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Clinton Running Hard in West Virginia


Democratic presidential hopeful U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) greets Evelyn Keener, 91, during a visit to Tudor's Biscuit World on May 12, 2008, in Charleston, W.Va. (Getty Images)

By Anne E. Kornblut
CLEAR FORK, W.Va. -- To those who suggest that she is simply biding her time until a graceful exit, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton had a message Monday: She is still running, and still arguing that she will be a stronger general election candidate than Sen. Barack Obama.

"It's a fact that Democrats don't get elected unless West Virginia votes for you," Clinton said here, deep in a rural southern pocket of the state. "West Virginia has picked presidents pretty accurately. ... I am here today because I know what's really going to matter tomorrow: It's the votes of the people of West Virginia."

Clinton is expected to win West Virginia by a wide margin Tuesday, the sixth-to-last primary state. But she will still likely trail in pledged delegates and superdelegates, reducing her odds of winning the nomination, in the words of one of her own senior officials, to about 2 percent.

Clinton is not -- at least not yet -- extending an olive branch to Obama. She criticized him for not offering a gas tax holiday as she (and presumptive Republican nominee Sen. John McCain) would. "I happen to believe that when you're a leader you should lead on behalf of the people you represent," Clinton said. "My campaign is about solutions, not speeches."

She made the electability argument, too, suggesting that she -- and thus, logically, not Obama -- would be able to win West Virginia in the general election. And as she traveled across the state, she found her message echoed by supporters who turned out to greet her. At Biscuit World, a diner in Charleston, one ardent 90-year-old Clinton supporter said she would not support Obama in the general election, and doubted he could beat McCain. "No, I won't, I'll just be honest about it," said Evelyn Keener, when asked if she would vote for the Democratic nominee if it is not Clinton. Keener's adult granddaughter, Cynthia Taylor, said the same. "It's Hillary all the way, or no way," Taylor said.

But Clinton was confronted by a fierce Obama supporter at Biscuit World as well. Doris Smith, 61, wearing an Obama '08 T-shirt, confronted the candidate after Clinton skipped her table while shaking hands. Afterward, Smith said she told Clinton to "stop dealing in character assassinations" against Obama. "She said, 'Thank you for being here to support me,' but I really wasn't here to support her," Smith said. Asked why she has chosen Obama over Clinton, Smith said it was because she believes only Obama can beat McCain.

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JB,
Good comment...I kinda like Ron Paul too, not that it would ever happen but what would you think of a Obama/Paul ticket? I say that b/c although I like a lot of Pauls ideals, I don't think the country is ready (and I don't really mean emotionally and all that, I mean b/c the way the system is set up...it's like taking drugs away from a drug addict ya know, sometimes you have to do it gradually so as to lessen the withdrawl symptoms). I think that Obama (I say Obama b/c it looks like he has this thing wrapped up)has what the country needs now. yes they differ on a lot of things, but they agree on some things too and to me that can be some of the checks and balances that are needed...thoughts?

Posted by: Deeze | May 14, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Where are you dem's getting your information on Republicans voting for Barack Obama? Is this on your favorite blog? From a cousin who "read it" somewhere?

I listen to conservative talk radio every day as a Ron Paul Republican. "Operation Chaos" (which is what I assume you are referring to) is not about getting Obama elected, it's about getting HILLARY elected. Repubs are secretly voting for Hillary.

Conservatives know that nothing can unite a party behind a Republican like the possibility of a Clinton in the White House, so they vote for her for 2 reasons:

#1) If she wins the primary, McCain has a shot at the general since she will unite the Republican base, and McCain will bring in some of Obama's Independents

#2) If she happens to beat McCain, they only have to deal with 4 years of Hillary versus 8 of Obama, as they think Republicans will be so disenfranchised they will show up to vote in mass in 2012.

That is the reasoning behind Operation Chaos. I'll say it again Operation Chaos, is a plan by the Republicans to vote for Hillary. This cycle has gotten so nasty, and flipped so 180 degrees, that now it is Barack who is the favorite, Barack who is Elitist, and Barack who is uniting the Republicans? I feel like I live in the United States of Amnesia.

Posted by: JB | May 14, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Countdown to Victory
143 to 2025 Obama
311 to 2025 Clinton
433 Delegates Remain
239 Supers
194 Elected

Posted by: Delegate Math | May 14, 2008 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Hillary beats Obama by 38% in WV? Obama is unelectable. He will never carry WV, FL, OH probably PA and could lose NJ and NY. Obama's supporters are nasty. His voters and the news media have smeared white Hillary voters as "rednecks and racists." Those people are not going to stay home in Nov. They will be out in force to vote for McCain. Obama's condescending supporters are doing a great job getting McCain elected.

Posted by: Tom | May 13, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

ObamasLady,
Thanks for the response...Yes I am a young 30 years old :P That wasn't my comment you posted on at the top of your response that was actually a comment I was responding to. I have a couple of really long comments on various articles on here and politico.com and the funny thing is is that I still haven't gotten an answer from HRC supporters who say they will support McCain if Obama wins, I just don't understand that logic. I'm happy so many people are actually getting involved in the process regardless of who they are voting for but if you support HRC how can you vote for her polar opposite in McCain? I read all these posts and the people saying that claim it's not out of spite and that it's not childish etc. but yet no one has responded when I ask them to explain their logic...not a difficult question I don't think...but apparantly the answer is difficult b/c I've posted that question on about 6 different highly commented articles on here and politico and have yet to get an answer...

Posted by: Deeze | May 13, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

"It's a fact that Democrats don't get elected unless West Virginia votes for you," Clinton said here, deep in a rural southern pocket of the state. "West Virginia has picked presidents pretty accurately. ... I am here today because I know what's really going to matter tomorrow: It's the votes of the people of West Virginia."


http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/williams.asp

I'm glad you want these votes, Hillary. Sounds like you think yourself one of them.

Posted by: hometowner | May 13, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Deeze | May 13, 2008 3:23 PM : Deeze; I read your post and this phrase, "But if Sen.H.Clinton will be candidate from Democrats Sen.McCain and his supporters will have great problem and will be beat. The main reason is: white voters will be divided. Exept, Sen. H. Clinton has great state experience: two times she made B.Clinton Governer and two times she made his President of the USA. H.Clinton is outstanding woman. It is undoubtedly. And in the given situation the best decision is the nomination Sen. B.Obama to Vice-President. But Sen. B.Obama has great ambision,unfortunately.Would be very nice if Sen. B.Obama could be have a critical vision himself and adopted suggestion of Sen. Hillary Clinton."

But, Deeze (you sound very young to me since I have a 44 year old daughter and 3 grandchildren and of varying. I am 65 Latino female. I stated supporting HRC, but when she deliberately lied about the Bosnia affair dodging snipper fire, I had to do a doubletake. I could care less abouth the lie refering to an inconsequential event, but I was very upset because that lie told me that I could NEVER trust anything she said again - I would ALWAYS have to worry about what she was saying and if it were important, then I would be extremely frightened as I would not then know if she were telling a lie or if she was telling the truth, [That really is a problem with someone who lies as yo truly never know what is truth and with is a lie. How I KNOW this is because my daughter is a borderline personality and lies constantly, so I can never be assured ab0ut anything she tells me and just take everything with a grain of salt. But no person deserves that lack of trust in a POTUS. So CHARACTER is VITAL. After that blatant lie, I decided to listen to Obama and listened and heard his speeches and was quite impressed since he has basicalloy the same stand on issues as HRC, but he also has "we the people" who need to assist him when he is pres. When he speaks he also 'always'n includes "us - all of us" and wants and needs our help if he is to be successful - that has always been his way so that is why once you realy hear him, you get drawn in because he is SO "inclusive" - NOT DIVISISE. Now Obama has more states won, more popular vote won, more cacuses won, more pledged delegatds and more superdelegates, so hae has already won the primary - the math has been figured out and there is no way possible for HRC to win. So Obama is going to be the Pres if he wins agaist McCain - that is just the ways things are. So since HRC canot win, she cannot offer Obama the VP slot since he will be the President. That means he will be the person running against McCain. I don't know if Obama would make and offer to HRC to be his VP, but I doubt that he will aince he has a lot of things to discuss with his people before making a decision on a VP. I hope this has helped you somewht! If you need any other answers, let me know as I look here and post almost daily. Thanks to you.

Posted by: ObamasLady, Alexandria, VA | May 13, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Sagi | May 13, 2008 4:12

Sagi, you really have your assumptions wrong. All you need do is look at any of the Obama rallies and you will see faces of every race, every religion, and every nationality who support Obama. So don't just "assume" that he only has AA's supporting him. BTW, I am a 65 year old Latino female and there are many, many others just like me.

Posted by: ObamasGrannyGirl | May 13, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

"It's a fact that Democrats don't get elected unless West Virginia votes for you," Clinton said.

For every state she won (with lots of help from race baiting), you can substitute the name and insert the other state name (PA, OH, TX - popular vote only). But every state has heard this line and so have the voters too many times now!

Posted by: Disparaged | May 13, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has earned the right to fight all the way to the convention! Obama has barely earned the right to run at all! He will never get my vote with his 20 minute record, I don't care what color he is!!!!

Posted by: Sherri | May 13, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Sagi,
why do you suggest that only AfroAmericans are the only ones who will vote for Barack? As you said, the percentages don't add up to the votes he has gotten thus far so obviously a lot more than AfroAmericans are voting for him. And just as people will (and I still don't understand the logic)defect and vote McCain there are just as many Republicans who don't like McCain and will defect and vote for Barack...people tend to underestimate the problems that McCain has within the ranks of his own party

Posted by: Deeze | May 13, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Whether there can be Clinton the President? Yes, easily!
I am a fan of Senator Hillary Clinton and she can win presidential campaign if she can create barrier to the tactical line of the Republicans.It is possible I think so. The tactical line of the Republicans has just two steps but great advantages:
First, help to Sen. Barack Obama to win Democrats Primeries:
Second, in general election B.Obama will beat by John McCain. The nomination B.Obama by Democrats to the final part of election will give to John McCain great advantages:
- B.Obama will be supported just afroamerican. It is about 17% of the USA voters. White voters are not ready for election afroamerican President yet. Interrogation shows, that 18-20 % of B.Obama's voters on primary elections of democrats will support McCain on the general election ( Meet the Press, May 4, 2008);
- B.Obama has not experiences in the field of government works ( opinion of Governer Mitt Romni);
- B.Obama's Program "Change" look like the Program of the former USSR President M.Gorbachev which was named "Perestroika" and as well as can lead to economical crisis. The result of crises in the USSR was collapse that Power Country. To American voters is enough just one question to beat B.Obama from J.McCain supporters: Do you wish collapse for the USA like the USSR? Everybody will say: No!!!!! As it seemes to me the author of this Republicans tactic is Karl Rove, who was a "brain" of Bush's team and won his campaign two times. After resignation he has headed staff of Sen.J.McCain as it seems to me.
But if Sen.H.Clinton will be candidate from Democrats Sen.McCain and his supporters will have great problem and will be beat. The main reason is: white voters will be divided. Exept, Sen. H. Clinton has great state experience: two times she made B.Clinton Governer and two times she made his President of the USA. H.Clinton is outstanding woman. It is undoubtedly. And in the given situation the best decision is the nomination Sen. B.Obama to Vice-President. But Sen. B.Obama has great ambision,unfortunately.Would be very nice if Sen. B.Obama could be have a critical vision himself and adopted suggestion of Sen. Hillary Clinton. In this case Democrats will have great Victory over Republicans in Decision 2008.

Posted by: Sagi | May 13, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Annette,

I am glad that you are voting for a candidate you believe in, I really am...despite all these comments about both candidates from both sides the one thing that neither side can deny is that this years election has brought so many voters that have traditionally not turned out to vote in big numbers but having said that, please understand that just as some people will vote for Barack soley b/c he is black, there are just as many people who will vote for Hillary soley b/c she is a woman and further there are people out there who won't vote for Barack soley because he IS black. The problem is that so often I have heard/read that b/c Barack has garnered so much of the African American vote people are assuming that we are voting for him JUST b/c he is black and as your case proves, that is clearly not correct. And to correct you a little bit on your quote, if you listned correctly you would have heard both Barack AND Hillary say they want to get out of Iraq as soon as possible and they BOTH had to change that a bit b/c it just isn't possible to say on day 1 "OK send all the troops home" that's why he has said "We have to be just as careful getting out of Iraq as were careless getting in" the argument between HRC and BHO is that HRC voted for the War and he was against it from the start. And what exactly would she be filing a discrimination suit about? And all this talk about the media controlling things, well I agree to a point but people have to make up their minds...how is it that this nobody Junior Senator with no experience and no connections can manipulate the media against a vetted, well connected former two term 1st lady. No one was crying foul on the media when the Rev. Wright snippets played every five minutes. And if you read my earlier posts, I still haven't gotten an answer from any HRC supporters that say they will vote McCain if Obama wins and the logic behind that decision. for those who haven't read, I was asking as an undecided voter not understanding your though process: If you are truly an HRC supporter, how can you in good faith vote for her polar opposite in McCain? Barack and Hillary platforms for the most part mirror each other...yes they differ on a few things or they differ on "how" to get there but their basic visions are the same so please explain that to me. And realize also that this division is also going on in the Republican ranks:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/ronpaulgop.html with Ron Paul.

Last thing Annette, I don't know how old you are but some of the reason you (and me, well all of us really) enjoy some of the freedoms we as African American have now (and if you're younger) don't have to deal with Jim Crowe laws and other outward and blatant discriminations that happened to your parents, grandparents etc is because of a man who had a Dream and no experience in leading a civil rights movement that helped to start this country on a path of change. Visionaries like MLK, Malcolm X and so many more went to battle so that one day we could look up and see the possibility of someone who looked like us in a position to be the President, an impossible dream to many of us up intil now. So is there some sense of racial pride going on? Absolutely how could you not have that? This is the first time we've had a chance to vote for someone who looks like us and shares our American experience but that is not the only reason he is getting those votes and it's a slap in the face to assume that the only reason he is getting the "black" vote is because he is black. This man has run a great campaign, he has raised a lot of money, he has brought out new voters and whether he wins or not he is an inspirations to young African American boys and girls who can look up and feel like they actually have a chance to be President one day so don't discount inspiration and speeches and motivation...those things are all quite powerful...so many of our leaders have been terrorized, jailed and killed to give you the right to be able to vote for any candidate you see fit and remember, there is no such thing as a perfect candidate, Barack has "misspoke" just as Hillary has. For every claim that can be made against Barack an equal counter claim can be made about Hillary and for that matter McCain as well. Politics is a dirty game, sometimes you have to give some to get some but by and large it's HRC supporters who say they will vote for McCain if Obama wins and that's why people call it petty and childish...but I want to learn, I'm interested in the logic behind the people who say that so please respond!

Posted by: Deeze | May 13, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse


Annette-- You said, "What happened to voting for the candidate whose experience met the needs of the country? Obama is only offering a dream."

The fact that Obama started his career working with small grassroots campaigns shows that he has real experience working with REAL Americans, not just the fat-wallets in Senate, and he has made an active effort to understand problems that affect America at its very core.

I also find it ironic that you say "Obama is only offering a dream." So was MLK Jr. You may not believe this, but so many people are going to come out in full force who truly believe in this dream. We young people, we people of multiple backgrounds, we people who grew up in a COMPLETELY new and different America than any other previous generation . . . fully understand this dream. It's the one we have grown up idealizing and hoping for, but have yet to see fulfilled in American government. I don't think Hillary understands this dream. A common vision can be extremely powerful, even if you think (and maybe you should read his website, because he actually does develop and outline his plans) it is just ephemeral.

Posted by: krs | May 13, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

As I pointed out on my blog (http://thinmansblog.blogspot.com/2008/05/four-corners.html), Obama's strategy of letting West Virginia go heavily to Clinton and looking the other way could seriously come back and bite him. Sports teams fall into the trap of gliding to the finish far too often. Obama would be wise to at least look like he's trying.

Posted by: Thin Man | May 13, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, Annette, but (unfortunately) anyone qualified to vote can base their SECRET ballot on anything they want -- skin color, gender, religion (even though there's no religious test allowed), flip a coin, if they want -- it's one of the downsides of our democratic Republic.

Posted by: JakeD | May 13, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

JakeD, I agree with you. I can't believe this election; the voters AND the super delegates! I am black, but I do not support Obama. I support the candidate who I feel will best serve OUR COUNTRY--not me. And, I am completely flabbergasted that no one has said anything about racial discrimination. Hillary is getting a bad rap simply because people are blatantly breaking the law by wanting--vocally stating--to "hire" a man because he is black. When did that become legal?? I saw Micheal Myers on Larry King and he stated that this was his reason for supporting Obama. That vote shouldn't count. What happened to voting for the candidate whose experience met the needs of the country? Obama is only offering a dream. He can't do anything, until we fix what the Republicans screwed up, and that will take at least four years to correct. People seem to think he's so honest and are so caught up that they don't even bother listening anymore. If they did, they would hear him say--after promising to "bring the troops home right away if elected"--that now, "we can't do that, it has to be a slow withdrawal." Just when we had a clear shot at getting the country back on track as quickly as possible, these foolish people are buying into Obama who will give us 4 more years of Bush leadership--uncertainty! People really need to wake up! And, if I were Hillary and did not get the nomination, I would file a discrimination suit just on principle.

Posted by: Annette | May 13, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Henry:

Is Obama "declining support" from any of the 92% of African-Americans voting for him (except Rev. Wright, after the fact, of course)?

Posted by: JakeD | May 13, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Now is the time for Mrs. Clinton to begin the leap from politician to Statesperson by declining support of those who elect her because of prejudice.

Posted by: Henry of Staten Island | May 13, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I thought it was too late for Florida and Michigan to re-vote?

Posted by: JakeD | May 13, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

If Hillary wins West Virginia and Kentucky, I strongly suggest that Florida and Michigan should revote before the Democratic convention. Demarcates have to make sure the popular voted candidate get nominated, not let the super delegates to decide who is their nominee. Otherwise, Democrats will be totally in chaos and lose the general election, no matter who is the nominee though Hillary is more likely to win against McCain.

It is not just fair and not democratic that voters in Florida and Michigan are not heard, no matter what happened before the primary and who made the decision to take away the votes from FL and MI.

Let's FL and MI revote, otherwise, let's, the demarcates, not vote at all in general election, or just simply go ahead and vote for McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Actually, her real middle name is DIANE.

Posted by: JakeD | May 13, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Hillary George Wallace Clinton.

Posted by: oldman&theC | May 13, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Sean | May 12, 2008 4:04 PM

Couldn't have said it better Sean!!!!

There's no way I would vote for the inexperienced rookie unless Hillary was also on the ticket.

No Hillary, NO Obama!!!!!

Posted by: Bea | May 13, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

"You are saying that Obama cannot win without you. So if if McBush wins, it will be on your hands. Don't spin your temper tantrum and tried to wash your hands of this. Hand washing did Lady Macbeth a lot of good, didn't it?"

Jeez. Can't Obama-freaks take responsibility for their own actions. You insult Hillary and all of the people who vote for her and you cannot see why they don't back Obama? Obama belittles white working class people and you cannot see why they go 70-30 for Hillary? As far as I am concerned, Obama has never moved past Act 1 in his candidacy. We get Hope and Change, but absolutely no specifics about how to make that a reality. We certainly cannot look in his record for clues because there is no evidence of bipartisan political transcendence there. The truth is: I would only feel comfortable voting for Obama if Hillary was the VP. Otherwise, forget it. You are on your own.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 13, 2008 7:49 AM | Report abuse

all your racist people who hate on obama.your seem to forget obama is half white and was raise in a white household with his mother amd graandparents. if your vote for mcain please don't complain in the next four years when your child is sent to war to die and the country is still in bad shape.

Posted by: michelle | May 13, 2008 7:38 AM | Report abuse

It is time that America learns who Barack Obama really is and how he has risen to power.

He is nothing more than a puppet of the wealthy, elitist far-left that has hijacked the Democratic Party. Read The New American Disenfranchisement and Support The Obama Truth Week at
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com

Posted by: JT | May 13, 2008 7:37 AM | Report abuse

It is time that America learns who Barack Obama really is and how he has risen to power.

He is nothing more than a puppet of the wealthy, elitist far-left that has hijacked the Democratic Party. Read The New American Disenfranchisement and Support The Obama Truth Week at
http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com

Posted by: JT | May 13, 2008 7:30 AM | Report abuse

To WV and KY voters, your choice candidate describes you all as buffoons, (that's an english language word your library assistant can look up and read the definition for you).

Reading most of your posts here, it appears she will get the majority of the buffoonish vote. At least we know what camp we can find you in.

Good luck and I hope you don't accidentally vote for Obama as you try to read your voting ballot.

Posted by: Reggie Boykins | May 13, 2008 4:22 AM | Report abuse

The Clinton's and the KKK will do their WV and KY waltzes right on into oblivion... and the United States will be the better for it.

Posted by: Reggie Boykins | May 13, 2008 4:01 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone have a clue as to what will happen to the minority voters ballots in KKK states like WV and KY? Hillary has clearly indicated that she has no need for those votes.

Posted by: Reggie Boykins | May 13, 2008 3:51 AM | Report abuse

Obama For President ++++Nominee of the Democratic Party2008!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: oldman&theC | May 13, 2008 12:48 AM | Report abuse

You must be one of those hardworking white American Clinton backers that were too lazy to finish high school. The names you suggested aren't running for president.

Posted by: majorteddy | May 13, 2008 12:40 AM | Report abuse

I WILL VOTE FOR TARZAN AND JEAN
I WILL VOTE FOR MAGELLAN AND LAPU-LAPU
I WILL VOTE FERDINAND AND IMELDA MARCOS
BUT NOT FOR BARACK AND MICHELLE OBAMA

Posted by: mila | May 13, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Throw the bumbs out...

Vote Obama '08

Posted by: eljefejesus | May 13, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Hey David,
what exactly qualifies HRC as having all this "experience" everyone is talking about again? And all these people who say that it's "just a speech" well first of all I disagree, second of all a speech has proven to be very powerfull: In sports the coach gives a pregame speech, a halftime speech and an after game speech...in battles, the leader gives his troops a speech before battle, at college graduations there is always a guest speaker to motivate graduates, heck, public speaking is listed as one of the biggest fears so let's not underestimate the power of a speech...also, what's wrong with a little fresh blood and new ideas? Now I don't support any one candidate more than the next, they are all snakes to me but one thing that I don't get about HRC supporters (and someone please answer this for me honestly)is this: if you are truly an HRC supporter and believe in her vision for America, how could you then say if she is not the nominee you will vote for her polar opposite in McCain??? I mean, you might not like Obama, fine, but his vision is more in line with HRC than McCain will ever be, now as I read these comments from HRC supporters (it is mostly HRC supporters who have this, in my opinion, crazy and logic to cut off the nose to spite the face) I just don't really understand the logic here, please help an undecided voter understand your logic because it "sounds" like a kind of sore loser mentality AND McCain might not even win over his own party with his strong ties to Bush, Ron Paul still making a push and the Libetarian nominee will take even more of his votes away. I think that when the emotions die down and everyone sees the vast differences between the Democratic nominee (whoever it is) and McCain's vision for America you will think twice before switching that vote over, but those of you who are really serious please explain your logic to me b/c I'm really honestly curious. And for the last time, Barack is not Muslim (not that anything is wrong with being Muslim in a "free" society), I thought you got that from all the Rev. Wright references. And I guess Oprah is a racist too since she went to that church for a while?

Posted by: Deeze | May 12, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the Wizard of Oz. He is all smoke and mirrors. He is all things to all people. His supporters are so captivated by his speeches that they don't question his actions. A clear headed person can see that he is only a charismatic personality with no record or experience.

Who is this man? He says he is defined by his genetic make-up. His mother was a world-traveling free-spirit who was a serial bride. As a teen, Obama chose to live with his grandparents instead. His grandparents are either members of the Greatest Generation or typical white racists - depending on is audience. At this age, Obama experimented with illegal drugs including marijuana and cocaine.

His record and experience don't define him. He was a community organizer in Chicago. What exactly did he do to make people's lives better? Young African American males are more likely to go to jail than to college. Their is a crisis in the Black community. Obama speaks forcefully when the cameras are on him and the news outlets are aimed at white audiences. He is silent when it comes to the self-assessment the black community must engage in to solve their problems. When he is surrounded by blacks he uses different speech and tone. The Hip Hop references he makes legitimize this destructive cultural phenomenon. He joined Trinity Church after he lost his first bid at office. Reverend Wright's influence and church members were a ready constituency. Wright is well-known for his anti-American and inflammatory sermons;His church and spiritual adviser don't define him.

Who is Obama? He is an illusion. Dig deeper, question him - his campaign will define you as a racist. In American politics, there is no other stronger charge. Obama's white surrogates have shown that they are not afraid of using that option.

Posted by: David | May 12, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

I gotta make this comment too b/c I've seen this all over about Obama and Michelle being anti-american and unpatriotic...are you serious?!? Now, I'm not for either of these candidates but I am of similar background to Obama (my dad is a black man from Detroit and if you read my earlier post you know he is a Col in the Army and my mom is Indonesian but grew up in Holland). I am dark skinned and have always been treated as the "black kid with 'good' hair" so I've identified more with the African American culture. I understand where Michelle Obama and to some extent Rev. Wright is coming from. Think about the racist history of this country towards all minorities, not just blacks. These people grew up in an era where Jim Crowe reigned supreme, grown men were called "boy" sprayed with water hoses bit by police dogs, unjustly prosecuted, had their churches blown up, police brutality etc. where our leaders and role models are locked up or killed, the Tuskeggee experiments (gov't giving black men syphallus to study the effects w/o there knowledge kind of gives room for people to think that AIDS was made by the gov't when there is a precedence for it don't ya think? , a country where war vets come home to a big fat serving of thanks for nothing (Vietnam for example) so to expect that people don't feel a certain amount of bitterness towards their American experience is, in my mind, ludacris. Have things changed over the years? Yes, and some of those thoughts are a little outdated but let's not all act like the playing field has been leveled...it's 2008 and we're still talking about the firsts: fist black head coach in the NFL to win a SuperBowl (meanwhile Norv Turner just seems to find job after job), first black to own an NBA team (Bob Johnson). AND we have had things in very recent memory ("Jena 6", the 18 year old black H.S. football player sentenced to a mandatory sentence of 10 years for having consentual sex with a 16 year old white classmate and charged with child molestation, less than 10 years ago a black man in Texas was tied to the back of a truck and dragged to death by white men yelling racial slurs the admittance by the CIA that they were pumping drugs into the African American community etc. etc) so yes, there is some bitterness and misunderstanding on all fronts but we still love this country, just maybe not always proud of what this country has done and some of the hypocracy of this country (for so long it was "land of the free...as long as your white and to a large extent a white male). And to suggest that the chickens won't come home to roost is just another way of saying do unto others as you want done to you...now if you look at some of the things America has done to other countries, to assume that there will never be consequences of those actions is a bit of wishful thinking don't you think? What happened on Sept 11th was a tragedy, I was here in DC when it happened but that is nothing compared to what some of these citizens of countries we have "occupied" have had to face and that is just a cold hard fact. So just b/c people aren't proud of all the things America has stood for doesn't mean their not proud to be American and see America for what it could be if we stop all the silliness.

Posted by: Deeze | May 12, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

What a loser John Edwards is. He just doesn't "get it," does he?

First of all, he tells Hillary Clinton to get out of the race, on Mother's Day, how callous can a guy get?

Second, here his wife has cancer and knows how important universal health care is. Elizabeth endorses Hillary's health care plan. Rather than support his wife's interest in Hillary's health care plan - which Elizabeth says is the best, he under cuts Elizabeth and tries to help Obama force her out of the race.

We know what happened when Edwards and Obama piled on Hillary in the NH debate - they both lost. gw.

Posted by: Iowatreasures | May 12, 2008 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I think we should do away with the stupid 2 party system...maybe a better way is to do it american idol style and have people call in to vote.
There are a lot of Obama supporters disrespecting Hillary supporters and vice versa and that is NOT what this process is supposed to be about, it's about the issues WAKE UP PEOPLE, THEY PIT US AGAINST EACH OTHER OVER DUMB THINGS LIKE RACE AND FLAG LAPELS AND PREACHERS AND OLD CHILD HOOD FRIENDS SO THAT WE DON'T FOLLOW THE REAL ISSUES!!! America, land of the free? This country spends more money on prisons than on schools, sound likes freedom to me! Every year we find more and more reasons to lock people up for longer sentences to get the free labor of prisoners (slaves) b/c we are so knee deep in debt. Every year the retirement age goes up and up so that we can work longer to pay off the countries debt (more slave labor). Americans take less vacation time than anyone else in the modern world. Health care IS important but I don't want anyone telling me I HAVE to have it if I don't want it...that's not freedom. like car insurance, I pay it every month since age 15 but when I get in an accident at age 25 my rates go up AND I have to pay a deductible?!? what a scam. Anyone with kids knows how expensive child care is, now the average work day ends when, between 4-8 pm while the average school gets out at what 2-3?!? Even getting out that early, it's not even safe for our kids to go to school these days, whether you live in a poor city or the suburbs it doesn't escape you. IF both parents are present they are usually both working to make ends meet. I pay more in gas for a month than my car note?!? But we're worried about flag lapels and pastors and name origins?!? This is the Democracy we push to the world?!? Please wake up and stop attacking each other because in the end, black, white, young, old, "educated" or otherwise (and I put educated in "'s b/c my mom never finished H.S. but she is one of the smartest people I know, speaks 7 languages and has bust her butt to raise a family, my dad is a Col in the Army and went in Enlisted so has served his country proudly for over 30 years) but in the end we all want the same things: a better life for us and our kids. WE might have different ideas on how to get there but we want the same things but we have got to start holding our elected officials accountable, stop letting corporate america run AMERICA, start holding ourselves accountable and stop always pointing the finger when things don't go our way. The government has proven that they don't have our best interest at heart (that's why New Orleans is still in shambles amongst other things), so we have to do it ourselves. But that can't happen if the conversation is "Oh, she needs to drop out of the race because she and her followers are crazy" or "he has a racist pastor (which I don't agree with but that's another post) and doesn't where a flag lapel AND his middle name is Hussein" How about "How are you going to secure our borders, lower crime rates, increase education, stabalize the economy and get us out of debt"???

Posted by: Deeze | May 12, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

DON'T BE DUPED !!!

IT'S ABOUT ELECTABILITY !!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. With Hillary Clinton you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. "Carpe diem" (harvest the day). You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don't want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama's. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses, and open primaries where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help. Except North Carolina where 35% of the population is African American, and approximately 90% of them block voted for him. African Americans are only approximately 17% of the general population.

Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! OUT GUNNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. That is crystal clear now. Because all of the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. And the demographics, and experience are completely against him. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is.

You will have another McGovern catastrophe where George McGovern lost 49 of 50 states. And was the reason the super-delegates were created to keep that from happening again. Don't let that happen to the party and America again super-delegates. You have the power to prevent it. The only important question now is who can best win in November. And the answer is HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON. That fact is also now crystal clear.

And YOUNG PEOPLE. DON'T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose. As do African Americans. Support Hillary Clinton. She will do her best for all of you. And she will know how to best get it done on day one.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.

The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton's have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic, and heroic comebacks of Hillary Clinton's. Only the Clinton's are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen. Probably the best there has ever been. Maybe it's time for Hillary to start thinking about switching to an INDEPENDENT run for the presidency. Wipe the slate clean. After all she is running to be the President of all the people. Hillary, Bill, and Chelsea would cream everyone. You know it's true. :-)

"This is not a game" (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith... Working Class :-)

p.s. I have been under heavy attacks for some time now. But it wont stop me. :-)

Posted by: jacksmith | May 12, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Jim, age 63, Catholic:

You call Obama an African-American. That is not correct. Obama is an ARAB-American. Obama's father was an Arab. His mother white. The Kenya Government, where he has citizenship, has recorded him as 43.5% Arab, 6.5% African, and 50% White - American.

Obama also has citizenship in the U.S. My problem with all this is that Obama's mother was radically anti-american and Obama has heard the Rev. Wright rhetoric all his life, from Day One, when he was born.

Obama has hung around with anti-Americans his whole entire life - no wonder Rev. Wright's sermons didn't bother him, and his wife's never been proud of this country her entire adult life.

The Obama's come from a radical anti-American background, and they show their immaturity when Michelle rants and gets angry, and when Obama gives people the finger. He did that to Hillary, and to a reporter, and I saw a photo on my Google Alert article that showed Obama giving his wife, Michelle, the finger when they were attending a dinner somewhere - It was an older photo, but she was ready to explode with anger and he was angry also.

I don't want an angry, immature, anti-American couple in the White House. gw.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Would you vote for a Jew in WVA.?

Posted by: hammerdown | May 12, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I would vote for birth control of inbred trailer trash.

Posted by: hammerdown | May 12, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Kool-Kalm-Kollected WVA. for Hillary.

Posted by: hammerdown | May 12, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama supporters are stupid idiots. I hope they all die before November!!!!

Posted by: lionred | May 12, 2008 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Hey Shrillbillary,
Both of your posts are typical Obama supporter. And I am an EDUCATED upper income voter and would not vote for Obama. And certainly never dream of talking about the people of the state of West Virginia in the manner that you just did! And as far as needing the AA vote and EDUCATED white voter, look at the POLLS and at the General Election MAP!
You are asking the wrong question! The REAL question is, Does Obama and his campaign REALLY believe they can win without the Hillary voters? And the answer is NO! And if Obama REALLY cared, he should have left his racist church 10 years ago, written TWO books that are PRO America and pro ALL Americans and not had a wife NEVER proud of her own country until she is in her middle forties! And asking ANY voter that is not AA to vote for him is equivelant to asking AA's to vote for some type of David Duke candidate. We would NEVER ASK and more important, we would NEVER VOTE for him! So what are you thinking?
IT IS TOO LATE FOR OBAMA! And running down to Florida and Michigan NOW is just what Obama is all about, hypocracy at its worst.

Posted by: Core Democrat | May 12, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Thank You West Virginia for voting for Hillary Clinton! Yes, she is the BEST candidate for the job! Thank you!

Posted by: Core Democrat | May 12, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I WOULD VOTE FOR BIGFOOT.
BUT NOT FOR OBAMA.

Posted by: DUNEK | May 12, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I WOULD VOTE FOR REPULSION.

BUT NOT FOR OBAMA.

Posted by: LANEI | May 12, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

i will vote for omar-al bashir
{sudan}

BUT NOT FOR OBAMA.

Posted by: Mark | May 12, 2008 6:53 PM | Report abuse

I WOULD VOTE FOR SEYED ALI KITAMANEI (IRANLEADER}

NOT FOR OBAMA

Posted by: JAMIL | May 12, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I WOULD VOTE FOR THE WICKER MAN.
BUT NOT FOR OBAMA.

Posted by: TOLLISON | May 12, 2008 6:50 PM | Report abuse

I WOULD VOTE FOR PEEPING TOM.
BUT NOT OBAMA.

Posted by: DOMENIKA | May 12, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

This is the woman you will vote for..... Sen. Hillary Clinton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq8aopATYyw&feature=related

Posted by: Chrys | May 12, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Good for Hillary. She deserves every vote she gets and more!

I also would like to know what happened at the Tony Rezco trial. Why did this bit of news get erased from the Media's reports.
Who is hiding what. Obama was very close friends with this crook. He admitted he made a mistake in his judgement by being h=buddy-buddy with Rezko. Thats the 2nd biggest mistake in judgement of endorsers.First, of course is our ANTI AMERICAN FREAK, PASTOR WRIGHT AND THE SECOND MISTAKE IN GOOD JUDGEMENT IS TONY REZKO. wE WONT EVEN TOUCH ON THE FARRAHKAN AND THE ISLAMIC NATION.

WHAT IN THE WORLD WOULD HE DO TO CORRECT HIS BAD JUDGEMENTS AS PRESIDENT. !!!!!

AS FAR AS EDWARDS IS CONCERNED, HE COULDN"T GET HIMSELF ARRESTED. ACTUALLY, HIS OPINIONS POLITICALLY ARE LOUSY! and just not worth more than the paper it is printed on!

OBAMA COME CLEAN, IF YOU CAN. TONY BOY HAS SOMETHING UP HIS SLEEVE, AND AMERICANS HAVE THE RIGHT TO KNOW ALL THEIR DIRTY LITTLE SECRETS BEFORE PEOPLE MAKE DAMM FOOLS OF THEMSELVES FOR THE THIRD TIME AROUND AT THE POLLS!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: lynn parker | May 12, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I will vote for Vladamir Putin, but not for Obama.

Posted by: Drew | May 12, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I WOULD VOTE FOR ALIENS.
BUT NOT FOR OBAMA

Posted by: SHRIN | May 12, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I WOULD VOTE FOR ROSEMARY'S BABY.

BUT NOT FOR OBAMA

Posted by: LYNCH | May 12, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I WOULD VOTE FOR THE THING (MOVIE)
NOT FOR OBAMA.

Posted by: JEROME | May 12, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

I WILL VOTE FOR BRIDE OF FRANKENSTEIN.
BUT NOT FOR obama

Posted by: RENSTROM | May 12, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I WILL VOTE FOR ROBERT MUGABE FROM ZIMBABWE
BUT NOT FOR OBAMA.

Posted by: Valerie | May 12, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I WILL VOTE FOR KING KONG.
BUT NOT OBAMA.

Posted by: PATRICIA | May 12, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

I WILL VOTE FOR KIM JONG-IL
BUT NOT OBAMA

Posted by: GREAG | May 12, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

I WILL VOTE FOR PSYCHO.
BUT NOT OBAMA

Posted by: LAM | May 12, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I would vote for the Paraclete Of Kaborka...but not Obama...seriously...

Posted by: Raconteur | May 12, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

HELLO JIMI,

SORRY WV VOTED FOR JFK BECUASE HE WAS A GREAT MAN. MR OABAMA IS A LOSER THERE'S NO 90% WHO VOTE BY RACE IN WV.
NO LUCK FOR YOUR USED CAR SALES MAN IN WV.

Posted by: LILA | May 12, 2008 6:15 PM | Report abuse

i will vote for IDI AMIN.
i will vote for MAO TSE TUNG.
i will vote for POL POT.
i will vote for JOSEPH STALIN.
i will vote for GENGHIS KHAN.
i will vote for IVSN THE TERRIBLE.
i will vote for REV WRIGHT.
i will vote for ALL SHARPTON.
i will vote for O.J.
i will vote for MICHELL JACKSON.

""'''''' BUT NOT FOR OBAMA""''''''

Posted by: IWILLVOTE | May 12, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

i will vote for OJ but not Obama X2

i have a t shirt with Ted Kennedy and OJ on it that says Vodka OJ. That's the ticket...

Posted by: Nobama | May 12, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

An appeal to West Virginia voters' courage and wisdom:

48 years ago you voted for John Kennedy in your primary election. That WV primary was a turning point in US history, proving Protestant voters would accept a Roman Catholic, i.e. someone different. Let's show similar courage and wisdom by voting for Sen. Obama, whose race happens to be mixed African/Caucausian, i.e. someone different.

Let's move toward the future, not the past. Obama is a visionary leader whose skills include combining ideas with practioal solutions. He has energized voters and shown great insight into the toughest issues, both foreign and domestic.

Posted by: Jim (age 63, Catholic) | May 12, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I WILL VOTE FOR BUSH.

BUT NOT FOR OBAMA

Posted by: GOP | May 12, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

I WILL VOTE FOR KING OF ZOMONDA.

BUT NOT FOR OBAMA

Posted by: funnyman | May 12, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I WILL VOTE FOR FLAVER FLAV WHO JUST LOOK LIKE OBAMA.

" but not for Obama"

Posted by: lila | May 12, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

it's quite embarrassing for Hillary that she relies on "The Cletus Vote" and yet is still losing on all fronts.

Posted by: strom | May 12, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

i will vote for rev Wright,allsharpton,
jessi jackson, and all the other used car sales mens.

but not for obama

Posted by: niceday | May 12, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Hee haw Hillary going after the green teeth vote. But West Virginia is the crazy uncle America tries its best to hide. We keep them isolated so they cannot breed outside their confines and dumb down the rest of the citizenry. Kind of like the grid the Ghostbusters used. Crazy Hillary is letting them out!

Posted by: Dueling Banjos | May 12, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

II WILL VOTE FOR IVAN THE TERRIBLE

BUT NOT FOR OBAMA

Posted by: SANDY | May 12, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I WILL VOTE FOR JOSEPH STALIN.

"BUT NOT FOR OBAMA

Posted by: LEADER | May 12, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

I WILL VOTE FOR POL POT.
BUT NOT FOR OBAMA.

Posted by: KAKER | May 12, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse


I WILL VOTE FOR GENGHIS KHAN.

BUT NOT FOR OBAMA

Posted by: SMITH | May 12, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I will vote for MAO TSE-TUNG.
BUT NOT FOR OBAMA

Posted by: joelop | May 12, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

I will vote for IDI AMIN
but not for Obama

Posted by: bibijan | May 12, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

it is so sad to see americans voting based on speaches, expirience!!! is all that matters! for me its hillary and no other way!!!! and by the way mike mcnally i am black! its just plain and simple to me expirience is a must, thats the problem with some african americans they think everyone is out to get them, stop feeling sorry for yourself because your black. if you were getting heart surgery and you had a choice between a rookie black surgen and a white experienced one, i bet u wouldent be choosing based on race. stupid thinking like yours is one of the reasons others think black people are not smart. stop cryeng race all the time. oh! and by the way white middle class americans support hillary not poor white people, the sad truth is latinos and blacks are most likely to be poor and on welfare or in jail, thats why everyday of my life i work hard and dont walk around moping because im black, and when i vote i vote using my head.

Posted by: jackie | May 12, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

i will vote for OJ but not Obama.

Posted by: newof theday | May 12, 2008 5:40 PM | Report abuse

you take out the racist vote by blacks
Obama rev Wright zero.

Posted by: niceday | May 12, 2008 5:37 PM | Report abuse

HILLIARY DEMOCRATS ARE NOW GOING FOR MCCAIN!!!! WE WILL CHANGE OUR REGISTRATION TO INDEPENDENT - NO TO OBAMA - SICK OF HIM ALREADY - MCCAIN FOR PRESIDENT

Posted by: LYNN | May 12, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey Guys;
Hillary needs Obama and Obama needs Hillary.
Get used to it, and expect some sort of deal to be made within the next few weeks. The Democratic Party are not stupid. They are just playing games with the american voters. Letting everything play out and then, maybe just then they will sit Hillary and Obama down and step in.
DEMOCRATICS NEED TO WIN IN THE FALL..SIMPLE

Posted by: The Fat Lady Singth | May 12, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

how come when 90% of one race vote for there race. no one has the ball to ask what you call that.

OBama+rev wright= losers
MR PRESIDENT McCAIN say hello

Posted by: newof theday | May 12, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

I speak as a loyal Democrat and Obama supporter from West Virginia. I fear that he made a big mistake by not campaigning here. He has reinforced his "liberal elitism" and, unfortunately, his loud-mouthed supporters who have used this and other blogs to poke fun at Mountain people have done the same. Very sad. Could Hillary and/or her supporters ignore and ridicule black voters in this way and get away with it?

Posted by: Chris | May 12, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

MR. RUSSERT: "Just looking at the facts, he"--Barack Obama--"the presumptive nominee." Fair?

MR. McAULIFFE: First off, no one is the nominee. Everyone needs to be clear, until someone gets the magic number of the delegates, 2209, you are not the nominee of the Democratic Party. Right now, Tim, you have seen in these contests you've had 35 million people vote. If you take everyone who pushed a button for Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, 16.6 million for Hillary Clinton, 16.7 million for Barack Obama. That is a difference of 100,000 votes out of 35 million.

MR. RUSSERT: You're counting Florida and Michigan.

Mr. McAULIFFE: Sure I am, they voted. There's no question they voted, they were certified at the county level and the state level. They voted. I'm not talking about delegates. But they voted.

MR. RUSSERT: But Obama's name wasn't on the ballot in Michigan.

MR. McAULIFFE: And that was a political decision he made to pull his name off the ballot.

MR. RUSSERT: All right.

MR. McAULIFFE: Let's be clear. He was on the ballot, he took his name off to appease Iowa and New Hampshire. It was a political decision, I'm fine with that. But they voted, two and a half million people. And the Rules and Bylaws Committee will meet on the 31st to determine their status. But just remember. Who voted? A difference of 100,000 out of 35 million.

MR. RUSSERT: Looking at the math...

MR. McAULIFFE: Sure.

MR. RUSSERT: Since Super Tuesday, Obama's gotten 104 superdelegates, Clinton's gotten 16.

MR. McAULIFFE: Yeah.

MR. RUSSERT: Since Tuesday's primary in Indiana, North Carolina, Obama's got 18 superdelegates.

MR. McAULIFFE: Mm-hmm.

MR. RUSSERT: Clinton's won 25. Don Fowler, former Democratic Party chairman...

MR. McAULIFFE: Yeah. Good friend.

MR. RUSSERT: ...passionate Hillary Clinton supporter.

MR. McAULIFFE: Mm-hmm.

MR. RUSSERT: Quote: "The trickle is going to become an avalanche of superdelegates going to Obama."

MR. McAULIFFE: Has it become an avalanche today? No. Did it become an avalanche after Tuesday, when you and others were all on the air saying it was over? No. Which should make you say something. We are now coming up to West Virginia on Tuesday. The last poll had Hillary up 43 points. She's up 40 points in Kentucky. What does it say for the candidate that you say has won the nomination that he can't win two states that Bill Clinton carried in 1992 and 1996? We lost them in 2000 and 2004. This is our point: Hillary Clinton in the general election can beat John McCain. She beats him in Florida, she beats him in Ohio, she beats him in Missouri. This is about winning the election on November 4th in helping the down-ballot races. She has won those 20 congressional districts that are key to us winning to keep the House of Representatives.

MR. RUSSERT: The Clinton campaign says it's the media. What we did is add up the delegates...

MR. McAULIFFE: Mm-hmm.

MR. RUSSERT: ...call Clinton supporters and say, "Is the math there?" Clinton supporters said "No." You heard Rahm Emanuel, an objective viewer, I think, on this.

MR. McAULIFFE: Sure.

MR. RUSSERT: John Edwards, who's been neutral on all this...

MR. McAULIFFE: Yep. Mm-hmm.

MR. RUSSERT: ...was on the "Today" show and said this:

(Videotape, Friday)

FMR. SEN. JOHN EDWARDS (D-NC): Well, I think right now Barack Obama has a better chance because it looks like he's going to be the nominee.

(End videotape)

MR. RUSSERT: About an hour later, he was on MSNBC "Morning Joe."

MR. McAULIFFE: Yeah.

MR. RUSSERT: He said this.

MR. McAULIFFE: Yeah.

(Videotape, Friday)

FMR. SEN. EDWARDS: I've watched Barack Obama come out of nowhere, which is basically what he did.

MS. MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Isn't that amazing? Yeah.

FMR. SEN. EDWARDS: And he is clearly the likely nominee at this point.

MS. BRZEZINSKI: So who you voted for is who you'll endorse?

FMR. SEN. EDWARDS: I'd say highly likely, yes.

(End videotape)

MR. McAULIFFE: Likely nominee? That's not the actual nominee. All I can tell you, Tim, is we have seven million Democrats. We have a million-one in West Virginia. We have a million-six in Kentucky. We have 2.4 million Democrats in Puerto Rico. Seven million have yet to vote. Let's let them vote. We have been in this for 17 months. We only have three weeks to go. Let the voters vote and make a decision. Let me ask you -- I know it's your show -- you think it's impossible for Hillary Clinton to be the nominee? Impossible?

MR. RUSSERT: Look, look, I'm going to stay with the questions.

MR. McAULIFFE: OK, but well, I'll just say it's not impossible. Did you count the Buffalo Bills out in 1993 when the Houston Oilers were beating them by 32 points in the third quarter?

MR. RUSSERT: What--but--all right, then, well, tell me the...

MR. McAULIFFE: No!

MR. RUSSERT: Tell me the path to the nomination. What percentage...

MR. McAULIFFE: Yeah.

MR. RUSSERT: ...of elected delegates would she have to get in order to win?

MR. McAULIFFE: Yeah. Here's what we have to do. By the end of this process, Tim, I believe we will be ahead in the popular vote. I believe that within the delegates it will be within 100. Out of over 4,000 delegates chosen she will have been ahead in the popular vote, more people will have voted for Hillary Clinton. Then the argument's got to be for the remaining superdelegates, who is it that can best win the general election. She's going to win West Virginia. She's going to win Kentucky. We win Florida. We win Ohio. Those are important considerations.

This race is tight. All I'm telling Democrats out there today is, let's let the next three weeks go. And I tell Democrats, they need to stand down, not tell Hillary Clinton. She has 16.6 million very passionate supporters. We want to make sure at the end of this process, Tim, we as Democrats are all together. Sometimes we like to drive that car over the cliff of the Democratic Party. This is a very fragile time.

MR. RUSSERT: But, but you will admit that she cannot overtake Barack Obama with elected delegates.

MR. McAULIFFE: Very--highly unlikely.

MR. RUSSERT: That--impossible?

MR. McAULIFFE: Nothing's impossible. Look, tomorrow--something new could happen. Nothing's impossible. You are talking to Terry McAuliffe. I don't believe anything in life is impossible.

MR. RUSSERT: But you would need an act of God or for something catastrophic to happen to the Obama campaign.

MR. McAULIFFE: Sure, something big would have to happen, I will give you that, absolutely.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24564374/page/2/

Good points, actually.

Posted by: JakeD | May 12, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

obama pick DON KING as his VP
but MICHELLE wants FLAVER FLAV

what all of who support Obama thinks
plese let him know

Posted by: newof theday | May 12, 2008 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Obama will not win the general election against McCain. Obama 08 = Dukakis 88. Heck, McCain even has a chance of winning Massachusetts against Obama!

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

LW:

That was definitely the "preliminary" vote -- the RULES also provide for a 50% penalty but both Michigan and Florida were stripped of 100% of their delegates -- unless Hillary DIANE Clinton concedes, this issue is going to the Convention floor.

Posted by: JakeD | May 12, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) - Governor Manchin is taking offense to an upcoming film that uses negative stereotypes of West Virginians.

The horror thriller "Shelter" is recruiting extras with unusual physical features for a scene in a West Virginia "holler." Those scenes are scheduled to be shot starting Sunday in the Pittsburgh area.

The casting call says the film is looking for extras who are extraordinarily tall or short, those with unusual body shapes and unusual facial features, and even people with physical abnormalities.

Posted by: Pete | May 12, 2008 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Brandon:

I'm hoping for the bombshell at the end of October ; )

Posted by: JakeD | May 12, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

JakeD - For clarity's sake, the Democratic Party does, in fact, have a current number... 2025. The Rules & Bylaws Committee voted to strip Michigan and Florida's delegates. That ruling created the current, IN FACT (as you like to say), number. Until any change occurs, again by vote, the 2025 number stands.

Posted by: LW | May 12, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Neither candidate will have enough "pledged" delegates to secure the nomination.. so it will be up to "super delegates" who can change their mind at anytime, including at the convention. What other little secrets will America learn about Obama over the next couple of months? Will Reverend Wright or Otis Moss go on another anti-America tirade? Will McCain take a big lead over OBama in head to head general election polls? And still what about Florida and Michigan? Anything can happen before the convention. Hillary would be foolish to give up.. there's too many question marks with Obama, and I would not be surprised if there was bombshell right before the convention that makes it impossible to nominate OBama.

Posted by: Brandon | May 12, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) - Governor Manchin is taking offense to an upcoming film that uses negative stereotypes of West Virginians.

The horror thriller "Shelter" is recruiting extras with unusual physical features for a scene in a West Virginia "holler." Those scenes are scheduled to be shot starting Sunday in the Pittsburgh area.

The casting call says the film is looking for extras who are extraordinarily tall or short, those with unusual body shapes and unusual facial features, and even people with physical abnormalities.

Posted by: Pete | May 12, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

M. Stratas:

It's not "too late" for her -- neither candidate is going to get to 2,025 or 2,209 without the super delegates -- see my posts (below) regarding Rule & Bylaws Committee / Credentials Committee.

Posted by: JakeD | May 12, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Too late for Hillary. Besides, she is passe in the same manner the Rove is passe. The poor hardworking white is not valid as the swing bloc; who cares if they don't want to participate in the elections if Hillary is not the nominee. This group of people have been been voting Republican for the past decade & that's why they are stagnating. If they have brains, these poor white would have figured out that the Republicans constitute the real ruling elite, wealthy people who do not care whether the poor eat or not. 2008 is the election of the 21st century, there are young intelligent voters who are the game changers. These people do not gay about gay/not gay, white/black, red/blue, liberal/conservative. Obama is bringing AMerica to the 21st century.

Posted by: M. Stratas | May 12, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Keep beating that Michigan/Florida miracle win for Hillary, she is not going to be running against McCain.

It's Monday...is McCain for or against the environment?

Posted by: JakeD: the GOP called...your check bounced | May 12, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Deeze:

I don't mind talking "real" issues too. As for how people "take" me stating TRUE FACTS, I can't worry about their reaction.

Posted by: JakeD | May 12, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

and no I didn't know Hussein meant handsome in Arabic...interesting point! But you do understand how people take that right?

Posted by: Deeze | May 12, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, the assertion that the more educated you are, you vote for Obama, the less educated you are, you vote for Hillary, is proven by the support WV is throwing Hillary.

Posted by: Fred Evil | May 12, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm just saying, flag lapels, trips and sniper fire, McCain didn't vote for Bush blah blah blah...none of this crap matters! We want to blame the media for it's coverage but we continue to watch...We have the power to change the way the media reports...don't watch it and the rating will plunge and they will fix it because the only true metric that seems to matter in this country is money...all this talk about who is elitist...who even says that other than elitist?!? I've never even heard that until this campaign season. All these fools have more money than the average Joe they claim to represent and none of them know what it's like in our shoes. McCain married rich (smart guy:P) and gets praised as a war hero but how long ago was that?!? The Clintons are trying to become the first U.S. royal family (Chelsea will be running soon enough) and Barack obviously has some issues of his own but they continue to divert our attentions to what is really going on and important by having us fight over silly stuff like race (like anyone has any control over that), flag lapels (am I unpatriotic b/c I don't wear one?) and it's just stupid that we spend time on that crap instead of what is really going to get us out of this mess. We owe China so much money it's ridiculous. The Federal Reserve is the dumbest thing (for every dollar we print there is interest, so the more money we print to get ourselves out of debt the further we put ourselves in debt which is why the dollar isn't worth anything...Let's talk about the real issues here that's all I'm saying

Posted by: Deeze | May 12, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

If HRC is up by 30 points in WV, why isn't she in Oregon where she's behind. I understand the media hype is something she's hoping for, but practically, OR is where she should be.

As such, I think, after a bit of grandstanding for WV, she will finally humble herself and concede.

Posted by: ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead | May 12, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

For all you Clinton Lovers, news flash!!
Hillary will not win with Obama supporters either.
As I see it, she only cherishes the white women 65 of age, uneducated whites and blue-collar workers. Ok, that leave the other half of the population. Educated white women, African Americans, Educated Hispanics, Jews, White-collar workers and least not forget college campus full of young democratics and young republicans.
The average college democratics are already stating they will gladly switch parties if Hillary wins. Are these people not worthy of her praise?
Hillary Has a lot of A... Kissing to do before November to earn our votes.

Posted by: The Fat Lady Singth | May 12, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

VoteBoth promotes the Dysfunctional Drama Team of Obama and the Clintons on one ticket. I say Clintons plural 'cause you don't get just one. This is a terrible idea. Obama would spend all his time and energy fighting with them and the Nation would be a nervous wreck waiting for Obama to be found dead in the park like Vince Foster.

Posted by: x32792 | May 12, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Correction: Ron ERNEST Paul has 26 pledged delegates; John REID Edwards has 19.

Posted by: JakeD | May 12, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Who knew the party of the people would end up so vehemently in the land of ego and cheap debate. Novemeber is coming. Let's get our act together.

Posted by: K | May 12, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey Foster, JakeD is like the smelly runs you get while heaving!

Posted by: Peeeuuuu | May 12, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Deeze:

Do you think that Obama cannot win because of John Edwards (he has more pledged delegates than Ron Paul)? As for Obama's middle name, I just like imparting little-known information -- for instance, did you know that HUSSEIN mean "handsome" in Arabic? Now you do.

Jesus:

Thanks for the input : )

Posted by: JakeD | May 12, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Julie:

It's no "too late" -- it ain't over until the lady in the pantsuit says it is -- that's what I am pointing out (below).

Posted by: JakeD | May 12, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I kept my middle name a secret for 2,000 years, but after reading y'all's minds, and knowing where the conversation was going, I just had to speak up. For the record, Jake BUTTMUNCH D has not the slightest idea what he's talking about... nor does he have any interest in getting one.

I have spoken.

Posted by: Jesus HUSSEIN Christ | May 12, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Hillary is like the dry heaves after a night of heavy drinking, where drips of acid-filled bile make their way into your mouth. Bush was the throw-up taste in your mouth before the bile made its way up.

On the other hand, Obama is the refreshing cleansing of the palette.

Posted by: Foster B | May 12, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

"The 8 more years of McBush will be on your hands."

You are saying that Obama cannot win without you. So if if McBush wins, it will be on your hands. Don't spin your temper tantrum and tried to wash your hands of this. Hand washing did Lady Macbeth a lot of good, didn't it?

Posted by: ShrillBillyary Supporters Need More Meds | May 12, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

How exactly is McCain gonna beat Obama when he doesn't even have the full backing of his own Party??? Ron Paul is still winning votes and the Libetarian candidate will take even more votes away from McCain...and why do some of you insist on making a big deal of Barack "HUSSEIN" Obama's name? I mean, make up your mind, you try to play on the whole Islamic, Middle Eastern ties by mentioning his name origin while at the same time slamming him for remarks that his Pastor made. Stop with the dirty tactics let's just vote on policy and vision for a change, regardless of who you vote for these kind of tactics have no place in politics and is the reason so many people are turned off to it. Let's vote and talk about the issues, I don't care if his name was Hussein bin Hitler if he plans on taking the country in the direction it needs to go, what does his name matter, what does his pastor matter, what does her "misremembering" a trip to Bosnia matter and what does the fact that he was a POW 5 thousand years ago matter? How are they gonna get us out of this mess the other guy you voted in for two terms got us in???

Posted by: Deeze | May 12, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Enough Hillary:

All I said was "IF Democratic leaders agree to seat the Florida and Michigan delegations, they would indeed need 2,209 votes ..." (Emphasis Added).

Posted by: JakeD | May 12, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

My opinion on Hillary for VP, is don't ask. Honestly, Obama has more important work to do than referee the Clintons. Just ask Al Gore what he loved best about serving as Bill's VP...I bet it wasn't having Hillary butting in.

Posted by: Joyce | May 12, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Hillary has been out of step from the start. First, she went left, which proved disastrous for her. Then, she went to the center and made a hypocrite of herself. Now it's too late for her to beat Obama.

Posted by: Julie | May 12, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

JakeD,

Then by your own admission neither is 2209 since NO number has been decided. Either way she is still further away with no chance of mathematically catching him unless they all fall her way. But why are we arguing? It's over anyway.

Posted by: Enough Hillary | May 12, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

ShrillBillyary Supporters Need Stronger Meds:

Too bad the Patriots weren't able to declare victory after the 3rd quarter, huh?

Posted by: JakeD | May 12, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Sean,

You are right. He cannot unite people that already have their mind made up that they will not support him. But the racial lines were drawn by Hillary and her supporters not by Barack. You guys are quick to point to racism while you ignore the very words that spew from your own mouths.

Posted by: Enough Hillary | May 12, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Enough Hillary:

No final decision has been made on Florida and Michigan. In fact, Howard Dean has pledged to seating delegates from both States. So, "no" that's not the number the Democratic Party is using.

Posted by: JakeD | May 12, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Note to Obamatards:

You will lose the election without Hillary's supporters. From these posts, it seems, despite your supposedly superior intellect (and I am very dubious), you haven't seen the light. It's not only on this blog, it's happening all over the internet. The more you insult Hillary and her supporters, the faster they are defecting to McCain.

Posted by: Axelrod | May 12, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

"Well, you have to give us something. This has been the closest Democratic primary in years."

Spoken like a true ShrillBillyary supporter. You HAVE TO GIVE US SOMETHING? Are you kidding me? This is exactly what got the Queen in trouble. She thought she was owed the nomination.

We will give you something - an end to 8 years of corruption, destruction of the Constituion, pillaging of the public coffers. What exactly is owed to Hillary? Maybe somebody should call the New York Giants and tell them to give back the Lombardi trophy - after all, New england had the better record and made the Super Bowl close, so therefore they are more deserving.

Obama is proving himself to be spineless because he's not offering ShrillBillyary the VP? You people are crazy. And your refusal to supporter the winner just shows you're spoiled brats and sore losers, and prefer to put your own selfish needs above those of the country.

Posted by: ShrillBillyary Supporters Need Stronger Meds | May 12, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

P.S. to Joyce -- that's based on 2,025 total delegates -- no final decision has been made on Florida and Michigan. In fact, Howard Dean has pledged to seating delegates from both States.

Posted by: JakeD | May 12, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

To all you Hillary supporters who are going to vote for McCain if Hillary loses. Go ahead. You'll be doing us a favor. Many Republicans and Independents are smart enough to vote for Obama, so the deficit will probably be overcome. If McCain should happen to become our next president, we will be better off than if it was Hillary. With a democratic congress, Hillary will use extortion by threatening political suicide to any Democrat who doesn't agree with her policies. All Obama supporters will be marginalized just from her hateful vengeance. She will start right in bombing Iran, and possibly invading them. She will give the insurance companies a blank check to charge us whatever they want. She'll make it a law so that we have to. If McCain becomes the next president, he'll be an empty suit. The Democratic congress should be able to block anything they want to. The only big losers will be the Clintonistas who will now longer have the right to choose after McCain ruins the Supreme Court. So go ahead and come out of your closets and become neo-cons. You march right back into the minority; just like the Democrats have been in for the past 8 years.

Posted by: MikeMcNally | May 12, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Offer it why? She has not really earned it. Why must he constantly ask her?

BTW Jake, 2209 is a Hillary number 2025 is the number the Democratic party is using.

Posted by: Enough Hillary | May 12, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

There's only one remaining chapter in this fascinating spectacle: negotiating the terms of Hillary's surrender. After which we will have six months of her stumping the country for Obama, denying with utter conviction Republican charges that he is the out-of-touch, latte-sipping elitist she warned Democrats against so urgently in the last, late leg of her doomed campaign. From the beginning, Hillary Clinton has campaigned as if the Democratic nomination were hers by divine right. That's why she is falling short -- and that's why she should be persuaded to quit now, rather than later, before her majestic sense of entitlement splits the party along racial lines.

Posted by: Shawn | May 12, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

My whole family were salt of the earth Republicans going back to the Goldwater-Johnson election. Jut about our entire clan will be voting Obama in the Fall. Don't worry about the sour Hillary Clinton supporters.

Posted by: Republicans for Obama 08! | May 12, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

The Rules & Bylaws Committee will meet May 31st to decide whether to seat the Florida and Michigan delegations at the party's August nominating convention, and how to apportion delegates to each candidate -- if either candidate disputes that ruling, then the Credentials Committee will made a decision -- if more than 20% vote in Hillary's favor, they get a Minority Report which will be the first order of business at the Convention.

If Democratic leaders agree to seat the Florida and Michigan delegations, they would indeed need 2,209 votes to become the Democratic Presidential candidate.

Asked Tuesday whether the "finish line" of the Democratic race was 2,025 or 2,209 delegates, Ms. Clinton didn't hesitate: "I think it's 2,209."

Posted by: JakeD | May 12, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

To those who are fooled into thinking that Obama will unify us. Guess what, he won't and he can't. If he and his supporters would stop accusing of us of being racist simply because we have supported a different candidate there could be hope of unity. But the more I hear from Obama and his Obamabots the more I am sadly convinced that I cannot support the Democratic nominee. I cannot support a man or party so willing to disenfranchise states representing more than 30 million people. I cannot support a candidate that is backed merely by elites while insisting those who don't support him are un-educated, racists, or are clinging to something. It's sad. I can actually recall late last summer being very interested in his campaign, amongst the others. Yet, the more I hear and see the more I am distanced from any such notions. So those of you wishing to end the nomination process to start uniting, don't hold your breath. A good many of us have no interest in uniting with you or your broken cause.

Posted by: Sean | May 12, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

jake
Delegates needed to win:
Obama 150
Clinton 327

Posted by: Joyce | May 12, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

"She and her supporters don't get it. If she wants the VP spot...just ask."

Offer it, like she did.

Posted by: F'Obama | May 12, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Enough Hillary:

Did I miss where Barack HUSSEIN Obama passed 2,209 delegates?

Posted by: JakeD | May 12, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

She and her supporters don't get it. If she wants the VP spot...just ask. Stop trying to weasel it. Everyone sees it except her and her blind followers. We do not want to fight with her or her supporters. We want one party but fact of the matter is...we won. Not trying to be boastful...just stating a fact that those of us who live in reality understand.

Posted by: Enough Hillary | May 12, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Joyce, she plans to drug them and take their money. She has a special batch of LSD she's been saving fro the final solution.

Posted by: Hitlery | May 12, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

xfactor211:

The only "saving grace" for him is that, this time, Rock the Vote may actually work ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 12, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

All you Obama supporters -- think you can do this on your own... well come November and we will see.

Posted by: numbnuts | May 12, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile.....according to the New York Observer....

"Hillary Clinton has begun to ask her influential backers to be in Washington on May 14 for a meeting at her home, according to a major fund-raiser. Separately, the fund-raiser said, Bill Clinton will be speaking with top donors this afternoon on a conference call."

What do you think? Is Hillary getting ready to bow out gracefully, or should those "influential backers" hold on to their wallets.

Posted by: Joyce | May 12, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

lonewolf, oregon:

She thinks she is running to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue (at least according to every campaign speech I've heard). You do realize that Barack HUSSEIN Obama does not have enough delegates to win the nomination outright either, correct?

Posted by: JakeD | May 12, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Obama will get beat handily by McCain. If the Obama supporters think Hillary has been hard on the man, just wait for the Republicans. The Democrats have to be the dumbest political party in history. It's like the 80's all over again.

This is a disaster waiting to happen.

Posted by: xfactor211 | May 12, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

and just exactly where does she think she is running to? if west virginia doesn.t end it, we here in oregon will. it's time for unity and she just doesn't get it. she is toast here in oregon and that is an undeniable fact. say goodbye hillary!

Posted by: lonewolf, oregon | May 12, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Earth to hillary and bill. "It's over-- Exit stage door right." The wisest course of action would be to count your millions and take a week off then come back and vote for Obama in November. But, no, the woman of a thousand faces will not go quietly into the night. On behlaf of all Republicans, we thanks you for ensuring we have President McCain taking the oath in January. Nice going, what a team player!

Posted by: djudge | May 12, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, you keep saying that. Apparently you prefer four more years of the last 8, which is why you keep this primary campaign going with your twisted and distorted math and the continuing bashing of Obama for the sake of what?"

Well, you have to give us something. This has been the closest Democratic primary in years. You would think that would warrant the VP. By not offering, Obama is showing himself as spineless and definitely not a unifier. Obama-freaks all claim to despise Hillary. Well we HRC supporters have come to truly dislike Obama. The 8 more years of McBush will be on your hands.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Aunt Minie:

The Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor (and then FDR invaded North Africe).

Posted by: JakeD | May 12, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

How about a reality-based President. One who doesn't keep repeating discredited ideas simply because it makes good sound bites and can distract voters from real solutions.

Hillary for Senate Majority Leader!

Posted by: thebob.bob | May 12, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Jake, he had an alcoholic parent, a dysfunctional family, had a cocaine problem and now he has been shown to frequent bars, not cool in my book. Seems to me we have had a string of adult children in Office for along time. I think the Country deserves better. And McCain, well, the Admiral died at sea.

Posted by: Mark W. | May 12, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I's heard the black man running against Hillary is a Moslem! Great goodly moogly! Weren't the moslems the ones who bombed Pearl Harbor?

Posted by: Aunt Minie | May 12, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Hillary go home with dignity but not as a dying goat with debts lololz

Posted by: edward, MN | May 12, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Jake...at least he admits to things...Can Hillary do that?

Posted by: No Jake No | May 12, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Jethro is yelping his mating call for cousin Hillary. He says, "you & me Hillary, like peas and carrots, like brother and sister, let's get on!"

Posted by: Gracie | May 12, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

For the record, Barack HUSSEIN Obama has denied smoking crack -- he admitted to cocaine use though -- we now return to your regularly scheduled pogrom ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 12, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Hillary, you gave it your best. There is no shame in stepping down and letting Obama move forward. In fact, you will be seen as a gracious individual.

Posted by: Tired of it all | May 12, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Anyone want to make any guesses why Clinton is still running?

I say it's either to save face, given her claims that she's "in it til there's a nominee" or...

Clinton Deadline Looms for Recouping $11 Million Personal Loan
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080512/pl_bloomberg/as5a58ks7ky8

Posted by: jencm | May 12, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Hillary can claim all the momentum she wants. Only if Obama is found to be smoking crack will she get the nomination at this point. All she can do is help McCain get elected.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

"You think you can win the election without us? Go for it."

Yes, you keep saying that. Apparently you prefer four more years of the last 8, which is why you keep this primary campaign going with your twisted and distorted math and the continuing bashing of Obama for the sake of what? Oh, maybe the Superdelegates will come around? Guess what - they are coming around. For Obama. And it's about time that Democrats get used to that idea and start supporting his candidacy unless you want John McWar and 4 more years of rape, murder and pillage.

BTW, you HRC supporters may want to tone down your rhetoric and race baiting as well - if you think you can win anything
without the black vote, and the vote of educated, slacker whites, think again.

Posted by: ShrillBillyary Supporters Need Better Meds | May 12, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Democrats in Iowa screwed up by voting for Kerry over Howard Dean when Rove and the Republicans feared Dean more, much more.

Hillary thinks she is more electable if she stoops down for Republican votes. It is clear Republicans fear Obama as a real threat. Who are you to believe: the whipped-dog Democrats who want to be like Bush/McCain or someone who has the guts to be a Democrat?

Conservatives are not nuts. They fear Democrats with guts, and sorry Democratic women, that is not Hillary, never has been.

Posted by: walden | May 12, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Only serious denial could keep her going the way she does.

Posted by: Jenni | May 12, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Clinton falsely promises her believers that the popular vote will make the difference, since the can't come up with the delegates. But as President Carter stated last week on "Larry King Live", the popular vote is "meaningless" in the primaries because Republicans could vote in many states. "ONLY delegates count", he reaffirmed.

Posted by: bodo | May 12, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

We have choices. We can vote for the aristrocratic party which dances the weekends away while the peons are forced to eat twinkies or the populus can uphold the basic American value of a Government by and for the People. I think the future has something to do with that "One nation under God" thing, not demagogues trying to fear the populist into submission.

Anyway, Obama is a noble kind of guy, I remember when I was the complete idealist too, lead to much dissapointment, like that Iraq thing. Teddy wants him to run with a fellow Noble. I am not sure if Obama is his own man or not. He is leaning too far towards McCain now if you were to ask me, that is crystal ball type of logic.

Posted by: Mark W. | May 12, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

This woman is delusional. It's not about her getting more votes, she can't win and she's harming the nation. Even the 2-headed monster agrees: This is hilarious:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqKuwel6CVg

Posted by: John Previn | May 12, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

We have choices. We can vote for the aristrocratic party which dances the weekends away while the peons are forced to eat twinkies or the populus can uphold the basic American value of a Government by and for the People. I think the future has something to do with that "One nation under God" thing, not demagogues trying to fear the populist into submission.

Anyway, Obama is a noble kind of guy, I remember when I was the complete idealist too, lead to much dissapointment, like that Iraq thing.

Posted by: Mark W. | May 12, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Yea, but, McCain brought up a tax holiday in the first place. His plan offered no offset. It's intriguing that the federalist McCain would not think about his own home state of Arizona when offering such a plan because Arizona would be just 1 of the 57 states of the union to lose federal highway funds when bridges are falling into rivers due to the effects of gravity.

And these economists are premising that we are operating in a free market economy when it comes to oil. There is plenty of evidence from Opec to the Texas Cattlemen's association that the oil industry is not operation according to free market principles.

Thirty bucks is not much granted, and without proper legislation, it may not trickle down to consumers. It could be a baby step in a process to break up a monopoly on domestic soil. Certain Legislators when flinching in a display of fear use the word, unpresidented ;:, when trying to maintain the status quo ? Certain things occuring during a time of war do have history.

Am just wondering if certain parties not caring about oil industry gaining mass liquid capital at home which is a defeat through economics in these new wars are not treasonous cowards themselves.

Posted by: Mark W. | May 12, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Here we are!@ Hillary is the candidate of the rednecks and Barack the candidate of the blacknecks. What a choice.

Posted by: candide | May 12, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Let it go all the way to Denver. America needs to re-learn what conventions are for: selecting programs, candidates, and platforms. That's the way it ought to be done, not by a bunch of pundits and pollsters. Politically speaking, the old days (pre-1988) were a lot more fun and entertaining, informative, too.

Posted by: chuffman1 | May 12, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Terry:

If she can win by 2/3 in each of the state's three congressional districts, she gets 4 district-level delegates per CD, for a total of 12 to his 6. With 2/3 of the vote, she will also get 5 at-large delegates to his 2 and 2 PLEOs to his 1. Thus she is likely to win 19 pledged delegates to his 9 for a net gain of 10 delegates. Of course, then she can claim MASSIVE momentum going into Kentucky and Oregon next week ...

Posted by: JakeD | May 12, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I hate to tell you people "I told you so" but the Mother's Day gambit was a "coming out" for what Hillary Clinton has been representing all along: Old fashioned "Momism". Keep the mothering for Hillary I thing the americaan voters are old enough to think for themselves. Another Hillary jewel was the quote from Mrs. Roosevelt, "a woman is like a tea-bag, she only reveals her strength once she gets into hot water." This bon mot unfortunately applies to a woman who has gotten into hot water once, in Hillaries case she's been dunked once to often.

Did I say anything about backing the wrong horse in the Kentucky Derby? No not me.

Chris whiter-than-white Brown

Posted by: Chris Brown | May 12, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

"How can Obama compete in West Virginia and Kentucky when she's running on a platform of amending the Constitution to allow for incestual marriage and promising free dental care to all voters?"

This kind of arrogant, condescending attitude is exactly what will lose Obama HRC supporters in the fall. You think you can win the election without us? Go for it.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 12, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Why the need to run so hard in a state she's so favored to win by a landslide? Doesn't she have family connections there?

Posted by: Terry | May 12, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Loon alert....

Posted by: Rob L. | May 12, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

How can Obama compete in West Virginia and Kentucky when she's running on a platform of amending the Constitution to allow for incestual marriage and promising free dental care to all voters?

Obama's campaign is smart to begin focusing on general election. Only Shrillary supporters are too delusional to see that this race is over. The math isn't there under any twisted Clinton metric, she is bankrupt, financially and morally, and the argument that she is the better candidate is simpy belied by the fact that she got her pantsuited buttisis kicked by a political novice, and ran a financially unsound and stupid campaign. Thank God ShrillBillary was exposed as a poor executive prior to that witch being sworn in.

Posted by: ShrillBillyary Supporters Need Better Meds | May 12, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Who is she really campaigning for at this point? People really think she's in it for them?

Hillary needs to move on and take her own gas tax holiday. I'd love to see what she could personally do with $30 in savings over the summer.

Don't get fooled again.

Posted by: DonJulio | May 12, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Do you think we really care what John Edwards thinks... A more ineffectual candidate did we see.... I say, keep going Hillary.... In the end you will prevail... If not this year, then 2012. By then, Obama will hopefully be occupying a jail cell in Levenworth when he's convicted of all his wrongoing in Illinois. And poor Michelle can on an on about how both he and she have been so poorly treated growing up and living in this country.

Posted by: LAMM01 | May 12, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

She's like Soliari at the end of Amadeus, a saint among the retarded and mentally deranged.

Posted by: Chief Two Dogs | May 12, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting that certain parties brought up nuclear power plants one week before elections in West Virginia. West Virginia is in fact a coal mining state. Just seems to me that talking about uranium reserves in Idaho or switching to a "clean" energy like nuclear power would be counter-product in an obvious mass migration to the Democratic Party.

News flash, nuclear waste is not clean. Nuclear waste is a huge problem. And a friend of mine passed to the other side claimed his cancer was caused by fishing in the shadow of Three Mile Island just before the crisis was announced to the public. Am, I a fear monger or a realist ?

Energy provided through coal in states like Pennsylvania or West Virginia has improved in effiency and bio friendliness throughout the years. In fact the United States burns clean coal. And once "slag" piles considered waste of coal mining are now be reprocessed in a unwasteful modality. In addition, coal energy is still cheaper than any other energy source out there for electricity right now. Certain utilities offer good long term investments with steady returns.

Since there seems to be a lack of competition within the oil industry, another local and available clean energy source, natural gas, seems to be behind the capitalization curve, why is that ?

Now speaking of adult children of alcoholics, I suppose that being raised around narcissitic dysfunctional parents can be a blessing or a curse. I suppose one could grow up to be selfish or through bad example one could grow up to be selfless. Consult your favorite shrink for the rest of the story but I think there is a tie in there to anger management and unresolved issues due to an absence of adult parents or no parents at all.

Exploit me, it's what I live for each day.

Posted by: Mark W. | May 12, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Keep on truckin' Hillary! We need your solutions!!! I hope the voters wake up before it's too late. We cannot afford someone who is so inexperienced as BHO running the nation. We've just had rookie GWB doing that, and look where that's gotten us!

Posted by: bjbprice | May 12, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

hillary is delusional- it really is scary how out of touch she is

Posted by: bob | May 12, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

She's $20 million in debt but claims she the best candidate for the Dems in a antional election. She is not only drinking booze, but must have dropped some LSD also. Those West Virginia backwoods moonshiners are her latest constituency. Go home Hillary, and pay your bills!

Posted by: Left Coast Mike | May 12, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Watch out people, apparently there is someone/thing messing with People's WaPo Accounts.

I have a link implicating "Adriene Najjar".

It could also be a Trojan slipped in my Anti-Virus could not remove.

As far as Hillary, too bad Dimocrats, you have been sold "Barry"-LOL! :-D

Posted by: RAT-The | May 12, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

With Edwards now publicly condemning her ongoing efforts, the end is at hand for Hillary. No more private comments; the get-HRC-out effort is very much a public theme.

http://www.political-buzz.com/

Posted by: matt | May 12, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

You wonder what will happen to West Virginia's tourist economy if they overwhelmingly support Hillary in their primary. She is the self proclaimed ambassador for ignorant, poor white Americans who hate black Americans. Sadly, she's proud of it. Perhaps the KKK will find it a tourist's haven.

Posted by: MikeMcNally | May 12, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Three new general election polls released today find Obama and Clinton very competitive in the Southern states of North Carolina and Virginia. Full roundup here: http://www.campaigndiaries.com/2008/05/southern-polls-north-carolina-and.html

Posted by: Dan | May 12, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

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