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Chicago Cardinal Criticizes Rev. Pfleger for Inflammatory Clinton Comments

By Derek Kravitz
The leader of Chicago's Roman Catholic Archdiocese today sharply criticized a former adviser to Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign after the priest mocked Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) during two separate sermons on Sunday.

Saying he wanted "to avoid months of turmoil in the church," Cardinal Francis George also secured a promise from the Roman Catholic Rev. Michael L. Pfleger that he will stop commenting on presidential campaign and refrain from mentioning any candidates by name in the future.

"The Catholic Church does not endorse political candidates," George said in a statement. "Consequently, while a priest must speak to political issues that are also moral, he may not endorse candidates nor engage in partisan campaigning."

Two weeks ago, Pfleger resigned as a member of Obama's National Catholic Advisory Council.

"To avoid months of turmoil in the church, Fr. Pfleger has promised me that he will not enter into campaigning, will not publicly mention any candidate by name and will abide by the discipline common to all Catholic priests," George said.

In Pfleger's sermons -- one made at Trinity United Church of Christ and the other made at his church, St. Sabina -- the 59-year-old priest threatened to expose "white entitlement and supremacy wherever it raises its head" and said Clinton "wasn't the only one crying. There was a whole lot of white people crying," a reference to an emotional speech Clinton gave during a January campaign stop in New Hampshire.

Pfleger also said that "Hillary and McCain would wish they would have a preacher with the integrity of a Jeremiah Wright," Obama's pastor whose inflammatory comments on race were widely ridiculed earlier this year. "They wish they would have a preacher and not be ashamed or apologetic."

George, who is the leader of 2.3 million Catholics in the Chicago area, also said: "Racial issues are both political and moral and are also highly charged. Words can be differently interpreted, but Fr. Pfleger's remarks about Senator Clinton are both partisan and amount to a personal attack. I regret that deeply."

Pfleger was ordained in 1975 and became pastor of St. Sabina on Chicago's South Side in 1981.

Pfleger also has made contributions to Obama (D-Ill.), and his church programs have received thousands of dollars in state earmarks championed by Obama when he was a state lawmaker.

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As a Catholic, we MUST get rid of Pfleger. He is a disgrace to ALL Christians. In researching this man, I have found that his comments at Triniity Church were just the tip of the iceburg. This man has been reprimanded before for his outrageousness. It is the responsibility of the head of the Catholic church in Chicago to get rid of this troublemaker. We swept the priest abuse scandal under the rug, we CANNOT do it again. Pfleger IS NOT a priest or a Christian!!!!

Posted by: Donna Jacobsen | June 12, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

No Christian reglious leader should be act in the manner that Reverend Wright, or Father Pfleger has. Acting hateful, and encouraging hatred, cruelty is one of the worst sins against Christ, because it is the act of encouraging others to sin. Also, Christ asked that we love one another.

No priest or other member of the cloth, who believes in God, who follows Christ's teachings would do so. Those who do, are not disciples of Christ, but something twisted and evil.

No matter whether it's Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Reverend Wright, or Father Pfleger, there is no free pass to use their title, or the house of God to promote their own hatred and prejudice, or to promote any agenda.

Posted by: Mary | June 2, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

This priest should be fired from the archdiocese he belongs to. Either that or he should face some disciplinary action, at the least. I don't understand the Catholic church putting up with this. It's a disgrace to the church to have this hate filled racist woman hating idiot as a Catholic priest.

Posted by: Tbone | June 1, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

it may be a lot of things, this caricature of MRS Clinton, but the one thing it is not is incorrect. and as far as mocking others remember this?

'"Now, I could stand up here and say, 'Let's just get everybody together. Let's get unified,'" Clinton said to laughter of the crowd.

"The skies will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing and everyone will know we should do the right thing and the world will be perfect," she said dryly as the crowd erupted.

"Maybe I've just lived a little long, but I have no illusions about how hard this is going to be,"

SHE was mocking Obama's message of hope: someone else is mocking her not Obama so why should he take the heat. MRS Clinton has never learned that if you throw you need to learn to catch. That priest was right on message and clearly showed her frustration/anger/impotence over this upstart raining on her parade. And this whining loser is always talking about how unfairly SHE is treated.

Posted by: james | June 1, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

As a 'typical white person' I take no offense to these comments by the senator & (most) by Wright because they're basically TRUE. let's face it: we DID bomb Hiroshima & Nagasaki without blinking an eye. We killed thousands in secretly funded coup attempts, & have done DARK things in the name of "America's Interest". NO-ONE DENIES IT - So why keep lying to ourselves? Obama wants to discuss these issues in the cold light of day without blame to help bring healing to our nation. Bring it on I say.

Posted by: reason | June 1, 2008 7:09 AM | Report abuse

The really amazing thing about this Pfleger affair is the man himself. What a preening jackass was on display! What must be his manner during mass at his own church? How could the congregation have welcomed this type to minstrel show display? What a great divide in worship styles! This clown would have been hauled out of 90% of the congregations in the world's holy catholic church.

Posted by: ahmed zog | May 31, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama, Clinton, and McCain have set themselves up for personal attack by running on their bios (first black, first woman, straight-talking POW), not on the issues. Each of them is vulnerable on that front. Soon, we will hear about McCain:
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/

Meanwhile, the country is going bankrupt, our liberties are disappearing, our leaders are acting like bulls in the world's china shop, and these so-called change candidates will do next-to-nothing to turn things around. For more information, read this top-ranked book:
http://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Manifesto-Ron-Paul/dp/0446537519/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_i

Posted by: 1440 minutes | May 31, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

Father Michael Pfleger receiving over $100,000 in "earmarks" steered to him by Obama is the real story. Padre Mike looks to be another impostor like Obama with his "feel good" message of hope and change while concealing his Marxist ideology of Black Liberation Theology (a divisive and racist ideology which masquerades as a theology). Jeremiah Wright is surely an impostor who is having a huge mansion built for him in retirement by Trinity UCC and is located in a tony white enclave - not to mention being given a $10 million line of credit.

Obama ,like Father Michael Pfleger and Pastor Wright are con men and like all sucessful con men have excellent communications skills, which are essential to the deceit they practice.

The true tragedy is the press has been somesmerised by the Obama Hollywood like storyline that it has become intoxicated by Obama's oratory and has failed to excercise the healthy skepticism that the British press routinely exercise.

Obama is beginning to appear as just another inner city corrupt Black politician and not the transcendent candidate that he holds himself out to be.

Simply put, Barrack Obama is an impostor.

Posted by: Kev25 | May 31, 2008 8:20 PM | Report abuse

My Catholic Church members are asking why Pfleger has not been excommunicated. We as catholics will not support someone who pushes hate.

Posted by: Catholic group | May 31, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Chicago Cardinal Criticizes Rev. Pfleger for Inflammatory Clinton Comments:

I have always believed in the saying "birds of a feather flock togehter". If Obama is a member of a church that pushes racism and hate then that is a shame. How can he be friends with these preachers for 20+ years and not share their beliefs? The truth is coming out about Obama's life becasue the Trinity Church choses to video recorder and sell the tapes of each meeting. You can clearly see the congregation buys into the racial hate. My question is this: What would Jesus say had he been there on these days of surmons. Answer: he would have been hurt. Besides what preacher takes the name of the lord in vein, in the house of the lord. Jesus preaches love and peace. to love thy neighbor...

I don't like McCain and truly supported Obama until all these preachers at Obama's church began to spread their beliefs. Now I feel that I have to give my vote to McCain. I can not support any one who associates themselves with racist and cruel people.

Posted by: equalrights | May 31, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

I wish all of you well. Those who support Hillary and are disgruntled. It is perfectly understandable to be upset. You thought that your candidate would have the nomination by Super Tuesday but millions of Americans have expressed their disdain with the Clinton brand of politics. It is time to move on.

The Vietnam era brand of politics is over and it is time to turn the page. If you are interested in supporting McCain, go right ahead. Just remember that with McCain you'll get support for the Iraq war, the surge and 100 more years in Iraq, not having a clear understanding of economics, a diminution of women's rights (choice), conservative judge on the Supreme Court of the likes of Scalia, Robinson, Thomas and Alito and many other issues that make him at least sound like Bush. No, he may not be Bush, but by the looks of these admitted policies, he sure sound like Bush. So go right ahead, vote your conscientiousness, support McCain. I'll see you at the bottom of the cliff when the straight talk express makes its plunge.

Posted by: Black Jack | May 31, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

Mccain is by no means perfect. But he is no Bush, who is the biggest buffoon of all time.

I will take Mccain over Obama anyday.

Bush and Mccain hate each other. Mccain has opposed Bush's policies many times.

Posted by: Stopobama | May 31, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I am no Bush supporter.

I personally think Bush is the biggest buffoon to be president. He is the worst president of all time. However, that doesn't mean Obama, a one term senator is qualified to lead the free world.

Posted by: stopobama | May 31, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

every is still Forest. become up to my a pair And grapes, black and

Posted by: globalwoodjh | May 31, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Stopobama, I am smarter than allot of the other people on this board. I know that you are a Republican, attempting to sow seeds of doubt in the minds of Hillary's supporters. Hillary's supporters know you and are on to your foolishness. Many Americans were disenfranchised in 2000 and fooled in 2004. Gays, guns and other extraneous matters clouded our view back then, but we are not going to settle for another Bush presidency. The Republicans have been a complete disaster for this country and we all know better.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I am not a Republican. There are many differences between John McCain and George W. Bush. What I find unsettling is that Obama supporters try using these key phrases like "third term for George W. Bush" in order to change the argument.

The other mythology that they present is that Republicans are planning on voting for Obama, which I do not believe.

The other common theme is that this insurrection against Obama is coming from Rush Limbaugh. Rush is insignificant.

Obama has some serious baggage heading into the election. You are going to need Clinton votes, so stop the name calling and tall tales. Give us a real reason to vote for your candidate.

Posted by: Tom Enriquez | May 31, 2008 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I will ask you again. What has Barack Obama achieved so far in his short time in office?

Posted by: stopobama | May 31, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Stopobama, you are obviously an advocate for your candidate. It is hard to see why you would support someone who is for the Iraq war, against choice for women, for keeping Americans in Iraq for 100 years, admittedly, doesn't know much about economics, has hundreds of supporters and campaign workers who are lobbyists for dictatorial regimes, and on, and on, and on. Go ahead vote for McCain!!! You'll get exactly what you deserve. I promise!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

It's truly amazing that a senator who hasn't even served one full term (with basically no track record) can have so much support.

What has he actually achieved so far?

The media acts like he's a god or something.

This "Obamamania" is sheer lunacy.

Barack Obama must be stopped.

Posted by: stopobama | May 31, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

As an Obama supporter, I also feel that the address, especially at Trinity Church, was unfortunate. That said, it is also remotely possible that what Father P. said regarding this otherwise wonderfully positive movement taking the Clintons "entitlement politics" by surprise was true, so true! If Father's address had remained positive then it could be embraced by the movement. Rather, it was a negative and sarcastic address, not demonstrative of this exciting campaign which embraces diversity. Thanks to the Cardinal for the few raps on P's knuckles. :- )

Posted by: Robert Campbell | May 31, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Chicago Cardinal Criticizes Rev. Pfleger for Inflammatory Clinton Comments

Anything to distract the truth of the matter, that Obama is the best elect. Get a grip people, you are your own self destruction displaying how controversial you are in dealing with the truth. Something that, I would say, you may find hard to do if you are up with the Hillary lying syndrome. I understand. God Bless America!


Posted by: Nisey01 | May 31, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Dear Washington Post editors and staff:

I enjoy the news on your newspaper. I think,however,that this particular Blog does not meet the standards for newsworthy information that you may have expected, and that you deserve.

Sincerely,
Sarah Callahan

Posted by: Sarah Callahan | May 31, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

This is only more proof that Obama supporters not only hate Republicans but also hate Clinton supporters...

Maybe just in your mind??

Obama great uniter.. try great DIVIDER!!!
If Obama is elected he will divide this country like never before...

Many people in this country today are very divisive. You sound like one willing to remain happily divided.

Better off having McCain for 4 years than living with the disaster that Obama will bring.

You're another nitwit who seems to think McCain, a good conservative, is a logical substitute for Clinton.

Do you actually understand the fundamental difference here? Got a clue? Anything?

Posted by: Bob | May 31, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

If this is the kind of vile vitriol Obama's supporters are spewing because they think he's won the nomination and are feeling their power, I dread to think what they will do if he wins the presidency and they have access to the White House.

Posted by: JTomorrow | May 31, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

It is really disgusting the way you Obama people have maligned Hillary Clinton. You should be absolutely ashamed of yourselves.

Posted by: Hillary All the Way | May 31, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

ejgallagher1,

Inconveniently for you, I am a native person, and am well educated on the histories of the indigenous peoples of these lands. The Spanish colonial empire, were bloodthirsty, oppressive murderers. Do you understand what genocide is? Do not DARE to attempt to undermine the truth because you find it inconvenient. The Spanish conquistadores conquest took place hundreds of years before the English arrived on these shores. The Spanish specifically to conquer, to look for gold, and loot all resources to fatten the purses of the Spanish crown and it's aristocrats. They put the indigenous peoples into slavery, to strip mine gold. They deliberately sought to exterminate those people. As bad as the English and other European settlers were, they were nothing compared to the atrocities committed by the Spanish. When the Spanish set sail, they were determined to do exactly what they did.

"Latin America" refused to end slavery, and only were forced to roughly forty to fifty years after the US did. To this day, the Hispanics (no matter how tan their skin is) are racist and treat both the remaining few indigenous, and the descendents of African oppressively. Have you ever spoken to the people who call themselves Afro-Latino? From Mexico to the tip of South America they are treated like vermin, only exploited for their music and cuisine to the tourist trade. During the mudslides four years ago, a Mayan village was destroyed, and the Mexican government, under Vincente Fox didn't lift a finger to help those people, and the Mexican people demeaned those Mayans who criticized their government for it's abuses and corruption.

They started the trans-Atlantic slave trade to replace the indigenous who were virtually all wiped out. The Spanish also established colonies in the Carribean and in the southeast of what is now called the US. They introduced slavery to the US. No one has denied that the English and other settlers here adopted the practice, but the facts are that slavery isn't America's original sin, it didn't originate here, nor was it an expansion. What's more, any pastor who embraces Kaddafi, and others in the Arab world, like Wright has, who refuses to chastise the Arab world, and Africa, hold them accountable, not only for their role in the slavery of the past, but their continued practice of it, has no right to chastise America's involvement in the slave trade. Those who do are only exploiting the issue, for their own agenda, seeding hearts and minds with hatred and bigotry. That is the true root at the concerns about both Wright's and Pfleger's hate speech. It's not that they are againt slavery, they are exploiting the history of slavery, to the descendents of the victims, but ignoring just who it was who was complicit in it.

The majority of Americans, and that includes Amerians with white skin, have no ancestral ties to slavery. No where in their family history were there anyone who profited from it. Again, I am an Obama supporter, but one has to wonder, given his father's ancestral ties, if any of Obama's ancestors on his father's side profited from slavery. We know that democratic Senator Ken Salazar's ancestors profited enormously from slavery. We know the Spanish government is fighting to claim a shipwreck cargo of gold from the past, and we know where that gold came from, and at whose expense. No one demands that the Spanish give that gold in restitution to the descendents of the indigenous who they victimized, or the descendents of the African slaves they created.

When the Spanish from Mexico sought to move up into the southwestern lands now called the US, there were indigenous peoples who lived on those lands. They were enslaved, and brutally murdered. When they sought to free themselves, resist such attempts, they were shot.

Yes, the English displaced the indigenous, they fought with unfair advantage and they were wrong, but at least the modern Americans have sought to discuss and attempt to bring about change. The Hispanics of Latin America refuse to do so, in fact they lie about their history, and teach gross revisionism in their history books, claiming to have lived in "peace and justice", with the indigenous peoples. For centuries they have pretended that the indigenous just disappeared for some unknown reason. When they couldn't deny it any longer, they started pretending that the indigenous hadn't disappeared, rather they'd all "intermarried" with the Spanish and had blended into the larger population. We know the truth. Brown skin does not make you a native person. Most of the Spanish that arrived on those shores centuries ago had the same brown skin. Anyone who has been to Spain knows this to be true.

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Anadromous2, you deliberately twist what I was referring to. I was talking about why they were so silent on the wider issues on the subject. Are you going to pretend that when NAFTA was pushed through, and Bill Clinton's signing of it violated the constittution because it didn't get the 2/3 majority vote it needed, when outsourcing was rationalized the most stridently, that an African American woman wasn't the head of the Department of Labor? Alexis Herman. Are you going to pretend that the many, many African American television and radio network exectutives didn't sit silently after hurricane Katrina, and didn't demand better more responsible reporting on the issues that lead to so much poverty? We know they exist, we saw them all speak out after the Don Imus/Rutgers incident. Are you going to pretend that the ethnic minorities in the Bush administration, Linda Chavez, Elaine Chao, Carlos Guitierez, Alberto Gonzales, Condoleeza Rice and the many others suddenly are white? That corrupt, unethical foreign leaders are suddenly white?
Skin color isn't the determinate of a person's character, their ethical standards. When anyone tries to infer that the evils of the world are the sole blame of white people, they are lying, and exploiting the suffering of those who have been harmed. They aren't trying to end such wrongs, they are seeking to create even more wrongs, more abuse and suffering. Those who would do so are corrupt, and are no different than Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Lenin, Mao and other such monsters.

Posted by: Jennt | May 31, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

WE DO NOT ACCEPT OBAMAS POLITICAL DAMAGE APOLOGY!!!
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Well then you better get down on the floor and start kicking and screaming then.

Obama really has nothing to do with these comments. I would suggest you talk to the man who made them.

We're moving on to beat McCain. Have a nice forever!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

It is really disgusting the way you Obama people have maligned Hillary Clinton. You should be absolutely ashamed of yourselves.
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Lot of the criticism, if you want to call it that, leveled at people in office or running for office is garbage smack talk. And some people seem to induce more than others. Its just the way it is. I think Hillary has received a lot of it. And I think it is ridiculous too. Having said that, I think she has been a bit thin skinned in not letting more of it roll off her back. She came into the campaign with high negatives. She is certainly intelligent enough to expect it was coming since she was a woman running for the office. So I am a bit disappointed she has hid behind some of it by using the "I'm a woman, this isn't fair" defense. And she has fanned those flames with her ardent followers.

That's fine if thats how she wants to play the game. But we are all allowed to judge her as we see fit. This is presidential politics, however stupid it is. She needs to step up to the plate and swing at whatever they throw at her or go home. Jackie Robinson did it not so much on his incredible skills as an athelete but on his fortitude to not allow anyone to beat him down. Hillary needs to take some lessons there.

I wanted to vote for her till she started getting a bit irrational. And frankly I believe Obama to have more charisma and a clearer vision of the future.

Why are you people not willing to accept that some of us think she just isn't that great a candidate versus Obama? Surely we can make the decision. Otherwise just run any female if we were just suppose to vote based on sex.

I'd love to see a woman president. But she has to be the best candidate first.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

As a white man and a Catholic, I believe white racism really does need to be exposed. The accusatory tone and bitterness of these comments by Rev. Phleger, however, were not helpful, and they make me cringe. Yet, I completely accept Senator Obama's rebuttal of these sentiments. Obama is a cooperative man with the sharpest ethical compass of any leader we've had in my lifetime. This country will excel under his leadership.

Posted by: J.T. | May 31, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

WE DO NOT ACCEPT OBAMAS POLITICAL DAMAGE APOLOGY!!!

SHOCKING Obama words: what he really thinks of white folks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI77cU3jsFs

An Obama Presidency Will Set Race Relations Back Decades
Just this Sunday Father Michael Pfleger (a longtime friend and associate of Senator Obama) mocked Hillary Clinton & AGAIN ATTACKED WHTE PEOPLE at Obama's church OF 20 PLUS YEARS.

"theres a whole lot of white people crying!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y

http://www.dontvoteobama.net

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

What will Osama say when he meets Obama ? Congratulations, I am proud of you, my brother. We did it !!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

To "gaypastor",

I'm sure glad you're not in the Church. Your whole world and the religion you profess on here, seems to revolve around your own sexuality. You've deified your own sexuality. True healing begins when we accept God, learn to be humble, and put aside sin, and yes, homosexuality is a sin. Sinners are loved by God... you are loved, and I am loved... but sin is not loved.

Posted by: Mark F | May 31, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

The Rules are N/A

Since it was the REPUBLICANS in the Florida and Michigan legislatures that moved up the Primaries --- PUNISHING the Democratic Parties, and, the Democrat VOTERS in Florida and Michigan is LUDICRUOUS.

Lacking the authority to Punish the GUILTY Republican Perpetrators of that Dirty Trick -- is the Democratic Pary Leadership so stupid and insane they now propose to commit suicide by Punishing Their Own INNOCENT Florida & Michigan DEMOCRAT VOTERS?

IF So, it will create so strong an appearance of Selling-Out/Throwing this Election to the Republicans it will be THE END of the Democratic Party. Citizens will desert in droves to the GREEN Party.

The Democratic Party Leadership best find that THE RULES DO NOT APPLY in this case and seat ALL of Florida and Michigan's Delegates.

Posted by: elme | May 31, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

I remember when Obama said he wanted a more cilvil country, more polite, yet the people who surround him are filled with vile disgusting and insulting comments about anyone they don't think are going along with the program. Yesterday on one of the major news outlets the commentater stated whenever anything negative is brought up about Obama he gets hate emails. He then tiptoed around this issue with the priest. Who is Obama anyway? I don't think we do know who he is really and if we are to discern by the people around him anything about him he is someone who is a very scary prospect for being the our next presedential candidate for the democratic party. As a life long democrat, McCain is looking better and better to me, especially since he IS dealing with the issues, including gas speculation being the cause of artificially infalted gas prices.Clinton would have been our best choice but as they say the squeaky wheel gets the grease and everyone is too afraid from main stream media to comment on the realities of who Omama really is. After all to some black folk, Obama is the black messiah, and they don't want to deal with the reality that he is inexperienced and that he has connections to some unsavory people.If this really is what is good for the democratic party and our country why doesn't Obama back out? Obama's campaign isn't about our country, it's about Obama and some very vocal leaning toward violent black people.

Posted by: Susan Powers | May 31, 2008 7:35 AM | Report abuse

and don;t we all have scarry people in our family. Take a look at "ALL" of the candidates. Tell me when you find some wings.

Please, the Whitehouse is about power, and let's be real, it isn't called the Whitehouse for nothing. This is why I am not so concerned with Obama, Wright, and Plfger. AS with Bush(s) he will be surrounded by people who will insure a certain policy (and it won't be personal) that will further the goals and mission of this country from a White Power point of view. Now, I am not talking about some neonazi stuff, I am simply saying that powerful white men run this country. They are not about to allow Obama, a multiracial African-American, to all of a sudden have it change course too dramatically. I'm telling you, he can do no worse than Bush, and he will be as good (I believe better) than Clinton, if we, the people, galvonize behind him.

that's just my pov

Posted by: johnj | May 31, 2008 7:19 AM | Report abuse

You really have to ask yourself. Are these the kind of people that Obama will have in tow with him to the White House ??

They were already on his Committee.

This is scary.

Posted by: Friends in White House | May 31, 2008 6:49 AM | Report abuse

Guilt by association is the undisputed domain of Hillary and her philandering husband!

Her campaign has largely been funded (directly and indirectly) by at best shady investors expecting a payoff if she is elected!

Hillary, the Queen of Spin and a Legend in Her Own Mind!

http://klintons.com

Posted by: Bob | May 31, 2008 6:47 AM | Report abuse

Young Atheart, I think you are right. One has to ask oneself, if you are truly a supporter of Obama, and knowing that such inflammatory remarks just before the finish line, might trip him up, you button your lip on such rank, ugly speech. To not do so, speaks of getting paid off, because no one listens to the history of why you said whay you said, the only hear what you said.

I don't believe Rev. Wrighte Pflger are that niave, especially if they are ole-school, that they cannot see a bigger picture and rise above their own selfish desires. But they haven't, so as Shakespear would say, "There's something rotten in Denmark."

Posted by: Iread2 | May 31, 2008 6:44 AM | Report abuse

...and the charge that people should leave a church because they do not agree with the Pastor's views (all or some) is ludicrous, or seems like the word for the day is "disengenuious." Remember back in the day, it was America, Love it or leave it. This was the same tactic that Bush used to push through his whole Iraq war and Patriot Act deal. This is the same mentality of fear that had almost the entire Congress accepting and continuiing funding the war - at all costs.

If we are honest, and I do mean honest, there are many people who we know, respect, and perhaps even love, that have vastly different views than we carry. We love, respect, and associate with them because they are, first, people, and not "things" to be discarded once they have fulfilled their usefullness.

Many of us would rather not be honest with ourselves. Many here also are aware of the past legal problems that Clinton has been involved in up to her waste (I mean waist) but they are praying to high heaven that these issues will not come up. Of course, they will cry foul, being that Clinton has been exhonerated from the ones that actullay made it to court, and the others are no more than rumors and conspiracy crap. But, one's person's crap is another's gold mind. WE have to remember, there is a universal law that says, "what goes around, comes around."

Posted by: Jesse | May 31, 2008 5:31 AM | Report abuse

The problem is, what was said was correct
The problem is, what was said people expect him not to say
The problem is, what was said, hurts Obama because people will attribute it to him
The problem is, people will not grade all candidates, supporters, and surrogates, with the same measuring stick.
The problem is, there is no "real" sincere and honest debate or dialogue about these issues, whether it is sexism or racism, because it would speak harshly about the very fabric of America and power. So people tend to pick and choose the more emotional, winnable, or most comfortable fight.

Many Black vote for Obama because he is black, but what is often overlooked is that Obama is an excellent candidate to vote for. Maeaning, Clearance Thomas nor Condolezza Rice would not have the same support - and they appear to be Black.

Many white women are now voting for Hillary because she is white, and they "loudly" profess it. Why because Bill has said they are treating his wife wrong (just like he did) - but he also said two interesting remarks. If you can;t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Hmmm, sounds a bit sexists to me. Obama couldn't have said that and gotten away with it. Also, Clinton once taled about the game of football, being a game of clips and fouls and that players should "expect" to be clipped, or not put on the pads. Again, if we analyze the comments we see the deceit and treachery. The Clinton's are in fact whining, because it is a political gain to do so. They are betting on emotion (they'd rather use passion though passion "is" emotion) to carry the day, not ration or fair logic.

I could be wrong, but no more right or wrong than these other posts.most Americans

Posted by: jesse | May 31, 2008 5:19 AM | Report abuse

Chris336, cut the crap. Just because someone is African American and comes from a different culture, does not mean that views of bigotry should be excused. Just because you may feel that what the Pastor said was correct, does not mean that it is. Nor does you cultural past of "where you came from" give you any entitlement to views of racism or bigotry.

That is the problem with some Obama supporters, you honestly feel that because some of us suppot Hillary, that somehow subconciously, I am racist or have problem with his skin color. I don't have a problem with Obama's race, I have a problem with his inexperience and weakness; and I don't believe the most powerful office in the world should be held by one who believes that both foreign and domestic policy should be dictated by the recitation of slogan's and fanciful sayings.

I am tired that everytime Obama stumbles, someone backs him up; his subpar performances in the debates is rewarded with "well he wasn't as good as Hillary Clinton, but he did held his own". His attacks on Hillary go unchallenged, however the attacks by Hillary is welcomed with reprimands from the Democratic Party.

The problem is that Hillary can't get nominated and Obama get elected. And as far as the the new politics that Obama and his supporters preach endlessly on, I have been reading blogs for the past several months. I can say that Clinton supporters have been very respectful in their opposition toward Obama, however, Obama bloggers are downright mean-spirited, vulgar, and based on your views Chris, highly ignorant.

Hillary supporters think for themselves, we are not easily carried away by a JFK wannabe.

Posted by: Pete123 | May 31, 2008 5:12 AM | Report abuse

the true racists are people like obama ...

he was raised white but plays black victim
he hangs out with and is mentored by those who use race to spread hate.
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Don't worry. This only bothers racists. Uh..you aren't a racist are you? I hope not.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 4:19 AM | Report abuse

"The problem with MANY people in this world, whether there're black, white, hispanic, male, female, young, and old, whatever, is that they truly have never never heard the gospel of Jesus the Christ."

Thats funny. Cause I think the problem today is too many people who profess to be good Christians select their favorite passages from the bible like it was a Chinese restuarant menu, fashion some sort of twisted belief from how they connect the passages and focus a whole lot more hatred than I can imagine on their favorite target. Gays, Hispanics, Blacks, liberals, Orientals, Jews, Islamics, oh the list is long. They all call themselves Good Chritians who follow the teachings of the Bible but boy can they sure bring the hate and venom on somebody who doesn't look or think like them.

That's one reason I am agnostic, follow the 10 Commandments and hate no one. I don't even hate Christians. Just have a lot of contempt.

Ya'll keep going to church on Sunday and hate everyone the rest of the week. I'm sure God loves you.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 3:12 AM | Report abuse

How can we possibly contemplate electing a president who sought out a church of bigots and then continued to be an active member in that reprehensible group for years?
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I think your assesemnet is grossly inaccurate. None of us really know what the connection Obama felt for his church. I am not going to assume like you that since Obama was a member of that church that he had any empathy for the crazy ideas Wright spoke of. There isn't a shred of evidence that Obama accepts any of Wright's crazy notion. In fact it appears he has been offended by the speeches too.

I'm not real crazy about my President but I am here for a lot of other reasons. So I ignore the incredbibly stupid things that Bush says. Its difficult to ignore the terrible things he does.

I'm voting for Obama, not Wright or Pfleger. Works for me!

Posted by: Bob | May 31, 2008 2:53 AM | Report abuse

When watching the videos of Rev. Pfleger and Rev Wright speaking at Obama's church, it is clear you are watching raving bigots in action.

The interesting thing is the audience clearly appreciates and enjoys the bigoted messages. Obama's church members seem to tolerate or even encourage bigotry.

Oppression of the blacks depended on tolerance or encouragement of "red-necked" bigots. That was wrong.

Tolerance of "black-necked" bigots is equally wrong.

How can we possibly contemplate electing a president who sought out a church of bigots and then continued to be an active member in that reprehensible group for years?

Posted by: JS | May 31, 2008 2:47 AM | Report abuse

Ofcourse the congregation would be eager to celebrate a counter-punch specially delivered by a visiting white priest from an entirely different Christian denomination....as if to say "see we are not crazy, everyone thinks this way" The media's handling of the Wright controversy is directly responsible for this; the congregation is only retaliating in the only way it can for a solid month of nationally televised defamation of the church and its founding pastor. Hillary was only too eager to pile on.

On-the-other-hand Mr. Pledger was likely paid-off to hurt Obama. None of it makes sense, duplicating Wright's theatrical performance, 1 week before critical primaries, the choice of Trinity, picking a fight that was never his to begin with and specially when it is nearly won. And there was a camera in the audience that posted in two days to Youtube. The intended audience was the national media! His long-term mutual support with Obama is flimsy when compared to what he could get for his ministry in such a high stake drama...that is perfectly legal! Classic Chicago-style politics.

The sheepish democrats that get sucked in to this crap need to start thinking.

Posted by: Young Atheart | May 31, 2008 2:34 AM | Report abuse

Well, the response of the diocese was insipid. Pfleger isn't going stay off the subject anymore than Wright has. The Catholic League gets it better. Here is their press release:
http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1440

Posted by: Jay M | May 31, 2008 2:34 AM | Report abuse

It was funny and overdue the way everyone is walking on eggshells trying to appease Hillary fans. Hillary did feel entitled going in on Bill's coat tails as the presumptive nominee, nobody predicted Obama. For all those people feeling ofended, you might want to remember not everyone is coming from where you came from and maybe there's a message that needs to be heard.

Posted by: Chris336 | May 31, 2008 2:18 AM | Report abuse

As a pastor - and as a gay man - I will NOT support Sen. Obama's nor his choices of spiritual/religious affiliations. Here's the whole list (in case some of you are forgetting the WHOLE list):

Oct. 2007 - Obama invites gospel singer, Donnie McClurkin, to be part of his campaign's attempt to reach black evangelicals. Mr. McClurkin is a former gay man whose ministry includes helping people to NOT be gay. The largest gay rights organization, the Human Rights Campaign, criticizes Obama for his choice of company.

Jan. 2008 - The day after Obama makes a pro-gay speech in a predominantly Black church, Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell (a spiritual advisor to Pres. Bush) endorses Obama. Rev. Caldwell's church (at that time - they've since took it down) includes a ministry whose soul purpose is to convert gay people into "normal" straight people. Also this month Obama says Rev. Wright was a "sounding board" for him and one that helps Obama to "speak the truth."

March 2008 - The country begins to review Rev. Wright's church and discovers the church's magazine's support of Rev. Farrakhan (an anti-Jewish and anti-gay pastor) as well as his sermons saying that 9/11 was brought on by racism, God should "damn America," the first woman candidate has never suffered any kind of oppression or discrimination, and AIDS (the disease that has caused widespread oppression for millions of gay people) was actually developed by the US to hurt the African American community.

April 2008 - Obama calls Rev. Wright's recent remarks at the National Press club "a bunch of rants that aren't grounded in the truth" but does not leave his church.

May 2008 - Father Pfleger visits Obama's church and suggests that he understands the heart and mind of Hillary Clinton who he said is an "entitled white women" who fakes her tears and is afraid of Obama's success because he is an African American. Pfleger's archbishop gives him a public reprimand for "partisan campaigning."

Yeah...I'm sticking with Hillary!!!!

Posted by: gaypastor | May 31, 2008 2:13 AM | Report abuse

AsperGirl>

50 + Samoa, Baker Island, Guam, Howland Island, Jarvis Island, Johnston Atoll, Kingman Reef, Midway Islands, Navassa Island, Palmyra Atoll, Virgin Islands, Wake Island, Northern Mariana Islands and Puerto Rico. Actually, more than 57 (States + territories).

Try getting an education instead of trying to prove others wrong. Learn rather than criticize. Love rather than hate.

Posted by: michael4 | May 31, 2008 2:00 AM | Report abuse

Hey Guys! Fox news is still peddeling this non news! Just look how this liberal media
has a good name brand! shame on them!! thanks God Americans knows better!
http://www.turnoffyourtv.com/networks/foxnews/foxnews.html

Posted by: Pedeen | May 31, 2008 2:00 AM | Report abuse

The priest shuld be defrocked,Wright should be sent somewhere for mental evaluation and Hagee and his followers should be banned from the airwaves.The main difference betweden Barack and John McCain is that McCain went out looking for his nut jobs after they dumped on him in 2000.That didn't show much good sence either.I'm forming the Contrarian party.We're aginst every thing.Want to Join?

Posted by: pabobr | May 31, 2008 1:49 AM | Report abuse

Not long ago Obama claimed that he'd visited 57 states and got a lot of ribbing from the press because the U.S. has 50 states in it and not 57. But even if Obama was tired from campaigning all day, and made a simple slip of the tongue, 57 is an odd number to confuse with 50. Now what Union has 57 states in it? The Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) is an international organization with a permanent delegation to the United Nations. It has 57 Islamic member states, from the Middle East, Africa, Central Asia, Caucasus, Balkan, Southeast Asia, South Asia and South America.

WHO IS OBAMA?

Obama's father is identified as Arabic in his birth records, not "African negro". That's because his father's Luo tribe has a lot of Arabic blood in it and Obama's father was supposedly more than 50% Arab by Luo tribal heritage lines. According to his Kenyan records, Obama's father was 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab. So Obama's actually, technically, Arab-American with a minority amount of African Negro racial heritage. He is mainly of whatever his mother was, and then after that he's mostly Arabic and then after that African negro by a small amount.

Also, according to Muslim religious and cultural traditions, Obama's a Muslim because his father was Muslim and the religion in that culture is inherited from the father, like Jewish people inherit their heritage via the mother. So according to Muslim traditions, Obama is a Muslim who was born a Muslim but has avowed Christianity. There was even a NY Times article -- "Frank Talk About Obama and Islam" -- about that in March, suggesting that the Muslim world would hate Obama for being "apostate", which is punishable by death. But Muslim scholars apply the description "apostate" to an adult conversion from Islam to another religion. Since Obama was never raised in Islam, they would excuse his failure to practice as indoctrination by his culture from birth. So they would view him as a Muslim by birth raised away from his faith not as a matter of his choice. It does not appear that Obama is hated for not practicing Islam, since he's widely admired in Islamic societies who are rooting for him to win the election.

So if you want to know what Obama is technically, you don't need his records (that would just attest to what cultural definitions he chooses to go by). Technically, he's a mixture of Arabic and Caucasian with some black African thrown in. And according to Muslims he'd be a non-practicing Muslim born into another culture and raised outside the Islamic faith by his family's choice, not his.

It's hard to say what identity he ultimately identifies with, because his autobiography is admittedly "historical fiction" with "composite characters". He has surrounded himself with activist people who seem to identify with Arab Muslims, Africans, American Muslims and African Americans as a combined political/religious/social activist philosophy and lifestyle. For example, the Trinity Church newsletter had Hamas-supportive material in it and there seem to be close ties between American Nation of Islam leadership and Trinity Church Christian leadership. The Christianity at Trinity Church seems to be as radical, militant and paranoid as any other religion that doesn't have "love thy neighbor" and "turn the other cheek" as precepts.

Posted by: AsperGirl | May 31, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

If Fr. Pfleger accepts Black Liberation Theology and teaches it, he is teaching heresy from a Catholic standpoint. Pope Benedict XVI and Pope John Paul II condemned liberation theology back in the 1980s as a perversion of Christianity that trades faith for politics.

Where are all of the Separation of Church and State people condemning Pfleger and Wright for violating the separation? Pfleger should either recant his apparent belief in liberation theology or resign his priesthood.

Posted by: John R. | May 31, 2008 1:29 AM | Report abuse

Correction:
"The problem with MANY people in this world, whether they're black, white, hispanic, male, female, young, and old, whatever, is that they truly have never never heard the gospel of Jesus the Christ"
Posted by: The Gospel Truth | May 30, 2008 2:53 PM

Did it ever occur to you that MANY people did and don't buy the fairy tale? Who appointed anyone to educate anyone on how to think and what to believe?

Thanks but I am truly capable of thinking for myself without divine guidance from anyone whose entire life is stilted and unable to see another view point.

Posted by: RetCombatVet | May 30, 2008 5:12 PM

Sorry,
Didn't mean to offend you. This is all by choice. This was a message to reach all of those who choose to hear the Gospel truth and receive it. The Gospel is not for everyone and thats by choice. This post was for those who choose to believe Jesus came to save those who are lost and are searching for the truth. It was a message to them warning them to be careful of what they choose to accept as the Gospel of Christ. You have made your choice and I respect that. By the way I am not offended by your words. Below is the very important part of the rest of the message that you left out when you copied and reposted. I probably could have directed my comments more clearly to the audience I was trying to reach.

"The problem with MANY people in this world, whether they're black, white, hispanic, male, female, young, and old, whatever, is that they truly have never never heard the gospel of Jesus the Christ"

...."And for many of us who have WE certainly don't act like it. This is nothing new and you haven't seen nothing yet. However, if you want some help in understanding what's going on today read the Book of Jeremiah."

Posted by: The Gospel Truth | May 31, 2008 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Just one question for the Obama supporters .. How many skeletons d you have in the closets ? when are you planning to bring them out ?

Posted by: ash | May 31, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

What a laugh!! The priest wants a gig on Saturday Night Live. Funny skit. Of course all the dainty folk with get their corsets in a twist -- but by Monday the world will be laughing at them.

Watch the skit again --it is definitely funny. Hilarious!! Vintage Saturday Night Live stuff. Serious entertainment value.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 31, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Anyone ever heard of comedy? Granted, it may not have been the best type, but clearly they were having fun in the "family" at Rodham's expense; as if she hasn't said things at Obama's expense. But, no one can have any fun anymore. It's not PC. I've heard a lot worse at any comedy club.

Posted by: michael4 | May 31, 2008 12:42 AM | Report abuse

The sad thing about all this negative coverage of pastor/priests that Obama knows and pastors that McCain knows is that much of the good that comes from the church experience is being boiled down to 10 to 30 second snipets of sermons that don't discuss the bible.

All pastors and priests try to put ancient biblical text into modern terms so that the congregation can relate. If you don't then you risk losing members of the church because of boredom.

I only wish that the Cardinal Francis George would have been this proactively vocal about the widespread child sex abuses in the Roman Catholic Church.

Posted by: AJ | May 31, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse


John McCain is a celebrity - the voice of some Republicans.

HilLIARy Clinton is a professional victim - the voice of some Democrats.

Barack Obama is a scholar - the VOICE of America.


Posted by: Living in the Last Days. | May 31, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

WHAT CHANGE? . . . . Barack Obama says he's for change, but he's never laid out a real plan.

However, if you look at the way he does business, there is no change at all.
1) Stonewalling Florida and Michigan, much like George Bush did Florida in 2000.
2) Ultra-quick to accuse his chief opponents of playing race-cards, even though his reasoning has been so convoluted as to leave anyone dizzy who tries to believe it or defend it for that matter. . . . . Is this how the White House is going to CHANGE in the next four years? Instead of accusing opponents of being "unpatriotic," Obama will accusing them of playing "race-cards."
3) No one has received more campaign money from the Health Industry than Obama, and look at his second-rate health care plan. . . . . . Just what the Industry ordered. . . . No change there.

I see nothing of any change for the better in the way Obama runs for the nomination. . . . . . In fact, the insulting way in which he lies about his opponents playing race-cards is damaging race relations in America. . . . . . . And now more ragings against whites by another of Obama's friends from Rev. Wright's pulpit.

I will never vote for someone who worked as hard as McCain did to urge Americans to put George Bush back in office in 2004. . . . But, I'm having a hard time thinking about supporting that racist Obama.

Bill Clinton's "fairytale" statement or Hillary's "RFK" statement were not a race-cards. . . . . . . . You want to see a real race-card? . . Look at the ad for the Tennessee Senator election in 2006 -- now that's a race-card.

Heck Obama was shouting "Race-card" so loud and often, I thought he was selling programs for NASCAR.

Posted by: Coldcomfort | May 31, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Mark Shield suggested Obama should apologize to Clinton directly for Father Phleger. That seems like the right thing to do. Clinton never has apologized for her own, let alone her staff's inappropriate stuff, but Phleger's shenanigans are totally uncharacteristic of the Obama campaign and need a solid denouncing, twice if need be.

Posted by: Eugene | May 30, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse

Neither one of these people, or any of their ilk, should have the slightest relevance in this campaign and certainly not one per cent of the bafflingly prolific press coverage they get. My response to which candidates the Christian Right, Middle or Left backs: Who CARES??!! Sheesh, talk about the tail wagging the dog...to paraphrase Holden Caulfield, Thomas Jefferson would just about puke all over himself.

Posted by: Mike D. | May 30, 2008 11:52 PM | Report abuse

How cares what this statue worshiping pedophile thinks?
The important thing is
HILLARY LOST
HILLARY LOST
HILLARY LOST
And she'll NEVER hold another elected office in the USA.

Posted by: DWayne | May 30, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

looked like they all were high on crack...I'm pretty sure both preachers were...sane people don't talk and act iike that...


What does this really say about the Black race after watching their animal like behavior in a church of all places.

That's one church they most likely never heard the word God used in its proper context versus inflamatory.

What pastor uses the lord's name in vain?

What a sick church which is made sick by the sickos attending it.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is the one keeping a solution from happening.She will not agree to anything because she does not want a solution. She wants a cause for her martyrdom.The eternal victim!

Posted by: coldcomfort | May 30, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Oh people don't you recognize a joke when you see one? There was nothing especially anti-PC about this priest's alternative to Saturday Night Live--he offered us instead "Sunday Morning Lite."

The man obviously missed his vocation and should be a stand-up comic who writes his own routines. An extraordinary talent as all must surely agree.

All the feigned reactions of shock and awe are false, the fact is the reason that Hillary Hotheads are so exercised is because the little act was the TRUTH and we all know it.

Nothing so infuriates an elite and her peasant crowd of supporters as a straight from the heart exposure of one's strategy and simple humanity.

Saint Hillary got it in spades(sic) from this Priest and we all know it and even her supporters had a belly laugh or two.

What I am waiting for is the Afro-American community to go after the man because he did such a marvelous black dialect in his presentation. But watching the folks in purple robes rolling in the aisles with high fives all around for sure the Priest was preaching to the choir.

All in all a classic keeper to remember this Democratic primary and why Hillary met her match this cycle.

Poor ole Hillary is dead politically but just doesn't know it. All that is left for her is the Samson option--will she or won't she?

Posted by: laughin | May 30, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

An unfortunate turn in the barrel once again started by a narcissist man of the cloth. Barack will emerge from the barrel just fine and soon as we get Hillary off the stage we can concentrate on the economy, the wars, our planet, womens wombs etc.

Mc Cain is still the weakest candidate and the Democrats will prevail. Time for all the spot light hogs to get off the stage so we can have an adult conversation in the is election.

Suppport Jim Webbs GI Bill

Barack and Roll in 2008!

Posted by: Pablo Lopez SSG, US ARMY | May 30, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

oldironstaff===afraid not communion breath. You bunch of "Christians" have to claim your own on the child molesting. There may be some good Christians out there , but way too many think that they are the only ones with a moral code/ They use their "Christianity" as a license to commit any number of sins. I hope the innocent true believing truly good people are not offended, but I have met way too many who can't wait to tell you they are a Christian and then proceed to do any number of amoral things I was raised to not do.

Posted by: majorteddy | May 30, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Thats ok majorteddy. I'm sure the priests who molstested those children were atheists also

Posted by: olironstaff | May 30, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

What does this really say about the Black race after watching their animal like behavior in a church of all places.

That's one church they most likely never heard the word God used in its proper context versus inflamatory.

What pastor uses the lord's name in vain?

What a sick church which is made sick by the sickos attending it.

Posted by: Chevy | May 30, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how the Catholic Church or anybody else expects Obama to control Father Phleger when the Catholic Church can't control any of its own ordained priests. Secondly, its OK to rape a child as many of the Catholic priests have done(while not a word was said by the same Catholic powers), but it's not OK to engage in politics.This is another good reason to be an atheist like myself.

Posted by: majorteddy | May 30, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

If anything to be learned from Scotty McCellahan book, it should be: cautious about people giving change speech. He said specifically that Bush ran on a platform to change Washington DC and Obama ran on a platfrom to change Washington DC. To quote Michelle Obama, "it ain't happening, it ain't goint to happen" So the lesson I learn is to pick someone that know the system very well and work to change from inside not change from outside. Dangerous!

Posted by: Kalli | May 30, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I was hoping the church would be left out of presidential politics this time around. Wasnt Holy George enough.

Posted by: hhkeller | May 30, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Race is a false issue set up by the secret manipulators. White, black, brown, blue, doesn't matter. All that matters is a person's soul, and most Americans, white, black and mixed, are seriously in rebellion against all natural law (with the promotion of sodomy, infanticide, etc.).

Posted by: George | May 30, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Catholic priests and Catholics as a whole are not only allowed but expected to view a candidate as a whole. Catholics are not one issue voters. Anti abortion but pro death penalty? anti abortion but pro war?
anti abortion but against helping the poor. against health care.?
see what I mean

Posted by: olironstaff | May 30, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

You white people crack me up! Calling Obama racist that's funny. I guess now you have a chance to freely say what you want by calling a Black man racist (WOW. I guess after hundreds of years protesting you fools and your racist remarks. We are not going to fall for it. Do try to use this as a turning point and twist this as another way to sabotage Obama to become President. You and I really know the truth. This is just another stone for you cowards to hide under.

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Posted by: ifvawu1902 | May 30, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Go to Michelle Malkin's website and see 1st hand Barack Obama church in full action goin absolutely nuts!!

Watch all the white america hating pastors and watch Barack's wife jumping up and down grabbing her crotch screaming GD America.

Thankd God all this crap is coming out showing what a racist Barry Obama is.

Did you know he changed his name from Barry, said it wasn't a black mans name

This racist is disgusting and it's just a matter of time before his chickens come, to roost

Posted by: chevy | May 30, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Will no one rid us of these troublesome priests?

Posted by: tom | May 30, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Father Pfleger's mean-spirited words were anything but Christian! Apparently, he has lost sight of himself as "another Christ." What a shame. He owes an apology, not only to Senator Clinton, but also to the legions of Roman Catholics whom he has offended.

Posted by: LCT in NYC | May 30, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

The Cardinal out to give the Priest a big promotion.

Posted by: Maddogg | May 30, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

The entire episode was hillarious. Joking about truth can be. Let the good times roll at Obama's church.

Posted by: Maddogg | May 30, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

The entire episode was hillarious. Joking about truth can be. Let the good times roll at Obama's church.

Posted by: Maddogg | May 30, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Pflegger wasn't talking politics, he was talking racism and sexism -- in that order. The fact that the archbishop doesn't remove Pflegger from any further preaching to anyone anywhere speaks volumes about the Catholic Church's typical response to all issues involving priests. (try to sweep it under the rug and hope no one notices).

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Aren't Catholic priests supposed to be against pro-choice candidates? Isn't the issue of abortion of fundamental importance to the Church? If so, how can Father Pfleger support Sen. Obama (or any pro-choice candidate for that matter)?

Posted by: Jan | May 30, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Aren't Catholic priests supposed to be against pro-choice candidates? Isn't the issue of abortion of fundamental importance to the Church? If so, how can Father Pfleger support Sen. Obama (or any pro-choice candidate for that matter)?

Posted by: Jan | May 30, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Could we please have an end to mixing ploiticcs and relgion!! As someone already wisely said this is why the Founding Fathers inisted they be seperated.

Posted by: toldyouso | May 30, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Aren't Catholic priests supposed to be against pro-choice candidates? Isn't the issue of abortion of fundamental importance to the Church? If so, how can Father Pfleger support Sen. Obama (or any pro-choice candidate for that matter)?

Posted by: Jan | May 30, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

An Obama Presidency Will Set Race Relations Back Decades

WE DO NOT ACCEPT OBAMAS POLITICAL DAMAGE APOLOGY!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H11x6bMu4Y

WHITE AMERICA SAY NO TO RACIST OBAMA, It's been proved with Rev Wright and confirmed with Pfleger he is racist! Once again he is connected with another so-called "preacher" at the so-called "church" TCC, which has proved to be a place to worship and spew hate against white Americans. WATCH THE VIDEO!!! Watch the blacks jumping up and down as the idiot Pfleger attacks white and the Former TWO TERM First Lady and WHITE WOMAN verbally. Once again in a so-called House of God. I think not. TCC is a racist radical group. Obama is not FIT to even be representing our country!!!!

SENATOR CLINTON SUPPORTERS ARE FURIOUS AND ALL WHITE VOTERS HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THE BIASED MEDIA EXCUSING RACIST ATTACKS AGAINST US. I URGE ALL TO BOYCOTT CNN AND MSNBC FOR MANIPULATING THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF OUR TIME!!!!

Just this Sunday Father Michael Pfleger (a longtime friend and associate of Senator Obama) mocked Hillary Clinton & AGAIN ATTACKED WHTE PEOPLE at Obama's church OF 20 PLUS YEARS.

"I really believe that she just always thought, 'This is mine! I'm Bill's wife, I'm white, and this is mine! I just gotta get up and step into the plate.' And then out of nowhere came, 'Hey, I'm Barack Obama,' and she said, 'Oh, damn! Where did you come from? I'm white! I'm entitled! There's a black man stealing my show! She wasn't the only one crying, there was a whole lot of white people crying!"


http://www.dontvoteobama.net

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

To the person who denied Senator Clinton has mocked Barack:

Do a search on the internet for this subject and among others, there is an article entitled "Hillary Clinton mocks Barack Obama during campaign rally," at the Huffington Post website.

Posted by: Independent | May 30, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

To the person who denied Senator Clinton has mocked Barack:

Do a search on the internet for this subject and among others, there is an article entitled "Hillary Clinton mocks Barack Obama during campaign rally," at the Huffington Post website.

Posted by: Independent | May 30, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Quoting from the above article:


"Saying he wanted "to avoid months of turmoil in the church," Cardinal Francis George also secured a promise from the Roman Catholic Rev. Michael L. Pfleger that he will stop commenting on presidential campaign and refrain from mentioning any candidates by name in the future."

This certainly sounds like trying to suppress freedom of speech. Reminds me of pro-slavery southern members of Congress who enacted the "gag rule," prohibiting discussion about slavery, strongly opposed by Representative John Quincy Adams.

The Catholic church may not endorse specific candidates in this country, but has a long history, especially in Latin America and Europe, of often supporting conservative or reactionary governments. Certain priests, on the other hand, have a long record of actively supporting various pro-labor, pro-human rights movements, especially in Latin America.

Posted by: Independent | May 30, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

God must not want Obama to have ANY chance of being elected. All of his "spokesmen" seem to be doing all they can to make sure of it. Before this I would have voted for either Democratic candidate to avoid another 4 years of Bush politics, I even ignored the Wright controversy. This changes things. Did you hear those pathetic people cheering this moron on? It appears that these types of hate-filled sermons are common at this "church". I hope the superdelegates hear us loud and clear - Obama stands no chance at all against McCain. Dems it's now Hillary or lose in November. Pay close attention to the last sentence of this story, "Pfleger also has made contributions to Obama (D-Ill.), and his church programs have received thousands of dollars in state earmarks championed by Obama when he was a state lawmaker."

Posted by: realist | May 30, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

This is a person who is emotionally unbalanced. He is really all about himself. If you do not get that watch the video again. He is an actor of the worst kind. His antics are so defamatory to Barack Obama as to be shocking. Does he hate Barack that much?
He should be defrocked if this is the kind of behaviors he regularly displays. A very sad person indeed. He surely does not deserve the title of reverend. His privileges should be removed from his church and he should be banished.

Posted by: Jeremiah | May 30, 2008 8:48 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting that this time the minister is white--how are you going to deal with it America?

This is what an AP story said about Pfleger: "He has hit the streets, sometimes with busloads of parishioners in tow, to protest Jerry Springer's television show, stores that sell drug paraphernalia and gun violence. He's been arrested for acts of civil disobedience, such as smearing red paint on alcohol and tobacco billboards."

I disagree with him on Farrakhan, but this is precisely the type of revolutionary behavior a true man of God would exhibit to protect his flock from sin. He has also suggested his parishioners pay addicts and prostitutes so that they will hear the gospel. Where are the African American ministers with this type of moxie?

While the press is criticizing him they might want to ask what McCain's and Hillary's ministers do. Probably nothing but talk. I bet their sermons are boring and weak. At least this Pfleger guy has something to say.

Posted by: faithfulservant3 | May 30, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

The entire episode was hillarious. Joking about truth can be. Let the good times roll at Obama's church.

Posted by: Maddogg | May 30, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Even if extreme, his comments appear to come from an honest concern for his community.

Posted by: Paul | May 30, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

In the same Biblical category as murder, defamation is also a serious sin--the remarks are not at all Christian. Neither is the emulation of Black preacher style. In the light of "by their fruits you shall know them," neither is this "priest."

Posted by: annum | May 30, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

The catholic church should get rid of this priest permanently.
I believe most of Obama's supporters hate white people.

Posted by: Ann | May 30, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

As a Roman Catholic, what this priest Pfleger said about Clinton should be reason for him to be thrown out of the Catholic Church. Priest should not endorse or support politican candidates. However, there always will be black sheep in every flock and he's definitely a black sheep in the priesthood.

By the way, the blogger who slammed the Church: Catholic Charaties is a great organization and helps all races, ages, etc. The donations they receive are seriously audited by lay people. My best friend is one of these lay people. Also the Church has an international charity which gives much aid to people in foreign countries, including the African countries, Indonesia. Don't knock it if you know nothing about it.

Posted by: Clyde Nugget | May 30, 2008 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Many Clinton supporters are in denial, much as the remaining supporters of Bush-Cheney policies are. Which newsstories received greater media attention/obsession: 1) the comments by Rev. Wright, 2) Barack's "bitter" omments, 3) Hillary's comments about being the candidate supported by "working class white" voters, 4) her ghoulish comments about RFK, 5) the attempts by the Clintons to change party rules they had previously agreed must be obeyed by all candidates?

Any impartial observer would agree the correct answers are 1 and 2. Most of the media, the Republicans and the Clinton campaign strongly criticized Barack in both instances. However, Senator Clinton has received far less continous attention or criticism for her offensive comments and actions, by the media, Republicans and the Obama campaign.

Senator Clinton has mocked Barack and this was shown on national television. I have seen some of her comments posted in other blogs at "The Washington Post" website.

Bush, Cheney, McCain and Hillary Clinton often strongly criticize anyone who disagrees with them or is a political opponent. However, they often become angry and very defensive when anyone criticizes them. Didn't Bill Clinton acknowledge this is how politics often is in this country and no one should whine about it?

Some in the Clinton campaign are seeking scapegoats for her defeat. This often happens in electoral contests, as well as during economic difficulties, in this and other countries.

Posted by: Independent | May 30, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

"And Obama won't apologize to Hillary Clinton for Pfleger's filthy stunt - sad indeed."

Why should Obama apologize for Pfleger?, Pfleger should be apologizing to Obama for acting like a self absorbed idiot.


Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Obama clearly should apologize for Pfleger's remarks. He should get on his knees and beg for Hillary's forgiveness. He's clearly the power behind Pfleger, and should be ashamed!

He should also apologize for the sexism in the media, the invasion of Iraq, the Hollywood writer's strike, and high price of oil.

Posted by: Matt | May 30, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Independent-

You made claims- now back them up- when exactly did Hillary "mock" or "belittle" Barak? In the fall he started saying that she lacks judgement- that she is part of the "old school", he has directly called her "whiny" and "emotional". Let's not even talk about what his advocates say about her? Give me a quote for what she said?

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa!

Bless you, Father, you have crossed the line.

It's over, now on with the show!

Reject Fear & Anger.
Embrace Hope & Dreams.
Live Free!

Posted by: Ricky Galileo | May 30, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

At this time in all the worlds problems, both of these pastors should be saving souls as Jesus says to do. We are not responsible for our fathers mistakes and must forgive them and not castigate the children.

Posted by: Barb | May 30, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

To the person who wrote: "Obama is planning major revolutionary changes to the American way of life - starting with hiring racists in the White House. People who vote for Obama are racists or just want to destroy the American way of life."

Racists in the White House will not be revolutionary, even if it were true.
The American way of life is at its historical core a racial and racist way of life that even today has not been washed away.
You do not know any more about the racial consciousness of "people who vote for Obama" any more than that Phleger guy knows Clinton's racial consciousness.
You might remember it was Bill Clinton who tried to dismiss Obama's early victories by comparing him to Jesse Jackson, as someone who would have only minor, passing success based on being black -- rather than on the merits of political skill and positioning. Clinton's comment very much was an expression of a presumptive white claim to the presidency.

Posted by: Darrent Bonnet, Portland, OR | May 30, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey Matt,
What kind of zipperhead remarks are those? You like Obama? You like the IDEA of Obama. This guy is a scam artist.

Posted by: D'Augustino | May 30, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Obama is unelectable. I know it, you know it, the whole world knows it. Capice? We all know what the real face of the Obama campaign is so why is everyone acting like he can keep this up through November? This is a trainwreck in slow motion.

Posted by: D'Augustino | May 30, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Leno and Letterman do this kind of thing every night.

They are unrelenting on McCain's age, Senator Larry Craig's bathroom antics - whatever is going on.

Leno has impersonators of Clinton and Obama that mock them unmercifully.

So, what's the big deal?

Posted by: Malama Makena | May 30, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

We ARE known by the company we keep and Obama has enjoyed blatant racists and sexists, for over 20 years no less. What a disgrace to an already seriously disgraced Roman Catholic Church Pfleger is and what a panderer also. He should be removed from his "priestly" office immediately but once again the dirt will most likely be swept under the carpet. Obama has played the race card since day one and how sad most Americans can't see it. But saddest of all is the reaction to these blatantly racist and sexist comments by the so called "christian" individuals that make up that congregation. Time to take all tax exempt status away from the nasty political hotbeds that hide behind religion. I saw the hypocrisy of most religions many years ago. Catch on America and demand they all be taxed like the rest of us. This lifelong Dem votes McCain in '08 if Obama gets the nomination.

Posted by: Fallen Away | May 30, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

This guy is a catholic priest?He sounds more like one of those typical Obama supporting racist misogynist haters.Catholic church needs to address this quickly and excommunicate this man if it wants any credibily restored.This is the last thing this church wants after all the recent scandals.

Posted by: Jane | May 30, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama got $100,000 for Pfleger's church.

He was featured on Obama's web site.

He campaigned for Obama in Iowa.

And Obama won't apologize to Hillary Clinton for Pfleger's filthy stunt - sad indeed.

Posted by: Fred C Dobbs | May 30, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Nobody seemed to mind when the Hirearcy of the Roman Catholic Church came out singing George Bush's tune as well as the Mega Evangelical congregations and preachers, A Pox on them all

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm Catholic.
Wait a minute.
Governor Kathleen Sebelius has been admonished by her archbishop and denied the right to Communion at Mass because she vetoed an anti-abortion bill?
And this priest (I almost said "guy") gets a slap on the wrist and a recognition that his politically scandalous display, of which the archbishop of Chicago said, "I regret that deeply."?
Pfleger PROMISED the archbishop that he would cease this rhetoric two weeks ago.
One week later, he's at it again?
The man needs to be removed from his post and sent off for an extended retreat to decide whether he wishes to continue in the practice of the priesthood after nationally embarrassing the reputation of the Church.
Or would he prefer to take off that collar permanently and become a politician?
Once out of clerical garb, I wonder how much national attention his disgraceful blather would attract?
My dear and precious (to me) Catholic Church in America better rethink this involvement on the national political stage.

Posted by: Judy-in-TX
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If I follow your argument, you're asserting that on one hand Rev. Pfleger had no right to insinuate himself in politics, but on the other, Archbishop Joseph Naumann in Kansas does? The Archbishop is extremely notorious as a participant at Republican gatherings and his overt politicization of his pastoral views is OK in your view? Is that perhaps only because his views are yours?

(For an interesting overview of Gov. Sebelius' battles, see http://www.catholicdemocrats.org/news/2008/05/conservatives_gear_up_again_to.php)

Posted by: abqcleve | May 30, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

that so called priest is probably hiding little boys in his rectory.

Posted by: jane | May 30, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

All Religious people are still EVIL!

Posted by: Jesus | May 30, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

True, you are judged by the company you keep. You don't need to travel to the Chicago church... just look at the Obama supporters who post here on WaPo.

Posted by: Golden810 | May 30, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Joseph McCarthy would feel vindicated, if he was still around. Guilt by association has become the norm in contemporary United States politics, especially among some in the media, Republicans and the Clinton camp.

Not many people seem to notice or care when Senator Clinton often mocks Barack, often belittling him and his candidacy. Just politics, right? However, if anyone mocks her, look out, this is considered by the Clinton supporters as being very offensive.

Senator Clinton has received many largely free passes during the campaign, including her comments about essentially being the "white" candidate and making unprecedented, disgusting comments about remaining a candidate because something bad might happen to her opponent. Does this have to do with her being a woman, by any chance? The most rabid Clinton supporters are in denial about the use of racism and guilt by association by her campaign. A Cheney-Clinton ticket would well represent their values and campaign tactics.

The most offensive comments from anyone this year have been Sharon Stone's comments about the human lives lost in the earthquake in China. Of course, this is a story hardly covered by the United States media.

Posted by: Independent | May 30, 2008 6:23 PM
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That is ridiculous, what a bunch of bull.. i am not a Hillary supporter by any means, but Obama is the one getting a free pass and anyone will tell you that who is not a die hard supporter of him. Republicans and Hillary supporters and neutral spectators will say the same.

And yes.. Sharon Stone is a piece of **** for what she said. What a despicable human being.

Hillary never said anything bad might happen to Obama, that is the most ludicrous thing i've seen here.. it was a pathetic attempt by Obama's campaign to draw sympathy to him, and brand her as a racist. She merely said that Kennedy was killed in June, and that was still during the primaries, so she doesnt understand why the primaries must stop earlier.

Posted by: Matt E | May 30, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm Catholic.
Wait a minute.
Governor Kathleen Sebelius has been admonished by her archbishop and denied the right to Communion at Mass because she vetoed an anti-abortion bill?
And this priest (I almost said "guy") gets a slap on the wrist and a recognition that his politically scandalous display, of which the archbishop of Chicago said, "I regret that deeply."?
Pfleger PROMISED the archbishop that he would cease this rhetoric two weeks ago.
One week later, he's at it again?
The man needs to be removed from his post and sent off for an extended retreat to decide whether he wishes to continue in the practice of the priesthood after nationally embarrassing the reputation of the Church.
Or would he prefer to take off that collar permanently and become a politician?
Once out of clerical garb, I wonder how much national attention his disgraceful blather would attract?
My dear and precious (to me) Catholic Church in America better rethink this involvement on the national political stage.

Posted by: Judy-in-TX | May 30, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Joseph McCarthy would feel vindicated, if he was still around. Guilt by association has become the norm in contemporary United States politics, especially among some in the media, Republicans and the Clinton camp.

Not many people seem to notice or care when Senator Clinton often mocks Barack, often belittling him and his candidacy. Just politics, right? However, if anyone mocks her, look out, this is considered by the Clinton supporters as being very offensive.

Senator Clinton has received many largely free passes during the campaign, including her comments about essentially being the "white" candidate and making unprecedented, disgusting comments about remaining a candidate because something bad might happen to her opponent. Does this have to do with her being a woman, by any chance? The most rabid Clinton supporters are in denial about the use of racism and guilt by association by her campaign. A Cheney-Clinton ticket would well represent their values and campaign tactics.

The most offensive comments from anyone this year have been Sharon Stone's comments about the human lives lost in the earthquake in China. Of course, this is a story hardly covered by the United States media.

Posted by: Independent | May 30, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

The reason the DNC wants to get the nomination over with as soon as possible is because they know that pretty soon, people will realize that Obama is planning major revolutionary changes to the American way of life - starting with hiring racists in the White House. People who vote for Obama are racists or just want to destroy the American way of life.

Posted by: Bob | May 30, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

...I really question Obama's ability to bring people together, judging by the company he keeps.

Posted by: John Cummings | May 30, 2008 5:51 PM
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May I suggest broadening your sample size before making a definitive judgment on this question? If I may offer myself as an example, I share very little of the good Father's perspective, but, like him, I support Obama. Obama's candidacy has, therefore, succeeded in bringing together two very different people who think he has the right perspective and policies with which to move this country out of the morass it's in.

Posted by: abqcleve | May 30, 2008 6:04 PM
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You may uggest it, but i personnally won't broaden my sample size when the ONLY three "spiritual advisors" laid out by Obama have alllll been caught performing these hate filled racist tirades. So, yeah, i'm pretty sure he keeps lousy company.. These were his three "spiritual advisors" that he called out specifically until Rev. Wright's controversy broke .. not when Rev Wright made the comments, but years later when everyone passed it around the mainstream media.

Posted by: Matt E | May 30, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

The DNC should be completely humiliated by their racist choice in Obama. No one can sit in a racist environment unless they want to be there - let alone for 20 years. Obama is racist and that is why he has racist associations, terrorist associations that want to destroy America - and Obama has promised to CHANGE the comfort which he believes Americans don't deserve - who in the world would vote for Obama unless s/he is a racist too?

Posted by: Nancy | May 30, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

You are always judged by the company you keep.

That is why Obama will never get my vote.

Posted by: Carroll
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And, pray tell, based on the broad circles of "company" kept by Clinton, McCain, Barr and Paul, who would get your vote?

Posted by: abqcleve | May 30, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Another truth-telling father of the Church.

But...have to admit, his "performance" was quite humorous. Can't change the fact that the Clintons thought that they were entitled.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

You are always judged by the company you keep.

That is why Obama will never get my vote.

Posted by: Carroll | May 30, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse


Very untimely for catholics for another reason. The Pope threatened excommunication to some nuns performing priestly duties and now this loser priest n Chicago disses women ( guess what the priest does a tnight)

Not a good day for women in the catholic church either.

who else is on the so called catholic advisory to a protenstant anti white church goer.

Posted by: JohnAdams1 | May 30, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

...I really question Obama's ability to bring people together, judging by the company he keeps.

Posted by: John Cummings | May 30, 2008 5:51 PM
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May I suggest broadening your sample size before making a definitive judgment on this question? If I may offer myself as an example, I share very little of the good Father's perspective, but, like him, I support Obama. Obama's candidacy has, therefore, succeeded in bringing together two very different people who think he has the right perspective and policies with which to move this country out of the morass it's in.

Posted by: abqcleve | May 30, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Here we go again.........Barack Hussein's family and friends are racist, radical extremists and sexist, and can not help themselves expressing their hate for America and non-black Americans.

Barack Hussein has developed close relationships over most of his life with individuals and organizations that practice their religion of hate towards white men and women and are pursuing a black supremacist ideology and destruction of America.

Barack is really a TROJAN HORSE, he seems innocent and presents an image of peace and unification, BUT as we now know, he is hollow and hides within a group of extremists waiting for the night, to come out of their hiding and destroy our country.
See what their true agenda is: blackradicalcongress.org.

Here we go again............We can be fooled once, twice, but we can not be fooled all the time!

Hillary or McCain is the only choice for americans that love and are proud of America!

Posted by: Manolete | May 30, 2008 4:14 PM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Obviously you were not a witness to the racial segregation in this country, or civil rights abuses and racial criminality that ran through every facet of American society during the first 2/3rds of the 20th Century.

You did not witness the beatings and shootings and lynching of Black Americans throughout the south --- you were never directed to the special rest rooms and drinking fountains reserved for Negros Only.

Perhaps you did not witness the racial intolerance of our law enforcement officials (and not just in the Deep South) that extends to this very day. And, it is likely that you were never turned down for higher education or life insurance, or a mortgage because of the color of your skin.

Well, this country has come a very long way from those days ---things are definitely much better....but many folks still look the other way, or do not wish to be reminded of continuing injustice -- it angers them -- as it seems to have angered you.

Here is a thought for you to consider ---the racial injustice that befouled our great country DID NOT cease automatically.

It took lots of people - mostly black, but with lots of white support, to change us from what we were to a better condition today. Many of those people are still here....they are still alive --and they have not forgotten what it was like before.

Were I you, I would stop for a moment in your angry rants about one courageous man, and think about the tens of millions of Americans who are ready to see great improvement in racial equality codified in the Office of President during their lifetimes.

As regards the instant case, remember that not everyone moves through massive social change at the same pace. Some angry segregationists and some equally intolerant civil rights advocates are still wedged into the trenches of the 1960s. We need to bring them around for the good of this country....our children and grand children deserve nothing less.


Posted by: GandalftheGrey | May 30, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

HMM..four years ago the pope told us we should not vote for any AMERICAN politician who was not anti-abortion. Now Caedinal George would rather spend his time denouncing a preist who fights bigotry. I thing popes and cardinals should spend more of their time addressing preist who have a bigger problem than race and abortion....

Posted by: Confused Catholic | May 30, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Religious leaders shouldn't be banned from speaking on politics. That's not what the separation of church and state is about - that stops religious priorities from becoming the state's.

If enough people

1960 was nasty, but this is a mess with all sorts of denominations, creeds, and a now-vocal atheist contingent (I consider myself an atheist, although I become ashamed at provoking offense as one) mixed up in the fray.

Both Obama and Clinton (but mostly Obama, I'd say, especially given his apparent position of leadership) have failed to reach across the aisle to the other members of their own party.

Clinton has made many correct statements that prove divisive as they can't be adequately parsed in the media's sound bite grist mill, and Obama gave up on half the electorate and has flailed wildly about to properly distance himself from those he was close to for years - and I find his loudest, staunchest, supporters trolling the blogs continually obnoxious and they seem ready to toss not only Hillary Clinton but her supporters to McCain as undesired votes.

If anything, Obama should be thankful Clinton has highlighted what segments of the population he needs support from.

The 2008 election will indeed be historic - we'll elect the oldest man to the White House yet (not that I mind this, given McCain's vitality at his age, but I'd rather have seen a Democrat).

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

The media's handling of the original Wright contraversey, is the cause of this one. The TUCC congregation lashed back at a solid month of defamations in the only way it could, by celebrating the personally vindictive, cynical remarks of a visiting white pastor from another Christian faith. Pleger's timing and choice of venue is also suspicious, 1 week before the last democratic primaries. Not sure if his anger got the better of him or he was paid off.
But a repeat performance was clearly done for media consumption.

The unregulated corporate media is destroying this democracy and many of you are rewarding them for it.

Posted by: Young Atheart | May 30, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

I hear these kinds of comments and worry about the type of people Obama surrounds himself with. This guy - a PRIEST, no less - makes fun of Sen. Clinton and essentially goes on a racist rant, with churchgoers egging him on! How sad. I really question Obama's ability to bring people together, judging by the company he keeps.

Posted by: John Cummings | May 30, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

It's not only what this idiot Pastor was saying but also the reaction of the crowd who thought what he was saying was the funniest thing they've heard..
This is only more proof that Obama supporters not only hate Republicans but also hate Clinton supporters... Obama great uniter.. try great DIVIDER!!!
If Obama is elected he will divide this country like never before... Better off having McCain for 4 years than living with the disaster that Obama will bring.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

I finally get it! In 2000 and 2004 I didn't understand how the rest of the world didn't see what I saw- and along with the rest of the "educated" populace- I felt bad for the people "voting against their own interests"

Now I sit here, a leftist activist since 1984 at age 13- and understand. As a HRC supporter (one of 17.1 million who voted for her in the primaries, withing a few thousand of the amount that voted for BHO) I have been labeled in broad strokes a racist, ignorant, as if I don't "get it", etc. It is very patronizing- and then I look back and I was on the other side of this with Kerry and Gore; I realize that I was the one looking down on others.

I have to say, being on the other side, there is little that is more annoying or is less likely to make you friends than being patronizing. For example, saying that bitter working class people turn to god and guns is really saying "I know better than you"...Saying that Reverand Wright was "speaking truth to power" when he claimed the US govt. created AIDS and crack to hold AAs down and that those of us who are offended by Obama's 20 year relationship with the guy- including the book name, marraige, baptisms, blessing the candidacy and calling him a spiritual mentor and someone who helped guide the course of his life- and that those of us who don't like this association are stuck in trivialities- it's patronizing.

Asserting that people who vote for her are not voting on the fact that she has more experience, has a record of crossing the aisle (as oppossed to him and his "new unity"- he has crossed the aisle 2x of substance in his 2 active and 1 inactive years in the senate), has a deeper policy knowledge and more ambitious policy proposals, and has a voting record exactly equivalent of his during their overlapping years in the senate- is insulting- as a matter of fact- when a truly progressive candidate existed, who happened to be AA in 1988 (Jackson), I worked for the campaign. I percieve this guy as all cart and no donkey, that is why I voted for her.

Now as a leftist who thinks that Republican is a dirty word- I will vote and even work for Barak this cycle if he is the nominnee- which is very likely- however, it is isolating and difficult to be constantly under attack for my choices, which are based on thought and principle. I understand the many people who are not political geeks or leftists but who lean toward "Democratic principles" who are turned off by the incredible patronization.

I finally understand- I hope that the Dem party catches on and changes it's perspective a little bit before the election. We can't afford to lose this one.

Leon

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

PHILADELPHIA,
Congratulations, you have won the "most vile creature" on this board award. Keep up the good work.


PS Don't forget to take your meds.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

How surprising that Pfleger was a member of Obama's National Catholic Advisory Council. Barry proclaims himself to be a uniter, but has too many friends who are dividers.

Posted by: Jack Straw | May 30, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

HOORAY! WE A RE FINALLY HAVING A PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON RACE!! THE CHURCH!! WOMEN IN POLITICS AND IDENTIFIABLE MINORITIES IN POLITICS!!!
I APPLAUD REVEREND PFLEDGER FOR HIS APPEARANCE AT THAT CHURCH. HIS CHARACTERIZATION OF HILLARY IS GREAT AND TRUE. HE IS A TALENTED PREACHER. I DID NOT REALIZE ROMAN CATHOLICS WERE SO EMOTIONAL.
I WISH HE HAD GIVEN US HIS IMPRESSION OF BILL CLINTON'S ATTACKS ON OBAMA. REALLY, IF HILLARY HAD DONE AS WELL AS OBAMA I DONOT THINK WE WOULD HEAR ALL OF THIS MESS ABOUT THE RACE. PEOPLE UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF FREE THINKING VOTER! GOOD BYE CLINTONS!!!!!

Posted by: PHILADELPHIA | May 30, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

This Priest is NOT a Priest by his own manner. I NEVER ever have heard a Priest MOCK anyone!!!!

THIS IS AN INSULT TO ALL CATHOLIC AMERICANS!!!!

NO TO OBAMA!

Posted by: Steve | May 30, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm not of Spanish heritage but it should be noted that while the Spanish colonial empire abused both native Americans and Blacks, that the racial policies in territories taken from Spain (Florida and Texas) both essentially to expand slavery showed worse bigotry against blacks, both slave and free than in the Spanish colonial days. Of course that was done in the times when good Christians didn't share the theology of the Reverend Hagee toward the Catholic Church-- they just burned down their churches and convents. I might add that slave trade dollars funded a lot of things in the north, including the money behind Brown University as part of the three way slaves for sugar for rum triangular trade from Africa to the West Indies to New England.And not to sound like Monty Python, but the first slaves to James town came in from the Dutch who were involved in the slave trade as much as just about everyone else in Europe.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | May 30, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Correction:
"The problem with MANY people in this world, whether they're black, white, hispanic, male, female, young, and old, whatever, is that they truly have never never heard the gospel of Jesus the Christ"
Posted by: The Gospel Truth | May 30, 2008 2:53 PM

Did it ever occur to you that MANY people did and don't buy the fairy tale? Who appointed anyone to educate anyone on how to think and what to believe?

Thanks but I am truly capable of thinking for myself without divine guidance from anyone whose entire life is stilted and unable to see another view point.

Posted by: RetCombatVet | May 30, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Jenny | May 30, 2008 3:54 PM

Where has Rev Pfleger and other catholic priests been since the '80s when jobs started being outsourced, and nothing was done to help those citizens? The catholic church has sat silently back, counting their profits. There is no place for the hatred and racism of men like Rev. Wright, or the hatred and corruption of men like Rev. Pfleger. I believe both of them owe their congregations and the wider public sincere apologies.. both should also humble themselves before God.


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Although I appreciate your righteous indignation, you really don't know what you are talking about here.

When the white Irish Catholics moved to the suburbs in the 1970s, the Archdiocese of Chicago tried to close St. Sabina, where Father Pleger's was the new pastor. Only black people were left in that parish. He and his parishoners have kept that church open since 1975.

Pleger's parish is a very moral and socially active church.

Posted by: Anadromous2 | May 30, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

ALL religious figures should be BANNED from speaking on politics.

Oh wait - they are!

I'm an Obama supporter for total separation of Church and State as called for under the constitution!

No voter guides in church!

No discussions of candidates in church!

No discussion of the campaign trail in church!

None. Zip. Zero.

What can we discuss in church? God. Being a better person. Repentance. Forgiveness. Charity. Exercizing our god-given rights as humans. Paying off the church bonds. Sunday school issues. The Bible.

Notice that "presidential campaigns" aren't on the list?

I can say "Vote Obama in '08!"

But a preacher should not.

Posted by: JBE | May 30, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm wondering if Father Lisante who spoke at a Republican rally in New York City which Guiliani attended will receive similar criticism in New York. It appears that he does not have a ministry to the poor. What Pfleger said is essentially the reverse of the ranting by Geraldine Ferraro that Obama is only succeeding because he's black. The removal of race and religions that mutually aspire to the creed of hate your neighbor but don't forget to say grace would be a giant step for American politics and give a meaning to the no religious test for public office found in our Constitution which is what our elected officials swear or affirm to uphold. Or as another King said, why can't we just get along.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | May 30, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

This whole Pastor issue with Obama and McCain serves only to illuminate the wisdom of our founding fathers who knew that separation of church and state was vital to the survival of both.

Posted by: NM Moderate | May 30, 2008 4:42 PM
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Good to know there is at least one rational person here!

Posted by: Joel | May 30, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Religious people are EVIL!

Posted by: Jesus | May 30, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I don't condone what Pfleger said (and priests are not in fact supposed to mention candidates by name), but the villification of Wright by Fox certainly explains a bit of bitterness by a colleague, and the subject wasn't Hillary, but rather white entitlement, which is worth discussing (without the parody of Hillary - or with, it certainly was an example). Beyond that, it is simply ridiculous that Obama has to explain, defend or even comment on silly things said by a friend of a former pastor, even if he was on a catholic advisory committee until two weeks ago.

Posted by: JoeT | May 30, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

The Christian racists will come out in full force this election season.

Watch and be horrified by the hypocrites.

Turn the cameras and the microphones on.

We are watching VERY closely.

Just watch and see the genuine ignorance of real America.

Posted by: PV | May 30, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

This whole Pastor issue with Obama and McCain serves only to illuminate the wisdom of our founding fathers who knew that separation of church and state was vital to the survival of both.

Posted by: NM Moderate
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Spoken like a true Nuevo Mexicano! Amen, er, Bravo!

Posted by: abqcleve | May 30, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

This whole Pastor issue with Obama and McCain serves only to illuminate the wisdom of our founding fathers who knew that separation of church and state was vital to the survival of both.

Posted by: NM Moderate | May 30, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

the saddest part of this story is that the audience wildly applauded this insane speech and the new Rev Moss praised and thanked him for it ... and sad too, is that Obama put his children in this racist and divisive church!!

Posted by: Cassandra Washington | May 30, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Frank Question to Obama supporters -

What other hidden skeletons you have in your closet ? And when can we expect to have them out in the open?

Posted by: Ash | May 30, 2008 4:23 PM
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MY skeletons are, of course, of no possible interest or relevance to anyone other than my wife!

Assuming you mean, "what skeletons of Obama's are you supporters hiding and when will you reveal them?" I'm only authorized to say those will be revealed on Halloween.

What an idiotic question.

Posted by: abqcleve | May 30, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Wow!

Obama and Hillary apologize for something every week!

It's like the apology of the week!

Imagine the apologies you'd have to hear if either were elected.

Posted by: DaTourist | May 30, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

the true racists are people like obama ...

he was raised white but plays black victim
he hangs out with and is mentored by those who use race to spread hate.

Posted by: | May 30, 2008 4:32 PM

..and then there are people like this one who are willfully ignorant no matter what information is made available to them. Sad.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

The fact that they cannot get dirt of Obama himself says a lot about the guy. This is a 46 years old man who has done nothing that what is right. So the clinton machine and RNC said: let's see how about the people he knows. This is no Bill Clinton: The problem was not that he knew someone who was a womanizer; he was the womanizer. The problem was not that he knew someone who lied under oath; he was the one lying under oath. The problem was not that he knew someone who had been disbared(kick out of the legal community); he himself was disbarred. See?

Posted by: carl29 | May 30, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

The Cardinal's action is a joke. This "priest" should be booted out of the church immediately showing zero tolerance for this kind of evil, despicable conduct.

Posted by: crat3 | May 30, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

the true racists are people like obama ...

he was raised white but plays black victim
he hangs out with and is mentored by those who use race to spread hate.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I am an Obama supporter, and I do believe we need to have a discussion on the issues, race being one of them. There is no place for the hatred and racism of men like Rev. Wright, or the hatred and corruption of men like Rev. Pfleger. I believe both of them owe their congregations and the wider public sincere apologies.. both should also humble themselves before God.

Posted by: Jenny | May 30, 2008 3:54 PM

*applause*

If nothing else this campaign has forced people to think honestly about these issues...and while it's bound to bring a lot of ugliness to the surface, it's also going to be a learning opportunity for a lot of people who wouldn't otherwise have gotten the exposure.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Frank Question to Obama supporters -

What other hidden skeletons you have in your closet ? And when can we expect to have them out in the open?

Posted by: Ash | May 30, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I didn't need to hear a crazy guy saying it out loud. Of course that Hillary was not crying for the "little guy" in New Hampshire. Did someone believed so? Well, yes, there are naive people in the world. Hillary thought that this nomination was hers way before one ballot had been cast. Her strategists admit that her campaign was an incumbent's campaign. Who is an incumbent? Someone who already has the post. She entered the game thinking that she was the nominee.

Posted by: carl29 | May 30, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Jeremiah Wright eat your heart out. The good father is only speaking the truth about Hillary. Imagine if Obama or McCain cried, would the sister-hood have rallied behind them? Hell No!!!

You so-called experts will never understand Chicago Politics and Religion. The candle burns at both ends. Whites and Blacks speak like this in the pulpit.

Posted by: Antoine | May 30, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Major "take-away" from watching the performance of Herr Pfleger: Black Racisim is just as ugly as White Racisim.....

Posted by: Joser | May 30, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

FINALLY!
A senior Catholic churchman actually takes a position!

Posted by: Bellarmine | May 30, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

The reality is this, that sin, cruelty, greed, lust and hatred are universal, across all races and ethnicities.

When Reverend Wright inferred that slavery was the original sin of the United States, he was being disingenuous. Slavery wasn't invented in the US, in fact, it originated in the Arab world, Egypt, Africa and the east. Africans were selling their own people to their Arab trading partners, and when their trading partners, the Spanish had finished committing genocide against the native peoples of what is now called "Latin America", inspired by their Arab trading partners, the Spanish invented the trans-Atlantic slave trade. They bought African slaves, from Africans. They shipped them to "Latin America", and in fact to the south eastern US, later to the rest of the US colonies. This was a big business to the Spanish aristocrats, and many of them were rewarded with land grants by the Spanish crown. There is a man in the US senate, whose formerly aristocratic family made so much money for themselves and the Spanish crown, they were given a huge land grant in what is now the US. Senator Ken Salazar, a democrat.

Having white skin doesn't given you power, or a sense of entitlement. Poor whites, as well as poor blacks in the US have no power. Affluent people, black as well as white ignore and even exploit that poverty. Where were the black television executives after hurricane Katrina? They sat silently by and refused to demand the media do more intensive reports on the poverty that exists among citizens all across the country. They are as given to the lust of more profits as their white counterparts.

Where has Rev Pfleger and other catholic priests been since the '80s when jobs started being outsourced, and nothing was done to help those citizens? The catholic church has sat silently back, counting their profits. Since Bush gave churches tax dollars to take over "social service" programs, they church suddenly found they could recognize the issues of poverty, but there's still a catch to that. The only poor people they recognize are illegal aliens.

While ministers and priests live high on the hog, like princes, poor citizens are fired from their jobs, and they are given to illegals. Citizens and their children, again, black, brown and white lose their homes, are evicted from their apartments, go hungry, go without access to health care, and do sicken and die.

When they speak out in their own defense, they are slandered and abused, especially by these so called religious leaders.. who feel the need to demonize them, so as not to endanger the government funded gravy train they ride on.

There was a reason Christ warned his followers not to put priests on pedastels, because they, as humans, are as prone to sin as any of us. No less above sin, greed, cruelty and a blind lust for power. Christ encouraged his followers to question and even criticize corrupt priests, ministers, rabbis, etc.. because they are not above us, nor are they allowed to pretend to be.

It's no wonder that children lose faith in religion when you see so called men of the cloth acting hypocritically, violating their religous oaths, even violating Christ's teachings.

By the way, I am an Obama supporter, and I do believe we need to have a discussion on the issues, race being one of them. There is no place for the hatred and racism of men like Rev. Wright, or the hatred and corruption of men like Rev. Pfleger. I believe both of them owe their congregations and the wider public sincere apologies.. both should also humble themselves before God.

Posted by: Jenny | May 30, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

...and nothing says "credibility" like typing in all caps. (That's to distract you from all those pesky facts they're ignoring.)

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's tears in New Hampshire are nothing compared to the tears she will shed when she realizes that her future is nothing more than a life spent with Bill without Huma. There is a just God.

Posted by: Hillary Girl | May 30, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Pretty soon, no presidents or candidates should go to any church or just go to a church with a mute minister.

Why are we bringing back McCarthyism?
Everybody should be able to speak their mind if we want to remind the leader of the free world.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

FOX is showing a clip that includes the "Rev" saying "A Whole Lot of White People are Mad Too."

- while MSNBC's clip STOPS just short of that remark. Is MSNBC Omitting that remark because it provides fresh evidence and so Sharply Highlights the major CAUSE of Obama's ELECTABILITY PROBLEM; VOTERS are mad about Obama attending a racist church for 20 years?

CHANGE NOBODY CAN BELIEVE IN:

Obama Supporters, Please Tell Us HOW Obama can WIN a Presidential Election, WHEN the TV MEDIA Starts REPORTING THIS--REAL--INDISPUTABLE---Newspaper NEWS:

Obama's whole campaign is based on
ONE BIG LIE:
***CHANGE***
He didn't make.

Obama claims 7 years experience in the Illinois legislature - Working Across the Aisles, Bringing people together to get good CHANGES passed -as exemplified by 26 good bills with his name on them.

A Chicago reporter says all 26 bills were passed in ONE Year and they were NOT Obama's.

http://wweek.com/editorial/3418/10516/

EXCERPTS:
But what's interesting, and almost never discussed, is that he built his entire legislative record in Illinois in a single year.

Republicans controlled the Illinois General Assembly for six years of Obama's seven-year tenure.

Then Emil Jones Jr. (became the Senate Majority leader), He became Obama's kingmaker. Jones appointed Obama sponsor of virtually every high-profile piece of legislation, angering many rank-and-file state legislators who had more seniority than Obama and had spent years championing the bills.

During his seventh year in the state Senate, Obama ... sponsored a whopping 26 bills including many he now cites in his presidential campaign when attacked as inexperienced.

Working Across the Aisles/
Making CHANGES = ZILCH

Taking Credit for Other People's Work/
INTEGRITY = ZERO

(Obama's book "Audacity ..." Shows:
Democrats had Majority Control of the Illinois Senate when those bills were passed. They were passed during his last year in the state Senate.)

QUOTING OBAMA:
"After two terms during which I labored in the minority, Democrats had gained control of the state senate, and I had subsequently passed a slew of bills, from reforms of the Illinois death penalty system to an expansion of the state's health program for kids. I had continued to teach at the University of Chicago Law School, a job I enjoyed, and was frequently invited to speak around town."

The Rev. in Obama's most recent Rev. controversy - in his "sermon" ridiculing Senator Clinton said: "A Whole Lot of White People are Mad Too." He's right about that; a whole lot of people viewed Obama's 20 year attendance at a RACIST church as an indication of his own outlook -resulting in him becoming not very popular with the VOTERS at the polls. Given fresh evidence of the racist hateful, nature of Obama's church - it's Obvious that he's UNELECTABLE.

Posted by: elme | May 30, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I was embarrassed to see and hear a catholic priest speak the way Pflegler did. to endorse a candidate I believe, is inappropriate, to say the least.

Posted by: marinel | May 30, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

At least this Cardinal has a little sense. That priest made a complete fool of himself--trying to talk black, mocking a woman. Sadly, I'm not surprised. I've come to expect this type stupidity from Obama supporters.

Posted by: Sharon | May 30, 2008 3:16 PM


Excuse me? "trying to talk black"? I think that remark is more telling of you than of the priest...

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

At least this Cardinal has a little sense. That priest made a complete fool of himself--trying to talk black, mocking a woman. Sadly, I'm not surprised. I've come to expect this type stupidity from Obama supporters.

Posted by: Sharon | May 30, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Pfleger needs to be excommunicated. He can then join The Church of Obama.

Posted by: Aussie2020 | May 30, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Mr Pfleger sounds like a typical Obama supporter.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 30, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Correction:
The problem with MANY people in this world, whether they're black, white, hispanic, male, female, young, and old, whatever, is that they truly have never never heard the gospel of Jesus the Christ. And for many of us who have WE certainly don't act like it. This is nothing new and you have seen nothing yet. However, if you want some help in understanding what's going on today read the Book of Jeremiah and see why God called him even though there were other Priest.

Posted by: The Gospel Truth | May 30, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

The problem with MANY people in this world, whether there're black, white, hispanic, male, female, young, and old, whatever, is that they truly have never never heard the gospel of Jesus the Christ. And for many of us who have WE certainly don't act like it. This is nothing new and you have seen nothing yet. However, if you want some help in understanding what's going on today read the Book of Jeremiah.

Posted by: The Gospel Truth | May 30, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

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