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Clinton, in Her Element


Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton waves to supporters as she takes the stage at a rally in Hendersonville, N.C., May 2, 2008. (Associated Press)

By Dan Balz
KINSTON, N.C. -- The time is short and so her days are long. Most begin very early in the morning. They almost always stretch late into the night. Rallies. Town hall meetings. Small gatherings. Rope lines. Local interviews. Network heavies. Hotel arrivals after midnight. It is an endless rotation, repeated over and over and over again.

Hillary Clinton heads into yet another pre-primary weekend knowing the script by heart. Back to the wall. Running out of options. Needing a victory. Her slim hopes of winning the Democratic nomination depend on victories -- and more. She needs Barack Obama to stumble, again. She needs superdelegates to start swinging back in her direction. She needs to overtake her rival in the popular vote. She needs a break on Florida and Michigan.

But at this point in the long race, Clinton has found a groove, pushing forward relentlessly, demonstrating with each stop that she will not yield until she is finally defeated.

She has throttled back on some of the hot rhetoric that marked her closing days before the Ohio primary. She is less pure fighter than she was in Ohio. But she is no less resilient or determined. North Carolina Gov. Mike Easely, who has endorsed her candidacy, said Friday morning Clinton is "as tough as a lighter knot," a regionalism that refers to the hardest spots on a piece of pine wood. That brought a smile from the candidate.

Clinton has found a home -- and a potentially receptive audience -- among rural Democrats. The rural strategy worked to precision in Ohio, where she swept virtually everything outside the big cities. Her Indiana and North Carolina schedules reflect the same approach. Small towns. Middle-class and working-class. Older voters. Women.

In Ohio they had seen the worst that economic upheaval can deliver and she played to their plight. In Indiana and North Carolina, she is focused on the strain almost every working family is feeling now, touching whatever chords she can with her audiences.

In Indiana on Thursday, surrounded by daughter Chelsea and mother Dorothy Rodham, she spoke at length about concerns that women and parents have. In Kinston Friday morning, she talked agriculture and the programs she helped organize in upstate New York to help growers find markets for their products.

Her core message, as she says now repeatedly, is "jobs, jobs, jobs." Her secondary message is that she delivers. "When I tell you I'll do something, I'll do it, or move heaven and earth" trying, she said. And there is also a heavy dose of reassurance that she will be a president who will represent the needs of working families.

That, above all else, is what lies behind her proposal to suspend the gasoline tax this summer and slap a windfall profits tax on the oil companies to pay for it. "I want the Congress to stand up and vote," she said Friday. "Are they for the oil companies or are they for you?"

Congress may never come close to answering that question, given the opposition of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, but that is of no matter to Clinton. She only wants voters in Indiana and North Carolina to know where she stands.

The pace can be punishing but she offers few public signs of the exhaustion she and Obama must feel. There is an occasional scratchy voice. When it struck Thursday in Indiana, she turned the microphone over to her daughter for a detailed recitation of how her health care plan would help a woman in the audience who was injured on the job.

Clinton attacks the rope line with more gusto than her husband, who invented the genre in modern campaigns. Methodically moving along the metal security barriers, she signs endless autographs on everything imaginable -- placards, scraps of paper, photos, books. "Ha Ha! Hillary," she scrawled in large letters on the T-shirt of one young man in Terre Haute.

She roared when someone asked her to sign a placard that read, "I've got a crush on Hillary." She laughed even harder over a T-shirt worn by another man with Bill Clinton's likeness superimposed over a painting of Jesus. She signed boxing gloves -- one red and the other pink -- and posed endlessly for photos.

The rope line in Terre Haute late Thursday was dominated by women of all ages, who are as passionate in their support of Clinton as Obama supporters are for their candidate. "I'm going to pray for her everyday and this country, because we're in trouble, said Linda Nicoson, who was wearing a T-shirt plastered with Hillary buttons.

Asked what she though of Obama, she said, "I don't think he knows enough about the country. We can promise anything, but until we get in the White House we can't do anything, and he doesn't know what's behind closed doors. That woman does."

A few feet farther along, 85-year-old Martha Love waited to pose with Clinton. "I think she's got more up here" -- she pointed to her head -- than anybody we've had yet," she said. Her daughter Janet beamed. "Mom's as strong [for Hillary] as anybody could be," she said.

This is Kentucky Derby week and there were many references to the horserace as Clinton campaigned in southern Indiana and across the border in Louisville, Ky., where one sign at her headquarters said, "Clinton in a Derby Mile," and another said, "I'm bettin' on the filly." The candidate picked up on the theme. "I just wish I could be here for the Derby," she said. "Chelsea's going to be here. I want everybody to place a little money on the filly."

That is still a bet with long odds. But Clinton makes clear every day she intends to run the race to the finish line.

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uuuuu, cause catching up is hard to dooooo

Posted by: eljefejesus | May 6, 2008 2:42 AM | Report abuse

Can Clinton clinch North Carolina? She IS supposed to be catching up, you know...

They will want to throw the bumbs out given the economy and the wars, no more clintons, no more bush, no more dynasties' dirty looks.

Posted by: eljefejesus | May 6, 2008 2:42 AM | Report abuse

I just want to reply to the comment posted by "Darrell" by saying that I am with you all the way,I will be voting for Hillary Clinton on May 20th when Kentucky holds our primary.I hope she wins in every state that hasn't voted yet.North Carolina will be her biggest challenge,but Hillary is a fighter and she has proven that she won't back down from any challenge.My 25 year old daughter got me interested in this primary by talking to me constantly about why she supports Hillary.I was a John Edwards supporter then when he dropped out I didn't really know who I would vote for.But after listening to what Hillary has to say about the issues,I realized I would be a fool not to support this woman.As a man,it is hard for me to admit it but she is smarter than any of the men I have voted for over the past 30 years.I do intend to vote for John McCain in the general election if Hillary is denied this nomination.There is no way I will ever vote for Barack Obama.I am a christian and I have heard the angry ranting of his pastor,Rev.Wright,and there is no way I could vote for a man who sat in the pews of that church for 20 years and says he never heard these angry anti-american sermons.I would never let my kids or grandson sit in a church that believes it's o.k to scream "GOD DAM* AMERICA".I have also noticed how rude and negative some of his supporters are.Like the one who posted the comments that Kentucky and W.Virginia are not states,that we are the armpits of the U.S.A.,but I also noticed whoever posted those comments didn't have the nerve to post his or her name,or even make up a fake one.That looks like a coward to me.I guess whoever posted those comments is un-educated,as they like to call those of us who support Hillary. Ky is a state I am proud to call home.Maybe that Obama supporter has never heard of Fort Knox,Mammoth Cave,The Kentucky Derby,or the Kentucky Wildcats just to name a few well known places or events in Ky.I guess the Obama supporter who left those comments doesn't know Ky.was the birthplace of Pres.Abraham Lincoln,but they probably know it is the birthplace of Miley Cyrus(Hannah Montana).I hope every person in Ky.,W.Virginia,and Puerto Rico has read those nasty comments and cast their vote for the ONLY hope the democrats have of winning the general election,that is Hillary Clinton.I also wanted to reply to another comment posted by an Obama supporter who said that Hillary is the reason we are paying 4.00 for a gallon of gas;maybe they were in diapers in the 90's and don't remember how low gas prices were under Bill Clinton.Gas prices are 3 times higher now than they were under Bill Clinton,I remember gas getting as low as .95 cents.Hillary wants to help lower gas prices right now by supporting the gas tax holliday,which Obama is against.He says it will only save 28.00,well that is 28.00 more we would have in our wallets.If they don't give us a break on gas during the summer then people will be paying 5.00 a gallon by labor day.To all of those in Indiana and N.Carolina,all we have to do is listen to these 2 candidates and the solution is clear,let's all vote for the candidate who can win in November,let's all vote for the candidate who has been a public servant for 35 years,let's all vote for the candidate who can relieve our economic woes,let's all vote for the candidate who can bring our brave men and women home from Iraq,let's all vote for the candidate who is not afraid to take action against Iran if needed,let's all vote for the candidate who will keep us safe and stand up and protect Israel,let's all vote for the candidate who cares about ALL of us no matter what race or gender we may be-I know Hillary is that person and that is why she is getting my vote.I have not forgotten the comment Obama himself made about rural americans clinging to guns and religion because we are bitter.I may drive a pick-up truck with a gunrack in the back and go hunting and fishing sometimes,but it's not because I'm bitter it is because I am an outdoor sportsman. I don't go to church because I'm bitter,I go to church to be uplifted by the word of God and to fellowship with others.It seems to me that if you are a bitter church goer then you must have been listening to Rev.Wright,his ranting would make anyone bitter.Kentucky will go blue in Nov.if Hillary is our nominee,if it's Obama then we will stay red.Keep on fighting for us Hillary,I promise that Kentucky will keep fighting for you.GOD BLESS HILLARY CLINTON!

Posted by: Marshall in ky | May 5, 2008 3:41 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Hillary is in her element. Always fighting and moving forward. Many who dislike her do so on the basis that she likes "power". This may be so, but many, like me, would like to give all the power needed to her.
She sure deserves this power. A power that we know will be backed by knowledge, substance, grit, fortitute, and a profound comittment to GET things done. She has a brilliant intellect and is ambitious and I have no doubt in my mind she will deliver and would want to leave behind a legacy of accomplishments. That is what her life has been all about. Always the A+ student, top 100 lawyer, top at her game, top mom, top daughter and top wife even in the face of humiliation. Mr. Obama is another politician who claims to be an outsider. Nothing could be further from the truth. He has a mediocre record, is inexperienced and his identity is a question mark. I think of him as "caught in between", between races, between religions, between cultures and who knows what else. Unfortunately, we are learning too late of his deep and long associations with questionable characters. Some of these clearly outline decades of indoctrination of racial divisionism, hatred, anti-semitism, and radicalism. It is either that or stupidity (NOT) or political convenience and opportunism. Either one of these shows a MAJOR and FUNDAMENTAL FLAW IN THE CHARACTER AND JUDGMENT an ingredient that is so fundamental to consider and without which we can not discuss ANYTHING else.

Posted by: Glavela | May 4, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton has it all: experience, a knowledge base over and above the average candidate, intellect that borders genius, but most importantly common sense. This woman can help get America back to being great. A tall order! Those of us in the medical community know of the severe crisis in healthcare that needs to be addressed STAT. The other huge huge issues are the occupation of Iraq, economic situation of most Americans, and environmental concerns of enormous consequences. Clinton is the only one that can take on these issues and be successful.

Posted by: Jackson | May 4, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

First, I want to say the "dead" post is brilliant, we cannot forget our soldiers and I think them (and their families!) for their service. Second, Sen. Clinton did not vote to authorize war, she voted to give her President the power -- if needed -- that power was abused by Bush and he is responsible for the consequences of Iraq. Third, the rules are that Michigan and Florida can petition the DNC for an alternative way to be counted; and, last but not least, Sen. Obama did not keep his name on the ballot in Michigan because there was not time to change his decision to skip Michigan voters because he thought he could not get their votes, but he did keep his name on the ballot in FL because he, belatedly realized those votes might count in the end. You can look at this only one way: He was not smart enough to know the rules of his own Party. I say the majority of the delegates in both states go to the smartest candidate -- Sen. Clinton.

Posted by: Northshorewoman | May 4, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

North Carolina.
Check... mate.

Posted by: eljefejesus | May 4, 2008 3:52 AM | Report abuse

Hillary will be "in her element" as President. And I am in my element supporting her all the way!

Posted by: Uma | May 4, 2008 3:29 AM | Report abuse

I have analayzed this situation very carefully. And the one thing I have have learned is that people who degrade other people to make themselves look better have a complex and that is what they do to make themselves feel better. It is true some people get cheated though no fault of thier own by people who think they know oh so much and don't even have a clue. Yes, it true there have been many mistake made. Yes, we probably could have saved many lives before the war started if we had done something sooner. And no I don't think I know everything, but if I know I am right, yes, I will try to let someone know. If they are to ignorant to listen that is not my fault. Yes, this world has many issues that need to be addressed. And some have already been taken care of in a sense. This election should not be about race or gender. And I hope and pray that some people will come to thier senses before it is to late. The only hope our Democratic Party has is Hillary. We don't need the rebels leading the world. I hope some of these young people come to thier senses and quit being brainwashed by Obama. Sure he might offer them something now but when he is in office it will be a much different story. And yes, I think Rev. Wright summed it up rather well. Obama is a typical poltiician. At first I took into consideration Obama's views. But when I saw him teach our young people to show disrespect to our elders I decided then and there this was not the messsage our youth needed. And our youth don't need to be taught anti-war. What kind of individual would not be willing to stand for thier country. I have heard some of the comments that Obama has made and his wife also. They are Anti-American, people is this what we need to represent us. It's time we get real we all can sit or stand at keyboards and blow of steam but what does that accomplish. We need more soldiers out in the fields that are willing to go the extra mile it takes even though they don't have exzactly what they need to pull something off and still succeed and they do it by the grace of God. Not a God ---- God! We need to get America back to morals, something many don't have left at this point and work together to save what we have left because it's not looking good for any of us. Maybe Rev. Wright was posessed with satan when he carried on that way, let's pray that he gets better. You know that Satan attacks God's people when they are doing good . Let's pray that Rev. Wright gets better and don't let Satan attack him again. And let's also pray that Obama will quit trying to posess our youth, beating in thier heads they have a right to be against war. Face it God doesn't wish it to be this way. And things won't get better until we start trying to work together to bring ourselves together. We need to realize that more is not always better. To much drama and not enough action. I going to support Hilllary because I know she is like me, When the going gets tough the tough keep going and trust me that is definately what our country needs now. I think Obama is already ready for a vaction, or at least that is what some of his supporters said. Do you think he is going to the Bahams the week he is elected? I am not being mean I am being honest, To many times we see politicans promise everything and we get nothing. Hillary knows whoever wins is going to have a tough job and it's going to take someone who is tough to make our country better. Hillary hasn't give up yet, even though she has had to deal with all this malaroky. So that means she's tough. O.k. youth, 9 out 10 times when you have an issue who solves it? Mom or Dad? Obama will be like most dad's he'll say ask your Mom. So why not elect MOM?

Posted by: MaDonna Bush | May 4, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Forget the Party think of the Country.

Posted by: politicsIsdirty | May 3, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Attention To Al Hillary Supporters From DarrellP!!

Hillary should not quit this race just to make the Gender-biased media or the Obama's Campaign and supporters happy. Obama is not experienced enough to be President, the only reason Obama is ahead is because some of the Republicans crossed over in some primaries to help Obama become the nominee to make it easier for McCain to win the general election, when that time comes if Obama is the nominee, these same Republicans and Independents will go back to party lines and vote for McCain, So in the long-term, Obama has not gained anything but a sure lose to McCain, because after The Republican Swiftboat Machine get through with him, he'd wish he stepped down and gave the nomination to a more experienced candidate like Hillary, the Swiftboaters will eat Novice Obama alive, causing us to lose the General election for sure, at least we have a better chance with Hillary bringing home the Presidency for our party.

I'm suggesting that all Hillary Supporters not unite behind Obama or the DNC if Hillary is not the nominee, because the way she was biasedly and unfairly treated by the Gender-biased media and the Obama campaign, All Hillary supporters at that time should either stay home, vote for Hillary as a write-in Candidate, vote for Mcain, or Nader, this is to protest the DNC, the media, and Obama's campaign for not being fair and balanced towards Hillary,

If Hillary was losing fair and square, I would not be calling on all Hillary supporters to do everything they could in the general election to help block Obama's Presidency, but since they did not want to play fair, We should not unite the party around Obama who's truly not prepared to take on this office and be able to clean-up and fix the mess Bush will leave behind, Hillary is prepared now to step up to the plate, and start turning this Country around on "Day One" of her Presidency as oppose to Obama who needs a lot of "On The Job Training" before he could even start doing the duties of the President.

Obama should be the one to step down and let someone with experience and know-how like Hillary to fix America's ills, and then in four more years, Maybe just Maybe gave Obama a chance to continue fixing and enhancing what Hillary has done in her 4 or 8 year term to turn this Country in the right direction, Obama is still very young in age and on the national Political scene, so he would have his chance to be President again, but for now, Obama needs more time in the Senate in order to strenghen his skills in Congress and than run for President after gaining a little more experience.

I hope all Hillary Supporters follow my lead, if Obama get's the nomination, try and block his Presidency and vote for Hillary as an write-in candidate, vote for McCain, Nader, or Stay home in protest of the DNC throwing Hillary under the Bus to nominate a less experienced candidate than Hillary, I'm also considering leaving the Democratic Party and going Independent if Hillary does not get the Nomination, I just can't back a candidate who I don't trust or have confidence in to do the job of uniting this country and fixing the mess Bush will leave behind, I hope other strong Hillary Supporters will follow my lead, no uniting this party around Obama or the DNC, go Independent if you have to like I will if Hillary quits, forced, or pressured out of this race. I see that many males and a few females are still having a problem with women trying to become President in this country, the glass ceiling is still so ever present when it comes to a woman trying to run for the highest office in the free world, so some voters, the DNC Leadership, and some in Congreess would rather put up a inexperienced male candidate over an experienced woman candidate to be President what a shame, well, I will not support it, I'm voting for a candidate soley based on his or her experience to do the job effectively, not on race or gender, Hillary meets that standard and criteria now.

Go Hillary!! Never Ever give-up, Never quit, fight until this nomination process is decided by the Superdelegates, because you or Obama can't win the nomination without the Superdelegates approval, and let the chips fall where they may. I still think you can win the nomination at the DNC Convention, don't get discouraged, because a lot of your strong supporters are still behind you, and have your back, this Presidency is worth staying in the race at all cost, because the steaks are too high just to turn the nomination over to a Novice Senator Obama, who has a lesser chance of beating McCain than you do, you will give McCain a run for his money, and that's what this party needs is a tough strong fighter to bring home the Presidency for our party, a whinning and complaining when things don't go his or her way want win this election for the Democrats that show a sign of weakness under pressure, we don't need a President like that, exspecially dealing with foriegn and domestic digniteries and policy issues afecting the smooth operation of this county's affairs.

Posted by: Darrell | May 3, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

TO THE OBAMA SUPPORTER WHO SAID THAT KENTUCKY AND WEST VIRGINIA ARE NOT STATES: APPARENTALLY YOU ARE NOT VERY EDUCATED WHEN IT COMES TO U.S HISTORY OR GEOGRAPHY BECAUSE YOU WOULD KNOW THAT KENTUCKY WAS ONE OF THE FIRST STATES FOUNDED IN THE UNITED STATES,AND IF YOU WERE A COLLEGE BASKETBALL FAN THEN YOU WOULD KNOW KENTUCKY WON THE NCAA CHAMPIONSHIP NOT THAT MANY YEARS AGO.WHERE DO YOU THINK THE KENTUCKY DERBY IS BEING HELD AT TODAY???IN THE STATE OF UTAH!?!?!? GIVE ME A BREAK.EVERYONE KNOWS THE KENTUCKY DERBY IS HELD IN THE STATE OF KENTUCKY.WHERE DO YOU THINK KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN RESTAURANTS GOT STARTED!?!?! IN THE STATE OF VERMONT-APPARENTLY THESE SMALLER STATES LIKE VERMONT AND IDAHO SEEM TO EXIST SINCE OBAMA WON THEM.THE ONLY REASON YOU ARE SAYING THAT KENTUCKY IS NOT A STATE IS BECAUSE YOU KNOW OBAMA DOES NOT HAVE A SNOWBALLS CHANCE IN HELL OF WINNING HERE.BUT EVEN OBAMA KNOWS THIS IS A STATE HE WILL HAVE TO COMPETE IN BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN POURING HIS RECOURCES INTO THIS STATE.APPARENTLY YOU THINK ALL OF KENTUCKY IS A BUNCH OF REDNECKS LIVING IN TRAILERS WHO KNOW NOTHING ABOUT POLITICS! I GUESS YOU DON'T REALIZE WE HAVE SEVERAL BIG CITIES,LOUISVILLE,LEXINGTON,BOWLING GREEN AND WE HAVE 2 VERY KNOWN COLLEGE BASKETBALL TEAMS THE UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY WILDCATS AND THE UNIVERSITY OF LOUISVILLE CARDINALS.OBAMA CAN THANK HIS SUPPORTERS FOR BEING SO RUDE BECAUSE I AM SURE THOSE WHO LIVE IN KENTUCKY AND WEST VIRGINIA WHO WERE THINKING OF VOTING FOR OBAMA MAY CHANGE THEIR MINDS WHEN THEY READ THESE COMMENTS SAYING THAT THESE 2 STATES DO NOT EXIST AND THAT TKENTUCKY AND WEST VIRGINIA ARE ARMPITS.I GUESS GUAM IS A STATE SINCE OBAMA WON THEIR CAUCUS TODAY AND YOU DIDN'T MENTION MONTANA OR S.DAKOTA SO APPARENTLY YOU THINK OBAMA WILL WIN THOSE STATES-UNLESS HE LOSES THEN YOU WILL BE SAYING THEY AREN'T STATES EITHER!!IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER WHAT YOU SAY ABOUT KENTUCKY AND WEST VIRGINIA BECAUSE HILLARY IS GOING TO RING HIS BELL IN THOSE 2 UPCOMING PRIMARIES JUST LIKE SHE DID IN OHIO AND PENNSYLVANIA-AND JUST FOR THE RECORD I JUST FINISHED WATCHING THE ENTIRE SERMON REV.WRIGHT GAVE ON APRIL 13,2003 ON HANNITY'S AMERICA ON FOX NEWS AND IT REPLAYS AT MIDNIGHT EASTERN STANDARD TIME,THOSE WHO WATCH WILL SEE IT WASN'T JUST A "SNIPPETT"OF A SERMON AS OBAMA HAD ORIGINALLY SAID I WATCHED THE ENTIRE SERMON AND IT WAS ALL ANTI-AMERICAN AND HATE FILLED,I COULDN'T COUNT THE TIMES REV WRIGHT SAID GOD DAM* AMERICA.THE PEOPLE IN THE PEWS WERE LOVING IT THEY WERE JUMPING AND SHOUTING AS IF THEY HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT!!!I WOULDN'T VOTE FOR OBAMA NOW NO MATTER WHAT.IF HILLARY LOSES I WILL VOTE FOR JOHN MCCAIN,I WOULD RATHER VOTE AGAINST OBAMA THAN NOT TO VOTE AT ALL BECAUSE JUST LIKE HIS PASTOR OF 20 YEARS HAS SAID-OBAMA IS JUST A TYPICAL POLITICIAN WHO IS SAYING WHAT HE NEEDS TO SAY TO GET ELECTED-THAT IS WHY HE DIS-INVITED REV.WRIGHT WHEN HE ANNOUNCED HE WAS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.WE ALL KNOW ABOUT HILLARY'S BAGGAGE,BUT I WOULD RATHER VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE I KNOW THAN THE ONE I HARDLY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT.WHO KNOWS MAYBE REV.WRIGHT WILL REVEAL A LITTLE MORE TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ABOUT BARACK OBAMA!

Posted by: kygirl4Hillary | May 3, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

No Paul, I am not joking. And Obama is no JFK. He is simply not ready.

Posted by: hummingbirdv | May 3, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

To Humming Bird, I am happy you read the full post. I would have to say it deserves some attention. You should also do more than read it in order to condemn my thinking. Try giving it a little open minded thought. I am not pro Obama, I am pro America, including you - I am serious when I say think about it from your and your children's best interest.

To clarify, I am saying that America squanders the opportunity for itself. I say nothing about anyone taking their "toys" (and you say I am nasty? - he is fully grown and as experienced as Hillary and not a boy you know).

Please don't try to put words in my mouth. You are also trying to put the words of Wright in Obama's mouth. I think it is not appropriate for you to be confusing the issue for others in that manner.

In terms of disavowing Wright - I think Obama did not want to be nasty at first and he was truthful in what he said when he called him the embarrassing Uncle - I know exactly what he means because I have one too - just not one that is public like this.

Unfortunately, Wright did not know how to leave it be and instead decided to push things to the point where Obama could not leave Wright with a respectable way out. Again, that is Wright's issue not Obama's.

And the JFK comparison stays. Wright's comments about JFK have nothing to do with the comparison I am making to Obama. Please don't confuse the point I am making with something of your own indirect concoction.

And suggesting some how Obama should wait his turn? You are joking right? I guess JFK should have waited his turn? One of the greatest criticisms leveled at him was his youth and inexperience. Sure, and let Nixon win already then? I supppose he could then have cleaned up Nixon's mess earlier.

I thought America was a democracy and meritocracy, not a dynastic succession or based on seniority.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | May 3, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

And Paul... regarding your lengthly post above. I can see how much you believe in your guy however I believe he does have extensive baggage (Wright, Ayers, Rezko, just to name a few) therefore his "character and moral compass" are in question. This is not NEW politics. It's business as usual. BO stayed in his church for 20 years because it helped his political ambitions in the community. After "words" got in the way, his "uncle" Wright was no longer and asset and he terminated the relationship.

I would give up quoting JFK as well after BO's longtime mentor Reverend Wright made fun of JFK in his weekend extravaganza by mocking his New England accent, "ASK-EEESK not what your country can do for you, ASK-EEESK what you can do for your country." See if you can find a copy of the video, it is very disturbing.

regarding "...squander the opportunity"? Do you really think if America chooses to take a pass on Barack this time around that he is going to take his toys and go home? For gosh sakes. Let the guy grow up a little. He's got 2 decades easily in
front of him. Give him some time. Just maybe he is not the person for the job at this point in history. His turn will come.

Posted by: hummingbirdv | May 3, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Paul, it was not a comment on his intelegence, although I can see how it sounded that way. He is just not very articulate when he doesn't have a prepared speech... neither is George Bush - and he's white. I notice these things no matter the color of the individual.

Please do not assume my comments have anything to do with BO and his skin. And I will give you the courtesy in return of not assuming that you are using the race card intentionally to intimidate.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 3, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Superdelegates and voters:

Obama will not will against McCain. It is time for us to put our ego's aside and do what is right for the country. If you want to see a democrat in the white house, Hillary is the only one that will get there. The Obama's are too controversial, to inexperienced (as obama said hisself in his opening speech DNC 2004), and is connected to the wrong groups. The video released on utube friday was investigated and determined completely false by MSNBC. It had been doctored and released to smear Hillary. This is another example of the company Obama keeps!
This is not over. Voters and Superdelegates just need to throw every vote to Hillary and it will be over!! Do It!

Posted by: drjune | May 3, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

After today's incident with Eight Belles, I am an Obama fan. You didn't see him parading at the Kentucky Derby like Chelsea Clinton. Please stop the jinx, it is not funny anymore.

Posted by: Cindy | May 3, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Someone commented earlier that the "blue collar voters" have donated more money to Obama than Hillary,if that is the case then why has she won this group of voters by a 70 to 30 margin over him in 26 out of 29 states that held primaries!?!? The only 3 states where Obama won the blue collar voters are Wisconsin,Utah and Vermont,and Hillary didn't even compete in Utah or Vermont.I am a "blue collar voter"who sometimes can't afford to donate with the high prices of gas and groceries,but I still donate to Hillary everytime I can spare any extra money,even if it's just 10.00 at a time.Hillary is a fighter,and she will get things done in the white house.Puerto Rico,your vote does matter.Just like my vote matters in Kentucky,a state that normally is overlooked in these presidential primaries.
The Obama supporters are so negative,they want us all to give up on Hillary and not have a chanve to vote.They are praying that he will win in Indiana and N.Carolina and that Hillary will drop out,so we don't have a chance to be heard.But they don't know or see Hillary as we do.We know she is not a quitter and that she is greatful for every vote she gets,and every donation,no matter how small,and she will stand in line for hours showing us her appreciation by signing autographs and taking pictures with her supporters.I know she will not drop out because I believe she will win in Indiana,all of the polls have her leading in Indiana now.She will probably lose N.Carolina,which is expected but it will not be a 20 point loss.She has done an excellent job of closing the gap.I know that she is the stronger candidate.We sure don't see Obama sitting down and taking tough questions from Bill O'Reilly!Obama won't even debate Hillary,much less go and debate Bill O'Reilly,which I must admit I was surprised that she held her own against him.She answered every question,and even though he didn't agree with most of her positions,he still admitted that he was impressed that she held her own against him.She is the candidate who can win debates against John McCain and win in the general election.If the super delegates think that the youth vote,african american vote,and far left liberal elitist voters can win the election for Obama,then I think we have another John Kerry on our hands.Because without the blue collar,non-college graduates,senior citizens,and reagan democrats"modertates" there is no way he can beat McCain.We all know that McCain will more than likely win Florida(a swing state)because he has the Governor backing him,and the voters of michigan may be so upset that their votes didn't count in the primary,that they vote for McCain or stay home in november.I am glad that "Time" printed this article,highlighting Hillary's strength.As for the comment by "lizard3" wh said the article was biased I guess he spends most of his time watching the "Hillary bashing"on MSNBC.I suppose he doesn't think Chris Matthews is biased for Obama.Hang in there Hillary!!!You have proven what a strong candidate you are because the MSM has written you off time and again,but you always come back stronger!!! I will be voting for you on May 20th,and I hope this goes all the way to the convention.American's need a president who will fight for them and help with this horrible economy,Hillary is that president. P.S Hillary wasn't the only one who voted for the war,what about John Kerry,Edwards,Chris Dodd,Joe Bieden etc.Pretty much everyone who started out in this democratic race other than Obama who wasn't a U.S senator when the vote came up. KENTUCKY LOVES HILLARY!!!!!!

Posted by: kygirl4Hillary | May 3, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Wow, see the nice pantsuit Hillary is wearing. With that light blue pin stripe pantsuit, and a dash of sparkiling green/blue eye shadow on her upper eye lid and a dark red lipstick she looks a tint of Tammy Fay Baker, the evangelists wife. But Bill Clinton with his pastel and bright orange or yellow colored ties usually looks like a used car salesman. I warn you to keep both your hands over your kids closed eyes, before you ask both Hillary and Bill to stand side by side, since it is going to be awfully scary for the kids to watch. James Carville is not doing his job in selecting the right outfit for this couple.

Posted by: Janet | May 3, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Call it what you want. I am just telling you what the Republicans will do. They are not nice people. Isn't that what Hillary is saying, she is doing what the Republicans will do to Obama? Well I think I can speak to what they will do to her. That is not really the point and you know, your suggestion that somehow Obama is dumb and can't put two words together is much more nasty. It can also be read as a racial kind of statement and there is also a hint of a Rovian mentality there - he is known as a gifte speaker and the Roviann approach is to attack your opponent's acknowledged strength - do you know what Swift Boat means and comes from or not? My final comments.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | May 3, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Paul...your paranoia is sad and a waste of time and energy. Nasty? You mean like your post?

Posted by: hummingbirdv | May 3, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Omen? Wish and "dream" all you want. We'll see what the voters have to say after Tuesday.

Posted by: hummingbirdv | May 3, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

To the Humming Bird. I disagree and the reason Obama says umh sometimes when he is talking is because his brain is in gear and he is thinking. He is looking for the right words to express what is in his heart and on his mind. He is not speaking from some memorized nasty talking points such as Clinton does with her nasty lying eyes casting about the room nervously so no one can tell what she really is thinking and what she is trying to do.....

Posted by: Paul Stewart | May 3, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Footnote to the Kentucky Derby:

The Big Brown candidate--- er, horse --- won and the filly came in second, broke two legs, and was euthenized.

Omen anyone?

Posted by: egc52556 | May 3, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Woops, make that the Democrat's Donkey.....

Posted by: Paul Stewart | May 3, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

I think I could take this a step further for the Republicans .....

If Hillary is the candidate, it is open Clinton season during the short weeks of the Presidential campaign. The time will be filled with this kind of thing - there will be a blast from the past and also the Bosnia lie. Every time she said the words Bosnia sniper fire in a clip - with the final clip being the one that is available from the actual arrival, then a reading of what she said in her book, and finally, her stupid reply to George S. in the last "deba(cle)te. And of course, the 6o second clip will have her nose growing throughout until it obliterates her face. That will be "Clinton in her element". And, like Pinochio, she will start to grow ears and a tail and she will turn into the Republican Donkey.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | May 3, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

My post gone? Here it is again.

BOTH the Clinton's and the Obama's are consumate politicians. I will not list here the lies that have been perpetuated by the BO himself, his campaign, or his supporters as for example the DOCTORED "War Room" video. Unconscionable.

Senator Hillary Clinton is resilient, courageous, brilliant, and compassionate. She also knows what town she is in while she is campaigning and that the Great Lakes are not in Oregon. She listens fully and is present with people. She also knows how to talk. None of this "Ummm Ummm what I mean is Ummm Ummm"

Even my 15 year old daughter noticed while listening to BO on NPR the other day. I was driving her to school and from the back seat she piped up, "Mom, Obama doesn't seem to know what he is talking about. He keeps stopping like he isn't sure himself what he said." The next President of the most powerful nation in the world?

This article is spot-on that Hillary won't quit. That's because the millions of us who voted for her want her to continue. We love her, respect her and know she will do good work for us and our country.

So grow up, get a life, and let our democracy continue. It's not over until everyone has their say by casting their vote. That's how this works. May the best candidate win.

Senator Hillary Clinton, 44th President of the United States of America and about time.

Go Hill Go!

Posted by: hummingbirdv | May 3, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

"Obama will bring Democrats to defeat against McCain come November. Why is this so hard for the Obamacans to see? He is too divisive and too extreme. He has no experience. His character and judgment is dangerously flawed. There has been a drip drip drip of questionable associations. He is toast.

Clinton may not be perfect, but she is tenacious and she knows what she is doing. She has the experience and is already doing better in the polls in important states such as Fl, OH and PA against the Republicans.

Posted by: JFB | May 3, 2008 4:22 PM "

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Really? Imagine what the election would look like if Hillary was running against McCain. I have said many times, Hillary keeps saying that she is proud that all of her baggage has been picked through and she is fully "vetted". That is a naive statement.

She will get swift boated by the baggage she has or if not the baggage she has that we know about, then baggage still in the closet. Or, manufactured baggage constructed by the Republicans such as Hillary has constructed in the Wright fiasco and the flag pin question etc.

I am starting to see why it is important for Hillary to stay on the attack - lest someone start to look at her baggage. Need to keep the discussion on the other guy's bad not your own. Even if you have to fake the other guy's.

You need to remember she is someone who will lie in public no less and continuously such as she clearly did about Bosnia. Imagine what she is like when she thinks people are not looking or not in the room. As an aside here, I think there is no excuse for her lame answer to the lame question posed by George S. - "I remembered it differently during the campaign than I wrote in my book - its embarrassing but I did get it right in my book - have a look at that."

As if she could still not remember what happened! And in a way she really did not confirm she lied or what the real truth was. What would your mother say to you if you said that? Hillary seems to think you and I are so dumb (and she so smart) that we won't catch on to her. Someone who thinks like that obviously has more baggage that she is not telling us about. And she thinks she can keep hiding it.... No way, the Republicans are making the ads already.

And, in the pre-internet and tabloid press era, in which many stupid foibles of the Clintons surely occurred, things were not looked at and grasped by the media the way they are today. Imagine the impact of a photo or video clip or sound bite with Bill and one of his liaisons. Replaying Monika or better getting her to make statements during the election. Believe me it can happen. The press will feed on this the entire election season with no time to actually deal with the issues. And the press will marvel at how its surfacing is deserved because it was how she beat Obama with the help of people like you doing poorly considered posts to support her.

Voting for Clinton, because she says she is "vetted" is risky - a bit like unprotected sex. The baggage she has can go viral - you don't want that. What is more, there are two people that can be attacked - Bill and Hillary who have boat loads of baggage. You can distance yourself from your pastor, but Hillary knows what Bill is and most importantly, everyone knows she had the chance to make the tough decision and make the break when Bill took advantage of Monika. Yet Hillary did not - why not? And you may have a thousand good answers, but there is little time available in the general election and the press would be having a field day with this for months. You know, it is not possible for her to distance herself from her spouse.

If Hillary is the candidate, it is open Clinton season during the short weeks of the Presidential campaign. The time will be filled with this kind of thing - there will be a blast from the past and also the Bosnia lie. Every time she said the words Bosnia sniper fire in a clip - with the final clip being the one that is available from the actual arrival, then a reading of what she said in her book, and finally, her stupid reply to George S. in the last "deba(cle)te.

The Republicans will put out even the stuff that everyone knows about again as a "refreshing" reminder of what the Clintons are about. There is no law that says aired baggage can't be rehashed and re-aired. Many voters will be intrigued because as much of this goes back to earlier generations as is new (there is so much there) and many voters under 30 may not be aware or have seen some of this stuff. Where will it leave them? Voting for McCain or abstaining.

In contrast, it has been months in the Democratic campaign and there is precious little Hillary and McCain could dredge up on the Obamas. What is there, has largely been manufactured out of thin air and it is about what others said that is trying to be made out to be what the Obamas are about.. And I think since the election runs right after this nominee race, what has been manufactured will seem old to the electorate in the general.

Obama, with his powerful movement for change and with virtually no baggage from the past, is the winning choice. I think that he is ahead in the nominee race (and he is no matter how you look at it) and he will win the nomination because of this.

I think it is clear that he will go on to win the Presidency because of his stronger character, moral compass, focus on the challenging issues of America and particularly his audacity to tackle the status quo. He really does lead a movement that favors a rebirth of truth, justice and the real American dream for all.

You might, as others do, try to say that is just words and pie in the sky - well I can tell you, so was JFK's putting a man on the moon and equal rights amendment. So was JFK's ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country. That, is the real power of America, not bombing countries out of existence.

I believe Obama is not a typical politician - he is potentially much more and he was born to lead America at this time. The important question is - will America take up this generous and much needed opportunity?

Okay, so you are more skeptical. I would say okay, maybe Obama is just another politician, but then again it is undeniable that he might be something much more and he is leading a grass roots movement for change. Why squander the opportunity?

And, frankly, the politics of the past and being just another politician is not good enough for America today and going forward. Let's not get "too wise and old" about this - America can't afford to miss the possibility (I think the reality) of Obama being a new breed of politician and leader truly uniting and leading the United States of America.

America will get what it deserves out of this election - if its garbage in then its garbage out. America needs more than that, and to achieve it she needs to truly see the reality of the situation and vote differently for a different politician and different politics. If she does not, she will get more of the same.

I believe America will have the courage to vote for a new politics, a new discourse and a new future based on truth, justice and the real American dream.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | May 3, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

ALL of you who vote for Obama are throwing your vote to McCain because Obama cannot beat McCain. We've all seen that polls are unreliable and the Obama/McCain one is way off. The republicans have tapes of Obama in Wright's church during some of those terrible sermons and plan to use them in the fall. They also have more info about Rezko and Ayers just waiting on the chance to use them next fall.
I'm a democrat but will not vote Obama because I would not take my child to hear Wright's sermons AND KEEP THEM IN THAT CHURCH and most of you wouldn't either!If his fatherhood iS of the likes, how will he be a leader for the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

Posted by: becky | May 3, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse


Hey, Mr. Obama,
Im recently born again. Can you recommend a good chuch for me to go to?

Posted by: East Side Love | May 3, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Facts:

- Sen. Obama voted three times for a gas tax holiday in 2000 when gas prices were less than $2 a gallon.

- Kip Tew, the top advisor to Obama's Indiana campaign is an energy lobbyist. Tew said recently, "I'm not running away from the fact that I'm a lobbyist. I have a healthy client list, and I'm proud of it."

Posted by: doctorate | May 3, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

First of all Barack continues to drain his pipes of voters during the last 30-35 days and as proof he lost Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania. All huge states.

In short he is bleeding right now and his 25 Points lead in North Carolina even though the state's registered democratic voters is 42% black, he now lead in single digit.

Before PA he was also ahead in Indiana by 5%-12% and now it looks like he'll lose the state.

When a candidate wins the popular vote in a given state but still lose delegates, that's clearly a screwed system that the DNC Chairman Dean has to correct. When black districts get more delegates for the same number of voters compared to white districts but given more delegate allocation that is not democracy.

Bottom line the next President of the United States whether a Republican or Democrat should win two of the battleground states of Florida, Ohia and Pennsylvania.

Hillary can win them all but Barrack cannot...

Conclusion: Barack is a VERY RISKY BET...

SWING STATES: New Quinnipiac polls out today show Clinton dramatically outperforms Obama in the critical swing states of Ohio and Florida.

In Ohio, Clinton beats McCain by ten points (48-38), while Obama loses to him by one point (43-44).

In Florida, Clinton beats McCain by 8 (49-41), while Obama loses to him by one point (42-43).

Hillary also tops McCain by 14 points in Pennsylvania (51-37), while Obama's lead over McCain is in single digits.


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Posted by: nette60 | May 3, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Wow, what the heck happened to my post? Here it is again:

I like Obama most, McCain second, Hillary third.

Barrack Obama will win. He'll be the first black president of the Untied States because:

1) The Iraq war was wrong, costly, and now unpopular. I think it is obvious that our next President will mostly likely be Barrack Obama. He will be the first black President of the Untied States for the following 5 reasons:

1) The Iraq war was wrong, costly, and now unpopular. Voters will throw the hawks out.

2) The economy and consumer confidence are hurting. Voters will throw the bumbs out.

3) We have enough post-60's voters now where many more voters can see right through race-baiting commercials. By the time of the nomination they will see through the attacks against Obama calling him a Muslim AND a Christian extremist.

4) Huckabee... I mean, Hillary did not pick up the delegates she needed in Texas or Ohio or Pennsylvania (states that favored her) and even lost delegates in Texas. She lost a long time ago when her advisers led her to disaster on 10 contests in a row following Super Tuesday.

5) Obama continues to inspire new ovters and those of us who are tired of 16 years of Bushes and Clintons. Let's give a candidate who has earned their way up a chance for a change.

Obama over McCain in November 2008

Posted by: eljefejesus | May 3, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama cannot get a security clearance. Farrakhan, Hamas materials printed at his church..honors Farrakhan. Wife racist thesis that was taken off the internet until after the election. Close ties to terrorist. wAyesr where he launched his campaign....and on and on...Besides he needs a teleprompter or he's lost...doesn't know anything, never stood up for anything missed 75% of senate votes. received money from Iraqi born fugituve Auchi and embezzled money along with Rezko whils his own senate district remained in slums....and he is going to do what for the country. Oh I see he's flippimg the finger to anyone he doesn't agree with while rocking to Jay-z and Al Sharpton and good ole Jesse...Gonna be some very good times .

Posted by: Anonymous | May 3, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I like Obama most, McCain second, Hillary third.

I think it is obvious that our next President will mostly likely be Barrack Obama. He will be the first black president of the Untied States for the following 5 reasons:

1) The Iraq war was wrong, costly, and now unpopular. I think it is obvious that our next President will mostly likely be Barrack Obama. He will be the first black President of the Untied States for the following 5 reasons:

1) The Iraq war was wrong, costly, and now unpopular. Voters will throw the hawks out.

2) The economy and consumer confidence are hurting. Voters will throw the bumbs out.

3) We have enough post-60's voters now where many more voters can see right through race-baiting commercials. By the time of the nomination they will see through the attacks against Obama calling him a Muslim AND a Christian extremist.

4) Huckabee... I mean, Hillary did not pick up the delegates she needed in Texas or Ohio or Pennsylvania (states that vafored her) and even lost delegates in Texas. She lost a long time ago when her advisers led her to disaster on 10 contests in a row following Super Tuesday.

Obama over McCain in November 2008
5) Obama continues to inspire new ovters and those of us who are tired of 16 years of bushes and clintons. Let's give a candidate who has earned their way up a chance for a change.
Voters will throw the hawks out.

2) the economy and consumer confidence are hurting. voters will throw the bumbs out.

3) We have enough post-60's voters now where many more voters can see right through race-baiting commercials. By the time of the nomination they will see through the attacks against Obama calling him a Muslim AND a Christian extremist.

4) Huckabee... I mean, Hillary did not pick up the delegates she needed in Texas or Ohio or Pennsylvania (states that vafored her) and even lost delegates in Texas. She lost a long time ago when her advisers led her to diaster on 10 cotests in a row following super tuesday.

5) Obama continues to inspire new ovters and those of us who are tired of 16 years of bushes and clintons. Let's give a candidate who has earned their way up a chance for a change.

Posted by: eljefejesus | May 3, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Well, it's easy to see reasoned argument has given way to empty sloganeering...

Posted by: treetopflyer | May 3, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama will bring Democrats to defeat against McCain come November. Why is this so hard for the Obamacans to see? He is too divisive and too extreme. He has no experience. His character and judgment is dangerously flawed. There has been a drip drip drip of questionable associations. He is toast.

Clinton may not be perfect, but she is tenacious and she knows what she is doing. She has the experience and is already doing better in the polls in important states such as Fl, OH and PA against the Republicans.

Posted by: JFB | May 3, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

This country needs a woman's touch!

Posted by: Jerry | May 3, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

She's beaming!
She's rising while the men in the race are waning...
In the words of Hillary supporter Maya Angelou:
Rise Hillary Rise!

Posted by: Evelyn | May 3, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama = uniter
Hillary = divider

ask the "vast right wing conspiracy" people who have now turned Hillary supporters in hope of damaging the Democrats enough to keep a Republican in office. Everyone know's Obama will have won the primary elections, and the superdeleagates increasingly realize who they should get behind. The nominee, not the miracle-chaser.
Obama vs McCain
not
Hillary vs Huckabee

Posted by: eljefejesus | May 3, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

This campaign season has been too LONG, but it has given time for the whole country to see the halo disappear from Barack Obama's head. Democrats are fortunate that they have 2 people to choose from! One is young, untested and lacks good judgement and experience and the other is mature, completely vetted with the experience credentials to go along with a lifetime of service to this country. HILLARY CLINTON will make us proud as our FIRST woman president. She WILL DO IT!! You can count on her to give the country her best each and every day. VOTE Hillary 08!!

Posted by: Jon | May 3, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Let's get real here. The Obama campaign started their use of reverse racism as soon as Hillary was declared the winner in NH. Obama surrogates went on cable shows to explain Obama's loss as a result of the Bradley Effect, where whites tell pollsters they will vote for the black candidate and then vote for the white candidate in the privacy of the voting booth. This was outrageous, labeling Hillary supporters racist, yet no one in the press called them on that. Within days everything either Clinton said suddenly became racist, no matter how much of a stretch. The Obama campaign is the most divisive I have seen in my lifetime. I will vote for McCain before I would ever vote for such an inexperienced, divisive candidate.

Posted by: Karen | May 3, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

The race horse Barbaro captured the hearts of the country, with his big strong heart, and his fleet foot, he was able to come from behind to beat horses much bigger than he.

Hillary Clinton is strong and determined woman, in some ways she could be compared to Barbaro, but she will not stumble in this race. She has come from behind and has the strength of heart, and the tenacity to win this race. It will be her opponent that will stumble and fall this time.

Hillary is the only democratic candidate that is capable of beating Obama. A vote for Obama means 4 more years of Bush's policies, and the Iraq war. Don't be fooled by Obama's idealistic slogans of "hope" and "change", for elitist Obama, they are just empty words.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 3, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Linda - why the hell don't you go back to Europe? And take your racist attitude with you.

You are blind, woman. You WISH you looked half as good as Michelle. And obviously you can't tell the difference between looking serious and attentive and looking angry. It's called "transference" - look it up (oh, I forgot, you're blind so you can't read).

Posted by: Treetopflyer | May 3, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

For the crazy person who posted the dead entry, did you vote for Bush. Because there are a lot of people out there who had very bad judgment, and they are the ones who have to live with the guilt.

Posted by: April | May 3, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Obama Supporters,

Could we please let the "he has the most delegates" argument die? That's not going to matter if he loses the remaining contests. The DNC wants to win. They are not going to make Obama the nominee just because he garnered more delegates before the American people knew about Reverend Wright.

If the upcoming contests prove that he has lost the overwhelming support of the voters, he will be asked to bow out gracefully. You are dreaming if you think the DNC will hand him the nomination knowing he's a sure loser! Let's just get real here, thios isn't about him, it's about beating McCain, it's about ending the war and it's about the Supreme Court. It's much bigger than Obama.

Posted by: Shauna | May 3, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama wants to focus on anything but his own character and judgment. He cannot erase a 20-year relationship with a racist and anti-American pastor who he considered to be his "mentor and spiritual adviser," by merely making a public denunciation required by his falling poll numbers. This transparent gesture won't fool anyone but his most ardent supporters. The press has really let us down regarding Obama by not vetting him sooner. Perhaps they will make up for it by investigating the nature of Obama's religion; black liberation theology. Why? Because anyone who would subscribe to such a racist theology for 20 years, is not fit to be President of the United States. Rev. Wright cites James Cone as his theological mentor regarding the theology Obama has been soaking up for the last 20 years. Here, in his own words, is James Cone's description of Obama's so-called religion:
"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."

Posted by: Fred | May 3, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

It amazes me that there are those who say Hillary is damaging the Democratic Party. Did Reagan damage the Republican party when he took the primary into the convention over Gerald Ford? Did Ted Kennedy damage the party when he took the primary into the convention against Jimmy Carter? Or what about Brown of Calif. taking the primary to the convention when running against Bill Clinton. The problem is that back then journalists, pundits, delegates, etc., allowed the process to go forward without calling for candidates to drop out or giving one candidate such biased coverage that it made their staying in the race practically impossible. Also, to those of you who consistently post that Obama has already won, that is just not true as he DOES NOT have enough delegates to win.....not unless Hillary Clinton gives her delegates to him and/or until he collects 2,050 of his very own. Until then, please remember that neither candidate can claim victory. Super delegates can also change their minds. If the primaries were tallied like the general election, Hillary Clinton would have had this sewn up on Super Tuesday....yes, the big blue states DO count in the general election. I am in Ohio and Clinton beats McCain by 9 points here and Obama loses by 1....go figure that up on your delegate calculator.

Posted by: RH | May 3, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Those who oppose Hillary want this thing over with quick. Our family has a personal policy that goes like this " Anyone who tells us that something has to happen right now, save a real threat to personal safety, should be put off, because it usually means that they know they only have one shot to make a sale and if one has time to think about it, it is unlikely it's going to happen." Obama really does only have one shot and a real critical look at the whole picture is really not in his favor. It is in his own interest and those that are emotionally involved in "the movement" to get this over with before the American people can get real handle on the stakes. Although movements are quite valid and important to move political leaders transforming their ideas and policies, movements are not best served by the politics of government and neither is political office compatible with movements. Once the winner steps into that office, that all goes away and the President must serve the whole country. Middle America gets this and expects this. That's why Hillary is steadily gaining in a Campaign that realistically began on Super Tuesday. A campaign that also is now more closely relevant to the one that will start sooner than anyone had imagined.

Posted by: Stephen Miller | May 3, 2008 8:28 AM | Report abuse

And the race goes on....No need to use slander or distastful remarks about a candidate that running for President.

Posted by: Musky | May 3, 2008 6:29 AM | Report abuse

Who do you think the GOP want as the nominee of the Dem Party? Hillary Clinton. Isn't that why they are doing her job at the moment, swift-boating Obama over Wright? Of course. Why? This is a big question. Even Fox News can figure out that it is probably because they think she is an easier target that Obama is in the presidential campaign. Certainly, nobody will be that stupid enough to suggest it is because they like Hillary for some strange and sadistic reasons. Yuk! Even Republicans have a better taste than that.

It is just ironic that a lot of the supers cannot see this political hint.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 3, 2008 3:59 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and Linda? The whole Sinclair thing? You do know he failed a polygraph test, don't you? The media still won't let go of the Rev. Wright bone; do you think they wouldn't jump on this in a heartbeat if the story was credible?

Michelle (learn to spell, dunce) certainly does look angry. Such thick lips! And so black, so terribly black! She looks ready to kill white people and eat the flesh off their bones. Why isn't she white? She's be a lot nicer and less angry if she were white. Oh why, why, why isn't everyone white?!? It's just so hard having people on this planet who are different! Oh well, at least everyone in heaven is white. So's God. And the Easter Bunny (wuvwy, fwuffy wittow Easter Bunny xoxoxo not bad and black and angry like Michelle nonono gollum).

I haven't heard Michelle raise her voice once. The only screaming is coming from the stereotypes in your angry head. Get ready to be a lot angrier when Hillary loses.

Posted by: Treetopflyer | May 3, 2008 3:58 AM | Report abuse

What about Hillary's $108 million fortune with some dubious charity donations and book keeping? I don't think the Republicans will give her a pass on those.

They will shredd her.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 3, 2008 3:54 AM | Report abuse

What is she planning to do exactly? So she wins NC and Indiana by, lets say, 60% each. Would that change the math? No. Even after the much trumpeted win in PA, her net gain of delegates is just 12.

Her win in PA resulted in narrowing Obama's delegate lead by just 12. So, we know that her wins in all remaining primaries are not going to change anything substantial. At the end of it all, Obama will still stand with the lead.

So, if she is any smart, she would know that there is simply no way she can overtake that lead(unless she wins by 25% margin in each and every one of those remaining primaries. That brings us to the possibility that she may argue to the supers that she will be less likely to be swiftboated because she hasn't got Wright problem.

Well, we are not sure about that. She may not have a Wright problem but she sure has, Paul, Lewinsky, Mark Penn and Blackwater, Whitewater, Little Rose, the suicide of Vincent Foster in mysterious and never fully explained circumstances, a possible violations of election law, etc etc.

I trust that the GOP machine will do their usual job of finding dirt well on Hillary.

Ironically, the Wright controvery that is being waged at the moment will help him in November. People would have seen it all and heard it all by then. It is nothing new. It won't be shocking anymore and will just become tiring.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 3, 2008 3:51 AM | Report abuse

LindaGR -

An insult from someone as ignorant as you is actually a compliment. With that I bid you good night.

Posted by: Treetopflyer | May 3, 2008 3:25 AM | Report abuse

Hillary Rodham Clinton will be the next president of the United States so get used to it! Give 'em hell, Hillary.

Posted by: Nate | May 3, 2008 2:46 AM | Report abuse

Treetopflyer are you as ugly as Mitchell?? Do you hate America like she does? Do you hate white people like Obama and Mitchell does? Did anyone tell you when you were a child to "get off the tree you monkey!!" Well here is to you Obama Jr (my middle finger that is)!!

Posted by: LindaGR | May 3, 2008 2:44 AM | Report abuse

The only reason Andrew endorsed Obama is because he has a crush on him. He heard about Larry Sinclair and is hoping Obama will play the flute with him. Well, Mr Andrew you may just get your wish!!

Posted by: Ed | May 3, 2008 2:35 AM | Report abuse

LindaGr - Because, you short-sighted, instant gratification-addicted, gimme now and you'll pay later idiot, the 30 pieces of silver dollar you so cheaply sell yourself for will cost:

300,000 highway construction jobs this summer
More dangerous (unmaintained) highways and bridges
Your car repair and/or hospital bill which will make it the most expensive 30 bucks you've ever gotten

It's easy to see why Hillary supporters call Obama elitist. For them, anyone who THINKS is an elitist. Whatever happened to sending Crawford's village idiot back home? Tired of having a beer with him? (You all got to have your beers with him, right? Just like Hillary's going to invite you to the White House to down shots and bowl, right? You think she isn't going to - hasn't already - eat off fine china and waltz with dignitaries? Once she has your votes, you are DOG DIRT to her, and you know it!)

Try to remember this. We are selecting someone to run the country. This person will be the best protected, most powerful person in the world and if you want to talk with him/her, you can make an appointment for 12:03 PM to 12:05 PM, Feb. 17, 2013 just like everyone else. You do NOT want someone dumb as you, you WANT someone smarter than you. FDR was an elitist, born into a wealthy family, crippled with polio, and he saw the country through the Great Depression, gave us Social Security and kicked the Nazis' a$$es! We should be so lucky to have such elitist presidents these days.

Posted by: treetopflyer | May 3, 2008 2:27 AM | Report abuse

Larry Sinclair has already filed a lawsuit against Obama. Obama has not denied that he had sexual relations with this man and smoked crack with him.

Mitchell Obama seems very angry lately. To be fair she always appears angry and upset. Therefore we cannot blame it on the loses they have in the last five contest. Does this mean that she is going back to hating America?? If she hates America so much why does she not leave to Africa?? A survey shows Mitchell is not preferred choice as First Lady. If Obama would have been elected for President (being sarcastic because it will never happen) he would have to lock her out of the White House.

Seriously speaking, she is one freaking UGLY woman!!

Posted by: LindaGr | May 3, 2008 2:22 AM | Report abuse

It does not make sense why Obama would be against fighting to help some of us from the rising of high gas prices, this summer. He says we will just be saving about $30. Mr Obama, please explain this to the truck drivers that put in thousands of miles a week on their trucks. And people that have to travel 65 to 100 miles one way just to get to their jobs. My husband does not travel nearly as much but does put in 1500 miles a month. Even if it is $30 it is better than nothing! Obama is so out of touch with the average working class because he has never been one. He had wealthy grandparents who loved him so much they send him to private schools, boarding school, Harvard. They took care of all his needs hence he never had to worry on how to pay for gas at the pump and any of his bills while attending school.

What I do not understand is why Pelosi & Reed would be against this idea. Is is because a Republican (McCain) thought about it first and Hillary agrees with it? Is it because the Democrats hate Hillary so much that her politics are getting in the way? Or is it just because Obama did not think about it first? Excuse me Ms Pelosi and Mr Reed have you not been watching the news? He never thinks of anything first. He copies everything Hillary says or does. Hillary was the first one to come up with a plan on Healthcare, green collar jobs, getting us out of Iraq, revisiting NAFTA, saving Social Security and etc.. He has just followed suit.

Posted by: LindaGr | May 3, 2008 1:38 AM | Report abuse


I've been reading about how the Operation Chaos people are fretting now that their devious plot is working to make her appear stronger. What's also become obvious is that she's every bit as nefarious and brutal as Rush's own minions.

I am beginning to relish the idea that, should the neoCons help Hillary steal the nomination, she and Bill would have no trouble at all grinding McCrazy into pulp and devouring him for breakfast. Then they'd get what they've been voting for---PRESIDENT HILLARY CLINTON IN THE WHITE HOUSE. Eat that, Dittoheads!!! Oh, and thanks for supporting the Democrats!

Posted by: Robin | May 3, 2008 1:30 AM | Report abuse


OBAMAS BAGGAGE

He and Wright have divided black democrats.

His waffling around with the Wright issue has labeled him as a hypocrite to many.

His refusing to debate has shown he can't stand up to a challenge.

He has offended Florida and Michigan voters by not wanting their votes to count, and he would lose these two states in the general election.

He has lost the big states, indicating McCain would beat him there.

Many are concerned about his muslim relations or "secret" intent.

Racial ranting has brought out the "race card" in some whites, who would not have considered it at all otherwise.

His San Francisco remarks show very clearly he is a phony.

Last but not least, his close 20 year association with the bigot Wright probably shows more about his true character than anything.

His rise to fame is over, and he is on a slide downhill. Had his true character been known at the outset, Clinton would have had a level playing field and Obama would have been history months ago. Too bad.

Posted by: Billw | May 3, 2008 1:11 AM | Report abuse

I think you're right about Senator Clinton. She is in her element. What's very apparent is the more the Obama camp tries to dish dirt the better she looks. She's an intelligent, articulate, person. The more dirt that comes out about Obama the worse he seems on the campaign trail. He's afraid to go one on one with her in a Lincoln-Douglas debate and it shows from the first excuse he gave about not being a good way to reach people. They sure twisted that excuse in a hurry. This man has had a very short political life compared to Senator Clinton and already he's handed the Republican plenty of dirt with his lies (all on tape)and bad judgment. All the rich special interest groups buying up prime time slots will render him a lier and a politician who doesn't even know his own party. The record is now overwhelmingly convincing that he can not beat McCain and Senator Clinton can. Younger people vote emotionally older people vote smart.

Posted by: Micky | May 3, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse


AC:
"Hillary is at her best when she's divided everyone,"

No, she's at her best on a level playing field. Obama's questionable character was not known until March 13. Had his dealings with shady characters and the hate-filled racist Wright been known at the outset, the voting results would be different today. No question about it. Obama should apologize.

Posted by: Billw | May 3, 2008 1:00 AM | Report abuse

The birth of the modern environmental movement started in 1970. Congress passed lots of legislation for safe water and air. Then we had The Three Mile Island accident. Soon we had so many environmental laws passed it got to be impossible to build a new oil refinery or nuclear energy plant. We had really cheap gas prices back then and most cars only got around 15 mpg.

In the early 90s, Saddham invaded Kuwait. If he had kept going, he could have taken the whole Saudi peninsula. The question is: why did we fight Iraq?
The answer is oil. Everyone should know this by now.

We are forced to import lots of oil from the Middle East. Congress won't let anyone build a new nuke plant or a new refinery to turn oil into gasoline. It is Congress that regulates oil and gas and how much it is taxed.

Now the Democrats want to starve the world by turning corn (food) into ethanol (fuel). Why? They will tell you they are doing it for the environment. This is the biggest lie you have ever been told by a politician. Only McCain is against ethanol factories.

Whatever you do - don't encourage any Democrat to raise taxes. They will only be too happy to oblige. Then the oil companies will just jack up the price another dollar a gallon. Guess who gets screwed?

Posted by: alance | May 3, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse


If Goldwater were to come to live, he would vote for Hillary knowing what he knew. After that, he would drop dead because of what she has turned out to be.

don't just love her ethics (of the moment!)

Posted by: al | May 3, 2008 12:57 AM | Report abuse

hello sheeple

dishonestly taking over countries, running the elections through electoral fraud, bribery, propaganda, intimidation, using laws in such a twisted way as to be nearly indistinguisable from felonies, stacking the court systems, killing DC madams...

talking trash about "the Clintons," for 16 years....


whilst being the biggest flaming homo sexuahs in the world and administering BJ's to each other in front of the T.V. in the whitehouse....the repulsive scammers currently bushco and cronies...

LOOK, IT IS WHAT THESE PEOPLE DO......

There has never been, before the internet, this _unregulated_exposure_

LIKE THIS ARTICLE: There has been no serious follow-up on a host of other Reagan-Bush crimes either: the support for Central American death squads the cover-up of the 1981 El Mozote massacre in El Salvador collaboration with Noriega protection for the heroin trade of another CIA-backed group, the Afghan mujahadeen Ferdinand Marcoss alleged multi-million-dollar pay-offs to Ronald Reagan the BCCI affair the savings-and-loan plundering and a hundred other economic rip-offs that enriched the few and left the nation trillions of dollars in debt. So it was not entirely surprising that Gary Webbs remarkable story about contras and crack caused not a ripple of official reaction.

The disclosures were not even mentioned in the nations two leading papers, The New York Times and The Washington Post. After all, since both prestige papers had blown the story in the 1980s, they werent eager to admit their screw-up now. That disturbing reality was underscored again this past month by an exhaustively researched series by Gary Webb in The San Jose Mercury-News.

Webbs three-part series, with supporting documentation, traced the crack epidemic that devastated Los Angeles and other U.S. cities to massive shipments of cocaine smuggled by elements of the CIA-organized Nicaraguan contra army in the early-to-mid 1980s. Danilo Blandon Reyes, a former contra leader and drug dealer, testified during a recent cocaine trafficking trial in San Diego that the smuggling was given a green light by the late Enrique Bermudez, who commanded the FDN, the largest contra force and the one most closely associated with the CIA.


heh heh heh...

THE WRAP UP...

bushCO and CRONYs WON'T LISTEN, george w. bush WON'T CHANGE AND HE IS FELONIOUS......

DO YOU HAVE THE STONES?

EITHER ADDRESS THE PROBLEM IN FRONT OF YOU OR SHUT UP....

HE IS A LITTLE PR*CK THAT NEEDS TO BE SET DOWN HARD....and then kicked down the street long enough that he doesnt even think about revenge....

He represents a certain kind of thinking that needs to be hurt badly and then hurt again before he desists....

you have to stop him _permanently_ and all associated with him...

otherwise like a disease that you didn't take your meds long enough for it comes roaring back...

and this is a disease.... stomp it out.

THERE IS NO NICE WAY, QUIT LOOKING, TAKE CARE OF IT OR SHUT UP...

BECAUSE YOU WONT BE LISTENED TO....

_THAT_ IS THE FRICKING POINT!


Posted by: wake up little sheeple... | May 3, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse


THE LEVEL PLAYING FIELD

Someone said:
"The game had been determined already when Obama swept 11 primaries in a row, all by whopping double digits."

Had Obama's baggage been known at that point, the outcome would have been different. The playing field was not level. His winnings were due to his phoniness, and are nothing to brag about. Actually he should apologize for them.


Posted by: Billw | May 3, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse


GO INDIANA GO!!!!

GO FOR CLINTON!!!!!!

YEA YEA !!!!!

Posted by: Billw | May 3, 2008 12:50 AM | Report abuse

Jobs Jobs Jobs
Gas Break
War
Peace

City Girl
Country Girl

She won't count Michigan/Florida
She will count Michigan/Florida

Against Free Trade with Columbia
Hired a Columbia free-trade promoter as my top campaign position.

Goes by the rules
Rules Aren't Meaningful

Yes Yes Yes
No No No

Clintons like Peter Paul
Clintons Hate Peter Paul

Hillary supports Catholic values
Hillary supports gay rights

She's "for" the people
She's funded by big corporations

She's the underdog
She's continuing the Clinton Dynasty

She does appeal to everyone. Amazing!Toh

Posted by: ToySoldier | May 3, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse


GO NORTH CAROLINA GO!!!!

GO FOR CLINTON!!!!!!

YEA YEA !!!!!

Posted by: Billw | May 3, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse


The persian gulf states (rich in oil) are seriously considering to cancel military purches from the West pending the US elections.

They are hoping Clinton would win...If she does, she would obliterate Iran if they get attacked.

don't you love her!

Posted by: al | May 3, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse

dishonestly taking over countries, running the elections through electoral fraud, bribery, propaganda, intimidation, using laws in such a twisted way as to be nearly indistinguisable from felonies, stacking the court systems, killing DC madams...


LOOK, IT IS WHAT THESE PEOPLE DO......

There has never been, before the internet, this _unregulated_exposure_

LIKE THIS ARTICLE: There has been no serious follow-up on a host of other Reagan-Bush crimes either: the support for Central American death squads the cover-up of the 1981 El Mozote massacre in El Salvador collaboration with Noriega protection for the heroin trade of another CIA-backed group, the Afghan mujahadeen Ferdinand Marcoss alleged multi-million-dollar pay-offs to Ronald Reagan the BCCI affair the savings-and-loan plundering and a hundred other economic rip-offs that enriched the few and left the nation trillions of dollars in debt. So it was not entirely surprising that Gary Webbs remarkable story about contras and crack caused not a ripple of official reaction.

The disclosures were not even mentioned in the nations two leading papers, The New York Times and The Washington Post. After all, since both prestige papers had blown the story in the 1980s, they werent eager to admit their screw-up now. That disturbing reality was underscored again this past month by an exhaustively researched series by Gary Webb in The San Jose Mercury-News.

Webbs three-part series, with supporting documentation, traced the crack epidemic that devastated Los Angeles and other U.S. cities to massive shipments of cocaine smuggled by elements of the CIA-organized Nicaraguan contra army in the early-to-mid 1980s. Danilo Blandon Reyes, a former contra leader and drug dealer, testified during a recent cocaine trafficking trial in San Diego that the smuggling was given a green light by the late Enrique Bermudez, who commanded the FDN, the largest contra force and the one most closely associated with the CIA.


heh heh heh...

THE WRAP UP...

bushCO and CRONYs WON'T LISTEN, george w. bush WON'T CHANGE AND HE IS FELONIOUS......

DO YOU HAVE THE STONES?

EITHER ADDRESS THE PROBLEM IN FRONT OF YOU OR SHUT UP....

HE IS A LITTLE PR*CK THAT NEEDS TO BE SET DOWN HARD....and then kicked down the street long enough that he doesnt even think about revenge....

He represents a certain kind of thinking that needs to be hurt badly and then hurt again before he desists....

you have to stop him _permanently_ and all associated with him...

otherwise like a disease that you didn't take your meds long enough for it comes roaring back...

and this is a disease.... stomp it out.

THERE IS NO NICE WAY, QUIT LOOKING, TAKE CARE OF IT OR SHUT UP...

BECAUSE YOU WONT BE LISTENED TO....

_THAT_ IS THE FRICKING POINT!


Posted by: make a difference....learn to understand who is currently in charge...and take them out.... | May 3, 2008 12:47 AM | Report abuse


dishonestly taking over countries, running the elections through electoral fraud, bribery, propaganda, intimidation, using laws in such a twisted way as to be nearly indistinguisable from felonies, stacking the court systems, killing DC madams...


LOOK, IT IS WHAT THESE PEOPLE DO......

There has never been, before the internet, this _unregulated_exposure_

LIKE THIS ARTICLE: There has been no serious follow-up on a host of other Reagan-Bush crimes either: the support for Central American death squads the cover-up of the 1981 El Mozote massacre in El Salvador collaboration with Noriega protection for the heroin trade of another CIA-backed group, the Afghan mujahadeen Ferdinand Marcoss alleged multi-million-dollar pay-offs to Ronald Reagan the BCCI affair the savings-and-loan plundering and a hundred other economic rip-offs that enriched the few and left the nation trillions of dollars in debt. So it was not entirely surprising that Gary Webbs remarkable story about contras and crack caused not a ripple of official reaction.

The disclosures were not even mentioned in the nations two leading papers, The New York Times and The Washington Post. After all, since both prestige papers had blown the story in the 1980s, they werent eager to admit their screw-up now. That disturbing reality was underscored again this past month by an exhaustively researched series by Gary Webb in The San Jose Mercury-News.

Webbs three-part series, with supporting documentation, traced the crack epidemic that devastated Los Angeles and other U.S. cities to massive shipments of cocaine smuggled by elements of the CIA-organized Nicaraguan contra army in the early-to-mid 1980s. Danilo Blandon Reyes, a former contra leader and drug dealer, testified during a recent cocaine trafficking trial in San Diego that the smuggling was given a green light by the late Enrique Bermudez, who commanded the FDN, the largest contra force and the one most closely associated with the CIA.


heh heh heh...

THE WRAP UP...

bushCO and CRONYs WON'T LISTEN, george w. bush WON'T CHANGE AND HE IS FELONIOUS......

DO YOU HAVE THE STONES?

EITHER ADDRESS THE PROBLEM IN FRONT OF YOU OR SHUT UP....

HE IS A LITTLE PR*CK THAT NEEDS TO BE SET DOWN HARD....and then kicked down the street long enough that he doesnt even think about revenge....

He represents a certain kind of thinking that needs to be hurt badly and then hurt again before he desists....

you have to stop him _permanently_ and all associated with him...

otherwise like a disease that you didn't take your meds long enough for it comes roaring back...

and this is a disease.... stomp it out.

THERE IS NO NICE WAY, QUIT LOOKING, TAKE CARE OF IT OR SHUT UP...

BECAUSE YOU WONT BE LISTENED TO....

_THAT_ IS THE FRICKING POINT!


Posted by: hello americans.... | May 3, 2008 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Tribunal Powers

The questions about Gates's integrity and independence stand out in even sharper relief now because of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006. The new law empowers the Defense Secretary to create a parallel American legal system, existing outside the protections of the U.S. Constitution.

As Defense Secretary, Gates would handpick the military judges and set the rules for administering the system, which was established under a law passed by Congress in September and signed by President Bush on Oct. 17. The law allows the jailing of both "unlawful enemy combatants" and "any person" who allegedly helps them.

While the new law explicitly strips non-U.S. citizens of the habeas corpus right to a fair and speedy trial, the law implicitly does the same to U.S. citizens in a section that covers "any person" who "aids, abets, counsels, commands or procures" actions by "unlawful enemy combatants."

Anyone who is thrust into this parallel legal system is barred from filing any motions "whatsoever" with a civilian court, presumably preventing assertion by citizens and non-citizens alike of habeas corpus or other constitutional rights. [See Consortiumnews.com's "Who Is 'Any Person' in Tribunal Law."]

Given the sweeping powers that Gates would inherent as Defense Secretary, the Senate Armed Services Committee might want to take a little more time before it rushes through his confirmation.

Currently, Gates is expected to undergo gentle questioning mostly focused on the Iraq War during pro forma confirmation hearings on Dec. 5. According to this thinking, his confirmation by the full Senate would follow quickly during the lame-duck session with the Republicans still in the majority.

But before Gates's confirmation by acclamation, senators might want to consider posing the following questions:

1. In a 1995 affidavit, former NSC official Howard Teicher put you in the middle of arranging third-country arms shipments to Iraq in the 1980s. Exactly what was your role in dealing with the issue of third-country military shipments to Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War? Were you ever approached by Israeli representatives who voiced concerns about some of these shipments, particularly those involving dangerous chemicals? If so, what did you do about these Israeli concerns? What do you know about Chilean arms dealer Carlos Cardoen?

2. In December 1984, you wrote a memo to CIA Director William Casey recommending, among other things, the bombing of military targets in Nicaragua. You warned that if your tough recommendations weren't followed, you envisioned a permanent "Marxist-Leninist" state in Central America. As it turned out, the Reagan administration rejected your advice as too extreme and the Sandinistas surrendered power via an election in 1990. In hindsight, do you acknowledge that your recommendations were misguided? Since you made them when you were in charge of the analytical division, do you believe you overstepped your bounds by getting involved in policy recommendations? Given the damage to U.S. national interests that has followed the faulty intelligence on Iraq's WMD, do you believe it's wise for the deputy director for intelligence to offer detailed policy prescriptions?

3. In a 1993 report to Rep. Lee Hamilton, the Russian government said its intelligence files put you in a meeting in Paris in October 1980 with Iranian representatives about American hostages then held in Iran. At that time, you were the executive assistant to CIA Director Stansfield Turner. Though you denied participating in such a meeting during your 1991 confirmation hearings, this Russian report followed that denial. First, do you stand by your earlier denial? And second, can you turn over to Congress records that would verify your whereabouts during the relevant period of mid-October 1980, particularly the weekend of Oct. 18-19?


Posted by: robert m. gates treason artist... | May 3, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

why would INSIDER WASHINGTON want you to chose Obama?

same reason, Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter didn't look too bad coming in...


the REPUBLICK CONNERS, knew that Jimmy and BIlL, would expect to be treated like

"somebody,"

and before they figured out who was friend or foe, they would be drawn and quartered....


Obama, is a nice guy, it's not enough...


I would take Dennis K. over Obama, because DENNIS at least knows who and what the Washington INSIDERS are....


.O ba ba mans' big supporters...

.I believe Kerry took a dive in 2004.

.Teddy Kennedy, _they_ let him live....after Chappaquidick he hid in the hotel room for hours....it was all over town...they let him live after he rolled...


.


one of the most common things about "polls," and spin artists is the way they constantly try to get you "the public," to come to the conclusions that they want you to....


George H.W. Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Baker, Gates...have been involved in manipulating countries besides the United States for over 50 years....


there is no difference between Nicaragua, Venezuela, and the United States with these guys running around pumping out the conclusions that they want you to come to...

wanna know what is going on?


don't react to the framing.


pay attention. make them react to _your_ framing...


could they plant someone to bring Obama down?

could they plant someone/thing to bring Dan Rather down?


don't be simpletons...


they stand to lose BILLIONS, what do you think????


they don't want INSIDER WASHINGTON BEING UNDER SCRUTINY....

Guilliani, Edwards, Obama, Hillary....


it doesn't matter, run with your own people.

.look at who is advising you. and say, "do I trust this?"


it may make a huge difference, stay in the open and ask questions as well as answer them...

.

Posted by: aloha little hosers..... | May 3, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse


Of course she's hit her groove. Hillary is at her best when she's divided everyone, alienated and marginalized others, rallied the lowest of low in people to her fear mongering and pandering call, and now believes she can move in for the kill. She is everything that is sad and sorry and destructive about America.

Posted by: AC | May 3, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

.... YAH SEE, BUSH IS ALL ABOUT HIS FAMILY OF PEERS...

YOU ORDINARY CITIZENS ARE NOT AS IMPORTANT AS HIS DEALS WITH HIS SAND BROTHERS, or the CHEAPER PEASANTS TO THE SOUTH...as in _ILLEGAL_ ALIENS THAT HE GEORGE W. BUSH,

IS IMPORTING TO TAKE YOUR FRICKING JAWBS... , hell he worked with then Presidente Vincente' Fox to lobby CONGRESS, to pass AMNESTY w/no background check...he lubbs you AMERICANs!!!!!! not at all....

Grow up, look at the world around, you, quit answering their framing...

IT WOULDNT MATTER IF THE PERFECT PLAN SHOWED UP, IF THEY DONT GET LAID IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN....

pull your heads out of your rear ends and look at it...

this _is_ the situation, thieves are running your country _for_themselves_ AND EXCLUDING YOU FROM BENEFITTING....

THE SAUDIS WILL GET MORE FROM THIS THAN THE AVERAGE US CITIZEN!!!!!!!!!

WHY DO YOU THINK THEY ARE HELPING?

Comment on: Negative Perceptions Dogging Clinton Among Voters in Iowa at 10/7/2007 1:02 AM EDT
why would INSIDER WASHINGTON want you to chose Obama?

same reason, Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter didn't look too bad coming in...


they knew that they would expect to be treated like

"somebody,"

and before they figured out who was friend or foe, they would be drawn and quartered....


Obama, is a nice guy, it's not enough...


I would take Dennis K. over Obama, because he knows who and what the Washington INSIDERS are....


.

.and personally, it seems to me that the ba ba man supporter, Kerry, about him,


I believe Kerry took a dive in 2004....

for a fellow skull and boner, to protect his wife...


.


.

Posted by: hey little hosers.... | May 3, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse


Obamabots are children.

Listen to them when they are LOSING.


God BLESS America.

The masks are melting off the Plastic Product of David Axelord Marketing Master

Axelrod has created a miracle - something out of NOTHING


TYPICAL SMALL TOWN BITTER WHITE FOLK ARE NOT LUNCH PAIL DUMMIES LIKE OBAMA THINKS

THEY ARE INTELLIGENT, LIFE EXPEREINCED PEOPLE WHO CAN SEE THROUGH PHONYS LIKE OBAMA


GOD DOES BLESS AMERICA

Posted by: Anonymous | May 3, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

The Wright/Obama feud is just more typical black on black crime

They deserve one another

Posted by: DYLAN | May 3, 2008 12:35 AM | Report abuse

10/7/2007 2:15 AM EDT

let's be frank here...

sh*t is sh*t....

it doesn't matter what party anyone belongs to, anyone trying to sell you that perspective is interested in keeping the electorate dumbed down...


that being said, the current crop of Republicans are not AMERICANs...


using hate as a family value, they sold out and sold that too the blue collar manufacturing/trade...

MIDDLE CLASS BLUE COLLAR PEOPLE...


and delivered them....NOTHING, not a fricking thing...

all manufacturing jobs got outsourced, UNION jobs got replaced with TEMP workers...

factories closed, people lost jobs by the 10's of THOUSANDS WEEKLY...entire towns without jobs...


and CONGRESS voted to change bankruptcy laws so that someone declaring bankruptcy couldn't be excused from that debt if it wasn't there fault....


previously, it was an automatic given, if someone got caught in a bind because of things out of their control....a debt was forgiven...almost automatically...


bushCO and CRONYs and COMPLICIT CONGRESS...passed laws to protect the corporate interests while ignoring the constituency...


the same thing happened with BIG PHARMA, bushCO and CRONYs and complicit CONGRESS, passed laws against shopping online for MEDS....seniors suffered.....then immediately after that....


bushCO and CRONYs whacked $30/month out of medicare meds payments to seniors to help fund the OCCUPATION OF IRAQ...


the republicans stand for one thing, selfinterest, greed, corporatocracy vs. the people....and DEEP STUPIDITY...


.plain and simple.

casterating them, "metaphorically" every one of them would be good for the gene pool... and your childrens future...


how do you do that? sue them into oblivion, take every dime from them...sue them as a class action suit

for treason and conspiracy....using the CIA as a party tool


knowingly.


it'll be soooooooooooo sweet.....

and this is the irony, of it they will get rear ended by and Indian known as BIG SUE in the Fort Levinworth PENETENTIary for the rest of their lives....it's what they live for....

give it to them.

.

Posted by: wake up little sheeple wake up...it's a quarter to two... | May 3, 2008 12:34 AM | Report abuse

obam ba ba man supporters do nothing but

bash Hillary ???


because they're actually republick scammers that will


DISAPPEAR IN NOVEMBER

suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu prize !!!!!!!!!!!!!! catch a clue, you're being supported by sodom mites ba ba boyah



actually,


most of the criticism here is part of the


WASHINGTON INSIDER CONNINGS PIRACY...


I was not a Hillary supporter , nor was I against her...


but I do know what is happening right here, right now...


you are telling the world what you are...


a normal way of "you guys," setting someone up is claiming that

"they are doing what you are doing,"


or trying to "look like the good guys,"


anyone watching your posts for a few mintues knows who you are...


especially when I help them a little...


want to by analyzed???? little slitherins?


.

Posted by: why is it that | May 3, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

THE WAPO IS NOW LETTING CHEERLEADERS
COVER CAMPAIGNS??????

Posted by: klintonkoolaid | May 3, 2008 12:29 AM | Report abuse


IRAQ LIBERATORS???? the five reasons

bushCO and CRONYs are in IRAQ all start with "M."


1. money from big oil

2. money from war profiteering

3. money from zionistas

4. money from Sand Brother collusionists

5. money from drug trafficking billions of dollars from unrecorded profits of AFGHANI HEROIN....good for little children to put in their stockings at antichrist mass right ...FO



Comment on: UN Urges U.S. to Hold Security Firms in Iraq Accountable at 10/11/2007 11:23 AM EDT
CONDO Leeza RICE,

what are her credentials for Secretary of State???


10 years on the board of directors of CHEVRON, and being black and a woman...


"appearing to be impartial," by appearance only...


she and theDICK see eye-to-eye on business...that's why she was hired...


TransAfghanistan Pipeline, was negotiated by the DickCheesie last year...


it was written up in all of the papers right???? he negotiated the deal for CHEVRON, with the appointed Afghani government, the head of it a former UNOCAL nee Chevron employee...

how is that for serendipity...


trashing the U.N. is a favorite AEI game,

SEARCH on AEI, PNAC, JINSA


find out why AEI is briefing the whitehouse about "what to do," in the world as the whitehouse ignores the CIA and other intelligence agencies in favor of National Intelligence cooked data...


so why did the Whitehouse leak the "al Queada," video in advance of it's release date???


stupidity? or just letting the firm producing the video know that they had been infiltrated???

get a grip AMERICA, your Executive branch isn't in it for AMERICA's best interest...you have criminals in charge of the US TREASURY Department...

as in Paul Bremer and 12 BILLION $DOLLARS$ in shrink wrapped plastic disappearing in IRAQ with no paper trail

WTF AMERICA????? that was your fricking money.

.

Posted by: hey little hoser aka major teddy wearing freek boy and BJ giver... | May 3, 2008 12:28 AM | Report abuse


Comment on: Feats Divide Pair Linked by Election at 10/13/2007 7:17 PM EDT
the main difference between Al Gore and George Bush is the same difference between


Hitler and JFK


intent.


Hitler is a selfish little sh*t that used hate and demagogurey as his main tools...

that's an accurate disscription of the George Bushes too/two...


Al Gore sought to make the world a better place to live in...as did Carter and Clinton...

the Nobel Prize, the Oscar, the Emmy are his proof is in the pudding...


I persnoally would like to pee in George W.'s face in public...

that is the reward he should get and I assure you there would be a long line before and after me...


his is the son of scum and continues that legacy...

.

Comment on: Former CEO Says U.S. Punished Phone Firm at 10/13/2007 6:45 PM EDT
"BEFORE NINE ELEVEN aka before 9/11"

the NCLB Act was putin to place...


a little known clause within it?


DRAFT MATERIAL for all graduating SENIORS was to be forwarded by mandate to SELECTIVE SERVICE BOARDS....


in anticipation of needing a draft....that was 7 months before 9/11...


you know what else was before 9/11?

the decision to attack IRAQ, the Israelis' placed that on their front burner[1995], Cheney heard about it, and used it..."PNAC Letter to CLINTON," was all about IRAQ....Wolfowitz, the Kagans, Libby, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bolton, Feith, and other neo conartiste' luminaries signed it...1998

want to know what else was pre 911????

DHS and the National Intelligence agency and acquiring "war powers,"

to avoid oversight and attain powers which avoided being held responsible, or going though Congress...

appointing the DIRECTORSHIP to dad's old agent of disinformation John Negroponte' , allowed George W. to say what intelligence was...and ignore the other agencies intelligence...by law...

DHS? puts a crony in power of the agency which is supposed to "protect the homelunt,"

right and my name is rumpled fourskein....

SEARCH on Michael Chertoff and Green Quest.....

electoral fraud in 2000, and a false flag attack...

Search on REICHSTAG FIRE, nazis

Karl Roverer has nazi roots in his family...Argentina was home to Nazis escaping prosecution as war criminals....Poppy/George H.W. Bush, love s those jackboots and being dominated...

.

the only people working with IRAN

are bushCO and CRONYs...

they probably have IRANI INSIDERS that are trying to depose the current regime...

just like the IRAQI quislings selling out their home country...

and as far as KURDISH people go, how did bushCO and CRONYS treat them after Desert Storm???


abandoned them on the border between Turkey and IRAQ while Saddam straffed their camps with attack helicoptors after GEORGE H.W. BUSH said that if the Kurds helped the U.S. troops against SADDAM he would help them....GEORGE H.W. BUSH ABANDONED THEM TO DIE...


and that was after he and RUMSFELD SOLD CHEMICAL WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION to their accomplice SADDAM that were used enmasse against the KURDS TO TRY AND DESTROY THEM IN TOTO/GENOCIDAL MURDERING...

GEORGE H.W. BUSH PROPPED UP SADDAM HUSSEING AND called him the, "BUTCHER OF BAG HA DHAD," so he could pluck him w/o causing an uproar later...

GEORGE H.W. BUSH ENABLED SADDAM TO RULE...

Israel wants little george to clear the area so that they can move in...they got dibbs...

Posted by: hey little hosers.... | May 3, 2008 12:26 AM | Report abuse

the


bush family is the epitome of cowardice...


and mudering...as evidenced by the death of the DC Madam...

draft dodging, favor using sons of elite...


both of the effete hip wiggling commies were cheer leaders...

and George H.W. jettisoned the plane that he was piloting on a milk run/bombing run in the last days of the war in the Pacific....

he the pilot, ejected and left two men strapped into that plane to find out that they had been left behind, by dying...

they sank to the bottom of the ocean in that plane, because george H.W. wetshispants the first, POPPY.... ejected without giving them the courtesy of goodbye, he didn't tell his gunners and bombers he let them find out by dying...

you are a b.s. er and I have nothing to fear from anyone that you back unless you consider dawg sh*t on my shoes after kicking your a** to be lethal...


.

the truth frightens evil,

that's why ekim53 lies...

Jimmy Carter was backstabbed...


the current secretary of defense, an IRAN CONTRA felon Robert M. Gates, went to Paris

while Carter was President, and committed treason against that president by conspiring with the then Director of the CIA and George H.W. Bush to have the IRAN hostage released after the election...

I will be posting that information in more detail for your viewing pleasure so that people can see that you lie as easily


as you hawk your wares, even though it is expressly forbidden to use these comments for personal commercial purpose...

liar.

.what would you expect from a person that backs, evil personified...???

satan lover.

.

Posted by: hey little hosers... | May 3, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Hillary submitted her gas holiday bill and told the Congress to be for her or against her. They said sayonara Hillary! It looks like that may be the response come nomination time.The old pros can see that the Clintons are preparing to split off from the Democratic Party for a third party try and take as much of it with them as they can.

Posted by: majorteddy | May 3, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse


we have reached the limits of our borders.

There is _no_ westward expansion. There is no need for _useless_ members of society...

we need to use _everyone_ that we have....

ANALOGY WARNING:
There is a need to see _all_ people as being in the soup...if you put in a "bad taste," the ENTIRE SOUP TASTES BAD.

In the realworld ecology of humanity, we each and everyone, affect each other. There is no way to have a good soup, if some of the soup tastes bad.

IF SOMEONE IN THE UNITED STATES, has a bad life because of throughtlessness, theirs or yours.

To work for all of the soup to taste good is in the highest interests for all members of the soup.

Example: Since there is a great deal more money to be made in quick business deals of "acquiring more," the current administration is working on shedding the burden of helping the people that they have purposely disenfranchised.

Let us look at a SINGLE ISSUE, that shows the pattern.

current bankruptcy laws:

Passing BANKRUPTCY LAWS that protect the CORPORATIONS, but leave the consumers liable...like old debtor prisons. Today, bankruptcy laws prevent people from getting out from under debt, even though they may have been thrust into an economic situation that they have no control over. Congress REMOVED a judges ability to say "you shouldn't have to pay for this, because it wasn't your fault." That is the newest bankruptcy law.

why have there been surges in bankruptcy?

a. outsourcing

b. downsizing

c. internationalization/selling of the outsourced downsized companies to international conglomerates that don't have a country that they represent/support....then firing in_country manufacturing and moving it overseas.

What are the people "in charge," missing?

That they are making some pieces of the soup taste like s***. They are turning some peoples lives into s***.

In fuedal Europe, this is the norm. The royalty lives well, and the peasants get what the king doesn't steal from them.

The sentence immediately above is what is going on in the United States _right_now_.

The people "in charge," have a responsiblity to us, the rest of the soup, that the soup doesn't taste bad. If the soup tastes bad at an international level, the whole world will lose, as it will be selfishness and 3RD WORLD CONDITIONS FOR EVERYONE in the world, ALL OVER AGAIN.

You all, "people in charge," seem to think that every man for themselves is the way_to_go. Obfuscation, lying, cheating and spinning are _world_class_ behaviours.

Sorry, we've already been there.

Democracy, a citizenship that is intelligent enough to make decisions based upon an honest enough understanding of issues is what made America great during the 50's thru the early 80's. That is except for Americas disenfranchised.

But I can solve that easily.

What I am pointing out is an essential fact or two.

1. We are not in expansionist mode...we have to look at how actions affect other people.

a. there are a limited number of resources for our current population.

b. if the people who are in charge don't realize this and manage it, they will end up creating more disenfrachised or stealing from a group. And create more poor people.

2. IF there are a limited number of resources, we have to start looking at the best use of them.

3. WE _HAVE_TO_ hire/elect people that will use resources wisely and thoughtfully. Otherwise the soup will taste bad, there will be more peasants.

This is not about parties, this is about selfishness and stupidity.

Either you get some people running the country that aren't into caste based decision making or everything is going to taste bad pretty soon.

CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?

good a last point: In the old days, 1950 and before, f*cking up was largely absorbed due to the relatively large areas of undeveloped resources and lower population. Nowdays small things can cause an avalanche of threatening conditions...economically, climatewise and resource wise...

Selfish, thoughtless, uncaring people can not be allowed to control governments.

Do something about it. end bushCO and CRONYISM...._PERMANENTLY_

hold them responsbible.

.


Posted by: forget about the bah man...he don't know jack...he jess meks up sschitt...and tries to sell it... | May 3, 2008 12:22 AM | Report abuse


Bush was hadly "defensive" as Froomkin claims. Indeed, he was "offensive." that is, he was on the offensive throughout the session.

AFRAID OF ME? responds:

when someone is about to have their a** handed to them, one way of being defensive is to attack...

look,

real offense doesn't waste time with defense...bushCO and CRONYs have been on offense since pre 2000...

sh*tting on Clinton, taking Gore down via electoral fraud, and using polarization, demagoguery and pre-election coup planning with great efficiency...

9/11 happens DHS, and the National Intelligence agency spring up to take the over from CIA/FBI, FEMA/INS

oversight becomes a "historical phrase," because it doesn't exist...

NCLB act is passed 7 months before 9/11, that requires _all_ high schools to send contact information for all graduating seniors to the Selective Service BOARD...DRAFT may be imminent.

QWEST, as many of you have learned over the weekend was approached by NSA six [6] MONTHS BEFORE 9/11 to start the NSA SPYING PROGRAM....they refused and the NSA pulled several multimillion dollar contracts and QWEST tanked....pure offense on the administrations part...

filoporquequilo continues:
On Iran and WW3, I'm unaware of any offensive inclination that country has. No one is suggesting it plans to invade anyone. Nuclear weapons would be used for defense.


AFRAID OF ME? RESPONDS:

quite right, and it's a mute point since they are so hopelessly out gunned...


bushCO and CRONYs are looking for the draft, to pull their economic a**es out of the fire...

with a draft and the country believing that "we the people," have no choice....they can pump IRAQ dry, continue the BILLION DOLLAR DRUG TRAFFICKING and complete the TRANSAFGHANISTAN PIPELINE THROUGH AFGHANISTAN....

and start running RUSSIAN NATURAL GAS THROUGH THE NORTH OF CANADA W/O PERMISSION...via TANKER

listen closely....

and start running RUSSIAN NATURAL GAS THROUGH THE NORTH OF CANADA W/O PERMISSION...via TANKER,

they are going to claim that Canadian Territory doesn't belong to Canada and start running tankers through the region with no regard to the future of that area...as in "wilderness area," invaded by commercial vessels that pretend to have the nations best interests at heart...

NSA, FBI, F*ck, insidious, dangerous, Interpol, Nastanchynhia, Kerol, greb, aggresion, CIA, alto plano.

.


Posted by: heya nick.... | May 3, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Why do those who profess to be agents of hope speak nothing but hate? The Obama supporters here and on other sites are savage, crude, feral, bloody-minded, vulgar, and evil. Why is that?

Posted by: doyenne50 | May 3, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

"...However, most pundits believe that there was a secret meeting this past week between Obama and Rev. Wright which allows the illinois senator to publicy denounce his pastor solely for political expediency."

Why does he need his pastor's permission to denounce him?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 3, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

what do the five reasons for being in IRAQ all have in common?

____________________MONEY___________________


for bushCO and CRONYs...


not for AMERICA, ask a returning VET.

.

1. money from war profiteering Bechtel, Halliburton/KBR/Blackwater, Carlyle Group...

2. money from ISRAEL...AEI, PNAC, JINSA, AIPAC, CSP, Richard Perle, William Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, Douglas Feith, Libby, Paul Wolfowitz, Bolton...

3. Sand Brothers money. UAE/SAUDI/Kuwiat

4. BIG OIL...BP, EXXON-MOBIL, SHELL, CHEVRON....payoffs, favors, nee Enron...

5. Money Laundering BCCI, DRUG MONEY, DRUG TRAFFICKING....IRAN CONTRA, CIA, Gary Webb, Parry... call me a liar and search on any of those entries...

grow up sheeple, get edu micated.

Posted by: defensive little hosers ??????? | May 3, 2008 12:20 AM | Report abuse

some obvious predictions you might have forgotten....

10/22/2007 9:54 PM EDT
what the INSIDER WASHINGTON crewe will do is this...


start trying to stick bushCO and CRONYism stain onto Hillary...and "the Democrats," after all it was

Larry Craig of tap dancing fame and Newt Gingrich who was schtupping a fellow Congresswoman...while his wife was sick in bed...that were loudly proclaiming about "morality," and Bill Clinton....they don't have any they just like to use it...

Democrats can't control Congress, like the Republicans _did_ , anyone saying other wise is a fricking liar.


Tom Delay, was in St. Louis in August, he was quoted as saying....


"What we need to do is stop Hillary, if we can't it's over."


you know why he said that ???


Bill, Hillary, Al and others know the difference between government and graft....

they know who the players are now.

A Clinton in office would be insider Washington's worst nightmare....

this will continue. and I will destroy them....but pay a little attention...

watch it happen.

.
some obvious predictions you might have forgotten....

Posted by: some obvious predictions you might have forgotten.... | May 3, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

It is a delusion that Clinton would be ahead in the popular vote . This does not take into account the portion of the vote as uncommitted attributed to Obama in Michigan or the half a million lead in the votes he received in the caucus states. They count also.

Posted by: LetthemdrinkCrownRoyal | May 3, 2008 12:19 AM | Report abuse

10/22/2007 9:54 PM EDT
what the INSIDER WASHINGTON crewe will do is this...


start trying to stick bushCO and CRONYism stain onto Hillary...and "the Democrats," after all it was

Larry Craig of tap dancing fame and Newt Gingrich who was schtupping a fellow Congresswoman...while his wife was sick in bed...that were loudly proclaiming about "morality," and Bill Clinton....they don't have any they just like to use it...

Democrats can't control Congress, like the Republicans _did_ , anyone saying other wise is a fricking liar.


Tom Delay, was in St. Louis in August, he was quoted as saying....


"What we need to do is stop Hillary, if we can't it's over."


you know why he said that ???


Bill, Hillary, Al and others know the difference between government and graft....

they know who the players are now.

A Clinton in office would be insider Washington's worst nightmare....

this will continue. and I will destroy them....but pay a little attention...

watch it happen.

.
some obvious predictions you might have forgotten....

Posted by: some obvious predictions you might have forgotten.... | May 3, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

10/22/2007 9:54 PM EDT
what the INSIDER WASHINGTON crewe will do is this...


start trying to stick bushCO and CRONYism stain onto Hillary...and "the Democrats," after all it was

Larry Craig of tap dancing fame and Newt Gingrich who was schtupping a fellow Congresswoman...while his wife was sick in bed...that were loudly proclaiming about "morality," and Bill Clinton....they don't have any they just like to use it...

Democrats can't control Congress, like the Republicans _did_ , anyone saying other wise is a fricking liar.


Tom Delay, was in St. Louis in August, he was quoted as saying....


"What we need to do is stop Hillary, if we can't it's over."


you know why he said that ???


Bill, Hillary, Al and others know the difference between government and graft....

they know who the players are now.

A Clinton in office would be insider Washington's worst nightmare....

this will continue. and I will destroy them....but pay a little attention...

watch it happen.

.
some obvious predictions you might have forgotten....

Posted by: some obvious predictions you might have forgotten.... | May 3, 2008 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Very true, Obama's supporters have no class at all. They are unbelievably crude and disgusting.

Posted by: doyenne50 | May 3, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

10/22/2007 9:54 PM EDT
what the INSIDER WASHINGTON crewe will do is this...


start trying to stick bushCO and CRONYism stain onto Hillary...and "the Democrats," after all it was

Larry Craig of tap dancing fame and Newt Gingrich who was schtupping a fellow Congresswoman...while his wife was sick in bed...that were loudly proclaiming about "morality," and Bill Clinton....they don't have any they just like to use it...

Democrats can't control Congress, like the Republicans _did_ , anyone saying other wise is a fricking liar.


Tom Delay, was in St. Louis in August, he was quoted as saying....


"What we need to do is stop Hillary, if we can't it's over."


you know why he said that ???


Bill, Hillary, Al and others know the difference between government and graft....

they know who the players are now.

A Clinton in office would be insider Washington's worst nightmare....

this will continue. and I will destroy them....but pay a little attention...

watch it happen.

.

Posted by: republicans are like hemmeroids on yur axxholes everyone has one but we all wish they would just go | May 3, 2008 12:16 AM | Report abuse

10/22/2007 9:54 PM EDT
what the INSIDER WASHINGTON crewe will do is this...


start trying to stick bushCO and CRONYism stain onto Hillary...and "the Democrats," after all it was

Larry Craig of tap dancing fame and Newt Gingrich who was schtupping a fellow Congresswoman...while his wife was sick in bed...that were loudly proclaiming about "morality," and Bill Clinton....they don't have any they just like to use it...

Democrats can't control Congress, like the Republicans _did_ , anyone saying other wise is a fricking liar.


Tom Delay, was in St. Louis in August, he was quoted as saying....


"What we need to do is stop Hillary, if we can't it's over."


you know why he said that ???


Bill, Hillary, Al and others know the difference between government and graft....

they know who the players are now.

A Clinton in office would be insider Washington's worst nightmare....

this will continue. and I will destroy them....but pay a little attention...

watch it happen.

.

Posted by: some obvious predictions you might have forgotten.... | May 3, 2008 12:14 AM | Report abuse


I am happy that Hillary has finally found her true love in Hanity and Rush and others who almost drove Bill out of office for refusing to repent.

she is so unprincipled she is willing now to bend to meet her Goldwater roots.

Posted by: al | May 3, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse


http://www.turkishweekly.net/comments.php?id=1985

Iraq of Bush and Cheney

by a Turk, Abdel Wahab Badrakhan


Tuesday , 21 March 2006


On the third anniversary marking the start of War on Iraq, and after all what happened since the occupation, it is yet to be known if another people is willing to hand in its fate to the US soliciting liberation from a blood-thirsty dictator, only to cast it into the mazes of a fierce civil war. It is true that the sway of Saddam's governance created an apparent "stability," a seemingly "unified" country, as well as a people more incline to "secular" behavior, also apparently.

However, the architects of the invasion and occupation considered the possibility of using "the positive fundamentals" of the previous regime; they rather relied thereon as encouraging elements for war.

Once the invaders arrived to Baghdad and overthrew the regime and its statues, they started to destroy everything, the State, the Army, and the institutions (except for the part related to oil).

The occupation authority ended up standing on the ruins of a country, to the extend of uprooting police centers even in regions where it was not even present.

There was no one left to call in case of emergency.


this is what the world sees, a bushCO und CRONERStag


_________O_C_C_U_P_A_T_I_O_N___________


hey Katie Kouric, get your head out of Georges but...

.


.

WHY WOULD GEORGIE WORGIE DO SUCH A THING ????


destroy an entire country, and it's infrastructure ??? cast 4,000,000 REFUGEES into other countries....

LISTEN CLOSELY: people just trying to survive, don't fight back...

they let themselves be told what their choices are....and they don't contest them...thier lives are hanging by a string as it is...they don't need no fricking "liberation," they need food, water, clothing, electricity, a job

and the bad guys to disappear...


why isn't AMERICA fighting back against it's own dictatorship ???


they are too busy too, trying to "get by,"


look at the empty factories

look at customer service overseas

look at computer jobs, overseas

look at medical jobs going overseas

look at foreigners controlling former AMERICAN COPORATIONS, and making decisions based upon what is best for their "families," AND NOT EVEN considering what is best for AMERICA at all...


globalization ??? right....that's what it is.

if you consider the MAFIA a governing body


bushCO and CRONYs und families is ~= mafia


"~=" means is "approximately equal to"


give it up for ORGANIZED CRIME, that is what bushCO and CRONYs are...

.EXAMPLEs:
1. Scooter Libby

2. IRAN CONTRA in the whitehouse

3. bush family collusion w/nazis, with no repurcussion...teaching the children that treason is alright as long as no one prosecutes.

.


Posted by: dishonest republicans are the only republicans that exist....scum | May 3, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

want to have the Congressional Budget go farther ???

CONSCRIPT THE CONTRACTORS, including their owners....


put them on GS-SCALE it is a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY....

Posted by: simple solutions... | May 3, 2008 12:12 AM | Report abuse


this bug ger'nthief...george w. "LIPS" bushieboyah


carries his own soap....he calls it "9/11"


.and asks AMERICANs to "pick it up,"


when he throws it down....


he's a perp.

.

the bugger n' theif,

da's duh man....


how many children's lives has he interrupted permanently this year ????


in country and out of country, for beachfront property in Morroco...


no wonder they call it the shy tehouse now...


my country used to be....


an example of what good people could do working together...


before the coup.

.


.

who is head of DHS ????


Michael Chertoff.

who is he ???


search on MICHAEL CHERTOFF, Green QUEST...

he obstructed the search for the funders of 9/11....


before that he was a REPUBLICAN hassler of Clintons as the "whitewater prosecutor,"


what do he and Ken Starr have in common ??

they represent bushCO and CRONYs...


not AMERICA....get a clue.

they still haven't let the blacks back in, that they evacutated after Katrina.... they default on taxes, their property gets sold to

bushCO and CRONYs developers.....140,000 DEMOCRATS leave New Orleans....and some fat white guys get some prime realestate for nothing...


......

Posted by: hey little hosers.... | May 3, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse


Obama's supporters are HATEFUL.

Wow.

Nasty.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 3, 2008 12:10 AM | Report abuse

uncomfortable with evil?

don't you think "they," know that? We as AMERICANS have reached a point that we need to move beyond. Letting other people frame things is dangerous. Actually taking charge of things by working with the situation rather than the framing allows a person to sidestep contrivance and actually address issues that matter...

like those who were trying to attack Pelosi for going overseas and seeing for herself what was going on rather than believeing GeorgieWorgies framing...

....not everyone is going to get a moderator that has matching chemistry...learn to work with it...

practice it...

take the most damaging posts posted on comment boards and respond to them in private...without contrivance and honestly...just get through it

feel the desire to react and sit with it...

when it passes, respond.

_that_ is a form of desensitization...it disables self-reactivity...flusteredness


when the moderator asked Dennis K. if he was into UFO, Dennis should have said...

what has that got to do with foreign policy or healthcare....or I like Princess Leiah...it's a process, but sometimes it's good to forget that there's an audience...at least offline...

watch the movie "The Contender," with Jeff Bridges...it's interesting.

.

Posted by: hey little hosers.... | May 3, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

This one is funny:
VIDEO OF OBAMA APPROVING RUMSFELD AND OTHER BUSH APPOINTEES
http://tinyurl.com/528yrl

Posted by: Fred | May 3, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse


"In a remarkable new book, Firewall: The Iran-Contra Conspiracy and Cover-up, [Judge Lawrence] Walsh [special prosecutor in charge of the complex investigation into President Reagan's foreign policy mis-adventures] details his six-year battle to break through the 'firewall' that White House officials built around President Reagan and Vice President Bush after the Iran-contra scandal exploded in November 1986. For Walsh, a lifelong Republican who shared the foreign policy views of the Reagan administration, the Iran-contra experience was a life-changing one, as his investigation penetrated one wall of lies only to be confronted with another and another -- and not just lies from Oliver North and his cohorts but lies from nearly every senior administration official who spoke with investigators. According to Firewall, the cover-up conspiracy took formal shape at a meeting of Reagan and his top advisers in the Situation Room at the White House on Nov. 24, 1986. The meeting's principal point of concern was how to handle the troublesome fact that Reagan had approved illegal arms sales to Iran in fall 1985, before any covert-action finding had been signed. The act was a clear felony -- a violation of the Arms Export Control Act -- and possibly an impeachable offense... everyone at the meeting knew that Reagan had approved those shipments through Israel... Bush, who had been told of the shipment in advance by McFarlane, said nothing. Casey, who [had] requested that the president sign the retroactive finding to authorize the CIA-facilitated delivery, said nothing. [NSC adviser John] Poindexter, who had torn up the finding, said nothing. Meese asked whether anyone knew anything else that hadn't been revealed. No one spoke.... When Shultz returned to the State Department, he dictated a note to his aide, Charles Hill, who wrote down that Reagan's men were 'rearranging the record.'...The story might have stopped there but for the work of Walsh and his small team of lawyers. Yet Walsh's investigation was hampered from the start by congressional rashness and hostility from key elements of the media.... Walsh's investigation broke through the White House cover-up in 1991-92. Almost by accident, as Walsh's staff was double-checking some long-standing document requests, the lawyers discovered hidden notes belonging to Weinberger and other senior officials. The notes made clear that there was widespread knowledge of the 1985 illegal shipments to Iran and that a major cover-up had been orchestrated by the Reagan and Bush administrations.... The Republican independent counsel also infuriated the GOP when he submitted a second indictment of Weinberger on the Friday before the 1992 elections.

The indictment contained documents revealing that President Bush had been lying for years with his claim that he was 'out of the loop' on the Iran-contra decisions.

The ensuing furor dominated the last several days of the campaign and sealed Bush's defeat at the hands of Bill Clinton.

Walsh had discovered, too, that Bush had withheld his own notes about the Iran-contra affair, a discovery that elevated the president to a possible criminal subject of the investigation. But Bush had one more weapon in his arsenal. On Christmas Eve 1992, Bush destroyed the Iran-contra probe once and for all by pardoning Weinberger and five other convicted or indicted defendants. 'George Bush's misuse of the pardon power made the cover-up complete,' Walsh wrote.

'What set Iran-contra apart from previous political scandals was the fact that a cover-up engineered in the White House of one president and completed by his successor prevented the rule of law from being applied to the perpetrators of criminal activity of CONSTITUTINOAL dimension."


Firewall: Inside the Iran-Contra Cover-up - Robert Parry; Consortium News, 1997
Robert Parry is an investigative reporter who broke many of the Iran-contra stories for The Associated Press and Newsweek


Posted by: looks like there's about 40 percent of the posters here are GOPers posting for o bah bah mon...whooo | May 3, 2008 12:08 AM | Report abuse


we prop up an evil dictator, by spending


$760,000,000 [ seven hundred and sixty MILLION $DOLLARS$ a day ] on an occupation that will make some oil execs and war profiteers very wealthy

and will pay the AMERICAN PEOPLE JACK SH*T

W.T.F. AMERICANS, cut off the welfare already....


let cheenie, gonzales, karl, scrotumous LIbby, georgie, donnie and condosleezie... give back all duh money and just back away from the cash register slowly....


have them actually attempt to get jobs without someone having to die for them to be paid....

how're the VETS doing ???

if it were up to them the shyytehouse, would have some strange fruit hanging on the shyyte house lawn...

.

Posted by: tesseracts of eating your azzes out...with weasels... | May 3, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

Wow! I thought the article was right on!
You sure have a lot of hateful readers. They just happen to be Obama supporters that are getting nervous, as they should be.

I can't believe that any one would write that you are bias.

Obama is ahead at the moment only because of the media that has promoted him since Iowa. Now that Obama's past is coming to light he has become unelectable in November.
The truth hurts.

Clinton has the experience and the fight to lead this country that the Bush Administration has trashed for the last 7.4 years.

Posted by: Judy in Oregon | May 3, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Jack Smith. I see you have toned down your rhetoric a bit. I disagree with your thinking. Mine is as follows:

The endorsement that Andrew made yesterday that is being decried as meaningless by the Hillary camp, is a further support to my thinking. In itself, it is but a small step, but it supports a pattern that is unmistakable.

I believe Obama is not a typical politician - he is potentially much more and he was born to lead America at this time. The important question is - will America take up this generous and much needed opportunity?

Hillary can't win on the issues, she can't win on the numbers. She might win if she can leverage the party establishment sufficiently to over throw Obama's democratic winnings. While, as many have mentioned in other posts here, Obama has not exploited them, Hillary has many more skeletons -- and they are not even in the closet. I comment more on this in an earlier comment today.

The argument that her baggage has been picked over will mean nothing to the Republicans in the election. They will use everything that is there and stuff that we still don't even know about -- I'm sure there's more to come or perhaps to be invented in a way patented by Rove/Bush and currently licensed to Hillary.

Most important, Hillary is in my view fundamentally not a strong leader and most vulnerable on the issues to losing to McCain. Clearly, she does not possess experience competitive with him in the areas where she claims an advantage - ready on day one, security and war. Just where does she have any background that supports this - her say so and that of all the generals who have been told to back her? This does not give her the experience to go head to head on these issues with McCain. Indeed, she is untested except for the Bosnia sniper fire I suppose. And, her husband's experience does not count for her. And his daliances hurt.

Hillary's way to the nomination even with leverage on the party establishment is predicated on character assassination and racism. Obama's character is good and she can't dredge up any real issues- no Wright and Rezko and a slip of the tongue about guns and religion that is based in truth are not real character issues.

So she has initiated the chatter about guilt by association and she is trying to find as many such things and thread them together and say it makes a pattern. Now this gives license to the fools, the bigots and those afraid of change not to mention to bloggers that can hide behind anonymity in the virtual world. Also, to those that are figuratively blind supporters of her and the Republicans who now parrot obtuse connections to unsavory people or events and look to get it said that Obama and his wife are unpatriotic.

The best way for the Democrats to win in November is to harness the movement for change in politics and in Washington that Obama is leading. And not just to win, but because more importantly, it is critical to America's future. Many now can see that this is a movement by the grass roots, not just a some well spoken words from Obama as some would have you believe. If Clinton got on the bus instead of throwing herself in front of it, all the more powerful. If she stopped crying "Obama is bad, the sky is falling, and I'm much better than what I say he is" and get on the bus, well, all the more powerful too.

I think now that Wright has spoken out so fully that the world can clearly see he has his own issues, this will now fall away. It is clear now that Obama is not Wright and that Wright is not Obama. These are two different people who are clearly of opposing views on the issues. To now even suggest that Obama also holds Wright's instead of the right views is like suggesting he believes in aliens. This is now clear to reasonable thinking people, which I believe the majority of Americans are. And these people know it is time and I think actually have already moved on -- it is way overdue. This is not expedient for Obama -- it is imperative for America so she can get on with the challenge of restoring herself.

I ask Americans to step back from the fantic blogging and the fueling of divisive issues that are being stoked. Particularly those that call themselves leaders in the media and in the political sphere. I think if you do that the reality of the situation and the immediacy of the unprecedented challenges America faces will lead you to understand that there needs to be a meaningful search for the truth, the facts and a meaningful discussion of what is right (not what is left or right).

If it helps as a reminder, I list the obvious challenges here, and I'm sure there's more if you take some time to think about it instead of all the pedestrian micro analysis and punditry such as is on this blog - the mistaken brutal, bloody and expensive war in Iraq, the mishandled war on terror, the still missing Bin Laden, the weakened economy, plummeting dollar, health care, Social Security, America's reduced standing, lost opportunity and near irreparably damaged reputation in the world, the crying need to be resuming global leadership to solve for eg - the financial crisis [made in America], the environment, poverty, health, etc.. And leadership is not shoot before you look.....

And, I would forcefully add underlying all of this, the challenge is to restore the very clear decline in moral fabric of American society which has been mauled. Just look at the tremendous waste of energy on the Wright episode -- the time that was spent by Hillary on this matter in her Fox interview for example. Surely this is not leadership or addressing issues - its ignoring all these important matters, and wasting precious time and energy on the Wright issue (with a gleeful smile in the interview) and on anything divisive or derogatory to Obama. This is about personal interest and dividing and conquering for your own ends and agenda.

A true leader would politely dismiss the questions about Wright or remark that it was a tragedy that he was so far off of reality on so many points. A leader would then move quickly on to the real topics. Leadership is about debating these issues and leading America through them. It is not about finding ways to use your power and position to arbitrarily willfully and maliciously destroy the character of others in part through the mindless bloggers posting here. While, hypocritically saying somehow that saying ugly things makes you a strong and tough person - a "fighter". And because the other person doesn't spit back in your eye they must somehow be weak.

And please in considering your vote in the Democratic primaries and in the general election look to what is in your own best interest and your families' and especially, your childrens' and their future generations'. If you do that, I think you will understand why you should choose Obama.

I invite Americans to also look at the prospects for America and Americans as a whole nation. It has the potential to be greater than the sum of its parts. Right now, it is notably less and a race won by exploiting divisions, will reduce it further. Just look at the nonesense in the blogs here where everything seems polarized. There is no discussion. It is I'm right and your wrong. No search for the truth, which is easy to see. No balance etc. It is worse on the Clinton side in my view, something reflected in the high rating of those in her camp who say they will toss their vote in the general to McCain. Shame on the exploiters.

I am confident the American era of confusion, hate and fear will come to an end - it might be sooner or later but it will end. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time....

America will get what it deserves out of this election - if its garbage in then its garbage out. America needs more than that, and to truly see the reality of the situation and vote for something different. If it does not, it will get more of the same. For something different, vote Obama. He may be just another poltician. But it is undeniable that he might be something much more and he is leading a movement for change. Why squander the opportunity?

I believe America will have the courage to vote for a new politics, a new discourse and a new future based on truth, justice and the real American dream. And it will again lead the world.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | May 3, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Wow! I thought the article was right on!
You sure have a lot of hateful readers. They just happen to be Obama supporters that are getting nervous, as they should be.

I can't believe that any one would write that you are bias.

Obama is ahead at the moment only because of the media that has promoted him since Iowa. Now that Obama's past is coming to light he has become unelectable in November.
The truth hurts.

Clinton has the experience and the fight to lead this country that the Bush Administration has trashed for the last 7.4 years. She will beat McCain!

GO HILLARY!!!

Madamne President, sounds great, doesn't it ladies!!

Posted by: Judy in Oregon | May 3, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Wow! I thought the article was right on!
You sure have a lot of hateful readers. They just happen to be Obama supporters that are getting nervous, as they should be.

I can't believe that any one would write that you are bias.

Obama is ahead at the moment only because of the media that has promoted him since Iowa. Now that Obama's past is coming to light he has become unelectable in November.
The truth hurts.

Clinton has the experience and the fight to lead this country that the Bush Administration has trashed for the last 7.4 years. She will beat McCain!

GO HILLARY!!!

Madamne President, sounds great, doesn't it ladies!!

Posted by: Judy in Oregon | May 3, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Nonono - wait a minute here. THIS is Hillary in her element:

http://www.theweeklydonut.com/index.php/category/hillary-rodham-clinton/

Posted by: xpurge | May 3, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Nonono - wait a minute here. THIS is Hillary in her element:

http://www.theweeklydonut.com/index.php/category/hillary-rodham-clinton/

Posted by: xpurge | May 3, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

the only thing more frightening to the repulisivescammers than a Hillary NOMINATION...


is a HILLARY CLINTON predidency, because it would be a death knell for corruption and for the OCCUPATION OF IRAQ,


by BIG OIL and WAR PROFITEERS...


bring on the rain, I'll be taking you apart next week punks.


.

how about that welfare for ekim53 and her bushCO and CRONY team mates...


as they obscure the reality of a situation by claiming this is not needed...


how about the $760 MILLION DOLLARS a day of occupation welfare for

war fraud profiteers ????

what does that work out to a month???


how about those WOUNDED VETS, I guess they're really raking in the dough too right...

4 reups, no job when they get back, no families and no VA working for them, if they are disabled somehow they got to get a lawyer and take care of family business...


as bushCO and CRONYs pee in their faces for trying to take care of themselves after having served the country...


ekim53 , VirginConservative , charkodoes69wGeorgie


scum....


masquerading as republicans... company first, they don't even care about their purported party....they're riding it into the ground in the hopes that they can avoid indictment....


ha hah hahhahhahhah......ohmy....

.

Posted by: diseased minds vote for dishonesty.... | May 3, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

the only thing more frightening to the repulisivescammers than a Hillary NOMINATION...


is a HILLARY CLINTON predidency, because it would be a death knell for corruption and for the OCCUPATION OF IRAQ,


by BIG OIL and WAR PROFITEERS...


bring on the rain, I'll be taking you apart next week punks.


.

how about that welfare for ekim53 and her bushCO and CRONY team mates...


as they obscure the reality of a situation by claiming this is not needed...


how about the $760 MILLION DOLLARS a day of occupation welfare for

war fraud profiteers ????

what does that work out to a month???


how about those WOUNDED VETS, I guess they're really raking in the dough too right...

4 reups, no job when they get back, no families and no VA working for them, if they are disabled somehow they got to get a lawyer and take care of family business...


as bushCO and CRONYs pee in their faces for trying to take care of themselves after having served the country...


ekim53 , VirginConservative , charkodoes69wGeorgie


scum....


masquerading as republicans... company first, they don't even care about their purported party....they're riding it into the ground in the hopes that they can avoid indictment....


ha hah hahhahhahhah......ohmy....

.
you want a quick fix ???


that will be painless for you all ???

but will help you determine how patriotic your presidente' by fraud and his people are ????


CONSCRIPT THE CONTRACTORS...


pass a law that will make everyone involved in IRAQ y AFGHANISTAN either military or GS Scale civilians under control of

GAO or the MILITARY at military and GS Scale pay grades...

cut the budget by 1/3 and give the citizens oversight on what is spent...


how much is Blackwater making, and what are their projects ???

you don't know, because it's classfied, and yet you are paying for every penney of it....sshould sound like complete BullSHYYTE to you if you have a brain...


AMERICA IS BEING DRAINED FOR THE BENEFIT OF A FEW....and they ain't all AMERICANS,


marjory....pull your head out of your buts and arrest somepeople...

take action.


.

Posted by: diseased minds vote for dishonesty.... | May 3, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

the only thing more frightening to the repulisivescammers than a Hillary NOMINATION...


is a HILLARY CLINTON predidency, because it would be a death knell for corruption and for the OCCUPATION OF IRAQ,


by BIG OIL and WAR PROFITEERS...


bring on the rain, I'll be taking you apart next week punks.


.

how about that welfare for ekim53 and her bushCO and CRONY team mates...


as they obscure the reality of a situation by claiming this is not needed...


how about the $760 MILLION DOLLARS a day of occupation welfare for

war fraud profiteers ????

what does that work out to a month???


how about those WOUNDED VETS, I guess they're really raking in the dough too right...

4 reups, no job when they get back, no families and no VA working for them, if they are disabled somehow they got to get a lawyer and take care of family business...


as bushCO and CRONYs pee in their faces for trying to take care of themselves after having served the country...


ekim53 , VirginConservative , charkodoes69wGeorgie


scum....


masquerading as republicans... company first, they don't even care about their purported party....they're riding it into the ground in the hopes that they can avoid indictment....


ha hah hahhahhahhah......ohmy....

.

Posted by: diseased minds vote for dishonesty.... | May 3, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

No no no - wait a minute here. THIS is Hillary in her element:

http://www.theweeklydonut.com/index.php/category/hillary-rodham-clinton/

Posted by: xpurge | May 3, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

first of all


there is no "war,"


there is an OCCUPATION,


that is paying Halliburton, KBR, BLACKWATER, Carlyle Group, CACI, CSC, Booze Allen Hamilton, Bechtel, and other

false "war," PROFITEERS


$467 $BILLION$ DOLLARS in allocated monies...


half a TRILLION DOLLARS,


you don't think that is buying some CONGRESS PEOPLE ????


stop the "war" fraud.


plus, I hope you remember Petraeus had 190,000

FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPONS GO MISSING on his watch in IRAQ

and those weapons are turning up in Mexico and Central and South AMERICA...


and IRAQI OIL is turning up in UAE bank accounts affiliated with Halliburton...


go figure....


.

...An individual without principles can make for a very dangerous President.


AFRAID OF ME? or afraid of losing your spot at the feeding trough?

principles ???

one doesn't need principles, one needs to understand engineering.

principles will take care of themeselves.... they come with "good engineering" you don't have to pretend to have them....but since you gomers wouldn't know good engineering if it crawled up your but...let me help you..


how do you build a good building, plan for the future???

INSIDER WASHINGTON is the epitome of unprincipled...

how does a really nice guy come in and take on Washington DC insiders by themselves...

they don't.


JIMMY CARTER, was backstabbed by William Casey, George H.W. Bush and Robert M. Gates...

William Casey, "died of a braintumor," 6 weeks after being asked to testify before Congress about IRAN CONTRA and was buried with a closed casket...and he and his wife moved to Indonesia...

George H.W. Bush went on to become vice president and then president...after commiting treason

Robert M. Gates is Secretary of Defense today...


how do you deal with people like that? you really have to be able to gut them and leave them flopping on the bank for a blue heron to eat...parenthetically speaking...they are trash fish....like squawfish...they eat the salmon fingerlings and there are no "good fish," if there are too many of them...

which is why it would be a good idea for the "democratic candidates," to eliminate them now....

by identifying them...

SEARCH on October surprise, russian, carter, casey, bush, gates


it's all there....Hamilton knows about it, but Hamilton was persuaded by Dick Cheney to be bipartisan and pick up the soap....and cheenie sang sooooooo sweetly in his ear he didn't even realize that he had commited treason.... and still thinks he's a "good guy," though history will treat him poorly.


.check it out.


Posted by: hey litl hosers.... | May 3, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

OMG Todd that Wellesley HRC debutante speech is precious, especially the line

"integrity, trust, and respect. Those three words mean different things to all of us"

Posted by: is is | May 2, 2008 11:58 PM | Report abuse


Comment on: Sounding Bitter at 4/14/2008 3:21 PM EDT
Obama's Time Will Come

Ambassador Andrew Young in an interview with "The Newsmakers Journal."

Courtesy The Newsmakers Journal "I want Obama to be president," said former UN Ambassador Andrew Young, "... in 2016. It's not a matter of being inexperienced. It is a matter of being young."

In an interview with The Newsmakers Journal, Young explains with candor why he believes now is not the time for Obama to serve as president.

"There's a certain level of maturity," Young said. "You have to learn to take a certain amount of sh*t. ... Leadership requires suffering."

Saying, "Barack Obama does not have the support network yet to get to be president," Young added: "To put a brother in there by himself is to set him up for crucifixion. His time will come, and the world will be ready a visionary leadership. Now, somebody's got to clean up the mess."

Then Young offered this story about Bill Clinton: "Bill [Clinton] is every bit as black as Barack. He's probably gone out with more black women than Barack. [laughs] I'm clowning, but when they went to Nelson Mandela's inauguration -- there was a whole plane load of black folks who went down there. After the inauguration, there was a party. [Bill] Clinton was the one who said, "Let's start a Soul Train line!" All these middle class, bourgie folks looked around ... and Bill did the moon walk down the Soul Train line. And Hillary pulled her skirt up above her knees and she got down and went on through, too."


o ba ba man he got his skirt up above his knees too


and nothing underneath it...

.

Posted by: hey little hosers... | May 2, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Nice to see the Labor Party and their failed Leftist philosophy get absolutely trashed in the UK elections. We can only hope that this disgusting blight is never again hoisted upon mankind in the Western Hemisphere. Obama subscribes to this failed ideology. Hillary to a lesser extent. God help us if we succumb to populist urges and go down that long dark path - it would set us back 40 years!!

Posted by: egrib | May 2, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

republicans


will polarize defame and piss on obama and he will become the

flash in the pan he really is.

Republicans want him to run, he's the lone Indian


who will stop the whiteman....uh huh, sure he will...


John Riggins was something that happens once in awhile...


he certainly has more in common with "The Clintons,"


than obama


obama would be the towel boy


Andrew Young said that, Andrew Young knows the difference between hopes and dreams and "what is possible,"


Bill Clinton has demonstrated his strength of character and heart....relentlessly pounded by the Miami Dolphins / Washington INSIDERs

Cheney, Libby, the bush families, Paul Wolfowitz, the Kagans, Rumsfeld

he punched through their line, time after time...

he cut through the line, the hype, the spin , the BS storm...


how did they defeat him finally? they didn't , they couldn't so

they cheated....

they opted for electoral fraud, Diebold, voter culling, Ken Blackwell in Ohio...now working for a NEOCON think tank on K street , they intimidated the vote counters in Dade County FL, put Jeb Bushes girlfriends in charge of verifying the vote count...

talked trash relentlessly

and stained the reputation of a man that would go on to become a Nobel Prize winner...

Al Gore,

and instead of being celebrated as a great AMERICAN


we have to put up with these scheiss talking schiess stormers crap


as_if _that_ were okay,


it's not, in the real world it's called fraud

and CIA agents spinning schiess against the citizens would be called TREASON


because

that is what it is....and the punishment proscribed would death according to judicial studies that I'm familiar with, as and


because that is what it those treasonous acts are causing.


be forewarned, fair trial first, the rest is unscripted.


.your reponsibility is to the people first.


not the president by fraud.


get over itschiess stormers, you deserve jail time.


.

Posted by: little hosers are the bane of AMERICA....Karl Rove aka Wayne Gacy...the killer clowne | May 2, 2008 11:56 PM | Report abuse


want to help AMERICA come out of it's economic slump...


stop the "war" FRAUD machine...

make the US ECONOMY a matter of NATIONAL SECURITY....


put all contractors in IRAQ, AFGHAN_ISTAN, and the US directly affiliated with the "war" FRAUD effect under GAO GSA aegis...


and examine their books.


an OCCUPATION is _ILLEGAL_


however, seperating the EMBEZZLERS aka


bushCO and CRONYs from the MONEY...


makes the United States a lot more legitimate in the eyes of the world...


especially if treasonists, like Robert M. Gates...who used the CIA as a tool to defeat Jimmy Carter in his reelection bid,

or George W. Bush who committed SEC FRAUD with Harken OIL

are arrested and prosecuted for those charges...

you could arrest Cheney for involvement in commiting perjury to Congress regarding WMD et al..it's in John W. Deans' BOOK, "Worse Than Watergate," the exact charges and the way to make them stick...

and put Pelosi as President...


then the IRAQIs might see us as a responsible and capable nation,

rather than as a lawless-regime run by sticks-of-wood, "on the take."


.and we could deal for oil as an option.


.

Posted by: discussions of insight based upon facts not opinions.... | May 2, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

In an effort to deflect public criticism and stop the hemorrhaging, Sen. Obama has concocted a new strategy in dealing with recent comments by Rev. Wright. In a press conference in North Carolina, Obama has denounced the comments as "appalling". However, most pundits believe that there was a secret meeting this past week between Obama and Rev. Wright which allows the illinois senator to publicy denounce his pastor solely for political expediency.
Poll Results: Our nationwide online poll conducted as of 6:00 PM April 29 is showing Clinton leading Obama 57 - 43 %. Results also show that 37% of Clinton supporters have pledged to vote for John McCain if Obama becomes the nominee in contrast to 15% of Obama supporters if Clinton becomes the nominee. The difference will nearly guarantee a McCain victory if Obama becomes the nominee. Survey results were tabulated from more than 148,130 online votes.

In a new poll released by Associated Press, Hillary leads Sen. McCain by 9 points (50-41) while Sens. Obama and McCain are statistically tied (46-44). The poll also shows Hillary faring better than Sen. Obama against McCain among independents (50-39) and has sizeable leads among seniors and Catholic voters. Clinton also pulls 2/3 of voters under 30 versus McCain, which is better than Obama does with that group. See the results.


http://www.obamaunveiled.com

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Todd | May 2, 2008 4:51 PM

The post cited above is worth another read.

Go Hillary.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA HAS NEVER REPRESENTED "CHANGE" IN POLITICS. IF YOU DARE, SEE HOW OBAMA OBTAINED HIS FIRST ELECTIVE OFFICE: Chicago Sun-Times--A close examination of Obama's first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: Obama, who runs on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless, first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it. Alice Palmer, friend and mentor to Obama, served the district in the Illinois Senate for much of the 1990s. Decades earlier, she was a community organizer in the area when Obama was growing up in Hawaii. She risked her safe seat to run for Congress and touted Obama as a suitable successor. But when Palmer lost the congressional race, her supporters asked Obama to fold his campaign so she could easily retain her state Senate seat. Obama not only refused to step aside for the woman who was his friend and had recommended him for the seat, he filed challenges that nullified Palmer's hastily gathered nominating petitions, forcing her to withdraw. Had Palmer survived the petition challenge, Obama would have faced the daunting task of taking on an incumbent senator. "He wondered if we should knock everybody off the ballot. How would that look?" said Ronald Davis, the paid Obama campaign consultant whom Obama referred to as his "guru of petitions." Davis filed objections to all four of Obama's Democratic rivals at the candidate's behest. All other candidates were disposed of by Obama's challenges. He then went on to win the election.

http://tinyurl.com/2zwwte

Posted by: Fred | May 2, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse


there are about

40 PERCENT REPULSIVE SCAMMERS


working their magic aka lying as a position...


HILLARY


keep calling a spade a spade


bama man, let stand the repulsive scammers lies being used against you


he didn't say it wasn't true...

he used it 16 years of hatepoured out against THE CLINTONS


why ?????


THE CLINTONS ARE THE ONLY DEMOCRATS TO HAVE HELD THEIR OWN AGAINST THE REPBULICAN CIA BASED


HATE MACHINE...


now that she is using a little pointed comments of her own


THE REPUBLICANS are asking her to tone it down


for the sake of the party....right...


like they asked Al GORE to not contest the vote count in FLORIDA

they said that he was selfish and dividing the country.


was he?


What would AMERICA be like if Carter had had two terms?


I Al Gore had had two terms?????


ENERGY PROBLEMS????


no, none....


outsourcing would never have happened


and we would be enjoying European style cities instead of crime and depression...


AMERICA would still be the most respected nation on earth


and the TRILLIONS of dollars being poured in to WAR PROFITEERING HOUSEHOLDS and OVERSEAS would be being used to


upgrade AMERICA....vis a vis CREATUBG infrastructure programs...

building modern green , commuting via mass trasit communities...bike trails street cars, safe cities...


.ooo la la


.

Posted by: agressive thought processes.....get some... | May 2, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

barack blows...let it go...


anyone telling you there is a "war," going on


is insulting your intelligence....any one of these posters talking about war or victory is a walking talking scheiss-struum

IRAQ is OCCUPIED BY AN _ILLEGAL_INVASION_FORCE_ stealing natural resources...

that they will sell to the highest bidder...and bushCO and CRONYs will keep the money ...not share it with the UNITED STATES...I guarantee it...


but let's go forward and talk to a crawford salaami sucker as if he were asking a perfectly legitimate question about THE OCCUPATION :


a _G_ (ay) _O_ (ld) _P_ (artay) limp MEMBER, facetiously asked:
How about a solution to the Iraq "war" ?


zee BEEG_ONE REPLIES:

the solution is QUITE simple.

since the ECONOMY IS A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY,

we shut down the war profiteering machines impetus to cloud and disseminate DISinformation...false hoods, lies, monkey schiess as information..

we hand control of BLACKWATER, Carlyle Group, Booze Allen Hamilton, Halliburton, Bechtel, KBR, CACI, Dyncorp, and other AMERICAN war profiteering companies over to the GSA...at least those branches in Afghanistan and IRAQ...

and look at the books of those companies...while we are checking the books...everyone will be working at GS-SCALE.

seperate the embezzlers from the books as a first step.


arrest a few executive branch members and put them on trial as a show to the rest of the world that there had in fact been a

regime change.

lock down the OIL, and start talks with the SHIA majority as well as the SUNNI MINORITY...

Paul Bremer had $12 BILLION DOLLARS in cash delivered to him in IRAQ


to pay out bribes...what did "we the people," get for those bribes? or was it just for the benefit of CHEVRON, EXXON-MOBIL, BP ???? if so, I want that fxxxing money back...you dig ??

BREMER also removed the flow meters from the IRAQI OIL PIPLINES so that oil could be removed without tracking the amount moved....UAE seems to be selling OIL that doesn't test as having come from UAE....what's that about?

We could be buying IRAQI oil from SAUDI, KUWIAT, UAE, EXXON MOBIL

and other companies without Iraqis getting credit for that OIL,


couldn't we.

SO WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO SOLVE THINGS?


1. seperate the crooks from the money as a first step and

2. start prosecution of the corruption.

3. renegotiate with the IRAQI people for OIL if we want it.

4. start focusing on the U.S. of A. ECONOMY as the REAL NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE.


and realize that people like

bushCO und CRONies do


NOT WANT A SOLUTION, THEY WANT TO SELL YOU THAT WHAT IS GOING ON IS A LEGITMATE OPERATION.

it isn't.


Posted by: justice served... | May 2, 2008 11:51 PM | Report abuse

DEBATE! DEBATE!! DEBATE!!!

It's time for everyone to face the truth. Barack Obama has no real chance of winning the national election in November at this time. His crushing defeat in Pennsylvania makes that fact crystal clear. His best, and only real chance of winning in November is on a ticket with Hillary Clinton as her VP.

Hillary Clinton seemed almost somber at her Pennsylvania victory speech. As if part of her was hoping Obama could have proved he had some chance of winning against the republican attack machine, and their unlimited money, and resources.

But it is absolutely essential that the democrats take back the Whitehouse in November. America, and the American people are in a very desperate condition now. And the whole World has been doing all that they can to help keep us propped up.

Hillary Clinton say's that the heat, and decisions in the Whitehouse are much tougher than the ones on the campaign trail. But I think Mr. Obama faces a test of whether he has what it takes to be a commander and chief by facing the difficult facts, and the truth before him. And by doing what is best for the American people by dropping out of the race, and offering his whole hearted assistance to Hillary Clinton to help her take back the Whitehouse for the American people, and the World.

Mr. Obama is a great speaker. And I am confident he can explain to the American people the need, and wisdom of such a personal sacrifice for them. It should be clear to everyone by now that Hillary Clinton is fighting her heart out for the American people. She has known for a long time that Mr. Obama can not win this November. You have to remember that the Clinton's have won the Whitehouse twice before. They know what it takes.

If Mr. Obama fails his test of commander and chief we can only hope that Hillary Clinton can continue her heroic fight for the American people. And that she prevails. She will need all the continual support and help we can give her. She may fight like a superhuman. But she is only human.

Sen. Hillary Clinton: "You know, more people have now voted for me than have voted for my opponent. In fact, I now have more votes than anybody has ever had in a primary contest for a nomination. And it's also clear that we've got nine more important contests to go."

Sincerely

Jacksmith... Working Class :-)

Posted by: jacksmith | May 2, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

.

Hillary Clinton Voted for the Iraq War

U.S. SOLDIER KILLED BECAUSE OF HILLARY'S VOTE

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MORE THAN 4,000 U.S. SOLDIERS DEAD,

DEAD, BECAUSE OF HILLARY'S VOTE


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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

"from the looks of it here, obama is toast"

Hillary's demographics favor the uneducated


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DELEGATE CALCULATOR:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.counter/index.html


Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA REQUESTS $1,000,000 EARMARK FOR HOSPITAL WHERE WIFE MICHELE OBAMA IS ADMINISTRATOR; MICHELE OBAMA'S SALARY IS ALMOST TRIPLED SHORTLY THEREAFTER
http://tinyurl.com/38tz3q

Posted by: Fred | May 2, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

PASS AROUND JOE ANDREWS CONTACT INFORMATION FAR AND WIDE:

thanks, I will


TO THANK HIM !!

for following Hillary's advice, and voting his conscience

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

from the looks of it here, obama is toast

and burnt toast at that!!

Posted by: DYLAN | May 2, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

This is the contact info for the new Judus, Joe Andrew. He just switched his super delegate support from Hillary to Obama stating we need to end the primaries and rally around Obama. We are flooding him with angry emails today.

PASS AROUND JOE ANDREWS CONTACT INFORMATION FAR AND WIDE:

Phone: 202-408-5210

Email: jandrew@sonnenschein.com or joeandrews2008@gmail.com

Posted by: Hanna | May 2, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary voted for a war to fight the terrorists"


by neocons for Hillary

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:43 PM | Report abuse

This is the contact info for the new Judus, Joe Andrew. He just switched his super delegate support from Hillary to Obama stating we need to end the primaries and rally around Obama. We are flooding him with angry emails today.

PASS AROUND JOE ANDREWS CONTACT INFORMATION FAR AND WIDE:

Phone: 202-408-5210

Email: jandrew@sonnenschein.com or joeandrews2008@gmail.com

Posted by: Tim | May 2, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Hillary voted for a war to fight the terrorists,
so did Kennedy
so did Kerry

Obama did not since he was not in the Senate!

You Obama fools do not fool us!

ok, Cool-Aid time!

Posted by: Tim | May 2, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

".......He just switched his super delegate support from Hillary to Obama stating we need to end the primaries and rally around Obama......."

Wait a minute!

Didn't Hillary say that delegates were supposed to be able to switch?

Wasn't it Hillary that said the delegates shouldn't feel compelled to follow the delegate vote, but rather their conscience?

she did!

...and I knew her supporters would whine when they followed her advice and voted

FOR OBAMA!

HA!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Krishna | May 2, 2008 11:21 PM

The post cited above is wright on.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

NEOCONS IN DRAG FOR HILLARY


I am a white woman...blah, blah, blah
I hate Obama because...blah, blah, blah

I want war

but you and your children will die in it, 'cause I have better things to do....

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Obama adviser calls Indiana "sh*t"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY

Wow!

Posted by: Genna | May 2, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse


Todd,

At least your encyclopedia revealed that even her mother didn't like her.

Posted by: wardropper | May 2, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Obama has already won.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

I look forward to Obama expending the same energy and commitment campaigning for Hillary in the fall.

Posted by: chili40 | May 2, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

The endorsement that Andrew made yesterday that is being decried as meaningless by the Hillary camp, is a further support to my thinking. In itself, it is but a small step, but it supports a pattern that is unmistakable.

I believe Obama is not a typical politician - he is potentially much more and he was born to lead America at this time. The important question is - will America take up this generous and much needed opportunity?

Hillary can't win on the issues, she can't win on the numbers. She might win if she can leverage the party establishment sufficiently to over throw Obama's democratic winnings. While, as many have mentioned in other posts here, Obama has not exploited them, Hillary has many more skeletons -- and they are not even in the closet. I comment more on this in an earlier comment today.

The argument that her baggage has been picked over will mean nothing to the Republicans in the election. They will use everything that is there and stuff that we still don't even know about -- I'm sure there's more to come or perhaps to be invented in a way patented by Rove/Bush and currently licensed to Hillary.

Most important, Hillary is in my view fundamentally not a strong leader and most vulnerable on the issues to losing to McCain. Clearly, she does not possess experience competitive with him in the areas where she claims an advantage - ready on day one, security and war. Just where does she have any background that supports this - her say so and that of all the generals who have been told to back her? This does not give her the experience to go head to head on these issues with McCain. Indeed, she is untested except for the Bosnia sniper fire I suppose. And, her husband's experience does not count for her. And his daliances hurt.

Hillary's way to the nomination even with leverage on the party establishment is predicated on character assassination and racism. Obama's character is good and she can't dredge up any real issues- no Wright and Rezko and a slip of the tongue about guns and religion that is based in truth are not real character issues.

So she has initiated the chatter about guilt by association and she is trying to find as many such things and thread them together and say it makes a pattern. Now this gives license to the fools, the bigots and those afraid of change not to mention to bloggers that can hide behind anonymity in the virtual world. Also, to those that are figuratively blind supporters of her and the Republicans who now parrot obtuse connections to unsavory people or events and look to get it said that Obama and his wife are unpatriotic.

The best way for the Democrats to win in November is to harness the movement for change in politics and in Washington that Obama is leading. And not just to win, but because more importantly, it is critical to America's future. Many now can see that this is a movement by the grass roots, not just a some well spoken words from Obama as some would have you believe. If Clinton got on the bus instead of throwing herself in front of it, all the more powerful. If she stopped crying "Obama is bad, the sky is falling, and I'm much better than what I say he is" and get on the bus, well, all the more powerful too.

I think now that Wright has spoken out so fully that the world can clearly see he has his own issues, this will now fall away. It is clear now that Obama is not Wright and that Wright is not Obama. These are two different people who are clearly of opposing views on the issues. To now even suggest that Obama also holds Wright's instead of the right views is like suggesting he believes in aliens. This is now clear to reasonable thinking people, which I believe the majority of Americans are. And these people know it is time and I think actually have already moved on -- it is way overdue. This is not expedient for Obama -- it is imperative for America so she can get on with the challenge of restoring herself.

I ask Americans to step back from the fantic blogging and the fueling of divisive issues that are being stoked. Particularly those that call themselves leaders in the media and in the political sphere. I think if you do that the reality of the situation and the immediacy of the unprecedented challenges America faces will lead you to understand that there needs to be a meaningful search for the truth, the facts and a meaningful discussion of what is right (not what is left or right).

If it helps as a reminder, I list the obvious challenges here, and I'm sure there's more if you take some time to think about it instead of all the pedestrian micro analysis and punditry such as is on this blog - the mistaken brutal, bloody and expensive war in Iraq, the mishandled war on terror, the still missing Bin Laden, the weakened economy, plummeting dollar, health care, Social Security, America's reduced standing, lost opportunity and near irreparably damaged reputation in the world, the crying need to be resuming global leadership to solve for eg - the financial crisis [made in America], the environment, poverty, health, etc.. And leadership is not shoot before you look.....

And, I would forcefully add underlying all of this, the challenge is to restore the very clear decline in moral fabric of American society which has been mauled. Just look at the tremendous waste of energy on the Wright episode -- the time that was spent by Hillary on this matter in her Fox interview for example. Surely this is not leadership or addressing issues - its ignoring all these important matters, and wasting precious time and energy on the Wright issue (with a gleeful smile in the interview) and on anything divisive or derogatory to Obama. This is about personal interest and dividing and conquering for your own ends and agenda.

A true leader would politely dismiss the questions about Wright or remark that it was a tragedy that he was so far off of reality on so many points. A leader would then move quickly on to the real topics. Leadership is about debating these issues and leading America through them. It is not about finding ways to use your power and position to arbitrarily willfully and maliciously destroy the character of others in part through the mindless bloggers posting here. While, hypocritically saying somehow that saying ugly things makes you a strong and tough person - a "fighter". And because the other person doesn't spit back in your eye they must somehow be weak.

And please in considering your vote in the Democratic primaries and in the general election look to what is in your own best interest and your families' and especially, your childrens' and their future generations'. If you do that, I think you will understand why you should choose Obama.

I invite Americans to also look at the prospects for America and Americans as a whole nation. It has the potential to be greater than the sum of its parts. Right now, it is notably less and a race won by exploiting divisions, will reduce it further. Just look at the nonesense in the blogs here where everything seems polarized. There is no discussion. It is I'm right and your wrong. No search for the truth, which is easy to see. No balance etc. It is worse on the Clinton side in my view, something reflected in the high rating of those in her camp who say they will toss their vote in the general to McCain. Shame on the exploiters.

I am confident the American era of confusion, hate and fear will come to an end - it might be sooner or later but it will end. You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time....

America will get what it deserves out of this election - if its garbage in then its garbage out. America needs more than that, and to truly see the reality of the situation and vote for something different. If it does not, it will get more of the same. For something different, vote Obama. He may be just another poltician. But it is undeniable that he might be something much more and he is leading a movement for change. Why squander the opportunity?

I believe America will have the courage to vote for a new politics, a new discourse and a new future based on truth, justice and the real American dream. And it will again lead the world.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | May 2, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

This is the contact info for the new Judus, Joe Andrew. He just switched his super delegate support from Hillary to Obama stating we need to end the primaries and rally around Obama. We are flooding him with angry emails today.

PASS AROUND JOE ANDREWS CONTACT INFORMATION FAR AND WIDE:

Phone: 202-408-5210

Email: jandrew@sonnenschein.com or joeandrews2008@gmail.com

Posted by: Jenna | May 2, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA HAS ALREADY WON !

It doesn't matter about Indiana and North Carolina. It doesn't matter about all the nerdy neocons making their racist comments... Let them whine! Better, let them enlist! (fat chance!)

Obama has already won.

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DELEGATE CALCULATOR:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.counter/index.html

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

*************************************

News Flash: The convicted Pentagon terrorist, Willam C. Ayers today endorses Obama for President.


http://www.obamaunveiled.com

Posted by: Tim | May 2, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse


No, Dan.

Clinton in YOUR element.

Posted by: wardropper | May 2, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

NO ONE READS LONG POSTINGS!

Posted by: bob North Smithfield | May 2, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA HAS ALREADY WON !

It doesn't matter about Indiana and North Carolina. Obama has already won.

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DELEGATE CALCULATOR:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.counter/index.html

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

"A VERY GOOD ARTICLE FROM THE PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER ABOUT OBAMA PLAYING THE RACE CARD:":

And Bill was a Victum to Monica's and all the others....

They attacked Monica... that's where Rove learned.. attack the other for your own weakness.

Shamful racists.. they have cast their dye with history and it is not a pretty picute. More like Georeg Wallace and Huey Long thqan Kennedy or Rossevelt.

THEY SUCK.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

"...A VERY GOOD ARTICLE FROM THE PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER ABOUT OBAMA PLAYING THE RACE CARD:.."


have you noticed that you're the only one bringing up race.....over and over again

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama is damaged goods. But Rev. Wright is not to blame for the predicament Obama has put himself in, by

a) not distancing himself from the pastor soon enough,
b) downplaying the import of the pastor's remarks initially,
c) blaming everybody else for his own problems,
d) finally divorcing his uncle only when the heat got to him personally.

If Obama has the judgment he advertises,

a) he would have gotten himself out of the church if he disagreed with the pastor, or
b) he should have not decided to be a candidate for the president, if he agreed with the pastor.

Not having the necessary judgment, he finds himself in a hole, that is getting dug deeper. Wrightly so.

Meanwhile, he has put the democratic party in trouble. Serious trouble. This contest should have been, would have been, a cakewalk for the democrats, had Obama not inserted himself into the race. By a set of serendipitous circumstances, he has a lead on the pledged delegates, and has successfully blackmailed the party into the notion that the super delegates cannoy vote as they chose, but have to rubber stamp his lead.

Either he gets the nomination, and gets bombarded with any number of 527-group ads linking him to Rev.Wright, and loses the general election, or Hillary Clinton gets the nomination, a majority of black people feel robbed of their "due", and either sit out or vote for McCain, and Hillary loses the election. He has made sure of this outcome.

I am angry at Obama like I have never been angry at another person. He has put himself above party and the country.

Obama is Wright. He doesn't deserve to be the president.

Posted by: Krishna | May 2, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

To those who spin the Hillary and Bill only remaining rationale for their racist McCarthite campaign -- that they are more electable than Obama ... the only remaining rationale because very few really can stand them.

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE CIGAR, BLUE STAINED DRESS, ALL THE DIRTY KICKBACKS, $105 MILLION IN FUTURES in THEIR THIRD TERM, PARDONS, CATTLE FUTURES, ALLEGATIONS OF RAPE.

Don't you think just maybe Bill has a few more naughty sex and kickback things yet to cum out?? RNC and Rush are horny buggers just waiting for the trap to shut -
Endless ads showing a slow motion montage -- the corrupt Hill and Bill, Whitewater, Monica, the Futures investment, destroyed documents, allegations of rape and cover-up, Jennifer Flowers, stained Blue Dress, Impeachment, Corruption, Mark Rich calling 3 am offering a bribe, Hill/Bill agreeing to grant a pardon, tax returns, the library donors. The horrible sexual abuse and cover up of a young intern named Monica..., and then trying to destroy her. 35 years of experience ant corruption, arrogance and ammassing a fortune through indirect kickbacks.

Posted by: edwina | May 2, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

"......and let moderates like Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman start a new party......."


THE ABOVE STATEMENT SAYS IT ALL ABOUT WHO SUPPORTS HILLARY

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Posted by: NEOCONS 4 HILLARY ! | May 2, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's gas-tax suspension idea is pandering at its absolute worst. She seems to think people are just too damned stupid to see how bad an idea it is. She is the wily salesman who thinks you will jump for a fool's bargain: She wins a primary, and you get higher gas prices and crumbling roads. She can't be trusted.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

A VERY GOOD ARTICLE FROM THE PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER ABOUT OBAMA PLAYING THE RACE CARD:
http://tinyurl.com/3cxskw

Posted by: Fred | May 2, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse


HERE OBAMABOTS - LEARN A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON

SHE GAVE THIS SPEECH WHEN SHE WAS 22 YEARS OLD

DIG IT. THE WOMAN IS PHENOMINALLY BRILLIANT AND AHEAD OF HER TIME

Wellesley College
1969 Student Commencement Speech
Hillary D. Rodham
May 31, 1969

Ruth M. Adams, ninth president of Wellesley College, introduced Hillary D. Rodham, '69, at the 91st commencement exercises, as follows:

In addition to inviting Senator Brooke to speak to them this morning, the Class of '69 has expressed a desire to speak to them and for them at this morning's commencement. There was no debate so far as I could ascertain as to who their spokesman was to be -- Miss Hillary Rodham. Member of this graduating class, she is a major in political science and a candidate for the degree with honors. In four years she has combined academic ability with active service to the College, her junior year having served as a Vil Junior, and then as a member of Senate and during the past year as President of College Government and presiding officer of College Senate. She is also cheerful, good humored, good company, and a good friend to all of us and it is a great pleasure to present to this audience Miss Hillary Rodham.

Remarks of Hillary D. Rodham, President of the Wellesley College Government Association and member of the Class of 1969, on the occasion of Wellesley's 91st Commencement, May 31, 1969:

I am very glad that Miss Adams made it clear that what I am speaking for today is all of us -- the 400 of us -- and I find myself in a familiar position, that of reacting, something that our generation has been doing for quite a while now. We're not in the positions yet of leadership and power, but we do have that indispensable task of criticizing and constructive protest and I find myself reacting just briefly to some of the things that Senator Brooke said. This has to be brief because I do have a little speech to give. Part of the problem with empathy with professed goals is that empathy doesn't do us anything. We've had lots of empathy; we've had lots of sympathy, but we feel that for too long our leaders have used politics as the art of making what appears to be impossible, possible. What does it mean to hear that 13.3% of the people in this country are below the poverty line? That's a percentage. We're not interested in social reconstruction; it's human reconstruction. How can we talk about percentages and trends? The complexities are not lost in our analyses, but perhaps they're just put into what we consider a more human and eventually a more progressive perspective. The question about possible and impossible was one that we brought with us to Wellesley four years ago. We arrived not yet knowing what was not possible. Consequently, we expected a lot. Our attitudes are easily understood having grown up, having come to consciousness in the first five years of this decade -- years dominated by men with dreams, men in the civil rights movement, the Peace Corps, the space program -- so we arrived at Wellesley and we found, as all of us have found, that there was a gap between expectation and realities. But it wasn't a discouraging gap and it didn't turn us into cynical, bitter old women at the age of 18. It just inspired us to do something about that gap. What we did is often difficult for some people to understand. They ask us quite often: "Why, if you're dissatisfied, do you stay in a place?" Well, if you didn't care a lot about it you wouldn't stay. It's almost as though my mother used to say, "I'll always love you but there are times when I certainly won't like you." Our love for this place, this particular place, Wellesley College, coupled with our freedom from the burden of an inauthentic reality allowed us to question basic assumptions underlying our education. Before the days of the media orchestrated demonstrations, we had our own gathering over in Founder's parking lot. We protested against the rigid academic distribution requirement. We worked for a pass-fail system. We worked for a say in some of the process of academic decision making. And luckily we were in a place where, when we questioned the meaning of a liberal arts education there were people with enough imagination to respond to that questioning. So we have made progress. We have achieved some of the things that initially saw as lacking in that gap between expectation and reality. Our concerns were not, of course, solely academic as all of us know. We worried about inside Wellesley questions of admissions, the kind of people that should be coming to Wellesley, the process for getting them here. We questioned about what responsibility we should have both for our lives as individuals and for our lives as members of a collective group.

Coupled with our concerns for the Wellesley inside here in the community were our concerns for what happened beyond Hathaway House. We wanted to know what relationship Wellesley was going to have to the outer world. We were lucky in that one of the first things Miss Adams did was to set up a cross-registration with MIT because everyone knows that education just can't have any parochial bounds any more. One of the other things that we did was the Upward Bound program. There are so many other things that we could talk about; so many attempts, at least the way we saw it, to pull ourselves into the world outside. And I think we've succeeded. There will be an Upward Bound program, just for one example, on the campus this summer.

Many of the issues that I've mentioned -- those of sharing power and responsibility, those of assuming power and responsibility have been general concerns on campuses throughout the world. But underlying those concerns there is a theme, a theme which is so trite and so old because the words are so familiar. It talks about integrity and trust and respect. Words have a funny way of trapping our minds on the way to our tongues but there are necessary means even in this multi-media age for attempting to come to grasps with some of the inarticulate maybe even inarticulable things that we're feeling. We are, all of us, exploring a world that none of us even understands and attempting to create within that uncertainty. But there are some things we feel, feelings that our prevailing, acquisitive, and competitive corporate life, including tragically the universities, is not the way of life for us. We're searching for more immediate, ecstatic and penetrating mode of living. And so our questions, our questions about our institutions, about our colleges, about our churches, about our government continue. The questions about those institutions are familiar to all of us. We have seen heralded across the newspapers. Senator Brooke has suggested some of them this morning. But along with using these words -- integrity, trust, and respect -- in regard to institutions and leaders we're perhaps harshest with them in regard to ourselves.

Every protest, every dissent, whether it's an individual academic paper, Founder's parking lot demonstration, is unabashedly an attempt to forge an identity in this particular age. That attempt at forging for many of us over the past four years has meant coming to terms with our humanness. Within the context of a society that we perceive -- now we can talk about reality, and I would like to talk about reality sometime, authentic reality, inauthentic reality, and what we have to accept of what we see -- but our perception of it is that it hovers often between the possibility of disaster and the potentiality for imaginatively responding to men's needs. There's a very strange conservative strain that goes through a lot of New Left, collegiate protests that I find very intriguing because it harkens back to a lot of the old virtues, to the fulfillment of original ideas. And it's also a very unique American experience. It's such a great adventure. If the experiment in human living doesn't work in this country, in this age, it's not going to work anywhere.

But we also know that to be educated, the goal of it must be human liberation. A liberation enabling each of us to fulfill our capacity so as to be free to create within and around ourselves. To be educated to freedom must be evidenced in action, and here again is where we ask ourselves, as we have asked our parents and our teachers, questions about integrity, trust, and respect. Those three words mean different things to all of us. Some of the things they can mean, for instance: Integrity, the courage to be whole, to try to mold an entire person in this particular context, living in relation to one another in the full poetry of existence. If the only tool we have ultimately to use is our lives, so we use it in the way we can by choosing a way to live that will demonstrate the way we feel and the way we know. Integrity -- a man like Paul Santmire. Trust. This is one word that when I asked the class at our rehearsal what it was they wanted me to say for them, everyone came up to me and said "Talk about trust, talk about the lack of trust both for us and the way we feel about others. Talk about the trust bust." What can you say about it? What can you say about a feeling that permeates a generation and that perhaps is not even understood by those who are distrusted? All they can do is keep trying again and again and again. There's that wonderful line in East Coker by Eliot about there's only the trying, again and again and again; to win again what we've lost before.

And then respect. There's that mutuality of respect between people where you don't see people as percentage points. Where you don't manipulate people. Where you're not interested in social engineering for people. The struggle for an integrated life existing in an atmosphere of communal trust and respect is one with desperately important political and social consequences. And the word "consequences" of course catapults us into the future. One of the most tragic things that happened yesterday, a beautiful day, was that I was talking to woman who said that she wouldn't want to be me for anything in the world. She wouldn't want to live today and look ahead to what it is she sees because she's afraid. Fear is always with us but we just don't have time for it. Not now.

There are two people that I would like to thank before concluding. That's Ellie Acheson, who is the spearhead for this, and also Nancy Scheibner who wrote this poem which is the last thing that I would like to read:

My entrance into the world of so-called "social problems"
Must be with quiet laughter, or not at all.
The hollow men of anger and bitterness
The bountiful ladies of righteous degradation
All must be left to a bygone age.
And the purpose of history is to provide a receptacle
For all those myths and oddments
Which oddly we have acquired
And from which we would become unburdened
To create a newer world
To transform the future into the present.
We have no need of false revolutions
In a world where categories tend to tyrannize our minds
And hang our wills up on narrow pegs.
It is well at every given moment to seek the limits in our lives.
And once those limits are understood
To understand that limitations no longer exist.
Earth could be fair. And you and I must be free
Not to save the world in a glorious crusade
Not to kill ourselves with a nameless gnawing pain
But to practice with all the skill of our being
The art of making possible.

Posted by: Todd | May 2, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:17 PM | Report abuse

yellow dog you are clearly delusional

Posted by: kempy76 | May 2, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Obama has survived bitterness, elitism, gun-clinging, bible-clinging, bad bowling, and Rev Wright. He is now emerging as an even stronger candidate.

Posted by: Bob, DC | May 2, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

"...Sen Clinton...the REAL candidate, the candidate who will FIGHT..."


FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT!

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

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OFFICAIL TEARFULLY ADMITS HE SNIFFED FEMALE LAWMAKER'S CHAIRSEAT


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/30/official-tearfully-admits_n_99509.html


(just in case you need a break)

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

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NEOCONS 4 HILLARY

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YESTERDAY'S SCRIPT:
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Incite racial hatred against Muslims!

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TODAY'S SCRIPT:
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Incite racial hatred against Black Americans!

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TOMORROW'S SCRIPT.

(to be announced on Fox News)

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Obama wants to focus on anything but his own character and judgment. He cannot erase a 20-year relationship with a racist and anti-American pastor who he considered to be his "mentor and spiritual adviser," by merely making a public denunciation required by his falling poll numbers. This transparent gesture won't fool anyone but his most ardent supporters. The press has really let us down regarding Obama by not vetting him sooner. Perhaps they will make up for it by investigating the nature of Obama's religion; black liberation theology. Why? Because anyone who would subscribe to such a racist theology for 20 years, is not fit to be President of the United States. Rev. Wright cites James Cone as his theological mentor regarding the theology Obama has been soaking up for the last 20 years. Here, in his own words, is James Cone's description of Obama's so-called religion:

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."

Posted by: Fred | May 2, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

"Where is Shakespeare when you really need him?..."


TRY READING UP ON:


LADY MACBETH

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Sen Clinton...the REAL candidate, the candidate who will FIGHT, the candidate who doesn't pretend to be anything other than who she is, the candidate with SPECIFIC PLANS for what needs to be done to reclaim our country.

Don't let these posts from Obama supporters fool you. The blogosphere is dominated by the young, the wealthy, and the highly educated...those with the resources to be here. Sen Clinton's supporters can only be heard w/ their votes. We will speak loud and clear in the remaining primaries...WE WANT A CANDIDATE WHO WILL FIGHT LIKE HELL IN NOVEMBER AND WIN!!!

Posted by: Yellow Dog | May 2, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Ah, yes, Betsy Reed -- the far-left liberal editor of "The Nation," trying to smear the Clintons. I see she's fallen for the Obama campaign's carefully orchestrated strategy of making it look like the Clintons are playing the race card, when it is really Obama's surrogates who are doing so.

Take Hillary Clinton's "as far as I know" comment. Any idiot who watched the entire interview segment can see that that the far-left ObamaWhiners are taking it totally out of context. Hillary stresses adamantly that she finds the charges Obama is a Muslim to be ridiculous: "No, no. There's nothing to base that on, as far as I know."

What else could she accurately say? Can she say, "I know for a fact Barack is not Muslim." No... she doesn't know him that well. She says she takes him at his word and has no reason to believe that. What else is required of her to say?

But that's not enough for the ObamaWhiners. They expect Hillary to baby Obama, to do his work for him. If he's asked a tough question, the interviewer is out of line. If he replies with his overused stock line, "That's a distraction," he is applauded. And any implication that he's not the most competent candidate, well, the person who says that is a racist.

The real problem so many on the left have with Hillary Clinton is that she simply isn't liberal enough.

That's why I hope the most dire predictions of party leaders come true: that this will split the Democratic party down the middle. It's long overdue.

Let the elitist, tree-hugging, latte-sipping, peace-at-any cost liberals be Democrats, and let moderates like Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman start a new party.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

I look forward to Hillary expending the same energy and commitment campaigning for Obama in the fall.

Posted by: Nick | May 2, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

All this started with Arkansas Bill, in shock that a relatively unknown upstart won in S. C. against his machine. What he basically did with his Jesse Jackson remark was paraphrase what he dare not openly articulate. "Y'all DO realize he's a N....r don't ya? and ever since they've had the hoods on, with a zionist compliant media.

Posted by: I May Know | May 2, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

"I would have more confidence in Hillary Clinton's qualifications if her constituency, her base, had fewer high-school dropouts in it.
If they are the ones enthusiastically backing Hillary, I'm going to think twice before I vote for her too. You're known by the company you keep."


Your right, & wrong. People with little education can be as, or more smart than those with degrees........

No, it's all the pro-war neocons that are backing Hillary which should give you real pause

like: serious pause!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Where is Shakespeare when you really need him?
The first act of the tragedy of Obama-the non-reverend Wright-is a minor event compared to the public reaction that will occur when Obama's connections to William Wyler become known by the mass of the public. Wyler is a terrorist. He conspired to blow up buildings in America-banks, police stations,etc. To this day he is unrepentant and has stated that he wishes that he could have done more.
Wyler held fund raisers at his house for Obama in his senatorial campaign-attended by Obama. He has been a supporter and a fund raiser for Obama. As an intelligent man, Obama knew who and what both Wright and Wyler were but sought their assistance anyway. What in the world does this say about Obama? At the very least it shows a startling lack of judgement.

Posted by: BruceMcDougall | May 2, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

"I agree with the person indicating that HRC should run as an independent.."

won't happen

there are too many states that require early registration........she's too late to qualify

plus, both she and her husband are too involved with the Democratic party to do a "slash and burn"

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I would have more confidence in Hillary Clinton's qualifications if her constituency, her base, had fewer high-school dropouts in it.
If they are the ones enthusiastically backing Hillary, I'm going to think twice before I vote for her too. You're known by the company you keep.

Posted by: FilmMD | May 2, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I see a lot of noise on this blog. And a lot of foolish wastefulness.
America in crisis and what do we get? Classic Bush Rovian politics - say that the other guy is what you are and make him out to be bad.

This approach was patented by the Republicans under them and it has been licensed to Hillary. The corrollary is that if that does not work, you try to destroy your opponent personally on the "character" issue.

Many here are parroting Hillary's slime. I think all who are would do well to go look in the mirror when you accuse Obama of all these extreme things. Because, the person you see in the mirror is really the one you are talking about. Don't get confused.

Hillary, has worked hard alright - through Bill and other surrogates including the likes of yourselves to open the door for this type of derogatory and racist commentary. But it had to be done with the Bush Rovian license because otherwise it is unacceptable. Well guess what, it is also unacceptable the way you present it, not to mention of course, untrue.

Where are the monitors on these blogs - getting their talking points from Hillary for you to parrot? This will not help her or McCain win the nomination. For McCain, just wait until more attention turns to him to see how he fares.

The strongest and best candidate is Obama for anyone that looks at this in an unbiased way - and through the lense of what is best for America now.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | May 2, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

And all that the female itch and the media wants to do, is keep Obama away from the problems and issues and promote hatred This race card is nothing more then the fear tactics and it works well on the white - blue collar and older people and woman, -

I guess Hillary would say its despicable and offends me!
that our forefathers rebelled and said and did thing when this country belonged to Great Briton !

God forbid she would win the election - she will destroy civilization as we know it. Can you in you like imagine
She would obliterate millions of Iranian people, and probably start WW3. The Russian will come to their aid.
And forget about ever using you car ever again ( No gasoline!!) we would all be riding bicycles and electric mobiles .

We lost a lot of Americans especially this month in Iraq,
Bush and McCain are taking us into a war with Iran.
Our prices of food and cost of living is going out of sight,
Cannot buy gasoline,
Cannot pay for health care,
We are losing hundredths of thousands of dollars by the devaluation of our homes.
Our kids can go to college,

Posted by: OK4U | May 2, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

"Obama has own nothing. He may be nominated..."

CORRECTION

he will be nominated

.........so, get used to it.....it's already happened...he's won

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the person indicating that HRC should run as an independent (my addition) after the DNC, when the DP and its leaders will officially declared Obama the winner. [This will happen even if HRC perfoms better than OBama in the remaining primaries because the decision to favor Obama has already being made and only a major scandal will change this outcome.] But by the the time of the DNC HRC can break away from the Party and go independent; must of her followers, including myself, will follow her. She is the best qualified of the candidates.


Posted by: scvargas | May 2, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

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All you need to do is wire us $2000 and we will open the account.

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Posted by: Princess Chelseana | May 2, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Obama has own nothing. He may be nominated but will wouldn't be able to deliver come November. Therefore, what does matter if he is nominated? N O T H I N G>>>>>>>>

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

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OFFICAIL TEARFULLY ADMITS HE SNIFFED FEMALE LAWMAKER'S CHAIRSEAT


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/30/official-tearfully-admits_n_99509.html


(just in case you need a break)

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Obama has won already. Hillary is just "ego-tripping" like Wright.

Posted by: tom | May 2, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AverageJane:
Obama was in North Carolina tonight at a Democratic dinner with Clinton. I would say he was in his element...He just set North Carolina on fire! And Hillary nor the Republicans have the water to put it out.
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Yes, I just heard it was one of his best speeches ever. He focused alot on patriotism and blew them away. Obama has his mojo back big time!

Posted by: Bob, DC | May 2, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

well, then get used to it, because he won

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

On the question of baggage mentioned by some bloggers. Imagine what the election would look like if Hillary was running against McCain. I have said many times, Hillary keeps saying that she is proud that all of her baggage has been picked through and she is fully "vetted". That is a naive statement.

Whatever degree of falseness there is in this video aired today. It has more than a grain of truth. That is more than the one grain that is needed by the Republicans for a Swift Boat attack. And, this particular point is not even on anyone's radar today.

She will get tanked by the baggage she has or if not the baggage she has that we know about, then baggage still in the closet. Or, manufactured baggage constructed by the Republicans such as Hillary has constructed in the Wright fiasco and the flagpin question etc.

I am starting to see why it is important for Hillary to stay on the attack - lest someone start to look at her baggage. Need to keep the discussion on the other guy's bad not your own. Even if you have to fake the other guy's.

People need to remember she is someone who will lie in public no less and continuously such as she clearly did about Bosnia. Imagine what she is like when she thinks people are not looking or not in the room. As an aside here, I think there is no excuse for her lame answer to the lame question posed by George S. - "I remembered it differently during the campaing than I wrote in my book - its embarrassing but I did get it right in my book - have a look at that."

As if she could still not remember what happened! And in a way she really did not confirm she lied or what the real truth was. What would your mother say to you if you said that? Hillary seems to think you and I are so dumb (and she so smart) that we won't catch on to her. Someone who thinks like that obviously has more baggage that she is not telling us about.

And, in the pre internet and tabloid press era, in which many stupid foibles of the Clintons surely occurred, things were not looked at and grasped by the media the way they are today. Imagine the impact of a photo or video clip or sound bite with Bill and one of his liasons. Replaying Monika or better getting her to make statements during the election. Believe me it could well happen. Or more of the ilk of what came out today. The press will feed on this the entire election season. And marvel at how its surfacing is deserved because it was how she beat Obama.

Voting for Clinton, because she says she is "vetted" is risky - a bit like unprotected sex. The baggage she has can go viral - you don't want that. What is more, there are two people that can be attacked - Bill and Hillary who have boat loads of baggage. You can reasonably distance yourself from your pastor, but Hillary knows what Bill is and had the chance to make the break when Bill took advantage of Monika, yet Hillary did not. It is not possible for her to distance herself from her spouse.

If Hillary is the candidate, it is open Clinton season during the short weeks of the Presidential campaign. The time will be filled with the kind of thing we are seeing today - a blast from the past. Even the stuff that we have seen but put out again as a reminder. There is no law that says aired baggage can't be rehashed and reaired. Many voters will be intrigued because some of this goes back to earlier generations and many may not have known or seen some of this stuff that are voting today.

In contrast, it has been months in the Democratic campaign and there is precious little Hillary and McCain could dredge up on the Obama's. What is there, has largely been manufactured. And I think since the election runs right after this nominee race, it will seem old to the electorate.

Obama, with his powerful movement for change and with virtually no baggage from the past, is the winning choice. I think that he is ahead and will win the nomination because of this.

And I think he will go on to win the Presidency because of his stronger character, moral compass, focus on the challenging issues of America and particularly his audacity to tackle the status quo out of existence in favour of a rebirth of truth, justice and the real American dream for all.

Some people may say that is pie in the sky - well so was JFK's putting a man on the moon and equal rights amendment. Let's not be too wise and old about this - we don't want to miss the possibility he will be of this stature. Maybe he is just another politician, but then again maybe not. We know the others are surely just another politician. That's not good enough today.

Posted by: Paul Stewart | May 2, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

If Clinton gives up before Obama has earned it, it would be a betrayal of the democratic party. Obama has faltered time and again. The Republicans will start unloading the swift boat attacks on him as soon as Hillary drops. The relentless campaign by Hillary tells us one thing: You have to earn the presidency, not be handed over in a platter. Obama should learn from Hillary, not fault her. She has helped him mature in debates, shielded the democrats from Republican attack dogs, and kept the women voters with the democrats. If Obama wins the nomination, he can have a battle-tested Hillary as his running mate and vice versa. Whether he likes it or not, the democratic party needs unity by having Hillary in the team on the top or the bottom of the ticket, if she accepts it. Otherwise get ready for McCain rule for four years.

Posted by: Nathan | May 2, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

OBAMBA IS BUMED...HE IS COOKED. OBAMBA MEANS REPUBLICANS IN THE WHITE HOUSE AGAIN...WE ALL KNOW IT.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Hillary's base:

The uneducated, beer-drinking, gun-toting, bible-clinging, bowling-balling racist rednecks.

Posted by: Bob, DC | May 2, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

"It is BITTER old women who want a female....ANY female elected before they croak."

I like this slogan. Obama should use it in this next ad. At least it would show he has a light side and a sense of humor.

Posted by: gangus | May 2, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama wants to focus on anything but his own character and judgment. He cannot erase a 20-year relationship with a racist and anti-American pastor who he considered to be his "mentor and spiritual adviser," by merely making a public denunciation required by his falling poll numbers. This transparent gesture won't fool anyone but his most ardent supporters. The press has really let us down regarding Obama by not vetting him sooner. Perhaps they will make up for it by investigating the nature of Obama's religion; black liberation theology. Why? Because anyone who would subscribe to such a racist theology for 20 years, is not fit to be President of the United States. Rev. Wright cites James Cone as his theological mentor regarding the theology Obama has been soaking up for the last 20 years. Here, in his own words, is James Cone's description of Obama's so-called religion:

"Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."

Posted by: Fred | May 2, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Obama was in North Carolina tonight at a Democratic dinner with Clinton. I would say he was in his element...He just set North Carolina on fire! And Hillary nor the Republicans have the water to put it out.

Posted by: AverageJane | May 2, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

The media has been going ga-ga on this very, very mediocre and insipid political personality.

If the US truly decides to eventually trust her with political leadership, the country will sink further in the esteem of the world..more mire and morass...to follow as long as it lasts...truly depressing years of boredom and ennui...1992-20??, till when it lasts..zzzzzzzzzzzz

However which way you want it, America.

Posted by: mdsubramonia | May 2, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

old music for an old-school girl!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

GO ELTON JOHN !!!!

you're a true American!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

RE: BRUCE SPRINGTEEN


HEY, UNFAIR!

ROCKET MAN LIKES HILLARY!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

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...............The 44th President of the United States

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Why is the GUY

that WROTE

BORN IN USA

BACKING OBAMA

IS HE ELITE?

THANKS BRUCE SPRINGTEEN

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

GO OBAMA !

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

HILLARY WAS BORN TO RUN

BRUCE SPRINGSTREEN

GO OBAMA

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

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Hillary's demographics favor the racists, and the uneducated.


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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

AsperGirl, quit projecting, everything in your windy post has been said to you over the last week but plug in female instead of male. It is YOU who has a "girlcrush" on Shillary. It is BITTER old women who want a female....ANY female elected before they croak.

Posted by: Poor AsperGirl | May 2, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain
says Blood for OIL

is IRAG

oh my What do the Soldiers and Families think?

or did he mean we won't be able to fight over there cause we will not have oil to get there?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Joe, My Beloved Son,

Statments like this are hateful, ignorant and agaisnt everything that I stood for.

"We don't need any stinking militant Black folks in the White House."

Joe, Please do not discrace my memory like this...

Your loving mother.

Posted by: Joe Jackson's Mother | May 2, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

why are the neocons attacking only obama?

it's an important question


and the reason I'm voting for Obama

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

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..... WHY ARE THE NEOCONS ATTACKING OBAMA?

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.........Why are the neocons attacking ONLY Obama ?

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Rush Limbaugh, Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, Pat Buchanan,
Joe Lieberman, Rubert Murdoch, Dick Cheney, Carl Rove, Fox News

W H Y ?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse


Hillary sure is in her element ---Slime

Posted by: GHM | May 2, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

dont SAY OBAMA WON

EVER DAY THIS GOES ON McCAIN GETS OLDER

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Everybody who talks about how much more electable Senator Clinton is than Senator Obama...and who brings up Reverend Wright as an example, is pretty short sighted. Don't think for a second that Republicans wouldn't prefer Senator Clinton to be the nominee than Senator Obama. The "baggage" that Hillary talks about is quite real and the only reason we aren't being reminded about it is because 1) Senator Obama's campaign doesn't go negative and 2) Because the Republicans prefer Hillary to be the nominee. Considering that President Clinton invited Jermiah Wright to the White House and has pictures taken with Wright, considering that Bill Clinton pardoned two of William Ayer's collegues while he was president, considering Hillary lied about her trip to Bosnia, considering even that the Clintons have pictures with Tony Rezko...and these are things that were only brought up in this campaign alone - anything being said about Obama can also be said about Clinton. The media hasn't at all talked about President Clinton's impeachment, we haven't at all talked about Monica Lewinksy, we haven't at all talked about White Water. If you want an election COMPLETELY BERIFT OF A FOCUS ON ISSUES - than Senator Clinton is perfect. Whomever thinks that Hillary actually has a greater electibility with most recent polls that less than 40% of voters TRUST her...you've got to get real here. If you want to excite the Republican party and excite the past divisions that the Clintons spark than - ok - go Hillary. Otherwise, Barack Obama is by far the best choice to win the election...not withstanding the fact that he is WINNING and will be the nominee - this is fact unless something corrupt occurs. The sooner Hillary supporters acknowledge fact and move away from denial...the sooner we stop accepting ridiculous political pledges like this Gas Tax joke...the sooner we can get on to the business of electing Senator Obama and moving this country in the right direction.

Posted by: NK | May 2, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

I honestly don't see much daylight between McCain and Clinton when it comes to the most important issue that faces our nation....WAR.

Posted by: Joyce | May 2, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA HAS ALREADY WON !

Sorry, but it doesn't matter about Indianna or North Carolina. Obama has already won.

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DELEGATE CALCULATOR:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.counter/index.html


Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

The deal is done, the die is cast, the fix is in.

Hill-Rod hasn't a snowball's chance in hell ... and yet the Relentless Ambition Carnival wheezes and sputters along.

Given the hypothetical chance for a tie, does ANYBODY actually believe that the Super-D's would kick Obama to the curb?

Can you IMAGINE the nightmares they are having, re giving the nomination to Chelsea's dad's wife?

Oh, the humanity ... :)

Posted by: Chuckamok | May 2, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

RCP HAS GOOD STATS ON downward trend of married white folk and how single nonwhite now majority that GOPhas hard time getting

the heart of GOP

to go along with article on 10,000,000 new dem voters registered while GOP- 2,000,000 since 2004

Go OBAMA

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

"I am writing in Hillary Clinton. I refuse to have yet another ...."

no you're not; you are voting for John McCain....just like you always were planning to do.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

ANYBODY CAN ATTEND MILLION MAN MATCH ORGANIZED BY LOIUS FARAKKAHN BUT TO ME A PERSON LIKE OBAMA WHO HATES AMERICAN CAN NOT BE ELECTED PRESIDENT! HIS LIFE HAS MIRRORED THAT OF HIS PASTOR JEREMIAH WRIGHT.

Posted by: Steve | May 2, 2008 10:33 PM | Report abuse

"We don't need any stinking militant Black folks..."


Hillary's demographics favor the racists and the uneducated

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Like it or not, old white folks are the highest demographic. They're the ones who watched Obama become the first politician to actually throw his grandma under a bus.
Then his judgement is such that he expects senior citizens not to notice that they are being categorized as "typical white women" and vote for him.
Sure comes across like sound judgement to me.

If you don't want them voting for McCain, then Hillary is the obvious answer.
But the bottom-line reason they are not going to vote for Obama has not a thing to do with racism.

The criticism that held true for him on the first day isn't any less true today. He has nothing tangible to offer. No experience, no answers, no Brain Trust to solve a thing.

You are asking a population in wartime, that is scared out of their financial socks to vote for Mr. Rodgers.

And you think the people that voted for Dubyous George twice because experience was the final denominator are going to be voting for Obama once.
Sure.

I am writing in Hillary Clinton. I refuse to have yet another unelectable democrat like Obama foisted on me and marketed to America.
I am telling everyone I know that they can easily write in Hillary Clinton.
I hope she has the sense to run as an Independent if she has to.
I used to be a democrat but after the level of misogyny and vulgarity this party has not just tolerated, but encouraged, I now think of Obamabots as not much better than I think of Saudi Arabians.

Posted by: gala1 | May 2, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse


Countdown

287 to VICORY OBAMA

408 ELECTEd left


POOOR FAMILIES

ITS REAL IS BLOOD FOR OIL

GOD BLESS THOSE SOULS

THANKS for beign HONEST JOHN McCAIN

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Exerps from my article in THE Nation:


Betsy Reed: How Hillary Clinton's campaign played the race card--and drove a wedge into the feminist movement.

"what is most troubling--and what has the most serious implications for the feminist movement--is that the Clinton campaign has used her rival's race against him. In the name of demonstrating her superior "electability," she and her surrogates have invoked the racist and sexist playbook of the right--in which swaggering macho cowboys are entrusted to defend the country--seeking to define Obama as too black, too foreign, too different to be President at a moment of high anxiety about national security. .. There were references by Clinton campaign officials to Obama's admission of past drug use; the tit-for-tat over Clinton's tone-deaf but historically accurate statement that Martin Luther King needed Lyndon Johnson for his civil rights dreams to be realized; and insinuations that Obama is a token, unqualified, overreaching--that he's all pretty words, "fairy tales"
More than any single thing, that moment with Bill Clinton in South Carolina represents the rupture that was coming,...when the former President compared Obama's landslide win, in which he received a major boost from African-American voters, to Jesse Jackson's victories there in 1984 and 1988. Because the former President offered the comparison unprompted, in response to a question that had nothing to do with Jackson or race, the statement was widely read as chalking up Obama's win to his blackness alone and thus attempting to marginalize him as a doomed minority candidate with limited appeal. Obama was now "the black candidate," in the words of one Clinton strategist quoted by the AP.
...The toxicity is further heightened in this post-9/11 atmosphere, in which an image of Obama in Somali dress is understood as a slur and e-mails claiming that he is a "secret Muslim" schooled in a madrassa spread virally, along with rumors that he took the oath of office on a Koran. The madrassa and Koran canards have been thoroughly debunked, but still they persist--and few have been willing to stand up and say, So what if he was a Muslim? For her part, Clinton, asked on 60 Minutes whether Obama was a Muslim, said, "There is nothing to base that on, as far as I know."
A mere three days after Obama spoke [a bout Wright], Bill Clinton made this statement in North Carolina about a potential Clinton-McCain general election matchup: "I think it'd be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country. And people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics." Whether or not this statement constituted McCarthyism, as one Obama surrogate alleged and as Clinton supporters vigorously denied, the timing of the remark made its meaning quite clear: controversies relating to Obama's race render him less fit than either Hillary or McCain to run for president as a patriotic American. A couple of weeks later, Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen went so far as to call on Obama to make another speech, modeled after John F. Kennedy's declaration in 1960 that, despite his Catholicism, he would respect the separation of church and state as President--as though Obama's blackness were a sign of allegiance to some entity, like the Vatican, other than the United States of America.
In the Democratic debates, enabled by the moderators, Hillary Clinton has increasingly deployed issues of race and patriotism as a wedge strategy against her opponent. First, in the debate in Cleveland on February 26, she pressed Obama not only to denounce but to reject Louis Farrakhan--to whom he was spuriously linked through Reverend Wright, who had taken a trip with the black nationalist leader in the 1980s. In style as well as content, that attack was a harbinger of things to come. In the most recent debate, ABC's George Stephanopolous and Charles Gibson peppered Obama with questions such as, "Do you believe [Wright] is as patriotic as you are?" and, regarding former Weatherman Bill Ayers, a Chicago neighbor and Obama supporter, "Can you explain that relationship for the voters and explain to Democrats why it won't be a problem?" Time after time, Clinton picked up the line and ran with it. "You know, these are problems, and they raise questions in people's minds. And so this is a legitimate area...for people to be exploring and trying to find answers," she said, seeming to abandon her argument that these issues are fair game now only because they will be raised by Republicans later and thus are relevant to an evaluation of Obama's electability.
The Wright, Farrakhan and Ayers controversies have been fueled by a craven media, and ABC's performance in the debate has rightly been condemned. But given that Clinton is the one who is running for President and who purports to represent liberal ideals, her complicity in such attempts to establish guilt by association is far more troubling. While she has dealt gingerly with the matter of Wright in the wake of his recent appearance at the National Press Club--accusing Republicans of politicizing the issue--she also took pains to remind reporters that she "would not have stayed in that church under those circumstances."
It's disappointing, to say the least, to see the first viable female contender for the presidency participate in attacks on her black opponent's patriotism, which exploit an anxious climate around national security that gives white men an edge both over women and people of color--who tend to be viewed, respectively, as weak and potentially traitorous. Says Paula Giddings, "This idea of nationalism and patriotism pulling at everyone has demanded hypermasculine men, more like McCain than the feline Obama, and demanded women whose role is to be maternal more than anything else."

Posted by: Betsy Reed | May 2, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

I would never vote for Obuma! No way at all. Hillary is not too bad in comparison to Obummmma. We don't need any stinking militant Black folks in the White House. If you include the votes from Florida and Michigan Hillary is winning the popular vote. I think it is amazing that Obumma won Iowa by about 230 votes and he was viewed as the Messiah. At least he has come back to Earth. lol

Posted by: Joe Jackson | May 2, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

MY FELLOW "BITTER", STUPID, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE :-)

If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of "BITTER"!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. :-(

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose ;-) husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary's than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)

Best regards

jacksmith... Working Class :-)

p.s. You Might Be An Idiot! :-)

If you don't know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering...

You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. :-)

Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don't die from. And I could go on, and on...

OBAMA AIDE: "WORKING-CLASS VOTERS NOT KEY FOR DEMOCRATS" :o

DEBATE! DEBATE!! DEBATE!!!...

Posted by: jacksmith | May 2, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Tony | May 2, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

POOOR FAMILIES

ITS REALY IS BLOOD FOR OIL

GOD BLESS THOSE SOULS

THANKS for beign HONEST JOHN McCAIN


OBAMA WAS AGAINST THE WAR SOLDIERS

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

EER, I THINK THE PRO-HILLARY NEOCONS HAVE LEFT THIS COLUMN, NOW THAT IT NO LONGER ON THE "POLITICS" PAGE OF THE WASHINGTON POST.

IF YOU GOOGLE SOME OF THEIR COMMENTS, YOU'LL FIND OUT WHERE THEY'VE GONE

YEAH, IT'S AN ORGANIZED CAMPAIGN TO SMEAR OBAMA...IT SEEMS AMATURISH (AND IT IS), BUT DON'T BE FOOLED...

IT'S THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO GOT US IN THE IRAQ WAR.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

POOOR FAMILIES

ITS REAL IS BLOOD FOR OIL

GOD BLESS THOSE SOULS

THANKS for the HONESTY JOHN McCAIN

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Tony | May 2, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

POOOR FAMILIES

ITS REAL IS BLOOD FOR OIL

GOD BLESS THOSE SOULS

THANKS for beign HONEST JOHN McCAIN

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else notice that the picture of Hillary for this article has her in a fascist salute just like the Sadam Hussein statue that was torn down the first 15th time that Mission Was Accomplished??

This must be a Wapo smear against the Clintons... whaaaaaaaaaaaaa, victim hood, entitlement, duplicitous whining whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Can the country agree on at least one thing and move beyond the Clintons and Bushs

THEY BOTH SUCKED. Bill and Hill should be disqualified for a third term. Their first two terms were pretty friggin bad...he was impeached for crimminy sakes, and not just because of the hack Starr.. , and only tolerable in comparison to Little George, the worst Presidency ever

Posted by: Ghona Rhea | May 2, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Yes, in her element, all right...misrepresenting, sliming, pandering, slashing and burning, and smiling and clapping as she goes. The Clinton machine, with the help of Lee Atwater disciples like Sidney Blumenthal, is fighting for its life. If you haven't seen this piece from Huffington about how the Clinton campaign (via Blumenthal) has been feeding bon bons to reporters about Obama ...without hesitating to use "the same sort of guilt-by-association tactics that have been the hallmark of the political right dating back to the McCarthy era," I urge you to read it. Shame on Blumenthal Shame on Hillary! And shame on Dan Balz for covering this campaign like it's a civilized garden party. www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-dreier/sidney-blumenthal-uses-fo_b_99695.html

Posted by: etubrutus | May 2, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

McCAIN

CALLS IRAG BLOOD FOR OIL

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

See it to believe it!

http://www.obamaunveiled.com

See it!

Posted by: Meck | May 2, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Hey Steve...
Take a look at this video of Hillary's pal PA. Gov. Rendell...pal of Farrakhan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXum_-8I1TA

The Clintons have a whole truckload of new garbage they've been accumulating for the past 8 years. What on earth do you think Bill has been doing in India, Dubai, Saudi Arabia, China? Those big $$$$ speeches he's been giving are for his goal of a One World Economy. The Clintons couldn't care less about the U.S. working class or jobs being outsourced. They left that category in the dust a long time ago. Or, as the saying goes: "The Clintons will always be there when they need you."

Posted by: John | May 2, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton goes on RUSH LIMBAUGH


while

Bomb Bomb bombbombbomb bomb IRAN

CALL IRAG BLOOD FOR OIL TODAY

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Voted us into IRAQ !

Hillary is the reason we pay $4.00 for gas.

I've voted for a Democrat for 20 years.

If she STEALS the nomination with her dirty campaign she can kiss my vote goodbye -

AND MILLIONS Just Like me.

I WILL NOT vote for her - EVER (again).

Posted by: PulSamsara | May 2, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

OK, Obama has more delegates and more votes, but go ahead cheat African Americans and whites who voted for Obama and tell him to go to the back of the bus. We will see how "electable" she is.


...and please, put the stress on "whites".......I, for one, will not vote for Hillary, if (and this won't happen) she somehow manages to steal the election.

better McCain (what's the difference...at least a Republican will be in office when Bush's sh!t hits the fan)

Obama

or

McCain

...but, since Obama has already won...that's the choice we'll all have.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Jim | May 2, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

RED CHINA got AMERICAN DEFENSE JOBs thanks to Clinton

SELLING 86% of the magnets that go into

SMART BOMBS from VALPO, IN

against Gov. Bayh's MEMO

Was bad

Go OBAMA

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

What is the problem with listening to Wright for 20 years? What is the point of listening to only those you agree with on everything? Why cant Obama just share the positives of Wright? Is Wright not a human being, pastor and elderly person that deserves some respect. I have lived in this country for 12 years and go to a church where I dont agree with most folks ideologocally. But still enjoy fellowship with them. I listen to all the ideolgically misguided opinions in the US that cause all the chaos in the US and in the world, but still I dont leave the US.

Posted by: Ed P | May 2, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Thank god, my fellow citizens in Indiana are not buying the empty promises Obama has to offer!

While he offers an uplifting speech and speaks eloquently of hope and change, only what he has done in the IL state senate and his 3 years in the US Congress are the real guage. Indeed, he has done little in terms of accomplishments.

So, thank s to the people of Indiania, I too will take my chances with Hillary. The more I learn about Obama, the more disturbed I am getting:

http://www.obamaunveiled.com

James
Iraq Vet

Posted by: Jim | May 2, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

OK, Obama has more delegates and more votes, but go ahead cheat African Americans and whites who voted for Obama and tell him to go to the back of the bus. We will see how "electable" she is.

Posted by: carl | May 2, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

And this is news _how_?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

People that emphasise Obama's middle name are scary ignorant fools. Just sayin'

Posted by: Chris | May 2, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Have ya noticed how Hillary won't back down on the silly gas tax holiday even after the deficiencies in the idea have been pointed out to her? That's how she was in her dealing with others on her health care plan when Bill was prez. She doesn't like to compromise, or even listen to others.

Posted by: Javalation | May 2, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

o b a m a . - . s h a l o m

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Why should she give up? She made a deal about 3-4 weeks ago with the zionists, promising them whatever pandering thing she had to for Israel to get the jewish controlled media on her side. That's why Obama has been under attack and why, even now 3 different channels are dwelling on the effin' Rev. Wright non-issue.

We saw this in the run up to the wrongway war on Iraq when the Zionists held their noses and jumped in with the grandson of a nazi business partner, G. W. Bush (and Halliburton, Big Oil, Blackwater etc.), throwing their media behind a war, not on Bin Laden, but Iraq, Israel's greatest threat du jour.

Shame, the zionists are to the mostly progressive American jewish community what the neocons are to our society at large, tiny, loud and dangerous right wing lunatics who intimidate through religion and fake patriotism as well as lies.

I don't think it will workthis timeand I know it will be remembered.

Posted by: Bent | May 2, 2008 10:14 PM | Report abuse

"she will not yield until she is finally defeated."

CORRECTION:

she will not yield until she is finally THE WINNER.

CORRECTION:

she will not yield until she gets back her 5 million buck$

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

put money on the filly? i didn't know she took money. her old folks i can understand!

Posted by: gerald | May 2, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

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OBAMA HAS ALREADY WON !

...it doesn't matter about Indiana or North Carolina. Obama has already won. Hillary can win every primary that's left by 70%....and Obama still leads. He's won.

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DELEGATE CALCULATOR:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.counter/index.html


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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Apparently there is a new Hillary scandal about to hit in Indiana. It relates to a closing of a large plant (Magnequench)in Vapraiso, Indiana back in the 90's. Apparently there is a memo from Evan Bayh that has surfaced in which Bayh blames the Clinton's for the closing of the plant and this memo is due to hit the Indy presses tomorrow. This is a big deal to the Hoosiers and could swing the election to Obama!

Posted by: Bob, DC | May 2, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

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.........WHY DO THE NEOCONS SUPPORT CLINTON ?

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Jake D

Wolfson within ten minutes of Andrews aqnnoncement dismissed and questions his ties to Indiana...

they are so classy aren't they... like the Mafisoso

he is another Gem: Bill a former President?? hard to belive.

Former President Bill Clinton was in West Virginia on his wife's behalf. In Clarksburg, he called her a scrapper and contrasted her appeal among working-class voters with the elitists he said support Obama.
"The great divide in this country is not by race or even income, it's by those who think they are better than everyone else and think they should play by a different set of rules," he said. "In West Virginia and Arkansas, we know that when we see it."

HOw rich... Mark Rich..kind of disgusting corrupt rich.... Cigar anyone??

Posted by: Eva Peron no doubt | May 2, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

I dont care about her campaigning, its just idiotic. I want Obama.

Posted by: Paul Nolan | May 2, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton has endorsed Minister Louis Farrakhan's Million More March (scheduled for October 14-15, 2005, in Washington, D.C.). The event will mark the 10th anniversary of Farrakhan's so-called Million Man March of 1995. (The 100,000-man march probably would be more accurate.)

In an exclusive interview with the Amsterdam News, a black newspaper published in New York City (and posted on its website on May 4th), Clinton calls the Farrakhan project "a very positive idea." Elaborating, the ex-president explains, "Jesse (Jackson) and Mr. Farrakhan and Rev. Sharpton probably have some internal domestic differences, but they've agreed on" the rally's importance.
BARACK OBAMA ATTENDED MILLION MAN MATCH WITH LOIUS FARAKKAHN


Clinton retroactively endorsed the 1995 march, explaining that Farrakhan and friends, "were basically standing up for the dignity of the family and asking African American men and fathers to be more responsible." Moreover, "it was totally non-violent and got a big participation.

so, you have Obama attending a march (with a million others), and the then President Clinton endorsing the march.

so which is more damning (if either)

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

michael4:

I don't "support" either McCain or Hillary. My candidate was going to be Romney ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Copyright Reverend Irving Wright with twenty years of Amens from Barry Obama

While the storm clouds gather far across the sea,
Let us repudiate a land that's so called free,
Let us all be hateful for a land that's so called fair,
As we raise our bitter voices in a solemn prayer.

God Da-mn America,
Land that I loathe.
Stand astride her, yet despise her
With a chip on a shoulder from above.
From the plantations, up to Harvard
To the Jews rich from our blood
God Da-am America, keepin' us down down down.

Posted by: Merle | May 2, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Bill Clinton said it would be nice to have two people who loved America in the race.

Here's BHO's resume:
1) stopped wearing american flag lapel pin as US Senator, stating it was 'false patriotism'
2) chooses to leave islam to worship with Rev Wright for 18 yrs, who encourages congregation to sing "g-d d-amn america'
3) Ivy league wife of ivy league senator BHO gets a $200000 raise the day he is elected to the senate as a 'community outreach' officer for a Chicago Hospital. When her hubby wins the Iowa primary, she states she is proud of America for the first time in her life.

So it appears BC was right this time. BHO is 'typical affirmative action' empty suit with a major chip on shoulder.

Posted by: Tony | May 2, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

And, in 2004, Barack HUSSEIN Obama defended Kerry and Edwards' vote on said war -- Obama said "I don't know" when asked whether he would have voted for said war had he been a U.S. Senator at the time -- since he became a U.S. Senator, though, he has voted the exact same way on FUNDING the war as Hillary.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama's contradictions:

He said Rev. Wright's speech should be understood in the context of black church. Now he states that his speech is outrageous.
So now he disowns black America, white grandmother and his spirtual advisor....

We need a speech on religion and then on judgment then on ....

He his a politician pure and simple.

Posted by: rudy | May 2, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

BARACK OBAMA ATTENDED MILLION MAN MATCH WITH LOIUS FARAKKAHN, HIS LONG TIME PASTOR OF TWENTY YEARS IS JEREMIAH WRIGHT, HIS MANTRA TO THE PRESIDENCY IS THAT HE OPPOSED THE IRAGI WAR FROM DAY ONE, HE WILL MEET WITH FIDEL CASTRO OF CUBA, HUGO CHAVEZ OF VENEZUELA, AMADINEJAD OF IRAN ETC WITHOUT PRE-CONDITIONED. WHO SAYS BARACK OBAMA DO NOT BELIEVE IN HIS PASTOR?
IT IS NOT BY ACCIDENT THAT HE OPPOSED IRAGI WAR, WILL MEET ALL THE WORLD'S DICTATORS WITHOUT PRE-CONDITIONED

Posted by: Steve | May 2, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Obama is not ready for the Repuglican attack machine. Besides, have you noticed he looks like J Fred Muggs? HRC will be ready to hit the ground running on Day One. You Go Girl.

Posted by: Geraldine | May 2, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Clinton's element is lying, pandering, scheming, deception, and deceit. It is time to move on to a new generation of new politics lead by Barack Obama.

Posted by: Bob, DC | May 2, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

For me this article creates even graver, deeper concern about Hillary's "obliterate Iran" comment .

On the sniper fire story: Hillary appeared unfazed by the possibility of detection. Guilt, fear of humiliation, or any other negative repercussions did not appear to inhibit her. Apparently, there was no little voice in her head, helping her to distinguish between right and wrong. Christopher Hitchens concluded that Hillary may be "someone who lies without conscience or reflection".
(from www.huffingtonpost.com/ellen-ladowsky/hillarys-psychic-reality)

"lies without consciencwe or reflection"

In that light, now consider this:

Iran has complained to the UN about Hillary's remark that in retaliation to an attack on Israel she would obliterate Iran. She isn"t even the Democratic party nominee and she is rattling sabers -- a strategy of belligerent non-communication with key world players.

Iran complains to UN over Clinton's attack threat
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gSflKoY8Vpa7KJzCGk8QmlG80Smw

Posted by: Kristin2 | May 2, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

If Bill is once again returned to the "White" House as executive member, will he once again have interns on his executive staff?

Posted by: Al | May 2, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Headline - that's the best post I've seen tonight!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

Go Hillary Go! She's magnificent--what a great president she will be--an amazing humanitarian and fighter for human rights, an advocate for a clean environment and renewable energies, for jobs and repairing America's standing in the world. A hard worker, experienced, competent and a creative problem solver--the best candidate by far!!!!!!!!! Go Hillary Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Sally Apfelbaum | May 2, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

They are going to find a way to take Obama's victory away. Just watch.

Posted by: Tanyqa | May 2, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I agree with a blogger who wrote Obama wounded by the antics of Rev. Wright is a better candidate for President than Hillary Clinton.

Posted by: Obama for President | May 2, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

"Clinton, in Her Element"

I don't see any pigpens here. What is Dan Balz talking about?

Posted by: Headline | May 2, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Reports from the trenches say Hillary and her campaign know she cannot win and are only fighting on to get VP slot. But I also hear that Obama and his team do not want her. Therein lies the problem.

Posted by: Bob, DC | May 2, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

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Incite racial hatred against Muslims!

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TODAY'S SCRIPT:
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Incite racial hatred against Black Americans!

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TOMORROW'S SCRIPT.

(to be announced on Fox News)


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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Looks like we have moved on from Peak Obama. Latest focus groups:

Indecisive
Buffeted
Gurly
Bewildered
Latte'd
Bitter
Denouncing
Lapel Dysmorphic
Nicotine Addicted
Snooty
Condescending
Religious fringe
Anti-patriotic
Empty suit
Superficial


Posted by: Marshall | May 2, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

JakeD:

So, you're a McCain supporter. Why are you so pro-Hillary?

I could've been a McCain supporter until:
1. he spoke at Falwell's commencement, pandering to the far self-righteous right;

2. he flip-flopped on so many issues;

3. today's assertion that we went to war in Iraq for oil. Of course, that may have been the Bush administrations motive, but I don't believe most Americans would have agreed to invade on that basis.

4. He's too old, and is becoming senile (at best). His major decision will be his VP running mate, who very well could end up as President. As of now, that is unknown.

Posted by: michael4 | May 2, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

BARACK OBAMA ATTENDED MILLION MAN MATCH WITH LOIUS FARAKKAHN, HIS LONG TIME PASTOR OF TWENTY YEARS IS JEREMIAH WRIGHT, HIS MANTRA TO THE PRESIDENCY IS THAT HE OPPOSED THE IRAGI WAR FROM DAY ONE, HE WILL MEET WITH FIDEL CASTRO OF CUBA, HUGO CHAVEZ OF VENEZUELA, AMADINEJAD OF IRAN ETC WITHOUT PRE-CONDITIONED. WHO SAYS BARACK OBAMA DO NOT BELIEVE IN HIS PASTOR?
IT IS NOT BY ACCIDENT THAT HE OPPOSED IRAGI WAR, WILL MEET ALL THE WORD DICTATORS WITHOUT PRE-CONDITIONED!

Posted by: Steve | May 2, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Eva Argentina Facsist (no doubt):

Please point out where either one of the Clintons have tried to knee cap Joe Andrew. I haven't even heard them so much as mention his name since his open letter.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

She and Bill are so good at the demagogue stick, and then claim victim when they are called on it.

Hey Bill! And the Raging Cadging Slim Pig, that that was a great one-- Judas, and Bill whining "it was Obama who played the race card".

Almost as good as Bill, Hillary, Ann Lewis and Blumenthal's disgusting slanderous if not criminal smear of Monica Lewinski.

Clintons and Rove do not have a monopoly on retribution. People are keeping score and will the Clinton McCarthyism, Racism and Rovian tactics will not go unnoticed or unpunished.

Those who do not repudiate her campaign will find that they have limited political careers and will be on the outside looking in, wishing they had done the right thing.

Joe Andrew joins the ranks of American and Dem party hero, standing up to the threats and thugishness of the Clintons. They have already come back and tried to knee cap him, slimy as they are.

They have become the Brownshirts of the Democratic party.

Franco Mussolini Billary Clinton. Your doing a heck of a job for McCain.

They SU*K.

Posted by: Eva Argentina Facsist | May 2, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

To anyone else like ExClintonFan, the RULES you agreed to abide by in posting here state (in part):

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Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Obamaphiles are really desperate this weekend. You can tell by their comments. They've put the Obama slime machine in high gear, spewing out venom at top speed.

If only they knew how to discuss important issues with civility, perhaps they would feel less threatened.

Posted by: ichief | May 2, 2008 9:34 PM
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Like you? What important issue were you discussing above?

You use too much pejorative terminology to be taken seriously.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

I feel like throwing up everytime I see the press and Obama's supporters trying to prop Obama up.

He's like the dead parrot in Monty Python.

Obama's attacks on Hillary Clinton are even worse.

Its like people attacking their own parents.

That's the problem with the whole Obama campaign.

Its partricide against Bill Clinton's Presidency.

Obama should NEVER have run in this election.

He doesn't have the experience or track record to be President.

If he's the nominee, he'll lose by a landslide and Clinton voters will vote for McCain, not out of spite, but because Obama simply doesn't have the experience or track record.

All Obama has is a cult of personality, and that's actually a negative, not a positive.

The fact that he's gotten this far isn't something to be proud of, its something to be ashamed of.

Everyone, in their heart of hearts, know its because he's "the great Black hope"

Obama is where he is because of his race.

If he wasn't Black, he wouldn't be considered a viable candidate with less than half a term in the Senate before he started to run for President.

Obama is an example of affirmative action gone wild.

Virtually all the other candidates had far more merit than him, but people were excited about the prospect of a Black candidate.

That's not fair to the people of America.

We need to choose the best person for the job, not give preference to one race over another.

That's racist, and its sickening.

Its a disgrace to America and to the people who have fought and died to protect the principles of Democracy.

Racism has no place in the selection of a President.

Only merit does.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Bob, DC:

I don't think they "love" her -- have you ever read "The Art of War" -- they simply think McCain can beat her more easily.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 9:44 PM | Report abuse

"she will not yield until she is finally defeated."

CORRECTION:

she will not yield until she is finally THE WINNER.

Posted by: Freelance Journalist | May 2, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

ExClintonFan:

I'd wager that I realized "the Clintons were lying, pandering candidates who say whatever they think people want to hear at the time and whatever suits their fancy" long before you did. I definitely don't want her for President after 8 years of George Bush. Perhaps you have me mistaken for someone else who posts in an "egotistical, inaccurate, [and] poorly written" manner.

Have a nice life.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

ByeObama:

"Ignorance runs rampant with people who say Hillary voted for the war..We were all sucked into a web of the republican BUSH!!.Hillary voted on the war based on the lies she was told..blaming her is ignorant.."

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What she was told? WHAT SHE WAS TOLD? How about reading the NIE as her chairman, Senator Graham, suggested? You are right, ignorance runs rampant.

Obama never said he "voted" against the war, he said he WAS (publicly - listen to his speech) against the war! Are you the only person on the planet who doesn't know that? FYI - he was in the Illinois senate. You are right, ignorance runs rampant.

Posted by: michael4 | May 2, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Bob, DC:

Are you a current Democratic super delegate?

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Why do the hard core wacko RepubliCons "love" Hillary? Makes you wonder.

Posted by: Bob, DC | May 2, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Folks like Jake D need to get a life and realize that Clinton is a lying, pandering candidate who says whatever she thinks people want to hear at the time and whatever suits her fancy. When confronted with the fact that no economist thinks her gas tax proposal helps and in fact they all think it HURTs Americans, she said she doesn't have to listen to advisers. Is that who we want for President after 8 years of George BUsh?

People who are still hung up on the Wright thing are in a word---stupid. Wright's not running President, have you checked your ballots lately? The Clintons welcomed Wright to the White House too you know. She lied about Bosnia and NAFTA.

Jake D I hope you do switch to the Republicans after the primaries because the rest of us could use a break from your egotistical, inaccurate, poorly written posts Get a life.

Posted by: ExClintonFan | May 2, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Woody:

So, let me get this straight, if Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and the rest of Fox News was doing everything possible to get Barack HUSSEIN Obama elected, that would somehow bolster the claim that HILLARY wasn't all hot air and actually the candidate of change?

LOL

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Message to the Hilary from the SuperDs: You cannot win no matter what you do.

Posted by: Bob, DC | May 2, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Obamaphiles are really desperate this weekend. You can tell by their comments. They've put the Obama slime machine in high gear, spewing out venom at top speed.

If only they knew how to discuss important issues with civility, perhaps they would feel less threatened.

Posted by: ichief | May 2, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

BTW: the Obamas were members of Wright's church for TWENTY (not just six) years and gave over $40,000 in just the past two years. I call that "complicit" as well.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Now I'm not usually a paranoid guy, but there are a number of inconsistencies and oddities in the media concerning Senator Obama that give me pause. First, why is Senator Obama constantly being hit for what his pastor said when Senator McCain has sought and still covets the likes of televangelist John Hagee who believes the Catholic Church conspired with the Nazis and that Katrina was God's retribution for homosexual sin? Second, why is the media constantly pushing the idea that Senator Obama is an elitist when he came from a broken home as opposed to the other 2 candidates who were never placed at such a disadvantage? Added with the fact that Senator McCain and Senator Clinton are worth at least 100 million dollars and Hillary doesn't know how to operate a blue collar coffee machine, I find that assertion particularly odd. Third, why does the media avoid Bill Clintion's ties with dictators and the dubious contributions to his library? Fourth, why is Senator Obama constantly being labeled the 'Black' candidate when in fact he is half white? Fifth, why has the media virtually said nothing about Senator Clinton wanting to use the United States military to keep all nations in check in the Middle East? This seems entirely inconsistent since it is a major policy shift from disengaging Iraq to engaging the entire Middle East! And lastly, why is Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and Fox news doing everything possible to get Hillary Clinton elected? Like I said, I'm not usually a paranoid guy, but all these facts seem to point to one thing: that Senator Obama isn't all hot air and actually is the candidate of change. Something the corridors of power in Washington and corporate media (an extension of corporate America) aren't too happy about.

Posted by: Woody | May 2, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I thought you meant that BILL CLINTON was inciting a riot. Thanks for the clarification.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

JakeD

So, guilt by association IS a legitimate political campaign tactic?
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NO not association. That is a rather LOOSE parameter. GUILT by association would be a fellow parent on my daiughters soccer team. Not SIX years serving on a board of a company as well as working as a lawyer for that corperation to fend off unions. I wouldnt call that association. I call it complicit.

Posted by: feastorafamine | May 2, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

http://hillaryclinton.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/bill-clinton-makes-appearance-on-rush-limbaugh-show/
Bill Clinton was on Rush Limbaugh's show the day of the Texas primary.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/15980105/detail.html
Rsuh Limbaugh inciting riots in Denver.

There ya go.

Posted by: feastorafamine | May 2, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, the first 9:21 PM post was the fake JakeD.

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton is like Harry Truman: battling the odds, never quitting, and taking her message directly to the voters. We fervently hope she will acheive the same result.

Posted by: John | May 2, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

feastorafamine:

So, guilt by association IS a legitimate political campaign tactic?

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

"um...I am an African American vegetarian lesbian transvestite who's against Obama because....blah, blah, blah..."

Me too!

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Only in America can a candidate running for president be condemned for what his former pastor said as opposed to those who voted for the biggest foreign policy debacle in American history - the Iraq War.

Posted by: Woody | May 2, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Ignorance runs rampant with people who say Hillary voted for the war..We were all sucked into a web of the republican BUSH!!.Hillary voted on the war based on the lies she was told..blaming her is ignorant..Obama lied and said he did not vote for the war..BUT HE LIED BECAUSE HE WAS NOT IN THE SENATE TO VOTE FOR THE WAR AND VOTED THE SAME WAY AS HILLARY TO FUND THE WAR WHEN HE GOT IN THE SENATE!!!!>>PUT THE BLAME OF THE WAR WHERE IT BELONGS WITH BUSH!!!and OBAMA USING A LIE TO PUMP UP HIS LACK OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS!!!!Hillary plans to stop this war and WILL!!.and you can get sucked into more lies with Obama that lied over 50 times in this campaign...Read the 50 lies Obama told this campaign..see Political Forum.com Campaigns and elections by Latisha and It is Stupid to bring up the war and blame Hillary when it was BUSH who started it and We got Obama who's Muslim father belong to the most corrupt Organization in Africa the Kenyatta where they killed, raped and were arsonist, and Obama's Muslim Step father who put his step son in the The Jakarta's Musllm Wahabbi school where they wage Jihad on the rest of the world????????? See U.S. Veteran dispatch December 2006..Boy if this was Hillarys family she would of been done the first week...Bottom line Obama and his preacher, mafia dealigns with Rezko, antisemetic Farragon backing Obama, the list of shady characters goes on. and on.CLINTONS HOLD THE BIGGEST ECONOMIC GROWTH OF ANY PRESIDENCY IN THE HISTORY OF THE USA AND THE LONGEST PEACE KEEPING TIME of any presidency IN THE HISTORY OF OF THE USA.THIS IS A NO BRAINER!!!?? >>AS THESE ARE THE TWO of AMERICA"S BIGGEST CONCERNS TODAY!!!.Not god da-- America with B,O, in the Wright House ..God Bless America with the right candidate HILLARY CLINTON in the White house!!! HILLARY 2008!!

Posted by: ByeObama | May 2, 2008 9:19 PM | Report abuse

She's revealed herself to be a petty, cheap egomaniac with the arrogance and sense of entitlement that all the Democratic Leadership Committee members have. It's the old-school anti-labor Democratic establishment that kept us out of the majority in Congress for 12 (twelve!) years- and helped get us into Iraq vs Obama and the new wave of Democrats. With that choice, I'll vote for Obama anytime!

Posted by: losthorizon101 | May 2, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if it is of any interest to Indy voters that Hillary was on the board of Wal-Mart for six years? Wal-Mart is the largest union-busting behemoth in the world. She sat by idly for years knowing Wal-Mart had publicly declared "Unions are the biggest blood s*cking leeches in the world." Hillary is for working class folks? Ya right. Look it up. Also hypocritical is her admonishment of the Chinese. Wal-Mart is the largest importer of Chinese goods in the world. I find it odd that Hillary could on the one hand, serve on the board of Wal-Mart for six years, importing Chinese products, keeping unions out, then turn around and garner support from Unions, working class folk and then give speeches on the evils of China. THAT is the height of hypocrisy.

From company archives, anti-union video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sigkAd3SxxI
In her element? Hardly

Posted by: feastorafamine | May 2, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe that William JEFFERSON Clinton has ever been on Rush Limbaugh's show, but I'd be interested in a link for that or "inciting a riot" as well : )

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Do you think Clinton was the only Senator who voted for the war on Iraq? Americans sometimes have such a memory deficiency!! The vote was taken when the Bush administration provided Congress with false information, when the majority of citizens in this country were speaking in favor of war, and when most of us were too rattled and frightened to make reasonable decisions. Believe it or not, the people who serve our country in government positions, even though I'm sure there are some who would disagree with this statement, are human just as the rest of us are. They were mislead, they made a mistake. Aren't we mature enough to admit it and then go on to correct it - which is exactly what Clinton is proposing we do?

Posted by: To Kev | May 2, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

BZ:

So, your argument is that, because you want to vote for the winner in November, you're going to vote in the Primary for the person who will not win the Party nomination? Exactly how can she win an election in which she will not be a participant?

Posted by: michael4 | May 2, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

I agree with J B Sheffield... If the Democrates lose this election because of Hillary's evil intentions she can forget 2012... because we will never forget.. It's amazing to me how her supporters are beating up on Obama for the words that came out of someone else's mouth but are willing to give Hillary a hall pass for her blatant pathological lying... I believe that she has proven that she will pander to get votes (gas tax) and will even stoop to drinking beer and downing shooters with the boys...what a joke... people are so confused...I know that they see this as pandering but will stick with Hillary come hell or high water.. nevertheless, they want to project such high ethics when it comes to rejecting Senator Obama... Bill Clinton went on Rush Limbaugh's show...a man who is advocating violence by inciting people to riot at the Democratic Convention in Denver..where is the outrage... Bill Clinton played with a cigar in a woman's private parts in the whitehouse where Hillary and Chelsey eat and sleep and Hillary's supporters do not see that as a reflection on her...

Rev. Wright's words did not call people to action he just voiced an opinion and he has been labled as un-american... a double standard I tell you.. Hillary and McCain supporters are biased in who they call on the carpet... I believe that if each of them would look in the mirror and evaluate their thoughts to determine if they would pass through the pearly gates based on how they behave on a daily basis the answer would freighten them.... I bet when judgement day comes Hillary nor McCain will not be able to save them.....

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Don't you youngsters have somewhere better to be on a Friday evening?

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

please please.......... please find a replacement for Dan Balz.

Posted by: washingtondc | May 2, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

I have been a strong supportor of Hillary Clinton since the mid 90s when she wrote her FANTASTIC book, IT TAKES A VILLAGE. As a teacher, I found her message right on target. I have even lost a potential great friend who is a REPUBLICAN and good riddance, because he couldn't think of Hillary being the President of the USA!!!
I really do not care. What I do care about is my country, the United States! I feel that we are in such a mess that only Hillary Clinton can unravel the mess and help our citizens to find our country again. Thank you, Hillary, for all of those exhausting days and nightsof campaigning. I have been praying for you,and I have been working for you as a volunteer to get your message out there in America. You will be the best President that the US has ever had. Hang in there, folks!
Nancy Seagraves

Posted by: Nancy Seagraves | May 2, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Michael 4,
Your discussion of the IQ of a brick is a good demonstration of your mental ability.

Thank you for your monkey show.

Posted by: God Father | May 2, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Certainly can't criticize Obama for voting
positive or negative on a specific issue, now can we???? Because he never takes a stand!!! Over 100 times (yes, 100 times) he was present for the vote but didn't vote "for" or "against". So I guess when you don't take a stand on issues, it's very easy to criticize someone else.

Obama you are a loser!!!!! The kitchen is
waaaaaaay to "hot" for you.

You better bail out now.

Posted by: Sandy, PA | May 2, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: | May 2, 2008 8:38 PM
Obama's supporters desperation is showing.

Screaming "Obama's already won" when Obama's clearly unelectable just makes them look silly.

The truth is that Obama's already lost.

svreader,
Too frightened to even sign a fake name now? You still don't have anything new to say. Better go back to making your millions instead of posting here until you can think of something original. Or is your neuron not firing?

Posted by: svloser | May 2, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

The "white blue collar voters" (i.e., Archie Bunker racists) aren't going to vote Democrat in the general election anyway, so who cares if Hillary does better among them. I'm sick and tired of these morons voting their prejudices, and wanting to be pandered to (oh yes, you have no college education, and you believe the apocalypse is coming, and you love to shoot defenseless animals--so that means you are smart and able to pick the next president!)--then we all have to live with the consequences of their ignorant choices. These are the people who put Bush in office. They should just stay home with the cows and not vote at all. How about some humility from these religion and gun clingers. You're good at cows and farming, and you are "decent" people, but you suck at choosing a president. So recognize what you are good at and don't vote.

Hillary is a liar and there is no one more elitist than she is. Her spiel about "experience" is a total lie. For those of you who can add, she cannot possibly have 35 years of experience. She had no experience for president living in Arkansas working full-time as a lawyer and being the governor's wife and a mother. The experience she claims in the White House has been disputed - like the Northern Ireland peace agreement that the participants say she didn't negotiate, like the Family Medical Leave Act which she couldn't possibly have gotten passed since it passed only 2 weeks after Bill Clinton took office, like her fantasy about landing in Bosnia under sniper fire.

She voted for the war in Iraq thinking she was voting for inspectors? (then why not object when the troops actually went in). She voted for Bush's resolution on Iran. She threatened to nuke Iran and they've sent a letter to the UN complaining a UN rule violation by Hillary. "It's 3:00 a.m. and Hillary just nuked Iran!"

Hillary will be a corrupt and incompetent president if she wins the nomination and the presidency. But she won't win the presidency because most of the black voters who feel insulted by Billary won't show up at the polls, and no Democrat can win without the black vote.

Hoosier hicks - please stay home on May 6th.

Posted by: Donna | May 2, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

if

HILLARY WINS INDIANA BY 70%!!!!!

HILLARY WINS WEST VIRGINA BY 70%!!!!!!!!

HILLARY WINS NORTH CAROLINA BY 70%!!!!!!!

HILLARY WINS OREGON BY 70% !!!!!!!!!!!!

HILLARY WINS PUERTO RICO BY 70%!!!!!!!!


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Obama's still ahead

OBAMA'S WON !

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DELEGATE CALCULATOR:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.counter/index.html

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

GO OBAMA !

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 8:52 PM | Report abuse


MEMORANDUM BEFORE THE SUNDAY MORNING TALK SHOWS ...

The Wright controversy allowed critics of Barack Obama to lay into his judgement, his political instincts and reaction time, and his temperament.

This Sunday, the chattering class will be intensely involved in a post-mortem of the controversy, and might find it profitable to ponder an example from American history.

"[He] had no spontaneity--no emotional nature ... He was never a man of gushing feelings.

"[He] shrank from controversy as a general rule--hated quarrels, hated to say hard & sharp thing of any man ...

"He was slow to form his opinions. He was deliberate, cool & demanded the light of all the facts surrounding the case. When he formed his opinions he was firm, especially about questions of justice [and] principle ... [He] had unsurpassed reasoning powers. His logical faculties were great ...

"[His] statesmanship [lay in his] adherence to principle. He studied where the truth of a thing layand he acted on his conviction. He looked far into the future and was philosophical, true, scientific, in his inductions."

The opinion expressed above was held by Supreme Court Justice David Davis and the Illinois politican he was talking about was the same one for whom he had organized a successful presidential campaign in 1860--Abraham Lincoln.

Only time will tell if, once in office, Barack Obama will show the same wisdom that his fellow prairie lawyer Abraham Lincoln did.

But the gathering storms we are confronting as a nation suggest that such wisdom we will need.

Obama's promise is that, like Lincoln, he is cerebral, eschews petty politics, is "slow to form his opinions" and demands "the light of all the facts."

Obama, like Lincoln, possesses great "logical faculties", and he has shown he is firm on questions of justice and principle.

After all is said and done, Sen. Obama's promise remains great, and is fuelled by the phrase he like to invoke of Dr. King's, the "fierce urgency of now."

It is something one hopes the chattering classes will take into account, as they assay the political landscape and the hopes for our country.


Posted by: martin edwin andersen | May 2, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

"It's time to dump Obama"


too late: he's won


...now you can start campaigning for your first choice: McCain; your second choice: Hillary has lost.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

to all of you obamaites...REMEMBER GEORGE MCGOVERN.

Respected, honorable (though he didn't sit at Reverend Wright's knee for 20 years then say I made a boo boo...), hopeful, well tempered...and he LOST 49 states...even though I, in my 26th year voted for him...he LOST.

and so will obama if nominated...regardless of YOUR HOPE.

Why? BECAUSE YOU ARE PREACHING TO THE CONVERTED and NOT to those who will never vote for him.

Never vote for him. Just like those who NEVER VOTED FOR MCGOVERN (unfortunately but more importantly TRUE)...

You can beleive all you want/but you preach to the already converted.

yeah!!!!!! Wow!!!!!! but he won't, even with my vote, win the general election. AND YOU WILL HAVE ELECTED GRANDPA!!!

(JUST LIKE NADER ELECTED (SORT OF ) BUSH.
regardless of how much nader denies it


Posted by: jatox | May 2, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm so tired of the argument that this race is destroying the democratic party. This race has energized voters. The stupid polls about people voting for McCain if their candidate loses are just press-manipulating garbage. It's all hypothetical. The bottom line is that right now, these two candidates are virtually tied and no candidate in their right mind would quit if they were in Hillary's shoes - even Obama. The only people blathering on about this are Obama supporters who fear that their candidate is being weakened. They fear this because he IS weak . . . and they should know he's not worthy of the job. This is exactly how this process is supposed to work. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen and go back to voting "present."

Posted by: Susie | May 2, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

How can anyone continue to support Obama after the past several days, after knowing he hasn't won one big state, after knowing his poor state senate record, after knowing his poor attendance record in the U.S. Senate, and after knowing that he attended a church for 20 years and listen to hatred spewing from a disgusting pastor. And how can anyone vote for this lightweight knowing he will lose in November. He has alienated Hispanics, seniors, white middle class, Jews and Catholics. And keep in mind most of Hillary's supporters will not vote for him. It's time to dump Obama.

Posted by: Political Watchdog | May 2, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

ok, I guess I have to scream:

IF HILLARY WINS EVERY PRIMARY !!!!!!!!!!BY 70%!!!!!!!!!!WOW!!!!!!!70%!!!!!!!!!!WOW!!!!!70%!!!

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Obama still wins!

she cannot catch up...she's lost, or as you would say:

SHE'S LOST !!!!!!!!!
SHE'S LOST !!!!!!!!!
SHE'S LOST !!!!!!!!!
SHE'S LOST !!!!!!!!!
SHE'S LOST !!!!!!!!!


again, she's lost

Obama has won

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Kudos to "indyvoter" for the calm words.

Some of the comments I've read charge Senator Clinton with "voting for the Iraq war." It's not that simple. The President of the United States presented the world with evidence that Saddam Hussein had at least atomic capability and was prepared to use it. President Bush brought General Powell to the UN to present that evidence. He then turned to the US Congress and asked them to vote in favor of authorization for the use of force to ensure that ground inspectors were given total access to every facility in Iraq. The Senator from New York, a state and city still reeling from the 911 attack, voted in favor of that authorization. She made hard a decision; she made the correct decision.

Folks, when the consequences of inaction can be measured in half-lives, action is required. America (who largely supported that vote, though many deny it now) did not know how badly distorted the evidence was. I, frankly, am not convinced that President Bush himself knew how badly distorted the evidence was, a scenario far more frightening than if he *did* know.

Senator Obama is not a bad guy. The Reverend "issue" isn't. Most of us who support Senator Clinton do so because we admire substance, and this Reverend issue has very little. That said, I hope that the supporters of Senator Obama take note in how frustrating it is to hear your candidate unfairly maligned and be ridiculed. You've had just a small helping of what our candidate has had to deal with for decades. Senator Clinton has never been the "popular kid" even when she was the front runner. But she keeps running anyway. A lot of us find that very inspiring.

Posted by: Johnny Schad | May 2, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I used "Negroes" because there was a post above by Jessie Trent saying that "element" was a 50's code word for "Negroes". It is not my word and I was responding to that post above by. I have not heard anyone say Negroes since my moms generation. As I was responding, I did not think it was an insult but if you took it that way, so be it. All else I wrote is true and I was merely pointing out that those of us not For Barrack Obama does not mean we are racists.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama's supporters desperation is showing.

Screaming "Obama's already won" when Obama's clearly unelectable just makes them look silly.

The truth is that Obama's already lost.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

You GO girl. Most of these folks are tooooo young to ever experience a PRIMARY contest let alone UNDERSTAND how fundamental it is to the process.

All they can say is ..."drop out" or any version similar to that.

You FIGHT girl BECAUSE what is NOT understood by those who counsel you to drop out is that the FIGHT hasn't even begun yet.

You think that a SMILE AND A SPEECH will carry the ball for the next 4 years.

Yeah, YOU go to PUTIN with a SMILE AND A SPEECH and see how far you get.

YOU work to control this on the brink if not over the top economy with a SPEECH AND A SMILE and "HOPE" and see
WHAT THAT GETS YOU.


I pray you prevail because we cannot AFFORD a MOMENT of wasted time HOPING THAT A SMILE AND A SPEECH AND A CHANGE will help repair the USA.

SO YOU STAY IN THE FIGHT. YOU MAKE IT A FIGHT. And let the children who counsel "quit" BEGIN TO LEARN THAT BEING A QUITTER GETS NO ONE A DARN THING that they expect to get during the next 4 years.

Except it will get them and, unfortunately, us...Grandpa.

So fight on girl. And teach the QUITTERS A LESSON.

Posted by: jatox | May 2, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

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OBAMA HAS ALREADY WON !

...it doesn't matter about Indiana or North Carolina. Obama has already won. Hillary can win every primary that's left by 70%....and Obama still leads. He's won.

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DELEGATE CALCULATOR:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.counter/index.html


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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

come on, hillary fans....I know you're supposed to be uneducated...but you can do it....do the math...figure it out...your candidate lost.

OR JUST KEEP REPEATING & SCREAMIN@!#%#%^#^^@$^!!!!$$!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hillary's lost

Obama won

It's over, end of story.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Axelrod has done a great job of creating Obama's public image, managing the press, and trying to prevent the truth about Obama from coming out, but its simply impossible in a web based world.

Obama's arrogance and inexperience, his 20 year association with his "Black Liberation Theology" Church, his far-left voting record and radical friends, his history of hard drug abuse, his attacks on both Bill and Hillary Clinton, and the overall lack of character and judgment that those things show have doomed him.

The smartest thing Obama can do now is drop out as quickly as possible, go back to the Senate, and develop a real track record of doing the things that he claims to be capable of doing but never has.

Obama has burned his bridges with mainstream America very badly.

He may never be able to recover.

One thing is for sure.

If he continues to press forward he will only create disaster for himself and for the Democratic Party.

He needs to drop out now.

The only question is if he will be smart enough to do so.

My bet is that he won't be.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

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OBAMA HAS ALREADY WON !

...it doesn't matter about Indiana or North Carolina. Obama has already won. Hillary can win every primary that's left by 70%....and Obama still leads. He's won.

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DELEGATE CALCULATOR:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.counter/index.html


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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the old bag will do us all a favor and have a stroke.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 8:28 PM | Report abuse

that's "irrelevant".....and you're right.
Hillary's the pro-war choice.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

"Has anyone stopped to think--with Hillary constantly posing slamming drinks back with "the boys"--what message she is sending to young people, ie., you have to drink to be popular?

And what "intern-friendly" Bill back in the White House would do to efforts to promote abstinence, or even responsible sex, among teenagers?"

IRRELEVENT ! HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR, AND THE NEOCONS ARE SUPPORTING HER.

END OF STORY.

OBAMA !

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Great article! She is working hard, because she has a great work ethic (unlike her opponent). It was also great to see the Indy Star endorse her today! May 6th is going to be a great day! Obama will probably be watching the returns on his boat in the Great Lakes of Oregon! ;-P

Posted by: Einstein | May 2, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone stopped to think--with Barack constantly posing smoking cigarettes back with "the boys"--what message he is sending to young people, ie., you have to smoke to be popular?

And what "anti-proud" Michele in the White House would do to efforts to promote patriotism, or even racial harmony, among Americans?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

People who run for public office are Politicians, with all the good and not-so-good that goes with the title. Even the best start out with high ideals and quickly learn that there is a job description for politicians and that ideals sometimes get a little beat up in the process for EVERYONE. You must first be ego-centric enough to believe that you can convince millions of people you don't know to vote for you, and that you deserve those votes. Then you must be willing to have every nook and cranny of your life available for scrutiny. If you're lucky, the'll just attack your pastor...not so lucky, then they'll humiliate you with your husband's ( not your) betrayals in front of the entire world. Then you have to be willing to subject yourself to people who write on opinion sites like this one who do not rely on facts but pre-conceived ideas and speculation and other people's "gossip". We have the President that we have now because of those of you who really don't care enough about what happens to actually look at all the information from reliable sources,about all of the candidates and then make a truly well-informed decision. You just want another place to vent and rant ....It doesn't matter to me who any of you vote for, you will ultimately give us the President that YOU deserve....

Posted by: Pam | May 2, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

In spite of what Obama thinks, even white stupid bitter rednecks that Believe in God, loves this Nation, support the second Amendment, Article IV Section IV against Invasion, and the rule of Law, know this much: When you take money out of your wallet and lay that money down for the same cause, week after week, month after month, year after year, for 20 years...you HAVE endorsed and believe in the Message and you have most assuredly endorsed the MESSENGER.

For 20 years Obama has supported Reverend Wright and his Radical American Hating Racist Paranoid message, but now that he wants to be President he throws the man under the bus alone with his Grandmother. The question is just how bitter is Obama at whites, and what kind of man is he that is seeks to be President? It seems that with Obama Bull Sh-t Talks and Truth, Decently, Honestly and Character walks!

Posted by: Black Saint | May 2, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

"I live in Wyoming where there are hardly any "Negroes".."


just more Bull sh!t from the Clinton supporters...

"negros"......give me a break !

(do you really think that you fool anyone? do you?........you guys are so artless)


"um...I am an African American vegetarian lesbian transvestite who's against Obama because....blah, blah, blah..."

maybe, if you gave your real reasons that you are against Obama...well, just maybe someone would agree with you, instead of this laughable bull sh!t.

No wonder the Iraq invasion ended so badly...given the intelligence of those who pushed for it...people like yourself.

again: get a life....or better yet, get a brain.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone stopped to think--with Hillary constantly posing slamming drinks back with "the boys"--what message she is sending to young people, ie., you have to drink to be popular?

And what "intern-friendly" Bill back in the White House would do to efforts to promote abstinence, or even responsible sex, among teenagers?

Posted by: martin edwin andersen | May 2, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

God father:

Your comments indicate you may be about as dumb as a brick. You and JakeD.

The reason no one asks you 3 questions is because they are stupid questions.

The delegate count is all that matters.

Not rigged-up popular vote, not "big" states, not Wright, not Bill.

Posted by: michael4 | May 2, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Bill and Hill are of a team. The team had led this nation through the best years in American history


....so electing Billary is going to turn back the clock? Gas will be $1.43 a gallon? ...and we won't be in two wars (one of which Hillary voted for), and be losing both of them?

Get a life (or a brain). Bill Clinton happened to be President when the U.S. was experiencing a Tech bubble...the only credit he deserves is that he didn't screw it up...nothing more.

and regards the Democratic Party..the Clinton's divisive politics ended up giving the Congress to the Republicans...and all that followed.

Ultimately, were they good for America? No.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I live in Wyoming where there are hardly any "Negroes" and we say about known drug users or sellers, "They are a bad element".
Does every thing have to be racial? And before the rant starts, My son-in-law is African American. My 2 grandchildren are African American (bi-racial). My best friend of 46 years was African American and Godmother to my children (She died last year) I am sick of hearing that anyone who does not vote for Barack Obama is a racist. I personally think he's an inexperienced, egotistical charlatan that has more odious connections that John Gotti. And the other thing is how quickly he threw his self-described Pastor, friend & spiritual mentor under the bus. I admired Mr. Obama more for refusing to disown Reverend Wright initially. I may not agree with everything Reverend Wright says but I respect his right to say it. Overnight, "The Un-Politician" turned into the very thing he says he's not: just another politician doing anything to get elected. Do the African America supporters of Mr. Obama think this was the right thing to do? I can't believe that they are not bothered by it.

Posted by: KC Independant | May 2, 2008 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Is Obama himself posting on this thread? Why I see his wet dream announced all over?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Those who keep bad mouthing Clinton by calling her Billary cannot ignore the fact that Bill and Hill are of a team. The team had led this nation through the best years in American history. This is a fact indisputable. Electing Hillary is restoring the leadership that had proven to work best for America, and she will strengthen that leadership.

Obama and his Chicago God father had presided the worse period in Illinois history. He just contribute to make it worse.

Posted by: God Father | May 2, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Surprised WaPo would use the word 'element' like that in headline. One of the prime code words for negroes in the 1950s in the northeast. eg: that neighborhood has a bad element.

Posted by: Jesse Trent | May 2, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

It means so much to all of us to hear a good article about Hillary. And I am
thrilled that so many people are meeting her, and her family, and talking to them. You are the people
that will make her a success, so let's do it! Go Hillary.

Posted by: Fannie | May 2, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA BRAGS ABOUT BUYING AND USING COCAINE IN HIS BOOKS.

LET ME REPEAT THAT.

OBAMA BRAGS ABOUT BUYING AND USING COCAINE IN HIS BOOKS.

HE DIDN'T JUST "TRY IT"

HE DID IT EVERY CHANCE HE GOT.

THAT MAKES HIM UNELECTABLE.

THE WORDS CAME RIGHT OUT OF HIS MOUTH.

THE COKE WENT RIGHT UP HIS NOSE.

THAT MAKES HIM UNELECTABLE.

ITS HIS OWN FAULT.

OBAMA HARD DRUG HISTORY MAKES HIM UNELECTABLE!!!!


Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone stopped to think that, with Hillary constantly posing slamming drinks back with "the boys," what message she is sending to young people, ie., you have to drink to be popular?

Posted by: martin edwin andersen | May 2, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

DISPATCHES FROM THE GROUND WAR...

DRUDGE IS REPORTING A REAL "FIX"--EX-CLINTON SHILL STEPHANOPOULOS TO HOST HILLARY "TOWN HALL"(APPARENTLY HE DID NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FULLY PUT HIS POLITICAL BIASES ON PARADE DURING THE PHILADELPHIA DEBATE, OR DID HE?) ...

HILLARY 'TOWN HALL' TO BE HOSTED BY EX-CLINTON STAFFER STEPHANOPOULOS
Thu May 01 2008 17:25:20 ET

Just hours before the Indiana and North Carolina presidential primaries, ABCNEWS has offered to air a 'town hall' meeting with Hillary Clinton -- to be hosted by former Clinton staffer George Stephanopoulos!

Embracing and racing through a brave new era of journalism, it is not clear if ABCNEWS will inform viewers of Stephanopoulos's past employment.

Stephanopoulos helped run Mr. Clinton's first presidential election campaign and acted as his press secretary and advisor on policy and strategy before joining ABC NEWS.

An executive at a rival network mocked, "We look forward to ABC holding the next town hall meeting with President Bush, hosted by Karl Rove!"

ABC will air the hour-long Hillary forum live from Indianapolis on Sunday.

"George has interviewed all the candidates time and time again and has put tough but fair questions to each," said a network spokesman. "Expect the same on Sunday."

The network hit controversy last month over the decision to allow Bill Clinton's former press secretary to moderate a debate between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama -- without any disclaimer.

Obama is scheduled to appear on NBC'S MEET THE PRESS, where he is expected to receive a traditional grilling by host Tim Russert.

Developing...


Posted by: martin edwin andersen | May 2, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Countdown to Victory

REAL CLEAR POLITICE

287 to 2025 or 1738 OBAMA vs 425 Clinto
408 Elected in 4 Quam tonight
279 Supers with 60 not selested
687 Total delegates remai

INDY NEWS ALL OVER THIS
CLINTON SELLS OUT VALPORASO, INDIANA DEFENSE INDUSTRY TO RED CHINA over Gov. Bayh camplaints memo shows

What Clinton never includes in the oft-repeated tale is the role that prominent Democrats played in selling the company and its technology to the Chinese. She never mentions that big-time Democratic contributor George Soros helped put together the deal to sell the company or that the sale was approved by her husband's administration.

Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., and Rep. Pete Visclosky, D-Ind., said the move would leave the United States without a significant domestic source of rare-earth magnets used in smart bombs. The Valparaiso plant made about 80 percent of the magnets bought by the Pentagon, they said.

The Clinton administration didn't block the move

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

I bet he lives Carmel

thats a nice place

For Joe Andrews

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Joe has a house in Indy

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

McCain

ADMITS BLOOD FOR OIL

poor soldiers

Bomb bombbombbomb bomb bomb Iran

McCain

ADMITS BLOOD FOR OIL

poor soldiers

Bomb bombbombbomb bomb bomb Iran

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I am so sick and tired of the Clintons. Whenever somebody, who the Clinton campaign thought they had in their pocket, decides to switch their support to Obama...out they come with the badmouthing. Now, it's "well....Joe Andrews isn't REALLY from Indiana." Good grief! It makes you wonder about her supporters...are they afraid of what the Clintons will smear them with if they switch.

At least SOMEBODY in the media gave us the REST OF THE STORY......
http://newsbusters.org/static/2008/05/2008-05-01MSNBCAndrew.wmv

Posted by: Joyce | May 2, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

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Hillary's demographics favor the uneducated


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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

McCain

ADMITS BLOOD FOR OIL

poor soldiers
McCain

ADMITS BLOOD FOR OIL

poor soldiers

Bomb bombbombbomb bomb bomb Iran


Bomb bombbombbomb bomb bomb Iran

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:48 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA BRAGS ABOUT BUYING AND USING COCAINE .......LET ME REPEAT THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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AND WE DO TOO!! WE DO EVERYTHING BARACK DOES AND TELLS US BECAUSE OUR BRAINS HAVE BEEN DAMAGED BY REPEATED INJECTIONS OF KOOLAID!!!

We just bought and used coaine, just like our saviour, Obama, Nananananana!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rabid Obamatards

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

McCain

ADMITS BLOOD FOR OIL

poor soldiers

Bomb bombbombbomb bomb bomb Iran

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

McCain

ADMITS BLOOD FOR OIL

poor soldiers

McCain
McCain

ADMITS BLOOD FOR OIL

poor soldiers
McCain
McCain

ADMITS BLOOD FOR OIL

poor soldiers


ADMITS BLOOD FOR OIL

poor soldiers

ADMITS BLOOD FOR OIL

poor soldiers

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:45 PM | Report abuse

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OBAMA HAS ALREADY WON !

...it doesn't matter about Indiana or North Carolina. Obama has already won. Hillary can win every primary that's left by 70%....and Obama still leads. He's won.

.

DELEGATE CALCULATOR:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.counter/index.html


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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:44 PM | Report abuse

McCain

ADMITS BLOOD FOR OIL

poor soldiers

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters attacks on Clinton won't save their candidate.

Obama's toast because of what Obama's said and done.

His own words, his own choices of church, friends and advisors, and his own repeated abuse of hard drugs have made unelectable.

Obama isn't going to be the president.

Its his own fault.

Nothing he can say or do can change that.

His supporters only make things worse by their actions.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

In April 2006 the judge in the case dismissed all charges against Hillary Clinton, for lack of evidence and due to a California law that broadly protects political activities. Paul filed an appeal of the decision to dismiss her from the case. A hearing was held on September 7, 2007; on October 16, 2007, the appeal was denied by California's Second District Court of Appeal, which upheld the lower court's opinion and said that Hillary Clinton could recoup her legal costs. After the ruling, Paul said he would consider a further appeal to the Supreme Court of California. Most but not all of the charges against President Clinton have also been dismissed by the court, on procedural grounds.

Come on Obamatard, you can do better than this. Posting about a case that doesn't even involve Hillary anymore. One that was ruled in her favor? Pathetic!

Posted by: Tard Buster | May 2, 2008 7:43 PM | Report abuse

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OBAMA HAS ALREADY WON !

Sorry, but it doesn't matter about Indianna or North Carolina. Obama has already won.

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DELEGATE CALCULATOR:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.counter/index.html


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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

RED CHINA
CLINTON
PLANT CLOSINGS
VALPAAISO IN

86% of magnets in SMART BOMBS SHIPPED TO RED CHINA

What Clinton never includes in the oft-repeated tale is the role that prominent Democrats played in selling the company and its technology to the Chinese. She never mentions that big-time Democratic contributor George Soros helped put together the deal to sell the company or that the sale was approved by her husband's administration.

Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., and Rep. Pete Visclosky, D-Ind., said the move would leave the United States without a significant domestic source of rare-earth magnets used in smart bombs. The Valparaiso plant made about 80 percent of the magnets bought by the Pentagon, they said.

The Clinton administration didn't block the move

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA BRAGS ABOUT BUYING AND USING COCAINE .......LET ME REPEAT THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hillary's demographics favor the uneducated

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

RED CHINA
CLINTON
PLANT CLOSINGS
VALPORASO IN

86% of magnets in SMART BOMBS SHIPPED TO RED CHINA

What Clinton never includes in the oft-repeated tale is the role that prominent Democrats played in selling the company and its technology to the Chinese. She never mentions that big-time Democratic contributor George Soros helped put together the deal to sell the company or that the sale was approved by her husband's administration.

Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., and Rep. Pete Visclosky, D-Ind., said the move would leave the United States without a significant domestic source of rare-earth magnets used in smart bombs. The Valparaiso plant made about 80 percent of the magnets bought by the Pentagon, they said.

The Clinton administration didn't block the move

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

"The anti-semitic slurs used by Obama supporters prove that they are bigots"


O B A M A . = . S H A L O M

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Columbia Free Trade by damed

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse


OBAMA BRAGS ABOUT BUYING AND USING COCAINE IN HIS BOOKS.

LET ME REPEAT THAT.

OBAMA BRAGS ABOUT BUYING AND USING COCAINE IN HIS BOOKS.

HE DIDN'T JUST "TRY IT"

HE DID IT EVERY CHANCE HE GOT.

THAT MAKES HIM UNELECTABLE.

THE WORDS CAME RIGHT OUT OF HIS MOUTH.

THE COKE WENT RIGHT UP HIS NOSE.

THAT MAKES HIM UNELECTABLE.

ITS HIS OWN FAULT.

OBAMA HARD DRUG HISTORY MAKES HIM UNELECTABLE!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Hi guys, it's me! Mark Penn!

Since leaving the Hillary campaign, I've been busy hacking washingtonpost.com to post mindless pro-Hillary drivel on "The Trail".

Hope you enjoyed it!

Posted by: markpenn | May 2, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

CARE FOR BLACKS AND MARXISTS?

VOTE OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!

The Uneducated

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA HAS ALREADY WON !

Sorry, but it doesn't matter about Indianna or North Carolina. Obama has already won.

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DELEGATE CALCULATOR:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.counter/index.html


Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Joe Andrew made the best statements I have read the whole the campain.

Thank you Joe

Victory 286 Delegates to 2025

Go IU for OBAMA
Go PURDUE FOR OBAMA

GO BALL STATE

GO NORTE DAME and those Chicago Students

Go OBAMA

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

The anti-semitic slurs used by Obama supporters prove that they are bigots, just like Obama and Rev. Wright.

Obama is unelectable.

Attacking the Jews isn't going to solve your problem.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

O B A M A . = . S H A L O M

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

IT AIN'T OVER

GOD BLESS AMERICA

AND

PRESIDENT CLINTON (II)

DO IT INDIANA AND NORTH CAROLINA! WE ARE ALL COUNTING ON YOU TO SAVE AMERICA FROM THE OBAMA AGENDA.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, I just read this article again. Is there a single paragraph that could be written to be more adoringly pro-Clinton? Because I sure don't see one.

Posted by: davestickler | May 2, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

"Well, whoever you are, you are disrupting any kind of rational discussion about any of these candidates. Perhaps that is your purpose."


Yep, that's the purpose. It's done by the neocons for Hillary, who are afraid of Obama, because he won't give them the wars that they want. First they wanted Bush, now they want Hillary.
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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

INDIANA AIN't NO OHIO

go OGAMA

West Lafayete Boilermaker

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:33 PM | Report abuse

"WE IS BE VOTIN' FO BARACK!"

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The Uneducated and the Racists.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

"I IS BE VOTIN' FO BARACK"

JESSE "Hymietown" JACKSON

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Hillary's demographics favor the uneducated and the racists.
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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Excuse me, but was this piece actually published in the Washington Post? Because this isn't journalism; it's hackery.

It's preposterous to suggest that her gas tax proposal was about her determination to do the right thing. Nobody with economic advisers has any excuse for saying that a temporary elimination of the gas tax would be good policy. No, this is about her willingness to ignore expert advice on policy the moment political points come into play. Not unlike how she didn't read the NIE, you might say.

The media has really swung to Hillary. Witness, for example, how Obama's bowling score was headline news, but it hardly made the papers that Hillary wasn't confident in her ability to pump her own gas after 15 years of having someone else drive for her. Witness how the media interrogates Obama about Farrakhan's endorsement -- without any implication of Obama endorsing Farrakhan back -- yet ignores that Clinton's campaign chair in Pennsylvania, Ed Rendell, was directly and glowingly complimentary of Farrakhan, or that Bill Clinton has, in the past, spoken warmly of the Million Man March and many of the things Farrakhan has done.

Combine that with the media's creation of the impression that the race is still wide open when Obama will surely end up with more pledged delegates, and when superdelegates have basically indicated that they'll side with the pledged delegate leader.

The point is that the media is having a field day with this election. I won't say that it's conscious, but, on some level, the media desperately wants good stories, and this election has been one so far. Maybe this election would wrap up if the media weren't so darn intent on stretching it out.

It's not that they love Hillary. They just love this election, and they need Hillary to do well in order to keep covering it.

Posted by: davestickler | May 2, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Hillary can only win by default. OBama has the MAJORITY of his fellow Democratic Senators in Congress (male andfemale)supporting HIM. They are the ones who know hillary best, working beside her every day and watching the way she panders, lies, twists the facts, and plays countless power-games. Only the common voters are gullible enough to not see through her, because she says what they want to hear. Never again can Americans complain that politicians and lawyers are crooked, if they vote her into office, they have shot themselves in the foot. (I am a lawyer.)

Posted by: tony | May 2, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Well, after posting my own comment, I made the mistake of reading ALL of the others. Good Lord, People. Get a grip.
Well, it must be some kind of beserking. No common sense? No discussion. Only rants and rants and rants.
Well, whoever you are, you are disrupting any kind of rational discussion about any of these candidates. Perhaps that is your purpose.

Posted by: cms@cablespeed.com | May 2, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Yes, we are fervent in our support and belief that Hillary Clinton will fight for our rights as she selflessly fights for her voice to be heard and counted among all the peoples! I place my faith in her leadership, sound judgment and intelligent response to the needs of us all. She is to be admired and immulated for her strong spirit and faith.
We need what she will bring to our country!
God Bless Hillary Clinton!!!!!

Posted by: Angela | May 2, 2008 7:31 PM | Report abuse

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OBAMA'S ALREADY WON !

Scream, throw a tantrum, blog all night,
But the facts are: that Obama has already won.

Don't believe me?
...go on the Delegate Calculator, and punch in the numbers

Let Hillary win by 70%, in EVERY remaining primary (even North Carolina....and that ain't going to happen..she's never won by 70%)

But do it anyway....let her win EVERY PRIMARY that remains in this race

(and there's no way she's going to win by 70%, and no way she's going to win North Carolina)

....but do it anyway.....just for fun...and what do you find out?

OBAMA IS STILL AHEAD!

Do it ! ....or just keep throwing a tantrum

OBAMA HAS ALREADY WON !

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DELEGATE CALCULATOR:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.counter/index.html

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I IS BE VOTIN' FO BARACK

JESSE "Hymietown" JACKSON

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:30 PM | Report abuse

"I IS BE VOTIN' FO BARACK!"

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Hillary's demographics favor the uneducated and the racists.
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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

ITS OVER

GOD BLESS AMERICA

AND

PRESIDENT OBAMA

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

CARE FOR RACISTS AND BLACK SUPREMACISTS?

VOTE OBAMA


CARE FOR ALL PEOPLE?

VOTE CLINTON

Real Democrats for Clinton

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Pretty strong pro-Hillary piece.

Giving her her due just before she's toast. Great campaigner but can't quite cross the finish line. Keep it up. Maybe you'll give her enough cover so that she can exit gracefully. But I think not, not her.

Oh well, on to PR, unless about 100 supers announce for BHO before then (or well over 200 go for HRC).

You may not like it, but it's President Barack Obama, number 44.

Make it so. Then, make him keep his promises and make this nation as great as it can be and has been.

Posted by: Harry, Los Angeles, CA | May 2, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Too bad she left Arkansas maybe in would not be in

in Walmarts Control


naaaaaaaaa

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

O B A M A . = . S H A L O M

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Hillary IS in her element. Does anyone remember her early years as the wife of the Gov. of Arkansas when she made endless trips all over that little state getting to know all the people and their concerns?
Does anyone remember that she still remembers these people by name and place and town?
Does anyone remember how she brought them relief? How she developed ideas that WORKED to help the people with their problems?
Many have always claimed that Bill was the one who "loved" the people, but, you know what: it just may be, that Hillary loves the people more.

Posted by: cms@cablespeed.com | May 2, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Clinton can enjoy the limelife while she can because the Clinton party will be over when the fat lady sings...It's over now it's time for a change.

Obama for President

Posted by: Jacie | May 2, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I IS BE VOTIN' FO BARACK!

LOUIS FARRACAN'T

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

CHEAP CIGS

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

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...............The 44th President of the United States

......................President Barack Obama

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

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CARE FOR BLACKS, WHITES, AND PEACE?

VOTE OBAMA.

CARE FOR LATINOS, JEWISH PEOPLE, ASIANS?

VOTE HILLARY.
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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

me TOOO I am voting clint on

Shaun Hannuty

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

CARE FOR BLACKS AND MARXISTS?

VOTE OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!


Hillary's demographics favor the uneducated

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

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ARE WEST VIRGINIA AND KENTUCKY ACTUALLY STATES?

WHO KNEW?
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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Vote

CLINTON I AM

Bill O'Really

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

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.....OBAMA'S CROWD: IVY LEAGUE STUFF
.....HILLARY'S CROWD: COMMUNITY COLLEGE STUFF


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by neocons for Hillary

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

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.....OBAMA'S CROWD: IVY LEAGUE STUFF
.....HILLARY'S CROWD: COMMUNITY COLLEGE STUFF
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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

CARE FOR BLACKS AND MARXISTS?

VOTE OBAMA.

CARE FOR ALL PEOPLE?

VOTE HILLARY.
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by Democrats for Clinton

Posted by: Tard Buster | May 2, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Countdown to Victory

REAL CLEAR POLITICE

287 to 2025 or 1738 OBAMA vs 425 Clinto
408 Elected in 4 Quam tonight
279 Supers with 60 not selested
687 Total delegates remai

INDY NEWS ALL OVER THIS
CLINTON SELLS OUT VALPORASO, INDIANA DEFENSE INDUSTRY TO RED CHINA over Gov. Bayh camplaints memo shows

What Clinton never includes in the oft-repeated tale is the role that prominent Democrats played in selling the company and its technology to the Chinese. She never mentions that big-time Democratic contributor George Soros helped put together the deal to sell the company or that the sale was approved by her husband's administration.

Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., and Rep. Pete Visclosky, D-Ind., said the move would leave the United States without a significant domestic source of rare-earth magnets used in smart bombs. The Valparaiso plant made about 80 percent of the magnets bought by the Pentagon, they said.

The Clinton administration didn't block the move

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

The Clinton and O'Reilly interview was entertaining, and amazingly, all the 'buzz'.. Way to go O'Reilly for maintaining a stimulating but gracious demeaner with an equally stimulating and gracious candidate.

Quality and class act!

Posted by: thinktank | May 2, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

IN CAPS 'CAUSE I'M MAD AND I SCREAM AND REPEAT OVER AND OVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Hillary's demographics favor the uneducated
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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

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ARE WEST VIRGINIA AND KENTUCKY ACTUALLY STATES?

WHO KNEW?
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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

God Protects America from Hillary Clinton.

She must denounce, reject and repudiate herself for her involvement in the Whitewater scandal
The White House travel office controversy,
The White House FBI files controversy

Mrs Clinton is guilty by association of the power of abuse in the The Lewinsky scandal by Husband Bill Clinton.

She choose to stay and sleep with this shamless criminal who abuseed of his power against a citizen younger that his daughter.
Mrs. Clinton must denounce, reject and repudiate publically Mr. Clinton


Posted by: alma ludivina | May 2, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

"OBAMA BRAGS ABOUT BUYING AND USING COCAINE!!!!!!!!!!!!... "
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Hillary's demographics favor the uneducated

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

BIG INDY NEWS

CLINTON SELLS OUT INDIaNA DEFENSE INDUSTRY TO RED CHINA

What Clinton never includes in the oft-repeated tale is the role that prominent Democrats played in selling the company and its technology to the Chinese. She never mentions that big-time Democratic contributor George Soros helped put together the deal to sell the company or that the sale was approved by her husband's administration.
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Really? You mean the same George Soros that now supports Obama? Also, Hillary Clinton is running for president, not Bill.

Posted by: Tard Buster | May 2, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

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.....OBAMA => EARTH
.....HILLARY, KERRY, EDWARDS => END OF EARTH
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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA BRAGS ABOUT BUYING AND USING COCAINE IN HIS BOOKS.

LET ME REPEAT THAT.

OBAMA BRAGS ABOUT BUYING AND USING COCAINE IN HIS BOOKS.

HE DIDN'T JUST "TRY IT"

HE DID IT EVERY CHANCE HE GOT.

THAT MAKES HIM UNELECTABLE.

THE WORDS CAME RIGHT OUT OF HIS MOUTH.

THE COKE WENT RIGHT UP HIS NOSE.

THAT MAKES HIM UNELECTABLE.

ITS HIS OWN FAULT.

OBAMA HARD DRUG HISTORY MAKES HIM UNELECTABLE!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:14 PM | Report abuse

These comments from Obama supporters are OBNOXIOUS! Go Hillary

I am betting on the filly to win it!

Posted by: Dallas | May 2, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

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HILLARY, KERRY, EDWARD VOTE FOR WAR: 7,000 DEAD.

WISH THOSE 7,000 WERE THEIR PEOPLE
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yep, that's why I'm voting for Obama

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:13 PM | Report abuse

o b a m a . = . s h a l o m

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

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HILLARY, KERRY, EDWARD VOTE FOR WAR: 7,000 DEAD.

WISH THOSE 7,000 WERE THEIR PEOPLE
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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

BIG INDY NEWS

CLINTON SELLS OUT INDIaNA DEFENSE INDUSTRY TO RED CHINA

What Clinton never includes in the oft-repeated tale is the role that prominent Democrats played in selling the company and its technology to the Chinese. She never mentions that big-time Democratic contributor George Soros helped put together the deal to sell the company or that the sale was approved by her husband's administration.

Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., and Rep. Pete Visclosky, D-Ind., said the move would leave the United States without a significant domestic source of rare-earth magnets used in smart bombs. The Valparaiso plant made about 80 percent of the magnets bought by the Pentagon, they said.

The Clinton administration didn't block the move

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

We've got a real problem on these W Post blogs.

Demented and angry comments are written by an anti Clinton Obama supporter, but penned to look like Clintonites are the hate mongers instead of the culprit.

Posted by: change you can trust | May 2, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

We've got a real problem on these W Post blogs.

Demented and angry comments are written by an anti Clinton Obama supporter, but penned to look like Clintonites are the hate mongers instead of the culprit.

Posted by: change you can trust | May 2, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

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CARE FOR BLACKS, WHITES, AND PEACE?

VOTE OBAMA.

CARE FOR LATINOS, JEWISH PEOPLE, ASIANS?

VOTE HILLARY.
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by Neocons for Clinton

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Racist!!!!

Burn in hell you and your reverend wright!

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

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o b a m a . = . s h a l o m

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Clinton SELLS OUT INDINA DEFENSE INDUSTRY TO RED CHINA

What Clinton never includes in the oft-repeated tale is the role that prominent Democrats played in selling the company and its technology to the Chinese. She never mentions that big-time Democratic contributor George Soros helped put together the deal to sell the company or that the sale was approved by her husband's administration.

Sen. Evan Bayh, D-Ind., and Rep. Pete Visclosky, D-Ind., said the move would leave the United States without a significant domestic source of rare-earth magnets used in smart bombs. The Valparaiso plant made about 80 percent of the magnets bought by the Pentagon, they said.

The Clinton administration didn't block the move

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

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CARE FOR BLACKS, WHITES, AND PEACE?

VOTE OBAMA.

CARE FOR LATINOS, JEWISH PEOPLE, ASIANS?

VOTE HILLARY.
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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

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ONLY ASIANS, LATINOS AND JEWISH PEOPLE SHOULD BE SENT TO WAR. THAT WILL TEACH THEM.
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by Clinton Supporters

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Re: Translations of above comments for HillBilly's lower IQ followers:

Because (?!):
- She's smarter than Obama
(more seasoned political insider)

- She is more electable?
(more pandering to middle class and blue collar workers - like GW Bush - the compassionate conservative. Don't be fooled again.)

- She's a fighter?
(for $109 million in side revenue, I'd fight too. She's a fighter at ALL costs, self interest first.)

- Middle class Americans connects to her?
(See number one above. Connects must mean "fall prey more easily.")

- She offers real solutions?
For $109 million she could probably personally give each voter a bigger boost than the "Gas Holiday.") I'm not seeing the solutions her. Just more pandering.

- She ready to lead?
(G.W.Bush said he was too - guess he forgot. She's leads with the interests of her finacial partners and special interests.)

- She appeals to "Reagan Democrats" and Independents?
(If that is true, there must not be many left. Reagan would roll over if he read that.)

- She appeals to a broader electorate?
(If any of this is true, than I feel sorrier for state of America than I ever have. Someone help us if we have to deal with Clintonian's back in the white house.)

Posted by: DonJulio | May 2, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA'S ROCKS

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I like Hillary's element better than Barack's. Hers is out meeting with and listening to the people, his is meeting with his racist Anti-American pastor. I think I'll vote for her!

Posted by: Typical White Person | May 2, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

How we got stuck with 8 years of Bush...

"We must stop the counting" - Dick Cheney, Antonin Scalia, Howard Baker, Joe Andrew

Posted by: ElliotNC | May 2, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

To the anonymous who said G*d PR. Do you work for Rev. Wright?

You are a sad person and a coward for not putting your real name!

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

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ONLY ASIANS, LATINOS AND JEWISH PEOPLE SHOULD BE SENT TO WAR. THAT WILL TEACH THEM.
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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

".........GODDAMN PEURTO RICO"

Hillary, after the election

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Enough about the Wright crap. It does not matter what answer Obama gave, there will be some who will find something wrong with it. Get a life and move on. If you don't want vote for the man because you do not like him or you don't like his policies, then so be it. You all know that the Wright issue is a bunch of crap.

Billary followers, if I were you, I would be more concerned about my candidate wanting to nuke an entire country (Iran), lying about Bosnia sniper fire, her husband collecting substantial fees from countries that take jobs away from Americans (most notably the Colombian affair), her vote for the Iraq war that costs the life of American soldiers and innocent Iraqi civilians, and now the gas-tax vacation that will be harmful to the economy. She is no leader, she is just a stupid old gray lady who will say and do anything to get elected. She only cares about her pocketbook and she does not care a rats ass about the little person. Good luck, I hope you all sleep well at night. Oh, and don't forget the Peter Paul fraud case - there goes the integrity and honesty argument. The headline should read, McFraud in her element.

Posted by: witch | May 2, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

SUPER DELEGATES FOR SALE

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:05 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:04 PM | Report abuse

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DONATE TO HILLARY RIGHT NOW !

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PLEASE!!! ...her campaign really needs the money to pay her back the $ 5 million that she lent it before going broke.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

This just in: Obama is forming the backdrop for his November aspirations. 50 white people, 1 black person, 15 yellow people, 13 green people, 8 brown people and 55 million dumb people required.

Posted by: Dumb people required | May 2, 2008 7:02 PM | Report abuse

The Obama activists, that is, the extreme left wing of the party (MoveOn, Democracy for America, DailyKos, Keith Olbermann etc) are threatening to do to the Democratic Party what they did to us in the Connecticut Senate race. They got Ned Lamont to beat Lieberman in the primaries only to see the former get wiped out in the real race. Now, since I don't care much for Lieberman I tought that was rather cute. Big mistake. I had no idea how malicious these guys are. Their sunny fronts like Politico and MSNBC are trying to shut Hillary down. I say to all those who have been penalized for fighting tough battles. To all those who have paid their dues only to see a cute, ambitious upstart stroll in and steal the show. To all those who favor substance over style. To all those who have had to work so hard only to see the tall and young and good-looking get the credit. To all those who are sick of seeing hard earned experience get wiped out by "charisma". To all of you: MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO HILLARY RIGHT NOW.

https://contribute.hillaryclinton.com/form.html?sc=2390

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

To all those folks that continue to talk as if Obama has already won. Yes, by all means, let's talk about the math. The RULES state a candidate MUST garner a minimum of 2,024 pledged delegates. Obama has not and cannot garner the REQUIRED number of delegates without the superdelegates. The same is true for Hillary. Obama is winning at the moment. But barely. His margin of victory should he beat out Hillary will be between 1-3%. It makes me laugh out loud at those who say Hillary should drop out. Who in their right mind would drop out of this being behind by such a small margin? Perhaps Obama would since he doesn't appear to possess the staying power for a long race.

The RULES state the superdelegates can vote for whomever they see fit. The RULES state nothing about being required to vote for the candidate with the most pledged delegates. As we've seen, Obama ran up a bunch of delegates early in the race but is now being beaten by Hillary in the past two months worth of races because he's now being vetted. Had he been vetted earlier than now he certainly would not be leading in pledged delegates.

How one finishes a race is more important than how one starts a race. Think Kentucky Derby. Does it matter how a horse breaks out of the gate if the horse ends up running out of steam on the homestretch? Not really.

As for Florida and Michigan...I really wish everyone would actually read the RULES that pertain to this mess. The RULES clearly state that the Iowa caucus is not to take place any earlier than 22 days prior to the first Tuesday in February (Feb. 5). That places Iowa's caucus on Jan. 18. Hmmm....didn't they hold their caucus on Jan. 3? The RULES state the New Hampshire Primary should be no earlier than 14 days prior to the first Tuesday in February (Feb. 5) and at least 7 days past the Iowa caucus. Hmmm.....New Hampshire's primary was on Jan. 5 which puts it way past the 14 days from Feb. 5 and only two days past the Iowa caucus. The same RULES apply to Nevada and South Carolina as well. All four states were not in compliance with the RULES. Neither were Florida or Michigan but only those states have been penalized. And, by the way, the penalty for violating the RULES is to lose one-half your pledged delegates and 100% of your non-pledged delegates (superdelegates). Both Florida and Michigan were stripped of 100% of their pledged delegates in clear violation of the very RULES being cited. You can see, and if you care to read the RULES, that the rules and penalties have been arbitrarily applied and in doing so has resulted in the quite frustrating predicament we all now find ourselves in.

Posted by: EDC | May 2, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

New Obama slogan:

"HATRED WE CAN BELIEVE IN"

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA BRAGS ABOUT BUYING AND USING COCAINE IN HIS BOOKS.

LET ME REPEAT THAT.

OBAMA BRAGS ABOUT BUYING AND USING COCAINE IN HIS BOOKS.

HE DIDN'T JUST "TRY IT"

HE DID IT EVERY CHANCE HE GOT.

THAT MAKES HIM UNELECTABLE.

THE WORDS CAME RIGHT OUT OF HIS MOUTH.

THE COKE WENT RIGHT UP HIS NOSE.

THAT MAKES HIM UNELECTABLE.

ITS HIS OWN FAULT.

OBAMA IS UNELECTABLE.

ITS ALL ABOUT THE COCAINE.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Obama's message boils down to this:

Vote against the blacks: you are anti-democratic and racist.

Vote against asians, latinos, jewish people: you are doing your duty.

Vote against women: women, who? what?

Posted by: Obama and Clyburn rules | May 2, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Bush said: "I am a uniter, not a divider". So the country divided right in the middle.
Obama said: "I can transcend race and party". So the party is divided right in the middle and voters divided by race.

Posted by: God Father | May 2, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Puerto Rico was not stolen it was handed to USAA when they showed up by the pus*ys of the spaniards who didn't even fight to keep it!
PR51

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Let me get his right.

Hillary wins: California, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Ohio, Texas, Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania.

Obama wins: Wyoming, Utah, South Carolina, North Dakota, Idaho, Nebraska, Alabama, Maine, Yade, Yada, Yade, Yada. Each of these states Kerry lost by 15 POINTS OR MORE.

ARE YOU FRIGGIN KIDDING ME?!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people."

Just Words?

"God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people ... God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

Just words?

"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye."

Just words?

"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost."

Just words?

"We started the AIDS virus ... as a means of genocide against people of color."

Just words?

In a campaign appearance earlier last month, Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial."

Yes, just words.

Posted by: What a fake | May 2, 2008 6:54 PM | Report abuse

The next Governor of PR will be a Pro- Statehood Republican!!! Who is now a non-voting member of congress in the House!!! Give us one more referendum and we will crack the 50% for statehood.

PR51

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

Obama's lies disgust me.

Obama said he was for a single payer health system, but now opposes plans that cover every American.

He promised to repeal the Patriot Act, but then voted to extend it.

He promised to normalize relations with Cuba, but flip-flopped when he started running for president.

He rails against NAFTA in Ohio while his top economic advisor assures the Canadians his rhetoric is just "political positioning."

He promises to opt in to public financing if the GOP nominee does, but then breaks that pledge in real time.

He promises to withdraw from Iraq within 16 months, and now his top foreign policy adviser says that he's not relying on the plan.

At first he knew of no controversial remarks from his pastor. Then he knew it. Then he knew some but not others.

At first the "union" that brought him into this world was caused by the bridge crossing/civil rights movement in Selma which, by the way, actually happened 5 years afterwards. Long after he was born.

He flattered Kennedys by crediting them for funding his father's arrival to US when the Kennedys had nothing to do with it.

Don't even get me going over the questionnaires he has filled indicating positions he has completely contradicted during this campaign cycle.

Obama claims he doesn't take money from lobbyists. Semantics. Because about HALF of his donations come from big donors and "bundlers" who in terms of influence on campaign and favors they expect in return are not much different from lobbyists. His bundlers include partners from 18 top law firms, 21 Wall Street executives and power brokers from Fortune 500 companies. Use of bundlers was perfected by George W. Bush who established a hierarchy of "Rangers" and "Pioneers" to monitor their progress.

Obama didn't think he was experienced enough to run for President in 2004. "I am a believer in knowing what you are doing when you apply for a job. And I think that If I were to seriously consider running on a national ticket I would essentially have to start now before having served a day in the senate. Now there's some people who might be comfortable doing that but I am not one of those people."

He said he doesn't accept money from Oil lobbyists. Semantics. Obama has taken at least $263,000 from oil company executives, family members and employees since entering the presidential race last year, including $46,000 last month. At least $140,000 has come in chunks of between $1,000 and $2,300, the maximum permitted under federal law.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

WE STOLE PUERTO RICO FAIR & SQUARE !

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Well, we need to look no further than Michelle Obama's firestorm when she said, "I've never been proud of America." . . . . . . At the time, it was dismissed as misspeak. However, the demeanor in which she said it left some doubt as to whether it was truly misspeak, but most of us were willing to look the other way - after all she was new to the public stage.

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Okay, get closer to the screen, simpleton... she said "I've never been prouder of America.." It's not a mispeak, its a "I read on whatever right wing misinformation site that I go to get my news and repeat like the dullard I am" misunderstanding, m'kay?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

If PR becomes a state we would have alot more electoral votes anyway than DC!


PR51

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

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Rush Limbaugh, Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, Pat Buchanan,
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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

1) Let Hillary state that she is more experienced, more knowledgeable,and better prepared? . . and she's playing the race card. Bill Clinton plays the race card because he said, Obama's comparison of a small speech being equivalent to a U.S. Senate vote was a fairytale. And since when was being compared to Jessie Jackson such a terrible thing, unless your a Republican.

2) And last week it comes out that the Obama campaign all the way back before S. Carolina was planning ways that it could use the "race card" accusation at the first and every opportunity. From S. Carolina on, Obama's campaign has been divisive (a la Rev. Wright).

3) Rev. Wright was more than just a pastor to Obama; he was Obama's SPIRITUAL ADVISOR.

4) Let's face it, if Obama with his second-rate Health Care Plan were white, black voters would not give him a second look.

Posted by: Coldcomfort | May 2, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

"...Seems like he always blames everybody else for his dumb mistakes though. He didn't denounce Wright..."


Talk about dumb mistakes??


HILLARY VOTED FOR THE WAR !


Now 4,000 soldiers are dead, 1,000,000 Iraqis are dead, and tens of thousands of our troops are wounded for life...and we're losing the war

(that Hillary voted for).....

I'd say that's a lot more important than choosing a bad pastor.

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the objective coverage of
Hillary Clinton. It is so disheartening to
see the constant rabid and toxic remarks
that are being posted by Obama supporters.
I thought Obama was Mr Hope. I guess his
supporters did not get the memo. If you do
not like or disagree with a candidates stance
on issues it is not necessary to do a character assassination to express yourself.
No one makes comments that Obama has big
ears or probably has a small penis which
are comparable to some of the vile comments
made about Hillary on a daily basis. I think these kinds of comments just expose
the kind of person that is making them and
in the case of the Hillary haters I would
say they are people of low character.

Posted by: Linda | May 2, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

MR. OBAMA IS ALL ABOUT MR. OBAMA

Posted by: Todd | May 2, 2008 4:51 PM

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And who is Mrs. Clinton all about? The unwashed masses? I give you $109 million reasons why she has turned into a pandering phony.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Rafa says:
"Dems would have another state in their corner would be so hard to lose to Reps."

Right-
And that's why it's never going to happen for either DC or PR. The GOP will never go for it.

Admittedly PR has a lower bar, since it wouldn't require a constitutional amendment, but you all can't even crack 50% on a statehood referendum. DC at least knows what it wants even if it can't have it.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

It should read: McClinton/McBush in her element.

This Peter Paul fraud case had me thinking - the Clintons are driven to get to the White House probably to get pardons or immunity from lawsuits. Should she hypothetically win the nomination and presidency, the Peter Paul case cannot continue and will have to be stayed until the Clintons are out of office. Peter Paul might be dead by then. Remember how many of Clintons' friends, associates and workers just fell dead. If I'm Peter Paul, I would be worried for my life and that of my family.

Posted by: scary | May 2, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

. . . MICHELLE OBAMA'S WORDS NEED TO BE VIEWED WITH NEW SCRUTINY

One key to understanding Rev. Wright and Barrak Obama is to see the philosophical nuances within Obama's family. Barrak is a politician, so anything he might say needs to be view with extreme skepticism. So let's examine the words of Michelle Obama.

We know that Wright said, "God d_m America," and "The American government invented AIDS to attack black people." . . . . . . Did this world view have any agreement within the Obama family?

Well, we need to look no further than Michelle Obama's firestorm when she said, "I've never been proud of America." . . . . . . At the time, it was dismissed as misspeak. However, the demeanor in which she said it left some doubt as to whether it was truly misspeak, but most of us were willing to look the other way - after all she was new to the public stage.

Nevertheless, in light of the new revelations about Barrak Obama's pastor, mentor, and spiritual advisor for the last twenty years, Michelle's words indeed take on their old meaning. . . . . Did Michelle's really mean what she said? . . . Now with this new evidence, I believe she did.

Considering Obama's wrongful ATTACKS on Hillary about playing race cards (which she never did), I'd say that the chickens are coming home to roost.

Posted by: Coldcomfort | May 2, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, the m***f***er

Posted by: tritty | May 2, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

No beef with PR, I just think you're getting a little ahead of your self on the statehood yap. DC's closer, louder, and we all pay federal income taxes (all of us). Like I said, it's already got three electoral votes and will probably gain a vote in the house within three years (if the dems don't figure out a way to blow it). All that remains is senators and removing congress from the local decision-making process.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

That's why we need Clinton! The congress will be a Democratic one so that will help!

PR 51

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

It's hard to believe that there are people anywhere in this country that really think Clinton or Obama belong in the White House!! Fairy tales???????????

Posted by: Gene Chamblin | May 2, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I think it is about time some one gave Hillary a break. Does that mean that Obama is not the beauty queen any more? He does not have good judgement period. End of discussion... It is hard to believe all the people that are for him. And the superdels taking his money to vote for him, is bound to get out. I'm also tired of hearing that court case. The radio said Hillary's name is not on there. Obama was telling MI voters to vote for him on a Indpendent ticket so count them and you have his votes in MI see not everone knows what a crook he is. Seems like he always blames everybody else for his dumb mistakes though. He didn't denounce Wright till, Wright offended him personally. Get it? Drink some more kool-aid

Posted by: NOOBAMA | May 2, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

PUERTO RICO HAS 4,150,000 population.

Dems would have another state in their corner would be so hard to lose to Reps.

Our blood have helped you stay free be greatful to us and admire that when everybody in the world seems to hate USA we want to embrace you and be a state!

PR51

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

To Kev, And others, Yes Hillary vote to obtain the weapons of mass destruction, which Bush falsified reports concerning. Everyone in the US wanted the one responsible for 911 and the killing of the many. As did Hillary. Obama says he did NOT! Nor did Bin Laden. I also find it interesting that Obama states he did not vote for the War another false statement. When Obama was not even ae Senator at that time. So he is trying to take credit for things he has not even done and for places he has not even been at a time he was not even there. I'm a Colonel, you would not send a troop in to battle with out someone with experience it would be suicide. Hillary has the experience to lead and the toughness it will take to deal with foreign leaders while correcting this economy. Remember with experience comes wisdom!

This paper has made the write choice and a very intelligent one!

Col.K Cecil
Louisville,Ky

Posted by: Col. K Cecil | May 2, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Someone mentioned the gas tax issue. I think it will work for Clinton. I have driven through Indianapolis quite often and always fill my tank there because the price is much cheaper. Recently, the price there suddenly gets as high as anywhere else. I guess the locals will feel more pain than us.

Posted by: God Father | May 2, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

You PR's need to realize that you need congresses approval as well. Good luck with that. We can't get them to move on things and we actually elect them. Have you been paying attention to this immigration "debate" we have going on here? I know that you're citizens so it doesn't apply to you, but try telling that to the Cletuses who elect folks like Tom Tancredo. It will go over like a lead balloon. It may be a movement down there, but folks up here don't give a hoot.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

MASON:

What is your beef? Trust me Puerto Rico matters if Obama dosen't watch it Puerto Rico can put Clinton on top why? Obama might not even get 15% of the votes witch means Clinton takes them all. DC DC that is brown! Trust me Puerto Rico is also a military strategic point for USA in the war against drugs with Colombia! You need Puerto Rico + think about this Puerto Rico is a state and you will have 2 Dem senators and about 6 to 7 reps that all but maybe one will be Rep. PR51

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Hillary couldn't be bothered to read the NIE. Those in the Senate that DID read it voted AGAINST the war, by and large.

I want someone who is going to be informed on such a serious subject, not just pandering to the right because she feels she needs to "do something," even if that something harms us in the long term.... just like the stupid gas tax holiday.

Posted by: NO Hillary! | May 2, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

BILL CLINTON WILL NOT BE A GOOD PRESIDENT

Posted by: Ron | May 2, 2008 6:29 PM | Report abuse

The nimrod says:
How may electoral votes does PR have? None. DC has 3.
How many bills have passed the House to give PR's non-voting reps a vote on the floor of the house?
None? DC came a handful of US sens short of putting such a bill on the presidents desk. (He would have vetoed it, but the next president, if a DEM won't).

Sorry. You lose.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

MASON: CLINTON WILL WIN PUERTO RICO BY 20 or 25%.

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

MASON:

Also Puerto Rico has 63 delegates brotha we rae the 22nd with most delegates in the nation Puerto Rico dose matters alot. Plus we have given Blood to your country and blood dose not has a price tag!!! We want equality and we have earn it!!! Clinton supports that!!! Last poll done in Puerto Rico has the Pro-Statehood candidate Luis G Fortuno winning by 21% The pro Statehood Party in Puerto Rico is no longer a party is a movement!

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is the Strong Candidate to face Mccain.Obama is a weak man who stole all his lines and speeches.He is a empty man in a empty suit. Hillary is the only one to fix this sad and broken country.Obama is so weak he took away the debate and running scared of Senator Clinton.He can not debate on his own and always needs a telepromper in his ear with someone telling him what to say.A vote for Obama is a wasted vote.Hillary your the greatest 2008 for President Hillary Clinton

Posted by: sandra | May 2, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

Mason,

Would it be more likely that Obama has been caught in a situation that he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. By denouncing Wright too quickly would alienate black leaders and voters, which have been the key of his success. But keeping silence will allow his connection with Wright ferment in the media and affect his viability in the remaining primaries. He tried to be clever on this. Is this a more logical explanation of Obama's behavior than the hypothesis that Obama was nice to Wright because he was more humane?

Posted by: God Father | May 2, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

"I have decided I can only vote for HIllary... I would have voted for either at the end of the process..."

B.S.! YOU ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN

(and you always were)


...more neocons attacking Obama!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Billary lies & destroys those who oppose her; Obama tells the truth. I'd rather have an honest politician than 4 more years of the same kind of politics we've had under Bush. Billary is the SAME as Bush except a Democrat. She is an arrogant, pandering politician who hasn't pumped gas, bowled, or drank shots ... she's just doing that to buy your vote. Do you think you'll get payback for your vote? NO, she'll be too busy paying back all the lobbyists! WAKE UP AMERICA!

Posted by: CincyKate | May 2, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

MASON:

It was 48.1 to 46.8 With the commonwealth beating statehood. in Puerto Rico that is only a difference of 12,000 that is nothing and if you add the Green party that it is for total separation of the USA is 2.9 so the Commonwealth was beaten if you see it that way. We are not poorest Louissiana and Missisipi are and I know I may have spelled it wrong but, also Puerto Rico have served the USA since WW2 so by blood we are entitle to be a state because we have served and earned it. Puerto Rico is not brown. I will tell you I have blue eyes and white skin there are more whites and Spaniards in Puerto Rico than blacks and Indians. Check your facts we belong in the USA. We pay taxes too sir. Also you know who is a superdelegate in Puerto Rico that is backing Obama? The governor who just got indicted by a federal grand jury on 19 counts of stealing! No sir Puerto Rico has earned their star in the American flag and for that I will fight to become the 51ST state of this great country!

MASON PUERTO RICO 51ST

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I am so tired of people, esp. repukelicans, blaming Senator Clinton for this war. Folks, this war was BROUGHT ON by GWBush and co., and other suck-up Repukelicans, NOT Senator Clinton. If anyone can get us out of Iraq and put this country back on track, it is Senator Hillary Clinton. Vote for HRC in Indiana and North Carolina, West Virginia, Kentucky, Oregon and all the rest!!

Posted by: Anne | May 2, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the Anti-Christ in every possible way. Your vote for him is the eternal doom for America!

Posted by: Viking | May 2, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I have decided I can only vote for HIllary... I would have voted for either at the end of the process... BUT THAT CHANGED THIS WEEK WITH WRIGHT"S DISPLAY AT THE NATIONAL PRESS CLUB... Obama's tolerance for radical, antiamerican people like Ayers and Wright leaves me very very unsettled, I have to believe that he agrees with those views and is sympathetic to them, or else he would not have had them within his inner circle.

And b/c I don't know enough about what Obama really thinks, he started runnung for president 1 year after he got to the Senate, I am left to assess him by his associations, and this associations with people like Ayers, Wright, Resko,I cannot in good conscience for the safety of my friends and family EVER vote for obama.

I CANNOT EVER vote for Obama...for me its Hillary or Mccain.

Posted by: an independent voter | May 2, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

to the nimrod who said puerto rico does not matter and dc does: PR has 63 delegates; DC has 12. Um - seems like PR is far more important in the nominating process.

Posted by: PRhas63Delegates | May 2, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

I have just finished reading the comments from newspaper reading people. One cannot help being impressed by the depth of dislike that each side of the party has for the other. The middle is disappearing in this contest. And it is not over issues. It is where someone goes to church, and about who lives in your neighborhood, and who serves on some charity board with you. The Democrats deserve to lose if this is how the Democrats want to select a candidate. We are going to be stuck with a 72 year old Republican who must govern with the support of his party. Maybe that is not too bad an idea; at least he is not a Clinton!

Posted by: sooner1 | May 2, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

This article encapsulates why Hillary Clinton should be our next president. When the going gets tough, she doesn't go on vacation (to Crawford, the USVI or wherever), she just works harder. We need someone who will be tireless in solving the problems we face.

Posted by: BJWL | May 2, 2008 6:17 PM | Report abuse

God Father -
Which would be why Obama then pulled him under the bus with him.

No good deed goes unpunished, eh? It would have been much easier to BHO to say, "Yep. He's nuts. I won't talk with him any more," six weeks agao but he didn't. He tried to maintain a relationship with someone who had been an important person in his life. It was exceedingly human, and it's come back to bite him because the old man, like old men eveywhere, really thinks that the whippersnappers need to hear what they have to say.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

The most important lesson we learnt from Wrightgate is not what Rev Wright said in his church, it is not how Obama tries to disentangle himself with Wright either. It is what Wright's comment about Obama: "He is a politician, and he does what politicians do". This comes from a man whom consider Obama as a son, who has been close to Obama for more than 20 years. "A Politician" is probably the worst one can get from a pastor and from man who knows Obama so well. Is this enough?

Posted by: God Father | May 2, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

the guy who posted 4000 americans killed because of hilary must be a republican trying to divide obama partisans from hillary partisans so the republicans can divide and conquer in november. I hope the guy who posted soldier + soldier + is not an obama supporter because it is a cheap shot and demeans the deaths of american soldiers. And if it is an Obama supporter why may I ask does not Obama put his money where his mouth is and support cutting off funding for the war.

Posted by: dan | May 2, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I support Senator Clinton, but if Obama wins the nomination I will support him. There is a world of difference between what these two think compared to what McCain wants to do. I'm also tired of hearing about Clinton's support of the war. Based on information available at the time, she voted what she thought was best for our country. Obama's former pastor has nothing to do with Obama's beliefs. He doesn't represent Obama in any way, so forget about it. Both Obama and Clinton's plans for our country are similar, only the way to achieve them are different. Stop slamming both of them and vote your conscience. They couldn't possibly be any worse than Bush.

Posted by: indy voter | May 2, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

For those that don't know - Google Paul vs Clinton and hold on to your shirt with what you read!! L.A., California Case #BC304174
For those of you who think this case has been thrown out - is hasn't, or is irrelevant - think again:
"In the landmark civil fraud case against Bill Clinton in Los Angeles, where the former President is charged with defrauding a Hollywood dot com millionaire to help Hillary Clinton obtain more than $1.2 million from him for her 2000 Senate campaign, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Aurelio Munoz ruled on Friday, April 25, 2008 that Hillary Clinton would not be required to testify in a sworn deposition as a material witness in the case until AFTER the November election!."
"Had Senator Clinton be forced to testify under oath, as a material witness and beneficiary of the fraud that her husband is being sued for before the Democratic Convention, her remote chances for being nominated the party candidate would have been unquestionably destroyed."
"Paul contends his case will expose "the institutional culture of corruption embraced by the Clinton leadership of the Democratic Party," which seeks to attain "unaccountable power for the Clintons at the expense of the rule of law and respect for the constitutional processes of government."
All the court documents/evidence is here: peterfpaul.com

Posted by: Mateo | May 2, 2008 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Since it's come out that the Clinton campaign has begun using illegal ex-ante voter fraud tactics in the NC primary, I'm convinced that indeed Hillary has what it takes to beat the Republicans. This is what we need: pandering on the gas tax, even though no economist will support the Clinton position, and someone who's willing to play dirty. It worked for the Republicans with George Bush, and now the Democrats have their champion. Go Hillary!

Posted by: B. | May 2, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

No black and white ticket PLEASE

Posted by: Jack | May 2, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Inevitability was once = Clinton

Posted by: Jack | May 2, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton is going to be our next President.

Posted by: Ronald | May 2, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

"Immunity victory"? The jury on SURVIVOR has the final say (just like the "electibility" argument here ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Put Hillary on SURVIVOR she will back door O'Bama with the immunity victory in his hand

Posted by: Jack | May 2, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I am writing every newspaper in Indiana that I can today. My Hoosier roots go back many generations. My grandmother was an Arterburn from Bicknell. My mother grew up with her cousin, Norman Arterburn, who was Chief Justice of the Indiana Supreme Court until the mid-1970's. My father was a Hoffman, the son of William Hoffman of Laurel. My parents were both graduates of Indiana University in Bloomington.

We, as voters, have a responsibility: to pick the most qualified candidate to lead America at a time when it faces great challenges at home and abroad. The Indianapolis Star has endorsed Hillary Rodham Clinton as that candidate, measured by her long record in public life and her thoughtful proposals to deal with America's most pressing problems. I hope that you will too.

Judith Hoffman Brock, Santa Cruz, CA

Posted by: Judith Hoffman Brock | May 2, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

ck:

No doubt that Hillary DIANE Clinton is a liar. But, is Barack HUSSEIN Obama lying about being a Christian?

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/05/02/under_fire_obama_returns_to_ba.html

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Citizen Cain or McCain will get it done!!

All the promises

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

BZ, if Hillary is smarter than BHO how come she is not using her brains? Her voting records are questionable. She is conniving, liar,manipulative and carpet bagger that is not equate smarts in IMHO

Posted by: bigben1986 | May 2, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Presidents are not messengers. They need to write their plan and prove feasibility. Obama have no plan and of course no feasibility study to follow-up. All he does it distort Hillary's health care plan. I suspect he is trying to woo the support from pham industry. He will be just as corrupted as his Kenya or Chicago counterparts, he has their blood in him.

Posted by: God Father | May 2, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

I love how the Obama supporters say Hillary is damaging the DEMOCRATIC PARTY. Isn't it DEMOCRATIC to let EVERYONE vote and count ALL THE VOTES? Democracy is more important than any canidate. I think you are afraid that time is damaging your canidate because his skeletons are pouring out of his closet and you know there are more to come via the Rezko trial if nothing else. He is damaged goods finally we are learning the truth...but still not yet from him! He is unelectatable in the GE.

Posted by: Gayle in Oregon | May 2, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Useless non-issue raising article -- the kind of thing we are growing oh so tired of. Please become a real reporter-writer and dig into important things.

Posted by: cdarrou@earthlink.net | May 2, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Are people forgetting the Clintons are liars? Do a little research on campaign finance corruption and as Clinton admitted "hundreds of affairs while president. WHy didn't Hilary leave Bill?.

Wright? I could not care less. Are Catholics that go to church pedifiles?

Are you responsible for what you hear on television? Why don't you turn it off..ergo leaving the evil church of the media...just cant do it can you? Same principle applies..

The media is unabashedly pro Bilary...

IT IS STUNNING THAT OBAMA has gottena s far as he has considering the Clintons many contacts. Senator Obama is honest and the folks that work with him LOVE HIM unlike the CLintons!!!!!!!

Posted by: ck | May 2, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

In her element?
Oh dear, what did she lie about today?

Posted by: Phil Douglas | May 2, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Concernedaboutdc:

I certainly would not want to be on the Credentials Committee, that's for sure. I guess the argument for counting Michigan is that the Dems cannot afford to lose many States in the general election, and Michigan is within reach for the eventual nominee, so let's give them SOME delegates to keep them happy. Howard Dean has indicated that both States will be seated (he's just hoping that Hillary concedes before that so it won't make a difference ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

That is a serious suit Hillary's got on in that picture. I have no problem acknowledging. Nice choice Hillary, and you're doing a good job.

Go Democrats!!

Obama, keep the movement forward. Thank you Supers!!

Primarily for Obama '08 =)

Indiana and N.C. gets the nod!! Deliver a great margin!!

Posted by: Obama2008 | May 2, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Obama's not an empty suit Godfather!

He is only empty to you because you resist hearing his message and plans for the country. Obama started out his campaign focused on the issues but grew into the "Hope-Monger" messenger and now he merging into both! So watch out! The Obama train is about to take off!

Posted by: AJ | May 2, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Rep. Rahm Emmanuel was on Real Time with Bill Maher last night, promoting his new book, "The Plan." He said that there are five points that the Ds need to get across to the public, plus one other point. Already, this doesn't seem like great marketing. Five points plus one point? What the hell is that? How about six points? Anyway, here they are:

1. Balance the budget in five years.
2. Make college education as universal in the 21st century as high school education was in the 20th century.
3. Every who works gets health care.
4. Create a "hydrid-based economy" and cut America's dependence on oil in half in ten years.
5. Create an "institute for science and engineering" to do for new technology and new jobs what the NIH has done for healthcare.
Extra bonus point. Bring the country together for a common purpose and a common mission.

Are you feeling inspired? Me neither. Citizen Cain can do better. Here's my seven point plan:

1. Provide tax relief to average Americans, while making sure that corporations and wealthy people pay their fair share
2. Double federal support for education.
3. Everyone gets health care. Basic health care insurance is no longer tied to employment.
4. Cut America's dependence on oil in half in ten years and begin to address global warming through major incentives for energy efficiency and for alternative energy.
5. Make the country more secure through a serious commitment to homeland security, to rebuilding America's alliances, and through a focus on destroying al Qaeda.
6. Restore competence and integrity to government, with lobbying reform and a commitment to a government that works for all the citizens, not just the wealthy and politically connected.
7. Protect social security.

Posted by: Jack | May 2, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

God, Mrs. Clinton is my worst nightmare. Make her go away, please.

And can't wait til Obama wins NC, where one poll today shows him with a 16 point lead. He has also shot up again in the InsiderAdvantage poll from two days ago that had Clinton leading. He now leads + 5 and is ticking up.

Posted by: vbalfour | May 2, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Was this a news article or a campaign press release?

Awful.

Posted by: Johnny Gentle famous crooner | May 2, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

FIRED UP! READY TO GO! YES WE CAN!
FIRED UP! READY TO GO! YES WE CAN!
FIRED UP! READY TO GO! YES WE CAN!
FIRED UP! READY TO GO! YES WE CAN!
FIRED UP! READY TO GO! YES WE CAN!
FIRED UP! READY TO GO! YES WE CAN!
FIRED UP! READY TO GO! YES WE CAN!

OBAMA IN 08!

Posted by: AJ | May 2, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Obama was an almost empty vessel and everyone just pour their imagination in. The vessel quickly filled up and some rather unpleasant facts spill out.

Here are a few questions media and most people fail to ask:

1. Does Obama have any real plan for the country, except empty talks about bombing Pakistan?

2. How could Obama run for president on the recommendation of Ted Kennedy? Is he capable of making up his own mind?

3. Obama keep saying Washington does not work before he could ever figure out how Washington works. Is he going to completely change the laws and rules of the government? And how could he make sure that the new system he wants to build will be any less flawed then the one we are having now? How could he be so sure the congress will cooperate with him?

The pathetic thing is Obama have not the least idea on where to start if he could be elected. Bush's problem is laziness, which is also Obama's. Both men tend to project themselves as easy going nice guys. Both as poorly prepared for the job. Bush has great visions for the country, even the vision is flawed. Obama has no vision for the country whatsoever. Both Bush and Obama rely heavily on their advisers to make policy decisions, and Bush has proved this would not be in the best interest of the country.

There is a lot of Bush in Obama, and he will be capable to further damage America just as Bush did. At that time when Obama finished him term, America will be really damned.

Let's discuss these issues rather than counting meaningless delegates.

Posted by: God father | May 2, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

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Rush Limbaugh, Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, Pat Buchanan,
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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Neocons and Republicans thugs on this and other boards, radios and T.V.'s are crying high and loud to get nomination of Hillary Clinton, thinking that once she is on the ticket, they can easily compared their rotten Egg (John McCain) with her in many ways and bring the big face and big nose Clinton in the field who will naturally run the White House either from his bed or from his coach.
The hardcore Whites, who have never supported even white Democrtas in the past, we should not worry about them and let them to cheer for John McCAIN, whose one leg is in his grave and barely can walk, talk and think straight.
If we elect Obama, America can stand up again in the world as the most civilized Nation and take leadership to be an honest, humane and just and fair BIG BROTHER wiping out the sins carried out by the gang of Bush-Cheney and Rumsfeld.

Posted by: john dahodi | May 2, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

BZ-
My favorite anti-Clinton sign I saw in the SJ Valley was on a cotton trailer parked next to CA 198 between Visalia and Hanford for most of Clinton's first term:

Abandon
Babbit
Clinton
Dooley

And "Truth Radio". That was some great listening. Even as a ten-year old I could tell they were stark raving mad.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

JakeD - Would disagree with your 2:30 post that HRC is ahead in popular vote. As you say - IF you count Florida and Michigan. At this point these elections have not been legitimized. The present status is that they don't count. When and if the credential committee decides to legitimize these elections, your point may be valid. Lot of ifs in there. The fact is that these two states exercized bad judgment by attempting to violate party rules. The irony is that, had they not moved their primary dates, they could have had a tremendous impact on this election. Now the great likelihood is that they will only be a postscript at best and scapegoats at worst for the damage done to the Democratic Party.

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse


Obama's campaign has just posted his resume online - to refute claims that he has no experience. This is going to be a major boost to his argument that he is a qualified candidate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_UsU

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

We badly need health care reform. Has Hillary Clinton changed in ways that we can trust to deliver this time...if she is given the chance?

Posted by: FirstMouse | May 2, 2008 4:57 PM

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We can trust Hillary will try again. Clintons risked their whole political career for this initiative.

Obama has never done anything in 46 years. Therefore, he can not trust him to do anything other than throwing his uncle and grand ma under the bus

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't Bill Clinton's LA,Calif fraud case against Bill Clinton made the newspapers? Is the issue being hushed until after the election? The implication for Hillary (potentially having to testify)being withheld because it would be so damaging to her? Anybody know the answer?

Posted by: Precious | May 2, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

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YESTERDAY'S SCRIPT:
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Incite racial hatred against Muslims!

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TODAY'S SCRIPT:
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Incite racial hatred against Black Americans!

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TOMORROW'S SCRIPT.

(to be announced on Fox News)


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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Mason-

I hear ya. I grew up in Stockton, CA. I know the sentiments about Bill and Hill.
My point is - we know she has baggage, we don't know all of Obama's.
Based on my own, conservative, yet Democratic beliefs, I believe she is the best candidate to deliver on the promise. Believe me its no "slam dunk" for me either. But after looking at the options, and the goal of winning in Nov. I have to support HRC.
Let's put our efforts into a candidate who can beat John McCain.
Obama's appeal is too narrow - youth, black voters , and latte liberals-it is not enough to win. And, compound that with his growing negatives and inability to connect to Middle America, I think its over for him.

Posted by: BZ | May 2, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Rafa-
If I meet any PR soliers, sailors, airmen or marines, I will thank them. It still doesn't change the fact that PR doesn't matter and won't be a state because it's too poor and too brown. What was the plebescite last time? 48%/45%/4%? You all can't even figure out what you yourselves want. Figure that one out, then maybe you can make a pitch to congress.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

One experience that neither Hillary Clinton nor the MSM have explained is what happened to the health care reform promised by the Clintons before they occupied the White House.

Carl Bernstein does explore this failure in his book A WOMAN IN CHARGE; one strong impression imparted is that Hillary's leadership style turned off even close natural allies. At a Williamsburg retreat of the Clintons and Senate Democrats, Bernstein says on page 304, her divisive "remarks...were received with disgust and distrust by two senators in particular, Bill Bradley and Pat Moynihan.... Bradley and Moynihan later said they were flabbergasted at Hillary's words and attitude that afternoon, but each came to believe that the incident was indicative of something more revealing about her character."

Bradley asked if "some substantive changes might be required in the interest of realism.... No, Hillary responded icily, there would be no changes because delay or not, the White House would 'demonize' members of Congress and the medical establishment who would use the interim to alter the administration's plan or otherwise stand in its way.

'That was it for me in terms of Hillary Clinton,' Bradley said many years later. 'You don't tell members of the Senate you are going to demonize them. It was obviously so basic to who she is. The arrogance. The assumption that people with questions are enemies. The disdain. The hypocrisy.'

"Lawrence O'Donnell said that Moynihan 'didn't hold grudges, didn't personalize such matters.... 'But the 'demonizing' colored his perception of Hillary, and how she operated, for the rest of his life.'"
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We badly need health care reform. Has Hillary Clinton changed in ways that we can trust to deliver this time...if she is given the chance?

Posted by: FirstMouse | May 2, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Dan, I hope we get a similar puff piece about Obama wooing the voters in tomorrow's paper.

Posted by: dee | May 2, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

SUPER DELEGATES ARE FREE TO JUMP SHIP

yep, and they're jumping off the sinking SS Hillary in droves !

Ha!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Yep, Obama's already won. Like in the general election, the popular vote (which he will probably win, anyway) doesn't count.
Like a sport; you play by the rules...and the rules are delegates. That's the name of the game.

And Obama has won. And after the flood of Super-delegates to him, the election will be sealed: Obama won.

and...just wait...now Hillary is saying that the Super (actually any) delegate is free to vote their conscience...just wait, after they vote for Obama (which they will), wait for the fit...wait for Hillary to start screaming that they're suppose to wait for all the primaries...i.e. vote their conscience...as long a they vote for her.

Ha!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse


SUPER DELEGATES ARE FREE TO JUMP SHIP

NO ONE HAS WON ANYTHING

THAT'S WHAT THE OBAMABOTS CAN'T UNDERSTAND

HE'S TOAST

Posted by: TODD | May 2, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

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OBAMA'S ALREADY WON !

Scream, throw a tantrum, blog all night,
But the facts are: that Obama has already won.

Don't believe me?
...go on the Delegate Calculator, and punch in the numbers

Let Hillary win by 70%, in EVERY remaining primary (even North Carolina....and that ain't going to happen..she's never won by 70%)

But do it anyway....let her win EVERY PRIMARY that remains in this race

(and there's no way she's going to win by 70%, and no way she's going to win North Carolina)

....but do it anyway.....just for fun...and what do you find out?

OBAMA IS STILL AHEAD!

Do it ! ....or just keep throwing a tantrum

OBAMA HAS ALREADY WON !

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DELEGATE CALCULATOR:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/29/delegate.counter/index.html

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Judgement

HRC - voted for Iraq war
HRC - voted to call Iranian Guard Terrorist

BO - has a crazy pastor who is BITTER from living through Jim Crow

Which is worst?
Which one has effected your pocketbook? Which judgement has effected the economy?
Which judgment has actually effected YOU?

Now you can say BO's relationship with Wright speaks to who he is then does HRC 40 year relationship with her hubby means she is a lying cheater - Of course it doesn't - Barack and Hillary are individuals whose character and values were established before either of them meant Wright on Bill Clinton - GET A GRIP PEOPLE!

Posted by: Mia | May 2, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse


A FEW OF THE SENATORS WHO VOTED LIKE HILLARY ON IRAQ (VOTE WAS 77-23 yea)

JOHN EDWARDS
JOHN KERRY
TOM DASCHLE
CHRISTOPHER DODD
JAY ROCKEFELLER
JOE BIDEN
JOE LIEBERMAN
DIANE FEINSTEIN
CHARLES SCHUMER
TRENT LOTT
RICHARD LUGER

OBAMA
A FREAKING YEAR AND A HALF AND NOT ONE MEETING ON THE AFGHANISTAN OVERSIGHT COMMITTE

HE WAS "APPOINTED" TO CHAIRMAN BY HIS DEMI FRIENDS OVER A YEAR AND A HALF AGO - HE IS A SELF CENTERED LACKEY

WHILE HE WAS "TOO BUSY" WITH HIS OWN LIFE

134 SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN HAVE DIED IN JUST AFGHANISTAN ALONE

WHILE OBAMA WAS TOO BUSY WITH HIS CAMPAIGN TO DO HIS JOB - WHILE OBAMA WAS TOO BUSY WITH HIS OWN LIFE - THESE BRAVE AMERICANS GAVE THEIRS IN AFGHANISTAN


4/2/08 Sgt. Nicholas Robertson, Old Town, Maine 27
3/23/08 Tech. William H. Jefferson, Norfolk, Virginia 34
3/21/98 Staff Sgt. William R. Neil, Hamden, New Jersey 38
3/19/08 Pfc. Antione V. Robinson, Detroit, Michigan 20
3/14/08 Staff Sgt. collin J. Bowen, Millersville, Maryland 38
3/8/08 Sgt. Gabriel Guzman, Hornbrook, California 25
3/3/08 Sgt. Robert T. Rapp, Sonora, California 22
3/3/08 Spec. Seven R. Koch, Milltown, New Jersey 23
2/5/08 Staff Sgt. Donald T. Tabb, Norcross, Georgia 29
1/26/08 Sgt. 1st Class Matthew R. Kahler, Granite Falls, Minnesota 29
1/25/08 Staff Sgt. Robert J. Miller, Iowa City, Iowa 24
1/11/08 Lt. Col. Richard J. Berrettini, Wilcox, Pennsylvania 52
1/9/08 Sgt. David J. Krakulich, Reno, Nevada 22
1/7/08 Maj. Michael L. Green, Gautier, Mississippi 36
1/7/08 Sgt. James K. Healy, Hesperia, California 25
1/2/08 Sgt. Shawn F. Hill, Wllford, South Carolina 37
12/24/07 Senior Airman Nicholas D. Eischen, Sanger, California, 24
12/12/07 Cpl. Joshua C. Blaney, Mattews, North Carolina 25
12/12/07 Staff Sgt. Michael J. Gabel, Baton Rouge, Louisiana 30
12/11/07 Staff Sgt. Gregory L. Elam, Columbus, Georgia 39
12/9/07 Cpl. Tanner J. O'Leary, Eagle Butte, South Dakota 23
11/13/07 2nd Lt. Stuart F. Liles, Hot Springs, Arkansas 26
11/12/07 Spec. Adrian E. Hike, Callender, Iowa 26
11/12/07 Capt. David A Boris, Pottsville, Pennsylvania 30
11/10/07 Staff Sgt. Patrick F. Kutschbach, McKees Rocks, Pennsylvania 25
11/10/07 Sgt. Jeffery S. Mersman, Parker, Kansas 23
11/10/07 Pfc. Joseph M. Lancour, Swartz Creek, Michigan 21
11/10/07 Spec. Lester G. Roque, Torrance, California 23
11/9/07 Sgt. Phillip A. Bocks, Troy, Michigan 28
11/9/07 Spec. Sean K. Langevin, Walnut Creek, California 23
11/9/07 1st Lt. Matthew C. Ferrara, Torrance, California 24
11/2/07 Sgt. 1st Class Johnny C. Walls, Bremerton, Washington 41
10/30/07 Staff Sgt. James D. Bullard, Marion, South Carolina 28
10/29/07 Maj. Jeffrey R. Calero, Queens Village, New York 34
10/28/07 Master Sgt. Thomas L. Bruner, Owensboro, Kentucky 50
10/27/07 Staff Sgt. Joseph F. Curreri, Los Angeles, California 27
10/26/07 Sgt. Joshua C. Brennan, Ontario, Oregon 22
10/25/07 Spec. Hugo V. Mendoza, Glendale, Arizona 29
10/23/07 Sgt. Edward O. Philpot, Latta, South Carolina 38
10/23/07 Staff Sgt. Larry I. Rougle, West Jordan, Utah 25
10/6/07 Spec. Adam D. Quinn, Orange City, Florida 22
10/2/07 Petty Officer Third Class Mark R. Cannon, Lubbock, Texas 31
9/29/07 Sgt. Zachary D. Telliler, Charlotte, North Carolina 31
9/28/07 Spec. Ciara M. Durkin, Quincy, Massachusetts 39
9/26/07 Pfc. Mathew D. Taylor, Cameron Park, California 21
9/25/07 Petty Officer 2nd Class Charles Luke Milam, Littleton, Colorado 26
9/25/07 Pfc. Christopher F. Pfeifer, Spalding, Nebraska 21
9/23/07 Sgt. 1st Class Matthew D. Blaskowski, Levering, Michigan 27
9/9/07 Cpl. Travis M. Woods, Redding, California 21
9/6/07 Pfc. Mykel F. Miller, Phoenix, Arizona 19
9/4/07 Master Sgt. Patrick D. Magnani, Martinez, California 38
8/28/07 Sgt. Bryce D. Howard, Vancouver, Washington 24
8/28/07 Sgt. Cory L. Clark, Plant City, Florida 25
8/28/07 Sgt. 1st Class Rocky H. Herrera, Salt Lake City, Utah 43
8/27/07 Pfc. Thomas R. Wilson, Mauertown, Virginia 21
8/27/07 Sgt. Jan M. Argonish, Peckville, Pennsylvania 26
8/27/07 Master Sgt. Scott R. Ball, Mount Holly Springs, Pennsylvania 38
8/27/07 Maj. Henry S. Ofeciar, Agana Heights, Guam 37
8/26/07 Staff Sgt. Nicholas R. Carnes, Dayton, Kentucky 25
8/24/07 Sgt. 1st Class Daniel E. Miller, Rossford, Ohio 43
8/24/07 Sgt. 1st Class Scott M. Carney, Ankeny, Iowa 37
8/20/07 Spec. George V. Libby, Aberdeen, North Carolina 23
8/12/07 Pvt. Alan J. Austin, Houston, Texas 21
8/12/07 Sgt. 1st Class Jeffrey D. Kettle, Madill, Oklahoma 31
8/12/07 Staff Sgt. Jesse G. Clowers Jr., Herndon, Virginia 27
8/12/07 Sgt. Charles B. Kitowski III, Farmers Branch, Texas 31
8/11/07 Pfc. Jordan E. Goode, Kalamazoo, Michigan 21
8/2/07 Sgt. Taurean T. Harris, Liberty, Mississippi 22
7/31/07 1st Lt. Benjamin J. Hall, Fredericksburg, Virginia 24
7/27/07 Staff Sgt. William R. Fritsche, Martinville, Indiana 23
7/27/07 Maj. Thomas G. Bostick Jr., Llano, Texas 37
7/23/07 Pfc. Zachary R. Endsley, Spring, Texas 21
7/23/07 Pfc. Jessy S. Rogers, Cooper Center, Alaska 20
7/23/07 Spec. Adam J. Davis, Twin Falls, Idaho 19
7/23/07 Sgt. Travon T. Johnson, Palmdale, California 29
7/23/07 1st Sgt. Michael S. Curry Jr., Dania Beach, Florida 37
7/22/07 Pfc. Juan S. Restrepo, Pembroke Pines, Florida 20
7/9/07 Master Sgt. Randy J. Gillespie, Coaldale, Colorado 44
7/7/07 Sgt. 1st Class Sean K. Mitchell, Monterey, California 35
7/6/07 Sgt. Thomas P. McGee, Hawthorne, California 23
7/5/07 Spec. Christopher S. Honaker, Havelock, North Carolina 23
7/5/07 Pfc. Joseph A. Miracle, Ortonville, Michigan 22
6/23/07 Capt. Darrell C. Lewis, Washington DC, 31
6/21/07 Sgt. Dustin J. Perrott, Fredericksburg, Virginia 23
6/17/07 Sgt. 1st Class John M. Hennen, Vinton, Louisiana 26
6/17/07 Capt. Joshua E. Steele, North Henderson, Illinois 26
6/17/07 Sgt. 1st Class Christopher D. Henderson, Hillsboro, Oregon 35
6/16/07 Staff Sgt. Roy P. Lewsader Jr., Belleville, Illinois 36
6/15/07 Master Sgt. Arthur L. Lilley, Smithfield, Pennsylvania 35
6/6/07 Sgt. Charles E. Wyckoff Jr., Chula Vista, California 28
6/5/07 Pfc. Timothy R. Vimoto, Fort Campbell, Kentucky 19
6/2/07 Spec. Jacob M. Lowell, New Lenox, Illinois 22
6/1/07 Sgt. Charles R. Browning, Tucson, Arizona 31
6/1/07 Lt. Col. Michael A. Robinson, Sylacauga, Alabama 42
5/30/07 Chief Warrant Officer Joshua R. Rodgers, Carson City, Nevada 29
5/30/07 Sgt. Brandon E. Hadaway, Valley, Alabama 25
5/30/07 Sgt. Jesse A. Blamires, West Jordan, Utah 25
5/30/07 Staff Sgt. Charlie L. Bagwell, Lake Toxaway, North Carolina 28
5/30/07 Chief Warrant Officer Christopher M. Allgaier, Middelton, Missouri 33
5/15/07 Staff Sgt. Joshua R. Whitaker, Long Beach, California 23
5/14/07 Maj. Larry J. Bauguess Jr., Moravian Falls, North Carolina 36
5/8/07 Sgt. Timothy P. Padgett, Defuniak Springs, Florida 28
5/6/07 Col. James W. Harrison Jr., Missouri 47
5/6/07 Master Sgt. Wilberto Sabalu Jr., Chicago, Illinois 36
5/3/07 Pfc. Joseph G. Harris, Sugar Land, Texas 19
4/28/07 Cpl. Jeremy R. Greene, Springfield, Ohio 24
4/27/07 Staff Sgt. Michael D. Thomas, Seffner, Florida 34
4/27/07 Spec. Daniel F. Mehringer, Morgantown, West Virginia 20
4/20/07 Sgt. Alexander Van Aalten, Monterey, Tennessee 21
4/12/07 Sgt. David A. Stephens, Tullahoma, Tennessee 28
4/12/07 Staff Sgt. Casey D. Combs, Auburn, Washington 28
4/11/07 Sgt. Edelman L. Hernandez, Hyattsville, Maryland 23 (enlistment had ended)
4/8/07 Cpl. Conor G. Masterson, Woodbury, Minnesota 21
3/29/07 Spec. Christopher M. Wilson, Bangor, Maine 24
3/29/07 Spec. Agustin Gutierrez, San Jacinto, California 19
3/29/07 Sgt. Edmund W. McDonald, Casco, Maine 25
3/5/07 Sgt. Christopher J. Fernandez, Dededo, Guam 28
3/5/07 Sgt. Gregory D. Dejeran, Barrigada, Guam 28
2/27/07 Pfc. Daniel Zizumbo, Chicago, Illinois 27
2/21/07 Pfc. Jason D. Johns, Frankton, Indiana 19
2/19/07 Sgt. Buddy J. Hughie, Poteau, Oklahoma 25
2/18/07 Chief Warrant Officer Hershel D. McCants Jr., Clarksville, Tennessee 33
2/18/07 Tech. Sgt. Scott E. Duffman, Albuquerque, New Mexico 32
2/18/07 Chief Warrant Officer John A. Quinlan, New Jersey 36
2/18/07 Sgt. Adam A. Wilkinson, Fort Carson, Colorado 23
2/18/07 Spec. Travis R. Vaughn, Reinbeck, Iowa 26
2/18/07 Spec. Brandon D. Gordon, Naples, Florida 21
2/18/07 Pfc. Ryan C. Garbs, Edwardsville, Illinois 20
2/18/07 Pfc. Kristofer D. Thomas, Roseville, California 18
2/15/07 Cpl. Timothy D. Lewis, Lawrenceburg, Kentucky 20
2/12/07 Petty Officer 2nd Class Laquite Pate James, Orange Park, Florida 23
2/10/07 Sgt. Long N. Nguyen, Portland, Oregon 27


MR. OBAMA IS ALL ABOUT MR. OBAMA

Posted by: Todd | May 2, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

It is primarily working class families whose children are being killed in Iraq. Hillary Clinton voted for this illegal war. The only "connection" she has with this electorate, is as the surrogate executioner of their loved ones.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

PUERTO RICO WILL BE STATE NUMBER 51


Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Re: overtaking Barack HUSSEIN Obama in the popular vote -- that's already happened and the Credentials Committee will have to resolve the issue -- if you count Florida and Michigan, she IS ahead in the total popular vote by 121,615 votes.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 2:30 PM
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What is "appropriate" about allowing Michigan to count when a number of the candidates weren't on the ballot? That would disinfranchise many Michigan voters who didn't bother to go to the polls as they knew their vote wouldn't count. They expected the rules to be the rules. Only a Clinton would expect the rules to apply to everyone but their "royal" selves.

Clinton Backer Bob Kerrey, Asked If the Delegates From FL And MI Should Count, Said "You Don't Change The Rules In The Middle Of The Game. Period...No New Vote And No New Caucuses, Either. Just Stick To The Rules They Agreed To." "You don't change the rules in the middle of the game. Period," said former Nebraska Senator Bob Kerrey, The New School's president, when asked if the delegates from the Florida and Michigan primaries should be represented at the Democratic National Convention in August. Scoopy ran into Kerrey on Sunday at Chelsea Piers, where Kerrey had taken his young son and a friend bowling. "No new vote and no new caucuses, either. Just stick to the rules that they agreed to," Kerrey said firmly. The Democratic National Committee stripped both Florida and Michigan of all their delegates because, defying party rules, they held their primaries before Feb. 5. The candidates all agreed to abide by that decision and not campaign in those states. Barack Obama withdrew his name from the ballot in Michigan and didn't compete in Florida. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in both states and now says their delegates should be counted toward the total. Although Kerrey endorsed Clinton in December, he clearly doesn't endorse her position on the Michigan and Florida delegates.

Posted by: Concernedaboutdc | May 2, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Mason! We matter I want to just remind you there are more 4000 Puertorrican soliders fighting in Iraq right now with dignity representing your country and flag when we have ours! You are the silly one.


YOU CAN SAY THANK YOU!

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the straightforward commentary here Dan. I really got a feel for what it's like out there at the rallies. etc. in Indiana and North Carolina. It was nice to get a sense of the people turning out for Hillary, as well as how she interacts with them.

Vote for Hillary!

Posted by: SD | May 2, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

From the headline, I thought this article was going to be about Fox News.

Posted by: Kev | May 2, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

You talkin' to me, Sidle? I lean towards BHO but lets get real, even if this is real and this guy said what he said, it was 17 years ago. He was was an operative working for Bill Clinton. This is water so far under the bridge that it's been out to sea, evaporated and rained back down upstream three times already.

Next...

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

No one is demaging Democratic Party, it is the promotion of "The Emperor's New Clothes" demaging the party.

His supporters are just over excited about the bare shining body with extra stuff inside. While ordinary people are still shocked by the none-dress show.

Posted by: jy2008 | May 2, 2008 4:33 PM
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HUH????????????

Posted by: Disenchanted by Hype | May 2, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

God Bless Hillary Clinton.

She's going to be the best President ever!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Hillary Clinton in her element: LYING, PANDERING TO VOTERS, PLAYING DIRTY POLITICS, LOOSING POORLY

Posted by: Janet | May 2, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Gregory Williams, you are an idiot! I NEVER said that it is okay for articles to be in biased in favor of one canditate over another, I merely pointed out how really biased this article is. All bias should be pointed out and seen for what they are.

Posted by: lizard3 | May 2, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

No one is demaging Democratic Party, it is the promotion of "The Emperor's New Clothes" demaging the party.

His supporters are just over excited about the bare shining body with extra stuff inside. While ordinary people are still shocked by the none-dress show.

Posted by: jy2008 | May 2, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Clinton adviser calls Indiana "sh*t"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-MzByUHIzw

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

"I want everybody to place a little money on the filly."
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I wonder what the spin will be when the filly loses?

Posted by: Terry | May 2, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

BZ, well said!!
Obama is a wimp!
He belongs to her mama.
If he could not handle his pastor, how can he housekeep our country?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

hmmm, you all dumped the story of the altered tape pretty fast...
was that to protect Obama?

Posted by: Sidle | May 2, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Annon @ 4:28

As they like to say about OBL or AQ videos: The veracity of this recording has not been confimed.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Silly PR. They think they matter.

DC will be a state before PR will be.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Clinton adviser calls Indiana "sh*t"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-MzByUHIzw

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Rafael,

Ain't gonna happen...Puerto Rico is broke concentrate on that.

Posted by: Disenchanted by Hype | May 2, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

PUERTO RICO IS FOR CLINTON! CLINTON SAID SHE WOULD HELP PUERTO RICO BECOME THE 51ST STATE OF THIS GREAT UNION.

PR51

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Hillary or Obama...well I am an Obama supporter but I could freakin care less. If he doesn't get it let the witch cast her spell in November and see how those same republicans who are in a lovefest with her now stake her through her evil heart.

Posted by: Disenchanted by Hype | May 2, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

PUERTO RICO IS FOR CLINTON!

PR 51

Posted by: Rafael | May 2, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

lizard 3, are you saying that because this article does not paint Hillary in a negative way it is biased? So I guess that also means that all the articles that do the same for Obama are biased. So I take it that you think that it is ok to be biased just as long as it is in favor of Obama. I don't think the article is biased at all; it is a fair observation about what is going on.

Posted by: Gregory Williams | May 2, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

BZ-
Hillary Clinton appeals to the broader electorate?

Huh. Could have fooled me. My neighbors growing up had a "Dual Airbags" sticker on their MB wagon with cartoony images of Bill and Hill. She might be ready to lead, more plucky, a fighter (Obama's not?), and offer real solutions, but after living in Tulare County, CA for years, I find it hard to believe she can really attract that many more Reagan Dems (can we kick them out of the party yet?), INDEPS, or Republicans than BHO. I mean, look at her negative numbers. BHO has had a bad month and yet people still think him more trustworthy than her.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Electability is a joke of an argument. That is how Kerry got picked over Dean and Dems lost big.

Dean had the excitement of the Party and young people. But no, he wasn't as electable. He didn't have enough experience. We had to go with Kerry. And we lost.

Hillary is so much more electable, just like Kerry.

Posted by: Mike in Sac | May 2, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Wow, another hate fest by Rat and JakeD with Leanza a close third. How typical

It is nice to see that Hillary has finally found a way to use that unpleasant and overbearing personality of hers. The fact that she is so unpleasant that Bill's supporter won't stay faithful to her has finally found a plausible story line. The "fighter" incarnate does seem to put the most positive spin on what otherwise is seen as her being a B!tch.

I couldn't believe it when asked how she would control her husband while in the Whitehouse and that she even answered. Her reply was even more surprising, "I think everybody knows I wear the pantsuit in this family." Bizarre and offensive or should be, to most people.

She reminds me of my ex-wife who was such a straight up B!tch I had to divorce her. I guess Bill just chose to fool around.

Posted by: Mike in Sac | May 2, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

This article just GUSHES over Hillary! The author clearly loves her to bits!!! It is really biased and really awful..an insult to intelligence!

Stop......enough already!

Posted by: lizard3 | May 2, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

When I read these comments, I see no evidence that Hillary is destroying the Democratic party. Based on what? Why are the Obama supports so afraid of her?
Because:
- She's smarter than Obama
- She is more electable?
- She's a fighter?
- Middle class Americans connects to her?
- She offers real solutions?
- She ready to lead?
- She appeals to "Reagan Democrats" and Independents?
- She appeals to a broader electorate?

I know she has "baggage" but she will never be labeled "Un-American" or "Racist" or "elitist".
Obama will not be able to shake these labels, and the Repbulicans are hoping he gets the nomination. It would be a wipe out.

Posted by: BZ | May 2, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Electiblity (which led to Gore, Kerry, btw) means different things to different supers in different districts/states. For some it might be HRC, but for others it might be BHO. It will basically come down to who they think can help them hold or win seats downticket. Things will probably break down regionally and as the numbers stand, BHO needs fewer of them.

In any case, there won't be enough of them to get the FL and MI delegations seated as they were voted because the delegate leader and the DNC control the committee. I guess that if HRC manages to overtake BHO in total delegate count then she could get them seated, but then the matter is moot anyway because she's already won w/o them.

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Hillary just neeeds to buy Rev. Wright some time on tv.

Hillary should continue her campaign even past the Convention if Obama wins.

Denial is in the Dem DNA.

Posted by: Ms. Osygnist | May 2, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Mason:

The Super Delegates are looking a "electibility" though (heck, they could flip a coin, for all I care ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Go Hillary! Bill Clinton is going to be in my town tomorrow and I am so excited to see one of the best presidents of all time. Hope the economy is as good after Hillary get elected as it was when Clinton was president.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

JakeD.

Read your own numbers. Obama is ahead if you leave out the beauty contests that awarded no delegates and will not be seated as they voted. Remember: Dean and whoever leads in PDs chooses the members of that commitee.

But popular vote is a dumb way to figure it out anyway since some states have caucuses and others have primaries. Apples and Oranges (or PCs).

Posted by: Mason | May 2, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Barack Obama has been conducting a gentlemanly campaign (mostly), whereas the Clintons and their tribe have been scorch and burn with the help of the media. So the Dems should be afraid that the Republicans will tear Obama apart???? No, No, imagine if they had the chance to dine on the tasty morsels of Clinton's past--from the time she was a trial lawyer vs a rape victim, to her seat on the board of the anti union Walmart, whitewater, travelgate and "Paul v. Clinton" now in the California Courts---how did she rig it so that her testimony can't be taken til after November. Do what Jane said, google Paul V. Clinton---"In the landmark civil fraud case against Bill Clinton in Los Angeles, where the former President is charged with defrauding a Hollywood dot com millionaire to help Hillary Clinton obtain more than $1.2 million from him for her 2000 Senate campaign, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Aurelio Munoz ruled on Friday, April 25, 2008 that Hillary Clinton would not be required to testify in a sworn deposition as a material witness in the case until AFTER the November election!."
"Had Senator Clinton be forced to testify under oath, as a material witness and beneficiary of the fraud that her husband is being sued for before the Democratic Convention, her remote chances for being nominated the party candidate would have been unquestionably destroyed."
"Paul contends his case will expose "the institutional culture of corruption embraced by the Clinton leadership of the Democratic Party," which seeks to attain "unaccountable power for the Clintons at the expense of the rule of law and respect for the constitutional processes of government."
All the court documents/evidence is here: peterfpaul.com

Posted by: Dennis | May 2, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Very Concerned:

She would only be President-ELECT at that time (although, I wonder if Congress can impeach a President-Elect -- that would be a great Con Law essay question -- "Professor" Obama?).

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse


Tell me, does it make sense to give money to one candidate and vote for the other. look at these numbers about who contributed to each candidate and by how much, is there any relationship between a person's contribution and how much that person makes ? how is Hillary the favored by 'Blue collar ' voter when twice as much 'blue collar' voters gave money to Obama not Hillary -----> follow the link below to the money.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/donordems.asp?cycle=2008

Posted by: lol | May 2, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

John B. Sheffield....awesome comment!!

If Hillary wins the whole thing...will she testify in the Clinton V. Paul campaign fraud trial?? Judge Munoz decided she does not have to testify until after the election, the rest of the trial will get started sooner. So, will the President of the United States of America actually testify at her own trial? We already have our first pre-presidential drama!!

Stay Tuned folks...
- Will the President actually testify?
- Could Bill Clinton get the first pardon of the new presidency?
- How much will she charge for the pardon?
- If she is found guilty in some way...can she pardon herself?
- How much will she charge herself...to get herself off the hook?

The Clintons have brought more shame than anyone to the presidency. Has this country lost the plot or what?

Posted by: Very Concerned | May 2, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

For those that don't know - Google Paul vs Clinton and hold on to your shirt with what you read!! L.A., California Case #BC304174
For those of you who think this case has been thrown out - is hasn't, or is irrelevant - think again:
"In the landmark civil fraud case against Bill Clinton in Los Angeles, where the former President is charged with defrauding a Hollywood dot com millionaire to help Hillary Clinton obtain more than $1.2 million from him for her 2000 Senate campaign, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Aurelio Munoz ruled on Friday, April 25, 2008 that Hillary Clinton would not be required to testify in a sworn deposition as a material witness in the case until AFTER the November election!."
"Had Senator Clinton be forced to testify under oath, as a material witness and beneficiary of the fraud that her husband is being sued for before the Democratic Convention, her remote chances for being nominated the party candidate would have been unquestionably destroyed."
"Paul contends his case will expose "the institutional culture of corruption embraced by the Clinton leadership of the Democratic Party," which seeks to attain "unaccountable power for the Clintons at the expense of the rule of law and respect for the constitutional processes of government."
All the court documents/evidence is here: peterfpaul.com

Posted by: Jane | May 2, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Facts are a stubborn thing. Obama cannot close his 20 year old relationship with Wright because there is so much video evidence against it. On the TV program THE VIEW, Obama declared that Reverend Wright accepted that his view were inappropriate and mischaracterized. That it had offended many people. Then weeks later Wright goes on a national Hate America Press Tour? This was a blatant lie. Or worse, Obama was fooled by Wright which is kind of scary. That a possible next president can be played by a character such as Wright. Check the video evidence yourselves. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6J7yJ9R5p0

Posted by: Leanza Cornett | May 2, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Who are you and what have you done with Dan Balz?

Posted by: Anonymous | May 2, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Hillary may be in her element, but she is seriously damaging The Democratic Party just like Husband Bill did when he disgraced us when he was in The White House.

Currently Hillary is clinging on in desperation and using every dirty tactic she can think of, but let her note is she damages The Democratic Party's chances in November to take The White House we will never Forgive her and she can forget her Wild Dreams to stand in 2012 once she has destroyed Senator Barack Obama, Hillary has brought shame both to herself and our Party.

Posted by: John B Sheffield | May 2, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Or, make that "At the Derby"! :-(

Posted by: RAT-The | May 2, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Billary "In their Element"?

What? Did they slip and fall in something at the Rodeo? ;~)

Posted by: RAT-The | May 2, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Re: overtaking Barack HUSSEIN Obama in the popular vote -- that's already happened and the Credentials Committee will have to resolve the issue -- if you count Florida and Michigan, she IS ahead in the total popular vote by 121,615 votes.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Posted by: JakeD | May 2, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

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