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Decision Time for Clinton


A child wears the autograph of Democratic presidential hopeful U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) on her hands during a campaign event at Shepherd University McMurran Hall May 7, 2008, in Shepherdstown, W. Va. (Getty Images)

By Dan Balz
Hillary Clinton arrived back in Washington early Wednesday morning after a tumultuous and deeply disappointing Tuesday night with no good options, just hard decisions.

The irony is that she produced the split decision in Indiana and North Carolina that everyone said would be enough to keep her candidacy alive. The cruelty is that the "experts" were wrong. By the time she was declared the winner in Indiana, it was clear she had lost virtually all room to maneuver.

I sent a message to one of her most loyal supporters early Wednesday morning asking what are her realistic options? "She has only one option," he replied. "Gracefully exit and help unify the party to beat [John] McCain." How quickly, he was asked. "I would advise them to figure out how to do it as soon as this weekend," he replied.

Another veteran Democrat who has backed Clinton was equally pessimistic in his private assessment. "It's hard to see a path toward the twin goals of Hillary winning and the party uniting," he wrote. "Her strategy cannot be to destroy the village in order to save it. The superdelegate dam is about to break. Hillary losing [George] McGovern is like LBJ losing [former CBS News anchor Walter] Cronkite."

Dealing in analogies of unwinnable wars is where the Clinton camp found itself Wednesday morning. What was mostly implausible on Monday appeared even more implausible Wednesday.

The decision by McGovern, the party's 1972 nominee, to defect to Obama represented a major psychological blow to Clinton's candidacy. On the October day when he endorsed Clinton, McGovern told me he regarded Obama as "another Lincoln." He had decided to support Clinton because he believed Obama was young enough to have a long future -- and, in his estimation, because he believed Clinton could be a better president than was her husband.

At the time, his decision was a blow to the Obama camp, where officials had hoped his obvious admiration for the Illinois senator would translate into a high-profile endorsement. Now McGovern sees Clinton's continued candidacy as a threat to party unity and to the Democrats' chances of winning in November. Clinton's desire to keep going will run smack into that sentiment in many corners of the party.

Two other Democrats described Clinton's options is dire terms. "Withdraw with honor and grace, or lose without either, forever cementing her -- their -- image as selfish, indifferent to party or cause," wrote one of them. The other put it this way: "Wait for him to blow up, which is unlikely given his track record. Or, blow up the party, which party leaders are unlikely to let her do."

Two Democrats made a similar point, which is that that race did not change fundamentally as a result of what happened in Indiana and North Carolina, and yet Clinton emerged in far worse shape than she was the day before the voting.

"The race is, as it has been for some time, in the hands of the superdelegates," wrote Mark Mellman, a Democratic pollster. "They seem inclined to support the candidate who wins the most pledged delegates, which will be Obama. To shake that psychology she has to demonstrate that Obama is unelectable. She failed to do that last night, and doesn't have many other opportunities. So at this point she seems largely dependent on a direct, clarion call from Heaven -- which could take the form of a ghastly, but highly unlikely, mistake by Obama."

The other strategist, Jonathan Prince, who was a top adviser to John Edwards's campaign, agreed that the fundamentals Wednesday were as they had been Tuesday: Obama was and is ahead in the delegate count; both still need superdelegates to win the nomination. To gain the nomination she needed and still needs to convince superdelegates that he is a risky choice. To do that, she would try to point to continued victories and Obama's continued weaknesses among white, working-class voters

"Now, that imagined scenario is off the table," he wrote. "Which leaves only this one -- stay in the game, stay focused and hope that he raises doubts again so she can convince superdelegates he's too risky. Basically, she needs an extra-electoral event to push super-
delegates her way (extra as in extra-terrestrial)."

The options are limited for Clinton because she is at a huge financial disadvantage. The campaign announced that she has loaned her campaign another $6.4 million, on top of the $5 million she provided in January. But she will be no match for Obama. As one strategist put it months ago, the one reason candidates quit campaigns is that they run out of money. Clinton could face that in the weeks ahead.

Her route to the nomination also depends on a favorable resolution to the question of seating the Florida and Michigan delegations -- and counting their votes in the tally of popular votes. The Democratic Committee's Rules and Bylaws Committee does not meet until May 31 to try to deal with that problem. Given Clinton's precarious situation, it is more difficult to envision an outcome that is as favorable as Clinton needs.

The last six states will award just 217 pledged delegates and there is no realistic prospect for Clinton to overtake Obama in that count. That leaves it up to superdelegates. Clinton will meet with a group of them on Wednesday and Obama will meet with a group on Thursday.

Pat Edington, a former DNC member from Alabama who was in town for Clinton's Wednesday fundraiser, said the New York senator should stay in the race through the end of the primaries, in part to give the remaining states a chance to participate. Calls from Clinton supporters back home were almost unanimous in that view, she said.

Edington is an old friend of Clinton's and has raised more than $300,000 for the campaign. She believes that, whether in the White House or in the Senate, Clinton will go down as "one of the greatest fighters" the party has ever seen.

But even in encouraging Clinton to stay in, she does not discount how dire her situation is now -- or the care that must be exercised in the days ahead. "She has to be very positive from this point on." Edington said.

Edington, like other Democratic insiders, does not want to see the party ruptured by this battle, and she made clear she would be ready to rally behind Obama at an appropriate time. "I am for Hillary," she said. "But if Obama is the nominee, you will think I gave birth to him."

No one will try to force Clinton out of the race. Campaigning in West Virginia early Wednesday afternoon, she said she would stay in "until there is a nominee." But what she needed on Tuesday did not happen, and she must now rewrite her script for the final stage of the nomination campaign.

By Post Editor  |  May 7, 2008; 2:45 PM ET
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We'll be just fine once HRC is out of the contest. She is bringing out the worst in us. It's time for us to get our respect back in the world. After 8 years of bullying Republican leadership our image is toast. Now here is McCain to offer more thoughtless leadership. Heck he can't even get the players right.

Posted by: Ginny7 | May 11, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

To JakeD:
I was away and therefore I wasn't able to respond to you in quick time. Anyway, it's never too late.

Your Superbowl analogy is way off the mark. The two things aren't of the same equation. Why are you so stubborn not to accept the reality?

Look at the superdelegates. One by one they are abandoning your favorite and joining the Obama bandwagon. You think they are wrong as well? Look man, the math doesn't add up which ever way you look at it. Why don't you understand that simple truth.

Hillary can play the game till the final whistle is blown. But do you think that will somehow change the inevitable outcome? Why do guys like you regard Obama as an enemy or an outcast? After all, he is a Democrat as well. Hillary and Obama had a fair fight. But the party faithfuls have made the choice. Why is it so difficult for you guys to accept the truth and move on?

Posted by: JISantiago | May 10, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

What makes Hillary Clinton think that Barack Obama can't get to White voters? It seems the media is so busy portraying him as an African American, they neglect to tell people that his mother was a White working class woman from Kansas and that his White grandparents, raised him. As to Rev. Wright, Bill Clinton invited him to the White House to pray with him after the Monica scandal. There is a picture showing Bill shaking hands with Wright. Why not show that to the American people? Hillary has lied on so many occasions that I have lost track and still some people can't see her for the self-serving person she is. Who wants Bill Clinton in the White House again so we can have another scandal.

Posted by: irmadf9 | May 10, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Two other Democrats described Clinton's options is dire terms. "Withdraw with honor and grace, or lose without either, forever cementing her -- their -- image as selfish, indifferent to party or cause," This is a terrific analogy and this is where the clintons are truly at in this race. Staying in their constant 'state of denial' and leveling more political terrorist blows will ultimately provide them with "LOSS OF 'ALL' RESPECT BY THE MAJORITY DEMOCRATIC PUBLIC AND LOSS OF ANY 'POLITICAL FUTURE' FOR THEM BOTH"! They would have been so much better off trying to unite this Party than to be seen as SELFISH, DIVISIVE, AND EXTREMELY ARROGANT!

Posted by: ObamasLady | May 10, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton continue to fight is her ego problem. She is a self-important, deceiver, liar, and an extrame selfish person. She never think about voters, Democratic Party. Her issues and arguments are all "PERSONAL" (Her NH tears in front of reporters in the coffee shop. She won NH.), the tools to reach and preside in The White House. She wants to be THE QEEN OF WHOLE WORLD. She wants to write another chapter of her own "LIVING HISTORY". Continuing stay as long as she can, she may write more and makes more money. (To pay off debits.) even she knows now she will be the loser.

Remember congress impeachment of Bill Clinton's womanizing in The White House? Publishers asked each one to write a book. They not only paid off legal debts but also made tens of millions of dollars. I have not heard they share a pency to the girl who made them celebrities.

Posted by: Joan | May 9, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

A SOLUTION FOR AMERICA II

If my first plan doesn't work for the American people, this will be my second proposal.

America will then need least 6 or up to 50 Presidents. Fifty States, fifty divided nations. We will start off with a president for all Native-Americans,(AKA "OWNERS AND FOUNDING FATHERS OF USA")European-Americans (AKA "White People"), African-Americans (AKA "Black People"), Hispanic-Americans, (AKA "Illegal Immigrants"), Asian-Americans (AKA "SMART PEOPLE"), and Arabian-Americans (AKA "Terrorists"). Or everybody can just pack up there S..., families and belongings and return to where we all came form. What do you think? YAKSHEMACH!

Posted by: AL-QUSO 13 | May 9, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Obama, Clinton, and McCain.

My vote is on sale for $33,000,000.00 Dollar. You can't blame me for not proposing my offer. I was inspired by the proposal made by one of the DNC "Superdelegate" early today.

My Deadline is November of 2008

Great Success

Posted by: MADDAS | May 9, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

A SOLUTION FOR AMERICA

MY FELLOW AMERICANS, SINCE OUR POPULATION IS APPROX. 300,000,000 MILLION. THIS IS MY PLAN WHEN I BECOME PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN 2016. I WILL START OFF WITH A "STIMULUS PACKAGE" OF $1,000,000.00 MILLION DOLLAR FOR EACH PERSON. THIS IS MY PERSON BELIEF, IF WE CAN SPEND BILLION OF DOLLARS IN IRAQ AND OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD (FOR MOST FOLLY REASONS), WE CAN BEGIN HELPING OUR AMERICAN PEOPLE EVEN MORE. VOTE FOR AL-QUSO 13 IN 2016. THANK YOU AND MAY GOD BLESS THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Posted by: AL-Quso 13 | May 9, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Clinton's arguments for staying in the nomination race are racists ... To suggest that anyone would not vote for an east indian in Louisiana, a chinese in washington state just because of their color or race is absolutely the lowest in desperation ... I have lost respect for this family ... I purchased all of their books ... and held them in high esteem until what I have seen in the last week or so

Posted by: Gone | May 9, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should stay in the race. The longer she stays in, the more damage gets done to the Democrat party. Heck, if she could somehow get all of the superdelegates to throw out Hussein, it would virtually destroy the democrat party!

GOOOOOOO Hillary! Don't quit now! (Quit in October)...

Posted by: Wowzers! | May 9, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey, stupid white people need a hero, too.Thank you Hillary, we're tired of being controlled by all those people that kin read. They think thur so smart.I got to go back to werk now and finish kleenig out my greese trap. My cousin is cummin by later to go possum huntin.

Posted by: Davie Duke | May 9, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Former First Lady, where have you put your dignity and grace?

Posted by: Reggie Boykins | May 9, 2008 1:59 AM | Report abuse

what is it with the nightly circle jerk of idiots who spout nothing but illogical, nonsensical, empty threats and criticisms?

...can you not scrounge up one original or thoughtful thing to say about either candidate?...or better yet, the article?

i get it, you don't like obama, but what are you...twelve?...talk about his policies...or better yet, debate what you think are the merits of clinton's policies...

enough of the immature, idiotic, paranoid nonsense...no one cares to hear you shout, and your less than eloquent powers of persuasion are failing miserably.

Posted by: jazzgrrrl25 | May 9, 2008 1:58 AM | Report abuse

Here's the audio of Hillary marginalizing the black vote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfidftLe5Z0


New Hillary campaign slogans:

In your heart, you know she's white.

Things were better in the 90s. The 1890s.

Why do you think they call it the WHITE House?

Not everyone has a role.

A hardworking white person. Just like you.

Arbeit macht frei.

Posted by: gbooksdc | May 9, 2008 1:50 AM | Report abuse

Obama didn't do much here in Chicago, if anything, he blended right in with the corruption that's been rampant for ages. Just look at his pal Tony Rezko, Obama was able to purchase his mansion thanks to the sweet deal with Rezko, (almost forgot Nadhmi Auchi he helped in that deal too) Tony Rezko, who was also a slum lanlord, among other things. Some of these slum buildings were located right in Obama's district, not very far from his own home. During one Chicago winter people living in one of these slums (in Obama's district) had to go as long as 5 weeks with no heat, this was just one of the problems the residents had to deal with. But Obama played the blind man about all this. But we're suppose to believe he can bring Change to entire Country.

Now He's a first-term U.S Senator, and a great majority of this time has been spent on campaigning and running for President. So not a great deal there either.

There's a lot more things I could have touched on, but this alone is enough for me
to ask, how can people believe that this is a person who has the qualifications and experience necessary to hold the highest office in this Country? Especially during a time when we have so many serious issues going on.

Posted by: Brian, Massachusetts | May 9, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

A SOLUTION FOR AMERICA

WE NEED MORE THAN ONE PRESIDENTS. Since Americans are so racist and full of hate. We need more than one presidents. A president for the Native-Americans, European-Americans (AKA "Whites"), African-Americans (AKA Blacks), Asian-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, and a president Arab-Americans (AKA-Terrorists), and Others. The "White House" can than become "The United Nations House of Human Diversity". This is what "They" meant by the "melting pot". Vote "AL-QUSO 13" for YES, I AGREE or "AL-QUSO GET-OBL" for I DISAGREE.

Posted by: Al-Quso 13 | May 8, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Stan:

I'm not paranoid. Nonetheless, you didn't answer my question -- is it IMPOSSIBLE?

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I want to be like that guy on YouTube about Britney

LEAVE HILLARY ALONE !!

Posted by: MadMax | May 8, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Elam
"It took a WHOLE LOT MORE ... WHITE-Skinnned PEOPLE to Speak Out, Stand Up, and FIGHT for the right of ALL Americans to be Free, and, judged not on Skin Color but on the content of their character....than it did dark-skinned people."

Are you kidding me!! How many people died and were torn from their families before that happened? Free, from my understanding although slavery was abolished, JIM CROW was live and active.

Posted by: Tennessee | May 8, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

By the way don't alot of you know feel pretty stupid that you voted for Bush. Want to feel even worse vote for MCcain!!

Posted by: Tennessee | May 8, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

You clinton/mclain supporters just love to use cheap tactics and name calling. You love to use Rev Wright as a distraction; Quick question how can you hold a man responsible from the words from another mans mouth? You can't!! Hillary(out of her own mouth-tired or not) just flat out lied, even Sinbad who was there said she lied sniper fire come on. Bill(one of the best presidents we've had) lied under oath. We don't even want to talk about Mcain. Sen. Obama may not be perfect but he is what we need, at least he can admit to his mistakes.

Posted by: Tennessee | May 8, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Also:

I have a Christian mother, and went to Bible camp several times as a child. But not I'm a Buddhist, and not a "secret" Christian.

Are you seeing my point yet?

Posted by: Stan | May 8, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

I say it is no more likely that Obama is a "secret Muslim" than it is that you are one, or John McCain is one. My God, how paranoid are you people?

Posted by: Stan | May 8, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

It's clear now that Obama's going to win the nomination. But even though I'm a loyal Democrat, I will never vote for Obama unless he provides satisfactory answers to the following questions:

1. You knew very well throughout your entire 20 years at Trinity Church that the views expressed by Wright at the National Press Club - the USA is the US "KKK", on 9/11 the chickens came home to roost, the US government is responsible for infecting blacks with the AIDS virus, it is Israel's fault that there is a struggle with the Palestinians - were the views that Wright had always advocated from the pulpit.
2. You knew very well from the time you first had any contact with William Ayers that he had admittedly bombed the Pentagon.

To most middle of the road Americans, if the answer to either of these two questions is "Yes", Obama shouldn't be President due to his assent, by his action or inaction, to those with anti-American views. If the answer is "No", Obama shouldn't be President due to his ignorance and gullibility. Does Obama have any adequate argument why these factors don't demonstrate that he should not be President? I have yet to hear them so far.

Posted by: AndyfromVA | May 8, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Stan:

You are claiming it is IMPOSSIBLE than Obama is a secret Muslim lying about being a Christian in order to become President of the United States?

Posted by: JakeD | May 8, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I nearly tremble with despair when I read comments like that of "Christina." Combining bottomless cynicism with ignorance and ugly bigotry -- how toxic is that? I find it hard to believe that so many Americans think that way, but they do.

Posted by: Stan | May 8, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Hillary continuing in the race is not for herself, but for the sake of the Democratic Party. Because as soon as Obama gets the nomination the Republican Party will start exposing him( drugs, murder, gay sex, tied to Kenya terrorists...) Please go to Larrysinclair0926.wordpress.com. for more info.

Posted by: ANDY | May 8, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I personally do not wish to have a Muslim (albeit "reformed") run our country during these times. Adolph appealed because he spoke to the depression disenfranchised. His hidden agenda didn't remain hidden long. Nope. Let's leave the middle east where it is and elect someone, anyone with absolutely no middle eastern ties, no matter how vague. I applaud Hillary for her bravery and pray good sense prevails and she wins the nomination. Or, God help us! We will become a Muslim world ... then suicide would become a viable option.

Posted by: Christina | May 8, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton can now ammend her resume and add 'also ran for president of the United States'. Now the biggest question for her is how to get off the moving train without falling between the wheels. Obama's campaign is in full swing going into the general election. Whereas Hillary is trying to auction off her pantsuit collection on EBay to make money for her troubled campaign.

The last time she went to a restaurant with her entourage, she did a dine and dash trick and walked out without paying tips. Now she claims she has injected another 6 million dollars into her campaign. But still people are not being paid for the services they render to the campaign. Her whole campaign has become pathetic

Posted by: Mark Tisconi | May 8, 2008 6:13 AM | Report abuse

Throw the bumbs out!

Vote Obama '08

Posted by: eljefejesus | May 8, 2008 4:04 AM | Report abuse

Republican activists, we understand you were expecting maybe a beaten-up Democratic oponent? Beware of prophetic Haikus:


April primaries
bring November surprises,
but bumbs are still bumbs

Posted by: eljefejesus | May 8, 2008 4:03 AM | Report abuse

Actually, Kenyans mixed with Caucasians, are what is commonly called "Arabs".

Middle Easterners at Least!

"Barry", the first of the Lost Tribe of "Obamasites". ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 8, 2008 2:21 AM | Report abuse

George McGovern endorses the man leading the McGovernite coalition. I am shocked.
Any chance he just wants to see a candidate crushed in the general more than he was in '72?

Posted by: November 5th | May 8, 2008 2:20 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure why people think Obama is really "new politics" when his campaign has been making personal attacks against Hillary by questioning her integrity. The idealists who support Obama need to see politics for what it really is. Maybe Obama believes in achieving his goals "by any means necessary" which is why he's only a good politician, not a great one.

Posted by: jerome, LA | May 8, 2008 1:21 AM | Report abuse

Why is everone referring to Barack Obama as African-American? Surely to qualify for African-American both you father and mother must be African-American? He is equal white and African-American. Just curious.
Posted by: Karlin

Not according to rules of ethnicity in the US, which dates back to the days of slavery. Doesn't matter that his parents were bi-racial. (1) drop of negro blood is what defines an African American. Don't know if that includes blood transfusions.

Posted by: tydicea | May 8, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Obama is winning with the well-educated voters. Doesn't that mean anything?
________________________________________
No. Condo Rice is "well-educated", all the NEO-CONS are "well educated"

However, as my grandpa would say, They're ALL educated Idiots. Insane, educated idiots, because ... they are out of touch with REALITY. Something they've been ... sheltered from ... all their lives.

For too long too many wealthy families have sent their children to college (regardless of whether they were "college material" or not ... & Bushco & Condo are the end result ---- just like the children of the "Nobility" in France; after many generations they became the kind of SPOLILED IDIOTS who said things like: "Well, let them eat cake" --- upon being informed of the "news" the peasants were starving, and rioting, because they had no bread.


oh, well .... let me see, said the uneducated peasant to himself ... shall I just sit here and starve ... or ... go staal some bread?

Posted by: elme | May 8, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

The votes had not been all counted, yet Sen. Clinton stood at the microphones and spoke as if she had just won the nomination. She was not even close. The numbers were not yet all counted in Indiana, still she spoke as if she was the winner. She lost big time in North Carolina not because of people of color as some have suggested but because natural born citizens of the UNited STates have taken a stand against the business as usual in Washington, D.C. Every body knows that Sen. Clinton can never catch up to Sen. Obama's total delegates. Sen. Clinton needs to end her agony now before it becomes even more unbearable.

Posted by: richardcolonel | May 8, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

There's no way I'm voting for Obama. If he was white it wouldn't have even been close. He only won NC because of a bunch of 'people' who don't even deserve to vote. Clinton won real Americans by a huge margin and she is the real nominee.

Posted by: Dirk | May 7, 2008 3:31 PM

CONGRATULATIONS, JERK! I MEAN, DIRK! THIS IS BY FAR THE MOST OFFENSIVE POLITICAL OBSERVATION I'VE READ ALL DAY! WTG! FTW! LOL!

Posted by: CaptainObvious | May 8, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

The jig is up!

Posted by: Tom in California | May 8, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

JakeD and Elme-
My friends, Senator Clinton is taking this contest all the way to the General Election in November 2008. She just made a purposal to LIB Construction Co. to start building her a White House of her own in New York, New York. She will become the first female, Commander-In-Chief for New York, Florida, and Michigan. Watch, she's determined to make history.

Posted by: Al-Quso13 | May 8, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse


quoting you,

The point was and the post said, Obama is not on trial, he is not mentionED in the Rezko trial. The Clintons are on trial for fraud. . Look it up. Only the facts although they hurt.
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Better go llok up your Rezko trial info.

Obama was identified as "the politician" Rezko's "straw donor" donated to.

Straw donor, as in: The NAME of a real person, listed as donor of the cash, WHO was not in reality, the donor of the cash. (Generally used to coverup up SOURCES of campaign funds - so that the donors cannot be CONNECTED to FAVORS done by the candidate. (check Chicago Sun Times nsp.)

p.s. do some searching on the web & you will also turn up articles about Obama's campaign finance reports while he was in the Illinois legislature ... listed the law firm he worked for previously, but was not active with at the time ... as the source of his income for one year ... listing the firms hundreds of clients as the sources of income...when, in fact, he had ONLY ONE, NOT LISTED, source of income that year ... a guy/Company named Blackwell (Not the Iraq Blackwell).

i.e. aka: money laundering.

Posted by: elme | May 8, 2008 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Kip:

While I realize and understand the demographic trends of successful campaigns and am not ignoring the importance of the majority of the constituency, I am merely saying that I believe minority groups and special interest groups have taken on a much more prominent position in American politics. I agree that the national focus of today's legislature has been directed away from the majority of people in many cases, however that is no reason to assume that these minority groups are receiving that attention unfairly.

Also my first post was mostly an ad hominem against the blogger id "dirk". While I am not downplaying the role of white citizens (the majority of voters in America), I was merely stating that "dirk"'s comment that those "other people" have no right to vote was a disgusting remark to have made. I am not black, but I was offended by the blogger's personal attitude.

Posted by: rob the cob | May 8, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

AS a previous poster asked: WHERE"S the ELECTORAL MAP? The one showing the LIKELY Projected Result of an OBAMA vs. McCain race?

If you've SEEN the maps on CNN every election night ... broken down by county, & its economic, religious, racial, voter history PROFILE ... then doncha THINK they SHOULD have an ELECTORAL MAP showing the likely PROJECTED Result of an Obama McCain race?

Since the MEDIA hasn't seen FIT to show us ONE ... do you THINK it shows Obama .... WINNING? Since the MEDIA is obviously blatantly PRO-Obama doncha THINK they would SHOW IT TO US ... IF ... it DID?

Posted by: elme | May 7, 2008 11:41 PM | Report abuse

My son is partly black, dear black friend.

Can you please explain to me how you and several of your black friends immediately recognized that "Jesse Jackson lost the SC Primary", and "Lundon Johnson passed the civil rights bill" ,,, was ....CODED... racism?

I don't understand ... HOW ... it could be ...coded ...racism.... if the Intended RECIPIENTS (White people) don't recognize the ...code... but ... black people do.

STILL makes NO SENSE to me. I will be happy to happy to have you explain it to me.

Posted by: elme | May 7, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

elme:

That was, indeed, an act of war -- look it up.

_________________________________
Oh, my dear, dear ... semanticist ...
yes, hon, it WAS an ACT of WAR, but
sweetuummms....it WAS NOT a WAR.

Posted by: elme | May 7, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Nope, I don't. But Tom Ridge, former DHS head himself, admitted that the government manipulated the terror threat matrix in the run-up to the 2004 election. I don't think anything is beyond them - fearmongering is a very potent weapon. Anything to maintain the regime. Heck, was Pearl Harbor a conspiracy to get us into WWII? We may never know.

Posted by: M | May 7, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Do you know?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Quoting your post:
elme - I'm Black. Believe me, it wasn't the media that made me think Bill's comments were racist!! I was a Clinton supporter. The second the words came out of his mouth, I looked at my husband and we both let out a "What the hell did he just say??".
________________________________________

My skin color is white. Those were supposed to be racist "code words" ... the only possible BENEFIT to the Clintons being that ... white people ... would get the "message" ... & Vote against Obama.

Whatever those "words" may have meant to you, I can tell you that NO "white" people would RECOGNIZE them as "code" for ANYTHING. If the Clintons "meant" them to be "code" .... wouldn't most of us white people HAVE to KNOW the "code" in advance?

Have you read the post about what I saw on TV? We HAVE just the ONE snippet: Clinton saying: Jesse Jackson won the SC primary. The MEDIA ... given 2 opportunites to provide us with THE QUESTION, asked on the first instance, AND, asked in the second instance, months later .... DID NOT PROVIDE them.

Lyndon Johnson DID get the civil rights legislation passed. That is a FACT. Jesse Jackson DID lose the SC Primary.

NOW, IF anybody wants ME to take those as ... racist ... remarks, then they are going to have to EXPLAIN, POINT OUT, SHOW ME/ US .... how you figure?

Posted by: elme | May 7, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Our vaunted GDP is Las Vegas: we're all sitting around betting on which company will make more money for them - by exporting what's left of our manufacturing base to China. Which, I may add, is laughing all the way to the bank.

I won't be drawn into a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent whose only recourse is Ctrl-V. I can copy and paste too, but that doesn't make my arguments any more persuasive.

My point is - vote for whom you want. I'm voting my conscience. And it's none of the above. We have a choice in this country, at least until the October surprise results in the rest of our freedoms being taken away. Wait for the terrorist strike on US soil right about then. It'll happen.

Posted by: M | May 7, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

M,
Right on the mark!

Posted by: Meanwhile back in the farm | May 7, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

elme:

That was, indeed, an act of war -- look it up.

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

M:

Does North Korea have 4,025 nukes?! Does it have our GDP? Does it have any of the other criteria you mentioned?

Also, you never answered my prior questions:

"Does Obama have 2,025 delegates yet? She hasn't "lost" yet. Unless you think that the New York Giants should have quit before that 4th quarter was over? Why didn't they "do the only honorable thing"? They RUINED the "perfect season"! The end of the 3rd quarter would have been a good time for the Giants to show how much they loved the NFL and gracefully exit to help unify the League!!!"

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse


quoting Your Post:

M:

Thank you.

elme:

"Use of Force" = WAR.
_________________________________-

Use of (Military) FORCE did not = WAR

WHEN Bill Clinton had Saddam's HOMES Bombed after being informed by our CIA that Saddam had hired hit men to kill ex-president Bush.

Posted by: elme | May 7, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

eljefejesus,

Stop snorting your goodies!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

A "superpower" is not made just by nukes alone - or does that mean North Korea is a superpower??? The Soviet Union was a one-dimensional superpower only by virtue of its arsenal. A true superpower is one because of its overwhelming superiority in economic, military, diplomatic and cultural might. Our military is being funded by loans - the war in Iraq is the first one we've fought on credit, and your children and grandchildren will pay for it decades from now. The US economy was bailed out by sovereign wealth funds - the Chinese and the Gulf states. There's nothing more sad than a superpower holding out the tin cup like a beggar. Our diplomacy has deteriorated to the point where our only option is "do what we say or we'll bomb the crap out of you."

W is running out the clock on the most disastrous 8 years this country has seen. I can almost guarantee that we will see some pretty heinous stuff once he leaves office - stuff that was swept under the rug until he left, much like he did in Texas.

Posted by: M | May 7, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I guess you understand what I mean ... this is no time for children play!

Posted by: Meanwhile back in the farm | May 7, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

North Carolina... check mate.

Old News? As old as the end of the formal primary itself.
Post North Carolina Haiku:

Obama in May
Winning the Contest so soon?
Republicans' fear

Posted by: eljefejesus | May 7, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

elme - I'm Black. Believe me, it wasn't the media that made me think Bill's comments were racist!! I was a Clinton supporter. The second the words came out of his mouth, I looked at my husband and we both let out a "What the hell did he just say??". My phone started ringing almost immediately. The damage was done before the media had a chance to spin that. Take the "bitter" comments, multiply them by 10...and that's how pissed off Black people were about Bill Clinton's Jesse Jackson comment and Hillary's comments about Lyndon Johnson. (I do think the "fairy tale" issue was over played by the media..but then again, I don't know many people that said that statement played a part in thier decision to switch to Barack.)
I think it would have done a lot of good if either of them would have immediately apologized or at least acknowledged their statements were poorly worded and caused a lot of ill feelings. I think a lot of Black people liked them enough to forgive and move on. Instead, they tried to play victim, pretend like it wasn't a real issue (even more insulting), and refused to take any responsibility. Now she's all but written the Black vote off and her race-baiting has only gotten more blantant and more offensive.

One of my co-workers had an excellent analogy to explain the Clintons. She says.. they're like the friend that always came to your house when you were a kid, played with your toys...but then pretended like they didn't know you in front of the cool kids at school. Maybe they don't tease you, but they don't stand up for you either.
I don't think the Clinton's are racist. In fact, I know they are not. But it's pitiful that they seem to be soliciting and welcoming the racist vote.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

I Am America (And So Can You!)

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile back in the farm:

Amen!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Although, I also questioned (unless she WANTED the white flag raised) how he could be called one of her most LOYAL supporters? I mean, after Benedict Arnold's treason at West Point, he was no longer one of Washington's most LOYAL generals, right? Am I right?

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

Flying in its own territory and with a black joker calling the shots? None for sure!

Posted by: Meanwhile back in the farm | May 7, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Darn you, Samatha N. Walsh!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Cool, the next comment is #666 >>>

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Dan Balz/Washington post,

How can you actually consider "one of her most loyal supporters" (paragraph 3), or "veteran democrat" (paragraph 4) to be valid sources? You can not just invent a vague "person" and write whatever your opinion about the current issue is. If in fact the above mentioned people do exist and have those opinions, then there has been a gross editing mistake. I advise you to include names in situations like this in the future, otherwise your publication will surely lose what little credibilty it still has.

Sincerely,
Samatha N. Walsh

Posted by: Samantha Walsh | May 7, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile back in the farm:

Name one other "paper mache superpower" with 4,025 active nukes?

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

ghm:

I'm a registered Independent -- perhaps you have me confused with some "Republican jerk" -- are you saying that your candidate DOESN'T want my vote?!

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

America is becoming a paper mache superpower by its own stupidity!

One more time experience is proving that the American democratic process assures the rule of idiots if they are the majority ... for the third time in a row!

Posted by: Meanwhile back in the farm | May 7, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

LOL, Al-Quso -- now, can you point out when I said that Senator Clinton has taken the lead over Senator Obama after her "unprecedented performance" in Indiana Primary last night, my friend?

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

America is now a pathetic shadow of the neo-con "end of history" view. You sold democracy on your hype.

Now, the Republican President had a chance to help save can't even talk about it numbers in Asia and instead...

he put the wife out there to say the same things we said about his response to Katrina.

Good-bye Republicans, you had your chance to pretend, you are going away.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 7, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

elme:

The "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002" passed overwhelmingly by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing the Iraq War.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ243.107

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

republicans jerks!
*JakeD
*Meanwhile back in the farm
*I AM THE EGG MAN
elme
As You Can see by the republicans commit here
and
Rush Limbaugh
Ann Coulter
would be proud of you

Beat McBush (McCain)
He wants to keep the war going
He wants to stack the Supreme Court
(Overturn abortion decision)
He wants to keep the tax break for the rich
He wants to continual NAFTA (As is)
His health plan is the rich and will increase taxes
He refuses to help the Vets.
In other words a third term for Bushes polices

Posted by: ghm | May 7, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Gadanga - I'm glad you make me sick, too. I'd be seriously concerned for my soul and sanity if I weren't.

You wish Hitler had won. Really patriotic. Go tell that to a WWII vet if you have the balls, you piece of $#!t. If you're really lucky maybe you'll pick one who liberated a concentration camp.

Posted by: treetopflyer | May 7, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

J.W. BUSH stands for ...

JOHNY WALKER BUSH or "GEORGE W. BUSH"

Posted by: Al-Quso | May 7, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

This is going to be a hoot tomorrow when the "latest" post goes on top ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

David:

Better watch out for that tsunami though (maybe Karl Rove can use his Katrina-laser to take out Obama too ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey, ignoramus. BOTH their names were on the ballot. HE had HIS taken OFF.

... then ran a campaign to have UNCOMMITTED be on the ballot, get votes.

...so he can now whine... I wasn't even on the ballot.

p.s. ONE sell-out Democrat in the Florida legislature put his name on a bill ... to move up the Florida primary ... AND THEN ... The Republican Majority PASSED it into LAW.

Yeh, duh, huh, right ... the Dems are sooo stupid ... they should just LET the REPUBS arrange to THROW OUT FLorida's Votes .... OR ... THE Sell-Out Dems...starting with Obama ... ARRANGED it that way.

Republican candidates for President: Obama AND McCain.

Posted by: elme | May 7, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

treetopflyer: Glad I made you sick - hope you get sicker. It's a pity Hitler lost the war - he would have sailed through Africa doing some much needed ethnocleansing. America would have been next in line. All the blacks in America should be made to pay for their forefather's passage.

Posted by: Gandanga | May 7, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

lylepink:

It is telling, isn't it, that NO ONE will answer my simple football analogy, huh?

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Old, white male here, voting for Obama. He's going to roll over McCain like a tidal wave, and carry the House and Senate with him.

Posted by: David | May 7, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Al-Quso:

Who is "J.W. Bush"?

M:

Does Obama have 2,025 delegates yet? She hasn't "lost" yet. Unless you think that the New York Giants should have quit before that 4th quarter was over? Why didn't they "do the only honorable thing"? They RUINED the "perfect season"! The end of the 3rd quarter would have been a good time for the Giants to show how much they loved the NFL and gracefully exit to help unify the League!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me, "The Trail" like the rest of The Media are for Obama almost 100%. The problem I have with most of these articles is there is no attempt to analyze, in an intelligent way, what is actually happening in this election cycle. I have stated many times since January that Obama was and is the weakest of the viable Dem candidates from the beginning. The 24/7 coverage on Cable News/Talk shows have been consistent with the Print part of The Media as well. I am hoping these SDs and others will wake up before it is to late.

Posted by: lylepink | May 7, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

It's about the White House makes preparation for the Cosby (Obama) family.

Posted by: amd1976 | May 7, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

EGG MAN:

I read the book already.

treetopflyer:

Does Obama have 2,025 delegates yet? She hasn't "lost" yet. Unless you think that the New York Giants should have quit before that 4th quarter was over? Why didn't they "do the only honorable thing"? They RUINED the "perfect season"! The end of the 3rd quarter would have been a good time for the Giants to show how much they loved the NFL and gracefully exit to help unify the League!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Jake D, get out of your mom's basement.

Will your Bush clone also push his stepford wife forward to criticise the creepy corrupt "military" "government" of Burma for their response to the hurricane?

Posted by: shrink2 | May 7, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I can't believe Americans of such caliber or calibre voted for J.W. Bush. Not once, not twice, but wants to give him a third term. Look at our economy. It makes me sick. I don't want to believe that you like this. Does anyone remember why Senator John McCain had to step aside for J.W. Bush to win the White House. Now Bush wants to return the favor. You incompetent, patriotic, pride for nothing idiots. I live here, work here, invest in this country to help make it superior, not to see it get ruin by disingenous and racist Americans. All human are created EQUALLY. Stop the hate and get rightous with one another. And I mean this GLOBALLY.

Posted by: Al-Quso | May 7, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

treetopflyer: Bravo. Well said.

Posted by: M | May 7, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Wright & his protege Obama overlook ONE REAL BIG FACT in the HISTORY of America:

It took a WHOLE LOT MORE ... WHITE-Skinnned PEOPLE to Speak Out, Stand Up, and FIGHT for the right of ALL Americans to be Free, and, judged not on Skin Color but on the content of their character....than it did dark-skinned people.

Those white colored Abolitionists; those white soldiers who died fighting for the North in the Civil War; those white people who spoke, and marched, and died with the dark colored people in the Civil Rights marches in the 1960's.

Wright and Obama BLINDLY overlook that fact; they dishonor all the REAL Civil Rights Fighters black and white.

Posted by: elme | May 7, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

This is hor$3$#!t.

Your candidate lost, according to rules she agreed to. She claimed originally that putting her name on Michigan's ballot was for their benefit (so they wouldn't feel forgotten), not hers (so she could be nominated). If Hillary wants to play by Republican rules, let her run as a Republican. She chose the party. She agreed to the rules. She lost. The time to gripe about them was before the primary season, when she felt secure in her inevitability, not at the end, when she's lost.

Hillary acknowledges only one rule - "I must win". All others are negotiable, to serve that end.

Some of you are really sickening in your posts. Blacks should not be allowed to vote? You call yourselves Democrats? There is a literally Stalinist sense of entitlement I'm getting here; that power for your candidate is the only good, any means necessary to secure that end are legitimate and all those who oppose are evil enemies.

You make me sick.

Posted by: treetopflyer | May 7, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

ONCE AGAIN READ THIS !!!

Obama's Book - Quotes from his book(s)
Notice the last one!! Scary

These passages from Barrack's books:

From Dreams of My Father:
I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.

From Dreams of My Father
I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and
animosity against my mothers race.

From Dreams of My Father:
There was something about him that made me
wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.

From Dreams of My Father:
It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty
to the black masses, to strike out and name names.

From Dreams of My Father:
I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my
own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that
I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of
Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.

From Audacity of Hope:
I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.


QUESTION: DO YOU THINK THE WINDS ARE SHIFTING? AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHAT DOES HE THINK?!! AND THIS MAN IS ACTUALLY GOING TO TAKE CHARGE OF OUR NATION.. OH TO THINK HE WILL BE THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF... SCARRRY VERY SCARRRRY !!!!!!

Posted by: I AM THE EGG MAN | May 7, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

GHM:

At least I use Barack HUSSEIN Obama's real name ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Medvedev and Putin are throwing a party tonight to celebrate the transition to the Black House!

They are as excited as Obamites to realize this dream may come true!

With this seasoned leader America will be as strong as the US dollar!

Posted by: Meanwhile back in the farm | May 7, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous @ 10:16 PM:

Did you think that the New York Giants should have quit before that 4th quarter was over? Why didn't they "do the only honorable thing"? They RUINED the "perfect season"! The end of the 3rd quarter would have been a good time for the Giants to show how much they loved the NFL and gracefully exit to help unify the League!!! What "sore losers"!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

My fellow Democrats!!

Kindly stop all this bickering.
Obama and Hillary are both fantastic.!!!
We are all for the same thing!

Beat McBush (McCain)
He wants to keep the war going
He wants to stack the Supreme Court
(Overturn abortion decision)
He wants to keep the tax brake for the rich
He wants to continual NAFTA (As is)
His health plan is the rich and will increase taxes
He refuses to help the Vets.
In other words a third term for Bushes polices

Posted by: GHM | May 7, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

francislholland:

Well, this thread is about Clinton and Obama, but why not -- post the WORST thing about McCain from that list?

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Decision Time for Clinton?
It was decision time for Clinton weeks ago. She expected to be coronated with the nomination and in her misguided belief she ran a poor campaign that had no plan or money past Super Tuesday. If she can't run a campaign that had celebrity name recognition in its favor how can she run the country? Super delegates might question how she could run a good campaign against the Republican Swiftboaters who will throw the kitchen sink at her when she can't beat an honest Black man with a funny name and a crazy minister? Hillary may try hard but her plans and decisions are not winning plans or winning decisions. The time for her to get out has past, the longer she stays in the more she shows herself as a sore loser.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

The November election (Obama vs McCain) will play out like Chris Rock's movie "Head of State".

Posted by: amd1976 | May 7, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

ByeObama:

Don't forget these classics --

"I was FOR the Gas-Tax Holiday before I was Against it!"

"I Did Not Have Spiritual Relations With That Man, Rev. Wright ..."

"I Could No More Disown Rev. Wright Than I Could Disown My White Grandmother!"

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Let's turn our attention to the Truth About McCain:

http://truth-about-mccain.blogspot.com

Posted by: francislholland | May 7, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Nobody with an IQ over 80 reads Caps Lock posters.

Ooops I am betraying the elitism of the Obama supporters.

Good night Clinton flaks and you Republicans, lets start with you getting humble.

You deserve worse.

Posted by: shrink2 | May 7, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Egg man ..YOU ARE SO RIGHT READ ABOVE THE 50 lies Obama told!! SCARRRRRY !! NO Barack Hussein Obama in the "Wright House" GOd bless America with Hillary Clinton in the White House!! HILLARY 2008!

Posted by: ByeObama | May 7, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

M:

Thank you.

elme:

"Use of Force" = WAR.

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

50 Lies and Counting: Posted on Political forum.com - Elections and Campaigns by Latisha

1.) Selma Got Me Born - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.

2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had

4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades.

5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.

6.) My Name is African Swahili - LIAR, your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

7.) I Never Practiced Islam - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.

8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book).

9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian - LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.

10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - LIAR, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.

12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine.

13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.

16.) Present Votes Are Common In Illinois - LIAR, they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

17.) Oops, I Misvoted - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - LIAR, you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - LIAR, you didn't write it,introduce it, change it, or create it.

21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.

22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.

23.) I Have Released My State Records - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

28.) No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA - LIAR, the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.

29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel.

30.) I Am Not Acting As President Yet - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.

31.) I Didn't Run Ads In Florida - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.

32.) I Won Michigan - LIAR, no you didn't.

33.) I won Nevada - LIAR, no you did not.

34.) I Want All Votes To Count - LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.

35.) I Want Americans To Decide - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.

36.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - LIAR, you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

37.) My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend - LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.

38.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.

39.) I Don't Take PAC Money - LIAR, you take loads of it.

40.) I don't Have Lobbysists - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

41.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

42.) My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.

43.) I Inspire People With My Words - LIAR, you inspire people with other people's words.

44.) I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate - LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.

45.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - LIAR, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be out gutting you Obama. You also seem to be stepping back from your departure date - AGAIN.

46.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - LIAR, your plan leaves us all to pay the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.

47.) I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail - LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.

48.) I Am As Patriotic As Anyone - LIAR, you won't wear a flag pin and you don't put your hand over your heart during the Anthem.

49.) My Wife Didn't Mean What She Said About Pride In Country - LIAR, your wife's words follow lock-step in the vain of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.

50.) Wal-Mart Is A Company I Wouldn't Support - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quarter of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.


Posted by: ByeObama | May 7, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Obama is winning with the well-educated voters. Doesn't that mean anything? IMHO
Barack is the smart choice. He not only has the AA votes, but also the young vote and the well-educated. I truly believe he can and will beat McCain. Actually (holds nose) I think Hillary could as well. Dems will do fine IF we unite behind our candidate. I would vote for Hillary because I am pro democratic policies. Hope Hillary supporters are open-minded enough to do the same!!

Posted by: Kris | May 7, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

That's a LIE. She did not vote FOR the War in Iraq. There WAS NO WAR IN IRAQ at the time of that VOTE. That VOTE was exceedingly COMPLEX & Simply CANNOT be SIMPLIFIED into.... she voted for war.

AT the TIME Bush's approval RATING was up in the 80 - 90's ... Sheeple like you were ALL IN FAVOR OF THE WAR (I bet you were huh, because you just SWALLOW whatever the LYING MEDIA feeds you).

I was OPPOSED to the WAR, and then, just as now I KNEW WHAT WAS REALLY GOING ON. I DID NOT ...BUY... What the MEDIA was SeLLING: BUSH/CHENEY/THE WAR ... I knew the truth ... because I DID MY HOMEWORK... I SEARCHED for the Truth FROM multiple and many SOURCES.

YOU are buying the KOOL-AID ... AND ... WE will ALL have to pay for it AGAIN.

Quoting Obama: "I don't KNOw how I would have VOTED."

Having SAID that --- to distort, slime, and BLAME ... Clinton ... NOW is the height of lying hypocrisy.

Posted by: elme | May 7, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Obama's Book - Quotes from his book(s)
Notice the last one!! Scary

These passages from Barrack's books:

From Dreams of My Father:
I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.

From Dreams of My Father
I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and
animosity against my mothers race.

From Dreams of My Father:
There was something about him that made me
wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.

From Dreams of My Father:
It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty
to the black masses, to strike out and name names.

From Dreams of My Father:
I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my
own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa, that
I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of
Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.

From Audacity of Hope:
I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.


QUESTION: DO YOU THINK THE WINDS ARE SHIFTING? AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHAT DOES HE THINK?!! AND THIS MAN IS ACTUALLY GOING TO TAKE CHARGE OF OUR NATION.. OH TO THINK HE WILL BE THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF... SCARRRY VERY SCARRRRY !!!!!!

Posted by: I am the Egg Man | May 7, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Obama needs to quit standing behind his prejudice black sheet. He is poison. He big mouth about white Reagan democrats, uneducated Hillary supporters, gun-toting, religious clinging, typical white woman(his grandmother, who raised his ungrateful ass), six-pack joes, along with his glassy-eyed militant flunkies. He is a divider and this country will be truly divided when the lame jackasses in the DNC try to raise him to President.
This country will pay big if they elect this little whiny ass to office. Blames everything on others for his mistakes!
He is the most prejudice politician to run for office I have been disgusted to watch.
But he has you children who think they know ()*& and don't. Now I know why the Democratic mascot is an ASS!
As would be in the words of the Reverend Wright, GOD DAM THE ******* AMERICAN DNC!!!

Posted by: c | May 7, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

There's a reason she is running out of money. Same thing happened to Romney. No money = no support. Hillary's money all came in large donations by a few people and corporations. Obama's is coming from a groundswell of many, many donors. There's the writing on the wall for you.

I'm unaffiliated in MD and despite our "democratic" system that started out offering us some 20 "choices" at the beginning, I still have yet to cast a single vote.

I'm tired of voting AGAINST people. My advice: we should all vote our conscience and WRITE IN someone we want to vote FOR, not one of these choices we're stuck with. That is democracy. We need some more parties that actually represent people. Green, Labor, Pro-Life, Guns, Religious Right, whatever. Anything goes. I'm going to write in Al Gore when the time comes in November.

Posted by: M | May 7, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

YOU GO HILLLARY DO NOT DROP OUT PEOPLE WILL NOT VOTE OBAMA!!! THEY WILL NOT VOTE McCAIN!! YOU ARE AMERICA'S ONLY SOLID HOPE AMONG THose Who know and ARE INVOLVED..the uninvolved and inexperienced going for tainted ill experienced Obama..more of the same another BSer and non qualified man in the White House
but it is scarier than that ..look at all the tainted associations and background of this man born a muslim which he denies..AMERICA DON"T FALL FOR IT!! HEAD OFF DISASTER AND DON'T VOTE IN THIS TAINTED Barack Hussein Obama ..are we suppose to be stupid..look at his NAME!! LOOK WHAT HAPPEN LAST TIME WE VOTED FOR an unqualified person in the White House .but this one has no record in accomplishments only in crime...no way no way!! Dean give Hillary her votes ..THIS IS A 50 state COUNTRY NOT 48 do not take away the rights of people in this country to vote...because of the acts of a few who changed a date..GIVE HILLARY HER VOTES AND QUIT TRYING TO SWAY THE ELECTION!! Open your ears people say THEY WILL NOT VOTE FOR OBAMA IN MUCH BIGGER NUMBERS ..look at the states that decide elections
..HILLARY HAS WON THE BIG STATES THERE IS NO DENY IT >>YOU ARE DENY THE VOTES TO BE HEARD! Hillary 2008

Posted by: Bye Obama | May 7, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Gandanga...It's good to see that someone with a GED can spot grammar mistakes. I'm impressed with your scholarly progression...Keep clinging to your guns and antipathy my fellow "back-woods" Democrat.

Posted by: amd1976 | May 7, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Indiana Voter, if you vote for Hillary you may get your wish. But you have to work for it! How? Just use your imagination!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Eat_It_Rethugs:

It ain't over 'til the FAT LADY sings!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

The Rethugs have had a fun time watching Hillary and Barack attack each other.

They have even been posing as Obama or Clinton supporters and leaving bellicose comments here.

Well it's over. Hillary is a tenacious fighter and we are glad she's on her side. Obama has his faults, but he is likely to be the nominee.

Now time to set the guns at McSame...a man who promised to nominate right wing nuts to the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Eat_It_Rethugs | May 7, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Blue Dress:

Sorry, but Ms. Lewinsky is not Constitutionally eligible to run for Vice President until next time ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

LABC:

Since McCain already passed the number of delegates needed for the GOP nomination, any protest votes are meaningless. You do realize that NEITHER Democratic candidate has reached 2,025 yet, right? Kinda different, don't you think?

As for which Super Bowl game was a total blowout like McCain's win, I'd have to go with Raiders-Redskins, 1984.

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it may not matter to you, but it worries his campaign - Money makes the world go around and his campaign isn't exactly ringing registers - got the rich wife, though...

at this point, it should be Huckabee who? Romney, who dat? and Ron Paul, que? Not noticeable blips of discontent with the only Republican game in town.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

It boggles my mind that the man everyone's hailing as the one to bridge divisions is actually an extremist leftist liberal.

Call me a cynic, but I think only a centrist could bridge the gulf between the left and the right.

As a non-American, I think it would be funny if America elected Obama despite his links to Rezko, Auchi, Wright and Ayers.

Ayers is a Communist and Wright sounds like the Ayatollah.

There's an adage that says "You can tell a man by the company he keeps".

GWB might have been pathetic in office... but that's no reason to swing to another extreme.

Puhleeze for the love of God... vote McCain come November.

Leftist liberals belong in the sewers... let them stay there.


Posted by: Sanish Fernandez | May 7, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Todd H:

Did you think that the New York Giants should have quit before that 4th quarter was over too? Why didn't they "do the only honorable thing"? They RUINED the "perfect season"! All they did was DESTROY the NFL and should have gracefully exited to help unify the League!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

amd1976: "...stop hiding behind your white sheet. I see your antipathy towards african americans pertruding through your dialog." (sic)

Should be: "protruding" and "dialogue". Protruding is a perverted malapropism.
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The poor grammar and spelling displayed by amd1976 proves my point - blacks should not be allowed to vote!

Posted by: Gandanga | May 7, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I still want my free gas!!!

Posted by: Indiana Voter | May 7, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

This unpleasant situation was brought about by Sen. Clinton herself by voting in favor of the Iraq War and the resolution on Iran. She could not recognize the change in the direction of the wind.

As the primary season progressed she kept on shifting her position on issues including the Iraq war. Bill was indeed bad for her campaign. I am sure she knows that HONESTY IS THE BEST POLICY. Her Bosnia story must have reminded her of that maxim.

Posted by: An Academic | May 7, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Weakening the Democratic Party...Division increasing .... ?

Don't blame Hillary:

Like she said today .... If --- the Dem party had the same RULES as the Repub party she would have already been the Dem Candidate ... months ago ... & been running against McCain all this time.

BLAME: The StUPID Dem Party Rules, AND Insist they be CHANGED.

BLAME: The DEM Party SELL-OUTS:

IF you was a ... Republican ... & you WANTED ... to Divide the Dem Party ...
Could YOU think of a BETTER Way to do it ... than ... RUN a black man, against a white woman?

IF YOU was a Dem Party LEADER ... WITH ... a BRAIN, and, you started off the campaign season with Clinton ALL BUT ELECTED PRESIDENT ... as close as the Dem party has EVER been to: A SURE-FIRE WIN ... would you say, oh, OK ... let's just let this FRESHMAN Senator ... give it a try TOO? ... duh...huh...huh, okey dokey let's just run a black man against a white woman.

NOT only NO, but HELL NO! YOU would NOT do that.

The problem is, dear children, the rich have gotten Sooooo much richer they are now able to BUY themselves a WHOLE BUNCH of SELL-OUT Democrats.

Problem for those Sell-out Dems is: The internet. We will find out who they are AND we WILL throw them OUT.

Posted by: elme | May 7, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

There is one and only one thing that will give Hillary a chance now: MONICA LEWINSKY AS HER RUNNING MATE!

Posted by: Blue Dress | May 7, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Oh i am sorry i forgot to say one last thing here regarding the issues of Obama.. His relationship with the reverend wright is likened to Bill clinton when he stated that he did not have sex with that woman in the white house.. what i liar he was..the point here is that obamas relation with the likes of a person like reverend wright is the same as lying to the people simnilar as to clinton and that woman in the white house.. something here stinks and it is obama.. his relationship to preacher wright and also the hypocrite OPrah winnfrey is disgusting.. OPrah is disgusting and should stick to her book club.. she isnt fit for television and i have lost all respect for her.. She is an abomination.. her views on christianity are warped,, she is warped.. and will amswer to God almighty who is a jealous God.. i know i got side tracked here but i wanted to express my point that the association of people like oprah winnfrey and the reverend wright are just pathetic, and once again someone is lying.. who is it.. who do you people think is the liar, the reverend wright or the obamanator.. i will not vote for anyone that wont place his hand on his heart when the national anthem is playing.. and his answer is pitiful.. he is another person that is not woorthy od our office of the president of th eUSA,, he is just pathetic.. another sack o lies..

Posted by: Sick_of_Obama ,The Pipe Dreamer | May 7, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I don't know where you people get that Obama has run a dirty campaign. He's the one that has always taken the high road. The Clinton's are the dirty fighters and thye're both liars. When I heard Hill tell that Bosnia story all I could think of was Bill looking directly into the camera and saying "I did not have sex with that woman." Good grief! All of you get a grip!! It's over for Hillary!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

This is going to be SO MUCH FUN tomorrow when every "new" comment goes to the top of the thread: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/07/a_comments_change.html#comments

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Step down Hillary. You destroyed our country's opportunity to have health care because of your personality. Don't destroy the democrats because of it too.

Posted by: Todd H | May 7, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama...what a piece of crap politition!

Posted by: Cheryll | May 7, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Not at all -- the rule still applies if the team walks off the field at the end of the 3rd quarter and refuses to come back -- McCain is simply running off the clock.

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Gandanga...stop hiding behind your white sheet. I see your antipathy towards african americans pertruding through your dialog.

Posted by: amd1976 | May 7, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Bias people and bias news coverage ..doesn't change the FACTS: HILLARY CLINTON IS LEADING THIS RACE BUT THE RACE IS BEING SWAYED BY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!! HILLARY'S VOTES HAVE BEEN TAKEN AWAY BY DEAN WHO IS PLAYING GOD WITH PEOPLE OF MICHIGAN AND FLORIDA..EVERY SINGLE TIME THE MEDIA AND BIAS PEOPLE POUND UNMERCIFULLY ON HILLARY SHE WINS! SHE WAS DOWN 20 points last month AND WON IN OBAMA'S backyard!!!!!!!!!!SHE WON INDIANA!! BIASLY IT IS ASSESSED THAT SHE SHOULD GET OUT WHEN SHE HAS WON JUST ABOUT EVERY BIG STATE>>SOUR GRAPES BY MCGOVERN!!!>NO WAY ARE HILLARY SUPPORTERS GOING TO FALL FOR THAT>>>BECAUSE THE NEXT BIG STATES ARE GOING TO FALL TO HER AGAIN!! AND THE BLUFFERS TRYING TO PASS OFF THE POOR HAND OF OBAMA AS A WINNING HAND IS NOT WORKING!!! OBAMA IS A ILLASSOCIATED, NON EXPERIENCED,tainted background BSer..who does not have the know how, accomplishments, and guts to turn this country around...people are voting for very shallow reasons and it was bad enough we trained the terrorist to fly in 911 we certainly don't need roll out the red carpet for such a tainted unamerican in the White House. A man who goes so far as not to show his lack of respect for America by not wearing the American flag and not holding his hand over his chest..Who sat in a hate filled church for 20 years.then denouces his religion to get VOTES????.This is the best DEMOCRATIC PARTY CAN GET????...NO WAY HILLARY SUPPORTERS KNOW THAT HILLARY WAS IN THE WHITE HOUSE DURING THE BIGGEST ECONOMIC GROWTH AND THE LONGEST PEACE KEEPING TIME OF ANY PRESIDENCY AND THOSE ARE THE TWO ISSUES OF AMERICA TODAY>>A NO BRAINER TO VOTE HILLARY 2008! Not God da--America with Barack Hussein Obama in the "Wright House" BUT GOD BLESS AMERICA WITH THE RIGHT CANDIDATE HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON IN THE WHITE HOUSE! GIVE HER THE VOTES THAT WERE CAST FOR HER DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND QUITE TRYING TO PRETEND AMERICA DID NOT VOTE FOR HER AND SWAYING THIS ELECTION!!!!!!!!!!!>>THE HILLARY SUPPORTERS SAY HILLARY PERIOD!! THERE IS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SECOND CHOICE!!!HIllary 2008!

Posted by: ByeObama | May 7, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

LABC:

Since McCain already passed the number of delegates needed for the GOP nomination, any protest votes are meaningless. You do realize that NEITHER Democratic candidate has reached 2,025 yet, right? Kinda different, don't you think?

As for which Super Bowl game was a total blowout like McCain's win, I'd have to go with Raiders-Redskins, 1984.

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

LABC:

"Forfeit. The Commissioner, (except in cases of disciplinary action; see last section on "Removing Team from Field"), League President, and their representatives, including referees, are not authorized unilaterally to declare forfeits. A forfeit occurs only when a game is not played because of the failure or refusal of one team to participate. In that event, the other team, if ready and willing to play, is the winner by a score of 2-0."

http://football.calsci.com/TheRules11.html

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:41 PM

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uhh,JakeD - they have to have forfeited the game before the beginning of actual play, not during the game. Hence, the scoring. Nice try, though...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama should not waste his time or money campaining in "HILL BILLY" country (West Virginia & Kentucky). We (african americans) all know that "BACK-WOODS" USA still cling to their guns and have antipathy towards those who do not look like them.

Posted by: amd1976 | May 7, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

amd1976: I sagatiate salubriously - something you'll have to research to understand - must be awful agony for your two brain cells not to be able to perceive reality - but wait they cannot have consciousness!

Posted by: Gandanga | May 7, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

I am disgusted by the DNC, If Hillary Clinton drops out I will never vote Democrat again. I will register Republican and do everything in my power to support McCain. The fact that the DNC would elect a prejudiced, white hating man to office sickens me. He will destroy not unite. Hillary didn't divide the party, Obama did with his big prejudice mouth and then blames everyone else for his stupidity.Even statements by all his little flunky's. "Six pack Joes and white Reagan Democrats,uneducated blue-collar Hillary voters, gun-toting, religious-clinging, typical white woman (his poor grand mother ,who raised his ungrateful ass) has forever poisoned me to him!

As would be in the words of the Reverend Wright, GOD DAMN the American Democratic Party!!!

Posted by: Cheryll | May 7, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

It is not time for Hillary to stop running for President.
We need good leadership for a better future in America.
Our country has been run into the ground by George Bush Jr.
Stop the war, high gas prices, job loss, poor education, and the illegals from coming into our country.
The way the election was won in North Carolina was illegal, just like when Bush was elected President, both times.
Do we as a people have any rights or is it just a political game where we are all being used like puppets. Are we just rolling over and turning our heads because we are to busy with our own lives to be bothered? The way the country is run effects every aspect of our lives and we should be more concerned with what is going on.
Obama is a joke of a candidate and never should have gotten this far.

Posted by: AWA | May 7, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Supporters: Do you support Senator Clinton more than you support the principles of the Democratic Party (fair wages, affordable healthcare, quality education, etc)? If Senator Obama is the eventual Democratic nominee, it is hard for me to understand how a vote for Senator McCain is somehow a show of support for Senator Clinton if she does not win. What I know for sure, is that I do NOT want a third term of Bush policies, and that is EXACTLY what we will get if Senator McCain eventually wins the general election.

Posted by: TV | May 7, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous at 9:37 PM:

The flip side of that argument, of course, poses the following question: "How can Hillary win in November with all of Obama's supporters voting for McCain?"

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

uhh, and JakeD. I am dying to know what football game does McCain's primary problems remind you of? Seems like someone is not closing the deal that strongly - I thought everyone was behind him.
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In the GOP primaries in North Carolina and Indiana, the basically uncontested Republican nominee did not gain more than 80 percent of the vote.

In Indiana, McCain earned the backing of 78 percent of Republican primary voters, with exited candidates Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney gaining 10 percent and five percent respectively. Congressman Ron Paul, who is still in the race, has received seven percent of the vote.

The numbers were even worse in North Carolina, where McCain won 74 percent of the vote, with Huckabee earning 12 percent, Paul earning seven percent, and four percent of Republican primary goers simply voting "no preference."

Posted by: LABC | May 7, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean we don't get our Free Gas, Bullets, and Beer all summer long?

But, she promised.

Posted by: Kyle Lovett, Ft. Wayne, IN | May 7, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

i'm not an embracer of the clintons any longer on a personal or political level. nevertheless they represented me, our party and the nation. their service was through trying times. i choose to look back with the fondness i felt most of that decade that feels like a lifetime ago. they fought the good fight along side me. their service to this country, the same as mr. mccain's. should be honored. i welcome them to the fight of our lives as the balance of this nation's and our planets's existence hangs in the balance.

let us unite first as one democratic party and then as a country. let's all keep our eyes on the prize. in the words of lincoln, 'united we stand, divide we fall".

Posted by: steveinnc | May 7, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

As a young person, this man inspires me like no one political figure has since I've been alive. He's the kind of person I read about in my history books that I've been waiting for. You older people had the Kennedys, FDRs, MLKs, etc. These people INSPIRED people. So much so that people had to DIE. Where the hell is my fireside chat? Who's going to tell me it's not what my country can do for me, but what I can do for my country? What the hell? Instead, we got some guy who doesn't know where Korea is and is trying to foster a war to prepare for the 2nd coming. Great job, old people! Awesome work!

A president doesn't do the dirty work, he makes his cabinet and administration do it. He doesn't have experience. Well, I've had about enough of "experience" than I can handle. White men aren't going to vote for him because he's black. Well, no Democrat has won the white vote since LBJ and if voters are going to be haters, well, God help them. Obama says there's hope for you too. That's right, we STILL LIKE YOU YOU HATERS! I LIKE THE CRAP OUT OF YOU!

Every year, a big batch of young people get old enough to vote and so help me God, I will get out there and make sure every Democrat or potential Democrat in the country registers. And we'll all be better for it because people die for our right and it's about time that young Americans started thinking about their country instead of drooling over Britney Spears.

You can't make everyone think the same thing, nor should they, but the party is going to come together and the GOP is scared. Look at them! Hey media - be part of history and listen to the man!

Obama's smart! Don't be scared! He's inspirational! He's going to change this country and, yes folks, he's black!

Congratulations America. You grew up.

OBAMA '08 AND WE'RE NOT SCARED OF YOUR RHETORIC MEAN GOP AND FAKE DEMS AND HORRIBLE CORPORATE MEDIA!

Posted by: Jackie | May 7, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

He didn't take the big states, the States the Democrats need to win in the Fall to win the Election. Florida and Michigan will be voting then too. Then we have the fact that Obama will not be able to back away from debates with McCain, like he did against Hillary recently, he didn't like a few little questions in that last debate, what's he going to do then? Cause I got news ,he'll get more than those. Actually, McCain won't have to do anything, his surrogates will do the attacking for him, there's probably more stuff that's bound to come out on Obama, since the media didn't vet him till late in the game. They already may have things ready and waiting. What he faced against Hillary will be like a skip through the roses compared to what he's going to get from Republicans and we see how well he holds up under just a couple questions. He doesn't do well at all, unless it's a pre-written speech or he gets the questions in advance. He's Toast, might as well get use to saying President McCain

Posted by: Ian SoCal | May 7, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Dirk and Gandanga are weak minded americans. I didn't know that ignorance still exist in 2008.

Posted by: amd1976 | May 7, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

LABC:

"Forfeit. The Commissioner, (except in cases of disciplinary action; see last section on "Removing Team from Field"), League President, and their representatives, including referees, are not authorized unilaterally to declare forfeits. A forfeit occurs only when a game is not played because of the failure or refusal of one team to participate. In that event, the other team, if ready and willing to play, is the winner by a score of 2-0."

http://football.calsci.com/TheRules11.html

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Bla Bla Bla thats all i hear from you Obama Supporters regarding the Hilary supporters, not saying that all of you are doing this but alot of you throw in the race card when the Hilary supporters rant and rave about how great she is.. I have to be honest with you.. Hlary is much better than the pipe dreamer lying Obama.. they all lie and whats so special about him. hes just another politician that will lie to get into office and then when he's in office he will not do a thing for the americans but take away the rights established long ago by our forefathers back in 1776.. he is another person that will take it to the limit as well just like GWB.. hes the worst president in american history as we all know.. But back to the point i am making here regarding mr obama.. he will be just like the rest of the presidents that have all BS'd the population with nothing but lie after lie.. he is no better than Hilary or any of them.. i say lets all vote for Ralph Naderas VP and JOhn McCain as the prez.. so you blabber mouths out there that want to throw in the race card here , well go ahead and voice your opinion.. you have the right as i do to say what ever ails you.. as i will end this here right now.. obama is not going to be our president in 2009 or any other time in history. he is a good man but unqualified for the high office.. its just not going to happen.. so get over it obama lovers.. lalalala.. he is never going to be our prez..hilary neither.. John Mc Cain....Yes. Ralph Nader yes also.. get over it.. too bad.. so sad. na na na na na!!!! he aint gonna make it.. na na na na na !!!

Posted by: Sick_of_Obama ,The Pipe Dreamer | May 7, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

SOMEBODY's got a lot of ...'splainin' to do...Lucy...

Since ... Obama's had 2-to-5 TIMES as much $MONEY from the start of this campaign season...

...AND... just about ALL the "Mainstream Media": NBC ... MSNBC ... CNN ... CBS ... FOX, The New York Times, and most of the rest of the Newspapers in the USA ... Putting out Pro-Obama/Anti-Clinton PROPAGANDA for him....

.... HOW COME Obama's only ahead by about 0.25% in the Popular Vote?

Doesn't that Make Clinton the STRONGEST candidate, BY FAR?

Suppose ... the Repubs start giving McCain 2-to-5 Times More MONEY than Obama has --- WHEN the general election comes up ...

....&suppose ... NBC ... MSNBC ... CNN ... CBS ... FOX, and most of the rest of the Newspapers in the USA ... start PUSHING for McCain .... do ya THINK Obama will come in within 0.25% in the popular vote?

Clinton DID it ... WITHOUT the media on her side. She DID it WITHOUT 2-5 TIMES MORE MONEY.

Obama can't do it. The MEDIA will not be on his side when the General Election comes up. BECAUSE the MEDIA is OWNED & CONTROLLED by the $$$BIG MONEY PEOPLE:

NBC/MSNBC = GE (2nd largest corp. on earth)
CBS = Westinghouse
CNN - AOL TIME Warner

They're backing Obama NOW - to get rid of Clinton so McCain ---The REPUBLICAN will Win.

Posted by: elme | May 7, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope all of this Translates into Real Progress.

Health Care

Education

A Living Wage

Jobs

Transparency

No More Wars

Shoot, pick any two, I'd be happy.

Go Democrats!!!

Posted by: Forward Looking | May 7, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Senator Obama knows he doesn't know, therefore he listenes. Senator Clinton knows she knows, therefore she doesn't listen. Senator Obama listens to his advisors. Senator Clinton dictates to her subordinats.

Posted by: Felipe Osborne Shea | May 7, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

LABC:

I will be right back with the NFL rule on forfeiting.

Al-Quso:

First of all, when did I say that Senator Clinton has taken the lead over Senator Obama after her "unprecedented performance" in Indiana Primary last night? All I said is "a win is a win" (just as 7 votes for Guam was an Obama "win").

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

If you vote for John McCain then you are and have been happy with the past almost 8 years of J.W. Bush!
Congratulation!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse


Hillary Clinton has 50%++ of Democrats on this road with her. They aren't going anywhere. They certainly aren't voting for Mr. Obama after his dirty campaign.

Mr. Obama has divided this party. By running in a year we would have cake walked to the white house. He had to play his black like me games.


Hillary is the true Democratic nominee. Obama is the spoiler.

And we will never vote for incompetence.

The Presidency of the United States is not an internship.


Obama has no experience or credentials. He is a marketing miracle. Something from nothing. American Idol maybe, but not this job.

Rezkobama. God Damn America bama.

He was in the church. Read his book. He quotes the Rev talking about Hiroshima.

He's a freaking liar and the Republicans will make front page news of it.

They won't be nice like Hillary has been. And he thinks THIS is tough!

What a baby wipe wimp.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

a person skin color should not be a factor. Being petty and racist is not a godly thing. Do you measure your worth based on color? if you do, you need to go back and take a good look in the mirror because you are superficial. talk on the issues and principles of each candidates. The math do not lie so please accept the facts and stop being play haters!! IT IS A SIN TO LIVE YOUR LIFE BEING SO HATEFUL..GROW UP!!

Posted by: ANN | May 7, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I began reading and was bombarded by racist, hateful words. Fried chicken and watermelon, Dirk, shining shoes in the White House. It is amazing to me that in this day and age, so many people are so filled with hate. Unfortunately, these people vote. They step out of the double wide, put that pinch of "tobaccy" between their cheek and gum, adjust the Pabst beer belt buckle and take the bus to the voting station. If Hillary Clinton is the Democratic nominee, I will not vote. My family fought in the American Revolution, I had relatives who were Suffragettes(sic). And yet I will not vote. I cannot vote for Winnie The Pooh, Hillary makes me twitch. I like Obama. I think he is bright, personable, and he is not a manager. And for everyone who keeps yelling about his past dinner parties and how he could not know his pastor was a racist-I attended dinner parties with people I would walk over if they were on fire, and Reverend Wright is a passionate, misguided man, who has lived a life that I as a white person I can never understand. No, I do not believe the government introduced AIDS to the black community. Do I believe that we live in a racist society? Read all the horrible statements here, on this website, and then you tell me. Reverend Wright has said things that are inflammatory. The right wing media is so in love with him, they have a cigarette after each of his speeches. If you allow yourselves to get caught up with the hate that permeates this country, you are no better than Fox News, which, every night, makes sure its' viewers do not forget about Jeremiah Wright, the Weather Undergound "guy", as Bill O'Reilly refers to him, and all the other horrible associations of Obama. Hillary gave money to terrorists (dickmorris.com). Hillary is married to a man who has the morals of...well...Bill Clinton, and she received money from an HMO while she was supposedly fighting for universal healthcare. Now which would you rather have-a man who went to a dinner party and tried to give his pastor the benefit of the doubt, or a woman who lies like I breathe, misleads the American people, and can be called Janus? I think I will stick with Obama. And Dirk? David Duke called-he wants his manifesto back...

Posted by: Emora | May 7, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

One thing is for sure. I will vote John McCain if Hussein Obama win the Dem nomination.

Posted by: Steve | May 7, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

One of the dirtiest fighters ever, not the "greatest"

Posted by: funnyguy | May 7, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Does any body monitor this thing? If so, why are retards such as Carlie Stearn allowed to post? Suicide, Charlie, try suicide. The anti-Christ won't come get you if you're safe in heaven with your imaginary friends...

Posted by: Walden Greenwood | May 7, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Maybe YOU can answer the questions JISantiago won't:

Did you think that the New York Giants should have quit before that 4th quarter was over? Why didn't they "do the only honorable thing"? They RUINED the "perfect season"! They should have put the NFL before "self" and strived to ensure an even playing field in the fall?

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:17 PM

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The reason why people do want to answer your "question", SpinnyD, is because it presupposes that there are any rules in a regulation game that would give the Giants collectively that voluntary option. If there is,please let us where the rule is and under what extraordinary circumstances this would happen. This is a primary season, not a football game, where a candidate at some point, might decide that for personal reasons, financial reasons, or plain math can leave the field voluntarily. Now, I understand your need to use a football analogy to support your prayed for Clinton/McCain matchup, since you and Clintons share the pathological need to move goalposts, change uniform colors, and the where the team is located. But really, it is not as clever as you think it is.

Posted by: LABC | May 7, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

JakeD- I really don't know what to think of you, the Clinton's campaign, and supporters anymore "MY FRIEND" like John McCain will say. First you stated that Senator Clinton has taken the lead over Senator Obama after her "unprecedented performance" in Indiana Primary last night. Now you're telling me that Hillary asked Senator Obama to "spot" her $6.4 Million Dollars to make up for her personal financial losses, give her the states of CT, NC, SC, and an additional 300,000+ voters. What's really going on here my friend?

Posted by: Al-Quso | May 7, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse


OBAMA STOLE DELEGATES IN EARLY PRIMARIES BY "REFUSING" TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT HIMSELF THAT WERE BEING ASKED.

OBAMA IS A DECEITFUL LIAR.

A DECEIVER.

THOSE STATES AND WEENSIE CAUCUSES OF A THOUSAND PEOPLE DO NOT REPRESENT WINS. FORGET THEM IN NOVEMBER. THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS WILL VOTE AND THEY WILL VOTE WITH KNOWLEDGE OF WHO HE HIS.

IN NOVEMBER THOSE EARLY PRIMARY STATES WILL SAY "NOBAMA"

THE SUPER DELEGTES BETTER KNOW THAT

AND THEY BETTER KNOW THAT HILLARY'S SUPPORTERS ARE GOING TO SIT HOME AND WATCH THE NUMBERS COME IN IF THIS DEMOCRAT NOMINATION IS HIJACKED LIKE GORE 2000.


THE DEMOCRAT ROVIAN DC ESTABLISHMENT WHO ARE TRYING TO POISE A CANDIDATE THEY CAN MANIPULATE HAVE SHOWN THEIR COLORS

THEY DON'T SUPPORT OBAMA

THEY WANT POWER THROUGH THIS FRESHMAN SENATOR

HE IS GOING TO NEED THEM LIKE HE'S NEVER NEEDED ANYTHING BEFORE

HE'LL BE THE BLACK KID WITH THE WHITE PUPPETEERS. TOTALLY BEHOLDEN BECAUSE HE HASN'T GOT A CLUE WHAT TO DO


THE PRESIDENCY IS NOT AN INTERNSHIP


HILLARY 2008

or McCAIN / POWELL

POWELL IS A TRUE BLACK HERO AND LEADER


Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

KYJurisDoctor:

Can you answer my questions posted at 9:26 PM? Will ANY Obama supporter answer those questions?

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I think Hill should stay in the race due to the fact,
1.Makes it very interesting
2.Lets see what these two are really made of.
3.Time for a change.

Posted by: wecoyot | May 7, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Hillary smells like donkey poo. It's a fact. :-)

Posted by: Thomas | May 7, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Henry:

Can you answer my questions posted at 9:26 PM? Will ANY Obama supporter answer those questions?

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

BILLARY Clinton is D-O-N-E, but someone -- anyone -- should step up and push her OFF the political cliff!

Posted by: KYJurisDoctor | May 7, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Senator Clinton is the bleeding candidate, but I do not think anyone should ask her to drop out of the race. The prolonged race gave Senator Obama more exposure to the public and he is now a household name. In her own way, Senator Clinton probably helped Senator Obama to put lingering concerns to rest. I am an Obama supporter but I believe that Senator Clinton has made him a stronger candidate for the general election.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Gandanga:

Maybe Dirk was referring just to former felons (regardless of race) who should not have been allowed to vote?

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

HRC needs to STOP! and help put the party back together and support Obama against John McCain comes Nov.

Posted by: Henry | May 7, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous @ 9:20 PM:

Did you think that the New York Giants should have quit before that 4th quarter was over? Why didn't they "do the only honorable thing"? They RUINED the "perfect season"! The end of the 3rd quarter would have been a good time for the Giants to show how much they loved the NFL and gracefully exit to help unify the League!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

This is not about doing the same old thing; this is about new ideas that can repair past damages. This is not about father handing down presidency to son or husband handing presidency to wife!

We are too good a country for this bad pattern to happen and happen again!

Posted by: AiLo Paul | May 7, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Senator Hillary Clinton should stay in the presidential race. The Democratic Party designed a calendar with Presidential Primaries until June 3rd. Lets follow the rules. Lets democracy works. Senator Hillary Clinton is a fighter. Keep moving forward all the way to the convention.

Posted by: Maria | May 7, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

i hope hilary stays to the democrativ convention I truly do not think obama will bring democrts TOGETHER

Posted by: a good president o8 | May 7, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Dirk is absolutely right. Blacks don't have the cerebral capacity (wassup?) to vote cogently and strategically!

Posted by: Gandanga | May 7, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

i just plain and simple do not trust osama i mean obama

Posted by: karl | May 7, 2008 9:23 PM | Report abuse

To me, it appears the Clintons are determined to undo the damage done in the history books to the former president by his impeachment. What would have been a better means to balance the impeachment legacy than by getting the wife to be elected to be the first female president of the US.

And that explains their insistence to continue with their divisive tactic to get nominated by any means necessary for them, unbelievable as it may appear in the damage that could bring to the party. How selfish not to think of unity of the nation behind the democratic party.

Whether they like it or not, Obama is the presumed candidate for the Presidency of the United States.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

You are all idiots! If Obamma is really the candidate for change then why, oh why, is was he clearly supported by the Democrat Party Old Guard: AKA DNC leadership and the Kennedy's. None of these people have ever endorsed change. They have stood in the way of change. You all are in favor of nominating a PUPPET...AGAIN!

Posted by: Doc Jonby | May 7, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

bobbutterfield:

Like THAT's going to happen?! Every little thing that goes wrong for a President Obama will be met with cries of RACISM!!! God forbid Congress has to override a veto = race riots!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Role Model for Children - Obama

Three weeks ago Obama gave the 'finger' to Hillary on national television and smugly laughed about it with his audience. Is this type of malicious immaturity what you want your children to learn: lack of tolerance, vengeance and the bully mentality? After that one event, besides the mindless and uneducated, how could anyone seriously consider this Obama for any office?

Also, Obama's state-senate candidacy was launched at Weather Underground bombers Ayers house in 1995. Ayer who advocates the violent destruction of America may have much more to do with promoting Obama than we know. The organization MoveOn has aggressively intimidated delegates to vote for Obama and to shun Hillary and is likely closely connected with Ayers. Ayers finally got his bomb - Obama.

Obama also rigged his election to become senator by unfairly disqualifying his opponents. He did this by meticulously finding fault with each of the other candidates signed petitions until each of the contenders had to drop out, Obama was the last one standing, there was no election. This was another finger gesture towards the American public by Obama.

If this isn't enough, look at Obama's affiliations:
Wright
Meeks
Ayers
Abongo "Roy" Obama
Rashid Khalidi
Robert Malley
Hamas
McPeaks
Rezko
Auchi
And the list goes on...

This may be the time of the Anti-Christ, but do you want to be on the list of people who voted for him?

Posted by: Carlie Stearn | May 7, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

If Sen. Clinton is forced to quit, there is no doubt Obama will crash and burn in November and the Democratic Party will be a train wreck - just like it was with radical left wing liberal George McGovern who lost every single state except one state in the general election.

The black racism in the North Carolina win cannot triumph over the nomination process. The Indiana win of a mere 9 counties by Obama out of more than 100 counties cannot triumph over the nomination process. Florida and Michigan must be counted; the remaining states must vote; and the superdelegates must use their independent judgment to select the best qualified candidate for the presidency and that is Hillary Clinton. For the good of the Democratic Party, Sen. Clinton's fight for the future of America must continue full speed ahead. Rational Democrats need to step up to the plate and make frequent contributions to the Hillary Clinton campaign at hillaryclinton.com.

Posted by: crat3 | May 7, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton will go into history as "one of the greatest fighters".
Is Hillary Clinton also going to be one of the most stubborn one?
Is Hillary Clinton also going to be the one who divided the Democratic Party beyond repair?

Hillary Clinton had started this race with great courage, being the first woman to ever run for the highest office of the land, the President of the United States.
She was an inspiration to all young women in this country who did not believe this would ever be possible.
However as same time passed, Hillary Clinton has destroyed these hopes and image to become the President through an honest and truthful race. She has gone back to the old political rhetoric and turn off many young hopeful people in this country.
Now, Hillary Clinton sounds more like John McCain and J.W. Bush.

Now it would be a good time for Hillary Clinton to show how much she loves this country and gracefully exit and help unify the party to beat John McCain!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

If Obama becomes pres, then blacks need to give up the race card. The most powerful man in the world would be black and they have to stop pointing their finger at whitey and figure out their own solutions like Obama did. A racist America would not have elected him.

Posted by: bobbutterfield | May 7, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Maybe YOU can answer the questions JISantiago won't:

Did you think that the New York Giants should have quit before that 4th quarter was over? Why didn't they "do the only honorable thing"? They RUINED the "perfect season"! They should have put the NFL before "self" and strived to ensure an even playing field in the fall?

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Memo to Hillary:

How many ways can you spell disingenuous? Give it up, Please!

Posted by: keenobserver | May 7, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting how a lot of posters are saying that it's Barack's fault that Clinton voters will be so mad if he gets the nomination that they'll vote for McCain. Can someone explain to me how democrats who refuse to vote for a democrat, in spite, so that an undeserving republican can win, is good? The sheer bigotry of some of you so-called democrats is truly shocking and despicable. You would much rather have granpa McCain in the white house just so that you don't have to vote for Obama who beat Hillary fair and square? No wonder Bush won two terms, it was all because of you ridiculous people. Now you are gonna ,supposedly, vote for a man who is so unqualified it hurts, and somehow blame it on Obama? Stunning, just stunning and sickening.

Posted by: sharkcellar | May 7, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama is winning against what is called the best politicians in the business, the Clintons. And he's black. Campaigning against JMc should be a walk in the park after the Clintons.
HC's supporters are passionate, BUT they never supported her financially. I guess they knew down deep that she was not going to win and they didn't want to contribute to a losing cause.

Posted by: Lynne | May 7, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Limbaugh magic....IF ONLY'S we had better
person's to vote for! I hate the mess we are being sujected too. 2008 and look at this world? Obama's mouth drips while he says what ya all need to hear! I hear what he is not saying,not doing not being...I just do not like thatjivestarwanttobemy president...can't go their.
NOT 4 A MILLION DOLLARS...and that is the truth!
Obama's mom is white trash and she married only after being three months preg. to a married stud, so that part's of the story
we slid over, His white Gramp was able to twist his Bossman to get little Berryboy to the hottest school, so do most blacks get that chance? Never ever never seen such previlged deeds!
I will only vote for McCain NOW, that is what smart American's can do at this point in this ELECTION....be smart vote McCain!

Posted by: Magicstick | May 7, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

LABC:

They are both from New York, at least ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

fugoff. It looks to me like some superdelegates are throwing the working class under the bus, in favor of high school kids whose votes are snatched up faster than registering for the draft.

Posted by: mellowyellow | May 7, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Later, yar : )

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, are you comparing one the greatest games played and an amazing upset over a favored team with someone who was the double digits in a state not too long ago and managed to barely summon up a win? Man, you are like a rim - spinning!!

Posted by: LABC | May 7, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

H. Clinton demonstrated royally why she should not be the nominee: she is devisive, dishonest, and fiscally inept. These are the things she proved to me during her vicious and egomaniacal campaign. As far as "accepting" the VP slot, let's hope Obama doesn't offer it to her. Clinton is not a born loser, she's a self-made loser.

Posted by: Robert Bedrosian | May 7, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

whoseit:

You are confusing me with someone who would vote for Hillary in a million years -- of course, I wouldn't vote for Obama in 999,999 years -- I'm just the Devil's Advocate.

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

This proves that intelligent debating and exchanging of ideas can be a great thing and may influence one who is asking for input, but then there are those who will not see anyone else's viewpoint, and stand only to belittle others who do not see it exactly the way they spin it. May the best MAN win.

Posted by: Whoseit? | May 7, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I am watching a show on the 1970-80's Olympics, Russia girls-women steroid/doping program... hairy breasts..... later, can't pass those juggers up!

Posted by: yar | May 7, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Same goes for "McCain called and wants to borrow your Depends"

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Ralphinphnx:

Careful with the "McCain is old" comment -- especially if Obama does seal up the nomination -- because he will easily steal a line from Ronald Reagan: "I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit for political purposes my opponent's youth and inexperience."

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

well, of course you can ask even more pointless questions - there is no doubt of your ability in that area.

Posted by: JakeD:McCain called and wants to borrow your Depends | May 7, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

To Jake D - Obama said Indiana was the tie breaker and Hillary said NC was the game changer, so I guess their even.

Posted by: whoseit | May 7, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

LABC:

A "win" is a win -- the Giants ended up beating the Patriots by 3 points -- even less than Obama's 7 votes in Guam ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

I voted for Bill Clinton twice, but do NOT want to see him back in the White House for any reason!
Hillary still is a US Senator for NY and can have a continued major role in the issues she is fighting for! If she can handle this loss and eat some false pride, there is no reason she can't be a persuasive ramrod for progressive politics and change in DC. That ain't a bad position to be in, despite her ambition and Bill's attitude.
Help the party and she is helping her avowed cause as well.
It's just that simple!
She can choose to be a role model or a mean-spirited spoiler, and I hope it's the former, NOT the latter.
Get a Demo in the White without undue delay!
Obama can make a great President and I hope he will!!

Posted by: John in WA | May 7, 2008 9:05 PM | Report abuse

JISantiago:

Did you also think that the New York Giants should have quit before that 4th quarter was over? Why didn't they "do the only honorable thing"? They RUINED the "perfect season"! They should have put the NFL before self and strived to ensure an even playing field in the fall?

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

In spite or Obama's win in NC, our nationwide online poll conducted as of 6:00 PM May 7 is showing Clinton leading Obama 58 - 42 %. Results also show that 6% of Clinton supporters have pledged to vote for John McCain if Obama becomes the nominee in contrast to 17% of Obama supporters if Clinton becomes the nominee. The difference will nearly guarantee a McCain victory if Obama becomes the nominee. Survey results were tabulated from more than 172,250 online votes.

http://votersusa.blogspot.com

Posted by: Meck | May 7, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

JakeD - she won by 2 friggin' % - are you seriously going to spin that? How late did you stay up watching that "landslide" unfold, btw? But you are right, it isn't a tiebreaker - he took all her gains in PA and threw them out of the window. So, point for you!

Posted by: LABC | May 7, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

diehard:

LOL!!!

tim russert called and would like to do his job wrong alone:

I have often thought I could ask better "GOTCHA" questions than he does ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 8:59 PM | Report abuse

So I guess we're going to elect the white war monger then? It's a shame the "AA" is going to win the democratic nomination because that means the next president will be a white republican. If Osama Bin Laden Hussein had answered the tough questions instead of skirting all the important issues maybe he'd have a chance, but not with that name, color and AA following. Never gonna happen boy.

Posted by: satan | May 7, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Lets get real on this great gas tax relief Hillary proposed. I did the simple math. A 10 gallon tank, you will save $1.80 and if you don't drive much, maybe fill up twice a month for 3 months, that comes to $1.80 times 6 = $10.80. Yeah, that is really going to put alot of money back into middle working classes families budgets. Was this supposed to get me excited, that we compromise our transportatio needs for $10.80 (what is that? 2 cups of coffee).

Posted by: Whoseit? | May 7, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

David-white 60 male-PA:

The DNC rules regarding FL and MI allows for a preliminary decision on seating the delegates the end of this month -- if either candidate files an objection, the Credentials Committee decides -- those are the RULES.

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

And look for McCain to start having to actually defend his positions and juggle a demanding, whining conservative base while trying to get independents and other disaffected voters in. btw, nice going with wanting to name conservative judges to the Supreme court - that is really gonna bring out the independent vote...and women.

Posted by: JakeD:tim russert called and would like to do his job wrong alone | May 7, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Word is that Obama will be using the uncommon 'z' spelling. Mr. Prezident

Posted by: diehard | May 7, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I have written some nasty things in the past about Hillary Clinton, not out of spite but out of conviction that she is not the right person to become the President of the United States.

But I must give it to her. I have never seen a person so resilent and stubbornly determined to carry on fighting for her nomination. But there comes a time when one must stop being foolhardy and be smart enough to realise the reality.

For her to remain in the race and continue her hopeless cause is, to say the least, not just an act of selfishness but, more so, a destructive act detrimental to the chances of the Democratic Party to regain the White House from the Republicans.

Now, more than ever, the Democrats have the golden opportunity to take back the While House and put America back on track. To do that the Democrats must unite and rally behind Barak Obama.

Hillary gave her best, but the game is up. It's time now to hang up the gloves! She must now do the only honorable thing. Put party before self and strive to ensure a Democratic victory in the fall. That is the only remaining honorable option left for Hillary.

Posted by: JISantiago | May 7, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse


Hillary will stay in AT LEAST until some

dim witted supporters have made up her

$million loan.

WITH THE CLINTONS IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT MONEY.
CHAMPION money grubbers.

Posted by: dollars | May 7, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone forget about Obama?

http://www.obamaunveiled.com

Mmm

Posted by: China | May 7, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm impressed with Obama's denunciation of the gas tax holiday as a gimmick. That McCain chose to pull this populist cord gives pause to this libertarian independent voter. I hope Clinton bows out... I think I might vote for Obama!
-Georgia Libertarian

Posted by: KEL1 | May 7, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

LABC:

Obama DID say that Indiana was the "tiebreaker" at one point, right?

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

The math and common sense will prevail and Obama will be the nominee-regardless of these now meaningless, remaining primaries. All this talk is just media hype and campaign spin. The Queen of Entitlement cannot catch up with Senator Obama, no matter how nasty she gets, how pandering she becomes, how fretfully her husband pleads, how many empty promises she makes (gas tax b.s.). She does not have enough states left to catch the Democratic nominee for president, Barrack Obama. The DNC will force her to play by the original DNC rules regarding FL and MI, rules that she agreed to by the way. The Clinton's best move now is for Hillary and Bill to start working on their speeches to help to elect Obama over McCain.

Posted by: David-white 60 male-PA | May 7, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

President of the United States. Only job in America you don't need any experience to qualify.. *cough*disgrace

Posted by: Diehard | May 7, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Good for her. Why should she quit? Why does not Hussein Obama quit?

Afer all, he will never reach 2025 and the superdelegates will decide!

A vote for Obama is a vote for the lunetic racist Rev. Wright!

Go Hillary '08!

Posted by: FL_voter | May 7, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Uh, Chuck, it's not my fault that more people vote in primaries than the caucus.

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Dear American Supporters

All white supremacy, nazi Hitler lovers, KKK, "wet back" haters hiroshima survivors haters,please make a donation to my page,also please ask grandma and granpa to send me some dollars from their social security check.

I promise I will make you feel good, do not worry about america, this country has alwys been divided.

I know how to play politics I will not only exploit your emotions of hate, I will blame it unto my oponent, Yes I know how to do it, after all I do not have anything to losse, who cares about the stupid superdelegates, or the senate, I have enough money to retire, and look how I impress the media just my telling them I lend my campaing 6 million dollars, their poor white ego is willing to listen and belive to anything that I say, I have the power to confort them. HA HA HA!

I have the power to make america angry
I control this campaign
I have the power to divide
I have the power to exploit your emotions
I have the power because I am entitled to it HA HA HA!

Posted by: Alma ludivina | May 7, 2008 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh, words of wisdom - I can smell shrill, desperate, and hysterical from across the country from you. Nice spin, though...he won and he came thisclose to winning Indiana.

Have the lambs stopped crying, clarice?

Posted by: LABC | May 7, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Obama is a bum. Chalk one up for the Republicans baby

Posted by: Diehard | May 7, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous at 8:46 PM:

Maybe they got tired of being called RACIST one too many times? Look for McCain to make a BIG push for Hillary supporters, using code words like "experience" and "results" ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and JakeD - Hillary is only behind Obama by 80,000 + in the popular vote if you spot her 300,000 + in Michigan when he wasn't on the ballot. Plus, there is this thing called a caucus that I hear he was pretty good at. Facts are stubborn things, eh?

Posted by: Chuck | May 7, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Senator Clinton did well. When I campaigned for Senator Obama in..., I came across a lot of voters that was casting their votes for Senator Clinton. "They" were very nice to me as they welcomed me into their homes. Although they were voting for Senator Clinton, they also amared by Senator Obama's performance and his plan for America. However, they were getting very fraustrated with Senator clinton's political tactics of attacking Senator Obama negatively instead of focusing on the mean ISSUES. Some of them made it very clear that if Senator Clinton didn't stop with the excessive negative attacts against Senator Obama, "They" would cast thier votes for Senator Obama. Did it work?

Posted by: Al-quso13 | May 7, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Dirk......you and people like you dont belong in this great nation of Ours. If you believe that North Carolina "people" dont deserve to vote because they may be black then there is surely a problem with you. You have been living in a cacoon and let me remind you we are in 2008 and not in 1808 or 1908. The world has changed and unless you cant come to terms with that then all i can say is "go F yourself"

Posted by: Dirk is a Mofo Jerk | May 7, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

You guys keep thinking that just because HRC drops the party will unify behind Obama. Like hell. No way no how will I lock step behind the people who have denied my vote in florida. Furthermore, He does not have the talent or the experience.

My vote goes to McCain unless Hillary somehow pulls off a miracle.

Posted by: MELISANDE | May 7, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

WHATEVER THE RUNNING VOTES CLINTON WILL GO DOWN AND OBAMA WILL RISE UP

Posted by: MOHAMMAD OBAIDULLAH | May 7, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

That's allright, that's okay,

McCain will beat either ANYWAYS!

Go mighty ELEPHANTS!

Boom-boom HEY!

Eenie meanie miney moe,
catch a demo by the toe,
if they hollar let em' know,
Republicans are number one!

Shake that skirt and wuuuuuuuuuuuuu!

Posted by: Elefantey | May 7, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Yar:

Yes.

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

It's really rather amazing that some Hillary supporters claim they will vote for McCain rather than Obama. If one looks at Hillary's and Obama's policies and approaches to governing there isn't much difference. Just like there isn't much difference in the amount of time or quality of their experience when age is controlled for. The only real difference between them is character and skin color. When it comes to character (i.e., the capacity to tell the truth and stand on principles), Obama and McCain have more in common than Hillary and McCain. For Hillary supporters, character can't be an issue because she is rather deficient on that front (e.g., her vote on Iraq and refusal to acknowledge it was wrong, sniper fire, empty promises of gas tax holidays, oh and my favorite and most delusional...her promise to break up the "monopoly" called OPEC). Maybe Hillary supporters are attracted to her because of her policies. But wait, if you are unhappy with the policies and approach to governing that has occurred over the last eight years in the form of Bush and Company, you will vote for more of the same by casting a vote for McCain? That makes no sense and is completely illogical. So what is it then that would defy all reason and cause one to behave in a manner likely to inflict lasting self harm? Ahhhh, it must be race. And for those who think Black people are only voting for Obama because he is Black, why is it that they are far more willing to vote for Hillary should Obama not be the nominee and a vast majority Hillary supporters (aka her "base" or "blue collar white workers" ---her campaigns descriptor not mine) are not willing to do the same? Obama and Hillary are vastly different than McCain and Bush, why on earth would one default to McCain if they can't have Hillary? Go figure....

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Two words: Crown Heights.

I'm of the older generation of white people, the same age as Reverend Wright. But on the opposite side of the fence.

We do have some memories: Memories of Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, H. Rap Brown, the Black Panthers, Joanne Chesimard, and Farrakhan. Memories of the Watts riots, the Detroit riots, the Los Angeles riots and the Crown Heights riots. Memories of virulent anti-Semitism among militant blacks.

I have no problem with black people serving in high office. I wanted Colin Powell to run for President in 1996. I was glad to see Condi Rice become National Security Adviser in 2001.

But after 50 years of black militancy and violence, I think I have had just about enough of this "black rage" schtick. I've had enough of Black Liberation Theology and Black Separatism. I've had enough of politicians like Al Sharpton and Barack Obama who flirt with it.

And I've had enough of Obama.

I won't vote for him if you paid me.

Too many bad memories.

Posted by: sinz52 | May 7, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Words of Wisdom:

Barack HUSSEIN Obama flip-flopped on Indiana being a "tiebreaker" on MTP Sunday.

Dirk:

Nope : )

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I learned something really important in the last two months:

I really don't like a lot of Obama's most vocal supporter's... makes it harder for me to want to be on their side after Hillary drops it.

Posted by: jerome, LA | May 7, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

there will be a good amount of healing in dem party before nov. not near a complete healing, but enough to draw many of Clinton's "white working class" into his camp. I believe this will manifest because McCain's actual proposals run counter to most voters best interest. I can only hope many are angry and smart enough to see the light. But Bush was voted twice, so we know people's tendency toward kool-aide. Am I expecting too much from humanity?

Posted by: Yar | May 7, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me that if it comes to Hillary against McCain, I should vote for McCain as she has stated what a great man he is. Neither Democrat or Republican, I vote for the best person and if Hillary is the candidate for the Democratic Party, she has already advised that McCain is a great man. I also worry that the Republican Party want her to be the nominee because of all the Limbaugh antics to cause chaos, that also says to me the republican party knows they can beat Hillary and want her on the ticket. Open for any suggestions.

Posted by: Whoseit? | May 7, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

For the elections-challenged individuals who think that giving Obama any delegates based on "Uncommitted" votes in Michigan -- what if those voters were truly UNCOMMITTED -- why not just give Obama all of Gravel's votes too?

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 8:44 PM | Report abuse

How can Hillary unite the party for Obama?

Hillary should request that her Super-Delegates deflect to Obama to put him over the needed amount to win the nomination. It would be a great story for the press and will show the classy side of the Clintons that has been not seen lately during the heat of the campaign. I think it will win her respect and boost Obama up at the same time. If she can't win, why not be the one to help him over the finish line?

Posted by: theatreofdreams | May 7, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

JakeDuh, is there any chance you will be giving us a break from your endless posting? You haven't been right yet...

Posted by: Dirk's mom and dad hate him | May 7, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse


Look at it this way:

EVERY calculating, self aggrandizing,
money grubbing, cheating, crooked lying twisting of words and efforts...
all the speeches, the using, posturing...the hundreds of thousands of things over the hundreds of rabid driven climbing days...

throug all those years, (think of them), that Hillary Clinton has done, committed...

staying with Bill, looking like a fool, cutting corners, ruining reputations and
wiggling out of indictments and investigations...

so she could become President. IS OVER!!!Is over.

Over. Must be hard. But cause for rejoicing for decent people who care about this country. Yippee.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Dan

Are you serious? What exactly did you expect out of North Carolina ???? Did Hillary have to get 75% of the white vote for you to say that she should keep going?

And what about Indiana??

Obama said Indiana was the tiebreaker, and he lost.

What did you expect out of Indiana??? The northwest corner of the state is 10 minutes from Obama's house and is a part of the Chicago media market? What realistically could you have expected?


yea?????


The truth is at the end of February one could have sketched out the remaining primaries - and penciled in Obama to do much better yesterday - Obama is the one who underperformed.

What is going on with you guys???


Three weeks ago Obama said Indiana was the tiebreaker. Everyone thought that made sense.


Posted by: Words of Wisdom | May 7, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

yar:

That's TAME for around here ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

For the math challenged individuals who think that giving Hillary all the delegates from the non-contests in Michigan (where Obama wasn't on the ballot) and Florida will put her in the lead - please, go do the math. Obama is still ahead spotting her those states.

Most likely Michigan and Florida's delegates will get 1/2 votes and Obama will get credit for the 40% who voted "uncommitted" in Michigan. Not enough net gain for Hillary to even be less than 100 delegates behind Obama. Face it - he out-organized her and out-campaigned her. He won. It is as simple as that.

Let's get together and give the Republicans the thrashing they deserve in November.

Posted by: Chuck | May 7, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

If it's true that Obama can't win the white, middle class vote in November, than wouldn't if follow, by the same logic, that Hillary can't win the black vote in November?

I don't think so.

Posted by: Stan | May 7, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

If African-Americans can claim that Obama is African-American, I have every right to claim that he is a white American, since his mother is white!

Posted by: Karlin | May 7, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

that was quit unneeded. thanks for the hustler preview.

Posted by: yar | May 7, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Now that Hillary has had a good, long lick of Obama dick, it's time for her to go home knowing it was a job well done.

Posted by: Herman White | May 7, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

***************************************
I am sorry to tell you folks, but I think USA is no longer a democratic nation.

Democracy is built on very fundamental concept that "EVERY CITIZEN AS EQUAL RIGHTS". In voting terms, every vote has equal value.

But increasingly it seems to me that "youth" vote is NOT as valuable as senior vote, "black" vote is NOT as valuable as "white" vote. "educated people" (aka elite) is NOT as valuable as "blue-collar white" vote.

No, I'm not obsessed about OBAMA -- But I had to post this as it makes me feel sick to my stomach people differentiating some votes are more valuable than other!

***************************************

Posted by: KV | May 7, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Now the Democrats have 2 totally unelectable candidates - one is just a deader duck than the other one. How stupid exactly is the Democratic party in allowing either one of these lying twits to run for the Presidential nomination? Do they want to guarantee a loss against the Republicans in November? Sure looks like it.

Posted by: AmericanCitizen | May 7, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Hillary, as you can see, is already into deficit spending, and throwing good money after bad.

Just a tiny example of what she would do if she was given the keys to the White House.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I have a proposal:
Let us counter 'project chaos' with our own mission. Let us take stock of our priorities and recognize the great number of issues we democrats agree upon. We should reach out to one another and find a way to work together. We might even consider reaching out to conservatives. Isn't that what our candidates want? Isn't that what is best for our nation and the world? Isn't that the only way we will truly move forward?


We can name this new mission after the man who ultimately inspired it: We can call it 'PROJECT LIMBAUGH'.

Posted by: jesse | May 7, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Can you say third party?

Posted by: Packard | May 7, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

LOL, monadnock!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

In my opinion, Hillary will probably stay in the race and continue to raise funds, but these funds will be to help get her loans from herself paid off. Because, after she drops out of the race, who in their right mind would donate to help multi-millionaires Bill and Hillary replenish their net worth. B&H who probably have more money than the donors have? Watch for another book to come out by Hillary, and maybe even one by Bill.

Posted by: Armyvet | May 7, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

1972: McGovern Flip Flops on Eagleton

2008: McGovern Flip Flops on Clinton

......some things never change!

Posted by: monadnock | May 7, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I give him that much? is my language too extreme??? hey, I really really disagree strongly with his over-all course he want to set for this country... alright!!!!!!!

He will never get my political support.

Enough said.

Down with McCain!

Posted by: Yar | May 7, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Ralphinphnx:

Why is Barack HUSSEIN Obama polling better head-to-head against John SIDNEY McCain in lots of States then?

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse


Hillary wnts to manage this country?
Manage this country's finances, for example???

Wants to be the CHIEF EXECUTIVE?

Look at the mess, the utter shambles she and her "new york" arrogant smart alec staff made of her campaign.

It was a mess. They are a mess.
SHE is a mess.

Posted by: ms messy | May 7, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Oh how funny,so Dan and the Kool Aid Drinker Obamabots sorry to have to tell you
this right now,but I never heard the fat
lady sing yet,and that proves ya'll need
to lay off all that Toxic Obama Kool Aid
as your all delusional,if you did. Face it
empty suit lying con artist liberal loser
Barack Hussein Obama is Unelectable and even pathetic old Republican Amnesty John
McCain will kick Obama butt good on election day. And so once again the dimwit
Democrats blew it just like they always do!
Just Say No Barack Hussein Obama in 2008.

Posted by: Ralphinphnx | May 7, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Seeing her emerge this morning in W Va.was

like seeing some slimey old relic reptile
crawl up once again from the swamp.

Posted by: Hallie
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Let me get this straight. You are part of the "unity" campaign, the new age people who stand against the dirty politics of the past.

Pretty much everything about the Obama campaign is fraudulent. With the possible exception of Obama himself, for all I can tell maybe he is OK.

Perhaps you can afford to allienate many of the Clinton voters and still win next fall. Good luck with that!

Posted by: HuckFinn | May 7, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

vision gone bad:

Whether you were for, or against, the Vietnam war -- McCain served his country honorably and remained a POW for 5 1/2 years -- you give him that much, right?

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

jg1:

Hillary (and McCain) have hateful, rabid fanatics too ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

McCain very well might sign immigration reform, point for u there, but There is nothing else I like about the man's vision.... Down with McCain!

Posted by: vision gone bad | May 7, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

"Here's what Obama should do. Let her run herself into such a financial hole she'll be begging to get out and while she's running just have Obama's superdelegates get Hillary's delegates to defect. If enough super's are peeled away she'll see the light.

She's staying in to get something out of it. She deserves nothing but a swift kickin the pants.

He shouldn't give her a dime or position. She'll just abuse it. Let her burn."

It is comments like this from avid Obama supporters that make it difficult to even comtemplate voting for Obama in November. As a life-long Democrat, I cannot vote for someone who inspires such hate.

Posted by: jg1 | May 7, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Alex:

Obama only has an 87,823 lead in the total popular vote (if Florida and Michigan are counted). That's less than +0.25% over Hillary. This nomination contest is, statistically, a tie.

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton camp sure did not think the association was unwelcomed when he supported them.

Posted by: Alex
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Yes, true enough. And I am not bashing George McGovern.

My point is that the parallels with Obama are uncomfortable. McGovern was also a fresh faced, new-style politician championed by college kids. Running against an unpopular war. Lost in a landslide because the Repubs could so easily paint him to the left. Obama is in similar position.

Posted by: HuckFinn | May 7, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Finish the Deal:

Why don't you think a President McCain would sign immigration reform?

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

"Ya, I had to chuckle today when the Obama camp got so excited over the endorsement of George McGovern. That is not an association they ought to welcome."

The Clinton camp sure did not think the association was unwelcomed when he supported them.

Posted by: Alex | May 7, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I always find it telling that while Obama supporters shout, "Yes WE can," Clinton supporters say, "Yes SHE can."

To me that says everything right there.

Time for Hillary to go. Let's get focused on beating McCain!

Posted by: Alex | May 7, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic Party will go down the avenue of McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis ... This Democrat will vote McCain if this is the pathetic choice of the party.

Posted by: Political Watchdog
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Ya, I had to chuckle today when the Obama camp got so excited over the endorsement of George McGovern. That is not an association they ought to welcome.

McGovern was running against an unpopular president who was in the middle of an unpopular war. The Republicans smeared McGovern with the three A's, "Abortion, Amnesty and Acid" and won a landslide victory.

Posted by: HuckFinn | May 7, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

We must not only beat McCain, but just as, or even more important is to grow the democratic seats in congress, We need to near super-majority level in the senate to start passing good bills, passing democratic bills. Without the numbers, it is unlikely a Dem Pres. could pass the really hard, needed stuff like a real semi-universal health care, immigration reform, a brillant energy policy, an a re-imagining of foreign policy. I am for Obama, but his vision of building "Reagan Democrats" will only go so far. So all these newly registared Dems, all Dem, independents, even rep. show up in November and finish the deal, Vote Democrat, Independent across the ticket!

Posted by: Finish the Deal | May 7, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Hallie:

5. I was FOR the Gas-Tax Holiday before I was Against it!

4. I Did Not Have Spiritual Relations With That Man, Rev. Wright ...

3. I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08.

2. I Was Born Because of Selma.

1. I Could No More Disown Rev. Wright Than I Could Disown My White Grandmother

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse


Seeing her emerge this morning in W Va.was

like seeing some slimey old relic reptile
crawl up once again from the swamp.

The fouled dirty Clinton swamp.

Please, I'm sick of seeing that nasty
mouth going and going and going and
hearing that haughty
screachy voice and the "I, I, I, I, I,"

Count the number of times in any five minutes she says "I am,I will I can
I have. And throw up. Please take her away.

Posted by: Hallie | May 7, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

HuckFinn:

COURAGE!!!!

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't know what these prominent and "knowledgeable" politicians see in Obama that the working Americans cannot see.
Personally, all I can see is a junior senator trying to become the president of the most powerful country in the world.
At least the Democrats will know who to blame when Mccain trashes Obama, or when America go down with Obama if he becomes president. These are very dangerous times. Obama is untested and very green. He is only good in talking and getting credit for what he did not do.
God help America and the Americans. There will be finger pointing and the Blacks will find themselves in a situation much worse than anything before. They are mostly responsible for voting along racial lines. Bush is bad? Obama will even be "worst of worst".
And the knowledgeable politicians? They will find others to blame. They are good at that. All they care is the party and not the country. Have you read or heard them say for the good of the country? No. Always for the good of the party.

Posted by: Bobby | May 7, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

N Smith:

The Democrats control both houses of Congress -- why did Speaker Pelosi take impeachment off the table -- why didn't they cut off funding to "end this ridiculous war"?

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

any Hillary supporter who is planning to vote McCain seriously needs to grow up and live up to the responsibility that comes with living in a democratic nation.
Posted by: Cizmad
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You have a very rigid, narrow mind. Although I am ideologically a Democrat, I am deeply offended by the absolutism, arrogance and uncompromising nature of the Obama movement. Your comment perfectly reflects this cult-like mentality.

McCain is one of the few Republicans who I would be comfortable voting for. Richard Lugar is another.

I am not supporting McCain out of spite. I think he is far more qualified to be president than Obama. It is a very difficult choice to vote for a Republican, and I certainly hope the Dems do well in congressional races.

Posted by: HuckFinn | May 7, 2008 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Martiniano:

So, assuming that Marilyn Quayle "can't play fair" that somehow disqualified Dan? You will have to explain your "logic" a bit.

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's obstinacy in the face of the obvious is an omen. Such obstinate behavior is exactly what has led Bush to ruin America. He can't admit when he is wrong. He can't admit a mistake. And now we see Hillary exhibiting the exact same traits.

Clinton is part of the old ways. We need new ways. We need Obama.

Posted by: MollyB | May 7, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

"It is surprising that even after months of attack from media, WashPo included, so much of backstabbing from DEMs, Clinton still manages to fetch sizable amount of votes. No. The more amazing thing is that Obama managed to tie in Indiana and win in NC AFTER the "Wright controversy" and his being attacked in the most recent debate. He is still here! Now we need to consolidate and beat McCain. We MUST beat McCain and end this ridiculous war.

Posted by: N Smith | May 7, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Every American citizen is a real American.

Everyone should matter, everyone.

Hillary will allow herself to gracefully exit by July 15, If she stops her scorched-earth game, she still can, and will return with respect to be a strong senator.

Posted by: Yar | May 7, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Michigan voter:

All those pro-life CATHOLICS were "never Democrats"?

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Hillary can't be anyone's VP because of Bill. He's already shown that he can't play fair.

Posted by: Martiniano | May 7, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Actually if you do the math in Indiana - Senator Obama won 49% of the vote, Senator Clinton 51%. According to the media he won by the black vote. However - the percentage of black voters in Indiana is only 9%. That's means that out of the 1,274,985 voters that came out, 9% is about 114,748 and 90% of that is 103,273. So that would mean that somehow out of over 1.2 million voters, about 100 000 black voters gave Senator Obama 49% of the vote. In NC the same is also true. There were about 1.5 million The black vote only counted for 21% of the vote. That means that out of over 1.5 million voters Senator Obama won 56% of the votes or 875,693 votes based on the (black) votes of 90% of 21% of the voters ie: about 280,000 votes. I mean black people have done some amazing and wonderful things but even I can't really see how they could have pulled that off.

So all those who say his campaign is being won along racial lines tell me, where did the majority of Obamas votes in both states come from since its obvious they were not from black people. And once you've answered that explain to me again how his campaign is being won along racial lines? And after you've answered that, explain to me why Senator Clinton who is supposed to be running on the strength of the female vote could not win every single state when based on national statistic, chances are the number of women vote could out number that of men in many places.

Posted by: lisaMD | May 7, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

She will stay in until the end. The Obamistas will complete their task of alienating most of her supporters. McCain will win. Obama will never win a general election.

Posted by: Chicago1 | May 7, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

How did Hilary ever decide her consituency was New York as a senator ? She is a carpetbagger, and she assumes she can slide right into the White house as well. Show some class , even if your real constituency is undereducated white women and blue collar folks.

Posted by: Frank Dracman | May 7, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

Kip,
Dont ask what can your country do for you, but what can you do for your country.
If we all work as a collective (regardless or racial,age or sexual barriers) we can perfect the union of this country.
We are at stage in this country where we can all achieve great things. I am an immigrant black woman from poor beginnings and i am HR Manager for a fortune 500 company.those opportunities were not normally available to people like me years ago, so now i am very appreciative of this great country and would like give back in any way i can.
If prices are high,we should boycott things and stand together as a collective and whoever the government and say "we the people, will not tolerate that" And those are some of the things we can "ALL DO TOGETHER" .
The economy and everything else affects all of us.

Posted by: DEBB | May 7, 2008 7:56 PM | Report abuse

How come the Clintons are always running out of money?
1. Bill gets humungous fees for speeches, seems like they'd be rolling in dough.
2. Didn't Clinton's supporters believe in her enough to put their money where their mouths wer?
3. Are they just terrible money managers?
4. Are they skimming some of the contributions into the Clinton library fund with all the other anonymous donations?

Just don't anybody make them any loans. Ask Peter J Paul - he's been in court for 8 years trying to get the $1.5 million+ that the Clintons owe him.

Posted by: Donna G | May 7, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Political Watchdog:

As an Independant I find it funny you call yourself a Democrat. You're the kid in the neighborhood who always took picked up his bat and ball and wnet home when he didn't get what he wanted. Boo hoo.

Posted by: clamb1 | May 7, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

MikeH0714;
Obama didn't take the Red states - he merely won many of the Democratic primaries in those states. That doesn't mean that a state has gone over to the Democrats. The true test will come in November when the Southern States have to decide between a white Republican and a black Democrat. Obama will get 90+ percent of the black vote across party lines. That will not be enough if McCain receives 60% of the white vote; Republicans and a few Democrats who want to vote for a white candidate (assuming they have the same racial voting rights as blacks do).

And please - enough of the evil Hillary being selfish and the altruistic Obama is out to save the world. We are talking about politicians here. There is nothing wrong about Hillary aspiring to be the first female president, as is Obama's desire to be the first black president (of US). I hope Obama supporters don't believe he is on a crusade ordained by a higher authority to save the world - not even US. He is no less egotistical than Hillary is in a desire to occupy the office that they both are seeking.

So Hillary is a former First Lady. Has she not proved herself as a US Senator to be capable of conducting the affairs of the office without Bill. Until Obama declared his candidacy the Democrats held Bill in high esteem for his handling of the presidency (not necessarily his private life at the time). Now the Clintons are black-balled and chastised to rationalize Obama's candidacy. Who are behind this movement - the young who think of themselves as the only ones educated to make decisions, and the black. Obama has won the black vote by the color of his skin and mesmerized the white youth by delivery of his message.

Bottom line is - they are still only two selfish politicians in a semi-final fighting to meet the finalist of the other semi-final match to duke it out for the Political Olympic Gold (POG) medal. No more, no less.

So - I like Hillary for all the same reasons (emotional mixed with what we believe to be facts) Obama supporters like him. Let the games go on!

Posted by: myk | May 7, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

If Obama gets the nomination ... so the Repubs & the sell-out Dems get McCain elected for the Bush III admin....

Then, I think the Dem party will fold into NOTHING ... & all us former Good Democrats ... as the millions of new members of the GREEN party ... can vote for a THIRD PARTY candidate for President ... in 2012 ... maybe ... Hillary Clinton 2012.

Posted by: elme | May 7, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

The Democratic Party will go down the avenue of McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, and Kerry if Obama is the nominee. But the liberal bent of the party would rather be left than win. As Mark Twain said, "I don't belong to a political party. I am Democrat." This Democrat will vote McCain if this is the pathetic choice of the party.

Posted by: Political Watchdog | May 7, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

After the victory of Obama, America will become an OBAMA-NATION!! :P

Obama '08

Posted by: Richard Cheese | May 7, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

"Clinton won real Americans by a huge margin and she is the real nominee."

It's too bad all those "real Americans" can't see fit to donate money to her campaign. She's constantly broke and loaning her campaign money. At the same time, I guess Obama is getting all those donations from "fake Americans."

Posted by: clamb1 | May 7, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Those who believe so strongly in her campaign should put down the millions of dollars she needs to continue. Those who donate always vote.

If you believe she will win, send her a check or go online and give $50 today. Put the money down.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey Dirk, whatever nationality you are, perhaps we should take away your right to vote and all of your country men too. Your comment is racist, ignorant, and bigoted. There is no room in America for people like you. Let's hope Obama becomes President and you will see the light of an all encompassing and united nation.

Posted by: Bob L | May 7, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Yeh, Geraldine, we got it the first time. You're repeating yourself dear (like about 500 times!) Judging by your reference to Dave Garroway, I put you in Hillary's demographic - uneducated old ladies, with signs of dementia. They have some good medications for that now.

Posted by: Beverly | May 7, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Give em 50% in MIch and FL like the GOP

no one minded they got punished 50%

Posted by: I say split em | May 7, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Either Hillary Clinton should drop out gracefully forthwith, or it will become painfully obvious that her strategy is practicing character assassination against Barack Obama, so that she can come back and win in 2012 after four disastrous years of McCain.

The American people deserve better. Close ranks and support Barack Obama.

Posted by: oldhonky | May 7, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Dirk wrote:
"There's no way I'm voting for Obama. If he was white it wouldn't have even been close. He only won NC because of a bunch of 'people' who don't even deserve to vote."

Why is it ok for a black man to vote for a white man, but not the other way around? And don't you have a klan meeting or cross burning to attend?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I am very disappointed Clinton didn't do better in our state; but it's history. They should have a redo in Michigan and Florida. They have the funds to do it. Obama is objecting. Just because the politicians moved the dates up, why take it out on the voters? The demo party should just do it-Obama is a candidate, not a king. He doesn't make the rules. If the candidates want to campaign there, fine. If not, it's their choice. Give them both the chance to win over those two states. Florida and Michigan are part of us. It's the only fair way to pick the nominee. I don't want to see superdelegates voting for us; because if they do, it will cease to be an election, everyone wasted their time and money, and most importantly, our votes will then be for nothing!

Posted by: hoosier | May 7, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

VOTE GOP
Secret wiretaps are ONLY for your protection

Supreme Court Nominees like Roberts

Posted by: fingerprint file | May 7, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Yes! Amen.
Nothing against Hillary, just my second choice.
Those who feel she should continue should give her the money to continue her effort.

Don't post negative things about Obama and then shy away from supporting your preferred candidate financially.

Posted by: asja | May 7, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Bitter hillary supporters who claim to be democrats and say they'll support McBush or stay home, just make sure you tell your friends to get their abortions while they can.

Then buy stock in coat hangers.

The idea that a democrat would vote for McBush is laughable. You were never democrats.

Posted by: Michigan voter | May 7, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton's tried a race-baiting carpetbagging strategy that appealled to the worst in white voters. After African Americans had voted 87% for Bill Clinton and helped Hillary get elected to her New York Senate seat, The Clinton's threw their loyal African American constituency under the bus to get a few white Pennsylvanian's votes.

The Clintons attacked Obama's black church in front of mostly white audiences and they really did not fool their former African American constituency. The race baiting was crass and not disguised

Now Hillary's support comes from the dope fiend Rush Limbaugh, who knows Barack Obama will overwhelm the 72-year old John McCain who is lackluster, sorry and no account and North Carolina's racist republican party who ran ads against Obama. The dope fiend and dope dealer Limbaugh, is urging his ditto heads to vote for Hillary in an effort to stop Obama now.

Hillary should be ashamed of herself for throwing her most loyal constituency under the bus for a few white votes. She has paid dearly and will continue to pay.

Posted by: DCSage | May 7, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama-Clinton 2008

Posted by: OneFreeMan | May 7, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

bob@bobclapp:

Why should she "get off the field" before the final buzzer?

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

those who believe so strongly in her campaign should put down the millions of dollars she needs to continue. those who donate always vote.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

People like dir(c)k are the reason that people like Obama exist. There are less and less of you neandethals exh generation, but congratulations on receieving an education...

Hillary is completely toast, the Fat lady has started to sing...

She will be the VOP nominee, Obama has the capacity in his make up to make this so and unite all, which will make the Dir(C)ks of this orld obsolete in their views...

Posted by: it is dirk with a Little "c" | May 7, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Get REAL About "Race"

ERRONEOUS Mis-Information about "RACE" is routinely provided to the public.

First, let's get REAL about "race".

From a college textbook:
There's no such thing. There's only ONE race. The human race.

If that was not so humans of different "races" could not produce progeny.

People can have as little as 13% genes of African origin and still look "black"
People can have as much as 47% genes of African origin and still look "white"

From an AP newswire article in the newspaper more than 20 years ago:
More than 87% of Americans have black ancestors.

From the internet last year:
Article and pictures of identical twin baby girls born in France. Identical, except that one twin had brown skin, eyes, and hair and appeared to be a black baby, while the other twin had white skin, blue eyes, and blonde hair and appeared to be a white baby.

(I don't recall the source of the following information):
After the civil war there were whole towns full of "black" people who appeared to be "white. These towns sprang up because the black people would not let them live in their town because they looked white. The white people would not let them live in their town because they knew firsthand the white-appearing people had recent black ancestors.

Over time the white appearing "black" people in those towns moved away and passed as white & the "white/"black" towns gradually disappeared.

That did not take hundreds of years. That fact is evident in the population today. I know people who have one parent who looks all white with their other parent appearing to be black, but their child appears to be all white; you can't tell by looking.

I began writing this after seeing Wright on CNN saying: "Louis Farakkhan is not my enemy. Farakkhan did not put me in chains. Farakkhan did not enslave me". By implication, the Rev. Wright thereby NAMES "white" people his Enemy/( THE Enemy of Black people). (Problem with that is: most of those "white" people are "black" ... many of them with more genes of African Ancestry than he has ... regardlless of their looks."

Problem with Reverend Wright (& Obama) is: They have not TRANSCENDED "race"; they continue to harbor hateful feelings toward "whites"; they do not even know the REALITY of "race" as I have stated it here; are still operating emotionally on the basis of ... prejudice ... based on skin color; still operating on the OLD INGNORANT mis-conceptions.

Their problem is not intellectual, its emotional. The emotional mis-perceptions / mis-information they are both
operating on are the cause of the - division on the basis of race - currently being experienced by all of us
during this presidential campaign.

The source of that division is Obama and Wright's prejudice on the basis
of SKIN COLOR.

The solution is to so publicize the REAL truth and the REAL History of "race" any person expousing such nonsense will simply be laughed at. Everybody and every media needs to spread the word:

a. There's no such thing.
b. Most Americans have black ancestors.
c. Make movies based on the REAL History, Real Story, of the rise and decline of the "white/"black" towns in the border states.

Currently, the radical-Left, and the radical-right, are both making use of Obama & the Reverend Wright's prejudices/ emotional problems ... to stir up trouble for all Americans... by using the IGNORANCE/prejudices/emotional problems of SOME "members" of TWO "races" (that Do NOT EXIST in America) ... to create inter-racial STRIFE .... based on skin COLOR.

(Shades of the star-bellied sneeches ... just as stupid ... just as EASILY AVOIDABLE by GETTING the TRUTH OUT.)


p.s. Sorry Obama & Wright, et al on the LEFT, and RUSH, Hannity, et al on the RIGHT ...I think your're about a generation too late to stir up all the hate-speech and riots you're trying to create. Integration succeeded. There are a whole lot of "black" citizens who have "white" grandchildren & a whole lot "white" citizens who have "black" grandchildren.

Posted by: elme | May 7, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Hang in there Hillary, keep humming the Rocky theme. Just bring up the Snake Oil Salesman's untruthful stories about his past, his gross inexperience, his unsavory connections with the bomber Ayers, highly questionable land deal with his felonious friend Rezco, his 20 year relationship with the hate mongering spiritual adviser who obviously effected his ingrate wife, calling babies just a burden and the damage that an ultra liberal will do to the economic engines of our country.
And don't let the Democrat party disenfranchise your voters in Florida and Michigan or steal your chances by using the Super Delegates who will make sure the Democrats vote the Wright errrrrr right way.
Yes Hillary show the rest of the Democrats that they aren't hypocrites in being outraged about the 2000 election and then steal this election by not counting the Michigan and Florida voters and have waiting in the wings the "Super Delegates" who will make sure the voters don't make the wrong decision.

Posted by: mikr | May 7, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Yaa we need judges more Like Scalia in the Supreme Coutr to bring back corporate rights and stomp on womens rights

Posted by: clone scalia | May 7, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Yaa we more Like Scalia in the Supreme Coutr to bring back corporate rights

Posted by: clone scalia | May 7, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Hillary All The Way Says: "Isn't it funny how all the ignorant and clueless Obama supporters who have been trashing Hillary (and Bill) now have the impossible task of courting us Hillary supporters for November? Your pleas will now fall on deaf ears. Now you need us after all your endless, ignorant vitrol maligning and spitting on the Clintons and Bills legacy?". As your post demonstrates, the vitriol is most certainly a two way street. I think Hillary is going to work hard for Obama this fall. If her supporters really support her, I assume they'll carefully consider her arguments for voting for Obama over McCain.

Posted by: newageblues | May 7, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Thank Goodness McCain is always been VERY RIGHT ON JUDGE SLECTIONS

The Majority is getting almost as old as he is

Posted by: Right wing judges | May 7, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

"and, although I like Obama, he hasn't won the most critical blue states...."
I'm rather doubt that those "blue" states will throw their votes to a Bush third term. What I think will be good is the chance to pick up some "purple" and possibly turn some "red" states. In talking to friends who usually vote Republican, they are pretty disgusted with the current state of their party's leadership, and are seriously considering Obama (definitely not the Clintons).

Posted by: Joyce | May 7, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

I support Hillary all the way, but maybe she should think of bowing out, gracefully and maybe running with Obama...seems like it's time for the Democratic Party to show they are in it against McCain....

Posted by: cindy | May 7, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

....I know it's a hard pill to swallow, but the large Black turnout is more about disgust for Hillary than love for Obama. Truth hurts...but that's reality.....

That's the "reality" the Corporate-Controlled MEDIA is SELLING.

This is what I saw:

All the TV channels reporting ... Bills said "fairytale" ... that's racist. Hillary said ... Johnson passed the Civil Rights bill ... that's racist. Bill said ... Jesses Jackson won South Carolina...that's racist.

During a televised Debate on MSNBC ... Tim Russert says to Obama: your campaign has been pushing accusations of racism to the press ... as shown in this 4-page internal Campaign MEMO ... (Russert rustles the copy of the 4-page Memo in his hand)

Obama says ... well, you know our campaign staff, our supporters ... just say things they shouldn't say.

AND there the Matter Was DROPPED by ALL the TV & MSM. (The only reason Tim Russert brought it up was because a copy of the 4-page Memo had been posted on the Huffington Post a few days before.)

It was the Obama campaign who "played the race card" to win the South Carolina primary. Without it, they would hve lost.

Think about it: Who had MOTIVE and OPPORTUNITY. Obama.

Who had NO MOTIVE? Clintons....(unless they had a lose the S.C. primary suicide)
wish.

The Obama campaign has played the race card everytime they've been behind in the polls.


A few weeks ago ... same video shown on MSNBC & CNN: (paraphrasing):

Bill's voice from months ago (Speaking to a Radio host in answer to the Radio host's question on the Subject of: the HISTORY of the S.C. Primary) ::: "Jesse Jackson won the S.C. primary".

NEXT, video of Bill answering a QUESTION from a newsguy (not shown) ... who was obviously badgering him to answer:

Bills's face & voice: I'll answer your question --- that's why you keep following me around, so you can get a sound bite to make something out of ... now, why don't you show THE QUESTION I was asked, I was asked about the HISTORY of the S.C. primary.

MEDIA people: What's Wrong with Bill, is he crazy ... WHY is HE bringing up the SC Primary ... AGAIN! Didn't he get in enough trouble playing the race card .. before!!!

NOTICE: The MEDIA people DID NOT provide the SOUND requested by Bill ... The Radio Host's VOICE asking HIS QUESTION ... at the time of the Radio Interview months ago.\\\\ NOR ... did the MEDIA people provide us WITH .... THE QUESTION ... Asked by the News Guy hounding him THAT DAY.

Reason: NOT the Truth, the Whole Truth.
... just a NEW sound bite to DISTORT into a LIE ... just like the original Sound Bite was distorted into the LIE: Racism.

Posted by: elme | May 7, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Brimming with unabashed arrogance and a numerical argument that is clearly flawed, Senator Clinton has been asked to withdraw regardless that it has been repeatedly said that neither candidate can accrue enough pledged delegates to win the nomination. That "Clinton and Obama remain statistically tied with John McCain in matchups" further repudiates Leahy's rationale, arguments rife with cynicism, Richardson's hubris, and Ms. Pelosi's posturing which is helping the GOP exponentially, it's sad. Silence can be a good thing, especially if it's Floridians who truly need to be silenced. CA, FL, MI, PA, OH, MA, NY are a must........and, although I like Obama, he hasn't won the most critical blue states....

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You really think the other 45% that cast their vote for them, and the true Democrats that will side with him come November will lead to him losing states? It is your logic that is flawed, unless you'll honestly cast your vote out of spite your logic should lead you to Obama. Unless you have insecurities you'd rather not admit.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm an anarchist and an atheist; therefore,I do not vote or bend a knee. They can all die the death of a rag doll. But,I was an athlete and then ateacher/ coach for over 20yrs. I,m now retired. MY POINT: coaches know what scoreboards & finish lines mean-- you win or you lose! So,Hillary Clinton get off the damn field!

Posted by: bob@bobclapp.com | May 7, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

You and I may be the only people who even know who J Fred Muggs is.

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Obama is not ready for the Repuglican attack machine. Besides, have you noticed he looks like J Fred Muggs? HRC will be ready to hit the ground running on Day One. You Go Girl.

Posted by: Geraldine | May 7, 2008 7:22 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Its down to wire
thank you Bloomington, West Lafayette, South Bend and the +12,000,000 new registered Dems for setting the RECORDS

1. Most people registered to a party in US History

2. Largested Register gap on history 43% Dem 32% GOP

Keep it going DEMS

Posted by: DeM WAvE | May 7, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: byeh | May 7, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not ready for the Repuglican attack machine. Besides, have you noticed he looks like J Fred Muggs? HRC will be ready to hit the ground running on Day One. You Go Girl.

Posted by: Geraldine | May 7, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

All Obama supporters will finally WAKE UP in November to their WORST NIGHTMARE!
John McCAIN is the new President!
Good Job, Dems!

Posted by: Democrat | May 7, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary is going to stay in then both her and Obama need to run what is a general election strategy against Mccain and not each other. Then she can leave gracefully and they will be on the way to the fall.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

I was a Hillary supporter during the start of the campaign, actually I thought it would be a pretty easy win for her...but now I am dis-illusioned by her tactics and blatant lies....how many times can you mis-speake an issuing deliberately embellishing it each time...Also she is extremely polarising with divisive tactics..True that she is tenacious as a bull dog, but hillary...come on , give it up...let the party go on..Its the republicans who are gaining from your futile fights. Exit with grace. I do not think race will be a major factor although it still may count 'coz right now , keeping up our jobs and curtailing inflations seems to be the uppermost issue that skin color...Also Hillary stop these cheap washington tactics like gas tax holidays and start looking at the long term picture 'coz thats what matters in the end.

Posted by: Ex-Hillary supporter | May 7, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Good poker player knows when to draw.
Longer she stays in, bigger the loss will be.
Simple as that.
Clinton needs to realize it's time to draw

Posted by: matthew | May 7, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

I find "Dirk"'s comments particularly offensive.

"He only won NC because of a bunch of 'people' who don't even deserve to vote. Clinton won real Americans by a huge margin and she is the real nominee."

Who, exactly, does he think doesn't deserve to vote? People who have ancestors who most likely been in this country much longer than his?

Posted by: Steve B. | May 7, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Hillary please back out now. Don't waste any more of your money.
The presidency has already been long decided. The final curtain has been drawn on this Republican directed puppet show.
The republican media has been drooling and foaming at the mouth for the last 6 months watching Hillary struggle with her inexperienced competitor. They can't wait until your out of the picture so they can focus on Obama. Tear him to shreds. Show him up for the real incompetence he holds for this job. Same strings they pulled with John Kerry in 04.
Hang tight middleclass its going to be a tough road ahead.

Posted by: chargy18 | May 7, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Hillary can stay through the end of the primaries so that the last states can have 2 choices on the ballot, but as Eddington and Tom said earlier, she needs to stay positive and pump up the party against McCain. If she is going to be negative, she needs to exit.

For all those who keep mentioning that race is an issue in this campaign, its not like it hasn't been an issue all along - just from the other side of the coin since this is the first that a plausible candidate has been something other than a white male. It's always been about race - the white race.

Posted by: 2centsworth | May 7, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

people like Dirk posting negative things about blacks and Obama are simply misguided and at best ignorant fools manifesting from the troubled past of American History. Grow up people, America belongs to all its citizens. Stop the bigotry, the whole world is watching and reading the news and your comments.

Posted by: Martin | May 7, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Dirk, 3:31PM that was a sick post. Calling Obama supporters "people" in quotation marks??? Sober up.

Posted by: newageblues | May 7, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Countdown to Victory
ITS THE SUPER BOWL
172 to 2025 Obama
267 Supers 214 Elected Delegates Remain

GO OBAMA

I vote Bruce ......Springteen for halftime show

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama/Richards, Obama/Edwards, Obama/Gore, Obama/Webb So many choices can get the ball rolling on cleaning up this mess before we destroy the 21st century.
You've seen what kind of century bush policies will bring. Let's correct course and move toward a winning future.. Instead of one that leads to battle with Iran, Russia, China, and North Korea. All fighting fire with fire has done is cause more destruction that we can't afford.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse


You will, I expect to see a complete mental break down.


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I want to see her cry.

Posted by: michael | May 7, 2008 7:08 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

It always amazed me how irrational people can get when they are on the ropes. It is the first sign it is really over when they get really desperate. They can fake it all they want but you can't tell me someone as smart Bill doesn't know it is over and wants to not lose it all after all these years.

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Hillary has gone delusional. The whole Clinton gang has gone waco. How can they put the democratic party through so much agony by staying in a race which has already been won by Obama for all practical reasons. She is giving mouth service to people that she was going to save them $28 on gas tax if they give her a lot more money as campaign contribution. Indiana showed everybody that she garnered a measly 2% edge over Obama after throwin the kitchen sink at Obama and dragging his name in mud by bringing up his pastor into the picture. At one time I used to have some respect for the Clintons. But not any more. They need not spend money on a campaign which they already know they have lost. Not only that Obama could use his money to win the general election if Hillary steps out. She has beome selfish and arrogant as well as kniving. What is she trying to prove?

Posted by: Tim Stickley | May 7, 2008 7:07 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

How about Hillary as VP for McCain. Her latest stances are distinctly republican so she might as well go the whole way.

Posted by: Carl B | May 7, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

HRC freewheeling to nuke-Iran-nirvana.

Posted by: ratl | May 7, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I want to see her cry.

Posted by: michael | May 7, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Not really, it's your country also, you want to see it go to hell just for spite? You want more guys to die in Iraq just for spite? I am sorry, I don't even know you and I doubt you are that bad of a person who would go against what are your own convictions just for spite. But you are welcome to do what you like.

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Isn't it funny how all the ignorant and clueless Obama supporters who have been trashing Hillary (and Bill) now have the impossible task of courting us Hillary supporters for November? Your pleas will now fall on deaf ears. Now you need us after all your endless, ignorant vitrol maligning and spitting on the Clintons and Bills legacy? you seriously expect us to vote for Obama and join you? now that's a good one! dream on!

Can you say President McCain?

Posted by: Hillary All the Way | May 7, 2008 7:02 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse


I just posted this on slashdot in regard to a thread there about washingtonpost.com trying to deal with adminning these blogs:

...he's not wanting just registration, he's after complete identification of the person, so that you can't just keep registering new names...

actually, just enough identification to keep from posting under multiple names, which is a higher bar to cross than strictly necessary for posting in Washington Post blogs. I am registered there and have been posting frequently until lately when it became so bad no one could possibly be trying to read the huge cut and pastes of garbage dumped in there. So I understand the source of his frustration.

They already have registration and login, so the posts are not anonymous. The registration requires an email address. However, I don't recall the "confirm registration with a number we send you in an email, or a link if you want to, to confirm registration", which most sites with a modicum of control do.

I think the following would more than suffice for a public forum like the Washington Post:

- Require a "paid for" email address for registration by banning free email domains.

- Require a confirmation from info received at the email address given with registration.

- Display some lower portion of the IP address and location with each post.

- Disable the account of anyone you ban. The email address is still in use and cannot be used again to re-register after being banned. This is easier than adding the email address to a ban list for an admin situation like the Washington Post has.

Even when Joe Blow registers with his 5 cable internet email addresses, it is clearly apparent when the posts from supposedly different people are coming from the same place. On the other hand, there could be 5 different people posting from the same place, and that's fine too. It just stops the maliciousness of posing as regular posters or other contrived dialogues when the source location is clear.

In addition, when the posting can be pinpointed back to a specific internet acount, the poster is all of a sudden not so anonymous and whose bad behavior will have consequences, at least in accessing the Washington Post with that email address as a login.

These are all simple steps, and require no extra work on the Washington Post admin's part, in fact would cut way down on the complaints they would get.

If they do it decent people might find it worth posting there again.

rd

Posted by: ralphdaugherty | May 7, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has gone delusional. The whole Clinton gang has gone waco. How can they put the democratic party through so much agony by staying in a race which has already been won by Obama for all practical reasons. She is giving mouth service to people that she was going to save them $28 on gas tax if they give her a lot more money as campaign contribution. Indiana showed everybody that she garnered a measly 2% edge over Obama after throwin the kitchen sink at Obama and dragging his name in mud by bringing up his pastor into the picture. At one time I used to have some respect for the Clintons. But not any more. They need not spend money on a campaign which they already know they have lost. Not only that Obama could use his money to win the general election if Hillary steps out. She has beome selfish and arrogant as well as kniving. What is she trying to prove?

Posted by: Tim Stickley | May 7, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

ha ha. hillary's done for. burn.

Posted by: michael | May 7, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

It is time for the democratic party to unify.

Statements from Clinton supporters that Obama can not win are incorrect, defeatist, and counterproductive. Obama has an amazing energetic campaign, a true vision for change, vast fund raising capabilities that empower small donors, intelligence, youth, eloquence, charisma, popularity with independents, a record of integrity, etc.

Likewise, I believe gloating and negative statements directed at Clinton and her supporters are not what we need.

Many of the most inflammatory comments on the internet may be either direct attempts to create divisions within the Democratic party, or may be posted by individuals who have been influenced and agitated by what is known as 'project chaos'. I find it sad that some of us believe that the use of deception to create division will benefit our nation in any way. This 'ends justify the means' tactic is destructive and unpatriotic.

Sometimes the means undermine the ends.

Clinton has the right to continue her campaign, but it is time for the democratic party to unite, and that should start with the people. In the likely event that Obama wins, Clinton should be considered as a vice presidential option. Her supporters have earned that much for her. In that position she could continue to fight for them, a promise she has made often. I encourage her supporters to reach out to her and guide her into making the right decision.

Let us do our candidates proud by coming together and restricting ourselves to well reasoned debates on real issues without distractions and flared tempers.

We can not afford four more years of GOP policy. McCain appears to be a decent man, but he no longer seems to know who he is, and his policies will be destructive. I believe that the American people know this.

I have a proposal:
Let us counter 'project chaos' with our own mission. Let us take stock of our priorities and recognize the great number of issues we democrats agree upon. We should reach out to one another and find a way to work together. We might even consider reaching out to conservatives. Isn't that what our candidates want? Isn't that what is best for our nation and the world? Isn't that the only way we will truly move forward?

We can name this new mission after the man who ultimately inspired it: We can call it 'PROJECT LIMBAUGH'.

Posted by: jesse | May 7, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Please elme. Get a free spell checker. That's caucus not cacus as you say several times. And the popular vote means just that. It has nothing to do with the caucus votes.

And really, 200-300 people in caucuses. Mine had probably 500 and that is only one precinct in 254 counties.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it funny how all the ignorant and clueless Obama supporters who have been trashing Hillary (and Bill) now have the impossible task of courting us Hillary supporters for November? Your pleas will now fall on deaf ears. Now you need us after all your endless, ignorant vitrol maligning and spitting on the Clintons and Bills legacy? you seriously expect us to vote for Obama and join you? now that's a good one! dream on!

Can you say President McCain?

Posted by: Hillary All the Way | May 7, 2008 7:02 PM
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Can you say "I don't understand the issues"?

Can you say "I treat an election like a middle-school clique fight"?

How about "I'm really so consumed with disappointment that my candidate didn't get the nomination that I really don't care about the country anymore"?

You should probably learn those phrases, just in case someone asks you where you stand politically.

Posted by: Cizmad | May 7, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Saying the blacks aren't voting for Obama just because he is black is like saying Bush was a great President..

Posted by: Hillary All the Way | May 7, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it funny how all the ignorant and clueless Obama supporters who have been trashing Hillary (and Bill) now have the impossible task of courting us Hillary supporters for November? Your pleas will now fall on deaf ears. Now you need us after all your endless, ignorant vitrol maligning and spitting on the Clintons and Bills legacy? you seriously expect us to vote for Obama and join you? now that's a good one! dream on!

Can you say President McCain?

Posted by: Hillary All the Way | May 7, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

"There's no way I'm voting for Obama. If he was white it wouldn't have even been close. He only won NC because of a bunch of 'people' who don't even deserve to vote. Clinton won real Americans by a huge margin and she is the real nominee." posted by Dirk...

Dirk,

Regarding your racist, narrow minded comment, from my perspective you are not a real American, however you have the right to vote and spout your prejudice bile. I am white, and an American proud to have the right call out racists like you.

Posted by: PAB | May 7, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Iy has more to do with the influence peddling Bill has been doing the last few years. He has as much as been promising she would be president in 08 and owes a lot of favors. I hope you don't think all that money was for speeches do you. They have to at least make it look like they tried as hard as they could. Now they have to explain to all those people who gave them millions.

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My respect for Hillary grows stronger as she continues to fight for the nomination. Her resilience is nothing short of amazing. This just shows how hard she'll work as President. Keep fighting, Hillary!

Posted by: Michael | May 7, 2008 6:55 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Interesting, at this point haven't we had enough of "fight on until the end" when the war is unwinnable.

Wonder why Obama has not started playing on the similarities of Clinton sticking it out, to the Iraq mess.

Posted by: Terry | May 7, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

As I pass thru blogs throughout the internet. I realize how some Americans are so ignorant. I see no reason why a HRC supporter cant back Obama. After all they are both democrats and have similar ideas on all issues. The biggest difference is race and gender. If thats why you ant vote for him cuz hes not white or a woman like you, thats unfortunate. For anyone who says hes inexperience my answer to that is so is every 1st term president. Last time I checked u have to be president to have that experience. Two: Rev Wright. come on how many of us have people we like or love who says stuff we dont agree with. Do we disown them we just disagree and after awhile we dont debate someone who wont listen to reason. Three: he doesnt have any real solutions. Last time I checked this was a highly educated person and if you have ever heard him speak you have to acknowledge that. Some people will never get over the fact that he is black. Which is sad I dont want my kids to grow up in that world. We should be celebrating that they have this opportunity finally!

ps Obama is not a black president just like Hillary is not white woman president. He has never mentioned race til it was brought to his doorstep.

Posted by: my kids deserve more | May 7, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Plaes stay Hillary. Kerry, Dean Gore, OBamai, Dukakis, Crater, are all losers since FDR.

We will lose again without a real fighter and person. Obama is too liberal and elitist. More crap will come out and he is dead meat in the fall to Mc Cains person war record.

Posted by: Tom | May 7, 2008 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Brimming with unabashed arrogance and a numerical argument that is clearly flawed, Senator Clinton has been asked to withdraw regardless that it has been repeatedly said that neither candidate can accrue enough pledged delegates to win the nomination. That "Clinton and Obama remain statistically tied with John McCain in matchups" further repudiates Leahy's rationale, arguments rife with cynicism, Richardson's hubris, and Ms. Pelosi's posturing which is helping the GOP exponentially, it's sad. Silence can be a good thing, especially if it's Floridians who truly need to be silenced. CA, FL, MI, PA, OH, MA, NY are a must........and, although I like Obama, he hasn't won the most critical blue states....

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

It was rather pathetic last night, watching Bill's face as Hillary gave her victory/concession speech. He is one ANGRY man! (I guess the Clintons aren't as inevitable as they thought.) Anyway, life goes on and here's my advice to Bill as to how he can get over his hurt and anger. Do something useful Bill....show us that you feel the pain for the tens of thousands of people in Mayanmar. Get together with Poppy Bush and go on a disaster fundraising mission. (and no fair pocketing any charity funds for Hillary's debt)

Posted by: Joyce | May 7, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

First.. there's people who don't vote in primaries that are waiting to see if Obama can clear this hurdle. The youth vote is likely to surge even higher for the general.

Second.. there's record turn out, several times higher than usual. The republican base is pulling together, but even with Clinton defectors, their numbers are anemic from Bush's spree.

Third.. People who will vote solely on racial lines talk big, but are in short supply. High population areas are more accustomed to positive race relations.

Fourth.. Obama's campaign message crosses into republican territory, bleeding off less than die-hard supporters.

Fifth.. Weeks of Jeremiah Wright only brought up the same tired arguments and clips repeatedly. Public reaction has turned negative towards what seems to be an attempt at politics as usual. If you're willing to support Hillary on her word, but not believe in Obama on his word, you have much deeper issues than you're willing to concede.

Sixth.. Hillary's stab at Obama's electability against McCain, for many of the reasons mentioned above, is absolutely flawed logic based on a snapshot of what was essentially one of the lowest moments of his campaign, I think the country is ready to move on, and his rating will rebound once the true contrast is drawn between him and McCain. We all seek the answer to our common problems, and McCain's proposals are in lock-step with the failed policies that brought us to this critical moment.

Posted by: Generation Hope | May 7, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

elme: You must have a lot of time on your hands.

Posted by: carol diana | May 7, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Gore and Edwards are both for Obama at this point; they haven't endorsed out of respect for Hillary but both have told her privately where they stand.

Posted by: Charlie | May 7, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary were not Billery but a clear thinking, intelligent and thoughtful female with no ties to the nearly unethical antics that their combined pass represents, Obama and her roles would be switched. But, alas, this is not the case and we as a public don't want 4 or 8 more years of the same old political non-sense. She needs to do everything in her power to unite all delegates, super and regular to Put Obama on the ticket and then disappear.

Posted by: candi | May 7, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Hillary should continue through to the convention, but it does appear she won't garner the nomination. Osama -- ooops, I mean Obama -- scares the living bejesus out of me. I think that Osa.....I mean, Obama, is hiding an ace up his sleeve -- and that is Gore. I'm not sure where he fits in, but I'll bet he is knee-deep in Osam....I mean, Obama's camp at the convention (a running mate?).

Posted by: Oregon Stevo | May 7, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Why is everone referring to Barack Obama as African-American? Surely to qualify for African-American both you father and mother must be African-American? He is equal white and African-American. Just curious.

Posted by: Karlin | May 7, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

>>>

Not really. In the CACUS states, where 200-300 people, or less, might show up at the Cacus location ... The VOTES of those few hundreds of people at the cacus locations are IMPUTED to be the Democrat population of the whole state; and they do not, in fact, even have to REPORT the actual number of cacus votes ... AND in many, if not most, cases .... Have Not Reported the # of Votes.

Technicaly speaking, Obama has more popular votes than Clinton. In REALITY, he doesn't. Clinton has more votes from INDIVIDUALS in PRIMARY States whose ACTUAL VOTES were ACTUALLY ... COUNTED.

Posted by: elme | May 7, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey Soda boy

Yeah, what was I thinking...according to you, the die is cast and no one can ever get ahead without a ton of government programs. Sounds like the old Soviet Union to me.

How dare someone who is healthy in their 20's, 30's, or 40's trying to improve their education, lifestyle, or way of life on their own. It is much better to tax everyone making more than 100k at .....let's see....80%...yeah, that sounds about right.

We all know about "The Man". He is the guy who makes more than I do and he must be taxed a lot more than me for his success.

Get real! I was born poor, worked for minimum wage, spent my time in the Army, went to war and got shot at, and I still knew that I could improve myself. It only takes a little bit of internal fortitude. I'm nothing special and I see people do the same thing everyday. They take responsibility for their own actions and expect nothing in return.

Give people a hand-up, not a hand-out.

Posted by: Theodore McAllister | May 7, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

$8.00 a gallon gas under Mccain, just ask any economist. $200. a barrel oil by the end of next year. You can bet on it.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

""That's a Civil (not criminal) case by an individual.

The Rezko case is a Federal Criminal prosecution on charges of extortion, fraud, money laundering, bribery ... Political CORRUPTION.""

Thanks for making the point. Yes, it's a civil case. Did anyone say that it wasn't?
The point was and the post said, Obama is not on trial, he is not mentionED in the Rezko trial. The Clintons are on trial for fraud. . Look it up. Only the facts although they hurt.

Where it says case type, that says FRAUD.

Case Number: BC304174
PETER F PAUL VS WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON

Filing Date: 10/14/2003
Case Type: Fraud (no contract) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending

Future Hearings

05/13/2008 at 08:37 am in department 47 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
OSC RE: CONTEMPT

08/08/2008 at 08:31 am in department 47 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Further Status Conference

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

All these anti Obama posts are a joke. You got racists, the uneducated (a common votee for Clinton), scared republicans and feminists. I am so sorry that a black educated democratic man is going to win the nominee. I am sorry that a undercover Republican in Clinton will lose. (undercover Republican = a democrat who plays dirty politics, uses fear tactics, who is motivated to be undemocratic by hoping the superdelagates vote against the people, who votes for the war, who loves power).

Posted by: Shane | May 7, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

My respect for Hillary grows stronger as she continues to fight for the nomination. Her resilience is nothing short of amazing. This just shows how hard she'll work as President. Keep fighting, Hillary!

Posted by: Michael | May 7, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

If you think you will vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee THEN YOU ARE NOT A DEMOCRAT, PERIOD.

I find it very hard to believe that a DEMOCRAT, after 8 years of REPUBLICAN HELL, would decide 4 more years is just fine. That's why I think most of these idiots saying it are REPUBLICANS.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for clearing that up, JR! LOL

Many moderate Democrats like McCain, he's been well-respected for at least 10 years. Many Democrats are not sold on Obama.

You need to step outside of the cult compound every once in a while and look around.


Posted by: HuckFinn | May 7, 2008 6:43 PM
__________________________________

I'm supposed to be engaging in political discourse with someone who can't correctly identify who posted a comment, and uses "LOL"?

Political decisions should be based upon policy, not upon who you "like". In the case of the Democratic primary, we have the distinct privilege of being presented with two candidates with very similar policies, such that character comes into play. Hillary Clinton has demonstrated a "flexibility" of character and stance that makes me uncomfortable, and for that reason I support Obama but I (like any rational person) understand that they are similar enough in political ideology that either is a vastly better choice than McCain.

And for the record, I think that McCain is probably a great guy, and his service and sacrifices to this country should be profoundly respected -- but his demonstrated weakness on domestic policy coupled with his support of the incredibly irresponsible foreign policy of the current administration means that I cannot, in good conscience, support him as a Presidential candidate.

If you're not mature enough to make your decision based upon the ideas and policies put forth by a candidate, you shouldn't be voting, and frankly, you should get a clue. It shouldn't be the job of a candidate to "sell" you on them, it is the responsibility of EVERY citizen in a democracy to educate themselves so that they can make an informed decision based first upon their ideas and proposals for the future of the country and THEN on their personality.

In other words, any Hillary supporter who is planning to vote McCain seriously needs to grow up and live up to the responsibility that comes with living in a democratic nation.

Posted by: Cizmad | May 7, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Let's say that the super delegates give Hillary their votes and she is thte nominee. Are you seriously thinking that Rove & Company are going to hold back from linking her to everything that Bill Clinton did for the entire 8 yrs, starting with "I didn't inhale" to 'I did not have sexual relations with that woman' to the 'L' word? Bill Clinton still has the habit of saying one thing in public and getting exposed for saying differently in private. How many Independents and Moderate Republicans are going to hold their noses and vote for HRC? She has been competing against Obama who has maintained a policy of not following the kitchen sink strategy Clinton has chosen. And with that strategy look at what the pre-eminent experienced leader has achieved, second place. I'm an independent that used to be a democrat, I'm voting for Obama because he is at least willing to take a chance on telling the truth and suffer the consequences.

Posted by: ccreek | May 7, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, Hillary needs 374 more days to get ready for day one.

Posted by: Suck It Hillary | May 7, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

WRONG WRONG WRONG. of course there are some idiots that are only voting for Barack becuase he's Black..but probably no more than the idiots that are voiting for Hillary becuase she's a woman. Before Bill's ignorant comments in SC, most Black people that I know where planning on voting for Hillary. She LOST the Black vote. Unfortunately, now that the Clinton's have been labeled race-baiters the Black vote is NOT coming back. The Black vote is 15% of the population, but it's 25% of the Democratic party. You can't win the general with a quarter of your base sitting it out.
Personally, I'm voting Democratic regardless. But I am in the small minority. Most people I know simply can't back McCain and refuse to vote for someone they feel won the nomination playing off racist fears (Clinton).
I know it's a hard pill to swallow, but the large Black turnout is more about disgust for Hillary than love for Obama. Truth hurts...but that's reality.
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"Whenever someone in Hillary's camp raise the question about race being a factor in Obama's success they are labeled bigots, racists. What insight over white people do black people have about Obama that drives them to vote over 90% for Obama in numbers far exceeding population averages (15% population to 33% voting). I believe they have united behind their desire to see a black president in office."

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Hillary can be called the mother of the party if she gracefully bows out of the race now. She has fought gallantly and should now use that energy in unifying the demos for a total onslaught on McCain and the Republican candidates in the November GE. 'Yes she can', and the time is now.

Posted by: Martin | May 7, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

No baby, you'll be doing that since you're seemingly to ignorant to even understand the politics here ;-)

Posted by: Bootknocker sucks | May 7, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: HuckFinn

Many moderate Democrats like McCain, he's been well-respected for at least 10 years. Many Democrats are not sold on Obama.

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I'm an Independent. I used to like McCain. But his shift in views and comments this past year or so scare the hell out of me.

He's out of touch with economics (and has admitted this) and seems way too eager to fight even more wars.

We cannot afford more of that type of government.

Posted by: wolf | May 7, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

The people have voted their support for Hillary Clinton. The problem is that MORE people have voted in support of Barack Obama, and Clinton people just won't recognize that unalterable fact. She had it in her hands from the start - the party was lined up in support of her, and she lost it. Obama's message was better, his platform was similar, and he energized the party like nobody before him. He is the better candidate. The popular vote and delegate totals prove it. You can't spin away the fact that Barack Obama has out performed Hillary Clinton, and it's about time that she and her supporters realized that and got down to the business of uniting against the Republicans instead of spewing their sour grapes, blaming the media for their own failures, and promising to derail their party by voting for McCain. Time to grow up, Hillary Fans.

Posted by: Face the cold, hard facts. | May 7, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Here, Kevin, go do your HOMEWORK -BEFORE-you BUY Obama's BIG LIE:

He says he doesn't take money from REGISTERED Federal Lobbyists, but, he DOES take $$$ from the wives, husbands,, uncles.... and employees, of Registered Federal Lobbyists, and, STATE Lobbyists.
just a little ... searching ... turns up plenty of $DETAILS.


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/08/09/pacs_and_lobbyists_aided_obamas_rise/

In Obama's eight years in the Illinois Senate, from 1996 to 2004, almost two-thirds of the money he raised for his campaigns -- $296,000 of $461,000 -- came from PACs, corporate contributions, or unions, according to Illinois Board of Elections records. He tapped financial services firms, real estate developers, healthcare providers, oil companies, and many other corporate interests, the records show.

Obama's US Senate campaign committee, starting with his successful run in 2004, has collected $128,000 from lobbyists and $1.3 million from PACs, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonprofit organization that tracks money in politics. His $1.3 million from PACs represents 8 percent of what he has raised overall. Clinton's Senate committee, by comparison, has raised $3 million from PACs, 4 percent of her total amount raised, the group said.

In addition, Obama's own federal PAC, Hopefund, took in $115,000 from 56 PACs in the 2005-2006 election cycle out of $4.4 million the PAC raised, according to CQ MoneyLine, which collects Federal Election Commission data. Obama then used those PAC contributions -- including thousands from defense contractors, law firms, and the securities and insurance industries -- to build support for his presidential run by making donations to Democratic Party organizations and candidates around the country.

(i.e. Obama doesn't NEED money from OTHER PACS. He's had his own PAC ... to funnel the bribe money to ... other Congresspeople/Superdelegates ... all set to go --- BEFORE he started running for President..i.e.The Big $MONEY guys already GAVE.

Obama's Web site says he doesn't take money from Washington lobbyists or political action committees
How meaningful is this? "

"But in fact neither PACs nor lobbyists give a lot to presidential campaigns. He's not leaving a whole lot of money on the table by eschewing PACs and lobbyists." PAC money represents only about one percent of all the money in a presidential race because, Ritsch says, so many people donate that their contributions dwarf PAC money.

WASHINGTON -- Barack Obama often boasts he is "the only candidate who isn't taking a dime from Washington lobbyists," yet his fundraising team includes 38 members of law firms that were paid $138 million last year to lobby the federal government, records show.

Posted by: elme | May 7, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of whether you support Obama or Clinton, there are certain facts that are true:

1. Obama will be the Democratic party nominee.

2. In November, you can either vote for Obama who opposes the Iraq war and the other failed policies of the Bush Administration, or you can vote for McCain who has vowed to continue them.

Posted by: Garo | May 7, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Dear Lord, those people saying "I will vote McCain now if Hillary is out" just what the hell are you thinking? Seriously anybody, when is the last time anyone heard an Obama supporter say they would vote McCain rather than Hillary? I am sure they are out there but not nearly in the numbers I have seen coming from the Clinton supporters! Why would anyone let themselves be blatantly instrumentalized by these career-oriented narcissists? Wasn't the last 8 years enough example for you? For God's sake, vote for the party you believe in, not the personality!

Posted by: Independantdude | May 7, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Hillary could not watch Bill and Monica. How can she protect the Americans at 3 am? Are you sure she and Bill did not agree to say "He never did it" with Monica....well enough is enough.....judment and character is gone for them let's nominate Obama.

Obama 08

Posted by: George | May 7, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Dirk what gives you the right to state that "people" in North Carolina should not vote? Believe me, those days are over whether you like it or no. Each citizen of voting age is entitled to vote whether naturalized, native born, of any color, race or creed.

Posted by: Andy | May 7, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama/Edwards '08

Posted by: cranberry | May 7, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama can shine shoes in the House.

Posted by: Bootknocker | May 7, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

It's over. Time for Obama to start his general election campaign against McCain and completely ignore HRC. The longer she stays in, the more self-serving and egotistical she will look. If she doesn't quit by next Monday, she can forget my vote in 2012, if it ever comes to that.

Posted by: Dan | May 7, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

It good to see the show of enthusiasm in this election and sad to see all the hate, this is the reality of our times. America is a melting pot of many different metals trying to become an alloy we cannot unless we leave behind the hate. We have a long way to go. I voted for Obama I will vote for Hillary if she is the nominee. The middle class needs help. The republicans have lost there way they no longer represent or care for middle class America. I do not hate republicans work with them every day all voted for Bush few now believe it was the right thing to have done. I will vote for anyone except Bush II McCain.

Posted by: new view | May 7, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

The ones who say they'll vote for McSame if Hillary loses are probably just Republicans anyways.

Rush Limbaugh has sent an army of drooling idiots into major news boards to copy-paste this line over and over.

Fact is, no Democrat would want McSame in power. He will pack the court with right wingers and keep us in Iraq for 100 years.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Just for the record, gas will easily top $8.00 a gallon in 24 months if Mccain gets in office. It is a virtual certainty. It may under Obama as well.

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Billary is a loser, Osamba will lose in a ladslide, McCain will die in office, gas will top $5.00 a gallon, we will never leave Iraq, and will soon start a war with Iran, and out experiment with democracy will go on, all on the backs of the hard working over taxed schmucks like me. I would rather a retard run the counrty, so lets pass an ammendment to let Georgey stay another 4 years.

Posted by: Jerry H | May 7, 2008 6:43 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

i think she should spend all of bill's 100 million. i got a rusted out 82 ford pick up i will give'em to go get their food stamps.

Posted by: don d | May 7, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

To Truth Justice, and the American Way: You're absolutely right.

"If McCain wins, we're happy;
If Obama wins, we'll accept this;
If Hillary wins, we're moving to Canada!"
~From a few Republican corporate attorney's perspective

That being said, Obama's fundamental understanding of what makes America so great is evident in his speeches, his entire campaign, and who he is. Allow him to carry out the ambiguous visions of our founding father's that carried us from killing natives, to enslaving blacks, to rounding up the Japanese, all the way to our present state, where race is finally becoming mainstream in public discourse. We've come a hell of a long way, but have much further to go. Opening lines of communication is a great start. Next, there should be understanding, and finally after the BS, Americans can start tackling some real issues...like those comments 80 million miles away that we can see inside.

Obama 2008! The Ultimate American Way!

Posted by: BO in the House 08! | May 7, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous above said: "t fails me why any working class worker would vote for Clinton..."

Thank goodness someone else is saying that. Considering she ignored our state (NY) and let our economy go to shambles, while she was globe-trotting around the world, I'm glad someone else sees through her attempts at a "working class" image.

Posted by: wolf | May 7, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

why should she drop out when you have the rev. out there floating around maybe ready to reveal obamas plan to do away with the white devils?

Posted by: gunclinger | May 7, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

She's done. Insult to injury, the money she loaned the campaign...all 10M or so will eventually get paid back to her by fundraisers later on.

Years of the Great Clinton Fraud, and making a mockery of the Presidency are almost over.

Posted by: twotraps | May 7, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Kirk come to the real world. Obama won in NC not because he is black because he is the better candidate. As for Hillary he barely won in Indiana so what does that tell you. Hillary I hope you are reading these remarks and really thinking that the next step you take should be to drop out gracefully before you do more damage than you have already done. Stop attacking Obama just because you are losing and grow up

Posted by: smitty | May 7, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Now that this divisive primary is ending (and Obama probably the winner), it is time to set our sights on McSame. Bush has a 28 percent approval rating, and there is no need for Democrats to view the nomination as the end game.

What matters is November, and beating McSame. Hillary is a tough campaigner and it's better to have her on our side, and I'm sure she will work to help Obama.

Posted by: BObamaIn2008 | May 7, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

The ones that say they will vote for Mccain remind me of the people who kill themselves thinking they will show everybody who weren't nice to them. No body cares and the same with these people. Go ahead and vote for Mccain.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jr
Let's just clear something up:

If you are voting for McCain, you're not a Democrat, and you never understood the issues well enough to call yourself one. You do not believe in the principles of the Democratic party
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Thanks for clearing that up, JR! LOL

Many moderate Democrats like McCain, he's been well-respected for at least 10 years. Many Democrats are not sold on Obama.

You need to step outside of the cult compound every once in a while and look around.

Posted by: HuckFinn | May 7, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Billary is a loser, Osamba will lose in a ladslide, McCain will die in office, gas will top $5.00 a gallon, we will never leave Iraq, and will soon start a war with Iran, and out experiment with democracy will go on, all on the backs of the hard working over taxed schmucks like me. I would rather a retard run the counrty, so lets pass an ammendment to let Georgey stay another 4 years.

Posted by: Jerry H | May 7, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

The facts of the matter are that HRC ran a very incompetent and inefficient campaign which was founded in arrogance: I am Bill's wife and I demand that you crown me.

She underestimated BHO, who is a lot smarter than she is.

She is a smart lady, but being the first lady and choosing the official WH dinner china is not experience enough. She is seen as motivated by power. She is not seen as having the best interests of working class Americans in mind. She would have served the interests of the big corporations, like Bill did.

BHO is a person you can trust. You can't say that for HRC.

Posted by: George | May 7, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama leading in Indiana by 7% after Clinton won Penn., but losing by 2% on Tuesday is further proof that Obama can't close the deal.

If the main thrust of the Obama cult is to scream that she should quit so their guy can be ordained as the second coming. well, that's no way to win a nomination.

Let the people vote during the last six contests. No one is clammoring not to vote, except the Obama cult. By the way, his supporters blocked a revote in Florida and Michigan.

If the Democratic Super Delegates (what a lame name for people who want to be considered important) listen to the shout of Obama's pliant media chorus who scream, "It's over ... She can't win" and nominate this guy, they are sending their party down in November. Again. Why? Jeremiah Wright and Obama's elitist attitude toward white working people.

I'm a Dem. I'm voting McCain if Obama is on the top of the ticket, or anywhere on the Democratic ticket. He's not fit to be president or even a heartbeat away from it.

Posted by: PoliticalPuck | May 7, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Why should I want another woman to tell me what to do? I'm already married and my wife does a find job of it. If Hillary was the right person for the job, I would vote for her, And; likewise for Obama. McCain is not much of a better choice either. Whoever is our next president may God be with them.

Posted by: Jimmy | May 7, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

I don't expect Hillary to do any better than her husband did. Don't forget that Bill Clinton won twice without ever getting 50% of the vote. (Thanks, Ross Perot!) Hillary isn't half the leader that Bill was. She is too inflexible, too willing to do anything to be president (including accepting her husband's well documented infidelity) and her stands on issues is almost entirely poll driven. She is an old fashioned, political dinosaur. Her continued attacks on Obama amount to a temper tantrum over his daring to take the presidency away from her. Her actions prove she's only in this for herself, and she won't accept the voice of the people, either in popular vote or delegate count. She is not the best candidate. She isn't even a particularly good politician. If she were, she would have put Obama away months ago on name recognition alone!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

It's over for Clinton, but Obama's troubles are just beginning.

Even ignoring the race-vote issue, there's the problem seen once again with late deciders: in North Carolina, where he took Clinton to the cleaners, voters who decided in the final 3 days split evenly between the candidates. In Indiana, late deciders went 62/38 for Clinton.

And the electoral maps from 2000 and 2004 are not Obama friendly.

Obama's has to avoid public financing and hope he can spend McCain into oblivion, as he's done with Clinton. It might work. But given that he had money to burn against Clinton and has barely managed to defeat her, it won't be a cakewalk.

There was no way the Dems could lose in 2000. But they did.

There was no way the Dems could lose in 2004. But they did.

There is no way the Dems can lose in 2008....

Posted by: WylieD | May 7, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

""For those who want to say Obama cannot win because he is failing to get working class white votes, tell me why Clinton is failing to get any Black vote and how she wins a general election without it?"

It fails me why any working class worker would vote for Clinton, when she sat on the board of Wal-Mart for six years while they were the most union busting company in the country. And now she is blasting China trade while Wal-Mart is and was the largest importer from China in the country.
Was she "sleep-deprived" for that entire six years on the Wal-Mart board.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Someone needs to remind Hillary and the DNC that Rocky was a movie. In real life, the referee would have stopped that fight before someone got seriously hurt.

Its time the superdelegates do the same.

Posted by: Bissron from Stevensville Montana | May 7, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice to think that some of the comments here, made by obvious Clinton supporters, are sentiments made from the agony of defeat.

And I don't believe those who say "I'll hold my nose and vote for McCain". I can't see it. You won't vote for McCain because you don't want to see the 6th term of Ronald Reagan.

Stop being so bitter. Acceptance will set free your rationale

Posted by: El Oso | May 7, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Once again, snarky comments rule the day. It really is tiresome. Is this the way people reason and think? I think these comments are sad and hollow.

Posted by: Buddesatva | May 7, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Even if he loses Obama doesn't need your vote. He is a class act and people like you deserve Mccain so please vote for him.
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"Obama is a loser in the fall if he's at the top of the ticket. This Dem is voting for McCain if Obama is on the top of the ticket. There are more than 30% of Dems who will join me. If only half of us follow through, McCain is going to walk away as President of the United States. "

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Theodore, screw them lazy stupid poor people that can't afford health insurance or a college education who just lost their house in the loan crisis and let's give tax breaks to giant corporations who are raking in record profits, give huge tax loophole to CEO's that make more in a day than I make in a year. While were at it let's spend them poor people's tax $ on a war in the middle east! Them poor people don't need better schools and educations anyways! Man, I've finally seen the light. Let the rich people keep more money so they can buy fancy boats and jewelry. I'm getting it now. Ah, luxery goods, makes the economy so sound...

Posted by: soda jerk, in your backyard | May 7, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

The elite Democratic hierarchy has taken control of our Democratic Party and this nomination process.

The elitists have tried to shove Hillary out of the race as far back as Iowa.

That isn't going to happen. I doubt if Hillary sees herself as a footnote in history to give up on her campaign for the presidency. It just isn't Hillary-like.

I have encouraged Hillary to remain the race through the Democratic Convention. There is nobody that can tell Hillary to quit this race before the nomination process takes place at the convention - except Hillary Clinton, herself.

All the naysayers and people jumping on Obama's bandwagon cannot force Hillary out of this process, much as they have tried.

The Democratic rules say that after the primaries are over, we go to the Convention and if a nominee is not chosen on the first ballot, everyone gets to vote for whomever they please. Nobody is beholden to anyone.

That is what Barack Obama is afraid of - the more he is vetted, the less likely he will be the nominee. He can cry "victim" over and over again, and try to eliminate Hillary from the field, but there are millions upon millions of us who are asking Hillary to stay in the race.

Who is she going to listen to - a hundred elitist Democrat Party officials or the millions upon millions of Americans who support her? gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | May 7, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I doubt if either of the Democratic candidates is electable, and that's too bad. Maybe it is time for a Democrat to be in the White House, but please - couldn't we have someone who would unite the country ... someone we could be proud of? And I'm stunned by Dirk's comments. I thought here in 2008 we had gotten beyond that kind of narrowmindedness.

Posted by: Bunny Handy | May 7, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

>>>> I do know this, Obama is not on trial, the Clintons are, for FRAUD. That's Los Angeles Superior Court case number BC304174.>>>>

That's a Civil (not criminal) case by an individual.

The Rezko case is a Federal Criminal prosecution on charges of extortion, fraud, money laundering, bribery ... Political CORRUPTION.

Posted by: elme | May 7, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

She has gone from inspiring to a sad pathetic case. Reporters say she is the most disliked candidate they have even covered. Reporters hate her and are quick to tell you so.

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If I was Hillary, I wouldn't waste any time conceding the race. The damage she has caused herself and the party is something that she will regret down the road. Never in my 50+ years on this planet have I ever seen anyone freak out so desperately and resort to telling the most unbelievable lies in hopes of winning. I feel sorry for her. I think she was doomed from start by those who managed her campaign and by Bill who let her down again when it mattered most. What matters most at the moment is seeing to it that John Bush McCain doesn't get the opportunity to finish off this country. In the years to come we the people have duty to our country. That is to continue to be relentless in voting out every politician who has cheated the tax payers in anyway shape or form. No More Lies or b.s.

YES WE CAN!
ObamaforUSPresident.com

Posted by: tyler | May 7, 2008 6:34 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is a loser in the fall if he's at the top of the ticket. This Dem is voting for McCain if Obama is on the top of the ticket. There are more than 30% of Dems who will join me. If only half of us follow through, McCain is going to walk away as President of the United States. "
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Let's just clear something up:

If you are voting for McCain, you're not a Democrat, and you never understood the issues well enough to call yourself one. You do not believe in the principles of the Democratic party, and you do not understand the candidates' stands on the issues or their implications. You do not make decisions based on those policies, you make them based on however you feel about whoever you feel it about for whatever reason you feel it; that's not sound political reasoning, it's intellectual laziness and irrational attachment, which is not a platform of either party.

Political affiliation is not based on voting trends, it's based on specific beliefs about the role and obligation of government to serve the people, and the policies that reflect those beliefs. Read up.

Posted by: Cizmad | May 7, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm trying to understand all this animosity towards Obama, let's see, for the most part he has behaved like a gentleman, he struck back at Clinton only when she was making some very negative unfounded comments about him and he had to respond.

He didn't cry
He didn't whine about his press coverage
He didn't try to change the rules of the game

He is intelligent and shows compassion for the working person, I believe we will be in pretty good hands.

I think the people who express their animosity at Obama perhaps just can't stand the idea of a person of color becoming president. So I say, look at the issues, look what he is trying to do for America. Sure he has made some bad decisions about his associations, but McCain's are even worse and I don't have enough time or space to go down Hillary's list.

Come Nov., it will be McCain's turn in the barrel with his bad associations (an unabashed proponent of domestic terrorism name G. Gordon Liddy) and the Rev, Wright story will have already been wrung out like a wet rag.

Posted by: jr | May 7, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

"There's no way I'm voting for Obama. If he was white it wouldn't have even been close. He only won NC because of a bunch of 'people' who don't even deserve to vote. Clinton won real Americans by a huge margin and she is the real nominee.

Posted by: Dirk | May 7, 2008 3:31 PM"

WASHINGTON POST - WHY DO YOU ALLOW THIS RACIST STUFF TO BE POSTED? Read these more carefully before you post them. A bunch of "people" in NC, Dirk??? Really? You mean black people. Nice. Let's see how you feel when Barack Obama gets to the White House. Becuase that's just where he's headed, my friend. What is a "real" American? Anglo like you? Gimme a greak. YOU are what's wrong with this country. Not Senator Obama. Get some help.

Posted by: NLJ | May 7, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I think all HRC backers should stop eating and give the maximum to her (2,300.00) c'mon you people, you beleive in her, donate huge and often, get her out of this mess, don't let her give some of her 109 million to her campaign when you can donate $2,300 legally. Give to the loser and be proud that you lost to a real stubborn loser.

Posted by: quinka | May 7, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

One thing that's worse. Being a stupid Obama that exposed his family to the hate mongering spiritual adviser for 20 years not to mention his numerous unsavory connections.

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You strike me as one that's unfamiliar with not only the experience of a black church, but also a failure to understand that all you've judged him on until now are small out of context sound bytes and a retaliation for having his entire career vilified. You and your ilk are letting your insecurities show through and frankly it's embarrassing.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

If the race is up to superdelegates, then it isn't democratic.

Hanging chad of another sort, Bush to 'Bana

Posted by: Hans | May 7, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

There's no way I'm voting for Obama. If he was white it wouldn't have even been close. He only won NC because of a bunch of 'people' who don't even deserve to vote. Clinton won real Americans by a huge margin and she is the real nominee.

Posted by: Dirk | May 7, 2008 3:31 PM

I am trying so hard to give you the benefit of the doubt and think that you are not saying that blacks do not deserve to vote?? You SERIOUSLY didn't just say that, did you??

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

If I was Hillary, I wouldn't waste any time conceding the race. The damage she has caused herself and the party is something that she will regret down the road. Never in my 50+ years on this planet have I ever seen anyone freak out so desperately and resort to telling the most unbelievable lies in hopes of winning. I feel sorry for her. I think she was doomed from start by those who managed her campaign and by Bill who let her down again when it mattered most. What matters most at the moment is seeing to it that John Bush McCain doesn't get the opportunity to finish off this country. In the years to come we the people have duty to our country. That is to continue to be relentless in voting out every politician who has cheated the tax payers in anyway shape or form. No More Lies or b.s.

YES WE CAN!
ObamaforUSPresident.com

Posted by: tyler | May 7, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

It is a loan with interest. She will keep fund raising and when they fold the tent you can bet her money will come off the top of what is left in the fund. She will repay herself long before she pays all those contractors who have worked for her in the various cities setting up stages and sound systems and so on. A few have already started suing her because they see the writing on the wall. She will empty the pot leave the campaign broke and close it down. So much for her caring about the working man. Most of these guys are just local small business she is stiffing who were stupid enough to trust her. Fortunately, the voters have proven to be smarter. Thank God, can you imagine her as president.


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If Hillary lends her campaign 11 million of her own money? How does she recoup it? By becoming president? If she drops out how does she recoup it. People are going to donate their own money to a rich woman? And Hillary wants to run the economy!
If she recoups it by being president, how is this done? For me either way something does not add up . Clinton cannot add up either the delegates or within her own budget. Can't she just accept she lost the race? Blind persistence in the face of reality. Is that what you want for a president? C'mon!

Posted by: mightycrows | May 7, 2008 5:53 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

In the spirit of Israeli independence week can we please cut the country down the middle and you in the East can have Bush, Clinton, Obama and whatever other Ivy League Oligarch's you can muster. We in Colorado would like to offer you a parting gift of all the nuclear waste you rocket scientists left in the 50's and 60's. You can bury it the Capitol mall.
Hugs and kisses!

Posted by: David Crosby | May 7, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse


Quote: "Lincoln was part black, his mother was from Africa."

Now where did you get that?? And why would you post that?

NANCY HANKS LINCOLN, birth mother of Abraham Lincoln, was born on February 5, 1784, in Hampshire County, (West) Virginia.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

For those who want to say Obama cannot win because he is failing to get working class white votes, tell me why Clinton is failing to get any Black vote and how she wins a general election without it?

Rather than try and slice and dice the American people, white people have a serious test to pass, ask yourself will you be an American and vote for the best candidate who happens to be a Black man, or will you allow fear, and hatred to guide you.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

In the spirit of Israeli independence week can we please cut the country down the middle and you in the East can have Bush, Clinton, Obama and whatever other Ivy League Oligarch's you can muster. We in Colorado would like to offer you a parting gift of all the nuclear waste you rocket scientists left in the 50's and 60's. You can bury it the Capitol mall.
Hugs and kisses!

Posted by: David Crosby | May 7, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama has lied to us in IL and now the nation(just watch all the "outsiders" he surrounds himself with now that the he "won"--yes, he has raised Two hundred million from all the college kids and first timers, right? where does everyone think he got all that $$$$? He is an "outsider??") and the political public is not sophisticated enough to see what is happening.....now we are stuck with him at least until Nov.It would be great to have a black Pres. but he is simply not ready...and the gender issue is put so far back on the burner to make no difference. Younger women who have "not lived long enough" will rue this time......

Posted by: J Peters | May 7, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Hillary versus Barack in the NBA finals.

Half-time: Hillary has been whistled for 5 fouls. Her supporters flood the NBA website: "Basketball is an American game, we can't have the same rules as foreigners, 10 fouls should be allowed before fouling out".

Second-half: The NBA doesn't change the rule but let's Stephanapoulis be the referee, so there are no more fouls on Hillary.

1 minute left in the game, Barack leading 100-82. Hillary: "I scored 10 straight baskets in warm-up. They should also count." Ref: "Barack wasn't guarding you when you made those baskets". Hillary: "He was on the floor, it is not my fault if he made a political decision to not guard me".

Commissioner: "Look basketball has rules and you have to play by them". Hillary: "Barack is winning under these rules but I am obviously the better player, so the rules must go".

Posted by: Syah Qazi | May 7, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Taxes? Raise taxes on the "rich"? Gee-wiz! I already pay out over 40% in taxes each year! I started working back in the 80's at $5 bucks and hour, spent 8 years in the military making less than minimum wage, and finally, after busting my ass, raising a family, going to college at night, and getting ahead I'm considered rich because I make over 100k and must be heavily taxed? Wow! Youes peoples are tripping!

Raising taxes isn't the way to fix our economy. That kind of thinking is beyond stupid and you only hear it from people who don't want to get off their lazy ass and make things happened for themselves. They want to be spoon-fed.

Eliminating deadbeat programs and teaching people how to make a living is the way. Get real!

Posted by: Theodore McAllister | May 7, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I keep hearing how the Democrats have to ignore the wishes and effectively suppress the primary votes of their most loyal voters, the blacks, to keep white voters onside. Why? White voters aren't onside anyway.

GW Bush won the white vote by 58-41 in 2004, the same margin by which he won deep-red Georgia.

Among white men, Bush beat Kerry by 62-37%.

Here's proof:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html

If the Democrats were stupid enough to make this a fight between each party's white supporters, without keeping the blacks onboard, they would be swept right off the electoral map. They would literally lose NY and NJ.

People say: "Oh look, 90% of blacks are voting for Obama, they must be racists." But 90% of Blacks always vote for the Democrat, and Obama is obviously the real Democrat in the race. You just have to look at the McCain man-crush of Hillary's white rightwing supporters to see that.

These Reagan Democrats who are threatening to run off to John McCain were never onboard anyway. They run off to the GOP every time there's an election, they've been doing it for decades. Their threats are empty. You can't take away loyalty that you never gave.

I'm proud to stand with black voters - the only demographic that never, ever fell for the Bush bullshiite.

Posted by: OD | May 7, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

PS: Btw, as far as Clinton supporters judging that "obama is unelectable". I have to question their judgment here, considering they already got it wrong, thinking their own candidate could even win a nomination.

Posted by: wolf | May 7, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Hillary, trailing Obama by 7% after Pennsylvania, makes up 9% in two weeks and beats him in his own back yard.

Why can't Obama close the deal with white working class Democrats and Independents?

Two words: Jeremiah Wright

Obama is a loser in the fall if he's at the top of the ticket. This Dem is voting for McCain if Obama is on the top of the ticket. There are more than 30% of Dems who will join me. If only half of us follow through, McCain is going to walk away as President of the United States.

Posted by: PoliticalPuck | May 7, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Ron Paul '08

Posted by: Jeff | May 7, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

It cracks me up when Clinton and her supporters argue that Obama is unelectable vs. McCain.

She would also need the African American vote in the cities if she won the nomination.

Do Hillary and her supporters honestly think they can steal the nomination from Obama and get enough votes from the cities to win the election?

No way. They are living in a fantasy world.

Posted by: Jerry | May 7, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

what a load.
the fat lady ain't even in the car park yet.
leave hillary to get on with getting on. she's a natural, especially coupled with her husband -- a super fine president, thank you very much. perfect? nope. but a president that history will treat very kindly, methinks.
i am not a minority, i am not under-educated, and i live in canada (until the bush miasma clears).
hillary stands for something we can't wrap our heads around, yet.
promise. she's tough and she'll do the job admirably.

Posted by: jake's mama | May 7, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Bottom of the 9th, 3 outs.. and Hillary is walking to the plate.

Posted by: CharlesF | May 7, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

It really makes me sad to hear Hillary supporters with such hate for Obama. I have read many comments like "I will vote for McCain before Obama."

Are these people nuts. Can you really imagine another George Bush in office!

Posted by: Josh | May 7, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Dan

An excellent piece. It's the endgame. Obama's got the upper hand and he knows it and is taking the high road. If she plays her cards right, they'll both come out looking great and the party and country will benefit. If she plays her cards wrong, he will drive her into the sea and she will be swept into the dustbin of history...but the party will be ok and the country will too.

Obama is a class act. It's wonderful to see how he's successfully transformed Saul Alinsky's community organizing strategy into a principled national political strategy that will create a grassroots, nonideological democratic majority for many years to come. Stunning really. After all, we all want the same things: Safety, good health, some money in the bank, a decent place to live, meaningful work, and a good life for our families.

If Obama is as much of a policy genius as a political genius (and he is the latter, clearly), this country will be very lucky indeed after this very dark period of our history.

The Lord works in mysterious ways. Now...would somebody please pass the gravy! :o)

Peace/L'Shalom

Posted by: MosheAvram | May 7, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

I see postings here for Clinton to suggest that Obama should be VP, that if you vote against Hillary you hate women, that Obama is playing the race card (while it's being used against him), that the media is to blame...

What's with all of the delusions and victim complexes by the Clinton supporters?

Guys - gals, there's no vast conspiracy against your candidate, Hillary. People just don't like your candidate, because she's mean and stupid.

Posted by: wolf | May 7, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't get this "Obama is unelectable" stuff. Hillary has taken states that are considered "Blue" and will favor the Dem on the ticket regardless. Obama has taken the majority of "Red" states that are NEVER gonna vote for a Clinton, but might be tempted - assuming McCain can be effectively portrayed as "Dubya III" - to switch allegiance for the sake of cleaning house, if not a belief in real change. Bush's atrocious approval rating reflects the opinion of millions who cast their vote for him. Obama is poised to capitalize on that. Hillary never can.

Posted by: MikeH0714 | May 7, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's on her way out, Amen!!!!
Say what you want about Obama and the Rev., but the fact of the matter is this. Obama willingly subjected himself to that man's message of racism and hate, and he did it for 2 decades, after which he began to denounce his relationship with Ol JW only after this became a threat to his campaign. Do I think Obama is a racist, no, but I question why a person subjects themselves to that kind of message when it is entirely thier choice. I know this is an old issue, but don't play down the fact the the largest voting block in this country are white males, for this reason, among others, John McCain will be your next president. Personally, I don't believe in any of the three candidates, seriously, is this really the best this country has to offer???????

Posted by: I'm writing my pops in | May 7, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

It is almost LAUGHABLE! Obama supporters now asking why Hillary supporters "HATE" Obama so much OR if we will really vote for McCain? Please reread ALL your own posts over the past 6 months and then answer that question. And READ Obama's OWN books and then answer that question.
Then we have this...
His delegate counts are a joke. They were biased! He always gets more delegates even when SHE wins that state! IT IS CRAZY! Then caucuses! COME ON! We all know they DISENFRANCHISED MANY VOTERS! Then we do not count 2 states at all! Do we now only have 48 states? And if YES, FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN WILL VOTE FOR McCAIN!
And Howard Dean has ruined this Party! RUINED IT!
ANYTHING THE DNC COULD DO TO FORCE OBAMA DOWN DEMOCRATS THROATS, THEY DID! AND WE WILL NEVER FORGET! Howard dean is JEALOUS of the Clinton's and all know it! Bill Clinton supported Kerry instead of Dean, and Dean NEVER got over it.
AND YES, MANY OF US WILL VOTE FOR McCAIN!OBAMA IS AN INEXPERIENCED HYPOCRITE AND WROTE TWO BOOKS FULL OF RACIST AND ANTI-AMERICAN COMMENTS!THEY DO SOUND LIKE WRIGHT! WHAT HAPPENED TO "ALL" AMERICANS? What happened to EQUALITY for all, not just AA's! What about Asians, Hispanics, Whites, and the rest? Obama seems to have a preference to "the son of Africa."! And does not like "his mother's race."

OBAMA HAS THE MATH TO WIN THE PRIMARY, BUT IT IS STILL CLINTON THAT HAS THE MATH TO WIN THE GENERAL ELECTION.
SO THE JOKE IS ON THE FIX IT DNC AND OBAMA AND ALL HIS "MONEY" he has used to BUY Super Delegates, Voters and the Media. HE WILL WIN THE BATTLE BUT LOSE THE WAR!
GOOD JOB, DEMOCRATS! WE LOSE AGAIN! And we will lose in an embarrasing way!

Posted by: CORE DEMOCRAT | May 7, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

To anyone who would vote Republican in the general election because their candidate of choice is not the nominee: you clearly don't have enough grasp of the relevant issues to be voting at all. Obama and Clinton began this campaign with profoundly similar policies (despite Obama's slightly more centrist approach to universal health care), and when this primary campaign is concluded they will STILL be profoundly similar on the issues that matter.

Hillary Clinton is, for all intents and purposes, out of this race. She cannot win by any quantifiable metric, and in the absence of the sort of justification that a measurable advantage would provide, the superdelegates *cannot* overturn the will of the voters and the system set in place without expecting the Democratic party to take an enormous hit in the next SEVERAL elections. Her argument that he is less electable than she is is unsupportable; he is beating her in an election.

Hillary Clinton now has the opportunity to do something phenomenal for the party; if she throws herself into campaigning for Obama she WILL bring the white working class (where he is weak) to him, and I personally think she is a shoe-in (as Obama said so many months ago, she would be on "anyone's short list") to be a high-level cabinet member. A job where command of details and nuance is paramount, where policy can be set and pursued at an individual level far higher than in the senate? That sounds like a PERFECT fit for Hillary.

Take a breath; the race for the nomination is over because it has to be, but Hillary now has another, much more important role to play. I truly believe her participation in Obama's campaign will be the difference between a very close election and an absolute landslide, and she has a chance to go down in history as one of the greatest politicians of her time, and not simply one of the scrappiest.

If she does what's right here, history will remember it.

Posted by: Charlie | May 7, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Hi personaly think is time for american people to focus on their futur president who as more resposibility to pull out america from the recession, and who can defendent the right of american and that persone could by OBAMA or CLINTON so if one of them have a opportunity to leed the country let American people support him or her is not time to Critise ourself by using useless critiques such as coulor or back round thank long live America..... I am french may be my Inglish is not good try to anderstand.

Posted by: Marc | May 7, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

If I wanted to vote for a Republican, I'd vote for McCain.

But, I'm a Democrat. And I only vote for Democrats.

Hillary is not a Democrat.

She's a liar - which means that she's a Republican. By default.

Posted by: Horace Manure | May 7, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

IMPORTANT DECISIONS FOR A DEMOCRAT
The Democrats have to decide which candidate lied the least about their past, who has the most experience out of no experience, who has the least unsavory friends and whether to keep a do nothing Democrat congress with the never before, all time low rating of 11%. And lastly, which Democratic candidate do I choose with no business experience who said they will tinker the economic engines of our country (corporations and other businesses both big and small)...which candidate will do the least amount of damage. Wow, tough choices.

Posted by: ekim | May 7, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Hillary looks like CHUCKY:) after every defeat.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

In reponse to Dirk's post where he is referring to the people who voted for Obama in NC as "a bunch of 'people' who don't deserve to vote."

Well Dirk you are one racist person - maybe you are the one that does not deserve to vote.

Get over it! Obama for President.

Posted by: ob08 | May 7, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

When the chips come down in November - do you think I am more likely vote for Mr. Barack Hussein Obama or Mr. John McCane?

Posted by: Realsit | May 7, 2008 5:39 PM

Who cares if you can't even spell their names? It's obvious you couldn't find your genitals in a fully-lit room with an anatomy chart and a copy of Hustler, much less a voting booth.

Posted by: Dashoak | May 7, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

""Hillary could still be VP. Together they would smackdown McCain. Something to write the campaigns about.""

Not unless Obama was looking over his shoulder all of the time. Worse things have happened with the Clintons. Truly.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is like Lee at Appamattox on the morning of April 9, 1865: she can either surrender and let rebuilding start, or disperse her ragtag supporters into the boondocks to fight on as guerilla insurgents.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Lincoln was part black, his mother was from Africa.

Now that that is out of the way, can we stop being afraid of an african american president?

Obama is the better choice.

Posted by: Truth | May 7, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Onefreakinworld...how can you say Clinton and Character in the same sentence. The Clinton machine killed Ron Brown and Vince Foster.

Posted by: Charles Black | May 7, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Hillary could still be VP. Together they would smackdown McCain. Something to write the campaigns about.

Posted by: Thomas Dark | May 7, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

If Obama is the candidate, I will vote for a 3rd party in November. I've always voted democratic, but I think he'll be a disaster as president. Better than McCain would be, but still a disaster.

Posted by: Cassidy | May 7, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Her own campaign is saying her hope rests with the super delegates now.
Florida/Michigan, and further primaries won't make a difference because there are not enough delegates there and in the primaries that have not voted if she won 100%. Read it and weep.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Okay Hillary supporters, listen up. She has lost. It's over. Now you have two choices:

1. Vote for Obama who has nearly identical policies to Hillary but can sell them better or

2. Vote for McCain and basically continue Bush's legacy of ineptitude, corruption, incompetence, debt and futile war for four more years.

Posted by: David | May 7, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Dear Tonya,
mind telling me how you came to trust a person who sat on the Wal-Mart Board of Directors to represent the little guy rather than a literally self-made embodiment of the American Dream? I'm sorry but ...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Press ahead Hillary!
Obama is in no position to beat McCain in November. Otherwise the "united" Dems be prepared to wait another 4 years presidential cycle.

Posted by: clairvoy | May 7, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I live in Memphis. Here's a news flash. African-Americans can be racists, too. The city here is predominantly black, the leaders are and they are still blaming whites for the mess this city is in. Go figure.....

Posted by: Lisa | May 7, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Hasta la vista baby! Adios!

Posted by: truth1 | May 7, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Attention: All comments that say that if Clinton is not the nominee they will vote for McCain are all actually from ONE overzealous blogger who is trying to rally support for the GOP and McCain. The tactics sure get everybody in a tizzy, don't they? Re-read the comments, look at the language. Propanganda going on here.

Posted by: veil raiser, usa | May 7, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Now that it is all but over, I would have thought you poor Dem's would have figured out that hordes of Republicans have been voting in the Dem primaries against her highness Billary, because no one is going to vote for Osamaba come November. So move on...

Posted by: Jerry H | May 7, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Wow! People that claim they are Democrats that would rather vote for McCain - someone that is polar opposite to the supposed beliefs of Clinton. Someone that will put conservative justices on the Supreme Court; someone that will continue the illegal war in Iraq; someone that will make the tax cuts to the rich permanent and put this country further into debt; someone who has no concern for socialized health care and is in the pockets of the lobbyist.
Why?
Because of spite? I hope that you are able to look your children and grandchildren in the face when you hand them the extreme debt and send them off to McCain's 100 year war. You tell them why you voted for him and say it with pride.
Bloody fools...

Posted by: Phorse | May 7, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

If Obama was not Black, he would have never gotten this far. I simply can't understand why people fall for this guys looks. The US needs a smart, experienced, pitbull in command. If Obama wins, McCain has a chance.

Posted by: Juan | May 7, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Some Hillary supporters think blacks shouldn't have the right to vote. (See Dirk's post above - and I'm sure he isn't the only one, so don't bother saying he's in the minority!) Yet so many of them complain that Obama is racist. It makes no sense. So sorry, but the man is going to win the nomination, and racism and name calling won't change that.

Hillary should stay in the race, but give up her attacks on Obama, putting the focus on her economic plans alone, with the idea of using her influence to have an effect on the Democratic platform. Call off the dogs on Obama, and let the race come down to Democrats vs. Republicans. It might be the only way for her to come out of this with any kind of political future intact. Of course, I don't expect her to end the negative campaigning against Obama. That's all she knows, and he's managed to derail her coronation. By now I'm sure it's personal for her.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Every gracious fighters know that stopping doesn't necessarily mean quiting. By her staying in the race shows she cares more about herself then us.

Posted by: Zeplin | May 7, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Sheesh everybody seems to "know it all" and predict with authority who will win in Nov.

McCain has his share of bad associations including one prominent figure who is an unabashed proponent of domestic terrorism and a convicted felon, and it is not just a tertiary acquaintance like Ayers, these guys have very close ties and I am talking about G. Gordon Liddy. I really think the repugnicans over-played their hand with this reverend Wright, come Nov., if the networks follow their own example, it will be John McCain's turn in the barrel.

Posted by: jr | May 7, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I think I just became a Republican. There should be an intelligence test administered before you can be allowed to vote. Otherwise, its who can make the most people feel good about themselves when the best leaders are usually not popular.

Sway the masses, and then fall out in 4 years when nothing comes from his "Feel Good" campaign. Feel good about yourself and see all legislation fail in Congress and our enemies abroad laughing at us.

Posted by: Dan The Elec. Eng. | May 7, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

What decisions are there to make? She lost her only chances to make up her delegate deficit. The Super Delegates, her ticket to victory since she realized in February that she couldn't win this thing fairly, are breaking his way at a rapid pace. He's now less than 160 delegates away from the nomination, and 30 elected delegates away from a majority in that category.

This is like asking a football team what their options are 14 points down, 10 seconds left and your opponent has the ball. You let them take a knee and shake hands and tell them what a great it was.

She seems to think that this is the Super Bowl and keeps forgetting that Obama is on her team and he has an even bigger game to play.

Posted by: AxelDC | May 7, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is a stupid woman who has stayed with a cheating husband because of her hungry political desires. Do you really want to trust such a person in office?
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One thing that's worse. Being a stupid Obama that exposed his family to the hate mongering spiritual adviser for 20 years not to mention his numerous unsavory connections.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

If the DNC is stupid enough to pick Obama as their candidate, then CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT ON AN INDEPENDENT TICKET! It's not as if she's actually had the support of the Democratic Party anyway, so as far as I'm concerned, she owes them no loyalty. Her first loyalty should be her supporters, another group screwed over by the Democratic Party. I'd rather vote for her as an independent than vote for McCain, but of course, I'll vote for McCain before I'll ever vote for the false messiah Obama. (okay, Obama worshipers, go on with your "racist" comments, despite the well-publicized negatives about Obama that make him completely unfit to be president. If he was lily-white, he'd still be unfit on character alone and if you're honest, you know that.)

Posted by: onefreakinword | May 7, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Democrat.
I'm from NY but I'm with the Army stationed in Korea.
Hilary has already done more to sink the Dems than McCain and Fox News combined.
She is shooting for the Ralph Nader Memorial Trophy and has feelers out to become a spokesman for Diebold.

Posted by: Otto | May 7, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I think Sen. Obama had it right: It's not about him or Sen. Clinton, it's about what is good for the country. To the extent that Sen. Clinton continues the competition out of ego or ambition or to weaken Sen. Obama for the sake of an I told you so, she does the country a disservice. There are worse things that can happen to this country than Sen. Obama winning the primary and loosing the presidency. One of those things is his loosing the presidency BECAUSE of Sen. Clinton. General Lee was no less a hero because of his surrender to Grant and Nixon and Gore's best moments may have been when they put the country ahead of themselves and walked away from a fight.

Posted by: Andy Garcia | May 7, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

My one year old son will grow up in a whole new world. This is truly the "browning" of AMERICA.

Posted by: Charles Black | May 7, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Kip says: "Face it, no president has ever been elected without winning the majority of white men. That is a fact."

No, that is total BS and the exact opposite of the truth. The Democratic Party hasn't won a majority of white men since FDR.

Bill Clinton, in every election, lost not only the white male vote, but the whole white vote.

The Democrats never, never, NEVER win a majority of the white vote.

McCain is absolutely guaranteed to win white men against either Obama or Hillary. Why? Because white American men tend to vote like idiots. 81% of white men supported invading Iraq, compared to 28% of black men.

"So the question I am asking the candidates as a white man is... What are you going to do for me?"

Gee, the traditional way of winning the white male vote is to rattle the sabre a lot and promise to start lots of idiotic wars. Is that what you're asking for?

Hillary would have given you that, but I guess now McCain's your man.

McCain is sure to win the white male vote. He's also going to lose the election. White men overestimate their electoral importance. I'm a white man, by the way.

Posted by: OD | May 7, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse


Hillary ain't done until Obama can't run

... she's still running for president but in the 2012 election. Pathetic, zombie, bi...

... and yo bubba's know it.

Posted by: Master Bubba | May 7, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

""Currently, Hillary has won ALL the BIG STATES which are crucial the the Democrats winning in November. The DNC has made this factor a strong condition for the nominee.""

Sorry, Texas is the biggest state in the lower states and Obama won Texas. Look it up.

Her own campaign admits that even with Florida and Michigan (where Obama wasn't even on the ballot) she could not win in delegates. Look it up.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:19 PM | Report abuse

As much as I don't like HRC, I think it might be beneficial to have her as VP running alongside Obama to ensure the win in November. You never know with these DIEBOLD election machines...

Posted by: DenDub | May 7, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Hillary will be nearly satisfied with getting a position as majority leader, but that will have to do. She needs to begin helping the Obama campaign defeat McCain NOW!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I think the best thing would be for HRC to walk away now and the Dem's should promise her the next Supreme Court vacancy. That's a job big enough for her and her personality and her ambition won't cripple her with a lifetime appointment.

Posted by: T. Douglas | May 7, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

All of you Democrats saying you will vote McCain now instead of Obama, what are you thinking? This is our future we are talking about, nothing less. We have just had arguably the worst 8 years in our country's history and you want to elect the guy who promises to continue in that exact direction?

There is simply no justification for this type of reaction, not Hillary's rhetoric, quotes from Obama's acquaintences, and especially not differences in policies or platforms. I for example would have held my nose and voted for Hillary, although I really do not trust her motives one bit. Please people, let's stop the divisive politics that have poisoned this country, at least among those of us who are supposed to be lon the same side!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

""Old, White, and Female, that's me. Working class, too, and very much looking forward to Obama's inauguration. I've had just about enough blather from the boisterous misinformed people pretending to have 'dirt' on Obama.""

Old, white, and male here. It's Obama all the way. For those who say he can't be elected by the whites. The black percentage of voters in Texas is only 12 percent. The Latinos (26 percent) tend to vote for Clinton. Obama won the most delegates in Texas. That means a lot of whites voted for him. Get over the racial thing, Clinton supporters.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is a stupid woman who has stayed with a cheating husband because of her hungry political desires. Do you really want to trust such a person in office?

Posted by: tornadoready | May 7, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Hang in there Hillary, keep humming the Rocky theme. Just bring up the Snake Oil Salesman's untruthful stories about his past, his gross inexperience, his unsavory connections with the bomber Ayers, highly questionable land deal with his felonious friend Rezco, his 20 year relationship with the hate mongering spiritual adviser who obviously effected his ingrate wife, calling babies just a burden and the damage that an ultra liberal will do to the economic engines of our country.
And don't let the Democrat party disenfranchise your voters in Florida and Michigan or steal your chances by using the Super Delegates who will make sure the Democrats vote the Wright errrrrr right way.
Yes Hillary show the rest of the Democrats that they aren't hypocrites in being outraged about the 2000 election and then steal this election by not counting the Michigan and Florida voters and have waiting in the wings the "Super Delegates" who will make sure the voters don't make the wrong decision.

Posted by: Mike | May 7, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

If the general election were held today, Hillary would have the electoral votes to beat McCain.

Currently, Hillary has won ALL the BIG STATES which are crucial the the Democrats winning in November. The DNC has made this factor a strong condition for the nominee.
In November, Hillary would have 256 votes, and 270 are needed to win. (Florida and Michigan included)

Her count without Florida/Michigan right now is 212. She would be our next President.

Come on Washington Post and DNC... Do the Math!

Posted by: DRPolitics | May 7, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't like the idea of Clinton has senate majority leader at all.

I don't like Reid either as he is too divisive. Webb or Kerry should get the position. They are much more stately. You put HRC as majority leader and that sends the signal "Let's get it on!" to the Republicans. Kerry is Obama's guy and he deserves an upgrade for his support and foresight.

Posted by: WB | May 7, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I WILL DESTROY YOU LIBERALS WHILE YOU SING MY PRAISES!!!!

WORSHIP ME I AM CLINTON!!!!!

Posted by: Hilarious Clinton | May 7, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

She should have made the decision to pull out a couple of months ago when it might have helped the party. She's taking it down with her.

Posted by: Annie | May 7, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Let's hope she remains to primaries' end, and it means her end.

Posted by: Stephen Diamond | May 7, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Hey ya'll - let's stick together, here. I would only like to ask the candidates to be positive and supportive of each other, but even failing that, each has every right to go all the way to the convention - it is a very tight race, after all (I say this even though I support Obama.) They are each speaking to the hopes and fears of a segment of the Dem party, and we all need to realize that either of them is going to be infinitely more responsive to our various and sundry concerns than McCain will. I urge you, each of you, to stay positive and stick together.

Posted by: jenInRedState | May 7, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Just vote against McCain to get this country back into the hands of the people.

Posted by: Westexacan | May 7, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Fact is there is no unity in the Democratic party anymore. There are too many of us Democrats who will NOT vote for Obama no matter what.
I for one, will vote for McCain this fall rather than cast a Obama, I just don't trust the man. He carries himself as if he were better than the rest of us and that sends out bad vibes to me. I just can't believe that he would do anything productive for the "common" person.
So, I feel I'll have to pick the lesser of 2 evils when I vote in November and right now I see that as McCain.

Posted by: Tonya | May 7, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

"I'm sorry - but for those of us who have donated our $2300 to her campaign, I will request that she saty in the race until all the primaries are over. That is what I - and countless others who have spent our money and our time in her campaign - want her to do. She owes us that."

Actually, since she's "loaned" over $11 million to her own campaign, technically it's you that owe Hillary and Bill Clinton. And yes, she's been charging you interest on that loan, too. But, hey, if she wants to keep nickel and diming Chelsea's inheritance away for her own vanity, and to the detriment of the Democratic party, I guess there's nothing anyone can do to stop her.

Posted by: Chris R | May 7, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Ending War Spending would save taxpayers trillions vs 100 year occupation

Posted by: Dem Economics | May 7, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Walmart Shopping List...
Obama: Free toy Inside ( Craker Jack)

John McCain: Handle with Care Fragile

Hillary Cinton: Buy one get one free (Bill)

Make the wise choice .. don't forget to tip the immigrants.

Posted by: daflipkook | May 7, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Kip. Have you seen any of Obama's speechs, man? Obama has said, rather eloquently I might add, that he is going to hook us white brothers up, man! Free hookers every other weekend and on National holdays. Free government subsidized Busch beer to all white guys (malt liquer for the black brothers). Also, Obama has promised all his 'white' homies hot sweet tight brand new rims for their ride! Oh man, ain't that whacked! And to top it off, all the white brothers gonna get 60 inch flat screen hi-def tv's. who you gonna vote for now, man!? No doubt! OBAMA!!!!!!

Posted by: white i'm a white person what are you going to do for me? | May 7, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

You talk what you think, I talk what I know. (I'm conservative) More Americans would vote for a black man than a Clinton.

Posted by: Truth Justice, and the American Way | May 7, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

So the question I am asking the candidates as a white man is... What are you going to do for me? They seem to have made pomises to every minority and to every woman. But not to the people who are going to get them elected. Whats up with that?
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Besides supporting trade and bringing your kin home, maybe the other promises might clear up some of your burden residually. You sound as if minority & women's empowerment would be a threat to you, but I'd think you'd be smart enough to see that better living standards like education, and career opportunities would lead to less burden from your perspective.. There's an intrinsic promise in there for you.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Countdown to Victory
172 to 2025 Obama

488 delegates remain 267 supers 214 elected

thank you NC and IN

go Obama

Posted by: delgate math | May 7, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

""She delivered what she promised"".

Well, let's see, she promised 200,000 new jobs in New York when she was running as the carpetbagger senator. They lost 38,500 jobs.

""Obama, can't beat McCain""
That's not what the average of the polls say today.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by Shining Knight: Who else would be a better knight in shining armor than a guy who has a nobel prize AND an oscar!!!
Out the door, bring in Gore!

Is that a suggestion to get another white man in the race other than McCain?

Posted by: str8talk | May 7, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Old, White, and Female, that's me. Working class, too, and very much looking forward to Obama's inauguration. I've had just about enough blather from the boisterous misinformed people pretending to have 'dirt' on Obama.

Seems the Clinton supporters have a lot in common with suicide bombers - "if it can't be my way, then let's destroy everything out of spite." Scary people, indeed.

Posted by: Marianne | May 7, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Ms Clinton would sacrifice the Democratic party just for the chance to be president.

Posted by: David | May 7, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Any Monty Python fan remembers the famous scene in "The Holy Grail," in which King Arthur and the Crusaders are met by the "Black Knight," who refuses them passage until a fight to the death.

On first contact, the Black Knight's arm is lopped off. "Just a scratch!" screams the Black Knight.

Another arm is lopped off, and the Black Knight commences to kick at King Arthur, screaming "Just a flesh wound...come on you pansy!"

After another exchange, both legs are lopped off, and King Arthur and his men walk past the Black Knight, who now is just a torso and a head, and screaming, "Oh... had enough, eh? Come back and take what's coming to you, you yellow bastards!! Come back here and take what's coming to you! I'll bite your legs off!"

Sound familiar?

It may be easy to confuse this scene with Hillary's seemingly endless foray into futility, and Bush's "down the rabbit hole" views on Iraq. But, the two are alarmingly similar when it comes to either of them admitting to the reality of the world that surrounds them.

For someone who is trying to redefine herself as a "fresh, new, change candidate" while clinging to the notion that her "30 years of experience" do not make her part of the status-quo, her "tenacity" is now starting to border on insanity.

Someone once said that insanity is defined as someone who does the same thing over and over and over again, and expects a different outcome. That could not define Hillary and our current Administration more clearly.

By playing the "gas holiday" game, knowing that it is a horrible idea that will do almost nothing to stem the tide of rising prices and growing signs of recession, Hillary joins the ranks of the President and his ridiculous "economic stimulus plan" that does nothing but make our deficit larger while attempting to boost his record-low approval rating.

This is old school politics at its worse. It is the kind of political thinking that got us into a war that was promised to last "no more than 6 months" and cost "less than 100 million dollars." A war that Hillary supported.

To this day, Bush believes that invading Iraq, before finishing the job in Afghanistan was the right thing to do. He is convinced that history will prove him right.

Today, Hillary believes that if she just stays in the race, even though the race is mathematically over, the good people of the land will come to their senses, override common sense and party rules, and return her to her rightful place on the throne.

This kind of crack-brained stubbornness is the same kind of reasoning that has kept us in Iraq far beyond common sense. It is the same kind of stubbornness that kept us in Vietnam far beyond common sense. It is the same kind of stubbornness that creates chasms of divisiveness over principals, and inactivity in congress.

It is time to stop admiring Hillary for her tenacity, and realize that she has crossed a line. She is no longer gambling with her own money, but instead has decided that the risk is worth betting the family home. It's time for the Democratic Party to remind her who owns the home. It's time for Hillary to go to rehab before the takes the entire kingdom down with her.

When it comes to a lack of common sense, Bush, Hillary and the Black Knight have far too much in common.

Posted by: crankyoldguy | May 7, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse


Baghdad Bob coming in as Hillary's communications man.

Posted by: Tokin | May 7, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

This is an example of how bias the media is towards Clinton. She delivered what she promised! She got a split win and she demonstrated beyond any shadow of the doubt that Obama is a racially-based candidate. He only wins because he gets the 91% vote of the blacks and the young. But we already suffered a loss during P. Tsongas' run with this same group. Since Obama is a racially-baesd candidate, he just can't win against McCain. Clinton also demonstrated that she continues to connect with the rest of Americans. Nominating Obama is to vote for McCain and another 4 years with the republicans.

Posted by: vote4thebest | May 7, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Everybody keeps forgeting that Florida and Michigan new before they moved the dates up that they would loose their deligates. so with that said why does the canidates keep getting blamed for it. Hillary wants them even after she said that they SHOULD not count when they DNC was telling the states what was going to happen if they moved it up. But now that she is behind all of a sudden she thinks she should get them. I belive when i grew up that was called unfair. If you going to change the rules in the middle of the game then go back and have a revote and settle it. if not then stop whinning about it. them states can only blame the elected officials for this not Obama or Hillary. There is also people in both states who will also vote for each canidate so thinking Hillary will win again, you may get surprised. and if both names were on the ballot in the 2 states then the vote would most likely be just as it has been with one person getting 5 or 10 more deligates than the other. Hillary needs way more than that to help her win. Just rember if there is another revote in the 2 states you may not like it again after both of them get about the same amount of votes. BUT HILLARY WANTS to leave it like it is where she only benifits form this. What a Cheat she is..

Posted by: ken | May 7, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

THE DELEGATE BREAKDOWN

Barack Obama: 1,846.5

Hillary Rodham Clinton: 1,696


THAT'S THE MATHS. QED

Posted by: skionx | May 7, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

As many others have pointed out, it doesn't matter whether you believe (because it's only mere speculation now anyway) that Obama cannot win a general. To get to the general election, you have to win the primaries. He's done that. Clinton has not. If she cannot win her own party over, why do you believe she can win a general election where there are mobs of GOP and independent voters who abjectly hate her? Why would her results there be any better - because, although she offers the same ideas as McCain, she does so as a woman? I don't get it.

Posted by: alterego1 | May 7, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

""Now let's watch and see if she has the guts to pull the plug herself. Based on her past self-centered decision making, (especially in Iraq), I seriously doubt she will.""

I doubt it too, someone who is caught in a deliberate lie, not only once, but several times, and then blames it on "mis-speaking", then on being "sleep-deprived" hasn't the common sense to quit while ahead. She feels that she is entitled to the presidency, while half the democrats can't stand her and all of the republicans. Why would she "pull the plug"?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

It is a brilliant idea to contribute to McCain He has a net worth of over one hundred million and wants to make the center piece of his economic plan to give tax relief to corporations. Sounds like someone wants to finance her personal financial downfall.

Posted by: Ron M | May 7, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

six more states to get overwhelming attention from the democrats and international media? what's wrong with that? i believe with this article from months ago that continued campaigning and a brokered convention are the best things for the party. www.straightrecord.com/dems

Posted by: rapswork | May 7, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Such election battle is total waste of time and money. Bush should enact an emergency law so that US presidency can only be transfered or inherited by an immediate family member or next of kin of the current President, as only the supreme family has the secret knowledge and experience how to run a county properly.

Posted by: bill smith | May 7, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Let the DNC dump both and bring in Gore!

Who else would be a better knight in shining armor than a guy who has a nobel prize AND an oscar!!!

Out the door, bring in Gore!

Posted by: Shining Knight | May 7, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

If Obama wins, will you HiLIARy supporters really vote for McBush? Slap yourself if so.

Look, if she had won the nomination, I would've reluctantly voted for her ... but Obama will win, she needs to drop out already for the better of the party AND THE NATION, back Obama ... then we can focus on winning the general.

Posted by: Come on now | May 7, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Why do some Dems and Hillary supporters hate Obama so much??!! I don't get it....

The guy is for higher taxes on the rich, affordable healthcare for everyone and willing to fight for the middle class.

I just don't get you haters!!

Posted by: Jon | May 7, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Having all the advantages she had early this year, I have hard times understanding how she has done so bad in the race. There is something wrong with this lady.

Posted by: jpAcosta | May 7, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has dozens more skeletons in her closet. Just like with the delegate math, her appraisal of electability is just as flawed.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Hey Robert:

Face it, no president has ever been elected without winning the majority of white men. That is a fact. So the question I am asking the candidates as a white man is... What are you going to do for me? They seem to have made pomises to every minority and to every woman. But not to the people who are going to get them elected. Whats up with that?

Posted by: Kip | May 7, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

The only threat there has ever been in this race to Dem party unity has been Obama. I will NEVER forgive Obama or his disgusting supporters for accusing the Clintons of racism, never.

Posted by: Hillary All the Way | May 7, 2008 5:42 PM

Let's see. Bill Clinton said that "Jesse Jackson won South Carolina too" and Hillary said that "African Americans" won Louisiana for Obama. Of course Obama won many "white" states on the same day but no, according to Bill and Hill Obama is nothing more then a "black candidate."

Hillary has implied that Obama "can't win" the general election, even though the Democrats have brought out record numbers of primary voters. Why is that? He's just as educated as Hillary. Both of them are Senators from large states. Both have won votes from all across the country.

Oh right, Hillary and Bill told us before; he's the BLACK CANDIDATE.

Posted by: David | May 7, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

""I hope Obama puts Wright, Ayers and Rezco in his cabinet. It would serve you bozo'a right and give the rest of us a few chuckles.""

Posted by: | May 7, 2008 5:55 PM

You are a real hoot, and a typical Clinton supporter.

The Clintons are on trial for fraud, Obama is not on trial for anything.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

Dirk,
I am not sure what they hell kind of people you are referring to in North Carolina, but that is the most ignorant comment I have heard in years!..How racist. People like you shouldn't be allowed to speak and you are PRIME example why this country remains stagnant and will not move ahead in race relations, cause you've got ignorant people such as DIRK who mess up and intelligent conversation with your idiotic remarks..

Posted by: leah | May 7, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse


This Portland lawyer knew Obama at Harvard Law. She's still a fan.

As a second-year student at Harvard Law School in 1990, Lisa Hay made a bold decision and ran for one of the highest offices the school had to offer: president of the Harvard Law Review.

Taking leadership of the prestigious journal is like a gold star on a young lawyer's résumé. But 18 years ago, Hay had one competitor whose skill at winning over voters was evident even then.

Hay's classmates passed up her and a dozen other candidates, and went on to make a historic decision--choosing 28-year-old Barack Obama as the first black president of the journal since it was founded in 1887.

Hay, who went on to be elected treasurer of the law review, wasn't sore about her loss. She'd known Obama since the start of their freshman year in 1988. Even then, she says, the future Illinois senator and Democratic presidential hopeful was a natural leader.

"You could tell he knew what he stood for," Hay recalls. "Other law students would be posturing, arguing a certain way. He was persuasive because you could tell he really believed what he was saying."

Hay--now 45, one year younger than Obama--is a federal public defender in Portland, representing clients charged with everything from drug distribution to murders on Native American reservations. Originally from Washington, D.C., she's lived here for 10 years.

She hasn't seen Obama since their class of 671 students graduated in 1991. But he left such an impression that she and her husband, Scott Smith, a history professor at Linfield College, have donated about $800 to his presidential campaign.

"I would encourage everyone to vote for him," Hay says. "I think he would be a great president."

After losing the election to Obama, Hay went on to work closely with him at the law journal, occasionally hanging out socially too. She remembers him at Harvard as serious but well-rounded, with a flair for putting people at ease.

She also remembers him hanging out in the journal's break room, where stressed-out editors would occasionally bicker. "He was always the guy who was just talking to people, seeing what they were thinking," she says. "Not necessarily trying to smooth ruffled feathers, but he always seemed to take that role."

Obama went from a law career into politics, but Hay took the opposite path, having gone to Harvard Law after working for Massachusetts Gov. Michael Dukakis' failed 1988 presidential campaign.

Ironically, although Obama defeated Hay for president of the journal, she gave his own political career a decisive boost 14 years later--helping him land a gig as speaker at the 2004 Democratic presidential convention in Boston. That summer Hay was in Boston on business and had lunch with an old friend from the Dukakis campaign, Jack Corrigan. Corrigan was an aide to the presidential campaign of U.S. Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) and helping organize the convention.

Obama, then a U.S. Senate candidate from Illinois with no national presence, was on the list of potential convention speakers. Hay told Corrigan she was impressed with Obama's acceptance speech as president of the Harvard Law Review. Her most striking recollection: how Obama's remarks reached past the audience of law students to black waiters in the dining hall who paused to listen, and later lined up to shake Obama's hand.

Corrigan told Chicago Magazine last year that Hay's recommendation was part of the reason he picked Obama to introduce Kerry, in a rousing speech that put Obama in the national spotlight for the first time.

Watching her old friend on TV now, Hay says he hasn't changed much from his Harvard days. "He's more seasoned," she says. "But he says the same kind of things--the same drive to build people and build communities. That really is what he has always been

Posted by: Helen Macky | May 7, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

aepelbaum - I am a Black Man, a veteran (USMC) and not a racist. If you understood english I did not accuse Obama of being a racist, but of not recognising one when he saw one. I question his judgement.
Frankly I do not believe in any of the major candidates, but when I do decide it will be based on facts and not emotional faith.

Posted by: Andy | May 7, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

It's really shameful to watch Hillary continue to choke on her own vomitus. When is she going to read the hand-writing on the wall that it's over! Maybe, she's hanging in there long enough to recoup the 11 million dollars loan she's given to her "gutty-campaign" machinery. Real Americans have spoken, someone needs to translate the message to her that this is a good time to "QUIT". Hopefully, there might still be some dignity left after all her rancorous campaign!

Posted by: skionx | May 7, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

NEWS FLASH the super delegates will steal the nomination for Hillary ... so no worries ... let the O'Bama folk have their play. We will win the day

Posted by: Crazy like a Fox | May 7, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I have no idea why so many people have trouble recognizing Hillary for who she is. As a New Yorker I would have been flat-out inslulted at her district-shopping and carpet-bagging, but alas she became a NY Senator. And let's be honest here, without the name "Clinton" behind her, (some still wonder why she didn't divorce her husband), she would have ended up as a public defender in Podunk Arkansas rather than a Senator in a state she never really lived in or a presidential contendor fighting against an inspiring, intelligent and self-made embodiment of the "American Dream". What an insulting farce her whole decade-long campaign was. Now it's over, probably forever.

Even clearer was how little chance another "Clinton" would have carrying enough Republican or independant votes in the general election without McCain unexpectedly self-destructing.

Now let's watch and see if she has the guts to pull the plug herself. Based on her past self-centered decision making, (especially in Iraq), I seriously doubt she will.

And, dear jencm,! An excellent post!

Posted by: Markus | May 7, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

zaney8 says "I am a lifelong Democrat who will hold my nose and vote Republican in November."
WHY???
You are a life long Democrat?? And you would vote to keep Bush's policies in place just because your candidate did not win? We don't see posts like this from Edwards people, or others who wanted different candidates. And it isn't as black and white as the press would have you believe. I am white, most of my fiends are white, I am over 50 and I am a woman. I have been campaigning for Obama for over a year, as have many of my friends, my kids, my friends kids...we come in all colors, ages, and walks of life.
It's time for all of us to unite!! Stop the bickering, pull together, and DO something for our country for a change!
Obama 08!

Posted by: sheridan1 | May 7, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Some here are disappointed by the racist remarks above. I am saddened by the horrible butchery of our written language above.

Posted by: Geoff | May 7, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it. There are only 217 delegates left. If Clinton waited for them to give her the victory, she will have to wait for another 4 years. If she wanted to raise-bid and swung her magical wand so she win the majority votes in the rest of the primaries, she will need a mega-financial supporter such as Warren Buffet with unlimited funding. At this time it is very unlikely that Warren Buffet wants to shell-out any dough , needlessly, betting his chips on her. The DNC would most likely not want to face this looming atmosphere nor black cloud hanging over the national convention. They want to devote the energy and resource promoting unity and shining the nominee for the november election. Moreover the dilemma facing the Clinton campaign trying to find the right strategies for her to gain the support of voters in the rest of the primaries, the superdelegates and most of all the financial supporters that she dearly needed.

Posted by: Me, Orange | May 7, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

2008 Top Three Bumper Stickers...

Obama: Free toy inside (Cracker Jack)

John McCain: Handle with Care; FRAGILE

Hillary Clinton: Buy one get one free (Bill)

Posted by: daflipkook | May 7, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

How many more Skeletons is Obama Hiding in his closet? Wright, William Ayers, Rezco? A few to many 'conincidental associations' if you ask me.

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I hope Obama puts Wright, Ayers and Rezco in his cabinet. It would serve you bozo'a right and give the rest of us a few chuckles.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

""How many more Skeletons is Obama Hiding in his closet? Wright, William Ayers, Rezco? A few to many 'conincidental associations' if you ask me.""

I don't know, you asked the question, now for the proof.
I do know this, Obama is not on trial, the Clintons are, for FRAUD. That's Los Angeles Superior Court case number BC304174.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary lends her campaign 11 million of her own money? How does she recoup it? By becoming president? If she drops out how does she recoup it. People are going to donate their own money to a rich woman? And Hillary wants to run the economy!
If she recoups it by being president, how is this done? For me either way something does not add up . Clinton cannot add up either the delegates or within her own budget. Can't she just accept she lost the race? Blind persistence in the face of reality. Is that what you want for a president? C'mon!

Posted by: mightycrows | May 7, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Those that intend to defect to the Republican vote that leave their comments here seem as irrational and foolhardy as Clinton's continued persistence. They insist that Obama has no substance, yet don't bother to research his views beyond what reporters latch onto. Please just make up your mind, your outbursts are often tainted with racial sentiments that only cast your stance in a bad light.

Posted by: Mark | May 7, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

It never ceases to amaze me how history predicates it's successes on it's own divisiveness.

In this case, the media is trying to run the election for the people.

While I don't think that Hillary should stay in the race strategically, because she's just helping McCain beat Obama, it is her right to do so, as she doesn't have so few delegates that her ascension to the brass ring is an impossibility.

Now let's look at the facts:

1) Dirk, take the white sheet off your head and let your inner Grand Wizard shine. That was the most disgusting comment I've ever seen in any political forum on the internet. So what's the fact here?

Racism will always be the invisible elephant until the barrier is broken. Don't think that it isn't in the back of people's heads. Plus, Hillary has been secretly playing to that crowd, because she is a white woman, and he is a black man, and that is where a lot of those fears come from, regardless of how stupid those fears really are.

2) Breaking the race barrier enables people to raise standards and improve the economy. Are African Americans paid less for the same jobs as white people in corporate America? Why don't you ask Adolf Coors how many black managers he's hired over the past twenty years? Suddenly, the companies will have to make corporate payouts to equalize paychecks. And what do people do with sudden raises? They SPEND them.

3)The gas tax flap. Obama is right. Hillary and Mccain's insistence on this ridiculous act is nothing but nonsense. First, Bush will VETO it. He has no interest in letting something like this go through as an outgoing president. Second, It is money laundering, plain and simple. The Chinese will give us money, so that we can cut the gas tax and give the money to Opec while we slice a chunk out of it to keep America driving? This is voodoo math. It isn't even supply side economics. University of Chicago Supply Siders and Ivy League Keynesians agree: This is a STUPID IDEA! You can't run a country with practices that all 50 states consider cooking the books. It undermines the financial security of Americans everywhere, because then corporations can say "Well, the Government did it, so you can't be wrong." Imagine if a bill like that went through before Kenneth Lay became CEO of Enron. He would have WALKED. Scot-free. Because all law is about precedent.

4) The Youth Vote: What is the youth vote really about? What is having a stake in America really about? It's not about this group of people who Obama has mobilized. It's about their children, and their children's children if you really love America. What Obama is doing, and what we should ALL be doing to make this country better, is playing for the long game. For forty years, we've been playing for the short game, and guess what? It doesn't work. The short game doesn't work, because it tells the Youth of America that their vote doesn't matter. And if you think your vote doesn't matter when you're eighteen to twenty, what are you really going to think when you're sixty?

Barack Obama For President in 2008

Play the Long Game

Win for your grandchildren.

Posted by: Balabanto | May 7, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Folks, race is a lie. Let it fade with the middle ages. Proof? The hamburger Bush's war makes of our children is all the same color. Stop clinging to Medieval fantasies. Wake up from history. It's like beagles killing collies because of their fur.

Posted by: Paid Attention in School | May 7, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I just got a call from a Bill Clinton recording coming from 703-637-9323. His voice sounded almost threatening as he asked for money. I hung up, but would have liked to respond, " Hey, you're the one that made $50,000,000 for making speeches. You give her some."

That 18 cents a gallon that his wife keeps promising me won't go very far to keep the Clinton tank off the fumes.

Posted by: Alexis | May 7, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I agree with Greenfun, Obama can't win with out Clinton supporters. I am a Democrat who will be voting for McCain if Obama is the Democrat running in '08. Im not a lemming and don't care if Hillary turns her support to him. And for those HELL bent on to pin the blame on her when others do as I plan and Obama looses the general, don't bother. The reason I wont vote for Obama is I am VERY put off by the things he has said, the things his "ex" pastor has said, My reasons for not voting for him are all to be pinned on his shoulders not hers.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama has the MATH in the Primary!
But Hillary has the MATH in the GENERAL ELECTION!

Which one is MORE important!

Wake up Democrats or we LOSE in November! PERIOD!

Posted by: Dem | May 7, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Andy, I have no slightest doubt that you are White male, other way, you should have noticed that Clintons were and are White Supremacists (especially, female). By the way, Black reverse racism is what is produced by White Supremacists, as the natural reaction to suppression. Obama is no racist, and it is also very obvious.

Posted by: aepelbaum | May 7, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I WILL VOTE FOR HILLARY IN NOVEMBER (wishful thinking)... If I can reach in my pocket and find a dime while she holds on to her millions. Vote McCain!!

Pure Greed ... I am broke while still having 108 million $$$

Posted by: Got to be Crazy | May 7, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

""I suppose it is a good thing, in a way. At least now I know why Republicans have still had control of our government for the last 20 years... complete, blissful ignorance.

And the republicans have far outnumbered the democratic presidents since 1897. No wonder. The democrats can't even agree on one candidate. Senator McCain will be the next president in a shoo-in, and strictly because of the democrats inability to act together.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Barbara in Alexandria wrote: Obama is unelectable. There are only three possible explanations for the Wright incident:

Barbara in Alexandria would have us believe that she knows no one with racial or prejudice views. Clothed in righteousness of high moral authority I implore you to cast your vote for McCain with his pastor Hagee.

Posted by: str8talk | May 7, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

IF I CAN NOT VOTE FOR HILLARY TO BE PRESIDENT THEN I HAVE TO VOTE FOR MCAIN.
NO WAY DO I VOTE FOR OBAMA(NO WAY)!!!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Don't worry about it. You probably aren't bright enough to find your polling station.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Damn folks, some pretty gross errors in your views here:

Obama not counting votes in Florida Michigan? Hillary herself agreed to not count those votes before the Primaries even started. She only changed her mind after the votes mattered to her! Look it up if you don't believe me.

Obama Anti-American? What world are you living in? When is a man who was raised by a single white mother from the State of Kansas not an American? Who lived and worked in the gritty city of Chicago after taking out student loans to pay his way through law school? When his skin is black and he has a funny forgein-sounding name? Geez, can we get more shallow?

And finally, to you who wrote its's sad the "discrimination against women that Obama picks up votes the way he has". Are you crazy? How has Obama caused discrimination against women in this election? Show me one quote by Obama that is discriminatory against women! This has to do about voting for the best person for president, not race or gender. Yikes!

Posted by: Bob, Montana | May 7, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

The only reason the party created superdelegates, is so the party can choose the nominee they think will win in November. No other reason makes sense, and the more we find out about Obama, the more people are drawn away from him to Either Hillary or McCain. That is clear by Hillary's winning streak!

The only primary Obama has won since the whole wright scandal exploded, was in NC and that is primarily because of his 90% support from the large African American community. I believe if that had not come out, Obama would have swept, and this race would be over.

Hillary is hanging on for the sake of the party. She wants us to have a legitimate candidate who can win in November. And she is relying on the Safty system put in place by the Democrat Party to see that it happens that way!

How many more Skeletons is Obama Hiding in his closet? Wright, William Ayers, Rezco? A few to many 'conincidental associations' if you ask me.

Posted by: Jim | May 7, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Previous Comment: by "dirk" - "There's no way I'm voting for Obama. If he was white it wouldn't have even been close. He only won NC because of a bunch of 'people' who don't even deserve to vote. Clinton won real Americans by a huge margin and she is the real nominee."

Honestly what era are you living in? You are a disgusting individual. "Real Americans"? Like whom? Racist bigots such as yourself who have such a small amount of brainpower that they can't see past their own judgmental viewpoints? You are the sort of person that I am ashamed to share a country with. Please, for the sake of all of us, don't ever post on any blog again and just disappear into the folds of some backwater town.

Robert

Posted by: rob on the cob | May 7, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Hillary will stay in because she has nothing to lose. By staying in the race through last night, she effectively killed her "momentum" and with it any opportunity she had to command a high price for leaving, like the VP. Obama doesn't need her as VP, and the longer she stays in the race the more irrelevant she will become, unfortunately. So she's kind of out of options right now, and staying is as good an idea as anything else. She should have left after PA, when she could have grabbed any post (except the Presidency) she wanted. Too late . . .

Posted by: alterego1 | May 7, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Let Hillary stay in. What harm can it do now?

Did you know Mike Huckabee is still officially in the Republican race? Exactly. Once everyone's understood that you've lost, you're harmless.

Letting her stay in will allow her to recoup some of the $11 million she invested, from the donations of her gullible supporters. That will mollify her megalomaniacal temper. She's down to her last $97 million, poor thing.

Hillary NEEDS to keep it going to squeeze that money out of her supporters, so she won't irritate party bigwigs by keeping up the Rove stuff - that would kill the cash cow. She'll be the perfect gentlewoman from here on, I betcha.

Once she's squeezed her supporters dry, she'll call it a day, endorse Obama, and transfer her supporters' donations to her current account to repay her loan to herself.

Then we can adopt an excellent idea being floated by another guy on the WaPo website today: seat all the Mich and Fla delegates at the convention, even seating the Michigan ones according to the one-candidate Soviet-style election Hillary thinks should prevail there.

Hillary can then pretend she stayed in for their sake. Obama will still lead handily in pledged, supers, and popular vote. No-one can claim they've been disenfranchised.

Everyone's a winner. Hillary gets her $11 million back, and Democrats get to vote for Obama, the candidate they chose.

Voila!

Posted by: Kevrobb | May 7, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

the race so far, although a bit longer and disruptive to the party, has been a good experience for Obama. He will come out a better candidate.

Posted by: brian | May 7, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

To all the Obama fanatics...understand one thing. It is not a problem Obama is black. It is because he is as green as grass. The women and middle class or as Obama called them 'typical white people' and 'lunch pail' bitter factory workers are not concerned about 'Party Unity'. We are concerned about having experience and leadership to address the dire state of our Country. Obama has neither. We have had enough of the Bush Lites such as Obama. But then actually Bush had more experience than Obama. He was actually Governor. If not Clinton then McCain has the experience. Might not like every idea he has but by damned he has 'worked' long enough to make decisions.

"Good job Brownie"...oops "Greenie" will be BO's motto.

Maybe Obama will take everyone of you to Church with him just like he did his own children to indoctrinate.

Posted by: Linda | May 7, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"If you have had enough of the failures of the Democrats and their loser. shameless, spinless mentality register Independent and leave this failed and pitiful party. We need a third party in America, the two we have both stink."

Posted by: Hillary All the Way

I'll take "spinless" any day. Bye-bye. And would your third part be the Clueless party?

Posted by: edwcorey | May 7, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Just a few months ago Hillary was the inevitable candidate and now the only thing inevitable is that she will lose to Obama.

If she drops out now AND comes out strongly behind Obama AND brings the party back together she can regain at least some dignity. If she keeps it up I think her Senate seat is in serious jeopardy and she will be remembered as one of the biggest losers in history.

Posted by: David | May 7, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama has won it - time to stop the rhetoric. Don't go away mad, Hillary...just go.

The thought of another Clinton in the White House send shivers up my spine. What is even worse is the thought of Bill running around the White House without a job or supervision. Real scary.

McCain is going to win anyway so it really doesn't matter one way or the other.

God Bless our system!

Go Army!

Posted by: Theodore McAllister | May 7, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Like many others, I once had a great deal of love for the Clinton's which turned to scorn as I saw her kitchen sink strategy unfold during this primary race. However, as the race comes to a close I find myself with a sense of respect for the fighter she is even though that fighter embodies a lot of the old politics I think we as a party and more importantly as a nation need to move away from.

Whether she decides to quit today or lose tomorrow really makes no difference in terms of the nominee, but for the sake of the Clinton legacy, I pray that she takes the high road and exits the race gracefully.

I appreciate the Clintons' dedication and service for this country, but at this pivotal time we need to leaves the divisions behind and embrace the future.

OBAMA 08.

Posted by: Jua in Philly | May 7, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Joe : Obama is not winning because of his policy, you know that. He is getting near 100% votes from the largest democratic voting block for a reason that has nothing to do with policy or his intellect. That is the sad part of it because the guy is good, even though Hillary is better.

Posted by: Sub | May 7, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

More like real stupid

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

""Also, you need to talk about Michigan and Florida, states which Howard Dean has agreed to seat. The decision of how they will be divided will occur on May 31.

Sorry, even her own campaign admits that at the best possible outcome, Michigan/Florida would not be enough. Read up. From today's news:

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign acknowledged this morning that even if all delegates from Michigan and Florida were seated at the Democratic convention, she would not have enough delegates to claim the presidential nomination.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

When a person has their dreams shattered as Clinton did last night, it is usually just being minimally compassionate to give her 48 hours to get her bearings. (She should have known earlier, of course, but almost all human minds lose objectivity when there is so much psychologically at stake.) And, since in this case kindness is good politics, superdelegates will be compassionate group.

Posted by: Phrank | May 7, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse


I didn't go to college. Them kids who go to college are rich elites. All them with college degrees and all are not american. We stupid folk be real americans.

Also them blacks. They be from Africa. How they Americans? What you say? We from Europe?

We from Europe but We build America. So we americans. What you say? Mexicans build now? So they be americans too, so they vote Hillary.

Posted by: Real American | May 7, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

FLORIDA Hillary 3 shares to 1 O'Bama
MICHIGAN Hillary and O'Bama 50/50

Posted by: MadMax | May 7, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

"Here is a solution that allows everyone to take something from the table, which is what it is going to take for the Party to begin the healing process.

A deal should be struck whereby Hillary agrees to withdraw from the race, and Obama agrees to let most of the Florida and Michigan delegations be seated at the convention.

Hillary could then claim a victory of sorts, as making this the "price" of a dignified exit would allow her to say she is putting the Party's prospects in November above her own personal ambitions."

Posted by: A "GRAND BARGAIN" ... FOR DEMOCRATIC VICTORY

And you would trust her to keep her side of the bargain when she reaches the convention, after all her campaign's skullduggery? Man, you are asking for trouble.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Restore Honor, Honesty, Decency and Integrity to the White House and to the Democratic Party ...

Barack Obama, '08!!!

Posted by: martin edwin andersen | May 7, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I must be a naive educated white boy but I had no idea racism was still so prevalent in this country.

Hillary supporters - why so much hate?

Why not unite against McBush?...or would you all rather we spend another 100 years in Iraq, Iran, Syria....everyone else....

Posted by: brian | May 7, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

John, nobody at all should have Mrs. Clinton as VP on the winning ticket, as it is exactly the same, as to sign the own death statement. The woman wants only the presidency. Remember the assassination of McKinley. He was, by the way, notified not to take Roosevelt as his VP, but somehow ignored this warning. Obama is smart and experienced enough by now. He would not make such mistake.

Posted by: aepelbaum | May 7, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

What is interesting here is how politics has become like religion for many people.
People seem to believe or "have faith" that thier candidate is the best. This faith seems to be blind and given without any proof or facts of support.
I particularly like the line by Ms Eddington "I am for Hillary," said (Pat Eddington). "But if Obama is the nominee, you will think I gave birth to him."
This shows the emotional responce to a question which should be solved by non-emotional thinking. The only emotion we should be considering is National pride.
Would anyone think it was OK to do business with a Liar? Would anyone think it was OK to do business with a racist? Is it OK to do business with a person who beleives property lines should not be respected?
Hillary is a Liar (she says she mis-spoke, yea right she mis-spoke just like GW mis-speaks). trust nothing she says because it is all self serving.
Obama is in denial that he associates with racists. He may not be one, but do you trust a guy that does not recognize one when he sees it? What will happen when the Syrians or other hostile government makes a promise to him?
McCain was willing to sell out our borders 2 years ago. Would you leave your home unlocked?
This is basic stuff. Every candidate discussed here is self serving and has gotten thier support from backers who feel almost a religious connection to the cause. If people would truely look at what they want and are willing to PAY for from a government I think we would be looking at a different pool of candidates, rather than these self indulgent snake oil salespeople.

Posted by: Andy | May 7, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

IF I CAN NOT VOTE FOR HILLARY TO BE PRESIDENT THEN I HAVE TO VOTE FOR MCAIN.
NO WAY DO I VOTE FOR OBAMA(NO WAY)!!!!

Posted by: sedsaid | May 7, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Reading some of these posts-- I'm almost ashamed to live in a country so full of bigots and out-and-out ignoramuses. Freedom of speech is a beautiful thing, but, for your own sake, you should really learn to think before you open your mouth.

I suppose it is a good thing, in a way. At least now I know why Republicans have still had control of our government for the last 20 years... complete, blissful ignorance.

Posted by: Henry | May 7, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

The only threat there has ever been in this race to Dem party unity has been Obama. I will NEVER forgive Obama or his disgusting supporters for accusing the Clintons of racism, never. This sleazy move along with Obama sitting idly by and endorsing it is the lowest of the low and every Democrat, especially the highest ranking Dems like Pelosi and Dean should be ashamed of themselves for allowing it! I am LEAVING the Democratic party and Obama, the do nothing Dem hierarchy and Obama's sleaze tactics and relationships with the REAL racist Reverend Wright and low lifes like Tony Rezko are just part of the reason why. As an admirer and staunch supporter of both Hillary and Bill Clinton I will never vote for Obama now. If you have had enough of the failures of the Democrats and their loser. shameless, spinless mentality register Independent and leave this failed and pitiful party. We need a third party in America, the two we have both stink.

Posted by: Hillary All the Way | May 7, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's new hometown claim is that she grew up in West Virginia with her great-grandfather working in the coal mines. She remembers walking to work with him and seeing other hard nosed working americans fullfill the American dream.
Geez how many hometowns will this lady claim?!

Posted by: Doolittle | May 7, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Barbara in Alexandria

Exactly.
He was best friends and long time church member. He knows exactly what type of person Wright is.
No way he deserves or needs to be in the White House.
He supported Wright until it looked bad for him.
Thats loyalty. Not the kind of loyalty the USA needs.

Posted by: nora | May 7, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Obama is neither white nor black. He is a super human.

Posted by: jimjus | May 7, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

HEY JENCM, YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. WHY DID YOU NEW YORKERS VOTE FOR HER IN THE FIRST PLACE. IF SHE WINS ANOTHER TERM IN CONGRESS IT WILL BE YOUR "OWN" FAULT. I DON'T THINK NEW YORKERS ARE STUPID BUT IF YOU GUYS GIVE HER ANOTHER TERM THEN I'M NOT SO SURE.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS TO OFFER HER ANYTHING TO QUIT THE CAMPAIGN. I THINK THEY ARE GIVING HER MORE CREDIT THEN SHE DESERVES. IF ONE PERSON CAN SPLIT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY THEN IT WASN'T MUCH OF A PARTY TO BEGIN WITH. HILARY IS OLD NEWS. HER SLASH & BURN TACTICS DIDN'T WORK. SHE HAS TARNISHED BILL CLINTONS LEGACY, SUCH AS IT WAS, AND HAS ALIENATED THE POWER BROKERS...SHE IS, AS THE NEW YORK TIMES STATED, "TOAST". IT'S TIME THAT SHE AND HER HUSBAND LEAVE THE POLITICAL SCENE ALTOGETHER AS NO ONE WILL EVER TRUST THEM AGAIN. JUST TO MUCH BAGGAGE.

GOOD BY & GOOD RIDDANCE.

Posted by: BOO-HOO | May 7, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

QUOTING: SLC Tortfeasor | May 7, 2008 5:10 PM

Maybe if we made education a higher priority in this country we'd have a higher-quality electorate. Just a thought.>>>>

I am 97% Sure, and 93% sure my test scores in understanding the world, and reading, writing, comprehending English ... are higher than yours.

You comment makes it OBVIOUS that you are not very good at reading, writing, or THINKING for yourself. I did not post a "conspiracy theory". I posted FACTS, and, what theose facts ADD UP To; YOU are evidently, Not Good At ADDING Things UP, wither.

p.s. There's NOTHING "Typical" about the thoughts I posted - they are Entirely ORIGINAL ... they ... originated ... with me --- I did not READ or HEAR them from someonelse.

I ... Gathered up FACTS since last Nov. and ADDED them UP ---- into the ONLY Explanation that FITS all that I've seen (watching back & forth between CNN, MSNBC, FOX, several hours a day, everyday since Nov).

Spare us....any personal attacks, consisting of tired, hackneyed, old regurgitated phrases ... like ...
hours to watch TV everyday ... must be on welfare .... etc. etc. (u know the usula PUKE).


NOW, SLC ... care to POST some PROOF, a link, a counter-Argument ... showing the FACTS I posted to be NO So?

Posted by: elme | May 7, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

HEY JENCM, YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. WHY DID YOU NEW YORKERS VOTE FOR HER IN THE FIRST PLACE. IF SHE WINS ANOTHER TERM IN CONGRESS IT WILL BE YOUR "OWN" FAULT. I DON'T THINK NEW YORKERS ARE STUPID BUT IF YOU GUYS GIVE HER ANOTHER TERM THEN I'M NOT SO SURE.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS TO OFFER HER ANYTHING TO QUIT THE CAMPAIGN. I THINK THEY ARE GIVING HER MORE CREDIT THEN SHE DESERVES. IF ONE PERSON CAN SPLIT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY THEN IT WASN'T MUCH OF A PARTY TO BEGIN WITH. HILARY IS OLD NEWS. HER SLASH & BURN TACTICS DIDN'T WORK. SHE HAS TARNISHED BILL CLINTONS LEGACY, SUCH AS IT WAS, AND HAS ALIENATED THE POWER BROKERS...SHE IS, AS THE NEW YORK TIMES STATED, "TOAST". IT'S TIME THAT SHE AND HER HUSBAND LEAVE THE POLITICAL SCENE ALTOGETHER AS NO ONE WILL EVER TRUST THEM AGAIN. JUST TO MUCH BAGGAGE.

GOOD BY & GOOD RIDDANCE.

Posted by: BOO-HOO | May 7, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Myk:

Your math is flawed. 85% of the population is not white. You are ignoring the Asian, Native American and Latino vote!

Do you math again. I think you would be surprised to see what the results would be then.

Posted by: Soundchazer | May 7, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

im sooooo tired of the political analysts telling me Hillary has to quit; that it's time to go. let's spin it the other way. Obama can't knock her out. it's not who gets the most delegates. its who gets to 2,025. and he is NOT there. and she's less than 200 behind him. damn close. after all the media negativity from the 2000 election i love how the media wants to close this election down when not everyone has voted and when FLORIDA and MICHIGAN have been disqualified. isn't this more scandalous than 2000!.
here's how the long campaing has affected me: i disliked hillary. but the more i've seen of her the more i like her. i would vote for her.

Posted by: JA | May 7, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

~~~Asking her to quit now is UN-AMERICAN. HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT!~~~

Have you read the papers lately?? Buy a vowell and if you have any change left over buy a clue.

Posted by: Patrick | May 7, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

The overall best thing to do is: Obama & Hillary meet and broker a deal. With the circumstances the way there laid out...the ONLY winnable ticket for the Dems is.. Obama Pres. & Hillary as VP. This way the base stays solid and no defectors move to the McCain side.

This helps Obama with someone on the ticket that is strong and has contacts in the beltway. If he is indeed a "uniter" then let's see him silently work out a deal with the Clinton's and move on from here.

Posted by: Kevin | May 7, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

So all this bashing NC is a bit absurd and I take offense to many of the comments made on this page. The people of North Carolina should not be disrespected because of the outcome of the race. We are voters just like the rest of America. I do not agree with the results of the race, but I will not be poked at by upset voters. There are a lot of Hillary supporters where I am from as well as Obama- to each their own. North Carolina is a melting pot state- we aren't a bunch of rednecks. Don't be sterotpical and ignorant- we have to band together as Americans if we want a change made-instead of talking about race and class.

Posted by: NC is not the land of fools | May 7, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

When the chips come down in November - do you think I am more likely vote for Mr. Barack Hussein Obama or Mr. John McCane?

Posted by: Realsit | May 7, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

The media did not pick Obama to win Indiana--no one did. She had been polling really well in Indiana--if anything, it came as a surprise that Obama did so well. The polling had NC much closer than his actual knockout.

People that say they won't vote for Obama if Hillary drops out are emotional, delusional morons who need to go outside and catch some air. Their policies were mostly in line with one another. This is what really counts. If you're focusing on something silly like character or whatever, look no further than the current president. He was the one everyone wanted to "have a beer with". Now they'd rather douse him with it.

Posted by: Joe | May 7, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

It appears that many here don't realize that a good number of Hillary supporters will not back Barack Obama, but will vote for McCain instead.

Obama is unelectable. There are only three possible explanations for the Wright incident: Obama's a racist, he tolerates racism or he is too brain dead to notice that his spiritual advisor of 20 years is a racist.

Regardless of which of the three is true, I don't want a person like that in the White House. So I'm casting my vote for McCain. At least we know he's a person of good moral integrity.

My guess is that there will be a lot of Clinton supporters, and more conservative Democrats, who will do the same thing.

Obama has just ensured a rout for the Democratic party -- once again.

Posted by: Barbara in Alexandria | May 7, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

""She needs to get out before she shreds her own reputatiuon too.""

Too late for that.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

She isn't gonna quit.Tear it up Hillary!
Tear your party into pieces.Go dems.

Posted by: people | May 7, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Also, you need to talk about Michigan and Florida, states which Howard Dean has agreed to seat. The decision of how they will be divided will occur on May 31.

Posted by: Kevin | May 7, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

It is amazing some are so excited about NC primary.

What do you expect when Uncle Wright claims
"You are attacking black chuch"
This is BARELY public call on purpose
"You are not black enough"
For that, Uncle Wright deserves VP spot.

The primary SO FAR LEFT is
"The Emperor''s New Clothes"

Let us wait and laugh at end.

Posted by: jy2008 | May 7, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama would like to see her become the party whip in the Senate. He's hoping she will start whipping somebody else besides him.

But seriously folks. What she has accomplished isn't necessarily admirable or successful. Tom Delay was effective in what he did, till it all caught up with him. She needs to get out before she shreds her own reputatiuon too.

Posted by: Patrick | May 7, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

What are they thinking ... a black man and a white woman in the White House??!!

Are we really ready to move forward from gridlock or "Are we ready for some scandal?"

I just can't see Hillary living in the out house - back house - VP house

Posted by: MadMax | May 7, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is a fighter with millions of American voters still supporting her and her campaign. Asking her to quit now is UN-AMERICAN. HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT!

Posted by: famster | May 7, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by GRACE: OBAMA DIVIDED THE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS BY PLAYING GAMES LIKE NOT COUNTING FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN.

Grace you are showing your ignorance here. Hilary along with all the candidates in the field then agreed in principle to the sanctions imposed on those two states by the party committee. That she chooses not abide by those sanctions now has nothing to do with Obama. You should have your facts str8 before posting and looking stupid.

Posted by: str8talk | May 7, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

In 1980, Ted Kennedy was further behind than Hillary will be, and he still took his bid to the convention. What's good enoough for Ted is good enough for Hillary: Denver or Bust!

Posted by: Jay | May 7, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

There's no way I'm voting for Obama. If he was white it wouldn't have even been close. He only won NC because of a bunch of 'people' who don't even deserve to vote. Clinton won real Americans by a huge margin and she is the real nominee.

Posted by: Dirk | May 7, 2008 3:31 PM

we are real americans here in nc,a lot of us are from the the great state of ny and moved here,AND WE DAMN SURE DESERVE TO VOTE !!! WE THE 'PEOPLE' HAVE SPOKEN. and we decided it for barak.

Posted by: jon mihans | May 7, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

The most important thing for Hillary is to do the opposite of what this article implies, to refocus on the issues and abandon her attack dogs. The party is split because the media leads the Clinton camp into believing media-frenzy based attacks decide politics. The party will not be split by an issues-based debate but if Clinton continues to attack, the superdelegates can and must make the only choice available. They must stop the internal attacks by removing the attacker from the race.

Posted by: nathan | May 7, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

How many Clinton supporters out there would vote for her in November if she ran as an independent? If you would, let her know. I'd rather do that than vote for McCain. But, of course, I'd rather vote for McCain than for the beast Obama.

Posted by: onefreakinword | May 7, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Grace, your a dis-Grace...ya turn-coat!

Posted by: G.W. | May 7, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

"IF Hillary's the "establishment CORPORATE" Candidate .... HOW come she keeps running OUT OF MONEY
..... While Obama's been rolling in CASH the whole time?"

Because 1,500,000 strong have given their hard earned cash to the Obama campaign. That is the real theme of this election - that when the people rise up together as one, there is nothing corporate pawns can do to bend their will. The internet has revolutionized the way campaigns are funded, as first Howard Dean and now Barack Obama are showing everyone. Never again will the Democratic candidate have to suffer the kinds of war chest disadvantages we have faced in the past.

The Clinton's were so successful because they became experts at playing the game according to Republican rules. Dean and Obama have completely rewritten the rulebook.

Posted by: Kevin | May 7, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

John McCain is so old he used to sit behind Jesus in third grade

Posted by: JakeD's Lawyer | May 7, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Most of the votes Hillary got were from republicans. She is a republican candidate not Democratic candidate.

Posted by: robinspp | May 7, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

he does not have the grace to exit this race.
Amazing that anyone still considers her a Democrat.
I certainly don't claim her as one- not after she elevated McCain above Obama- even though he is insane/senile enough to deny every one of his former stands on issues and thinks nothing of destroying the lives of our troops over oil- HIS WORDS. (McCain just this week vowed to work for a new energy policy so that no more of our troops would have to die in a foreign land!)
But does the media report this in a proper manner- as in showing McCain for what he is? no
And Hillary proposes that McCain is preferable to Obama?!
What a joke! This is a Democrat?
She needs to be pushed out NOW!
Because she will not quit gracefully.

Posted by: Patg | May 7, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

It is surprising that even after months of attack from media, WashPo included, so much of backstabbing from DEMs, Clinton still manages to fetch sizable amount of votes. It is also particularly strange to see any community voting more than 90% for a condidate and thus deciding the outcome of polling. I think these pundits really need to take a step back and try to assess the implications of what is happening. I am always proud as an American, irrespective of whether a certain person gets votes or not, but that seems to be not what is expected of us anymore.

Posted by: Subrato | May 7, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

The people spoke! Time for Senator Clinton to start campaigning for Senator Obama. She should recognize that despite a good effort and good proposals, she is no longer a viable candidate. Let's aplaude her effort but ask her to stop acting in a way that distracts from the real oponent.
Senator Clinton, please lend your prestige (and perhaps a little bit of your money) to the actual campaign: hope vs. Senator McCain.

Posted by: Julio Casoy | May 7, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

hillary: sour grapes

Posted by: john | May 7, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

What Hillary should settle for is that somehow the DNC quietly helps her get her campaign finances out of the red in exchange for her dropping out of the race and supporting Obama. But Hillary (who is kind of a Richard III and Eva Peron rolled into one) is interested in nothing but gaining power for its own sake, and so she is probably already looking ahead to 2012, figuring that the last thing she wants is an Obama presidency. So rather than focusing on anything sane and realistic, she's probably already scheming how best to sabotage his chances in November. Let the kids and the Blacks support him and lose, and get that out of their system, by 2012 they'll be back aboard the train. She probably also figures that McCain is too old to be a two-term president, so, all in all, his presidency would suit her just fine.

Posted by: dfs | May 7, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

When was it that Mrs Obama stated she has had little or no respect for America? what is wrong with all of us. Please stand up.

Posted by: Frank Miller | May 7, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

obama can beat mccain, give it up hilary, wait till 2016, if our system is still in tact by then, republicans are trying as hard as they can, and succeeding, to make this a constitutional dictatorship, it is right now, real issues need to be addressed now people

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Patrick NYC, Richard Durbin - US senator from Illinois, Obama associates, and his solid supporter is the first in line for Reid's job. I do not think that anybody would cheat him from this job on behalf of Mrs. Clinton unreasonable pretences. I am also sure that no Obama supporters should ever give even a penny to Mrs. Clinton's campaign, as it would be unreasonable at any essential point of view. She is not the suitable material to make such deals with. She would behave like she did with Michigan and Florida, give her word in writing and then revoke this word at the earliest convenience.

Posted by: aepelbaum | May 7, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Hillary did very well yesterday considering that she she won Indiana she was not supposed to win in the first place. The outcome of North Carolina primaries was obvios from the word go where Obama had a 40% black American vote before the first ballot was cas. Hillary will go all the way to the end. If any damage has been done, it was by Obama's camp, Jerrry Wright and their hidden friends who will rear their heads after inauguration to spite America. Fake renunciations do not cancel life long friendships. Believe it. No angel has come to guide America to paradise. Democratic party will regret any rash decision to end the primaries sooner than it should last.

Posted by: Anyi | May 7, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I think the best thing about Hillary's coming elimination is that it will finally bring an end to these deranged 10,000-word comments by weird Clinton supporters who can't keep their fingers off the Caps Lock key.

You know who I mean. People like "elme" above.

You too, Grace.

Nobody reads your bizarre blurbs, they just creep everybody out.

Posted by: OD | May 7, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

"I am a lifelong Democrat who will hold my nose and vote Republican in November. It is appalling that a man best described as a vaccumous opportunist has made it this far, and Geraldine Ferraro correctly pointed out ONE reason for his messianic assumption into politics. A good thing has come from this--I now know the depth of such as Bill"Judus" Richardson,Claire McCaskell,Nancy Pelosi, Rev.Wright and the hate-filled Michelle Obama. Pathetic."
Posted by: zaney8

You're a liar, a racist, and no Democrat. You are here as a Repiglican in Dem clothes to try to foment discord. Get thee away, Satan.

Posted by: edwcorey | May 7, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

I agree she should be positive from here on out. She absolutely should not withdraw until every state has had a chance to participate. (This is a democracy after all.) She has an obligation to her supporters to see this through to the end. The best gymnasts finish their routine even if a medal is no longer possible.

Secondly, the voters in Michigan and Florida must be seated, or the Democrats will lost both states in November.

Posted by: Rachel | May 7, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

In mathematical assessment term, it is very impossible for her. She needs to realistically reflect herself with the goal of the party unity.

Posted by: Christopher Xaphakdy | May 7, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

"BTW - I'd welcome Obama's withdrawal for the sake of party unity!"

Well, there is a typical Clinton supporter.
I guess you would. And just why, when he is ahead in popular vote, delegates, and super delegates would he resign?? Give it up, her nomination is toast.
Which are you, old, white, female, or under educated? Or all of the above.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

OK, sv reader, I'm laughing over here. Well done.

Posted by: piscivous | May 7, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

At this point Hillary is done as far as the nomination unless Reverend White decides to pull a Kazoo and appear out of the blue, yet again to sabotage Obama(maybe HRC would have enough cash if she didn't have to pay her supporter tons of money to schedule Jeremiah Wright's Tour to the World a couple of weeks ago). Hillary is looking for a juicy position like Speaker of the House or since she's so fond of being a fighter for blue collar works let her be Secretary of Health Human Services and see what her so called Universal Healthcare plan really would do (hopefully not fall flat again this time). If she wasn't so scornful, so diabolical and so untrustworthy with all her tons of baggage a ticket with her and Obama would obliterate McCain and anyone he would bring. I think she brings too much negativity with her and the Republicans are probably saddened more that they won't have her to tee off on. Plus VP is not good enough for her, she'd be trying to show up Obama every chance she got and lords knows Obama would never get anything done with Bill Clinton nosing around in his affairs. I couldn't even see the Obamas and the Clintons even remotely being able to coexist together for four years. However, nobody can question the woman's intensity, the woman's fight, and the woman's determination. She is not bullied or intimidated by anyone or anything and you have to give her that much. I just wouldn't give her a red phone to pick up. Nor make her Secretary of Defense though I would say she'd make a far better one than the current flop the Republicans have out there in Condoleeza Rice. I think Hillary will tone it down the rest of the way. It's Bill she'll have to worry about. He's one of the dirtiest players in the game and if he can remotely cause any kind of scandal that would make voters and superdelegates scare away from Obama this late Bill Clinton would gladly do it for free. Or maybe for a moving van into the White House.

Posted by: 2pacolypse | May 7, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

It's time for Hilary to pick up her pants suits and head on home!

Posted by: George | May 7, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

All of her "Lap-Dog" advisors including her #1 Lap-Dog Gov. from Penn. say one thing in private and then say another thing to her face. They are all scared of her wrath! Ya Cowards !!

Posted by: Dee-TX | May 7, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

CLINTON SUPPORTERS ARE GOING TO CAMPAIGN AND CONTRIBUTE TO MCCAIN !!!

Give me a miracle ... between Hillary & John the amount of money will be like feeding the mutitudes with a few loaves and fish!!

Posted by: MadMax | May 7, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I feel sorry for Hillary despite all the back-stabbing and pandering she's guilty of. IMO, she should be offered a post in Obama's cabinet. If nothing else, it will pacify a few of her supporters.

Posted by: vmunikoti | May 7, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

IRON MY SHIRT!

Posted by: kken | May 7, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

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Hillary's debt: Yet another CLEAR and PRIME example of her inability to manage the economy (sweetie, you can't even manage your finances)...She's already deomonstrated herself to be a horrible strategist. She obviously surrounds herself with the wrong group of advisors...

Unfortunately, though, I've learned you can't rule out a Clinton unless you've a bonafide death certificate signed by the Grim Reaper himself...I swear, you can't kill a Clinton...so, I'm gonna predict that Hillary is in it for the long haul...I'm almost scared to see what will happen if she doesn't win...maybe her head will blow up...who knows...

Posted by: Mia | May 7, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Dirk, Don't go the route the Obama supporters have gone. NC voted by race and we know it. If Hillary were a black woman, what would the outcome be? If Obama wants to win our vote, he would need to connect better. I just can't seem to connect with him and his supporters and they seem to have attitudes like Republicans with disguise on.

Posted by: ken | May 7, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Not surprising you want Hilary to hand the nomination to Obama. After all you are the Wahhabi post. You and Obama' supporters suckle from the same Saudi bosom.

Always trying to hoist Obama, and his anti-American gang on the American people.

Posted by: jake | May 7, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

It is ashame that there is so much discrimination against women that Obama picks up votes the way he has. Oh well America gets what it deserves if he gets in.

Posted by: CLM | May 7, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Hillary... follow my advise. call Obama now . ask him to be his vice president, while is not too late. You both will make history together.

Posted by: John | May 7, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

I am white ... and I feel I have a better chance with a black president than I do with either Hillary or John. I am one of the 60% non college educated with no stable job - trying to find the American Dream.

Posted by: Jake the Fake | May 7, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

IF OBAMA WINS THE NOMINATION CLINTON SUPPORTERS ARE GOING TO CAMPAIGN AND CONTRIBUTE TO MCCAIN.

OBAMA DIVIDED THE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS BY PLAYING GAMES LIKE NOT COUNTING FLORIDA AND MICHIGAN, KENNEDY'S, AND GARY INDIANA DELAYED POLL COUNT.

KEEP FORCING HILLARY TO QUIT AND PLAYING DIRTY POLITICS.

DEMOCRATS ARE ALL CONTRIBUTING AND VOTING FOR MCCAIN IN THE FALL.

KEEP BURNING BRIDGES OBAMA AND YOU WILL NOT GET OUR VOTE. I AM AFRICAN AMERICAN.

OBAMA IS DAMAGING NOT ONLY CLINTON BUT THE VOTERS.

Posted by: GRACE | May 7, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Hillary, stay in!!
If Hillary is definately out, I'd have to vote McCain.
ANYBODY but Obama.
What a sad state of affairs when it comes to this.

Posted by: nora | May 7, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

You have hyped Obama throughout the election, and this is no different. You quit disgracing honest reporting.

Posted by: Kevin | May 7, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

* Ding *
* Dong *
* The witch is dead *

Posted by: wolf | May 7, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I've identified the CORPORATIONS backing Obama: GE, Westinghouse, Excelon Corp. of ILLINOIS, Entergy, 3 Consortiums of other corporations.

AND, Identified their Motive: MONEY from building Nukes. (Thanks to the Cheney Energy Bill).

Assisted by their PROPAGANDA Media: NBC...MSNBC .... CBS ... CNN ... Most of the newspapers and Radio stations all across America (GE & Westinghouse have been pumping $Billions into every form of media for generations --- to advertise their PRODUCTS). BTW, GE is the 2nd largest corporation on the planet.

I've identified the CORPORATIONS backing Obama: GE, Westinghouse, Excelon Corp. of ILLINOIS, Entergy, 3 Consortiums of other corporations.

AND, Identified their Motive: MONEY from building Nukes. (Thanks to the Cheney Energy Bill).

Assisted by their PROPAGANDA Media: NBC...MSNBC .... CBS ... CNN ... Most of the newspapers and Radio stations all across America: (GE & Westinghouse have been pumping $Billions into every form of media for generations --- to advertise their PRODUCTS). BTW, GE is the 2nd largest corporation on the plane

.... & YET YOU ignorant, Uninformed, Sheeple, just go right on .... regurgitating the propaganda --- INSTEAD of dong JUST a LITTLE Reading on the internet to FIND OUT the FACTS for yourself .... AND .... (Gasp!) USE YOUR OWN BRAIN!

You WANT Bush's THIRD TERM----Next----then you go right ahead and Vote for EITHER Obama or McCain, AND that's what you'll get .... thanks to GE ... et al .... the Corporate Power Structure that's in control of America NOW.

SAME MEDIA that SOLD you Bush (Twice). SAME MEDIA that SOLD YOU the Iraq War.
... Shouldn't you be JUST A LITTLE SUSPICIOUS of WHO that SAME MEDIA is PUSHING, NOW! ???

.... Shouldn't you have ... caught a HINT .... by NOW ..... i.e. The Corporate-Controlled MEDIA is PUSHING
Xactly the OPPOSITE of the TRUTH.

You get Bush Admin III .... whether it's wearing its "liberal" Obama FACE, or, its "conservativ e" McCain face
---- YOU ---- will DESERVE it ...... but MILLIONS of innocent American CHILDREN Will NOT.

Oh, P.S. .... you're probably too young to remember that Reagan was GE's product TOO. He was their "public face" advertising spokesman for decades .... before he became GE's "Presidential Product" ...... and then, after that .....
WE got Bush Daddy .... along with a continuation of the ruinous Reagan-omics .... to the SAME point we're at now ::::::: indications & prognostications of ECONOMIC Meltdown .......

That's WHY Clinton was elected, and HE DELIVERED. He REVERSED the Economic slide, and for the First time in 15 years we had a GOOD, Growing, HEALTHY Economy, AND, Government.

Then GE, and their corporate-Controlled MEDIA .... SOLD YOU Bush Twice!

GE/Corporate MEDIA is SELLING you OBAMA .... AND .... McCain.

THINGS that DON"T ADD UP:

If Clinton's the "establishment CORPORATE-Controlled" CANDIDATE ..... HOW COME the MEDIA is SELLING YOU ---- Obama & McCain?

IF Hillary's the "establishment CORPORATE" Candidate .... HOW come she keeps running OUT OF MONEY
..... While Obama's been rolling in CASH the whole time?

Don't YA THINK "the establishment CORPORATE" would be DIRECTING their MEDIA to SELL YOU a Clinton?

Don't YA THINK...THEY...would be Giving her as much CASH as she needed to WIN the election FOR THEM?

Posted by: elme | May 7, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Hillary needs to stay in the race, if for no other reason, to keep Obammy on his toes. I would hate for him to think he has got it in the bag. He may well get the nod from the Dems., but you don't need to hand it to him

Posted by: Reichstag | May 7, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Well I can agree that Hilary proved that she is a fighter but the way she went about it was her down fall. It's up to Hilary to stay in the race until it's over but I think if she taking Huckbees route maybe she should stick to the issue's and stop going negative against Obama. If she really means what she saying about helping reunite the party in Novemeber.

Obama for President

Posted by: Jacie | May 7, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Obama/Gore '08.

Paul.

Posted by: Paul M. | May 7, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Whacko:

Do you really think that the 3 most important questions of this election are all immigration related, and that any of our candidates should spend serious thought on this "manufactured" issue with all of the other real challenges that face this country?

Posted by: Francois_Du_Nord | May 7, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Hillary should leave. Her only reason to stay now, is to help John MCain to win in november.

Posted by: rob | May 7, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Its surpirsing that people are split by race, as obama is half white too. he needs to accentuate that more to bridge the gap.

Posted by: sandy | May 7, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Whenever someone in Hillary's camp raise the question about race being a factor in Obama's success they are labeled bigots, racists. What insight over white people do black people have about Obama that drives them to vote over 90% for Obama in numbers far exceeding population averages (15% population to 33% voting). I believe they have united behind their desire to see a black president in office. Just like in predominantly black cities, like Detroit and Washington, blacks hold most top civil positions - blacks vote for black candidates. That's not racist or bigoted?!
After his surprise success in Iowa we do not know what kind of candidate Obama would make if he was the underdog. What kind of tactics would he implement? From what I've read he, in his past elected positions, has implemented whatever necessary means to secure success.
Republicans and anti-Clintonians are doing plenty of Obama's bashing for him so he has not had to resort to 'hard core politics' and allowing him to maintain a holier-than-thou image. Lest you should forget - Obama is a politician first.
We'll see real character should he win the Democratic candidacy. He will face his first uphill battle with an 85% white population, and 50% republican, who wants to vote for a white candidate as blacks do for a black candidate.
As to Hillary - her civil record is admirable. For those who question her character - if she is the person you claim her to be then I assume you do not see her worthy of her position as a US Senator. Or is it, perhaps; "we just said those things about you to get Obama elected". Her overall record standing for Democratic principles is what Obama only wishes he had.
The period after 9/11; we had a Republican President, Republican majority in both houses, country in a 'patriotic' fervor ushered on by neo-cons. I ask - which self-preserving Democratic candidate would not yield to the storm when facing the 2003-4 elections? It's easy for Obama proclaim what he would not have done as he did not have to face the consequences of opposing the 'war on terrorism' at the time!
Lastly, I don't remember a candidate who has claimed running for 'status quo'. They all claim CHANGE. Bush was 'NOT A WASHINGTON INSIDER'. Bill was the best candidate to implement CHANGE - the establishment would not let him enact any changes.

Posted by: myk | May 7, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

This is the only thing you hear from none Obama supporters/Clinton supporters, "he is not as electalbe as Hilary." Sounds like a needle stuck on a vinyl record, for those who know what a vinyl record is. Unite to keep McCain out of the White House, that's the new focus. We need policies that HELP Americans not hurt them. No third term Bush!

Posted by: CitizenAJ | May 7, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

John McCain want's to be in Iraq for another 100 years... why... cuz he wants to celebrate his 200th birthday then. It his mission, and mission will be accomplished.

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | May 7, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

I am beginning to think that most people want anybody but O'Bama because they do not want to admit publicly how they really feel about race. When they vote ... it rears its ugly head - in their thoughts ... and all the vitriol come gushing out. It is not about O'Bama, McCain or Hillary - it is all about if we can move on beyond race. Hillary is great ... I am thinking that if she was not tied to the past of Bill she might indeed have been the first wo-man to be in the WH. Bill was great ... but he hurt a lot of people in his own party along their path to the WH. Ask Al gore, John Kerry, John Edwards ... and on and on ... Time to move on from the Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton and hope that Chelsia learn anough from this nomination trip to make a go of it in about 2016

Posted by: JakeA | May 7, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Myk,

Ain't gonna happen. Ain't gonna happen. She has lost. It's over...Ain't gonna happen. Go vote republican...traitor.

Posted by: Bubba Who? | May 7, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Vote John McCain... yah, he's the same "Cain" from Cain and Abel.

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | May 7, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm disappointed by the number of patently racist comments here.

Posted by: Not a Racist | May 7, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

The poster named "ELME" makes me want to both LAUGH and CRY. I want to LAUGH because his CONSPIRACY theories are so SILLY. I want to CRY because his thoughts and the WAY HE EXPRESSES THEM are frighteningly TYPICAL of way TOO MANY voters.

Maybe if we made education a higher priority in this country we'd have a higher-quality electorate. Just a thought.

Posted by: SLC Tortfeasor | May 7, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Her pledge to push on reminds me of Robert E. Lee in the early spring of 1865. No matter which way he turned, General Grant had him, and the Army of Northern Virginia surrounded. In this case, Obama's numbers make it impossible for her to win. Hopefully, she'll do as General Lee did, and send a message of surrender to Sen. Obama.

Posted by: Historical Observer | May 7, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Here's the math:
Clinton 8% black 60% white vote
Obama 92% black 40% white vote
-where voters are 33% black 67% white

Translates to:
Hillary 43% ( 3% black, 40% white)
Obama 57% (30% black 27% white)

Now for the general election in November where 15% are black and 85% are white, assuming 0% black 60% white vote for McCain:
McCain 0% black 51% white = 51%
Obama 15% black 34% white = 49%

Obama is not as electable as Hillary is!

I hope Hillary stays in the race to the end! So what if it goes to the convention - makes it all the more interesting. She has the same right as Obama has to stay in the race as long as there is a mathematical possibility she can win. So some of her super-delegates have jumped ship. Who's to say some of Obama's delegates can't leave him!
If the reverse was true - Obama was trailing Hillary with a chance to beat her; his decision to quit for the 'sake of party unity' would be devastating for the supporters who believe in his candidacy. That is how I feel about Hillary.
BTW - I'd welcome Obama's withdrawal for the sake of party unity!

Posted by: myk | May 7, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Vote John McCain. He knows the difference between the first and second Gulf war.... i think?

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | May 7, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

No room left except for the senator's ego.

Posted by: Byeh | May 7, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't John McCain and Methuselah twin brothers?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Dirk...can I trade the R in your name for a c...because that is what you are

Posted by: Bubba Who? | May 7, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

dirk wrote:
"He (Obama) only won NC because of a bunch of 'people' who don't even deserve to vote. Clinton won real Americans by a huge margin and she is the real nominee."

Response:
Dirk; you're a dic%...have a nice day.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

JakeD's Shadow- Actually, Senor McCain got to Aridzona when it was Mexico, and By Golly, he's planning on being there until it is Again!

If he has to get elected to do it!

Hrumph! It's the Christian thing to do!

Or whatever. :-(

Posted by: RAT-The | May 7, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Posted by alee21: I think it's hypocritical to force the Democrats to support a flawed and feeble candidate.

That is a matter of opinion, but this is not about opinion, yours nor mine. It about who will have the number of delegates to clinch the nomination. That is democracy at work. You think Obama is flawed and feeble, but I am willing to bet you voted for Dubya. Can't no more flawed or feeble than that!

Posted by: str8talk | May 7, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton has been mooted as a possible and potent Senate Majority Leader. However, Harry Reid's stand against deterrence by obliteration through threatened massive retaliation better fits the temperament of the Senate than does Clinton's intemperate prescription.

Another option Hillary might consider is the New York governorship. Gov. Patterson (D.) is already showing some weaknesses, especially in upstate New York (from which he speaks of eliminating a western NY development "czar" and collapsing this office with two officers into a sole Manhattan entity). Hillary is strong upstate (and in the City as well).

As Governor of New York, Hillary would be able to showcase and further grow her concerns, knowledge about and passion for domestic matters, especially those conditions impacting women and children. This is where her true strength lies. The presidency appears beyond her reach for this cycle, but another executive role, at which she could excel, would offer valuable experience and provide an opportunity for her to show that she can work with people better than did the health care disaster of the Nineties.

Posted by: FirstMouse | May 7, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

John McCain likes to party like its 1899!

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | May 7, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Deep thoughts by John McCain..... "is the world flat or is it round?!"

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | May 7, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Looking ONLY at states that Democratic Nominee Kerry won in 2004, who is ahead, Clinton or Obama, and how many electoral votes do those states represent? That's what everybody should be looking at to decide on who is more electable. Is there a site that does that?

Posted by: Maurice Mizrahi | May 7, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Vote for John McCain... he was there when Man first discovered fire. The Ice-age couldn't slow him down. He saw the meteor that killed all the dinosaurs. He's not afraid of new technology like the telegraph. Vote McCain... experience matters. I mean centuries of experience.


Posted by: JakeD's shadow | May 7, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

The bigots raise their ugly heads.

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It's downright undemocratic to tell Clinton to drop out when she actually got 48.7% of the total votes (not counting Florida and Michigan). I think it's hypocritical to force the Democrats to support a flawed and feeble candidate who will go on to lose the general election. There is no Affirmative Action regarding the Presidency and no return policies either.

Posted by: alee21 | May 7, 2008 4:59 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

All you haters who say Obama's unelectable: money talks, your BS walks. Obama is odds-on to win the WH and a prohibitive favorite to win the nomination at the sports books (the place where people back up their opinions with money).

Posted by: gbooksdc | May 7, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Tom ... you are so nice ... a gentleman (that is a compliment) ... But in the dirty war of politics you always have to look for "incoming" ... it is a war out there and Hillary knows how to win the political battle but might well lose the war. Familiar ring of expediency.

Posted by: MadMax | May 7, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

It's downright undemocratic to tell Clinton to drop out when she actually got 48.7% of the total votes (not counting Florida and Michigan). I think it's hypocritical to force the Democrats to support a flawed and feeble candidate who will go on to lose the general election. There is no Affirmative Action regarding the Presidency and no return policies either.

Posted by: alee21 | May 7, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

The only way will be to convince a bunch of suckers to send her more money. Lets hope the $2300. you sent her wasn't part of the $100,000 they pissed away on pizza and parties. She miss manager her and campaign and money so bad you should be asking for your money back. Maybe a class action suit is in order.

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I'm sorry - but for those of us who have donated our $2300 to her campaign, I will request that she saty in the race until all the primaries are over. That is what I - and countless others who have spent our money and our time in her campaign - want her to do. She owes us that. And I want to see the true margin of victory when this is over. She will tighten the delgate lead and the popular vote count. I don't think it will be enough to overtake him, but I want to see the true results of her efforts.

Posted by: Christina | May 7, 2008 3:43 PM

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

John McCain's new campaign slogan.... "yes I can, with a little help from Ben-Gay!"

Posted by: JakeD's shadow | May 7, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

"She has to be very positive from this point on." Eddington said.

What Hillary has to do is immeadiately shift from her mode of Clinton winning against Obama to the mode of the Democratic Party winning against %Republicans and take the fight to McCain. It lets her stay in the race until after the primary process ends, lets her take her story to the Democratic Committee's Rules and Bylaws Committee, and lets her be seen as being very realistic and ready to support the Party's nominee against McCain and other Democrats who will be running against Republicans in Congressional races.

This approach should keep the Clinton name on the lips of supporters and demonstrat that she did not let them down by quitting but gave it, and the Party, her best.

Posted by: Tom | May 7, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Hé Hillary !

Shame on you. DStop and go home !

http://allainjulesblog.blogspot.com/

Posted by: allainjules | May 7, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by dirk: He (Obama) only won NC because of a bunch of 'people' who don't even deserve to vote. Clinton won real Americans by a huge margin and she is the real nominee.

So what you are saying is that blacks and the whites who voted for Obama shouldn't be allowed to vote? And who are the real american? Neanderthal rednecks like you?

Posted by: str8talk | May 7, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Thank you, Hillary. Goodbye for now.

Let the contest begin.

Change or more of the same, that is the question.

Posted by: carl lee | May 7, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

She's gone where the goblins go
below
below
below
yo ho
let's open up and sing and ring the bells out

Posted by: Nexter | May 7, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Help Hillary now ... send $$$ or free dirt on O'Bama ... the rev JW is old news ... nevertheless, I am still bitter and holding to my bible ... because we are all hurting while Hillary is in debt to $6.5 million out of a remaining $108 million left in the family. She argues that she and Bill have different accounts.

Posted by: MadMax | May 7, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama cannot win the general election with a base consisting of African Americans and Liberals. He is clearly now the Black candidate. The country is center-right - the only way the Democrats can win over McCain is to nominate Hillary, despite the delegate counts (unless Michgan and Florida delegates get seated per the Jan results). There is so much that is questionable and unsavory about Obama, I am sure more will emerge as time goes on. He will be the latest inheritor of the McGovern-Mondale-Dukakis tradition of winning the nomination and losing the general election.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Race again played a pivotal role in Tuesday's Democratic presidential clashes, as whites in Indiana and North Carolina leaned solidly toward Hillary Rodham Clinton and blacks voted overwhelmingly for Barack Obama, exit polls showed. Half the voters said they were influenced by the focus on Obama's former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Obama, the Illinois senator who is battling to become the first black president, again failed to make an appreciable dent in a crucial voting bloc that has consistently eluded him -- working-class whites.

According to preliminary results from the exit polls, two-thirds of whites in both states who have not completed college were supporting Clinton, which the New York senator can use to fortify her argument that she would be the stronger Democratic candidate in the November general election. Of 28 states that have held primaries in which she and Obama competed before Tuesday, Clinton has prevailed with working-class white voters in 25 of them.

Wright was a looming factor in the voting, with half in each state saying he was important in choosing a candidate. Of that group, seven in 10 in Indiana and six in 10 in North Carolina backed Clinton, including eight in 10 whites. Those discounting him as a factor heavily favored Obama.

Wright has said the U.S. government may have developed the AIDS virus to infect blacks and that the U.S. invited the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Obama has denounced the remarks.

Overall, six in 10 whites in both Indiana and North Carolina were supporting Clinton -- similar to her margin over Obama among whites nationally so far.

Obama's poor performances among working-class whites could prove troubling for him as he attempts to win over top Democratic officials, the superdelegates, who may decide who gets the party's nomination. Clinton has argued that her strength with this group makes her the stronger candidate for the fall campaign. Obama's campaign argues he will do well with those voters in the fall.

Nine in 10 blacks in both states were backing Obama -- a typical margin for him. That proved decisive in North Carolina, where they comprised about a third of voters -- double their proportion in Indiana.

North Carolina was clearly Obama's stronger state, and that showed among many groups of voters. He was leading there among young voters, college graduates and those earning more than $100,000 a year.

Clinton's performance was far stronger in Indiana.

She was making a robust showing there among white men, a group she and Obama have split about evenly but whom she won handily in Pennsylvania and Ohio. She and Obama were about equally dividing the votes in Indiana of whites under age 30 and people earning at least $100,000 a year, groups that usually have leaned toward Obama.

In both states, whites who said race was an important factor were favoring Clinton. Older voters and Catholics -- two other important voting blocs -- also were backing Clinton in Indiana, though the two contenders were splitting Catholics in North Carolina.

Posted by: alee21 | May 7, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Go Obama! Someone hasn't been giving me my Aricept the last five months and my dementia was out of control. What happened? I didn't post anything stupid, did I?

Posted by: sv reader | May 7, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

She'll be lucky to keep her Senate seat. The Democratic Party ahs seen her for who she is, an megalomaniac posing as a Senator. NY will dump her in the next cycle.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Heard that Bill and Hillary breathe politics ... Can we trust them?

Posted by: Hard to Please | May 7, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

end racism now, boycott the rev....

Posted by: way out there | May 7, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Dirk..are you serious with that comment?
I'm thinking that the population of several states won by Mr.Obama consisted of "people" who deserve to vote. As a registered independent voter; I truly hope and believe that our country can move pass this ideological thinking. My students just finished a unit on "diversity" and the importance of patriotism. Maybe you need to come back to 6th grade.

Posted by: Teacher08 | May 7, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

lot of fakes running around these days

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

and over there,


a positive for an obama presidency,

and finally, alas, black america will be held to same tongue in cheek, politically correct discourse, that white america has had to abide by over the last 40 years.

prime example, the rev....no more buddy)


wot

Posted by: way out there | May 7, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I don't really mind if Clinton stays in, but she needs to stop trying to tear down Obama immediately. If she wants to raise some money to pay off her debts, and do a farewell tour of West Virginia, Kentucky, and Oregon, she's welcome to. But no more snuggling up to McCain and ripping into Obama, unless she really is so selfish that she's already looking ahead to a showdown with McCain in 2012.

Posted by: ManUnitdFan | May 7, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

"Clinton loaned her campaign $6.4 million out of her pocket over the past month to try to keep pace with Obama, including $1.4 million in the past week, aides said. It was the second time she has dipped into her personal fortune to fund her presidential bid."

Yeah "personal fortune" that will really help the coal miners to relate to her. Let's see her get her @ss down a mine shaft. She's been shafting Bill for how long now?

Posted by: Sparky | May 7, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

You must be kidding. Hillary does not possess one iota of grace. This is her lifelong ambition here, there is no greater good.

Posted by: gmundenat | May 7, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters, here's the Truth:

You are regurgitating the PROPAGANDA spoon-fed to you by the CORPORATE-Controlled MEDIA. They've been PROCLAIMING Obama the "winner" for months ... but, you can't tAKE AWAY something he doesn't HAVE.

He Doesn't HAVE THE NOMINATION & WHEN the REAL News about Obama gets out ... McCain will be President.

REAL News:

WHY is MSNBC/NBC ----PRO-Obama, Anti-Clinton?

ANSWER: Because Obama is PRO-Nuclear & he voted FOR the Cheney Energy Bill; Clinton is NOT Pro-Nuke & Voted AGAINST the Cheney Energy Bill.

GE owns MSNBC/NBC ... & Thanks to the Cheney Energy Bill is planning to reap BILLIONS in profits (Risk-Free) from building 29 new nukes AND from 30-40 years of HIGHER ELECTRICITY RATES.

Other participants in Cheney's NExt Big MONOPOLY POWER
---ENERGY RIPoff---
Excelon Corp. of ILLINOIS, Westinghouse (Owner of CBS), Entergy (owners of many utilities in the Southern States); 3 consortiums of nuke industry corporations.

McCain voted for the Cheney Energy Bill & has already said on the campaign trail: I have to remember to say ... its absoultely necessary for ...us... to build nuclear power plants.

GE, et al ... Are running Obama AND McCain for President.

If you think nukes are ok... just
GOOGLE: Rocky Flats Denver plutonium, and, Hanford WA nuclear waste.
___________________________________________
OBAMA = NO Experience
His whole campaign is based on ONE BIG LIE:

Obama claims 7 years experience in the Illinois legislature - Working Across the Aisles, Bringing people together to get good CHANGES passed -as exemplified by 26 good bills with his name on them.

A Chicago reporter says all 26 bills were passed in ONE Year and they were NOT Obama's.

http://wweek.com/editorial/3418/10516/

EXCERPTS:
But what's interesting, and almost never discussed, is that he built his entire legislative record in Illinois in a single year.

Republicans controlled the Illinois General Assembly for six years of Obama's seven-year tenure.

Then Emil Jones Jr. (became the Senate Majority leader), He became Obama's kingmaker.

Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.

During his seventh year in the state Senate, Obama ... sponsored a whopping 26 bills including many he now cites in his presidential campaign when attacked as inexperienced.

Working Across the Aisles/
Making CHANGES = ZILCH
Taking Credit for Other People's Work/ INTEGRITY = ZERO
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- - - - -
Still have any doubt this election is about GE Cheney ... "the establishment" ... running Obama AND McCain for President in order to assure themselves of Pulling Off Cheney's NEXt Big Energy RIPOFF?

You think Obama's 20 year "friendship" with the Rev. Wright makes people suspicious of his ... spiritual ... beliefs?

Just Wait until his 20 year "friendship" with Rezko ... shows up on your TV screen - AFTER he gets the nomination, or, AFTER he's OUT of the race:

GOOGLE Info about: The 3 friends who attended engineering school in Illinois: Rezko Alsammarae Auichi:

Auichi (still a billionaire) convicted in a French court of MASSIVE fraud/looting involving ELF a French petroleum company and the UN Oil for Food program. Rezko business partner.

Alsammarae - convicted in an Iraq court (under its current govt) of LOOTING the Iraq ELECTRICITY Grid [while he was Minister of Electricity ...He was Appointed Electricity Minister by the Bush/Cheney ...Coalition Provisional Authority]. Rezko was...allegedly...his partner in LOOTING the electricity grid, and partners in planning to build a power plant in Iraq.

Last week's NEWS from the Rezko trial ... you didn't see on TV:

Federal prosecution witness testified that Obama and his wife DID attend a party at Rezko's home thrown in honor of Auichi.

Obama has previously said: He doesn't recall meeting Auichi.

The MEDIA is NOT asking him this question:

Did you and your wife attend that Party?

Another prosecution witness testified that REZKO told him not to worry about the upcoming trial because the White House was going to fire the prosecutior (Patrick Fitzgerald) - to kill the criminal prosecution of Rezko.

COMMON DENOMINATOR: National and International MONOPOLY POWER
***Energy RIPoffs*** That's a WHOLE LOT of REALLY BIG DIRT the CORRUPT Politicans and their CORRUPT Media are desperately trying to keep covered up. Obama is part and parcel of it.

The Corporate-Controlled MEDIA is SELLING Obama and McCain to assure themselves that the NEXT President WILL: COVERUP PAST Bush/Cheney/Rezko /MASSIVE FRAUDS/LOOTING of IRAQ, and to PULL OFF Cheney's Next Big .... ENERGY RIPOFF.

"Getting off coal to go nuclear is like giving up cigarettes to take up smoking crack".

Posted by: elme | May 7, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait until her fat a$$ is off the TV and the papers. Oh happy days!

Posted by: Yuri Lipitzmeov | May 7, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

PLEEZZEE, Billary Binton, enough already, I can only stand so much self promotion, hawking cackles and toothy beer grins...

Posted by: Joe | May 7, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Then there was blood ... Hillary is like my wife ... she will never give up!!

Posted by: MadMax | May 7, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Dirk, you were allowed to vote and I can tell by your post you are not even close to be considered a human being.

Posted by: Tired of it all | May 7, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Tired of good advice? Try the Clinton earplug. With added fact distorter for absurd optimism

Posted by: JL | May 7, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Obama is going to have a heck of a tough time winning without Clinton supporters. I predict he will lose in the General.

Posted by: greenfun | May 7, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

In the end, what's the difference between these 2 clowns - they're both 2 more far left Socialists that the Dems keep insisting that we love. Either one will lose. What else is new.

Posted by: muskrat | May 7, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Wednesday, May 7, 2008; 12:01 PM

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. -- Former Sen. George McGovern, an early supporter of Hillary Rodham Clinton, urged her to drop out of the Democratic presidential race and endorsed her rival, Barack Obama.

Posted by: MadMax | May 7, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I really think it would benefit the Democratic Party if Sen. Clinton withdrew before the May 31 meeting to seat Florida and Michigan delegates.

It's understandable that given her situation she'd like to change the rules and have their votes count, but it wouldn't be in the best interest of the party. If she really cares who the President is -- if it's not her -- she must avoid losing the White House to the Republicans. I can't accept the notion that Democratic party stalwarts -- hispanics, unions, blue-collars -- would not turn out for the nominee.

As for some of the bigots who've been posting here, I find your attitude repellant.

Posted by: DDS | May 7, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Hillary wouldn't be what she is now if she was not the wife of a former US president. This attached and non- instrinsic prestige does not qualify the lady for US presidency nor even the Senate.
I do not see her any different from any usual housewife in this country.The proper place for this arrogant and presumptuous lady is her kitchen,not the white house.

Posted by: sam | May 7, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Either Hillary Clinton should drop out gracefully forthwith, or it will become painfully obvious that her strategy is practicing character assassination against Barack Obama, so that she can come back and win in 2012 after four disastrous years of McCain.

The American people deserve better. Close ranks and support Barack Obama.

Posted by: oldhonky | May 7, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Huffington Post reports Clinton can read the handwriting: a "senior campaign official and Clinton confidante" won't explicitly say Clinton will withdraw by June 15, but it's the only reasonable conclusion. ""We will have a nominee by June 15." He stressed what a reasonable person Hillary is."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-odonnell/hillary-will-drop-out-by_b_100625.html

Posted by: gbooksdc | May 7, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I like Grand Bargain's idea, but I'd like to see it happen after the last of the primaries. At this point there is no reason to leave anyone out of the decision making, although it would probably be best if both Obama and Clinton put on the kid gloves and left the character assassination to the professionals (the RNC...).

Posted by: scott032 | May 7, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

It gets harder every day to understand why a Democrat would support a candidate who effectively endorsed her Republican opponent, supported a gas tax holiday that opponent had been first to propose, kept moving the goalposts like a Republican president, and also took an apparently insurmountable advantage in name recognition, money, and organization and still ended up needing several miracles to get the nomination. HRC needs to get out of the race before she manages to alienate the Democratic Party by making McCain look like a competitive candidate.

Posted by: Leave Now | May 7, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"GRAND BARGAIN", that's actually a pretty good plan you have there.

The Supers are about to plump en masse for Obama, so it won't change that. And he's too far ahead for it to cost him the pledged delegate lead or the popular vote.

I have to say your idea makes a lot of sense. Everyone's a winner, as you say, and it would drain a lot of the bad feeling.

Posted by: B. Kaufmann | May 7, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

"I am for Hillary," said (Pat Eddington). "But if Obama is the nominee, you will think I gave birth to him."

That is a bloody good line and a damn fine sentiment by Ms Eddington.

Posted by: OD | May 7, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

It is clear, with even Hillary's campaign is coming to the rational conclusion that she cannot win, that uniting the Democratic Party around Barack Obama is imperative.

Here is a solution that allows everyone to take something from the table, which is what it is going to take for the Party to begin the healing process.

A deal should be struck whereby Hillary agrees to withdraw from the race, and Obama agrees to let most of the Florida and Michigan delegations be seated at the convention.

Hillary could then claim a victory of sorts, as making this the "price" of a dignified exit would allow her to say she is putting the Party's prospects in November above her own personal ambitions.

It would also help the Democrats win those two states in the general election.

It requires noblesse oblige from both sides.

Obama clearly has it.

And if Hillary takes the deal, it would do a lot for her to begin restoring a family legacy that this ugly campaign, and especially Bill Clinton's role in it, has so tarnished.

Posted by: A "GRAND BARGAIN" ... FOR DEMOCRATIC VICTORY | May 7, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

So what is news? The "facts" and reality outlined today by the MSM are the same ones they've been trying avoid by pumping up the conflict--just to have a race! Some blood.

Never mind you were stomping on a person's private and public integrity to keep the Wright episode alive as a gigantic last-minute banana peel so that Clinton would keep the match alive.

Dan Balz and Howard Kurtz, you are fine guys and better than average journalists. But you too are big time suckers for the horse race to the detriment of covering "America". If flag pins are so important to you why don't YOU care about the fate of facts, of truth, and America's future?

Posted by: walden | May 7, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Dan: did you see Bill Clinton last night at the victory rally in Indiana? He was Lobster Red! He was pumping rage adrenalin and one could only imagine that he was the cause of the late start for the talk. Notwithstanding, can anyone explain to me how the expired Clinton couple rationalizes their sense that Hillary would be the better choice against Senator McCain when they have managed to mishandle their Primary effort. They are so completely lost in their own perception of reality and their complete inability to understand that they have been beaten baldly is incomprehensible. It is a unique neurosis to suspend reality in front of millions of people and expect everyone else to jump into the fantasy. Can you imagine the many people who sent money to her campaign in hopes of and expecting a professional effort (to overcome her negatives) but instead employed a strategy of making her feared and ruthless? Smart people you think? Maybe now they might stop beating the dead horse (Clinton campaign) and work on her negatives.

Posted by: terrt | May 7, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

"No one will try to force Sen.Clinton out of the race". This is exactly what the pundits are now trying to do! Every since the media stopped reporting and starting starring in their own news, this has been happening. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS.
I am a lifelong Democrat who will hold my nose and vote Republican in November. It is appalling that a man best described as a vaccumous opportunist has made it this far, and Geraldine Ferraro correctly pointed out ONE reason for his messianic assumption into politics. A good thing has come from this--I now know the depth of such as Bill"Judus" Richardson,Claire McCaskell,Nancy Pelosi, Rev.Wright and the hate-filled Michelle Obama. Pathetic.

Posted by: zaney8 | May 7, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Come on, Hillary, give it up while there's still a chance for some pride, still a chance for some unity. Your obstinance is looking like mental illness; damn the torpedoes, win at all costs, that's if were NOT on the same side. What you've been doing is driving a wedge further into the hearts of many of us who want this election to be the necessary fix for our country.
Now is the time for healing and putting our Party back together, again.

Posted by: David N | May 7, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

ben:

I think it is funny, indeed, that the FAKE Jake probably is a Democrat ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Obama was expected to win in North Carolina ( gee a southern state with high AA population -what a surprise)

If she leaves she should just suspend the race after the rest of the primaries. She should stay in for the other primaries.

Hillary don't support Obama whatever you do. This was too too poisonous for many democrats.

The TV commentary is resonating with your supporters.

Posted by: JohnAdams1 | May 7, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

McGovern? Who the hell is he? What a joke.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 7, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

This is who is deciding our nominee. Rest my case:

...well, ANY hole really ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 3:33 PM

I had a very sensual dream last night involving Hillary DIANE Clinton and, in it, I promised her my vote after she finished having her way with me (I MUST admit my rear end hurts even though it was a dream - I think). Now I cannot see myself voting otherwise! ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 3:36 PM

Can the decent folk here report HIM?

Posted by: ben | May 7, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

There is no way out for Hillary. She has no chance of beating Obama, but getting out now - when the race looks no different than it did months ago - would leave her legacy tarnished, her supporters dismayed, and the party bruised. I believe Wolfson when he says that there are "no discussions" about HRC dropping out. She's in it until 6/3.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | May 7, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey Dirk. What type of "people" are you referring to? And why do they not deserve to vote?

Posted by: Disgusted by Dirk and what he stands for | May 7, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I put the chances of Obama being elected president at 0.1%. This all would be extremely humorous for me if not for the fact that that means President McCain.

If any Hillary supporters want to help others see why he's almost unelectable, go to Obama's appearances, ask him these questions, and then upload his responses to Youtube:

http://nomoreblather.com/obama-questions

Obama hasn't been asked any real questions so far, aside perhaps from the Rezko questions that left him flustered. In the general election he's not going to get off so easy. So, Dems should ask themselves whether they want him to be asked real questions now, or whether they want to wait until it's too late to choose someone else.

Posted by: LonewackoDotCom | May 7, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Here's what Obama should do. Let her run herself into such a financial hole she'll be begging to get out and while she's running just have Obama's superdelegates get Hillary's delegates to defect. If enough super's are peeled away she'll see the light.

She's staying in to get something out of it. She deserves nothing but a swift kickin the pants.

He shouldn't give her a dime or position. She'll just abuse it. Let her burn.

Posted by: Avant Strangel | May 7, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

HILL NO!
PLEASE JUST GO!

Posted by: Madeleine | May 7, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Dirk, you don't think black people should be allowed to vote? Go back to the 1800s where you belong, klantard.

Posted by: Steve Charb | May 7, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry - but for those of us who have donated our $2300 to her campaign, I will request that she saty in the race until all the primaries are over. That is what I - and countless others who have spent our money and our time in her campaign - want her to do. She owes us that. And I want to see the true margin of victory when this is over. She will tighten the delgate lead and the popular vote count. I don't think it will be enough to overtake him, but I want to see the true results of her efforts.

Posted by: Christina | May 7, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

LOL

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

There's no way I'm voting for Obama. If he was white it wouldn't have even been close. He only won NC because of a bunch of 'people' who don't even deserve to vote. Clinton won real Americans by a huge margin and she is the real nominee.

Posted by: Dirk | May 7, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Unless Hillary WANTED the white flag raised, it's hard to say he is one of her most LOYAL supporters ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 7, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

**Sighs** The race for the nominee is over. I guess we're stuck with Obama.
Tim on MSNBC last night had an interesting observation. He said that one of the reasons Clinton is still pressing on is bc of debt. Need to get donors to make up some of it.

The media makes me sick - first they predicted that Obama would win Indiana, but when he lost, they didn't give credit where credit is due. They took her victory from her and down played it. All in all, I thought it has been a great and close race. The candidates are very similar. I commend Clinton for not giving up so easily. If we were going to have our first woman president, it would be her. I think that she's going to leave on a high note and that maybe she's doing all this to run again in 2012.

I pray that Obama can now prove us Clinton-supporters wrong and lead this country in the right direction. Don't let us down, Obama!

No McBush in 2008!

Posted by: Disappointed | May 7, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

And I'll just add, as a response to the comments above, I would love to see HRC depart from politics entirely... and don't worry, I know this is a pipe dream.

I live in NYS and was offended when she decided to move into NY and run for the Senate. She has no history here. She is not a career politician. If it was anyone else with a "celebrity" or "brand" name, it would be obscene to think that someone can wake up, roll over, and become a US Senator just like that.

I think it's clear from the beginning, and even with every choice she made in the Senate, she was only trying to position herself for this presidential election. Iraq? She was just trying to stay mainstream and nothing more.

And now that this campaign has blown up in her face, she has been fighting like a scared and cornered cat because this election was the point of her last 8-10 years. She just wanted to wear the crown.

A friend of mine argued that she still campaigns now only to ruin Obama for the general election so that she can swoop in and save the day in 2012. Sadly, I can see that as a possibility. The good news is, Dems (a bit too little and too late, as usual, sadly) have finally decided to referee this match and have pressed upon her to fight ethically.

I see no substance in Hillary, and am happy everyone else is started to come around the bend.

Posted by: jencm | May 7, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has lost whatever lead she had for the nomination. She will be allowed to stay in the race by the superdelegates as long as she stays positive and promotes the Democratic agenda. If she deviates into negative campaigning or epousing Republican ideas, like the "Gas Tax Holiday", the undeclared superdelegates will jump to Obama very quickly.

Obama in 08!

Posted by: AJ | May 7, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

I am thrilled an article finally showed up describing this situation for what is really is.

Everyone asks surprised that the #s are so bad for Hill. Fact is, her chances of winning have been all but impossible, logically, for over two months now.


Obama '08

Posted by: jencm | May 7, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Hillary for Senate Majority Leader. A meaningful job that needs a new face. YES SHE CAN!

Posted by: PRinNJ | May 7, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

time is quickly running out for Hillary...time to get out of this with some dignity, respect, and good will. She's lost the nomination, no matter what...but her reputation could be salvaged...but not for long

Posted by: kevin | May 7, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

She has not gone this far to drop out with less than a month to go. The only thing I see the party has to offer her is the Majority job from Reid, there is nothing else to put on the table, she is too much a control freak to take the VP slot.

Posted by: Patrick NYC | May 7, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Balz-Really!

The Clintons are just waiting for Obasama to "Show them the $$$$$$".

Seems Billary made some Loans for Herself, from Herself, she needs to get Paid Off! ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 7, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

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