have been in charge -- what have the accomplished? Are we better off now than 2 years ago? I am not surprised the media swallows everything Obama says. They are literally running his campaign. It is truly going to be the death of print journalism.

Posted by: Karen | May 21, 2008 5:00 PM
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Yeah and Bush and Company and the 12 years of prior Republican rule that went unchallenged for so long did such a good job right Karen?

Silly rabbit

Posted by: Huh? | May 21, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Barry Hussein could send Shainqua Michelle Obama to head the invasion. Afterall, she's quite scary and has a nappy hair style.

Posted by: RahiqSyed | May 21, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"I'd really hate to see Hillary as the VP. NO offense meant to her or her supporters, but I just don't think it would be a healthy working relationship. An ex-president and an ex-first lady, both of whom probably believe they know more about how things work than the elected president. That's a lot of alphas working the same room if you know what I mean." Well no!

The VP should go to Hillary because the Vice-President serves at the pleasure of the President and has no real constitutional power therefore President Obama can tell VP Clinton to sit in her office and do nothing for 4 years and there is nothing she can do legally or otherwise.

In fact, the President can move the office of the Vice President to a one room shack in a farm somewhere in Mississippi and no one can do anything about it.

So let her be VP.

Posted by: JCBILE | May 21, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I just read that Hillary is considering taking the Florida and Michigan delegations to a floor fight at the convention - if both states are up for it. She was quoted as saying she "feels very strongly" about this. May 31 the DNC meets to look at this.

Here's the problem if she prevails on HER terms (that is, seat the delegates with the numerical proportions as they resulted):

1. This would set a nasty precedent for future campaigns. If Florida and Michigan are allowed to seat all their delegates as it shook out, it would mean the DNC would be robbed of its power to enforce rules. Suppose in 2012 another state decided it, too, wanted to leapfrog to closer to the front, maybe even ahead of Iowa. Without any party power enforcement the DNC would be a toothless tiger.

2. Obama respected the rules and did not campaign in Michigan. Had he campaigned, the numbers for him almost certainly would have been higher - Michigan has Detroit (heavily black), as well as Ann Arbor and other university cities (heavily white and college-educated). If Clinton is allowed to let her numbers stand that would mean the vote was inaccurate, all right - but not as much in her favor as she and her campaign asserts. There would be a LARGE contingent of voters in both states - Obama supporters, naturally - who would be themselves "disenfranchised" (a term Clinton loved to throw around about a month ago to suit her own purposes).

3. She risks tarnishing - for years - her own legacy in the minds of some of the folks in the community that supported her most - black voters. If Clinton were to succeed in getting Florida and Michigan seated, change the nomination numbers up to the 2,200 figure she says it "really" takes, and ultimately Obama was shafted, most black voters would NEVER forgive her - not for a generation, anyway.

It would very much be to Mrs. Clinton's advantage not to disturb the truce. She may be running on to reach some personal goals, and teach some lessons on tenacity to younger women, which is admirable. Or, she might simply be vaingloriously seeking to burnish her credentials for another Senate run or for 2012. We can't know for sure.

Posted by: wpreader2007 | May 21, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

So, all the pro-Obama kool aid drinkers in the media are once again fooled by an Obama speech that says nothing. Obama's only tactic is to tell people all the stuff he is not allowed to be criticized about, his unsubstantiated claims of bipartisanship, and his silly hope mantra. He rails against Washington, but he has been there for 4 years. The democrats have been in charge -- what have the accomplished? Are we better off now than 2 years ago? I am not surprised the media swallows everything Obama says. They are literally running his campaign. It is truly going to be the death of print journalism.

Posted by: Karen | May 21, 2008 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Scenario: Obama wins nomination. Chooses Governor Kathleen Sebelius as his running mate to appease the angry white women.
Clinton supporters stay home or vote for McSame. McSame narrowly wins and immediately bombs Iran, then appoints two more Scalitos to the supremes. Clinton supporters scream and say "I told you so, blah, blah".
Pathetic.

Posted by: elmerg | May 21, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Hillary will win the nomination and the presidency.

Posted by: brigitte | May 21, 2008 4:41 PM
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Yeap Brigitte, in your dreams...this is probably your best argument against Obama's message of Hope; sometimes hope is just not enough, lol...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know anything about this

http://www.usasurvival.org/ck05.14.08.html
Investigators to Release Reports on Obama's Communist Connections:


Posted by: Ash | May 21, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

1eLle wrote "After all we are taking about the Democratic Party here. No where in free world primary results are allocated some funny way just to protect all the political tribes."

Are you kidding me? Ever looked at how the German Bundestag is elected and seated?! Or are you not including Germany as part of the free world?

Posted by: zenzazo | May 21, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Tonya S.: I am afraid you are not thinking too clearly if you head to the Republican Party, where racism and sexism are fairly rampant, especially in the Baptist church. That logic just does not make any sense.

Posted by: esmerelda123 | May 21, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Well, it's still ALL about Hillary, isn't it? Why do well-education, middle class or better, adult women persist in behaving like 13 year old princesses? Hillary and her followers seem to think that if they just continue to jump up and down and threaten to hold their breaths until they TURN BLUE then the rest of the world will just have to go along. And their WP press buddies (like Balz) just do along with their tantrums. She's going to ruin Obama unless he continues to kowtow and tug is forelock. The heck with it.

Posted by: Exasperated | May 21, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse


LAMM01 Wrote:

I believe those pundits who state the Hillary supporters will do what is best for the Democratic party with Obama as it's nominee are very sadly mistaken. Under no circumstances will we vote for him. And just for the record, not all are Democrats. Here is Massachusetts, a state in which both Senators are Obama supporters, you will find very few people who are willing to support Obama. We have gone for McCain in the past and will do so again... Also, there are movements to remove from office those elected officials who are supporting Obama. So those who remain undeclared superdelegates should be well aware that it's their political future on the line.... We are watching......

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What a joke. If you call yourself a Democrat, you should be ashamed of yourself...I say yourself, because you are pretending to speak for the majority. Heal your bitter wounds, and do us a favor...grow up please. Also, how has MA gone for McCain before? I don't recall him getting his tired self far enough in prior elections to GET to the general. I seriously doubt that MA is going to all of the sudden go Red, but you make your little threats and sound foolish all you wish I guess. Oh by the way...classy of you, and yours trying to get an effective Senator with 40 years of service behind him, who is now DYING of brain cancer kicked out of office before he dies because he didn't support your favorite...class I tell you.

Posted by: Charles W Gray | May 21, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and Bill as VP. Hmmm. I wonder how President Obama and the nation will survive that? I actually don't think either he or the nation can survive that.

As much as I want to vote for Barack for President, if I have to take Hillary and Bill as VP, then I'm afraid I'll have to look elsewhere in November.

So I suggest we look at Senator Casey of Pennsylvania for VP to bring conservative and moderate blue collar Democrats back to the Party; or if "real" foreign policy experience is needed then Senator Chuck Hagel would be a shocker as well as a good choice.

Posted by: svbreeder | May 21, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse


"Only a collapse of the truce or a major blunder would end the Democratic primary badly."

And wouldn't Fred Hiatt just love both of those things to happen.

You can count on the Washington Post getting the story first.

Posted by: wardropper | May 21, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Open Appeal:

Perhaps someone reading this blog for the first or hundredth time may feel an urge to come forward and be counted. Please be brave and come clean if you know anything about the possibility that Barack Obama has used illegal drugs as late as the 1990's or has engaged in intimate relationships with other men. I would encourage you to contact Mr. Sinclair in confidence at his posted email address, and he and his attorney can arrange your safety and take a statement. Please come forward. The truth is all we seek.

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/


Posted by: WeWantOurVoteBackForObama | May 21, 2008 4:47 PM
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Are you kiddin', those cowards won't come from behind their GOP pointed white sheets; stop wasting your time asking.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Open Appeal:

Perhaps someone reading this blog for the first or hundredth time may feel an urge to come forward and be counted. Please be brave and come clean if you know anything about the possibility that Barack Obama has used illegal drugs as late as the 1990's or has engaged in intimate relationships with other men. I would encourage you to contact Mr. Sinclair in confidence at his posted email address, and he and his attorney can arrange your safety and take a statement. Please come forward. The truth is all we seek.

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/


Posted by: WeWantOurVoteBackForObama | May 21, 2008 4:47 PM

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This is why we need CHANGE...enough of the BS and the people that perputrate it.

Our country is in trouble and you ask about this crap.

If this is the Republican attack machine it must be driven by a retard.

Posted by: Fed Up | May 21, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,
From a man who has continually posted, "Barack HUSSEIN Obama," your complaints of being called a racist are laughable. Why can we not call you what you so obviously are? Why do you think it is correct to pounce on a name he was born with, instead of focusing on the positive life he has lead? When Hillary supporters stop saying they voted for her because, "he's of the other race, and we've had so many problems with them," or because, "I've had enough of Hussein," then maybe they will stop being called racist. I do not believe most Hillary supporters are racist, but I have undeniable evidence that SOME of them, including yourself, are.

Posted by: APissedAnt | May 21, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey, in that Open Appeal, can we also give information on McCain's drug use and explorations with other men?

Posted by: what about mccain | May 21, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Tonya S.- Got your flag pin on today?

If it walks like a Repugnican and talks like a Repugnican...

Posted by: napperfat | May 21, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

91% of Afro Americans vote for Obama in Pennsylvania while 70% of white Americans vote for Clinton in West Virginia and Kentucky yet there are "signs" of racism in Kentucky and West Virginia.............Maybe there are signs of racism, I don't know. What confuses me a bit is that 91% of the Afro American vote for Obama and there are no "signs of racism" there.............Wouldn't it be a better world if 51% of whites voted for Obama and 51% of blacks voted for Hillary.........Where is the "two way street" here?

Posted by: burt | May 21, 2008 4:32 PM

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Maybe the two way street intersected at 90% of black voted for Bill Clinton--twice!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Open Appeal:

Perhaps someone reading this blog for the first or hundredth time may feel an urge to come forward and be counted. Please be brave and come clean if you know anything about the possibility that Barack Obama has used illegal drugs as late as the 1990's or has engaged in intimate relationships with other men. I would encourage you to contact Mr. Sinclair in confidence at his posted email address, and he and his attorney can arrange your safety and take a statement. Please come forward. The truth is all we seek.

http://larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com/


Posted by: WeWantOurVoteBackForObama | May 21, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Dyinglikeflies,

Actually I was describing the base of Clinton supporters who would vote for Mccain in my definition of flies dying. But by your own admission you obviously fit that category. I can see that Mccain has done such a bang up job of keeping America safe after 9/11 by doing???? Oh yeah, you feel comfortable because he is...old and not black? Figures

Posted by: Agreeing with Sequoia | May 21, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Brigitte

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

"Real Clinton supporters are NOT leaving the party to vote for John McSame"

yes, we are.

No self-respecting woman would stay in a party that thinks sexism is cute and fine behavior in adults.
No self-respecting woman would stay with the DNC when it became appearant that the leadership is fine with any amount of hatred towards women so long as BHO isnt hurt.

Posted by: Tonya S. | May 21, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

She is simply and logically the best of the three choices.


-gala1

Posted by: gala1 | May 21, 2008 3:15 PM
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And despite this she's in third place with 33 million in debt. Where's the logic in that?

Posted by: fuzzy-math | May 21, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Agreeing with Sequoia, calling me old and near death (without knowing a thing about me) is, to my mind, a personal attack. But your denying it is unintentionally funny, I'll say that.

As for Clinton's and McCain's positions, it's not that they are that close, it's that McCain has a solid history of compromise. If Obama is President with a solidly Democratic congress, as is expected, the country will veer sharply to the left, rather than re-adjust to the middle as it should.

As far as foreign policy goes, I completely distrust Obama's readiness to deal with a crisis. Since I live with my children in New York, which has been attacked twice, and work right next to ground zero, domestic security is something I take seriously-too seriously to trust it to a neophyte like Obama.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | May 21, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Hillary will win the nomination and the presidency.

Posted by: brigitte | May 21, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

to vote for obama is to vote for pretty words and no action.

Better to have placeholder McCain than another carter (carter led to 15 years of republican control)

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

"Senator Clinton has shattered myths and broken barriers and changed the America in which my daughters and yours will come of age. And for that we are grateful to her." So sayeth the the current-day "messiah." Well I have news for him. Women have come of age. We don't have to wait until his daughters grow up to think of being the President of the US of A. Unlike most of the comments on Obama's words, I find his comments very unsettling- as if he thinks women must wait further yet to strive for a position as the President. I think Geraldine Ferraro is right- he is sexist! I'd like to let him know that were it not for the work of Hillary Clinton and others like her he as a Black man would not be standing where he is today! I think he should acknowledge that. We don't want to wait until his daughters grow up thank you very much, to enjoy the beenefits of full citizenship or to see a woman President!

Posted by: Pearl Bennett | May 21, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

LetsRok is the fake JakeD and Playa on the blog today. JakeD is a prick, but he's not racist; I can spot a fake of him immediately. And, anyone who supports Obama would never post the comments taht are being posted by Playa. You Republicans are so afraid of whichever DNC candidate that will prevail out of this race, that you've resulted in Russ tactics which are so childish and sooooo Republican, lol...grow the hell up and get an electable candidate. McCain looks like he's ready to take flight every time he raises both his arms waist high when giving a speech (did I say speech--what I meant was everytime he reads the telepromp) he's so off course. What he needs to do is take a public speaking course to get him in shape before going forward. What we don't need is another Bush like candidate making America look like unintelligent idiots on the world stage. McCain, why don't you just do the right thing and retire to some Leisure World type resort with your great great...great...great grandchildren!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Real Clinton supporters are NOT leaving the party to vote for John McSame. Republican mischief makers claiming to be Democrats on these boards are pretending to. It's a sham.
As a lifelong Democrat (first voted for Johnson) it is a stretch to believe REAL Democrats would vote for four more years of McBush and allow him to continue waging preemptive wars and choose the next 2-3 supreme court nominees all because Clinton came up short for the party's nominee.
REAL Democrats will vote for the party favorite this November. Repugnicans in Dem clothing will not.

Posted by: MikeR | May 21, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

BUSH McCain GOP OIL Policy Sets New Record

$133.90 up 5 X $24.00 pre Irag War for Oil

BUSH GOP RAGE LEVEL HAS REACHES

LEVEL RED - PREPARE FOR PISSED OFF FURIOUS MOBS at the voting boths in NOVEMBER

this will be ugly for the GOP

Posted by: blooddforoildictatorship | May 21, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Dyinglikeflies,

This was not a personal attack on you or other Clinton supporters, or moderates, or women so stop being so sensitive. The attack and it was an attack was on your lack of sensibility. Exactly how close do you think that Mccain and Clinton are on issues that should matter to you. Remember you are countering with an insult so if you can't take it act like an adult and just discuss the issues Ma'am.

Posted by: Agreeing with Sequoia | May 21, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

journalists are allowed to write their opinions. note the top of the column is called "Dan Balz's Take." Just calm down.

Posted by: 1eLle

1eLle, you're wrong and your acceptance of this blurring of the distinction between journalism and opinion is not helping. I do hope you drop out before you can do more harm.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

AMEN to common sense. There are a lot of irrational people in the world, and they spend too much time on blogs.

"Anybody who has ever voted for me or voted for Barack has much more in common in terms of what we want to see happen in our country and in the world with the other than they do with John McCain," Clinton said on CNN's "The Situation Room."

"I'm going to work my heart out for whoever our nominee is. Obviously, I'm still hoping to be that nominee, but I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me ... understands what a grave error it would be not to vote for Sen. Obama." Clinton was responding to a question from a CNN iReporter who asked why she thought so many of her supporters would choose McCain over Obama.

Posted by: Alice | May 21, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

By the way, not that old here. Plenty young enough to get to the polls and vote for McCain's re-election in 2012 (unless he's running against Hillary).

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Iowatreasures.......I read somewhere also that the Republicans were waiting for the supers to steal the nomination from Obama...they have a bag of dung on the Clintons, from the crimminal investigations, Hillary testifying in the trail that's currently underway, business deals, 2007 income taxes that are still yet to be released, all of the business ties that Mr. Bubba have with their library donors and they also had a stunning story about some new unfolding information that will "SHOCK" the public about Mrs. Clinton. Maybe this is way more supers on a daily base are moving into Obama's camp...btw 4-5 per day... Maybe the DNC knows more about whats the new "Shocker" on Mrs. Clinton that they are afraid of her and Bubba.....

Posted by: Kim | May 21, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Iowatreasures.......I read somewhere also that the Republicans were waiting for the supers to steal the nomination from Obama...they have a bag of dung on the Clintons, from the crimminal investigations, Hillary testifying in the trail that's currently underway, business deals, 2007 income taxes that are still yet to be released, all of the business ties that Mr. Bubba have with their library donors and they also had a stunning story about some new unfolding information that will "SHOCK" the public about Mrs. Clinton. Maybe this is way more supers on a daily base are moving into Obama's camp...btw 4-5 per day... Maybe the DNC knows more about whats the new "Shocker" on Mrs. Clinton that they are afraid of her and Bubba.....

Posted by: Kim | May 21, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse


91% of Afro Americans vote for Obama in Pennsylvania while 70% of white Americans vote for Clinton in West Virginia and Kentucky yet there are "signs" of racism in Kentucky and West Virginia.............Maybe there are signs of racism, I don't know. What confuses me a bit is that 91% of the Afro American vote for Obama and there are no "signs of racism" there.............Wouldn't it be a better world if 51% of whites voted for Obama and 51% of blacks voted for Hillary.........Where is the "two way street" here?

Posted by: burt | May 21, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Apparently the highly-educated Obama supporters don't include reading an entire article as part of their skill. How about putting out your hand and shutting up your venom? No wonder we Hillary supporters are leaving the party. Who's the REAL bigots? YOU ARE!

Posted by: Jenny | May 21, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

"Sequoia is totally right about what she said. You and the few non-democrats who support Hillary but would rather have a third Bush term are pathetic. Dyinglikeflies perfectly describes this base of people. Old, unhealthy, and a remaining short lifespan.

Posted by: Agreeing with Sequoia "

Poor children.
But at least I can thank you for posting these diatribes against anyone who disagrees with you. It reinforces the feeling among people who support Clinton that the Obama crowd was and is delusional. So keep posting, Obama cultists. If you run out of nasty names to call moderates or women, I'll send you a thesaurus.

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | May 21, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

My pappy is going under the name 37 and O, and Words of Wisdom. He likes to write posts with one and then agree with the other.

Posted by: svreaderjr | May 21, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

To all the Clinton supporters threatening to vote for McBush:

 Quote Hillary Clinton, May 14, 08:
"Anybody who has ever voted for me or voted for Barack has much more in common in terms of what we want to see happen in our country and in the world with the other than they do with John McCain," Clinton said on CNN's "The Situation Room."

"I'm going to work my heart out for whoever our nominee is. Obviously, I'm still hoping to be that nominee, but I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that anyone who supported me ... understands what a grave error it would be not to vote for Sen. Obama."

Seems pretty loud and clear to me.

Posted by: napperfat | May 21, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton are up to no-good. Watch what happens...

Posted by: royals1 | May 21, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

I'd really hate to see Hillary as the VP. NO offense meant to her or her supporters, but I just don't think it would be a healthy working relationship. An ex-president and an ex-first lady, both of whom probably believe they know more about how things work than the elected president. That's a lot of alphas working the same room if you know what I mean.

Then there's the theme of change that is the core of Obama's candidacy. Hillary doesn't represent that (she was experience remember). It just runs counter to Obama's main message.

Promise her the first opening on the Supreme Court as has been suggested elsewhere.

Posted by: Max | May 21, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

She'll never stop. She has said so many times, why doesn't the media believe her?

Civil war, friendly fire, insurrection. Call it what you want. She's going down fighting to the last dying dog.

Remember the leadup to the Iraq invasion? Bush spent months loading troops into Kuwait. Was there any chance that he would NOT invade after all that effort? No. Same with Clinton. She has been at it so long, she'll never concede.

She thinks it will somehow help her future chances. I don't see it. Nope. With all due respect, she is a menace... to herself, the party, and the nation.

Posted by: steve boyington | May 21, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Cabin John:

I have never posted as "Playa". In fact, up until today, I thought he/she/it was a true Obama supporter. In case you haven't noticed, I am not an Obama supporter. Let me know if you have any questions.

P.S. -- who is "svreader" posting as now?

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Cut off your nose to spite your face?

Go ahead? Vote for McCain.

And when your grand kids die in that 100 year war, remember

You helped do it.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

For the commenter who took a personal shot at Dan Balz...although I am a Hillary supporter, as a journalism major in undergrad...journalists are allowed to write their opinions. note the top of the column is called "Dan Balz's Take." Just calm down.

Posted by: 1eLle | May 21, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

right... good luck

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

>>> As one Democrat put it Wednesday, "If she wants veep and doesn't get it, that truly would be ugly."

If Clinton wants it, she will get it even if Obama does not want her on ticket. After all we are taking about the Democratic Party here. No where in free world primary results are allocated some funny way just to protect all the political tribes.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

It is time for the Obama voters to realize that even if they won the election they can't win the Presidency without Hillary Clinton and her voters.

It is time for Obama to say publicly that any of those people who constantly spew the venom and hate against Clinton are welcome in his campaign.

Calling the Clinton's racists while the Obama campaign needed to turn him into the Black candidate to win SC, NC and Mississippi should come to an end. The more that white supporters of Clintons are called racists the less likely they will be to vote for Obama. Obama got 92% of the African American vote and no one has a problem with that and they shouldn't it makes sense. But don't call the many white voters who just see Hillary as the better candidate racist. Of course some are and of course that will be a problem for Obama but lump them all together and he will surely lose.

The reality is the Democrats have one candidate who can definitely win all the states that Kerry won and add Ohio, Arkansas and most likely Florida and win enough electoral votes to be elected President and that is Hillary Clinton.

The Obama campaign needs to figure out what states he can add and potentially which he will lose. Today's VA poll shows him 8% behind McCain with Warner handily winning the Senate race. That may be something we see around the country.

But again if there is any chance for Obama he needs the Clintons and Hillary's supporters so keep that in mind next time some Clinton hater wants to spew venom- you are hurting the person you want to see as President.

Posted by: peter DC | May 21, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I like the idea of having no experience in Washington, but I am dead set against no exerience.

Posted by: thelaw1 | May 21, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Who cares what you do Amy. Go ahead and vote against women's rights. All of us will be laughing at you anyway.

Posted by: Ben | May 21, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

All of you folks like --

Iowatreasurers and SVReader--

Why don't yall blog for McCain?

Hillary is Toast!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

For those like Amy who say they will refuse to vote for Obama if he wins, even after Hillary has asked you to do so: I hope you explore your motivation for this decision. By not voting for Obama you are supporting McCain. McCain is a Republican. Republicans hate women and other living things. Pro-Life? Got that. More Iraq? Check. Corporate over Citizen? Yep.

And I offer this: if your motivation is gender based in any way then you have condoned and supported sexism. So the next time you face a sexist remark be true to yourself and say "I support sexism".

You can't have it both ways - you can't vote for her because she is female and then complain about sexism. Well, you can, but doing so makes you a fool.

Posted by: Martiniano | May 21, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Dyinglikeflies,

Sequoia is totally right about what she said. You and the few non-democrats who support Hillary but would rather have a third Bush term are pathetic. Dyinglikeflies perfectly describes this base of people. Old, unhealthy, and a remaining short lifespan.

Posted by: Agreeing with Sequoia | May 21, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Obama says he was against the Iraq war. Then when he got to the Senate he voted for war appropriations when others didn't, and he said there was "no room" between himself and Bush on Iraq.
Can YOU say flip-flop?

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | May 21, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Please Hillary just keep campaigning in Puerto Rico, Montana and South Dakota so Obama can end this on June 3rd.

Hillary's relationship with the Democratic Party when it comes to Obama is like a mother (Hillary) and daughter (Democratic Party). The Democratic Party respects Hillary but is in love with Obama. Hillary is saying to the Democratic Party "stay with me because Obama is bad for you"..."don't leave the nest".

Just like a mother who doesn't want to let go of her adult daughter to marry the man she loves, Hillary doesn't want to let go of the Democratic Party to support Obama , the man the party loves.

Posted by: AJ | May 21, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I get it... "JakeD" and "Playa" are the same (poor excuse for a) person. Took me long enough; shame on me.

Posted by: Cabin John | May 21, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

To those of you who feel strongly about whether Hillary or Barack wins the Democratic nomination and are threatening to write in the other candidate's name on the November ballot, stay home or vote for McCain, consider this.

Barack and Hillary are virtually identical on the issues. This implies that whoever wins the Democratic nomination is likely to be the same kind of president as the other. Both are very different from McCain.

McCain says he knows little about the economy and doesn't care too much about it. Is that the kind of president we want? He first called Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy irresponsible; now he says they are the way to repair the economy (have they worked so far to get us out of our economic mess?). Can you say "flip-flop"?

McCain called the religious right "agents of intolerance". Now he sucks up to them for their votes. Can you say "flip-flop"?

McCain said setting a timetable for leaving Iraq would be the equivalent of surrendering. Now he says we'll be out by 2013. Can you say "flip-flop"?

Do you want a president who abandons his principles to pander to the wealthy and the religious right? oh, that's right. We've had that for 8 years. How's that working for you? If you want 8 more years of the same, go ahead and boycott the Democratic nominee because he or she wasn't the one you wanted. Give up the America your candidate promised you (because both Democrats promise to deliver the same thing) and stick with the America we have that 80% of the people say is headed in the wrong direction because that's what McCain will deliver.

Posted by: common sense | May 21, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I won't vote Obama. I don't owe the DNC a d*mn thing.

Posted by: Amy | May 21, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Vote for Hillary if you want any more women lib stuff than you can possibly handle.

Vote for Obama if you want to suffer punishment/ retribution for enslaving them in the past.

Vote for McCain if you want to get rid of these two chimps in favor of a donkey.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

"As one Democrat put it Wednesday, 'If she wants veep and doesn't get it, that truly would be ugly.'"

As Barack says, this election isn't about him or her but about the country. Hillary cannot seriously expect to be selected VP without, frankly, a huge amount of deference (i.e. sucking up) to Obama before the convention. She's a proud woman, and I doubt she could do that to the extent required. A cabinet or Supreme Court position might be the best she can get, unless she does a complete political make-over as the converted Obama loyalist--rather like George H. W. Bush did when he lost the nomination fight and was picked by Reagan to be VP. We'll see how she behaves between now and the Convention. In the meantime, it's safe to keep her on the short list.

Posted by: B in PA | May 21, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I believe those pundits who state the Hillary supporters will do what is best for the Democratic party with Obama as it's nominee are very sadly mistaken. Under no circumstances will we vote for him. And just for the record, not all are Democrats. Here is Massachusetts, a state in which both Senators are Obama supporters, you will find very few people who are willing to support Obama. We have gone for McCain in the past and will do so again... Also, there are movements to remove from office those elected officials who are supporting Obama. So those who remain undeclared superdelegates should be well aware that it's their political future on the line.... We are watching......

Posted by: LAMM01 | May 21, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I am amused at the constant build up of anxiety over every primary. The conclusions are foregone; Hillary wins this state and Obama that one. Also, the constant talk about this super delegate backing Hillary and that super delegate backing Obama. A super delegate can change their mind right up to the point that they actually vote. Obama for VP! Hillary for VP! We have to get into the White House no matter what the cost! Say anything; do anything! Is that what you want? Win at all costs?

The fate of the planet in mind? What hypocrisy! This continual bombasity further alienates those who would seriously consider either of these candidates. We have to unite you say; we have to be together or we won't win. Is it about winning or about the fate of the planet? Get your story straight.

Lastly, put your morals and principles where your mouth is and make an informed decision. What do either of these candidates really stand for? When are we going to see an article that lays out, side by side, what each is pledging or promising to do if they become President? That way, if they get in, we can really see if they were telling the truth or just telling us what they think we want to hear so they can get elected. Get to the issues, not Hillary's thighs, Obama's skin tone, Hillary's elitist meglomatic demeanor, Obamas smug and naive self rightousness. Its time to put up or shut up.

Posted by: Teddy W | May 21, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Vote for Hillary if you want any more women lib stuff than you can possibly handle.

Vote for Obama if you want to suffer punishment/ retribution for enslaving them in the past.

Vote for McCain if you want to get rid of these two chimps in favor of a donkey.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

This is all bad. Oregon was touted as the more important primary. Why? Kentucky has 500,000 more residents, more votes were cast yesterday for Clinton than Obama. Oregon has the smaller of the two populations, but yet got one more pledged delegate.

I hate that my party wants to disenfranchise voters in Michigan and Florida. I did not want them to be excluded in the first place, I still think they should include them.

It also bugs me that the best Democratic candidate, Gov. Richardson, had to drop out because so few early voters chose him. Now that it is only Obama and Clinton, it is sad that Gov. Richardson is not our nominee.

Either current contender is going to be scary. Either will sign any legislation that a Democratic congress puts on his or her desk. It will not matter if the legislation defies common sense or not.

Posted by: thelaw1 | May 21, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

sequoia, sorry you don't wanna send the love, but I'm voting for McCain for two reasons: He's infinitely more qualified than Obama, and because of people like you who demonstrate that Obama supporters are a bit, shall we say, unhinged.

I suggest you read your own post before you talk about other people having "tantrums".

Posted by: dyinglikeflies | May 21, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The only ones who benefit from election of any Presidential candidate in 08 are the 35 million illegal aliens in the USA and their extended families who will join them all of who will, as a virtue of their poverty, receive tax paid free medical, welfare benefits, housing subsidies and free college tutition for their anchor babies.

Meanwhile, American citizens will lose their first amendment rights owing to Council LaRaza's hate campaign, their second amendment rights owing to Bama's vow to restrict individual gun possession and their choice to believe in any number of Gods because Obama considers that belief the reason Americans are angey about illegal immigration.

Time for a third Party.

Posted by: Tom Jefferson | May 21, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I WILL vote for Hillary for President this year (2008). I'll either be supporting a Clinton/probably Obama ticket or I will WRITE-IN Hillary Clinton for President.

Posted by: JMK | May 21, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Vote for Hillary if you want any more women lib stuff than you can possibly handle.

Vote for Obama if you want to suffer punishment/ retribution for enslaving them in the past.

Vote for McCain if you want to get rid of these two chimps in favor of a donkey.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I can't imagine Hillary as VP, unless she putinizes the medvedev. Cheney II?

Posted by: Peter Roach | May 21, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

balz and his campaign-covering colleagues could have saved a lot of ink if they had read this item several months ago: www.straightrecord.com/dems. that carrying out the democratic campaign to the bitter end has ended well would have been no surprise to the readers of that piece. but, that piece also says the superdelegates should freeze their votes until the convention, just in case. when will the pundits and reporters catch u to that?

Posted by: rapswork | May 21, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Everyone's talking about what the Republicans are going to do to Michelle Obama. It's interesting that the head of RNC told Tennessee to pull the ad because Cindy (Aka) Drug Addict Queen with dead bodies (not just skeletons) in her closet. This will be sooo much fun because then the public will get to learn about how McOld But left his ailing cripple wife with children for a rich drug addict whose families owns and sleeps with lobbyist.....Oh. boy this will be great...can't wait to hear about how McCain didn't even want to pay his handicap wife child support and Cindy thought that it was funny. I love the way O'Bama put the message out there "...lay off my wife...." "The notion that Republicans are going to come after my wife and family and I'm not going to do anything".....Cindy Drug Addict Adulteress McCain is fair game! Bring it on!

Posted by: Kim | May 21, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Iowatreasures: "I read somewhere that the..."

IE you pulled it out of your arse. Got a link? Nope, because the internet doesn't link to your arse.

Posted by: kevrobb | May 21, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse


It's true. Most Hillary supporters are good Democrats and rational beings. ONLY the MOST deranged Hillary fanatics would vote for a Third Bush Term just to take revenge on Democracy itself. Most Hillary supporters are good Democrats and rational beings. They are disappointed that their perferred candidate lost, but they like Hillary will do the right thing.

But to the others, the rabid, wild-eyed Hillary freaks who promise to vote for McCain, I say fo f*ck yourselves. You aren't real Democrats anyway and our party is better off without you. The millions of new voters Obama has brought in will more than make up for your pathetic little tantrum, so do your worst, losers!

Posted by: sequoia | May 21, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama would have to urinate on George W Bush's dog and then punt him over the White House fence to lose this primary. Let's get on to the general election and stop pretending...

Posted by: edsbowlingshoe | May 21, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

This is liking watching a train wreck in super slo-motion.

I like the idea of Hillary as a Supreme (court justice). She can spew all the venom she wants without retribution.

She's made her point, but lost the bid nonetheless. Yes she's got to stay in the picture for damage control - due to her selfish extension in denial. Enough already. Hooray for Hillary. Goodbye Hillary. June 3rd can't come soon enough.

Posted by: Bobblehead Bill | May 21, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I suppose Obama has to "play nice" with Hillary even though she has said that he is unqualified to be president (but he could be VP!) that he is "just the black candidate" or that he is an elitist.

Obama needs Hillary's supporters. No question about it. It would have made things a whole lot simpler if she would have stuck to the issues rather then going with negative personal attacks.

Posted by: David | May 21, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

The best outcome would be Hillary announcing publicly that she told Obama that she thought it best not to be his VP even if he was thinking of her. Then no one thinks he spurned her, he can pick someone without her negatives (such as that, whatever her strengths, she undermines his message of moving past the old politics - just unfortunate timing for her on that), and do something to shore up his other problems. He could pick someone with impeccable foreign policy skills, unquestioned patriotism, and in touch with working class whites. Chuck Hagel would indeed be a stunner, and we would have two thoughtful candidates on the same ticket. that would truly be a first.

Posted by: JoeT1 | May 21, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama, hillary and McCain
Are all a bit of a pain,
Voting for them vouches nil gain.
What a shame America
What a shame!

Posted by: intelliplus | May 21, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I read somewhere that the Republicans are going to drop a new video into the public arena in October. A video of Michelle Obama railing on against "whiteys" in the same pulpit that Rev. Wright professed his hatred for America sermons.

They said it is a bombshell that will knock Barack and Michelle out of the running. And, we can't say white people are voting for Hillary - that is too racist? But the Obama camp can say that 92% of blacks are voting for Obama.

I think things got rather screwed up in this nomination process. Hillary has more voters voting for her, and the super delegates are ignoring that fact because that isn't what the "talking points" memos that the Obama/Axelrod camp sends out.

Come on Super delegates, get a back bone, be pro-American, not pro-Nancy Pelosi or Donna Brazile, and for sure not pro=John Kerry, or Daschle, or Bill Richardson.

They are already losers trying to catch the next train to Washington. Super delegates, do the right thing - endorse Hillary and stabilize our country again. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | May 21, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Obama , Hillary and McCain,
Are all a bit of a pain,
Voting for them vouches nil gain.
What a shame America,
What a shame!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

@@@@@@@@

This is what HRC is going to do:

Posture as if she wants the VP slot,
but not really wanting it.

Obama knows he can't have
her on the ticket because it
doesn't add votes he will already
get.

So he is going to have to
reject her. That way she
doesn't have to campaign for
him and her hardcore
voters won't go for him

That frees her up for
2012.

Remember these are the
Klintons, they pushed for
a war they KNEW should
not have been fought in
the hopes it would kill
the republicans and make
way for her in 2008.

@@@@@@@@@@@

Posted by: klintonkoolaid | May 21, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

The problem is Uneducated White voters never had the fine points of race and racism explained to them by learned professors. Not having a higher education to reply upon they must substitute common sense.

1.They have a very hard time understanding how one can sit in Church for 20 years and support ones friend and mentor week after week, month after month, year after year with your money, family and attendance while listening to Hate American, Hate whites, Hate every thing rants, (with the exception of Blacks and Muslins) means that you have not endorsed and do not believe in the Message and you have not endorsed and do not believe in the MESSENGER.
2.They have a hard time understanding why when Whites kill Blacks it is a hate crime but just crime when Black kill Whites.
3.Why all Blacks Colleges and and All black Miss American etc. etc is not discrimination.
4.Why being Black is more important than than Ability, Character, Motivation or other qualification in getting in Schools, Jobs, etc. etc.
5.They have a very hard time understanding why Whites voting for whites is racism but it is not racism for over 90% of Blacks voting for Obama.
6.They do not understand why believing in God, lovering this Nation, supporting the second Amendment, supporting Article IV Section IV of our Constitution against Invasion, and supporting the rule of Law, makes them intelligibly infer and bitter and the object of scorn and ridicule by Obama and his Cult followers!
7.Finally they just cannot comprehend how 2 very big wrongs make 1 great Right!

Posted by: Black Saint | May 21, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

CLINTON IS BEING PUSHED INTO CAPITULATION

The selection process should be played out. Democracy won't be the worse off for it ....

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/05/clinton-and-capitulation.html

... AND the U.S. needs it.
    

Posted by: PacificGatePost | May 21, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

An Obama-Clinton ticket may be the surest way to reconcile Hillary and her supporters with Obama, as implied by some quoted here.

But an Obama candidacy best suited for a general election that's apt to center on issues of security at home and abroad might instead do better to offer as VP candidate Jim Webb, Sam Nunn, Chuck Hagel or Joe Biden.

It seems difficult to optimize both of these crucial needs with a single position for the campaign, as important as we have been reminded the Vice President can become.

Posted by: FirstMouse | May 21, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I said I would be on the WP blog every day to encourage Hillary supporters to write her name in on the ballot if she is not the nominee.

In my e-mail today, I discovered an article about people who are getting together to help people know what their state's rules are for using the write-in vote.

Here is the e-mail address if you want to join this group, or get info about your state's rules. gw.:

Info@writehillaryin.com
The DNC,, the elitists, the Obama/Axelrod camp, and the media don't believe we are serious, but we are. Some are joining this group because they are feminists, others have their own reasons for not wanting Obama to be our President. I don't want him in the White House with access to our international information agencies, our private wire tapping capabilities and our nuclear arms. I also don't want to see him flipping people off that he is angry with, and I don't want to see Michelle Obama with her chastiing, immature, hateful attitude about our America.

gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | May 21, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I think the Clinton supporters bolting threat is over played. The majority of democrats will never vote for McCain or not vote at all, not especially this year after Bush's 2nd term. Just look at how the congressional races are playing out. There is only a small fraction of hard core Clintonites, mostly females that feel jilted and these were never going for anyone other than Hillary.

Posted by: Bud | May 21, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Cut-throat juggernaut of post-wet binoculars pointing headlong into self-indulgent jiggling jell-o bowls of nonsensical fluff and macaroni noodles show the underbelly of your thrist and misguided hunger just in time for the 'self' to ball spike itself into formaldehyde. rich/rent the show, make a spectacle of cotton candy and ice cream for the feather will be soon to fall from the crow's wing to cut the tip and to ink it away from all your cludy flickering mind screens.

Posted by: rip-cord jones, the caller | May 21, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

gala1: Maybe your post was "censored" because it is 1) poorly reasoned; and 2) poorly written.

Vote Obama!

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

biograph1985: Legit.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Playa: fake.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully Obama rejects any call to make Clinton his VP. The last thing the Obama (or any Democrat) Administration needs now is Ringmaster Hillary and Bubba the Clown bringing back their circus. Additionally, this country isn't ready for a double-minority ticket, so Obama will probably need to choose a Southern white male, like VA Sen. Jim Webb. I look forward to the swearing in of President Obama.

Posted by: biograph1985 | May 21, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Tiredofit: Legit.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Ovama, don't get all dressed up: you're going nowhere.

McCain has a bomb awaiting for you. He's smart: he knows Hillary will smash him in the race.

Thus, he'll wait until Ovama cajoles, threatens and steals the democratic nomination.

Then...boooooooom!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

No "affirmitive action" candidates will be elected president. Both Hillary and Obama do not qualify to lead the American people. They have not earned the right.

Posted by: LetsRok | May 21, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse


We need a liar, with no respect for rules, who's run ahead of the law, criminal and civil too many times, even with first lady... (lady?)

The supreme court as constitute is no great shakes. But a Clinton? Maybe the king of trutiness, Bill.

But no worry, you can't easily money grub as a justice. She wouldn't stay.

Posted by: Harriet | May 21, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Gala1...Jethro wannabes and their country cuzzins don't get to decide the democratic nominee. We do. President Barak Obama...has a nice ring to it, don't you agree?

Posted by: Playa | May 21, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Re PGR88 on Michelle Obama's "negative, self-pitying, anti-american commentary"--did you grow up in this country or some Disneyesque fantasy cocoon? If Michelle Obama can upset your dream world we ought to keep her around--even if it means her husband loses the election.

Posted by: John Yates | May 21, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Playa:

What percentage you think of Clinton supporters are RACIST?

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

No on the Gorbachev.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

THIS POST HAS BEEN CENSORED OFF THE HUFFINGTON POST:

Obama should decide whether he wants to be the first black candidate to lose or the first black Vice-President.

Hillary isn't his impediment. She's his his way up to the next step. A Clinton-Obama ticket probably won't lose.
An Obama-Anybody ticket probably won't win.

At which point will the Obamabots start considering that Obama isn't ultimately running against Clinton, but against John McCain?

Being the candidate doesn't mean a whole lot if you aren't the winner.

And so who is it that is supposed to end up voting for Obama? All he's carrying are the same places that gave Kerry his blue approval.

Do you seriously think that people who voted TWICE for Bush and rejected both Dean and Kerry as too peculiar to suit a predictably American mind-set are going to vote ONCE for Obama?

And why should they?

He has nothing tangible to offer them other than ambition followed up by bad judgement.

If he can't even control the extraordinary way his supporters have managed to permanently turn off a great number of Democrats who preferred Hillary and will vote McCain or write-in, how can he be expected to co-operate with a Congress that doesn't include affirmative action and on the job training as part of their responsibility.

He can tell you whatever you want to hear, and if you believe rhetoric is worth any more than the paper its printed on, well, exactly what do you think a campaign politician would be saying, anyway?
He very visibly has no way to relate to Joe Sixpack and Joel let him know that.

It's not what you or I want that will win. It's what the middle will carry.

And being in one of those Flyover places, all I'm seeing are people being resigned to voting for McCain. Usually at 3 or 5 to one in situations I've been keeping tabs on.

They want Hillary or McCain.
I'm writing in Hillary. I would in this election if even if she were a plaid hermaphrodite.

She is simply and logically the best of the three choices.


-gala1

Posted by: gala1 | May 21, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

JackD...get ready to live under President Barak Obama. Hillary is history!

Posted by: Playa | May 21, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Oh No! sounds legit.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse


Our boy Balz, who has at least quit showing those sweet, pictures of the fetic Hillaryat the top of thie column..

now proposes to convince everyone that her hack campaign to stay onthe state is a good thing, doesn't hurt anything?

Like Hell. Her sole purpose is to cut so short the time to campaign against McCain
that Obama will have trouble winning.

DOES she thinks that will mean aN AUTOMATIC nomination for her next time?
Never. And with her increasing negatives,
she'd be a horrid choice for vP this time.
The only opther way she could bring obama down is by running with him.

The Clintons are nasty, spoiled childish brats. In a country that needs adults, and
extraordinary adult leaders badly.

For those who debate what to 'give' her
the supreme court? the senate leadership? whatever...she should be given a swift kick in the big pants suit and sent
to whereever louses go.

Posted by: Tiredofit | May 21, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

P.S. to zuckermand:

Was that you quibbling about Gorbachev's April 20, 1985 speech on "The Fact Checker" thread?

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I eat ass!

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Gosh I hope she doesn't want on the ticket and that he doesn't put her on it. If he won the Presidency you'd have three people trying to assert themselves in power (Barack, Hillary, AND Bill). No one should be saddled with that.

If she hates the Senate as has been reported, she'd find herself President of the Senate. I liked the article online this morning which touted her as a Supreme Court possibility.

Posted by: Oh No! | May 21, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

O.K., thanks, Playa. Now tell us what percentage of Hillary supporters you think are RACISTS?

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

'Cuz Barak is the proper african way of spelling this name. Barack is a corrupted Americanized version.

Posted by: Playa | May 21, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Time to save the nation.

Vote Obama for President, and appoint Clinton to the Supreme Court.

Obama for President in '08!

Posted by: JBE | May 21, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

She deserves the vp.She has worked so hard in the campain.People tend to forget good things that Clinton has done in the past.

Posted by: Rosa | May 21, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Playa:

Why aren't you spelling his first name correctly, then?

zuckermand:

You were right. I just didn't want to believe it.

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Dude, not all Hillary's supporters are racist, and not all Obama's supporters are sexist. Sort goes both ways man. The important thing is beating John McCain.
I personally would be sick if I had to vote for Hillary, but that has more to do with her voting for the Iraq war. Still I would vote for her if she had won the nomination.
I prefer Obama simply because he is the least experienced. Experience in Washington D.C. means a higher probability of corruption.

Posted by: ToJakeD | May 21, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

She deserves the vp.She has worked so hard in the campain.People tend to forget good things that Clinton has done in the past.

Posted by: Rosa | May 21, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

JakeD....you bet your cracka behind that I'm an Obama supporter. We gonna bring peace to the middle east, and we gonna make the wall street fat cats pay their fair share of taxes to help single mothers and inner city kids. Our native son Barak leading us on...we gonna end poverty and AIDS in Africa.

Posted by: Playa | May 21, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I believe it is now obvious, though, that most of their writers (and that means, editors, unless they are simply stupid) are "in the tank" for Barack HUSSEIN Obama. SNL had it right.

Posted by: JakeD

I've been telling you this for 9 months. Where's my props?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Is it the end of democratic party, or the end of Obamaligans you are talking about, Dan?

Posted by: Power Spectrum | May 21, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

You forgot about Michelle - Obama's campaign will have to have to send her into exile for the next 6 months. Republicans are anxiously awaiting her next round of negative, self-pitying, anti-american commentary.

Posted by: PGR88 | May 21, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"Whatever the Obama team's original intentions for the Iowa rally, the candidate in the end was able to find the right pitch."

Just who the hell is Dan Balz to render this sort of judgment? I thought he was a reporter for the Washington Post. Why is he doing anything other than typing up what the candidates said and confirming or disproving their accuracy?
I understand Obama supporters willing to accept Mr Balz's completely inappropriate and unprofessional behavior while it benefits their favorite, but it's shortsighted for them to assume he won't be won over by McCain's mavericky manliness in a few months. You'll forgive us if we call your inevitable whining hypocritical when the time comes.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Great fairy tale ending, but now she's off to try to stir up Michigan and Florida voters to believe that he's the enemy, the way she's tried to persuade the white "working class" to believe he's the enemy. She may have toned down the most offensive attacks in the last few days, but she's continuing to do significant damage to the Dems chances in November. It's an incredibly selfish posture. I've supported Hillary in the past (and even maxed out for her Senate campaign), but I've lost a lot of respect for her in the last couple of months.

Posted by: Steve R | May 21, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous at 2:50 PM:

So, you are saying that "Playa" is NOT an Obama supporter? She/he/it could have fooled me ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

President Barak Obama...has a nice ring to it, don't you agree?

Posted by: Playa | May 21, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

larry g:

I don't "worry" about anything (Matthew 6:25-34).

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Shillary and her blue collar voters...get lost. We're far too intelligent and educated to care a dime about what you Jethro wannabes want or are bitter about. Next time you cling to your guns, I hope you shoot yourselves.

Posted by: Playa | May 21, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

If anyone (other than Playa) wants to ask about fake JakeD post, please let me know.

Back on topic, up until today, I had been giving WaPo the benefit of the doubt. I believe it is now obvious, though, that most of their writers (and that means, editors, unless they are simply stupid) are "in the tank" for Barack HUSSEIN Obama. SNL had it right.

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Jake D why don't you worry about Mcsame and the Republicans , they need your help
we don't

Posted by: larry g | May 21, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Okay, here's a further note about the idiots and trolls posting here. The ones sneering about Hillary are obviously Republican plants. Don't fall for it.

Give this a little time and a few normal folks (meaning people actually stating their positions, as opposed to the operatives) will post. You can judge for yourself from their writing who they are. They will write the way normal people talk and will not be insanely rude, stupid, and insulting.

I'm not kidding. These people writing insults about Hillary Clinton (or those soon to post similar insults re Obama) truly are not Obama supporters (nor will those be Clinton supporters). There's been more of this fakery the longer this has gone on.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

What hypocrisy: If the roles were reversed Senator Clinton would have claimed victory soon after North Carolina primaries. Senator Obama has been too nice to her and has tolerated her lies and shenanigans for far too long. She is not trustworthy and should not be on the ticket. She would be a burden IMHO.

Posted by: Hobbs | May 21, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

JakeD also claimed in a previous post that he was a NAMLA member. Why would anyone do that, unless he was a total moron and wanted to get arrested by the police?

Posted by: Playa | May 21, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

For those unfamiliar with JakeD, he is a self-assigned provacateur who posts hostile comments about Obama and Clinton and their supporters on nearly every story. The general idea, as far as I can tell, is to keep the Democratic Party divided for the fall. Just ignore him.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 21, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Bye bye...Shillary. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

President Barak Obama...has a nice ring to it.

Posted by: Playa | May 21, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Goodbye, Hill-Bot

And take BubbaZipper with ya.

A great day for America, when the Rdlentless Ambition carnival finally expires.

Posted by: Chuckamok | May 21, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

"A Clinton adviser, who asked not to be identified in order to speak more freely about the view from inside, reinforced Murphy's concern. "I think [Obama] finally got close to the tone he should have had for a couple weeks now and it's important that he get his supporters on board with that as well."

Does that include calling Clinton supporters "RACISTS" or not?

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

"The right pitch"?! Are you headed over for an "official" position with Obama's campaign, too, or was it decided best to continue your undercover work here at the WaPo?

Posted by: JakeD | May 21, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

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