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Bill Clinton, Inching Toward the Exit


Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) and her husband, former president Bill Clinton, chat with customers at Lynn's Paradise Cafe during a campaign stop in Louisville, Ky., May 20, 2008 (Associated Press)

By Perry Bacon Jr.
LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- For Hillary Clinton's staff, two for the price of one has always been complicated.

On the day Kentucky heads to the polls, former president Bill Clinton joined his wife to greet people at Lynn's Paradise Cafe, a kitschy restaurant here. A reporter shouted a question at Hillary Clinton, asking, "Would you want to comment on sexism in the campaign?" It's a theme many Clinton supporters have raised, as has the candidate herself.

"Oh, I'm just having a good time talking to everybody in Kentucky," Sen.Clinton said, brushing the question aside to resume posing for pictures and chatting with voters.

Bill Clinton, who was following behind his wife, had no such reluctance when a reporter asked him a similar question a few minutes later.

"I'm not sure anybody knows yet," he said when asked how his wife's gender has affected her candidacy, "but I think that over time, if you look at the votes, people have become more comfortable about a woman."

He added, "I don't think there is any question there have been moments of gender bias ... but she keeps going."

At this point, one of his wife's aides shouted, "Thanks, guys," looking to end the impromptu news conference.

The former president greeted a few more people but couldn't resist responding to more questions as they were shouted at him.

"All she ever asked was to let everybody vote and count every vote, do the right and decent thing by Florida and Michigan, don't let the Republicans seem more enlightened than us," he said, in response to a query about the state of her candidacy.

Asked about a joint ticket between his wife and Barack Obama, the ex-president said: "I have no business talking about that. There are only two people in America who should be talking about that. The rest of us should be silent and observe."

As for Obama's reported plan to declare tonight that he has won the race among pledged delegates, the former president said, "They won't be tonight unless you decapitate Michigan and Florida, which violates our values and is dumb politics. ... Republicans are supposed to be the people who don't count votes in Florida, not Democrats."

Even as he restated campaign talking points, Clinton aides repeatedly shouted, "Thanks, guys, thanks" and suggested the buses that bring the press to and from events would soon leave, as Hillary Clinton was near the door.

Hardly anyone moved, and the ex-president spoke again of how the GOP seemed "more enlightened" than the Democrats in how it handled the complicated situation of Michigan and Florida, which violated the rules of both parties by holding their primaries on non-sanctioned dates.

As Bill Clinton finally started wandering away from reporters, he was asked if he was ready for the process to be over.

"There are three more left; then I'll be ready for it to be over," he said.

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Blacks voting for blacks is not racism. However, blacks not voting for whites because of their color IS racism. Blacks have voted and elected numerous white presidents before. Have whites elected a black president before?

The Clintons should stop whinning. They have both played the gender card and the race card, now they're playing the press-is-not-fair card. Obama has won based on the written rules all candidates agreed to, the Clintons want to rewrite the rules as part of the end game.

Posted by: Virginia1 | May 21, 2008 7:15 AM

Response

Reverse racism. Voting for Obama can only be because he is Black.

He never votes in the Senate, 2nd highest non voting member. Empty speech in a suit. Non policy running candidate and a race baiter to boot.

Before you start whining, I am African American.

Posted by: Informed Democrat | May 27, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING FROM INFORMED DEMOCRATS TO DNC

To: DNC Members
From: Informed Democrats
Re: Understanding of Florida Primary Rule Violations
Date: Until Michigan and Florida are Seated

Dear Governor Dean & Esteemed DNC Members,

STATEMENT OF UNDERSTANDING: As an informed Democrat, I am seeking to understand when will, we, Democratic voters see true equity in the Democratic Presidential Primary race?

RULES OF UNDERSTANDING: According to the rules of the Florida Democratic Presidential Primary, agreed to by all Democratic Presidential Primary candidates, no Democratic candidate was to advertise in Florida prior to the Florida primary.

FACTS OF UNDERSTANDING: Senator Barack Obama purchased national cable advertising and advertised HEAVILY in the State of Florida prior to the January presidential primary.

REQUEST OF OUTCOME BASED ON UNDERSTANDING: When will Senator Barack Obama and his campaign receive written (and publicized) notification he is; therefore, disqualified from receiving ANY of the delegates he and his campaign are seeking when Florida is ultimately seated, based on he and his campaign's failure to follow DNC rules?

EQUITY IN UNDERSTANDING: As a lifelong, Informed Democrat I know and understand you and the esteemed members of the DNC will do everything in your power to make an equitable decision in this matter, with liberty and justice for all.

THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING INFORMED DEMOCRATS REQUEST: Thank you in advance for the time and attention you and the esteemed members of the DNC have and will give to this matter, because we know you and the members, hold that all men and women are related equal in DNC decision-making. Right?

THE ONLY UNDERSTANDABLE OUTCOME: Seat Michigan and Florida, as they are currently counted, and award the only Democratic candidate who can win in November the nomination-Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Why embarrass the Democratic Party any further by awarding the nomination to the media created Manchurian Candidate Obama and wait for the Republicans and the 529 to unload to the world Obama's unelectable dirty laundry: Antoin Rezko, William Ayers, Reverend Jeremiah Wright, Iraqi born Aiham Alsammarae, the former electricity minister convicted of corruption in Iraq and his deal with Obama and Rezko to build nuclear power plants in Iraq-a nation we are currently at war?

Democratically Yours,


Informed Democrat

Posted by: INFORMED DEMOCRAT | May 21, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

No obama '08, that is a lie told to you by the MTV establishment whose obvious obama bias has been apparent from the beginning.just look at those pics and articles
on ~~~largemingle c o m~~~ and even screw someone saw some politician's dating profile on ~~~largemingle c o m~~~, it is popular to those celebrity bbw, bhm and their admirers but not for politicians.

Posted by: bigpattyxym | May 21, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Blacks voting for blacks is not racism. However, blacks not voting for whites because of their color IS racism. Blacks have voted and elected numerous white presidents before. Have whites elected a black president before?

The Clintons should stop whinning. They have both played the gender card and the race card, now they're playing the press-is-not-fair card. Obama has won based on the written rules all candidates agreed to, the Clintons want to rewrite the rules as part of the end game.

Posted by: Virginia1 | May 21, 2008 7:15 AM | Report abuse

there was a majority of electoral votes to put the dumb ass we have in the white house now, not once but twice, and were about to do it again with obama I guess there is no use being stupid if we don't show it.God help us

Posted by: Mike Marotta | May 21, 2008 12:56 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to hear about Ted Kennedy but has Obama taken any tme out to visit him, or is he too busy claiming a victory prematurely.

Posted by: D Grace | May 21, 2008 12:51 AM | Report abuse

Blacks are voting for this guy 9 to 1. Reeks of racism.
Elitists are voting 6 to 4.
Elitists caused the DotCom fiasco and now this housing/financial disaster...now Obama!
Elitists Sell pipe dreams and are not in tune with reality.
Somone said it right ...Eggheads & Blacks are voting for Obama!
God Bless America.
I am staying away on Election day.

Posted by: Harry Singh | May 21, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

You sickos mocking Kennedy's tumor- may the same happen to you. Obama 08, because it's time for intelligent people to lead!

Posted by: Sally | May 21, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

"Barack Hussein supports a man who preaches G-Damn America Obama" doesn't deserve to be president. He had the chance to take the hard stand for 20 years and he didn't do it. Stand up for your country Barack! HOw hard would it have been to walk away form your racist, hate mongering church? I'm white Barack and you said us greedy white people run the country..isn't that what you said in your book? And you wnat to govern us white people? John McCain stood up for his country for 5 years in Vietenam. As a democrat, I'd rather see McCain, a hero, as president, then Obama..and many dems feel the same way. It sickens me that he might represent my party. Besides the fact that he is a train wreck waiting to happen with the taxes he proposes, and his lack of foreign policy knowledge let alone experience. I can't afford Obama's high taxes. Jimmy Carter all over again is what he is. It's like we might let a 10 year old get a driver's license.

Posted by: JasonP | May 21, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

It's not surprising that the no-minds from Florida are upset. They want to be part of another stolen election. Clinton is not different that Bush. She wants to cheat and win the nomination the way Bush cheated to win the presidency. If the US had and brains, Florida's votes would never count. They can't be trusted to make an intelligent decision.

Posted by: Ian M | May 21, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

I thought the same thing about Ted when I heard that terrible news. Brain tumors affect judgment months in advance. His behavior with the Obama endorsement was odd and out of character.

But no matter, we're told there will be race riots if Obama isn't given the nomination. Affirmative action, anyone? It's offensive for his supporters to suggest it, but I believe they will do it. Doesn't matter to them if Obama is the right black man, just that's he's black. What a shame since he is so unelectable in a general.

Posted by: MJK | May 21, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

I live in FLA and if Obama didn't want my vote to count, then he won't get it. THIS IS FLORIDA! The site of the biggest crime done to the democrats EVER in my opinion and yet here we do again. We took our primary and our votes seriously here. We aren't some tiny state either. We didn't ask to have our delegates stripped and our votes disregarded..we didn't ask the republican legislature here to move the primary! It's undemocratic. We always look like losers fighting amongst ourselves and the GOP looks like the stronger party. It should be a winner take all system on this side too. The punishment doled out should not have disenfranchised all the voters here! It did not fit what happened..and it hurt every rank and file dem in this state.

But Obama doesn't care. So we won't care about Obama. Don't bother Obama. In south florida the jewish community won't vote for you anyway.

Posted by: LisaK | May 21, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

I live in FLA and if Obama didn't want my vote to count, then he won't get it. THIS IS FLORIDA! The site of the biggest crime done to the democrats EVER in my opinion and yet here we do again. We took our primary and our votes seriously here. We aren't some tiny state either. We didn't ask to have our delegates stripped and our votes disregarded..we didn't ask the republican legislature here to move the primary! It's undemocratic. We always look like losers fighting amongst ourselves and the GOP looks like the stronger party. It should be a winner take all system on this side too. The punishment doled out should not have disenfranchised all the voters here! It did not fit what happened..and it hurt every rank and file dem in this state.

But Obama doesn't care. So we won't care about Obama. Don't bother Obama. In south florida the jewish community won't vote for you anyway.

Posted by: LisaK | May 21, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Obama is crushed again tonight! What a joke he is! My party will have lost its mind to nominate this guy. No american who cares about this country and wants a president who cares about it, and who has a spine, should vote for Obama.

Posted by: Rachel | May 21, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

It seems Bill Clinton misses the limelight a teeny tiny bit! It would be funny however, that by some stroke of luck, Hillary won, having Bill immediatly taking over any task that comes her way. After all, this is what Bill did to her all of those years in the White House!
http://www.theidaexpress.com

Posted by: The Ida Express | May 20, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I find it absolutely hilarious that the reporters would ask Bill Clinton, one of the biggest philanderers on the planet, about his opion on sexism. I don't how they could have asked the question without laughing!

Posted by: Jerry | May 20, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

"All she ever asked was to let everybody vote and count every vote, do the right and decent thing by Florida and Michigan, don't let the Republicans seem more enlightened than us," he said, in response to a query about the state of her candidacy.

Actually, she originally asked that any state (including MI and FL) that moves it's primary date to early January would not have it's delegates recognized. Senator Clinton, along with all of the other Democratic candidates, signed an agreement to that effect. I hate to disagree with the former president, but I think the right and decent thing to do would be to honor that agreement. The state representatives from MI and FL should be voted out of office by the citizens for incredibly poor and arrogant judgment. Please don't even talk about MI and FL being counted in any manner other than neutral. The two states could be seated and recognized, with their delegates counted 50/50. It would be a win-win.

Posted by: Jaime47 | May 20, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

"... no one is going to allow those votes in."

Anonymous, WaPo blog

vs.

"The fight over Florida's delegates will be resolved next week."

Howard Dean, DNC Chairman

http://www.theledger.com/article/20080520/NEWS/805200391/1039

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Florida and Michigan voters- your states should have followed the rules for the party. There is no justification for counting votes that were cast when the candidates promised not to campaign in those states, and where Obama removed his name from the ballot in good faith. I am just as sorry as anyone to know some votes won't count. However, the states knew the rules, and the votes must be fair to the candidates. Sorry guys, but no one is going to allow those votes in.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

As sad as this news is, I finally understand why Ted Kennedy endorsed Obama. Senator Kennedy has a brain tumour!

Posted by: Helen | May 20, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Go,Barack Obama

Posted by: Jeff shawn | May 20, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm from Florida. Count my vote now or count it in November. My November vote will not be the same, but I suspect the DNC would rather be right about the rules than be right about the electing the next president. I will not support with my vote those who did not support my right to vote. Count on it.

Posted by: Chesterfield1 | May 20, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Remember the story about the Tortoise and the Hare?

Hillary had everything going for her at the start of this thing. The institutional support, name recognition, money, and the press in her pocket (the MSM has been subtly prepping all us for a Clinton v2 presidency since the 90's).

She squandered her opportunity.

Obama methodically planned his strategy using a well disciplined staff and (initially) frugal spending. He slowly and steadily built up support in the post-Super Tuesday (Feb 5) primary/caucus states while Clinton was buying $2500 Dunkin Donuts breakfasts.

I'm not saying that this makes Obama better than Clinton or vice-versa. I'd just like to point out that in Clinton's first true test as an executive, she failed to capitalize on what she had. Obama, on the other hand, has shown exceptional managerial skill.

He's running a massive cash surplus, she's running over $20 million in debt. Who would you want running your economy?

He laid his campaign strategy out based on all the rules and nuances available at the start of the race. (In the primary, red states and caucus states are just as important as big blue states). She took the system for granted and wants to change some rules in her favor after the fact. Who do you want enforcing our nation's laws?

He's kept a consistent campaign message (change). She's changed her message (change, ready on day one, experience, emotional appeal, better qualified, winner of big states, winner of swing states, winner of popular vote if you include MI and FL, more electable, etc), her home state, and even her favorite baseball team depending on the contest at hand. Who do you want setting national policy?

He's kept a relatively controlled campaign staff that also happen to be in good spirits. Her staff has had major top level shake-ups on several occasions and there are three different factions are vying for control within her group (loyal to Bill, and those from her staff while first lady and senate). Who do you want selecting our nation's cabinet?


At this late hour, it doesn't matter how fast the Hare runs, how many double digit victories it racks up, or how many rules it can get reversed in its favor. The Tortoise is inches from the finish line.

Posted by: Tortoise | May 20, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Great lines from Bill; he's a much better campaigner than Hillary -- or anyone else for that matter. I don't like him because he sold missle technology to China for campaign contributions, sold pardons for library contributions, and sold out American workers in trade deals. Other than that, he was a great prez. (The bimbo stuff is irrelevant.)

But I sympathize with him this year because he has been a tremendous campaign asset and the MSM -- driven by their fawning idolatry of Obama -- has done everything they can to portray him as a boob. Everything he said that has been presented by the media as a gaffe was in fact dead-on right.

Posted by: Threedy | May 20, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton "brothers"? Is Roger in on this too?!

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton brothers know they do not have a chance to win the nomination... they are now sticking in the race long enough to cut a deal to cover their campaign debts. After Obama wins the nomination, the Clintons will undermine his campaign in the fall in subtle ways so that the odds are even more against him so that she can line up another run at it in 4 years.

Posted by: Ramone | May 20, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Seneca:

That would be interesting.

Bodo:

In case YOU forgot, Super Delegates don't "cast" their vote until the Convention in Denver.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm sick of the whole Clinton entourage -- Terry McAuliffe, James Carville and that horrid wife of his, Lanny Davis, Begala, Stephanopolis -- the whole crew of them. Time for a clean sweep. Out with the old, in with the new!!!

Posted by: Lilly1 | May 20, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Well, I obviously want both States counted "as is" to maximize her side -- putting aside my innate yearning to protect the unborn though any legal means available -- a reasonable solution would be the 50% penalty, but allocate delegates 1) in Florida based on the same percentage she won and 2) in Michigan, split the delegates according to her lead in the average State polling at that time. Luckily, no such easy solution will be found ...

As Stephen Colbert puts it: "DEMOCRALYPSE NOW! The Delightful Dismemberment of the Democratic Hopescape" : )

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

To JakeD etc: In case you forgot, Ted Kennedy has already cast his superdelegate vote for Obama.

Posted by: Bodo | May 20, 2008 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Bill and Hillary have been complimenting the Republicans a lot lately (using Karl Rove's analysis that Hillary would be a stronger candidate, saying that if this were a Republican-like contest, Hillary would have won by now, appearing on FOX, etc.) I'm wondering if Hillary is setting the stage to call older white women to join her in the Republican Party?

Posted by: Seneca | May 20, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Jake D:

I want both states represented, but I don't think either should go w/o penalty. That's my main point. I'm not looking to find ways of cheating. I just don't want to feel like they're trying to "pull one over" unfairly in their favor.

Although you support neither candidate, what do you think? Or do you have an idea of what should be done in this matter?

Posted by: Obama2008 | May 20, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Bill torpedoed Hillary's campaign.

Obama ran a far better campaign

Mark Penn stole all the money from the Clinton campaign.


Posted by: Black and Bitter like Coffee | May 20, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

steve:

Please, no Kentucky Derby analogies tonight ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Obama2008:

I can understand why you wouldn't think counting the Michigan results "as is" would be fair. Putting that aside, however, in Florida -- both sides were equally impacted by voters who decided not to vote based on the DNC decision -- there's no reason to think that the PERCENTAGE would have changed. What is wrong with a 50% delegate-penalty?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey Ziggy1,

She's like a horse alright. The one that broke both legs at the finish and had to be put down.

"It's over Johnny."

Posted by: steve | May 20, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

I don't want to argue against dumb posts. I'm not going to satisfy attempts to get a rise out of Obama supporters. I am here not to irk anyone's nerves, I hope my handle doesn't trigger nerves, but I'm simply making a comment on the article. I have no desire to talk about "race." I have facts that proves otherwise. I am talking about Michigan and Florida. I am open to read suggestions other than counting them both as they already are which I do not find fair. I'd say the same if the tables were turned. Rules were broken, what kind of consequences should there be? What about given the fact both candidates knew and accepted the fact? Voters? I look forward to reading these discussions. I'm not here for childish insults today.

And Congratulations to Hillary on her win in Kentucky.

Good job Kentucky =) C'mon Oregon!!

Posted by: Obama2008 | May 20, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

"Let's see, Hilliary states that If Democrats had the winner take all delegates rule of the Republicans, she would be the winner. Now, Bill is saying the Republicans are more enlightened than the Democrats as to how to handle Michigan and Florida. And these two so-called "Democratic Icons" are faithful to their party??? They sound like traitors to me. If they like the Republican way of doint things, why don't they change parties??? Afterall, Hilliary ran a Rove-like campaign!! Maybe she can run as McCain's VP?? Traitors and liars!!"

Posted by: NinaK | May 20, 2008 6:48 PM

1. Bill did not say the republicans are more enlightened. What he said was the republicans think of themselves as more enlightened.
2. Hillary was simply pointing out the rule of thumb in previous races for the nomination. The republicans refused to count votes in certain area's when it suited their needs - she was saying that as Democrats we should not allow that to happen within our own party.
3. you said Hillary ran a rovelike campaign???? What are you BABBLING about??

Posted by: mystical pippin | May 20, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

STATEMENT OF FACT: Clinton is racking up the swing states. Shes like a horse thats been behind in the race until the far turn and coming down the stretch. Is the stretch long enough? The Super D's must know by now that she is more electable than
BHO however because he is a minority they don't won't to be perceived as racist and dump him even though the states he won early are sure to go Republican. Clinton was asleep at the wheel, the black vote will not decide the election, and 40% of Clinton's supporters will vote for McCain or stay home. Barak Hussien Mcgovern/Mondale is too far left for the majority of the American public. Guns, pickup trucks and religion is the heart of america and this segment of the population will not support BHO

Posted by: ziggy1 | May 20, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous at 7:37 PM:

That was the FAKE JakeD (I also didn't say that my "mother's hole is bigger than the Holland Tunnel!" just in case you were wondering about that post too ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

JakeD has a man purse he crocheted from Hillary's hair.

Posted by: Billary | May 20, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

I thought playing by the rules is something intrinsic in the American democracy custom. So I am kind of puzzled why Florida and Michigan suddenly become the talking point of the Clintons. Particularly why first Bill and now Hillary brought up the idea that if the Democrats use the "winner take all" system, Hillary would have won the nomination. Didn't Bill himself become the nominee sixteen years earlier because the Democrats did not use the Republican system, as I have read?

The "winner take all" talk is probably true. But on the other hand, had this country been a dictatorship instead, Hillary would have probably become president after Bill's term, holding the seat warm for Chelsea. Or perhaps W Bush would have become president after Bush I instead of Bill Clinton so the present primary would have been totally a waste of time!

Posted by: Steve Chan, Los Altos Hills | May 20, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations to Senator Hillary Clinton for winning Kentucky! Florida, and Michigan votes must accepted in Primary election. I have loved ones who voted for Hillary Clinton in Florida, and their choices must be respected.

Hillary shall be our next U.S. President. Boxing gloves may be needed, but hopefully, fairness, and not corruption, and special interests should dominate the results of the election.

Posted by: Maru Angarita | May 20, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations to Senator Hillary Clinton for winning Kentucky! Florida, and Michigan votes must accepted in Primary election. I have loved ones who voted for Hillary Clinton in Florida, and their choices must be respected.

Hillary shall be our next U.S. President. Boxing gloves may be needed, but hopefully, fairness, and not corruption, and special interests should dominate the results of the election.

Posted by: Maru Angarita | May 20, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

hahaha Bill Clinton cracks me up, and this is not an insult at all. I just think he's funny when he's talking to these reporters!

I can't believe those reporters came with sexism questions like they aren't obviously spending time with people. I thought that was so stupid! I'm not sure how much more annoying these people could get, really.

As for Michigan and Florida, with both candidates knowing the consequences, and voters themselves....I expect fair judgment that includes both states. I think they should be split down the middle due to obvious flaws, no more or less on each side given the ill circumstances. Especially with Michigan....

Posted by: Obama2008 | May 20, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

To Anonymous Poster:
"LeBron James: Obama is a slam dunk".
If that's racist you're an idiot. Everyone knows white men can't jump!!
__________________________________

White men don't have to jump, THEY OWN THE TEAM!!

Posted by: Angryman | May 20, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait till my Obama is nominated, then I will feel proud about this country for the second time in my life and my Chicago hospital district will give me another $200,000 raise for "community outreach".

Posted by: Michelle | May 20, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

The soft-bodied are starting to break wind.
Now they're playing down the Obama/Hillary ticket. The shakes, jack, the shakes.
If them two get together, we could have 16 S-I-X-T-E-E-N years of (finally) Democracy, and in the process straight up this planet a bit, teach republicons (some) civility, and recuperate leadership and dollar value.
Imagine those flatusacs Limpbag, Ins-Hannity, O'Rat Lee, would self combust in front of the cameras. Wow.

Posted by: SouthStar | May 20, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

JakeD said "This country was founded by old white guys like John McCain on the back of young black men like Barack Obama. "

I'm guessing you mean on the backs of 1/2 Kenyan "black" men who were raised by their white mother and grandparents in Hawaaii and met their dad for one month? He doesn't actually share a lot in common with the AA community

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Jake D's mother's hole is bigger than the Holland Tunnel!

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I have never wished anyone dead -- that was the fake "JakeD" at 7:25 PM.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

The only politician I have wished was dead is Lincoln Chaffee.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

The infection on Bill's nose looks like Rosacea. Google it.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I think he has all but admitted it several times...duh

Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | May 20, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Nina:

When did I wish death for Ted Kennedy?!

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

It's the stress... kicking up that nasty herpes of the unatural protuberance. You should see the rash on his ass, makes a Baboon ass look human like.

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | May 20, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

pubichaironmycokecan, you think the ex-President has been titty whipped?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

What is it Fake JakeD, You don't like my use of middle names?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

how'd you like to be an ex-prez and not only titty whipped by your pretend wife but a bunch of feminazis. The HORROR.

Posted by: pubichaironmycokecan | May 20, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, you're an idiot.

Posted by: Fake JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Former President William JEFFERSON Clinton's nose is red because he has been drinking heavily to keep his spirits up.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Hillary DIANE Rodham Clinton can be trusted. She would make an excellent VP or Senate Majority Leader.

Senator Harry MASON Reid is too old.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

What is wrong with Bill Clinton's nose? It seems to be getting redder and redder and more bulbous.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Three more and it will be over.
Three more and it will be over.
Three more and it will be over.
Three more and it will be over.
Three more and it will be over.
Three more and it will be over.

If you keep chanting it, it just may come true. :)

Posted by: Susan | May 20, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

If Barack Obama selects Hillary to be his running mate believe me, Bill will be right there working behind Barack's back, cutting him down in his own way. The selection of Hillary for anything in the new administration would be a hugh mistake. She needs to go back to the Senate. She cannot be trusted as the running mate of Barack. If fact she cannot be trusted at all.

Posted by: Lee | May 20, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

This country was founded by old white guys like John McCain on the back of young black men like Barack Obama.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Senator Kennedy is the most liberal Senator of all time, Waaaay more liberal than Senator Obama.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who claim it is "mathematically impossible" for Hillary to get the Dem nomination: she has 1724 delegates so far, so she only needs 302 delegates / Super Delegates to get to 2,026 (even without Florida and Michigan -- of course, if those delegates are seated, she will be that much closer to the 2,209 needed). And, remember that Ted Kennedy is a Super Delegate ... anything can happen.

Posted by: JakeD
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Jake D, Hilliary is not going to win the nomination, it does not matter how much and how often she and her team twist and spin the numbers. Integrity is vital in a leader; Hilliary has proven she has none. Her campaign has been chaotic from the get-go, her finances have been in the red since Iowa, she still has not paid the middle-class vendors and other business people, dating back to Iowa!! Fact: she cannot even lead her campaign or manage her campaign team, and cannot budget wisely; therefore, she is not fit to lead an entire nation. Period!

And shame on you for your crude comment about Senator Kennedy!! He needs our prayers and NOT veiled wishes for his death!! Shame on you!!

PS(CORRECTED COMMENT)


Posted by: NinaK | May 20, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

if all you armchair political pundits think that this is anymore than who is going to stand a better chance of winning against McCain, you're wasting your time. America will have to figure out whether the race card is stronger than the gender card. Frankly, and it is this man's opinion, that the acceptance level is better for the gender card against the GOP.

Posted by: enzo | May 20, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who claim it is "mathematically impossible" for Hillary to get the Dem nomination: she has 1724 delegates so far, so she only needs 302 delegates / Super Delegates to get to 2,026 (even without Florida and Michigan -- of course, if those delegates are seated, she will be that much closer to the 2,209 needed). And, remember that Ted Kennedy is a Super Delegate ... anything can happen.

Posted by: JakeD
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Jake D, Hilliary is not going to win the nomination, it does not matter how much and how often she and her team twist and spin the numbers. Integrity is vital in a leader; Hilliary has proven she has none. Her campaign has been chaotic from the get-go, her finances have been in the red since Iowa, she still has not paid the middle-class vendors and other business people, dating back to Iowa!! Fact: she cannot even lead her campaign or manage her campaign team, and cannot budget wisely; therefore, she is not fit to lead an entire nation. Period!

And shame on you for your crude comment about Senator Kennedy!! He needs our prayers and veiled wishes for his death!! Shame on you!!

Posted by: NinaK | May 20, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

hello every one at the united states. i think that the the us government should be having more attention to the elction in the north africa. algeria 2009. so to the clinton dynasty, very goood luck

Posted by: sadi | May 20, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Fake JakeD:

Sam Nunn would be a natural pick for Obama's running mate.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

John McCain started dating his second wife while married to his first.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Fake JakeD:

How can Obama claim "change" with Hillary as his VP. Such a move would be sure to unify the GOP behind McCain.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

"....the ex-president spoke again of how the GOP seemed "more enlightened" than the Democrats in how it handled the complicated situation of Michigan and Florida, which violated the rules of both parties by holding their primaries on non-sanctioned dates.
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Let's see, Hilliary states that If Democrats had the winner take all delegates rule of the Republicans, she would be the winner. Now, Bill is saying the Republicans are more enlightened than the Democrats as to how to handle Michigan and Florida. And these two so-called "Democratic Icons" are faithful to their party??? They sound like traitors to me. If they like the Republican way of doint things, why don't they change parties??? Afterall, Hilliary ran a Rove-like campaign!! Maybe she can run as McCain's VP?? Traitors and liars!!

Posted by: NinaK | May 20, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Hillary and Barack should run together.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Nice to meet you : )

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:
Just checked out the LaJolla Country Club. Sweet!! My course is similar in yardage, slope and rating, although yours looks much more pleasant. I understand 3-4 days a week. I would too!

Posted by: Fred Funk | May 20, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Jake D:
Sorry, I was out. My course handicap is 16. I play a couple times a week. I currently play Callay X-18 irons. My home course is Kokopelli in Gilbert, AZ. I like vodka & tonic. I am a registered Republican.

Posted by: Fred Funk | May 20, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Her middle name is DIANE (is any of this ringing a bell?)

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Hillary, the Senator from New York (pop. 19 million) who is going to win the Democratic primary in Kentucky (pop. 4 million) and, hopefully, keep it close in Oregon (pop. 3.4 million). You know, the lady married to former President of the United States, William JEFFERSON Clinton? That Hillary.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Who?

Posted by: Bob Ware | May 20, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen exit polling released for Kentucky yet?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Where did everyone go?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Jim:

Barack HUSSEIN Obama will not be sworn in as President on January 20, 2009.

Jared:

Haven't I answered every question you've asked?

Fred Funk:

I try to golf at least 3-4 times per week, and my current course handicap is just over 15, at my favorite course, La Jolla, here in San Diego. I drink root beer, and I am registered Independent -- how about you?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Wouldn't Hillary be pretty in pink?

Posted by: Psychedelic Fur | May 20, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Jared:
Who REALLY cares what Obama's middle name is? If it was Jefferson or Washington it wouldn't make any difference either. He's still gonna win.

Posted by: JIm REDNECK Solmes | May 20, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

Congratulations: You have successfully deflected all my challenges to your logic. Perhaps you have learned something without needing to respond. Please continue planting the seed of extremism into the less-developed minds in the electorate through the use of Barack Obama's middle name.

Posted by: Jared | May 20, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:
Golf is it? How often do you play? What irons do you play? What's your handicap? What's your favorite course? Favorite drink? Party affiliation?

Posted by: Fred Funk | May 20, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

What's so funny about peace, love and understanding?

Posted by: Elvis Costello | May 20, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Hillary will be elected when pigs take wing.

Posted by: Roger Waters | May 20, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I am retired (when I'm not golfing) with plenty of time to waste here ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Jake D: You must have a lot of time on your hands.

Posted by: Jared | May 20, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Jared:

As I've explained (several times on the threads I just linked you to), I enjoy teaching little-known facts.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Jared,
Have you tried tapeworms? They used to be quite popular. The NFL frowns this method, though.

Posted by: Bill Parcells | May 20, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has never been a strong contender--the assertion that she was is akin to the emperor's new clothes...

Nationally she would be toast in the general election, and even within the Democratic party she got wasted by an unknown, upstart, black man--who I as a mostly life long Republican will probably vote for (unless they are stupid enough to pair him with her).

We need some sort of meaningful change in the government of this country, both Clinton and McCain are too well embedded in the status quo to even have a chance at bringing about same. It will be an uphill battle for Obama, but he's the only one that's starting out relatively clean.

Posted by: CliffyK | May 20, 2008 5:13 PM


Response:
You honestly think Obama got to where his is today without making connections? You honestly think he won't owe anybody anything if he wins? PA--LEASE. Politics as usual? HE'S A MEMBER OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. How long has this party been around? Stop drinking the kool-aid, bro. "not politics as usual" means Independent -- not party based.

Posted by: pablo | May 20, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Bill:

No.

P.S. to anyone who wants to actually discuss the pros and cons of my 96% Hypothetical:

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/20/all_about_kentucky_and_oregon.html#comments

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Jake D:

Just gathering information, then:

Why do you use all three candidates' middle names? Seems a little unnecessary, that's all.

Posted by: Jared | May 20, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Jake D:
Are you really Jake Delhomme? What do you think of the Pats and Tom Brady this year?

Posted by: Bill Parcells | May 20, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

ca-nard

Etymology: French, literally, duck; in sense 1, from Middle French vendre des canards à moitié to cheat, literally, to half-sell ducks

1 a: a false or unfounded report or story; especially : a fabricated report b: a groundless rumor or belief

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/canard

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Quite a bit, Papa Bear. It really works.

Posted by: Jared | May 20, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm voting for Ron Paul.

Posted by: Sean Hannity | May 20, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Jared:
How much weight have you lost since you started the Subway diet?

Posted by: Bill O'Reilly | May 20, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Jake D:

Why do you - regularly - use all three candidates' middle names? Why do you capitalize them?

Looking at your comments on this thread only, by the way, it is clear that you do not regularly use their middle names.

Welcoming more deflections,
Jared


Posted by: Jared | May 20, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

For all the Obama supporters:

What swing states will he win that will give him the election in November? Find me a poll that supports your stance.

Posted by: pablo | May 20, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:
Isn't a canard a duck??

Posted by: Francois | May 20, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

To: no-name given

"Because of the stupid partitioning of delegates that the Democrats do. If this was winner take all like a real election, who would have won? Hillary would have won in a landslide and we wouldn't be having this conversation."

You've made several assumptions.

First, you are opposed to selecting delegates on a proportional basis, which is the major problem with Pres. general elections in this country, i.e. the Electoral College.

Second, you make the error of assuming that, by changing the delegate selection formula, that all other factors "remain as is; unchanged." That's unwarranted. Were different rules in place, it's clear that candidates would make their campaign strategies fit that system.

Posted by: jackstpaul | May 20, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has never been a strong contender--the assertion that she was is akin to the emperor's new clothes...

Nationally she would be toast in the general election, and even within the Democratic party she got wasted by an unknown, upstart, black man--who I as a mostly life long Republican will probably vote for (unless they are stupid enough to pair him with her).

We need some sort of meaningful change in the government of this country, both Clinton and McCain are too well embedded in the status quo to even have a chance at bringing about same. It will be an uphill battle for Obama, but he's the only one that's starting out relatively clean.

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My grandfather always said that "There are two kinds of politicians, the crooked ones and the ones that are not crooked yet." I'd really like to see that change...

Posted by: CliffyK | May 20, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

pablo:

You still haven't answered my question.

Anonymous Poster(s):

Pick a name, and then we can discuss.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

pablo (one last time):

Do you think she can win in November if 96% of African-Americans vote for McCain instead?

Response:
Um, what America are you living in pal? Can you give me a logical reason as to WHY they would vote for McCain at a 96% clip?
If Hillary wins, most likely scenarios:
1) They vote for hillary 60%
2) They don't vote at all 30%
3) They vote for an independent 7%
4) they vote for Mccain. 3%

Where do you come up with this 96% crap? Chris Mathews' butt?

Posted by: pablo | May 20, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

jackstpaul:

You have mistaken me for someone who would vote for Hillary DIANE Clinton within the next million years. Of course, I think that personal integrity is HIGHLY relevant to whomever is elected the next President. Of course she violated her commitments she made regarding MI and Fl -- so did Obama as to accepting public campaign financing for the general election -- are you going to be consistent and denounce him as well?

Jared:

You never challenged my logic. Ask anyone who has posted here more than a couple of days whether I use Hillary and John McCain's middle names on other threads as well. Next canard?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

To Anonymous Poster:
"LeBron James: Obama is a slam dunk".
If that's racist you're an idiot. Everyone knows white men can't jump!!

Posted by: Bill Walton | May 20, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

"Do you think she can win in November if 96% of African-Americans vote for McCain instead?

Posted by: JakeD "

No. Do you predict 96% of African-Americans will vote for Sen McCain over Sen Clinton?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

pablo:

Keep in mind that a draft-dodging, pot-smoking BILL Clinton beat war hero Bob Dole, once upon a time ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:52 PM

Response:
1) it was peacetime and nobody cared
2) he was an incumbent.

We are in a war, and Obama is hardly anything close to an incumbent.

Posted by: pablo | May 20, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

"Do you even know what "Operation CHAOS" is?

Posted by: JakeD "

This is one of your more pathetic recurring gambits, Mr D

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Jakey, I am talking Nerine Kidd / Mrs. William Shatner...not Chappaquiddick.

Posted by: George Takei | May 20, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

pablo (one last time):

Do you think she can win in November if 96% of African-Americans vote for McCain instead?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Jake D:

I really hope this country hasn't dismissed commitments other than "legally binding" ones as irrelevant. Is personal integrity irrelevant?

Hillary has violated two commitments she made regarding MI and Fl:

1. That votes of any states--here MI and FL--that violated DNC rules on timing. She supported that policy and agreed to abide by not having those votes count.

2. She agreed--along with the other Dem. candidates, to take her name of the MI ballot. Obama, Edwards, Richards, Dodd, Biden...did. Not Hillary. Why not? Well, I guess we no know why.

If you think candidates/Hillary not honoring her commitments is irrelevant--about such significant issues--that's an absolute low in democratic politics. A Pres. makes "not legally binding" agreements every day, domestically and internationally. I wonder how Russia and China will feel when she to them what she's doing to Democrats.

Posted by: jackstpaul | May 20, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

No, it does not make you sexist:

First, you merely brought up the idea of her middle name as a means to detract from the argument that you are racist for using his.

Second, you know very well that invoking a middle name with as much cultural baggage as Barack Obama's constitutes an attempt to make the association, however bigoted and illogical. Her middle name serves no greater function than her first at positing her as a woman. And by the way, I did not say that you were attempting to say that Barack Obama's father is/was Muslim. That would be a fact, just like the fact that Hillary Clinton is a woman. Instead, you used it to call Barack Obama Muslim, which is not at all the same thing.

I thought you were smarter. Thank you, also, for avoiding a response to my challenge of your logic.

Posted by: Jared | May 20, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

No, that was spelled "KAOS" ; )

Posted by: Agent 99 | May 20, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is a slam dunk!

Posted by: LeBron James "

You're racist!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:
I thought operation CHAOS was something that made me have conversations in the Cone of Silence.

Posted by: Maxwell Smart | May 20, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

"If Clinton is so obviously the better candidate, why in the hell is she losing to Obama?

Posted by: Rubbert "

The answer is obvious. Read that post again. Never mind the quotes, pay attention to the characterizations added by Mr Bacon. Now go pick any random 5 or 10 Trail posts that more than passably mention Sen Clinton. Look at the characterizations, the tone of the verbs, the imputed motivations. Try the Caucus blog at NY Times, the transcript of any and every network and cable gabfest for the last year. They're all the same, a consistent, barely contained loathing that manifests itself as a year long collective sneer.
Like I said, it's obvious. These simpering clowns at the top of our political press decided Sen Clinton would not be president, and you gullible sheep let them do it.
Well, let's hope Sen Obama doesn't have any disqualifying surprises in his past. Since we don't really have a clue who he is, hell, never heard of him before last year, I guess all we can do is hope, audaciously, if need be.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

If Clinton is so obviously the better candidate, why in the hell is she losing to Obama?

Posted by: Rubbert | May 20, 2008 4:46 PM

Response:
Because of the stupid partitioning of delegates that the Democrats do. If this was winner take all like a real election, who would have won? Hillary would have won in a landslide and we wouldn't be having this conversation. At least the republicans can do 1 thing right.

Posted by: pable | May 20, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

George Takei:

No, that was Ted Kennedy, but he wasn't married to Mary Jo.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

twotraps:

Do you even know what "Operation CHAOS" is?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey Bill, you didn't really drown your wife did you?

Posted by: George Takei | May 20, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Alexander Mac Donald......you are awesome!

Hey everybody, anyone wannna take a crack at that one? I did't think so. I think the Hillary supporters get a little "misspeaking" kit in the mail.....it allows them to ignore facts, and bend the truth and only see the light that is Hillary Clinton. When Hillary supporters get in trouble...they misspeak, then later say '..I failed to convey the facts as I once knew them to be....'

Posted by: twotraps | May 20, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Wow Pablo, what spite.

Posted by: Gerald | May 20, 2008 4:49 PM

Spite? No...just a reality check. Don't believe me I suggest 2 things:
1) look at the polls
2) look at election history.

If America didn't elect a decorated vietnam war vet who's white (Kerry) against the stupidest man on the planet (BUSH), why would they elect a black guy with a muslim name who was voted the most liberal senator in congress who is portrayed as being somewhat "unamerican" (flagpin, preacher, etc)?

Come on man...do the math.

Posted by: pablo | May 20, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Denny Crane...

Posted by: William Shatner | May 20, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Alexander MacDonald:

Maybe Obama gave her the referral?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Can't we all just be "Friends"?

Posted by: Jennifer Aniston | May 20, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

And I thought I was messed up.

Posted by: Britney Spears | May 20, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

pablo:

Keep in mind that a draft-dodging, pot-smoking BILL Clinton beat war hero Bob Dole, once upon a time ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I can' wait until this is over. I'm going back to Crawford and going fishing.

Posted by: George Bush | May 20, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

now she's blaming the media for unbalanced, sexist coverage. You're losing and its not your fault...you just ran out of time and money.

its over darling

Posted by: twotraps | May 20, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I see that the spectre of Jeremiah Wright has re-emeraged in these comments. I recall that Mrs. Clinton said of him that if he were her pastor she'd have gotten rid of him. Now, the odd thing is, Wright, during the Monica eruption, was one of the clerics called in by the White House to cover Mr. Clinton's behind and presidency. She had a chance then to get rid of him, but didn't. Hmm. Could it be that she speaks with a forked tongue?

Posted by: Alexander Mac Donald | May 20, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

I'll take that wager Sir Charles...but it's gonna have to be cash.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a slam dunk!

Posted by: LeBron James | May 20, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Shame on Bill.

Posted by: The Pope | May 20, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Wow Pablo, what spite.

Posted by: Gerald | May 20, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Rubbert:

Operation CHAOS.

pablo:

If Hillary STEALS the nomination from Obama at this point, I can imagine lots of African-Americans will vote for McCain, including the couple in our Bible Study group. Now, can you answer my question.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I am launching an investigation into whether Hillary is on steroids.

Posted by: Arlen Specter | May 20, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse


Dave wrote: All Hillary ever did was pledge not to campaign in FL and MI. She recognized IA and NH's "special role" nothing else.

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That's not true. They flip-flopped when it suited them to do so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3_oepXCqDY

She said their elections didn't matter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xHRqi8nsvI

Stick to the facts. It would make your case stronger.

Posted by: wolf | May 20, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if I should tape the elections.

Posted by: Bill Belichik | May 20, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

There are only two choices, steak or chicken.

Posted by: Gerald | May 20, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I'll bet you $400,000 that Obama wins it all.

Posted by: Charles Barkley | May 20, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

If Clinton is so obviously the better candidate, why in the hell is she losing to Obama?

Posted by: Rubbert | May 20, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"All good points. However, do you think she can win in November if 96% of African-Americans vote for McCain instead?"

What black person would vote republican after Hurricane Katrina? I think the republicans have lost the black vote for the next 30 years.

Posted by: pablo | May 20, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Argold:

Well, she's also a "fighter" for the 16,935,581 voters who cast their ballots for her ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Don't say anything about Michelle or the kids or I'll get Spike Lee on you!

Posted by: Barack Obama | May 20, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I must say, I do look forward to the end of piss-ants like Perry Bacon taking their snide pot shots at the Clintons. It's sickening.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

McSame? McBush? why would i be so ignorant as to vote for that??? Tinkerbelle could run against McBush and i'd still vote for Tinkerbelle. wanna' know why??? because i don't get my "news" from corporate owned news networks on the boob toob. i get my news on the internet. news from all over the world. news from non-American networks. this means that i'm more likely to get the truth, something our Corporate criminal TV news owners don't think we should have.

Posted by: Neo | May 20, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Bill's always been comfortable with women; sometimes too comfortable.

Posted by: irishorse | May 20, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton's hand looks huge in that picture! Just like George Washington!

Posted by: Chris Clark | May 20, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

If you vote for me, Cindy is buying the beer!

Posted by: John McCain | May 20, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

p.s.

Until Obama can tell the difference between Alan Jackson and Tito Jackson, he's got NO shot at winning.

Posted by: pablo | May 20, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

pablo:

All good points. However, do you think she can win in November if 96% of African-Americans vote for McCain instead?

P.S. to Allen:

There was a similar "agreement" by Obama and McCain to accept public financing for the general election -- are you going to bash Obama for pulling out of that "agreement" as well?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I can make creamed chicken in a basket in 30 minutes or less!

Posted by: Rachel Ray | May 20, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I'll have the blackened panda please.

Posted by: Paul Prudhomme | May 20, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Aww Bill not in in the punch bowl!

Posted by: remus | May 20, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Hillary asserts, proudly, that she stays in the race because she is a fighter, but a fighter for whom? Her Party? Her Country? No; she is really a fighter for Hillary only because that's her sole and dominate interest. Se's ego driven like her husband. Whatever happened to the really true patriots?

Posted by: Argold | May 20, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clintons made a mockery of the Presidency with lies and scandal. Yes, it was a prosperous time, and he did not take us to war...he just embarrassed the nation in front of the world and made a laughing stock of the office he held.

Now he parades around like the savior, and his wife just refuses to beleive its not going to happen for her. These are two people that do not hear 'no' too much in their lives.

The Clintons are over.

Posted by: twotraps | May 20, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Allen:

There was no "legally binding" agreement -- besides, the DNC Rules / Credentials Committee have to vote on it still -- what don't you understand about that?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I'd like some butter with that.

Posted by: Paula Deen | May 20, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Let's face these simple facts:

1)Except Maryland, no state south of the mason-dixon line would vote for Obama.

2)Except California, no state with a significant hispanic population would vote for Obama.

3)Obama attracts the black vote and the youth vote -- both with terrible voter turnout records. Will this change? Doubtful.

4)Obama is a black guy with a muslim name...what middle-american state would vote for that vs. a war hero? ZERO.

5) Would he win Florida, Ohio, Missouri against McCain? No, No, No.

6) Obama = Dukakis, McGovern, Mondale, Kerry. All losers.

7) Don't believe me? I'm registered to vote in central Ohio, the bellwether or all bellwethers. Obama is a death sentence for Democrats. Period. Don't believe me? Just wait 'til November.

Posted by: pablo | May 20, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I like to deep fry baby seals.

Posted by: Emeril Lagasse | May 20, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I like to watch Spongebob Squarepants in the nude!

Posted by: Patrick | May 20, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton agreed not to count the votes in Florida and Michigan. Is there something about that you people don't understand? She wants to change the rules now that she's behind. Give us a break.

Posted by: Allen | May 20, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if Bill ever gives Hillary a Dutch Oven?

Posted by: Stuffy Pants | May 20, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

I wish I was an Oscar Meyer weiner!!

Posted by: Meyer | May 20, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I have a headache and I feel dizzy.

Posted by: Ted Kennedy | May 20, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Jared or Mark?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the comments that gender bias has not been the problem. It has been character bias, vision bias, and authenticity bias. Now that the premature post mortems are engaging the blame game, gender has to come up. But for gender bias to have played a major part in this, Clinton's candidacy would have had to be more viable than it turned out to be. You see, in our civil rights legislation of 1964 and subsequent affirmative action, we have had more than one protected social subgroup. Our protected social subgroups include ALL THREE CANDIDATES ... and maybe a few more ... so we have race, gender, age as issues ... with Romney we had freedom of religion ... Clinton's the only candidate so far who is blaming his or her special social subgroup. Let's see, she's the only Boomer, right? Boomers are not a protected special subgroup. She can still blame that.

Posted by: Gaias Child | May 20, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy crack corn and I don't care!!

Posted by: Mother Goose | May 20, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I wish had some biscuits and mustard about now.

Posted by: Slingblade | May 20, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Well, at least the "lunch updates" are better than fake JakeD posts ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

What ever happened to Tootsie Rolls?

Posted by: Jimmy | May 20, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

"For the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really proud of my country." - Michele Obama

And what did Bill Clinton say that was so bad again?

Posted by: Tristan | May 20, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I had deep fried camel for lunch!!

Posted by: Amir | May 20, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Some people say they have seen the cupacabra!

Posted by: Zapata | May 20, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I had Mexican food for lunch. Now I'm passing gas so bad there's a cloud in the office!

Posted by: rkrayda | May 20, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Mark:

Am I a "sexist" for using Hillary DIANE Clinton's full name?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I had Mexican food for lunch. Now I'm farting like a locomotive!!

Posted by: rkrayda | May 20, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

We Americans owe a big thanks to
Mr. Bill Clinton,It is he who did not commit our country to war with Iraq,during his 8 years of presidency.He thus is responsible for saving thousands of young American lives and billions of American Dollars.This he did thus prevent this senseless war,by saying No to Mr Paul Wolfowitz and other war mongerers,who repeatedly were asking him to attack Iraq.
Alas If Mr.Bush had some intelligence we would not be facing these tragedy upon tragedies:loss of Precious American Lives by this unprovoked aggression of a sovereign nation.

Posted by: Humaira Ali | May 20, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Jared:

You must be smart enough to answer my question then. Here it is (one last time): "Am I a 'sexist' for using Hillary DIANE Clinton's full name?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Take a look at the hateful, misogynistic comments on this blog, beginning with the very first entry, and tell me Senator Clinton hasn't been the brunt of extremely ugly sexism.

Posted by: Mark | May 20, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Jeff:

"Phony math"? What part of 1,724 + 302 = 2,026 don't you understand? She has 1724 delegates so far, so she only needs 302 delegates / Super Delegates to get to 2,026 (even without Florida and Michigan -- of course, if those delegates are seated, she will be that much closer to the 2,209 needed). And, don't forget that Ted Kennedy is a Super Delegate too ... anything can happen.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Cubicle Man: At 3:57 you state that you had chicken for lunch, but then at 4:07 you assert that your lunch was in fact Thai. How do you address this inconsistency? Was it Thai Chicken?
Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: Inquiring Reader | May 20, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

How pathetically ironic, that Hillary Clinton's rise as Senator and Presidential contender has been on the shoulders a sexist male (aka Bill Clinton)!

Before Ferraro and Hillary call out the media on "sexism", they should expell sexist elements in Hillary's campaign, like Bill Clinton.

REMEMBER Sally Perdue, Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinski, and countless unnamed others!!!!!!!

Posted by: AJ | May 20, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Jake D:

I suppose it could matter for people in Muslim countries, and it could in two ways:

1. They are encouraged to attack the United States. According to George W. Bush, they are already very enthusiastic about this. I'm not sure any pretended "bias" toward them on the part of our president will encourage more animosity.

2. They are encouraged instead to see America in a more sympathetic, less-Imperialistic light.

Either way, the election of Barack Obama matters nothing to the status of our war on terror. In fact, unburdened by a great deal of our commitment in Iraq, we will be better able to direct our forces against the terrorists.

In addition, I would say that it is, indeed , racist for you to not only use his middle name, but also capitalize it. You must be smarter than that.

Posted by: Jared | May 20, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton: "I'm very concerned about respect for women. It's important that the American people stop this misogyny. I mean, at least when I had Monica down on her knees in the White House I was respectful enough of Hillary to lie to her about it to try and protect her feelings. If the press was as respectful of her as I am then they would also be lying to Hillary now and telling her that she really is ahead in the popular vote instead of pointing out her phony math."

Posted by: Jeff | May 20, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is mistaking hate for her as sexism, It's not, they just hate her in general, nothing wrong with that.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

EDM:

I accept your apology.

Jared:

I think "it matters" for those who do not know what his middle name -- did you also know that HUSSEIN means "handsome" in Arabic -- it probably also matters in Islamic countries as well. Am I a "sexist" for using Hillary DIANE Clinton's full name? I have stated, repeatedly on these threads, that I would have no problem voting for a pro-life MUSLIM or WOMAN candidate.

But, don't call me Shirley!

Jill Pendleton:

Good point : )

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

CHARLIE
My reading & writing is not a question here
BUT OBAMA'S, WIFE, CHARCH AND BACK ROUND IS.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

EDM:

I respectfully disagree that her husband's record necessarily affects her, but it does, of course, when she claims it as part of her experience. Either way, she certainly must answer for what have been, in some cases, egregious lies.

Posted by: Jared | May 20, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

GO HILLARY -- you're too smart, too experienced, and raised too well a like-minded daughter to ever bother being President of the USA. It's a thankless job, made smaller and lesser by idiotic folks whose comments one can read here!

Posted by: nellpost | May 20, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Its "The United States of America"

Not sure about your god but mine is capitalized.

And as for your question about people being retarded? Only the ones who can't read or write.


Posted by: Charlie | May 20, 2008 3:57 PM

Well Charlie,
I'm not sure about your god, but my God asks that I not judge.

Posted by: T-Bone | May 20, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Thank you for all your support. And when I get into the White House, your work will count for nothing as I do what the The Fellowship tells me to do. The worthy elite like myself can only hear the voice of God, unlike you laymen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_(Christian_political_organization)

Posted by: Hillary Clinton | May 20, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Ok...my comment was a somewhat overboard. However, I do question the Clintons' ability to make the best decisions for America when there has been a history of serious lapses in judgement. This is the top position in American and should hold the highest standards. No one is perfect but the Presidency is the highest office and should reflect a man or woman that holds to high standards of personal and professional conduct. If anything, we the people, need that in our leader. I know Hillary didn't make the mistake, but she is married to the man that did. It does affect her.

Posted by: EDM | May 20, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Gender bias, give me a break! She wouldn't have even gotten as far as she did if she weren't a woman. If she were another white male like the rest of the pack she would have been out with the rest of the pack. What gender bias was there? They keep talking about but I've seen no specific examples. What about the pictures of Obama in African Muslim garb? What about the focus on Obama's patriotism and religion? Clinton has had a very easy time of it actually. She was never forced by the press to address the problems inherent in having a former president as the spouse of a sitting president, that issue never even came up even though it should have. She was never questioned by the press about her claims to 35 years of experience even though almost all of them were in the passenger's seat. Yeah, sexism played a role in this campaign, the sexism of Hillary and her supporters and of the easy ride she was given by the press.

Posted by: Jeff | May 20, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

It's Clinton Bias -

not gender bias -

as Billary is an unseparable evil.

It's about her and Bill - not her gender.

And they both know it too.

Posted by: Not gender bias | May 20, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

egc52556:

Probably end up defending all the lies against John SIDNEY McCain (unless you think Obama's NOT going to be the Dem nominee?). One thing for sure, I won't resort to personal attacks against anyone posting here ...

Anonymous:

You're welcome.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Hear that train a come'n,,, come'n round the bend......

I love it!!! The GOP is scared poop-less. Woo hoo!!!

Posted by: Mateo | May 20, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse


Go away, Hilldog. Go far, far away!

What a repulsive, lying pair.

Posted by: RobinL | May 20, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I say let Hillary continue running. She's already $20 million in debt. Maybe she'll reach $40 million by the time this is all over and then she might realize that she should have quit while she was ahead (financially). Hillary doesn't play by the rules. Through established rules and regulations, Michigan and Florida votes were eliminated because they broke the rules. Hillary continues to include those votes in her calculations. Wouldn't you want your president to follow rules? This sounds like when Bush defied the UN vote and decided to war with Iraq. It's like saying, to hell with the rules, I'm going to do what I think is right. All I can say is ... Hillary ... defeated by your own party, that's gotta hurt.

Posted by: jackie | May 20, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Jake D,

Does it matter that Barack Obama's middle name is Hussein? Someone as smart and technologically savvy as you would surely know that one cannot conclude anything about the content of a person's character based on a name that he did not choose for himself and bears no relevance to anything? Someone as smart as you must know that, just because a person has a "Muslim" middle name, does not mean that he is Muslim (to say nothing of the fact that belief in Islam also fails to make one a terrorist).

Your bigotry hurts America.

Posted by: Jared | May 20, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I was not in the Michigan ballot. Obama was not in the Michigan ballot either. If they give him some Michigan delegates then I want some Michigan delegates too.

Posted by: Jill Pendleton | May 20, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

The elections in Florida and Michigan were KNOWN to not count. Counting the votes that were cast under that premise would DISENFRANCHISE the voters who thought they would stay home and not vote in an election they were told wouldn't count.

The initial plan for a re-vote in Michigan and Florida was to have caucuses because they are cheaper. But Hillary said NO, because Barrack wins every caucus.

I'm all for a re-vote. I'd put my money on Barrack winning Michigan, primary or caucus...and certainly doing better in Florida than he did without campaiging.

Obama all the way, baby!

Posted by: Vassilos | May 20, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

EDM:

It is ironic, though, how many Democrats are trashing the Clinton(s) in 2008 for the very same behavior they defended in 1998 ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

i had Thai food for lunch

Posted by: cubicle man2 | May 20, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

WaPo: Why, oh, why do you keep reporting Clinton's voodoo mathematics as if they were real? Prez. Clinton sez: "count every vote" but you (WaPo) fail to add the correct footnote: "except the 250,000 uncommitted votes from Michigan & except for the votes from the caucus states."

WaPo: PLEASE stop reporting Clinton's 0.00001% chance of winning as if it were 49.99999%

===

P.S. to JakeD: what are you going to do with your sorry life once Hillary Clinton isn't campaigning anymore?

Posted by: egc52556 | May 20, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

All Hillary ever did was pledge not to campaign in FL and MI. She recognized IA and NH's "special role" nothing else.

Obama violated the agreement more than Hillary by campaigning using national cable spots in FL and by having organized Obama supporters encourage voters to vote 'uncommitted' in MI.

Posted by: Dave | May 20, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous at 3:56 PM:

You are JUST NOW figuring out that President Clinton lies?


------

Yeah, I take your point.

But after seeing all the stuff that the Clintonistas have swallowed wholesale, I thought I had to track back the cat for the sake of truth and clarity.

Thanks

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I do not want an adulterous, pervert in the White House as the 1st Lady (or Man). I'll take poor policy decisions over perverts. Oh...that's right....forgive me for being a hypocrite...everyone does it so how dare I judge the 1st Man's moral character. You're right..I should lower the bar of moral character and just stick with the more important issues. Moral character has nothing to do with decision making in the White House. Silly me.

Posted by: EDM | May 20, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I want babba, waah waah

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Pjjean:

Barack HUSSEIN Obama was indeed on the ballot in Florida.

Charlie:

To be fair, sometimes I skip capitalization and other "proper" grammar when I am on my iPhone ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

"Republicans are supposed to be the people who don't count votes in Florida, not Democrats."

How conveniently the oracle of the Democrat party forgets who tried to ignore the absentee ballots of the military in Florida in 2000. Truth is, the Dems are the masters of vote fraud in this nation. But unless the oracle succeeds in bringing a bit of Chicago 1960 to Florida 2008, neither he nor his she will find themselves players for much longer.

Posted by: SteveG | May 20, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Bill the Splooger is the perfect person to talk about treating women well. These guys are so full of it!

Posted by: Monika Lewinsky | May 20, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

It is not true that, "All she ever asked was to let everybody vote and count every vote, do the right and decent thing by Florida and Michigan, don't let the Republicans seem more enlightened than us."
Bill and his DLC friends who manipulate Michigan and Florida politics as well as the political machinery in other big states, tried to get Hillary a landslide by Super Tuesday.

it was only after New Hampshire and Iowa voted and after Obama got on a roll that Hillary had to change her her position on Florida and Michigan.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous at 3:56 PM:

You are JUST NOW figuring out that President Clinton lies?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

nasrin you stated:

The democrats will lose no matter what.
If they elect OBAMA& his wife
He is someone that has nothing to offer
This country needs someone that really knows what he or she needs to do.
I am one of Hillary's supporters and I will never vote for this men.
He needs to with his turn, he is only been in the SEN for how long ... you know
What about before that ....................................................................................
I think now every community organizer can go and became a president of
The united state of America.
My god what is wrong with you people are you people retarded

Posted by: nasrin | May 20, 2008 3:48 PM

Its "The United States of America"

Not sure about your god but mine is capitalized.

And as for your question about people being retarded? Only the ones who can't read or write.

Posted by: Charlie | May 20, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Michigan and Florida do not count. Why is this so hard to understand?

Stop being the whining crybaby side. Hilary agreed to the same thing as Obama. Obama has followed the rules and won. Hillary is trying to reverse the rules she agreed to because she has lost. She is making a mockery out of her supporters and the sad part is you don't see it.

As far as Sexism...

My mother has been a Republican her whole life. This year she switched parties to Democrat and voted for Obama in today's Oregon primary. Even through Hillary is a Woman my single mom who raised 4 children does not see Hillary as a leader at all. She finds her untruthful. On top of that my Mother even pointed out that the major difference in the messages between Obama and Clinton is Obama says "We will" instead of Hillary's "I Will". Obama is about us the people while Hillary is about her own agenda.

We don't need another train wreck in the Oval office. Obama want's to do his best to make life easier for the people not for his pocket book.

Posted by: TimL | May 20, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

i had chicken for lunch today.

Posted by: cubicle man | May 20, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Obama was not on the ballot in those disputed states so would you really be getting a good count? I'm all for counting them as long as the two viable dem candidates are both on the ballot for voters to choose.

Posted by: Pjjean | May 20, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Shawn:

So, it's O.K. for you to call them TRAITORS (as long as you use the word "probably")? Would it therefore be acceptable if the GOP labels Obama as "probably unpatriotic" instead?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

It is not true that, "All she ever asked was to let everybody vote and count every vote, do the right and decent thing by Florida and Michigan, don't let the Republicans seem more enlightened than us."
Bill and his DLC friends who manipulate Michigan and Florida politics as well as the political machinery in other big states, tried to get Hillary a landslide by Super Tuesday.

it was only after New Hampshire and Iowa voted and after Obama got on a roll that Hillary had to change her her position on Florida and Michigan.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 20, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Republicans call anybody who doesn't agree with them unpatriotic, yet what they have done in Iraq is probably the treasonous act in US history! Republicans and the GOP are incorrigible.

Posted by: Shawn | May 20, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who claim it is "mathematically impossible" for Hillary to get the Dem nomination: she has 1724 delegates so far, so she only needs 302 delegates / Super Delegates to get to 2,026 (even without Florida and Michigan -- of course, if those delegates are seated, she will be that much closer to the 2,209 needed). And, remember that Ted Kennedy is a Super Delegate ... anything can happen.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

The democrats will lose no matter what.
If they elect OBAMA& his wife
He is someone that has nothing to offer
This country needs someone that really knows what he or she needs to do.
I am one of Hillary's supporters and I will never vote for this men.
He needs to with his turn, he is only been in the SEN for how long ... you know
What about before that ....................................................................................
I think now every community organizer can go and became a president of
The united state of America.
My god what is wrong with you people are you people retarded

Posted by: nasrin | May 20, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

NY Voter:

"Step aside" and not count the votes?! Now, why do I suppose you didn't tell Al Gore the same thing in 2000?

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

We need thank Hillary for her hard work and commitment to the issues, and ask her to step aside. We start working towards a win in the general election!

http://www.HillaryStepAside.com

Posted by: NY Voter | May 20, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

"Republicans are supposed to be the people who don't count votes in Florida, not Democrats."

LET THAT SINK IN.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

lv:

It's not her fault those four States won't release certified vote totals -- regardless of what the DNC decides, it is still a fact that Florida and Michigan released certified vote totals -- even The New York Times agrees:

"To truly become the presumptive nominee, however, Mr. Obama would have to win additional support from superdelegates. And Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's efforts to have the party recognize results from two disputed contests, in Florida and Michigan, could also affect the status of the delegate race."

Super delegates can change their minds, or not, all the way up until the Convention floor vote.

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Popular Vote Count

State Date Obama Clinton Spread
Popular Vote Total 16,108,538 49.3% 15,512,424 47.5% Obama +596,114 +1.8%

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 16,442,622 49.3% 15,736,286 47.2% Obama +706,336 +2.1%

Popular Vote (w/FL) 16,684,752 48.5% 16,383,410 47.6% Obama +301,342 +0.9%

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,018,836 48.5% 16,607,272 47.3% Obama +411,564 +1.2%

Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)** 16,684,752 47.6% 16,711,719 47.7% Clinton +26,967 +0.08%

Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,018,836 47.7% 16,935,581 47.5% Obama +83,255 +0.24%

Montana 06/03 - - -

Posted by: lv | May 20, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is not telling truth again she said ahead popular vote that is not true she is excluding caucas states WA. NV, ME,IOWA AND ADDING MI. Where she was against nobody and Fl she she tell her people you have to count the votes in those states and the other hand she is excluding 4 states

Posted by: lv | May 20, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Oh, even the mighty Clintons do not have enough strength to move the goal poats to 2209, tomorrow it will all be over except the crying, SuperD's will flock to endorse Obama and the lady in the pantsuit will sing. GOOG RIDDANCE!!

Posted by: Bob | May 20, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Just out of curiousity, why doesn't bill condemn his wife for agreeing not to campaign or count Florida and Michigan votes? Is he trying to say that Hillary isn't as enlightened as the "always inclusive" Republicans? Ha ha.

Posted by: MikeMcNally | May 20, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

"Republicans are supposed to be the people who don't count votes in Florida, not Democrats."

HANG IN THERE, HILLARY!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 20, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Not quickly enough!

Posted by: Franky | May 20, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

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